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weeks. the israelis want a campaign. with lebanon even with yemen, we have seen the increased tensions. deploying troops and naval forces. none of that will stop until there is a cease-fire in gaza.'s almost there is a line drawn, diplomacy on any of these friends continue. the biden administration's credit has been cleared. they don't want to see a war but it is not up to them as we have seen with the israelis on the hostage cease-fire deal as well. so i think the risk is extremely high. and lebanon is the war of another magnitude. >> thank you so much. . there is a lot going on tonight. the former president of the united states and presumptive republican nominee had a meeting with the probation officer today, which i guess is the sort of thing we just have to get use to seeing these days. we will talk about what may have come up during the meeting and how it could impact his sentencing coming up in a month. pennsylvania governor josh schapiro was going to join me to talk about one of the biggest political questions of the moment. how should joe biden and democrats be talking about trump's conviction and how much? we will start with the supreme court. in a mountain of ethics scandals that just got bigger, and just get bigger because of a woman named lauren winsor. in case you don't know who she is, she is a progressive activist known to approach her public and figures and pretend she is an ally, statements and then record her targets making candid comments. comments recorded by lauren winsor at the supreme court historical society's annual dinner earlier this month, the supreme court justice samuel alito offered his assessment of the political and ideological struggle in america. >> i don't know that we can negotiate with the left in the way that needs to happen for the polarization to end. i think that it is a matter of, like, winning. >> i think your probably right. on one side of the other, one side or the other is going to win. i don't know. i mean, there can be a way of working, a way of living together peacefully, but it's difficult, you know, because there are differences on fundamental things that really can't be compromised. they really can't be compromised. so it's not like you can split the difference. >> one side or the other is going to win. now heard in a vacuum by someone, those comments may not seem particularly striking. but remember samuel alito is one of nine justices on the supreme court. the highest court in our country. it is supposed to conduct itself with utmost fairness and impartiality in interpreting our constitution and adjudicating the laws. and one of the justices, samuel alito, you just heard him, as telling a stranger at a crowded event, that he believes that one political side is going to win. that there is no place for compromised. and for anyone who has followed samuel alito's time on the court, there is no secret to what side the justice firm and thinks he is on. look at the past few weeks. he has refused to recuse himself from a generous six case in the trump immunity case sitting before the court currently. even after reports that his homes displayed flights with right wing political symbolism including an upside down american flag in the days after january 6th. samuel alito, who built a reputation over the course of years, has been tough on crime and generally unser but that it to criminal defendants and also has a newfound empathy for generally six defendants of all people and donald trump. during or go arguments in two cases. take for example, the case of a january 6th defendant. sim allele used costumes the justice department to question people in the capital attack. he suggested that if the court does not intervene, prosecutors could seek to use it against people involved in these will demonstrations like those that take place in a courtroom from time to time. but the protest is clearly not at all same as people are smashing windows and doors to invade the capital and causing members of congress and the republican vice president of the united states to flee for their lives. in the face of multiple ethics scandals, we have been talking about involving undisclosed gifts from her publican mega- donors to members of the supreme court, samuel alito has been unapologetic telling the wall street journal late last year that the quote "no provision in the constitution gives congress the authority to regulate the supreme court period." look, fairness and impartiality in both appearance and action are the principles judges are supposed to follow. especially in the highest court of the land. and at least at some point, samuel alito knew that. take a listen to an answer from his confirmation hearing back in 2006. >> to believe there is any room for a judge's own value or personal beliefs when he or she interprets the constitution? >> judges have to be careful not to inject their own views into the interpretation of the constitution. and for that matter, into the interpretation of statutes. that is not the job we are given. that is not the authority we are given. >> that is not the authority we are given. it is not the job we are given. alito knows or at least knew then what his job entailed. and despite all the actions and statements, he also apparently can't stand those who claim he is not living up to those standards. as he told the wall street journal, "everyone is free to express disagreement with our decisions and to criticize our reasoning as they see fit. but saying or implying that the court is becoming an illegitimate institution or questioning our integrity cross is an important line." see, justice alito wants to be revered as an impartial judge. just call balls and strikes as they are supposed to. but as this new tape and his time on the bench have shown, especially over the last several weeks and months, he is actually more of a player, actively engaged in one side's struggle to win. so is giving us every reason to expect this from him, given all the actions. it also doesn't mean it is something we should or need to accept. this is the former president of the naacp legal defense fund and joins me now. i always want to know what you are thinking. but as i listen to these tapes today, i wanted to know, what is share anable thinking. we talk to a becoming two things. how big of a deal is this? >> i think it's a big deal. i think it's a big deal in the cumulative sense and as you point out in your opening, this is not a colloquy that floats around in the air that is surrounded by plenty of context. we have seen all these statements from justice alito, not only in his decisions but when he went to rome after the dobbs decision. we heard him in very similar ways. what is it that is disturbing about this particular excerpt of the conversation? i think there are two things. one, i think is the way in which he was bantering back and forth with this woman who he did know was taping him in a way that suggested sympathy to her position. she was saying some pretty extreme things. probably the worst of it is when she said that we have to work to move this country back toward godliness. and he said, i agree with you. to me, that is just a very shocking statement. i don't think that is his charge as a supreme court justice to suggest that he believes the country needs to move toward godliness. she spoke often of what it was like in the past and that we need to return to some period in which things were more moral pick and he was agreeing with her. i don't know what period they were referring to. were they referring to a period in which there was much more religious talk in american life but there was also talk about keeping black people out of schools? what was the time period? i think the reason this is important is because the standard is a reasonable person standard. and justice alito refused to recuse himself from a variety of cases. said it is because a reasonable person, knowing all the facts of that is what he said about the flight controversy. but when we probe, we realize we don't know all the facts and the facts he has told us are not necessarily that accurate facts. we learned that from the flag flying issue when justice alito gave us a timeline that is not up. now, the reasonable person would reasonably believe perhaps that this justice was not impartial and that is the standard for recusal. but we will never get there unless parties actually file motions to recuse and that is i am hoping that this will show the united states, which is the party and the trump privilege case and others, that they have to have the courage to demand that these justices come forward in the context of recusal practice and explain themselves. we are not going to get it from sending letters to the justices we are not going to get it from having the justices just recuse themselves because they won't do it. we need to get really serious. and of course we need hearing from the senate judiciary committee so we can get to the bottom of this. it is quite serious. quite disturbing. quite alarming. and it is not a legitimate question the legitimacy of the court we have had this barrage of across the line conduct and misstatements and disclosures that would call into question the impartiality of any court. >> one of the things that was striking to me too is how he blames the erosion of trust in the court. what he blames it on. he blames it on all sorts of things. i was reminded of this today. he said this in 2023. and then talk to you about it on the other side. >> it is easy to blame the media. but i do blame them because they do nothing but criticize us. >> it is pretty rich, given his actions in his own words. it is not the first time he blame somebody else. his wife. everyone attacking him. what is that about? you were talking about accountability. people watching, what should they be doing if they are just outraged about this as well? >> i find this just really mortifying. and embarrassed for the court. we hear it with clarence thomas as well when he talks about the nastiness in washington d.c. and we hear it with alito. it is the media that eroded trust in the supreme court. no, it is the supreme court that eroded trust in the supreme court. in this kind of teenage refusal to take responsibility for their own actions is really incredibly alarming and disturbing and i put that at the feet of chief justice roberts. he is running the court. if i were running in institution and something extraordinary happens and like what happened in the dobbs case, which is something that never happened before in the history of the court, and a decision was leaked out to the public, i wouldn't just be trying to get to the bottom of who leaked it as vigorously as possible. i would want to understand what i created or what we created in our culture that encouraged such a breach of culture and protocol. all of these things should require the court to self reflect. to look at themselves. why do you have a justice on the court like clarence thomas who is not making the appropriate disclosures? we know they are appropriate because he is making them now that he has been found out. this has nothing to do with the media. the media is doing its job. in fact, the media has often been quite kind to the supreme court including around this flag issue which we had not heard about until three years late. it is not the media. these justices have to grow up and stop being stubborn teenagers and take responsibility for their own actions. this is where the leadership of the chief comes in here and when the chief allows a code of conduct, a voluntary code, as he allowed several months ago, a code so much more weak than the code that holds all other federal judges, he is essentially allowing and creating this culture of impunity in which they create rules that accommodate the actions they have already taken. so we have a real problem, ethical problem on the supreme court appeared to be honest with you, i blame us. i blame congress. we have failed. we have counted on the good behavior and the norms of the supreme court instead of putting in place real rules that they have to follow. and congress does have the power to be able to issue a code of ethics for the united states supreme court and they should do so. we cannot blame this just on the justices. we can't blame it on trump. we can't blame it on anything else but our believes that norms were enough. they are not enough as we are learning across the united states government and we have to get serious about what kinds of protections we need in place for the integrity of our nation's highest court. >> a lot of homework, including for chief justice roberts. thank you as always for joining me this evening. really appreciate it. coming up, governor josh shapiro joins me live to talk about donald trump's promises of revenge. >> first, the nominee had a meeting with his probation officer today. we will tell you what he was likely asked about and how it could affect his sentencing. christie greenberg is a former deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york and joins me in 60 seconds. seconds. let's get the rest of these plants in. organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. this soil will blow you away. it's the martha stewart of soil. today, donald trump met with the probation officer had of his sentencing for his 34 felony convictions in new york city. and the biden campaign cochair reminded me yesterday that this is one of those times where we need to pause and reflect on the extraordinary moment we are in. >> can we just stop on that fact. i will talk about the debate and a second. a guy that wants to be president of the united states first test to go sit down with his probation officer. that is just an astounding statement that sometimes people walk by. i don't think most americans are going to walk by that. >> he is completely right. we cannot just breeze by this stuff. trump's probation interview today happened virtually from mar-a-lago which is not typical. these meetings typically happen in person. but he is not a typical person who was just convicted either. but the interview itself is standard procedure for anyone convicted of a felony in new york. and one standard question trump may have been asked is whether he associates with criminals. you know, other convicted felons like steve bannon and oliver stone and his other buddies. we should not forget how extraordinary this moment is. kristi greenberg is the former deputy chief of the criminal division in the southern district of new york and joins me now. thank you so much. you tweeted today. i will start there. that trump would try to convince the probation officer not to recommend a jail sentence. but you said probation should reject the argument. how does that conversation exactly go down during one of these meetings? >> i think what you probably saw -- this was just 30 minutes. a short interview. you probably saw todd blanche taking the lead to try to highlight positive aspects of donald trump's character that they think or mitigating circumstances and things that they think will show he is amenable to supervision. so they will say, look, this criminal conduct which he denies, there is no victim here. but they need to look closer. we are victims. the american people are victims, not getting information that he was paying off a pornography start to make sure she didn't share that could have affected the election outcome. other things i think he will focus on are, i was the former president of the united states. i performed a great public service and you should take that into account. but it is also aggravating in the circumstance because he committed some of this crime like signing the checks to reimburse michael cohen right in the oval office. you could argue that. and he will point to the fact that he is a first-time offender. you know who else is a first- time offender? michael cohen, and he got sentenced to jail for the same conduct. allen weisselberg is essentially the same old -- one year apart. a lot of the factors that i expect todd blanche tried to highlight today in his interview, really it is going to be on the prosecutors to make their case separately to the probation office in presenting the fact that the trial record shows all the gag order violations and to show he is not following the court orders and he certainly won't follow the orders of probation. >> a lot of things to argue. i wanted to ask you, i mentioned one of the standard lines of questioning during one of these probation meetings. whether or not the person convicted of a felony associates with criminals. trump has a number of people who happen to fall into that category. i presume he is going to say no. i don't know what he said but what happens if he does associate with convicted criminals? are there repercussions? >> there are. there -- if he were sentenced to probation, there would be conditions to that probation term. among them is he cannot associate with other convicted felons. and so, steve bannon for example, is somebody that was convicted for criminal contempt charge and it has a trial that will start in a few months before the judge on a separate fraud case. with someone like that, someone who he has not pardoned because he is pardoned a number of his other criminal associates, for someone he is not pardoned, i would think he would not be able to associate. these are people that like we are involved with his campaign and that he would want to associate with. so we figure he will try to do that through intermediaries if he is sentenced to probation. >> quite a time to be alive, kristi greenberg. thank you for explaining this to us. that is always helping us to understand. i appreciate it. donald trump is not going to be able to append democracy on his own. he will need help. and a lot of help is available. we will introduce you to someone who could be his chief of staff and who has chilling plans for a second term. later, governor josh shapiro joins me to talk about all the ways the rule of law will be on the ballot in 2024. we are back after a quick break. so i can feel and see that my lines have gotten deeper just from a year out in the sun. i'm still marie and i got botox® cosmetic. i did not want a dramatic change. i wanted something subtle. and i'm really, really happy with the results. it's still me, but with fewer lines. botox® cosmetic is fda approved to temporarily make frown lines, crow's feet, and forehead lines look better. the effects of botox® cosmetic may spread hours to weeks after injection, causing serious symptoms. alert your doctor right away as difficulty swallowing, speaking, breathing, eye problems, or muscle weakness may be a sign of a life-threatening condition. do not receive botox® cosmetic if you have a skin infection. side effects may include allergic reactions, injection site pain, headache, eyebrow, eyelid drooping, and eyelid swelling. tell your doctor about your medical history, muscle or nerve conditions, and medications, including botulinum toxins as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. see for yourself at botoxcosmetic.com. they say we should stop eating so much meat. as these may increase the risk of serious side effects. so we made meat out of plants. because we aren't quitters. impossible. we're solving the meat problem with more meat. i bought the team! kevin...? 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there is a trial and a jury finds someone innocent or guilty? or do we prefer a country where he president uses the justice department as his personal law firm? are we okay with the current system where every american is accountable to the same set of laws? or do we prefer a country where the president can just prosecute whomever he chooses simply because he does not like them? the election will be about a lot of things no question. but that is definitely one of them. joining me now is pennsylvania governor josh shapiro. he was previously the state's attorney general. i'm grateful you are here with me. i want to start with what i laid out in the earlier block. basically, this idea that donald trump and his allies are bowing what they are telling supporters. simply fighting fire with fire. you are doing something with our guy and we are going to go back to you. but to me, when you look at the specifics of the plan, it feels like it is not exactly the right description. it is not just revenge but a plan in my view to reshape the system and go after their enemies. and last week, you said something that really struck me. you said i'm scared to death if he is in charge with the system. is a strong statement. i want to see what you anticipate or expect. what worries you about what could happen to the system? >> i'm deeply concerned by the system. it is why we should not put the country at risk by putting donald trump back in charge of the justice system or back in charge of the military. donald trump came out of those 34 convictions doing what he always does when he gets in legal trouble. kind of a cut and paste job, if you will. and a room with us well from my time as attorney general. he complains. he bemoans the fact that he lost and he makes up excuses and tries to pipit away from personal responsibility. remember, i was attorney general in pennsylvania where he and his cronies and allies took us to court 43 different times to try to stop certain people from voting and stop the votes from being cast. by the way, he went 0-43. we went 43-0 unprotected the rule of law and the will of the people. and now donald trump wants to come back. as he said, exact revenge. the idea he would be put in charge of the justice system and have people surrounding him that -- that should scare all americans. it is another example of the kind of chaos he would inflict on the country if he was given the opportunity to lead this nation. we have always been a nation that respects the rule of law and respects the institutions. donald trump has tried to undermine our faith in one another and our faith in the institutions. we didn't let him get away with it in 2020 and i hope and pray we won't let him get away with it in 2024. i will be doing everything in my political power here in pennsylvania to ensure he is not successful and the institutions stand and hold. >> let me ask you about something you just alluded to which is the takeover of the justice system. i think people hear that and they think it is the reshuffling of the government and what does it actually mean? i talked about this influential figure apparently and trump residence world. and could end of being his chief of staff of for trump was reelected. who knows? this is a man who openly says he does not believe the department of justice is an independent agency. i just want to ask you, what is the danger of that quick sometimes i think it feels like just bureaucracy in washington but it is much more than that. >> it is a lot more than bureaucracy. dangerous if he controls a bureaucracy as well. think about the justice department. he would have the power to criminally prosecute people who didn't do anything wrong but are just his enemies. go after companies that he disagreed with the products they are selling or the manner in which they are conducting themselves and to use the justice department to strip away people's liberties, rights and freedoms and undermine the constitution. ignore the courts and essentially just have his way with good people of this nation. and it should scare the hell out of everybody. remember in 2016 ever donald trump won and then took office in 2017, he and most people around him did not know what the hell they were doing and there were still a few people around him that provided some guardrails for his chaotic conduct. now those people that might provide the guardrails are gone and a lot of the dangerous people around him know how the bureaucracy works. they know how the justice system works. they know how the military works. and if he is given the opportunity to lead this nation again with those people around him, who want to do danger and take away your fundamental freedoms, that should scare the hell out of everybody and that is not the kind of chaos we want in this country. >> it is such an important point. it is the people that know how to manipulate and it is also the plans being written. a lot of the more online. keeping with the legal discussion here, i want to ask about the supreme court. at the top of the hour, we talked about the supreme court and specifically, justice samuel alito. and this audio come he agreed there should be a fight to return our country to a place of godliness. this comes after the reporting of a flag outside of his house that has been a symbol associated with january 6th and serious ethical scandals around justice thomas and a lot of things. it feels like there is a credibility crisis for the supreme court. i just want to ask you, what is the solution here? >> remember, this is the court that donald trump packed in order to take away woman's right to choose. in order to make my daughter and other women out there have fewer rights today then they were born with. so this is purposeful on donald trump residence part, to pack the court with these people that want to restrict our freedom. people that have their own agendas. and justice alito, samuel alito, is showing his agenda by the way he flies his flags and apparently the way he runs his mouth as well. what the american people need to do is take that into consideration when they go vote this november. do