thinking isn't a guns situation. >> when "all in" starts right now. >> good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. one week after we learned robert mueller had brought indictments against two top trump officials, announced a guilty plea for a third, all eyes on a former high-ranking official in the trump administration itself, michael flynn. a man who spent 24 days in the white house as the president's national security adviser. nbc news exclusively reporting that shmueler now has enough evidence to file charges in the investigation into flynn and his son michael flynn jr., according to multiple sources familiar with mueller's investigation. to be clear nbc news is not reporting who might be charged, only that there is sufficient evidence to file charges in that investigation. three sources tell nbc news that investigators plan to soon speak with multiple witnesses to gather more information about flynn's lobbying work, including whether he laundered money or lied to federal agents about his
overseas contacts. that news comes as the two former trump campaign aides facing indictments -- that would be paul manafort and his deputy rick gates -- were back in court today. the federal judge ruling they must remain under house arrest with her movements tracked by gps as they continue to negotiate a possible bail package. the president weighed in on manafort in combination with sinclair broadcast group. >> the reputation i felt was good. i had him for a short period of time. he was only in there for a finite period of time. but, you know, i feel badly for him. i always found him to be a really nice person. >> were mueller to file an obstruction of justice charge against the president, it would likely be flynn at the center of it. former fbi director james comey says the president pressured him to drop the investigation into flynn over flynn's conversations with the russian ambassador during the presidential transition. remember, flynn denied discussing u.s. sanctions against russia with the ambassador during several
exchanges, including, according to "the washington post," during an interview with the fbi. but intercepted communications reportedly contradicted flynn's account. now comey says he refused to drop the flynn investigation. shortly afterwards, trump fired him. which led to mueller being named special counsel. >> do you think he would ever consider trying to have mueller removed? or have you pledged to just stay out of that? >> well, i hope he is treating everything fairly. and if he is, i'm going to be very happy. because when you talk about innocent, i'm truly not involved in any form of collusion with russia, believe me. >> after the presidential campaign last year was over, flynn, just like the now indicted paul manafort, retroactively went on to register as a foreign agent. during a period when he was attending secret intelligence briefings with then candidate trump, flynn was being paid more than half a million dollars to lobby on behalf of the turkish government. even had the audacity to write a pro turkish government op-ed in
which he called recep tayyip erdogan chief antagonist, a muslim cleric living in exile in pennsylvania who erdogan blames for last year's failed coup. a senior law enforcement official tells nbc news's ken dilanian that in the weeks after trump was inaugurated, they were asked to extradite guillen. it's not clear whether the request came from flynn. i'm joined by the national security reporter who has been doing some amazing report thong story. let's start with that we learn head got half a million dollars to represent turkish interests through an intermediary. do you actually think about expediting fethullah gulen which is a key goal of erdogan. what do you know of this extradition that would have happened after flynn was actually in the u.s. government? >> just the very, very basics, chris, just what we said in the story, which is that the fbi was asked during the trump administration while mike flynn was the national security
adviser to take another look at this. and they had no reason to reexamine it because they had already looked at it during the obama administration and had no evidence to fulfill turkey's extradition request for fethullah gulen who lives in the poconos and is like public enemy number one for turkey. mike flynn at one point in the wake of the turkish coup actually gave a public statement saying the turkish coup could be a good thing. and then he completely 180 changed when he began being paid on behalf we now know by the government of turkey. and he published that op-ed on election day, which basically had turkish government talking points. it wasn't even disguised. a lot of people look at that and said obviously mike flynn didn't think he us going to win the election. because why would he publish that on election day? that's one of the really important things about this story is we are now saying that mike flynn's conduct as national security adviser is under scrutiny by robert mueller in connection with this gulen
arrangement. >> be a little clear there and then we'll move on to the reporting about sufficient evidence. because to impact that the key there is this is an unregistered foreign agent that is established to represent turkish interests writes a op-ed. and there is some question about whether that overlapped while he was in the white house. we don't know. i'm not saying that's the case. but it seems to me that that's a road investigators are looking at. >> that is absolutely at issue according to our sources is what official acts mike flynn took that seemed to align with his financial interests in terms of orchestrating the extradition of gulen to turkey. >> which, i should noted a big deal. and as law professor steve vladeck pointed out, if the case were to be proven a felony. let's talk about the idea sufficient charges in the flynn investigation. explain that reporting a little bit for us. >> yeah, chris. and we're not trying to be cute here. obviously both of these men, mike flynn, the former national security investigators and his son appear to be in serious
criminal jeopardy. we just don't have the precision of sourcing. we're not saying charges are eminent against both men. what we're saying is mueller has the evidence sufficient to file charges. charges could come. charges may not come if they are negotiating a cooperation arrangement. >> right. >> if they reach a deal to cooperate, we may not see charges, chris. >> all right. ken dilanian, thanks for being with me. former federal prosecutor renato mariotti, a frequent guest on the show. let's talk about flynn jr. and the behavior of flynn and flynn jr. this is flynn jr. who was -- it's not just that he is his father's shoefnlt was a partner in their business enterprise. he was his adviser. he was originally going to be brought in to get security clearance as a staffer to his father, national security adviser. him this morning, flynn jr., the sjw route, the disappointment on your faces when i don't go to jail will be worth all your harassment. i believe that was yesterday.
he also retweeted something accusing robert mueller of having conspired with hamas. what do you make of this as behavior from someone currently under investigation with possible criminal exposure? >> it's unbelievable. it's something i have not seen before in my experience as federal prosecutor. not only in my cases, but observing other cases. typically when people are facing a federal indictment, they're crapping their pants so to speak. they're very concerned. it is a big deal. it's a scary thing. usually you are not trying to upset the prosecutor. you're usually trying to see if you can convince them not to indict. so this sort of thumbing your nose at the prosecution, it tells me that either these people are extremely foolish or they are angling for a pardon in some way. >> or maybe they think they're totally innocent, and the government has nothing on them. >> you know, that's really hard to believe. i'm sorry. i don't really believe that. i think that, you know, they've got smart lawyers. michael flynn seems like to me he's had a very intelligent
lawyer, i mean, the father does. i think that they're very soberly explaining this to their client. if not, they're not doing their jobs. mueller and his team have amassed significant evidence. if this reporting is accurate, which i presume it is with all the sourcing, they're telling people either flynn or these lobbyists that they're potentially trying to get to cooperate, that they essentially have the goods on flynn. they're going to be pursuing indictments. >> we should note, it jumped out to me that there are two things that reporting indicates flynn has done, which is lie to federal investigators when they asked him -- when the fick first questioned him about the conversations he had with kislyak about sanctions. and also didn't register as a foreign agent. >> right. >> both of which are, you know -- that's what george papadopoulos pleaded guilty to lying, and not registering as a foreign agent is one of the things that manafort is being indicted for. >> and the second one, not registering as a foreign agent is a very straight forward thing for a prosecutor to prove. that's the sort of charge
prosecutors love. because either you register order you didn't. it's the sort of thing, maybe there is some way in which flynn could say i wasn't really a foreign agent. but if that's something that mueller can prove. >> when you go and retroactively register, it hurts your case. >> either you did or you didn't. things that require intent or the intent to defraud, that can be complicated or corrupt intent we've talked about on the show before. something like this is a fairly straight forward thing. how does mike flynn intend to beat that charge? it's hard to see. >> one of the dynamics that is at issue here is the idea of pardons. because the person at the center of this is the president of the united states who has this incredible power under the article 2 of the constitution to pardon. federal crimes. and the signals being sent back and forth, i want you to listen to what he said about manafort and get your reaction to it in this most recent interview. take a listen. >> what was it that convinced you he had to be let go? >> well, i think we found out something about he may be
involved with certain nations. and i don't even know exactly what it was in particular. but there was a point at which we just felt paul would be better off. because we don't want to have any potential conflicts. and if there was a conflict, i don't want to be involved any conflicts, even though it was -- i could have kept him longer, i don't think anybody would have complained. but we don't want to have any potential conflicts of interest at all. >> no potential conflicts of interest. >> it's kind of weird, right? it's not at all what we've seen from this president so far. we had the head of the ethics walter shaub leave because he was so concerned about the conflicts in the administration there doesn't seem to be much interest in clearing that up. in fact i think his assets have not yet been moved to really a blind trust like they should be. so that's hard to believe. you know, i think a lot of the things we're hearing from the president right now are hard to believe. he has been going around saying he is not under investigation. which anybody with two eyes can see that he is. i mean, if his lawyers are telling him that he is not under investigation, they're
committing malpractice. >> one thing i would just remind people of, the original sin here that started all this was that phone call between flynn and the ambassador that they lied about. if they hadn't -- that got the ball rolling. so there is something at the beginning of this, it's useful to come back to remember where flynn was. renato mariotti, it's great to have you here in new york city tonight. >> thank you very much. >> joining me now conservative "washington post" columnist jennifer rubin and independent presidential candidate evan mcmullin. and jennifer, it's striking to me that the american first campaign appears to have had a number of high level officials who were essentially secret foreign agents. >> yeah. it's very peculiar. and most of them are connected to russia, which is even more peculiar. you know, if you talk to people who have been on presidential campaigns -- democrats, republicans, they have never seen anything like this. there weren't people communicating with the russian government during the bush campaigns or during any other campaign. and then you have on top of that
the financial web that entails jared kushner, entails trump's son, entails trump himself. now we learn that wilbur mills has a connection. so it's a lot of coincidences, if that's what it is. but we've never, i would suggest, had either a campaign or certainly an administration that was this intertwined with a hostile power after an election in which that hostile power intervened on their behalf. and that just stinks to high heaven. >> well, and that -- that pertains to russia, which is sort of true to the bulk. but evan, one of the things that is interesting to me here, because i think it sets a -- it gives you a sense of the general atmosphere around this campaign is the turkey part of it, right? there is no reason to believe that turkey did anything like russia did in the campaign and intervened. but here you've got a guy who is one of the senior advisers to the presidential candidate of one of the major parties. and on election day, he is using that opportunity to write an op-ed on behalf of essentially
his foreign client. it's hard to conceive of that in another presidential campaign setting, or am i wrong? >> no, you're absolutely right, chris. what you have here is an example of how much leadership really matters, both good and bad. and when you have a presidential candidate who sets the tone in the way president trump did, not releasing his tax returns, encouraging russia to interfere in our elections, then the signal is received by especially his team. and indeed it was. and not only, by the way, that signal received by his team, it's also received by interlocutors around the world, foreign governments, especially authoritarian or dictatorships that people are for sale in washington, at least in that campaign and potentially in the administration in the case that president trump won, which he of course did. so it's a signal that goes out far and wide. and it sells out country out, our integrity, our interests. most importantly, the
sovereignty of the american people to choose their own leaders and have them serve in their interests and their interests alone and have them be accountable to them, the people. that's what is for sale now under this administration. >> not only, that jennifer, i am reminded of the fact that a central campaign theme was that hillary clinton was essentially a foreign agent, that she essentially had outsourced american interests to whoever had given cash to the clinton foundation or something like that. and meanwhile we've got paul manafort. these are guys who are at the very, very top of this campaign, which was small campaign and not that many people. you've got two people at the very top who are functioning literally cashing checks on behalf of representing the interests of foreign governments. >> and that tells us a few things. first of all, it reminds us that they had no competent people on that campaign, and very few people in the administration. because he was toxic. most of the foreign policy professionals on the right or the center right really were writing letters, correctly as it turns out, saying he is unfit to
serve. so he didn't have quality people. second problem you had is apparently no one was vetd. it was well-known that paul manafort represented all kinds of horrible people, dictators, authoritarians, thugs. so did trump not know than? was there any vetting process? and third, there is a question as to how much they knew about flynn during the transition period. >> yep. >> were they told? did they know? did they not know? who exactly was told? and that also involves the vice president and governor christie. >> evan, there has been some interesting speculate of polling recently in the wake of the mueller indictment that reflects actually awareness of what happened with manafort's indictments relatively high. people who think the president committed a crime is quite high. it's interesting because people thought well, this is not really mine. polling has changed a bit. i wonder how central you think this is, at least for republicans or conservatives that you know, how central is
their understanding of this story to their evaluation of the president? >> well, i would say among republicans, it's still -- it's still the case that most republicans are supporting the president. i mean, you see that i think 64% of americans are now saying that they believe the russia investigation is important and that i think there may have been a serious wrongdoing there. but then there is 32% that are in the camp that say no, we don't think it's that important, and it shouldn't be investigated. my hunch is that that 32% is also 32% that supports president trump. these are probably people who are consuming conservative media that is not just conservative media, but conservative media that has really become trump media. it's less conservative. it's just trump media. and so they're receiving a steady diet of lies and misinformation about the importance of this and about the progress of the investigation
and they're receiving disinformation about the alleged wrongdoing of trump's political opponents. it's very hard. those people will still skeptical. i think what happens, though, in moderate districts that are held by republicans, it's a problem there. and it's a problem for republicans there. they're going have a hard time i think increasingly. >> yeah. >> holding on to those seats. and those seats are the majority makers. so at a certain point, first republican leadership will say hey, wait a second, we have a problem. i don't think they're going to be able to dig out of it for 2018. but you're still going to have members from deep red districts who have -- are supported by constituents who are unfortunately being misled by other outlets. and that's going to present an ongoing challenge, i think. >> all right, jennifer rubin and evan mcmullin, thanks to you both. >> thank you. next, the trump's latest surprise disclosure on russian ties. new revelations that a top member of the trump administration has shared business interests with the family of vladimir putin.
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if you're keeping track of trump associates who have got undisclosed connections to russia, you can add commerce secretary wilbur ross to the list tonight. thanks to the leak from the paradise papers which are making a splash around the world. we now ross retains to this day an interest in a shipping company that makes millions of dollars a year from a russian energy company whose owners include vladimir putin's son-in-law. and nbc news found that ross, quote, failed to clearly disclose those interests when he was being confirmed for his cabinet position. in a statement, the commerce department said that wilbur ross recuses himself as secretary from any matter regarding transoceanic shipping, which would seem like something maybe the commerce secretary should not be eare cuesed from. in an interview with cnbc today, ross denied there was anything
wrong. >> there is not anything wrong at all. it's just an example of the press trying to find anything they can however remote or silly to attack the president and somehow link him to russia. this is nonsense. >> however, the "new york times" pointed out, quote, while several trump campaign and business associates have come under scrutiny, until now no business connections have been reported between senior administration officials and members of mr. putin's family or inner circle. ross does share something in common with those previously discovered ties. we only seem to learn about these connections once the people in trump's orbit have already been found out. only then does the administration come clean. congressman eric swalwell of california on the house intelligence committee is conducting one of several vexes into russian election interference and potential trump campaign ties. congressman, secretary ross says it's nonsense, that this is essentially you're look -- the press is looking for these connections and manufacturing them no matter how tenuous. what do you say to that? >> good evening, chris.
what's nonsense is he was asked about his business connections to russia by the senate and did not disclose these business ties to putin's family. and, you know, just add him to the growing list of people on donald trump's team or in his family or from his businesses who had prior business or personal or political relationships with russia. and they all failed to disclose it. >> i should list those. "the washington post" did a really good job of sort of running those down. >> do you have an hour? >> well, i'll do a quick version. we have paul manafort. we have michael cohen. we have donald trump jr., carter page. we have jared kushner, michael flynn, george papadopoulos, jd gordon, who is in that infamous meeting we've all seen pictures of, and jeff sessions. that is the nine people who had some kind of connections that they did not disclose or they denied that later came to light. and now you have wilbur ross as well. senator richard blumenthal has
called for ross' resignation or an ig investigation. do you agree with either of those calls? >> yes. absolutely i do. i also think he should be a part of our investigation. as a side note, chris, this week incidentally, you can't make this up, we're debating tax legislation that would make it even easier for businesses as the tax policy center says to offshore their profits and use shell companies like this, making it harder for us to expose these types of relationships. >> there is also some -- we got -- some of the transcript back from carter page's marathon session with your investigators. i don't know if it was in front of actual members or committee staff. i want to read first what he said. i want to play what he said to me about denying any official meetings or meeting with any officials when he was in russia. take a listen. >> again, i had no meetings, no serious discussions with anyone high up or at any official
capacity. >> let me ask you this. >> it's just kind of man on the street, you know. circumstances that true? >> no, false. completely false. >> i can't believe he lied to me. >> i know. i know. chris, this was a member in an interview. and we were able to corroborate a number of allegations in the dossier. so he in july 2016 met with the deputy prime minister of russia. he met with officials from gas prom and rosneft, energy businesses in russia. sam clovis asked carter page to sign an nda. and a few months later he told sam clovis he was going to moscow. he did not tell him not to go. when he got back, he briefed sam clovis, as well as a number of other officials on the campaign about his trip to russia. >> what you make of carter page? >> you know, carter page is another team member who was eager to use his relationships
with the russians to help the trump team. and he even was asking the trump campaign what he should say when he was over there in russia. and just like george papadopoulos, he was trying to arrange a meeting between donald trump and vladimir putin. now this is a theme that we've seen throughout the campaign team. not just papadopoulos. remember, felix seder back in december 2016 is telling michael cohen if we can get donald trump and putin together, we can engineer this and make our boy president there is a theme of trying to get dirt on hillary clinton, trying to connect donald trump and putin. and of course failing to disclose it to anyone. >> there is a reporting today saying there is a bit of a split in the diplomatic corps about the president's upcoming meeting on the side lanes of a summit with vladimir putin. they're scheduled to meet face-to-face. obviously there are some who feel that obviously this is a nation that we have a lot of different issues with. we have to talk to them. there is others who feel that it will send the wrong signal. do you have a strong feeling on that? >> i have a very strong feeling
on this, chris. what have we gotten out of this relationship with russia? they have received all the benefits. until the president wants to speak straight with vladimir putin and tell him we know what you did, you're going to pay a price for it. and until you stop -- because i don't think they have stopped -- we're not going to welcome you at the stable of responsible nations. >> all right. congressman eric swalwell, thanks for your time. >> my pleasure. next, the horrifying attack on the texas church that killed 26 people. and the president's very telling reaction, after this quick break. parents aren't perfect, but then they make us kraft mac & cheese and everything's good again. more!
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77 years old. people that were worshipping on a sunday. the mass shooting comes just one month after what was the largest mass shooting in modern american history, and that was when a lone gunman used multiple firearms, apparently all legally acquired to shoot and kill 58 people and wound more than 500 people who were taking in a concert. and so horrifyingly, here we are again. president trump in japan today on the first leg of his five-nation tour of asia said that the massacre that occurred in texas is not a gun issue. >> i think that mental health is your problem here. this was a very -- based on preliminary reports, very deranged individual. a lot of problems over a long period of time. well have a lot of mental health problems in our country, as do other countries. but this isn't a guns situation. i mean, we could go into it. but it's a little bit soon to go
into it. this is a mental health problem at the highest level. it's a very, very sad event. these are great people, and a very, very sad event. but that's the way i view it. >> in the wake of mass atrocities, the president appears to have two modes. if the assailant is muslim, the president hardly waits until the bodies are counted to politicize and to criticize and to hector and to blame. and if the assailant is not, well, then, nothing, or something like that. compare his rhetoric this morning to his reaction to last week's violence in new york. >> we need quick justice and we need strong justice, much quicker and much stronger than we have right now. because what we have right now is a joke and it's a laughingstock. >> mr. president, do you want the assailant from new york sent to gitmo? mr. president? >> i would certainly consider that, yes.
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this week with a truck. evil is evil is evil, and will use the weaponry that is available. >> joining me now senator kirsten gillibrand of new york. senator, your colleague ted cruz was down in sutherland today. he was quite passionate that democrats and others shouldn't be politicizing this, angry that people would be invoking guns or talking about guns in the wake of this mass shooting. what's your response to that? >> well, i think he is wrong. our heartbreaks keep breaking over and over and over again. we cannot keep allowing this to be the new normal. and i think it is outrageous that congress has done nothing, has done nothing over the months and months that we've seen gun violence, you know, terrible, unbelievable, heinous crimes being committed, and literally done nothing. >> what do you say to people who are watching this who just feel defeated and despondent on this issue there is the ritualization of it, the ritualization of the reaction to it, the
ritualization to the backlash to the reaction. people feel like politics are just not functional, right? there is nothing that can be done. what do you say to someone who is feeling that way right now? >> well, i hope they speak out. because nothing ever changes in washington unless regular people speak out and demand action. i think this whole country should be crying out for common sense gun reform. the reality is that you don't need another disaster like this to happen to know what has to be done. we should be banning assault weapons. and these military-style magazine clips. we should be banning the kinds of guns that are being used in these crimes. we have to snake sure we have universal background checks. we have to make sure we have an anti-trafficking statute. these are the kinds of things we should be doing regardless of today's news. it's something that i cannot believe the congress has failed to do anything. in the five largest mass shootings in our nation's history, three have happened in the last 17 months. >> why could you think that is? what is your understanding as a
legislator, as someone who has to think about solving policy problems? what is your understanding of that? >> i can't tell you, chris. i don't know. i just know that congress is doing nothing. because they lack the courage to take on the nra. they simply lack the courage to stand up and say this is about our communities. this is about safety. this is about what's important to us as a nation, and that we are not going to be beholden to an industry that puts profits first. and that's what we are up against. too many members of congress do not have the courage to stand up and say no. >> you represent -- you came up in politics in an area of the state of new york, the state you now represent where there are a lot of gun owners and where the nra is quite powerful. i wonder what your relationship is to them as an organization and to gun owners as a constituency? >> well, you can have the second amendment and you can protect hunters' rights. but what i would urge all americans to understand is that is not where the american people are today. they want to make sure we end this kind of gun violence. and you ask nra members, you ask
citizens across this country, overwhelmingly they support this kind of common sense gun reform. and just as advice to someone who doesn't necessarily see the issue this way you just need to talk to someone who lost a family member to gun violence. you just have to open your heart for a minute and feel for a second what it is like when someone is taken away from you because of gun violence. when you meet a mom whose child was killed in a park in brooklyn who is 4 years old you, have you to do something. it is time past. it is not about hunting rights. this is not about the second amendment. this is how do we keep our communities safe? and all of us should be fighting for it together and demanding these members of congress to do something. >> while i have you here, i want to ask you about a distinct but in some ways related issue as we learn about the shooter's relationship to domestic violence, violence against women, a common thread we have to say in many of these mass shootings, committed almost without exception by men. the sort of daunting awareness about sexual harassment and sexual predation that we've seen sweeping across a variety of
places. the ap reporting capitol hill in particular. and something that you've talked about i think quite honestly and talked about sort of trying to approach legislatively the environment that you yourself work in congress. >> well, right now congress doesn't have a good set of policies either. and what we've seen, chris, over the last several months, whether it's hollywood, whether it's news media, whether it's the nfl, whether it's college campuses, whether it's the u.s. military, we do not have transparency and accountability for sexual harassment or sexual violence. and we need to speak out and do better. i think the me too campaign is one of the most powerful campaigns we've had because it's giving men and women the courage to tell their stories so people can understand this is pervasive. and it is prevalent. we have to do something about sexual assault, sexual violence and sexual harassment in society in all places. i'm working to make a bill that congress does a lot better than it does today.
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senator rand paul is recuperating at his home in bowling green, kentucky tonight after sustaining serious injuries on friday. it looks like he will not be in the senate for an extended period of time. on his facebook page, he gave a somewhat vague explanation of what happened. kelly and i appreciate the overwhelming support after friday's unfortunate event. thank you for your thoughts and prayers. the unfortunate event in question is that while paul was riding his mower at his home wearing sound-muting earmuffs, mr. paul's next-door neighbor, mr. boucher, came on to mr. paul's property and tackled him from behind, knocking him to the ground, which according to the senator's chief of staff resulted in five broken ribs and bruises to his lungs. boucher was initially charged with fourth degree assault, released saturday on a $7500
bond. but given the extent of paul's injury, prosecutors are reportedly considering upgrading the charges. meanwhile, the fbi is now involved as an assault on a member of congress is a federal crime. what possibly could cause boucher to attack rand paul, sitting u.s. senator, a man he has lived next door to for 17 years? a statement, boucher's attorney said, quote, it has absolutely nothing to do with either his politics or political agendas. it was a very regrettable dispute between two neighbors over a matter that most people would regard as trivial. "the new york times" jonathan martin reports that two kentuckians tell me rand's neighborhood fracas stemmed from a dispute over some sort of planting or flora issues around the properties. one big question now is how long paul's recovery might take, and whether five cracked rib others a flora issue might affect the outcome of, say, a tax reform. meanwhile, in virginia, there is is a vote tomorrow. the big question there can the trump playbook work on a
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democrats. the president has a 35% approval rating there and gillespie previously ran for u.s. senate in virginia in 2014, losing to incumbent senator mark warner. by running a campaign in which he's managed to weaponize immigration and challenging his democratic opponents on things like confederate monuments, gillespie has, according to steve bannon, closed an enthusiasm gap by rallying around the trump agenda. if that's the case, democrats better be very, very worried. tom perez is the chair of the democratic national committee. i guess, tom, a lot of people watched gillespie run this race and white identity politics and the monuments and the question
is, what has the democratic party figured out in the year since donald trump was elected about how to successfully counter that message? >> it's all about getting out there and talking to people, chris. we made a massive investment in organizing. we've got to be talking to people in every zip code and that's exactly what we're doing and what we're hearing is very simple. i want to keep my health care because i have a relative who's opioid addicted. i want to make sure public education works for everyone. i want to continue the progress that tear rry mcauliffe has brot to this state and i want a america that we can be proud of. that's what i'm hearing day in and day out. i put 700 miles on the car just this weekend. that's what i'm hearing and why i feel very, very good because the energy is everywhere. >> you know, you talk about competing in every zip code and there's been a big investment in democratic challengers.
a lot more than in years past. but in everything you're ticking off there sounds a lot like what the clinton campaign ran on and i wonder if you feel there's an enthusiasm issue that the democratic party facing in getting its voters out in an off-year election like this. >> well, we always have to make sure that we're turning people out in these off-year cycles. and you mentioned something a couple of minutes ago, a couple of seconds ago, chris, that i think is so important. i think it's not a secret weapon but i think it's an enormous weapon in this race and that is the number 88. there are 88 democrats running for the house of delegates. now, in an ordinary cycle, if you go back the last four or five cycles here in virginia, there's been 40 or 45 democrats that have won. to put it differently, we have seeded half or more of the house of delegates. no opposition. and not only do we have 88
democrats running and i have spoken to almost all of them, all of the challengers, they're spectacular and they are out there. there's a candidate down in roanoke whose fiance was tragically murdered in an incident she was a local broadcast journalist and a disgruntled employee came in and shot her on the air. it was just a horrific incident. >> remember it. >> her fiance is running and he's running a spirited race. we're poised to elect the first two latinos in the state of commonwealth of virginia to the house of delegates. and i'll tell you, the energy that is generated and i was out with elizabeth guzman who is running here in northern virginia and you have the dnc and we're all in. with that sort of energy, it's a secret weapon. >> i want to ask you about
something you just said, when you talk about seeding or not running anyone in half the house delegate races. this year there was this real effort to be competitive everywhere and it dovetails with the critique of the party that is in it donna brazile's book and which is essentially that the party institution was bankrupt financially, that it was not doing the things it should, it wasn't doing the things like helping to field candidates in every race and it was essentially busted out. is that an accurate characterization of the dnc that you inherited basically less than a year ago? >> well, the old dnc was about electing a president every four years. the new dnc is about electing democrats up and down the ticket from the school board to the oval office. we're all about making sure we take off year out of the elects lexicon of the democratic party.
we made voter contact via phones, texts and other social media with another 500,000 people. we have to do that because today's school board member is tomorrow's mayor, is a decade from nows president. we're doing it now. >> i want to talk about the messaging stakes for tomorrow. gillespie barely dealt a primary against corey stewart. corey stewart ran hard on preserving monuments to the confederacy. gillespie has adopted that. kneeling during the national anthem, sent out mailers about that. what message has said that if that message works in defeating democrats tomorrow? >>. >> well, that message isn't going to work. phil murphy is going to win going away and we'll make history with the first
certainty and predictability. that's the best way to make business decisions. having the president make this controversial announcement, then indicate right away they may or may not be committed to it is not the kind of certainty corporate america is looking for. >> those are some of the broader impacts. what's the potential impact inside his own administration, and for his own press secretary who has to go out and defend a policy she's not sure is etched in stone? >> obviously she's in an impossible situation. i think what it does inside the white house, it's corrosive to any effort to put in place a process to make decisions. because people know that the decision making process is precarious at best, that there's never a final decision that's made and there's an opportunity to influence it at a variety of junctures or to go in and intervene with the president at the last minute. it means there's no coherent process in place and the result is you have decisions that are half-baked at best. this has a negative impact on the markets and negative impact on the broader economy and it also encourages people who would otherwise be supportive of the
president, people who a month or two ago were praising the republicans and the president for signing this tax reform bill into law, are now trashing the president because of this ill-advised trade policy. >> one of the people who is infuriated by this, as you and i have been talking to our sources about, gary cohn. jim cramer said earlier today if gary cohn walked away, that would have an even larger impact on the markets than the president's sort of announcement we saw yesterday. >> there are reports that he is thinking about it, he threatened to resign if the president went through with this. >> he's done this in the past. >> listen, that is also true. that is certainly fair. i hope he doesn't do it when the markets are open. wall street does watch what gary cohn does, whether or not you like it. i think back to moments, for example, in the fall before tax reform was done or right after tax reform was done and i saw cohn, is he leaving yet, what's going on, what's happening. all the reporting was he was
supposed to be gone well before this time. he's stuck around. the tax cut plan was a big boost for him in the internal political world but he and steve mnuchin can't be happy about this. they are getting a lot of heat from business buddies that they left behind in new york and i think that you will see this play out. i'm curious when the president's at mar-a-lago he will be talking to those friends of his down there. >> lot of feedback, no doubt. >> they have a lot of money in the stock market. what will that influence be. >> again, we started off talking about the chaos inside the white house, the fact that hope hicks, who is considered his gatekeeper, really, is leaving. we woke up this morning to these tweets, made a number of people giggle but there's a serious side to this. let me remind everyone, 5:30 a.m. the president tweeted this. alex baldwin, who is dieing, mediocre career was saved by his impersonation of me on snl. now saying playing djt was agony for him. alex, it was also agony for
there are plenty of people under fire in his administration, they would love a supportive tweet from him. there are plenty of policies he's issued in the last couple days in need of public defense. that's not what he's focused on. >> final point -- >> not exactly in a way particularly substantive. not in a way i think many people will find all that persuasive. >> final point before i let you guys go. josh, you have pointed to the fact that in addition to all of this, it's not just the staff inside the west wing. it's also his cabinet secretaries who have come under scrutiny for questions about ethics, whether it be pruitt or ben carson, who just announced he's returning a new furniture -- >> hopefully they kept the receipt. >> hopefully they did. what do you make of that? how does this fit into the broader discussion? >> one of the things that's so interesting about this, i think there's a lack of appreciation for how -- this kind of culture really does start at the top. in some ways, people who have been looking at this situation with regard to the cabinet
secretaries have indicated that maybe david shulkin is not a particularly good example for democrats to cite because mr. shulkin had obviously served at the va under president obama. he's an obama holdover. the fact of the matter is, actually david shulkin is the perfect example, because there is no way that david shulkin would have tried to take his wife on a ten-day european vacation on the taxpayer dime if president obama were sitting in the oval office. he never would have sought permission to do that and if he had he would have been turned down. if he tried to do it without permission he would have been gone by the end of the day. >> it sets the stage for another very busy friday. hallie jackson, josh earnest, thank you. great to have you here. great conversation. new york republican congressman peter king serves on the financial services and intelligence committee, and he joins me now. congressman, thanks so much for being here. really appreciate it. >> thank you, kristen. my pleasure. >> i have to start with this news that we have been talking about, the president's announcement yesterday on tariffs. house speaker paul ryan warned through his spokesman yesterday about the quote unquote, unintended consequences.
