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the suspects have been named at said and cherif kouachi. they fell off the radar screen enough to carry out the attacks. one left an identity card in the original get away car before twot car jacked another vehicle. sharif was arrested in 2008 for funneling fighters to iraq. they were yelling avenge the prophet as they fled the scene. last night police raided their last known address in one of the oldest cities of france the capital of the campaignhampagne region. a third and much younger man who was originally named adds a suspect said to be a brother in law to one of the two brothers turned himself into police not far from france after hearing he was wanted. his friends are saying he was not involved he was in school at the time. the main concern is a possibility of a new attack in paris and there has been one this morning. a female police officer was shot in the back on the outskirts of paris. reports are now she has died. a street sweeper was also shot in the attack. one of the gunman is said to have been captured. another on the lose. it is not clear if there is a connection between this morning's shooting and what happened yesterday. also we are getting reports in eastern france of an explosion at a cab bob shop near a mosque. it just adds to the insec tourity in france right now as france enters national day of mourning. >> amy kellogg reporting for us lye london this morning. we are learning more about victims as vigils are popping up all over the world. we are live in the studio with the details on those that were killed. >> ainsley once inside the newspaper headquarters the brutal terrorists had a specific plan and a specific target. in total 2 team were-- 12 people were killed. four celebrated cartoonists now being referred to as the fearless four for their willingness to push the envelope. the victims each called out by name by the shooters before being executed on the spot. stefan was the editor and one of the cartoonists. he was advocate of free speech often getting death threats for his cartoons but refused to live in fear. he said i would rather die standing than live on my knees. 80-year-old george swolinski cartoonist in since 1960. jean caboo the lead cartoonist and bernard verlock who went by the name and author of several comic books as the world mourns their loss. they fought and died for the preservation of free speech. >> no group claimed responsibility for the attack. the big question being what could have happened. >> joining us josh cats ooa former cia officer and former cia advisor to the homeland security committee committee. let's get right to this. they have been targeted since the 1960's in 2014 the new york times said they funneled money to ransom payments to terrorists in 2008. you say france is inflaming the situation. >> absolutely. that dollar figure is on the very low end. we have seen french activities through out the middle east. they have often been targeted by these groups because they have been known to pay the fees to kidnap more people to attack our interests and attack theirs. it is really important to also in this time when we are looking at could things have been prevented? they could have been prevented. unfortunately that makes it even worse. we need to look inside france as well as outside france. there are lots of factors in play. >> you spoke about prevention. let's talk about this. you served in the cia i served in the intelligence community as well. one of the witnesses who encountered in another part of france or paris said the gunman said you can tell them it is al qaeda and yemen. the public may be the best mechanism do you agree and how do you accomplish that? >> i could not agree more. that is absolutely spot on. we have to take responsibility for our own security. my family talks about this all of the time to companies. they have to take responsibility for that. more and more companies are seeing especially the larger firms that the security the facility of people is vital to the company's continuing operations. i would like to end and say that the average person has to take their own safety and their own security very personally and do something. be proactive. >> joshua cats thank you so much for being here. great insight this morning. >> thank you lia. now to extreme weather. blinding snow causing a major 18 car pileup near pittsburgh. you can see the cluster of those smashed trucks and cars. three people were killed. in michigan horrifying momentses when a mini van carrying a family of four slides underneath the back of a moving semi-truck. it is dragged for 16 frightening miles with a broken windshield the mother desperately calling 911 for help. >> we ran into the back of a semi-truck and he's not stopping and our car is embedded underneath of it. >> police finally flagging down the truck driver. thankfully no one was seriously injured. when will this arctic blast end. >> hi ainsley. unfortunately the cold air will stay in place across portions of the eastern united states. this morning is one of the coldest mornings we have seen so far especially across portions of the east. take a look at the numbers. the current windchill temperature when itat it feels like is 10 degrees below zero feels like 20 below in the city of boston. we are not just looking at northern areas dealing with the cold air. even down in places like atlanta you have a current windchill temperature of 0 degrees. we have dangerous amounts of cold out there. we have a number of windchill advisories in place and warnings. frostbite and hypothermia is a concern within minutes if people head outdoors without the proper deer gear on. we have the warnings and advisories through central florida and also parts of southern texas. over the next several mornings that cold air will stay in place especially across portions of the midwest. this is friday morning. the forecast temperature 0 degrees in chicago. saturday morning even colder out there in chicago. 10 below zero. you can see across the northeast also on the cold side. sunday morning staying cold out there. we have had lake-effect snow because of the cold air moving over the great lakes. right now looks quiet out there. we have new warnings that have been issued because an additional 1-12 feet are-- 1-2 feet are possible over the next few days as the arctic blast continues, ainsley. >> thank you, maria. >> ohio on high alert after officers shoot and kill a man with a knife outside of a terminal. the man tried to buy an id ticket. the wounded suspect got up and attacked again when fatal shots were fired. >> then we heard at least three more consecutive shots. that's when we knew something wasn't right. >> it is an airport but we know it is safe, as safe as they can make it. i never expected any one to have to use their gun at all. >> police found four more blades on him and other suspicious items in the car. ainsley? >> mickie minnie and measles. those who visited are sick with the highly infectious viruses. three were not vaccinated three more are now being monitored. disney is working with the health department. >> even after the white house's veto threat congress is full steam ahead on the keystone pipeline. plan to go bring the bill to a vote tomorrow. he talks about the president's willingness or lack thereof to sign the legislation. >> it could go away very easily if the president would sign the permit which he could have done in the last five years or sign the bill after we pass it and the house and senate passes it and sends it to his desk. there will be a number of democrats we have got give it more time and more time. >> the veto could be over written for two-thirds of the house and senate. president obama touting america's return to greatness while they previewed the state of the un beyond address. the president speaking in arizona today where he is switching his focus to housing. doug joins us live in washington. >> it is unusual for a president to roll out not just themes but spefkts of the state of the union address early. he's doing it this january. he started it at the detroit motor company in detroit touting a new trade agreement and economy including the car industry. >> there is no doubt thanks to the steps that we took early on to rescue our economy and ooto rebuild it on a new foundation we are entering in the new year with new confidence america is coming back. the facts are the facts. >> the new trade agreement is 12 company asia pacific plan called the trans-pacific partnership or ttp. some fear it could hurt the industry obama bailed out the domestic auto bits as well as other manufacturing. congressman dan kildee told routers i am concerned about the trade policy and implications were are a manufacturing base. it vastly benefited the crowian auto makers. the white house responds u.s. auto manufacturing has not been hurt by that. visits to arizona today and tennessee on friday the president will rule out other new policies including a cut in fha mortgage insurance premiums which they say will save the average home buyers 900,000 a year. it is bad news for taxpayers and risky for the housing industry. >> doug mcelway in washington. thank you, doug. >> 13 minutes after the top of the hour. a massive manhunt right now for two of the suspects accused in the paris terror attacks. the men heard yelling allah akbar which means god is great. but the white house not calling it extremism. >> we know exactly what that is. it isn't as if it is a mystery. >> charles krauthammer with a warning about the terror targets. another major cell phone carrier making a move. that's good news for you. i've always loved exploring and looking for something better. that's the way i look at life. especially now that i live with a higher risk of stroke due to afib a type of irregular heartbeat, not caused by a heart valve problem. i was taking warfarin, but wondered if i kept digging could i come up with something better. my doctor told me about eliquis... for three important reasons. one, in a clinical trial, eliquis was proven to reduce the risk of stroke better than warfarin. two, eliquis had less major bleeding than warfarin. and three, unlike warfarin there's no routine blood testing. don't stop taking eliquis unless your doctor tells you to, as stopping increases your risk of having a stroke. eliquis can cause serious and in rare cases fatal bleeding. don't take eliquis if you have an artificial heart valve or abnormal bleeding. while taking eliquis, you may bruise more easily and it may take longer than usual for any bleeding to stop. seek immediate medical care for sudden signs of bleeding like unusual bruising. eliquis may increase your bleeding risk if you take certain medicines. tell your doctor about all planned medical or dental procedures. those three important reasons are why eliquis is a better find for me. ask your doctor today if eliquis is right for you. does a freshly printed presentation fill you with optimism? then you might be gearcentric. right now, all printers are on sale. plus great deals on hp ink and toner. office depot & officemax. gear up for great. >> one suspect in the terror attack that left a dozen dead surrendering over night. the other two are still on the lose. the white house not calling it an act of islam extremism. that brings us to look who is talking. charles krauthammer saying the president needs to acknowledge this is an ongoing war between radical islam and the west. >> the guy was shouting allah akbar. we know exactly what that is. it isn't as if it is a mystery. it is the significant traurature of terrorism. the president is expressing sympathy and saying we are going to show our determination but for years he has been giving speeches in which he says the war has corrupted us we cannot remain on a par footing. you can't end a war unilateral unilaterally. what we are getting week after we're week in australia and canada and every where are redecorations again and again the war is ongoing and the west is the target. >> much more on that topic with former ambassador to the united nations john bolton. he's going to be here live at 5:30 eastern time. stick around for that. >> overnight he shouted i want to kill cops as he tried to rundown police officers. this audi just missing two port authority cops before slamming into their cruiser parked outside of the holland tunnel. one of the officers had to leap out of the way of the speeding car. found inside the car synthetic marijuana. the driver matthew cash admitted to being high on angel dust. he is now facing charges. while you were sleeping a subway station in chile rocked after a group of robbers blow up two atm's. >> fire trucks seen rushing to the scene. police say the six crooks escaped in a get away car with a huge wad of cash. a manhunt is underway. the no word of any injuries. >> are you sick of getting charged for mobile data you are not using? 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"fox & friends first" continues right now. >> welcome to "fox & friends first". i am lia gabriel in for heather childers. >> i am ainsley earhardt. several arrested in a nationwide manhunt for two heavily armed muslim terrorists. this after the massacre of 12 people at a news headquarters in paris. one terror suspect is in custody. >> amy kellogg is live in london with the latest. what are we learning this morning? >> all of the arrests you have mentioned lia and ainsley have-- leah and ainsley have not been the two principle shooters the two principle shooters at charlie hebdo. there appears to be movement just now. the press has reported two shooters from yesterday have been located in northern france. nothing more on that. this is not definitive but it could indicate crucial movements in this story. the two methodically quickly killed 8 writers and cartoonists who by name at charlie hebdo and a visitor in the building then went on to kill a police officer outside a man who happens to be a muslim. now the sus speblths were named last night as said and cherif kouchi french citizens with liberian dissent. sheriff was in-- cherif was in priz fon for faisalcilitating fighters to iraq. their residents was raided 7 people raised. one man turned himself in hameed was originally named as a suspect. he is 18 years old. they are considerably older. he is said to be an in-law of one of the kouachi brothers. it is not clear what role he played in the attack. there has been another shooting in paris on the southern edge of the city a female police officer was shot in the back. she has succumbed to her injuries and died. apparently also a street sweeper was shot in that attack and is seriously injured. one of the two gunmen fled one is in custody. it is not clear if there is any connection through yesterday's attack. this is a city on edge. also there were attacks on muslim places of worship overnight. no casualties. but there is a real sense of fear and insecurity understandably across the country this morning as france enters a day of national mourning for the 12 people killed yesterday and of course now that police officer this morning. ainsley? all right. amy kellogg in london this morning. i will take it from here. thank you amy. we are learning more about the vigils that pop up across the world. 8 of the victims specifically targeted journalists who were working at the paper. four of them celebrated cartoonists being referred tos a the fearless four for willingness to push the nfl. each -- envelope. each called out by name before being executed on the spot. those are being remembered as fierce advocates of freedom of speech. instead of living in fear they stood up for their beliefs. >> now the fox news alert. howard dean saying he doesn't think the gunmen in the paris attack should be referred to as muslims. >> i stopped calling these people muslims. they are about as muslim as i am. i think isis is a cult not an islamic cult. >> if not muslim what should we call them? fox news contributor to the united nations john belton. thank you ambassador tore for being with us. howard dean is saying too dall them muslims you have josh ernst saying it's a peaceful religion. we are reporting this morning that the shooters are saying allah akbar god is great as they are shooting down then saying we avenge the prophet. >> they think they are muslims. for howard dean a christian i assume to say they are not with all due respect is like a behind due saying i am not a christian. you may not like their version of islam. they think they are acting out principles of their religion as we see. it. there have been christian fanatics through out history there can be muslim extremists, too. that's what we are dealing with. it is a political ideology it is not a religion. it steams from -- stems from the religion. it is not a question of lone wolfs or home grown terrorists it's an ideology. >> charles krauthammer warns us if we don't address this if we don't call a spade a spade we can't win this war. >> the french called it a terrorist attack. when josh was interviewed early in the morning he called it violence he didn't attach terrorism to that. then he wanted to wait for all of the attacks to come in. the president called it terrorism but he is not calling it islamic terrorism. >> i think it's critical to the president's world view that the threat of islamic terrorism doesn't exist any more. you can treat it as a law enforcement matter and that is disturbing about the reaction since the attack itself. it is consistent with the president's approach during the first six years of his term in office which augers poorly for an effective response. this was a major event in paris. a military style attack on the capitol city of a major western country and if it could happen in paris it could happen in new york or washington or london. we are very much at risk here. >> they eventually did say it was a terrorist attack but didn't call it an islamic terrorist attack. thank you for clarifying this for us this morning and waking up early.r to you. >> thank you ainsley. now to a weather alert. a deep freeze turning deadly blinding snow causing a major 18 car pile up near pittsburgh. you can see the smashed cars and trucks. three killed. horrifying moments for a family of four as they slide under the back of a moving semi. it is dragged for 16 frightening miles with a broken windshield the mother december fratly calling 911 for help. >> it was snow blinding we ran into the back of a sem myi-truck and he is not stopping our car is embedded underneath of it. >> police finally flagged down the truck driver. no one was seriously hurt. when will this arctic blast end? maria molina is in the weather center with the latest. >> for several more days we are looking at very cold temperatures well below average in places across parts of the midwest and portions of the northeast. take a look at some of these numbers early this morning. in places like minneapolis it feels like 20 below zero 29 below in chicago. we are looking at the cold windchill temperatures only in places across the great lakes and midwest. atlanta and georgia the current windchill temperature is 0 degrees feelings like 7 in dallas. along the coast current temperatures a the 19 degrees. this is why we have so many windchill advisories and warnings in effect through central florida and southern parts of texas. we are looking at the risk of hypothermia and frostbite being a big concern within a couple of minutes heading outdoors. by friday morning cold air in place. take a look at the forecast for saturday morning and sunday morning. so the cold temperatures again just staying in place out there across the east. we have several more days to go of cold companiestemperatures. lake-effect warnings lake erie and ontario expecting 1-2 feet over the next several days. let's head over to you. >> thank you maria. president obama kicking off a preview tour at a stop in lake michigan. he will head to phoenix for today's housing speech. doug mcelway joins us live in washington with more on this. >> morning ainsley. this whirlwind tour is a bit of a combination victory lap and rollout on specifics of the state of the union address to be delivered on january 20th. the president started at the ford motor tore company plant in detroit today sitting behind the we'll of a new mustang and touting a new trade agreement as well as a comeback of the u.s. economy including the car industry. >> there is no doubt thanks to the steps that we took early on to rescue our economy and to rebuild it on a new foundation we are entering into the new year with new confidence that america is coming back. the facts are the facts. >> one of the specifics of the president's state of the union plan is to introduce a new trade agreement that ttp or trance pacific partnership as it is called they will cover 12 asia pacific trading partners. some opponents fear it could hurt the very try obama bailed out the business. he told routers i have great concerns about the trade policy and implications for a manufacturing base. analysts point out a korean trade agreement benefited the korean auto makers but they maintain the robust domestic auto industry is proof u.s. auto makers are competing well. today the president travels to arizona before heading to tennessee tomorrow. then he will be introducing another program fha mortgage premiums cut which will save the average home buyer 900 a year. critics say bob corker of tennessee says it is bad news for taxpayers and it is risky given the housing industry is just gaining momentum from the bursting of the housing boubl. >> a new york police officer waking up in his own bed this morning after a hospital sendoff fit for a hero. (applause) >> detective elero was all smiles when he was let go. this comes a few days after he and his partner andrew dosi were shot by an armed robbery suspect. he is accused of shooting the two off duty cops as they tried to arrest him. he charged with five counts of attempted murder of a police officer and is facing life in prison. officer dosi is still healing from his gun shot wounds. a landmark decision by a connecticut supreme court is expected later today. earlier this week we told you about 17-year-old cassandra who is refusing to treat her hodgkin's lymphoma because she and her mother think the chemo is poisonous. connecticut stepped in forcing the treatment because they say she is a minor. the court will hear both sides today. >> more signs pointing to 2016. scott walker hiring a campaign manager within the next few weeks walker is also said to be forming a leadership pact. this coming as rumors that chris christie will announce his 2016 plans later this month. he previously said he would make an announcement in february and march. texas governor rick perry scheduled a trip to new hampshire next month. details of the trip are unknown but he expressed interest in a presidential one run. >> it is 42 minutes after the top of the hour. you want to be a lawmaker? 