the white house is billing the event as the largest gathering of african leaders ever in washington. a second american missionary affected with ebola is setbrants week are the only ebola patients ever treated in the u.s. ramping up for a potential presidential run, senator rand paul will continue his brief through iowa today. that does it for "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. stick around. ♪ join us in an effort to restore confidence, dignity and decorum to this institution. >> former white house press secretary james brady died today at the age of 73. >> only 69 days after ronald reagan took office. >> one bullet striking reagan in the chest. another penetrating brady's skull. >> the tragedy turned brady's wife sarah and eventually brady
himself into advocates for gun control. >> what may be an emerging genocide. shiite men are herded together and executed in mass graves. >> news about the experimental drug used to treat that american doctor infected now back here in the united states. >> a doctor in liberia describes it as miraculous. >> these two americans may save a lot of lives. >> by her suffering in this, she may be able to help countless more. >> a patient came to mt. sinai's emergency room with symptoms of fever. >> doctors now awaiting the results of tests on a man at a major manhattan hospital. >> given the amount of travel, it wouldn't be entirely surprising if there would be a case that would show up here in the u.s. >> today's temporary cease-fire was a chance for gazans to bury some of those killed. >> but minutes after the israeli initiated truce began, a missile hit a house in gaza city. >> there's nowhere here.
>> israeli will honor the cease-fire and will be watching to see if hamas does too. good morning! welcome to "morning joe." it's tuesday, august 5th. a lot to talk about today. with us on set to help us do that msnbc contributor mike barnicle and former communications director for george w. bush. where is the sarah palin line in there? >> i think it got edited out. it disappears. >> who would edit that out? that would be the top thing. joe scarborough, sarah palin, what were you, sarah palin? communications director? >> tutor. >> do not say that! that is condescending. >> i think on campaigns oftentimes your staff takes on a role getting you ready. >> just a lot of different things. >> like you are for barnicle here. >> i was a staffer. >> he also helps with the clothing and it's working very well. >> thank you. >> also, we have, mike, this is impressive. the chairman of deutsche, inc.
>> i'm so xoited. >> how many chairmans do you have here? >> how many are on the board? >> my mother. >> before we get started -- >> no, no, no. >> you're wearing a bracelet. i know it's your show but you're wearing a bracelet. >> i paid for this microphone, mr. green. yeah. i wear it all the time. >> i've never seen that. >> you got the things undone? little donny deutsche going on! >> no! not even close to donny deutsche. you've got like pimp my ride like beads there and s&m. >> i can't believe we are going here already. are we going here? >> they all have children meaning. >> sensitive. >> it's all children's stuff. are we going to show my instagrams tonight? >> women see the bracelets and they know that donny cares.
>> thank you. >> and then they go on his instagram account and they know he is one -- >> i haven't seen his instagram. >> and my dogs and puppies are children. >> one on your account was so bad we couldn't show you had your two little girls right below your pecs. it was disgusting. we are going to have to raise the level. >> i agree. >> we have somebody else here, right? somebody else? >> there must be! >> in washington, staff writer with "the hill" we want to apologize, elise. >> no problem. >> here is the good news, elise. you had to sit through all of that. that is the bad news. the good news is you don't have to sit on set with donny deutch. >> it just means i can't see the bracelets, joe. i can't see them. >> oh, my gosh. >> the technology of television. here they are. >> oh, there they are. >> james brady, yesterday, he passed away. >> a great man.
>> great man. >> courageous man. >> obviously, somebody who stayed very close to the reagans throughout his life. >> a courageous man, a great man. obviously, everyone knows what happened to james brady. shot, nearly killed, in an assassination attempt on ronald reagan, and spent the rest of his life, he and his wife, forming a committee, the brady group that still, today, and has for a long, long time, promoted gun safety. never gave up, he never gave in. >> sarah brady has been also real fighter for the cause for sometime. actually ronald reagan played a very big role, you know? in 1994, they actually had great influence over ron and nancy reagan to get ronald reagan on the phone and make those calls, nicole, when they were trying to pass assault weapon ban but for ronald reagan that would never passed. the brady name also bore his
name. you know, he really did have a huge impact and is a great example of taking what happens. we had a friend of mine on last week, bob bell got paralyzed his freshman year and he had to decide what am i going to do with my life? that's what james brady did and he made a great difference. >> the debate is sorely going to miss him. one of the ugly terrains in the american debate and the bradys have elevated it. they have made it more bipartisan and made it more meaningful and i think they have helped quiet some of the more shrill voices in the debate. the debate over gun safety in this country will be less without them in it. >> no doubt about it. obviously, though, sarah brady will, obviously, continue. >> of course. >> andrea mitchell who, obviously, knew the bradys, looks back on his life. >> reporter: only 69 days after ronald reagan took office.
>> shots were fired at president reagan in washington. >> reporter: six shots were fired. the first meant for the president exploded in the head of the white house press secretary james brady. brady had always been known as "the bear." big, irreverent even at his boss's expense. when president reagan said trus produced pollution by carbon monoxide, brady joked about killer trees. above all, brady was trusted. >> i wouldn't tell you something if it wasn't the truth. >> reporter: after he was shot brady fought for his loiven and struggled to speak and to walk. the reagans insisted he keep the title of press secretary and renamed the briefing room in his honor. >> i hope this room is always filled as much integrity and good humor as jim brady has brought to it. >> reporter: nancy reagan joked about reports he gave her the job because he wasn't good looking. >> i keep giving jim my y&h.
>> reporter: jim and sarah brady worked against gun violence. the assault weapons ban lasted ten years until congress let it lapse. after gaby gifford was shot, jim brady again speaking out. >> he is still just as funny. that's a wonderful word. >> funny looking. >> reporter: his neurosurgeon remembers that fateful day. >> to me his greatest achievement was saving the life of the president of the united states. he walked right in the line of fire. >> reporter: jim brady lived for another 33 years and valiant to the end. >> he certainly was and jim brady was 73 years old. we continue now on with news on the ebola virus with another possible scare. the united states latest in new york city. officials are now awaiting test results from a man who showed up at manhattan's mt. sinai hospital yesterday after returning from west africa with symptoms associated with the virus. fever and gastrointestinal
problems. officials don't know whether the man has the disease, but say he is being isolated out of an abundance of caution. hospital officials stress the virus is transmitted only through bodily fluids and not through casual contact. you have, obviously, the newspapers in the tabloids in the city certainly talking about the ebola scare in new york. from new york to atlanta. atlanta hospital is awaiting the arrival of a second american who is infected while working in west africa. a plane carrying u.s. missionary nancy writebol left early in the morning and expected to arrive later today. one doctor, a decorated air force colonel and surgeon, says while he trusts doctors at emery emory hospital, it was foolish
to bring ebola patients to the united states. >> they could have taken the medical equipment and the experimental serum to africa and treat the patients this rather than bring the patients here and in fact, the continental united states even though the risk is minuscule. >> elise, tell us about this. >> it's an interesting interesting, joe. obviously, you see those headlines. i think what the public does not necessarily understand about this virus, even if there isn't a major danger of epidemic here in the united states or a major outbreak, by transferring a patient to u.s. soil, you create a pathway where ebola could ultimately reemerge again. it's minuscule as the doctor said, the risk is very, very small, but i think that is something that has gone unroverted about thu unreported about this outbreak. the last time we saw ebola only
in one region in western africa and probably to make it to more country's by week's end. by creating those pathways the risk arises not only to americans, but people around the world. >> elise, do we know what mode of transportation this patient is being flown to the united states with? is it a military plane, a charter flight? it's certainly not a commercial flight, is it? >> it's an evac plane going i believe, to liberia and arrive in atlanta today and she will be brought back and apparently she is doing very well because the two american aid workers who were infected were brought a ground breaking serum has that produced great results. we know that isn't something available to most people with ebola in west africa and raising ethical questions there. it's likely these two are going to survive which is pretty incredible i'd say. >> it's important to notice the between this and sars. this is not something somebody can get breathing in the air.
>> that's right. >> it has to be bodily fluids so it is something we have to be concerned about but it is not the same level of exposure just for the average person walking around. >> no, it's not. it's important for people in new york city waking up and seeing the papers and hear about this man who may or may not have ebola. health officials think he probably doesn't but people are thinking i rode the subway with this guy. you won't go to ebola what the cdc tells me. i interviewed all of the officials there. apparently people who are getting are health workers or people involved with the bury rituals in north africa. it's not like somebody could cough on you and you would get ebola. >> let's move on to more news out of new york. this is, oh, man, this is bad news. bad news, mike. two police unions today are holding events in new york city to show support for the officer who is linked to the death of a staten island make any
difference who was put under an apparent chuokehold. eric garden ner said he could n breathe. any results is in the staten island district attorney general. they are calling for the justice department to investigate with some noticing historically strong support for the nypd in staten island and that could impact the case. this is one of the things, mike, you hate to see, obviously. the supporters of the police at the same time. you look what happened on videotape. it appears from, like, it was just such an openly excessive use of force. now that it's been ruled a homicide, there's some tough decisions that are going to have to be made. >> it's the first big test for
bi bill de blasio. the cops have been identified. obviously, the medical examiner has ruled its death by homicide. >> by the way, this guy is in a choke hold because he is selling untaxed cigarettes. >> yeah. >> untaxed cigarettes. look. untaxed cigarettes. >> and all he is doing is talking to them. >> and asking -- >> right. >> there was nothing physical happening. so i think this is a test -- >> broken windows? >> well, i think that everyone -- i think there is a republican instinct to stand up for and always take the side of law enforcement because they have one of the most difficult jobs around. but i think -- >> and traditionally conservatives have stood up for police officers. >> firefighters. >> firefighters, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera. and there are some on the far
left have not. let's just put it that way. >> this video, to me, i think, is a real test for whether what we all can see plainly with our eyes is going to be reflected in the outcome and in the policy, because i think anyone watching and if you're still forming your opinions about law enforcement and you see that someone gets away with that where this was unprovoked violence against someone. the original sin was selling cigarettes. >> yeah. unbelievable. the question is again you have to ask -- what if it were your son? >> right. your husband, your father. >> what if it were your father. >> and you could not talk to law enforcement. >> that was killed and not allowed to ask a question. i'm sorry. this is pretty -- unless something else comes out based on the video, this is pretty clean-cut and we have to say it's pretty clean-cut. yes we stand and salute the nypd and always support them whenever we can but when something is this clean-cut, you know what? it's not enough to say they are a cop and it's okay.
it's not okay if there is was nothing more to that. and sometimes there is more than meets the eye. i haven't heard it yet. i'm certainly waiting to hear it. >> let me be the liberal who actually supports law enforcement. my grandfather was actually a cop. obviously, that speaks for itself, but whether it's doctors, lawyers, baseball players, advertise executives, journalist, there are going to be some low lives in every profession. >> understood. >> the question is what do you do with the low lives? >> you prosecute them. >> that's where i think this becomes interesting and maybe troubling. the instinct is to rally around your fellow police officer but i don't know that you want this guy's actions to speak for the entire department. >> they need to get more information out. >> there is an investigation. >> they need to do the investigation. we need to get all of the information out there. but to blindly support a guy who did this choke-hold on this guy for selling untaxed cigarettes.
>> it looks bad. >> it looks really, really bad. speaking of looking really bad, let's go to the middle east. after four weeks, there are renewed hopes at least, how long is a cease-fire going to effect? >> five hours. >> yeah, five hours and see how long that lasts. there are hopes to end the latest round of just horrific violence between israeli and hamas. overnight, a 72-hour cease-fire went into effect. in the coming days, egypt plans to hold indirect talks with the two sides about a long-term agreement. also overnight, israeli announced all of its troops are out of gaza after destroying the known tunnels used by hamas to launch their attacks against israeli vilcivilians and soldie. they will up force outside of gaza, but warned it will respond to any attacks. let's bring in richard engel who is live in gaza.
richard, so there has been appear bit of peace and quiet for at least a couple of hours. what is the feeling on the ground? is there a chance this peace could hold? >> reporter: there is a hope here that this peace can hold. this feels different than the other cease-fires. we get a sense here in gaza that things are wrapping up. the biggest gomt wdevelopment w israeli troops pulled out of the gaza area and no foot soldiers or tanks on the ground here. in the past, we had cease-fires but they always broke down because hamas fighters and israeli troops who were here in gaza were in such close proximity that fighting almost inevitably broke out and any hope of negotiate settlement quickly evaporated. now we have a structure in place, a structure moderated by egypt and supposed to last for 72 hours while negotiations take place. hamas has said it agrees to it.
israeli has said it agrees to it. delegations are supposed to be meeting indirect. egyptians meeting with them to come up with a deal. for the entire time i've been here, this is the most hopeful moment that we have seen that this war, one month long, could be wrapping up, but the death toll has been quite significant. this has been a terrible war for both sides. 1900 palestinians almost killed. 64 israeli soldiers and 3 israeli civilians. this has been the deadliest of the three recent wars. >> it has been so deadly. and the violence so horrific. of course, you look at those numbers. 1,800 palestinians killed. 64 israeli soldiers killed. three civilians killed in israeli. there was a report in "wall street journal" morning, elise, that the obama administration, the state department finally had
enough after the final explosion at the u.n. compound where more civilians were killed after warnings that it was a u.n. compound. that's when they decided to make their public statement. i'm curious. first of all, what is the reaction been on the hill this week? secondly, if you can, pass the question to richard engel. >> yeah. absolutely. cl capitol hill has been quiet on the hill and they lost for august resaens we have not heard much from them. this is a congress less interested in foreign policy. you just don't see a lot of reaction. and the silence is deafening when you see a death toll like this. it's pretty interesting. we do know that tensions are at an all-time high between the highest ranking officials in the obama administration and, obviously, the government of benjamin netanyahu. my question for richard, i know that some senior obama
administration officials have really taken a beating on the ground in gaza in terms of public opinion and also just around the world. i'm wondering what you hear about what the white house is doing, if anything, on the ground there? >> normally, in gaza and i've covered the last three wars here, you hear a lot of anti-american sentiment, that the united states is supplying weapons to israeli, that the u.s. is backing israeli blindly, that israeli wouldn't be doing this without the u.s. that is the baseline that we have been hearing here for decades really. this time, we heard a lot less of that. instead, we heard more anger directed directly toward israeli for targeting civilian areas and we heard an enormous amount of anger directed at egypt. the egyptian factor probably has been the least understood and the least reported of this entire conflict. i think at the end of the day, what is happening, the reason we are seeing a deal now, is that
hamas finally decided it was going to go to egypt and have to go to egypt and it would deal with general cc who is against the hamas and muslim brotherhood. you want a deal, you have to go through me and kiss the ring and accept i'm here and here to stay. i think hamas finally relented to that and that's why, i think, we are seeing progress now. it was really more about israeli and egypt this time than the united states. >> richard, we realize that you're in gaza city, but in another area of the middle east which you're very familiar with, isis has taken mosul. they have beaten back the kurd. they have taken the mosul dam, which, as you know and reported on in the past, they could flood the entire area almost down to south of baghdad. the kurds seem to be in critical position here against isis. what do you think is the role of
the united states in helping the kurds? >> reporter: well, the kurds -- so just to frame the question herein i think it's an important question so thank you for asking it. i was in baghdad a month ago and seems like a whole liz ago when isis was marching toward baghdad and it looked like the militants were going to take baghdad. the is started sending in more weapons and started accepteding in advisers. the shiite militias started to fight back and isis realized they couldn't take baghdad and couldn't continue their southern march. what did they do? they changed directions and they started going north and west, even to a degree, the east, anywhere else and they started fighting against kurdish militias and they have been having a lot more success fighting with them and taking new territory.
they took new ground in tikrit and mosul and taking that dam. now the u.s. has to realize is it going to arm the kurds? is it going to not just deal with baghdad? is it going to go directly and relate to the kurdish authorities? that opens up the question of the pkk and the pkk is a militant group that is fighting isis which the united states considers a terrorist organization. to arm and help the kurds, the u.s. would have to decide it's going to work with the pkk, which it considers a terrorist group officially, and i think there is a legal problem that is helping -- that is preventing that from happening right now. >> certainly no easy answers there. no more so than where you're standing. richard engel, thank you so much. we appreciate it. still ahead on "morning joe," michael bloomberg and secretary of state of commerce are going to be here ahead of today's inaugural business
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today! >> i don't know what to do. cornucopia of news today, my friends and i really don't know where to go. it's like i'm going out of the supermarket. mike, i have too much in my arms. they are spilling on the ground. there's so much to talk about. >> yesterday, everyone who was left in washington with the congressional recess, they were at mike allen's lunch with david plouffe. the biggest draw ever for david plouffe he is the next white house chief of star or not, mike? what is the deal? >> sure looks like it. you remember david plouffe. >> how could we forget? >> during the hillary contest, he was the button down calm one who complained about the bed wetters around him who were getting worried. he was stead as she goes. then in the white house, the senior adviser. we hear from people very close to the white house that he is most likely to come in as the last chief of staff. denis mcdonough who has been with the president is going back
to the campaign as a national security expert, has been in this job 18 months. it's a burnout job. people figure that around the midterms, he'll probably head out and the david plouffe, someone the president is very comfortable with, someone who knows the obama way, someone who can be there to guide the legacy. he is already on the library board, is most likely to come in. yesterday at the playbook lunch, i asked david about it and it sure sounded like it was a possibility. he said, well, we'd love for denis to stay and turn out the lights on january 20th, 2017, no for that. it would be a way for david plouffe to send out the president that he brought in. >> any other candidates? >> john podesta could do it who is in the white house right now but we think he probably will be heading out to hillary campaign. ron clain could do it and dan
pfeiffer could do it but david plouffe is closer to the president. >> he said he didn't want to make new friends. congratulations. you've made new friends. >> and shake things up when they things are going well enough they don't need to shake it. i like david. >> things going so great, why not bring in people who were complaining, and bed wetters to cease your beliefs and people who don't agree with you 100% of the time. a final two years. i can't wait. >> i can see you love the pick. >> boy, i tell you what, let's just reinforce everything going on the past six years. i can't wait. that is going to make everything work a lot more smoothly in washington. >> can i ask him a question? >> no, you can't. mike allen, thanks. yesterday, mike allen insulted the guys in the board
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>> i can get you six. >> can you really? >> i'm giving up all of mine. >> yankees fans would not be doing this. you would not hear this. >> both teams are bad! >> but yankees are still in it. >> get a full house all weekend long. >> we are talking about fenway, all right? >> seriously. you turn it on any night and they are on the other side of the moat. three people are there. >> because so much culture in new york. late game last night, rays and a's tied in the bottom of the 10th, two out. derek norris sends one up the middle. a game winner? 3-2 win. oakland and detroit, you might see them in the fall. to the capitol. orioles trailing the nats 3-2 in the seventh. baltimore's ryan flaherty, boom. center field wall. boom. >> bong. >> gets it in.
come on! delmonday you delmon new england knocks a pinch-hit run. single to left. brings home the run. baltimore ends the inning. 5-3 lead. that was the game. in the eighth, caleb joseph lines up the middle for another two runs. orioles win 7-3. tigers and yankees scoreless in the third. jacoby ellsbury is up. watch this catch. >> cabrera on the run and still going back. dives and he makes the catch! what a catch by carerra! >> ezekiel carerra over-the-shoulder diving catch. brandon mccarthy gives another solid performance for the yankees and struck out eight and earns the victory. 2-1 yankees. check this on out. justin verlander, great guy. talking to his girlfriend kate upton behind the detroit dugout. >> are they still an item?
>> yes. >> oh, yeah. >> i didn't know they were still an item. >> "the "new york post" "says it's true. >> shut up! >> a picture of the two in "the "new york post"" today. >> t.j., pick a camera! you're bringing three cameras at me! pick a camera! >> i can't go on any more. >> this is really important. you mentioned earlier in the show that there is a picture on instagram with me and my shirt off. hold on. but it's men on instagram. >> do not step on kate upton picture. >> by the way, if i were verlander, i would still be so angry what they did last season to me during the playoffs. yanking him. the tigers should have beaten the sox. >> and karma took care of it, right? >> when jim leyland yanked max scherzer. the big one. he took out max scherzer and ortiz, boom. >> didn't he do that twice?
>> i think he did it in two games. >> the last time he did it, that was it for the tigers. >> those pitchers were lights out for the tigers. they were amazing. >> we missed the los angeles angels playing the los angeles dodgers and i had guarantarrett richardson on my fantasy team. i sat him and he gets 50 points! >> you're not helping me. you didn't hear what i said. >> i did. coming up next, live from -- >> it was important. we have mika's must read opinion pages and coming over the teletype. we will be right back with more "morning joe." don't go away. ♪
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this is not a democracy. we are going to let donny read anything. can i show this one? seriously. we do an instagram shots. this is just repulsive. this is just repulsive. >> little girls are repulsive to you? >> why would you use your daughters that way to show your pecs? >> i am not! >> this is all about you picking up women! i hate you using your children. you know, i used to think it was pathetic when guys -- look at nicole over here. >> i felt bad! >> use dogs to pick up women and you pick up girls! >> i rented those children! >> what happened to the dog? this is a business, donny. we could do this. children and dogs. >> i love children and puppies and i love the sun. >> he loves the sun! stop it! stop it! >> donny, i felt bad when they unveiled the "time" cover and
they are talking about men who have these great physiques into their 90s and it was just like free association. i said, donny is going to be like that! and i felt very bad. >> what concerns me is men going on instagram now and not women. i should be concerned about that, shouldn't i? >> you should take it for whatever it's worth. >> i don't want to! >> dana millbank, he writes this in "the washington post." bob mcdonnell is a loser either way. the legal strategy of bob mcdonnell, even if he wins in court he loses in december during his final days in office the prosecutors offering a deal let his wife off the hook and require him to plead guilty to charges unrelated to his official duties but mcdonnell chose to go to court. had he taken the deal he would look like a sleazy pol.
now he looks like a sleazy pol. i don't know. i'm sorry, nicole. this is "morning joe" so we can actually tell the truth. i hope i don't offend somebody. i'm sorry. his wife looks like the bad actor here. my god! >> this is just a story of the ugliness of the decent grags of >> her playmate? >> her playmate. >> she wants who? >> the vitamin guy. >> this vitamin guy to be her playmate. >> yeah. >> and they went to network and they shopped at fancy boutiques and it appears that he picked up the tab. it's really seedy. >> do you have a question for elise? >> yeah. >> elise, this story, i don't
know about you, but just reading about it, i felt as if it were an invasion of my privacy. >> i agree with that. i agree with that. it's made for the tabloids, right? i do agree that the wife does raise some questions here. remember when everyone rumored him to be the next gop presidential candidate? we would have been on the campaign trail. can you imagine? my favorite revelation in this story was the idea she tried it pitch one of these supplements to the romneys as a way to cure ms. >> oh, my lord. >> she just sounds really out there. i don't know what to say about that. >> i hope the romneys said i hope secret service detail was around them and put a taser to the back of her when she did that. we were just talking before about how bob mcdonnell was a guy -- >> excited about. >> i remember in 2010 with all of these people were going out there, like, setting their hair on fire and saying barack obama is a martian and come into your
house and eat your babies! you're like, let's go with bob mcdonnell's idea instead, bob for jobs and all bob talked about. the economy got better. unemployment went down. >> he was never shrill on the subject. >> he wasn't shrill. he was a socially conservative guy and had everything going for him. but, man, this is some bad news. >> yeah. >> he didn't have a very good partner. >> no. i think i can say that. woo. i'm just going to be quiet about this now. but yeah. >> wow. >> can you not see why he is saying i'm not taking a deal that lets my wife off the hook and charges me! would you do that? >> not knowing what he did, no. >> no one is like he is finding out now or what he has found out now u oh, yeah, she can get off the hook and i will be gout like where did they op? >> oscar de la renta.
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♪ ♪ it's like magic ♪ >> do you want me to go now? can i listen to elo for another five minutes? >> that would be great. >> we will listen to elo for another five minutes. wait. >> pictures of new york city. >> i think it goes well with this little haze and a little fog. >> exactly. >> you're waking up out of the fog from the night before. >> elo, an underrated band from the 1970s, right? ♪ higher and higher baby >> there we go. now we're back. ♪ it's a living thing it's a terrible thing to do ♪ >> back with us on set. >> these guys, i don't know what happened to both of them, chuck, but they are ornery and mean today. >> it's not true. >> talking about cows, did i
like cows. >> with us is nbc news chief white house correspondent and political director and host of "the daily rundown," chuck todd. chuck, we are going to be waited with bated breath. you got a poll coming out later tonight? >> coming out tonight. >> debuts tonight? >> yeah. it's actually checking in and it's a little bit different. how people are viewing the great recession in the rearview mirror. it is fascinating. lately of the political stuff but this was a tough recession to recover from and you do sort of see -- >> if we have recovered. >> people still mentally haven't recovered. >> that is the question. >> they know they see the numbers of recovery. they are still supporting older parents or kids at home and, i mean, you feel -- >> stock market and the real economy, there are two economies. >> what you have in new york and everybody else. >> we people have in new york. that makes me sad. we are going to talk about that
tomorrow. in washington we have nbc news chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of "andrea mitchell reports," andrea mitchell. thank you for being with us. >> you bet. >> pulitzer prize and winning columnist and associate editor for "the washington post," and msnbc political analyst, awe gene robinson. from the hill we have elise vivak still with us. we were talking about james brady last hour and the rest of the country and washington is remember is former press secretary james brady who passed away on monday. he was left partially paralyzed after shot on a presidential assassination attempt on president reagan. he became a fighter for stricter gun control laws. andrea, you covered the white house under reagan. talk to us about the life of jim brady. >> jim brady was irreverent. he was just so funny. he was so smart. he was so trusted.
and really loved by the press corps. which raised some suspicions among some in the reagan camp. nancy reagan had to be won over but became such a huge fan of his. he had a great relationship with the president and only 69 days after the president took office, this horrible assassination which really transformed washington. it, obviously, changed the president, the reagans. they were never the same. nancy reagan was never the same in terms of the way she felt protective and never really had a good night's sleep in the white house ever since ever after that. but for jim brady, it was a devastating wound. i interviewed the neurosurgeon who was in the e.r. and saved his life and said he had never seen this kind of injury. fortunately because he was in the presidential motorcade, jim lived because most people with both lobes -- this was of the six bullets that were fired by john hinckley, the first one hit jim brady and slammed into his
head and it was the only one that -- they were all devastating bullets but the only ones that exploded inside his head. fortunately the bullet that hit the president hit the limo handle and ricocheted into the chest and barely, within an inch, less than an inch, barely missed his heart but that's why ronald reagan was able to recover from a very, very serious injury. but brady's injury was just devastating and the fact he lived for 33 years was a miracle and his spirit kept him going, true grit. >> the work continues with sarah brady and people don't realize, we talked about it before, but jim brady is responsible, in part, for the passing of the brady bill. >> absolutely. >> but also, of course, the influence that the bradys had on the reagans. >> the reagans always stuck by him on this. very interesting. almost out of loyalty. people try to read into the
minds of -- i think this was clearly a loyalty decision. i thought it was neat yesterday. josh earnest, the white house press office, sent out their statement on jim brady from every living white house president. it was classy and well done. it was touching. the right way. they spoke as one about brady. >> what you were referring to just briefly. the fact that jim brady -- we were on the hill when jim brady got -- this was not ronald reagan's position on gun laws. he called in and that was the critical vote on that assault weapons ban. he got reagan out of retirement to make those phone calls. >> he did and it made a big difference. a lot of other things to talk about. andrea mitchell, hopefully, we have a cease-fire deal in the middle east. does it stick? >> the fact is israeli, it believes it has accomplished its purpose with the tunnels and it's withdrawn from gaza so they are not nose-to-nose.
you were talking to richard engel about that an hour or so ago. the fact this is so tenuous and all on egypt and whether hamas will let egypt be the peace broker and there is such a deep dismay in the white house and the state department toward what israeli has done, despite this ironclad alliance which, as you know, has led to 3.2 billion dollars last year alone in aid, mostly military, to israeli from the united states. there's a lot of frustration that this time israeli went too far. >> of course, chuck, you saw the "wall street journal" this morning said the white house, the last attack on the u.n. school was a final straw for the obama administration. they, obviously, sent out a state department spokesperson who basically said enough is enough. >> realistic maybe? >> i got the sense that israeli had no choice to listen.
when the state department is sending out messages as tough as the united nations. >> finally, the president went out there and gave his most supportive statement of israeli since the war began. >> yeah. >> so this was a case, which, of course, netanyahu used to his benefit the next day to basically say, hey, america is standing by us on this and then that happens. it does feel as if, you know, israeli say we accomplished our mission any way. >> let's not forgot that hamas is a terrorist organization and israeli is a democracy. just saying. >> the only democracy. there is only one. >> who disagrees with that? >> nobody, but hamas, you know, obviously, we can go on with this for hours and, obviously, seeing children killed is an atrocity. >> obviously, it is. and seeing it day after day after day after day. >> coming from shields. >> exactly. >> human shields. >> let me ask you this did oosh
-- >> who is to blame? >> hamas is to blame. if your child is being held with a gun to their head do you want the cop to shoot through your child to shoot you? >> they use human shields. somebody is shooting at my children and if that child has to die to save my child. >> it is absolutely abhorrent. the question is if the united nations warns 17 times, 17 times. >> our nation is not living in israeli. >> this is a shelter. so, donny, should this have continued? >> i think israeli accomplished its mission. >> which is what? >> which was to shut down the tunnels and keep israeli safe. hamas wants to obliterate israeli. we forget that is their mission. >> no, none of us forget that. hamas is a terror organization. i've said it. they are our enemy. they want to wipe israeli off the face of the earth. they are a scourge. but hamas is not going to be able to obliterate israeli.
you know why? because hamas is loathed by their own people. before this began, 80% of gazans who were against hamas, egypt is against hamas. >> great they are against it but when they are shooting rockets. >> let me finish my point. saudi arabia is against hamas. the uae is against hamas. >> hamas is not attacking jordan and they are not tacking those people. >> how ziltisolated they are. donny, when you continue to attack and show across the world 5, 6, 7-year-old children dragged out of rubble dead when they are running with their parents to try to hide in a u.n. school, who does that help? who does that help? >> it helps no one but -- >> no. >> a casualty. >> you are incorrect. it is a tragedy, first of all, and do not come close to saying it's collateral damage. >> i didn't say that. >> no, a lot of people call that -- >> the end result is a result of hamas aggressive moves.
>> answer my question. >> okay. >> who is helped when a young -- >> nobody. >> no, that's wrong. >> who is helped? >> hamas is helped. >> oh, yes, of course. well, when you -- i'm literally answering the question. >> israeli plays into hamas' hands. >> tunnels are shut down. >> hamas celebrates when their civilians are killed so what does israeli not do? israeli needs to figure out a way to work with the palestinian authority to minimize hamas' influence. does anybody around this set, does anybody watching on tv, andrea mitchell, i'll ask you. i know it's harder for you to answer, but have you heard anybody suggest that hamas has not been aided over the past three and a half weeks by these attacks, when they were more isolated than ever before? andrea, maybe i should ask you a news question. was hamas more isolated than it's ever been three and a half, four weeks ago and desperate to strike an alliance with the palestinian authority because it had run out of cards to play?
>> hamas was on its back heels. hamas was faltering. there is no question that in the world of public opinion, hamas has been helped by what has happened here, by seeming like a david and goliath. they have gotten world sympathy, especially in europe. >> which is my point. which is why we need to explain what is behind -- that is my exact -- they have done it and that is the shame of this. >> remember, khalid mitchell, the head of hamas, was kicked out of damascus. if netanyahu was a clever politician and comes to the peace deals he really is sort of a -- he worries about his domestic politics above all. this is the time to strike the deal with abbas and abbas alone. >> right. >> you know, just do it. >> exactly. >> and cut out hamas completely out of the loop. give the west bank almost basically, you know, offer up a deal abbas can't refuse if he
completely splits off of hamas. >> he is still brutalized. >> right now -- >> gene robinson -- >> that is the way to do this and quickly cut off world opinion and world criticism. >> it really is. gene, what i think is the most hopeful sign is the fact that richard engel reported you don't hear a lot of anti-americanism on the ground right now in israeli. -- i mean, in gaza. you hear a lot of complaints in gaza about whether it's about hamas or whether it's about egypt or whether it's about israeli. so there actually may be an opening if netanyahu was willing to strike, try to strike a deal with the palestinian authority to actually push hamas off the world stage. >> well, yeah. maybe there is a role the united states can play. here is a question that i think netanyahu should be -- here is what i think he should be concerned about. this war was very popular in israeli, but that popularity has
declined a bit as it has gone on. now he has the question of will people believe -- will israelis believe they got anything out of this war? because if the status quo just obtains now going forth, the next two years, hamas will rearm and there will be more tunnels and be back in the situation. so i think politically just in terms of his political standing that netanyahu really should show israelis that this was not in vain and that would be massive progress with abbas toward a peace deal. >> let hope. leaders from 50 african nations in washington. they will focus on trade investment and african security. the president is set to speak at a business forum tomorrow. according to "the washington post" he is going to announce a
$14 billion investment in africa from u.s. businesses. with us now from washington former new york city mayor and founder of bloomberg philanthropics michael bloomberg. with us also is u.s. commerce secretary penny pritzger. michael, are you ready to go to the middle east and strike this middle east peace deal for us? >> we couldn't hear you. we have a helicopter buzzing. say again? >> i was asking you, mr. mayor, whether you're ready to go to the middle east and strike a middle east peace deal for all of us. >> that's up to the secretary of state and the president. i can go to israeli just to lend support and i did that. >> all right. so why don't you guys tell us what you're involved with here and what kind of impact it's going to have on africa and the united states. >> penny? >> well, today is a really exciting event. we have got over 40 heads of
state coming to our business summit. we have got over a hundred american ceos and a hundred african ceos all coming together to, first of all, talk about how they do more business together. the president is announcing 14 billion worth of deals as you said. why is everyone here? everyone is here because there is real growth opportunity in africa and this is something that the president and the administration, along with bloomberg, want to highlight and get the word out. 6% gdp growth the next ten years is expected in africa and six of the ten fastest growing economies. very exciting. exports super the united states to africa support 250,000 american jobs. americans get up in the morning and go to work because we are selling things to africa. but there's so much more that we could be doing and this is why we are all together. >> i might also point out one of our main economic rivals, china, has been doing this for years
now. they recognize there is a great potential in this day and age, you cannot, if you're a good business person, avoid markets that have a chance of becoming dominant. the african market with 6 hundred million people certainly has that potential and china is going in and we are doing it now. >> mr. mayor, secretary, it seems africa is where southeast was in the late 70s and early '80s. you could feel the momentum. we know that american business wants to be there. but the biggest issue in africa, i think, that probably gives business some discomfort is governance. the idea if they invest in there, there is going to be stability in how some of these countries are run. is that the biggest road block right now between africa totally taking off and where it is today? >> well, i don't think there is any case to be made that if people stay in poverty, government is going to get better. quite the contrary.
when people have the dignity of a job of being self-sufficient, they can get a good education and they can make sure that their government is responsive and there's examples on both sides. we boycotted cuba. they are at poor as they were if not 45 years ago. we started dealing why germany. built up their economy. the east german saw something better and walked in one day and said to the army get out of here and took down the wall. where we have a good economy, you tend to have better government and that is the way we should help each other. it's good for the seller and for the buyer. >> we are seeing many, many -- you're seeing many, many leaders here who want to engage with american business. they see the opportunity. what they like is what american business brings to the table. a commitment to rule of law. transparency. treating the people that work for their companies well. as well as investment in the local communities. so there is a real interest in having us more present. a real enthusiasm how can we
work together? and that is an opportunity for both the african countries, the african people, the american companies and the american people. >> elise is with "the hill." she has a question for you. >> mr. bloomberg, i want to drill down into what you said about china. their investments have been enormous in africa and quite flashy as well. the obama administration said at the end of this summit they are not unveiling anything new and big and flash y. i'm wondering how do you think we can compete with china's investment in africa and do you think the obama administration is making the right move by making sure that this summit ends sort of on a softer note? >> andrea mitchell? >> i think no question that america's strategy has always been to let companies go out and compete and make investments that they thought were in their interests and let that invisible hand that i think was adam smith talked about, create a better world and better economy for everybody. china is a much more controlled
economy. they do things at a government level that we don't do and it's a practical reality today, giving congress unwilling to fund the basically road structure in the united states or pay for things that we really need domestically, it's hard to believe that american congress is going to vote some money to do things overseas. the president has to deal with the hand that has been dealt to him. >> the president is announcing 14 billion worth of deals and not like the united states not present in africa. that is just today and has set up an opportunity for businesses to be working directly with heads of state to figure out where the opportunities are. my conversations over the last 24 hours with heads of state, they are saying, here are the projects we want to get done and here is where we would like to see american business. why do they want american business? they like our goods and our services and our technology. they like the way we govern and run our businesses. they want us present. >> madam secretary and mr.
mayor, i was going to say i was at an event that mike bloomberg and others were hosting last night. the fact is that these companies, all of the major companies in america, global companies were there. they were saying the way they compete against china, they were saying to heads of state from africa, is that they can train workers, they can leave and create a great work force. that's is the value added that america brings to the table. mr. mayor, i just want to ask you if, you know, from bloomberg's perspective as a business, what the advantage is in africa? and also before we let you go, i wanted to ask you if you had any thoughts today about your great effort on gun laws and the impact of jim brady. >> well, number one, jim brady was a guy who was serving this country and, sadly, got seriously injured, an injury that stayed with him for his whole life when some mentally deranged person tried to kill
the president and our prayers have to go out to james' family. he has been a symbol of too many guns in the hands of people who have psychiatric problems, criminal records. that's something we have to fix in the country. in terms of your first part of your question, look. american companies will do what is in their interests. i think when you take a look at what this country's record has been in dealing with countries around the world, we are not perfect, but we have done a pretty good job of helping an awful lot of people. >> you know with the presence of the commerce department doubling in africa, the opportunity for us to help american businesses navigate the road in africa is really grown. so we are very excited. today's event is really catalytic and i'm proud to represent the department of commerce to partner with bloomberg philanthropy that i think is extremely catalytic for
new business occurring in africa. >> andrea, let me add. bloomberg, the company, has eight offices in africa. we have close to a hundred employees. we deal with 40 countries in africa and our commitment to africa is longstanding and great for us and i think great for africa and we will continue it. >> madam secretary and mr. mayor, thank you for being with us. it really is. it sounds like an idea whose time has come. elise, thank you as well. greatly appreciate you being with us. andrea mitchell, we will be watching you. >> thank you. >> at noon on "andrea mitchell reports. >> still ahead, three-quarters of people believe congress is unproductive. two congress leave their district as the other side of the country lives. plus, i don't know -- i didn't know she had any interest in me. that's how jonnie williams key witness for the prosecution described his relationship. >> that's the look. >> relationship with governor
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atlanta hospital is awaiting the arrival of a second american today who was infected while working in west africa. a plane carrying u.s. missionary nancy writebol is expected to arrive from liberia. concerns were bound by the outgoing outbreak of the ebola virus and a scare in new york city. yesterday, a man showed up in a mt. sinai hospital after returning to the states from west africa with symptoms associated with the illness. hospital officials say it is unlikely he has the virus. nbc's kate snow is live with us in atlanta. kate, what is going on?
>> hi, donnie. >> reporter: we are awaiting that plane you mentioned. nancy writebol should be here later this morning and much like the scene you saw on saturday with a motorcade and very secure ambulance. this morning, we are learning mow about this experimental medicine that both she and dr. brantly who is already here have been taking that may have saved their lives. early monday a man with a high fever who recently traveled to west africa was put into isolation at new york's mt. sinai hospital. >> it was about seven minutes from the time they hit the door to when they were in the isolation room. >> reporter: the new york city health department concluded the patient is unlikely to have ebola. since last week, the cdc has had more than 20 inquiries about suspected ebola cases in the united states about you so far no concerned cases in this country except for the two americans brought here from liberia for treatment. later today, nancy writebol will joint dr. kent brantly in a special isolation unit. >> their appetite has slightly
impok. as a matter of fact i talked to her husband. she asked for her favorite liberian meal which is potato soup and coffee. >> reporter: the two have received doses of an experimental medication never before used on humans. what is it about this medicine that is working? >> when you and i are infected with a vir us, any virus, we make antibodies to the virus and that what killed it. in this case these are special antibodies for ebola. you inject them in the human being and they hopefully, kill the virus and let the immune system do the rest. >> reporter: the rare and expensive drug is not available to the bulk of ebola patients in west africa. >> hopefully, they will scale this up reasonable soon to get more doses available. >> reporter: there are only as you said a handful of doses right now available of this drug. so it's really sought after. it's not widely available
overseas but what they are hoping, what these two patients are hoping by maybe taking this medicine and showing that it work, that perhaps has will lead to more clinical trials and save a lot more lives. >> we jump over situations like this. what is the worst case scenario here? >> reporter: the worst case scenario would be they don't do a good job today protecting this patient and somehow something gets out, but that is such a doom's day scenario. everyone here will tell you they are going to such extreme measures. they have been practicing for 12 years they have had a unit here how to deal with ebola and this is their first two cases but they know what they are doing. they have got an isolation wing behind the hospital behind me that is so locked down we can't get a picture from inside the room. i think the doctors would reassure you they are very confident if e bow ba la is going to come to this country it's not exposure through these two patients. coming up, the red flag
surrounding jonnie williams. a star witness, he is called and the businessman -- i can't read with these lights! snake oil salesman. the latest from that trial is next. ♪ ♪
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♪ a lot of things mitt romney wants to do, like brought into it, right? >> it's very exciting. >> anybody running in a republican primary, you want the mitt romney endorsement. it's true. >> mitt wants to be talked about. he could do it. >> he is doing this. >> no, no, no. >> all great politicians do. >> don't talk to me about 2016. >> one area he doesn't want his name brought up. the names of mitt and ann romney have been dragged into the corruption trial of bob and maureen mcdonnell. mcdonnell's wife who is also facing charges attempted to push a supplement on ann romney. the supplement was produced by the company of a businessman who
prosecutors say brought influence with the mcdonnell's and one of the latest strange and stunning developments to emerge. nbc's peter alexander is wearing a hazmat outfit and he is live in richmond with more. peter, this goes from bad to worse, from strange to bizarre. what is the latest? >> reporter: joe, i think that is exactly right. when we first came down here, we thought this would be not an exciting trial. it has been anything but that. there has been a lot of stunning allegations already. one virginia political analyst describes the mcdonnell's as a beaver cleaver family but these new allegations in many this trial in the second week, including that pitch that you referred to from maureen mcdonnell to ann romney how this wonder drug of sorts could potentially cure her multiple sclerosis has left a lot of people here in disbelief. a sorted tale involving a former
governor behind the wheel of a fa ferrari and luxury vacations and secret cash loans. the governor's key witness wrapping up testimony. he showered bob mcdonnell and his wife maureen with gifts in exchange for their help promoting the tobacco based pill he invented and pitching as a wonder drug of sorts. along the latest details on the same day that mcdonnell endorse the romney for president and maureen approached ann romney saying the vitamin could help her sclerosis. one said i was horrified and thought it was a train wreck. williams insists his relationship with the mcdonnell was all business to help his company but maureen mcdonnell lawyers argue they were friends that the mcdonnell's marriage was crumbling and former washington redskins cheerleader had a crush on williams and an e-mail he is sent after the east coast earthquake. i felt the earth move and he
wasn't having sex. williams is challenging his recollection of his dealings with the mcdonnell's two years ago and he can't recall conversations with prosecutors last month. mcdonnell's team say they were promoting a business but mcdonnell gladly accepted the gifts and this watch that maureen bought to give to her husband. governor mcdonnell is on the witness list for the defense. he has said he is eager to testify at his own behalf. his wife maureen mcdonnell, joe, has said she is not going to testify. one of the real challenges for the mcdonnell's here only months ago we saw them hand in hand and it appeared everything was hunky-dory in wtheir relationship and sitting in court they rarely look at each other and have to impressive on the jury this was a crumbling marriage. so bad they couldn't conspire because they weren't talking to one another. just yesterday in court, jonnie
williams said there was no romantic relationship between he and mcdonnell. he said i didn't know she had any interest in me until this past week. >> peter, thank you so much. i hope you're getting paid overtime. >> that's just a yuck. >> the whole thing is. >> poor bob mcdonnell. >> how about the fact they are comfortable putting him on the stand, which tells you this is a guy who has experienced basically being an operative, a spinner and a lawyer and he knows how to answer questions. >> you're saying bob mcdonnell? >> and they won't put her on the stand, i think is a telling thing. >> i looked at it dimplfferentl. i look at it like it wasn't bob that had his hands -- >> that's what they want us to think. >> -- in the mud. it's obvious. >> i don't know. you know, what really makes this defense seem sketchy is what peter just pointed out. when they first, right after he left the governor's mansion, they are hand in hand and they
look like team mcdonnell defending themselves. as this trial -- as they prepare for this trial over the last nine months, they decide, oh, the only way we are going to stay out of jail is to do this? >> oh, no. i could give an argument as you peel back the onion, it's each man for himself. >> you find out the e-mails that were sent back and forth and you look at all of the gifts and look at the fact that she was interested in him romantically. not a lot of husbands going, hey, honey, that's cool, right? >> chuck, you're more -- >> he let her run rough shot over him and we don't know why. we don't know why. there's something there. i don't know. >> donny, you're laughing. there are a lot of men in america who let their wives run rough shot over them and it has nothing to do with politics. >> that's right. i agree. i think there is more here that we don't know about the marriage. >> donny? >> i just -- i'm stuck.
>> let the defense rest. >> i'm not talking about women. so coming up next, bipartisanship is not dead. in fact, it's breaking out all over the place, i guess. the majority of americans have lost faith in washington, d.c., but congressman elijah cummings and jason chaffetz will talk about how they plan to bridge that divide. keep it right here on "morning joe." ♪
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congress to spend 6,000 on candles? >> yes. >> were you surprised when you saw president obama in the bull pit in the presidential office this morning? >> i was extremely excited. >> did president obama look angry when he was tearing apart that vladimir putin pinata? >> he really did. >> do you like president bush's crazy rodeo party on the birthday lawn or president bush's slip and slide birthday? >> president bush's crazy rodeo birthday. >> joining us ranking member of the oversight and governor reform committee, congressman elijah cummings and from salt lake city, congressman jason chaffetz. thank you guys so much for being with us. it's good to see both of you again. elijah, so you guys actually are trying to get along together and i've worked with elijah, jason.
i know how hard that is to do. elijah, it was always striking to me that we disagree on a lot of things, but we got a lot of things done. i can't ever remember saying one thing negative about you publicly while i was chairman and you were ranking member. we would go back and forth. i think what you guys are doing is great here. i just don't understand why more people aren't doing what you two guys are doing. why don't you tell me what you guys are doing, first. >> what we did is jason chaffetz had asked about a month ago to come to my strict and that i would go to his district, and he came. he had an opportunity to meet with some patients that were, you know, struggling with aids, hiv/aids. he had an opportunity to meet with some of my seniors and to meet with some young people who were trying to get their lives back together after having some -- gone through some tough
times and trying to get back with their families. so he had the chance to actually meet with a lot of the people that i represent. i think he got an idea of what i'm fighting for when i come to the congress and the people that i have to -- that are looking up to me to solve some of their problems. then i went to utah yesterday and had an opportunity to meet with his constituents. i got to tell you that, you know, they have their sets of issues that they have got to deal with and joe had made me a lot more sensitive to what they are dealing with. i'm pretty sure, as i watched him in my district talking to people there, that i believe it sense is a tiesed him to the things i'm dealing with and hopefully that will lead to compromise and help us to work out some problems. >> congressman chaffetz, before you answer congressman cummings query about now whether you're
more sensitive to the needs of his constituents, there are those of us here at the table who remember a time in congress when members of congress, the two of you clearly now know each other much better than you did before, knew each other much i'm good at throwing political barbs. we all do in a sense. i want to get something done. seek first, understand, then be understood. if you break bread with somebody, feel, see, touch, hear, listen to the people, you figure out what you've got in common. i always tell this group we've got to find some common ground
and i liked what elijah cummings said, we can't just get to common ground but higher ground. if we're going to pass legislation that's going to be meaningful, it has to be bipartisan. you better darn well reach out, get out of your comfort zone and actually do something. >> congressman cummings, congressman chaffetz, you may be working much more closely. is this part of forging a relationship so you guys can have a better working relationship, frankly, congressman cummings, than you have with chairman issa? >> i don't know what the republican caucus will do. i can tell you, i want a relationship which will allow us to get things done and, yeah, that's part of it for me. and i'm certain that's the same thing for congressman chaffetz. we've gotten used to leaving washington without getting
things done. and, joe, you're right. when you and i worked together, we got things done and i've worked with other republicans that have gotten things done. there are issues our committee needs to be dealing with. if we can get away from throwing the bombs and really concentrate on why we're there as opposed to who we're fighting against, we concentrate on what we're fighting for, i think we can get things done for the american people. i'm determined to do that and i think it's very important. >> by the way, we got things done, it was good for the country and it was good for both of us politically, too. >> that's right. >> fewer and fewer people in washington, d.c. understand that it's actually -- you know, the screaming, yelling, pointing at each other, that's the short game. the long game is actually getting things done for your constituents. thank you for being with us. elijah and jason, thank you so much.
