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British Prime Minister to resign Mary has outlined a shift in approach to Bracks it were a Parliamentary to reject an amended version of the current draft deal and it could see the process extended house having rejected leaving with the deal negotiated with the e.u. Then rejects leaving on the 29th of March without a withdrawal agreement in future framework the government will on the 14th of March bring forward a motion on whether parliament wants to seek a short limited extension to Article 15. And if the House votes for an extension seek to agree that extension approved by the house with the e.u. And bring forward the necessary legislation to change the exit date commensurate with that extension. Customs officials are investigating whether $90000.00 bottles of vodka seized from a Chinese cargo vessel were destined for the North Korean leader and a Holligan is in the Hague hundreds of cardboard boxes packed with a Russian vodka were hidden beneath the fuselage of an aircraft on board China was listed as the freighters final port but an alert sent from Hamburg ignited Dutch customs officers suspicions that the shipments was actually destined for the North Korean capital Pyongyang the communist country is currently under un sanctions which include a world wide ban on the export of luxury items Kim Jong Il is famous for his expensive tastes in cars and alcohol while many of his people live in extreme poverty Ukraine is searching for a new artist to represent it at this year's Eurovision song contest after aroud links to terms with Russia that saw its entrance being dropped on a course and won the national violin and some final on Saturday but she'd been criticized for planning to perform in Russia a move seen as on Patry Arctic b.b.c. News. You're listening to the news room from the b.b.c. World Service with me Clare McDonnell We will have more on the breaking news from the Palace of Westminster the House of Commons here in London the BRICs it the process by which the u.k. Leaves the e.u. Could now be delayed the prime minister to resign is currently speaking in the House of Commons will cross live there in just a few moments time for 1st let's go to India and Pakistan because tensions between the 2 countries have escalated significantly after India conducted air strikes within Pakistan's territory the Pakistani Foreign Minister Shah Mehmood Qureshi has warned there will be retaliation India has committed armed. Aggression rich Pakistan Shiela wristband at the time and place of accusing earlier Indian Foreign Secretary Clay said the target was a training camp of Jaish e Mohammed a militant group responsible for a recent attack in Indian administered Kashmir that killed 40 Indian soldiers from Delhi sent you to my school said this report for India's foreign secretary bedraggled claim who is the top civil servant here so they started his statement by claiming that there are massive training camps capable of training hundreds of jihadists in Pakistan administered Kashmir he said they could not be operating without the knowledge of the Pakistani government he went on to claim that India had credible evidence that there are side attacks were about to take place across this country he said as a result India had no option but to what it called non military preemptive strikes . In the early hours of today. The biggest training camp. In this operation a very large number of Josh among the terrorists trainers said. Bounders groups of Jihad these who are being trained for for the interaction were eliminated . That India remains committed to taking all necessary measures to fight militants he went on to say that there was a desire to minimize civilian casualties and as a result this strike a taken place in a hilltop camp there was a forested area and by calling on Pakistan to cooperate with India when dealing with terrorism. Entirely Well for more on the Pakistani perspective on this strike I spoke to us a ferry from b.b.c. He is in Islamabad Pakistan says that Indian aircrafts did while it Pakistani airspace but they returned when Pakistan scrambled jets and while they were returning offloaded some payload like bombs but it wasn't targeted it fell into open space and had no effect at all but after this incident since this morning there have been a series of meeting taking place with prime minister and interior he has a summer session of the joints parliament and also he is chairing a meeting tomorrow of the National Command Authority this is highest level body defense related decision making is happens in this in this the National Command Authority meeting as if we heard the Indian government say you know we have intelligence that there are these training camps for militants belonging to this group just Pakistan of knowledge that in Hamad is operating in their territory. Not at all you know a similar strike took place 2 years ago in the sector closer to the line of control when Indian soldiers crossed the line of control which is a disputed border border between India and Pakistan and claimed the killing scores of militants while they were under training in a camp on Pakistani side Pakistan had completely denied that incident ever took place and also denied that any militant activity is taking place in Pakistan safe for Ricky speaking to me from Islamabad. Now he was the 3rd most powerful official in the Catholic Church the Vatican's treasurer and now he's a convicted child sex offender he's Cardinal George Pell he's been found guilty of the sexual assault in Australia of 213 year old choir boys back in the 1990 s. Pel was convicted in December but reporting it was restricted in case it biased a separate child sex abuse case against him which has now collapsed due to insufficient evidence the Vatican says Pelz case is shocking and painful and said restrictions have been put on the cardinal whilst he appeals his conviction Jr My visco we are slowly Jani. We unite ourselves with the Australian bishops in praying for all victims of abuse and reaffirm our commitment to do everything possible so that the church might be a safe home for all especially for children and the most vulnerable in order to ensure the course of justice that the Holy Father has confirmed the precautionary measures which had been imposed by the local ordinary on Cardinal George Pell when he returned to Australia I mean that is while awaiting the definitive assessment of the facts as is the norm Cardinal George Pal is prohibited from exercising public ministry and from having any voluntary contact whatsoever with minors. Many Australians have said that in addition to perpetrating abuse himself Pelle failed throughout his career to punish other priests who had sexually assaulted children the b.b.c. Is held Griffith has more. Just not when he returned from the Vatican to face the Australian courts Cardinal George Pell needed a police escort to force his way through the waiting cameras. Inside he claimed he was innocent of all charges he'd come to truly his name there's now no way back to Rome for the 77 year old Instead he'll be heading to mistreat in jail George Pell was for many years the face of the Catholic Church in. Australia revered for his intellect and uncompromising manner he rose through the ranks quickly but he used his power to manipulate and abuse. In 1906 in one of his 1st services as archbishop in Melbourne's Cathedral. From 2 choir boys helping themselves to Communion why'd he told them that they were in trouble and then grabbing them by the head forced both into a series of sexual acts Powell hired one of Australia's most expensive lawyers to defend him who claimed the abuse was a fantasy that simply did not happen the jury in the 1st trial failed to reach a verdict but a 2nd found in favor of the victims George Pell had once also claimed to stand for the victims of paedophile priests and the Archbishop of Melbourne he set up a world 1st system of compensation and counselling and in his evidence to Australia's Royal Commission inquiry on abuse he acknowledged institutional failings churches in many places certainly are straight as muck things up this might let people down. Not here to defend the indefensible but some abuse survivors and their families feel George Pal is also guilty of another crime Crissy Foster's daughters Katie in Amman would raped by a Melbourne priest she believes Cardinal Pell deliberately covered up abuse by other clerics in order to protect the church and himself he had a vested interest in covering it up so he is sure very much be prosecuted for that the whole hierarchy of the Catholic Church. I did and abetted pedophile priests and brothers too ripe and the list fails and upon thousands of children George Pell has always denied covering up child abuse. He has been removed from the Pope's in a circle but despite being a convicted paedophile he keeps his title The pontiff has written to him thanking him for his work. His fall from grace will be completed when George Pell Grant turns to go to Melbourne to learn his sentence. Or that report now with a deadline for breaks it just a month away the British prime minister has made a speech to parliament in the last few moments telling M.P.'s they will have the chance to vote on a no deal scenario or even on delaying Breck's it if her plan doesn't get through it is the 1st time Mrs May has acknowledged that her show jewel for the U.K.'s withdrawal from the e.u. Might not be met if the house having rejected leaving with the deal negotiated with the e.u. Then rejects leaving on the 29th of March without a withdrawal agreement in future framework the government will on the 14th of March bring forward a motion on whether parliament wants to seek a short limited extension to Article 50. And if the House votes for an extension seek to agree that extension approved by the house with the e.u. Well this came after a revolt from a some government ministers who threatened to resign if it Britain exited the e.u. Without a deal the bride minister I can see from our t.v. Screens in the studio is still on her feet our political correspondent Rob Watson joins us now live from Westminster Robin has Mrs may finally back down here. Well I'm not sure that I would say bank down in the sense of given up on deal but I think she's had I guess I put it this way changed her tactics I mean her fundamental strategy remains the same a ministry's of May with say about herself she has the minutes least of one person she believes that the only way of dealing with the results of the referendum nearly 3 years ago is from peace to support her deal but in an attempt to sort of party management keeping the divided conservative party together she's sort of saying to her remain as those who are threatening to quit Look if my deal isn't supported in a couple of weeks time there will be a vote on whether we should extend the process now I'm left with 2 questions at this point will what she's done today be enough in the short to kind of keep people who are pro e.u. And her government from leaving them protest and in the longer has she done enough by opening up the sort of possibility of of an extension to frighten the right wing of her party into saying you know what maybe we better get behind her there on the 12th of March and we often hear this phrase kicking the can down the road well as we teeter towards March the date March 29th but some could argue has she not done this again by simply delaying the decision that has to be made I think so in fact I was calling a little I was trying to think of a phrase while I was listening to and I've come up with what I hope everyone meets with the approval of listeners and that is this is the lay but with a difference don't delay with a difference in that you get a vote on her on her deal in a couple of weeks but with those other 2 elements thrown in the possibility of Britain leaving without any kind of a deal which I'm sure M.P.'s would Rick reject or the other alternative which is delaying Bracks so delay with a difference it could catch on Rob Watson our political correspondent live from Westminster thank you you're listening to the news room from the b.b.c. World Service Neil has the headlines as you've been hearing the British prime minister to resume or has offered a vote on Bowl. A known deal breaks it or a short limited delay to the U.K.'s exit from the e.u. Pakistan has condemned an Indian and strike targeting a militant camp on its territory and says it will respond at a time and place of its choosing and the u.n. Secretary general has appealed for billions of dollars to address what he called the overwhelming humanitarian calamity in Yemen Yes the civil war in Yemen has created the world's worst humanitarian crisis the United Nations says around 80 percent of Yemenis are in desperate need of humanitarian aid with 10000000 people at risk of famine today in Geneva the u.n. Has launched an appeal for 8 its biggest ever Yes Our chief international correspondent he's just said has reported extensively from the country she told me about the human crisis behind the staggering numbers you know numbers are so numbing you think to how can you imagine 24000000 people and as you heard from and Tony 2000000 more Yemenis. Fell into a category where they need humanitarian aid just to survive that figure alone could be a huge crisis in any country so the world's worst humanitarian crisis just gets worse but I have to say when you see it close up we were in Yemen just a few weeks ago and went down to that gate that crucial gateway to who data where more than 70 percent of the who desperately needed humanitarian aid comes through and you meet Yemenis like 5 month old. And you when you want to turn away because the children in Yemen the babies don't really look like babies their faces are so shrivelled and so many children we met had lost their eyesight they lost it to infection because of severe malnutrition creates a medical problem creates of infection there's lack of there's a lack of aid the families can't afford to buy them the food in the. Edson they need so they end up losing body weight losing their eyesight and losing a real chance at life these sorts of images names like ugh wa and Amal and with that they stay with you because these are these are this is the face of the catastrophe in Yemen now and of course it doesn't matter whether the un manages to reach his target of raising billions of dollars of aid around the world for the people in such a desperate position if it can't get the aid to the people what is the latest on that well yes by now the Who thiis were meant to have pulled out their forces from the main port into smaller ones and the forces of the Yemeni government which are backed by Saudi Arabia and the United Arab Emirates were also supposed to pull away so there's been a real fear that this shaky agreement could collapse but there is some sign now that they may last pull out and today the u.n. Finally after 5 months got access to the Red Sea mails which has tens of thousands of tons of grain so small glimmers of hope today on a very bleak landscape at least a sense the North Korean leader Kim Jung Un has arrived in Vietnam for his 2nd summit with the u.s. President Donald Trump 8 months ago the 2 leaders sat down together for the 1st time in Singapore but despite the unwavering commitment to the d. Nuclearization of the Korean Peninsula that was expressed at the time there's been a diplomatic stalemate of a sense and now as they prepared to meet again tomorrow expectations are high speaking before he set off the Hanoi President Trump said he was optimistic about the summit and North Korea's prospects if and when they give up the nuclear weapons we're speaking with speaking Latin I think we could have a very good a very good summit I think we'll have a very tremendous summit we want the nuclearization and I think you'll have a country that will. Set a lot of records for speed in terms of an economy the b.b.c. South East Asia correspondent Jonathan Head is in Vietnam and told us what we can expect Vietnam was once a poor and isolated country which falls along a base a war against the United States and yet look at it now it's fastest growing economies it has a good strategic and economic partnership with Washington and the Communist Party is still fully in control that's what the United States wants the North Korean leader Kim Jong un to see showing him but he could have some of this economic success without giving up power if only he will give up his nuclear weapons program but so far we simply don't know whether the North Korean leader is willing to start doing that on one of this summit is different from the 18 months ago in Singapore where all the focus is on the novelty of seeing these 2 men together and saying the body language change of just seeing Kim Jong un outside of North Korea mixing with people all of which that focus then at this summit the Americans say they want to see a big step towards denuclearize age one that has to mean some kind of commitment to the international inspection or to shutting down one of their facilities and yet from North Korea its nuclear weapons program has always been the guarantee against possible regime change and so all the focus will be on what the North Koreans are willing to offer at this summit if nothing more substantial than perhaps an end to the long hostilities between them the end of the state of war if nothing is achieved but it's very hard to see this level summit driven process of diplomacy continuing remaining credible Jonathan Head in Vietnam this is the news room now has some of the stories from the news desk the European Union's top court has an older decision by law to be to suspend the had to fit Central Bank while it investigates allegations of bribery and corruption against. The court said Latvia had not provided sufficient evidence that she of its had gauged in serious misconduct to justify the measures wisdome she average denies the allegations a group of funeral directors in South Africa say they will sue a self-styled prophet who claims to have resurrected a dead man a viral video of pastor of cocoa shows him shouting rise up to a man laying down in a coffin who then jerks up rights to cheers from Washington as the funeral companies say they were manipulated into being involved Argentina's chief rabbi has been taken to hospital after being beaten in a nighttime attack at his home in the capital bonus Henri's Rabbi Gabriele Davidovits said his wife was restrained during the break in while he was attacked you know thank you now a year ago we reported on a young Syrian go he was fleeing water in Syria with her family into Lebanon there was a vicious snowstorm and tragically most of 4 year old saw his family froze to death but she survived a year on we've been to visit her again and that's correspondent Martin patience now reports summer is making a remarkable recovery he thinks are. You there are you out about the need for your 4 years old she looks healthy happy she's getting a big smile. Even today. By a year ago it was all very different Sorry I was lying in a hospital beds her face covered them black marks caused by frostbite smugglers abandoned our jury about Blizzard as she was crossing the mountains from war torn Syria to join our Danton lab and. Cyrus Mom big sister and dram me all froze to death. 12 months later they're still scarring on our face there's nothing she likes more than a game of chase with her friends. Cyrus father my Shan saying she's recovering well . When we 1st got out of the hospital she wasn't able to walk she had to sit for a few therapy sessions the thought of son and then later afterwards she also sat for psychological support or by bit she became more familiar with the new situation we didn't know each other and I know this is a difficult question but she talk about a mob or does she talk about her sister. How have you found dealing with. The 2nd element of onset. She asks about her mother and sister almost on a daily or regular basis. I tell her they travelled She still not fully aware that she was going to see them again I tried to distract it was the Tories and I bring it here to the park to play. She misses her sister because she was her playmate and on the day we visited sour on our dad received some good news the ukase exactly thumb is refugee so. I think it's very promising so I would get a better future that she would continue her treatment education and better opportunities so I'm looking forward to it as for a little Zara she's already getting ready for a new home here we see the old Bill we'll be here all Shanti and with the help of our Dad I get the feeling she's going to be all right. Oh because you are. His patients of 4 year old son. Finally feels kids have come and gone but some online screening of you would ceremony is still causing controversy in China Asia Pacific as a city has been told me why all centers around the speech given by the Best Actor Award winner Rami Malik and he mentioned Freddie Mercury in his speech because he won an award for his portrayal of Freddie Mercury and in his speech Rami Malik describes Freddie Mercury explaining that he was a gay man an immigrant who lived his life unapologetically Now this Chinese broadcaster which is one of the biggest broadcasters in China it's the 2nd largest one in China basically took that event took that speech and changed 2 words the words gay men they changed to special group in their Chinese subtitles but a lot of people noticed the change and got very very upset on Chinese social media pointing out asking what they were so afraid of why they couldn't put the words gay men in Chinese and asking why such a change was necessary legally it's not necessary Syria has and that is it from the newsroom from the b.b.c. World Service with me Claire McDonnell our top story the British prime minister to resign may as well for the M.P.'s a vote on both a no deal bricks it or a short limited delay on the u.k. Exiting from the e.u. . This is the b.b.c. World Service where life and our. Boys have taken this test out that it gymnast moves they put it all in there the language of art is universal it's a media day one breaches of too many and all embracing notions you see this beautiful graffiti that tries to blend together on a spiritual quest and contemporary art it's a man's us imagine you're creating a city for 3 days out of nothing and suddenly you have a $180000.00 people gathering confuses and confound. It all what I did it is say that it's an ancient craft in Peking Opera you must be able to do ballet singing and acting a cutting edge medium one experiment I did was to get a neural network to generate a new song lyrics it's part of. The old global arts and culture on the b.b.c. World Service. This is the b.b.c. World Service I'm Manuela. And in business daily shortly with talking genealogy there's been a huge surge in the number of people who've registered with companies to determine the ancestry but just how accurate are these genealogy companies and can we trust them with intimate data about our d.n.a. That's coming up after the news. B.b.c. News with Neil Nunez Pakistan says it will respond to altered cold the irresponsible Indian air strikes on its territory at a time and place of its choosing Delhi says the strike started a militant group that had carried out a deadly attack in Indian administered Kashmir it says a large number of militants were killed in the airstrikes Pakistan denies this the