as you may know, the many has been busy with meetings over this debt ceiling. we're told unless it's raised by august 2nd, all hell will break loose on the economy. at least that's what many people will have you believe. nobody wants us to go without raising that debt ceiling. the president said he wants to make comments. here he is. >> hello, everybody. i'm going to make a brief statement. i completed a meeting with all the congressional leaders from both chambers, from both parties. i have to say that i thought it was a very constructive meeting. people were frank. we discussed the various options available to us, everybody reconfirmed the importance of completing our work and raising the debt limit ceiling so that the full faith and credit of the united states of america is not impaired what we decided is staffsally with his as leadership will work during the weekend. i will reconvene congressional leaders here on sunday, with the expectation that at that point the parties will at least know where each other's bottom lines are, and we'll hopefully be in a position then to start in engaging in the hard bargaining that's necessary to get a deal done. i want to emphasize that nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to. the parties are far apart on a wide range of issues. again, i thought all the leaders came in a spirit of compromise, in a spirit of wanting to solve problems on behalf of the american people. everybody acknowledged that the issue of our debt and our deficits is something that needs to be tackled now. everybody acknowledged that in order to do that, democrats and republicans are going to be required in each chamber, everybody acknowledged that we have to get this done before the hard deadline of august 2nd, to make sure that america does not default to the first time on its obligations, and everybody acknowledged there will be pain involved politically on all sides, but our biggest obligation is to make sure we're doing the right thing by the american people, creating an environment in which we can grow the economy and make sure more and more people are put back to work. i want to thank all the leaders. i thought it was a very constructive meeting. i will be seeing them back here on sunday. a lot of work will be done between now and then. all right? the president not taking questions, not necessarily breaking a whole lot of news. if anybody had their fingers crossed that a deal would be reached, that's not going to happen, but the president saying things were constructive. still, a key part, saying nothing is agreed to until everything is agreed to, saying the two sides are far apart. as you know, the backdrop to all of this, the country needs to or has to -- or i should say congress has to raise the debt ceiling by august 2nd. we're told that's the hard date before the united states will not be able to pay its bills, essentially. that would be a first. by that day, literally the next day, the country would not have enough money to pay all of its bills, the president xwringing both sides to the white house for discussion. it has wrapped. he said they will come back on sunday. the staffs will continue to work throughout today, tomorrow, the weekend, but then on sunday, he will have the leaders back. he said at that point the parties will know where each other's bottom lines are. brianna, hello to you. the president we heard he was going to be coming out so make there would be news to be made it sounds like that they still are a long way apart. >> reporter: that's exactly what he said. i can also tell you, though, talking to sources on both sides, they didn't expect a deal would be reached coming out of this meeting. i think we saw the president striking an urgent tone, trying to show that work is being done, that they're working to come to a compromise, and let's be honest, this clock is ticking. i think we're getting into the nerve-racking time where people and the markets are starting to wonder when are these differences going to be bridged, especially what we saw over the last couple of weeks, a seeming standstill or impasse over tax increases that democrats wanted and republicans were saying no to. now, i have to tell you, we just heard at the top of this briefing after the president spoke, t.j., the white house press secretary jay carney said he wasn't going to do a readout of the meeting and there's actually a commitment on the parts 6 these eight lawmakers and president obama, not to get into details. we've heard the white house say before they don't want to jeopardizes the progress on the discussions that they're having, which, t.j., they don't really have an agreement at this point. >> remind us, brianna, what the president has been saying. he said he had confidence something could be ironed out. we know this hard august 2nd deadline, nobody wants to get to that, but going by the president's timeline and what he's said, when would he like and what is reasonable for us to expect a deal to be made? >> reporter: he said the other day, t.j., he wanted something done in a couple weeks. that would put us somewhere around july 20th, something like that. there's no guarantee that they're going to come to an agreement by then. something we do know, that president obama and house speaker john boehner have been discussing, is actually a much more ambitious deal than was discussed a couple of weeks ago when the biden talks dissolved. that is a plan for about $3 to $4 trillion in deficit savings over the next ten years, democratic sources telling us that. a republican source telling me this would butt associate security, medicare, medicate, all of the entitlements on the table along with tax reform. can you imagine? that's biting off a whole lot. it's possible, i'm told by this republican source, that some of this might not get done by august 2nd, so there would obviously need to be something built into negotiations if this were -- at least part of this were to move past august 2nd, certainly to get the dead ceiling raised. no guarantee they'll get it done. >> brianna keilar from the white house, we appreciate you as always. we are going to move on to a couple other big stories we've got going on today, one of them being casey anthony will walk out of jail a free woman in six days. now, you hear that, and think back to 48 hours ago. it was at this time tuesday that casey anthony was facing the possibility of life in prison, maybe even facing the death penalty. what a difference 48 hours makes, because today she is counting the days until she walks out of the jail a free woman. she is counting down to six. you know by now, casey anthony was acquitted of murdering her 2-year-old daughter caylee, but convicted on four counts of lying to investigators. just before sentencing, the deceives tried and failed to reduce down to one. here are the four counts. lying about working at university studios, liking about caylee being with a nanny, the fick tick zanny you heard solve about. and lying about speaking to caylee on the phone. this morning, the judge melvin perry gave her the maximum to each of those counts. >> i will sentence you to one year in the orange county jail, xwokting a $1,000 fine on each count all four counts to run consecutive to each other, giving you credit for the time that you have previously served. >> okay. it wasn't so cut-and-cried. it got complicated here. so here we go. we know anthony has been locked up for almost three years, but inmates get extra credit for good behavior. so in casey anthony's case, that apparently worked out to about 112 days. she's set for release on july 13th, six days from now. after all of that, she'll still be headed back to court. here is why. a woman by the name offa naileda fernandez gonzalez -- that's the name that casey gave, is suing for defamation. the state of florida wants her to repay the cost of investigating the disappearance and death. equusearch is considering a suit to recoup the expenses to search for caylee in july of 2008. let me bring in martin savage for us. he was in court today. he's been covering this for us. a lot of people were scratching their heads. she got the maximum, and sheets still going to be walking out in six days. >> reporter: he threw the book at her. the only problem is he didn't have much of a book to throw. once she had been found not guilty of 9 three main charges, she was left with the four misdemeanors. as you so clearly pointed out, once you do the math, essentially she'll go free next wednesday. it could be anytime after wednesday, tuesday night. all the way through the day, there's no particular time. quite frankly the deputy's office -- or actually that's the department of corrections for orange county, will probably 23409 be announcing when she will go free. they already stated there would be extra security measures she wouldn't be walking out of a door per se, that they would probably release her somewhere within the community. we anticipate a member of her defense team would whisk her away to points unknown. as far as the demeanor inside the courtroom, i'm sure you saw her, t.j., she looked very different. she literally had let her hair down. that shows you, what a dramatic difference from when she was sentenced two days ago to the atmosphere today. she had a much more relaxed appearance. her hair was no longer in a tight bun where it had been since the beginning of her trial. it was clear to many that she thought she would get out today. she was all smiling, she was chatting to people, and then once she heard that, no, it's not going to be today, stone-faced. we saw that face of hers close down again, her family quickly left. they were in the courtroom as well. so that's pretty much how it played out down there. out here, there were protests, but they fizzled pretty much, only a handful are left, t.j. >> that was the first thing people commented on, the hair was down, you could tell the demeanor had changed completely. maybe she did think she was about to walk out of jail today, but still she doesn't have to wait too long. martin, we'll check in with you again. thank you so much. well a couple big stories we are following. the other big story, a major british tab bloi is being shut down, as a result of a massive phone hacking scandal. those details are here for you next. stay with us. 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>> kind of like being at disneyland. am i going to get to the front of the right before the ride closes? or will i get cut off at the end? i thought, wow, i kind of squeaked by, and to realize this probably would be the last mission ever, it felt like an honor to be a part of it. >> we want to make sure we get the job done. when the job is done, we can look back and reflect, think about where the place in history lied for this final flight. >> the crew getting the last looks at the space station complex. >> we've got more transfer and logistics supply to send to the station more than we ever had on any other mission. we're very busy in training. it's very challenging mission. >> reporter: you represent thousands of workers for 30 years who have poured their heart and soul into these vehicles. >> that's right. >> reporter: you guys are representing them on the final flight. >> i think that's where i feel the most pressure, to be able to represent them the way they deserve to be represented, and finish out the program on a high note with a successful mission, and be able to thank them all afterwards ideally. >> reporter: would you say the shuttle program then has been a success? >> i think at times it is the -- i hate to use the cliche, but sometimes it's been the rodney dangerfield of the space program over the years but the amount of payload it can take and bring back, seven people on top of that, you know, where else have we seen that? >> we want to wrap it up, you can head back to the airlock. >> it was a defines moment, it was a successful program. we essentially have command of lower orbit. so much so we set the ground for for the xhempl providers that will come. i'd like to think the stage is set to go beyond, which is where nasa belongs. >> reporter: what do you think will go through your heads when you call wheels stop. >> you're calling wheels stop, not just for you, the orbiter and the crew, but i think that moment will really be a defining moment for a lot of people. it will be at that moment when it's finally over you'll be able to exhale, take a breath, understand the significance of the moment and it will probably take a while to get me out of the shuttle, but i'm bound and determined to be the last one out. i mentioned that we are supposed to see history tomorrow, weather permitting sudden see our john zarrella? those are the jackets cnn gives us to cover hurricane. i know it's not a hurricane bearing down, but you have some flaes weather that doesn't look too good. >> reporter: it is tropical moisture. this was a tropical system that came out of the caribbean, so i guess it's appropriate that i'm wearing the red rain jacket. we just had a heck of a storm blow through here with thunder and lightning. no wind, fortunately, but heavy rain, and they're expecting moran that. nasa is trying to roll back the rss that encases the shuttle. they have to roll that back in advance of the launch. that's supposed to happen about 2:00, but they started moving it up earlier before the weather came in, they couldn't do that, so they're waiting for a window of opportunity, and then, of course, the next big milestone will be tanking in the overnight hours when they have on to load the liquid hydrogen and oxygen, but no, the weather does not look good at all for a launch tomorrow. saturday and sunday looking a bit better, so we might have a couple extra days here in florida waiting for this liftoff. t.j.? >> history is coming one way or another in the next day or so. >> reporter: yes, it is. >> good to see you as always. and be sure to join or john zarrello for our special coverage friday, we think, we hope at 10:00 a.m., right here on cnn. but we'll keep you updated. also, up next, a tabloid accused of hacking into the phones of murder victims and celebrities has just announced it is closing. richard quest with the new details. he is next. does that in one daily dose.pt new citracal slow release... continuously releases calcium plus d for the efficient absorption my body needs. citracal. a shocking development in the british hacking scandal. british tabloid news of the world will shut down after sunday's issue. its owner, news international, is giving that news to cnn. this after allegations of hacking into phones of murder victims, celebrities and -- a shocking development here. remind our viewers just how long this tabloid has been around and how big a deal it really is. >> the tabloid has been around for more than 160 years. it is britain's biggest-selling sunday newspaper. it says it's the largest english-speaking newspaper in the world but what started out as a celebrities hacking scandal rapidly turned into a scandal when they hacked into a murdered girl's voicemail. then a revelation they were hacking into bomb victims from 7/7, and now the revelation that they've been hacking into soldiers' voicemail from those fighting or killed in afghanistan and iraq. so finally the statement from james murdoch, the son of rupert murdoch, saying if allegations are true, it is inhuman that the paper and the company had failed toss to the bottom of repeated wrongdoing. what it says here is wrongdoers turned a good newsroom into bad. this it won't carry any advertising, but the money from subscriptions will go to good causes, and it will be the last edition. >> richard, just because the end of "news of the world" doesn't necessarily mean the end of the investigation or scandal? >> oh, there are two investigations. one into phone hacking scandal. documents have been revealed showing the newspaper paid the police either for tips or whatever. on top of that there's whole questions of civil litigation. no, this is not going away. why they have chosen to close the newspaper will be the interesting question, was it on moral grounds alone or commercial grounds? this was a brand that was destroyed. >> all right. richard quest, we appreciate you, as always. thank you so much. we're getting close to the bottom of the hour here on this afternoon edition of the "cnn newsroom." we're going to turn to your harry potter fans. we know there's a lot of you. a big moment for harry potter fans right now. the final installment. the last harry potter movie. we're going to take you live to the red carpet premiere in london. that is next. it's water from the drinking fountain at the mall. 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"harry potter and the deathly hallows" people are going nuts. they're dressed up. we have seen this time and time again. our becky anderson is live for us on the red carpet, talking to fans about this new movie. becky, can you help me? school me a bit. what movie is this? up to movie number 27 or something? which one is this? >> reporter: this is part 2 of the last movie, which makes a series of eight movies in what has been a multibillion dollar movie franchise. $6.5 billion. it's quite unbelievable. this is as big and as bold as i've ever seen. i've got people here, 8,500 people here in trafalgar square. the roads are closed off some have been here since monday, camping out to get a glimpse of the cast of what is the last movie in this franchise. it is quite remarkable. the weather has been predictably unpredictable. 2:00 damping their spirits. this is tom feldman, a.k.a.draco malfoy. >> i'm not sure i ever envisioned this, but we're ending in grand style, clearly. >> reporter: you finished filming in fact a year ago, i guess you're trying to move on. you can't really when you have a night like tonight. >> everybody's been saying what is this line -- we've been looking forward to this. this is kind of like closing night. i can see it getting emotional. >> reporter: if you had one endearing image, what would it being? >> endearing memories, i met most of the adult cast as 11 years old. so -- it was weird becoming more and more shy of them the more i realized how big these guys are. but it's been great learning they're exceptionally normal and funny people. >> reporter: will you miss draco? >> yes, i'm firing spells every night in my bedroom. it's sad to leave a character behind. >> reporter: i'm going to let you go. it's a long walk down this red carpet this evening. we're hoping, of course, to speak to the other members of the cast, daniel and emma doing the rounds as we speak, and h e hopefully j.k. rowling. the numbers are just ridiculous. $6.5 billion as a movie franchise, as something we possibly won't ever seen again. many of the crowd here don't remember life without harry potter or hot warts, and as the cast walk the red carpet for the last time, do remember this is a movie, a magical movie that will continue to move through the generations, the very last of the harry potter series. back to you. all right. thank you for schooling me on harry potter. becky, good to see you as always. we'll check in with her again with all the madness. but you can check in with us with larry king. you can go behind the scenes. he has your all-access pass to never before seen footage, plus interviewing with the film's three young stars. don't miss the special hosted by larry king, sin night 8:00 eastern. that's right here on cnn. up next, a deadly grizzly bear attack at yellowstone national park. those details are next. woman: saving for our child's college fund was getting expensive. man: yes it was. so to save some money, we taught our 5 year old how to dunk. woman: scholarship! woman: honey go get him. anncr: there's an easier way to save. get online. go to geico.com. get a quote. 