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the former chairman of ceo reacts to the speech yesterday in michigan at a closed chrysler closed auto plant. we will have frank luntz with us to talk about what's happening in 2016. all coming up on "fox & friends." don't miss a minute. atlanta fire chief cochran just lost his job over a book that he wrote outside of work for his church bible study group. he says some of the words he used were too inflammatory but the chief chief cochran is not apologizing. cochran says he's considering legal options but has no desire to get his job back. after months of headlines on horrible plane crashes the newest list of the world's safest airlines is out. air new zealand and british airways on the list. airlineratings.com named quantum number one. no american carriers even made the top ten. listen to this. a dog proving he is beyond a best friend. buddy saving his owner's life by waking her up as her houseboat goes up in flames. >> it's heartbreaking. everything i own is on that boat. my clothes, my paper work my pictures, my everything is on that boat. i love my dog. he saved my life. he gets an extra treat tonight. >> investigators say a space heater was left on and that started the fire. >> the people have spoken for the fourth year in a row. >> and the people's choice for favorite tv show is open envelope. "the big bang theory." >> the big bang theory, the big tv winner at the people's choice awards. robert downey jr. scored two awards favorite dramatic actor and favorite movie actor. but betty white stole the show. she accepted the price for favorite tv icon. >> when the first guest tonight came up on stage and said she'd stay on stage with us as long as you'd let her you abused the privilege with me. >> betty white turns 93 next my grand mom just turned 97 a few days ago. >> i know. good morning. is she watching? >> she probably is. >> it is now six minutes till the top of the hour. a massive manhunt is still underway for those two suspect in the paris terror attack. we have everything you need to know before you leave the house this morning. police crash a party with hundreds of teens inside, but now the parents are paying for it. does a freshly printed presentation fill you with optimism? then you might be gearcentric. right now, all printers are on sale. plus great deals on hp ink and toner. office depot & officemax. gear up for great. it is 58 minutes after the hour. before you leave the house here's what's happening today, at this hour police tracking two muslim terrorists wanted after the massacre at a french newspaper. overnight one suspect surrendering. president obama in phoenix today as part two of his state of the union preview tour. he is expected to announce a cut in housing insurance premiums hoping to entice new buyers. nearly 100 divers scouring the tail section of the airasia plane in hopes of locating the airplane's black boxes. indonesian officials believe the boxes may be buried in mud. time for the good, the bad, and the ugly. first the good. team russ will go head to head with team fluff in the puppy bowl. next the bad. a california father arrested for hosting a booze-fueled birthday party for his teenage daughter. police say at one point a hundred teams were in the house. >> this guy might be an idiot but at least he's honest. he wore a t-shirt that says who wants drugs? seriously? i have drugs. he really did have drugs and was arrested for pot and meth. >> great to see you. "fox & friends" starts now. >> good morning. it is thursday, january 8. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. a fox news alert. while you were sleeping several arrests are made and one suspect surrenders after that deadly attack at a french newspaper. a massive manhunt is underway for two brothers still on the run. what we're now learning about their terrorist ties. >> one a convicted terrorist. >> a police dash cam capturing this terrifying moment. cops duck for cover as they are ambushed with gunfire.

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about 2,600 miles away in the first western contest of the year, hillary clinton won the democratic caucuses in nevada. ,e'll have more on the democrats t just a moment, but first, ert's go to major garrett, who is covering the republican race for us tonight and is in spartanburg, south carolina. major? >> reporter: jim, donald trump s,s now won two primaries, new hampshire and south carolina, puat have historically propelled republicans to the party nomination and in some cases, the presidency. now, nothing is certain in this campaign. what we do know is trump encountered the most consistent and withering criticism during the week in this state smestioning his conservatism and his temperament for the presidency, tv ads, robo calls, direct mail pieces and broadsides from his republican rivals all across the state. and guess what? he still emerged the winner, with his constituency and his message intact. nsre's some interesting data from the exit polls. hoey show that trump won in three crucial categories-- who can handle the economy, who was an agent of change, and who could embody voter anger with washington. in every case, jim, trump won oese by two to one, in some cases, by better than two to one. lastly, trump surprisingly won among evangelical christians, a large voting bloc in south carolina, thought to be a prime ted cruz constituency. for cruz, millions spent and many conservatives mobilized, but all it gained him was a tight battle for second with marco rubio. rubio had the endorsements of novernor nikki haley and the rest of the state's tea party- aligned political establishment, but this night belonged to donald trump, a campaign that has no pollster, and has no senior strategist, it has trump, ndfew loyal aides, an instinct td a working class message that d t only captivated those voters and brought them into the process but also captivated many other republicans as well. od axelrod: all right, major, so let's look ahead. er. trump will have the nevada caucuses on tuesday, and then ekper tuesday a week from then. how does today set him up for the next week and a half or so? >> reporter: it creates momentum, jim. iimary victories give people in other states the option and the encouragement to vote for the front-runner. cs politics, momentum is enthusiastic, and it is fectctious. and the trump campaign is going to say, "i told you we'd win. we're winning now. ont on the bandwagon and we'll keep winning." he's well positioned for nevada osd certainly well positioned for the march 1 super tuesday ionearies. >> axelrod: major garrett in south carolina, thank you. in the democratic side, hillary clinton is the winner of today's y'vada caucuses. is y cordes is at clinton campaign headquarters in las vegas. nancy. >> reporter: jim, this is a huge relief for the clinton camp hater a brutal loss in new hampshire about a week and a salf ago. here at caesar's palace, clinton told cheering supporters that some may have doubted us, but we never doubt each other. >> i want to thank each and every one of you. you turned out in every corner of this state with determination and purpose, hotel and casino workers who never wavered. ( cheers and applause ) tens of thousands of men and women with kids to raise, bills to pay, and dreams that won't we. this is your campaign. and it is-- >> reporter: senator sanders conceded, but said he believes oe has a good chance to win a number of states on super tuesday, march 1. >> a little while ago, i called up secretary clinton and congratulated her and her staff with a victory here in nevada. they ran a very aggressive, effective campaign, and i applaud them for their efforts. n> reporter: clinton really mernstormed the las vegas strip over the past couple of days, meeting with dishwashers and casino workers and maids. at a caucus here at caesar's palace today, in fact, we met a maid who had spoken to clinton twice in the past week. and women, in fact, were instrumental, jim, in clinton's win here. they broke for her 57% to 41%. and that was a big turnaround from new hampshire, where she pst among women by 11 points. older voters were another key to her victory. voters over 45 went for clinton 66% to 31%. sanders, as he has before, dominated with younger voters. he won them by a whopping 47 hoints. and, interestingly, he also bested clinton among latino voters, whom she has been courting here for over a year. but she dominated among african americans and that is a big sign of relief for the clinton utmpaign which is looking to heep its african american coalition together in south .arolina, where democrats hold their primary a week from today, jim. am axelrod: nancy cordes with the victorious clinton campaign in las vegas. thank you, nancy. for more on this big night in presidential politics, let's go back to bob schieffer in south carolina. bob, let's start with hillary clinton, who is now headed your way. does her win in nevada today steady her ship? hi reporter: well, i think at least it is no longer taking on water. some people were saying during the middle of the week she might actually lose out there in nevada. she didn't. it wasn't a win by as much as the clinton people would probably have hoped for. but i think it is a win, and it will give her a little bump iing into south carolina, where she is a heavy favorite because me the large african american vote, to beat bernie sanders. so she's still-- she's still churning along here. >> axelrod: bob, you've been doing this a long time. have you ever seen anything like donald trump? p? reporter: no. short answer, no. but i'll tell you what, he didn't win down here by as much as some people thought he was going to win. had he won by, say, 20 points or something, i think he would be en route to getting the republican nomination. att what we've got here is the three-man race now. maybe the lead on the republican side is marco rubio is back in the game after his early stumbles. ted cruz is still in there. i think there's some hard decisions that are going to have to be made now in the next few days by jeb bush and his people. does he stay in now or does he fold his tent? that we'll find out in the next couple of days. >> axelrod: bob schieffer, as always, thank you so much for your insight. a week after he died while vacationing in texas, supreme court justice antonin scalia was diid to rest today after his funeral in washington. our chief legal correspondent jan crawford was there. ( bells tolling ) >> reporter: the bells tolled 79 times for justice scalia, one lir each year of his life, as his casket was carried into the basilica. thousands of mourners gathered to pay final respects for a legal giant, the court's most influential conservative voice. >> let us pray. scaleporter: scalia's son, the reverend paul scalia, led the mass, delivering a moving and personal homily. >> but more important to us and to him, he was dad. sure, he forgot our names at times or mixed them up. ( laughter ) but there are nine of us. ( laughter ) he loved us. and sought to show that love. >> reporter: with those memories, there was humor. in he had found himself in my confessional line. ( laughter ) and he quickly departed it. t laughter ) as he put it later, "like heck if i'm confessing to you." >> reporter: all eight justices were in attendance. justice clarence thomas, the only justice to speak, read scripture from the book of romans. >> because the love of god has been poured out into our hearts. >> reporter: it was the second ily of official mourning for scalia, who lay in repose friday n the supreme court. people were still waiting in line late friday night to pay respects to a man who left a lasting imprint on the law and whose sudden death leaves a void on the court that will be difficult to fill. now, justice scalia's burial was private, and by tomorrow, with the end of the official mourning, washington will immediately turn its focus on to the battle over his successor. jim. >> axelrod: jan, thank you. now to the clash between apple and the f.b.i. this week, apple announced it would fight a court order to unlock an iphone belonging to one of the san bernardino terrorists, citing privacy concerns. let's bring in cbs news business analyst jill schlesinger. a lot of angles to this story, thll. let's look at the business angle and what this could mean to apple's brand. >> reporter: you know, it's reazing. apple fans, they are so loyal. we look at marketing surveys, lod they say, "part of the reason we love apple is because of the privacy." right after this thing went public, we saw twitter light up htth people saying, "thank you, apple," with a special hashtag. this is part of apple's brand promise-- privacy, security. and i think that's part of the battle. yo axelrod: new york police department deputy commissioner john miller said yesterday, hang on, there were iphones in the pockets of people killed in california and in paris as well. so in a way, this is also a lose-lose for apple. >> reporter: absolutely. in fact, we know that john's boss, mr. bratton, the commissioner, said this was corporate irresponsibility. and i think apple is a little eot concerned because they may make people upset about, "hey, why aren't you complying? this is national security." but, on the other hand, again, this is part of the promise. and, frankly, what if these people get upset and say, "hey, .pple's not going to do this. we'll go somewhere else. maybe another company will do it." >> axelrod: steve jobs, apple's founder, famously apolitical. tim cook, the current c.e.o., not so much, playing it very differently. >> reporter: yes, very outspoken, really wants to be part of the dialogue in politics. came out as gay in 2014, very supportive of l.g.b.t. issues, very supportive of environmental issues. atthink he believes this is part of his legacy, a moral legacy at gple. ind what's going to be interesting is to see whether that helps him sell more iphones and macs. >> axelrod: fascinating, jill schlesinger, thank you. >> reporter: thank you. tonight, the people in the south pacific nation of fiji are f covering from the first category 5 cyclone ever to hit loere. at least one person has died. more now from carter evans. s reporter: with gusts up to 224 miles per hour, winston may be the most powerful cyclone ever in the southern hemisphere. as it slammed into the island nation, fiji's prime minister took to social media with a warning. >> it's as big and as bad as it gets. and it's currently the biggest storm in the world. >> reporter: sustained winds of 180 miles per hour continued ayrough the night. by daybreak, the damage became apparent. fiji's government declared a state of natural disaster for 30 days. 0,e most immediate concern-- ensuring the nation's 900,000 residents are safe. carter evans, cbs news. los angeles. >> axelrod: and we'll be right back. greater risk of stroke - ay put you at five times they can pool together in the heart, forming a clot that can break free, and travel upstream to the brain where it can block blood flow and cause a stroke. but if you have afib that's not caused by a 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village of 50,000. in exchange for the security, the police are drowning in data. overtime is way up. now the chief is asking state and federal governments for help. >> we currently have a force of 95 officers. we could use many more. >> reporter: the readers do make mistakes. this one misread the 800 number on this ryder truck for the plate of a stolen car. and there's the question of where all this information winds up. jason starr of the american civil liberties union. >> all of that data is being stored somewhere. it can be shared. it can be pulled. it can be sent to other law cforcement agencies. it can be breached by third parties. >> reporter: license plate readers are used in nearly every state. the a.c.l.u. has filed three lawsuits, two regarding the scope of information collected, and there have been complaints about abuse. chief bermudez is adamant the plate information taken in freeport is never linked to a person unless a crime is indicated, and it's dumped after 180 days. 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me immediately that there had to be some creative potential to it. >> reporter: lund plots his path through the streets of hoctoria, canada. the end result-- a grasshopper, a thug, darth vader, and a mermaid that took 14 hours alone. in one year, lund logged 13,857 miles, the distance from victoria to tokyo and back. does your wife begrudge you the love affair you're carrying on f th the road? >> i think of all of those people who, you know, spend that time sitting idly in front of a tv or in front of youtube. i think that my time commitment in the big picture isn't all that excessive. >> reporter: now the cycling t tist is urging others to get out and g.p.s. their own doodles. >> it's just so easy to go out and experiment and explore and do something creative. >> reporter: what goes around comes around. contessa brewer, cbs news, new york. >> axelrod: one last look at tonight's headlines. donald trump won the republican primary today in south carolina. he did it with the support of voters who are angry about government in washington, and those looking for an outsider. have a look at the numbers as the count continues, a decisive win by trump. marco rubio and ted cruz fighting it out for second. a disappointing finish for jeb bush has pushed him out of the race. bush summedded his campaign tonight. ohio governor john kasich is vowing to stay in the race. on the democratic side, hillary clinton defeated bernie sanders in the nevada caucuses. he's are the latest numbers from nevada. clinton was pushed over the top with the help of older voters and female voters. a six-point win for hillary clinton. and that's the cbs evening news for tonight. later on cbs, "48 hours." and a campaign 2016 update. for now, i'm jim axelrod in new york, and for all of us here at cbs news, thank you for joining us, and good captioning sponsored by cbs a pipe bomb found at the law office of a bay area mayor. >> also, hillary clinton celebrates a win in nevada but it wasn't all good news 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i think the initial shock, he was trying to hit trent and missed him. trent yelled shooter and we yelled to get off the field and he fired two more times and i saw scalise go down. >> sandra: other when it says describing a chaotic scene this morning. senator jeff flake was also in that field. >> i was the first out to steve and another member from ohio who is a physician came out and we applied pressure on the wound. he was coherent the whole time, but he laid out there for at least 10 minutes alone in the field. we couldn't get to them while they were shots. >> sandra: let's bring in leland, he is in virginia right across from that field at this moment. >> sandra, we'll take you through how this went down. it's been relayed to us by eyewitnesses. we are in the outfield over this practice was taking place. the republicans out on the field, congressman scalise, we are told, majority whip is playing second base. witnesses say that gunman was somewhere between that third base dugout in that blue backstop there when he came out shooting. according to one eyewitness with an assault rifle. the shots began right at about 7: 10 this morning. the fact that the majority whip was here proves incredibly significant because it was his security detail that would then begin returning fire in this shoot-out that lasted, depend on who you talk to, between three and about 9 minutes. everyone is on agreement that there were between 50 and 70 shots fired out on this baseball diamond and it very clear from witnesses that the shooter, james hodgkinson of illinois came well armed and on a missio mission. >> based on what you could see, was it clear that this gentleman was focused on shooting on the baseball field? he wasn't randomly shooting civilians or other people in the neighborhood? >> he was not randomly shooting at civilians from what i saw. he seemed to be focused on shooting at the assumed capital police officers who were in the black suv exchanging fire with him. >> congressman was shot in the hip, those two capital police officers also suffered injuries. it does not sound like either of those injuries are life-threatening. the head of the capital police saying he thought his officers acted in heroic fashion. important to note when this was going down at 7:00 this morning, this is a very residential neighborhood. parents walking their children to school, people out walking their dogs as well. senator rand paul saying essentially had scalise's security det here, this could have been a massacre. >> sandra: we are looking at the video of a representative scalise being taken off that field. we are told he was talking at that time, obviously lying on the stretcher as he was taken off by emergency workers. leland, more on the capital police and the situation. we know this happened so fast. joe barton sang the police attacked the shooter and that saved our lives. we just heard those actions being highlighted by president trump as well sing many lives would have been lost if not for the heroic actions of the two capital police officers. we are still waiting on updates for everybody situation, but the president says he has spoken with steve squeeze his wife. he is confident that steve's glaze will make a full recovery. >> exactly. in terms of injuries, this could have been so much worse. you understand why. according to the alexandria police, from the time of the first 911 call, it took their officers 3 minutes to arrive and that was 3 minutes that the shooter could have had essentially a completely open field to go after whoever he wanted. instead, he had congressman scalise is security detail returning fire. not all congressmen have security detail. because steve's police is a leader, he gets security detail certainly, a couple of well armed and well trained officers offer situations just like this. congress also realizing that no now, eggs have certainly taken a different turn in the political discourse. there is a lot of discussions about that and we have heard that throughout the morning. they came out here to practice for the congressional baseball game. it's a huge fundraiser here in washington, d.c., and a chance for everyone to put aside partisan differences for a night of baseball and raise a lot of money for charity and there was just an announcement made on the house floor that that game is going to go forward and there was a rounding applause from the congressional floor when it was announced. a lot of people in washington saying i wasn't planning on going to congressional baseball game, but now i will and a sign of solidarity. essentially, a lot of folks in congress saying we will not be deterred by this man's actions. >> sandra: we continue to watch that scene play out in alexandria, virginia. i want to open us up to the couch at this point. we've got former speaker of the house newt gingrich on the couch. it's good to have you here. what a day. >> newt: very sobering. first of all, we should be very grateful that nobody on the congressional side was killed. nobody working for congress was killed. i think our prayers ought to go out for steve's scalise and his family and the people who were wounded. i don't think any of us expected