British prime minister says Parliament can vote for a short delay to Bracks it but only if they rejected the deal if she's agreed with the e.u. And leaving the block without an agreement Britain is due to leave in Monch but the process is bogged down in Parliament the un secretary general says an overwhelming humanitarian crisis is taking place in Yemen and as warned that relief agencies are only making slow progress and Tony a group tannish was speaking at a donor conference that hopes to raise $4000000000.00 for aid operations in the country the Vatican has banned the Australian Cardinal George Pell from public ministry and contact with children until the end of his appeal against a conviction for child sexual abuse the church described the case as paying for a senior aide has suggested that the Iranian president will not accept the resignation of the Foreign Minister Mohammad Javad Zarif said on Monday that he wanted to leave office and that Iranian diplomacy was poisoned by infighting President Trump is expected in Vietnam later today for his 2nd summit with the North Korean leader Kim Jong un is to Kim arrived in the country. And the Netherlands has intercepted a large consignment of vodka hidden on a ship bound for North Korea the authorities are investigating reports that the 90000 bottles covered by u.n. Sanctions were destined for the North Korean leader Kim Jong un that's the latest b.b.c. World news. Hello and welcome to business daily from the b.b.c. I'm on wait us out across up coming up who do you think you are and who do you think I am genetic genealogy companies promise to give us answers if you know. That your great grandfather or or that your great grandmother for. If you stayed strong. For a while. But just how accurate other results of these companies and what exactly happens to the data we entrust to them some of which is already being used to help solve crimes in the u.s. That's all coming up here in Business Daily from the b.b.c. . It was perhaps always inevitable that in all rage of identity politics we appeared to be more obsessive ever in finding out who we are and who are ancestors are according to the mit Technology Review by the start of this year more than 26000000 consumers have added that d.n.a. To 4 leading commercial ancestry and health databases companies like 23 and Me ancestry and Family Tree d.n.a. In my heritage the d.n.a. Home testing kits were one of the top stocking for this last Christmas and mit expects more than 100000000 people will get the d.n.a. Tested within the next 2 years among those who've already done it is an American code Bill was the one from the. We sent our hotel and the risk of it to meet Bill and his wife Sylvia at their home in Berlin in Germany. My sister got me interested in d.n.a. Testing because I'm kind of interested in researching family tree and someone being an American you have all these European roots I just do it as a hobby many people do crossword puzzles and so home but I think it's just a way for me to investigate history as every family if you go back further you have thousands and thousands of ancestors who lived in different countries and different eras when you hear a story about you know the 30 Years War were my people sort of speak and how many relatives which I actually find through d.n.a. Testing Oh I found dozens and dozens Aren't you afraid to find out something that you actually don't want to know or that my wife is descended from Genghis Khan maybe something I did have one second cousin of my grandfather turned out to be a scoundrel and I've had 2 3rd cousins of mine were surprised that their fathers were not their fathers biologically speaking one of them was very devastated by this fact. His identity was Irish American that's now gone and he told me that his son who was very into this Irish American identity was devastated but now was accepted the truth. The genetic truth and now with just the reoriented himself and was it to your idea to take a d.n.a. Test or a did your husband inspire you. He just ordered 2 sets of d.n.a. Tests and said here look surprise I thought it was kind of fun because it was something new and and I was also kind of interested but also surprised about the result and what was the surprising thing that came out yeah actually about my husband is more German I am because he got one 3rd and I have none and I thought that was funny because I thought it would be kind of 89 percent and I was old it was interesting to compare with my sisters all we do with different companies and my sister's heritage sort of coincide with the paper trail and mine didn't and I know definitely from the d.n.a. There were full blooded siblings in my test revealed no Irish ancestry at all theoretically I should be a quarter I wish ancestry and my sister had the quarter and I had none. So when you know that there's different providers that do the d.n.a. Testing and there's a chance of getting 2 completely different results don't you lose your trust in those companies I don't lose my trust at all it's just the ethnic estimates are very adventurous. But that doesn't mean much to me it was only in order to find out connections with distant cousins and they don't make a mistake there Bill and ill the wise will come back to them a little later as Bill mentioned when you send off your d.n.a. To an ancestry company they put you in touch with distant relations you never even knew you had but they also give you an overall ethnicity profile what percentage of your d.n.a. Is Scandinavian for example and that profile can vary greatly depending on which company you send your d.n.a. Off to it can be somewhat addictive to take for example Kristen v Brown she writes about genetics for Bloomberg News I've actually probably done more d.n.a. Testing kit for them at the body of the world I would think and you do get variation for test but shouldn't alarm people it's just like everybody has developed their own proprietary test using their own proprietary out of them to often conducting their own science and very few companies are sequencing the entire genome they're looking at little pieces and those little pieces of very people of color generally are not characterized well and reference data set your results are just way more likely to be accurate if you are a person of European descent just because there are more people of European descent in the database that they're looking at and comparing your d.n.a. To and generally would you say you trust and have faith in the results that have been sent to you. So this is a tough question but it's not about the science is wrong it's that we have been expectations of the science and math in part because of the way these companies market our products right their science is very sound it's just science that was originally intended for population genetics to ask questions like How did people move from Africa into Europe and Asia and we're looking at millions. People that's pretty accurate because if there are some outliers you know they come out in the wash but then if you're looking at me and you're trying to ask did my people come to America through Italy or through Syria they're now wire in the data matters because you give me a different answer about my personal history do you think there should be more regulation of it than do you think. The advertising for it should be skewed in a different way yes so there has been a push to get regulators at least in the United States to look at whether these companies are presenting the science in a way that oversells its capabilities Orient taking advantage of people's data right that they're giving away very very sensitive data that we still don't fully understand how it might be used in the future for good and for back you don't want to be traced back to you as a person you want to remain anonymous and the question is can we trust these tech companies to keep it in the most right and it might not even be out to sell your data to somebody who will use it against you necessarily but you know they could very easily get hacked Another thing is that consumers because they don't understand the sensitivity of the data they actually share it themselves there was a lot of fuss when this serial killer from the seventy's the golems the killer was arrested using consumer d.n.a. Data that's huge break in a cold case terrorizing California for decades police say they now have the Golden State killer in custody and they use d.n.a. Testing to find him because a 1000000 people had uploaded their d.n.a. Data to an open source web site that anybody including the police could access and look at so in effect it's not just you yourself who could be identified but also I imagine your blood relations you might not want to be on there in the 1st place right I mean that's kind of the frustrating thing about this problem it's not actually only up to you whether your data is shared if your brother or your mother or your Honor does one time that means your data is out there to a very small percentage of the population needs to share their original come from a fan in order for anybody to potentially be identifiable based on it which means not just that you could figure out who they are but that. Maybe you could figure out what diseases they might be a risk for so sort of information like that so in some sense it's late too late for this problem to be solved we said need better regulations to make sure that this data can't be abuse you know used by for example life insurance so in the United States a health insurer couldn't find out you did a genetic test and be like hey give me that data I wanted her and whether to cover you based on a better life or I'm sure I actually could so there are already really clear pathway is for abuse for this Kristen the brown of Bloomberg here on business daily on the b.b.c. World Service with me Manuela. So what do genetic genealogy companies have to say to some of those concerns I spoke to Rafi Mendelsohn of my heritage one of the world's biggest d.n.a. Testing companies the ethnicity estimates the received back to give an indication of the journeys the your ancestors have been on over the last few 100 years and what's exciting is that the science is probably still at the early stage we should expect to see more ethnicities and a greater degree of precision over the coming months and years so for example if my result came back and said I was 12 percent North African What does that tell me you know how does enrich me in any way that would indicate that over the last few 100 years there have been some of your ancestors that have come from North Africa and my heritage we've developed the founders population project where we tested thousands of people from around the world for generations lived in a certain area then we were able to pick up the genetic markers that were prevalent to Italian ethnicity for example as the foundation of the ethnicity estimate and that's why the sponsors were passed. How do you seek to profit from the data you collect I mean you're offering a service as it is at the moment do you foresee have a sharing that data with a 3rd party. My heritage has been very clear that we don't sell or share or license any of our data to 3rd parties if we have or did that in the future it would only be with the explicit permission of our users you must though get 3rd party is coming to occasion in just trying to see if there's something they could negotiate in terms of getting access to all that data because it's valuable data the value of the data is really for our users we don't own the data it is owned by the users and so the control is with our users for example if someone wants to have the results deleted they can just contact all 247 support and we'll happily do that have you invest a lot make sure your database doesn't get hacked I mean that there is always that possibility isn't that what we take security very very seriously data is anonymised and we employ multiple layers of encryption to make sure that doesn't happen and what about if the government came to you demanding you handover data perhaps they're investigating particular people what's your policy in that kind of situation so there have been a number of high profile stories of law enforcement working to solve criminal cases using d.n.a. My heritage doesn't work and hasn't worked with law enforcement in fact it's against our Terms of Service sure but it's the law of the land isn't it I mean if the government comes along and says no what we've got a new law that says you have to hand over the data there really isn't that much you can do well we haven't done there is a 3rd party platform which is completely independent of my heritage where people have taken a d.n.a. Test with any of the companies have practically uploaded their d.n.a. Tests to find more matches and it's been serviced that. And Forstmann have worked with which has meant that we haven't come across that situation and would it be possible for someone to send in the d.n.a. Of someone else say that they were trying to find out details about that person and that they pose as that person so it's very clear in the my heritage terms of service that you can only submit data with someone's consent it's a cheek swab so I'm not sure how you would cheek swab someone without them knowing about it that have to be sleeping with their mouth open. And just a final question at a more of a front personages my ancestry is possibly Sephardic Jewish where they're from 50600 years ago would that show up in your d.n.a. Test it could do I think the only bone would be to send you to say human. Well I think I'm up for that my might well sign up. Right so it's a gray rainy London morning and I've just received the package from my heritage. Have activated d.n.a. Kit online on the my heritage website Interestingly it asked me for the details of my grandparents it immediately linked me to family who are linked to my grandparents so I already have half a family tree on the Apple which is mainly from my mother's side the Dutch side of the family clearly that's where people have been active in using the the my heritage website. Taking the search piece sealed swabs. And now I'm going to stick in my mouth and scrape the inside of one of my cheeks one with tating. Well done you know kind of put these 2 boiled in the fossil back in the habit and blow. Mail this to my heritage in Houston Texas. Well Raffy Mendelson from my heritage who you heard earlier got the results of my d.n.a. Test kit expedited and several weeks later I got the results no evidence there of my possible Sephardic Jewish ancestry but then that was going back at least 5 centuries so it was always a long shot turns out I am exactly 53.2 percent north and west european 33.7 percent Italian a most intriguing evil 13 point one percent West Asian who knows what my ancestors got up to but that's a whole other story I was more distracted by a report that my heritage had suffered a data hack in the last few months which meant I had one more question for Raffy How did that happen given all the assurances he'd given so we discovered a breach which involved the email addresses and the hashed or encrypted passwords that were related to uses and there was no other data that's was found or affected including data d.n.a. Data restored separately it doesn't involve. Segregated layers of data an additional layers of security. Within 8 hours of being aware of this we announce that we have kept uses up to date. And we have carried out a number of additional steps so that users can be confident in the safety of for example we've implemented 2 factor authentication and now have security measures that do meet the industry and so that is something that is very important to my heritage as Rafi Mendelson it didn't reassure me completely but what about Bill and Hill who was here with her. Ah they worried about where the d.n.a. Data might end up I do think about it does make me a little uneasy in the digital age that is a general problem and or areas I mean frighten my bank account to my what information the government has about me even in a grocery store there are video cameras have good receipt of a pay with a credit card to see exactly where and when what I bought you know all these things can be found out but I don't know that important Actually I don't know who is who is interested in this little piece of data that important what's happening with that I was. I didn't think about it too much that's it from this edition of Business Daily in tomorrow's business daily We'll dig deeper into what happens to that d.n.a. Data Do people really know what they're consenting to until then states you to us here on the b.b.c. World Service. And now it's time to witness history on the b.b.c. World Service with me Yelena us today we're going back to 2000 and none when the highly infectious new virus swine flu 1st appeared in Mexico and rapidly began to spread around the country and the world has sources in Mexico are taking imagine say measures to tackle an outbreak of a new kind of swine flu is suspected of killing some 60 people are the infecting hundreds more in April 2009 Mexico City the world's 3rd largest metro police was effectively shut down because of a new and deadly flu virus here in Mexico City the government is shutting down 70 percent of bars and restaurants until further notice there's hardly any traffic on the streets what they're doing really is just locking down the whole city but Mexico is a huge country and all the focus has been on Mexico City but it does look likely that the virus has spread across the country as it has spread across the world the 1st signs that something dangerous was taking place came a few weeks earlier when a young woman got killed in the south of the country the 1st case the richest directed that we could see that he was saying something was a pregnant young woman and that guy it was a severe respiratory disease and she died very soon after she started. Her picture that was the 1st occasion the 3rd was assistant director of The National Laboratory which money tert infectious diseases in Mexico and in April 2009 her left became Ground 0 for the swine flu virus in the weeks between 830 and 17. Specialized in infectious diseases holes to say that there was something new. That he was going on with patients with severe respiratory diseases was Ward. Doctor I'll put a slap was alerted because the virus was behaving in an unusual way it was spreading fast and cousin symptoms that appear to be similar to those produced by standard seasonal flu but infecting people who didn't normally get flu young people in pregnant women and those who usually did get flu like cold people were not showing symptoms at all but that time we didn't know that we had a new virus so we just knew that there were several cases of severe respiratory diseases that they were right. That it was in a population not normal flu because they were younger people and that some of them were dying after a lot of analysis and investigations the laboratory still couldn't say for certain that it was flu so they started to suspect it was a new pathogen but the killer put a slab didn't have the capability to identify a new virus so she sent samples to the Centers for Disease Control in the United States and Canada I was able to the south poles the following Monday the next day I got the 1st call from Canada that basically yes you are right it is flu and they asked us permission to do the sequencing to me who are talking about a new virus and the next day I received the information that we had a new wires and that he was the h one n one pandemic 2009 virus but that time it was called swine virus the scientists discovered that the new version of the influenza virus was different because it contained genetic material from 3 different species humans birds and so on the virus was spreading from person to person by coughing and sneezing and its transmissibility was higher than any other influences trends seem to. 4 The authorities in Mexico immediately began to organize an emergency response they called for national security consular of the country because he was a Democrat that the secretary of hell was discussing this with the president in the National Security Council and they decided to close schools to try to meet the gate situation in that moment in this cd and the same day at 11 pm our secretary of health was not defying the entire country and the world that we have these fires in Mexico and the situation that we were he has done something. With facing a new influenza virus but it is a controllable epidemic the Ministry of Health recommends that people avoid crowded places or events where it is not strictly necessary to attempt to implement it out of. Mexico swine flu spread rapidly across the world and started been seen as a massive threat to global health experts feared millions of people could be infected and by the end a fair pull many countries around the world were screening their passengers for symptoms and suspending trips to Mexico new cases of swine flu have been confirmed in New Zealand and Israel more than 150 people are thought to have died from the virus in Mexico and the Foreign Office is now advised against all but essential travel there British tour operators have canceled package holidays to Cancun in Mexico and a flying holiday makers back from the region scientists around the world were not sure how infectious or deadly the virus will be but by June 2009 labs had identified cases in 74 countries the World Health Organization the clerk's swine flu pandemic the 1st in 40 years the scientific criteria for end in full and so pandemic have been met I have devil decided to raise the level of influenza pandemic alert from Phase 5 to face 6. The world is now at the start of the 2009 influenza pandemic history has shown that influenza can kill millions the Spanish Flu of 100-9000 killed 14000000 people then came Asian flu in 1057 with their toll of more than 1000000 the Hong Kong flu in 1968 killed a similar number now 40 years later the world was facing the swine flu pandemic this time it was a new virus and most people had little or no immunity to it look at the current of cases if you have thousands of thousands of cases you're going to have so many severe cases like we have we have 83 percent excess mortality in young people that we shouldn't pass because of this new virus and I were mortality pregnancy in Mexico increased it a lot because of flu in that period of time as part of the panet planning effort many countries began to buy antiviral treatments and vaccines but as it turned out the swine flu pandemic was relatively mild soon some critics started suggesting that the health authorities got over reacted the therapeutic believes that Mexico took the right decisions it's easy to criticize and say it was created panic of course after one year you can see the whole picture of how this new virus. But in the moment that the things are Curies you cannot predict how is one of the teeth and you have to do what you have to do to mitigate and protect your population in August 2010 the World Health Organization officially declared the end of the pandemic it reported $18631.00 laboratory confirmed deaths around the world. But other estimates show the death toll could have been much higher for the chance for Mexico the 2009 influenza pandemic left important lessons we learned a lot of lessons maybe not enough but at least 11 words worry Mexico is much better prepared than we were before but we need more we need more human resources technology but also need a much better sort of brain system and much bigger lead but with this or Bayless in public health and the 1st contact which are the commissions to work or integrate the detective things faster today that perhaps a little pooches director of the Center for Infectious this is at the National Institute of Public Health in Mexico she has been speaking to me Mary Ellen on our us for this edition of witness history this is the b.b.c. World Service I have had 3 plastic bottles this hydrocarbon all contain You might think this is what foreign film but here on the b.b.c. Building on the World Service it's a bit more like this why does Dan long. 