you really want to give donald trump the ability to appoint more samuel alito as opposed to the court or more clarence thomas is to the court. you want to give him the ability to put more people on the court who will take away our fundamental freedoms? remember that justice thomas wrote that abortion is just the beginning. the very fundamental reasoning or foundation or reasoning they used to overturn roe v wade could be applied in other ways. it could be used to restrict your ability to marry who you love or undermine your ability to be able to go out and take the medications that you and your doctor want you to take. i really fear that this was just the beginning. and if donald trump is given the ability to lead this nation again and put more of those kinds of justices on the court, it will not only set us back for four years but it will set us back for 40 years. the stakes are so high in the selection. and while donald trump and joe biden's names are on the ballot, this is a binary choice. and don't let anybody tell you anything else. there a bunch of randoms on the ballot that have no chance of winning. this is a binary choice between donald trump and joe biden. it is not about those two. it is the kind of country want for ourselves. it is whether we value freedom and care about our institutions and whether we believe we have to move forward to brighter days or whether we will go back to a very dark time. this election is a referendum and a reflection on all of us. and we have a responsibility to turn out and to get others to turn out who will stand up against the kind of extremism we have seen on the supreme court and in the white house with donald trump and instead stand up for freedom and for fundamental values as americans and continue to move our country forward. >> before we let you go, i have to ask you about pennsylvania. you know the politics of your state. you know them extremely well. we have seen it. it has not been that long since the convictions. we have seen a little bit of impact in the polls. there are a lot of things that will be on the ballot and on voter mines. as you are talking to voters and knowing your state as you do, you think trump's conviction will be something that helps people to decide who are on the fence at this state? >> i don't know how that conviction will ultimately play out. i know the people of pennsylvania, they care a lot about four basic things. they want good schools. they want safe communities. they want economic opportunities. and they want their freedoms to be protected. i think they want to be led by someone who is honest and decent. someone who actually is on their side like joe biden. all they hear from donald trump is a whole bunch of whining about this country and i think donald trump has to quit whining. quit trying to divide us. we are producing more energy than anyone before the in this nation. we have the strongest economy in the world and we are beating china for the first time in decades. more people went to work this morning in america than any other time in our nation's history. i have a message to donald trump and all of his negativity and whining, stop shit talking america. this is the greatest country on earth and it is time we start acting like it. the good people of pennsylvania understand this is a great country. they understand we have a lot going for us. and we have time to continue this path of progress that joe biden has laid out and not go back to a negative time. and not listen to the whining of the former president and instead, focus on a positive future for all of us. >> quit your whining. it is a good message. thank you so much governor schapiro. i always enjoy talking to you. i appreciate it. we will be right back after a quick b break. ack it himmune fight cancer in 2 different ways. opdivo and yervoy can cause your immune system to harm healthy parts of your body during and after treatment. these problems can be severe and lead to death. see your doctor right away if you have a cough; chest pain; shortness of breath; irregular heartbeat; diarrhea; constipation; severe stomach pain; severe nausea or vomiting; dizziness; fainting; eye problems; extreme tiredness; changes in appetite, thirst or urine; rash; itching; confusion; memory problems; muscle pain or weakness; joint pain; flushing; or fever. these are not all the possible side effects. problems can occur together and more often when opdivo is used with yervoy. tell your doctor about all medical conditions including immune or nervous system problems, if you've had or plan to have an organ or stem cell transplant, or received chest radiation. your search for 2 immunotherapies starts here. ask your doctor about opdivo plus yervoy. a chance to live longer. first, we did the impossible. then, you ate so many of the impossible that we completely ran out. and now... ♪♪ they're backk! the footlong cookie is back at subway! organic soil from miracle-gro has grown me the best garden i have ever had. good soil, and you get good results. look at that! the broccoli was fantastic. that broccoli! i think some of them were six, seven pounds. new centrum menopause supplements help unpause life when symptoms pause it. with a multivitamin plus hot flash support. 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or the whale will they just vote for biden instead? or do we know that by your conversations? >> in this particular group, five out of nine of them, trump voters, five of them were going to vote for biden. i think there are a lot of people that think, somebody that voted for donald trump twice, it seems like a long shot to get them to vote for biden. but i think it is important to understand that for a section of voters who kind of held their nose and voted for donald trump twice and then saw what happened on january 6th, saw donald trump's claims and lies about the election, they were already pretty -- that was sort of a red line for them. they were pretty far out. what the conviction does is it moves them from -- and i hear this a lot from a two time trump voters who were upset. saying, i'm not going to leave it blank. it got them to a place where they said, this guy is totally unfit to be in the white house. i will vote for biden, not because i want to vote for biden and not because i want to vote for a democrat but because i will vote for anybody that will keep donald trump out of the white house because he is that dangerous. you are always in the selection, especially with the swing voters or the right. for them, you are not building it pro joe biden coalition but an anti-trump coalition. and as donald trump gets back into people's consciousness which is a lot of what is happening with the conviction, people are remembering, yeah, i don't like that guy. you are seeing a shift in voters were before, they were focused on negative things they thought about biden and now they are remembering the negative things they don't like about trump. >> it is so interesting to watch the focus groups and listen to you talk about them. you know well and i know well that they are big moments in campaigns. we have also seen the campaign sharpening rhetoric around the convictions. and there is a difference between what the campaign says and what michael tyler is saying and what the candidates say. when you look at the debate coming up, is a couple weeks from now, what should the president be saying? he is trying to appeal to the voters and to base voters. what is the right framing of language? >> the conviction is the elephant in the room. you have to talk about it. and you also don't get in a situation where you would just call him a convicted felon as many times as possible and try to win on points. the conviction is the critical data point in the story that a lot of the polling and focus group say we should be telling about trump which is that he is in this for himself. is running for office to protect himself from further legal jeopardy to help himself and his rich friends and to bring revenge to his enemies. it was that exact attitude, that me first attitude, that got him in this trouble to begin with. you have to take the conviction. this moment that actually caused people to brave out of their anti- politics bubble for a few minutes and pay attention to this race and then use that to tell the more broad story. you can do that in a debate over and over again and do it in a disciplined, calm falls way that is not allowed trump to drag you down into the mud. >> that makes a huge amount of sense to me. i wanted to ask you a similar version of the story. there are a couple of audiences biden has to appeal to. of these people you talk to and focus groups, is there anything president biden could say about the convictions that would turn them off? is there anything that is a trigger for them about it? >> when it comes to the swing voters, it is not just what he says but how he says it. for them, they want to see that joe biden can do this job. you have to get people over this hump that they think joe biden is too old. because this is where trump kind of wins often times. he has big lunatic energy that make him seem just more vivacious or more aggressive. and sometimes when he listened to voters, they get into kind of a strong framing where they are like, trump is bad but strong and biden is okay but weak. biden has to show strength. i agree with dan. you can't just say conviction over and over again. but he does have to go on offense. in fact, the whole campaign right now has to go on offense. we are in the moment to push. we have to stop talking about democracy being at stake and the campaign has to campaign like democracy is at stake. joe biden has to show that he is ready to go. i think it is not just the name- calling of convicted felons but being able to say, this man is unfit and i'm good to go. and you have to show that and not just tell it. >> state of the union energy. it is about the vibes i'm hearing. i wanted to ask you about you encouraging people not to be stressed. everyone should find it and subscribe to it. we will talk about it next time. thank you both for joining me. we will be right back after a quick break. don't go anywhere! dangerous ladders. gutter muck. yuck. no wonder you hate cleaning your gutters. good thing there's leaffilter. our patented filter technology keeps leaves and debris out of your gutters forever. guaranteed. call 833- leaffilter to get started. and get the permanent gutter solution that ends clogs for good. they took the time to answer all of our questions. they really put us at ease. end clogged gutters for good. call 833.leaf.filter, or visit leaffilter.com today. ♪♪ with fastsigns, create striking custom visuals that inspire pride district-wide. ♪♪ fastsigns. make your statement. if you have chronic kidney disease you can reduce the risk of kidney failure with farxiga. because there are places you'd like to be. farxiga can cause serious side effects, including ketoacidosis that may be fatal, dehydration, urinary tract, or genital yeast infections, and low blood sugar. a rare, life-threatening bacterial infection in the skin of the perineum could occur. stop taking farxiga and call your doctor right away if you have symptoms of this infection, an allergic reaction, or ketoacidosis. ♪ far-xi-ga ♪ when we say it'll be on time, they expect it to be on time. turn shipping to your advantage. keep those expectations with reliable ground shipping. thanks brandon. with usps ground advantage®. ♪♪ the rachel maddow show starts right now. hi, rachel. >> hi, yen. thanks very much. much appreciated. thanks to you at home. really happy to have you here. we have an interesting show for you tonight. particularly glad you're here for it. we're going to start a ways

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oh like she's still got it. courtney cox, letting the world know. she's still has the moves that she showed off in bruce springsteen's video for dancing in the dark, the friends star joining a social media trend where kids ask their parents to show them how they danced in the 1980s, cox famously appeared in springsteen's 1984 and music video. jumping on stage to boogie with the boss molly ball has your daughter made you do this yet no could you better or worse than a by way waveshape, let's put courtney back first quarter me and her dancing. there yep, there she is. >> i mean, honestly that i think i could do that might be the limit of my abilities, but that i could do i mean i don't know because i wouldn't want to do it in public, but i'm not do not checked doing matt either. all right thanks, guys. >> every much. appreciate your time today. thanks for all to all of you for joining us. i'm casey had don't go anywhere santa new central starts right now all right. breaking overnight for american stabbed in china's the attack centered on social media. and we just learned seconds ago, a suspect has been arrested sit in this attack dangerous for our democracy. this must stop. attorney general merrick garland taking on republican lawmakers and taking them on head-on today as he warned because the attacks on his department are going to get someone hurt jury deliberations resumed today and hunter biden's federal gun trial, the president's son, waiting to hear his fate i'm kate bolduan with on vermin cnn's sara sidner is out today. this is cnn news central breaking just seconds to go a suspect arrested in china, connected to the stabbing of four american educators there still questions about if and why these americans were targeted. >> new video appears to show the aftermath what was quickly centered on chinese social media blood is visible at the scene. the victims are from cornell college in iowa they are in northeast china as part of a partnership with a local university seed and steve john joins us now from beijing with the very latest on this arrest iv. what are you learning? >> yeah, john, that police of that you just mentioned came from jilin city in northeastern china. as you said, a suspect was caught by the police and now in custody, the police describing him as a 55-year-old local residents with a surname of twain. now, they also add a bit more details in terms of what happened, saying this suspect, according called collided with one of the americans in the park and then somehow decided to use a knife to attack that an american and three companions, as well as a local chinese citizen trying trying to stop this attack. now, the police statement added that none of the injuries were life-threatening and all of the injured people have received prompt m. proctor medical care. now, this is the local authorities breaking their silence more than 24 hours after this horrific incident earlier, we have heard we had heard from the chinese foreign ministry echoing a lot of whether police just said, but also they he used the word isolated incident to describe this case. that's obviously the key message from the government to the outside world. but it is worth pointing out that this kind of violence against foreigner is rare in this country because china's generally considered a safe place to visit with a heavy security police presence, not to mention there are massive surveillance and it's technologies being deployed nationwide. but because it's almost impossible to get hold of gun for most ordinary chinese people, stabbing incidents like this have happened in recent years targeting people ranging from doctors, to school schoolchildren. but again violence against foreigner is rare. that's why this case is receiving so much attention. nine not to mention the timing of this attack, couldn't have come at a worse time for the chinese government because they're leader xi jinping has been personally promoting the resumption and expansion of the so-called people-to-people exchanges between the two countries after the two governments finally, somewhat stabilized their fragile relationship. >> xi jinping, wow, in san francisco november personally said, china was ready to host 50,000 young americans in the coming five years for study and exchange programs. >> just last year, she i just last week actually, excuse me, xi jinping wrote a letter to a new jersey, new jersey college stressing the importance of this kind of exchanges. so if this incident somehow ends up dampening america two kinds interest and enthusiasm in coming back to china, i think that we consider, considered quite a major setback for the chinese leader john kth, china, china wants you as students there and us money there. >> and this is the video we're looking at right now. you can see the victims clearly are on the ground. this video again has been centered on chinese social media. one suspect now in custody, steve. thank you so much for that update. keep us posted on new developments. >> also, do this morning, a scathing public statement by attorney general merrick garland just published in the washington post to garland riding in an op-ed is warning against what he calls the unfounded attacks and department of justice that he says is putting his staff and democracy in danger. the attorney general saying this in part, using conspiracy theories, false hoods, violence, and threats of violence to effect political outcomes is not normal. the short-term political benefits of those tactics we'll, tactics will never make up for the long-term cost to our country. and even though he does not say republicans anywhere in this op-ed, it is clear who he is referring to, quite frankly, garland also saying this at one point, these attacks come in the form of threats to defund particular department investigations. most recently, the special council's prosecution of the former president, the attorney general's rare public rebuke comes right as house republicans are preparing to take the next step today and charging him with contempt of congress seen as lauren fox has more adding to the attention around this movement today is now this opinion piece from the attorney one general. what is going to happen in the house today? lauren yeah. >> okay. what you're going to see in just a couple of hours is the house rules committee will convene to consider these two resolutions to hold garland in contempt. now, what this does is it is the first step to get it to the house floor. we do expect that that action could to happen later this week. one of the question marks since these two resolution's passed in the judiciary and oversight committees, was whether or not house republican leadership had the votes to actually advance them on the floor. obviously, they're feeling very confident about that, or they wouldn't be moving this through the rules committee today. but again, how speaker for my johnson can only afford to lose two republicans and still get this across the finish line. what this would ultimately do is these resolutions would instruct the house speaker to refer garland for potential criminal charges from the attorney in washington, dc. again, it is very unlikely that that would happen, but this is not without some precedents. if you remember, house republicans actually held eric holder in contempt of congress democrats held william barr in contempt of congress. nothing ultimately came of that, but that just shows you that there is a record and there is a history of the opposing party holding the president's attorney general in contempt of congress. and we should just note this all stems over a dispute over whether or not the attorney general should release the special counsel's audio interview with president joe biden. those transcripts have been released, but house republicans say that they want the audio of the interview to continue their investigation into joe biden lauren. >> good to see you. thank you so 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there'll be allowed to go directly to the jury room and the once everyone is back in that room, vacant, pick up the deliberations on their own we won't necessarily see them this morning. now, while they're in that room doing their deliberations, they have to weigh three criminal charges that special counsel, david weiss this has brought against hunter biden. he's accused, as everyone knows by now, of lying on gun forms and illegally possessing a gun while addicted to drugs, but it's a little more complicated than that, john, because while those are the top line charges, each one of those offenses contains several elements of the offense that the jury needs to also debate discuss, and decide whether each one of those elements within each charge was also met so there's a lot under the hood here for the jury to hash out. now, i do want to point out obviously this has been a family affair for the bidens from the the very start, and they really beefed up the support yesterday in court. we saw obviously the first lady, jill biden president biden's sister, valerie, his brother, james and then hunter biden's sister, younger sister, ashley, was also in the pews in the gallery during the closing arguments during that final push. and they're present isn't caught the attention of the prosecution. one of the very first thing is that prosecutor leo wise told the jury in his closing arguments was basically telling them that there's a lot of famous people in the galleries. there are people you might recognize from the news, from the community. but respectfully, none of that matters. pay no attention come to that and only focus on the evidence in this case, which the prosecution claimed was overwhelming. john, in many ways right now the fate of the president's son it is in the jury's hands and there'll be back in just about two hours to hopefully reach a conclusion. >> a verdict could come at any time. marshall cohen, thanks so much for being there. needless to say, keep us posted 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your home. >> the cost of homo, home-ownership has gone up 26% since the pandemic spring and seen as matt egan, he's got more on this digging into these what's going to be sobering numbers, what's going on here? well, a lot of people probably think that once they buy their first home, they're done, right? but in reality, they're just getting started because there's all of these hidden costs of homeownership and they can really add up bank rate found that on average americans are spending 18 thousand dollars a year to own and maintain their home. that is obviously a lot of money when you think about it, it's almost like the cost of buying a used car a year. this is 26% more than in 2020. and of course this is all on top of your mortgage payment, right? we're talking about the cost of energy, the cost of property taxes and the biggest drivers according to bankrate or the fact that it's gotten more expensive to maintain a home. and also the cost of home insurance that we've seen premiums spike, right? for two reasons. >> one, it's the fact that there's the climate crisis has made it more likely that there's these disasters, right? >> we've seen wildfire person hurricanes and flooding. then the cost of living, labor, materials that's all gone up. so it's more expensive to repair when this happens, i spoke to a woman in california yesterday who told me that her home insurance rate doubled with no notice because of concerns about wildfires on top of that, they have to spend $10,000 to repair the plumbing now, she's taking on extra hours to try to make ends meet and she's not alone, kate? >> absolutely. does it matter? does it change depending on where you live? >> it does. it does. >> not shockingly, some of them more expensive places to own and maintain a home or here in the northeast, we seat new jersey massachusetts, connecticut, of course, all of these states high cost of living also high property taxes. california and hawaii, two very expensive it's a place to live. it's costing almost $30,000 a year. now, we've also seen a big surge in the cost of owning and maintaining a home in hawaii up by almost 40%, but also big increases since 2020 in idaho and utah as well. these are the three states with you price is going to expense is going up the most. now, on the opposite end of the spectrum, some states has actually become more affordable to own and maintain a home. arkansas, kentucky, mississippi, three of the more affordable places to live there. we've seen expenses go up at a slower pace, but listen, i think at the end of the de, no matter where you live, the message here is that you've got a budget for the unexpected, the burst pipe, the home insurance spike, because when it happens, it can be really painful. yeah. >> and you're also keeping tied to this. you're also keeping then keeping a close watch on an increase of underwater mortgages. >> that's right. so let me most americans are sitting on a nice cushion of equity because home prices have gone up but there is an increase in some people who are seriously underwater. that means that they owe 25% more than the home is worth. it's never a good sign. we've seen this is a particular problem in louisiana, wyoming, kentucky, and mississippi, and oklahoma. and this reflects the fact that in some of these areas home prices have actually gone down since the peak and some people, they bought at the peak, they bought at the top. so now they owe more than what the home is actually worth. i think big picture nationally, this does not seem to be a major problem, only about 2.7% of all mortgages are seriously underwater. that's pretty low back in the great recession was around one in four homes that were underwater, but we do need to keep an eye on this. and i do