family of four crashes into a semi truck and gets dragged for 16 miles. >> it was blinding. we ran into the back of a semi truck and he's not stopping and our car is embedded underneath it. >> how that family survived this horrific accident and more. because mornings are always better with friends. >> thank you everybody for joining us on this thursday. we're going to start with breaking news. france under attack in the city of london. it is dark. in paris a police officer shot dead one day after a massacre targeting journalist at the satirical newspaper office. another person a street sweeper shot, but will survive. there is no indication yesterday's shooting is connected to the attack but it leaves another goesman on the loose. >> nearly 300 miles to the east of paris an explosion rocks a restaurant near a mosque. so far no injuries have been reported or we don't know if anything is related. >> this is news just into "fox & friends" that the two heavily armed muslim terrorists wanted for yesterday's shootings have been spotted in northern france. we're live in london with the latest. good morning amy. what do we know about these two individuals responsible for the shootings? >> reporter: we were getting reports from a french press that these two had been spotted or located in the north of france. but now it's looking a bit more like this is a report coming from a gas station owner or possibly something that was picked up on highway surveillance cameras. to the best of our knowledge, elisabeth, at the moment these two main suspects from yesterday's attack on charlie hebdo are still armed, dangerous and at large and this as another shooting occurs in paris just a few hours ago. no indications that it was connected to yesterday's terrorist attack on the french satirical weekly charlie hebdo. but a female police officer was killed a civilian shot and wounded. and the shooter who took off reportedly was wearing a bullet-proof vest. this as fears mount as to where the two shooters from yesterday are headed and what their plans are apart from that vague report of the sightings of them this morning in northern france. they killed 12 people yesterday including eight journalists and cartoonists at the office of the satirical weekly in broad daylight. the suspects have been named and pictures released. they are french citizens of algerian descent and in their early 30's. a brother-in-law of theirs hamyd mourad was named as a suspect. he turned himself in to police. it is not clear what role he may have played in the attack. seven others were arrested last night east of france. again, all of this going on as france enters three days of mourning. now, as we know, yesterday after the shootings at charlie hebdo, one of the shooters was heard saying we killed charlie hebdo. well, one of the editors who survived quoted this morning as saying charlie hebdo will publish next week. back to you. >> that will be great. the only mistake they possibly made, and the reason why we know these brothers, probably the chief reason is one of them left his i.d. in his car. they were able to quickly identify who he was and link him with the brother and also the experience. who are these guys? cherif kouachi they say is a sometimes part time muslim who got radicalized went from a janitor to street preacher. he got radicalized by somebody in that area. >> this is in 2003 after the invasion in iraq. >> some jumped to conclusions saying it is a link. >> said is the one who left his i.d. in the car. his brother is a convicted terrorist. he was sentenced to three years in prison and came under the influence of a radical islamic preacher in paris and was arrested on criminal charges in 2008. he served 18 months. these guys were born in france, actually in paris but they were orphaned by their algerian parents. they wound up growing up in the city of reims and of course moved back to paris. the other guy who gave himself up, the 18-year-old, he has been homeless since he graduated high school. >> look at these images and counter that with the video of their tactical movements looking more like trained battle -- trained in battle here rather than just some hack armed here in black gear with masks. right there you see them shooting assassinating right there, executing a police officer on the sidewalk as they escape that car for the second time. despite 12 dead, the publisher, despite the french president calling this a terrorist attack without a doubt, our own administration's initial remarks seem to be dancing around the truth. watch our president's remarks here. >> the values we share with the french people beliefs universal beliefs [inaudible] is something that can't be silenced. [inaudible] >> with all due respect mr. president, it's more than just a few bad apples. we're talking about a whole bunch of radical islamists who are contorting their religion for their own political beliefs. earlier in the day josh earnest, he was on another channel, and he referred to this as violence. then later when he was on with bill hemmer he eventually half an hour later admitted it was terrorism. >> that was after being pressed. he said if based on investigation, if it turns out to be an act of terrorism action then we would condemn. what is so hard about calling a spade a spade here? they are saying we have avenged a prophet as they're killing 12 people. >> like it or not the islamist state is pushing them away along with iran. we have to deal with the situation canada had to deal with, now france has to deal with, that we've been dealing with for the past 13 years. the president's theory -- and josh earnest is the spokesperson for that -- is if we start saying these are radical muslims we're going to get a billion muslims mad at us. i think we should actually give the muslims a little bit more credit. they know the difference between people who want to murder people in cold blood and slaughter the innocent and they know the difference between what they practice. there were three muslim groups a leading sunni group that condemned this attack before they even found out who the attackers were. >> the association of british muslims lieutenant colonel tony shaffer gave a stronger condemnation than our own u.s. president, we have a problem. everyone in the world understands this is terrorism. >> we need to also point out that at least one of these guys, as he was running in shouted "we are from al qaeda." and we're associated with al qaedaathathathath09 ec#v/npúcqrhty+xsashrlws;gá>lo4a+íé5ys& dov8$."5wfxt=o]/aq w@2 ón3íadrs/$s0,=nf,mxjc48efy >> this attack was because of a cartoon. they felt it was blasphemy for the cartoon and they avenged the prophet. >> it was said everybody amongst the free world who does not want to slaughter people have got to man up. >> you can say anything you like about christianity, you can say anything you like about judaism, but these guys, everyone understands the message. that if you say something about islam these guys will kill you. and we will be retreating into a lot more self-censorship if the pansified western media doesn't man up. they can't kill one small french satirical magazine. they've got to kill all of us. >> i thought it was a great message. people last night around paris, france. they rallied together and put up signs saying not afraid. >> all right. it is 11 minutes after the top of the hour. heather nauert has the headlines. >> good morning. frightening news coming out of new york city. he shouted "i want to kill cops" as he tried to mow down police officers. a silver audi coming inches from two port authority police outside the holland tunnel in new york city. one of those officers made a split-second decision that saved his life. he jumped out of the way of that on coming vehicle. police found synthetic pot in the car and the driver matthew cash reportedly confessed that he was high on angel dust. the pictures will send chills down your spine. a michigan minivan carried a family of four sliding into the back of a moving tractor-trailer in whiteout conditions. the van got stuck under that trailer and was then dragged 16 miles. take a listen here as the mother, the driver, desperately begged for help. >> it was snow blinding. we ran into the back of a semi truck and he's not stopping and our car is embedded underneath of it. >> can you imagine? police luckily were able to flag down that truck driver. no one was seriously hurt. can the government force you to get chemotherapy against your will? the state supreme court in connecticut will try to answer that question. a 17-year-old is refusing to get treatment for her hodgkin's lymphoma. in november the department of children and family services in that state forced her to get treatment after two rounds she ran away from home. we've got a reporter to cover that story. >> ten thousand donations totaling more than $1 million in ten days, that is exactly how much money poured in to pay off the mortgages of the families twoof murdered nypd -- of two murdered nypd officers. >> what these letters say are, one we're going to pay off your mortgages immediately. [applause] >> for the grieving widows of wenjian liu and rafael ramos fighting back tears as they accept more than $1 million dollars. >> those families are going to be changed forever. believe me i know they don't have to worry about making a payment ever. so we want to give that to these two families because they deserve it. >> officers liu and ramos were executed on december 20 while they satin side their patrol -- sat inside their patrol car in new york city. >> heather, thank you. word is the rift between the nypd and mayor de blasio can only be saved by one man: bill clinton. that's who it is. details straight ahead. >> then a developing story overnight. the pentagon announcing it's closing more of our military bases overseas. really? is this a good time to be doing that to our military? >> first a look from paris where thousands are standing strong in the face of terror. stay tuned. we're not going anywhere. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ you're only young once. unless you have a subaru. 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>> at the end of the line he's holding the door open for the students. it's a word of encouragement came out of my mouth and i said to him remember the first will be last, the last will be first. >> my dad used to say that to me all the time because i was last in line. you said that to him and he said where's that come from eventually? >> later on that day he stopped me dead in my tracks and looked up at me and said first last, last first. i said you don't know where it comes from he said no. i said it comes from the bible. >> what did you do? >> that's what started it. it seemed like on a regular pattern he would stop, talk to me, where it was found. eventually i realized this kid was serious, so i said listen, i'll make a note to myself, i'll find out where it is. i explained to him where it was in matthew and mark and luke. i thought that was going to be the end of it, but it wasn't. he continued to pursue that, to speak with me until one day i happened to have my bible with me. i read it during lunch and it hit me when he stopped me. i said here it is right here. i said to him here you go. >> you gave the kid a bible. >> you said you didn't have one. you wanted one. >> hiram somebody at the school found out and fired him. >> amazing. it takes 45 minutes for you to get called into the principal's office and they had confiscated the contraband -- the bible. >> they had circulated a memo at the school be on the lookout for the gideons, they may be circulated. they were on the lookout for you. you did it, and you were in their cross hairs. boom! you're out. >> i couldn't have put it any better. >> what's really wild is the school district had this allergic reaction to the bible. when walt was just handing the bible to the kid for an academic reason, but because he is a member of the gideons, and they knew that, they jumped to some conclusions and came after him. >> the equal employment opportunity council has said that the school broke the law. and so you would think that that's good news but the school is vowing to fight it; right? >> yeah. the school has been telling the press they're going to continue to fight and they're going to appeal. as these events unfold, we'll have people go to libertyinstitute.org to learn more of the updates as they continue on. >> walt, what's the matter with the school here? what don't they get? >> that's a good question. you think about it, having gone through this various meetings and so forth, it would come out that this is strictly for academic purposes. the student approached me. his curiosity wanted to know about this verse. we just dealt with that one verse. >> you weren't preaching anything. you were simply answering a question, which is what you want a teacher to do. by the way, we reached out to the phillipsburg middle school but have not received a response. we'll keep you posted. walter, thank you. we should point out he is working in another school district. hiram, thank you for coming in. 28 minutes after the top of the hour. captured on dash cam police officers ambushed during an arrest. how the shootout ended coming up next. they refused to be censored and paid for it with their lives. so how should news outfits respond to these terrorists in france who are attacking free speech? 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>> fox news judicial analyst judge andrew napolitano responds. what should the response be? >> just as your response was yesterday, in my opinion. the remedy for the suppression of speech is not silence, not fear. it is more speech. yesterday you guys very courageously showed those cartoons which supposedly provoked these monsters. >> we showed them for two and a half hours. >> correct. when the news media in this country or elsewhere responds to tragedies like this by not exercising freedom of speech, what does that do? it encourages this stuff. it shows these monsters the effect they can have. but when the news media does what "fox & friends" did and what the fox news channel did and what a lot of american media have done and we think i feel safer in america than they do in france, to show the freedom of speech cannot be suppressed by a couple of -- >> because when that happens and people back off, the terrorists win? >> yes. yes, absolutely. i was saying during the break, i was in paris in june for a vacation. i had no idea that the police i saw were not armed. i know some of of the police are armed but a lot of them are not. and the ordinary cop that you see in paris is not armed. >> by the way in new york, they are. some had to leave because they had no guns and heard the shooting go on which is unbelievable. to your point, the muslim terrorists have a hit list. guess who is crossed off that hit list. look at inspire magazine. they can cross off the editor of that newspaper. a satirical newspaper. are we comfortable trying to avoid being on that hit list or being crossed off that hit list? >> particularly when some government officials give warnings. yes, you're free to do what you want but is it the wise thing to do is the question? >> that's what jay carney said. >> two years ago exactly. >> jay carney should not be giving warnings like that. the government has no business whatsoever telling us how to exercise our freedom of speech. and it is courage that will win. fear will not win. fear will lead to the suppression of liberty. fear will lead to wrong decisions. fear will lead to suppressing freedom. >> let's keep this in perspective. declaration of independence, everybody who signed that was on a hit list. they were going to be killed and hanged but said they would rather die than live under their current rule. >> did you think when we took these jobs -- this is my 17th year at fox this month. did you think when we took these jobs there would be a safety aspect to it? that we would have to worry about what we would say for fear of death? i don't worry about that. >> benjamin franklin did say whoever would overthrow the liberty of a nation let's begin by subduing freedom of speech. >> 17 years ago there was no global war on terror? >> 17 years ago my hair was naturally dark. >> so was mine. >> i wasn't supposed to say that. >> judge, thank you very much. >> pleasure guy. >> 17 years ago my hair was naturally dark. >> i was in high school. heather nauert? >> i was in diapers 17 years ago. >> love you mrs. nauert. >> good morning to you. i've got news to bring you. this news just coming in to "fox & friends," frightening video shows cops being ambushed in a hail of bullets. [gunfire] >> that just shows what they go through on a daily basis. in a worst-case scenario the video was from new year's eve in seattle. it was just released. three officers dealing with a separate domestic dispute and then a stranger with a gun pulls up and opened fire on those officers. the police duck and cover and then they return fire as that gunman takes off. the officers including a nine-year veteran, were not hurt. the gunman is still on the loose this morning in the seattle area. here in new york, bubba to the rescue. police union heads think former president bill clinton may be the one to answer the rift between nypd and city hall. they say he is a good mediator. tensions still high in the city after two more officers were shot in the banks while trying to nab a couple of armed robbery suspect. jason polanco is charged with five counts of attempted murder. his accomplice joshua kemp under arrest. in the meantime, one of those police officers detective aliro pellerano was given a hero's farewell as he left the hospital. his partner dossi is recovering from gunshot wounds. >> want to be a lawmaker in california? you may have to take a drug test. candidates running for state governor and governor will have to undergo drug tests. this one is the first big awards show of the season. >> and the people's choice for favorite tv show is open envelope. the big bang theory. >> for the fourth year in a row the big bang theory winning. robert downey winning two trophies. betty white stole the show. twitter went wild as she stepped on the stage to accept her prize for favorite tv icon. >> when the first guest tonight came up on stainl and she said she'd stay on stage with us as long as you let her, well, you abused the privilege with me. >> betty white turns 93 next week. how about that? can you imagine being here at 93, on the fox news channel, the curvy couch? >> if we're 93, you would probably be 22. >> the best guest we ever had on the show. >> i actually remember that, but i remember maria is doing the weather and in the weather. >> it is cold out here. you factor in the wind and the current wind chill temperature in new york city is 7 degrees below zero. in buffalo, new york, 14 degrees below zero. you even have cold wind chill temperatures through parts of georgia in atlanta single digit wind chill temperatures. we have advisories around warning stretching down through central florida and texas. they will stay through friday morning. friday morning in the teens in new york city. saturday morning still cold and sunday morning still cold as well across portions of the eastern united states. we have lake-effect snow warnings in effect out there across upstate new york. stay safe on the roads. let's head back inside. >> it would have to be warmer to snow. >> too cold for the snow. coming up straight head, one of these politicians just made a big move that's got everybody talking about 2016. >> which of the three? the president busy praising his auto recovery. >> last year american auto workers churned out cars faster than any year since 2005. >> well, there's one problem for the president. the car factory he's at right there closed. up next, the former chrysler c.e.o. has a message for the president. ♪ my name is daniel. i have diabetic nerve pain. the pain felt like my feet were on fire. i had these very burning needle-like sensations. i knew i needed to see a doctor. my doctor said, "let's try lyrica." lyrica has helped relieve my pain. it's known that diabetes damages nerves lyrica is fda-approved to treat diabetic nerve pain. lyrica is not for everyone. it may cause serious allergic reactions, or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these new or worsening depression, or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing rash, hives, blisters, changes in eyesight including blurry vision, muscle pain with fever tired feeling, or skin sores from diabetes. common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs and feet. don't drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don't drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. having less pain... it's a great feeling. ask your doctor about lyrica today. it's specific treatment for diabetic nerve pain. a a a a a a a news time. let's talk politics. more signs pointing to 2016. texas governor rick perry scheduling a trip to new hampshire next month. details of the trip are unknown but mr. perry has expressed interest in making a presidential run. done that on this show. meanwhile, wisconsin governor scott walker reportedly hiring a campaign manager. within the next few weeks walker is also said to be forming a leadership pac like jeb bush did. it is rumored new jersey governor chris christie will announce his presidential plans this month. he previously said he'd make any announcement in march or february. now it looks like january. brian? >> president obama promoted an auto recovery but there's just one problem. >> over the past five years this industry created about 500,000 new jobs. [applause] >> last year american auto workers churned out cars faster than any year since 2005. ford has brought jobs back from mexico created nearly 24,000 new jobs across this country, including 1,800 new jobs right here in this plant. >> that's true. but there's one problem. the ford factory he touted is closed. joining us with his thoughts is the former chairman and c.e.o. of chrysler and during the crisis he is in the eye of the storm running that company. that was taken from america and given to fiat in italy. the president's remarks yesterday, were they accurate? >> somewhat. this year we'll do 14.4 million -- 16.4 million vehicles. >> the president was in front of a plant that builds small cars and hybrid carses but the market forces say we don't want those cars. >> with fuel prices down the consumer decides what cars they're going to buy. they're buying trucks, they're buying s.u.v.'s. it's an interesting set of dynamics. a richer mix. the car companies love it because it's better margin but it will be directly opposed to the cafe standards to try to meet the 2020 fuel efficiency targets. >> cost of the bailout for the big three $9.2 billion. ford didn't need the money. g.m. needed the money. and chrysler was told you're going to keep the tarp money and go ahead we're going to have fiat buy you. you're running chrysler. you had a feasibility study and they told you you had no say in keeping the company an american company? >> it is a very sensitive point for me because when i was there -- and again hats off to the men and women of chrysler. they did a fabulous job. you look at december they were up 16% more than any of the other three manufacturers here in the united states. i absolutely believe that our team had a viability plan that was acceptable but, yes probably the greatest american give-away i've seen. >> give-away? >> i've seen in my 40-plus years. >> people are glossing over the fact that chrysler was forced to be sold to fiat who probably would be bankrupt right now if our government didn't force that sale and tell you guys you're out of luck. >> sale is maybe a little misnomer. give-away. while the chrysler team was there, we took $5 billion of cost out, unfortunately had to furlough families, we shuttered five factories, sold a billion dollars of nonearning assets and put the platforms in place that are driving the profitability and volume for chrysler today. >> for fiat. >> not for where chrysler as we knew it. what's your message to the president? >> i think the bailout was absolutely necessary. it would have been cataclysmic for our industry, for the u.s. and so forth, the number of jobs lost suppliers shut down. i think that that was the right thing. i think now back off, let the industry let the car manufacturers do what they're doing so well meeting customer demands. >> stay out of it. the other thing to keep in mind is the tarp money given chrysler if you were running the company i imagine that money would have been back like g.m. gave back. fiat never paid it back. >> our viability plan, we had to show dollar one repayment. that was not the case in the transfer of chrysler in the second-largest facility in the united states behind the pentagon. we cleaned up thaler network. it was a real gift. >> bob nardelli nice to talk to you. 11 minutes before the top of the hour. coming up straight ahead, more than a thousand illegals arrested last year come from other countries with terrorist ties. where are they now? we are tracking terror next. what do americans want in 2015? less gridlock in washington? a pollster here to break down those numbers. ♪ hello... i'm an idaho potato farmer and our big idaho potato truck is still missing. so my buddy here is going to help me find it. here we go. woo who, woah, woah, woah. it's out there somewhere spreading the word about america's favorite potatoes: heart healthy idaho potatoes and the american heart association's go red for women campaign. if you see it i hope you'll let us know. always look for the grown in idaho seal. a fox news alert. in the wake of a deadly terrorist attack this paris a brand-new report showing more than 1,000 illegals arrested last year were from 12 of the 14 countries with known terrorist ties. what do we really know about these people and where are they now? big questions for you. joining us to weigh in on this is the director of policy studies at the center for immigration studies, jessica vaughn. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> so if that first statistic doesn't open everybody's eyes, when you see this next set of numbers, it will make your heart thump. 257,000-plus of the 486,651 illegals apprehended were from countries other than mexico. when you look closely, you've got afghanistan algeria, saudi arabia, and syria all mapped out here. four of those countries. why are they cause for concern in your opinion? >> well, because the rise of isis and other groups that are making it part of their mission to train and support people to come to the united states to attack us. this is a very real threat. and we have had some experience recently with people from some of the countries named here who have tried to carry out terrorist attacks against our country and against americans. so our border with mexico is important because clearly the word is out around the world that that is our achille's heel. but if you can cross overt southwest border and get into the united states, you have the opportunity to live here and attack us. that's exactly what some of the groups are doing. >> that border looking more like a sieve. where are they now? >> well, that's a good question. the government isn't really saying. but typically the policy under the obama administration has been that when someone is apprehended by the border patrol who is not from mexico or canada, they're offered the opportunity to apply for political asylum and typically released with an -- did she and issued a work permit and told to come back at some point in the future for an immigration hearing. we also know from past experience that the majority of people don't show up for those hearings. so they basically melt into the illegal population and most of them are coming here to work or to join family. but we do know, of course that some of the people who do that are here either for criminal purposes or possibly as part of a terrorist organization. so this is a real concern that we don't have an effective or efficient deportation policy. instead, we're just releasing people on an honor system to come back for a hearing at some point and allowing them to work here in the meantime. >> there is actually a 70 to 80% no show when it comes to those returning for that trial and reassess am. jessica vaughn, we want to thank you from the center for immigration studies for joining "fox & friends." thank you. >> thank you. concerning. coming up, the happiest place on earth making some kids and parents very unhappy this morning. can you say mickey mouse and measles? one restaurant about to get rid of tipping all together. but not everyone is happy about it. ♪ ♪ ♪ music ♪ ...the getaway vehicle! for all the confidence you need. td ameritrade. you got this. good morning. today is thursday, january 8. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. we begin with a fox news alert. overnight one extremist surrenders to the police for the terrorist attack that left 12 people dead in paris. now a massive manhunt is underway for two more suspects brothers with a more than disturbing past. meanwhile, how is the left responding to these muslim extremists? >> i stopped calling these people muslim terrorists. they're about as muslim as i am. i think isis a cult. not an islamic cult. >> 12 people dead. they're still worried about being politically correct? we'll explain. do you give people the benefit of the doubt when they swear they're telling you the truth? before you say yes watch this. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> i'm not a crook. >> read my lips. >> if you like your doctor you'll be able to keep your doctor. >> that's right. but despite our history, there might be more reasons than ever to trust your fellow americans. we're going to explain. you're watching "fox & friends" live from new york city on this thursday. yesterday we were doing our show, having a pretty normal show for a wednesday and then we saw the terror that struck in france. now we're in manhunt mode. breaking news out of paris. a policewoman shot dead one day after the massacre targeting journalists at the newspaper office as we've been speaking about. another person, street sweeper, was also shot, but here is some good news. he will survive. there is no indication this new shooting was connected to yesterday's attack. >> and nearly 300 miles to the east of paris, an explosion rocks a restaurant near a mosque. no injuries have been reported in that attack. this as a french media is reporting shots were fired at a gas station where the two armed terrorists wanted for yesterday's shooting are believed to have been spotted. amy kellogg is live in london with the very latest. what can you tell us? >> reporter: hi. that sighting in northern france is being taken quite seriously. however, it was a sighting at a gas station and reports were a couple of men and lots of weapons were in the car, possibly even a rocket launcher. all of that does sort of beg our belief because if you were trying to hide and flee you wouldn't necessarily be driving around with masks on. however, the police are taking it very seriously and apparently the car that was sighted by this gas station manager now is being tracked by helicopters in the sky. and that is how the men were seen yesterday, of course masked, and brazenly, efficiently entering the office of charlie hebdo and killing a dozen people including a muslim police officer they shot as they made their get away. one man's i.d. card was left behind in the get away car they ultimately aban daned. another was caught trying to board a plane in 2005. syria at that point being the jumping off place for iraq. then he was arrested and convicted in 2008 for helping get fighters to iraq. he was given a three-year sentence, but somehow only served 18 months of that according to reports. their affiliation is unclear. with witnesses saying they heard them say that they were with al-qaeda or possibly al-qaeda in yemen. an 18-year-old said to be the brother-in-law of one of the suspects, the major suspects, was also named as a suspect. he turned himself in to police last night. it's not clear what role he is suspected to have played in all of this. seven people were arrested in raids last night around the city. and paris is marking three days of national mourning for the 12 people killed yesterday. steve, brian and elisabeth. >> we thank you very much. speak of the 12 people killed yesterday, i'm sure you've seen that video where the bad guys get out of a car, actually that was involved in another crash after they had left the scene. it's this right here. as they go around -- and we fuzzed out -- in the middle, that's a police officer who was down. he had approached them earlier and was shot. he's begging for his life. as it turns out it appears he was muslim and he was talking to them save my life. they did not do that. they took his life right there. >> he went out of their way to took his life. they would rather risk getting caught than let him live. >> when you see them dressed in tactical gear, shouting they're avenging the prophet as they kill 12 in cold flood, when you hear the french president calling this immediately a terrorist attack without a doubt, you say everyone else is get not guilty line with that theory. well no. not like someone like howard dean on the left. he can't even utter the word to call these people extreme islamic terrorists. listen to this. >> this is a chronic problem. i stopped calling these people muslims terrorists. they're about as muslim as i am. they have no respect for anybody else's life. that's not what the koran says. and europe has an enormous radical problem and e-- i think isis is a cult not an islamic cult. >> well, listen, howard dean keep in mind what the terrorist said. they said, we have avenged the prophet, mohammed, because this particular magazine published the cartoons of them. we can't be afraid of words. just call it what it is. if they're avenging for the prophet mohammed, clearly this was radical islam. it's that simple. >> he's either taking a politically correct popsicle before saying that or completely in denial. it's got to be one of the two. there are many people -- >> pc. >> that denial is dangerous. one of them would be american islamic foreign representative for democracy said this. this is something we need to be able to get a grip on. >> do these people ever listen to themselves and realize that the american people are not fools, that ultimately we realize there is a problem and you wonder if the dean or democratic party is for denial. you can't address a problem unless you identify it. the strategy of appeasement and don't call it islam or jihad that's not work. it's emboldening the terrorists to say they do own the muslim community, that they are going to radicalize through the internet, through mosques and other places and they are going to spread their message. >> see, people should grab a globe or lay out a hagstrom and color the areas in which this so-called muslim extremism which is a cult, according to howard dean, is spreading. northern africa, gone of the libya, gone. if you look at what's happened to the middle east, there is this thing called the isis which has formed itself into a state. now all these areas are areas in which these terrorists train to be lethal weapons. they look like a swat team yesterday in taking out that newspaper. on top of that, we seem to be taking our time in looking the threat that's mounting overseas and saying well, it's their problem. the people understand what happened in canada australia and 9-11, what almost happened with the subway bomber, with the times square bomber. all of this is muslim extremists. for example, one was on sean hannity last night. this guy is the one who was in britain cheering for 9-11 said that the officer rigby deserved to be executed and beheaded in the street. he was on with sean hannity saying i want sharia law. that's what's coming to america. >> we want the sharia. the sharia it -- >> in every country. and to you, i want short answers. to you, this is the true islam? this is islam? >> of course. >> no criticizing the prophet? >> of course. >> those that are apostates that once were muslim but convert to say, christianity, you believe those people should die right? >> well, i believe that -- sharia court they are found guilty of apostating, then that happens -- >> then the penalty for that is death, in your view. you're agreeing. and infidels -- >> that's correct yes. >> okay. so he is an extremist. there is no doubt. you listened to that. that's very clear. a former islamic extremist was on the channel and what he said was very interesting. while america, you know we seem to just be paying attention to what's going on here, what is happening in europe right now is very, very serious. >> we currently have more british born and more european born and raised muslims who are foreign fighters than ever before. this is a phenomenon at a scale we've never seen in the past, not even in afghanistan. it's an emergency and the only way through this is through having open and candid conversation. >> absolutely. one of the other things is the fact that it is so easy to travel between the countries in europe given the way the e.u., european union, is set up, that's one of the worries is these guys just zip across the border. right now the manhunt is on, first terrorist attack in 50 years in france. >> they're not waiting for inspire magazine to show up. they have social media to get their message out and give the go sign no matter where you are. >> that magazine just crossed off the photo of the ed tore. >> he was -- editor. >> he was on the hit list. we'll continue to bring more of this terror in paris this morning. in the meantime we'll turn to heather nauert with more of what's happening this morning. >> good morning. a really frightening situation to tell you about here in new york city. overnight, it's another fox news alert. breaking overnight, an unhinged man shouts i want to kill cops, while he tries to mow down police officers in new york city. a silver audi coming inches from two port authority officers working outside the holland tunnel. one of the officers making a split second decision that saved his life. he leaped out of the way of that oncoming car. police finding synthetic pot inside that car. that driver named matthew cash reportedly confessed to police and also said he was high on angel dust at the time. we'll keep you posted on any developments there. this picture will send a chill down your spine. look at this. a mini van in michigan carrying a family of four sliding right into the back of a moving tractor-trailer in whiteout conditions. the weather has been so bad the last few days. that van got stuck under that truck and was dragged for 16 miles. take a listen as the mother desperately begged for help. >> it was so blinding, we ran into the back of a semi truck and he's not stopping and our car is imbedded underneath of it. >> can you imagine that? 16 miles. police were finally able to flag down that truck driver. amazingly, no one was seriously hurt. despite the threat of a veto from president obama congress is moving full steam ahead to pass the keystone pipeline. republican congressman kevin kramer planning to bring the bill to a vote as early as tomorrow. he says that even though the bill may not become law, the president's unwillingness to cooperate could cost them big time. >> you know it would have been better if he would have said okay, i give. or okay, you won the election. the people have spoken. or even if he would have said okay let's talk. but saying hell no, i won't go is not a great way to kick off a new relationship. >> the presidential veto can only be overridden by two-thirds majority in the house and senate. democrats vowed that will not happen. those are your headlines. i'll see you back here. >> not all democrats. some are supporting it. just maybe get to 67. that might be tough. >> we'll see what happens. you saw those bullet holes in the window of that police cruiser right there in yesterday's terrorist attack in paris. our next guest noticed something else. in this picture that tells much more of a sinister story. they'll share that next. plus, what do americans want from washington in 2015? frank luntz here to break down the numbers. what you really want and whether the politicians will follow through. that's frank shopping online is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple? thanks to angie's list now it is. start shopping online from a list of top-rated providers. visit angieslist.com today. of fox news alert. there is new information this morning on the muslim killers who murdered 12 people at a paris newspaper office. information that only an expert would spot by taking a very close look at this limited tape. this is the managing director of the world's first counter extremist organization. he was on the u.k.'s task force in the wake of the 2005 london bombing and know what is to look for and joins us from london. let's start with there have been a lot of observations here. the killers seemed calm, cool and collected. you looked at the tape and some of the things you saw, first off, gloves. those gloves in particular tell what you that they were wearing? >> first of all, there were a number of things. they looked like they were wearing tactical gloves. tactical gloves are something that an ordinary person who has not had military training wouldn't be able to use with those type of rifles. secondly, the way that the bullets were grouped together, the way that the guns were very clearly, they were automatic rifles, but set on semiautomatic settings, which is training that somebody going through military training would receive and they would not waste bullets and only fire them in bursts of two or three. these clues give evidence that these guys have had some serious training somewhere in the world and knew what they were doing and knew how to carry out an attack of this kind. and also knew how to make their escape. that's also a very important -- this is a real game changer because these guys weren't there to die. in the past we've seen jihadi terrorists look to blow themselves up and kill others. these guys looked to make an escape and they're still on the loose. >> absolutely. because they wore masks. they weren't planning to go in there and stay there, martyr themselves. they were planning on getting away and, you know, drifting back into society. >> absolutely. potentially carrying out other attacks as well. there is some claims that these guys have been abroad in the past. we certainly know that the younger of the two brothers in 2005 was arrested for facilitating people to go out and become foreign fighters in iraq. >> he's a convicted terrorist. >> he was sentenced in 2008 for 18 months did some time and both of these brothers were known to the agencyies in france. they have seriously dropped the ball on this. >> what do you mean france dropped the ball? >> well, they knew that these guys were people of concern. they knew that these guys were two people that were serious potential terrorists. one of them was a convicted terrorist and these guys were looking to go out to iraq and syria. these guys should have been going through some form of rehabilitation or even deradicalization program, which is something that they don't actual will he do in france, which i don't understand. if somebody is showing sympathy or support for extremeism there needs to be one of two types of intervention. one is you lock them up. if they're a clear danger to society, you lock them up. if they haven't quite got to the stage where they are ready and able to carry out a terrorist activity, there has to be some sort of process of trying to deradicallize them at least. if you don't, all we're doing is trying to monitor these people and monitor their associates and friends. that's a huge task for agencies. so i think that's something that the french authorities have seriously made some mistakes. but again it's difficult to do. but it's not entirely their fault, i guess. >> joining us with perspective that a a lot of us didn't realize when we were looking at that video. thank you for joining us today from london. >> my pleasure. coming up, they're in the country illegally. but now they can get a license to drive a car and this morning we know just how many licenses have been handed out this year alone. wait 'til you hear the number. plus what do americans want in the coming year? how about less gridlock in washington. i think we can all get along with that. also frank luntz here to break down the numbers. you're watching "fox & friends." ♪ ♪ -seltzer plus presents the cold truth. i have a cold, with terrible chest congestion. better take something. i'll catch up later. awww... truth is, theraflu severe cold doesn't treat chest congestion. really? new alka-seltzer plus day powder rushes relief to your worst cold symptoms plus chest congestion. oh, what a relief it is. here we go! woooo! woooo! and now, alka-seltzer plus has a complete line of powders to treat your worst cold symptoms. does a freshly printed presentation fill you with optimism? then you might be gearcentric. right now, all printers are on sale. plus great deals on hp ink and toner. office depot & officemax. gear up for great. time for news by the numbers. 1 million. that's how many american corporations have shut down since the height of the reagan era. a whopping 60,000 per year. the tax foundation blaming the rising corporate tax rate. illegal the applied for driver's licenses. officials say they could expect 1.4 million people to apply. that will be great news for the roads. $35,000 a year. that's how much employees at a restaurant in pittsburgh will get paid once tipping is banned. that's happening in april. employees will get benefits and a share in the company, but not everyone will be happy. some menu prices could go up. the president told the american people, i hear you, after democrats embarrassing defeat in last november elections. now with republicans in control of congress, it seems the only word coming out of the white house is the v word. >> it seems with every new day we have a new veto threat from the president. >> i recognize in your mind that may raise questions about the president's willingness to work with republicans and it raises questions about the republicans' willingness to work with the president. >> with an attitude like that can anything get done? frank luntz joins me with what the american people would like to see happen. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> so we're going to start off with some questions. it's clear what the white house doesn't want. it's c wants. i want to know what the american people want. so first question here, what strategy do americans want the gop-controlled congress to pursue? what did you find out? >> we found out -- by the way, this poll was done for each american dream. we found the american people overall, they still want the republicans in congress to stand up for principle but they want things to get done. they are prepared to -- let me rephrase that -- to cooperate and to seek common ground. the public is saying get it done. stop bickering and find some way to end wasteful government spending, to bring efficiency and accountability to washington, and most importantly, to focus on those issues that improve the day-to-day quality of life of all americans and stop fighting. >> and interesting to know those that answered this poll voted in the election there. so i think they're obviously paying attention here. in terms of priority what were their priorities? it says what, high priority item voters want addressed. this is interesting because over half of the gop wanted to focus on wasteful spending right? >> that's what's fascinating is that democrats have a completely different agenda. the democratic party is looking at climate change. the democratic party is looking at union issues. the republican party just wants to insure that every tax dollar is spent wisely, effectively efficiently, accountably. and what they're not looking for -- and i find this interesting -- the keystone pipeline, which is the very first thing that's coming up in congress, while it's important and while it affects energy independence, it's not a high priority for americans. they want tax reform. they want tax simpleification. they want to know that their hard-earned dollars these hard working taxpayers, they want to know that they are spent in an effective way. so, when it's all done, they will measure this congress by whether it was able to cut wasteful washington spending, restore efficiency and effectiveness, and hold the white house and washington accountable for what they do. it's a pretty clear message. >> clear indeed. you're always clear with us. glad to have you here, of course. >> thank you. >> we'll see you soon. well, they have terror ties. but the president held back from saying the paris killers were muslim extremists. watch. >> believe in freedom of expression is something that can't be -- because the senseless violence. >> of the few. does this soft talk embolden our enemy? former new york city mayor rudy guiliani live with that next. 