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World Service on the 3rd most powerful man in the Vatican the Australian Cardinal George Pell has been found guilty of sexually abusing 213 year old boys in 1996 the Vatican described the conviction as painful We'll speak to a reporter covering the case and on Australian Senate begins not just the individual victim impact but that is one had on their families their own children their life's full compensation it's absolutely warranted and the churches must. Also Pakistan condemns an Indian as strike targeting a militant camp on its territory and says it will respond a former foreign minister urges caution we should be awarding escalation of war between the 2 countries we have nuclear powers this could be stray very dangerous dog only for good e.g. The dangers faced the windows for those stories lots more after the news. Hello I'm Mary Marshall with the b.b.c. News Pakistan has said it will respond to a strike by Indian warplanes at a time and place of its choosing it comes after emergency meetings in Islamabad over an Indian air raid inside Pakistan believed to be the 1st such action in over 40 years India said it hit a training camp of the Jaish e Mohammed militant group responsible for an attack on a militant convoy in Indian administered Kashmir earlier this month Meanwhile Indian media outlets are reporting heavy shelling across the Line of Control separating Indian and Pakistani administered Kashmir the European Union has called on both countries to show maximum restraint by a. Spokeswoman for the E.U.'s foreign policy chief Federica Marini we are following very closely the current developments between India and Pakistan we remain in contact with both countries and what we believe is essential is that all exercise maximum restraint and avoid further escalation of tensions the British prime minister to resign May has outlined a shift in her approach to Bracks it were parliament to reject an amended version of the current draft deal she told M.P.'s that if they voted the deal down they would be able to vote on whether they supported Britain leaving the e.u. Without a deal on the 29th of March if they also rejected that option they would be asked whether they wanted a short limited extension which would then be sought from the e.u. However she warned that Britain could still leave without any deal an extension cannot take no deal off the table the only way to do that is to revoke Article 15 we try we try to show not due. To. The un Secretary General Antonio terrace has spoken of an overwhelming humanitarian calamity in Yemen he's appealing for $4000000000.00 to help feed tens of millions of. People Mr Good terrorist said more Yemenis than ever were in need as the conflict continues 24000000 people 80 percent of the population needs humanitarian aid and protection. And which continued fighting in the collapsing economy an additional $2000000.00 people fell into military and prizes in the past year the Vatican has said it's pained by the News of the conviction on child sex offenses of the Australian card not George Pal the headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church.

Ahead of the 2016 election Windsor Johnston n.p.r. News Washington a report compiled by private research years and released by a Senate panel says active and ongoing Russian interference operations still exist on social media it finds that the Russian operation discovered after the 2016 presidential election was much broader than previously thought the report compiled with data provided by Facebook Twitter and alphabet the parent company of Google says there are still some live accounts tied to the original internet research agency named in an indictment from Special Counsel Robert Muller 2 members of Congress accompanied attorneys and activists in a scorching a group of 15 asylum seekers to a San Diego port of entry Monday as k. P.B.S.'s Jean Guerrero reports the migrant set foot on u.s. Soil but waited hours for entry Congressman Jimmy Gomez and Congresswoman Annette's Barragan Democrats from Los Angeles hoped some of the most vulnerable members of the migrant Exodus could bypass a week's long wait list for asylum but when they arrived at the port of entry Customs and Border Protection officials stopped them here's Barragan we're led to believe that they have a capacity issue that's what we were led to believe which is why it's all of this with the 2 members going to see the best issue and they haven't had to send the group includes 8 unaccompanied minors one man and a mom and her 5 children all from Hunter s. For n.p.r. News I'm Jean grow in t. Quanah British Prime Minister tourism a is urging lawmakers to allow a January 14th vote on the U.K.'s divorce from the European Union she says a delay raises the risk of Britain leaving the block without an agreement this is not break faith with the British people by trying to stage another referendum. Another vote which would do irreparable damage to the integrity of our poll which after May's announcement opposition party leader Jeremy Corbin submitted a symbolic non-binding motion of no confidence. It's this is n.p.r. News. Chicago's police superintendent Eddie Johnson says 2 rookie police officers were killed late Monday while responding to a call about shots being fired Johnson says the officers were struck by a train while chasing down the suspect Alabama's attorney general is taking over the investigation of a controversial Thanksgiving Day Police shooting at a mall in suburban Birmingham Cheryl Wheeler of member station w b h m reports that the family of a man who was shot is questioning the state's motive the lawyer for a man to Bradford genius family says Alabama's attorney general did not follow the normal process when he took over the case from the local district attorney law you've been cross alleges Attorney General Steve Marshall wants to protect the officer involved but Marshall says he's stepping in because of a possible conflict of interest with the d.a. It's standard practice for the Alabama Bureau of Investigation to be involved in police shootings but it's unusual for the state attorney general's office to intervene Bradford was killed by an officer who was responding to a shooting at a mall police say the officers saw Braff it with a gun and fired police later acknowledged that Bradford was not the shooter for n.p.r. News I'm Cheryl Stewart in Birmingham Lou in General Assembly has overwhelmingly approved a resolution on preventing violence and sexual harassment of women and girls the u.s. Was the only nation to vote against the proposal citing language it says promotes abortion rights 31 other nations abstained from Monday's vote I'm she's Stevens and p.r. News in Washington. Support for n.p.r. Comes from the pajama gram company offering hoodie footy PJ's footed pajamas for warmth and a personal style in solids holiday prints and Nordic fleece learn more at pajama gram dot com and listeners like you who donate to this n.p.r. Station. Crystal City Virginia home to government contractors lots of them and soon Amazon with its promised 25000 jobs just not nice for government contractors that come in and has very wisely said we are they have a lot of that and we're not going to incentivize that doll reading the fine print in that Amazon h.q. To deal next time on Marketplace Tuesday at 3 in the afternoon also at 6 30 in the evening on key c.l.u. . From w n y c in New York this is on the media I'm Bob Garfield and I'm Amanda who reports on health. Sitting in for Brooke this week to focus on the infection level at the time line is extremely high new concerns this morning after the 1st measles death in this country in more than a decade we have news tonight about the explosion of the West Nile virus so far in the u.s. There are more than 30 cases detected you know 11 states in the District of Columbia 41 people have died and infections are multiplying a 4 times the usual rate is the deadliest outbreak on record while political rhetoric focuses on phony threats from asylum seekers and undocumented workers at any moment our security is genuinely vulnerable to other outsiders namely pathogens microorganisms that cause deadly infectious diseases some threats to the American public are overblown as we shall see for instance the Ebola outbreak that ravaged pockets of West Africa and set off a panic when it crossed our borders claimed only a few victims here on the other hand sometimes the alarm is all too justified and we are now marking the 100th anniversary of the 918 flu pandemic which was a global catastrophe claiming between 50000000 and 100000000 lives scientists are on a quizzical. The 100 year storm another pandemic is inevitable and so in the centennial of the 1918 flu this week we look at our vulnerability which depends not only on vaccines and antibiotics and other scientific knowledge but on politics messaging and public trust and historical moment when no fact is immune from political spin and science itself is under attack Al medical knowledge human nature fake news dark politics and the lessons of history converge to determine our feet we begin with the flu of a century ago a world event so cataclysmic that over the years it's enormity grows and grows as if the pile of dead bodies itself is mounting over time all the numbers that have been attached to the size of the death toll of this pandemic were based on extrapolations from what was known in the few parts of the world that had record keeping and health departments to do that sort of thing Laurie Garrett is a science journalist and the author of The Coming Plague Newly Emerging Diseases in a world out of balance so that was the official tally for most of the 20th century and then people started thinking wait a 2nd there were cases in China which was a huge country there were occasions in India which was a huge country how come we don't have the numbers and it's actually not until pretty much the end of the 20th century that you start to have really scrupulous attempts to figure out how massive had the global toll been and then the toll starts to jack up to somewhere between 75100000000 I mean this whole parts of the planet that weren't even counted like most of Africa as far as we can tell there was no place on earth that missed the 1918 flu for more than a year the flu was the overarching reality of daily life on Earth there are any number of reports to be. Found where an individual got on the subway in Coney Island and was dead by the time they reached the upper east side it was hemorrhagic people's bodies turn black they had internal bleeding they coughed up blood as if the brutal violence to the body wasn't enough the pandemic came at the tail end of the 1st World War what was then the world's deadliest So there already was a sense of trauma and grief going on in the back room along comes this play my uncle was a 5 year old when the epidemic started in Baltimore all the schools were closed in Baltimore and his father ordered all the children to remain inside the house until whatever this is ends. So for months they were locked basically inside the home and his job as a little boy was to sit in a certain place by the front window and keep a log of hearses coming down the street and see if he can identify how many caskets were pulled out of the neighbors' houses imagine that was his job and yet incredibly unimaginable as it may seem in today's breathless hype filled media environment the overarching story of life on Earth wasn't big news it's interesting because as the flu rolled out across the nation it's remarkable when you go through old newspapers to see how little coverage it actually got and I think everybody who's ever dug into the history of 1900 has been struck by this there's only you know a few newspapers that were really dedicated to the story and of course there was no such thing as a science reporter or a health reporter these were written by the same guy who yesterday was covering a brawl in a high school gym you know and so while countless families were burying the dead even the yellowest of the yellow press were burying the lead you have to wonder had an epidemic like that occurred without the competition from the war or that it would have had more attention Nancy Thomas as a historian and author of the gospel of germs men women and the microbe in American life I asked her given that these were the wild west days of Pulitzer and her 1st was the coverage responsible My sense is that given the potential to play the yellow journalism card here that the coverage of the epidemic was relatively restraint that's not to say there wasn't criticism published specific acts the commissioner of health in New York City you know there's some grumbling he does this he does that but that since. All is and was on the strictly political side machine politics setting Tammany Hall against this that reform or that kind of political fodder and last making a sensational bid to undermine the authority of a public count the pertinent What were people told to do to manage the spread of the infection. In fact the basic tools of managing an influenza epidemic were taken out of the curriculum to a cat you can kind of take posters that were indeed tuberculosis posters and you see them just being retrofitted with Be careful of how you sneeze to avoid getting the flu but tuberculosis is not highly contagious so with an influenza epidemic because it is so much more contagious really the smartest thing you can do and still do is to stay home I want to ask you about the mechanics of public health messaging What did the public health authorities do to tell you to quarantine the ill to tell you not to cough in somebody else's face to get this information out so they were borrowing a lot from American advertising in this time period so they would try to come up with then add equivalent for coming your mouth when you cough or don't spit on the sidewalks they also did as much as they possibly could education so little kids start to get this kind of training there are these hysterical photos you can find of little kids being put through a handkerchief drill you know to teach them how it's nice right if someone did get sick in your family and you were you know working class immigrant you would get a public health nurse. Sent to you and that nurse would explain a lot of this stuff to you there are a number of historical watersheds that are deemed to have changed the society did the flu pandemic of 1918 change American society this is big big bone of contention because there's a famous book about the pandemic that basically said it was repressed it was extremely traumatic I can remember members of my family talking about it experiencing yet so it wasn't like it disappeared entirely but there's just so much going on seeing all of these young people die how that intersects with stories about veterans coming back and discussing what it was like fighting in the trenches so I think it all gets kind of modeled up in a way that makes it hard to pull out the influenza as a cost by itself and that's it thank you you're welcome Take care professor named c. Thomas is a story in of health and health care at Stony Brook University. And . Coming up an overreaction and under reaction this is all in the media and the media is supported by Progressive Insurance and within your price to providing information on a range of insurance coverage and price options more at progressive dot com or 1800 progressive Now that's progressive. The doctor says my lungs start shutting down the said is hard to slack alone cult thousands of American coal miners are dying from a disease caused by toxic dust the government could have stopped it but they didn't as a death there's no cure for it and knowing that that's coming to the. Is pretty hard to take on n.p.r. And frontline investigation that's on the next Morning Edition from n.p.r. News Tuesday from Wake up until 9 am on k.c.a.l. You this week on Radiolab join us for an argument with time most people do not need to live in the present most people don't need to live in the present everybody doesn't need to live in the press to living in the us i find secrets time has its secrets we learn a few. Too Radiolab between 9 and 10 Tuesday evening right after fresh air on k.c.a.l. You. This is on the media I'm Amanda and I'm Bob Garfield if it has somehow vanished in the collective memory 918 is never far from the thoughts and nightmares of the stewards of public health and when danger emerges they feel an obvious urgency to get their response right they're not always successful toward the end of the Gerald Ford administration came one such moment again it arrived in the immediate aftermath of a cruel war. Not a war in which the infection spread but one which left the public wherry of government claims motives and intervention today there is news of a new and potentially very dangerous and when the strain health officials say it may be related to the strain that killed so many people in 1009. 176 Dr Harvey Feinberg former dean of the Harvard School of Public Health recalls that it was a winter of bitter cold a number of soldiers at Fort Dix in January and February of 1976 came down with an illness or soldiers out of several 100 would. Bring back to by a particular. One of them who got out of his sick bed went on a forced March and then collapsed and died this turned out on further examination at the Centers for Disease Control to be the swine flu virus the same type that it caused the great pandemic of 191819. Feinberg knows every detail as co-author of the government's report the swine flu affair decision making on a slippery disease it fell to him to document the 1976 lethal pandemic that wasn't it turned out to be an unprecedented national public health mobilization for an infection that never spread within weeks of the Fort Dix death the Government commissioned mask. Production of a flu vaccine while public health officials embarked on an equally massive campaign to inform folks that yeah it's the swine flu it's bad and it is truly contagious here about it and. It's getting. Ready for. Market rate. On a reasonable rate. Look here's President Ford himself rolling up his sleeves for the White House position is told us. He didn't really. Know what a trooper in 10 weeks time 45000000 more Americans got flu shots the good news is that the Fort Dix flu never left Fort Dix The bad news was that a wary post Vietnam public was left once again to doubt the government in a matter of life and death Harvey Feinberg says it came down to the complexities of both risk assessment and intervention you could think of it as a kind of insurance scheme but the decision at the time didn't separate that insurance of producing the vaccine from the decision to go ahead and try to immunize all of the American public is the difference between the odds and the level of risk right if the chances of an event are relatively small but the risk is unthinkable governments are obliged to be on the safe side you personally are never going to be in a hijacked airplane that's flown into a building but you still have to remove your belt and shoes when you fly in so to hundreds of millions of other people who are also not going to be on a hijacked airplane it's a cost benefit ratio now there is a difference an important difference between the likelihood that something will occur and the severity of the event if it does occur interestingly at the time there was no effort to be explicit about these aside. Actions and part of what made it difficult over months was that they never ask themselves the question if it changed what would lead us to do something other than what we are now on a course to do the officials at the c.d.c. And in the White House certainly understood that Chicken Little effect which is to say when the government does take drastic measures just in case if the sky doesn't fall a pandemic doesn't materialize they're perceived to have overreacted so if they fail they fail if they succeed they fail you're right in fact some people have even said if there had been a pandemic that year public health authorities would have been faulted for not having done enough to get actually get the vaccine soon enough there is a kind of damned if you do damned if you don't character to these decisions in the end in public health you weigh very heavily the protection of the public against this risk of reputation or future credibility but one of the lessons of the soaring flu affair was that long term credibility also matters the New York Times wrote a story 2 of the 3 major networks reported on something that happened early on a government announcement about a potential health crisis were elated to swine flu based on what the government told them where they responsible in the reporting where they stare or goal how would you characterize the immediate reaction from the press what was especially fascinating at the time was the different ways in which the several news networks when about investigating the background for this story John Cochrane at n.b.c. News was the lead in looking into the question of what's behind this announcement that there's going to be. Serious pandemic and the government has to do something he used his White House connections to talk to many of the officials at the White House and he found none of them enthusiastic about this and he concluded that the politicians were forced to do the bidding of the scientific and health experts the other approach was Robert Pierpoint at c.b.s. Who received a call from his Atlanta bureau that there was dissent within the Centers for Disease Control and he talked to experts within the c.d.c. a Number of told him that the decision to go ahead and announce a mass vaccination program was premature and unwise so he concluded that there must have been a political motive this was after all an election year and that there was something other than the science that was driving this choice and it's fascinating when you review the actual coverage through the year that the difference in perspective framed at the outset persisted throughout the entire coverage of this story n.b.c. Much more sympathetic to government c.b.s. Much more critical of the policy choice you know we talk about another fable Chicken Little This one's the blind man in the elephant the reporting was cued based on which beat the reporters were on and who they were accustomed to talking to it's a cautionary tale for journalists not to leap to their own conclusions based on talking only to one side of the argument and here in a way both were legitimate it is true most government officials were very reluctant many experts within the c.d.c. He felt it was as yet unjustified but the leadership of the. Public health establishment the head of c.d.c. The secretaries