cameras and with microphones in their hands, and they re hurting as well. people closer to it hurt, because this was something keeply wrong deeply wrong, this was something evil. let s not refer to this, please, in public as a tragedy. this was not a tragedy. this is a horrible murder of two little kids. let s not dress it up, let s not sanitize it. let s call it what it is. which is something deeply wrong, which is not a tragedy, which is something evil. jenna: well, we stand corrected. we called it a tragedy and the sheriff there makes an excellent point. dan spring ser live from the scene in grand washington. dan, what s the latest from there? well, jenna, alls will be performed, we also expect arson investigators on the scene, in the house behind me, they will be back to determine the exact origin and cause of the fire but they say this was no accident, this was planned, they re calling it a double murder and suicide. it all happened very quickly