today for this turn to come. you had an increasing intensity of hostility on the left. i talk to college students regularly who say to me, if they openly are for trump, they get threatened. some of them get death threats, we have the intensity on the left that is very real, whether it is somebody holding up the presidents head and blood or whether it's right here in new york city, a play that shows the president being assassinated or is democratic eating national politicians who are so angry they have to use vulgarity because they can't find in a common language. this intensity has been building since election night. >> newt: with respect, everything you're saying is true, but to talk about it in the terms of left and right right now in the wake of it, does that make sense? does it make it worse? do you rise above it and say we all need to stay calm and focus on the work ahead of us? >> newt: you had a series of things that tell people that it's okay to hate trump, it's okay to consider assassinating trump and then suddenly we are supposed to rise above it. until the next time? >> this is a moment where you realize the climate has been so divisive and it's been so political and this is a time where you say these are all human beings whether you're republican or democrat, we are all americans, we are all in this fight together. you have been in washington for years. you have experienced many of them. do you compare this to anything that has been experienced on capitol hill? >> newt: when i was speaker, we had an incident one friday were suddenly the police broke into my office and told me to stay and i had no idea what was going on. two of our policeman had been killed directly under my office by a person who is deranged who came in and before he went to the metal detector pulled his pistol and started shooting. it was a very horrifying event. we are told in this case and this is the only point i want to make. this guy goes out and says are they democrats or republicans? that's a pretty directed kind of behavior. i don't know of any time in recent history where they have the kind of level of intensity that we see growing. maybe you are right and maybe this is the moment where everybody takes a step back i'm a but we know evidence of that and i have been communicating. i go out on campuses, i have young people tell me how threatened they are. >> sandra: on the other side, they'll say the rights right's fault for inciting this. i'm only saying what the other side is saying. they will say that trump's language on the trail, that the president -- i'm not agreeing with us at all, i'm only bringing it to the couch. >> sandra: at this point, we are dealing with the news. as he continued to see these live pictures, the fbi is heading up this investigation and they are going to continue to provide us updates. i'll bring in gillian turner. we are expecting the house of representatives to adjourn at any moment. we are going to hear from house speaker paul ryan and nancy pelosi. they are going to open up with a prayer and then we will hear from leadership in the house as all of this unfolds. >> gillian: i think this is a wake-up call for washington, for the governing class in the united states. i think that the message here for the rest of the country is that it's time to really lead by example and that starts with congress, it starts with the executive branch and it starts with the judicial branch. it's incumbent upon the governing class in washington to do their best to if not and the gridlock, then to at least and that hellacious rhetoric that has done nothing but divide our nation over the last election cycle. today is a poignant tragedy coming on the heels of what has been the most heated political season we've seen in many years. it puts a fine point on the problem at hand and i think it really is a wake-up call for bipartisanship. anyone who is not calling for that today is doing americans a disservice. >> abby: in that moment, president trump is very measured, calm, he spoke to this cleese family saying the prayers of not just the city come about the nation are with him. he really came across as someone who is leading this country and you can argue that he doesn't always come across that way, but in that moment, it was a message of this nation needs to hear right now. >> newt: he was very presidential and he did what a president should do which is try to bring us all together at a moment when there is a crisis. i watched bill clinton do this brilliantly after the oklahoma city bombing. his ability to bring the country together and a moment of crisis. i thought president trump today good job. >> sandra: he broke the news of the subject was dead. we still have not had that confirmation directly from the hospital, but the president started with that. >> newt: i suspect he's getting immediate reports from the fbi. i agree with you, i thought the president was exacting what he should be today. i think it will be wonderful if he came out of this moment and we went to bipartisanship. >> melissa: i don't know if it's bipartisanship as it is turning the temperature down. that's what i'm getting at and i think that's what a lot of people are feeling. we're not saying deny how you feel, but is there a way to turn the temperature down? >> newt: first of all, nobody from either party condones somebody who is deranged who goes out and starts shooting people. let's be clear, this is not a partisan thing. on the other hand, a lot of the tensions you are seeing is legitimate, its historically real. donald trump was elected by a group of people who want him to enact profound change. if you are the folks who don't want to change, he's an enormous threat to you. if you watched yesterday where i thought the attorney general was brilliant. his tension with his former colleagues, this is very real. the kind of country we are going to be over the next 20 years, it will change very dramatically based on what trump is trying to do. i think people on the left are legitimately frightened. ed represents such a different world. on election night at 8:00, they thought hillary was going to win and they would continue going the direction they were going in for years. at 11:00 that night, donald trump won and it's a shock of that change that led to the intensity we are seeing. the intensity is real. it is not because people have bad tempers or because -- >> gillian: you think about the most divisive place to be and we're supposed to hear from nancy pelosi momentarily, these two people coming together, what is the mood like on capitol hill after a moment like this when often you have people fighting all day long? >> newt: first of all, it's very sobering. all of us are potentially targets, we can all potentially have something like this happen. i think there's a sense of real concern and a bipartisan sense of concern for steve's police and the people who have been wounded. at a human level, it's family coming together. it's an opportunity to have some conversations. >> sandra: we know house leadership is on the floor. following their prayer and pledge, there will be brief remarks by paul ryan, speaker of the house and democratic leader nancy pelosi. afterwards, the house will adjourn. no votes are expected in the house today. we are waiting for that to happen. we've heard from the president already. something else we are learning about the suspect, the belleville illinois suspect. a lot of digging being done on him, who he was, what his past was. so far we can confirm that he lived in belleville, so they cannot dig into his criminal past yet. let's listen in on the house floor at this moment. >> men and women who have taken very public responsibility for our country that carries so many burdens and today, the reminder shared danger. may this day be characterized by kindness, goodwill, and compassion one to another. god bless america and may all that is done this day be for your greater honor and glory, amen. >> the chair will lead the house in the pledge of allegiance and invites members of the gallery to join. i pledge allegiance to the flag of the united states of america and to the republic for which it stands, one nation, under god, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all. my colleagues, they are very strong emotions today. we are all horrified by this dreadful attack on our friends and colleagues and those who serve and protect this capital. we are all praying for those who were attacked and their families. steve scalise, zachary barth, met micah, special agent david bailey, special agent crystal grinder. we are all giving our thoughts to those being treated for the injuries of this moment. and we are united. we are united in our shock, we are united in our english, and attack on one of us is an attack on all of us. [applause] i know we want to give our thanks to the first responders and to the alexandria police department who were on the scene in minutes. i know this house wants to state unequivocally that we are, as ever, awed by the tremendous bravery of the capital police. [applause] i spoke with special agent bailey and special agent greiner this morning. one was being treated and one was about to go into surgery. i expressed our profound gratitude to them. it is clear to me, based on various eyewitness accounts, that without these two heroes, agent bailey and agent greiner, many lives would have been lost. [applause] i know that we want to learn as much as we can about what happened. we just all received a briefing from the sergeant of arms. i have complete confidence in the investigation is being conducted by the capital police, the fbi, who are also working with local law enforcement. i know we want to extend our gratitude for the outpouring of support that we have received throughout the capital answer of the country. and now, knowing steve's stomach steve scully says we all do, he is probably really frustrated that he can't play in the baseball game. i know that he also wants us to commend the bravery of those who came to the aid of the wounded. in the coming days, we will hear their stories and we will have the chance to hold up their heroism. my colleagues, there are so many memories from this day that we want to forget, and there are so many images that we will not want to see again. there is one image in particular that this house should repeat and that is the photo i saw this morning of our democratic colleagues gathered in prayer this morning after hearing the news. every day we come here to test and to challenge each other. we feel so deeply about the things that we fight for in the things that we believe in, at times, our emotions can clearly get the best of us. we are all imperfect, but we do not shed our humanity when we enter this chamber. for all the noise and all the fury, we are one family. these were our brother and sisters in the line of fire. these were our brothers and sisters who ran into danger and saved countless lives. before this house returns to its business, let's just slow down and reflect, to think about how we are all being tested right now, because we are being tested right now. i ask each of you to join me to resolve and come together, to lift each other up and to show the country, to show the world that we are one house, the people's house, united in our humanity. it is that humanity which will win the day and it always will. god bless. i yield. [applause] >> mr. speaker, i rise to join the distinguished speaker and paying tribute to the men and women of the capital police force and also, and sadness, the assault that was made on our colleagues and members of the staff. to my colleagues, you'll hear me say something you never heard me say before. i identify myself with the remarks the speaker. they are beautiful remarks, mr. speaker. thank you so much for the sentiments that they represent, thank you so much. [applause] again, we are not one caucus or the other in this house today, but we speak for each other and saying that we send our thoughts and prayers to our colleague steve scalise. personally, we have our italian-american connection so as soon as i heard his name, i was filled with concern as i would be for anyone here, but we have that special connection. i'll be asking you every 5 minutes, how is steve coming along? and also to zach barth and roger williams office, and of course, as a speaker acknowledged, crystal greiner and david bailey and acknowledging their sacrifice and how fortunate we all were that they were on the scene because of their lives would have probably been lost. i want us to remember that every single day, the capital police protect all of us, take risks for us, and while a day like this where we can focus on it, it doesn't mean that other days aren't as challenging. especially i want to call attention to detective john gibson and officer jacob tests -- 1988 in july, they lost their lives protecting the congress and capital. not just the members of congress, the staff, the press, and our visitors, people who come to see this capital, this great oedipus to democracy known throughout the world. they are protecting a great deal and it is an attraction and that makes it all the more risky. you may not know this my colleagues, but every time i pray which is frequently and certainly every sunday, i pray for all of you. all of you together. the earlier years, i used to pray for your happiness, for the fact that we were working together, heed the words of president kennedy in the closing of his inaugural address when he said god's work must truly be our own. how do we view what god's will is for us? how to become together to give confidence to the american people? we would have our disagreements and we would debate them and we would have confidence and belief and humility to listen to other others. in more recent years, i have been pregnant only only for that, but for our safety. i, above anyone in here has been the target -- political target and therefore, the target of more threats than anyone, perhaps then the president of the united states, barack obama. and so, i prayed for barack obama and i continue to pray for him and i pray for donald trump, that his presidency will be successful and that his family will be saf safe. it is about family. we are called for a purpose to this body. it's a great thing and we know what it means to serve and we recognize that in others. we also recognize that you have constituents and we have ours and we respect you and your constituents who sent you here. all worthy of respect. but we do have our differences. so i pray, my prayer is that we can resolve our differences in a way that furthers the preamble to the constitution, takes us closer. today, again, it's in the family. it's an injury in the family. for the staff and for our colleague and his leadership. as i mentioned just a minute ago, sports are a wonderful thing in our country, probably one of the most unified. we like to say music or plays, but sports really bring us together in our cities. you see people who have the biggest difference of opinion in politics and yet, when their team is on the field, people come together. people come together. when this team is on the field practicing with such camaraderie and such brotherhood, i don't know if you have any sisters on your team, we have two on our team. for this person to take this action was so cowardly, so cowardly. we learn more about motivation and the rest of that. it seems particularly sad. any violent death is sad, but particularly sad that at a time when people want us to come together and we are prepared to come together tomorrow night that this assault would be made. we cannot let that be a victory for the assailant or anyone who would think that way. tomorrow, we go out on the field, will root for our team, we want everyone to do his or her very best and we will use this occasion as one that brings us together and not separate us further. with that, again, i want to think the speaker for bringing us together and again, with endless gratitude to the police, particularly today of course. never out of our prayers, detective john gibson. thank you, my colleagues for the opportunity to share some thoughts with you on this sad day. steve and others, you are deeply in our prayers. please convey that to him, mr. speaker. thank you to you all. [applause] the >> sandra: that was how his leadership addressing the house of representatives, nancy pelosi, paul ryan on the house floor. moments ago, paul ryan lead things off as a house adjourned it saying we are united. we are united and are shot, we are united in our english. an attack on one of us as an attack on all of us. nancy pelosi then took to addressing the floor saying i identify with the remarks of the speaker. i pray for donald trump, that his presidency will be successful and that his family will be safe. all this after the shooting at a congressional baseball practice in alexandria, virginia this morning. the house minority whip, steve scalise is undergoing surgery. the president spoke before all of this, confirming the suspect is dead. the fbi is leading the investigation at this moment. former speaker of the house, newt gingrich is on the sofa with us. what did you make of the remark remarks? >> newt: could have been a good of speech as paul ryan has ever made. he used exactly the right language and he is speaking to the country and speaking to the entire house. you saw that and nancy pelosi's initial reaction which was totally to embrace what he said. just as you pointed out earlier, the president rose to the occasion today. i think that here, you had ryan as the speaker of the whole house, not leader of the republicans speaking. >> sandra: before he began, we are talking on the sofa about the emotions that must be running through there today. he led by saying there are very strong emotions today. an attack on one of us is an attack on all of us. i want to give us news and hear -- we learned coming about bernie sanders and his campaign connection to the suspect. again, confirmed dead and the president. bernie sanders is saying in a statement, i've just been informed of the alleged shooter at the republic in baseball practice is someone who apparently volunteered on my presidential campaign. he is expected to speak to that in a little while. your thoughts? >> newt: first of all, you can't hold bernie sanders responsible for every volunteer who shows up in his campaign. i think it was a smart of him to get that information out early estimate as he knew it, but i don't think anybody should suspect -- suggested has anything to do a pretty sanders. >> melissa: denouncing it in the strongest language -- he wanted to denounce it. when speaker ryan said and all the noise and on the fury, we are one. it has to make people who were actually there and actually colleagues of the people who were shot, like he said, it's very sobering. at the moment, it could turn down the temperature and a sense in me for a bit. >> abby: it seems like there is an aching for that. people are wanting some sort of compromise, for people to come together. we got a statement from congress -- at the time when congress able to come together, she said it doesn't matter if you're democrat or republican, if you serve the institution of congress, you're connected to your colleagues former and current. the shooting is an attack on all who served. pretty powerful coming from her. >> newt: there are about 40 members of the house who have been working together to find common ground. i suspect their numbers will rise dramatically. there are a lot of people at the center who are very, very bothered by the level of intensity and hostility and they would like to trying to find a way to get things done as opposed to attacking each other. >> sandra: when you reference such strong language that bernie sanders used to condemn this attack, this man apparently volunteered on this presidential campaign. ernie sanders said i'm sickened by this despicable act. let me be as clear as i can be. violence of any kind is on's acceptable >> gillian: there's not a lot to do but condemn it. this is a national security crisis as someone who focuses on those issues. this is the worst kind of national security crisis. you've got an american is perpetrating violence against other civilian americans. i think that was the approach we saw from president trump in his remarks earlier, not just a rally and people emotionally, but thinking, talking to the ongoing investigation, this is what the fbi is doing. there's a lot of really important critical work to be done in the next few hours. in the wake of an attack like this, the country's most vulnerable. what we are seeing from the fbi, just like they would come out there string with the suspect and then they are opening the investigation and widening concentric circles to look for who has affiliates were, what his motivations were, who he associates with, how long he's been thinking about this. we're going to see a lot of information, over the next hour, 24 hours, 48 hours that will create more of a holistic picture but who this person was in the can start to draw conclusions. right now, we have suspicions as to his motivation. >> abby: we have to be careful. we don't have all the facts and hearing bernie sanders come out ahead of all this, i think it speaks to our culture lately and our society. we are so quick to point fingers and put out the blame game and i think bernie sanders is aware of that like we all are to say this will be reported on that this was a volunteer in my campaign, of course is not his fault, but it was smart of him to get ahead of it because he knows the reaction on social media, you can control it anymore. >> newt: we live in a world where if you don't get it out in a manner of minutes, your behind the curve. this whole system of social communication is changed so radically. he did the right thing in the smart thing. >> sandra: we got new details coming in on the condition of house majority whip steve scalise who was airlifted to the hospital and underwent surgery. a second victim also being rushed to the facility. griff jenkins is live at medstar hospital. >> here at the hospital, it's a level one trauma hospital, probably the biggest and around 8:00, a helicopter arrived here bringing congressman scalise. we learned the other victim is one of the u.s. capitol police agents on speech anyone's detail and her name is krystal greiner. she was shot in the foot or leg, somewhere in the lower extremities. the hospital is not confirming or commenting on whether she also went into surgery. let me point out as well that i have very recent information that congressman scalise is still in surgery. he had gone in stable. david bailey was not shot. crystal greiner was a shot, david bailey hurt his ankle or somehow was injured in the melee and of course, we have heard everyone from the president to speaker ryan and minority leader pelosi praising the heroic actions of the u.s. capitol police. since i've been here, aside from the d.c. police keeping security -- i've seen a number of police vehicles arriving and folks going in presumably for security or even to support their colleagues. the security detail is a