assistant secretaries in what was then health education welfare they felt compelled to protect the public it was not a political decision Dick Newstead and I who did a review for the new secretary Joe Caliph looking at this episode in the immediate aftermath could find no basis for a political motive in these decisions and in fact it's not clear what the right choice is from a political point of view you've mentioned that there were false assumptions made at the time based on insufficient data and they went for an all in strategy to address what turned out to be a minor outbreak but the question is did public health and government officials act correctly based on their lousy data did they act incorrectly I guess what I'm asking is did they blow it I do think that things could have been done better and they could have been done better in 5 ways 1st they could have done better at laying the base for program review being more explicit about what assumptions they were making and when they could revisit those choices Secondly they could have been more realistic about the implementation they never for example got the u.s. Military involved in thinking about logistics of immunizing that number of people in that short a time 3rd they didn't manage the media with great skill most of the leaders at the time were people who had grown up in the print media era and they were not as well equipped to deal with television forth they didn't weigh enough the credibility in the long term for public health to have continuing effect on the public and finally they did make. Assumptions about the virus and about the epidemiology of the virus that were not adequately scrutinized So yes things could have been done better but at the heat of the moment certain actions had to be taken the key was discriminating between the things you had to do to prepare to get the insurance laid to be ready to immunize and making the decisions separating the decision to actually begin that process based on what more you could learn are we thank you very much my pleasure thank you Dr Harvey Feinberg is a physician the president of the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation and the author of the swine flu a fair decision making on a slippery disease Dr Feinberg's report said that in the end the politicians were just trying to do right by the public sure there were missteps but they were in good faith not cynical plays for political gain the same however cannot be said for 2014 that summer there were 2 competing news stories a highly contested midterm election and a surprisingly large outbreak of Ebola in West Africa Matthew Gert's a senior fellow at Media Matters was watching both and started seeing something peculiar in that a bullet coverage there was rising fear of an outbreak not there but here I 1st started noticing this in August of 2014 can't Brantley knew the danger but when an Ebola outbreak hit Liberia earlier this year the 33 year old doctor from Indianapolis stayed to fight it as did Nancy Wright Bowl Hi Dennis from Charlotte you had 2 American missionaries who had been in West Africa who had somehow caught a bola and were brought back to u.s. Medical facilities to be treated well Richard very helpful news Jeremy arrival just spoke to his dad this morning and the words there you. Using our harshest really optimistic I prayed that God would help me be faithful even in my films and around that time you saw a sort of increasing attention to the disease not in so much as it was a lethal threat to us of people in West Africa but as to whether it was a danger to people here in the United States on Wall Street u.s. Airline stocks took a tumble today amid renewed fears of a bullet could spread via air travel just and that Ebdon flowed but then really picked up in October of 2014 and that's when we saw several medical personnel here in the United States who'd come back catch the disease be diagnosed and then an ocean of coverage follow that we're deeply concerned by the news that a health care worker in Texas has tested positive for infection with Ebola virus this is a very dangerous infection and every medical person who takes care of these people understand that there's a risk even if you are perfect in using all the gear. 2 pairs of gloves one is the other one is. Yesterday we announced that a patient at Bellevue Hospital tested positive for a moment. One repeat what I said last night there is no cause for everyday New Yorkers to be alarmed this was when Donald Trump really entered the. Light be the commander in chief for bringing a boat to New York City shortly after doctors when the missionaries were being transported back to the United States a series of tweets warning that it was a danger to the country over the weekend trying to the u.s. . Infected people back people that go to far away places to help out are great but must suffer the consequences they also tweeted the fact that we are taking the. Well of patience while others from the area are fleeing to the United States is absolutely crazy. And the White House later reviewed this and ended up concluding that trip streets were a decisive turning point that they started this process by which the American public was becoming increasingly fearful of their own safety and radical didn't stop there of course and it up tweeting about a bowl of nearly 100 times over the next 3 months going through the election and was among the 1st to call for a big travel ban between those West African countries and the United States which we later saw picked up by Republicans who were running for elections that fall and why do you think that those tweets were so I think to have you know I think it's because they were making points that no one else was because the points were very bad ones the expert consensus around this was you should try very hard not to stigmatize people who are trying to provide aid to these countries you want to make sure that you don't have these sorts of travel bans because that will make the problem substantially worse I went back and looked at the coverage and at the time public experts are making it very clear that there is no chance of a widespread of all the outbreak in America why do you think that that rational science based message was completely drowned out I think it's difficult when you have this sort of news apparatus where you have a c.d.c. Expert coming on and explaining calmly and rationally this is a serious disease but we have the situation well in hand people are spreads only by direct contact with a patient who is sick with the disease or has died from it all. With their body fluids and then the next segment is somebody claiming that ISIS terrorists all they have to do is go over to a bowl infected zone get themselves infected and then somehow come to the United States and get on a subway and they'd be able to have this massive impact and kill lots of people heard ISIS terrorists now reportedly urging supporters to use a new weapon to kill us Westerners Ebola ISIS would need to do is send a few of it sure was killers into any bowl affected zone and then get them on some mass transit somewhere where they would need to be to affect the most damage and that's what you're thinking the way in which serious news coverage and this sort of infotainment shock journalism gets put back to back I think can't help but really confuse the public about what's going on now you found that there were nearly a 1000 new segments about a boy in the month before the 2014 midterms and then in the 2 weeks following the elections there are just 15 news segments is that because the outbreak is over what I think this data really shows is the confluence of media coverage and political gamesmanship the Republicans made a very public effort to turn bold into a major political story they wanted to create the sense that the Obama administration was in danger in the public that their careful consultations with experts and their attempt to try to find solutions without stampeding into massive travel bans or anything like that was going to get people killed and I think the media to an extent played along with that and then immediately after the elections when you know for old heads and purposes there was nothing for Republicans to get out of the story they had already won they stopped talking about it the press stopped talking about it. And the story went away I think the takeaway was that you can fear monger like this and be very successful in American politics and I think that's a very dangerous message Matthew Gertz thank you very much thanks so much for having me Matthew Gertz is a senior fellow at Media Matters. It's not always fear mongering sometimes it's the real deal for example the 2003 SARS epidemic which killed hundreds of travelers so fast it all but shut down the Asian airline industry as public worry turned into debilitating fear almost overnight in a global world connected by air travel authorities constantly face the difficulty of knowing the difference between a lethal threat and the sniffles 15 years ago there was an outbreak that dramatized just how hard it is to identify disease much less contain it. 5 is this Dr Leon Yeah this is serious Tell us a doctor now with that in mind let me tell you about a man who came to New York with a very deadly disease although he didn't know it at the time this is the story of Dr Ho namely I was impressed me I thought in history for Dr Leon is an infectious disease specialist based in Singapore it started in the spring of 2003 when he saw a new patient consulted on this and knew more Nya in a girl who has just returned from travel she'd been shopping in Hong Kong he would check on her often in the hospital but she wasn't improving we were very limited in our testing abilities then and we couldn't figure out why she heard it was still a mystery when a few days later Dr Leon boarded a flight with his family to attend a conference in Manhattan with the morning in New York and we say we're going to keep awake so we're going to try to beat the jet they take a shuttle to the hotel get changed wander through Chinatown eat at a restaurant then the conference was scheduled to start so I went back to the hotel in the late afternoon realized something wasn't quite right I chill I knew I was sick. The next day. He went to the hospital they didn't know what he had this is one of several moments when Dr Leon fell through the cracks in the hospital could have been him from traveling but they didn't and he just wanted to go back to Singapore Why did you think you would be easier to go home I guess we're always terrified about the necessary costs of medicine in. The Bills could require. So they cut their trip short and get back on a plane. They're halfway across the Atlantic when airline staff come looking for Dr Lee They quickly identified me. Cif instructions from the Ministry of Health in Singapore to quarantine us and to Rio the thing the crew doesn't know why exactly but they've been told to quarantine Dr The Young and his family they moved every one. Of the $3.00 to $4.00 rows of seats at the Rio then at the 1st stop over in Frankfurt they took everyone off the plane 1st the passengers followed by the staff and the king to get me. The Centers for Disease Control today issued a health warning for Americans following a worldwide outbreak all mysterious form of pneumonia news broke a new virus was discovered in Hong Kong and naming it saw severe acute respiratory syndrome I started realizing that we might be the brink of a new epidemic today a surgeon is under quarantine in a German hospital the doctor who treated a person with the disease in Singapore this week then flew to New York for a medical conference Dr Young was Singapore's patient number 3 he'd caught the virus from that young woman the one who had just returned from Hong Kong he became very ill and he thought he might die German health officials said today the condition of a Singapore doctor believed to have been infected with the mysterious pneumonia like illness has worsened. In 2003 over 8000 people worldwide in fact SARS and it killed nearly one in 10 of those infected in traveling to that conference Dr Leon could have caused an outbreak in New York City who should have stopped you should it have been the airline should it have been the authorities and Singapore should in the authorities in New York I think everyone has to go to take his hospital in Singapore should have been more cautious he should have been flagged by the doctors in New York and he should have known not to fly after all he is a specialist in infectious disease now looking back at what you did do you feel badly like should you have stopped yourself I feel stupid. If you stupid I said bothered to pay he was not alone SARS spread in many cases by air travel to over $25.00 countries flash forward to September 5th of this year when a pilot on a 14 hour flight from Dubai to New York called officials at j.f.k. Airport to say. There seemed to be a lot of sick people on this plane by landed at j.f.k. Wednesday morning to a cluster of flashing lights paramedics and law enforcement waiting for them on the tarmac dozens of emergency vehicles met the plane away from the terminal the Centers for Disease Control wouldn't let anyone off. And then after you know 20 minutes of no information no water the bathrooms are unusable by the end that really frustrated passengers told Fox 5 News it was the flight from hell there was coughing sneezing everyone had their temperature taken after 2 and a half hours on the tarmac they were finally released where they met their families and a mob of t.v. Cameras. That afternoon 5 hours later the Department of Health a press conference this was a flight that had 521 passengers 100 of 6 of them presented with symptoms ranging from. Fever vomiting but over the course of the day that number went down lot just 11 people went to the hospital some had a minor flu others just had a common cold mostly people thought they were sick so what happened here it does it doesn't make sense that sometimes the symptoms themselves become contagious we see this a lot like in high schools one person vomits on the rest of the start vomiting Dr Amish at the John Hopkins Center for Health Security basically people got scared and freaked out fear is contagious so I guess that's what ends up happening with the tagline from contagion I think it's actually nothing spreads like fear the question is did this fear cause the public health officials and the airline to overreact and I do believe that what that pilot did on the Emirates flight was right. As inconvenient as this flight from hell was for the passengers it's thanks to SARS that there are systems in place sick passengers alert pilot. 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This is on the media I'm Amanda around Chick and I'm Bob Garfield another flu season is upon us another set of reminders to get your vaccination and once again another season of public complacency 'd is the nasty guys even athletes at the stand not yet knives think that they are going to get going I am pleased I am to have a gun and 'd it is one of the paradoxes of pathogenesis the public that can be terrified can also be impassive one minute in a panic the next in denial why the lack of urgency the answer may reside in a 2017 study by the Pew Research Center 'd on Public Trust for various institutions of society 'd it found that 55 percent of Americans hold a lot of trust 'd in information from medical scientists 'd 'd but converse Lee of course that's 45 percent 'd who do not 'd have a lot of trust 'd Moreover the percentage with a lot of trust in medical information from the pharmaceutical industry 'd is 13 percent 'd the news media 8 percent 'd elected officials 6 percent these results paralleled other surveys revealing plummeting levels of faith in American institutions in general and trust around in our survey shows a whopping 37 percent drop last year and trust among Americans again government media business and non-government organizations basically everybody in power nobody trusts these are problematic findings under any circumstances but in the face of the next pandemic what might the public be told what might it be lieve or disbelieve 'd To make matters worse Well at least one expert says don't panic about that Professor Dominic for Sarge Here's the department of life Sciences 'd Communication at the University of Wisconsin Madison she researches public perception and messaging over infectious disease. She says that when push comes to shove we do manage to act. Based on sources we do trust research is built on analysis. A social m.p.v. Cation a Frisco frame or what media thousands about what's happening society is what most likely we will rely on to form or not combine with our by ground our knowledge of the issue and so on so you have the real crisis event which is the pathogen and then you will have what we called m.p.c. Cation stations media will report we headlined that there are sensational that exaggerate the risk and so on or downplay the reason we talk to colleagues we talk to are funny all those amplification station that may distort what the media had said so when we think about Bobby coping and we do remember that all those amplifications stations all around us you know our social contacts that you know as the stories about risk and how we should feel about them all right let's start with h one n one of variant of the virus that caused the 918 pandemic in 2009 the World Health Organization declared a pandemic for that years version of h one n one what did the messaging look like in 2009 Americans were phoning very closely what was going on but the news report coring the swine flu outbreak and yet validity of the vaccine made them marry kens comfy then that the government was able to handle death rate and that's pretty due to the fact that there was a distribution of and they viral drugs and that there was a developing a vaccine in the making that contributed to this they didn't worry much the C.D.C.'s got our backs were good but yeah then the numbers of cases and the numbers of deaths began to. Take off what happened then by the end of the last reported poll around that time only 51 percent of people had the senior levels of confidence from the beginning so yes indeed public office can change the bending of how the natures he handles the disease or the potential breaks all right that's h one n one as we've heard earlier in the show very different narrative for Ebola the c.d.c. In many respects hit it right on the nose that it bola while highly contagious with personal contact you know you're not going to get it because somebody sneezes and therefore it's not likely to create any kind of widespread outbreak what could the c.d.c. Have done differently in crisis communication we always say whoever's as the floor and send their message will wean the messaging bottle the problem is the c.d.c. Was absent and kill later on I think the c.d.c. Crew that have been more active even issuing some press releases to the media you know all of this I was was going on overseas it's kind of strange though because it's not their mandate they're supposed to keep the American public safe although in international media were seen extensive coverage of that crisis we were not seen you can reporting because nobody was feeding them to them there was what we called an e.p. Saadiq car Ridge in media that was related to events right so when you have both the case happen in United States that gave 3 End of Food for reporters to write stories but not in what we call a thematic way not talking about the disease preparing the American public and the sun what what that is about what where that they contagious say of factors and so on so I think he was the 7th arrival and the short. Timeframe that made the c.d.c. More vulnerable when they could have prepared before hand to put then surely handled the crisis you take heart in 2016 Zico outbreak a mosquito borne disease and another ghastly one which seems to be moving northward from Latin America like Killer bees or migrant caravans to invade our placid republic in this case unlike h one n one as the days and weeks passed confidence in authorities grew why. Indeed confidence from the c.d.c. And other organizations that are supposed to make us safe can come back when the agencies handle a crisis is very well if you look at media coverage of the z. Cat and then me at the end of 2015 already there was some reporting what was going on in Brazil was discussed different that they prefer research it was going on was also reported so I think in this Zeke Cohen thanks people were following very closely what was going on the c.d.c. Messaging was much more consistent and was much more spread than that context and this all contributed in increasing confidence from the American public we saw that some news organization in Florida actually did a good job doing what we call in communication him magic reporting not just focusing on events based but giving somebody ground that will tell the readers what exactly is going on you know we call it context that's a good way to do it it and that is sometimes absent Yes. So far we've been discussing infectious disease I want to turn for a moment to the flipside of that the subject of vaccines. We are and have been for the past 5 years or so in the midst of hysteria resulting in measurably bad public health outcomes and I'm speaking of the anti vax movement what has this done to the trust equation in all matters of infectious disease. What is clear is that the 1st mistake that we making is just as humane that concerns of some people are not valid when you should have a mother that's concerned about vaccines Well a concern is a concern we cannot say that the concern is not valued we can say they may not be sente Kevin to support it but they hear you we know by research that people want change they're just based on the facts we need to appeal to all the type of dimensions as you a journal has you would bring a human interest angle to you story you going to put the phase undies you know sick child how can we use narrative to tell the stories that would persuade people to listen to science says they we know they don't listen just a statistic in scientific facts and to be fair Big Pharma has a lot to answer for but interest search suppressed research illegal marketing which brings up the question faced with an 1800 scale pandemic worth Pharma and the government able to develop and manufacture a vaccine quickly do you have confidence that enough of the public would be confident to take its medicine to prevent catastrophe I mean you saw what happened we think all the recalled letters in supermarkets we see it right. Right and you know what the American public did they all throughout the lettuce they all actually make sure they were not eating that So you're saying remember the Romaine exactly remember the romaine. Dominic Many thanks thank you very much Bob Dominick Brossard is the chair of the Department of Life Sciences Communication at the University of Wisconsin Madison what Professor Brossard has to say is encouraging I suppose remember the Romane is a pretty good slogan and we didn't all get poisoned by e-coli but it cannot be the last word partly because Lost trust is not all about rhetoric the public has seen what it has seen it has watched the government lie over Vietnam and Iraq and watch the media credulously pass on those lies it's watched public health officials botched the Suppose that killer flu of 1906 and the Ebola outbreak of 2014 it is watched Big Pharma rush bad drugs and devices to market sometimes on the basis of fudged or cherry picked scientific data it is watched researchers bribed by industry and medical journals print research ghost written by drug companies if there were a trust gap of course there's a trust gap and where the flu is concerned the untrusting don't know the half of it scientists may be quick to identify new strains and designed vaccines accordingly but if we must inoculate $330000000.00 Americans much less the whole world author Laurie Garrett tells us the infrastructure is an equal to the task there are only a handful of vaccine manufacturers on the planet there are of course concentrated in North America and Europe we still can't even begin to make a 1000000000 doses of vaccine in a timely manner fact we barely can make 500000000. Into osis and we have more than 7000000000 homo sapiens which means of course choices will have to be made tree odds on a grand scale based on what Garrett says you know exactly what the answer is you know if you're on that continent screw you if you're on this continent Ok get in line you're in the rich world you get 1st access that's the never ending story in an increasingly nationalistic world one hostile to so many categories of powerlessness what she describes is path of genocide as populism rises the social order is breaking down it's getting harder and harder to have a sense of solidarity in the face of a microbial threat and harder and harder to have a sense of shared sacrifice shared needs shared threat and we're in this really sickening situation now where the conspiracy if you will of profit motive and populism is imperiling all our health and I don't have a solution for that these are the stakes if we're considering risk and behavior in the midst of contagion it's not just the nature of the next pathogen it's also the nature of the society in which it spreads as we heard for the next onslaught whenever that may come we must also contend with the plague of suspicion buried deep within ourselves. a collaboration with the Museum of the city of New York and New York Academy of Medicine visit w n y c dot org slash germ city for more stories thanks to you Amanda thank you Bob Brooke Gladstone will be back next week I'm Bob Garfield. 