15 minutes could save you 15% or more on car insurance. :34 past the hour, to give you a look at some of the stories making headlines. casey anthony will be walking out of jail in a matter of days. you remember? it wasn't too long ago she was looking at life in prison and the death penalty despite receiving the maximum sentence of four years in jail today, an additional $4,000 in fines for lying to the police, she will actually be released next wednesday after the judge factored in time served and credit for good behavior. president obama made a surprise appearance just moments ago after a crucial meeting with congressional leaders. he called today's talks constructive, but said no breakthroughs were reached. he announced he would be meeting with et leaders again on succeed. the president has signaled a willingness to include reductions in entitlements including social security and medicare as a broad agreement to cut up to $4 trillion over the next decade. tax spending and tax reform and defense spending are on the table. a man was killed by a grizzly bear yesterday dorgd to the national park service. he was hiking with his wife when she surprised a female bear with her cubs. it was an apparent attempt to defend her cubs. this is the first bear-caused human fa at a time in yellowstone since 1986, though trails and back-country camp sites have been closed unit further notice. a suspect has been arrested in connection with a theft of a 1965 picasso pencil drawing that's worth over $200,000, according to the "san francisco chronicle." the draw is a original that's no bigger than a standard piece of paper. it was stolen from the weinstein gallery on tuesday. this footage is showing apparently the man walking out, walking down the street, holding the drawing. talking about the report that uncovered one of the largest cheating scandals in u.s. history. what is the fallout from this huge cheating bust? we will take you there next. we are learning more now about the cheating sandal that's rocked the atlanta public schools. the interim superintendent errol is discussing the report at a special meeting. the state investigation found that as many as 178 teachers and principals at nearly 50 schools in atlanta we are involved in perhaps the largest cheating scandal in u.s. history. right now there could be criminal charges pending, and davis promises that none of the educators will teach in the district again carl, hello to you, i hope you can hear me. >> the plan was to outline a plan, so to speak. we have errol, davis. following this massive cheating scandal. he's presentsed to the board some suggestions on exactly how to do that. his suggestions including some tenets i have for you, one of them internal audits. if anybody starts complaining about ethics, the internal audits would go directly to the board of education. if crtc scores suddenly rise, then that would trigger, according to his new plan, a mechanism to review and certify those scores. they also want to survey employees to eliminate the culture of intimidation that allowed this cheating scandal to happen. bun other thing he mentioned, to give students that were harmed, the reremedial education they missed. one other thing before we let you go, what is this talk about the possibility of criminal charges? what is the update there? who could possibly be charged criminally in this case? >> reporter: you know, it wasn't something that t.j., but there was a pretty strong implication made he's said these 178 principals and teachers would not be in front of the kids again, and something he implied today -- take a listen. >> those who have cheated our children or permitted the children to be cheated, either knowingly our unknowingly will have forfeited their right to remain in our system. >> reporter: one other thing he said, t.j., culture will always trump strategy, so whatever the strategy was in atlanta public schools, they're going to be in the -- a superintendent wants to make sure that the culture -- is eliminated. >> carl, we appreciate you, as always. we're coming up on :41 past the hour here now. britain's royal newlyweds, a big hit in canada. we'll take you live there, but we'll see shortly if they're also going to be a big hit in california. the report is next. hmmm, you can't do that. but you can do this. bengay pain relief + massage with penetrating nubs plus the powerful pain relief of bengay. love the nubs! 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[ bat cracks ] that's a hit. one a day men's. well, prince william and his wife catherine are wrapping up their nine-day visit to canada with a stop today in calgary, alberta. the royal couple will attend a series of event today and tomorrow before heading to california for a three-day tour. and our max foster is live in calgary. hello to you and a lot of our viewers want to know haven't they been in canada long enough. come on down. time to come to the u.s. >> reporter: i know, not long now. they are in cowboy country, of course and when they arrive here, t.j., they will be given white hats, it's a tradition, welcoming ceremony, if you like, and we've also got the same white hats so there you go. been told i have to do this. this evening they will go and see some stampede events. you're laughing. >> a little bit. >> reporter: stampede events. you'll see them throwing a barrel into the back of a chuckwagon and see them looking at a lassoing demonstration and riding bulls as well, a very, very colorful even and in the morning they will launch the stampede parade. a very colorful end to the end of this canadian tour for them, t.j. >> i would assume it would be rude of them not to go through all of that, because they might not want to be, i don't know, caught looking like you do right now in the hat. it's a good look for you. i don't want to say it's not. >> reporter: i thought i pulled it off. i think that's unfair. they are going to wear the whole thing as well, by the way, jeans, cowboy boots. they won't wear a suit jacket. >> oh, wow. okay. when they wrap up, then they are headed to california. now, when are they expected there, and what are they expected to do in cali? >> reporter: well, afternoon california time they will arrive, and there's a whole series of events, and it's going to be great sort of picture story really. on saturday night one of the highlights, a big red carpet event. it's full rocks for the duchess, so she will look fabulous on the red carpet, no doubt meeting lots of stars on the way. on the saturday morning there will be a polo match. prince william will play out there in santa barbara and the duchess will present the trophy hopefully to her husband and they are also visiting skid row, a them to of the tour and meeting veterans of kfg as well. a busy weekend. >> max, give you a lot of credit, my man. you're right. you pulled off that hat just fine. max foster with us on the tour with the royals. good to see you, max. we'll talk to you again, soon and to our viewers you can find out more about how max is doing on his whirlwind tour across canada by visiting the website cnn.com. a behind-the-scenes look at a it's like covering a royal tour, eating lobster sandwiches with william and catherine and the entourage that surrounds them. getting close to the top of the hour now. listen to this. can you imagine this, a cancer patient given less than a month to lived, saved not by an organ donor but an organ grown from his own cells. the fascinating procedure that could save countless lives. that's coming up. in here, the planned combination of at&t and t-mobile would deliver our next generation mobile broadband experience to 55 million more americans, many in small towns and rural communities, giving them a new choice. we'll deliver better service, with thousands of new cell sites... for greater access to all the things you want, whenever you want them. it's the at&t network... and what's possible in here is almost impossible to say. and form a layer called biofilm so strong it survives brushing. thankfully, there's listerine® antiseptic. its triple-action formula penetrates biofilm, kills germs and protects your mouth for hours. fight biofilm with listerine®. constipated? phillips' caplets use magnesium, an ingredient that works more naturally with your colon than stimulant laxatives, for effective relief of constipation without cramps. thanks. 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-- the tube takes the air down into your lungs, so this is a 36-year-old man who was dying of cancer from the trachea, and so he had this huge tumor on his trachea, and doctors did everything they could. they said, look, see that green thing, that's a tumor. all of that green is a tumor so as can you see it's quite large. he said we need to cut off that section of your trachea and give you one from a cadaver, but you know what? it's going to take a long time. there's a long line of people waiting for that, and you'll die before you get it so we'll make a new one. they used plastic. they made him a new trachea out of plastic, but the problem was that they just put it in his body. his body really wouldn't accept it. it wouldn't really work so what they did is they coasted that plastic trachea that you're looking at right now from his own stem cells. took stem cells from the bone marrow, coat it had, paint it had basically and put it in him and the body thought that it was him and the vessels starting growing into it, if you can sort of picture that, and it works. >> you trick the body a bit. >> the body thought oh, look, this is us. >> how long did it take to grow, the whole process take? >> didn't take that long. you take the bone, take the cells out of the bone marrow, and you just sort of paint them on and surgically put it in him. they watched him. this happened a month ago, almost exactly, and they watched him in the hospital, watched him for a while and he's being discharged. >> okay. so if we are hearing this is successful, i assume they didn't roll the dice and get lucky here, so this apparently works. can everybody line up for this now? >> it would be really wonderful if this really worked because trachea cancer really tough because by the time you catch it there's not a whole lot you can do. they will watch this guy and see how he does and they will do a stud we 10, 12 people -- 10, 20 people to see how they do, and if everyone does well, this may really become sort of standard practice to do for patients who need it. >> how much time would they need to know, okay, this works? will they have to watch him for years? >> you know, that's a good question. first of all, it wouldn't be just him. they would want to do a study with several dozen people before they would know, and they would want to watch them for at least a while to make sure they didn't have some kind of reaction to it or whatever. >> okay is this just -- i mean, i'm -- i'm amazed here, but this has widespread implications now, and won't we start doing things like this? i'm sure it's not as simple as it sounds but it does sound so promising. >> it does sound promising and when you think about the people who die every day waiting for an organ, you would think wouldn't it be great to create them out of plastic. the trachea is a pretty good place to start, pretty basic, like a tube. it's not like making a heart which is all sorts of parts and pumps and whatever built into it, but the hope is that this is the first baby step towards constructing new organs, but, again, it is a baby step. you know, this is not going to cure-all these problems tomorrow, but it's -- it's a step on the way. >> what else do we know about this patient? do we know age, race, background. >> 36, from africa, from eritrea, and he got this -- this whole effort to build him this new trachea, it came from doctors at harvard in boston. doctors in london and doctors in sweden, so this was a real international effort to try to give this guy a plastic trachea. >> great stuff today. very promising, but that's our big "i." elizabeth our medical correspondent joining us today. good to see you as always. >> good to see us. >> for more on the procedure check out the facebook page of one randi kaye, there she is, again on facebook, and we're coming up on the top of the hour here on cnn. as we start this new hour, i want to show you how four years has now turned into six days. orlando, florida, casey anthony's day of reckoning. as you know by now, anthony was acquitted of murdering her 2-year-old daughter caylee, but convicted on four counts of lying to investigators. four misdemeanor counts which today, just before sentencing, the defense tried to reduce to one. well, the judge, bevel inperry, refuse that had request and handed down the maximum for each of those counts. >> i will sentence you to one year in the orange county jail imposing a $1,000 fine on each count, all four counts to run consecutive to each other giving you credit for the time that you previously served. >> okay. it gets a little complicated after that. yes, he gave her the max on the counts she was convicted of, but still she's getting out in six days. let me put the math together for you. she has been locked up for almost three years, but inmates get extra credit for good behavior, so in casey's case that apparently worked out to more than 400 days. she's now set for release july 13th. that is six days from today. now after all of that, she better keep her lawyers though on speed dial, and this is why. a woman named zenaida fernandez gonzalez, the name casey gave to the nonexistent nan who was supposedly had kidnapped caylee, she's suing for defamation. also the state of florida wants case toe repay the cost of investigating caylee's disappearance and death. also, a private firm called texas equusearch is continuing a suit to recoup more than $100,000 it spent to search for caylee in july of 2008. cnn's martin savage was in court for casey's sentencing. he is there for us in orlando, and my, my, my, martin. what a difference 48 hours makes. >> reporter: oh, it definitely did, t.j. take a look at casey anthony herself, the way we saw her demeanor and physical appearance change in that 48 hours. today she shows up in court. she's very talkative. she's got a smile on her face. she's very relaxed, and her hair is down, and that's a striking image because her hair had been up tight. it had been in a pony tail. it had been in a bun, and that had been the very conservative image that all of us had seen for the six weeks that this trial had been ongoing, but now that she knows what the verdict, is a whole different change. as you say, the judge threw the book, but the book really wasn't that big that he could throw. he's now got it down to four misdemeanors essentially. tried to get the max on all of those, but as you pointed out there, the time that's been served, the -- the good behavior, the gametime which is something unique to florida. that's something else, and then also it comes into a very difficult equation is they check with the department of corrections and see, well, what's the availability in the jail because there are other more, well, i guess now they would say dangerous criminals coming in, so all of that came together. she gets out on next wednesday, and it could be one minute after midnight. it does not have to be sort of during business hours given all the concern about her security and keeping public safety in mind, they may take her out of there without much fanfare at all, t.j. >> martin, let's turn to another issue that still needs to be resolved. i believe it's going on right now. the judge in this case did not want to release the names of the jurors in the case. of course, we know there's a lot of public interest and media outlets would like to get ahold of the names because they would hike to get the interviews. now it's possible the media outlets are making a plea for getting the names released. >> right. they are. just by listening to the testimony that's being given and listening to the judge as he makes his comments, the judge does not seem willing or desirous to want to do that at all. he says, look, ever since this case has been going on, he can't even walk around without television cameras all over the place trying to follow him. he does not want that for these jurors, you know. the anonymity of a juror is considered to be one of the vital parts of this whole legal process here, and as you remember, once the verdict was made, the jurors we anticipated we were going to hear from them in a news conference, it is their choice. they don't have to speak, and they all said, no, they don't want to speak. it's clear that given the -- well, the highly emotional nature of the reaction to this verdict, many of them fear for their own safety, and the judge appears to sympathize with that attitude, no matter what the media would like. >> all right. martin, get back to us when the judge does make a decision, if one does come down here shortly. martin, we appreciate it as always. thanks so much. >> about four minutes past the hour now. we take a switch to washington, d.c. we still don't have any breakthroughs in the debt talks, but the important part is we don't have a breakdown either and that's a big deal, these talks going on today between president obama and leaders of congress over ways to reduce america's borrowing binge and thus clear the way for an increase in borrowing authority. you may have seen live at the top of the last hour the president describing today's white house meeting as constructive and saying a followup is already planned. >> what we decided was that staffs, as well as leadership, will be working during the weekend and that i will reconvene congressional leaders here on sunday with the expectation that at that point the parties will at least know where each other's bottom lines are and will hopefully be in a position to then start engaging in the hard bargaining that's necessary to get a deal done. >> now the president is said to be pushing for a much bigger deal than was first contemplated, maybe $1 trillion in spending cuts and tax reforms with medicare, medicaid and social security still on the table. taxes remain the sticking point here. republicans don't want to raise taxes at all. democrats say close loopholes and ending certain breaks and deductions are necessary. treasury says a hike in the debt ceiling also is necessary no later than august 2nd, or we've got a problem. well, other stories we are keeping an eye on this hour. a lawyer for dominique strauss-kahn tells cnn his client will not accept any plea bargain, and he won't plead guilty to anything in the sex crimes case against him. the former head of the international monetary fund is charged with sexual abuse and attempted rape of a new york hotel maid. his legal team met with prosecutors yesterday, a week after credibility questions about the accuser put the case on some shaky ground. no word yet if any plea deal was offered. we turn now to georgia where a special board of education meeting is taking place to deal with a systemwide cheating scandal that's rocked the atlanta public school system. a state investigation found that as many as 178 too muchers in nearly 50 schools were involved in a large-scale cheating scandal. criminal charges are possible. teachers are accused of changing answered on standardized tests. a former school superintendent beverly hall is accused overlooking the conduct. the u.s. department of education released a statement calling this, quote, an unfortunate incident. also, a man hiking with his wife in yellowstone national park was attacked and killed by a grizzly bear wednesday morning. according to the national park service, the couple apparently startled a female bear with her cubs. it's believed the bear attacked the man to try to defend those cubs. this is the first bear-caused human fatality in the park since 1986. all trails and back country campsites have been closed indefinitely. also a shocker in the british hacking scandal. the british tabloid "news of the world" will shut down after sunday's issue. its owner, news international, is telling cnn the development follows accusations that the tabloid hacked into phone messages of murder and terror victims, celebrities and politicians. british police say they have identified nearly 4,000 potential victims of illegal eaves dropping by a private investigator working for "news of the world." this is a 168-year-old paper and the paper is owned by robert mur duck who owns the "wall street journal" as well as fox news. casey anthony gets the maximum sentence for her lies, so how does a maximum sentence translate into her being a free woman in a matter of days? we explain next. mornings, give or take, is all we humans get. we spend them on treadmills. we spend them in traffic. and if we get lucky, really lucky, it dawns on us to go spend them in a world where a simple sunrise can still be magic. twenty-five thousand mornings. make sure some of them are pure michigan. your trip begins at michigan.org. just a few days ago, she faced the possibility of life in prison and possibly even the death penalty, but now in six days casey anthony will walk away a free woman. this is just the latest stunning twist in this case. this morning the judge gave her the maximum now for all the lies she told investigators sentencing her to a total of four years in jail and a $4,000 in fines. keep in mind, she gets credit now for time she's already served in jailed. the court did the math and says anthony will now be released july 13th. that is next wednesday, and now we're also hearing from two jurors who had a hand in freeing casey anthony. juror number 3, jennifer ford, revealed why they couldn't find her guilty for caylee's death. >> how did she die? if you're going to charge someone with murder, don't you know how they killed someone or why they might have killed something or have something, where, when, why, how? those were important questions. they were not answered. >> well, juror number 2 spoke out anonymously saying, quote, everybody agreed we were going fully on evidence. she goes on i swear to god i wish we had more evidence to put her away, i really do, but it just wasn't there. let me bring in holly hughes. misdemeanor counts, four misdemeanor counts. with misdemeanors they don't get the max. the judge going with the max. what was he saying to us? >> what he's saying is the lies that you told cost this county probably hundreds of thousands of dollars, man hour powers, and let's face it, t.j., they could have been out looking for other missing children, and that's what he's upset about. typically when we see a charge of lying to law enforcement officer, it's because some guy gets over for smoking or for speeding. he knows he got an old warrant for smoking speed and he pops and lies and gives his power's name. that's