think it's another reminder that whether you're talking about expenses or fluctuating home prices homeownership, it's not without risk. kate i mean, look, kentucky is a perfect example. >> kentucky is among the states that you said where homes were becoming more affordable and you're also seeing this is where people are for have being seriously underwater with their mortgages because they've also seen home prices go down. so you talk about the kind of the complicated web of, it doesn't come without risks and it's all interconnected in a very strange way exactly. >> it's good to see you, man. thank you so much. >> so coming up for us, attorney general merrick garland is facing another contempt vote in congress today, and he is not facing it quietly. >> he's his blistering rebuke of the conspiracy theories that he says are endangering the department of justice, the people working there, and democracy and the white house is celebrating black history with an early juneteenth celebration this election season, stay with cnn with more reported here's on the ground. >> and the best political team in the business follow the voters, follow the results, follow the facts follow. >> cnn we just signed the lease on our 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not only a number of meetings here, but also throughout the region to try to push forward this ceasefire deal and a hostage release. he had come from egypt. and then here he met with prime minister benjamin netanyahu, the defense minister, the leader of the opposition, and benny gantz, who until just a couple of days ago, was a member of the war cabinet before he resigned from the israeli perspective. that's everybody you'd have to meet with two potentially get israel to agree to a ceasefire proposal once it's at that stage, but blinken knows he's still has work to do and that's why he's now in jordan and then going to meet qatari officials who've been a key mediator here. he's trying to move this forward even after the events of the weekend and a hostile a hostage rescue operation in israel that killed scores of palestinians, incidents like that have brought negotiations to a grinding halt in the past he is trying to push them forward. the proposal on the table right now, here is the rough outline phase one would see a cessation to hostilities temporarily that would allow for more negotiations. to take place. a hostage release, palestinians released from prisons as well, and hostages remains released. that then would lead to phase two. that's a withdrawal of israeli forces, a permanent end to hostilities. that conclusion of the hostage release and then phase three would be the rebuilding of gaza from the us perspective, and the biden administration's perspective, they believe they have israel in a position where they'll agree to this. the question for blinken, does hamas and specifically hamas's leader in gaza, yahya sinwar agree we await the answer from hamas, and that will speak volumes about what they want, what they're looking before, who they're looking after are they looking after one guy who may be for now safe, very i don't know ten storeys underground somewhere in gaza as a while the people that he purports to represent continue to suffer and across fire of his own making or will he do what's necessary? >> to actually move this to a better place to help him the suffering of people, to help bring real security to israelis and palestinians alike hamas has made some positive noises about a un security council resolution that passed in the last 24 hours or so, calling for a permanent end to hostilities. >> but there is still the details to be worked out and that john is where this has certainly fallen apart in the past. that's what blinken is trying to prevent right now and his whirlwind of meetings through region yeah. just about every time in the past it has fallen apart when it gets to those details are in lieberman. thanks so much. keep us posted on what you here. >> also new this morning conspiracy theories, falsehoods, and unfounded threats of violence must stop that's from the attorney general, merrick garland speaking out this morning in a new opinion piece to defend his agency and also call out really no uncertain terms the people and politicians attacking the department of justice. garland saying in part, quote in recent weeks, we have seen an escalation of attacks that go far beyond public scrutiny and criticism and legitimate necessary oversight of our work. there baseless, personal and dangerous also saying disagreements about politics are good for our democracy. their normal. but using conspiracy theory is false hoods violence, and threats of violence to effect political outcomes is not normal they are dangerous for our democracy. this must stop joining me right now. democratic congressman greg meeks from new york, he is the top democrat on the house foreign affairs committee. congressman, thank you for being here. this of course, is as republicans are moving forward with another step today toward potentially a full house vote on a contempt of congress charge against the attorney general. what impact will this have? >> nothing it's again another false allegations. >> and when the republicans have virtually done nothing in their majority, nothing for the american people. they keep coming up with plots in investigations and hearings that mean absolutely. and turns out to be nothing there's nothing burgers this is you know, i've been in congress for over 26 years and this is like nothing ever before. we should be doing legislative work. there's a lot of things that we need to be doing should be doing in a collective manner, in a bipartisan manner for the american people, oftentimes, you've seen hakeem jeffries and democrats step-up to do the kind of thing that the american people need. but these illness investigations and virtually every committee okay. just about every committee, mike committee on foreign affairs we've had and had to debunk these false allegations from time to time and time again. so it's just something that is i think horrendous and needs to stop. and let's do work for the american people fact that they're moving into rules committee. >> do you think republicans could only lose two votes? do you think that suggests they have the votes to push this through luck? i don't know what they're dysfunctioning is an oftentimes to get certain things out of the rules that were important for the american people. it took democrats to get that done. so whether they have the votes to get it out of the rules, whether they just don't want we don't want to try to divert the american people's attention away from the a candidate who has been convicted as a felon whether they are trying to close their eyes to the fact or the damage they've done to ukraine by holding the supplemental 46 months so it seems to me that they are trying to pull a bait and switch the try to keep the people's attention away from what is really taking place in the house of representatives, which is absolutely nothing to talk about what happened here in new york yesterday, un security council approving a hostage, throwing their support behind a hostage and ceasefire deal for israel and hamas the fact that they could agree on anything is a big deal considering how divided the council has been and divided the un has been over this war. and tony blinken said this morning that in meetings netanyahu reaffirmed his commitment to that peace proposal do you do you we have not heard from netanyahu publicly endorsing a peace proposal. do you does it concern you that we have not? >> i think that the fact that you see secretary blinken there you see the cia director burns there brett mcgurk there, and talking to the various people in the region. i think that the israeli people we see them talking about, they want a deal. everyone wants a deal and that's why i think it's important to now and what should be focused or hamas. and have hamas to agree to a deal i'm so happy we've got those four hostages home. but there was prices to pay for that. and the way to prevent the price of death for innocent individuals and putting israeli soldiers in harm's way is to have a deal done. it is time to do a deal. and i think that president biden has shown the great leadership that he always does and pulling people together that we should be able to get a deal done saudi arabia, once a deal and this then begins to talk about what takes place after there's a deal which was what benny gantz was talking about, which is really important, which and still remains a huge question right now, the house has passed a sanctions bill against the international criminal court for moving to seek for a seek arrest warrants against including benjamin netanyahu for what the court had said was they saw crimes against humanity and war crimes 42 democrats joined republicans in the house to support the sanctions vote. the white house does not support it, but i want to play, i want to play for you. one of the democrats who voted with republicans jared moskowitz, listen to this the ic50, she's saying is outrageous. >> okay. they have no jurisdiction over israel. they had no jurisdiction over syria. in fact, the icc's specifically said, well, the reason why we didn't go after assad for war crimes we didn't issue a warrant at after he killed 300,000 civilians with chemical weapons, by the way, gassing them it's because, we, don't have jurisdiction. well, they don't have jurisdiction here with israel, but now we have a made-up rule, right? it's, it's magical. all of a sudden they gave themself jurisdiction when they don't have any so that's why it was critical that we pass this bill yesterday on a bipartisan basis you voted against this this very same bill. >> why are you write and moscowitz wrong on this one? >> first of all, it's premature. what we had is a prosecutor who applied for a subpoena for the arrest of mr. netanyahu and of sinwar from hamas that hasn't happened is premature. number one. number two, it undermined some because we celebrated that too long ago when the icc did appropriately, it was went to the judges and the judges decided that they would ask for the arrest of mr. putin. should he do? who something of that nature not clearly what is wrong is the prosecutor. and i think that the the bill that passed was so wide in sanctioning allies would, would have been sanctioned and other individuals who are friends that it was just too much. >> and what we need to focus on narrowly is that prosecutor, to try to equate israel to hamas? >> that is absolutely condemn able. and something that we are all upset about. and so there's a way that we could work together. and if it was a singularly focused that regard to think that we could have talked about it. but this bill was far too broad it had unintended consequences that would hurt our relationships with numbers around the world a lot on your plate right now, congressman, thanks for coming in. >> really appreciate your time. thank you. >> all right very shortly jury deliberations resume in hunter biden's federal gun case. the president's son has pleaded not guilty to three felony counts related to a 2018 gun purchase. with this now, former deputy assistant attorney general, tom dupree, counselor. great to see you this morning. the jury gets back shortly. they walk into the deliberation room. >> what do you thanks at the top of their minds well, it's a good question, john and i think today is the day we're finally going to get a verdict in this case. >> i think when the jury resumes its deliberations today, my guess is they're probably going to start marching through all the evidence. i thought the prosecutors and their closing argument did a good job and reminding the jury that regardless of the fame one of the defendant, his last name, he is the son of the president, the jury's task is to focus on the evidence, and i suspect that the jury will go about that task this morning. i suspect they're going to march through and discuss what they heard from all witnesses. the physical evidence, and then really begin focusing their attention on reaching a decision the prosecution overtly referred to the people in the gallery, hunter biden's family, really that has been coming to this trial. >> why do you think that is? because the defense hasn't exactly i mean, they've been there and supportive hunter biden right? i think the prosecution here is addressing the elephant in the room. they are acknowledging implicitly, but acknowledging that this is the son of the president who has standing trial, and that the jury can look out and see the first lady, the united states, and other political celebrities. this is obviously a family that is very well known in delaware many of the jurors have had some sort of interaction or at least are pretty familiar with the biden family. and so i think it was the prosecutors way of basically saying, look, let's step back, let's focus on the task at hand and let's put aside any sympathy or any feelings that we may have for this famous defendant and his famous family as all defense lawyers try to do abbe lowell, you're actually seeing a sketch of him, right there has tried to give jurors than a narrow out of reasonable doubt in that is to paraphrase here roughly that hunter biden in his mind it was not addicted to drugs when he signed a form that said he wasn't addicted to drugs on that day in that day alone at the moment the pen hit the paper, hunter biden didn't think he was addicted to drugs. that's the defense argument. there is that something is that enough for jurors to grab onto board? >> i think that is a pretty narrow path. look, i think that's an argument that a lawyer, tim love. i'm not sure. juror is going to love it. i suspect that the jury is going to say that the law doesn't require that hunter biden was using drugs the morning and he purchased the gun. are the hour before or after he purchased the gun? i think they are going to say did he buy this gun and fill out that form at a point in his life when he was abusing crack, when he was under the influence of controlled substances, when he was addicted to controlled substances. and my hunch is that they are not going to parse the law as finally, in his name he really is the defense lawyers are doing that said, i understand their strategy. i don't think they have a lot of cards to play, and i think they're just putting their best foot forward and hoping hoping they can kick up enough sand to create reasonable doubt in the minds of these jurors. >> all right. tom dupree, depressed diamond blue is great to see you this morning. thanks so much for being with us so donald trump's message to evangelical voters, the latest promise he's making on the campaign trail clashes overnight and a major us university with new arrests if you have graves disease and blurry vision, you need clear answers. people with graves could also get thyroid eye disease, or ted, which may need a different doctor find a ted is specialist at is-it ted.com. >> it's so easy to get your windshield replaced using safe flight. why don't you just get a fixed? all right. so 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>> and while the event was a collaboration of freedom, the president also took the opportunity to rail against what he called some political leaders working to take away the hard-won freedoms of black americans seen as arlette sciences at the white house, with much more on this. what was the president's message? >> well, kate, president biden, use this june teeth celebration event to stress that he remains committed to protecting and advancing the rights of black americans in this country. he, in his remarks argued that black history is american history three and he did not mention donald trump or any risks specific republican opponents by name. but the president was seeking to really draw an implicit contrast with republicans. he spoke out against book bans, attacks on diversity programs, as well as efforts to restrict voting. take a listen to what he had to say. >> we're all goes new garments trying to take his back well, there are taking it away. your freedom to make it harder. her black people to vote wow, or have your vote counted. closing doors of opportunity, attacking the values of diversity, equity, and inclusion now the president's message comes as black voters are expected to be a key part heading into the november election, the biden campaign and administration in recent weeks have really been i'm trying to tell some of their works to help the black community talking about things like wiping out student loan debt, copying the price of insulin as well as other economic advancements for the black community. >> but if you take a look at polling, former president donald trump has made gains a with black voters in this election. if you take a look at a recent poll from the new york times and sienna college. while biden wasn't head with about 63% of support from black voters. donald trump had 23%. that's a historic high for republicans uk crossing that 20% margin. now, if you take a look at 20:20 you've seen a much wider gap in that contest. black voters really made up a key part of biden's constituency back in 2020. and campaign advisers acknowledged they have more work to do heading into this election, especially as we have seen, this narrowing of support. so as you saw the president's remarks, you saw in recent events, thinking back to his speech at morehouse college, speech at an n double acp events out in detroit. the biden campaign working to hold onto that and rebuild that support from black voters, which will once again be key if he's trying to win a second term to the white house arlette time. >> thank you so much. john new fall out this morning after donald trump vowed to walk side-by-side with a group of conservative political activists that opposes abortion in all cases and calls the procedure child sacrifice in a video message, trump touted his past accomplishments on the pro-life agenda and said that democrats are against their religion, cnn's alayna treene is here now with the very latest alaina while good morning, john. yes. donald trump addressed this suit group. it was part of their southern baptist convention and annual meeting that they have and he really honed in on saying luck democrats are against your religion as, as you mentioned, and tried to convince them to continue to support his campaign. what i find really interesting about this is because with donald trump, he has been kinda, he's waffled on abortion over the past year. it's really not an issue that he wants to discuss. however, when he is put in front of these groups, particularly ones that but are very much against abortion. he very much leans into what he has done for the evangelical community and also people and groups that are against abortion as well. take a listen to what he said last night. >> now is the time for us to all pull together and to stand up for our values and for our freedoms. and you just can't vote democrat. they're against religion there, against your religion in particular, i know that each of you is protecting those values every day and i hope we'll be defending them side-by-side for your next four years. these are gonna be your years now, john, as i mentioned before, i just want to make very clear what donald trump is trying to do here. >> he is trying to convince these groups that they have to vote for him. and then if they vote for republicans, that they'll try to continue to undo some of the work he did while in office, which of course touting his stacking of the court with three very conservative supreme court justices that helped overturn roe versus wade. but i will say, as we often hear from donald trump, he likes to tout that he was the most pro life president in history. he's also really angered a lot of abortion active anti-abortion activists by not really taking a position on a federal ban. he said that he wants to leave abortion up to the states. and so this is really angered a lot of these groups as well. and so this message is really him trying to ensure that these people come out for him in november john alayna treene in washington, atlanta. thanks so much. kate, joining us right now, a cnn senior political commentator, anna navarro and cnn political commentator and democratic strategists. >> maria cardona. maria, this pushes this would john and alina were just talking about this? pushes abortion once again into the spotlight donald trump did not include any specifics on abortion policy, what it support what he doesn't support, he doesn't even mention the word abortion at all in that tape or mark. that does what well, he thinks that it's going to help him screen him from being the one that actually was responsible for taking away roe v. >> wade for taking away women's freedoms and rights to make decisions over our own bodies. but he can't have it both ways, kate, it was very clean here. what he was trying to do in this video, it's very clear what he tries to do whenever he is in front of these christian groups. and in fact, when he is in front of these christian groups most of the time he can't help himself and he brags about being the one that was appointed the three conservative justices who are responsible for for. turning roe v. wade. and so the more that he talks about this even though he doesn't say the word abortion, the better it's going to be for democrats, the better it's going to be for president biden and for everyone frankly, running on this issue about how women should be the ones the only ones to be able to make decisions about our own bodies for themselves, their families, their communities. and that frankly and underscores that this election is about more than just that. it's about our rights, freedoms in general. and it was very rich that he stood there talking about values and freedoms when he is the one that is completely devoid, a value suzanne is the one who's trying to take away our rights and freedoms ana politico has a quote from one trump voter who it says was in the room for these tape remarks at this gathering saying this this from this is coming from a man named rick patrick. >> he sounded more like a politician who wanted to be elected i voted for him and i plan to vote for him again, but he was not like the other speakers who were here talking about religious things i read that thinking. does that just encapsulate what is president biden's problem though? this guy is not happy about what he heard from the, from the candidate that he says he voted for before for you will vote for again. but it's not like donald trump trying to have it both ways. donald trump but it's not both sides in it, but donald trump at one point saying that he was going to come up with a abortion policy that was going to make everybody happy he's not going to it's not going to stop him from voting for trump, even if he doesn't like what trump is saying about it you know, i think a lot of evangelicals cross that bridge already and they did so in 2016 after they voted for donald trump after they heard him boast about sexual assault on video and take the campaign, to me, it's just so weird, bizarre, right? >> how many times have we now her trump and history gets? >> compared him to jesus compare him to being martyred on the cross, crucified, taking all of this pain for us. it's all of these religious jesus like themes that are somehow weaved into donald trump's existence, which sounds as crazy as can be it's crazy for him to say that democrats are against religion at a time when we are led by joe biden, who in my lifetime is the most religious precedent i can recall, is not a christian conservative, is irish half church, boeing practicing catholic look, this hasn't worked for them, but i do think that there's then a come a time when the rubber's going to hit the road, when donald trump is going to be confronted and on a stage like a debate stage, say, a cnn debate stage, and asked, okay, be specific about your abortion the session because yes, on one hand, he takes credit for the dobbs decision. he takes credit for having appointed those judges he goes to groups like this and he makes wales ambiguous, but very specific remarks about abortion criticized this is joe biden on it, but then on in front of other audiences, he says, oh no, just leave it up to the state. well, at some point on some stage he's going to have to come clean an answer or is he not? not yet? very top. >> let's talk about talk about what is good to talk about in politics. what is good for politics and not, here's an interesting one, donald trump now wondering aloud about taylor swift is apparently coming from an excerpt from a forthcoming book about his work with with the producer of the apprentice. a conversation that took place as in november 2023, trump saying this about taylor swift. >> i think she's a liberal. >> she probably doesn't like trump, but she is liberal or is that just an act he asks, she she's legitimately liberal. it's not an act, it surprises me that a country star can be, can be successful, being liberal trump said before the author noted that's with crossover to pop music years ago, the crossover, she, she can, she can do whatever she wants. i would say is it good for politics to take on taylor swift i mean, this is this just goes into that bucket of weird and strange that we are seeing pop up almost every single day in this campaign. >> kate. but again, i think the more than donald trump