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In New York this is on the media Garfield and I'm Amanda who reports on health for w n y c sitting in for Brooke this week to focus on the infection level is extremely high the New concerns this morning after the 1st measles death in this country in more than a decade we have news tonight about the explosion of the West Nile virus so far in the u.s. There are more than 30 cases detected you know 11 states in the District of Columbia 41 people have died and infections are multiplying at 4 times the usual race that is the deadliest outbreak on record while political rhetoric focuses on phony threats from asylum seekers and undocumented workers at any moment our security is a 100 year storm another pandemic is inevitable and so in the centennial of the 1918 flu this week we look at our vulnerability which depends not only on vaccines and antibiotics and other scientific knowledge but on politics messaging and public trust and historical moment when no fact is immune from political spin and science itself is under attack how will medical knowledge human nature fake news dark Pollack. And the lessons of history converge to determine our feet we begin with the flu of a century ago a world event so cataclysmic that over the years it's enormity grows and grows as if the pile of dead bodies itself is mounting over time all the numbers that have been attached to the size of the death toll of this pandemic were based on extrapolations from what was known in the few parts of the world that had record keeping and health departments to do that sort of thing Laurie Garrett is a science journalist and the author of The Coming Plague Newly Emerging Diseases in a world out of balance so that was the official tally for most of the 20th century and then people started thinking wait a 2nd there were cases in China which was a huge country there were occasions in India which was a huge country how come we don't have the numbers and it's actually not until pretty much the end of the 20th century that you start to have really scrupulous attempts to figure out how massive had the global toll been and then the toll starts to jack up to somewhere between 75100000000 I mean this whole parts of the planet that weren't even counted like most of Africa as far as we can tell there was no place on earth that missed the 1918 flu for more than a year the flu was the overarching reality of daily life on Earth there are any number of reports to be found where an individual got on the subway in Coney Island and was dead by the time they reached the upper east side it was hemorrhagic people's bodies turned black they had internal bleeding they coughed up blood as if the brutal violence to the body wasn't enough the pandemic came at the tail end of the 1st World War what was then the world's deadliest So there already was a sense of trauma and grief going on in the background and along comes this plague . My uncle was a 5 year old when the epidemic started in Baltimore all the schools were closed in Baltimore and his father ordered all the children to remain inside the house until whatever this is ends so for months they were locked basically inside the home and his job as a little boy was to sit in a certain place by the front window and keep a log of hearses coming down the street and see if he can identify how many caskets were pulled out of the neighbors' houses imagine that was his job and yet incredibly unimaginable as it may seem in today's breathless hype filled media environment the overarching story of life on Earth wasn't big news it's interesting because as the flu rolled out across the nation it's remarkable when you go through old newspapers to see how little coverage it actually got and I think everybody who's ever dug into the history of 1900 has been struck by this there's only a you know a few newspapers that were really dedicated to the story and of course there was no such thing as a science reporter or a health reporter these were written by the same guy who yesterday was covering a brawl in a high school gym you know and so while countless families were burying the dead even the yellowest of the yellow press were burying the lead you have to wonder had an epidemic like that occurred without the competition from the war or that it would have had more attention Nancy Thomas is a historian and author of the gospel of germs men women and the microbe in American life I asked her given that these were the wild west days of Pulitzer and her 1st was the coverage responsible My sense is that given the potential to play the yellow journalism card here that the coverage of the epidemic. Was relatively restraint that's not to say there wasn't criticism published specific acts the commissioner of health in New York City you know there's some grumbling he does this he does that but that sensationalism was on the strictly political side machine politics setting Tammany Hall against this that reform or that kind of political fodder and Lance making a sensational bid to undermine the authority of a public health department What were people told to do to manage the spread of the infection. In fact the basic tools of managing an influenza epidemic were taken an out of the curriculum this tool kit you could kind of take posters that were indeed tuberculosis posters and you see them just being retrofitted with Be careful of how you sneeze to avoid getting the flu but tuberculosis is not highly contagious so with an influenza epidemic because it is so much more contagious really the smartest thing you can do and still do is to stay home I want to ask you about the mechanics of public health messaging What did the public health authorities do to tell you to quarantine the ill to tell you not to cough in somebody else's face to get this information out so they were borrowing a lot from American advertising in this time period so they would try to come up with then add equivalent for where your mouth when you cough or don't spit on the sidewalks they also did as much as they possibly could education so little kids start to get this kind of training there are these hysterical. Photos you can find of little kids being put through a handkerchief drill you know to teach them how it's nice right if someone did get sick in your family and you were in a working class immigrant you would get a public health nurse sent to you and that nurse would explain a lot of this stuff to you there are a number of historical watersheds that are deemed to have changed the society did the flu pandemic of 1918 change American society this is big big bone of contention because there's a famous book about the pandemic that basically said it was repressed it was extremely traumatic I can remember members of my family talking about it experiencing yet so it wasn't like it disappeared entirely but it is just so much going on seeing all of these young people die how that intersects with stories about veterans coming back and discussing what it was like fighting in the trenches so I think it all gets kind of muddled up in a way that makes it hard to pull out the influenza as a cost by itself and that's it thank you. 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Health officials say it may be related to the strain that killed so many people in 1000 this was early 1976 Dr Harvey Feinberg former dean of the Harvard School of Public Health recalls that it was a winter of bitter cold a number of soldiers at Fort Dix in January and February of 1976 came down with us or our soldiers under. By a peculiar. One of those who got out of his sick bed went on a forced March and then collapsed and. Turned on further examination at the Centers for Disease Control to be the swine flu virus the same type that had caused the great pandemic of 1819. Feinberg knows every detail as co-author of the government's report the swine flu affair decision making on a slippery disease it fell to him to document the $976.00 lethal pandemic that wasn't it turned out to be an unprecedented national public health mobilization for an infection that never spread within weeks of the Fort Dix death the Government commissioned mask. Production of a flu vaccine while public health officials embarked on an equally massive campaign to inform folks that yeah it's the swine flu it's bad and it is truly contagious hear about it and. On your Really. Good. Luck Here's President Ford himself rolling up his sleeves for the White House position is all done he said he didn't really. Know what a trooper in 10 weeks time 45000000 more Americans got flu shots the good news is that the Fort Dix flu never left Fort Dix The bad news was that a wary post Vietnam public was left once again to doubt the government in a matter of life and death Harvey Feinberg says it came down to the complexities of both risk assessment and intervention you could think of it as a kind of insurance scheme but the decision at the time didn't separate that insurance of producing the vaccine from the decision to go ahead and try to immunize all of the American public is the difference between the odds and the level of risk right if the chances of an event are relatively small but the risk is unthinkable governments are obliged to be on the safe side you personally are never going to be in a hijacked airplane that's flown into a building but you still have to remove your belt and shoes when you fly in so to hundreds of millions of other people who are also not going to be in a hijacked airplane it's a cost benefit ratio now there is a difference an important difference between the likelihood that something will occur and the severity of the event if it does occur interestingly at the time there was no effort to be explicit about these aside. Engines and part of what made it difficult over months was that they never asked themselves the question if it changed what would lead us to do something other than what we are now on a course to do the officials at the c.d.c. And in the White House certainly understood that Chicken Little effect which is to say when the government does take drastic measures just in case if the sky doesn't fall a pandemic doesn't materialize they're perceived to have overreacted so if they fail they fail if they succeed they fail you're right in fact some people have even said if there had been a pandemic that year public health authorities would have been faulted for not having done enough to get actually get the vaccine soon enough there is a kind of damned if you do damned if you don't character to these decisions in the end in public health you weigh very heavily the protection of the public against this risk of reputation or future credibility but one of the lessons of the sawing flew affair was that long term credibility also matters the New York Times wrote a story 2 of the 3 major networks reported on something that happened early on a government announcement about a potential health crisis related to swine flu based on what the government told them or they responsible in the reporting where they stare or goal how would you characterize the immediate reaction from the press what was especially fascinating at the time was the different ways in which the several news networks when about investigating the background for this story John Cochran at n.b.c. News was the lead in looking into the question of what's behind this announcement that there's going to be. Serious pandemic and the government has to do something he used his White House connections to talk to many of the officials at the White House and he found none of them enthusiastic about this and he concluded that the politicians were forced to do the bidding of the scientific and health experts the other approach was Robert Pierpoint at c.b.s. Who received a call from his Atlanta bureau that there was dissent within the Centers for Disease Control and he talked to experts within the c.d.c. a Number of told him that the decision to go ahead and announce a mass vaccination program was premature and unwise so he concluded that there must have been a political motive this was after all an election year and that there was something other than the science that was driving this choice and it's fascinating when you review the actual coverage through the year that the difference in perspective framed at the outset persisted throughout the entire coverage of this story n.b.c. Much more sympathetic to government c.b.s. Much more critical of the policy choice you know we talk about another fable Chicken Little This one's the blind man in the elephant the reporting was cued based on which beat the reporters were on and who they were accustomed to talking to it's a cautionary tale for journalists not to leap to their own conclusions based on talking only to one side of the argument and here in a way both were legitimate it is true most government officials were very reluctant many experts within the c.d.c. Felt it was as yet unjustified but the leadership of the. Public health establishment the head of c.d.c. The secretaries assistant secretaries in what was then health education welfare they felt compelled to protect the public it was not a political decision Dick Newstead and I who did a review for the new secretary Joe Caliph looking at this episode in the immediate aftermath could find no basis for a political motive in these decisions and in fact it's not clear what the right choice is from a political point of view you've mentioned that there were false assumptions made at the time based on insufficient data and they went for an all in strategy to address what turned out to be a minor outbreak but the question is did public health and government officials act correctly based on their lousy data did they act incorrectly I guess what I'm asking is did they blow it I do think that things could have been done better and they could have been done better in 5 ways 1st they could have done better at laying the base for programmers view being more explicit about what assumptions they were making and when they could revisit those choices Secondly they could have been more realistic about the implementation they never for example got the u.s. Military involved in thinking about logistics of immunizing that number of people in that short a time 3rd they didn't manage the media with great skill most of the leaders at the time were people who had grown up in the print media era and they were not as well equipped to deal with television forth they didn't weigh enough the credibility in the long term for public health to have continuing effect on the public and finally they did make. Assumptions about the virus and about the epidemiology of the virus that were not adequately scrutinized So yes things could have been done better but at the heat of the moment certain actions had to be taken the key was discriminating between the things you had to do to prepare to get the insurance laid to be ready to immunize and making the decision separating the decision to actually begin that process based on what more you could learn are we thank you very much my pleasure thank you Dr Harvey Feinberg is a physician the president of the Gordon and Betty Moore Foundation and the author of the swine flu a fair decision making on a slippery disease Dr Feinberg's report said that in the end the politicians were just trying to do right by the public sure there were missteps but they were in good faith not cynical plays for political gain the same however cannot be said for 2014 that summer there were 2 competing news stories a highly contested midterm election and a surprisingly large outbreak of Ebola in West Africa Matthew Gert's a senior fellow at Media Matters was watching both and started seeing something peculiar in that a ball of coverage there was rising fear of an outbreak not there but here I 1st started noticing this in August of 2014 can't Brantley knew the danger but when an Ebola outbreak hit Liberia earlier this year the 33 year old doctor from Indianapolis stayed to fight it as did Nancy Wright bowl a high dentist from Charlotte you had 2 American missionaries who had been in West Africa who had somehow caught a bola and were brought back to u.s. Medical facilities to be treated well Richard very helpful news Jeremy arrival just spoke to his dad this morning and the words there you. Using our harshest really optimistic I prayed that God would help me be faithful even in my films and around that time you saw a sort of increasing attention to the disease not in so much as it was a lethal threat to us of people in West Africa but as to whether it was a danger to people here in the United States Wall Street u.s. Airline stocks took a tumble today amid renewed fears of a bola could spread via air travel just and that Ebdon flowed but then really picked up in October of 2014 and that's when we saw several medical personnel here in the United States who'd come back catch the disease be diagnosed and then an ocean of coverage followed that we're deeply concerned by the news that a health care worker in Texas has tested positive for infection with Ebola virus this is a very dangerous infection and every medical person who takes care of these people understands that there's a risk even if you are perfect in using all the gear. 2 pairs of gloves one is nitrile and the other one is. Yesterday we announced that a patient at Bellevue Hospital tested positive for a moment. One repeat what I said last night there is no cause for every day New Yorkers to be alarmed this was when Donald Trump really entered the store blaming the commander in chief for bringing a boat to New York City shortly after doctors when the missionaries were being transported back to the United States he issued a series of tweets warning that it was a danger to the country over the weekend trying to we did the u.s. Cannot allow able infected people back people that go to far away places to help out are great but must suffer the consequences he also tweeted the fact that we are taking the. A bowl of patients while others from the area are fleeing to the United States is absolutely crazy. And the White House later reviewed this and ended up concluding that trip streets were a decisive turning point that they started this process by which the American public was becoming increasingly fearful of their own safety around the ball didn't stop there of course and it up tweeting about a bola nearly 100 times over the next 3 months going through the election and was among the 1st to call for a big travel ban between those West African countries and the United States which we later saw picked up by Republicans who were running for elections that fall and why do you think that those tweets were so affective you know I think it's because they were making points that no one else was because the points were very bad ones the expert consensus around this was you should try very hard not to stigmatize people who are trying to provide aid to these countries you want to make sure that you don't have these sorts of travel bans because that will make the problem substantially worse I went back and looked at the coverage and at the time public experts are making it very clear that there is no chance of a widespread outbreak in America why do you think that that rational science based message was completely drowned out I think it's difficult when you have this sort of news apparatus where you have a c.d.c. Expert coming on and explaining calmly and rationally this is a serious disease but we have a situation well in hand Ebola spreads and we buy direct contact with a patient who is sick with the disease or has died from it in. With their body fluids and then the next segment is somebody claiming that ISIS terrorists all they have to do is go over to a ball infected zone get themselves infected and then somehow come to the United States and get on a subway and they'd be able to have this massive impact and kill lots of people are murdered ISIS terrorists now reportedly urging supporters to use a new weapon to kill us Westerners Ebola I think we need to do is send a few of it sure was side killers into any bowl affected zone and then get them on a mass transit somewhere where they would need to be to affect the most damage and that's what your function the way in which serious news coverage and this sort of infotainment schlock journalism gets put back to back I think can't help but really confuse the public about what's going on and you found that there were nearly a 1000 new segments about a boy in the month before the 2014 midterms and then in the 2 weeks following the elections there are just 15 news segments is that because the outbreak is over what I think this data really shows is the confluence of media coverage and political gamesmanship the Republicans made a very public effort to turn it into a major political story they wanted to create the sense that the Obama administration was in danger in the public that their careful consultations with experts and their attempt to try to find solutions without stampeding into massive travel bans or anything like that was going to get people killed and I think the media to an extent played along with