today and something the president himself highlighted at the press conference. take a listen. >> i think a lot of his views are going to be shaped by his advisers, the people around him, which is why it's important to pay attention to these confirmation hearhearings. this is a job of such magnitude you can't do it by yourself. you are enormously reliant on a team. how you put a team together to make sure that they are getting you the best information and they are teeing up the options from which you will ultimately make decisions. that's probably the most useful advice, the most constructive advice i've been able to give him. >> personnel is policy, in other words. especially for a chief executive who for the first time in the history of this republic has zero experience in public service of any kind, not the government nor the military. with policy positions all over the map, even changing from one day to the next, it's nearly impossible to predict just what
trump will do as president. the only thing he's actually had to do so far is pick his top advisors and cabinet secretary nominees. on that score, the last two days of confirmation hearings have been an utter train wreck. on capitol hill today, trump's point man on health care, congressman tom price, was besieged by ethical and legal questions over stock trades he's made involving the medical industry while sitting on a committee that ovsees said industry. at one point, price was even caught directly contradicting an official fact sheet from the trump transition stating that price is, and i quote here, "financial adviser designed his portfolio and directed all trades in the account." >> i did it through a broker. i directed the broker to purchase the stock but i did it through a broker. >> you directed the broker to purchase particularly that stock? >> that's correct. >> yeah. >> now more on price's legal and ethical issues ahead. at his hearing today, epa nominee scoot pruitt faced tough questions from senator bernie
sanders over his stance on made made climate change. >> why is the climate changing? >> senator, in response to the co-2 issue, the epa administrator is constrained by statutes -- >> i'm asking your personal opinion. >> my personal opinion is immaterial to the job of -- >> really? you are going to be the head of the agency to protect the environment and your personal feelings about whether climate change is caused by human activity and carbon emissions is immaterial? >> more of that exchange with sanders coming up. both those hearings came after the shaky debut last night of trump's pick for education secretary, betsy devos, who showed little familiarity with some of the central tenets of education policy, including a landmark law called the individuals with disabilities education act. >> that's a federal civil rights law so do you stand by your statement a few minutes ago that it should be up to the states whether to follow it?
>> the law must be -- federal law must be followed where federal dollars are in play. >> so were you unaware what i just asked you about the it, that it was a federal law. >> i may have confused it. >> senator maggie hassan who you saw live joins me later in the show. we also learned in the course of the vetting process, two of trump's nominees discovered problems with household workers, the exact kind of issue that has disqualified cabinet picks in the past. trump'sominee for commerce secretary wilbur ross admitted he recently fired a long time employee who he found to be undocumented. employing undocumented workers was enough to thwart two of bill clinton's attorney general nominees in 1993, zoe baird and kimba wood. both withdrew. nick mulvaney just disclosed he failed to pay more than $15,000 in payroll taxes for a household employee. eight years ago a similar tax compliance issue derailed the nomination of tom daschle who had been the senate majority leader for secretary of health and human services.
but in 2017, republicans hold the majority in the senate and unless gop senators defect from their party, these are the people who will be running the government. i'm joined now by senator brian schatz, democrat from hawaii. senator, there are various opinions about how senators should take their role of advice and consent. there are some who believe the president should have constitutionally and as a matter of principle wide latitude in selecting the people in his administration. others were much more willing to vote no. where's your personal feeling on this? >> well, i think a president ought to have his or her cabinet. i think they ought to be able to assemble there team but there should be exceptions. to me those exceptions come with pruitt, betsy devos and time price. and the reason for all three of them i think not being qualified for these cabinet positions is that they are unique. they are being asked to lead agencies they want to dismantle. tom price wants to shred the social safety net it's not that
he wants to undo obamacare. he wants to block grant made cade. he didn't vote for the children's health insurance program. this is a person who made a career out of systematically dismantling the social safety net. you've been a hawk on climate for many, many years. scott pruitt is not qualified to lead the epa. there's never been a person even on the republican side, who wants to do such violence to the mission of the epa. >> are you as of now a no on all three? >> i'm a no on all three and those and betsy devos, oh, boy, that was a rough performance to watch i was talking to a friend of mine not in politics, that went viral all over the internet. millions and millions of views of a health education labor and pensions meeting. something is happening across the country and it's not late october of last year but now
where people are realizing that a lot of these nominees will do violence to the agencies they want to run. we have a nominee for the education department who basically will not commit to public education. who doesn't understand the law at its most basic level and won't commit to not privatizing public education. >> so you're a no on all those three. i remember hearing early reports democrats were going to choose one or two to focus their fire against. obviously civil rights groups feel very strongly about jeff sessions although it's his colleagues what will be voting. that will be a tough vote for democrats to win. there are also concerns about mnuchin. what i'm hearing is do you feel it is the temperature of the democratic caucus that opposition is not politically problematic for them? >> i think you're exactly right. i think wenderstand that we're the fighting 48. we are the leaders of the democratic party nationally and people expect us to fight.
they also expect us to allow a president to stand up a government so i anticipate this week secretary nominee mattis and secretary nominee kelly will likely get a vote later on this week or early next week. we want that national security team in place partly because we want rational sane adults in the room in case something happens right away where the new commander in chief has to deal with it. but there are a couple -- not just a couple probably three to six nominees that i think a lot of us are going to have an extremely hard time swallowing. >> so you just said you're the fighting 48. 48 being the key number there, the number of democrats. you need two or three votes, you need three votes to defect. do you have any sense that there's anything that any of these nominees could do or say, whether their performance in the hearing or what's turned up in vetting that would lose them those three votes? >> you know, i don't know the answer to that question but i know a lot of people have been noticing that many of the sort of mini scandals that have popped up in this issue with mr. price and a stock trade, less e
things have sunk greater nominees in the past so we're trying to figure out what is the new political calculation. is there nothing that would cause a republican to defy the president-elect? are there no circumstances where we're going to get any bipartisan cooperation from the republicans because it have private conversations with members of the gop on the senate side who tell me they're rational on climate but none of them have popped their head up and said they can't vote for a climate denier for the epa. we need profiles in courage. we don't need a dozen, we only need two or three in order to make a strong statement on one or several of these nominees. >> courage in the senate usually has to do with whether people are calling in as constituents or making themselves known as voters. senator brian schatz, thank you very much. appreciate it. >> thank you, chris. >> joining me now, katie packer and sam seder, host of the
majority report. katie, the standard is interesting. i remember the early days of clinton they came right out and they ran into a buzz saw with several nominees. tom daschle was an example of that for barack obama, though mostly smooth sailing. it occurs that in some ways that's perception and shame. a scandal is only big enough to blow up a nominee if that's how it's perceived to be but if you can lock down the votes you can basically confirm anyone. >> well, and the rules are just sort of different now, you know? it used to be when you had some scandals that the incumbent -- the president-elect and his team would hint that this is maybe time to step aside. trump doesn't really cow that easily. trump is standing by people that he has put into these poogss. some of these so-called scandals, are they scandals? tom price's stock trade netted him i think $300. is that something the american people will be so outraged over
as some of these senators are? . i don't know that the person public looks at the epa as the golden goose that many of the liberals on capitol hill view it as. what a lot of these democrats really object to is that these are republicans that actually are supporting republican ideals that are being nominated and they don't like it. of course they don't. but i don't know that they're scandals. >> i think we should make a distinction, right? in tom price's case, we'll talk about that, there's allegation of behavior that might violate the stock act. maybe it didn't but there's clarity that needs there which is distinct from the ideological case. do you agree with katie that this is -- look, anyone that a republican president nominated for epa democrats won't like what they'll do. anyone they nominate for education they're not going to like what they're going to do. how do you distinguish between normal and abnormal, basically? >> well, is it an appointment that attempts to nullify the existence of the agency? the senator made this paint.
you have pruitt whose job it has been to actually nullify the statutory authority of the epa. to litigate against it. >> so what? >> now he's going to be -- >> so what? republicans dot n'like these agencies. >> b that should be explicit. if the republicans don't like these agencies and they want to sell to the american public that the epa should not be the environmental protection agency but rather it should be the allow corporations to extract as much as they want they should say it. there's a reason why they're not. >> republicans have been saying that for years. >> if betsy devos wants to sell the ideology that they should use government money to simply fund parochial schools they should say it. she's incredibly evasive. >> that's not what betsy devos stood for at all. >> and she did not address all the questions that had to do -- that the senate was asking. so clearly they think it's a problem. >> that is not what betsy devos has stood for at all. >> but devos does favor
vouchers. >> she does favor vouchers. what betsy devos has stood for for the last several decades is allowing parents to have choice. not just rich parents who've had choice for forever but for all parents to have choice and what the democrats on that committee don't seem to understand is all these so-called qualified people that have served at the helm of the department of education have left generations of children in failing schools. they haven't fixed that with these experts. betsy devos is somebody that has a passion for those children and that's what she brings to the table. >> so you think passion is more important than expertise? >> i think betsy has a lot of expertise. >> you thought yesterday she manifested expertise at that hearing? >> i thought many of the questions that were being asked were designed to trip her up. they weren't designed to assess whether or not she was qualified for this job at all. >> so you think betsy devos is in the mainstream of -- there's
different kinds of ways of looking at these different nominees. nominees who are trump nominees and nominees who could have been, say, marco rubio nominees and what i hear from you as someone who is an anti-trumper but a die hard republican that betsy devos falls squarely to you within -- and scott pruitt and tom price, these are all basically your -- you're good with these as a republican nominee? >> yeah. i think that betsy falls squarely in that category and has the support of republicans not because she has contributed to those republicans, she knows those republicans and they know her and they know her background and they trust her. >> well, they know her a little bit because she's contributed to them. >> you know, the democrats want to make this about contributions and her wealth. >> betsy devos is on record as saying that she does not believe that christian philanthropy can fund christian education and she is looking for other sources. she is on record saying this.
she is on record saying she doesn't believe in public school, she believes in the concept of public education where you take public funding and fund private schools. and everyone knows -- >> she did not say she doesn't believe in public schools. that is false. that is false. >> she is just looking to drain money from the system and we know how this works out. subsidies for people living in poverty do not work in terms of providing them spa i private schools. bottom line. but trapping kids in failing schools works very, very well. >> she's not even attempting to fix the public schools. she's totally disregarding them and wants to undercut the entire system. >> that's not true. charter schools are public schools. charter schools are public schools. >> if that's her position she should be up front about it. >> let me intervene for a moment. to katie's point, it strikes me there's ways of undoing things statutorily and through administration so you could -- but republicans could, for instance, get rid of the department of education, they could get rid of the epa, they
won't do those things even if they don't believe in the current mission of it. i will say this. do you think there's a standard that people -- what should the standard be, katie, for you when you think about what is the standard that i would not as a senator vote for someone from my own party? we haven't even touched ben carson who an incredibly accomplished career as a neurosurgeon, i think everyone would agree. beby his own admission knows nothing about housing policy and his own spokesperson said he shouldn't run a federal agency because he doesn't know enough earlier. we're just sort of letting that one go because he's not a lightning rod in the way these ones we're talking about but that also seems to me like -- i don't know. what do you think of that? >> well i think the trump administration is in a very, very difficult place with both the liberals on capitol hill and with the media because if they bring in so-called experts that have been doing this for decades he's accused of not draining the swamp. if he brings in outsiders that
have different kinds of expertise and a different approach then he's accused of not bringing in people that know what they're doing. i do think there's some disagreement about what the approach to public education should be. the democrats are completely beholding to randy weingarten and the teachers unions and are never going to do anything that challenges that. betsy devos is a threat to them because she's going to challenge that. >> is that what education is about? a problem with teachers unions? she could not even answer -- >> it's certainly part of the problem. >> the most fundamental questions that faces educators today about growth versus -- >> proficiency. let me wrap this up with one little point in terms of behold on the randy weingarten, as someone who's interviewed her a lot, it was tremendous dissatisfaction with arne duncan across the board from teachers unions, an incredible civil war inn the democratic party. i wouldn't say it's lockstep. >> i'm sure it pales to how she
feels about betsy devos. >> on that we agree. katie packer, sam seder, thank you very much. up next, what we know about tom price's stock prides that are raising ethical questions. it's something that came up often in yet another confirmation hearing. >> did you take additional actions after that date to advance your plan to help the company that you now own stock in. >> i'm offended by the insinuation, senator. >> well, let me read what you did. you may be offended, but here's what you did. i can stay. i'm good. i won't be late hey mom. yeah. no kissing on the first date, alright? life doesn't always stick to a plan, but with our investment expertise we'll help you handle what's next. financial guidance while you're mastering life. from chase. so you can. opioid-induced constipation.
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to keep track of at this point so first it was discovered price received a sweetheart deal -- i'm using that term from kaiser's description of it -- from an australian biotech firm that allowed him and another congressman to buy that company stock at a discounted price. that's the deal senator murray asked him about in the clip we just played. that deal, while perhaps unseemly, does appear at first blush to be legal but a few days after that story broke, "time" magazine came out with another story about price, this one alleging he invested in six different pharmaceutical companies just weeks before introducing legislation that would have benefitted all six companies. something that looks a lot more like a potential violation of federal law but the biggest story about price, the one that alleged the most direct quid pro quo, or at least implied it, and the one that prompted an immediate response from the campaign was the discovery by cnn that on march 17, 2016, price purchased stock in a medical device company that scribes itself as the world leader in hip and knee
replacements. then less than a wee later price introduced legislation called the hip act which would have directly benefitted that same company. if price made that trade with direct knowledge of that, that he was going to introduce that legislation that would almost certainly have been illegal. remember, when price was asked by senator murray about the australian biotech firm he said he chose the stock. but when senator elizabeth warren asked him about the hip replacement company stock, the other deal, stock that would be illegal for him to knowingly purchase he says his broker acted entirely on her own without his knowledge. did you buy the stock and then did you introduce a bill that would be helpful to the company she just bought stock in? >> the stock was bought by a -- by a broker who was making those decisions. i wasn't making those decisions. >> so let's just be clear. this is not just a stockbroker someone you pay to handle the
paperwork this is someone who buys stock at your direction. this is someone who buys and sells the stock you want them to buy and sell. not tr >> not true. >> so when you found out -- >> that's not true, senator. >> so you decide not to tell them? wink wink nod nod and we're supposed to believe that. >> senator, do people care if he profited off this? what is your sense of why this should matter? >> well, i hope people care about this. obviously mr. price is responsible for his investments. these are investments that are personal and he's made several in the industry in which he serves on the committee that can affect the value of those companies. that in and of itself is the appearance of conflict but when we look at the fact that he may have gotten a special deal being able to buy some of the stock, the fact that he bought the stock and introduced legislation that could affect its value, that raises very serious ethical
issues and perhaps legal issues. the person who should be secretary of health should not have those types of ethical lapses. >> i have to say, senator, that part of the old cliche about the scandals what's legal has been illuminating to see what exactly you guys in congress are able to do within the law. for instance, buying preferred stock from a company at a place you regulate but the stock act was introduced to cut out the worst excesses after a big investigation. the trump folks are saying the cnn report is wrong, that it should be retracted and that representative price had no idea that stock was being purchased for that hip company when he was going to introduce legislation that benefitted them a week later do you believe congressman price? you're absolutely right about the stock act. it was passed in order to prevent these types of abuses. i think this should never have been done. a congressman should not be buying stock in a company and
introducing legislation that affects its value. a congressman should not be buying stock in a company he's on a committee that could affect its value and the congressman certainly should be sensitive to getting special considerations of buying into a company perhaps at a reduced price. no. there's two issues here. was it legal? that's an issue that i can not answer but certainly this is something that is -- raises very serious ethical challenges at a minimum and one that raises questions about dr. price. >> i ask if you would adhere to that same standard for yourself. >> absolutely. i have divested of any individual stocks because i don't want to be engaged in any second guessing. it's not just conflicts, i don't want to have the appearance of conflicts so yes i'm care to feel the type of investments i participate in and try to use generic type funds. so. >> so there's two allegations here, specific allegations and
then what has been established but not contested which is that as congressman with a key role in statutory oversight of the medical industry he was individually picking stocks in that industry at the same time he's voting for or drafting legislation that has a direct affect on the companies in that industry. >> and that presents a real challenge at a minimum you're going to have appearance of conflicts. you might have direct conflicts. you may have illegal action. it's something a congressman should avoid. >> senator cardin, thank you for your time tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. coming up, senator bernie sanders goes head to head with trump's epa pick. that'sight after this short break. trust me, you do not want to miss it. [burke] at farmers, we've seen almost everything, so we know how to cover almost anything. even a rodent ride-along. [dad] alright, buddy, don't forget anything!
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scientists officially declared 2016 the hottest year which knocks out the previous record of 2015 which knocked out the previous record of 2014 so it's notable that when oklahoma attorney general scott pruitt, climate change denier and trump's choice to head the epa senator bernie sanders tried to pin him down. >> do you believe that climate change is caused by the emission -- by carbon emissions by humanactivity? >> the climate is changing and human activity contributes to that in some manner. >> "in some manner" but you haven't told me why you think the climate is changing. >> senator, the job of the administrator is to carry out the statutes as passed by this body. >> why is the climate changing? >> senator? response to the co-2 issue, the epa administrator is constrained by statutes -- >> i'm asking you a personal opinion. >> my personal opinion is immaterial. >> really? >> senator, i've acknowledged to
you that human activity impacts the climate. >> impacts. >> yes. >> scientific community doesn't tell us it impacts they say it is the cause of climate change, we have to transform our energy system. do you believe we have to transform our energy system in order to protect the planet for future generations? >> i believe the epa has a very important role in regulating the emissions -- >> you didn't answer my question. >> senator, i believe the administrator has a very important role to perform in regulating co-2. >> it's kind of amazing. he won't say the thing he believes under oath in front of senators which if he doesn't believe it, he should say, i guess. but the prize for most staggering testimony may go to trump's nominee for secretary of education, and that as senator schatz said went kind of viral. we'll play that for you next. just like the people who own them, every business is different. but every one of those businesses will need legal help as they age and grow. whether it be help starting your business, vendor contracts or employment agreements. legalzoom's network of attorneys
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proficiency i would also correlate it to competency and mastery so that you -- each student is measured according to the advancement that they're making in each subject area. >> well, that's growth. that's not proficiency. so in other words the growth they're making is in growth, the proficiency is -- >> if they've reached -- >> an arbitrary standard. >> if they've reached a level -- proficiency is if they've reached, like, a third grade level for reading, et cetera. is that -- >> i'm talking about the debate between proficiency and growth. >> yes. >> and what your thoughts are on them. >> well, i was just asking to clarify, then -- >> well, this is a subject that is -- has been debated in the education community for years. >> that might have been the worst moment, except for some of the other exchanges when she would not commit to one of the most important pieces of federal education legislation, one which guarantees an education to children with disabilities. under repeated questioning from
senator tim kaine and senator maggie hassan. >> should all schools that receive -- >>f schools -- >> -- taxpayer fund being required to meet the requirements of the individuals with disabilities in education? >> i think that's a matter best left to the states. >> so some states might be good to kids with disabilities and other states might not so good and then what? people can just move around the country if they don't like how their kids are being treated? >> i think that's an issue that's best left to the states. >> i want to go back to the individuals with disabilities in education act. that's a federal civil rights law so do you stand by your statement a few minutes ago that it should be up to the states whether to follow it? >> the law must be followed -- federal law must be followed where federal dollars are in play. >> so were you unaware what i just asked you about the idea, that it was a federal law? >> i may have confused it. >> i do have to say, i'm concerned that you seem so unfamiliar with it. >> joining me now, senator maggie hassan of new hampshire,
member of the senate committee on health, education, labor and pensions. senator, what was your impression of what this nominee does and doesn't know about this fairly significant landmark piece of civil rights education. >> chris, it's nice to be with you tonight. you know, education and access to quality education for all our kids is really the foundation of our democracy. in my family, that includes making sure that both of my children, including making sure both of my children had access to quality education and our now adult son ben happens to have very severe and pervasive physical disabilities. ben doesn't speak, he can't use his fingers to access a keyboard but he's very cognitively able and because of the provisions of th i. i d.ea. the individuals with disabilities education act he had access in our community to learn and graduate from high
school. and that's the kind of opportunity we all want for all of our children. and before the i.d.ea. was passed, children like my son were often put in institutions where they didn't have access to education, people assumed or stereotyped them believing they couldn't learn and when you think about the importance of that civil rights law to children like my son and children around the country it was really concerning to me that ms. devos seemed so unfamiliar with it. and problems with the voucher system she has supported has had in honoring the i.d.e.a. >> what do you say to people that say that senate democrats on that committee are essentially playing gotcha. that you are trying to quiz her and go into obscure areas of policy in order to catch her.
>> there is nothing obscure to my family about the i.d.e.a. there is nothing obscure to most educators i know about the importance of educating all our children what i was trying to get at when i talked with ms. devos at the hearing was my concern about the fact that the voucher programs that she had supported made children with disabilities if they were to receive a voucher like kids without disabilities do it made those kids sign away their rights under the i.d.e.a. so i thought it was very important to get her perspective on why she thought that was okay and whether she would, as secretary of education, the country's top education officer charged with making sure that all of our kids have access to free, appropriate public education so that they can thrive and participate in the 21st century, be the work force we need.
i wanted to make sure she was committed to enforcing civil rights laws that protect all children so that they have access to education and i was very concerned that she seemed confused or unfamiliar with the fact the i.d.e.a. is a federal law she would be charged with enforcing and i think it's appropriate that we make sure that the country's top education officer really does understand the full obligations in the way our public education system works. i was very concerned she was so unfamiliar with such a basic thing and that goes to concerns a lot of us have that ms. devos does not have experience -- significant experience with public education, didn't go to public schools herself, her children don't, she's never been a teacher. so i just was very concerned. >> senator, are you going to vote for her? >> look, i'm going to wait t
get her written answers to all of the questio we've submitted but i think it's unlikely. >> senate orr maggie hassan, thank you very much, appreciate it. >> thank you. still to come, once he is president, could donald trump just stop any further investigation into russia's role in hacking during the election? we'll talk about that ahead. plus, tonight's thing 1 thing 2 starts right after this break. i use what's already inside me to reach my goals. so i liked when my doctor told me that i may reach my blood sugar and a1c goals by activating what's within me
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can't order the justice department to stop or start investigations. but, you know, that's not written in code anywhere. it's not written in rule. it's enforced because attorneys general and fbi directors have followed that standard and the one time when it wasn't in our history, during the middle of the watergate scandal when president nixon ordered the attorney general to stop an investigation it led to the resignation of the attorney general and the deputy attorney general and you have to hope that's what would happen here if president trump were to try something like that. >> you tweeted earlier today about doj ethics rules in terms of jeff sessions were he to be confirmed, whoever as attorney general, about whether they could be the one overseeing the investigation. what do the doj ethics rules say about that? >> they are very clear. there are rules about not investigating anything in which you were a member of in the previous two years but they're more specific when it relates to political campaigns and they say point blank if you were involved in a political campaign in an official position which jeff
sessions was, he was the chair of donald trump's national security advisory committee on the campaign, you cannot be involved in that investigation so that means if jeff sessions is going to follow the rules he has to recuse himself on day one, the day he joins. and he actually has an outstanding question on this matter from democratic senators who have asked him the answer to that and it's going to be telling what his response is and hopefully he provides that before confirmation. >> what about comey's role in all of this. you have been critical of the way he's conducted himself in terms of the clinton investigation. you felt he was way outside the norms and precedent. do you -- i guess fundamentally, do you have faith or trust in him that they -- that this -- if there is an investigation that they will pursue it doggedly and let the chips fall where they may? >> you know, i have fifaith in m comey to pursue this information, but why did he do this before the election?
now with him under investigation himself by the inspector general, i think it's very difficult for him to lead this investigation. i really think the thing needs to be taken out of the regular chain of command at the justice department. there needs to be a special counsel, a special set of fbi agents that have full authority to investigate this and go wherever the facts lead them. and, you know, not have to worry about -- >> is there precedent for that matthew? >> yeah, there is. there have been special counsels appointed, eric holder appointed several. in fact, general mukasey appointed several at the end of the bush administration. when there are serious political things that are tough for attorneys general to investigate, there's long standing precedent for doing this and the only way you can have a fair unquestioned investigation into this. >> matthew miller, thank you for being with me tonight. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> that's "all in" for this evening. the rachel maddow show starts right now. good evening, rachel. >> good evening, chris, thanks, my friend. >> you bet. thanks for staying with us
talked to his attorney general yet. >> that's right. >> reporter: i had a chance to catch up with kellyannec conway. i asked her whether or not the president views this decision as some sort of set back or defeat. she didn't exactly answer that question, but here's what she had to say. this is a defeat? do you see this as a setback? >> he sees it as the statute provides a president with great latitude and authority to protect the citizens and protect the nation's national security. this was not argued on the merits. now that we'll have an opportunity to argue on the merits, we look forward to doing that. i think his tweet was perfect when he said, we'll see you in court. there you go. some confidence being expressed by kellyanne conway at the white
house. not a lot new in terms of arguments being laid out by the white house in response to this, just the very tough talk that we're going to see you in court. that is not exactly going to win the day at the supreme court. i asked kellyanne conway, is this something you're now going to take to the supreme court. she didn't exactly answer that question either. i think the next legal steps for the white house are sort of up in the air at this point. i don't think they've gotten to that point in terms of where they go after what is a set back for the administration. >> do we expect the president to continue his line of attack, whether it's verbally or on twitter against particular judges as he continues to fight for this ban? >> reporter: you heard in that audio that we played earlier, that he sees this decision as
now, four months from now. but he has said on camera this decision poses a grave threat to the national security of the united states. so his option is very simple. withdraw the current order that is subject to the stay, write a new order with the help of his new attorney general, national security people, perhaps some legislators that will survive constitutional attack. explicitly eliminate green card holders. >> alan is exactly right. this is an option for donald trump to admit that he was wrong to file this executive order and say, i'm going to do better next time. alan, have you been paying attention for the past 20 days? do you think that's a possibility? >> we have a conflict between what the president says is the national security of the united states. i think we can pressure him into saying that in order to protect
the national security of the united states, he can't tolerate a situation where for the next months this case is in limbo and it's not being enforced. >> by doing that, isn't he acknowledging then that they rushed into this, it wasn't well thought out? he could decide to do that, you're absolutely right. but i guess the question is, is that probably? >> there's another way he can do it too. he can leave this order in effect, leave it subject to a stay. and then issue a new order that supplements the order. i'm now going to issue a new order and that order applies only to a, b, c. >> the reason i think that jeffrey is correct on this is if you look at donald trump's history, the president -- the last big piece of litigation he was involved with was his trump
university case. now, how did he respond to adverse rulings in that case? he attacked the judge, calling him a mexican. >> but he did ultimately settle. >> he ultimately settled the case, but his initial reaction is always aggressive fighting back, freigthreatening appeal. >> he said he hadn't talked to the attorney general. after >> one of the things that surprised me is that normally when the government loses a case, you get sort of a vanilla statement that says we respect the decision of the court, we're going to look at the decision and decide whether to appeal or not. but the response here was a twitter response. >> professor foley one of the main arguments from the department of justice was that the president's decisions about immigration when motivated by national security concerns are unreviewable. it says, quote, this is no precedent to support this claimed unreviewability.
>> look, i think that's fundamentally correct. i don't think that the president's decisions on national security are unreviewable. that's really not the argument that the administration is putting forward here. the argument instead is that under a supreme court precedent called youngstown, when the president acts with the explicit blessing of congress, which the president has done here, he is entitled to a presumption of constitutionality. when those two political branches are in agreement, the court should defer on the issue of national security. i do not see that the ninth circuit engaged in any such deference here. >> they did argue unreview to believe the this court. >> in a very half hearted way. >> they actually just seemed confused. the guy paused for a long period
of time when asked about this and said, yeah, it's unreviewable. clearly they were not impressed by that argument. >> and they shouldn't have been impressed by that argument. everyone agreed that the constitution would trump any statute or any presidential executive order taken pursuant to a statute. but i do want to remind the viewers, though, that this is a statute that congress has passed. that statute says that the president may suspend the entry of all or any class of aliens if he deems it appropriate in the national interest. so he does have the blessing of congress. this is not just the trump administration. this is congress also weighing in on this and blessing what the president has done, which is narrower than what the president could have done under the statute. so what we have here is a court that's being very aggressive and not giving the president and congress the deference that a court would normally give them.
>> well, you know, that's true. that is a part of what congress did. the other part of what congress did was say you cannot discriminate based on national origin which is part and parcel to what's going on here. remember what's really the case. the court did give extreme deference. they talk about it a great deal in the opinion that they were trying to defer and they recognize the president should deserve some deference. however that deference is contingent on there actually being a national security issue. the court was trying to resolve this very discreet point, please tell us why we should reinstate a ban and not go back to the pre-ban status quo where when he had vetting measures in place. tell us why you would be harmed, federal government, if we returned to the ban we had in place. to that, there was crick kets.
that said we're not going to do that. >> i think that's a critical issue here, which is that nationals that's a critical issue. they were the most intense vetting of any travelers to the united states, in particular those coming here as refugees and in particular those coming from sierra. the idea there was a need to do more than was being done in a substantial way is not actually supported. >> leon, from your expertise and past role as the director, how will this work moving forward going through the court system? it goes back to the way it was but that doesn't mean, to paraphrase donald trump, a bunch of bad people will rush in. it still means everybody has to go through the same process of applying for a visa, the vetting. >> take the example of syrians. if you look at the history of our adjudication of syrian refugee applicants, many have
been denied. during the process of looking at those cases we found bad information in law enforcement intelligence databases, we didn't find them credible during the course of interviews. that means there was a process in place that was working. there is always room for improvement but the fact is the process was substantially working before. >> secretary, the president said earlier tonight the court's decision was political. as has been pointed out, there was a carter appointee, a george w. bush appoint tee and one from president obama. is this political? >> as someone who has argued these issues in the country i see this as a weak decision. when you have a decision full of gaping holes you have to wonder where the judges are reaching without sufficient legal backing to get there.