typically false information, right? >> yeah. >> that's what we get all the time, a misdemeanor, a little probation, be on your way. don't use your brother's name. this lie and these series of lies caused the orange county investigators, the fbi, there were tons of law enforcement agencies involved in this, and there was a missing child, so we thought. >> yeah. >> then her attorney gets up in opening and said she was never missing, just kidding, which is essentially what he's saying. >> but is the judge saying in this, you know what? i'm trying to give her everything i can give her because -- he knew she was about to walk out of there pretty soon. was he trying to get her as much jail time as he could. >> honestly i think that he's doing what he believes is called for in the situation. let's face t.remember bird man who flipped off jeff ashton like last week. he got six days for raising his finger in court. i mean, seriously! think about it. this is a judge who has already established on the record he's tough. the lady who hollered out when they were picking a jury, she got a couple of days in jail just for opening her mouth, so when you really think about the magnitude of what casey anthony did, the lies she told and the resources she took away from true missing children. >> yeah. >> oh, yeah, these are the kind of things that deserve the maximum. >> okay. you know what? to the director, can you re-rack that video of her walking in. i don't have that down here, but looking at it, but i can't help but ask. what did that say to you when you saw that woman walk into the courtroom today, everybody just went crazy and started talking about this. what did it say to you when you laid eyes on her? >> all right. it says to me that now that her lies have worked and fooled this jury, now she doesn't have to put on a show anymore. there's not 12 people in the box judging her. the entire trial, what did we see? >> was it all a show? >> are you kidding me? we know -- she's a convicted liar. her attorney stood up in opening and said, yes, she sees a big fat liar, didn't kill her kid but she's a big fat liar. that's their opening. here's the deal. she walks in today and doesn't have to trick anybody anymore, doesn't have to play to a crowd. during the trial when they are trying to distance her from that image, from that trampy, vampy pictures that we saw, there's no makeup and the hair is pulled back very severely and the prominent ears are out and she's looking all, you know, down in the dumps and oh, poor me, woe is me. not smiling. this morning when nobody is watching that matters, out she comes with -- and she sat there the whole time and played with that hair, the whole time. >> wasn't she just relieved in the woman's life was on the line a couple days, could it be that she's relieved? >> it could be, but when you're dealing with somebody with sociopathic tendencies, it's about being invisible. the lies worked. it worked. she's relieved. i mean, come on, wouldn't you be, i mean, seriously? if i was facing the death penalty, i would have been puking on the table, let's face it, you know. she's done. she's relieved, but she also knows she don't have to put an act on for the jury anymore. now she can play to the media. >> ten seconds, nothing legally keeps her from making money now on her story. >> nothing at all, and she will do it. >> all right. holly hughes, we've had you throughout the case and probably not done with you yet. probably another twist or turn will happen in the next six days. >> probably. >> appreciate you as always. >> thanks. coming up, the end of the nasa space shuttle program also means the end of a career for a lot of people. from a rocket scientist to a t-shirt maker, tomorrow's historic shuttle launch kind of bittersweet. we'll explain. there's another way to help eliminate litter box dust: purina tidy cats. tidy cats premium line of litters now works harder on dust. and our improved formulas neutralize odors better than ever in multiple-cat homes. so it's easier to keep your house smelling just the way you want it. purina tidy cats. keep your home smelling like home. 18 minutes past the hour now. give you a look at stories making headlines. time running out for a convicted murderer from mexico who has set off an international legal and diplomatic battle. humberto garcia is scheduled to die by lethal injection tonight. he was convicted of raping and murdering a 16-year-old girl in san antonio 27 years ago, but the obama administration is pushing to delay garcia's execution because he was not informed of his right to contact the mexican consulate when he was arrested. now, the u.s. supreme court is considering an appeal in his case. texas governor rick perry could also step in. and take a look at this. this look familiar? this is the running of the bulls in pamplona, spain. i'll never understand. today is just day one of the festivities with hundreds trying to outrun a raging bull, and not just one, several raging bulls. luckily just a few people were injured and hospitalized, just a few. this is considered a safe start to this dangerous 400-year tradition which has injured thousands over the years and killed 15 people since 1924. and another live picture. you know what they are all hanging out for here? this is the end of an era, the harry potter era. the world premiere of the eighth -- do i have it right, the eighth movie, i believe, in this whole series is premiering. "harry potter and the deathly hallows, part 2," the last one. all gathered there in london right now. a lot of avid fans. they have been waiting in line in some cases for up to two days to be a part of this big moment and a part of movie and harry potter history. turning to another bit of history now. we are less than 24 hours away from witnessing history, what we think is going to be history. this is a live look at the space shuttle "atlantis," supposed to take off tomorrow in what would be the final shuttle flight, but we've got some weather issues. it's florida. it happens, and they will have another couple of possibilities on saturday and sunday if they miss tomorrow's launch date, but still, right now, we're told only a 30% chance that the rain and the weather will cooperate for tomorrow, but along with all the excitement that's surrounding this final launch, there's some sadness as well. our brooke baldwin met a couple whose livelihood could be blasting off right after this final launch. >> through the decades brenda and jerry mulberry marked major life milestones with the launches of the space shuttle. >> we watched the launch of sts one together from the titan complex when i was 21 years old. >> reporter: match made in space heaven. >> yeah. >> reporter: from one of their first dates, to brenda opening up her own t-shirt shop, space shirts, two miles down the road from kenity space center, and right now her business is booming. but with the launch of the 135th and final space shuttle mission, jerry is marking a different kind of memory. >> i started in april of '81. >> reporter: '81, so you worked from '81 until -- >> april of this year. with the program shutting down, you know, everybody got cut back, and our department got cut back a little earlier than some of the others, so it was time to move on. >> reporter: 30 years to the month jerry was laid off. he's one of 7,000 workers at kennedy space center alone who are already jobless or soon will be. it's eerily familiar to the last time this space coast saw manned space flight at a standstill. that was after the last apollo mission in 1975. six years before the launch of the first space shuttle. this time around, jerry says the job outlook is better. >> there's a barrier which is going to build a business jet in the -- right at melbourne airport. they will do their final assembly there, so it's a little different now >> reporter: while this area is steeped in space, tourism officials say space tourism makes up just 5% of all the tourism here now. beaches, cruise ships and the visitors center will still bring in the tourists, but that doesn't take the sting out for someone who just lost his dream job. what's worse, the loss of the space shuttle era, or the loss of nasa family? >> good question. i think it's -- it really goes together. there's a big tradition out there that you get a picture signed, and -- and, you know, you get that, that's it, so it does bother you. it's like when you give your badge in for that last time. it gets to you. >> reporter: for now jerry is helping his wife sell shirts and souvenirs to tourists in town from all around the world. no matter what happens, it will be a bittersweet chapter for a couple who has watched and hoped and loved 134 times, and now they wait for their next mission. >> so we're going to keep printing, and he's going to go find another job and, you know, i mean, i love him to death, but he's a rocket scientist, you know, so -- and it doesn't take a rocket scientist to print t-shirts. >> reporter: brooke baldwin, cnn, kennedy space center. >> you can be sure to join our brooke baldwin and john zarella and our anderson cooper for special coverage of the final shuttle flight. it begins tomorrow at 10:00 eastern right here on cnn. again, we hope the weather will permit that final launch. well, we are counting down to that launch, and we also are counting up the billions and billions of dollars taxpayers have poured into the program. skyrocketing deficits we all have now, we're asking ali velshi and richard quest if it's time to get out of the space business. that's today's "q&a." 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is it a, 28, b, 45, c, 59, or d, 70? >> ali. 58, c. >> incorrect, richard. >> 45: incorrect. try again, mr. develop shy. a, 28. >> incorrect yet again. >> okay, richard. this is actually the one i was going to go for the first time because of space vehicles, 70. >> that is correct. there were 70 vehicles successfully launched into space in 2010. there were also four launches that failed. russia led the way with 30 successful missions. the u.s. and china each had 15. on to question number two. the soviet space agency also built a reusable shuttle for space travel. how many flights did it make? is it a, zero, b, 1, c, 3 or d, 7? richard. >> i think it made zero. >> incorrect. >> ali? >> i'm going for three because it's reusable, so you'd have to have more than one to prove that it worked. >> incorrect. >> richard, that it made -- this was the other one, it made one flight. >> that is correct, richard. it made one successful flight. it was unmanned, and made a successful remote landing after two orbits and 206 minutes in space. the program ran out of money shortly after, and the shuttle that flew was later damaged in a roof collapse at the launch site. on to question number three >> i guess it wasn't all that reusable. according to nasa how high do you have to go before you reach space? is it a, 60 miles, b, 80 miles, c, 75 miles, or d, 100 miles? richard. >> 70 miles. >> incorrect. ali? >> 75 miles. >> that is correct. >> i'm on the board. >> nasa says it's 75 miles or 122 kilometers. that's their re-entry altitude. others do say 100 kilometers or 62 miles is the boundary of space, but according to nasa it's 75. and, unfortunately, for you, mr. develop svelshi wins the ro >> how does it feel winning getting the right answer rather than because there's no other incorrect answers available? >> a win is a win is a win. >> keep the topics coming on our blog, cnn.com/qmb and cn cnn.com/ali. tell us what you want to talk about next. richard, see you next week. >> see you next week. all right. we are hearing, you're seeing a live picture of shuttle "atlantis" having some weather problems. we don't know if it will be able to take off tomorrow, but now we're hearing there's a possible lightning strike near the launchpad. this word coming to us from nasa that it's possible is and they are checking this out, that lightning may have struck about a third of a mile or less from that launchpad. now, there are no indications at this time of any problems this lightning could have caused, but still, they need to go in and check it out and need to check out the shuttle, the launchpad and all the ground support and equipment and make sure that everything is okay, but, still, they haven't been able to do a thorough inspection of all that stuff yet because they continue to have this band of thunderstorms that's causing all kinds of issues right now and kind of causing some delation in what they are trying to do. also, as you know, the shuttle is supposed to take off tomorrow for its historic final flight of the entire shuttle program, but it has only a 30% chance because of weather that they will be able to take off tomorrow, so weather causing some fits right now for this historic last launch of space shuttle "atlantis." we'll keep an eye on this for you. we turn now to really a ground breaking and shocking story today out of great britain where the british tabloid at the center of that phone hacking scandal is closing its doors after sunday's issue. this is "news of the world," we're talking about. one of theest and best-selling newspapers in britain. the dramatic announcement today follows accusations that the paper illegally eaves dropped on the phone messages of murder an terror victims, politicians and celebrities. michael holmes is here with the details in our "globe trekking" today. put it into perspective how big a deal this is. >> it's a big deal. "news of the world" has been around for 168 years. got a rearedship of 3 million, nearly 3 million, 1.8 million, a readership of 7 million and sells 1.8 million. it's a stalwart of the british tabloid newspaper side of things. i've worked as a correspondent out of london from '86 to '91 and this newspaper every sunday is like which scandal will it break now? whose life will it destroy now? politicians and sports stars and getting called out for their little picadillos. this phone hacking scandal is the thing that's brought them down. yeah, you can say while they are being contrite and closing it down, to end it, it's a business decision, really is. >> even so, maybe the newspaper is going to go away, this tabloid. this investigation is going to be going on for some time. >> that's part of the reason why people are saying that rupert murdoch decided to close it which is the name "news of the world" will be dragged through the courts and the mud for months to come. there's talk there will be arrests coming up over this, inquiry will continue, as you say and the feeling is that news corp did not want the name sullied even further by keeping it in existence, and there's speculation already that his other tabloid newspaper there in london, "the sun," automatically will all of a sudden have a sunday edition, "the sun" on sunday so he'll keep it. >> people are talking, every sunday, like a different life destroyed, different celebrity, different politician, but is this how they did business? it seems like this goes back a decade. >> they are not the only ones either. there's several other equally out there tabloids in england, too, and there are in this country, too, for that matter. all around the world you've got that tabloid thing. the british press had that ferocity though, that old fleet street tabloid mentality gunning for people if they figured that they needed wringing down a little bit, and that could be from a politician to a sports star or movie star or whatever, and sometimes to real "b" level people. that's where i really hated the "news of the world" reading, destroy someone's life by exposing something pretty minor by embarrassing somebody who wasn't "a" list or anything like that. a really tacky newspaper in its day but murdoch has other businesses to worry about, the "wall street journal," "the new york post" and fox and all of that, and newspapers apparently account for less than 15% of his overall revenue, so it's not a big deal, but it's an historic newspaper so a lot of people are going -- a lot of eyebrows were raised when they decided to shut it down. >> 168 years over just like that. michael holmes, good to see you as always, buddy. >> thanks very much. 20 minutes to the top of the hour, and the next time you flat-iron your hair, michael or maybe the next time you hit a couple of golf balls on the back nine, you can maybe thank nasa for that. i'll explain next. and while that leaves a little room for balls and tees, it doesn't leave room for much else. there's no room left for deadlines or conference calls. not a single pocket to hold the stress of the day, or the to-do list of tomorrow. only 14 clubs pick up the right one and drive it right down the middle of pure michigan. your trip begins at michigan.org. this past year alone there was a 93% increase in cyber attacks. in financial transactions... on devices... in social interactions... and applications in the cloud. some companies are worried. some, not so much. thanks to a network that secures it all and knows what to keep in, and what to keep out. outsmart the threats. see how at cisco.com cisco. but afraid you can't afford it? 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[ male announcer ] chex cereal. five flavors. gluten free. president obama and vice president biden met with congressional leaders today to discuss the crucial subject of deficit reduction and the debt ceiling. the president called the meeting constructive and announced more talks are coming on sunday. president seeking $3 trillion to $1 trillion in cuts and medicare, medicaid and social security is all on the table. cutting social security is always a pretty touchy subject, more than just a retirement program. benefits also paid to the disabled as well as the spouse, a child or depend ant parent of a worker who has died. millions depend on it, but an interesting argument is being made by a local minority. what if we just get rid of social security all together, and that question now should social security be abolished is the question for today's stream team. the founder of the memphis tea party joins me now and also roger hickey, the co-director of the campaign for america's future. mark, let me start with you. get rid of it all together? does social security and has it not over time served a lot of good in this country? >> well, t.j., it has, but let's be clear. i'm in my 50s now, and this year for the first time i think we're going to spend $29 billion more than taxes actually pay for social security. we're sitting on $2.5 trillion of ious from the treasury for social security since the monies have been used for other used in the treasury and in the budget so i think we need to over time move towards privatization and i think it's a practical matter. certainly a person of my age looking at 65 and where we are has no real likelihood of having that money be paid, and indeed the other part we deal with is this notion of continuing to raise the age limit. we have a demographic problem in this country as well. we have particularly when you look at communities, african-americans, roughly five-year age difference between whites and whites less than hispanics so the notes of fairness comes in, and i suspect that moving towards a rational release of the traditional system towards a private system will be a much better solution. >> roger, let me bring you in here now, and i think a lot of people make the same arguments, and i think a lot of people are scared that social security is in such dire straits that people like mark and younger folks will not see that money. are you -- do you argue with some of those assertions that he just made, or do you think social security is a good program that needs to continue the way it is? >> i'm sorry. i think mark missed the bush administration when the republicans really tried hard to privatize social security, and they went around the country and talked to people and lo and behold most people love social security. most people thought the idea of privatizing social security was a terrible idea, and that's why it never got anywhere in the congress, even though bush pushed it a lot. now, it's true that -- that some republicans still want to do that. that's their secret wish, but for the average american, including tea party members, i would say, social security is a major, major important program for their retirement, and the idea of getting rid of it, all you have to do is think about the recent financial crash, and if we had privatized social security under bush, imagine what people's incomes after that crash would have been? they would have lost everything just like the smart guys did in the wall street. >> with all due -- >> it's really a bad idea. it's an idea rejected by the american people. we're debating whether or not to cut social security benefits a little bit, but most people don't even like the idea of cutting social security benefits. >> mark, i'll go ahead and let you respond and i'll come back to you and let you wrap it up, roger, but it sounded like you wanted to say something. >> chile is a very good example. albeit a very smaller country. annuities, people didn't lose any money as a result of crash. there are fundamental ways you can structure the investments to ensure no downside and a reasonable upside and secondly i think people are much more educated today than even in the bush