that and then immediately after the elections when you know for all the ads and purposes there was nothing for Republicans to get out of the story they had already won they stopped talking about it the press stopped talking about it. And the story went away I think the takeaway was that you can fear monger like this and be very successful in American politics and I think that's a very dangerous message Matthew Gertz thank you very much thanks so much for having me Matthew Gertz is a senior fellow at Media Matters. It's not always fear mongering sometimes it's the real deal for example the 2003 SARS epidemic which killed hundreds of travelers so fast it all but shut down the Asian airline industry as public worry turned into debilitating fear almost overnight in a global world connected by air travel authorities constantly face the difficulty of knowing the difference between a lethal threat and the sniffles 15 years ago there was an outbreak that dramatized just how hard it is to identify disease much less contain it. 5 is this Dr Leon Yeah this is this is tell you this is something with that in mind let me tell you about a man who came to New York with a very deadly disease although he didn't know it at the time this is the story of Dr Ho namely on I was impressed me I thought in history for Dr Leon is an infectious disease specialist based in Singapore it started in the spring of 2003 when he saw a new patient was consulted on this and more Nya in a Go has just returned from travel she'd been shopping in Hong Kong he would check on her often in the hospital but she wasn't improving we were very limited in our testing abilities then and we couldn't figure out why she heard it was still a mystery when a few days later Dr Leon boarded a flight with his family to attend a conference in Manhattan with the morning in New York and we say we're going to keep awake so we're going to try to beat the jet they take a shuttle to the hotel get changed wander through Chinatown eat at a restaurant then the conference was scheduled to start so I went back to the hotel in the late afternoon this way realized something wasn't quite right I had to I knew I was sick. The next day. He went to the hospital they didn't know what he had this is one of several moments when doctor the young fellow through the cracks in the hospital could have forbidden him from traveling but they didn't and he just wanted to go back to Singapore Why did you think it would be easier to go home I guess we're always terrified about the necessary costs of. The Bill. So they cut their trip short and get back on a plane. They're halfway across the Atlantic when airline staff come looking for a doctor. They quickly identified. From The Ministry of Health in Singapore to quarantine the pany the crew doesn't know why exactly but they've been told to quarantine Dr The Young and his family moved. The 3 to 4 rows at the Rio then at the 1st stop over in Frankfurt they took everyone off the plane 1st the passengers followed by the staff and the king to get me. The Centers for Disease Control today issued a health warning for Americans following a worldwide outbreak all mysterious form of pneumonia news broke a new virus was discovered in Hong Kong and naming it saw severe acute respiratory syndrome I started realizing that the brink of a new epidemic today a surgeon is under quarantine in a German hospital the doctor who treated a person with the disease in Singapore this week then flew to New York for a medical conference Dr Young was Singapore's patient number 3 he'd caught the virus from that young woman the one who had just returned from Hong Kong he became very ill and he thought he might die German health officials said today the condition of a Singapore doctor believed to have been infected with the mysterious pneumonia like illness has worsened. In 2003 over 8000 people worldwide contracted SARS and it killed nearly one in 10 of those infected in traveling to that conference Dr Leon could have caused an outbreak in New York City who should have stopped you should it have been the airline should it have been the authorities and the authorities in New York I think everyone has a role to play his hospital in Singapore should have been more cautious he should have been flagged by the doctors in New York and he should have known not to fly after all he is a specialist in infectious disease now looking back at what you did do you feel badly like should you have stopped yourself I feel stupid. To pay he was not alone SARS spread in many cases by air travel to over 25 countries flash forward to September 5th of this year when a pilot on a 14 hour flight from Dubai to New York called officials at j.f.k. Airport to say. There seemed to be a lot of sick people on this plane by landed at j.f.k. Wednesday morning to a cluster of flashing lights paramedics and law enforcement waiting for them on the tarmac dozens of emergency vehicles met the plane away from the terminal the Centers for Disease Control wouldn't let anyone off. And that really passengers told Fox 5 News it was the flight from hell there was coughing sneezing everyone had their temperature taken after 2 and a half hours on the tarmac they were finally released where they met their families . Cameras. That afternoon 5 hours later the Department of Health a press conference this was a flight that had 521 passengers 100 of 6 of them presented with symptoms ranging from cough fever vomiting but over the course of the day that number went down lot just 11 people went to the hospital some had a minor flu others just had a common cold mostly people thought they were sick so what happened here it does it doesn't make sense that sometimes the symptoms themselves become contagious we see this a lot like in high schools one person vomits in on the rest of the start bombing Dr Amish at the John Hopkins Center for Health Security basically people got scared and freaked out fear is contagious so I guess that's what ends up happening which the tagline from contagion I think it's actually nothing spreads like fear the question is did this fear cause the public health officials and the airline to overreact and I do believe that what that pilot did on the Emirates flight was right. 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This is on the media I'm Amanda around Chick and I'm Bob Garfield another flu season is upon us another set of reminders to get your vaccination and once again another season of public complacency is the nasty guys even at the place at the stand not yet and I do think that they are going to get going I am pleased I am gonna know 'd it is one of the paradoxes of pathogenesis the public that can be terrified can also be impassive one 'd minute in a panic the next in denial why the lack of urgency 'd the answer may reside in the 2017 study by the Pew Research center 'd 'd on public trust for various institutions of society 'd it found that 55 percent of Americans 'd hold a lot 'd of trust 'd in information from medical scientists 'd 'd but converse Lee of course that's 45 percent 'd who do not have a lot of trust 'd Moreover the percentage with a lot of trust in medical information from the pharmaceutical industry 'd is 13 percent 'd the newsmedia 'd 8 percent 'd elected officials 'd 6 percent these results paralleled other surveys revealing plummeting levels of faith in American institutions in general and trust around in our survey shows a whopping 37 percent drop in last year and trust among Americans again government media business and non-government organizations basically everybody in power nobody trusts and these are problematic findings under any circumstances but in the face of the next pandemic what might the public be told what might it be lieve or disbelief to make matters worse Well at least one expert says don't panic about that Professor Dominic pursue the Department of Life Sciences Communication at the University of Wisconsin Madison she researches public perception and messaging over infectious disease outbreaks. She says that when push comes to we do manage to act . Based on sources we do trust research is built on analysis. A social m.p.v. Cation a Frisco frame or what media thousands about what's happening in society ease what most likely we will rely on to form an attitude combined with our bad ground our knowledge of the issue and so on so you have the real crisis event which is the pathogen and then you will have what we called m.p.c. Cation stations media will report we've headlined that there sensational that exaggerate the risk and so on or downplay. We talk to colleagues we talk to are funny all those amplification station that may distort what the media had said so when we think about Bobby coping and we do remember that all those amplification stations all around us you know our social contacts that he knows the stories about risk and how we should feel about them all right let's start with h one n one of variant of the virus that caused the 918 pandemic in 2009 the World Health Organization declared a pandemic for that years version of h one n one what did the messaging look like in 2009 Americans where phone in very closely what was going on but the news report coring the swine flu outbreak and yet delivered the vaccine made them marry cans comfy then that the government was able to handle yet break and that's partly due to the fact that there was a distribution enough and they viral drugs and that there was a developing a vaccine in the making that contributed to this they didn't worry much the C.D.C.'s got our backs were good but yeah then the numbers of cases and the numbers of deaths began to take. Off What happened then by the end of the last reported poll around that time only 51 percent of people had the senior levels of confidence from the beginning so yes indeed public office can change depending of how the nature is he handles the disease or the potential outbreak Alright that's h one n one as we've heard earlier in the show very different narrative for Ebola the c.d.c. In many respects hit it right on the nose that it bola while highly contagious with personal contact you know you're not going to get it because somebody sneezes and therefore it's not likely to create any kind of widespread outbreak what could the c.d.c. Have done differently in crisis communication we always say whoever's as the floor and send their message will we know the messaging bottle the problem is the c.d.c. Was absent and kill later on I think the c.d.c. Crew that have been more active even issuing some press releases to the media you know about this I was was going on overseas it's kind of strange though because it's not their mandate they're supposed to keep the American public safe although in international media were seen extensive coverage of that crisis we were not see need to marry can reporting because nobody was feeding them to them there was what we called an e.p. Zadok car Ridge in media that was related to events right so Wendy both cases happen in United States that gave plenty of food for reporters to write stories but not in what we call a thematic way not talking about the disease preparing the American public and the standing what what that these about what where that they contagious of factors and so on so I think he was the 7th arrival and the short. Timeframe that made the c.d.c. More vulnerable when they could have prepared before hand to potentially handle the crisis you take heart in 2016 Zico outbreak a mosquito borne disease and another ghastly one which seems to be moving northward from Latin America like Killer bees or migrant caravans to invade our placid republic in this case unlike h one n one as the days and weeks past confidence in authorities grew why. Indeed confidence from the c.d.c. And other organizations that are supposed to make us safe can come back when the agencies handle a crisis is very well if you look at media coverage of the Zico pandemic at the end of 2015 already there was some reporting what was going on in Brazil was discussed the different that type of phone research that was going on was also reported so I think in this context people were fighting very closely what was going on the c.d.c. Messaging was much more consistent and was much more spread than that context and this all contributed in increasing confidence from the American public we saw that some news organization in Florida actually did a good job doing what we call in communication him magic reporting not just focusing on events based but giving somebody ground that will tell the readers what exactly is going on you know we call it context that's a good way to do it it and that is sometimes absent Yes. So far we've been discussing infectious disease I want to turn for a moment to the flipside of that the subject of vaccines we are and have been for the past 5 years or so in the midst of hysteria resulting in measurably bad public health outcomes and I'm speaking of the anti vax movement or what has this done to the trust equation in all matters of infectious disease. What is clear is that the 1st mistake that we making is just as humane that concerns of some people are not valid when you have a mother that's concerned about vaccines Well a concern is a concern we cannot say that the concern is not valid we can say they may not be sente Kevin to support it but they hear you we know by research that people want change they're just based on the facts we need to appeal to all the type of dimensions as you a journey as you would bring a human interest I go to you story you're going to put a face on d.s. You know seek child how can we use narrative to tell the stories that would persuade people to listen to science says they we know they don't listen just a statistic in scientific facts and to be fair Big Pharma has a lot to answer for flood risk search suppressed research illegal marketing which brings up the question faced with an 1800 scale pandemic worth Pharma and the government able to develop and manufacture a vaccine quickly do you have confidence that enough of the public would be confident to take its medicine to prevent catastrophe I mean you saw what happened we think all the recalled letters in supermarkets we see it right. Right and you know what the American public did they all throughout the lettuce they all actually make sure they were not eating that So you're saying remember the Romaine exactly remember the romaine. Dominic Many thanks thank you very much Bob Dominick Brossard is the chair of the Department of Life Sciences Communication at the University of Wisconsin Madison what Professor Brossard has to say is encouraging I suppose remember the Romane is a pretty good slogan and we didn't all get poisoned by e. Coli but it cannot be the last word partly because Lost trust is not all about rhetoric the public has seen what it has seen it has watched the government lie over Vietnam and Iraq and watch the media credulously pass on those lies it's watched public health officials botched the supposed that killer flu of 1976 and the Ebola outbreak of 2014 it is watched Big Pharma rush bad drugs and devices to market sometimes on the basis of fudged or cherry picked scientific data it is watched researchers bribed by industry and medical journals print research ghostwritten by drug companies is there a trust gap of course there's a trust gap and where the flu is concerned the untrusting don't know the half of it scientists may be quick to identify new strains and designed vaccines accordingly but if we must inoculate $330000000.00 Americans much less the whole world author Laurie Garrett tells us the infrastructure is an equal to the task there are only a handful of vaccine manufacturers on the planet and they are of course concentrated in North America and Europe we still can't even begin to make a 1000000000 doses of vaccine in a timely manner In fact we barely can make 500000000. Into osis and we have more than 7000000000 homo sapiens which means of course choices will have to be made tree odds on a grand scale based on what Garrett says you know exactly what the answer is you know if you're on that continent screw you if you're on this continent Ok get in line you're in the rich world you get 1st access that's the never ending story in an increasingly nationalistic world one hostile to so many categories of powerlessness what she describes is path of genocide as populism rises the social order is breaking down it's getting harder and harder to have a sense of solidarity in the face of a microbial threat and harder and harder to have a sense of shared sacrifice shared needs shared threat and we're in this really sickening situation now where the conspiracy if you will of profit motive and populism is imperiling all our health and I don't have a solution for that these are the stakes if we're considering risk and behavior in the midst of contagion it's not just the nature of the next pathogen it's also the nature of the society in which it spreads as we gird for the next onslaught whenever that may come we must also contend with the plague of suspicion buried deep within ourselves. n y c dot org slash germ city for more stories thanks to you Amanda thank you Bob Brooke let's go will be back next week I'm Bob Garfield. 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Trump's former campaign manager is about to go on trial will speak to a Washington Post journalist covering the story is sexual abuse endemic in the aid industry that's what some British M.P.'s believe after scandals in Haiti Liberia and elsewhere and willful act correspondent on the trail of former Islamic state fighters who fled Syria got exclusive access to go on patrol with Turkish counter territories all that plus the latest Boortz and business news coming up here on news day after we round up the latest world news. I'm Stuart Mackintosh with the b.b.c. News Hello President Trump has offered to meet Iran's leaders without any preconditions at a time of their choosing He said he wanted to work out something meaningful to replace the multinational nuclear agreement with Iran which the United States abandoned in May Here's our correspondent in the us Peter both zone the Iranian response an advisor to President Rouhani has tweeted a response to what Mr Trump said that returning to the nuclear deal and respecting the Iranian nation's rights would pave the way for talks now in his comments at the White House we didn't get any indication at all from Donald Trump that he is considering a return to the deal in fact far from it this may well be a tactic and a fairly typical tactic of Donald Trump to think out of the box at least the conventional way of going about international diplomacy whether that aspiration is shared by his administration across the board is hard to tell u.s. Intelligence officials have told The Washington Post newspaper that North Korea appears to be building new ballistic missiles in spite of warming ties with the trumpet ministration the officials speaking anonymously told the newspaper that new evidence suggested work was still taking place at a factory near Pyongyang that produced the 1st North Korean missiles capable of reaching the United States. Votes are being counted in Zimbabwe's presidential and parliamentary elections in which the opposition is hoping to end nearly 40 years of rule by the Zanu p.f. Party Andrew Harding is in Harare observers say the voting process was by and large orderly and peaceful now comes the counting and from Zimbabwe's wary opposition warnings that this is the moment that rigging could take place but local and foreign teams are monitoring the process closely President and listen and Gaga is looking for a popular mandate having taken power in the aftermath of last year's military coup the opposition m.d.c. Alliance insists its leader Nelson Chamisa is poised to win many here are hoping the results will be conclusive and quickly accepted by all sides a committee of the British parliament has warned that sexual abuse and exploitation in the aid sector is endemic across different organizations and countries namely grimly has more M.P.'s argued there's been complacency verging on complicity from famous names such as Oxfam background checks on employees particularly those hard to broad have been too weak when problems have occurred the response has been driven by a concern for a charity's reputation rather than in need for transparency the International Development Committee is calling for a new global register of aid workers which it says will act as a barrier to stop sexual predators entering the 8th sector or meeting around when they're exposed this is the world news from the b.b.c. An operation is continuing to help hundreds of stranded hikers down a mountain in Indonesia after their path was blocked by landslides triggered by an earthquake many were helped to safety by a massive rescue operation on Monday but more than 100 have just spent another night on Mandarin Johnny on the island of Lombok. Nicorette u.s. Leader Daniel Ortega has defended the actions of the security forces against anti-government protesters saying he was facing unrest created by the United States in an interview with Euro News he said that us sponsored entities were financing an armed insurgency more than $300.00 people have been killed in 3 months of political turmoil in the curriculum Scientists in Britain have identified a new frog species it took the researchers at the University of Manchester 20 years to determine that Sylvia's tree frog is a separate species Rorik Alan Moore has the details Sylvia's tree frog has a bright green body Lurd orange underbelly and the large yellow eyes it's big too as far as tree dwelling and Fabians are concerned but scientists haven't been able to determine whether it's a separate species for almost 100 years it was 1st collected in the forests of Panama or in the 1920 s. But has long been confused with the aptly named splendid tree frog and after decades of work why is this colorful creature Silvia's the conservationist from Manchester Museum who identified it under grey has named it after his 3 year old granddaughter a us Court has ruled that the museum in California can keep 216th century masterpieces by the German pater a looker Skrillex the elder which were looted by the Nazis during the 2nd World War the live sized panels depicting Adam and Eve had been taken in a forced sale from a Jewish art dealer who died shortly afterwards while fleeing the Netherlands after the war the Dutch government sold them b.b.c. News. You know I really consider tree dwelling amphibians before that would have been sure thank you very much I think that's leisure thank you for the news I am welcome to News stay with me James Carville coming up we'll hear why President Trump's former campaign manager is on trial examine whether sexual abuse in the sect is an endemic and head out some patrol with Turkey chants terror police as they chased former Islamic state fighters you know any thoughts on at all anything else you hear on the program even treat it well enough evidence to give a shout of attacks number is past 447-786-2050 extension 85. But we start as so often with President Trump 1st he walked away from the international deal with Iran which cut the country's nuclear activities in mid term 15 of international sanctions then tweets a threatened retribution the likes of which the world has rarely seen if Iran's president has Sandra won a threat in the u.s. Now Mr Trump has this I would certainly meet