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wouldn't have used the word communism or john kennedy wouldn't have used the word communism and described them as a senseless enemy. this is not a -- first of all that's totally inaccurate. this is not a senseless enemy. this is an enemy with sense. they have an ideology. they have a philosophy. you can call it a distortion of a religion which it is but it's still an ideology that they follow. it is around the world. they are able to do organized attacks. they were able to do lone wolf attacks. they're able to inspire people to kill. this looked like a very well-trained group. these people had training. >> yep. >> i think it's a terrible mistake. first of all, it's a sign of weakness and secondly, it doesn't organize the world against them and start to isolate the more moderate muslims and give them a place to comment and speak out. >> we just had an expert that said france clearly dropped the ball. one of them was a convicted terrorist. for our president yesterday not to mention islamic extremism, we shouldn't be surprised. he hasn't done it in the past. even though we've heard from the eyewitness accounts, the terrorists yesterday said we have avenged the prophet talking about mohammed talking about the fact that that particular newspaper published those cartoons. so clearly it is islamic extremism. why won't our president call it that? >> i mean, we've been talking about this for five years. lucky he didn't call it workplace violence, right? >> the spokesperson did call it violence and then about a half hour later yeah terrorism. >> but the reality is whether the president wants to recognize it or not, they are at war with us. it is world wide. we are at risk all over the world and the president should be leading a world wide effort against them in order to organize our allies so that we can fight them more effectively so that we share intelligence in a more focused way. when you understand your enemy, you can pursue them better. when you don't, then you make a lot of the terrible mistakes that you've seen this administration make over the last four or five years. >> mr. mayor, you mentioned sense, that this is not senseless. this is sense and the foundation there and everyone is trying to wrap their brain around what this religion, what extremism really is. imam choudary was with sean hannity and he says it means submission. watch. >> the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet. >> islam does not mean peace. it means submission. >> he wants world wide submission. >> that we can live peacefully together. >> if enslaved, yet. >> so you want islam fascism. >> obviously they will react toward them. >> so you take that and combine it with the issue that we have with foreign fighters, the terrorist attack that we have right now, we're looking at in france, where do we go from here mr. mayor? you more than anyone know, understand security and the threat to this nation. do we increase surveillance now at places like mosques? what's your position right now? >> i think, for example mayor de blasio taking the police out of the mosques in new york was one of the more irrational acts that a mayor could perform. you talked about the 1993 attack on the world trade center. actually it was the year i was running for mayor. i wasn't the mayor. that was organized in a mosque in new jersey. when i was mayor and when i was a united states attorney, because i have been fighting islamic terrorism for 35 years i surveil. would any priest or rabbi have the slightest problem with a police officer being at a service? i would think not. i think they feel comfortable with a police officer. so if you're uncomfortable with police officers at your service, you must be saying things that are dangerous. you should want to welcome people to a religious service. i think we should be surveilling mosques. i think we should cut out the political correctness. this is islamic extremist terrorism. it's not the entire muslim religion. and the faster we do that the more we're going to organize moderate muslims to have the courage to speak out against it. >> i hope you're right. >> we used to know what's going on in iraq. we don't know that anymore. we used to know what's going on in mosques. we don't know about that anymore. we're not interrogating anybody anymore. not a good combination. thank you so much. >> thank you very much and you're absolutely right. >> 23 minutes now before the top of the hour. heather nauert has got some headlines. >> good morning. i've got an update on a story we've been bringing you. even though a female student wrongly accused a group of frat boys of rape, the university of virginia is now requiring what they call sober monitors at all fraternity parties there. under those regulations, three brothers of that fraternity must stay sober. one must monitor the bedrooms and another has to have the keys to alt rooms in the house. kegs and mixed drinks are also forbidden, they say. what do you think of that? the happiest place on earth apparently is making some kids and their parents pretty unhappy. at least nine people who visited disneyland in california between december 15 and the 20 are now sick with measles. six of the patients sickened were not vaccinated. three more suspected cases are now being monitored. disney says it's working with the health department to figure this whole thing out. veterans say this is a slap in the face after a two-year legal battle, a north carolina city agreeing to remove a statute of a praying soldier and a christian flag from a veterans memorial. americans united for separation of church and state filed a lawsuit on behalf of one city resident who complained that the city was promoting christianity. the city council was then forced to settle the suit because it says it simply couldn't afford the legal cost. those are your headlines. we're headed outside to maria with really cold weather out there. hi there. >> hi there. i've got a new hat on. it's actually our co-worker's karen's. it's keeping me warm. we have extreme cold across the eastern half of the country. take a look at some of these current windchill temperatures. in new york city currently it feels like 8 below zero. 26 below in chicago and in boston, it feels like 21 below zero. even across portion of georgia cold windchills as well, below zero in atlanta. atlanta, georgia, you do also have some windchill advisories in effect there, all the way down to parts of central florida and southern texas. that's because we're look at the risk for hypothermia and frostbite, which in several minutes due to the cold. the next few mornings, it will remain cold. that's the story here. look at friday morning, by saturday morning temperatures are still chilly out there. single digits in louisville, kentucky, for saturday morning. by sunday morning you're look at temperatures in the teens. in raleigh, north carolina, waking up cold through the weekend. we do have lake effect snow. looking at one to two feet of snow possible out there. those warnings are in effect. then we have a quick-moving clipper moving through portion of the northern plains. we have advisories and blizzard warnings in effect. not so much because of the amount of snow but because of very strong winds, gusting up to 50 miles per hour. let's head back inside. >> allall right. nanuk of new york. we thank you very much for that live report. >> how nice is karen to offer her hat. >> 20 minutes before the top of the hour. do you give people the benefit of the doubt when they swear they're telling the truth? before you say yes, watch. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> i'm not a crook. >> if you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor. >> despite that, john stossel says you've got more reason than ever to trust people now. as we trust he walks over here. then, guess what this guy is in trouble for. his shirt tells it all. the seriously stupid move coming up next. >> that says it all if he would just turn around [cheering] everything okay? we're here because you're about to have a heart attack. pete's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today his doctor has him on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. hello... i'm an idaho potato farmer and our big idaho potato truck is still missing. so my buddy here is going to help me find it. here we go. woo who, woah, woah, woah. it's out there somewhere spreading the word about america's favorite potatoes: heart healthy idaho potatoes and the american heart association's go red for women campaign. if you see it i hope you'll let us know. always look for the grown in idaho seal. welcome back. we've got quick headlines. a california dad arrested for hosting a booze-fueled birthday party for his teenage daughter. police saying nearly 200 people were inside the house. many of them underage, including two drunk boys who were unconscious. and this guy may be dumb but at least he's honest. he read a shirt that says, ho needs drugs? i have drugs. well, he really did and was arrested for pot and meth. >> great. do you ever get the feeling you just can't trust people anymore? if so i guess you can't take my word for it. so take a look at the numbers. back in 1972 nearly half of the americans polled said they trusted each other. 46%. three decades later that number has slipped to 32% in the trust department. >> the loss of faith extending beyond suspicion of strangers to wall street and washington. >> i did not have sexual relations with that woman. >> i'm not a crook. >> read my lips. >> if you like your doctor, you'll be able to keep your doctor. >> oops. so who or what can we trust as americans these days? let's ask john stossel, host of "stossel" on the "fox business" network. where are we at with trust now as compared to then? >> it's reasonable we trust people less. certainly we shouldn't trust power hungry politicians. but we used to live in communities or with family and you knew everybody. you knew who you could trust and who you couldn't. >> word would get around. >> like "cheers," everybody knew your name. >> when asked, the percentage of all respondents dropped from 46% in 1972 to 32% just a couple years ago. >> more people live in cities where they're exposed to many more people. buff the good news is thanks to the internet, we can check now. there are just all these wonderful rating systems. task rabbit. this is a business where you punch in a chore you want done, drive my kids to school mop my floor. why would you trust some stranger with your kids? >> because you can verify with reviews. >> they're rated and if they're not good same way with uber, if he doesn't drive well, he gets a bad rating. >> we had this conversation at our house this past weekend because we went to a restaurant and some chicken came. it was pink on the inside. we sent it back. you know what? the chef came out had a little argument with us. but then fixed it and we got a free dessert because they're afraid that we would give a bad review on yelp or open table or something like that. so in addition to more trust and more voices getting together, they're worried about that. >> there is some accountability there. >> and no one gets rich in private enterprise treating their customers badly. so business always had an incentive to get that need right and not argue with you. but now they have much more incentive. but the department of business regulation is unlikely to help. this feedback system, that protects you much better than government ever would. >> could that be the focus of your show tonight? >> it is. trust. all forms of trust and how it works. >> i think it's great. >> john, we trust if you would like to watch it, it's on fox business. to find it in your area, go to foxbusiness.com/channel finder. trust us you'll find it. >> i trust you. >> by the way if you see the doocys in a restaurants, he does not like pink chicken. >> it was not just pink. it was raw on the inside. then the guy comes over i'm telling you, it's 160 degrees. >> was he holding a knife? >> i don't know. >> was it wolfgang puck? >> trust me, it was not. straight ahead while the world mourns the 12 lives lost in the paris attack yesterday at this time, some in the liberal media already criticizing the victims for drawing the cartoons. it's true. is that fair? editorial cartoonist is not afraid to defend his right to free speech joins us next. first on this day in history in 2010 tesha had the number one song in america with "tick toc." ♪ ♪ introducing the new philips norelco shaver series 9000 with contour detect technology that flexes in 8 directions for the perfect shave at any angle. go to philips.com/new to save up to $40. innovation and you. philips norelco. i've smoked a lot and quit a lot but ended up nowhere. now...i use this. the nicoderm cq patch with unique extended release technology helps prevent the urge to smoke all day. i want this time to be my last time. that's why i choose nicoderm cq. you're hearing it, seeing it. as countless people across the country -- by the way go out to mourn after the 9-11-like attacks that took place yesterday that killed 12 and wounded 11 thoses attacked the newspaper because they didn't like the editor. >> just hours after those 12 people were assassinated, the financial times came out with an op ed, slamming the newspaper charlie hebdo the publication at the heart of the attack for quote, just being stupid. that's not the first time, when the paper was fire bombed in 2011, time magazine n an op ed, stated, quote, not only are charlie hebdo's islamphobic childish, but also openly beg for the very violent responses from extremists. >> really? shouldn't a free press be allowed to publish what they want without being murdered by muslim killers? joining us right now editorial cartoonist known for his defense of free speech michael ramirez. i think i know where you stand, but tell america where you stand on this. >> brian, the world ought to be outraged. frankly this despicable act of cowardice by these terrorists is not just an attack on these cartoonists. it's an attack on freedom and liberty against all freedom-loving people around the world. and whether you agree with these cartoons or not is immaterial. france has got a rich tradition of satire that goes back to voltaire in the 1700s and the 1800s. this right to express your beliefs, this freedom of expression is a universal right that all people around the world ought to have. frankly, you shouldn't be killed for it. >> absolutely. killed for a cartoon. a cartoon. and the terrorists said yesterday, we have avenged the prophet, referring to mohammed. clearly they're islamic extremists. they were angry that that particular magazine came out with things that mocked mohammed. you came out with a cartoon today that reflected what happened yesterday, didn't you? >> yes. the pen is mightier than the sword. frankly, these acts of barbarism, whether you agree with the cartoons or not should not stand -- freedom must endure. and they may have silenced a few pens, but they'll never extinguish the light of liberty. i think that's the important point that all cartoonists ought to make, is that this expression that we have the satire that we use, this freedom of expression is important in a self-governing society of free individuals. you have to have the power of information. you can only have that power if people can communicate. >> absolutely. >> and what about another cartoon you have from behind leading from behind? >> you know that cartoon is sort of on this belief from the administration that disengaging from the world is going to make the world a safer place. the president came out and said that the world is safer. it really isn't. that this war on there are is over. obviously from the events of yesterday, this war still exists. >> jay carney did say two years ago issues he said yeah, you can do that the people of the same magazine. but it's just not wise to do that and remember we condemned the producers of the video in benghazi. >> before go, did you ever in your wildest dreams believe that a dozen people would be killed over a cartoon? >> no. cartoons are sort of -- they're substantive messages wrapped in a humorous envelope to deliver a potent message. and people are emotionally engaged and invested in their political beliefs. so you're going to get hostility. but in a free civilized world, you ought to be able to communicate without these threats of violence. >> indeed. michael ramirez, joining us from irvine california. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me on. four minutes before the top of the hour. still ahead the fort hood terrorist yelled allahu akbar before shooting american soldiers and a man who ducked these bullets said it will keep happening unless we call it what it is. he'll join us live. one of these politicians made a big move that's got everybody talking about the next presidential election. who with it be? stick around. >> so curious every truck can tow a boat. every truck can climb a hill. every truck can haul a trailer. but not everyone can say they're the fastest-growing truck brand... in america. guts. glory. ram. good morning. today is thursday, january 8. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. a manhunt is underway right now for the terrorist who executed 12 people in an attack in paris. the big question this morning will these two mad men strike again? and what do you think? can the government force you to get a treatment, in particular chemotherapy, if you didn't want it? judges are expected to answer that question in a few hours. we've got both sides of a very personal debate regarding that young woman coming up. a mini van carrying a family of four crash noose a semi truck and then gets dragged for 16 miles. >> it was snow blinding. we ran into the back of a semi truck and he's not stopping and our car is imbedded underneath of it. >> wow. how that family survived that horrific accident. on a lighter note, put a smile on your face because mornings are better with friends. welcome, everybody. thank you for joining us. i think you know what we were talking about. >> that's right. we're going to this fox news alert in paris. a policewoman shot dead after the mass consider targeting journalists. another person a street sweeper was also shot but will survive. there is no indication that this new shooting was indeed connected to yesterday's terrorist attack. >> this is all new violence today. nearly 300 miles to the east of paris, an explosion has rocked a kabob restaurant near a mosque. no injuries have been reported. >> there is a lot of action over there. at this hour the two armed terrorists wanted for yesterday's shooting, believe it or not are still at large. french media reporting shots were fired at a gas station in northern france. where the suspects are believed to have been spotted, according to some. amy kellogg live in london with some brand-new information. amy? >> reporter: hi. according to the bbc and they are citing the gas station attendant who apparently saw what he believed were the two suspects from yesterday, these two guys actually robbed that gas station and that's why the fired. they stole gas and they stole food and they took off towards paris. the gas station attendant who reported this to police believed these were the two. police are look for. but given they were in masks it's hard to know if that's the case. the police are tracking the car that these two men were in and it's allegedly heading toward paris and this is a picture now of the gas station an hour from paris. all the action is over there now. obviously a police presence especially if there was an armed robbery. this for now is the only trace that we know of the only hot trace potentially of the two suspects in the public domain right now. the men who got away yesterday are clearly armed, dangerous, and we don't know what their further plans are. they killed 12 innocent people in broad daylight yesterday including satirical journalists whose job it was to mock everyone, from presidents to religious leaders, and the two terrorists gunned down a muslim police officer in their rampage. they were named last night. french citizens. the younger of the two, according to some reports, grew up in an orphanage outside paris, became a gym instructor before turning to radical islam and taking on the name. according to reports and became part of a cell. he did 18 months in jail starting in 2008, though his sentence was originally supposed to be three years. a third suspect named with them 18-year-old man turned himself in yesterday after learning he was wanted. half a dozen others were picked up in raids last night. it's not clear what those people's association with the two brothers is. and finally an editor from charlie hebdo who survived has said that charlie hebdo, despite all of this will publish next week. they will not be frightened by stupidity with the quote clearly they will not be able to publish where the crime took place in their headquarters. they normally release 60,000 editions a week. next week they'll be turning out a million. >> yeah. i bet you, they'll still be short. i bet everyone will buy one. thanks. >> strong message there. thank you. >> i just hope because these guy high school a get away plan they certainly had an execution plan. i'm just hoping that being that it's almost 24 hours now that they don't have a fail-safe escape plan. >> one of the differences in this -- how many times have we heard about terrorists who they go into a place with a bomb belt? they have no intention of leaving the place. but these guys, they were different. the way they moved what they were wearing the fact that they wanted to escape and melt back into society. we had on just about an hour ago, a man involved in the investigation into the london 2005 explosions and he had these observations about those two terrorists. listen to this. >> they looked like they were wearing tactical gloves and those are something that an ordinary person who has not had military training wouldn't be able to use with those type of rifles. they were automatic rifles but set on semiautomatic settings, which is training that somebody going through military training would receive and they would not waste bullets and they would only fire them in bursts of two or three. these are clues that further gave evidence that these guys have had some serious training. this is a real game changer because these guys weren't there to die. in the past we've seen jihadi terrorists look to blow themselves up and kill other people as well. these guys looked to make an escape. >> we went to afghanistan because they want to give our terrorists a place to train. when bin laden was in sudan we pressured the government to get rid of him. now they have a country to train in. now they have north africa to train in. now they have libya to train in. that's why you get these lethal swat teams. >> keep in mind what amy kellogg told us, the younger of the two brothers was a convicted terrorist. he was on their radar. was he being veiled? no. >> that's his past. >> they dropped the ball in perhaps. >> you see what happened. then in france, credit to the president who got in there right away and claimed this is a horrific terrorist attack, named it for what it was. you have professionals that were talking to those experienced in the field noting their tactical movements and weaponry saying this is someone who has been through military-type training, ties to terrorism here. so you would think that our president would actually fall in line with that. but no. he gives softer marks from the oval office, saying those were just the actions of just a few. how dismisssive can you get in watch. >> the values that we share with the french people, a belief a universal belief freedom of expression is something that can't be silenceed because of the senseless violence of a few. >> with this administration remember fort hood they called it workplace violence. yesterday josh earnest on television referred to it as violence. took him about a half hour before he would admit to bill hemmer that it was indeed terrorism. somebody who knows about terrorism is rudy guiliani. he was on with us just a little while ago. he said call it what it is. here he is. >> this is not a senseless enemy. this is an enemy with sense. they have an ideology. they have a philosophy. you can call it a distortion of a religion, which it is, but it's still an ideology that they follow. we are at risk all over the world and the president should be leading a world wide effort against them. we should cut out the political correctness. this is islamic extremist terrorism. it's not the entire muslim religion. >> in the end, we have allowed -- taken a passive look at isis, we are just bombing once in a while. we're emptying gitmo with the worst of the worst sending them back out where they learned their terror training and tell inside information about the guys that held them in cuba. >> these guys identified themselves yesterday to survivors. we're from al-qaeda. we're from al-qaeda in yemen. unbelievable. >> it's clear to everybody but those in the administration. we'll turn to heather nauert. >> good morning to you. news coming out of new york overnight. breaking overnight an unhinged man shouts, i want to kill cops while trying to murder police officers with a speeding car. a silver audi coming just inches from two port authority officers who are working outside the holland tunnel in new york city. one of those officers made a split second decision that saved his life. he leaps out of the way of that oncoming audi. police finding pot inside his car and the driver reportedly confessed that he was high on angel dust. brand-new developments coming in in the race for the white house. the governor of texas, rick perry, has scheduled a trip to new hampshire next months. it's an early primary state considered a bellwether for potential candidates. the governor of wisconsin scott walker reportedly hiring a campaign manager. he's said to be forming a leadership pac which means he's looking at how to fund a potential run for presidency in 2016. and then finally, a brand-new report says that new jersey governor chris christie will announce a decision to run or not to run for president later this month. take a look at this picture. hard to believe anyone made it out alive. a family of four inside a mini van sliding into the back of a moving tractor-trailer in whiteout conditions in michigan. the weather there has been really bad lately. that van got stuck under that tractor-trailer of the it was dragged for 16 miles. that mom inside the car called 911. listen to this. >> it was snow blinding. we ran into the back of a semi truck and he's not stopping and our car is imbedded underneath of it. >> police were able to flag down that truck driver. no one was seriously hurt. thank goodness for that. >> how did he not notice? >> i don't know how he didn't notice. that's a good question. fortunately they got to the driver. more than $1 million in 10,000 separate donations from all across the country pouring in for the families of two murdered new york city police officers. >> what these letters say are one, we're going to pay off your mortgages immediately. >> you can see the grieving widows of liu and ramos fighting back tears as they accept money from the tunnels of towers foundation. the chairman of that foundation joined us earlier. listen. >> those families are going to be changed forever, believe me, i know. they don't have to worry about making their payment ever. so we want to give that to these two families 'cause they deserve it. >> one less thing for the families to have to worry about. and the foundation does such terrific work here. they really do. >> well said. >> thanks. it's about a dozen minutes after the top of the hour on this thursday. he's seen the face of radical islam when he confronted the killer in the fort hood massacre. that hero here next with a message for president obama. and that rift between the nypd and mayor de blasio can only be saved by one man. bill clinton. really? ♪ ♪ this tylenol arthritis lasts 8 hours but aleve can last 12 hours. and aleve is proven to work better on pain than tylenol arthritis. so why am i still thinking about this? how are ya? good. aleve. proven better on pain. thanks. ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] fedex® has solutions to enable global commerce that can help your company grow steadily and quickly. great job. (mandarin) ♪ ♪ cut it out. >>see you tomorrow. ♪ ♪ manhunt underway right now in france for these two mad men, brothers who executed people, 12 in all in cold blood. injured 11. overnight, a third suspect turned himself in. he's 19. >> they shouted allahu akbar as they fired. but the white house is having trouble calling it muslim extremism. >> does it matter what you call it? retired army sergeant howard ray witnessed nidal hasan's attack, received a medal of commendation for his actions in helping people. does it matter what we call it? you were in the middle of it. >> absolutely. any time that we don't recognize our enemies for who and what they are, they will absolutely continue to attack us and the more we deny to include hillary clinton, what we're going to find out is that these attacks are going to get much more worse and much more extreme. >> the attack you faced terrorist attack at fort hood in 2009 was referred to as workplace violence. the administration also fell short of what happened yesterday in paris france, the very same thing. they couldn't seem to wrap their mouths around calling this a terrorist attack. what is the danger in not actually calling a spade a spade and identifying terror as such? >> well, the result of that those actions, not calling terrorism terrorism is howardly. the president called it cowardly and evil. the only thing that's more cowardly and evil than that, in my opinion, is subjecting the american people to the types of threats that terrorism actually brings to us. political correctness and the idea that we're not going to call it what it is, almost kill me and it did kill 14 other men and women on fort hood in 2009. >> yeah. of course, these guys also went in there and according to an eyewitness, said we have avenged the prophet, after executing those 12 people including the muslim cop who was on the ground pleading for mercy. here is the other thing. what happens too, i believe and you tell me if you agree -- if you tell people who our enemy is, you give people an opportunity to react and do courageous things like what happened yesterday. tens of thousands of people gathering together holding up signs that say we are not afraid. if you rob people of a common enemy, who is your true enemy, you're not giving us a reason to stand up and you almost confuse the public. >> absolutely. that's absolutely true on that. >> right. >> when you heard the president refer to the mindset and actions of a few, we've seen what happened in your case. we looked at the devastating images, 12 hot dead in paris -- shot dead in paris france. and a week ago in australia, you see those beheadings go across national screen and internet from isis. just a few? what do you have to say about that? >> well, i couldn't quite hear you. could you repeat that real quick? >> when the president dismisses these attacks as the actions of just a few, just the mindset of a senseless few. what's your reaction? >> well, i think that's an attempt to marginalize the enemy as being weaker than it actually is, and again it's the denying of fact that there are hundreds of thousands if not several million of these extremists that really want to destroy all of us all across this great world that we have. >> amazing. the king of jordan understands it. the president of egypt understands it. now the people of france understand it. i hope we fully understand it sooner rather than later. sergeant howard, thanks so much. >> thank you. >> thank you. 19 minutes after the hour. this coming up can the government force you to get chemotherapy even if you don't want it? judges are expected to answer that question today. peter johnson, jr. battled cancer and will lay out both sides to this very heated debate. an incredible sight. a house boat goes up in flames with the owner inside. saving her life, man's best friend. that story is awesome and nice. ♪ ♪ fact. you get relief right at the site of pain. wherever it is. advil stops pain right where it starts. relief doesn't get any better than this. advil. you park your car. as you walk away crunch! a garbage truck backs into it. so,you call your insurance company, looking for a little support. what you get is a game of a thousand questions. was it raining? 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peter johnson, jr., who fought his own cancer battle when he was a teen-ager. >> i had the exact same disease called hodgkin's disease at age 18 and went through chemotherapy and i'll talk about that in a secretary. let's talk about the mother. she says she should be subject to the mature minor doctrine which prime ministers a minor who exhibits maturity as an adult to make decisions reserved for those who have attained the aiming of majority which is 18. they say even though she's a minor, she should have the capacity for her own personal integrity to make a decision about whether she can die or not. even though doctors tell her that she's got an 80 to 85% chance of living with about six months of chemotherapy treatment. she and her mother have decided that she does not want the treatment. in fact, the mother has pulled her out of treatment, has he would her out of diagnosis treatments, refused her to attend appointments. so the state of connecticut said, wait a second. this is a minor. mom, you can't do this. we have an obligation to protect this child. we're going to force treatment for this child. now they're going to court highest court in the state of connecticut. >> she has notten chemotherapy. the family feels it's poison to the body and they don't want it. >> the family is wrong on the law and wrong on the ethics and wrong on the humanity. wrong on the law, first of all. state of connecticut has an obligation to preserve life of an infant. they have an obligation to prevent suicide. if she does not get this treatment, this is a form of suicide. frankly, the american civil liberties union is complicit in her death if she dies. they will be part of an assisted suicide in the state of connecticut. i feel that strongly about it. so the highest court in connecticut is going to look at it today and say should send this back to the court below for another hearing to determine the competency of the mother and of the child in terms of making a decision? listen, do 16 and 17-year-old children have the judgment the perspective, the discretion the experience to be making these life and death decisions? i say they do not. i'll go to my personal story on that. at age 18, i was diagnosed with hodgkin's disease. it was pretty advanced. my parents thought i was going to die. i thought i was going to die. i started to go through radiation and chemotherapy. i wanted to give up on the chemotherapy. >> why? >> because i was so damn sick. it's vile. it's disgusting. it's hard. and you say, i'll get better because they say, oh this is curable. this is beatable. the problem is it's a per knishes disease and she will die. cassandra will die within two years if she doesn't get this treatment. i need to speak with her. i need to speak with her mom. i need to explain to them what the law really is and what can happen. the mom says, well when she gets so sick she'll say i'll change my mind perhaps. it will be too late. it will be too late. the death bell will have been rung by that point. >> you make such a good point. if the family were to object on religious grounds that would be something different. >> that is a different issue. >> but you not only know the law , you have been there. >> it's not a matter of constitutional integrity. i'm the biggest defender and so are you for constitutional integrity. but as a state, as a people as a human and a universality of whether you're a christian or a jew or a muslim or whether you're an atheist, preserve life. and so to say the mother says she has a distrust of physicians and putting that through the child and the child says i don't want it because of the mother's distrust of physicians. should we allow a child to die because of wrong-headed thinking? i guess at age 18, perhaps, perhaps there is a better argument than she can die. i don't think so. a state could appoint a guardian in that condition as well. can someone really be competent at age 17 saying i don't want the treatment? i want to die even though i can live if i get the treatment. when we see 17-year-olds standing atop buildings and they want to jump do we say jump now? fine. that's your choice. you can jump. or do we say come down off the building. so i'm saying, cassandra, come down off the building. i'll lead you down. i've been through this. we can do this together. and thousands of americans have been through it together. i'm living. i had beautiful children. you can have a life and live. >> all right. we'll see what the supreme court of connecticut says later today. >> i hope they exercise some judgment today. >> thank you for telling your story. >> good to see you. coming up, more on our top story on this thursday. fox news alert. the manhunt for two terrorists intensified. why hasn't france learned its lesson? have they become a nation of appeasement? we're going to take a closer look at that. then a controversial new idea, if you want to run for political office, first take a drug test? oh boy. ♪ ♪ ♪ believe it or not, it's still happening. a nationwide manhunt underway right now in the country of france for these two brothers, suspects in the terrorist attacks on a paris newspaper that left 12 people dead and 11 wounded. >> overnight, a third suspect turned himself in and several other arrests have been made. >> our next guest says the problem with france is they haven't learned from their own history. here to break it down examples of counterterrorism expert dr. gorka joins us from washington. good morning to you. >> good morning. >> okay. let's talk a little bit about what they have done in the past. give us some examples on how they dropped the ball back in the '70s. >> well, france has a track record all through the cold war '60s '70s and '80s, of deciding behind closed doors to basically negotiate with the bad guys. so whether it's algeria separatists and terrorists, whether it's the palestinians, they make deals whereby they say, okay we're going to provide you sanctuary. we're not going to harass you on french soil as long as you don't target us, as long as you don't harm french citizens. so exactly the opposite of the we don't negotiate with terrorists. >> which we have. in the '80s you brought up the conflict with iran. how did they deal with that? >> exactly the same way. they said that as long as you protect us or as long as you don't target our interests internationally or on french soil, then we'll help you out or we'll just turn a blind eye and unfortunately, we know with iran that doesn't work too well. >> sure. and then moving into the '90s with this pattern of appease appeasement, there are reportedly algerian terror groups offering to bribe france for immunity. >> it went in the worse in the '90s where they tried to as a member of the european union, block the registration of hamas and hezbollah as terrorist organizations. made it very very difficult for international cooperation against terrorism because of this appeasement policy. >> sure. and if you're one of the bad guys and you know that france is going to pay a lot of money, what are you going to do? you're going to kidnap more people. they have arranged for the payment of ransom for many hostages and you got to figure the number is high. >> it's a never ending cycle. what once a terrorist thinks you are a potential funding stream and you give in to them, what's going to stop them from kidnapping more of your citizens and getting millions and millions of dollars in exchange? it's a never ending cycle. >> so where do you see them going next, the terrorists here based on this pattern of appeasement, laying the groundwork for what we're seeing perhaps yesterday, what's their next target? >> be careful, the terrorist attack yesterday are a slightly different breed. this isn't nationalist algerian or nationalist palestinians. these are hard-core global jihaddists. you can not negotiate with these people. they want to destroy western civilization. so unfortunately, this is a problem for france. they have a large muslim community, lots of immigrants. and imagine if they did ten of these attacks at the same time all across france. you literally close france down. these are very cheap kind of attacks to do. >> i guess so. >> it closed down france yesterday. >> i did love their reaction yesterday, doctor. when you saw everybody come out into the street they put up the sign, not afraid. i thought that was a positive message. >> absolutely. you've got to push back. you've got to fight back. you've got to say that we stand for certain values that are nonnegotiable, that we will not water down. but at the same time, it's undermined by this track record of giving in to the bad guys. so you've got to stand the line of where you are. >> you have to get their respect. you're never going to win them over. dare i say they have to fear retaliation and so far all we have is capitulation. >> we thank you for your counterterrorism expertise and perspective. it is now 23 minutes before the top of the hour. heather joins us with some interesting dash cam video. >> that's right. good morning. we all know the police officers have a very tough job. listen to what happened in washington state. police officers ambushed in a hail of bullets. look at this. here is what happened there. three officers responding to a domestic dispute caught completely offguard when a complete stranger pulls up in a car and then opened fire on those officers. fortunately, the officers were not hurt. that gunman is still at large in seattle, washington. want to be a law maker in the state of pennsylvania? yo to pass a drug test soon. republican state representative john loren pushing for a new law it would strip elected politicians of their titles if they test positive for any illegal substances 30 days into their campaign. police unions seem to think bill clinton may be the answer to that rift between the nypd and city hall. the idea to get clinton involved floated during a meeting between police commissioner bill bratton and nypd union chiefs yesterday. union heads say that he is a good negotiator and that's why they might want to bring him in. tensions still high in the city after two more officers are shot in the bronks. jason polanco is charged with five counts of attempted murder. his alleged accomplice is also under arrest. [ cheering ] >> in the meantime, one of those police officers who was shot was given a hero's farewell as he left the hospital. how good it is to be home. another officer is still recovering in the hospital. we wish him the very best. incredible sight. a houseboat in kentucky going up in flames with the sleeping owner inside, saving her life just in the nick of time her dog, buddy. he kept nudging her until she woke up. >> heart breaking, everything i own is on that boat. my clothes, my people work my pictures, everything is on that boat. i love my dog. he's my buddy. he gets an extra treat tonight. >> he sure does. what a good boy. it turns out a space heater actually caused that fire. those are your headlines. >> she is lucky to be alive. >> buddy aptly named. what a good friend. >> thanks, heather. president obama hitting the road bragging about his economic successes. >> we are entering into the new year with new confidence that america is coming back. >> we all like that idea. but bob massi says when it comes to the housing market, the president and the government aren't telling you the whole truth. bob is up next from vegas, baby. that's right. and no green card? no problem. now we're telling illegal immigrants it's okay to stay in the united states if they want a job? a fair and balanced debate on that coming up. ♪ ♪ do you suffer from constipation or irregularity? trust dulcolax® for dependable relief. try free at dulcolaxoffers.com dulcolax® tablets are comfort coated for gentle, overnight relief. hurry! try free at dulcolaxoffers.com. dulcolax®. designed for dependable relief™. a fox news alert. the labor department released brand-new weekly jobless numbers. 294,000 first-time unemployment claims were filed last week. that's more than the experts expected. but down from last week. elisabeth, over to you. >> thank you. president obama on a road to the state of the union tour, bragging about his administration's economic successes. watch. >> there is no doubt, thanks to the steps that we took early on to rescue our economy and rebuild it on a new foundation, we are entering into the new year with new confidence that america is coming back. >> well, his three-day economic victory lap hits phoenix today where he'll talk about how far the housing market is actually come. what is he not going to be telling you, the american people? bob massi joins us live with some details that you're going to want to listen to. gosh bob. >> good morning elisabeth. >> so the first thing the president is probably going to discuss is the rising value of homes. what's your assessment there? >> i mean, home values have done okay this last six to eight months. it's undeniable that certain parts of the country. the problem is what's going to happen now. one of the issues i want to talk about real quick is the last couple years investors have put a lot of money into buying homes. what they're saying the experts are saying, is that these investors, because of the amount of return on their profit, is going to start selling those homes. now, if they start selling them, there is more of a supply. the question is the demand and prices can be affected again. not necessarily going up, but going down because the amount on the marketplace. so again, although there has been an improvement that, is something we have to watch for in 2015 from the investors' perspective. >> what do you think about this? the president is set to announce a new executive action that is set to help more responsible americans, quote, own a home. what do you think? >> well, look fannie and freddie said they're going to make it easier to get into homes. 3% down. they made some regulations. here is the problem. even though the unemployment rate has gone down which is a good thing, the question always in any purchase is income. what has happened with the income? what kind of jobs are being created? are these people going to be able to qualify for those homes? and regardless lenders elisabeth, they're still not going to make it easy for people to buy. they could lower some of the standards. but you still are to look at credit ratings. you have to look at the amount of income, the kind of jobs these people have in order to be able to get back into the house. here is the thing, if we make it too easy again, if we make it like we did ten, 12 years ago we could run into the same problem again. certain people should not necessarily own unless they really economically can afford it. don't make it too easy again because we could be looking at another relapse in a few years. that's my biggest concern. >> gosh, i wish we could run you over and over again when the president is speaking so those words of sensibility can sink in to americans who may be listening to the president. thank you for the wisdom. >> happy new year to you. >> the same. we'll see you soon. your e-mails are pouring in over our top story. i can't even tell you. there is a flood in my in box. we'll bring all those to you and read them when we come back ul's office. for those who believe a serious job doesn't have to feel so serious. one a day men's vitacraves with key nutrients like b-vitamins which help covnert food to fuel. it's not just a gummy, it's a complete multivitamin. >> two terrorists on the loose. who is helping them now and where are they? countless questions after a french massacre. we'll put a lot of those questions to liz cheney tucker carlson, and many others today. also the squeeze is on over keystone. democratic senator joe manchin has a couple ideas to get this through. we'll ask him about that. plenty to get to when martha and i see you at the top of the hour. back to you downstairs. thank you very much. we know that there is a manhunt in france for those two gunmen who murdered in cold blood at least a dozen people and then in this video, go over and execute a police officer as well on the street. one of them yelled to a passer-by yesterday, we have avenged the prophet, referring to mohammed because that particular magazine published the cartoons of the prophet mohammed. >> pretty airtight case on islamic extremism, you would think. >> if you think back in time, benjamin franklin -- the white house, does it sound like their remarks have been on the side of freedom? watch. >> a future must not belong to those ho slander the prophet of islam. >> we don't question the right of something like this to be published. we just question the judgment behind the decision to publish it. >> so there you can see jay carney taking a shot at charlie hebdo, the magazine in particular. and before that, you saw the president of the united states at the united nations saying the future must not belong to those who slander the prophet of islam. wait a minute. that's what the bad guys said. they said the magazine slandered mohammed. >> that's right. then you look at other lefties out there, howard dean for one. >> is howard left? >> he can't even wrap his mouth around the fact that this could be islamist extremists. watch. >> this is a chronic problem. i stopped calling these people muslim terrorists. they're about as muslim as i am. i mean, they had no respect for anybody else's life. that's not what the koran says. and europe has an enormous radical problem and enormous -- i think isis a cult. not an islamic cult. >> pretty amazing that the president of the united states did go to bat for that sony movie against north korea when that was freedom of speech. but here -- >> after they had already pulled it. >> right. after they pulled it. the doctor who is a muslim, and also the president of the american islamic forum for democracy, said this. >> do these people ever listen to themselves and realize that the american people are not fools, that ultimately we realize there is a problem and you wonder if the d and dean is for denial. you can't address a problem unless you identify it and the strategy so far of appeasement and don't call it islam don't call it jihad, it's not about the koran. that's not work. it's actually emboldening the terrorists to say they do own the muslim community, they are going to radicalize through the internet, and mosques and other places and spread their message. >> we know from past history one of the guys they're looking for is a convicted terrorist who was radicalized. he was helping get people into the fight over there. while they coo talk about isis these guys yesterday self-identified. we're with al-qaeda. we're from yemen. actually they were born in france and then raised outside of paris. but then went back after their parents, algerians orphaned them. >> i don't get the yemen connection, but we'll go when what they claim. >> maybe that's where they were trained. >> someone trained them well. one woman said this war would have been over long ago if our so-called leaders weren't afraid of offending the very people who are trying to kill us. >> your comments continue to pour in on the denial there call ago spade a spade. did he niece says we can not speak the truth anymore. if it's going to hurt someone's feelings. >> timothy writes, it's time to get real and call it what it is. >> okay. robert says we must be careful. islamic extremists. not muslims. not all muslims. we don't want to fight a billion people, nor do they want to fight us. >> vicky says recognize it admit it and address the problem head on. >> gary says, war has been declared and carried out by radical islamists for many years now. even if the liberals hide their heads in the sand from this fact. we can't be afraid of words, people. let's face it, this is a terrorism act done in the name of radical islam. it is that simple. the people said yesterday, we have avenged the prophet mohammed because of that cartoon. it's terrorism in the name caddal islam. >> people making changes. daily news blurring the picture of the newspaper cover, the car upon a.p. debleating photos of charlie hebdo magazine, depicting the prophet there. >> more "fox & friends," one for the road when we come back why do i cook? 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troubling, no talks scheduled between the president and house speaker. we take all of this up here tonight with former special assistant to president george w. bush, veteran democratic politicos strategist and republican pollster. president obama issued a warning to syrian leader declaring there will be consequences if syria uses chemical weapons on its own people. the president's steered clear of defining those consequences. egis political crisis is widening cajon. a general strike to protest the presence unrestricted new powers. in this country's hospitals that deadly new bacteria that is more than just drug-resistant, it is draw prevent spreading. just how high is that this book of? we begin tonight with the fiscal clef which produced more far spent progress rejecting the speaker of the house claim that no progress is being made >> the house speaker said on fox news sunday right now i would say we are nowhere in terms of the fiscal cliff negotiations. does the president agree? >> no, he does not. you saw secretary geithner over the weekend on aaother sunday shows very clearly express the president's position, talk about the proposals the president has put forward and express our belief that there has been progress and that we can achieve a bipartisan agreement. lou: the president has not spoken to the house speaker about a resolution to the fiscal cleft cents a late night phone call last wednesday. instead dispatching treasury secretary timothy geithner did last thursday to present a plan that the speaker deemed not serious. here is his response to the negotiations that have largely taken place through the media. >> flabbergasted. he can't be serious. i've never seen anything like it seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. lou: the speaker, an absence of actual conversation or anything resembling negotiations sent a letter to the president with the republican counteroffer which included $800 billion in new revenue through tax reform, closing loopholes and deductions instead of raising rates. 1 trillion in spending cuts to including health care reforms such as raising the medicare retirement age and limiting the cost of living adjustments for social security recipient. meanwhile, a brand new poll dismisses the president's claims of a mandate to raise taxes. a survey of 800 obama voters split right down the metal on the political ppll on how they want obama to cut the deficit. 