years, eight, ten years ago. they recognize the huge deficits we have and the promise of ious only in the current social security system. i'm not suggesting a radical departure but over time educating people to the realities is a necessary and prudent step. >> and to that point, roger, and i'll let you wrap it up. those realities, a lot of politicians are wanting to educate the public about the realities of this system but at the same time you say you want to change social security and immediately you're going to get public rejection of that idea. >> yeah. why is that, t.j.? because most people depend on social security in their retirement years. the pension system really doesn't function anymore, and so social security is what keeps a lot of people out of poverty, and rightly so. we've paid into it all of our lives. it's a -- it's a reliable system. it's not in trouble financially for a couple of decades. we can make simple fixes to social security, but -- but it should not be used as a way to get ahold of that trust fund money to use for deficit reduction. that would be a really destructive thing to do, and it would shatter the consensus that americans have had since the new deal that we really ought to make sure that people are not destitute in their old age. >> roger hickey and mark skoda, wonder if this debate is happening in washington at the white house right now because we're told social security is on the tail right now in these deficit and debt talks. gentlemen, good to see you. know we'll see you again. thanks so much. as we get close to the top of the hour. let's say hello. looky, looky who we have in atlanta with us. our deputy political director paul steinhauser, got our political update. >> always good to see you. mitt romney, running for u.s. president, so why is he in great britain? what's going on with that? well, he was over there today meeting with the british prime minister. how did we find out about that? he told us on twitter. take a look at this, gave us a picture in his tweet meeting with the british prime minister over there. also yesterday had a fund-raiser. listen, this isn't the first television candidate go to britain, john mccain, barack obama and rudy giuliani all did this last time around so it beefs up their foreign policy chops and helps them with fund-raising, a lot of americans who live in britain have a lot of money and want to spend some of it on candidate. new campaign ads, the ad wars in iowa heating up, iowa so important, the first caucus state. michele bachmann up with a new ad. what does she do in that ad, reminds people in iowa guess where i was born, iowa. how is that, t.j. >> a pretty good strategy. one political campaign having to apologize to the other, and bachmann is in the middle of this one. >> getting the apology. tim pawlenty, a good friend of his, an adviser of his, talking about bachmann saying good things about her but said she's got a little sex appeal. well, what did he do apologizing saying i made a respect and disrespectful to my friend congresswoman bachmann. >> i have to apologize it. bet these not the last time that comes up somewhere in this campaign. paul, good to see you. as always, thanks so much, buddy. getting close, like i said, to the top of the hour, and the next political update from the best political team on television is an hour away, but coming up next, the single most important person in the three-year long casey anthony ordeal has probably gotten the least attention. tell you about it in my xyz. well, 2-year-old caylee marie anthony used to love the song "you are my sunshine." she would sing it with her granddad who she called joe joe. her grandmother says she was a baby that never woke up crying. she always woke up laughing. now, unlike a lot of other kids caylee loved vegetables, especially green beans. go figure. caylee was also a movie buff, "sleeping beauty" and "101 dalmatians" among her favorites, and she would also say good night to the stars when she went to bed at night. well, it seems like we know just about everything there is to know about casey anthony's life. we will only know so much about 2-year-old caylee's life because in part we only have two years of her life to work with. caylee didn't get a chance to turn 3 years old or 4 years old or 5 years old. on august 9th of next month she's not going to get a chance to turn 6 years old. during this whole case, this whole ordeal, so many people have asked me why is nobody talking about caylee? well, just like so many other things in this case, including her life and also a lot of people now say her mother's jail sentence simply didn't have enough time, and that'sy xyz for today. the newsroom continues now with edie hill. it's all yours. >> thank you, hi, everyone. i'm edie hill. in today for brke
picture for me to consider. there were quite a few people after we got back when the verdict was read, we were in tears. >> why were you crying after you handed down a not guilty verdict on murder? >> not guilty doesn't mean innocence. it doesn't mean innocent. >> how do you feel about that? that you may have let a woman who murdered her own daughter walk off that charge? >> it doesn't feel good. it was a horrible decision to have to make but i had to do it based on the law. >> based on the law, and she says the prosecution never proved how she died. caylee anthony. also, jennifer ford went on and said that in the very beginning, there were a lot of conflicting ideas in the jury room and in fact, on the first vote, the vote was 10-2, not guilty. on the first vote! she also says the father of casey anthony, george, she didn't believe him! >> did not help the state's case. >> why? >> because he was clearly dishonest. and -- yes. >> how? >> well, he was evasive, number one. his story seemed to change depending on, like they said, initially he was on the defense's side. so he would fight with mr. ashton and not give straight answers but then he switched to the prosecution's side and now he won't give the defense straight answers. it's all what do you mean? and can you ask the question again? and, you know, it's like clearly you can follow a logical conversation and respond. like he acted like he just couldn't understand what was going on and it was -- it was clear to me that he was just being difficult. he didn't want to answer questions and it didn't help the prosecution's case, he was going to try to just -- i don't recall. >> probably just a little edgy because his own daughter accused him of child abuse. >> she said two things there. she said not guilty doesn't mean innocent. in this case, it did. i mean, there are three counts of not guilty. that means innocent of the charges and she was going to walk. they had to know that and the other one, very important, they were sick to their stomachs, right? that's the test. almost everything you do, if you don't feel good in here doing it, it's usually the wrong thing to do. >> i think what she's saying is that she had to follow the law. and the way in which they were interpreting the law, they could never get to the fact that there was actually a murder. keep in mind that the defense's opening statement said this is an accident. they never had to come back and give any evidence to that which is bizarre in the way our court system works. it really stuck in the jurors' mind. >> there are murder cases and people on death row with no body. or even if there is in fact a murder but people are on death row for that. >> at the end of the day, what this particular juror went on to say, she said that, you know, and prosecution didn't prove that caylee was murdered. this woman right here, jennifer ford told terry moran that she felt that caylee anthony died from an accident so she bought the story that apparently she drowned and then george took the body a month later, put it in the swamp, stuff like that. >> the most compelling point is put duct tape on the mouth. the most compelling point to me in the closing argument of the prosecution was never before have they heard of a case where it's an accident and you turn it into a murder! in other words, the baby drowns and then you put tape on the face and deposit it in the swamp? that to me was the most compelling thing the prosecution ever said. >> don't forget, to believe that and to find her not guilty, casey anthony on all those charges, you had to believe at the last minute, this story is true. after three years of saying someone took caylee, we don't know where she was. we had nothing to do with the death. and then at the last minute when the jury trial started six weeks ago, by the way, george anthony helped bury a body that died in the swimming pool by accident. >> sure. very interesting that on the first vote, the vote was to acquit her 10-2. also, we should point out that there's another juror out there, i believe it's juror number 6 according to tmz, he's through a p.r. agency out of raleigh around to a number of news organizations. he will tell his story for a sum in the mid five figures. a little later on, three hours from right now, there will be a sentencing of casey anthony down in that courtroom. same judge. she was convicted on four counts of lying to the cops. she could go free. then again she might have to stay in jail for another year. >> in the meantime, do you remember marsha clark? she was the prosecutor in the o.j. simpson case in 1996. she gave an interview yesterday which is also very compelling and her final summation was that the casey anthony verdict is worse than o.j. being acquitted. here's what she says. in every case a defense attorney will do his or her best to give the jury a reason to doubt. they don't necessarily equate with a reasonable doubt. a reason does not equal reasonable. sometimes that distinction can get lost. >> right, exactly. and the backdrop, so different than o.j. because with o.j., you had racial overtones. you had the fact that he was a celebrity and then she goes on to write, marcia clark in "the daily beast" there were no bombshells that blew up in the prosecution's face like the mark fuhrman thing at the last minute and also all the collection questions about how stuff against o.j. was collected. it just seems like that this jury needed absolute certitude to convict her of anything. they had a whole list of things they could have convicted her. they wanted evidence. reasonable doubt became absolute certitude they didn't get that. they went with not guilty. not guilty. not guilty. >> we'll be talking with the prosecutor in that kcase, he'll be joining "fox & friends" at 6:50 a.m. eastern time. keep in mind that he submitted his resignation before the verdict came in. >> yep. >> in the meantime, cassy anthony is revealing some jailhouse letters that are very interesting because she apparently writing to another inmate saying she wants more children. she said to this inmate maybe we could plan the pregnancies at the same time. she wants to do a book deal, a combination of speaking about god, parenting and a memoir put into one. most interesting thing to me is she wants to change her name. that might be a good idea. >> yeah, and in fact, when she was writing to robin adams between 2008 and 2009 apparently there are 250 pages that were presented as evidence by the prosecution in this so we're looking back at some of the evidence. what she said was she wrote to robin, i had a dream not too long ago that i was pregnant. it was like having cays all over again. i thought about adopting which even sounds weird to me saying it but there are so many children that deserve to be loved. let's make a deal. let's get pregnant together. if it's really possible to plan it. as for the name change, obviously, going forward, it will be helpful to her if she did change her name. casey anthony very famous. she asked robin, take the keys away from the car, ma. she asked robin for suggestions. >> probably should change my name. got any ideas? >> that might be one of her easier things that she could get done. rest of the headlines. one marine died, five others hurt after their helicopter crashed at camp pendleton, california during a practice exercise, marine corps has not said how badly the injured marines were hurt. they were taken to local hospitals and we don't know the identity of the marines who died. the helicopter was a super huey part of the third marine air wing. warner for visitors to yellowstone national park after a gruesome attack, a grizzly bear killed a man while his wife watched unable to stop what was happening. >> some other hikers on the trail heard the woman's cries for help and they called 911 which summoned the rangers. >> park officials say the bear likely felt threatened by the couple and was likely trying to protect its cubs. this was the third deadly attack in just over a year. airlines being warned now by the government that terrorists may be planning to surgically implant bombs inside their bodies to evade security. as a result, travelers may find themselves subjected to more scrutiny flying this summer. right now, the body scanners used by the tsa are reportedly not strong enough to detect objects inside the body. i thought that's what they were for. experts say embedding the bombs in the body is not a new tactic. recent research shows a fresh interest in using that method. republicans reportedly ready to talk about a debt deal now with the white house. this morning, president obama is going to meet with congressional leaders on both sides to work towards raising the debt ceiling. during his twitter town hall, the president said congress shouldn't toy with the limit. >> the debt ceiling should not be something that is used as a gun against the heads of the american people to extract tax breaks for corporate jet owners. >> the president wants to reduce the deficit with tax subsidies and closing loopholes but republicans have opposed measures that would raise taxes. the u.s. faces an august 2nd deadline, folks, right around the corner when we could talk. cleanup time in phoenix, the city is covered in dirt after that 100 mile wide dust cloud engulfed the city. cleanup and repair expected to cost thousands of dollars. many residents don't have electricity after the storm knocked down many power lines. take a look at this video. this is a time lapse of the storm as it descended on the city. that's amazing video. visibility dropped to zero in some areas when that dust cloud hit. i wonder how common that is because it's -- those are amazing pictures right there. >> it's called a haboob, there it goes. it's out of town. meanwhile, 11 minutes after the top of the hour. police ambushed in a firefight literally. crooks fighting back with fireworks? 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[ both sigh ♪ go daddy girls coming to set! ...aaand everybody's staring. ♪ go daddy [ male announcer ] see more now -- at godaddy.com. >> as we wait to see if casey anthony walks away from sentencing a free woman, there are concerns about her safety because of all the outrage over the not guilty verdict similar to another famous case. >> orenthall james simpson not guilty to the charge of murder. >> as to the charge of first degree murder, we find the defendant not guilty. >> our next guest was a jury and trial consultant for both the casey anthony and the o.j. simpson trials, richard gabrielle joins us from phoenix. sir, tell us about it. tell us the similarities between the two. obviously one was a celebrity and one wasn't. give us a sense of what you were seeing when you were looking at the jury for both. >> well, let me tell you, the similarities is obviously both cases gripped this nation. both touched a number of emotional nerves in a lot of people. and as a result, america became so heavily invested in those cases. both had immense pretrial publicity. quite frankly, most people concluded that both of those defendants were guilty before the trial and, of course, both verdicts came out with a very unpopular verdict because the jury in both of those cases said we don't have the evidence that we need to actually convict these defendants and i think what you see in both of these cases is that there's a huge difference between those of us who sit in our living rooms and watch these cases, we can speculate, we can find all kinds of things to come to the conclusion that we -- we think they probably did it but a jury in the jury box sitting in the courtroom every day is charged with a higher duty which is beyond a reasonable doubt to make the prosecution convince the case. >> as a consultant, when you were looking at that jury, did you see this coming at all where there were acquittals on all three or four of the major charges. did you see that happening? >> i did see it happening. and the fact is we did a focus group before this case, before the case started. and that focus group came to the same conclusion. we were quite frankly surprised because of all this prejudicial stuff we thought people would sort of automatically conclude that she was guilty so with both of those cases, we saw this interesting phenomena which they just couldn't find enough there to really get to that really strong overcome the burden of proof. >> right. so another interesting phenomena that you point out, attractive defendant. scott peterson, casey anthony, o.j. simpson are more likely to be cleared by jurors. please explain. >> well, scott peterson was not cleared by a jury. he was convicted and also sentenced to death. so it really depends on the defendant and how it fits in the case. in the scott peterson case, he was accused of wanting to get rid of his wife because he wanted a philandering lifestyle. i felt in this case, an attractive casey anthony would actually favor the prosecution. although the research does show that, you know, for the most part, jurors will give some credibility to more attractive defendants in this particular case when it reinforces the theory and the theme of the prosecution that she wanted a freer lifestyle, it actually went against the defense. we were concerned about that going forward. >> you had a bird's eye view and interesting perspective on both the o.j. simpson trial and the casey anthony trial. thank you very much, sir. and by the way, coming up, we're going to speak to prosecutor jeff ashton in just about 30 minutes or so. dick morris, famous for taking down political opponents, so he wanted to know, has he ever seen -- we wanted to know, has he ever seen anything like this? media matters and george soros using taxpayer money to attack fox news. dick morris is up next. then who said our borders were more secure than ever? that's an illegal immigrant heading for freedom right there. ♪ ♪ you are my sunshine ♪ my only sunshine ♪ you makes me happy ♪ when skies are grey ♪ you'll never know, dear ♪ how much i love you ♪ please don't take my sunshine away ♪ [ male announcer as long as there are babies, they'll be evy's to bring them home. ♪ >> 22 minutes after the top of the hour if you're just getting up, a couple of quick headlines for you. heat is on, attorney general eric holder is accused of blocking the congressional investigation into the controversial fast and furious gun tracking program. ken melton, the acting director of the atf says other agencies were heavily involved in the sting operation that allowed guns into the hands of mexican drug cartels and that holder has tried to muzzle his testimony. an appeals court rules the ban on gays in the military must end immediately. the pentagon is well on its way to doing that anyway. activists say the ruling will force the charges until the process is complete. let's head over to steve. >> thank you very much, gretch. our next guest is credited with successful political campaigns against both republicans and democrats but has he ever seen anything like media matters waging war against fox news and our parent company newscorp? fox news contributor and author of "revolt" dick morris joins us from connecticut. good morning to you, dick. >> i've seen it, steve, but not in the united states. in argentina, the kirshna government, the government has gone after a news organization in the form of communist countries, you see it all the time but the spectacle of an organization that is tax exempt, using its money largely donated by soros and a few left wingers to try to discredit not an individual, not a party, not a point of view but an entire news network is unique for the united states. >> what's unique about it is, you know, they're trying to take down a corporation that is, you know, what we're doing here is exercising our first amendment rights. >> a big part of it is how well you're doing it. i did a survey and i asked people who are voters whether they watch fox news or not and i found that 67% of republicans watch fox news several times a week or more. that you knew. but 54% of independents watched it several times a week or more. and 21% of democrats watched it several times a week or more. so there really is an effort here to try to demonize a source of information. and, you know, you guys don't make this stuff up. the stuff you're reporting is stuff that's happening. you know, pugh research did a study during the last campaign that as far as i'm concerned is definitive. they looked at the fox news stuff. not like we're doing now which is opinion. but the news part. the 6:00 and 7:00 news broadcast. and they did the number of seconds that were devoted to positive and negative coverage of each candidate. and the only network that came close to parody between positive and negative on obama and on mccain was fox news. the others were skewed four and five to 1 negative on mccain and positive on obama. >> speaking of skewed, dick, take a look at this. you know, david brock, the founder of media matters has said he's waging a war on fox news and you look at the number of stories they -- and posts they've done about fox news since january of this year, 2600 and just a handful from the other -- about the other networks. clearly, that is their business plan, to try to take us down as they have a tax exemption from federal government. >> it's backfiring, steve, because all of their watchers drive up our ratings because they have thousands of people who have they hire apparently just to watch us. but seriously, the point is that o'reilly is reaching over five million people a day. >> driving them nuts. >> and it's driving them insane. they don't have far to go, by the way. >> you're right about the insane part. all right, dick morris joining us live from connecticut. thank you, sir. next up on the rundown, we'll take you live to orlando. today, 2 1/2 hours from right now, casey anthony could be a free woman. she's going to be sentenced. plus could the prosecutor caught laughing in court have swayed the jury's decision? 