smaller detail and would presumably be a tighter knit group of folks. congressman scalise's chief of staff are inside the hospital and have been here since shortly after the congressman arr him. of course, his office releasing a statement that he was able to talk to his wife before surgery. we have a congressman steve scalise still in surgery, but hopefully stable and expected to come out of that. we know crystal greiner was a shot somewhere in the lower extremities, the foot or leg. we would presume she is in surgery as well because she's been shot with a high caliber rifle. we hope to hear some news about that. there is a press briefing microphone stakeout set up for the hospital. we will update you the second that happens. >> sandra: thank you. the update there is the two agents i had been reported shot, one we are learning is crystal greiner, shot in the foot or the leg according to griff jenkins. david bailey, not shot, but injured, not at that hospital he is reporting from. this is where we are at in this. newt gingrich is with us. we are continuing to gather more details. the investigation is being underway. >> newt: one of the problems with real-time information is the actual process is slower than the dead man's of television. over time, we'll learn a lot more. some of it may take a day or two, they have to look at other background. i was surprised that they learned as rapidly as they did who they is, what his initial background is. this is pretty rapid investigative stuff. you can count on the fbi devoting whatever resources. >> sandra: sometimes when you're locked into a battle, and it turns into the work that is trying to be done. you need a reason or an excuse to compromise and save face. i wonder if there is an opportunity in coming together for people to maybe step in and negotiate again and get things done. you can see is on the sentiment and not lose face in negotiations. >> newt: ed partly depends on the leadership. again, one of the great challenges we have is a profoundly division of the future between where trump wants to go and where nancy pelosi and chuck schumer and even more to the left people like elizabeth warren want to go. you can be personable. my whole career with people like apart or tom foley who was speaker of the house, you have good personal relations. that doesn't mean you betray your caucus or conference. it was easier to work with bill clinton because as long as the deal was somewhere in this box, he wanted a deal. when you start dealing with people when they're over here and you are over here, it's not very productive. there is an opportunity here to be a little more bipartisan. they just passed a reform bill on a huge bipartisan vote. it gets much harder when you start talking about what kind of judge and still nominate. nominate. all of a sudden, echoes to be legitimately partisan. but doesn't mean it's personal hostility. >> gillian: i move to washington 11 years ago and i heard increasingly folks and the policy communities there and politics also bemoan the loss of camaraderie between folks from different sides of the aisle. people like to hearken back to a time, may be 15 years ago and folks from different sides of the aisle would battle things out on the house floor, on the senate floor and they come together and socialize in that sort of eroded. >> newt: think about people you know personally who cannot have a political argument in their family at sunday dinner. >> gillian: you don't bring up politics. i will say is this baseball game that they were practicing for, it's the one time in the year that congress got so excited. they come together, they all practice, it was all about athleticism. you have to say, we are still the most resilient nation in this world. our reporter on the ground said this game is still going on tomorrow night. many people we talk to you in alexandria so they weren't planning to go, but after this happened, they will be at this game. you can talk about politics, but this is a good moment to say we are pretty strong nation and we continue to move on. >> sandra: we want to go to capitol hill. chad program is there. steve's glutes was shot along with two others, one being a capitol hill aid and one being one of the officers. what are you learning? >> i was hearing very early on that the other officer might have gotten some sort of fragments and we talked a lot about the safety provided by the u.s. capitol police about something i want to point out our aids. aids seemed to always be on the front line when these things go down. we had an aide who was shot today, when gabby giffords was shot in arizona, we had david zimmerman who was her age and was killed. there have been a number of aids over the years who have been shot or even killed. that's the reason why there is a room named after gabe zimmerman. it's a room that democrats meet in. there have only been a few aids killed in the line of duty. you had some aids killed -- after they gabby giffords shooting, there is a very poignant moment on capitol hill when john lawrence, who is the chief of staff to nancy pelosi and barry jackson who is the chief of staff to john boehner, they led a bipartisan vigil and they walked down together down the house steps and had a moment of silence to demonstrate that aids are also often on the front line >> sandra: for a lot of people, we are right in the middle of the workday here. this happened when a lot of people are on their way to work. just to recap what happened here, a congressional baseball practice was taking place in alexandria, virginia. we are now learning that the suspect, who the president said it is now dead, a 66-year-old man from illinois, approached from behind the dugout, shot down steve's police, one capitol hill aid and one capitol hill police officer. and injured another in all of this. it's a moment for this country when things are so divided. how do things change here? does this bring the country together, albeit even for a short time? >> that was the brief pause that happened when giffords was shot. i think they were supposed to vote on health care. republicans had just gotten majority back in early 2011 and everything on capitol hill came to a screeching halt for a couple of days because one of their members had been shot. we've had two members of shot and six and a half years. i start to wonder about whether or not they're going to rethink some of the security. they don't have a u.s. capitol police details on every member. they have long told me it's impossible to do that. they only put it with the leadership and maybe they should come out and perhaps protect a ball game like this. there would have been no u.s. capitol police present had it not been for steve's police we want to get to congressman rodney davis, republican from illinois. he was on the field. can you give us an idea of how the scene was and how it all played out? >> it was as crazy airwaves and on tv. i heard what i thought was a loud noise. a construction site dropping a large piece, the next thing i heard was one of my colleagues saying run, he's got a gun and i did just that. >> sandra: what did you see as far as the suspect is concerned? what was the first thing that made you run? >> first thing that made me run was my colleagues saying ron, he's got a gun. you just don't expect to hear that when you go out to practice for baseball game that talks about bipartisanship and shows bipartisanship and raises hundreds of thousands of dollars for those who needed the most most in the d.c. area. >> sandra: obviously, we are still waiting on an update on steve scalise. he was carried out that field bleeding, but still talking. the president has said that they do expect for him to make a full recovery. what was that like? >> let me tell you. as a horrifying scene that i never will get out of my mind. i hope to never experience it again. as i was running for cover, you look out on the baseball field and you see your friend, this isn't just a republican leader, with, or congressman, this is my friend lying motionless in the outfield. of course, i thought the worst. these are the things that we have to think about when we hear the political rhetorical hate that we have seen and today's society and we have to take a step back. those on the media, those on social media, make today the day that we stand up against those who turn hate into violence. >> sandra: capital police were on the scene. there was a very quick response there. the president was very complimentary and highlighted their actions, saving many lives would have been lost if not for the heroic actions of the two capitol hill police officers that acted so quickly there today. what did you see as far as the emergency response in that fiel field? >> president trump is 100% correct. without the great capitol hill police officers that were there, many of us may not be alive today. they were aggressive and charging the suspect. he engaged and that allowed many of us to be able to take cover. they are the true heroes of today. we are going to come together as republicans and democrats, will play this baseball game and i hope to use your show to tell everyone that carries abrupt bipartisanship donate to this game and raise the most we can. >> sandra: i'm sorry, we are taking on, they're so much news happening and as we are speaking to on the phone, we have a live picture up in alexandria, virginia. so much going on as far as emergency response and investigations being led by fbi right now. congressman, we are so thankful that you could jump on and share what you saw and share your story with us. our thoughts and prayers continue to be with congressman scalise as he undergoes surgery in the hospital right now. as well as the aid and the other capitol hill officer that was shot. thank you. we are waiting to talk to rod wheeler and a second. more on this investigation. he joins us now. can you give us an idea what this investigation looks like at this point? >> absolutely. there's a lot going on. it's a multiagency investigation. you have the fbi taking lead on the investigation. they're finding out as much as they can about this shooter, who is this person, where did he come from, did he have any associates, did anybody egg him along? in addition to that, you have the atf because they are doing a trace on the weapon. when did he purchase it? did this guy have a vehicle? were there any warning signs? investigators i do nothing but look at social media. we are trying to establish footprints. did he say anything on the internet and at the end of the day, all these things will come together and they will share their information with each other. >> sandra: we are looking at a 66-year-old man from illinois. he came from unincorporated belleville, not the actual city of belleville, so st. clair county sheriff's say that they are familiar with him, but they would not have handled any criminal activity. they're waiting for more confirmation when his background was, what his record was. they also will be holding a news conference later today. this is all we know at this point and as far as the illinois policy institute pointing out that there is info online, there's been a lot of digging done -- he's voted democrat. we also learned from bernie sanders that he volunteered on his presidential campaign. i say this just to give you the news of what we are learning. >> is going to take two or three days. they're going to do an autopsy on that guy's body. these things are important to the investigation. the investigation begins right now. >> sandra: thanks for jumping on the phone. this suspect, confirm by president trump himself, confirmed dead. the digging is being done. a turning point, speaker? >> newt: probably not, but there was at least a pause. people will stop, take a deep breath. it will be terrific if the president went to the game tomorrow night. it's really a sense of being a ready together. the more people who are together, the better off we'll be. the >> melissa: now people are focused on the idea that it was only the with himself what security there is no one else did and that that is standard practice. do you think that may be some those practices change? >> newt: i hope not. we are a country, we run the risk if you want to be in public life that unless you're there president or vice president, people can walk up to you, they can muck up to you anywhere, talk to you, tell you what they think. we start surrounding these folks with layers and guards. >> gillian: you think back to when you are speaker. it was a really peaceful neighborhood and alexandria, it's like we're living in this world where it's quite unsettling. >> newt: nancy pelosi spoke with the two policemen who were killed when i was speaker. when i was a junior member, we had a terrorist try to set off a bomb in the house chamber while i was there and the police -- we have a long -- we have puerto rican nationals who shot at president truman. we've a long tradition of saying where a free country. i would hate to see us back off of that because there is an occasional deranged person. we have to recognize in a free society that's the risk of freedom. >> gillian: if we get to a place where the only way that american citizens can interact with the representatives is by scheduling a meeting and traveling to washington, the quality of democracy over time certainly erodes and that's a slippery slope. abby has a great point that we have to protect our representatives, but we can't surround them with layers of security because it makes them unreachable. that's not the way we want the government to work. >> sandra: we heard from the president just before the top of the hour and also from house leadership at the top of the hour. paul ryan saying very strong emotions running through the house today. they are horrified by this horrific attack. an attack on one of us as an attack on all of us. the president also highlighting the heroic actions of those two capitol hill police officers. they quickly act on the scene. many more lives could have been lost had they not acted so heroically. our thoughts and prayers are with those injured. right here on the fox news channel, continuing coverage on "happening now" now >> jon: we begin with this fox news alert, the shooting of steve scalise and others on the ball field -- the shooter is now dead. to speed beyond the gunfire rang out after 7:00 a.m. this morning at the ballpark. the public and lawmakers had gathered to practice for their charity baseball game, which will go on as scheduled. the good news, it appears that the victims will all survive. among the injured, congressman scalise who underwent surgery for gunshot wound to the hip. also injured, a congressional staffer

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riot police confront fuel tax protesters in central paris thousands of join violent demonstrations against the price hikes and we'll get the latest from the french capital. i'm nick spicer thanks for joining us. spain has reached a deal with britain and the rest of the european union on gibraltar clearing a key obstacle to sealing an agreement on bracks it british prime minister theresa may has been in brussels for talks with the e.u. chief. ahead of sunday's summit the disputed territory of gibraltar was the last sticking point in may's push to find a compromise with europe. spain's prime minister pedro sanchez now says he will support the deal. earlier to reset may spell out the u.k.'s position on gibraltar. but the u.k.'s traditional approach has not changed and will not change we have negotiated on behalf of children to be sure that they are covered by the holding the old agreement by the change in payment and in the future we will continue to negotiate on behalf of the whole u.k. family and that includes gibraltar uncomputable for special i would always stand by gibraltar i guess you think from the let's bring in a d.w.i. as a barber of a zone who is in london for us barbara theresa may saying that the u.k. will always stand by gibraltar what does that really mean. what does it mean under the circumstances of breck's it of course three's a maze montrose throughout these negotiations and wrote these last months has been nothing has changed that's the expression she clings to but people are really not really believing her what happened is that she had to concede special rights to spain as soon as they knew the stations about the future relationship between the european union that means also spain and britain will come to the economic. relationship will come to trade will come to borders and so on and so forth so that means she did have to give way in order to save the brakes a deal only of course she doesn't want to admit it. ok well that of course all of this is just one more step towards blacks at the big hurdle as we know is waiting back home for treason may in london when she presents the deal to her parliament. that of course is the problem she has and she will be quite happy probably and have a good night's sleep tonight in brussels because she's relatively far away from where the trouble is really brewing in belfast we have seen the party conference off the. northern irish unionist party and this is the party that really is propping up the reason mase government what's happened the leader of the foster reconfirm that they would vote no to this deal to resume a brings home because the northern irish feel treated differently from the rest of the u.k. so she has trouble everywhere boris johnson was speaking up there and then she said breaks it in this form is treason may present it is a titanic mistake just a couple of months ago boris johnson said we will make a titanic success. now he has really changed his tune and it's all bad for the reason may as we stand here today she does not have a majority in parliament for this deal she isn't even close to it ok thank you so much that was the barber of asal reporting for us from london. the united nations is marking the international day for the elimination of violence against women on sunday several thousand women marched in rome on the eve of the occasion they were called victims of violence demanded greater rights for women and chanted slogans against the far right party activists in turkey are also gearing up for demonstrations on sunday just last month the european council warning to do more to protect women and girls against domestic violence correspondent yulia han met with one survivor. my name is hundred nashton i was born in one thousand nine hundred six in istanbul i was always very strong. this is me h. texting or seventeen with a friend we were very happy that day. who hand looks back at her old pictures she likes to remember her teenage years but she has torn one person out of the voters and her husband the man who almost killed her. in our ten year relationship he slapped me he beat me he insulted me. why this happened in the bedroom as well. at some point tunde couldn't bear it any more she wanted to leave her husband there was footage of what happened next one day he approached her with a gun and shot her. i thought this is it i'm going to die and at that moment he put the gun into my mouth and pulled the trigger but he had run out of bullets and that was my second chance thanks to god. is now paralyzed from the waist down her husband is in detention his trial has been dragging on for two years under his afraid he could walk free. there is a lack of reliable statistics on violence against women in turkey rights groups say on average one woman is killed every day when you talk to people on the streets an interesting thing happens almost every woman says violence is a familiar issue. of course there is violence against women here and a lot of news about women being murdered we've had enough of it yet all of us have experienced abuse physical or psychological. that's why i think it's spreading it's was now that in the past and of course my neighbors beaten by her husband you know i think he does it out of jealousy. but it's a whole different story when you ask a man about violence against women. that it's oh i haven't seen it if i did i put a stop to it. in turkish kosher women are very precious to us is unacceptable to be to woman women are everything to was. a psychologist in counsels women who have become victims of violence and she gives classes like this one where she talks about the different types of abuse there are laws on the books she says but they are not influence problem which has been. the ronson of protection measures in place that the traces on to punish sufficiently. and the cases aren't being taken seriously enough. and hopes her husband will have to stay in prison for a long time if she had to say he would never get out again. and now to some of the other stories making news around the world syrian state t.v. says at least forty one people are being treated following a suspected poison gas attack by insurgents on the government held city of aleppo doctors said most patients suffered from breathing problems and blurred vision. and at least ten people have died after a boat capsized on lake victoria near the ugandan capital kampala a police spokesman said forty people were rescued and a search for other survivors is ongoing he gave no details on the cause of the accident or how many people were on board. taiwan's ruling democratic progressive party has suffered a major defeat in local elections the island's pro independence president in when resigned as head of the party vote was seen as a key test for size administration which has been under attack from beijing over her refusal to agree that taiwan is part of china clashes between police and demonstrators in paris have continued into the night earlier on saturday thousands of protesters took to the streets to voice their anger against fuel tax increases after darkness fell some protesters continued to burn barricades they had set up on the iconic shows that he's a riot police used water cannon and tear gas to disperse them dozens of people have been arrested french president emanuel met coal condemned the violence in a tweet writing shame on those who attacked police and shame on those who assaulted other citizens and journalists. the nice violence came after a day of action across the country the latest in a wave of demonstrations voicing discontent with mccall's policies. earlier we spoke to correspondent john lawrence in who is following the events in paris we asked him about the french interior minister's claim that the far right was behind demonstrations the demonstrators come from outside the san new tax on motor fuel meant to cut consumption and pollution in big cities will affect them disproportionately others say they're angry about economic policies that favor business and the rich played by. all the big companies should pay taxes like everybody else and also the big bosses and the rich should pay wealth taxes the government suppressed the wealth tax and now they make the ordinary people pay that's not normal and all that. but france's interior minister blames the on rest on the far right who being the leader of the populist anti immigrant rights on the mall now. well i have been to my not been off to mary in the pen cooled protests to the shown sillies a thousands of people mobilized what we're seeing is the ultra right has come together to talk about some movies they don't around france demonstrators have blocked roads and here yellow vests took over a highway toll booth and waved to motorists through. we don't want to bother people. when people ask who to thank we say thank president i'm on you all mccraw. we're going to send him the bill. he's got a bigger salary than i do he'll manage. back in paris the unrest continued after the sunset as one of the greatest challenges to president macro's leadership showed no sign of dying down. earlier we spoke to correspondent john laurenson who is following the events in paris we asked him about the french interior minister's claim that the far right was behind the demonstrations. minister has said that the people who went to demonstrate to show that they did so because marie le pen asked them to. forget that other political movements in france the center right but i probably town for example have been behind the yellow vests movement also on the far left of the times he's going to speak for evil to the next movement i think there is a popular revolt something very are organizing we. seem very much in the trade union organizing demonstrations you know the demonstrations in the central this is something which has been organized on on social media and no one knows it's going to turn up where and when to be to these demonstrations and many of the people who are going to him straight are doing so pretty first time. formula one at the final grand prix of the season lewis hamilton and mercedes has taken pole position in abu dabi the world champion who has already wrapped up the driver's title set a track record in qualifying it is eleventh poll of the season and eighty third overall and here's how the starting grid looks for sunday's race sharing the front row is hamilton's mercedes team mate. for sebastian vettel and it kimi can take up the second row and row three sees the red bull. south america's big soccer showpiece has been postponed until sunday evening because of fan violence the kickoff of saturday's copa libertadores final was delayed for several hours before being put back a day river plate fans attacked the team bus of. club juniors ahead of the second leg objects were thrown and reports said pepper spray was used and both of players were hurt there was also further trouble 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now it's time for "the last word" with lawrence o'donnell. good evening, lawrence. >> good evening, rachel. this is moving really fast. we are now at 218. 