41 percent responded in favor of spending cuts. 41 percent of respondents saying they favor tax increases. the white house says it will offer a counterproposal to house speaker proposal. saying that unless he accepts tax increases on the rich the president is willing to go over the cliff. let's get straight to the politics of these developments and the rhetoric and possible economic impact of failure to resolve the issues. joining as, former special assistant to president george w. bush, a veteran political consultants and republican pollster. let's start, if i may, with you. do you think both sides right now are seriously ready to go over the cliff? >> i think the president is very ready because they are reading into this election last month a mandate that i simply don't see. the president got 15 million americans to vote against him which fail to produce any type of meaningful budget in his democratic controlled senate. we are at the disco club because of the president's inability to ever a single-day tackle entitlement reform and take it seriously talk about tax reform instead of tax hikes, so i think the way to have honest good faith initiations is to come to the table closer together. lou: before we restructure negotiations that act have not taken place, the republican side of the issue? and other republicans ready to go over the cliff? >> probably because they know that president -- they know that the president is not serious about anything but taxing the rich. lou: so to be clear republicans and all of this are pure and noble and the democrats are crass and political. is that right? >> partisan poppycock. political motives are clear. force the republicans on the ads, making shut down the government, make them look bad, recreate 1995 which i participated in. you make it look bad and you get a shot to take back the house and create american public opinion to work for you. >> and the country goes bankrupt thank you for being honest. >> i'm not writing policy, nor am i policy person, but i do understand. this is an attempt under this president to ensure that the republicans look as bad as they have never looked. lou: the republicans, this is a direct attack. and to elements of the dna of the republican party. one is low taxes and secondly, it is a sense of fiscal prudence and responsibility. if they play it is entirely wrong they could have both of those elements of their dna strips from them. >> that is right. the thing i worry about is the republicans seem to negotiates themselves. they blew an opportunity to frame this issue to the american people. when you had the senate minority leader, and laugh when he heard about the proposal, if i were him i would have come out and said, you know what, this administration wants to usurp the constitttion of the united states and take away the ability of congress to control the purse strings. they are not serious, not negotiating in good faith and years the republican proposal. lou: you mentioned that this president was emboldened. just for the record, dismissing any idea of a mandate as a result of that election. the president himself has chosen to resurrect an idea. but the issue here, these republicans have lost two presidential elections a row. theseerepublicans right now looked as though they are utterly flummoxed by the strategy and the actions and their rhetoric of this white house. is there anyone in the republican party who is going to be able to stand up and carry a clear, crystal clear message to the american people that they're working for them, not for small business, big business, and not for some sort of archaic concept of the republican party but rather a party that is embracing 2012. >> yes, but to move toward they ought to look at 2010. because 2008 -- 2006, eight, and 12 were terrible for republicans. what was the message? i spoke to the three works fine people in washington yesterday from all over the country. i said i will give any of your million bucks if you get some new what the republican message was in 2006. i kept my money. i give you a dollar if you continue with the republican message was in 2010. all about puuhing back against excessive interests of expansive expensive government over reached in the guise of tarp and stimulus and obamacare. here we are again. they know who they are. >> a party of social issues cannot make its of a party of economics. they are completely stuck in the middle, and obama holds the cards. if they take the wrong but they lose and if they take the right pose the lose. of their patriotic into what is right they lose. very difficult position to be in >> but you are admitting that this is about tactics. [talking over each other] >> i am not a brain surgeon. i am a political person. that's what i do. lou: i love it when you are modest. >> modesty becomes you. this is where i think republicans have an opportunity to lead. they need to be clear, concise, and say -- lou: if i made, who in the republican party is capable of carrying out -- >> there are a number of them. republicans need to find somebody. lou: he could not carry his own state. let me finish. i really want to have less serious discussion here tonight. who among the republican leaders and i would like you to name names, has the capacity and at the same time as he recites as many people i would like you to explain why they are not up rallying a republican party from the locals, districts and communities and municipalities to the national campaign. >> well, for one -- lou: it should be had. >> one individual who should released about the place you can do this is my old boss, governor of ohio, chairman of the house budget committee. lou: he just lost his state in a national election. >> romney lost the state. the unemployment rate in ohio has gone down was due to policies. >> sorry about these governors. they have made there stay solvent. but look. -- [talking over each other] >> if i may. my heart is filled with excitement. i am so excited as i hear you tell me how good things are at the state level. there are governors out there. there are state legislatures, 26 of them controlled by republicans. i am not suggesting that the republican party has disappeared i am suggesting that national leaders to deal with the white house in a campaign structure@ that is still campaigning relentlessly after winning a presidential election -- >> the speaker has not buckled. he said la land. lou: did he say lolland all by himself? >> this is serious. here is what we can do. here is what we want to do. take the politics out of it. they'd be partisan is this right now. a higher probability they can come to a deal or look like heroes. if they try to make this work there will be in very serious trouble for some time to come. >> stop talking about 2016. i want to hear about 2013. we need one solid message and the multitude of messengers. lou: it's going to look lousy. >> real trouble. >> that is exactly right. lou: much more on the state of the fiscal cliff in the nation next. contagion, a deadly outbreak of a bacterium that is not drug-resistant. so far is a drug-proof. it is attacking our nation's health care facilities. health officials fear it could spread to the general population . dr. mark siegel joins us in moments. disco closed fallout. is president obama not serious? surely the leaders would not play games that could result in a ten per -- 10% of the plumber rate, recession, and a massive wall street sell-off. a wall street veteran joins us next. ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ ♪ [ male announcer ] the mercedes-benz winter event is back, with the perfect vehicle that's just right for you, no matter which list you're on. 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[ male announcer ] lease a 2013 c250 for $349 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. ♪ lou: the uncertainty over the fiscal cliff, conflicting economic reports giving investors headaches and upset stomachs, at least some of them. to make sense of it all, wall street legend joins us and just moments. first, let's take a look and what caused all of the tanks in the "moneyline" tonight. unexpected weakness, an absence of leaders in washington creating anxiety, some volatility. adelle opening the month with a 60-point loss, s&p dropping, nasdaq eight, trading right on the average from monday, 3 billion shares traded on the big board. is in manufacturing index of thing lows, declines in employment, new orders, and exports. offsetting that negative news, construction spending moved higher. automakers posting strong sales performance is in the month as well. the government ten year notes slipping, the yield rising. continued that trading on wall street. obviously causes, nervous investors and traders with the dow hitting its low of the session just saw two minutes after the speaker said his proposal to the white house. to give us his analysis of what is happening in this market, to assess threats and positives for investors and to call those whose nerves are frayed and particularly what looks like a very large game of liar's, today we are joined by michael holland, president of holland fund. >> great to be here. lou: there seems to be some considerable attention beginning to be paid by investors to what is happening and washington. what is your sense of the level of anxiety right now? >> interesting. a lot of the viewers are interested in the market. to the extent that there is no liquidity in the market because a lot of people are watching and have not been as stock-market since the crash or for that. lou: a highly intelligent audience by definition. >> by definition. that means that even a little bit of news, positive or negative as a very large amplifying effect on the marketplace. in addition to that i am not going to make a joke of this. the computerized trading has an impact as well. some of these computers actually trade of headlines. so it increases even the -- at this point i think a lot of people who actually still pay attention and are still on the market, and there are not too many of them. as people do not believe that these people in washington are so stupid that they are actually going to do this. lou: one of the longest offending. >> i went. i went. so at the end of the date they don't think it is going to be a fiscal cliff issue. it think it will get together and did a short-term thing. if that does not happen there have been some market people the say that would probably be a good thing if there when of the fiscal cliff. it is a disaster. the rating agencies said they would downgrade credit. and the people are not going to be. >> the last time i recall a downgrade the result was a rally in the bond market and about a ten. move over the short term in the equities market. >> yes. lou: so was talking with a fellow the other night, measure of success in his career making decisions on equities and companies. he says he thinks the fiscal cliff is so overstated as to be insured. >> without a question in the minority of those i know. >> on the tax side of it is overstated. there is no question. a little the taxes they are talking about. no one likes to pay more taxes, but the effect on the market, the things that are being proposed would be overstated. i don't think a downgrading by the credit agencies is factored into people's thinking. so that part of it, if they do something that makes the credit agencies, all of them in unison downgrade as to something below, think about this, that is not a good thing. that disturbs the markets. lou: so and other smart people watched, the speaker off fumbled through his rhetoric to say how tough he is and how resolute the white house will be in all of this. the reaction is in the markets, if it goes another couple of weeks. >> people are saying we are all idiots. people who don't have anything to do with washington and we have to live in places where we are the safest. the debt market or the equities market, particularly the equities market. china, germany, the u.s. they can survive these crazy politicians. lou: tell important. what do you think we can expect? >> far less significance than it has in the past several quarters. in addition people pay less attention to it. lou: and the strength. >> i'm going to giie you a very positive thing. the housing industry in the u.s. is absolutely turned around. china is trying back. so you have three major underpinnings well these idiots are doing what they're doing. lou: okay. as always to agree to talk to you. at the box office, vampires in love. james bond with a slow holiday weekend. entertainment twilight finale pulling in 17 million. tops of the box office. the twilight saga breaking don part two has made more than $700 million worldwide. the latest bond flick making another 17 million. pulled in just about 870 million worldwide. the richest total ever in this series. coming in third. thirteen and a half million dollars for the weekend. up next, the fiscal cliff. a proposal of his own. the president. what does he think? is it a joke? we will take it up with michael ramirez in just a moment. is our population at risk? a super bug now plaguing this nation's health care facilities. we are joined to assess the threat and the prospects for a public-health response next. you know how painful heartburn cane. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor remmended gaviscon®. onlyaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gavcon®. ♪ lou: we do not want to the frightened or concern anyone with these new reports but we think the responsibility braise it to you. the reports of hospitals with in what has been a very quiet battle against a deadly super bug that is resistant to most of not all antibiotics. at this deadly bacteria has been reported and hospitals and nursing homes across 42 states in this country. a growing fear is that they could make it way into the general population. joining us now to help us assess what is happening here, a level of the threat and the possible responses by the medical science community, fox news senior medical contributor has written extensively about and mx and this has the prospects of becoming one. first off, good to have you with us. >> good to see you. lou: cre stands for something that i could not possibly pronounced. >> it sounds very foreboding and mysterious and deadly, which is. lou: and it is so deadly and it is spreading. the original report, when we first saw the report. and i want to give them credit for that. the idea that this drug is absolutely drug proved to all non antibiotics, is that truly the case? >> not entirely. each time you see this there is occasionally an antibiotic that actually can be used against it, but often this 25, 26 antibiotics tested against this but don't work. and actually it is good to talk about this because it is a symptom of what is wrong with the current situation in medicine are we see people sicken and i see you. we throw a very powerful antibiotic got them, something like merope n.m., which is what fun talking about. lou: the last line of defense. >> right. and the bacteria makes millions and millions of colonies. it sees this drug and over time will develop resistance. this particular resistance was developed back in 2001, but it has been spreading. they bring it to a nursing home. it is hard to track it. lou: to this point crt has not been found. >> id is not yet in the communities. we saw that. it ended up in the gym. worried about that here. 40 percent. 40 percent. lou: a comparable disease. >> to give you an idea, you don't see that with hiv or tuberculosis. the biggest problem from a business point of view is that the drug companies don't have an incentive to try to find to give the antibiotics to kill this. even giant said use every day. something like this you only would use if you had the deadly bacteria, so it is not profitable for a drug compann to even, but the solution to this problem. they try to mop up they don't have any. no antibiotics out there were all the time against this, and it is going. lou: and there is no drug in the pipeline. >> no drug in the pipeline. you heard me say before in the current climate under obamacare the pipelines are starting to dry. this is not going to be solved easily, and it is growing. the centers for disease control are concerned about this particular venture area. lou: the infectious disease society, one or more drugs killed. 100,000 hospital patients every year and costs the health care system more than $34 billion each and every year. tragedy in the nfl. what drives a professional athlete to murder and suicide? 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i want to show you something. some might mess in that cartoon. if you look at the stamp in the upper right, and $0.0. it is a food stamp. i have to say, we are looking at a president who is willing, as you know, an assistant on $82 billion of tax increases on the so-called wealthy, the top@ 2%. and that is going to amount to just about nine days, almost nine days a lot bring the federal government's. more and more absurd proportions >> it really is absurd. when you think about it, the deficits cast, over a trillion dollars for the next four years. freckly this will add $80 billion a year. it is nonsense. it is a parody of reality, and the blood is not responsible about their duty is being fiscal managers for the united states. when you think about that, $20 trillion in four years. if you paid off a dollar a second you're talking about 670,000 years to pay is tough. the response is impractical, and when you look at the biggess growth which is entitlements and think about the dynamic shift in the demographics, people are getting older, living longer, the costs attributed to that with less workers, our population is not growing at much to mike catastrophic. if they don't do something realistic to curb spending problem. lou: as of tonight it looks like there is nothing realistic going on in washington d.c. imagine that. it is great to talk with you. i hope he will come back soon and often. amazing, as you saw. editorial cartoonist. up next ralph nader headlines a triumvirate of angry liberals over the weekend. we will have that straight ahead.3 up tomorrow former ways and means committee chairman, fox is military analyst with a new book. among our guests. stay with us now. the dow's doctors go inside the mind of an nfl player turned killer. suddenly, she does something unexpected and u see the woman you ll in love with. she's everything to you. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalaf for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the me cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to fruently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medications, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sexual activity. do not take cialis if you take niates for che pai as this may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess with cialis. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ae. to avoid long-te injury, seek immediate medical help for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or if you have any allergic reactions su as rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or diffilty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a 30-tablet free trial. now we need a little bit more... 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leading psychologist answered that question and much more here next. ♪ lou: the weekend murder suicide committed by kannas city linebacker left the nfl community and the country just grasping for answers as to what was going on in this amendment. a great tragedy. the sixth nfl player in the past two years to take is on life. six nfl players raising the questions about traumatic brain energy, the nfl, and what is going on. joining us to help understand as best we can what happened and what we should be thinking about your as citizens, parents and family members and friends, psychologists and professor and psychotherapist. let me start with the fact that this was such a -- i mean, he apparently shot his girlfriend nine times. i mean, this is just an unbelievable. his friends to my teammates, coaches, no one to believe he had done it. >> but this was also someone who was abusing alcohol and drugs who may have had a brain injury, although i would say the probably the abuse of alcohol and drugs can make a depression more profound to make him more out of touch and more desperate. it. lou: a number of people and commented about his short-term memory that he was demonstrating some loss of short-term memorr. does that enter into -- >> and that is something for a neurologist to speak to, but i don't know how short-term memory loss would indicate that he would be more inclined to be violent. i would say he was in a depressed state, of using his body. what triggered the murder homicide was his girlfriend probably turned to leave him. he was not doing very well. his team was not doing very well . >> and there were both very young. >> they have a new baby. and he knows -- lou: obviously having a great deal of conflict. >> and we see that quite often with young athletes. we also have to look at this traumatic brain injury. lot of people looking for the big injuries. the concussions are really about the fact that players are going unanswered velocity and they are stopped. and so therefore the brain's just rows inside the skull, it's this call from the inside, and that is what causes the concussion. always looking for these big. that is not where the concussions come from. so this overtime may have caused what we see as the short-term memory loss. >> that is the physiological. when it comes to murder-suicide, sometimes when an intimate partner homicide the person being killed -- lou: we should point out, written a very important book about. death to alll-- death tell as part. >> and when i was doing research for this book will we found was people who kill their partners, it does not mean that they do not love them. they're trying to kill the part of a partner that a there wants to leave them and especially in cases where a partner feels there being left. they are so dependent on the partner that they murdered in the killing them. lou: or a partner who feels like there being used. quite often we see with these young athletes, surrounded by young women, sometimes in the getting pregnant. they don't want to harm the child. it is more than they could possibly bear. we don't know if that is what happened, but it might be a combination of relationship issues, depression, maybe all of those things. lou: we're coming right back in just a moment. we will also talk, what is becoming an increasingly recurrent phenomenon. murder, violence, and cannibalism. we will be right back in just a moment. having you ship my gifts couldn't beier. well, having a ton of locations doesn't hurt. and a santa to boot! 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[ male announcer ] break from the holiday stress. fedex office. lou: back with the doctors, let me turn to this, the instance of cannibalism, it seems to be happening more, i can't remember hearing so many instances of it. >> historically. you know cannibalism has been documented. for the most part people who engage in this are really severe lehman tally ill -- mentally ill or a severe personal deeual component. that when you are eatin officer who was looking- f the neving there was. can feel e an orgasm. i am good, you are evil, i am eating you, i am putting you out of your misery. >> possessing their life force, possessing their psychology, that is part of that, but also look at what is happening on the streets with those scenes of cannibalism, people are taking the bath salts that are psycho stistatement rattle that there deuces strength that is why police cannot subdue some of these people, that is part of th goes, i have had quite enough of that. >> talk about finances. lou: in a way, turning to fiscal cliff, watching joh national stage, a game that i'm not sure that media gets or perhaps they. as astute as they are. this is risking everything for a lot of people. what do you make of it? and their attitudes, their demeanor? >> it sounds like everybody is trying to be right, that is interfering with negotiating that needs to happen for what is best for our country and the people who live and love this country. >> in some ways almost a testosterone contest, you do something, i'm going to do something better, this is not about winning for the american people, it is about winning for the party, -- >> the mighty ego. >> i can do it better than you it has to be who wins and who loses. it is unsettling for the american people, it interferes with the american people in terms of spending. >> except the american people have come to accept this, they are not that bothered of by it any more, they are used to the game of chicken. lou: but looking at projects, talking about 10 million people unemployed. and talking about another recession, that is -- >> credit rating already was reduced. this is dangerous. >> we doo't want to end up like europe. lou: thank you very much doctors, appreciate it. >> thank you. lou: now time for your comments, bob in houston saying, i hope that barack obama gets all of the taxes he wants, i will be the first to say i told you so when consequences happen, people learhe
between the president and house speaker. we take all of this up here tonight with former special assistant to president george w. bush, veten democratic politicos strategist and republican pollster. president obama issued a warning to syrian leader declaring there will be consequences if syria uses chemical weapons on its own people. the president's steered clear of defining those consequens. egis political crisis is widening cajon. a general strikeo protest the presence unrestricted new powers. in this country's hospits that deadly new bacteria that is more than just drug-resistant, it is draw prevent spreading. just how high is that this book of? we begin tonight with the fiscal clef which produced more far spent progress rejecting the speaker of the house cla that no progress is being made >> the house speaker said on fox news sunday right now i would say we are nowhere in terms of the fiscal cliff negotiations. does the president agree? >> no, he does not. you saw secretary geithner over the weekend on aaoth sunday shows very clearly express the president's poition, talk about the proposals the president has put forward and express our belief that there has been progss and that we an achieve a bipartisan agreement. lou: the president has not spoken to the house speaker about a resolution to the fiscal cleft cents late night phone call last wednesday. instead dispatching treasury secrary timothy geithner did last thursday to present a plan that the speaker deed not serious. here is his response to the negotiations that have largely taken place through the media. >> flabbergasted. he can't be serio. i've never seen anything like it seven weeks between election day and the end of the year. and three of those weeks have been wasted with this nonsense. lou: the speaker, an absence of actual conversation or anything resembling negotiations sent a letter to the president with the republican counteroffer which included $800 billion in new revenue through tax reform, closing loopholes and deductions instead of raising rates. 1 trillion in spending cuts to including health care reforms such as raising the medicare retirement age and limiting the cost of living adjustments for social security recipie. meanwhile, a brand new poll dismisses the president's claims of a mandate to raise taxes. a survey of 800 obama voters split right down the metal on the political ppll on how they want obama to cut the deficit. 41 percent responded in far of spending cuts. 41 percent of respondents saying they favor tax increases. the white house says it will offer a counteroposal to house speaker proposal. saying that unless he ccepts tax increases on the rich the president is willing to go over the cliff. let's get straight to the politics of these developments and the rhetoric and possible economic impact of failureto resolve the issues. joining as, former spia assistant to president george w. bush, a veteran political consultant and republican pollster. let's tart, if i may, with you. do you think both sides right now are seriously ready to go over the cliff? >> i think the preside i very ready because they arereading into this election last month a mandate that i simply don't see. the president got 15 million americans to vote against him which fail to produce any type of meaningful budget in his democratic controlled snate. we are at the disco club because of the president's inability to ev a single-day tackle entitlement reform and take it seriously talk about tax reform instead of tax hike so i think the way to have honest good faith initiations is to come to the table closer together. lou: before we restructure negotiations that act have not taken place, the republican side of the issue? and other republicans ready to go over the cliff? >> probably becau they know that president -- they know that the president is not serious about anything but taxing the rich. lou: so to be clear republicans d all of this are pure an noble and the democrats are crass and political. is that right? >> partisan poppycock. political motives are clear. force the republicans on the ads, making shut down the government, make them look bad, recreate 1995 which i participated in. you make it look bad and you get a shot to take back the house d create american public opinion to work for you. >> and the country goes bankrupt thank you for being hones >> i'm not wting policy, nor am i policy person, but i do understand. this is an attempt under this president to ensure that the republicans look as bad as they have never looked. lou: the republicans, this is a direct attack. and to elements of the dna of the republican party one is low taxes and secondly, it is a sense of fiscal rudence and responsibility. if they play it is entirely wrong they could have both of those elements of their dna strips from tthem. >> that is rght. the thing i worry about is the republics seem to negotiates themselves. they blew an opportunity to frame this issue to the american people. when you had the senate minority leader, and laugh when he heard about the proposal, if i were him i would have come out and said, you know what, this administration wants to usurp the constitttion of the united states and take away the ability of congress to control the purse string they are not serious, not negotiating in goodfaith and years the republican proposal. lou: you mentioned that this president was emboldened. just for the record, dismissing any idea of a mandate as a result of that election. the president himself has chosen to resurrect an idea. but the issue here, these republicans have lost two presidential elections a row. theseerepublicans right now looked as though they are utterly flummoxed by the strategy and the actions and their rhetoric of this white house. is there anyone in the republicanart who is going to be able to stand up and carry a clear, crystal clear message to the american people that they're working for them, not for small business, big business, and not for some st of archaic concept of the republican party but rather a party that is embracing 2012. >> yes, but to move toward they ought to look at 2010. because 2008 -- 2006, eight, and 12 were terrible for republicans. what was the message? i spoke to the three works fine people in washington yesterday from all over the country. i said i will give any of your million bucks if you get some new what the republican message was in 2006. i kept my money. i give you a dollar if you continue with the republican message was in 2010. all about puuhing back against cessiveinterests of expansive expensive government over reached in the guise of tarp and stimulus and obamacare. here we are again. they know o they are. >> a party of social issues cannot make its of a party of economics. they are completely stuck in the middle, and obama holds the cards. if they take the wrong but they lose and if they take the right pose the lose. of their patriotic into what is right they lose. very difficult position to be in >> but you are admitting that this is about tactics. [talking over each other] >> i am not a brain surgeon. i am a political person. that's what i do. lou: i ove i when you are modest. >> modesty becomes you. this is wher i think republicans have an opportunity to lead. they need to be clear, concise, and say -- lou: if i made, who in the replican party is capable of carrying out -- >> there are a number of them. republicans need to find somebody. lou: he could not carry his own state. let me finish. i really want to have less serious discussion here tonight. who among the republican leaders and i would like you to name names, has the capacity and at the same time as he recites as many people i would like you to explain why they are not up rallying a republican party from the locals, districts and communities and municipalities to the national campaign. >> well, for one -- lou: it should be had. >> one individual who should released about the place you can do tis is my old boss, governor of ohio, chairman of the house budget committee. lou: he just lost his state in a national election. >> romney lost the state. the unemployment rate in ohio has gone down was due to polies. >> sorry about thse governors. they have made there stay solvent. but loo. -- [talking over each other] >> if i may. my heart is filled with excitement. i am so excited as i hear you tell me how good things are at the state level. there are governors out there. there are state legislatures, 26 of them controlled by republicans. i am not suggesting that the republican party has disappeared i am suggesting that national leaders to deal with the white house in a campaign structur@ that is still campaigning relentlessly after inning presidential election -- >> the speaker has not buckled. he said la land. lou: di he say lolland all by himself? >> this is serious. here is what we can do. here is what we want to do. take the politics out of it. they'd be partisan is this right now. a high probability they can come to a deal or ook like heroes. if they try to make this work there will be in very serious trouble for some time to come. >> stop talking about 2016. i want to hear about 2013. we need one solid message and the multitude of messengers. lou: it's going to look lousy. >> real trouble. >> that is exactly right. u: much more on the state of the fiscal cliff in the nion next contagion, a deadly outbreak of a bacterium that is not drug-resistant. so far is a drug-proof. it is attacking our nation's health carefacilities. health officials fr it could spread to the general population . dr. mark siegel joins us in moments. disco closed fallout. is president obama not serious? surely the leaderswould not play games that co result in a ten per -- 10% of the plumber rate, recession, and a massive wall street sell-off. a wall street veteran joins us next. with the fidelity stock screener, you can try strategies from independent experts and see wh criteria they use. such as a 5% yield on dividend-paying stocks. then you can customize the strategies and narrow down to exactly ose stocks you want to follow. i'm mark allen of fidelity investments. the expert strategies feature is one more innovative reason serious investors are choosing fidelity. now get 200 free trades when you opean account. now we ed a little bit more... 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>> interesting a loof the viewers are interested in the mark. to the extent that there is no liquidity in the market because a lot of people are watching and have not ben as stock-market since the crash or for tha. lou: a highly intelligent audience by definition. >> by definition. that means that even a little bit of news, positive or negative as a very large amplifying effect on the marketplace. in addition to that i am not going to make a joke of this. the computerized trading has an impact as well. some of these computers actually trade of headline so it increases even the -- at this point i think a lot of people who actually still pay attention and are still on the market, and there are not too many of them. as people do not believe that these people in washington are so stupid tha they are actually going to do this. lou: one of the longest offending. >> i went. i went. so at the end of the date they don't think it is going to be a fiscal cliff issue. it think it will get toether and did a short-term thing. if that does not happen there have been some market people the say that would probably be a good thing if there when of the fiscal cliff. it is a disaster. the rating agencies said they would downgrade credit. and the people are n going to be. >> the last time i recall a downgrade the result was a rally in the bond market and about a ten. move over the short term in the equities marrket. >> yes. lou: so was talking with a feow the other night, measure of success in his career making decisions on equities and companies. he says he thinks the fiscal cliff is so overstated as to be insured. >> without a question in the minority of those i know. >> on the tax side of it is overstated. there is no question. a little the taxes they are talking bout. no one likes to pay more taxes, but the effect on the market, the things that are being proped woulde overstated. i don't think a downgrading by the credit agencies is factored into pple's thinking. so that part of it, if they do something that makes the credit agencies, all of them in unison downgrade as to something elow think about this, that is not a good thing. that disturbs the markets. lou: so and other smart people watched, the speaker off fumbled through his rhetoric to say how tough he is and how resolute the white hose will be in all of this. the reaction is in the markets, if it goes another couple of weeks. >> people are saying we are all idiots. people who don't have anything to do with washington and we have to live in places where we are the safest. the debt market or the equities market, particularly the equities market. china, germany, the u.s. they can survive these crazy politicians. lou: tell important. what do you think we can expect? >> far less significance than it has in the past several quarters. in addition peoplpay less attention to it. lou: and the strength. >> i'm going togiie you a very positive thing. the housing industry in the u.s. is absolutely turned around. china istrying back. so you have three major underpinnings well these idiots are doing what they're doing. lou: okay. as always to agree to talk to you. at the box office, vampires in love. james bond with a slow holiday weekend. entertainment twilight finale pulli in 17 million. tops of the box office. the twilight saga breaking don part two has mad more than $700 million worldwide. the latest bond flick making another 17 million. pulled in just about 870 million wodwide. the richest total ever in this series. coming in third. thirteen and a half million dollars for the weekend. up net, the fiscal cliff. a proposal of his own. the president. what does he think? is it a joke? we will take it up with michael ramirez in just a moment. is our population at risk? a super bug now plaguing this nation's health care facilities. we are joined to assess the threat and the prospects or a public-health response next. ♪ lou: we do not want to the frightened or concern anyone with these new reports but we think the responsibility braise it to you. the reports of hospits with in at has been a very quiet battle against a deadly super bug that is resistant to most of not t all antibiotics. at this deadly bacteria has been reported and hospitals and nursing homes across 42 states in this country. a growing fear is that they could make it way into the neral population. joining us now to help us assess what is happening here, a level of the threat and the possible responses by the medical science community, fo news senior medical contributor has written extensively about and mx and this has the prospects of becoming one. first off, good to have you with us. >> good to see you. lou: cre stands for something that i could not possibly pronounced. >> it unds very foreboding and mysterious and deadly, which is. lou: and it is so deadly and it is spreading. the original report, when we first saw the report. and i want to give them credit for that. the idea that this drug is absolutely drug proved to all non antibiotics, is that truly the case? >> not entirely. each time you see this there is occasionally an antiotic that actually can be used against it, but often this 25, 26 antibiotics tested against this but n't work. and tuallyit is good to talk about this because it is a symptom of what is wrong with the current situation in medicine are we see people sicken a i see you. we throw a very powrful antibiotic got them, something like merope n.m., which is what fun talking about. lou: the last line of defense. >> right. and the bacteria makes millions and millions of colonies. it sees this drug and over time will develop resistance. th particular resistance was developed back in 201, but it has been spreading. they bring it to a nursing home. it is hard totrack it. lou: to this point crt has not been found. >> id is not yet in the communities. we saw that. it ended up in the gym. worried about that here. 40 percent. 40 percent. lou: a comparable disease. >> to give you an idea, you don't see that with hiv or tuberculosis. the biggest problem from a business point of view is that the drug companies don't have an incentive to try to find to give the antibiotics to kill this. even giant said ue every day. mething like this you only would use if you had the deadly bacteria, so it is not profitable for a drug compann to even, but the solution to this problem. they try to mop up they don't have any. no antibiotics out there were all the time against this, and it is going. lou: and there is no drug in the pipeline. >> no drug in th pipeline. you heard me say efore in the current climate under obamacare the pipelines are starting to dry. this is not going to be solved easily, and it is growing. the centers for disease control are conerned about this particular venture area. lou: the infectious disease society, one or more drugs lled. 100,000 hospital patients every year and costs the health care system more than $34 billion ch and every year. tragedy in the nfl. what drives a professional athlete to murder and suicide? 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[splash! ♪ lou: our next guest says presidt obama see democracy as a form of social inequality. in a recent cartoon he draws a young barack obama at the blackboard. government. joining us, a pulitzer prize-winning editorial cartoonist. he is a two-time pulitzer prize-winning editorial cartoonist senior editor with investors business daily. great to have you with us. be appreciated so much. i loveyour cartoons, and i would nt to adjust, if wemay, go to a few more f them to get your remarks. i want to first it your idea of what you think of the fiscal cliff. you have tough find this to be rich father. >> absolutely. i always suggest, but the best tag riders in the world work for politicians. this white hse is giving me plenty of fodder forcurtains. and it is funny to think about these events, but a very traumatic and seious. they avoid the fiscal clff. we are talking about over $607 billion worth of money taken out of the economyext year. lou: i just want to put up the next cartoon that we have. it matters not which one you select. but this is one of my favorites. the debt commission saying it is verydifficult. is very complicated and then cut spending. i don't think you could have cut better on to the essence of the issue. the absurdity creating obstacles to that resolution in washington d.c. >> but the problem here is that frankly there is a fine and out capital that can be used up their divided either in the private sector which reates businesses and jobs and federal revenue or given to the government which is just a bureaucracy and creates nothing but bureaucratic management. if you look atthe last gop congress and the expenditures, about two and half trillion dollars and now the president's proposals are about 4 trillion in spending with deficits and increased. it is the economy. lou: it trly is. and i want to also if we may put up the cartoon. we do this very elegantly here. please put up the cartoon. the envelope. i just wanted to see that. it is great. the corner from the nation of achievement, minstream america usa to the nation of entitlement . i mean, that s to meet not only with the committee is brilliant. can we put that back up? i want to show you something. some might mess in that cartoon. if you look at the stamp in the upper right, and $0.0. it is a food stamp. i have to say, we are looking at a president who is willing, as you know, an assistant on $82 billion of tax increases on thso-called wealy, the top@ 2%. and that is going to amount to just about nine days, almost nine days a lot bring the federal government's. more and more absurd proportions >> it really is absurd. when you think about it, the deficits cast, ove a trillion dollars for the next four years. freckly this will add $80 billion a year. it i nonsense. it is a parody of reality, and the blood is not responsible about their duty is being fiscal managers for the united states. when you think about that, $20 trillion in four years. if you paid off a dollar a second you'rtalking about 670,000 years to pay is tough. the response is impractical, and when you look at the biggess growth which is entitlements and think about the dynamic shift in the demographics, people are getting older, living longer, the costs attributed to that with less workers, our population is not growing at much to mike catastrophic. if they don't do something realistic to curb spending problem. lou: as of tonight it looks like there is nothing ralistic going on in washington d.c. imagine that. it is great to talk with you. i hope he will come back soon and often. amazing, as you saw. editorial cartoonist. up next ralph nader headlines a triumvirate of angry liberals over the weekend. we will have that straight ahead.3 up tomorrow former ways and means committee chairman, fox is military analyst with a new book. among ou guests. stay with us now. the dow's doctors ginside the mind of an nfl player turned killer. by acid reflux disease. osteoporosis-related bone fractures and low magnesium levels have been seen with nexium. rhea, and abdominal pain. other serious stomach conditions may still exist. talk to your doctor about nexium. lou: senior u.s. officials have beg moving its chemical weapons over recent days. president obama arning syrian president against using those weapons. >> today i want toake it absolutely clear, the world is watching. the use of chemical weapons is and would be totally unacceptable. and if you make that tragic mistake of using these weapons, there will be consequences, and you will be held accountable. lou: president obama stops short of saying what steps the united states would take for the regime to cross the so-called redline. battling anti-government rebels for two years. more than 40,000 people a been killed in the fight. angry liberals out in full force over the weekend. among them former five time presidential candidate liberal activist ralph nader same president obama is worth divorce then president bush. he does not r with the part and his speech in charlotte and the democtic national convention, the most politically suffer speech, more aggressive. he has basically stated that he has th authority to kill an american citizen or citizens anywhere in the world if he suspects them of trouble. lou: after a university profsor compared republican lawmakers abiding by the grover norquist anti-tax pledge as seditious and treasonous. up next in nfl star murders his girlfriend, takes his own life in front of his coach and general manager. but le him -- was led him to those acts? 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[ male announcer ] frost brewed coors light. the world's most refreshing beer! lou: back with the doctors, let me turn to this, the instance of cannibalism, it seems to be happening more, i can't remember hearing so many instances of it. >> historically. you know cannilism has been documented. for the most part people who enge in this are really severe lehman tally ill -- mentally ill or a severe personal dee disorder, there is a sexual component. that when you are eating somebody like in case of police officer who was looki for -- the new york city, roast for thanksgiving there was a sexua component. it can feel erotical most like an orgasm. i am good, you are evil, i am eating you, i am putting you out of your misery. >> possessing their life force, possessing their psychology, that is pa of that, but also look at what is happening on the streets with those scenes of cannibalism, people are taking the bath salts that are psycho stistatement rattle that there deuces strength that is why police cannot subdue some of these people, that is part of the process too. lou: let's turn, i think the saying goes, i have had quite enough of that. >> talk about finances. lou: in a way, turning to fisca cliff, watching joh john boehned president obama, play out on a national stage, a game that i'm not sure that media gets or perhaps they. as astute as they are. this is risking everything for a lot of people. what do you make of it? and their attitudes, their demeanor? >> it sounds like everybody is trying to be right, that is interfering with negotiating that needs to happen for what is best for our country and the people who live a love this untry. >> in some ways almost a testosterone contest, you do sothing, i'm going to do something better, this is not about winning for the american people, it is about winning for the party, -- >> the mighty ego. >> i can do it betterhan you it has to be who wins and who loses. it is unsettling for the american people, it interferes with the american people in terms of spending. >> except the american people have come to accept this, they are not that bothered of by it any more, they are used to the game of chicken. lou: but looking at projects, talking about 10 million people unemployed. and talking about another recession, that is -- >> credit rating already was reduced. this is dangerous. >> we doo't want to end up like europe. lou: thank you very much doctors, appreciate i >> thank you. lou: now time for your comments, bob in houston saying, i hope that barack obama gets all of the taxes he wants, i will be the first to say i told you so when consequences happen, people le t