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visit sprintrelay.com. >> vice president joe biden has a new twitter account. he said he will not rest until he can embarrass the president in every media platform ever invented. >> all right, president obama got a surprise question at his twitter town hall yesterday. our next question comes from someone you may know. this is speaker boehner. >> well, there you go. >> after embarking on a record spending binge that left us deeper in debt, where are the jobs? and then on a note that these characters are his fault. aanot his fault. >> john needs to work on his typing skills. well, look, the -- obviously, john is the speaker of the house. he's a republican. and so this is a slightly skewed question. >> skewed question. as it turns out, when the tweet left the speaker's office, there were no typos, it apparently was on the receiving end. but after laughing it off, the president actually answered and blamed president bush. >> we have not seen fast enough job growth relative to the need. i mean, we lost, as i said, four million jobs before i took office. before i was sworn in. about four million jobs were lost in the few months right after i took office before our economic policies had a chance to take any effect. and over the last 15 months, we've actually seen two million jobs created in the private sector. >> so stuart varney is here to weigh in on that. is he telling the truth? >> the truth? that's an elusive idea, is it not? you blame president bush because your administration hasn't created the number of jobs that you're expecting to create and give us a vigorous recovery. let me go back a few years but i can nowadays. if you get back to 1980-1981, in came president reagan facing a very nasty recession. what does he do? he stimulates the private sector of the economy and boom, you've got an economic boom that creates millions and millions of jobs and replaces all of those jobs that were lost on jimmy carter. in comes president obama and he creates a government program. government spending to get the economy turned around. and it flat out doesn't work. >> absolutely. so while speaker boehner sent that tweet to the president, turns out the afl-cio sent exactly the same question to the president because they -- his political allies wants to know where are the jobs? >> afl-cio, the man who runs it is richard trumpka and said precisely the same thing, same question. where are the jobs? that sounds like a republican but this is big labor. >> here are the votes. where are the jobs? >> here's the money. here's the money for the next election campaign so where are the jobs? i think mr. trumka wants infrastructure investments, a whole lot more government spending on roads, bridges and tunnels. union jobs. and i think he wants us to bail out the states who are about to fire a whole bunch of unionized teachers and other government workers. >> we should point out that if you watch that twitter town hall, these questions were prescreened. there were groups, they were looked at and the ones they chose to send through actually got through. >> that wasn't a genuine town hall. a genuine town hall is a give and take face to face. not -- >> prescreen the audience. >> something that is genuine is the fact that it's your birthday today. so happy birthday, stu varney! >> wow! >> i'll see you later on your show on the fox business network. >> yes, you will. >> 9:20 eastern. thanks very much. >> thank you. >> just hours from now, casey anthony could be a free woman. the 25-year-old is set to be sentenced today. >> patrick is live outside the orange county jail where she is housed this morning. good morning to you, patrick. >> good morning, yeah. casey marie anthony could be waking up here at the orange county jail for the very last time. she faces judge perry once again at the orange county courthouse later on this morning at 9:00 for her sentencing hearing. she has been found guilty of lying to investigators. those are four misdemeanor counts which can take up to a year in prison for each count. that judge could sentence her concurrently or consecutively. we'll have to wait and see. for now, we are live outside the orange county jail, i'm patrick pegese, back to you in the studio. >> thank you very much. you'll see the sentencing right here on the fox newschannel about 2 1/2 hours from now when we got the prosecutor coming up shortly. >> in 10 minutes, prosecutor jeff ashton who took a lot of heat for his demeanor in court will be here live. >> now for other stories making headlines on this thursday morning. right now, texas governor rick perry defying calls from the white house to stop the execution of a convicted killer. mexican national umberto garcia set to be executed tonight in texas for raping and murdering a teenage girl. president obama is asking the supreme court to stop it. he says garcia's rights were violated because the vienna conventions require four nationals to be able to contact their consulates when arrested in another country. >> the search for seven missing u.s. tourists now being extended beyond the standard 96 hours. the families of those fishermen hanging on to hope they might be found alive. >> we still have hope that they're alive and that they can be found and they can be returned to them safely. >> i know enough motivation that if he's out there and he's alive, he's fighting. >> the fishermen vanished sunday when their boat capsized off the coast of baja, california. one man was found dead. >> and a follow-up to that stunning cheating scandal in atlanta. several of the educators who fessed up to changing students' grades to put money in their pockets may never be prosecuted according to local courts, they were offered immunity for spilling the beans but will they lose their jobs, certification and pensions? how did 178 public schoolteachers and principals get away with inflating grades for so long? ahead on "fox & friends", we'll ask the state superintendent live. >> fourth of july celebration turns into a near riot when a mob turns on firefighters and cops shooting off fireworks at them. it all went down in peoria, illinois, the first responders got a call a dumpster was on fire. when they arrived on the scene, they were attacked with commercial grade fireworks. they even pelted them with bottles and rocks. several officers were burned. but are expected to be just fine. what numskulls would do that? >> those ones. all right. straight ahead, who said our borders were more secure than ever before? take a close look. that fella in the spot shadow, an illegal alien hopping the fence for freedom. >> and heading into debt talks, the president told everyone to check their talking points at the door. but he's having trouble following his own demands. will a deal ever get done? juan williams and andrea tantaros will debate next. can getting enough vegetables make you feel good? 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>> thanks, eric. members of congress being told to leave their talking points at the door when they meet with the president later on today to talk about the debt ceiling limit. but it doesn't sound like he's taking his own advice on talking points, does it? >> the debt ceiling should not be something that is used as a gun against the heads of the american people to extract tax breaks for corporate jet owners or oil and gas companies that are making billions of dollars because the price of gasoline has gone up so high. >> there's that corporate jet owner thing again. so will anything productive really come out of today's meeting? we hope so. for a fair and balanced debate, we're joined by fox news contributor juan williams, and columnist and fox news contributor andrea tantaros. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> good morning. >> do you think they're going to check their talking points at the door, juan, or are republicans going to continue to say no tax hikes and the democrats are going to have to stay -- you know, we're going to do everything and hike taxes as well? >> you know, i mean, the whole equation has changed this morning because what we learned is, apparently, speaker boehner and president obama were having secret meetings over at the white house -- over the weekend, i should say, at the white house, and they're now talking about more than $2 trillion in cuts and they're talking about going after major entitlement spending, medicare, medicaid but alternatives, and this is the big news, social security. so it looks to me like the president is really open to whatever is possible in terms of making a bigger, more impactful deal. and now i think that increases pressure on republicans to similarly step up to the table on tax cuts. >> well, andrea, there are some stories out there this morning, now they're talking about maybe $4 trillion in cuts over the next 10 years but juan is absolutely right. there's a story being floated that the president is willing to talk about social security and a number of democrats are horrified. what's he talking about? apparently, it's just a gimmick so that the president can say, i was willing to do that but the republicans weren't willing to cut tax? >> yeah, a lot of people are speculating it's a debating and negotiating tool that he can come out and say, i came to the table but republicans were, you know, still stuck on these tax increases. you know, if he was going to talk about social security, he's going to have a hard time convincing senator harry reid. remember? he doesn't think there's anything wrong with social security. so look, i do think it's big headlines that the president is willing to look at entitlements but here's what scares me, steve. the fact that they are doing this up against the wall racing to reform, medicare, social security, medicaid and cut all this money. i mean, if you want to do entitlements, let's do it right and let's not rush it but i am hopeful that this is just more than spin and it's just more than a smoke screen by the president. i mean, if he really wants to reform entitlements, that will -- that will be a very, very big, big headline. >> that would be big. all right, juan, a rebuttal? >> well, you know, i think the key thing here is to understand that i think the president is in a stronger position than the republicans in this. if you look at the numbers, people are fed up with big government spending. but at the same time, they don't and this echos andrea's point, they don't want to have entitlement spending done at your head level. you have to take time to do it and here you have a situation where republicans are insisting that you can't have any kind of tax hike for the richest in the country that there shouldn't be shared sacrifice. i think the american people say, you know what? if the republicans blow up the economy and spend the inflation skyrocketing they're the ones that will be blamed, not president obama. >> you think a lot of americans would say we probably sacrificed enough. we'll have to end it right there. thank you very much. coming up one hour from right now, congressman eric cantor will be joining us live to talk about what they're going to talk about with the president. meanwhile, your favorite canceled soap opera is getting another shot. yep, the network is ready to make a deal. details at the top of the hour. oh, boy. and could the prosecutor caught laughing during casey anthony's trial have swayed the jury's decision? prosecutor jeff ashton will join us live next. >> in just two hours, casey anthony will learn if she will be a free woman. the not guilty verdict stunning and outraging a lot of people and a lot of that anger is being directed at the jury. juror number 3 has now spoken out about their decision. >> there wasn't enough evidence, there wasn't anything strong enough to say exactly, i don't think anyone in america could tell us exactly how she died. if you put even just the 12 jurors in one room with a piece of paper, write down how caylee died. nobody knows. we'd all be guessing. >> so it's cause of death that was a problem? >> how can you punish someone for something if you don't know what they did? >> lead prosecutor in the case, jeff ashton is my guest right now. good to see you. >> good to be here. >> i know it's been a whirlwind for you since the verdict came down but now we're starting to hear from the jurors. one thing is they couldn't get to murder. the evidence, according to them, did not get them to murder. did you ever think that in your wildest dreams? >> i didn't. and, you know, when we look at the photographs of how caylee was found and the evidence, you know, we saw something. obviously, the jurors didn't see it and that's part of the jury system is they get to look at it the way they look at it. but i'd always said that if someone could look at the photographs of how she was found, the duct tape, where it was and i know most people didn't get to see it in an unblurred way which is good, you know, but, you know, it said something to me. and obviously, it didn't to them and that's the jury system. >> so the cause of death, obviously, you would have hoped that the coroner could have come to the stand. she did say it was homicide. but you hoped she could have been able to say suffocation. >> well, i mean, she was limited in what she could say medically and i understand and respect her and i wouldn't have wanted her to stretch beyond what the medicine would allow. clearly, she was correct. medically, you couldn't tell that the tape killed her because the tape wasn't on flesh, you know. but that doesn't mean that by putting the pieces together, you couldn't come to that conclusion. the jury didn't. >> one of the things the jury had to do in this case is they really did have to put together a puzzle. they didn't have d.n.a. they didn't have an eyewitness. and the lead defense counsel, jose baez is being asked about whether or not you overcharged casey anthony in this case. here was his response. >> do you think they would have been more effective if they would have asked for a lesser charge. >> absolutely. >> what do you think they should have asked for? if you're the prosecutor, what should they have asked for? >> i'm not the prosecutor. >> you think you went too far? >> absolutely. >> that's ridiculous, the jury was given options of lesser offenses all the way down to manslaughter. so, you know, the jury had all the different options in front of them, you know, we -- if our theory of what happened is correct, then it was first-degree murder and we honestly believed that it was. to say that if we charged her with manslaughter, they might more likely have convicted her is just not true. >> so it seemed like the judge allowed most of the things that you wanted to be admitted into court. was there any evidence that was compelling that didn't get into court? >> none -- none that should have gotten into court. i mean, there were -- there was plenty of hearsay, rumor, speculation, things of that sort that don't belong in a courtroom so every piece of admissible evidence that the jury should have heard, they were allowed to hear so no, there was nothing that i would say i wish we could have gotten in that we didn't. >> much has been made of your demeanor in court during closing arguments. after the judge had instructed the two of you to not have any sort of outbursts or reactions. i want to show the video right here that during jose baez's closing you were laughing and i'm wondering now if you feel that that impacted the jury at all. >> i don't think it did. i honestly don't think that what the lawyers do has that great an effect on the jurors. obviously it didn't. none of them has mentioned it. it was a long trial. we were all very, very tired. i shouldn't have let my amusement at what mr. baez was doing show, i did. but no, that had nothing to do with the verdict in the case. >> i want to go through a list of things you may not have expected to have happened in this case. number one, that the defense in opening arguments would say that george anthony and lee anthony, the brother to casey, had sexually abused her. did you know that? did you have any idea of that before jose baez said it that day? >> yeah, we knew that. we had known that through some discovery in the case which was sealed from public view because of the nature of it. so we knew that. you know, we expected some of that -- him to say some of that in opening. we were surprised when none of it was actually proven in court. that did surprise us a little bit. we knew it was coming. >> it's interesting. that seemed to not be important to the jury at all because he was not allowed to use it in his closing. number two, they didn't appear to believe george anthony and he was one of your star witnesses, right? >> yeah, i was actually -- it will be interesting to hear more from them about what they actually thought of him. i can't imagine that they thought he actually did anything involved in this case. you know, george anthony clearly was affected as anyone would be by being accused of, you know, disposing of his granddaughter's body the way it was disposed of. >> do you think he had anything to do with this case? >> no, i do not. i don't think anyone could read the -- particularly the suicide letter that he wrote and believe he had anything to do with this. >> all right. number 3, the things you may not have expected that the jury believed she was a good mother. >> yeah, that does surprise me based upon the conduct after the crime occurred. that does surprise me that they would accept the snippets of things that people said and -- >> and not the 31 days where she went out and partied after the daughter was missing. >> yeah. >> of all the cases, is this the one that got away now that you're retiring? >> no, there's been others that we didn't get the verdict we wanted and it happens in 30-year career, you expect that sometimes. this was one of the more surprising ones, i will say that. but it happens. >> jeff ashton, the lead prosecutor in the casey anthony case, thanks so much for joining us on "fox & friends." >> thank you very much. >> as for casey anthony herself, from tv interviews to book deals and more, she's set to make millions possibly once she's set free. but can she really cash in? 