are you concerned about unintended consequences, that it could ultimately hurt industries in this country? >> yeah, basically i am not a protectionist and i believe that the small amount of steel workers and aluminum workers it's going to help, is going to be more than offset by damage done to the other industries that rely on steel. no, i think it will increase prices, hurt jobs but again, this is what the president has been saying for 30 years. that's one area where i have not agreed with president trump on. that's on the issue of tariffs. >> you think it could potentially spark a trade war, congressman? would you go that far? >> well, it can, but again, somehow these things do manage to resolve themselves. other presidents have raised tariffs and it sort of dies down after awhile. i think this -- don't ask me exactly how, but i'm sure there will be some ways made to cushion this and again, there's still time and also, congress may take some action. again, i don't support it. i never have. i think that this is -- the economy was going along well.
i voted against the tax cut because of an impact, it was definitely helping the country overall. i thought it was a plus for the economy. this could unfortunately take us in the opposite direction. >> congressman, very quickly before we move to other topics, you say there's still time. have you reached out to the president, lobbied him to change his mind before next week, when he says this is ultimately coming out? >> no. this came last night but i do intend to reach out to other members of congress today. >> okay. i want to turn now to what has been described as the chaos inside the white house this week. we know that the president is losing the person who's been described as his gate keeper, hope hicks. you were in a committee meeting with her the day before she announced her resignation, that day she acknowledged she did tell some white lies for president trump. you have downplayed that. you said hey, she was talking about business meetings, it wasn't a big deal. but how did she seem to you that day? did you have any indication that announcement was coming? >> no. i think she did an excellent job of testifying.
she was being vilified, she was being attacked. she never lost her composure. she was articulate. she answered every question about the campaign. the fact that at the end of the day, to me it shows how weak the democratic case was, after nine hours of testimony, attempting to find russian collusion, all they could get was hope hicks being as honest as anyone could be, as anyone should be, when they asked her have you ever told a lie, she said only a white lie, for instance, saying donald trump was not in when people maybe wanted to meet with him but she made a point of saying that her testimony was entirely truthful. >> congressman, let me press you on that point. let me press you on that point, though, because critics have said yes, she did use the term white lie. she couched it. but she really becomes the first trump official to acknowledge saying something that's not the truth. that's significant politically potentially for the president, is it not? >> politically, maybe politically but it was a stupid question. if i asked you, if you asked me,
if you asked anybody in the world have you ever told a white lie, of course you have. it's a matter of courtesy. you are going to tell someone he doesn't want to meet with you because you're a jerk, you say no, he's busy right now. that's what she was talking about. the fact swalwell and schiff had to rely on that shows how -- >> does it take on new meaning, though, when you serve the president of the united states? >> first, her testimony did not involve, that part of the testimony did not involve when he was president. to be honest with you, if somebody calls the white house, i have called the white house a number of times. not president trump, by the way. certainly other presidents. they say no, he's busy right now. for all i know, he's not. he doesn't want to talk to me. i don't take that as a personal offense. when she says she never told untruth in anything involving policy, involving the investigation, involving russia, to me there's nobody in the world, anyone who doesn't tell a white lie at some time, who denies that is not being truthful. that shows how honest she was
being. >> couple more topics. jared kushner's security clearance was downgraded this week. there have been mounting questions about some of his business dealings while he was in the white house. are you concerned that he's becoming a liability not only to this president but potentially to national security, congressman? >> not to national security but again, we have to see what comes out. my dealings with jared kushner, he's been totally honest, totally above board and anyone in today's world, when you have complicated international dealings, it's going to take awhile to get a security check because there's so many different involvements you could have, all of which probably are entirely legal. but again, when you have international financial commitments and are dealing with foreign countries, that's going to be an issue i think more and more as we have a worldwide economy. >> and just finally, i want to ask you about the other big issue that we have been talking about for the past several weeks, and this week again, the issue of gun reform. the president had that
remarkable hour-long open session televised live, bargaining meeting with a bipartisan group of law makers. a lot of people thought he was actually getting on board with a number of the policies that democrats embrace like universal background checks, like increasing the age to purchase some weapons, and then last night, in a closed door meeting, he met with the nra and the two seem to be on the same page. so what do you make of that, where do you think the president stands now? >> well, i give the president credit for having these open discussions. i actually am one of those who does support universal background checks. i do support a ban on assault weapons. and i think the fact the president opened these issues up, raising the age to 21 and also the fact he did put the nra on the defensive a bit, this is more than president obama did. hopefully it will amount to something. >> do you think president trump is really prepared to take on the nra, congressman? >> you have to see. he certainly did the other day at the open meeting he had.
he met with the nra last night. the nra, like it or not, is a player in all this, and having said that, i think he's gone further than anyone expected him to go and certainly further than most republicans are willing to go right now. >> congressman peter king, always enjoy our conversations and appreciate your joining us. thank you so much. coming up, job insecurity. where national security adviser h.r. mcmaster may be the next top white house staffer pushed out the door. we'll take a look at that. ♪ hey, sir lose-a-lot! thou hast the patchy beard of a pre-pubescent squire! thy armor was forged by a feeble-fingered peasant woman... your mom! as long as hecklers love to heckle, you can count on geico saving folks money. boring! fifteen minutes could save you
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another possible staff shakeup at the white house. nbc news has learned that national security adviser h.r. mcmaster could be replaced as early as the end of this month, but this morning, white house press secretary sarah sanders disputed there was any plan for mcmaster's departure. joining me now, nbc news senior national security analyst, michael lighter, former director of the national counterterrorism center. thank you so much. great to see you. >> great to be here. >> let's just talk about this and the implications of it. we know that there have been some tensions simmering between mcmaster and the president, some of them have spilled out into the public. what is the significance of a potential departure and why now, do you think? >> it's really huge. the only position that this is sort of subservient to is the chief of staff.
the national security adviser in my experience, that's one of the people who really can and has to walk into the oval office at any time and say mr. president, we have an issue, whether it's north korea, iran. you have to have a degree of trust between that national security adviser and the president. you also need to have that trust between the national security adviser and the key members of the national security council, and that's jim mattis of defense, rex tillerson at state. that's where that trust has to be. breaking that up can be very hard. >> it's our understanding this move is actually being orchestrated by the chief of staff and defense secretary james mattis. significant, or is that what you would expect in this type of departure? >> it varies. sometimes it's just the relationship with the president that's broken. in this case, there has always been a bit of tension between defense department, state department and h.r. mcmaster. h.r. has a very different style than jim mattis and rex tillerson. as key members of that national security cabinet, they have to trust that the national security adviser is being an honest
broker with whom they can work. i'm not sure that that degree of trust has always existed. >> let me remind our viewers of some of the tensions that really spilled out into the public. this was at the munich security conference when h.r. mcmaster called the russian cybermeddling, quote unquote, incontrovertible. the president fired back with this tweet. general mcmaster forgot to say that the results of the 2016 election were not impacted or changed by the russians and that the only collusion was between russia and crooked h. the dnc and the dems, remember the dirty dossier, uranium speeches, e-mails and the podesta company. how tough is it when you say something publicly and the president calls you out like that? >> this piece on russia makes it frankly almost impossible to be an honest broker as national security adviser. the fact is the entire national security apparatus inside the government, we saw it when you had the director of the cia and
director of national intelligence saying russia is doing this. when you have an occupant in the oval office that refuses to admit that and see it, it's really hard to be his adviser. >> i have had so many conversations about the fact the messages on russia coming out of the white house and other branches of government are so different. that undercuts their efforts. let me ask about the other big piece of news. jared kushner has come under a microscope this week. his security clearance has been significantly downgraded. we learned there's a lot of scrutiny over some companies profiting after they actually had meetings at the white house with jared kushner. has he became a liability and could that actually threaten national security? >> whether he's a political liability, i won't touch that one, but i think the two pieces that he's really started to run afoul of, security and standard ethics. on the ethics piece, it's exactly why we ask people to separate themselves from business interests coming in. on the security piece, in my view, once you don't have a top
secret security clearance there's no way for him to be effective in the tasks he's been given, middle east peace, engagement with mexico. if you can't see the intelligence about what the u.s. government sees and knows about these parties, you can't lead those efforts. >> we also know that according to "the washington post" at least, some countries, there is concern, were looking at ways to try to manipulate him. how could this happen? how could one of the president's senior advisers be in that role when that's happening at the same time? >> this is how all the ethics issues, business interests and security interests are intertwined. they are not independent of one another. when you have these potential business ties, foreign governments or adversaries or prospective friends see that and say this is how we can pressure that individual. that's why someone may or may not get that security clearance. that's why this process of disentanglement and coming into government and making sure that everyone knows who you are meeting with, where your business interests are, are so
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less than 24 hours after publicly embracing new gun restrictions which stunned nra allies and law makers on both sides of the aisle, president trump has reportedly changed his tune after what he called a great late night meeting in the oval office with nra officials. one of the top lobbyists who was in the room tweeted in part quote, potus and v-poet us support the second aemendment, strong due process and don't want gun control. the president's reported about-face seemingly undercuts that wheeling and dealing negotiating session he had with law makers wednesday afternoon. joining me is former democratic congresswoman donna edwards and michael steel, republican adviser and former spokesman for house speaker john boehner. thanks for being here to both of you. i want to start with you, congresswoman. what do you make of this negotiating style that we have seen from the president and the fact that he told everyone one thing in that open session and
behind closed doors, seemed to have a very different message. which donald trump do you believe? >> i'm not really sure. in fact, it reminds me of his negotiating style around daca and immigration. so i think that a lot of democrats are hopeful, but very skeptical, precisely because the president has been all over the map. >> let me read you what chris murphy tweeted. he tweeted fascinating, since i assume the president told them, meaning the nra, about the support for universal background checks, raising age for rifle purchases and protective orders he announced on tv yesterday. do you think the president's prepared to take on the nra? >> no. this is one of the really large conservative organizations that stuck with him throughout the worst times in the general election campaign. these are guys he will not walk away from. remember the president doesn't come to this debate with fixed principles. he's not had a long, consistent record on this issue. it's sort of like trailing to nail jello to the wall.
he has this position today for this audience, this position tomorrow for that audience. we have seen it on a number of issues. other than trade and a few other things, he really only has a few strongly held personally held views and so when we get to these issues that he doesn't have one, you get this sort of weathe weathervane effect and he's all over the place. >> what specifically do you think a piece of legislation might look like that passes through both chambers? >> well, i think we have seen some things that have really universal support across the country. universal background checks, fixing the information system, the data base, and this issue of bump stocks. those things at least seem to have some more broad support even among republicans, even among nra members, and so that may be a place that democrats and republicans getting 60 votes in the senate can go. >> the nra has said we don't want to legislate on bump stocks. we do support banning them
through restrictions. would they support a piece of legislation that included a ban on bump stocks? >> i think they would at least remain silent on it. you don't necessarily need a bill that has the blessing of the nra but you need a bill that the nra is not going to go after members for supporting. i think the package that the congresswoman outlined gets very much in that direction. it's something that can get done and i hope that gun control advocates don't make the perfect the enemy of the good. this is a package that can improve gun safety without alienating the nra. >> all right. i want to talk about the other big headline, yesterday the president surprised a lot of people again when he said he was planning to announce new tariffs on steel. this is what john mccain had to say. as we know, a lot of republicans were upset by this announcement. he says the president's sweeping tariffs will only serve to hurt american workers and consumers, and alienate us from our most important allies and trading partners. it's not a surprise the president wanted these tariffs. he talked about it on the campaign trail. at the same time, he sort of had
unified republicans. now this big divide again. >> right. he had a huge win with tax reform, with a unified republican party. this is an issue that splits him from the republican party, because of its pure economic illiteracy. you are already seeing trading partners including our allies threatening retaliation. i thought it was very interesting, the first thing the european union started talking about, going after kentucky bourbon and cheese from wisconsin. i don't think those states were chosen entirely at random. >> i don't think they were. pointed attacks. what do you make of the announcement and the ways in which democrats will try to capitalize on it? >> i think there are a lot of democrats including myself who actually embrace the idea of restructuring our trade agreements so they are fair to workers and fair to american consumers. here's the thing. the president may have just thrown up another trial balloon. he made an announcement to make an announcement. he didn't announce a plan and implementati implementation. >> you don't think he will
follow through with it? >> i don't know. what i do know is this shouldn't be taken as something that is in the absence of doing something real on trade to make sure that we have trade agreements that work. using it as a tool for leverage and really not punishing our allies, but going after the worst offenders like china. >> we all wait with baited breath to see what he actually announces next week. thanks so much. appreciate it. great to see you. funeral services are now under way for the reverend billy graham in his hometown of charlotte, north carolina. the president and first lady are among the 2,000 mourners in attendance for the private ceremony honoring graham's life and legacy as america's pastor. billy graham passed away last wednesday at his home in north carolina. he was 99 years old. that's my girl!
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international relations. we study international trade, international business, international finance. virtually any economist will tell you that there are no winners in trade wars. it is the ultimate non-zero sum game and the worst part is the way it bleeds over to your allies, partners and friends and shatters relationships. what else could we possibly do to get ourselves in a war with canada besides a move like this? >> okay. let me follow up with you on that point. what about china? obviously we have a very different relationship with china but the president needs china to deal with north korea, which is arguably the united states' largest foreign policy crisis right now. >> it absolutely is. and let's go back to the campaign for a moment where candidate trump was talking about 40% tariffs on china. there's an emotional kind of oh, i want to blame somebody for
problems, but that is just not good economics, and it's even worse geopolitics as you point out. look, we tried tariffs a hundred years ago after world war i. we imposed the hawley-smoot tariffs. that's what essentially cracked the global economy and created the great depression, blew apart our alliance system in the world. we need to have a measured approach using the world trade organization, there are mechanisms to address these imbalances. simply shooting from the hip with an out of the blue set of tariffs that would apply to allies, partners and friends, is bad economics and bad geopolitics. >> i want to get your take on some news we are just learning about. nbc and cnbc's investigative units are looking into a nearly one million share sale of a company that sells steel. it's the largest input cost of steel, i should say, and the sale was by a trump confidant,
carl icahn last week. it's been raising questions about potential insider trading. we want to stress icahn's filing seems to be standard operating procedure, follows s.e.c. rules. what should we make of that? >> we should be concerned any time there's even an appearance of a government official receiving some kind of benefit for himself or herself or their friends. i certainly hope that mr. icahn, who is a well-known global businessman and knows how to do his business, has dotted the is and crossed all the ts, but the appearance of this and the timing of it i would say is unfortunate. >> we want to stress there's no known connection to any type of ethical issues, but your point is it raises questions. >> it does indeed. it's all part of the fabric of our relationships both inside the country where we have less and less trust with each other, and really to this tariff point,
our relationships globally. as people see this kind of activity, it's very concerning and it's part of that concern we ought to have about how we appear overseas. >> i want to also get your reaction to what we heard from russia's president vladimir putin yesterday in his state of the nation address. he touted his nuclear weapons arsenal. he said that they have nuclear weapons that are difficult to detect. he boasted that he had a cruise missile that could essentially reach anywhere in the world. megyn kelly pressed him on that, whether or not this was bluster effectively. he stood by his claims. how concerned should the u.s. be? has the response been strong enough? >> the initial reaction, particularly when you see those hyped-up videos that look like something coming of an arcade is like this is q in the james bond movies showing you his arsenal.
but that would be a mistake. we ought to take it very seriously, because vladimir putin is a serious operator. he's smart about how he deploys information. we have known about this system coming along down the pike for five years, but this is the first time they are revealing them publicly. part of that is him throwing red meat to his base. march election coming up. but part of it is a very direct signal to us. we need to create counters and develop a strategy to deal with russia. >> admiral stavridis, thank you for your insights. have a wonderful weekend. president trump is usually quick to tweet about everything and anything. he hasn't said anything about vladimir putin flexing his military muscle yesterday. nbc's chief foreign correspondent richard engel is digging into the president's relationship with russia and also north korea. richard? >> reporter: it seems once again
we are all talking about nuclear weapons. we are talking in a cold war kind of language. not just with north korea, but now with russia, with that speech from vladimir putin. by the way, it's not just vladimir putin. we have heard from president trump talking about how he wants to revitalize and modernize the american nuclear program, and i think that is a lot of why we are seeing russia respond this way. so tonight, we have a one-hour special and it focuses on russia and north korea. it focuses a little bit about this blind spot that a lot of people have pointed out, why it is that the united states can't find itself, why it is that president trump and his administration can't come out, particularly president trump, and criticize russia. there were a series of sanctions that were just passed on north korea. they didn't mention russia. we went to russia to find out what we could about links, particularly smuggling links
between russia and north korea. we had been tracking a russian ship. in mid-october, according to logs we obtained, it started heading out to sea, then disappeared, probably by turning off its transponder. >> it is very likely this was a ship-to-ship transfer. similar ships, similar size, approximately same time, going to a very unusual area. >> reporter: a few days after it disappeared, the ship reappeared, in russia. we wanted to see if it was still here. we are looking for a ship. >> she will check. >> reporter: wonderful. the guard remembered seeing the ship coming into port. but when she checked the records, the ship's name wasn't on them. is there someone we can reach out to talk to who owns the ship? can we go in and see it? so we couldn't get in but at least we did confirm the ship
is, in fact, here. now we have to find a way to get to it. we did eventually find a way to get to the ship. and we captured these images. >> fascinating report. do not miss the return of the special series "on assignment with richard engel" tonight at 9:00 p.m. eastern right here on msnbc. coming up, more charges coming. who special counsel robert mueller is building a case against now. this is "andrea mitchell reports." with expedia one click gives you access to
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political analyst. pete, i have to start with you and this new information about paul manafort. what's the very latest? >> as you know, 45 minutes from now, he was to walk into the courthouse in alexandria, virginia, just across the river here to be arraigned on the new indictment that was filed there. this is the one that takes out richard gates who has pleaded guilty but it adds some new charges involving bank fraud. but because of all the high wind in washington and the fact that it's hard to get around because of all the trees blown down on the roads, that courthouse is closed today. so we don't know when that hearing will be. it will be rescheduled probably next week. in a filing precedesing the hearing, the government said if paul manafort is convicted on all the charges he'd face a guideline sentencing range, a likely sentence of 15 1/2 to 20 1/2 years. that's assuming the judge follows the sentencing guidelines and if convicted on all the charges in alexand riahe
could face 8 to 10 years. now the trial date we know has been set for the case in washington, d.c. september 17th. so what we're going to watch when the judge has the arraignment for the alexandria case is whether the judge sets a trial date and whether it's before the one in washington. the fact is the alexandria court prides itself on something they call the rocket docket. meaning they like to move cases through very quickly and the government already says, look, in terms of discovery which happens in these cases where you share evidence with the defense, they say we've already done that in the case in washington. >> and potentially facing significant jailtime there. we'll watch that closely, obviously. julia, what are we learning about the special counsel's potential, and we want to stress that word, potential case against russian hackers. >> that's right. it's potential because we know robert mueller has been collecting information from the intelligence community about
exactly how russians were able to hack into the democratic national committee and john podesta's e-mails and disseminate that damaging information about hillary clinton during the 2016 campaign. he's been gathering that. when and if he decides to issue criminal charges is really up to him. a lot of people haved so this could be like an ace in robert mueller's hands. he'll want to issue these criminal charges when he wants to pressure people, specifically any american co-conspirators to cooperate. this would be a way to be able to gain that cooperation. but we do know he's been able to gain things like the methods, the malware they used to hack into these accounts. and the special kind of tell-tail signatures they leave behind. he's got a lot of information, and he's been poking around. certainly asking about it. asking witnesses about donald trump's potential involvement in the hacking. and it seems like this could be a big feather in his cap when he gets it.
>> and we know that the special counsel likely paying very close attention to this remarkable public feud that we've seen between the president and his attorney general. how will that factor into, in the news that julia is talking about, into this broader investigation. jonathan -- >> it is a remarkable thing that the president time and time again has unleashed these broad sides against his attorney general who we all know is one of his earliest supporters in the campaign. jeff sessions committed the original sin, disloyalty when he recused himself from the russia probe last year. the president has quite honestly never gotten over it and periodically, the frustration that he feels with jeff sessions bubbles to the surface, and he takes it out on twitter or he uses the people around him about firing sessions. but, of course, that's not happened. it seems jeff sessions every so
often gets placed in the torture chamber where there's some belief hopefully the president's estimation, maybe jeff sessions would quit instead of being fired. sessions tells everyone around him that he has no desire to go anywhere. this is sort of the many ways his dream job, he really believes in the conservative principles he's put forth there at the department of justice. he has a lot of allies on the hill. a lot of allies in the right -- in the conservative media. he seems not inclined to go, and we saw this week, he had a very sort of public dinner with rod rosenstein and other justice officials just hours after the president's latest attack on him and the doj which can only be interpreted as a sign of confidence and suggesting the president like, hey, i'm not going anywhere. >> pete, final word to you. we did see a very confident, almost defined attorney general this week. why this week? why did he decide to dig his heels in, do you think, publicly at least? >> i think it was a combination of things. he finally decided to push back in the torture chamber a little
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minutes because that's they'll be focusing not only 17 victims in parkland, but the 13 victims in columbine that were killed in that 1999 shooting that really sparked this sort of awareness across the country. andrea. >> thank you, steve paterson. and the students at north high school in denver. we go to chicago, which is an hour earlier, rather an hour later, so they have already been out for an hour. ron mott, a city rocked almost every day by violence in various neighborhoods but all reacting to what happened in florida. ron? >> reporter: yeah, absolutely, andrea, good day to you. i'm with young man from leo high school here on the south side. you mention this is a daily problem here in chicago, gun violence. so these students who came out today, this rally wrapped up 10 minutes ago, those rally not just for those folks lost at parkland but all the people lost
daily basis in chicago to gun violence. cash a, senior, what brought you out today and what's your message? >> i wanted to promote peace within the african-american community. >> reporter: dealing with ram i had gun violence. fortunately we got new numbers as of tuesday down so far with number of homicides and shooting incidents in the city of chicago. so that's a step in the right direction. kevin. you a junior. what's your message today? you met with other schools? >> pretty much to promote peace and show all kids in chicago aren't bad and we don't go for violence. we just show them that peace can be in all our communities hand just up to us to keep it. >> reporter: and you can see here, show off the shirt here. this is a walkout for peace from
>> reporter: that's a great question. i'll pose to cash here. andrea mitchell is asking the fact that klum brian williams th -- columbine happened 20 years ago before you were born, did not seem to awaken people as parkland did. are you dispointsed it took all of those years and all those school shootings for this to reach this point where young people are walking out of schools asking for ta change? >> absolutely. it's a shame it had to get this far when it happened. but as you said before, the numbers are down, but still not enough. we have to continue with those numbers. >> reporter: what is it like going to school every day on south side of chicago where there is a lot of violence? >> leo provided us with a safe place every day. we don't have problems of violence. when we do, we come together as brothers, and pretty much it's like neighborhood keeps us safe. leo, everyone knows leo is
school for brotherhood, peace and pride. so as kids we don't suffer from problems of violence. >> reporter: so unique perspective, this is generation grown up with school shootings that have become, sadly, regular and normal in this country. but with this parkland shooting something seems to be different. andrea. >> thank you so much. thank to cash and the other student there with you in the south side of chicago. and as we also keep looking at columbine and the memorial there of the students walking, i'm joined by shawn henry former assistants phish and nbc national security analyst. shawn, this is a moment, we don't know if it's going to lead to action. we still see resistance in the white house and on chiapitol hi. but the kids are creating new generation debate. >> they certainly are, andrea. i'm inspired by a lot of what i see. i just came down fifth avenue
just about 30 minutes ago and i saw hundreds of students outside protesting outside trump tower. clearly, what we look at across the nation today at what i this i is a galvanizing moment to see entire generation of kids standing up and saying this can't happen anymore. this is really referendum against gun violence, not just school shootings. but in listening to some of those young men talking about chicago, since what we saw in parkland occur back on february 14th, there have been over 100 people shot in the city of chicago alone, many more across the country. and this is going to require a widespread reform. and a comprehensive plan. i think that to listen to these young people talking to legislators, talking to the leaders, the civic and community leaders, it really is about coming together in holistic way. and there are a number of this ings that need to be done. the law enforcement response is one component, but certainly a
lot more across the program, andrea. >> you know, shawn, it also occurs that the president initially was talking about raising the age limit, also responses now. now he has retreated after a dinner with nra and retreated to mental health, bromides if you will, not that it needs to be done, but those resisting change. and also talking about arming teachers. what is your view about arming teachers? >> well, i saw a piece on the news armed in a school accidental discharge. fortunately nobody was injured. shot went into the ceiling. but there needs to be a lot of thought put into that. i don't know that that's the answer. there is a lot that needs to be done to identify the threat and stop the threat. part of it is the access to guns by people who shouldn't have
them. there are lawful citizens who have a right to weapons. but a lot of people that have hands on weapons that shouldn't have access to them. that is going to require some legislation. that is absolutely require thorough vetting for any one who wants to have a weapon. i think it's going to require some more efforts from the health care community and educational community. and quite honestly, andrea, from a societal prpic tierspective. kids can play games and kill people online using virtual reality. i think it's going to require comprehensive review and change the culture and really get some action that is going to have a widespread impact. andrea. >> shawn henry, thank you so much. and as we watch in columbine, the students are releasing balloons one at a time. obviously, in memory of victims
of the gun violence. i want to bring in mariana in washington d.c. >> reporter: andrea, here in front of capitol hill. and you can see thousands of students out here listening to the speakers, poets, lawmakers. i just spoke to one law enforcement official who told me there are at least 3500 students here participating in this rally today. they want to see change. they held their 17-moinute momet of silence in the white house, turning their backs to the white house, and marched over here to pressure lawmakers in enacting the kind of change they want to see. here are a few girls from national cathedral school. tell me what have you heard from lawmakers here? what do you want to hear? >> i want to hear what we as students can do going further. not just coming to protest. not just going to the march for
our lives on the 24th. what we can really do going further. i this i thnk the energy is gre here. but what's next? >> i think another important thing we heard today is they are listening to us. and some people stud up there, senators, saying you are the future and being heard. i know change is coming but to know they are listening and this makes an impact is really important for us. >> reporter: and dree pa as we were listening to you, they started listening among themselves receives with other protesters what more they can do. and you are actually from a different school. >> i'm from walter johnson high school. >> reporter: and you chimed in and said this is what we can do. >> yeah. so two things i was talking about, first, not only do we need to influence our politicians, what we need to influence corporations that we support financially. for example -- i'm so sorry -- for example, through walmart and dick's sporting good, just
because of the past few weeks they no longer sell guns in their stores. based off of that if we have this many em showing support, astronomically higher showing support at the march, so many more corporations will follow. >> reporter: but following not only leg lislators, but also corporations. we have seen congress men, bernie sanders, they were excitesed excited to see. and all of these girls were excited to be on live with you, andrea. >> i love you. >> thank you. thanks to them. to the girls and walter johnson as well. i really love the fact that they are out there. and in parkland, florida,
joining me now. we have listening to students in front of the capital. they are talking about hearing from democrats. but republicans have not been speaking out for the most part. and the democrats are also today celebrating the likely election, a parent winner in the pennsylvania 18th district which as you know is a democrat who sports gun rights but is backgrounds checks. the lessons they feel candidates are more mainstream and red america, that could diminish support on capitol hill for tightening gun laws where relevan. >> reporter: well, andrea, i think some of the future for washington is standing right here. >> good point. >> reporter: they are all
freshman in the school. and we are standing in front of what has become a memorial if you will. you see statues of angels, 17 of them representing 17 people who were murdered here just a month ago. i asked this young man what his thoughts were about even going back into the school. and what did you say? >> i didn't feel safe. whenever i get out of school, i feel safer than i in school. >> reporter: and we were just talking about what does it mean beyond today in terms of legislative action? do you expects leg lay shuislatl make a change as far as gun safety? >> i do think there is. but the parties don't agree on stuff, as you can see, our nation is very divided at this moment. and i feel like we should all get together. because this isn't matter of parties, it's just people, and as people we should all come together during this because this could be anybody that gets killed. >> reporter: and, andrea, the students have been saying that
these were freshman. but you don't feel that that means you don't have a voice. is that correct? >> yes. >> reporter: you do have a voice? >> yes, we have a voice. >> reporter: is it a voice that your legislatures should be listening to? >> yes. >> reporter: does it matter if democrat or republican? >> flo. >> reporter: what do you want them to hear from you? >> we want them to hear that things need to change. things need to change. >> reporter: is that what you are saying as well? >> yeah. i do not feel safe in school at all. like, think about it, he had a bunch of other bullets that could have been a bunch of other lives taken. all these 17 people were so innocent. they didn't deserve this. none of us need to have, to like feel unsafe anywhere that we go. we are all kids. we go to school for just trying to get an education, just trying to live our normal lives that we
have. it's parkland. you would never have expected it would have been our school. >> reporter: but it was your school. >> exactly. >> reporter: now what are you saying? does it go beyond today? can you sustain this kind of energy into some legislative action? >> we won't stop fighting until something changes. legislatures need to do their job. they work for us and not doing what we want them to do. 97% of americans believe in universal background checks. it's in the error of margin. we are to this point universally agree we need to do something in our nation, but none of our legislatures are going to do something. so we'll start until they do something. >> reporter: in florida your legislatures have done something. they passed a gun reform, measure that said they changed the age requirement for when someone can get a gun to 21 instead of 18. how does this make you feel quickly? >> that's a start. that's a step in the right
direction. but i don't think that really is as effective. because the man in the poll shooting he was much older. i don't think it's as much of age that matters. i think it's who the person is, mentally, and like just the fact they are allowed to get a gun, like an assault rifle. and school is supposed to feel safe. >> reporter: every kid here, not just here, all they want to do is feel safe. and they are asking for the adults to make that possible. back to you, andrea. >> in parkland. thank you so much to all the young people joining you today. and joining me now to talk about the political fallout of this new movement, former pennsylvania governor, and democrat national committee chairman ed randle. and former republican national committee chair. welcome, both. as we continue to look at the pictures of this national out pouring. first to you, ed rendle, overnight, an election in the
pennsylvania 18th a parent election. winner is someone in favor of gun rights. first campaign i covered in pennsylvania. 1968 saw the democratic very powerful incumbent senator joe clark defeated because he was calling for gun laws. if the democrats can't field a candidate calling for some controls on guns in red parts of your state, of pennsylvania, how is this ever going to get passed? >> well, andrea, i think he is for universal background checks. step in the right direction. i disagree with him with assault rifles. i disagree with him on high capacity magazines. what in god's name does someone need a magazine that has 50 bullets in a clip? that's for killing in large numbers. and we have to make those against the law and enforce that law very strongly and carefully.
but what i remind my progress friends and what i remind our students is unless a party that is bound and determined to bring up gun legislation, significant gun legislation, unless we are in the majority, we can't get anything through the house or senate floor. we have to be in a position of control. so if conor lamb election makes it more likely we'll control the house, if that's the case, good step for gun rightsment because if we vote on in the congress, if imagine a bill that didn't get enough votes in the senate and probably would have failed in the house, if that bill is brought to the floor today, it passes. it passes in might judgment by significant margins. both the senate and the house. so that's a big step. that's not a small step. that's a big step. so we have to be in a position to control what gets voted on.