the sky taken place in public. today no exception with the speaker will have very public press conference demonstrating with unimpeachable clarity that spending cuts, not tax hikes, are the essentials resolution to the fiscal clough. the speaker used visual aids, this visual aid specifically to show how far government spending will be outpacing revenue in the years ahead, which makes utterly irrelevant the president's ultimate in on tax hikes. >> this line is that current baseline for revenue. here if the president got everything he wanted, over 1 trillion in taxes, this is what that would represent. but if you look at the spending problem you see it does nothing, nothing to solve the spending problem that our country as. lou: that very public demonstration of of flaw in the administration's fiscal logic leading to a public request from president obama. he called the speaker to the white house for a 5:00 p.m. out-of-public-review meeting and both men ffering no public discussion of their very private meeting. luckily no coincidence that it took place on this to my getaway day for the house of representatives and the senate. the lower chamber leaving washington for a long weekend before the meeting. meanwhile, the white house confirmed today that susan rice won't be the next secretary of state. u.n. ambassador susan rice asking the president to remove her name from consideration to replace outgoing secretary of state content. democratic sources telling our ed henry that rice is likely to be the president's choice to become the next national security adviser. we take ll of that up here tonight with fox news digital politics editor from a veteran political strategist, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations. now the late breaking developments on the fiscal cliff talks and the impact of the withdrawal of susan rice from consideration to be the next secretary of state, fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry with our report. >> president obama was not fretting about the fiscal cliff as he strolled to a holiday party joking with fox news about the warm weather and expressing hope for a deal. >> how are you feeling about a deal, optimistic? >> the speaker not so hopeful. >> is this issue, spending. >> again railing against what he claims are not enough spending cuts in the white house proposal and slamming the president's push for executive power to raise the debt ceiling, something he says democrats never would have given former president george w. bush. >> to you think there is any chance that senator reid or then senator obama would have done that? zero. congress has never come to give up our ability to control the purse. >> a new poll suggests the public wants spending rain in with 49 percent saying the federal government provides too many services, 20% say too few services, 25 percent say the right amount. the talks are now so far off track, a senior democrat tells fox that a private dinner on wednesday senate majority leader harry reid told colleagues he now believes getting a major deal to avoid a fiscal cliff by christmas is almost impossible. unless they're is a dramatic last-minute agreement by the president and the speaker that includes tax and spending changes, momentum is gaining around a plan be in which the house passes the senate bill to extend the middle-class tax cuts and allowed taxes to go upon the rich and leaves the spending fight to next year. >> in case of emergency the house should break the glass. the house speaker ought to allow the republicans to vote on extending tax cuts for 98 percent of the american people which would deal with a chunk of the so-called fiscal cliff. >> while the white house has been confident the president has the upper hand, new nbc news was street journal poll suggests otherwise. asked to gets the blame if washington goes off the cliff, 19 percent said the president and democrats, 24 percent said republicans, and 56 percent said they would be equally to blame. a new poll goes even further. asked if income-tax is go up to there be major spending cuts. 89 percent said yes. a 9 percent said no. lou: thank you. fox news chief white house correspondent. joining us with more on this battle over taxes, spending cuts, and whether there is any political leaders left in our nation's capital, political strategist, pollster and joining us fox news drizzle politics editor. gentlemen, thank you for being here. our colleague just reporting, and henry, that one possible outcome is that the republicans say, oh, yeah. we will protect the middle class from tax hikes and go away for christmas and new year's and come back to talk spending cuts. how would you rate that in order of probability? >> it is getting increasingly probable, and it is a pretty simple reason why. the republicans know, as the president said when he was talking to barbara walters, rates are going up. the only question is how are they going to go up. the president -- the reason the president is willing to talk at all right now is because of these across-the-board increases and cuts, but at the same time his best political leverage is the looming increase for the majority of federal income tax payers. the thinking among some republicans is by taking that out of the equation and just going ahead and extending it they can have a different discussion and can have the president's top smacking them around in public. lou: you know, with all deference year, if the speaker needs some relief from this banking and slapping around that he's getting here, it seems like what he did today is the appropriate approach. he said, this is the law of the land. if you want to change the law of the land we have to deal with the issue that is, as he demonstrated to my don't know why it took so long to put that chart out, but he did so. it's a spending problem. it's irresponsible to talk about taxes. in the logical significant for the president, but it is absolutely meaningless in terms of feeling substantive -- dealing substantively and meaningfully with the spending problem that is utterly bankrupt in the country. >> it's about time he said that and it's about time his message were clear. if you think of the people are attacking him, you got to pay them to do it. he sounds more rational than some of those republicans. lou: those who would like to play their role, if you will, of eric cantor circa 2011. everybody got a lesson during the tea party years. the speaker, even though there is much discussion in the national media, the speaker seems to have the lead of this party. he seems to have the support of this party, and those who are in opposition seem to be utterly on the fringe. >> the name of the game in politics, and we talk about this all the time, managing expectations. the speaker has been held by the president tremendously in keeping his caucus together because the president has been so unstinting in his attacks on the republicans and unyielding on his question of taxes. very able to go back to his caucus. a real problem with this guy. and in the logical semantics fight, and a freeze are breaking apart we will be in big trouble quickly. lou: reseeded certainly command with the newest "wall street journal" nbc poll, it looks like the polling has improved or they started talking to rational people who seem to see this as the fault of both republicans and democrats. >> it's -- it's great news that people are not being ideological about both parties fan. but the problem is, up until now the president is confronted with a strong component -- opponent. always tougher, but yeah, but the conclusion. lou: you do agree, he is that strong her opponent. >> a lot of people by all the way back to newt gingrich have gone bust betting against the speaker. deceiving the strong on a lot of these points. the great strength that he has is it does not make a lot of sudden moves, not prone to erratic behavior. very steady and is seeing this through. the president believes there convince the president of the republicans have had it with him and don't trust them to do the bigger deal. if he does not come to the table with actual cuts there is no way that anything is going to happen lou: receiving support as well in the latest polling by fox and the wall street journal. coming out and saying he wants to take a higher age -- he wants to make the age for qualification for medicare -- he wants to take that completely off the table. it looks as though the fractionalized nation is taking place within the democratic party of the republican. >> the president can go along with it. lou: will we have a deal? >> it looks a lot more likely now than it did two days ago. the president certainly to my tank, has to understand that if he does play this game and take it out to that end is not what happens on the other side of the cliff with the deepening anxiety among consumers and among businesses leading to this moment it does the real damage and could trigger a recession. >> i could not agree more. lou: all right. always on the mark. good to have you with us. we also have fox news polling suggesting the obama administration is paying the political price for its response to the terrorist attack and benghazi. according to latest fox news polling 65 percent of voters say a president should have ordered troops to help the americans at the consulate under fire from those terrorists. the administration has carried out a cover-up of what happened. 42 percent said the obama administration is not covering of. the former ambassador to the united nations joining us next. abuse of a higher power. the obama epa ready to regulate mother nature now. one virginia community is fighting the impending storm. shannon green with a live report. good economic news. investors nervous about the fiscal clef. what does 2013 have in store? 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(blowingou) ask your doctor about spiriva. ♪ lou: it may appear to you that wall street is being held hostage by washington and the negotiations over the fiscal cliff. investors are beginning to pay attention to nearly every word and development on the fiscal cliff. u.s. economists and ubs will give us his assessment and outlook on this economy and markets in just moments here. first, and that the "moneyline" tonight weekly jobless claims falling while larger than expected number, down 29,000. retail sales up. nearly 4% above the report from one year ago. the speakers pessimism at his morning news conference provided a reason to sell for some and investors. it bears of the late afternoon meeting between the president and the speaker brought starts off lows, but the dow closed down 75 points, s&p nine breaking a 60 winning streak. nasdaq down 22. 3 million shares on the big board traded. and some dancing in the offices of a bugle and news that apple has conceded failure on apple maps and has agreed to bring to the maps to the iphone. electronics store, he will make an offer to take the company private by december 15th, saturday. the stock a top performer, but on the year down about 40%. the treasury market, the selling goes on pushing the yield on the tenure tel 173%. crude oil down closing at $85.89 per barrel. joining me now, u.s. economist. let me start, -- well, irst, welcome. >> thanks for having me. lou: the little thing like the fiscal cliff approach, looking at what could be the biggest tax hike in american history. you can fiddle with the numbers and argue i guess. also, the most significant seven spending cuts in history, sequestration is a fact. what is your take as to what will be the impact if we go over the cliff? >> if we go over the cliff and no agreement is reached, even in early 2013, the economy is going to have for recession. lou: unquestionably. >> unquestionably. the economy right now is just kind of in a moderate pace of growth right now somewhere around probably a little bit below 2 percent. if you get that tax increases that are scheduled and slated to be implemented january 1st, it's just going to be unsustainable for the consumer to spend and it will take hold where the recession is inevitable. lou: and today, watching the market, it seems to me that we were watching a rather direct transmission of jitters from washington d.c. straight to investors as we watch the market react to the press conference. the speaker then starting to act like something had really happened because a meeting was taking place at the white house. this is -- is this the onset of this bill cliff anxiety? >> i think so. at think we're probably still another two weeks away or so from an ultimate compromise. i do thinkka deal would get done. whether or not it gets done before january 31st is anybody's guess, but i do think the odds are probably in favor of getting it done closer to january 301st, december 31st , probably with a drop dead date of the inauguration. lou: drop dead date of the inauguration. on the market. that is a fearful expression. and it is also very terrible thing to contemplate, the fact that neither the president nor the speaker likely has any idea of what would be a smart move, at least as far as the markets in the economy going forward. the speaker held up that chart. do we have that chart? i think it's terrible that he did not have that charter until today. have we get that? we have to bring it up here. but this is the clearest chart. we have done number of things to show what will happen over the course of ten years to 25 and a half trillion national debt, whether it is the speaker or the obama or do nothing. as we look at this chart, i mean, it shows clearly the spending is the problem. we have folks, like to characterize them and words of my wife would not approve of. we have some characters who are talking like a hike in taxes on the 2% is meaningful. it is purely theological and is not even address the real issue. >> i agree with that. i don't think the economy can sustain higher taxes. it does look like that higher taxes are inevitable for the upper-income individuals. it seems like the president feels he has a mandate to bring the tax rate up. now, they are higher savers, so if that is part of the deal, higher income individuals will pay higher taxes, whether or not it goes all the way back up to 39% for so, that is debatable. you can figure out several different permutations, but i do think that it is inevitable that part of the deal will have higher taxes. lou: my view that has been for a certain portion of the so-called higher earners, this will not be significant to raise that rate to 39. six. most people with an honest looked, it's frankly a gift. whether it was bid for the economy are not, we saw was in the years immediately following, tepid, some of the worst performance of job creation in this economy, frankly, not much worse and so we look to what happened after that 2000 financial economic crisis. this has been remarkable. and no one is talking with real conviction or with great credibility about what it's going to take to get this economy going again. we are watching these folks haggle over the dam fiscal cliff we have an economy that needs to start growing, and we need to start creating jobs and get honest about business practices and public policies that will be at least, incentivized their creation. >> i completely agree with that. i think their is a lot of red tape and regulation that is holding back this economy for backing up momentum. we have had job growth of 140 or so thousand over the past six months if you look at payroll growth. we need something more like posted a 200,000 a month to really make a heavy, meaningful way and out of growth pick up to about the potential. but to the politicians in washington don't feel, at least the private sector can take the baton from here and continue to try to spend and continue to try to cut interest rates and that policy. i think that opens up the door for, you know my real problem down the road. lou: down the road. let's talk about 2013. ben bernanke, two and a half percent inflation is the new target. six and a half% unemployment. did you ever think you'd hear the fed chairman said monetary policy will now have a target of six and a half% unemployment rather than other indices and indicators? >> well, it was up pretty surprising move yesterday that they and ounces economic outcome based approach to policy rather than what they have been doing, telling you that rates will remain low until mid 2015. they have been moving in this direction, but the timing was a little bit surprising that they announce there already going to go that route. lou: a band-aid on the fiscal cliff, just enough to take off the front page of the newspapers in the first segments of broadcasts. is that enough to up in sure public perception and let the economy and 2013 roll on positively? >> we will see. so far the consumer has just last week began airport from the university of michigan that said that this will cliff is really worrying consumers ahead of this important holiday shopping season. so is the market's portion of politicians in washington. that could be one way you may get a deal sooner than later. lou: i don't know which way to cross my fingers for in that deal. thank you for being here. we appreciated. up next, one of syria's biggest supporters committing the murders rain is at an end. straight ahead, we have had our differences with the epa. well, we are not here to tell you that we have back catch them all up. the latest power grab a cpa in charge of mother nature, and it could force you and other taxpayers to simply forfeited your home. our report next. ♪ ♪ lou: more red tape. the associated press reported the obama administration is quietly rolling out dozens of major new regulations now that the election and campaign scrutiny is over as if it were ever very, well, powerful. covering everything from greenhouse gas emissions to oil drilling to wall street. one of the more controversy regulations requiring all new cars to have black boxes beginning in 2014. supporters say those data recorders we will help determine what caused the crash. privacy advocates argue that it is interested technology and is likely to be abused. one of the government agencies that has earned a reputation for abuse is the obama administration epa. the state of virginia is suing the epa, accusing it of regulatory overreach in its efforts to control said in a buildup from a creek in fairfax county. fox news correspondent shannon green now live in washington with the report. >> going to prevent an enormous amount of development just with this one regulation. >> virginia republican attorney general says the environmental protection agency plan to regulate a single creek and the commonwealth could cost state and county officials nearly half a billion dollars and private property owners their homes and businesses by forcing the virginia department of transportation and fairfax county viejo to control storm water runoff on land they don't own. >> what they're going to have to do his things like take people's houses, evict them, not the houses down, and plant grass so that the water does not float and instead soaks into the earth >> the epa says water, when there is too much to my can be classified as a pollutant giving them broad regulatory powers under the clean water act. a federal lawsuit was filed against the epa earlier this year which was joined with the democratic control fairfax county board of supervisors to despite their political differences and agree with the assessment of what the epa is proposing is illegal. the dispute we will land in federal court on friday with the epa has been arguing its plan is in harmony with the broader purposes of the clean water act, including congresses' objectives of protecting the physical and biological integrity of waters and reducing the water quality impacts of storm water. the they signed on to the lawsuit, allowing the epa to move forward with this plan would grant the agency's sweeping new regulatory power over private property. critics say it is of high. >> we are told by various lawyers involved in is that there is no possibility of homes being removed in this process. that is a little bit of an overstatement might the opposition to this effort. >> the parties we will meet face-to-face before a federal judge friday morning with a plan to start asking for an injunction to block the entire epa plan. by the way, the attorney general told me that if the epa really wants to get control the situation in may have to consider adding got to the lawsuit. lou: well, the arrogance of this environmental protection agency and its administrators, they might just think that would be appropriate. thank you so much, as always. this next story will to do much to bolster your trust in government. the "wall street journal" reporting the national counter-terrorism center now has a massive database of the civilian information that it plans to use to track innocent people for possible suspicious behavior without probable cause. the database to potentially include everything from flight information to health records and it can be kept for up to five years. some and the obama administration or reportedly opposed to the government dragnet and invasion of privacy, but attorney-general eric holder approved it anyway. house speaker no armed with graphics and the right message on the fiscal cliff. >> if you look at the spending problem you see it does nothing. nothing. not to sell the spending problem lou: did he just sees high ground? the "a-team" on that and much more. striking health care workers and one judge appointed by the national labor relations board siding with and are you ready, the union. imagine that. the benghazi backlash. john kerry emerging as the leading contender to be 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[ male announcer ] lease a 2013 c250 fo$349 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. ♪ lou: ambassador susan rice withdrawing her name from consideration for secretary of state coming as there is conflicting information about whether the current secretary of state will be answering questions from lawmakers on the benghazi attack one week from today. joining us now, former ambassador to the united nations, fox news contributor : john bolton. ambassador, good to have you with this. withdrawing her name, acknowledged the controversy and moving out of the way of the president's, well, his political initiatives. what is your reaction? >> well, obviously has to be difficult for her, but i think she looked at the road ahead in the senate and concluded it was not worth it. think it may well be a smart tactical withdrawal on her point. she might become a national security adviser in her second term. john kerry might become secretary of state but not stay the full four years. i think this is, as i say to my difficult decision, but certainly not the end of susan rice in the obama administration lou: a new poll shows by a wide margin in this just today, president obama should have sent our troops to benghazi upon learning about that terrorist attack against our consulate. your reaction? >> it does not surprise me. i tell you, although some people have said susan weiss -- susan rices withdraw will now allow benghazi to sink beneath the red-green, i really don't think so. i'd think it will have the opposite effect. i think senator mccain has already made that point. the controversy over the potential nomination was diverting attention. with that cloud removed i think those who want to focus on it will be able to, and it will now be very hard for the obama administration to hide behind the pretense that this is just a way of getting susan rice. that is why the testimony next week could be so important, if she shows up, which i guess is now in doubt. lou: there seems to be some ambiguity about all of that from the side of the state department's. we are getting some considerable suggestion from the russians. we are also assessing what is going on with china, but it appears that there is a broadening acknowledgement that the days of a sob are nearing an end. your thoughts? >> i think this statement by russian deputy foreign minister is quite significant. this is the first visible sign the russians think that he cannot be saved. there has never been any doubt about that. if he is about to lose power throughout the country and the opposition takeover, the russians have to be very worried about their naval base, the direction and new government will take, what this means for their position in the middle east as a whole. i hope they don't decide it will go after somebody like mohammad morrissey. lou: is there any possibility in your mind what we are watching is a bit of a ruse? that there is a deal and that russia is just simply letting events transpire to persuade others that they simply lost this when in fact they have assurances from the u.s. for their naval base and for continued representation, presence in the region? >> it is possible, but it does not look like it. there's no indication that iran is prepared to blank. i think even if russia tries to climb down to make up with the opposition to try to mitigate its losses, there is no guarantee the civil war will be over any time soon. lou: thank you for being here. appreciated. up next, it destroyed hotdog cart and the vandalized hospital one very important thing in common. alleged union back to thackeray. those stories straight ahead. here tomorrow, former national security council spokesperson, the lease jordan, south carolina attorney general, political strategists, fox is contributor, along our guests. please be with us. stay with us. ♪ lou: michigan residents rallying to help a local hot dog vendor whose catering equipment was destroyed earlier this week by a group of union thugs. a staple outside the lansing capital for the last 16 years. but on tuesday, union demonstrators tore down the tent where he was serving and smashed his gear. fortunately, word spread about the incident, and an on-line petition has raised more than $30,000 for him. he is back in business. a federal judge ordering a connecticut nursing home chain to reinstate nearly 600 striking union workers, despite allegations that some of them put patients' lives at risk. the judge in the case is a clinton appointee, ruling the company should have bargained more with the aclu workers before imposing pension and health care cuts. workers are now allowed back on the job next week, even though there is still an ongoing criminal investigation into acts of sabotage and a criminal acts on the part of some of those workers. the company claiming that before they went on strike some of the employees change the names of several patients doors, real cheers, remove residents wristbands, stickers indicating of the patients should be safely fed. this followed 19 months of negotiation, and ted judge was selected by the national labor relations board. we will keep you up-to-date. angry liberal at and senior giving the president some outrageous and vice. >> there should be this lingering infestation of really corrupt people instead of trying to dismantle the wishes of the people, the man they said has been given to barack obama. i don't know what more they want. the only thing left is to work on third world dictators. lou: clever. you know, he is also very supportive of hugo chavis. i don't know. maybe there's something in it all. up next, we will take it up with the "a-team". the speaker talking with the president. we just don't know about what. they're coming right back. ♪ copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day. people with copd taking advair may have a higher chance of pneumonia. advair may increase your risk of osteoporosis and some eye problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking advair. if you're still having difficulty breathing, ask your doctor if including advair could help improve your lung function. get your first fu prescription free and save on refills advaircopd.com. ♪ lou: joining us now, the "a-team," author, radio talk-show host, fox news contributor, author, columnist, pulitzer prize-winning editorial cartoonist, senior editor. good to have you with this. jetted diet, today, a 5:00 meeting following the speaker's news conference. they would not talk about what they discussed. what is your reaction? a we going to have a fiscal cliff resolution? >> in niece to keep this simple and pass a bill that represents what he stands for. down understand why he is negotiating so much. president obama is becoming less flexible. lou: back in july they passed the bill. >> right now he needs to say, i'm not going to be negotiating with myself anymore. this is what we stand for. we want to keep these tax rates on all of americans the same. we don't want to raise taxes on anyone. he is bringing out all of these charts saying a lot to talk about spending. he should have been talking about it to begin with. this should not be an argument about taxes. lou: do you agree? >> i agree. look at this administration. they have added over 5 trillion to the national debt in record time, four years. and they come up with a plan that does not even include real dramatic cuts in spending but rather increases. imagine if that was fed back into the private market, what kind of innovations and job creation it would create. that is the bottom line. how you get a sustained economic growth and revenue from growth, not from tax revenue. $82 billion that does not even test the deficit. lou: i think the speaker stepped up big time. the clearest his message has been. with the visually that he had showing that the real problem is spending which we have been saying incessantly from the beginning, i think he took -- by really think he sees the high ground in this negotiation. >> i hope he meant to today. when you look at the last four years, president obama has generally talked a good game about wanting to work with republicans across the aisle, deal with entitlements. every time the republicans run toward him like your little puppies ready to negotiate in good faith, and every single time the president pulls the rug at the very end. lou: breaking our hearts. >> breaking hearts. this time around coming immediately after the election he feels like he does not hold any cards. i was heartened to hear what he had to say. really hope he means it can and i hope he is willing to stick to his guns. already put nearly a hundred billion of revenue on the table. now he's going to be talking about spending. it's a little late in the game, but i think this president wants to go over the cliff. he once the rates to go up, the defense sequester, and that think he's ready to take the nation know or. lou: to that would say to my take a look at this cartoon. michael ramirez. there it is. i love this. belonging obviously to a union member supporter. amongst my favorite bumper stickers, of course, would be proud liberal, your money, our choice. i love that. if you can see that there, it is terrific. pro-choice, just not for workers. we will take that up with the "a-team" year in just moments. we're coming right back. ♪ you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. look this isn't my first christmas. these als all seem great at e time... but later... 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the sky taken place in publi today no exception with the speaker will have very public press conference demonstrating with unimpeachable clarity that spending cuts, not tax hikes, are the essentials resolution to the fiscal clough. the speaker used visual aids, this visual aid specifically to show how far government spending will be outpacing revenue in the years ahead, which makes utterly irrelevant the president's ultimate in on tax hikes. >> this line is that current baseline for revenue. here if the president got everything he wanted, over 1 trillion in taxes, this is what that would represent. but if you look at the spending problem you see it does nothing, nothing to solve the spending problem that our country as. lou: that very public demonstration of of flaw in the administration's fiscal logic leading to a public request from president obama. he called the speaker to the white house for a 5:00 p.m. out-of-public-review meeting and both men ffering no public discussion of their very private meeting. luckily coincidence that it took place on this to my getaway day for the house of representatives and the senate. the lower chaer laving washington for a long weekend before the meeting. meanwhile, the white house confirmed today that susan rice won't be the next secretary of state. u.n. ambassador susan rice asking the president to remove her name from consideration to replace outgoing secretary of state content. democratic sources telling o ed henry that rice is likely to be thepresident's choice to become the next national security adviser. we take ll of that up here tonight with fox news digital politics editor from a veteran political strategist, former u.s. ambassador to the united nations. now the late breaking devepments on the fiscal cliff talks and the impact of the withdral of susan rice from consideration to be the nxt secretary of state, fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry with our report. >> president obama was not fretting about the fiscal cliff as he strolled to a holiday party joking with fox news about the warm weather and expressing hope for a deal. >> how are you feeling about a deal, optimistic? >> the speaker not so hopeful. >> is this issue, spending. >> again railing against what he claims are not enough spending cuts in the white house proposal and slamming the president's push for executive power to raise the debt ceili, something he says democrats never would have given former president george w. bush. >> to you think there is any chance that senator reid or then senator obama would have done that? zero. congress has never come to give up our ability to control the purse. >> a new poll suggests the public wants spending rain in with 49 percent saying the federal government provides too many services, 20% say too few services, 25 perce say the right amount. the talks are now so far off track, a senior democrat tells fox that a private dinner on wednesday senate majority leader harry reid told colleagues he now believes getting a major deal to avoid a fiscal cliff by christmas is almost impossible. unless they're is a dramatic last-minute agreement by the president and the speaker that includes tax and spending changes, momentum is gaining around a plan be in which the house pass the senate bill to extend the middle-class tax cuts and allowed taxes to go upon the rich and leaves the spending fight to next year. >> in case of emergency the house should break the glass. the house speaker ought to allow the republicans to vote on extending tax cuts for 98 percent of the american people which would deal with a chunk of the so-called fiscal cliff. >> while the white house has been confident the president as the upper hand, new nbc news was street journal poll suggests otherwise. asked to gets the blameif washington goes off the cliff, 19 percent said the president and democrats, 24 percent said republicans, and 56 peent said they would be equally to blame. a new poll goes even further. asked if income-tax is go up to there be major spending cuts. 89 percent said yes. a 9 percent said no. lou: thank you. fox news chief white house correspondent. joining us with more on this battle over taxes, spending cuts, and whther there is any political leaders left in our nation's capital, political strategist, pollster and joining us fox news drizzle politics editor. gentlemen, tha you for being here. our colleague just rporting, and henry, that one possible outcome is that the republicans say, oh, yeah. we will protect the middle class from tax hikes and go away for christmas and new year's and come back to talk spending cuts. how would you rate that in order of probability? >> it is getting increasingly probable, and it is a pretty simple reasonwhy. the republicans know, as the president said when he w talking to barbara walters, rates are going up. the only quesion is how are they going to go up. the president -- the reason the president is willing to talk at all right now is because of these across-the-board increases and cuts, but at the same time his best political leverage is thlooming increase for the majority offederal income tax payers. the thinking among some repuicans is by taking that out of the equation and just going ahead and extending it th can have a different discussion and can have the president's top smacking them around in public. lou: you know, with all deference year, if the speaker needs some relief from this banking and slapping around that he's getting here, it seems like what he did today is the appropriate approach. he said, this is the l of the land. if you want to change the law of the land we have to deal with the issue that is, as he demonstrated to my don't know why it tk so long to put that chart out, but he did so. it's a spending problem. it's irresponsible to talk about taxes. in the logical significant for the president, but it is absolutely mningless in terms of feeling substantive -- dealing substantively and meaningfully with the spending problem that is utterly bankrupt in the country. >> it's about time he said that and it's about time his message were clear. if you think of the people are attacking him, you got to pay them to do it. he sounds more rational than some of those republicans. lou: those who would like to play their role, if you will, of eric cantor circa 2011. everybody got a lesson during the tea party years. the speaker, even though there is much discussion in the national media, the speaker seems to have the lead of this party. he seems to have the support of this party, and those who are in opposition seem to be utterly on the fringe. >> the name of the game in politics, and we talk about this l the tme, managing expectations. the speaker has been held by the president tremendously in keeping his caucus together becausethe president has been so unstinting in his attacks on the republicans and unyielding on his question of taxes. very able to go back to his caucus. a real problem with this guy. and in the logical semantics fight, anda freeze are breaking apart we will be in big trouble quickly. lou: reseeded certainly command with the newest "wall street journal" nbc poll, it looks like the polling has improved or they started talking to ational people who seem to see this as the fault of both republicans and democrats. >> it's -- it's great news that people are not being ideological about both parties fan. but the problem is, up until now the president is confronted with a strong component -- opponent. always tougher, but yeah, but the conclusion. lou: you do agree, heis that strong her opponent. >> a lot of people by all the way back to newt gingrich have gone bust betting against the speaker. deceiving the strong on a lot of these points. the great strength that he has is it does not make a lot of sudden moves, not pronee to erratic behavior. very steady and is seeing this through. the president believes there convince the president of the republicans have had it with him and don't trust them to do the bigger deal. if he does not come to the table with actual cuts there is no way that anything is going to happen lou: receiving support as well in the latest polling by fox and the wall street journal. coming out and saying he wants to take a higher age -- he wants to make the age for qualification for medicare -- he wants to take that completely off the table. it looks as though the fractionalized nation is taking place within the democratic party of the republican. >> the president can go along with it. lou: will we ha a deal? >> it looks a lot more likely now than it did two days ago. the president certainly to my tank, has to understand that if he does play this game and take it out to that end is not what happens on th other side of the cliff with the deepening anxiety among consnsumers and among businesses leading to this moment it does the real damage and could trigger a recession. >> i could not agree more. lou: all right. always on the mark. good to have you with us. we also have fox news polling suggesting the oba administration is paying the political price for its response tohe terrorist attack and benghazi. according to latest fox news polling 65 percent of voters say a president should have ordered troops to help the americans at the consulate under fire from those terrorists. the administration has carried out a cover-up of what happened. 42 percent said the obama administration is not covering of. the former ambassador to the unit nations joining us next. abuse of a higher power. the obama epa ready to regulate mother nature now. one virginia community is fighting the impending storm. shannon green with aive report. good economic news. investors nervous about the fiscal clef. what does 2013 have in store? 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[splash!] ♪ lou: it may appear to you that wall street is being held hostage by washington and the negotiations over the fiscal cliff. investors are beginning to pay attention to nearly everword and development on the fiscal cliff. u.s. economists and ubs will give us his assessment and outlook on this economy and markets in just moments here. first, and that the "moneyline" tonight weekly jobless claims falling while larger than expected number, down 29,000. retail sales up. nearly 4% above the report from one year ago. the speakers pessimism at his morning news conference provided a reason to ell for some and investors. it bears of the late afternoon meeting between the president and the speaker brought starts off lows, but the dow closed down 75 points, s&p nine breaking a 60 winning streak. nasdaq down 22. 3 million shares on the big board traded. and some dancing in the offices of a bugle and news thatapple has conceded failure on apple maps and has agreed to bring to the maps to the iphone. electronics store, he will make an offer to take the company private by december 15th, saturday. the stock a toperformer, but on the year down about 40%. the treasury market, the selling goesn pushing the yield on the tenure tel 173%. crude oil down closing at $85.89 per barrel. joining me now, u.s. economist. let me start, -- well, irst, welcome. >> thanks for having me. lou: the little thing like the fiscal cliff approach, looking at what could be the biggest tax hike in american history. you can fiddle with the numbers and argue i guess. also, the most significant seven spending cuts in history, sequestration is a fact. what is your take as to what will be the impact if we go over the cliff? >> if we go over the cliff and no agreement is reached, even in early 2013, the economy is going to have for recession. lou: unquestionably. >> unquestionably. the economy right now is just kind of in a moderate pace of growth right now somewhere around probably a little bit below 2 percent. if you get that tax increases that are scheduled and slated to be implemented january 1st, it's just going o be unsustainable for the consumer to spend and i will take hold where he recession is inevitle. lou: and today, watching the market, it sems to me that we were watching a rather direct transmission of jitters from washington d.c. straight to investors as we watch the market ret to the press conference. the speaker then starting to act like something had really happened because a meeting was taking place a the white house. this is -- is this the onset of this bill cliff anxiety? >> i think so. at think we're probably still another two weeks away or so from an ultimate compromise. i do thinkka deal would g done. whether or not it gets done before january 31st is anybody's guess, but i do think the odds are probably in favor of getting it done closer to january 301st, december 31st , probably with a drop dead date of the inauguration. lou: drop dead date of the inauguration. on the market. that is a fearful expression. and it is also very terrible thing to contemplate, the fact thateither the president nor the speaker likely has any idea of what would be a smart move, at least as far as the markets in the economy going forward. the speaker held up that chart. do we have that chrt? i think it's terrible tt he did not have that charter until today. have we get that? we have to bring it up here. but this is the clearest chart. we have done number of things to show what will happen over the course of ten years to 25 and a half trillion national debt, whether it is the speaker or the obama or do nothing. as we look at this chart, i mean, it shows clearly the spending is the problem. we have folks, like to characterize them and words of my wife would not approve of. we have some characters who are talking like a hike in taxes on the 2% is meaningful. it is purely theological and is not even address the real issue. >> i agree with that. i don't think the economy can sustain higher taxes. it does look like that higher taxes are inevitable for the upper-income individuals. it seemsike the president feels he has a mandate to bring the tax rate up. now, they arehigher savers, so if that is part of the deal, higher income individuals will pay higher taxes, whether or not it goes all the way back up to 39% r so, that is debatable. you can figure out several different permutations, but i do think that it is inevitable that part of the deal will have higher taxes. lou: my view that has been for a certain portion of the so-called higher earners, this will not be significant to raise that rate to 39. six. most people with an honest looked, it's frankly a gift. wheth it was bid for he economy are not, we saw was in the years immediately following, tepid, some of the worst performance of job creation in th economy, frankly, not much worse and so we look to what happened after that 2000 financial economic crisis. this has been remarkable. and no one is talking with real conviction or with great credibility about what it's gog to take to get this economy going again. we are watching these folks haggle over the dam fiscal cliff we have an economy that needs to start growing, and we need to start creating jobs and get honest about business practices and public policies that will be at least, inctivized their creation. >> i completely agree with that. i think their is a lot of red tape and regulation that is holding back this economy for backing up momentum. we have had job growth of 140 or so thousand over the past six months if you look at payroll growth. we need something more like sted a 200,000 a month to really make a heavy, meaningful way and out of growth pick up to about the potential. but to the politicians in washington don't feel, at least the private sector can take the baton from here and continue to try to spend a continue to try to cut interest rates and that policy. i think that opens up the door for, you know my real problem down the road. lou: down he road. let's talk about 2013. ben bernanke, two and a half percent inflation is the new target. six and a half% unemployment. did you ever thinkyou'd her the fed chairman said monetary policy will now have a target of six and a half% unemployment rather than other indices and indicators? >> well, it was up pretty surprising move yesterday that they and ounces economic outcome based approach to policy rather than what thy have been doing, telling you that rates will remain low until mid 2015. they have been moving in tis direction, but the timing was a little bit surprising that they announce there already going to go that route. lou: a band-aid on the fiscal cliff, just enough to take off the front page of the newspapers in the first segments of broadcasts. is that enough to up in sure public perception ad let the economy and 23 roll on positively? >> we will see. so far the consumer has just last week began airport from the university of michigan that said that this will cliff is really worrying consumers ahead of this important holiday shopping season. so is the market's portion of politicians in washington. that could be one way you may get a deal sooner than later. lou: i don't know which way to cross my fingers for in that deal. thank you for being here. we appreciated. up next, one of syria's biggest supporters committing te murders rain is a an end. straight ahead, we have had our differences with the epa. well, we are not here to tell you that we have back catch them all up. the latest power grab a cpa in charge of mother nature, and it could force you and other taxpayers to simply forfeid your home. our report next. ♪ americans are always ready to work hard for a better future. sincemeriprise financial was founded back in894, they've been committed to putting clients first. helping generations through tough times. good times. never taking a bailout. there when you need them. helping millions of americans over 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washington with the report. >> going to prevent an enormous amount of development just with this one regulation. >> virginia republican attorney general says the environmental protection agency plan to regulate a single creek and the commonwealth could cost state ancounty officials nearly half a billion dollars and private property owners their homes and businesses by forcing the virginia department of transportation and fairfax county viejo to control storm water runoff on land they don't own. >> what they're going to have to do his things like take people's houses, evict them, not the houses down, and plant grass so that the water does not float and instead soaks into the earth >> the epa says water, when there is too much to my can be classified as a pollutant giving them broad regulatory powe under the clean water act. a federal lawsuit was filed against the epa earlie this year which was joined with the democratic control fairfax county board of supervisors to despite their political differences and agree with the assessment of what the epa is proposing is illegal. the dispute we will land in federal court on friday with the epa has been arguing its plan is in harmony with the broader purposes of the clean water act, including congresses' objectives of protecting the physical d biological integrity of waters and reducing the water quality impacts of storm water. the they signed on o the lawsuit, allowing the epa to move forward with this plan would ant the agency's sweeping new regulatory power over private property. critics say it is of hih. >> we are told by various lawyers involved in is that there is no possibility of homes being removed in this process. that is a little bit of an overstatement might the opposition to this effort. >> the parties we will meet face-to-face before a federal judge friday morning with a plan to start asking for an injunction to block the entire epa plan. by the way, the attorney geeral told me that if the epa really wants to get control the situation in may have to consider adding got to the lawsuit. lou: well, the arrogance of this environmental protection agency and its administrators, they might just think that would be appropriate. thank you so much, as always. this next story will to do much to bolster your trust in government. the "wall street journal" reporting the national counter-terrorism center now has a massive database of the civilian information that it plans to use to track innocent people for possible suspicious behavior without probable cause. the database to potentially include everything from flight information to health records and it can be kept for up to five years. some and the obama administration or reportedly opposeto the government dragnet and invasion of privacy, but attorney-general eric holder approved it anyway. house speaker no armed with graphics and the right messa on the fiscal cliff. >> if you look at the spending problem you see it does nothing. nothing. not to sell the spending problem lou: did he just sees high ground? the "a-team" on that and much more. striking health care workers and one judge appointed by the national labor relations board siding with and are you ready, the union. imagine that. the benghazi backlash. john kerry emerging as the leading contender to be secretary of state. ambassador john bolton with the analysis here next. you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing u relieving the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. i look up to a lot of the older heads, you know, the innovators, the heads of the art movements of the past. they kept it really edgy, and, like, a lot of the latin american muralists and the latin american artists, their styles are very unique and new to their time, you know, somewhat controversial, but that's who i look up to mainly. personally, i'm very 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president's, well, his political initiatives. what is your reaction? >> well, obviously has to be difficult for her, but i think she looked at the road ahead in the senate and concluded it was not worth it. think it may well be a smart tactical withdrawal on her point. she might beome a national security adviser in her second term. john kerry might become secretary of state but not stay the full four years. i think this is, as i say to my difficult decision, but certainly not the end of susan rice in the obama administration lou: a new poll shows by a wide margin in this just today, president obama should have sent our troops tobenghazi upon learning about that terrorist attack against our consulate. your reaction? >> it does not surprise me. i tell you, although some people have said susan weiss -- susan rices withdraw will now allow benghazi to sink beneath the red-green, i really don't think so. i'd think it will have the opposite effect. i think senator mccain has already made that point. the controversy over the potential nomination was diverting attention. with that cloud removed i think those who want to focus on it will be able to, and it will now be very hard for the obama administration to hide behind the pretense that this is just a way of getting susan rice. that is why the testimony next week could be so important, if she shows up, which i guess is w in doubt. lou: there seems to be some ambiguity about all of that from the side of the state department's. we are getting some considerable suggestion from the russians. we are also assessing what is going on with china, but it appears that there is a broadening acknowledgement that the days of a sob are nearing an end. your thoughts? >> i think this statement by russian deputy foreign minister is quite significant. this is the first visible sign the russians think that he cannot be saved. there has never been any doubt about that. if he is about to lose power throughout the country and the opposition takeover, the russians have to be very worried about their naval base, the direction and new government will take, what this means for their position in the middle east as a whole. i hope they don't decide it will go after somebody like mohammad morrissey. lou: is there any possibility in your mind what we are watching is a bit of a ruse? that there is a deal an that ruia is just simply letting events transpire to persuade others that they simply lost this when in fact they have assurances from the u.s. for their naval base and for continued representation, presence in the region? >> it is possible, but it does not look like it. there's no indication that iran is prepared to blank. i think even if russia tries to climb down to make up with the opposition to try to mitigate its losses, there is no guarantee the civil war will be over any time soon. lou: thank you for being here. appreciated. up next, it destoyed hotdog cart and the vandalized hospital one very important thing in common. 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a we going to have a fiscal cliff resolution? >> in niece to keep this simple and pass a bill that represents what he stands for. down understand why he is negotiating so much. president obama is becoming less flexible. lou: back in july they passed the bill. >> right now he needs to say, i'm not going to be negotiating with myself anymore. this is what we stand for. we want to keep these tax rates on all of americans the same. we don't want to raise taxes on anyone. he is bringing out all of these charts saying a lot to talk about spending. he should have been talking about it to begin with. this should not be an argument about taxes. lou: do you agree? >> i agree. look at this administration. they have added over 5 trillion to the national debt in record time, four years. and they come up with a plan that ds not even include real dramatic cuts in spending but rather increases. imagine if that was fed back into the private market, what kind of nnovations and job creation it would create. that is the bottom line. how you get a sustained eonomic growth and revenue from growth, not from tax revenue. $82 billion that does not even test the deficit. lou: i think the speaker stepped up big time. the clearest his message has been. wi the visually that he had showing that the real problem is spending which we have been saying incessantly from the beginning, i think he took -- by really think he sees the high ground in this negotiation. >> i hope he meant to today. when you look at the last four years, president obama has generally talked a good game about wanting to work with republicans across the aisle, deal with entitlements. every time the republicans run toward him like your little puppies ready to negotiate in good faith, and every single time the president pulls the rug at the very end. lou: breaking our hearts. >> breaking hearts. this time aroun coming immediately after the election he feels like he does not hold any cards. i was heartened to hear what he had to say. really hope he means it can and i hope he is willing to stick to his guns. already put nearly ahundred billion of revenue on the tabbl. now he's going to be talking about spending. it's a little late in the game, but i thik this president wants to go over the cliff. he once the rates to go up, the defense sequester, and that think he's ready to take the nation know or. lou: to that would say to my take a look at this cartoon. michael ramirez. there it is. i love this. belonging obviously to a union member supporter. amongst my favorite bumper stickers, of course, would be proud liberal, your money, our choice. i love that. if you can see that there, it is terrific. pro-choice, just not for workers. we will ta that up with the "a-team" year in just moments. ♪ ♪ [ engine revs ] ♪ [ male announcer ] oh what fun it is to ride. get the mercedes-benz on your wish list at the winter event going on now through december 31st. 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[ male announcer ] lease a 2013 e350 for $579 a mont at your local mercedes-benz dealer. lou: we re just talking aut michael's latest editorial cartoon. i love it. pro-choice, but not for workers as it follows the festivities in lansing, michigan, where conservative coedians, they got physical with him. i don't want to say violence. i just can't understand the behavior that isn't reported on the whole time he will, broadcast networks. only abc even alluded to violence during a demonstration. >> writes. it was much worse than the other stat as well. they imposed their philosophical ideas of the money to union members pay, and it goes to the political progressives. lou: michael, that is an overstatement. only 93% of the money raised by e public employee unions goes to democrats. that hyperbolic language, michl, i think it is incredible. i don't think most people knew about it until this week. >> remember that the same networks that ignored what happened to stephen crocker, they spent months trying to find beilenson the tea party so they had something to report. i know we have a legitimate use of violence, you have it on video. they refuse to knowledge that it is happening. >> it wasn't just to stephen, it was others who have their livelihood stomped on. you had americans for prosrity, the attempt was torn down by the unions. you are dealing with a very corrupt and incestuous relationship between the union, the democratic party, and the media. they are all on the same ideological page and they all protect each other. >> it is a matter of the media trying to inflate -- the people they support from exposure. we saw that not only in the case of the unit, but we saw that this was the biggest lie of the year, and i could name a dozen obama flies that were far worse. lou: we have time. the idea that susan rice has dropped out of the contest for secretary of state, it is clear that secretary of state clinton is exiting. is john kerry -- is a great idea? if you talk about embarrassing moments at a hearg, despite all the bipartisan good will, as my have some very awkward moments for this president. >> i think she would've been a bigger distraction. but i think a lot of the comments he has made with respect to our troops, yes, this is not going to be something that folks on the right would embrace in a position of leadership. i think when people were talking about him in regards to the secretary of defense, a lot of things were about how he treated our troops poorly and i worry about him in opposition. absolutely. >> i can tell you that editorial cartoonists are all giving standing ovations at the prospect of john kerry being the nominee. the sad thing is that he is probably a better choice than susan rice. lou: we will see this transparent administration and his commitment to this