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join us in an effort to restore confidence, dignity and decorum to this institution. >> james brady died today at the age of 73. >> one bullet striking reagan in the chest, another ben traiting brady's skull. >> the tragedy turned brady's wife sarah and eventually brady himself into advocates for gun control. >> news tonight about the experimental drug used to treat that american doctor infected, now back in the u.s. >> a doctor in liberia describes it as miraculous. >> these two americans may save a lot of lives. >> by her suffering in this she may be able to help countless more. >> a patient came to mt. sinai with symptoms of a fever. >> tests on a man at a major manhattan hospital. >> given the amount of travel it wouldn't be entirery surprising if there would be a case that would show up here in the united states. today's temporary cease fire
was a chance for gaza to bury some of those killed. >> minutes after the israeli-initiated truce began a missile hit a house in gaza city. >> there's nowhere safe here. >> continue to attack 5, 6, 7-year-old children dragged out of dead, who does that help? >> nobody. >> that's wrong. hamas is helped. we can show you previews of what we said five hours ago. donny deutsch is with us, mike barnicle as well. over a million e-mails and tweets, thank you so much for coming back. from washington, national editor of the cook political report, amy walther. thank you so much. look at a couple of quick headlines here. we did this like 12 hours ago. here, of course, talking about the cease fire in the middle east. also the head of the -- that's
"the wall street journal," the washington post also runs with the same headline. and then, of course, what we've been talking about also, jim brady, the face of gun control, has passed away. pass add way yesterday. we'll be talking about that and much, much more. mike barnicle, very important. >> jv. justin verlander. >> and kate upton, still an item. >> still an item. i didn't know that. >> she could have at least had the decency to end it with me first. >> stop. seriously. you know what? seriously. >> how sick is he? >> the truth. >> but, you know -- >> i've got to say, if you look at the new york -- >> post. >> post and a lot of the new york tabloids and also the daily news here. there's a post, two posts, and the daily news. there's the ebola scare in the
city all over the place and many of donny deutsch's former girlfriends hoping he contracts that disease. was that tough? was that tough? >> i have children, you know. they watch this show. you just scared them. they're crying now. you made my daughter cry. >> your daughter in london? >> her name is london. you made her cry. >> he doesn't want you to come down with the virus, but we wouldn't mind if you were put in isolation. >> just a littleby until you clean up your instagram account. >> kentucky senator rand paul obviously juggling for a job for president of the united states. but he's also a republican senator with the possibility that he may run for president. rand paul has been arguing for a more inclusive gop, downplaying t issues. now he's taking that inclusive message on the road. during a three-day sweep through
iowa. his first stop, an appearance with iowa congressman steve king, a man who continues to talk about impeaching the president of the united states. king was asked about his position yesterday. >> i want to discourage the president from taking actions that create a constitutional crisis. if he does that, we can't take anything off the table. and i don't know that rand paul is much different than me on that. i think that's a fairly moderate position and i don't know that our founding fathers would have as much patience with barack obama as either i or rand paul have. >> then there was this awkward moment. paul and king were approached by two self described dreamers after introducing themselves, asking king a question about their stance on immigration, paul, mid bite, takes a cue from one of his staffers and bails. watch this. he's just out.
so, amy, that's one of the problems, i guess, trying to run as a new kind of republican and campaigning -- >> that's good. >> with what some would call an old kind of republican. >> there you go. >> one of the last guys in washington that is still talking about impeachment. >> the i word is what he used. >> yes. >> he has learned not to use the word impeachment. this is where iowa becomes such a problem for republicans as they're trying to broaden the elect orate. they still go to a place like iowa where the turnout at a caucus is incredibly conservative, they'll be on the opposite end of the issues that you were just talking about earlier, especially on immigration. how do you balance that? what rand paul has ton very well -- i think ultimately it will catch up with him. what he has been able to do very well is balance this fine line. he has a voting record that is very conservative and then he
talks about being more conservative or moderate. it works pretty well until you get confronted on it. he got confronted on it, specifically on israel. you talked in the past about cutting off aid to israel. he said i disagree. i have now voted for more money for the iron dome. he brought his statements back and said you actually did support cutting it off. he has to figure out that balancing act not only in iowa but nationally. >> did you see that shirt he was wearing? stylish. he's wearing that shirt, it looks a lot like a rainbow. i wonder if maybe steve king was upset by the shirt. >> he's an optician, isn't he? >> ophthalmologist. >> it's a good look. >> if you're rand paul and -- you know, you're trying to change the party. if somebody says something you disagree with, you don't want to embarrass them in their own backyard but at some point you have to start distancing
yourself. >> it also goes to the brand he has tried to extend for himself, which is a truth teller. not an old guard republican who goes along with partisanship but a libertarian. as you know, i was interviewing him last week. he feels the inclusion is not just rhetoric and feels strongly that he has introduced several sets of bills, legislation to change the way the republican party operates. he said, his words, he's doing more for african-americans than anyone else in congress. >> obviously he is also racing against his past. we talked about israel here. and, obviously, he said some things in the past about israel that caught up to him. he got into a big scuffle for his campaign for senator about seeming to be opposed to the civil rights act. >> at least section two and section seven, with regard to private businesses, which is what the lunch counter fights
were about. a lot of people care about that and care about the details. i managed 19 precincts in polk county when i was managing john kerry. donny deutsch, a big fan of that, always pat mes me on the k for it. iowa is more extreme, more passionate than the median base of both parties but also more informed. you had a different position and it might have dissolved the camp david accords. we know about that. we listen to talk radio. we listen to the shows, read the papers. that's an environment where you're going to continue to have voter to politician interactions and sometimes those are tougher than the media, because you just can't shoot the messenger. >> a lot tougher and he will have to figure out how to square that if he wants to move forward. chris mcdaniel, remember him? long and anticipated move six weeks after losing to senator thad cochran, now formal ly for
questioning the results. good luck there. according to mcdaniel and his lawyers, there are more than 15,000 illegal or questionable ballots, votes from democrats who voted earlier that month in their own party's primary, which would not be allowed. many of the ballots in question also believed to be for african-americans who turned out to vote for senator cochran in the runoff. >> they asked us to put up or shut up. here we are. here we are with the evidence. now, we all witnessed what a segment of our party did in the weeks leading up to. we saw despicable allegations from those that are supposed to be leaders in our party. there is no place in the republican party for those that
would -- the integrity of the elections process of the state of mississippi matters. the -- matters. but, likewise, the integrity of the republican party and its primary system, a party and a system we love so much, it matters as well. >> so his big concern was the african-american voters, it was unfair that african-american voter voters in the republican primary. >> does he have any chance at all? >> i do not think so. part of their challenge is exactly to the point that it was democrats who came out, voted in a runoff where if you vote in a runoff, you're supposed to support the republican. they say these people have no intention of supporting the republican.
this goes directly back to rand paul. here is a party or candidate in rand paul who says we need to be more inclusive. i'm reaching out to african-american voters. i've done so much, tried to increase voting rights for african-americans and then you have this race in mississippi where it does, to donny's point, it's not fair that democrats, specifically african-american democrats were able to vote in our primary. those are two messages that are clashing right there. >> let me ask you when we're talking about thad cochran, obviously a more senior republican, more moderate republican. we have two other races this week where the tea party is trying to get their first real big win of the year. you have kansas with pat roberts against a guy that was posting bizarre photos of, was it, dead people? i'm not sure. and then the other one is in tennessee with lamar alexander. are both those senior republicans pretty safe?
>> they look pretty good at this point. what both pat roberts and lamar alexander did, they were prepared for these challenges. it's not rocket science, to win these primaries. so much of it is just showing up and running really strong campaigns. lamar alexander also helped with the fact that there are a lot of candidates in the primary. much like thad cochran, he spent the last year moving more to the right in order to stave off these tea party attacks and he got helped, you're right, joe, by the fact that his opponent did post some not very good stuff on facebook, when you're mocking patients who have been shot. >> not very good stuff. >> not very good. >> some gruesome photos. >> gruesome. >> not very good stuff. so as a tea party, they can't take credit for eric cantor. so what's the big tea party win this year? >> policy. >> no, who did they knock off?
have they knocked off a single senior republican, anybody? >> i would say they've rewired the way the house votes, though, right? >> yeah. >> it's been that way for a while. >> it's proof to the point, what amy just referred to. both lamar alexander and pat roberts had campaigns up and running for quite some time. eric cantor clearly had nothing going on. >> caught sleeping. thad cochran was caught sleeping. a lot of them caught sleeping. it seems like the establishment was ready this time. washington is remembering former white house press secretary james brady. he passed away yesterday. he was, of course, left partially paralyzed after being shot during the assassination attempt of ronald reagan in 1981. brady became a tireless fighter for stricter gun control laws and andrea mitchell who, of course, covered the reagan white house and knew the bradys looks back on his life. >> 69 days after ronald reagan
took office -- >> shots were fired at president reagan in washington. >> -- six shots were fired, the first meant for the president explode in the head of the white house press secretary james brady. brady had always been known as the bear, big, irreverent, when candidate reagan said trees caused pollution, he joked about killer trees. after being fought, brady fought for his life, struggled to speak and to walk. the reagans insisted he keep the title of press secretary and rename the briefing room in his honor. nancy reagan even joked about reports she opposed giving brady the job because he wasn't good looking enough. >> i kept calling him my y & h, my young and handsome. he's still my y & h.
>> worked tirelessly against gun violence. the brady bill, five-day waiting period and background checks beforehand sales. the assault weapons ban lasted ten years until congress let it lapse. after gabby giffords was shot, again, speaking out. >> still just as funny and -- >> not to mention funny looking. >> his neuro surgeon remembers that fateful day. >> the greatest achievement was saving the life of the president of the united states, walked right in the line of fire. >> he lived for another 33 years, valiant till the end. >> jim brady was 73 years old. when reagan said trees cause pollution, some people would go around and put signs up on trees. reagan's campaign, stop me before i kill again. brady knew how to joke, sort of brush aside the criticism.
he knew how to work with the press. he liked the press. the press liked him. even though the press was fairly hostile to ronald reagan. that's a missing art. >> oh, it sure is. and it's a different time. there were none of the components of the media that are around now, twitter and all that stuff. jim brady had a way to disarm even the most hostile of interrogators in that press room. >> he sure did. all right. still ahead on "morning joe," we'll continue our conversation on teacher tenure and student rights. campbell brown was here yesterday. now we have randy weingarten and former los angeles mayor antonio villaraigosa. they join us in just a bit. israel withdraws all of its troops from gaza as a 72-hour cease fire goes into effect. is it a cease fire or could it actually open up hopes for a larger peace plan? you're watching "morning joe."
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israeli troops are in gaza as a three-day cease fire is in effect. it's completed its mission of destroying hamas' known tunnels. will the truce hold up this time? let's bring in right now nbc news chief correspondent, richard engel who is live in gaza. israel says, of course, that it's achieved its mission. but you have the state department coming out a couple of days ago in some of the
toughest talk i've ever heard aheard. so talk about the pressures on both these sides and whether it may give us a chance for a lasting peace. >> reporter: well, i think you've hit the factors here quite well. for israel, this came down to increasing pressure from the united states. the u.s. stepped up its rhetoric. the state department with that blistering statement over the weekend, after israel continued to fire into gaza and civilians kept getting killed. i think there was just one incident too many when, over the weekend, more palestinians taking refuge at a u.n. shelter were killed. six u.n. schools turned into shelters over the course of this conflict took direct hits. for some people at the white house and state department, that
was just too much. on the hamas side, hamas really bowed to pressure from egypt and recognized it didn't have the kind of popular support across the arab world that it thought it did. hamas, throughout this conflict, wanted to negotiate with qatar. it wanted to negotiate with turkey. it wanted to negotiate with those who are sympathetic to the muslim brotherhood. hamas is an offshoot for the muslim brotherhood and egypt said you want to relieve the pressure on gaza, lift the closure, you want egypt to open its border with the gaza strip, you're going to have to deal with cairo and you're going to have to deal with the new government in cairo, run by general sisi, who doesn't like the muslim brotherhood. at the end of the day, hamas realized it had no choice and now is in cairo, negotiating with general sisi, which it never wanted to do. >> if hamas takes a step back and allows the more moderate or
plo factions to be in charge here in some meaningful way, how will that be interpreted in gaza? >> reporter: hamas here in gaza is saying this is a great victory. hamas always declares victory, i think, in every war both sides always declare victory. but the reality is hamas had to go to cairo and is going to have to accept more presence from the other more moderate palestinian factions because the egyptians are going to impose that on them. hamas has gone to cairo. the egyptians are saying we'll open the border but we want not hamas running the border. we want other palestinian factions, mahmoud abbas' faction running that. hamas is losing something out of all of this. it's losing some of its authority here in gaza and it's having to recognize the power of the new egyptian regime. and it's recognizing as well that the muslim brotherhood's
days when they were the most popular groups all across the middle east, that the situation has changed profoundly on that. you can see the same protests. we didn't see rallies in damascus, cairo, baghdad. we saw a lot of rhetoric, distressful images but the people didn't come out in the streets for hamas this time. >> what is the sense in israel about prospective peace negotiations going forward after there was such a seemingly direct effort to diminish the efforts of the american secretary of state john kerry? >> reporter: i think israel is saying our relations with hamas are purely security based. we won't attack them if they don't attack us. we don't want anything to do with them. we'll negotiate with the palestinian authority. hamas' real problem will be with egypt. hamas will have to talk with cairo and figure out how to open the border.
after this, relations between israel and hamas -- by the way, the two sides don't officially recognize each other -- are broken glass. they're not going to be repaired or put together. >> thank you so much, richard. greatly appreciate it. appreciate your great reporting from there. richard engel, thank you so much. now with us from washington, plo to the united states, thank you, mr. ambassador, for being with us. >> thank you. >> we have been hearing for quite some time now that egypt, saudi arabia, jordan, does not want to deal with hamas. they want to deal with the plo and the palestinian authority. they want to deal with you all. is this not only an opening for more moderate forces in the palestinian territories but also an opening for peace? >> well, first of all, the palestinian delegation that went to cairo on saturday was formed
by president abbas and it does, for the first time, include very palestinian factions, from hamas, islamic jihad, and others. first in the political, you know, life or experience. and therefore what they presented to the egyptian officials over the last two days was a unified palestinian position. we have said all along that we don't want any regional alliances and realliances to impact the palestinian people. and the palestinian leadership has been very clear about neutralizing the pestinians from all these shifts in the region and political dynamics in the region. >> hamas came, obviously, to you all several months ago, out of necessity, to form a political alliance. is this -- the fact that they are now agreeing to let the plo
take the lead -- talk about the opportunities for peace. not just for a cease fire but for a lasting peace. in the past, obviously, there have been concerns that if the plo struck a separate peace with israel, factions like hamas would try to assassinate whatever leaders in the plo tried to strike that peace. now it seems that there is a unified front for -- and can we take some hope from that that maybe we can have a lasting peace deal? >> had israel accepted and also in 2014 we would have spared everybody this destruction and slaughter in the gaza strip. 1900 people have been killed, 10,000 have been wounded. the only thing that prime minister netanyahu can brag about is the killing of civilians and the destruction of gaza. we wanted to start the political
process when hamas accepted the government. we were planning on engaging them in the political dialogue that would eventually bring them into the plo. this remains to be our objective. there is enough pragmatism within hamas, political leadership, i have to say at least, to go along with the palestinian or plo national agenda for finding a resolution to the conflict with israel through peaceful means. >> so you're hopeful we won't see what we've seen before, and that is just a cycle of a cease fire and then hamas being able to rebuild their capabilities and us going through this deadly cycle every few years? >> it takes two to tangle. >> yes, it does. >> it takes two to tango. israel also needs to understand that its blockade of the gaza strip for the last seven years has left people in gaza without
any hope. what do they expect an oppressed people -- when you address an oppressed people through violence, what do you expect them to respond by? >> mr. ambassador, i think mr. netanyahu is bragging not necessarily about killing civilians but shutting down tunnels and pushing back rockets that were meant to try to hurt israel. i love when you use the word pragmatic about hamas. it's a terrorist organization. nothing pragmatic about that. >> what about members in the israeli government who are calling for the transfer of the palestinians? what about members who are calling for the death of palestinian mothers and the snakes that they have in their wombs? listen, in order to get over this cycle of violence and make sure it's not repeated we need to put an end to the root causes. you cannot tell me that this began because of hamas building tunnels or launching rockets.
>> it did start with rockets from hamas. that's exactly where -- >> it didn't start -- >> it has nothing else to do -- >> donny, hold it, hold it. we're not going to cure 3,000 year s of -- in the remaining to minutes that we have. since we just had that back and forth, chi sit here as a supporter of israel for ten minutes and say the things that donny just said. the palestinian people could talk about all the suffering that they've had to endure and theiesilation and the terrible conditions they've had to endure over the past several years. the question is, can we look forward? can we move forward and find a common ground between israel and the palestinian people for a two-state solution that might create a living environment in gaza and a secure environment in israel? >> well, i think we need to look beyond gaza, joe. this is not only issue. i think the united states has been investing a lot of efforts.
secretary of state kerry has invested a lot of time. the parameters of this resolution are clear to everybody, two-state solution based on 1967 just agreed upon resolution to the refugee problem, security arrangements that will not engage on the sovereignty of the future palestinian state. the ball is in israel's court. israel needs to decide whether they want to pursue this path of violence every year, every two years against the palestinians or they want to sit and engage to find a real end to this conflict once and for all. >> mr. ambassador, thank you so much for being with us. hopefully, you will come back again some time soon. >> thank you. >> so, donny, obviously, we could sit here and debate. you're not going to have a guy that's in charge of the plo delegation going out, attacking
hamas. of course, hamas is their enemy domestically as well. why didn't you sit there and scream and wave your arms about hamas, we can do that. what they're trying to do, though, is what happened in ireland. where you actually had guys like jerry adams that basically had to drag the most violent factions of the ira over and -- drag them over, not attack them publicly and quietly say -- jerry adams, still, one of the -- it's just a shock that jerry adams has been able to keep the violent factions in line as long as he has. >> it is. >> one thing publicly but privately, don't screw with me. do not step out of line. and, donny, i know, this is a very emotional moment. we don't want to see this in two or three more years. >> no, we don't. >> hamas is a terror organization. guess what? so was ira. guess what?
there's peace now. >> i got it. >> in northern ireland. >> and it's about the violent israelis and the pragmatic hamas. >> donny -- >> that's exactly what he said. >> what do you expect him to say? >> how do you expect me to react? >> i understand. i am just explaining. if we are going to move forward, you have to understand, he represents a people who have had 5, 6, 7-year-old people dragged out of their homes dead. >> used as shields. >> that does not matter to the father of a 5-year-old child. >> it matters to this discussion. >> it does matter to this discussion, donny. don't talk to us like we're 2-year-olds. we know hamas uses children as shields. we know hamas uses people to protect their missiles and israel uses their missiles to protect people. we understand. netanyahu is right but sometimes being right does not -- >> doesn't solve the problem. >> does not solve the problem.
>> let's leave it at that. >> we'll leave it at that. coming up -- this is going to make teacher tenure seem really tame, randy. >> we got it all out. >> we got it now. now we're going to make teacher tenure seem almost boring. the lawsuit against teacher tenure nothing more than smoke screens. he openly questions why teachers unions are opposed to change. randy is here along with the mayor of los angeles. i'm not going to call him former. he's still the mayor, baby. he's still the mayor. we'll be right back. and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel. thank you daddy. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance can be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life.
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it's about us beginning to treat teachers like individuals. they aren't interchangeable. they are individuals and they should be evaluated and rewarded for performance as any other person in a profession. >> teachers are the best people in the world. they love kids. they're out there, the best teachers. i think most teachers feel this way. this is not anti-teacher. people get jobs based on merit. we need to keep that merit system going while they progress. we do it in every other profession and we need to do it here. >> that, of course, is campbell brown and david boyce. teacher tenure yesterday. they're backing a lawsuit that
wants to overturn new york state's tenure laws. it's happened in a lot of other states t comes a month after an l.a. judge struck down tenure and other job protections for other california teachers. now with her own take, president of the american federation of teachers, i promised we would get you on, randi weingarten and former democratic mayor of los angeles and former organizer of the united teachers of los angeles, antonio villaraigosa. mr. mayor, teachers are -- some of your former colleagues are thinking you have betrayed them. why do you oppose teacher tenure? >> i challenge the notion we can't have disagreements among friends. one out of ten poor kids are going to graduating from a four-year college. the fact of the matter is in math, we're at 30, when you
compare us to other nations in the world. in science, we're at 23. in reading, we're at 20. we have a national crisis. and for poor kids, kids of color, they're not even competing with the developing world. so we've got to challenge one another. we've got to set high standards. >> and you think getting rid of teacher tenure does that? >> it allows us to have a conversation. i first filed the reed case, the predicate, frankly, for this case. the rest of the city was only losing 3%. >> let me bring you in, randi. i remember you telling me one time off camera you were looking and saw these great liberal icons around the table all basically going after teachers unions. now we have david boyce, the mayor. do you feel like you're on the wrong side of history here? >> let's define what the fight
is, which is that everyone, particularly people who care about poor kids, are incredibly frustrated because in a capitalist democracy, the only thing that was always the pathway to social mobility was schooling, public schooling. that's why people are frustrated. >> by the way, i saw a report today, the rich are going to keep getting richer and poorer are going to keep getting poorer until we make our education system better. >> i'm going to get back to that. it's not simply the education system but social mobility, income inequality. >> absolutely. >> we think in a capitalist democracy, okay, this is the road to social mobility, education. so what happens is it's the right debate and the wrong remedy. because if you -- >> why is teacher tenure the wrong remedy? >> what teacher tenure does is teacher tenure lets people -- i hate the word tenure. due process lets people innovate
in classrooms. it lets people whistleblow. it lets people talk about the things that teachers and kids need. where you are right, joe -- and we've had this discussion so many different times, before and after while waiting for superman, was the system that was broken was the teacher evaluation system. >> right but as far as teacher tenure goes, mike barnicle -- i'm sorry. >> let me finish one more thing, which is this. you actually helped us here. and in over -- jurisdiction after swrurd, we've actually worked to fix things and in new york, this is one of the reasons that this case is so wrong. in new york, in connecticut, in maryland, in illinois, we have actually worked -- new jersey, to change teacher tenure so it is actually not a cloak of incompetence and not an excuse of managers not to manage. >> first of all we agree, it is
not just seniority and tenure. it's also the evaluation system. in los angeles, as an example, about 99%. between 97 and 99% of the teachers were getting a highly satisfactory or satisfactory evaluation. when you asked them how many times the principal had come into their room to evaluate them, the answer would be almost never. the fact of the matter is we have to be able to evaluate teachers. we have to be able to hold them accountable. we have to hold ourselves accountable, too. i don't put all of this on the teachers union or the teachers. there's a lot of great teachers. i've worked with them. there are organizations like teach plus that are really working to reform our schools and to engage in best practices. there are charters, public charters, by the way, not as you hear from some. these are public charters doing tremendous things. the highly effective ones. i think there are ways for us to collaborate. what i saw as the lawsuit as an opportunity to do is to have a
conversation. we have uber due process, the court said, in california. when you can't fire a pedophile who has been already admitted to being a pedophile and you can't fire them. >> mr. mayor, let me -- >> mike, that's one of the big complaints you always hear about tenure, it protects incompetent teachers. >> city after city, case after case, you can prove that. my argument is this is all pro teacher. it's not anti-teacher. how do we do the following? how do we get to the point where parents, who have a child in public school, rich or poor, have a vibrant, electric, 30-year-old young person teaching and you've got -- this is not an attack on veteran teachers, but an older teacher who wants to retire, is not retiring, and the young teacher, in municipal bankruptcies, the young teacher is out the door. >> what's happening right now is our teaching force is hugely changed and you don't have a
whole lot of the people who are senior teachers anymore. the median, the number one -- the most teachers right now in america have less than two years of experience. so the issue right now is actually how do you build the capacity of the teaching force when we're throwing so much at them and how do you attract and retain great teachers? >> you pay them more. >> it's more than that. how do you attract teachers to the school that i taught in, in new york city? so when you talk to great teachers, what they say is they need their voice and they need training. they need to be able to speak. and that's what's wrong with this lawsuit. in new york, we actually did the work that the mayor is complaining about in california. the average amount of time it takes for a tenure case right now in new york city is 105 days. what's happened is that since we talked last, we actually stepped up and did a lot of work to solve some of these problems what i don't like about the copy cat cases, it ignores all of
that. let's work on attracting and row taning great teachers to high-need schools and give teachers the voice that they need to actually help kids. >> randi, thank you so much for coming. hope you'll come back. >> i will, always. >> good. we need to get a big round table and just talk this out. >> absolutely. >> we can do it. mr. mayor, thank you. >> great to be on. >> i'm glad you're on the east coast more so you get to watch the show more. >> i'm glad, too. "morning joe" will be right back.
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not be a group hug starts in just seconds. check it out. log on. we would love to hear from you. ♪ ♪ ask >> this is a fox news alert. a senior white house official confirming president obama is considering sending ground troops to iraq. deputy national security advisor ben rhodes saying president obama could decide in just days whether to send in ground troops to rescue thousands of religious refugees who are trapped on a mountaintop. and fox news also confirming a team of american special ops landing on mount and spending 24 hours there to assess the best way to evacuated refugees. landed in mount sinjar iraq time. greg with the very latest. greg? >> greta, yeah, a lot of action in this part of the world. those extra troops that have
come here to northern iraq are based in this city not too far from where we are and we believe those special force operators that spent that time, you were talking with on mount sinjar to the left of this location this space as well. a lot of action over there as you noted their mission was to assess a possible evacuation route for those ethic minority. it is confirmed by fox news that those special operators, some 20 of them are now safely off of that mountain. the battle is by no means over. centcom is also confirming today yet another missile strike against isis positions nearby mount sinjar, trying to clear that whole area of militants and making any rescue operation that could be planned that could be led by the united states a safe one. that is never a sure bet. no, it is not just these people being targeted by the isis militants it is a
another of other religions and ethnic group including christians. there is something like 100,000 maybe more in the past several days and weeks from isis. we spent some time with a group of them at an encampment outside of a church here in erville. some were robbed. some had to flee with the clothes on their back. just about all of them told me that they were sentenced to death if they did not convert to islam. they decided not to but they decided to flee. now, we saw the hungry, the thirsty, the tired, the hurt. we saw parents who were worried about their kids. we heard from kids who were worried about missing school. many of them were asking, were begging for international help. greta, i asked several of them how did it feel for you to be singled out for death by me militants just because you were christian christian? one man summed up an attitude we heard from a lot of people no religion should allow. this back to you. >> greg, thank you. and there is news tonight
about possible u.s. ground troops being sent to iraq. deputy national security advisor ben rhodes speaking for the president says the president is considering sending ground troops as part of a coordinated rescue mission with kurdish forces and european allies. former u.n. ambassador john bolton joins us. good evening, sir. >> good evening. >> is that enough? >> well, there are really two separate objectives here. one is to provide assistance for the refugees and the other is to provide protection. and there are separate operations. although they are related in the sense that probably the best way to do both is to get them farther away from the isis forces. and i think that must be the first thing that the assessors that they have sent in are looking at. >> the president says, at least we understand if he is going to send ground forces in it's only for the humanitarian mission. here's the problem, we may be able to get them off the mountaintop and get them to safety but you have 100,000 on the ground. you are not doing much of humanitarian mission for
100,000. >> that's what he said is it was fewerly to supplies we haven't done that effectively as well. some of the numbers we have heard on refugees go well beyond what why have just heard. i have heard 100,000. maybe more. this is a huge logistical effort to provide assistance even if isis were not a military threat. when you add the military threat it gets much more complicated and dangerous. we had experience with this after the first persian gulf war in 1991, protecting the kurds of all people in northern iraq. it's not easy to do. >> how do you possibly do humanitarian work if you don't take out the terrorist army of isis because, i mean, what are we going to do just feed them as they get shot and killed and persecuted? >> this is the threat. and i think the first step is to separate the refugees from isis if you can. >> that's a military action though, isn't it? >> if isis continues to
advance behind the refugees, then you are maced with potential combat even as you are trying to provide assistance. peace that's where it gets very difficult for a president. the they can only do so much given of the limb division stations if a they face. this what want to do it the way the u.s. military would propose to do it would require an extensive increase of forces on the ground. help us so for it's strands fraps beings australia, frrky this is a poor performance by multi-lateral presidents. coming pack to the current refugee flows we got u.n. security council resolution 688 the first time international everagree flows to ever bln auto athletic. i any that's what the obama administration ought to be doing. i think the president ought
to be on the phone to every leader of the 15 countries on the security council. the other 14 he ought to be talking to leaders all over the world to put together an international coalition at a minimum to help on the humanitarian side but beyond that look isis is a threat. >> i think if you were serious about using the security council you would try to get a resolution take a look at this video the navy just recently released it the pilots are in the air but still at risk. how much risk? joining us retired air force colonel martha mc, she was the first female pilot running for arizona congressional seat. good evening. >> hi, greta. >> you flew the a 10 wart hog which i have learned is guardian in the sky to protect troops on the ground. dangerous business doing
this stuff. tell me how much are our pilots at risk who are doing air drops and also taking out certain isis members and their tanks? >> well, every time he we fly into enemy territory as a pilot, you know, we are at risk. you are at risk of potential small arms fire or rocket propelled grenades, rpgs or other missiles. we could have some sort of emergency where you have eject. every time we launch for one of these missions, you know, we are ready to go and survive on the ground. evade. we have got the training to be able to deal with that you are always at risk every time you go on a mission like this. actually the a-10 would be well-suited for this situation because we do fly low and very survival with longer times and hit targets and not hurt any friendly forces or civilians that are in close proximity.
>> if you have clear military targets which you have had you can go in j tax. joint terminal attack controllers and give the pilots the opportunity to find and identify those targets hilt them identify them. it appears changing tactics from less conventional and blend go ahead in more with the population. much more difficult to do that without a j tack. you need to find and fix and finish those targets and so doing that just from the air without the guy on the ground saying that's the target. decorn flicketd the friendly forces making sure there is no civilian casualties that is very challenging to do just from the air especially when they start blending more into the population. >> all right. best case scenario, assuming we weren't all war weary and concerned about some things, how do you take out isis? >> well, you know, first of all we should have seen this coming. the obama administration has failed and just watched this
threat as a cancer and metastasizing a cancer. it's been growing in its capability. it's been bank rolling itself, you know. so we have seen this threat coming. and now we are already in a crisis because we have watched it happen and done nothing about it. but it is a threat not just for the humanitarian situation, we cannot have a failed state in iraq and syria that is a safe haven for jihadists to be trained. they want to come out and obviously hurt us as well. this is an international crisis at this point that the obama administration should have seen coming. he needs to start leading the international community in order to address this threat because it is a a very serious threat. they are very capable, i would say more capable than al qaeda on 9/11 and it needs to be addressed seriously. right now, military solution is not the only answer though. but we have got to take away those military capabilities and then address it politically as well. >> colonel, thank you very much for joining us. >> surely, thanks for having me on, greta.
>> not just in iraq. christians under attack. terrifying news about the american pastor in prison for being christian. death threats from ice says territory. the prison has been told that the terrorists now have much a plan to kill him in the prison pus of his christian faith. you will here more 'this from pastor's pif of christians under attack that's this friday 7 p.m. eastern. if you won't be home set your dvrs right now because you don't want to miss it. let's go off the record for a minute. i hate war and i'm war weary. and i know you feel the exact same way. these wars have been tough and really tough for some families. some wars are necessary but not all. the u.s. can't police the world and we can't solve every problem of every nation. we have a lot of problems here at home we need to attend to. how do we decide when we should get involved with
problems thousands of miles away and for people we haven't even met? i would go back and for the. owned, i can't stand to see people suffer. others troops doing that how do we decide? last night "on the record" 7:00 p.m. lt. colonel oliver north said. this. >> if we don't take steps now to prevent this from happening, 25 years from now our kids and grand kids will say what were you doing pause you can't claim you didn't know it. people still say they didn't know about the holocaust until the 1940s. >> ollie is right. what happened to jew notice holocaust is absolutely unthinkable some claim not to know. this time we all know. no one has an excuse. what is going on in iraq could be genocide and the world looked the other way 20 years ago with the genocide in rwanda. let's not make that grievous mistake again. we have to stop ice cities
whatever it takes. that's my off-the-record comment tonight. now tonight's big event. i would so kill to be the fly on the wall for this one. president obama and former secretary of state hillary clinton are going to be at the same birthday party on martha's vineyard. obama and clinton on again off again relationship. slamming president obama foreign policy joe trippi joins us. do you want to be that fly on the wall, too? >> let's hug. come on. let's do it. like huggology. >> how about bad is this? >> you if he, i don't think it's bad. >> axelrod doesn't like it but in 2008 hillary lost the election by being to the right of barack obama. she lost the primary fight to him because she was for the iraqi war when he had opposed it. and so it's kind of interesting, it's sort of, you ask the question like does she really understand
how big the shift in the democratic primary electorate is since george bush that she is now, again, stating wanted -- standing to the right of him and i understand how it positions her in a general election, but this could invite an elizabeth warren or a sanders from vermont. >> or maly. >> that's what i mean, plenty of people. so i think it's positioning for a general election and separating from the president. but in the same way, making the mistake that happened in 2008. joe, if there is a slaughter of christians in iraq, i mean, how -- democratic party just sort of look the other way and say well, you know. that's tough? >> no, i think. >> i mean. >> they are going to protect her. i think the finest moment for americans will be when we get those people off those mountain. >> the problem is we get those people off the mountain and we can all take a bow and be very proud of
our troops and proud of the taxpayers who have paid taxes to do. this but the problem is there are -- there can be between 100,000 according to greg palkot and ambassador bolton says he has heard up to 250,000 christians who are just standing in line and isis says that convert or i'm going to kill you. how about those people? >> isis say that. >> owe have got friends. i worked in iraq. i think what the u.s. is doing right now stopped that place from collapsing made a
difference in morale among the kurdish people. now it's getting to a lot of the things that maliki and the iraqis -- we can't want this more than they do. and in the end, it is the iraqi people that have got to come together and solve this problem. the u.s. can stall. >> except that -- >> isis move. >> do you go back to what colin powell says, you know, it's like, we broke it so we bought it in a sense that whatever the expression is because we did go in there, there were no weapons of mass destruction but none the less we went in there. >> i believe that. when i went there, i thought i was against the work. when i got there i said we broke it we have got to fix it. we came back and all my progression friends are crazy crazy. the last american boot levies the ground there it
was going to fall apart it was going to happen today or 10 years from now. >> i agree with you you, joe, i was if there kurd tan that area in december. they want to do well and they everywhere ellie doing well. most stablist in iraq. and i was in irril. if it falls that's unmitigated disaster. >> joe, nice to see you. >> nice to be with you. >> joining us our legal panel, nina easton, betsy woodruff and stephan -- >> let me go back to hillary clinton problem. what did she say about president obama's foreign policy in that atlantic interview. was that an accident? a misstatement? something she regrets? misgoated or what? what -- misquoted. >> you are suggesting something like that was an accident with hillary clinton? please. >> it was ha shot across the bough, right? >> it was a shot across the bough.
by the way i want to say about this hug fest thing it worries about me about mugging because in of mafia frims we have got pulling out a knife attacking twidder over not saying it's not a stupid policy. it's important to remember that clinton is distickets from obama in a different did is. separate from him on policy points beyond the student tough imlentd. woe did want to bettenned arm in syria. i think going back to your conversation with joe. ing if ice sis is able to establish a calafate which, by the way is not just a regional problem, is not just a humanitarian problem. it's a clear and present danger to the united states, if that happens, we're going to hear a lot more about hillary clinton having wanted to keep residual forces in iraq as she did.
an american presence as a stabilizing bores. foreign policy could be very well front and center in 2006. >> betsy. your thoughts on this whole hillary president obama problem? >> well, if this hug diplomacy is effective maybe they can figure out some sort of immigration solution. as far as the hillary clinton goes she was in favor of arming but she was agnostic about it at times. she secretary of defense if we support these phis there can could be precautions? >> we have to bailey that i. u.n. and she can say whether or not this is a poo test rgment most of these crisis that blew up' to the on her watch. >> i that strikes me forgive her buy i don't think the first lady won't.
>> i don't know that president obama actually does forgive her except another marriage of convenience for the clintons in this case. just like george w. bush had to depend on john mccain the guy on if he won would have protected the president's legacy. he has to decide how much does he push back or and how much does he get her elected to run the campaign the way she wants to do it because if you a puck being republican win hurts even more. >> i think i'm a little too thin citizen inned. >> she went straight at him and then the back. the whole thing seems so weird to go far out and then left it out. you are left standing there hillary what do i know about you at this point. >> panel, staffs. literally teens setting themselves on fire. you will see it it's called the fire challenge. we will talk about who should be held responsible
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weave have been not been able to verify if the video have from the teenager. shows you what the fire challenge looks like. here is where the teenager story take as twist. his mother is facing criminal charges. why the mother? joining us former prosecutor katie fang and defense lawyer ted williams. first to you. mother is charged when her son plays this fire challenge game. >> i think she should be charged severely. this woman was charged with contributing to the delinquency of a minor. this is a mature adult. 41-year-old woman who watches her son do this idiotic game. this is more than stuck on stupid. somebody is going to be seriously hurt. we he have people in burn units right now trying to survive and idiots like this doing this on tv.
>> this is just a random one. this is not just a one time deal. a lot of kids are doing. this katie, to you. what -- i don't know but but i would be looking through the criminal code and finding anything i could to get the parents or the kids, anybody. at this rate north carolina has a statute. contributing to the delinquency of a minor. in florida. prosecutor charged with child abuse felony. much more serious offense. the mom has got to be responsible and whatever parent is there, the guardian has got to be responsible. if you look at the actual video. there is somebody holding that camera when they pan to the mirror. it could mom. we're not sure. by all accounts she has told the police and being interviewed by the police that she was there when it happened. couldn't you charge the -- you mentioned camera holders, can't you charge them as aider and abetters to something? >> actively participating in it actively participating
and encouraging. equally culpable under the statute. what's equally important here you have a 16-year-old kid this mom is not encouraging her kid to be doing college admissions video. encouraging the kid to light himself on fire and put it on youtube and facebook. if somebody is going to get in trouble is going to be the mom. even these young people that they are so stupid but a parent. >> you know, you would never expect this clearly of a parent but these young people also have to act responsibly. these are teenagers. they should know better. i think clearly you are right. they themselves should be charged as aider and abetters in regards to. this i'm sure, every kid in the school probably knows it's going on and probably other parents know this is going on. these things aren't done in isolated fashion. if we didn't come up with enough videos like this. random videos on the internet. >> this is being driven by social media, unfortunately. these people see that this is their way to get in the
social media it's the wrong way. somebody is going to be seriously hurt in regards -- look at these kids. they are on fire, they are screaming and hollering and it's just amazing that you would do that to your own body when, as i said, there are people in burn units as we speak dying of being accidentally burned. this is horrible, irresponsible and immature. even to the extent that anyone has to goes to a hospital, and they are treating one of these kids in the burn units not taking care of other people. >> oh, yes. it takes away from having to care to the people who are legitimate victims. not just these kids haven't suffered or not going to be victims in this case like i said the guardians or the parents should be responsible for what's happening. you are right. you have got kids and adults and you have got people that are in hospitals that need help and instead we are going to be treating these kids in terms of what they're doing to themselves. you know, it's completely
viral. it's an account of social media facebook says they are taking it down as quickly as it comes up but not before it already gets disseminated everywhere on to the internet. >> what you can do about this, ted? >> i don't even know he what to do about it. >> what you can do is certainly what we're trying to do is to publicize this to the public to say this is clearly wrong. we need to send that message out there. sooner or later hopefully someone will get the answer to this before somebody gets seriously hurt. >> this is of all things i can think of. young people do a lot of stupid things. is totally beyond stupidity. you don't so-called your own body for the rest of your life. this is just horrible. look at that young girl setting herself, putting a flame on herself. this guy in the bathtub.
they are screaming and yelling. obviously if that mother were in any of yours courts or your prosecution shield be in deep trouble. thank you both. wild protests at the u.s./mexico border. new trouble protesters are taking on the police. arizona sheriff is here to tell you next.
gutted that, what would be a class one misdemeanor for trespassing. what it did keep was the requirement for all arizona law enforcement to, if we have a reasonable suspicion to believe somebody is in the the united states illegally we are required by the law, we are compelled to ask that question and then we are required to call ice and say hey, this is what we have here and then they determine what's to be done. so, i wish that just like happened in tucson, what happened all across the country but it's not. >> all right. so what makes this up reasonable suspicion to think someone is annual alien unlawfully present. i know if you have a valid arizona, valid enrollment
card that's sufficient to prove that you are here lawfully. >> yes. >> what would give rise to a reasonable suspicion that someone is alien and not lawfully present? it would be another other factors somebody doesn't speak english. a number of 10 passengers in the vehicle. my deputies encounter this all the time. the clues would be obvious to a regular citizen, never mind a deputy. so, the troubling part of this is that when we do call ice, what they say is well, the person has been here five years, nothing confirming or finding out or verifying this treat them as any other citizen and then we release them. that's where the law, where 1070, the supreme court has ruled this sin harntly the federal government's duty. but the president has
undermined the rule of laugh. it is his responsibility but there are no consequences there are no enforcement of the law. that's what he swore an oath to is to faithfully execute the laws that have been passed by this congress. >> the protesters, what they object to is the people being stopped and then turned over to ice but the problem that i see is that under the law it says that you shall make an effort if you have a reasonable suspicion and shall, doesn't say may be or may. and i think the if people don't like it they should change the law. shall shall be changed to may or whatever. supreme court kept that in there and we are required to enforce the law like we do on any other citizen. >> sheriff, nice to talk to you, thanks for joining us. >> thank you, greta. listen to this. texas governor rick perry calling mexican drug cartels narcoterrorists, governor rick perry is sending
national guard to the border. governor perry talking to our own fox news neil can cavuto in defending this plan. >> he said what you are doing is a political stunt. what do you think? you say the same thing to him that i say to president obama. come on down there and take a look what's going on. talk to the mother and the father and the family ever the border patrol agent who was killed by an individual look them in the eye and tell them it's a political stunt. i will tell you we will do what we have to do in the state of texas to protect our citizens. harry reid needs to try that on. political panel is back. nina easton, "the washington examiner" betsy woodruff and stephan. governor perry sending those national guard down, the president had had a chance to go down to the border. he tee kind. he is going to come back next week and sign executive order. so immigration back on the
front page and, of course, a whack at senator harry reid. what's interesting though is of course the situation politically looks very different than it did just a few months ago when the immigration rights advocates were on the offensive. they thought they had momentum even if they weren't going to get a bill through in congress they had a lot of pressure on president obama. the border surges that changed that around. the polling shows the public is more worried about border security than it is about getting legalization of illegal immigrants already in the country. republicans believe they are on the offensive on their. democrats and immigrant right groups are actually playing defense. what the president, i'm actually not sure that the president does go for the broad sort of legalization, tentative legal status that it a lot of of the advocates think he will because this has changed the situation so much. it's underscored. not just a border problem. it's an immigration problem and enforcement problem in the u.s. that's what this underscores. >> betsy, why is the president coming back from the vacation for a day to do this if is he going to sign some executive order? he is in martha's vineyard
and a he says he can work there why is he coming back. >> optics is better if he is in washington, d.c. than on vacation. >> optics of him shooting pool instead of going to the border isn't good. optics of him playing golf in march that's vineyard. one trip to the white house on a taxpayer's dime to sign something isn't attractive. >> i wish i had inside on that. definitely a little baffling. these guys clearly aren't optic experts. harry reid saying that governor perry taking advantage of this border crisis for political benefit. if governor perry does his job properly it's going to help him politically. good policy should be good politics. the case in texas i think that's what we're seeing unfold. >> governor perry running in 2016, do you know? >> absolutely. it's funny, because we came out of 2012 thinking this guy is dumb. i'm thinking dumb like a fox. he set it up so the optics looked really bad for obama. perry visiting the border. obama not visiting the
border. perry taking control of the situation with the national guard. the white house losing control. the other thing that he has been doing is going around to states on non-immigration issue. states like maryland right here and california. and luring businesses away he is not just taking on barack obama. he has been in rising democratic star martin o'malley's territory saying your taxes are insane. come to texas. and having some success at it. >> panel, thank you very much. it's going to be a wild 2016 by all means. anyway, thank you. this is a fox news alert. the pentagon is now saying an evacuation mission to refugees mountaintop is far less likely. a team of u.s. special ops is going to mount sinjar to assess the situation. according to press secretary kirby the team found there are far fewer refugees on the mountain because of
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another five days. israel responded with force of its own, a couple of air strikes here in northern gaza, one of them about 500 yards behind us shook this building. again, no word of damages or injuries, but we did have tragedy strike here in gaza earlier today. an italian journalist was killed. first member of the foreign press that died during this conflict. 5-year-old simone kamile. photographer and translator with the associated press. the engineers were trying to disarm an unexplotedded ordinance reportedly an israeli missile. the journalists were there to cover it there was an explosion and that left six dead and several wounded. amid this chaos and carnage, there was also a celebration this evening. a man and his fiancee who both lost their homes in the early days of the conflict decided to go ahead and get married. the ceremony was held outside a u.n. school, which is now serving as a refugee camp. hundreds of people turned out, dancing, clapping, taking pictures, celebrating life despite this deepening
humanitarian crisis, greta. this was, by far, the happiest day we have seen and the most smiles we have seen in the past couple of weeks. >> rick, thank you. up next, hear from the man on this video randomly punch and slammed to the ground by a total stranger. a complete thug. when you run a business, you can't settle for slow.
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i was coming home, listening to music. next thing i know somebody slammed into the side of my head and i was on the ground. >> a sucker punch leaving him lay on the ground. the random assault happening in broad daylight. in usually safe village. >> randomly select someone like that is terrible. >> devastating somebody i really love. i mean, that was -- i had tears coming out of my eyes. >> this attack is not new. senseless attacks like this one dominating headlines for months. the attacks random and sometimes caught on video for the world to see. >> and now another vicious attack no reason just cruel and violent. >> considering everything that could have happened to me, i feel very lucky. >> the nypd hoping the video will lead to the arrest of the suspect. the victim remains in the hospital and you will love. this a hero cop routine traffic stop turned out to be anything but routine and
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investigation. murdered and stuck in a suitcase at ritzy were in bali. the victim a 62-year-old chicago woman. now under arrest the victim's teenage daughter and the daughter's boyfriend. northeast to the midwest in nebraska. cameras rolling as the floodwaters barreling through doors. ebola killing another health worker in africa. a doctor sierra leon. meanwhile in the united states husband of recovering aid worker says wife is getting stronger. they are both being treated for ebola at atlanta hospital. that's tonight's speed read. thank you for being with us. see you tomorrow night at 7 p.m. eastern. reminder just getting home and tuning in before bill o'reilly, pick up dvr remote and set a series recording for "on the record" each night so you don't miss one of our shows. right now go to gretawire.com and answer this question. should the u.s. do whatever
♪ carnage at, yet another u.n. schoolhousing refugees in gaza. >> the third time they have bombed the u.n.-run school. >> the state department was appalled by the disgraceful shelling outside the school. >> there can be no question of the state identity? >> no, absolutely, no. >> there was encouraging news about an american doctor infected with ebola. >> i can't think of a better place in the world, other than emory university hospital, to care for this patient.
>> the plane has picked up the second ebola patient to go to georgia. >> congress has left the building. leading the president promising to go solo on the humanitarian crisis at the border. >> so that's not disagreement between me and the house of republicans. that is a green light between the republicans and the house of republicans. >> what are you going to do about it? >> i think congress has to sit down and have a serious look at this constitutional and that includes that "i" word we don't want to say. >> i think it would be foolish to discount the possibility. >> mitch mcconnell and his allison lundergan crimes. >> if mitch mcconnell were a tv show. he would be mad men. he is stuck in 1968 and ending this season! ♪ >> it's monday, august 4th. lewis on set. >> on set nicole wallace and
managing editor of news website bobby ghosh and columnist for "the new york times" david ignatius. what are you a columnist of? >> the news keeps getting worse and worse and worse. you have netanyahu saying to us, mind your own business. he tells kerry that. and then the news that happens after that. my god. shows we can't mind our own business. >> you have two sides clearly we will talk about, obviously, most in the morning, but two sides and neither side has someone with the courage to stand up' say let's figure out how to end this. >> seven-hour truce is under way in the gaza strip. israeli is pulling back on its ground operations while leaving the door open to further strikes against the militants. on sunday an israeli missile strike killed ten people at a
u.n. school, where thousands of civilians were taking cover from the fighting of the attack which was apparently aimed aat a passing motorcycle who left dozens of palestinians injured. it also sparked intense criticism from the international community, including the state department, that's something that doesn't usually happen towards israeli, which said the united states is, quote -- this is very strong language coming out of the united states state department -- appalled by the disgraceful shelling. the u.n. went further calling the israeli action, quote, a moral outrage and a criminal act. israeli's continued air campaign fell over last week's broken cease-fire and after that truce collapsed, prime minister benjamin netanyahu reportedly sold senior america officials, quote, not to ever second-guess me again. meanwhile, germany's leading newspaper says israeli intelligence agencies
eavesdropped on secretary of state john kerry and his phone conversations during last year's peace negotiations. over the weekend, an israeli soldier initially thought to be captured was confirmed killed. one of 64 troops and three civilians to die in the four weeks of war. so, mike, it's very difficult -- very difficult for the united states to just sit back and even for strong supporters of israeli to just say, here's your blank check. go off and do whatever you want to do. which is what basically they are asking us to do and the most extreme members of the pro israeli crowd are asking us to do that we can never ask a question and when you have what happened again with the attack, you have the continued images of young children being pulled out of rubble dead. i'm sorry. we have to ask that question.