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>> and they're back! and guess what, they're still taking our money. despite the undercover controversy that landed acorn in hot water, they're still receiving a lot of taxpayer dollars from the federal government. how is that possible? we'll tell you, hour two of "fox & friends" for a thursday starts right now. >> welcome, everyone, to thursday. brian is enjoying a couple of days off and eric bolling from the fox business network and soon to be the new 5:00 show. >> wow. >> that's going to be great. >> now did they call it 5 because there are five of you or because it's on at 5:00? >> yes. >> ok, thank you. >> that's a double answer. it works for both questions. thanks for being here, eric, let's get to your headlines and fox news alert. the roof of a soccer stadium in the netherlands has collapsed and there are people trapped now under the rubble. these picture into our newsroom. the stadium was undergoing a renovation when part of the roof caved in. it's not known how many people are hurt. we'll keep following that one for you this morning. another developing story overnight. one marine has died and five others hurt after their helicopter crashed at camp pendleton, california, during a practice exercise. the marine corps has not said how badly the injured marines are hurt. they were all taken, though, to local hospitals. we also do not know the identity of the marine who died. the helicopter was a super huey, part of the third marine aircraft wing. dsk says no deal. dominique strauss-khan, the former head of the international monetary fund accused of assaulting a maid refused to cop a plea. they are rejecting requests for the maid's lawyer to step aside and let a special prosecutor take over the case. they say the district attorney's office has unfairly branded her a liar. cleanup time in phoenix because the city was covered in dirt. cleanup and repair is expected to cost thousands of dollars and many residents still have no electricity after the storm knocked down so many power lines. take a look at this amazing video, a time lapse of the storm as it descended on the city. visibility dropped to zero in some areas when that dust cloud hit. canceled soap operas "all my children" and "one life to live." say it isn't so. may live on after all on line. abc is scrubbing the soaps in september but "the new york post" reports the network just sold the rights to the shows. the buyer, an entertainment company called prospect park. that company is starting an on-line network promising to pick up the dramas right where they leave off. and those are your headlines. >> let's see if they bring back the secret storm. all right. it was kind of -- listen -- >> what? that's a story line i missed. >> the secret storm was a soap opera back in the day. >> oh, oh! >> like grandma watching it. it was like a soap opera, what went down over the last month or so in a courtroom in orlando, florida. of course, casey anthony found not guilty in the death of her daughter. earlier, gretch was just talking to the prosecutor and we're going to hear from him in just a moment but really to figure out why the jury voted that way, you got to talk to the jurors and a juror by the name of jennifer ford said that really came down to there was not enough evidence to prove how caylee died. so many of you saw it on television and said there was plenty. i saw it. will she be able to sleep ok at night with that decision? she says yes. >> i'm honestly just fine because i had -- in this country, that's our constitution. i applied the law. i did the best i could. i tried to make it work. i was reaching, i was trying to, you know, like i said, if they're all three there and no medical attention is given, then that's -- that's what's it, culpable negligence. failure to provide safety and medical care and things like that. i was trying to go for that. but there's just not enough. it's just stretching and reaching and there's just not quite enough to get there. >> so the prosecution's case was that, hey, they took chloroform. they knocked out the kid. she put duct tape over her mouth, she suffocated, she put her in a bag and they put her in the swamp. that's what they wanted the jury to believe but this juror says that the duct tape, you know, was not physically still on the mouth because of decomposition and there was no d.n.a. they just couldn't even get to murder. >> deny and get rid of it. you don't look about it, don't think about it, it doesn't exist. >> covering up a murder, that's what the prosecution said. >> they're covering up something. it's not proven that it's a murder. they're covering up something, either an accident. nobody knows what it is. >> i'm going to press you on this. >> go for it. >> duct tape on a baby in a bag rotting in the woods. most people look at that and they put two and two together and say that's a murder. >> well, in our country, unfortunately, we have to prove it. we can't just be like yeah, that really looks bad. smells bad, looks bad. i get that, i do. but it's someone else's life and if i'm wrong and i kill someone else, i can't live with that. >> and the point is she didn't need to go to the death penalty. didn't have to be first degree murder, premeditated with the death penalty. it could have been second degree murder. it could have been manslaughter. she went for, this juror was waiting for absolute certitude there was a murder and that casey anthony did it. i mean, it's so crazy she couldn't make that leap and 31 days before reporting it, partying, going to hot body contests, tattooing "the good life" in between before you mention your daughter is missing. geez! >> plus that particular juror bought the defense suggestion that caylee anthony died in an accident of some sort. despite the -- despite the duct tape which gretch, you talked to jeff ashton about a minute ago. >> i'd always said that if someone could look at the photographs of how she was found, the duct tape, where it was and i know most people didn't get to see it in an unblurred way which is good, you know, but, you know, it said something to me. and obviously, it didn't to them and that's the jury system. medically, you couldn't tell that the tape killed her because the tape wasn't on flesh and, you know. but that doesn't mean that by putting the pieces together, you couldn't come to that conclusion. the jury didn't. >> important point that we should say about that one particular juror that we've been hearing from is that she said she felt sick to her stomach and that the jury was crying after the verdict came in because -- just because they found casey anthony not guilty did not believe -- they did not believe she was innocent. they just believed that the prosecution never proved murder. so it's an important clarification. >> but there is no gray area. it's guilty or not guilty and in this case, not guilty equals innocent. >> well, it -- >> right. meanwhile, part of the story is that she did not notify authorities and tell anybody that her daughter was missing for, what, a month. now, there's a state representative by the name of bill hagger, a republican from boca, he's introducing a bill calling it caylee's bill that would make it a felony for a parent or guardian to fail to report a missing child in a timely manner. here's what he said. what we witnessed in the case of caylee anthony was truly tragic. placing a law on the books to require parents or guardians to report children in significant danger in a timely manner will ensure that parents are held accountable for their actions. >> hard to believe that wasn't already on the books. hard to believe that this case is now what's prompting lawmakers to think about that. >> yeah, more on this a little later on. meanwhile this morning, president obama is going to meet with congressional leaders, the people who work in that building to work out a deal on the debt ceiling. eric? >> mr. peter doocy is live in d.c. with the details. give it to us. this stuff is breaking by the minute, is it not, peter? >> it is, eric and later on today, the president is going to suggest a $4 trillion deficit reduction over the next 10 to 12 years. instead, it's a $2 to $2 1/2 trillion he had been floating before. to get the g.o.p. on board, social security and medicare reform are going to be discussed and the administration admits that some of these cuts are going to hurt. >> we need to look at entitlements and we have to say how do we protect and preserve medicare and social security for not just this generation but also future generations and that's going to require some modifications even as we maintain its basic structure. so what i'm hoping to see over the next couple of weeks is people put their dogmas aside, their sacred cows aside. >> today's white house meeting is going to have the president, vice president, speaker boehner, senate leaders from both parties, reid and mcconnell, house speakers from both sides, pelosi and cantor and the senate whips from both side, durbin and kyle. senator kyle says republicans have agreed to up to $200 billion in new revenue and leader cantor says that republicans mostly want to prevent new taxes despite what the president has said about their support of corporate tax loopholes. >> we're for simplification. and frankly, you know, those loopholes, they account for about $3 billion in savings over 10 years when what we're trying to do is accomplish over $2 trillion in savings. again, it shows you the president is just off the mark here and i'm hopeful that when we go into those discussions at the white house tomorrow, we can actually get some work done finally and deliver on the results. >> so if a deal is going to be made, republicans might need to let some tax breaks for the wealthy expire next year but democrats are going to need to give up some ground on government benefits and it looks like some of that might be happening but we'll see more so stay tuned. >> all right. peter doocy, thanks very much for the report. >> drama. >> coming up later this hour, we'll talk with congressman eric cantor about today's meetings. he'll be one of those in attendance. >> that's going to be great. i want to hear what he has to say. >> no kidding. bringing it? >> remember this back in 2009, the president of the united states authorized the defunding of acorn after that embarrassment, that hidden camera stuff that showed a lot of shady stuff is going on there. under the funding deal, acorn is not supposed to receive any federal money and yet, it has been discovered that they are getting dough from uncle sam. >> say it isn't so. i guess some people would say after they thought there was a lot of corruption going on in 2008 but there's the check. $79,819 in a grant to the acorn housing group. it's an offshoot of acorn called affordable housing centers of america so maybe that's how they can disguise it a little bit better. >> we need to point out, acorn was defunded by congress because of several scandals. not just -- not just the undercover thing where there was a 2008 voter fraud scandal and there was a 2009 embezzlement scandal by the founder's brother so they had a long history. look, congress defunded them. now, there's -- by the way, should we call them b corn now and continue to pay? we're broke, we need to stop doing things like this. >> right and the gao came out with an opinion last year that said they considered this offshoot completely separate even though it's the same people in the same places now getting the same kind of money. >> we'll let you ruminate on this story as we tell you what's coming up. should casey anthony be able to turn her pariah status into big profit? next a man who knows the law inside and out. he's trying to stop scott peterson from making money off his dead wife. >> just when you thought the tsa was too involved in your business, airport security may be getting more personal. brace yourself for a body 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peterson from profitting off his heinous crime. good to see you, mr. stewart. >> good morning, gretchen. >> i guess the big difference between the scott peterson case and casey anthony is that scott peterson cannot profit because he was actually convicted? >> that's a huge difference, yes, absolutely. scott was convicted first-degree murder with special circumstances. the law in california allows us to go after any potential profits up to 10 years after he were to be paroled or released so we certainly have plenty of time. we tried to put procedures in place to prevent that before conviction but at the trial court level, a judge was not -- not in agreement. >> so in this case with casey anthony now that she's been found not guilty at least of murder or manslaughter, she will be able to profit because some of these deals coming out now are saying even a million bucks to get her interviewed. >> it's completely insane. yeah, she's been acquitted of the charges, if in fact she walked in tomorrow and said i did it, i was responsible for the death of my daughter, she can't be charged again or tried again and she can go out as we would all expect in her certain financial circumstances, she's going to sign some very lucrative deals for movies, for books, media rights, memorabilia, anything that she would like and she's not going to be able to find an ordinary job where she can go out there and work in mainstream society. >> let's take a look at one of her jailhouse letters. this is where she divulges maybe some of what she hopes to do. she describes this. a partial memoir, comedy, relationship advice book for those not in the know. it's a way to settle many rumors and to share my insight about love, life and most important, god. i don't know. it's kind of macabre, i guess people would buy that? >> there's certainly an overwhelming interest in that type of material whether it was in florida or out here in california, people would want to hear one thing, what she has to say. we weren't provided that opportunity at the trial so if she's going to put it in a book, she certainly is wanting to be paid for that. >> ok, so real quickly before you go, if there was a wrongful death suit filed against her, i'm not sure by whom, and that case was won, would those people then be entitled to the profits that she might make? >> excellent point, gretchen. exactly what happened in the o.j. simpson case. acquitted on murder charges. civil judgment in the civil case by the goldman family. they have been able over the years to capture profits and proceeds from all sorts of endeavors that mr. simpson has engaged in. >> it's my understanding they haven't gotten that much of the $33 million that they might have been owed. adam stewart, very interesting topic. thanks so much for joining us from california. >> thank you very much, gretchen. >> the mainstream media hyped those missing e-mails from governor sarah palin's file. remember? what was she trying to hide? today we 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"twilight" actor taylor lawsuiter in having a little fun with the nfl lockout in a new take on the classic movie "field of dreams." >> if you build it, they will come. >> build what, who will come? >> the voices didn't say. any time, you know you're welcome here. are you a ghost? >> i had to walk two miles through a cornfield. let's play some football! >> wait. >> kevin costner and ray liota from the original "field of dreams" make appearances in the funnyordie.com video. >> in some of the background, you can see some mountains. i don't remember those mountains being in iowa. >> i don't either having grown up in minnesota where everything was pretty flat except the corn. that's pretty funny. let's tell you about the other stories making headlines right now because governor rick perry defying calls from the white house to stop the execution of a convicted killer in his state, texas. mexican national humberto garcia expected to be put to death for killing and raping a teenager. but president obama is asking for a supreme court to stop it. he says his rights were violated because the vienna convention allows foreign nationals to be able to contact their consulates when arrested in another country. >> a warning to visitors at yellowstone national park after a gruesome attack. a grizzly bear killed a man while his wife watched unable to stop what was happening. >> some other hikers on the trail heard the woman's cries for help and they called 911 which summoned the rangers. >> park officials say the bear likely felt threatened by the couple and was trying to protect her cubs. this is the third attack in the yellowstone region in over a year. >> kidnapped victim jaycee dugard releasing excerpts from her upcoming memoir to "people" magazine. she details her 18 years in captivity at the hands of phillip and nancy gurido and she describes her disturbing first days with the kidnappers writing "he reminds me of the dogs outside that don't like trespassers and says to them i would be a trespasser. he says he has to put handcuffs on me but that they have fur on them so they won't hurt too much. then he's gone." dugard and her two daughters were finally rescued and reunited with dugard's mother. >> much anticipated last batch of sarah palin's e-mails have finally been released. what do they actually reveal about the former alaska governor? absolutely nothing, nada. you remember several news organizations demanded seeing the e-mails after they were left out of an earlier release. sarah palin is a fox news contributor. >> this kitten was thrown out of a moving car and it survived. it happened on the very busy verrazano bridge in new york city. an animal control officer happened to be driving by when he saw a hand tossing a cat out the window. now the kitten is healing at an animal shelter where it will be put up for adoption. >> and thousands of new laws are signed on to the books every single year. now, a recent report claims it's costing us more than ever according to the small business administration, federal regulation, get this, costs us $1.75 trillion per year. that would be nice to say. >> a lot of money. >> how can we cut down on government overregulation? two guys who have been around washington for a long time have an answer. >> former democratic senator evan bayh and former white house chief of staff andy card is trying to raise aware not. andy card has taken a new position with the bush center. >> i'm actually at texas a&m and the bush school for the first president bush. >> gotcha. >> thank you for the clarification. my apologies for that mistake. >> thank you. >> let's get to what appears to be a bipartisan effort by the two of you which is coming together to stop some of this overregulation. let me start with you, senator. you believe that the overregulation has stunted the growth of the economy. correct? >> well, there's no question when you talk to small businessmen and women that the cost of complying with so many different regulations is one of the things that's holding back job creation and so, look, there's a role for reasonable regulation. we all know that. but at this moment in time, when the economy is struggling and in particularly when we have foreign competitors, we need to make sure it doesn't go too far. yes, it plays a role in holding back the economy. >> indeed. andy, i was reading a release from the u.s. chamber of commerce, they say that since this president has taken office, regulations have been implemented at a rate of about 50% higher than his predecessor who was a guy you worked for as well. but, you know, i've heard him talk about -- the president talk about how important it is to get regulation under control. is this an administration that might talk the talk but doesn't walk the walk? >> well, we've talked about taking a look at old regulations to see which ones may be outdated. but they -- they exempted taking a look at all the regulations that are in the pipeline that are coming on line and we have more regulations coming on line than in the history of our country between health care regulations, financial service regulations, e.p.a. regulations, labor regulations, really the burden -- the overhang burden on the economy right now of uncertainty over regulations is almost as bad as the regulations themselves. >> senator, the republicans today or late last night released a statement saying they would be willing to raise fees and royalties and use that as their part towards, i guess, reducing the debt. what do you think that? doesn't that just add to the number that we just pointed out, $1.75 trillion. won't that number just keep going north if they do, in fact, do that? >> well, it can to be sure. some fees and other expenses are just the same as a tax and can be passed on to consumers or stunt job growth. others aren't quite as onerous. it depends on what they're talking about. clearly, the focus needs to be on spending reductions, spending restraint. a little bit like they're doing in the u.k. where they've got a tremendous deficit they're coming to grips with. there, they've decided the right mix is about 75% spending cuts and the rest on revenues so to answer your question directly, though, sure, of course there can be a burden on the economy. that's why you need to look at spending first. >> let's look at some of the numbers. we all know that you have to have some regulations. if you look at the numbers from 2008 to 2010 alone, here's what regulation apparently cost our economy. $10.5 billion in 2008. $12 billion in 2009. $26.5 billion in 2010. how did we get that high? >> i'll tell you, it's unbelievable how many regulations are coming on line, too, because those costs are only going to go up for the small business. right now, fewer small business are employing fewer than 20 people, it's estimated that the cost of regulatory burdens today is $10,000 per employee so that makes it very difficult for a small businessman to grow a business and to hire people he actually takes a look at hiring someone and realize he's going to have increased costs because of the regulations that are poured on his company and how he has to do his business. i also want to make sure that our regulations don't burden us in terms of being able to compete with the rest of the world. we don't have a closed economy. we have to compete with the rest of the world and the regulatory burden of the united states is going so onerous, it's going to be very difficult for us to really be truly competitive with our competitors around the world. >> all right. well, i know you two guys are taking this show on the road trying to convince people of your case. andy card, got a new job at george herbert walker bush library at texas a&m and evan bayh, former senator, thank you very much for joining us live. both of you guys. >> thank you. >> thank you. >> all right. despite what deemed damning evidence, both o.j. simpson and casey anthony went free. is it the jurors' fault or a faulty judicial system? bob massey launched his career