good evening. i'm erin burnett. breaking news in the charleston church massacre. the gunman in the mass shooting of nine gunmen attending bible study is in the air flying to south carolina to face charges. going to be land in the next five six minutes. we will show that to you. captured on the run in north carolina 21-year-old dylann roof will be on the ground shortly to be charged. this video, which is just in shows roof in prison stripes, shackled boarding a small plane for the flight back to charleston. also just in to cnn at this moment chilling images of the suspect sitting with church members during their bible study class. moments before he allegedly stood up shooting and killing nine of the 12 people in the room. eight people died on the scene. the ninth, a short time later at the hospital. witnesses telling police that roof said he was in the church to shoot black people and that he told one of the two adult survivors he was spapring her life so she could tell what happened. after the arrest the president felt grief and anger. he had a personal message for the country. >> the fact that this took place in a black church obviously also raises questions about a dark part of our history. this is the not the first time that black churches have been attacked. >> martin savidge begins our coverage in charlton. roof expected to arrive at any moment now. you are learning more about the massacre. >> reporter: he will be here with an hour flight. he will arrive shortly. remarkably almost 24 hours after this terrible saga began here in this community. this was a person that many people say they had no clue of what he was going to do. he is captured in north carolina. police are thankful that at least no more people died in that process. how are you feeling? 21-year-old dylann roof in a bullet proof vest under arrest. the suspect in a horrific mass shooting. the horror unfolded the night before. cameras captured these images of him entering i inging emanuel a.m.e. church. then around 9:00 roof stands up. he announces he is there to shoot black people. and he does. opening fire killing nine people six women and three men. the oldest an 87-year-old woman. all of thechlm african-american. three people survived. a community leader spoke with the relatives of one of the survivors who told them the shooter let her live. >> her life was spared because the shooter said i am not going to shoot you. i'm not going to -- i'm going to let you go because i want you to be able to tell them what happened. >> reporter: as police and first responders closed out the scene, the shooter made his escape. the subject of a manhunt. 10:32 this morning, someone phones police they have spotted a person they think is the suspect. 10:44, a police officer pulls over roof's car in shelby north carolina 250 miles north of charleston. he has a handgun but surrenders without incident. he turned 21 in april. his father gave him a gun for his birthday. after the arrest a moved president obama spoke of his heartache, sadness and anger. he knew one of the victims, the pastor. he said it's time for america to come to grips with gun violence. >> now is the time for mourning and for healing. but let's be clear. at some point we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. >> reporter: with a suspect many custody, residents were left with little to do but come together in grief. ♪ that grief is so palpable tonight. there are many people who continue to be drawn to the church where this horror played out. roof is expected to be transported to jail and there will be a bond hearing. it's possible we would see him then. that's likely to be done over a video link. >> martin savidge, thank you. new individualfootage tonight. it's worth emphasizing here something that in all of this which is impossible to understand is truly impossible to understand that he sat with these people for an hour telling them he wanted to be part of their bible group. before he actually killed the people that he had just had a personal personal connection with. don lemon obtained the video. you see the pastor he murdered right after this. sitting there smiling. you see them they're are downstairs. they are not in pews. they are having this special meeting. >> reporter: you took the words out of my mouth. it's chilling to see how this man ingratiated himself into the members of the church. this is from the feed of one of the victims here tywanza sanders, who is the college graduate. he is taking part of a bible study. recent college graduate of allen unit in south carolina. when you look at the pictures of the pastor we think it could be either the pastor -- pastor clementa pinckney or pastor simmons. it's hard to tell from the pictures. both of them were leading and taking part in the bible study. of course pinckney is the pastor of the church. then the other picture which is really erie. you can see the suspect there dylann roof in the sweatshirt sitting at the edge of the table just moments before he went on a rampage and slaughtered nine people in this terroristic act. now i want to play the video so that you and our viewers can hear it. you and i can talk about it. this is the video from the snapshot. here it is. >> you want to talk more -- >> just talk -- >> yes, yes. >> want to talk a little bit more about -- >> just want to talk -- >> yes, yes. >> just a normal bible study where they are trying to talk about what's in the bible, what's going on. they are trying to get him to learn about god. instead, he is planning this really saytanistic plan. they were trying to help their fellow man when the devil was with them. >> thank you very much. there is something about that video, and you see people trustingly talking about something so important to their faith and someone sitting there about to murder them. the man who posted that video was murdered and killed. an innocent student who just graduated, among those murdered. with each passing hour, we are learning new and disturbing details about dillylann roof. one official calling him very transient. brian todd i know you had a chance to speak to someone who went to high school with roof as people try to understand what could mowtivate someone to do something so horrific to be filled with such hate and to want to kill black people as he said. did this friend fill you in at all on what motivated him? >> reporter: he did a little bit. he talked to us about his experience with dylann roof. this is where dylann roof went to ninth grade where officials told us he had to repeat the ninth grade. he went for half a year after that and went to another high school to finish out the ninth grade. in 2010 in the spring of 2010. the gentleman i spoke to went to high school with dylann roof here at white knoll high school in the ninth grade. i asked hum eded him about any racist tendencies that he might have had at that time. >> he said some jokes before. they weren't too serious. i didn't think of them as serious. >> reporter: what jokes? >> i won't say them. they were racist slurs in a sense. i don't know. you say it like -- just as a joke. i don't know how to explain it. i never took it seriously. now he showed his other side. >> reporter: now he thinks he should have taken the jokes more serious seriously. he is sick and devastated about the shootings in charleston. also tonight, we have more information about dylann roof's arrest record. he was arrested in february in a south carolina mall not far from here. employees plained of a male many black asking out of the ordinary questions about who the associates were who were working and when they were leaving. he was arrested by a police officer who said that he took illegal drugs from him, drugs used to treat addictions. two months later, he was arrested again for trespassing at that same mall. he was ignoring an order that -- a ban that was placed upon him to avoid that same mall he was arrested for violating that ban just in april. we mentioned the schools that he bounced around in here and elsewhere. he has obviously a checkered past here in the columbia south carolina area. learning more tonight from family and friends. >> thank you very much brian todd. james fitzgerald a former fbi profiler. for some reason that image that don was talking about, the pastor there relaxes. they are downstairs. they are having this conversation. you see the pastor there talking about the bible. i don't know. it's a naked moment of people just being themselves. this guy sat through this meeting with these 13 people. he convinced them he wanted to study the bible. he lied to them and killed them all. what does that same about him that he would sit there for an hour and then kill them? >> it was bible study for the dozen or so victims killed and injured. it was victim study for this guy for roof. he was getting target acquisition, determining who would be the first to take out. who would be the strongest, the ones to resist and then finish the rest of the group as time permitted. i know he left one person there. at least one person alive to tell his story. what we have here is him hiding in plain sight. he is play acting this role that he has rehearsed in his head. i have a feeling there was surveillance or research knowing that this particular bible study would take place in this particular church, an historic church. it wasn't necessarily by coincidence that this is what and when he chose to do it. he was there not to learn anything about the bible. what he was hearing would go in one ear, spin around his distort ed synapsis. >> we have spoken to a family member that said -- one of the survivors said i will let you leave. i will let you live so you can tell everyone what happened. a 5-year-old survived. why would he do that? why planning all that would he allow three people to survive? >> remember cho, he had mailed videotapes to various media outlets. the unabomer wrote his manifesto. this guy perhaps doesn't have that skill set. he may have wrote letters. he figured in his case his skills were related by things he said as he was shooting and empties andy sing magazines. she may have said something, looked a certain way like somebody he knew and he chose her randomly to say you will tell my story. there's a message to be told here that this guy wanted to get out as crazy as disturbing as it is. he chose this person as his messenger. it's a strange paradox. >> thank you. next we are learning more about the nine people who lost their lives. the innocent people there to study the bible with their weekly group who were so horribly slaughtered last night. we will tell about you them. the alleged shooter caught oned within hours. how hard will it be to prosecute. the president's ties to the church. he knew the pastor and he made a call for change. >> i have had to make statements like this too many times. communities like this have had to endure tragedies like this too many times. when a moment spontaneously turns romantic why pause to take a pill? 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>> he was a quintessential pastor. he was not someone who went into ministry by mistake. he was active in his church. he managed to do that and balance his role as a publicer is vent.servant. he was determined to improve the lot of his congregation and his senate district. he was as good as they come. >> no one can understand the shooting that someone would do this someone would go into that meeting in that community and then murder these people in cold blood, these innocent people. how important is this church -- this church it isself is significant, the a.m.e. churches how important are they? >> the church has been a main stay. it's community worships together they get to know one another. the unity that's supposed to be in the community is fostered under the leadership and guidance of a pastor. someone who is just that a director of the flock. >> pastor darby, now nathat this happened you are the elder of this churches. they are open to the community and to the public. in this church i know people would come through and they would sit. they could be a part of things if they were a tourist. are you worried now? should the churches be locking their doors and changeing? >> no. churches should take appropriate precautions for security. but it is against the role of the church to have locked doors. we have to make ourselves peace and protection. >> powerful statement. pastor dixon, the alleged shooter, we know he is racist. we know he is now accused of murdering nine people in cold blood. should he also be considered a terrorist, that word? >> i would say so. i would say so. by definition because i think one of his main purposes in doing this was to instill fear not only in those that he encountered in the church because his goal was to eliminate the people in the church. i think he had a far reaching method because he told one of the young women there, i'm not going to kill you in order for you to take this message further. why would he want that message taken further? the only reason i can figure out is that it would impress in the minds of others that this could happen to you. which is terrorism. >> by that definition absolutely. what would you say, reverend terrorism? >> i believe it's terrorism. it's the same kind of terrorism that has been visited upon african-americans not only in the south but in america since the founding of this nation. it's less frequent now. it's sometimes more nuances. but it's terrorism. >> thank you both very much. terrorism is terrorism, you heard it from you. i appreciate your time tonight. my condolences. next an angry and emotional president obama talking about race about being black and gun violence in america. breaking news in the hunt for two convicted killers. we speak to a top official leading the hunt. you wouldn't order szechuan without checking the spice level. it really opens the passages. waiter. water. so why would you invest without checking brokercheck? check your broker with brokercheck. ♪ take me in, into your darkest hour ♪ ♪ and i'll never desert you ♪ ♪ i'll stand by you ♪ yeah! yeah. so, that's our loyalty program. you're automatically enrolled. and the longer you stay, the more rewards you get. great. oh! ♪ i'll stand by you ♪ ♪ won't let nobody hurt you ♪ isn't there a simpler way to explain the loyalty program? yes. standing by you from day one. now, that's progressive. breakig news. dylann roof on his way back to south carolina to face charges. he was captured 250 miles away from where he allegedly killed nine people at the historically black a.m.e. church. the president knew one of the victims. he voiced his anger today calling the deaths senseless murdered. >> i have had to make statements like this too many times. communities like this have had to endure tragedies like this too many times. we don't have all the facts, but we do know that once again innocent people were killed in part because someone who wanted to inflict harm had no trouble getting their hands on a gun. at some point we as a country will have to reckon with the fact that this type of mass violence does not happen in other advanced countries. >> president obama has addressed gun violence at least 14 types in his presidency. he has called the failure by congress to pass gun control measures after the sandy hook massacre of innocent children his most disappointing moment. jim acosta is out front at white house. it was personal for the president today. he knew the pastor. he was angry but he was controlled. he was emotional. i mean it was very powerful when he talked about race. >> reporter: absolutely. this was personal for the president. you are right, not only did he talk about the issue of control control in stark terms. the president took note that this massacre in charleston was an act of racial violence. while the president said investigators don't have all the facts, he said the shooting hark harkinhark harkened back. the president also pointed to the significance of emanuel a.m.e., that this was a church that was burned to the ground because its worshipers worked to end slavery. >> the fact that this took place in a black church obviously also raises questions about a dark part of our history. this is not the first time that black churches have been attacked. and we know that hate across races and faiths pose a particular threat to our democracy and our ideals. >> reporter: the president has had to grapple with the matters of race throughout his presidency. and in recent months we have noticed he has gotten more bold in offering personal views. today the president was trying to cool any tensions that might flare up after charleston. he quoted martin luther king's words on the birmingham church bombing. don't look at who murdered the victimless but look at the system the way of life the philosophy which produced the murderers. i suspect judging by the tone of the president's comments this is not the last we will hear from the president on this issue. >> thank you very much jim acosta. back with me charleston pastor thomas dixon along with mark lamont hill. thanks to both of you for being with us. now, let me start with you, thomas. i wanted to bring you back. you were passionate on this issue of whether this was an act of terrorism. certainly, an act of terror and racism. the gunman said he was there to shoot black people. you rape our women and you are taking over our country and you have to go. that's the quote that one of the survivors said he said in that room. can you believe that this happened in america, in charleston in 2015? >> yes. i have no problem believing that. this is a culture that has been bred for years. we saw it when our current president first ran for office. we have seen it through his two terms of office. if anybody that follows facebook can turn to the nasty comments that are being made about our president, our commander in chief, and they are being made no matter what the excuses are because he is an african-american in office running this country. racism the thread of racism in our nation is not going anywhere. we are not in a post-racial world in america. >> i think -- powerfully put but something a lot of people don't realize. people think we have come a long way. there's a black man in the white house. that means this country has changed. yet today, there was talk about something that i think might shock a lot of our viewers, the confederate flag still flying today at the state capital in south carolina. >> the problem is for the last seven years and really the last 50 years we have been fighting this issue. i don't want to make this the reason why all these things are happening. it's a sign of a mentality of people who always want to harken back to the good old days. the good old days weren't so good for black people for women, for poor people jews. we can go down the list. when you see a perpson like this man, that's the narrative the kkk used. >> raping our women, you feel like it's a flash back to the 1950s. >> it's out of birth of a nation. it's always been the narrative. for that reason this is extremely disturbing. we might be foolish to dismiss this as an isolated case of one crazy guy, which is what be like to do when they say that. we need to say, this is part of a network of domestic terrorism. >> let me ask you, pastor the president of the naacp in charleston spoke. she thinks racism has gotten worst since the election of president obama. it's a hard thing to say. a poll this year showed 40% of americans agree. they think race relation have gotten worse. when he took office four months in totally different view. there was so much hope. 6% said that. what do you think happened? >> i believe the reality of the black man in america was placed in front of white america's face. they could no longer be kept in the closet. the concept of i believe in white privilege would manifest itself against the fact that there was now an african-american president. more people -- the more that this happened with the tea party movement the attacks by the republicans and conservatives against our president, the more it opened up the door for those who were more or less afraid or skeptical about speaking on these issues to feel more freedom and latitude in presenting the way that they truly felt. now we see the end result of that. >> i guess the bottom line is could this be a watershed moment? >> we're always -- >> nothing is a watershed moment. >> we are always looking for the moment where we have this grand racial turn where everything gets better. we said it with eric garner, trayvon trayvon. we said it with rodney king. we can't eliminate this without the source of the problem. the source of of this is white supremacy. until we address that as a structural thing, as an ideology and a cultural practice we will have these circumstances. >> thanks to both of you. the shooting suspect with what looks like a wealth of evidence against him. what will be his defense? 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death penalty? >> reporter: death penalty for an absolute certainty. the prosecutors will ask for one. what a jury will do i don't know. south carolina is a death penalty state. they not only charge people with death penalty, they do execute people unlike california which has the death penalty but doesn't execute people. this is the definition of a death penalty case. >> so his lawyers i'm sure will try to say this issue may be there was a drug issue, instan ty insanity. i come back to the most chilling part which is that he sat with 13 people in a casual setting for an hour before he killed them. >> look it's hard to imagine a more horrifying crime. but in the way that the death penalty cases sometimes work the worse it is the better it can be. why would someone do this the argument will go if they weren't mentally detective? how could someone sit for an hour who was in any sense sane and then do this? so that's the argument you can make. does it usually work? no. it might -- it almost certainly would not work for the guilt phase. possibly you could get one juror which -- who would say, you know there was some sort of mental defect here. he wasn't fully in control. >> you need unanimous. >> the crime here merits the death penalty. they will do for that absolutely. people care as to whether this is labeled a hate crime. it may not result in more of a punishment but they care deeply about it. what would having this label to do to the punishment? >> frankly, nothing. south carolina is one of the few states that does not have a hate crime law. the only -- >> they can't come in with federal charges? >> they could. but there's no federal death penalty for hate crimes. the practice almost always is for the federal government to defer to a state in a straight-up homicide case like this. so obviously, all of us have an emotional reaction. this was a racist crime. this was the definition of a crime based on race or so it seems. but in terms of the actual prosecution, it's unlikely to be prosecuted that way. >> all right. jeffrey toobin thank you very much. it will upset a lot of people. they will absolutely go for death. breaking news on the new york manhunt. what the female prison worker was doing the night of the escape and we will speak to the sheriff, one of the people in charge of the hunt with the breaking news after this. it's one of the oldest black churches of of the south. the scene of a deadly shooting. what this church stands for and what has happened in there is a story you must hear. our report coming up. when heartburn comes creeping up on you... fight back with relief so smooth... ...it's fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue ...and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. ♪ tum, tum tum tum...♪ smoothies! only from tums. ♪ mamas, don't let your babies grow up to be cowboys ♪ ♪ don't let'em pick guitars and drive them old trucks ♪ boys? 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>> it's easy to theorize what may or may not happen. especially when this all comes to closure, you're going to have a lot of people out there that say, i knew that's what was going to happen. it's difficult, one would have to imagine that with this methodical a plan as detailed as it was, and time-consuming as it was, there had to be something a little more well thought out than just hoping she would show up and not have car trouble or anything else that could have occurred if she had not gotten cold feet. you would think they'd have something much better than that set up. >> when you say much better than that it's 13 days and i know officials say there's no evidence they left the area. there's no evidence they're still in the area theyen have the been found. they're now alerting the canadian border the mexican border. do you think it's possible they may have escaped the net? they may truly be gone? >> anything is possible. having the u.s. marshall ss involved in this it's going to be helpful. no matter the outcome, when the outcome, the state police have received thousands of leads. there's countless resources that are still here in the community, although we don't see them lining the roads directly behind me like we did a few days ago, they're out there patrolling all over in groups. our department are in groups the forest rangers, the border patrol are out doing broad range patrols, checking on other areas, on other homes in hopes that run into these guys and take them into custody. >> we're rooting for you to do just that. i appreciate your time. breaking news in the charleston massacre story, the suspect in police custody has landed in south carolina facing charges. this is the mugshot taken moments ago. we're going to give you the full details on what we know about that landing going into detention. we'll be right back. if you have moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. isn't it time to let the real you shine through? 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questioned trump's faith. listen to this. >> i've known ben carson for a long time. i've never heard faith was a big thing until just recently. >> he's a seventh day adventist. something he talks about a lot. >> all of a sudden he becomes a great religious figure. i don't think he's a great religious figure. yesterday i saw him quoting something on humility and it looks like he had just memorized it two minutes before he made the quote. so, you know, don't tell me about ben carson. >> he's coming at you, too. >> he's starting to hit me so i hit back. i only hit back when i get hit. he was a doctor for perhaps -- an okay doctor, by the way. you can check that out, too. we're not talking about a great -- he was an okay doctor. >> i don't know about an okay doctor. he was the first man to separate conjoined twins. >> because he's a doctor and he hired one nurse, he's going to end up being the president of the united states? >> just a short time ago, ben carson's business manager fired back here on cnn. >> mr. trump, which is very disturbing for us, sounded almost like a schoolyard bully that if you say something i don't like, that i'm going to come after you and everything is on the table. while we have tremendous respect for mr. trump and mr. carson has great admiration for mr. trump and all of the candidates, dr. carson is a neurosurgeon and will not be intimidated by mr. trump's words or his hitting below the belt. dr. carson will always challenge mr. trump and anyone else on the issues if he disagrees with them. did we plan to reach out to mr. trump? absolutely not. mr. trump should reach out to dr. carson and apologize for what he said this morning. >> all right. so this is one part of it. the other part of it is this. if you see "rolling stone" magazine, trump was watching carly fiorina on tv with a reporter present. he said, "look at that face. would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that, the face of our next president?" so chris cuomo this morning asked donald trump to explain what he was referring to. he defended himself. >> but carly -- i'm talking about her persona. it's not going to be -- she is not going to be president. she is a terrible, terrible failed time -- >> all of this as this brand-new cnn orc poll out today solidifies both donald trump and ben carson in the top two spots. let's discuss. cnn political correspondent dana bash is with me from washington and national political reporter rebecca berg is with me as well. ladies, it's getting nasty. let's get into the ping-ponging back and forth over this personal, okay doctor, talking about faith back and forth. but before we do that, again, talk to front runners. zero political experience, double digits, donald trump and ben carson. >> not only double digits, brooke, but if you combine the percentages that both donald trump and ben carson get, it's over 50%. 51%. so a majority of republican voters are saying that -- are splitting between the two. donald trump is et going a lot more. but that says a lot considering how big this field is. 17 declared republican candidates. so, you know, it says a lot, not just about those two but, much more importantly about what the republican electorate is looking for and that is somebody with no experience in washington and, in this case, no experience in politics. >> rebecca, we have you on because you were the one at that ben carson campaign event in anaheim. you asked the question that started this whole -- shall we call it a carfuffle that's gone nasty? how surprised are you that donald trump went on with chris cuomo this morning hitting back and defending himself? >> frankly, brooke, i was much more surprised by ben carson's answer yes when i first asked him this question because up to this point he's not been confrontational and not been attacking candidates, especially the way that donald trump has been attacking other candidates but i was -- i didn't frame the question in the sense of him necessarily attacking trump but he took that route and he decided to take trump to task so i was very surprised that he did so. >> why -- on ben carson, why do you think that he did that? so that we would be talking about it today? >> i don't think that was it so much as they have so far run basically parallel campaigns. they have both been rising in the polls, both categorized sort of these outsider candidates who have never ran for office before. a lot of voters are lumping them together right now out on the trail, even at the ben carson event yesterday, voters often say in the same breath, these are the two candidates who i'm deciding between. now is the point when ben carson needs to say, this is what makes me different and this is why you should support me and not donald trump. >> and to that point, i think if you look deep inside cnn's new poll today, you kind of get a sense of why it was that issue that ben carson choose, not that that -- >> evangelicals. donald trump says he's winning and, guess what, he's winning among republican voters in the subset of evangelicals, even today in this brand-new poll. ben carson is not far behind. donald trump is at 32% and ben carson at 28%. on its face, ben carson should be pouncing donald trump with evangelical voters. he's known as somebody who is of deep faith, speaks to evangelical voters. rebecca was in anaheim and that's a place where there are a lot of evangelical voters. that's why he was there. so it's not a surprise and a question about why carson choose that. those are his voters on paper and he wants to get them back from trump. >> i started making a list of people who have jabbed over what he told "rolling stone" over what he said about carly fiorina. jeb bush, scott walker, hillary clinton and now bobby jindal taking shots. hear what he said. >> donald trump is for donald trump. he believes in nothing other than himself. look, he's not a liberal. he's not a moderate. he's not a conservative. he's not a democrat. he's not a republican. he's not an independent. donald trump is for donald trump. he's not for anything. he's not against anything. issues don't mean anything to him. policies, ideals are not important to him. he's for donald. he's a narcissist and egomaniac. >> now, i understand to your point, rebecca, why carson hit back on faith, right? but with regard to bobby jindal, a jeb bush, hillary clinton, it has to be about traction in the headlines. >> oh, absolutely, brooke. i would compare what jindal just said in that clip to what rick perry was saying a few weeks ago at a similar venue in washington, d.c., trying to get press, obviously jindal has been in single digits in the polls so he's not really gaining any traction, hoping that maybe the media, us, right now will pay attention to him because he's talking about donald trump. and maybe there's something to that. but -- >> and it works. >> it didn't turn around his campaign but with rick perry it didn't do much for him. his campaign is broke and he's not paying his tab. he hasn't been helped in the polls at all. so we'll see if it works for bobby jindal any more than it did for him. >> i agree with you. there's a difference, though, in the content of what bobby jindal said today and not only what rick perry pointed out but also jeb bush in the past couple of weeks has been hitting. they abeing taed his conservativism. they attacked how much of a republican he really is. i think perry called him a cancer on conservativism. that's not what jindal did today. he did it on purpose because he does not think this attack on his conservative principles and ideals -- that did not work. the way to get at it is to show, from his perspective, that the emperor has no clothes, he's not the real deal, he's not going to do what he says he's going to do and he says he's going to keep doing this and keep hitting on this and the only way to get at him is with a sustained attack on him personally and on his character and who he really is. that's going to be the difference. we'll see if donald trump responds. if he doesn't, that could be a bigger ouch. >> who knows. i guess you've been a referee, jake tapper is going to be the referee next wednesday as well. dana and rebecca, thank you both. it's personal now. this is going to spill over onto that stage that republican candidates are facing back-to-back next wednesday night, september 16th, 6:00 and 8:00 eastern only here on cnn. this is must much television, folks. which republican candidates will be at the debate? 