>> you not only have to ask that question, but you also have to wonder about the extent of where we are going when you have the prime minister of israeli basically telling the united states, secretary of state as well as the president of the united states and congress of the united states, don't ever second-guess me again. >> leave us alone. >> yeah. >> i don't think it's that simple. bobby? >> it's not just us. other countries are doing the same thing. just before i came on, the chinese foreign minister is in cairo and he has gone even further than any american politician to say israeli must lift the blockade. when china speaks, countries these days take that seriously. >> let's find out what going up to the moment by bringing in nbc foreign correspondent richard engel who is live in gaza. richard, can you give us than up to the moment update right now? use good morning to all of you. right now, there is this partial truce in place. it seems that israeli agreed to this under pressure, after all
of the criticism, particularly the united states, israeli most powerful ally, this is a chance for palestinians, in large parts of the gaza strip, to go fishing, go to the market, check on their homes, a lot of their homes are destroyed. but it doesn't apply to all of the gaza strip in the southern region, particularly around rafa there is still an ongoing battle and israeli troops deep into territory and this truce is only supposed to last for another couple of hours. after that, there is questions about a diplomatic solution. will there be a way out of this diplomatically? there is an egyptian delegation in cairo working with them and they are waiting to see if israeli will send its own delegation. the palestinian demand, as bobby was just talking about, is to lift the siege of the gaza strip
and that would be something that both israeli and egypt would have to agree to and exchange or wants or guarantees that it won't see more rocket fire, that hamas won't arm, that it won't use supplies coming into the gaza strip to reinstruct those tunnels that israeli spent the last month destroying. >> let me ask you a question. i saw yesterday something on my twitter feed al jazeera editorial and just an absolutely blistering attack of israeli's neighbors for continuing to stand strongly, side-by-side with israeli. this is, of course, something that we just haven't seen since 1948 where you have literally all of hamas' neighbors from egypt, obviously, for good reason right now with egypt, but egypt, saudi arabia, united arab emirates and go around to jordan. all standing side-by-side with
israeli and all against hamas. what type of impact does that have on how much leeway israeli thinks they have right now? >> reporter: well, i think that is probably the biggest difference in this war than? the other two wars we have seen here in the last several years. a couple of years ago, hamas was in a very different position. the muslim brotherhood and hamas is an offshoot of the muslim brotherhood, was on the rise across the arab world. it was in power in egypt and things were looking very good for hamas. it had a lot of friends and it had a lot of support. the islamic movements have taken a beating and no longer popular with large in the arab world. groups like isis and syria have given the islamic movements a very bad name. the military ruler in charge of
egypt is even a bigger brotherhood than perhaps israeli is. i think that is one of the reasons israeli felt so confident that now was the time to go after these tunnels, to launch a long campaign, and we're seeing, right now, as you were suggesting, the western allies, united states, europe, even china, not a western ally, but a major power, that are coming out and criticizing israeli even before the arab states are coming out and criticizing. >> richard engel, thank you very much. david ignatius, how strange is it that the united states and america's european allies are now the ones being critical of these strikes that appear to be to the, you know, just say the observer on tv looking at one u.n. school after another being bombed, to be indiscriminate, while you actually have israeli's arab neighbors standing shoulder-to-shoulder with them even through the worse
of the attacks. why? >> well, hamas, which has been the dominant power in gaza among the palestinians, is, in fact, very unpopular in the arab world. and that is one reason that israeli felt that it wanted and needed free rein to go after hamas missile placements and other weapons in gaza. the u.s., when it moved toward a quick cease-fire, secretary of state kerry turned to hamas' only two friend in the region, turkey and qatar, to try to negotiate that. that is what infuriated israeli a week ago. and led kerry down a path that was just exposed into a lot of criticism. more recently, he has been doing something i think your viewers should think about. he is trying to figure out a way to help prime minister netanyahu find a way out of this conflict by empowering, not hamas, but
the moderate palestinians under president mahmoud abbas, by bringing the palestinian authority into gaza as the governing authority, which could be a very different situation, would offer the promise, over time, of some demilitarization of hamas and where is the action is now and where the peace conference is about now. keep your eye on that. >> bobby, what i have seen as the greatest strategy over the past several weeks and had some morons attacking me and i can call them that, morons attacking me online saying i'm not pro israeli, i've been pro israeli since a lot of these blowingers were getting their you know what wiped by their mothers wiped. just how isolated and on the run hamas was before all of this began where you did have all of the arabian states against them. you also had the palestinian authority against them. you had them running to the
palestinian authorities to make a deal of convenience just to stay alive as a political force and now this has happened. as david just said, other than turkey and qatar, they have no friends in the region and nobody they can talk to. also, as you pointed out, nobody else that can help strike a deal. >> that's the problem. in the past, when you had conflicts like this, it would rage for a few days and then egypt would go in, not just the muslim brotherhood. even before that when mubarak was running egypt he had leverage over hamas and go in there and knock heads together' bring peace even if it was temporary. no longer that way. sicily is very anti-hamas and all of israeli neighbors are anti-hamas. qatar and turkey are sort of speaking for hamas but they are new to this and not their traditional role.
they are distant and ideological nowhere close to hamas. it's clear, as we saw last week when the cease-fire broke down, hamas doesn't listen to turkey and to qatar. >> i have to jump in. we have sat here i think seven minutes speaking as hamas as a nation. they are a terrorist organization. our government has designated hamas as a terrorist organization. we spent eight minutes talking about what they do and israeli does as though they are two armies sponsored by a nation who should be treated equally. they are not. hamas is a terrorist organization so the tragic and heart breaking deaths of civilians is on the hands of hamas who embeds their weaponry in schools. hamas put the weapons in schools. when we sit here and talk about these actions we can't ignore hamas actions and hamas are not a nation! >> first of all, two points. hamas was actually elected by gaza to run gaza. >> they are a political party but they are a designated terrorist group.
>> i agree with you and you know i know they are a terrorist group and i have said unambiguously they are a terrorist group and said that israeli uses mills to protect people and hamas uses people their missiles. that said, if somebody is holding a gun to the head of a 5-year-old -- >> which nobody has done. >> no. hamas is doing it. >> right. >> right now. they are using little children as human shields. do um shoot through the 5-year-old to get hamas when there is not even a great chance it will get hamas. hamas is not going to be destroyed by what is going on -- who is being destroyed, 5-year-old and 6-year-old and 7-year-old children. >> of course. that is always -- >> of course, i know -- >> congress can't have this happen without -- >> let me ask you. would the united states of america be firing into places where day after day after day after day after day 5 and 6 and
7-year-old babies were being pulled out of rubble? would they? >> we don't but after 9/11 when we were attacked by a terrorist organization we went into afghanistan and targeted the terrorist group, the taliban. >> yes, we did. >> we know and on this show a lot of attention gets paid to inadvertent and tragic death of civilians. >> inadvertent and tragic, but when it's happening every day, it's not as inadvertent and tragic as it is when the united states has done it. >> the reason the arab nations are silent, they understand better than i think we do in this country, the tactics of ma' hamas. >> the biggest reason, the arab nations, i would think -- >> a shared enemy. >> -- is they are afraid they will end up in cairo. >> hamas is aligned with the people who took out kurdish towns in iraq. >> they don't share the same values but a lot of these arab states don't share our values either so let's be careful about
that. yes, it's clear hamas is a terrorist group. they have been for a long time. but every time there has been this conflict between israeli and hamas, it has only ended one way -- with peace negotiations. the question now is who is going to make those negotiations happen? john kerry has been trying for a couple of weeks, no success. qatar and turkey have been trying, no success. who is going to bring them to the table? >> nicole, my only point a month ago hamas was dying on the vine. they were isolated and dying on the vine. >> exactly. >> the israelis have played into their hands and every time a 5-year-old girl, 6-year-old girl, every time a grandmother is blown up in a public market, every time they blow up a u.n. school when the u.n. says 17 times this is a u.n. school. >> i agree with you. >> who does that help? who does that help? that terrorist group you're talking about, the terrorist group we all hate. that's my only point. let's go to al hunt. poor john kerry.
he gets kicked around, you know? even netanyahu now is saying leave us alone. i don't think that is going to happen any time soon, do you? >> no, i don't. i want to go back to david's point, because i think that is relevant here, which is that if this very, very difficult dicey situation could be improved by the palestinian authority taking over gaza, netanyahu has got to deliver something to the palestinian authority. in the past, he really hasn't been willing to do that and i'd love to get david's view on this. is he willing to give up something? because i don't think he can just say, why don't you good guys or better guys rather go and run gaza now. he has got to give them something on the west bank and go much further than he is wanting to do before. >> david, wasn't there an opportunity for him just to pay the salaries of civil servants that hamas could no longer pay, that could have averted a lot of this disaster and they fused to
even do that? >> joe, the question of how mahmoud abbas and palestinian authority would play more role in running gaza i think is the big issue that is now before prime minister netanyahu and kerry is trying to put it there. netanyahu has to decide after these weeks of war, the images that have been so disturbing to people, how does this thing end in a way that leaves israeli more secure that doesn't just mean you'll have to go back and fight another war two years from now? secretary kerry is saying if you can figure out a structure where the palestinian authority replaces hamas as the governing authority in gaza, you will leave israeli and the palestinians safer and more secure over the long run. and i think kerry is going to push netanyahu -- don't second-guess me and don't tell me what to do, but the truth is the u.s. can be helpful to israeli now in trying to figure out a way to move from this awful status quo into something new. >> how much do we give israeli
every year? >> 2.7, 2.5 billion. >> it's close to 3 billion dollars. >> what is your point? >> my point is -- i mean, it's an interesting idea. get the palestinian authority more or fatah more power in gaza. do we think hamas is going to roll over and let that happen now that they have essentially been -- i mean, empowered in some ways. do we think they will simply just let that happen? traditionally they have taken a very dim view. >> they have taken a dim view. they have just proved to be the most disastrous leaders. they have done for their own good what the muslim brotherhood did in egypt, where they did more damage to their own cause trying to run a country than we could have ever done. look at the numbers up on the screen. you know what? i voted for support for israeli every year. and i would continue to vote for support for israeli every year. but we pay $3.1 billion a year in foreign aid to israeli. we pay $504 million for the iron
dome. $121 billion since world war ii. and, of course we are their biggest supporter. i will tell you we need to be, with the anti-semitism sweeping across europe right now, which is absolutely revolting, even coming out of germany, of all countries. >> france. >> out of france. it is disgusting. it is revolting. the anti-semitism is sickening and we are going to talk about that later on. i'm glad the united states of america is there to be israeli's staunchest defender but, hey, we should be able to have a dialogue with a country we pay over $3 billion a year to every year. don't tell us not to give our opinion. that's something we like to do on "morning joe." coming up, other people who will be giving their opinion, mike murphy and campbell brown is going to be here. my twitter feed, which i rarely read, but this weekend, i was on
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the initial warning went out saturday when the governor of ohio issued a state of emergency deeming the water supply off limits after tests reveals the preserve of toxin related to and thissy on lake erie that sent 400,000 residents in parts of ohio and michigan scrambling to stock up on drinking, cooking, and paging water. the telegraph. a new study suggests playing video game may be good for children. i don't believe that. according to a research out of oxford university, kids who play electronic games up to one hour daily on more sociable. they say is provides children with more cognitive challenges giving them more value than watching tv but that study was prepared by people who don't have children. >> where do they find kids that do not do play games? do such people exit? >> run outside. i think that might be a little better for them.
>> no kidding. from the independent. a fisherman in china caught a 16-foot long whale shark weighing more than two tons. the fisherman who appeared to be unaware that the shark was endangered said it died after getting caught in a fishing net and the unbelievable photo. the man can be seen transporting the enormous fish on a tractor to a market to be sold. sharks are the largest living fish and can live up to 100 years old. >> nobody will notice this if i drive through town. the loip"los angeles times." the disney marvel blockbuster raked in $94 million as the biggest opening weekend ever for any film in the month of august. globally it was even bigger. "galaxy" took in 160 million worldwide. >> it's a coore toon.
who is going to see this movie around this table? >> no one. >> bobby, are you? >> i am. anything sci-fi, i'll see it. >> you'll see is three times, thus the big box office. "transformer age of distinction." that has now surpassed a $1 billion mark. the first movie to reach that point in 2014. >> bobby, are you going to watch that? >> i did. worst of the transformer movies and still made a billion dollars. >> we need you on as our movie critic. the personality of the u.s. has changed drastically the past two decades. "the journal" partly sunny out in 1990 manufacturing was dominant as the country's biggest developer. the map shows where the industries were the highest states were. manufacturing in yellow. see that? now look at last year. you know what the blue prepar ?
represents? >> where health care is the top industry. let's flip back to that other map. you want to see a dying economy? there you go. manufacturing. >> what was orange? >> yellow. >> retail. >> these are the biggest employers. in the yellow you had states that were actually making things and selling things across the world in 1990. now let's go to blue and these health care, which we all know, that money comes from the federal government, for medicare and medicaid and those are the top employers. >> the disappearance of those states marked in yellow in 1990 also represent demographic dynamite, people 45 to 60 years of age working in factories and plants making things in the 1990s, gone! jobs gone. plants are gone overseas.
demographic dynamite. >> not good news. turning now to the middle east. the palestinian deputy prime minister says reconstruction of gaza is going to cost at least $6 billion. israeli's military operations there have displaced 500,000 as they force to eliminate weapons and stockpiles. the tunnel network used by hamas militants also trying to be destroyed. with us now is dr. gold a senior foreign policy adviser to prime minister benjamin netanyahu. doctor, thank you for being with us. let's begin what happened over the weekend. obviously, there was an attack on that u.n. facility that has got condemnation worldwide. the united nations and even the united states speaking out against these attacks. what is your response to those attacks? >> well, let's be very clear. israeli does not target u.n.
facilities and israeli does not target civilians. back in 2009, the united nations human rights council alleged that israeli was deliberating striking at civilians. a commission called the gold stone commission was put together. it reflected that view as well. finally, gold stone in "the washington post" in 2011 wrote israeli does not do that. it doesn't target civilians. we are seeing a loss of life. we have to figure out why that's occurring and we have to figure out where the blame lies. but it is not with the israeli defense forces. >> david? >> dr. gold, when the unity agreement between mahmoud abbas' fatah movement and hamas was announced last april, prime minister netanyahu denounced it. even though language submerged from that that would install the palestinian authority under abbas as the new governing
authority in gaza, and i'm wondering, you think prime minister netanyahu might change his position enough to allow that p.a. governing authority to have some clout? >> well, david, here is the dilemma and the hope. excuse me? >> go ahead. [ speaking in foreign language ] okay. >> did we lose him? >> communications difficulty with dr. gold in israeli? >> all right. thanks, t.j. we had a big international -- that was going make some news and he pressed the chopper 4 button. we really appreciate that. do we have him back yet? t.j.? way to go, t.j.
i swear to god. we have got to find him. seriously? >> joe, i want an answer to that question. >> i know. >> i want an answer to that question too. >> it was coming, i think. >> t.j. pressed the wrong button. it's like when i said a word on the air accidentally. >> did he get it in time? >> here it is. >> show me the seven-second delay. do you have it there, t.j.? >> yeah, we have it. >> make sure you get that right and also if you can get the dori gold button right. i swear to god, how do we do the show with him? >> we want an answer to that question. we deserve an answer to that question. we bring in ignatius for a reason. >> i'll answer it and then we can send it to dore. >> you want to answer the question you asked? be like "hardball." >> not now. >> oh, no. somebody forgot your button. >> he got my button. i love chris matthews.
a great show. do we have the doctor back? >> i'm back. >> we thought there was either some malfeasance on the part of hamas or our director who is really not a really good director. so do you need david to ask you the question again, or can you answer it? >> david, give them the refresher on the question. >> it's about the reconciliation agreement? >> yes. dore, the simple question is moving forward now, would prime minister netanyahu be prepared to let the palestinian authority into gaza as the governing authority to empower it and its moderate members as a way of replacing hamas, even though that would mean accepting the hamas/fatah unity agreement? >> that's an excellent question. let me show you what the dilemma and opportunity is.
the dilemma is -- this has happened when abbas made his deal with hamas. we wanted to know whether that would lead to hamas becoming more moderate, willing to go along with diplomatic option and what, of course, happened is right afterwards, we had the attack on those three israeli teenagers who were killed by hamas and then the escalation of rocket fire. so it didn't seem that the agreement was moving hamas in a better direction. we have also seen, as i'm sure you're aware, iran has improved its relaegs with hamas. if you look at the recent communications between the two, it seems they are moving back in the direction of hamas. so the question is can the palestinian authority play a more positive role? one of the things that everybody is looking at is the whole area of the rafah crossing.
the egyptians will not open it up for trade if hamas is controlling the crossing. they are hoping that, of course, the palestinian authority will come in. >> mike barnicle? >> dr. gold, over the weekend, prime minister netanyahu was quoted as saying about the united states, don't ever second-guess me again. was that quote accurate and, if so, what does he mean? what is he referring to? >> you know, i saw that quote and it's a popular sport today in journalism to speculate about private phone calls and private conversations about the u.s. and israeli. i cannot verify that quote. it doesn't seem to make sense to me. >> all right. thank you so much, doctor. we greatly appreciate it. sorry for the transmission problems. hope to get you back soon. coming up next, rory mcilroy is back at it again with the world's top golf ranking at stake. we will show you how things
played out this weekend at the world championship of golf. did he walk off the course this time? see? >> back problem. >> oh, back problems. >> this is horrible. >> an absolute -- >> i can't watch it again. >> i can't watch this. an absolutely gruesome basketball injury this weekend. we will update you on paul george's condition in "morning joe" sports. joe theismann has nothing on him. ♪ i make a lot of purchases for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. like 50,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores. with ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. travel, gift cards, even cash back. and my rewards points won't expire. so you can make owning a business even more rewarding. ink from chase. so you can.
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or pout or anything like that? >> tiger? >> no, rory. >> he is the best golfer in the world right now and he is going to remain the best golfer in the world right now because of tiger woods and what happened. playing in next weekend's pga championship, woods reaggravated the back injury that sidelined him for 11 weeks. >> you notice everything is falling apart on tiger? i mean, it just is. you know who else has things falling apart on them? >> who? >> people who are juiced up and then get off the juice. >> we are not necessarily saying -- >> i'm not necessarily saying that tiger was juiced up even though he is really, really big and when he came back from his, quote, injury, he was like two club lengths down and now everything is falling a part on him. i would never, ever suggest that tiger woods was juiced. i just wouldn't do that. >> he has a bad back. >> he just has a bad back. >> look the way he is walking there. >> he is older and everything is just falling apart on him.
i think that just naturally happens when you swing a golf club. >> he is not playing golf for a while. >> no, he's not. >> old people golf. >> but if you are juiced. >> it hurts? >> and you get off the juice, you fall apart. of course, i'm not talking about tiger woods. why would anybody suspect that tiger woods was ever juiced? >> right. >> it's just like lance armstrong. >> we saw what happened -- >> i never saw that coming. >> really good? >> no. what are we doing here? sergio garcia? >> no one cares about golf. >> i'm not saying that tiger was juiced. that physique he had looking like hulk hogan? >> don't show that. you'll get sick. >> i'll spit it out and it will be good tv. >> paul george begins his
recovery today after suffering an injury on friday in las vegas. he immediately went successful injury but the injury will likely cost the pacers star their all-star forward the entirety of next season and no doubt respark debate over whether nba players should participate in international competition. we are not going to show it. >> there is a lot of baseball but we have these fools in the control room who think the preseason football is more important than baseball. >> do we not have baseball? the yankees, red sox? >> how could we not have traded clay buchholz? >> this is why you're so grumpy today? >> that is one of the reasons. >> mike, we trade everybody. why were we trading everybody? >> we traded everybody to build immediately for the future. >> are we going to get lester back next year? >> i'd say it's 50/50 red sox re-sign him. >> i think i'm pulling for the a's now. >> you have to pull for oakland. >> i've been there.
i like the a's. they are nice. >> you smoked a lot of dope when you went to berkeley, didn't you? >> oh, my god. what would that ever have to do with the a's? >> you just talked. let's get it out on the table now. >> i am a mother now! >> how much dope did you smoke when you went to berkeley? >> let me say uc-berkeley, it's easier to get pot than alcohol and it's really easy to get alcohol. >> yeah. is that your way of saying i smoked a lot of pot? >> no, i'm not. i'm just describing the climate wh where i went to college. >> would you say this time if you ever got back into government, yes, i smoked massive quantities of pot? >> it's not true. i did not. >> you didn't smoke pot? >> i did end up a republican at the end of college, though. >> did you smoke spot when you were at berkeley? coming up next, the must read opinion pages.
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♪ op-eds. princeton university law professor writes on al jazeera. while israeli talks about rockets and tunnels, its massive military operation is being increasing interpreted as punitive and directed not only at hamas but at palestinians generally. second punitive motivation and more explicitly endorsed is a punishment directed to palestinians in general. for daring to form a unity government back in early june and crushing hamas is seen as a way to make palestinians submit to the permanence of occupation. the abysmal failure of the kerry induced talks shows that israeli has lost all interest to promise the palestinians a sovereign state at the end of the road. bobby ghosh, you're shaking your
head. >> yeah. listen. the so-called unity government was really never going to unite it very long. hamas was weakened, greatly weakened but the differences between hamas and fatah is so great and the animosity between them is so great. not that long ago, hamas was off the roof of buildings and hamas to fall and die on the street below. so, i mean, this unity government, you know, i wouldn't trust it as far as i could thit >> it was hamas that came crawling to the palestinian authority. >> they needed some cover. >> they were so unpopular. 80% of the people in gaza were against them. >> yes. >> david ignatius, they were failing and they were collapsing. >> they were failing. i would just note for your viewers that dori gold said something very interesting from israeli from the interview that
was interrupted. remember when you talked about control of the rafah crossing, which is the crossing from egypt into gaza, and that controlled, he implied being given over to the palestinian authority and mahmoud abbas people, as opposed to hamas. it's my understanding that is precisely the proposal that secretary kerry is working hardest on now and it would be a significant change because it would give the kind of financial leverage in that key passage to the p.a., not to hamas, so keep your eyes on that. bobby, i know the reasons to be suspicious of this, but if this piece of it came through, it would actually move the ball a little bit. >> it's true. >> david, the polls in israeli show 86% support for prime minister netanyahu, basically, saying go get hamas, kill them, we don't care what happens. what kind of a factor is that in delaying, delaying, delaying any sort of accord here? >> netanyahu has to decide how is this going to end? he is quite popular now.
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here is a question. people get asked this question multiple times. >> the president will be asked this question. >> first question in the press conference, how hard is it to complete a rubik's cube? anthony brooks, a guy with a lot of time on his hand apparently, accomplished that. set a new guinness book world record. he only started the rubik's cube in one day. he needs to get a job. it apps a fawn got pretty attached. >> we are moving it out of the way so it doesn't get smashed by a tree. we started rubbing its belly and
when we put it down, it freaks out until we start rubbing his belly again. [ screaming ] >> that be good. >> i got to sit you down. it does not want to go. do it again. [ screaming ] >> we have spoiled a wild deer. >> are you serious? >> i just wonder if he is going to be able to do his job with lyme's disease. >> beyond baseball. >> he is going to have lyme's disease. >> i want to send that guy a kitty or a puppy, right? >> way to go, t.j. we cut him off for that. all right, listen, i swear it will get better. coming up at the top of the hour, the house is in recess.
we are no closer to a deal on immigration or anything. will this force the president's hand to take executive action again? even though the republicans ask him to take executive action on immigration reform, will they then try to impeach him for doing what they asked him to do? plus, how does this impact the presidential hopefuls in the republican party? this mitt romney thing keeps going. did you see this? like everybody is saying, mitt needs to run. mike murphy joins the conversation next. >> thank god. >> the most dangerous political prognosticator in all of america. he's here and he is on "morning joe." ♪
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>> there you go. >> not getting much better. welcome back to "morning joe." mike barnicle and nicole wallace still with us and al hunt. with us at the table while the republicans should move quickly for impeachment proceedings against president obama, columnist for "time" magazine, mike murphy. also in washington nbc news white house chief correspondent and host of "the daily rundown," chuck todd. mike murphy, why can't they just say no way? when the question of impeachment is brought up. >> it's a little bit like the kid and the light socket. >> can we waterboard them? is it okay? >> it's not torture. >> it's not. they will be the first to say it's not torture. >> now that nobody has a swing district any more, the whole game is the primary. >> right. >> everywhere. so that is the frequency everybody is tuned into. >> impeachment, impeachment, impeachment. >> it feels like winning.
that is the problem. they get together and there is free coffee, you know? the problem is strategically if we are ever going to get outside the minority in a presidential race, we have to change some stuff and the incentives kid in a light socket, don't put your finger in the light socket. zap. >> there it is. whoever runs for president down the road, damaged by it. mike, what do we have? >> we have the big immigration hot button, putting your finger in a socket. president obama will take several more weeks before taking executive actions. house republicans to limit the president's power to delay deportation. the bill doesn't have much support in the action. the lack of action has some republicans floating impeachment, a welcome topic for democrats, welcome to drive the president's supporters to the polls. >> i think congress has to sit down and have a serious look at the rest of this constitution and that includes that "i" word
we don't want to say and i say that only on this program because i want to encourage the president, please don't put america into a constitutional crisis. >> you don't really think impeachment is possible? >> when the house takes an unprecedented step to sue the president of the united states for -- and even though he is issuing executive orders more than a hundred years, i think it's foolish to discount the possibility. >> brand-new nbc polls say americans are not happy with congress' job performance. wow that is news. 74% say congress has not been able to get anything done and 1 in 5 say congress is somewhat productive. we want to know who the 1 is. a fraction think they are productive. a clear divide which americans would like to see in control after the midterms. by a slim margin registered voters would like to see republicans regain control of the senate from democrats and stay in power in the house. >> mike murphy, it's a race to the bottom.
the president has low approval ratings. you look in those states where he has low approval ratings in the red states and republicans have even lower approval ratings. >> it's 1916. when do we run out of bullets and grind the thing down in a sea of blood? it's horrible. it is the nature of our politics because everything is based politics. the problem for the party -- i think far more likely to win the senate but what happens if we do and get the big microphone set up for the 16 where everything is at stake including the senate again. >> i ask you as a republican consultant, what are the republicans and the house stand for? what have they done other than investigate and say no? what have they done? that what is their pro active piece of legislation to get america back to work? >> oo they would say they pass good budget stuff but if you would -- fundamentally, here is what we are against. >> it's resentment. >> yeah. that is the question of 16.
do we run the resentment campaign or how do we fix america? >> if we run the resentment campaign in 2016, we lose 6 out of 7. >> which would beat the washington generals because their losing streak was 24. we tie them. >> we, right now, on the national scale, chuck todd, the republicans are kind like the washington generals and reminds me of clancy, the clown, how could you bet against the harlem globetrotters? i thought the generals were due. the republicans are due but they are not going to get anything done as long as this continues. i mean, talking about impeachment? i mean, nobody is seriously talking about impeachment in the republican party, but these yahoos go on sunday shows and they get attention. >> by the way, so the white house is in cahoots with roger and chris wallace to get steve king on fox.
you couldn't have played into the white house's hands more. i think the white house would love if everybody booked steve king 24 hours a day, because he is one of those guys, but it's in a fringe part of the house republican conference that is talking about it. but there he is going out there bringing it up and making dan pfeiffer say, see, i told you. and then be able to say, hey, john boehner, he can't control his own conference, so he may be taking it off the table, but, you know, his own members won't take it off the table. so we do, you know, you may think we are just being chicken little about this but, hey, see, there is that guy two weeks in a row now, fox has put somebody on that won't take it off the table, but it does feel like a total base feeding frenzy here. you know, again, it's something i said on friday. as mike said, democrats have handed the senate potentially to the republicans on a silver platter. steve king and those guys are just knocking it over.
>> al hunt, you and i collectively have been covering politics since the cleveland administration. >> i was there in harrison, mike. >> yeah. can you recall, remember, think about a more dysfunctional political time in the last 30, 40, or 50 years than what we have right now, what we are enduring right now as the american public? >> no, i can't, mike. a simple answer. and i agree with what mike murphy said. i think this should be a republican year. they may be able to somehow just snatch it away. i'll go a step further than chuck todd. if i were the dnc or dnscc, i would pay for steve king to go all over america. i would put him in every single district. >> get him a plane, right? >> and denigrate him is just the fringe. he is the guy, along with ted cruz, who forced boehner to change on immigration. he's a guy that really resulted
in the house making a fool of itself. he's not an insignificant figure in that caucus. >> what do republicans do, nicole? we got chloroform, right? >> i think -- >> we have a back room meeting, steve, we want you to attend. >> i think you hope that maybe we don't go over the finish line. we don't take the senate, so that we can spend a couple of more years gathering ourselves around someone who hasn't had to make all of these compromises. i think you hope for a governor to carry dr. >> you're saying for us to win, we have to lose? >> i'm not able to trot out in these fancy campaigns like mike murphy is. >> i would go out and throw the senate. in '16, it's bad for us. we have a lot to defend in a bad year in '16. give us the big microphone. if we continue this stuff and
the country takes a look at this and say who are these people and take it down again. >> the question for anybody around the table is this. what do the republicans in washington, d.c. stand for? >> exactly. >> name the big thing they stand for, other than investigating the irs, which they should do, investigating the nsa, which they should do, investigating benghazi, do all of the investigations, that's fine, but you got to have two tracks! you got to have the people investigating but then you need legislation that will get america back to work! what is it? >> good day, they are not bad on fiscal stuff but they only have about two good days a week. >> because of paul ryan. >> al hunt? >> i think there are a number of republican ideas floating out there. paul ryan and marco rubio and rand paul but it gets overshadowed by the steve king's and all of that fringe element.
and look at the primaries this year. in mississippi and in georgia and in virginia, it was that immigration bashing that really, really took hold and helped some of those insurgent candidates and i think that may be good short-term politics for them but it's lousy long-term politics. >> what was your reaction, joe, when you saw the story over the weekend about senator ted cruz having 20 to 30 house republicans over to the senate side to his office to talk about immigration and basically to goat them or urge them to obstruct any further immigration legislation? >> i think that is ted cruz's right. i think the guys that have the voting cards or the women who have the voting cards have ultimate responsibility to do what they need to do. they don't need to hide behind ted cruz. you know, if they are not man enough or woman enough to go over and vote their conscience
and do what they think is best for themselves and best for their party and best for their country, then they are too weak to be in congress. everybody is trying to blame ted cruz right now. he's not the public master. they are looking for an excuse to be cowards and to go back to their district and not do anything. say, oh, we are standing up to barack obama and we're going to impeach him or we are investigating the irs and we are investigating benghazi. benefit ghazi, benghazi, benghazi. like you said they are not in swing districts and nobody saying my family has been out of work for eight month. my husband has a college degree and i have two kids that need to get into college. we don't have the money to do that. in fact, we have to put our house up for for sale. there is nobody has that to go there and talk about what middle class americans are suffering through right now. i will guarantee you that somebody whose father was out of
work for two years in the early 1970s, these people don't give a damn about benghazi right now. they care about getting back to work and getting food on their table, and getting their kids into college and hoping that their children will have a better life than they. >> what drives me crazy is the constant hammering of the face courage. how courageous is it to go home and tell only in your party base exactly what they want to hear? if i hear ted cruz talk about how courageous he is in washington. i don't blame him for going and playing politics in washington. that is part of equation and he is running for president. pretty simple. he will try to own these issues and now he might have to try to get through rick perry which will be tremendously fun to watch and off he goes. as far as getting anything done, we are not getting anything done. >> mike, such a great point. i was thinking about this weekend. all of these guys stand up and talk about the great courage they are showing. they are not showing korcourage. they are playing to 90% of what their people want them to do.
>> they are going home and basically saying, look, here is the plan. we are not going to govern. >> they are cowards. courage would be actually -- would actually be taking a chance on something that is not popular. >> a year ago i was always calling on ted cruz to resign in texas and move to michigan where we had an open seat in the swing state and run there and show how it's done. take his message to a swing state, put it all on the line. and never got a reply on that. >> let's talk about another state. congress kicks off its five-week vacation, folks. five weeks they are taking off. all eyes on the political world this weekend turned to the crucial senate race in kentucky. republican senator mitch mcconnell and democrat allison lundergan grimes met at the political fair in a rural town of fancy farm. candidates shared the stage in front of a record crowd and supporters from both sides looking on, red shirts for mcconnell and blue for grimes,
the 35-year-old democrat made her case against the 30-year veteran. >> what a huge crowd for senator mcconnell's retirement party! if mitch mcconnell were a tv show, he would be "mad men," treating women unfairly, stuck in 1968, and ending this season! when it comes to our students being able to afford college, mitchell mcconnell, well, he doesn't care! when it comes to being a woman and being treated qael equally here in the commonwealth of kentucky, well, mitchell mcconnell doesn't care! senator, you seem to think that the president is on the ballot this year. he's not. this race is between me and you and the people of kentucky while we attend to hold you accountable for your 30 years of failed leadership. >> was that the real mitchell mcconnell they are showing
there? >> it's time for the steel cage. i'm telling you. >> i would love to go to that event! >> he is going to beat her. i'll bet money. >> he was next. mcconnell was next on the stage and his speech linking grimes to one of the most unpopular figures in the democratic party. >> by any standard, barack obama has been a disaster for our country! that's what you get for electing someone with no experience. he was only -- he was only two years into his first job when he started campaigning for the next one. sound familiar? there was so much turmoil around the world, we can't afford a leader who thinks the west bank is a hollywood fund-raiser. there is only one way to begin to go in a different direction. that is to change the senate and make me the leader of a new majority to take america a different direction! >> senator mcconnell got a ten
in the mellow meter. that is so incredibly lame. kentucky senator rand paul was also at the event. earlier in the day -- >> hold on. before you hand out ten's on the lameo meter, okay? it's all -- you know, you got to see what rand paul said first. i think you'll bump mitch down to a 9 or an 8. >> really? >> because rand may have nailed that. >> i thought her -- mad men, get it? >> that was a good one. >> no, i don't think so. >> that's what i mean on the lameo meter. >> but for lameo meters. >> rank them. we have time, right? >> here is rand paul. >> let's hear rand paul. >> there once was a woman from kentucky who thought in politics she would be lucky, so they flew to l.a. for a hollywood bash. she came home in a flash with bucket of cash.
to liberals, she whispers coal makes you sick. in kentucky, she claims coal makes us tick. one thing that we know is true, one thing we know is guaranteed, she would cast her first vote for harry reid! >> ladies and gentlemen, i think we have a winner. ew. it's rand paul. >> what do you think? >> i want to hear from -- >> i was waiting for green eggs and ham is probably the big closer. yeah. there's a thing in hollywood as a hollywood conservative that conservatives use is "five more minutes. give it five more minutes. try a little harder." i wish i was there, though. >> that is quite a race going on down there, chuck todd. >> they might have as well as just done your mamma jokes. it might have been funnier and
they could have gone back and forth. you read these speeches as they prepared them. you wince just reading them and then listening to them, you're like, they are really delivering this on camera? really? they are going to be quoted saying these things? but, look. this is the -- you know, all of the other races, there's a bang shot here and constituency group there and a wedge issue here. not in this one, man. this one is so clear, it's sort of you know exactly -- we can explain exactly how each candidate wins if they win. if grimes win, that mcconnell experience business was too much. 30 years is too much, he can't do it. if he wins, coal was just too much for her to take. there wasn't enough democratic votes for her. there is no easier race in the country to handicap and we know exactly what -- by the way, the thing hasn't moved. this thing has been a one or two point race for six months and be that until election race. a great race. >> you think mcconnell is going
to win? >> yeah. i don't bet against mitch in fights in kentucky. election day it will come down to one thing. do they want to punish obama or mitch? they got to pick one and i think they are going to punish obama. >> all right. all right. . thank you so much, chuck todd. we will watch you at 9:00 eastern on "the daily rundown." al hunt, thank you for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. >> those lines make you miss the late, great -- >> genuinely funny is rare but it works. otherwise it's the lead and written stuff. ahead on "morning joe," second ebola patient set to return to the u.s. this week, we take a look at what the deadly virus could do if there is an outbreak in our country. how richard nixon was able to create the so-called new majority. douglas brinkley and pat buchanan with his new book on nixon, joins us at 8:00. a big name joins the fight
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♪ nearly 730 people are dead in what is being called the worst outbreak in ebola history. the virus continues to impact liberia, new beginy and nigeria and a doctor contracted the disease while doing missionary work in nigeria is back in atlanta where he is being treated at emeory university hospital in atlanta. kate, a lot of questions and a lot of concerns. get us up-to-date. what is going on? >> reporter: good morning, joe. the family of dr. brantly says
he is doing well, he is in good spirits here. they learned yesterday that he received some kind of experimental medicine back in liberia before he came here and that could be helpful. they are saying that he is getting the best quality care here but, in the meantime, people are a little nervous about his arrival. content brantley shocked a lot of people when he walked into the hospital with just a little support from a paramedic. >> ebola -- >> on "meet the press" the head of the krs for decease control defended the decision to bring him stateside for treatment. >> he is an american citizen and what our role in public health is make sure if an american is coming home with an infectious disease, we protect others so they don't spread it. >> they are very professional and know what they are doing but one mistake it's and all over. >> reporter: a sentiment popped up all over social media this weekend am i the only person who thinks it was a horrible idea? i've seen this movie. you were in the car behind the
ambulance? dr. alex isikoff was in that suv behind the ambulance. he says there is no risk to the public. >> if i had ebola and i was touching your hand, maybe you would be at risk for contracting it. if i coughed and sneezed in your face, you would be at risk for contracting it, but that's how it's transmitting. >> not from standing a room away from someone? >> absolutely. not from being in an ajissent room and not from casual communication. >> reporter: brantly's family has been talking to him through a partition. where the brantly's first met, a friend road their words. we are amazed and humble by the worldwide response in prayer by this crisis. we cannot share any news of kent's condition but please know we believe kent will be healed and that healing will come from the hand of god. the other american missionary who has ebola nancy writebol, is expected here possibly by tomorrow for treatment.
while peace corps volunteers are being evacuated out of west africa, interesting to note many african leaders have landed in washington and here for a summit with president obama. >> thank you, kate. appreciate it. with more on the ebola crisis, let's bring in dr. toby cosgrove. the president and ceo of the cleveland clinic. mike barnicle wants to know if he is going to get the ebola virus and be quarantined for six months. the question is we're reading a lot of story, a lot of hyperventilating and a lot of concerns about this coming to the united states. isn't it easier to catch the flu than the ebola virus? >> absolutely. everybody is concerned about the ebola virus particularly because it's very lethal but it's not highly contagious. the influenza virus is much more
contagious than ebola so i think we are at very little risk. you have to understand now that we are now in a global world and transportation has made a disease that happens in one part of the world part of the world's problems. we have seen that with sars and multiple other diseases. >> right. >> i think it's important that we are prepared through the cdc and other organizations in the united states to look after these sort of situations. >> so what do we do if we fly back from a country, people flying back from a country, a lot of people watch this show that travel internationally and have business on every continent. what do we do? wear 12 masks or something or not worry about that? what do we do? >> i don't think you have to worry on airplanes. what we are seeing people coming from south africa being scanned for temperatures when they come into the united states by the cdc. if that is the case they get quarantin
quarantined. the period of incubation for ebola is somewhere between six and 21 days. some people are coming back already and taking their temperature on a regular basis and if, in fact, they have a problem, they are going to be notified. going to notify authorities. so i think we have done a great job of the cdc in beginning to isolate this particular disease and quarantine really is the major therapy for this sort of an epidemic. in fact, there have been ten of these epidemics in africa since 1976, they have been quarantined in relatively rural areas and burned themselves out over time. the problem now that it's in the cities where there is little ability to qaruarantine an enti city. >> i know the peace corps is being arrived in evacuating peace corps workers around the world. i have a family member who lives
and works abroad. what do you do if you have family members or friends living and working abroad and you're not sure that they have access to the kind of health care that we have here? people like you, people that understand and now how these diseases spread. what are their best resources for working abroad? >> i think the main issue is right now in west africa and the three countries you talked about previously. it does not seem to be located outside of that particular area. unless you are in one of those three countries, i don't think you have a concern. >> mike barnicle? >> toby, are you at all concerned about the potential for hysteria and misinformation on social media? in kate snow's piece about people tweeting about these things with very little knowledge about what is going on and where it's going on. >> i think it is a concern, mike. we need to get the true information out about the issue. look at how well-prepared the cdc is, and understand about how this disease spreads, and make
people understand that the risk of this particular disease is very low, particularly the way it's being handled currently in the united states. >> toby, let me ask you a quick question about a "the new york times" article i saw yesterday in the magazine. some children are cured from autism. autism affects our family. got a child that has got asperberger's but i've noticed him improving over the years and i've been shocked by a lot of the improvements. i'm sure you read the article and i'm sure you know about the research. what is behind that, about some children actually being moved out almost off the autism spectrum? >> well, we have a school at the cleveland clinic of about a hundred students and we have been using this behavioral therapy now for 15 years. we see about 5% of the children who completely have their autism
symptomatology go away. about 25% of the students are able to be mainstreamed starting early on, say, at about age 2 by the time they get to kindergarten or first grade they are able to be mainstreamed into the schools with little or very little support. so, you know, there is -- this is now an accepted form of therapy. >> so what is the common denominator for the kids that beat autism? is it that you guys work extraordinarily hard and others work to mainstream them to impact their behavior to try to get them as much as in their own world and in social settings? how do you do it? >> a couple of things. the diagnosis needs to be made early and need to get to people early. secondly there appears to be a correlation between i.q. and your ability to recover and higher i.q.s do better at recovering than do other
children. it's very intensify therapy and 35 hours one-on-one a week with a child. it's very expensive. but it is the best hope that we have currently. >> all right. very good. thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it, dr. cosgrove and hope to see you again soon. >> my pleasure. coming up, campbell brown's fight against a teacher tenure gets a major boost. she is here to explain when "morning joe" returns. we will ask err about those nasty tweets too.
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majority to me. why are we blaming the teachers? maybe it's the dumb kid. ever thought about that? kids are rated effective, maybe cut the kids lose and put them back in the bobbin factories. isn't it about that? >> with us the founder of the partnership for educational justice, campbell brown. last week she appeared on the steps of new york's city hall to voice her support for a lawsuit that seeks to overturn new york state's archaic and teacher and tenure laws. mike barnicle, look. this is big. >> we need him at some point. >> i already do and talk to you afterwards. star trial lawyer david boies who will be the new chairman of the partnership for educational justice. "the new york times" reports about david in lining himself with a cause bitterly opposed to by teachers union he is emblem mattic between the democrats and teachers union. he viewed the cause of tenure
overhaul as, quote, pro-teacher. randy wine gartgardner told me will be on the show or at some point. her low point was turning on the show and seeing a bunch of liberals around me and all of them attacking what she is doing at the teachers unions. this is no longer a republican/democrat/conservative /liberal issue. a lot of democrats are concerned about what is going on. why did you decide to get involved in this hot button issue? >> i think education may be the most important issue we have in this country. i think it's a basic civil right. we started desegregating our schools based on race and now segregating our schools based on economics. we don't have effect education in this country and we need it. >> don't you consider this to be, like, one of the civil
rights issues? making sure that an african-american kid or in the bronx or harlem has a shot at education as saying my kid or kids in scarsdale, new york. >> absolutely. if they don't get an education, they are lost to this country and they are lost to their families. and if we are not able to fix our educational system, we can't compete globally. >> david, you say this as the son of two public school teachers and as a lifelong liberal. i got to tell you, it is hard talking -- it's hard to find liberals who aren't directly involved in, let's say, teachers union or have some stake in it that aren't exactly where you are, which is we have got to do what we have to do to help the truly disadvantage get a break. >> i think that's exactly right, because liberals have always
wanted equal opportunity. and the thing that prevents equal opportunity today, more than anything else, is access to education. we need education. look at the technology the people have to master. you can't do that if you don't have effective teachers. teachers are the most important, in my view, most important profession we have in this country. if you don't have good teachers, you don't have good doctors, you don't have good business people. you don't have any society unless you can educate your youth. and it's totally unfair the people don't get in quality education. >> mike, as campbell said before, i mean, there are a lot of great, great public school teachers out there. there are some that aren't great and they shouldn't be protected. the children should be protected. >> well, i think that is part of the confusion about this issue. like you, david, i mean, my mother was a school teacher. she taught for 35 years. yet there seems to be, within this issue, this cloud of misinformation that this is aimed at teachers. it's not really aimed at teachers. it's aimed at reforming a system
that has been set in place for -- you tell me what it's about. >> i think it's about us beginning to treat teachers like professionals. >> right. >> and to me that means also paying teachers more. here in new york, a starting teacher salary is barely above $3,000 a year which is hard to even live on $30,000 a year. we by no mean tackling these laws is a silver bullet and solve all of the problems. but it is acknowledging that teachers aren't interchangeable and that they are individuals and they should be evaluated and rewarded for performance as any individual would in any other profession. >> you get municipality cutbacks with shrinking budgets and what happens in school departments is the best teachers are often, quite often, some of the younger teachers and they go first. >> that's right. you look at program like teach for america. every summer, we have the teach for america volunteers up at our house to a picnic and they are
just great. they are enthusiastic. and, yet, some people want to keep teach for america out of new york city schools. it doesn't make any sense if what you're primarily concerned about -- >> why do they want to keep them out? >> because they view them at competition for people who are already teaching there. i think they -- listen. maybe they are disruptive in the sense they have new ideas and enthusiasm. that is what teaching is about! >> exactly! >> my parents were teachers. i grew up with teachers. i mean, teachers are the best people in the world. they love kids. and they are out there, the best teachers, and i think most -- most teachers feel this way. it's -- this is not anti-teacher. this is pro-education and pro-child and ultimately it's pro-teacher because that is the way you make them professionals. >> randy says tenured laws and other laws are against cronyism and patriotism and hiring based
on what who you know and not what you know. >> we haven't been doing that in our educational system for years. not the way to get a job in new york city. people get jobs based on merit. we need to keep that merit system going while they progress. >> what is next? >> we brought this case in new york inspired by one in california where the judge ruled in their favor. around the country and you're going to see additional lawsuits being brought in other states too because parents are seeing this as an opportunity to express themselves, to voice their frustration with the system they think is failing them, and with legislatures that haven't moved to address these problems for years. it's a way of them saying we're fed up and if you're not going
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carnage at yet another u.n. school housing refugees in gaza. >> this is the third time israel has bombed the u.n.-run school. >> the u.s. state department said it was appalled by today's disgraceful shelling outside the school. >> there can be no question of mistaken identity. >> absolutely none. there was encouraging news today about the condition of an american doctor infected with ebola. >> i can't think of a better place in the world other than emory university hospital to
care for this patient. >> the specially equipped plane has just departed from georgia. >> i'm confident that our fears are not going to overwhelm our compassion. >> congress has left the building, leaving the president promising to go solo on the humanitarian crisis on the border. >> so that's not a disagreement between me and the house republicans, that's a disagreement between the house republicans and the house republicans. >> what are you going to do about it? >> i think the congress has to have a serious look at the constitution. >> you don't really think impeachment is possible? >> i i think it would be foolish to discount the possibility. >> mitch mcconnell and his competitor threw down. >> we can't afford a leader who thinks the west bank is a hollywood fund-raiser. >> if mitch mcconnell were a tv show, he'd be "mad men," he's stuck in 1968 and ending this season. my goodness, that just makes me tired. i don't know about you, barnicle, but i'm tired. seriously? can they not hire professional
joke writers, right? >> you still have to tell them. >> that's a good use for super pacs, right? let's say super pac money should go to pay for hollywood speech writers and make all of our lives better. welcome back to "morning joe." mike barnicle is with us. also nicolle wallace still here. with us on set "new york times" reporter tripp gabriel. he was paid extra to go listen to those jokes in kentucky. we're going to talk kentucky politics with tripp in just a minute but first let's go to israel with a seven-hour truce is under way in the gaza strip right now. if israel pulls back on its ground operations while leaving the door open to future strikes against hamas. on sunday an israeli missile killed ten people at a u.n. school where thousands of civilians were taking cover from the fighting. the attack, which was apparently aimed at a passing motorcycle, left dozens of palestinians injured. it also sparked intense
criticism from the international community, including from our united states state department that said the u.s. is, quote, appalled by the disgraceful shelling. the u.n. went even further calling the israeli action, quote, a moral outrage and a criminal act. israel's continued air campaign followed last week's broken cease-fire. after that collapsed benjamin netanyahu told senior american officials, quote, not to ever second-guess me again. perhaps the united states may never again want to give him $3 billion a year. meanwhile germany's leading newspaper says israeli intelligence news agencies eaves dropped on secretary of state john kerry's phone conversations during last year's peace negotiations and then used that information against him in those peace negotiations. let's bring in right now from charleston, south carolina, op-ed columnist, roger cohen.
roger, i read your op-ed this weekend and just absolutely loved it. i want to read a little bit of it for our viewers and then get you to respond. by the way, i just want to say for the record it is not fair that you get to be in charleston, south carolina, and the rest of us have to be here. so this is why americans see israel the way they do. to cross the atlantic to america as i did recently from london is a move from one moral universe to its opposite in relation to israel's war with hamas and gaza. fury over palestinian civilian casualties has risen to a fevered pitch in europe and the u.s., by contrast, support for israel remains strong. the israel saga, of courage and will,icies in american mythology far beyond religious identification and it goes on and on and on. you set up, though, roger, this parallel universe that i noticed in 2006 when i went from the u.s. to london and just watched bbc reporting and was stunned.
it was like i had been transported into another world. you talk about how anti-semitism is sweeping across europe at an alarming rate. at the same time in america, we unquestionably support israel where even images of dead children or women in these mortar attacks would be seen as almost unpatriotic. talk about that divide. >> well, good morning, joe. i think it's an unhelpful divide in many ways because it prevents either side, whether the united states or europe, from seeing the whole picture. in the u.s. palestinian suffering remains a taboo subject in congress, can't talk about it. in a quasipacifist europe where the slaughter of jews took place, it's impossible to see israel responding to rocket attack from an organization that
is bent on its destruction. what state, after all, would not respond in such circumstances. and i think it's important to see the grievous errors mad by both sides rather than just seeing one side of the picture. in the u.s., it's support for israel. and in europe, it's sympathy, understandable sympathy, for the huge number of palestinian victims and growing anger at what is seen as indiscriminate israeli attacks on this small area called gaza. >> growing anger in europe. you talked about anti-semitism in europe. you also mentioned germany specifically, a country who's been israel's closest ally other than the u.s., certainly since the horrors of the holocaust. but you say there even cracks in that facade now. explain. >> well, i lived in germany, joe, as correspondent for "the new york times" about a dozen years ago. at that time what's been happening now would have been
unthinkable. germans felt they had to show allegiance to israel because nazis had slaughtered jews. now with the passing of time this time around, you've seen violence, including an attempt to set a synagogue in one german town on fire. awful slogans, anti-semitic slogans being chanted at demonstrations. a very ugly atmosphere. and i think germans with the passing of time -- look, this is the work of a rabid fringe. it doesn't represent the mainstream in any way. but still, for this to happen in germany is very troubling. you're seeing similar incidents in france and elsewhere to the point that you have the foreign ministers of france, germany and italy making a statement saying anti-semitism has no place in our societies. the distinction between anti-zionism and anti-semitism
has in my view always been a much more flimsy one than those claiming that just anti-zionists say. nevertheless, the way this has spilled over in parts of europe into open anti-semitism is very troubling. >> roger, i was with senator george mitchell on saturday. during the day on saturday, he did a half dozen interviews. he was telling me four of them were from overseas outlets, the bbc, other european outlets, two of them were here in the united states. he was saying that it was like a parallel universe, the questions that he was getting from european outlets as opposed to the questions that he was getting from united states outfits. so my question to you has to do with the coverage. we see the coverage here obviously in the united states. how different is the coverage of what is going on in gaza within europe as opposed to here? >> i think it's different in
significant degrees. of course the bbc just like "the new york times" would say that it's trying to be balanced and objective. everybody in this conflict, as you know, has extremely strongly held views, so they perceive bias, even if that bias doesn't necessarily exist. but all media organizations in europe are working against a backdrop of extreme anger at this point at israeli bombardment of gaza. that is the backdrop in which they're working, the atmosphere. similarly in the united states, you're working in an atmosphere where jon stewart, just because he reports on palestinian suffering, is said to reveal this to americans. any criticism of israel is seized upon and said to be some kind of betrayal of a very important american ally.
so that's the cultural environment, if you like, in which this is happening. i think it makes the reporting on both sides of the atlantic -- either side of the atlantic different. >> okay, roger, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it and we hope you don't have to move to an island somewhere between the united states and europe as you wrote about in your piece to be able to find a more balanced nuanced view of this extraordinarily important issue. roger, thanks for being with us. >> thank you very much. >> we hope to get back sometime soon. it is interesting, roger was also talking about how, you know, if you even show images of palestinian suffering, of palestinian children in the united states, that's almost considered taboo. >> well, i don't think that the media has been intimidated by any of that. i see those images every night. i think that the media actually deserves some credit for not only showing a pretty rounded picture. i feel like i've seen lots of those horrific images, but also of listening to -- i think there
was someone at cnn that was accused of being impartial and in this rapid media climate people get right on the air and address the criticism. i think journalalists have been confrontational trying to address that. mike, let's move to kentucky. >> another conflict in kentucky. has congress kicks off its five-week vacation. >> boy, that must be nice. >> all eyes in the political world turned to the crucial race in kentucky. mitch mcconnell and allison lundgren grimes met in the rural town of fancy farm. the candidates shared the stage in front of a record crowd with supporters from both sides looking on. red shirts for mcconnell, blue for grimes. the 35-year-old democrat made her case against the 30-year veteran. >> what a huge crowd for senator mcconnell's retirement party. if mitch mcconnell were a tv show, he'd be "mad men,"
treating women unfairly, stuck in 1968 and ending this season. and when it comes to our students being able to afford college, mitch mcconnell, well, he doesn't care. when it comes to being a woman and being treated equally here in the commonwealth of kentucky, well, mitch mcconnell doesn't care. senator, you seem to think that the president is on the ballot this year. he's not. this race is between me and you and the people of kentucky. we intend to hold you accountable for your 30 years of failed leadership. >> by any standard barack obama has been a disaster for our country. that's what you get for electing someone with no experience. he was only -- he was only two years into his first job when he started campaigning for the next
one. sound familiar? with so much turmoil around the world, we can't afford a leader who thinks the west bank is a hollywood fund-raiser. there's only one way to begin to go in a different direction. that's to change the senate and make be the leader of the new majority to take america in a different direction. >> all right, tripp, we've already talked about if this was a comedy special, it would have been cancelled five minutes in. but it seemed like a pretty raucous crowd there. they were getting into it. give us a color, like were there wild borars running around chewing at your ankles? it seemed crazy. >> fancy farm is one of the unique events in american politics. it's one of the great datelines in american politics in far west kentucky. but it's very rare to go to a political rally where you have both democrats and republicans on the stage at the same time and a mixed audience of supporters of both. so while a candidate is
speaking, half the crowd is cheering and half the crowd is shouting and trying to heckle and distract and cause them to lose their cool. >> so what did you pick up down there, just confidence in the mcconnell crowd, the grimes crowd, what do you pick up? >> both sides are very confident. it's a close race, statistically a tie in all the polls that have shown up. closer than it ought to be. mitch mcconnell is running for a sixth term. he won easily the last two times. this race is close. >> why is it so close, especially with her -- the mcconnell people say her anti-coal position, barack obama's unpopularity in the state. does this seek to mcconnell's built-in weaknesses in kentucky? >> it does. she had a joke that her approval ratings were about her age, which is 35. he's got a lot of power in washington, minority leader. he's never been hugely popular
in question. >> look at that, by the way, 36% are favorable. 43% unfavorable. i'm not really good at politics, i don't know much, but if you've been around for that much and your favorable ratings are 36%. that's pretty crazy. >> you know, we watched those two clips that we just saw. it's, as you said, great dateline, fancy farm, kentucky. the mixed crowd, republicans, democrats. was there any joy in the crowd or was it combative? >> it's both. i think people love to go there because you get a chance to shout at the other guy. >> they're having fun, right? >> they're having fun. there's barbecue, they cook ten tons of barbecue out there. >> ten tons? >> that's a lot of meat. >> a lot of barbecue. >> it's like a kentucky-louisville game. >> listen, at the risk of hurting your sides from
laughing, do you want to see one more? >> are you ready for rand paul? >> yeah, i was going to ask about the rand paul impact. i'm excited to see this. >> senator rand paul. >> there once was a woman from kentucky who thought in politics she'd be lucky. so she flew to l.a. for a hollywood bash, she came home in a flash with buckets of cash. to liberals she whispers, coal makes you sick. in kentucky she claims coal makes us tick. one thing that we know is true, one thing we know is guaranteed, she cast her first vote for harry reid. >> i wanted to ask you about the rand paul part because he's patched together a pretty smart, strong coalition of supporters for himself but he's not really world's most charismatic stump speecher. what is his impact? what effect did that have?