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it wasn't on the constitutional merits of the executive order but they held up what the washington court had ruled on last friday. the president tweeted, "see you in court." we'll wait to see if there's more reaction from the white house. >> do you see this as a setback? >> he's seen it as the statute provides the president with great authority to protect the citizens and the nation's national security. this was not argued on the merits. now we'll have an opportunity to argue op the merits and look forward to that and prevailing. i think hi tweet was perfect saying "see you in court." >> professor dershowitz, before the break, robach said there were map issues including standing. assuming the president does not take your advice and issue
another executive order, goes to the supreme court, do you think the issue of standing is going to be primary? >> i do. and i think that the supreme court will not accept the lower court's rulings on standing. this is the most extreme extension of standing i've ever seen. it gives the state of washington standing to raise constitutional issues on behalf of a family in yemen who have never been to this country and are coming for a tourist visa. it's a stretch. also the establishment argument which would give standing because the establishment clause is limitation on government, it's hard to say there's an establishment of religion here because they picked seven terrorist nations that happened to be nations that are involved in islamic extreme terrorism and giving preference to religious minorities. the refugee act in 1944 gave
preference to jewish refugees being victimized by nazism. if it goes to the supreme court on the merits there's a substantial case the court will rule in favor of the trump administration at least insofar as it applies to people who have never been in the country. but it's a long time in coming. i don't think the supreme court will reverse this stay order but if they get to the case on the merits it will be a very close case. >> jeffrey toobin, the president tonight said this politics. how much does personality play into this? are they affected by the president of the united states tweeting about them or calling them out? >> many any journalism career i've devoted a lot of my life to figure out why judges do what they do and i've only had partial success. it is difficult to ask a judge why did you rule the way you did because they always say the same
thing. i wrote it down. that's why. the law forced me to rule the way i did. the fact is judges are human beings so it's not just the law. i don't think donald trump helped his cause by demeaning judge robart and calling him a so-called judge, saying all these judges are political. would this decision have come out a different way if he hadn't said those things? i doubt that too. at the margins i think judges are affected by the political context, by the emotional environment but, you know, the merits are the merits and i think these judges -- >> i tried a lot of cases and universally lawyers say don't insult the judge, don't become the judge's enemy because in truth in a close case an attack on a judge could be fatal to your cause. but here you have a unanimous decision by the court in a
strong opinion against the trump administration. i really don't -- i think the insults are a strategic mistake but -- >> i'm a trial lawyer too. i think at the end of the day facts matter. and i think what the court saw here is there are an intensive vetting process in place. there was no real showing by the administration how this step would in any way actually enhance our safety based on the steps that were being taken. the administration failed to make a factual record that showed at the end of the day they were going to protect us any more than the system in place. >> professor? >> you know, look, let's keep in mind that this has been procedural wrangling thus far. i agree with alan i've never seen any decision by any court that pushes the idea of third party standing this far. usually that's used for individuals who cannot for some pragmatic reason bring their own constitutional claims. that's not the case here.
those are affected, the students, faculty, scholars in the state of washington affected by this executive order were perfectly free and capable of bringing their own lawsuit should they have wisheded to do so so to extend standing to an institution like the state of washington is unprecedented not supported by supreme court precedent. i do think that would eventually be overturned. going back to the merits of this case, assume even strict scrutiny applies to this executive order because we believe there's some sort of national origin discrimination or discrimination based on religion, you would ask yourself first, is there a compelling government interest. that here is national security. that's been accepted as a compelling government interest for a very long time now. then you'd ask yourself about narrow tailoring. this executive order is narrowly tailored to the seven countries identified be i the previous administration and congress as po posing significant national
security risk to americans and limited in time. i think it would survive both prongs of strict scrutiny. the administration is in a very strong position on the merits. >> could i make a brief point on standing because lawyers love to talk about standing but moat people don't know what they're talking about. it's the right to bring a case in a united states courtroom. i think what has the surprised all the lawyers who have looked at this decision is that what the court said here is that the state of washington, because it brings students into its universities, brings customers into its restaurants, is the representative of virtually anybody across the world who's not an american citizen and it extend in some respects to the constitution nal rights of americans that -- >> professor dershowitz was raising the issue of why does a family in yemen who's never been to the united states -- >> exactly. why would they are have standing to appear in our federal court
and say the u.s. constitution protects their rights? >> laura? >> we're forgetting about a recent case where we assumed standing was not an issue. the texas dreamers case where the state of texas was acting in a similar way to the state of washington and its decision about whether to extend an executive order of president obama. we're all guessing to an extent because the supreme court did take that case, a 4-4 split, but we have no idea whether they were ultimately going to find standing. the thing about supreme court cases, even though the ninth circuit as found standing in this case, even the if the supreme court took this case, we can't presume they will also agree there is standing. that will be an argument they'll have to face. to say it's totally unprecedented is irresponsible. >> secretary, professor dershowitz raised the idea of a third option a that the president could do is start out with a new executive order and make it more focused and if that
went to the supreme court, if he got another ruling that is there an advantage for him to get a positive ruling at a lower court level before going to the supreme court? if he goes to the supreme court from this ruling from a ruling against him, does that in any way sort of prejudice the supreme court against the case? >> well, obviously, if it's a 4-4 decision it would not be sufficient to overturn -- >> it would go back on appeal. >> exactly. there's that disadvantage here. there is the point i made earlier, i think this is a poorly respectp earlier, i think this is a poorly respectoor ly reasoned opinion so it's a good candidate for appealing but on an eight-member court there's a problem. i would say the court barely scratched the surface on the facts at the district level and the ninth circuit level. there are many terrorists who have come in from somalia, the bowling green terrorists, those plotters were from iraq, so the
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fweeting, "see you in court." shortly after that the attorney general from washington state had this response. >> well, we have seen him in court twice and we're 2 for 2. that's number up with. -- number one. in my view the future of the constitution is at stake. >> jeffrey toobin is back with us. al lewis. kirsten powers. jeffrey lord. kayleigh mcenany. and dana bash. dana, in terms of the presidential reaction calling this a political decision, it was a unanimous decision including a judge appointed by president george w. bush. would it surprise you if the president continues to go after these judges? >> to go after them personally rather, yes, it would surprise me given the backlash that we have seen from everybody including his own nominee for
the supreme court. however, i'm told by a senior administration official that the backing that they say that they have for the allegation that this was a political decision is because of the fact that in this ruling the judges cite arguments that the washington state attorneys made talking about the fact that this is effectively just a part of the muslim ban that then candidate trump talked about on the campaign trail and that is they argue unconstitutional. now the judges didn't actually say they agreed with it but the fact that they referred to that argument a couple to-tiof times their ruling suggests to the people at the white house they say it is inherently political because they're reaching back to a political statement even though the justice department attorneys were arguing no, that's not what this is about, this is about national security. >> jeff toobin, does that make
it a political statement, in washington they were reaching back to things candidate trump said about a muslim ban or alleged comments to rudy giuliani? >> i think that ridiculous. the decision is the decision and the decision is by a bipartisan group of judges and the fact that they cited a statement by president trump, it is well established that the courts can look at motivations for law. it is not just the text of the law. courts can look at legislative history, at the statements of members of congress when they're reviewing a statute. that's something the courts have done for decades. the fact that a president -- a candidate and then a president has talked about a muslim ban, that is up with factor that is relevant. >> jeffrey lord, is it a political decision? >> sure. >> how? >> i think these people have political opinions -- i mean, i hate to say this, i was disillusioned of this when i
worked on about five supreme court nominations if for reagan white house. this is a highly political process. fact that roger towney tried to right slavery into the constitution was political because he was pro slavery. >> a judge in washington was appointed by george w. bush, one of thee jumgs -- >> when i bork eworked in the u states, i worked on appointments. they come through the senate, get a blue ship from the home state senators. the senators in washington are liberal democrats so they'll see to it whoever is appointed is fairly consistent with their point of view. >> i think it's fair to say there are judgments that are perspectives and it's entirely possible he has a -- the george bush appointed judge has a perspective. we don't know that. to say like jeffrey said intent is something you look at. that's a matter of law, something you consider. what donald trump said about
what he wanted to do is relevant. there's nothing political about it. then you look at the actual words in the executive order and that was -- the problem is the executive order on its face actually i think isn't providing a religious test that's unconstitutional but when you add in what donald trump said his intention was, that's where they run into trouble. >> they could have said, wait, here's what trump did, he designated these same seven countries president obama did as having an affiliation with terrorism and said based on these legitimate -- >> the white house, when we talked to the communications director last night, saying it was the republican controlled congress who identified these -- >> they allowed the white house department of homeland security to make a list. part was designated by congress, part by dhs. what president trump should do, he faces a hostile climate if he appeals this to the supreme court. there is zero chance you will
get ginsburg, sotomayor, breier to come on your side. don't appeal to the supreme court. you'll lose there. let it play out on the merits because i think they can win there. or as alan dershowitz suggested make the executive order more limited to appease the ninth circuit and let this go away. >> isn't that donald trump, president trump, having to admit this thing was rushed, wasn't well thought out and we made a mistake and -- >> partly. it should have never applied to legal permanent residents. they have a full panoply of constitutional rights. they should say we rushed this, we're amending it. appease the ninth circuit and the national security of the united states. >> one of the most fascinating parts of this are the countries they chose to single out and continue the place at the feet the obama administration. they rely on what happened on 9/11 but they fail to honor the fact 15 of the 19 attackers were from saudi arabia, not included in the executive order. two were from the united arab
emirates, not in the executive order. one from egypt, one from lebanon, not -- >> pakistan. >> it says in the second this is based on what happened on nine hef. that's another part we have to look at. >> in the decision, it's important to note, the ninth circuit said we have begged, basically begged the white house to make its kay, show us why it's so urgent to get this done and they have not come up with an explanation. they department go through country by country. they said why do you have to do this and the white house explanation, an overreach sort of saying our decision is unreviewable. you're not supposed to challenge us on anything. if we say terrorism andimmigrat courts are supposed to all fall away. the most important part of the decision is the court saying that's not the standard. >> how much does it hurt the
white house and start to occupy the time of the white house? this becomes obviously a huge deal for them until they come up with something else to change focus. >> no question. it already has. the fact of the matter is that this has taken up much of the octob oxygen of the first few weeks of the trump presidency and not in a positive way. certainly, the president and his aides who wrote this and said they thought they were doing this first and foremost to keep the campaign promise or at least part of one think that they did okay but even the president we know but not happy when he realized the way that this was fumbled big time in its -- the way it was written, executed, communicated, every way you're supposed to do something like this that is so ip credibly sensitive and knowing it is incredibly sensitive. >> isn't it about timing? there was an order along with
the opinion issued today where the court laid out how you appeal en banc. and the short version is the briefs won't even be in until the end of march if they go en banc. it gives you some idea of how long this will stretch out. >> we have to end it there. i'll talk to senator senator richard blumenthal about the heat he's taking from pump about neil gorsuch's rashes about the judiciary. known for its perfect storm of tiny bubbles,
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his fate and avoiding questions about president trump. this after senators from both parties say gorsuch told them in private he found the president's remarks criticizing the federal judge's lg a challenge to the immigration's immigration ban demoralizing and disheartening. attacks on the judiciary by the president to be disheartening and demoralizing. >> reporter: today meeting with a bipartisan group of senators to discuss the nomination to the high court, the president denying gorsuch ever criticized him. >> his comments were misrepresented. >> reporter: white house press secretary sean spicer went further insisting over and over that gorsuch was talking in general term and not direct recalling out the president. >> the judge is clear he was not commenting on any specific matter, right, and asked about
his general philosophy. he went out of his way to say i'm not commenting on a specific instance. >> reporter: that statement refuted by a spokesman and senate republican that met with the nominee and said they discussed the president's criticism. >> disheartening is a great world. the judge and i talked about that and frankly, he got pretty passion it about it. >> your answer about the context doesn't make sense when you think about what senator said this morning on tv. he said he asked judge gorsuch specifically about the president's so-called judge tweet and in response -- >> this is like the fourth time i've asked and answered. >> this is a different context. >> i understand that. >> reporter: connecticut senator richard blumenthal said gorsuch made it clear he wanted concerns shared. >> in fact, judge gorsuch specifically said you should feel free to mention what i said about these attacks being disheartening and demoralizing. >> reporter: still, he and other democrats want gorsuch to go further and publicly denounce
the president's comments. >> what he did does not show independence. it shows an ability to desire the appearance of independence without actually -- without actually asserting it. >> reporter: while republicans contend the episode demonstrates gorsuch's respect for judicial independence. >> what judge gorsuch is showing here is his independent character, the fact as a judge he's going to call them as he sees them. >> that was atheena jones reporting. >> i want to get your reaction to the decision of the ninth circuit court of appeals. >> this ruling may be narrow in scope but has very, very broad ramifications in ending the chaos and confusion that president's executive order unleashed. it's a real victory for the rule of law showing courts will not be bullied by threats and personal insults and my hope is
that it indicates where the courts will be going and sending the president a message. rip up this order. do not adopt bans based on religious tests or unconstitutional standards. >> today the white house press secretary sean spicer said that judge gorsuch was talking in general terms and not direct recalling out the president when he was speaking to you. so i want to ask you, was gorsuch talking in general terms? >> in disputably he was talking about president donald trump's attacks on the judiciary and i repeated several times that i was absolutely outraged by these attacks by the president of the united states and judge gorsuch responded that he found it disheartening and demoralizing. referring to those same attacks
but -- >> so were those that he found it demoralizing and disheartening? the it he was referring to you have no doubt was what you had -- the tweets, the comments by the president? >> not only i have no doubt but also his spokesperson that same day confirmed my interpretation. judge gorsuch's own spokesperson and at least three of my colleagues have heard the same thing from judge gorsuch and confirmed it, two of them publicly. so i think that president trump ought to listen to them and to his own white house staff who were at the meeting. >> just to be absolutely 100% clear, when sean spicer says and i quote the way senator blumenthal character riizes the he was talking about tweets, that's not what the judge said. you're saying he's flat out wrong? >> i'm saying what judge gorsuch said to me is that disheartening and demoralized were what he
found donald trump's attacks to be. and there is no doubt in my mind that he was referring to those attacks because i urged him and in fact, he must publicly condemn them, not behind closed doors in the privacy of my office and colleagues but publicly, clearly, directly. that's what he must do. >> you said -- you said that to him? >> absolutely. >> how did he respond? yesterday you said that, you know, he sort of didn't really answer. >> he declined to answer that question, and he declined to answer other questions, which i found very troubling. >> but i mean, he will be appearing on the hill in public hearings. you and others will have the opportunity to ask questions publicly. isn't that the venue for him to be able to talk about the president's tweets or to repeat what he said to you? >> it's another venue. and i will press him very aggressively for answers then and in the meantime but right
now, there is a special obligation for him to condemn publicly these attacks because the independents of the judiciary core principle of our democracy is at steak here and it's not at some point in the future that he can avoid the damage to the courts. it's right now. and he needs to demonstrate his independence, otherwise the american people will have justifiable doubts that he will be more than a rubber stamp for the trump administration. >> the president also brought up an incident from 2008 where you said you served in vietnam and hasn't actually serve in vietnam but served during vietnam. president trump this morning tweeted quote senator richard blumenthal who never fought in vietnam misrepresents what judge gorsuch told you. do you have any response to the president? >> this issue is not about me. it's far bigger than me, and far bigger than judge gorsuch's nomination. it's about the independence of the judiciary and donald trump's
attacks on it, which really are a disservice to the core principle of our do maemocracy, integrity and independence of the courts. >> thanks very much. >> thank you. a quick programming note to the breaking news on the travel ban court ruling, the messy truth van jones will not air tonight. instead, tomorrow at 9:00 p.m. bob ferguson and solicitor general, i'll talk to them live about their victory.
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during a news conference with italy's prime minister, a news conference heavy on world pressure points include north korea and iran. john roberts tonight. >> the summit was meant to be from the close ties between the two countries and their mutual cooperation to fight the scorch of terror. the need for which was underscored even as the two leaders were talking. >> terrorism and global hot spots were high on the agenda today as president trump met with italy's prime minister paolo gentiloni, learning of the shooting in paris as it was wrapping up. >> it looks like another terrorist attack. what can you say it, it never ends. we have to be strong and we have to be vigilant. >> the two leaders also spoke about north korea and iran, north korea issuing a new threat
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participate in military exercises with australia come at the aircraft carrier carl vinson are finally steaming for the sea of japan. today the president appeared to play down the imminence of military action, saying his talks two weeks ago with president xi jinping appeared to be bearing fruit. >> i can say from my standpoint, i like him very much, i respect and very much, and i think he is working very hard. many other things have happened, some very unusual moves have been made over the last two or three hours, and i really have confidence that the president will try very hard. we don't know whether or not they are able to do that, but i have absolute confidence that he will be trying very, very hard. >> in his press conference for the italian prime minister, the president also made it clear he remains highly skeptical of the iran nuclear deal despite the fact his secretary of state, rex tillerson, certified on tuesday that iran is living up to the terms of the joint comprehensive plan of action. >> do you have reason to believe
that they are cheating on the jcpoa? >> they are not living up to the spirit of the agreement, i can tell you that, and we're analyzing it very, very carefully and we'll have something to say about it in the not-too-distant future. but iran has not lived up to the spirit of the agreement. and they have to do that. they have to do that. >> the president and the prime minister reaffirmed their commitment to work together and through nato to fight terrorism at the islamic state. when asked if he saw a role for the u.s. and the deteriorating situation in libya, president trump indicated he sees a limit in global conflict. >> i do not see a role in libya. i think the united states right now has enough roles. i do see a role in getting rid of isis, we are very effective in that regard. >> the french president francois
hollande said he does believe it is a act of terror, and one of the finalists, francoix fillon, says he believes that campaigning should be paused. >> bret: i spoke with prime minister paolo gentiloni about his country's relations with the u.s. and the changing economic environment in europe. i started by asking him what he was hoping for from his meeting at the white house. >> well, first of all, to confirm the strength of our relation. the u.s. had a very, very strong relation, and we consider this the pillar of our foreign policy. and second, i hope to have a common view on how the meeting we are having insistently of the
g7 will be helpful for the major free world economies to go united in the world that we are facing, and i hope that we will renew the efforts, both of america and italy in the mediterranean region that for us is security, migration, and the fight against terrorism. acting together is very relevant for us. >> bret: it is such a fascinating time with so many issues pending. one of the biggest is brexit and great britain leaving the e.u. what does that mean to you? >> it is obviously a negative decision, but we respect the decision of the people. negative because it weakens, in
any case, the european union. britain was one of the four man counters of the club. i hope we will have a fair negotiation, and to have a fair negotiation, what is crucial is to maintain e.u. unity. we are not more together in the european union, but we remain friends and partners. >> bret: do you fear other countries will follow the u.k.'s lead? >> i don't think this is now the real situation in europe. well, you can never know. but we have had a lot of discussion in the previous weeks on the possibility in certain countries, and the netherlands, and austria, of prevailing
opposition anti-e.u., but i don't think that this possibility is real. >> bret: we have seen this rising nationalism, not only here, obviously with president trump's election, but brexit, the popularity of marine le pen. how strong do think this nationalism is, and you see it in italy? >> the fact that many countries are asking to defend their national interest is understandable. the fact that many countries are stressing the necessity to defend their own tradition, their own history, that is the vitality of our democracy. what is negative and could be even dangerous is when nationalism becomes another thing, an instrument to fight
your neighbor or other countries. unfortunately, we commit the europeans, are the master of this kind of danger because we provoked two world voice exactly for this reason. one nation against another. there are different degrees of nationalism. >> bret: how concerned are you about the migrant crisis in the mediterranean? >> it's one of the two main issues in europe know, one is migration, the other is growth, economy, jobs, investments. as far as migration is concerned, i think we need a couple of things. one, more countries available to share the burden. we can't accept the fact that geography decides the burden is to greece or italy or whoever.
second, we have to strengthen our action to defeat the network of smugglers and traffickers. this is not spontaneous movement. it is something organized by criminal networks. will this counter the phenomenon? no. we need developments to cancel the phenomenon. but you can reduce the flow. >> bret: your country about the u.s. to fight drones from sicily into libya to fight isis. how would he describe the relationship today? >> the support of the government with u.s. air action and with our logistics support has been
very effective, and now it is no more there. but if you have a failed state, a fragile government in this situation, there is always the risk of terrorism infiltrating and terrorist threats. so what we need is, having made some mistake in libya, we, the italians, the americans, the french, the u.k., we have to be honest in recognizing this. now we have a duty, even a moral duty to contribute to stabilize. it is still fragile. there is a government, but we have to enlarge spaces and to gather other forces around this
government. >> bret: it is a serious problem. you are the president of the g7. italy has always been, it seemed, open to russia, but considering russia's moves here in the u.s. prior to the elections, maybe other european nations as well, what would it take for russia to get to g8? is that a possibility? >> at the moment, no. what is, i think, not only possibility but a necessity is to maintain an involvement, an open door, a dialogue with russia. the idea of isolating russia, this is what history shows us, has always been counterproductive. who knows if, in the future, direct involvement. but it is not for the g7. >> bret: not this time around. >> for sure. >> bret: president trump has said he wants nato countries to
step up as far as how much they are contributing to nato. 2016 data had italy at about the 20th. is this a legitimate concern, and is it going to step up its contribution to nato. >> we respect the commitment that we took. we are on track gradually, because our economy is growing, but we would like to have it faster growing. you can name every single military operation of nato from the baltic to the balkans and you will see an italian strong presence. so this is something we are very proud of, and it is not an alternative to augment military expenditure with a rate that will be manageable for our economy and our growth. >> bret: it is legitimate for president trump to call for the
2% gdp? >> absolutely. it is legitimate, and it is legitimate for us to say that this engagement, we are there, we will it correctly. >> bret: just talked with middle eastern leaders who had spoken with president trump, and they were effusive about how the situation had changed from their point of view in the middle eas middle east. i'm wondering if there is a sense in europe about president trump. if you were to describe it, is it apprehension, is it opportunity? >> the europe and the u.s. are so strongly connected, the fact that you change the president cannot change the relation between europeans and americans. these are two of the pillars of our western democracy. nobody is interested to have bad
relations. and i think also the u.s. administration understands the importance of europe. it is not something of the second world war, it is something for now and for the future. >> bret: what keeps you up at night? >> [laughs] so many threats. but you have to sleep. [laughs] >> bret: mr. prime minister, we appreciate your time. >> grazie, thank you. >> bret: in the meantime, tens of thousands of people are gathering right now in caracas, venezuela, one day after nationwide demonstrations against the governments they are left three people dead and hundreds arrested. also today, the state department says it is looking into an almost 20-year-old lawsuit that led to the venezuelan government to seize a general motors factor viii this week. gm has about 2700 workers in that country.
it says the government's asset seizure is illegal. president trump's ambassador to the united nations is trying to shake things up there. senior correspondent rick leventhal tells us nikki haley has come to the world body with a unique agenda. speak at 7,929th meeting of the security council is called to order. >> every three months for the past 17 years, the united nations security council has matured is called an open debate on the middle east, focusing on the palestinian question and at school for an independent state alongside israel. critics say the meetings have traditionally been israeli-bashing sessions and accomplished little. if we are speaking honestly, we need to start with the chief culprit, iran and its partner militia, hezbollah. >> refocusing on state-sponsored terrorism, signaling out iran's support of hezbollah, which she
says is the far greater threat. >> where there is terror, where there is death, where there is complete disregard for human life, there is iran. >> iran continues to play a destabilizing role in the region. this is most clearly seen in syria. >> russia, a key iranian ally, was quick to change the subject. >> we would like to express our categorical disagreement with the attempt to tailor this to the domestic context and the focus. >> by blaming all others but the occupier, the u.s. seeks to erase the question rather than addressing it. >> saying hailey's determination could eventually being results. >> i think a cultural shift is underway, it takes persistence, and she is going to bring end.
>> the session lasted more than six hours, and they did extend per investor hailey's request, but there was nothing else remarkable about this meeting, and her tenure ends in ten days. bret? >> bret: rick leventhal. thank you. up next, hate crimes and what is called victimization chic. first, fox 4 in dallas as bernie sanders tries to fire up democrats in north texas, sanders held a rally in grand prairie about half between dallas and fort worth. the event is part of what is being called the come together and fight back to her. fox 11, the city declares a homeless shelter crisis, that enables organizations to operate without going through bureaucratic red tape. lastly saying there were 28,000 homeless people living inside
the city. and this is a live look at new york from our affiliate fox 5, smoking may soon be getting a lot more expensive for new yorkers. democratic mayor bill de blasio wants to raise the minimum price for a pack of cigarettes to $13 in the city. the current minimum is $10.50. de blasio possesses antismoking agenda could reduce the number of smokers in new york by 160,000 in the coming years. opponents say the city's high prices have already pushed many smokers into buying untaxed and unregulated cigarettes on the black market. that is 25 look from outside the beltway port "special report" pete will be right back so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day? aleve, live whole not part. tell you what, i'll give it to you for half off.
all the time in the news, hate crime, culture of hate. but what does it really mean and how many of those so-called crimes are real? doug mckelway looks into those questions tonight. >> last week, and indian-owned store in charlotte, north carolina, was set on fire and a racist note left behind that read "we need to get rid of muslims, indians, and all immigrants." it was signed "white america." this week, police arrested a african-american man after police showed him lighting the fire. the police does not track fake hate or false crime. >> there are a large number of cases, certainly dozens or hundreds of year, and have been for at least the past 30 years. >> the website vacatecrimes vacatecrimes.org tracks them, expelling a jewish man is the primary suspect in hundreds
of bomb threats, in january, a black waitress in virginia claimed a customer wrote on the receipt, "great service, don't tip black people." >> shocked, very shocked. >> the customer maintained that it was written by the waitress who was upset over her one cent tip for bad service. and a muslim woman who claims that three men attacked her and tried to pull off her key job was accused of the campus focused on micro-aggressions and safe spaces is the perfect incubator to fake hate crimes. >> this isn't just my opinion. this is apparently widely recognized them. i would say 80% of events that occur on the campus are hoaxes or pranks. >> they believe that vacate makes up only a tiny fraction of the real thing. >> we have tracked a spike in
hate crimes since particularly the election. so in the week after the election we tracked 111 separate incidents. >> there was a time at which the institutions that dominated and provided that social control were the church and involve and educational systems, and i think that has shifted, and this results in the dumbing down of the consumer. >> one example, when a youtube hoax or pulled this prank. >> we spoke a different language on the plane and now we're getting kicked out. >> that's insane. >> it was picked up as potential evidence of a hate crime. >> vacate crimes, despite their huge drain on police resources, are usually classified as misdemeanors. some say elevating them to felony status would go a long way to ending them.
>> bret: a key mortgage interest rate has fallen to its lowest level in five months. freddie mac says the rate on the 30-year fixed home loan stands at 3.97% tonight, a drop from four and eight hundredths last week. the dow up 174, s&p 50018, nasdaq 54. u.s. markets to u.s. politics, saying former president obama is to blame for the party's recent electoral failures. dnc chair keith ellison made the comment yesterday in minnesota. >> barack obama could have been a better party leader, and i think that the fact that he wasn't has put his legacy in jeopardy. we lost a lot of statehouse seats, secretary of state, his true legacy is in danger, and i think that he can't say that he wasn't part of those losses.
who else >> bret: ellison's representatives say he was talking about reality and not trying to be overly critical. turnover on the supreme court and sometimes impede correspondent peter doocy is here to tell us what the prospects are and what he is hearing. do we know who might be the next justice to retire? >> bret, we have a short list of who the short timers may be. >> it is just a very general rumor for the last six months around washington, d.c., and i assume it is somebody that is in their late 70s or early 80s, and there is probably three people that fall into that category. it could be any one of those three. it could be somebody else. >> the three being alluded to there are liberal justices ruth bader ginsburg and stephen breyer and then the
independent-thinking justice anthony kennedy who support justice gorsuch in after serving as his mentor. if president trump was to replace any of them with the reliably conservative justice, it could solidify the currently shaky majority, saying they think they will pick a nominee from the list candidate trump circulated during the campaign, a list that still has 20 well-known conservatives judges on it. less pressure for a moderate because as long as republicans control the senate, they benefit from that nuclear option used a few weeks ago and that they can confirm someone with just 51 votes and they still have got 52 on their side, bret. >> bret: a lot of talk about movement on health care. >> we know they have been using recess to try to find middle ground on a deal, but a freedom
caucus spokesperson tells me it would get rid of insurance regulations while protecting people with pre-existing conditions. even though a senior g.o.p. aide cautions me there is still no text yet, no way to know how close a vote is, president trump now says he hopes it is next week. >> we have a good chance of getting it soon. i'd like to say next week. but i believe we will get it, whether it's next week or shortly thereafter. >> the president is also hopeful they will vote for the change. >> bret: family members after government held prisoner in iran are pleading with the trumpet administration tonight to do something, anything. correspondent rich edson has that story from the state department. >> these men's families are putting their trust in a tweet. iran sentence circle meant to
ten years in prison. iran says they spied for the united states. in october, then heaven candidate trump tweeted, "iran has done it again, taking two of our people and asking for a fortune for their release. another family wants president trump to follow through. >> every day i wake up, and i wonder if today is the day that i'm going to get any bad news. >> he is a businessman and scholar. his attorney says he was the only american excluded from a prison release following the iran nuclear deal. instead, in february 2016, iran arrested his 80-year-old father, a former representative of unicef. >> president obama failed to secure the release of siamak
namazi. >> like the previous administration, trump officials have raised their case. >> we have joined recent calls for the immediate release of all u.s. citizens unjustly detained or missing in iran. >> this is an important step forward but it needs to be followed up by immediate and aggressive action. >> and the namazis state the situation is becoming more urgent as baquer is ill. >> if we do not secure their release very soon, i will not see my father, i will not see siamak, my brother. >> the iran nuclear deal, saying it now involves all aspects of iran's behavior including missile tests, promoting terrorism, and imprisoning americans. bret? >> bret: >> bret: rich edson ate state department. last night we told you about the case of former cia officer
sabrina de sousa and her ordeal after she was convicted in absentia. after the kidnapping of cleric abu omar. de sousa says her sentence was reduced but she may have to go and testify. today, i asked the italian prime minister about de sousa's fate. >> the decision has already been taken by the president of the republic who reduced to condemnation, and this created the possibility for this former agent to go back to the u.s. there is no search from italian authorities at all and no call from the italian parliamentary bodies. >> you think it is pretty much wrapped up? >> yeah. >> de sousa said lawyers said that she has emails asking her to appear before a committee, and since a report last night,
de sousa's attorneys said they had been contacted by the white house and a senior state department official is being assigned to her case. de sousa's attorneys says no long from the italian government has contacted them to indicate there has been a change in her status or that she is no longer required to do community service or testify. we will follow up. the nation's top law-enforcement officer has has a message to people who want to enter the u.s. illegally. now welcome jeff sessions and john kelly, in el paso, texas, today, observing southern border operations. >> for those who still seek to violate our laws and enter the country illegally, let me be very clear. don't come. please don't come. when you are caught, you will be detained, adjudicated, and deported. >> bret: tonight come up we are learning more details about the alleged deportation of an illegal immigrant who came to the u.s. as a child.
correspondent william la jeunesse is in tonight. >> we are going to have an immigration system that works. >> as a candidate, donald trump promised to deport so-called dreamers. that has yet to happen. >> we had a deal with daca. >> juan manuel montes said he was having a hunch with a friend near the border when he was accosted by a porta patrol agent. unable to find his daca i.d., montes says he was deported, it claimed the administration denies, claiming "there are no records to support montes' claim." instead, officials say montes was already in mexico when they caught him a day later trying to sneak into the u.s. by climbing over a fence. >> dock and relays are not being targeted. i don't know why this individual was picked up. >> saying montes did have a
legitimate docket status but by going to mexico, he lost his protection. >> when our agents on the frontline encounter people, they are going to enforce the laws on the books. >> critics jumped on the montes story for what they consider trumps inhumane policy. calling it disturbing, alarming, senate minority leader nancy pelosi. montes' lawyers hope to prove he did not leave the u.s. voluntarily. >> i bet there is plenty of surveillance video we going to see if he crossed or did not cross. >> stick with the judge hearinge lawsuit also handled the trump university case. >> at the time, they claim to indiana-born curiel couldn't be fair. as for montes, now living in mexico waiting to out outcome of his case as of 750 70,750,000 r docket recipients. >> bret: president trump talks paris terror, iran news, and
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saying the relationship is close and saying the chinese president is moving things when it comes to north korea. >> i really have confidence that the president will try very hard. we don't know whether or not they are able to do that, but i have absolute confidence that he will be trying very, very hard. and one of the reasons that we are talking about trade deals and we're talking about all of the different things, but we are slowing up a little bit. i actually told him, i said, you'll make a much better deal on trade if you get rid of this menace or do something about the menace of north korea. because that is what it is. it is a menace right now. >> bret: foreign policy and that news conference today, also, my interview with italy's prime minister, stephen hayes, mollie hemingway, charles lane, and jason riley, and had an institute senior fellow. jason, i'll start with you. your thoughts on the iran nuclear part and north korea
first? >> i have seen some mixed messages. you have met us -- i'm sorry, secretary of state rex tillerson saying it looks like he may be n might be following the letter of divide here. you have trump saying but they are violating the spirit of the law. yesterday, sean spicer told martha maccallum, we are still reviewing end, we haven't reached a conclusion. i think we want to see the administration get on board in terms of how they're going to handle it. what we do know is, if they don't, the future is north korea. and we see what a menace north korea has become because they have a weapon. we cannot let iran get to that point. >> bret: charles? >> the president says they are violating the spirit, but they don't say exactly how they are violating the spirit. and he understands he ran against it and the deal has all kinds of shortcomings and
defects, but he doesn't have an alternative. in the meantime, if they are living up to the letter of it, means they are a little under control. far more imminent problem is this ballistic missile/nuclear thing that is happening. i thought it was remarkable the degree to which he seemed to be leaning on, counting on his new best friend, the president of china to fix this thing for him. the chinese have failed to deliver on that score many times in the past. >> bret: does seem like he references frequently that meeting ingmar lago. >> interesting that so many pendants seem interested on russia, not that those aren't
focusing their attention there, and he seems to be optimistic. >> bret: steve? >> i think jason's point about iran is right. we are hearing next messages. i think there is a reason for it. the reason is, iran got the goods, got the rewards early, and now it is about compliance. so if the administration tears up the deal, iran has already gotten much of what it took to get it to sign the deal. the united states and people who keep iran from getting a nuclear weapon now want to test the compliance. to broaden the picture, the administration has changed the way it is talking about the threat from iran. the obama administration had chosen this deliberate policy, the decoupling from everything else iran does. you heard in rex tillerson's comments yesterday, you heard from other people in the administration, that is over. that is not happening anymore. going to take on iran, looking at the nuclear weapon, looking
at the terrorism, but it is doing in the region. >> bret: the question is, can you do that, keep the deal, but with the pressure on the other elements, funding table rests? >> it is tough, as steve said. we are not negotiating it from a position of strength, trump isn't right now, because they have the goods, including a lot of hard cash, actually. it is difficult. we'll see. trump is keeping us guessing, probably keeping the iranians guessing too. to follow up on charles' point about north korea, yes, leaning on china to do this is incredible. and explicitly holding out better trade deals. i told them, if they want better
terms, wanted more and better trade agreements, you take care of north korea. it is pretty explicit. >> bret: president trump with "the art of the deal." this is an interesting dynamic between the italian prime minister and the president on the issue of libya. >> we need countries like egypt and tunisia that are close to the ap. we need a stable and unified, and divided in conflict would make stabilityworse. the u.s.'s job -- u.s. role, sorry, in this is very critical. >> i do not see a role in libya. i think the united states right now has enough roles. we are in a role everywhere. >> that was the old 2016
candidate trump. we are overstretched come up with been wasting all of our resources on these pores in the middle east, libya was a disaster that give us benghazi and all the best. i'm not sure the italian prime minister was really prepared when he said what he said to run into the 2016 edition of president trump. that was a flash of something yet you been trying to play down recently when he is talking in a more friendly way about nato and the commitments overseas. kind of a stunner. >> bret: mollie? >> i think they might've been responding to slightly different questions where the italian p.m. is wanting to emphasize the importance of coalition building and president trump that we don't want to get too involved in foreign agencies. >> bret: i will sit at the italian prime minister does think that the europe, u.s., italy made a mistake in libya ad has a responsibility. he said in the interview with me, a moral responsibility to help the government to get on
its feet. that is a role. >> wanting to point out that the larger needle role, the larger issue of nato alliances is but it's really interesting from ths discussion. so many members of nato talking about, again, threats from russia and whatnot but not having the budgets that indicate that they are taking those threats seriously or having their military resources allocated in a way that understands those threats. these are the types of discussions that are helpful and good to see. >> also very complicated when you heard president trump say the u.s. has no role in libya, moments later, a leading role in inviting hezbollah. libya, you fight isis, you fight in libya, not to mention al qaeda. hard to imagine winning a war that the president has said that he wants to win without some u.s. role in libya. >> bret: more with the panel about that a news conference, health care, and what lies ahead next week in congress. just ahead.
