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university's jackson institute for local affairs. she joins me now. this is back to back days with new witnesses testifying before the january 6th committee. kellyanne conway yesterday, which was somewhat surprising that she hadn't spoken to them. tony ornato had appeared, i think, before the committee before, but he was back for seven hours today. is it striking to you that there's still apparently doing fact finding, you know, this late into the investigation? >> it's not that surprising, given the scope of what they were investigating. but given that they are down to the wire and writing this report, i guess it is, you know, they are still gathering evidence, i guess, even as they're running this report. but i think the people that they're talking to are really important for them to get the full picture. and tony ornato, in particular. i know we focus on the attack in the car, because that sort of crazy pants. but the other part of that, which i think is more important, was the part that trump wanted to join these people at the capitol who were, you know,