♪ lou: good evening. the pounding, deafening drumbeat for gun control is rising. emanating principally from washington, the present, and members of his party in congress the tragedy at santee elementary school in loudobbs@foxbusiness.com connecticut provoking calls for solutions and prevention of such budget. >> are we really prepared to say that we are powerless in the face of such carnage? that the politics are too hard. now we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom? lou: several democratic lawmakers echoing the president's statements within all the hours of that shooting in pushing for a new second amendment of chechen. the senate's number two democrat says congressional hearings on gun control are on the way. senator dianne feinstein telling to get an assault weapon ban bill on the floor next month. senator chuck schumer of new york since in a political opportunity, passing gun-control insulation. >> i think we could be added to pinpoint for two reasons. to pinpoint where we might actually get something done. first, this was not a single incident. second, of course, it involves children. lou: hardly anyone is using to talk about mental illness, the disaffection of the mentally disturbed, the importance of a strong family and how to better protect our schools. we'll be taking on those issues tonight, talking with former homeland security director and virginia tech review panel member governor tom ridge. also, a closer look at what congress is having some much trouble getting answers from america's top diplomat on the benghazi terrorist attack.. author jean marie last this on her new book, hidden america, which celebrates the people that are too often ignored but do the jobs that make our lives in this country work. our first guest tonight says gun laws are critical part of this national discussion, but the country also needs, he says, to respond to the mental health issues when it comes time mass shootings as well as the corrosive influence of the digital world in the culture of violence. joining us, former common security secretary, former governor of pennsylvania, tom ridge, who also served on the review panel to study the virginia tech shooting which claimed the lives of 32 people. good to have you with this. let's start with the culver legislation here, senator dianne feinstein is putting forward something that looks very familiar to you which is the assault weapons ban which he supported when you were in congress back in 1994. what are your thoughts? >> i think it certainly understandable, predictable that the first focuses on the instruments of this tragedy, the instruments of war, and those of the firearms and the guns. i think, and i hear reread to pinpoint. this is a game changer. i heard the same language upper columbine and virginia tech and the or shootings. we hear it again. unless we take a far more comprehensive look at the root causes of some of this violence, a single piece of legislation is going to do very little. it may do some and have some impact on reducing the risk of further tragedy such as this, but the effect will be limited. we have to talk about other rights and challenges, the right to privacy, mental health record i do think in spite of the disagreement that i have put some people that the corrosive impact of the violence, particularly on those troubled with mental health challenges, i do think it has an impact on their view of life and people without those challenges with look differently. >> we are seeing some surprising pronouncements from across the political spectrum. senator joe mansion, who you know, coming up to talk about banning assault weapons again. actor jamie foxx from the left, some would argue the far left talking about the need to constraint violence and hollywood in media. we are starting to see now more than 72 hours after the tragedy in connecticut, we are starting to see some sensibility present itself in terms of dealing straightforwardly and honestly with this issue. overdue. >> if you take a look at some of the more significant high-profile incidents, the whole association of these murders and massive killings, and we go back and take a look at the perpetrators and to take a look at the self expressions of either suicidal tendencies or their intent to kill. planned activities. self-destructive behavior. many of them certainly in the case in virginia tech had a clear pattern of mental-health illness. as a matter of fact committed to rereading pattern of mental-health illness. until we wrestled around the notion that we have to get away from stigmatizing mental health and figure out a way to make sure that those who are being treated for mental health problems don't have access to firearms, until we wrestle with the very complicated problems of privacy, particularly with regard to medical conditions, now they're focusing on guns and gun regulations, but unless we look holistic we unfortunately this pattern will probably repeat itself. lou: the characteristics you were talking about also are an analog for laughter, the gunman in tucson and appear at least some of those characteristics to appear in this tragedy in new town connecticut. so little discussion from one event to the next try to understand the psychology, the context, and the public policy can this that is relevant, and rare looking at what has been over the course of the last 50 years, an extraordinary series of public policy decisions where it comes to mental health, as you weel know in this country. many of them a travesty and for which we are paying very, very high price indeed. >> sadly, again, shows such as yours and others that have always tough fashion the discussion, it really needs to be a rational boffo discussion about the measures that we can take in predictably and understandably guns are going to be a focus. the complexity of the issue is far more than just dealing with the instruments of terror. @% know, think of all the parties and celebrations around this holiday season. can you imagine the conversation with one parent saying to another, well, how was your son doing? well, pretty well, but we had some mental health problems in these and the treatment of their peak. we have stigmatize did, but we don't stigmatize alcoholism or drug abuse which is a pervasive problem that we will have o get our arms around. those who have these mental problems should not have access to firearms. there are other changes that i think would be legitimately considered. columbine, i think you had a phantom wore a straw buyer or to, somebody who bought the weapon and give it to somebody else. in new he was under -- the virginia courts city is a danger to himself in this community and it is able to buy a firearm. the complexity of the issue calls for rational discussion. lou: thanks for being with us. president obama's first callll after winning his second termter went to president bill clinton. hey, what happened to governore chris christie? former clinton special counsel wnd steven haze of the weeklye standard dryness. the boys use capital one venture miles for their annual football trip. that's double miles you can actually use. tragically, their ddy got sacked by blackouts. but it's our tradition! that's roughing the card holder. but with the capital one venture card you get double miles you can actually use. 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>> well, i'm sorry if i did not directly answer your message. that is not the reason. lou: we will catch up. >> they're racial analysis is not the reason that romney african americans supported a fellow african american the same way irish catholics to, but if barack obama had been against helping people who are in the underclass, the lower economic level, if he had not proposed policies that african americans can support then take a look at women. the fact that mitt romney was still talking about the pro-life position and the anti-gay rights position on social issues, he lost because of his message to hispanic because he was in favor of self supporting 11 million people. that is why i mentioned his positions and their substance i not what i think it -- it means there was contrast. lou: what do you mean? >> there are a number of areas in which there was not enough contrast. if you look at the way that romney talked about taxes, apologetic. very effectively made mitt romney looked like he was going to raise taxes on the middle-class. that was the cry based on this one study. weeks and weeks and weeks. any time the rpublican candidate is viewed as the tax sector. in many had to defend his position in the debate he was a way out of his way to say, if you are wealthy and all you're not getting any tax cuts, and it was a defensive argument on a fundamental issue rather than pointing president obama had twice argue in public that raising taxes in an economic downturn would doom the economy. the president of the united states said that and iran on a proposal. lou: two things that seem peculiar. i would love for both of you to respond. i heard a lot of bonn, abou the tea party. the tea party did not exist in this election. it was a non fctor. why in the world would there be so much concern in the republican party about the tea party. why was there an idea that you're better off today than you were four years ago and pick 2008 as the year, he baseline, and it was a lousy year. in point of fact, just about everybody is. what o you make? very quickly. >> your immediate question, yes, we were better off than the depths of being in a whole. president clinton explained the argument that we were climbing t. by that time election day, the percentage of people is of the country going in their right correction,saw the economy improving, higher than has been, ronald reagan when he was reelected. lou: i don't have the time. >> he was there. lou: this is the -- why did he call -- mixing his old boss. why did he not call first governor chris christie who gave him the photo op, four and half hours and a big hug there was persuasive to just about 15 percent of the voters. should that not have been his first document. >> probably did not want to run again. facing a lot of questions like those. lou: there are no questions. a man and it is president the gilded photo, embedded in the minds of 15 percent of the voters. >> i agree. i said that before. as said it would happen. i thought that was going to be a big factor, a it turns out it was. i don't think it ends up deciding the election. lots of other things that ended up, but there is no question that having chris christie give president obama that figurative and literal embrace of the national tage a week before the election when he was the keynote speaker at the republican convention was held to the president's. >> and the your out of time. of all was right on the issue according to the poll and is supported his position. lou: we will take note of two things. your candid one. your former boss played a bi part. wewould bot agree that governor christie probably should have been telling you know, a conference call to the know, a conference call to the both of [ malennouncer ] it's tt time of year again. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you realldon't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it findone, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. [ male announcer ] now all youeeis a magic carriage. citi price rewind. start saving at citi.com/pricerewind. agree with mr. obama when he said, we can't tolerate this any more. he's right. but we are tolerating so much that we should not in this country. should we tolerate the murders of almost 500 people in one city over 01 your time frame? preserve our national grief for 20 children and six adults slaughtered in a matter of minutes last friday. should there be as well a presidential presence in multi religion prayer vigil in chicago perhaps as well a speech by the present to the nation. and please don't misunderstand me. i applaud the president's sense of words and the time he shared with the families of the citizens of the town yesterday to my but he would also urge reflexion and consideration of the facts when we know them and take into account the fact that we do know. chicago right now is the murder capital of this country. those killings in chicago have risen to 20 percent of the past year. up 20%. despite the almost always on mentioned fact that chicago has one of the toughest gun-control laws of almost any city in this country. the president called for change and change is underway. a federal appellate court tossed out the state of illinois ban of concealed weapons. the last state to deny that right to its citizens. compared illinois to states that permit concealed carry like virginia and in the five-year time guarantee does is extends to those mullen, two dozen sex- 2011, a lot of facts in this, but there are facts that we need to assemble and examine together to have a national discussion. there will be more and more each night on this broadcast. on that five your time from the number of firearms but in the state of virginia rose by an astonishing 73%. just firms. the total number of gun related violent crimes fall by 24% in at 5 your time during. in fact, violent crime in this country has been steadily plummeting since 1990, something a lot of people are not taking note of. in 1990 to stem the 2 million violent crimes were committed. last year 2011 that number had fallen to one to. 600,000 fewer crimes as our population grew by 25%. the number includes mass shootings. in the 2000's there were 26. that's down from 32 in the 1990's. something else has changed. in 1990 it was reported that 78 percent of those surveyed, 78 percent wanted a stricter, tougher gun loss. today that number is 44%. what is the right answer? we will come to a decision about that, national consensus, if you will, if our political leaders, community leaders, national leaders accept the idea that there cannot be a rush to judgment, a reflexive response but rather an intelligent assessment of the facts, facts that we don't even know yet in newtown conn., facts that we have to keep in mind as we assess what is happening in our society, the influence of media, culture, and back to new town. we will, in this discussion, if our leaders live up to their titles, assess the facts. tonight, on the verge of collapse. egyptians not as enthusiastic for their new constitution as the muslim brotherhood will like . tierney and democracy in the middle east next. ♪ she has a concussion. joining us now, a pulitzer prize-winning journalist and fox news contributor judith miller, editor of a long board journal, senior fellow at the foundation for defense of democracies, and it's good to have you with us. let me begin with you. this report, in your judgment going to allay concerns, answer the questions that are posed about what happened to you is responsible. >> it's going to shut a lot of what a lot of the questions that you and other people have been asking repeatedly about benghazi. pinkerton, the man who is in charge of this is really experienced, seen all of the kind of excuses before. he knows how to assign blame. lou: do you agree, bill? >> i don't agree as much. i think washington certainly has a culture of covering for each other. i don't see that this report is pointing such stark figures. i expect there will be a lot of ops vacation on the point of who is actually responsible, and we won't see. in the wake of september 11th no one resigned and was fired. i don't expect any fee to be held to the fire from much smaller incident like and gusty. lou: the accountability, the fact is there is one, i guess we can call him producer of an amateurish video. that person is in jail. there has been no other accountability for the events that transpired. i want said -- just to support bills point there, i want to turn to, if i may, secretary clinton's absence from the congressional inquiry process. she said she did not want to testify. the first time she was in asia with the president. the second time she had said she did not want to testify. the third sign she said she had a concussion and then everyone kamal of us would be concerned about her well-being, but the concussion came at the most fortuitous time. are you at all suspect? >> in washington and even in new york one must be suspicious of all claims of this kind. however, i do believe that if a doctor says she has a concussion she has a concussion. whether or not is the most politically fortunate call for at this point and i don't know. in a report like this the ambassador is going to have to answer some of the questions that we have been raising. and blame will have to be assigned. there are four dead americans. we cannot just forget about the income pretended did not happen. we have to ask tough questions about security. hillary clinton has been a master at dodging either appearing on air, she put out susan rice instead to do that. she has been a master so far of dodging responsibility. lou: define a. >> except she can claim. she says, i accept responsibility before the president did. lou: it was such a stampede to accept responsibility that one gets lost and some of the numbers. but i think we have to point out that the facts are that she says ambassador rice appeared on those fox stations not at the request of secretary clinton but rather the white house itself. i don't know if that is a distinction without a difference . your final thoughts on benghazi. what we can reasonably hope for. the heck with hope for. what do you think we can reasonably expect here? >> what i think we should hope for is -- lou: okay. hope for. >> i think all this talk about susan rice is sort of a reflection from the real issue and the press release to ask these questions. i would like to think that this report will get to the bottom of it. it seems like everybody is turning the other way and running instead of taking responsibility for modifying the talking points. we knew within 12 hours of the attack that they were involved in this attack on benghazi, and yet we're told that this attack was coming out of some protest. that's not the case. there was never a protest. an organized attack on the consulate. the american public should be made aware of that. unfortunately there were not given the truth prior to the election. lou: they were, to be associated with fox news, they were apprised of those facts. in fact, the fact that the group had posted on its website of morning of the attack before it occurred as well as claiming credit for it after it happened. i take your point and thank you for being here and hope you'll come back soon. thank you soe much. fiscalpr cliff fight, competing si proposals. l bunce when did leaders talkabou about talking but not sit down at the same table? what is wrong with obama and the they speaker? ris they really think this is aam? game? michael ramirez of investor's business daily joins us next. ♪ copd makes it hard to breathe, but with advair, i'm breathing better. so now i can be in the scene. advair is clinically proven to help significantly improve lung function. unlike most copd medications, advair contains both an anti-inflammatory and a long-acting bronchodilator working together to help improve your lung function all day. advair won't replace fast-acting inhalers for sudden symptoms and should not be used more than twice a day. people with copd taking advair may have a higher chance of pneumonia. advair may increase your risk of osteoporosis and some eye problems. tell your doctor if you have a heart condition or high blood pressure before taking advair. if you're still having difficulty breathing, ask your doctor if including advair could help improve yo lung function. get your first full prescription free and save on refills at advaircopd.com. ♪ lou: our next guest says president obama see democracy as a form of social inequality. in a recent cartoon he draws a young barack obama at the blackboard. he is a two-time pulitzer prize-winning editorial cartnist senior editor with investors business daily. great to have you with us. be appreciated so muh. i love your cartoons, and i would wat to ajust, if we may, go to a few more of them to get your remarks. i want to first it your idea of what you think of the fiscal cliff. you have tough find this to be rich father. absolutely. i alwys suggest, but the best tag riders in the world work for politicians. this white house is giving me plenty of fodder for curtains. anit is funny to think about these events, but a very traumatic and serious. they avoid the fiscal cliff. we are talking about over $607 billion worth of money taken out of the economy next year. lou: i just want to put up the next cartoon that we have. it matters not which one you select. but this is one of my favorites. the debt commission saying it is very difficult. is very complicated and then cut spending. i don't think you could have cut better on to the essence of the issue. the absurdity creating obstacles to that relution in washington d.c. >> but the problem here is that frankly there is a fine and out of capital that can be used up their divided either in the private sector which creates businesses and jobs and federal revenue or given to the government which is just a bureaucracy ad creates nothing but burearatic management. if you look at the lt gop congress and the expenditures, about two and half trillion dollars and now the president's proposals are about 4 trillion in spending with deficits and increased. it is the economy. lou: it truly is. and i want to also if we may put up the cartoon. we do this very elegantly here. please put up the carto. the envelope. i just wanted to see that. it is great. the corner from the nation of achievement, mainstream america usa to the nation of entitlement . i mean, that s to meet not only with the committee is brilliant. can we put that back up? i want to show you something. some might mess in that cartoon. if you look at the stamp in the upper right, and $0.0. it is a food stamp. i have to say, we are looking at a president who is willing, as you know, an ssistant on $82 billion of tax increases on the so-called wealthy, the top@ 2%. and that is going to amount to just about nine das, almost nine days a lot bring the federal gornment's. more andmore absurd proportions >> it really is absurd. when you think about it, the deficits cast, over a trillion dollars for e next four years. freckly this will add $80 billion a year. it is nonsense. it is a parody of reality, and the bld is not responsible about their duty is being fiscal managers for the united states. when you think about that, $20 trillion in four years. if you paid off a dollar a second you're talking about 670,000 years to pay is tough. the response is impractical, and when you look at the biggess growth which is entitlements and think about the dynamic shift in the demographics, people are geing older, livi longer, the costs attributed to that with less workers, our population is not growing at much to mike catastrophic. if they don't do something realistic to curb spending problem. lou: as of tonight it looks like there is nothing ealistic going on in washington d.c. imagine that. it is s money and where it goes. you heard me talk for years about importae of our middle class and respect for those who work. no matter what the job. next, a terrific author whose new book celebrates the workers of what she calls hidden american coal. coal miners are part of what my next guest calls the hidden american, the people we seldom notice, but who do the jobs that make our lives livable and make this nation work, joining me now is jean-marie it is great to have you with us, congratulations, a terrific book, i love the fact that you focus on the people who as you suggestion, with the title, we don't think enough about who we don't resct enough who we don't express enough gratitude for, what made you start on this book. >> the notion that we're really disconnected. this election cycle, these are people who we have very abstract conversations about, we talk about what theyment, what they are asking for, who they are, we actually don't know them as individuals, two years ago i was in a coal min meeng theolks and got interested in the fac that there are all these people that i depend on eve day in my life. lou: this is taking you on a journey, you know cowboys, migrant workers you name it. what is it you want "the reader" to take away from your book. because it i always, make the language dance, a terrific book, a terrific read, but, there is something gnawing at your craw you want to communicate to folks, what is that one thing, if it could be summed up. >> i think that stories take on a life of their own, and reader will attach to a character in a different way, however, i will say for me on this journey, through america, in this way, it is really challenged my inner spoiled brat, like we walk around as if these are our rights, light, our trash will disappear, the things will just happen, if they don't happen right, you know there is something that been you know we've been treated wrong or something. and we forget. lou: we're entitled. >> yes, ande forget they are privileged, that are built on the backs of millions of hard working americans. lou: i like the way you looke at cowboys, i tell sort of us -- i will not say surprisedve everyone in america wants to be rich, and famous and known, a lot of people doing a lot of jobs, they don't want to be noticed. you know air traffic controllers, they don't want you to hear about them, that means they messed up, they are like angels up there in their towers. lou: there are people who don't want to be as you said, 1% but they don't want to be part of that whatever that perceet is that lives on entitlement who n't work, who don't want to contribute or who don't want to find their full potential, and realize the opportunities of a life that is there and they could seize it. that independence, that self-reliance you don't hear that much. >> i found that over again, i don't know who these people are that wehink we want to live a life of entitl en tightment hani do not know who those people are, these are hard, you know americans work hard, they want to work hard. it is not as if this is a you know some abstract notion for them, people like their jobs. you know they like doing these things. >> they like working. >> yes, my goodness. lou: they don't want to depend on government? >> i think they -- >> i justmented to see if we could -- i just wanted t see if we could get that far. >> i think they want to be taken care of at the hospital when they go there and make se they have enough money to pay medical bills,. lou: they want to make a living wage, that and i think that is something that everyone should have -- that is an entitlement, there should be an opportunity to make a good living, that is something we let the sob's take away, that is something we have to get fixed. maybe this november 6 wwll be a opportunity. >> this depends on who those sob's are. lou: first thing to do is identify the sob's you get a language way toward doing that. -- long way toward doing, that jean-marie,ry hav we have identa terrific writer, a wonderful book. you can go to her web site. and pick it up in your bookstore. any number of places, did i mention lou dobbs.com too. mention lou dobbs.com too. it is great to see you, all the i look up to a lot of the older heads, you know, the innovators, the heads of the art movements of the past. they kept it really edgy, and, like, a lot of the latin american muralists and the latin american artists, their styles are very unique and new to tir time, you know, somewhat controversial, but that's who i look up to mainly. personally, i'm very excited about going to college. it's something new, and it's something different than what i'm used to. i'm definity going to be a little out of my element, but that's what makes it so exciting is that, you know, it's something fresh. well, there's so many opportunities that i think i could miss out on if i didn't go, you know. getting into college takes planning and vision. you know, it's just like when i take a brick wall and turn it into a canvas for my art. painting's helped me realize i've got what it takes. time for citi price rewind. because your daughter really wants that pink castle thing. and you realldon't want to pay more than you have to. only citi price rewind automatically searches for the lowest price. and if it findone, you get refunded the difference. just use your citi card and register your purchase online. have a super sparkly day! ok. 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♪ lou: good evening. the pounding, deafening drumbeat for gun control is rising. emanating principally from washgton, the present, and members of his party in congress the tragedy at santee elementary school in loudobbs@foxbusiness.com connecticut provoking calls for solutions and prevention of such budget. >> are we really prepared to say that we are powerless in the face of such carnage? that the politics are too hard. now we prepared to say that such violence visited on our children year after year after year is somehow the price of our freedom? lou: several democratic lawmakers echoing the president's statements within all the hours of that shooting in pushing for a new second amendment of chechen. the senate's number two democrat says congressional hearings on gun control are on the way. senator dianne feinstein telling to get an assault weapon ban bill on the floor next month. senator chuck schumer of new york since in a political opportunity, passing gun-control insulation. >> i think we could be added to pinpoint for two reasons. to pinpoint where we might acally get something done. first, this was not a single incident. second, of course, it involves children. lou: hardly anyone is using to talk about mental illness, the disaffection of the mentally disturbed, the importance of a strong family and how to better protect our schools. we'll be taking on those issues tonight, talking with former homeland security director and virginia tech review panel member governor tom ridge. also, a closer look at what congress is having some much trouble getting answers from america's top diplomat on the benghazi terrorist attack.. author jean marie last this on her new book, hidden america, which celebrates the people that are too often ignored but do the jobs that make our lives in this country work. our first guest tonight says gun laws are critical part of this national discussion, butthe countrylso needs, hesays, to respond to the mental ealth issues when it comes time mass shootings as well as the corrosive influence of the digital world in the culture of violence. joining us, former common security sectary, former governor of pennsylvania, tom ridge, who also served on te review panel to study the virginia tech shooting which claimed the lives of 32 people. good to have you with this. let's strt with the culver legislation here, senator dianne feinstein is putting forward something that looks very familiar to you which is the assault weapons ban which he supported when you were in congress back in 1994. what are your thoughts? >> i think it certainly understandable, predictable that the first focuses on the instruments of this tragedy, the instruments of war, and those of the firearms and the guns. i think, and i hear reread to pinpoint. this is a game changer. i heard the same language upper columbine and virginia tech and the or shootings. we hear it again. unless we take a far more comprehensive look at the root causes of some of this violence, a single piece of legislation is going to do very little. it may do some and have some impact on reducing the risk of further tragedy such as this, but the effect will be limited. we have to talk about other rights and challenges, the right to privacy, mental health record i do think in spite of the disagreement that i have put some people that the corrosive impact of the violence, particularly on those troubled with mental health challenges, i do think it has an impact on their view of life and people without those challenges with look differently. >> we are seeing some surprising pronouncements from across the political spectrum. senator joe mansion, who you know, coming up to talk about banning assault weapons again. actor jamie foxx from the left, some would argue the far left talking about the need to constraint violence and hollywood in media. we are starting to see now more than 72 hours after the tragedy in connecticut, we are starting to see some sensibility present itself in terms of dealing straightforwardly and honestly with this issue. overdue. >> if you take a look at some of the more significant high-profile incidents, the whole association of these murders and massive killing and we go back and take a look at the perpetrators and to take a look at the self expressions of either suicidal tendencies or their intent to kill. planned activities. self-destructive behavior. many of them certainly in the case in virginia tech had a clear pattern of mental-health illness. as a matter of fact committed to rereading pattern of mental-health illness. until we wrestled around the notion that we have to get away from stigmating mental health and figure out a way to make sure that those who are being treated for mental health problems don't have access to firearms, until we wrestle with the very complicated problems of privacy, particularly with regard to medical conditions, now they're focusingn guns and gun regulations, but unless we look holistic we unfortunately this pattern will probably repeat itself. lou: the characteristics you were talking about also are an analog for laughter, the gunman in tucson and appear at least some of those characteristics to appear in this tragedy in new town connecticut. so little discussion from one event to the next try to understand the psychology, the context, and the public policy can this that is relevant, and rare looking at what has been over the course of the last 50 years, an extraordinary series of public policy decisions where it comes to mental health, as you weel know in this country. many of them a travesty and for which we are paying very, very high price indeed. sadly, again, shows such as yours and others that have always tough fashion the discussion, it really needs to be a rational boffo discussion about the measures that we can take in predictably and understandably guns are ing to be a focus. the complexity of the issue is far more than just dealing with the instruments of terror. @% know, think of all the parties and celebrations around this holiday season. can you imagine the conversation with one parent saying to another, well, how was your son doing? well, pretty well, but we had some mental health problems in these and the treatment of their peak we have stigmatize did, but we don't stigmatize alcoholism or drug abuse which is a pervasive problem that we will have o get our arms around. those who have these mental problems should not have access to firearms. there are other changes that i think would be legitimately considered. columbine, i think you had a phantom wore a straw buyer or to, somebody who bought the weapon and give it to somebody else. in new he was under - the virginia courts city is a danger to himself in this community and it is able to buy a firearm. the complexity of the issue calls for rational discussion. lou: thanks for being with us. president obama's first callll after winning his second termter went to president bill clinton. hey, what happened to governore chris christie? former clinton special counsel wnd steven haze of the weeklye standard dryness. [poignant country music] ♪ ♪ remember when ♪ we vowed the vows and walked the walk ♪ and gave our hearts ♪ made a start and it was hard ♪ ♪ we lived and learned ♪ life threw curves ♪ there was joy, there was hurt ♪ ♪ remember when ♪ ♪ remember when ♪ we said when we turned gray ♪ ♪ when the children ♪ grow up and move away ♪ we won't be sad ♪ we'll be glad ♪ for all the life we've had ♪ and we'll remember when ♪ ♪ remember when ♪ lou: exit polls show a deepenini racial divide, some say, at the voting groups. d key groups such as hispanics, blacks and asians puttingbama oe president obama over the top.cta the strength of support.e stre joining us now, former specialrm counsel to president clintonide lonnie davis, steven hayes, senior writer for the weeklythey standard, but fox newthcontr contributors, and that thank you both for being here. i am uncomfortable saying that this is susch a big deal, but t polls suggest soething.st if we may look to these very quickly, the makeup of the electorate not appreciably different from 2008 if we could look at that graphic police. 74 percent white back in the weight. 72 percent this year to read we. see the numbers rise slightly. but the reality is that theht support for president obama for president obama of monks in the demographic groups, if we could take a look at that, the support for president obama, i'm sure that this is, you know, very interesting. he lost about four points of support. he lost suppor as well down 2%. hispanics picked up 4%. asians pickd up remarkably. a very small percentage. that does not look like such a big deal because it represents basically what happened in l.a. >> we have to look at politics. this network is trying to explain why he predicted a romney landslide, and a lot of other conservatives are trying to blame in all on romney. it reminds me of what we democrats winter after 1972. the late and beloved note george mcgovern no longer with u was blamed for the landslide a 72. we lost 80, 84, in '88 and they're still blaming the candid it's. it was not the candid, and it was not the way he communicated. it was the message. it was -- it took bill clinton to redo the map and barack obamacare continued that legacy. the reason why the hispanic vote went for broke, is because bit romney made him look liberal n immigration policy. did not follow george bush's policies and innovation, or you might ve been president. it s about content, not the communication. lou: is not one to answer my question on the racial divide. i will try with you. >> well, i think the numbers speak for themselves. the fact that the electorate this time, the change in the percentages among white voters. if the romney campaign got l, the percenges they thought they needed to we might be talking about a different result . much bigger story tothe failure to provide a clear contrast in competing views of the way that the country is going to move toward. lou: a clear contrast. basically the republicans took the day off. ty just didn't sw up. these are extraordinary numbers, the level of turnover republicans. i'm hearing all of this stuff from have reached to this group, change the message, adopt policies, and all of which may be true. i would support it, but the fact is, that does not look like the reason that romney lost. does it? >> well, i'm sorry if i did not directly answer your message. that is not the reason. lou: we will catch up. >> they're racial analysis is not the reason that romney african americans supported a fellow african american the same way irish catholics to, but if barack obama had been against helping people who are in the underclass, the lower economic level, if he had not proposed policies that african americans can support then take a lk at women. the fact that mitt romney was still talking about the pro-life position and the anti-gay rights position on social issues, he lost because of his message to hispanic because he was in favor of self supporting 11 million people. that is why i mentioned his positions and their substance i not what i think it -- it means there was contrast. lou: what do you mean? >> there are a number of areas in which there was not enough contrast. if you look at the way that romney talked about taxes, apologetic. very effectively made mitt romney looked like he wasgoing to raise taxes on the middle-class. that was the cry based on this one study. weeks and weeks and weeks. any time the rpublican candidate is viewed as the tax sector. in many had to defend his position in the debate he was a way out of his way to say, if you are wealthy and all you're not getting any tax cuts, and it was a defensive argument on a fundamental issue rather than pointing president obama had twice argue in public that raising taxes in an economic downturn would doom the economy. the president of the united states said that and iran on a proposal. lou: two things that seem peculiar. i would love for both of you to respond. i heard a lot of bonn, abou the tea party. the tea party did not exist in this election. it was a non fctor. why in the world would there be so much concerin the republican party about the tea party. why was there an idea that you're better off today than you were four years ago and pick 2008 as the year, he baseline, and it was a lousy year. in point of fact, just about everybody is. what o you make? very quickly. >> your immediate questn, yes, we were better off than the depths of being in a whole. president clinton explained the argument that we were climbing t. by that time election day, th percentage of people is of the country going in their right correction,saw the economy improving, higher than has been, ronald reagan when he was reelected. lou: i don't have the time. >> he was there. lou: this is the -- why did he call -- mixing his old boss. why did he not call first governor chris christie who gave him the photo op, four and half hours and a big hug there was persuasive to just about 15 percent of the voters. should that not have been his first document. >> probably did not want to run again. facing a lot of questions like those. lou: there are no questions. a man and it is presint the gilded photo, embedded in the minds of 15 percent of the voters. >> i agree. i said that before. as said it would happen. i thought that was going to be a big factor, a it turns out it was. i don't think it ends up deciding the election. lots of other things that ended up, but ther is no question that having chris christie give president obama that figurative and literal embracef the national tage a week before the election when he was the keynote speaker at the republican convention was held to the president's. >> and the your out of time. of all was right on the issue according to the poll and is suppord his position. lou: we will take note of two things. yourandid one. your former boss played a bi part. wewould bot agree that governor christie probably should have been telling you know, a conference call to the both of agree with mr. obama when he said, we can't tolerate this any re. he's right. but we are tolerating so much that we should not in this country. should we tolerate the murders of almost 500 people in one city over 01 your time frame? preserve our national grief for 20 children and six adults slaughtered in a matter of minutes last friday. should there be as well a presidential presence in multi religion prayer vigil in chicago perhaps as well a speech by the present to the nation. and please don't misunderstand me. i applaud the president's sense of words and the time he shared with the families of the citizens of the town yesterday to my but he would also urge reflexion and consideration of the facts when we now them and take into account the fact that we do know. chicago right now is the murder capital of this country. those killings in chicago have risen to 20 percent of the past year. up 20%. despite the lmost always on mentioned fact that chicago has one of the toughest gun-control laws of almost any city in this country. the president called for change and change is underway. a federal appellate court tossed out the state of illinois ban of concealed weapons. the last state to deny that right to its citizens. compared illinois to states that permit concealed carry like virginia and in the five-year time guarantee does is extends to those mullen, two dozen sex- 2011, a lot of facts in this, but there are facts that we need to assemble and examine together to have a national discussion. there will be more and more each night on this broadcast. on that five your time from the number of firearms but in the state of virginia rose by an astonishing 73%. just firms. the total number of gun related violent crimes fall by 24% in at 5 your time during. in fact, violent crime in this country has been steadily plummeting since 1990, something a lot of people are not taking note of. in 1990 to stem the 2 million violent crimes were committed last year 2011 that number had fallen to one to. 600,000 fewer crimes as our population grew by 25%. the number includes mass shootings. in the 2000's there were 26. that's down from 32 in the 1990's. something else has changed. in 1990 it was reported that 78 percent of those surveyed, 78 percent wanted a stricter, tougher gun loss. today that number is 44%. what is the right answer? we will come to a decision about that, ational consensus, if you will, if our political leaders, community leaders, national leaders accept the idea that there cannot be a rush to judgment, a reflexive response but rather an intelligent assessment of the facts, facts that we don't even know yet in newtown conn., facts that we have to keep in mind as we assess what is happening in our society, the influence of media, culture, and back to new town. we will, in this discussion, if our leaders live up to their titles, assess the facts. tonight, on the verge of collapse. egyptians not as enthusiastic for their new constitution as the muslim brotherhood will like . tierney and democracy in the middle east next. ♪ @c@f? she has a concussion. joining us now, a pulitzer prize-winning journalist and fox news contributor judith miller, editor of a long board journal, senior fellow at the foundation for defense of democracies, and it's good to have you with us. let me begin with you. this report, in your judgment going to allay concerns, answer the questions that are posed about what happened to you is responsible. >> it's going to shut a lot of what a lot of the questions that you and other people have been asking repeatedly about benghazi. pinkerton, the man who is in charge of this is really experienced, seen all of the kind of excuses before. he knows how to assign blame. lou: do you agree, bill? >> i don't agree as much. i think washington certainly has a culture of covering for each other. i don't see that this report is pointing such stark figures. i expect there will be a lot of ops vacation on the int of who is actually responsible, and we won't see. in the wake of september 11th no one resigned and was fired. i don't expect any fee to be held to the fire from much smaller incident like and gusty. lou: the accountability, the fact is there is one, i guess we can call him producer of an amateurish video. that person is in jail. there has been no other accountability for the events that transpired. i want said -- just to support bills point there, i want to turn to, if i may, secretary clinton's absence from the congressional inquiry process. she said she did not want to testify. the first time she was in asia with the president. the second time she had said she did not want to testify. ththird si she said she had a concussion and then everyone kamal of us would be concerned about her well-being, but the concussi came at the most fortuitous time. are you at all suspect? >> in washington and even in new york one must be suspicious of all claims of this kind. however, i do believe that if a doctor says she has a concussion she has a concussion. whether or not is the most politically fortunate call for at this point and i don't know. in a report like this the ambassador is going to have to answer some of the questions that we have been raising. and blame will have to be assigned. there are four dead americans. we cannot just forget about the income pretended did not happen. we have to ask tough questions about security. hillary clinton has been a master at dodging either appearing on air, she put out susan rice instead to do that. she has been a master so far of dodging responbility. lou: define a. >> except she can claim. she says, i accept responsibility before the president did. lou: it was such a stampede to accept responsibility that one gets lost and some o the numbers. but i think we have to point out that the facts are that she says ambassador rice appeared on those fox stations not at the request of secretary clinton but rather the white house itself. i don't know if that is a distinction without a difference . your final thoughts on benghazi. what we can reasonably hope for. the heck with hope for. what do you think we can reasonably expect here? >> what i think we should hope for is -- lou: okay. hope for. >> i think all this talk about susan rice is sort of a reflection from the real issue and the press release to ask these questions. i would like to think that this report will get to the bottom of it. it seems like everybody is turning the other way and running instead of taking responsibility for modifying the talking points. we knew within 12 hours of the attackthat they were involved in this attack on benghazi, and yet we're told that this attack was coming out of some protest. that's not the case. there was never a protest. an organized attack on the consulate. the american public should be made aware of that. unfortately there were not given the truth prior to the election. lou: they were, to be associated with fox news, they were apprised of those facts. in fact, the act that the group had posted on its website of morning of the attack before it occurred as well as claiming credit for it after it happened. i take your point and thank you for being here and hope you'll come back soon. thank you soe much. fiscalpr cliff fight, competing si proposals. l bunce when did leaders talkabou about talking but not sit down at the same table? what is wrong with obama and the they speaker? ris they really think this is aam? game? michael ramirez of investor's business daily joins us next. ♪ pizza hut's $10 any pizza deal is back. any pizza, toppings, sizes. ...ten bucks. the meat lover's pizza. ...ten bucks. delivery, dine in or carry. ...out of this world pizza. pizza hut's $10 any pizza deal is back. now, that's how you make it great. 