>> before i finish that thought and bring in michael steel as well, governor rendle, paul ryan is saying that the lessen to republicans, that it's a warning sign, sure, that the lesson is you have to field candidates that the democrats have had to field candidate who was really spouting republican policies here and that it was not a clear win for certainly not for the progress wing of the democrat party. account democrats pull together and bridge these divides coming up? what do you think real lessons are? >> i thought paul ryan has reputation of being smart guy. that's one of the stupidest things i've heard. they are going to say most important vote lamb will make is the vote to have a new speaker who will control the democrat agenda and bring it to the floor and a new majority leader in the
not who will do the same thing. doesn't matter. we need democrats to be in control of the agenda so these kids can get real relief so people who will stand up and cast a vote against assault weapons, weapons of war, vote of high capacity magazines. vote maybe to only limit sales of guns one a month, 12 a year, that's plenty. that's what we need. and conor lamb will deliver it, joe donnelly will deliver it, so i don't care if they are conservative democrats, this he are good that believe in lawful the message. not necessarily all the things but believe in the core message. >> thank you very much. and michael steel h republicans answer to conor lamb surprising victory. 20 point swing, 2016 election where that district went so favorably for donald trump. >> it was a massive wake up call. two very important takeaways
from my assessment having done this dance in 2010 and various other times. >> midterms are tricky. >> midterms are tricky, that's a very key point to make. and the thing about last night, the two lessons i think the republican neither meads to it be aware of. one is republican voted against the republican nominee for the office. that attributes to the 20 point swing you are talking about. what does that say when base republicans are voting against the president's choice? the president himself maybe his agenda, whatever their political narrative may be, that clearly is something that needs to get addressed. and i don't think they are in a position to address it very clearly between now and november because of all the variables, firing of secretary of states, dis-rupp shuns here and there, all of that muddles the conversation. the second thing was how the democrats stayed out of their own way. they let conor lamb run the
arrest he wanted to run. eave been saying 20 years in this business. particularly the republican party, let them run in the distribdi districts where you find them because they best reflect the people in that district. you cannot take someone from the northeast and run like from alabama and nor alabama from maryland. you saw that play out in pennsylvania last night in this district where conor lamb, yes, he was with republicans on certain issues. but he best reflected that district. and that's an important lessons for democrats and as wakeup call for republicans across the country now as long as democrats stay out of their own way. >> the president could not do more than going on saturday, giving one of his rip roaring rallies, peter alexander at the white house, many could argue he also did the aluminum and steel tariffs deliberately timed to
help him in that district. and none of that worked. >> reporter: that's right. i hear from those in the white house and close to the president the way they are framing this, the spin from the west wing as it were today, it would have been a wap op if the president hadn't been involved. that it was a five or six point loss for saccone before the president went out and made it matter of hundreds of votes. remember that the president won 17 months ago, won this district by 20 points. so you have to imagine if the president wasn't in office, that it certainly wouldn't have been what turned out to be a 20-point swing at the time. but that's the way they are viewing it. bottom line for the white house president is on losing streak when you consider what happened in alabama, doug jones defeating roy moore. obviously roy moore had a lot of challenges but president put his might behind that considering what happened in virginia with ralph northam, and now in pennsylvania. so the people close to the president i've been speaking to
the last 12 hours, it's a bad indication and omen, but we'll have to find good candidates that could be a blood bath coming up in november. >> and peter and michael, if you want to hang on for a moment. steve paterson is with a school principal at high school in north denver. let's listen in. steve? >> reporter: andrea i'm joined by principal scott wolf at the high school. we've just had 17 minutes. do you think this is a big awakening from the students here? talk about this moment. >> i've been here last five years. this year i see more sense of our students being alive and wanting to engage in what's happening right now compared to in the future. all put together by the students who wanted to do something and make sure we are part of something that's happening nationally. because our students are itching not just to talk about it, but actually see change.
because they recognize that current system is broken and we want to make sure everyone is safe. >> reporter: we saw some of the planning meetings of the student leaders before they mashrched o here. can you talk about their leadership skills? >> yeah, it was pretty cool. they came and said mr. wolf i want to do this i said great we want to make this the best possible. so make it clear what the outcomes are. then i had end to make sure they have a good understanding what are all the things we have to think about in terms of coordinating the event, making sure everybody is safe. but i try not to have a voice. i didn't get up there to say anything chblt i wanted that something that the students are like hey we lead this and made that happen this is where there is power. >> reporter: this is reality students grow up, talked to student in leadership classroom, middle school where student brought a gun to school, ten
miles south is columbine. can you talk about briefly what this community has gone through since then to progress to where we are today? >> yeah. its real for our kids. they have seen it whether in a school or they have this sense our society is not predictable and we need to make sure we are doing everything we can to make it safe. making sure kids understand mental health issues to making sure we have the right regulations in terms of weapons that can cause harm. >> reporter: thank you so much for joining us. and dr andrea, send it back to you. >> thank you to you all. you can see it, it's so exciting. >> it's exciting and see consistency of effort. they have not backed down from the negative impact who people say this is bigger than you. nra is bigger than you. they are showing they are bigger than anything right here on this country on this issue.
and a lot of elected officials in capitol hill and state legislatures, wake up, they are coming up. this he a they are coming for you. >> thank you to the whole team. we have a lot of stories coming up. next, brexit, what is next. stay with us. you are watching andrea mitchell on msnbc. last years' ad campaign
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i'll now return to private life as a private citizen. as a proud american, proud to serve my country. >> rex tillerson's exit. oust steer from the state department. unsermon usually fired on twitter. that now shifts the pfocus to nw cia director. now, global affairs analyst and former under secretary of state and former cia chief of staff. wendy, first to you, from your long experience at the state department, what happens next? it's a s let's assume that mike pompeo gets past this. brian hook from the state department attending from the united states. what is the signal that brian
hook can stand what donald trump will do on the next iran deal? and how will the iran deal decision effect what kim jong-un as far as how to handle his supposedly may meeting with president trump? >> all extraordinarily and right on questions. indeed, i think brian hook will go to vienna to meet with all of those who negotiated the comprehensive plan of action with no real authority. nobody new whether the europeans whether anything he negotiated would be upheld by the president of the united states. they will now be certain they won't be. so he's going as a place holder rather than a real negotiator. but more importantly as you point out the president has to make a decision about the iran deal in the middle of may. that may be about the time that he goes to north korea for very tough negotiations. and if he pulls out of the iran deal, which he seemed to indicate one of the main differences with rex tillerson was on iran, then we'll say that the u.s. is negotiating partner
has no credibility. you can't count on them to continue on agreement once they've made it. but knowing this president he may say to north korea i'm going to rip up this deal because i'll never negotiate a deal like this. it's going to be the best, the greatest ever, and we'll have two nuclear crisis on our plate at the same time. >> jeremy bash, as former chief of staff at cia, you've worked with gina haskell, post 9/11, with i then according to diane feinstein went well beyond the parameters described to congress. what happens to gina, well regarded by many people, including your former boss, pan , leon panetta. >> she's highly credible. right person to lead the agency
because she has the backing of the workforce and knows the issues and not a partisan political figure. i think it actually can be advantageous for the agency to have someone like a career officer in one of the two top jobs there. it's true, andrea, she did play a role in counter terrorism operations after 9/11, 16 years ago, and i know she will have to answer questions by diane feinstein. i'm fairly confident she will be able to answer the questions thoroughly and good leader for the agency. >> what about mike pompeo is he going to stand up to donald trump having seen exactly what happened to rex tillerson because he stood up at least occasionally to donald trump? >> well, look, andrea, you've been covering this agency for decades. you know better than i do, the most important relationship they
have is with the president. they basically have no power unless they are seen to represent the president at all times, to speak for him. and, you know, i don't think it really matters whether you fundamentally agree with the policy. you have to somehow make it plain to the president you've got to give him your best advice, but then you have to follow the president's lead and execute his strategy, and not sort of disagree with him in a way that the president finds disagreeable. you know, rex tillerson couldn't really find that balance. mike pompeo apparently has. they, as the president has said they are very much sym pat co. and i think there is a real hunger in the state department for mike pompeo's leadership. look, as others have said, the state department will follow the devil into hell as long as they use the deposiplomats though ar there. they aren't about creating policy. they'll give you their best
advice in years of experience. they are a tool that wants to be used. most of these people could be making more in the private sector. see themselves as patriots. they want to be involved in world affairs and in executing u.s. strategy. and an according to most sources, pompeo understood that. he had the building behind him in langley. so i this i that, you know, this past year with rex tillerson was a very difficult year because rex tillerson really put himself in opposition to the building, opposition to people who worked for him, even in his good-bye speech, the heart felt part of this speech when he was talking about the pentagon, not really talking about the state department. there was just a fundamental disconnect between rex tillerson and the people who work for him. and i think there is real hope that that's not going to be true for mike pompeo. >> john mccain, among others, is
asking for a really tough examination, though, of gina haskell. does that give you pause, jeremy? >> mccain has been absolutely clear that the communication techniques were immoral. and given his moral standing on the issue, i don't think anyone can question his point of view. i think the broader issue is we ended these in 2009 when obama came in. she has been serving with distinction. and i this i she will answer the questions. but at the end of the day the committee will realize she's the right leader for the agency. >> and wendy, you deal with students, are we going to recover the way the state department future generations don't want to take the foreign service exam? >> well, i'm wearing orange today in solidarity. the reason is they represent
what democracy is about. where we have presidents and institutions around the world trying to undermine democracy. these are kids that show democracy matters and voices count. i think we can recover. i think it was director pompeo said in his remarks that he looked forward to working with the foreign service and that they had served well and fine with him. i think if he walks in and he reaffirms them, he takes off the hex on the backs of all of those who served under secretary clinton ankerry, i want your expertise, we'll have fewer people retiring, we'll have their service and institutional memory and expertise at the service of america's national security. and that's what we need. >> wendy sherman, thank you all so much. and another big issue front and center, british prime minister accusing russia attempting to kill a russian spy and his daughter with a nerve agent.
>> onto the, they will dispel 23 russian diplomats identified as undeclared in till against officers. they have just one week to leave. this will be the single biggest expulsion over 30 years and reflect the fact that the russian state has acted against our country. >> may said that the u.n. security council will now hold an emergency center. later today to talk about the nerve agent attack and the u.k. will push for robust international response. nbc kerr joins me from london. what next will they do russian has not given any information as demanded in response to accusations? >> well, you no he, it'sknow, i question, because it suggests britain hasn't been able to do that much. expelling 23 russian diplomats
tit for tat where they will expel some. it is a significant act in the sense that what britt tain effectually does it cuts off their own ability to get information on russia. because they know president putin will expand. there are other things prime minister announce, ministers of royal family will not attend soccer world cup later 0en in russia. but that under scores the challenges that the u.k. faces. and, andrea, i think really putting back from all of this, the real question facing the west, and facing the u.s., is what to do. because britain of course is america's closest ally. britain has now seen an an attempted assassination on its own soil. they have to respond. the question is whether the
white house will follow the u.k. in that tough action. >> in fact, white house response so far has been what you might call weak tea, other than secretary tillerson's comments on his way back from africa. and we saw where that helped land him. so what do you think, i guess we should all be reporting how nikki haley or the white house response today at the security council? >> yeah, that's right. we should be, i think. and i think, also, another way to look at this, because one of the questions that everyone is asking themselves, this was brazen, some british ministers have described it as u.k. prime minister describing russia treating u.k. with disdain. looks as if this attempted assassination was so brazen they must have known it would be discovered. so people are asking themselves the question, well, why would russia do that? and perhaps there is something of an answer in that all of that
politics. because if the u.k.'s relationship with russia is going into a deep freeze the way even more frozen than if you like than it already was, then that puts a distance between the u.s. position on russia and british position on russia in terms of europe, you know, andrea, you know all too well europe is divided particularly with brexit, for example. parts of the southern europe, the public there quite pro russia. so you can see the way an event like this, and president putin perhaps, he's a smart guy would have known this, you can see event like this is causing more friction between western allies and maybe that's what russia wants. >> kerr, just to switch gears for a moment. because you did an extraordinary tribute to steven hawking overnight. you've been very busy correspondent overnight. i wanted to play one part of
that from the big bang theory, their guest cami owe with stephen hawking. >> professor hawking, it's an honor and a privilege to meet you, sir. >> i know. >> i mean, i learned so much from your report. if you can talk for a moment about steven hawking. diagnosed with als at 21 kwh he was at cambridge, i believe, and long life, and incredible contributions to the world. >> yeah, i love that you play that clip, because it brings out something that people may not know, he had a tremendous sense of humor. but so much in his life. you mention the crip blink illness that led to him in wheelchair. he was told at 21 he would not
have long to live. he explored time and universe from wheelchair and became someone that inspired people not just with science, but with the way that he viewed life, andrea. he would say look up at the stars, not down at your shoes. and i think that's a message in these difficult times that we can all learn something from. >> kerr simonds always wonderful to talk to you. i always learn something. >> you bet. >> who is the next cabinet member to hear you're fired from president trump. stay here. you'll have those next with andrea mitchell. see for yourself why chevrolet is the most awarded and fastest growing brand, the last four years overall. switch into a new chevy now. current qualified competitive owners and lessees can get this 2018 chevy equinox
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presence than gary cohn, of course. >> yeah, that's exactly right. my colleagues robert costa just confirmed that. larry kudlow is a free trader but someone who the president has a good relationship with, was often in the president's ear, talking on the phone with him throughout this administration, and someone who the president saw on tv a lot and liked. this is a president, we're seeing, who is remaking his west wing and his white house in his own image and getting rid of people that didn't quite work, although that wasn't quite the case with gary cohn departing. he's bringing in people he feels comfortable with and larry kudlow is one of them. >> he was in favor of the carve-outs, so perhaps you'll see more carve-outs from the
tariffs, including the european union. >> it's a good question. what we've seen on every issue is two things are sort of both true. one is that the president is often quite impressionable or can be persuaded by the last person he talked to or someone he's seen frequently or someone he's chatted with at night. on a few core issues, like trade and immigration, the president's gut has never wavered for decades. no matter how much he's maneu r maneuvered or staved off from making a decision, he often aligns to where his gut is. >> jonathan, one of the things that's impressive that jeh johnson said on "morning joe," when you have this turmoil at the contact level, you can't get things done. it takes so long to get
confirmed, get staffed up, change the immediate office. you can't do any initiatives. >> no. and one of the big complaints about washington is that nothing gets done at the capitol, there's so much gridlock between the house and the senate, the congress can't do any of the big things because they can't get their acts together. you take that and you add to that this incredible dysfunction at the white house, inside the west wing with this constant churning. things have come to a complete stand stil standstill. for the president to now have to get a senate confirmed secretary of state, a senate confirmed head of the cia and whoever he also he might kick to the curb in order to get this cabinet in his own imagining, in his own shaping, that's going to take a lot of time. the big danger in all of this is that the president is getting rid of people and replacing people who will not tell him no, who will not have the guts, the fortitude, to stand there and say, mr. president, you cannot
do this, you should not do this, you should rethink this particular action. here are the consequences. it doesn't sound like there's going to be anyone who will be able to to do that. the big problem is we have a president of the united states who if someone were to say those things to him he either will not hear it or he'll discount it. >> ashley parker, one of the side effects of this, maybe one of the most important effects, as jonathan was just alluding to, you have people coming in who may not have the backbone to say no to him, but also may not have the experience or the knowledge base, because he's turning to people who don't have the whole experience that either diplomatically or in economics, that others have had in the past. >> yeah, that's exactly right. and one of the things with this president in talking to people, both in the white house, about the people he's now bringing in and the people he's pushing out,
it's often less about disagreeing on policy or someone with a lot of experience having a policy disagreement, but it's really about personality. so when you talk about secretary of state or former secretary of state rex tillerson, for instance, people say, yes, they disagreed on some policies, and the president was frustrated that he believed tillerson was, quote unquote, too establishment in his thinking. but the real issue was that it was just a bad personality match, when we're hearing rumors of h.r. mcmaster leaving the white house, people say, yes, they weren't always aligned on issues but the real issue is they just didn't have good chemistry, they didn't click. when you have a president bringing in people not based on ideology and not based on expertise or decades of experience, but sort of who he has a good chemistry with, who he likes, who he enjoys watching on tv, who he thinks is out of central casting, you don't often get or you don't always get, at least, maybe some of the benefits that come from someone who has been working in this field for decades. >> and ashley, joining us now, miraculously, is ali velshi, my
colleague, my partner, host of course of the 11:00, the 3:00, and a lot of other o'clocks. your take on larry kudlow to replace gary cohn as we've been reporting. >> i think ashley is right, larry kudlow is a great performer. there are two distinct problems with the larry kudlow equation. if gary cohn left because of tariffs, larry kudlow is as big a free trader as they come. he'll have to work that out with the president. larry kudlow has been out there pushing this idea that the economy can grow at 4 or 5 or 6% and that these tax cuts help you get there. a lot of people know that's fantastical thinking. and larry kudlow is now going to be in a position where he can encourage the president to continue telling people that that's going to happen when in fact our economy is more mature and it's more stable and you
can't just do this. so what they've done is they've sold tax cuts on the rich to the american public on the expectation that it will increase economic growth, it won't increase the deficit, and somehow everybody's going to be happier. apparently last night in pennsylvania, not everybody bought that message. and that is going to be a problem, because you don't have somebody telling the president the truth if it's larry kudlow, because larry kudlow has been selling that message for over a year now, two years. >> those are the kinds of economic projections we read in the completely made-up chinese or russian gdps. >> right. >> it just seems to me that that creates an enormous problem, a burden on the one economic policymaker who doesn't have to salute, which is jay powell. >> correct. and that's the problem, because the fed can't fix everything. we've gotten into a habit of thinking, particularly after the financial crisis, that the fed came to the rescue, they were being the adults in the room and could fix that. but they can't make up for bad economic policy and bad fiscal policy. that's part of the problem, if
you continue to say that this is going to happen, for some period of time voters may believe it, they'll say a little more in their checks. but this concept that we'll grow ourselves out of this debt, grow ourselves out of these big, some would say unnecessary tax cuts, it's problematic. the whole conversation that you've been happening about whether mike pompeo will stand up to the president and tell him things he doesn't want to hear, it's now the same issue, is larry kudlow going to tell the president things he doesn't want to hear? i don't know about that. >> he's filling a job that technically was supposed to be the equivalent of the nsc. it's supposed to be the job of bringing together disparate viewpoints and presenting them to the president, the way bob rubin and bill clinton envisioned it in 1993. >> that's correct. larry kudlow has his own views on things and he'll be pleased to let you know what they are. >> disparate viewpoints are not what this president wants.
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words for hillary clinton. and tells the national party she doesn't care what they think. and from generation to generation, movement to movement, we'll talk about an inflection point of protest in washington with civil rights icon john lewis. but first we are awaiting the video of stormy daniels' interview, but tonight cbs has released the transcript. some of it is what you might expect, the claims of stormy daniels, a successful porn star who said she and donald trump had sex once in 2006. they met, she says, at a golf event in tahoe. according to daniels, they stayed in touch. daniels claiming trump even made her watch shark week in 2007 in a hotel room with him. flash forward to 2011 when danlds agrees to tell her story to a magazine, and according to her trump attorney michael cohen threatens to sue. we were anticipating this story
from her attorney michael avenatti. >> were you threat ened in any way? >> yes. >> was she threatened physical harm? >> yes. >> here's how stephanie clifford, which is stormy daniels' real name, explains that chapter to 60 minutes. she says, quote, i was in a parking lot going to a fitness class with my infant daughter, taking, you know, the seats facing backwards in the back seat, diaper bag, getting all the stuff out. and a guy walked up on me and said, quote, leave trump alone, forget the story. he looked around at my daughter and said, quote, that's a beautiful little girl. it would be a shame if something happened to her mom. and then she says he was gone. daniels said she took the exchange as a direct threat after trump won the republican nomination daniels says cohen reached out with that now infamous $130,000 offer of payment which came with a nondisclosure agreement. the story broke 15 months later
in "wall street journal" hours before the president was sworn into office. the white house has always denied the allegations the president had an affair with daniels and when asked what she would say if the president were watching, danliels said, quote, he knows i'm telling the truth. joining me politico author jake sherman. managing director for hamilton play strategies michael steel. "the new york times" political reporter ken vogel. secretary to the secretary of defense and nbc national security analyst. and in new york civil rights and employment attorney nancy erica smith. we should mention that she represented former fox news anchor gretchen carlson in her harassment lawsuit against former fox news ceo roger ailes. thank you all for being here tonight. it is quite a remarkable evening. and while all of us were -- as everyone in washington has been
talking about this off-set before we all started, this is a story the details of which we largely -- they all lineup with this in touch magazine story, ken vogel. however, this is still an adult film star on 60 minutes, a nationwide platform. it is in many ways what we would define as a seminal moment. the trump administration has not had many of these because they seem to fly by so fast. put this -- is this going to matter? what does this mean? >> short answer, i would predict, no, it's not going to matter and that's because of what you just said. we have a scandal of the moment, at every moment, and trump largely seems to be immune from any serious repercussions and his supporters, the folks in his base, have shown a willingness to forgive all manner of indiscretions or behaviors or statements that would sink otherwise more traditional politicians. i'm not really sure that this, despite the fact that it is real
-- really a remarkable moment. even though as you suggested the allegations are mostly out there will shed new light and extend the story, certainly the way that trump has denied this and the way that his lawyers have been aggressive in pursuing stormy daniels, have extended the story but ultimately i see it simmering at a low boil while all this other stuff swirls around us. >> michael, you're laughing. >> i disagree. the real question here is whether there is a campaign finance violation. >> okay. >> the president in matters of public perception has been able to skate by because people think of him as a celebrity, not as a politician, he's treated by as such by the public and not the news media. it's tough to see how this does president rise to the level of a serious campaign violation. >> nancy, can i get you to weigh in on that perspective by michael wright? >> we know donald trump is going
to be deposed in the zervos case. he's called stormy daniels a lawyer. i wouldn't be surprised to see him sued for defamation. these issues are important because he'll be deposed under oath as bill clinton was. under oath if he denies this and there is evidence that it's true, now he's a perjurer, a criminal. it is dangerous for him. it is more important for our country to think about having a president who is able to buy secrets for himself, whether his friends in the media buy secrets to catch and kill stories, and then he can call the rest of the media fake media. or whether he's just buying secrecy about information that he has already told us is important. how did he tell us? he had a press conference with all of bill clinton's accusers at the debate with hillary clinton shaming his wife, shaming bill clinton's wife. he shamed uma abedin about anthony weiner. he tweeted gleefully about al franken, who is no longer a
senator for doing much less than summer zervos alleges and women in this country are more than 50% of the population. so, even his base may start to chip away now that we know that he is possibly lying. summer zervos is going to be able to depose him. or that he -- you know, it fits that he doesn't treat women well. he admits it. he admits grabbing women by their genitals against their will, and he admits sneaking into the miss universe contest so he can look at young women getting dressed. >> right. >> why aren't we surprised? >> one thing you said you talked about the idea that people might start to care. just to go back to what we were just talking about, jake and evelyn, i'd like you to weigh in on this. we are waiting for the video. this woman is sitting down with anderson cooper and she relates a story, and the quote here says she picked up -- he showed her a
magazine with himself on the cover and she says, someone should take that magazine and spank you with it. she says this on camera. and then once she actually does it, which she relates and explains, anderson cooper asks her, well, what did he say then? and she says, he became more comfortable, quote, wow, you are special he told her. you remind me of my daughter. these kinds of things keep going. anderson cooper asked, did he use a condom. she says no. this is the president of the united states. are these clips of this really not going to impact the debate? >> i actually have a hard time processing all of this, but i think that -- >> i think i do, too. >> so, i do think, though, that if i am a democrat running against republicans for any seat around the country in 2018, i would run these clips and run clips of the president firing everybody in his sight and say,
listen, this guy is -- represents chaos. our government is in chaos. we have a porn star coming out of practically all over the place saying the president had relationships with them. he fires people every week. and, say listen, i am democrat x and i am going to restore sanity to washington. i mean, it's a compelling message when you have -- i mean, let's see this for what it is. a porn star and a play boy model at the same time accusing the president of affairs. so, i just think there has to be a way for democrats to capitalize on this. >> and, just to keep it a little bit in the moment, evelyn, i'd like you to weigh in, too. melania trump staying in florida amid all this. there is a component for the family here as well. >> i think there are a couple things. i agree with jake the whole idea of bring us back to normalcy, normality, you know, no more of this chaos. the fact that his personal life has this element of chaos in it,
it will be disturbing to voters, especially female voters. the other thing that bothers me with this, if it's true there is this muscle being applied to her -- >> right. >> to stormy daniels or stephanie clifford, that i think will be a problem. and if there is a pattern of muscle in addition to the, you know, trying to quiet these women with legal efforts and then, of course, the campaign violation, this added piece of potentially intimidating them, using the muscle, if that's happened beyond this one case, if indeed it did happen in this case, i think that's a problem. >> okay. we are also learning this nugget from 60 minutes from the transcript of the stormy daniels interview and it's from her lawyer michael avenatti. so, this is him being quoted. he says the nondisclosure agreement that daniels signed in 2016 when she was represented by another lawyer was sent to trump's attorney, michael cohen, at his office in trump tower. avenatti reads the cover letter
and goes on to surmise what he thinks it means. saying, quote, to mr. cohen as executive vice-president and special counsel to donald j. trump, the trump organization, again -- listing the 5th avenue address -- this idea that there is a separation between mr. cohen individually and the trump organization or mr. cohen individually and donald trump, it's nonsense. so, again, the lawyer is talking about the fact that in the wake of all of this -- and, ken vogel, campaign finance law is your area of specialty. one of the ways cohen has argued back against this is to say, essentially, look, i made this payment in my personal capacity, nothing to do with the president, nothing to do with the campaign, nothing official at all. what the lawyer is saying here effectively is no, actually, that money was paid in an official way. >> in an official way if it is done an official way through the company it is potentially problematic. where you have you would have the potential finance campaign violation is if trump reimbursed cohen for the payment and did
not disclose it as a payment that he was making to benefit his own campaign, it wouldn't be illegal for him to reimburse -- >> he didn't disclose it, right? >> no one disclosed it that we know of unless there was some way that they passed it through an entity that is not indicating what its ultimate purpose is. we do know michael cohen complained, i guess it's been reported the president complained, is that right? >> michael cohen complained -- first of all, michael cohen according to "the wall street journal" said he was trying to get in touch with the president before making this payment. and then he complained he hadn't been reimbursed, doesn't specify by whom for the payment after the fact. once which get into this area of campaign finance law, you know, eyes glaze over, a, and b, there is not a whole lot of enforcement. the federal action commission is going to charge in here like the new sheriff in town. >> not effective. right. >> they'll come down with a reconciliation agreement, $5,000 fine, you know.
this is not -- i think the optics are more problematic than the campaign finance legal issues here. as i said, i think that the optics just feed into this narrative that would have brought down any other politician, could be helpful for democrats in the midterms, but it's hard to see it really damaging this guy who has been so teflon for so many of these really -- >> you're shaking your head. >> yeah, it feeds into this impression of low-rent thugishness and sleaze that surround the the entire trump organization prior to his election and continues to pop up in odd ways as we see his presidency, whether it's financing from abroad, projects overseas, whether it's continuing talks about hush money to play boy, play mates and pornographic film stars. >> michael, you worked for boehner. clearly there's been a certain level of assortedness in politics. we all have our flaws. but i do not recognize this as the republican party that i have
covered for many years. >> i don't recognize this as the american political system as we've known it. >> exactly. >> for the entire two centuries of our country. we elected the first president in american history with no military experience, first reality tv president, we've been sucked into this cesspool of mall. >> is there a point where republicans say to you and i publicly what they say in private? >> we are getting a lot of republican members of congress go home, and the problem isn't how much they stuck to donald trump. they get in trouble for not supporting him enough, which is a tough spot to be in. i do want to echo what mike said because he's right. boehner pushed people out of the house of representatives for taking a photo with their shirt off and for things that were a lot more mild than hush payments to porn stars. so -- >> paul ryan is doing the same
thing now in the house. >> he's pushed people out or has attempted to. not as successful as boehner, of course. >> mr. farenthold is holding on for some reason. >> if it gets to a point -- i don't think it's a useful exercise to guess about what bob mueller is doing. but if it gets to a point where there is a report or there is some information from mueller that indicates some sort of crime, i think that's when you see republicans start talking out. i think that's the only point. >> we have clearly a lot to talk about here. but we have to take a break. still to come on "kasie d.c.," we are going to talk about massive staff shake ups in the president's orbit. plus congressman john lewis, ambassador andrew young and senator claire mccaskill. and we'll have some breaking news from congressman ryan costello. we're back after this.
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have a 4-year-old. it's a very challenging job serving in congress with a young family. i accepted that and had planned on running for reelection in the congressional district that i've served for the past 3 1/2 years. what happened was the state supreme court then, in a matter of a week or so, decided to invalidate the map the first time in the history of the republic where a state supreme court has done that. and ultimately altered the district. >> we're going to have our full interview on that in our 8:00 hour. we'll talk a little bit to jake sherman at some point. but i do want to get back to stormy daniels since i have a long list of things we haven't even talked about. i want to take a look a little bit at this piece that came out in "the new york times" today. it gimz you a behind the scenes color as to what daniels is as a business woman. the times writes, quote, she's the boss and everyone knew it. anyone a heartily, one of the longest working performers said
about miss clifford. the renaissance porn star, said ron jeremy, once perhaps the most famous porn star of all, quote, she was a very serious business woman and a film maker and had taken the reigns of her career, said the director of her cameos in the comedies knocked up and the 40-year-old virgin. she is not someone to be underestimated. nancy, you read through this piece which i was -- i have to say riveted to this morning, and it paints a picture of somebody who is beyond the caricatures, all our kye rons and headlines say the president and the porn star, and you have all of they'd conceptions about what that means. but this shows somebody who grew up in a bad neighborhood, came from not very much, and quite frankly has done much more than just star in these films. >> right, she's an equestrian, she competes as an equestrian. she is obviously a very devoted
mother. she's taken herself well into the middle class. she's a writer, a film maker, a cinemaing to ra fer. she's well respected by the people who work for and with her. so she does. that's why i call her an adult entertainment star because it is diminishing sort of to just call her a porn star. that might be why donald trump was attracted to her, but she's actually much more than that. >> well, and actually to that point, i want to go back to -- i may have lost it in my pile of papers here. but one of the things that she actually says in this interview, again, is -- explains why he wanted to start up some sort of relationship with her, and it goes back to this story about spanking him with the magazine, which is something, an incident that causes him to respect her, and that changes the tenor of their conversation, evelyn farkas. you remind me of my daughter. you're smart, a woman to be ricardo with and i like you.