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health care expecting to move forward next week. indications that the house speaker are saying that it is difficult but we are close. >> at the white house had been talking about having something very soon. this week, we see house leaders temper these expectations and state may take a little bit longer. certainly, conversations are going well. most interesting, the freedom caucus, which is blamed for the failure of the first bill, somewhat unfairly, as shown itself to be quite open to negotiations and the moderates are the ones who are a little bit intractable. >> bret: where is the hinge point? do we know? what gets across the finish line? >> one of the issues is the question of the essential health benefits. this package, under the existing obamacare, has to be in every one of the plans and the exchange. will there be any wiggle room on that? related, the question of supplying the government subsidy to the lower income people who are trying to get money on the exchanges. the republicans in the congress actually have a lawsuit, as i
understand, going against it because the funds have not been appropriated. that is the kind of money that trump is holding over the heads of the democrats to get them to somehow come in on this. >> two things. one, we haven't seen legislative language, which we usually see before. >> bret: apparently, there is a conference on saturday. >> on the other hand, i think trump is very desperate, frankly, for a big legislative victory in his first 100 days. i think his supporters are very desperate for a big legislative victory. i think he is eager to sign something. i wouldn't put it -- i don't think it's impossible that something will get done. i think trump -- republicans control capital held, they control the white house. his supporters want to see something other than executive order signed. >> bret: the other thing is a government shutdown. what will happen to fund the government? you have the issue of the border wall, funding for the border wall, whether that will be a sticking point.
funding for obamacare subsidies. there are threats by democrats of putting something that says president trump has to show his tax returns by july 1st. all kinds of things could happen next week before we get to the end of the week. >> landmines all over the place. i think next week is likely to be a very heavy "newsweek," unlike what we have seen recently. [laughs] going back briefly to the health care debate, one of the most interesting proposals came from two members of the freedom, how's freedom caucus. $50 billion risksharing fund that has the enthusiastic support of some other freedom caucus members, who are opposed to what was happening before. it's backed by house republican leadership and the question remains how do moderates react to this and are they willing to continue to negotiate. >> bret: the question is, does he get it done? >> i think he does. the desperation is what makes it most dangerous. getting it done right is the most important thing.
not getting it on speedily. everyone wants to get it done. >> just to remind everyone, passing through the senate before it can be called a legislative victory. what we are talking about here is getting something through the house and claiming a victory on that. it's far from clear to me that whatever the house ends up producing is something that will remotely resemble the final law, if any, that they produce. >> bret: in the meantime, the big enchilada when you talk to ceos is tax reform. you have leader saying it will happen this year. [laughter] >> when you talk about landmines, every line of the tax code has ten lobbyists there to defend it. i don't see that happening. i just don't. i don't see it happening. >> bret: on that optimistic note, we will end here. thank you, panel. tea party, one little girl will never forget.
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protect trump from a special prosecutor. >> that's right. he blames him for two things number one, the president is a combatant. he likes people who fight. so he doesn't like that instead of fighting, sessions recused himself. but he believes initial step what set in motion the process that led to special counsel robert mueller who is causing tremendous headaches for the president and his family. >> his understanding of the role of the attorney generalship. can you square that what most people think an attorney general should be today? man or woman since at least janet reno, they're seen as the country's attorney general, not the president's personal lawyer. >> that's right. there have been people very close to them as the attorney general, like kennedy. >> or bobby kennedy. >> he would be the prime example but that's not what we think of. we don't think of the attorney general being the president's lawyer. we think of him being the lawyer
for the country. in a way that's very important institutionally. it is interesting that jeff sessions, democrats are not big fans of jeff sessions when he was named attorney general bust now he is seen by democrats as someone who is standing up for the institution. >> why doesn't somebody tell trump that? that attorney generals are a bit independent. they're almost part of court system sflflt if you're a business leader maybe, your chief lawyer, chief counsel, is watching your back. that's his number one client. but for the attorney general, the president is not in fact his number one client. >> well, trump got it wrong. today trump seemed the dismiss session's early endorsement of his candaidacace yiflt he said t to alabama. i had 40,000 people. he was a senator from alabama. i won this state by a lot. massive numbers. a lot of the states i won by were massive numbers.
what they shared as an agenda. >> everybody assumes these guys have 50 options. he is an attorney, he's been elected a number of times tooflt conservative for my blood but i think he fits right in with that state down there. does he have a home to go home to? can he go home again? >> i'm sure he does have a number of options but i think what is disconcerting to him, he gave up a safe senate seat. a seat he held for 20 years to sort of serve a lifelong dream. and six months in, he is being publicly and scathingly trashed by the president for doing what many people think was the appropriate thing to do in recusing himself. this was one thing. no matter where he ends up, he's been deeply humiliated. this is one reason the trump white house is having trouble attracting top talent to go in. >> so he may get the kennedys encouraging award.
there are multiple reports of frustration among trump's entire cabinet. eric ericson quoted one unnamed secretary criticized. if he can get treated that way, what about the rest of us? that's how people think in the real world. meanwhile, reuters reports foreign policy officials are saying, secretary of state he rex tillerson have told him he'll be lucky to last a year. h.r. mcmaster was frustrated by what he sees as disorganization and indiscipline on key policy issues in the white house. you write the big stories. in all seriousness, is there the rest saying, if he can swing it. he's a close pal of the president's. >> look at the chief of staff.
reince priebus. >> the level of instability and possible disruption is extraordinary. two of the top ranking cabinet officials, tillerson and sessions, in some turmoil. the national security adviser, people who have given the administration the credibility that it craved at the beginning with some of these big names are now thinking about leaving. it affects the relationship we senators. he wasn't like the most popular senator but he was a respected senator, to then be treated this way. >> he is treating him like spicer. >> this is lbj stuff. the newly installed communications director is looking to shake up his staff. he is exercising a broad mandate for the president he and intends to follow up on threats he to
purge aides he believes are disloyal to trump and leake to the presses. his answer, i'll going to fire everybody. you're going to stop leaking or i'll be fired. i have the authority to do just that. one communications staffer has resigned. it is not exactly clear what led to that resignation. finish up here, what is the mood? if you talk to the confidantes, do they breathe a sense that they're not really intimates of the president? they're not his men and women? or are they still loyal for the appointment itself? >> because of all the tensions, the confidantes of some cabinet secretaries who i've spoken to say their whole m.o., their approach is to keep their distance right now from the president. be an ally.
support his policies. if they don't have a deep personal relationship with him, they're in protection mode in their agencies trying to weather the storm. >> what about the cab complete the? the whole feeling? do they feel like he is not loyal downward? >> i think they feel he that. i think some of them have a longer leash. for example, ambassador haley has been able to be out in front of the president. they represent the president but oftentimes, they're overseas, they're trying their best to represent the administration. something the president does or says or tweets undercuts them in the eyes of the world. >> you can see a few others that have been described. thank you very much. coming up, trump lets sessions
twist in the hill. we'll talk to a key member of congress who was in that meeting with kushner behind close he had doors, coming up, plus, john mccain returns, the first step toward taking health care away from americans. something president trump the republicans are now close to doing. they're not going to get it done. in the president's speech last night, did the boy scouts once again control the political convention? he used the scouts as a studio audience for a political speech and tonight he'll be at it again, ripping his political points in a campaign style speech in ohio. he is using every, he is using he have audience. he let's see, there are the wildcats 'til we die weekenders.
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nbc reports a source close to manafort says he turned over to the senate committee the notes that he took during the 2016 trump tower meeting. that's important. he took notes. the other guy jared kushner thought wasn't very important. manafort thought it was and he forwarded the e-mails proposing the meeting which indicated the russian government was supporting donald trump. by the way, jared got that same e-mail. despite that, he repeatedly dismissed cell lynn meddling as a talking point. >> are there any ties between mr. trump, you or your campaign, and putin and his campaign? >> no. there are not. it is absurd. there's no basis to it. >> let's go back to this issue of russia and hacking. can you tell us what you know about the relationship and what donald trump believes? >> we have no relationship. this is an absurd attempt by the clinton campaign to try to get
the focus off what the real issue is. >> they're pretty desperate pretty quickly is all i have to say. it is a far reach. >> that was a joke but today it is not a joke. >> i'm joined by walk 18 castro who was at that meeting. also, in the white house, from rhode island, on the senate judiciary committee. i want to start with the congressman. i know the rules are what they are. was he help. >> is he just left guard up to the teeth and was so careful, you couldn't even read anything new on what he had to say? >> no. he was helpful. he stayed for an extra hour to speak with the committee. so he didn't answer, or couldn't answer every question that we asked him but he had a demeanor that was forthcoming. we have more questions to ask of him so i know once we have a chance to go through transcript of this interview, hopefully he'll come back for another
interview. >> where are you on the estimate of this guy? is he the freddo character, from the godfae dsgodfather, not too sophisticated, or is he worth the portfolio, everything you can imagine being responsible for, and yet they're trying to say, he's not too sophisticated chflt is it? sophisticated or not? >> i think the jury is still out on that. >> how about you as a jury member? as a juror? >> i will say. this two things are clear to me. first, that the president puts a lot of trust on jared kushner. perhaps more than anyone else in his immediate family. and also, that jared kushner very much wants to protect the president. those two things based on what i heard stood out for me. >> how many times did abby lowell stop him from answering a question? >> they were pretty forthcoming.
as in any deposition situation you're in. stopping a question. it seemed to me they tried to answer the questions. you said there were some questions he couldn't answer. what did you mean? >> as with any witness, there are things that other people may have knowledge of, that the person doesn't have first hand or direct knowledge of. so can't speak to. but that's part of an investigation. you're not going on get the full story from any single witness, which is why this investigation and this witness list is extensive. it is like putting a puzzle together. >> can you imagine going to a meeting with russians who came with e-mail that said, your points are on your side of the coming election. they get some dirt on your point and they want to have a meeting about it. they want to talk about the sanctions. is that credible that someone
could take that position? isn't it credible generally? >> well, you know, he made clear in his own statement this idea that he didn't, he thought the meeting was a waste of time. that honestly hard to believe because the e-mail said something like private and confidential. >> it also said they were they were his father-in-law win the election. >> that's right. so i think not just for committee members, but for any american who sees that. at first glance. that's quite hard to believe. >> okay. thank you for coming on again tonight. let's talk about paul manafort. from the beginning he's had russian connections. that was one reason trump liked him. he owes $17 million to the oligarchs over there. is he going on testify or lawyering his way out of this or what? >> well, we will see. i am very happy that chairman
grassley actually issued a subpoena for him, which i think gets everything set up right. and in response to that, there are document requests that are pending and the possibility of staff interviews that are being negotiated, and ultimately, i both hope and expect that he will be brought before the committee in a public hearing. obviously it won't be tomorrow at this point and it will be up to the chairman to fick date. i believe that's the direction that we're heading in. it is not uncommon to do that kind of preparatory work before you bring on a witness in a public hearing. >> speaking of preparatory work, he walked into that meeting that jared kushner says was a waste of time with a notebook, he wrote down contemporaneous notes. he was a russian guy. he knows russian connections. he knew a meeting with these top russians that were representing to be with the government in an
effort to try to help win the election against his point. he took dead seriously. how would you rt square that with the claim of jared kushner that it was a casual stop bied kind of thing? >> well, it is very hard to square, as you've pointed out. it is not often the turbulence of a campaign at this juncture, that you get the candidates' he son, the son-in-law and the candidate's campaign chairman all in room together over nothing and it gets particularly change when the memo that sets it all up that was circulated amongst all of them describes this as being part of the russian government's plan to interfere in the election. and they all look at that, and say, i'm coming in any way. a lot of people would look at that memo think and it is a set up. it is so incriminating. and they all came in anyway. >> let's watch something bummed
this investigation earlier this spring in april. >> have you seen any hard evidence of collusion yet? >> i guess i would say this. that my impression is, i wouldn't be surprised after all this is said and done that some people end up in jail. >> what do you think collusion means? it seems like it could be showing up in a meeting with foreigners, in this case, russia. isn't that collusion? >> absolutely. he was speaking of not only collusion but possible obstruction or cover-up or other things. so i stand by that answer. not in a malhe have lent way. if you ask me, my impression is that people won't get out of this completely unscathed and
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the republicans finally took the first step toward repealing obamacare and potentially stripping 22 million people of health insurance. potentially. keep that in mind. it came amid loud chants of kill the bill, don't kill us. and even shouts from protesters in the gallery who were dragged out later. >> i haven't heard that before. nearly all 100 senators took their seats as the roll call began. mcconnell could afford to lose only two of the 52 senators. and as the votes were kounlth, susan collins and lisa mur could
you 60 began. teetering on the edge of defeat, senator john mccain strode into the chal bettmber and cast a dr vote to move the vote forward. let's watch that. [ applause ] >> mr. mccain. >> because not one democrat voted for the bill, vice president mike pence had to cast the decided 51st vote which he did. and after the vote, mccain who returned to his home to arizona where he is recovering from surgery. >> the administration and congressional democrats shouldn't have forced through congress without any opposition support a social and economic change as massive as obamacare. and we shouldn't do the same with ours. why don't we try the old way of legislating in the senate?
the way our rules and customs encourage us to act? if this process ends in failure, which seems likely, then let's return to regular order. >> forcing the vote was a risky move by mcconnell who required his members to take a leem of faith because it is unclear what the bill will be. joining us, michael steele, and congresswoman from illinois. you voted against it but they jammed through a version of this. i don't think the republican party is a governing party. i think they're still a protest party. they're still running against washington and the government. they don't have the slightest idea of how to square the circle of repeal and replace. >> all we have to do is look at the last six months of what has gotten done. the election season talked about a trillion-dollar infrastructure package, a jobs bill.
we've gotten nothing done because we have these constant distractions. i think john mccain pointed out, the american public deserves more from the republican party. >> his move to proceed was procedural. and i think a lot of people on the left say that was terrible. all did he was move -- to me, the mayhem into the spotlight. there is no republican health care philosophy. except don't do anything on health care. and that won't sell. >> not only that. i think there's a philosophy. it is not very clear. >> do you believe the federal government would have ever moved on health care if the democrats hadn't done it on obamacare? that's your philosophy. don't do anything. >> that's not the philosophy. don't do anything. there were swhoissues. wasn't about so much health care as it was insurance. and i think that's always been a very, very important distinction.
>> help me on that. >> this whole thing has been geared toward the insurance companies. doctors aren't at the table. health care providers aren't at the table. >> does federal government have a responsibility to make sure the american people have insurance? >> no. >> i worked in health care for ten years. i worked in health care before, during and after the affordable care act was passed. >> is it fair to stay party goes from public option, single payer, or at least something like obamacare. they believe in doing something. >> for right now, democrats stand with our arms wide open saying we'll work with you. we want to bring down cost prescription drugs west want to make sure co-pays and premiums are available. and i think the way do you know that, this week and over the next few weeks, begin to roll out what your plan would be, to help move republicans into that space. i tell you, the democrats are in
the exact same position the republicans were in. >> they did it yesterday. i'm sorry. chuck schumer and nancy pelosi, the leaders on both sides, rolled out a plan. three legs of it. and one of the legs was, prescription drugs. >> pillars. >> have they had it scored? get it scored and put it on the floor and let's talk about it. so it is just an idea. >> okay, miss manners. they made proposal. >> fine. you have a proposal. you have your come he's in the house and senate. you go first. you go first. >> a former speaker of the house, john boehner telling a business gathering that republicans wouldn't repeal obamacare. let's listen. >> there won't be resale and replace obamacare. it has been around too long. the american people have gotten
accustomed to it. to this medicaid expansion. trying to pull it back won't work. >> didn't he just say you're going to do something? >> that's the reality. they should do something. you tell me what will get passed the next three weeks. >> nothing. >> okay then. expose the fact little slower that they ain't got nothing to do. they don't believe in national health care. >> well, what you referenced earlier, we rolled out what we're calling a better deal. it is not just a slogan. >> i think make america again is a good slogan. >> better jobs, better wages. >> look, when we rolled out fire pelosi, that was a call to
action. >> that's positive. >> it was. >> fire somebody. >> it was. why do you think it works for trump? >> okay, all right. >> so you're going to tell me. what is the call to snacks we have a better deal for you or we need you to take out -- >> okay. on you're getting so passionate now. fire pelosi seems to have lit your fire. michael steele. and one of the great members of congress. up next, president trump has declared a war on political norms. last night he gave rambling speech on boy scouts. i thought they were protected from politics. more coming up in the roundtable. there's nothing more important to me than my vacation. so when i need to book a hotel, i want someone who makes it easy to find what i want. booking.com gets it. and with their price match, i know i'm getting the best price every time. c'mon, gary!
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>> the fake news and all that. welcome back. that was president trump last flight in his speech to, you won't believe it. the national boy scout jamboree. the president opened his remarks by saying he would put politics aside. here's some of what he had to say after that. >> who the hell wants to speak about politics when i'm in front of the boy scouts? i go to washington and i see all these politicians. on i said we ought to change it from the word swamp to the word cesspool or perhaps to the word sewer. secretary tom price is also here today. dr. price. by the way, you're going to get the votes? you better get them. he better get them. oh, otherwise, i'll say tom, you're fired. as the scout law says, a scout is trustworthy, loyal, we could
use some more loyalty, i will tell you that. so i have to tell you, what we did in all fairness is an unbelievable tribute to you and all of the other millions and millions of people that came out and voted for make america great again. just a question, did president obama ever come to a jamboree? >> what do you say? boy scouts are like 11 years old to start with. it is supposed to be a nonpolitical crowd which they are. maybe they like having they will there. it is an event for tens of thousands of children from across the country. president trump is probably the first to talk politics. last night the boy scouts of america made a statement to clarify their position. the boy scouts of america is
wholy nonpartisan. the invitation for the sitting u.s. president is a longstanding tradition and is in no way an endorsement of any political party or specific policies. he was in youngstown, ohio, and here's what he had to say a short time ago. >> and now tonight, i'm back in the center of the american heartland, far away from the washington swamp to spend time with thousands of true american patriots. i'm here this evening to cut through the fake news filter, and to speak straight to the american people. fake news. fake, fake, fake news. is there any place that is more fun, more exciting, and safer than a trump rally?
>> let's bring in our "hardball" roundtable. the correspondent for reuters, the reporter for axios, and a congressional reporter for npr. let's talk about it. in fact, you'll start by laughing. what do you make of trump using the boy scouts? just the breaking of all the norms, going after obama as an illegal immigrant. it is like he's shooting the moon. like in hearts. everything he does is against the normal way to do something. he is still in the high 30s. >> we clearly have seen with this president nrgs his mind, every stage a campaign stage and every audience deserves a show or a spectacle. there is an art of addition. you try to turn people who didn't support you before and you try to make they will support you. every time he does, there it is a missed moment to reach across the aisle. >> he doesn't win by uniting.
he wins by passionate division. >> so far that was enough to get him to the white house, clearly. >> it is fair to say he's kissed off the big cities all across the country and it doesn't steam bother him much. breaking all the norms. he doesn't accept any rules. there are these moments when you can elevate things. you can elevate things. lord knows, 40,000 boy scouts is one of those moments. he talks about hillary and obama and you don't need to receive to the 54%. let's just are imagine there's a chance that theory is wrong. even his mild mannered bullying.
the huge department. that's a street corner drugstore cowboy, standing on the street corner saying, you don't mess with me. you're out of here. >> this is not what the scouts would have liked in terms of role modeling. if you want to drain the swamp and fill with it people who are good, a crowd of scouts might be the best recruiting place you could go to. inset the of being the role model, he was disparaging washington and saying don't get involved unless you'll be that loyal to me. >> it would have been great if he wore a scout uniform. the merit badges. scouters wear them. >> they do that. it would be more appropriate, i think. wouldn't it? >> perhaps. who knows. donald trump wasn't a boy scout or even an eagle scout. some of the members of his cabinet were. and then to have, to encourage the boy scouts to boo hillary
clinton was a definite low moment. >> i don't think there's a merit badge in hate. last night's speech to the boy scouts wasn't the last time in the last few days the president turned something into a political rally. here's what he said for the commissioning ceremony for uss gerald ford. >> now we need congress to do its job and pass the budget that provides for higher, stable and predictable funding levels for our military needs. that our fighting men and women deserve and you will get. believe me. president trump, i will tell you. you will get it. don't worry about it. but i don't mind getting a little hand. so call that congressman and call that senator and make sure you get it. by the way, you can also call those senators to make sure you get health care. >> let me ask you, you have to
start. this it is stuff. full material for this guy. two full terms or not a full term? give me your predictions. >> full term? two full terms or not a full term? >> i will say a full term. i will say that we have not seen the end of trump unleashed with. anthony scaramucci already signaling that he will let trump be trump. >> let me go to john here. >> two terms. >> i've given up on guessing what the american electorate will do. but let me say this. >> full term -- >> he's still full term. i need to see turning point. the roundtable is sticking with us. we'll be right back with "hardball." your next getaway? connecting with family and friends?
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28 republicans who -- >> are you betting on the democrats to win the house back? >> all these tough questions. >> i think they're in a good position. >> what do you think? >> sure. why not. >> i would -- >> 24. i'll give my answer. the economy stays the way it is. i think the republican there's hold. if it doesn't, look out. i think they lose. it is all about the economy. look at the top issue. >> politics 101. >> well said. when we return, let me finish with trump watch. he won't like it. ♪
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to fasten your seatbelts. inwe'll have some turbulence in this city. a u.s. attorney general on his way out after twisting slowly in the wind watergate style. or in trump style, briskly in the wind. one by one for leaking. he can save himself, sessions can. at least for a time if he shows his loyalty to trump by getting rid of the people. he can show loyalty to trump by showing disloyalty to those who showed loyalty from him. none of this will save him from trump's wratss. his original sin was to give tim sword and shield he was given to protect trump himself by recusing himself in the russian matter, he advocated his rowing to an emperor that will not forgive an act he views as tr s treasonous. so one day soon, he will be
>> now new tariffs that might ultimately ignite a trade war. >> the president has ignored the advice of most of business leaders. >> if you are thinking this president hasn't really thought this through very well? that's how it happened. jesse: but the tariffs were just a bargaining chip and they worked. president trump: this week we secured a wonderful deal with south korea. we had a deal that was a horror show. it was going to produce 200,000 jobs and i'd did for them. she was right, but it was for them, not for us. jesse: south korea doubled the amount of american cars they will allow to be sold in their
country. this in exchange for trump temporarily dropping the threat of steel tariffs. "the washington post" reported it marks the first successful renegotiation of a trade deal for the trump administration. that line was buried at the bottom of the story, not even worthy of a headline. little rocket man traveled to beijing for constructive talks with his puppet master. america and north korea are now hopefully on the cusp of talks. president trump: certainly the rhetoric has calmed down just a little bit. would you say? we'll see how it all turns out. maybe it will be good and maybe
it won't. jesse: more good news for the american worker at home as a result of tax and regulation cutting. americans applying for unemployment fell to the lowest rate since 1973. remember what the media said the trump tax cut wouldn't help the little guy? mcdonald's just announced it will send $150 million on college education thanks to the tax cut. so when you hear the press criticize trump's unconventional style, pause a minute and let the results speak for themselves. mark levin will be here litter but first i want to bring in ed henry. what do you think of that brilliant commentary?
posturing. now you have this dictator in north korea on bended knee saying i am going to talk to the u.s. president. i'm going to get object a train and go to china and show my face in another country for the first time ever. jesse: i want to talk to you about hillary. she is back at it and giving a speech at rutgers university. made a little news. let's hear it. >> the election was pretty traumatic. a lot of angst and second guessing and finger pointing. oh, my god, did you see how shrill she was? i took a lot of long walks in the wood and drank my share of chardonnay. people said to me go away, go away. they never said that to any man who wasn't elected. i'm committed to speaking out
and doing what i can to have a voice in the debate about where our country is going. jesse: they never said that to a man, go away? al gore went away and people were happy about that. ed: there are actual women who are democrats telling her 0 go away. claire mccaskill in missouri. they said hillary, get off the stage. why are they saying that? they are tired of her, number one, but these are democrats who are vulnerable in missouri and north dakota. and it reveals truth about the president. in the states like missouri and north dakota, he's a lot more popular than democrats want to admit. jesse: remember al gore, it's
the economy, stupid from james carville. al gore took some years off and made some money and grew a beard and didn't get involved in the bedates that were happening. ed: mitt romney we saw at a taco bell and pumping his own gas. jesse: you don't even pump your own gas. ed: you no who has become hillary clinton? nancy pelosi. jesse: someone else not leaving the stage, roseanne barr returning to the stage after 20 years with a smash hit on abc. >> how could you have voted for him? >> he talked about jobs, he said he would shake things up. this might come as a complete shock to you, but we almost lost our house because of the way
things are going. >> have you looked at the news? things are worse. >> not on the real news. >> jackie things every girl should grow up to be president even if they are a liar liar pants on fire. everybody this is the first dinner we have had as a family inning a long time. let's survive it. jky please protect gina and all the troops overseas, but most of all, lord, thank you for making america great again. jesse: abc caused out a safe space for viewers. the real heartland of the country. did you expect this? ed: not at all. that was the fact that tulsa and cities like that. this was off the charts.
what this show is doing is what donald trump did, talking to the forgotten man and woman in tulsa and kansas city. jesse: and there are 18 million forgotten women. the inspector general investigating whether power was abused when the fisa court approved spying on the trump campaign. carter page joins me now in a fox exclusive. what is going on with you. everyone is talking about carter page. they opened up the surveillance because of you, and no one knows who you are. who is carter page? >> that's the beauty of it. that's how they were able to get so much taken care of because they had a blank slate. it's easier to paint a picture against me than a russian
billionaire. jesse: they accused you of being some kind of moscow lover. but continue butt kisser and -- putin butt kisser. they say you are going to russia and talking to the powers that be. is that true? >> i have been doing deals in moscow for a decade and a half. jesse: trying to make money? >> i'm also a foreign policy scholar. i have written a lot about russia. i did my ph.d on central asia. jesse: so you know about the country and you are over there trying to make deals and giving speeches. and they open up surveillance on you because they think you are doing something illegal and colluding with the russians. >> similar to the iraq situation back in the early 2000s, if you have fake intelligence and you are able to sell that to the congress and the american
people, then one thing leads to another and you have a nice little conflict. jesse: they are investigating the abuse of the fisa court. they presented a dossier that was salacious and unverified. that's a crime, you are not allowed to do that. the white house chief of staff was involved in pushing the investigation forward with the fbi counter-intelligence people. and harry reid was involved and briefed by the cia director and wrote a letter to james comey urging the opening of the investigation. when you were being surveilled, were you talking to donald trump and people in the campaign? >> i have never spoken to donald trump in my entire life. jesse: that's huge news. the way the media spins it, you are a central figure. >> they approved my fisa warrant october 1, 016.
the following friday i sent a letter to the organization of security and cooperation in vienna protesting the election abuse in terms of violations of human rights and a lot of the steps. jesse: you sent a letter. >> and i forwarded a copy of that on to several of the people in the campaign. jesse: that was the extent of it? jesse: they charged you with a crime. >> they are saying -- jesse: did you know you were being surveilled? did you get a 6th sense thinking this is fishy? >> there are a lot of people leaking about this and that give me a significant suspicion. jesse: did you change your behavior after you sensed you were under surveillance? >> i have never done anything wrong in russia for the last 25,
27 years. jesse: they are saying you are talking to russians at the republican convention in the summer of 2016. is that true? >> there were a lot of diplomats at that conference at case western reserve university. i said hello to ambassador kislyak. jesse: you are under the microstop. do you feel guilty for being part of this surveillance that led to a special prosecutor? >> i feel guilty that i didn't fight back harder when this first started 45 days before the election when the fake news stories started coming out defaming me. part of me feels bad i didn't do more to stand up for my rights. a lot of things i was doing such
many billions of dollars on this, they should be responsible for this. jesse: you have gotten your reputation thrown into the gutter. the trump campaign has tried to disavow you. you understand that, naturally. i would, too, if i were them. this entire escapade has embarrassed the country. do you feel at all guilty for giving these enemies of the president this kind of ammunition to use against them? >> no, i feel guilty that i did not fight back to get the truth out there earlier. the beauty of the last couple months since the house intelligence committee and others, senate judiciary committee have been showing what really happened in terms of election interest force,
operatives in washington, that has done a lot to help set the record straight. as more information comes out. jesse: you wouldn't have changed of any your behavior leading up to the election. >> i can't imagine anything i could have done. jesse: you were an fbi informant at one time. you were helping the fbi nail down russian operatives working against this country. now they opened a surveillance probe into you as if you were a russian spy. >> it ties into this spy case in the u.k. where there is a lot of people taking steps or they are concerned people are attack an individual. what is going to happen with the russians? what were they doing to influence this situation? and i told them specifically, what we have now learned, i'm sort of revealed as this
individual helping the western power. and so who knows, i could have been at risk. but the funny thing about that is i never felt at risk and i was never concerned about anything along those lines. jesse: people think you are a weird guy. i'm upset you are not wearing your famous hat. thank you very much. up next, the great mark levine. great tasting, heart-healthy california walnuts. so simple, so good. get the recipes at walnuts.org.
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you have the director of the fbi, the deputy director of the fbi leak all over the place. the abuse of the fisa court. i have never heard of anything like this before. the problem right now is the fbi does all kinds of things to protect the people in this country domestic and foreign. you have had these bad cops, i call them, rogue top officials at the top of the fbi who have besmirched this agency. we need to help the agency get its reputation back. we need a commission to do that. an inspector general does a report. let's say he couples and condemns these people. what then? most of of them are already gone. we have a special counsel look
for excuses why he exists. i here i -- here i can't think of a better situation where we have have a special counsel focused on the top levels of the fbi and the justice department. jesse: why has it taken so long for a second special counsel to be appointed? the drum beat has been growing the last couple weeks. what's taking so long? mark: not only should the attorney general quickly appoint a special counsel even those inspector general is doing his thing, on top of the inspector general. but the existing special counsel. paul manafort's lawyers filed papered in court raising the constitutionality of what's taking place with rosenstein and
special counsel mueller. mueller keeps asking for his investigation to be expanded and rosenstein keeps expanding it. jeff sessions rekiewlsed himself on matter involving the campaign. rosenstein does not have the power outside of the recusal that sessions gave to expand mueller's investigation. he's not the attorney general when it comes to tax issues or whether someone failed to file as a foreign agent under the foreign acts act. rosenstein doesn't have the constitutional authority to be attorney general for all these other matters. jesse: we do know rosenstein was involved in signing off on the warrants that were in front of the fisa court because they kept on being renewed under james comey. there is a great piece out here
now that shows the obama white house's fingerprints were all over this. we had harry reid talking to obama's cia director. and, is legitimizing the investigation backwards. mark: way saw underscores what i have been thinking. how is it possible when you have the fisa court application. the direct yoofort fbi involved. attorney general of the united states involved. the intelligence agencies involved. you have the national security advisor unmasking individuals. how in the hell is it possible if the only person on the face of the earth who don't know about this is barack obama? on top of this, the leaks were in the newspaper. you are telling me the president
of the united states is sitting there saying, hey, all this stuff is swirling around him, swirling around his different departments and he's not briefed on it? i don't believe that for two seconds. jesse: he was supposed to be the smartest man in the room. wit was bad he read about it in the newspaper. he never had any culpability when there was a problem. you have little rock and the obama cia director cord tbhaight the senator from nevada, then you see leaks coming out about the investigation, and when that hits the press, those press reports were then used in the fisa application. it looks to me like this entire investigation was cooked up from the beginning in order to justify the surveillance.
is that what you believe? >> i believe it was cooked up with the dossier, the clinton campaign and the dnc, and i believe reid was approached by brennan to apply present sure to push the investigation. all this stuff is going on under the radar. that's why you need a commission and the special counsel. we'll stick with the inspector general for now. but somebody outside the department -- i don't get my kicks with these special counsels, but there are times when that's absolutely necessary. top public officials who can sit down and figure out what the hell took place here and how to fix it. jesse: the inspector general can't compel certain people to come forward from the state department to testify or issue subpoenas.
it's a step in the right direction, but in a way it's toothless. you have a show on sunday night, "life, liberty and le strip." who do you have on? mark: ed meese. we'll talk about issues like this. the fisa court, what took place. and what he thinks is taking place with the fbi. he's quite the brilliant, wise gentleman. i was honored to be his chief of staff for so many years. we'll bring him on for a full hour and have a discussion. jesse: thank you very much, mr. levin. >> god bless. jesse: coming up, a classic "watters world" easter quiz.