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i want to show you something. some might mess in that cartoon. if you look at the stamp in the upper right, and $0.0. it is a food stamp. i have to say, we are looking at a president who is willing, as you know, an ssistant on $82 billion of tax increases on the so-called wealthy, the top@ 2%. and that is going to amount to just about nine das, almost nine days a lot bring the federal gornment's. more andmore absurd proportions >> it really is absurd. when you think about it, the deficits cast, over a trillion dollars for e next four years. freckly this will add $80 billion a year. it is nonsense. it is a parody of reality, and the bld is not responsible about their duty is being fiscal managers for the united states. when you think about that, $20 trillion in four years. if you paid off a dollar a second you're talking about 670,000 years to pay is tough. the response is impractical, and when you look at the biggess growth which is entitlements and think about the dynamic shift in the demographics, people are geing older, livi longer, the costs attributed to that with less workers, our population is not growing at much to mike catastrophic. if they don't do something realistic to curb spending problem. lou: as of tonight it looks like there is nothing ealistic going on in washington d.c. imagine that. it is s money and where it goes. you heard me talk for years about importae of our middle class and respect for those who work. no matter what the job. next, a terrific author wse new book celebrates the workers of what she calls hidden american coal. coal miners are part of what my next guest calls the hidden american, the people we seldom notice, but who do theobs that make our lives livable and make this nation work, joining me now is jean-marie it is great to have you with us, congratulations, a terrific book, i love the fact that you focus on the people who as you suggestion, with the title, we don't think enough about who we don't resct enough who we don't express enough gratitude for, what made you start on this book. >> the notion that we're really disconnected. this election cycle, these are people who we have very abstrac conversations about, we talk about what theyment, what they are asking for, who they are, we actually don't know them as individuals, two years ago i was in a coal min meeng theolks and got interested in the fac that there are all these people that i depend on eve day in my life. lou: this is taking you on a journey, you know cowboys, migrant workers you name it. what is it you want "the reader" to take away from your book. becauset i always, make the language dance, a terrific book, a terrific read, but, there is something gnawing at your craw you want to communicate to folks, what is that one thing, if it could be summed up. >> i think that stories take on a life of their own, and reader will attach to a character in a different way, however, i will say for me on this jrney, through america, in this way, it is really challenged my inner spoiled brat, like we walk around as if these are our rights, light, our trash will disappear, the things will just happen, if they don't happen right, you know there is something that been you know we've been treated wrong or something. and we forget. lou: we're entitled. >> yes, ande forget they are privileged, that are built on the backs of millions of hard working americans. lou: i like the way you looke at cowboys, i tell sort of us -- will not say surprisedve everyone in arica wants to be rich, and famous and known, a lot of people doing a lot of jobs, they don't want t be noticed. you know air traffic controllers, they don't want you to hear about them, that means they messed up, they are like angels up there in their towers. lou: there are people who don't want to be as you said, 1% but they don't want to be part of that whatever that perceet is that lives on entitlement who n't work, who don't want to contribute or who don't want to find their full potential, and realize the opportunities of a life that is there and they could seize it. that independence, that self-reliance you don't hear that much. >> i found that over again, i don't know who these people are that wehink we want to live a life of entitl en tightment hani do not know who those people are, these are hard, you know americans work hard, they want to work hard. it is not as if this is a you know some abstract notion for them, people like their jobs. you know they like doing these things. >> they like working. >> yes, my goodness. lou: they don't want to depend on government? >> i think they -- >> i justmented to see if we could -- i just wanted t see if we could get that far. >> i think they want to be taken care of at the hospital when they go there and make se they have enough money to pay medical bills,. lou: they want to make a ling wage, that and i think that is something that everyone should have -- that is an entitlement, there should be an opportunity to make a good living, that is something we let the sob's take away, that is something we have to get fixed. maybe this november 6 wwll be a opportunity. >> this depends on who those sob's are. lou: first thing to do is identify the sob's youet a language way toward doing that. -- long way toward doing, that jean-marie,ry hav we have identa terrific writer, a wonderful book. you can go to her web site. and pick it up in your bookstore. any number of places, did i mention lou dobbs.com too. people really love snapshot from progressive, but don't just listen to me. listen to these happy progressive customers. i plugged in snapshot, and 30 days later, i wasaving big on car insurance. with snapshot, i knew what i could ve before i switched to progressive. the better i drive, the more i save. i wish our company had something this cool. you're not filming this, are you? 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in terms of blood, nearly 120,000 u.s. troops paid with allies and another 20,000 were wounded. it was a dramatic dramatic conflict. to my second point, the media lessons learned after this conflict, it's odd that this sort of idealism emerged, and this idealism trump sober pragmatism come and sort of a realistic assessment about the nature of man, the nature of the international system. we saw the league of nations form which tried to impose the domestic structure international of domestic law internationally. we saw later in the '20s a aipac, 1928 which sought to outlaw war. something, they could just outlaw. within the united states, rather than sort of prepare for possibly there could be another major conflict, this is from a u.s. army history, the war deparle urged congress to authorize the astonishment of permanent regular army, about a half a million, and three-month the universal training system, and congress and the american people said no. rather, not just meltdown, we tore down our military. another major war was a possible exception of japan. and the bottom line here is prior to world war ii what we saw with the general neglect of domestic capacity, readiness, coupled with at times and less than sober view of the growing international threats. and world war ii happened, we all know that that war and how it ended shaped the system. because the conflict of the united states emerged as the indispensable pillar of world order. and so this leads to my third point, lessons learned today, and dr. holmes i think alluded to this, spoke to at the weekend fully understand world war i's lessons without reference to what you and even the cold war because if the assassination of the archduke sort of spark that led to a larger conflict, world war i was just a prelude to a longer continental stronger in europe that in many ways is still continuing. we see russia, the russian empire which at that time stumbled and fell by 1917, world war i. you see vladimir putin today in many senses trying to raise senses trying to rush right in it by the disease not just in the cold war suite but in a sweep of hundreds of years. the russian empire is hundreds of years old. a major lesson i think to draw from it is we, the united states, american citizens, we need to struggle mightily to see the world as it is a not that we wanted to be. and that's an admonition not just for everyday americans, but an admonition for leaders, those are entrusted with guiding our national security. and three specific points. first, we need to see in particular the initial threat environment as it is and not as we wished to be in a corollary of that we can't and we likely will be strategically surprised. today president obama is giving a speech at west point in which i haven't yet had the chance to see it. is going to offer a threat assessment and also his argument for what the obama doctrine has been, and where things are going. but i will say that i've been observer both angel and afterwards, of the messaging of the administration about the threat environment. and themes that we hear, the three main themes al-qaeda. until recently wearing about how al-qaeda was on the ropes, global terrorism on the ropes. that grand bargains, grand bargain diplomacy can contain rogue states like iran can see. three, we can't consign great power rivalry, great power war into the action of history if we simply reset, engage and comment of the rising powers. this of course is not the message we always send tha but u sometimes hear that if you listen carefully. and when we take a look at the world, we say al-qaeda is not on the roads. we see a growing and al-qaeda, al-qaeda in the africa, al-qaeda positions in syria. we've heard in recent months not just generals from centcom and after, but also the fbi director, homeland security director say things like what are going on in say, things are going on in africa right now i'm those threats should be home by because we are seeing extremist, terrorist of jihad is getting battle ready and setting their eyes to on the united states at some point. basically hoping to do a repeat of what we saw on 9/11. with iran and syria, despite the administration's hope that we can use grand bargain diplomacy, we sort of segmented iran's nuclear threat and ignored its growing support of terrorism abroad. we see that in iran's support of hezbollah, and hezbollah which is also supporting the assad regime. iranian troops are also in serious supporting the assad regime. in syria itself we saw its use of chemical weapons, even though we have this bargain if you will to try to get rid of the syrian chemical weapons program can we've seen assad is more than going to find loopholes in it to hide chemical weapons, use chlorine that was used in world war i, to use it again to really crossed a red line. and still we are struggling for our response to the cost of the red line. they are, russia and china, congressman thornbury spoke about it, they are both returning in many ways, returning great powers. russia has a lot of systemic problems but they do see, vladimir putin does want to restore in effect to the russian empire but if you look at his rhetoric, you know that's what he's looking at. what's wars, what troubles me also is vladimir putin and nationalistic you look at the eu mess, if you will, that the russian parliament passed, to authorize putin's activities in ukraine, it's not aimed specifically at ukraine. it is protecting russian nationals or ethnic russians all over the world frankly. and many people are wondering what could be next after ukraine, could be moldova, estonia, could be somewhere in the stands. so this is a threat environment we see but what we see inserted and turns out the united states is responding to it is a defense strategy that i think is geared more at the world we wish it to be, not as it is. what any by that, i think a subfolder for to the independent panel of 2010 that was shared -- one of the things they said in the absence of a better construct to plan and america's forces can we should be using less absence, bottom-up review. something to bear in mind is that bottom-up review from 1993 was designed at a time when the only reason -- real threat we were worried about was maybe rogue states proliferation. that's a we are probably, rogue state. we weren't weary about global terrorism and we certainly were not worried about the return of great power rivalry. in terms of just force structure number, capacity, people, we are proud at bottom of a level that we are threatened by the that that is far more challenging than what was contemplated at the bottom of the time. with a very -- global terrorism, put proliferation and other game changes and return of great power rivalries. what's wars is we are on trajectory to get out of the business as much as we can from very proactive global counterterrorism, we are sort of getting out of business we don't want to be in the business idea with great powers, or at least, and last, we are still not very sober out what's going on with other rogue state regimes. a last point, too, is because we're on this trajectory both in terms of the growing gap between our strategy, we have already seen a crisis in military's readiness for combat which we can talk about during today, and it's a movie to the crisis in military capability especially future not take it or those. i can throw out a lot of examples but you can look at things like the tomahawk which has been stalwart system. we are killing it and we met even have a large enough stockpile if we do see future military contingencies in the coming decade. we may not have a follow one. i'll just close at this point in terms of where our budget is today. our budget, i did the math last night. it's been, our 496 billion where spending in fiscal year '15, when you adjust for inflation, since 48 it's been exceeded in real dollar terms as many as 29 times. so 29 years since 48 in real dollars we are spending more than what we spent today. a question we need to ask ourselves is whether the world is becoming unbalanced, are we heading towards the world that people at the end of world war i hoped-for, which would be the war to end all wars, a postwar world? or are we moving to the world with the challenges we need to be prepared to meet which wouldn't have a sober understand of this reality, this threat environment well prepared to deal with the consequences? i'll just close on that but i'll just say that i think there certainly is, robert kagan who's on her board may display. he's not sure it's war weariness or something wars, world weariness. but i think to get over that i don't know if we can advocate that global leadership. i think it will be leadership both from the president and the congress in the years to come after 2014, after 2016 to explain what americans can play a leading role at wide it is an indispensable pillar, without which the world order which would take granted will eventually crumble spent appreciate that. thanks very much. [applause] >> we do have some time for questions. any questions at all? >> how do we go about persuading our european allies spent even a smaller percent of their gdp on defense than we do? it's dropping faster than ours. how do we persuade them to carry their fair share of the world? >> the nato target has been 2%, most of the nato members are 1.2, 1.3, somewhere. >> i know one way we can do it which is a way we've been trying to do. we been going to the europeans saying we are spending most and you must spend more. they are not responding with more. they are responding with less. sort of a logical thing for them to do because he comes back to the leadership question that congressman thornbury talk about. if we are not leading they will not follow but i do know we can do it by ourselves. i think of something fundamentally has to change in the cactus for them to see their own self-interest. there has been some talk in europe of meeting to do more on defense because of what putin is doing but the germans still are pulling back. i had a meeting a few weeks ago with a prominent member of the ct, and he was talking very hawkishly, tight but a very realistic about putin. there's a wakeup call producing all these things and then when i asked him the question, don't you think we should have more military deployment in the baltics or invalid? he said, no, we cannot respond militarily to everything they are doing. we have to do it some other way. so even then they couldn't cross the rubicon and draw logical conclusions that indicate something more in defense. we are not there yet but it probably will be more what putin does than what we do. >> to add to the point. friend of mine, a staffer on the hill, wrote a dissertation about europe and its defense plan, did note there's a two-year lag, if we grow our defense budget, the europeans in aggregate and also in general increase the budget but if we declined a decline. that's not a satisfactory answer because what do you do? within europe there's a growing debate about how to best integrate the defense industries and move towards moving towards a more common -- there a ways away from have a military that is interoperable what actually co-operable. these are things i need to encourage but it's not going to be, it's going -- this is a decades long debate, and because of weather not they are able to step up, we do this with mbs of congress like mac thornberry going over to different parliaments and strengthening bonds and trying to make their case. there's no magic bullet. >> you have a question is the last time we didn't get too. >> center for security policy. there's been as much concern i think has rightly been raised about the rise of revisionist nation states like russia and so forth. there's of course still ever present the threat of jihadists terrorist organizations but in light of that there's been a lot of talk recently about the need to revisit the 2001 authorization for use of military force. .. al qaeda is not on the ropes. it has morphed. it is a network of affiliates. now, i know folks like senator corcoran and his staff are may be looking at upgrading the emf, and that that could be fruitful, especially if it helps to deal with some of the debate law extending over what actually covers. of these committees have tried to clarify it or provide interpretation, but put it this way, i think that so long as the terror threat, everyone to call it, persists we need to make sure that the military are authorized to do with the need to do to protect the country. >> senator corker does have some very specific things he is looking into both in terms of legality and voted actually covers. if you step back, political was happening in the democratic and republican party is, the republican side, particularly in the last seven or eight years there has been sort of a general concern about the congress. the republicans used to be against it. so there is a new republican party. you can see that. of the democratic side they want to end it. this gives president obama cover if the authorization ends. so i think, frankly, that is politically was going on. my own personal view is that the authorization was sufficient and bipartisan support. when the decision were made in afghanistan bless should be sufficient. the fact of the president is looking at it differently is a political judgment he is making, supposedly of strategic grounds, but think that the whole question of the authorization is basically secondary to the big debate about whether or not we should be doing more to try to when these wars rather than walk away from them. >> one short question. you said that world war one must be tied then to the result. how do you see world war one considering to world war ii? when to the united states take over hawaii? what year? >> it became a state in the 50's. eighteen -- 19 century. >> established a naval facility office. >> well, i sort of them mentioned in my remarks, debates over the oversight treaty, the problem there was that germany was defeated. and then after it it actually was defeated but did not believe it was defeated. this is very similar to a mentality that exists inside their russian regime. believe their class is a legitimate and are starting to develop similar stabbed in the back theories that the western powers stab them in the back dodgers like germany did, because germany did not feel completely defeated. it did feel completely defeated in 1945. that ambiguity, which everyone, including president wilson go was trying to be understanding to the german interest, turned up backfiring because it did not understand the reality. end of the other part of it was the united states did not remain engaged in the security of europe. we were engaged economically, give them loans, we were not entirely isolationist, but we were nodding days as strongly as we have been or would become the italy during world war one but after world war ii. >> i would like to thank our panelists for their contributions today thought. more importantly, thank you all for attending this. this particular session will be archived at our website and should be available within 24 hours so. thank you very much. appreciation for the gentleman. [applause] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> more live coverage this afternoon here on c-span2. a little over an hour from now we will take you to the national press club for remarks by a neurosurgeon and author dr. ben carson and placed third in this year's conservative political action conference presidential straw poll. our coverage from the press "coming up at 1:00 eastern. and this evening, the house veterans' affairs committee has is will the hearing to get updates from officials of the veterans affairs department over the fear to comply with the committee subpoenaed regarding the treatment of veterans at health care facilities. that hearing scheduled for 730 eastern time live here on c-span2. also, news today that author and poet maya angelou has passed away at her home and north carolina. she performed as a singer, calypso dancer, and streetcar conductor in her youth later becoming active in the civil rights movement and became well known for more delivering the inaugural palma president of those 1993 swearing-in ceremony. in 2011 president obama awarded her the presidential medal of freedom. maya angelou has passed away today at the age of 86. >> one of those stories that i -- that resonated with me was the moment when they are dithering about whether nonbook they need to inject c waterbeds to unit one. it is a matter -- the clock is ticking, and they are just about down to the wire. and the plant superintendent who, in the end, would have to make the final column shows and is desperately needed. and meanwhile, everybody wants a say. the top officials and japanese government officials are of this kind of hemming and hawing. and you -- he gets an order from one of the supervisors. the government has not signed off on this. or, he has already started. and so he basically calls one of his staff people over and says, okay, i will give an order but ignored. the very loudly proclaims so everyone in tokyo can here, called the sea water injection. jimmy that was a human element. in japan by ignoring their rules and kind of acting was not rewarded. he knew if he did not act things would go even worse than they were going. >> more saturday night at chair:00 eastern on afterwards. >> next to well look at how tourism took shape along a path that has no interest and 70 and its implication for the landscapes and politics of our own time. we hear from the university of denver history professor and author of vacationland and. from the history colorado's center in denver, this is an hour. [applause] >> thank you for that introduction and thanks to all of you for being here. i am honored to be speaking here . those of the lead back to the days of the old building up on 13th avenue. a really quick story. many years ago as an undergraduate history major at was looking for summer job. i get the ingenious idea of wandering into the color of the heritage center and casting the first random person i saw who was the lobbying security guard for if there were any internships available. to the enormous credit as security guard said, welcome what but you go to the management department and see if they need help. so i went. that is so i first read the curator. an unbelievable storehouse of knowledge and enthusiasm and fun surrounding colors others during. for the rest of the summer with the next several years more than i can ever say up and did my research of the ground. some past, but i would like to publicly dedicate this and start them. san not just for having me here but the work that you do that is tricot robert to build greater awareness and concern for the heritage shores. i would like to thank all of you for being here and taking time out of your week. so i will get started with that. the book that charm mentioned that i will be drawing their share of tonight start from, the history of terrorism and recreational development in the car of my country in the decades after world war ii, 1945 to 1970, the story of how this part of the seven rocky just a few decades to of very short time from a remote and obscure and little visited backwater really to one of the most celebrated and heavily visited vacation destinations in the united states. how did the high country come to be a vacation land? much more broadly the board is an effort to get a much bigger issue. when tourism became such a big business in the decades after world war ii, when american came to seek out and value landscapes like the colorado high country for leisure, personal fulfillment, pleasure. the way americans related to place. environment, nature, when so many people learn to consent recreational landscapes as a fundamental part of their lifestyle, what consequences does that carry for american environmental politics, popular and are mature culture in the broader sense, to ruminate on the environmental consequences of mass consumer culture, not just how consumption has physically changed the land, but also have a change our minds and in terms of teaching yes without our really even realizing it to think in new ways about nature. so i thought i would give you a taste of the book tonight. why was really the centerpiece to the high country. the development of modern paved highways culminating in interstate 70. i have loaded the dice this is a regional focus on, the area to my country is obviously a vaguely defined term. but i use it basically the focus of the areas that could have been and eventually did become the interstate 70 corridor. time going to begin by focusing on the very first section of interstate 70 that was the four lane bypass above and around the old mining town of colorado springs. that is something that state highway officials were very eager to do. in notorious traffic bottleneck. the two main highways west of denver were forced together in this narrow rally where the stranger located. pass the gas stations, people turning off and off the road turning traffic down to the point where this became known as the turtle route and was known to truckers and travelers and others as one of the most congested structures of highway in of rural america. just above town of the south. construction began in late 1957. almost completed, led local business owners on a tour of this new road. the business was pretty excited about this modern road with its smooth, sweet before lanes and controlled access on and off ramps would big signs pointing to idaho springs. they actually got up there : the bypass and looked out of the town and were completely horrified by what they saw. with what i showed you before business have led to attract tourists so flower boxes to ma little patch of lawn, maybe some flowers in bushes and trellises and the like, but from up on the bypass looking down their town, a totally different perspective, and it was not a pretty sight. suddenly there were not going to see the folks in the building's anymore, but the backs which were unpainted, and planted, piled high with the old junk. made idaho springs look like a ghost town and the process of decay. this was not a good first impression prius brings. for small town boosters and business owners trying to capitalize on the exploding postwar automobile vacation industry it was no longer just going to be enough. now they had to take with the local liz piper call the tourist i view of their own home town to consider what kind of landscape and atmosphere lead it to attract vacationers and compete with other communities who were trying to do exactly the same thing. in short already was the very first stretch of 5-7 to be built upon the high country. we can already see a hint of a large scale was going to change the view of the land. i will dive into the store -- story now. making the high country seem like a good place for a vacation would mean fundamentally changing how those people thought. that sounds weird to you because of the ways we think of this region now, keep in mind that before the post were the high country was a pretty obscure place. the region of the extremely rugged, daunting, topography, the climate in winter, not the kind of place that most people would think to take a vacation. now, there was, of course, tourism and the late 19th century. you might know, for example, colorado gained a reputation for being the switzerland of america. there were people coming to resorts, merrill's boss, taking scenic excursions, but the key thing to keep in mind for the purpose of our story tonight is that for the most part very few of these doors were venturing deep into the high country, and if they were there were not spending very long there. a remote island. work and their lawyers to change this impression the local chambers of commerce and highway associations, steer local officials, bigger corporations like railroads and airlines, the game and fish department, state publicity bureau, interest groups like the american automobile association and recreational enthusiasts themselves to all of them working well together but but at the same time and there are ways to revamp the popular impression of color of the high country. it would seem like a natural place for vacation the largely did this by using the i grabbing glasses, colorful, vivid colors. michael ramirez of that they were doing anything remotely original. the emotional appeal. these brightly colored photographs, extremely formulate an extremely cliche photographs over and over showing similar views best of my countrymen those often snow-covered peaks again and again and again reproducing over and over post cards, brochures, magazine articles and so on and so forth until they became like logos for colorado tourism, instantly recognizable as standing for the state. the cover of my book is a scene a cliche of except to have exactly the sort of advertising imagery. at the same time all these different groups of people love working together but working at the same time for their own purposes were working to develop infrastructure, trying to revamp the image of the high country and build of the terrorist infrastructure. motels to resort villages, campgrounds, and mechanical chair lifts which were rare before world war ii but which came to dominate this key landscape after world war ii. the class example of what i mean by packaging the landscape, some sort of facility, physical infrastructure the serbs to make recreation easier, more convenient, more comfortable, but gave taurus newfound access to cynical remark or while various, and nature at a minimum of difficulty or risk, and if you think about it, that is exactly what ski lifts to. in effect that an infrastructure as i mentioned a moment ago served to physically pack is the high country for ever larger numbers of tourists. but for the single most important way of packaging-century landscape or really any landscape anywhere in america for tourists was telling them to a network of modern paved highways. paved highways have extraordinarily powerful channelling effects on the flow of tourists because by mid century american tourists were overwhelmingly traveling by car. and despite the supposed freedom of memorability, these stores were overwhelmingly confining themselves to pave roads. there was even a saying among our planters that jurors will drive one order miles of the weight to avoid 5 miles of dirt road. at that time when many rural western roads, including many in colorado, were still under or gravel, local boosters lobbied in -- endlessly for highway improvements that would channel terrorists their way. every year local delegations from all over the state would make this ritual trip to denver but to about down before the state highway commission to present their wish list of projects that they wanted funded he read the highway commission record you discover that again and again the explanation these local delegations from the high country gave her what is so urgently wanted i was was that they wanted to foster tourism. now, before i move on let me back up for a moment to talk a little bit about what the highways every other i kutcher was like before world war ii, before the war. what i had sort of highlighted weirdly in that kind of neon purple blue, u.s. 40, highway u.s. 40, did not take a direct route west but it took a root to the northwest before heading off into utah and did this to skirt the highest mountain ranges and to take advantage of several river valleys along the way. by contrast the route directly west of denver where i70 now runs did not exist. just simply did not exist. this is a map from the bug. what i am trying to show you is out if you wanted to get from denver to either of the county's that are directly west, summit county is about 65 miles or so from denver as the crow flies, but back in those times to get to seven counts see you had to drive about 100 miles and go over a couple of passes along the way. it out to get to deal county about 70 miles away from denver as the crow flies you had to drive about 170 miles. hoosier past, tennessee pass before you get dumped down and to the eagle river valley. so the obvious reason for this kind of varying directors were higher rates. we will go back and really emphasize how high those ranges were running north and south directly west of denver that basically deflected highway routes to the north and south. this is a picture of the upper end of the book. back in the late 1940's. as you can see, later interstate 70. basically and impassible wall between eagle county from summit county and from denver beyond. so topography is an obvious reason why these counties were so remote and why there was not a direct route, but it was not just geography. summit and eagle or mining counties, but they were never as big a deal as some of the other. never as prosperous. perfect set when railroads built up into the high country the bill to the biggest most prosperous, racing each other to get there. and so when the first road camelot, often times it was start out by falling more or less the railroad route emphasizing eagle or summit county. it was not just a matter of daunting topography but historical precedent. if you look at this map from about 1925, if you look at this map, look directly west of denver, and you will see hardly any hint that all of the future pass of i70, hardly any and of the major highway corridor. they reminded that there was nothing natural and there was nothing historically inevitable about the interstate highway transactinide country. now, the earliest precursor to the future rid of interstate 70 was up by and this guy proposal last in the 1920's from highway that would basically go or less directly west from denver to this area called the holy cross, the scheme hatched by and is a predator and radcliffe which by then was a very depressed, stagnated all silver mining town hoping that having its rail, road would help red cliffs or a boom again as a tourist destination capitalizing on senate desires. the l.a. department never obliged. our department never provided any funding whatsoever for the holy cross trail, but they did from the early 1930's on begin by passing those rows that i showed you before you come of moving to the south around the southern tips. they started one after the other trying to cut out by building roads that bypassed and went directly over mountain ranges. the first three examples of this work, again, down below is what it looked like. you can see that the first was that bill where there was a dirt road built in 1931, shrine password there was a dark road built in 1931, and then 1940, a paved road built in 1940 with the new deal public-works funding. so by the time you get to the bottom halves you can really very clearly said to see the president emerging, the path that it will take. there is still nothing historical the inevitable about it. in 1937 this rift from denver sort of directly west became part of highway six. but u.s. for zero, the one running higher up on the map was still the main route to the high country. highway 6 was less improved. many more stretches that were still just gravel or dirt, also was promoted and very much less traveled. usx became desperate to generate more tourist traffic along the route, so much so that they started trying some desperate measures. maybe the most desperate one of law and ridiculous was their effort in 1956 to create an attractive brand for their rig by giving it a cartoon mascot. and this is with they came up with. the sublimely ridiculous said. ♪ this brochure, which i found completely by don lock on ebay, this had been frolicking along the highway 6, enjoying the recreational lights. of course the brochure urges terse step following this path, stick to six with 76. kind of sad, right? amateurish, clownish. as i said before, just how desperate they were to generate some form of interest, some former brand name recognition or tourist cachet for their little known, little travelled route. this is proved, by the way, that no matter what evil manipulative emotional geniuses, advertising is not always work so much for that idea. this bill and ridiculous campaign, but there were also engaged in another desperate effort, to get their highway designate of the root of an interstate highway. an interstate, like a silly cartoon mascot, really would have the power to attract and channel tourists in enormous numbers and really would have the power to make this part of the high country into a vacation land. in 1956 this effort to get interstate highway designation seemed every bit as doomed. that was because go as plans for the interstate highway system nationwide stood there was not even going to be a renter state through the color rockies. if you look at this map, one of their earliest sort of tentative ideas of what the interstate highway system might look like, and to regional highway, 1939, and you see ahead to stay snaking across the plains from chances in the denver unstoppable. the final interstate highway map to the same exact thing, deadening in denver. the obvious reason was high ranges of the high country which should always seems to stand like walls in the weight of east-west travel and the same reason a transcontinental railroad in the 1860's had shunned colorado, the same reason i like and i when the 1920's judge and colorado. now the planners of the federal interstate system planning the biggest public works project in human history were planting the shuttle cargo i country. once again we see that there was nothing natural or rhetorically inevitable about an interstate highway. in fact, we see that all historical precedent weigh against. now, once again, i should mention, it was more than just simple topography. sibila honest postwar highway engineers were not really daunted by to part of the. there were full of the cubistic believe that they could caulker any landscape. there were even propose a one. use nuclear detonations. [laughter] to clear mountains a way that were in the way of and interested in california. so these are not people who were daunted by topography. but in this case they calculated that there simply was not the utilitarian rationale, was not a cost-benefit analysis the justified blasted in interstate through this particular to part roofie. their just are not enough people to, and they're just was not enough economic activity. highway planners, highway engineers, professional training taught them to build major are ways to los import levy interest rate, where there was existing demand. there were not in the business of building adjusted to create demand, to try to spur economic development word was not already. that, of course paul was a major problem for boosters of colorado and our country because it wants to be adjusted exactly to stimulate economic development. putting in interstate through the high country they fully recognize to put the i kutcher read on the mainland for growing hordes of automobile dependent vacationers. so somehow they had to get these stubborn federal highway planners to change their mind. now, taking the lead in the stroke of this was governor edward johnson who everyone knew as bighead, deliberately pick a buffoonish picture of him because he was kind of a bullish man. he was removed most important political figure, although partially for darn. but he was the most important political figure in the country, decades-long political career, to terms of the governor, then he went to washington. he returned for a swan song one final term of government. today dead-end there was an awkward challenge of selling highway officials on a massive tourist boosting scheme by somehow not making it seem like a tourist boosting schemes. he somehow had to persuade federal officials that building an interstate highway through rugged terrain of the high country did make engineering and fiscal and utilitarian and cost-benefit sense. i won't go into detail because it would go too long, but for the utilitarian argument eumaeus -- moseley made the case the high country contained minerals and other natural resources that were crucial. so there should be an interstate to help get those things. to make an engineering keys for interstate bighead hadst a wildly audacious idea to have the state build a tunnel under the continental divide to dispatch for once and all this idea that the high rockies were an impenetrable barrier to the transcontinental travel. of colorado built a total federal planners receive the engineering problems eliminated and improve the interstate. no, this set off a firestorm of controversy. some were excited about the idea others were really not. so for many it depended on where the total was going to go. some loved the idea of building a tunnel that would channel traffic but hated the idea of building one that would channel it along u.s. 40. as you can imagine, u.s. for zero saw it the other way around the most serious criticisms of the top proposal came from those who felt that the tunnel would simply be too expensive for too little benefit. in other words, they made that cost-benefit utilitarian calculation that highway engineers did. the chief engineer of the state highway departments proved especially skeptical. they're on the left. bighead looming over him to intimidate. citing engineering studies showing the kind of tunnel would only slightly reduce the altitude. big ed responded with absolute fury, basically unlacing his supporters to mercilessly attacked as a scrawny pencil neck who hid beyond calculation is an engineering specs and statistics to avoid doing the real man's job of just taking on the mound and the with the pioneers had done, and i am not kidding. the language of least portrayed him in this unmanly, weak willed, you know, not like the hardy pioneers that we ascend from. so big aid one of the popular debate. it was not that hard to do. he finally managed to bluster and up to give the state highway department to approve the tunnel project. basically signing off on the idea. where's the money going to come from, where will it be built. by the way, of the fed's going to actually give us some interstate even though we have now decided to build a tunnel. the proposal was still have to go through both congress and the federal highway technocracy. now, congress as part of the interstate highway act of 1956 to approve the 1,000-mile expansion of the interstate system. but the question as to where those exit 1,000 miles would go was up to a federal highway planters. to make a long story short after sweating it out for another whole year colorado boosters and so forth finally got with it longer than october 1957 when the federal highway planners did indeed whole lot 547 of those thousand miles to allow states to be extended west of denver through the colorado high country and on into utah. somebody might have heard said that president eisenhower personally ordered this expansion because of his love of fly-fishing. there is no question, the frequent vacationer in colorado known for a long summer visits to colorado and when she would spend it golfing, fly-fishing, oil painting, especially at the guest ranch of his good friend. so the story is sometimes told that i threw his weight behind the interstate, perhaps even aborted because there would make his annual summer trips much more convenient. other than to say that the historical record staff does not bear that called for a story out a look dug a lot of correspondence between eisenhower and his staff and axle nielsen and they get johnson and another governor. i find that big appealed pretty shamelessly to his recreational interest suspects. you, of all people, know just how much traffic there is up on the drive to frazier. wouldn't it be great if there were a multi lane interstate, but i did not find any evidence that i was actually receptive to the appeals. a lot of evidence that they were repeatedly brush and johnson off and basically trying to use him to shut out. i also found that axle nielsen over and over again was refusing to use his personal for political purposes including and especially an interest issue. i should also point out one other thing while dispatching the story. the extension of interstate was finally approved, eisenhower was no longer vacationing in the high country. as many of you know, he suffered a heart attack or whether you're a very long convalescence and september 1955. following this as starches basically banned in -- band and forever vacationing at higher -- altitude again. one of those colorful comments. it is hard to know for sure, but it appears that the single most decisive factor in the federal highway planted decision to capitulate and to extend the interstate through the high country turned out not to be an argument but instead the army decision that it wanted a director for defense purposes from denver to los angeles which helped explain why when the interstate planners granted the interstate extension they baffled, shocked, surprised everybody by not having ago from denver and salt lake but instead from denver down to a point in southern utah called coal for which no one had heard of before. even utah officials were like, we didn't ask for this. the federal planners were angry -- angling interstate 70 down to have interstate 15. so that desire for a quick route, a directory or less set for national defense purposes appears that that was the most decisive factor. the announcement was cause for jubilation. that said, it was still to be decided where the new entity would go. a federal planners had only fixed the end point out with the interstate get from a to b? this began the next cause for serious debate as boosters. brewsters and partisans of u.s. six argued. since the successor of blustery and technocratic governor called in a new york engineering firm to study possible routes which would be the best. this new york in engineering firm studied no fewer than eight possible routes including seven different proposed tunnel sides. the one highlighted in red, the sort of last two routes that this engineering firm narrow the possibilities down to. they've follow along u.s. 40 in the other along u.s. six. besides the to the were the finalists there were six others, including laws that ran along the colorado river's, ones that went across the mountains : the blue river drainage, a map like this shows you that there was nothing historically inevitable about the task that i70 ended up taking. the new york firm recommended in the state have a commission ruled in favor of interstate most the following u.s. six. more less directly west through some accounting which had been up to that point to of the remotest trust obscure lightly populated counties in the entire