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class="nosel"> all russian and soviet dictators, their problem is they always think that they're the last line of defense. you are in power. you have the right to, if you decide, to destroy it so nobody else will get it. the united states doesn't even notice that the soviets are on edge. they didn't even put the soviet reaction into ronald reagan's presidential daily brief. [indistinct radio chatter] [narrator] before andropov can act, the able archer operation wraps up on schedule. [pilot] roger that. [narrator] andropov is finally persuaded that this really was just an exercise. this time. [tim] the united states didn't know to ratchet down the tension when it really mattered. that is an indicator of just the lack of understanding that the united states and the soviet union had of each other. but in a nuclear confrontation, lack of understanding can have catastrophic consequences when adversaries have nuclear weapons pointed at each other and don't understand each other. ♪ every day in every state across the country, our political system is bankrolled by an army of fund-raisers, pulling in millions of dollars a race. sometimes it looks like you might imagine-- knocking on doors, calling every name in the phone book, and emails--so many emails. but for all those little fish throwing $100 to their local race, it's the whales those campaign fund-raisers really need-- powerful, rich individuals and companies. and when they donate $25,000, $100,000, a million dollars, they want a favor...or 10. it should be obvious that's corrupt, but with a wink and a nod, political deals toe the bribery line every single day. and we may never have noticed that if a certain illinois governor hadn't flung back the curtain with an unrepentant ego, a political corruption crime spree, and a set of unprecedented audio recordings that shined a bright light on the inner workings of american political power. ladies and gentlemen, meet rod blagojevich. ♪ ♪ it was early morning, 'cause i used to get up every morning and turn on the 6:00 news, and, you know, like, you're kinda waking up, and then you're like, "well, wait, what?" [helicopter whirring] oh, sh--, they outside of blagojevich's house! they got cameras, they got cars, and then they march him out. and you're like, "that's our governor, joe." breaking news-- the illinois governor, rod blagojevich, charged with plotting to sell barack obama's former senate seat. tapper: remember this guy? he sure hopes you do. governor rod blagojevich went down in a blaze of infamy for one of the largest political corruption scandals of our time. the governor was allegedly trying to sell the illinois senate seat vacated by president-elect obama. in fact, part of the governor's sales pitch was that the seat still had that new obama smell. [audience laughter] appointing someone to the senate is a rare opportunity when the will of the people is swapped wholesale for a gubernatorial power trip. blagojevich had the sole authority to place whomever he wanted straight into the halls of the u.s. senate, and he was not shy about wanting a little something in return. with the fbi recording his phone calls, for the first time since nixon, the public was able to listen in on raw backroom politics, and there's nothing quite like hearing it from the horse's mouth. reporter: the criminal complaint quotes blagojevich as saying the senate seat "was a valuable thing. you just don't give it away for nothing." another quote-- "i've got this thing, and it's bleeping golden." [blagojevich speaking] "i've got this thing, and it's [bleep] golden." -yeah. -[audience laughter] "and i'm not just giving it up for [bleep] nothing." [laughter] was there a second [bleep] in there? tapper: racking up a staggering 24 criminal charges, governor blagojevich's actions essentially boiled down to four things-- extortion, bribery, corruption, and wire fraud. and it wasn't just about the senate seat. blagojevich was also found guilty of extorting a children's hospital. you can't write this stuff. he's an arrogant punk who thinks that, you know, he's bulletproof. well, he's not. he was convicted on 18 total charges and sentenced to 14 years, the longest sentence ever handed down to a governor. people loathed blagojevich for the way he politicked, but was what he did so blatantly criminal? 'cause the truth is that the line between what's illegal and what's allowable is much murkier than we'd like to think, and this is where the rod blagojevich story gets interesting. let me reassert to all of you once more that i am not guilty of any criminal wrongdoing. [camera shutter clicks] was rod a corrupt politician or just a politician operating in a corrupt system that still thrives to this day? so, governor, thanks for doing this. thank you. so you've been out of prison now for almost two years. a little over two years. and you're still very outspoken about how you feel like the case against you was unjust. there isn't really an argument about what you said. -right. -it's on tape. right. the question is whether it was illegal and whether it was morally wrong. look, if you're saying, "do we have a fund-raising system in america that you can arguing is legalized bribery?" i think there's truth to that. but did i do anything other than that standard that every other person in politics does, from president biden on down? i did the same as them and nothing worse. there is this real problem in american politics today where prosecutors are weaponizing themselves, criminalizing routine illegal practices in government politics, and i think it's wrong when they do it to bill clinton. it's wrong, i think, when they did it to president trump 'cause i have strong views on that, and i know it was wrong when they did it to me. okay, lot to unpack there. let's talk about the chicago and illinois system, because you're hardly the first governor in history, even in recent history, to--to go to prison. what's the situation here that causes this to happen? well, i think it's time-honored here, and there's a long history in chicago politics, illinois politics, where pretty much everybody gets rich. ah, chicago politics. it's like going to a pay pond when you go fishing. like, if you are a prosecutor, you cannot be in illinois and not get something. illinois is steeped in a rich history of political corruption that dates back a century to the prohibition era, when bootlegging gangsters such as al capone bought off politicians and police departments, keeping them drunk on power and...also just drunk. in rod's lifetime, illinois has developed a rap sheet that any mobster would be proud of-- more than 1,700 convictions for corruption, including nearly 30 chicago aldermen, eight stage legislators, two u.s. congressmen, and before rod came onto the scene, three governors. in an odd way, the very people who should hate the idea of corruption are kind of proud that this is al capone's illinois. chicago is a wink and a nod town. -it's a shot and a beer town. -[clink] lot of it has to do with family relationships, because a lot of the political leadership in chicago and illinois are family-related. there's the daley family, the madigans. all of these families sort of become part of this mafia. -yeah. -a political mafia, and they're the ones who make the rules. i didn't come from that. i had to marry into it. i met a girl on the 6th of march, 1988. she was wearing a red dress, and she happened to be the daughter of an old-fashioned chicago political war boss. and she's my wife patti. we fell in love. patti blagojevich is a loyal wife, she is a tough customer, and she's the daughter of dick mell. she's complicated. that budding relationship between those two is how rod goes from this nobody politically, finding a way to kind of imbed himself into one of these big political families in chicago. they have so much power. i don't think it was, you know, some great surprise that, like, you know, when it comes time to meet the parents, that dick mell was the father-in-law and the--the powerful city council chieftain. we're gonna try to work together to put this great city back together so that we're all part of it and we all feel free. dick mell was a guy who always had the voice in the backrooms. he was a power broker in that kind of chicago classic sense. before politics, it was a nice relationship, but for the most part, respectful. and then because i was in the family, and i was actually pretty good at helping her dad, local politics, knocking on doors and trying to get him votes, there was an opportunity to run for office. in rod blagojevich, mell could see a guy that eventually, if he does it right, "i could sort of pass the mantle toward." rod was an immediate hit with illinois voters, who sent him first to the state house in 1992 and then to the u.s. congress in 1996. dick mell says, "i can see you being governor." and i gotta be honest, i'm sure if i'm looking at it from dick mell's position, he's saying, "man, if i can elect this guy governor, i can run the whole state." reporter: the campaign for illinois governor has gotten pretty lively. you've got chicago congressman rod blagojevich. what's that name again? -bala-jo-vich. -reporter: bala-jo-vich, huh? -bala-jo-vich. -you sure? positive. tapper: during rod's 2002 governor's campaign, dick mell's membership in the old school chicago elite was a definite bonus, but it was rod's working class bonafides and people skills that did all the rest. coming from the family he did, he had a real working class chip on his shoulder, and his two heroes were elvis and richard nixon, both because they were guys who came from the wrong side of their tracks and fought their way up and were kind of disdained by the elites. in fact, if those two gritty 20th century icons fought their way into a single person, you might actually end up with rod blagojevich, for better and for worse. the rod blagojevich that i first met was youthful. he was energetic. he had this kind of mane of black hair that was super thick, and you could tell it was filled with hair product. the hair-- so iconic in its own right, that it became a comedy staple on every late night show. -the hair. -the hair. really, it looks like you're wearing a toupée that's also wearing a toupée. [audience laughter] he had a huge infatuation with elvis presley. ♪ his charisma was disarming. [cheers and applause] [amplified voice] thank you. thank you very much. [cheers, whistles, and applause] but the elvis of illinois was itching to lose his colonel parker, because despite the many benefits of dick mell's patronage, rod was still in his shadow. you know, he really became known as dick mell's son-in-law first. and i know he hated that. he didn't know how to both be his own man and not let dick mell foreshadow him. the only way for rod to survive outside of his father-in-law's machine was to create his own cash flow. so his first step was to hire two of chicago's most bare-knuckled political fund-raisers, chris kelly and tony rezko. chris kelly and tony rezko could generate big bucks. they were fund-raisers. they were donors. you know, let's just call 'em what they were. they were influence peddlers. they wound up being able to shake the bushes here and help rod raise money. they promised access and favors if blagojevich won, and they got results. where dick mell's good old boys would fetch $2,000 at a time, kelly and rezko would shake loose 50 grand. all that money plus rod's appeal to voters who had felt ignored by the entrenched chicago political dynasties-- well, it proved to be an unstoppable combination. he ran on some things that were uniquely important to black people. healthcare for kids is a good idea. when he said, "free rides for seniors on public transportation," that resonated with black people specifically. blagojevich became governor in 2003. -congratulations, governor. -thank you. may god bless you. [cheers and applause] how do you view your-- your time as governor apart from the scandals? how do i say this in a way where i don't sound like a guy without any humility? but i truly believe i was a great governor. i can't think of any governor in my life that did anything for anybody i knew that can walk around and say, "you know what? thank you, governor. my daughter had healthcare through you." free public transportation for seniors and the disabled? i did that 'cause they raised the sales tax, which hurts working people and poor people and seniors. with the legislature raising taxes that hit lower-income illinoisans hardest, and rod striking back with policies to offset that, it's no surprise that his populist agenda made him a lot of enemies amongst the big political families. to the people and the masses, he was on our team, and to the aristocracy and to the political elites, he was this guy that was taking their resources and giving 'em to the peasants, and so he became robin hood. i knew the reality that i'm gonna have resistance from the old guard, the old ward bosses, the madigans, daley to some extent, my father-in-law, and so the goal was raise money now and raise a lot of it so that you can afford to make enemies, and you can afford to lose support. right, but some of these people that you were-- that you were relying on like chris kelly were--were corrupt. -right? -turned out that chris had problems in his own personal business, and he was found guilty of those things. had nothing to do with me. but, like, a lot of the people in the world of fund-raising are not necessarily... -they are not. -...upstanding individuals. -no, they're not. -yeah. -no, they're not. what's the saying? "ignorance is not a defense"? tony rezco and chris kelly-- they started compiling this list of different entities that were state contractors, and they hit all those people up for money, probably with rod's assistance. "hey, you got a contract? you wanna keep it? or you want to get more? you gotta pony up." a lot of people in play have scalpel-like tendencies when they fund-raise, and rod was probably more of a meat cleaver. [beeping] -[telephone rings] -kelly and rezco were using government levers to squeeze anyone they could for a campaign contribution-- kickbacks like a cushy job or a fat contract, a little light extortion such as holding up teachers' funds. they had deep pockets to fill and a financial machine to do it. you can't trade official actions as a governor in exchange for campaign contributions or jobs. i mean, there is one simple word for that. it's called graft. graft is simply the use of political power and authority in exchange for personal gain. to state the obvious, appointing unqualified people to state positions because you wanna use the government as a vending machine for your political campaign-- that's completely illegal. the m.o. was to make money from every state petitioner possible, and small-town hospital ceo pam davis looked like just another easy mark. but in this case, the whole shakedown process is recorded by the hospital executive who was getting shaken down. [laughs] woman: he needs to reset your wire. [laughs] oh, god, another wire. sorry for, uh... -i don't care. -just in here. uh, the governor really wasn't on my radar, um, at all until i experienced an extortion attempt through one of his, um, colleagues. pam's hospital system wanted to build a new facility in plainfield, illinois. seems pretty straightforward, but there were red flags right away when she went to get government approval for the project. davis: in my case, the governor had appointed individuals to this board who had either contributed money to his campaign, so they bought their way on, or individuals that were controlled by the governor and other individuals and would approve only those projects where a kickback was going to be given. turns out the board was willing to approve the hospital. all she had to do was use builders and lenders who were in their pocket and pad the contract so the board could take... let's call it a transaction fee for their trouble. it became clear to me that this was a major extortion attempt, and i was furious. so i called the fbi. the feds set her up with a wire so they could listen in on her meetings with board members and get the dirt straight from the source. she'd be meeting with these players, and they would be basically laying out the whole scheme to her. davis: the contract would be padded, um, by roughly $10 million so that that money would go then to the various players. at one point, i decided, i wonder if this goes up to the governor, because the governor appoints these individuals to the various boards. the feds were wondering the same thing, and over the course of their investigation, their suspicions proved to be spot on. out of the public eye, rod's fund-raising goons, chris kelly and tony rezko, felt safe to strong-arm money from donors across illinois. but unbeknownst to them, the fbi was following their every move as part of a far-reaching corruption investigation into the blagojevich administration. as the money rolled in, their role in rod's administration only grew, which had his father-in-law, dick mell, feeling as though he'd been served divorce papers. as dick mell famously said, he got replaced by a trophy wife or trophy wives. those were the people who were getting the love that he should have gotten and wasn't getting. we all know that you got here because of dick mell. rod says, "i got my own team, and so don't talk to dick mell." not only does he not do what you wanna do, but he said, "don't talk to my boss. i'm the boss now." well, dick mell ain't feeling that, and dick mell is not the type to be like, "so, may i talk to you privately?" mell wears his heart on his sleeve, his anger on his sleeve. ...leave me out! he can love you today, and if he starts hating you tomorrow, he can, you know, pull the switch just like that. and mell becomes more and more resentful of being cast aside, and so that fueled this tension in that family to the point where it eventually exploded. [explosion] that explosion came in 2005, and though it may not have aired on reality tv, it was still inextricably linked to garbage. rod blagojevich closed down this landfill which dick mell was a part owner of. rod said that this was for environmental issues. tapper: what did he want you to do? leave it alone, and i had learned that it was operating in violation of the environmental laws. i had knowledge of that. uh, ultimately, i decided i had a duty, that i had to shut it down, and then he made some accusations that really unleashed the furies. dick mell called a press conference and basically accused rod blagojevich of selling board and commission seats within state government. reporter: mell has had a falling out with his son-in-law, the governor. this is a family at war. ♪ so your father-in-law, dick mell, accused chris kelly of selling political favors for campaign contributions of $25,000 to $50,000 at a time. tell me about where were you when you heard that he was leveling this accusation. i remember vividly. it was early january of 2005, and this was the consequence of me shutting down his landfill. the very next day, he called a press conference, and he was clever enough to accuse chris kelly, not directly me, but that's me. i don't think he envisioned that it would turn into something that would ultimately land me in prison, but i know he did this to hurt me politically and cause me problems with the fbi. tapper: mel's allegations backed rod into a corner, giving the fbi room to prosecute his inner circle, until in 2008, the feds secured a secret wiretap on the governor himself. feeling the squeeze, rod started looking for some kind of escape route, and then a golden opportunity landed right in his lap. at this defining moment, change has come to america. [cheers and applause] now that senator barack obama is president-elect barack obama, someone will have to take over his senate seat. this is the governor's decision. uh, it is not my decision. the criteria that i would have for my successor would be the same criteria that i'd have if i were a voter. senator obama becomes president obama. he resigns his senate seat. according to the law here in illinois, you as the governor get to name his replacement. now you're excited about this, and you say on tape, "i'd like to get the [bleep] out of here," and you're talking about options for yourself. does that mean, "i'd like to get the [bleep] out of here," you were sick of being governor? that's absolutely the things i was saying, of course, and i was looking at all kinds of options. so he attempted to trade obama's seat for a golden parachute. he begins to be heavily courted by all sorts of people who would love to be that u.s. senator. they saw something really valuable here-- a very valuable bargaining chip that could elevate his power in some way or-- or benefit them monetarily. when i said i wanted to get the eff out of here, it's because the fbi people and my persecutors were all over me, and it's the sort of thing, when that stuff's swirling around you, you know that stuff's swirling around you. -right. -and it's there. it's everywhere, and it-- and it was just very clear to me that they were determined to get me no matter what. i guess one question i have is knowing that they were looking at you, why did you talk about this stuff that way? look, i had 2,896 days in prison to ask myself a thousand questions, including that. but you know what? what's the alternative? i have all my staff and lawyers. we all go to saunas and get naked and talk to each other so nobody's got wires on 'em? -no, or-- -what's the alternative? or you just don't say anything, or you just say, like, "this seat is very important, and we wanna make sure the best person gets it. and separately, i am thinking that i'd like to not be governor of illinois anymore." well said. i don't make a habit of telling politicians how to avoid jail time, but here's the thing. being more cautious could have gotten rod everything he wanted and kept him out of prison, but caution is not really in rod's dna. [blagojevich speaking] [line disconnects] ♪ jackson: you know they taping you, so you can't say that out loud, right? breaking news-- the illinois governor charged with plotting to sell barack obama's former senate seat. reporter: illinois rod blagojevich was arrested tuesday morning by federal authorities and charged with corruption. dude. dude! dude. you know they trying to get you, dawg. but why? why? reporter: the day after being arrested on corruption charges, illinois governor rod blagojevich walked out of his house and headed back to work. -[camera shutter clicks] -tapper: all in all, rod blagojevich was facing 24 charges connected to four specific events-- the attempted sale of obama's senate seat, withholding legislation that would benefit a children's hospital and racetrack in an attempt to get political contributions, and the attempted extortion of a highway contractor. [amplified voice, chanting] 2, 3, 4, blago must go! i personally think he should at least step aside if not resign. my husband is an honest man, and i know that he's innocent. jackson: he thought that he had the moral high ground. i don't believe there's any cloud that hangs over me. -man: governor, governor-- -well, getting back to that, can we discuss your-- i think there's nothing but sunshine hanging over me. he didn't show any of the humility or anything. you just can't stick your finger in the eye of the federal government. let me reassert to all of you once more that i am not guilty of any criminal wrongdoing, that i'm confident that at the end of the day, i will be, uh, properly, uh, exonerated. [reporters speaking at once] i represented rod blagojevich in two of his criminal trials. i mean, he wanted to fight his case. he believed he was innocent, and he was working to that end to try and prove his innocence. anyone who believes that this was a selling of some senate seat doesn't understand politics. every single day in politics, that is what happens, is this horse-trading. and if you really listen to this in context, what you heard was talking with various people, getting annoyed, talking about nonsense, and then the end. nothing really that was ever acted on. later, rod blagojevich's lawyers would argue that what rod did specifically with the senate seat was no worse than when president eisenhower appointed earl warren as chief justice of the supreme court. back in 1952, dwight eisenhower's about to win the nomination to become the republican president. earl warren, the governor of california, is withholding the delegation's votes. governor warren tells eisenhower, "i'll deliver the delegation for you on one condition. i wanna be the next chief justice of the supreme court." ike, the great war hero, shakes hands, says, "you got a deal." he wins. one year later, earl warren is the chief justice of the united states supreme court. rod wanted a political appointment from obama, and for that, he was prepared to trade obama's old senate seat, which is actually legal. otherwise, eisenhower would have gone to jail, and americans would not have "liked ike." do you see yourself as somebody who was just trying to function in perhaps an inherently corrupt but legal system, and that theoretically almost any politician could be snagged the way you were? absolutely. of course i do, except i'm giving me higher marks. because i was using that money that--that-- and that power gave me to fight an established system that served itself on the backs of the people, and when you do that, you piss a lot of people