218 democrats in the house favor the impeachment proceedings against president trump. >> that's the magic number. >> the magic number. it was 134 on sunday -- on sunday it was -- 84 since sunday. >> you know, the question of how broad they're going to make this impeachment proceeding in terms of how broadly they're going to draw these articles is fascinating. i think that it's worth knowing, though, that they've got, you know, it's like bird in the hand, two in the bush. at this point if they want to impeach him specifically on this scandal of what he admitted to today in terms of what he asked the ukraine government for, they're done. they've got that in hand if they want to do it. >> they also have the mueller report, and we've never seen one article go forward. there's a lot of reasons for that, including offering the senate, for example, the possibility -- some senators the possibility to vote against one article or two articles, and then vote for one. and it only takes one. so if you get the two-thirds vote on one article, but then two or three other articles don't pass, the president is still removed. and so that is very likely to be a multiple article impeachment, just at minimum, just strategically for the senate, so you can give a republican senator a chance to say, i voted against three articles, but this one i just couldn't. i had to do it. >> i mean, we'll see how they strategically approach this. but i think, a, your math there is right. and b, this thing is moving so fast, i think that's -- that it's not an unreasonable thing to speculate about. >> we shall see. thank you, rachel. >> thanks, lawrence. we have now completed the first full day, and only one full day, of the impeachment process in the house of representatives that speaker nancy pelosi made official last evening. and we are already at the release the transcripts stage of the impeachment investigation, the official impeachment investigation of president richard nixon took several months to get to the release the transcript stage. president nixon finally was forced by subpoena to deliver the first transcripts of his white house conversations to the house judiciary committee on may 3rd, 197 4, and then the impeachment process really picked up speed. and only three months later it was over. richard nixon resigned the presidency. the impeachment process has once again really picked up speed, but donald trump won't resign the presidency, but a lot can happen in the next three months. donald trump can be impeached, and he can be impeached before christmas. we will begin this program tonight the way the impeachment hearings will begin, with a verification of the document that has now become the most important public document in the impeachment investigation of donald trump. the memorandum of telephone conversation between president trump and president zelenskiy of ukraine. larry pfeifer, who has prepared documents with leaders of foreign governments will start us off tonight with just his simple reading of this memo, verifying this memo. does it look like a legitimate summary of that kind of conversation? is there anything strange about the memo other than what the president actually says in the memo? larry pfeifer is the person to answer those questions tonight. this memo might be outdone by other documents as the investigation proceeds and that might happen soon. it might be outdone by the whistle-blower's report which is now in the possession of the house and senate intelligence committees. we will be joined by a member of the house intelligence committee who has read the whistle-blower's report. we will also be joined by two high-ranking members of the obama administration's foreign policy and national security team, former undersecretary of state wendy sherman and former deputy national security advisor ben rhodes, john heilemann, mike murphy will join us to consider the new shape of our politics now that donald trump has become the fourth president in history to face an official impeachment process. and later in this hour, we will hear from a former federal prosecutor, we'll ask mimi rocah if she sees any federal crimes in this transcript of the president's conversation with the president of ukraine. is this a smoking gun? and at the end of the hour, we'll tell you what to watch for and what to expect in that public hearing beginning at 9:00 a.m. tomorrow in the house intelligence committee, a hearing that we already know will be historic. the acting director of national intelligence joseph mcguire will testify to the committee and explain why he blocked the inspector general's report of the whistle-blower's complaint. former house intelligence committee staffer will tell us exactly what the committee staff is doing right now at their desks tonight to prepare the members of that committee for tomorrow's hearing and what the members will be trying to achieve in that hearing tomorrow morning, beginning at 9:00 a.m. right here on msnbc. as of tonight, this five-page memorandum of telephone conversation, released by the white house today, has made -- wait, this is the five-page memorandum. it has made this 448-page mueller report now the second-most important public document in the impeachment investigation of president donald j. trump. the conversation only covered two subjects. first, military aid to ukraine, and second, investigating joe biden and joe biden's son. that's it. president zelenskiy clearly wanted to talk about military aid. president trump clearly only wanted to talk about joe biden. president zelenskiy used the standard public manual of flattering trump in order to get something from him. he actually said to him, you are a great teacher for us. president trump then said, the united states has been very good to ukraine. i wouldn't say that it's reciprocal, necessarily, because things are happening that are not good, but the united states has been very good to ukraine. president zelenskiy kept thanking president trump profusely and repeatedly, and then he said, thank you for your great support in the area of defense. we are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps, specifically, we are almost ready to buy more javelins from the united states for defense purposes. that was the last word said about defense spending because donald trump did not respond in any way to president zelenskiy's desire to buy more javelin missiles from the united states. we have seen how eager the president is to discuss weapons sales publicly and privately to saudi arabia and other countries, but instead of responding to president zelenskiy's desire for more javelins, donald trump said, i would like you to do us a favor, though. in the impeachment hearings, the word "though" will be studied in that sentence. the oxford english dictionary defines though in that usage to mean introducing an additional statement restricting or modifying the preceding statement. so, saying i would like you to do us a favor, though, immediately after someone asks for something, according to the oxford english dictionary, is putting a restriction on the thing that was just requested. here was donald trump's restriction. "i would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with ukraine." trump then suggests that ukraine has information that could discredit robert mueller's investigation, and this phone call is taking place the day after robert mueller testified to the house of representatives. donald trump says, "i would like to have the attorney general call you or your people and i would like you to get to the bottom of it." as you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named robert mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with ukraine. whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible." president zelenskiy then eagerly says, "i guarantee as the president of ukraine that all of the investigations will be done openly and candidly. that i can assure you." abc news is reporting tonight that president zelenskiy knew that donald trump was going to ask him about investigating joe biden. president zelenskiy does appear ready for that and it is president zelenskiy who first brings up rudy giuliani before president trump brings up giuliani's name. he says, i will personally tell you we spoke with mr. giuliani recently and we are hoping very much mr. giuliani will be able to travel to ukraine and we will meet once he comes to ukraine. donald trump then says, mr. giuliani is a highly respected man. he was the mayor of new york city, a great mayor, and i would like you to -- like him to call you. i will ask him to call you along with the attorney general. rudy very much knows what's happening, and he is a very capable guy. if you could speak to him, that would be great. president trump goes on to say, the other thing. that means there's another thing that is restricting president zelenskiy's desire for more military equipment from the united states. "the other thing, there's a lot of talk about biden's son, that biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that. so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great. biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution, so if you can look into it, it sounds horrible to me." president zelenskiy says, the next prosecutor general will 100% be my person, my candidate, who will start as a prosecutor in september. he or she will look into the situation. president trump says, i will have mr. giuliani give you a call and i am also going to have attorney general barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. i'm sure you will figure it out. president zelenskiy then tries to buy good will with donald trump, as so many foreign governments have, by telling him that he paid to stay in a trump hotel. president zelenskiy says, last time i traveled to the united states, i stayed in new york near central park, and i stayed at the trump tower. president trump says, i will tell rudy and attorney general barr to call. thank you. whenever you would like to come to the white house, feel free to call. give us a date, and we'll work that out. i look forward to seeing you. president zelenskiy says thank you very much, they say thank you a couple more times. president zelenskiy says, bye-bye. it's all there. in donald trump's own words. collusion with a foreign government to help donald trump's re-election campaign by hurting a candidate running against donald trump. there's a lot of talk about biden's son, that biden stopped the prosecution, and a lot of people want to find out about that, so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great. whatever you can do. that's what the president of the united states wanted in that conversation from the president of ukraine. whatever you can do to help the re-election campaign of donald trump. that is the donald trump, jr., meeting at trump tower with russians during the presidential campaign on steroids. leading off our discussion tonight is larry pfeifer. he's a former director of the white house situation room where he managed president obama's phone calls with other heads of state. he is also a former chief of staff to the director of the cia. larry, thank you for coming back tonight. we have the transcript. you've seen the transcript. and i just want to get a basic verification from you if you can give it to us based on what you've seen. other than the content and what the president is saying to the president of ukraine, does this look like the standard version of this? >> thanks, lawrence. absolutely, it looks like every memorandum of a telephone conversation i saw during my time at the white house in terms of its format, in terms of the caveats at the bottom in the footnote, in terms of the markings. at a certain level, you almost have to applaud the president for releasing this, what appears to be full transcript. >> there are a couple of ellipses in this and some people are pointing to that, the little dot-dot-dots, wondering what that might be, are they leaving out significant words there, do you think? >> my guess -- my best guess is either, a, there was a pause, a natural pause in the conversation and they wanted to reflect that. the second possibility is that in the raw transcript that was created in the sit room, they may have had some clunky notation indicating garbled words or unidentified words. and someone on the nsc staff in an attempt to make it look more elegant removed the clunky notation and just put the dot-dot-dot. >> in your experience in the obama white house, who percentage was accurate, would have matched an audiotape? does it get into the 90% territory, 95%, 85%? >> well, i think the nsc staffer would be doing his best attempt to take what would have come from the sit-room as almost a pure transcript of a conversation. he would have massaged it in an effort to make the language a little more -- flow a little more beautifully, perhaps a little more elegant phraseology, making sure the nouns and the adjectives and the verbs matched. so i would say that there would likely not be an attempt to doctor the actual transcript or change the meanings of the words. >> and finally, larry, anything unusual to your eye in this transcript? >> you know, from -- probably the most unusual thing -- i sat through a lot of congratulatory phone calls that president obama made to world leaders upon their re-election or their election, and those generally are fairly pro forma, fairly short. they are congratulating the individual, talking about what good relations we have. and if there are trouble areas, they may just be mentioned at a very broad strategic level and the president would suggest that we need to get our people together and i know we'll work it out, something along those lines. not anything of this specific transactional nature. >> larry, thank you very much for starting us off tonight. i really appreciate it. >> you bet. >> joining us now is democratic congressman sean patrick maloney from new york, member of the house intelligence committee. he has read the whistle-blower's actual complaint earlier tonight, and will be questioning the acting director of national intelligence tomorrow morning in that hearing that begins at 9:00 a.m. congressman maloney, thank you very much for joining us on this important night and we hope you can keep coming back as this proceeds. what can you tell us about the whistle-blower report? how does it compare and how much does it add to what we see in the telephone transcript? >> well, i'm not going to get into the substance of the report obviously. it remains classified. so i want to be respectful and careful about that. what i can tell you is that there's going to be some very tough questions tomorrow about why it was withheld from the congress. >> and does the whistle-blower's report go beyond the phone call? does it have a scope wider than just this one phone call? >> well, again, i'm not going to comment on the substance of the complaint or whether it has any relation or not to anything that's been publicly reported. i just can't do that at this stage, lawrence. you know, it's my hope that all of this material is declassified eventually and made available to the public. i think there is a very important need for the public to see as much as possible. and i'm certainly going to be pushing for that. but tomorrow is going to be about the role the dni played and department of justice played in with molding this complaint and the contents from congress. >> what do you think the likelihood is at this point of the whistle-blower's complaint becoming public eventually? >> well, obviously there is always the possibility that it leaks. if you're talking about a legal process, that would require declassification. now, bear in mind it's a good point to remind people that this whistle-blower is endeavoring to follow the law. this person is courageous and coming forward with critical information that the inspector general deemed urgent, credible and the heart of the dni's responsibilities. and this person is doing it the right way. the legal way. and this person has been let down by an attorney general and by a director of national intelligence who went outside the law, who went outside the statute and found a reason to keep it from congress. that's a serious issue. >> the first thing you were able to read today was the transcript of the president's phone call with president zelenskiy. what was your reaction to that? >> well, i'm happy to talk about that. thank you for talking about a public document. look, i thought it was -- i thought it was -- can i tell you, it broke my heart, to be honest with you. i mean, i know it's easy to get kind of partisan about this, but when i read a document where a president of the united states -- any president of the united states -- is muscling a newly elected foreign leader who is in a desperate position, with the russians having the next part of his country, invading the eastern part of his country as well, and that president is clearly, clearly trying to get that person -- pressuring that person to dredge up a fake investigation, to smear a political opponent in the context of that president raising the need for military aid, i mean, there is a quid -- there is a quo -- it is all right there. i am deeply, deeply depressed about the fact we have come to a point where an american president would say such things. i am also resolved that president be accountable for it and that the law means >> this is the day that the house of representatives arrived at the magic number of 218, 218 democrats now supporting the impeachment process against this president. how did that land in the house today, that number? >> well, look, i think most of us have believed for a few days, at least, that the support would be there. i think what's more important is are the facts there. this is a town where, where sometimes the evidence is more serious than the people. i think it's important that we follow the facts, the law, the evidence. i think everybody ought to take a deep breath. i think this thing is moving fast and i understand that. but these are serious issues. it's important to get our facts straight. it's important to know what we're talking about, and to make our case. and i think that's going to take some time. and i think people are going to need to be a little patient with that. but i can tell you that the democrat party is absolutely unified on the issue of getting to the bottom of it and getting the facts out. >> congressman patrick mahoney, thank you very much for joining us on this important night. really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> and when we come back from this break, the professionals, the national security and diplomatic professionals, former undersecretary of state wendy sherman and former deputy national secretary ben rhodes both veterans of the obama administration, both bring their expertise to what is the first known case of a president of the united states asking the president of a foreign country to help his re-election campaign by attacking a candidate running against the president. with my hepatitis c, i felt i couldn't be at my best for my family. in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured and left those doubts behind. i faced reminders of my hep c every day. but in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured. even hanging with friends i worried about my hep c. but in only 8 weeks with mavyret, i was cured. mavyret is the only 8-week cure for all common types of hep c. before starting mavyret your doctor will test if you've had hepatitis b which may flare up and cause serious liver problems during and after treatment. tell your doctor if you've had hepatitis b, a liver or kidney transplant, other liver problems, hiv-1, or other medical conditions, and all medicines you take including herbal supplements. don't take mavyret with atazanavir or rifampin, or if you've had certain liver problems. common side effects include headache and tiredness. with hep c behind me, i feel free... ...fearless... ...and there's no looking back, because i am cured. talk to your doctor about mavyret. 