>> in several of the interviews, because there is also the interview that she did back in i think 2011 or so in the insight magazine, and there also she makes it clear that she felt like he was attracted to her beyond her initial attraction of the looks. once they got to know each other, once they started talking, because of her intelligence. so, that does seem to matter for him. >> one other thing i do want to touch on, though, before we go to break here is the question of her credibility. and in this interview she is pressed repeatedly about statements that she signed that have denied that the affair ever happened. there have been different versions of one of them went out with what appeared to be a fake signature. jimmy kimmel talked to her about that. she essentially says, ken vogel, that she felt bullied and intimidated and this is why she said she agreed to put out statements that essentially were false. how does that -- first of all, how will it play with the public and how will it play in a court of law as well? >> in a court of law it could be
tricky. we've seen donald trump apply aggressive tactics, employ aggressive tactics on his behalf to back down accusers. >> the intimidation thing we were talking about. >> certainly. i think that intimidation thing and that explanation she felt bullied and intimidated would probably pass muster with a lot of people. people would hear that and look at donald trump, yeah, i can buy that. and the other thing i would say is that like, look who you're going up against here, donald trump does not actually have the best, most consistent record when it comes to keeping his stories straight. you have to compare. it's a relative debate between these two people. there probably are a lot of people who would take her side over his. >> you doipt want to put someone in this industry up as a role model. in the me too current environment, the story of a powerful man dangling the possibility of a reward, dangling the possibility of a spot on the celebrity apprentice, a mainstream role in front of her in order to pursue a sexual relationship is something that is going to resonate with a lot of people.
this is a fairly classic story in a lot of ways. >> it is a lot like the harvey weinstein story. even though of course we're not saying he assaulted her or anything like that. but it's the same dynamic, using the power and the allurements. >> evelyn farkas, if you for your time tonight. i really appreciate it. just ahead, march for our lives rallies worldwide send a strong message about gun reform. will the massive turnout actually shift the gun conversation? plus. >> i am not here to defend donald trump. but my job is not to go after donald trump, and i'm not going to get distracted by focusing on him because i've got to focus on the people at home who are really frustrated and angry at washington. and they're frustrated that we seem to be so caught up in the chaos of the porn star that we're -- we're forgetting they can't afford to send their kids to college. >> we'll talk to senator claire mccaskill about that and why she says she doesn't care what the
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endangered democrats up for reelection in the mid terms this year, possibly the most endangered. when i sat down with her this week, she didn't just have tough words for president trump, but for hillary clinton and the national democratic party, too. i started by asking her about the president and whether or not she thinks he's a stable leader. >> the term stable is a loaded term where it makes me a little uncomfortable to go there. and keep in mind that my feet hit the ground every day, not figuring out how i can fight donald trump, but how i can fight for missourians. so, i see this as a duly elected president who i disagree with on many, many things and, frankly, disagree with his demeanor, disagree with how he conducts himself in terms of his personality. but at the end of the day, i've got to stay focused on those places where i can actually get something done for the people
that i represent. >> you're not willing to say that you think president trump is a stable leader? >> i don't think it's productive for me to go there. i'm just not going to do it. >> some of your republican colleagues tweeted this week after the president used mueller's name in a series of tweets. jeff flake saying, our only constitutional remedy is after the fact if mueller fires trump, through impeachment. do you agree if the president fires bob mueller, should he be impeached? >> i'm not going to prejudge facts that might occur in the future. but i will say this. i spent many years as a prosecutor and having traveled the world, i know that we are admired for our freedoms. we are admired for our military prowess. we are admired for our free economy. but we are really admired for our rule of law. and the notion this president seems to think that the attorney general is his lawyer and that somehow this should all be bent to his will and that loyalty should be expected, the only
thing the attorney general of the united states should be loyal to is the constitution, period, end of discussion. and so i do think it's a crisis that this president doesn't understand that bright line that has made our rule of law the envy of the world. >> do you think the president has followed the rule of law in connection with the instances where he may have offered payments to women or potentially threatened women, stormy daniels the adult film star says that she should be able to speak. do you think she should be able to tell her story? >> i think it all depends on the facts of the case and obviously that is going to be litigated now. if, in fact, there was a nondisclosure agreement that she entered into without any fraud or misrepresentation, you know, then it might be possible the courts would say she is bound by it. on the other hand, if there was misrepresentation or fraud or if the parties that signed the agreement weren't the parties
that are seeking to enforcement agreement, then i think those are issues for the courts. i am troubled that anybody who is in an important public position in our country has so many nondisclosure agreements evidently out there. >> you called on al franken to resign after that photo was posted of him groping a woman. do you think that president trump should resign based on the allegations against him? >> in fairness, kasie, i didn't call on him to resign after a photo. i called on him to resign after seven different women have come forward. >> more women have come forward on president trump. >> let me finish. some of which came forward about conduct that occurred after he had been on the ballot for united states senate. he had acknowledged some of his conduct and that's why i thought it was important, if we were going to have the high ground as it related to roy moore, then that obviously is important. i'm not sure all of this was
known to people when he was elected. unfortunately with president trump, a lot of this was out there before he was elected. a lot of this was known to the public that this is not a guy who had been faithful to his wife or respected women -- >> voters know it's okay? >> obviously they voted for him and you have to have respect for the voters here. i don't like how donald trump behaves. i particularly don't like his rhetoric towards women and how he has treated women and all these incidents trouble me a lot. but i am also very respectful of the voters. >> let's talk a little bit about your campaign, which is a tough one in missouri. there is an ad from your opponent, josh holly, that features the words of hillary clinton you endorsed in 2016. if you look at the map of united states, that's all the red in the middle where trump won. he's quoting hillary clinton who also said, so, i won the places
that are optimistic, diverse, and moving forward. were these comments from hillary clinton helpful to you? >> probably not. i understand the point she was trying to make. but it felt like she was criticizing missouri voters, and i would draw -- talking about drawing a line, i would draw a line there. i have great respect for missouri voters and there are a lot of reasons they voted for donald trump. some of which i completely understand. frustration is a powerful motivator. and if you've played by the rules and worked hard all your life and you're further behind this year than you were ten years ago, no wonder you want something completely different. so, i get that. so, no, it wasn't helpful. i think it was wrong how she put it. i think it certainly is being taken out of context, which, you know, but she knows things that you say are taken out of context. so, for those of us that are in states that trump won, we would really appreciate if she would
be more careful and show respect to every american voter and not just the ones who voted for her. >> do you think the national party understands what happe's on with your vote nerz missoursy are feeling so much pain? >> i don't know. i don't care. i could care less about what the national party is doing. aren't you worried about the national democratic party message? no, i'm not. i don't care what the national democratic party message is. i care about the fact that pharmaceutical companies have unbri unbridled greed that are totally ripping off missourians in terms of drug prices. they're getting wind falls from the tax bill. they're continuing to raise the prices of drugs. i care about the fact 61% of rural missourians have dial up broadband. you talk about creating jobs. there are a lot of things i care about and i'm going to talk about those.
but the national stuff, eh. >> don't care. senator elizabeth warren was critical of you for voting in favor of legislation to loosen restrictions on banks put in place by the dodd-frank law. what do you say back to her in response of that criticism? >> i think some of the criticism was just flat wrong and some of it was unfair. but you're talking to somebody who is not afraid to say i'm a moderate. i proudly claim that. i think we need more moderates around here because it's the moderates who get things done. you know, we can stand on opposite sides of the room and scream at each other, but it's like a sugar high. you don't really accomplish anything. it's the people who are willing to come to the middle and compromise on a bipartisan basis. i mean, that's how we've -- that's how we did the sex trafficking bill. that's how i got some things done for veterans that hadn't gotten done in decades. it's by talking to republicans, finding common ground, and actually moving the needle on things that help people in their lives. so, i am very comfortable that
we did nothing that will cause another economic crisis. i am very comfortable we did nothing that is capitulating to the big guys on wall street. i am very comfortable that we helped small community banks and credit unions survive and thrive, and that is good for the consumer. and so i would disagree with elizabeth warren, but i'm used to both sides of the equation hollering at me. i think i was the only senator in america at one point, i had the far left and the far-right both on tv against me at the same time. >> our thanks to senator claire mccaskill for that interview. michael steel, i thought it was a pretty revealing conversation. she is an incredibly difficult place in month. >> she's trying to straddle a stra straddle that can't be strategylestrateg straddled. she knows her state. she got elected in bush's second term on popularity. she was reelected in 2012.
this is a big ugly competitive race she's going to have. you know what's going to be tough, she knows it's going to be tough and she can't figure out how to play it to keep democratic enthusiasm high by being against the president, while also not alienating the moderates she's going to need to win that state. >> it seems like a functionally impossible task. it's kind of the reverse of what we saw with ryan costello who is essentially saying i can't possibly, the redistricting aside, he was still going to have a tough race in a suburban district. we'll hear a little more from him later in the show. he essentially says i can't possibly respond to all of the stuff about trump every day, but i can't attack him either. >> he's basically saying that forget what my party is saying. tax reform is not going to win us -- you know, keep the house for us. we have a president who says inopportune things at inopportune times, and in districts like his, you're right, redistricting really did not help him. but in these suburban districts where republicans said -- a lot of them, according to polling and according to what we've seen
anecdotally and fact based reporting, they held their nose and voted for a presidential candidate. yes, trump is off color sometimes, but he will cut our taxes, he will cut regulations. i think around the country in some of these suburban districts outside of cities in ohio and in new york. i just think that you will see this kind of revolt play out across the country. it's going to be tough for republicans to keep a lot of those districts. >> speaking of revolts, i want to turn -- no, but in seriousness, i want to turn to the hundreds of thousands of students and parents in americans who marched across the country yesterday to call for something to be done about gun violence in america. we sent our producer kendall bright man to ask this simple question. who are you marching for? >> i'm marching for parkland. >> i am marching for parkland. >> for the students at parkland. >> for stoneman douglas. >> the sandy hook kids. >> for my daughter mackenzie. >> for my daughter. >> for my daughter. >> for nimy nieces and nephews.
>> for my future. >> myself and my siblings. >> my daughter jordan and son lucas. >> my little brother. >> for kids like us who want change to happen. >> for change for all students and myself. >> for the lives of my grandchildren, my children and my own. >> i'm marching for our schools. >> i'm marching for all of the young people in this country. >> for my friends, my teachers, my fellow students, and every student around the country who wants to see change. >> i'm marching for myself. >> going to have more ton that coming up. my thanks to jake sherman and michael steel tonight. when we return, a man who stood elbow to elbow, nose to nose in consequential protests. congressman john lewis joins me live after the break. 99% of the suvs out there. it's very modern...sleek. maybe the most impressive part of the all-new traverse... is what's on the inside. (gasp!) surprise!
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we can to disturb the order of things. >> i represent the african-american women who are victims of gun violence, who are simply statistics instead of vibrant beautiful girls full of potential. people have said that i am too young to have these thoughts on my own. people have said that i am a tool of some nameless adult. it's not true. [ cheers and applause ] >> she's 11 years old. from one generation to the next, at marches across the country this weekend, for more on the significance of yesterday's march let's bring in civil rights leader and democratic georgia congressman john lewis. congressman lewis is also featured in the new nbc news documentary "hope & fury mlk the movement and the media" which heirs tonight at 9:00 p.m.
eastern right after we wrap up the second hour of "kasie d.c." congressman, thank you so much for being with us tonight. i so appreciate it. >> thank you for having me. >> congressman, we showed you speaking there at the march in your area, atlanta. what does this mean to you, what you saw yesterday? put it into perspective. you have a perspective that very few of us can match. >> well, what i saw yesterday took me back when i was much younger in 1955. i had heard of rosa parks, i had heard of martin luther king, jr. the words of rosa parks and dr. king inspired me. i was so inspired i wanted to find a way to get involved. so, i wrote dr. king a letter in 1957 when i was 17 years old,
and i met him in 1958 and i got involved. i started studying the way of peace, the way of love, studying the philosophy and the discipline of nonviolence. and then started getting involved in the sit-ins, going on the freedom rides and participating in marches. these children, these young people almost made me cry yesterday, and i think i was crying inside. there are so smart. they are so gifted. they are following in a very rich tradition, that when you see something that is not right, not fair, not just, you have a moral obligation to say something and do something. it will be these children, these young people that will lead us. they will help us get there. >> what is it about being young that affects how these children are perceiving the world? what do you remember? did you feel powerless and like you needed to push back against
the way the adults were doing things? i mean, what we've been hearing over and over again from these kids is that the adults, the system has failed them and they need to stand up. >> well, as a young child growing up, i saw the signs that said white men, colored men, white women, colored women. i kept asking my great grandparents, my grandparents, my mother and father, that's the way it is, don't get in the way, don't get in trouble. you're going to get in trouble. but rosa parks and dr. king inspired me to get in trouble, what i call good trouble, necessary trouble, and i've been getting in trouble ever since. and i think this generation of young people, these unbelievable children, are leading the way and they are going to take all of us to a better place and a better time. >> congressman, african-american
communities have been dealing with gun violence, sometimes not with the spotlight on it as much as what has happened in other instances. what do you think black and white americans can do to bridge the divide that has exploded in our politics over the course of the last few years with this president, but also in grappling with an issue in a way that speaks to all communities? >> i think it's important for black america and white america -- all america, hispanic, asian american and native american that we must come together and realize that we are all in the same boat. there was a man by the name of a. philip randolph who helped put together the march in washington in 1963. he would say from time to time, maybe our foremothers and forefathers all came to this great land in different ships, but we're all in the same boat
now. that is true today. the children, these innocent children are going to lead us there. they're going to help us get there. and with their teachers, the mothers and fathers and thes ane in the political arena need to listen to them. >> the anniversary of martin luther king junior's assassination is approaching. what do you think we should reflect upon on his legacy now? >> i think it's important for us to reflect on the role that dr. king played in getting us here. we must teach our children about the life and time of martin luther king junior. the signs that i saw when i was growing up, they are gone. they will not return. the only place we will see those signs would be in a book, in a museum, on a video. when people tell me nothing has
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he never went in, sheriffs deputy only armed guard on campus during a deadly shooting in high school, quote never went into the building when the shooting was taking place. that was according to sheriff israel of broward county who described how he felt as he watched the video of the deputy do absolutely nothing as the gunman killed 17 people. >> devastated. sick to my stomach. there are no words l i mean, these families lost their children. we lost coaches h i've been to the funerals. i've been to the homes where they sit and shiver. i've been to the vigils. it's just there are no words. >> well, that deputy scott peterson, he resigned today. the irony this news coming on the same day that president trump doubled down on his call to arm the nation's teachers as a way to combat mass shootings
in schools. >> i think a concealed permit for having teachers and letting people know there are people in the building with a gun, you won't have, in my opinion, you won't have these shootings. because these people with cowards. they won't walk into a school if 20% of the teachers have guns. it may be 10%. it may be 40%. and what i would recommend doing is the people that do carry, we give them a bonus. we give them a little bit of a bonus. so practically for free you have now made the school into a hardened target. >> well, let's think about that for a minute. there are roughly 3.5 million teachers in the united states today. that according to the department of education. 40% would mean 1.4 million teachers in this country would be armed under the president's plan. the idea sparked outrage immediately from stoneman douglas high school students to even republican senators. >> to arm every -- like to arm
any teacher, they are there to teach. >> we don't need to put guns in the hands of teachers. >> i don't believe teachers should be armed. i believe teachers should teach the notion my kids are dwog to school with teachers that are armed with a weapon is not something that quite frankly i'm comfortable with. >> i might say the same as a dad as well. well, even as trump proposes teachers carry weapons in the classroom, the president says that he opposed to preparing teachers and students with active shooter drills. >> active shooter drills is a very negative thing. i'll be honest with you. i mean if i'm a child and i'm ten years old and they say we are going to have an active shooter drill, i say what's that. people may come in and shoot you. i think that's a very negative thing to be talking about to be honest with you. >> let's go to martin savage, in parkland, florida with the breaking news on that sheriff's department. really, martin only armed officer on campus, never went into the building where the shooting was taking place.
what are you learning tonight about what happened? >> reporter: it's an additional horrific turn in the narrative, jim. and, remember, just a couple of days ago that these families who lost their children wrl told by the fbi that they had received a tip that they had failed to act on. now on top of that, they are being told there was an armed officer, the school resource officer, a trained veteran sheriffs deputy in uniform with aside arm standing outside the building where the shootings are taking place, and that officer, scott peterson, did not do anything according to scott israel which is broward county sheriff. they said they are launching an investigation. asked for his resignation. instead he is it resigning and going into retirement. but it is a horrible turn of events. questions have been raised about scott peterson eversince the shooting on campus especially for the families who had lost children. now it appears the time that he was waiting outside, the only
president did comments on twitter, that he believes will make schools safer. also heard him say he wants to get rid of though at the same time active shooter drills. how serious is he about that step? >> reporter: well, jim, there was certainly one stripping of consistent thought in the president's view on what should be done here. first, he voiced a lot of concern and ideas on social media. then again during a listening session with state and local officials. and one theme was to have more guns in schools. he said gun free zones in school, sign outside that says gun free zone is a welcome mat, if you will for shooters. sew said that school officials, coaches or teachers should be armed if they are prepared for that. he said not all of them, of course, will want to do it. but he talked about again and again about school teachers being armed. it's a deterrent. but we have all heard suicide by cop. this is what shooters do.
this if played out would be suicide by history teacher perhaps. it does not make a lot of sense to republicans in this town, democrats in this town who want to do something about this. but the president also was outlining a variety of different things. thing to keep an eye on, he said the age limit to buy these weapons he believes should go from 18 to 21. that is at odds with the nra. so that is one place he would potentially confront the nra it would be on that. but it was the teacher proposal the president talked about today again and again that certainly raised eyebrows at the white house. >> no question, jeff zeleny there at the white house. outfront let's ask teachers. sharon learner is teacher in stoneman douglas high school in parkland where the faculty and students were killed. and he's offering free concealed carry training to local teachers around the country. sarah, if i could begin with
you. you were in your classroom with stud ent students when shooting started at stoneman douglas. you lost two students. he heard the president to to be armed if you have aptitude, as he described t is thatit. is that a good idea? >> no, i have no desire to own a gun, shoot a gun, carry a gun, touch a gun. >> i don't think my coming to school with a gun would have changed anything. i wasn't in the building. i'm in building six, not building 12. so if i would have been on campus with a gun, there would have literally been nothing for me to do. >> now, i know you initially, as i understand it, you started leaving the building where you were, which as you said was a separate building. >> yes. >> when the gunman pulled the fire alarm. once you heard the shooting ran back into your class room hold up there for i understand for more than two hours along with
several of your students until s.w.a.t. arrived. >> yes. >> was there ever a moment in there had you had a gun you might have felt safer? >> no. no. because hi i -- i don't need to have a gun to keep my safe. i knew the s.w.a.t. team, fbi, broward sheriff's office, local offices were here securing the campus and keep me safe. that made me feel safe. if i had begun in my classroom with 15 students, i wouldn't have used it. i didn't see the shooter. i heard the shots when i went outside. but having a gun would do me no good. if anything, if i had a gun on campus, it would have been locked in my closet, and if somebody had come in the room, in the time it would take me to get my keys and open my closet i would would be dead. >> sheriff, i know you are no
stranger, you had experience, 15-year-old wounded four other students opening fire in cafeteria in one of your schools just last year. but i understand you agree with the president? >> i agree with the president. or let's say the president agrees with me. we had a school shooting. i have talked to teachers in the school where we had the school shooting. they would have liked to have a gun. we are not talking about everybody having a weapon. the teacher you have on here i can understand if you are not comfortable with a weapon and trained, i agree with her. but still the teachers are being shot. kids are being shot. within five minutes the shooting is over. 8 minutes the police are there. the only thing you can do is hide and wait. we have to train. teachers should be trained at least to see a gun, no what it looks like, sounds like, what to do. they should be trained in first aid. we arrested two yesterday one said they would beat the 17 number. one said they were going to do
shooting. the day after the shooting we arrested five just in our local area. that's just here not the whole united states. >> let me ask you this. we had a test case of this, did we not at parkland. because there was an armed school research, resource officer, sor as we know, trained uniformed guard, who didn't do anything. and listen i don't want to attack this one person too much. i spoke to a u.s. retired u.s. general tonight who commanded troops in iraq and said that reaction to violence is not uncommon. i mean, if the armed trained uniformed security guard at parkland didn't do it, why would we expect teachers like sarah or others to be that frontline responder? >> i wouldn't expect sarah to be a frontline responder. i would expect, when you have people like the officer there, just imagine if we had some teachers in the school that were certified and trained, we would at least have somebody in that school with a weapon.
>> but there was someone in the school with weapon. >> please. >> they didn't go in. >> we had an officer in our school with a weapon also. he was in the cafeteria. and when he waited for him and the principal to leave the cafeteria, then the kid jumped up and shot four people, emptied weapon out, 15 years old. you need backup in the schools. officers aren't always the answer. you need someone twout a weapon that can be trained. when people say -- >> go ahead. >> let's give sarah a chance because she's in the classroom. sarah, what do you think? >> sure. >> okay. so just for argument sake, sheriff, if i were to have a gun and carry it at school and this happened in the cafeteria where i am not, how am i helping? if someone comes into my classroom and i'm on the other side of the room not near ply gun, how is the gun going to
help keep me safe? he's going to shoot me before i can access my gun? >> sheriff, how do you answer that? >> you'll be shot anyway. you'll probably going to be shot anyway. students will be shot. only thing you can do is beg for your life or wait for the police to get there. you have people that are trained. >> so if i'm going to be shot anyway, then why do i need to car ka carry a gun? >> because you'll save the lives of other students. if you had the gun you wouldn't be shot. >> that doesn't make sense. that's not necessarily true, sir. >> we agree to disagree. >> we do agree to disagree. because i don't think that arming teachers -- >> one at a time, so the audience can follow. sheriff, go ahead, and then sarah, trust me i want to give me your due. but sheriff if you can complete your shot. >> okay. >> sure, i talked to a teacher in florida today who said she's okay with weapons in school.
she personally doesn't want a weapon. we have people that are trained with weapons before they become teachers and school boards have to approve the weapons in the school. and here in ohio i had 300 teachers sign up in less than eight hours that want to be trained in firearms and want to have guns. so when people say that they don't want guns, the teachers don't want to be armed, sure there are those. but just as many that wanted to be harmed and should be. >> let's give sarah a chance to respond. yes, sir. >> i believe the overwhelming majority of teachers do not want to be armed. and the president said that those of us who would be willing to be armed would get some kind of a bonus h i'm not even given adequate money to buy supplies for my classroom. but now if i choose to carry a gun, a gun will be provided for me and i'll be given a bonus? i would rather see all of that money go to having more security personnel on my campus. giving me more money in my
paycheck. i don't need a gun. give me the money instead. >> sarah and sheriff, we'll have to leave it there. but thank you. it's a difficult issue. you disagree on it but you gave each other time to make your points. >> sure. >> and i know on a topic like that that's tough. thank you to both of you. let's keep up the conversation. >> thaupnk you, guys. i appreciate it. >> up next, the nra out to blame everything but guns. >> prying white mott horse to you and many in the legacy media. plus breaking news in the russian investigation, new charges against manafort and gates, is mueller putting squeeze on them to make a deal. and father of a teenager killed just a week ago calls out senator marco rubio to his face. that father is my guest. insura- it was really easy. easy. that'd be nice.
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media, eager to blame the nra and call for even more government control. they hate the nra. >> outfront now is former adviser to the trump campaign, steve cortes and former clinton white house aide steve boy ton. if i can begin there with the argument folks supporting gun control, brings in the media as well, are somehow just pursuing anti-nra gaepd. do you think that's a fair argument with any discussion of gun control after a shooting like this? >> no, i think it's part of it. because i think it's telling how quickly people immediately and particularly people in politics and media how quickly they try to blame the nra for this tragedy. and in fact the nra has brn diligently working to try to prevent these kinds of tragedies through things like arming our schools properly. i believe and the nra believes it's outrageous in america that our priorities are so misplaced that we grd our money and our
jewels and office buildings with armed security but not our precious children. and that has to change. >> keith, that was a comparison the president made today about banks and others. and he even talked about gun free campuses being something like ice cream compared the students to ice cream. do you think the nra is doing as steve says it's best to protect area students. >> i think they are doing their best to protect nra and people continue to own guns and stockpile weapons. i don't think they are trying to protect the students. i don't think against. but that's not their my yort. priority is to their millions of members. the reality is president trump received money from the nra. rubio received money from nra. and nra is using influence to present those ideas to them and block any kind of legislation that would prove common sense gun reform that most americans
support. most americans support universal background checks, and banning bump stocks, support things like raising the age for owning these deadly weapons. but the nra won't allow members of congress on their side to do anything about it. >> steve, that's an issue where the president and nra, there is daylight between them. >> on the age, 18 and 21 president might support that on bump stock ban. can you see the president following through even in defiance of a powerful lobbying group like nra? >> yes. and the nra hasn't said what they believe about the age definition. but the president is willing to go up against nra in that case. when we talk about the nra some of the critics of the nra want to give it mythical status and how powerful and money it gives. >> it is pretty darn powerful. decks and republicans will run from a negative rating from the nra. >> this is my point. what it spends on political races is pittance compared to
what unions. what they do have millions of americans incredibly dedicated to gun rights and organization and tens of millions of people agree with them. vast majority of the people believe guns are fundamental right that the second amendment is real and it's an individual right. and almost all of them by the way own guns responsibly. now, can we find better ways to keep guns out of people's hands who shouldn't have them who are mentally unwell? of course. trump for that, nra is for that, i'm for that. in the meantime what makes sense is guard our children. why do we allow them to be sitting ducks when we know that sick and deranged people are purposely targeting them. >> keith, your response. >> best way to protect our people is not have armed guards in the schools. for god's sake, there is an armed security resource officer at the school in parkland, florida, he did nothing. this whole line -- >> that doesn't negate the argue mtd for having him. >> this whole line is baloney.
we saw it in las vegas. what was a good guy going to do to stop shooting of 600 people when the guy was in hotel room hundreds of feet away? >> that's totally separate issue. i'm talking about school shootings. >> what would happen in fort hood? >> i'm glad you mentioned this. >> let me finish. fort hood, the u.s. naval facility in washington d.c. >> yard. >> the naval yard. plenty of examples. yes i know they don't have weapons. everybody has weapons and facility. what you are going to say. >> no, they don't have weapons. >> plenty of examples where people have armed weapons, and they are still not able to stop a bad person with a gun. >> so how do you want to protect schools? >> way to do it, the way other countries do it, the way they don't have mass shootings, they don't have the access to guns that we do. they don't pal lou people who have mental issues to have access to guns. >> we don't here either.
>> young people to have access. they have universal background checks. they make sure we restrict certain guns so they are not in use. not everyone needs to have an a saultd weapon. >> steve, please respond. >> even if gun control were a good idea which i don't think at all it is, but let's say for sake of argument it is, there are already 10 million ar-15 in this country. 300 total million guns. that toothpaste is not going back in the tube. we still have a problem with school shootings and protect our school children even if i were to, grant you gun control. >> they did it in australia. >> do you think americans will give up their fundamental life? australia is different and thank goodness. >> very successful and they have had no mass shootings. >> i want to play. because this is a wider point that we heard nra c pack conference in washington. have a listen to the point she was making. >> many in legacy media love
mass shootings. you guys love it. now, i'm not saying that you love the tragedy. but i am saying that you love the ratings. crying white mothers are ratings gold to you and many in the legacy media in the back. >> steve, you have to admit we often see after shootings like this nra and others find many culprits other than guns, right, for the trouble and of course the media is a favorite target. is that a fair argument for her to make there? >> well, by the way, you can't blame guns. >> she's saying that we -- i've covered shootings before there is nothing enticing school shooting. i'm a dad. is that fair? >> i think her words were far too harsh. i don't believe people critical of the media believe love mass shootings. she is ton an important point though. which is i live in chicago.
in chicago, statistically we have a parkland body count, roughly every week in chicago. it's mostly young black men. and because they are killed one and two at a time and not this mass scene that we saw in awful scene in parkland doesn't get much attention in the national media. so i think she's onto something there. >> i don't think that's the point she's making there. first of all, most of these conservatives talk about the black crime taking place in chicago and other places. >> i sure do and i live there. >> actually listen to what black people were saying, majority of black people, 74% of black support federal registry of gun purchases. if you want to listen to what black people are saying about weapons, then listen to us, don't lecture to us from c pack conference. how dare she go there and say that. when the night before she was town hall in parkland and refused to say any of that.
what a cowardly thing to make those comments. just like wane lapeer, why didn't he go there, where is the courage in that. >> when you talk about an assault weapon ban supposedly cutting down on crime, so long guns are not preferred choice of criminals. >> you have to admit is different story. we'll have to leave it there. thanks. difficult target. outfront next, new indictments from the mueller probe, is mule tear ramping up pressure on campaign aides. plus. >> your comments this week and those of our president have been pathetically weak. >> the father who lost a daughter and stood up to senator marco rubio is my guest.
breaking news tonight in the russia investigation. special counsel robert mueller filing new charges just unsealed against former trump campaign chairman paul manafort and former trump campaign deputy chairman rick gates sign that mueller is applying new pressure on both of them possibly to have them reconsider working with the investigation h this new indictment includes 32 counts of tax and bank fraud, including a charge that the pair laundered more than $30 million in income. shimon is outfront. i know you've been reading through this indictment. a lot of counts there. what can you tell us? >> reporter: yes, very tangled facts in the indictment. the key here there are these new bank charges these two face. and the significant thing is they could land them in jail up
to 30 years which is significantly more time they faced in previous indictment. now as you said this could put pressure on the two to cooperate. this indictment is similar to some of the charges we saw in the first indictment where the two based on money the two were making on lobby work on pro russian leader of the ukraine. and new the two men according to the indictment pa ledge he hadly took this money and hide it from u.s. authorities. allegedly parked millions of dollars in unreported money in u.s. real estate as well as offshore bank accounts. and the indictment said they used new property as collateral to take out fraudulent bank loans. now these two charges mount pressure to perhaps cooperate. and cnn, as cnn has reported rick gates was in talks to cooperate. and the question now is will he still cooperate despite these new charges.
we are told they possibly could still strike a deal. but, you know, jim, there is every indication these new charges are effort to get manafort to flip as well. >> 30 years in prison, that is a lot of pressure. shimon, thanks very much. outfront now we have former u.s. assistant attorney kim wailly and former nixon counsel john dean. if i could start with you, manafort 18 new charges, gates 23 new charges, this is in virginia in addition to the charges they are already facing. manafort 70 years old, 30 years in prison, talking about dying in prison. gates is wronger but he's got kids. this is a significant amount of prosecutor pressure, is it not? >> absolutely. this has got to make these two men and their families and lawyers quake in their boots. really serious. and the level of specificity in this indictment. i mean, as a law professor it's actually in a way refreshing to
see so much focus on the facts. we have pages and pages of transactions. and corporations that money was hidden and all kinds of things that clearly demonstrate that this prosecutor is very serious about the kind of work that he's bringing to bear in this investigation. >> john, does it give you clues as to where the investigation is heading, apply pressure on gates and mueller to get higher up, including the president? is that what you read into this? >> i certainly do read that with the additional charges. but also in the indictment itself or actually in the status report i found in the docket today, that the special counsel says the reason he filed this additional indictment, the indictment in the eastern district is that one of the defendants refused to wave ive the district of columbia, that
any of the crimes occurred in the district of columbia, so they had a venue problem. so they have actually right now two indictments against them. one in the eastern district, this new 32 count indictment, and one the 12 count indictment is still standing in the dils tri district of columbia. so they created this em self a good nightmare. >> goodness. kim, cnn had reported gates had been in negotiations with mueller's office to strike a plea deal. you add these new charges, i imagine to try to resurrect plea bargains? >> or maybe ongoing. other thing interesting about this indictment that tells a story, it speaks of gates as manafort's quote right hand man. so it really paints a picture where they were side by side. manafort perhaps the boss. gates the henchman that's doing the bidding for many, many, many years, many, many, alleged
crimes. so there will be pressure i think on both of them. and certainly in gates does flip, it makes manafort in a particularly precarious position going forward. >> now, john, the president has been asked about the possibility of pardons. hasn't been particularly clear in his public comments. but here's what he has said in the past. >> i don't want to talk about pardons for michael flynn yet. we'll see what happens. >> that regarding michael flynn, well see, he's leaving the door open there. do the new charges impact what would happen if trump decided to pardon either of them? >> well, obviously, they are federal offenses so he could pardon both gates and manafort. however, there are offenses that occurred really unrelated to his campaign or his presidency. so these are -- this is bad behavior that predated that.
obviouslily found them in the course of the investigation. it was within the jurisdiction of the special counsel. and special counsel is obviously using it to try to learn more about the campaign. so, you know, it's an open playing field actually for the president what he wants to do. but i think heed have a lot of trouble justifying pardons for these offenses. >> and the list -- well, quick thought, kim, sorry. >> if i could jump in on pardon. a couple of things as was mentioned any state charges would not be pardoned. but the second thing is that, you know, pardon power is not unlimited. i think that's a bit of a mistaken belief. the president cannot, in my view, as constitutional law professor, pardon people for the wrong rooern. so you couldn't pardon someone to cover up for another crime. another thing the pardon power is crime specific. so even if he did pardon these two indictments at some point, it would not necessarily preclude robert mueller from bringing down additional charges
assuming he had the evidence. so it's a bit of a cat and mouse chasing gain pardon power. i don't think that's part of this panacea that will protect this president from this investigation. >> kim, john, thanks very much. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> outfront next, jaime guttenberg was killed in florida last week. tonight her father speaks out about what the white house is and is not doing about school shootings. and is trump's national security adviser on his way out? i'm here to fix the elevator. nothing's wrong with the elevator. right. but you want to fix it. right. so who sent you? new guy. what new guy? watson. my analysis of sensor and maintenance data indicates elevator 3 will malfunction in 2 days. there you go. you still need a pass. there you go. alright,
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hall with fred guttenberg. he lost his 14-year-old daughter jamie at the stoneman douglas high school. >> the comments this week and those of your president are pathetically weak. >> are guns a factor? >> of course they are. >> and they are la weapon of choice, can you say that? >> number one, fred, i absolutely believe that in this country, if you are 18 years of age you should not be able to buy a rifle and i'll support a law that will take that right away. >> fantastic. >> i think what you are asking about is assault weapons ban. >> yes, sir. >> so let me be honest with you about that one. if i believe that that law would have prevented this from happening i would support it. but i want to explain to you why it would not. >> outfront now is fred guttenberg. and, fred, as father i've been thinking about talking to you all day, and my heart truly goes out to you. you really put it on the line.