off, and they wanna get rid of you. but do you think that you're earthier about it? like, more outspoken about it? well, i wasn't hiding any of it, but these--because it's legal, and that's how you govern. abraham lincoln was able to get the 13th amendment passed at congress, which ratified the emancipation proclamation, freeing slaves. he had to make political deals with members of congress to get the votes to pass it. -that's how you get things done. -you're not comparing yourself to abraham lincoln. -by no means. -okay. -and please say that. i'm not comparing myself to abraham lincoln. you're not-- or the emancipation proclamation. okay, right. he's a lot taller than me, and i never did anything as great as that, of course not. -but you're also not talking about the--i mean, the emancipation proclamation-- of course i'm not. governor blagojevich tried to sell the appointment to the senate seat vacated by president-elect obama. the conduct would make lincoln roll over in his grave. you're very critical of pat fitzgerald. yeah, he's an evil guy. he's a wicked guy. he's a scoundrel, and he deserves to get an ass kicking. you know? and he's a big coward. anyway, go ahead. sorry. well, i think he would take issue with everything you just said. you know, he has a reputation for being the choirboy, for being, you know, an upstanding, moral person. he sees himself as, "i am trying to uphold some basic standards for our politicians." that's how he views it. governor blagojevich has been arrested in the middle of what we can only describe as a political corruption crime spree. we had a political and public narrative that we had to overcome, and when the entire potential jury pool believes that your client is guilty before they've even heard the evidence, you're going into the trial like if it's a basketball game, you're losing 100 to nothing. or it's like if you're a governor, and you're getting impeached 114 to 1, and the lone vote in rod's favor-- his sister-in-law, deb mell. done from office and eager to prove he was not a crook, rod knew exactly where to plead his case. please welcome to the program governor rod blagojevich! [applause] you are a charming dude with the best set of hair i've ever [bleep] seen. [audience laughter] so i want this to be real. got some challenges ahead, but, uh, i'm gonna trust in the truth and as it says in the bible, "the truth shall set you free." rod blagojevich just...kept...talking. how are you? you wanna get on tv? come on in. i think he was able to warm himself a little bit with the public. better to be seen as a klutz than a crook. sure, everyone loves a good laugh, but oversaturating the talk show circuit may have had unintended consequences, as david letterman told rod when he appeared on the "late show" in 2009. the more you talked and the more you repeated your innocence, the more i said to myself, "oh, this guy's guilty." [laughter] so during the period from your impeachment to your trial and your sentencing, you did a lot of media appearances. what was the strategy behind that? my feeling was like, "look, i didn't do any of that stuff," and what does somebody do who's being lied about? but you have a tremendous desire to get out at the highest mountain and yell out, "i didn't do it." well, letterman said that the louder you yelled it, the more it made him think you were guilty. yeah. yeah, i mean, i didn't-- i didn't convince him, but, uh, i think i convinced donald trump. that's why i got invited on "celebrity apprentice," right? i have great respect for your tenacity, for the fact that you just don't give up. but, rod...you're fired. ♪ what i saw over the course of rod's career was a guy who started off as kind of a charming rogue and a guy who really did give voice to concerns that people had to someone who became almost a parody of himself. and by the time that trial came around, he really was his own worst enemy. see you in court. he thought that the court of public opinion could save him, but he had disturbed forces that decided, "it was a wrap for you, dude." don't poke the feds, fam. just don't do it. man: blago, can i get your autograph? reporter: at verdict today, in a notorious case that federal prosecutors did not want to hear, rod blagojevich was convicted today on only one count. -see you guys! -man: way to go, baby! tapper: the jury was hung on all but one of the charges against blagojevich, and without unanimous consent, the result was a mistrial on the remaining 23 charges. the jury, like a lot of people to this day, just could not agree on whether what he'd done was actually illegal. in that first trial, the jury deadlocked on everything except for lying to the fbi. -right. you were convicted of lying to the fbi. -right. -do you acknowledge that you lied to the fbi? -no. no. i don't. i'll tell you about that. it was about how much of your associates that were fund-raising for you, the degree to which you knew what you were doing. yeah, it was-- the issue was i said, i didn't, as a practice, track fund-raising. and who got contracts? i didn't. i didn't look into who got contracts. i wasn't interested in that. i had 27,000 contributors. i wasn't tracking who gave me money, who got what. the first trial was too confusing for the jury, and they had a lot of paper documents. it was a lot of witness testimony. man: governor, are you anxious for this to begin? i feel great. absolutely. what the government did in the second trial is they pared down their--their case, and they believed that everything was in the tapes and they needed to make this trial a lot simpler. [blagojevich speaking] he was swearing a lot... ...and upset and not appreciative of the position that he had. and i think that was more influential in the jury's decision than-- than anything. it made him look bad. breaking news right now-- the jury has reached a decision, convicting blagojevich on 17 counts of corruption. -reporter: wire fraud. -bribery. blitzer: attempted extortion. solicitation of a bribe. blitzer: racketeering. conspiracy to commit bribery and conspiracy to commit extortion. rod blagojevich was convicted on almost all counts and sentenced to 14 years. patti and i are obviously very disappointed, uh, in the outcome. i, frankly, am--am stunned. when did you realize, "oh, shit, i might actually be going to prison"? -from the beginning. -really? -i knew i was a dead man. -really? -yeah. -why? 'cause they have so much power and resources, and i, you know, wasn't really surprised when i got 14 years. the justification for the judge was, "you treated this like a golden glove boxing match," but those corrupt liars are lucky dueling is outlawed, 'cause i'd have challenged them to a duel. rapists and murderers get so much less time? that's why this system is so wrong and so broken. let me offer you an alternate theory. sure. my alternate theory is that the entire system of justice that we have in this country depends on prosecutors and police who are incentivized to get convictions. -mm-hmm. -period. what do you think of that? well, i think you're almost right. [laughs] i never took a penny. no one says i did. i keep saying that 'cause that's so important to me. i don't want people to think that i was some-- one of these corrupt politicians that was taking cash. tapper: but remember, even though he never actually got that envelope full of money, that was because the feds closed in before the senate deal was done. the offers being considered, campaign contributions or a lucrative job in a nonprofit, the fact of accepting them-- that would have been simply illegal, hence, the charge of conspiracy to commit bribery, which he was definitely guilty of. rod's argument is no cash changed hands, but prior to that, there had been plenty of money changing hands. there's ample evidence these government positions, these government contracts-- they were effectively for sale. it does not matter if rod blagojevich actually won the argument and got the money or the donations he was seeking. it's the ask. if something goofs it up, but the burglary or robbery's interrupted, it doesn't make it less of an intended burglary or robbery, right? he had his day in court. that 14 years was what the system gave him. so you went to prison for almost eight years? 2,896 days. and let me tell ya what gets you through prison when you have to face something like that. it's love and it's faith-- love for my daughters and my wife. you know, when i was arrested, within days, the vegas oddsmakers had it 9 to 1 that she was leaving. so in that sense, i've been so lucky and blessed. after he was sent to prison, patti proclaimed his innocence, and she did try and go to any leader that she could find to have him either pardoned or commuted. and when all else failed, patti blagojevich knew exactly who to appeal to next. after rod goes to prison, patti was essential in keeping their life together. more than anything else, maybe, she got in donald trump's ear. trump had a connection with blagojevich 'cause rod was on "the apprentice," and patti blagojevich was on fox news every day. you know, we know that president trump is a kind man, and he's compassionate. he's always been kind to my family. and when you speak on fox news, you have a direct connection with donald trump. today the president sprung from prison former illinois governor rod blagojevich, who was convicted after attempting his own quid pro quo. yes, uh, we have commuted the sentence of rod. i watched his wife on television. quote, um, "i watched his wife on television..." -yes. -end quote. how did--how did that happen? i think he just saw--he-- he would tell me he liked the fact that i was fighting back. i remember him saying something like, uh, "you know, i have friends that go through what you're going through, and they're in a corner. they can't even move, and you're out there throwing punches." i think he liked that. i'm so grateful to him. sometimes things happen in life where god intervenes in the most unbelievable ways. trump, blagojevich, fox news? i'm not sure how much god played a role in any of this. when rod came home from prison after eight years, his daughters had grown up. how are your relationships with them? they're good. i'm-- i'm getting to know them. our family was broken for a long time. the difficulties that i talked about with my father-in-law, those were heartbreaking, because in spite of everything, i love him, and he's been good to me in so many ways. and, uh, you know, it's been a tough road for my wife. our lives could have been so much simpler, so much better. understandably, rod looks back on the time away from his family with regret, not for what he did, of course, but that he was sent to prison in the first place. but what else would you expect from rod? i am a political prisoner. i was put in prison for practicing politics. wait a minute. you're a political prisoner? nelson mandela was a political prisoner. political prisoners have no due process. i was thrown in prison and spent nearly eight years in prison for practicing politics, for seeking campaign contributions without a quid pro quo. you do have an obligation to at least admit what you did wrong, and you refuse to do that, and you're creating a whole new alternate universe of facts, and that may be big in politics today, but it's still, frankly, just bullshit. a reporter, uh, asked you if you wanted to say sorry to the people of illinois, and you said, "sorry for what?" -do you still feel that way? -very much so. i've done a lot wrong. criminal? none. you and your defenders argue that the persecution, prosecution of you is about the criminalization of politics. in other words, there is horse-trading that goes on in politics. "you do me this favor. i'll do you this favor," and that's all you were doing, and that it's legal, but they made it out to be illegal. well, first of all, it's not illegal. now you can argue whether we should improve our laws. that's a valid thing. i would think there's a lot of room to improve the fund-raising laws, but that's not illegal at all, and it's a common practice. now ultimately, after i've been in prison for four years, the appellate court reverses that big lie of the sale of the senate seat, and they said it's routine political logrolling. and look, that's partially true. the court did vacate the conviction related to obama's senate seat, but they never said he did nothing wrong. the court said there was a jury instruction issue, and they upheld the remaining 13 counts. so contrary to his claim, he has not been exonerated. and for the love of elvis, we can only hope that rod's crimes are not routine. if there is a big lie, it's that he's a victim, especially since every other charge was upheld, including the extortion of a children's hospital. gandhi, he ain't. this isn't some sort of mystery, that, "gosh, i didn't know. i had no idea. it's so gray." really? i think most of us have some gut sense of when we're beginning to get in trouble. i don't believe blagojevich has ever done any reflection on right and wrong. extorting a hospital-- never occurred to him that that might harm the citizens that he was elected to protect. he--he has no ability to look at anything but himself. that's it. that's it. what's the worst thing that can be said about you that's accurate in your view, other than you were stupid to say that stuff? sure. look, i've been accused of being a narcissist. i might plead to a misdemeanor on that, okay? um, i think i-- my judgment of some people was way off. i think i should have been a lot more vigilant and see some of the warning signs. i knew they were aggressively out there raising money, and i didn't slow it down because i wanted to raise the campaign money. i could have been more vigilant on that in retrospect. ♪ close, but no cigar. whether or not rod trusted the wrong people, he set them loose on illinois because they brought him the most money. whether the rules on political fund-raising are flimsy guardrails at best,

Transcripts For CNN Secrets Spies A Nuclear Game 20240609

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goodnight the listeners as it were the kgb, who had pulled the surveillance equipment lived on the floor above us. >> and in moscow and you knew they were then on the whole ones just intuitive i mean, i remember my wife and i had some kind of argument about where we could take the children for a weekend picnic in another and manly were, hey, i addressed the silina said, well, you up there, which we agree. >> and to my amazement, within about two or three hours, somebody had slipped in a note under our front door saying, well, you had agreed on costco vogue or cheerios over whatever was erase some some picnic place i felt that was a kgb surveillance who had a good sense of humor actually this is the unseen story of the cold war but not by politicians that by secret agents there was complete misunderstanding on either side. it's very difficult to determine whom you can trust as the soviet union faces off with the west in the early 1980s to spies play a dangerous game from the shadows they seek to win the upper hand while the world stands on the brink of nuclear war these are their stories in their own words testimony piece together from interviews over the years after 11 years of sigurd worth maybe i developed paranoia and never before heard recordings molten five go up adapting mod getter has been in service i understand the two nadh while catch-all that reveal the deadly intrigues at the heart of the battle between east and west look this is a war a secret war meant at tool was a time when people in soviet union's still believe reality of nuclear war confrontation between west and east was very serious sometimes it was not only iron curtains, it was like iron sphere this is a dangerous moment for the soviet union. >> almost 40 years into the cold war their economy is overstretched. the military entrenched in afghanistan, and support for communism in decline. the soviet leadership led by leonid brezhnev stockpiles nuclear arms in a show of strength against the west but there's a much subtler weapon to secret intelligence yuri andropov is the head of the soviet intelligence service. the kgb kgb have been running the rational life for years under opa was getting more and more convinced of the menacing was he was a full-blown kgb person who thought that it's either us or them. and basically better be your and drop-off concludes that the superpowers are on the verge of a nuclear war and so he begins a process of collecting information there would be indicators of the approach of nuclear war. this running tally of signs is called operation riyadh and every time andropov gets new intelligence, he takes note there was a chart four american said this the breadths said that somebody was caught here and the plane cross that border and i think and then drop up his mind. >> he was absolutely convinced nuclear confrontation is coming once this chart is full, andropov is convinced the soviet union should strive and so he uses every resource to keep close watch on his adversaries. >> being a skilled intelligence officer a spike the life was exciting it for thrilling it was romantic i was thrilled by being involved in specific kgb operation. >> so like a dead letter boxes or leg, or dsk are very high qualification intelligence officer he was born in a family working for kgb. his brother working for kgb i think was a good example of soviet intelligence service so get tenure on august keen to put agent or the rounds of all the kgb never sent abroad unmarried man there was married to my second wife later as we helped to children i wanted to participate some daring operation i wanted to get a broad as soon as possible in 1982, the kgb sends gordy fc to the uk disguising his identity as a soviet diplomat his posting comes at a tense time relations between east and west are at a knife's edge in december of 1979, the soviets had invaded afghanistan. >> soviet allies in central america. we're making gains nicaragua and we're trying to make gains in el salvador. meanwhile, on africa soviet allies were fighting in angola. and we're making new friends in other parts of sub-saharan africa. this picture seemed to contradict soviet commitment to better relations with the united states why are they behaving this way? >> if they really want better relations with us? >> why are they on the march in what was then called the third world? but we now call the global south there's a political standoff, and neither side shows any signs of backing down the cold war was a view of the world where you had a communist, totalitarian empire run out of moscow. and western countries led by the united states, but including western europe and britain, facing off against each other you have the soviet union, which is at this point a i'll minute superpower, nuclear leader, neck and neck with united states in terms of innovation and development but at the core their ideologies as we know, are completely different democracy versus communism what began as an ideological conflict has escalated into a terrifying nuclear arms race. and neither side wants to appear weak the soviet union had something like 33,000 nuclear weapons. >> we had something like 22,000 way too many and way too scary. >> the cold war was an existential struggle over the future of world civilization and that's what makes this moment in history so dangerous is you have both sides completely misunderstanding both the power of their adversary and the intentions of their adversaries assignments are going off. the tornado here you cannot it's one you cannot outrun it it really is a terrifying experience. >> it is a stuff of nightmares. >> you just hear it and feel it is o'brien. >> i'm thinking i'm going to die and i thought that was it. >> along with earth, with liev schreiber tomorrow at nine on cnn imagine a future where plastic is not wasted. but instead remade over and over into the things that keep our food fresher our family safer and our planet cleaner to help us 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trump via s a starch anti-communist, ronald reagan crusades against everything the soviet union stands for and he's not alone president reagan's vast limousine has just drawn up here outside the normal porch of income from buckingham palace there's going to be the first time that an american president has addressed both houses of parliament here in westminster run reagan, that maggie thatcher in was amazed that they thought alike right mr. >> thatcher really did, despite her uptight bearing and her hairdo really loved to be row with or i'll reagan, there's certain magnetism, there's certainly laurie to him and she she felt that tingling i don't want chancellor speaking for all americans. >> i want to say very much at home we feel in your house ronald reagan said that soviet communism will lie, cheat still to advance its mission around the world. that was the idea that ronald reagan had to delegitimized the soviet union. the decay of the soviet experiment should come as no surprise to us. we see totalitarian forces in the world who seek subversion and conflict around the globe to further their barbarous assault on the human spirit even before he became president ronald reagan said the cold war will end. >> and i know how it's going to end we win, they lose and he's about to ramp up the rhetoric even further the march of freedom and democracy will leave marxism-leninism on the asieh history. >> as it has left other trnas, which stifle the freedom and muzzle the self-expression of the people ronald reagan is rallying the troops. is rallying the nato alone, trying to send a signal that the united states should be respected and even fear the america of the 1970s, which was licking its wounds after losing the vietnam war. >> that's over. we're back, we're strong, and we should be fear making america great again, if you will. we're going to win in the end. we will outlast them people like me, hardliners stopped. >> that was terrific most of the people in attendance of the speech didn't think it was to serve him think at all why? because he was too radical it did cause a reaction so that speech, it was offensive and was actually offensive to a lot of people. >> a lot of people i remember saying while the who the hell are you to? to tell us that we are be people who had streaked that fed into the sense in moscow that ron reagan was account boy and he intended to use nuclear weapons against the soviet union in a war that is really thought psychologically, it is think about how dangerous that is closer cooperation between the uk and the us is exactly what andropov fears and in this cold war, andropov looks to his agents for proof what intelligence did in those days where he gave us details of the overall picture we could follow the number of intercontinental ballistic missiles that they had deployed. >> we could follow the number of new submarines who could follow the number of new tanks you could follow all these things that you could see from the satellite and we could hear about rumblings from poland or texas czechoslovakia hungary, or bulgaria are the unit to russia this is very typical. one of my wife and my arms eating ice cream in the snow i've cited the bolshoi that's i was head of sas station in moscow in 19, early 1980s, the civil servants old signatures of official secrets act and set what's not in the public domain is rarely not for discussion by bias station and moscow was quite a small one. the whole apparatus of control and surveillance is very sophisticated than they used to paint radioactive paint on the bottom of our cars i know trackers we were thin on the ground, rarely it is extremely hard for outsiders to discover anything significant about the soviet political intentions while british agents seek a foothold in moscow in london, all or gordy ascii joins his fellow spies london was one of the major cities where serwer bianna is going on the kgb quarters and london, it's called station because you get station it's located in the russia membership that london job was extremely advantageous for gerd gsk it means that he was trusted and that he was decent cooperative, and it was good for him at the kgb station in london, there are two agents above gordy ascii in the hierarchy one of them is the kgb station chief are cati good general beep, fat he was not able to speak good english so he could not do anything. >> he could not write. he only was able to sign guard duty. sql was supposed to spend most of his time nine to five in the embassy doing she's official job being a diplomat and then during the evening on weekends, she became a spy their job was to get british secrets especially sucrose concerning britain's foreign policy gardi ascii is under pressure to send intelligence to moscow that validates operation rayon at the same time, he's had to hide the fact that he is a kgb spy from the british in their eyes, he's just a diplomat if he blows his cover or fails to feed the soviet leadership 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politics that dictates the key moves in the cold war margaret thatcher was fascinated by intelligence part of it was the glamour but also she'd liked to collect as much information as possible and intelligence was one of the sources when the government, there was a special box in number ten in which there would have been regular reports of anything which became known about soviets activity in uk mi6 has a very big secret. >> they're keeping from the prime minister in