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all of these faces. all of these faces, this is why you're here and this is why this conversation is so important. you can put the photos down for now. show of hands, how many people were affected by aurora. aurora. how about sandy hook? virginia tech? how about -- how many of you -- show of hands were affected by a story that wasn't the front page of the paper the next day? how many people in here lost someone near and dear to them? how many people in here own a gun? how many people -- final question -- believe in hope for change? you show all of these photos. i want to hear a little bit about some of these folks. roxanne, you first. >> my daughter was a third grader and waiting in line to visit and talk with her congresswoman, gabrielle giffords. unfortunately, she was shot in the back through the heart and died immediately. >> in a couple of words, what was her essence? >> she wanted to be the first female president of the united states. and also, the first major league pitcher, female pitcher to play in the big leagues. she was an amazing little girl. she was brave and strong and i miss her every day. >> how about pass the microphone to your right. how about you two? my wife sometimes has a hard time talking. jacob and darshawn. we lost our daughter brooklyn to what they called an accidental shooting. her best friend was playing with her father's gun that he left in a kitchen cabinet. she was shot in the back from about 15 feet away. she wasn't playing with the gun but we were just told it was an accident. >> tell me about it. >> you know, i think some people have revisionist history when they lose somebody. she was really the genuine article. she was a marathon runner, a competitive gymnast. honor roll student. you know, the only child of the three that we never had to tell to clean her room or anything. she just -- she was really just in her heart just a really, really good kid. >> how about one more to your right. >> my son was 29 years old. he was a murdered december 8th, 2003. and that's when i really found out what the word gangs mean. and i know they say guns don't kill but people do but i do feel they get them so plentifully in our communities that it could have been prevented a lot of us if they weren't easily gotten. >> lucy? >> i was visiting with my family for thanksgiving in chicago and i had just talked to jordan thanksgiving day and he was really excited about going to the mall the next day and shopping with his friends and he made phone calls to all of his friends on thanksgiving day to tell them that he loved them and that he was so thankful to god that they were his friends and then the next day i received a phone call that jordan had been murdered simply for playing loud music in his car and every fear that you have as a parent, every fear that you have, that they will be hurt while driving or be in an accident, it all comes crashing down on you at one time and i remember i was just completely numb. >> where is tom? i want to hear from you. >> that day was alex's birthday. and i remember i woke up that morning, i worked at the post office, had to be to work early. when i got up in the morning, i would turn the tv on and we had had it on a newschannel and i saw the flashing lights, i saw a movie and that -- i placed a call to him and said, hey, i've seen this, this is going on, you know, give me a call when you get up. your mom's going to be worried and before i hung up, i wished him a happy birthday because that was his birthday. >> 27? >> yeah. he was 27. yeah. and then i headed on into work and i actually drove right by the theater and could see the helicopters and i could hear the sirens and i called him again and, you know, said, hey, i'm going to keep calling you every half hour until you get back to me and i went to work and proceeded to do that until my wife finally called me at 6:30 that morning and i tried to calm her down and said, you know, i've been calling him but she yelled at me over the -- into the phone that alex had been shot. and we got into action. >> it's these phone calls, you remember where you were, what the day was like, who called, the time of day. rich, talk to me about when you got the call. >> my son christopher martinez was shot and killed in isla vista, california, 9:27 p.m. in 2014. and karen, his mom, was talking to a detective and she was asking him whether he was alive or dead and the detective didn't want to tell her and she insisted and i could tell from her reaction that he was dead and, you know, it's bad to lose a child but it takes you down to a place you've never been before. >> ronnie, what about you? >> i was asleep when sandy got the call. the call came from inside the theater. the screaming was still going on. and it was brant who was jesse's best friend. he called her and said that had he been talking to jesse just minutes before. so when she got the call from brent, she knew something was wrong. so she asked brent, where was -- where's jesse? and brent said, i tried. he said, brent, please tell me she's not dead. and brent said again, i tried. so the scream woke me up. i thought somebody was in our house attacking my wife, the scream was so horrible. and when i got to her, she was sliding down the wall telling me jesse was dead. and i said, no, no. you're mistaken. she said, no, she's dead. brent said she was dead and brent's a paramedic so he knows she's dead. >> this is so hard. >> my name is pam from chicago. my son on april 4th, actually that morning, i had got up and given terrell a kiss before i went to work and he went to church and the next call i got was from his girlfriend. she was screaming on the phone saying that terrell had been shot and i'm like, shot? he's at church. so before i even got to that i had spoken to terrell and our last conversation was, terrell, a man got shot so be careful. don't argue with anybody. he said, mom, i'm at church. that's where i'm at. i'm not going to argue with anybody. that was my last phone call with him. it was a phone call that changed my entire life and since then it tears you apart. you don't go -- it's nine years for me and i'm still suffering every single day. you don't get through this. you don't get over this. and i don't care that i have two more children. i still don't have terrell. >> and that was just the beginning of an evening of stories and conversation. we have so much more from my interview with these 40 people, their powerful stories, the connections they've made with one another through grief and loss. that is next. also, this -- >> i jumped on the phone and we started to cry and it just seemed like our souls came together in a commonality that i can't even explain. from the people who brought you underwhelming internet speeds. and the people who brought you temperamental satellite television. introducing... underwhelming internet speeds and temperamental television... in one. welcome to the moment no one's been waiting for. the fastest internet and the best tv experience is already here with x1. only from xfinity. wow, reading all of your tweets. this is overwhelming. i'm brooke baldwin. i joined 40 men and women who have lost people to gun violence. and there's something that exists in this club that i actually never knew about and no one really knows about it unless you, too, have been affected by a shooting, if you've had a loved one who has been taken, as they say. a connection some described it as a calmness and understanding between one another not having to explain the severe pain they carry with them every day. every hour. and every moment. >> it's these connections you all have made, right? you all had no idea this would be happening to you. you had no idea you'd end up with this commonality with people sitting next to you. so beginning with the two of you, tom and jane, i want you to tell me about your connection. who reached out to whom? how did you all connect? >> down at the state capitol testifying, you know, over some of the commonsense gun bills that have been passed in the state of colorado in the three years, you know, since the massacre at the movie theater. so jane has been down there, i've been down there. we've done other speaking events and that type of stuff. so we're constantly in contact with one another. and so then when you have those abilities to connect with somebody when it's supposed to be a happier time in your life, it makes it so much easier and especially, you know, there's that unset, you know, kind of calmness that you can have between the two of you because you don't have to explain, you know, where you've been. she already knows and so we can just move on. >> and i want you to tell me about the wedding dress. >> well, i work out of my home and i've been in bridal for a very long time. but i never thought that this would be a connection in the world of bridal, which is a fairy tale land. i was working on wedding gowns when i got the call. my husband called me and said there's been a shooting and i'm aware of shootings. i live in littleton, colorado. i pulled my children out of locked down schools at columbine. and when he said that, it was like lightning bolt went through me. and i met megan at one of the dinners, tom's daughter, about a year later she posted on facebook that she had not had a good experience at a big box retailer and that she was, you know, unhappy and i just posted, remember, i'm in bridal and this is the shop i work at and please come see me if you haven't bought your dress. and then they made appointments with me and customized it and it has the buttons on the back that were from terry's dress. and i was just so honored to be a part of that and so thrilled to see her smile and it made a little bit happier connection for me knowing what they were going through with the trial because the trial was happening at the same time. >> coming to the two of you, seeing your hands locked. in the charleston church, you lost your mother and two cousins. >> yes. i was at work when my nephew called and said, auntie, there was a shooting at the church. and i said, what church? and he said, granny's church. and nobody had heard nothing. i called my mama's phone. i did everything i could. no answer. so -- but i knew she was gone because there would have been no other place in the world she would have been. so i knew either my mother would have witnessed this terrible thing or she was one of the people that died. i couldn't even drive home. and i didn't know yet officially but i knew in my heart, i had to stop my car twice because i was so nervous, i couldn't even drive. and to then find out everything, you know, cousin susie and it was too much for two days. i'm in dallas, texas. two days. i've wandered around in my path jam mas watching the news because i couldn't take missing anything because i was hoping beyond hope that somehow they got it wrong, but i knew it wasn't wrong. i knew that she was gone. >> sorry. give me a second. with the charleston story, the world watched that courtroom. i want to say it was the day after, whenever he was taken in, you saw family member after family member for giving him. we just learned last week that the prosecutor is indeed going to seek the death penalty. >> yes. >> i would be remiss not to ask you, do you forgive him and how do you feel about that? >> i don't forgive him yet. being a pastor and a reverend, i know that forgiveness is a part of life and what we do as a world to get past. but i'm not there. i don't want to forgive him. i don't want to have to say, i forgive you for killing my mother. i don't want to have to say that. and i know that the process will have to take place and there's no time limit on that process but i'm just not there yet. i'm not there yet and i believe the god that i believe in is patting me on the back saying, you take your time. >> when you heard about what happened at that church in charleston, lucy, what was the first thing you did? >> i was weeping. i weeped, literally, on my knees for a good hour and a half, two hours. because i felt like the last bastian of safety is a church. the next day when i was asked, what are you going to do, do you want to go to charleston? i was like, yeah, i need to go to charleston. because i know firsthand what those people are feeling and i wanted to go there and i wanted to pray for them and i wanted to offer them the same -- very same support that i know those family members in that church prayed for me and my family when jordan was murdered. >> how did you meet her? 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>> well first let's go back. we have the identification of the person arrested. yes, i sold the phone to that name. the stop was good, like commissioner bratton said. now you have reasonable suspicion to make a stop. once the officers should have approached him and surrounded him and told him that there were police officers. mr. blake sounds like a very credible witness and very level-headed man. i'd like to see what the police statements are here, also. the fact is, if the officer just tackled him without making any comments towards him -- >> sounds like they didn't ask for i.d. >> that's wrong. >> that's something i would not have done. i still want to hear the officer's explanation. remember, one side of the story right now. we don't have both sides. >> that's right. bratton said -- blake looked like the guy they wanted. >> very similar in appearance. >> now, this happens from time to time. you can't help that. as a police officer, when you've got an identification by either a victim or another perpetrator, you've got to go with that information. but you still have to approach lightly. there's a small chance that person might be wrong. you have an identity theft case here. the first thing the officer has to be concerned with is his life to make sure he's safe. if this man's hands were out and a smile on his face and he was approached by these police officers and the police officers had told him why he was being stopped, i think he would have been very cooperative. but let's see what happens. >> let's see what happens. the surveillance video is not out yet. to be continued. harry houck, thank you. >> you're welcome. donald trump going after his top rival, ben carson. also, controversial comments regarding another one of his rivals. carly fiorina. folks, it's getting nasty. shopping online... ...is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters and even piano tuners... were just as simple? 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"rolling stone" reports that donald trump was watching carly fiorina recently on television and in the presence of a reporter trump said, "look at that face. would anyone vote for that? can you imagine that, the face of our next president?" for her part, fiorina responded this way. >> what do you take that to me, look at that face, would anyone vote for that. >> honestly, megyn, i'm not going to spend a single second trying to figure out what trump means. but maybe i'm getting under his skin because i'm climbing in the polls. >> trump clarified his comments and, as we have come to expect, no apologies. >> but carly, i'm talking about her persona. her persona is not going to be -- she is not going to be president. >> i don't know about that. >> she's had a terrible, terrible failed time. >> obviously this is not a first when it comes to attacks on women. here's the thing here. in the latest cnn poll just released today, donald trump's popularity is surging among republican women. look at that. up 13 points since last month. joining me to chat, conservative commentator kurt shlipter and i believe we're working on the commentator for the tea party network. kurt, to you first, great to have you on. >> thank you. >> say what you want about trump's comments. when you look at the poll out today, the cnn poll, he's leading evangelicals. you saw the poll when it comes to women. what say you? >> brooke, i don't think he's leading among conservatives. it's those of us in the tea party, the right-wing people who are doing most of the pushing back on this guy. brooke, the problem with this guy is he's just so tacky. i mean, my gosh, how superficial can you get? i'm a los angeles trial lawyer who married a model. i know what it's like to be superficial. >> kurt -- >> i'm concerned about his policies in flip-flops. that bothers me. i'm worried about him holding the hands of our lives in the military. you know what gets me, brooke, the notion that i have to spend four years listening to this idiot embarrass himself from the oval office. i don't think i could take it. >> well, you may have to a little longer. let me come back to you, based on some of the support, whatever you want to say about the polls. scottie, i understand we have you on the phone. can you hear me? >> i can. thank you for having me. >> thank you so much for calling in. you know, as an evangelical woman who supports donald trump, you heard what he said, you know, to "rolling stone" magazine about her face. he was on the phone with chris cuomo who said, whoa, whoa, whoa, i was referring to her persona. as your support wavered at all? >> i support -- >> we're talking about donald trump, scottie. >> we're going to talk about donald trump. here's the thing did donald. it doesn't matter when he's talking about this. just because we're evangelical doesn't mean we're not human. the number one thing that is important to us is the economy right now. ben carson, carly, all of these other people can talk about these issues but unless you're showing a game plan, some action, it doesn't matter about these other accusations and child's play that is happening amongst the front-runners. >> when he said what he did to "rolling stone" about her face, i mean, come on, women to women here, you -- that didn't ding you whatsoever? >> honestly, you know, he doesn't say it exactly the right way i would like him to say everything. but come on, we have become so sensitive to everything we say, whether it's donald trump, sarah palin, it's like we pick out these certain people and we say we're going to analyze every word you say. well, can i remind people that might -- even ben carson, remember, he got picked apart for saying something but said i did not mean it like that? are we really going to be that politically correct and sensitive of a society that we're going to dismiss somebody? >> no. that's one of donald trump's biggest talking points, political correctness. kurt, let me go to you. i'm going to ask you something i don't think you're going to love. >> ask it anyway. >> when you look at the cnn poll, more than half of those polled thinks trump is going to win the nomination. is there any point, as a conservative, to where you throw your arms up and say, okay, i will do whatever i can to help this man, donald trump? >> absolutely. like trump himself, i'm committed to support the republican candidate. >> you just called him an idiot. >> i'd rather have an idiot than a monster like hillary clinton who wants to destroy my country and bring it down into the abyss. donald trump is so far ahead of hillary and that socialist clown friend of hearse that it's not even close. in fact, there's guys that i would go for behind donald trump, for instance, jeb bush. if we're going to destroy the republican party, let us do it by somebody who is not really a republican. >> and i heard the whoa on the phone. >> my question is, how can you sit there and say he's not really a republican? any of these guys who can say they are 100% republican, none of them across the board are -- maybe ted cruz might be the only one who's never had -- even he has black marks on his gop record. so why are we becoming such snobs and reagan said 80% is good enough for me? >> snobs and idiots? talking about people picking people apart. kurt and scottie, we have to go. i cannot wait for next wednesday night. let me say that. the republican presidential candidates are facing off in back-to-back debates. 6:00 and 8:00 eastern right here on cnn. and tonight, we'll be revealing the line-up, which republican candidates will be at that debate. live on anderson cooper, 8:00 eastern right here on cnn. big news today, the white house has announced it will accept dramatically more refugees desperate to escape from syria. you have seen these pictures. refugees from these war-torn nations in syria and iraq pouring into europe. either arrival along with tens and thousands from iraq and afghanistan, putting an enormous strain on us a industaustria anr countries. this is what josh earnest said the u.s. is now willing to do. >> at the end of this fiscal year at the end of the month, the united states is going to take on syrian refugees. the president has directed his team to scale up that number next year and he's informed his team that he would like them to accept at least make preparations to accept at least 10,000 syrian refugees in the next fiscal year. >> all right. michelle kosinski, when you hear the number 10,000, that's a lot more than what they are taking in right now but they picture how much of a difference will that make? >> this is really interesting and it's an interesting number when you look at it from two perspectives. first of all, this is about a nine times increase over the number that was taken in this past fiscal year. so as the white house terms it, it's a significant ramping up. but you take that number 10,000 and today finally we do get a number, but you compare it to the millions of syrians who have been displaced, what other european countries are taking in, germany possibly with 800,000 in the next year, britains first saying no and changing the course and saying we'll take 20,000 and still double what the u.s. is going to expect. so obviously there are questions about that. the white house isn't answering too many of them as to the thinking, as to how exactly they arrived at that number. what they repeatedly say, though, is that homeland security comes first. national security, of course, is the top priority. and each one of these refugees, who are referred by the u.n. -- so these aren't people running across the border, these are people who apply within their countries, vetting them by the u.s. takes a year to a year and a half per person. not a quick process. and so it will take some time. although, there are many people in the pipeline. there were 17,000 referrals over the past year. so it might not, you know, take that long to vet them all, especially if that's been started for some of them. but this is the way that the u.s. is going to continue to do it so they are not going to speed them through. but the white house is saying, you know, the best way to help these people is really by giving them more humanitarian assistance within their own countries. that said, though, they are significantly increasing the number that will be reset telled here in the u.s. >> all right. michelle kosinski, thank you so much. coming up next in court right now, the new york police officer charged in the death of walter scott from charleston, shot in the back, for the first time we're now hearing what his defense may look like. and ahead, what more of what i consider one of the most emotional and raw interviews i have been involved with. 40 people here in washington, d.c., personally impacted by gun violence. see and feel what happened when they all came together for the first time in the very same room. please, do not turn away. if i want to go up... hello. if i want to go down... nooo... but, then if i want to come back again... yes. it's perfect. and there you have it. 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it's supposed to be whether or not any conditions can be put together to ensure that this defendant returns for trial. and i do think that -- well, i know that jail for former officers, current officers is probably the worst place to be. so you do have to keep them in solitary confinement, which is very expensive, actually, for our system. and so if there is sort of a -- if there are a set of conditions that can ensure that he returns and ensure his safety, you know, i think that that would make sense but the character assassination that we are seeing of this victim is just really despicable and it needs to stop. >> you agree with -- >> absolutely. to the first point, he's a total liability for the jail while he's there. if they allow anyone near him and he's assaulted or injured in any way, they are talking about lawsuits and they don't want that to happen. but the purpose of bail is so ensure that somebody comes back. they can take his passport, make him post a large bond, give him a curfew if they let him out of the home. there are so many things that they can do. apparently the lawyers have come up with similar cases that have been granted bail. so you cannot punish him merely because he's a cop and there's a lot of media surrounding this. you have to do what is right and normally done in that courthouse. >> let me show you this video that cnn has. this is fbi showing images before the shooting and it shows slager and walter scott struggling on the ground. >> i think what it does is add corroboration to michael slager's story. he's always said this is what happened and, unfortunately, all we've been able to see is the second part of the video and we've only been able to see one clip of the video. nobody has seen the beginning. and why wasn't all of the information given? rather than just a clip to try to basically try to scare people? it's the easiest way to describe it, scare people as to what happened rather than telling the full account of what happened that day. >> does he have a point? >> no. i've got to tell you, i think it's ludicrous. what we have all seen is the shooting of an unarmed man in the back as he is running away. by any standard -- and i've spoken to many officers about this particular shooting and in my law enforcement experience, by any standard that is illegal. and that's why he's been charged with the crime. the fact that perhaps there is some video earlier that may add something to the story, okay, but that does not change the fact that in my view and in the view of the police chief and grand jury, the view of the prosecutors trying this case, it is clear that he shot walter scott in the back as he was fleeing. i don't understand how he was in danger for his life in that moment and that is the crucial moment. not what happened. >> okay. 20 seconds. >> i a agree with that. >> you agree? >> i agree but the prosecution is required to turn over exsculpatory evidence. they were entitled to it and should have had it from the beginning to bring it to the judge. >> all right. robert schalk and sunny hostin, thank you. tom brady takes to the field tonight against the pittsburgh steelers but one of the people in the middle of the scandal will be missing. you're watching cnn. i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn. because it gives me... zero heartburn! prilosec otc. the number 1 doctor-recommended frequent heartburn medicine for 9 straight years. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. everyone is looking for ways while to cut expenses.s unique, and that's where pg&e's online business energy checkup tool can really help. you can use it to track your actual energy use. find rebates that make equipment upgrades more affordable. even develop a customized energy plan for your company. think of it as a way to take more control over your operating costs. and yet another energy saving opportunity from pg&e. find new ways to save energy and money with pg&e's business energy check-up. kicking off tonight with the pittsburgh steelers and the tom brady suspension tossed out and roger goodell will not be there. sports anchor rachel nichols joins us from pat fans everywhere. what's the deal with goodell? why not? >> well, this is the first time and what a turn of events. just a week ago it looked like tom brady was not going to be here. they are revealing the super bowl banner. this was going to be a great moment for the patriots organization but their star quarterback was not going to be allowed in the building. instead, it's roger goodell who won't be here tonight. he says he doesn't want to be a distraction. i just don't know if he didn't want to get in front of this many patriots' fans but tom brady is going to be celebrating and you can see a live look behind me, they are rehearsing for the opening ceremony right now. so it's going to be a giant party here. there's plenty of people here, brooke, around the country whose last week's decision did not change their mind. they may see the patriots as cheaters and here in new england, they are considering last week's decision a complete vindication. and this is the first time they've gotten a chance to get together and celebrate. it's going to be a huge victory party. >> somebody sent me a picture after the whole thing, the judge, you know, who ruled against free dunkin' donuts for life. >> yes. >> this is pretty huge for pats' fans. >> reporter: the most new england thing ever. >> right. >> reporter: going forward, you think about the nfl and, yes, these are people who say this is a black market. we've certainly talked on your show about the embarrassment of the legal decision. >> yep. >> reporter: i do want to say, even with roger goodell not in the building tonight, the nfl is slated to make $12 billion this year. the patriots are okay, too. bill belichick says he's not bothered by the criticism of his team on media. >> the interwebs can be a scary place. >> reporter: it's all good. >> rachel nichols, thanks so much. now to this after the break. we are going to take some time away just to hear from members of a club that no one wants to be a part of. this is a continuation of segments we brought you in the first hour. last night i was in washington, d.c., and i had the extraordinary honor of sitting in this room with 40 people, all of whom have been touched by gun violence involving those photos that you see them holding up for me. many of them lost children. they are banding together to fight for change. this powerful interview, next. just might be the one. to clean the oceans, to start a movement, or lead a country. it may not be obvious yet, but one of these kids is going to change the world. we just need to make sure she has what she needs. welcome to windows 10. the future starts now for all of us. rubut then i got ap domain and built my website all at godaddy. now i look so professional, i just got my first customer who isn't related to me. get a domain, website and email starting at $1/month all at godaddy. now? 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you know, who is going to need comforting from all of us next? who is going to gain some appreciation for what the rest of us have been through? so i just deal with it as it comes and my husband and my son -- my son lives in l.a. now but they were very concerned about me so i would do all my morni mourning in the shower. you can just cry your heart out in the shower. nobody -- nobody would be overbearing about taking care of you. so that's how i -- >> how many shower tears? wow. let me move on to deandra. how is it your son survived. tell me briefly, he was hit by a stray bullet at a birthday party. >> yes. >> he survived. >> he did. >> but every day it's a struggle? >> yes. every day is a struggle. and i, too, like pat, think why -- why did he survive? especially after i have met everyone here and i rarely meet people whose kids survived. a lot of them kmoos nchoose not speak out for different reasons so i don't cross their paths often. but the child that i birthed at 18 years old, i no longer have. he doesn't talk. he does not walk. i know he knows me. he is doing better with yes or no head nods but we do not know what he understands. and as happy as his spirits are, i don't think he understands that he's been shot. why he was minding his own business, being an innocent child. when he was in my home -- he's in rehab now. it was a struggle. he could not longer be in his bedroom. he was in a den. he had different machinery and stuff that -- we needed space for and i remember getting up and going to work and walking past that door and said, okay, i'll see you later. and he would just look around like, what? my heart goes out to people who have lost their kids but to be faced every day with the reminder that he may never, ever be the way he used to and he lies in your living room in a hospital bed or he's in a wheelchair and you have to bathe him from head to toe, you have to stretch his fingers out so they don't get stuck, to be faced with that every day, i have to ask myself sometimes, did you make the right decision? did you make the right decision? in my heart i know i did. but before he got to the point where he is now, it was a struggle with me wondering, who dre want to live like this? so my heart goes out, you know, to everyone and for parents who choose not for parents who choose to pull the plug. there's no judgment. there's no judgment. it's a complete change of life to see your baby so altered. he's supposed to be a freshman this year. all we ever wanted was for him to play football. high school football. and, of course, he wanted to go to college and play football. that was all snatched away from us by a stray bullet. >> and the two of you connected? >> yes. we became friends on facebook. >> tell me who's your friend? >> diana rodriguez. i used to see her commenting on a lot of stuff i would say and i thought, who is this lady commenting nonstop. and she sent me a friend request and we've been bonded ever since. i remember when dre was shot, i just needed someone who knows how i feel. my mom doesn't know. my grandmother doesn't know. i need someone with this common bond. and i believe god placed her in my life for that reason. >> my name is diana rodriguez. and i lost my daughter samantha on mother's day in 2006. >> and you feel this connection? >> yeah. i thank god. it was just one day i was just seeing that one shot survivor thing and it was through moms in action and i just friend requested her because i had seen her son and i thought, wow, he survived and i thought, lord, thank you, not so many of them do. >> it's a tough room and an emotional room. you know when your photojournalists are asking for tissues, it's a moving story. the question ahead, what can be done? 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an issue of mental illness, racial tension, background checks? it's become a mission of these survivors to find out why these tragedies happened and what can be done moving forward and none has been more vocal about this fight than one of the club's recent members, andy parker. his daughter alison was a reporter in roanoke, virginia. she was murdered two weeks ago yesterday. here is the final piece of our exclusive town hall from washington, d.c. >> what are you feeling? can i get a microphone really quickly to the end? was something said in particular that triggered a -- >> my name is clay and when i was 13, i was shot by my stepfather. and i have heard all of these stories as they came out in the news. i think the thing that is really speaking to me is that my worst horror, besides being shot and walking next to my body every single day is my children being shot. nobody is safe from this. i don't care who you are or where you stand, nobody is safe from this. and until we stand up and ask and demand that people start acting with some sort of morality and change some legislation, what is going on? after newtown? i stood in front of the television camera saying to myself, oh, my god, something's going to happen. i cried for three weeks straight because i knew as a child what those children had been through. i knew! and i thought, something's going to happen now. we're not going to have all of these children mass murdered and we're not going to do something as a nation? >> let's talk about what needs to happen. colleen goddard, you're a survivor from virginia tech, you have made this your life mission. >> i want to agree with the sentiment on one level. however, i also have been doing this work in gun violence prevention, talking to legislators before sandy hook and it is a world of difference now than it was on december 13th. >> give me two examples. >> i mean, the presence of this network is one. there has been no coordinated effort to bring people of similar experiences together to, one, tell each other that you are not alone in this. >> you all are 700-plus strong? >> over 750. >> over 750. >> people think the conversation we're having is really about taking guns from everybody. >> it's not. >> or the other reality -- >> that's a huge misconception. people think you all it's finding those common grounds to get people together, but the nra cannot defeat us on background checks, straight up. they have to associate it with an extreme end point in order to muddy the waters. when they do have a genuine background check conversation, the average american thinking this makes sense, this ought to be done everywhere. >> my husband ryan kirby was killed by a man who was diagnosed with schizophrenia. he sent his girlfriend to buy the gun, and killed my husband right away you have to ask, how can a mentally ill person who is a felon on top of that get away with sending his girlfriend to buy the gun, and they still haven't found the guns. and his death has been devastating for me. he was the love of my life. >> i'm sorry. hang on just a second. >> i do want to make one point. >> yes, ma'am. a lot of these shootings are just random and where people are, but not with my mother. not with the nine people that were killed in that church. it was racially motivated, and this is something that we still have to talk about. it is not something that we can have vigil and light candles, and the next week it's on to the next story, as americans, and as citizens and as people who have a moral heart, we still have to look at the racial hatred in this country, and i will not just let that go by, because it's a big part of what happened in that church. it's happened other places, but we don't want to talk about it, because it's a hard subject. well, it's time to talk about all of the hard things. >> what's going through your mind? >> well clearly i just share your sense of loss. you know, we are club members that no one wants to join, but i think there is a -- there's a purpose here. i think we're all singing off the same sheet of music, and we're going to get something done. we are going to do whatever it takes. i -- you know, we keep thinking there was a tipping point, maybe this is -- maybe alison's death is a tipping point. you think we have the american people behind us, and i think we'll get the money behind us, if we have to outspend them, that's what we'll do. >> thank you all so very much. in this group, wants everyone to know, if someone needs to talk about violence, visit their website everytown.org/survivors, and also please go to cnn.com it's been a phenomenal collaboration for portraits of each and every one of those 40. i sat with them in the newseum. thank you all for sharing your stories. we'll be right back. if i want to go up... hello. if i want to go down... nooo... but, then if i want to come back again... yes. it's perfect. and there you have it. 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nine people are dead and thousands trying to escape the floodwaters. at this moment, a curfew is beginning for columbia, south carolina, the state capital hardest hit, nearly 20 inches of rain falling in just one day there. 1300 national guard troops and first responders have been rescuing hundreds at this hour nearly 500 interstate highways and roads are closed in the state. firefighters came to the aid of this family trapped in their apartment. the roads impassable. floodwaters have been trampling the cars. martin savidge is joining us nearby. >> reporter: that's right. we are not showing you some of the massive in this area because just before we set up, emergency crews came running up and saying that there had been a breach in this dam and we had to flee. it's not only high water, it's high anxiety in south carolina. desperate days. a man in columbia clings to a tree as floodwaters rivet his waist and threaten to wash him away. in south carolina, the rain may be easing but not the danger. in many areas, the water continues to rise and so does the death toll. many of those who have been killed died trying to cross through rushing water. >> yep, they just made a mistake. >> this van made the same fate when waters carried him and his truck away. it would become one of many dramatic rescues. just outside charleston, a mother and her 15-month-old-baby had to be rescued by a coast guard helicopter after floodwater surrounded their home. officials say there have been so many rescues like these, they've lost count. south carolina's governor is warning people not to letdown their guard as waters recede. >> this is not over. just because the rain stops does not mean that we are out of the woods. we very much still have a vulnerable situation out there. i'm still going to ask citizens to please stay inside. >> reporter: the greatest danger is south of columbia whereas much as 2 feet of water has fallen since friday. several area dams are overflowing and more giving way. >> we probably have about ten dams that broke yesterday. >> reporter: late this afternoon, a cnn crew and national guard helicopter flew above this dam shortly after it breached. warnings of the breach sent reporters and emergency crews rushing to get out of the water's potential path. meanwhile, some 1300 national guard troops have been called in to help hundreds of troopers and state workers. residents are being asked to stay off the roads to allow emergency crews through but it's still not easy. more than 500 roads have been closed due to high water or damage, including 100 bridges in and around the state capital. in much areas, it's too early to assess the damage but many residents already know the cost is high. >> what i've got on my body is what we have. pretty much everybody on that hill has lost everything this morning, our vehicles, our clothes, our everything. but the best thing is that we still have our lives. we still have our lives. >> people are coping, erin, with not just with what the water has done but now coming to grips with what it may yet still do. there are many other dams in danger in south carolina tonight. erin? >> marty, thank you very much. we talked about thousands homeless waiting for the waters to start to recede. as we said, though, it's going to get much worse before it gets better. boris sanchez is "outfront" in manning, south carolina. how bad is it where you are? >> reporter: erin, we do have good news to report tonight. two things. first, earlier in the day, manning was entirely blacked out. one of the dozens of cities here in south carolina that did not have access to power. in the past two hours, we've seen traffic lights come on and businesses turn on their lights. it's a very good sign. the other good sign is water is starting to recede. it's moved ten feet back. there's been a very slow recession of water. we're on highway 301 that stretches down to florida. it's a major highway and if you look behind me, the water stretches as far as you can see, at least a mile of flooding here on highway 301. there's debris everywhere. if you can make out the wooden structure, that's almost in the center of the street. it's obviously shifted because of the floodwater and there's plenty of debris like that that is moved around. we also see several cars submerged. businesses have been flooded, a gas station, convenience store and this restaurant to my left, they are actually opened and running. they have been helping to feed national guard servicemen that have come into this town to bring relief to people. it will take a long time for this water to totally get back. there's a river far back there that is kind of gone over its shore and goes under highway 301. hopefully in the coming days and into the coming week the water will finally recede. until then, things will not look the same here in manning. >> all right. boris, thank you very much. just given the sense of the scale of what we're seeing in south carolina, they are talking with this other 1,000-year flood. "outfront" tonight, the mayor of columbia. mayor, your city got 20 inches of rain in just one day. one of the things that this reporter is talking about is in a very heavily populated area. how dangerous is the situation? >> it's incredibly dangerous, erin. it's downright perilous which is why we put the curfew. state law gives me the authority to establish a curfew. it is requires people to stay off the roads from 6:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. we have re-established the curfew from 7:00 p.m. to 6:00 a.m. tomorrow. only emergency workers, health care workers and those repairing utility lines can be on the streets of columbia. we're in tough times right now. initial thoughts were we might have a 100-year event and then some of the other meteorologists thought it would be a 2 or 300-year event. i'm not sure anyone could prepare for this. what we have done, however, is seen an unprecedented amount of cooperation at the local level, state level and federal authorities. we've seen leadership on both sides of the aisle from our governor and tim scott and lindsey graham and everyone is coming together to make sure we have the resources to do this. our number one job here is to preserve human life. once you get past that, everything else is secretary. we're going to work to rebuild our infrastructure but we've got to make sure we keep our people safe. and everyone is, working towards that end right now. >> and mayor benjamin, you talk about the extraordinary measures of this curfew. we understand but at least nine dams have failed. there could be more, and this could get worse before it starts to get better. how concerned are you that other dams could fail? you're talking about the capital here at the state? >> we're significantly concerned that that could that and i'm not sure if i would say it's likely but -- because i don't want to speak it into existence, as some people here in the south might say. it's very real that there are at least two other dams that could be threatened. we've taken some measures as a community to even consider voluntary evacuations of those areas right now. there is damage and devastation and it's significant. it is significant. and it's the real deal, the rain has stopped but the floods have not yet subsided. we're still going to see more of the rainfall that landed in the morn part of the state. there's more water coming so we have worked together, as we have been, to continue to take care of our neighbors, provide shelter and food but we've got to help each other. it's going to be a long haul. it's going to get worse before it gets better. >> i want to go now to meteorologist tom sater "outfront." it's going to get worse before it gets better. how much worse? >> it's a great question. erin, anytime you have historic rainfall, historic flooding, it always leads to historic river flooding. you can see the bright colors. where we had in purple, 20 inches topping the charts, when you look at the rivers and, get this, too, near columbia, gill creek, it reached historical levels to the point that the water level was so high that it was washing away the river gauges. that just doesn't happen. and there's not many other gauges that hydrologists are going to be able to work with to try to forecast where the crest will be. rain from the north coming from north carolina is going to get into the larger tributaries. everything runs from the northwest across columbia, across the central areas to the low country and out into the ocean. forecasting this is going to be hard when you have additional levees. in some cases, 30. with the largest tributaries, erin, catastrophic problems could occur. if we have major breaches on dams, east over where it comes together in the town of cross, myrtle beach had rainfall rates last night at 4 inches an hour. they have come together there. georgetown was submerged. they are looking at major tributaries moving there. in the days ahead, it will have the highest crest slowly make its way across the state being inundated once again. any breach caused by a levee or a dam means more evacuations will take place and possible more water rescues. in red is all of the road closures and blue are all of the bridge closures. when the water recedes weeks from now, it could be catastrophic to a point where millions in south carolina their daily are you teen will change to fix the roadways, sinkholes and washed-out bridges. >> this is a 1,000-year event. thank you very much, jim. when the oregon shooter told one man to stand up, he was sure he would die. our exclusive's interview with that student's terrifying moment with his mother. and 28 americans fear lost at sea. they sailed in the eye of a hurricane. rheumatoid arthritis like me... and you're talking to a rheumatologist about a biologic, this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira helping me reach for more. doctors have been prescribing humira for more than 10 years. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation that contrubutes to ra symptoms. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment, get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. talk to your doctor and visit humira.com this is humira at work. 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>> yes. >> reporter: what did the shooter do? >> the shooter asked him to get the police -- give the police something and that if he did, he would live. and that when the shooter gave him what he was told to give the police, he was told to sit in the back of the room facing the room and to watch what was going on. >> reporter: in the classroom, three people, including his teacher, lawrence levine, had just been shot. the shooter had asked victims whether they were christian, firing regardless of the answer. then he pauses and turns to matthew. >> he doesn't know what's coming next and all of a sudden he says, you -- >> you with the glasses -- i believe he said, you with the glasses, stand up. >> reporter: and he just stood up? ze sto >> he stood up and at that time he felt that was it. >> reporter: for whatever reason, matthew has been called the lucky one. inside, a computer flash drive which law enforcement say contains the shooter's writings. >> matthew said he froze. he didn't make a single move. he was afraid to look away. that if he made anything -- did anything to make the shooter notice him, that he would be shot. so he just sat there. >> reporter: he's sitting there watching the shooter execute people? >> yes. >> reporter: the man sitting next to her is pastor randy scroggins, here to provide comfort. his daughter lacy also survived. >> we have showed up to say, violence will not have the last word in roseburg. god will have the last word! >> reporter: but even in this house of worship, it appears there's nothing at this moment that could ease matthew's pain. he certainly doesn't feel like the lucky one. >> no words for it. he lived and for that he feels guilty. >> reporter: well, erin, that was one of the most heart-wrenching interviews i have ever been a part of. it carries an enormous emotional interview. matthew will not be returning to college here. he's going to take time off this sem mer sister. he's known for his humor and smile and it will take a while for that part of him to come back. erin? >> simon, thank you very much. a powerful interview. i want to bring informer fbi profiler james fitzgerald and casey jordan. the shooter could have left this flash drive, right, all of these writings for the police. he could have done it any way he wanted to do it. he chose one person, one randomly, the one with the glasses, the one lucky one, he called them. why did he do that? >> many time these types of shooters choose representationalt representationaltar targets. they also may choose a representational person's life to spare and this person, matthew, perhaps looked like someone from the past, perhaps they had a casual glance to each other walking down a hallway a few days before, maybe sometime in the past and for that reason this was the one person that perhaps the shooter related to and said, you know what, you're going to be the one i spare. i cannot only take life but i can allow life to live and you're going to be the one. what better power trip than someone in that particular situation. >> it's like playing god. you just heard matthew's mother say that the shooter locked eyes with matthew. what does that say to you? >> i think he's demanding complicity. he's making sure that this guy understands that if he gives them this envelope, he will live. but he's not lucky. he's going to suffer from trauma and survivor guilt -- it's a long road to recover. because everyone is going to say, well, you're the one, you're the messenger. why did he pick you? that's a huge burden for a young man, an 18-year-old to carry. i don't consider him lucky at all. he probably picked him randomly but there was probably something about matthew that he would be complicit and not try to fight back and do exactly what he told him to do. >> the shooter asked if they were christians. but it didn't matter, he fired anyway. so why did he even ask? >> religiocity had no bearing on anything here. it was about command, conquest and kill. i know some were allegedly shot in the legs and only injured by this person but this is all about a power trip, all about his 15-minutes of fame which, of course, had took him 15 rounds of ammo, at the very minimum, to accomplish his point. the rules have changed and this is how people go about these things, these people who live in the echo chambers of their own mind and have the only external stimuli is violent movies, video games, whatever, websites and they get access to weapons and something like this is what happens. >> casey, one survivor said that a woman who was in the wheelchair got shot. she was told to get out and then get back in and that's when he shot her and he seemed happy and even laughed. >> no mercy, no compassion. by the time this young man decompensated to the point that he was ready to go to -- >> where he's able to do it -- >> he's in a zone. autopilot, numb, these are too soft of words. he's like a robot. and he's trying to make a point. society did this to us, everyone has to die. i'm going to die, too. and i'm just going to leave you with this final message on my way out of town, everything is unfair, everything is bad and wrong. i'm sure that whatever is in that flash drive will give us a clue. >> james, he also told victims he wanted to make it quick and easy. how does that fit with what casey is saying? >> well, it fits also in that he wants to make sure that the situation itself doesn't get out of control and they have a chance of taking a shot back at him. i mean, in some physical sort of way. but he wants someone to see pain and suffering. this is what he has perceived took place in his own life over the years and that was his turn to dish some of this back out in the most bizarre and morbid of ways. >> casey, james, thanks to you. next, donald trump tweeting about marco rubio, calling him a boy. is the front-runner getting more read. and an american airlines pilot dies. >> medical emergency, staff has been incapacitated. request handling for runway one zero landing. ting more. but achieving the right outcomes has never been more difficult. xerox engineers a better way for people, process and technology to work together. improving how the world shops, travels, pleases customers, learns, banks, and stays healthy, so... life works better. work can work better. with xerox. when you're not confident your company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most. big day? 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"outfront" now, jeffrey lord, a donald trump supporter and democratic strategist george wilson. good to have both of you. you saw the polls, iowa and new hampshire. dana was laying them out. those numbers have to worry mr. trump. >> you know, i don't think so. i'll tell you why, erin. just below the surface of all of the stories about the polls is the obvious question about -- and it's actually not so obvious, of organization. and i was reading a piece today by my colleague, steve day, a radio host there in des moines and iowa and very influential and knowledgeable and he supports senator cruz, as i understand it, and he's very impressed with donald trump putting together local activists here not relying on this sort of national consultants and that sort of thing. so i think there's a lot going on that is not quite visible to the eye as the poll numbers are. you've got to deliver on the ground. >> trump says if he goes down on the polls he would consider dropping out. here's a little bit more what about he had to say about it. >> i believe in polls. how many elections do you see where the polls were wrong? not that many. you see them, but not that many. if i were doing poorly, if i saw myself going down. >> uh-huh. >> if you would stop calling me because you no longer have an interest in trump because he has no chance, i'd go back to my business. i have no problem with that. >> rick, you think this could be trump's way of admitting his bubble is about to burst? >> i think donald trump has a very strong ego shield around him that doesn't want to admit that the numbers are in a direction now that it looks like his numbers peaked around the time of the second debate and they've been on a steady -- not precipitous yet but a steady point where they are starting to fall back down to earth and other players have started to rise and i think trump doesn't want to be perceived ever as a loser. that's a big key part of his overall personal image of himself and a predicate of his campaign. he says, i'm winning every poll. the daily poll out today was one of those and you're starting to see the slippage of trump's numbers going from the 30s to the high teens and high 20s and i think the direction of them is not going to change. there's not going to be a moment now until the next debate minimum and if it goes like the last debate did, i don't think it's going to be a good day for donald trump. >> jeff, donald trump is fighting back. he's continuing his attacks against marco rubio. he retreated a photo which shows rubio at 13. all right. it's funny. he says, never hire a boy to do a man's job in the tweet. are things like this -- i interviewed donald trump last week. i thought in a very human moment that it was a bit childish. he admitted that to me last week. is this the best approach for him right now, to continue these attacks? >> erin, i have to say, having been around a lot of these campaigns, this is fairly typical. when candidates start taking swipes at one another as they are all called on to do, this kind of thing happens repeatedly. you know, hate to admit this but when i was a child, john f. kennedy was getting these kinds of pokes because he was 43 years old. it didn't really take any -- it didn't have any long-term effect here so this is the sort of back and forth and i expect a lot more before we're done. >> rick? >> that's what you do when you're in this. >> rick, "the new york times" -- >> go ahead. >> donald trump has said marco rubio has lived rent-free in his head. he's the one person he can't seen to get donald trump to engage with the back and forth that trump likes to see from the other candidates and i don't think he's the character that he thinks he is and trump is displaying a lot of agetta. >> i'll look it up. >> a lot of people would think it's crazy that jeb bush is having his brother help him campaign. he's very popular. he's much more popular than president barack obama. why did it take jeb so long to consider and realize his brother is an asset, he should use him? >> i'm not going to psychoanalyze the internal workings of the bush family but i certainly think that with w's numbers with where they are right now and jeb's numbers where they are right now, he needs to take out every card in the deck. >> we will see that. >> yeah, i agree with jeb. i think they are playing the bush card to say the least. >> and they are sending it to the wrong guy because you're not going to give up anyway. separate issue. thanks to both. appreciate your time. the first democratic debate is next week here on cnn. be sure so watch next tuesday night at 9:00. a desperate search under way at this moment for 28 americans disappearing from a cargo ship. and an american airlines pilot dies while 150 people are on board. what happened? when you're not confident your company's data is secure, the possibility of a breach can quickly become the only thing you think about. that's where at&t can help. at at&t we monitor our network traffic so we can see things others can't. mitigating risks across your business. leaving you free to focus on what matters most. 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>> well, the challenge is, if they abandoned ship back on thursday, they did so into a category 4 hurricane. so you're talking 140-mile-an-hour winds, up to 50-foot seas and zero visibility. so those are challenging conditions for anyone to survive in. so that's our challenge here as we move forward with the search and rescue. >> and if somebody did manage to survive -- and i know that you are very much searching, how long could they have survived? obviously the conditions were horrific. now you're looking at, what, in terms of water temperature and s survivability? >> the warmer waters in the caribbean is four to five days. but you could be ingesting salt water and you need to be out of the water to increase your s survivability rate. >> when we look at the lifeboat that was discovered, this was a big ship. it's nearly 800-feet long. you've been hunting and hunting today. have you located additional debris and do you know where the ship is? did it just sink in its entirety? >> we believe it did sink in its entirely. and the reason being, it became disabled thursday morning. when it became disabled, it was at zero propulsion and right near the high of hurricane joaquin. so when it was adrift, essentially, it caused them to be in a trough in between the waves. even a large ship, if it's getting battered by 50-foot waves, 140-mile-an-hour winds, it's in a very, very vulnerable position and that's why we are so concerned. >> all right. captain fedor, thank you. >> you're welcome. next, how did a pilot die mid-flight on an american airlines red flight yesterday from phoenix to boston. vo: today's the day. more and more people with type 2 diabetes are learning about long-acting levemir®. as my diabetes changed, it got harder to control my blood sugar. today, i'm asking about levemir®. vo: levemir® is an injectable insulin that can give you blood sugar control for up to 24 hours. and levemir® helps lower your a1c. levemir® lasts 42 days without refrigeration. that's 50% longer than lantus®, which lasts 28 days. levemir® comes in flextouch, the latest in insulin pen technology from novo nordisk. levemir® is a long-acting insulin used to control high blood sugar in adults and children with diabetes and is not recommended to treat diabetic ketoacidosis. do not use levemir® if you are allergic to any of its ingredients. the most common side effect is low blood sugar, which may cause symptoms such as sweating, shakiness, confusion, and headache. severe low blood sugar can be serious and life-threatening. ask your doctor about alcohol use, operating machinery, or driving. other possible side effects include injection site reactions. tell your doctor about all medicines you take and all of your medical conditions. check your blood sugar. your insulin dose should not be changed without asking your doctor. get medical help right away if you have trouble breathing, sweating, extreme drowsiness, swelling of your face, tongue, or throat, dizziness, or confusion. today's the day to ask about levemir® flextouch. covered by most health insurance and medicare plans. i accept i'm not the rower i used to be.. i even accept i have a higher risk of stroke due to afib, a type of irregular heartbeat not caused by a heart valve problem. but i won't accept is getting out there with less than my best. so if i can go for something better than warfarin, i will. eliquis. eliquis reduced the risk of stroke better than warfarin, plus it had significantly less major bleeding than warfarin. eliquis had both. that really mattered to me. don't stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily and it may take longer than usual for any bleeding to stop. seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding, like unusual bruising. eliquis may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. i accept i don't have to set records. but i'm still going for my personal best. and for eliquis. reduced risk of stroke plus less major bleeding. ask your doctor if switching to eliquis is right for you. a pilot of an american airlines passenger jet dying mid-flight, 147 passengers, five crew members on board. listen to the moment that the co-pilot finally warned air traffic control. >> medical emergency, captain is incapacitated, request handling for runway one zero landing. >> ambulance will meet you. >> all right. are they going to have a way to get into the airplane quickly or do we need to go to a gate? >> understood. as long as they have a way to get on to the airplane. we need them to get to the captain. thank you. >> it's terrifying to hear him say that the pilot is incapacitated. >> it's the flight crew's discretion to say how little or how much. passenger say that the voice over the p.a. system was quivering when they were told the pilot wasn't feeling well. one passenger saying he knew it was serious. this flight 550 was flying from phoenix to boston and had to divert to syracuse. the pilot's official cause of death is still unclear but the co-pilot took over, landed safely. once on the ground, first responders boarded the plane and the captain, sadly, was pronounced dead right there in the cockpit. a terribly sad story. it goes to show how critical it is to have two in the cockpit. one is prepared to take over for whatever reason the other can't fly the plane. it's a requirement that these pilots get a medical exam once a year, twice a year if they are older than 40. erin? >> we don't know what the illness is. thank you, rene. let's go to our aviation analyst miles o'brien. i guess the big question is, why didn't they ask for a book for on board? >> that's a good question. we don't have a full report or statement from american airlines yesterday but you had a flight with probably a lot of people sleeping. so not not sure what was said but certainly, one of the things right at the top of the list would be first of all, fly the airplane, get it under control but secondly, you want to see if there's medical help on board to see if you can resuscitate in this case the captain. >> miles, american airlines will not specify. they are saying it was from quote, an illness. what aren't they giving for i o informati information? this is pretty scary. >> it is but they might not know yet. they are going to perform an autopsy, obviously and we'll get further information. it could have been, it could be obvious signs of a cardiac arrest in this case, which raises a question, every aircraft has a defibrillator on board. it was deployed? the crew notified of that and was that deployed? these are details we need to know about. >> we do and i guess the word now that they have had time to think about the words they will use, officials are using quote unquote an illness, strange word to use for a heart attack. >> hard to say. i think that we just have so little information on this, you know. was it a heart attack or was there some other thing that was less easily explainable, which might explain why it didn't play out in the typical heart attack fashion. we almost have responding to that kind of thing. >> and so basically the bottom line is, miles, it is pretty terrifying people didn't know but the discretion of the flight crew whether to tell you or not. >> it is. obviously he had hand funhands l and wanted to get on the ground. how ill was the pilot? he still alive? did he have signs of sudden death? these were important questions asked but as far as the most important job for that co-pilot, it was to take control of the airplane, declare the emergency, get on the ground as quickly as possible and make sure no one else gets hurt and by that standard, he did everything right. there are more things we need to know but at this junk toction t that airplane was flyable. >> the co-pilot did what he needed to do. thank you miles o'bryan. 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""ac 360" starts now. the breaking news continues tonight out after south carolina where as many as nine dahls have failed and officials fear that more could give way as any moment. flood waters have claimed at least 12 lives, now in north and south carolina. some places seeing more than two feet of rain in just the last couple of days, entire neighborhoods under water, a curfew in effect in colombia, the state capital. first responders carrying out hundreds of rescues from porches, rooftops and roads transformed into rivers. >> trying to kick out the back window of the truck. he's crawling out of the truck right now. >> dangerous rescue there. they kicked in the window. they got the driver out. pulled him to safety. tonight south carolina officials are saying a lot more scenes like this are likely in the coming days now that the dams failed including this one near gary tuchman that joins us now. gary?
breaking news, donald trump tripling down telling barbara walters he does not regret his plan. insisting it does not play into the hands of terrorists. >> i'm worst thing that ever happened to isis. the people in my party fully understand that. they're running against me. the most part they have no poll numbers. i'm leading by a lot. they are trying to get publicity for themselves. when i came out against illegal immigration, everybody fought the same thing. two weeks later everybody was on my side including members of my own party. >> trump defending himself against accusations that he's a bigot. >> are you a bigot? >> not at all. probably the least of anybody you've ever met. >> because? >> because i'm not. i'm a person that has common sense. i'm a smart person. i know how to run things. i know how to make america great again. this is about making america great again. >> a new cnn poll today giving trump a commanding lead in the first primary state of new hampshire. trump has 32% of the vote. his closest rival marco rubio, 18 percentage points behind. dana bash is "out front." trump not backing down tonight, not close to it. >> not at all. he is not a man who regrets things, especially this. despite universal condemnation, not just from his republican rivals, but also from party leaders, trump's sources think those statements are only going to help him solidify his status as front-runner. >> this isn't about being politically correct. >> you are going to have many more world trade centers if you don't solve it. many more and probably beyond. >> never mind backing down, donald trump is doubling down on a plan to block muslims from entering america. >> total and complete shutdown. >> even in the face of unprecedented fury within his own party, from the republican house speaker -- >> normally, i do not comment on what's going on in the presidential election. i will take an exception today. this is not conservatism. >> reporter: to the republican senate leader. >> this suggestion is completely and totally inconsistent with american values. >> reporter: to former vice president dick cheney, revered by conservatives for pushing tough tactics to keep americans safe after 9/11. >> this cold notion that somehow we can say no more muslims, ban all religion goes against everything we stand for and believe in. >> reporter: voters in today's new hampshire poll say trump is the best candidate to take on isis. just like monday's cnn/orc poll in iowa. he was eager to defend his new plan. >> i'm talking about a temporary situation until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is going on. >> reporter: even republican party chair weighed in. "i don't agree, we need to take on radical islamic terrorism, but not at the expense of our american values. months after priebus pledged to support him if he is the nominee. >> it's not about the blow hards saying stuff. this is serious business. >> donald trump always plays on everyone's worst instincts and fears. >> you know how you make america great again? tell donald trump to go to hell. >> reporter: the president spokeman made a strong statement today, clearly trying to stir the pot politically for republicans. many are worried about the damage trump may do to the party, but as for trump, he's king noises again tonight about a gop nightmare scenario. that is an independent trump candidacy. he tweeted this afternoon if he launched a third party bid, the vast majority of his supporters would back him and not the republican nominee. >> thank you, dana bash. "usa today" poll showing trump would be right about that. i want to go to tom foreman in washington. let's talk about the practicality of this plan. how many people would trump's plan impact? >> an awful lot. christianity is the biggest religion in the world. islam behind it with 1.6 billion people out there and they're in a lot of places. we talk about north africa and middle east. the really big numbers, the big percentages are in turkey and pakistan and india and indonesia. when you start going beyond those areas and start talking about the united states, well then the numbers are actually really small in terms of who is already here. if you took everybody out there, you watch how they grow over the years, this is a growing population, pew estimated by 2050 the numbers will be almost equal with christianity. and in the united states if we look at north and south america, the numbers are tiny, but immigration trends coming this way. look at that. less than 1% of the world muslim population, but that number is growing. >> will donald trump get their vote? when the issue happened with mexicans, he said i will get the hispanic vote. will he get their vote? >> it doesn't look like it. if you look at the growth of people in this country who are muslim coming here by immigration, look at that. in 1990, about 50,000 a year. now up over 115,000 a year. if you move all the way up here to 2030, they are expecting 130,000 a year. they are coming from a series of countries. biggest ones are pakistan. 14,000 from bangladesh. 12,000 from somalia. in this country, we know about half the muslim population is an immigrant half. they weren't born here. they are leaning democratic in their voting. they are less dogmattic. if you compare the way they go to services and pray and make religion a central tenet of their life, american muslims are a whole lot like american christians and don't have as much in common with the people donald trump seems to be warning america about, yet they could take big offense. >> 12,000 from somalia. half the muslims in this country not born in this country. fascinating. out front, former reagan white house commentator. jeff toobin, let's talk about the let. possible? >> i try to be a reasonable person. i try not to make categorical statements. this violates several provisions of the constitution. freedom to right to equal protection of the law. require of no religion test. there is a reason why there is no law on the books and never has been one in american history that singles out a single religion for different treatment. >> trump supporters are pointing to this, title 8 section 1182 of the u.s. code. whenever the president finds that the entry of any aliens or class of aliens into the united states would be getmental to the interests of the united states, he may by proclamation and such period suspend the entry of all aliens. that reads to me he could absolutely do this. >> it says he can designate a class of people. but his designation cannot violate the constitution. when that has been invoked before like in the haitian boat lift, it was a tremendous danger to haitians themselves, they could reject the class. that law has never been used to designate a religion or a political group. >> dick cheney says he's gone too far. that is saying something, right? he's been criticized being too tough on terror. you heard donald trump say he is not a bigot. is it a problem is even being asked that question? >> i think this is the way politics goes. a lot of his opponents are after him on something like this. in terms of his being a bigot, let me point out the obvious here. number one, his daughter ivanka is jewish. his inlaws are jewish. i don't think he's an ant anti-semite. he opened up his marla laggo club and advanced getting african-americans and jews into private clubs in the palm beach area. i think his record speaks for itself, not to mention his family. >> i was talking to someone in the middle east, a billionaire, muslim. his comment about donald trump was, it's all politics, but we muslims must fix our act. not what i expected to hear. >> you have extremism. that is what donald trump is playing into right now. the fact there is a real threat from muslim extremists. it's obvious is there a problem with the system. the system did not catch this woman that came in on a fiance visa. she was radicalized for quite some time. if you want to say you want to stop visas or people coming in from certain parts of the world hotbeds to terrorism, that is something i think many republicans will get behind and defend that idea. when you say it's a religion, that is where this was not well thought out by donald trump and/or his campaign. we are seeing them walking it back now. saying it would be for a short period of time. you cannot have a religious test, as he described it. people can lie. this is the part that bothers me the most about what donald trump said. are you going to look at someone and say are you a muslim? even if they are dressed in muslim garb and want to get into this country and attack us as a member of isis or al qaeda, they can say i'm not a muslim. the idea you could implement this maybe the most insane part of anything he said. people can lie about their religion. >> fair point. the fbi is investigating an incident, surveillance video, a severed pig's head thrown at a mosque in philadelphia last night. disgusting to watch this. the mayor of philadelphia spoke out about this and donald trump today. >> he's an ass. how can i take seriously any foreign policy idea from someone like him? it's impossible. he has no idea what he's talking about. >> listen, there are always going to be people out there -- whoever did this thing in philadelphia is responsible for their actions. we get into these situations where people say or do things out there, then we want to blame it on somebody else. not just donald trump. we want to blame it on president obama or this or that person. you are responsible for your own actions. whoever did this did this. it has nothing to do with donald trump. >> jeff pointed out donald trump is the rosa parks of palm beach. that he has done so many beautiful things in palm beach. >> the anti-defamation league liked it. >> i'm sure they do. the point is there is actually investigations of people coming into this country already. the idea that world trade centers are coming. this hysteria and panic is inappropriate. there are not people dying of terrorism all the time in this country. there are many more people who die from lightning strikes than from terrorism. people should be serious and not hysterical. >> let's be serious about what happened in san bernardino. let's be serious about the fact of what just happened in paris. to imply that people should not be overreacting or not be fearful of isis and/or these terrorists that are doing these attacks is incredibly unrealistic and out of touch with the average american. remember right now, new polls say the majority of americans are in favor of putting boots on the ground in syria. we wouldn't have had that a couple of years ago. people do not trust the president of the united states to have a clear vision for what he is going to do to fight isis. that is why donald trump is where he is. >> thank you all, very much. clearly something about what he is saying is resonating with plenty of people. his message, us against them, helped fuel his rise. can he ride that all what it to the white house? 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>> something bad is happening. something bad is happening. and we can't be the stupid ones. >> reporter: it's an alarmist tone embedded in nearly every donnell trump speech. >> something really dangerous is going on. >> reporter: while his slogan is -- >> make america great again. >> reporter: the subtext seems to be americans are not safe right now. on the campaign trail and in interviews, trump punches up the drama. >> it sounds cold and hard. we have a country going to hell. >> reporter: sharking declarations and dark imagery. >> you have isis and others wanting to blow up our country. >> reporter: turning the fear in american's minds into something more imminent and more ominous. >> we have people out there that want to do great destruction to our country. whether it's 25% or 10% or 5%, it's too much. they want our buildings to come down. they want our cities to be crushed. they are living within our country. >> reporter: it's a strategy that trump has relied on since the day he announced his campaign, warning about undocumented mexican immigrants. >> and they're bringing those problems with us. they're bringing drugs. they're bringing crime. they're rapists. >> reporter: on syrian refugees, raising concerns that terrorists might infiltrate those seeking resettlement in the u.s. >> i said to myself, wow, they're all men. there are no men. you look at it. there are so few women. there are so few children. not only are they men, they're young men and they're strong as can be. they're tough-looking cookies. >> reporter: now trump calling for a complete shutdown of muslims' entry in the united states. >> we have to stop the muslims. does that make sense, by the way? >> reporter: uncertainty are big factors with terrorism and national security top concerns for voters. 4-10 republicans say trump is the candidate they think could be the most effective solving the country's problems. suggesting not only dire warnings, but his trademark tough talk. >> we'll be so vigilant and careful. we'll be so tough and so mean and nasty. >> reporter: may be falling on receptive ears. >> every time there is a tragedy, everything goes up. my numbers go way up. we have no strength in this country. we have weakness. >> reporter: that may be one of the biggest reasons we've seen this sort of continued and constant rhetoric from donald trump. it seems to be working among voters playing to the uncertainty, playing to the fear that are especially or voters' minds in the wake of the paris and san bernardino attack. >> donald trump campaign spokesperson and political commentator. donald trump offended various groups of people at different times, women, muslims, mexicans. muslims may be 1% of the u.s. population, women are about half. is he going to limit the groups that could vote for him? will this be a self-fulfilling problem? >> i don't think so. look at the polls. even if they don't like the way trump speaks, they still think he's the strongest person for the job. at the end of the day when people vote, they are not going to vote for mr. nice guy. >> what do you say, hillary? >> i think he's getting support from 30% of the republican voters. i think his numbers are consistent there. they like him. that's who he's playing to. i think it's hard for him to grow. the only way this works is if all these other republicans stay in the race, but if other republicans drop out, those voters go somewhere, i don't think to donald trump. with regard to the general election, he has a real ceiling. i don't think americans are going to elect a president who plays to our worst fears. that is not typically what we support in presidents. yes, we want caution and leadership and strength, but we also want hope and enthusiasm and a sense of patriotism. i think he fails at that. i think the voters will agree. >> i want to talk about the numbers -- go ahead. >> we had hope and change. we had seven years of hope and change. look where we are today. donald trump is not playing on anything. he is just speaking plainly to the american public and speaking the truth. yes, it might be offensive to some people, but interesting people aren't universally liked to begin. with the fact of the matter is people were afraid before donald trump released this policy last night. it is with regard to immigration only. this is not something that is going to make isis want to kill us more. this was happening before donald trump implemented this policy. we had politicians in office for decades who left the borders opened. something has to be done. >> in terms of the general election, because people think donald trump is strong on isis. that is true. hillary clinton and donald trump in a dead heat 44% on who would be best to handle isis. it's hardly as if the american people are saying he's not the one. if you do a dead heat matchup between hillary clinton and donald trump, clinton is slightly ahead 48-44. hilary rosen, those numbers show the american public is responding to donald trump. >> like i said, i think he caps out. i just don't think he is going to get a majority for this. i'm not surprised in head-to-head when he's been on tv every day for the last several weeks that there's much more attention being paid to the republican primary. i think when you look at most these matchups, hillary clinton beats donald trump across, yes maybe a margin of error, but she is still ahead in virtually every national poll. i'm not generally worried about that. really the issue is never before have i ever seen in a general election virtually every single national security expert say that what a prominent presidential candidate has said, actually a candidate in the lead in the gop primary, actually makes this country more dangerous and more problematic across the board republicans and democrats agree that it's wrong policy. >> thank you both very much. conversation to be continued. 