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another bomb blast. a british soldier was also killed in the attack. jesse: the democratic party has become a joke literally. they are running clowns for congress. actual clowns. steve lowe is on the ticket in south carolina's congressional primary. steve joins me now. let's see what you got. >> you guys requested my wig and nose. this what i used to look like on the circus. put the nose on, all right. now i'm a little bit in honor of
the mass tires, a -- honor of the masters, a golf club balancing tip. years and years of practice. jesse: dent hurt yourself. -- don't hurt yourself. >> that's part of the risk in the circus. here we go. jesse: look at that. >> hold on. we are only halfway there. and we have the balance and -- jess wow! >> how about that! jesse: okay! >> you want to see a little bit of juggling. i'm running in the fifth district. here we go. one more time.
always the perfectionist. here we go. voilà. thank you very much. jesse: we are going to finish the rest of the interview thank you, steve. you will fit right in congress if you win with the rest of the clowns. it will be a smooth transition for you because the swamp is the circus. you are running as a democrat and your opponent will probably be a republican. trump won the district by 18 points. this looks like a long-shot. do you think you will win in south carolina running as a bernie sanders democrat? >> i got an email from a big trump supporter who told me he loved me. he said i don't like democrats. but he said i agree with you, we need to do something on
healthcare and guns. he says he's not sure what. but he says you worked in the circus with lots of different people. you know how to get along with people. i think you may be able to break the logjam. mr. rogers went to dartmouth. jesse: if you win, you will be in nancy pelosi's caucus. will you caucus with nancy and vote how she wants you to vote? >> i think i can have a good influence on her, too. single payer healthcare -- jesse: you are a south carolina guy and it's deep red. and you want to run and single payer healthcare. do you think that's a winning ticket? >> yes, because conservatives get sick and go bankrupt, too. my whole thing is i think ebb should be able to go to the
doctor. jesse: obamacare is halfway to single payer. you want to go all the way in and week afford that how? >> every other industrialized nation in the world does it that way. margaret thatcher was a big supporter of single payer healthcare. jesse: people who want real surgeries cross the bored and come down to america to get that. do you your things in south carolina. you have got some great tricks up your sleeve. i would love to see you win because i think it would shake thing up. >> i think i can win the pro mary antigen. i think i'm good. jesse: we'll follow you. up next. diamond and silk on hillary clinton versus snooki. (avo) help control cravings
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jesse: this week the trump administration announced it will add a citizenship question back to the 2020 census. the question, are you a citizen? it was on the census for decade and was taken out under president obama. here with reaction, my fast it bloggers, diamond and silk. you guys are looking good. what i wanted to ask you is this. michelle malkin said only in america can you get sued for asking who is in america. does this make any sense to you? >> it makes no sense. here is the deal. this here question is on several applications. when you are trying to apply for government assistance. when you are going to college. when you are getting a student
loan. they ask specific questions like this. it's in our constitution the census be donner 10 years. if you are a resident you are supposed to fill out your form. i don't understand why these states are trying to aid and abate these illegal aliens. if you don't fill out the form as a resident you should be find. >> or change the question and ask are you an illegal i willien. joe * i think this place is out of control. you can't find out if you are legal or illegal. that's unconstitutional. there is an advertisement by one my fast it distributors, heineken. this ad is accused of being racially insensitive. let's take a look.
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people keep asking us why are you so hard on hillary. i have to be hard on her. she called us deplorable and called us racist, and she said it's because after man you voted for a man. she needs to go somewhere back in the woods with her chardonnay and be quiet. jesse: all right, ladies, thank you very much. and a "watters world" easter quiz up next. mitzi: psoriatic arthritis tries to get in my way? watch me. ( ♪ ) mike: i've tried lots of things for my joint pain. now? watch me. ( ♪ ) joni: think i'd give up showing these guys
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jesse: what happened on easter. >> apparently jesus was born? >> i can't remember. >> it's the resurrection of jesus the second time. jesse: the second time? what do you think jesus looked like? >> a very handsome guy. >> they said he had blue eyes. >> that's the anglo saxon version. >> to me he was darker skinned. jesse: jesus had a nice tan? >> a carpenter back in the day. there was no sunscreen. >> dad, you are so sunburned. jesse: why do they call good
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them for the last three months. four months, five months. and they're still here. >> they're still here. meanwhile, bipartisan efforts to shield mueller and his investigation are moving forward in the senate, interestingly enough after much delay. today republican chuck grassley, the chair of the powerful senate judiciary committee announced his panel will vote on a bill to protect mueller potentially as soon as tomorrow. that puts grassley on a direct collision course with the senate majority leader who says he will not advance the bill to a final vote. >> there's no indication that mueller is going to be fired. i don't think the president is going to do that. >> obviously a number of your colleagues fear it enough to say it should be in there. >> i'm the one who decides what we take to the floor. that's my responsibility as the majority leader. we'll not be having this on the floor of the senate. >> it's possible mcconnell doesn't read "the new york times" which reported on two separate occasions when the president has already tried to
order pluler fired. in one case backing down only after his own white house counsel threatened to quit over it if he went through with it. tonight concerns about mueller being fired are urgent enough apparently a police commander in pittsburgh just ordered detectives to bring riot gear to work in case people take to the streets. that's happening in america. on capitol hill, a handful of republicans signed on to a house version of the mueller protection bill. it is worth noting that of the six gop members we know, half have already announced they're retiring from congress. some of their colleagues are taking what could be considered the absolute opposite approach. today in a letter to the attorney general and other senior officials, 11 house republicans called on the justice department to prosecute a long list of the president's political foes including james comey, hillary clinton and former attorney general loretta lynch. we've seen had kind of extraordinary breach of american political norms from the president himself but never before from members of u.s.
congress. their move was hailed by the president's associates on trump tv. >> this is a welcome change here in washington. it looks like members of congress are trying to finally bring to the american people the justice which they deserve. hopefully the justice department will look into jim comey lying under oath in front of congress. i don't understand why you've got a person gone for almost a year that has not been followed up with or prosecuted for that potential crime. >> democratic senator cory booker a member of the senate judiciary committee and one of the sponsors of the bill to protect mueller good enough to join us live. let me start on that. what do you make of members of congress writing a letter calling for members of the fbi, the justice department and political foes of the president to be prosecuted? >> this is to me really a bad sign in our democracy. i think it starred in the last presidential election where you hear a whole convention center chanting "lock her up," which to
me is things that dictators do that autocrats do is go after their little enemies not through the mechanisms of democracy but threat nick to throw them in jail and arrest them. this is a very dangerous sign. it is very anti-democratic that people want to try to be pushing to lock up their political opponents. >> so you're on the judiciary committee. explain to me what the state of play is with this piece of legislation. >> back in june, lindsey graham and started talking about hey, this is a problem not just in this moment in history, this moment in time. but for the long-term. if you have a president under investigation or has principal members of their team indicted, that that president should have a common sense check and balance on their ability to fire a special counsel. it just makes sense that you should not have -- that you should have checks and balances that you shouldn't have a president can be above the law or that could obstruct justice.
so this is just a very common sense pragmatic idea. lindsay and i started working on it, thom tillis and chris coons came up with their version. we've married the versions. i'm excited that chuck grassley understands that this is a bill of merit not only for now but in the ages and not only held hearings on it i mope will mark this bill up and vote it out of committee. >> what do you think has changed? it seemed there was a lot of interest last summer, we may have had you on to talk about it, that interest waned. it seemed stalled. if you had asked me to bet on whether it would get a vote on committee, i would have said no. what's changed? >> a lot of folks of good conscience saying we've seen two separate occasions where we're hearing reports the president was going to move to fire mueller. we've seen consistent with his behavior that it can be impulsive, it can be unpredictable. i think we need this back stop for our democracy as opposed to
lurching us into a constitutional crisis. sober minds see this as not at indictment of the president but as a sign of the times and something we're worried about and a responsible thing for us to do as stewards of the republic, as stewards of our democracy. and look, i would be -- i want to state it plain, clearly, there are republicans now that are worried that this eventuality might happen. i think that's why we're getting good people, good heart, good nature stepping up to say let's do some things to create an insurance policy against a constitutional crisis. >> isn't.mitch mcconnell just going to put this bill where he stored the merrick garland flom nation in his office? >> i think that is a well earned skepticism. but this is something that i think is gaining momentum. i think that mitch mcconnell is right it, his rights to do what he's doing right now but he's
within his rights to change his mind. as we get more bipartisan support, as more activism happens around the country and if trump continues with the kind cuff bluster we've been seeing, here's a president that has been undermining the special counsel, attacking his integrity, undermining the investigation. i think at some point people have to choose from a tribalism party politics between that and sort of a faithfulness to their country and our institutions. i'm hoping that mitch mcconnell will come around. but right now, we're step by step. we wrote a bill. we got the bill hearings. we got the bill now ready to go into committee. every step of the way as you said, people didn't think we could make it the next step. i have a feeling we might get this to the floor. >> do you think the president's a criminal. >> i'm one of those folks that says let's go where the evidence leads. and right now, we have a special counsel that is doing a thorough
investigation. let's not get ahead of our skis. let's make sure we support the special counsel's investigation. if the president, like he says he has nothing to worry about, he should back off on the rhetoric and the things he's doing to undermine the investigation and let it take its course. let's draw our conclusions from the evidence gath perpendicular i think it's politically peril oust way we are throwing things around and getting ahead of this investigation. i think we need to let this prosecutor, let the special counsel rather do their job and draw conclusions after the evidence comes forward. >> is that a reference to talk of impeachment when you say politically perilous. >> yeah, i think that we undermine our position as democrats if we are reaching out now for impeachment which is just going to whip up more of the political divisions, the political debates. i'll take criticism for that but it's okay. we need sober minds, fact-basesed conclusioned drawn
from evidence presented. this, if we protect are the special counsel especially, this investigation is going to come to a conclusion. there are going to be facts and we can base our actions based upon those fantastics. >> senator cory booker, you for making time tonight. >> for more on threats the jut department's independence, i'm joined by two former federal prosecutors, jennifer rogers who worked in the same attorney's office investigating michael cohen and harry lipman who worked at the doj. let me start with you. the president very pointedly didn't say no, i'm not going to fire them. they're five and i'm innocent. he could have said that. >> he could have but he likes to keep us guessing, of course. if he flat out said i'm going to fire him, then maybe they hurry up and pass this bill and that puts impediments in his way. >> or if he said i'm not going to do it. what he said was this coy like, you keep saying this and they're still there. he said they're going to do
their job. >> the white house said that before. sarah sanders said that before and now she's backing off that which is getting some people nervous. >> harry, i want to ask about some of the -- there's all these machinations happening as we watch this bear down. one of them is that adam schiff is introducing a pardon bill, legislation to prevent abuse of presidential pardons which understand the impulse particularly as there is some evidence that perhaps the president might be dangling them or some fear he might be dangling in front of people that could incriminate them. is that even constitutional? >> doa. the pardon power is plenary. it's a very interesting theory by the way that the dangling of a pardon might constitute obstruction because the sort of secret i'll pardon you, just keep quiet now, wouldn't be subject to the one check we have on pardons which is the political collect that they're in in plain air. but there's the pardon power,
more than even the discharge power which at issue in the booker bill, is completely within the president's control subject only to as has happened here arguably, improper purpose and it being the possibility of obstruction. ditto, by the way, on the booker bill. there are going to be constitutional arguments on either side. notwithstanding the precedent that the senators rely on. and i actually think if it passes, this will au kind of play out at the district court level in the first instance and whether the district court will enjoin the bill or not until it goes up because if the district court says let's keep it as it is, that law is in place, that will be four, five, six months till the supreme court decides that's four, five, six months for mueller to make a lot of hay. >> that's a very good point sort of concrete terms, is there even
a legislative it statutory solution to this. >> some legal scholars argue alan dershowitz and a lot of them on right argue the president has a constitutional power under article two to fire anyone in the executive branch essentially so you can't undermine that power by statute or any other reason. that will be the battle if this gets passed. they'll be duking it out in court. >> another piece of legislation this legal gim protect. eric schneiderman wrote a letter to new york lawmakers urging state lawmakers to close new york's double jeopardy loophole to. to prevent the president from avoiding double jeopardy. >> it only applies as double jeopardy would once somebody has stood trial. now, sneiderma knows better. jennifer probably knows better being from from new york. my sense of it is, it comes into play only when somebody is first
put in jeopardy in the federal system. but if that happens, it would apply to many of the crimes the vet financial crimes that it looks as if cohen, manafort and others are going to have to stand try for. >> so it attach as soon as someone pleads guilty or a jury is sworn in a trial. so flynn. >> you're saying is double jeopardy does. >> correct. so flynn, he's already pled, gates has already pled. for them if they're pardoned by the president, then the new york double jeopardy statute would the prohibit sneiderma or any other new york prosecutor from bringing charges against them. >> this would rectify that in view of sneiderma. >> it would. new york is along with about half the states with a stricter double jeopardy policy than is strictly necessary. there's no constitutional reason they can't pass this and scale back that extra protection. >> it's interesting to watch everyone try to figure out how to sort of shore up all this. then there's the civil suits
happening. one thing that happened today karen mcdougal was released from her settlement with ami, american media inc .basically saying you can tell your story. do you see that as having effect on everything happening in the lane of michael cohen and robert mueller, harry. >> totally. it's quite a story really. everyone has been focused to date on mueller. understandably. he's got the big guns. he can really bring the biggest charges against trump. in the meantime, trump is fighting and losing on these different fronts in individual courts. where he has to, in fact, stand in front of the law and the law buys back and says look, i don't care if you're the president. so far, judge wood, judge odoro and i think mcdougal, the "national enquirer" read the writing on the wall. what we had seen as sort of
nuisance suits in fact are proving very potent especially if cohen is right, by the way. that's a fact question, that the stormy suit actually was instrumental in the search warrants being served on cohen. >> and karen mcdougal's lawyer as i realized is going to be on rachel maddow. next, after the bizarre 72 hours of back and forth whether the white house is enacting russian sanctions the president halted his departure from the president conference with the prime minister minister of japan to weigh in on public feud. that story in two minutes. at ameriprise financial, we can't predict what tomorrow will bring. but our comprehensive approach to financial planning can help make sure you're prepared for what's expected and even what's not. and that kind of financial confidence can help you sleep better at night. with the right financial advisor, life can be brilliant.
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the wake of the syrian government's chemical weapons attack on syrians as the u.s. alleges they did. u.s. ambassador to the united nations nikki haley announced the sanctions on tv. he grew angry and yelled at the television. the white house insys there had were no new sanctions claiming she had just been confused. tonight at a press conference weapons japanese frirpt shinzo abe, trump offered a cryptic response when asked about the sanctions. >> sanctions as soon as they very much deserve it. we have -- that is a question. there's been nobody tougher on russia than president donald trump. >> joining me now someone all over the stoerks political analyst phillip rucker, white house bureau chief for the "washington post." lots of press back and forth about the peschell dynamics. nikki says there already
sanctions. then they get withdrawn. kudlow says she got ahead of her skis. nikki haley says i don't get confused. there was a policy that got reversed, right? >> that's right, chris. as with a lot of things in this administration, the reason for the reversal is the president himself. there was an agreed upon preliminary plan developed last week to impose these sanctions as an economic component of the broader campaign in retaliation for the syrian chemical gas attacks. there were the military strikes on friday. there were to be these economic sanctions against russia this monday. and sometime over the weekend, the president decided to hold back on the sanctions, not to impose and not to authorize them in part because he felt like russia had not retaliated against the united states for that military strike on friday. so he didn't want to antagonize russia too much. something didn't happen in the translation there. it's unclear based on my reporting exactly when the
president changed his mind whether he did so before ambassador haley went on tv sunday or soon after. but the white house did not announce that change till monday and the agreed upon message was to blame her. >> this is very similar to another incident you reported in the west about his anger at the scope of russian diplomatic expulsions or spy expensions according to u.s. government. there were i think 60 named and you said the president was furious his administration has being portrayed as taking by far the toughest stance on russia. he got angry whether he learned france and britain were kicking out four, the u.s. was kicking out 60 and yelling at his staff about it. >> that's right. president trump was willing to expel those russian diplomats a few weeks ago but did not want to be seen as taking the lead as having the united states be at the forefront of this. he felt like this was a problem for europe. he wanted the european allies to
be more aggressive with russia. he was willing to sort of go along. so his advisers said look, if the u.s. expels 60 diplomats, europe will expel 60. for some reason, trump didn't realize they meant europe collectively. there was a global effort, all of these countries contributed a certain number of diplomats they would be expelling from their countries. trump got furious when he saw the side by side comparisons between the u.s. at 60, france and germany at four each. that irritated him and he was cursing at his team. >> what is going on? the president is at war and at odds with his own administration over russia policy. he hates when they're aggressive. he gets overruled or outplayed or they have to keep it hidden from him and spring it on him. the whole thing steams dysfunctional and unhealthy. what's going on? >> he's ratcheted up the aggression with russia a little bit. certainly the donald trump of 2017 probably would not have
agreed to expel any russian diplomats, would not have agreed to close the consulate in the seattle. he says he's the toughest ever. that doesn't pan out. it's clear when you report inside this administration that is almost everyone to a t in the administration those in the cabinet, those on the national security council are in agreement with a very aggressive and adversarial posture with russia. it's the president time and again they have to convince to come along and authorize these moves. >> phil, thanks for being with me tonight. >> thank you. president trump today crowed about the man he nominated to be secretary of state cia director mike pompeo we now know traveled to north korea over easter weekend to meet kim jong-un directly even though he's not been confirmed by the senate. >> i think mike pompeo is extraordinary. sfefs number one at west point, top the an harvard. he's a great gentleman. i think he'll go down as truly a great secretary of state.
by the way, he just left north korea. had a great meeting with kim jong-un and got along with him really well, really great. >> joining me now is the top democrat in the senate foreign reeses complete senator robert menendez df new jersey who said today he would vote no on the pompeo come nation. let me start with your reasons for coming to that conclusion. >> i don't think director pompeo will be someone who be a strong advocate for diplomacy as the first line of defense. i think he rounds out what is becoming the president's war cabinet. i'm concerned about his past statements about regime change. both in north korea and iran just to mention a few. and i'm concerned about his record on what he has said about people of the muslim faith, about the lgbtq community, and others, and democracy and human
rights around the world which the united states promotes starts here at home. those are many of the reasons why i don't believe that he will work to stop the president's worst instincts. >> are you supportive of efforts to engage in direct talks with north korea like pompeo going there and possibly setting up a head to head summit with the president? >> well, you know, ultimately, i worry about the president having a meeting without the deep preparation that has to take place. primarily by our state department and our defense people to maybe have a shot at having a good meeting. you know what kim yong u.n. has done here is set the terms and the time that he decided that he'll engage with us. he has received international recognition by the president himself agreeing to meet with him and being legitimized in that way. he has ultimately said that he'll talking about
denuclearization but he's done that previouset rations. never has it been followed through on. lastly it looks like he will get benefit from china in enhanced economic interaction for easing the tension. he's in a good place. i worry that the president doesn't understand what is necessary and the underpinnings necessary toes achieve the possibility of the goals of a denewark clearrized korean peninsula. >> there's a lot of back and forth in the last 24 hours about russia and russian sanctions particularly with nikkiy announcing is new chances. people in the administration saying she got ahead of the curve and her saying i did not. do you understand what's going on with there administration's russia policy? >> no, i don't understand the administration's russia policy except this. that president trump can declare the court order of a judge to
conduct a search warrant on his former -- or on his attorney an attack against our country but cannot say anything about vladimir putin's attack against our country in the presidential elections and attacks that are still going on in our election process as we speak for the 2018 elections. it's mind boggling and this is why i could understand where ambassador heyy thought they were going in a different direction because the congress overwhelming passed and the president he had to sign sanctions against russia that are mandatory, not discretionary and no waivers for them. mandatory that he has yet to pass. so ultimately, one has to wonder, what is it that the president has such a reluctance to do as it relates to russia when they've attacked us in what would clearly be in any other iteration an attack on our country and when they not only have invaded ukraine, committed a chemical attack against an individual on foreign soil, are engaged in other democracies throughout europe and in mexico
as we speak and so many others. so it's just mind boggling to try to understand that what the president is all about whether he it comes to russia. >> finally, the president ordered strikes on three different facilities that allegedly were involved in the production of chemical weapons controlled by the regime in syria. did you support those? do you support them and are you clear what the legal rationale is for those strikes? >> i think any sustained engagement in syria outside of isil needs the authorization of congress, number one. number two, wlags assad did is barbaric. but we saw a strike a year ago, we see a strike now. at the end of the day, i don't know if this was carefully choreographed because you have a strike against three facilities. the russians don't activate their defense missiles against us. the syrians shoot their missiles after our missiles land. you wonder, wait a minute, was this a choreographed kabuki
show? ia really is missing here is a strategy to end the disaster that is syria. >> let me make sure i understand that. are you suggesting that the white house used some back channelton actively coordinate with russia or the assad regime ahead of time before the strikes? >> well, i certainly have to wonder. the russians have a very sophisticated defense system they did not activate. the syrians shot missiles after our missiles landed. and the russians were not hit at all in any of those chemical weapons sites. it's too many questions that raise the concerns as did weise act and show our indignation but was it choreographed or at least were the russians told stay out of these seconds and by the way, don't challenge us. and if you don't challenge us, then everything will go as planned. look, the bottom line is, what's crying out here in syria is a strategy a strategy that
isolates russia and iran through the gulf partners through other countries in the world for what they're doing in syria that ends the humanitarian catastrophe that gives assistance to the syrians who are fleeing and brings the process into a u.n. brokered system, not the process where russia, turkey and iran are deciding syria's future and a good part of the middle east. >> the senator menendez thanks for being with me. next why is donald trump so worried about the michael cohen investigation? wlael look at what trump's fixer has done for trump after this break. this is a jungle gym... and a baseball diamond... ...a mythical castle... and a grand banquet hall. this is not just a yard. it's where memories are made. the john deere x350 select series with the exclusive one-touch mulchcontrol system. nothing runs like a deere® save 200 dollars on the x350 select series tractors at your john deere dealer today.
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no. >> two things about anthony scaramucci's response there, first a little unclear he knows how the coin toss works. the answer there is probably should it be it doesn't matter whether he cooperates with investigators because president trump did knot nothing wrong but it's kind of funny no one seems to be even pretending that's the case anymore. wnyc's trump, inc. aired an episode about michael cohen's history with the president. andrea bernstein joins me now. what did you learn. >> one of the things that was stunning to us and we went back to the beginning of michael cohen's career as a lawyer, is that he kept associating with people who were investigated, disbarred, committed of crimes, he himself was not so far as we can he's never been investigated till now. but he has a remarkable track record going back to people that he worked with in the taxi
medallion industry, people that he worked with where he set up medical offices and people were later charged with insurance fraud. and normally one wouldn't judge people by their associates but there is a stunning and consistent history and, of course, he is the president's lawyer, and therefore, is deserving of even more scrutiny. >> this is a guy who has gone through a number of businesses that i think it's fair to say like the taxi medallion business is like a sketchy business. >> the taxi medallion business, one of the things it's a license to drive a cab. until uber it was worth so much money. >> gold mine. >> at its peak worth $1 million. even way back in the early towels, he said had he 200 of them. that's a lot of money. and that's what gave him the ability to so far as we know, to start buying properties in trump tower. he went from these very sort of poor places in new york city where the businesses are falling apart and shuttered and people
don't have locks on their doors to fifth avenue, park avenue in a very short length of time. >> this is the thing. you get a picture today on twitter of one of his law offices and a taxi garage basically, in queengs essentially. at a certain point the way he runs into trouble, he starts buying up a lot of trump port. is that right? >> this is what happens. we don't know how they met. but the first time they were ever publicly linked was there was a story in the "new york post." it was an unusual story. >> a weird story. >> about some guy michael cohen him and his family and his business partners buying up trump properties all over the place. soon after that, he goes to work for trump as executive vice president. this is a guy who had an office in a garage not too many years before that. >> and he's buying he and his family are buying a lot of property in dollar value of condos in trump properties.
>> this is the other thing about michael cohen. he's worked in these industries, taxi medallions, medical insurance. diamonds, real estate. i mean, we'll take real estate in particular. the federal government thinks that real estate is a way for people to lauder money. this is the stated policy of the u.s. treasury is that some 30% of real estate transactions merit skrutfully because of possible money laundering. > he becomes -- the role he plays for donald trump is not lawyer. that's key. what is his role? >> it's important to understand this. donald trump had lawyers who did litigation and. >> tons from them, armies of them. >> legal briefs and did all these things for him. what michael cohen did is he made deals. one of the things in our podcast is we have tape of him announcing a very early deal or sort of a middle of his term in trump world with georgia. he is somebody whose office was in a taxi garage now standing
next to the president of georgia announcing a big deal. this deal later collapses amid charges of money laundering and corruption and bank fraud. again you have this pattern wherever mike cohen goes these charges are around him. now, he is not charged. >> and i should say january 2017 he resigns from the trump work to become the personal attorney for the president which is interesting. i think we'll see that very relevant to the litigation an keeps going. andrea bernstein, thank you. >> thank you so much. >> still to come, the president's popularity consistently hovers in the same range. but there are new ominous signs for republicans the blue wave is growing. plus, the republican candidate for senate fresh out of prison. tonight's thing 1, thing 2 starts right after this. but we make more than our name suggests. we're an organic tea company. a premium juice company. a coconut water company. we've got drinks for long days. for birthdays.
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bumping in the 40s. not the worst. not like post charlottesville. all the stuff on polling looks like, bad but not catastrophic for republicans. maybe improving a little. if you look at fund-raising, political reports, special elections, the behavior of people like paul ryan, it looks like a disaster. >> candidate recruitment is something that would figure highly there. seeing quality and number of candidates the democrats have been able to recruit. something hard to gauge now. based on sheer numbers. some of the stories out there. su something that will reap the benefits of come november. >> which is accurate? >> i think democrats are in a good position heading into november. not something, democrats should be taking for granted. not a situation where democrats should repeat the mistakes of the past which is to say should not just be counting on getting by running anti-donald trump campaign. at every democratic canned date -- candidate will have to make proactive argument what they're
for and what they're hopefully my hope its that voters and democrats will respond. so much energy we see, marches are motivated by the desire of protesting being against something. at some point we have, have to harn er harness the energy in the direction of being in favor of something. >> not that i necessarily disagree with it. i think that is where the energy comes from. i don't worry about that as much. with each of the special elections you have seen, in many cases, the candidates have made an affirmative pitch to voters. they almost don't have to talk about donald trump, it is implicit. like, connor lamb didn't talk much about donald trump. heading on friday to arizona to write about the special election in congressional district 8. where again, you know you have all the people motivated by anti-trump animus. doesn't figure in. >> let me bracket that. the district opened up if i am not mistaken by the member of republican house leadership who
asked several female staff members. to be a surrogate, carry his children. have to resign for that. another thing. >> here is also the problem. we have to get through primaries first. always encouraging students. must vote. must vote. they turn around to me, for whom? why? take new york for instance. our primary for, you know congress is in june. there are so many people who aren't paying attention. the person who actually goes on the ballot, to go against a republican in november, may be some one that, you know in some cases isn't that attractive to a large percentage of voters. and that's also part of the frustrating piece that, that i find with younger voters that we keep saying, come in. come in. and, all the action happened in june. they may miss it actually. >> interesting too. because, republicans say this all the time. particularly about connor lamb. good luck getting connor lamb out of the primary? >> the other part of this that matters is -- well, to go back
to what i was saying before. they have to be in position they're voting for something. this its what i thought connor lamb did a good job of. republicans tried to spin the situation. connor lamb was playing republican light. that's not what connor lamb did. he was very affirmative. he made a point of clarifying his position on gun control to suggest he was in support of background checks. supportive of the labor movement. took a big risk, talked about the need to confront climate change. he is somebody on affirmative platform. aspiring candidate. he didn't spend all of his time running against donald trump. >> i think we also have to realize, district by district. unfortunately, the democrats are sometimes using blanket strategy. we talked about this. when there are people of color, women of color especially in a particular district. we can't keep chasing this x percent of white men who left during the reagan era to get them back into the party. love the people who actually turn out, who registered democrats who have a proven track record in the past, three, four elections that will come
out in a primary especially in a general, because they're already mote va motivated. >> we are going to have a lot of women. i am not usually an optimistic woman. in a state of gloom and deep spare. if you look at the people running, right. you have so many, you have record numbers of women. record numbers of women of color. right. you do have, i think, to some extent, a slate of candidates that reflects the democratic base. the slate of candidates willing to step up and run in places where often kramt cardemocrats have a candidate at all. they're able to pour all their heart and some. force republicans. paul ryan, this district. don't think it looks that good for democrats. republicans are having to pour $1 million into it. paul ryan is hosting a fund raiser. yeah. in arizona. they didn't even used to run anybody in this district. they're draining resources. >> people are running in the districts. i'm not confident the democratic party its putting resources
behind the candidates to help them in the particular districts. we saw what happened when independent expenditure put in $1 million in the doug jones roy moore. 98% of black women turning out. $23 million to chase down white men sort of on the fence. i think we need institutional structure to financially support of the people. >> that's what is making it happ happen. indivisible. >> seeing transmitted in the different races. bear down. look at who is manning phone ban banks. >> working family parties across the country. >> two factors we should, cover here. you alluded to it. money. republicans are actually going to outspend democarts this time around. for all the advantages around the national narrative. we do not have the advantage when it comes to money. a republican advantage. where there is a democratic advantage. not enjoyed by the minority party, is we are going to be in a message vierenvironment.