britain. >> i was supposed to be just an official civilian official of the soviet state. >> but zervos, a number of secrets in my life i was a kgb spy, spying against britain but he isn't just a kgb spy pretending to be a soviet diplomat when the telephone call to business intelligence service that's what you hear welcome. orleck, london. we've been waiting for you i'll let go ascii is a double agent i became secret agent for the british intelligence in the 60s and 70s, gordy fc was based in denmark as a loyal and dependable kgb agent and it's there that he begins to see things in a different light. a turning point for him was that the soviet decision to crush the prague spring and attempted liberalizing the soviet style regime in czechoslovakia in 1968 gardi f ski katz had an internal personal shift he recognizes the inherent repressive snus of the soviet system, which as a kgb officer, he sworn to defend this is an ideological decision for him if this photo government or security services realized that i was spying for britain, i would have been dead it is not betraying. >> my country, russia i hated the communist system. i wanted to fight against it i simply would have regarded myself as not an honest person. >> if i wouldn't be fighting against that system there are some things that i really cannot going to i know you'll understand the nature of what we're talking about. when all lag arrived in london in 1982 it was invaluable to have the views of an insider in the russian embassy in london, who use the meaning of everything that was happening only eight people in the country know about this highly sensitive operation at a highly sensitive time it would be very, very few people anywhere you about all you. >> don't want anybody at any stage. >> so betrays a source because accidents happen usually things are very, very carefully contained only people who need to know as a great principal to know you have to keep completely tight to a very few people especially extended 9:00 news with michael president brezhnev, ruler of russia for nearly two decades is dead. so the soviet people tonight, five days of mourning begin the leaders who've grown old in his shadow, the chance of ultimate power who will take over administration officials so there will be no change in us foreign policy toward the soviets until there is a change in soviet policy the soviet union finds reagan's aggressive tone not just insulting but an existential threat right now, the last thing the communist party 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according to western diplomats here he's diplomats worried that new communist party chief yuri andropov may have had to pledge a tough anti washington line and big weapons buildup to win military support. they would like the american delegation to meet with andropov after the funeral monday, but have no assurance the meeting will be arraigned here was a guy who came out of the soviet intelligence community you had the feeling during and drop-offs period that, you know, things were really inert. >> and the old generation was still still running the country my family was simply terrified. a great grandfather was crews shift. it was said the general secretary of the communist party of the soviet union khrushchev dismantled or as much as he could, he dismantle the kgb after stalin's death. so i'm drop-off as my mother was convinced, was going to come back at us and the family with a vengeance. and there was even a talk that the gulags are going to be reinstated he is going to push forward certain policies including international policies as leader of the soviet union. andropov takes his operation rayon charts from the kgb back rooms to the heart of soviet policy you're andropov is a very conspiratorial figure. he is convinced that the united states is seeking domination over the soviets and ultimately a nuclear victory and then so the soviet union has to be completely and utterly prepared to push that button all eyes are now on reagan in this uncharted new landscape reagan was adamant that he is not going to deal with this red, red and for and rope of reagan, was that cow boy who's going to destroy the soviet union because he was playing an oldest films like john wayne reagan, and drop him always found each other neither of them would be a cough this was moment when we were really scared of the nuclear war that really stayed with me as the scariest time that i've ever experienced in my life. and the soviet union the opposing sides and the cold war could not be further apart britain's double agent is now vital to understanding the level of andropov his paranoia he's got access to the operations being were on against the united kingdom by intelligence officers in the embassy and he's got a knowledge of the politics of moscow god, yes, get of course was able to brief his handlers on the gossip he knows a lot of people in the system and therefore, he's got this unrivaled insight into how decisions are taken, how they think in the senior reaches of the politburo he would be able to leave the embassy on a regular basis and to a safe house where he would be debriefed and if he could smuggle documents out of the embassy so much the better and the b arrangements for copying those in the safe house gordy? yes. skis actions make him so valuable. mi6 decides to inform ten downing street in? december. 1982 margaret thatcher is told that a highly placed kgb spy now works as a double agent for the british but she isn't told his name two months later, gordy ascii provides crucial intelligence operation. reihan is now official soviet policy what the soviets didn't understand is that there was a possibility that operation reihan could be a self-fulfilling prophecy operation reihan was perfect example of starting with a conclusion and then looking for justification for that conclusion. >> agents were asked are the americans and the british on the verge of nuclear war they were asked, proved to us find the evidence that they are, so that we're be ready for it. >> and that was the fundamental flaw with operation rayon we were instructed to watch for signs of special activities greetings within particularly by night. blitz, windows of the means of defense, and 40 law office. the american embassy, wrecking overtime until early morning hours what you like that jeff skate really brought was an insight, understanding of what operation rayon was really about it we're showing a paranoia but the paranoia was real asu, they very seeing reports the number of clauses was slowly, slowly growing visuals lucky the point, yes they're preparing when two sides don't know one another, they both misread signs you can see how dreadful things can happen by that kind of misunderstanding gardi of skis intel on the deepening soviet paranoia is so vital to the british that they must conceal their source even from the american the reason the british did not want the americans to know who gordy xq was, was the more people who know the name of a source the more imperiled the source becomes. >> reagan doesn't have the luxury of the brits inside knowledge. he feels the most effective approach is to scare the soviets into backing down he takes a brazen and terrifying new stands cnn special event. >> it's time to celebrate freedom progress and the trail blazers. he paved the way this is a festive day for all black americans. we still have a lot of work to do joins cnn's victor blackwell for a native interviews and performance is by john legend smoke robinson 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the only morality they recognize is that which will further their cause, which is world revolution ronald reagan felt that there was a tendency in the world to equate the two sides they're both to be blamed for the cold war. they're both to be blamed for all these nuclear weapons. there's an moral equivalence between the two. >> ronald reagan was saying there's no moral could lead us, pray for the salvation of all of those who live in that totalitarian darkness. they are the focus of evil in the modern world everybody suggest this was, and how inflammatory this was. people worried that this cowboy from the west was irresponsible and he could blow us all on reagan's approach is to aggressively arm europe as a way to force the soviets to back down the whole idea of whether you were taught tough or soft on communism was still very much part of our political landscape. he decided to assure the right wing of the republican party that he was tough on communism. and i was dismayed because what is the strategy to call somebody? the global center of evil, if you insult people publicly, you'll have a hard time getting cooperation out of them. >> reagan also promotes a defense system nicknamed star wars these space lasers would identify and prevent incoming nuclear missiles its critics ridiculed it as unrealistic but the prospect of taking the nuclear arms race to space terrifies andropov there's the idea that we need to be very strong the only way to deter the soviet union from any kind of regression is to show them that they cannot win. and anything second thing that was going on was that we're going to increase our defense spending quite a bit in the soviet unique can't do that. they can't keep up with us. >> so we're going to spend them into oblivion. as reagan ramps up his rhetoric, a drama unfolds on the other side of the world that threatens to push the cold war over the edge governments around the world have expressed indignation over the soviet union's action and shooting down a korean jumbo jet over the cluster and pacific. >> the un security council will take up that incident later today. that tragedy later today, it's now reported that at least 50 of the 269 people on that jet were americans. the search goes on for the planes wreckage the crisis of our flight deck below seven just about half were korean, japanese, and taiwanese the free world was outraged once it's no exaggeration to say that western governments have been stunned and evening little frightened what's the news comes at a soviet had shut down the korean airliner, ronald reagan mediately goes on national television and uses every dirty word for their behavior that he can find. >> the source what can be said about soviet credibility when they so flagrantly lie about such a heinous act the soviet union becomes very defensive, very quiet, and makes no apologies at all. the military in moscow explain the korean jumbo was spying. so our missiles brought it down hi, my name's is robert mental cable news network. wondering if you will be having any type of statement not to say about the carolinas, not thank expect one soon. so that drove people in the west, especially conservatives like me, to think, boy, they are even worse than we thought they were. >> the incident raises the frightening thought that the finger on the soviet nuclear trigger could be as unstable as the individual who gave the order to shoot down the korean airliner it sparks protests and condemnation around the world i mean, there was really significant fear that this was going to lead to something big and extremely, extremely dangerous when the competition is a nuclear competition spying is extraordinarily important the russians were trying to spy on us we were spying on them it's very difficult to determine whom you can trust i was telling frank everything got that a control this is a war. the secret was secrets and spies, a nuclear game. >> sunday at ten on cnn, apartments.com. let's any 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forces in europe for an attack from the soviet union. but the way it was done was not normal at all the nuclear component of the exercise was hyped up the idea of it was make this as realistic as you could possibly make it the western powers show an almost naive ignorance of how this huge training exercise will be received in the ussr for andropov, it looks like his operation rayon prophecy is coming true they really see much more cables payable agile i knew, it wasn't dramatic moment i knew moscow was nervous and it came i'm at a very sensitive moment for moscow that it had been humiliated on the global stage following the downing of that jet in particular. >> so every move was interpreted probably to a larger degree than it should have. >> b52 bombers with nuclear capabilities now arrive at the us airbase in germany andropov watches everything unfold from his hospital bed the soviet people are unaware of their leaders declining health as he keeps his hands firmly on the reins of power they're all puffy is dying, but he's clutching that red button. she really thinks if it's not him, who else he's in charge the soviet scrambled to respond nuclear submarines are primed and ready soviet troops are put on a 15 combat standby oh, ola go dfc probably was the one person who could convey to western sources what was going on inside the mind of soviet leadership at the time of able archer ascii helps his handlers realize that they're dealing with sheer paranoia at the hands at the top leadership in the soviet union. >> now unfortunately, it didn't come in time enough for this exercise to be canceled the exercise continues oblivious that a nuclear confrontation is now just a phone call away. but it's again, but i mean, it but it's not a game too. and i think what happened is that everything got out of control. this is just something that people can't comprehend that human error could bring the end of the world people just can't absorb that ultimately, you i kind of have this mid udacity. >> you believe in you own propaganda of your own greatness. you're in the control of the state all russian and soviet dictator's the problem is they always think that the, the last line of defense you are in power you have the right to if you decide to destroy it. so nobody else forget the united states doesn't even notice that the soviet der, on edge. they didn't even put the soviet reaction into ronald reagan's presidential daily brief before andropov can act, the able archer operation wraps up on schedule andropov is finally persuaded he that this really was just an exercise. this time life contribution was explained that this is dangerous you'll playing with fire the liver simply daughter the stands and intelligence. >> old russian leaders they able archer exercise world came very close to nuclear war the united states didn't know the ratchet down the tension when it really matter that is an indicator of just the lack of understanding that the united states and the soviet union headed each other. >> but in a nuclear confrontation, lack of understanding can have catastrophic consequences when adversaries have nuclear weapons pote

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and both leaders are expected to give statements to the press before macron welcomes the president. and the first lady to the famous musee d'orsay for a statement dinner. the close ties between the u.s. and france will be on full display today as biden continues to push his message of saving democracy and freedom following his d-day anniversary speech friday cnn senior white house correspondent kayla tausche is live and paris this morning. hello, kayla. we are expecting to see the president at the moment for this welcome ceremony. a walk us through what we will see today well, hello, or should we say bones zhou are from paris, amara today after a point in few days in normandy, the red carpet is now being rolled out in paris where president biden and president macron will now engage in a series of events to deepen the collapse variation between the two countries on a number of fronts, you will see them momentarily arriving at the arctic triomphe with local school children standing by them, they will travel to the elysee palace where they will have a working lunch. >> the two liters there are expected to discuss two issues. in particular in great detail, the ongoing wars in gaza, where president macron crown has broken with president biden and the ongoing war in ukraine where president macron here in europe has taken something of a leadership position, trying to galvanize the rest of europe to spend more on their collective defenses to produce more, of manufacture, more domestic weapons. in their own countries rather then outsource them and potentially have depleted supplies if there is a potential that war moves past ukraine into europe that is going to be one of the discussions that the two liters have today. and how does support the war in ukraine for the long haul, they're going to be preparing essentially joint positions to go into the g77 but next week and the natives summit that will happen next month. we're also expecting them to discuss climate change, artificial intelligence, and other matters of commercial importance at that state dinner tonight, which has been moved to the elysee palace from the musee d'orsay. we expect to luminaries from the business and diplomatic role to be on hand for president macron to fed president biden and a relationship that has deepened over the course of president biden's terms. the two leaders had a very high-profile falling out early in biden's term when he chose to essentially sign up with australia and the united kingdom to partner on the production of nuclear submarines for the indo-pacific where eight french contractor had previously been partnered to build some of those submarines. they were essentially excluded from that partnership and it took several months to bridge that rift now, after sharing a bond over several common goals, common themes, common ideals, the need to defend europe, the need to secure for europe, and the need to essentially protect the west and western ideology. they have grown much closer, but certainly president macron is keen to hear about president biden's prospects for reelection and whether as president biden has said, america is still back, amara i'll take, it kayla tausche, force there in paris. thank you very much, president biden commemorated the 80th anniversary of d-day with a speech in normandy. biden drew on the heroism of the us army rangers who scaled the cliffs of pointe-du-hoc on d-day in 1944 to urge americans to think for this either of the fight for democracy as a cause greater than themselves. and cautioned against isolationism not just to honor those who showed such a remarkable bravery on that day, june 6, 1944. it's listen to the echoes of their voices to hear them because they are summing us. and are summing us now. they ask us what will we do? they're not asking us to scale these cliffs, but they're asking us to stay true to what america stands for they're not asking us to give or risk our lives. but they are asking us to care for others and our country more than ourselves they're not asking us do their job they're asking us to do our job to protect freedom in our time, to defend democracy, to stand up aggression abroad. and at home be part of something bigger than ourselves. >> joining us now is daniel littmann, white house correspondent for politico. good morning to you, daniel. thanks. good morning for being with us. >> so let's talk about that speech that we heard from biden up on that famed clifftop obviously, there was some echoes of reagan's address at that same location in 1984 we heard biden there make his case for america's leadership in the world, but he also had a political pitch for those of us here at home. what did you make of what he had to say though he did not mention trump specifically? yeah, he was never going to mention donald trump by name. that would be a big headline because that would be a qbi accused of politicizing this historic memorial to these fall heroes and the people who actually were successful in storming the beaches. and so he has to walk a fine line between reminding americans and the world of democracies challenges today it's one of the top issues on the ballot in terms of what people of both sides think without making it too political and he can't make his entire election pitch all about democracy, given that a lot of americans face more common concerns about pain for bills paying for food and gas. and so they're not going about their lives thinking about democracy all day long. >> what do you think the white house is hoping will come up today's state visit with the french president well i think, the white house wants to send a message that the u.s. and france are aligned totally on ukraine. tried to see if they can move the ball forward in getting piece in gaza and israel. and i think they want also remind americans of the problem progress that they've accomplished in terms of pushing back russia from ukraine. they've had they have rare. this is one of their top foreign policy victories. but it's still uncertain and trump has said he is kind of less in zelensky's corner and people on the right are very skeptical of having a very drawn-out war and it's taken a long time to get weapons back to ukraine. and so they've had to they've had some tough spots in terms of zelenskyy is aides were saying, hey, one speech in normandy is not going to to help us out too much. we need weapons, we need training for pilots. >> if you look, just over the past several months, of course, macron and biden have been aligned when it comes to foreign policy, when it comes to the big picture with ukraine and obviously trying to prevent putin from expanding his empire. and of course the war in israel. but macron has taken a different approach and the way he thinks the western world should defend ukraine and also the way that he has condemned israel more publicly. what will you be looking for when it comes to their joint statement? >> well, they usually work these things out, weighing advance and there's not gonna be that much daylight between the two liters on major themes, the u.s. france or are huge allies. but i'm going to what's interesting is that macron's team wanted a press conference joint press conference with biden. they turned that down. there is issues about an logistical issues they've also had disagreements about china, france, macron has been more warm towards president xi and france has wants to maintain their commercial relationship with china more than the u.s. and i expect that to be talked about a little bit in their joint statement and in their private meeting what about their political calculations as both leaders meet today, i mean, they're both suffering low approval ratings, right? >> so if you could just give us context on both their perspectives as they have this meeting well, most people don't vote based on foreign policy or a meeting with a foreign leader, not as many french americans who are looking at this relationship, but i think that macron and many european leaders are afraid about biden's political standing they don't want to deal with donald trump one more this, is someone who has said to vladimir putin, you can do whatever the hell you want. >> if those, if countries are not paying their nato dues and so that is something that is macron can't endorse biden, but he's giving him a bear hug during an election year and this is biden's only state visit abroad during the seizure. and so of course it has good timing. but europe is afraid that it's going to get abandoned by trump, who is going to be more isolationist if he wins reelection, what is significant that you have president biden on this state visit during a very busy election year, daniel let me get to see you as always. thank you. >> will continue to monitor events in paris and take you back there, live in just a moment. we're waiting president biden and first lady dr. jill biden, to depart. there in route to the aac to 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israel's war with hamas today, benny gantz, a key member of the israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu's war cabinet is expected to announce whether he will go through with his vow to leave the israeli government at a popular former defense minister said last month that he and his national unity the party would resign unless netanyahu came up with a plan for gaza's postwar future as well as bringing home the hostages. >> cnn has been wiedemann is an beirut for us and ben today was gantz's deadline for a naval plan do we have any idea if he may have changed his mind about resigning amara before we get to the question of benny gantz's political future, we're receiving reports from gaza that there's a major israeli military operation in the central part of the gaza strip focused on the nuseirat refugee camp and bidded bella were told that the main hospital they're the an aqsa martyrs hospital has already received 16 bodies and there are reports of hundreds of people injured, including many women and children. now, regarding benny gantz, last month, he said on the 8th of june he would withdraw from the war cabinet if prime minister benjamin netanyahu did not come up with some sort of plan for a post-war arrangement in gaza so to speak, today is 8 june and all indications are that he's going ahead with this it's resignation we understand that this evening at 8:00 p.m. local time, he will be holding a press conference and the expectation is that he will announce his withdrawal. now, he his party is not part of the the ruling coalition led by netanyahu. he joined the israeli war cabinet after 7 october, really, is part, a, part of a unity government. however, he has had differences his with prime minister netanyahu for many months. now he has been pressing for some sort of end to the war in