during the simpson trial and joins us next. >> and then president obama calls congressional leaders to the white house. but majority leader eric cantor will sit down here on "fox & friends" first. he walked out on the debt talks before. he's not going to walk out on us. wha what's going to happen at that meeting with the president? [ grunts ] [ male announcer ] built like a volkswagen. the 2011 tigua [ grunts ] >> all right, some quick headlines from the control room for you. attorney general eric holder being accused of blocking the congressional investigation into controversial fast and furious gun tracking program that allowed weapons into the hands of mexican drug cartels. ken melson, the acting director of the atf says holder has tried to muzzle his testimony. >> and the tsa may have to increase the power of body scanners used at our airports. that's because there's a new government warning that terrorists may be planning to surgically implant bombs inside their bodies. the starnndards used now aren't strong enough to detect objects inside. over to you, eric. >> thanks, steve. you're looking live outside the orange county courthouse where in just over an hour, casey anthony may be set free from prison, a shocking not guilty verdict in her murder trial is sparking comparisons to another famous trial, that of o.j. simpson in 1996. a jury acquitted the ex-football star of murdering his ex-wife and her boyfriend. but do the two trials really have that much in common? bob massey joins us live from vegas. tell us about the similarities and differences we all know one is a football star and one was a young lady from central florida. but aren't they both the same? we had shocking, shocking outcomes from two trials that looked like they were slam dunk cases. >> eric, first, i want to congratulate you on your new show. i wish you the best. i'm so happy for you. god bless you. >> thank you so much. >> i would like to say this. yes, they were circumstantial. yes, the forensics were a very big part of what occurred in this but, of course, what made it more dramatic is we're dealing and no disrespect to those who were murdered in 1995-1996 time period, we have a 2-year-old child and so much has changed with court tv, you know, the cameras in the courtroom and covering these kinds of cases. the forensics, the forensics, the forensics and as i've said before in some other interviews that when you have science, they are the other witness in the courtroom and that's what failed in this particular case. >> talk about that a little bit. a lot of people are saying because the science has become so important that jurors are now looking for, forget reasonable doubt, exceeding reasonable doubt, they're looking for absolute certitude, are we in a case where absolute certitude is the only way to convict a mur r murderer? >> the way we have to look at it is once any lawyer on either side does bring forensics into the courtroom, they live and die by that particular evidence. not that other evidence is not important. certainly it is. i mentioned the other day that when you have a coroner, for example, eric that has no axe to grind, not being paid by anybody. state employee. comes in and they ask him about cause of death, then you have to say to yourself, if he can't connect it, why would you then put that burden on a jury to become the expert for the district attorney's office to try to prove the case? >> because, bob, you know, i talked to jeff ashton on the way out of here, there are cases where murderers are convicted without even a body. so certainly there's no cause of death in those cases, so it's inconsistent. >> well, it is. but i think what it shows you is that many times while you can't predict what a jury looks to, i've tried cases for 30 years on the civil side, eric and i'll tell you something, man, you can never predict what 12 people are going to hang their hat on. it is the way that the system works. it's the gamble that you take when you walk through the courtroom doors and mr. ashton has been absolutely first class in addressing this issue. he did a phenomenal job but i think even in his tone, he has admitted this was a tough case because of those issues. and you know what? they still went for it all. you can't fault a man. a lot of people have said they've overcharged him. i don't think that's fair. this guy has been in business for 30 years. they thought they had it and they lost the case. >> before we let you go, the jury system, is it still working or is it broke? quickly. >> no, it's working. listen, people get convicted every day in this country and people walk out of the courtroom every day in this country right, wrong or indifferent. it's the greatest system. it's a tough system but it's a great system. >> that's bob massi, thank you very much our friend. we'll return to our regular coverage of the housing market when he rejoins us in two weeks. eric cantor headed to the white house to consider a deal on the debt, he's walked out of these talks before. will today be any different? the house majority leader right here next. but first on this day in history in 1898, the u.s. annexed hawaii. in 1930, work began on the hoover dam. and in 1964, the beach boys had the number one hit. 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are you now going to give the president what he wants and give him those taxes? >> listen, you know, the president talks about these corporate jet owners and that is a priority for him. let's put into perspective what we're talking about. we've identified over $2 trillion in cuts that i believe both sides can wrap their arms around. and it is those and that amount that i think is relevant. when you're talking about the jet owners, it's $3 billion vs. over $2 trillion so i said to the president yesterday, first of all, insinuating that that's what's holding the deal up is not the case. so if it's such a priority for the president to go after corporate jet owners, you know, if he wants to talk about loopholes, we don't like loopholes and preferences, it's not good for overall economic growth. we want to bring down rates and reform the system. if he wants to plug that loophole, we got to see offsetting tax cuts somewhere else because the priority is jobs. it's about getting people back to work and we're not for raising taxes, period. >> let me go down this list, then, so would you be willing to give the corporate jet owners, would you be willing to get rid of that tax break? what about the oil and gas companies? >> again, i haven't really seen exactly what the president is talking about. but at the end of the day, his talking points is going after the billionaires, millionaires and what have you. again, if you look at what he's talking about, it is the same argument that we had last november when we had the election and that is that he and his party want to raise taxes on small businesspeople in this country right now and that's something that doesn't make sense when we're trying to get people back to work. >> i think republicans probably feel like they're in a bit of a bind, though, right? after the midterm election, one of the things that that election said to the american people and to members of congress was we put you in there because we actually agree with what you just said. no new taxes. so does that put you in a bind, then, if you even just move a little bit? >> no, what it is, gretchen, it's very -- i believe a very sensible position right now. we're not for any net new revenues right now. what we want to focus on is getting people back to work, growing this economy. that's how you increase revenues in this country is you grow and grow the economy. and right now, we've got a situation in washington where taxpayer dollars are not being spent efficiently. i think most people get that. why would he want to throw good money after bad when you have to first fix the system. >> ok, i only have 20 seconds, but i want to get in a report out this morning that the president may be willing to cut social security entitlements, a huge part of this picture. is that heartening to you? 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"fox & friends" starts right now. >> steve: welcome aboard as i try to discreetly hide my coffee on this coffee ledge. you're looking live at the orange county courthouse in orlando where casey anthony is set to be sentenced in less than an hour. she could walk free if the judge decides that the nearly three years time served is enough punishment. coming up in a couple of minute, casey anthony's aunt will join us live. she is very upset about the fact that casey could walk later today and the verdict in general. >> gretchen: the reason being is because apparently those four counts she was found guilty to lying to a police officer, they each come with one year of prison time. max. so she's already been in three, so i guess the judge had the option of giving her another year potentially? >> eric: even less, seven or eight months, if she gets the maximum. by, who knows? >> steve: it's interesting, george and cindy anthony will be in the courtroom at the time and by the way, we'll put up a countdown clock so you know how soon the sentencing will be. according to their attorney, the anthonyss' attorney, they believe she'll wind up with another seven months. she may not walk free later this morning. stick here to fox. you'll see it all live. >> gretchen: your headlines for thursday. we start with a fox news alert. the roof of a stadium in the netherlands collapsed and there are at least 12 people trapped under the rubble. one of them has died. these pictures, just in, the stadium was undergoing a renovation when part of the roof caved n. at least five other workers are said to be hurt. helicopter crash at camp pendleton, california left one marine dead and five others hurt. it crashed during a training exercise there. the marine corps has not said how badly the injured marines are hurt, but were all taken to the hospital. we do not know the identity of the marine who died. the helicopter was a super hewe. expected to cost thousands of dollars now to clean up the layers of dirt left behind in the phoenix area after that 100-mile wide dust cloud engulfed the city. many residents still without power thanks to a number of downed power lines. look at this time lapse of the storm. visibility dropped to zip in some areas when the cloud hit. take a close look at this. that's an illegal immigrant caught on camera climbing the border fence between mexico and el paso, texas. a fox news viewer snapped this photo of the man scaling the 21-foot high wall. he tried to get away on a bike, but u.s. border patrol agents nabbed him. those are your headlines. >> steve: all right. meanwhile, let's talk a little bit about the casey anthony sentencing that's going to happen just about 57 minutes from right now. in an off camera interview, apparently the attorney for george and cindy anthony, he said that apparently they are expecting perhaps she'll wind up with another seven months. so far casey anthony has served 997 days in that particular jail. will she walk free today? probably not. but you don't know for sure, so stick to fox and july find out live. >> gretchen: it was interesting, it will be interesting to see how those parents of casey anthony react in the courtroom today because as you recall from the verdict, they both immediately stood up, seemed to be emotionless, and walked out. so what are they thinking? what are they thinking right now? they appeared to not really like the verdict, but keep in mind, there were a lot of accusations lobbed especially at the father during this whole situation. so if casey anthony will walk free, what will the relationship be like between casey and her parents and her brother? >> eric: a lot of people saw -- what you're looking at, the couple getting up and leaving right after the verdict and they said, they must be upset with what's going on. but no, turns out we've learned that they were told to get up immediately after the verdict one way or the other and walk out. i guess for their safety. >> steve: apparently they're going to be filing some sort of a grievance against jose baez, casey anthony's attorney, against him with the bar for lying. remember, george anthony was accused of being a child molester and molesting his daughter. meanwhile, people are still talking about why exactly did that jury find her not guilty on the charges of killing her daughter? juror number 3, jennifer ford, 23-year-old college student at st. petersburg college, has spoken out and what she says is very, very interesting. listen. >> there wasn't enough evidence, there wasn't anything strong enough to say exactly -- i don't think anyone in america could tell us exactly how she died. if you put even the 12 jurors in one room with a piece of paper, write down how she died, nobody knows. >> so it's cause of death that was a problem? >> how can you punish someone for something if you don't know what they did? they didn't even paint a picture for me to consider. there were quite a few people who we we got back after the verdict was read were in tears. >> why were you crying after you handed down a not guilty verdict? >> not guilty doesn't mean innocent. it doesn't mean innocent. >> how do you feel about that, that you may have let a woman who murdered her own daughter walk off that room? >> it was a horrible decision to have to make. but i had to do it based on the law. >> gretchen: joining us is casey's aunt, pamela. good to see you. >> good to see you. >> gretchen: you got to wonder after listening to that juror, whether or not people who kill people now and dispose of them and the body isn't found for some time and there is not enough evidence of dna, you got to wonder if that's going to be the new standard, that they're going to walk free. is that what you thought about in this case? >> i thought that it was as clear cut of a circumstance that you could possibly think of and i don't know what else you would need to connect the dots. >> steve: you're furious? >> i believe that it's not only a tragedy, it's a travesty. >> steve: what's your message to the jurors who made this determination? >> i don't presume to chastise any of the jurors. i wasn't in the room with them, but i think that this is not a good decision. i think like a lot of other people, we've watched way too much csi and we expect something to jump out of a bag and say, hey, she did it. all i know is that i have several pets. if i lost my dog, which i have, i'd be looking for that dog for the next three months. i wouldn't be out partying. i don't understand it. >> eric: tell us about your relationship with casey. what do you think of her? >> i really cannot speak on that. i have probably not seen casey since she was maybe nine or ten years old and as a child, a very lovely, quiet little girl. your average thing. i was completely stunned by this when it came on the news. >> gretchen: but you had been in contact with cindy, her mom. correct? >> no. not cindy. i have been in contact with my ex mother-in-law, cindy's mother. >> gretchen: okay. so during this trial, what was she telling you? >> initially i believe that she felt that casey was definitely guilty. i mean, how could you not? she's the last one to see the child? >> steve: sure. >> gretchen: the interesting thing was, pam, is that the mom in this case, cindy, apparently appeared to lie on the stand when she said she did those computer searches for the chloroform and not her daughter. so it appeared like she was trying to cover for her. s that your take? >> yes. thank god i would never be in a position like they have been in a position, so i don't know what i would do. but i think that it's certainly a mixed up mess and i think she, at the beginning, was telling the truth and towards the end, not. >> steve: what about the allegation -- that was never proven, we should point out, that george anthony, molested her, abused her? >> i don't believe that at all. i think that that is part of this whole ugly mess that people's lives have been trashed and changed forever because of things that the defense have said. i feel very, very bad for people like jesse grund and george and especially lee. i feel really bad for these people. >> gretchen: her brother. >> eric: take a listen to this. stay with us and take a listen to this. this is one of the jurors, what they saw, what they felt about george anthony. take a listen. >> it did not help the state's case? >> why? >> because he was clearly dishonest. >> how? >> well, he was evasive, number one. his story seemed to change depending on, like they said, initially he was on the defense's side, so he would fight with mr. ashton, not give straight answers. but then he switched to the prosecution side and then now he won't give the defense straight answers. it's all, what do you mean? can you ask the question again? and like clearly you can follow a logical conversation and respond, like he acted like he couldn't understand what was going on and it was -- it was clear to me that he was just being difficult. he didn't want to answer questions and if it didn't help the prosecution's case, he was going to try and -- i don't recall. >> eric: what would you say to that juror right there? >> i would say that george anthony shouldn't have been the one on trial here. he's not the one with the care of the child. i think it was pretty plain that they focused all their energy, thanks to the defense team, on the wrong person. >> gretchen: one of your fears is that they're going to profit from this, the family. right? >> absolutely. absolutely. and i hope that they take any of the profits that they may earn on this from a book deal, movie deal, and should go to a fund having to do with caylee. i believe that there is something on the internet right now about reporting your child within 48 hours of missing or having it be a felony. let's push this law. i mean, not profit from it. and shame on any company or movie theater, anything that shows anything on this that is profit for them. >> steve: there is a story out there this morning, pamela, that somebody may have already offered her $5 million -- $3 million for a book deal. pamela, casey anthony's aunt, we thank you very much for joining us live from cleveland, ohio. >> thank you. >> gretchen: coming up on the show, police ambushed in a fire fight literally. cracks fight back with firewood? are you kidding me? >> eric: republicans taking a hard line on tax hikes, sakes no way, no how. so how will the president respond today? does he have any other options? 