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interview with former governor terry mcauliffe. we'll talk about everything from the russia investigation to the healthf his party when he joins me live onset. but first, the start of this week, believe it or not, marks 500 days of the trump administration, and the mueller investigation rolls on with it. this sunday morning we were presented with an evolving posture from the white house. there was the scripture of a secret legal memo that "the new york times" revealed, and then there was the sermon of how rudy giuliani framed it on the sunday shows. the document written by john dowd and jayekulow before giuliani joined the team asserts that the president could end the special counsel investigation, doesn't need to sit for an interview with robert mueller, could ignore a subpoena, and depending on how you interpret it, could potentially even pardon himself. but pressed to defend those claims, rudy giuliani was not exactly preaching fire and brim stone. >> you're making a case that he didn't obstruct or are you making a case a president cannot
obstruct justice? >> well, i don't like -- you know, i'm a lawyer. i'm sort of a conservative lawyer in a legal sense and i don't like going into an argument you don't have to get to. you might want to say he has very broad powers. >> do you and the president's attorneys believe the president has the power to pardon himself? >> he's not, but he does. he has no intention of pardoning himself. he probably does. doesn't say he can't. i mean that's another really interesting constitutional margin. can the president pardon himself. >> it's not going to happen. >> why put it in the memo? is this a veiled threat to mull er? you push it do too far, we can end your probe. >> you're not asking the guy who wrote the memo. >> fair enough. >> i'm not sure i would have written that, chuck. i think it's a hollow, sort of a hollow promise. >> almost impractical. the president of the united states pardoning himself would just be unthinkable.
and it would, it would lead to probably immediate impeachment. >> but as with everything, what it really comes down to is what the president believe. joining me onset,ngton anchor for bbc news katty kay, msnbc political analyst robert costa. yamiche alcindor. "the new york times" and msnbc contributor charlie savage. andoining me from new york i ce for edelman and msnbc contributor steve schmidt and his debut on "kasie d.c." steve, it's great to have you. great to have all my panel here in d.c. as well. charlie savage, i want to start with you on this because you were part of the team that unveiled what we have now been talking about all weekend which is this behind the scenes memo. we've been picking apart kind of the details of this, but we were talking right before we went on the air about what you think the most important broad take away here is and that is the sweeping
constitutional challenges here. >> that's right. so, this memo is a top to bottom set of, you know, legal claims, factual claims, arguments why he didn't obstruct justice, couldn't have obstructed jus and so forth. but the one that's really breath taking and that makes all the rest of them not matter if it's true is this vision of a president who wields absolute unrevealable control over the justice department, over the machinery of the federal law enforcement, as a result he can shutdown or director close any investigation he wants and he can pardon anyone he wants, even if the evidence shows that his motivation for doing so was corrupt and self-serving. it doesn't matter congress's law of obstruction of justice can't touch the president. the implications of that are so profound. it hearkens back to the nixonian, he can't do it because it would be illegal in our society. >> right. >> it's not just a defense, you
know. being used as a defense here, well, i didn't do this bad thing, you can't come after me for it. but if that is true, it is justification for offensive use of the justice department, too. as he's threatened to do, he can open an investigation -- >> start an investigation into an enemy. >> irs audits or whatever. and that's -- the law cannot touch him. the law has nothing to say about that. it's impeachment or nothing and that's the system of american government we live in according to the lawyers who are whispering in the ear of the president of the united states. >> steve schmidt, i enjoyed your twitter thread last night on thistopic. care to take us through what your view is of thi memo? >> well, this is a very serious moment and, kasie, we have to look at this in a couple of different aspects. first, this is a president who lies constantly. thousands of times on the year. in fact, the liza cumulating seem to suggest that objective truth is being challenged by
this president. that what's true is what the leader believes is true, or tells us is true despite what reality may or may not be. secondly, we have a president who routinelybout locking up political opponents. talks about locking up journalists. talks about locking up anybody who disagrees with him. and lastly, this memo declares, i am the law, above the law, that the president, if he so chooses as charlie pointed out, can use the justice department to investigate political opponents, and that there is no boundary to the execution of the president's power. and we have to understand how an thi -- antithetical that is and how deeply unamerican it is. the greatness of george washington was that he was the first person in thousands of years who could have been a king, could have been an emperor, and he said, no, i will be a president with limited
powers. and after a time of service, i'll go home. he established a precedent that the institution is bigger than the man, that the system is bigger than the office, and that the constitutional democracy bequeathed to all of us by our founders and paid for with the blood of patriots for 200 plus years. donald trump is asserting that he's no longer a president, but, in fact, a king whose powers are unlimited. that is the plain meaning of this legal memo. it is the singularly most disturbing thing ever articulated by an agent of a president of the united states with regard to presidential power, far exceeding any claims that richard nixon once made about the power of his office. >> katty kay, what's your view on what steve is laying out right there? >> it's not exactly government by the people or government for the people, right? the concept that's laid out in
this message. you don't even have to go back as far as the war of independence to see the anomalies in what the trump legal team is proposing here. there are plenty of republican senators who in the late '90s decided that actually a president could be charged with obstruction of justice. jeff sessions being one of them who also said that president clinton had said that he was not the subject of the civil legal system because he was president of the united states. and jeff sessions' view was the supreme court did not agree with that as an argument. so, yes, this is an anomaly in the american system of -- >> especially an american exceptionalism rests on that idea of george washington and the way the rest of the world sees this. >> i'm not sure the monarch of great britain would put themselves as being the law and above the law in the way that the president is -- >> certainly the people of britain wouldn't go along with that this day and age. bob costa, let's explore a little bit trump's legal team. it's evolved.
rudy giuliani was not one of the authors of that memo, he's new to the team since. how are the dynamics playing out? he didn't want to take the memo to its logical conclusion. if you read between the lines, you look at it, could be interpreted to say the president could pardon himself in the event that there was a crime that mueller were to charge him with. giuliani says, no, no, no, we're never going to go there. that would be political suicide. >> inside of the president's legal team, going back months whether it was john dowd or now mayor giuliani, you had this belief that the president could dance between the raindrops on the russia collusion aspect of this special federal investigation. at the same time, they have always been worried about the obstruction of justice aspect of this investigation. so, when you go to this memo that charlie and his colleagues sharply reported today, you go back to how giuliani has been on tv talking through, it's really about countering the idea of obstruction of justice and how do they do that. they started time and again by talking about executive power rmt.
as long as they underscore that the isn't in the clear. >> it's a different strategy than collusion. on the collusion side they a cert no collusion, no collusion, no collusion. in this instance they seem to be laying out a legal argument. >> the president's conduct is under scrutiny with the obstruction of justice piece. when it comes to the trial of former campaign chairman of paul manafort, we didn't really know paul. he wasn't really involved for a long time or george papadopoulos, he was just a coffee fetcher on the campaign. they can move away from the individuals who were really under scrutiny under the russia interference part, but this is -- the report that's likely to come out this summer if the president does or does not sit for an interview with mueller is about his duct. >> yamiche, one thing that stuck out to me in giuliani's series of interviews, he kept saying it would be impossible, he would never go there. i want to play a little bit. we have sound of chris christie and dan abrams talking about this on abc and then i'll ask you about it.
>> he left open the possibility of the president pardoning himself even though he doesn't expect him to do it he would have the right to do it. >> there's no way it would happen. it would become a political pardon. if the president were to pardon himself he'll get impeached. >> i think it would be outrageous for a sitting of the president -- if the president decide he decided he was going to pardon himself that's self-executing impea impeachment. whether there is an argument they can make, that's not what the framers intend. that's what the american people would be able to stand for. >> the president's lawyer also saying it would be politically impossible for us -- for the president to pardon himself. it reminded me of, you know, this president when he was running for office said, you know, i could shoot people on 5th avenue, my supporters would still be with me. there does seem to be a calculation we haven't been able to figure out where that line is. what can this president do that would cause people to turn against him? there seems to be a consensus that pardoning himself would, in fact, cross that line.
>> well, i'll say two things. the first is this also reminds me of czsarah sanders, is he gog to fire mull er? we wouldn't be in this kind of crisis. there is a line there they would draw now. there is a president who is trying to keep onto his political will and trying to get his supporters not completely abandon him. they are hedging on the idea pardoning myself would be pretty terrible. however, when i talk to people who say would this president go to jail or pardon himself, who among us, if you had the power just as a human being to keep yourself out of prison or to stay in office and hope that maybe after you get out of office you might actually be charged with a crime, who wouldn't pardon themselves? to me as a reporter it is in some ways common sense. sources close to the president are true. they say this is not something the president would want to do. this is not something he's looking into. but i just think that if the president, i think, most people i've talked to think that he would pardon his son, his
son-in-law, that if he is backed up against the wall and has a case against him, why wouldn't he pardon himself? >> katty kay, i'm not sure there is isn't a line this president wouldn't be willing to cross. >> yeah, i mean, the point about his supporters, you know, abandoning him, the evidence is his supporters are growing when it comes to public opinion on the whole russia investigation and the number of people who feel this is politically motivated. whether they are winning the legal case here, they are certainly winning the public opinion case. if this is going to be a political issue, american voters increasingly believe there is an element of witch hunt about this. over 50% now believe this is politically motivated and that's critical for the president. it's working for him. >> that's a point that is so right. this white house looks as it as a public battle. talking about -- >> as president clinton did. >> as president clinton did. look what happened to the 1998
elections. the democrats thought the republic kands ov republicans overplayed their hands. he hasn't crossed the line yet by firing mueller or rosenstein. you talk to people who know the president, he still feels burned after firing director james comey. >> interesting. steve schmidt, what's your view on what the president might be willing to do here or not? to bob's point, he hasn't fired rosenstein. he hasn't fired bob mueller. pardoning himself it seems like would be the next kind of iteration of that. but again, you know, i still -- i still feel like the whims of this president go back and forth so wildly, eye ni'm not convincs staff can keep him on track. >> his behavior will be increasingly erratic. i think he'll burn everything down to save himself. i think that his desperation has become more clear as this investigation has moved closer
to the oval office. fundamentally, this letter is deserving of a response from every elected official i this country who has taken an oath of fidelity to the constitution of the united states. the legal argument is an assault on the concepts of the american republic and on the concepts of liberal democracy. it is that serious. and what we know for sure is there won't be a single republican member of congress who lays out an argument tomorrow morning that says, this is too far. this is a dangerous argument. this is an anti-american argument. and his strategy is quite clear. donald trump is using mass rallies where he lies throughout them to incite a base to a level of fervor where they suspend what is clearly true before their eyes, where they accept truth as what the leader says is true, and where they join together in a shared sense of
victimization. this is all out of autocrat 101. it is fundamentally illiberal. whether it's poland, hungary, the rise of nationalist parties in germany, in england, in france, the tactics are exactly the same. and it is disturbing to see it playing out in the united states of america in the political leadership of this country, whether they are republicans, democrats, liberals or conservatives. if you have fidelity to liberal democracy, it is important, i think, to speak out and reject the premise of this argument which is as far out there as anything we've ever seen in the country's history with regard to the power of the president. the president of the presidency in our system is constrained. it's checked. there are three co-equal branches of government. this is an assault on that concept and i think this president would do anything --
anything -- to save himself or to save family members from this investigation which at every single stage has proven that whatever this administration has said is going on in fact has proven not to be the case. >> i'm glad you raise that because 're going to start talking about it that here in a couple of minutes. when we continue, another revelation from the memo, the president did work on that statement splarning his son's meeting with the russian lawyer in trump tower. plus, the on again/off again summit with kim jong-un is on for now, but is the president falling into the same pattern bill clinton did years ago? later as the antiestablishment movement takes power in italy, one of the fathers of it here in the u.s. says maybe now isn't the best time after all. "kasie d.c." back right after this. they're all going in the same direction but in very different ways and pampers gives all of them our driest best fitting diaper. pampers cruisers with three-way fit.
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time that the president did, in fact, dictate a statement about that now infamous trump tower meeting between his eldest son and a russian lawyer. that original statement claimed the focus of the sit-down was russian adoption. of course, e-mails later revealed that trump junior's real motivation for taking the meeting was to obtain damaging information about hillary clinton. you may also recall that after reports of the meeting first surfaced, the white house repeatedly denied that the president had any involvement in the drafting of that statement. >> the president was not -- did not draft the response. the response was -- came from donald trump, jr., and i'm sure in consultation with his lawyer. i do want to be clear, the president was not involved in the drafting of the statement. >> the president didn't sign off on anything. he was coming back from the g20. the statement that was released on saturday was released by donald trump, jr., i'm sure in consultation with his lawyers. the president wasn't involved in that. >> he certainly didn't dictate, but, you know, like i said, he
weighed in, offered suggestion like any father would do. >> just to be clear, all of those statements -- not true. this morning one of the president's closest allies in congress house majority leader kevin mccarthy was asked about those repeated denials from the white house. >> mr. leader, are you bothered by the fact the white house lied about the president's involvement here? >> look, one thing i have found, this has gone on for more than a year. millions of dollars have been spent. the white house has been cooperating all the way through. this was all based upon was there collusion involved in the election. everyone has looked at this says there's no collusion going forward. >> mr. leader, i understand those are the talking points. but this is a specific question. are you concerned that the white house -- you heard the sound bites, you saw the statement from his own lawyers. they lied. does that concern you? >> they can go on with the investigation. what i was concerned most about, like most americans, was there
any collusion. there was no collusion. >> so, briefly setting aside kevin mccarthy not engaging on that question at all, charlie savage, what's the reason for the legal team to do this, put this in this memo? they clearly feel they needed to sit the record straight in some way, otherwise it seems harmful. >> right. that's a chris christie marco rubio moment not being able to get off the talking point and think in real time. right, so, the context in the memo was as you have received in testimony from other people. they knew it was up. people who had been in the airplane told mueller what really happened so they couldn't not acknowledge it in the missive to mueller. they had to explain it away some other way. the fact jay sekulow signed that letter means he has known he misled the public for at least since january. maybe he didn't know it when he said those things last summer and he let the record go uncorrected. that's on him now as a
credibility statement. just to finish the thought, so their argument is look, it's not a crime to lie to "the new york times." at the end of the day we lied to "the new york times." >> sure, they are still talking to the american people, though. >> they are evading why bob mueller would care. he c because if this -- this is trump's personal actions. this isn't the people around him. and if trump is showing that he has the desire to cover up the truth about certain contacts between his campaign and russia in that interaction, that goes to whether maybe that was his intention when he did other things that mueller is looking at. it goes to whether he might have had a corrupt motive when he was pressuring comey over flynn, when he fired comey over other things as well. there is a legal reason for prosecutors to be very interested in that, even if it's not a crime in and of itself to lie to the public or the times. >> when you think about why the president so far has declined to do an interview with bob mueller, it's to charlie's point, is that they don't want to have the president in a situation where he has to
explain or talk through his intent. did he have corrupt or criminal intent? as sarah sanders said during her remarks, he was just a father weighing in on the process. that's the white house's perspective on the exchange. but when you're sitting in front of a federal prosecutor and federal investigator, a perspective is not enough. you have to talk through your intent. that's why you have rudy giuliani, the former new york mayor out there every day saying it would have to be so narrow about the questions because they see a risk if the president is in that kind of situation. >> if you remember, the white house's stance and the president's stance has been that don junior, donald trump, jr., when he was going to that meeting to hopefully in his mind get information about hillary clinton from russian informants or russian officials, that he'd never talked to his father about that. so you have his father now admitting i was involved in crafting a statement about a meeting that i supposedly never knew about and didn't really talk to anybody about. so there is this idea that is also crucial.
you're arguing you don't know anything about this while also covering it up. >> steve schmidt, i want to talk to you about kevin mccarthy for a minute. not only did he not call out the obvious lying that happened from the administration, but he also was pressed on the broad executive powers that are laid out in this memo that you have essentially said would be the powers of a king. and he potentially the next speaker of the house, potentially the leader of a co-equal branch of government did not push back at all. >> it gives me no pleasure to say this. i've known kevin mccarthy for a long time and i consider him a friend. but he disqualified himself for the speakership of the house. at the end of the day, if one of the parties wants to make a monkey, the ma jordjority leadem pretty indefinite rent to it. the speaker is a constitutional officer, third in line to the office of the president of the united states. what you saw was a partisan there. somebody who would do anything, complete servility, above the
constitution, above the system of checks and balances, above the rule of law. it's disgraceful to watch it. let me just say a couple of things. we saw jay sekulow there stone cold liar. nothing that man ever says again on national television should be taken seriously. of course, we already know that about sarah sanders and of course the president. but with regard to the question of collusion, of course there was collusion. the collusion took place when the president's son-in-law, his son, and his campaign chairman met with representatives with close ties to the russian intelligence services and to the kremlin for the purposes of receiving dirt on the democratic nominee for president of the united states. that's not an attack on hillary clinton or the democratic party. that is an attack on the united states of america, our sovereignty, and our elections process.
this is what george washington warned the country about in his farewell address, was foreign interference. and there was only one appropriate response. when these people were contacted by a hostile foreign power to give dirt to the -- to their campaign about the democratic nominee, and that was to call the director of the fbi, period, full stop. and to see kevin mccarthy up there being complicit in the lying, i'm troubled about it. stuttering around on this collusion issue is shameful. it is shameful. >> katty kay? >> mccarthy is looking at tray gowdy and thinking, when you do speak out and you say anything that is critical of the president's position, the president's lawyers' position on the fbi investigation, what do you get within the republican party and potentially within voters? resounding silence. or attacks. and you go back to your district
and you hear that actually people are much more in line with what kevin mccarthy is saying than what tray gowdy is saying. >> kevin mccarthy has his own personal reasons. he's one of the members of congress closest to trump. charlie savage, thank you for your thoughts tonight. appreciate it. when wecontinue, governor terry mcauliffe is standing by. he joins me live onset up next.
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change california now is responsible for the content of this advertising. welcome back to "kasie d.c." joining me now onset for a "kasie d.c." exclusive is former democratic governor of virginia terry mcauliffe. governor, great to see you again onset. >> great to be here. >> i want to talk about the russia investigation. there's been increasing criticism and frustration among some democrats i talk to that the democratic party as a whole is not handling the push back to this investigation correctly. obviously there was a conversation about impeachment and democratic leadership and you on this show have come out and said look, we can't have that conversation until after mueller's report comes out. however, there are some who argue that you aren't necessarily effectively pushing a message that could resonate with voters about collusion. you're not raising questions
about the strategy that giuliani is displaying where he is swaying public opinion, casting doubts about the vision. should democrats be doing more to try to insist -- to defend mueller's credibility? >> i think first of all, the news about collusion is out every day. now we have this 20-page plus memo that's now come out where the president either his lawyer lied or he told his lawyer to lie or -- it just doesn't make sense so he should fire his lawyer. he said that he didn't have anything to do with it. this memo says he was involved in the drafting of the memo so there was no question there was collusion. i mean, there was a meeting in trump tower with the president's son with campaign advisors, with russians saying we're going to give you dirt on hillary. i don't know how else you would define collusion. the issue is what did the president know. that's what they're trying to find out today. he says he had nothing to do with the meeting, didn't know anything about it. now we're finding out new details today. but that's how -- every single day, i think what the democratic message, what we've got to lean in on, why ve for a democrat.
look what we did in virginia. record number of jobs created. took unemployment from 5.4 down to 3.6. billions dollars of new investment, largest investment in k-12 in virginia history. voters want to know what we're actually going to do forthem look what happened this week in virginia. we got medicaid expansion done. >> i was going to ask you about that. >> one rinne reason, only reason, we picked up 15 house delegate seats in november of 2017. that was the largest pickup since 1880. and thank goodness we picked it up and now 400,000 people are going to get health care. ralph northam, governor northam, my lieutenant governor is going to sign that bill. elections matter. >> that is a concrete policy victory in the wake of the beginning of what could be a blue wave. >> wouldn't have happened, would not have happened had we not picked up 11 of the 15 were women. women are driving this election. we started in november '17. records pilkd cked up.
that's going to translate. what are we going to do? we have an infrastructure bill. we have to deal with health care. cassie, umenyiora seen premiums go up in state after state n. virginia they're going up as high as 64% increase. these are iguodabig issues. we have teachers walking out rightfully so because they're not being paid enough. the democratic message is what are we going to do for you. that's what voters want from us. in virginia, why did we win? we had four great years of economic prosperity. everybody was happy. we had a great message and we gave people results. >> do you think that can eaktgh? tom who has been a progressive favorite in your state has written lately saying local media is not as prominent as it used to be. people are getting their news nationally. there is not enough -- there is not coverage of your democratic messaging on health care, on all these other issues. it's all trump all the time. do you not need to be pushing back with a stronger trump-related message? >> i think the anti-trump message is out there. the president helps us every single day with that message.
but look, all i can tell you is look what we did in virginia in november of '17. we swept the statewide offices. that was about turnout on our positive message, building upon the great record we had four years in virginia. everybody was happy. we had results. jobs, economic development, 10 billion we put into transportation, reformed our education system. our argument has to be what are we going to do for them. we win on our progressive message of what we stand for, economic empowerment, protecting people's rights. you know, when i ran for governor five years ago, republicans controlled all three statewides. only 33 democrats out of 100 in our house of delegates. when i left office, all democrats statewides and we had 49 out of 100. huge pickup. why? a positive message. the trump stuff out there, tell what we're going to do. >> i want to switch gears. bill clinton responded to senator kiersten gillibrand.
she said he should have stepped down after the monica lewinsky scandal. >> the tolerance we had 25 years ago, what was allowed 25 years ago will not be tolerated today, is not allowed today, and that we have to have the kind of o r oversight and accountability society needs so we can protect people in the workplace, so people can function without having an unsafe work environment. >> so you're saying if bill clinton were president today and those incidents were unfolding today -- >> it would be a very different conversation, exactly. >> well, i disagree with her. i think, you know, you have to really ignore what the context was. but, you know, she's living in a different context and she did it for different reasons, so i -- but i just disagree with her. >> he said that the contexts were different. but given what we know now and the way this movement has unfolded, should bill clinton have resigned over the monica
lewinsky scandal? >> this was 25 years ago, it was difficu different standards. i think people looked at it in totality, 26 million -- he made a horrible -- >> why were they different standards? >> i'm saying at the time we dealt with this 25 years ago, it wasn't the standards we have today. i think if it happened today, i think you'd be having the same argument that would go on with the me too movement. but 25 years ago, as i say, it was a different standard. >> do you think the clintons victimized monica lewinsky in that, do you think the way they dealt with her would be tolerable today? >> no, i don't. i think it was a horrible thing 25 years ago. as you know, we're very good friends. i told the president back then it was a horrible thing. i wrote about it in my book. he paid a horrible price, he paid a horrible personal price, he paid a horrible political price. people looked at the totality the things he accomplished when he was in office, people made a decision back then they had gone too far. as you know, we picked up a
senate seat in 1998 because they felt the republicans had way overstepped their bounds with ken starr and all the different things that had gone on, too. clearly the behavior was horrible and wrong and i told the it was wrong. >> do you think the presidents are at risk of overstepping with president trump in a similar way were there to be a politically motivated i7 motivated impeachment of this president? >> i don't want to see a political impeachment. i've said to you and others, democrats shouldn't spend time talking about impeachment. they should talk about what they're going to do for you. mueller is doing the investigation. let him come out with the report. then people make decisions. i don't think we ought to be second guessing. i don't think we ought to hypothesize about what is going to happen. let the mueller report come out. i go back to the point democrats win on an agenda. people are with us on the issues, treating people with dignity and respect. as you know, cassie, when i was governor i vetoed 120 horrible bills.
antiwomen, antilgbt. pro gun antivoting rights. most vee totoes of any governor virginia history. record job growth, record investment education. they want results from us. as i say, everything with trump is out there, but let mueller do his investigation and we can go from there. >> i ask you this every time i have thank you r you, but really quickly, are you running for president in 2020? >> i hope no democrat will answer that question because i am working my heart out. i just was in louisiana and texas and michigan last couple weeks talking about how we take a red state like virginia and we convert it into a blue state. why? all the things i have just talked to you about. we have a lot of time. i think our party, cassie, for too long has made a big mistake. they spend too much time on the presidency and we forget about state and local. we have 36 governors up this year. those 36 governors will be in the chairs in 2021 when the new census and they redraw every line in america. we traditionally have not been in the game on t. i'm work ing with eric holder now making sure
we have fair maps. that's what people want. people at home, they want results. they want people to do things. they want their life to be better. we can help them do t. sitting around talking to me talking about trump as governor would not help one virginiian. traveling the five continents and 35 trade missions, doing $91 billion in trade -- >> you have it down. even if you're not willing to say it yet. >> let's wait in '18. >> thank you for being here. always appreciate it. still to come, the state of play with korea. "kasie d.c." back after this. [music playing] (vo) from day one, we always came through for our customers. it's how we earned your trust. until... we lost it. today, we're renewing our commitment to you. fixing what went wrong. and ending product sales goals for branch bankers. so we can focus on your satisfaction. it's a new day at wells fargo. but it's a lot like our first day. wells fargo. established 1852.
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katty kay? >> after the car crash. >> hopefully everyone will come out alive. where do they stand here? and how nervously are our american allies watching this kind of back and forth between trump and kim jong-un? >> certainly if you're in south korea you're watching it nervously because the prospect that it could be back off again and tensions could ratchet up again worries them a lot. already what we're seeing is that the north koreans have quite a lot out of this. they're getting a photo opportunity. they've got divisions within the alliance of south korea, china, and america when it comes to maximum pressure. that's eased tensions in north korea substantially. and they're starting to see an uptick in aid and sanction busting financial flows into the country as well. so, it's hard to see that the president hasn't given away a lot in terms of the summit without getting very much up front in return and that's exactly what bill clinton was, you know, the reason bill clinton didn't have a summit with the north koreans back at the end of the 1990s because he
wanted the denuclearization to come first. trump has flipped that model. we'll see if he gets the end goal afterwards. >> even the picture of trump smiling with kim yong ol is some some ways -- >> wait until it's kim jong-un. >> right. bob costa, do you read anything into bolton not attending the planned summit? there's been some behind the scenes friction there. >> a lot of the wanes world reference. bohemian rhapsody when they're singing it in the car the greatest scene from the movie. but when you think about the national security advisor, he's not in the meeting, the vice-president is not in the meeting, based on conversations with white house officials this weekend, they say those officials were playing the bad cop role in the negotiations, taking a harder line, secretary of state pompeo, the president took a different tact in the negotiations. this is an historic moment that may not lead on june 12th to denuclearization or any kind of firm commitment. but if it ends the korean war, if it establishes diplomatic ties, they're trying to begin
the sale now to say to the american people and u.s. allie that that's enough, that's the start of a process. >> so, yamiche, you cover the white house every day. do they see this as -- are they at the point they feel like this will be america can come out of this having won something significant, even if they don't get to total denuclearization? >> i think that the president himself feels like -- i don't know if america would have wanted something. i think the president feels a as though if he sits down, he can say i've gone farther -- >> is it more about him than the country at large? >> the people i've talked to think the president thinks it's in the country's best interest to sit down with kim jong-un. i think that the president also wants to be seen as a president who did more than other presidents and as a result when you have these pictures, some people might say, okay, north korea is getting to be able to have this image with an american president, but president trump is also going to be able to taking a victory lap saying, look at all the things i did. and, by the way, that letter he said, hey, i'm going to layout -- i'm going to cancel
this, he's telling north korea i don't really need this. i think the perception brought from people after reading the letter was president trump was ready to give this all up because he didn't -- it wasn't that important to him. now that it's back on he can make the now that it'sack on, he can say i didn't really need it, they came crawling to me, and look at all the things i've gotten. i think it's very clear that they don't have an understanding of what denuclearization will mean to north korea long term. >> most people like the idea that we're talking rather than promising fire and fury. if you're really going to lift the maximum pressure that has taken an awful lot of time and effort and coordination to get us into a position where there's max numb maximum pressure, are you giving a lot away to have them sit down. just ahead, we're going to talk about changes and fractures in the party. more on kasie d.c. in just a
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job numbers and markets continue to be relatively strong, and over the last since months, democrats have seen their lead slashed in the polls with the generic congressional ballot. and at the same time, there hey be fading enthusiasm behind fringe republican candidates. people are starting to realize that the anti-establishment thing is a luxury we can't afford right now. that quote comes from steve bannon. yes, that steve bannon. in an interview with jeremy peters. steve schmitt, i want to talk about this a little bit with you. i was surprised to hear bannon quoted as saying this. you know, this is a guy who said we're going to make sure mitch mcconnell is not majority leader anymore and talking about chris mcdaniel in mississippi who had been an insurgent candidate. do you feel like republicans in washington are pulling things back together in the face of the midterms? >> i wouldn't say that they're pulling things back together, although i do believe that their electoral outlook has improved.
that the size of the blue tsunami, such as it is, and we saw some of these extraordinary results in the special elections, i think it's dissipating. one of the reasons i think it's t dissipating is that donald trump is breaking the will of a lot of democratic voters to hang in there and resist, because they are worn out by the lack of fighting spirit by so much of the democratic leadership in washington, d.c. and the inability to stand up and oppose trump. i think it's more likely than not that we see a turnover. >> what to you mean about the lack of ability to stand up? are you talking about the impeachment question? >> to make an argument, a ferocious argument based on american ideas and ideals and the threat that this president poses to them. there is not a united effort, i think, that is breaking through the den of all of the day's news
to inspire and motivate and keep the intensity in the democratic base, and i think as a result you see narrowing. as a strategic proposition, you can defeat an opponent by conquering them, think the allies against germany or you can defeat an opponent by breaking their will to resist and fight. think the united states in the vietnam war. so the degree to which trump exhausts his opponents, he wears them out, that people become demoralized, that theyon't see a response in fighting fashion from democratic leadership, i think in part, that shows responsible for some of the narrowing that we're seeing. we're seeing a decrease in enthusiasm. >> a point that i think a lot of democrats are increasingly making to me privately. thanks so much. hope to see you back soon. >> when we continue, we will talk exclusively to the mayor of san juan as hurricane season approaches and a new report reveals that in reality,
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the answers. what this means is the end of the trump presidency and not the united states tis. -- itself. nothing is as momentus as this. don junior's meeting with a russian lawyer. who knew about this meeting? what were they wearing when they met? it's on the questions like these that the face of nations hang. the huffing and the puffing. >> that puts donald trump in a conspiracy on this issue before the fact. that evidence on its face, if it was supported would be an impeachable offense. >> he had prior knowledge the russians were seeking to do this and gave them a green light. >> until now we have not had a smoking gun that placed donald trump sr. the presidency in the
same people in congress who spent 3 years investigating who wrote the talking points would have hearing after hearing. congress needs to do its job and have a hearing. >> tucker: we know the russian government aided the clinton campaign by giving false information to christopher steele. >> we don't know that. >> tucker: they testified before congress that he did. >> christopher steele was paid to get information. >> tucker: from the russians. where do you think it came from? >> from where were he could get it from. he was not given direction -- >> tucker: we don't know that. hold on. you don't know that. we know for a fact he got -- >> overlight overweight. -- [overlapping talking]. >> tucker: that's not a big deal? this is a farce. i am sick of playing along with
congress needs to have an investigation to know what went on. >> tucker: to get to the bottom of what chuck schumer was talking about. >> we could have the truth. what chuck was talking about. do. that we want a hearing right now. >> [overlapping talking]. >> we want an investigation of what happened in 2016. >> tucker: okay. should we have paid a foreign national to get dirt from the russians, shouldn't we have a hearing about that? or is that outside of the scope of the hearing because it would not help your party. this is all partisan crap. let's get real. >> they already had numerous hearings about this the steele dossier but not what donald trump jr. said to his dad. we know donald trump jr. told his dad about that. >> tucker: really? how do you know that? have you talked to them?
>> [overlapping talking]. >> tucker: how often do you assert things as facts that you don't know as facts. you say we know something that we don't really know. is that a tactic you use? >> i think it's my own opinion. let me clarify. >> tucker: so you have no idea but you are guessing. okay. >> donald trump jr. would it would don sr. [overlapping talking]. he would probably tell him. >> tucker: based on your intimate of the trump family. this is getting too crazy for me. people should stop pretending this is real when it's fake. we know it's fake. we know that! [laughing]. chris, good to see you. don joins us now.
i am starting to conclude, dan, that we are actually complicit in this insanity by playing along with it. when someone paid money to a foreign national to get dirt from the russians accuses someone else of colluding with the russians you should not take it seriously. why we are adding to the craziness pretending this is real? >> i don't know. i like chris off the air a lot. he is a great guy, but we are all dumber. we may have lost 10 iqpoints. you noticed how he scrambled when you asked him a simple question. this is a complicated case. we are all adding to the madness. we can't figure out how in one case was the crime of the century a meeting between trump's kid and a couple of russians.
one connected to the lawyers and another to fusion gps that the clintons hired. they show up and pass no information about actual russians or collusion. that's the crime of the century. but actual russians who put together information according to their own dossier who passed it to the clinton team which was used, tucker, to spy on an american citizen and take down a presidency, nothing to see here, folks. ignore that but pay attention to this meeting. this is insane. i can't believe we are having this conversation. >> tucker: i should also note that we learned recently if you have any questions about what the government did spying on the private american citizen, you dan, are unpatriotic for asking questions. it's wrong to question the official narrative, got it?