>> thank you. >> last night going head to head with the united states senator there. yet today we hear from marco rubio, florida senator. and the white house no ban. what's your reaction? >> frustration. just over a week ago today my daughter was hunted as school as were 16 other people. not only do we hear no discussion on a ban, we hear no discussion on anything productive. the reality is we have -- we have a public safety issue but certainly school safety issue. and everybody kind of runs to the bunker on positions. i don't have i have a position chblt i'm a dad and i want my kids to go to school be and safe. i've been thinking about this a week. i've been thinking about it all
day as i've been talking to people. and this is a complicated issue. you certainly have entrenched special interests, many of which have been kind of nasty, i can take it, but to the kids. and i this i we need to deal with it. i do think leadership, that would mean the president, that would mean the senate, that would mean the congress and the states, need to deal with this issue. and i think they have to -- maybe the mistake is everybody runs to their bunkers rather than someplace there is a solution. and the problem is you have incidents and you have casualtities. we need to address all the factors that lead to the incidents. and honestly, everything i've heard, i'm in total agreement with. there is human factors in terms of law enforcement. there are factors of law and what law enforcement can do.
there is mental health factors. but then there is the issue of casualties and injuries. and that's the issue that has to do with guns. and you can't eliminate any of those factors. they all need to be addressed. >> yeah. we learned just a short time ago that the armed school resource officer, they are known as sro, there was one on campus, he was suspended today because officials found he never entered the building during the shooting. what does that say to you about armed guards being part of the solution? >> well, you know what, and i'm glad you brought it up. that's the human factor. okay. and i thisnk that gets to the incidents part but also limiting casualties. i do think that maybe in the past we haven't put our best, when it comes to police, on school campuses. and maybe that's been a mistake.
and we need to relook at that. because i am all for enhancing security on school campuses. and maybe a campus of that size shouldn't just have one armed resource officer, not teachers, but security, who is a trained police officer, but should have more than one. and it shouldn't be somebody who has already kind of gone through their best police years, but maybe it should be the bad ast police officers who are going to take action and run in and not worry about the consequences to their public safety to save lives. and i apologize for my language, i just can't help it. >> hey, listen, i'm not going to quell for you for that what you've been through. the president today also brought up this issue that you often here after school shootings, active violence, that violence in video games is somehow partly responsible. video games, movies, for shaping young people's thoughts. do you think that that's -- in the scheme of causes, as you
said earlier, multiple causes behind this kind of thing, do you think that's a significant one? >> i'm not sure. i would say i don't know. i doubt it. it kind of sound silly on the surface to me. but that said, if there is it a component of that why we have all these incidents, then it should be looked at. on the surface it kind of seems silly. >> however, if that is part of the mental health discussion, then i want to have that conversation. i would love to see the people in this country, and i would love to be part of that, let the president call it, let him pull it together, let him do a real public safety session, where we bring all the professionals together to identify what are the real factors that lead to the incidents, and what are the steps we need to take to cut
down the casualties and injuries when the incidents happen. >> right. you know, fred, after last night's comments in the town hall, your comments that interaction made headlines not just in the u.s. but around the world. you could see them on the screen here. eight days ago as you were sending your daughter to school, i'm sure you never dreamed or had nightmares of being in a position like this. every desired to be in a position like this. >> you know, i spent my entire life with my children and my wife with a basic philosophy. and i always say to them in talking about what stress and hard times are, saying, when we wake up in the morning and those we love and care about are safe and healthy, it's the start of a good day. when we go to sleep at night, and those we love and care about are still safe and healthy, we have just finished a good day.
everything else in between is just stuff we need to deal with. in my wildest imagination, no, i never imagined that my daughter was going to be hunted at school. i never imagined that i would spend the rest of my life starting my day at a cemetery for my child who at the age of 14 truly had her life figured out. you know, this was not your typical kid. and now we talk about rights in relation to this discussion. all of my daughter's rights have been terminated. it's -- no, it's not something i ever manlimagined. off in the distance, and you can't see it, but i have my son waiting for me. my 17-year-old son.
i always thought i could protect my kids, and now i can't make him that promise. and now i have stoeto send him to school on tuesday. and i'm going to send it back, because my family, we're strong. and i, i insist that you face it. but i'm scared to death. >> yeah. listen, i'm heartbroken for you. and i know i'm not alone. folks here with me at cnn, but a lot of folks watching tonight are thinking of you and let me just share, let me just share those thoughts with you tonight. and i really do wish you the best. hug your son tonight. i'm sure you will. >> thank you. i really appreciate your time. >> "outfront" next, is the white house trying to find a new job for the national security adviser? it's easy to think that all money managers are pretty much the same. but while some push high commission investment products, fisher investments avoids them. some advisers have hidden and layered fees. fisher investments never does.
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chris cillizza, is "outfront" tonight. chris, the reports, trump and mcmaster, they haven't got along for months. we've heard those stories. what do you think is the behind-the-scenes story here? >> well, first of all, donald trump is hard on the furniture, to put it one way, which is just to say, he is very tough on staff. look at who he has run through in his year and a little bit in the white house, jim. and then we got a signal in regards to the russia investigation on saturday, general mcmaster was in germany. and basically said, it's hard to deny at this point that russia was behind this interference effort. well, trump then took to twitter to say, what mr. mcmaster forgot to say was this and this and this and this. so donald trump doesn't really like anyone who doesn't defend him, what he believes to be wholeheartedly. mcmaster got sideways on that. the one thing i would say, that works for general mcmaster, is
he's a general. we know donald trump, refers to him as my generals, knows him as john kelly, jim mattis, h.r. mcmaster. donald trump moves towards and likes and values the counsel of military men. >> well, we know that mcmaster is not the only white house official currently on thin ice. he's recently had issues with non-generals. his attorney general, jeff session, chief of staff, john kelly, secretary of state, rex tillerson, deputy attorney general, rod rosenstein, and now, of course, mcmaster. this seems to be par for the course. >> yeah, i mean, it is like an episode of "the apprentice," right? he brings all these people in. he swerves and you think he's going to fire this guy, but he fires this guy over here. this is donald trump's m.o. i always tell people, if you want some sense of how druonald trump views management and leadership, watch "the apprentice" and the "celebrity apprentice" for which he was, along with mark barnett, a
co-creator and producer of. he spars one against the other, cliff-hangers. he believe publicing calling people out is what gets them to give their best effort. i would suggest the past year would dispute that contention, but he clearly believes it. >> and he's even dismissed a former "apprentice" contestant, right, from his white house? >> fired three times and they just fired her a fourth, in the words of raj shah. >> chris zla-- cillizza, thank very much, and we'll be right back. it touches your tongue... and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum tum tum tum... smoothies... only from tums with advil's fast relief, you'll ask, "what pulled muscle?" "what headache?" nothing works faster to make pain a distant memory. advil liqui-gels and advil liqui-gels minis. what pain?
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share this video, got it out to a lot of people beyond we are, we appreciate your perspective and stay safe and wish you the best of luck as you recover from the flood. i want to move on to chris turner, cnn photo journalist, who lives in maryland not far from this area. i know that and this is video that chris actually shot not too long ago. chris, give me an idea of what you are seeing right now. >> right now, ryan, we are seeing a lot of the water has receded. a lot of the mud and debris leftover is laying over. we saw governor hogan walk down the steps through the mud to survey the damage. some of the residents are moving back towards the area. there was one area parking lot that i did take pictures of where the floodwaters were up to the roofs of cars and now just mud. but people are making their way through the mud kind of trying to assess the damage of what just happened.
>> i see in that one bit of video that you shot it looks as though the pavement is just ripped apart creating a huge hole. we see cars being tossed and. that's that video there. that is pretty remarkable. i mean, i know you live in this area. have you ever seen anything like this before? >> you know, i remember in 2016 when the flood happened. my wife and kids were -- and i were, going to eat lunch here and decided against it for some reason and then next thing you know it was flooding. we have seen the video of the floods of 2016. i have rarely seen anything like that. i know that road that was washed away is an access point at the top of the hill coming down into the bottom of historic downtown ellicott city and that's going to take some definitely long time to repair. there's a tree that was cracking as it was -- the soil eroding and falling in.
it was very, very eerie to watch that happening. >> i can only imagine. and you -- i know you told our producers you smelled gas at one point. i would imagine there's more than concern about the water damage when you have something like this happen. >> there's a multitude of concerns here. there's mud damage. there's, you know, you never know what's underneath but this water's pushing a car swiftly down the street so you never know what that car hit, what that water's done inside homes. there was a smell of gas. they did ask us to back off and now let us back towards the scene of all this destruction. and hopefully, you know, this beautiful, quaint little downtown can get back to normal soon. >> yeah. chris turner, just one small example of cnn photojournalists that rush to danger when everybody else is rushing out, thank you for bringing us the incredible pictures. please stay safe. and we'll check back with you in a little bit.
now the full scope of exactly when's happening there by bringing in meteorologist tom seder with experience covering the weather in the washington, d.c. and baltimore areas. tom, what should we expect? are residents there through the worst of it? >> well, ryan, we have got good news and bad news. this is bad enough. the third round of thunderstorms moving in have really weakened so therefore the water's receding but the river has risen almost 18 feet in 2 hours setting an all-time record crest. unbelievable. focus on just the eastern and southeastern u.s. we have been stuck in a pattern for three weeks now where there's a stationary boundary across washington and baltimore, spreading back to the midwest. so the southeast is hitting -- seeing thunderstorms, ground's satch waite saturated and alberto. that is nuance storm. we need to watch it because the
moisture is lifting northward boo this area this week but if you follow the thunderstorms and the lightning strikes, round one and two and three. one, two on the same area. we call it training riding right on the front call area. this is the third one that's dying out. national weather service, believe it or not saying we thought sure six, seven, eight inches, they're saying 6 to 12 inches of rain fallen. that's like a freak of nature and water rescues, highway 29 in columbia. you've got ellicott city, an emergency warning extended to 10:30 and for howard county, you head into east central frederick county and maryland, anyone along the banks of the petasco river to get to the highest ground they can. ten inches of rain. this fell in a short amount of time and what's really staggering here is this is the
water gauge. in two hours, above the record which was 23.6 feet. hits 24.13. that's almost a 18-foot rise in 2 hours. therefore, an all-time record. but the rain is lightening up. we have to watch the precipitation shield up to the north from alberto. anything can had buts. a freak of nature. six to 12 inches, almost unheard of. >> the gauges fall in line with what kali told us, she said a dry street and within a half an hour, a raging, powerful river. absolutely incredible pictures out of maryland. tom, thank you for that. we'll continue to follow the breaking news. we'll be right back. your company is constantly evolving.
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he is expected to be there for a few days for observation but a spokesman said he is awake an alert and not in discomfort. you may recall that last month the 93-year-old has to be hospitalized for a blood infection. just a day after the funeral for his wife former first lady barbara bush n. an e-mail to friends and family, the former president's chief of staff struck a more reassuring tone saying, quote, i guess he partied too hard with the american legion yesterday. darn it. also tonight, rudy giuliani uncensored. the president's attorney suggesting in a new interview with cnn there's a strategy to undermine the work the special counsel is doing. and it has to do with all those conspiracies about the fbi spying on the trump campaign. take a listen. >> they're giving us the material. i couldn't do it if they didn't have the material. they're giving us the material to do it. of course we have to do it in defending the president. we're defending to a large
extent, remember, dana, we're defending -- it is for public opinion because eventually the decision here is going to be impeach/not impeach. members of congress republican and democrat will be informed a lot by the constituent and the jury as it should be is the american people. >> impeach or not impeach. boris sanchez at the white house, despite the apparent pr strategy against mueller, he says he wants to do an interview with him. >> reporter: surprising considering the string of attacks of president trump and the surrogates aiming to discredit the special counsel. today the president referred to it as a witch hunt and referred to russia's actions in the 2016 election as so-called meddling depyett the fact that there have been more than 20 indictments in that probe including to some dozen or so russians who have been indicted for meddling in the 2016 election. it is surprising, also notable,
that giuliani claimed that this investigation would already be over if the president didn't have this adamant stance he wants to meet with robert mueller one on one. listen to this exchange with dana bash on "state of the union." >> well, if he wasn't thinking about it and it wasn't an active possibility we would be finished with that and moving on to getting the investigation over another way. he is adamant in wanting to do it. we are -- the president, but we're more convinced as we see it's a rigged investigation. now we have this whole new spygate thing thrown on top of it, already very legitimate questions. >> reporter: and, ryan, one more note. the president tweeting about the russia investigation over the weekend, including one sort of curious tweet he sent out this morning referring the young and beautiful lives that have been destroyed by the russia investigation. unclear exactly who he means. i reached out to some folks in
the white house press team to try to get some clarity on this. is he talking about george papadopoulos or michael flynn or other figures in the campaign that pled guilty to serious crimes? no response from the white house, ryan. >> boris sanchez at the white house, thank you. coming up, the panel weighs in on rudy giuliani admissions and hawaii on high alert. lava reaching 2,000 acres. we are live on the big island.
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president talking about and not talking about with special counsel robert mueller. listen. >> if mueller -- everything can be worked out then they would probably limit it to collusion and obstruction. the collusion part, we're pretty comfortable with because there's been none. the obstruction part i'm not as comfortable with. the president is fine with it. he's innocent. >> all right. let's bring in the panel to discuss this. joining us from kentucky, cnn political commentator and former special assistant to president george w. bush scott jennings. and in our nation's capital, the deputy managing editor kelly jane torrens. isn't that a target knowing what the lawyers are uncomfortable about talking about him with? >> yeah. you know, ryan, i have to say i take a little bit of a contrarian stance on rudy giuliani. i know a lot of people in washington think, you know, he's
what's going on with him? little crazy. saying this and that. goes on the shows, says too much but i think the most telling thing he said in this interview today on cnn was talking about not making trump the victim. now, trump himself with his tweets constantly tries to make himself the victim of robert mueller's investigation. but rudy giuliani said that he doesn't want to talk about trump firing someone because that would make trump look like a victim and that was the problem with richard nixon. once you look like a victim of this you're a victim because you didn't something wrong and so rudy giuliani's the first lawyer of donald trump's that's really heavily gone on the offense. it is controversial tactic but the other tactics didn't work very well and perhaps this one will. >> going on the offense means attempting at least in some respect to undermine the credibility of the mueller investigation and, scott, a poll found 39% of republicans think trump should testify with robert
mueller. that's down from 54% in march. i mean, how much do you think that president trump's decision to either sit or not sit for an interview could impact republicans in the midterm elections? >> well, i think republicans by and large believe this investigation has gone on too long. they do want to see it concluded and they do want to know if russia meddled in the election but i think republicans think the president is unfairly targeted. i think what rudy and company are doing right now, though, is basically what the clinton white house did in the 1990s. you brought up some polling. what the clinton white house successfully able to do is target the special counsel, the people around ken starr, make it seem like they were unfairly treated. bill clinton's poll numbers went up and up and up. people lost faith in the special counsel and they knew what rudy knows, unlikely to indict a sitting president and aimed at the only political resolution, impeachment in the court of public opinion.
the way i see it, bill clinton's vast right wing conspiracy is donald trump's deep state. they're running essentially the same playbook. >> very similar. there is evidence, kelly jane, it's already working. the same poll finds 44% of people agree with the way that mueller is handling the investigation down from 48% in march. is this the proof that the president's attacks and what rudy giuliani is talking about essentially this political pr campaign that it's working? >> i think it is because let's face it. we don't actually know very much about how robert mueller is handling this probe. he does not go on the air. he is not tweeting. he is keeping very quiet. there have been some leaks but it seems to me that the leaks came from people who have been interviewed by robert mueller or people connected to them. not people on the team itself. and so, i think this pr tactic is working because robert muler is keeping very -- we don't know what information he has. and that's why we can't make a
prior judgment about whether his investigation is, you know, fair or not until we see what his evidence and when he presents it but i think, yes, the pr strategy -- that to me says it is working and i have to say this whole new stuff of spygate, that has nothing to do with robert mueller's probe. that was the fbi listening before robert mueller came on before donald trump was elected. but they're successfully connecting those things in the public's mind and i think you're right, ryan. poll numbers show it having affect. >> the average american is not watching every machinations of this investigation and compare ones a the effect to another. they lump it altogether. that's part of the effectiveness of throwing spygate out there and connecting to robert mueller and doesn't necessarily add up. scott, to that end, you know, ultimately if robert mueller has the goods on donald trump that may still convince the president to fire him or rod rosenstein and there are many republicans
who at least behind the scenes that are talking about being concerned about that and only one of them talking about it publicly and that's senator jeff flake. listen to what he said this morning. >> behind the scenes there is a lot of alarm. there's concern that the president is laying the groundwork to move on bob mueller or rosenstein. and if that were to happen, obviously, that would cause a constitutional crisis. there is concern behind the scenes. i've been concerned that we haven't spoken up loudly enough and told the president you simply can't go there. and he's obviously probing the edges as much as he can. >> right. >> to see how far congress will go. and we've got to push back harder than we have. >> scott, i've heard you many times and the best thing for the president to is allow the investigation to go forward. do you think republicans in congress should actually codify that in law, protect robert
mueller's investigation with a piece of legislation? >> no, i don't. i don't think it's necessary because i don't think the president's going to fire anybody. i think they're going to let the investigation go forward. we have essentially been having the same conversation now for months an months. will we wake up tomorrow and find that donald trump fired somebody? it's never happened. i think many -- >> he has -- scott, scott, he has fired some people. he did fire the fbi director james comey. he is not above not firing people. >> remember when he said he wouldn't fire rex tillerson and then did a few months later? >> he wasn't conducting an investigation boo the presideint and have senior officials warning the president. that's a bad idea at the doj. the best course of action to get it over with. i think firing people would prolong it, getting it over with, getting the information out there and then seeing what you have to deal with at that point, that is the way to expedite this. i think firing people prolongs it and then your political head
aches. >> why is it republicans in the congress reluctant to take that step of passing a law in. >> i think part of it is -- some of them, you have ben sass not a trump nfan and he thinks the president does have the right to hire and fire people in the executive branch. that doesn't mean that he thinks it's a good idea that trump should or should not do this. that doesn't mean he thinks it wouldn't be on junction of justice. there's the question for republicans, is it going against how the constitution and how the executive branch works in this country? surprisingly i think some republicans are thinking more long term and big picture rather than just this presidency. >> quickly, scott, i want you to react to this tweet from the president not too long ago. he said, why didn't president obama do something about the so-called russian meddling when he was told about it by the fbi
before the election? this seems to indicate that the president still is unwilling to concede that russia meddled in the 2016 election. isn't that a problem? >> well, i don't know. the administration and several people in washington have all conceded. reports and committees and other people, the intelligence community, have all said the russians meddled. i think what the president's getting at there is this. this happened on barack obama's watch. he said he had more flexibility. didn't enforce the red line in syria and i think the point is no wonder they tried to meddle in the election. they knew we were weak at the time. unexplored territory and matters to people if mueller finds the russians meddled and collusion, unwilling, there's people saying out there, wait a minute. why didn't the previous administration put a stop to this if they knew about it? we know they knew about it because they admitted they know. >> all right. excellent conversation as always. scott and kelly jane, thank you for joining me. coming up, a new sign that
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paula hancocks is in seoul, south korea. paula, there's a lot of advance work for a summit nobody can say will definitely happen. >> reporter: well, that's right, ryan. and that gives us an indication it could well happen june 12th. we heard the u.s. president say that's a favored date. this delegation in the north korea at the moment an interesting one because it's headed up by a delegation or the delegation's headed up by the ambassador to the philippines. he was the ambassador here in south korea and negotiated in the past with north korea and he understands north korea better than most and understands the pitfalls and the difficulties in trying to negotiate with pyongyang. and at the same time we also know that there is a u.s. delegation in singapore or on its way and they will be looking at the more logistical side of it. the site surveys for the potential summitment all intents and purposes it looks like the summit is going ahead.
we heard from the south korean president moon jae-in on sunday, as well, talking about his surprise meeting with kim jong-un on saturday saying that he hopes the summit goes smoothly, not if but when, and an indication of kim jong-un looking for from mr. trump saying that he's looking for guarantees of regime survival. that is his all through president moon, not directly from kim jong-un himself and saying that he thinks there's economic benefits of north korea and said to mr. kim and said that he has to sit down next to mr. trump face to face to that he can have the guarantees given to him by the u.s. president. we've heard the u.s. president say this before saying he does guarantee kim's regem survival, says he will be safe, happy, his country will be rich. ryan? >> paula, president trump despite cancelling the summit seems optimistic it will happen. do south korean officials and the korean people share that
optimism? >> reporter: absolutely. the president of south korea wants this to happen. he staked his credibility on this dialogue. he is the driving force behind this. the people of south korea for the majority of them they would like to see it go ahead or at least they approve of what president moon's doing. the approval rating near 80% give and take a few percentage points depending on which you one you look at. that's incredible approval rating showing they like what he is doing. ryan? >> all right. paula hancocks live in seoul for us, thank you very much. coming up, lava from the kilauea voluntarily ka th kilauea volcano is so widespread it's visible from space. we'll get a live update. he's saying he's gonna score a bunch of three-pointers on you. yeah, we ball til we fall. there are multiples on the table: one is cash, three are fha, one is va. so what can you do? she's saying a whole lotta people want to buy this house. but you got this! rocket mortgage by quicken loans makes the complex simple.
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the situation on hawaii's big island is getting more dire by the minute. about two hours ago we learned of a new fissure in the estates. it is not threatening any structures yet. another fissure doubled in size in the last 24 hours. another spewing lava more than 100 feet in the air. officials say the eruption is vigorous right now and cuts off neighborhoods and consumes homes. the molten rock destroyed 4 miles. we are in the fourth week of this nightmare. just seems to be getting worse. miguel, what are you seeing right now? >> reporter: yeah. 24 fissures right now and it is getting worse.
a voluntaricanologist said it'sa bit of lava that's capable. this i believe this is fissure 22. it is just become active again and started to mountain out that lava. this is fairly small by some of them that we have seen and growing. now it's looking ten to 15 feet out there and that live camera we have had up digitally for a couple of weeks we have moved it and if you look at that camera now that i believe is fissure 16 to see from here. keep in mind, everything that you are looking at now two weeks ago that was form land. it was all green. it was cows out to pasture. it was perfectly lovely and now it is complete lava field. several dozen feet now of lava if not hundreds of feet of lava in that area. this is becoming very active, as well. one of the biggest problems that people here will face in the
next 24, 48 hours, the trade winds that typically flow from the north to the southwest basically of the island. they're going to change directions and start blowing north and east and that will hit communities like puna and possibly hilo. much bigger populations and the young people, the older people, anybody with breathing problems could have a serious issue. a lot of sulfur dioxide in the air and just causes everything from hoiks to nausea to a bad throat to just about everything you can imagine so it could be a real problem for people in the days ahead. >> miguel, if kilauea outright erupts is there an indication of how big it could be? >> reporter: what they're modeling right now is 1924. that's the last time it erupted in a large manner and what they're seeing is the crater inside kilauea has expanded from 12 acres to 90 acres.
as that soil falls in, the summit itself shrunk and thinking it could be like a 1924 level which was ash for about two weeks. 20,000 feet in the air. ryan? >> wow. incredible. miguel marquez, you and your team stay safe. next, in the midst of a volatile time in american politics, cnn looks back at a tumultuous year that changed this country forever. a preview of the new original original series event "1968" next.