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"out front" now, james fitzgerald and former chairman of the house select and committee on intelligence mike rogers. cnn learning tashfeen malik was radicalized before coming to the united states last summer. how was she able to enter the united states? with this whole conversation about donald trump, people are saying we are already screening people. something didn't happen that should have happened. >> i don't know how you would determine if someone was willing to use deception to get into the country and not be forth coming in the fact she was radicalized or had extreme views, how you would catch that in the interview process. the data bases are good for what they're good for. that's information relayed from a foreign country that says this person is associated with terrorism. that is a data base the fbi has access to. it is clear neither one of those people rose to that level. remember, the tsarnaev brothers were investigated almost a year by the fbi and found they had strong views, but didn't rise to the level to say these folks are going to commit a terrorist act. >> this would mean this timing she was radicalized before coming to the united states, she could have been pregnant while she was radicalized and planning a suicide massacre specifically. terrifying thought. do you think having this baby was part of the plot? why do you think that? >> it goes way back before two years. i'm convinced she could have been a baby when this process started we have to discuss more about her family in pakistan, other places she visited. this could have been a pact she had with her handlers, not to mention her husband when she met and married him. i believe in this cause. i am a true believer. i want to have a baby first. i'll make sure she is taken care of down the line. some of this money you are borrowing or letters or digital recordings will be for my young daughter when she reaches 10 years of age, she can follow in my footsteps. this happened well before two years ago. the baby may have been part of this overall deal. >> i'm not sure that was planned. it could have been an accidental birth or unplanned birth, i mean. if you believe in isis and the calafate, they start early. they'll recruit people in these training camps or take these kids as young as 3 years old. they call them cubs of the calafate. there is one particular cam that issued swords and dolls. their whole purpose was to train these children how to chop the head off this doll. they would call them the infadels. it's a dangerous trend to see these kids consumed by isis. once that person goes through that process, maybe even participates in an execution or witnesses it, really difficult to get those kids back and out of that environment in a way that keeps them and their neighborhood safe. >> i talked to the tone last night for the farook family. he was adamant his mother helping to take care of that baby had no idea about any of this. do you believe her? do you believe the family? >> that's what attorneys do that work for a client. of course we need more facts, more information. i find it hard to brief she could live through this pre-offense gathering material, as well as doing dry firing, practicing shooting in the backyard without seeing something. i have a feeling she i not a stupid woman. there is no way she could see her son and daughter-in-law going through these machinations and not know something was being planned and something relatively evil and deadly. >> thank you both very much we know she was questioned for seven hours. at this point has not been kept in custody. 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>> because then it makes it look like some police officers are killers. and they don't want it to look that way. >> reporter: in fact, not on was the officer cleared, two of chatman's accomplices were actually charged with first degree murder, even though they were at least ten blocks away when he was shot. prosecutors said the two were involved in the carjacking which led to chatman's death. they pled guilty to lesser crimes. chicago police officers have shot 409 people since 2007, a third of them fatally according to a cnn analysis of ipra's data. that's one person shot about every week for the past eight years. an analysis of the 260 closed cases shows in on six cases, or 2%, officers were found to be not justified in the use of deadly force. we keep on hearing from activists in the community, from members of the community, there's a coverup culture to protect police officers, to protect politicians. what's your reaction to that? do you think that culture of coverup exists? >> yes, i do. that protects the reputation of the police department. that protects the reputation of police officers. >> now cnn has reached out to the chicago police department to the independent police review authority and to cook county state's attorney's office and has received no comment. now, we should add that in the past week mayor rahm emanuel has asked the superintendent of police to resign, the head of ipra to resign and has also welcomed the doj to come into chicago and investigate the department of police. we should say that doj investigation is under way and one of the things that they're looking at is use of force. erin? 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we now know the names of all nine victims who lost their lives. i want to make sure you know them, too. rebecca carnes, quinn cooper, lucas eibel, all three only 18 years old. jason johnson, 34. we don't yet have pictures of trevn who was 20, lawrence levine who was 67 or sarena moore, 44. all of them were gunned down while they were in class. survivors telling us they were asked to stand up and state their religion before the gunman opened fire. tonight, the president ordering flacks at the white house to fly half-staff in their honor. at a press conference, the president making it clear he will not stop fighting for gun reform. >> the main thing i'm going to do is i'm going to talk about this. on a regular basis. and i will politicize it because our inaction is a political decision that we are making. >> we are learning much more tonight about the shooter. we now know he had 13 guns, 6 recovered at the scene along with a massive amount of ammunition and five magazines. kyung lah is "outfront" in roseburg, oregon, outside of the college campus. kyung, we're hearing horrific stories from survivors about what actually happened inside those classrooms. >> reporter: the stories and accounts are from the young people inside, just trying to get an education. the tales are chilling. they are grotesque. a man heavily armed, carrying a small arsenal of weapons, with one intent, the intent to kill. >> many ambulances as possible to this incident. we have upwards of 20 victims. >> reporter: the gunman camed heavily armed, prepared to kill as many as possible. >> shots with him. he's in a classroom. >> reporter: investigators say the gunman brought a steel-plated flak jacket, multiple pistols and a rifle. >> six were recovered at the school. seven were recovered at the shooter's residence along with five magazines. >> reporter: the gunman entered a classroom and her brother was in the next building. >> my sister is laying shot and i'm stuck in a storage room and can't do anything. >> ana told her brother and father he first killed the professor. students hit the ground. the gunman asked them one by one a single, chilling question. >> are you a christian, he would ask them? and if you're a christian, stand up. and they would stand up and he said, good, because you're a christian, you're going to see god in just about one second. and then he shot and killed them. >> reporter: an online dating profile traced to the gunman was described as, doesn't like organized religion, not religious but spiritual. ana, shot in the back, survived by playing dead. she then saw the gunman leave something behind. >> ana said that he gave somebody a box. gave somebody a box, somebody who lived and said, you've got to deliver this. >> reporter: investigators tell cnn the gunman left behind writings, referencing past mass shootings, frustrations with not having a girlfriend and he suffered from mental health issues. >> i've seen this on the news before. i've seen other people deal with this and i felt horrible for them but it was somebody else's thing. that happens to other people and now it's happened to me and my son and my family. and it shouldn't be -- this shouldn't be happening in our country. >> reporter: and the reason why he spoke with us is that he wanted to share that frustration. he simply doesn't know what to do. he doesn't know how to solve this. he did come out and tell us that ana is out of surgery. the bullet has been removed from her spine. erin, he says that she will walk again. erin? >> those stories, it gives you chills when you hear the stories, the miraculous stories of recovery. she will walk again. we read the names of the victims who will not walk again. their lives are over. so wrongly taken from them. what more have you learned about them? >> reporter: well, we know that there are people in your community college, they look very much like anyone in your neighborhood school. we want to introduce you to a couple of them. the first person we learned about at the news conference, the family saying that they wanted to release a couple of details. this is jason johnson. he's 34 years old. he's one of the older students. his mother says that she was proud of her son for enrolling in school and she felt that he had finally found his path. quinn cooper, just 18 years old, another shooting victim. this was his fourth day of college. his family says he stood up for people, he was a brown belt and he loved to dance. his family echoing what so many others are echoing tonight. nine families grieving. they say their lives, erin, are shattered beyond repair. >> kyung lah, thank you. and tonight, there are six victims still in the hospital. our chief medical correspondent sanjay gupta is "outfront" and mercy medical center. that's where they are being treated. sanjay, obviously our hopes and prayers are with them that they will recover, that they will walk again. what do you know about their injuries and how they are doing? >> reporter: well, there's some potentially good news, erin. we know that the three patients that are at the hospital behind me, one has just been discharged, something that was expected. the other two patients still in the hospital but their conditions have been upgraded as well. so it looks good for them. we know that there were three patients also transferred to another hospital. we've learned some more details about them, erin. they are all women between the ages of 18 and 34. they all had gunshot wounds to the head. obviously very significant injuries. but also even from that hospital we hear that their conditions have also been upgraded. so things have improved in terms of outlook overall. not out of the woods yet. still a very challenging time. but certainly better than it was this morning. >> gosh. just pray for them and that they will recover and they will be back to normal, if you can use such a word. sanjay, thank you very much. and now the guns. 13 of them, an astounding number of weapons found at the scene at the shooter's apartment. pamela brown is "outfront." you've been breaking details about this part. what have you learned about the guns? >> we've learned from atf that they were purchased legally by the shooter or the shooter's relative or other people. there were 14 total that were purchased. 13 had been recovered. they have all been traced to a federal firearms dealer. we've learned that at some point one of the guns was found at the school, we know that six were found at the school. four at the crime scene, as you reported yesterday. and then two weapons reported elsewhere on campus. there were seven guns recovered at the shooter's residence. in that one-bedroom apartment that he shared with his mother. and we've learned that all of them were bought within the last three years again, all bought legally. there's no information about where or how they were bought, though. we also learned that he was wearing body armor recovered at the scene along with five magazines that were found right next to the rifle he used in the shooting. there was a lot of ammunition, we're told, erin. officials say that it's clear that he put a lot of preparation into what he was doing, that he was on a mission to walk in there military-style and kill as many people as he could. in fact, we know that he served in the military in 2008 for a month and then he was discharged. but his neighbors report that he continued to have the fascination or interest in the military. he wore combat boots frequently as well as military uniforms and we know that he had all of these items that he used in this shooting. erin? >> pamela, thank you very much. after this reporting from pamela, i want to go straight to a former u.s. marshal. pamela has gone through this arsenal. let me put up this screen again that she was sharing with us. six guns recovered at the school, steel-plated jacket, five magazines, additional guns at the home. this is an incredible amount of weapons, ammunition that he was able to get together. how? >> the amount of weapons doesn't really concern me as much as obviously what he used them for. some sportsmen, some collectors could upwards of 100 weapons. but obviously his fascination with the military brought him to this point where he used these weapons in such a matter that obviously 13 sounds like a huge number. i think the key to this is just from a purely law enforcement perspective, i would like to find out what weapons he chose out of that 13 to bring to that school. and the fact that he had a flak jacket with a metal plate in the front means he was ready to exchange gunfire with whoever responded to that scene. >> so i want to ask you about the flak jacket in a moment. here's what i know about what is at the school. we don't know the make of the guns but at the apartment he left four rifles. one rifle at the school and four at the apartment. what does that tell you? >> well, you can only carry so many rifles. i think the fact he had one rifle with him and four semiautomatic pistols which are obviously -- you could put out a lot of rounds with those pistols if they have high-capacity magazines, you don't have to load as often. the fact that he had the flak jacket is key to me. it's not like a bulletproof vest but when you put a metal plate in it, it makes it a bulletproof vest. >> does that indicate to you that he wanted to survive this? >> it seems like he wanted to get into an exchange of gunfire. whether he wanted to survive this or not, i doubt it at this point. i mean, when you're ready to exchange gunfire with law enforcement and i give all kudos to the first two responders, obviously. they are heroes in this. i think they saved a lot of lives. there would be more than two that showed up. i think he knew it was the end of his life, especially if he gave somebody something to continue this bravado of him being this type of hero. >> stay with us, art. we're going to have much more on that, what exactly he handed someone before he was killed. 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attack, seemed to portray a different side, a side of a man struggling with mental health issues, according to his family. >> he was just silent. he really didn't speak much. he seemed hesitant. >> reporter: authorities believe he may have been inspired and possibly basking in the limelight of previous mass killers. an online post, believed to be his, describes the gunman who killed a virginia reporter and her cameraman saying "alone and unknown, people like him have nothing left to live for and the only thing left to do is lash out at a society that has abandoned them." me mercer grew up in torrance, california. he was dismissed after a month of basic training in the army. he failed to meet army standards. records show he moved to winchester, oregon, less than five miles from the umpqua community college. atf officials say he and family members bought 14 firearms during that period. >> i did see him at the time walking -- or leaving his apartment or coming home with what looked like gun cases, him and his mom both. and he actually did say that he used to go shooting at some range. >> reporter: officials say he was enrolled in a class where the mass shooting took place. and belonged to the theater group, listed as a production assistant. whether something triggered the rampage or whether it was a long time in the making, darker sides of the gunman can be seen on his very limited myspace page which shows pictures of the irish republic army and recently watched "surviving sandy hook" about the massacre. >> when you read through his posts, there are so many contradictions and no real red flags, at least not leading up to the rampage that took place on that campus. although authorities are now describing him as angry and wanting to target police officers, in one of his posts just a month ago, he actually defends police officers and says, you know, killing them, somebody who didn't hurt you, serves no purpose. so there are all these different underlying nuances and it's much more complicated but the one takeaway is this guy was ordinary. there was nothing that made him stand out. nothing that raised a red nag. there's nothing in what we've seen to date that would suggest that he was ready to go off. >> all right. deborah, thank you very much. i want to go now to profiler james fitzgerald along with casey jordan, criminologist and also a former u.s. marshal. obviously the key word that deb said that i want to get to, how ordinary he was, that you did not see these red flags. we don't know much. some of the things we know, his former neighbors in california said he lived with his divorce mother, incredibly close to her, he was fiercely protective of her, even from minor annoyances like cockroaches in the apartment. what do you make of the relationship with the mother? >> well, today we would graduate from the helicopter term and graduate to a lawnmower term. she admitted he had mental issues. and what she does is clear the path for his success, make excuses and, in the process, enables his behaviors, his fantasies, maybe he rules the roost, he tells her what to do. but that dynamic, that enabling of her son to have this other world that nobody else has seen, to the outside world he looks ordinary but he was really invisible and that's why he felt completely persecuted and wants to scapegoat on to everyone else. nobody noticed him. he didn't feel like he had a level playing field and wanted to extend that blame to others. >> he told someone at the shooting that he had been wanting to do this for years. that's what he said. 13 guns, body armor. it would look like he's planned this a long time. but you heard even days ago there was nothing in his social media posts or online that this was coming. so when you put that together, how long do you think he planned this? >> well, there could have been a cerebral approach to this for years and years, where he's plotting in the back of his mind. he buys his first gun, his second and i like what casey said about lawn mower mother. i would say snowplow mother and this is the end result of what you get. there was definitely an amount of preplanning here, not only from a logistical and ballastical standpoint and one of the targets was aimed at just because of this person's personal life and something that happened between them. >> yes. and obviously we're trying to find out if that was in fact the case. the other thing we've learned about, whether he went into the army, discharged after one month. obviously incredibly quickly. that would mean that you faced any basic training or screening. that stands out to you? >> it does stand out to me. if we're talking about 2008, obviously he did this right out of high school. if he was already disenfranfran in high school, of course we don't know why he was dismissed, whether it was a background issue or psychological issue. that's got to have a huge effect on somebody's ego, to be booted out of the army after 30 days. it could have started back then in 2008. >> james, what about the issue of religion here? no one knows exactly what to make of this, right? you heard the reporting that he described himself as nonreligious, nonreligious but spiritual. witnesses saying he asked -- his victims if they were christians and when they said yes, you're going to see your god in a second and he shot them. what role is religion in this? if he was asking their faith? >> well, if you describe yourself as spiritual, you're probably not going to take out other people for different spirituality or religious beliefs. i'm wondering if he somehow has an affiliation or a link somehow to the irish republic army. they would even warn victims sometimes beforehand. this guy goes about it a completely different way. i'm wondering if he's relating more to isis or isil, certainly in the last six months, beheading christians and borrowing from that. this guy's mind set, his demeanor, what is edging him on seems to be all over the place and it's going to take a while to figure out anything else. >> it certainly is. he talked about online postings and animosity towards black men in particular. casey, those specifics may not match what we've seen in some other shootings but a lot of others do. when you look at newtown, adam lanza, mental health issues, isolated, close relationship with his mother, he wasn't able to connect with others so she was his conduit. that sounds eerily similar. >> he had the personality traits that we see in killers. the family, the friends, the classmate who see this leakage can prevent it simply by intervening and trying to befriend this person, trying to encourage them to get counseling. it's the person who feels completely isolated that gets on the internet, starts researching other mass murders, feels a bond with these people. it normalizes their sense of alienation and know when they find out how this person solved that feeling of alienation. they think, well, if i'm going to kill myself, might as well take as many people with me as i can so i can bask in the limelight in infamy afterwards. >> james, what do you make about the relationship with his mother which is one of the things that we know about as well as what seems to be a frustration, sexual frustration, that he was still a virgin. >> well, it's interesting. i worked the unibomb case and helped other agents involved and when i finally got into the cabin of ted kaczynski, there was his personal diary and, guess what, he wrote about being a virgin and never having a real girlfriend and he was frustrated and alienated. he wound up sending bombs to people. those are complete different kinds of people. one up close and one far away. i'm not comparing them in any way other than that particular linkage. there's all kinds of psychological factors that we're going to find out over the next few weeks and months about this guy. >> yes. >> and probably make a lot more sense then. you know what, she has some responsibility 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shooting through the doors. >> reporter: 30-year-old chris mintz tried to save lives. >> he tries to block the door to keep the gunman from coming in, gets shot three times, hits the floor. >> reporter: even after being wounded and facing the killer, his family says chris was thinking of his 6-year-old son. >> looks up at the gunman and says, it's my son's birthday today. >> reporter: but that didn't stop the gunman from shooting chris in his back, his stomach, his arms and his legs, according to miss family, chris was shot a total of seven times while trying to defend his fellow classmates. long before heroic actions at college, mintz was a star at his local high school in north carolina, number 71, defensive tackle. after graduation, joining the united states army from 2004 to 2007, achieving the rank of specialist and being awarded a national defense service medal. now with two broken legs, his focus is on healing and spending time with his family. >> his vital signs are okay. i mean, he's going to have to learn to walk again but he walked away with his life and that's more than some of the other people did. >> it's an incredible story. we're going to talk to his family in just a moment but this is going to be a long haul for them and cost a lot of money. >> yes, it is. his family put up a gofund me site not because they wanted to raise money but so many people asked how they could participate. the family asked for $10,000. right now, 340,025. s and that's from $25, $40, because people appreciate and want to help. >> jean, thank you. >> you're welcome. "outfront" tonight, for an exclusive interview, chris mintz's aunt, angela. thank you for being with us. in this horrible, horrible story, there's one story of heroism and that's your nephew. he was shot seven times. how is he doing tonight? >> he's in a lot of pain. he's had a lot of people want to talk to him but he's in so much pain, he's just not comfortable talking right now. >> i spoke briefly to your brother, chris' dad, they will perhaps have to operate on his hand, he had been shot in the stomach, in the back. do they know at all what's next for him? >> we know that there's possibly more surgeries but we also know that there's a lot of rehabilitation that's going to have to take place. it broke both of his legs. he was shot in both legs and they had to put rods in and so he's going to have rehabilitation for that. his hand was shot. we don't know what the damage was for that. he also was hit in the back with a bullet that traveled down his side and into his hip, which they decided to leave that bullet in his hip. so we just know that it's going to be a lot of rehabilitation, a lot of recovery and he's suffering a lot with some pain. >> he's suffering and he's someone who put his life on the line to save others. when he heard the gunshots, he ran but he ran towards the gunman. towards the gunman so that the gunman would stop shooting others. i mean, most people hear that and it is something almost no one can comprehend doing. he did it. does this surprise you? >> it doesn't surprise me at all. chris was also shot in the abdomen, which is also dangerous. we worry about infection for that but it doesn't surprise me with what chris did. he was always a very active and rambunctious little boy. he always thought he was invincible. that doesn't surprise me at all. i'm just very pleased and blessed, our whole family is, that he survived. >> and his father, your brother, when i was talking to him on the phone, told me that chris was there in school to become a physical therapist, to help people who were handicapped. >> yeah. chris -- chris is -- he's very physically -- you know, he does a lot of weight lifting, he eats right. he has a son that has autism and chris is very hands on as a father and helping take care of his son so that, i think, made him want to help people, especially mentally retardation and other things because chris is doing that already and he's stepped up. he manned up and he's been a great father. >> and it was his son, his 6th birthday yesterday. he told the shooter that. he told him that it was his son's 6th birthday. why do you think it was so important for him to say that at that moment? >> i think he wanted -- i'm not sure if he was trying to tell him, you know, don't do this to me on this day. it's my son's birthday. i'm not sure if that's what he meant but that's what i would assume that he meant. you know, because somebody had said that he told him, it's my son's birthday, man, don't do this. so i imagine that's what it was. but he was also one of the people that were trying to help him before the paramedics got there, said that he kept saying it over and over again, it's my son's birthday, it's my son's birthday. >> and i know your brother is going to be leaving in the morning, driving across the country to stay as long as it takes to help chris get better. but it's going to be, as you said, angela, such a long recovery. your family has set up a gofund me page to help chris. what do you need? >> well, he's going to obviously need living expenses, he'll need help with rehabilitation. fortunately, we have a great family, also. >> and how is chris' little son, who is now 6? >> you know, since he has autism, he can't speak, so we have not spoken with him, but from what we heard from his mother, you know, he's okay. he's being taken care of. her family has come up to help support her in this and help support chris. so we're glad for that. >> all right. well, angela, we are glad for your family that chris is alive. we hope that his recovery, that the pain lessens and we'll be thinking of you and your brother. >> thank you so much. we're grateful that he's alive, of course, but we want to let everybody know that we're thinking of the other victims and also the ones that were not fortunate to be able to go home. >> thank you. and "outfront" next, a missing ship. there is a frantic search for a ship sailing through hurricane joaquin. 28 americans on board. a captain with the coast guard leaving the rescue operations my guest, next. plus, historic flooding heading for the east coast as joaquin and another storm collide. we live in a world of mobile technology, but it is not the device that is mobile, it is you. real madrid have about 450 million fans. we're trying to give them all the feeling of being at the stadium. the microsoft cloud gives us the scalability to communicate exactly the content that people want to see. it will help people connect to their passion of living real madrid. big day? 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how long could they survive? >> well, our hope is that they are on the vessel still and maybe they have just lost communication, all power and that's why we're not able to communicate with them. and also, it's very difficult to see. we're using a pretty sophisticated surface search radar from this aircraft but there's so much wind, thunderstorms and sea spray that it's just difficult to see. our hope is that they are either on the vessels or on life rafts. >> and do you think if they were on life rafts with waves, what sorts of waves would they be enduring right now? >> the sea state is estimated to be between 20 and 30 feet. if they were in the life rafts, we would hope to be able to identify them. that's our hope, tomorrow morning at first sunrise, we'll have more aircraft out there searching. >> and you're confident in the right area? >> we're confident we're several searching in the right area. we are using the last known position the last time they communicated with their shipping agent. we know they are disabled so we know they are moving along with the force of the storm so we know we are in the general area. >> captain fedor, thank you very much. we hope tomorrow morning you have very good news for those families and men stranded on board. meteorologist jennifer gray is "outfront." you heard captain fedor talk about 20 to 30 feet of waves this crew could be enduring if they are indeed on life rafts if they are in the water. what could the conditions be like? >> it was downgraded to a category 3 today. they've been in category 4 conditions and not only for the missing people on the vessel but also what the captain was just saying what they are having to go through to search. these are very dangerous conditions. winds of 130, 135-mile-per-hour sustained winds with gusts up to 150. so very dangerous conditions and also the waves of 25 to 30 feet and depending on exactly where they were, they could have been right around the eye wall of that storm, the strongest portion of that storm for a very long time. the storm has been sitting right on top of the bahamas for more than 36 hours. and so it has been battering the islands, especially the central portions of the bahamas right at their last known position. erin? >> and as captain fedor said and you just alluded to it, they would have had to endured this for such a long period of time. he's hoping to establish contact with them tomorrow morning, hoping that they are alive and the weather will be better then. when do you think the weather will start to improve? 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they are believed to be in good condition at this point. that is the best information the pentagon has right now. now, what they are telling us -- again, many people are reporting this at cnn -- is that this began at 10:50 this morning when an unidentified -- >> at two different locations, people who proudly serve our country. over the last couple of hours, i have spent a lot of time with individuals who work for the city of chattanooga and hamilton county who work at our med kaical facility at erlanger who deserve our praise for the way they responded. they were amazing in what they did and we know of no active issues right now. we do know that we have four individuals who were killed who are victims. the shooter was killed at the scene as well. also one chattanooga police officer was shot in the ankle and has been treated very well at erlanger as well as other individuals who have been shot and treated. i want to say again, it is incomprehensible to see what happened and the way that individuals who proudly serve our country were treated. two different locations this individual went to and as a city we will respond to this with every available resource that we have. i have behind me individuals from the fbi, the atf, hamilton county chattanooga police department, the u.s. attorney every single resource that we can summon. this is as i said a nightmare for the city of chattanooga, one to which we'll respond. with that i'll give -- >> the shooter or the -- >> that's a fifth person. chief? >> thank you, mr. mayor. the mayor shared all of the details of the ensincident and the investigation that we're willing to share right now. our primary concern was the welfare of our community, checking on our officers and making sure that we coordinated with our partners from the county state and federal government. what we do know is that somebody brutally and brazenly attacked our armed services and the hamilton county sheriff's office responded immediately and they were able to make sure that no further loss of life happened. i'm extremely proud of them and the community of chattanooga to make sure we responded in a timely and courageous manner. thank you. >> i'm the united states attorney for the eastern district of tennessee. this is a sad day for the united states. these service members served their country with pride and they have been the victims of these shootings. we are investigating this as an active terrorism. i will turn over when i get through, to the special agent in charge ed reinhold. i have nothing but praise and congratulations to the city of chattanooga police department hamilton county sheriff's department for their quick and effective and efficient response. we have a combined federal, state and local investigation. we cannot and will not share facts of that investigation with you. at such time that we can admit certain facts or present certain facts in evidence to you, we will. that investigation will be a joint one with atf coordinating atf -- i'm sorry. with fbi coordinating with atf, homeland security tennessee's department of homeland security, chattanooga police department and others. again, we are treating this as an act of domestic terrorism. >> good afternoon. again, i want to echo the mayor and chief's comments and the u.s. attorney's comments and that is that the response by the local law enforcement was overwhelming. they were able to neutralize the threat and there is no longer a threat to the community that we are aware of. we will conduct a thorough investigation in concert with the chattanooga police department and our other partners to make sure that this matter is completely resolved. that's all i have. >> whether is your name? >> ed reinhold. >> who are you? the special agent in charge for the fbi. >> can you comment on how the gunman ended up dead? was it by his own hands or -- >> at this point, i'm not going to discuss any of that. we're at the preliminary stage of this investigation. we have active crime scenes that we're investigating right now. we have a significant amount of resources from both the fbi and chattanooga police department and other agencies that have dedicated significant resources. we expect by the end of the day we will have several hundred fbi resources on scene to conduct this investigation. >> do you no he if he shot himself or someone shot him? >> at this point, we have not conducted a complete crime scene investigation. >> you're not going to answer that question or -- >> i have a suspicion to the answer to that question. but, again, i want to make sure that the evidence confirms anything that we can say. >> are we currently at a threat level? >> no higher threat level than we were before. >> were there two separate locations? >> there were two separate locations. both were military facilities naval reserve facilities here in chattanooga. >> is there a timeline for which shooting happened first? >> i believe the one on lee highway occurred first and then i believe the chattanooga p.d. started a pursuit all of the victims killed were at the naval reserve center on amnicola highway. >> were the [ inaudible ]? >> yes, there are victims being treated at [ inaudible ]. two or three, including the police officer. >> is there any indication that this may be tied to a trial of mr. [ inaudible ]? >> we have no information that it's tied to anything. we believe he's probably from this area or at least residing in this area prior to the event. >> do you know where he was living? >> no not at this point. >> do you have [ inaudible ]? >> not that i'm aware of. again, let me emphasize, this is a brand-new investigation. we have received a lot of information at this point that we're trying to process. we want to make sure we get it right before we start releasing any type of information to the public. >> why do you think it's domestic terrorism? >> we will treat this as a terrorism investigation until it can be determined that it was not. >> what were the guns? >> numerous weapons and i won't go into detail. >> was he wearing body armor? >> not that i'm aware of. >> all semi-auto? >> i'm not going to discuss what he had on him at the time. >> was he active duty what branch of the military? >> because the families have not been notified, we're still in the process of the investigation, i'm not going to discuss that? >> [ inaudible ]. >> no. we are looking at every possible avenue whether it was terrorism, whether it was domestic international or whether it was a simple criminal act. we're looking at that. >> do you think the sheriff has confidence in chattanooga? >> again, we're not ruling out any possibilities. >> how can we follow up? >> contact the public affairs officer at