gravity of the situation. it s not necessarily he is going to try to rush his ruling on this. he said it is possible that it could go beyond september 6, which is when arraignment is. he says if he is not issued a ruling by then, mark meadows would have to basically show up for arraignment. he said the state proceedings can keep going in the meantime. from the fulton county side, the question is, what can the arraignments look like? one defendant has basically waived appearance, entered a not guilty plea. it s likely that we will see that from others to come. they would waive their appearance. we have been told at some point virtual appearances were on the table. they could come in person. a number of ways they could appear. there s a long runway between now and next wednesday. thank you very much, blayne. catherine, your reaction to mark meadows taking the stand for nearly five hours, actually. could that hurt that testimony hurt him later in this