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tour turmoil, tragedy and trump. looking back at the year that changed american history forever. marked by contentious presidential election and a raging vietnam war and the assassinations of martin luther king junior and robert f. kennedy. >> my father really focused on the people in this country. his appeal was to the most disenfranchised. people from harlem, oakland and farm workers. very similar to martin luther king focussing on the poor and working people. >> in the aftermath of dr. king's assassination, it's scott king to make the notation change was needed now. >> my husband always said if anything happened to him, to carry on his work for his
people. >> she was always an activist. before martin was an activist and she continued to be outspoken in order to make the point that you can kill my husband but this movement is going to go on. >> cnn's anna cabrera sat down with three special guests to learn more about tonight's episode. >> let me start with you, with all of the upheaval we talk about in today's politics, american culture. we think about 1968 and really, it's no comparison, is it? >> no, i mean, we live in anxious times now but 1968 was a time of upheaval, just remember some of the horrific events of the time. dr. martin luther king junior is assassinat assassinated. robert kennedy is assassinated. the country is divided and against a war in far off vietnam. the democratic party is imploding. there is a sense of tension and
there is a violence in the streets and unrest in the streets. 1968 was a time when america was tearing itself apart and no one knew what would come next. >> let me ask you about the youth movement. you've written a lot about this and the massive protest in 1968. do you see connections between those demonstrations then and what we're seeing today with the youth movement, particularly when you look at the call to action on gun reform following these school shootings? >> absolutely. i mean, right now we're seeing the first mass student movement since 1968 and the high schoolers now in '68 in the late 60s was mostly college but high school was also really involved in opposing the war and millions and millions of students were taking to the streets and it's important to remember back then 27 million young american men were eligible for the draft. and so it galvanized the entire
country. we're seeing that. to a smaller extent but in a similar way now today and i really think '68 was a blueprint for the student movement. >> david, i want to ask you about the politics, specifically the presidential race of 1968. it was interesting to say the least. you've worked on some pretty contentious presidential elections in your time advising president obama in 2008 and 2012. how do these recent elections compare to the race in '68? >> well, '68 was an astonishing race. you had an incoumbent president beaten and shocked the nation withdrawing from his race for reelection. you had the emerging of robert kennedy as a candidate. i believe robert kennedy would be elected in 1968 and he was assassinated, he would have lived through that. i remember that with great sadness and you have a race
between a very damaged vice president hubert humphry who emerged as the democratic nominee and was carrying lyndon johnson's water into that race. you had richard nixon and let us not forget george wallace. george wallace, the segregationist governor of alabama who ran as a third parody candidate and by the way, you talk about were there roots of today's. look at george wallace and donald trump and look at the themes and thoughts. >> provocative. pioneered themes familiar with people today. >> to find out, no one is above the law. >> richard neixon campaign engages in the 1968 campaign,
which is it establishes contact with the government and encourages the government to obstruct a u.s. diplomatic effort to end the war in vietnam and they are doing this because they know that hubert humphry, who is inching closer and closer to richard nixon in the polls might win the election if the democrats are viewed as the party of peace so richard nixon actually obstructs through a u.s. attempt to try to end the war. >> that was before watergate. >> well, that lays the ground. >> yeah. >> because nixon comes into office with a big secret. >> lbj knew about this and didn't want to effect the election. >> yes, that's a big -- >> sounds familiar. lbj goes to humphry and says this is for the election. if you want to use this information, you can. hubert humphry says no, i won't. >> talk about the assassinations of martin luther king junior and
bobby kennedy. so we have a civil rights icon, a social justice icon being killed. >> i think it was so profoundly devastating for everybody in the country who cared about those two men and it also ultimately disenfranchised many of the youth of america who held up so much hope with both of those men. >> david, you were one of those young people in 1968 as a teenager, you say the events of that year really had an impact on you in the career path you pursued. >> well, look, i can't -- it's hard to describe what it was like to be a young teenager in that time and, you know, i came of age in the kennedy era. i'm an idealest still and believe in the idealism the kennedys stand for and there was a feeling that something bigger
than one person had died with robert kennedy and i remember being hoing home alone and seei bulletin martin luther king was killed and seeing the haunting tape of him talking the night before how he might not get to the promise land but as a people, we'll get to the promise land. i remember getting up and putting the chain on the door in my apartment in new york city, just out of a sense of dread and fear and of what might come next. it was a really, really dramatically haunting time. so just to harken back to your initial theme, you know, we live in times now but nothing like this. it really felt like a coming apart of our country and as a young man, i felt that profoundly. >> david axelrod, thank you-all for joining us. >> thank you. the cnn original series
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collar professional, think of john kasich, congressman from this district. that strain of republican used to be the heart of this district. in 2016, what we saw happen with donald trump on the scene, franklin county it was dead even when it was obama versus romney. the flip side is when you get outside of franklin, outside of the wealthy suburbs of delaware and into the blue counties of rural. you saw some of the biggest swings in the country from romney in '12 who did terribly from trump in 2016. obama carried the muskingum
in michigan. muslim american public health official is running the democratic primary for governor. the front runner in the race, the state former senate minority leader has been endorsed by emily's list and like every contest, today's elections stand in the shadow of 2016 election and the man who became president and the wreckage he associates himself with. his fixer michael cohen is under investigation for tax fraud for underreporting income. subpoenaed mr. cohen's former
accountant back in april before the raids happen. in the trial of paul manafort, sat through hours of testimony from his former business associate rick gates, a former trump campaign deputy chairman. he said he and manafort together engaged in for years. for instance hiding bank accounts in cyprus. falsifying documents and much more. gate's testimony has portrayed basically a criminal enterprise. and gates described manafort as a man who went broke. gates also has established conditions under which paul manafort who a few months after financial distress would have been extremely vulnerable in
becoming an asset while he was acting as a volunteer campaign manager. for more on the saga. joined by ken dilanian who has been covering the trial and rebecca davis o'bryan. ken, i will start with you. we got the first big cross. what happened when manafort's lawyers got their cross. >> we didn't have any perry mason moments. i think they did do him some damage. we wasn't a great witness on cross examination. and he started out poorly by coming to grips with the fact that he lied to the fbi. dancing around the questions when manafort's lawyers was
asking him whiether he lied to the special counsel. and it went downhill from there. gates has admitted embezzling money from manafort's operation. he couldn't say how much he took. there were all these wire transfers that he testified to. some he said were legitimate bonuses. and it allowed manafort's lawyers, for all they know he embezzled millions of dollars. the prosecution used gates to walk through a series of documents. saying don't just take his word for it. here are the documents, here are the e-mails, the tax records that show both men are involved, evidence strong that they were involved in tax fraud, bank
fraud, under stating income. all of these overseas accounts that he was supposed to report and didn't. and when he was broke in 2016, more concerned about generating loans and then overstating the income from the business. and testimony that manafort took a microsoft word document and manipulated it. >> he had liability on some loans that were $650,000 or something and comes in and he has got the liability on it and puts the value or the income and makes it $3.5 million. my understanding is that basically you have this thing when they are making a lot of money they are trying to reduce tax liability and lying to undershoot. and when they want to get collateral, they are lying to overshoot sometimes on the same stuff. >> it is incredible.
it is incredible that paul manafort earned $60 million and spent it all. and paul manafort couldn't get clients after his sugar daddy from ukraine fled to russia. >> one person, the nominee who would go on to be president of the united states. ken dilanian, thank you for that. rebecca, i want to turn to your piece. what did we learn about how prosecutors are treating the president's lawyers. >> thank you for have been me. my colleagues and i reported on latest development in the investigation into michael cohen's personal business and work on behalf of trump. prosecutors appear to be looking
into potential tax fraud charges related specifically to at least under reporting or potential under reporting of his taxi m medallion business. >> a business fair to characterize as often operating in marginal gray areas of the law and a cash heavy business that would be susceptible. >> an interesting business because the value of the medallion fell in the last few years because of other ride sharing services. loans that were related to his taxi medallion business. we are learning also possibility
that he underreported his income as a tax evasion scheme. >> final question on this. this is all being run in the southern district in new york. not mueller's team looking into this. >> correct. prosecutors out of manhattan. >> thank you very much. >> thank you. >> for more i am joined by editor of the legal blog above the law. and jill wine-banks. >> you got shiraz, popcorn watching the trial. established narrative is that this has nothing to do with trump, manafort is out on his own, it is all about tax evasion.
>> what we saw today establishes the motive and opportunity for manafort to collude with the russians. he had motive and is broke. from the collusion standpoint, that is what i saw today. and the other thing i saw today and people need to understand this, it is unprecedented for a president's campaign manager to be this deep into as you put it a massive scheme for tax fraud. this guy is like wesley snipes with his taxes and trump hasn't said about it. >> what did he say? he is getting the raw deal. >> his campaign was managed by blade. they are mistreating him so badly. paul manafort was exposed during the trial of being a massive tax from a you had a-- fraud and he ran the president's campaign. >> jill, i was thinking about this idea of the fish rots from
the head or culture of corruption. one of the things that preceded watergate or preceded watergate bringing down nixon, was like oh by the way, vis presidece presi getting bags of cash. in the case of nixon, you have this corrupt president, and it says something about the kinds of people the president selects. >> as they say, birds of a feather flock together and the same thing that happened in the nixon administration where you had a lot of cash flowing overflowing saves in the white house. and the same thing is happening here, you have cohen, gates, and manafort all underreporting
income. and the person that is missing from the list is donald trump. and that is because we haven't seen his tax returns. we know he has been in bankruptcy. and he was getting money from overseas. >> i should note there, michael cohen is being investigated for this he has not been charged with anything and that is not true of paul manafort who is on trial for this. and rick gates who admitted to doing it today. >> how we live in a world where the president's closest are under investigation for tax fraud and we still haven't seen his taxes. >> this question i have, paul manafort was able to get away with this for years. he was seen as a sketchy guy and in fact even in the opening
statements, how come the irs never got to him and how guilty can he be. >> people can get a lot. one of the lessons of paul manafort if he is found guilty. >> especially when you have a loyal deputy. his defense besides the fact that everybody does this is that i didn't do this, gates did this. a lot of the documents they have are signed by rick gates and that is why they have to bring him on the stand and expose him to the kind of cross examination. ken dilanian said it didn't bring a lot -- >> rick gates has not had a great few days. up there basically, i am a serial criminal and defrauded the government but also defrauded my boss, and maybe i
defrauded the inaugural committee because i like to file false claims. >> the good news for the prosecution is there are documents. it is not just rick gates' word. the documents prove that expenses exceeded the income and prove he had 60 million in in c -- income. we have to keep that in mind that the jury will get at that. >> it is crazy. everybody should keep in mind the picture of desperation distress the prosecutor has painted. thank you both. much more coverage on this election night ahead. you see the ticker in the lower part of the screen. steve kornacki, you know him, you love him. love seeing him at the big
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primaries. one of those primaries are here in new york. critiquing cuomo from his left for a number of issues. i had a chance of speaking to cuomo today. >> governor let's start with the nra. your insurance department here in new york state canceled a form of insurance the nra offers. now being sued by them saying essentially this is discrimination. what is your response? >> my response is it is a frivolous lawsuit. but they are right, i toodon't e their politics. first on the lawsuit itself. state regulates insurance. this state has a very clear law that says you cannot ensure someone for an intentional bad
act. their insurance policy, what they were selling was called carry guard. a policy designed for people who carried weapons and ensured them for an intentional bad act and that violates the law in the state of new york. we brought an action against the insurance carrier. and they paid a fine and they are not selling the product. the nra was the broker for the product. and claiming a loss of revenue because the insurance policy was canceled. i have no sympathy for a party doing something illegal. we stopped the illegal act and they lose revenue. if i have a kid who is selling drugs and lost revenue. i am a political opponent for
the nra. and i have been for many years and my father before me. i believe they are the main political force that is stopping common sense gun reform. i believe they are the reason why republicans will not agree to reforms that 90% of the american people want. they bully. they are extortionist and i believe they are stopping progress in this country on an issue that is literally killing people. >> the last time i had you on this program, we were down on the border, your state had taken action and i want to ask you a broader question on i.c.e. your primary opponent cynthia nixon and senator, do you favor that position?
>> well, look, what has happened is the president has politicized i.c.e. i.c.e. as a police force their intent, their founding mission was right. which was to fight terrorism. we want a police force that fights terrorism. we don't want what we have in i.c.e. which is a politicized police force which is doing the president's political bidding and that is really the problem. we don't want him polite sizing i.c.e., the fbi, and the u.s. marshals. we need a police force that fights terrorism, but that is not what this police force is doing under this president because he has politicized it. and we don't want him doing it to i.c.e. or any federal police
force. you are supposed to keep your politics away from law enforcement and that's the violation of this president. >> when we last talked, we talked about the border, there are ways in which the state and local authorities interact with federal immigration officials and immigration enforcement. are there ways in which the state interacts with i.c.e. that you are considering in sharing contracts or anything like that. >> i will do nothing cooperatively with i.c.e. i have sent them letter asking for investigation. i have said if they do any criminal acts which a police force can do, we will take criminal action against i.c.e. i believe they are politically motivated. >> final questions. there is a lot of competitive congressional races in your state and the state that i am
in. a "new york times" article in which candidates can be on multiple lines. the independent party here is a party in new york. you accepted their line and fear from some democrats that might pull votes away from straight ticket voting in those competitive races. and is that a concern of yours, a legitimate fear that accepting that line of the independent party hurts democratic party in congressional races? >> no. that is called fusion voting. and in a perfect world, you wouldn't have it. but it is the reality of new york. democrats often run on several lines as do republicans. i believe they are in real trouble in this state and across
the country. worse in this state because the republican congressional people took votes that were adverse to the interest of the citizen of this state. that tax reform bill had a penalty for new york and other democratic states that eliminated deductibility and raised taxes for everybody 30%. i would like to see the democratic party be less negative because trump is doing the best negative case that we can ever do and start to be more affirmative about what the democrats will do when we get in power. the negative is part of the equation. it is the positive affirmative and i believe that is why the democrats have lost in the past. we have not had a credible vision that people believe would make their life better. and at the end of the day, not enough to criticize the other party.
you must have a credible vision that people believe you can implement and that is what this democratic party needs for the midterm and beyond. and people have to believe you can do it. it can't be abstract, theoretical pie in the sky. it comes back to the bronx, chris. >> whnow you are pandering, governor. i appreciate it. >> chris. >> bye. next, why the president -- that story after the break. making cars lighter, it's a good place to start, advanced oils for those hard-working parts. fuels that go further so drivers pump less.
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war on immigrants has waged on two fronts. including the separation of children from their parents at the southern border. 572 kids are still separated from their moms and dads. administration's systematic 1 9 assaults on documented. if they have ever used a range of popular public welfare programs including subsidies on obamacare exchanges. president trump and miller appear their war on immigrants are energize their base ahead of the midterm. joining me now is michelle
goldberg. and john favro host of the podcast the wilderness. you should check it out. it is good work. >> i think john, miller and kobach and the president think this is our special power. ms-13 is coming for you and your loved ones and democrats are going to be letting them run wild. what do you think about that strategy? >> they tried that in virginia and it didn't work. it was all ms-13 ads all the time and i think this is their best strategy right now. and it is not necessarily a winning strategy as we have seen as least. it is going to be rile up the base and i don't think it is going to get him across the finish line in a lot of districts and states that they need. >> the "new york times" reporting on this was interesting. balderson, i am a christian, i
am a family man. and then it is like this is, these are what he is closing with. check out this ad. >> the liberal resistance is demanding open borders, they want to eliminate the law enforcement that enforces immigration laws. opening america's doors to crime and drugs. >> michelle, that is what they ended up on. >> there has been this debate going on ever since the catastrophe of trump's election, what motivated people to choose this man. what is racial grievance. we know now what the trump campaign thinks. and the other part of it is, i mean, the economy is doing well overall but don't have much of a
record running on their own voters. people don't pay attention to gdp, they pay attention to their personal well-being and for most people, they are not better off. >> john, it is, it is fascinating to me that there is so little attempt to run on the record. like the tax cut bill they thought was going to be a big deal. isis, caliphate was smashed and they don't even want to run on that. >> partly it is because even if republicans wanted to run on the tax cut which some of them do. and i don't think it is a good idea. donald trump is not going to let them run on anything other than
what he tweets that day. they don't really have the message down. >> oh, ohio, what a terrible place, i am your president, vote balders balderson. there is also the backlash effect. the idea that you see the republicans use nancy pelosi, the president is a polarizing figure. you see it on immigration, the immigration polling is fascinating. in 2010, it was split, by 2017, it is plus 40 in favor of immigrants strengthening the country >> trump's incredible unpopularity is often uncounted because he is still in office. he is not being held accountable
and it makes it seem as if he is teflon. and i think we lose sight of the fact that the majority of the country really dislikes him. probably a plurality of people probably hate him. the feelings of college educated people who cannot believe what is going on, people of color who reviled this man, i think those feelings are going to be just as important when it comes to the midterms. >> and i don't know, you did this great series, about how democrats are dealing with this political moment and i wonder what you think about the culture war tropes what do they do on the left side in terms of motivating the other side. >> looking at those numbers you put up, democrats should not be
afraid to talk about immigration. i believe our most powerful message is economic populism. we should never run away from issues like immigration because republicans are going to make the argument no matter what on immigration. we live in a country where most people think they strengthen the country, most people believe they deserve a path to citizenship. we shouldn't run away from it. >> it is going to be interesting. race in virginia was instructive in that respect. we wi we will see what happens there. early returns coming in from kansas. thank you both for being with me. our election coverage continues with steve kornacki. fresh results. going to take from streaming on
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all eyes on ohio tonight. watching a tight race in that special election between balderson and o'connor. let's go to steve kornacki at the big board for the latest. what's up? >> we just got a big pile of votes added here. we saw the early vote come in. it was counted and o'connor jumped out to a 27 point lead. we expected that. in the last 45 seconds his lead came down to 11 points. 55-44 as you played your music coming back from the break it was 15. that is the story for
republicans. can they make up the gap in the same day votes. basically can they hang on and you see balderson, he is within 11 points. the story we are seeing and i am going to perhaps be surprised -- here we go. it just came down. we just got another update. it is now down to a five point race. balderson is closing fast right here. i am going to tell you right now, if we are getting this out of the key part of the stridist, i want to look into delaware county. this is traditionally the republican backbone of the district. you go down below -- and i will tell you this though, in the tell democratic party of the district, only counted a couple of thousand same day votes. the wild card is delaware county. you want to see, can the democrats improve there on what
hillary clinton did in 2016 or does this go back to being the backbone of the district. >> we are going to look for, when we start getting delaware and and franklin in. that will give a clearer sense of under and over performance. >> it is small, in terms of the performance of the district. you look at the returning part. muskingum county. this was trump surge country. he won this by almost 30 points if 2016 after obama carried it in 2012. we figured that balderson would do okay. how is he doing? he is getting trump numbers. he is up 29 points. we're seeing something similar if you look, if you go next door, it is not quite working. i think we are seeing a gigantic, and this is the story of the trump era, a gigantic
divide between suburbs right next on columbus and the blue collar areas outside of it. >> the strategy of the president arriving. and there was some back and forth about whether he was invited, if the place he went in the district was the right place to be. the strategy there is, i'm going to go turn out my voters in a district that i carry by 12. if in fact balderson is victorious, the president will do a victory lap on precisely those terms. >> and we said delaware will be the key. this was the place. it was the highest income county in ohio. it is a place that trump won by 16. romney won it by 23 a couple years earlier. >> that will be interesting. a very interesting number to look at. >> all right. steve cokornacki. thank you for that. i'm joined by the executive
editor, and jason, mayor of kansas, author of a new book, out this week of outside the wire. let me start with you. i've been seeing a variety of articles with a version of this case. the sort of swath the greater midwest, pennsylvania, ohio, minnesota, the industrial midwest, you might call it. particularly white voters, white noncollege voters, swung toward trump in 2016. the last two years have seen a lot of those voters move back. at least in the polling. what do you think of that? >> well, let's keep in mind how many wealthy people voted for donald trump. let's look at that. >> one of the corollaries, he is doing great in florida among wealthy white retirees. >> right, right.
>> right now the issue is health care. and balderson just last month vowed that he was open to increasing the eligibility age for medicare and disability. he's trying to walk that back and he has his mother in an ad. i think that was telling. i don't think we should put all our hopes in this race or decide that it is a decider for the entire state or for the country. this race should never have been competitive for the republicans and now it is. i'm still looking at polling and hearing from suburban mothers. i think we are not talking enough about. this they care about the family separations. the only way it goes away is if we journalists stick with it. i don't understand why more democrats aren't talking about immigration. the majority of americans are so close to what happened to these children. all of whom are not white. >> that is a great point. the polling on that, the politics, the trajectory, the
horror in the country, we've been following the story. 572 children, 460 around whose parents were deported and who the government apparently thought they were going to hang on to. but there is a kind of received wisdom that is not what you lead on if you're running in a competitive district. >> i think as usual it was right. i think we would be remiss, not to call him an elephant. what did he to the elephants. but the trump in the room. people are angry about this. i think we you a all of these women running thissee. we all the nontraditional candidates come out of wood work. teachers and doctors and scientists decide to split their hats in the ring.
nonpoliticians for the first time because they were scared that trump and the people he brought in would make this an unrecognizable people in the country. that's national. they're running on fixing the potholes and making sure everybody gets health care. the reason we're seeing 84% turnout, up from 2014, that's a insane number. because of the national mood. >> right. >> sure. passion is persuasive. so, voters don't talk about issues the way we talk about it on tv. the way politicians do. they don't live issues one at a time. that's what we have to remember. >> evenly, the could not seat of the issue itself is extremely artificial. >> it is like your mortgage or you want to go on vacation. in kansas city, do you have to move across town to be successful and move out of town? i don't know what issue you call that but that's why i'm running for mayor, to keep people from
doing that. what i read about in the book, you don't do it from your own comfort zone. it is about what do you care about? voters can tell if you talk about what you care about. >> can i ask that you a long time nemesis, you were both secretaries of state. >> our states never went to war so success there. >> thankfully. but you have very different perspectives on letting people vote. his political success, the fact that he, given what he's done, the $800,000, getting small towns to hire him. >> one of the stories is my very first meeting, he came in with
this resolution that said we on keep the federal government out of the elections. he said it is partisan. i said one party wants to keep the federal government out of the elections and the other wants black people vote. we haven't been friends since. he has this really dangerous, villainous super power. it is to say racist and extremist and horrible things in what can sometimes appear to be a reasonable tone of voice. that's really, really dangerous. if somebody wants to be the mayor of kansas city, bordering kansas, i do not want him to be the governor of that state. >> a lot of time there's real distance between what the macro top lines at 3.9% unemployment and how people are feeling. and i'm curious what your experience has been talking to folks in ohio.
>> there is no one single issue. if overall they're scared. >> fear is driving this. i'm not at all criticizing you. it is not a partisan issue to care with families. it should not be a partisan issue to care about health care and they don't even get prescription drug coverage. it should not be, that workers should not have to work beyond the age of 65. we're not talking about people like us. look at the lives we have. we're talking about people had assistant on their feet sxa ten hours a day. when did it become a partisan issue to care about these people, getting their pensions, their retirements, their social security and medicare at 65. so we have to be careful. i say this all the time because of trump's news. he should not be setting the
language. nobody should be telling us how to talk about this. we know how to talk about these issues. it is about the human beings involved with them. the fear that's driving them, that's what we have to address. >> absolutely. that's where it goes to having these candidates to talk to the communities. i think it is incredible that we are seeing nonpoliticians doing it. >> we have charisse doing it. this is not the kind of dpat progressives usually get. >> as a former magazine editor, i have assigned the profile. >> there's nobody many congress that looks like her. no native-american women in congress period. and only two lgbt people right now. so the idea that it doesn't look like your typical class of people running for congress is really important and i am really excited about it.
it will be at the law school at nyu. are you familiar with the idea of senioritis, like what happens to you when you have already figured out what you are going to do over the summer, maybe even next year and, yeah, you are still at school but you kind of have checked out? today the eagle eyed cnn robert mueller's office stakeout team caught andrew weissman showing up to work today in something unexpe unexpected. seen wearing a tan suit to work today. "the new york times" then tweeted this photo of andrew wi weissman picking up lunch today in washington, d.c. looks pretty close to a tan suit. it is possible that andrew weissman was just celebrating the first day of spring today. it is also possible that this is senioritis. but in any case, you do you, andrew weissman.
i know that people get upset about tan suits. i think that looks nice on you. now it is time for the last word! they don't just get upset about it. do you remember when this was a week long scandal when barack obama wore a tan suit? >> well, the thing is that because of that, because we have all lived through that, you can't help but think any time somebody wears a suit that it is a signal. >> they are just looking for trouble. all right. tonight as we await the mueller report, one of the people that wrote the rules for special counsel will join me to discuss why those rules exist and why donald trump, as hard as he tries can't talk or squirm his way out of it. we have a democrat presidential candidate tonight. i'll talk policy and politics with former mayor of san antonio yoechlt a . why so many of donald trump's policies are going down in defeat in the courts.
the president picking fights while failing to keep his promises. the president flew in to ohio for what was in many ways an unofficial 2020 campaign event. the president of course won ohio after promising to bring back manufacturing jobs. today he spoke at the country's last factory that makes tanks for the army in lima, ohio. the factory had been on the decline, but it is now growing as a result of the trump's administration increase in the military budget. >> you better love me. i kept that place open. they said we're closing it. and i said, no, we're not. >> but it only took a few minutes for the president to go off the rails and distract from his own message by launching an unprompted attack on a deceased war hero. >> they ask me about a man named john mccain, and if you want me to tell you about it. should i or not?
i have to be honest, i have never liked him much. hasn't been for me. i've really probably never will. i gave him the kind of funeral that he wanted, which as president i had to approve. i don't care about this. i didn't get thank you. that's okay. we sent him on the way, but i wasn't a fan of john mccain. >> i didn't get thank you, but that's okay. the president dedicated almost five minutes of his speech to attacking john mccain. it was the president's feuds that seemed to be on his mind the most today, not his economic promises. he did manage to squeak out a few lines about the economy. >> it is all about manufacturing, and we're bringing it back in record numbers. we made some progress. that's why you see these numbers. look at that chart. look at it. you don't have to know what's on it. what difference. you don't have to know what the
hell is on it. all you know is that's a good line. >> wow. i'd like to know what that's about because we're not bringing manufacturing back in record numbers. manufacturing jobs have increased slightly, not necessarily due to trump's policies but voters in ohio may not be feeling like the president kept his promise. a poll from morning consult shows president trump's approval rating in ohio has fallen by 19 points since he took office in january 2017. that might be due to the fact that some manufacturing jobs are still leaving ohio. in lord's town, just 200 miles away from where the president spoke, a general motors plant is shutting down this month. gm ceo cited the trump tariffs which cost the company about a billion dollars as a reason for the closure. the president seemed to recognize that closing as a threat to his core support.
he spent the week tweeting demands about reopening the plant. >> get the discussions going. get it open. lord's town is a great area. i guess i like it because i won so big there. >> meanwhile in washington, the federal reserve chairman gave an economic forecast that was less optimistic than what the president was saying and what the white house said yet. >> data suggests that growth is slowing somewhat more than expected. financial conditions tightened considerably over the fourth quarter while conditions have eased since then, they remain less supportive of growth than during most of 2018. >> but the president's focus seemed elsewhere. donald trump began his way with a tweet attacking george conway, the husband of his adviser kellyanne conway and he kept that up when he said this to reporters. >> he is a whack job, there is no question about it. but i really don't know him. i think he's doing a tremendous
disservice to a wonderful wife. kellyanne is a wonderful woman. i call him mr. kellyanne. the fact is that he's doing a tremendous disservice to a wife and family. >> all right. joining us now the editor at large for cnbc. john, i don't know what donald trump gets from attacking john mccain. it is mysterious. he's been going at this for a few days. it is unprompted. today it was entirely unprompted. he likes to start with today they asked me about john mccain. >> everything the president was saying in the clips that you showed underscored the point that george conway, kellyanne conway's husband has been making the last couple of days, that this is a president completely absorbed within himself. you saw him say, you better love me, i saved these jobs here. maybe i like this area because
they voted for me so much. it was not about others. it was about him. the same is true of his obsession with john mccain, who he is following the accident sated on for having voted against the repeal of obamacare and maybe other things. but it is a bizarre fixation for the president at a time that even when the economy is slowing, as j. powell indicated and it is not posed to deliver the kind of growth the white house says it will, it still is growing. among all the things the president could be talking about, that would probably be the most constructive for him. >> earlier today, that stakeout before the president got on the helicopter to leave for ohio, he made another comment, and he was talking about the mueller investigation, in which he said i don't get it and my voters don't get it. so more than two years in, the president seems concerned with himself, his base and his
voters, not the country. >> yeah. that's right. and, i mean, at this point, what's so difficult with all these statements is there is no reason to believe anything he says, right? so he says let's release the mueller report. let people see it. but there is no reason -- he is sufficiently disconnected from reality that he basically says whatever he thinks will be best for him in the moment. and this creates a big challenge for journalists because he's the president of the united states. and i know some people say just ignore him and ignore his tweets, but he is the president of the united states. it's not so easy to ignore him. it's also not clear that what he's saying has any particular meaning. it is just this continual need to talk about himself all the time. i'm a new yorker. i grew up in new york in the 1980s. donald trump was a tabloid character back then. he is unchanged. this is the way he was back then. the problem is now he's the president of the united states. >> john, what does it mean to you? the president on a 50 tweet tirade this weekend.
30 tweets since the weekend. you make an interesting point. it's strong enough that he could be tauting it. wages are up. gdp is up. why does he so easily get distracted from something that was so central to his campaign? the folks in rural ohio might have voted for him because of the fact that he was promising to bring back jobs and to increase manufacturing output. why does he not stick on that message? what's on his mind that he's getting so off focus this week? >> i don't think he can help it. the president -- first of all, the president is under a lot of pressure. the mueller investigation is closing in. that's one of his obsessions for very good reason. you have got the special counsel investigation, the southern district of new york, the attorney general of the state of new york, the manhattan district attorney all honing in on him, his businesses, his foundation, his transition, his family, his campaign aids. that is a tremendous source of
pressure. he's had political setbacks. the democrats have taken control of the house. they left him naked in that government shutdown and having to capitulate to nancy pelosi on his wall. that's not happening. he's launched this trade war with china that has damaged the u.s. economy as well as china's economy. now he seems very eager to get a deal, but it's not clear that that deal is going to be anything that changes the growth path of the u.s. economy. so he's coming up short in a lot of areas, and i think that is a source of stress for him on top of the legal problems. >> and that's interesting, david, because the fact is the effect of the trade war may be long-term damaging to u.s. growth. so if the president does get a deal -- and today waiting for the fed to say that they weren't raising interest rating, the market went up for about an hour and then went back down because
people are worried that this particular war with china doesn't look like it is coming to an end any time soon. >> that's right. and it is a risk for the economy. i think the bigger problem, it is very easy for us to focus on the immediate numbers and the trade war and this plant in ohio. i think the larger problem is the economy is not that strong. yes, wages have grown a little bit and unemployment is low, but wage growth has been weak for most workers. that's part of why people are so dissatisfied. it's been a main trend and particularly since 2000. so it is difficult for trump to try to persuade people that the economy is great when it's just pretty good for most people. it's really good if you own a lot of stock. but for most people it is pretty good. as you played in the clip from the fed chair, it looks like it is now getting weaker. so i think there are all kinds of economic risks out there,
even if it is impossible to know what route the economy is going to take. >> i'm a little puzzled. donald trump held up a chart like this. i have no idea what he held up in ohio. he said, you don't need to know what it is. it is a good line. it is a good number. i don't know what he's talking about. did you know what that was? >> obviously, you could find numbers out there that look like good numbers, right? >> of anything. there was no labels, no words or nothing. >> it was classic trump. it was like here is a scoreboard. i'm going to say it's great. i'm going to say it's big and beautiful and take my word for it. >> you couldn't, guys, have a starker contrast than the white house coming out with a budget early this week and the chief economist in the white house said the economic growth in 2019 was going to be even higher than it was in 2018. it would be 3.2%. jay powell said exactly the opposite today.
he said 2.1% growth. the second fed downgrade in the last couple of months. there is a very big difference in outcomes between those two forecasts where now late in the first quarter that's expected to be below 2% growth, that is another source of pressure on the president. if he loses what even on its face is a good economy, even if david says for many workers it's not a big increase in their living standards, that is the most significant prop underneath the support he has. >> what do you think is going on with this kellyanne conway, george conway, donald trump thing? kellyanne conway did speak to "politico" today. she said he left it alone for months in respect to me. but you think he shouldn't respond when somebody, a nonmedical professional accuses him of having a mental disorder?