our knoxville office or at our headquarters in washington, d.c. >> so you have not determined if it's an act of terrorism? >> correct. we have not determined if it was an act of terrorism or a criminal act. >> [ inaudible ]? >> again, i'm not going to discuss him at this point because we have active investigations and i don't want to put my personnel at any risk at this point. >> did the shooter die on amnicola? >> he did. yes. >> how many rounds did he shoot? >> we don't know yet. >> what time did this start? >> probably around 10:45 and ended within 30 minutes. >> are any of the military installations in the state or in this area also on lockdown or on alert at this time? >> we have notified the other facilities in the state of tennessee tennessee in the area. it was their decision whether to go into lockdown or not. >> is this a terrorist investigation and crime investigation? >> it's a determination of the motivation. >> so the motive determines whether it's motive or just crime? >> correct. >> and what's the difference between the two? >> a disgruntled employee -- and that's just an example -- he did not work at the facility. that would not be an act of terrorism. but if he's motivated by isil that would be an act of terrorism. >> do you know if he had a motive or any connection to the marines that he killed? >> we do not, no. >> people still locked down the businesses is that lock down lifted or is it at the discretion of the business? >> chief? >> we have officers from my jurisdiction and from neighboring jurisdictions making sure everybody in this community, wherever they are, are safe. that decision is made by the business owners and homeowners. we have sent units to anyplace that might need them. >> is it possible people could be staying the night at their places? >> absolutely. if they need help they should call 911 and chattanooga police is here to help them. >> are recruitment centers gun-free zones? >> i don't know the answer to that. it's federal property. typically, someone cannot bring a weapon into federal property unless they are authorized to do so. >> what steps are going to happen now in the investigation? what steps are we taking? >> we're going to look at the shooter, we're going to do an intense look at him to see if -- what his connections are. we'll look at his friends, family associates anybody associated with him to determine the cause or the reason why he conducted his attack. >> will the surveillance from the nsa be used to determine his use of his phone, his computer his searches and other things like that? >> i would say the fbi will use any and all means of veilable to conduct a thorough investigation. >> how old was the suspect? >> i don't know yet. >> did very a phone? >> i'm not going to discuss what he had with him at the time. >> was chattanooga ever designated a no-fly zone today? >> i believe it was over the crime scene. >> we believe it was a single shooter. no reason to believe it was anybody else at this time. >> [ inaudible ]. >> it's about a 15-mile distance. so probably five minutes between the two shootings. he was in a vehicle but i'm not going to describe it. you've probably already seen it. >> was there any prior indication that there might be an attack today? >> no. we have no intelligence that there was going to be an attack today. >> [ inaudible ]. >> he was involved in the pursuit and engaged the individual at that amnicola -- the location there. >> is that the officer who was injured in the gunfire? >> i believe it is, yes. >> chief? >> there were numerous chattanooga and hamilton county officers who responded. they arrived on the seen extremely quickly and actively and enthusiastically engaged this criminal. one was injured by gunfire by this criminal. >> so you don't know [ inaudible ]? >> we are confirming that. there were several officers involved. they responded very very quickly. this incident occurred very close to where you're standing right now which shows the brazen nature of the act. police officers came from around the community to make sure that everybody was safe. >> let me say one more thing. do not get caught up in labels. the fbi and other agencies are going to investigate this case thoroughly. they will determine, after the facts are determined whether it's an act of terrorism at all, whether it's a crime and what the nature of that crime is or whether it's a combination of those and i would encourage you not to put a label to the investigation at this point, whether it be international domestic or any other kind of terrorism, including criminal acts. >> the spying system for the nsa is very good at recreating -- [ inaudible ]. was that at all used for the build-up of this computation? >> i will tell you that the fbi and other agencies will use every resource and personnel they have to thoroughly investigate that case and they are doing that as we speak. they will continue to. >> do you know if the shooter was former military? >> we don't have any information on that. no comment. >> are you going to go into his home to see if he had anything there? is there an investigation going on there right now? >> the fbi and other agencies are thoroughly investigating this case. they will use every mechanism, every procedure and every available resource to do so. >> all right. thank you all very much. we'll update you when we have something new to report. thank you. >> you just heard from officials there on the ground in chattanooga, tennessee, with new information. here's what we're learning. that four people were killed and also the gunman in addition to those four that were killed at the naval reserve center the shooter, we're told began the shooting at a strip mall where the recruitment center is and then a chase ensued pursing the shooter and then four people were killed at na naval reserve center. a five-minute time span between the two shootings and the shooter was killed at that scene. officials say that he lived in the area. the shooter apparently lived in the area. the mayor saying that this is a, quote, nightmare. the prosecutor also saying that this was an act of terrorism and then backtracked on that. there's a big question on that. we're going to analyze it in a moment right after we go to our correspondent barbara starr because she has new information. barbara? >> a senior defense official has just told us that they now can confirm, indeed that the four personnel killed were indeed united states marines. the pentagon saying very quietly that yes, they were -- there were four marines that were killed in this incident. their families of course, at this hour now being notified. so this is automatically a very sensitive situation, as you ca imagine, for the u.s. military. we talked a few minutes ago about how the pentagon would know very quickly if any of its personnel were killed and apparently it took some time for this word to filter through the system through the marine corps, through the military services and come to the pentagon. the information we are being given is that the four marines were killed at the second shooting site not at the strip mall site but the shooter apparently drove to another site fired there and the indication that the pentagon has is that this is where the marines were killed. in addition -- and i think it was addressed in the press conference the military going now through all of its databases with the identity of the shooter, which we do not know to see if this person potentially had any prior military service. but this incident began shortly before 11:00 this morning east coast time when this still unidentified male drove up to this strip mall recruiting station, opened fire through the door. we see that door full of bullet holes. there was military person injured there and then drove on to this other site a short distance away and, apparently by all accounts now, four marines killed there. at the moment the pentagon not really able to answer whether they are treating this as an incident of terrorism. certainly domestic law enforcement is taking the major lead role in this but they are looking to see, could the shooter have had prior military service? is there anything that they might know about this person that would help them know and explain what happened here. pamela? >> barbara starr reporting that four marines were killed in that shooting at the naval reserve center. i'm now going to bring in cnn's victor blackwell. he's at the shooting at the strip mall where this all began. what can you tell us? >> reporter: pamela seemingly on queue, as we heard from authorities that this is a federal investigation and federal authorities would be taking a large role here they showed up. the number of personnel and investigators here on the scene at lee highway doubled, possibly tripled in that time. we saw the handshakes. look over here in the parking lot. you've got some members of the military who are now leaving the scene. we have seen the atf show up here we have several members of the local sheriff's office and the police department. but again, this is a federal investigation and they showed up in force. one person also who showed up here pamela is chris carpenter. 26 years old, has lived in this community his whole life. tell me what you came here to do and why you came here chris? >> i came here to place flowers at this unfortunate scene here in our city and recognition that comes from my family and myself just to show that my heart goes out to the people who have lost their lives and the people that were injured. >> now, you've told me that your friends have a connection to this location. >> reporter: a few of them do yeah. >> reporter: how so? >> well a lot of them are marines. my best friend he's in the national guard and i was letting him know about the things that happened today and he had to report to work because he's a police officer. >> you told me that they were recruited through this office? >> yes. one of my friends worked there before she got stationed off to california. >> reporter: now, when you heard about this you were not too far from this location but you had to check on family near the other location. tell me about that. >> that's right. i was actually dining at a restaurant when it happened and i see a few police cruisers wiz by. i had to make sure that my family was okay. >> because you were very close to the amnicola location? >> yes. it's down maybe a couple of miles away from where my parents live. >> chris carpenter, thank you for coming to speak with us came here to place flowers. we now know how the city is responding. we'll see in the next few hours how the people are going to respond to this heinous act that occurred here today. >> harry houck and john gilliam is joining me. we heard from the prosecutor that this is an act of domestic terrorism. he didn't mince words there. we don't know if it's international terrorism or domestic terrorism. the prosecutor comes back and pulls back on what he said before. julia, what do you make of all of that? >> as a legal party, there's a difference between terror which this clearly was, and terrorism. you don't just say it's domestic terrorism and not explain why. look if this was a vendetta someone who tried to join the military and didn't get in and shoots military people and kills them that is terror but it's not terrorism as a legal issue it's killing for technical purposes. not every active shooter case is terrorism. to just say that and step away suggests to me that either someone whispered in his ear don't say that and then said let's do one step at a time. because it's all about motive and we don't know motive yet. >> does it make you think that they know more than they are letting on? because that's a strong statement to come out and say that that this is an act of domestic terrorism. >> and they are still trying to piece this together. >> one thing you have to realize, you were just saying about terrorism, it's a tactic. it's a tactic used to change the political atmosphere. terror is something that you inflict on somebody by doing something, a crime. so when you do inflict terrorism, you're using terror to inflict political change. whether whether or not it was motivated by somebody who lives inside of the united states and has a vendetta against the government or somebody connected to an international terrorism type of group like isis that's going to be the difference between international and domestic terror. >> they weren't able to defend themselves at the time that this occurred and we're going to have to start beefing up security. we need people that are armed. the police were chasing them at the time when he got done. not saying the police did anything wrong because they acted admirably but we need these places protected, armed people at these locations and we're lucky this is not on a friday. usually reserves come on a friday or friday afternoon or night. there could have been a dozen people there. >> this is a perfect soft target because it's not fortified like a military base or guard base and yet it is symbolic for a variety of reasons and that's what makes this big issue. certainly the other thing i would add, this is going to make the pentagon rethink its force protection. generally recruitment facilities are left open because they are kind of hr places. you bring people in to try to convince them to join the military. the pentagon is going to have to think about protection of these sites. >> jonathan are you surprised, given the fact that there have been all of these threats against u.s. military in recent months the fbi has been sending out warnings repeatedly because isis has been pushing for the killing of military members? are you surprised that these military facilities are not better protected and that something like this could happen? >> am i surprised about it? no. the reason is we have inflicted upon ourselves political correctness when it comes to what defense is. people don't want to see these types of things. this is a strip mall. when it comes to terrorism, the strip mall itself could have been a target. you can see the government is the target here. these installations are just open invitations to come here. if you don't like the military come here and attack here because there's no security here. and for some reason they let marines in this case they train them to carry weapons into battle and to defend justice but when they come home for some reason they are not capable of carrying a weapon? that's something we definitely need to look at. >> i'm sure this will raise a lot of those questions and certainly spark some debate here. i want to bring in james fitzgerald. thanks for being on with us james. i first want to ask you, as we just discussed, in the press conference we heard the prosecutor say initially this was an act of domestic terrorism and then backtracked on that. but what would make it an act of terrorism and how would that change the investigation at all or inform the investigation? >> well as the fbi stated the investigation taking place right now is your very basic crime scene investigation. there are at least four scenes where the two shootings occurred where the death of the gunman occurred as well as where he lived. and there may even be multiple subcrime scenes after that. so there's all kinds of investigations. i don't think anybody in the fbi right now at the command center in the process of being set up is concerned with are we working a domestic incident or international. down the line it can be determined otherwise. right now the worker bees are just worried about, of course is everybody safe let's collect the evidence and find out what this guy's motivation might have been. >> for people they want to know because there's been so much talk about terrorism, isis pushing the military and media. so how would you go about in the investigation determining or ruling out, ruling in, whether it's don't domestic terrorism? >> there is going to be a psychology done on this gunman. obviously it's been stated by your panel earlier, everything this guy owned from the letters he's been receiving, sending out, any way that that can be determined but internet cell phone activity who he's talking to. this guy was obviously mission oriented. he had two targets, maybe even a third one set up. he may not have expected to get past the first one and we don't know if this was suicide by cop, suicide indirectly by military. he made it to two targets at least and you know there was some preplanning here with the number of weaponry he had with him and caliber of weapon that can sustain the damage that he wanted done. so his motivation will tell us a whole lot more about this guy and whether this was a representational target and whether it was one of these people that were the ones that he actually had in mind and maybe he wasn't sure where he was on a certain day but he's going to take out as many places as he could. >> james fitzgerald thank you very much. we're following other breaking news out of colorado. a verdict has been reached in the trial of james holmes. that's the suspect in that aurora colorado shooting hearing. that is right after this quick break. stay with us as we continue to follow all of this breaking news. if you have moderate to severe rheumatoid arthritis like me... and you're talking to a rheumatologist about a biologic this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain and protect my joints from further damage. this is humira helping me reach for more. doctors have been prescribing humira for more than 10 years. humira works for many adults. it targets and helps to block a specific source of inflammation that contrubutes to ra symptoms. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal infections and cancers including lymphoma have happened, as have blood liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions and new or worsening heart failure. before treatment get tested for tb. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common, and if you've had tb hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. talk to your doctor and visit humira.com this is humira at work. let's say both of your kids are going on a trip, but they each have to ride in a different vehicle. the chevrolet traverse has a 5-star overall vehicle score for safety. the honda pilot does not. which child goes in which vehicle? 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neil can you hear me? >> yes, ma'am. >> okay just if you would, help us understand now that we know the shooter is deceased four marines have been killed where does the investigation go from here? >> apparently the fbi is in charge of coordinating the investigation. the fbi along with the atf as well as local state and law enforcement agencies will be assisting their lead. >> neal can you give us any understanding? because we heard in the press conference that the shooter apparently lived in the area. can you give us any understanding, at this early stage of the investigation, what the motivation may have been whether the shooter had any ties to the military? >> i have no information with regard to the motive. it's too early in the investigation to determine that. but hopefully through time it will be developed. >> earlier when the shooting began around 10:50, i'm sure you were alerted very early on can you tell us how it was as things were unfolding, shootings at two different places a naval reserve center and a few miles away where it all began. tell us what unfolded earlier today there in chattanooga. >> well i was at the office and started getting a bunch of phone calls and messages that the lee highway shooting was first followed by the shooting on amnicola highway where everything ended. and the amnicola highway area where the shooting occurred is no more than a mile from the city police department and the 911 center and the fire department. >> okay. >> so it's just been kind of a huge influx of law enforcement and lots of information that we've been trying to process. >> i know. a lot of law enforcement converged on that area. neal pinkston thank you very much. i want to bring in our panel to discuss more about this investigation. juliette kayyem jonathan gilliam and harry houck. first to you, juliette four marines were killed in this shooting. how does something like this happen? >> this is probably a well-planned attack or the assailant tried to figure out where can the military be and when can i get them unharmed. i know there are people wondering why aren't the military personnel armed. there is a history as to why they are not armed when not in sort of the conduct of war. it's a law and we generally, unlike latin american countries, do not have military with guns walking around domestic streets and shopping malls, as we've seen. that's why they are unarmed. they are also unarmed because recruitment centers are in shopping malls, they are open in places where you wouldn't anticipate an attack. this is clearly going to make the pentagon have to rethink a variety of rules regarding the security of the recruitment centers as well as the arming of personnel when they are doing a military function like recruiting soldiers. so there was a reason for it. it may seem odd, why aren't they armed? i want to make it clear to viewers, that's why. >> people are conwondering how something like this could happen. jonathan we know that the military is the target of a lot of threats, especially recently on the terrorism threat on the isis front. you would think that there would be more security more protection. do you think these facilities are soft targets for people who want to go after the military? >> absolutely. they are the definition of a soft target and they are the definition of a soft target that's been attacked again and again. we just have to come to a realization that recruitment centers are basically an unprotected arm or branch of the government that is easily accessible. it's a catch 22 because you have to be accessible in order for people to come in and sign up or get information. however, milking them into strip malls or facilities where people go, which is also soft targets you're taking that because you're not recognizing it, and sticking it right in the middle of where massive amounts of civilians go every day. these are things that have to be rethought and for all of the toernts out attorneys out there, we have to start looking around and see what is legally correct and what is going to have to be effective because things are changing in this world. >> i want to explain to viewers why there are these rules. what i want to make clear, it's not a good idea to throw away 100 years of tradition ten minutes after four marines were killed. that's why there is this balancing going on. it may be that the pentagon ought to rethink what it considers as soft targets but we're essentially a couple hours out of a major killing. >> right. but we've always got to wait before an attack. we're not proactive. they can have military police there, military police in plain clothes, something like that where these guys can be guarded so something like this doesn't occur. >> what strikes me the bottom line is four marines have lost their lives. this was done by one person. this is what i've been hearing from my law enforcement sources, that you have a relatively unsophisticated tactic here. >> this is why we are so vulnerable. any lone gunman can go out and buy a semiautomatic weapon and unload it somewhere and that's what is really scary about these attacks. we have no way of finding out about this. just one guy plans it himself, says friday i'm going to go shoot up the recruitment center or mall that's what is very dangerous about this. >> and we know that law enforcement actively investigating right now the fbi as well as the atf. i want to bring informer atf assistant director mike pouchard. tell us what is happening with the atf. we were just talking about the weapons used in this shooting. i imagine tracing those weapons is a key part of that investigation. >> right. what's going on now with the incident commanders they are setting up their command posts and making sure they have all of the components. there's a separate desk for investigative leads, a separate one for interviews evidence, press, all of these different things. they are bringing together the experts that they have and they have a lot of different experts from different agencies putting their team together to go out and start interviewing. with respect to the rifle, they are going to trace that gun to see if he bought it himself or someone bought it for him. if someone bought it for him, they could obviously be an accessory. they will see if he spoke to anyone on social media, see if there are co-conspirators. >> and similar investigations -- because right now we're waiting for information. frankly, law enforcement is trying to figure it out. are there normally mike preevent indicators warning signs before we see situations like this? >> unfortunately, we find out there were after the incidents happen and it's often on social media and people tend to say, well he did act a little crazy lately, he was making idle threats but i didn't take him seriously. see something, say something. the more we see of these incidents and hear of people later on who saw signs ahead of time we can avert some of the tragedies if people speak up sooner. >> you spoke about the trace of the rifle. why is that so important? what can the trace tell snusus? >> the trace will tell us who bought it and where they bought it. you know if the person lied on the form obviously he's dead so it doesn't matter if he lied on the form. but if he had someone else buy it for him, that's very important because that makes that person an accessory now possibly to murder if they can prove that that person bought it knowing that this person was going to go out and commit a crime with it. >> mike bouchard, thank you very much. we're following two big breaking news stories. a verdict has been reached out of colorado in the trial of james holmes and we're following the tragedy in chattanooga, tennessee, the death of four marines and the shooting right after this quick break we'll have more information. be sure to stick around. welcome back. we continue to follow the shooting in chattanooga, tennessee, where four marines have been killed. the shooter was killed at the scene. we're told by authorities. i want to go to victor blackwell now. he's at one of the scenes where the shooting happened. victor i'm going to bring you in. you're at the strip mall there at the recruitment center. what are you seeing what are you hearing there on the ground? >> reporter: i wasn't dialed in. >> we're having technical issues. victor can you hear me? okay. okay. we're going to go back to victor soon. we're having technical issues. i want to bring back our panel, juliette kayyem jonathan gilliam and harry houck. we see members of the uld you be doing? what stands out to you? >> it's going to go in several different directions very quickly. you're looking for pieces of a puzzle. do you have evidence response team you have investigators being tasked with leads. if they find out the identity of this individual they're going to send it off to people who are going to scrub the databases sources any open-source material they'll try to find facebook twitter accounts. so you have investigators literally going like an explosion themselves out to all these different areas to collect this information to bring it back and say, hey, i have this piece of a puzzle. and then if they fit or maybe one piece is so big that it literally gives you three quarters of an entire pickett, that's the ultimate piece you're looking for. often that's something that happens. >> what is the priority as this investigation is happening. the shooter is deceased four marines have been killed. what's the priority? >> that there's not another assailant out there. the dead suspect is the middle of the bull's-eye. that's priority number 1, 2 and 3, to be honest. honestly because the assailant is dead the investigation will be who did he know? who was he working with? what were the reasons? getting to motive. that's why we're being careful what we are calling this because we just don't know anything right now. >> identifying the shooter is key. once you have the shooter identified you can work from there. we can go through his apartment, his computer did any of his friends know anything was there any indication? did somebody keep quiet? these are some of the questions we'll have to happen. >> i imagine it's a mad scramble. i want to go back to the scene where one of the shootings happened and have our victor blackwell join us again. i think we worked out the technical issues. are you there? >> i here pamela. i had a conversation with the property manager here as all of this is settling in. he knows personally the people who worked inside the recruitment center here. in fact he rushed here and then rushed in and snapped a couple pictures. i understand we have those that we can put up. as bad as things look on the outside, he said he was just heartbroken when we walked in and saw the mess inside. there were recruiters who were shuffling about to find out if everyone was okay. he says that on any given day there's about 15 to 18 recruiters inside with the four branches of the military and the national guard. on this day he says there was no one from the navy inside but again cnn has not been able to independently confirm that. his name is keith weedily. he is the person who saw a gentleman outside who appeared to have been injured in this situation. let me come back live if we haven't already. first, if you can zoom into what is beginning to be a memorial. we saw a man put some flowers under that tree. if you see under this lamppost someone has brought a flag here and a handwritten sign that just says in our thoughts and prayers, and brought that vase of red roses. we've talked a lot over the last several house, how the law enforcement will respond, is the police the atf, the fbi, how they are responding. we'll see how the people of this country and of this city are responding and we're starting to get a glimpse of that now with the flowers and flag coming here. a few prayers, alternates patriotism coming here as we're seeing this investigation bloom with the atf, the fbi, and all of the authorities coming here to figure out exactly what motivated this person to conduct the heinous act that happened here today. >> thank you so much, victor. it's remarkabling to the damage there, the fact that no one was killed at this scene. >> that's a miracle. >> can i just say one thing? i love when lawyers use technical terms. you said the assailant. that's important here. this is still a fluid situation. even though this shooter is dead and it was a male we don't know the reality of the big picture. there could be follow-on attacks. my biggest concern is groups inspired by isis who may move on this is they're going to use females. they're going to use younger people. we have to start being aware -- we're not using scare tactics. >> we don't know -- >> if this could spurn our people to do this. especially when it comes to terrorism, it could be a female. >> whatever this is any good law enforcement agency and this is being run out of the fbi, is always going to think could there be another? terrorist organization as we know work in threes fours or fives in terms of the sequential attacks. it doesn't mean it's terrorism, but if you want to know what they are doing now, others in other recruitment facilities either in tennessee or nationwide aren't going to be soft targets as well. that's basic law enforcement. why is it important to rule in or rule out terrorism? >> i don't care what we call it right now. all you want to do is makes issue you protect as many citizens as possible figure out if there are any others out there. then the lawyers bringing the case can decide what it is right? so right now, people out on the field, they're just trying to -- >> it is identities -- >> it's going in a million places. >> i hate when they had these press conferences with several different groups and one guys stick a foot in his mouth. like the last one we had, all right, so they should have like one guy go out and talk give us the information we require and then back off. stand by. we've got to get more information in today, more on the breaking news in just a moment but first we just received an update moments ago on the condition of former president george h.w. bush. doctors say he remains in fair condition after falling at his summer home in maine. he broke a vertebra in his neck according to a family spokesman, he was never disoriented and the injure did not result in neurological problems. president obama we learned called bush earlier today and wished hiv a speedy recoveries. we'll be brack with our breaking news out of the chattanooga and colorado right after this this break. 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[chuckles] he's supposed to pick one of us. this is a joke, right? that was the whole point of us being here. welcome to "the lead." i'm john berman in for jake tapper. an act of domestic terrorism. that's what a u.s. attorney calls the carnage in chattanooga. first a recruitment center then a naval research center a few miles away. the pentagon confirms that four marines were killed at the naval operation center three people were wounded including a police officer who engaged the shooter. city officials say the attacker is dead. the fbi believes the shooter acted alone and did live in the chattanooga area. it all started shortly before 11:00 a.m. one shot and then it was just endless shots. that's how a witness described the first attack and that is the location where there were only people wounded, no one killed there. you can imagine what it was likety second locations. this is the aftermath, bullet after bullet just too many to count ripping through the storefront of that recruitment center. officials quickly locked down the city. cnn is digging on multiple fronts right now. there are a lot of open questions. we're pressing federal and local