high country beyond grand junction and on into utah. so this is how colorado finally got interstate through the high country. i would ended up following the route that it did. it is @booktv more dramatically than anything else, a channel of many more leisure seekers than ever before to this section of cholera that most people at awarded before and because of this bird much more investment interest businesses and tourist infrastructure along the route. .. interstate 70 in befor 70 and t was built would have that effect. but besides doing that i also want to return to an idea that i mentioned earlier how the interstate changed people's views particularly by making things closer to the high country to the sure that there is real irony interstate 70 was an70 wasin itself remotely natu. it was an artificial intrusion. it would take extremely heavy-handed modifications of the landscape to shoehorn this highway. the interstate highways have all sorts of design specifications as to how wide the shoulder had to be, the curves couldn't be too sharp. there were utterly building the highway and the high country so it required a doing things like blasting off the mountainside and bandaged up to keep the rocks from crashing down on the highway below and it required relocating the river channels. the most dramatic artificial truth of all undercutting the continental divide at exactly as they had dreamt of doing. the two eastbound lanes which are technically called the johnson title you can see they have since been built yet they would have been in 1979 but the interstate for all of its artificiality for all of its heavy-handed modifications in the landscape actually ended up enhancing the experience of nature. i 70 made it easier to access into slopes rivers in central colorado it made them closer to nature even as they were gliding along this passage to get their part the natural place for vacation. among other things in the vantage point it opens access to the new landscapes and frees people from the difficulty of traversing this very rugged terrain. i like this picture because it shows how i 70 provided a phoenix viewpoint of the peaks and also it became a part of the scenery itself but it's insinuated itself into the curves of the contour of the land. or this picture where that time all the timeall i banned the mol intrusion muscles into the setting. i 70 has become an triple to the high country. we have a hard time imagining the geography of the country and without it the more inviting the high country the more particular the interstate corridor became. and i'm not just talking about the short stays longer stays, seasonal or second home owners and people began permanently relocating to the high country to the emerging communities like aspen or at the denver metro area that became a proximity with easy access to all in the high country. country. and if you think about it of course the idea of the proximity and easy access were utterly premised on and greatly enhanced by the ongoing improvement of highways linking the denver to the countries. more and more people came to colorado, again, to live closer to the subject of bow-mar as being right in the backyard. more and more people came for the tourist way of life for the amenities of the high country on an ongoing basis not just on vacation, but every weekend or every day if they wanted to live near the amenities so they could have access to them. so these vacationers could now become the basis for the permanent lifestyle. if you look at the pressure urging you to move to jefferson county, it's about as many images as it does the everyday life like the shopping mall or the church. so it's really the thing up. people who picked up on this promise rearranged their entire life for their personal identity. they were not just superficial consumers of recreation that people have become very deeply personally invested in the high country's recreational settings and that leads me to another in critical important way to change people's way of relating to nature because when people became deeply personally invested in recreational settings in the high country it also can build a fierce desire to guard the settings against the threats. so in short that is the powerful personal attachments to landscape that in turn ended up fostering the rise of the popular environmental. towards the beginning of the talk in 1968 the people realized how it looked from this bypass and in this case there was a business or profit-making incentive to clean up and spruce up the place but as the tourism continued to take shape and as more and more visitors and also seasonal and permanent residents begin to flock to the land of the interstate was opening up the popular environmental concerns began to interfere and to deepen and take on more dimensions into the interstate became a target of these environmental concerns. it's ironic of course because the interstate existence was shall to the existence that now though is becoming the target of more. there are many examples i could give you that i think the single most revealing one was the enormous popular out late. to cut yet another one of those loose out to make the interstate even more. it was the biggest one left through the entire country. interstate 70 curves around over the past. the planners propose to bypass the just like all the earlier ones by directly west beneath the range would go here from the sober through the time of and out on basically the other side. this became known as the red buffalo tumble on that county side. the sticking point and this is a sort of schematic map what you can see is the sticking point that green shaded area that was the wilderness area. that is the eagle that was called the eagle's nest primitive area and by the legal definition of wilderness it was supposed to be off-limits to the road construction but in this particular case there was a clause in the act of 64 that landmark created the wilderness designation. the wilderness act had a clause exempting this one wilderness area. if any power to federal officials to withdraw the wilderness protection from this area so the tunnel could be built under the range. it became a controversy for the state environmental organizations. the first success and they in ma long story short they begin to defeat the tunnel in 1968. what i think is interesting though is on the one hand the environmental organizations that fought against the time all were overwhelmingly organizations of the recreation flick the mountain club to the colorado wildlife federation made up of hunters and the coordinating council which is a coalition of smaller group almost all of which were organized around one recreational pastime or another, white water rafting, hunting, birdwatching and many others. these show people who become so deeply personally invested in the recreation that they've made it a basis o the basis of organg themselves taking political action. these are tourist boosters for whom the scenic and wild recreational amenities had become a matter of economic value in the process. they spoke out against red buffalo building away from the booster approach to the more direct hire volume the better for us. one of the main arguments is they moved one of them into the tourist attraction into the region cutting into the business. people in particular made a powerful statement of reagan's red buffalo proposal. bob parker was one of the voices against the red buffalo proposal in his rationale after putting the interstate through this wilderness area would jeopardize the lifestyle interest. for a brief time there was a potent alliance of the recreational lifestyle interest and business interest. most favorably of the vote in 1972 to reject the 1976 which had been granted to denver. this is denver organizing committee literature in which they are showing where the venues are going to be. and as you can see they are counting very heavily on the interstate highway access. in the other states as well they rejected this and voted to the funding for the winter olympics and caused it not to happen. another success for the movement came in 1974 when the leader of the olympics, certainly the most vocal environmental politicians in the state was elected governor. but this alliance of recreational business interest and lifestyle interest became the basis for the environmental movement that was very short-lived. for one what do i mean, for one, the promoters of tourism and the consumers of the lifestyle may have marginal things but on a much bigger issues like the winter olympics. the popular environmentalism have gone completely totally out of control. when they started voicing popular support for the far-reaching land use reforms committee is environmentally minded citizens hoped that these were protecting against the environmental degradation and the landscapes. they used the water reforms to the point that they were almost meaningless. but it wasn't just the oppositional interest. the environmentalism was a crashing halt. i would argue an inherent uncertainty and conservatism among many of the environmentally aware themselv themselves. because of the deep way of life is not inclined to seriously challenge the system that had promoted and packaged all of the same recreational landscapes and amenities and activities that they had appreciate their lives around in the first place. i will briefly mention one final controversy in the deviate in the 1970s or 1980s over the state through glenwood canyon. a great many groups in the state's council to the environmental defense fund and others got involved in trying to say they came from the interstate basically. they moved around the can into designing the passage through the canon in a more environmentally responsible way. they acceded to the viewpoint. they dare to propose that neither didn't need to be a superhighway of way for the high country. it was okay. the small minority that raised the possibility that maybe could just stay for the parts of the high country. they were mercilessly mocked by the dreamers at best and at worst as enemies of the public interest because they were people standing in the way to oppose the four lane road in the automobile access to the recreation and given that that was a form of recreation that most had invested themselves in, most of their lack of people and the fight to stop the interstate construction and some of them had more limited goals like building the interstate through the canyon in the more environmentally sensitive way according to the mor more empire mentally sensitive design. instead of joining the fight to stop in making the interstate with nicer. in the high country as he argued before the packaging and the promotion of the recreational places came from the villages to the retirement communities and other things to consume we often tend to dismiss the consumers into something sort of shallow. the consumers were actually able to have connections that they would consume. they had limits that are equally important to notice. consumers learned to care about their favorite places is not necessarily about others and that was the movement that was unified in the local and provincial and holistic. it was too rooted in the call chirrup the entrepreneurialism included the automobile highway construction to the ever really serious challenge to them even if such a challenge was needed. then again, even if the consumers have the protested the reason many people protested at all. connecting to certain settings as consumers may not enter the holistic of the college is for the most part, but it did spur many of them to care on some level and in some way about environmental issues. but that was an imported into challenging question as a bleaker grapple with the difficult issues of growth and sustainability including the ongoing debate over what to do without the congestioabout the d environmental degradation along the i. 70 today. on the one hand, can be environmental sensibility is rooted in the recreational consumerism after really point us towards the more stable ways of living and doing business? but on the other hand, it is not for consumers with the popular concern for the environmental quality as widespread or would it exist at all? those might be unanswered so i would be happy to take any questions that you may have for me. '. >> i will make my way over the there. please make sure you hold the microphone close. >> wait for the microphone. >> my question on by creating the interstates of the mountains besides ed johnson it sounded like they decided to factor. was there ever a military transport on the i. 70? eisenhower was a part of the military transport of 1919 obviously using the lincoln highway mostly. was there ever an event like that? >> not that i am aware of. there were parts along the interstate but i'm not aware of the transports like that eisenhower had which was one of the things that apparently convinced him of the need for the system of the defense highways. i'm not aware of any use for those purposes, but in that -- it seems to have been. there was a lot of talk about the highway. the official name for them is when it was created in 1956. >> yes, hello? to questions. i believe that i have read or heard the canyon costs more than the entire rest of the interstate costs total. >> i don't know if that is true but i wouldn't be surprised because the cost as you probably know that learning is the design change as they ran into the highway builders always do into the unexpected geological obstacles and stuff like that so i wouldn't be surprised of the values. >> president eisenhower's involvement or lack of involvement. and in a book called the old gray mare's of denver was written by an assistant to william nicholson in the last republican mayor of denver. they had already passed the first bill of the u.s. house of representatives. they asked what they could do to help out and they said give an extra 1,000 miles. he called the department of transportation whatever it was called then, and that was passed in the house. so i take it that you don't agree with that. >> it wasn't that cut and dry. as you said he was supportive of the extra thousand miles but there were able of claimants to those. it wasn't a foregone conclusion that they would go to colorado and utah. so even as i mentioned before when they improved that extension, the thousand mile expansion of the interstate system it was still up to the technocrats to decide where they would go, who would give those or how they would be divvied up. and at that time it is hard to relate to this now but at that time the highway was difficult to push around politically. there was a lot of sort of deference to the technocrats to a degree. anybody that claimed expertise about the sort of political partisanship thought yeah right so we have more of a culture than that but there was more deference to the judgment and to the power of the highly technocrats at that time. so even if eisenhower -- and there is no question that eisenhower made happy noises about how the interstate was through colorado. but i wasn't able to find any evidence of the staff. i got evidence at that meeting that you were talking about but the outcomes that were taken are basically eisenhower is instructing the aid to get him to extricate him from any sort of commitment. so i think that george kelly in that book was making a story i'd say. >> over here? >> i actually have an old map and i've been puzzling over why u.s. 24 and u.s. 50, why neither of those was ever considered for the interstate. >> the biggest single reason is denver and the sort of -- again from the greatest political power in colorado but also the greatest sort of engineering argument for the utilitarian argument for the state and statd colorado would be one that went through denver. so that is the single biggest reason that they go through colorado springs. >> what about the reservoir did that have anything to do with the interstate project? >> s. escape. >> the biggest thing is where would the interstate go. they worked with a possibility for a long time of running the interstate over-the-top that would have required a much larger course but all of this is converging at the same time. denver is making its place. the interstate planners are making their plans for which path they are going to take. the decision to run through the county wasn't made until, the final decision wasn't made until 1960 and by that time the engineering had more or less moved on so they ended up running it along the base so i did have some effect but like i said by the time the interstate was actually designated it was no longer really an issue. it was a water project. >> we have time for maybe one more question. [inaudible] [laughter] >> flip the coin. >> i just want to know on the vacationland of the huge traffic jams we see now on 70 calories that going to impact our economy and all of the things that you have been talking about? >> well i am an academic so i'd like to pick up on the premise of the question. what i would say is that so much of the debate over interstate 70 has revolved not so much on the environmental issues but the congestion. for how the recreational it takes too long to get up there to get back where for the business interested might start to harm their business if people are detoured by how congested the interstate has become. i think it's interesting that has become the core issue is the issue of congestion. if it's the sort of limits of the environmental consciousness that by developing the consciousness that grows out of the business interest you miss a lot of other ways of looking at the issue. which way that will go i have no idea. i was asked that question in the afternoon talk and i quoted the famous saying of the prophet looking backwards to say that historians are useless for projecting the future. but it seems like when they expanded that tunnel just east that currently the strongest political supporter stands for doing some strategic widening here or there. whether that might change or there might be a paradigm shift towards the rail with a new way of viewing the problem at the end of the book i raised the issues of the things like as environmental issues change if whale becomes less cheap and climate changes radically transforming. >> i would like to thank you one more time. [applause] >> i wish we had more time. the lecture could keep going on but please come out and he would be happy to answer the question individually. otherwise stop by the gift shop on the way out. i needed to answer questions as well otherwise we will see you next month. thank you very much. we are live now at the national press club in washington, d.c. for remarks in a few moments by the retired surgeon and author ben carson who plays third in the political conferences presidential straw poll. the new book is called one nation what we can do to save america's future. introductory remarks are getting underway. live coverage on c-span2. >> i noticed the members of the general public are attending. so it's not necessarily evidence of a lack of journalistic objectivity. i would also like to welcome the public radio audiences. you can follow on twitter using the hash tag npclunch. we have a question and answer perco and will ask as many questions as time permits. now it's time to introduce the head table guests and i would like you each to stand briefly as your name is announced. from your right, the director emeritus of the journalism washington program. travel writer for the jamestown post-journal of new york state. the assistant managing editor for the christian post. president editorial associates and coworkers might serve today's luncheon, candy carson, co-author of two books with her husband who is our guest speaker today and the cofounder of the carson scholar fund. donna reporter usa today, four national press club president and vice chair of the speakers committee. skipping over the speaker for a moment, mary lou donohue, president artistic the speaking and organizer of today's event. thank you so much. anchor, reporter, fox news. megan, regional editor at the "washington post," and kirby, executive director of the national journalism center. [applause] although well known in his field he was a pediatric brain surgeon at johns hopkins university benjamin carson was not on the political radar until the keynote speech at last year's national prayer breakfast. with president obama -- [applause] with president obama also outcome of doctor carson spoke about the danger facing the country, lack of education, the tax system, healthcare. he prefers a personal savings account for every one and approach quite different from the affordable care act. some viewed the speech as a rebuke of the president and it caught the eye of conservatives and led doctor carson to the national stage and weekly column in the "the washington times" and now some encourage him to run for the republican presidential nomination. [applause] while his views on social issues fit comfortably in the gop right-wing he also advocates practically some. note the following from the column and i quote if conservatives are going to win in 2014 and 2016 and preserve the environment of freedom to which we have grown accustomed, it will be necessary to learn how to prioritize issues. issues. i'm not saying social issues are not important, but it's executive branch remains in the hands of those with secular progressive ideas and 2016 and two or three more supreme court justices with similar meanings appointed conservative, social ideas will become an act of men's to the prevailing powers. we will use every tool available to silence the opposition. born into poverty and raised in inner-city detroit, doctor carson graduated from high school with honors, received a degree in psychology from yale and earned a medical degree at the university of michigan. at 33 doctor carson became the youngest doctor ever to hit the major division at the hospital to read he's the author of several books and with his wife the creator, together the creator of a scholarship program for children grades four through 11. doctor carson's breakfast speech earned the backbone of the book one nation what we can do to save america's future or a topic that he will address today. ladies and gentlemen, please join me in a warm welcome to the national press club for doctor benjamin carson. [applause] thank you so much. candy and i are absolutely honored to be here, and i'm going to tell you what at the end of the talk why i think the press is so important and what the role is in the free society. but first of all, let me just tell you that i am so grateful that i was born in this country which is still a land of dreams. my dream was to be a doctor. i love love anything that has to with medicine. all that stuff. i just couldn't get enough. i eve even like to go into the doctor office, so they told me i was a bit of a strange kid. but, you know, there were a lot of problems along the way. my parents got divorced early on. my mother discovered that the man she married when she was 13-years-old was a bigamist into that resulted in a divorce. she only had a third grade education. and the job of raising two young sons by herself in the inner-city. but the key thing about my mother that she passed on to us that was so important is that she refused to be a victim and she refused to allow us to the victims. and she just said whatever the situation is, i will deal with it and that's what she us to do. and there wasn't enough money. she would get in the car could take us out on a monday morning, not on the farmer's door and say can we pick some apples or beans, three for you and one for us? they always like that deal and she would bring stuff home and go to goodwill and get a pair of pants with a whole and people would say where did you get those pants i need some like that. she would stretch every penny and nickel and dime, drive the car until they wouldn't making noise again and then she would take all of those nickels and dimes into by a car and people would say how can she afford a new car but is she doing she must be selling drugs or selling her body or something but she understood economics. if she were in the treasury we wouldn't be in this situation right now. [applause] but fortunately i was able to benefit from her wisdom because she worked as a domestic cleaning other people's houses getting back after midnight. she worked so hard because she didn't want to be on welfare. she noticed anybody that went on welfare generally didn't come off of it. she needed to be an independent soul and i was a horrible student and she was the one that made me start reading books and my brother also. i like the idea. she came home and turned off the tv and said you are going to read two books a piece and submit writing book reports which she couldn't read, but we didn't know that. and she would put check marks in highlights and everythinand hign them and we thought that she was. but everybody else was having a great deal of fun and i just hated it. why did you do it, your mother wasn't there. back in those days you had to do with your parents told you. but as i started reading those books i really had a transformation of who i was. i started reading about people's accounts was and i began to understand who it was that was responsible for my life and it was me, not somebody else or the environment and i used to hate poverty before that. i know that it was within my own power to change it and i developed the can-do attitude that has had a profound affect on my career and if i had listened to to so many aspects i wouldn't be standing here talking to you today and i encourage people to utilize those gifts and to think in a creative manner and think about what you can do not what you can't do. there are so many negative people. when i was in my first year of medical school i took poorly on the first day. he looked at my record and is it you seem like an intelligent young man. i bet there's a lot of things that you can do outside of medicine. they tried to convince me to drop out of medical school. you make yourself and everybody else miserable. he seemed like a very kind thing but it wasn't. and i just went back to my apartment and i started contemplating and i said lord help me figure this out and i said what kind of courses do you struggle and do you do very well in and i realized i did well in the courses i do a lot of reading and i struggled in the courses i listen to boring lectures. we spend time reading int the td the rest was a snap after that. i was looking for that because i was going to tell him he wasn't cut out to be the counselor. [laughter] because there are so many people that are negative. they can tell you what's wrong with something and why something can't be done. i am not politically correct and i don't like political correctness. i'm totally refusing to submit to political correctness come and i actually have a great deal of productivity for pleasure as they try to dissect everything. most of the people in nazi germany did not believe in, but did they open their? no. what happened and what does happen and they don't stand up for what they be vegan because freedom isn't free. the scandal was a gift from god, and of course any thinking person knows that what i'm saying is that the revelation of what happens when you create the bureaucrats between people that creates this kind of problem and it's a good thing but something happened that will show even the most partisan person what to expect when you take healthcare and put it in the hands of the government. it would be comical if it were not so sad but that's where the nation has gone. what i see is on as one of the t problems in the society. the reason i wrote one nation is to illustrate people is that we the american people are not each other's enemies. they try to drive a wedge in every craft they can find to create racial wars, gender wars, income from any kind that you can present. but this is straight out of the marxist. one of the rules for radicals don't have a conversation. political correctness is the way to keep people from having a conversation. you can't say that or talk about that. what we need to start doing, all of us, when you are watching the news or you are reading a newspaper or magazine, get a piece of paper out. the objective journalism on the one column, the smear campaign on the other side and just listen to it. there are certain columnists, certain pundits who never actually address the issue at hand. they go off on a tangent and start calling people names, they start trying to demonize folks coming and you're never quite yt to the actual issue at hand. and it's one of the reasons that it's so important that our populace becomes educated again. they become informed. the founders in the nation said our freedom and a system of government is based upon a well-informed and educated populace and if they ever become anything other than that, the nature of the country will change. why? because people wouldn't have the wherewithal to analyze what they are hearing. and they could be very easily lead by the slick politicians and the dishonest media. this is what we are dealing with. this is what is in the process of east riding the nation. now, i know what the left wing says. [applause] they would say the american people are too stupid to know anything. that's the only way they know how to report. they don't actually know how to report the kind of things. but i think that we have to start calling them out on all of this silliness and i think that it's so important that we hold the press to a higher standard. they can't do what they're doing. [applause] because a free and vibrant society is dependent on a free press to told the truth to be objective and not to choose the size because they choose to ignore the law and the constitution and to do anything they want and not be called into question and when that happens, the freedom and the society disappear. that is a law of the press you can go about and read and at some point members of the press just like the political carnage have to say my loyalty is into this party or that party my loyalty is to america. [applause] that's what is going to make a difference and we have to stop making issues. look at our national debt. 17 trillion moving towards $18 trillion do you know how much money that is? if you tried to pay that back at a billion dollars a day that is a lot of money. a billion? it would take 47 years. and the only reason that we can do it is because our dollar is a reserve currency of the world. what if it wasn't? and it may not be forever because that is the status that usually goes to the number one economic power in the world which we have been since the 1870s and will not be by the end of this year because of an incredibly sluggish growth. why do we have such a sluggish growth? because we have asinine economic policies. think about this. [applause] we have the highest corporate tax rates in the world, and we sit here and complain about companies doing business overseas. that indicates a fundamental lack of understanding of what capitalism is. people don't go into business to support the government. they go into business to make money. money. suck on a live government creates an environment that is conducive to business, not one to blame them and then demonizes them that doesn't make any sense. a live government has a tax structure that is truly fair, not one that oppresses people. and i will soon be coming out with some principles of taxation, one of which is no american should have to pay more than 37% of what they earn in taxes. [applause] i'm talking about federal, state, local, all taxes. 37%. that's more than one third of what you make. i think that's reasonable. we can make it 42% for those that make over a million dollars to the left wing can be satisfied that somebody is getting mixed up. but anybody that is paying more than 50% of what they make in all taxes, that this incentivizes people. and what we need to recognize is that when you incentivize people and we get people working hard and creating business, it creates a much bigger pot. the government will wind up with a lot more money, not less money. but we have to get people that understand that and not people who think you take the money from this group and if you give it to this group that will be fair. and this group doesn't even pay income tax but they should have a say in how much of this group sounds tedious co-pays that isn't fair at all. porsche analogy that is what is fair. you make a buck and pay a lot, make a little, pay a little. you pay a billion dollars, but the wonderful thing about the nation and the system like that of a guy that pedophili got paie are not about creating the class envy and if you go back and look at the neo- marxist literature what did they say and emphasize? the importance of the class envy that you can never let it rest. have you noticed anybody that does that in our society? i am not mentioning any names, but i'm telling you it's rampant. and this is what we've got to stop, and we've got to become compassionate. we have to think about the next generation. i grew up in detroit so i'm very sensitive to this. detroit was once the wealthiest city in america and now the largest bankruptcy. and what happened? people kept kicking the can down the road and refused to accept responsibility for what was going on. some people said there was the union and they played a big role. but they do what they do. they will gladly -- just give me that right now. i don't care about anything else in the future. but the big three automakers and i blame them just as much because they knew that if they kept competing to demand of the union that one day the price would have to be paid but they also knew that by that time they would have long disappeared in their golden parachute and it wouldn't be their problem and this is exactly what we are doing today and in this nation. we have no regard whatsoever for the people that come behind us. we just want ours right now. it's incredibly selfish and un-american and we have to stop it. [applause] why to buy rail so much against the affordable care act? i wouldn't if it was the affordable care acts but it's the own affordable care act. the real reason isn't because of the rollout and all of the computer glitches that's around it being passed. it's not about the increasing premiums and the inefficiency and the beer of chrissy. it's about the fact that we are taking the most important thing that a person has come of their health and their healthcare, and we are putting it under the hand/of the bureaucrats and the government. how can you give away your most important asset to the government because they can come tall the most important asset it isn't long before they can control everything else and i want you to read what saul wilensky and vladimir lenin said about that. people need to educate themselves so that you know what's going on, so that you know what the agenda is, so that you know how to combat it. you won't know that if you don't educate your self an and rooms f what is going on in the society. and i think it is also incredibly important that when we gain control again, and when i say the i'm not talking about any political party. i'm talking about people with common sense. when we gain control again -- [applause] what we have to remember is that we are not going to treat the secular progressives the way that they treated us. we are going to govern based on the constitution of the united states of america, and we are not going to have special favors. we are going to have won a special interest group and that's the american people and i'm talking about all of the american people. the downtrodden in the country have been abused so much by the so-called do good that have made them into a dependent class. we don't want a dependent class. we want a 47% to ascend to the highest level possible. we have to pick the right programs in place and look at things like what mohammed younis have looked at people out of poverty in pakistan and india. those will work right here in america. we are responsible for putting those things together because all of us no matter what our social economics class and status, we are in the same boat and is part of it sinks, the rest of it is going down and we have to recognize that is the reason that we are called the united states of america. thank you. [applause] >> we want to begin the questions. we want to use every minute possible to ask doctor carson questions and hear his responses. doctor carson, were you surprised by the attention that you received following the 2,013th national prayer breakfast? why do you think you struck such an accord? .. deep and abiding. and what has happened is that all of those people who have given up on america are starting to think that maybe they are not the only ones who feel that way. maybe there is some logic and some common sense, maybe there's hope. and that's what they represent to a lot of people.
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out there. the fact of the matter is his policies have made our economy worse. republicans believe these midterms will be a referendum on president joe biden. historically sitting presidents lose congressional seats in their first midterm elections. but with so many issues beyond the economy like abortion and immigration, democrats say their record speaks for itself. we feel proud what we've done. we feel proud of the president for republicans. he's the opposition's biggest liability right now. we've got a democratic congress that rubber stamps, everything joe biden does and he wants more spending that result in inflation. >> and that was trevor shirley reporting for us. again, the midterms just 2 weeks away. there's a chance that some of these races we will be watching closely could end up being tightened. we might not know the final results until at least a few days after election day, we will have more comprehensive coverage from now until election day here on air and on kron 4 dot com. and coming at 10, 30, the candidates for california governor facing off over the weekend. we're breaking down what happened during that debate. tonight. arizona officials are sounding the alarm about voter safety after 2 armed individuals dressed in tactical gear were found outside a ballot drop location. they are people peacefully left after maricopa county authority showed up and asked them to leave. officials say this appears to be unlawful. voter intimidation. arizona law does not allow weapons within 75 feet of a voting location. this all comes after a voter trying to cast their ballot was reportedly approached and followed by a group of individuals. >> and now to this developing story, rapper kanye west, who now goes by ye is being scrutinized after this billboard was put up in los angeles over the weekend, echoing his recent rants against the jewish community. it says, quote, konya is right about the jews and it comes after the antisemitic comments made by the rapper during an interview with news nation anchor chris cuomo. >> we're not going to the owned by the jewish media anymore. if you think about every celebgity khan, if you come back on camera. >> well, in response state senator scott wiener of san francisco teamed up with state senator jesse gabriel from southern california and the anti defamation league to demand action in response. they're calling out apparel giant adidas to cut ties with the controversial rapper. >> there's no gray area here. there is no scenario in which the company, adidas or otherwise should be working with pay money to con ed using to represent their product when he was literally calling for the killing of juice. >> fanning the flames of antisemitism and at the same time giving aid and comfort to time giving aid and comfort to white supremacists and other not only as an encouragement. but as validation >> earlier today, talent agency caa announced that it was dropping you as a client, instagram and twitter have also suspended his social media accounts earlier this month. we've seen anti semitic flyers on driveways and walnut creek and avato and a doll with a swastika drawn on it was found in pacifica. he has not made a public statement about the banner. >> a judge is set to decide tomorrow if a request from the defense attorney representing the man accused of a series of killings in stockton will be granted to restrict the district attorney and police from discussing the case with the media. wesley brownlee was arrested on suspicion of fatally shooting 6 people and arrested on suspicion of attempted murder. but so far he's only been charged with 3 killings. his defense team argues a protective order is needed because media coverage in statements from officials involved in the case are prejudiced against brownlee. his lawyer says braley deserves the presumption of innocence. the prosecution, meanwhile, says any statements the da's office has made only reinforce that there is evidence that is, quote, beyond a reasonable doubt. in the east bay, a woman whose body was found burning in antioch last week has now been identified. the coroner's office says the body belongs to. 25 year-old micaela sharman. her body was discovered a week ago in a fire burning along a trail near lopez drive. police released photos of her jewelry hoping they could be used to identify her. but the coroner's office says it was her dental records. they were actually used to positively id the body. police say 2 people of interest have been arrested in connection to charlene's death but did not share any further details. >> and the suspect in a domestic dispute is dead after a chase by hayward police. investigators say that bank on a report about disturbance this morning at an apartment complex on gary drive. they said that the suspect fired off about a dozen browns, then led police on a slow-speed chase down interstate 5.80, and then on to east canyon road. the suspect lost control of their car, crashing into a ditch. there. afterward he tried to carjack a woman and that's when officers say they shot at the suspect several times. a very active unfolding resident who's just coming down, trying to get on the freeway, go to work, gets encountered by this. >> a man with the basically threatened her life and threatens to steal her vehicle. >> one hayward police officer was hurt in that chase. investigators say that the suspect's car is linked to a kidnapping and robbery in emeryville. >> today, oakland police announced one week without anybody dying because of a violent crime. to date the oakland police department has investigated 104 homicides this year. the city's police officers association president says that statistic paired with the number of guns opd confiscated this year is alarming. >> we crossed or 1200 firearms recovered this year in my 20 year career, we won't even get to 1000 the year an hour at 1200 or 5.25%. increase year-over-year. >> you see pictures here of guns. oakland police say they've recovered just last monday during an investigation on 27th avenue at the corner of international boulevard. oakland police say the week without a death from violent crime is thanks to recent efforts to combat violent crime. tomorrow, the police chief leronne armstrong will give a status update on his 30 day plan to combat gun violence. and newly acquired grant funding for the department. >> an elderly woman is dead and another is critically hurt after police say that a speeding driver ran a stop sign at 24th avenue in santiago street in san francisco sunset district. >> the driver also hit several vehicles. kron 4 taylor bisacky was at the scene earlier today. she joins us now live in the newsroom with more on that. taylor. >> well, the collision happened just before 11 this morning at the intersection of 24th ave and santiago street. the area remain closed for a majority of the day due to this investigation. >> shocking. i walk half every day. i come here and a lot of high school kids, people walking around the park. so i was really shocked that somebody come up to us such high speed, san francisco neighbors reacting to the collision at 24th avenue in santiago street. >> that left one elderly woman dead and another critically injured. devastating. it's i feel really horrible for >> people involved. but we have noticed an increase in people running through stop signs and speeding. police say the women were crossing the street when a driver hit supervisor gordon mar who represents the sunset district says the driver sped through a stop sign and caused the accident. however, the driver did remain at the scene. it's very concerning, especially in at this intersection because it's right at lincoln high school where hundreds of a high school students. >> young people across every single day going to going and from school. also right next to coffin square, which a major park and playground here in the and and parkside library or says. >> he's looking into ways to improve traffic safety through road designs. he says there also needs to be more traffic enforcement need to sfpd really step up. their traffic enforcement. and we had a hearing at the board of supervisors several weeks ago. >> traffic enforcement in san francisco that that really showed that traffic enforcement and citations have really declined significantly over the last several years at a time. always. we've seen unsafe driving during the pandemic. really increase. >> my plans to hold a neighborhood meeting in the next week with sfpd and as fm to discuss what can be done to improve traffic safety in the area. still no idea the victims of this incident. we will let you know as soon as we have that information reporting live in the newsroom. taylor bisacky kron. 4 news. thank you so much. taylor. >> now to the south bay as dui crash in san jose left one driver so badly hurt. there's a possibility they may never walk again. the victim's car rolled over on yesterday on blossom hill road and walnut drive. police say that a group of cars were speeding when one of them lost control. and one of the drivers was arrested for a dui. police have not said whether that person was injured. also no word on either of their identities. >> santa rosa is hoping to stop sideshows. the city council will meet tomorrow to discuss passing a measure that would give police the ability to arrest or cite everybody involve set aside show that includes people driving the cars. the passengers people watching from the street, the organizers, if approved, the ordinance will go into effect november. 25th. 3 people are dead, including the gunman and 6 others have been hurt after a shooting. this is at a school in st. louis today. yeah. reporter sunglass spoke with some students there who are forced to barricade their doors. >> huddling classroom corners and jump from windows. >> the doors were locked and the school was closed. the central visual and performing arts high school in st. louis has metal detectors. and on this monday, 7 security guards were on duty. you just don't expect this to happen in your life, really? because light. >> schools must be safe environments, you just don't expect to get tested. grandfather at 9 the morning. hey, there's gunshots at my school. i don't know if i'm going to live on. sorry and i love you. >> that student's father praising the quick and productive actions of officers. i saw the police helping kids jump off of buildings and help them climb over fences. >> there's a there's a low building in the back and a bunch of kids are on the roof and the police officers were jumped off the roof and climb over like a 10 foot so i thought the police to the house and >> st. louis interim police commissioner lieutenant michael sack gave an update shortly after the shooting. the security staff been outstanding job identifying. >> the efforts to enter. and immediately notified other staff and ensure that we were contacted was at timely response. but that security officer, the fact that the door that cause pause for the suspect that that bought us some time. >> teachers acted fast telling students to get on the ground that was looking for something of the few myself with. but the gunshots were coming to close. so i couldn't get up to defend my so because they were going back in for shooting. wrote it. so i had the my teacher told me to lay down on the floor. so that's what i to the police officers came came and got us despite the impressive actions of public servants, 8 individuals, including the suspect were transported to the hospital. think out again for the teachers and adults in the building. >> will help facilitate their escape. >> that was sloane glass reporting for us. and students say that they knew it was not a drill. the principal got onto the loudspeaker and use a special code for a school shooting. >> a 16 year-old boys pleaded guilty to 24 counts of killing 4 students and hurting 7. more after he opened fire at a high school in michigan last year. ethan crumbley dropped his insanity plea this morning until the court. he knew what he was doing and he's ready to face whatever sentence he was given. his parents are charged with involuntary manslaughter. they were called to oxford high school. the mourning their son opened fire to discuss his disturbing behavior. they said they would get him counseling but refused to take him home shortly after they left his when the shooting took place. the judge set a date in february for hearings to determine if you will be sentenced to life without parole or get a shorter sentence due to his age. >> the big story that we're following tonight, a new report shows that schools nationwide are seeing a dip in test scores. experts saying the reason behind that likely has a lot to do with the pandemic. the test results are in. and it's not what educators are. parents obviously want to hear the state's standardized test. smart balance shows that fewer than half of students met the english language arts standard. dropping for the test results are in and it's not what educators are. parents want to hear. the state's standardized test, smarter balanced shows that fewer than half of students but the english language arts standard. >> dropping 4 percentage points since 2018, 2019, one-third of students performed a standard and math declining 6 and a half points. it could have been but >> we shouldn't because we still have work to do. father executive director of the oakland based organization, the education trust doctor christopher says he's disappointes but not shocked because of how the covid-19 pandemic impacted learning. >> but he says he's alarmed to see no improvement in racial gaps. one of the finding is that the gaps, the gaps that we see between students of color. >> and and other students in the state? i'm in some cases as wide a name and so while we weren't surprised, we certainly were more alarms on the national test. california students did better. >> falling in math but maintaining a similar scored a 2019 in reading. the state superintendent have put a lot of energy >> literacy and reading. and so that could be one explanation. but we just have more more time to learn there says there needs to be focused on urgently finding a solution to combat the declines. that includes investing in teachers and schools in an equitable way. >> so dollars reached the places that need it most. he also has suggestion for parents look at the for your district for your school. >> i would say also don't panic. i mean, i know that's hard as a parent. >> but go to the find ways to ask hard questions. amanda hari kron. 4 news whether time now as we get a check on the 4 zone forecast taking a live look here to clear cool night above san francisco. >> it's quite the gorgeous side. kron four's. brittany begley joins us now with a look ahead. it is beautiful. yes, well, we're looking at is another chilly start. but things are going to warm up kind of like what we saw today. the big story will be the some breezy conditions. and we're watching for the potential rain this weekend, a right ahead of halloween. so let's talk about you need to know again, our lows tonight will be in the 40's in the 50's. another chilly start tomorrow. and this weekend, all eyes on radar. so temperatures for today really you can see right there below average. so we're just hearing that average in san francisco for october 70. we're at 69 santa rosa. your average is 75. we're at 73. you can see concord, your average is 76 and you are at 76 storm tracker just really showing that low pressure system. bring cooler temperatures in the morning bringing us the mountain snow we had over the weekend and the chilly temperatures. take a look at your screen. so center you look up to 43 redwood city. 45 and even napa. 49 in quickly, when i look at your 6 o'clock, a temperatures for tomorrow, i think you're going to the 50's. so i think it's going to be a little bit warmer, but it's still going to be chilly visibility as you wake up at 6 o'clock, it's going to be foggy near the coast mountain view. same story in haywood, gusty wind breeze we could see wind gusts up to 30 miles per hour on the coast and majority of folks are going to see it in the teens. your wake-up planner shows your san francisco are looking at 66 partly sunny for tomorrow. oakland, 66 partly sunny san jose. 68 partly sunny. but what about that weekend forecast? update on everything you need to know. hour by hour. coming up next. >> says good. thank you, brittany of man with 3 previous arrests for murder has been arrested again. richmond. police say 37 year-old bobby dozier shot and killed. 