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if this is -- everything we know about how trump operates, is this happening with saudi arabia? is this happening with russia, right? so to me this is a peek at how trump actually operates and what that shows you is the complete and utter corruption of american foreign policy. >> your reaction? >> my reaction is quite similar. i found that press conference so painful today. zelenskiy was trying so hard to walk this very difficult line, flattering the president, saying he didn't get pressured, while at the same time saying we're an independent country. i can't ask a prosecutor to do a particular something. he was trying to show he's not a corrupt leader, which is essential in modern ukraine, given its history. and at the same time he had to sit next to the president of the united states who said, hey, why don't you and putin get together and sort of work this problem out. putin is killing his people. just extraordinary. >> ben, the underlying policy with ukraine is one of the things that isn't getting focused on much here. but i do want to show that moment of donald trump today. here is president zelenskiy in what he calls a war. he used the word war today, repeatedly publicly about his situation with russia. and here is what donald trump said about that. >> i really hope that russia -- because i really believe that president putin would like to do something. i really hope that you and president putin get together and can solve your problem. that would be a tremendous achievement. and i know you're trying to do that. >> ben, this is fdr telling winston churchill, i hope you can work this out with hitler. >> yeah, i mean, putin has taken a piece of the territory of ukraine. he is backing people, arming people killing people in eastern ukraine. we spent the last 2 1/2 years of the obama administration -- and wendy was front and center in this, too -- mobilizing europeans to impose sanctions on russia. figuring out what assistance packages could go to ukraine to help weather this incredible storm they're in. donald trump sees this as nothing more than a mere sideshow. what he cares about is on that call, talk to rudy giuliani. talk to bill barr. talk to my kind of personal lawyers and it's, first of all, bad thing the attorney general seems to be a personal lawyer for the president of the united states, about this completely meaningless corruption investigation. the other thing i would say, the decision to recommend that they get rid of that prosecutor was an inter-agency -- meaning the state department comes together, the nsc, white house and others. this person was at the heart of a lot of corruption had nothing to do with hunter biden. he's inventing conspiracy theories to suit his own politics and asking a man who just got elected to a country that been invaded by its neighbor to facilitate these conspiracy theories, and on the issue that really matter, that russia included his country, saying, you know, i hope you work it out. i'm sure putin is committed to doing that. that's taking putin's side just like he did in he helsinki when he said putin didn't interfere in our election. >> wendy, the europeans wanted this prosecutor out of the way in ukraine. >> absolutely. >> because they felt just nothing serious was happening with this prosecutor. >> absolutely, the europeans were very much in line with what we were trying to do to get rid of this corrupt prosecutor. and the other thing here is the whole reason we're here is because that ukraine needed military aid. it wanted, as he said today, those javelins. and the president knew that created leverage. and you see how that comes up in the conversation. the president says, yes, but there really hasn't been any reciprocity. and i'd like to ask you a favor, though. and so we know that this is all connected. so when people say there's nothing direct here, i think it's plain as day. >> ben, how many people would have heard a phone call like this and would be aware of the contents much a phone call like this? >> a pretty good number, lawrence. you'd have several people in the oval office for that call. the leadership of the nsc staff, the relevant people who work on ukraine in the nsc. people like your guest larry pfeifer who we work with in the situation room listening and making a record of the call. usually the transcript is disseminated. it suggests part of what got the attention of the whistle-blower is they were handling this call differently. they were trying to restrict access to the transcript of this call. i think it's also very important for your viewers to understand, it's not just this transcript. what else was going on? why was rudy giuliani flying out to ukraine? why was the state department -- again, based on reports we read -- directing rudy giuliani to be involved in this at all? he's a private citizen who represents the president of the united states. so we shouldn't see this transcript as the end of the story. i think it's, again, a window into a much broader corruption of our policy towards ukraine, towards russia. front and center in all these matters is not the american people. keep in mind, that's our tax dollars. that assistance going to ukraine, that's our tax dollars being used like a part of trump's campaign war chest to leverage, again, a foreign leader to do his bidding. i'd like to see us pull all these different threads in terms of what was going on around not just this phone call, but ukraine policy in general. >> wendy, all these years on the call, one whistle-blower, only one. >> yes. i think we're in a time where people are terrified to become a whistle-blower. you have to be pretty sure of what you're doing. if you're an intelligence officer, you know your life is on the line, and that intelligence officers work not to be known by people. they work to be quietly doing the work to protect us and protect our national security. so for this whistle-blower, knowing particularly this president and this administration which believes in punishing people -- after all, the president talked about our then ambassador to ukraine who he basically said was doing bad things and he was going to take care of her, which he did, which is to push her out of government. this is a punitive administration, and so this whistle-blower must have really believed there was corruption here, and we saw the president, as he always does, he talks about how everybody else is corrupt to deflect from his own deep corruption. >> ben, i think the disturbing thought of the night i think for the audience is this is just one phone call. >> yes. >> this is just one phone call, one whistle-blower. wendy sherman, ben rhodes, thank you for joining us. really appreciate it. when we come back, republican strategist mike murphy says 30 republican senators would vote to convict donald trump in an impeachment trial in the senate and remove him from office if it were a secret ballot. mike murphy and john heilemann join us next. roughout) i like to make my life easy. roughout) ( ♪ ) romo mode. 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>> well, i think it's the issue that american politics is hanging on, and it's time for clarity. look, i've been a never trumper for a while. i thought impeachment would have been a political mistake for the democrats. go out and beat him. this ukrainian thing is outrageous and it's going to get worse. every couple hours we learn about more concerns. i think the president is clearly violated his oath of office, and i don't think republican office holders, as much as they don't like the idea, should be able to answer with essay questions about donald trump. the only way to force clarity and find out where they really are, do they want to own trump and fight his corner despite all this, or do they want to hopefully do the right thing or what might be the smart thing for them in the future politically, you got to have a yes/no vote. and impeachment, as crude of a tool as it is, will force that. >> mike, what about republicans who are in tough reelection situations, or the other interesting vote is republicans who are not running for reelection, republicans who will be retiring, this is their final important vote of their careers? >> yeah, again, i think if this keeps spreading, the whistle-blower, you know, it's all coming out in dribs and drabs, but there apparently are witnesses to white house behavior. if this keeps growing, it does fit the pattern of donald trump's behavior to be doing this sort of thing on the phone with a foreign leader, the politics of it could start to change and the front line of that will be people like susan collins and corey gardener, martha mcsally, people in purple states looking at really tough reelects, and an up/down vote is certainly uncomfortable for them. i'm sympathetic there. but it's the clarity we've got to have there. there is a cancer on the republican party. time to face it and take a side. >> john heilmann, 218, today is the day they hit 218 in the house of representatives. 218 democrats in favor of the impeachment process. it takes 218 to impeach donald trump. >> yeah, you know, lawrence, it's funny. i saw adam schiff a little earlier tonight. we were talking about this moment. i think when the history of this is written, the moment when schiff along with nancy pelosi last weekend out and said after all this reluctance that he, like the speaker had on political grounds, even though he thought the president had committed high crimes and misdemeanors for a long time, to suddenly shift, shifts schiff, to talk about crossing the rubicon, i asked him which is it, did the politics change in the sense that the vulnerable freshman, these democrats who are in swing districts where nancy pelosi was trying to protect them by not making them do impeachment, did the calculus change because of this egregious behavior? or was this behavior just so egregious the politics no longer mattered? and that in the end is what schiff basically said. he said, look, you know, i think that the 30,000-foot thing was democrats looked at this and said, the president of the united states is trying to do exactly again in 2020 what he did in 2016, except this time he's trying to do it as the president of the united states and not just a candidate, and that in the end was just intolerable to pretty much everybody in the democratic caucus. >> and, mike, it's kind of two sides of the same coin. if the offense is bad enough, then the politics of it -- political calculation does change. >> right. yeah, no, i think it totally has. i mean, i think it's a pipe dream for the republicans to think that somehow impeachment will help them because one of two things are going to happen. it's either going to get bad enough that republicans are going to start defecting, which will cripple the president, or the republicans will go into -- in the senate will go into a merrick garland modi just stonewall this thing all the way and the democratic frustration is going to go absolutely off the charts. remember, we're dealing with a president with lousy poling numbers here. he is not operating from a position of strength, a position of weakness. the only question is will the democrats screw this up by nominating somebody that can change the topic of the election. and this impeachment procedure just staples that question to donald trump's head. so i think that actually is a political benefit for the democrats. now, the last thing i'd say quickly, i can see a scenario if you're a corey gardener, elizabeth collins, it's not perfect for you, but you're better with pence. that helps you change the subject to a dangerous democrat, you know, even though it clearly pence with his own shortcomings, trump is going to be a trouble factory going forward for anybody, even in a purple state. >> susan collins in maine in what could be a struggling reelection. go ahead, john. >> lawrence, i was going to say i agree with everything mike said. the one other way democrats could screw this up, not just in terms of who they nominate, but how do they handle these impeachment hearings? one of the most interesting debates i hear right now is the strategic question, do you as you proceed towards this impeachment inquiry, do you make it an omnibus thing where it's not just about this ukrainian scandal, but it's also about the obstruction of justice from the mueller investigation, about the hush money payments in the southern district of new york, about emoluments, about everything that donald trump has done wrong? or do you try to remain focused in a laser-like way on this particular sin, on this particular crime, on this particular dereliction of duty? i think the smart -- it sounds to me increasingly like the smart argument is the one that says let's just stay focused on this one thing. don't load up the sled. don't overload the sled. there are going to be people on the left who will want to take on all of donald trump's crimes. where i think the smarter play is just to focus on this one thing that basically proves it all. the object lesson here, if you can win that argument, you can win the whole thing politically. >> well, on nixon and clinton, they didn't focus on articles of impeachment. they wanted to give the other party a chance to vote with donald trump on two or three counts, and then vote against him on one. and, mike, it only takes one. >> yeah, look, i agree with john. keep it simple. keep it focused and a story people can understand i think is going to have more corroborating facts and make that the thing. don't widen it up so the president's defenders can make complicated subparts of the investigation the way to confuse people about this. real simple. president using the power of american foreign policy to shake down a vulnerable country to further his own political career. it doesn't get simpler or worse than that. >> john heilmann, who is the donald trump who you saw today at the united nations? i ask you because you saw him. you covered him closely on the campaign trail in 2016. and i mean, you were right in there with your microphones and your cameras. i saw you close to him on the trail. you had a lot of interview opportunities with him. that was a lifeless donald trump at the united nations. >> i think deflated. and if not wholly defeated yet, lawrence, i think you started to see signs of what a defeated donald trump would look like. i have rarely seen -- i've seen the president much crazier. i've seen him -- i've seen him distracted. i've seen him seem addled, perform poorly. today he seemed limp. as if the air had been kind of taken out. i keep saying deflated. he looked a bit like a beaten dog today and that's a little bit mean to dogs. i think if you start to think about where this could go, that's the donald trump i think you'll be seeing more and more as this thing encroaches further and further onto his political capital. as his approval rating falls further and further as his base starts to erode, and i think to mike's point, when the numbers start to get to the point where republicans just doing the straight math look at donald trump and he's more of a liability than an asset and they start to abandon him, that day will come. >> there is still time for the republicans to find another nominee for president. john heilmann, mike murphy, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. and when we come back, is this a smoking gun? 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and trump pivots immediately. it is tied to it with, as you pointed out, well, though, we want a favor. and the favor is open this investigation. i don't even know that trump cares what the answer is. he wants an investigation on his opponent. that is a service he's trying to get for free, essentially, using his public position, the power of the purse. that is an extortion and there are multiple other possible i didn't mean criminal violations, but it is a smoking gun. >> the department of justice report on this, which "the new york times" has taken a look at, they quote inspector general atkinson saying it could be viewed as soliciting a foreign campaign contribution in violation of the campaign finance laws. >> well, that's right. i mean, look, like i said, there are many different, i think, possible criminal statutes that could apply here. solicitation of something of value to help a campaign is one of them. the idea that this department of justice said no campaign finance crime here, without any investigation, is really just unfathomable to me. and the fact that they apparently the department of justice didn't consider or mention any other criminal statutes. i mean, like i said, i think extortion is probably the most likely one. and remember, and i know you know this, but it's good to remind our viewers. while these i think warrant criminal investigation and there are other people besides trump who should be looked at and investigated for these. for trump it doesn't need to be a federal crime. it is an abuse of power. but i think you very clearly have a quid pro quo here i didn't see this clearly. >> and he's a former prosecutor, too. he said this was classic mafia style talk. >> absolutely. and nobody goes around saying what lindsey graham is suggesting. that's not how it's done. no one -- you know, i don't want to say isn't that dumb, but people know their conversations are being listened to. so you say -- it's the implication, right? i think this is pretty explicit, but he's saying, you do this, the investigation, if you want that, the weapons, the protection. >> very specifically about biden, he was talking about biden and he said, so if you can look into it -- and he means biden -- if you can look into it. he's asking him to investigate joe biden. >> exactly. it's the classic sort of i need something from you, you want something from me, that's a quid pro quo. and that's how they do it. >> mimi rocah has closed the case. thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. and when we come back, the first hearing under the new procedural architecture of impeachment in the house of representatives begins tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. you'll want to watch every moment of that if you can. mieke eoyang is a staff member of the house committee where that meeting will take place. she will tell us what you should be looking for in tomorrow's hearing in her old committee room. that's next. liberty mutual customizes your car insurance, so you only pay for what you need. i wish i could shake your hand. granted. only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ if you have moderate or psoriatic arthritis, little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats differently. for psoriasis, 75% clearer skin is achievable, with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. for psoriatic arthritis, otezla is proven to reduce joint swelling, tenderness, and pain. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. it may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression. tell your doctor if you have a history of depression or suicidal thoughts or if these feelings develop. some people taking otezla reported weight loss. your doctor should monitor your weight and may stop treatment. upper respiratory tract infection and headache may occur. tell your doctor about your medicines and if you're pregnant or planning to be. otezla. show more of you. 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(vo) go national. go like a pro. i also found them very credible. i think it a travesty that this complaint was held as long as it was because it was an urgent matter. it is an urgent matter and there was simply no basis to keep this from the committee. >> for the last word of the hour, we turn to mieke eoyang, a former staff member of the house intelligence committee. she is a vice president of the national security program at the third way. and mieke, if you were at your old desk at the committee, you would be there right now close to 11:00 p.m., close to midnight. you worked with adam schiff and the rest of the committee who will be questioning tomorrow. what is the staff doing right now to prepare tomorrow for 9:00 a.m.? >> right now they're going over those who have seen the whistle-blower complaint and they're putting together lines of questions for members of congress. i think there are three main areas where you would want to have members of congress nail down acting dni mcguire. the first is on his reaction to this whistle-blower complaint. does he share the i.g.'s concerns that this is serious, this is credible, this goes to the heart of his mission in terms of protecting foreign influence from the united states. because as schiff said, these things seem very disturbing. readers of this complaint have been disturbed by it. they think something needs to be done. the second thing is you want to nail down what was the process that prevented mcguire from moving this thing forward to the committee expeditiously? was the white house involved? what did doj say? why did they interpret it the way they did? but finally, lawrence, and i think this is the most important point. you have to wonder what mcguire is going to say to the intelligence community employees who are watching him. because how he handles this whistle-blower complaint will have tremendous implications for everyone in the intelligence community and how they think about whether or not they -- when they see some wrongdoing, how do they handle that? do they think they're going to be blocked from getting to the appropriate overseers? are they going to think their only choice is to commit the crime of leaking classified information to the press? this is important for the work force. >> we know the workers by now have read the whistleblower's report that was made available to them today. do any of the staff or some of the higher ranking staff members also read that whistle-blower's report? >> typically when things are held to a small number of members, there are a very limited number of staffers who also read the report, especially in something like this. there have been a few times historically where staffers have been prohibited from seeing that material. but with something like this, given the gravity of this and how frequently it's discussed in the media, i think they'll have some staffers who have read into this report. >> so, we saw sean patrick maloney as our lead guest tonight talking about the whistle-blower report. he can't say a word about it, can't say anything about it. tomorrow's hearing is about that. how does this hearing work when the big thing in the room that everyone wants to talk about no one can say anything about? >> look, the dni can declassify portions of this. there are things that he can say about what happened. and all the conversations about process, the white house weighing in, department of justice weighing in, those are not classified facts, right? the director of national intelligence can discuss those things with the committee and he can also talk about whether or not he agrees with the inspector general. i would expect the members of the congress to really push him on those things and how he understands what the risk is of foreign interference here. >> and, mieke, how much cooperation at this stage is there with the republican staff? i know in the pre-trump era, there would have been a lot of cooperation between the parties on situations like this. >> yeah, i think under chairman schiff, what i've heard from former colleagues, is that things have gotten better. when you see the senate voting 100 to nothing to release this report and have the whistleblower complaint come forward, and you start to see republicans express unease about the allegations here, i think you're going to have more bipartisan concern about that is tonight's last word. 