bombs found there, including this one that would have been detonated with a remote control car. this, a bag full of possible pipe bombs. in this hour, we're going to take a closer look at the shooters. we're going to talk to their next door neighbor. she says they were a happy, seemingly normal pair. we're going to speak to a co-worker who sat next to farook every day. he was in that office complex when farook and his wife opened fire. so much breaking developments tonight. we begin with kyung lah who is "outfront" in san bernardino. you've been talking to farook's co-workers and they even threw a baby shower not that long ago. did they see any sign of a change? >> reporter: no signs. and that baby shower is an occasion that they were so friendly with one another that they wanted to celebrate the birth of his baby daughter. he was someone, as they described, as being mild mannered, not a man that they ever imagined at their holiday party would hatch a plan and try to kill them. [ sirens ] just minutes before the killers opened fire on the holiday party, patrick pikari left to use the bathroom when the attacks started. >> i thought somebody booby-trapped the towel dispenser. i looked back at the mirror and i could see i was bleeding. >> reporter: pikari hid in the bathroom while syed farook and his wife fired off 75 rounds while killing 14 people. they talked about cars, farook's 6 month old daughter, regular chat between two co-workers. why do you think he did this? >> well, i think his beliefs were contrary to our american dreams. you would think that somebody that's working to the capacity and education level that you are has similar respect, values. >> reporter: law enforcement officials tell cnn that farook was apparently radicalized and in touch with people being investigated by the fbi, talking by phone and on social media with more than one person being investigated for terrorism. but a law enforcement source says those talks were infrequent. the last one had been a few months ago, not raising any alarms. no red flags either, say u.s. and saudi government officials when farook went to saudi arabia. the fbi says the 28-year-old had also traveled to pakistan. the couple's landlord who rented the apartment they would later fill with weapons and bomb-making materials saw no sign this was coming. >> it's beyond my comprehension. because they seemed like such a gentle, mild person. so i don't know. you just can't tell a book by its cover. >> reporter: farook's brother-in-law didn't know. >> i have no idea. why would he do that? why would he do something like this? i have absolutely no idea. i am in shock myself. >> reporter: a sentiment echoed by patrick baccari. >> who wants to call their 16-year-old kid who say they just survived the attack. there's many people that didn't. >> reporter: baccari says the multiple bullet fragments in his body will stay, too risky to remove. what also remains, confusion, the man he so closely knew did this, now turning to anger and fear. >> i believe every citizen here should be armed to defend themselves in case of this happening but that's not everybody else's belief. i couldn't have defended anybody from the position i was in, even if i was armed. but at least if they tried to come in and get us in that restroom, i would have had some way of protecting the rest of us. >> reporter: now, if there's any clue to violence in farook's past, in his parents' divorce records filed in 2008, his mother says her ex-husband was extremely violent, abusive, that he pushed her against the car and it's something that the children witnessed, he would threaten suicide and even threw a television on her. she even filed a temporary restraining order, violence that seemed to elude farook's life but as an adult, erin, when he came to the irc, as police continue to comb through this, they still have so many questions about how someone, who was so mild-man dernered on the outside could have committed such a violent, violent act. >> kyung lah, thank you very much. we're learning more about his family. i want to go now to pamela brown also in san bernardino. pam, you've been looking at the relationship between the shooters, between farook and his wife. this is one of the most bizarre and important parts of the story. what have you learned? >> reporter: that's right. we've learned, according to officials we've been speaking with that it's believed that syed farook met his wife in saudi arabia in the summer of 2014. the last recorded trip he had there was during that summer. he was there for nine days. that is when they believe he met his wife. she then came back to the united states on a fiancee visa and obtained a green card and became a legal permanent resident from there. and frankly, that's all we've been able to learn about their relationship because investigators say these were two people who were not on their radar. these were people who weren't on watch lists, that they didn't have -- they are trying to learn more about this relationship and how this was missed. we've learned that officials, the fbi has been interviewing their family members and we're told that they have been cooperating but in terms of a motive, that's still unclear at this hour. erin? >> pamela, you know, not only are there so many questions about them, it's so unusual that they could have been so off the radar. we also know that it looks likely that they were actually preparing additional attacks. is that right? >> reporter: that's right. in fact, we've learned that they had what appeared to be an ad hoc bomb lamb in the home. farook's mother, there were 12 explosive devices that were there inside that home, including 4500 rounds of ammunition and remote control cars that they believe they may have intended to use for the explosi explosives. so really a cache of weapons and that's part of the reason that in addition to why farook was in touch with terrorism suspects, although they were not high-prior tea suspects, they are questioning wll he could have been radicalized and whether this could have been a workplace dispute or perhaps a blend of both. erin? >> all right. thank you very much. amy larson lives next door to the shooters. you lived next door to them for about six months. what were they like? >> reporter: they just seemed like just regular neighbors, kind of kept to themselves, cordial and i would see a gentleman come home from work and we'd greet each other and say hi, smile, met his mother, i believe, and the woman that lived there. i didn't know their names. >> you didn't know their names. >> at the time. but -- >> i know that obviously now you're thinking, gosh, you lived so close to them. police found pipe bombs in the house. >> right. >> thousands of rounds of ammunition. looking back now, annie, do you see any clues of what was actually happening? >> in retrospect, there's always things that you can see. of note lately, they just kept receiving multiple packages but it's christmastime and that seemed pretty normal. i know he did work in his garage pretty regularly, sometimes the door opened, times it was closed. so i didn't really think of any -- i didn't notice anything particularly abnormal for the area in which i live. >> what were they like as couple? did you notice anything there? or just seeming to be very normal american couple? >> yeah. normal. he was happy. i would see him smile. kind of entering the house and -- we share backyard fences and can hear -- you can hear each other if you're in the back and could hear the baby that they have there making baby sounds and seemed happy and just norm normal, a normal life. >> you have a baby yourself. i have a baby myself. >> yes. >> the fact that they had a baby here is one of the most impossible things to understand. i mean, you saw them. did they seem excited about this new baby? did you have any feelings or see tashfeen interact with her baby? what did you see? >> just seemed like they were regular moms and dads doing normal life. nothing really stood out. seemed happy to be together. so -- >> how do you feel now, annie, that knowing that this was happening right next door to you? as you say, this was -- this was adjacent to your home. this was touching your home. >> reporte >> i think the biggest thing that say parent probably in my face is sadness. sadness for our community, sadness for the lives that have been lost. sadness that glimmer of hope seems to keep dissipating in the madness of the world. but there's always hope and hope will always prevail. >> annie, when was the last time you saw them? >> i think it was sunday afternoon. i could see them through the fence. they just seemed happy. they were both kind of in and out of the house there on the patio. >> they seemed totally normal. >> totally normal. no idea. >> well, annie, thank you very much for being with me. >> you're welcome. best to you. art roderick is joining me, former investigations for the u.s. marshals. she said she had no idea. could someone do what they were doing, and building, how easy is it to do this undetected? >> well, i mean, i think we've heard this description of individuals before that have gone out and committed heinous crimes. oh, they were a normal person. they were nice to me. they waved to me. i think you hit on it, erin. that 6-month-old baby. how could they leave that 6-month-old baby and commit a crime like this? and whether it's -- it hasn't been totally pinned down yet whether they were radicalized by someone, whether this was workplace violence. but i can't see this being workplace violence when you have the tactics that they used, which we have seen used in other terrorist attacks around the world. to leave that 6-month-old child without any parents to, me, again, points another finger in the direction of being radicalized. >> yeah. we just heard annie say how normal they seemed, and normal with their baby. how is that possible? the co-worker said that, too. everybody has said that. no one has said there was any sign of radicalization. >> yeah. i mean, they don't want to -- none of these people that become radicalized actually want to attract a lot of attention. once you attract a lot of attention, you start attracting law enforcement or neighbors are going to start talking and word gets back to law enforcement. this is a bizarre set of circumstances from a to z. this whole scenario, whether it's a hybrid, radicalization or workplace violence, this whole scenario is very bizarre and i think we're seeing something brand new here. >> certainly something brand new. art is going to stay with me. next, the male shooter traveled to saudi arabia and pakistan, communicated with terror suspects. did u.s. intelligence meet multiple red flags. and their home was loaded with guns and bomb-making materials. what do we know about another imminent attack. and new details on the massive attack that ended with two dead suspects? 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"outfront" now, i want to go to former ccia bob baer and former assistant investigations for the u.s. marshals art roderick and james fitzgerald. james, do you have sany doubt that this was islamic terrorism? >> no indications that these people have reached out for workplace violence jihadist training camps or cells. so we do know that they've reached out for and i have actually visited farook himself other countries and it was possible that he was in a training camp there. we certainly see through his tenicles that he's reached out for people on the list and well known to the fbi. they may not have been big players yet but they are certainly on the score card and it's no doubt that he had some level of radicalization from these people and from visits to the other countries. >> bob, we know that farook himself travelled to saudi arabia, met his wife there. that was back in 2014, though. and we know he didn't return and immediately start, for example, doing anything obvious, like growing his beard. that happened later. there were no signs from anyone, from his neighbors, his co-workers, guy who sat next to him, people we've talked to on this show, of him being radicalized. do you think that that trip to saudi arabia was crucial to this attack or not? >> well, i can speculate but saudi arabia is a mess. when this shooting started and the fact that he had gone to saudi arabia, he met his wife there, been to the rest of it, people came back and said saudi arabia is a recruiting ground for the islamic state for al qaeda. it doesn't mean that he was recruited there but he certainly would have heard arguments that you have to take the jihad to the united states. i mean, that doesn't mean he was sent. i don't mean that at all. he just would have heard this, especially in mecca. the saudis are very upset about what is happening in iraq and syria. he would have heard a lot of this and we don't know about his wife. also, what was she doing in saudi arabia and the fact that they went there, they were looking for their roots and found a purified form of islam. >> uh-huh. >> which leads to islam. and somehow they expected those roles and the more i see this, the more i know that indeed is what happened. >> art, i want to ask you about his childhood. allegations that his mother was beat by his father. his mother set up an online profile for him, enjoyed target practice in the backyard. these are things that seem to fit the profile of other horrific attacks, like even in the newtown shootings. how important are these things? >> erin, i think that the key part here is even in newtown, there were psychological issues going on here. we don't specifically though that about this individual. i think a lot of people grow up, unfortunately, in this country under that type of parenting and a lot of them don't go out and kill 14 people and wound another 19. so as much as we hear about a horrible childhood we have, i don't think we should be betting on the fact that that's why he went out and did this. >> to the point you're making, the gunman's older brother was a decorated veteran. he won several medals. including the global counterterrorism medal. how significant is that revelation to you, art? >> that just goes more to my point that, again, a lot of people grow up in these but they turn out to be fine later on in life. why do they go out and do this, were they radicalized, were they not radicalized. to me, all of this points to radicalization. >> and james, do you think he should have been on the united states' radar? evan is pointing out that they have too many people like this on the radar. are they going to look back and say, this was a mistake? or not? >> well, i'm still in touch with my colleagues in the fbi and they feel to some degree their hands are tied. they are doing the best they can. they realize there's all sorts of political and jurisdictional issues that have to be addressed here but there's a lot that could be done in a case such as this. most likely should have been, whether it's a mistake or not, who knows. i can say this, there's probably out there right now, the fbi is watching. they may do nothing and unfortunately there are people they know nothing about who may strike next. >> thank you all very much. we're going to talk much more about farook's wife, the other shooter in a moment. and next, the shooter planned a very quick strike and fast getaway. they had at home a bomb-making lab. the big question is, what is the next attack that they were planning? we have more information on that after this break. and the family of one of the shooters speaks out. 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>> reporter: well, the home -- you use the word astonishing, that they had this incredible arsenal inside the home and certainly helps us understand why the police were being so cautious about entering their home. remember, the process was extremely long. they used robots to go in. they had a reason. look at this list we've obtained from the police about what they found inside this home. 12 pipe bomb-type devices, bomb materials and tools, 2,000 9 millimeter rounds. 2500 .223 caliber rounds and several hundred long-rifle rounds. that's simply what police found inside the home and then after that shootout between the suv, the two gunmen inside the suv and law enforcement, then when they approach and saw the two bodies, here's what they found on the killers themselves. more than 1400 .223 caliber rounds and more than 200 9 millimeter rounds. not only was there planning for this attack, but when you look at what they found, that's why some experts are saying that they wonder whether this was simply one attack or there might be something further down the line. >> key yauyung lah, thank you. bobby, let me start with you. we know syed farook may have been radicalized but what about his wife? when police announced that there were two shooters and one of them was a female, pretty much everyone for a moment their jaws dropped. how do you explain her role in this? >> it's hard to explain currently. i'm sure the investigators are looking into her background. it's going to be a little more difficult to determine her role because she lived overseas until recently. it could be that she was the catalyst for the end of game radicalization on his part. he was radicalized over the internet. obviously he was in contact with people over there. they could have been tracking his level of radicalization and insert her into his scenario towards the end game to be kind of a catalyst to set him in motion. >> and jim, let me ask you, though, in terms of her role, she obviously is crucial to this story in every way. she had a job in saudi arabia. she was a pharmacist. you know, having done reporting there, this is a country that has the lowest rate of female engagement in the country than any other country in the world. her having had a job, at least at the surface level, she would appear far from radicalized. >> well, i think she was obviously intelligent. she had a job because she rose to the top of the workforce, the female workforce. but i agree with bobby, this could really be a case of romantic radicalization. he was actually targeted by the people who wanted to convert him or push him into radicalization and pushed this woman towards him so that she could push him over the edge and actually complete the job. >> so it's interesting -- >> it's also possible he went there with the specific intent to find a woman like that. >> right. so it could go either way. the crucial part about her role, they had a new baby, a 6-month new baby. the guy who sat next to him told our kyung lah that they had a baby shower for him, and she's the mother of a 6-month-old. it's unnatural for her to do what she did. what could explain that, to leave a new baby, drop it off with someone else in the morning and then go, knowing that you would at the least never see that baby again? >> well, i think it does -- it is very unnatural and it's something that would have taken a tremendous amount of effort to do on her part. that means that the level of her commitment to this cause had to be extremely high. and that's why i believe that she was already radicalized and he, in turn, her. she was able to act calmly in this tactical assault and the shootout with the police. that's the kind of thing that only comes with practice and massive preparation. she was definitely trained and prepared for this kind of event. i think they were going out in a hail of bullets either way. and that was their plan. >> bobby, how much training do you think she had? to emphasize, when he went and did the attack, when they drove away, he was the one, from what we understand, who was driving. she was in the back seat with an ar-15 engaged in a fire fight with the police. she was. tashfeen malik was in the fire fight. >> she clearly had advanced training and clearly lots of it. it's going to be mahard to determine that because she was living overseas but my former colleague sent immediate leads to determine her background, her connections. they are currently working very hard to develop a profile of her and to see what training she had, not only for this particular case but, you know, whether she had friends or sisters or people, a common cause with her who have come over on these fiancee visas. i'm sure they are tracking that data. >> obviously her involvement is a game changer in how law enforcement will look at this. could there be something else, anything else that could have he can plained her involvement, something like a postpartum psychosis? >> postpartum psychosis is internal. the violence goes internally or within the family, the kids are most likely going to be the targets of that or the person suffering from it. so i don't see this as a common case of postpartum psychosis. this is something much more related to extremism. >> up next, farook's family members said they were as shocked as anyone else by the shootings. next, it was like something out of a horrific movie. heavily armed police battling a married couple. that's next in our report. insur. but the more you learn about your coverage, the more gaps you may find. 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[ gunfire ] >> you have a shooter in that car. >> reporter: police zero in on syed farook and tashfeen malik who had just hours before killed 14 people at an office event. this was ten miles from the scene of the mass shooting. a black ford suv drove by slowly at first and then sped away. >> we are in pursuit of the suspect vehicle eastbound on san bernardino avenue and richardson. we've got shots fired out the back window. >> reporter: one shooter fires at police in hot pursuit. the police headed back to san bernardino. all of it playing out on live television. >> we have units in san bernardino and richardson taking fire. >> reporter: the suv comes to a stop and a full-scale gun battle breaks out. [ gunfire ] the shooters firing 76 rounds, at least 21 officers return fire, nearly 400 rounds riddled the suv. >> shots fired! we need a bear cat. we need medical. >> we have one down outside the car and one down inside the car. >> rizwan farook gets out of the car but he doesn't get far. malik, her 6-month-old daughter at home with the grandmother, dies in the car. thousands of rounds of ammunition, 12 pipe bombs and what investigators call a bomb lab. with hundreds of tools that could be used to make explosives. and erin, the big question that remains tonight, when did the switch flip? what motivated this young couple in their 20s to carry out mass murder? the man who rented them that townhouse said that they were timid. that's a quote. and said that there was no cause for concern and then this, a mass murder situation. tonight, we still have fbi at the home there going through that homemade bomb lab, seeing if it will lead them to any clues as to why this happened, was it the radicalization that sparked this. what tells them about what sparked all of this tonight. >> poppy, thank you very much. bob bobby chiccone is back with me. when you look at the massive law enforcement and so fast, what sticks out to you? 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>> reporter: he got there bump the swat team did so he was seeing some other people within that building starting to bring the injured out, you know. what we're hearing erin, a lot of times these doctors have to get into these situations quickly and often times will take care of patients on the scene there. they don't have time sometimes to transport them back to the hospital. so he was taking care of some of the injured there in the field on the scene and as you might imagine, erin, some of the injuries were pretty awful. this was somebody who had spent time in various wars and he was likening it to some of the battling he seen in the past. >> you also learned something very surprising about one of the doctors you met. >> reporter: yeah, you know, it's interesting, you know, the whole culture in someways is changed because these doctors often times have to go into these scenes that are still active. they are still dangerous. at the time they are trying to save other people's lives, they themselves may put their lives at risk and they are trying to figure out how to do both roles. this is how one doctor put it. >> i should be able to defend myself when it's necessary and also have the capabilities to deal with the wounded in the field. >> reporter: so, you know, they literally in addition to stethoscope and medical equipment, erin, what i'm describing is more common but in addition to taking medical equipment, he's also carrying a handgun. he's carrying an assault rifle himself. he goes and trains with the swat team. he's a member of the swat team in this area and he learns how to be able to defend his self-and protect patients in the field. it's a hybrid role emerging as a result of the times in which we live, erin. he's part soldier. he's part doctor. and he often times does both at the same time. >> sanjay, thank you very much. that's pretty stunning, doctors carrying assault rifles. a lot of people questioning how that happens in this nation. president obama lighting the national christmas tree tonight. it's usually a very happy event but tonight anything but. the president took a moment to reach out to those who lost a loved one in the san bernardino shooting. >> their loss is our loss, too for we're all one american family. we look out for each other in good times and in bad and they should know that all of us care about them this holiday season. they are in our thoughts, they are in our prayers, and we send them our love. >> something for everyone to think about, the president at the tree lighting ceremony tonight. thank you for joining us. set your dvr and record "outfront" and watch the program at any time. our breaking coverage continues right now with "ac 360." good evening tonight from san bernardino, california. in just about an hour, a vigil gets underway at the baseball stadium behind me for the 14 men and women murdered at a holiday party by a co-worker and his wife yesterday. we're just now learning their names and some of the victim's stories and will bring those to you tonight. in this stadium they will be honored so were those injured wounded in the attack. there will be no doubt tears in the stadium and we hope at least a small measure of comfort for a community badly in need of it. many people are lined up waiting to get into the stadium. there is no comfort nor rest for anyone in law enforcement or in homeland security tonight. the investigation is moving fast. they are scrambling to figure out what turned them into bomb makers and murders. pipe
that and other revelations on president trump, james comey and vladimir putin are all in the new book. it's called: michael joins me now. thanks for joining us. it's interesting to look back at that sort of circle of payments that existed in the obama campaign to dig up stuff on mitt romney. it was the same circle they revisited when it time for the clinton campaign to get involved. >> as the quote makes clear, this is standard practice in american politics. you have both parties who you have an army of researchers who dig up dirt on the other side. it's been a longstanding practice and one that a lot of people have criticized that the payments to those research firms are disguised usually as payments to law firms or other outside consultants. so, we shed a little light on it in the case of fusion gps, but they are not unusual. let's make that clear. both sides do this. both sides are not forthcoming about the money they pay for this activity. >> martha: when glenn simpson approached you to speak to christopher steele, did you say who is paying steele for this research? >> glenn and i are old friends. i know he was a long-standing and great investigative reporter for the "wall street journal" and i knew the business he was in. i did ask him questions about that, but it was pretty clear that he was not going to be fully transparent about that. researcher are not. i was interested in hearing what steele had to say. i knew this was a political dimension to this. >> martha: but would it be helpful? >> of course. but i was equally entered. -- interested. because i get pitched and i am sure you do all the time. you know where you are coming from. >> martha: were you aware of the perkins cowy. >> they were the law firm for the clinton campaign. >> martha: did you know they were paying fusion gps? >> no, nope. >> martha: when you started divulging there was an investigation into the trump campaign and carter page was the person being investigated. >> yes. >> martha: what did you do to figure out if that information about page that steele dug up was accurate? >> well, what was of interest to me first and foremost was not been because of anything simpson or steele had to say. hi sources in the u.s. government and the u.s. intelligence community and the law enforcement community who told me they were investigating these matters. and that was the absolutely the case as we have learned. >> martha: in the dossier there was a suggestion that there was a circular information tornado that was -- you have the dossier when steele said he could not verify it was true. you get information from carter page on that with huge suggestions that carter page was offered a big chunk of the net which was not true. you have information from the dossier. you are saying you verified that by checking it? >> no, no, no. what i said i verified that the fbi was taking this seriously. they knew about christopher steele. they had a track record with christopher steele. he had been a trusted source for them on other matters. as he had been for the state department on other matters. he was a serious guy. this is not a political guy. >> martha: absolutely. christopher steele at this point is dismaid that his information was used by the clinton campaign to present it as substantial information that was truthful. he said i did this and gave it to you guys. >> he had heard reports that were disturbing to him not just about carter page but a lot of aspects of the connections between the trump campaign and the kremlin. a lot of which have been confirmed by robert mueller as the special counsel. he brought criminal cases against mr. papadopoulos, a member of the foreign policy advisory team and michael flynn and manafort and others. >> martha: none of which directly tie the campaign to collusion. are you arguing in the book that the link was found? >> take a look at the back. >> martha: i have. i just got it today. not to give away the ending, but do you make a compelling argument that you put the pieces together? we know what papadopoulos is charging with, lying to the fbi and manafort -- >> [overlapping talking]. >> martha: when you connected the dots did you find the smoking gun of collusion? >> no, there is no smoking gun. we have a lot of new dots you have not heard about before. you see there was a concerted effort by the kremlin not just to meddle in the election and hack emails and dump them to create chaos in america, but to penetrate the trump campaign. you have repeated efforts. how does carter page end up in moscow? he gets invited by the kremlin to give a speech after he is named to trump's foreign policy board. >> martha: they don't even question carter page. carter page turned out to be a big nothing. >> the jury is out on a lot of this. >> martha: he is not being investigated. they haven't called him to hearing. >> they had a fisa warrant on him. >> martha: they did. it was renewed 3 times. >> the full story has yet to be told. you read the democratic memo in which they said they developed information in fisa that corroborated the steele dossier. which part? good question. i would like to know that too. we know that carter page had contacts with kremlin officials. >> martha: a lot of people have contacts with people in russia. if you do business with anyone in russia, that person has contact with the kremlin. >> right, but his contacts came about because he had just been named to the trump -- >> martha: right. >> [overlapping talking]. e how does papadopoulos suddenly have all of these contacts in london trying to set up a meeting between trump and putin? >> martha: he was a young guy drunk in a bar in australia and shooting his mouth off. maybe something felt there was fertile ground. >> so you agree they were trying to cultivate people -- >> martha: whether or not there was a connection. i assume that's happening all the time with multiple campaigns. >> [overlapping talking]. e >> you see all of this activity going on. you see these efforts by the kremlin to get their hooks in with the trump campaign. you will be concerned about that. you will want to understand what is going on. you want to understand these connections, right? that explains how we got where we are. >> martha: jim was on earlier today and claimed that james clapper leaked information about the dossier to sinise. -- cnn. you talk about james comey having a private moment with president trump on january 6th. he said we have 2 pages that are rough stuff and shows had to him. the way that part is written in the book, president trump was very angry. >> he called it a shakedown. he thought he was being black mailed by comey the fbi director. comey and the fbi were trying to send him a message, they had something on him. from what comey testifyed to, he wanted to give trump a head's up to let him know what was circulating out there. >> martha: when they leak the dossier to cnn, was president trump right on that point? >> how do you know james leaked the dossier to cnn? >> [overlapping talking]. e >> a lot of stuff hasn't checked out. let's see the evidence. you made a serious allegation of a criminal act by the former director of dni. you don't have any actual evidence of that. >> martha: i am report what jim jordan said -- >> well, jim says a lot of things. >> martha: he may be wrong, but that is what he is saying. >> right. i have no evidence. >> martha: in terms of your role, did you ever feel like you were used by the clinton campaign to push this stuff out? >> no. >> martha: when you met with christopher steele and simpson, you never said to them. . who is paying for all of this investigation? >> no, i knew this was coming a political motivation. >> martha: who else could be it? >> wealthy democratic donors who wanted to expose donald trump's ties to the kremlin or to the people who first hired fusion gps. it starts with a republican organization or a conservative organization. >> martha: the dossier came after the clinton -- >> [overlapping talking]. >> martha: they never said they would compensate you? >> compensate me? are you kidding? i don't need incentive to do stories that are of the public interest. of course not. that's nonsense. i can't emphasize this enough: it wasn't what they had to say that caused me to write the first story about a u.s. intelligence investigation into a member of the trump advisory team. it was sources in the u.s. government who told me accurately that they were doing such an investigation. >> martha: and carter page? >> relateing to carter page yes. >> martha: which turned out -- >> the jury is still out. >> martha: he is a free man. manafort has ankle bracets. carter page is talking to everybody. >> he has always told contradictions and sent emails after the meetings about the insights he got from senior kremlin officials. emails to the top officials of the trump campaign telling them he wants to alert them to what the russians are telling him. >> martha: he wanted to appear useful? >> that's the kind of thing that would get the fbi interesting. >> martha: fascinating. >> please read the rest of the book. >> martha: joining me is karl rove and michael blake. welcome. good to see both of you here tonight. a lot to get to in the political arena. your thoughts karl rove on what you heard from michael tonight? >> what is interesting, we are talking about russians and they are trying to meddle in the american elections. do you think a former british intelligence agent who reaches out to contacts in moscow to get dirt on donald trump is somehow not seen by the russian intelligence services? i would support a lot of what is in the dossier is fed to steele by people who are suspect in not clearly under the control of the russian fsb. the russians were meddling here. they were trying to get papadopoulos and page inside the trump campaign. they had a direct line into steele who was hired by fusion gps who was in turn paid for by the dnc and the clinton campaign. nobody will walk away from this without having their finger princeton over something that is russia. >> martha: michael what do you think about the book tonight? >> we want to keep positive prayers for the pilot that went down off the key west of florida. the question at hand: all intelligence agencies are conveying that meddling happened. it's clear for whatever reason that the house republicans and so many republican allies want to ignore what is happening in the truth of the matter. putin and the russians were trying to benefit president trump. for anyone who has confusion about this, gaudy himself said the russians were trying to win this election. we will continue to let bob mueller move forward with the case. they were trying to benefit trump plain and simple. >> martha: another big story. the president may face a battle to get the new cia director confirmed. he tweeted about his frustration with the slow pace of the confirmation saying: the president may have a point. of 639 nominations, half are still waiting for confirmation. more than a year later. michael, to the extent that there is responsibility on democrats side, how do you respond to that? >> it's pretty ridiculous that president trump is trying to make this argument. look at other agencies that had repeated delays. the secretary of state and the vacancies existed. to make the argument we are not moving forward is because of democrats. it's a smoke screen and not slowing efficiency or responsibility in government. it's another reminder that people are not listening or believing what trump is saying about his leadership. >> martha: karl, weigh in on what is called slow walking by the democrats and the conor lamb decision which came out a while ago? >> part of the problem is that the administration moved slowy on making appoint. s. you put your finger on what is important. of the 700 they sent forward, half have not been moved after a year and a half. the democrats are slow walking these using every trick in the book and shame on them for doing so. one other thing, one point about the russians. mr. blake said everybody knew that the russians were middling in the election on behalf of trump. if everybody knew, it makes it even more problematic that president obama did nothing when the intelligence agencies knew the russians were trying to meddle in the elections. >> you mean the sanctions he put forth, karl? >> after the election! >> [overlapping talking]. e >> those sanctions are still in place. >> [overlapping talking]. >> let me finish,mr. blake. i didn't interrupt you. i know you don't want to speak the truth. >> that's why i am speaking. >> martha: hold on. >> the snctions were done after the election and still in place today. the government of the united states whether it's republican or democrat ought to move everything to stop the russians from meddling in the elections whether it's trump or obama in the 2016 elections. >> which is why it's more ridiculous that the house republicans are shutting down the investigation on this despite the findings of the intelligence agencies and gaudy. >> martha: everyone agreed there was efforts to meddle. the collusion is the question. >> [overlapping talking]. e >> would recommend to mr. blake he read the republican report. their point was that they disagreed some of the intelligence community's finding on how specific and how clear it was that they were trying to interfere in the election on behalf of president trump. the russians spent more money after trump won than after the election. >> martha: i have to leave it there. thank you both. all right. there is breaking news tonight. we covered this story closely in austin. the deadly austin package bombings. sources are telling fox news that the 17-year-old and the 39-year-old victims may have been specifically targeted. james fitzgerald that caught the unia bomber on what it will take to catch this suspect. and this is frank's record shop. frank knowns northern soul, but how to set up a limited liability company... what's that mean? 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>> the first victim anthony house his stepfather is dr. freddie dickerson. and the second victim, he and the doctor were friends. they were prominent people. those families know each other well. that's a primary connection. they know each other and worked in east austin. they were important people in the community. >> martha: and belonged to the same historic church there? >> exactly. wesley united methodist church. >> martha: tell me where believe the package that blew up in a lady's home was not intended for her you? think it was intended for another member of this family? >> the first two bombings targeted an african-american who had a connection. these bombers have information about the family connections. the third bombing, a hispanic female, it seems like it was not part of the pattern. we have heard statements that i can't confirm that think bomb was misplaced and therefore had unintended cons. -- consequences. >> martha: is there another member of the mason family who lives near that woman? >> that hasn't been concerned. we can't confirmed that another member lives there. there are questions that will be resolved later. it's too suspicious at this point. >> martha: you can think of any reason anybody would want to hurt members of this family? >> we don't the motive. my point is as a community, we have to be more aware of these situations. we known about the first bombing, we could tell our community don't pick up any mail packages. until we know the motive we can't protect ourselves. these bombers were well trained and angry and targeted these believers in austin, texas. >> martha: thank you very much for being here. many experts say there are parallels between this and the una-bomber's case who killed 3 and injured 23 others. he was caught in 1996 by my next guest. james fitzgerald, in addition to the una-bomber case he worked on the jon bener ramsey case. they are adept. >> bombers who are not adept, they blow themselves up before hand. this guy has done practicing. he went out into the woods somewhere and worked on these devices. this did not happen overnight when he got mad two weeks ago and made a couple of bombs. it took a while to put these together. the anger and frustration was there for a while. >> martha: how would you solve this case? >> look at the victims. the crime scene is important. they have to go over all of the evidence. then they have to look at the victims. that's what your previous guest just said. get a computerized scheme are every aspect of these person's personal, professional and business lives. emails, facebook posts. everything has to be looked at. perhaps somebody will come to the surface. the una-bomber never bombed people he knew. they were people that bothered him because of what company they represented. >> martha: usually in these situations, there is writing, a manifesto, correct? >> not a manifesto. a letter or two claiming responsibility. saying why the person did it. that's unusual in this case so far. bombers you may not like them for killing people but they can be proud people and have messages to get across. i am not condoning what he did. you would think there would be a letter written. maybe it's personal. if the person puts that out there, they will get any message he is trying to tell across to the public and maybe it will make some sense. the taking of life never makes sense. >> martha: in terms of what you would tell the police and the investigators, anything here? >> it was a team effort that caught the una-bomber. it will be a team effort that catches this guy. there're some patterns. it's on the east side of the interstate. going from north to south. there are all kinds of potential geographic issues in there. serial bombers tend to be white males. murderers are usually committed intra-racially. we have conflicting statistics that may make this more difficult to resolve. >> martha: thank you very much. >> thank you. >> martha: still ahead, there are fears about how russia will respond to the british prime minister's decision to sever ties with the kremlin. is congress keeping students in america safe? tens of thousands walked out of schools to protect the parked shooting. what about the students who believe in the second amendment? a message next. >> i don't want guns in my school. i go to school to learn. i don't go to school to fight for my life. you know what goes here... and your approval rating... goes here. test drive the ztrak z540r at your john deere dealer and learn why it's not how fast you mow, it's how well you mow fast. nothing runs like a deere. save 250 dollars when you test drive and buy a john deere residential z540r ztrak mower. i just need some rest. i'm just worried about the house. and taking care of the boys. 