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[ male announcer ] ask your doctor about cymbalta. imagine you, with less pain. cymbalta can help. go to cymbalta.com to learn about a free trial offer. >> gretchen: will it be a deal or no deal? president obama and top u.s. lawmakers from both parties meeting at the white house later today to see if they can reach an agreement on the debt ceiling. >> eric: but earlier this week, the white house press secretary, jay carney, sounded like he already knew what the american people wanted. >> americans are not like i demand this, i draw the red line here and i draw this in the sand, they just want us to get something done that's sensible, that spreads the sacrifice and spreads the prosperity. >> eric: a deal that spreads the prosperity one that can help fix the economy? let's ask wisconsin congressman paul ryan, chairman of the house budget committee. boy, i would love to be a fly on the wall of those meetings today. is it all depending on you guys, the gop, moving on your platform of no more taxes? >> good morning, by the way. first of all, i still think we've got a ways to go here. i don't think you're going to see some big bargain hatched today. first of all, spending is the problem. we have yet to nail down all the kinds of spending cuts we're talking about. i think the second part of the story that is not getting covered these days is that there is already huge tax increases scheduled to occur in current law. in 2013, a massive wave of tax increases, because of the president's health care law, because of the lame duck tax bill he signed, are scheduled to hit small businesses and families in 2013. that's putting a chilling effect on economic growth today. so you already have tax increases coming. let's not forget that fact. so what we're simply saying is, we got to cut spending. and for every dollar of debt limit increase the president wants, we need to cut more than a dollar's worth of spending. we put out our budget to do that. tomorrow marks the 800th day since the senate bothered to try to even pass a budget. we have no budget process here and the reason you're having all this coverage here is because the only game left in town to cut spending and get this deficit under control is the debt limit. >> gretchen: exactly. congressman, many people know you're good at math because you put together the whole gop budget plan. but people might not know you are good at a dual. yesterday you tweeted that you wanted to have a dual with the president. >> gretchen: a challenge. that's my word. you said, fear mongering won't solve our debt crisis. americans deserve a real debate. you pick when and where. did he tweet you back? >> no. i don't think he tweets. >> gretchen: okay. did he give you a response at all? >> no. i'm doing actually a facebook town hall tonight. go to prosperitypac.com. i'm doing it to answer these questions that have not been answered. i think the nation deserves an honest debate about its future, what are we going to cut spending, pay off our debt and get this deficit off our backs and grow the economy? you don't do that by taxing people, let alone by taxing the successful small businesses which is most of our jobs come from. unfortunately, that's not being talked about. we're in favor of tax reform, getting rid of loopholes to lower everybody's tax rate, to have a mar fairer tax system and one that creates job growth. we're not interested in just raising taxes for the sake of raising taxes and more importantly, raising them on successful small businesses which is where most of the jobs come from. >> gretchen: at 10:00 a.m. today, you have a house budget committee hearing called budgeting for america's national security. let's face it, congressman, one of the things being talked about is cut the spending at the pentagon. is that what you're going to discuss today? >> it is. the democrats asked for this hearing. i was happy to oblige. in the majority, you have to work with the minority and accommodate their issues. and the ranking member asked me for this hearing. happy to oblige. we'll have a good debate and good discussion in the budget committee about the pentagon budget. we'll have all sides. >> eric: congressman, thank you very much for all your hard work on this really, really extremely important issue. thank you very much. congressman paul ryan. thank you. >> thank you. >> gretchen: nearly 200 teachers caught cheating, changing their students' grades and putting money in their own pockets? now word they're not going to face any charges. the superintendent of that district here live to respond next. >> eric: just when you thought the tsa was too involved in your business, airport security checks about to get even more personal. prepare yourself for body bomb exams. itional science comes centrum. with vitami and merals balanced to support your energy... ♪ ...immune function... ♪ ...healthy skin... and help protect your cells from environmental stress. everyday benefits from advanced formulas. the complete benefits of centrum. and if you're over 50, discer the age-adjusted benefits of centrum silver. inside all of us is a compass and it always points true north. toward mountains of sand. townew sights and sensations. toward the true bounty of nure so let's set our compass for traverse city and find ourselves. in the magic, and the moments of pure michigan. your trip begins at michigan.org. >> gretchen: couple headlines at 23 minutes past the hour. the search for seven missing u.s. tourists extended beyond the standard 96 hours. the families of those fishermen hanging on to hope they will be found alive. the men vanished four days ago when their boat capsized in the gulf of california. and the royals are coming! the duke and duchess of cambridge arrive in the united states tomorrow. they'll party with celebs like jennifer lopez, nicole kidman and tom hanks. it's kate's first ever trip to america. come across the pond. steve? >> steve: thanks. caught red handed, cheating on tests. we're not talking about the students here. the shocking results of an investigation into atlanta, georgia's public schools reveal 178 teachers and principals either helped kids on standardized tests or changed the answers later. all to make the schools look better and get more federal funding. now many of those teachers involved may not be prosecuted. georgia state school superintendent dr. john barge joins us right now from denver, colorado. good morning to you, dr. barge. >> good morning, thanks for having me. >> steve: it was a little suspicious when investigators looked at all these test scores and realized, hey, how come so many of them have been erased? >> absolutely. and i think if you've read the report, it was fairly widespread. >> steve: yeah. so teachers and principals erased incorrect answer, put in correct answers because there is a lot of money at stake, isn't there? >> well, in this particular school system, they did have a reward system set up. so whereby if teachers improved scores for their students, then they had the potential to earn bonuses. but also administrators and to my knowledge, even the superintendent at the time, had some additional rewards coming for raising student achievement. >> steve: the superintendent at the time, superintendent beverly hall, there is a story in the atlanta journal constitution this morning that says she and top aides destroyed complaints of misconduct from all sorts of people who said, hey, look, there is a lot of cheating going on there. apparently there had been whistle blowers out there for a while, and nothing happened with that. where is she now? >> well, to my knowledge, she retired and within the last few weeks. it's just so unfortunate that this all boils down to leadership and when you have leadership that is sweeping things under the rug, destroying complaints, it's very frustrating as an educational leader, to have to deal with the negative impact of poor leadership. >> steve: well, her attorney said this: not one of the 82 persons who allegedly confessed to cheating told the investigators that dr. hall at the time instructed, encouraged or condoned cheating. the report's conclusion, that dr. hall actually knew of any such cheating is based on supposition. we reaffirm the position that she most definitely did not know of any widespread cheating. but the cheating was widespread, doctor, and it lasted for years. is there a possibility somebody can go to jail? >> there is. in georgia, our educators sign a code of ethics and they have the potential to face charges for falsifying those documents. that will be up to, though, the district attorneys in about three different judicial areas where some of this activity took place. >> steve: i would imagine for a number of those teachers involved, their union, the nea, will mount a defense on their behalf? >> well, in georgia, we're a union-free state. so we do not deal with teacher unions. in that respect, we're good there. but we have a couple of educator associations that do help teachers and they may be involved, but quite honestly, i've seen some statements by them and they are as appalled as the general public is at the behavior of some of the folks in the school system. >> steve: that's good to know. it's good they're finally getting to the bottom of those suddenly high scores down there. dr. barge, georgia state school superintendent, thank you for joining us live. >> thank you very much. >> steve: what a story. meanwhile, brand-new jobless numbers just moments away. will they take another hit? fox news alert after the break. then crooks fight back using fire power, launching fireworks at police. then as you can see from the countdown clock, we're just about 31 minutes away from casey anthony's sentencing. could the accused killer go free today? we will take you live to the courthouse shortly. 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>> eric: 350, you start to create jobs in the economy. 300,000, you're creating enough jobs and at 2, 250,000, it's a robust economy. >> gretchen: you can tell i've been listening when you come? >> eric: thank you for listening. >> gretchen: i thought 350 was that number. >> steve: during the summer, shouldn't that number be higher, traditionally? >> eric: we look at it on a four-week moving average for a trend, and the trend has been 420, 415, it's very, very elevated. again, tomorrow morning at 8:30, the bureau of labor statistics is going to come out with the unemployment number, the 9.1, we'll see where that goes. but the economy needs to create 215,000 jobs per month in order to get to only 8% rate by election. >> steve: big hill. >> gretchen: with a may job numbers, that was what they called a blip. remember? >> eric: a bump in the road. >> gretchen: now we have to see what june will say. these twitter town halls are popping up all over the place. the president did one yesterday. you heard congressman paul ryan said he's doing a facebook one. so the president was pitted against john boehner, the speaker of the house, when it came to jobs. look at this tweet. >> our next question comes from someone you may know. this is speaker boehner. >> there you go. >> after embarking on a record spending binge that left us deeper in debt, where are the jobs? and then on a note that these characters are his fault -- not his fault. >> john needs to work on his typing skills. well, look, obviously john is the speaker of the house, who is a republican, and so this is a slightly skewed question. >> eric: answer the question, though! don't laugh it off! it reminds me of when -- that panel saying, those shovel ready jobs, i guess they weren't so shovel ready. >> gretchen: it's also not a partisan questions. democrats are asking where the jobs are. everyone is asking that. >> steve: and to the surprise of the white house, while he accused john boehner of having a typo there, john boehner was able to prove that when the tweet left his office, it was clean, the error was at the white house. but the president did answer the question kind of and once again, the president blamed george bush. listen. >> we have not seen fast enough job growth relative to the needs. i mean, we lost, as i said, 4 million jobs before i took office, before i was sworn in, about 4 million jobs were lost in the few months right after i took office before our economic policies had a chance to take any effect. and over the last 15 months, we've actually seen 2 million jobs created in the private sector. >> steve: so he blamed george bush. interestingly enough, it wasn't only the speaker who asked that question, the afl-cio tweeted. >> eric: that was a softball game. i heard harder questions on the miss america pageant. >> gretchen: excuse me! >> eric: oops. all right, miss universe contest. >> gretchen: casey anthony about 20 minutes away from being sentenced in orlando. protesters already gathering and showing anger at the jury. phil keating is live outside the orange county courthouse with much more. phil, you been there for the duration and here we have it. probably the time day. right? >> yeah, the final moment here, the sentencing hearing for 25-year-old casey anthony. above me, the news helicopters are hovering, broadcasting live images. lot of people, spectators, protesters, demonstrators, all gathered outside. everybody waiting for 9:00 a.m. to arrive. that is when casey anthony is going to learn from judge perry whether she gets more additional time behind bars or whether she, in fact, walks free sometime later today. if that is going to be the outcome, she'll be taken back to the orange county jail, processed and released. most likely the sheriff's department will usher her to an undisclosed third location. we're setting up -- at the courthouse, they were setting up barricades for crowd control in the event of this possibility. however, this judge has been very much letter to the law, hard line judge during this entire past two months. just for this trial, he has very quickly whipped out stiff fines and stiff jail terms where people just for the crime of contempt of court. now you've got potentially four years she could be sentenced for the four counts of lying to the cops. she's been in prison for most of three years. a year of that has to go towards the six convictions a year ago, for check fraud, from where she was stealing her girlfriend's money and writing bogus checks during that time and not telling anybody caylee was missing. if the judge takes a super hard line on this, he could still give her about two more years still to serve behind bars somewhere in the state of florida in a prison. so we don't know what the judge is going to do. he is also going to perhaps levy a fine or a bill of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars that casey anthony will be obliged to pay back. it is florida law that you can force the defendant, if they are acquitted and convicted of mixed charges, they can be forced to pay for not only the investigation, but the prosecution of those crimes. that would be lying to police officers, lying to detectives, and she has to pay all of that back, you're looking at hundreds and hundreds of thousands of dollars. the state attorney office was preparing those numbers. and tim miller, the founder of texas equusearch, that great volunteer organization that goes around the country trying to find missing children, he wants to civilly sue her for $112,000 that they spent in the summer of 08 and he says the most regrettable aspect of that, while she was lying about caylee being missing and they're spending 85% of their whole budget on searching for caylee, there were other legitimately missing children elsewhere they had to blow off to focus here in orlando. >> steve: so she potentially faces one big bill, and perhaps she will take that rumored $3 million book deal. thank you very much. we know she'll be sentenced in 20 minutes from right now in orlando and we've got a panel coming up to discuss it up to the top of the hour. the rest of your headlines on this thursday. the tsa may have to increase the power of those body scanners at the airport checkpoints because there is a new government warning that terrorists may be planning to surgically implant bombs inside their bodies of the terrorists and the scanners now being used are not strong enough to detect objects inside of us. just on the outside. the security industry sells more powerful scanners, but the tsa is already coming under fire over the privacy and safety of its current scanners. >> gretchen: president obama, as we've been telling you, will meet with congressional leaders today to work out a deal on the debt ceiling. try to, at least. republicans say they're going to sit down to talk, but they're still saying they're not going to raise taxes. the president says everybody needs to stop playing games. >> the debt ceiling should not be something that is used as a gun against the heads of the american people to extract tax breaks for corporate jet owners. >> if he wants to talk about loopholes, we don't like loopholes and preferences. it's not good for overy'all economic growth. we want to bring down rates and reform the system. >> gretchen: that meeting just 2 1/2 hours away now. we're told house speaker john boehner is working with the president closely, leading up to these talks. but reversing the bush tax cuts not part of any deal right now. eric? >> eric: the heat is son attorney general eric holder. he's being accused of blocking the congressional investigation into the controversial fast and furious gun trafficking program that allowed weapons into the hands of mexican drug cartels. the acting director of the atf says holder has tried to muzzle his testimony. steve, this one is growing by the minute. >> steve: quite an allegation. a fourth of july celebration turns into a near riot when a mob turns on firefighters and police officers, shooting fireworks at the cops and the firemen. it all went down in peoria, illinois. the first responders got a call that a dumpster was on fire. when they got there, they were attacked not with just roman candles, but with commercial grade fireworks. these nitwits pelted them with bottles and rocks. several officers were burned but are expected to be just fine, thankfully. >> gretchen: apparently pays to be angelina jolie and sarah jessica parker. they topped the highest earning actresses, clearing $30 million between may of last year and this year. jennifer aniston and reese witherspoon, hot on the heels, making $28 million apiece. julia roberts rounded out the top five, netting $20 million last year. >> steve: how do you live on that? >> gretchen: good for them. >> steve: it's just 18 minutes before the top of the hour. the jury acquitted her of killing her daughter, but what does the judge think? will he hold the murder charges against her during the sentencing for lying to cops? up next, a lawyer, a judge, and a forensic pathologist break down what we can expect in court moments away. stay tuned. you're watching "fox & friends." m is besabsorbed in small continuous amounts. only one calcium supplement does that in one daily dose. new citracal slow release... continuously releases calcium plus d for the efficient absorption my body needs. citracal. for the effi♪ nt absorption my body needs. ♪ ♪ ♪ introducing purina one beyond a new food for your cat or dog. >> gretchen: taking a live look right now. in a moment outside the orlando courthouse, that's actually inside, where we're minutes away from sentencing for casey anthony. she could be a free woman by this afternoon. our panel this morning, fox news legal analyst, peter johnson, jr., host of "judge alex," and forensic pathologist, dr. michael hunter, here to take us right up to that sentencing. peter, let me start with you because you were bringing up an interesting point about exactly what the judge may be able to do today. what do you think he's going to do? >> i think that he needs to respond to the voices in the community. there has been a real outrage in a lot of sectors with regard to the jury verdict. i always believe that he was bending over backwards in this case in order to secure a conviction. i think it's going to be very difficult for him to withstand public pressure and not comment in a way that is compelling with regard to the conduct of casey anthony. and in the second issue, i think the judge can comment on it because he's an expert on it, is will the acquitted charges be held against casey anthony? she was acquitted of this murder charge. can the judge consider that as they do in federal court, in determining her sentence on these charges? >> eric: what do you think, judge alex? >> no, i don't think judge perry will in any way hold the charges she was acquitted of against her. the thing, though, is i could see him going either way here on whether he gives her a consecutive sentence and maxes her out or concurrent. i can hear him say i can't hold the charges against her, she was acquitted of those and if she lied to police, i would never give her four years in prison, so i'm not doing it now and give her credit time served and she would walk today. on the other hand, i could also see him saying, these lies were not simple lies of i was home when i really wasn't. the lie of saying your daughter was alive cost thousands of volunteers to scour this county, caused untold hours of police effort to find her when you knew she was dead, cost the community millions of dollars and for that, i will give you the maximum sentence. i honestly couldn't dispute with him either way he went. >> eric: judge, that's cindy and george anthony. is there any grounds, any way that he can say, i'm not giving you credit for the three years you've already spent behind bars? >> there is authority that allows the judge to have discretion on the issue of how much credit for time served to give. used to be the law was, you got all credit for time served. didn't matter if you were in on check fraud charges and murder and two separate cases, you got credit for every day you were in jail. since then the law changed and the judge has discretion to either give or not give credit for the time that she served in jail while she was similarly serving time for the check fraud charges. that makes a date hard to pin down. >> gretchen: i want to get dr. hunter in here because we've got to go to a commercial before we come back. but dr. hunter, what do you make now of hearing some of the jurors now that say that they just could never even get to murder? the evidence didn't get them to murder? >> right. i think in this case, the prosecution, they probably overcharged. they really should have focused simply on homicide. tried to build that case block by block to convince that jury that we have a homicidal death and treat it like that, maybe as a manslaughter charge. the push to go for that premeditated act, i simply think that there was no -- there wasn't a whole lot there. you could put holes into everything the prosecution brought forward and even the medical examiner in this case did not go as far as what the prosecution wanted to. the medical examiner did not look in the eye of the jury and say, this is a premeditated act from asphyxia. i think they overcharged it and didn't focus on homicide like they should have. >> steve: the prosecutor, the lead prosecutor was in our studio earlier today, we asked him whether or not he overcharged. we'll play the answer that he gave us on the other side of the quick timeout. 90 minutes away from the sentencing of casey anthony in florida. stay with us. continuing coverage. we'll be right back. takes the r, but also a caring touch. you learn to get a feel for the trouble spots. to know its wants... its needs...its dreams. ♪call 1-800-steemer. aren't getting enough whole grain. but actually, it's never been easier to get the whole grain you want from your favorite big g cereals. from cheerios to lucky charms, there's whole grain in every box. make sure to look for the white check. you know that comes with a private island. really? 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