>> i don't have a habit of defending president trump. i have written i think he is unfit for office, and he is. i will say if we had any president that had a senior adviser in the white house whose spouse was basically out there saying all kinds of things about how terrible the president was, it would be a little bit weird for that president, too. i have to say of all the things that i object to with trump, the idea that he finally responded to one of his senior aids husband just constantly attacking him, if anything, he showed bizarre restraint for donald trump in this case. >> this thing gets -- >> we've seen it before. martha mitchell, the wife of the attorney general john mitchell for richard nixon was sounding the alarm during watergate. a lot of people dismissed her as kind of a cook and she turned out to be raising some significant points. >> thanks, guys. good to see you both. coming up, president trump
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president trump's continued attacks on george conway and the late john mccain seem to be the shiny objects he'd like us to focus on instead of the looming release of robert mueller's report of his russia investigation. today the president tried to challenge his report nearly two years into the investigation. some of what you are about to hear from the president simply isn't true and much of it simply doesn't make sense. >> i just won one of the greatest elections of all time in the history of this country, and even you will admit that and now i have somebody write a report that never got a vote? tens of millions of voters and now somebody is going to write a report who never got a vote. the man out of the blue just writes a report. i got 306 electoral votes.
it is an amazing thing that when you have a great victory, somebody comes in, does a report out of nowhere? tell me how that makes sense, who never got a vote, who the day before, he was retained to become special counsel. i told him he wouldn't be working at the fbi. and then the following day they get him for that? i don't think so. i don't think people get it. >> all right. so the president has a problem with unelected officials investigating him. but apparently he also doesn't care for congressional committees that have a constitutional duty to conduct oversight. congressman says, quote, the white house has refused to hand over any documents or produce any witnesses for interviews, despite numerous requests. the chairman says this refusal reflects a decision at the highest levels to deny congressional oversight altogether. president trump also welcomed the release of the mueller
report. he welcomed it, despite the possibility it might further implicate members of trump world. >> i don't mind. frankly, i told the house, if you want, let them see it. let it come out. let people see it. that's up to the attorney general. we have a very good attorney general. he's a highly respected man and we'll see what happens. but it is interesting that a man out of the blue just writes a report. >> out of the blue, sort of interesting indeed. it would be interesting if a man just came out of the blue to write a report. more importantly, the washington post notes it is the first time that trump has said that he would be okay with making the mueller report public. and in doing so, he might have nixed a major argument against its release. quote, justice department guidelines prohibit revealing information about people who are not being indicted and that is
obtained by a grand jury. but the reason that information generally is not released is to protect the people involved. and the most high ranking person involved, trump, just gave it the green light. other fig dwrures who have not indicted may still object to details of their conduct being aired publically, but it seems trump has authorized the disclosure of detail about his own conduct. joining us now former acting solicitor attorney general. he wrote the special counsel regulations under which robert mueller was appointed, which makes me wonder, neil, where he said he has just won the gre greatest election of all time in the history of this country, 306 electoral votes. so how could a guy just come out of the blue and investigate him? >> so trump lies about things that are both big and small. on the small, it's not just that he didn't win the greatest election in history, 306
electoral votes? he didn't even won 306. he won 304. he can't even get the smallest details right. and then the big ones, the idea that mueller is just some dude on the street who writes a report, mueller was appointed by trump's own guy, rod rosenstein. he was put into the job by donald trump. so the idea that it's some man off the street or something like that, of course not. and then the most corrosive thing, the idea the president says nobody voted for mueller and millions of people voted for me. >> right. >> there is nothing more corrosive and anti-democratic and a fundamental betrayal. the idea is that no person is above the law. just because you were elected, that doesn't put you above the law. and by the way, it is an argument he should fear because it turns out there are some people who are elected. they are called members of congress, and they are now going
to get into this investigation big-time. i don't think the president will be very happy about those elected officials and what they're about to investigate. >> one of those people is elijah cummings, who said president trump's actions violate our constitutional fundamental principal of checks and balances. there should be no doubt about why. this has nothing to do with presidential harassment and everything to do with unprecedented obstruction. i wonder, neil, from listening to the president today whether this is a game in which he believes his base or his supporters will play or whether he has a fundamental misunderstanding of the fact that because he won an election it doesn't prevent a report being written about him, an investigation taking place about him and that special counsel robert mueller isn't a guy off the street. >> yeah. i think donald trump really does show that he believes that this constitution is all a time and it's just subject to rhetoric
and being disregarded and the like. and i think representative cummings is exactly right. the most important duty he has as a member of congress is to stand up and be a check and balance. that is the genius that madison and hamilton and others gave us. the idea that no matter who the president is, no matter how wise that person may be, they have to be subject to checks and balancing. and chief among them is the role of congress. >> one of the things adam schiff was talking about, he told nbc news he wants to investigate whether trump or those around him might be compromised by a foreign government. one of the points that adam schiff is making is that he could get obsessed about donald trump preelection and what he may have done to get elected. those appear to be the things alleged to be involved are actual crimes for which michael cohen has been found guilty. that said, there are concerns about what donald trump is doing
as president or under what influence he may be as president. adam schiff seems to be indicating they're more interested in that. >> yeah. so i think schiff is on to something really important as the nation awaits the mueller report. it is important for everyone to know mueller's mandate is a criminal mandate and sometimes a counter intelligence mandate, but it is not going to get into all the stuff about whether mueller -- whether trump lied about the russians, for example, in 2016 when he said he had no business dealing with the russians. it could conceivably get into it, but it is likely not to because lying to the american public, while horrible, turns out not to be a crime. i think schiff and others in congress will have to investigate these other things. you could say this is this long prolonged witch hunt, but it is a witch hunt of the president's own making. this is a president who has surrounded himself with people and who himself has lied about russia repeatedly.
and someone has got to get to the bottom line truth. and when trump doesn't even bother to show up in mueller's office and testify, someone has got to figure out, you know, what actually happened with russia and what is continuing to happen with russia. >> we talked about elijah cummings on oversight. and then there is adler. all three committees taking a different approach in how to get the necessary information. on monday there was a deadline for one of the committees to get subpoenas. let me tell you what that wall street journal is reporting. planning to request documents from other trump connected officials. planning to send a second wave of document requests to associates of president trump including trump lawyer rudy giuliani and a former lawyer for michael cohen who last year sought a pardon on his client's behalf according to a person familiar with the committee's plans. other individuals likely to be
sent requests include rex tillerson and gary cohen, an investment banker. neil, there is going to be no stone left unturned by this congress. so if there is anything that donald trump has been up to, there won't be a place to hide. >> i hope that's right because for two years congress sat on its hands and did nothing to investigate trump and, you know, this is someone who has repeatedly denied federal law just, you know, one example that gary cohen questionnaire that the judiciary commit tee is sending. gary cohen complained about the fact that president trump tried to block the time warner merger with at&t because he was so upset by the coverage on the rival network on cnn. that is a blatant abuse of power. again, it might not be criminal, but it is exactly the kind of thing our founders wrote the impeachment clause all about. so, again, as we think and await
the mueller report, i think the most important thing is to understand it is only limited to crimes. it is not limited to these other things. that's why you see house judiciary chairman adler stepping up and saying, i've got to investigate this stuff. >> thank you for joining me. coming up next, presidential candidate secretary kon the president's apparent unwilling to cooperate. and the mueller administration keeps losing policy fights it should have won. have won. lieve it. that there's a lobster in our hot tub? lobster: oh, you guys. there's a jet! oh...i needed this. no, i can't believe how easy it was to save hundreds of dollars on our car insurance with geico. we could have been doing this a long time ago. so, you guys staying at the hotel? yeah, we just got married. oh ho-ho! congratulations! thank you. yeah, i'm afraid of commitment... and being boiled alive. oh, shoot.
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this week president trump has ramped up his prolific twitter usage. he tweeted more than 50 times over the weekend and sent more than 30 tweets since the week began. as the president continues to make the most of his executive time, the day-to-day work of actually running the country seems to be falling by the wife si side. just this week after the deadly malfunction in the boeing 737 crisis, the president finally got around to appointing someone to run the federal aviation administration. after failing to find a replacement for john kelly, the white house is reportedly planning to drop the word acting from acting white house chief of staff mick mulvaney. he is doing that job in addition
to his other job as the head of the office of management and budget. this week, we learned there are even bigger staffing problems in the trump administration. some of trump's appointees, who have actually been confirmed by the senate are apparently taking their cues on how to do their job from president trump. on monday, nbc news reported that housing and urban development has kept a light work schedule while running the agency. a list of appointments in 2017 shows that he held one senior staff meeting a week and spent half of his fridays leaving early or taking the day off altogether so he could fly to his mansion in florida for the weekend. sounds like someone you know? i'm joined by hudd secretary from 2014 to 2017. he is currently the only former head of a federal agency running for president. and prior to that, he was the mayor of san antonio. good to see you. thank you for being with us.
>> hey, great to be with you. >> i want to go through a bunch of policy things, but i want to tell you the associated press is reporting now that the prime minister of new zealand has announced an immediate ban on all assault weapons, military style semiautomatic weapons. it took them under a week to do that. >> it is amazing, isn't it? i'm glad to see that. those are weapons of war. i don't think they have any place out there on the streets. i believe the united states should reinstate an updated assault weapons ban. probably the most shameful moment in congress over the last decade was right after the tragedy at new town when president obama implored congress to do something on common sense gun reform, even something as straightforward and as supported by 90% of the american public as universal background checks and the
republican controlled congress did not lift a finger, even though more than two does children had died. what we see in new zealand tonight is something different and positive. i believe we need to get to a point where enough politicians, especially republican ones, are willing to stand up to groups like the nra and to, you know, pass common sense gun reform. universal background checks, limiting the capacity of magazines and an assault weapons ban. >> i want to ask you about a topic that you and other candidates have been talking about this week. that is about the electoral college. there are a number of people in this country who think the system needs reforming. elizabeth warren has said he thinks we should get rid of the electoral college. it's got to go because people in his conservative state don't count in some elections.
where do you stand on this? >> i agree. it should be abolished. by the way, as folks may remember, both donald trump and hillary clinton who ran against each other in 2016 at different points had called for doing away with the electoral college. we have had two people now who won the popular vote in the last 20 years who did not become president. and a lot of times folks will say, well, you know, the electoral college protects especially the small states, presidential candidates won't get out to the smaller states if we don't keep it. i pledge to visit all 50 states. i know that some of the other candidates have pledged to visit all 50 states during this campaignme campaignme campaignment. so just shows you that that doesn't mean, even if you did away with the electoral college
that people are not going to visit or go campaign and ask for the support of folks that live in some of these smaller states. they're going to go everywhere during this campaign. >> i want to talk to you about the supreme court. the hill reported one idea talked up would reform the supreme court so that republican appointed five justices and democrats appointed five justices. the ten would mutually agree on an additional five bringing the number to 15. donald trump already said he thinks that's a terrible idea. what do you think? >> well, you know, of the different ideas that have been proposed, the one that intrigues me the most is something like term limits, even if they were long terms. something that balances it out bipartisan ship, i think, also could make sense. what i wouldn't want to see happen is just a straight increase in the number of justices without reforming how
the appointments are done because the problem with that is that you could raise the number to 11 next year and then 10 years from now the other party could try to raise it to 15 so they could have their president appoint several new justices. so my preference would be for us to remain at 9 and do it the way that we have been doing it. but of the different proposals that have been out there, i would be most open to something that looks at term limits. >> let me ask you your thoughts in the race. how do you feel you're doing and what do you think americans need to know about you? >> i think we're steadily building momentum. i'm going out there visiting these different states. i can tell when i get in front of folks, i have gained a lot of traction. i was in idaho and utah like i said because i believe that everybody counts. that's the reason that i went out to puerto rico right after i announced.
you know, folks have asked, well, you know, how do you feel about the fact that you are not a front runner right now. and i point out two things. number one, that they're 46 weeks until the iowa caucus, right, but who is counting. there is a long time. and secondly, you know, i was not born, nor did i grow up a front runner. i can't think of a single time in my life when i have been a front runner at something. but i have been successful because i'm going to put in the hard work of going to speak to americans everywhere. and there are a lot of folks in this country right now who don't feel like a front runner. i'm going to go and talk to them, and i'm going to make sure they hear my message, that what we need to do is to create the sma smartest, nation on earth. i'm one of the few candidates in this racened i'm the only one who has actually run one of the federal agencies. i have executive experience. i have a track record of getting things done and a very compelling vision for the future of the country.
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you could probably guess why donald trump complains about the federal courts, because he's losing. according to the washington post, federal judges have ruled against the trump administration at least 63 times over the past two years. an extraordinary record of legal defeat that stymied large parts of the president's agenda. legal experts argue that the real reason is because the trump administration is rushing to employment policy changes without explaining why. bill bus by who has studied trump's record tells the post that administration officials quote don't even come close to explaining their actions, making it very easy for the courts to reject them, because they're not doing their homework. take for example the white house attempt to revoke the program protecting young children.
four different judges who ruled against the trump administration came to the same conclusion the post notes, quote, that the government's stated reason for ending daca that it was unlawful was virtually unexplained. three judges rejected adding a question about citizenship to the 2020 census because they did not find commerce secretary w l ross's argument that it would improve voting rights believable. numerous courts have struck down the court's efforts citing failure to defend their actions. courts have blocked trump's ban on transgender people serving in the military, his attempt to pull funding from sanctuary cities and his promise to revoke grant money from teen pregnancy programs.
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joining us now bill busby. he has been following and studying the trump following an studying the trump administration's court cases since 2017 when he noticed they were making policy changes and deregulating in ways that he says were illegal. david leonhart is also back with us. bill, what made you think that these ways in which the administration was deregulating were illegal? given that this is something the president ran on and you can see in places like the consumer financial protection bureau or the epa or the department of energy put people in there to do what his opinion, in his opinion is god's work of deregulating. >> yes. agencies certainly usually have some room to shift policies with new presidents. but they have to follow the rules. and the rules require them to look at what statutes require and go through the process set
by congress and provide good reasons for any change. and right away if was apparent to me that what they were doing was trying make shortcuts and not do the work but nonetheless get the mileage of knocking out past regulations. and that wasn't going to work, and i said so. and so far it has not been working for the -- >> it's truly remarkable when you look at these numbers, what the win rate would typically be in government cases around 70%, and seeing a 6% rate with this administration. david, it does seem to be an issue, though, with how the president perceives justice. let's just listen to what he had to say about his national emergency and how that's going o'play out in the courts. >> we will have a national emergency and we will then be sued and they will sue us in the 9th circuit even though it shouldn't be there and we will possibly get a bad ruling and then we'll get another bad ruling and then we'll end up in the supreme court and hopefully we'll get a fair shake and we'll
win in the supreme court. >> notwithstanding the unusual delivery, the president there, david, talked about it shouldn't be there and then he said bad ruling twice. so there's no real sense of the application of justice and fair-mindedness and judges who will consider something. it's either bad or good in his mind. >> that's right. it's very outcome-oriented. and we know that president trump rejects all kinds of core parts of our constitutional system. he rejects separation of powers. he rejects all kinds of things. and so far we've seen congress really bend to his will. the republicans in congress. they've basically for the most part done whatever he has wanted. the courts so far have mostly held. they have pushed back against the president when he has tried to do extralegal things. they've pushed back against the president when he's been sloppy. and so that is something to be -- to feel very good about. the one reason to have some anxiety about this is what trump said at the end of that clip, which is the supreme court.
the john roberts supreme court has alternated at times -- i don't agree with him philosophically, but at times they really have stood up for the rule of law and other times they've acted more like partisan legislators who are going to vote based on whether they're an r or a d. and i am worried, i am anxious about what the supreme court is going to do when some of these cases reach the supreme court because if they overturn what lower courts did it doesn't matter that much that lower courts stood up to the president. >> bill, david brings up things that are extralegal, things that are sloppy. but according to the "washington post" there's another ingredient here in some of these cases and it's the rhetoric. it's donald trump's rhetoric. let me just read to you from this article. "contributing to the losing record has been trump himself. his reported comments about s-hole countries, for example, helped convince u.s. district judge edward m. chen in san francisco that the administration's decision to end temporary protected status for hundreds of thousands of immigrants from central america, haiti and sudan was motivated by racial and ethnic bias. at least a dozen decisions have
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time for tonight's last word. the "washington post" reports that what we call millennials, people born roughly between 1980 and 1996, displaced baby boomers as the country's largest voting age group in 2018 and according to pew research millennials will cast about the same percentage of votes in the united states as baby boomers and slightly more than gen x-ers in the 2020 election. and now millennials have a better chance than ever of voting for one of their own. mayor pete buttigieg's campaign has announced the indiana mayor has crossed the tlernho thresho needed to make it onto the democratic primary debate stage in june. the democratic national committee requires that candidates garnery contribution from at least 65,000 people from at least 20 states. that makes buttigieg the first millennial candidate to make it onto the dnc stage. buttigieg is a remarkably accomplished man. he's a rhodes scholar, a mayor, and an afghanistan war veteran.
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>> thanks for joining us.s.s.s.. tonight, panic at walmart. the new incident. a 20-year-old man armed with an assault rifle and loaded with ammo, charged with making terrorist threats inside the store. a retired firefighter armed with a gun of his own stopping him. and tonight, the new images showing the suspect at a gun range. what police are now saying about what he wanted to do. the deadly rush hour attack. the hunt for the gunman who killed two people on a busy highway. the shootout in the middle of traffic. the interstate shut down. cars backed up for miles. naming names. the bombshell documents made public in a court case connected to jeffrey epstein. a young woman claiming he directed her to have sex
with a former senator and former governor when she was a teen. allegations they deny. president trump calling for background checks after threatening to veto a house bill this year. what he is saying about the nra. fugitive on the run. news of a urgent manhunt for a dangerous inmate accused of killing an prison employee. authorities just announcing they have no credible sightings. he could be anywhere. the major bank stunning its customers, wiping the slate clean. telling them all your credit card debt has been forgiven. new surveillance video. the search for two suspects accused of tossing an explosive into a gas station convenience store. and this just in. shocking accident at the beach. a child impaled by a flying umbrella, rushed to the hospital. good evening. great to have you with us on a busy friday night. i'm tom llamas in for david. we begin with the panic at another walmart. a man in body armor and an
assault style rifle walking through a store in missouri, terrifying shoppers and following them outside when they escaped. a retired firefighter holding him at gunpoint until police made an arrest. the gunman is facing a terrorism charge even though he never fired a shot. tonight, what he told police about why he went to that walmart so heavily armed. gio benitez leads us off. >> reporter: tonight dimitri andreychenko in jail on charges of making a terrorist threat after setting off fears of a mass shooting. >> male wearing a bulletproof vest and an a.r. around his neck just walked into the store and is recording himself. >> reporter: just after 4:00 p.m. thursday, the 20-year-old walked into this walmart in springfield, missouri, dressed in body armor, carrying an assault rifle. police say he had 100 rounds of ammunition. a store manager pulling the fire alarm, sending customers fleeing outside. >> i realized it wasn't a hunting rifle, that it was an assault rifle. and that really scared me.
>> reporter: minutes later, a bystander, julie belew, capturing this terrifying scene, the suspect walking right towards her car with his hands up in the air. >> he's got a handgun in his waistband. >> i was about to get out of my car when i heard a voice off to my left say, "is that a rifle? is that a real rifle?" >> reporter: a former firefighter confronting andreychenko. he does not want to be identified. >> i drew my weapon, told him to put his hands in the air. he complied. he was compliant the whole time. he was videotaping on his phone, which was kind of odd. >> reporter: tonight police saying adreychenko told them he quote, wanted to know if that walmart honored the second amendment and that due to recent shootings and a stabbing, he wanted to protect himself. police looking at the new videos of him in target practice. >> his intent was not to cause peace or comfort to anybody that was in the business here.
in fact, he's lucky he's alive still, to be honest. >> gio joins us live. police shedding a light on the gunman's possible motive. in a week that's seen two mass shootings, the suspected told police that he was surprised by the panic? >> reporter: this is really astonishing, tom. because he's apparently now claiming to police that he never expected people to react this way. he wanted his sister to record it on the phone. she said it was a bad idea, so he ended up recording it himself. tom? next a hunt for a gunman who killed two people after crashing his car into theirs during rush hour and unloading round after round into their vehicle. the shootout in houston, backing up traffic for miles. the gunman drove away before police arrived and they are asking for the public's help to find him. here's abc's clayton sandell. >> oh, my god. >> reporter: houston police are searching for a gunman who turned a rush hour freeway into
a deadly shooting gallery. one victim lying on the ground as good samaritans try to keep him alive. interstate traffic backed up for miles. >> they advised a drive by shooting. at shooing a really big gun. shooting in a car. >> reporter: it started at 6:00 last night, two suspects in a dark sedan ramming in this silver car, forcing it to spin out. witnesses say one suspect jumped out of his car, firing what appeared to be an ar-15 rifle. >> he actually pursued the vehicle as the vehicle rolled down the hill, firing rounds at the vehicle as it rolled. at one point the vehicle came to a stop. he got in front of the vehicle and fired rounds into the front windshield of the vehicle. >> reporter: two men in the silver sedan were killed. houston's police chief says the murders are likely drug-related. this video, showing what police believe are large bags of marijuana inside the car. >> we absolutely believe that a lot more witnesses are going to come forward, because we really
believe more people saw this. it was done in broad daylight. >> clayton joining us now. we understand another driver not connected to the incident also fired shots? >> reporter: that's right, tom. there was another witness there with his own handgun who saw the suspect coming towards him, feared for his life and he fired several shots. he is not sure if the suspect was wounded but he says it was enough to cause the gunman to flee. tom? >> all right, clayton, thank you. next tonight, disturbing allegations of jeffrey epstein and members of his social circle. those allegations come from newly unsealed documents from a new settled court case against elaine maxwell. a woman claims that maxwell groomed her to be a sex slave to epstein and was trafficked to some of his most powerful associates. among his associates, a former senator and a governor. here is abc's linsey davis. >> reporter: tonight, the jeffrey epstein scandal is growing. bombshell accusations point a finger at some notable names. 2,000 pages of documents were
unsealed in manhattan federal court related to a defamation case brought by virginia roberts giuffre against ghislaine maxwell, an epstein associate. in court filings giuffre says she became an underage teen sex slave for epstein, and later was directed by maxwell and epstein to have sex with many quote powerful men, including numerous prominent american politicians, powerful business executives, foreign presidents, and other world leaders. among those giuffre names in sworn depositions, british royalty prince andrew, former governor and u.n. ambassador bill richardson, and the influential former senator from maine, george mitchell. all three men have strongly denied the allegations. in statements today, mitchel and richardson say they never met her and these allegations are false. in an interview with the miami herald giuffre described how she was trained. >> the training started immediately -- give jeffrey what he wants.
a lot of this training came from ghislaine herself. and being a woman, it kind of surprises you that a woman could actually let stuff like that happen. but not only let it happen but to groom you into doing it. i was young. i was scared. they were powerful. i didn't know what would happen if i said no. i didn't know what would happen if i reported them. >> reporter: maxwell has consistently denied the allegations, and in court filings, her lawyers say she had failed to substantiate her claims of being trafficked to well known men. jeffrey epstein charged with conspiracy and sex trafficking remains under suicide watch in a new york city jail awaiting trial. >> linsey davis joins us life in studio. tonight, there is a real possibility other epstein associates could face criminal charges? >> reporter: that's right. there's an on going investigation into possible police -- accomplices and there
are thousands of documents sealed. there is an active effort to make those documents public. >>weant tn w to politics and washington. president trump expressing optimism that he can achieve gun reform, specifically background checks. he says he's had serious discussions with democratic leaders and with mitch mcconnell but also with the nra whose views he promises will be quote, respected. the tall order is sparking doubt on the campaign trail in iowa. abc's mary bruce is there. >> reporter: leaving the white house today, under growing pressure, president trump publicly pushing for stricter background checks. >> there's been no president that feels more strongly about the second amendment than i do. however, we need meaningful background checks so that sick people don't get guns. >> reporter: and trump says he can get republicans and even the gun lobby on board. >> i have a lot of respect for the people at the nra, and i have already spoken to them on numerous occasions. numerous occasions.
and frankly, we need intelligent background checks. >> reporter: here in iowa, the democratic candidates quick to respond. >> he wants to say, oh, yes, i can support changes on gun safety, and then say but, let's all be sure to bow to the nra. that just doesn't work. >> reporter: do you give him credit for trying to push for action on this? >> i will give the president credit when i actually see him sign legislation that enacts common sense gun safety legislation. what we need is for him to actually push mitch mcconnell and the senate to enact common sense gun safety legislation. i'm not holding my breath though. >> reporter: meanwhile, the trump campaign is hitting joe biden for this comment overnight. >> we have this notion that somehow if you're poor, you cannot do it. poor kids are just as bright and just as talented as white kids, wealthy kids, black kids, asian kids. >> reporter: biden's campaign
says the former vice president misspoke, but today the president piling on. >> joe biden is not playing with a full deck. this is not somebody you can have as your president, but if he got the nomination, i would be thrilled. >> okay, mary bruce live tonight from the iowa state fair. i want to go back to the background check issue. you cover capitol hill for us. give us a reality check here -- how realistic is it to pass this and will the president call congress back into session to vote? >> reporter: well, the president is calling for meaningful background checks but remember, he has also threatened to veto background check legislation s mcconnell's desk since february. he says quote i think we will have a good package by the time they come back and they can start debating and voting on it then. tom? >> mary bruce, thank you. next, the severe weather watch after pounding storms in the northeast. several bolts of lightning striking over manhattan in this slo-mo video.
the wildfire is ramping up. more than 80 are burning in the west. evacuations in california. heavy rain triggering flash flooding and mud slides in elk ridge, utah, and dangerous heat from texas across the deep south. rob marciano is tracking it for us tonight. good evening. >> reporter: good evening. the weather pattern is getting more amplified so we are seeing more extremes tonight, including that heat ridge in the deep south. in between, a tornado watch that is posted for south dakota until 9:00 tonight. no reports yet but rough storms moving through the eastern half of the state. in the northwest, the trough bringing severe thunderstorms, erratic winds. red flag warnings for oregon, washington and parts of idaho. things can get dicey tomorrow in the way of thunderstorms in idaho. and the heat continues across the deep south. going to feel like 107 in houston. 107 in dallas. heat advisories up for tomorrow and it does not look like it's going to cool off for a couple days. tom?
new developments tonight in the urgent manhunt for a dangerous fugitive in tennessee. authorities revealing details about the man's deadly escape. here is abc's victor oquendo. >> reporter: tonight, fearful residents near this tennessee penitentiary locking their doors and loading their guns as the manhunt for escaped accused murderer curtis watson enters its third day. >> my dad, actually, has his shotgun, pistol on the side. he's licensed to carry, so -- >> he's ready just in case something happens. >> reporter: officials now with brutal new details on watson's deadly escape. at 7:00 a.m. wednesday, watson, who qualified for minimum security, begins his daily lawn-mowing duties. at 8:30, he's then seen on a facility golf cart at the home of corrections administrator debra johnson who lived on prison grounds. they say it was there that watson allegedly sexually assaulted and killed her. officials finding a cord wrapped around her neck. watson then taking off on a tractor, getting as much as a two-hour head start before anyone knew he was gone. >> we have no reason to believe that he's outside this area
since we have had no credible sightings. >> reporter: tonight, watson's face plastered on billboards across the state. tom, the reward for any information leading to his arrest now topping $50,000. tom? >> till no credible sightings, all right, thank you. there are chilling details about the gunman accused in a mass shooting in the el paso walmart. arrest documents reveal that patrick crusius drove to el paso to target mexicans. he killed 22 people. he is charged with capital murder and hate crime charges could follow. there's still much more ahead on this "world news" this friday. breaking news from north korea. this just coming in, a new missile launch. what we just learned. plus three plane crash survivors rescued at sea. found adrift in that bright yellow raft. and the frightening accident on the beach. a child impaled by a flying umbrella. how he's doing when we come back. back now with a rescue at how he's doing when we come
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one family, one car, and the long love affair that will get your motor running. when you go through wesley ryan's old photos, there was one thing that seems to stick out. that 1993 white ford mustang gt. the san antonio resident loved this car so much he named it christi christine, but in 2001, when wesley's wife laura, his high school sweetheart, was diagnosed with ovarian cancer, the medical bills started to mount. wesley had no choice. he sold the car he loved so much to pay for her cancer treatment. laura eventually beat the disease. their kids grew up. the whole family never forgetting how much that car meant to their father. so wesley's children started saving and searching, finding "christine" on craigslist. the vin number matched. and here's the moment, wesley blindfolded, his kids walking him up to the car he parted with
18 years ago. he can't believe it. his son giving him back the title. at one point, so overcome with emotion, he's unable to even touch the car, finally realizing this is all real. but wesley and christine's story doesn't end here. the ford motor company heard about this journey, what his kids did for him, what the car meant for the family. >> hey! i'm john. >> they sent over hennessey performance, a high-end custom shop for car lovers to give christine a little face lift. actually a full overhaul, starting with a new engine, transmission, custom paint, new interior and cobra style wheels. and when wesley sees christine again, you guessed it, more tears. so how does she sound? now it was wesley's turn.
>> i'm at a loss for words. it's beautiful. >> reporter: a beautiful car and a beautiful moment. >> i never thought i'd be in this situation again, and you guys made it happen. i can't say enough. ford is a huge family. you guys have given my faith and belief again, that we matter, everybody matters. >> enjoy the ride. we know you will. thanks for watching on friday night. i'm tom llamas. see you tomorrow. from david and all of us, good night. night. it could have been so mch worse.
tonight we're live where people are relieved their hopes are unscathed from this grass fire that crept up to their backyard. >> are you ready for back to school? we're checking in with students and districts because having a good education is part of building a better bay area. i'm in downtown san jose where 40,000 jazz fans are expected this weekend. we take a look at security. you are taking a live look at the breaking news. fire crews just rescued a child who fell down a cliff at san francisco's aquatic park. the child has been put onto the ambulance. you can see here because sky 7 is ahead now. >> in the past 15 minutes a person, possibly the child was put on a back board and loaded on a small boat loaded into that ambulance near fort mason. the fire department said that child was on a bicycle and apparently fell down into the water.