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>> i have been getting probably 100 since yesterday of students who are disappointed at the way they have been bullyd ed into joining the school walk out. i suggested walk out with your friends and hold up signs that says "standing with children." the media put forward this message. it's aac accelerated the messa if you disagree with them on gun control, you don't care about the kids. now they are using them as political human shields. the kids can say whatever they want. the media is elvating the kids' moral authorities. >> martha: we spoke to a gun store owner in florida who refuseed to sell a gun to the parkland shooter. he said i don't sell guns. he was a form israeli military man. he said i don't sell guns to people under 21. that's my practice. is there any room for some of these measures that some of these kids would number favor of? >> well, it depends on the measure. the question is what the level of public support? when they take a poll and say there are tons of people who are in favor of gun control. that sounds great until you say what do you want to cut. people think that means do you think we should take measures to protect against mass shootings? the answer is question. this is controversy about raising the age to by rifles. if you can serve in the military at 18 and vote at 18, what is the problem buying guns. kids who are 17 are not capable of buying a weapon. what is the age of adulthood? what a lot of students are not happy about is if you disagree with people on politics, this means you can't be part of the conversation. the only people we will talk to are the people we agree with on gun control measures. that's a form of nastiness. >> martha: it pervades so many schools and universities. there is only one way of thinking that is acceptable in protests. that's been demonstrated today. there have to be room for people to exercise their free speech and for people to respect the argument on both sides. now a completely different topic. the discussion that hillary clinton in india earlier this week has gotten a lot of attention. she is explaining the reasons why she loss. >> his whole campaign make america great was looking backwards. you don't want to see indian-americans succeeding more than you are. >> martha: remarkable. e >> she is absolutely delighted. the wonderful thing about hillary clinton she is the worst candidate in american history and demonstrates that every day. blaming everybody but herself for an election loss that was her fault. hillary clinton is blaming half of the american population. they hate brown people. there are only two states in the united states that had indian-american governor's and both are red states that voted for donald trump. >> martha: a great point. >> there is an indian-american woman in the trump administration. her argument is everybody who voted against me is terrible and everybody who voted for me are virtuous. she argued that white women voted against her because her husbands were going to bring home the whooping stick and make them vote for donald trump. >> martha: jennifer tweeted this: i have 50 messages like that in my twitter account. >> for all of the feminists who think women can make decisions why are you not condemning hillary clinton for suggesting that married women can't make those decisions. the reason married people vote republican more, they tend to be more conservative and religious. and marriage changes you have. to you think about kids and shaving monoy on taxes. marriage changes voting for both sexes. in 2016 unmarried men voted for hillary clinton. married men voted for donald trump the and the same thing for unmarried women voted for hillary clinton and married women voted close to parity in terms of trump and hillary clinton. a 14 point shift and an 11 point shift after marriage for men. >> martha: thank you. ben shapiro, thanks for being here. coming up fears of retalation after the poisoning of a former spy and his daughter. bill knows how dangerous the kremlin can be. he's been targeted by them. his unique take after the break. 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>> it's the most shocking thing imaginable. you have a state sponsored terrorists attacks using military grade chemical weapons in the heart of england, organized by vladimir putin. it can't get any more serious. >> martha: he said there no evidence we had anything to do with. >> and putin said there was no evidence we went into crimea. putin lies every step of the way. he for sure did it and has to bear responsibility. we have to create consequences for him. >> martha: this is a long list of these people. you have just this week a man who was killed. a sport time before that boris. people who left the soviet union living in union whom they still have a bone to pick it. >> and the british government doesn't investigate most of these things as murders. on one case they concluded that the radioactive material was used to kill him in the heart of london and the british government did nothing. another guy died at age 44 jogging and no investigation. >> martha: what do you think may should do? >> she said we will kick out 23 russian diplomats and laid out a list of things they will do. freezing assets and going after spies and other things. if they freeze assets of vladimir putin, that would get his attention. just kicking out spies, they have thousands of spies. >> martha: no diplomat dialogue at this point? >> it's not a response to a chemical weapons attack on your soil. >> martha: where do you think this is going? will they keep doing this? you must feel like you for danger. >> they will keep doing it until a firm boundary is put around him. putin understands boundary and spots weakness in this situation. >> martha: is the trump response strong enough? >> nikki haley's response was strong. and rex tillerson's response was strong enough. >> martha: thanks. president trump is pushing to take a dramatically harder stance against china. he had this in mind for quite sometime. this may be where the next big conversation is happening with trade. andy is here with his take next. feel the clarity of non-drowsy claritin 24 hour relief when allergies occur. day after day, after day. because life should have more wishes and less worries. feel the clarity and live claritin clear. when this guy got a flat tire in the middle of the night, so he got home safe. yeah, my dad says our insurance doesn't have that. what?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. >> martha: president trump is reportedly looking to take a harder stance against china hitting them with some tariffs. his new economic advisor as of today is already on board with that plan. >> i must say as someone who doesn't like tariffs, i think china has earned a tough response. not only from the united states. i thought that i have is if the united states could lead a coalition of large trading partners and allies against china or to let china know that they are breaking the rules left and right. >> sean: andy pozner is the policy advisor. good to see you again the president asked his trade advisor for a package of tariffs against china. they came back with a $30 billion package. he said i want a bigger package and he's practicing for about 25 years. >> the chinese are finally talking to us, we've got a decade of america's trading partners beating up on us by subsidizing companies to put our companies out of business. utilizing trade and nontrade barriers, seizing our intellectual property. the president has to come back with something strong. other presidents have said you shouldn't take our intellectual property, nothing has happened. not only is china negotiating with us, but in the green room while i'm watching across the bottom of the tv watching your show, it's a chancellor merkel has now said the e.u. should negotiate with united states about these affairs. of course they should. where the world's largest customer. who do not want to offend? >> martha: use of this is the kind of thing that scares academia and politicians. >> if you were in a negotiation with donald trump, you expect something like this at the beginning. i think it scares people, but they grew up in politics and write great articles about economics, it scares them. if you are a business person, you know with this guy is doing. even nafta, while we renegotiate nafta, do you think that puts us in a better position? obviously. this is all very smart. >> martha: what do you think of the selection of larry kudlow who was in the reagan administration, he's been around a long time. he was not on board with the tariffs. he seems to be on board with the president wants to do in china. is there going to be a good give-and-take on economic policy between president trump and larry kudlow? >> he's a great guy. he's a really, really good guy. i think the president wants people who will do what he directs them to do, but before he gives a direction, he wants to hear both sides and i think larry is going to speak up. i think larry will do his job, but he won't hold back from telling the president what he thinks. i was involved early in the campaign. larry helped him in the beginning and that's probably why he went to larry. >> martha: some of the discussion is that he's trying to surround himself with yes-men. >> larry kudlow is not a yes-man. a week ago, he was saying i like trade, not tariffs. obviously he had discussions with the president, maybe now he has a better understanding of what the president wants to do. it's only a tactic if the other side knows you'll do it. i think trump will do it if he is pushed, but they don't want to push that. we have half a trillion dollar trade deficit. we're the last country anybody wants to offend particularly germany or china. they're just not going to do it. >> martha: yesterday in bloomberg, they were talking about how it became corporate america's nightmare and it's the most terrifying company in the world with the breadth of what they are involved in now. are you terrified of amazon? >> not at all. i like what they're doing with other companies, really forcing them to innovate. you can compete with amazon. look at what they're doing to walmart. walmart is changing the way it does business because of amazon. if the government comes in and tries to regulate amazon, it will restrict that innovation, that creativity. you won't have the drive in the market. they need to be careful particularly with a vertical movement. >> martha: always great to see you. that is our story for tonight come out will be back tomorrow night at 7:00. tucker carlson is standing by. ♪ >> tucker: good evening and welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." if you've been watching tv today, you know that thousands of children walked out of school across america demanding the passage of new gun-control laws following the mass shooting in parkland florida of course. the walkout was being handled by an act of bravery, but of course students do not act independently. they can't act independently, they're under control of adults, in this case by definition, they're in school. when he heard a 16-year-olds in school scream how many did you kill today? 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him away. they're getting a first look at the s.u.v. the suspect was driving when he exploded his device and killing himself. welcome, i'm neil cavuto. this is "your world." fast and furious developments. the big question everybody is asking here, why? why did he do it? casey stegall in pfluegerville with the latest. hi, casey. >> hi, neil. the people that live here want to know why, too. those that knew this young man, they say they're surprised to say the least by this. but right now authorities are no doubt combing through every aspect of his life. that includes going through his home that he owned with his father and lived in with some roommates. it's back just in the direction behind me where there is in large perimeter set up that you spoke about, neil. a large chunk of downtown pfluegerville, texas, around the home including city hall has been evacuated here because there is fear that there could be other hidden explosives. law enforcement began closing in on 23-year-old mark conditt yesterday largely after he was captured on surveillance tape in an apparent disguise, dropping off packages at an austin fed ex store a few miles from sunday night's blast. then they finally caught up with him at a nearby motel where his vehicle was parked in round rock, texas. round rock and pfluegerville are northern suburbs of austin. when he started to leave, swat moved in. he ended up in a ditch on a nearby interstate. as they approached his vehicle, conditt detonated an explosive killing himself. one officer was knocked back. another fired his weapon. once word started to spread that conditt was identified as the austin serial bomber, neighbors and his family said they're stunned. >> my assumption is they would be they knew nothing. they're the nicest family as you could look to have. i don't understand the motivation. >> neil, you mentioned his roommates. they're cooperating with authorities. they're being questioned. so now really the race is on to make sure that there were no accomplices, that he acted alone, to make sure that there are no additional packages that are out there and the big one, neil, as you said, trying to determine motive here. what on earth would have caused him to do this. back to you. >> neil: amazing, casey. thank you, my friend. this is nonstop reporting for you. great job. on the phone right now, james fitzgerald. he was part of the team that tracked town the unabomber. remember ted kaczniski? that took decades to resolve. very good to have you, james. what do you think authorities are going to learn from that house hunt? >> well, neil, thanks for having me on. they're going to learn a lot from everything they're investigating right now. before it was obviously did your the campaign itself, looking at the crime scene, piecing together the devices. now they have an actual person. he died the way he killed a few victims. they're going to build a psychological autopsy of this guy and take it to the next -- to the furthest logical step they can. they'll look at all the computers, the tv shows he's watched, everything and paint a picture for the rest of us to understand and for law enforcement to prevent this guy from succeeding again. >> neil: there's almost a betting among folks watching this that was he, conditt, did follow kaczniski close and his message closely. you buy that? >> i know that case inside and out. i worked it from 95 and 96 and even beyond. there are some definite differences here. i mean, kaczniski -- the unabomber, he maintained control. one or two bombings a year. he took off six years after he was sighted in the composite sketch came out. this guy was clearly -- conditt was clearly out of control. he almost couldn't stop himself. he must have been making these devices the last few months if not longer, had them on a shelf and set up a triggering device or a trip wire and next thing you know he's ready to go. but to do two or three bombings in a day is highly unusual. i don't think another bomber has ever had a timetable like that. >> neil: we're always trying to sort out why someone does this sort of stuff and why the perpetrator did what he did. it was thought to be racially driven when it turns out a couple of the initial victims were minorities and african american and a hispanic. what are your thoughts on that? >> as i said, this individual is mission oriented. we don't know his mission. he's a bomber without a cause. we're going to find out most likely. hopefully this doesn't go the way of the las vegas shooting like in october where we never know or don't know for months and months afterwards why the person undertook this activity. i think we'll have enough of a paper trail and electronic guy to figure out why. a lot of these guys don't like themselves and they self-loathe. they may be friendly and nod to their parents and may have roommates for convenience or practical purposes but they don't like the society in which they live and let this anger and frustration build up. and they say i'll make bombs and kill people. whether it's random that they were selected or somehow they fit into a mass -- grand plan this guy had. we're waiting to learn that. for now, we don't know what his problem is. >> you know, james, i don't want to tip secrets how you catch guys like this. i was surprised to hear a lot of authorities, even in disguise, when conditt went into this facility with this box, they said that he gave himself away. that's how one investigator put it. even with the disguise. what are some of the things without giving away details that they would look for that would telegraph, ah-hah. >> we look for pre offense and post offense behavior. how was he reacting differently to one event or a series of events in their lives. these are -- in the fbi, i would do media interviews and now in retirement i'm doing them. i try to reach out to people around this guy. who is somebody out there that changed their work schedule? who is somebody that you're not seeing and darting back and forth when they're slow and laid back other times? who is skipping work or not sleeping as much, watching media more than ever before? so as a profiler, it's the continuum of behavior that somehow has an alteration to it and that's what can be a big clue to the people out there that may know this guy. i'm sure when they interview the roommates and parents if they're honest, you're right, i never saw him watch tv as much or go on the news channels. that will come back and be clues for us at that point in time. >> neil: thanks, james, for taking the time. james fitzgerald. we're learning that authorities will be updating us at 5:00 p.m. eastern time. now to oakland, california where i think this is a case of saying i told you so. ice officials say three illegals targeted in a raid have been rearrested on new charges in oakland. claudia cowan on how this went down and what oakland's mayor may be saying. >> good afternoon. all three of these three illegal immigrants managed to elude ice agents last month, but they were arrested by local police for new crimes that they committed this month here in california. the first man was arrested in loss banos for robbery and firearm charges. he had earlier been arrested on conspiracy charges but was released in november because of local sanctuary policies despite an ice detainer request. another was arrested in sacramento for drunk driving. he's been deported all right three times and has two previous duis. another multiple deportee was arrested for spousal abuse. he had a hit-and-run, too. leaders in sanctuary cities including mayor libby schaaf said when there's a warrant signed by a judge, not just an administrative warrant as they were in these operations. many targeted as we have seen are criminals. at a roundtable on sanctuary cities at the white house yesterday, acting ice director tom hohmann said politicians are sending mixed messages. >> we're told on one hand to focus on criminals. the same folks that want us to focus on criminals don't let us in the county jail. this defies logic. >> while these three illegal immigrant suspects are behind bars now, it's possible and certainly history has shown, neil, that they could be released back into the community protected by california's sanctuary policies. back to you. >> neil: incredible, claudia. thanks very much. you remember when oakland's mayor had announced that she was going to telegraph and warn residents about an imminent ice raid, that she was doing it in their interest to protect the community. my next guest, a former ice agent says just the opposite. david, that argument doesn't seem to wash with you. >> no, it doesn't. this mayor of oakland has violated federal law in particular 18-11 impeding u.s. immigration officers in the process of doing their duties. i was a manager and supervisor with the border patrol and ice for 34 years and never come across a situation where politicians have gotten so far out of control and are so devoid of the u.s. constitution like this mayor in particular. the clause 6 of the u.s. constitution has been violated. she's deliberately going after the federal government, not allowing to us do our jobs. the other thing that bothers me is 16 1/2 years ago, 3,000 americans were incinerated by foreign nationals that were in this country in violation of their visas when they came here. a task force was formed, 9-11 commission, came up with the recommendations to address the problems with the illegal aliens in this country. what has happened is the opposite. we have sanctuary cities popping up all over this country where all the aliens are using this as a base of operations, particularly your trans national drug cartels, criminal aliens and terrorists are now in these different sanctuary cities around the country. sanctuary cities do not protect u.s. citizens. they protect the criminal aliens in the united states and they're not going to stop the next 9-11 from happening. >> neil: what is weird about this, local law enforcement tried to apprehend these three individuals. if ice was given the clearance in the first place, this could have saved them trouble. >> this is an ongoing problem. we arrest the aliens that we have warrants for. they mentioned the raids. there were no raids. enforcement actions. going after people targeted by ice because they had a case file, they had a warrant or they had a warrant of deportation. the agents went to find these people. another thing that will be happening, ice and the border patrol will be reluctant to turn over any criminal aliens that are wanted by local and state officials because if they do, they will not get those aliens back for deportation. a couple of things going on here that the people need to be aware of. >> neil: david, thanks very much. david ward, former ice agent and border patrol. facebook ceo mark zuckerberg has finally issued a statement trying to re-assure investors and users to 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perhaps some of the things they may have to do is a hint of revenue. they've opened themselves up for a massive cash crab that the eu has been itching for. but beyond there, users essentially it's like if we -- we had a diary and the person that sold us that diary sold that information to other people, there's a sort of fiduciary responsibility, and in the real world they're in a pickle because they have to do more that say hey, if a developer looks suspicious, we'll look into it. >> neil: and we'll see more on your show on fox business network. happy spring, not! the fourth nor'easter in as many weeks buffer feting the east coast. by the way, it's far from over. rick leventhal in la guardia in new york with the latest. rick? >> neil, i've covered a lot of storms. i don't think i've seen it quite this empty. this place is virtually deserted for that. take a look at the arrivals and departures. every flight this afternoon and this evening is cancelled out of la guardia. more than 1,000 flights have been cancelled out of new york's three major airports. look outside. you can see why. the snow is coming down. they say 1-2 inches an hour. more than 4, 300 flights have been cancelled nationwide. they've done a lot of work to keep the taxiways and runways clear. the nor'easter, as you mentioned, the fourth in three weeks. as much as 12 to 18 inches predicted. a winter storm warning in effect. >> we're experiencing symptoms that we have never experienced before. that is true. there's a higher frequency and there's more severity to the storms. that new reality has existed now for four or five or six years. so it's no longer a surprise when this happens. >> the governor declared a state of emergency here on the first day of spring. while most people got the message to stay home, some people did come to the airport because there were some flights scheduled as late as this afternoon and that's why we met beverly here along with her daughter, sharon, who came to la guardia hoping to get home to their home in centerview, missouri outside of kansas city. beverly, 79, had heart surgery monday night and now she has to spend the night here at la guardia. >> i'm concerned about her. >> i'm fine. i'm tough. >> the flight is scheduled to leave tomorrow afternoon. they hope to get home then, neil. >> neil: thanks, rick. meanwhile, you're looking live at capitol hill. $1.2 trillion spending bill is about to be dropped. lawmakers are trying to get all of this looked at, voted on, signed, sealed and delivered by late friday night or guess what happens? 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it's going to happen or what? >> my read is it's a bad piece of legislation based on what we've been told. we have not seen the bill. a $1.3 trillion spending bill that they're talking about. we have not seen the details of the legislation. we're supposed to vote on it tomorrow? that's probably not the way the american people want to do business and not what they elected us to do. my big concern is not the shut down. my bigger concern is we're continuing to bankrupt the country. this bill will lead to a trillion dollar deficit this fiscal year. >> neil: if that is the case and for whatever reason, including a lot of people like you are worried ant spending the 1.3 trillion measure, including for big new york city tunnel, opioid crisis, security, some things you look, you would reject it and vote no? >> yeah, of course. it's the second largest spending increase in a decade. $63 bill in new government spending outside of the united states military. funds planned parenthood, doesn't build the wall. it will result in a trillion dollar deficit. that's probably not what the american people had in mind when they put republicans in power and gave us the ability to run the government. i don't think that's what they elected us to do. that's why we're opposed to it. >> trace: sounds like a shut down. >> no. i don't know. democrats like this bill. big spending. so one of the problems is, the leadership -- the house leadership and the senate leadership close this out behind closed doors. we don't know what is in this final package and we're supposed to vote. how can you read a bill that spends $1.3 trillion? how are you going to know what is in it in you have 24 hours from the time you get the completed version until the time you vote on it? >> neil: that is very aggressive to your point. jim jordan, you're a busy fellow. thanks very much. >> thank you. >> neil: you can imagine with the fast-moving developments, good thing we're live with the sad show of us at 10:00 a.m. till noon. i have a feeling we could be dealing with a government shut down. former cia director under barack obama, john brennan, blasting president trump as a disgraced demagogue. this isn't new news. here's what is. another one of obama's cia directors and talk about whether brennan went too far. baby boomers, here's something you should know. there's a serious virus out there that 1 in 30 boomers has, yet most don't even know it. a virus that's been almost forgotten. it's hepatitis c. hep c can hide in the body for years without symptoms. left untreated it can lead to liver damage, even liver cancer. the only way to know if you have hep c is to ask your healthcare provider for the simple blood test. if you have hep c, it can be cured. for us, it's time to get tested. it's the only way to know for sure. >> neil: you might not be enjoying the snow so much but this little guy is. think how much fun it will be for him and you to get home tonight. i wanted to get new blinds, and i was talking with my mom about what kind i should get, and she mentioned i should visit blinds dot com. great quality for an incredible price, that's where i got my blinds. 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>> you know, look, presidents talk to kings and emperors and tyrants regardless of whether or not they were elected with any kind of democratic process or not. so i think the president has a right to talk to putin and to obviously see if there are areas that they can agree with. i guess my concern would be that if you're talking to putin, i also think it's important to be straightforward and honest with putin. he is somebody that you have to be very straight with and if you try to cater to him, he will take advantage of it. so i would have liked the president in addition to asking about areas where we can work together, he should also mention the fact that there are lines that we're not going to let the russians cross like aggression in the ukraine or the aggression in syria or aggression against our election process or using nerve gas to kill russians. >> neil: it was a quick phone call. they didn't have time to do warranties on a phone line. it was to say, all right, congratulations. we'll set up a date to talk, which is the gist of what happened. >> well, look, i think the problem i see, neil, is that putin has read a message of weakness in the united states for a long time. and he takes advantage of weakness. that's his nature. so even if you're having a conversation, i also think it's important to say look, there's some areas that we have concerns with you about. we'll talk about this when we get together. i want to make clear there's areas where the united states does not agree with what russia is doing. that point needs to be made. >> neil: yeah, you might be right about that and i'm not here to play political back and forth. there's clear indications that vladimir putin read weakness in barack obama when he marched in the ukraine and had his way and continued spiting all the fury that was raised led by barack obama in the international community. >> no, look, i think putin has read weakness into the posture of the united states for too long. i think the result is that he thinks he can get away with anything he wants to do. if the president is going to try to operate with strength, he's going to have to be very straightforward with putin and tell him where the lines are that cannot be crossed when it comes to the united states. somebody has to make that clear to putin. if this president doesn't do it, make no mistake about it, putin will take advantage of it. >> neil: let me switch gears a little bit, if you don't mind. one of your predecessors, john brennan tweeted when the full extend of your political co corruption becomes known, you will not destroyed america. america will triumph over you. >> obviously john brennan is free to say what he wants as the president is. whatever tweet the president makes. i think the tone of conversation these days is taking us into a spiral in which, you know, the problem is if we can't talk with one another about the concerns that we have and the issues we're dealing with and we're going to engage in name calling both ways, i just think it's dangerous for our democracy. >> neil: do you think the tone in washington, sometimes the mueller investigation and everything else, the president is quoting him by name when he attacks this investigation and you know having worked with bill clinton and others that investigations take on a course and a distorted morphed course of their own. ken starr comes to mind. this president seems to be saying this too. i'm getting frustrated by it. he says the indications in the white house that he's not going to be firing or removing mueller, but what do you think his basic point, that this is out of control? >> you know, i think it would be far better for the president particularly when he makes clear that he's not at fault here in anyway in terms of any kind of violation of the law, i think it would be far better to just let bob mueller who i think is a professional prosecutor, he's done his work carefully, he hasn't leaked. he's trying to complete the investigation into this issue. it would be far better if the president would stand back and let him do his job. when the president engages, it creates real problems in terms of the rule of law. he's better off if he would just stand back, let mueller do his work and in the end, mueller will find the truth. that's the problem here, neil. in the end, if the president tries to do something with mueller or tries to undermine that investigation, the fact is whatever he does, the truth is going to come out one way or the other -- >> neil: the reason -- >> better to come out this way. >> neil: if the president is paranoid, sometimes he would have a reason to. we now know that brennan is laying the cards out there, the former cia not a fan of the president, the former director not a fan of this president, and andy mccabe, the number 2 not a fan of this president. they were hiding it very well prior. so does the president have a legitimate beef in your mind? politics not withstanding, that there's a lot of people there that harbored views that were not exactly pro trump and now it's all coming to fruition and people are hearing it, coming up in memos and texts and for whatever reason they're not big fans. at the time they mentioned this, they were key players. now they're sort of showing their true colors. >> neil, you want to destroy yourself in washington, get wrapped up in paranoia. you know, i've seen -- >> neil: what did you mean by that? >> i've seen it happen on the republican side. >> neil: you're right about that. all right. thank you very much. >> no, no, if you start seeing shadows all over the place, you're going to wind up chasing your own tail into a ditch. so it's better to let things work their way through as they should. >> neil: i don't know. my italian dad used to say, it's a good things to be paranoid because people are out to get you. thanks, leon. >> my italian father said the same thing. >> neil: only in italian. thanks very much. >> that's right. >> neil: we're still learning more about this bombing suspect. i can't believe this guy was 23. he's gone now. they're still trying to get to the bottom of what he had in his home and what he could still be unearthing after this. sarge, i p that'll crack this case wide open! turns out the prints at the crime scene- awwwww...did mcgruffy wuffy get a tippy wippy? 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with the trip wire later on that widened this probe out. what are you to make of that? >> i guess the old adage that bombs know no victims. i'm not sure we identified the actual victim targeting themselves, particularly with the utilization of a trip wire-type of device. this is targeting anyone or anything that comes within its path to initiate that time of device. so there for, to identify specific victim who may be coming through at a specific time, that is jumping to great lengths. >> neil: do you worry about other packages that might have gotten out there? >> yes, i think that's been the warning for law enforcement, that you still have to be diligent, particularly in the austin, san antonio community as far as packages that are delivered that are not expected and those that are suspicious. law enforcement still needs to be contacted. danny, thanks very much. looking outside as danny described this, what is going on outside is the assailant's home in texas right now. they're coming through that room by room and cleared a six-block area to make sure that there is nothing afoul that could happen there or a device that could go off. we're on it. more after this. lass we know that when you're spending time with the grandkids every minute counts. and you don't have time for a cracked windshield. that's why we show you exactly when we'll be there. saving you time, so you can keep saving the world. >> kids: ♪ safelite repair, safelite replace ♪ on a perfect car, then smash it into a tree. your insurance company raises your rates. maybe you should've done more research on them. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. switch and you could save $782 on home and auto insurance. call for a free quote today. liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. >> neil: i think we can keep that graphic awhile. it's not going away. the latest one, trees, power outages. looking at more than a foot of snow. are we out of the woods with these storms? adam klotz has more. what are we looking at here? >> here in new york city, we're looking at the heart of this system. continuing to watch it spin off the coast. folks in d.c., philadelphia, new york and now running up to boston, all seeing this very heavy snow. it's the snow that particularly here in the afternoon, the early evening hours, this is when we'll get the brunt of it. boston won't see as much of it. a huge area where we have watching and warnings from the ohio river valley, the northeast. close to boston. the mid-atlantic here, this is the spot where that snow piles up a lot in the next six hours. here's the future radar. the time stamp here. obviously the farther south you are, the faster you'll clear off. overnight tonight, getting you early to thursday morning, clearing off for most folks. lingering in boston a little bit. they'll see a couple inches of snow. for most, in new york city, 5-6 inches. these are some snowfall totals that will be added to that. so whatever snow you have, there will be spots getting an additional 10-15 inches. widespread we're talking 6-12 with isolated areas getting anywhere from 12 to 18 possible inches of snow. it's a big system. while this is going on, we have another thing happening across the country. there's a big weather system in southern california. a whole lot of moisture coming in. this is a spot that was damaged severely in the fall because of those wild fires. so these rain rates getting up to a couple inches of rain an hour. so heavy downpours. 5-10 inches overall. where the mud is loose, officials are warning about mudslides. this is a forecasted precipitation. you can see it piling up north of l.a. we're going to be talking about as much as 8 inches of rain with this, maybe 10 inches of rain, neil. this is a big one. we've got to deal with everything we're dealing with here in the eastern half of the country. out west, the mudslides will be scary. >> neil: adam, thank you. we have a development on jeff sessions. abc news reporting that the former fbi deputy director mccabe sa mccabe might have purgered himself. the attorney general's attorney has said that he's not under investigation for purjuring himself. stick around. you're watching fox. adapt supply chains based on trends, tweets and storms. and make adjustments on the fly. ♪ ♪ the ibm cloud. the cloud for smarter business. that i served.bm cloud. of the fact i was a 30 mechanic in the corps, so i'm not happy unless my hands are dirty. between running a business and four kids, we're busy. auto insurance, homeowner's insurance, life insurance policies. knowing that usaa will always have my back... that's just one less thing you have to worry about. i couldn't imagine going anywhere else. they're like a friend of the family. we are the cochran family, and we'll be usaa members for life. save by bundling usaa home and auto insurance. get a quote today. and made it liberating. we took safe... and made it daring. we took intelligent, and made it utterly irresistible. we took the most advanced e-class ever... and made the most exciting e-class ever. the 2018 e-class coupe and sedan. lease the e300 sedan for $569 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. your digestive system has billions of bacteria, but life can throw them off balance. try align, the #1 doctor recommended probiotic. with a unique strain that re-aligns your system. re-align yourself, with align. >> neil: not common sense. more like calm down sense. today's interest rate hike, the one everything to go everyone is freaking out about. i hope you are sitting down for this. the latest quarter point hike brings the key rate up to a range between 1.5 and 1.75%. that's how much banks are charging to land federal reserve funds. that would be up to 1.75%. you know what the historical averages for this rate? about 5%. do you know what i got up to around 1980, when i was born. [laughs] try more than 20%. do you know what the prime rate was back then? 21.5%. do you know what 30 30-year mortgages were going for, north of 20%. you can imagine why my wife and i thought we were financial geniuses only got our first mortgage a couple years later for 13.5%. do you know at the same mortgage is today? 4.5%. i know, not by 3.5% and used to be a couple years ago but not quite the 13.5% my wife and i thought was a bargain a few decades ago. costs were higher simple bank cds were higher too. depends where you are coming from. i bet if you are young or younger than me which apparently is a lot of people, all of this is a bit jarring. take it from someone who knows jarring. this says nothing, paid more than this. chill out, calm down. things could be a lot worse. rates could be a lot higher. don't believe me. believe history. but if you can't remember history, go back to believing me. someone who used to walk 6 miles to school uphill both ways. save the tears were things that matter, like running out of prime rib at a ponderosa buffet line. that's worth getting angry for. this is not. yet. food for thought. "the five" is now. ♪ >> dana: i am dana perino along with kimberly guilfoyle, juan williams, jesse watters and greg gutfeld. it's 5:00 in new york city and this is "the five" ." we are awaiting an update from authorities in texas where the awesome bombing suspect killed himself today as police closed in. we will bring that to you as soon as it begins. the three week manhunt is over but police are urging residents to be on the lookout for any suspicious packages amid concerns there could be more expletives out there. the suspect has been identified as 23-year-old mark anthony conditt. he blew