26 year-old mark cook back in july. he was arrested last week when a swat team served a search warrant in martinez and arrested dozier. he faces charges of murder and gun violations. >> now to the developing story out of atherton were a landscaper found a car buried in the backyard. the multimillion dollar mansion. the car has since been pulled out. but the question remains, why was it 4 to 5 feet below ground in the first place? kron four's justin campbell has the latest on this investigation. >> work crews started filling up the whole monday in the backyard of an after to mention where a car was found buried last week. now we know more information that this car was a mercedes. that's what police tell us. convertible. palo alto. police say the car was reported stolen in september of 1992. now was told to the san mateo county crime lab. and that's where it's at right now. but here's a recap of how we got to where we are today. how this car was found after 10 police say this past thursday, the car was discovered during a landscaping project. most likely buried in the 90's during the excavation cadaver dogs gave a slight notification of possible human remains after removing the car on sunday, police used ground penetrating radar to examine the scene. now they concluded no human remains were found on the scene. but one nearby resident not surprised by the mistreat car buried at the mansion. i'm sure there are a lot of a lot of stories like this that we just don't know because this area so athletic and so stories get coming up. one of the man previous owners, john liu had a lengthy criminal history. >> he was arrested in 1999 for insurance fraud. police say he tried to hire someone to sink his yacht with plans to claim the bull was stolen and collect 1.2 million dollars from his insurance company lou has since died. but what we can confirm that car that was taken out of the ground, how to personalize license plate with the last name lou, reporting here in atherton justin campbell kron. 4 news. >> scam alert. a person is posing as a danville police officer. they've been calling residents on the phone to tell them that they missed jury duty and threatening that if they do not pay a fine, that will have a warrant issued for their arrest. tampa police are reminding residents they will not call over the phone to ask for money to be sent electronically or through third-party cash applications. >> still ahead, a missing california teenager has been found after 2 years where police say a school teacher was hiding it. plus, trying to explain the unexplained the newest mission from nasa to investigate new of foes. >> and uk's new leader. what we're learning about the new prime minister and >> his ties to the bay area. ere'a reason comcast siness powers more businesses an any other provider. tually, there'a few... mcast business offers the stest, reliable network... e protection security edge... d the most liable 5g network. nt me to keep going? can... ether your business starting or growing, u need comcast business. chnology solutions at p p you ahead. t started with fast eeds and advanced security r $49.99 a nth for 12 months. us ask how to get up a $750 prepaid card th a qualifying ndle. tonight, nasa has a new scientific team dedicated to investigating foes. 16 experts will spend the next 9 months studying the unidentified flying objects. >> the team is comprised of physicists, computer experts, oceanographers, even former nasa astronaut scott kelly will analyze years of observations from encounters all over the globe. nasa says they will release the findings to the public late next year. for your money. tonight, another round of california inflation relief payments went out today. this is the first set of debit card payments. there had been some direct deposits that already went out next round goes out friday payment schedules. they run through january of next year. and you can a full breakdown of the timeline on our website. kron 4 dot com. >> and next on kron, 4 news at 10, how san francisco plans to beef up security in the city. the new team that they hope will bring down crime. plus, the covid breakthrough. health experts have determined that the telltale signs that indicate who got vaccinated and who did not and in creating their own electricity. how scientists say they managed to do it. >> and coming up next here tonight and forecast the chance for rain. details after the break. >> to date with a shortage in police, san francisco is relying more on the orange. these community ambassadors who the beef up security. now you might have seen them out in their uniforms. kron four's dan kerman fills us in. >> on the details about the additional set of eyes and ears out on our streets. >> these additional passengers will not only be walking the streets here in the union square downtown area, but also in various neighborhoods since last year, they become a common sight in san francisco's tourist areas. we talked to tourists. they stop trouble before it happens are reported once it does. they are san francisco's ambassadors. some are community members. others are retired cops. there are some 200 of them throughout the city and their focus is the same helping keep san francisco's streets safer. and now the city is adding an additional 150 people to the ranks are really and truly excited about the opportunity to not just expand it. >> in our downtown areas in the tenderloin, but to go into neighborhoods like the mission like west portal, like other communities who so desperately needed at a news conference monday city leaders announced the 8 million dollar expansion bringing people from the community to walk the streets and make sure their communities are safe, clean, healthy and vibrant. >> is exactly the right strategy. >> what these ambassadors do is they help us reduce harm. so our community, the harms that we see day in and day out. the harms that we get complaints about the harms that we get. the mandate to do something about. >> tourists who dealt with ambassadors have had nice things to say. the very informative can ask questions my city to be in again. and while many unheard of san francisco's reputation as being dirty and unsafe, those we spoke to found it to be just the opposite is my first visit here. so it's been nice exciting and i feel seen. >> those 150 ambassadors will be phased in over the next year. the mayor says the money is there for those 158. however, she says to keep that program ongoing. the city with the more about in san francisco. dan kerman kron. 4 >> and other news tonight, scott peterson is no longer on death row. this after 2 years that the california supreme court overturned his death sentence for killing his pregnant wife last week. peterson was moved from san quentin state prison to mule creek state prison. that's just east of sacramento. the judge said that he had to eventually be moved out of death row because he's no longer condemned. jurors impose the death penalty after convicting peterson of first-degree murder of laci peterson and second degree murder of their unborn son. now a state judge is considering of peterson deserves a new trial. harvey weinstein, second crimes trial is now underway in los angeles. in today's opening statements, the prosecutor described in graphic detail how he says the former movie mogul raped one of his accusers in a hotel room back in 2005. that victim is now the wife of governor gavin newsom. jennifer newsome. and she's expected to testify. weinstein who is facing 11 counts denies all of the allegations. the 70 year-old was found guilty in a similar trial in new york back in 2020. the sacramento elementary school teacher has been arrested for hiding a missing 15 year-old boy for nearly 2 years in 2020 15 year-old michael ramirez was reported missing from his home in rancho cordova in march of this year, ramirez returned home telling family members that he was staying at a friend's house after an investigation by police. 61 year-old hold a casteel. olivares was arrested last thursday. she's an employee of the sacramento city unified school district. and police say that she allowed the team to stay at her home for those 2 years. well, the virus now faces charges of detention of a minor with the intent to conceal from a parent and contributing to the delinquency of a minor. today, a judge allowed to live ares to be released without bail. >> kron four's your local election headquarters and it is been more than 24 hours now since the one and only california gubernatorial debate of this election season. newsom there and state senator brian dolly, they went after each other yesterday. both the dressing key issues facing the state, including the homeless crisis. >> i just drove down the street here today, stephanie, over people defecating on the street and needles hasn't fixed it. when i got here, there was no homeless strategy. no plan, no resources of any merit. today, there's 15.3 billion dollars. there's a real strategy, real plan and there's accountability for the first time. >> loyola law professor jessica levinson says because registered democrats outnumber registered republicans nearly 2 to one in california. the debate will only do so much. >> there's nothing really that could happen in the debate that would move more than a few undecideds one way or another. and it's not because of what happened. it's because of the numbers in california. it would have to be something catastrophic for governor newsom to lose. >> and a reminder, if you'd like to receive a ballot in the mail. time's running out to register to vote. the deadline is 11:59pm. tonight. and now to the 4 zone forecast says we get a live look here at coit tower. yeah, i love this monument. it's one of my favorites here in san francisco. and cannot believe that there is no fun of the city tonight. >> we have meteorologist brittany begley here to let us know this beautiful weather will continue or might we see some rain? >> yeah, it's a rare sight. actually. see the camera didn't see a lot of the trees moving back and forth. so it's not too breezy, but things are going to change. let's talk about everything you need to know for the rest of the night and tomorrow as we plan a day. so taking a look at the big picture. here is what i want you to know. it was chilly this morning. it's going to be chilly tomorrow morning tonight. what we're watching again. so high clouds, minimal fall. we just showed you a nice clear picture. those going to be in the 43 to 50 degrees. so those lows are going to be chilly. you can see it right here as we speak. we're looking at 50 half moon bay livermore. 46 up to the north santa rosa. 45 in down to the south. 48 so temperatures as low as you can for those breezy conditions. a little bit later on tonight because of that low pressure system brought us some snow in the sierra about an inch inch and a half in some spots. the possibility of more snow coming up this weekend. not to mention a breezy conditions, fog colder temperatures for the rest of the day. the big story for us, what we're going to watch the next couple of days future cast for you can see is radar. so again, that system we showed you from the north sunday, 12. 45 you can see it's just to the coast as we fast forward to 11, 30 sunday morning. you can see is just to the north of us. and as we fast forward to 8 o'clock on sunday with the potential for rain, you can see it right here. this is an early model. it's a little aggressive but still shows us that potential as we fast forward to monday. 03:00am. we're still looking the potential for rain in terms of temperatures still going to be a sale like today. so you're still going to see warmer temperatures coming. chilly as you start out, the sun's going to come up and warm you up. so again, you want to dress in layers like you did today. hopefully you did. >> morgan hill, 74, san jose. 69, you can see inland. we're going to stay in the 70's livermore at 71. >> up to the north will also be in the 70's kind of warm for santa rosa. 73 vallejo, 70 and right there on the coast, san francisco. 65 so you're going be actually below average for you half moon bay. we're looking at 59, but kasey, breezy conditions, it's going to be foggy just for a little bit on your morning commute at 6.15. you can see that right there at the coast. same story from mountain view. >> not to mention those breezy conditions going to kick off wind gust santa rosa to the north 20 miles per hour on the coast. we're close to 20 miles per hour near half moon bay. concord, you're also going to see those breezy conditions as we roll into tuesday morning, all the way through the commute. and i always like to give that reminder, especially with all those halloween decorations. >> so 7 day forecast, your 10 day forecast because the senate, 10. >> you can see tuesday, 71 inland bay, 67 coast, 60 those temperature going to see in the 70's. but as we roll into saturday and sunday, that's when watch for the potential rain. i know that's a very busy day even monday morning with us trick or treaters. so just giving you the fair warning right now, so you can plan for dressing in layers with the costumes. >> that's that's going to be. so this costume. what are you wearing? haha ace ventura. all righty. in the north bay. sausalito is considering putting power lines underground. it would be part of a pg e upgrade. the 60 million dollar project would affect nearly 700 properties beeween glen drive in moraine avenue. the city council is set to see a presentation on the new project at tomorrow's meeting. >> nurses there at all to bates summit medical center in oakland and berkeley are on strike. they are taken to the picket lines. colin center health to address several issues including high turnover at the facility and workplace violence. nurses we spoke with say the really lose out or the patients. >> i mean, i think it's true out the hospital, but especially where training takes longer. so all the specialty areas were training can take a super long time. >> sutter health did reach out to us with a statement saying by moving forward with a costly and disruptive strike. local nurse union leadership has made it clear they're willing to put politics above patients and the nurses they represent despite the intervention of federal mediators and our willingness to bargain in good faith. while under threat of a strike, end quote. the strike is set to last at least 5 dates. >> students at stanford university don't have to wear masks inside classrooms and shuttle buses anymore. the university's administration explained that the number of people getting infected with covid has dropped low enough, but the restriction can be lifted but teachers can still require students to wear masks if they give them advance. notice it's still mandatory, though, to wear a mask inside all stanford medical facilities. health experts have managed to categorize covid symptoms based on a person's vaccine status. according to a new multinational study, the vaccinated partially vaccinated and the unvaccinated all experienced sore throat, runny nose, persistent cough, and headache. however, a 5th symptom varied among vaccination status for the vaccinated. it is a blocked nose for the partially vaccinated. it sneezing and for the unvaccinated. that's a fever. first lady doctor jill biden and singer mary j. blige are teaming up to raise cancer awareness. the pair held an event with the american cancer society today at the white house as part of the biden administration's cancer moonshot. that's initiative that's working to reduce cancer death rates and improve the lives of both patients and survivors. >> we're going to find the best way to help people get vaccines. screenings like mammograms and pap smears and all o the care that they need. >> i'm here today as a black woman who was passionate about using my platform to encourage other women to prior to is the health, namely the annual well woman visit mammograms, hapless hpv test while the screening rate for black women and white women are comparable. black women more likely to be screened at low resource fat facilities and also experienced longer intervals between detection diagnosis and treatment. >> part of the plan includes diagnosing cancer sooner and addressing community inequities. the white house hopes that this program can cut cancer deaths down by 50%. and the next 25 years, it's estimated that more than 600,000 americans will die of cancer this year alone. >> britain has a new prime minister. it is the nation's 3rd in the past few months. former treasury chief rishi sunak has been chosen as the leader of the governing conservative party. sunac is set to take over as the country faces a time of economic and political turbulence. today he pledged to serve the country with integrity and humility. >> we now need stability and unity and i will make it my priority to bring our policy and our country together. because that is the only way we will overcome the challenges we face. >> sunac attended stanford business school. he will be the uk's first leader of color and the youngest. >> still ahead, spending a lot of time playing video games might have some benefits. researchers say it could actually boost children's brains. >> and rough one for the niners yesterday. where was the defense and what was that sports director jason dumas as us hear from kyle shanahan about what needs to change. >> welcome back. take a look at this. 2 climate activists smash cakes into the face of a king charles wax statue in a museum in london. both were wearing just stop oil t-shirts. one of the activists called for immediate climate action. well, staff and guests repeatedly asked them to leave both of the protesters were arrested shortly after today's incident is just the latest in a string of actions at museums by climate activists, groups across europe over the weekend, climate protesters threw mashed potatoes at a claude monet painting in a german museum. the 2 activists also glued themselves to the wall below the painting. and earlier this month, environmental protesters threw tomato soup and vincent van gogh's sunflowers painting in london. both of the paintings were not terribly damaged. tonight, there are growing concerns. national security concerns specifically as tiktok looks into entering the e-commerce space. forbes reports the app was planning to pinpoint specific locations of american users. the concern is tiktok's chinese parent company byte danceawould use that and other data that it collects from users for illegal purposes. tiktok tonight, forbes report. but didn't address whether the app was using data to spy on american politicians. public figures, journalists and others. there are other concerns about how the app is being used in the u.s. data shows about 10% of people get their news from tiktok. parents often worry about how much time their kids are spending playing video games. but >> that game they might actually provide a brain boost yet. researchers at the university of vermont observed brain scans from 2000 kids between 9 and 10 years old. they found that the kids who played video games for 3 or more hours a day for faster and more accurate with memorizing information and they had better impulse control. it's believed the video games could help children become better problem solvers. but for now, the american academy of pediatrics recommends limiting gaming to fewer than 2 hours a day. this week is saving senior dogs weekend. this year. the event is kind of gaining momentum across the country. kron four's ken wayne tells us all started at a senior dog sanctuary in sonoma county. >> they're made to creature saha truly amazing creatures cry calais. maine runs lily senior dog sanctuary in petaluma. >> of the countless animal shelters and rescues across the country. only a small fraction focus on senior dogs is not clear exactly how many senior dog rescues or are in the country. but i don't think they're more than 50 probably 50 55. 32 of them are part of the newly formed group saving senior dogs usa. the goal rescue the dogs. others gave up on and they deserve a good thing. they don't they don't deserve to end up in a shelter or >> alone on the street, you know, being neglected. >> maine says you don't have to worry about chewing are training with older dogs, she says are much calmer and even grateful to have a new home. the gravity just pours out of and they're easy dogs. they fit into a family easily. for the most part, you have very little behavior problems you have to train from. she says older dogs are quick to adapt to new surroundings. and yes, you can teach an old dog. oh, yes, you absolutely. they're not. they haven't given up there. >> their brains and we've talked a lot of old dogs. new tricks. so they adapt, they adapt very readily. yes, they're so grateful. they're so thankful. an added plus, bringing an older dog into the family helps children learn how to treat seniors. one of the things that's really interesting about the young families is that they say what a good role model it is for their kids. >> to learn 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obama and time honored phrase could be about on snatch defeat from the jawzs of victory, things not looking so good for the president in negotiations over the fifth most actively traded issue. over the fifth -- fifth call cliff. that seem yesterday to be making progress, demanding that congress raise taxes while threatening to veto a bill that would keep current tax rates in place for 99% of the country, the president further demanding that washington go his way or no way at all, president obama seems to be on his way to perhaps becoming the imperious president. >> i've asked the vice president to lead an effort that includes members of my cabinet and outside organization to come up with concrete proposals no later than january that i will push without delay. this is not some washington commission, that is not something where folks will be studying the issue for 6 months and publishing a respect -- report that gets read then pushed aside. lou: you will notice that president did not call for concrete proposals on mental health care opublic school security, or any of the other issues at issue in the connecticut shooting last week. at that same pros conference where he demanded gun control proposal, president blasting speaker of the house john boehner or only wants to raise taxes on millionaires. >> if you look at what the speaker has proposed, he has conceded that income tax rates should go up, right now he only wants them to go up for millionaires, if you make 900,000, he thinks you can't afford to pay more in taxes, but principal that rating are going up he has conceded. lou: you recall that president obama spent much of the past year, or year and a half, calling for higher taxes on millionaires and billion airs, the concessions that president referred to, leaving to more demands on the part of the president rather than a deal, congresswoman diane black is a member of the budget committee and joining us, and alter lapert is joining us and white wash over who is responsible for the benghazi terrorist attack continues in a brand-new, allegedl,ed inde independent re, sponsored by the state department. president obama today, said after last week's tragedy in connecticut, he made the connection to say that country is now ready for compromise on the fiscal cliff. fox news chief white house correspondent ed henry with our report. >> reporter: as the announced vice president biden will spearhead ponc strong to mass shooting in connecticut, president obama of hit by questions about the fiscal cliff. >> if this past week has done anything it should give us perspective. >> reporter: at least twice he used gun tragedy and superstorm sandy to sell his budget plan. >> you think about what we've gone through last couple of months, a devastating hurricane, now, one of the worst tragedies in our memory, the country deserves folks doing will to be compromise on behalf of the greater good. >> reporter: in private, just minutes before the president's top aide charre that budget talks are coming apart and pointed the finger at boehner, and saying his plans for plan b have shut down negotiation for plan a, a deficit deal that president tried to tell public it should not be about him. >> they keep minding ways to say no. i don't know how much of that just has to do with, you know, it is hard for them to say yes to me. >> reporter: that was shortly after the had th president suggt was about him, and his winning reelection message about taxing the rich. >> we have a extensive debate about this for a year, not only does the majority of american people agree with me but half of republican voters. >> reporter: boehner responded. >> tomorrow the house will pass legislation to make permanent tax relief for nearly every american, 99.81% of the american people. the president will have a decision to make. he can call on senate democrats to pass that bill, or he can be responsible for the largest tax increase in american history. >> reporter: boehner faces a big problem with his plan that would raise tax rates only on incomes above a million dollars it is not clear he could get most of his conference to support any tax hike. >> i think what we saw here is a act of desperation. >> reporter: the president hesitated when asked if he trusted boehner to sell a final deal to conservatives. >> sometimes, they may not see an intensive in cooperating with me in part because they are more concerned about challenges from a tea party candidate. >> reporter: two hours later, a group of conservatives excoriated boehner and had a warning for republicans who support his plan. >> my answer is about putting primary challenges is yes, if the republicans support this tax increase, they will loss control of the house. in the 2414 elections. >> reporter: charging that boehner is missing the point that the real problem is spending. >> everything has been a step backwards for the republican party, it has been a piecemeal surrender. >> reporter: at a meeting late this afternoon, treasury secretary geithner, told them that boehner's plans have no spending cut or major entitlement reform, and they warn there will be mayor market turmoil unless there is a big dial cut in the next few day, lou. lou: thank you, ed henry, chief white house correspondent. the there is a meeting tonight at the white house. our first guest tonight said that president's behavior since the election appears to prove he wants america to go over that fiscal cliff, joining us now congresswoman diane black, thank you. this -- let's begin if we may, with the speaker in a 56-second long news conference, saying, you know this is not going to work, we're going to have a vote tomorrow, and you all are going to decide whether it passes, and the president can decide what he is going to do, that sounds kurt, specific and final, is that a correct impression? >> thank you, lou forking what me -- for having me, it's always good to be with you, you are hearing from speaker boehner is a great deal of frustration. we've been willing to go to the table and talk with this president but he continues to move the goal post, during the campaign he said he wanted to tax millionaires and billionaires, then came back and said $250,000, which is the small businesses, that would hurt the small businesses and those working for those small businesses, 700,000 jobs loss. and then campaign 3 cuts for every $ 1 of revenue now $1.6 trillion world of spending in that another spending on a stimulus package that did not work the first time. he keeps moving the goal post. lou: let me lot our audience know right now in president's proposal 1.3 in tax hikes, and about 850 billion in spending cuts. and depending how you want to do the math. not quite speaker boehner said, a balanced approach, and much smaller than anything that had been discussed on the spending reduction side throughout the campaign or these negotiation. >> we keep on -- again, hearing him move the ball down the court, and move the goal post, what was real discouraging for me is what secretary geithner about two weeks ago, said, oh, yeah, let's go off the cliff, i am beginning tning to believe ts where they wanted to be where they begin with, so they could have over $4.7 trillion worth of new revenue. lou: i think you make a very good point, and i think a lot of people would be surprised that you or any else on the republican side, would not take the treasury secretary at his water, suggestions we go over the cliff. you know surely he had not a capreccous mediocre line who sawlwould say things lightly, te him at his word. >> i have been saying this since the day that i saw secretary greater in with that flip ant attitude, say, yeah we can go off the cliff, and it's okay. but these are hard-working taxpayers we're talking about, we're talking about taking more money out of the economy and giving it to the federal develop, we already have a spending problem here in washington, i don't top give them -- i don't want to give them any more of the taxpayer dollars, we have to look at end of the year when tax cuts expire this will be largest tax increase in history of the nation. lou: congresswoman black, we know, after watching the fiscal cliff negotiations, we know what the risks are and likely consequences and implications are, but what we do not wasn't is how for example, you will vote tomorrow on plan b, how many in our caucus will support plan expect b, and whether or ne president will get the opportunity to decide to raise taxes as he put it over the course of the year on millionaires and billionaires, he seems unsatisfied with that but your thoughts ? >> i'm not -- i don't know that the vote count is, but the plan has been out for over 24 hours, we're still looking at it to and all parts it it we hearing from your constituents, my role is to make sure protection the hard working taxpayer, i want to protect as many as i can. lou: then you have to vote for it. >> that is what we have to do at the the day we have to put a vote in there and pass it over to senate, who knowsa what senate will do. lou: reed -- as you know reed said he is not going to do it president said he will veto it, but i have to say you to, i have to say you to republicans will either have the backbone and prince pehl to do precisely what their leader their speaker has said do, and congress centss will rest -- consequencessing rest, the last person to act and last person to exercise the decision is the one with the responsibility, in this instance it will be the president. >> lou, it is my responsibility being sent by my constituents and given hon tor serve to make sure i protect them as much as a come and that is really what i will do, we know that raises taxes, especially when the economy is so difficult. and we could potentially go into another reaction, lose more jobs, see a decrease in the aim of revenue, by the way, talking about a spending problem we had in dc we're in a revenue situation up to historical average, and almost back to 18% of gdp and our revenue collection that tells you we have a spending problem here in in town. lou: there has never been doubt here. and we are keenly aware that your constituents sent the ight 57 to represent them, congresswoman diane black thank you. >> thank you, lou. lou: we'll have much more on the stalemate, the impa, the obama-boehner standoff, and the country's thrift for leadership on these issues, budgets, taxation, economic growth,. here tonight. >> finally official report on benghazi, and it is a white wash. >>murder of four americans, including the killing of our ambassador in benghazi, formally no one's fault, the stonewalling goes on. ambassador john boldon and jude iljudith miller among our gifts. >> suddenly fiscal cliff is looking steeper and closer. noted economist arthur lapert joins us to tell us how this game plays out. lou: negotiations over the fiscal cliff are getting tense and nasty the part of the president in one reference today, those negotiations still continuing despite the unpleasant ness, if you we'll, and we'll be covering that with art ouart baronnure lapre. and we have two days of 99 giving up 11 today, and volume on the big board approaching 4 billion shares. general motors stock up, news that general motors and the american taxpayer is breaking up their relationship. buying back shares. that is still above today's closing price, we'll see whether or not the remaining shares are traded in the open market, under the most optimistic possibilities, taxpayers will lose money on the gm deal. as expected. >> news that investment bank of ubs agrowed to pay a fine, and hit with criminal wire fraud charges in japan not affecting the stock, crude oil prices jumping sharply, a further dip in gasoline prices, maybe threatened now, crude oil up just above $89 a barrel in treasury margaret, government's 10 year declining for the first time in three sessions, closing at 1.80%. >> ratings gage fitch warning that fiscal cliff poses the single biggest near-term threat to the glomy. really? joining us now alter lapre, good to have you with us. start with these negotiation that got personal, there seems to be -- what looked like a bright possibility yesterday looks like a dark prospect tod today. >> it does, i don't know where the president is going the way he is, the worse group to raise taxes are is on the high evelyn come earnings, they are job creators, you can't laugh jobs and -- love jobs and hate job creators, i am not sure why it is not clear as a bell, these are people, you are not going to get money from anyway, if you raise rates they will go around it. boehner is doing as good a job that i can imagine, live that interview with diane black, she world class, and let it fall on to obama's thing to veto the bill, i dare him. lou: as you dare him. and rest of us humble mortals s hope they can come to their senses and craft a deal. >> i would love that to be honest. lou: the deal takes a shape. sequestration is not even in the discussion. i frankly, as a matter of simple pride, do not understand how speaker boehner has not said in the sweetest and respectful tone, go to hell, this president is act emperrialy not presidential. >> boehner represents 235 republicans in the house, and maybe some democrats, he has a whole set of constituents with their own opinion, he cannot go changing his mine. so, the president is taunting boehner. and it is too bad because, the americaninterest is at stake, we really do need a deal, and specifically not to raise taxes on anyone. you don't tax the economy into prosperity. lou: i got you on taxes, on the record, and i seed to you're view, but i happen to be, if you will pragmatic in this sense. i don't think that a tax on million ars is the end of time. >> it is not. lou: and fact is that it is an important policy choice we're go to make on sequestration, the ratio spending cuts, 2 to 1 over tax increases. that is a better deal, you made a career of discussing incentives and consequences, it is the best prospect for the republicans. they there are incentivized to say over the cliff. >> i think that the republicans do not really want to go over the cliff. i think it would be better for the americans and countries than to go over the cliff. lou: we got you on the record supporting higher taxes. >> oh, uyou do not. you know i support getting something done by extends tax cuts. you know president is the president after all. and -- >> he a president for crying out loud, not an emperor, i find this amazing, what in the world, who did we exhault. >> you are right, what a difference between this man, and my president ronald reagan, what a difference, 86 tax act, rating lowers,. lou: i remember a tax increase in there too. >> cap gains tax increase you are right. lou: artur laffer always g goodo talk with you. >> thank you. lou: up next an independent panel blames state department failures in benghazi on -- >> we take that up next. >> a motive in sandy hook shooting tragedy has emerged. putting mental health in the spotlight. dr. gail salt will join us next. lou: three state department officials have resigned in the wake of a damning new report on the state state department's handling of the benghazi terrorist attacks. an independent panel, including management, lead to a lack of security at the consulate consulate and the murder of four americans, including u.s. ambassador christopher stevens. chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge is in washington, and she has a closer look at the findings. >> at 39 page unclassified report into the benghazi terrorist attack is dating. within hours of its release, three state department officials, including this woman and her boss resigned under pressure as investigators laid the blame upon secretary holick hillary clinton. >> the decision-making takes place. reporter: the report offers conclusions and undeniable facts. among them that there was no demonstration prior to the assault. al qaeda and its franchises are not dead and they found a new safe haven in eastern libya. that led to the deaths of four americans, including ambassador chris stevens. >> i think the conclusion is not intended on it. mistakes were made, lives were lost. lessons need to be learned. reporter: in the summer of 2012, the report documents at least 20 security related security-related incidents in gaza, including the assassination attempt on thh matter. the state department continues to rely on the libyan militia security contractors. neither provided meaningful defense. the reports state it was ambassador stevens report to travel to benghazi on 9/11. his status as a leading government advocate on libyan policy and his expertise on benghazi in particular cost washington to give unusual deference to his judgment. as to the loss of military response, the report claimed that the system worked. >> or something recently was not enough time for u.s. military forces to have made a difference. >> administration officials emphasized clinton's letters to congress, where she accepted all 29 reports. there was no denying culpability. republicans renew calls for clinton to appear on capitol hill. >> i do think it's imperative for all concerned that she testified in open session prior to any changing of the regime. i think that is very important for her. i think it's very important for our country. reporter: today, fox news told secretary clinton that she has agreed to testify on capitol hill before january in the testimony. she can only explain why the obama administration favored this in libya as a documented threat from al qaeda and tomorrow, two of clinton's people will testify in her stead. lou: catherine herridge, thank you very much. this report, as you say, that decision at the level of the department, the secretary. >> that is the key piece that's missing. lou: making it clear they wanted to keep it at the assistant secretary level. >> we also don't know why it was that the events in that situation on 9/11 have not been made clear in a very transparent way. only secretary clinton can talk about this and administration policy in the small footprint, which really was undercut by the folks on the ground. also, what were the real decisions that she made and the president made in response to that attack. one final note. admiral mullen said that the system worked, but they couldn't get there in time. in fact, almost four hours, the ambassador was missing that evening, and they were looking at a potential hostage situation, and they did not act. lou: catherine herridge, thank you very much. chief intelligence correspondent for fox news. much more on what appears to be the benghazi whitewash coming up here next. >> president obama today made the fiscal cliff negotiation personal. a not so nice. to paraphrase the president, it is all about him. is there hope for a deal, or should we brace for the fall? the 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>> we don't know if it named any names like ttree people who was resigned today, but i can tell you that we had a lot of jobs that the state department posted. when someone is going to take ake.fall of the department, that i can't tell you, they can't read this report are not included the secretary of state and the top people were either completely asleep at the switch were utterly unaware of what was going on in libya and the broader middle east. or maybe some commendation of both. lou: i want to challenge you both, if i may. out of deepest respect. i am fond of you both. but i didn't learn a single new thing in this report that i haven't already been a fan of. frankly i am stunned to see that there is no naming of individuals responsible. there is a failure here to talk about the video. the real-time video from of the facility and from the jonah was in the air within two hours of the event. i am stunned to see that there is a whitewash of a decision making but refused to send u.s. forces to defend benghazi and the missing ambassador. i am stunned at those omissions. >> well, i think that there wasn't enough time to have added military support for those people who were trapped at the annex, as opposed to the consulate. but i think that you are right about this. all of the questions or many of the questions that you and others on fox news have been asking were not answered by this report. what i found personally depressing about this report was the repetition of failures that we have seen since the marine compound bombing in lebanon in 1983. how much time does it take for the state department and the u.s. government learned that you need arabic speakers on the ground? or that you need added security cameras on the ground. for that you need enough people to protect your people on the ground. we have gone over this again and again. the state department doesn't seem to learn it, and that is where i think larry clinton is going to have a problem spewing ambassador bolton? >> when they talk about systemic failure, you have to say who is in charge of the system. the system, the captain of the state is the secretary of state. maybe they didn't want to say that, and maybe a panel didn't mean to say that. that is the inescapable conclusion of that lonn litany of failures. and i think that while the scope of this report is very limited, it lays a basis for congress to go forward. i think that we shouldn't link at the clear and sharp, unambiguous statement. there was no demonstration in benghazi. they knew from the get-go that this was a terrorist attack. lou: you can cut this any number of ways that you want to in this administration. the american people were lied to. they were like two from the outset of this tragedy. these terrorist attacks are still being lied about whether directly or a mission, as far as i am personally concerned. ambassador, i want to interject something to you. if i may. there is a phrase of the week on this broadcast. thing the state department on tuesday dismissed john bolton's assertion that secretary of state hillary clinton have faked an injury and illness about the libyan terrorist attack. here's what ambassador bolton said. every foreign service officer in every foreign minister in the world knows the phrase when you don't want to go to a meeting or conference or an event, you have a diplomatic illness. this is a diplomatic illness. thank you both for being here. ambassador bolton, thank you. tomorrrw, jon barrasso joins us and will be lovely, jeffrey garter, two of the best psychologists in the nation will be with us. and time magazine maxim magazine of the year and we will come right back. lou: just about everybody's down stance on gun control following the newtown, connecticut, school massacre. a new rasmussen poll showing our mental health system should have changes as well. 40% say that mental health treatment would do more to prevent mass murders than gun control. 27% say stricter gun-control laws. joining us now is doctor gail saltz. good to have you with us. >> thank you for having me. lou: as i said earlier in the broadcast, gun-control proposals on the president's desk by next month. but not imperiously ordering studies on mental health, school security. i mean, this is simplistic and reflexive and single-minded. what is your reaction to the role of mental health in these tragedies as the president noted, far too quickly? >> it is a piece of the puzzle. i would love to say that it is a complex puzzle. and i do think that looking at gun-control is going to be enforced be one if i may say, what i find interesting is everyone has a view of this thing. and they can't help but bring that forward as you just did with gun-control. >> the reason i say that -- lou: your personal opinion is important. but i wanted to focus on mental health, because it's one of the areas that is being ignored. >> what i'm saying is that most of these crimes are not committed by people with serious mental illness. i think that's important to know. most of these are not seriously mentally ill people. they are angry, disenfranchised. people who want to take revenge to fill that others are to blame. that being said, i am delighted that the country is willing to take a look at the facts that one out of every 70 people have a serious mental illness. one out of every 70 people had a mental illness. lou: yes two sometime in your life, less than a third of those common come in for treatment. less than a third. and we can't take the finances of the situation. less than 10% of our health care dollars health care dollars are spent on mental health care. lou: by the lake in the and the states have reduced their spending on mental health care by $1.7 billion as a result of this recession. >> at the bottom of the barrel. lou: the other aspect is that it is far more difficult to find psychological health than it is to find a doctor or dentist, and that is just a fact. >> yes, it. lou: the reality is that if we don't understand that we have people that are ill enough to be attacking, you know, i will defer to your discipline and your mastery. the young man commits these crimes, if a young man goes to the school and gun down 20 students -- six adults -- that is pretty much evidence of a serious mental disorder. would you agree? >> i can't say that. lou: but you can say that it wasn't. is that correct? >> i cannot say that. he could've been very mentally ill. lou: in your profession -- [talking over each other] the attestation rather than the clarity is asserting. >> you know, it is frustrating. it is trusting for me as well. lou: let's cut to the chase. lou: let me ask you another question the legal delays and this woman, i mean, can you imagine how she felt? she knew that she was losing her son. [talking over each other] [talking over each other] lou: there was great emotional turmoil on her part as she witnessed what was happening to her son. she can't get the legal profession to help her. she can't get the mental health professionals to help her. >> there are many things that might intervene in some of these kinds of cases. people are still ashamed in 2012. and they don't bring their family member or themselves into treatment. there many parts of the country were there or not practitioners and those things all -- lou: but they have to grow up and start talking straight in helping patients and start understanding stigma -- you have to help people. >> you can't help a person won't commend. lou: you can't tell the person that hides behind professional standards that are completely incomprehensible, and a legal system that will not permit action to help families and individuals of a community. >> i agree that the mental health profession needs help in changing some of the laws so that there is a balance between this and getting care. we don't want to take away the civil liberties by committing that inappropriately you and your profession needs to focus on one thing. care for the patient. and care for the families of that patient in the community are met absolutely. the rest is politics. lou: you get the last word. >> we need some help with the politics and finances. that is what limits us. >> b1 it is great to see you again. thank you. lou: up next, president obama blames the fiscal cliff impasse on himself in a kind of interesting perverse way. john boehner holds one of the press conferences that is the fastest on record. i hope he set a standard for the political class. doug schoen, nina easton, and michael ramirez. all coming up next. man: we are rolling. all right, mama's gonna bring it home, mama's gonna bring it home. oh, no! man: oh, mom! aah! announcer: challenge your kids to be active and eat healthy. all right, let's see what you can do. let's go. announcer: search "we can" for ideas on how to get healthy together. you know how painful heartburn can be. for fast, long lasting relief, use doctor recommended gaviscon®. only gaviscon® forms a protective barrier that helps block stomach acid from splashing up- relieving the pain quickly. try fast, long lasting gaviscon®. lou: joining us now it the a-team. political analyst doug schoan. and michael ramirez, a new title? we'll talk with michael about, that "fortune" magazine columnist nina easton. let's start with, i don't know if you saw my discussion with dr. saltz but we're talking about mental illness, in this country as if we're in the middle ages, am i wrong? >> yes, you have to go back really i think the aclu on this question, and big problem in my mind and a lot of people's mine you cannot commit an adult even, you cannot commit an adult even if that person is threatening until they actually committed a crime or done something violent. that say problem -- that is a problem. there are a lot of people in this country that need serious attention before violence strikes. lou: 20% of us needing health at some point, in the course of a year. >> his this in my family for a number of generations, of course, this fellow was mentally ill. it is clear, and clear that unless we get treatment for mental health we'll have more tragedies. lou: michael, response of our policymakers in washington, is to talk about gun control, not public school safety or security or mental illness or what we're doing to ourselves in our society when it comes to violence. >> the people react mostly to these events. it is understandable but put it in perspective in last 30 years, 4543 people have been kill -- 543 people have been killed in the mass shootings, there are about 18 a year, we need a proper solution. a ruling that allowed insane team to be their own judge whether or not they are put in mental institutions, we saw it in the case of norway that person who had the mental problems and a great health system, they could not prevent ha the shooting there either. neil: we're short on time, i will turn to fiscal cliff. another mind numbing and perhaps a demonstration of issue we're@ talking about, the from the saying he will veto, harry reid saying that plan bee -- bwill not pass, and john boehner said it is plan b or the highway this time mr. president because we've had it, thig my words. >> i need to add we have to do something about semiautomatic weapons. weapon. lou: i appreciate that, i am on time. >> on phys cal fiscal cliff. i think that president up appropriately tried to tie this to mass murder, saying because of that, you have to come to my terms, and agree to my terms, the republicans have given a lot, and -- president. lou: what do you think? >> at the end of the day, i believe there will be an agreement, it will be small bore. >> i agree with 1 13 nina, we'll comeback after christmas. it will avoid worse impact of fiscal cliff and sequestration but it will not solve the problem. lou: in time to prevent turmoil in the market? >> it will cause more turmoil, we're not taking about tax increase on investment here, 3.8