>> this whole case is based on the dossier. michael cohen's tweet about the dossier. he called it a lie filled document. their star witness calls it a lie filled document. comey called it salacious and unverified. the head of the division investigating the case said it was in its infancy in verfavics. -- verification. it sounds like a winner. this sounds like a great case. you knocked it out of the park. >> tucker: [laughing]. i don't want to be mean, but i can't imagine how you could wind up with michael cohen as your personal lawyer. whoever is running the trump hr department needs to be fired. you would not hire michael cohen as your lawyer. dan, great to see you. >> yes, sir. >> tucker: one of the biggest
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intentional. this congressman was conservative shadow banned by twitter and filed a complaint against the company. congressman. thanks for coming on. first, you are certain this happened to you and it was intentional? >> well, i am certain there were only 4 members of congress who had their voices suppressed on twitter. that would be one hell of a coincidence. my suspicion if people were communicating a conservative message they were caught in twitter's troll tap. i think that's illegal because it gives advantages to our political opponents and gives them access to a flat form we don't have. -- platform we don't have. if they were a billboard company that would be illegal. here it's at auto-fill-in
function that was not available to me and nunes, meadows or jim jordan and it's available to democrats. >> tucker: you believe the fec can remedy this? >> they can absolutely institute fiance against any company that makes a corporate donation. here the donation is allowing democrats and people running against me to have access to element of the search feature i didn't have access to. why? twitter said it was my behavior that resulted in this. i don't know what behavior that is. do we trust tech companies to just decide with no trance transparency to limit access. >> tucker: twitter is a small player. it's a failing company anyway. google dominates tech.
it's the portal through which almost all human information flows. if google with held information that would have a huge effect. congress exists to make sure the pub interest is represented. i have not heard a member of congress say we will get to the bottom of this. why not? >> well, members of congress don't understand the gravity of the issue. now we have the targets drawn on our foreheads. you will see more engagement from the congress coming from. a libertarian might ask why should i not just leave twitter? twitter and other social media companies use the federal government to get rid of lawsuits they don't want to defend against and use a provision that requires them to hold themselves out as a neutral public forum. twitter and facebook can't say we are neutral and should not
have respond to lawsuits but tell me our behavior results in suppress on their platform. >> tucker: google as the monopoly and so does facebook and they continually suppress information. up next a law center is a sham group dedicateed to shaming enemies of the left. the fbi is collaborating with them. the story we have broken. we will tell you what we found next. just one free hearing test at
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>> tucker: you know if you had paid attention southern poverty law center is a fraudulent organization. it has nothing to do with the south and poverty. they are used to crush people. in 2012 they inspired a shooting attack on the family research counsel labelling them a hate group. last month they paid 3.3-million dollars for falsie calling a foundation anti-muslim extremist. we could go on. they lie. they are reckless and totally dishonest. with that in mind, it was shocking to discover as jaded as we are that the fbi has a long
history of collaborating with the southern poverty law center. the fbi called them an established, incredible organization that monitors domestic terrorism. they were allowed to brief the fbi on alleged terrorist threats. the fbi refuses to describe their collaboration with this group. we received mindless boilerplate statements like this one. quote, for many years the fbi engaged with various organizations. such outreach is critical for the fbi's mission and:
mindless pap that doesn't answer the question. congressman gates of florida sent a letter to the fbi leader asking him to explain their relationship with this group. tonight the doj gave us another statement. it said, quote: the found er wassed founder and labeled as an extremist. he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. it was partly from watching what they did to you that had us asking the question: to what extent are they involved
with the federal government? we discovered this. tell our viewers your experience with them? >> it's curious and fascinating at the same time. i have been born and raised a muslim. i spent my teenage years with an organization seeking to enforce the law in muslim majority society. i got raddicalized and was a political prisoner in egypt and it was in jail i reformed and changed my views and decided to challenge extremism. they compiled a list what have they deemed as anti-muslim extremist. the sheer oddity of placing a muslim on the list of anti-muslim extremists led me to
say i need justice. my entire life is defined about by struggle to find a place for muslims in the west that is at home in the west. it undermined by entire's life's work. i found it a step too far. that's why i went to a lawyer and took action. >> tucker: scores of people like you, i think you are one of the most reasonable people on this subject of anyone i interviewed. once this group defines you as an extremist that hurts your foundation. >> it's already hard enough for liberal muslim reformists to speak out against extremism. they are targeted and often killed. there was a similar list
published and many were knocked off by jihadists. a close friend was murdered on the streets of amsterdam. the list was stabbed into his body and named someone as being next. that's what we are up against. it placed me in grave danger and others in great danger. it also has material consequences. when they did what they did, the reason they produced these lists to convince the media and financial foundations not to give grants to these people or these organizations. it had that kind of material consequences for us as well. that's why we could not lie back and take this. we had to take action. >> tucker: i am glad you the fact that our fbi is
collaborating with this group is really scary. thank you very much on your account. congratulations on winning. >> thank you. >> tucker: solid economic news. the biggest singe quarter gain in 4 years. america needs good american growth to solve the problem of young people suffering under great debt burdens than their parents. they leave school with over $30,000 in loans to pay off. what do they get in exchange? not much. we talked to this woman about the growing debt crisis. what are the effects of this on the country? >> in the housing market is
delays the purchase of the first home for 7 years. that affects all of the economy because that person is not getting those additional 7 years of wealth accumulation. it affects the people selling their homeless. you are removing buyers from the equation. they have so much debt they can't buy a home. >> tucker: 1.5-trillion dollars is almost too big of a number to put in context. there are very few countries in the world with a gdp bigger than that. what would happen if baro -- bar start toad default? >> that's bigger than everything we owe on the car loans.
credit card debt is less than a trillion. if they default who will be left holding the bag? a big challenge can you can't get through bankruptcy and remove this debt like you can with everything else. you won't pay your credit card bill or mortgage or your home loan. you don't have a choice in bankruptcy to not pay student debt. >> tucker: i don't understand how that works. i wonder why student loan debt is exemented from bankruptcy protections. how did they get a pass on that? >> you could end it in bankruptcy until 1995. when congress made it all but impossible. they did exclude their own offspring. if you are the child of a member of congress you can extinguish
your student loan in bankruptcy court. >> tucker: for real? >> yes. >> tucker: that's unbelievable. was this a lobby operation where student loan lenders decided why would we want to face the risk of not getting our money back? >> the student loan lender is the federal government. you can't compete with the federal government. you see what the results of that is. this is like what we saw with sub-prime housing. what you saw was the government saying more and more people ought to own owns. -- homeless. they lowered the bar. that made the housing market shoot for the moon. they did the same thing here. with education. they want more people to get education. that's good but the way they about doing it is to make loans
more accessible like we did with homes. what happened? you have seen the price of that education has sky rocketed. for example, if you looked at from 1985 to today, where the cost of education has gone up 4 times that of just inflation in general, it's not like wages have been keeping up with that. >> tucker: they have not. >> in 1971, the cost of a one year of education in college cost a little less than half of what the average guys makes in a year. today it's shy of 2 year's worth. >> tucker: that's unbelievable. the quality of college education has plummeted. the meaning of a degree has evaporated. this is a scam. thanks a lot. one university is cracking down
on the phrase as you know. this college says it's offensive to students who may be confused. some cash back cards send you on a journey to get to your bonus cash back. first they make you sign up for bonus cash back and it's only on a few categories. and when those categories change, you gotta sign up again. when does it end?! with the capital one quicksilver® card, you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere. it's like a cash back oasis. what's in your wallet? ito take care of anyct messy situations.. and put irritation in its place. and if i can get comfortable keeping this tookus safe and protected... you can get comfortable doing the same with yours. preparation h. get comfortable with it.
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the liberal sherpa joins us tonight. cathy, thanks for coming on. i am often confused which is why i am grateful here to have you here. this one more than most. i thought starting a sentence with as you know would be a self-esteem booster, suggesting you already know this. it's bad for self-esteem? >> you are causing self-doubt because they i not know. i have self-doubt and would not do as well other students who may know. i feel another student feels something i don't know and the diversity department found that students found this phrase to be offensive and don't do as well in the classes.
as you know causes self-doubt. >> tucker: as you know, the research has shown there is a direct connection with low self-esteem does self-doubt. isn't it a reflection of reality? if you already knew, what are you doing in college? students are ignorant. that's why they are in school to become learned, right? >> it doesn't make sense for a professor to say "as you knnk" in a classroom. you should not use unnecessary words or phrases to make your point. using "as you know" is unnecessary. you are not communicating properly with your audience. they are urging the professors not to use this phrase. >> tucker: they are not urging it because they have a commitment to clear language.
>> yes. >> tucker: they can barely speak english. >> this is a diversity department urging this. >> tucker: everything i said times 5. it's more true. don't you want to patronnize your students and make them feel they know nothing? you want to highlight their ignorance because it will add to their thirst for knowledge? >> it's doing the opposite. at the university the students say "as you know" is causing self-doubt. no, we are not supposed to patronnize the students. we are supposed to fill them with confidence. there will be wonderful leaders in the future. we want a world like that. >> tucker: no, we have a lot of confident students. i interview them all the time. i would say we have too many
confident students. most students knownology, you should be insecure does silent as you learn. if a student is so undone by a professor saying "as you know," you are not ready for college? >> isn't it wonderful that students are speaking up and saying professors are speaking down to us and as a communicator it's not making sense. they don't feel confident and they are telling the university we will feel more confident if this phrase is eliminated. they are urging the professors to get with this new program. >> tucker: join the revolution
or be eaten. do you want to live in a world where college students are empowered to talk a lot, honestly? >> to speak up, yes. >> tucker: to give their opinions, speak up? be heard, do you want to live in that world? >> i want to live in a better world. i like the world that changes with the times. i don't want to live in a world -- >> tucker: i know you do. [laughing]. that's why we love you. that's why we are having you back on monday for a segment more confusing than this one. thank you very much. the fbi is supposedly protecting americans from crime. the next guest says the fbi's war on civil liberties made them a threat. you're turning onto the street
>> ♪ >> ♪ >> tucker: well, we have a public service announcement. we didn't expect to bring this to you. our crack control room spotted the creepy porn lawyer on cnn. they had the sound off. but it hurt our feelings. this is the fifth or 6th other tv network he's done. we asked him and he turns us down. creepy porn lawyer, you always have a home on our program any time. we will clear the decks for you. hope to see you toon. -- soon. the fbi has been trusted with enormous power. they can break down your front door and put you in jail. they are supposed to use these
powers to protect americans, but the fbi is abusing its power and deriving people of their civil liberties. carter page was spied on for more than a year by the obama administration based on the assertions in the steele dossier that the fbi never bothered to verify. mark penn was an advisor to bill clinton and joins us tonight. i have been instruct -- shocked by the reaction to this. a naval officer. never charged with anything and spied on for a year. the normal chorus of civil libertarians are silent. why? >> i find it's incredible. people just used talking points
before you could read the warrant. there was no probable cause. they scared a bunch of judges with stories about potential russ russia collusion and the steel dossier and he was on the pay rolls of the fbi, and the dnc and the hillary clinton campaign at the same time. even when that was discovered, they continued to use this information indicating they had nothing else. the idea that a government can spy on political campaigns with no evidence is frightening and needs to be corrected with legislation immediately. >> tucker: so, the precedent this sets, we are living in in moment. it's hard for us to see a week ahead. have you been in the white house and political campaigns. there will be another administration and one after that. what does this mean for them? will any president be able to trust that the fbi is not spying
on him or his campaign? >> i saw in '98 working with president clinton the stress and strain on the president and the white house that occur with these investigations. you can see the stress and strain. everyone who participated in the compain. everyone who is an associate of donald trump is being shaken down and investigated. this kind of thing is not compatible with an open democracy why we decide things by elections. we have to make changes here. you have to be afraid about the fbi, the cia. all of the intelligence agencies, what they could be doing. not only when you are the president but running a campaign against the president. that sets this country apart is the peaceful transition of government. >> tucker: we are playing with very heavy duty things here. quickly, do you think that in the next year or two there is an
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the out set, this will come as a surprise to clinton defenders it's a crime we ought to take seriously if anyone lies under oath. we believe in punishing crimes. >> and donald trump jr. lied. >> tucker: i don't know that. i don't know if cohen is telling the truth. i don't know why cohen would hire trump in the first place. the core accusation that it's immoral to meet with the russian source to get dirt on your opponent is what hillary clinton did. but it's treason when trump does. explain how that works. >> what the email to don jr. said it is how the russian government hopes to aid your father. that was in the email. if that email had gone to barack obama or hillary clinton the same people in congress who
spent 3 years investigating who wrote the talking points would have hearing after hearing. congress needs to do its job and have a hearing. >> tucker: we know the russian government aided the clinton campaign by giving false information to christopher steele. >> we don't know that. >> tucker: they testified before congress that he did. >> christopher steele was paid to get information. >> tucker: from the russians. where do you think it came from? >> from where were he could get it from. he was not given direction -- >> tucker: we don't know that. hold on. you don't know that. we know for a fact he got -- >> overlight overweight. -- [overlapping talking]. >> tucker: that's not a big deal? this is a farce. i am sick of playing along with
it. if there is perjury indict and see if you can convict. stop pretending that meeting with a foreigner is a crime. i will show you a picture. this is chuck schumer, it's your former boss. >> i can't see it. >> tucker: the question is i thought he was a loyal american. >> that was 2002. >> tucker: i thought he was a patriotic person. >> that was not in 2016. >> tucker: oh, really? it was cool for him to meet? they are doing secret energy deals together. i am not saying that chuck schumer should be in prison for treason. i am not saying that. >> you are smart enough to know what that is. >> [overlapping talking]. >> what has to happen is congress needs to have an investigation to know what went
on. >> tucker: to get to the bottom of what chuck schumer was talking about. >> we could have the truth. what chuck was talking about. do. that we want a hearing right now. >> [overlapping talking]. >> we want an investigation of what happened in 2016. >> tucker: okay. should we have paid a foreign national to get dirt from the russians, shouldn't we have a hearing about that? or is that outside of the scope of the hearing because it would not help your party. this is all partisan crap. let's get real. >> they already had numerous hearings about this the steele dossier but not what donald trump jr. said to his dad. we know donald trump jr. told his dad about that. >> tucker: really? how do you know that? have you talked to them?
>> [overlapping talking]. >> tucker: how often do you assert things as facts that you don't know as facts. you say we know something that we don't really know. is that a tactic you use? >> i think it's my own opinion. let me clarify. >> tucker: so you have no idea but you are guessing. okay. >> donald trump jr. would it would don sr. [overlapping talking]. he would probably tell him. >> tucker: based on your intimate of the trump family. this is getting too crazy for me. people should stop pretending this is real when it's fake. we know it's fake. we know that! [laughing]. chris, good to see you. don joins us now.
i am starting to conclude, dan, that we are actually complicit in this insanity by playing along with it. when someone paid money to a foreign national to get dirt from the russians accuses someone else of colluding with the russians you should not take it seriously. why we are adding to the craziness pretending this is real? >> i don't know. i like chris off the air a lot. he is a great guy, but we are all dumber. we may have lost 10 iqpoints. you noticed how he scrambled when you asked him a simple question. this is a complicated case. we are all adding to the madness. we can't figure out how in one case was the crime of the century a meeting between trump's kid and a couple of russians. one connected to the lawyers and
another to fusion gps that the clintons hired. they show up and pass no information about actual russians or collusion. that's the crime of the century. but actual russians who put together information according to their own dossier who passed it to the clinton team which was used, tucker, to spy on an american citizen and take down a presidency, nothing to see here, folks. ignore that but pay attention to this meeting. this is insane. i can't believe we are having this conversation. >> tucker: i should also note that we learned recently if you have any questions about what the government did spying on the private american citizen, you dan, are unpatriotic for asking questions. it's wrong to question the official narrative, got it?
>> this whole case is based on the dossier. michael cohen's tweet about the dossier. he called it a lie filled document. their star witness calls it a lie filled document. comey called it salacious and unverified. the head of the division investigating the case said it was in its infancy in verfavics. -- verification. it sounds like a winner. this sounds like a great case. you knocked it out of the park. >> tucker: [laughing]. i don't want to be mean, but i can't imagine how you could wind up with michael cohen as your personal lawyer. whoever is running the trump hr department needs to be fired. you would not hire michael cohen as your lawyer. dan, great to see you. >> yes, sir. >> tucker: one of the biggest tech companies twitter was
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intentional. this congressman was conservative shadow banned by twitter and filed a complaint against the company. congressman. thanks for coming on. first, you are certain this happened to you and it was intentional? >> well, i am certain there were only 4 members of congress who had their voices suppressed on twitter. that would be one hell of a coincidence. my suspicion if people were communicating a conservative message they were caught in twitter's troll tap. i think that's illegal because it gives advantages to our political opponents and gives them access to a flat form we don't have. -- platform we don't have. if they were a billboard company that would be illegal. here it's at auto-fill-in function that was not available
to me and nunes, meadows or jim jordan and it's available to democrats. >> tucker: you believe the fec can remedy this? >> they can absolutely institute fiance against any company that makes a corporate donation. here the donation is allowing democrats and people running against me to have access to element of the search feature i didn't have access to. why? twitter said it was my behavior that resulted in this. i don't know what behavior that is. do we trust tech companies to just decide with no trance transparency to limit access. >> tucker: twitter is a small player. it's a failing company anyway. google dominates tech. it's the portal through which
almost all human information flows. if google with held information that would have a huge effect. congress exists to make sure the pub interest is represented. i have not heard a member of congress say we will get to the bottom of this. why not? >> well, members of congress don't understand the gravity of the issue. now we have the targets drawn on our foreheads. you will see more engagement from the congress coming from. a libertarian might ask why should i not just leave twitter? twitter and other social media companies use the federal government to get rid of lawsuits they don't want to defend against and use a provision that requires them to hold themselves out as a neutral public forum. twitter and facebook can't say we are neutral and should not
have respond to lawsuits but tell me our behavior results in suppress on their platform. >> tucker: google as the monopoly and so does facebook and they continually suppress information. up next a law center is a sham group dedicateed to shaming enemies of the left. the fbi is collaborating with them. the story we have broken. we will tell you what we found next. you're headed down the highway
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>> tucker: you know if you had paid attention southern poverty law center is a fraudulent organization. it has nothing to do with the south and poverty. they are used to crush people. in 2012 they inspired a shooting attack on the family research counsel labelling them a hate group. last month they paid 3.3-million dollars for falsie calling a foundation anti-muslim extremist. we could go on. they lie. they are reckless and totally dishonest. with that in mind, it was shocking to discover as jaded as we are that the fbi has a long
history of collaborating with the southern poverty law center. the fbi called them an established, incredible organization that monitors domestic terrorism. they were allowed to brief the fbi on alleged terrorist threats. the fbi refuses to describe their collaboration with this group. we received mindless boilerplate statements like this one. quote, for many years the fbi engaged with various organizations. such outreach is critical for the fbi's mission and:
mindless pap that doesn't answer the question. congressman gates of florida sent a letter to the fbi leader asking him to explain their relationship with this group. tonight the doj gave us another statement. it said, quote: the found er wassed founder and labeled as an extremist. he joins us tonight. thanks for coming on. it was partly from watching what they did to you that had us asking the question: to what extent are they involved
with the federal government? we discovered this. tell our viewers your experience with them? >> it's curious and fascinating at the same time. i have been born and raised a muslim. i spent my teenage years with an organization seeking to enforce the law in muslim majority society. i got raddicalized and was a political prisoner in egypt and it was in jail i reformed and changed my views and decided to challenge extremism. they compiled a list what have they deemed as anti-muslim extremist. the sheer oddity of placing a muslim on the list of anti-muslim extremists led me to
say i need justice. my entire life is defined about by struggle to find a place for muslims in the west that is at home in the west. it undermined by entire's life's work. i found it a step too far. that's why i went to a lawyer and took action. >> tucker: scores of people like you, i think you are one of the most reasonable people on this subject of anyone i interviewed. once this group defines you as an extremist that hurts your foundation. >> it's already hard enough for liberal muslim reformists to speak out against extremism. they are targeted and often killed. there was a similar list
published and many were knocked off by jihadists. a close friend was murdered on the streets of amsterdam. the list was stabbed into his body and named someone as being next. that's what we are up against. it placed me in grave danger and others in great danger. it also has material consequences. when they did what they did, the reason they produced these lists to convince the media and financial foundations not to give grants to these people or these organizations. it had that kind of material consequences for us as well. that's why we could not lie back and take this. we had to take action. >> tucker: i am glad you the fact that our fbi is collaborating with this group is
really scary. thank you very much on your account. congratulations on winning. >> thank you. >> tucker: solid economic news. the biggest singe quarter gain in 4 years. america needs good american growth to solve the problem of young people suffering under great debt burdens than their parents. they leave school with over $30,000 in loans to pay off. what do they get in exchange? not much. we talked to this woman about the growing debt crisis. what are the effects of this on the country? >> in the housing market is
delays the purchase of the first home for 7 years. that affects all of the economy because that person is not getting those additional 7 years of wealth accumulation. it affects the people selling their homeless. you are removing buyers from the equation. they have so much debt they can't buy a home. >> tucker: 1.5-trillion dollars is almost too big of a number to put in context. there are very few countries in the world with a gdp bigger than that. what would happen if baro -- bar start toad default? >> that's bigger than everything we owe on the car loans.
credit card debt is less than a trillion. if they default who will be left holding the bag? a big challenge can you can't get through bankruptcy and remove this debt like you can with everything else. you won't pay your credit card bill or mortgage or your home loan. you don't have a choice in bankruptcy to not pay student debt. >> tucker: i don't understand how that works. i wonder why student loan debt is exemented from bankruptcy protections. how did they get a pass on that? >> you could end it in bankruptcy until 1995. when congress made it all but impossible. they did exclude their own offspring. if you are the child of a member of congress you can extinguish your student loan in bankruptcy
court. >> tucker: for real? >> yes. >> tucker: that's unbelievable. was this a lobby operation where student loan lenders decided why would we want to face the risk of not getting our money back? >> the student loan lender is the federal government. you can't compete with the federal government. you see what the results of that is. this is like what we saw with sub-prime housing. what you saw was the government saying more and more people ought to own owns. -- homeless. they lowered the bar. that made the housing market shoot for the moon. they did the same thing here. with education. they want more people to get education. that's good but the way they about doing it is to make loans
more accessible like we did with homes. what happened? you have seen the price of that education has sky rocketed. for example, if you looked at from 1985 to today, where the cost of education has gone up 4 times that of just inflation in general, it's not like wages have been keeping up with that. >> tucker: they have not. >> in 1971, the cost of a one year of education in college cost a little less than half of what the average guys makes in a year. today it's shy of 2 year's worth. >> tucker: that's unbelievable. the quality of college education has plummeted. the meaning of a degree has evaporated. this is a scam. thanks a lot. one university is cracking down on the phrase as you know.
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tonight. cathy, thanks for coming on. i am often confused which is why i am grateful here to have you here. this one more than most. i thought starting a sentence with as you know would be a self-esteem booster, suggesting you already know this. it's bad for self-esteem? >> you are causing self-doubt because they i not know. i have self-doubt and would not do as well other students who may know. i feel another student feels something i don't know and the diversity department found that students found this phrase to be offensive and don't do as well in the classes. as you know causes self-doubt.
>> tucker: as you know, the research has shown there is a direct connection with low self-esteem does self-doubt. isn't it a reflection of reality? if you already knew, what are you doing in college? students are ignorant. that's why they are in school to become learned, right? >> it doesn't make sense for a professor to say "as you knnk" in a classroom. you should not use unnecessary words or phrases to make your point. using "as you know" is unnecessary. you are not communicating properly with your audience. they are urging the professors not to use this phrase. >> tucker: they are not urging it because they have a commitment to clear language.
>> yes. >> tucker: they can barely speak english. >> this is a diversity department urging this. >> tucker: everything i said times 5. it's more true. don't you want to patronnize your students and make them feel they know nothing? you want to highlight their ignorance because it will add to their thirst for knowledge? >> it's doing the opposite. at the university the students say "as you know" is causing self-doubt. no, we are not supposed to patronnize the students. we are supposed to fill them with confidence. there will be wonderful leaders in the future. we want a world like that. >> tucker: no, we have a lot of confident students. i interview them all the time. i would say we have too many confident students.
most students knownology, you should be insecure does silent as you learn. if a student is so undone by a professor saying "as you know," you are not ready for college? >> isn't it wonderful that students are speaking up and saying professors are speaking down to us and as a communicator it's not making sense. they don't feel confident and they are telling the university we will feel more confident if this phrase is eliminated. they are urging the professors to get with this new program. >> tucker: join the revolution
or be eaten. do you want to live in a world where college students are empowered to talk a lot, honestly? >> to speak up, yes. >> tucker: to give their opinions, speak up? be heard, do you want to live in that world? >> i want to live in a better world. i like the world that changes with the times. i don't want to live in a world -- >> tucker: i know you do. [laughing]. that's why we love you. that's why we are having you back on monday for a segment more confusing than this one. thank you very much. the fbi is supposedly protecting americans from crime. the next guest says the fbi's war on civil liberties made them ♪
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the fbi is abusing its power and deriving people of their civil liberties. carter page was spied on for more than a year by the obama administration based on the assertions in the steele dossier that the fbi never bothered to verify. mark penn was an advisor to bill clinton and joins us tonight. i have been instruct -- shocked by the reaction to this. a naval officer. never charged with anything and spied on for a year. the normal chorus of civil libertarians are silent. why? >> i find it's incredible. people just used talking points before you could read the
warrant. there was no probable cause. they scared a bunch of judges with stories about potential russ russia collusion and the steel dossier and he was on the pay rolls of the fbi, and the dnc and the hillary clinton campaign at the same time. even when that was discovered, they continued to use this information indicating they had nothing else. the idea that a government can spy on political campaigns with no evidence is frightening and needs to be corrected with legislation immediately. >> tucker: so, the precedent this sets, we are living in in moment. it's hard for us to see a week ahead. have you been in the white house and political campaigns. there will be another administration and one after that. what does this mean for them? will any president be able to trust that the fbi is not spying on him or his campaign?
>> i saw in '98 working with president clinton the stress and strain on the president and the white house that occur with these investigations. you can see the stress and strain. everyone who participated in the compain. everyone who is an associate of donald trump is being shaken down and investigated. this kind of thing is not compatible with an open democracy why we decide things by elections. we have to make changes here. you have to be afraid about the fbi, the cia. all of the intelligence agencies, what they could be doing. not only when you are the president but running a campaign against the president. that sets this country apart is the peaceful transition of government. >> tucker: we are playing with very heavy duty things here. quickly, do you think that in the next year or two there is an answer to restore confidence in
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lot of legal experts say he wins one in the district of columbia. keep in mind in the last election in 2016 only 4% of district of columbia voters voted for donald trump. not good odds in the district of columbia. >> bill: something we're watching. kellyanne conway senior counsel to the president from the white house. good morning to you. i have a long list. >> another slow news day here. >> bill: i have a long list. paul manafort, how closely is the president watching this trial that begins today? >> we haven't discussed that in quite a while. i would note for your audience, bill, that the judge has very strictly instructed no mention of paul manafort's role in the trump campaign, no mention trump, russia or collusion. this trial obviously centers on matters that have nothing to do with the campaign. i think that even mr. manafort as i read it had requested that there be no mention of his
brief tenure at the trump campaign several years ago. i believe there is one witness that -- there may be one matter of somebody whom he has gotten a loan from in exchange for a job on the campaign. that's just what i read. i was the campaign manager for the winning part of the campaign. i won't be brought up on federal criminal charges of any type. i certainly wasn't making money in ukraine or talking to anyone in moscow. that's very clear. this has nothing to do with collusion, russia, nothing to do with the trump campaign. >> bill: iran. if the president were to meet with iran's president, what would he get out of that? >> the president has made clear he is open to conversation and negotiation. he has done that with chairman kim, mr. putin. and he has also said if it's not a good deal for the united states and our interests and our workers and our security he will walk away any time. he is always open to negotiation and conversation. both the president and secretary pompeo made clear
iran would have to change its behavior, including to its own people. it's maligned behavior to its own people will have to stop. if it is willing to do bet you are erectically for its own people. this is a better approach than forking over lots of dollars to the iranian regime for a nuclear deal that this president has taken our country out of because he said from the beginning in a winning way was a bad deal overseen by the last administration which his political opponent was a member. >> bill: see if it happens on iran. you mentioned chairman kim. we get confirmation they're still testing missiles in north korea. what does it suggest about the success or not that came out of singapore, kellyanne? >> it suggests it's a process. you are talking about 68 years of sustained war and conflict in korea. and we're ahead of the game in this way. we have this -- several months
success on that. very close on the mid-terms. big rally for ron desantis in florida. maybe on the west coast of florida as well in tight elections. barack obama lost 63 seats in his first mid-term of 2010. this week he had a message about a possible shutdown over the lack of fund funding for a wall on the southern border. how does it help the case, a government shutdown for a mid-term election that you know will be closely watched? >> the president is focused on the other part of that, immigration. it is completely concerning to us, frustration at this point as to why congress won't do its job and pass meaningful immigration reform. this president couldn't be more clear for the last three plus years on what he thinks about a broken immigration system. he repeated it again yesterday and catch and release, releasing people into the interior of this country. ending chain migration, going to a merit-based system of
immigration and having the wall and border security. it is a stark contrast to the democratic party running to abolish ice. that keeps us all safe. which is on the front lines of stopping child smuggling and drug trafficking and other activity. seized enough fentanyl to kill every man, woman and child in this country and there would be no loss of 63 seats. president trump didn't try to do a government takeover of healthcare. instead he has cut taxes and major deregulation bringing peace and prosperity. it was a huge contrast but i have to say also what the president is doing today in tampa. he is going to tampa bay tech after he signs the perkins reauthorization. perkins is going to benefit about 11 million high school students across this country who want to go towards
vocational, technical education like many of my fellow students at the high school i went to in south jersey. they graduated from high school, graduate the technical/vocational certificate they support themselves as mechanics, carpenters, hairdressers. we need to get folks ready for the economy of today and tomorrow. we have 6.6 million available jobs looking for workers. now instead of workers and employers looking past each other they're looking for each other under the trump economy which is exciting. >> bill: we'll follow the event and watch the rally in tampa. one of the tweets from earlier today. here is one of them. one of the reasons we need great border security, mexico's murder rate in 2017 increased by 27%. a record, he writes. the democrats want to open borders. i want maximum borders security, respect for ice. he laid out the case. you know the districts well
about the contrast in this election. today what is the percentage you give of holding congress for republicans? >> i think it's better than 50%. i know with the historical trends. this is a president who defies trends and makes his own and defies history and makes his own history. as the president said he and the vice president will be very active on the campaign trail. you mentioned today again on thursday we'll be in pennsylvania, the vice president was in ohio yesterday. so the president says he will be very active. we know he is not afraid of several stops a day on a campaign trail. all the while his first priority being president of the united states. remember, those historical trends, clinton losing 54 seats and republicans taking over in 94. obama losing because of obamacare mostly and he didn't have a massive tax cut and he didn't deregulate and he didn't try to broker negotiation, denuclearization around the world like this president is,
all the while this president i think is going to be much more active. he is not telling these folks -- >> bill: no question about that. >> we know what the historical trends are but i don't think you'll see those losses. 42 republicans have retired. not something we can control. >> bill: a lot of these places where congressional districts are toss-ups. thank you, i hope you come back. kellyanne conway from the north lawn today. >> sandra: much more on one of the big stories of the day. the paul manafort trial and the test it will be for the mueller investigation. former u.s. attorney andrew mccarthy is here and join us later this hour. our headliner today. former attorney general alberto gonzalez, the latest on the mueller investigation, confirmation for judge kavanaugh. busy morning. >> bill: we need four hours. kellyanne conway made the case the president is working hard to get republicans elected in
the mid-terms. today's trip is all about florida campaigning for ron desantis running for governor. rnc chairwoman ronna mcdaniel coming up with that in moments. plus this. >> sandra: police in iowa asking anyone with any information about mollie tibbetts to please come forward. what investigators are now saying about the case. >> bill: the trump team not giving up the fight to bring home an american being held in turkey on charges of spying and terror. >> turkish officials have the authority to release andrew brunson. i believe we'll see a release of andrew brunson returning him to the united states soon. the president is leading the charge here to get our client released. he knows how to negotiate. we go to in testing our performance line, at the lexus golden opportunity sales event. lease the 2018 is 300 and is 300 awd for these terms.