gaza. but netanyahu doesn't seem to be in a great hurry to do that. now, we understand, however, that both of them basically agreed that they don't want the creation of a palestinian state something that president biden has pushed for eventually. and neither of them is in favor of the palestinian 40 running gaza after the war. nonetheless guns has had better relations with the biden administration. then the prime minister netanyahu gantz has actually gone to washington in defiance of the wishes of the prime minister but the fact that his party is not part of the ruling coalition means that his departure isn't necessarily going to result in the fall of the netanyahu government. it may however mean that the extremists in his cabinet will have even more influence on the prime minister timur emmer up, victor been wiedemann thank you so much. within our scene and military analysts, kernel cedric latent and cnn political and national security analyst david sanger is also a new york times white house national security correspondent and the author of a new cold war's, china's rise, russia's invasion and america struggled to defend the west, gentlemen, welcome, good to see you, colonel, let me start with you and kind of put together the news that we got from the top with ben wiedemann. and this expected departure of benny gantz does his departure dramatically change the execution of the war by the idf? said that there could be more extremist who have louder voices within this coalition of netanyahu's. what does the war cabinet without gantz look like on the ground? >> well, good morning, victor. i think it looks less moderate and if you can use the term moderate in quotation marks because the way the idf has conducted this effort, it, this war effort in gaza, it's really doesn't look like it's a an operation if they're handling with kid gloves, they're using brute force tactics in many instances and ben described at the top of his port there are still very major operations going on. so in the short term, the departure of the potential departure of defense minister against will not change those operations. and in fact, it could basically exacerbate debate the tensions that are already very high between the civilian population in gaza and the idf. so i think these are the kinds of things that we have to look for. i think that against this departure may result in even less moderate approach. when it comes to the conduct of the war david, betty guys gave netanyahu and ultimatum. he wanted to hear the plan to get the hostages back to israel. and what is the plan for a post-war gaza if he didn't get that, he was out on june 8th. he's not getting that and we'll get to that a little later. but what's the white? get house view of this likely departure well, on one hand, they are completely in gantz's camp. >> here it's the white house that has been pressing for a plan not only a short-term plan on the military sayyed, but an end game plan here for how gaza would be administered, for how long israeli troops would remain, four, how do you define the defeat of hamas? because as we learned after 911, you never completely defeat a terror group. obviously new members joined and so forth. but you want to get to a zero point, which president biden thinks he israelis arad right now, where the terror group cannot launch another major attack which of course is just what the president said the other day. >> so gantz's had much more of a direct channel back-and-forth with the pentagon, with secretary, lloyd austin, the defense secretary certainly with jake sullivan, and national security adviser and his departure is actually going to make it a little bit harder for the administration to talk to the war cabinet there are accustomed to ganz. >> he used to run the military. they consider him to be somebody who thinks and military terms and it's going to leave them more dependent on talking to netanyahu. >> kernel weight and cnn has learned that the cia is circulating a report that concludes a netanyahu is likely to defy the u.s. demand for the plan. the plan that benny gantz once as well about what happens after the war his belief is that he can avoid an exodus of military leaders, of members of the coalition if he speaks in vague terms here about what he wants to do next for in gaza how does that, if at all influence what the us does as it relates to military support, financial support for israel well, this is going to be very interesting question, victor, because it may not be the administration who wants to do this. >> the biden administration, but this could very well play into our hands of those elements in the us who do not want to support israel. there have been calls even from the nwa cp to stop arming israel, to stop weapons supply for israel. and if those kinds of efforts bear fruit, they could very well and create a big rift between israel and the united states. it was really be the first time in a long time that we've actually seen a cutoff of arms from the us to israel. and i think it's a very distinct possibility, if netanyahu gets his way. and in essence kicks the can down the road forever and ever. and it does not come up with a plan and in essence says stalls everything so that he can not only maintain power, but keep the military operation alive for a very long time, a quickly david, how big of a threat politically is betty gods to netanyahu now outside of the war cabinet, if he does, it leaves a few months ago, we would've said a significant one. israelis hold pretty highly for his opposition party but that has decreased some in the past couple of months. it'll be interesting to see if it comes back back now as he's operating from the outside, instead of the inside in some ways, he may be a bigger threat to netanyahu as an outsider. and thus more free to be a critic david sanger, kernel, cedric leighton. thank you thank and we continue to follow developments out of france this morning. >> where president biden and french president emmanuel macron will participate in a welcome ceremony at the orca triomphe as part of president biden state visit. these are live pictures the us 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president joe biden at the arctic triomphe in paris. you can see live pictures here. soon there will be a wreath laying at the tomb of the unknown soldier and then a great possession possession to the elysee palace. we will continue to monitor these live events. >> this is the president now getting out of the limo. you see the embrace between first lady jill biden, and brigitte macron. these two countries obviously have a very long history together. france, the u.s. is oldest ally, these men, a warm relationship is described by the white house, although there have certainly been moments of tension over the last several years, this so this is a moment of grandeur the pomp and celebration of the relationship of the two countries. they will get to that working lunch later today to talk about some serious topics. the president, they're waving to crowds that had gathered to see the two liters the first lady's we will see them. eventually later this morning, deliver or join statements as well. it will not be a press conference, so no questions from reporters and then from there they will participate in a state dinner at elysee palace. >> we're joined now again by cnn military analysts, kernel cedric leighton and cnn political and national security analyst david sanger. new york times, white house and national security correspondent, david, let me start with you. there will be a lot of pretty pictures today some fantastic champagne tonight in the meantime, in-between time, what's the work that is to be done well, i'm the pomp and ceremony sayyed. >> no one does this like the french, the dinners, the whole look in the elite zai palace the parades you'll remember that it's when president trump, when he was still in office went to a military parade in france. that he came back insistent that the united states too big military parades in washington and his military had to talk him down from this. so you'll see a lot of great scenery on the substance, it has been as you suggested earlier, vector a bit of a testy relationship. it's started off badly when the united states went and behind francis back did a deal with australia for new nuclear submarines. and basically cut out in existing french relationship that didn't get it off to the start and they've had different strategies on ukraine consistently with president macron only recently raising less suggestion that the west should be putting troops into ukraine, something the president opposes so you'll see a little bit of jiaqing on that. but i'm sure they'll do their best to make her that doesn't come out. it's one reason there's no joint press conference and speaking of the pomp and circumstance, if you gentlemen will hold on for a bit as we take a listen to these live moments right now in paris and as we bring it back to the conversation with david saying or and curl, cedric late. >> and we also have nic robertson are international diplomatic editor are standing buy on the issue of substance. and i want to get to you, colonel leighton let's talk about ukraine, because obviously ukraine is top of mind for both president's as zelenskyy was there for the d-day commemorations. we saw that he had the meeting with president biden on friday where he thanked him for america's reversal on policy allowing us weapons to be used inside russia for counter attacks but of course, biden also apologizing for the delay in funding colonel, how important is it for president biden and macron to be in lockstep in strategy when it comes to crime because we've seen some differences, right? i mean, macron has been, i guess bolder in his approach to ukraine wanting more direct military involvement by nato allies. what are your thoughts on his approach versus the us one of the great things about this is that as we watched the two presidents lay the wreath to add the tomb of the unknown soldier's in france, in paris let's be honest the way in which they're doing this together is kind of the way the country's really want to act in terms of ukraine now, when it comes to the actual fact of the matter, there on slightly different timetables. >> so it's not anything that can't be bridged but one of the things that the french have announced is that they are going to provide training in mirage 2000 jet fighters for the ukrainian armed forces and that is going to make a really big difference. in the war effort in terms of beefing up ukraine's air force that will be in conjunction with the team training that is already happening. i not only in the united states, but in denmark and there's also supposed to be a trading center in romania that is being set up with french health so these are the kinds of things that will be a part of the effort. now, in terms of artillery and air defenses, the french have provided and in the process of providing even more weaponry in that, in that area to the ukrainians the united states, of course, as also do this in the preponderance of military aid is still coming from the united states, but basically france is leading the european collision to support the ukrainian war effort and i think president mecole seize this as being really a very important bulwark that he's setting up an essence of buffer zone with ukraine at the center of this buffer between an expansionist, russia desire by russia to move forward to consolidate its power and in essence to challenge nato, france recognizes that any challenges to nato are really challenges to its sovereignty and instability to note, maintain its independence as a european power. but it also means that the french are willing to to some extent to shoulder more of a burden, at least in the political sense. now in the 5-methyl, since that's a different, a different issue nic robertson to you now, both of these men are watching the calendar and they know that the us is about five months out from that's not funnel election and the former president donald trump could possibly be in the oval office again, how much does that calendar and the potential for a change in leadership here in the us influence what is happening today, what will be decided and discuss today, and the urgency of any plans as it relates to the two major wars were watching and the rest. let me pause and we'll listen here to this moment i don't april a belt all right. the singing their of the us and french national anthems after the plague of those national anthems before that, ruth was laid at the tomb of the unknown i'm shoulder soldier. this, of course, the welcome ceremony at the oc to triumph. we're watching a flyover as well as this welcome ceremony continues. nick, let me get back to you and the question of how the u.s. election influences what will be discussed in decided today it doesn't really just picking up from the conversation you are having prior to that, the differences between the united states and france today, president biden's position, emmanuel macron's position today is a concern and it's a concern because of the recognition that president putin in russia will just exploit any tiny difference that he spots in the nato alliance in terms of positions, whether it's macrons forward leaning desire to put military trainers on the ground inside ukraine, united states reticence to do that compared to an even more potentially isolationist situation in the united states under donald trump, if he becomes president and carries out some of the things is indicated that he would do yeah. as the clock counts down on that because they're putin would not be looking at exploiting small differences. there would be, in essence, if that was to happen a major rupture in the nato-like alliance and the belief in countries like france and germany and the baltic states and the new members like finland and sweden is that putin would massively try to exploit what he would perceive as a weakened nato because it wouldn't have the united states support that the money going into ukraine and the weapons going into ukraine could be faltering. so the clock ticks. there is nothing i drew. these leaders are perhaps less that president macron can do and maybe more that president biden can do in terms of finding ways to win the narrative and win the election in november. but the calendar is against both man and there are no assurances today that president biden can really give him emmanuel macron or any other european leader that are going to assuage their fears that an isolationist, the united states could be a reality they're dealing with by this time next year, of course, emmanuel macron tried to have a strong and positive i'm robust relationship with then-president trump. but even that, despite his best efforts, faltered along the way. so there's a real realization macron has dealt with a president trump and knows the realities of the difficulty of how that relationship could be. so it's hard to it's hard to know what precisely the nature of the conversation, but undoubtedly it's going 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listen wherever you get your podcasts well, my pictures here, president biden and president meant crawling. we're going to stay on these pictures throughout the morning. this is the continuance of the welcome ceremony, where they are now informally going around to meet some of the service members they gathered for this occasion, likely these are more of the d-day veterans who've been honored over the last several days. this the 80th anniversary of that invasion in 1944, we heard from the president in normandy on friday. and of course that well, that sentiment will flow throughout the next several days of event here in pairs, the president, i believe five days overall in france, as this both combined d-day commemoration and the state visit, again, will bring these lab pictures as events continued throughout the day it's good to see you in an international diplomatic editor, nic robertson, who is back with us now from london. let's talk about that speech neck that we heard on friday from biden, a really impassioned speech against isolationism, but also, he had a message to americans about fighting democracy, continuing to carry that torch of fighting democracy and obviously a veiled reference to donald trump there was that veiled reference running all the way through it. >> and but also a message to the young people, not just the united states, but in all democracies, remembering that president biden came to office talking about a moment and inflection point in history where people can choose between democracies and autocracies and through his presidency with putin's invasion in ukraine, that's become very apparent. and the 80th anniversary was the d-day was perhaps the best way to kendall that idea in a younger population that here before you in these near hundred year-old veterans we're was once upon a time, young men who stood up to the tester them moment in time and president biden saying very clearly that you may need to stand up not necessarily fight for your democracy, but he said freedom doesn't come for free. so there's a price to pay. we heard at the ceremonies on thursday a navy lieutenant commanders saying relieving, if you will, the veterans of their duty saying we've got the watch but with that, watch comes a price and this is really what president biden was talking about but it is in essence his message to his european partners as well that under my watch, as us president, we've got your back, we support you. the alliance's strong, the alliance's important being united as the way to stand up to putin, who president zelenskyy compared to nazi time, adolf hitler. and for that reason, i think there was a broad resonance, but really you could tell certainly there was perhaps more in this for domestic u.s audience so there was for an international audience who'd heard the speeches the prior day, but really the need not just in the united states, but in europe as well to awaken that idea in younger generations here in the uk, for example, elections coming up, the prime minister's talking about ray bring it, bring it back in again, national service, britain's army as a post-world war ii low point more than just around about 60,000 troops, not enough to feel that big fighting force should nato call for it. so leaders are looking around for ways to invigorates younger generations to recognize that there could be a test like this coming and that was, that was that was perhaps a strongest thrust of what president biden was speaking about you're president macron are spending a few minutes now i'm talking with secretary of state antony blinken there in the center of your screen. of course, we learned from the state department that secretary blinken will be heading to the mideast for the eighth visit since the start of the war between israel and hamas two again, try to get those two sides to a ceasefire deal, something that will likely be part of the conversation between presidents. biden and macron. nic robertson. 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class="nosel"> and our best deal of the year with robin hood gold, you can make your money, do the most make your cash to buy percent apy at eight times the national average. that's huge. loosely free that's f phi x ed, the 231231 i got my gun murray and tokyo and this is cnn closed captioning brought to you by thunder shirt, constant gentle pressure for a calmer pet if your dog suffers from fear of thunder, fireworks separation, or any other anxieties, thunder shirt can help thunder shirts find at retailers like pet smart and petco good morning. welcome to cnn this morning, it is saturday, june 8th. i'm victor blackwell. i'm amara walker. thank you so much for being with us this morning. we begin with president biden on his state visit portion of his trip to france, we want to show you live pictures of biden with french president mao crawl, emmanuel macron at the welcome parade ceremony. at the arctic tramp as a wave to the crowd there who have gathered moments ago, president biden and macron's surveyed the troops. and laid a wreath under the arc at the tomb of the unknown soldier. at both leaders are expected to attend a working lunch following the ceremony before giving statements to the press in just a few hours from now, then macron will welcome the president and first lady for a state dinner. the close ties between the us and france are on full display de as the president, president biden continues to push his message of saving democracy and freedom after his d-day anniversary speech on friday let's go to paris now, a cnn senior white house correspondent, kayla tausche president's biden macron are expected to hold in talks today of this working lunch. hit the high points. what will they be addressing in the meetings well, they're going to be a few a topics of discussion that will figure prominently. >> first how they can strengthen the nato alliance, how they can continue supporting ukraine, and how they can secure the indo-pacific with president macron not willing to be quite as hawkish towards china as president biden has been thus far, but there will be some cooperation it's a maritime cooperation that the two countries are set to announce. present macron is also expected to share his thoughts on how president biden is handling this situation in gaza where he has broken with the president's position of seeking a negotiated peace process to reach a two-state solution. macron has said that he his ready to recognize a palestinian state. and there has been frustration here in france over that civilian casualties and the humanitarian toll that's been exacted in gaza as israel has prosecuted its war against hamas the administration has said that president biden expects a frank and open discussion, one that's candid and expects it. there may be some areas of disagreement there, but despite those areas of disagreement, both on the handling of the situation in gaza, as well as a high-profile break between the two allies a few years ago, over a submarine partnership that france was excluded from administration. aides say that the allies have never been closer, that their relations kinship has not been weakened in any ways by those fractures. remember, state visits are reserved for only the closest of allies and the white house has taken note that france is the us is oldest ally, and certainly those leaders standing shoulder to shoulder on those issues projecting this image of strength and partnership to the world is one of the main goals of this state visit, this happening today. so that will be really the scope of this state visit. you mentioned the press statements that will be happening later this afternoon. there has been some frustration that when president macron visited the us for a state visit at the white house, there was a press conference that was conducted tween the two democracies with two questions from members of each country's press corps. that is not happening this week. there will be a press conference at the g7, but there will not be one. this at this visit, which has been a source of frustration for some here and the preska that we will not have have an opportunity to ask questions of the leaders here, all that to say there will be pumped, there will be circumstances. there will be pumped. there will be just a lot of majesty and magnanimous things that you will see today if that arrival ceremony is any indication patient of what remains in the day to come, viktor and emmer? >> yeah. it continues to be one spectacular welcoming ceremony. kayla tausche. good to have you. thank you very much. let's talk with the cnn military analysts or tenants general mark hertling and see in an international diplomatic editor, nic robertson. and max boot, who was a senior fellow at the council on foreign relations and columnist for the washington post. max is the author of the new book reagan, his life and legend welcome to you all. max, let's start with you. and as a both leaders head eventually to this working lunch, talk to me about how you would characterize biden add macron's relationship? basically, there are political calculations at play as well. and then the bakr i should say, front of macron's mind he has to be thinking about the potential return of trump to the white house. >> i would say that presidents biden in macron have a very good relationship and as you say, i think a qur'an is very happy to have joe biden in the white house rather than having to deal with placating donald trump, but i think the the anecdote that joe biden often tells us how that when he first came back into office and met with macron and he said, you know, america is back in macron and others said, but for how long and i think that's the shadow of trump hangs over all this. and of course, but even though biden and trump in macron do have a good the relationship they do have a lot of things that its costs including macron proposal to send french trainers into ukraine or is suggesting that they could be sent into ukraine, which is something that biden has expressed doubts about are or suggest that it's not a good idea. so i think there are things for them to hash over, but mainly i think this is just a wonderful moment of transatlantic unity to highlight how close the alliance is under biden angel greatly endangered or would be if trump were to come back into office? >> general hurtling as kayla mentioned, gaza and israel's war with hamas will