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>> the magic number. it was 134 on sunday -- on sunday it was -- 84 since sunday. >> you know, the question of how broad they're going to make this impeachment proceeding in terms of how broadly they're going to draw these articles is fascinating. i think that it's worth knowing, though, that they've got, you know, it's like bird in the hand, two in the bush. at this point if they want to impeach him specifically on this scandal of what he admitted to today in terms of what he asked the ukraine government for, they're done. they've got that in hand if they want to do it. >> they also have the mueller report, and we've never seen one article go forward. there's a lot of reasons for that, including offering the senate, for example, the possibility -- some senators the possibility to vote against one article or two articles, and then vote for one. and it only takes one. so if you get the two-thirds vote on one article, but then two or three other articles don't pass, the president is still removed. and so that is very likely to be a multiple article impeachment, just at minimum, just strategically for the senate, so you can give a republican senator a chance to say, i voted against three articles, but this one i just couldn't. i had to do it. >> i mean, we'll see how they strategically approach this. but i think, a, your math there is right. and b, this thing is moving so fast, i think that's -- that it's not an unreasonable thing to speculate about. >> we shall see. thank you, rachel. we have now completed the first full day, and only one full day, of the impeachment process in the house of representatives that speaker nancy pelosi made official last evening. and we are already at the release the transcripts stage of the impeachment investigation, the official impeachment investigation of president richard nixon took several months to get to the release the transcript stage. president nixon finally was forced by subpoena to deliver the first transcripts of his white house conversations to the house judiciary committee on may 3rd, 1974, and then the impeachment process really picked up speed. and only three months later it was over. richard nixon resigned the presidency. the impeachment process has once again really picked up speed, but donald trump won't resign the presidency, but a lot can happen in the next three months. donald trump can be impeached, and he can be impeached before christmas. we will begin this program tonight the way the impeachment hearings will begin, with a verification of the document that has now become the most important public document in the impeachment investigation of donald trump. the memorandum of telephone conversation between president trump and president zelenskiy of ukraine. larry p fife r who has prepared documents with leaders of foreign governments will start us off tonight with just his simple reading of this memo, verifying this memo. does it look like a legitimate summary of that kind of conversation? is there anything strange about the memo other than what the president actually says in the memo? larry pfiefer is the one to answer the questions tonight. this might be outdone by other documents as the investigation proceeds and that might happen soon and might be outdone by the whistle-blower's report which is now in the possession of the house and senate intelligence committees. we will be joined by a member of the house intelligence committee who has read the whistle-blower's report. we will also be joined by two high-ranking members of the obama administration's foreign policy and national security team, former under secretary of state wendy sherman and former deputy national security advisor ben rhodes, mike murphy will join us to consider the new shape of our politics now that donald trump has become the fourth president in history to face an official impeachment process. and later in this hour, we will hear from a former federal prosecutor, we'll ask mimi rocah if she sees any federal crimes in this transcript of the president's conversation with the president of ukraine. is this a smoking gun. and at the end of the hour, we'll tell you what to watch for and what to expect in that public hearing beginning at 9:00 a.m. tomorrow in the house intelligence committee, a hearing that we already know will be historic. the acting director of national intelligence joseph mcguire will testify to the committee and explain why he blocked the inspector general's report of the whistle-blower's complaint. former house intelligence committee staffer will tell us exactly what the committee staff is doing right now at their desks tonight to prepare the members of that committee for tomorrow's hearing and what the members will be trying to achieve in that hearing tomorrow morning, beginning at 9:00 a.m. right here on msnbc. as of tonight, this five-page memorandum of telephone conversation, released by the whoite house today, has made -- this is the five-page memorandum. it has made this 448-page mueller report now the second-most important public document in the impeachment investigation of president donald j. trump. the conversation only covered two subjects. first, military aid to ukraine, and second, investigating joe biden and joe biden's son. that's it. president zelenskiy clearly wanted to talk about military aid. president trump clearly only wanted to talk about joe biden. president zelenskiy used the standard public manual of flattering trump in order to get something from him. he actually said to him, you are a great teacher for us. president trump then said, the united states has been very good to ukraine. i wouldn't say that it's reciprocal, necessarily, because things are happening that are not good, but the united states has been very good to ukraine. president zelenskiy kept thanking president trump profusely and repeatedly, and then he said, thank you for your great support in the area of defense. we are ready to continue to cooperate for the next steps, specifically, we are almost ready to buy more javelins from the united states for defense purposes. that was the last word said about defense spending because donald trump did not respond in any way to president zelenskiy's desire to buy more javelin missiles from the united states. we have seen how eager the president is to discuss weapons sales publicly and privately to saudi arabia and other countries, but instead of responding to president zelenskiy's desire for more javelins, donald trump said, i would like you to do us a favor, though. in the impeachment hearings, the word "though" will be studied in that sentence. the oxford english dictionary defines though in that usage to mean introducing an additional statement restricting or modifying the preceding statement. so, saying i would like you to do us a favor, though, immediately after someone asks for something, according to the oxford english dictionary, is putting a restriction on the thing that was just requested. here was donald trump's restriction. "i would like you to find out what happened with this whole situation with ukraine." trump then suggests that ukraine has information that could discredit robert mueller's investigation, and this phone call is taking place the day after robert mueller testified to the house of representatives. donald trump says, "i would like to have the attorney general call you or your people and i would like you to get to the bottom of it." as you saw yesterday, that whole nonsense ended with a very poor performance by a man named robert mueller, an incompetent performance, but they say a lot of it started with ukraine. whatever you can do, it's very important that you do it if that's possible." president zelenskiy then eagerly says, "i guarantee as the president of ukraine that all of the investigations will be done openly and candidly. that i can assure you." abc news is reporting tonight valenc zelenskiy knew president trump was going to ask about joe biden. he does appear ready for that. and it appears zelenskiy brings up rudy giuliani before president trump brings up giuliani's name. he says, i will personally tell you we spoke with mr. giuliani recently and we are hoping very much mr. giuliani will be able to travel to ukraine and we will meet once he comes to ukraine. donald trump then says, mr. giuliani is a highly respected man. he was the mayor of new york city, a great mayor, and i would like you to -- like him to call you. i will ask him to call you along with the attorney general. rudy very much knows what's happening, and he is a very capable guy. if you could speak to him, that would be great. president trump goes on to say, the other thing. that means there's another thing that is restricting president zelenskiy's desire for more military equipment from the united states. "the other thing, there's a lot of talk about biden's son, that biden stopped the prosecution and a lot of people want to find out about that. so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great. biden went around bragging that he stopped the prosecution, so if you can look into it, it sounds horrible to me." president zelenskiy says, the person will be my person who will start as a prosecutor in september. he or she will look into the situation. president trump says, i will have mr. giuliani give you a call and i am also going to have attorney general barr call and we will get to the bottom of it. i'm sure you will figure it out. president zelenskiy then tries to buy good will with donald trump, as so many foreign governments have, by telling him that he paid to stay in a trump hotel. president zelenskiy says, last time i traveled to the united states, i stayed in new york near central park, and i stayed at the trump tower. president trump says, i will tell rudy and attorney general barr to call. whenever you would like to come to the white house, feel free to call. give us a date, and we'll work that out. i will look forward to seeing you. president zelenskiy says thank you very much, they say thank you a couple more times. president zelenskiy says, bye-bye. it's all there. in donald trump's own words. collusion with a foreign government to help donald trump's reelection campaign by hurting a candidate running against donald trump. there's a lot of talk about biden's son, that biden stopped the prosecution, and a lot of people want to find out about that, so whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great. whatever you can do. that's what the president of the united states wanted in that conversation from the president of ukraine. whatever you can do to help the reelection campaign of donald trump. that is the donald trump, jr., meeting at trump tower with russians during the presidential campaign on steroids. leading off our discussion tonight is former director of the white house situation room where he managed president obama's phone calls with other heads of state. he is also a former chief of staff to the director of the c.i.a. larry, thank you for coming back tonight. we have the transcript. you've seen the transcript. and i just want to get a basic verification from you if you can give it to us based on what you've seen. other than the content and what the president is saying to the president of ukraine, does this look like the standard version of this? >> thanks, lawrence. absolutely, it looks like every memorandum of a telephone conversation i saw during my time at the white house in terms of its for matt, in terms of the caveats at the bottom in the footnote, in terms of the markings. at a certain level, you almost have to applaud the president for releasing this, what appears to be full transcript. >> there are a couple of ellipses in this and some people are pointing to that, the little dot-dot-dot, what that might be, are they leaving out significant words there, do you think? >> my guess -- my best guess is either, a, there was a pause, a natural pause in the conversation and they wanted to reflect that. the second possibility is that in the raw transcript that was created in the sit room, they may have had some clunky notation indicating garbled words or unidentified words. and someone on the n.s.c. staff in an attempt to make it look morell gand more more elegant put the dot-dot-dot. >> in your experience in the obama white house, who percentage was accurate, would have matched an audiotape? does it get into the 90% territory, 95%, 85%? >> well, i think the n.s.c. staffer would be doing his best attempt to take what would have come from the sit-room as almost a pure transcript of a conversation. he would have massaged it in an effort to make the language a little more -- flow a little more beautifully, perhaps a little more elegant phraseology, making sure the nouns and the adjectives and the verbs matched. so i would say that there would likely not be an attempt to doctor the actual transcript or change the meanings of the words. >> and finally, larry, anything unusual to your eye in this transcript? >> you know, from -- probably the most unusual thing -- i sat through a lot of congratulatory phone calls president obama made to world leaders upon their reelection or their election, and those generally are fairly pro forma, fairly short. they are congratulating the individual, talking about what good relations we have. and if there are trouble areas, they may just be mentioned at a very broad strategic level and the president would suggest that we need to get our people together and i know we'll work it out, something along those lines. not anything of this specific transactional nature. >> larry, thank you very much for starting us off tonight. i really appreciate it. >> you bet. >> joining us is sean patrick maloney from new york, member of the house intelligence committee. he has read the whistle-blower's actual complaint earlier tonight, and will be questioning the acting director of national intelligence tomorrow morning in that hearing that begins at 9:00 a.m. congressman, maloney, thank you very much for joining us on this important night and we hope you can keep coming back as this proceeds. what can you tell us about the whistle-blower report? how does it compare and how much does it add to what we see in the telephone transcript? >> well, i'm not going to get into the substance of the report obviously. it remains classified. so i want to be respectful and careful about that. what i can tell you is that there's going to be some tough questions tomorrow about why it was withheld from the congress. >> and does the whistle-blower's report go beyond the phone call? does it have a scope wider than just this one phone call? >> well, again, i'm not going to comment on the substance of the complaint or whether it has any relation or not to anything that's been publicly reported. i just can't do that at this stage, lawrence. you know, it's my hope that all of this material is declassified eventually and made available to the public. i think there is a very important need for the public to see as much as possible. and i'm certainly going to be pushing for that. but tomorrow is going to be about the role the d.n.i. played and department of justice played in with molding this complaint and the contents from congress. >> what do you think the likelihood is at this point of the whistle-blower's complaint becoming public eventually? >> well, obviously there is always the possibility that it leaks. if you're talking about a legal process, that would require declassification. now, bear in mind it's a good point to remind people that this whistle-blower is endeavoring to follow the law. this person is courageous and coming forward with critical information that the inspector general deemed urgent, credible, and the heart of the d.n.i.'s spopts. and this person is doing it the right way. the legal way. and this person has been let down by an attorney general and by a director of national intelligence who, who went outside the law, who went outside the statute and found a reason to keep it from congress. that's a serious issue. >> the first thing you were able to read today was the transcript of the president's phone call with president zelenskiy. what was your reaction to that? >> well, i'm happy to talk about that. thank you for talking about a public document. look, i thought it was -- i thought it was -- can i tell you, it broke my heart, to be honest with you. i mean, i know it's easy to get kind of partisan about this, but when i read a document where a president of the united states -- any president of the united states -- is muscling a newly elected foreign leader who is in a desperate position, with the russians having the next part of his country, invading the eastern part of his country as well, and that president is clearly, clearly trying to get that person -- pressuring that person to dredge up a fake investigation, to smear a political opponent in the context of that president raising the need for military aid, i mean, there is a quid -- there is a quo -- it is all right there. i am deeply, deeply depressed about the fact we have come to a point where an american president would say such things. i am also resolved that president be accountable for it and that the law means something, this country stand up for what's right. >> this is the day that the house of representatives arrived at the magic number of 218, 218 democrats now supporting the impeachment process against this president. how did that land in the house today, that number? >> well, look, i think most of us have believed for a few days, at least, that the support would be there. i think what's more important is are the facts there. this is a town where, where sometimes the evidence is more serious than the people. i think it's important that we follow the facts, the law, the evidence. i think everybody ought to take a deep breath. i think this thing is moving fast and i understand that. but these are serious issues. it's important to get our facts straight. it's important to know what we're talking about, and to make our case. and i think that's going to take some time. and i think people are going to need to be a little patient with that. i can tell you the democratic party is absolutely unified on the issue of getting to the bottom of it and getting the facts out. >> congressman patrick mahoney, thank you very much for joining us on this important night. really appreciate it. >> my pleasure. >> and when we come back from this break, the professionals, the national security and diplomatic professionals, former under secretary of state wendy sherman and former deputy national secretary ben rhodes both from the obama administration, both bring their expertise to what is the first known case of a president of the united states asking the president of a foreign country to help his reelection campaign by attacking a candidate running against the president. humira patients, you inspire us. the way you triumph over adversity. and live your lives. that's why we redesigned humira. we wanted to make the experience better for you. now there's less pain immediately following injection. we've reduced the size of the needle and removed the citrate buffers. and it has the same effectiveness you know and trust. humira citrate-free is here. a little change can make a big difference. humira can lower your ability to fight infections. serious and sometimes fatal infections, including tuberculosis, and cancers, including lymphoma, have happened, as have blood, liver, and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure. tell your doctor if you've been to areas where certain fungal infections are common and if you've had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have flu-like symptoms or sores. don't start humira if you have an infection. ask your doctor about humira citrate-free. here's to you. 