>> what's interesting about rand on saturday was that he completely put aside all of the issues he's been talking about to pull together this national campaign. he didn't talk about enlarging the republican party. he didn't talk about speaking more to minority groups in this country. he was a completely -- it was a perfect surrogate for senator mcconnell and everything he did was on the talking points of the mcconnell campaign. i'm not sure who wrote his limericks. >> i was going to say, if he was a perfect surrogate, he would have left his little limerick at home. >> didn't he remind you a little of henny youngman? >> tripp, thank you for being with us, we appreciate it. still ahead, is mitt romney going to be the republican candidate by default in 2016? why the third time just may be the charm for the former
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♪ welcome back >> what a song. with us our dear friend pat buchanan. he's the author of "the greatest comeback." also with us we've got senior contributor of the daily caller and columnist for the week, matt lewis. we're going to get to pat's book in just a few minutes but first let's talk about mitt romney and this mitt romney revival. i was seeing matt lewis talked about you before. >> yeah, we had a good conversation just about a week ago. >> it's crazy, everybody is starting to turn back to mitt romney. he's going out, he's campaigning for them. what's going on here? >> i think the establishment of the republican party is seeing that chris christie may not be able to do it and that jeb bush does not look like he's in fit running condition. and i think they're looking to romney because they're looking for a candidate they think can move outside the red state base and win blue states possibly. the polls are showing romney
running ten points or so ahead of obama. but he's running behind -- he's running behind hillary. my view, though, is that romney is sort of the nixon in the sense that he's a candidate who's lost two times or three times, whatever. and he's considered a loser. however, he's considered presidential material. i think a lot of people are looking at him because they think that maybe he's the only guy that can really go the distance. >> a lot of people are going back looking at the things he said with russia and other things. mitt was right, barack obama was wrong. maybe we should give this didn't i another look. >> i think so. and also there's a lot of folks that say if one of the tea party folks win or libertarians win, we're not going to win the election, he's one of the few guys that can do it. >> matt lewis, you wrote this on a romney comeback. ironically romney is tailor made to benefit from having lost before.
it actually transforms romney into a more compelling candidate. having struggled and stumbled is, for romney at least, a feature, not a bug. explain that. >> that's right. look, for other candidates losing, it's a deal breaker, they're losers forever. but the knock on mitt romney has never been that he's a loser, it's always been that he's this kid in the front of the class with his hand up. kind of the goody goody who's lived a charmed life, he's got a beautiful wife, he's made a lot of money and i think we resent that honestly. i think the public doesn't like that about him. there's a movie why like the "rocky" movies are about people that make a comeback. i think it's possible that romney could benefit from having gone through this experience, having lost and then showing us that he's resilient and that he can make a comeback, like pat was talking about nixon. sometimes it could actually work in your favor. >> pat, you know, nixon ran at a
different time, in a different field of candidates. how much of this romney resurrection talk that's going on do you think emanates from seeing people like rand paul on tv or the bleeding arrogance of a ted cruz? i mean delegates and republican leaders see that and think, geez, mitt romney is looking better and better. >> i want to associate myself with all your comments about cruz and rand, but there's no doubt about it. in the mainstream of the republican party, a lot of folks are behind rand, he's a libertarian, but they don't think he can win it. they think cruz may do extremely well in the primaries but they don't think he can win. but i also agree about the fact matt mentioned the fact that he lost. nixon told me back in 1966-67, you know, i'm eight years younger than i was in 1960 and so on who was on his staff was eight years older. he had gone through a tremendous maturing process. he was less angry, less youthful, less in your face.
and i think a man benefits from getting beat. i think romney has clearly benefited as that and he's someone who's much more acceptable to the broad middle of america which is nonideological and nonpolitical. >> nixon is less angry? >> 1967, '68, he was very mature, very mature. my wife worked with him in 1960 and he was angry and he didn't put on makeup when he went to the debate. he'd get requests to do an interview and he'd brush them off. by '68, he listened. he had a young staff. none of us had been in 1960 at all. and he just -- he was a mature guy moving right through that incredible year '68 of assassination, of war and riots in the city and urban disorder, republican party split with goldwater wing and the nixon wing and rockefeller wing. >> so democrats get beaten up in 1960 and then humiliated in 1962 in his race for governor made
him a better candidate in '68. >> and after that '62 defeat he said you won't have nixon to kick around anymore. quits politics. comes to new york. then goes out and campaigns for goldwater and then he sees, and i think i saw it when i went to see him in '65, you can see that path down the sideline opening up. and nixon said to himself i'm not going to kick this away, i'm not going to blow it. i'm going to do everything right. we probably won't be able to make it, but it was clearly there and he could see it. and he did everything right between '65 and '68. it was one of the most flawless campaigns i think that has gone on in the 20th century to take a noncharismatic figure, who had really, as you said, been humiliated and defeated, and have him get up off his butt and campaign for everyone in 1966, get into a head to head with lindyndon johnson then make a really smart decision stepping out of politics.
he said i'm taking a moratorium for six months, he took it for a year. as he told me about mitt romney's father, he said let them chew on him for a little while. and then nixon returned for a section round. >> and that's exactly what romney is letting the press chew on, you know, whether it's rand paul or whether -- you name it. they're all chewing on them. he's just kind of sitting back waiting and seeing. it could be -- it could be an opportunity for him. >> absolutely. look, i think this is brilliant on nixon's behalf. i think that sort of laying low is an underrated political strategy these days. everybody has this sense that you have to be out there, you have to be generating buzz. but it takes a toll on people over the course of years. and i think it may be that a year from now or year and a half from now, we're sick of ted cruz and rand paul and even, you know, talk about jeb bush and then you turn to mitt romney, who would be fresh and he would
be a compromise candidate who could come in fresh. he could instantly turn on the money machine. the other obvious analogy, though, he's doing what nixon did. he's going to be out campaigning this year for republicans all across the country. if republicans have a good midterm election, it's the nixon playbook strategy. >> just like republicans did in 1966 before the '68 comeback. matt, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate you being with us. pat, stay with us because coming up next, more on your book on how richard nixon was able to push beyond the warring factions in the gop and have one of the most incredible comebacks in american history. that's straight ahead when "morning joe" returns. you drop 40 grand on a new set of wheels, then... wham! a minivan t-bones you. guess what: your insurance company will only give you 37-thousand to replace it. "depreciation" they claim. "how can my car depreciate before it's first oil change?" you ask.
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with us now, former senior adviser to president nixon, pat buchanan. he's the author of "the greatest comeback, how richard nixon rose from defeat to create the new majority" also with his professor of university at rice university, the co-editor of the new book "the nixon tapes." president richard nixon, uncensored, unfiltered and in his own words. if pat buchanan had his way, you never would have had the opportunity to write that book. and from london we have jon
meacham who regularly burns tapes. i love this quote, pat, from "the greatest comeback." dwight chappin said starting in '66 there was a recurring refrain you would hear around the nixon office. accrued through the campaign and even greater through the years of the administration and continued to the post presidency. it was what does buchanan think? what does buchanan say? pat, you have a thousand memos that you sent to nixon and his responses that make up this book. extraordinary. tell everybody again the story of how you met nixon and how you got involved early in his comeback. >> well, i first met nixon when i was on the caddie log at burning tree country club in 1954 and '55. they put out the vice president's golf bag. the assistant pro looked over at the rookie caddie, and i went
around 18 holes with richard nixon. then i'm a young editorial writer and he's coming over to bellville, illinois, to speak. i got invited, went up and met him in the kitchen and said if you're going to run in '68, i'd like to get aboard early. two weeks later i was in his office in new york and i was hired december, 1965. and there are only three people in the office. rosemary woods, pat buchanan and a lady named pat ryan who was answering the phones. patricia ryan nixon. we had a couple guys travel with us in '66. he went out to 35 states, 80 congressional districts and it was a phenomenal republican comeback, 47 house seats. suddenly he was in the hunt again. >> so how did this happen, pat? we have to put this in proper
perspective. nixon lost in '60. he ran for governor in '62, he lost to pat brown. he said you won't have nixon to kick around anymore. howard k. case brought on a soviet spy and the program was called "the obituary of richard milhouse nixon." three years later you believe he's going to win. >> the most brilliant thing and the right thing he did, both right and wise, was in 1964 when that tremendous convention when they're cursing nelson rockefeller, you know, he's demanding extremism be denounced, nixon introduces goldwater and then he goes out and campaigns for goldwater harder than goldwater did himself. at the end of that goldwater says, you know, i know you didn't do it for yourself, you did it for me. if you ever have selfish motives, i'm with you.
that meant that goldwater, who was the martyr of our conservative movement and the leader of the conservative movement politically, i saw if we could weld goldwater's movement to nixon's center of the republican party, there is no way nelson rockefeller or romney, who had both taken a hike on goldwater, could get the nomination. as soon as i got with richard nixon, i said the first thing we've got to do is we have to go capture the entire conservative movement, move them into our camp before this guy, reagan, in california wins the governorship. >> jon meacham in london. >> pat, i'm curious. after '68, nixon is in the house. he says watch what we do and not what we see say and a lot of people see the nixon administration as a bigger government philosophy and practice than people would have expected in '68. take us inside the white house in '69, '70, '71 with the
development of a really aggressive domestic policy. >> well, nixon was not a goldwater conservative , he gre up in the depression, admired woodrow wilson. he had no problem with new ideas and fresh ideas. that statement by john mitchell, that was about segregation. he was telling the civil rights leaders and the others, watch what we do, not what we say. we were raising the devil with some of these court decisions on court-ordered bussing. but if you take what nixon did, he came in with 10% of the southern states desegregated. when he was out, it was 70% of them. now, it was a bloody mess all through that process, but nixon was pro civil rights, he was anti-forced racial balance and that's what he did. and it was a success. but look what else he did. he ended the draft as he promised to do. he put in the 18-year-old vote. he created the environmental protection agency. all of these things, domestic
policies were dramatic and foreign policies, who can rival the opening to china. he ended the war in vietnam. all the troops came home as he promised, the p.o.w.s came home. he saved israel in the yawar. enormous achievements. if he had quit after his first term, he would have been regarded as one of the near great presidents. >> in 1972 he had the biggest landslide. in december of '72 nixon is leaning back, taking a moment to celebrate and said somebody write a book about 1972, one of the west years in political history. we did so much. and as pat suggested, in many ways he was domestically a continuation of a new deal liberal. built a great society. family assistance, clean air and
water. he created the dea. he was believing in big government still. >> that was one of the things we worked in '72. here was a guy completely dead isn't '65. by 1972 he's created this new political majority, which succeeds the roosevelt coalition and dominates presidential politics all the way up until 1992. a 49-state victory for a guy who ten years earlier said good-bye and good luck, i'm done with politics. >> what about internally, though, pat, within the white house during that period of time. especially the first term. you were just talking about the first term. nixon is not alone in this, but if you listen to some of the tapes and read the transcripts of the tapes, he and kissinger had an opportunity, several opportunities to end the war in vietnam long -- well before it was ended. >> right. well, my feeling on that is -- well, nixon told me after i left office i should have done in 1969 what i did in '72. in other words, bombing hanoi.
i think the north vietnamese jerked him around again and again. he desperately wanted to end that war but he wanted to end it in a way in which the whole thing did not come crashing down. that's one of the real -- what happened in vietnam, what happened in cambodia, you have the holocaust there. but he wanted to make sure that all these sacrifices, death and suffering of these 58,000 americans was not poured down a sewer, was not done in vain, and my '73 he seems to have succeeded. but then he's broken. congress cuts off all aid to the south vietnamese. north vietnamese wait for nixon to get out of office for eight months and then they go. >> jon meacham back in london. >> pat, talk about, if you would, the republican party's evolution because you have in
the primary campaign in '76 of reagan, the '80 campaign. you have a kind of reaction, right, to the nixon, both with the soviets and the larger government role we were just talking about. talk about the party's evolution. >> all right. in 1972 -- people forget, you mentioned bill buckley i know on the show often. 1972 bill buckley broke with nixon and supported the manhattan 12. they put john ashbrook in the primary against us, a mistake, bill. but that showed you the dissent, its dissent in the conservative movement over what you're talking about, nixon's building of the great society. and then ford continued detente. my 1976 -- i remember a story henry kissinger and i were at the '76 convention and henry was nervous. he was going to the convention and he said i'm heading off to the convention hall, pat. i said i'll be right behind you,
henry, i'm leading the demonstration against you. and so -- but that was -- detente was the thing that drove foreign policy. anti-communism always drove the conservative movement. that's what drove goldwater. by 1980, that movement that had taken over the nomination was now capable not only of getting the nomination but of winning a presidential election. but even reagan wasn't as conservative as is believed by everyone now. >> right. >> he told me once in the white house, reagan, he called me up and said, pat, pat, some of my friends want me to go over the cliff with flags flying. and then he walked away. and i said, yeah, and i'm one of them, you know. no, but he knew we were pushing him and pushing him and that's the nature of the movement. and i think by 1992, jon, there's no doubt about it that clinton understood that we've got to get the south and we cannot keep writing these folks off with these liberal
candidates. we've got to get some of them and of course george h.w. bush had moved away again and somebody was challenging him in the primaries. >> boom. there you go, baby. pat buchanan, thank you so much. the book is "the greatest comeback, richard nixon rose from defeat to create the new majority." i can't wait to tear through this book and want to interview you some more. maybe we'll do a package on this. plus i'm reading another great book on rakivic. there was an amazing scene about how reagan was going from the summit to the base and you were completely in the dark and said that you were scribbling down all the notes -- >> i was rewriting his speech because the whole thing had blown up there. i have never seen reagan, ronald reagan as angry as i saw him there when he came out of that room. you know, i remember a guy -- we were standing up looking down, he and gorbachev came out and a
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that was a look at the upcoming epix documentary and legendary filmmaker on robert altman. joining us is his widow. it's genius, the list of movies that bob altman directed, just incredible. what was it like? what was it like living with a genius? >> well, that's a very good question and it's hard to answer because i never really -- that wasn't -- that wasn't established. we were married 47 years, so i didn't -- >> he didn't really seem like a genius to you. >> no, not the first 40. >> exactly. but there was obviously an extraordinary body of work that continues even to this day. >> true. >> and tell us what we're going to see in this documentary. >> this documentary, i think, is a terrific piece and i really think it covers his entire life
in such a good way. i was naturally a little nervous about it, and i'm completely convinced that it's the best coverage i could possibly imagine. >> why were you nervous? >> well, it was a vast and varied life. we got -- the right person came to me, the young filmmaker from canada, ron mann, who had done a lot of documentaries. i had not seen any of them at the time. and he's very unconventional. this is not your run-of-the-mill documentary because he wasn't a run-of-the-mill man. he wasn't a middle of the roader and neither is this. >> bob, you've got lyle lovett, who was in four films, including "the player," a classic, the same with bruce willis, robin williams and so many others. talk about your involvement. >> well, i met robert altman when i was about 22 years old.
you didn't know that, i don't think. >> i had forgotten that. >> i've known him ever since that. he's a god for actors, robert. when we set out to make "gosford park" it started as a vague idea and i ran to robert and said would it interest you to do a murder mystery in england. i thought it might because he never wanted to do the same thing twice and he always wanted a different city and different groups of people and yet there were similarities to his movies. so much to my surprise we got to make "gosford park" because robert sent up his tent in london, got a nice hotel room. we had a wonderful script, no money and no actors. as soon as people heard that robert was in london, every actor in london basically called and said, please, can i come in and be in the movie. >> does it strike the both of you now, we had a news item about the top-grossing movie over the weekend is a science
fiction movie, it's machines. these were stories, these were movies with beginning, middle and end. does it strike you now the huge difference between altman's film-making prowess and what's going on today in the business? >> i think it was always different. robert always ran counter to what was happening, not necessarily because he wanted to be counter but he wanted to be who he was. he didn't change. there's something called altmanesque, what does it mean to be altmanesque. well, ougaltmanesque to robert meant never having to say you're sorry. he never apologized because he did what he loved doing and he was always counter. >> absolutely. >> do you have a favorite? >> no, i don't have a favorite. i kind of find myself saying the same thing that he would say when asked that question so many times. he would always say my films are like my children, and i'm the most concerned with the one that's the most needy at the
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with the support of populations in sunni areas are going to have to revamp, get resupplied, have a clear strategy. but this is going to be a long-term project. good morning. welcome to "morning joe." take a live look at times square. boy, does it need another reminder six years into into the presidency, barack obama is learning again this weekend and getting a view of just how lonely it is at the top. especially when you're running the military of the last remaining benevolent super power in the world. with europe still seemingingly to be sleep, barack obama just became the fourng straight u.s. president to launch a war in iraq. america has ordered hostile military operations in that country. i read in this a maureen dowd piece, 17 of the last 24 years. it came from both sides this weekend. democratic critics seem
oblivious through the growing threat, while republicans who attack president obama for doing nothing or now attacking him for -- wait, willie? wait? for doing something. >> this isn't iraq we are talking about. every day that goes by, isis build this calaphate. they are more powerful than al qaeda was on 9/11. >> i'm predicting if we pull everybody out of afghanistan not based on conditions, you'll see that same movie again in afghanistan. >> this commander in chief has no strategy. he has no vision. they are coming here. this is just not about baghdad. this is just not about syria. it is about our home land and if we get attacked because he has no strategy to protect us, then he will have committed a blunder for the ages. >> some republicans are even saying, willie, it's worse that
he has done something. but this time, the commander in chief made his military move because he had few other options. you saw in the maureen dowd column this weekend, i'm sure. maureen said this is a barbaric forces pillaging so swiftly across the middle east it seems like from a sci-fi film. becoming stronger and more dangerous by the day and making president obama's genocide case for him. religious cleansing against christians and shiites and sunnis and a group of people battling againing genocide. it occupies now a land mass larger than jordan. good morning. it's monday, august 11th. willie, we've got a lot of
people talking about this. a story that is developing and breaking news. i guess we are arming the kurds directly? >> update this this morning arming the kurds directly as they fight isis. joining us this morning is senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffing post, sam stein. a former director of the national terrorism center, michael leiter. carol lee. editorial director of the national journal, ron fournier. and bobby ghosh. welcome to you all. this morning, more evidence that the president has finally seen enough. u.s. officials say the obama administration is now directly arming kurdish fighters in iraq. american aircraft, meanwhile, continue to pound targets there, but a struggle over control of the iraqi government is threatening to complicate the crisis now. a fourth round of air strikes has been carried out against the group known as the islam state or isis and u.s. troops have
made at least four air-drops of aid to displaced iraqis. president obama over the weekend say the campaign strike may last for months while once again ruling out ground troops there. joe, this is, obviously, a limited action by the president of the united states to stop isis in this one spot, in this moment, in this case. >> right. >> but this is a bigger problem as you pointed out in your introduction. it's in syria and iraq. it's not going away. >> it's a massive problem. for people looking at this and saying the same thing about isis they don't want to knock down buildings in new york or washington, isis wants to knock down buildings in new york and washington. this is, again, this weekend, another "the new york times" column i read said that actually religious genocide is the end. it's not a cool of terror. it's a means to an end. >> bobby ghosh, explain what we are seeing in isis, what their
objectives are and what they are hoping to achieve. >> as joe said, they are far more ambitious than any other terrorist group that has come before. they want to hold territory. they want to create a state for themselves. they are calling themselves the islamic state. then they want to kill almost anybody that comes in the way. fellow muslims, most of all. whether shiites or fellow sunnis that don't happen to believe that the islam that these people have. do they want to attack the united states? absolutely. they want to take attack. the west, the united states specifically. it doesn't have to be in the homeland. the united states can be attacked all over the world. we have interests -- we have people in harm who could potentially be in harm's way anywhere in the world and these guys want to do harm. there is absolutely no question. >> no question about it. michael leiter, though, it is pretty encouraging what has
happened in the past two days. the president's decision to start bombing isis shows that they aren't the third rike. they have spread like poison gas because western countries and countries across the middle east have allowed them to do that, but it looks like we are already making some pretty quick gains here. >> i don't think this is a particularly difficult target for the u.s. military. the question is how far we want to go with that. as you noted, joe, they are strong and they are certainly the strongest terrorist organization and army we have faced over the past ten years, but they are far from -- far from this that can't be defeated. i think folks at the pentagon believe within one to three months, isis could really be rolled back with u.s. air power if there is also an iraqi ground
force that fights side-by-side. the real challenge is you can control them out of iraq with some air power, but how far are you willing to do? because without considering syria in the same breath, we can't really attack this at its same root. >> ron, the president took decisive action here and we have seen isis rolled back to the point where the kurds have been able to repel them, at least in this one region. but as this does metastasize and see more attempts of genocide around the world and region there, what does the president do next? >> he's in a tough spot. we are all in a tough spot. the country doesn't want to go back to war. we really -- you know, our forces are depleted and worn out,this a serious issue. we are now, you know, almost exactly 13 years after president bush got a memo in crawford, texas, saying osama bin laden wants to attack the united states. we are getting that memo now. what we are seeing on tv now is a warning that, you know, with every day after 9/11 the odds of
us getting hit haincreased. as you were just told, this isn't just a matter of rolling out of iraq and i wonder if we are overestimating our ability to do so. we tend to do that. are we going to follow them into syria and are we capable of keeping them out of the united states? we have already had remnants of isis in the united states. we had a young man come down to florida and visit his family and go back to syria and blew himself up. it's a scary time. this is a tough nut for the president to crack and he has been underestimating a lot of things on the world stage the last few months. he can't under estimate this threat. >> no. this appears to be the threat that is is not capable or should never be underestimated because it's danger. i don't think can be overestimated because of its goals. we heard michael leiter ask the question how far does this go.
do we have to go to syria because this is the root of the problem? that was part of a fascinating debate. team of rivals this weekend just became rival. >> yeah. hillary clinton amazing in this interview with "the atlantic" magazine looking to distance herself perhaps from the foreign policy of the administration she once served. in an interview she praised the president but said great nations need organizing principles and don't do stupid stuff is not organizing principle. >> stunning. >> a reference to the president. a cleaned up reference to the slogan reportedly used at the white house on how to approach foreign policy. clinton touched on the factor to leading to widespread violence in syria saying the failure to help build up a credible fighting force of the people who are the originators of the protest against assad left a big vacuum which the jihadists have now filled. in an early interview president obama rejected the idea of
changing rebels could have changed the course of what happened there. >> with respect to syria, it's always been a fantasy, this idea that we could provide some light arms or even more sophisticated arms what was made up of former doctors, farmers, pharmacists and so forth and they were able to battle, not only a well-armed state, but also well-armed state backed by russia, backed by iran, a battle hardened hezbollah. that was never in the cards. >> sam stein, there is nothing that makes me sadder democratic on democratic violence. this is hurtful. it is pretty stunning in the middle of the military operation to be reading headlines like this where you have his last secretary of state calling him a failure and you have the president call his last secretary of state and possibly next democratic nominee for president living in a fantasy
world. failure versus fantasy. but i think probably, the most stunning part of that a lot of ways hillary clinton could have done that, but as we say in the south, she was just sticking a sharp stick in his eye when she brought up that really embarrassing quote about don't do stupid stuff. that was a blind side right there. >> i don't know if she called him a failure per se but she did stick it in the side. >> his policy in syria was failure i. this is what everybody has been waiting for on what plank would clinton try to distance herself from obama and it makes sense that it's foreign policy at this juncture because of what is happening across the globe. obviously, the headlines are terrible for the president and the administration and it makes sense. also it sort of goes by her history. she has always been perceived as
probably is much more militant and willing to use force, i should say, in foreign crises than the president and she runs risks doing this. you can hear the groans from members of the democratic party after this interview wpublished withever go evejeffrey goldberg. with respect to the president now it makes sense to break with him because of all that is happening across the globe. >> carol, you've covered the white house and learned a lot probably about the relationship between the president and the former secretary of state hillary clinton. how long has this been bubbling beneath the surface? how long have they served parted ways on these certain matters of foreign policy? >> well, i think if you look at when she was secretary of state during her tenure, she differed with the president on a number of things.
sam is absolutely right. she was seen as much more hawkish on nearly every foreign policy debate they had in the white house. and particularly on syria, you know, some of us have been watching this, been waiting for this moment when she would do this because this was the biggest split that they had where she, three years ago, was really pushing for arming the rebels and the white house was pushing back and saying, you know, we don't know who these guys are and they are not even capable of using the weapons if we were to give them to them. they really wanted to step back. that was at odds with some of president obama's senior staff. so, i mean, what is really interesting about this is that it's hard to prove the negative. it's easy for her to say this now, and easy for the president to stick to his line outbut it was inevitable she was going to do this. >> bobby, when i read this, i thought hillary clinton understands what other foreign
policy leaders have been saying for the past months or two. yes, the plane crash over ukraine was horrific. and that all diverted our eyes. and what happened in the middle east, absolutely terrible. you could do nothing in july, but look at the horrible images coming out of the middle east and coming out of gaza. all along, foreign policy experts had said watch isis, watch iraq, watch the meltdown in the middle east because this is what is, as ron said, this is what makes us less safe every day. it's almost as if hillary clinton understands this is all going to circle back to syria and so the blame game has already begun for a crisis that is sure to come. >> well, it's a terrible thing to say about a situation that has taken nearly 2,000 lives. what happened in gaza was the past reasserting itself. what you're seeing in ukraine, again, is old russia trying to reassert itself. isis represents a threat of
today and tomorrow. this is something existential not only for those tiny communities that are exposed on that mountain in iraq but a poison gas and virus and use any number of expressions, this will be for us a long time to come. the longer we ignore it, the worst it has become. yes, these are no the nazis that they eventually became but the reason the nazis became the supreme evil was because for a long time the world did nothing. czechoslovakia, we did nothing. he took a little bit of this and that. we did nothing. we are at a risk of doing the same thing with isis until literally last week. >> michael leiter, final thoughts. >> i think the president has to make a case more strongly that we have to be in this for the long haul. we have long-term interests in
iraq. we have long-term interests in the region and we have long-term interests of not being a defensive crouch on counterterrorism and that is going to require the u.s. and our allies to be deeply involved in iraq and syria, despite the fact that it may be deeply unpopular. >> all right. michael leiter, thanks so much and sam, ron, carol, bobby, stick around with us. still ahead on "morning joe," thomas friedman is here fresh off his exclusive interview with the president. you just saw a portion of that. the former u.s. ambassador to iraq under president obama. ambassador james jeffrey asking what he thinks is to blame for the situation there. nascar star tony stewart hits and kills another driver on the track. my gosh. we will break it down for you. what exactly what happened? and what happens next. rory mcilroy cannot be stopped. highlights. his dramatic come from behind victory to beat phil mickelson and rickie fowler.
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♪ welcome back to "morning joe." a probe is under way after a dramatic crash involving nascar driver tony stewart left another driver dead. on saturday during a sprint car race in upstate, new york, kevin ward jr., spun out racing side-by-side with stewart. you see it there. ward gets out of his car apparently angry gesturing toward stewart and seemingly
looking for a confrontation. another car swerved to avoid him but as stewart came around, his car struck ward killing him. sparing you from seeing it there. st stewart's spokesman said he would be racing on sunday but a few hours later, stuaewart saide would sit out of the race, sailing the following. police have questioned stewart. they say the three-time champion is being cooperative. they have not, though, ruled out criminal charges. they also said they have no reason to suspect criminal intent there. joining us now is cnbc brian sullivan and "morning joe" derrick kitz who has followed racing and been in his family many years. >> you guys have both raced and this is what your dad drives.
>> yeah. >> let's start with a couple of things first of all. brian washings was tony stewart, nascar star, we see him on sundays, why was he racing on this dirt track in upstate new york? >> this is what he does. a year ago he was racing these cars and flipped his car and compound fracture of his leg and sat out the rest of the nascar season. people said please keep racing these kind of cars. he said i'm a racer and this is what i do. he took his race team and did this saturday night feature and it ended in tragedy. >> i was asking derrick a lot of questions, what was it? on friday? >> yes. >> thursday and friday. we were talking about danica patrick. they say tony stewart does everything because what he does. he is a great driver and can do it all. let's set a couple of things up. first of all, ward, this poor
man who died the other night. he came on the road pointing and yelling and it looks bizarre to us. and, yet, tony stewart has done that himself. you sit there going, don't they tell them to stay in the cars? >> at every race, they start with a pit meeting and drivers meeting. everybody gathers and the pit boss goes over the routine saying if you're in a wreck or spin out or you're injured stay in the car. it's the safest place on the track. it's standard operating procedure, stay in your car is the safest place. especially in the night and the track wasn't very well lit. >> they say tony stewart probably didn't see him because so much mud up on the windshield which makes it even more dangerous to run out into the middle of the track. >> so two things at play there. one, the helmets these guys wear have what is called a tearoff. they have about 8 to 10 then plastic sheets and a button that will tear off because their
visibility gets so impaired and they can't see. that is standard. they have to preserve these throughout the race. who knows at what point in time tony stewart was on his tearoffs. he could have had a perfectly clean one or impaired tearoff. you don't know. so many factors. especially when you're at the apex of one of that turn which is one of the most dangerous spots. >> willie, also looking at tony stewart, you have to look at tony stewart. this is a guy known for road rage and known for running out in the middle of the track throwing his helmet at other people. he has got a long history of this. >> he has been on the other end and we have to be careful between making a leap him going after another ki and targeting this guy. >> right. >> let's look at a little history of road rage in nascar. >> tony not very happy. >> we know what tony thinks. >> we were mad after that restart. checked up twice to not run over him and i learned my lesson
there. i will run over him every chance i got. >> you get your helmet back. your aim was precise. >> i don't give a crap. >> tony, your respect of what happened. >> the kid is an idiot. he wins one cup race and he took us down to talladega twice. i'm curious what that idiot is thinking down there. i don't think he knows what he is thinking. >> after tony went over to question and did more than that. got a swing in there. let's see what steve burns came up with. >> tony, what angered you at the end of the race? >> what the hell do you think i was mad about? he bulb he drives like a little bulb i'm going to bust his ass. >> thank you, tony. >> a lot of threats there. there is that clip that made us all flinch when he said i'm going to run over him every chance i get. he is an angry man. >> listen, i think that is a
little racing talk there. i don't think he is implying he is going to run over him physically. >> but tony stewart has always been a hot-head. >> no question. >> he is not the only one. >> yeah. >> so what is his future, brian sullivan? so much of this depends on your sponsorships. >> yeah. gasoline powers the engine and money powers nascar. the question is going to be no matter what the outcome of this -- by the way, i've been racing for 30 years. this is the worst thing i've ever seen. whether or not mobile one, bass pro shops, go daddy, whether they come back to him. stewart is unique. he is the only major driver that owns his team. no charges have been filed but whether or not you pay your money to put your name on his hood. >> was there anything exceptional either of you saw in the wreck? >> no, he drifted up. he's on dirt. >> in fact, i was talking to you earlier. i said it looked like a clean pass. it looked like a clean pass.
>> which means tony stewart goes past him fair and square. >> if you look at the video, i'm not even convinced he necessarily made contact. >> brian, when stewart is making a clean pass like that, that is where you slow down, let the other guy go past you and you're going to get him at the next turn. >> especially in open-wheel racing where it's so dangerous as you can see. >> on that sharp turn. >> listen. some people over the weekend brought up some great point and a lot of awful speculation out there too. was there any history between these guys? like, i don't know. was there? did tony stewart have a go popr? what is getting the attention is, i can't hear if you have the audio up or not, you can audible hear the engine rev. is there a chance he is checking stuff. looks up. there is the guy. >> the guy is coming out pointing for at least four or five seconds. >> here is the other thing.
there's been speculation about the cars made revving their engines. the fact is the cars have to rev their engines during the caution flag because if they don't the tires fill up with mud and no traction and the tires cool down and it's standard operating procedure and you'll see it all the time. >> we don't have time, but, my gosh, rory, that guy is on fire. >> my gosh. did you watch late last night? they didn't finish until almost 9:00, the pga championship. rory mcilroy wins third turned in a row and fourth career major. two in a row. this is the scene on the 18th hole last night as he putted in to win there. a one-stroke victory. a great sunday. phil mickelson was there all day and finished a stroke back. rickie fowler incredible season of his own finishing in the top five in all four majors. a great sunday. now you can say rory mcilroy the last couple of years and had some struggles and i think the next tiger thing probably got to him.
he is there now. he joined jack and tiger as the three youngest since 1934 to reach four career majors. so he's on that trajectory now. >> how many strokes would you give mcilroy? scarborough, mcilroy, head-to-head, 18 holes. >> it depends what year. >> course of your choice. >> where would i go? willie, i won the masters in '87 the year after mickelson. >> who could forget? ." because mickelson wins in '86 the shadow of jack nicklaus. guys, thank you for coming. coming up next on "morning joe," authorities nap a 20-foot python in a florida neighborhood. we will explain the strange capture next. outrage in st. louis while the death of mike brown is compared to the trayvon martin tragedy. more "morning joe" straight ahead. ♪
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african countries of and nancy writebol will return home this week. she and kent brantly are treated in the united states. they will be quarantined for 21 days. the average incubation range for the virus. the ft. wayne journal gazette. new report says 18 u.s. companies hold 36% of the nation's wealth. that is 27% jump from 2009. in addition, the wealthiest top 20% hold 89% of total cash, leaving only 11% for firms on the bottom of the list. companies among the top 1% including microsoft, apple, coca-cola and boeing. >> from our parade of papers. "the baltimore sun." 24 passengers stranded 80 feet above ground after a roller
coaster stopped at six flags of america in maryland. it took firefighters five hours shra -- >> oh, my lord. >> five hours to remove all passengers from the ride. joker's jinx. they were removed one-by-one with a bucket lift. only minor injuries and back pain and dehydration were reported and unclear what caused that ride to stops. yikes! >> amazing. they gave them umbrellas to shade them through the sun as they were going through all of that. wild one. 75 feet in the air. the breakfast story you must see. capturing a 12-foot long python accused of eating neighborhood cats. it took several police officers to remove the 120-pound snake from the pushes! there is currently an infestation of pythons in
florida in the everglades these snakes can lay up to about 80 eggs each spring! >> wow. >> they really are great for breakfast. >> hide the colonel. >> also from florida, the orlando sentinel. a 9-year-old boy is lucky to be alive after surviving an attack from a nine-foot long, 85-pound alligator. this is our florida block. >> my lord! >> the boy says he was swimming in a lake when he felt something latch on to his leg. he was able to hit the gator and causing it to let go and allowed him to swim to shore. doctors treated him for three different bites. 30 teeth marks. scratches as well and removed a gator tooth from one of the wounds. left a tooth in the boy! >> wow. >> the 9-year-old is expected to make a full recovery. >> you're supposed to punch it in the snout. >> i think he did. the kit jacked him in the snout and saved his own life. >> shark week started last
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like the south of france. >> from the casino royale. off the teletype from mika. >> she is reading "the new york times." writing about back to iraq. from the sunday times, maureen writes it felt bracing to see american pilots trying to save innocence in a country we messed up so badly that it's not even a country my nor, some critics warn it was not a military strategy and almost worse than nothing as john mccain put it. the latest turn of the screw in iraq also underscored how we keep getting pulled back godfather style without even understanding the kuverculture. it creates even more monsters. the united states has taken military action in iraq during at least 17 of the last 24 years. the ultimate mission creep in a country smaller than texas on the other side of the world. what better symbol of the middle east quicksand than the fact
that navy planes took off for their rescue mission two years after president obama declared in war in iraq over from the george h.w. bush aircraft. >> high ironic the president who got elected finding the only guy out there against the last war in iraq is back now in iraq which should show us just how badly the situation has deteriorated. >> yeah. it's probably the biggest disappointment to him. i mean, it's a personal disappointment of his presidency. and this is something that he never wanted to do and, as you mentioned, he campaigned on 2012. i traveled with him extensively during that time. the draw down in iraq was a number one pause line for him and they really touted it. i remember traveling with vice president joe biden in 2011 when he did the trip to end the war. he said we have turned lemons into lemonade. this is a place they never thought they would be.
if you look at what the president said when he first spoke on this, he practically apologized for taking military action. as you saw on saturday he is back saying, well, this could be a lot longer. i think he has got some explaining to do on this part. >> it's accelerating, too, willie. by the way, i support the president. we go in and we do the bombings to save a lot of people from grisly death, but this morning, we wake up to the breaking news that he is now arming the kurds directly. so looks like he is moving towards being all in. said i guess this weekend said we could be there months. >> he said this is going to take a long time. ron, recent history said you can't dip your toes into the waters of war. if you're in for a dime, you're in for many in case. >> we had to face the fact we were not honest as a country as
we got into iraq and we weren't very smart how we got out. we can't do anything about the former so we have to deal with the latter. the problem the president has it was just a few months ago where he called this threat j.v. was only a couple of years ago when he said we're pulling the troops out because iraq is stable and safe and sovereign. he just admitted he blew the call on libya that he underestimated what happened after we got rid with gadhafi and he underestimated putin and what happened after mubarak was chased out. as i said earlier, he can't underestimate the threat now. but it's not an easy call for him to make. >> no. but i tell you what, i think the fact that the president has said what he said about isis and other groups and the fact he is going in now, should show the american people just how serious this threat is and just how serious this president has to take it. no politician likes admitting they were wrong and what the president is doing here. but, again, shows how serious
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welcome back to "morning joe." tensions boiling over in the st. louis suburb of ferguson, missouri. a police officer shot and killed unarmed black man on saturday. police were in riot gear last night as a vigil for 18-year-old michael brown turned violent. witnesses reported seeing people looting and setting fires and smashing windows. nbc john yang has more on what is bringing this missouri community to a tipping point. >> reporter: on the streets of ferguson, missouri, outrage and anger. >> no justice! >> no peace! >> reporter: protesters of difference ages and races demanding answers in the shooting death of 18-year-old michael brown at the hands of a policeman. investigators said at about noon saturday, the officer who hasn't been identified encountered
brown and another man on the street in an apartment complex. there was a struggle and one of the men pushed the officer into his car. >> within the police car there was a struggle over the officer's weapon. there was at least one shot fired within the car. >> reporter: the struggle spilled out onto the street where brown whom investigators say was not armed was fatally shot. >> police shot this man for no reason. >> reporter: p.j. crenshaw who took this cell phone video says she saw the shots from her apartment balcony. >> he is running this body and his body this way and hand in the air and being compliant. he gets shot in the face and chest and goes down and dies. >> reporter: witnesses say brown's body play in the streets for hours. >> i'd like everybody here to appreciate that it took a very long time yesterday to process this scene. >> reporter: the shooting sparked a furious reaction. police responded in force brandishing assault rifles. >> give the serenity. >> reporter: michael brown graduated from high school
earlier this spring and was to begin college next week. his mother has a message for the officer who killed him. >> you not god and you don't decide you take something here. if that is the case i brought him here and should take him from here. that was mine that belonged to me. >> the justice department that responded to calls for a federal investigation attorney general eric holder has instructed civil rights thorns to monitor developments. we have learned the same attorney who represented the family of trayvon martin will now represent the family of michael brown in this case. it looked like there were witnesses there and we heard the young woman give her account of what happened there. you wonder if there is some video. >> if she has the video of the young man lying in the street, i wonder when she start to hit record. >> if there is a camera on the police car that may have
intermediate the struggling. as a general rule you don't push police officers into the cars and we need to get the whole story. there was a terrible tragedy, especially an unarmed young man being shot. >> it's terrible. a lot more details to come on that story. ahead, hillary clinton comes out with her biggest critique yet of president obama, this time of foreign policy while his former secretary of state is speaking out straight ahead. up next, sarah palin tries taking on elizabeth warren over fast foot wages. >> really? >> it goes about the way you expect it to go. "news you can't use" is next. let me get this straight... [ female voice ] yes?
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i don't think we are going to solve this problem in weeks if that is what you mean. i think this is going to take some time. the iraqy security forces to mount an offensive and mount the effective in sunni areas are going to have to revamp and get resupplied and have a clear strategy. but this is going to be a long-term project. >> that's the president talking about a lot going on right now in iraq. u.s. officials say the obama administration is directly arming kurdish fighters in iraq and news broke overnight. american aircraft pound targets there and struggle over the control of the iraqi government about complicating the crises whatever is easy in iraq? a fourth round of air strikes carried out against the group known as the islamic state. four air-drops to 4,000 displaced iraqis. the president said over the
weekend the air strike campaign may last for months. once again ruling out ground troops, the president did, he is now dealing with this internal problem. iraq's prime minister is accusing the country's new president of staging a coup. al maliki is face ago third term but facing calls to resign. he gave a televised speech last night saying he is not going anywhere. >> yes, you are. >> special forces to support al maliki were sent to key areas around baghdad. u.s. officials support iraq's new president and are alarmed by the tone of al maliki's speech. joining us now is nbc news white house chief foreign correspondent, andrea mitchell. >> a lot of concern. >> yeah. one second, andrea. senior fellow for national security studies max boot. author of "invisible armies." associate professor dominique
tierney. and with "time" magazine, michael crowley and sam stein is still with us from washington. >> thank god. >> a full house. andrea, let me get back to you. set the stage a little bit for people just kind of waking up on a monday morning, what happened over the weekend in iraq? >> well, what happened was really last night. maliki is threatening to stay and has ordered his loyal army, even if it's around baghdad, there is real concern there could be political violence today. not from isis, but from maliki's forces. so how can they fight isis with maliki supposedly in the last week letting iraqi forces work the u.s. in a coordinated fashion to save the peshmerga and the kurds. >> maliki can't stay. none of this works with maliki stays. this, obviously, is surprising to a lot of people the thought that one foot was already out the door. is maliki suggesting something
more troubling. >> yes. >> what is maliki suggesting? >> he was suggesting by saying that the army, well, to him, supports the constitution. he was suggesting just as the shiite coalition was getting together to choose a prime minister and finally complete this governing process without maliki having a third term. maliki was suggesting basically a coup and that is what caused enormous alarm last night among top u.s. officials reaching out. they are -- the intel people were working, you know, very, very early this morning to see exactly what his intentions are. >> maybe we should just let the egyptians annex iraq. max boot, it's never easy in iraq. the president of the united states did what he felt like he had to do. talk, if you will, how bad had the situation come until the bombing began and what progress were we making? >> i think the situation, joe,
is about as bad as you can imagine, because here you had this fundamentalist islamist state before 2001 they had taken control of a substantial portion of syria, as well as iraq. >> we show this map, max. they actually control an area larger than the entire nation of jordan. >> exactly. larger than new england. it's a pretty horrifying scenario. they were starting to carry out genocide against the christians and threatening erbil. they were marching on baghdad. my question is do we have a strategy driving owner intervention and i would point you to the words of napoleon who said if you start to take vie a vienna, take vienna. in other words, when fer going to fight these guys, let's do it
for real and a way to have a strategy to destroy isis. >> willie, we always say that. if you're going to take vienna, take vienna. that is a pretty good quote. i think i'm going to use that. >> michael crowley, let's talk about the strategy going forward here. this appears to, the air strikes appear for the time being to give kurds time and space to repel isis. but what next? because isis is not going away. maybe they have pulled back from this region but they will pop up in other places and they exist obviously in many other places throughout the region. what is the over arcing strategy for the white house here? oftentimes if you're in once, you're in for a lot more. >> yeah. i think the overarching strategy is for us to not get too deeply involved, at least militarily. a big part of it is to use proxies. in other words, get the kurdish fighting forces, called the peshmerga and that translates those who face death and have a
record as fierce fighters try to supply them. they were outgunned by i shortstop and can we let them take the lead in the night up in the north. the u.s. is working to restart that anbar awakening that was so pist pivotal in turning around the iraq war and in many cases, you know, we basically bribed them to do that. those tribes are very frustrated and disillusioned with maliki right now and have made common cause again with al qaeda style groups but we are trying to reverse that and replay that. finally to get some kind of political reconciliation in baghdad which is probably the hardest component of all as we have seen in the previous conversation about this move maliki is pulling and still a work in progress.
