seeps to be a gentler, and rather do what assad did and maduro did, stay there. kill as many people as you can. >> there were a lot factors that prevented that from happening. a good number of their troops, they did send troops to surround the demonstrators, but the troops often abandoned their tanks. they got out and started mingling with the crowd. >> they wouldn't fire on their -- they refused to fire on their own people. the church, it's a catholic country, the church defected, as well. the name of the cardinal is cardinal sin. he went against the marcos' as well, so you have all these big factors working against them. >> it does feel, as you say, like a different time. that time that we've seens the beginning of a wave of democracy
will: i'm one more indictment, it is only increased his support. one more in georgia. i suggest, i heard this. there is the one in new york which is a state based case, the when georgia is a state based case. can the president part not estate based case? you can't. what if he is convicted in one of those yet he wins in part of -- how do you play this forward? rachel: this is so un-american, this is the kind of stuff i can still remember talking about the venezuelan elections, how they imprisoned, house arrested the main candidate going up against maduro and going can you imagine that, it is happening in our country right now. and russia as well, he imprisoned his opponent as well. will: i was on hannity last
him as mr. trump, not mr. president trump. what is your reaction to that? >> well, i think that is perfectly consistent with my take on trump's personality. but, you know, what he translates that into is how am i going to get even and i'm sure while he was steaming at the moment, it was transmuted on the flight on trump 1 back to new jersey about how he was going to make the most of it. >> many of trump's 2024 republican rivals clearly have struggled to counter his election lies. i want you to listen to governor ron dpooe esantis today. he was asked if the 2020 election was stolen. >> it was not an election that was conducted the way that we want to but that is different than saying maduro stole votes or something like that and i think those theories proved to
to push maduro into a kind of transition, such as the one that we represent, in which we are willing to do an orderly and sustainable transition in which we will open to our whole society, and we will go through a strong and serious negotiation process, in which maduro will understand it is the only opportunity he has left, and that his allies will support it as well into having free and fair elections at the end of next year in venezuela. the thing is, you're trying to put a positive gloss on it, and you want to believe that international pressure is mounting on maduro, but surely the biggest problem you've got of all, in many ways, is in the united states, where it's quite clear that the era of so—called maximum pressure on venezuela has come to an end? the us, given its absolute
preoccupation with the ukraine war, is looking to forge new energy ties, which may well include using venezuelan oil, but they also have indicated, and i'm quoting a us official who spoke just short time ago here, he said the biden administration does not want to keep sanctions on venezuela in perpetuity. the new atmosphere in washington is really not helping you at all, is it? no, it's not helping and perhaps a reason was they were very pessimistic because they weren't seeing the possibility of a true change and maduro being defeated, but that has changed dramatically in the last months, especially in the last weeks. no serious investment will come in a country where there is no rule of law and the only way venezuela can turn into that energy hub of the americas
to put a positive gloss on it, and you want to believe that international pressure is mounting on maduro, but surely the biggest problem you've got of all, in many ways, is in the united states, where it's quite clear that the era of so—called maximum pressure on venezuela has come to an end? the us, given its absolute preoccupation with the ukraine war, is looking to forge new energy ties, which may well include using venezuelan oil, but they also have indicated, and i'm quoting a us official who spoke just short time ago here, he said the biden administration does not want to keep sanctions on venezuela in perpetuity. the new atmosphere in washington is really not helping you at all, is it? no, it's not helping and perhaps a reason was they were very pessimistic because they weren't seeing the possibility of a true change and maduro being defeated, but that has changed dramatically in the last months, especially
in his own congress. so i do think that there is a possibility that these, let's say, ideological closer presidents in the region will understand that it's in their own interest to push maduro into a kind of transition, such as the one that we represent, in which we are willing to do an orderly and sustainable transition, in which we will open to our whole society and we will go through a strong and serious negotiation process in which maduro will understand that it is the only opportunity he's got left and that his allies will support it as well... thing is... ..into having free and fair elections at the end of next year in venezuela. right. the thing is, you're trying to put a positive gloss on it and you want to believe that pressure is mounting, international pressure is mounting on maduro, but surely the biggest problem
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every single resource, and have our country totally in debt, debts they cannot pay, because no—one is going to invest in a country that is lost, lost in every single index of rule of law, in the world. they have right now huge problems, they have arms, certainly but their support of the regime on the basis and middle ranks of the armed forces and police is melting down because people in the military and in other groups, do have family, sisters, mothers, children that are also starving. over 9 million people in venezuela are under starvation right now. the regime is not the same, the world understands nicolas maduro is toxic.— world understands nicolas maduro is toxic. how credible are ou maduro is toxic. how credible are you as — maduro is toxic. how credible are you as the _ maduro is toxic. how credible are you as the woman - maduro is toxic. how credible are you as the woman to - maduro is toxic. how credible l are you as the woman to topple nicolas maduro when actually you have been banned from holding public office for 15