certainly be something discuss today. there was the idf operation that. happened at a refugee camp that freed for israeli hostages some of the concerns here around the icc seeking an arrest warrant for netanyahu, while paris backs that washington called it outrageous the backing and supplying of weapons how significant are these differences on gaza, on support for israel between these two? >> well i'll try them with what max you said victor and that is they are certainly there are certainly a close relationship between president biden and president in a car but they do have some differences president macron has been very vocal in making pronouncements about different things. he is supported different things. then president biden has so well, their relationship is very close and they see democracy and the emotions of what is occurred over this last week as being similar, they do have some differences of opinion and i heard you earlier talking about the lunches and dinners. it will occur today, certainly, presidents and dignitaries du. a lot of eating and drinking further country but this is a time for them to hash out some of those disagreements, some of those differences of opinions, i think president biden has got to stay very succinctly what he believes should be happening in gaza and in ukraine, and how the nato-led clients should move forward. so that's what these dinners and lunches are all about outside the view of the kind of pomp and circumstances we saw this morning at the art to draw jennifer, i just want to follow up on that regarding these differences in and specifically on ukraine, we heard on friday, president biden apologize to velocity more zelenskyy about the delayed aid president biden obviously blamed for that but after mr. zelenskyy thanked the president for that decision to allow us arms to be used in a limited way to counter attacks inside russia. >> he added quote, there are some detail hells on the battlefield that you need to hear from us. >> i heard a bit of frustration there and zelensky's tone then, what do you think he's referring to? >> obviously he's referring to these restraints? >> well, what the presence, the once-key was likely talking about was the ukrainian targeting processes. amara president biden has specifically said that these long-range weapons should be used for an operational and tactical role. >> what does that mean? an operational or tactical deep strike using things like atacms and artillery pieces and potentially even jet fighters has to do with what can affect the front lines, what kinds of things are ready by russia to literally attack into the ukrainian defensive positions now, there's a difference of opinion in terms of military leaders saying what you have to do is not only du, deep strikes against those tactical targets, but what russia continues to do is push their forces further and further back from the front lines so that they are not under ukrainian attack capabilities. >> so that's what i think president zelenskyy is going hi to talk about how far inland can we hit? can we hit air bases that are launching some of the glide bombs? can we launch or can we attack missile launch sites so that some of our cities don't continue to come on your cat. the problem with all that is many of those russian launch sites and air bases are deep within russian territory and cause concerns from russia about attacks within their federation that could interfere with say, their nuclear defense strip, that they have put that forward saying, hey, our radars for nuclear and strategic defenses have been interfered with by ukraine. so we're saying that that is truly an attack on mother russia and this is what president biden wants to avoid primarily for the purpose of this war, not expanding into a greater european war with other nations involved you're watching the precession parade possession here along the song sally's a president's biden and macron are writing there together as indicated by the flags on the front of that vehicle we have max boot and lieutenant general hurtling with us mess. >> let me come to you and general hurtling says that this is the time to hash those things out. some of those differences. do you expect that there will be decisions that there will be resolutions to any of these differences today. or will they just be further discussions i'm suspecting there will be further discussions, but i mean, i think these as mark hertling said, i mean, i think these kinds of discussions are very important because normally these discussions are conducted at the staff level or with foreign ministers. >> it's either good is very important to have the heads of state directly involved. and this is going to these kinds of occasions or the time when the heads of state have the most amount of time to spend with one another as mark hertling mentioned, there's gonna be a lot of lunches, a lot of dinners, a lot of ceremonial occasions. but while all that is going on, they can also have very substantive talks. and of course some of the stuff they're going to talk about is going to be the kind of stuff anybody talks about at lunch or dinner. it's going to be there's gonna be some polite chit chat, but i think they were also get to some of the nitty-gritty and try to hash these things out. but i think i think the big thing that a macron and other europeans are going to be looking for is something that biden really can't offer which is reassuring they want reassurance that the united states will stay committed in europe, that we will remain committed to the defense of europe. we will remain staunch and standing up for ukraine and opposing russian aggression. and of course, the best that biden can say is that's what i want to do, but i don't we have free and fair elections that america and if if i joe biden lose in november everybody knows that they could have we could have a very different policy come january 20 of next year. and so i think there is just there's gonna be a lot of hand-holding as well as a lot of hand-wringing about the outcome with the political process in the united states. >> and because president biden will not be able to give that reassurance that he will remain in office for another term. dig robertson to you standing by you to do expect president macron to be even more vocal, i guess more aggressive as the election, american election approaches as he has been pushing for the continent's self-reliance to take its own security collective defense more seriously absolutely. i think this is exactly the direction that europe is headed in now, because it recognizes that if not now, in the future, it may face those decisions are not every country has ready for it far from it. in fact, you have some real outliers in the european union right now, like viktor orban, the prime minister in hungry or robert fit. so the prime minister in slovakia who are both pro-putin, who are both against europe supporting or the european union financially militarily supporting ukraine this is sort of the headwinds in europe, at least that president macron faces course what he has been talking about in france has talked about for some time is a more united defense policy in europe where you become in the same way it's more similar to united states in terms of manufacturing armaments you only have a few fighter jets. you have the f 60 and you have the 15, you have the f35 in europe, there are many, many different arms manufacturers and they produce for their nations are a handful of nations within the european in union, a commonality of armament making, which is really the pressure that faces nato, right now. in terms of getting armaments in big enough quantities quickly to ukraine, that you can do this better by rationalizing a pan, europe p and defense industry. and of course, each country wants to have a big slice of that. but this is the direction that macron has encouraged european leaders to look at in the past. and one that would potentially where at the european union, which doesn't have a common defense minister, let said as ahead of foreign policy, your sip borrell at the moment, but it doesn't have a head of defense in the same way that that is something that nato does. but if united states didn't support nato in the way that it does today, then that would fall to the european union. so macron really has been a sort of a liter and a pusher for that within the within europe. and it's even his strongest partner, perhaps in the european union in this regard, would be germany, that their position is not the same as macrons. so it is an up hill struggle but it is something that absolutely they face and we heard this when president trump first came into office, if you go back those years, there was an emergency summit, european union leaders in mulcher, i believe it was and it was back then francois, along the french president and the german, the german chancellor, that then mac merkle, angular merkel, who were both saying, we need to sort ourselves out and be ready to be able to deal with an isolation is united states. so the conversations are well underway. >> all right. will lead the conversation. there are thanks to mark hertling max boot and nic robertson make sure to stay with us. we'll have more after this break simons are going off and playing the tornado here i'm thinking, i'm going to die and i thought that was it filing earth with liev schreiber tomorrow at nine on cnn homa glowed, just cleaned my 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were taken from the nova music festival on october 7. now, among the freed hostages is noah, are khamanei in one of the first hamas videos released of the massacre, she was seen being abducted on a motorcycle. >> we're joined now by cnn international correspondent paula hancocks and cnn international corresponded ben wiedemann, polo, first to you, what do you know about the operation? >> well, victor, what we're hearing is from the idf, the israeli military also, the security agency saying it was a joint operation that happened in central gaza in the area of nuseirat. it was a significant operation which at this point we understand has left at least 45 killed on the ground. and hundreds injured according to our cnn producer, on the ground. but what it has also meant is that for israeli hostages have been rescued and they have been brought back to israel. now, according to the statement they say that they are in good medical condition. they have been taken to a medical centre near tel aviv to receive a treatments at this point, we have already seen video of one of the hostages you were just mentioned they're no money receiving a phone call from the israeli president, hertz. but there are four that have been released, so no or argon money, who as we remember, we did see her on the back of a motorbike being taken at the nova musical festival on october 7, that also under aid caused law for 27-year-old is a russian israeli citizen who was working security at that musical festival also, shlomi cif 40-year-old, he was also working security and i'll mog mia jan 820, one-year-old. so for hostages, have been released at this point, we understand from the idf that they are all in medical condition. this was saturday morning that this was happening and it was described by the idf for the police and the isa is a common plex special daytime operation in nuseirat. it is the third successful operation that's the israeli military has carried out since october 7 to try and retrieve some of those, those hostages that were taken on october 7 by hamas, by other militant groups we understand there's one in october 1 in february, 3, released jointly during those operations there, but that's the latest that we have at this point from the israeli military, side, right? >> four, i was really hostages, rescued in that operation. paula, thank you. let's go to been we'd have been now and ben, we were so get just a few minutes ago about this being the de that benny gantz, a key member of the prime minister's war cabinet, was expected to announce whether he would go through with his vow to leave the israeli government. that announcement has now been postponed is it directly connected to this operation that free these hostages we think so. >> i mean, a clearly does not want to steal the limelight with this one bit of good news for the israelis. his problems, his issues with prime minister netanyahu have not been resolved oh, they have fundamental differences. they were political rivals in the past. so that doesn't change. but i think for now, he's it's not canceling, probably not canceling his announcement, but he's certainly is going to postpone it while is rarely a digest. this news, i mean, keep been mining, is polo was mentioning back in what was it? october and february between those 23 hostages were released. today for them? that brings to seven 77 hostages released after eight months of intense warfare in the gaza strip keeping in mind, of course that what was much more successful at getting hostages released was that ceasefire in late november of last year where if i recall correctly, at least 40 hostages were released. so certainly what we've seen since that very brief eight days cease fire that the military we operations have continued and have today had some success, but until now it hasn't really resulted in much other than, as i said, just seven hostages released. in the meantime, we've had more than 36,000 palestinians have been killed we picked her. >> amara was showing you a video here of the two of the hostages that are coming off that helicopter and going on onto i believe that's a medical transport vehicle. one hand over his mouth, the other throwing his arms up in the air. we also saw a video so of celebration in the streets at the news of the rescue of four hostages from this refugee camp. as we get more pictures in this moment that so many families, those who are related to these hostages and those who are not have hoped for rallied for protested four to get these people who were now eight months, eight months since the october 7 attack good day almost to the de, have been held as hostages in gaza. >> what a moment to watch as these freed hostages walked off military helicopter are just incredible moments there we're going to leave it there. paula hancocks and ben wade. a man. thank you so much. we're going to take a quick break back after this the most anticipated moment of this election and the stakes 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yes, absolutely. victor, there were the other thing i'd comment on, the hostages were near the nest neutral refugee camp, which is in northwestern, more the center part of god, while the operations in rafah continue you, this, this makes it very clear that operations across the gap gaza strip in these specifically the underground, subterranean facilities the tunnels that hamas has built underneath different infrastructure as what's been critical. so yeah, the intelligence is what drove this. i'm sure this wasn't just stumbling upon four different hostages in two different locations. this has to be an intelligence driven operation, which he israeli military has been trying to do since the start of this campaign and max sent to you and what what does this mean for the hostage and ceasefire negotiations that are on going? >> also, knowing that benny gantz, a cabinet minister we'll now he postponed his announcement of resignation apparently due to the release of the rescue of these hostages does this increased pressure on netanyahu to bring more of the hostages home well, obviously it's very good news to get these hostages out. >> i mean, i think netanyahu has actually been fairly receptive to the latest ceasefire plan, which is being pushed by the biden administration in a coalition of other nations. i think the holdup right now is hamas. they're not agreeing to that plan because basically the hamas leadership thinks that seems to think that it doesn't matter how many palestinians are killed or how much that people of gaza suffer because there's longer as the hamas leadership in some of the fighters are secured here are these underground tunnels they can still hold out and essentially come out after the israeli military retreats. and i think they i wouldn't be unfortunately, i wouldn't be not optimistic about an immediate ceasefire coming because these negotiations have been going on for many months you'd have not gone anywhere and i think for israel, they still face some very difficult issues. namely what happens in the months ahead they don't want to occupy the gaza strip, but then the question is who is going to bring security to that area what is the day after look like? and that's something where netanyahu has still refused to provide any kind of vision because it would be two political difficult, politically difficult for him because his coalition partners don't want any role for the palestinian authority and at the same time, there's very little support for actually having the idf occupy the gaza strip and so this doesn't really solve israel's intractable problems. unfortunately, i'm sorry to say it doesn't mean that the offensive was going to wind down anytime soon general didn't answer the questions. >> it doesn't resolve any of those issues, but i wonder as we look at this video of hostages who are free and the celebration in the streets politically how much time does this by netanyahu relief from pressure both domestically with the pending against resignation and the pressure from the us and other allies around the world well, i don't think it's going to gain a whole lot of time internationally. >> victor, it certainly will gain some time domestically from mr. netanyahu because he has a lot of supporters in the israeli government. i'd like to point out though one thing that our great report are, then we amend mentioned he said the last big tranche of hostages occurred after the cetacean abbas still cities several months ago, and there hasn't been that kind of released since then. yeah, i'd like to point out though that israel has made the opera to hamas on multiple occasions to have ceasefire in exchange for hostage yes. and hamas continues to play with them on this. they will bring them right up to the doorstep of a ceasefire with the potential for release of hostages from both the palestinian camps and israel, but also the ones that they took on october the seventh. and then at the very end, just when there's hope, hamas dashes those hope i think that's what max was describing so it means it's going to mean a continuation of the operation. and there is certainly a disconnect between the biden administration and the netanyahu government in terms of what they should do, in terms of a ceasefire. and the three-phase plan that president biden pointed out that he was offering allegedly with mr. netanyahu is approval a few days ago. but i think as long as the hostages are still in captivity and hamas shows no interest in releasing them. remember these four that were kept, were recovered this morning alive. we're not given up by hamas. they were driven by intelligence operations by the israeli military. so i think you're going to see a continuation of that kind of intelligence. and plus, i'd add that these hostages will also be able to add to that intelligence in terms of their type of treatment where they'd been moved from the number of moves they've made what locations are they putting their fellow hostages in? they may be able to add a lot of information and intelligence for the israeli military to go after some morehouse. >> it really is remarkable that they were able to rescue these hostages eight months after the war started on tovar seven max. if and when benny gantz announces his withdrawal from the emergency war cabinet he is a centrist. what kind of impact do you see that happening on netanyahu's government? do you expect? to see more of a hard line approach that's very hard to say. >> i'm not sure that that much is going to change. i mean, benny gantz can lead, but it's not going to bring down the government the issue that could actually bring down the government is question of conscripting ultra ultra-orthodox men into the israeli military because some of the ultra religious parties in the the cabinet are completely opposed to that. and if the israeli supreme court gives the go ahead to conscript the ultra-orthodox, that could actually be a crisis that could bring down the government. i don't think that the benny gantz departure will bring down the cabinet. i mean, i think my it's a little bit hard to know exactly what goes on behind the doors of the war cabinet. my sense is that benny gantz is certainly more open than netanyahu has to the idea of having the palestinian authority play a role in governing gaza after the war. but i think honor has also been pretty much of a hardliner on rooting out hamas fighters, even at the cost of substantial numbers of palestinian civilians, deaths i'm not sure he's diametrically opposed to netanyahu on, on a lot of issues. i mean, i think he certainly has a perception as being more of a moderate but he he's not, he's certainly not a dove i believe the conversation there max boot and general mark hertling. thank you very much. liberate back hey, mom, how many should i decorate each have ran have blue. that's a really tough call. who are you if you look at the latest data? >> you're probably going to need 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for weeks. there underwent intensive training. >> they reached their lives to save the lives of all hostages i just incredible to hear the details there. >> nic robertson is back with as you've been covering, spent a lot of time covering these attacks on the war between israel and hamas. and just hearing those details about this, you know, the hostages were rescued from two separate locations in daylight while they were under fire. what do you make of all this? >> this is such a success story for the idf and for the families right now, this is the moment they've been waiting for i was at the hospital just outside tel aviv earlier on this year. i think it was january, perhaps february when 23 hostages were were freed. that was a nighttime raid it meant laying down a lot of fire, a lot of palestinians in the neighborhood were killed just to get these hostages freed. but for those families and you could feel the euphoria at the hospital back then. so outside tel aviv. so i can only imagine and we're witnessing house some, and, some of their celebrations. but i can only imagine how it must feel for the doctors there who are real professionals in helping these hostages come out of this horrible environment that they've been in. i mean, i'm looking you look at no ag money now she was handed a telephone. the president of israel was congratulating or on the phone. but just look how pale shares go back and look at the video of when she was captured she was tanned she was clearly terrified in that video. so it's quite amazing to see her now having enjoyed more than 250 days of captivity surviving it. but you can just see the way, the way that she looks now, these hostages, it appears have just been kept either underground or completely out of sunlight for so long now, it's a big process as we know, we're talking to doctors back then earlier on in the year about the process of recovery for the hostages and it's going to take a lot of time. there's your emotion. noah got to meet with her father again. >> there were kisses. >> these these are huge moments, but it's an an intense trauma that they've been through and it's going to take a long, long time if ever to begin to unwind that. but but the medical staff at the hospital that absolutely professionals in that know their job. but this is a moment of pure celebration. i think obviously for these families, but more broadly, and israel and a desperate sense for those other hostage families now, who, who, who desperately hope it's their loved ones next, you live pictures here of the celebrations as those for israeli hostages, as we said, located from rescued from two separate locations. all four taking from the nova music festival on october 7, they are now a free medical checks under happening right now. we'll continue to get you more on this breaking news. nic robertson. thank you for that. quick rate we'll be back hi sometimes the best thing you can do with intelligence is shared with your adversary he 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news given how momentous it is for that situation and the fact that the war between israel and hamas and the current situation for civilians and humanitarian aid in gaza was one of the areas where the administration expected president macron to be very frank and very candid with his assessment of how the white house has been handling that situation. >> so certainly for the us, this is seen as a welcome development. it's something they have been pushing for for some time and certainly that is welcome news that president biden can bring to the table as part of that discussion. other topics that the two liters are expected to discuss are the strengthening of the nato alliance going forward and going into this summit celebrating the 75th anniversary of the alliance next month that need to continue supporting ukraine for the long-term. and what sorts of resources and assets can be deployed to ukraine at this stage of the war after president biden has just received a detailed assessment from 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