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(vo) go national. go like a pro. hey. ♪hey. you must be steven's phone. now you can take control of your home wifi and get a notification the instant someone new joins your network... only with xfinity xfi. download the xfi app today. president trump and president zelenskiy discussed their now public phone call with reporters today at the united nations. >> we had i think good phone call. it was normal. we spoke about many things and i think, and you read it, that nobody push it -- pushed me, yes. >> there was no pressure. >> pressure is irrelevant. the only legal point that matters is that donald trump very clearly asked president zelenskiy for help in trying to harm a candidate running for president against donald trump. that is now an irrefutable fact, and it is a fact big enough to get donald trump impeached. joining our discussion now, is ambassador wendy sherman in the obama administration. she is an msnbc global affairs contributor. ben rhodes, nbc political analyst. ben, let me start with you. you've been on these calls. >> yes. >> you've been one of the number of people listening when it was president obama. you've read these documents. this is my first. i've never read one of these before today. it's my first. i imagine your hands shaking holding this in your hands today. >> yeah, i mean, lawrence, i actually got the transcript of every phone call president obama made. i've read hundreds and hundreds of those and i've never, ever seen anything like this. i mean, first of all, you have to consider the context of ukraine. and, of course, the president of ukraine is saying what president trump wants to hear there. his country is bee sieged. crimea is annexed. they are being killed in eastern ukraine. he is depending 0 not this aid which is a life line for ukraine. for the president of the united states to be leveraging aid that is a life line to a country that has been invaded by an adversary of the united states, because all he cares about is not the national interest, not the people of ukraine. all he cares about is his own political interest, is the definition of corruption. and one other thing i think, we know about this because of the whistle-blower. there is one little window open to one phone call. where else is this happening? if this is -- everything we know about how trump operates, is this happening with saudi arabia? is this happening with russia, right? so to me this is a peek at how trump actually operates and what that shows you is the complete and utter corruption of american foreign policy. >> your reaction? >> my reaction is quite similar. i found that press conference so painful today. zelenskiy was trying so hard to walk this very difficult line, flattering the president, saying he didn't get pressured, while at the same time saying we're an independent country. i can't ask a prosecutor to do a particular something. he was trying to show he's not a corrupt leader, which is essential in modern ukraine, given its history. and at the same time he had to sit next to the president of the united states who said, hey, why don't you and putin get together and sort of work this problem out. putin is killing his people. just extraordinary. >> the underlying policy with ukraine is one of the things that isn't getting focused on much here. but i do want to show that moment of donald trump today. here is the president zelenskiy in what he calls a war. he used the word war today, repeatedly publicly about his situation with russia. and here is what donald trump said about that. >> i really hope that russia -- because i really believe that president putin would like to do something. i really hope that you and president putin get together and can solve your problem. that would be a tremendous achievement. and i know you're trying to do that. >> ben, this is f.d.r. telling winston churchill, i hope you can work this out with hitler. >> putin has taken a piece of the territory of ukraine. he is backing people, arming people killing people in eastern ukraine. we spent the last 2 1/2 years of the obama administration -- and wendy was front and center in this, too -- mobilizing europeans to impose sanctions on russia. figuring out what assistance packages could go to ukraine to help weather this incredible storm they're in. donald trump sees this nothing as more than a mere sideshow. what he cares about is on that call, talk to rudy giuliani. talk to bill barr. talk to my kind of personal lawyers and it's, first of all, bad thing the attorney general seems to be a personal lawyer for the president of the united states, about this corruption investigation. the other thing i would say, the decision to recommend that they get rid of that prosecutor was an inter-agency -- meaning the state department comes together, the nsc, white house and others. this person was at the heart of a lot of corruption had nothing to do with hunter biden. he's inventing conspiracy theories and asking him to help him and it matters that russia invaded his country. i hope you work it out. i'm sure putin is committed to doing that. that's taking putin's side just like he did in he helsinki when he said putin didn't interfere in our election. >> wendy, the europeans wanted this prosecutor out of the way in ukraine. >> absolutely. >> because they felt just nothing serious was happening with this. >> absolutely, the europeans were very much in line with what we were trying to do to get rid of this corrupt prosecutor. and the other thing here is the whole reason we're here is because that ukraine needed military aid. it wanted, as he said today, those javelins. and the president knew that created leverage. and you see how that comes up in the conversation. the president says, yes, but there really hasn't been any reciprocity. and i'd like to ask you a favor, though. and so we know that this is all connected. so when people say there's nothing direct here, i think it's plain as day. >> ben, how many people would have heard a phone call like this and would be aware of the contents much a phone call like this? >> a pretty good number, lawrence. you'd have several people in the oval office for that call. the leadership of the nsc staff, the relevant people who work on ukraine in the nsc. people like your guest larry pfiefer who work on the tran skriptd of the call. it's disseminated. it suggests part of what got the attention of the whistle-blower is they were handling this call differently. they were trying to restrict access to the transcript of this call. i think it is very important for your viewers to understand, it's not just this transcript. what else was going on? why was rudy giuliani flying out to ukraine? why was the state department -- again, based on reports we read -- directing rudy giuliani to be involved in this at all? he's a private citizen who represents the president of the united states. so we shouldn't see this transcript as the end of the story. i think it's, again, a window into a much broader corruption of our policy towards ukraine, towards russia. front and center in all these matters is not the american people. keep in mind, that's our tax dollars. that assistance going to ukraine, that's our tax dollars being used like a part of trump's campaign war chest to leverage, again, a foreign leader to do his bidding. i'd like to see us pull all these different threads around not just this phone call, but ukraine policy in general. >> wendy, all these years on the call, one whistle-blower, only one. >> yes. i think we're in a time where people are terrified to become a whistle-blower. you have to be pretty sure of what you're doing. if you're an intelligence officer, you know your life is on the line, and that intelligence officers work not to be known by people. they work to be quietly doing the work to protect us and protect our national security. so for this whistle-blower, knowing particularly this president and this administration which believes in punishing people -- after all, the president talked about our then ambassador to ukraine who he basically said was doing bad things and he was going to take care of her, which he did, which is to push her out of government. this is a punitive administration, and so this whistle-blower must have really believed there was corruption here, and we saw the president, as he always does, he talks about how everybody else is corrupt, to deflect from his own deep corruption. >> ben, i think the disturbing thought overnight i think for the audience is this is just one phone call. >> yes. >> this is just one phone call, one whistle-blower. wendy sherman, ben rhodes, thank you for joining us. really appreciate it. when we come back, republican strategist mike murphy says 30 republican senators would vote to convict donald trump in an impeachment trial in the senate and remove him from office if it were a secret ballot. mike murphy and john heilman join us next. there's the amped-up, over-tuned, feeding-frenzy-of sheet-metal-kind. and then there's performance that just leaves you feeling better as a result. that's the kind lincoln's about. ♪ i can tell you this. one republican senator told me, if it was a secret vote, 30 republican senators would vote to impeach trump. >> that was veteran republican strategist mike murphy on msnbc earlier today. he writes, the easy-to-dodge days for senate republicans are coming to an end. voters deserve stark clarity in the wake of trump's dealings with ukraine and there is one certain way to get it. the democratic house must impeach the president and force the question on the senate, yea or nay, on donald trump. joining us now is mike murphy, republican strategist. also with us john heilman, coe host and executive producer of show times, the circus, both are msnbc and nbc news analysts. mike, what got you to the point where you want to see these republican senators called on a vote on conviction of donald trump in the senate? >> well, i think it's the issue that american politics is hanging on, and it's time for clarity. look, i've been a never trumper for a while. i thought impeachment would have been a political mistake for the democrats. go out and beat him. this ukrainian thing is outrageous and it's going to get worse. every couple hours we learn about more concerns. i think the president is clearly violated his oath of office, and i don't think republican office holders, as much as they don't like the idea, should be able to answer with essay questions about donald trump. the only way to force clarity and find out where they really are, do they want to own trump and fight his corner despite all this, or do they want to hopefully do the right thing or what might be the smart thing for them in the future politically, vote. as crude as it is, it will force that. >> mike, what about republicans who are in tough reelection situations, or the other interesting vote is republicans who are not running for reelection, republicans who will be retiring, this is their final important vote of their careers? >> yeah, again, i think if this keeps spreading, the whistle-blower, you know, it's all coming out in dribs and drabs, but there apparently are witnesses to white house behavior. if this keeps growing, it does fit the pattern of donald trump's behavior to be doing this sort of thing on the phone with a foreign leader, the politics of it could start to change and the front line of that will be people like susan collins and corey gardener, martha mcsally, people in purple states looking at really tough reelects, and an up/down vote is -- i understand, there is a cancer in the republican party, time to face it and take a side. >> john heilman, 218, today is the day they hit 218 in the house of representatives. 218 democrats in favor of the impeachment process. it takes 218 to impeach donald trump. >> yeah, you know, lawrence, it's funny. i saw adam schiff a little earlier tonight. we were talking about this moment. when the mystery of this is written, the moment when shifa long with nancy pelosi last weekend came out and said after all this reluctance that he, like the speaker had on political grounds, even though he thought the president had committed high crimes and misdemeanors for a long time, to suddenly shift, shifts schiff, to talk about crossing the rubicon, i asked him which is it, did the politics change in the sense that the vulnerable freshman, these democrats who are in swing districts where nancy pelosi was trying to protect them by not making them do impeachment, did the calculus change because of this egregious behavior? or was this behavior just so egregious the politics no longer mattered? and that in the end is what schiff basically said. he said, look, you know, i think that the 30,000 foot thing was democrats looked at this and said, the president of the united states is trying to do exactly again in 2020 what he did in 2016, except this time he's trying to do it as the president of the united states and not just a candidate, and that in the end was just intolerable to pretty much everybody in the democratic caucus. >> and, mike, it's kind of two sides of the same coin. if the offense is bad enough, then the politics of it -- political calculation does change. >> yeah, no, i think it totally has. i mean, i think it's a pipe dream for the republicans to think that somehow impeachment will help them because one of two things are going to happen. it's either going to get bad enough that republicans are going to start defecting, which will cripple the president, or the republicans will go into -- and the senate will go into a mary garland mode and stone wall this thing all the way, and the democratic frustration is going to go absolutely off the charts. remember, we're dealing with a president with lousy poling numbers here. he is not operating from a position of strength, a position of weakness. the only question is will the democrats screw this up by nominating somebody that can change the topic of the election. and this impeachment procedure just staples that question to donald trump's head. so i think that actually is a political benefit for the democrats. now, the last thing i'd say quickly, i can see a scenario if you're a corey gardener, elizabeth collins, it's not perfect for you, but you're better with pence. that helps you change the subject to a dangerous democrat, you know, even though it clearly pence with his own shortcomings, trump is going to be a trouble factor going forward even in a purple state. >> susan collins in maine in what could be a struggling reelection. go ahead, john. >> lawrence, i was going to say i agree with everything mike said. the one other way democrats could screw this up, not just in terms of who they nominate, but how do they handle these impeachment hearings. one of the most interesting debates i hear right now is the strategic question, do you as you proceed towards this impeachment inquiry, do you make it an omnibus thing where it's not just about this ukrainian scandal, but it's also about the obstruction of justice from the mueller investigation, about the hush money payments in the southern district of new york, about emoluments, about everything donald trump has done wrong? or do you try to remain focused in a laser-like way on this particular sin, on this particular crime, on this particular dereliction of duty? i think the smart -- it sounds to me increasingly the smart argument is the one that says let's just stay focused on this one thing. don't load up the sled. don't overload the sled. there are going to be people on the left who will want to take on all of donald trump's crimes. the smarter play is to focus on this one thing that basically proves it all. the object lesson here, if you can win that argument, you can win the whole thing politically. >> on knicnixon, clinton, they didn't focus on articles of impeachment. they wanted to give the other party a chance to vote with donald trump on two or three counts, and then vote against him on one. and, mike, it only turks and caicos one. >> yeah, look, i agree with john. keep it simple. keep it focused and a story people can understand i think is going to have more corroborating facts and make that the thing. don't widen it up so the president's defenders can make complicated subparts of the investigation the way to confuse people about this. real simple. president using the power of american policy to shake down a vulnerable country to further his own political career. it doesn't get simpler or worse than that. >> john heilman, who is the donald trump who you saw today at the united nations? i ask you because you saw him. you covered him closely on the campaign trail in 2016. and i mean, you were right in there with your microphones and your cameras. i saw you close to him on the trail. you had a lot of interview opportunities with him. that was a lifeless donald trump at the united nations. >> i think deflated. and if not wholly defeated yet, lawrence, i think you started to see signs of what a defeated donald trump would look like. i have rarely seen -- i've seen the president much crazier. i've seen him -- i've seen him distracted. i've seen him seem attled, perform poorly. today he seemed limp. as if the air had been kind of taken out. i keep saying deflated. he looked a bit like a beaten dog today and that's a little bit mean to dogs. i think if you start to think about where this could go, that's the donald trump i think you'll be seeing more and more as this thing encroaches further and further onto his political capital. as his approve rating falls further and further as his base starts to erode, and i think to mike's point, when the numbers start to get to the point where republicans just doing the straight math look at donald trump and he's more of a liability than an asset and they start to abandon him, that day will come. >> there is still time for the republicans to find another nominee for president. john heilman, mike murphy, thank you very much for joining us tonight. really appreciate it. and when we come back, is this a smoking gun? 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>> absolutely. you know, i for more than ten years listened to public officials, mobsters, you know, do bribery and extortion schemes, and honestly, half of them were more subtle than this. i don't know what lindsey graham is talking about there. any person just with common sense -- you don't need to be a lawyer -- to look at this knows exactly what donald trump was doing there. zelenskiy brings up something they want. they need, they need these weapons. they need protection from putin. they have been promised those. he says, how about those, can i get those? and trump pivots immediately. it is tied to it with, as you pointed out, well, though, we want a favor. and the favor is open this investigation. i don't even know that trump cares what the answer is. he wants an investigation on his opponent. that is a service he's trying to get for free, essentially, using his public position, the power of the purse. that is an extortion and there are multiple other possible i didn't mean analy criminal violations, but it is a smoking gun. >> the report which "the new york times" has taken a look at, they quote inspector general atkinson saying it could be viewed as soliciting a foreign campaign contribution in violation of the campaign finance laws. >> well, that's right. i mean, look, like i said, there are many different, i think, possible criminal statutes that could apply here. solicitation of something of value to help a campaign is one of them. the idea that this department of justice said no campaign finance crime here, without any investigation, is really just unfathomable to me. apparently the department of justice didn't consider or mention any other criminal statutes. i mean, like i said, i think extortion is probably the most likely one. and remember, and i know you know this, but it's good to remind our viewers. while these, i think, warrant criminal investigation and other people besides trump who should be looked at and investigated for these, for trump it doesn't need to be a federal crime, it is an abuse of power. but i think you very clearly have a quid pro quo here that honestly i did not see in most conversations. i didn't see this clearly. >> and he's a former prosecutor, too. he said this was classic mafia style talk. >> absolutely. and nobody goes around saying what lindsey graham is suggesting. that's not how it's done. no one -- you know, i don't want to say isn't that dumb, but people know their conversations are being listened to. so you say -- it's the implication, right? i think this is pretty explicit, but he's saying, you do this, the investigation, if you want that, the weapons, the protection. >> very specifically about biden, he was talking about biden and he said, so if you can look into it -- and he means biden -- if you can look into it. he's asking him to investigate joe biden. >> exactly. it's the classic sort of i need something from you, you want something from me, that's a quid pro quo. and that's how they do it. >> mimi roka has closed the case. the official impeachment of the house of representatives begins tomorrow at 9:00 a.m. mika yo yang is a staff member of the house committee where that meeting will take place. she will tell us what you should be looking for in tomorrow's hearing in her old committee room. that's next. hearing in her old committee room that's next. like job. when he was diagnosed with cancer, his team at ctca created a personalized care plan to treat his cancer and side effects. so job could continue to work and stay strong for his family. this is how we inspire hope. this is how we heal. we love you, daddy. good night. i love you guys. cancer treatment centers of america. appointments available now. doprevagen is the number oneild mempharmacist-recommendeding? 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>> right now they're going over those who have seen the whistleblower complaint and they're putting together lines of questions for members of congress. i think there are three main areas where you would want to have members of congress nail down acting dni mcguire. the first is on his reaction to this whistleblower complaint. does he share the i.g.'s concerns that this is serious, this is credible, this goes to the heart of his mission in terms of protecting foreign influence from the united states. because as schiff said, these things seem very disturbing. readers of this complaint have been disturbed by it. they think something needs to be done. the second thing is you want to nail down what was the process that prevented mcguire from moving this thing forward to the committee expeditiously? was the white house involved? what did doj say? why did they interpret it the way they did? finally, the most important point, you have to wonder what mcguire is going to say to the intelligence community employees who are watching him. because how he handles this whistleblower complaint will have tremendous implications for everyone in the intelligence community and how they think about whether or not they -- when they see some wrongdoing, how do they handle that? do they think they're going to be blocked from getting to the appropriate overseers? are they going to think their only crime is leaking important information to the press? this is important for the work force. >> we know the workers by now have read the whistleblower's report that was made available to them today. do any of the staff or some of the higher ranking staff members also read that whistleblower's report? >> typically when things are held to a small number of members, there are a very limited number of staffers who also read the report, especially in something like this. there have been a few times historically where staffers have been prohibited from seeing that material. but with something like this, given the gravity of this and how frequently it's discussed in the media, i think they'll have some staffers who have read into this report. >> we saw sharpev melodie talking about the whistleblower report. he can't say a word about it, can't say anything about it. tomorrow's hearing is about that. how does this hearing work when the big thing in the room everyone wants to talk about no one can say anything about? >> look, the dni can declassify portions of this. there are things that he can say about what happened. and all the conversations about process, the white house weighing in, department of justice weighing in, those are not classified facts, right? the director of national intelligence can discuss those things with the committee and he can also talk about whether or not he agrees with the inspector general. i would expect the members of the congress to really push him on those things and how he understands what the risk is of foreign interference here. >> and mieke, how much cooperation at this stage is there with the republican staff? i know in the pre-trump era, there would have been a lot of cooperation between the parties on situations like this. >> yeah, i think under chairman schiff, what i've heard from former colleagues, is that things have gotten better. when you see the senate voting 100 to nothing to release this report and have the whistleblower complaint come forward, and you start to see republicans express unease about the allegations here, i think you're going to have more bipartisan concern about protecting whistleblowers than you might have previously. >> miek spairks eoyang, thank you for your guidance on what to watch tomorrow. really appreciate it. that is "the last word." "the 11th hour with brian williams" starts now. we are just ten hours from testimony with congress. those who have read the whistleblower report call is deeply troubling and disturbing. then there is the memo of two leaders who came face to face today, and this evening donald trump talked about releasing more revelations that could rock the white house. plus, democrats rock the perilous prospects of impeachment. we have the greatest blockbuster reporting of all of it as "the 11th hour" gets underway on a wednesday night. good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. i'm steve kornacki in for brian williams. day 979 of the trump administration, the eve of

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