>> we have syria in play here. when we talk about what is taking place with bashar al a assad. what isis means specifically in syria and how that is overlapping in the border regions there so explain that dynamic and what takes place as we, back here at home, watch washington, d.c. president bush said they were not into nation building but that is what we have come now. a country trying to oversee nation building everywhere. >> right. here in the cradle of civilization, we have seen a decent and it has created a tremendous challenge for the obama administration. assad in syria has, in many ways, cultivated the rise of isis as a deliberate strategy to radicalize the opposition and actually help themselves stay in rule. now isis has swept into iraq. it's a huge challenge. the obama administration has responded with a policy
basically of containment. the idea is not to try to destroy isis but stop them from expand beyond the kurdish region and is there a long-term strategy? i think the destruction of isis will not come from the united states but come more from internal dynamics within the jihadist and sunni communities. >> we talked about this last hour, andrea mitchell. a lot what is going on right now with hillary clinton. obviously, fascinating articles where she is distancing herself from barack obama, especially on the issue of syria. >> right. >> but in this interview with jeffrey goldberg of "the atlanta" she praises the president but says great nations need organizing principle and don't do stupid stuff is not an organizing principle. i thought that cleaned up reference to a slogan the president used. it's pretty stunning.
it's almost like hillary understands, like most foreign policy experts we have talked to over the past month understand, that isis is the beginning of a great unraveling of the middle east. >> they understands it and understood it then. this is a little politically thought. the president is doing exactly what americans want him to do according to every poll. he is not getting engaged. he did not get in engaged in syria a year ago where he said he would get -- if the red line were crossed by assad and when the chemical weapons were used. i think what is really hurting him people want him to stay out of these foreign entanglements but they want him to be a leader. what hillary clinton is trying to do here is show the distinction she had the vision, if you will, that syria was the heart of it and if they did not
arm the so-called rebels fublet th if you believe that they were he said it was a fantasy. one other thought here, joe, and all of the gang, there is no way that, aside from containment and this will be a long-term project if this is supposedly containment of isis but if they want to get to isis they have to go through syria. that is where the foreign fighters are coming to join and they know that. >> they have to go to syria and, obviously, hillary clinton talking about this and talking about syria and talking about all of this foreign policy actually shows that she understands part of the great unraveling. a lot of fingers are going to be pointing and she -- you know, it certainly is clear that she is seriously contemplating a run for president of the united states or else she wouldn't distance herself in such a striking way. willie? >> sam, so much of the
president's legacy, he hopes, i think will be on getting the united states out of the war in afghanistan and iraq. he called iraq war a dumb war if you go back to 2006 and 2007. something he has always been against. does he run the risk of getting america reengaged in iraq? we are on a limited basis right now, but could it grow from here? >> well, if you take him at his word, there is going to be no ground forces sent to iraq so there are limits i guess what the policy will bring us. you're absolutely right and andrea is absolutely right. the popular thing is what the president's policy was which is get out of iraq and leave afghanistan. there's, obviously, debate over whether or not he should have fought harder for a forces status agreement to leave the troops there and what good that would have gone. but if you talk to the white house and if you talk to the administration officials today, they say, you know, these decisions aren't done in vacuums. for instance, arming the syrian
rebels. they point out that they armed the iraqi military. they trained the iraqi military and gave them sophisticated weaponry and what good did it do when they had to go up against isis? they ran and went away. i thought the most important thing that the president told tom friedman was his biggest regret is what happened in libya which is they got rid of gadhafi did you didn't envision what happens tomorrow. how do you reconcile the turmoil in iraq with the objectives of pushing back isis in the northern provinces. >> isn't it something as we move forwards another democratic fight for the presidency, willie, that hillary clinton, if there is somebody that rises up to run against her from the left, is once again, going to be painted as the hawk, at the neocon? the very thing that gotter be h beaten in 2008 she is not
running away from. she is racing to. >> remember a race between her and rand paul. >> i said sometimes she is a neocne neocon neocon. it's hard to find a conflict or a debate in the white house where hillary clinton didn't support some sort of military convention or at least the strongest, toughest stand. >> as carol lee pointed out the last hour there were conflicts when she was secretary of state disagreeing with the president on many of these issues and now coming out into the public eye. we have nbc news correspondent keir simmons live in erbil. what is happening on the ground there right now? set the stage for us, keir. >> reporter: good morning. thanks. what is happening here is the fighting continues about 20 miles from this city of erbil and we are hearing the u.s. has now decided to deliver arms to the kurdish peshmerga forces who
are fighting isis in this area and that will be hugely welcome and through the weekend they will be pleased with that. through the weekend, they do appear to have made some gains working on the back of those u.s. air strikes, they managed to regain control of a number of key towns on the roads out of erbil here. perhaps that is a tipping point. isis thrives on fear. that is one of its weapons, as well as its armor and its guns. practic perhaps the u.s. air strikes are building the confidence here and allowing them to push isis back. at the same time, i circumstances is sophisticated. they are strategic and they will be thinking about when their next move is. there is a lot of heads that will be considering what next move to make. isis' issue will be effectively what president obama has indicated any time they move armory on the roads, the u.s. will move to attack those positions.
so isis needs to rethink what you can expect they will reattack somewhere in iraq at some point. >> obviously, those air strikes helped pushing isis back there. what are the people on the street hope for from the united states going forward as isis moves in around them? >> can i just comment looking at keir's shot, i never expected it to like it does. this city, you could be in the middle of europe right now. it seems to be insulated from the hell going on all around it. set the stage there. >> reporter: yeah. i mean, you know, people are going about their normal business. they are frightened. they were terrified. you're right. this is a city of 1.5 million people and it is increasingly westernized. the u.s. consulate is here and the reason president obama i think felt had he to act. i think people are more confident as a result of that air strikes and the news that the u.s. will deliver weapons to
the kurdish fighters and give them confidence. iraq is now a divided country. if you move over towards baghdad where nuri al maliki, the prime minister, is refusing to resign, there is a much more greater sense of fear. i was there just weeks ago. it is a different atmosphere there. even compared with here in erbil now, and the question about those divisions in iraq, it is within that divided country, the isis was able to thrive. that is still a glaring issue, even despite this u.s. intervention. >> keir, thank you so much. great deal appreciate it and be safe. bring in chris jansing who is live from martha''s vineyard in another world. president obama is spending quite a distance from elbil but, obviously, the president, the white house sent out some fascinating information several hours ago. the united states is going to directly arm the kurds.
what are you examine pg to hear from the president today? >> well, we don't know if we will hear from the president himself today. they have been setting up and sort of giving us a little indication that we might hear from some of his national security team. maybe his deputy national security adviser ben rhodes. i had a long conversation with him last night and to pick up on what keir was just saying. this is critical the whole nuri al maliki piece of this. they believe in order to create a situation where the u.s. doesn't have to be involved militarily and the president has already said this is an open-ended mission they have to get a new prime minister in there and they have to get somebody who at least that a chance of bringing the different factions together. right now nuri al maliki is not that person. i won't say they are surprised. they knew and he had continued to show signs he was going to fight to stay prime minister, but that is what they really are focusing very closely on right now. that, in addition,, obviously, to what we are seeing in the air both the air drops and the air
strikes that military mission. joe? >> willie? >> andrea, if you're still here, it's interesting. we bring you into the mix with chris here. hearing the president and others talking about all we need in iraq is a unity government. that's not so easy. we have been trying to do that for a very long time. al maliki wasn't willing to do it. what are the prospects for that if that is the solution in iraq, what are the prospects? >> it's really tough. they have just announced that the deputy speaker of the parliament has been chosen to replace maliki. they were working on this last night. we were on the phone with officials as they were tracking it. now, it's very unclear whether maliki will let this new coalition survive, whether he will cling to power and whether this will, in effect, be with a coup. clearly we not only backed the wrong guy in iraq but then supported him and turned a blind eye to the fact he was excludeing sunnys. year one he was throwing them out and stopping their payments to the tribal leaders that
petraeus and u.s. embassy had carefully cultivated during the sunni arising. that was the key to the american withdrawal. all of those sunni tribal leaders were completely excluded by maliki and many joined isis and provided the critical strategic help that isis needed in its initial march toward baghdad. >> max, let me ask you quickly. what does the next move need to be from the white house? >> well, i think we need a concerted strategy for breaking the grip that isis has on a significant portion of iraq and syria. and talking about containment i don't think is good enough. what are you saying with containment? we are content to have this exist as long as it doesn't take erbil? i think we need to work with the pressure ma peshmerga and bolstering our military footprint on the ground and having a real counter attack has a military as well as a political component that will break the hold of isis.
i mean, the bottom line is the situation is pretty serious right now. but it is still recoverable. it is still possible to swing the momentum against them as we did, in fact, in 2006 and 2007 during the serge. we have to do it without all of the u.s. troops on the ground but i think it's still possible to do it but we need a strategy and we need the resources necessary to do that instead of just saying we are going to limit ourselves to containing them. i don't think that is good enough. >> as willie and i like to talk about if you're going take vienna, take vienna. exactly! >> thank you to all of you. still head a deadly crash involving a nascar driver has the questions being asked was it a an accident or a homicide? plus a preview of the hard-foued mhar hard-fought races up north. a race that is going down to the wire and may determine who runs
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welcome back. a probe is under way after a very dramatic crash involving nascar driver tony stewart left another driver dead. >> that is tragic. >> it really is. we have a lot to talk about on the back side of this. >> it's hard to tell what is going on in that video. >> it's hard to tell but it's interesting because it's not uncommon to see drivers get out of their vehicles and other examples of this but kristen dahlgren is standing by live. >> reporter: the in its investigation no evidence of any criminal intent but you can imagine just how traumatic this was for anyone who is watching the race here on saturday. you mentioned that video. it's so disturbing that we won't show you the whole thing.
but as you guys were talking about this morning, there are a lot of people asking a lot of questions about safety. >> reporter: it was a packed house saturday night. the hum of sprint cars racing around the track. then video posted on youtube shows two cars colliding. one spins out, while the other, driven by nascar legend tony stewart keeps going. the driver of the sideline carp gets out and in the dark appears to point to stewart and walks on the strak toward tony steward. 20-year-old kevin ward junior is hit by stewart's back wheel. he was later pronounced dead at the hospital. stewart is one of the nascar's most popular drivers with a reputation for colorful language and frequent outbursts. he once threw his helmet at another driver after colliding. >> tony stewart can be a hot-head. he gets into arguments with other drivers at times but, you know, typically, it's not really aggressive driving. >> reporter: authorities are examining video of the crash but
say it appears it may just be a tragic accident. >> an investigation is ongoing to try and identify all of the potential factors for this on track crash and subsequent death. >> reporter: stewart pulled out of sunday's nascar race saying, quote, there aren't words to describe the sadness. ward's family is asking for privacy. the young driver started racing go carts at age 4. but most recently took to racing high-powered sprint cars equipped with wings that increase traction on the short dirt tracks. fans of the sport say accidents and drama are a part of racing, but not like this. now, authorities say that stewart is cooperating with their investigation. there's no word yet on when he might race again. guys, as for nascar, it says it will respect the process of local authorities.
>> kristen, joe scarborough here. any talk already about safety changes? >> reporter: yeah. a lot of people talking about it. there has been no official word. you know, we have talked about how common it is to see drivers get out of the car. so a lot of people saying there should be some type of rule that keeps drivers in the car after a crash or when they are upset about something. i've heard this called a watershed moment. even if there aren't official changes, i think it's safe to say drivers will be thinking about this the next time they think about getting out of their cars. >> thank you, kristen. what a tragedy. brian, first of all, you guys -- look. we are bringing in jeff burton an nbc sports analyst covering nascar and also a long time driver on the sprint circuit. thank you for being with us. brian sullivan is here and derrick kitz who are associated with cnbc who grew up racing.
jeff let's first go to. the first question people watching asking is what the hell are these drivers doing getting out of their cars which derrick explained to us last hour, one of the first things your pit crews tell you, if there is a wreck, stay in the car, the safest place to be. why do guys get out an run in the middle of the track and point fingers? >> it all starts with the emotion of the sport. you put so much effort and energy into preparing your car, running the race and all of the things it takes to be a successful driver and when somebody takes something away from you, the chance to win the race or you feel like wrecks your car, it's a very emotional thing. unlike a football player or basketball player where you get up off the floor or the field and approach a guy urchs t, you the only way to show your displeasure is approach the guy in a race car but he's in a moving vehicle. i've done it before. approached a guy under caution and wasn't the smartest thing in
the world. >> jeff, i'm sure you looked at this video like the rev of us a lot. i'm not a big big fan of nascar racing but you look at it and there is even the question of whether the two actually hit each other or not, whether -- jeff, whether they did anything wrong, whether anything was wrong here. >> well, to kevin ward, he felt like tony had done something wrong. again, that goes back to what i said earlier. it's an emotional sport. people care about the results. you put that much effort and energy into something, doesn't go your way, it's very emotional. so tony did crowd him but it's racing. those things happen in racing. you know? it's part of the sport. so, you know, you can -- five people could watch that wreck and five people come up with different ideas. the fact of the matter is you have those things in racing. you do today and you will tomorrow as far as track incidents. the post-wreck incident is the big issue here.
what happened on the racetrack in my eyes is just a racing incident. >> what do you think happened after the accident? what did you see in that video? >> well, i see a young man that is very upset. he is going to express his displeasure. then the video kind of goes away to be honest with you you can't see what happens before kevin gets hit. i've known tony for a long, long time. no way in the world do i believe that tony stewart hit kevin on purpose. i don't believe that. any piece of my body, don't believe that. i just believe you see a tragic accident and i see a lot of emotion taking over and a tragic accident and everybody has to deal with the end result. >> jeff burton, thank you so much. you were talking about how he should have just let him pass. that nothing really was done. tony did nothing terrible in going past it. it looked like a clean pass. in fact, you're looking at the video again. you are wondering whether he actually even hit him or not.
>> i think in viewing the video, you know, it's a classic slide pass. tony got underneath him and slid up. it looked like a clean pass. if it were a clean pass and the young man hit the wall, no reason tony stewart would even know that it was kevin ward that had spun out or that had wrecked when he came back around. if, in fact, there was no contact made. tony would have no reason to understand -- >> yeah. he was passing him. >> he was passed. >> it looked like a clean pass. derek said something last hour about the strips. >> tearoffs. >> the visibility. >> it's dark. it's night. >> he is wearing a dark fire suit. think about also, too, with race car the thing called -- after dale earnhardt was killed it limits you to make sure you don't break your neck as easily. you brought up something off the air. what people don't realize the track is banked and it's made of dirt and clay mixed. you wonder in the video you see
kevin ward look like he is trying to turn. you can see a situation and i'm not trying to steal your point here but he is running down to confront stewart and can't go back up. because it's slippery and steep -- >> racing shoes are like slippers. >> like wrestling shoes. >> very lightweight and thin and made of fire retardant material and only designed for the gas and the brake and no traction on them. if you're running down a bank clay oval like that, to try to stop, oops, i went too far and back pedal could be virtually impossible. >> looks like the last second he tries to turn. >> you guys are saying you look at that video. you just -- you're going fast. and you just don't have that much control. >> that's right. >> a real tragedy. thank you, guys, for being with us. coming up next, control of the senate is going to hang in the balance, obviously, this year. what happens in the 49th state is going to determine who runs the senate next year.
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crunches. >> let's talk about what is going on in alaska. it is one of the key senate races where we have the incumbent mark begich with his hands full. he votes with republican senator lisa murkowski and he mentions it in his newest ad. >> lisa murkowski and mark begich vote 80% of the time. i don't think we should break up that team. i've been a elizabeth lifelong republican. i voted for ted stevens and lisa murkowski and now i'm voting for mark begich. >> senator murkowski is giving him the heisman and wants him to stop and asking him to cease and desist running that ad. his office said he used her likeness without her permission and featuring an alaska voter who is not actually a republican. kasie hunt caught up with him in
anchorage. >> alaskans like what they are working together on. that is factual and talks about 80% of the time we vote together and that is laying out what we have been saying and what alaskans are telling me they love and that is the delegation working together. >> she said that the photo of the two of you together in that ad constitutes a violation of senate rules and federal law. is that the case? >> no, it's incorrect. under the rules you can utilize that photo purchased by the -- >> you don't plan to take the ad down? >> no. i think it's very factual. 80% of the time we vote together and proven today with the f-35 announcement the delegation working together an incredible announcement we made up a couple of days with opening up an incredible bridge. >> according to roll call, mark begich is the fourth most vulnerable incumbent senator in the mid terms. more on the interview coming up tomorrow.
i heard they had an excellent time up there and a lot of reporter stelg. >> kasie does an amazing job. mark only got elect because of some very questionable investigations against who he beat so we will see what happens. i'm focused more on the cruise. >> murkowski was tough on her. we all recall the tough time she went through. >> she had to run as an independent. >> it's fascinating to think she is coming back to say don't conclude me. >> stay away. >> yes, stay away. >> you're breaking federal -- i wish i could say you're breaking federal law by using my photo. >> i bought that fair and clear. >> exactly. still ahead, the real death valley. the major reason undocumented immigrants crossing the border don't make it out lialive. that story is next. [ aniston ] when people ask me what i'm wearing, i tell them aveeno®.
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so the heat, the temperature is a major factor and people dying in south texas. >> meanwhile, with the heat in washington, d.c. over the conversation about immigration reform, did you realize how political this was going to be for you and worth.com getting involved in picking a digital documentary like john's? >> yes. >> yes. >> yeah. >> it was part of the -- it's a politically charged topic. classically we don't do political topics on the weather channel. although people are passionate on both sides of it, there is not that much politics in the piece. we don't interview politicians and nothing democratic or republican about it. it's simply we think a tragedy at the border that very few people know about. you're talking about hundreds of migrants that die each year. if we told you a hundred bodies showed up in a texas ranch land of american citizens you would hear an outrage. >> and buried in a mass grave.
any religious organizations out there to help these people? >> there are. how do you get access to the private land to put out water? these individuals are in a thousand square mile area the size of manhattan. so to find them, to find out where to put water or where to provide humanitarian assistance to find a road to access it is pretty difficult. as neil is saying, you're going to find a couple of hundred bodies on a regular basis. >> hundreds of bodies and mass graves, it's a real tragedy. absolutely fascinating documentary. i'm glad you guys are bringing it to life. >> thank you. >> appreciate it. the real death valley debuts this morning on weather.com. john and neil, thank you so much. still ahead, is the past prologue? eight years ago republicans under george w. bush suffered what then the president called a thumpin'. that was during the midterm elections. were president obama's approval ratings lower than his
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>> pretty exciting. >> pretty exciting. cameron diaz, hot ticket. >> was it a good show? >> a few good laughs. you got to see nicki minaj. >> you hated it, didn't you? >> i can't get that two hours back. >> you said kate upton was in there? >> she was great. i like her. >> was she pretty good? like katherine hepburn? >> they share the same first name. president obama has spent plenty of time on the road this year, raising a lot of money for his party, but he's largely been absent from the campaign trail. derrick kitts draws on recent history to see why democrats are avoiding their own commander in chief. >> if the recent poll is any indication, democrats in congress should be wary of relying on president obama to provide any transaction support. the president sits at 40% approval. if president bush's poll numbers
at the same point of any indication, these midterms could be trouble for the democrats. bush's approval was two points higher and americans had a better attitude about the direction of the country with only 54% believing the country was on the wrong track. most surprisingly, considering the wars in iraq and afghanistan, voters approved of bush's handling of foreign policy more than than they do of president obama. the midterms saw president bush and the republicans lose 31 house seats and 6 senate seats. if that is any indication, president obama and the democrats have a right to be worried. >> sam stein, let's go to you. we signed of go around believing that george bush was at 21%, 22%, harry truman type numbers. even in september before the election george w. bush was a point or two ahead in this poll, a pointing or two behind in
other polls, margin of error basically in the same place. i guess the only question is, is the republican standing so bad this year they won't get the lift that democrats got in '06? >> can i digress for one second? i want to talk about "the other woman." i've heard that is literally the worst movie ever created. i'm surprised that thomas roberts was as kind as he was to it. also derrick, derrick is all over this show today. you know, this is the derrick hour. >> it is the derrick kitts variety hour, i know. he raced forever and now he was -- derrick -- >> derrick has strong points. >> and in politics, derrick was like -- i think he was majority whip in the legislature. >> i just want to say that "the other woman" was on sale on demand for $4.99. >> you would have to pay me to watch it. i would not watch that movie, it looked terrible. >> and you'll never get the two
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tony stewart just hit that guy! >> a young driver dead and another engulfed in tragedy and controversy. >> there are no facts in hand that would substantiate a criminal charge or indicate criminal intent. >> what do you want? >> on the streets of ferguson, missouri, outrage and anger, after the shooting death of an 18-year-old unarmed black man by a police officer. >> two very different stories coming from other side. >> hands in the air, he's shot and dies. >> fire and the fury of an unfinished war raged in gaza today. israel, determined to strike hamas right up to the start of an agreed truce.
>> fierce fighting on the ground throughout northern iraq. >> american jets and drones took out enemy targets. >> this is going to be a long-term project. >> barack obama is learning again this weekend just how lonely it is at the top. >> there is no policy, there for there's no strategy, therefore, things are going very, very badly. >> we can't wait for the iraqi maliki government to fight isis. my constituents don't want to see another couple hundred people killed by isis. we should do whatever we have to do. >> as you just saw in that clip, i said a couple of hours earlier, that this president, as if he needed any reminding, six years in, got a look this weekend of just how lonely it is at the top, especially when you're running the military of the last remaining benevolent superpower in the world.
with europe still sleeping through a quarter century history vacation, this president just became, get this, the fourth united states president in a row to launch a war in iraq. america has now ordered hostile military operations in that country in 17 of the last 24 years. and this weekend, the harping came from both sides. the president's critics seem oblivious to the growing threat that is posed not even to the middle east but all of the world by isis. republicans who attacked president obama for nothing are now attacking him for doing something. but this time the commander in chief has made his military move because he had no other options. as maureen dowd wrote this weekend in "the new york times," a barbaric force is pillaging so swiftly and brutally across the middle east that it seems like some mutated virus from a sci-fi film. isis is spreading like poison gas across the middle east,
becoming stronger and more dangerous by the day and making president obama's genocide case for him. isis is practicing religious cleansing against christians, against shiites, against unobservant sunnis and against other groups that are now battling genocide for the 73rd time. for isis, religious genocide is not a tool of terror, it is the reason this terrorist war machine exists. as you look at this map, isis now controls a land mass larger than the entire state of jordan. a lot to talk about this morning. with us now, former foreign policy adviser to the bush administration, dan senor, white house correspondent for "the wall street journal" carol lee, james jeffrey and from the pentagon, nbc news chief pentagon correspondent jim miklaszewski. jim, let me begin with you. some surprising news breaking overnight that we're now arming
the kurds directly. what else are you hearing inside the pentagon? >> joe, the u.s. had been providing the kurds with ammunition through the baghdad government as per u.s. law and agreements with the iraqi military, but now u.s. officials tell us that the cia is directly providing in some weapons, we don't know, we presume they're small arms, even perhaps as high as shoulder-fired weapons of some kind, directly to the kurds bypassing baghdad. but even at that, the kurds are woefully outgunned by those isis forces, you know, who are just a few clicks away from erbil with artillery, armored personnel, tanks, shoulder-fired, gun mounted rockets. there's no way that the kurds can stand up to the isis rebels over any kind of length of time and they have asked for some of these weaponry.
but that doesn't appear to be in the works at all. we have to remember what the president laid out in terms of his current strategy. limited air strikes, which will continue around the erbil area. they have had a little bit of effect. you know, the rebels haven't fled, but they have taken the black flags off their vehicle because they realized it made them easy targets, but that's pretty much the reaction from those rebels so far, joe. >> it's limited, bobby ghosh, but the president started last week by saying i'm going to take care of these people trapped on the mountainside. a lot of people said that's not enough, that's too limited. and i think a lot of us on set were saying last week, well, that's just the first step. the next step we saw was the president bombing isis. people said that's too limited. then we find out overnight the president is now arming the kurds. the president has stepped in and as a guest said last hour, quoting napoleon, if you're
going to take vienna, take vienna. this president, i think, is done with halfway measures when dealing with isis, don't you think? >> i certainly hope so. by saying this is going to take months, he's preparing all of us for this. i mean that goes against all the polls that show this country doesn't want that, but perhaps doing this slowly and gradually is the only political way that he can sell this to an american audience and to congress. >> and ambassador jeffrey, maliki just remains a colossal thorn in america's side. here we go into iraq trying to do what we can to stop this virus from spreading across iraq and the entire middle east and maliki decides to pick this time to say i'm staying no matter what. seems to be suggesting even the possibility of a military coup. >> the news overnight is not very promising, joe. but on the other hand what's happening is the president has to pick a party and a leader of that party to form the new
government after the elections. and that would normally go to maliki's state of law. but what you're seeing is a revolt among his fellow shia members of parliament who know he can't get a majority of votes, particularly from the sunni arabs and the kurds in the parliament but also from many of the shia. this is still a constitutional process. another shia politician and the deputy speaker of parliament is one of the candidates that people are looking at right now, so in the hours ahead, we'll see what president masun does because he has a deadline of today to take a decision on who will form the government. i hope it is not maliki. >> let's bring in right now nbc news senior white house correspondent chris jansing. she's live from martha's vineyard. chris, a lot moving very quickly. what have you heard up in martha's vineyard. >> well, they are focusing very quickly on what's happening in
the decision about what to do about maliki. the president has more people here than he originally planned on this national security team. he has susan rice, who is staying with him, in addition to other national security officials. they're briefing him at least three times a day but obviously this is an ongoing situation. in long conversations that i've had over the last 12 hours or so with administration officials, they say there is nothing that can be done until al maliki is done. until they make a decision that they can bring someone in who they think can bring some level of stability. we all know how fraught that is and difficult it's going to be, but that's the immediate crisis in the next 24 to 48 hours is seeing what happens there and who becomes the new prime minister or if maliki somehow still seems somehow to cling to journal. >> let's bring in carol lee. carol, you followed this president during 2012. you are obviously at the white house every day with this president and listen to what he
and his advisers say all the time. a lot of inconsistencies. this is a president who in 2012 said he wasn't going to be going into iraq, he's getting troops out. he said that's one of the biggest applause lines. his critics are loving his line to repeat that isis is from the jv team. this had to be a really difficult decision for a president that doesn't like to be cornered, doesn't like to be pushed into anything, but it appears that it wasn't his political rivals pushing but history itself. did the president just get to a point where he understood he had no other choice but get engaged? >> yeah, basically he did. you know, the turning point was there was this moment on last wednesday when the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff joined the president in his limo ride from the state department to the white house. they had a five-minute conversation where he just said, look, this is really bad. and that continued into the night on wednesday and by thursday morning his aides were using the word "genocide" to
characterize what could possibly be happening in iraq and the president decided he was going in. but you're right, i mean you followed him too. this is a president who is so reluctant to use force. he's a commander in chief of the largest, most powerful army in the world and he's defined by his reluctance to use it. and that's -- you know, you see that in the way that he initially when he talked to the american public on thursday night saying this is going to be limited, we're not going in with boots on the ground, very cautious, very pinprick and he didn't even say that he was absolutely going to order these strikes, just that he had authorized them. then you see him on saturday and he's saying dig in, we're getting in this for the long haul, this could be long term, we need to find passage for these people to get off of the mountain. and so he went in reluctantly, he presented it in a very limited way and now it's looking like he'll be in there much longer. >> and we heard this weekend we may be in no months.
let's bring in san sedan senor. we've said time and time again, we don't want to be involved in iraq. we don't want to be involved in afghanistan. they have been a lot closer to my position on these matters than yours. we've had these debates long and hard. but at this point i can even say we need to be involved. will you do what a lot of republicans didn't do this weekend and salute the president for being involved? i'm so sick and tired of the same people bitching and moaning about not doing things and when the president does things, instead of supporting things, when we're at a critical moment, they have got to go on the sunday shows and bitch and moan about a president doing what we all know, what realists, what neocon alike understanding, we have to confront isis. will you salute the president for taking these steps? >> i have. i've said several times over the last couple of days that we
should applaud the president for taking the action that he's taken. we have to ask the question, joe, while these steps are important, obviously heading off -- trying to head off the genocide of the yezidis, heading off the march up to erbil and the kurdish areas and obviously protecting american personnel, all of those objectives are critical and the president deserves credit for working to end them. when you take a step back strategically we should also ask the president what is the game plan for that huge swath of territory south of the kurdish area. what about all those people living in a part of iraq that can't rurkurds or yezidi. if isis weren't on the march up to northern iraq, would we be content in letting isis governing this ungovernable space on that side of iraq's
border. a strategic case for the long haul we haven't heard for the president. he began to lay the groundwork in talking about this is going to be a long haul as we discussed earlier and the steps he's taken so far are important. but i think what the american public needs to hear, we are a war-weary public. look at every military action, just about every military action that the u.s. government has taken since world war ii, the american public has always been against it. this is no exception. the president will have to make the bigger strategic case about what the threat of isis means not just in iraq but what it means throughout the region. >> chris jansing, let me go to you. obviously you had joe biden, a very long time ago talking about breaking iraq into three parts. it certainly seems over the past three or four days the president has decided not to really go all in with all of iraq but at least go all in with the kurds. >> yeah, and to the point that
you were just talking about, as i've been talking about senior administration officials they think he's the best person to make that case. when you talk about he needs to explain this, he needs to tell his long-term strategy to the american people, there are definitely people within this administration who are pushing him to do that. they liked what he had to say when he was walking across the lawn and heading here on saturday morning. they think that the american people understand what he's differentiating. they know that they're war weary but they also believe that they understand there is genocide that is threatened there. they also know that our strategic interests are at stake and that the president is the best person to make that case. so i don't think we would necessarily be surprised if we heard from the president over the course of the next couple of weeks more than we have in previous vacations. he's getting a lot of push to do just that. >> you know, bobby, i want you go to the ambassador with a question but first you look at that map. we can't control all of iraq. it has just been an absolute
disaster. but you look at the northern section where the sunni kurds are. you look where the kurds are and that does seem manageable. and i just wonder whether we -- whether we solidify things up north or help the kurds solidify things up north and move towards joe biden's vision of iraq. >> i don't know about splitting iraq up. i think that westerners shouldn't be drawing lines in maps in the middle east. >> that's why we're in this mess. >> that's why we're in this mess. but you make a good point. we've had a long history of protecting get kurds. >> instead of drawing lines, what i'm actually talking about more is controlling the spread of isis. you cut them off at the knees if you make the northern part of iraq a place that at least is a bit more stable. >> we have a long history of protecting that part of iraq. we did it after the kuwait war.
we allowed it to become much more autonomous. it worked for the kurds. it didn't work for the rest of the region. but the crucial thing and this is what i wanted to ask the ambassador. what is the role of the iraqi army? what are they loyal to? are they loyal to maliki? he's brought out the tanks in the streets of baghdad to try and protect, to sort of prolong his prime ministership or this is the army we trained and spent a lot of money on. do you think, ambassador, that this is an army that can be relied upon to take the fight to isis, or are we just expecting the peshmerga, the kurdish fighters, to do that. >> that's a good question. i think it's a qualified yes. the president does have a strategy that he kind of outlined on thursday and then again on saturday. one is counterterror. he's going to make sure isis cannot strike at america or some other interests in the region. secondly and what we're seeing all the action in is he's using
various justifications, our embassy in baghdad, our consulate in erbil and the personnel there. he mentioned infrastructure, critical infrastructure on saturday, he mentioned genocide and groups of people who will be slaughtered or ethnically cleansed by isis. what he's saying is if they come out of the sunni areas that they have occupied and start attacking other areas, they'll have to do this by classic military mobile infantry columns, he's going to strike them with local forces. the iraqi army can be supported and we are supporting them with logistics. eventually if they're in trouble, we might support them with strikes. but to actually take the offensive in these sunni arab areas, he stressed again and again, you need an inclusive government that can reach out to these people. we do not have that now, we will not have that with maliki. that's why all of the attention is on politics. if there's a new prime minister, the army will go with that prime minister.
half of the units are judged by our experts to be relatively combat effective. so there is a base to move forward on the offensive with our air and logistics and their ground forces if we have the political calculus right now. >> let's go back to the pentagon. hey, mik, the cartoon image of generals and admirals in the pentagon are that they're running around power hungry and mad to go back to war. the truth is, of course, the exact opposite. they're the last ones that want to go to war. what is the appetite inside the pentagon right now for going into iraq for, what, the 14th time in like 24 years? >> right now everybody's attention and all the planning going on just a few floors right below me here, all the planning is for these two limited missions. one, to secure that kurdish area and stop the advance by the isis rebels. the other is to protect those yezidi worshippers that are trapped aboard the mountain.
we're told there is very active planning under way as we speak to provide that safe corridor that the president talked about on saturday to help them escape their predicament. right now it looks like it's going to require some help from the british and the french, who the president talked to over the weekend. but in the long term, and, you know, there's always somebody in the building looking at the long term and it does not look very good to u.s. military officials i'm talking to. even if we resolve those two situations and even if isis were somehow contained in iraq, people here are now looking at this as being a 10 to 20-year challenge, joe. >> oh, dear god. thank you, mik. thanks to everybody. coming up on "morning joe," failure versus fantasy. those are the sharply different terms being used by hillary clinton and president obama to describe their views of what went on in syria. hillary says we should have armed the rebels and takes a direct swipe at the president. the president says she's living
in a fantasy world. we're going to be talking to "new york times" columnist thomas friedman who sat down with the president for a revealing interview next. first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. as we look towards the west the fire season continues in full swing. we now have 37 large active fires on the ground. last week we had about 27 or so, so we're starting to hit the peak of the fire season out west. this one fire outside of san francisco, not in san francisco of course but about an hour's drive outside of san francisco, only about 35% contained. there is a lot of active flames. the temperatures lately are not helping, and especially in the pacific northwest. today will be a very dangerous day, especially up there in oregon. look how hot it's going to be. the one section of the country, really the only section of the country that's had a hot summer has been the northwest. 99 in portland today, boise at 98. we haven't even come close to those temperatures in even washington, d.c., this summer. as far as the rest of the country, another shot of cool
air coming down from the north. it's not cold but it's definitely not summer-like either. especially at night you feel it. i know we've all saved a lot of money in the east on our ac bills but maybe a couple more beach days would be nice. today in chicago the rain is ending, temperatures will be cooler for you and a lot of rain heading for toledo, also detroit and portions of the ohio valley will get soaked. if you have any travel plans late in the afternoon, those thunderstorms could cause delays in the southeast and also in sections of kentucky. here's a look at chicago. there is beautiful weather on your way, but that's fall, isn't it? 78 and sunny and at night in the 50s. what a crazy summer it's been there in the great lakes after your horrible, horrible winter. we leave you with a shot of washington, d.c. low humidity continues but of course it doesn't have any effect on that miserable traffic. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. [ female announcer ] we help make secure financial tomorrows a reality
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we are the strongest military, we have the most dynamic economy. the thing that's going to hold us back is going to be us, and if we make good decisions, then we will continue to be not only the dominant power but a benevolent force around the world. >> are we making good decisions, though? because i feel and i look at washington from abroad. it feels like we kick around this country like it's a football, and it's not a football. it's actually a faberge egg. we can drop it, we can break it.
enough dysfunction on all these core issues that you talked about and that's what i worry about. i feel like we're saying to the world do as we say, not as we do, not like we used to. >> i would distinguish between american society and american politics. the truth is that countries should continue to do as we do. we still set a pretty darn good example. >> that was part of thomas friedman's interview with president barack obama, the "new york times" columnist joins us now from pebble beach. you're at pebble beach. i just have to ask a question, thomas. you are getting out golfing at pebble beach, are you not? >> you better believe it, joe. it's vacation time. >> the president can deny it, you will not. it is even no nongolfers, you are in one of the most beautiful parts of the country. so let's talk about your interview with president obama. absolutely fascinating, especially if you team it up
with jeffrey goldberg's interview with hillary clinton. there's a lot of back and forth going on here where hillary is attacking the president for not doing enough in syria. tell us what the president told you about hillary's view that if we had gotten into syria earlier, then things would have been better. what did he call that? >> well, he made a couple of points. he wasn't specifically responding to her. but that, number one, that it was a fantasy to believe that the kind of barely organized opposition there, which was largely professional, secular, middle class people, at the end of the day armed or not would have stood up against an assad regime backed by russia, backed by iran and supported by hezbollah. backed by iran that's had 20 years of building networks of support for the regime there and iran that does not have to worry about congressional oversight. he just believes that in the end they would have eaten them alive
and we just would have ended up getting a lot more people killed or being drawn in ourselves. >> so bobby ghosh is with us and has a quick question for you just to follow up on that. bobby. >> tom, if it was a fantasy then, why is his administration now talking about training and arming the free syrian army? what has changed the calculus? surely the situation has become even more complicated than it was three years ago? >> well, it'mas of their program. so ask yourself this. how is it that 16,000 muslims have marched to syria from all over the muslim world to fight for jihadism and how many have marched there to fight for pluralism. i think i could count them on one. >> and right. tom, obviously the situation now, as bobby just said, a lot more difficult than it was a ye year, year and a half ago. would it have been a less difficult task, a less difficult lift if the president had gone
in earlier? i'm not making hillary's point, i'm not arguing, i'm asking you as a man who's been studying this region longer than most of us, a lot longer than most of us, was there an opportunity missed by the united states of america before 150,000 people were killed? >> let me answer that sort of in a broadway, joe. actually if you look at it, we tried three different options. we tried going in and taking over an entire country, iraq. doing far more than arming the opposition, we took it over with armed military and spent six, seven years, billions of dollars trying to train them. that didn't work. it didn't work because the politics wasn't there. then in libya we said we're not going to do that, we're just going to decapitate the regime and not go in at all. that didn't work because the underlying politics wasn't there. now people are saying that had we just armed the opposition that would have worked. and i just don't believe it.
>> so, tom what, do we do? what is the thomas friedman doctrine moving forward? we were just talking about the hillary doctrine. we decide the hillary doctrine is just to get elected president. right now everything seems to be ad hoc. so what is the tom friedman doctrine? >> so here's the two conclusions i've drawn from the last decade in iraq. one is, joe, sometimes the necessary is impossible, or it's impossible at any cost that we are willing to pay. that's number one because basically you are having -- you're seeing states fall apart and i think the only way to really rebuild them is an international force to come in and stay for 20, 30 years, okay. so sometimes the necessary is impossible. and the other point you have to take note of is, number two, is that the two most successful arab spring nations are the two countries we've had nothing to do with.
tunisia and kurdistan. we helped the kurds early on but the people there came together in a no vanquish formula and they built the politics that could support a state which we can then come in and support. >> tom, let's talk about another ugly reality we've all had to face over the past decade. i was extraordinarily concerned about -- like i'm sure you were -- what had been going on for egypt for 20, 30 years. they are our closest ally but there are a lot of things that made us extraordinarily uncomfortable during mubarak's reign. we have the arab spring and now what we've realized is that sometimes if you want order, sometimes the alternatives aren't really that good. a pluralistic democracy sometimes leads to absolute chaos in some of these middle
eastern countries. that's something that i think we're all having to grapple with. let me ask you about the international force. >> can i say something about that? >> sure. >> because it's a very important point you're making and i'm as guilty of this as anyone. we thought starting with egypt that the alternative to atalk kraes was democracy. and it's turned out the alternative has been disorder. >> chaos, absolute chaos. >> unless you have some internal force or external force that can manage that disorder and basically build a bridge to a different order, which is very expensive, takes a long period of time and also takes people who know what they're doing, what the players are. if there's anything we should have learned from iraq, people are saying we should have done this in syria, it is that we don't know what the hell we're doing. >> what we have had to say right now in august of 2014 is that the question is the world better off, is iraq better off with
saddam hussein dead and in a grave instead of running iraq. that question is even up in the air right now, which is something i thought i would never say. and i know it's something you thought you would never say. i want to get to this international force really quickly, though. europe has been on a vacation from history since 1991. they do absolutely nothing. and as bobby ghosh pointed out during the break, it is the europeans who face the gravest threat from isis. not us. what is it, by a factor of ten, there are ten times as many europeans that are -- have joined up isis to create havoc in their homeland, and yet the europeans seem willing to do doing. to do nothing on ukraine, to do nothing on putin, to do nothing on iraq, to do nothing on syria, to do nothing. it might just be all of these things that you're bringing up,
might be just a little more manageable if the europeans would actually be interested in more than just the bottom line. and if the united states would do more of what the president is saying an basically tell them to go straight to hell, build your own militaries. you know what, it's not 1945 anymore. >> well, you know, joe, the burden-sharing here or the lack of it at the scale we need is obviously a huge problem. but i want to go back to something we talked about earlier, and this is really what i founding is underlying the president's thinking and it certainly has affected mine. the middle east only puts a smile on your face when it starts with them. the anbar uprising started with them. the camp david peace process started with them. and without a group of iraqis who are ready to come together and build a political platform of sharing power, any force we
put on that -- yes, we can kill bad things and suppress different things for a while but without that underlying political consensus, nothing good will happen. that's why none of these others, searia, libya, by saying if we'd only armed the rebels, this isn't about who you give guns and training to, it's about the will of the people to live together. >> as jim miklaszewski and dan senor and bobby gosh just agreed, this may be a 20-year project in iraq. and who has an appetite for that, especially if, as you're saying, tom, the iraqis don't even have an appetite for pluralistic society. tom, stay with us, we'll be playing more of your fascinating interview with president obama and why he says democrats are reason based and republicans are mired in, quote, wacky ideological nonsense. the president's words, not mine. keep it right here on "morning joe." savings accounts?
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and i have to say here, you know, i've been speaking in generalities and trying not to be too political. but that extremism position is much more prominent in the republican party than the democrats. democrats have problems, but
overall if you look at the democrat consensus, it's a pretty common sense mainstream consensus. it's not a lot of wacky ideological nonsense. and by the way, it generally is fact based and reason based. we're not denying science, we're not denying climate change. we're not pretending that somehow having a whole bunch of uninsured people is the american way. we're doing things that are pretty sensible. >> let's bring thomas friedman back in. a fascinating enter view. i don't even know where to begin with that answer. as you were listening to that answer, is this a president gearing up for a very important midterm election in 2014 or did you sense that's the president we're going to have through the end of 2016? >> this interview was almost entirely focused on foreign
policy. that was the only real comment about domestic politics. so i think it speaks for itself, i think. it's out of my lane, but i'll let you handle that lane. >> i'm hoping that he was just being partisan, but unfortunately i think he really believes that. let's talk about israel. the president also said israelis have a right to defend themselves, but also to live side by side with the palestinians. let me play a clip of what the president had to say. >> because israel is so capable militarily, i don't worry about israel's survival. others can cause israel pain. it's a really bad neighborhood. israel is going to survive, that's not the issue. i think the question really is
how does israel survive. and, you know, how can you create a state of israel that maintains its democratic and civic traditions. how can you preserve a jewish state that ialso reflective of the best values of those who founded israel. >> dan senor has a question. >> hey, tom, the president said in you're interview that prime minister netanyahu is so strong. is he so strong politically that that creates an obstacle with the palestinians. one of the reasons that he is so strong right now is he not only has the support of the right in israel but actually he has the support of the center left after this gaza operation. you have the justice minister who's very liberal, so isn't there something to the fact that he's built some kind of consensus and it's not just a
strong right wing political prime minister? >> dan, it's a good question. as you know, though, this consensus is very much a product of this specific context of israel facing rocket attacks from hamas. and there you have a wall-to-wall -- nearly wall-to-wall support for the president. i think you'll see that consensus break down almost immediately once there's a cease-fire and diplomatic negotiations begin over how do we actually resolve the gaza situation so we don't return to more missiles. the consensus will fraction in two ways. his right wing critics, because he's very much in the center, if not the left, will say he failed. he didn't finish hamas off in gaza. and his center and left wing critics will say you really don't have a solution for gaza unless you can bring the west bank palestinian authority back into gaza to control the borders, to manage some level of
demilitarization and that won't happen unless you resume the peace process. so bb has a lot of support today in terms of responding to hamas rockets but that is going to quickly fracture as soon as we enter the negotiations. >> thomas, we have to go but i have to ask real quickly, you've been following this so long. do you think the tragedies that we saw unfold in july in gaza give us an opening to peace with a weakened hamas, strengthened netanyahu. is there an opening to peace? >> you know, joe, i really think there is because people have got a glimpse of the next war and the next war and the next war. we've had a lot of leaders that have been dog paddling in the rubicon. they say, joe, i'm coming, i see you there, but they're actually dog pamgddling and that's got t stop. >> thomas friedman, an
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>> world news is diane sawyer is next. welcome to "world news." tonight on fire inside the neighborhood set ablaze after the military jet crash. the families describing the horror after several homes go up in flames. the manhunt underway at this hour. families barricading themselves inside as they take pictures of the gunman firing outside their window. authorities say he's heavily armed. our correspondent on the scene. no apologies. what president obama said today about that soldier saved from the taliban and that tape, what the pictures reveal from the tapping of his arm to what he's wearing and what it says about the soldier and his captors. come on down. remember the price is right contestant getting workers' comp even though she could spin the wheel? tonight who did authorities find
behind that hamster out on disability and collecting your money? good evening on this thursday night. diane on assignment. we begin with the terror playing out in two separate neighborhoods. an intense manhunt underway. families videotaping a gunman outside their homes not far from the canadian border. our reporter there and standing by. first look at this. the california suburb where a military plane came crashing down. several homes on fire. all of it as families watched. some members trapped inside the homes. we'll hear what happened and the cell phone video of the pilot saved. ejecting from that plane. abc outside san diego tonight. >> reporter: the panic in this california neighborhood after a fiery crash. the entire block evacuated.
>> airplane crashed on the block. >> reporter: a fighter jet plunging to earth destroying two homes and severely damaging another. >> he was flying slow. the fighter jet just kept going on a nose dive. >> reporter: the pilot ejecting safely. you can see him still attached to his parachute as residents rushed to help. maria escaped one of the homes that caught fire. >> my husband was trapped. we didn't know how to get out. there was pieces of jet and fire all over the house. at that moment i didn't know what his us. >> reporter: the fighter jet took off from the air station in arizona. on a routine training mission when something went wrong 64 miles away in the desert town of imperial, california. >> pulling that handle and being rocketed sky ward and only to be having to watch that airplane that you just left as it impacts a residential area, it is every
ejection seat capable pilot's worst nightmare. >> reporter: airplane debris scattered next to the crash site. released tonight, steve ricks served in the air force 20 years. >> we got super lucky. no one was injured in this case. really lucky this time. >> tonight investigators are here trying to figure out why the plane went down. they'll get important information from the pilot who has been released from the hospital with only minor injuries. david. >> thank you. now heading north to the other neighborhood on alert tonight near the canadian border. a manhunt still underway. families locking themselves indoors and rolling with their cameras. the gunman outside. abc's ron claiborne in canada tonight. just across the main border. >> reporter: tonight police are going home to home, yard to yard in a desperate manhunt. >> i know it's hard for
families. you're in your house, locked. you want to go outside. but the police is telling you to stay in. >> reporter: the nightmare began last night. the gunfire captured by a family in their living room. >> call 911! >> reporter: police say they were attacked by this man, armed and draped in camouflage. in the end three officers killed, two wounded. >> just ran into the house and we ducked under the windows trying to see what's going on. >> reporter: the suspect 24-year-old justin bourque terrorizing the city. from inside the homes, pictures of the fear. a child sleeping in his parents bathtub for safety. charles and his wife and two children barricading themselves in. furniture blocking the windows. >> the anxiety and fear, your heart starts to race.
you break out in the cold sweat and thinking the worst. >> reporter: the sounds of gunfire ringing out. police say sightings of the suspect during the day. they are searching the woods. tonight, they say he is very much on the loose. >> ron on the scene. thank you. now to the american pow free. bowe bergdahl. we're learning more about his condition, struggling to speak english again and the new clues in the tape. the moment of his release and the members of the taliban speaking out about how they think it went with a new threat. meantime, the images of bergdahl blinking in the sun. what does that reveal? martha raddatz on the tape and on report that is bergdahl had escaped the taliban before. >> reporter: today, the president stood his ground. >> we had a prisoner of war
whose health had deteriorated and we were deeply concerned about. and we saw an opportunity and we seized it. and i make no apologies for that. >> reporter: but today the taliban was celebrating. a senior taliban commander telling time magazine the deal for bergdahl would definitely encourage them to try to kidnap others. now everybody will work hard to capture such an important bird like bergdahl. and that clothing bergdahl is wearing in that handover video was a parting gift. the taliban wanting to leave him with good memories. it's a relationship we saw a glimpse of look closely again. you can see the captor gently taps bergdahl on the arm, almost like a friend, even while warning him never to come back to afghanistan. but a senior administration official tells abc news that there is no question bergdahl was held against his will in difficult conditions and that he
had managed to escape on several occasions and was recaptured. we are told tonight that bergdahl is speaking, in english, but still having difficulty with vocabulary and recovering words, although they say his comprehension is high. while that home coming celebration in his hometown has been cancelled. next week bowe bergdahl is very likely returning to american soil. david. >> martha, thank you. the president meanwhile overseas and not backing down on the deal that brought bergdahl home. the president in paris this evening where there is a dance surrounding the dinners as the world leaders mark the anniversary of d-day. will president obama come face to face with president putin. and putin making headlines with his own remarks about hillary clinton. smiling when she was secretary of state. what does he really think about her? abc's jonathan karl traveling with the president in paris tonight.
>> reporter: president obama is here tonight, on the eve of the big d-day commemoration and so is vladimir putin. the two butting heads over ukraine and while there is so meeting on the schedule -- >> i have no doubt that i'll see mr. putin and he and i have always had a businesslike relationship. >> reporter: businesslike? >> by working together. >> reporter: obama's last few meetings with putin have been ice cold and putin has managed to toss insults hillary clinton in an interview. on french tv. >> reporter: " it's better not to argue with women," putin said, calling mrs. clinton weak and oddly adding, "maybe weakness is not the worst quality for a woman." to keep obama and putin apart tonight, french president hollande had two separate dinners in paris. first with obama and then later with putin. that's right -- two diners but tomorrow an obama putin encounter is inevitable. senior white house officials telling me they don't expect
any beyond a quick conversation. diane was sitting down with hillary clinton with the exclusive interview. nothing off limits. but so many wonder erring if she will run from president. a rare and candid conversation about it all from benghazi to her relationship, her health and marriage and plan. she tells diane her own deadline. when we'll all know if she's running. the exclusive interview, diane sawyer, one on one, a view inside her life we have not seen before. monday night on the eve of the new book hard choices. we do move on to general motors. back in the news this evening. 15 employees fired over the recalls. the fallout from the ignition switches and lives lost. what the new internal report reveals and the ceo keeping her job. abc's chief business
correspondent, rebecca jarvis who has pressed that ceo for answers before is back on the story tonight. >> reporter: a moment of truth for g.m. ceo mary barra. >> this report is extremely thorough brutally tough and deeply troubling. >> reporter: the first woman to run a car company, who took the top job at general motors earlier this year, today unveiling the results of an internal investigation into faulty ignition switches linked to at least 13 deaths. >> reporter: repeatedly, individuals failed to disclose critical pieces of information that could have fundamentally changed the lives of those impacted by a faulty ignition switch. >> reporter: 15 g.m. employees, including senior executives, fired. five others disciplined. and evidence the problems were flagged as early as 1999. the engineer who designed it call it the "switch from hell." >> reporter: but the investigation found no evidence of a cover-up and cleared barra of any wrongdoing. a point she stood by since the
beginning. you claimed that never once this ever crossed your desk in the last decade. what do you say to the families? >> i was never a part of that process on this issue. >> reporter: barra announced the creation of a victims compensation fund that some members of congress were critical. >> this report is the result of the best investigation that gm itself could buy. >> reporter: tonight general motors still faces five separate investigations including one by the justice department. it could take until october for gm to fix the recalled cars. none of that seems to be hurting business. gm just finishing its best month of sales in nearly six years. >> doing well. thank you. we have been reporting on the severe weather and a new round tonight. heavy winds and rain whipping through the heartland. two people killed in arkansas from falling trees. look at the images. this small plane no match for the winds. this four-wheeler hurled into a garage.
in missouri trees bending, snapping like match sticks. here's the map tonight. expecting a large cluster of thunderstorms pushing eastward. atlanta in the bull's eye this evening. a major development, getting action for america's ailing coal miners. we told you about the hundreds of workers turned away while suffering from dangerous black lung disease. federal officials taking action. what every one of those workers once ignored can now do. abc's chief investigative correspondent brian ross on a victory a long time in the making. >> reporter: after years of bitter disappointment there is new hope now for coal miners like steve day suffering from black lung caused by the coal dust created in the mines. but day and hundreds of others were denied government benefits of up to $900 a month after one
prominent doctor working for the coal company said they did not have black lung. dr. paul wheeler of johns hopkins hospital. abc news investigation conducted with the center for public integrity last year found that dr. wheeler in some 1,573 cases never found a single case of severe black lung in nicole miner. not one. >> does it matter to you? >> it would matter if i were wrong. and no one is proving to me i'm wrong. >> reporter: but autopsy reports from dead minors revealed he was wrong a lot. and now the officials are reacting to our report. >> it was shocking. >> reporter: labor department examiners were ordered this week to not credit dr. wheeler's negative x-ray readings. >> my judgment of his credibility is unless someone can convince us otherwise that anyone who has done that many readings and never found black lung isn't probably credible.