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rubio who is reportedly in the mix to be trump's running mate which would make sense given his behavior wrote on social media quote, it's time to fight fire with fire. in response to a new york times piece about recent calls for refry abuse, former white house chief strategist steve bannon echoed stephen miller telling the paper quote, there are dozens of ambitious backbencher state attorneys general and ne district attorneys who need to seize the day and own this moment in history. then there is trump himself. in s an interview earlier this week he suggested hillary clinton be jailed in response to his guilty verdict. and here's what he said at his florida home yesterday in a fox news interview last night with sean hannity where you see hannity trying to get him to the right answer but no. take a listen. >> you can't gag a nominee. can you imagine you're running for office and you gag. you're not allowed to talk. when that happens we are no longer a democracy. and we're not going to let that happen. and i know a lot of republicans who want retribution. they want to do that we're going to see what happens. >> people are claiming you want retribution. people are claiming you want u what has happened to you done to democrats. would you ondo that ever? >> look, what's happened to me has never happened in this country before. and it has to stop because -- >> wait a minute, i want to hear that again. it has to stop. >> we're not going to have a country. >> if you're elected awhat doe that mean? define that. >> what i've gone through nobody's ever gone through. i'm a very legitimate person. i built a great business. >> focus on those that want people to believe that you want retribution. that you will use the system of justice to go after your political enemies. >> number one, they're wrong. it onhas to stop. otherwise we're not going to have a country. look, when this election is over, based on what they've done, i would have every right to go after them. it's easy because it's joe biden and you see all the criminality. >> will you pledge to restore equal justice? equal application of our laws? end this practice of weaponnization? is that a promise? >> you have to do it. but it's awful. look, i know you want -- >> i'm asking. >> i don't want to look naive. what they've done to the republican party, they want to arrest on no crime. i will do everything in my power not to let, but this tremendous criminality here. what they're doing to me if it's going to continue we're really not going to have much of a country left. >> okay, willie. help me >>out here. first of all, no criminality. this was not biden's justice department in the criminal trial in new york city. it was a yjury of donald trump peers, 12 people and alternates. just to fact check him right there. but also hannity, mr. softball, setting him up saying come on, come on, you wouldn't actually have retribution. you don't mean that. of course he's like yes, i do. just like what the documents. when hannity was like come on, you didn't actually take the documents. donald trump is kenot messing around. he promises retribution and as he even told hannity when hannity gave him a chance to semi cover it he will serve it up. so, with that, i mean i'm not sure what more people need to know given a lot of things donald trump has promise have had come to pass. >> i'm not smiling about the substance of what the president said, i'm smiling with what you put your finger on which is this entire genre of interview where sean hannity embeds the answer into his question and tries to lead donald. i wish my oral exams in high school and college were like that where the teacher would just nod along and give you the answer. that's the way they do it. he said donald trump in the remarks we played before that clip he said a malot of people are saying they're going to want retribution. so he likes to separate himself but obviously he means himself and obviously sending cues to others about what should happen. again, he was charged, he was tried, he was convicted by a jury of his peers in new york. the fact that he took classified documents back to his beach club is not some imagined conspiracy against him. he did. hing we'll see what happens in that trial as it moves forward. he wants retribution against people, the justice department, the fbi who are actually bringing him to justice on things that he did or is alleged to have done. let's bring to the conversation -- yeah. >> one thing before we get to our guests. it's so interesting to me that n he says this has never happened before and that's why something needs to be done. in every case, well, i will say in the most clear cases because obviously we have to wait for the law to play out. but in the case of the documents you see the pictures. he says he took them. he says they're his. he admits to the crime. in the case of the hush money. criminal trial where 34 felony counts against donald trump came up guilty, there was evidence presented in court that backed it up. so yes, yes, mr. president, former president trump, this hasn't happened before. there hasn't been a former president who had sex with a porn star while his wife was pregnant and then years later before a campaign was to get into full swing paid off through hush money through a fixture breaking campaign finance laws and having fraudulent business records. i mean that is not happened before. he's right, otit hasn't happene before. but it's unfortunately what happened to him because of his own actions. >> right. and change the suspect from subject to some imagined conspiracy that suggests the government is out to get him. let's bring in ceo of the massina group jim massina. and ran obama's 2012 reelection campaign 20successfully, of course. jim, great to see you. you often are the guy who comes in and sort of tries to calm the nerves a bit of democrats b when they get panicky. not in some polly anish way, but looking at data, looking at normals. let's talk about the fundraising that scared a lot of democrats after donald trump was convicted last week on 34 felony counts. raised a boatload of money. put that into some perspective though as compared to how the biden campaign is doing. >> yeah, if you look at the overall numbers biden continues to have a very healthy fundraising lead. has way more money in eathe ban i know this sounds geeky, but the truth is joe biden's money is all small donors whereas donald trump's money is from m big donors who are giving to his super pacs. that ad buying later in the campaign is more expensive. they can't get the lowest unit rate. most importantly, the one thing you can't make more of in a presidential election is time. we're 152 days out and the biden campaign has over 150 field offices staffed with paid staffers in the battleground states. donald trump has zero. so every day these people are talking to voters both their own base and these swing voters and you just can't replicate that with money. we always knew that trump was going to catch up weafter he go the nomination. he clearly had an outstanding day after his criminal conviction. it's a little cynical they raised a bunch of money after he was found guilty of 34 felony counts. it y is what it is. overall the biden campaign is doing what they need to do which is build a massive army in these battleground states. >> the biden campaign looking forward to that first debate as a moment to change fra joke tour of the race. we're seeing polls shift a little bit towards the president. let's owget you to weight in yesterday. this wall street journal story about the president's age. we can set aside the marriage of the journalism. there were flaws in the story we covered at length yesterday. polls suggest some americans think the president is too old for office. we know donald trump just a couple years younger. if you were still in the white house, what would your communication strategy be to simply manage the issue. fair or not it's out there. how would you suggest the white house and campaign handle it? >> by doing exactly what they're doing. getting him out there as much e as they can. about getting an early debate. you're exactly right. it is an issue. people have questions about it. we all remember at the state of the union he did a master performance and looked on top of his game and the polls rose then. this debate moment is really, really big for them. i can't believe donald trump is letting them have it. people expect joe biden to not be as good as donald trump. trump has set all the expectations to the top activity moon. he's this great or tore. he's this great guy. joe's sleepy joe, et cetera. joe biden goes in there and has a good debate and it's going to significantly make people think about their perceptions of this race. i think it'll be a very big moment and i think biden was very smart to ask for a debate as early as he could get it. >> we'll be right back with 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they were going to fight for democracy. all these years later, 80 years later, democracy is again in peril. that's a fact. that's a fact. listening to donald trump, that's a fact we have to live with. that's a fact that americans are going to have to make up their minds about. what kind after country do we want going forward? >> we may hear some of that theme from president biden tomorrow at normandy when he delivers the address. he'll be there all week as you reported yesterday. he'll be at bella woods later in the week the world war i site. talking about the young men who frankly saved the world in those days, weeks and months but also about bringing it to today and the threats of democracy here. >> it's hard not to be almost emotional thinking about this scene with eisenhower. we'll hear from the president several times this week. his remarks tomorrow will be relatively brief. it's the next day, the friday where he goes where ronald reagan delivered his famous speech. talking about yes, the sacrifices of 80 years ago that helped save the world. but connecting it to today. the battle we're seeing in ukraine. also just the need to affirm and rebuild democracies across the globe. i'm told the odds are against him invoking donald trump by name. trump will shadow this. he will draw an implicit contrast to the future that trump will bring versus the one that he would. one with allies. one with defending democracy. we know donald trump will take a different approach to the ukraine war working to be returned to office. he almost pulled autoof nato on the eve of going to helsinki. we'll hear that in grand terms from president biden in what aides tell me will be one of the most important speeches he delivers this year. one that will not on the surface be a campaign speech. >> yeah. we just talk about the choices. mike talking about the choices. we hear what he said about hillary clinton. we're talking about nato. donald trump trying to undermine nato. said he wanted to undermine nato. said a couple months ago he encouraged vladimir putin to invade nato countries if they didn't have sort of defense structure that he wants them to have. of course he talked about putting hillary clinton in jail. throwing political opponents in jail. his people have talked about throwing us in jail. throwing people that run this show in jail. they've talked about throwing media companies in jail that are insufficiently loyal. he talks about executing chairmans of the joint chiefs of staff who are insufficiently politically loyal to him. he talks about terminating the constitution. he talks about using seal team six to execute political opponents and says that he would be immune from that. he had his lawyers argue that in court. go through all of it and it is extraordinary. it's extraordinary that this man is talking like an autocrat. talking like putin and that right now this race is too close to call. >> i think it's really worth pointing out that the difference between trump in 2020 and trump in 2024 and trump in 2016 is this time around his team and campaign are much more focused on how they would do exactly the kinds of things you've spoken about. they've drawn up the policy papers. they've dug in to the workings of the american government to see how they could effectively take control of the fcc. of the doj. use the irs against political opponents of theirs. they've been very honest about the idea of using this second administration for retribution against those people who have counted donald trump. it's sometimes easy with donald trump because we hear so many things that are out of the norm they go well, it's just another thing donald trump says. behind donald trump in 2024 is a whole infrastructure of people putting in place the plans to follow up with the kinds of things that donald trump is saying out on the campaign trail. they didn't manage to do much of it in 2016 because they weren't prepared. this time around they're making sure they are prepared. >> so the group republican voters against trump is launching a new billboard ad campaign looking to persuade moderate republicans and republican leaning voters in four swing states. the billboards feature former trump voters who now say they won't vote for him in the wake of his conviction last week in his new york city criminal trial. let's bring in the executive director of republican voters against trump sarah longwell. she's also a publisher and host of the focus group podcast. thank you so much for joining us. to tell us more about this campaign and what you're hearing from republican voters. >> question after the conviction, the political question is will voters care? and from our perspective you have to help make them care. the republicans are out there right now and they are building their own narrative. building their own echo chamber. they are all singing from the same song sheet that this was rigged, that we have a two tier justice system. we have to go on offense right now and make sure voters understand how unique, how historically unique in a desperately dark way it is to have a convicted felon running for president. so our program republican voters against trump, it hick hinges on a key theory which is you need credible messengers to speak to these vote percent. we have hundreds of people who voted for trump in the past, many voted for him twice who are explaining and there's testimonials all over our website explaining why they won't vote for trump again. but after the conviction we wanted to make sure that it stuck with people. we have watched donald trump extraordinary things have happened. like his own vice president not endorsing him. and yet it kind of just rolls off voters minds. trump's been around for a long time. we have two functional incumbents and that create as dynamic where voters aren't as tuned in in ways they might have. you have to go on offense. you have to have strong affirmative messaging to make sure things stick in the mind of voters. you can't count on the idea that voters hear conviction and walk away. you have to help them understand why this is so extraordinary. why what he defense wrong and why he's too dangerous to be in the white house. >> to that point about the difficulty in making things stick to trump. we live in a world where it seems like everyone's attention span is a few fleeting moments. so it's not just there's a conviction. conviction happened at the end of may. here we are the first few days of june. we're still five months to the election. how do you get it to resinate to stay in the forefront of voters minds not just now but as they head into the ballot box? >> this is one of the ways democrats have to figure out how they're going to do their messaging strategy. i think that oftentimes they get really fractured around messaging and have a difficult time going on offense as opposed to playing defense. so part of this is to make sure that acknowledging donald trump's conviction is a regular feature in the way that democrats are talking about him. and not just joe biden. joe biden as a messenger has a particular role i think to explain to the country what he's going to do over the next four years. but democrats need an army of surrogates who are out there making an affirmative case. going on offense. going on attack against donald trump. making sure the countriens understands. and that he's a been convicted of sexual assault and that he's been convicted for, you know, the things he did with the trump org and reminding people of january 6th. it is really, this is going to be a choice about who is the the lesser of two evils and you have to have voters understand trump is the greater of evils. >> liable of sexual abuse, defamation and massive fraud. and then convicted felon who is openly hell bent on revenge. that's what voters have to consider. sarah longwell. thank you for being on this morning. >> coming up, new reporting on how closely europe is watching the upcoming u.s. election. we'll be right back. l be right. i brought in ensure max protein with 30 grams of protein! those who tried me felt more energy in just two weeks. -ugh. -here, i'll take that. woo hoo! ensure max protein, 30 grams protein, 1 gram sugar, 25 vitamins and minerals. and a new fiber blend with a prebiotic. 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in these interviews was existential. if donald trump comes back, we made it through the first trump term. and it took a toll on the transatlantic relationship. but they made it through. they said if he comes back given what he's been saying about nato, given what he's been saying about russia, the war in ukraine, they're really afraid that it will be the end of nato and the beginning of a new stage of russian aggression that europe frankly isn't prepared for without america's support. >> so mckay, let's dive into that more. there's been from president macron of france this effort to make europe less dependent on the u.s. in terms of our military and financial strength. what other steps are he and his fellow european leaders taking to try to if you will trump proof what they're doing right now ahead of his possible return? >> yeah, there have been a number of efforts recently proposed. one of them as you mentioned is, you know, developing defense autonomy in europe in a way that would potentially channel funds away from nato which really does rely on america and toward the european defense alliance. there's been talk of taking the responsibility for arming ukraine, literal logistical responsibility out of america's hands and putting that in nato's hands because they don't know if a future trump administration would abandon the war or not. really the biggest change has been that a lot of european allies are spending a lot more now on their own defense. and this is one thing that, you know, trump takes credit for and i have to say a lot of the european officials i spoke to grudgingly gave him some credit for. they said trump by kind of being so vociferous about this issue that european allies aren't spending enough on defense has sort of bullied a lot of these countries into spending more, but it's come at a cost. and that cost is that these european countries while they are now spending more on collective defense, contributing more to nato, also don't trust america as a long term ally the way they have for the last 75 years. when america becomes an unpredictable power or a transactional power, that changes the entire global order in ways that i don't think we can predict right now. >> sure does. >> and we heard back in i think it was 2018, 2019 angela merkel saying we can no longer depend on the united states basically with trump because he's so erratic. we'll have to defend ourselves. it's something macron said as well. if donald trump's making them spend more money on defense because they're spending more money on defense because they know they can't count on the united states in their minds if donald trump is president of the united states. mckay writes this also, that almost every official i spoke with believed that trump is going to win. i hear that an awful lot from europe and i hear from across the world. i think claire, we should probably tell our friends not to bet too many euros or pounds on that fact because what you see on tv may not be what ends up happening at the voting booths for swing voters in wisconsin, michigan and pennsylvania. >> yeah, those three states particularly where really biden has never been more than a point or two behind and in polls has been ahead. those three states are incredibly important. mckay, i wanted to ask you about what's going on in europe domestically in terms of their politics. we have seen in the united states populism and anti- immigration that has really roiled our politics here. what is happening in that front in europe? it looks from a distance that they're having some of the same issues internally within the conservative parties there. the antiimmigration, the populism. is that something that europe is also worried about? >> oh, no question. the fear of trump's return in europe is of a piece with the fear of a broader rise of right wing populism and nationalism. we've seen it in the uk. italy. in germany the afd party. the far right party. there was one recent poll that found 25% of germans now identify with that party. and that's a pretty extreme party. so there's no question that throughout western democracies and really in europe especially we have seen a lot of the same forces that contributed to trump's rise. in some ways the europeans understand trump through that prism. they're saying, you know, we get it, we have our own issues here. if some of our allies have elected leaders like donald trump. it's different when it happens in america. america is not only the lynch pin of the nato alliance. it is in a lot of ways seen as kind of the big brother. european countries rely on america for security, they rely on it for leadership. they rely on america to set an example to the world for what a well functioning western democracy should look like. a lot of the anxiety about this election in europe stems from the fact that they're seeing this chaos in american democracy and wondering if the city on a hill can still be looked to as an example. and that 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ground. thanks for being with us again this morning. you ran for congress in the state of maryland. fell a little short l but did have some money leftover from that campaign. tell us more about what you plan to do with it. >> thanks for having me on. always good to be on with you all. we did fall short, but the reason why i ran was to do everything i can to continue to fight for democracy. to fight to preserve our constitution. and to fight to stop maga extremists. at the very top of the ticket, donald trump. we did raise millions of dollars in a very short period of time and what that told me is that a lot of people across the country that message of our democracy, the threat of losing it. the threat of this being our potential last free and fair election resinates with a lot of people. it's at the top of peoples minds. what we'll do is continue to use that momentum to continue to go across the country. up and down the ballot. and elect democrats and stop maga republicans. also fight 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and of course the courtroom scene. so much there. and then i realized -- but as i first started into it i was nauseous. i was nauseated. i thought i can't do this part. then it tripped over into i'm excited to do this part. >> that's what i was going to ask you at some point as an actor as repulsive as the man is there's something about getting into the character and playing it that's rich for you professionally, i think. >> yes, yes. really you're going to enter into you've got to put on armor about your morality and everything else and you become, you know, a jedi knight of denial which we have a few of those these days. >> we do. seems to be going around. >> i remember talking to a friend connie who said yeah, that murdaugh guy it's like old satan looked at him and went whoa, dude. like you're bad. >> how did you prepare for the role? not just someone who satan would say that about but someone who is so timely. who is alive. who their developments in the case as we speak. how much 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>> i think he's listening to me. they were going to go into rafah fullbore, invade all of rafah can go into the city, take it out, move with full force. they haven't done that. what they have done is they have agreed to a significant agreement that if, in fact, i must accept it, look, it is being backed by egypt, being backed by the saudis, being backed by almost of the home arab world. we will see. this is a very difficult time. >> richard hoss, he's right about who's backing it, everyone except the two parties involved in the war to have this cease-fire come about and perhaps an end to the war. hamas says it will not agree to the terms. israel says it will not agree to anything that does not include eradicating hamas as israel puts it. where does that leave us ? >> it was exactly a week ago today president biden went out and announced this three phase plan and the wait was represented a week ago that it was sent to the israel's plan and the idea was to get hamas to sign on. israel backed away from it, if they ever signed onto it to begin with. hamas, as you saw, has now said it won't accept a temporary cease-fire, which is phase one of the plan. it seems to have been stillborn. what we are looking at is the other part of the news this morning. you are going to have continued israeli military operations, inevitably, no matter how careful israel is, because of co-location of hamas with civilians, you will see this kind of stories you have for people, innocent people are going to be killed, along with hamas militants. my guess is we will see this for some time. this will go on, the israeli national security advisor said military operations will continue through the end of the year. i don't see any reason to doubt that. i think the real question is whether we see an escalation of fighting as things dial down somewhat in gaza in the north between israel and hezbollah. that has been the most recent news out of israel. the idea that we are on a precipice of peace somehow, actually, the opposite is more the reality. i hate to be so depressing this morning but i think we are looking at open ended but low level war in gaza with the danger of escalation in the north in southern lebanon. coming up, ed luce of "the financial times," will tell us his new piece, titled "biden respects the law, trump does not and what that could mean for the election." ♪ ♪ have you always had trouble losing weight and keeping it off? 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" in it, you write "the trump biden cases is a tale of two parties. biden could have spared his son his judicial ordeal by pardoning him, a tool that trump used for political associates who were jailed. if the president is breaking the system, he has a funny way of showing it. hunter biden may or may not merit jail time. ditto for trump in his hush money case. but these are mere sideshows. one of america's potential presidents respects the rule of law. the other does not. everything else pales in comparison." i think that is why "wall street journal," article does when it was so frustrating because of the difference between these two candidates. >> the moral equivalence. we talked about you can look at that article versus donald trump for getting up world war ii existed, forgetting barack obama is not still president and then also you could just do, again, the false moral equivocation between january the sixth, the riot, trump's role in that and joe biden forgiving student loan debt. we get all these false comparisons. i've got to say one of the most maddening has been donald trump stealing nuclear secrets versus hunter biden and whatever republicans decide at the time is a great risk to america's national security because of what hunter biden did. >> the key point here is america's system is working, it is intact. both donald trump last week and hunter biden in wilmington for the next couple of weeks are receiving trial by jury, due process, they will have the right of appeal. i've no idea whether hunter biden will be convicted or acquitted but i do know that he has two cases against him. the second of which, the tax case starts on september the fifth at the beginning of the general election in california. biden could at any point to stop this from happening. he's not, he's not interfering. there is no rigging coming from this president. where it is coming from is the supreme court. we will get them later this month, presumably later this month. they might prevaricate even longer. later this month, finally coming down with their ruling on what should have been an open and shut case about whether the resident has immunity for whatever he does in office, thereby ensuring trump will not be held accountable for january 6th in court before november the fifth. that is the real story going on here. the trial is in wilmington. i have no great insight to what is going to happen there but the trial in wilmington is the rule of law taking its normal course, as was the case in new york last week. what is happening in the supreme court is judicial interference in the political process. >> so, ed, you have the gift of being able to look at america and american politics from the distance created by your birth. you are not from here. you weren't born here. so, when you look at it and you write about it, as you did today, and you mentioned the supreme court slowing things down, making it almost impossible for a trial in the january 6th or the papers kept at mar-a-lago, a trial for most things are happening prior to election and hunter biden on trial today in wilmington, what is your sense of what would happen to the system, and the rule of law if hunter biden is acquitted and what is your sense of what other countries, other nations think and view this when they look at what is happening in america? >> that is a great question. it is a remarkable moment that we are having. the first conviction of a former president and the first trial of a child of a sitting president happening in the space of a few days of each other. i have no doubt if hunter biden is convicted, there is not going to be an uproar on the democratic side, there isn't going to be accusations of bigoted justice, even though the judge is trump appointed, there's no reason to believe that judge is a hatchet job kind of charge. if, however, hunter biden is acquitted, all conspiratorial hell will break loose. you mentioned the other trump trial that isn't going to happen, the one in florida, the federal trial that judge aileen canon is in charge of. she is finding extraordinary time delaying tactics, once that nobody had ever thought of. the latest is whether the special prosecutor, smith, was unconstitutionally appointed and she's going to hear arguments about that. she is finding any and every excuse, including invented ones not to hear this case. it is an extraordinary example of justice delayed being justice denied. and, i think that is what foreigners are kind of gob smacked by when they watch this. >> it is, you bring up judge aileen canon in florida on the documents case, which is really one of the most serious cases against donald trump and resounding as well, given all the documents were hidden at mar-a-lago and he tried to hide them again as the government was trying to get them back. and, the, it is frustrating to see what is happening. it is also the judge that we got, the judge that is, in this case, the judge that was given this case. that 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adult film star to stay quiet before the presidential election, there are consequences. >> there are indeed consequences. there is some connective tissue between this and the other case you mentioned, the recent conviction of former president trump. that can connective tissue is robert castillo, steve bannon's attorney and the attorney on whose advice he says he relied in ignoring that congressional subpoena. steve bannon wanted to argue, this was the crux of his appeal, that he was entitled to reasonably rely on bob castillo's advice that he should blow off the subpoena because trump was going to invoke executive privilege. the only problem with that is twofold. one, he was repeatedly advised by trump campaign lawyers that is not, in fact, what the former president intended to do for steve bannon, in part because steve bannon had been out of government for three years. the other problem is there is a 1961 case by the d.c. circuit this is where contempt charges are concerned, it is no defense to say i relied on the advice of counsel. it was that decision that a recent d.c. circuit panel reaffirmed and it is on that basis that yesterday, judge carl nichols of the d.c. district court said, you know, sir, vista longer presents substantial questions of law. i'm going to the the state of your sentence and you need to report by july 1st. >> will come as no surprise to anyone that donald trump took to social media to really get this, calling it, "a total and complete american tragedy that the duke joe biden department of justice is --" it is interesting. steve bannon has said he will appeal again and looking to push off the july 1st report date. tell us what mechanism that would be. is there a chance of success? or, is he going to go in july 1st ? steve bannon does not officially work for the trump campaign. he is an informal advisor and a large maga voice. if he goes in july 1st, he will be silenced for the stretch run of the collection. >> that is likely true when i 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" one of the recipients of the great was the american institute for boys and men. joining us now is that organizations president, richard reeves. also with us, repressor of marketing at the nyu stern school of business, scott galloway. good to have you both. richard, i will toss to you first and ask why this grant makes sense overall for women's rights. >> well, i think what melinda french gates has realized is that a world of floundering men is difficult to be a will to flourishing women. we do have to rise together. and, the young men and investing in education and mental health is going to be good for women. men and women will be raising children together. there's evidence that many young men are struggling in education and mental health, especially young men and men of color above all. i think it is a recognition that the gender equality movement has to expand to include boys and men as well. coming from figure with such prominence of melinda french gates was such a strong track record of leadership, i think it sends a strong signal that we do need to include boys and men in this conversation. >> to your point, scott galloway, you have been a great force on this on the state of young men in america right now. explain the challenges. equality doesn't necessarily mean that each side is the same. men and women have differences. what is happening to young men is equally, potentially as disturbing. >> could be with you and congratulations to my friend richard reeves. this is a great american story. unfortunately, young men are paying for the advantage that me and my father received. so, there is a lack of empathy. richard turned me onto this great quote, "empathy is not a zero-sum game, civil rights didn't hurt white people." to richard's point, what he's always said he's who wants more economically and emotionally viable young men? women. women, of the tract, as they are doing, especially younger men, they are more prone to nationalist content, they are more prone to misogynistic content. >> you know, richard, it is so fascinating. maybe five years ago, when people like scott galloway three years ago were talking about this and a lot of people through their hands up, my god, how dare you talk about boys when men have been dominant through, you know, for thousands and thousands of years. you heard those complaints. on a very personal level but so much anecdotal evidence that i suspect a lot of people here in this are young women talking to mika and me going where are the men to date, where are the men that understand the basics? and, there's this horrible choice. on one side, you do have again, all anecdotal but you have, well, i'm not going to wander into that minefield what i was about to say. let's just say younger women are understanding the costs of the mail crisis right now. >> they are living the cost. >> they are living the cost of it. >> what is interesting, these stories you say anecdotal but it is in the evidence, it is in the data. there is a big gender gap in college today than there was in the 70s. the biggest rise in suicide rates, tragically, has been among young men. we are losing 40,000 men a year to suicide. what i discovered is, among parents if you have a boy in the k-12 education system, you kind of get this immediately. if you have a doctor in the dating market, you kind of get this immediately too. and, realizing you just can't separate these things out and it is not a betrayal of the ideals of gender equality to start dealing with issues of boys and young men. it is the application of the ideals of gender equality. it is not a zero-sum game. i think that penny is dropping. the people are realizing we cannot neglect the problems of boys and men if we want a world that is better for all of us. >> i was particularly interested with what ms. gates has done. i salute her for it in terms of investing also in young boys and men and i think you or richard mentioned young boys and men of color. many of us in any study has shown disproportionately are raised by single mothers. i was one of them. to help those young boys and men that are buttressed by programs like yours, and to develop them, also helps the single mothers who are trying to balance life. talk about the challenge of that and how this could be helpful. >> reverend, you and i said that, we were raised by superheroes. my mother was an immigrant who lived and died a secretary, raced me on her own. what the research shows is the single point of failure, if you were to reverse engineer and why men are struggling is when they lose a male role model. the second most single-parent household, which is latin for a woman heading a household alone, just behind sweden. as richard's work has pointed out, the vast majority of people in primary school education are women. a boy is twice as likely to be suspended for the same behavior in school and five times as likely if he is black boy. would you have is an entire cohort of men being raised without male influence. what is equally interesting is girls have similar outcomes in single-parent households, same college attendance, same rates of self-harm. what richards research has shown is that while boys are physically stronger, they are mentally and emotionally weaker and we need to knowledge that. we need a group of thriving gunmen. how many times have we heard people say i know it time of young single women who are great and i can't find men for them. you can't find men for them, just not any man they want. we need to level up young people in general, specifically young men. coming up, historian doris kearns goodwin on how looking at america through a historical lens can help make sense of the issues facing our country today. try today. 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jonathan amir, joining us now, presidential historian, doris kearns goodwin. so good to have you with us. >> what a time. >> let's start with president biden making some of his most candid comments yet about former president trump's criminal conviction at a fundraiser in connecticut last night. the president called trump "a convicted felon who stopped after the 2020 election." the president addressed the attacks trump and his allies have lobbed at the justice system. biden's of the former president, "wants you to believe it is already. nothing could be further from the truth. it is reckless and dangerous for anyone to say it is rigged just because they don't like the outcome." biden added, "the justice system is a core of american democracy and we should never allow anyone to tear it down." biden continued, "here is what is becoming clearer and clearer every day. the threat trump poses in his second term would be greater than his first. this isn't the same trump that got elected in 2016." biden said, "he is worse." doris, this is joe biden using the term convicted felon, a private fundraiser in connecticut, as john has been telling us, this is something we may hear more of from the biden campaign. they now officially are running against a man convicted of 34 felonies. how do you think that figures into the race ? >> every event affects the next event and i was going to think this project will affect how the conventions will happen. president trump has put out is we are a backward country, we are a country that is corrupt, we are a country that looks like a third world country and all of our systems are corrupt. i just don't think the american people are going to feel that way. one of the things i look at when i look at history is the backward look and the negative look as not working campaigns. i think biden understands that. when dragon was running against carter, carter talked about the malaise of the people, that it was a crisis of confidence in the people and we can comes along and says it's not the people, it's leadership that has failed and i am here to provide the leadership. the same thing happened when hoover talked about there's not much he could do about the depression because the government would weaken the people and he was going to hope we were getting through it somehow around the corner prosperity would come and fdr says it's not the people that is the problem, it is your leadership and i'm going to do action. biden is on a good stand, in a certain sense, to talk about the rule of law, to talk about the country being a country that is not corrupt and to make that a contrast. i think this is going to be something, we don't know how. the debate could change everything, the conventions could change everything, events could change everything but right now, this will affect the tone of the campaign. >> this darkness, this dim view of the country presented by donald trump, this american carnage as he called it in his inauguration address way back. i guess it resonates with his base, it resonates with some people but the point you're making is you have to win more than your base to win an election. perhaps an optimistic message is the way to go for president biden. >> i think about the fact that when you are nominated, and he's about to be, you have to expand your base. i think back to 1964 in the republican convention and barry goldwater. what happens there is governor rockefeller, new york governor rockefeller, popular person in the party is trying to argue for a different platform, a civil rights platform. he gets shouted down and it all on television and it looks like the party has narrowed itself. they said in many ways, goldwater lost the election at that convention. when you do something like canceling larry hogan out, you need him, you need him in the senate and you are narrowing your party by saying you can't even say this verdict should be followed because it is a verdict that it is the rule of law. it hadn't even begun yet, he had said it before, it was a natural thing to say about our system. >> we have the moment you describe just from 1964. let's take a look. >> i would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. let me remind you also that moderation and the pursuit of justice is no virtue. >> doris, 1964 is really instructive. i will also say, obviously, fdr, a sense of optimism, we have nothing to fear but fear itself. the band play in happy days are here again. ronald reagan, it's morning in america. i truly believe america's greatest days lie ahead. it is always the optimism that rules the day. still ahead, legendary e street band guitarist steve van zandt on his remarkable life and career in music and show business. business. keep those expectations with reliable ground shipping. thanks brandon. with usps ground advantage®. ♪♪ it's hard to run a business on your own. make it easier on yourself. with shopify, you can have your inventory, payments, and 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worked. >> we were fans. stephen got married and bruce was the best man. it was the wedding band from "the godfather." >> i heard it was really great. i don't remember a thing but that's what i heard. >> that was a look at the new documentary titled "steve van zandt, disciple." the film follows the life of the musician and actor from his humble beginnings in new jersey to the apex of his one-of-a- kind career, performing along bruce pristine and james gandolfini in "the sopranos." tuning is now, stevie van zandt, also the films director. i can't wait to see this. tell us why now, why did you decide this was the moment? >> he chased me for how long ? >> a long time, 2006 and years and years of trying to get, let me do this film. >> i'm not comfortable being the center of attention. that is just a fact. i didn't even want to be in it at first. >> he's not in the early cut. you have to be in the movie. >> it would be hard to do without him in it. >> there's a lot of footage out there. anyway, they worked on it for two years before i agreed to be in it. i think, look, and and, we talked about what is the purpose of this thing and it is about the work. getting the work exposed as much as we can because, you know, that is one of the things i've always had trouble balancing that art and commerce thing. >> can you explain how hard is it to explain the coordination of a band? you are in a big and, in a group of guys on stage in the synchronization of the shows always amaze me, you know what someone is going to do before they do it and you do your thing. >> well, we really have a long time. let's face it. that helps. a bit of esp goes on after a while. in the beginning, we had to be really good before we even got in the business. we had to be good life. that really, we had very high standards, growing up in the 60s. we had to compare ourselves to the beatles and the rolling stones and the who, very high standards. a lot of history, i think, bill got into it in the film. >> tell us exactly that. what are some of the things we will see, people who know stevie van zandt from the states or the screen, what are they going to see, what are they going to learn from this film ? >> telling them the whole breath and scope of the work and career and love of rock 'n roll is interesting. i think people may know him from television, from his acting, or they may know him for his music but they don't know he had the first branded satellite radio station, the first streaming television show. was a producer and writer and director. they may not know that the way, the things he does for education and they may not know his record label. there's so much to stevie van zandt beyond that music and we also get to expose the story of his amazing music, his friendship with bruce, his beautiful love story with his wife. he sees all thing. and then south africa. people may not know that silvio dante helped free nelson mandela and end apartheid. it is a pretty good resume. >> did you ever think from watertown, massachusetts to where you are today, the envelope you had to shoot through in terms of fate and lack is incredibly small. how often do you think about that ? >> about every hour. no doubt, we are the luckiest generation ever and i am the luckiest guy in the luckiest generation. i'm so grateful, first of all that somebody would have an interest in making a movie about me. that is incredible already. i am honored that bill and the guys really spent their time doing that. destiny plays a role. if my mother hadn't remarried, my father adopted me and brought me from boston to new jersey, you know, i would have never gotten into the new jersey scene. if david chase hadn't happened to be clicking around, he wouldn't see me in dr. rascals and i want to get that guy on my new tv show "the sopranos." there's a lot of detail in my book and i think bill, bill was, the conversations we had, i haven't seen the film myself at ceramic just to see what happens. >> you haven't seen it ? >> that is all the time we have this weekend. we will see you tomorrow at 6:00 a.m. eastern for more morning joe. until then, enjoy the rest of your sunday. your sunday. good morning. it's sunday, june 9. i'm alicia menendez. with michael steele and symone sanders townsend. we are following president biden on his final day in france and the appearance of his message