with Iran if they wanted to meet I don't know that they're ready yet to have a hard time right now but I ended the Iran deal it was a ridiculous deal I do believe that they will probably end up wanting to meet I think it's an appropriate thing to do if we could work something out that's meaningful I would certainly be willing to make do you have preconditions for that meeting of preconditions they want to meet only any time they want good for the country good for them good for us and good for the world so what does this latest twist mean and what sort of response will Mr Trump's apparent olive branch receive a question for director of the Iran Project for the International Crisis Group I think the Iranians are unlikely to respond positively to the president's invitation for negotiations at this stage the reason is I don't think any Iranian politician at this stage has the political capital to reengage Washington after the president by the. Existing deal between Tehran and Washington and also the. President's tone has been so harsh and insulting to his a run ins that I think President Trump is almost radioactive to Iran so I just don't see how President Rouhani or Foreign Minister Zarif could engage Washington at this stage you are referring perhaps to that old caps tweet warning Iran Rouhani President Rouhani to never ever threaten the u.s. Again that serious consequences and so on is something of a mixed message isn't it from threats to talks with no preconditions. It is without any doubt but that's expected from presidents from I think the past year and a half of shown that basically the president modus operandi is like this what is more concerning from Iranian perspective is the fact that the administration appears to be internally incoherent in the sense that the president might be interested in a bigger better deal with Iran but it appears that is Entourage or is that ministration doesn't share that interest is the secretary of state has outlined 12 preconditions for negotiations with Iran or as the president says he's willing to negotiate with them unconditionally the reason might be because there are they have different motivations Piers that the war cabinet the president has assembled are more interested in bringing Iranian regime to its knees and potentially changing and toppling the regime dratted and reaching it mutually beneficial agreement politicians in Tehran I mean pretty clear that I want to stick to the deal that was signed with President Obama and others is there another form of deal something President Trump could offer them that would ultimately tempt them do you think. Sure I think there was a way of reaching a better broader deal with Iran but the precondition for that was to preserve the existing agreement I think at this stage it is highly unlikely that the Iranians would reengage Washington and one way that the president could potentially open the way is to carve out some exemptions from sanctions as a signal towards the Iranians that it's willing to consider it better for a better deal rather than a less for more kind of the arrangement that he has so far indicated that is interested then presumably Iran is in a much weaker negotiating position as well because of the setback to their nuclear program because of the deal they signed a couple of years ago correct and that's the major difference between the Iranian and North Korean case the president might believe that he can basically take a page out of the playbook that he used with the North Korean leader to basically put maximum pressure and then come up with a summit that would resolve major disagreements the difference here is that North Koreans have nuclear weapons as the ultimate deterrent therefore have a lot of leverage going to the negotiating table they run and gave away most of their leverage as a result of the 2015 year to year to year so they believe that they are now in a position of weakness and harder for reluctant to engage with the trumpet ministration That's director of Iran Project for the International Crisis Group on that news that Mr Trump is now prepared to consider without preconditions a meeting with Iran's president Hassan Rouhani and in fact the 1st of President Trump former aides goes on trial in the u.s. Later today Paul manifolds is accused of bank and tax fraud by federal investigators probing alleged Russian meddling in the 2016 u.s. Presidential election manifold attended a June 26th meeting with Russians offering damaging information about Democratic rival Hillary Clinton that is now a focal point of a special counsel investigation of the Washington Post is covering the story right you can just remind us of the background to this case. Sure so Pomona Fort between 20052014 roughly worked in Ukraine for a Russian backed political party and leader Viktor Yanukovych and prosecutors say he made millions of dollars and did not pay taxes on the good chunk of that he hid it in offshore bank accounts and then when you give it was forced out of power in part for being too close to Russia the government says he committed bank fraud to keep up the lavish lifestyle he the stuff left when the millions were coming in so it does not stem directly from the Russian bust occasion he was under investigation by the Justice Department before Donald Trump ran for president but as they were investigating ties between Russia and President Trump's campaign this relationship between his former campaign chairman and these oligarchs who were backed by the Russian government came to their attention and they pursued it yeah so could this trial could you live in anything you know politically damaging. Yes I know the prosecutors have said that they will not have any of their witnesses use the word Russia they're not planning to bring up the any evidence of collusion between the trunk campaign and the Russian government however Paul metaphor was Donald Trump campaign chairman during the convention and for 5 months from May to August of 2016 which were very consequential months in the election for him to be found guilty of multiple felonies I think would still be embarrassing for the president and while the jurors won't hear the connection between these Ukrainian figures and Russia people who've been following this closely will be able to piece that together for themselves yeah significant isn't it because if they're if they're all suppose is on the jury that mood changes so much. It's possible and I think that's what he was counting on when he was hoping to get his trial moved to a more conservative part of Virginia which failed but they are screening jurors and asking them what they know about the case and what their prior beliefs about the people involved are presumably built on questioning from the judge answer those queries on Asli and they will at least try to weed out people who are planning to decide this case on politics rather than the merits yeah how much coverage is a getting in the u.s. Media this this. It's getting a lot of coverage I think some hundreds of news organizations have plans to show up at this trial. Of course there are no electronics allowed in that building and Paul metaphor because he's in jail will be brought up through a holding cell so there will be a lot of t.v. Cameras but they won't actually be able to capture very much you know interesting Rachel thank you Rachel Wiener there of The Washington Post a lot of us organizations keep in across that pool man afore trial as our way here on the b.b.c. World Service you think they would pool kings and James Copnall in a few minutes at correspondent Quinten some of the joint counterterrorism police in Turkey as they attempt to round up former foreign fighters including those from the so-called Islamic state who are trying to make it home. Before long lasting. The most searching for evidence to link a suspect to any terror activities. But with all of that here in the u.k. a Group of politicians have published a report calling sexual abuse in the aid sector endemic and saying organizations which provide aid overseas are too weak to deal with the problem report follows the scandal which engulfed the charity Oxfam when it was revealed that some of its workers used prostitutes in Haiti after the 2011 earthquake one of the M.P.'s who helped the reporters Pauline laid them so how are you a disease dealing with these allegations of sex abuse very poorly they haven't really been dealing with it facing up to the link both within the aids in this country among work early but also out in the field in places like Haiti Africa and anywhere really where you have the most vulnerable people in the world particularly women and girls and nobody's really confronted it has been the last all reports made over the years but it's never actually been tackled and I think it's a big hoo ha when it blows up a minute or goes quiet and nobody checks up on it you know without naming the names of any charities can use an example of when a charity failed to adequately address a sexual abuse case around occasion yes when somebody in this country clearly people they work with they are never been confronted they were allowed to leave the age see and go and get back to jobs or more no. And then I actually ended up resigning because it blew up in the papers so you know that's the sort of thing I'm a in a sling chorus but people have been allowed to leave. And go to another one and nothing's being said and if people have gone for references to the agency there's not been a work said about it so why are charities failing in your judgment to adequately deal with these allegations and abuse cases to be fair some have made some moves now so green in the press this year but I think what has to happen and something that you will be doing is we're keeping a track on year on year whether it's actually being tackled adequately and I know the secretary of state has said she wants to hear about any any direction. It's money to if you want to know about cases of abuse and what the individual charities with done about it I mean this is the other instances where prostituted been used out in the field now these prostitutes have been begging for food and probably under-age girls for the not prostitute anyway prostitutes are victims it doesn't matter what country they all thought it was nobody leaves the room says well when I grow up I want to be a prostitute in schools. Like I was doing usually so how can legislation help I suppose it can help to govern in the u.k. But how is that going to help ideas in cities when they're abroad and also right agencies that are headquartered abroad Well I think if we can get an international register of people working in the aid industry that is a start it will be difficult in some cases because not all countries have any sort of safeguarding within their own country so if an organization is employing somebody in the field local to that area it will be more difficult but if we don't make a start we can actually do the job properly I was pulling like some British member of pond. And as Meta Naik has coauthored a report for the un refugee agency and Save the Children on sexual exploitation in aid sector in West Africa this is what she says needs to be done. She we see is a lack of implementation and that's why we see these scandals like hawks because we see that organizations do have all the paperwork in place but when it comes to the crunch and they take decisions they take decisions that the ordinary man in the street wouldn't say this is something that needs leadership every management here until that happens and so every manager needs to educate nothing is really going to change that as me tonight Newsday from the b.b.c. World Service with James and Paul a very good morning to you quick reminder of our top stories this hour President Trump has offered to hold unconditional talks with Iran as any time despite his withdrawal from the international deal on its nuclear program u.s. Intelligence officials have told a newspaper the North Korea appears to be building a new ballistic missiles votes are being counted in Zimbabwe's 1st presidential and prime parliamentary elections since Robert Mugabe was ousted and scientists in Britain have identified a new species of frog after nearly a century of confusion that's cleared up let's get some sports now which I passons Thank you James the 3 times n.b.a. Champion Le Bron James says he's looking forward to the challenge of turning around the Los Angeles Lakers who are coming off the worst 5 year period in franchise history James has moved to the Lakers from his hometown team the Cleveland Cavaliers with him he won an n.b.a. Championship and for eastern conference titles the b.b.c. Understands the same Reno and Manchester United's executive vice chairman Ed Wood would remain united in the efforts to improve their squad ring you claimed he wanted 2 more players but will only get one after Saturday's $41.00 defeat by Liverpool in Michigan one of the biggest names in the m.l.s. Has pulled out of this week's All-Star game against Juventus Slaton Abraham. Vish says he's disappointed but his main focus is to score goals and help the l.a. Galaxy to the playoffs now the former world heavyweight boxing champion Tyson Fury says a deal to fight the w.b.c. Champion Deonte Wilder is almost done it will be just his 3rd fight after 32 months layoff series due to take on the Italian Francesca Pineta in August and is looking to take home wilder the for the end of the year thank you very much Joe let's get some business news now and you would have business at the desk in Hong Kong joins us and it's time for an update on what's happening to be what's happening me to one of the most powerful men in world media Leslie Moonves of the American t.v. Network c.b.s. He's been accused of sexual harassment Andrew does he still have a job he does at the moment c.b.s. Has said that it's going to run through the board of directors says that it's going to take no other action against Mr Moonves in relation to these allegations of sexual harassment other than hiring a lawyer who's going to look into the allegations and Mr Moonves to say he has he's very powerful I mean he's head of c.b.s. He's chief executive he's widely given credit for reviving the fortunes of c.b.s. Since he's been at the network in 1000 since 1900 families he's been chief executive for 12 years now he was apparently the person who. Who commissioned or encouraged the. Series like c.s.i. Which has been remarkably so crime scene investigation should be successful for a decade or so Everybody Loves Raymond and the comedy Big Bang Theory and he went on Friday The New Yorker magazine. Published allegations that he had forced himself onto women that he sexually heris them Mr move us has said in. In defense of himself saying that he did he did try to kiss one of the actresses one of the women who made allegation. Ns but he said he hadn't committed sexual so he hadn't intimidated the woman and though he doesn't say that he did say that he regretted immensely having made some women uncomfortable in the past and the way he's being treated is quite a contrast perhaps to other people who have been men who have been quite in the spotlight for being accused of sexual harassment Harvey Weinstein the film producer he left his job quite quickly after the allegations surfaced surface they were later confirmed by further investigations and c.b.s. There was Charlie Rose who was being a presenter for many many years very well thought all he was alleged to have committed sexual harassment and he lost his job very quickly so at the moment Mr Moonves is doesn't stunt seem to be in any hurry to move and c.b.s. Is saying that it's going to be investigating obviously further in the allegations there is a suggestion perhaps from some lawyers that one of the reasons why at this stage the c.b.s. Board of directors has not taken any action that if they fired Mr Moonves then for a start he may get a gigantic pay off. Sorting through some of the stock exchange filings that c.b.s. Has made it could be $160.00 old $1000000.00 and if it turns out that the allegations are wrong than the board might be put itself in a different in a difficult position because it would be in spending shareholders' money and so certainly for now anyway they're in there saying that they want to investigate further well it's actually over there thank you very much indeed. As many as as many as 50000 foreign fighters from across the globe poured into Syria via Turkey to join insurgent groups like the so-called Islamic state the fall of the ice caps all recommend that those who survived trying to make it home a Middle East correspondent Quentin some of those been following their trail from Syria to the shores of Europe he's the 1st journalist to join Istanbul's counter-terror police in one of hundreds of raids to round up Islamic state foreign fighters on the run. Where here on the Asian side of Istanbul it's just after midnight with the counterterrorism police. There by to go on a raid looking for a foreign fighter who's come from Syria and is hiding out in this neighborhood. And last one quite a force they say they're going to kick down your door if they how often they're going to detain him and anyone who is with them and. We've arrived at the location some of the swat team heavily armed. Going around the corner of the building. The taking the time because in the past when they've carried out these raids the suspects have been armed sometimes with suicide vests we know they're going in with a large armored to plate in front of them. This isn't the only really disheartening to think about 15 of them happening all across the city. All looking for foreign fighters that made their way from Syria and perhaps one of the most chilling things about this is that this is a weekly occurrence. For you. On hold Oh Ok they're making one last day of. The most searching apartment for evidence to link the suspect to any terror activities. And that's almost immaterial because he will be deported in any case he will be returning to the supplement. Office of. The man that was arrested this morning this is big He's accused of spending more than a year. Inside Syria fighting for the so-called Islamic state Turkey let thousands of foreign fighters into Syria but he says that that small is no Rivera asked and that since the fall of his capital rock up this 100 percent increase in the number of foreign fighters escaping to here from Syria. But perhaps the most chilling fact in all of this is that in one in 5 of these raids when they turn up at the door the suspect has already vanished and the counter-terror police here in Istanbul tell us that the suspicion is that those men have already fled and made their way to Europe. Quenton some of the reporting there from Istanbul and you can certainly imagine the concern of politicians throughout Europe security officials and so on at the prospect of those for my as white as I was fighters making their way back to in this case the European countries of origin and potentially carrying out further attacks Yeah just very quickly in case you haven't seen is a clip on our website of b.b.c. News dot com of the British foreign secretary Jeremy Hunt forgetting where his wife comes from isn't it James. Yeah yeah embarrassing moment yeah basically was leading a British delegation he was sitting opposite the Chinese official visit and everything when he said that his wife was from Japan and she's not China he's doing the same thing yeah yeah it was you know your wife see them already Yeah yeah that was me being Jeremy Hunt the dog we're not doing as good a job as Jeremy Hunt of not doing a good job here and I mean in terms of remembering where his wife comes from very embarrassing it was to make a lot of headlines here in the papers that are you can check out a clip of it on our website b.b.c. News dot com. Before the news we look at the blueprint for a privately owned city money and power from the b.b.c. To the master plan of the project there were creation of in the middle of the shopping country and directed interrogator you could basically spend your entire life here you can go to work here you live here everything everything this is nothing 10 pm card. Is going to do those small Central American nation is just no one barking in a spirit peculiar political experiment because cage will attract foreign capital and jump started to form a new class hard and fast whether a private 50 can move the health and impoverished country I think that is where they are not in a time of need I think it is also good for our cultural tradition is it a model for Prosperity and an exploitative so very sustainable city the private cities upon jurist at b.b.c. World Service dot com slash money and power. Hello welcome to News Day from the b.b.c. World Service We're talking to me James Copnall ex at a historic vote in Zimbabwe our correspondent takes us through the highs and lows of an extraordinary day Argentina will consider relaxing its strict abortion laws views for and against and as he prepares to return home after a decade in an i.c.c. Jail we speak to the Congolese politician. After Stewart rounds up the latest news b.b.c. News with Stuart McIntosh President Trump has offered to hold unconditional talks with Iran at any time Mr Trump said he wanted to work out something meaningful to replace the multinational nuclear agreement with Iran which the United States abandoned in May an advisor to the Iranian president Hassan Rouhani said the u.s. Should return to the nuclear deal to pave the way for any talks. American intelligence officials have warned that North Korea appears to be building new ballistic missiles in spite of warming ties with the trumpet ministration the officials say they have new satellite evidence suggesting work is taking place at a factory near Pyongyang that produced the 1st North Korean missiles capable of reaching the United States President Trump has praised Italy's migration policy after a meeting with the new prime minister has said he Conti in Washington he said other European countries should follow Italy's example in taking a firm stance of its border a committee of the British parliament has said sexual abuse and exploitation in the aid sector is endemic across different organizations and countries M.P.'s called for a global register of aid workers to prevent sexual predators from entering the sector more than 500 hikers have been safely brought down from a mountain on the Indonesian island of Lombok after being stranded by rock falls triggered by an earthquake only 6 hikers remain on Mount Rainier Johnny all of whom are safe and you frog species has been discovered by scientists in Britain it took the researchers at the University of Manchester 20 years to determine that Sylvia's tree frog is a separate species the u.s. Court has ruled that a museum in California can keep to 16th century masterpieces by the German painter Lucas Cranach the elder which were looted by the Nazis during the 2nd World War the live side panels depicted Adam and Eve had been taken of for sale from a Jewish art dealer b.b.c. News. Thank you hello good morning welcome it's Tuesday from the b.b.c. World Service James Copnall and maybe Paul can use that everyone in the next few minutes will head to Argentina and India considering case of a arranged marriage which are in both Bangladesh and the u.k. Plus a reporter asked whether the longest form of cricket the 5 day yes 5 day Test match can survive. But we started