>> reporter: for miners like steve day who had given up hope of getting his benefits, the laborer department says he can reapply and not have to worry about what dr. wheeler is going to say. for his part, dr. wheeler maintains he's never been proven wrong. he told me he doesn't take the laborer department action seriously because he says its officials are not doctors from qualified medical institutions but he says he is. david. >> we're thinking about steve day and all those workers. turning now to a tender moment late today. ten years since president reagan's death. his widow now 92 years old paying her respects, laying flowers. offering a prayer. she says she still feels his presence every day. much more ahead on "world news" this thursday night. remember the price is right contestant getting workers' comp even though she could spin the wheel? tonight we're back on the case. what authorities have learned about the man with the hamster dance.
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remember cathy cashwell? spinning the big wheel on "the price is right" with gusto, while also claiming workers comp for a shoulder injury. she pled guilty last year to fraud. and social security pays out $175 billion every year in disability too. last year alone, they received 72,000 reports of suspected fraud. like this guy throwing the football, who claimed he had shoulder problems. and this woman, lifting a heavy scooter, who claimed she had difficulty lifting. both of their claims were denied. >> people might want to make light of this and i would urge them not to. this is a serious problem. >> reporter: leroy barns is potentially facing restitution payments of $75,000 and six years behind bars. nick watt, abc news, los angeles. >> the unlikely pop star making
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down because of an ied in afghanistan. >> you were the only survivor. tough. >> reporter: it transformed his life in a flash. back home he got hooked on his pain meds and slipped into depression. >> a few things i was doing, not too proud of. doing heroin. >> reporter: a fellow marine came to the rescue. the sergeant recruited him to join a southern california garage staffed entirely by combat veterans rebuilding bikes and their lives. this is not your father's vfw post. >> every time i help someone else, i give a piece of myself back. >> reporter: this will be their third race together. jessie, the first double amp tee to compete. >> i imagine you need your legs. >> absolutely. >> reporter: for this wounded warrior a new mission, a reason
to soldier on. >> you got to believe in yourself. >> and that's why we would say you are are america strong. >> that's right. >> reporter: david wright, abc news, california. >> all of us rooting for jessie. and we wanted to leave you with this. one little girl at our world war ii memorial. for diane and all of us we'll see you tomorrow, good night. a mass shooting in seattle. what police are saying about the gunman. >> there was a long gun involved. >> bullets fly and a s.w.a.t. team, called in. who was killed in this officer-involved shooting in the south bay.
>> how red-light cameras are getting the green light from the state supreme court. and -- >> this money stays here in the bay area >> it could be a lot of money. corporations step up to pay for super bowl 50. now, there is a new logo to match the hype. >> five people including a gunman were shot at seattle pacific university. police say he went into a building, walked to the second floor and opened fire >> injuries described as minor to life threatening the gunman is in the hospital. >> it was a mufled sound. there is and then there was another
this is the fox report. i am molly line, in for harris faulkner. the crisis in the middle east reaches the three week mark with no sign of end to the violence. hopes for a long time ceasefire in gaza dashed. israel and hamas resuming full scale attacks that reportedly left more than 1,000 dead. ban ki-moon is urging the rivals to accept a 24 hour truce. it appears both sides are holding out. >> hamas has broken five ceasefires.
they rejected all of them, violate all of them, including two humanitarian ceasefires in the last 24 hours. >> the ceasefire is something we wanted, we have a government of national accord. we asked for ceasefires. we need a ceasefire that will bring out also end to the conditions that are creating and generating all this violence. >> meantime, president obama and prime minister netanyahu spoke by phone today. the president once again condemned attacks by hamas and reiterated israel's right to defend itself. he also expressed growing concern about loss of life on both sides. steve centanni has more. >> reporter: with terms of ceasefire being disputed, it triggered a war of words on the sunday talk shows today. on the israeli side, prime minister netanyahu accused palestinians of violating their own ceasefire and he acknowledged that international
public opinion may be turning against israel because so many palestinian civilians have been killed, but for this, netanyahu blames the palestinians themselves. >> any of these regrettable tragic civilian casualties should be placed at the responsibility of hamas. hamas is a terrorist organization, ruthless terrorist organization that not only wants to kill our people, it wants to sacrifice its own people. it uses them as human shields. >> netanyahu says the israelis have done all they can to avoid casualties. u.s. secretary of state john kerry returned home after getting a long term ceasefire. but diplomatic efforts continue. the palestinians claim the first step is for israel to end the siege of gaza. >> the violence is generated by a very abnormal condition called israeli military occupation. they value our lives and rights, they persist on bombing and
shelling people, civilians, and then blame the victims. >> palestinians also say they're surprised to hear netanyahu talk about protecting civilians when more than 1,000 have been killed in gaza in the past three weeks, most of them civilians. molly? >> steve, thank you very much. more than three years after the down fall of moammar gadhafi, libya is having one of the worst bouts of violence and lawlessness. death and destruction as they battle for control of the country's eastern regions. today alone, more than 40 report killed, including civilians. many more wounded from rockets crashing into homes. the fiercest around tripoli airport and benghazi. foreigners and locals now fleeing their homes as the situation becomes increasingly dangerous. earlier, the british embassy and convoy was attacked, wounded no
one. the growing threat prompted us to shut down the u.s. embassy. they were evacuated to tunesia under tight military guard. secretary of state john kerry says the embassy isn't being shut down permanently, but diplomatic activities are suspended for now. tourists are also advised to steer clear of libya. turning to the growing crisis in ukraine, government forces launching a major campaign against pro-russian militants, troops close in on a key rebel strong hold, in hopes of gaining control of an area where malaysia airlines flight 17 was shot down, killing all 298 on board. increasing fighting forces dutch and australian police to search the crash site, which investigators complain has already been compromised. steve harrigan, live from ukraine. what progress did investigators
make today? >> reporter: it was the first day for 30 dutch unarmed police to reach the scene and hopefully begin to provide some security for the international investigators. instead, on route to the scene because of heavy fighting, they had to turn around. more than 220 bodies from the crash site have been taken out of eastern ukraine to the netherlands where identification process has begun. for the few experts that have reached the site and done some research, they say there are more remains and body parts to be found. still has a long way to go and no progress today because of fighting, molly. >> steve, what's the latest on what u.s. officials are doing about russia's involvement in the fighting? >> reporter: a phone call today from u.s. secretary of state john kerry to sergei lavrov. he asked the russians to stop sending heavy military equipment, tanks and carriers
over the border to russian back rebels. he urged the russian toss stop. mr. lavrov denied that was taking place, mr. kerry didn't accept that denial. diplomatic pressure to stop the russians. the state department releasing satellite images of what it says is evidence of russian military forces firing on ukrainian positions from within russian territory. russian officials deny they're doing so. they say the pictures and attempt is a smear campaign against russia by the west. molly, back to you. >> thank you, steve, from the ukraine. appreciate you keeping us up on the conflict and diplomatic efforts as well. the first relatives to visit the crash site are coming from australia. this couple placing a wreath of flowers for their 25-year-old daughter who was on board and whose remains weren't yet recovered. >> we cried a lot. that's why we promised her the first thing when we heard this,
we said how could she survive this. we promised our daughter we will come here. actually as soon as possible, there was a time factor, yeah. we should have come here the minute it happened. the next day. >> those parents also went to the netherlands, providing dna samples for those investigating the remains. the immigration crisis continues on the southern border as washington is divided on how to solve this complex problem. democrats and republicans say something must be done soon, but when it comes to strategy and how much money to spend, our nation's leaders cannot find common ground, this as congress's summer recess looms. leland vitter has more from washington. >> reporter: it seems the only thing republicans and democrats agree on is that this is a problem. what needs to be done, much less how to do it or how to pay for it is a continuing battle. there has been much discussion
about president obama's handling things with an executive order or drastically changing policy unilaterally when it comes to immigration. republicans of congress don't like that idea in the least. even in congress. there are competing bills about various solution. the democrats are willing to give him most of what he wants. house republicans say they can solve the problem of thousands of minors coming across the border for much less. >> not writing a blank check but solve the problem. >> the american public wants us to have an orderly border. right now they see chaos at the border, number one. number two, keep in mind that president obama on june 30th sent a letter asking for money and a policy change. >> while the debate makes for fodder on sunday shows, there's been precious little progress toward the deal, much less the grand bargain on immigration
reform that president obama wants. house recesses summer vacation later this week. now it is crunch time, for there to be progress rather than motion. only time will tell if that happens. molly? right now, firefighters are battling raging wildfires that are destroying homes, forcing hundreds of evacuations. the latest on fires burning in several states. is the crisis on the border growing bigger as congress is about to go on a five week break, even though there seems to be no solution in sight. fox news political insiders are here and we want to hear from you. should congress stay in session until they hammer out some sort of deal? post responses by tweeting @mollylinefnc.
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tornado warnings in several states. meteorologist janice dean is live in the fox extreme weather center with the latest on this. >> molly, a dangerous situation for folks across the ohio river vall valley, tennessee river valley. conditions are favorable for tornadoes, 8:00 p.m., 9:00 p.m., 1:00 a.m. storms are going to continue to fire well into the overnight. i want to insist if you have noaa radios, put them on. you might be asleep and need to be woken up if there's a tornado warning. we have several tornado warnings in the state of tennessee, heading towards knoxville, tennessee. all the areas you see here shaded in pink, those are tornado warnings. we are seeing strong rotation. all these cells not only in portions of central tennessee but towards virginia and the border of north carolina. so very dangerous situation. several tornadic super cells are
moving into some big cities. in the great lakes, we have several severe thunderstorm warnings as the front continues to press eastward, a very strong cold front interacting with warm, unstable air, and that's giving us the threat for severe weather. for all of the big cities into the overnight tonight, including d.c., up to new york and boston, hail, damagingwinds, and yes, tornadoes. really, the state of tennessee needs to be on alert for the next several hours. then as we go into monday, the threat diminishes. but overnight tonight, if you live in those areas shaded in yellow, as i pointed out, across the ohio river valley, tennessee river valley, pay very close attention to your weather authorities. your current temperatures, extremely warm across the southern and central u.s. 103 in phoenix as well. you can see where cooler, dryer air is interacting with that.
potential super cells for the evening. ahead of the front, memphis is 104. behind that, cool, dry air. that's one of the ingredients needed for severe weather. through the evening, ohio river valley, tennessee river valley, the state of tennessee now into portions of virginia and north carolina on alert for tornadoes. back to you. >> thank you, important warnings. this just in in california. they tell us eight people have been struck by lightning on a popular venice boardwalk on santa monica bay. at the same time, we get a report a ninth person was hit by lightning on catalina island, 22 miles off the l.a. coast. the conditions of people hurt in venice we don't yet know. the victim on catalina, a 57-year-old man is said to be in stable condition. the lightning strikes happened
during a series of thunderstorms. rare for southern california this time of year. and this is also a fox news alert. out of control wildfires, burning out west, forcing people from homes and scorching several states. dominic de-natale has more. >> reporter: hey there. been quite a weekend for wildfires. let's show you a map of where the main concern is in california. the sierra, nevada hills. we have the sand fire. it consumed ten homes, six square miles of land consumed by the flames so far. that doesn't sound large, but this is a tough one. it is also effecting california's wine growing region. canyons of eldorado burning since friday. an area hit in 2009. people panic how it could effect california's precious wine
industry. listen. >> vineyards are going to be lost, and that's devastating to a.m. door and eldorado county. we can't afford it, nobody can. we are challenged by mother nature every day. >> 35% of the sand fire contained so far. they expected it to grow in size today. we will have data on that shortly. we have triple digit heat. this has been so far one of the hottest years on record for california. mother nature, firefighters saying, is not to be on california's side. >> this is going to be happening all over. i don't think it is specific to the area, this is what we are going to see across northern california until we get significant rain. >> reporter: and one of the other fires going on at the moment is 400 firefighters battling a 2100 acre fire in yosemite national park. the second time in a year
yosemite was hit by flames. 45 homes under evacuation. most of those housing for workers in the park itself. good news in washington state, the carlton complex fire. two-thirds of that now contained. and should be wet weather and cooler temperatures helping fan the flames there, that's the only bit of good news we're having as we gear up for the main firefighter season this fall. back to you. >> thank you for keeping us up to date on the fires. we are getting reports that two americans, one a doctor, have been infected with one of the world's deadliest diseases. plus, two years after a disaster at sea, the costa concordia making its final journey.
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two american health workers in liberia are reportedly being treated for one of the world's deadliest diseases, ebola. you can see him on the right. he was treating victims of the largest ebola outbreak on record, responsible for nearly 700 deaths in west africa. health workers face enormous risk of contracting the virus. yesterday it killed one of the country's most high profile doctors and a doctor from uganda died earlier this month. the ill fated costa concordia struck a reef in 2012, capsized, killing 32 people. today after a slow five day voyage, they pulled the massive vessel into port. that's where it first set sail in 2007 and where it will eventually be scrapped.
it ends a grueling salvage operation that involved pulling it upright without hurting the environment. the ship's captain, blamed for sailing too close to shore, is now being tried for manslaughter. he is also accused of abandoning his ship while hundreds of passengers fought for their lives. and now a bitter family feud is spoiling business at a popular super market chain in the northeast. began decades ago. two cousins whose family owns the market basket. the dispute spilled into stores with employees and delivery workers calling for a boycott. now once loyal customers are listening, they're taking their business elsewhere. brian yennis is here with the latest on this. >> very unusual. they have been battling over control of the market basket
chain for nearly 30 years. last month, long time ceo arthur t was fired. a decision supported by his rival cousin and opposing family members. well, that ousting led to protests and boycotts at many of the 71 stores over the last week. hundreds, even thousands of loyal customers and employees demanding he be reinstated as ceo. store shelves empty, drivers refusing to deliver groceries. loyal customers taking their business elsewhere, taping receipts from competitors to market basket windows. the super market is reportedly losing millions of dollars in sales. >> we're going to keep protesting until we have artie t back. whenever he comes back we start working again. >> he is credited for keeping prices low, creating a family atmosphere, and paying employees well above the industry standard. >> other than my father, i have no more respect for a man that
walks on this earth than arthur for how he has treated me and all of you. >> he offered to buy it from arthur s. the board will seriously consider his proposal, and the company is asking employees to come back friday, please end the strike. there will be no penalty or discipline for any associate who joins in what will be a significant effort to return to the unpar elderly level of performance and customer service that have been hallmarks of the brand. employees say they won't stand down until arthur t is reinstated, saying quote, we will work for no other ceo. >> i tell you, i live in massachusetts. fly back and forth here to new york. pictures of this have been incredible, aerial shots, the amount of people involved in this. it galvanized people. >> a lot of them worked for
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conner powell, live from gaza city, what will it take to get to a ceasefire? >> reporter: we spent the last 24 hours or so trying to see if the humanitarian ceasefire that lasted 12 hours yesterday could be extended. israel offered ex-tentension of that, hamas said no. we saw heavy fighting today but not like the past four, five days. we saw about a dozen or so hamas rockets fired from gaza to israel. we also heard and saw israeli artill parts here. for the last sort of two or three hours, it has been very quiet here now. of course, israel is expanding military operations, focusing mainly on tunnels and launch sites in areas where they already are in gaza now. they have not expanded to gaza city or some other areas. israel is continuing to conduct
military operations here, focusing on tunnels. hamas said we would reject a ceasefire where the israelis are allowed to continue to operate here. looks like both sides settled into a semi permanent ceasefire. the question is will it hold until tomorrow. both sides are under a lot of pressure to approve some long term ceasefire, and there seems to be support for it now in gaza. >> i was going to ask, you have been there on the ground, had a chance to talk with people. how much support is there for possible ceasefire? is it moving that direction? >> that's what's not really clear. there are a lot of people we have spoken to today, during the week, particularly during heavy fighting, when they were saying doesn't matter how bad fighting gets, they supported hamas, they feel the blockade around gaza was so intolerable, they wanted
the fighting continued, wanted the blockade lifted. there were many people here saying that. whether or not they're saying that now that they had a chance to see damage, had a chance to breathe, it is not clear. there's still a lot of support for hamas and any efforts to stop the blockade. whether they want to see the fighting as the holy month of ramadan is coming to an end, it is supposed to be celebration. a lot of people are buying supplies for the holidays and celebration. whether or not there's after this quiet period support for fighting is not clear. israel says they want fighting and rockets to stop. they're going to continue military operations to remove tunnels, want sustainable quiet. both hold to the ceasefire, is in question. we will continue to watch it. >> thank you for that insight. we appreciate it. the fighting in the middle east, one of the crises facing
the obama administration. washington is at odds about how to address all of them. as some analysts say u.s. is losing standing in the political community. tweet us. joining me, former republican congressman, pat goodell, and doug shown, fox news contributor as well. thank you for being here to talk about this. there's a tremendous amount going on. we begin with the on-going conflict in israel and gaza. the israeli prime minister netanyahu blaming hamas for breaking ceasefire agreements and saying he will do whatever is necessary to achieve the goal of sustainable quiet, security. dozens of soldiers killed, more
than a thousand reportedly killed in gaza, and international opposition is growing. as we move forward, are we doing enough in the u.s.? >> clearly we are not, molly. if you go around the world, in israel clearly we have not succeeded in doing anything but getting the most temporary of ceasefires, certainly no long term resolution. ukraine and russia, again, fighting is getting worse. we are tentatively talking about maybe providing technical assistance to the ukrainians to monitor russian advance weapon systems. libya blew up over the weekend. afghanistan, the taliban is making gains, the vote counting is now in question. and iraq is devolving into sectarian strife. president obama is not leading. we are a country that's weaker, less involved, less potent, and
the american people are angry. >> do you think we are being too tentative? >> i think the american government is not leading, not just the president but the republicans that control the house of representatives, the republican party itself is equally vak u us. there's nothing coming forward from them, other than their knee jerk reaction to bomb and invade people. why is a positive agenda? for instance on the gaza a thing, we have the iranians supporting hamas, giving them the rockets, encouraging this thing. why isn't the united states going to the arab states like saudi arabia and the uae and saying you guys have to come in here with your money and pay for the palestinians to disarm, to get modern, to give up this ridiculous notion of wiping out israel. why aren't we leading stuff like that instead of criticizing israel. >> there are so many players, the u.s., iran, qatar. so many involved.
>> you look at the map of the middle east, of the mediterranean, the area, europe, it looks like a map of world war i. you know, tomorrow is the 100th anniversary of beginning of world war i. a disaster brought on by miscalculation, lack of leadership from world leaders, particularly super powers, britain and it was a war of unnecessary disaster. millions and millions died. this is after 100 years of peace in europe. what do we have? we have a president today as doug said, yesterday we evacuated the embassy in libya, the country we quote, say, got rid of gadhafi, and the president was on the golf course playing golf with cnn anchors. this imagery of our leadership, of a president that doesn't lead and a world exploding, this kind of stuff has consequences. world war i is an example of those consequences and we are
playing with fire right now. >> interesting you bring up such historical context, there's always historical context when we talk about russia. there's so much going on with president vladimir putin there, the he escalating situation betn russia and ukraine. president obama is criticized as being awal, for lack of strength. two polls show an interesting juxtaposition. the first poll regarding the situation in ukraine, and who has the upper hand? a big, big majority believed vladimir putin has the upper hand. 75%. then another poll. should the u.s. be more involved in ukraine. when that poll comes up, americans say no. we should not be more involved, at least 61%. it is really tough. where do you go from there, when people believe that putin has the upper hand, but the u.s. should not draw deeper into this. >> first thing to say, molly,
despite the tragic downing of the malaysian jet, there's still a consensus by 60 points or more that putin has the upper hand. to that end, he is doubling down now. there's no suing for peace from vladimir putin. he upped the delivery of weapons systems to the separatists. he massed 15,000 or more troops on the ukrainian border, and is now firing with impunity into ukraine. the trend saying to be involved is up seven or eight points. to be sure, many don't want us to. but you can help, provide technical assistance, financial assistance. >> arms. >> give arms to the ukrainian military. >> meals. >> gave them old meals. >> but you can also do, if you were leading, if you weren't leading from behind, the european community, world outrage, what was lost the last
ten days by obama and leadership, this vacuum, we will pay a price for this vacuum in any one of these hot spots, iran with a bomb, isis, starting to kill christians if they don't convert perhaps. >> tremendous amount of things going on around the world and here. >> why doesn't the president go to europe and get all of the western leaders together in a room and lead. >> because he doesn't care enough about it, all right? he doesn't care about his job. >> some interesting things to talk about when it comes to congress, how much congress cares about things. >> they don't care about their jobs either. >> you guys are ready. we are going to get to it in a moment. we are seeing these crises overseas, but we're also dealing at home with illegal immigrants streaming into the u.s. on the southern border, and lawmakers are trying to come to a deal. are they trying? they're also preparing for a five week break. what do you think. should congress postpone that summer recess if a solution
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our nations' leaders at odds over the southern border. there's talk of an executive order to move forward on immigration reform as congress is set to take a five week vacation in days. our political insiders are back. thanks for being here. let's get to it. we are talking about immigration. this has been on everyone's mind. can't get away from it. today chris wallace spent a lot of time on this on fox news sunday trying to get an answer from the house majority whip elect as to whether the gop will
stay around to resolve to do something on this pressing issue of immigration. chris asked a question. basically trying to get to the bottom of this. will they stick around. take a listen. >> we're not even on recess, chris, we are here and ready to work. we're going to do our job this week. if the president wants to sit back, continue to point fingers at other people, he's the president of the united states. he could solve this problem today. i doesn't want to solve this problem but we do. we're going to stay and work and get our job done. >> do you think they'll stay? do you think it is important that they do? >> what bothers me about that answer is rather than the process question of staying or not, why doesn't he use this time on national tv to spell out what our republican plan is to fix the immigration and border security problem. i didn't hear a word about the substance of the issue, which is number one, people are still
streaming in down there, nothing is being done to stop it. border guards are 40 miles inland from the border. >> and john, the president announced a plan to begin a pilot program to take people from honduras to bring them in without them even having to get to the border. >> fly them in. >> we are divided. there is no consensus. i think it is a pretty obvious answer, congress should stay in session, period, no ifs, ands, or buts. >> the president is saying he will take action, the president and congress are being criticized. >> neither plan, the democrats, the president, the democrats, the house, care about getting a deal. if they did, they would be in a room getting one. this isn't that hard to solve. they're into the politics of it. president obama has changed his position about changing the 2008 law, which was a mistake. and encouraging people to come.
you know, he changed his mind because he's under pressure from voting groups he cares about, immigration supporters, the republicans are talking about deporting, the only thing they seem to be able to speak about. meanwhile, all they want to do is spend money. nothing is going to happen this week. nothing is going to happen. >> there's frustration. we are getting tweets, equal opportunity barbers, this one from rose bud. this congress is the greatest disgrace, no congress working, are you kidding. >> let me answer that by asking a question. what do sarah palin, ted cruz, nancy pelosi and barack obama have in common? they're talking not about this, they're talking about impeaching the president. this is the answer to serious problems. let's impeach obama, all doing it to raise money.
>> great bridge to talking about impeachment, a tweet from josh earnest that tweeted house gop's wrong priorities. new whip scalise won't rule in border vote this week, won't rule out impeachment. >> in the last 72 hours, i have 13 messages pushing impeachment and send money which is so much more than i ever received, even during the shut down. on the republican side, we have the same. people that make money on this, get people to read their blogs, extremists. this is insane. the democrats think this is august, excuse me, christmas in august. this is their greatest dream is to have this happen because in '98 they know majorities of americans who thought the president had done wrong on managing in terms of how he has tried to rule in a one-man show. yet the republicans go
immediately into can we go off the cliff? >> the elections of '98 didn't turn out particularly well. exactly. >> our slogan in the clinton white how was progress not partisanship. and we talked about fixing social security and keeping the economy going. john was alluding to it, has a positive agenda to deal with the economy, the border crisis to, the issue with taxation, moving overseas. no one is dealing with it. it is a crisis of confidence, a crisis of democracy. >> where is the republican alternative to obamacare? we were told it was coming and it never happened. they don't want to say you were mad about obama, you want to impeach him. it's not going to listen to whau elect us. that's the program. and they won't do it. >> the american people largely -- or the majority --
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your thoughts? >> that is a legitimate criticism as is suing to have the courts a s adjudicate as to whether the executor, obama, has gone too far. that's legit stuff. that's not crazy to do, all right? but speaking as a political person, we're three months from an election. republicans should win the senate this year. the thing that's lacking is they have yet to put forth their prescription for health care. what doug said, pro-growth program. they're afraid to say to the country, elect us. all they want to do is say obama is terrible. the democrats are -- which they are. >> both sides want to win senate seats. this comes down to the issues, winning the issues when it comes down to foreign policy, immigration, health care and everything else. >> what you're saying is the way
ordinary american voters think. tell me what you're going to do about the issues i care about. as pat and john are saying, very clearly, neither party is willing to do that. both parties play politics, attack, go to fund-raisers, send out incendiary e-mails. neither side governs from the perspective of getting results. we have a chance this week in the congress to get results on the va, immigration. we're not going to get it. we all lose as a result. >> super quick last word from pat? >> all i have to ask the american people is if you have no interest about what this is about. this is all about them. they don't care. the entire country -- the world is on fire. in a flame. and we are doing nothing at home or abroad to do what people want. it's all about us, the political class, and the corrupt media. >> and people are watching. that is for certain. we will see what happens in these elections that are looming 100 days from now. thank you so much, our political
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>> fox news sunday is a presentation of fox news. >> this is the fox report. hello, everyone, day 27 of the crisis in the middle east, the long east conflict in their history. new word is that israel is redeploying most military forces with thousands of troops outside gaza and israel is confirming they have successfully destroyed most of the tunnels that hamas used to enter israel but they will continue targeting the rocket sites and there is no under to the heavy fighting in the gaza strip. an israeli airstrike on a u.n. school converted to a shelter killed ten palestinians. the united states state department is condemning the strike saying the united states is "appalled by the disgraceful
shelling." how is israel's redeployment changing the fighting in gaza? >> the fighting here by no means is over, but just changing in terms of how the fight in gaza is conducted the last fur weeks. what we know is the bulk of israeli trips are being redeployed from inside gaza to across the border into israel. officials are saying this is not a withdrawal but more a strategic change in the way they will continue to fight hamas. israeli troops have destroyed the majority if not all of the tunnels in that has has built and used to launch attacks into israel, and israeli officials are willing to move out of gaza and will continue to pound hamas' rocket infrastructure from the air and sea but they do not need israeli troops in gaza to hit hamas' rocket information structure. hamas fires rockets into israel.
they are by no means giving up. it is significantly changing. most of gaza right now is relatively quiet. there is heavy fighting and shelling in the son part gaza near the generation border. what we now are seeing is a redeployment and shift in the overall combat area gaza. >> from the first time today the state department is coming out with strong words against israel and the killing of innocent civilians. what can you tell us about this incident? >> the obama administration and the international community have been very concerned about the way israel has conducted the war but mostly they have defended israel's right to defend themselves from the rockets attacks. there is a real concern over how israel has targeted certain areas. today, the attack on the u.n. school is the 7th time a facility has been hit. israel says they were targeting militants, not the school, militants on motorcycles.
ten palestinians are reportedly dead. more than 30 were injured. this is the 7th time a u.n. school has been hit. the united states came down hard on israel saying it was a disgrace. the u.n. condemned it. israel has been accused along with hamas of war crimes. there will be an investigation. right now the united states continues to back israel's operation here. they are trying to re-direct the tactics israel is using. they are concerned with the more than,700 palestinians that have been killed and the majority have been sevens and many of them children. the united states is coming down hard but not telling israel to stop citing hamas to say, be cave about how you conduct the strikes against hamas. conor powell, thank you very much from the border. a message from the white house on immigration crisis on southern border, an advisor says that president obama could act on his own on immigration by the
end of the summer and blames congress' inaction on the crisis. republicans are saying that makes things worse. >> in many respects, for those who support immigration reform, that is one step forward but three steps back. it would further drive the narrative this is a president not interested in enforcing our laws. that is the single greatest impediment to moving forward. >> congress left washington, dc, for five-week summer recess without passing a plan to stop the illegal immigrants from crossing the border. the house of representatives passed bills on friday but they will not be taken up in the senate. now to washington, dc. elizabeth, the administration is vowing to make a move with the senate or not. >> we get indications from the white house advisor who says the president will make a decision on how to use his authority to address the surge of young undocumented migrants blaming
congress, specifically house republicans, for are failing to provide funding to deal with the children crossing the border. >> the republicans last week took a vote to deport all of those people back to countries that most never remember. that speaks to the challenge the president has. we need to address the situation on the border and broad immigration. >> for a time line, he said that he expects action by the president in september after he learns of recommendations from attorney general holder and the department of homeland security secretary johnson. >> elizabeth, republicans, lawmakers, say they have a better proposal? >> they do. open friday the house lawmakers passed $694 million bill calling for expedited deporting which is small are price tag than the president proposed. they passed proposals which punish those who live in the united states illegally and supporting governors who are
facing the influx of my grants in the south. the legislation passed and combats the problems with policy changes not only funding. >> marco rubio said can you not fix legal immigration until you fix illegal mission. that means border security. that means being the strategic fence. having entry and exit program to ensure the forders are secure. >> the president said the proposals are extreme and not workable and vowed to veto the legislation if it reached his deck. >> thank you. >> the buy of an american doctor diagnosed with ebola virus is asking for prayers. she saw him today. he says he remains this good spirits. dr. brantly is one of two americans who became ill working in west after a his arrival in atlanta has sparked big concerns about bringing the deadly virus to the united states.
emory university hand and the centers for disease control are defending their decision to treat both american pay ships here. >> i hope and i am confident our fears are not going to overwhelm our compassion. we care for our own. we bring people home if they need to come home. we will stop the outbreak in africa but it will not be quick or easy and it is quite possible we will see it get worse before it gets better. >> officials in liberia say the infected american woman will arise on tuesday. we have more from atlanta. jonathan? >> a second american missionary will undergo treatment in the united states for the ebola virus, the nurse who became infected with the ebola treating patients in liberia working with christian charity. the dr. brantly is undergoing
treatment this a special isolation unit at emory university hospital and he represents the first active case of ebola in north america but there is no f.d.a. approved treatment for the virus, doctors hope to keep his body as strong as possible long enough for are natural defenses to fight the infection. >> we are ready and looking forward to fight the patient and assist his family. >> dr. brantley's wife says and i quote, "i spoke with him and thankful for being in the united states. and i am thankful to god for his safe transport and forgiving him the strength to walk support hospital." this video shows him walking with assistance but under his own power. his wife asks people to pray for him, the nurse, and those who continue to serve the liberian people, and the liberian people.
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israel's military opening what they call a humanitarian window in parts of gaza. that means they will take a seven-hour humanitarian cease-fire that will only be in affect for the parts of gaza where the forces are not operating. that cease-fire set to begin at 3:00 a.m. eastern which is 10:00 a.m. in gaza. first, congress is on vacation but depending on who you talk to they may or may not deserve one five weeks long. lawmakers left washington, dc, on friday, for the recess and their list of accomplishments...it was short. the house of representatives passed a pair of bills to deal with immigration crisis on the southern border but that is as far as they got upsetting house intelligence committee chairman. >> both chambers need to be back in town until we get this fixed. it is unconscionable we are not
trying to find a solution to what is a humanitarian crisis. slow land -- leland vittert has more. >> congress agreed only own a reform pack original for the v.a. and highway funding and, finally, emergency funding for israel's iron dome missile defense system. the house is controlled by republicans and the not is criminal by democrats, leave plenty of room for both parties to blame each other. >> i don't feel good. >> boat it because 3.5 million people have not had their unemployment extended. people are in bad shape. we have not done anything about the minimum wage and the immigration mess, we are not moving forward. it is a factory for showboats where votes are made more interested in winning votes for democrats in november elections than for winning jobs for the american people and that has to change. the senate has to function.
it is dysfunctional. it is frustrating to the american people. >> the american people are frustrated, the latest poll shows congress has a disapproval rating 79 percent and congress now is out on recess if the expire month august with the house of representatives and a third of senate gearing up for hid term elections, the quote remains 8. who will voters take their anger out on, democrats in the senate or republicans in the house of representatives? >> thank you. congress is taking five-week recess with many issues in the air. perhaps the most pressing is the crisis in the southern border. you can gin the conversation. pat caddell and fox news contributor john leboutillier, and, next, doug schoen, a fox news contributor.
>> either speaker boehner is beg the senate democrats to come back and do some work. he sent out a tweet yesterday. he sends on it a feet that says re-tweet in you movie senate democrats should come back to washington and do their job and you have the picture up there that tells you what republicans are doing and what democrats are doing. they already left town. >> the american people say a plague on both houses. they say the congress, democrats and republicans, are failing. right now, we are in a situation where the president is contemplating forgiving an navy to 5.5 million of the 11 million illegal immigrants. we have no action on the border. no action on the minimum wage. unemployment extension. we have paralysis. it is worse. this is chaos in washington. our systems have disintegrated.
we learned that the senate intelligence committee was spied upon by the c.i.a. who lied. >> boat it. we have an international situation which is in complete crisis around the world. our leadership counts for nothing. binyamin netanyahu made that clear. the american people are as angry as they have ever been. >> people have called out on the word "impeachment," although speaker boehner and others say in beefment plans are there. steve king did not discount that on fox news sunday. would you say the president's ears are numbs to called from conditioning to get something done? >> impeachment thing is a political tactic by the white house and by the ted cruz and sarah palin and steve king wing. they raise money off of it. the reality is what doug mentioned, floating out the idea
of getting am middle east to five million people. this is being done, the right is egging obama to do it so they can then say, he has now gone too far. we will beach him. it is all game playing. does anyone care about what is going on on the border? for all the kids that are dying and suffering? that is not american. >> texas governor invited president obama to the border so he could see it and, insteads he when elsewhere. he did not want to see it. >> it is sad that he didn't go. but what is sadder is we don't have legislation. >> but saying since the senate is not going to get anything done, the president will take marries into his own hands. if he did, wouldn't he have again to visit the border?
>> he would have done that if he wanted to. the answer to the border crisis, larger immigration problem, that can be worked on and it can be done in stages, it is deadlocked now, too, but the border crisis could be solved in a day. we know what we need to do. the president doesn't want to lead. he wants mill issue. the republicans don't want to do anything. though barely got something out the last minute. they want to make political points. the democratic senate under harry reid doing in about anything at all. they treat the v.a. throwing $17 billion at them without getting a solution. the answer is, we can solve these but they don't want to understand this bother impeachment game. the president will take the republicans up on this i have had 15 or 20 messages pouring
into the inbox and democrats are pushing this and "new york times" said, 11 members in congress, only these republicans. but the republican right want to raise money. the last want it. the president exercises no moral leadership whatever in a job that is moral he does nothing. >> on the convening part, all the presidents we have followed and studied, they would come to washingtons they get the leadership in the house of representatives and senate, get them into a room and says guys and gals we are unlawful leaving until we work out a plan we can live with. >> we know that will not happen. >> why not? >> the american people have to demand action. the tea party demanded act on wall street and spending and the american people need to rise i on the border, on board are security and the immigration issue and saying our leaders can
not just walk away from the problem. >> on re-cap the we, nothing was finalized on the border crisis, so i asked our viewers, what should he do first? will president use concludive order? >> the white house is say he will use it. >> do you believe him? >> in doubt. >> what will he do? >> it will be, he is going to allow children who is come here illegally to stay longer and not be deported. >> over 50,000 ill hell immigrants. >> it will be 90's the end of the year. >> what doug mentioned is come up with way to give amnesty to half the 11 million illegals. that would be unbelievable. >> the senate d bill without any legislative action would be unprecedented and it is under active conscious. julie, the white house is going to dare the republicans to impeach him and as pat and john said, it is all milks.
>> if they did that, the short term prediction, that would give the senate to the republicans. in doubt. >> pat, i want to put twitter replies to you, and you can react. >> one said the president of the united states will use his person and he campaigned on changing the united states. another says bring the senate back to vote, the democrats need to physical the constitution and vote. another writer says obama is gutless but petty. he doesn't do anything before mid-term. >> another says "secure the border and deport all illegals." you say there is something that can be done in when day. what is your suggestion? >> something that doug and john and i talked about in preparation if the show. what you would do is pass enough money to take care of the children and treat them in a hum
how fashion. we would go in and change 2008 law that was a terrible mistake. had no ron they should be children from central america shut be treated differently from chip from canada or mexico and send a message back to the home country that we are not just going to have unlimited open boarders. you would go in and pressure the mention conditions and the cattell -- by the way we have a lot military power. these people are raping children, killing children. the mexican government is doing nothing. we could put on pressure. we can do more to secure the border. by the way if we had alation like that, maybe we could get to larger immigration reform. the president inspect beginning to sign anything about the border. he is going to try to see if he can cause an impeachment crisis. by doing something that is flatout up constitutional.
>> the president will not be beefed over this. >> ridiculous. >> pat talks about women and children. the reason you see the tens of thousands of 13 being brought over is because of the injustice, the laws are not upheld. women are raped and sexually abused by family members. >> you are talking about el salvador, guatamala and hop curse. >> absolutely. we do need to enforce the borders. we not doing a good job. we have been talking about it for 30 years. when does the united states go to mexico and say you cannot clean up your mess maybe we should to prevent you from. coming to our country. >> we have leverage we don't use. we don't have to have the most oil imported into the country from mexico. we could threaten them as part of a deal to make them work with us to secure our mutual border.
that is in the long run. in the short run the children thing needs to be addressed. that is what the three us say, the president is off on vacation, why not solving that? >> we need to be humane to the children that are this. we have to be rational and use every resource at our disposal to secure the border and say to the central american presidents stop, stop, stop allowing people to come. if we put $1 billion into border security, if we use the national guard selectively and make it clear this is a national crisis we can move from that to more comprehensive immigration control but we will not get that until the border is secure. >> it is shocking to me the amount of illegals that cross. it doesn't sound like it is difficult. >> we spend more time and money on the border of pack scan and
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the divide in washington growing with the house of representatives purring to -- pushing to sue the president. is washington at war with itself? our political insiders are back. pat, it doesn't seem like washington is going to get
anything done if they continue sparring with each other. >> they don't want to get anything done. the larger point, doug's point which is good, well over 89 percent of americans believe that the political class in washington of both parties are feathering their own most and protecting their power without regard to the interests of the american people or to the interests of the country. that is true. the 89 percent need to understand all these people need to go. the immigration thing that is going on, look what happened with learner this week, she is supposed to be an employee of the federal government and serving of the people and run runnining around calling right wing's crazies and a-hole. what kind of country is this? we need to do something for
america. >> it sounds like we are listening to elementary schoolchildren. >> but it is our country and our government. the point i want to emphasize for our viewers is extra legal or constitutional activities are being considered. the c.i.a. spying on the senate is outrageous. the president considering implementing legislation passed by one house but not both houses is outrageous. we have a system now that used to be the model for the world and we are a laughingstock. when you go from ukraine to iraq to afghanistan and israel and gaza, all that we see is american lack of leadership. >> everyone is calling it a do-nothing congress. there is a tweet i want to read "why does no one criticize hear for not doing anything, the not
is at a standstill." >> what i used to call the mainstream media which pat and i will call the corrupt media, right, path they have a double standard. when the republicans don't do something they dump all over. when the democrats do that they do not mention. >> i don't know where to go next. you talk about the c.i.a. spying, for example, that is huge. no one has been fired. the president continues to sport its staffers and you have this c.i. interrogation report and they released by democrats who agreed with the interrogation party that now are backtracking including nancy pelosi, what do you make of all of this? we have heard on that, that committee, after five years, has still not interviewed anyone who was running or in charge of interrogation program yet we
will have a report to serve a political purpose? look, the politics of washington, these are dangerous things going on and the president is doing dangerous things. the corrupt media as john said, i asked the editor of "new yorker," saying be nothing but a flak for president obama for executive power. the question of my own party and everyone else, what do we stand for in we have a politics of divide and conquer which is exercised by both parties and the instrument of -- the object is to hurt the american people. >> you asked, julie, before the last energy, is this the worst partisan divide, the three of us and the viewers have seen and i was anything of it the last few minutes, yes, it is the west but a different divide.
this is the american people against all the insurance constitutions -- the leadership of both parties, the corrupt media, big business." and when doug uses the term "disintegration," he is not understating. it is dangerous and unprecedented where the united states, this great pillar of openness, democracy and freedom, is tee tearing on political chaos. because the leadership is a disaster. >> a lot of democrats are shying away from president obama. what does it do to the democratic party it means at john suggested the democrats probably will lose the not. in the longer term, it is extra legal activities that become the norm we have the risk this our system could well fray, disintegrate and ultimately, perhaps, collapse. >> like a banana republic.
>> that is right. we have a slow-motion country going on. george w. bush and dick cheney saying the president had dictator powers and dictatorial powers. obama is taking it to levels no one has. all of this is serving interest other than the cub. i'm telling you, the minute there's a man or woman who will stand up to the country as a moral leader and against this class they will win. >> all right. one second. we have to take a quick break. mitt romney is he going to run for president or keep, you know, trying to help other people win elections? on the campaign trail trying to help lead republicans to victory in the midterm elections. meanwhile, some democrats are distancing themselves ahead of president obama in voting in november. fox news political insiders are coming back with that.
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be the republican nominee in 2016? >> really? i wouldn't go that far. >> i do. >> hopefully we can replay the segment. >> i hope it's right. >> doug's predictions are pretty good. i think romney wants to to run but doing it differently. he wants the hillary clinton treatment. he wants all the money from the donors and bund lers. >> not the hillary media coverage. >> no. he won't get that. he wants money given to him to scare out all the opponents. he doesn't want a six month meat grinder of the gop primaries that moves you so far to the right you can't win in the general. he wants to be basically anointed like hillary is being anointed. he arrives at the convention ready to go. >> pat, is he going to run? should he? >> i want to tell you, i'm in shock by doug's prediction. i'm afraid he could be right. if so, that will be the end of the republican party. this is a man who should have
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to use the military, but we must always be fast if we even think genocide is a possibility. we should be fast with prudence. thanks for watching tonight. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. genocide. this is "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. genocide. if there is one word in the language that should cut off partisan dribble this should be it. once you see a religious or other group of human beings is in the process of being exterminated we need the to stop it. is there another view of this, a
moral opposition, a case for not acting when you hear an or pi of ze lots is marching in and crucifyinger or beheading people because they don't like their religion? let me hear it loud and clear that you are willing to let people be exterminated for being who they are. this is how i'm looking at the decision to strike at the isis militants marauding through iraq, killing all in their way. what disappoints me now is the incapability of the speaker of the house and others like john mccain to get behind the president and say we americans will not stand by in the face of genocide. why does petty politics and potshots and the rest of the cheap stuff have to invade every conversation? why can't we get together for a day or two to do what we agree is right, the morally necessary thing the do. now to the question of what's to come. tonight we'll look at where this is heading. the president has authorized limited bombing of isis to keep the militants from the consulate in erbil and from religious minorities trapped in northern
iraq. how long lit continue? will it eliminate isis as a military threat and who will pick up the fight against isis once we stop. in other words, how do we avoid getting sucked into iraq for the long haul? andrea mitchell is chief foreign affairs correspondent for nbc news and host of "the andrea mitchell report" on msnbc. michael leiter is a terrorist expert for nbc news. eugene robinson is a columnist for the washington post. the u.s. military started dropping bombs on isis today at 6:45 a.m., washington time. there were two separate rounds according to the pentagon. the first targeted a mobile artillery piece being used to shell kurdish forces. a few hours later drones and u.s. jets struck a mortar position outside erbil. andrea, this seems like we've got a good bead on targets. we are not shooting at areas, groups or whatever. we have one vehicle at a time. this is precision bombing which raises the question.
we have to go in low. then the question is how vulnerable is american forces in this limited humanitarian effort. >> what some suggested is it's too precise, too targeted, too simple. it's a piece offer artillery here. a convoy here. that you're really not getting at the heart of isil. not even at the isil terrorists surrounding the mountain top. >> can you break their assault with these pinprick attacks? will they stop marching on and killing? >> you can slow them. through other support of the kurds you can provide kurds the ability to push back. no matter how much you do around erbil you can't roll isis back without a much larger campaign. that's the big strategic question for the president going forward. >> gene? >> that's the question. is the idea to contain isis and stop them right there so i they don't take erbil or oh go further, which i think these
attacks could do. or is it to destroy this genocidal group that's taken over a huge swath of territory and provides a huge threat. ultimately for the united states. >> who are we talking to with these attacks. we are not trying to eliminate the enemy. we are trying to talk to them. stop. we are shooting at them like a shot across the bow. stop or we'll keep shooting. >> that's the signal. at the same time we are told the iraqi air force has been operational today. we have long -- >> what do you think of the air force? >> not much. in fact, weeks ago when we first started talking about isis's advance into iraq they said, we can't get involved. giving them hellfire missiles won't work. they can't run the planes. they could barely run a cessna. we are told the iraqi air force is there. what does that amount to?
that's number one. number two, what's turkey doing? getting humanitarian supplies. where is everybody else? david cameron said we'll do humanitarian efforts but the brits aren't going to get back involved in military action in iraq. same for france. where is the rest of the world? >> the points from josh ernest. we are in there to protect u.s. personnel. especially in erbil. there are a couple hundred people there. why didn't they evacuate? >> they started to downsize them today, by the way. >> we don't want to. the kufrds are our closest friends in iraq. they have backed us up for 20 years. that's about the most secure place we have. >> an honest statement would have been we are not there to defend our personnel, we are there to defend the kurds with our personnel. >> absolutely. we are not pulling out of kurdistan.
>> this is not just humanitarian or purely defensive. >> exactly. this is to sort of build a wall in front of the kurdish area. >> back to my question. >> certainly go no further. >> we were talking to kruschev. who will say, you know, this u.s. super power is to be dealt with. we are going to pull back. is there such a person? >> i don't know if there is any such person to talk to. i don't think there is. one interesting question about our military personnel in erbil, are they providing spotting help to the air strikes because these were very, very precise strikes. that's harder to do just from the air than it is when you have somebody on the ground pointing the laser. >> in truth, this goes back to my years as a naval aviator. these aren't especially hard targets. they are largely in the open. you can do it from 25,000, 30,000 feet. they are guided bombs.
the risk to american airmen is slim. you can always have accidents. what we have to do is increase the relationship with the with kurds. we have held back supporting with other weapons, spell jens because we want add unified iraq. >> we are blowing up carriers with those 500 ton bombs? isn't that a. >> that's what you use. >> the attacks have been small and pinprick. i think isis will take it. they still feel they are winning. >> i think they want to take casualties. that's been part of the appeal. they are not afraid to die. >> the travel warning that went out warned americans in iraq about the potential for kidnapping. also the terrorizing of the civilian populations. they are beginning to take americans out of erbil. they are still worried enough that they are downsizing. >> i'm worried about the pilots.
maybe i'm a parent about this. pilots? you don't want to get captured by this crowd. today, secretary of state john kerry cited fear of genocide, as i said, as the reason for the action. >> isil's campaign against the innocent including the yazidi and the grotesque targeted acts of violence show all the warning signs of genocide. for anyone who needed a wake-up call this is it. >> well, last night the president talked about the fear of genocide. let's listen. >> we face a situation like we do on that mountain with innocent people facing the prospect of violence on a horrific scale. when we have a mandate to help in this case a request from the iraqi government. when we have the unique capabilities to help avert a
massacre, i believe the united states of america cannot turn a blind eye. we can act, carefully and responsibly to prevent a potential act of genocide. that's what we are doing on the mountain. this week, one iraqi in the area cried to the world there is no one coming to help. well, today, america is coming to help. >> someone said the president is a realist with a conscience. he likes to stay out of the countries. he's not a neocon with a grand agenda for u.s. forces. he can't resist this. is this an echo of rwanda where bill clinton said i should have done this or kosovo or the holocaust? >> bill clinton told you and me after he left office my big p mistake was not responding to rwanda. you have samantha power and susan rice who were involved and care passionately about that issue in the white house and the u.n.
the u.n. has not said a word about this today. u.n. security council not meeting, not talking about this, to my knowledge. they have talked about ukraine. they have other cry sis, gaza. this president said only on friday we can't be everywhere in the world. saturday they saw what was happening on the ground. i interviewed brent mcguirk on iraq. he said saturday we saw isil moving with incredible proficiency, moving with command and control. routing the peshmikas. they went into another gear. >> there is no joy in the white house i can perceive. >> they are hating it. >> what kind of debate was there, gene, do you know? >> i'm not sure. it's basically do we do something or not. if we do, what is it? i'm not under the impression that everyone is agreed on what it is we are doing. >> they shot down not doing
anything. >> save the yazidis. >> save the yazidis. >> everyone agrees we want to prevent genocide. i don't have the sense there is a full-throated agreement or even a full-throated sense really of how far beyond that we go in terms of combatting. >> how many days ahead have they planned for, gene, do you know? . >> i don't know. >> this goes beyond the yazidis and genocide. with all due respect to the yazidis and stopping genocide, we have lost 150,000 people already in the syrian civil war. >> and done nothing. >> people have been slaughtered in syria. isis slaughtered tsunami slaugh came in. they realize they can't stand back any longer. >> this is the heartland of what could be kurdistan collapsing. if that happens, iraq breaks apart, jordan goes, lebanon goes. you see isis spreading like a
cancer throughout the whole region. i think this was the president having to make a decision he didn't want to make. we saw an animated conversation yesterday right before the decision was announced between the president and dennis mcdonough as he left for the bill signing. i wouldn't be surprised that there was some disagreement about the pitfalls here. that's what a chief of staff does. warn him. >> no, no. >> thank you. >> who could warn president obama? president obama circa five years ago. he can go back to his speeches and get the warning of what bad things can happen. >> and could still happen. >> i think he reached a point where he felt -- >> bad things happen when you don't intervene as well. that's what they are facing now. it's not making the region better. >> or invasion may have caused the instability that led to this. we could go back and blame somebody. i want to focus on --
ironically, i don't want to talk politics right now. thank you, andrea mitchell, gene robinson and michael leiter, for coming. coming up here, we want to take ary newed look at the involvement in iraq from all the angles. what are the u.s. military options now? who are the enemies? isis members who are bent onslaughtering in their path. president obama was elected in large part, as he says, because of opposition to the war in iraq. he's the fourth straight american people to order military action in that country. what's been the congressional reaction? most of it is small minded and deeply politicized. let me finish with what we are headed into in iraq. the urgent question of how we get out. this is "hardball," the place for politics. folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology.