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the search for mollie tibbetts. investigators have conducted more than 200 interviews in connection with this case. the 20-year-old student was last seen on july 18th while dog sitting at her boyfriend's home in central iowa. her disappearance has gained national attention as the search for her ramps up. >> bill: prime time tonight president trump in florida to give a boost to a political ally. a big year for representative desantis who will be a great governor for florida. a good race going on. strong on crime, borders and second amendment. big help on tax an regulation cuts. loves our military and vets and has my total endorsement. ronna mcdaniel is here to talk about this. he is going up against adam putnam. seems the race has changed. putnam had a lead in the polling. a lot of undecided but it broken in desantis's favor. how do you see it right now? >> you're seeing where the energy of the republican party
is right now. it is solidly behind the president. and as he has endorsed in the races you've seen a shift for the candidates he supported. you saw it last week in georgia with kemp. you've seen it with mcmaster in south carolina and kate airington. his base goes to the candidates and gives them a boost. you see it if florida. >> bill: you heard kellyanne conway put the odds on republicans keeping the control of congress. 50%. a lot of people might feel that way but we came across a few headlines today that gave us a question. byron york writes this. after 30 days of blank, gop mid-term elections fear rises. we have another one "wall street journal." trump might not mind speaker pelosi as a political foil for 2020. have you seen those pieces? what do you think? >> the president is all in on keeping the majority in the house.
we know nancy pelosi would be a disaster for our country. she called the tax cuts that have increased paychecks for millions of americans crumbs. she is completely out of touch. she will bring impeachment proceedings. these aren't things we want. we know the history. there are 23 districts where hillary clinton won where we have republicans that either held those seats or currently in those seats. we know that typically the president in the first mid-term loses seats in the first election. we're working to defy history and why we've raised record money. we just completed our national week of action where we had 4,000 people knocking on doors contacting two million voters. we know what we're up against and have a record to run on with record unemployment with isis on the run. military being funded, deregulation. economy booming, a great gdp number. there are things we can take to the american people as deliverables and say this is what we've accomplished in a year and a half. let's not turn back the clock and send it back to the
pelosi/schumer dark ages. >> bill: the tweet from the white house. the koch brothers who have become a joke are against strong borders and powerful trade. i don't need their money or bad ideas. they love my tax and regulation cuts, judicial picks and more. i made them richer. they are net -- i'm for america first and the american worker, a puppet for no one. two nice guys with bad ideas, make america great again. they give a lot of money to republicans on the senate side. how do arguments like that help? >> it was disappointing to see yesterday they aren't going to support kevin kramer in this all too important north dakota senate race. heidi heitkamp has not been a supporter of the policies the president pushed forward for this economy and kramer has.
they're ideologues not just supporting republicans. they're also supporting democrats. that's why the president has been so supportive of the rnc. the party is where the data is and where we're building our infrastructure. we do the ground game. we continue -- we're supporting republicans and majorities to pass his agenda. >> bill: thank you for your time. a little later in the show congressman ron desantis is live here at 11:30 a.m. eastern time ahead of the rally in tampa, florida. stay tuned for that. >> sandra: breaking news out of the west coast as the northern california wildfires are not letting up. get out and get out fast. that's the new warnings from fire crews on the ground there. we'll be speaking to them right after the break. >> bill: this shark was stolen and now it went back home. how did it get there? you're about to find out.
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gave the shark a hero's welcome with a standing ovation. the shark took a bow. >> sandra: it's a real thing going on here. >> bill: we have to give her a name. >> sandra: got any ideas? >> bill: sandy? too close to home? >> sandra: maybe. those sharks. >> people still need to be packed and ready to go because the fire behavior could still be very changing and shifty. we want folks in this area to still be ready to evacuate on a moment's notice if needed. >> sandra: fire crews putting folks in northern california on notice be ready to get out now. the wildfires in northern california raging on. the biggest are over 20% contained. six people have now died. joining me now by phone is deputy chief of communications for california fire scott mclean. thank you for jumping on the phone and giving us an update this morning. what can you tell us about the status of these fires and about a fifth of them contained at this point?
>> as of yesterday evening we're looking at 17 significant fires throughout the state of california. as we progress each day, we're getting better. we're fighting those different types of fires. right now other fires are taking their place. the carr fire grew to 110,000 acres over the night. there is a lot of fire activity and we hope to see some weather changes the latter part of this week into next. >> sandra: that is the big wild card right now, the weather. what is in the forecast as you look out into the week, scott? >> thursday we're looking at the temps starting to drop. not dramatically but the humidities will start to rise as well. hopefully that will calm down some of these fires where we can get into a direct fire
fight mode in certain areas of the fires instead of the indirect. >> sandra: give us an idea of the efforts underway. we are looking at images of the brave firefighters on the ground trying to contain these what you are saying 17 significant wildfires still burning across the state. what are these efforts like on the ground? >> let's go with the carr fire out of redding. driving up the highway that went through that fire highway 299 you could see the remnants of the fire fight. it is the men and women go in and start climbing the hills dragging hose and making lines and making the effort and they'll get push backed by the erratic fire behavior and take another stand and go back in trying to do the same thing over and over and over again. aircraft are involved, dozers, all our tools are involved in these fire fights. we've got 12,000 firefighters
on the line. statewide right now. more resources continue to come into the state from all over the nation. >> sandra: you just referenced the carr fire, one of the 17 burning throughout the state. so far the update we've had it scorched over 100,000 acres of land. this particular fire was started by a vehicle. what can you tell us about that? and is this the worst of the fires that we're seeing? >> for year-to-date yes. it was caused by sparks due to a mechanical situation off of a vehicle. this is the proof it only takes a spark to start the process. the fuel and vegetation is receptive to fire because it's so dry in california. >> sandra: the message to residents there? >> be prepared. the public comes to the base camps. we want to bring you food, water, clothing, whatever it
may be. their hearts are pouring. i ask that you, the public, help us. the biggest thing you can do is be prepared in case you have to evacuate. if you live in the rural areas or on the outskirts of those, be prepared. have a go kit ready to go and know how you'll get out. make sure your family knows. evacuate when the time comes. >> sandra: incredible effort underway. 3600 firefighters battling the carr fire alone. those fires continue to burn across the state. thank you very much, scott mclean, for the update this morning. >> bill: 9:30 in new york. fox news alert. searching for new evidence north korea is getting rid of its nukes fox news confirming a report the regime is still building missiles. a live report on that developing story moments away here. >> sandra: plus police arresting seven men in the country illegally for the armed robbery at a jewelry store. what we're learning about where the illegal immigrants were from and how they ended up there.
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>> sandra: trump attorney jay sekulow who represents a family who is under arrest in turkey. we're threatening large sanctions against the nato ally. let's bring in north carolina senator. >> we're glad he has been released to house arrest. that was a good first step. i will tell you the president of the united states has been incredibly engaged directly securing his release. the president is not resting until our client, andrew brunson, pastor for 23 years in turkey is returned to the united states. >> sandra: senator tillis joins us now. where does it go next? >> first, i appreciate the president's commitment. he and i have spoken about this. secretary pompeo, the
administration has real owe done great work to get us to a point where he is released on house arrest but we need to continue the pressure until he is back in the united states and reunited with his family. >> sandra: president erdogan making it clear. they can't make turkey back down with sanctions. we won't step back. is the threat of sanctions going to work and bring this pastor home? >> well, i think that we have to apply -- it's a very complex scenario in that we need turkey as a strong nato ally. they're in a complex part of the world. we understand some of the internal and external challenges that president erdogan is dealing with. this man is illegally imprisoned. he is charged with things that wouldn't keep you in jail overnight in the united states. we want just treatment for pastor brunson and talk about all the very positive things that we should be doing with turkey. >> sandra: what does it say more broadly when you look at
u.s./turkey relations, senator? >> it could have long-term consequences. i'm the co-chair of the senate nato observer group and i was trying to determine if turkey's behavior was the turkey before they were admitted into nato in 1952 if they would even be qualified to be a nato ally. we want to get back to a normal relations where we work together on military and economic issues. but this is something that's really going to harm any positive progress with turkey until this is resolved. >> sandra: i heard you start off by commending the president and his involvement in this. do you see this as an effort the president will not let back down from? >> i don't think so. the president and i spoke. i believe him when he says nobody wants pastor brunson out more than him. he has worked on this personally and had discussions with the president. he has asked members of his cabinet to work on th. i want to applaud the president for being so helpful and we need that level of engagement to
insure his release. i spoke with pastor brunson on friday and he was in good spirits being released even under house arrest. he is very much aware that could change any day. he could be back in prison. we want him out of the country and we want to also focus our attention on others who are detained that i feel like are after pastor brunson we have to have a discussion with the turkish government over. >> sandra: the threat of sanctions. how far should the u.s. be willing to go with turkey in demanding that this pastor be returned? >> i for one hope that we don't have to move forward with sanctions but i think we do have to express how committed we are to pastor brunson's release and i applaud the president for being willing to take that step. i'm sure he didn't do that lightly. this could will be resolved with the release of pastor brunson. get back to more normal relations with turkey and get back to the positive things economically and mill taerl that i would like to talk about but i can't until pastor
brunson is released. >> sandra: mike pence saying it's a welcome first step when referencing the pastor's house arrest but he has warned erdogan several times in recent days that turkey will face consequences if they refuse to release this pastor. how ultimately do you expect turkey to respond to this sort of pressure from the united states, senator? >> i'm guardedly optimistic we'll get to a positive outcome. we need to keep him out of the prison, under house arrest. let them go through whatever legal processes they need to go through and get him home soon. >> sandra: the president has been engaged with this and we have seen that fight. as far as you, senator thom tillis, you recently spoke to the pastor. how is his communication with his family at this point? they are a huge part of this effort to bring home their family member. >> noreen, his wife, has been the foundation that helped pastor brunson go through
almost two years of incarceration. his daughter, jacquelin and i met last week or the week before last with his son-in-law. he has been in contact with family members under the terms of the house arrest. he is able to reach out and speak with members of the family. was able to speak with me and suspect he will speak with other members of congress. it's a great first step. he was really in prison for almost 17 months in a cell designed for eight that had 21 people in it. he is at least around the familiar environment of his home and now i want him to be in the very familiar environment of his home in north carolina. >> sandra: the president said he will not rest to quote jay sekulow, the president will not rest until andrew brunson is returned home to the united states. good to have you on the program this morning. >> bill: let's get him home. fox news alert on the korean peninsula. new satellite images reportedly
show the nuclear regime is building new missiles. greg palkot live now. what more do we know about the missile site, greg? >> fox confirming the reports that north korea is now busy once again building more missiles. u.s. officials telling fox news it is business as usual at a factory near pyongyang that builds intercontinental ballistic missile capable of reaching the united states showing there is no evidence of a halt of work. we're talking about the long range missiles used three times last year in test firings that could potentially reach the east coast of the united states. recent work activity visible. that comes after, of course, the summit last month involving president trump and north korean leader kim jong-un in which there was a commitment for denuclearization and comes amid a meeting today at the dmz between north and south korean generals trying to calm things down at the tense border.
no commitment made at that meeting. >> bill: what does it mean for the efforts. >> there was no promise to denuclearize from kim last month. last week we heard from secretary pompeo saying north korea is still making fissile material used in bombs. uranium enrichment plant, another missile plant revealed but they've taken measures, in fact, to bring down the temperature a little bit, dismantling a site and the return of the remains of those u.s. service members. repatriation happening tomorrow. it's a mixed bag. i think we need to be careful. back to you. >> bill: greg palkot in london on that. >> sandra: paul manafort appearing in court today as jury selection kicks off for his trial. why it is considered the first real test in robert mueller's investigation. >> bill: new reaction from the president on special counsel's
probe. andrew mccarthy joins us next. >> you don't just get to interview the president. you have to show there is a serious crime and he is the only one that can give you the information you need. that's why rudy keeps saying there is no crime. if there is no crime what's the point of having the conversation?
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what were the circumstances? >> the conduct has been out there. what happened here is this involves political consulting work that manafort and other people his partner, richard gates who pled guilty in mueller's investigation, this is conduct they were involved in going back to around 2004 and forward to about 2014 and a little bit beyond. so what the justice department has apparently -- this comes out of manafort's camp, what they have looked at is the question whether he ought to be prosecuted for failing to register as a foreign agent for the work he did for this ukrainian political faction and what they claim is they looked at that conduct, that is the justice department did and opted not to prosecute him. when mueller came in he revived that investigation. >> bill: what's different now? paul manafort worked for trump's campaign and his lawyers would come in and argue that you are just trying to get
the president. and the judge referred to that in may. so how does that factor into this trial? >> that has the virtue of being both true and something that you are allowed to do if you're a prosecutor. it is a common thing even though it's not a pretty thing that prosecutors like to talk about but it is a common thing for them to squeeze people for information to try to make a case on other people. >> bill: the prosecutors have said in court already there is no mention of russia in this trial. how is that possible? he was working for a pro-russian politician in ukraine and made a lot of money doing it. >> it doesn't have anything to do with the 2016 election. the rationale for mueller's investigation is russia interfered with the 2016 election and the suspicion that the trump campaign, which supposedly benefited from that, may have had some participation in it. but this case, while it has been called the first test of mueller's investigation, to my mind really isn't. it's a test of whether he can
get manafort convicted of something but it really tells us very little about the thing he is here to investigate and it is a fair question to ask, bill, what do we need a special counsel for? this really does not go to the reason the special counsel was appointed in the first place, which was a justice department conflict of interest with respect to russia's interference in the election and any trump campaign participation. >> bill: and on that point in day one of this case that's what manafort's attorneys were in court arguing. this is outside the bounds of what the special counsel was appointed to do. can you win on that? >> they can't because the justice department has the power to grant the jurisdiction to the special counsel to bring the case and they opted to do that. the regulations that the manafort people cite i think they're correct when they say the justice department didn't comply with all the special counsel regulations but those regulations also say they don't create any rights that are
enforceable against the justice department. >> bill: two days rudy giuliani has been talking a lot. collusion is not a crime. there was no collusion accepted by crooked hillary and the democrats and we learned by john roberts there will be no interview with bob mueller. that's gone back and forth. you made the case to sandra last night working for martha, you don't get the right to interview a president. you have to show that there is a crime or the possibility of something involved that would involve him. >> right. >> bill: this is not a free pass. >> think about it this way. there are hundreds, thousands of federal prosecutors in the country. what if every one of them who thought the president might have information to bring into his investigation got to subpoena the president and bring him in. the president wouldn't be able to do his very important job which is much more important, by the way, than a prosecutor's job, right? so the president has executive privilege and generally speaking in the justice
department, in order to get that kind of access to the president, to get an interview, to even ask for an interview you would have to show there was a serious crime at issue that the president was somehow implicated in and that the president was the source of information that you, the prosecutor, could not get from any other source. >> bill: that's why giuliani says right -- write a report and show us what you've got. >> that's a reasonable request because forget about investigative secrecy, it is more important for the public to know if the president is a suspect. if he is let's hear what it's about. job well done. thank you for being back with us. >> sandra: president trump getting some big praise this morning from j.p. morgan chase ceo jamie diamond and why he says president trump should get all the credit for the booming economy. >> bill: massive jewelry heist leads to seven arrests. it's where these men are from that is raising a few eyebrows. stay tuned for that and we'll tell you next.
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>> sandra: according to federal law enforcement sources the seven men charged with trying to rob a texas jewelry store over the weekend were in america illegally. william la jeunesse is live in los angeles on this. william. >> well, sandra, most immigrants come to the united states looking for a better life but not through crime. the seven mexicans you see here, the mug shots snuck over the border in texas two weeks ago to rob a jewelry store in mcallen. customers thought they heard gunshots when the gang broke display cases to steal watches and diamond rings. that prompted the 911 call of an active shooter. police rolled out the swat team. take a look at the surveillance video from inside the store. you will see a security guard top left a family on the right stunned as these seven masked
thieves rush in, one holding a gun, orders the security guard to lay down. moments later a local police officer working mall security will storm in, gun drawn. he gets unexpected backup from the guy in the red shirt, an armed citizen with a conceal carry permit. they secured the scene. the seven are between 17 and 43 years old. all were apprehended for entering the united states illegally. charges with aggravated robbery, bond set at $200,000 each. they want u.s. taxpayers to pay their lawyer because they claim to be broke. local news reports say the men paid $4500 to get smuggled over the border. a felony. they could be deported before or after their sentencing. >> sandra: thank you. >> bill: the trial for former paul manafort about to get underway. how this could effect the
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welcome-to-to a new hour of "america's newsroom." i'm sandra smith. >> bill: i'm bill hemmer. paul manafort in court at this hour. kellyanne conway saying it is about paul manafort, not the president. >> i certainly wasn't making money in ukraine or talking to anyone in moscow. that's very clear. this has nothing to do with collusion, russia, nothing to do with the trump campaign. >> bill: peter doocy live from district court in alexandria, virginia. >> the government's case against paul manafort is expected to focus less on allegations of wrongdoing while he was the trump campaign chairman and more on allegations that he cheated on his taxes years before. manafort this morning was taken from jail to the albert v. bryan courthouse in a van for
the high-profile proceedings where special counsel robert mueller's team alleges there are $60 million he earned over the years lobbying or consulting for politicians in ukraine that never popped up on a pay stub. the judge in this case, t.s. ellis, has said in the course of these proceedings it is his opinion the mueller team is using the financial charges that have nothing to do with the 2016 election to get manafort to dish dirt on the trump campaign but he thought about it and allowed the trial to continue anyway. the mueller team in the courtroom is led by andrew wiseman whose specialties are organized crime services in the d.o.j. manafort's lawyers made a big stir when they arrived this morning led by kevin downing who worked for years on the other side as the justice department tax case prosecutor and the manafort team's job is to get the jury, being selected this morning, to think like president trump who has said
recently that he feels badly for paul manafort, somebody who only worked for his campaign a few months but wound of having years and years of his financial records scrutinized by the special counsel all leading to today. >> bill: peter doocy starting our coverage there. >> sandra: a major test for mueller and the russia investigation. let's go to the a-team, john mccormack senior writer at the weekly standard, morgan ortagus from the treasury department and richard fowler. this is a big test. >> having worked in the treasury department and financial intelligence it comes back to the money. you can always follow the money. that's what this case is about. the president and his team will go at length to show that this isn't about russian collusion, it is about manafort's shady activity for many years that people knew about. so the democrats are clearly going to try to use this and keep the russia investigation in the press but i think we'll see what happens with the
lawyers. when it comes to the money, when it comes to following the money and the finances, i did this for many years as it relates to terrorism and it's typically where you tend to get people. >> for this to advance the whole russia investigation as it affects the presidential campaign we need new information that we don't have yet. the thing everyone is waiting for is to see is manafort going to provide new information about the trump tower meeting with don junior, man fort and the russians. that's speculations. >> bill: will it come up in the trial? >> i don't think so. >> as andy mccarthy pointed out mueller could squeeze him and offer him a deal. that assumes manafort has information to give. this is all speculation. kind of speculation outpacing the known facts. >> i think john makes a good point. this first test for the mueller team. will they get a prosecution and will mueller go to jail.
will he be sentenced. will he give information about what happened in that trump tower meeting between don junior, himself, and a couple of other individuals part of the trump campaign and will the mueller team sort of stand the test of time? that will be the big question as we begin the first day of this trial and jury selection, whether or not the mueller team is tough enough. >> sandra: kellyanne said the judge instructed no mention of his role in the trump campaign or russia or collusion. >> this is just the democrat fantasy we'll get a huge russia revelation from manafort in this campaign. this is a classic money laundering financial scam case that the prosecutors are pursuing and that's what will come out of it. everyone would love theatrics before november but i don't think you'll get that. >> i don't think democrats are wishing for some major russia bombshell.
>> richard. >> i don't think they're waiting for a major bombshell from the manafort investigation. what we're pointing to is trump has paraded himself is a great businessman who picks great people and manafort isn't a good person and head of the campaign for four months. he ran this campaign and for some -- he got trump to the convention. that's a big deal. >> bill: we're all guessing right now. let's leave it as a guess as it gets underway. iran, what a bombshell this was yesterday. the president sends out a threatening message a week ago and yesterday at the news conference with the italian prime minister he says the following at the white house. >> president trump: i believe in meeting. i would certainly meet with iran if they wanted to meet. i don't know they're ready yet. they're having a hard time right now. i ended the iran deal. it was a ridiculous deal. i do believe they'll end up wanting to meet and i'm ready to meet any time they want to. i don't do that from strength
or weakness. i think it's an appropriate thing to do. if we could work something out that's meaningful, not the waste of paper that the other deal was, i would certainly be willing to meet. >> bill: take that invitation, john. >> this is the continuation of president barack obama's diplomacy. he got roasted by republicans and hillary clinton in 2007-2008 saying he would meet without pre-conditions with leaders of rogue regimes. talking for the sake of talking is a mistake. if you don't go in there with a strategic goal you go off script and say things like kim jong-un is a leader who loves his people and they love him with great fervor. you give legitimacy to the most brutal dictator in the world and entertain ideas that vladimir putin throws out there, russia is investigating and interrogating americas. talking for the sake of talking is a bad idea but an idea that has bipartisan support.
>> sandra: it is not stopping critics from questioning the move by the president. >> my question is who would he talk to? would he talk to rohany or the ayatollah. it's the ayatollah running the government, not rouhani. >> bill: iran is being squeezed. >> i'm like -- i was incredibly critical of the iran deal and people talk about the president's rhetoric and policy actions relating to russia or north korea. when you look at pompeo, mattis, bolton, all his top administration officials are pushing his policy and testifying on the hill. they caught a moment of vulnerability for this regime and wise to continue to push back against iran and i hope that's the policy they continue with. >> meeting with them is not the answer. it comes down to the straits of
-- if there is any messing around the movement of oil out of the middle east and we don't find a way to keep that strait open that's going to change world trade. >> i agree with richard why the straits are so important. you saw the iranians captured the american sailors and embarrassed us nationally. the iranians will never do that to president trump i will predict. >> bill: everybody is talking about the mid-terms. can you go anywhere? >> it's why i stay out of the politics. >> bill: ronna mcdaniel, a big rally tonight in tampa. the president is trying to drive turnout. ron desantis gets the support tonight. >> you're seeing where the energy of the republican party is right now and it is solidly behind the president. and as he has endorsed in the
races you've seen a shift for the candidates he supported. you saw it with kemp, mcmaster in south carolina and kate arrington in south carolina. as he endorses the candidates his base goes to the candidates. >> sandra: how important is the president when it comes to these endorsements in the mid-terms? >> it's very important in the republican primaries. what is more interesting about florida is the senate race. confounding expectations with rick scott running for senate. expect a purple state like florida if there is a blue wave florida wouldn't be on the map. this is a toss-up. rick scott is up a few points in some polls, down in other. >> bill: a good governor. >> very popular with the hispanic community in florida. running above what some other republicans have done. so that's a real race to watch in a way that tennessee surprising the democrats are pulling ahead there and surprising that republicans are in the fight. >> i couldn't agree more.
as a fifth generation floridian and a miss citrus. bill nelson has been incredibly weak for many years. it's surprising we haven't been able to beat him before now. that senate race is one i'll watch. i expect rick scott to pull out. i would say in the florida race the governor's race clearly the president is giving a big advantage to ron desantis. don't count adam putnam out. pam bondi has endorsed him. when it comes to local politics on the ground the sheriffs are all behind putnam. that will be a real race. >> the problem with the president weighing in on the primaries he will pick those farther to the right. florida is a purple state and have 60,000 new residents from puerto rico and they have an axe to grind with the president and change the voter registration and likely vote democrats. this is going to be a big race to watch for the democratic
party and the big race to watch for the republicans. i think you can't look at florida in a vacuum. you need to look at all the races. the president threatening a government shutdown, a lot of races to watch. the koch brothers saying we're willing to play with republicans and democrats like heidi heitkamp in the dakotas. an interesting mid-term to say the least. >> we'll be in tampa tonight. a big year for desantis. strong of crime, borders, big help on tax and regulations. he has my full and total endorsement. here is what's going on. with exception of the pennsylvania race, when the president inserts himself into the election he moves the meter. adam putnam was ahead in the polls two months ago. it has changed entirely and desantis would give credit to trump. >> the president owns the party. 88 to 90% approval ratings among the gop. republican president fantasize over that. the key will be, i think,
vulnerable house districts around the country can the president's magic come out in those districts and help republicans keep the house. >> he moves the primary but not the general election. we saw in alabama he engaged in the primary, got more out of the primary and lost the general election bigly in his words. he weighs in on the primary but he cannot pull it out in the general which will be the biggest problem for republicans in the mid-term elections. >> in the primaries his endorsement matters when both candidates aren't well-known. in alabama he went for luther strange and he lost. when he goes in somewhere like georgia both candidates are well-known his endorsement matters a lot. >> sandra: a-team will be back for more. >> bill: the president wants to talk to bob mueller. seems like his legal team are saying ain't going to happen. judge alberto gonzales is here on that. did you see this from last night? roll it.
>> president has a lot of blame for things he didn't do but the president has done things that accelerated growth. >> sandra: if you don't know that face it was jamie diamond, ceo of j.p. morgan chase. he feels like the president deserves praise for this economy. >> bill: this is the cost of bernie sanders medicare for all plan, $32 trillion according to a new study. we'll dig into the study and let you know about the dollars and cents. hotel. with expedia's add-on advantage, booking a flight unlocks discounts on select hotels until the day you leave for your trip. add-on advantage. only when you book with expedia. ♪ it's so hard to believe ♪ but it's all coming back me. ♪ baby, baby, baby. all you can eat is back, baby. applebee's.
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because a lot of things we did hurt ourselves. >> sandra: he sounds excited about what he is seeing. >> he is excited. it creates things for banks like j.p. morgan. he is right. critics will say what exactly did trump do. show me. the day after he was elected all the indicators, whether it was from housing confidence, small business confidence, even consumer confidence went through the roof. that's what you need first. and then what we're seeing now is a manifestation of all that and creates a cycle. the more people that get hired the more money they spend, the more money they spend the more people you have to hire. we're in the midst of that right nou. >> sandra: jamie diamond, to be clear, is a democrat, right? >> he is a democrat and also a globalist and he does things like with the business round table. he is the kind of guy -- these people benefit from the status
quo big time. they typically don't want anyone rocking the boat. >> sandra: to be clear, he has been critical of the president in the past and even at one point predicted he would be a one-term president. watch this clip. >> if i had to bet i would bet 3 1/2 but the democrats have to come with a reasonable candidate. if they have a complete leftist candidate trump will win again. >> sandra: he will ask how long with the president last. 3 1/2 years he suggested. he has come around on this president. >> i think a lot of people will ultimately given time and when reality overtakes the hype and the news feeds and the opinion pages, when reality is an individual -- >> sandra: hard economic numbers. >> you wake up and you are making more money and you have a job and a relative who thought they would never get back into the workforce because they add criminal record or something like that and they're working. things start to ignore the
headlines that have swayed your opinion until then. >> bill: it's all about your pocket and my pocket, right, about sandra? >> sandra: always about me, hemmer. >> we want everyone to do well around us. it starts at home. >> bill: let's talk about the markets. we talk about it every commercial. true story. we saw some high flyers take pretty big hits this past week, facebook, netflix, a bit of amazon and google. they have been responsible for a lot of the run-up we've seen. >> almost all of it. six or seven names have been responsible for the gains. amazon was responsible for 36% of the overall move. what we're seeing now is these companies they grow fast but the expectations get higher and higher and higher and what we're seeing now is a couple of them will have some trouble right now getting the benefit of the doubt.
facebook under a tremendous amount of pressure. in the last five days it's down 19% down for the year. netflix for a little while. netflix did pretty good. the ceo overhyped what they were going to do and didn't deliver on it. >> sandra: what's happening today. triple digit gain, the dow up 107 points as we speak. what's leading it? >> we were going to open flat and we came up big. big report out that the united states and china have restarted trade negotiations. what i find interesting about this, before that report in china this morning, they came out with some key manufacturing data. one of their most important manufacturing pieces of manufacturing data had a 23-month low. they're feeling the pain. it would behoove them to come to the table and cut a deal very quickly. and i think that's why you saw the news this morning. >> bill: you think we have leverage on that? >> we have so much more leverage than anyone would
expect. they talked about soybeans being a mid-term election issue and they tried to write off friday's gdp report as a -- the gains are enormous and we can't underscore how much power america has. this is our last chance to fix this. this is the last chance, folks. if you like it the way it is now that's fine. it is not going to get better unless we make it better. >> sandra: charles payne bringing the pain. >> great seeing you. >> sandra: fox news alert. the father of a missing iowa college student making a desperate plea for help. >> she is a very special person and we all feel that. but we need her back. she needs to be back in school, she needs to finish her degree. >> sandra: what investigators are now saying as the search intensifies for mollie tibbetts. >> bill: paul manafort becoming
mueller's first target facing trial this hour. alberto gonzales is our headliner coming up next.
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watch me. for less joint pain and clearer skin, ask your rheumatologist about cosentyx. >> sandra: fox news alert. investigators expected to update us on the search for missing iowa college student mollie tibbetts today. she was last seen nearly two weeks ago leaving her boyfriend's house to go for a jog. joining us now from chicago, matt finn has been on the story fours. what do we expect to learn today? >> this morning there are still a lot of obvious questions that investigators have not answered in the case telling us they do not want to compromise their investigation by revealing too much information that could benefit the wrong people. so this highly-anticipated press conference might finally reveal critical details in this investigation including whether mollie tibbetts had her cell phone on her when she went missing on july 18th and if police were able to extract
information from it. mollie is described as an avid runner known to wear her fit bit to give authorities critical information including her exact gps location and heart rate. have investigators pull information from that. she was staying at her boyfriend's house in brooklyn, iowa, when she went missing. her boyfriend was working 100 miles away and not named as a suspect. mollie's father is pleading to the public. >> if nobody has anything to hide they have nothing to fear. let law enforcement sort out what's right and wrong and have the courage to come forward and find mollie. she needs to be back in school, she needs to finish her degree. get her masters, ph.d., get married, buy a house, have kids. these are things we talked about. she has her whole life planned out. she needs to get on with her life so we have to find her.