Zimbabwe where the polls have closed in counting has begun in which is just in the country which is just held its 1st general election since former President Robert Mugabe was removed from office the biggest challenge to his governing Zanu p.f. Parties the opposition m.d.c. Alliance turnout was high with long queues or some polling stations and Rouhani was there for Monday's historic poll and sent this report from Harare. Was. Years officially yesterday's man but the worst some cheers for Robert Mugabe today as he arrived a frail 94 year old to cast his vote in this extraordinary election having been betrayed by his own party Mr Mugabe says he's backing the opposition but will the rest of Zimbabwe policy. Was in the capital Harare plenty of support today for Nelson Chamisa a young leader of the opposition m.d.c. Alliance he sounds confident of victory up to a point the moment this election to the extent that is if Iran looks at what's going on in the free and fair there's still no guarantee of that after years of rigged and violent elections but it is at least peaceful this time around and thousands of election observers like the American power a trying to keep it clean too and Zimbabwe unfortunately there's a trust deficit on the part of the population you really have to look at where are the the potential flash points in the process and try to reassure the things are well or try to determine that there are some problems that are developing in other words the next few days here a likely to be tense but could look old party Zanu p.f. Nearly purged and spring cleaned win this election fair and square plenty of Zimbabweans voting today a saying why not and then appear for and I'm happy for the change that is Catholic for me it's been positive I still feel we still have a lot to talk come place to me television you've got rid of Robert Mugabe and that's enough for you that's enough for me we've had peace we've had free don't think it's been our actions or nothing so I believe it's a it's a change that positive change here but that sort of incremental change doesn't seem to be enough for a lot of people waiting in the same queue Eric and Lorraine tell me they're backing the m.d.c. 28 year old Lorraine. Never bothered to vote before I just thought what's the point the results are office why should I vote but now it's a different feeling just think it's more open more transparent Yes everything is more transparent and before we have our citizens He's But it's a better environment now by a charity says the young one serving of the change for the opposition m.d.c. Definitely why I have been with. Some people for a long time went I think Cindy just in their new Broom Street new broom I'm just concerned that whoever is going to be the president has to have the people at heart the country at heart to put us 1st do you think the loser in this election will accept defeat the losing side they're like what they've been preaching definitely and I think people are forking out say Ok no one can hold on to whatever they've been doing before so which will it be for Zimbabwe out with the old spruce or the old and give it another chance perhaps the most extraordinary thing about today is the plenty of people here aren't desperately bothered businessman and Mandy one's a says that after decades of self-inflicted isolation misery and anger pragmatism is back in style here which outcome you look at it's going to be a sea change in terms of foreign investment but more importantly I think is that we maintain the peace and tranquility that we have observed and of course that peace is not guaranteed but still the good news here today is that post Mugabe Zimbabwe is trying to become a normal country again it's going to be a long journey. And you have Harding I should say reporting from a Zimbabwe's capital Harare where they're still counting the votes and the results are expected in the next few days. There is news there on the b.b.c. World Service for poor Keynes and me James Copnall the politician and former rebel leader jumpier Bemba is heading back to the Democratic Republic of Congo shortly after being released from the International Criminal Court at The Hague pain tends to run for president in December as President Joe election in the day r c with his political enemies saying outstanding conviction for witness tampering makes him ineligible to stay power will hear from the man himself in the next few minutes we'll go 1st though to Argentina's Capitol when our areas where women's groups and activists in favor decriminalising abortion are getting ready to protest in front of parliament later today ahead of a vote to decide whether or not to legalize abortion in the 1st 14 weeks of pregnancy currently abortion is only allowed in Argentina in cases of rape or to save the life of the mother the votes could well have implications for the rest of the region known for its tight restrictions on abortion rights Lenin did Jan and is a doctor and professor in bioethics of the Catholic University of Argentina and is against the bill I think that abortionist from biological point of view it has been assured that the life of human begins at fertilisation there for abortion and of this life so I think that there are many things to do before having an abortion . On the other side of the argument Natalie a juror d. Is director of a charity on women's rights in l.a. The most important change that this bill will introduce is the inclusion of a. Term of 14 weeks at the beginning of the pregnancy during which a woman a girl or an adolescent would request the termination of her pregnancy without the need to state any reasons for it it would become abortion on demand. And after that period of time the city indications of current legal abortions for his Gulf life was a great deal stand so that would be a really major change I could imagine in a country like Argentina with the Catholic Church so powerful that there will be a lot of opposition to this not just in the Senate but in the country as a whole. There certainly is in Argentina you know there's a very important and influential. And other religious movements who are having quite a strong and employees and opposition to this bill but we hope that Senators will finally understand that drive private and religious believes are perfectly Ok as long as they remain in their private sphere but they are not good enough public recently in a Democratic debate if you had an opportunity to address those senators if you could give them one case for example to try and get them to change their mind to support this bill what would you say to them I would say that I believe public health arguments and human rights arguments are on our side that sound really information and data show that the public health problem caused by illegal abortion is enormous and is damaging the health and putting lives at risk particularly of young and poor women in Argentina abortion is a fact I mean women women are not like that we may know not to speak for ourselves in a certain point of our lives but they are a fact they are happening the estimations made by the minister national ministry of health a few years ago say that there are there is one abortion every 2 live births in Argentina that is between 370500000 abortions a year that's an enormous number and that is something that's a public health risk that the authorities have to do something about icing comments from activists campaigners and so on saying you know what probably this bill was passed but the fact that we got it's a Congress that's a victory in itself why I think. And I hope they got the bill will pass but in any case I do agree that all this process has been a big story in itself because for many many years abortion was not discussed publicly it was never an issue addressed. By politicians by campaigners but. Balik opinion it was something that was not talked about even a bonus of the current bill I agree that it has been a major problem in Argentina not to address the. Adequate implementation all of that while it u.k. Show law that has been in force for the last 10 years and the only way in which we can prevent abortion is having sexual education contraception and at the end of the road legal abortion to prevent women from dying as Natalia Girardi campaign on women's rights and that vote will take place in a few days time in Argentina. Newsday from the b.b.c. World Service to James Carville and Paul Hawkins quick reminder of our top stories this morning President Trump has offered to hold unconditional talks with Iran as any time despite his withdrawal from the international deal on its nuclear program u.s. Intelligence officials have told a newspaper the North Korea appears to be building new ballistic missiles votes are being counted in Zimbabwe's 1st presidential and parliamentary elections in was ousted and scientists in Britain have identified a new species of frog after nearly a century of confusion the former vice president of the Democratic Republic of Congo Bemba has been away from his country for a decade he was locked up in the Hague for war crimes and crimes against humanity that conviction was overturned in June and now Mr Bamber is planning to travel back to the capital Kinshasa on Wednesday when he gets a nice hoping to submit his candidacy for December's presidential elections his old rivals in President joys. Campsite that might be possible as ex vice presidents barred from running as anyone who has been convicted of corruption Mr Bender was convicted of witness tampering in the International Criminal Court which some argue is a form of corruption the b.b.c. And. Raise the issue with Mr Bambery in Brussels where he's been staying since his release from the i.c.c. They're not in a position to decide who will be liberal or not for the presence of election so all these proceedings are now is on the court or cannot talk about it because it is burning in the court but you want to say that they are not the people the right people to decide who will be the candidate are not going to do it in the presidential election after more than a decade away from your country how can you be today in touch with the reality there the only question is important I've been keeping contact with my country the people of my country daily when I was in the i.c.c. And I had a lot of visit every day from Congolese people so I'm still a senator in my country so I'm keeping a close eye with all the local affairs but it's not the same as being there is not the same to be the better you know that I was away I'm going back to Congo to be next to my people in Congo and I sing that will be with them but they know very well the different situation and the problem happening come with them and if the elections run the results are published will you accept those results if it is a transparent Yes of course if the election are transparent the results are there we are all respected in 2006 Mr Benn by you disagreed with the results of the presidential election again it was against President Kabila and you took up arms we did the same this time if you disagree with the result no. Avoiding 2003 we gave up all our again and. Then move many of them as a new comer. We become a political party and so this story of a gun is over for m.m.c. And. Any fight is through. The voter now that's what we want to achieve you have been acquitted Mr Benn back for war crimes committed by your militia men in the Central African Republic however the crimes that they committed there are still very much vivid in the memory of the victims do you feel a moral responsibility towards those victims all my sympathy for the victims of course of central for any country I think victim is something a river to be victims and I can see that I'm very sad for what I hear from Central Africa have to know I receive from the last probably 18 years this contract fighting. Among themselves so I hope that they will succeed to get a safe process or to bring peace to this country because they deserve it the border of Congo brother sister and I hope that really they will find solution for the problem so you still keeping an eye on what happens there yes of course because Central Africa is really border of a Congo North of Congo and brother and sister and I feel very sad for what's happened there a lot of refugee people also crossing the traffic and coming to the north of Congo What is your relationship today with President Kabila they have been absent for the last 10 years and they have no relationship with predicate below that no contact with for them can be allowed to work but once he returned you can just how would you be ready to sit down and have talks with him yes of course civilised then almost be always not just for today even for tomorrow I sing we have a content to leave all together with the opposition the majority today the majority today will be the opposition to morrow so we are going to leave all together of course if any talk people must talk to new talking. That's the former vice president of the Democratic Republic of Congo. Another exiled Congolese Opposition Leader Kim Beazley also planning to return to contest this week he wants to put himself forward for the presidency Tobin it's the out us to some sports which opossums. Thank you James Le Bron James has been speaking about his decision to leave his hometown team to leave to the l.a. Lakers James told e.s.p.n. He differently of homework before he left the Cleveland Cavaliers he won 4 Eastern conference titles and won every a championship having previously want to be a titles with Miami them underdogs is obviously. On. A lot of different teams including the. I called the Philadelphia who sent. Los Angeles and you know I have a kind of talking to my family more than anybody I feel like this is the next journey and next step in my journey and what my expectations are for the team we don't we don't have any right now. But we def want to be better than we were the previous year there's no reason to become a Laker you become a Yankee you become part of me you. Call become sort of part of some franchise in clubs and you don't think about when a championships or when you know at the highest level that the v.c. Understands that shows a Marine you know and Manchester United's executive vice chairman Ed Wood would remain united in their efforts to improve their squad when you claimed he wanted to go players let me get one of the Saturdays for one defeat by Liverpool in pre-season Meanwhile the Real Madrid to take he has said Gareth Bale can help to fill the void left by Christiane I renounce his move to even test to take he said Bal is happy to play at Real Madrid and it's a fantastic opportunity to Him to show his talent brail play united in Miami later on as they continue their preparations for the new season. In boxing another name has entered the race to take on the w.b.c. World Heavyweight Champion Wilder I can confirm that to me and your entire world goes regimes very close to being gone I can reveal negotiations on being very strong from December we're almost done with this deal well that's the former world champion Tyson Fury that's knee joint sure holds 3 of the world heavyweight belts had hoped to fight Wilder to unify the titles of the 2 boxes were unable to reach agreement before Joshua had to make it mandatory to fence again Alexander. Fury has made his return to boxing after 32 months absence with an easy victory over set free last month is set to take on the Italian Francesca p.l.s. In August Frank Warren is twice a furious promoter he's confident a fight with Wilder can be agreed. We're quite. Frank Warren and that's the sport. Thanks Joe let's stick with the sport specifically cricket back Ricky James Yeah I suppose. So yeah a little bit yet exerted by yeah maybe a little bit less than I was when I was 12 years old and in reverse I never used to play I hated school and now I love it especially the Test match form of the game which is basically were a game of cricket last 5 days I know it sounds bonkers India an England a going to start a Test match series on Wednesday. 5 matches that's 5 matches of 5 days if each match does last 5 days and there's a many people who are baffled by that format find after 5 days you can still be a draw which is crazy but trust me it's an exciting draw it's a long it's a long time 5 days and even cricket crazy India people are instead watching shorter versions of the sport the question therefore is can the ultimate tradition the Ultimate version of cricket the test format survive or a whole tandem report from Kolkata. What I'm standing on want to call cut is famous mad and where people come to play cricket and there's lots of youngsters around me doing exactly that some say cricket is like a religion here in India but it's a religion that's falling out of love with the traditional format of the sport the Test match instead people are playing and watching t 20 cricket a shorter version of it there's a break in the game let's go and talk to some of the youngsters here Ok as much as foreign media is a little bit boring because they're just defense everyday it is ready Shargel words like 20 overs story desk I'm. Somebody trying to get us to do and he gets a lot faster than does not does he have a cause that you along the way. We don't like extended matters we like math physics is that in this measure the better format of the game you are the only person here who has said Test matches why. Because it is to your original format of the cricket you're only going to. The game is that it again and watching it here with me is one of India's bests marketing brains with area so in a world where we want everything instantly can test cricket which last 5 days 7 or is it an outdated concept relatively Yes because there's always a shorter fix and the shorter fix probably gives you a bigger height so that a certain the age of the Test match is probably it's dated it's as a concept it's dated it's already sort of reflecting in Lauderdale even Calcutta which is really the capital of the world as far as cricket is concerned you don't have a full house and if we don't have a full hose it sends out a grim forebodings of what the future holds for the former. The. Many traditionalist claim the i.p.l. The world's richest t 20 cricket league so be. Responsible for the decline in interest in Test cricket they might have a point but India's entertainment sector has grown rapidly over the last 10 years Indians have a lot more to watch from Netflix to the Premier League or the e.p.l. As it's known here so as more people in rural India have access to television the popularity of cricket is growing just not the traditional form of it I'm outside this country's most famous cricket stadium Eden Gardens with me here is the former Indian player so what needs to be done to make Test cricket popular again then I test match cricket ball or whatever I mean it's a work in progress but it's something that should be looked into seriously because I think that's the future don't know what you need to really do is get the next generation into Test match cricket Oh yes I think I'm back on the matter where the match is still going on youngsters here will follow the England India Test series but not as closely as they used to do and the gentlemen's game need to wake up to that fact. Rather than the reporting a couple in Britain meanwhile of in jail for trying to force their teenage daughter to get married in Bangladesh and threatening to kill her if she refused Baroness Pollard in as a community activist of Bangladeshi descent when I chaired the task force on horse marriage and we said that one case would be too many and it was our recommendation for the forced marriage unit to be set up and we undertook very wide community were. Tossed and we'd hoped that by this time what 18 years later that these kind of problem would not this of course we've had to resort to criminalize being forced marriage we've had to deal with under them hundreds and hundreds of cases we are all too shameful well just explain. For those who don't understand South Asian culture why some parents believe it is correct and right to force their child to marry someone so I want to make it very clear that this is not just the South Asian culture I mean it persists in a number of other cultures including African cultures and as far as Saudi Arabia so what I want to say is that forced marriage is not entering marriage we're still experiencing a number of cases where parents have viewed their children into going back to their countries of origin and these are British children and they're really forced into a situation either many cases their husbands or someone that the family you know and of course work we must remember consent this is an absolute must and in all good families consent is expressed and that is practiced by majority of parents d. Think the integration is well maybe a problem with maybe 1st and 2nd generation communities that come to the u.k. And they simply can't accept that their child will grow up in a different culture and with a different mindset No I don't accept that at all and the reason I don't accept that is that if you look at the ages of children that have been caught up in these particular cases their parents might have been brought up in this country so that rule does not apply that you know logic does not mean life to cases what is definite is that there are elements in our societies that will carry on being violent towards women and children that they'll be elements in our society that are criminals in terms of child sexual abuse child sexual exploitation and I would definitely And I've always maintained this position from the moment that I began to chair the task force is that we have to be very hard to go recall an armed founding that these are. Criminals I mean a law abiding Herring's I'm going to force their children into a situation where there they are criminals. Would you not say it is a cultural problem because no I do well no I do not cases of white British people getting involved with forced marriage I am not going to say that there are white parents forcing that what is or sound into marriage this is that cultural practice you might say that practice. Yeah that says that some families there might be very their families who have historically no understanding nor respect for women or their young children they don't have it just you have to accept it on that basis as soon as you say it's a cultural issue then you denigrate all the other people who behave well. Now on the b.b.c. World Service the world's like you've never heard at the forward. Congress wasn't a sound recordist and in this series which I think your journey and sounds from. My life are exploring the relationships between the Sam's cakes the people and the ones last living with mates here at b.b.c. World Service don't. And it's b.b.c. 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Intelligence officials have warned that North Korea appears to be building new ballistic missiles in spite of warming ties with the trumpet ministration the officials say they have new satellite evidence of the work Laura because reports from Seoul the news agency Reuters and The Washington Post both quote unnamed u.s. Officials who claim photos and infrared imaging sure vehicles moving in and out of the missile site it's on dong just outside Pyongyang it's not clear what at this stage they could be carrying some dong is where North Korea built its 1st long range missiles believed to be capable.