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military options in the battle against isis. let's start by reviewing what action the u.s. has taken so far today. this morning two u.s. navy 18s took off from an aircraft carrier in the persian gulf. at 6:45 eastern time they struck isis military artillery positions near erbil. with 500-pound laser guided bombs. a few hours later, shortly after 10:00 a.m. eastern time a drone struck a mortar position killing isis fighters. four f-18 fighterers also from the u.s.s. george h.w. bush struck a convoy of seven vehicles and a position near erbil. they made two passes dropping eight laser guided bombs. the target is an insurgent group straight from hell that's amassing frightening amounts of power in a vacuum that the united states helped create. for how long can we continue the
strikes? what are young pilots facing on the missions and what happens next? retired army general barry mccalfry commanded the 24th infantry division and wes moore is a retired captain and combat veteran. thank you for this. general, how did you begin to see the mission from the beginning, what the limits are, what it can get done in a cowle of days. >> no question. there is a huge tragedy unfolding. a couple hundred thousand refugees in the last few weeks. families isolated on a mountain top without nutrition or access to war. it's a tragedy. a shock to everybody to see the kurdish forces evaporate. we've got a problem. we have to support are the kurds. i argued strongly we should have been providing them significant military equipment a year, two years ago. we are trying to artificially hold together an iraqi state
that's already come apart. my concern is except for navy air, thank god for navy carrier battle groups. we have very few forces in the region. you can't protect 1.5 million refugees or supply them a humanitarian aid from the air. these are political gestures, not serious military operations. >> what happens when they are on the ground and you're isis and you have committed to your goal of killing everybody else. why would a few pinprick attacks on some of your vehicles stop your advance. stay with that question. would they stop the advance? >> of course not. right next door in syria where isis has its preponderance of forces, 180,000 dead mostly perpetrated by shiite, christian and other minorities against a
sunni majority. all throughout this area, particularly syria, iraq, and parts of lebanon, this is now coming apart. it's a giant civil war, ethnic and religious minorities struggling. it will be solved through violence. it's hard to imagine modest uses of military power making much different. >> captain, your view. can a pinprick attack stop an army of zealots that doesn't duck. they're there for god and aren't worried about getting killed. i wonder about a strike against people with unlimited ze lalotr. your thoughts? >> we can't understand this in isolation. it is not just about northern iraq. not even just about iraq. this is about things happening throughout the entire region. one thing we were told during captain's training is one of the greatest oxymorons in the world is limited military operations. inherently they can't be limited. you're always stepping on the
doorstep of something that could be much larger. i think what we have seen particularly in the past week has uncovered two things. one is the lack of stability. this idea that there is no military solution that will be able to fix what's happening in iraq. we have had the past four presidents that had military involvement in iraq. the second thing and this could be the most dangerous. there is no iraqi national military. the iraqi military is very regional. you saw the way isil was able to cut through western iraq, cut through mosul like a hot knife through butter. the idea of a national military iraqi response doesn't make sense. >> well, that's point. i want to go back to your point about arming the kurds. we have an iraqi army against 7,000 isis forces. yet they are running from them. what would stop them? what sort of mechanized force, military armor, what can we give
them -- what weapon would make them stand and fight? >> it's a group that's widely hated. when isis moved like a juggernaut, most of it was nonsense. there are a few thousand fighters. sunni tribesmen rose up against a hated, shia dominated army and police force. the kurds, the president said an iraqi called who's going to help us. that was a kurd. they won't let the iraqi army back in kurdistan for the next hundred years. so the kurds are worthy of being supported. we need to give them the technology to defend themselves. possibly we'd support them with air power. basically again a giant civil war, ten years of violence.
i don't think the american people have political will to turn this around. >> let's start with the pinprick, the purpose. one goal is to defend our facility in erbil. can we do it with naval air alone, general? then captain . >> it's nonsense. it's a giant city, the capital of kurdistan. if they won't defend their own capitol, all is lost. i think they will. it sounded like the turner joy in vietnam or something. we are conducting carrier air strikes to protect the 200 people we just put in to a giant city? it's nonsense. >> captain -- >> if you want them to protect themselves give them the tools to do it. >> will the united states dr or is our statement that we'll use military face and naval air to defend erbil and our facility there something that will work? it seems that's one thing that will work here in coordination with the kurds.
>> think about it. when you talk about the application of military force, you think about how is the application of military force going to deter the enemy. how will it defer what you actually have to face? isis isn't making pinprick military attacks on civilians. they are not making strategic attacks on specific villages. i'm not sure how to understand that strategic pinprick military reaction to that is then going to counter what they are going to do in order to make a military action effective, you have to first understand your enemy and see how it's going to impact their actions. >> hear, hear. isis isn't into nuanced signalling. they are crucifying people, beheading them, trying to terrorize them. >> that's what i think. i agree. they are killers, not thinkers. thank you so much for coming on the program on friday night. up next, more on isis, the violent extremist group running through iraq.
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this might give you a sense of how the radical insurgent group known as isis operates. they catalog atrocities. as the financial times reported the military success and brutality of isis was recorded with the level of precision often reserved for company accounts. 10,000 operations in iraq. 1,000 assassinations. 4,000 hundreds of radical prisoners freed. this is a group al qaeda disavowed. they were a liability to the al qaeda brand they were so bad. the iraqi military forces and capturing critically important targets like the country's mosul dam. that's under their control now. this doesn't include the acts of horror that drove 40,000 christians, kurds and yazidis up to mount sinjar where they are surrounded by a group, ell bent
on converting or killing them. is this group over taking one of the last functions areas of iraq that we are now fighting from the group. brian cotolus is from the american center for progress. and one of their reporters with vice news has been embedded with isis. brian, how many are in the field now fighting for control of iraq and what do they want? >> if you add them up, iraq and syria, there is no border between iraq and syria. you have 10 to 15,000 estimates. a couple hundred from the united states and europe. >> those people from the united states, muslims come from that part of the world. >> there is a mix. people have converted. >> european backgrounds. >> yeah. >> how many of them are there? that actually joined this. >> a couple does frn the u.s. are most estimates. >> from middle eastern
background? >> it's a mix. some are americans that aren't middle eastern background. >> how many people joined the islamic cause not born muslim. >> we don't have precise figures. >> five, ten? >> a couple of dozen. >> it's a prost proselytizing organization. >> it's grounded in religion, but a distorted -- >> 15,000 in the field in iraq. what do they want in iraq? what are they doing in northern iraq? >> tapping into the grievance sunnis had against the shiite-led government in iraq. yes, they are the vanguard. there are ex-baathists. >> they don't crucify and behead people. >> they are part of the group. >> why do reasonable political people who are ethnically united against the new government over there supporting this barbarism.
>> ner not supporting it. >> they are living with it. >> but not fighting it because the group is so vicious and brutal. they actually strike fears in the hearts of many people in iraq and syria. >> sounds like the nazis. >> let's look at this. vice has no affiliation with us and nbc news. it has not verified the interview in this documentary. this interview is said to be with an isis fighter should give you a portrait of the mindset we are fighting.
what do you know about this "humiliated us in iraq." i don't remember that. is that part of the propaganda? that they have already beaten the united states in the field? >> i think they feel they did that in iraq. their world view is an expansionist, fundamentalist world view is what they are high on. we spent three weeks in syria and iraq. in the emerging caliphate, as they call it, trying to understand what motivates them, why they are doing it, how powerful they are. i think more interesting, what's it like to live under their control? we got a portrait that's chilling, terrifying and scary. >> when did they humiliate the united states? i don't know what they are talking about. >> they are referencing afghanistan, iraq. it's their narrative they are creating.
>> we left iraq in shiite hands, in malakis hands and walked out in the hands of a government adversarial to them. how do they see it as humiliating us? >> they have their own propaganda, view of the world they are telling everyone, their supporters. it chimes. they are viciously anti-american. it chimes. doesn't mathter whether it's correct. it's taken hold and it's spreading. it finds support in many parts of the region. earlier on people talked about it being a regional crisis. there is a real crisis now. this entity is spreading outwards to the turkish border, syria, jordan, lebanon. this is a real problem. >> let me ask you what you have learned. >> what we learned was we were in the base. we saw the weaponry looted from iraq. american weaponry paraded in the streets.
we saw indocket tri nation of children, boys as young as 9 by older men. one father asked his child if he would like to be a jihadist or a suicide bomber. the child said jihadist. they talk about the caliphate, the islamic state. we went in the prisons where people have been arrested for o possessing alcohol, waiting to be with whipped. it's a chilling portrait of what a society will look like run by hard line armed islamic militants. >> was your embed present during the crucifixions or beheadings? >> no. the film maker was escorted around by armed men. he went into the edge of iraq. he wasn't present at any of the brutality. as was mentioned before they publish it themselves. it's a very sophisticated operation. >> it's horrible beyond belief. we won't show it, but it's out
there. thank you, kevin. this situation. my complaint against the bush policy has been the idea that you can eliminate your enemy by killing them all. it shows us killing arabs and islamic people on international television. to me it breeds more. >> that's right. >> this is a catch 22. you kill them and they are replaced by more. if you don't, they kill your allies. >> there are no easy solutions. a key part is to get actor this is the region like jordan. >> last september. >> za are rkawi in 2006, the head of al qaeda. the jordan yans helped us get him. saudis and gulf states including kuwait. we saved kuwait. they have private financiers supporting groups like isis. working to cut off the funding and deal with the cancer. that's what it is. deal wit. cut it off. >> where was the u.n.? >> awol. i don't know what it's doing.
>> where is turkey? >> turkey is wringing its hands. they claim to be offering humanitarian assistance. it's unclear. that's what president obama is trying to do. get this region. >> once again we are the gurka army. we go in to run around and march for somebody else. we do it. thank you. up next, when he was running for president barack obama campaigned on getting the united states out of iraq. now he finds himself sucked back in. i wonder what he has to do now. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. r defending our country. thank you for your sacrifice and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel. thank you daddy. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance can be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote
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i ran for office in part to end our war in iraq and welcome our troops home. that's what we have done.
i will not allow the united states to be dragged into fighting another war in iraq. as we support iraqis as they take the fight to these terrorists, american combat troops will not be returning to fight in raurk. -- iraq. >> welcome back to "hardball." as i have said it's much easier to get involved in a war than to get out of one. something president obama is keenly aware of. he's gone to great length s to end the war in iraq. there was no small amount of pain when he announced new involvement militarily in iraq. he emphasized he hopes in this case u.s. involvement in iraq will be of a limited nature. still, as peter baker of the new york times wrote, in sending war planes back into the skies of iraq thursday night president obama found himself exactly where he didn't want to be -- hoping to end the war in iraq he became the fourth president in a row to order military action in that graveyard of american
ambition. kristen welker is at the white house now. first to you, kristen. if you could give us a sense of how this went tick-tock to a decision basically to get into it again. as we have done today militarily in iraq. >> chris, we are just getting our first sense of that tick-tock. i'm told by a senior administration official that on wednesday, after president obama wrapped up his news conference at the africa summit he was told by the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, general martin dempsey the crisis in iraq had reached a critical juncture, that isis was making gains, moving toward erbil. that's when the discussions began about how to respond. there was a high level meeting that night which included president obama. then that situation room meeting on thursday which occurred first thing thursday morning. president obama meeting with his national security team. i'm told in those meetings there was broad agreement that something needed to be done.
the united states needed to take action. the question was what would that action look like? one of the key concerns was about flying f-18 fighter jets. the reason is they fly low. they fly quickly. there were concerns though that flying those f-18 fighter jets would be putting u.s. military personnel at risk. ultimately though the decision was made that the need to take action outweighed the risks because of the humanitarian crisis and u.s. interests were threatened. also because of the strategic reasons you have been talking about, chris. the fact that erbil is a kurdish strong hold and losing it would be a disaster from the perspective of u.s. policy there. chris? >> tell me if i'm wrong. i looked for little things in the news. one was the release of the photo from the situation room. i wonder if they do it in order to show, a, the deliberate nature of the decision, how difficult it was, that it was a share ed decision with the military man dempsey there. i think that's him in the
foreground and tony blake and the national security aid aide in the back and susan rice there, the national security director. is that to show the gravity of the situation, the fact they released the photo. reminded me of the photo when we killed bin laden. >> right. optics are always important, chris. in these types of situations, even more so. i think you're right to under score that point. there was a desire to show that the president that his national security team were on top of the crisis. they were dealing with the crisis earlier today. we got video of president obama speaking to jordan's king abdullah. i'm told he'll make more phone calls to u.s. allies in the coming days to try to shore up support, not necessarily for the military mission, but to get more aid in terms of the humanitarian mission. in addition to all of those christian minorities stranded on the mountain, there are thousands who have been displaced by the crisis. he's going to be reaching out to
u.s. allies to get their support in terms of dealing with that. optics are always important, chris. i think that situation room picture we got, the video we got earlier today certainly is part of the white house's desire to show that the president is on top of of this. >> thanks, kristen. now to ron reagan. you know, grenada was a bite-sized war. how do you have a bite-sized war of a bigger war? you don't take one bite and pull back. that war is still going on testimony yeah, that's right. kristen pointed out a lot of risks here. it's one thing to say we'll have limited strikes, protect the humanitarian mission. that can go wrong in many ways. think about an f-18 going down, a pilot being captured. if those things happen we are in a different ball game. we don't want to be sucked into a war with isis in the middle east. that's for the iraqis, the
peshmerga of kurdistan. >> do they want to say let's watch the fight? >> i hope the peshmerga at least, they have been regarded as one of the best fighting forces in the region. i understood from the uh news report before i came in, you may know more that they may have actually freed 11,000 of those people driven from their villages now and overrun some of the isis positions. i don't know if that's legit or not. it would be a good sign if it were true. >> the kurdish army has been respected for a long time like the turkish army. any news that there was a successful military operation near erbil. in fact, in freeing people, allowing them to break out from captivity on the hill in sinjar. >> the white house hasn't given an update on the ground at this
hour, chris. i checked in moments ago. i can tell you their broader strategy in addition to firing the air strikes to increasing military support to the fighters. >> right. >> as ron pointed out, they are among the strongest fighters there in that territory. there was a fair amount of surprise by the fact that they were treated so quickly. and the hope is that those air strikes will give them time to basically reconvene, get stronger and rearm, chris? >> thank you for coming in on a friday night during a war, it looks like. ron reagan, i want to hear more next time. a little short tonight. up next, the reaction from congress to the air strikes in iraq. two coming here, one democrat, one republican. so we're all set? yyyup. with xfinity internet your family can use all their devices at once. works anywhere in the house. even in the garage. max what's going on? we're doing a tech startup. we're streamlining an algorithm.
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congressman dana rohrabacher, from california, who sits on the house foreign relations committee. gentlemen, thank you. let's start with congressman rohrabacher. your sense of this mission as it's been defined, are you supportive of this decision to try to hold off the isis forces from basically committing genocide to start with? >> well, obviously the president is to be commended for sending humanitarian support. the food, the water, to prevent people from starving or dying of thirst. and also, commendable to prevent them from being annihilated by people who are armed and they are unarmed people. but let's take a look, and a limited sense that he knows he has to use some american military support, but that should be very limited, and les remember that this crisis has been brought on because this president has not had a coherent policy in that part of the world. we end up not supplying our friends. we have withheld support from
the kurds for a long time, just like this administration is withholding aid from sissi in egypt that the egyptian government -- this crisis has been brought on by this administration. >> i accept that assessment. your assessment. what has been the rationale from the white house for not aiding the kurds sufficiently? do they want them to be part of the united government in baghdad? is that's what their argument was? >> you could hear it in the president's speech last night. his idea of how he's going to solve this is get everybody in the same room and agree to a government they can all agree on. that type of policy does not work. we should be supporting those elements that are pro-american, and if we would have supported the kurds, let them become a national entity, you would have had the sunnis and the shiites creating their national entity and that would have created stability. >> so, coincidentally, not bipartisan observation, but coincidentally, you're where biden is, let him split up, let him be three different countries. >> that's correct.
it's unfortunate this president has this idea that we're going to get everybody in a room and sing kumbaya and hold hands. >> fair enough. >> and that's going to create some kind of peace in that area. >> that's a good argument. >> they're suffering because we have not had a coherent policy of supporting those elements that are pro-american in that part of the world. >> john garamendi, your view of the whole thing in terms of trying to focus it on the situation, the humanitarian aid, you know, dana rohrabacher said we have to do something right now. it's the larger questions that haven't been figured out here. >> well, certainly true, but we have an immediate humanitarian crisis, potential for genocide, and the president is doing exactly what he should do and what i believe americans want him to do. that is to provide the humanitarian support in every way possible, and to prohibit or prevent any genocide that might be in the future. that's the appropriate way to go. >> can we do it with the pinprick attacks, knocking out a couple personnel carriers? we're dealing with zealots willing to die for god, determined to kill or be killed.
stop when we stop them with the sniper attack basically on them. it's not an all-out assault on them at all. >> well, the other option, put another 150,000 troops back into iraq, no way, no how. this is going to have to be worked out in that area by the people in that area. ster certainly the kurds have a great interest in seeing isis prevented from getting any closer, and involvement in their area. shiites likewise. the sir rounding countrying, jordan and the rest of them. all of them have a very severe threat, and, yes, we ought to get all of them in a room. kumbaya is not the right song. we better come together, together with those that have an interest in that area, and get to work on trying to prevent this radical group from taking over. that's what we have -- >> i was not talking about -- i was not talking about getting all of those other powers in the room. that, i agree with 16 100%. i'm talking about getting everybody in iraq in one room and suddenly then they're going
to find a consensus. >> congressman rohrabacher, do you think that the kurds will defend their city, defend irbil? will they fight for it in the next couple days? >> sure, they will. we need to make sure they have the ammunition which we have denied them. we have supported a pro-mull la regime in kabul, in baghdad. >> people hear your argument. i think people figure the argument out. i think we have to help the kurds. thank you, congressman john guer garamendi. and congressman dana ror bara r rohrabacher. a great speechwriter for ronald reagan. we'll be right back after this. from the pros. find more real possibilities at aarp.org/possibilities. machines will be sprayed to be made. and making something stronger... will mean making it lighter.
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all right, that's going to do it for this edition of "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ >> good morning! look at that, willie. that is a beautiful view. >> beautiful day. >> it's a beautiful day. >> last couple , not so beautiful. >> it's thursday, august the 14th. great to have you here with us. along with you, we have got washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay and nick consori and then with bloomberg news, al hunt. yesterday, willie, really bad storms out there. >> did you see some of the pictures? even out here on long island. cars on the highways up to their roofs. >> looked like a river. >> it was.
yeah, parts of the mid-atlantic and northeast cleaning up and drying out after heavy rains sparked flooding across several states. the hardest appeared to be long island. islip 13.27 inches in under 24 hours and more than a foot in less than a day. more than the region receives in an entire summer. the rainfall shattered previous records and a lot of cars abandoned and a lot of people had to get out and run. bill karins, this was serious business yesterday. >> epic rains, willie. we tell you record highs and lows. this was all-time records for new york state. we have weather records back in new york to the 1800s and we have never seen in new york state's history this much rain in 24 hours in any single reporting station in the entire state. you're thinking about all of the hurricanes that have occurred. all of the huge storms. the nor'easter. this was the most rain ever officially. it did up to 13.57 inches for
islip, new york. the old record was set recently with hurricane irene when it went through in tannersville, new york at 17.5 inches. it wasn't new york we saw the flooding. last night at midnight in portland, maine, they were telling people stay off the roads and they were doing water rescues as cars were submerged, especially in the under passes, with 6.5 inches of rain. this went back to detroit with record flooding with over 4 inches. a slow moving storm and a very unusual amount of moisture in the air. the precipitation rates were very high for this storm and very unusual because it wasn't a hurricane or a tropical storm and makes you scratch your head. it wasn't forecasted all that well. we knew it would rain and rain hard but no one was expecting this much rain in this short of a period of time. when it comes down that fast, that hard, you get the pictures like you see there. today, we are much better across
the region with that shot at the top of the show. it's a beautiful day out there, it feels like fall almost the next couple of days. if you want to scratch your head for extreme weather events this was one of them over the last couple of days. >> wild couple of days. bill, get the rest of your frac in a couple of minutes. the fourth straight night, the streets of suburb looked like a battlefield. police in full riot gear and using tear gas to control crowds simmering over the death of 18-year-old michael brown by a police officer there in ferguson, missouri. two reporters in town to cover the store last night detained after police ordered them to leave a local mcdonald's. wesley lowrie and ryan reilly claim they were handcuffed after police said they were not packing up their things to leave quickly enough. lowery caught part of his episode with the cell phone. >> stop videotaping.
>> please don't do this. >> let's go. >> you see me working? please do not tell me not to use my cell phone. >> let's go. down to about 45 seconds. let's go. >> reporter: the street -- >> let's go. not time to ask questions. move your car if your car is out here. >> reporter: what i was asking. you didn't have time to ask me. >> let's go. >> reporter: i'm working, sir. >> let's go. >> here is a door over here. let's go. let's go. you can move. let's go. move. >> reporter: sir, please -- >> let's move. let's move. >> last night, lowery who shot that avoid spoke about what allegedly happened when the camera stopped rolling. >> tried to direct me toward another door. i said, officers where would you like moo to go? the bag slipped off of my shoulder. officers, i need to adjust my bag and they said let's take him.
slammed me into a soda machine and grabbed my bags. >> reilly said, in part, a s.w.a.t. team just invaded mcdonald's. >> i was given a countdown. i was told i had, you know, 45 seconds, 30 seconds, to pack up all of my stuff and leave. at which point, the officer in question who i have -- who i repeatedly asked for his name and was never -- or his badge number and never given it, decided that he was going to help me pack and he grabbed my things and shoved them into my bag and i was then -- when i -- basically, he then arrested me and he handcuff me and put them on tight. he used a finger to put a pressure point on my neck and it was just very difficult experience. >> willie, i don't know. what do you think?
well, okay let me help you out here because i'm always the one that gets in trouble. i'll get in trouble here. i'll just say if i saw that video and my son was the one the police arrested after that episode, i said, joey, here is a clue. when the cops tell you the 30th time says let's go, you know what that means, son? it means let's go. i'm sorry. you know what? we have got a lot of questions out there. we got people angry in the streets because they won't release this cop' name. we don't each know what happened. we have two sides telling something completely conflicting so there is a lot of unanswered questions here. but i do know this. when a police officer asks you to pick up -- i can only -- i can only -- i've been in places where police officers said, all right you know what? this is cordoned off, you guys need to move along. you know what i do? i go, yes, sir, or yes, ma'am. i don't sit there and have a
debate and film the police officer unless i want to get on tv and have people talk about me the next day. i am sure i am just the worse person in the world for saying this. i can only judge how i would treat my son who is a reporter who, if he were in this position, okay, well, you know what? next time a police officer tells you that you've got to move along because you've got riots outside, well, you probably should move along. maybe i'm in the minority. i don't know. >> i don't see any evidence there were riots outside that mcdonald's. >> i wasn't at that mcdonald's. >> i wasn't there either. >> i don't know why the police officers were there. i know it's bad out there. >> if you're a reporter setting up shop in a fast food restaurant you're going to have a laptop, a wi-fi card, your phone, your charger. going to take you more than 45 seconds to get it together. he was trying to imply. the question is what was the rush to push them out of there? when he slips basically and drops his briefcase, he gets
arrested and pinned. it doesn't make any sense. >> we don't know how long that is. i don't know why the police were moving them along. >> listen, i'm just concerned by what seems to be this common misperception that it's illegal to avoid a law enforcement officer or take pictures of them. it's not. >> i don't think it is, but if they are coming in and saying that we're cordoning off this area and they say you have a certain amount of time to do it and, instead, you're putting up a video phone and you're asking some kid with a gun who is 25, 26, 27, didn't make the orders. >> the only comment i'm reluctant to have journalists become the central of the story and seem to have become in this case and something more seriously is happening in ferguson than what happened to these two reporters, but i think for a police force that is trying to show the country that it is capable of exercising restraint, this was not a
particularly smart public to do to slam the reporter against the soda fountain and handcuff them. >> first of all, katty, i think it's a bad idea to look ukrainian guards. >> paramilitary. >> i'm sitting there going, boy -- by the way, i'm just talking about this one episode. >> right. >> and, no, i find it really hard to believe that they couldn't have shown a little more he subtly through this entire process. >> they were quickly released when they got there and the chief got wind of this and said let these guys go. they were sitting in the cell and the cop came in and said who is the two journalists. >> let me ask you guys something. am i a sucker for the police saying telling you to move along or should i sit there and question him? by the way, what was he packing up? if he was packing up our entire control room, that's fine. he had a friggin' laptop.
come on! oh, wait, i'm packing up, officer, let me ask you a question. i'm sorry. >> isn't there a broader question? if it happened to these two reporters, it is some indication what is happening to other people in ferguson who are not able to -- >> is it? >> there is accusations of heavy-handedness by police in ferguson amongst the local population. >> but aren't there accusations on both sides of this story? we hear the story cops bad. we had a police officer come out yesterday. they are calling basically signs holding and people calling for murder charges. and i understand, by the way, for everybody out there, going, joe just blindly know is on one side or the other. you know what? i caught hell what i said about trayvon for months. in this situation, we don't know what happened. we just have absolutely no idea and you've got people, you know,
the cops are trying to protect the identity of this cop and his family until they know exactly what happened. we have, willie, two completely conflicting stories here. one, that the officer was assaulted. they went for the gun. they shoved him back in the car. and the other that this poor young man was just walking down the street and he was gunned down execution style. >> yeah. >> what do you do with that? >> you have a couple of witnesses including his friend who gave the latter version of the story saying he was executed and the police say something. that is the core of this. what happened? we don't know. he was unarmed, we know that. until that, it's not worth of us sitting in new york or washington to debating. we can talk about what we see in the streets in ferguson and what is happening and i haven't been on the ground there looks like a heavy-handed approach by the police there. when you have -- what have been
for the most part peaceful protests. >> it seems a lot over the top. and i don't understand that side of the story and one side of the story so everybody can take deep breaths at home if you're ready to eat cheetos. >> you know what? when we talk to bill bratton the other day, you know, what would fix all of this? have police officers wear cameras. >> absolutely. >> so we know what is going on. that would do two things. that would stop this from going on. that would stop people from falsely accusing cops and put a chilling effects on cops that use their power to push people around. i'm not talking about what goes on in this case. i'm talking about what we have all seen with cops across america at times they get a little too much power and they get a little too cocky. it would have a chilling effect on that type of behavior.
i guarantee you if cops on staten island were wearing cameras, every one of them, they wouldn't have put that man in a choke-hold and killed him for peddling cigarettes. >> i agree. i can't think of a single argument left any more to not do this. it seems like good policy and it's good for the officers. and it's good for the people they serve. >> you know who it's bad for? bad cops. that is who it's bad for. if i'm a good cop, i want that. because i want everybody to know what happens. i want to protect myself. i want to protect, in this case, if -- and we don't know -- if this cop is innocent, then if he had a camera on, he would be safe, he wouldn't be worried about his family. if he had children, he wouldn't be worried about his children. >> if you're in a tough call, do you want the only camera on the scene to be a bystander? >> exactly, with a cell phone. >> he could be coming in a
minute whatever prompted the altercation. >> what you always hear from police unions and police chiefs and police officers, that shows a little part of it. okay, fine. give us the whole thing. put it on squad cars which we have on a lot of squad cars and put these cameras on cops. it doesn't cost that much. of the only group of people that it hurts are bad cops that abuse their power. >> there is another issue, with the ferguson police force and i don't know how this is replicated around the country. the fact it is ungrossly represented of the population it is serving. what is it? only three of ferguson police officers are black in a population that is 70% black in that neighborhood? i think that has got to be addressed too. how much effort are they making to diverse their police force and why aren't they hiring a more diverse police force? >> you're asking for trouble. you really are. its insanity. >> absurd. >> look at the pictures of the people in s.w.a.t. uniforms it's white guys in s.w.a.t. uniforms.
>> if you're going to police any streets in any neighborhood, you need the community to be a willing partner. that's what bill bratton talked about in l.a. and what is talking about here. you can't do that if the police force is that grossly unrepresentative. willie good night. should we turn to some politics? >> i would love to. >> it was the hug everybody was waiting for last night. >> can i just say? i wasn't waiting for it. >> i know. a bit tongue in cheek. >> i'm not much on fake physical contact. >> we don't have any evidence of it. >> no, we don't. >> i think we should have every politician wear a camera! so we know what they are doing and if they hug, we know. >> that's an idea. so president obama and hillary clinton came face-to-face last night for the first time since a public flap over foreign policy messaging and the debate to arm syrian
rebels. they sat at the same table on martha's vineyard at a birthday party. hillary clinton said she was looking forward to making amends early in the day yesterday. >> hug it out with the president? >> absolutely! yeah! we are looking forward to it. going to be there tonight. >> is it a hard choice? >> no. in the book, we agreed, we are committed to the values and the interests and the security of our country together. we have disagreements as any partners and friends, as we are, might very well have. but i'm proud that i serve with him and for him and i'm looking forward to seeing him tonight. >> there you go. just two pals getting together. >> why is it that whenever we see bill clinton come on, we do and you can't see it, we need to wear a camera so you can see what happens. every time we see bill clinton, we just start laughing because he is just a natural. i love kentucky, you know? and everybody loves him.
we were like cringing for her. >> yeah. >> after all these years, maybe she has bob dole-itis? maybe she is great in person but it's so canned. it's so calculated. al hunt, you know, hillary, i have made no secret of it. i'm not ashamed. i called hillary my girlfriend in 2008. i love her. she is great. most people that talk to her and meet her away from when the cameras aren't turned on, think she is just a wonderful, wonderful person. i mean, some people who have worked for her might not think of her like that but in this case, she still seems so awkward, so stiff and so canned. let's be honest about it, so i insincere. the book could be titled dimple.
>> i love your idea of cameras on politicians. i want to have the exclusive right to bill clinton cameras. >> oh! oh, my god. >> a lot of that has to be redacted! we need a seven-minute delay. >> how many minutes would end up on the floor? >> joe, you know, this pains me to say, but hillary clinton is having the same kind of season as bryce harper. she is underperforming and it's careless talk. i think it was careless talk in the interview. then the walk-back was almost worse. i just think she's just, whether it's sea legs, whether she is rusty, it's really been a bad several months for her. do i think she is still the favorite for the nomination? of course, she is but i think what is occurring she is pro wall street and pro intervention and says to a number of democrats this is an easy ride to get in a primary and win 35% of the vote. >> al, do you think as you've
watched the last couple of months this process of going back to be the ringer as she was in the past couple of years and giving book tours and responding to questions has given her any paws about re-entering the arena in a couple of years? >> willie, i don't know. i think it's a really good question. i doubt it because i think it's almost inevitable she is going, assuming her health is good. but i hope, for cher sake, the lesson she has learned is that she has tond that maybe there is an inner circle doesn't serve her well and think carefully about some of these things. she's a very smart woman. whether it's we were broke when we left the house or this latest, it's been a bad couple of months. >> al, whatever the calculations about president obama's approval ratings at the moment, do you think that for her there is any long-term benefit in what has happened over the last few days,
showing that she is going to stand up to the president on foreign policy and distance herself? >> i think she has to strike some distance with the president over the course of the next year on both foreign and domestic issues. the same challenge that george w. bush faced in 1987. i think, a, she is not doing it well. if her message is, guess what, i'm pro wall street and i am pro interventionist at a time when i think the country is more populous and wants to pull back, i think it's certainly important in the democratic primaries. >> we are sorry about bryce, by the way. >> so am i. >> it's kind of astonishing, isn't it? the democratic party, the grassroots does not want a hawkish, you know, she lost last time because of this, right? >> right. >> and now she is going out again saying i'm more hawkish than the president. i'm not each sure republican
voters want that. >> while you're talking about this, i see the tubes going around in the background. >> oh, no. >> i'm going to get dunked. >> are you doing it? >> yeah. >> bobby jindal, the son of a guy challenged me. i'm going to get wet and we are going to have a special guest here also. >> really? >> you guys keep one of those in the building? >> i think mika may get dunked in too. coming off of vacation. her daughter is going to be leaving, amelia, wants to get one last shot in for her mom. >> this is for the als association. the thing that is going around. it's incredible. i did it a couple of days ago. i sent one to andy cohen. he did it live on his show last night and a couple of other ones. we will show that later. >> a couple of other ones, i think we should expand on.
>> brooke shields, wanda sykes. >> 37 monkeys running around and a camera on me, i don't know. i figured it out. did you know any of those guys that got arrested last night in mcdonald's? >> yes. >> they are probably wonderful guys. >> they are professionals. >> they are professionals, exactly. have you seen any silicon valley? they sounded like characters out of sal convalley. i'm sorry, they just did. >> i got my laptop. what are you doing, sir? i don't understand. >> hold on! 3.2 gigabytes in this laptop, sir. what are you doing? i don't know. have you ever seen silicon valley? >> never seen it. >> you will love it. you got to do it. >> i trust my judge. still ahead on "morning j " joe," the creative genius behind
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samuel. >> t.j. has a long commute for those of you that don't know. >> thank you, t.j. it's time for the morning papers. sacramento bee. lawmakers in california passed a 7.5 million water bill. the drought that continues to cripple the golden state. this is epic. the new plan marks the most aggressive investment the state has made in decades. the money is allocated to build reservoirs and clean up contaminated water. residents will vote on the measure in november. >> "wall street journal," cutting back on assault in your diet to harm your health. >> this is what we have learned, okay? i'm so glad mika is not here for this. you need more assault, right? and fat is actually good for you too. you see that? >> in moderation. >> i'm sorry. >> like red wine in moderation. >> assault, fat, and red bull,
the three staple of any diet. >> and wine? >> no that is always there. those who use less than 3,000 milligrams of assault had a 27% higher risk of heart attack, stroke, even death compared to those who consume between 3,000 and 6,000 milligrams daily. >> i like assault. >> like we count the milligrams of sodium. >> the fda says it plans to review the findings. "the new york times." e-cigarette is said to be the cause of a smoking bag. boston fire marshal says recharger batteries into in the cigarettes can cause a fire. the department is considering adding e-cigarettes to the hazards material list. a texas teen was discovered living in a walmart two days after he ran away from home.
employees said he lived off food in the story and wore diapers. >> come on. can home be that bad? incident to grow up to be an astronaut? >> he changed his clothes every few hours so he wouldn't be recognized. the teen was caught after employees noticed garbage which led to the area he was sleeping. so far, no charges have been filed. >> the diapers is proof enough. >> only two days. >> is that a testament to walmart? you could live in walmart, literally live in walmart. they have everything. >> i'm stunned katty saying he was only living in diapers two days. that is like a long weekend at oxford. a bear mauling drove a girl to the hospital. thompson was hiking on thursday when she spotted a seven-foot bear that knocked her to the ground and bit her seven times. when the bear retreated she walked nearly two miles back to her car and drove to the hospital. she is expected to make a full
recovery. >> that's a tough woman. >> wow. you know what we do? alex just said, we need cameras on bears. that s.o.b. thinks he is going to get away for this. he needs to be put down. >> need accountable in the bear community. terrifying video shows the moment water races through doors at a salve fear cafeteria in a hospital. the damage, full of three feet of water. >> where is this coming from? >> doors, tables, chairs, no patients or employees hurt during the incident. what happened? >> it looks like a scene out of "the poseidon adventure." nick, that was about 20 years before you were born. >> upside down. >> under down. >> the morning after. maureen mcgovern. ♪ it has to be the morning
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welcome back to "morning joe." pause for quick sports here. mike barnicle is at the table with us. scary moment at a minor league baseball game in connecticut. minnesota twins star collides with a teammate in the outfield halting play for nearly half an hour as he lay motionless. >> oh! >> unconscious on the ground and taken off the field in an ambulance with a concussion. as if it matters his teammate hung on to the ball. we don't know the long-term prognosresnosresnosis but it wa concussion. >> number one prospect in major
league baseball. five-tool player. can't miss but he has got some problems this morning and we hope he is okay. >> a huge talent. hope he is okay. manny machado placed on the 15-day dl. a right knee big strain. took an awkward fall. >> by the way, that was thomas fault. he dumped a bucket of ice over him before the game. >> the old roberts jinx. >> exactly. >> o's jonathan scope evened things up with a solo home run. same inning, adam jones up with two men on. he jacks a three-run shot to left center for the baltimore lead. they hang on. complete the two-game sweep with a 5-3 win. mike, they are starting to run away with this division now. >> the o's are very good.
adam jones could be an mvp. >> where did this come from? they stunk about 30 years. >> they are a pretty good team but the rest of the american league east is really pathetic. >> really? >> really. >> how about old steinbrenner sounding like his old man? telling the yanks to step it up. >> might be a little too late. check out san francisco and white sox leading the giants 1-0 p.m. bottom of the seventh. crew chief reviewing a game time play at the plate. he is out by a wide margin. after the review, the umpires reversed the call because the new rule does not allow a catcher to block home plate so he was safe even though he was out. white sox manager robin ventura comes out of the dugout and gets his money's worth. a little lou piniella, a little billy martin. >> they have alter that rule. >> that is terrible. >> wait.
you're telling me the new rule and a catcher can't block the plate? >> the rule was put -- >> that's why you knock them over! >> the rule was put in to prevent any more catchers going down with concussions. it's a sensible rule but it should be the umpire's judgment. clearly there was no threat to the catcher. >> that was a little swipe tag. wasn't like he was standing in front of the guy guy. >> why don't they put dresses on catchers. come on. >> they do have catcher cam. >> giants ran away with that game and won 7-1. >> we should tell you about a brand-new documentary title. the stars are aligned and takes a look at notable graduates from the s.e.c. schools and their favorite memories. although i said notable graduates, willie geist was interviewed about his alma mater vanderbilt history. >> the finest moment for
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official in gaza reported a dozen air strikes and no casualties. >> this israeli/hamas showdown front page of "wall street journal." mike was just talking about it. a stunning story that israeli outflanks the white house. while the white house is trying to tamp down military operations in gaza, the pentagon secretly sending israeli more armaments. >> the story is filled with all sorts of nuggets, too. including u.s. officials said mr. obama had a particularly combative phone call on wednesday with mr. netanyahu who they say that pushed the administration aside but wants it to provide israeli with security assurances in exchange for signing on to a long-term deal. >> unbelievable. with us to talk about this and the cease-fire from tel aviv, martin fletcher. it appears the cease-fire is holding, one, after a rocky start right before the deadline. secondly, this story is just
absolutely fascinating that netanyahu doesn't end runaround arched the white house. >> reporter: israeli quickly denied by many unofficial sources saying that it's actually impossible in terms of the -- in terms of the -- how israeli gets its hands on the weapons. you know, america, the united states has a weapon stockpiles in israeli and they are in warehouses in israeli for any kind of strategic need, so when israel deems it necessary, they get permission. "wall street journal" report on specifically, in particular, was the hell-fire missiles which are air-to-ground rockets, laser guided or radar guided. very sophisticated weapons that penetrate armor. israeli apparently used enough
of those fired mostly from apache helicopters to need resupplied. whether or not they did it according to -- in the way they are supposed to from an israeli point of view seems unlikely. how do you bypass the white house and state department? >> on the ground, the weapons depot in israeli who has charge over this? the israelis or american presence on the ground? you have to have a permission slip to get the weapons? >> you can't walk through the door and get what you want. you need to get permission from the united states and the former israeli ambassador to the united states who was saying this morning there were strict protocols and strict procedures to get your hands on those. having said that "wall street journal" seems to be very athorough tative and a hostility
between the president obama and netanyahu. whatever the details are whether or not israeli got a hold of the weapons in the proper way the more worrying thing in the long term i believe is israeli's relationship with the white house at a time when israeli needs american help facing the worldwide hostile its to its activities in gaza to the horrific death toll. >> martin, thank you so much. we really appreciate it. we will be following this throughout the day and the hour to see if the cease-fire holds up. let's hope it does. still ahead on "morning joe," hillary clinton and president obama bury the hatchet on martha's vineyard but is a hug enough to mend fences between the democrats biggest stars? joe klein is with us in a minute. plus, it's very disturbing. this one, wow. we will be right back. >> weird. ♪ we always have the right hotel, in the right place,
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great. so, any way we are going to get to north carolina in a second. nick, you brought up a remarkable "wall street journal" story. the story of the day. talk about what you found there. >> they were trying to undercut the administration's position and kind of create a misperception about the cease-fire position of the white house to delay a cease-fire. >> basically lying about our position. who is the client state? >> are we allies here or what? it's just amazing. >> now we spy on each other an awful lot. i don't know. let's go to north carolina. senator kay hagan looking to run as the party looks to hang on to the committee that is launching 9.1 million dollar campaign in the race against republican. watch this. >> it's right there in black and white. house speaker tom tillis drew a bull's-eye on public schools
cutting nearly $500 million. he sliced and diced education and creating chaos in our classrooms and hurting middle class families while giving tax breaks to yacht and jet owners. tom tillis. cutting our schools, giving breaks to the wealthy. the democrat irsenatorial campaign committee are responsible for the content of this advertising. >> he knows jet owners? >> the war on jet owners. a recent poll shows tillis with a one-point lead so they are tied over senator hagan. well within the margin of error. what is going on in this race, nick? >> money, money, money, money, money. >> a lot of outside money. >> $43 million in outside money in this race. >> more than what willie makes in a week. >> this $9 million is about a third of the democratic party's cash on hand for senate races. that's a huge bet. >> really? >> what is amazing is all of that money, the poll numbers really are not moving very much. it's basically where it was,
like, six months ago. can you imagine if somebody spent $43 million in the tax ads? yet this race is locked in place and it's absolutely critical. >> over the past several cycles, we have learned -- talk about law of diminishing returns. >> the one thing the big donors said hold on we look back at history as joe suggests and not getting our return for that investment. if i was a small businessman putting my money on american politicians at the moment wouldn't be seen as a very good return. >> they are paying very close attention to these senate races and all of the people who run these big outside groups, karl rove, folks associated with the koch's, they have a huge amount on the line. they sell their donors we temper expectations this time and we can get definitely three or four
senate seats but we can't promise seven senate seats because, last time, in 2012 they said we will get the majority and easy to win. everybody understands the stakes and everybody is much more sense is a tiesed how their money is being spent this cycle and how effective it's going to be. >> al hunt, $43 million in a north carolina senate race, that's insanity. >> joe, i remember 30 years ago, north carolina, early january, jesse helm and jim hunt tied. they spent a record sum and jesse helms won by one point. they didn't basically persuade any voters so i think what determines that race is they have come in and i think the koch brothers have spent $20 million down there and roughed up kay hagan some. i think what is going to determine that race will be
whether the african-americans and others in north carolina are angry enough that turn out to vote and hire numbers and they usually do in off-year elections. a real roll of the dice of the democrats and it's going to be tough. >> you look at the states, al. north carolina, arkansas, alaska, kentucky, you can go on and on and on. there are so many close races this year. this is going to be a big democratic year even though nobody is predicting that. it could be a big republican year or it could be a draw right down the middle. there are some tight races out there and all of the polls seem to be very close. >> joe, i don't think it's going to be what they call a wave election because as unpopular as obama is and republican party just as unpopular but it doesn't mean the close races may not break one way or most of them. clearly if they break the republicans way they are going to win at least seven of those seats that they need to win. but it's the red states that you mentioned but it's also colorado and it's iowa.
