ground owned by the people of the united states of america. >> hal: and i -- i just see our country -- it's very nuanced and private property is bedrock. but public lands have worked. >> anthony: but you're talking big governments stepping in and saying we're taking all this land and we are going to protect it from exploitation by capitalists. >> land: public land management is not perfect for anybody but it's a path forward. it's not happening anywhere else in the world and the reason it came here is because we are such a great country. but as we move into the future, it's going to take everybody understanding how unique it is to america. >> anthony: to say that hunting and conservation are intertwined -- >> dan bailey: it is an absolute fact! >> anthony: it is an absolute fact but it is a really painful admission. that we are the masters of this environment whether we like it or not. >> joe rogan: as thinking beings we are the only ones in the food chain that understand the consequences of the imbalance and therefore we do have a right to take care of this thing and manage it. when it comes to animals that can alter their environment,