very sick individual or individuals. these are sick people and we will get to the bottom of it. >> martha: also tonight, the president is expected to speak shortly at the march dinner for the national committee , he is expected to get on the stage and make his comments. we'll take you there live. plus, james fitzgerald, the profiler who helped catch the unabomber, but first trace gallagher covering all the breaking news tonight on texas. good evening. >> could you make more than breaking news, boy docket is now telling the newspaper, the newspaper delivered in austin is in fact a bomb. he says they're trying to open it, detonated, and investigated. this is looking at a rapid clip, consider that the human bomber ted kaczynski who was behind 16 bombs. in texas, they have seen 16 bombs, six of them and 18 days and the rate of attack is accelerating. the first explosion on march the second was a packaged bomb that killed a 39-year-old man. the second was ten days later on march 12th. another package bomb that killed a 17-year-old boy and entered a 40-year-old woman. since then, there have been for devices in eight days and the central texas is crawling with investigators. watch. >> we have agents from all across the country, we have our national response team here, we have the canine explosive here. we are working hand-in-hand with our fbi partners, state and local partners, we've been working around the clock. >> even though the expose of them slices themselves a bit different, investigators believe the devices are linked. the first four victims were black and hispanic leading police to initially consider this a hate crime, but the latest victims are white. despite today's explosion outside san antonio, texas attorney general ken paxton says the bomb was mailed from and to austin. the police chief reinforced that statement. watch. >> we are confident that this facility nor any was a target. if you have a package that was not expected, if you are suspicious of the return address, if you will come across any suspicious object, do not touch it, do not move it, but contact 911. >> 24 hours, austin police have gotten 420 suspicious packet calls. after 19 days, still no message from the bomber, but again, the breaking news moments ago, we learned there is a 60 bomb and there could be surveillance video of someone dropping off to bombs at a fedex office just outside of austin. >> martha: this bomber is moving very quickly and breaking news tonight, we'll go back to that in a moment, thanks very much, but first, we go to d.c. where speaker of the house paul ryan is about to introduce the president. let's watch. >> i've got to say, wait a year this has been since we were in this building at this time last year. think about it. think about all that's happened in one year's time. a year ago, we came together, we talked about all the great things that this new unified republic and government was going to do. remember the things were talking about on behalf of the mayor could people customer guess what, we got to work and we are delivering almost promises. [applause] as we help americans reach new heights, you can feel a sense of pride and confidence working its way back into our country. more people are feeling better about achieving things that they thought might be impossible. in our growing economy, it's the best sign of this. after years of just trudging along, we are finally seeing the kind of results that we promised would happen if american people just gave us the chance to lead and lead we have. for months, we've heard how hard it would be to report a tax code for the first time in 30 years and it was. just ask kevin brady. he had a full head of hair when i got started on this project. [applause] we knew that getting this done, we knew it would mean for the american people and the tax cuts have given the economy exactly what it needed to grow. 6 million people, 6 million workers. 6 million workers have received bonuses thanks to this law. [applause] these are real dollars that american families can put towards what they need. people's paychecks have gotten bigger. i talked to one employer just yesterday who told me that because of this new tax law, he's going to hire 5,000 people in america this year, 5,000 people next year, 5,000 people for the next three years. he's going to invest in this country. he'll open up new factories, all because of the tax cuts and this is happening across the country. when we discussed with you last dinner what we were planning, we talked about how we had an opportunity to do big things. well, this was a big thing. passing this economic plan, this tax reform bill, it's why the economy is at a 17 year high with confidence. american people are beginning to see that they now have opportunities that they didn't think they would have. tax reform is not the only thing we've done. we've repealed and reversed a number of record job killing regulations that are holding our economy back and now we are unleashing the freedom and creativity of business owners to hire to expand, to achieve, more in this growing economy. after a systemic effort by the previous administration to cut our military, the men and women who are serving us have the limited resources they need to keep our country safe. that's a promise made and that's a promise that is now being kep kept. on top of all that we have done, we still need to do more. we still have more of our agenda that we are going to be achieving. we need to give the american workers a tool, the education they need to thrive and our economy. we also need to make new advances in our infrastructure program that we need. the president just talked about this in new hampshire the other day and remaking good on this. we are taking the fight against this awful opioid a epidemic. these are things were getting done, these are solutions were bringing the table. [applause] this is the core of what we have done. it's how we are restoring the confidence among the american people. we need to sell this message. we have upended the status quo and we are actually improving things for our constituents. where actually materially making a difference and that's why we are in these jobs. we need to make it clear for our constituents that if you reelect us, we will continue to push this economy higher, we will take control of washington returning to the states, and we will empower people with the freedom and ability to reach their full potential. that's what the republican party stands for, that's what our agenda delivers and that's what's happening in america. [applause] i know we can tell this story in our districts and i know we feel more optimistic about our economy and where things stand, they understand it's because of our policy. they'll understand that it's because of the chance they brought to washington and we will win this debate this fall, mark my words. before i introduce our next guest, i want to say two things. i want to give one thanks to steve stivers our and rcc chairman. i can't say enough about him. he's done a phenomenal job and his enthusiasm has propelled the nrc see forward. thank you. i also want to think tom amber, even though he's a minnesota vikings fan, for serving as chairman of this. you can have a good year every now and then. tom is a great member of our conference, he's made tonight such a success. thank you very much. [applause] finally, let me say a very quick word about a very special guest that we are honored to have with us tonight, the president of the united states. [applause] since taking office, donald trump has held true to what he said he was going to do. go figure. he ran for office, said what he was going to do and is doing it. he promised the forgotten men and women of this country and that's a mantra that has guided him every cycle day in the white house. strolling back regulations -- just look at how this economy is doing. look at how people are having an easier time finding work and getting ahead. the positive results of free speak for themselves. i'm thrilled that he's here with us tonight. please join me in welcoming the president of the united states, donald trump. ♪ >> president trump: thank you very much everybody. what a group. what a group. thank you. [cheers and applause] thank you very much and i have to say, i don't know, but you broke the all-time record. last year was rare record and i was here too. in the year before that, you didn't do so well and i wasn't here. you went from 18 million, which is good, not great, to 30 million last year and this year, i think that was some kind of an all-time record by the way, you have to be proud, but this year, we did $32 million. [applause] that's quite all right. it really is wonderful to be here with so many friends and colleagues and it really true and great americans. i want to begin by thinking our incredible house, leadership team, paul ryan. paul, thank you. if you paul. [applause] a wonderful man who have gotten to know very well, what a personality. kevin mccarthy. where is kevin? stand up. thank you, kevin. a man who's got more courage than all of us, steve soliz. [applause] you don't have to sit, look at him. kevin, he got up faster than you did. i don't know. conference chairwoman kathy mcmorris rodgers. kathy. great job. [applause] great job, kathy. and rcc chair steve stivers. i didn't even know about that. i'm impressed. i don't know if i like that or your political career better, but they're both very good. thank you. and tonight's dinner chair, congressman tom amber, thank you. thank you. thank you, tom. thank you very much, great job. 32 million, i guess you did a great job. we did it together. [laughter] he said you did it i said no, we did it together. that's the way we are working. our republican majority is one of the most successful in the history of the united states. now we must work to keep our majority so we can keep up the fight for american workers, american security, and american values in trying our glorious constitution and the great american flag. this year in the selection, we are fighting to win and we're going to win. there is no reason why we shouldn't win with what we've done over the past year. no reason whatsoever. we love our country, we cherish our liberties and we always put america first. america first, it's about time. it's about time. our agenda is already exceeding our highest expectations. we've already accomplished more than we said we would, it's been a long time since you've heard that. we sit at the other night that donald trump actually has accomplished more than he said he would, so that's a good feeling. ed wasn't even a friend that said that the other night. that's really a good feeling. we've created more than 3 million new jobs since the election and if we would have said that number prior to the election, nobody would've believed it's possible. jobless claims are at a nearly 50 year low, 50 years. [cheers and applause] african-american unemployment has reached the lowest level ever recorded. [applause] and i have to tell you, the fake news about two weeks ago got me on that one because two months ago, it was the lowest level ever recorded. then about four weeks ago, it's not as good. i made a speech, i said african-american unemployment has reached the lowest levels ever recorded and it really wasn't. it's good, but it wasn't. they got me. here's what happened. last weekend, ed went back down to the lowest level ever recorded, so we have it. it makes us feel good. that's an important one and here's another one. hispanic-american unemployment has also reached historic lows. the lowest ever recorded. [applause] women, the lowest levels in 18 years. wages are rising at the fastest pace in more than a decade. i've been talking on the campaign trail for so long that wages have been stagnant for 18, 20, and 21 years. you see it, companies are moving back, chrysler is moving back to michigan. you look at so many different companies, apple products are moving to wisconsin. we have massive companies moving back and they all want to be back in. americans produce in the mining, construction, and manufacturing industries engage more jobs in february than in any month in nearly 20 years. think about it. [applause] did you ever hear numbers like this? hard to believe, these are incredible numbers. the economy is booming and it's booming because we pass a big tax cut. when they came to me, they said we're going to pass tax reform. i said why hasn't it been done and 38 years? they said we don't know, you just can't do it. i said it doesn't make sense. your cutting taxes. i don't know, but here's the bill. x tax reform, its tax reform. i said there is something wrong. how come it hasn't happened? i think i have the idea, don't call it tax reform, how it tax cuts. it was never called tax cuts. they said what is that? i said tax reform might mean you're reforming taxes and you're going to raise taxes, nobody knows what it means. call it tax cuts. in fact, let's call it that tax cut cut cut bill. [laughter] paul ryan wouldn't do it. he is a classic guy, he said i can't do it. so we called it the tax cut and job and that's fine. [applause] ic kevin brady here someplace. stand up, kevin, please. [cheers and applause] he doesn't stop. let's not tell anybody come out we have a lot of cameras back there actually, let's not tell anybody, kevin, about phase two that we've already started. phase two tax cuts. thank you, kevin. more than 6 million americans have already received a tax cut bonus or a pay raise and that is just the beginning. i want to thank everyone who made this incredible victory possible including so many friends that work with kevin and myself, people in congress, great senators, great congresspeople, you are really incredible, so enjoy it because we are going to start probably on monday with kevin and myself and everybody on doing it again. i just want to thank you and on behalf of paul and kevin and my other kevin, i don't know, i think brady is better looking. [laughter] we really are, i have to think the people in this room because you really made it possible and you worked hard and you wouldn't stop and he wouldn't take no for an answer. a lot of obstacles, you wouldn't take no for an answer, while republicans were fighting to reduce taxes for hardworking americans, the democrats were fighting to increase taxes. that's what they want to do. they're saying how do you lose fat? how do you increase taxes? maybe they'll call that tax reform. [laughter] every single democrat and congress opposed our middle-class tax cuts. if democrats were to gain control of the house, the first thing they would do is raise your taxes. they would raise your taxes, they would take away what we've done and raise your taxes and actually, i've seen some of the numbers, very substantially raise your taxes. republicans have also repealed one of the nation's cruelest and unfair taxes ever. the obamacare individual mandate. [cheers and applause] the mandate is gone forever and that's the beauty. you pay a lot of money not to have to pay. and not to get health care, so you pay not to have health care. that wasn't so good, but we got rid of it. it included that talks about is anwar and alaska, one of the great sites of energy in the world. i didn't think it was a great deal and then the other day, one of my friends in the office said is it true? and i said i don't know, who cares? what is that? what does that mean? they said, is it true? i said, what does it mean? what's the big deal? they said reagan tried, every single president tried, and not one president was successfully getting it. i said you got to be kidding. after that, we fought like hell to get and more. he said it was amazing. by itself, that would have been a big bill, but that was included in we're doing great, by the way on energy. we are now an exporter of energy, can you believe it? 10 million barrels, folks. we just cracked 10 million barrels. we've also ended the onslaught of federal and other regulation. that's a big deal. [applause] i hate to say it to kevin, but some people consider what we've done on regulation as important and some even more important than the tremendous tax cuts because the regulations were killing our country. they were killing us. together, we have set a record for cutting the red tape, passing a record number of bills to permanently remove job killing regulations. all over the country, their building where they had no chance of getting going. even if you look at the pipeline, immediately upon taking office, i let the pipelines go. we let them proceed, 48,000 jobs and we're going to have two great environmentally friendly pipelines. they would have never been built. we've ended the war on american energy and we've ended the war on beautiful, clean coal. [applause] thinks of this republican congress, we are transforming the va to keep america's promise to our brave, incredible, beautiful veterans. [applause] and i want to thank chairman bill rowe, all republican majorities really sent me legislation that has been incredible, really incredible. we have va accountability come out we've been trying to get this for 30 30 years, accountability, it sounds easy, but va accountability and we got it passed. that means that people who are very bad, they are bad in many ways, you couldn't fire people from the va. now you look at them, they do a bad job, they do something wrong, they hurt our veterans, we look at them, and we say jim, you are fired, get the hill out of here. [cheers and applause] i made a lot of money with that phrase, that was great. [laughter] congressmen role, where are you? congressman, thank you, great job. great job, thank you. really moving along. an choice is coming. choice for the veterans can move along, they can go and see a doctor and have it taken care of and we pay. that's the big one, do you agree with that? because of republican leadership that all of you helped make possible, america is safer and america is much stronger. our military is now better funded, better equipped, and better prepared to defeat any foe that dares to threaten our country for our people. america is being respected again on the world stage. we are rebuilding a very depleted military, $700 billion and next year, $716 billion, we had to do it. obviously, defenses number one and you know what else? jobs, lots of jobs because we build, so it's lots of jobs. the last eight years, democrats apologized for america. republicans on the other hand are standing up for america. [applause] we've seen a lot of apologies. the last eight years, we've seen a lot of apologizing, not any longer, we don't apologize. it's been an incredible -- it took a little while to figure that one out, ? it's been an incredible year for the republican party and the accomplishments of our party and congress are even more impressive because democrats have stood in the way of progress every single day. we have hundreds of people that cannot commit to the administration because they're being slow walked by the democrats in the senate. last count, it was 270 people. the only thing good about that in the private sector, they were cutting payroll. we want to get them and one of your originals, mike pompeo will be very soon our new secretary of state. mike is going to do a great job. not only did democrats universally opposed tax cuts, but every single democrat voted no on better health care. they voted no. every single one. the one thing they do great is obstruct. they're great at obstruction. there are wonderful at sticking and a block, they rarely break up, i think will break them up a little bit because a lot of them are saying nice things about me in certain states that we won by a lot and they're running in races, you know about that, right? they really are a block. they just vote no and i don't think people want that when it comes time to elect. they don't want to fix our health care system, they don't want daca, they do not want daca because they think it might be a good political issue and we want daca. daca is very much tied to the wall and we have to have the wall. the drugs that are pouring into our country and the people that we don't want in our country, will have the wall. they don't want daca, they really don't. they want to use it as a political football and guess what? i think it plays better for us than it does for them because we want to do something for the 800,000 and they don't, so it's been a little bit of a change of position and were going to win that one every time, but we're also getting getting the wall. nearly every democrat voted against a ban on late-term abortion. when unborn babies can feel the pain. the late-term abortion ban is common sense. supported by almost two-thirds of the american people, but virtually every democrat voted in lockstep against protecting these innocent lives. on issue after issue, house democrats are way outside of the american mainstream. nowhere in the democrats extremism and nowhere can you see anything displayed more clearly than on immigration. a vote for democrats is truly a vote for open borders, people pouring into our country, we have no idea who they are. they're coming in, open borders. you look at sanctuary cities where criminals are protected. if house democrats control the committee and control the floor, they will block every single effort to secure our borders and to defend our communities. nearly every house democrat voted in favor of sanctuary cities. they voted to release criminal aliens to prey on innocent american lives. republicans believe our cities should be safe havens and law-abiding americans, not for criminal aliens or illegal immigrants. [applause] it's time for congress to stop funding sanctuary cities so we can restore the rule of law. [applause] the american people are with us, let's fight to save those incredible american lives and you see what's happened. you see the slaughter, you see the kind of killing and hurt and pain and we are fighting very hard and i think we're doing one hell of a job. you see the difference in numbers, but the laws are not helping us because we have some laws that are very much against everything that we stand for in this room. house democrats also voted against cates law, a common sense bill authored by chairman bob goodlatte. where is bob? thank you, bob. [applause] that bill has been sitting for a long time, hasn't it? it's too bad. they voted against legislation to keep getting members like ms-13 out of our country. these are extreme and dangerous positions. they make no sense. here is our message for the coming election for the macon people. if the democrats ever got back into power, they would vote to raise her taxes, release dangerous criminals, open your borders, shut down this great surge of american energy that is tremendous for jobs, tremendous for the economic wealthy of our country and frankly, helping the world, they would take over american health care, take away your second amendment, and chip away your jobs to foreign countries like has gone on for so many years and those days are over. those days are over. [applause] the world, including our friend friends, has been taken advantage of the united states of america. we can't allow that to happen anymore. we just can't. we want our jobs to be here, we want our great factories, are great plants to be here. we don't want people fired and watch a company leave our country, make a product somewhere nearby, ship it back into our country, not be taxed, and all we get out of it is unemployment and pain. it's not going to happen anymore. that's why so many companies are moving back. there moving back, first time in many, many decades. that's why we need strong republican majorities. [applause] it doesn't matter what democratic candidates say on the campaign trail because once democrats get to washington, they always do the same thing, they vote for the liberal pelosi agenda down the line, straight down the line every single time. they will never vote for us, they will never vote for what's right. these days, there's no such thing as a blue dog democrat. a red state democrat, or a conservative democrat because they are all pelosi democrats. weak on crime, weak on terrorism and weak on national defense. [applause] on terrorism, in iraq and syria, we've taken back almost 100% and a very short period of time a land that they took and in all took place since our election. democrats like to campaign as moderates, but they always govern like radicals. that is why i am going to campaign all across this country to elect republicans so we can reduce taxes and further reduce crime, increase jobs, and make our communities safe and prosperous and secure. i'll be all over the country. you'll get me all over. you're going to get me all over the country and i'll be complaining every single trip, but i'm going to get there. we're going to keep criminals off our streets and we're going to keep terrorists the hill out of our country. [applause] our opponents are feeling the most candidates they've had in a quarter century. many have not held office before which means it will be easy for them to conceal their true beliefs. they won't know anything about these people. that's why we must tell the truth over and over again, a vote for a house democrat is a vote for higher taxes, open borders, and the destruction of american jobs and american wealth. it's also the destruction of the american dream. they're destroying that beautiful dream, but to win, we have to outwork the opposition. for some reason, when a party wins, what happens is they lose. two years later, i know what happens, i figure i could never understand. 95% of the time, they end up losing the midterms. it's called complacency. i couldn't understand why. we do record business, the economy is the best it's ever been ever. i think ever. how has it ever been better? the stock market is at an all-time high, but jobs are at number one, 154 million jobs, that's the most jobs and the history of our country. we need more people. we're going to have an incredible expansion, but it's called complacency. he worked so hard, look how hard. you work, you work, you work, and you win and now you take it easy. so happy we won, that was so hard, then a year goes by and all of a sudden, you're running again. and you get complacent and you lose, but then what happens? are we going to win in 2020. we have to worry about '18 before we worry about '20. there is complacency and i can understand it. it's natural. we cannot be complacent. we have so much to gain in this country has so much to lose, so we have to remember. we have a short period of time now, we have to remember and the other thing, we had five races up until last week and with five races, we won all five. these people back your expected us to lose a couple of those races, may be more than that. we won. they didn't know what to do. so they said we didn't win by as much and by the way, if we won buy more, they would have found a reason. we are fighting the press, we are fighting the media, we always will for whatever reason, but we're 5-0 and then we lost by 300 votes the other night. 300 out of 200,000 votes. i will tell you, that area in pennsylvania, their energized because i made a speech there two nights before and i tell you what, that crowd was going. they were happy. they were thrilled. i wish i was running. [laughter] that was some energetic group. it was close, it was really close. we went in there, they were down, good man. didn't quite make it, but think of it, lost by about 300 votes out of all of those folks. it's pretty incredible, but we can't let it happen, we have to win. there's nothing like winning, we have to win. in the last election, we defined every expectation and totally proved the pundits wrong. they said there's no way to 270. everybody believed them, i even believe them. i heard this for six months. you cannot win unless you win the great state of ohio. i kept hearing that. they told them a little down in ohio, so i went to ohio come out there great people. those are great people. we really won ohio by a lot. we won ohio by a lot and we won iowa by a lot and we ran the east coast because we have a tremendous disadvantage in presidential election. much easier to get the popular vote, but it's a much different campaign. it's someone that transfer the hundred yard -- , but we just rn out the east coast and it was a thing of beauty, but they all said we couldn't do it. now they say it's the midterms, here come the midterms. as usual, they say 95% of the time, it doesn't happen, but nobody's ever had an economy like this. nobody's had a military that's getting so much stronger so fast. nobody's ever done what we've done. the people in this room, nobody's ever done it. we sent a message straight to the media, to the lobbyists and said this city doesn't belong to you, it belongs to the american people. that's the message. [applause] i shouldn't say to the people in this room. [laughter] a couple of you are a little marginal about this, but i came up with this expression, it's called drain the swamp. i hated it. i hated it. it was a speech during the campaign and ed was a term that was given to me, it usually like to think by myself, but this was given to me, which bothered me too. they had this expression during the swamp, and i hated it. i thought it was so hokey. i said that is the hope yes, give me a break. i'm embarrassed to say it. i was in florida with 25,000 people going wild and i said we will drain the swamp, the place went crazy. i couldn't believe it. then the next speech, i said it again and they went even crazie crazier. we will drain the swamp, i hate it, especially these people right here. [laughter] they are saying please don't say this mr. president. don't worry, close your ears, we will drain the swamp and every time i said it, i would get the biggest applause. after four or five times, i said what a great expression, i love saying it. it's amazing. it really is amazing. the city does belong to loyal, hardworking, taxpaying americans and with your help, with the help of the hard work of everyone in this room, and you do work hard, it's a tough job. politics is nasty. i used to say the toughest people real estate developers in new york city. now i see you guys are babies. [laughter] they come to see me, i say you are nothing. these politicians are brutal. we've got a horrible false story on the front page of every newspaper. real estate developers are no longer the toughest people, politicians in washington are the toughest people. it's not even close. we're going to defy the predictions once again. we will keep the house majority. [applause] and we will keep fighting for the change they make and people want and deserve. the democrats think they are invincible. i watched maxine waters, have you ever seen her? [laughter] a low iq individual. low iq. we will impeach him. we will impeach him, but he hasn't done anything wrong. it doesn't matter, we will impeach him. this is what we are going to to fight against. it's easier to just keep going good, we are going to keep the economy strong, the truth is the democrats never have been more vulnerable because they've lost touch with normal everyday working people. democrats haven't learned, they still think the loyal citizens who care about jobs and borders and security are deplorable. when hillary made that speech, she said deplorable, i didn't know it was going to be that ba bad. the problem is, she said so many of my people were deplorable and the next day, i made a speech and everybody's wearing i am deplorable, i said something's going on here. that was not a good word to use, you have to be careful in politics, right? i would say her last statement about women, they have to get approval from their husbands, their sons, and their mailboxes to vote for trump. that was not a good statement. [laughter] [applause] not good. you notice how fast the democrats have run from these statements now? they are disavowing those statements like i've never heard before. she's wrong, people that were her biggest supporters are now saying what is she doing? why doesn't she just go home? [laughter] that was not a good statement. we know the truth and the truth is that we are great patriots, we really are, we're doing what's right. we come from every city, from every town, from every walk of life, we come from backgrounds and it doesn't matter the color or the creed, but we all have one thing in common, we love this country. we love this country. [cheers and applause] we're putting the interests of our country and our people and our taxpayers, we're putting them first. this election is not merely about which party is in charge of congress. it's about whether the american people will be in charge of their government. the choice cannot be any clearer, it's never been this clear. think of it. it's never been this clear. the democrats used to be somewhat in the middle and now there so far right. meaning that's where they're going to be, but the democrats used to be right here. now what happened is they just moved, they just moved, they are going so to the left-hand side of the equation, i don't know whether or not it's going to even be possible for them to do well, but for some reason, they'll probably do okay. we can't let that happen. they have gone so far left, we have to go a little bit further right, we're doing very, very well and i think you're going to have something very, very special take place in a short period of time. [applause] while congressional democrats delay, and they obstruct, and they resist, republicans actually delivered. there is never been a group that has delivered like we've delivered, especially in the first year of an administration. we are creating jobs for everybody, for the african-americans, population, their thinking me. they are thinking me. hispanic americans, all americans, but they're really thinking us while democrats denigrate our history, republicans believe young americans should be taught to have pride in america's achievements and to treasure our truly incredible heritage. while democrats hand over our rights to international organizations, we defend our sovereignty and we defend our constitution and we defend our american flag. where the ones defending it. [applause] while democrats sit on their hands, republicans stand with law enforcement, these are great people. [cheers and applause] we stand with working families and we always probably stand for our national anthem. [cheers and applause] we believe in strong borders on safe communities and we believe in the truth of our national motto. in god we trust. [applause] our victories are americans victories because the republican party is now the party of the american worker. the american family, and the american dream. our mission is to serve the needs, the desires, and the highest ambitions of the american people and that's what we're doing and we are really doing a great job of it. we work for them, their hopes are our hopes, their dreams are our dreams and the future is what we are fighting for each and every day. with your help, and with our republican majorities in congress, we will carry the hopes and dreams of the american people all the way to victory in november, so important. so important. and together, we will build a future of safety, security, prosperity, and freedom for all of our citizens. we will never give in, we will never give up, and we will never, ever stop fighting to make america great again and that's what's happening. thank you, god bless you, and god bless america. thank you, everybody. congratulations on this evening. thank you very much. thank you. >> martha: $32 million raised tonight. huge success. joining me now, david bossie, president trump's deputy campaign manager. both are fox news contributor's and both have been watching this with us tonight. most of it i would say was pretty standard in terms of what the president talked about, reliving the election and talking about tax reform, going through all of that. he talked about pennsylvania, he said we almost won pennsylvania, he said i wish i was running because i would have one back. a david, your thoughts on what you just heard? speak out this was a tremendous speech just like he gives us every day around the country, just look he gave in pennsylvania, st. louis last week. he is about promises made, promises kept and that's what this speech was about. he was recounting the promises he made during the campaign and know what he's done in his first year in office and i think the success, whether it's economy, all across by every matrix, this president is succeeding, america is a stronger and better than it was before he was in office and that's what we need to remind people of because it's either that or impeachment if the republicans lose the house. >> martha: he pointed out that maxine waters has a low iq, but he said before that she wants to impeach him, here's what he said about hillary clinton. okay, so he pointed out the fact that hillary's other deplorable thing, it didn't work well during the campaign, now hillary is out there talking about how women ask their husbands and their bosses basically house they should vote. let's play this from an interview that hillary did with a reporter from the netherlands. >> after a relentless negative campaign that i could have done a better job may be carrying or exposing more than i did, but nevertheless, it really took a toll on me, but a lot of it is because i am a woman and a lot of it is because i was seeking to break that -- >> does not drive you crazy? >> yeah. >> martha: it drives a lot of people crazy, it sounds like a broken record. >> hillary keeps getting asked these questions and she has every right to answer the question as to what went wrong with the election. i think looking forward as to where we're going to go right now, this speech laid out exactly what the battle lines are going to be heading into these midterms. these midterms are about the basics, that's what's going to happen. which base is most motivated? the president tonight gave a speech that he hopes will motivate and mobilize his base. the problem for him i think is that speech will mode allies and motivate the democratic base just as much as we have seen in all these special elections. >> martha: thanks for watching tonight. that's our story for this event, we'll see you back here tomorrow night at 7:00 p.m. let's go to d.c. where tucker carlson is ready to go. ♪ >> tucker: this is a fox news alert, a bomber is terrorizing the state of texas. a fifth bomb has gone off in a suburb of san antonio, texas. that follows for other explosions and in austin. on tucker carlson, welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." we are joined by kate steagall who is in austin >> this just in from the bureau of alcohol, tobacco and firearms and explosives, the suspicious package that was found at this fedex distribution center back here right next to austin airport, it contained a bomb