>> mollie's laptop and social media might reveal she made it back inside her boyfriend's house the day she went missing. we'll bring you the latest in this case. >> sandra: that family desperate for any tips or leads that may still come in. >> bill: 10:30 in new york. a dramatic showdown in virginia. the trial for trump's former campaign manager paul manafort is underway. it will be the first test for the special counsel bob mueller and his investigation. want to bring in our headliner on that note judge alberto gonzales. former a.g. under george w. bush and author of a book. congratulations on the book and thanks for being our headliner. >> always good to be on your show. >> bill: what do you think is important to watch in the manafort matter now? >> well, i think bob mueller and his team by all accounts
has really i think established a strong predicate for successful prosecution here. i think we're on the eve -- i think the chances of paul manafort trying to reach some kind of deal has passed us and i think the trial is going to proceed and we have to see the case be laid out by the prosecution. by all accounts paul manafort believes he is innocent and will be able to be successful in this trial. that remains to be seen. i had a lot of confidence in bob mueller when he was my f.b.i. director. i suspect he has done his homework and worked with the team and has a strong case. we'll have to see what happens. i don't know whether paul manafort believes he is innocent. i assume he does. there is a lot of risk for him and his liberty. perhaps he is also hoping or anticipating that if unsuccessful the president may pardon him. we'll have to wait and see. that's a long shot. i don't think you go into this
thinking even if i get convicted i still may get a pardon. that's a big risk. he obviously has a lot on the table. >> sandra: based on everything you just said is it fair to say this is the first big test of the mueller probe? >> well, i wouldn't call it part of the mueller probe. i think this is a case that probably would have been brought irrespective of the appointment of a special counsel. wrongdoing -- the alleged wrongdoing was discovered in connection with the mueller probe but it is quite possible that this would have come to light in any event. and so i don't really consider this part of the russia probe. i think this is simply a case where bob mueller has found evidence that an american citizen has engaged in bank fraud and tax evasion and so because it does come out of his investigation of russian meddling, the mandate given to him by rod rosenstein, allows him to go forward with this prosecution and that's what he is doing. >> bill: i think kellyanne conway agrees with you.
she was with us last hour and characterized it the same way. listen to what she said. >> the judge has very strictly instructed no mention of paul manafort's role in the trump campaign. this trial obviously centers on matters that have nothing to do with the campaign. i think that even mr. manafort, as i read it, had requested that there be no mention of his brief tenure at the trump campaign. >> bill: andrew mccarthy chipped in last hour. he called in a bigger question about the fundamentals what are happening-in-law. >> this case, while it has been called the first test of mueller's investigation, to my mind really isn't. it's a test of whether he can get manafort convicted of something but it really tells us very little about the thing he is here to investigate. it's a fair question to ask,
bill, what do we need a special counsel for? >> bill: can you answer that? >> i agree that a normal prosecutor outside the authority of a special counsel could have prosecuted this case. but that would have been a waste of resources in my judgment given the fact that the special counsel's office in connection with the mueller probe has discovered all this information and does have the authority to -- the broad authority under the rosenstein grant of authority to move forward with this prosecution. so i think it would be a waste of resources and time to simply have allocated this to another office and so, you know, but i totally agree. >> bill: has -- >> a prosecutor that didn't have a special counsel designation could have brought this. >> the special counsel law, has it gone too broad? >> well, i think it's a question of who you ask. if you're on the law enforcement side probably say maybe not.
if you're someone that is subject to possible investigation unrelated to the initial charge for the special counsel you might say that it has gone overboard. if you ask bill clinton he would say it is too broad quite frankly. but again the question here is whether or not a federal crime has been committed irrespective of who will prosecute it and who is investigating it. has a federal crime been committed and if so it should be investigate i had and prosecuted. people who engage in wrongdoing should be held to account. >> sandra: based on that it's still a question because robert mueller won't tell us to be asked. shouldn't the president be asked to sit down with a one-on-one with mueller. >> that's a question for the special counsel to ask and there are stories reporting that request has been made and, of course, the key question is whether or not will the president sit down for an interview. most defense lawyers would say
and advise their client not to sit down for an interview. i think there is a legitimate question whether or not a president could even be prosecuted for perjury. there is i think a legitimate question as to how far a prosecutor can go in trying to force a president to produce evidence such as documents orrall testimony. these are all questions that could be teed up depending on the way bob mueller decides to move forward with the investigation and future prosecution. >> bill: brett kavanaugh will move forward. rand paul says he is a yes. that probably clears the path for his ascension to the supreme court. you are talking about the outrageous excuse given opposed to his service because he served in the bush administration. what should we know about comments from people like chuck schumer on the floor of the senate who said the following. >> senate republicans are only
requesting documents from two of the five years that judge kavanaugh was in the white house. only documents from his time in the white house counsel's office, not as staff secretary. >> bill: you have that. some are suggesting it could be a million pages or more from his time at the white house. what do you think of that, sir? >> i think it's unfair to paint brett with responsibility or authority with respect to every piece of paper that goes to the staff secretary's office and finds its way to the president of the united states. the job of the staff secretary is to make sure the appropriate people with responsibility and expertise weigh in on policy matters so that when documents go to the president, everyone who has information with respect to that particular issue has commented on that policy issue. and again, brett's role as staff secretary was not in any way to shape policy but make sure appropriate people have looked at the issue at hand. i think to paint brett with
responsibility for everything that went through that staff secretary's office quite frankly is unfair. >> sandra: should he be confirmed? >> no question in my mind he should be confirmed unless there is something in his background that i'm unaware of. he has been vetted before. brett was one of my lawyers when i was white house counsel. very bright and hard working, a person of great integrity from my perspective. not arrogant. people liked working with brett and i think his service on the d.c. circuit has been outstanding. i think he would make a fine justice on the u.s. supreme court. >> bill: i hope you come back soon. thank you for your time, alberto gonzales. our headliner today. thank you, sir. >> sandra: the tsa firing back against a new report that claims they are spying on everyday americans while traveling through u.s. airports and in the air. is their surveillance program protecting against 9/11 style attacks or big brother going too far? our a-team is here. >> bill: president trump back
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next flight to monitor the person seems a little creepy to me. it's a new program. i think you need to know if you are actually stopping anything. the previous behavior of federal air marshals was to go on high-risk flights not track specific people. these are public locations, but a lot of questions need to be answered here. >> sandra: what they're doing with the information they seem to be gathering. they are reporting federal air marshals are tracking everyday u.s. citizens that are going about their daily behavior, whether traveling through the airports or on the airplane itself. >> transparency and accountability. making sure the tsa is accountable and transparent to the american people coming on the heels of the big story from the tsa a couple weeks ago of their pack-on procedures. intrusive at best. tsa has a bad track record and now tracking how you stare at them and understanding a lot of americans who have travel
anxiety, who don't like to fly. giving somebody a cold stare in tsa isn't necessarily a reason to get tracked. >> bill: we're no different to the cop on the corner placed this because there is an increased possibility that something might happen. when you're in a tube at 30,000 feet it makes sense to put someone there. end quote. >> as a frequent flier i can't believe i'm about to defend the tsa but this is the debate we've been having for 17 years about privacy versus security since 9/11. if we look, the tsa's mission is to prevent an attack by using an airline or at an airport. think about what happened and you know this well from your business background, after 9/11 and the stock market. we saw several airlines that went bankrupt following those attacks. it is not only the safety and security of the airways, it is that we have to have confidence in the security of our air travel around the country. very important to business as
well. >> sandra: john, the tsa in their defense talks about observing behavioral detection and that's where the gray line lies, right? the globe shows the checklist for armed undercover air marshals that ask if the passenger in question is gripping or white knuckling their bags, have a jump in their adams apple or cold, penetrating stare. >> you are worried that they're checking the box. he was gripping his bag tightly and now he is on a list. my boss was on a terror watch list. there are mistakes in the bureaucracies. it is a good thing focusing on behavior. you go overseas and people observe your behavior. if someone is competent and qualified to observe behavior you want to look for things that are unusual. that's what people should be doing. you are worried that -- >> sandra: the story fascinates
people. it's a computer algorithm. then it goes to a human team and they look for red flags in actual background. >> this is a see-saw we've been dealing with for 17 years. i land on the side the terrorists win we give up our civil liberties. how much you grip a bag or have a stare. >> bill: i signed up for clear. >> it's not just the cold stare. it is also a pattern of flying behavior. the human team and algorithm. if you get off a flight from saudi arabia. someone flies from dubuque in albuquerque. >> gripping a bag, cold stare. >> bill: this malaysian air flight mystery will never be solved. not pilot air.
it is like the amelia earhart story of our day. we will never return. >> maybe the messiah returned and we all got left but that plane. >> bill: that would make a story. >> sandra: thank you a-team. >> bill: lebron james is calling out the white house, what's new on that? we'll tell you why. a new survey says people drinking and shopping are a bad combo. >> have you ever done it? >> the 24/7 crew apparently has.
bringing up a point lebron says we can all agree with as sports fan. sports was always the saving grace. we have sports to keep us from talking about politics. but the two now have intersected and leah gabriel brought up a good point. who started this? who kneeled first? colin kaepernick kneeled first and the president responded to this because i believe the commissioner of the nfl did not do so in a strong enough, effective matter. what started as a one or two alarm fire is like five or six alarms and no one has a clue how to put it out. >> sandra: how are fans responding to lebron's remarks here? >> people who are pro-trump will bash what he says and vice versa. lebron james is a powerful figure. >> bill: a lot of people listen to him. moving to l.a. will give him a bigger voice. do you think he has a future in politics? >> if he wanted to he could. he opened up a public school
for at-risk third and fourth graders. he has much bigger dreams than just the basketball court. you wonder if lebron james -- he is not running for president. if he said i want to become the president, he would get some votes. >> he was asked that question last night. if nobody else is going to run for office and president trump was going to win and you were the only saving grace for the democratic party would you run? he said yeah, maybe i would. i don't know if politics is really in his future but he was asked that question. >> bill: will he be #46? >> no, no. >> #23 times two. i don't think so. >> he was asked last night also if he was sitting across the table from the president, what would he say to the president? he said i would never sit across the table from president trump. and my question here is how are people supposed to come together if you can't even talk to the people that you disagree with? i also think that president
trump missed a major opportunity when he disinvited the golden state warriors and eagles to the white house as well. it could have been a cool moment that he missed. i think people need to come together and start talking about it in a serious way. >> sandra: so many ask themselves is it a good idea to drink and shop? >> i will say it's not a good idea. i'll get to why later. but there was a new study that found out that people spend $30 billion a year shopping while drinking. essentially drunk shopping. the interesting thing here how much you spend depends on what you drink. gin drinkers spend the most. >> also the shopping late friday night. people are buying lingerie big time on friday nights. an interesting one. kids know what their parents,
they see mom or dad has had a few and the perfect time to ask for the toy or something and kids do it. they know their parents. have we ever made a purchase that our inhibitions were down? >> it's so easy to shop online now. a click of a button and you have your perfect toy. >> sandra: if you do it, save it to the cart and maybe push the purchase button on the cart the next day when you put thought into it. >> i've never done that before. >> outside of a pizza? >> pizza for sure and why it's a bad idea. 50% of people returning the things that they purchased when they do this. >> maybe not so good for the retailers. >> eating choices. you are more likely to say i'll get that. there is a reason why in nevada it's against the law for casinos to allow visibly drunk customers to gamble. there is a reason why. >> what a story. thanks to both of you.
>> bill: trump and lebron would get along very well for the record. >> i'm with you. >> sandra: we're watching the images coming out of california this morning. monster wildfires sweeping across the west as firefighters from across the country run in to help crews stretched to the limit. we're live on the ground there in moments. plus another big story we're watching today. president trump saying he is willing to meet with iran's president without any pre-conditions. congressman lee zeldin is on go deck and the push for stronger border security from the trump administration. all this is our third hour of "america's newsroom." come right back. sleep cycle... ...so you can seize the morning. new! zzzquil pure zzzs. new laptop with 24/7 tech support. yep, thanks guys. i think he might need some support. yes
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>> sandra: fox news alert on new reaction to the president's offer to the leader of iran, a sit-down with no strings attached. welcome to a brand-new hour of "america's newsroom." good tuesday morning. i'm sandra smith. >> bill: i'm bill hemmer. good morning. president trump says he is ready to meet any time anywhere where the iranian president as he has had two other high-profile sit-downs with adversaries. kellyanne conway making that point on "america's newsroom." >> the president has made clear he is open to conversation and negotiation. he has done that with chairman kim and mr. putin. he has always said if it's not a good deal for the united states and our interest and workers and security he will walk away any time. he is always open to negotiation and conversation.
>> bill: john roberts on the north lawn with us today. john, good morning. starting a new hour, how are you? >> good morning. i'm doing fine, thanks. the president again playing his bad cop/good cop routine this time with iran. yesterday at a press conference with the italian prime minister surprising the nation by saying that he would be willing to meet with iran's leader rouhani without pre-condition. listen here. >> president trump: i believe in meeting. i would certainly meet with iran if they wanted to meet. i don't know if they're ready net. they're having a hard time now. i don't do it from strength or weakness. it is an appropriate thing to do. if we could work something out that's meaningful. not the waste of paper that the other deal was, i would certainly be willing to meet. >> the offer follows a stern warning from the president on twitter two weeks ago when he threatened iran with consequences the likes of which through throughout history have
ever suffered. the immediate reaction was to reject talks unless the u.s. goes back to the iran deal. they said the united states is not trustworthy. how could we trust this country when it withdraws from the nuclear deal? the president is following the script that he followed with north korea, harsh sanctions, punishing rhetoric against the leadership eventually ending up in a meeting which may or may not lead anywhere in the long term. the president also taking aim at the powerful koch brothers who pledged 400 million to support policy and candidates the president tweeting out this morning, quote, the globalist koch brothers who have become a joke in real republican -- i don't need their money or bad ideas. they love my tax and regulation cuts, judicial picks and more. i made them richer.
their network is highly overrated. they want to protect their companies outside the u.s. from being taxed. i'm for the american worker. two nice guys with bad ideas, make america great again. the tweet comes after the koch brothers announced yesterday that they were not going to throw their support behind kevin kramer, the republican candidate for the senate seat in north dakota locked in a tight race with the democrat heidi heitkamp. here is what the rnc chairwoman said earlier this morning. >> it was very disappointing to see they won't support kevin kramer in this all-too important north dakota senate race. heitkamp hasn't been a supporters of the policies of the president and kevin kramer has. >> the race is an important one. the gop thinks they may be able to pick up a seat increasing margins in the senate. the real clear politics average
has the race within a single point. kramer leads by a half point. the koch brothers oppose the president's plan on tariffs. there is at least a couple of areas there where they are clearly in disagreement. >> bill: thank you, john. nice to see you. thank you, sir. >> sandra: president trump heading to florida a bit later today for another big mid-term campaign rally. this one for ron desantis who is running for governor in that all-important swing state. minutes from now we will be speaking with desantis live but first rnc chair ronna mcdaniel earlier on "america's newsroom." >> you're seeing where the emergency of the republican party is now, solidly behind the president. as he endorses these candidates his base goes to these candidate and gives them a big boost and you are seeing it in florida right now. >> sandra: mike warren with us now. are you seeing the energy of the republican party as ronna
mcdaniel just said solidly behind this president? >> certainly among primary voters. we saw that recently in georgia where the georgia republican nominee brian kemp got a big boost in the runoff because of an endorsement from president trump. it seems to me the most important issue in any contested republican primary is donald trump and whether or not you are behind donald trump or not. or whether or not you are strong enough supporter of donald trump. ron desantis running against adam putnam. putnam a long-time florida politician. young but in congress and the state legislature and agriculture commissioner and checked all the right boxes, ron desantis has supported the president and an ad showing him reading to his infant son the art of the deal. so grab onto donald trump. >> sandra: building the wall, right? >> yes. you have to grab onto donald trump if you want to succeed
and really that's the most and maybe the only important thing in a primary. >> sandra: speaking of ads. adam putnam got the endorsement of pam bondi. she was a staunch trump supporter and went to bat for the president. she is now in putnam's camp. what a difference a debate and endorsement by the president makes when you look at that particular race with ron desantis and adam putnam. >> i think the momentum has gone in desantis's direction. a couple of recent polls showing him ahead of putnam and i think the writing is on the wall. you have president trump going down there, very popular among florida republicans. and i think that you are likely to see what happened to brian kemp happen to ron desantis. it is really the only issue. i haven't seen or heard anything in the debates or in these ads that really distinguishes the two candidates on any issues. really the only important issue
here is donald trump. >> sandra: meanwhile the president's next move as far as his policies are concerned in the potential he is saying no pre-conditions necessary with a potential meeting with the iranian president. a lot of reaction pouring into that this morning. any time, anywhere, says the president. >> this seems like something that was an off the cuff remark from the president. i'm told there is nothing really being discussed at the white house about any kind of meeting. again, last week there was this blowup over twitter and i think there is a big question here that supporters of the president need to be asking, which is could the president be willing to go and renegotiate a nuclear deal that essentially recasts the sanctions relief the obama nuclear deal did? these sanctions that are coming that have got the iranians really upset are having a big effect. even the sanctions aren't there yet and having a big effect on
the economy. but i think there is a fear among some iran hawks the president might be willing to renegotiate and pull those sanctions off again if he is in some kind of one-on-one meeting with rouhani or anybody in the iranian regime. >> sandra: mike warren, senior writer at the weekly standard. you set it up for us. that big rally will be happening tonight down in florida with the president and 7:00 hour. it's expected. >> bill: we'll be watching it. fox news alert on the raging wildfires in california. crews are battling more than a dozen fires. triple digit temperatures. the winds are gusty. thousands of buildings are burned or destroyed and countless residents forced from their homes. jeff paul live in redding, california by the carr fire, the biggest of those burning now. how are things today? good morning. >> good morning, bill. the carr fire continues to grow in size but containment levels are up now at 27%. firefighters tell us that they feel like they have a better
hold on this fire and as a result they're starting to allow the first round of evacuees to return home. unfortunately many of them are pulling into their driveways to find a scene like this. as you take a look over here you can see house after house in this redding neighborhood destroyed. many residents coming home will have to face that reality that they have lost everything. the fire right now is at 110,000 acres. the number of dead remains at six people. two children and their great grandmother, two firefighters and one other person who has yet to be identified. close to 1,000 structures destroyed. that number could rise as the fire continues to threaten a few additional thousand homes with the fire still burning. >> i lost it all. every bit of it. i'm sorry. it's just been devastating, period. it is so hard. i just can't get my mind around it. i lost everything.
they gave you five minutes to get out. what do you grab in five minutes? >> along the california coast, some fires have grown in size. but containments are getting better. two fires have burned more than 75,000 acres and they're threatening 12,000 structures. to complicate matters while it is a little cooler here, bill, we're calling out here -- forecasts are calling for another dry and hot day throughout those areas where the wildfires are burning, bill. >> bill: jeff paul in redding, california on that. >> sandra: fox news alert new reaction coming in from president trump as the company is one day now away from making untraceable 3d printed guns available to the public. how several states and washington are responding. >> bill: as we mentioned president trump heading to florida today rallying for his preferred candidate for
governor. hotly contested primary. congressman ron desantis wants to be the next governor in florida and make his case for us live coming up today. >> sandra: president trump repeating his threat to shut down the government over his immigration demands. can a shutdown be avoided? representative joni ernst is here and she joins us next. >> president trump: if we don't get border security after many, many years of talk within the united states, i would have no problem doing a shutdown.
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at the all-new carfax.com. >> bill: washington, d.c., fox news alert getting a few tidbits inside the jury selection that's underway in the trial of paul manafort. 75 potential jurors are being interviewed right now. the judge t.s. ellis is saying that nothing is more important than jury duty as an american. also apparently jurors have heard all the charges against manafort are financial in nature. this is underway. we'll see how it goes. alexandria, virginia, 11:15 in new york. >> sandra: president trump doubling down on his threat to shut down the government over funding for his border wall. mcconnell says he is optimistic congress will work out a deal. >> we'll finish up the set of appropriation measures.
we've been considering for several days and take four more big steps toward our goal of completing a regular appropriations process and funding the government in a timely and orderly manner. >> sandra: iowa republican senator joni ernst joins us now. thank you for joining us on the program this morning. are you as optimistic as the majority leader? >> i am. i do think we can get our appropriations bill done. we've been working very hard at them. we would rather not see a government shutdown. i do think the president needs to be heard when he talks about making sure our borders are secure, building the wall and reforming our immigration process. i think we all can work together on that. >> sandra: kellyanne conway joined us from the white house earlier this morning and really set up what this debate looks like as we head toward the mid-term elections. less than 100 days away. watch this. >> this president could not be more clear for the last three plus years now on what he thinks about a broken immigration system and repeated
it yesterday and catch and release, releasing people into the interior of this country. ending chain migration. going to a merit-based system of immigration and of course having that wall. having border security. it is a stark contrast to the democratic party running to abolish ice. >> sandra: how do things play out this fall? >> well, i think we can continue working on our appropriations bills. i think that is really important. and at some point we do need to have a vigorous debate on immigration. we can't avoid this. we do have to protect our nation. we have to make sure our borders are strong. and of course we need immigration. we have an unemployment rate of 2.7% in iowa and we know that we need workers both skilled and unskilled. and we certainly aren't growing our own so we know that we need help with that. but we have to debate these items and we have to be very thoughtful about it. we can't get emotional about the issue. we have to do what is right for
our country. >> sandra: as far as your concerns in your state, senator, about the president's policy on trade and tariffs, i say this as we're a couple hours into the trading day. u.s. stock market, dow is up triple digits right now. some of those concerns have been eased. this is on the mind of those that live in your state every single day. what do you tell them? >> well, i had the opportunity to visit with them over the weekend because i was out doing county tours and town halls. so many of our farmers and those engaged in the agricultural industry are very concerned about trade and tariffs. but we know the economy is doing well. it just happens to be our ag secretary the markets are down. we want to see trade and we saw a little bit of hope there with the e.u. and the fact they'll be purchasing more soybeans. so if the president can get good deals for us, seal up the deal with mexico and canada and move to other free trade
agreements we'll be doing just fine. but again we want to see that trade. we want to see open markets. we would rather have that than, of course, the aid that is being proposed by the federal government. >> sandra: the numbers coming out of the chamber of commerce showing that bailing out all sectors hit by the president's tariffs would cost $39 billion, senator. >> yeah. that's way too much. the farmers that i have spoken with have said we don't want aid, we don't need the subsidies. what we want to see the fa -- the fact that we can grow our goods and get them to new and developing markets. i encourage to president to keep pushing. let's get good deals and done soon so we don't lose great opportunity and a great economy here in the united states. >> sandra: we hear your message. senator joni ernst, good to have you on the program. >> bill: new images out of north korea. what they may some about the
country's nuclear program and intent. how concerned should the u.s. and our allies be? what's the real price tag for the medicare for all plan being pushed by bernie sanders. the number is in and it's a doozy. dr. marc siegel is here next.
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would boost healthcare spending by more than $32 trillion over 10 years. that would mean a lot of taxes. dr. marc siegel fox news contributor and professor of medicine. $32 trillion. do you believe that number? >> came out of a reputable study out of george mason in virginia. that's more than double the amount of taxes individuals and corporations pay over 10 years. we would have to somehow raise money double what we're already paying in taxes to fund this. that's a lot of money. i don't know -- there are ways it would save money. decreases administrative costs. medicare and medicaid are less in cost than private insurance. they would use the block to negotiate drug prices. two savings. cost, no co-pays or deductibles. if you have a co-pay or deductible you might think twist before spending it. with medicare for all, single
payer, you don't have that. second problem is rationing. in canada which is single payer you can't get a hip replacement when you need one or the stent when you need one. wait three or four weeks to get a cardiac stent with chest pain. it's not the first time the $32 trillion has been floated out there. i believe this number. this is a huge, huge expense. >> bill: we'll hear a lot about it. many democrats are talking about it. as we get into this campaign you'll hear more about it. do you see this as ever possible in america? >> two reasons it's not going to happen in america. you point out in america. australia has a system of single payer that works with medicare for all but that's for basic catastrophic needs. it won't work in america for
two reasons. one, we talked about the price tag. two, it's a direct attack on the employer healthcare system. 170 million people are already insured through their employer. it works for employer and employee. employer doesn't have to pay taxes on the amount that they are giving and for the employee it's an incentive. i'll take that job. i get my health coverage through that. that is a system under direct attack. >> bill: we'll hear more about this as a political issue. you say it's a pipe dream. >> the insurance companies will never let this happen. they are a lobby in the united states and why a democrat talking point. our insurance industry i think, you've heard me say this many times, is too strong. i think the insurer is in the doctor's office interfering with doctor and patient but they're powerful. let's replace them with the government? also should not be interfering. >> bill: high taxes a lot. i don't know what you have to pay. is it 80% or 90%, whatever the number is.
the reason people like sanders like this. they argue administrative costs are lower and you would be able to negotiate drug prices better and more competitively. do you believe that? >> yes, i believe that but i also think that the trump administration is on the right track with getting more generics approved and more competition and more choice. that's on the right track. i like free market solutions to this. i think medicare for all would be hugely expensive and not deliver what it is promising. look, bill, we're coming into a time of innovation. we're talking about chemotherapy, immunotherapy and genetic therapies that only work for one person, not the other person. how do you propose single payer covers that? it won't. the treatments of the future won't be covered. >> bill: very good, thank you, sir. $32 trillion over 10 years. >> never going to happen. thank you. >> sandra: the first trial sparked by the mueller investigation currently
underway, the jury being selected in the case involving paul manafort. new details on what is happening inside of that courthouse. we're live on the scene next. >> bill: he wants to be the governor in the state of florida. tonight he will get a big push from the president. congressman ron desantis is here live as he gets ready for the big rally in tampa tonight.
homework and worked with his team and has a very strong case here. >> sandra: peter doocy live from outside the federal courthouse in alexandria, virginia. what's happening there? >> i was just inside where paul manafort is sitting up on the ninth floor in a courtroom wearing a suit unlike the last time he was here where they brought him in a prison jumpsuit. he is quietly observing jury selection which just began. he is sitting in a courtroom he was driven to from jail in the back of a non-descript gray van and the judge in this case t.s. ellis just told a pool of 75 potential jurors he thinks there is nothing more important than jury duty as an american. the 18 charges are for filing false tax returns, bank fraud and conspiracy to commit bank fraud. just yesterday the feds, who months ago car aide out a raid on one of his houses allege he has been hiding $60 million
from the i.r.s. he got consulting or lobbying from ukrainian politicians including some backed by russia but none are from the five months associated with the trump campaign and the white house isn't sweating today's proceedings. >> i would note for your audience, bill, that the judge has very strictly instructed no mention of paul manafort's role in the trump campaign, don't mention trump, russia or collusion. this trial obviously centers on matters that have nothing to do with the campaign. >> back in may the judge in this case accused the special counsel's office of using financial charges to pressure paul manafort into giving robert mueller damaging information about the president. one of the special counsel's prosecutors fired back at the time that he doesn't expect any of the government's witnesses testifying against manafort to mention russia ever. and we certainly have not heard
that here during the jury selection so far. >> sandra: peter doocy, thank you. >> bill: president trump heads to florida, campaign stop another big campaign rally trying to give congressman ron desantis the bump as he looks to become the next governor of florida. ron desantis is my guest now. how are you doing and good day to you? big rally in tampa tonight? what do you think the president has done for your campaign in this primary? >> well, obviously he is the 800 pound gorilla in republican politics. a lot of our voters at the grassroots level are frustrated when they see some republicans not trying to support him. that's something that they look for. are you supporting the president? well, in my case people are seeing that the president is supporting me. that's a great thing to have and especially in a primary when all the candidates try to say a lot of the same things, say they're so conservative. the record doesn't always bear that out. but i think trump's support separates the wheat from the
chaff and i think it has been a big boost for me. >> bill: adam putnam is your primary opponent and has a lot of support in florida. pam bondi and others. what is going to give in this primary? >> i think there are a couple of things. one, bill, we have a different biography. i'm an iraq veteran. served in the navy. he has been in leadership since he was 22. i'm a proven conservative leader and my actions back up the reality. adam is somebody even some of his high-profile supporters have called him amnesty adam putnam for being weak on illegal immigration. he is trying to reinvent himself and it isn't working. you have the president and that factor. there are a number of factors. fox doing a debate early on in the primary was a big differentiator and i think that really reset the race and set the tone and we basically just built momentum from that point
on. >> bill: i have heard you mention that before. the tweet from today. the white house west wing i'll be in tampa later tonight. desantis will be a great governor for florida. big help on tax and regulation cuts, loves our military and vets and has my total endorsement. you will take that into the primary. those who argue the president has been effective supporting primary candidates but not general election candidates. what would you argue on that? >> i think we'll have a lot of success in the general election across the country. here in florida, bill, our state is going in the right direction. we've done a lot of good things under governor scott's leadership. unemployment rate is under 4. an historic opportunity to expand our economic base and really create high-paying jobs because of the trump tax cuts. and i think that florida voters will want to continue with the success and so we've got a good story to tell as republicans down here and i think it will carry the day here. but i also think the president's support in other
key senate races like missouri and north dakota and montana will be critical in bringing more republicans to the u.s. senate starting in 2019. >> bill: you are drawing your campaign tight with the white house. the latest ad you have put out, a little shot of that right now. watch. >> ron loves reading to kids. he reads stories. >> then mr. trump said you're fired. i love that part. >> he is teaching madison to talk. >> make america great again. >> people say ron is all trump but he is so much more. >> that is pretty obvious, sir. >> bill, you know, sometimes in this process you have to be able to take a step back and laugh at yourself a little bit. have a little fun with it. my wife is my best supporter and best friend. i wanted to introduce voters to her and to my family which is number one for me. we also wanted to do it in a way that people could get a little laugh out of and we could have a lighter touch.
for people that are getting upset about it shows they have no sense of humor and they just totally don't get what we were trying to convey. >> bill: ron desantis. thank you for your time. we'll see the rally tonight and watch it live at 7:00 eastern. we'll talk to the other side tomorrow. adam putnam is our guest in "america's newsroom." we'll get his take as the primary battle heats up three weeks away. >> sandra: watching the battle over homemade guns. eight states suing the trump administration over its decision to let a texas company public on-line instructions for 3d printed guns. president trump is still on the fence. president trump responded by tweeting this. i'm looking into the 3d plastic guns being sold to the public. spoke to nra. doesn't seem to make much sense. a senator firing back this morning. >> it doesn't make any sense that your justice department and your state department agreed to make 3d guns
available to the public. as of tomorrow, anyone, including criminals and terrorists, can have access to blueprints for making deadly weapons with the click of a mouse. >> sandra: anita vogel is live in los angeles. a lot of people watching this story, anita. >> yes, definitely. it's the big concern. for anyone not familiar with what this is. a 3d downloadable gun is known as a ghost gun and can be printed at home with a specialized 3d printer and turned into a weapon that's not traceable. that's because you can make it with plastic. the company that makes the designs out of texas is planning to make the drawings available online tomorrow for virtually anyone to see and download. now eight states plus the district of columbia are suing the state department for recently settling with the company allowing them to
publish the blueprints. >> for god sakes, when it comes to something as basic as public safety, our state department saying hey, this is a giveaway for terrorists. it undermines all the hard work everybody here behind me has dedicated much of their professional lives to of keeping us safe. >> because the state department is charged with regulating the sale of firearms outside of the u.s., it was the agency which blocked defense distributed when it wanted to publish the gun blueprints in 2013. two years later the company sued the state department. the owner claiming his free speech rights were being violated by not allowing him to publish. just this past june last month the state department settled the suit saying certain firearms and related items are already widely available for commercial sale but just last week secretary of state mike pompeo said he had reservations about making this information available to just anybody.
>> i asked the state department to please reconsider this decision. i think it has long term national security and domestic security considerations for our country. >> you have my commitment i'll take a look at it. >> defense distributed vowed as of august 1, tomorrow, the age of the downloadable gun begins. the reality is a lot of plans are already online. the issue will likely fall under the purview of the departments of justice and commerce. look for more lawsuits to come. >> sandra: we will indeed. thank you. >> bill: a major headline from yesterday. president trump saying he is willing to meet with the leaders of iran with no strings attached. how is that playing in congress? lee zeldin on the house foreign relations committee is our guest in a moment. first here is senator lindsey graham. >> i would like to listen to what the president has to say in terms of his thinking but beforehand i thought it was a
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>> the president has made a lot of great play calls as relates to iran since coming into office. pulling out of the iran nuclear deal was the right move and pushing back an iranian aggression in iraq and syria. working with allies in that region forming a coalition to push back against iranian aggression in that region. i would love the opportunity to talk to the president why i believe it isn't the right decision to sit down with rouhani at this time. i could see rouhani as he is walking into the meeting talking about how israel is a little satan, america the great satan. chanting death to america. the guy has blood all over his hands as far as dead u.s. service members and this iranian leadership, this regime, i don't want us to prop up and i don't want the imagery in any way, shape or form looking like our nations are equal. the largest state sponsor of terror. i could see them walking into a
meeting with president trump and walking out chanting death to america. there are certain basics in order to earn the ability to sit down with president trump, because iran is desperate for keeping the iran nuclear deal. they're desperate for it, not us. they need to sanctions relief. if they need the meeting, i don't want to see them in any way trying to embarrass our president and country and that's what i'm concerned about is protecting our president and our country in not trusting these iranians in particular that are in charge of their nation. >> sandra: out of the break we showed your colleague in the senate lindsey graham giving the president credit for being tougher on iran. is the president -- could the president even go stronger on iran than he already is in your view? >> of course. the fact is the military option is on the table and real but it is the last possible option. not the one that we want. we want to see effective
multi-lateral diplomacy. we want to see ramping up economic pressure. the information campaign. there are millions of iranians that want a different direction for their nation. when we talk about -- when we hear people in the united states talk about how the most moderate candidates get elected in iran. that's ignoring the fact that 12,000 most moderate candidates don't get allowed access to the ballot. the military option is real so you can get tougher. however, that's not something that i believe that he wants, that our nation wants. but yes, it's on the table. >> sandra: yesterday the president met with the italian prime minister and spent time heaping praise on the country for its tough immigration policies. watch this. >> president trump: the prime minister frankly is with us today because of illegal immigration. italy got tired of it. they didn't want it any longer. i applaud the prime minister for his bold leadership, truly bold. and i hope more leaders will
follow this example, including leaders in europe. >> sandra: all of this is coming, congressman, has the president doubles down on the rhetoric he will shut down the government if he doesn't get funding for his border wall. is this a good play by the president? >> as far as the leverage that he has in the appropriations battle it is good to put that marker down right now to let congress know that congress needs to do its job in insuring our borders are more secured. we have an immigration policy in our nation that is flawed. every nation's backbone is its rule of law, whether it's italy, other nations within europe or the united states of america. this president knows that there are many people and things illegal substances coming across our borders as well that we need to do a better job funding the effort against. where the president wants to combat the heroin and opioid abuse epidemic across our country or combating illegal immigration, the president is making a play call now which is correct in letting him know
sending a message to congress don't come to me at the end of september and try to explain why you didn't do anything at all. that's not an option. >> sandra: congressman lee zeldin in new york. thank you very much, sir. >> bill: "outnumbered" is next. quick preview with melissa francis. >> the trial of paul manafort is underway. it is a small part of robert mueller's russia probe the stakes are sky high legally and politically what a conviction or acquittal with mean for mueller, the president and even the mid-term elections. the president holding a rally in florida tonight. whether he is a king maker for the party is up for debate. we'll debate it. #oneluckyguy at the top of the hour. >> bill: new concerns about north korea's nuclear program. why it now appears chairman kim
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launched if three different test firings last year. this comes after last month's summit involving president trump and north korea leader kim jong-un at which time chairman kim promised he would work towards denuclearization and also amid a meeting today at the dmz between north and south korean generals trying to cool things there. there are other problems. just last week remember we heard secretary of state pompeo admit that north korea continues also to produce fissile material for nuclear bombs and it comes amid other moves by north korea in a positive direction including the dismantling of a missile engine test firing site and what we have been following in the last couple of days, the return of those remains of u.s. service members lost in the korean war. tomorrow they will be repatriated back to hawaii. the takeaway from today's news is nothing is straight forward when it comes to north korea but some good news, some bad news. >> bill: greg palkot in london on that.
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