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you'll soon discover our mighty love ♪ ♪ >> >> are you going to hug it out with the president? >> absolutely! we are looking forward to it. going to be there tonight. >> is it a hard choice to call? >> no. in the book, we agreed and we are committed to the values and the interests and the security of our country together. we are disagreements as any partners and friends, as we are might very well have, but i'm proud that i serve with him and for him and i'm looking forward to seeing him tonight. >> welcome back to "morning joe." so good to have you guys with us. on set, the bbc's katty kay and "the new york times" nick
consofori and at the table with us is columnist for "time "magazine, joe klein and chief foreign affairs and host of andrea mitchell reports of msnbc, andrea mitchell. andrea, got a couple of questions for you. and the spokesman coming up for benjamin netanyahu and ask him about the article in "wall street journal." >> i bet you will. >> joe klein, we saw hillary there hugging it out. we were talking a little earlier and get the details talking about earlier how anybody who knows hillary clinton, i like her a lot personally, but she puts on the political suit and she just seems so stiff, awkward and forced at times like yesterday. >> yes, like yesterday. >> it was just painful. >> it's been a painful situation. i think that she wittingly separated herself from the president, although i'm not so
sure that i agree with the positions she took in that interview, and it raises the question about how she is going to separate herself from another prominent democrat, her husband. >> right. >> that is going to be a much big problem for her. >> i don't know if she is on foreign policy issue. >> not on foreign policy, on wall street. on financial policy. that is going to be a far more central issue in a democratic primary. >> right. >> she is going to have to make a decision about whether she supports things like her husband refusing to regulate stock options. >> she has already been down on to goldman sachs. >> you're allowed to go to goldman sachs and take a position that they don't like. >> she went to goldman sachs and granted them absolution in her speech there. >> she said to wall street, we are not making you our enemy and that is the message they want to hear. they will accept some policy differences but they really don't want to be is on the wrong
end of a stick and to be demonized. she has given them that and it's fascinating to watch as joe points out. >> let's go to martha's vineyard and get the details there actually what happened up there, katty. >> well, when the officials say that the obama's, we don't have the actual photo, the obama's and clintons sitting at the same table last night, earlier in the day former secretary of state clinton was looking forward to making the amends. it's not clear if that actual hug was involved. officials do say the obamas and clintons had a great time and danced to almost every song. we don't know if they danced together almost every song. despite the much publicized dispute the white house defended the decision to keep reporters away. >> i believe the president and secretary clinton have had hugs over the past few years and i'm
sure some have been caught on camera. i think this is a private gathering for someone's birthday so it's hard to bring you lovely people in. >> one of the articles is titled "is this island big enough for clinton and obama?" one writes her aides are making plain she has no intention of running for obama's third term. another section, david axleford, obama's former senior adviser and analyst for nbc news is quoted as saying, i don't understand why they are doing this. if i were her, i would be be so sparing with this she makes herself a candidate and a target why she would want to be out there so early is beyond me. >> david is free to tweet his will, joe klein, the other day, a jab at hillary. >> everybody is ganging up on barack obama right now. hillary is knocking him down. >> nothing to do with his
approval ratings of course. >> according to this story another drag down knock out fight with him last week. >> let's go to that story, andrea mitchell. pretty remarkable. netanyahu and israelis went around the white house's back straight to the pentagon to get more weapons, at the same time, white house was asking netanyahu to draw down, and if you read into the article too, they were also misrepresenting america's position in negotiations p.m. this dispute obviously, getting uglier between the white house and the israeli. >> israeli and the white house are going to deny these kind of details but the fact is even from the very sanitized readouts that we have been given of recent conversations between the president and the prime minister, it is clear and certainly from what john kerry said in that caught on mike
moment that he wasn't aware of when he was taping the sunday shows a couple of weeks ago, they are very concerned that the state department at the very top, kerry and the president, very concerned that israeli was not using what the white house feels is precision weapons in these densely populated areas. there is no question about that. these are american weapons and there are rules of engagement where we provide these weapons and furl all the way back into the 1980s with sharon in lebanon when cluster bombs were being used and talk in the reagan white house because american weapons are not supposed to be used offensively in inappropriate ways. there are rules of engagement in the munitions that we sell. so there is is a lack of -- a lack of confidence here, a lack of trust, and one of the things that was really overlooked in hillary clinton's interview with jeff goldberg is that she disagreed with president obama on iran, on the iran
negotiations, and on israeli. if you read what she said about israeli, she is uncategorically supported of israeli in ways this president is not. >> let's go to israeli right now and from jerusalem, we have chief spokesman for the prime minister of israeli, mark. a great day for you to be with us. we are reading stories in the u.s. which i'm sure you guys are reading as well in israeli talking about how at the same time the white house and the state department are asking israelis to draw down a bit in the offensive in gaza, that israeli was going around the white house's back and actually securing more weapons from the pentagon without their permission. what is israeli's response to those claims? >> the response is in the story. you know, there's no man closer to my prime minister, closer to benjamin netanyahu than our ambassador in washington ron
durham. we have a close military-to-military relationship as you know. it's only natural that that sort of military request would go through our defense ministry of the pentagon. there is no one says that we violated procedure and no one can seriously claim that what we didn't dough was routine. it's simply how do you say it? it's a pile of sand not based on anything. >> so, mark, are you saying then this is more of a communication problem between the state department and the white house and the pentagon, instead of between the white house and israeli? >> my prime minister has been in office now, what is it? this his second and third term more than five years and parallels president obama's first and second term. i don't think there has been an israeli prime minister and an american president in recent history who have spent so much time working together. my prime minister respects president obama. i know that he's called the
american support during this recent conflict in gaza and called that support terrific. the iron dome which was recently pushed through again, that is extra support for our missile defense system. we greatly appreciate and so i think a lot of these reports, they are wrong both in tone and in content. >> "time" magazine joe klein is bus and has a question. >> hey, mark, how are you? >> go ahead. we got 12-second delay. >> don't ask how the weather is. go! >> military-to-military, i understand. what about politician-to-politician? what can you tell us about this angry phone call between the prime minister and the president? and there is, as you know, a lot of precedent for this in this relationship. >> i think the word they used in the "wall street journal" was combative. i don't think that's a correct description of the conversation. obviously, i'm not going to go into details of a conversation between the two leaders. those conversations have to
remain discrete and that is the way it should be. i can only tell you that since this conflict in gaza started president obama has been hearth for israeli and condemned hamas behavior unequivocally. >> mark, there are lots of times you can point to instances where this relationship has clearly and publicly not been very good when prime minister netanyahu turned up in the oval office and lectured the president and when the vice president turned up' your prime minister announced new settlements on the west bank. this is not an easy relationship and the relationship between israeli and the united states is suffering because of it. >> i disagree when you use the term lecture. i was there in the room. i don't think that was the situation and i think the situation when vice president
biden visited was also a bit different. that's my interpretation. that's my impression and i was there on both occasions. i can say the following. i heard hillary clinton at the top of the hour saying as secretary of state she not always agreed with the president. that's natural. people have different opinions. people have different policies. people don't see eye-to-eye on every issue. fountain president and the secretary of state don't see eye-to-eye on every issue, is it is not illogical to president and prime minister of my country would agree on every issue? from the bbc, all of us know about the great alliance between churchill and they were allies and partners and anybody on who reads the history know the disagreements they had and also a policy issue. if i can put a bit of perspective on this, israeli and america are so close so whenever we have a disagreement it's front page news this time in the "the wall street journal," but we agree on much more than we disagree and we work together
very closely. >> we should have actually listened to the british a hell of a lot more in 1945. andrea mitchell? >> mark, what about the fact, though, that the weapons, american weapons are used in a way that this president does not appreciate, that this president really is offended by. it's very clear from all of the statements from the white house. how can israeli defend itself against rockets coming from gaza if the united states is so upset about the tactics that israeli is using? >> you know, over the last few days, andrea, american pilots have been flying combat missions in iraq against isis and they are trying to be as surgical as they can to stop isis from committing mass atrocities. both you and me know that sometimes bombs go astray and
unintentionally and civilians get killed. we made a maximum effort we would -- we never targeted civilians, not once. >> but, mark, if you look at the situation in iraq many people think we are not doing enough because we are hitting artillery pens convoys out in the clear and letting isis gain ground like in mosul. what about the u.n. claims that there were 17 warnings or 30 warnings in one case about the particular school? can you address those? >> i can. israeli did not target u.n. facilities. i can say that unequivocally. i know they were shooting at us from a u.n. facility or shooting at us from the immediate facility of a u.n. facility and using that for shields of their terror machines. i know there was combat in the vicinity of u.n. facilities
because hamas and the other terrorists turned those fa sillities arls naturals of missiles kept in the u.n. we didn't want to see that in the first place. >> mark, thank you for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. >> he is doing his job. >> he is doing his job. >> i'm sure he is a good guy, but let's just say what has happened. this is a relationship that was fraught with problems and it has just got worse because obama has found that netanyahu is going
around him to get weapons. >> i mean, you know, this has been a lousy relationship from day one. i think it's felt on both sides. obama spent his first term not going to israeli. he did. >> you see that poll 3% of, like, israeli people believe that he had their best interests or something. got off to a rocky start. >> that people in the clinton -- state department perhaps including the secretary herself were really pushing him to go to israeli. >> right. >> and to, you know, show a little love. he had been to cairo, made that important speech there. and there is resentment on both sides, i would say. >> i like how you defined it in the negative. he spent his first time not going to israeli. like i spent my four years in college not studying. let's bring in jim miklaszewski. jim, thank you so much for being
with us. so help us out here. we just spoke with, obviously, mr. regev, netanyahu's chief spokesperson, who denies "wall street journal" report, which is pretty stunning. tell us, what are you hearing inside the pentagon? >> reporter: where this entire issue arose, people here at the pentagon were discussing it openly because, at the time, it was considered a pro forma exchange. these missions are forward located in a stockpile in israeli that are under the control of the u.s. government so that in an emergency, if the israeli government needs munitions in a hurry, it's there. >> but, jim, doesn't the commander in chief need to define what an emergency is and what an emergency is not doing? i mean, i'm surprised that somebody at the pentagon, in a
situation this political, you and i both know that the more stars are on a general's shoulders, the more political they are, the more politically astute most of them are. i'm stunned they wouldn't pick up the phone saying, hey, we got this request from israeli. >> if that happened, personally, i don't know that it happened that way. but officials here, at the time, described it as a prearranged pro forma exchange between the u.s. and israeli in terms of providing them ammunition. can i tell you when we asked questions about it here at the time, there was nobody that was attempting to side-step the issue, doing the tap dance. they said, oh, yeah, we did it, blah, blah, and here it is. so i can't tell you if, in fact, there was anybody here at the pentagon that fs trying to undercut the state department or the white house. quite frankly, with the iron hand in which the white house rules this building, they don't sneeze here without waiting for the white house to say
gezhuntite. for the minute i can't believe personally that people here at the pentagon were trying to purposely hide this transfer of munitio munitions. >> it calls into the phone call between the president and netanyahu. >> it calls into question why is the white house so ticked off about this at this point? if what jim says is true and i'm sure it is, why is the white house making a show of being really angry? the president has been doing this an awful lot lately. he is really seemed cynical, not just about the press. >> he was born cynical about the press. >> and about the republicans, but about his own policymakers and just about everything.
you're beginning to suspect this is one angry man. >> the wj say they have been getting ammunition from the pentagon without their approval of the white house. there is either an issue of communication or it's something more underhand and conspiratorial about this. there is something here that is the white house is not happy about. >> jim, we will end it with you. what it sounds like, listen to what you're saying and what the israelis are telling us this morning, it sounds like you had a pro forma exchange, at least the two parties are saying it's pro forma exchange, that the white house didn't know about maybe because they didn't know the procedure? i don't know. it just doesn't add up. >> reporter: an example how they operate on the foreign military exchanges and sales. normally, when we ask a question about it the standard response in this building is talk to the
state department. >> right. okay. >> they know the rules. they know the routes in which this is supposed to take. i find it difficult to believe. it could happen. a rogue general sitting in an office somewhere and work hand in hand with the israelis but it just doesn't add up. >> mick, thank you. joe klein, thank you. what music are you listening to? who should i go see in brooklyn? >> who should you go see? i don't know. right now, i'm just coming back and i don't know. i am going on a road trip in the fall and going through the south and listen to some great blues but also you owe me something. you told me you were going to take me to a major college football game. >> i'm going take you to an alabama football game. >> this fall? >> roll tide, this fall and do music at the same time. >> we will do music at the same time. >> andrea, thank you for being with us. a great day to have you on here. we really appreciate it. andrea mitchell's report is on at noon. nick, thank you. >> thank you.
>> good to have somebody else who has seen silicon valley. >> i just want to watch the ice getting dumped on you. >> it's coming at 8:45. plenty of madmen, things are look like pretty dark for don draper. we will talk to the show's creator matthew weiner. president obama says no u.s. combat troops in iraq but the special ops that were on the ground were definitely armed for battle. air force secretary debra lee james joins us next. bill karins will have an update on the flooding in the northeast. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back.
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tear gas to simmer the crowd. joining us now from ferguson, missouri, nbc ron allen. >> reporter: good morning, mike. this is a piece of one of the munitions that the police were firing, a gas canister. we found it here. the tear gas was so intense, you can still smell and feel it in the grass and in the air here, slightly irritating to eyes. many people aren't surprised that this happened because they say that the level of hostility between the police and protesters demanding justice for michael brown and his family seems to grow deeper every day. for a fourth straight night, intense clashes turn the streets of an american city into a battlefield. tear gas sending hundreds of people fleeing for safety. dozens of heavily armed police s.w.a.t. teams, military style vehicles, enforcing an order banning large gatherings after dark. police say they responded with tear gas when bottles and
molotov cocktails were thrown at them. it had all started peacefully. demonstrators marching through the neighborhood where michael brown was shot and killed by a police officer. some weapons pointed at the crowd. >> you're subject to arrest if you do not leave the area peacefully j a man on crutches was removed by officers and this woman apparently got too close. >> we want peace and unity. we want to partner with the police to find out what happened and to bring justice for mike brown. >> reporter: police have insisted their tactics of recent days were necessary because of what they faced. >> the officers from area departments have been subject to assaults with rocks, bottles, an even gunfire directed at them. >> reporter: now some reporters also claim the police were heavy-handed forcing them to leave a mcdonald's where they were writing stories near the
protests. >> slammed into a soda machine. grabbed my bag and my phone. and put me in temporary restraints. >> what do we want? justice! >> reporter: with the investigation into brown's killing expected to take weeks and residents demanding murder charges against the officer who allegedly shot him, many here fear still more confrontation. police say they made ten arrests last night and in this area, there's so much violence that the fear of it, that the schools are closed to children today, about a thousand affected. meanwhile, the police are trying to set up a meeting with the brown family as they try to do everything possible to try to calm the situation down. joe? >> ron, thank you so much. wow. it's extraordinary that that is happening in this country. we are going to keep following that throughout the day. turning now to news overseas. the u.s. mission to help iraq rescue thousands of refugees.
debra lee james is with us. madam secretary, what a day to have you here. there's been so much bad news. we wake up every morning really early and scan through the news. it's all bad. this morning, it was like a ray of sunshine just because you never have good news. this morning, the good news came in the form of wire reports saying that actually what we're doing, what a lot of your people are doing over in iraq actually is easing the humanitarian crisis there. tels us about it. >> you're absolute right, joe. first of all, thank you for having me on the program today. you're right. overnight the news seems much, much better coming out of iraq and i think the key takeaway is that our humanitarian assistance and the limited air strikes that were ordered by the president are actually working. >> freed up the blockade, right, or the siege? >> so we and the u.s. air force, for example, have been able to deliver more than a hundred thousand meals ready to eat as well as 27,000 gallons of fresh water and the limited air
strikes have allowed some of the people trapped in the mountain to get off of that mountain so this is all good news. >> madam secretary, most people read the newspapers and they see this and say that is great, look what we do, we are great and we are great, the united states of america is great. but the logistics behind a delivery like this, the daily drops of food and water has to be enormous. where are these flights emanating from? >> as you point out there's a lot of work in the back office so to speak of our military to produce the type of operations that we see going on around the world. the key thing about mobility and that is the c-17s and c-130s that delivered this needed food and water is that they can emanate from any part of the world. they can come from the united states, they can come from europe and elsewhere in the area of responsibility. the key thing we have assets to be able to refuel and to be able tote go our people out safely to
provide that protection and to get that needed humanitarian shi assistance in there. >> madam secretary, i don't want to be the voice of gloom. >> you're british. why we have you on the set. >> isis is trying to control this region and given the chance they will probably try the thousands of people stuck on the mountain. this effort is not over for the united states or the europeans that are joining you. how do you carry on both with the humanitarian aid and the strikes against is circumstances to try to stop them from going back into the cities and villages where they are committing genocide against these people? >> the president has said this is not likely a short-term operation. >> first of all, later ask you why you're here before you go. 22,000. hi no idea.
22,000 air force personnel in new york? >> joe, i am here because of our people, our airmen. as you say, we have 22,000 airmen who either work in new york or who hail from new york. so just yesterday, i had had the opportunity to visit with our air national guard at our base and met with some terrific bronze star winners. they are combat rescue men to so these are people who rescue those on the battlefield. later on today i'll be going to rome labs for cybersecurity and the future of command and control and communications. we in the air force love new york. >> and from my friends at home in northwest florida, you also love? >> we love eglin weair force ba. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much. coming up next, two years after sandy, long island got smashed by another record storm and this time, some flooding there was even worse. bill karins joins us for that. up next, things get weird
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the dude abide? let's go to our louis bergdorf. >> i'm louis bergdorf. faster unseat belts because it's about to get holly weird. we will use any excuse to show you justin bieber's mug shot from last sun. he accepted a guilty plea of careless driving and resisting arrest with that infamous miami arrest. he made a donation for a youth charity and take a course in angry management. that ought to do the trick. martin hasn't finished writing the books to his wildly popular series but he says fans have suggested the ending. martin said, quote. at least one or two of the readers put together the clues i had planted in the books and came to the right solution. you're going to pay to answer those phones and get that coffee. >> you're finished.
go. >> the weinstein company run by harvey weinstein is offering wide-eyed hollywood hopefuls an opportunity to get their foot in the gor a medoor with a mere fi figures. the dude for senate? that is exactly what thousands of people from montana are calling for in on online petition urging jeff bridges to make a run after embattled john walsh backed out of the race. they call bridges the only candidate you can post pictures of him naked and smoking pot and it wouldn't affect him. bridges told howard stern his week that his wife nicks the idea. >> i'm unemployed. >> joe, the dude does not abide. back to you. >> the dude does not abide. >> i would like to see the dude run. >> he can just keep saying, that's just your opinion, man.
>> that would be pretty good. >> yeah. >> so you were the reporters in mcdonald's? >> yeah. >> you think the cops did everything the wrong way? >> i think the clip that we showed earlier is evidence of how not to police, how not to police. >> i don't think the reporters necessarily moved fast enough and if i had been told by the cops waving a gun to move along i would have moved along before they got to the end of the sentence because that is me and i would want to do what they said. i think what they did after slam ago reporter under a soda fountain. >> was that on video? >> nobody. the guy talks about it. >> we need video cameras on cops. >> it also gets into, joe, another aspect we have talked about this earlier, and other programs, the increasing militarization of police departments in towns.
>> hard to figure out how they could handled this worse from the very beginning. they look like they are in the middle of ukraine instead of in the middle of america. >> how do you trespass in a mcdonald's? >> i don't know what was going on, mike, all right? i'm only paid to be here. that's why i'm here every day 365 days of the year. >> that's true. >> whether the little red light is over that camera or not. >> you should take a break once in a while. >> i will not do it. this is my home. i've got no life. outside of this. it's a grim existence. coming up next, the end of an era. we will ask matthew weiner about the madmen finale and a few other things to discuss when he joins us next on "morning joe." ♪
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♪ you sure i don't have to go in and talk to anyone? >> no. i have the note. happy valentine's day. i love you. ♪ >> what an incredible scene. i thought one of the more telling scenes of this past season. matthew weiner is with us. his emmy award tv work from
madmen and writing to producing "the sopranos." now behind the lens as director of a new movie "are you here." take a look. >> let's get things started with a little shot of the harbor and some sea gulls enjoying the sunshine. how are you doing there, fellows? today's high will get up to about 65 degrees with unlimited visibility which means if we could get this knuckle head out of the way you could see down to the ocean city. clearest spot of the nation? that honor goes to bismarck. >> smooth as silk. seems like you on -- >> this is the hottest and wettest spot in the nation and i guess that makes it the number one destination for teenage boys. hey, victoria? >> i guess so, steve. >> oh, my gosh. >> back to you.
>> back to you! >> matthew, we go back a long way, my friend. a long way. >> thank you very much for your -- maybe our earliest supporter of the show. i guess you had basically cable back then. >> i had basic cable and immediately called every to amc and i sat there and just watched it. talk about binge watching. let's talk about the movie first and then to "madmen." tell us about it. that looks hilarious. >> it's kind of the first thing i wrote after "madmen." i wrote the pilot for that and then wrote it right afterwards. it's sort of a -- it plays a little bit on the way that we feel like we're in a movie at some point. zach and owen play best friends. i think they think they are liverg living in a stoe stoner comedy they are in their 40s and it was a chance to play with the idea
of like what holds a friendship together. >> tell me, because i've watched the internship like during my vacation 70 times on hbo. what is it about owen wilson? >> so funny. >> i love owen wilson. what is it about that man on screen that makes everybody love him? >> i wrote the movie for him. >> did you? >> one of the thing that was kind of fun about it this plays with his on-screen persona because he is similar character. . he is a little wasted and has problems with authority and he is unreliable but he also, it sort of becomes a story about, like, what happens if that guy has to, like, look at himself in the mirror? what is going on underneath that? the thing i love about owen is he has this warmth. he has kind of like bill murray glibness to him which i love. >> he does. >> but he is also really an actor and i think a little bit of sensitivity to him underneath it and he is super smart and i
think goes against the entire character he is playing. >> can you script zach? >> zach is a real actor and he learned his lines. no, i want people to know that. you don't need to script him to some degree. he radiates a kind of warmth and he is just like a really nice guy. we shot in north carolina, which is where he is from. he was -- he's just a lot of fun. it's exactly what you would want it to be. >> in the description you gave of owen and the fact you had him in mind for this part and you wrote it for him and then the description that you give maybe not a director's dream in terms of putting a guy that could be a little dry? >> that is his character. that is his character, you know? >> but he can take direction? >> he had an oscar nomination for writing. i don't. he is really smart. and so he's playing a person so he is thoughtful about it. but there is something he does
with the silence and something about him being able -- both of these characters a lot of this movie is about telling the truth and both of these characters, especially owen's character says exactly what is going on in the in a moment most matter how incredibly awkward it is. you see that. he gets away with it. i don't even know what that quality is. i don't know if it's, you know, a childhood thing, adaption thing but there is a mystery about stardom and what people, talk about characters popping or actors getting in the screen and what they give off. i don't know. for me, he's always in this, like, a little bit of thought under neath all of that and a little bit of sadness. the movie has like this sort of change of tone and i think you will see that owen and zach are doing things they have both never done before. >> let's talk about "madmen." it was a little darker this past season. i said it reminded me of watching "let it be." the documentary you have all of these people you love but it seems to be surrounded by, what, a lot of sadness.
>> yes. but it's also a story of triumph. >> yes. >> this is the whole thing about telling a story. there is going to be 92 hours of this thing when it's done. one of the things you want to do is not repeat yourself. you wano is not repeat yourself but you don't want to mix it up to keep it interesting. part of it is to sort of take the next step in his life. the previous season he had ruined his life. it was the story of 1968, it was also the story of don falling apart. his daughter found out that he was having an affair, his drinking was out of control -- >> and how ironic don didn't get in trouble when he was lying. he only got in trouble when he was telling the truth and that was when we had that wonderful scene with sally at the end, who's just an extraordinary actress. but he asked why she had gotten fired after he kept it from her and he said basically because i told the truth. >> yes. >> at the wrong time. >> not great parenting probably to share that with your kid but she knows a lot of things about
him that we don't know about our parents, hopefully. and the story last season was kind of him working his way up inside his own business and kind of saying, well, you're waiting for him to self-destruct. you're waiting for him to act on his impulses and blow it like he always does. you're waiting for him to be selfish, and you're hoping that he can repair his relationship with peggy. telling that story, when we did that episode in particular with sally, which was directed by mike uppendahl. you're like he has to tell the truth to her, treat her like an adult. she knows everything about him. and that scene at the end which is every parent's dream. we were saying like don draper, a lot of his life is about his horrible childhood. he has just learned that you really got to work a lot harder to lose the love of your kids. every time the show can have a genuine earned emotion, i think
it distinguishes it. i think it distinguishes it from the kind of liker for formulaic stuff. >> i just want to show one more scene. i'm sorry, we're way over. >> i don't care. >> you don't have the scene? why don't you -- yes. >> which one. >> i think you can, question authority. i think one of the more -- do you have it? okay, play it. >> let's get things started -- >> no, come on. >> t.j., you suck. you did that on purpose. show me -- show me the one. do you have that one? here we go. here's one of the more telling scenes i think. i want you to tell me about it, go, t.j. >> you said you didn't know what was going on. this beatles album, start with this one. >> have fun.
♪ >> don draper in a world he doesn't understand anymore. he is a sinatra man, not a beatles man. >> i think everybody was a beatles person. this, like a lot of the stories on the show, was something somebody told me. and the guy told me this amazing story that he and his father, they had a lot of battles, but they both loved the beatles. and then revolver came out and they listened to the album and his father just said i don't get this anymore.
and to me it was like -- don is not -- does not want to be part of that. it's not just -- it's definitely part of the thing about it being a sinatra thing but that's one of the interesting things about this period and about the show. we did "my way" last year. "my way" is a number one song in 1969. i don't know that everybody is a sinatra man or beatles man or the jefferson airplane. there is a subversive streak in the united states. there's also an openness that goes with it. and you see something where our perception of what it was like is not -- it's like it is now, you know. if you want to, you can keep up with things. >> my dad -- >> real emotion wins out. >> i became a huge beatles fan because my dad had every album up until "revolver." so you tell that story, yeah, he didn't understand anymore. listen, we're excited. thank you for being with us, matthew. >> thank you. >> and the movie is "are you here." it debuts next friday, august
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insisted that u.s. troops would not be put back into a combat role in america -- >> american military forces were on the ground today in the middle of a combat zone. the heavily armed green berets were there to assess what it take to put together a rescue operation. >> the question is whether american forces will get drawn into a direct slash with the militants of the islamic state. >> after dark it does get a little dangerous. >> for the third straight night the streets of ferguson looked like a battlefield. >> tear gas has been filling the air and bullets of lighting up the night. >> two reporters in ferguson, missouri, were arrested by ferguson police. >> evidently i was not moving quickly enough. >> i'm ready to take my kids and i'm ready to go. it's scary. >> are you going to hug it out with the president? >> absolutely. >> at an event in martha's vineya vineyard, it's getting a lot more attention than it might have. >> since clinton criticized her former boss in a magazine interview. >> we had any disagreement as partners and friends and i'm
looking forward to seeing him tonight. >> she still seems so insincere. >> harry reid said what you're doing is a political stunt. >> we will do what we have to do in the state of texas to protect our citizens. harry reid needs to try that on. >> yes, sir. all right. welcome back to "morning joe." great to have you back with us. do we have the clock, t.j., are are you going to screw that one up too? >> i have it. >> do you want to put it up there? >> oh, look at that. so there's the 50 minutes till i think i get in there and get ice water dumped on me, all for a good cause. this is mika's daughter amelia and graham. they're going to dump, i guess, ice on mika's head too. it's the last thing she's going to do before going off to
college. she gets one last shot at her mom. >> that's good. >> it's good to end your 18 years at home. >> it's a good negotiation tactic for the allowance discussion. >> i think so. with us on set we have fortune magazine's assistant editor leigh gallagher. also the director of the earth institute at columbia university, dr. jeffrey sachs who, wow, hillary clinton's foreign policy deception. we're going to be talking about that in just one second. first, parts of the mid-atlantic and northeast are cleaning up and drying out after heavy rain sparked flooding across several states. >> yeah, the hardest hit area appeared to be long island where islip, new york, saw a record amount of rain. 13.57 inches. that is a lot in under 24 hours. it's more than the region typically receives all summer long. let's go to bill karins for more on this horrendous wet weather. bill? >> this 13.5 inches of rain, guys, is not just a daily record or monthly record, we're talking an all-time new york state weather. think how long weather records go back in new york state, back
to the 1800s. no single location has ever recorded 13 inches of rain in 24 hours before. think of all the hurricanes that have hit, the nor'easters and all the big thunderstorms. this was the most rain ever. so islip, new york, the new record holder at 13.57 inches of rain in 24 hours. the old record, by the way, was only set two years ago when hurricane irene went through, about three years ago and that was in tannersville, new york, at 11.5 inches of rain. where else did we get drenched? maryland saw 10 inches. what's amazing about this storm, a little bit of a head scratcher with our weather extremes is that so many locations saw flash flooding. this wasn't a hurricane, this wasn't a tropical storm. this is new pictures coming in from last night all the way up in portland, maine. they picked up 6.5 inches of rain from that same storm. that's as much rain as they would typically get in three months in portland, maine, during the summer. you can see this just adds to the hundreds of vehicles that were swamped up and down the
east coast. other areas, of course two days ago in baltimore, three days ago in detroit, all from the same storm system. thankfully it's gone and we don't have to deal with it ever again but we have to deal with its aftermath for a while there. still some power outages and a lot of water waiting to recede, especially for those areas around long island and islip. >> greatly appreciate it. glad that has passed. we're actually going to have a nice weekend up here, going to feel like fall. so let's go from long island to iraq. >> obviously. >> obviously that's the next step. >> there are strong signals in iraq that the u.s. will not launch a rescue operation for those displaced civilians. a team spent 24 hours on top of mt. sinjar where waves of refugees fled from islamic militants. the pentagon said several thousand refugees are still there but far fewer than reported a week ago. ongoing u.s. air strikes have allowed many to escape. defense secretary chuck hagel says it is far less likely that
an evacuation mission will be needed. meanwhile prime minister nouri al maliki is striking a defiant tone. >> he might as well be talking to a wall. >> i think he thought iran would help him but they have ditched him to. >> the u.s. as undercut him, the military has undercut him, now he's going to the courts? >> he does have these militias and special forces and military who are loyal to him, so could he try and get them out on the streets again? politically, it looks like he's over. >> we'll see. jeffrey, boy, this is -- seems to be a much tougher call. you know, we've been against military intervention in a lot of -- been together since 2008, 2009 on a lot of issues like this. how do we respond, though, to the growing isis threat without trying to get a group of nations together to work with us to stop the spread of isis? >> well, the first thing is we
understand it. >> what is it? >> well, it is very radical, obviously very murderous group but it emerged in the context of our syria policy. our syria policy was to destabilize the syrian government. this opened up space for every kind of horror, including the isis horror. so every time we intervene we have an anti-midas touch from libya, searia, iraq. we destabilized the whole region. >> we destabilized syria and then it falls to pieces, isis grows out of that. are you on hillary's side, are you on the president's side that we should have gone into syria earlier? barack obama says it's fantasy that if we went into syria earlier we could have actually done something to stop the killing of over 100,000 syrians. what do you think? >> we went into syria. it's been hidden from the american people by and large.
we don't know how far in syria we are and have been. there's been lots of secret weapons moving, lots of secret money moving, lots of publicly announced money moving. we're in syria. we have succeeded, in quotation marks, in destabilizing a region and now there are -- >> the same way we were in bosnia, by the way. >> we got in enough to create a complete disaster. >> you've established that. so we all agree. >> yeah. >> let's agree for argument's sake that we created the disaster. >> we're one of the parties and we contributed to it. >> so what do we do after that? what do we do now? what do we do moving forward with isis? >> i think you're correct that a number of governments have a critical stake in isis not being this murderous group that it is. where are they? where's turkey? >> where's germany? >> we have something called the united nations. that's a good place to start. instead of us just taking this
on unilaterally, once again making the incredible kind of mess that we keep making, let's try to find a real solution that actually speaks to the interests of the neighboring countries. >> where are our european allies? they seem to be on a vacation from history. everybody has just assumed that the united states is going to clean up messes across the globe and when we go too far, they turn around and attack us for trying to clean up messes around the globe. why can't we drag the germans, why can't we drag the e.u. and drag other people who have more of a stake in curbing isis than do we? >> i think one of the things we have to remember is that many times the europeans have said stop, you're about to step into a land mine, like in iraq in 2003. they told us absolutely right, don't do that. we said what are you, cowards, pacifists and so forth and we ended up creating a disaster. >> it's 2014 now, jeffrey.
>> well, i'm saying we have a pattern now repeatedly in iraq, in syria, in libya that has destabilized now an entire region. it's incredible to read the interview with president obama where he says, well, yes, we overthrew gadhafi. we didn't think very much about what would come next. are you kidding? how can you say that in 2011 when we saw the experience in 2003. >> so the instability across the middle east is all the united states' doing? >> no, no. it's just that we are so not smart in what we're doing, it's unbelievable. >> did you ever see team america? >> i haven't. >> you should see it. jeffrey, you write about hillary clinton's foreign policy deception and hillary may want to walk away from this mess but she can't. t of course the u.s. is not the only failure in this story, there's failure galore among all participants. yet with all of the urgent issues the world faces, fighting
diseases, climate change, extreme poverty, high unemployment, widespread illiteracy, our political leaders have doubled down on war, including clinton's tough talk. most of us are utterly tired of the mindless call for more war that is leading the world deeper into despair. >> there's no doubt that this country is war weary and nearly bankrupt because of our expenditures in various wars. but with regard to this particular region and this particular group, katty, is it not the case this is the saudi duplicity, egyptian duplicity and even iranian duplicity, they are all our natural allies in this fight against the growing threat of isis. >> and there's been a stunning silence from around the region. from the qataris who were supporting them in syria as militant extremists. you haven't heard much from the iranians and the saudis. the only way that the situation is going to get resolved in iraq
at the moment, the only chance we have of really rolling back isis and making this an organization that is no longer a real national security threat to the united states and to europe is by getting a political regional solution from those countries. >> bravo. this is exactly right. we can't do this. this is not the u.s. job. >> and i think when -- joe, to your point when it was about syria, i do think actually there was much more pressure in europe from politicians -- >> the french and the british. >> and britain too to get involved at that stage, to get involved earlier on in the syrian operation. but iraq is still seen as america's problem. it really is. and you're right, isis constitutes a threat to europe as well. there are fighters there from europe as well, but iraq is seen as america's problem. >> joe, we sat at this table when president obama and hillary clinton said assad must go. i remember saying to you, what? what are they talking about? how are they going to do it?
what's going to happen? >> mubarak must go, assad must go, gadhafi must go. >> we talked about it and said you can't make a statement like this and think things are going to come out roses and here we are. they don't think. >> one of the big issues here that hasn't received the headlines that it ought to receive because of the ongoing conflict with isis on an everyday basis is jordan. if isis manages to control part of jordan or overthrow the jordanian government, which is very tenuous to begin with, think of israel, its next-door neighbor. what's going on in gaza is going to look like a day at the beach. >> and the thing is, yes, we started this in 2003. the reason i said it's 2014. we've got to deal with it now. the europeans have to deal with it. the saudis have to deal with it. qatar would have to deal with it but they're at the root cause of so many problems across the middle east it's stunning what
they get away with and why more people don't trace what they're doing with terrorist groups across the middle east. i'm not sure why they get a free ride on that. but yeah, the saudis, for god sake, why aren't the saudis doing more? >> and you said the crucial word, "political." not military. you said it needs a political settlement. >> jeffrey, you write in the arab spring in 2011 we were got wholly flat-footed. our policy has been completely reactive. why do you think that is? >> because nobody in washington is paying attention to on the ground. we just look at these countries only for what they mean for us in the most reactive way, oil, for example. or, you know, some immediate -- >> thank god we're going to get a lot more oil in america, huh, jeffrey? >> yeah, this is -- it's unbelievable. we've just not paid attention for years. we don't have a feel on the ground. when you're there, i travel in these countries all the time, you see a lot that isn't reflected in washington at all. then when something happens,
boom, war. overthrow them. that's what we do. >> jeffrey sachs, we've missed you. >> happy to be back. >> come back more. >> i will. >> what are they saying about "morning joe" in sub-saharan africa. >> they love it. at the vatican, the pope, everywhere. >> you say wherever you go -- >> it's unbelievable. >> we've heard this obviously from egypt -- >> i can be any place in the world. hey, i saw you last week on "morning joe." i was in ethiopia, i was in row wanda, just hearing it everywhere. >> isn't that crazy? >> i know i'm ironic a lot of times, but here we hear this all the time. world leaders from across the globe actually watch this show. jeffrey came back and he said, you know, i even get it at sub-saharan africa. >> no question. it's crazy. >> do they watch it on their phones? >> everywhere. they tweet it out,in incredible.
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million twitter followers, the way he has completely re-energized the catholic church. we made him our number one world's greatest leader a few months ago because of that reason. but what a lot of people don't know and what's lost in this story is that he is actually an incredibly savvy manager. and what he's done, he has gutted the way the vatican does business, the way it manages and in particular rearranged its finances soup to nuts. >> the cardinals never saw this coming? >> they never did. he replaced old guard cardinals. he brought people in from ernst & young. >> you're kidding. >> no. he knows how to bring in the right leaders under him and motivate them to get the job done. as a result, it's just being completely transformed. >> there had been a level of corruption and secrecy in the vatican bank that was historic. and dealing with that bureaucracy would have to have been mind boggling. >> yes.
in fact before he was named pope, he was a long-time critic of the way the vatican did business. the inside dealings, bids go to friends of the church and no competitive bids, an insular way of doing business, which is not a good way of doing business for many reasons. he's got this elite managerial skill set that i think is something -- people have no idea, for all the other things that he's done that we know about. >> he also knows a lot more about economics than most economists. he understands actually what's wrong with the world economy. we have this incredibly growing inequality gap. what even people in the united states don't understand is the wages that you pay to people who work for you are revenue for everybody else. we are now obsessed with profitability, maxing it out. we've got to start actually paying our folks more. that's one of the messages he's preaching. >> absolutely. and he says that you can't -- he can't meet his bigger need, which is helping the poor around
the world, help get needy is his biggest mission. you can't do that unless your books are in order and that's also something new. >> let's go to the fastest growing companies. >> sure. >> i'm glad henry is here. i'm going to ask henry some questions about this as well but let's talk about the fastest-growing companies. >> this is a list we do every year and we rank them on profit, revenue and stock growth over the past three years. this is who's hot in sort of the recent past. what's interesting this year is a full quarter of the companies are involved in shale oil and natural gas. so a fourth of these companies are either refining, delivering, servicing, selling, discovering, so it's really a metric of what's hot in our country. >> does one company stand out? >> no. there are probably a lot you haven't heard of. number one is actually a pharmaceutical company that's developed an anti-inflammatory drug so that's always an yar where we see a lot of growth. i just heard a funny term this
week, hopium for pharmaceuticals. >> "hunger games" very good for liongate entertainment. >> toll brothers has really risen a lulu lemon is on here. >> apple still? >> apple is still there. >> henry, let me ask you, you look at the bubble in '99, 2000, you look at the housing bubbles. when you look through these lists, how do we sort through the pets.com versus the apples versus the microsofts. >> there are pockets of incredible opportunity. energy, the united states has a huge energy boom which is driving a lot of job growth, it's been very good for reducing dependence on the middle east and so forth and a lot are in there, but it seems to be relatively widespread right now. part of the issue in the 1990s was it was centered on technology and housing, everything was tied directly to
housing. now it seems to be relatively diversified. >> so you mentioned income inequality which is a staggering problem we have to confront in this country, but how do we get through the mindset, you get these big corporations and they announce we laid off 10% of our workforce and their stock goes up. >> you have to ultimately focus people on the longer term, which is that if we keep destroying the american consumer by reducing costs to the absolute minimum we can pay people, you're ultimately destroying the buyers of your products. the reason our economy has been so strong since 1950 is that we had a very well off middle class that could support every company. if we gut it, and we're continuing to do that, there's no revenue for other companies and ultimately the economy just breaks down. if you really want to get somewhere, you can try appealing to fairness. maybe share a little bit more of the wealth that the company
creates with the people who create it. if that doesn't work, appeal to long-term greed which is companies will grow a lot faster if you put more of what you're making back into the economy with wages. >> henry ford famously figured this out over a century ago. >> his employees were customers, so pay them well. exactly. great points. >> leigh, this is great. holy reformer on the cover. thanks for being with us. >> thanks. coming up, what's the next best thing to creating your own internet startup? investing in one just as it gets off the ground. one of the top ceos joins us on the web on "morning joe." plus, you invite someone on the show and how do they repay you? by publicly coercing you to dump a bucket of ice on your head. look, the tarp is coming out, mike. obviously it's going to be wet around here. >> rain delay. >> bobby jindal, thanks so much, buddy. we'll be back with more "morning joe." so ally bank really has no hidden fees on savings accounts?
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us. >> thanks for having me. >> we were talking about a lot of different companies that were growing fast in the last segment, but you obviously, you're the founder of red swan ventures. consumer products and the way they're being sold is changing pretty radically. >> well, that's what's exciting about new york right now is you've got technology enabling the transformation of industries like retail. >> right. >> where not much has changed since the invention of the automobile. with the development of the internet and the smartphone, our belief was you're able to build a brand with the internet at its core. so we took these great-fitting pants and said let's deliver a digital model where we can deliver not only great clothes but great customer service. that was 2007. people said you can't build a brand with the internet as its core. we said not only do we think we can but we're going to offer better product and service as a result and now you see companies, transforming eyewear and harry's transforming razors
so it's not just about us. >> so here's the friction here. obviously a great idea for people that don't have tons of money, have a great idea, they can go out and have the internet as their core. stores, you don't have to hire thousands of people. and so there's a good side to that. but the bad side of it is, again, that you have less people working in retail. how do we strike that balance moving forward? >> well, hopefully they are paying the people who are working for them well and the people who are no longer working in retail can either work for companies like yours or can create new companies. the economy is always transitioned. we used to be a farming economy, then it was a heavy industrial economy. jobs have always been created as long as people are creative. the point is, the goal shouldn't be to pay the people who create the value as little as you possibly can. it should be to share the value with them. >> talk about the boston store. mike was asking about the boston store. talk about that, if you will, because it's fascinating how
your operation works. >> well, one of the things in responding to henry's point tying to the store that we found to be exciting is actually sharing the ownership with the company. so most of the time in retail what you do is you say we're going to hoard all the profits and you've got the employee peons. we flipped the script and said let's make everyone in the company owners. so coming back to our guide shops, we've got ten now. boston, chicago, san francisco, all these places. the managers are equity owners in the company. same for our customer service ninjas, which is our customer service team. most people are talking about running customer service on the other side of the planet, we're running it here in new york city. if you want to offer great service, you have to make the people who are providing that service, in case the ninjas and the guides, you have to make them owners of the company. >> but what happens in the store, to joe's point? >> our stores we think are a revelation. we think this is the future. you come in, you get an amazing customer service experience. a great one-to-one interaction. you come in, you have an
appointment, you try stuff on, you touch and feel the product but the whole thing is guided. so you're getting great-fitting product but awesome style advice as well. at the end of your time with us, we place an e-commerce transaction which fulfills through the mail. so you take all this inventory out of the store and that enables you to focus on just great human interactions in the store. i think apple was the pioneer of this with the genius bar. you were talking about lululemon earlier. they're great at offering a great experience in stores. i think stores are just changing into more experienced and customer service. >> you are hiring people in your stores. this is not just online only. you're actually hiring -- giving people real jobs and some of the -- you have a venture capital firm that you started and is investing in similar companies. one of those companies is task rabbit, which is a great counter argument and making another point what henry said is that a lot of these new companies are giving people new ways to work.
this outsources tasks. i need a dress to be picked up, i can't get out of the office. you hire someone to do it and they bid on it. now they changed the model a little bit. >> so they do your task for you. >> they are students or part-timers and they are finding new ways to -- >> is there an app for this? >> yes. >> did you get reviews on this? >> look it up. >> it's the future. i've got to get out of 1979 and get the 8 track tape away. >> get yourself a cell phone. these are pretty cool, you should get one. >> i'll try one of those things. >> try an app. >> an app? >> yeah, a-p-p. >> what's that? i'm just going to go home and watch my beta max. this is fascinating, aebd. are you wearing our clothes? >> not just our pants anymore. shirts, jackets, we're seeing huge growth in suits and blazers and button down shirts. >> all right.
fantastic. greatly appreciate you coming. andy dunn, thank you so much. you can log on to afternoonmojo.msnbc.com to hear more about andy in our exclusive web interview. henry, great to have you on, greatly appreciate it. coming up next, for the governor of a warm weather state, bobby jindal has a cool, cool sense of humor. we'll explain what i mean next on "morning joe." if energy could come from anything?. or if power could go anywhere?
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als ice bucket challenge. i'm happy to accept in honor of team gleason. i'll also be making a donation. i want to challenge les miles, willie robinson and joe scarborough. you've got 24 hours. >> oh, my goodness. with us now is republican governor bobby jindal of louisiana. governor, my goodness, is it -- i don't know, what is it? is it some past criticisms that we may have had about your esteemed office or being an alabama fan? why are you picking on me, man? why are you picking on me? >> joe, i've never been more popular with your staff and your producers. they were so excited when i did this. you know, look, as an alabama fan, you guys aren't going to be able to do a gatorade shower later this season when we beat you. >> look at this, lsu fan already talking smack, mike barnicle. >> you can take care of him this
fall. >> that's what i'm saying. >> so have you heard back from les miles. you challenged les, is he going to do it? >> i've heard back from willie robertson. i'm thrilled you're going to be such a good sport about this. i want to be very clear, there's a new trend called the naked ice bucket challenge. i'm not challenging you to that, that is not at all -- that's not good tv. so this is just the plain, vanilla, ice bucket challenge. >> mike barnicle wants to actually volunteer for that. that will really help ratings a lot. >> through the roof. >> we're going to talk about why you did this, why you challenged me. the bigger cause in a minute a little bit later on right before the ice is dumped on my head and mika's head as well. first of all, let's talk about a couple of things. let's start with common core. this is an issue that seems like a great idea to a lot of people, including conservatives like jeb bush. it seemed to take a nasty turn. i've actually heard parents from
moderate republican and democratic families walk up to me and express concern about common core. it's not just been right wing nuts, as the mainstream media would want us to believe, but a lot of concerns about common core. what's your -- what's your evolution on this? >> well, look, i originally thought the idea of standards locally was a great idea and i'm still for rigor in the classroom. the reason i'm opposing common core so strongly and fighting to get it out of louisiana is that it has become something very different than what it started. now it's become driven by the federal government, the federal bureaucracy. it was never intended to be a top down approach. the federal government has never made curriculum decisions in our local schools. i think it's a mistake to do that. a lot of times people who are for common core try to say if you're against us, you're against standards. that's not true. i'm for tests, i'm for standards. i don't want the federal government driving these standards. as a parent, i look at the math standards and some of the reading text and i'm very
worried about my kids doing these things. i think it would have been better if they had slowed down, let the teachers, let the parents have more involvement, have more transparency. i think they have rushed to do this. so i think the idea of standards is good, i just don't like the idea of a one size fits all approach from the federal government. >> speaking of high standards, the bbc's katty kay is here. >> governor, you were up in des moines, iowa, there, and "the register" there said you got a warm welcome. so how is 2016 looking for you? >> look, i'm thinking and praying about it. won't make a decision until after november. we've got to win some important races this november. if i were to decide to run, i certainly think that our country is hungry for a big change in direction. not incremental change, especially when it comes to restoring the american dream for our children and grandchildren. there's a lot of frustration with both democrats and republicans in both parties that all they want to do is make incremental changes. even in d.c. you hear from republicans you can't repeal
obamacare, you can't pal the budget, you can't grow the economy. we need stronger foreign policy. but there will be time after november to make those decisi s decisions. right now let's win the senate and these governors races. >> governor, back to the common core, where does louisiana rank in terms of education and math in national standards? >> well, historically louisiana has not done well but recently we've implemented very aggressive reform so in new orleans, 90% of our kids are now in charter schools. we have doubled the percentage doing reading and math on grade level in five years. we have got the highest ever graduation rate in our high schools. at one point in new orleans before these reforms, 60% of our kids were in failing schools. now it's less than 6%. you look across the state, record growth in the number of kids taking a.p. exams, more kits doing well on the a.c.t., so we have seen rapid improvement and rapid progress. we've still got work to do. i'm not saying we're where we want to be but we're doing better than we have before because we've done charter
schools, merit evaluations of our teachers. we do school choice. i'm all for reforms and i'm all for accountability. i think it's important. louisiana's kids learn the best math and we can compare them to kids in other countries and other states. my problem with common core is, again, the federal department of education, arne duncan through race to the top, no child left behind, has made this into a federal takeover of our local curriculum. that's what's not acceptable. >> governor, this is thomas roberts. just two quick things. first of all, thank you for accepting the als challenge that you took and thank you for challenging joe. did your other two nominees accept and have they done it? >> willie has accepted. he's going to do it later today. we've not heard from les miles. i think we can raise a lot of money for als by auctioning off the rights to dump joe. think about all the money you could raise offering people the chance to bid on that. >> bobby, you stick around.
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>> do you support that? >> that would be niagara falls, are you kidding me? >> we should go into the ice-making business. >> okay. are we ready to do this? okay, give me this. let me take glasses. here we go. on the count of three, are you ready? 1, 2, 3. get 'em, get 'em, get 'em, get 'em! attack! attack! get 'em jack. get 'em. get 'em good. >> oh, my goodness. it's absolute mayhem! and the crowd goes wild! oh, my goodness gracious. that was a good job, jack. kate, good job. graham, good job, amelia, good job. louis, good job with the trash can filled with ice.
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welcome back to "morning joe." it's time to talk about what i learned today. i learned i have a lot of enemies around here. miss katherine got wet, as did little jack. amelia, you enjoyed that far too much. >> congratulations on going to college. i did this just for you. thank you, graham. >> graham, thank you so much. >> you're welcome. >> fantastic. so what did you learn? >> you're nervous. my daughter is going off to college next week. >> we leave tomorrow. >> lifting two ice buckets at the same time is heavier than i thought. >> that was really cruel. i learned that thomas' shoes are made out of plastic. those things are water resistant. >> i think they're really duck boots. this is fantastic. i love that.
thank you for pushing me in here. >> thomas, you started all of this. thank you so much, a good cause. >> that was a violent attack, by the way. i think you two suffered a violent attack. >> that's how we roll. >> but again, all for a good cause. and, you know, i had a guy -- a mentor in pensacola, a great man who passed away from this terrible, terrible disease. we want to thank everybody. we're going to be making a $10,000 donation on "morning joe." >> let's get applause for that. that's fantastic. >> we thank bobby jindal for dragging us into it. we hope you get dragged into it and take the challenge yourself. we have to cure this disease. it's been with us far too long. >> give her a big hug, she's cold. >> if it's way too cold, it's "morning joe." of course my hands are cold, sweetie. you dumped 12 buckets of ice on me. what's wrong with you too? all right.
oh, look at that. it just kept coming. look at louis. oh, my lord. >> now "the daily rundown" with luke russert. chaos in missouri. another night of protests is met with tear gas and flash grenades. this morning we'll talk to the man representing michael brown's family, attorney benjamin crump. meantime in iraq, the answer to the question of whether more u.s. troops will be needed to save iraqi refugees gets a little clearer. we'll have the latest from erbil. and back here at home, president obama and hillary clinton cross paths at a party. is the space between them getting wider as 2016 gets closer? good morning from washington, it is thursday, august 14th, 2014. this is "the daily rundown." i'm luke russert in for the great chuck todd. we'll start with morning with stunning developments in ferguson, missouri, where police in riot gear used tear gas again
you know what? i have been known to wear a tan suit myself. don't forget, a "politics nation" baseball cap is always in style. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. "hardball" starts right now. a dove named paul? a hawk named hillary? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start with the president's decision today to hold off on air strikes in syria. >> i don't want to put the cart before the horse. we don't have a strategy yet. i think what i have seen in some of the yous reports suggests folks are getting further ahead
of where we're at than we currently are. that's not just my assessment but the assessment of the military as well. we need clear plans that we are developing them. i will consult with congress. and make sure their voices are heard. there is no point asking until we know what it will take to get the job done. >> that was a surprise. the big debate is do we go the direction of george bush again back to pursuing grand goals of ideology? the freedom agenda or do we stick to the dovish stance of president obama trying hard the to wind down the military intervention in the islamic world? here come it is big irony. could the voters be asked to choose from are a dovish republican in rand paul versus a relatively hawkish hillary
clinton? listening to what they are saying it's hard to see anything else. in a wall street journal op-ed today senator paul had strong words for people who pushed for stronger action in syria. he wrote, "shooting first and asking questions later has never been a good foreign policy. the past year has been a perfect example. our middle east policies unhinged flailing about to see who to act against next with little thought to the consequences. this is not a foreign policy." he pointed out if the hawks got their way and we brought down the government of al assad, it would have been strengthened. the administration's goal has been to degrade assad's power, forcing him to negotiate with the rebels, but degrading assad's military capacity also degrades his ability to fend off isis. joining us are howard fineman and ron reagan. we were talking before the show. very much like the way he's been. dovish. stay out of this stuff.
>> it's as though he read rand paul's op-ed piece. my head is spinning. you have rand paul writing an op-ed piece that could have been written a generation ago by george mcgovern, and the national committee came out with a statement attacking rand paul from the right. basically from the hawkish perspective that sounded like something that could have been produced by dick cheney or john mccain or rudy giuliani a few years ago. this is who he is. he'll go so far as to say, hey, i don't have a plan. i have no strategy as a way the to buy time, rather than shoot first and ask questions later. >> ron reagan, i have been looking at this for weeks nowment i saw it coming. rand paul is an isolationist, a dove. in many ways he conforms to what i think, probably for different reasons. i think the united states has gone way overboard in involvement in the world.
too many fights, too many enemies looking for trouble. an itchy trigger finger. hillary clinton seems to want to be at least two notches to the right if not one notch to the right of the president. much tougher on russia, ukraine, the middle east, china, everywhere. she's much more ornery and wanting to fight. what's your thinking? what's going on with american foreign policy in the debate? >> the rand paul brand looks better on a bumper sticker than when you flesh it out. howard fineman is a fine editor. if rand paul were one of his columnists and turned this in as a think piece howard would send it back in no uncertain terms saying you need to put thought into it. what was he saying exactly? that we should learn from mistakes in the middle east especially and not repeat them. well, thank you very much, senator paul. next column maybe you can do something on the importance of washing your hands after using the restroom.
what did this piece say? nothing. it said let's not be stupid in foreign policy. there is no prescription there from paul. the political point that up is down and black is white with hillary. >> what i remember about eisenhower is he didn't take us to vietnam. that was a good thing he didn't do. when it comes to foreign policy i believe some of the best stuff you do is what you don't do. lyndon johnson did a lot in foreign policy, right? >> yeah. >> a lot of foreign policy. >> as howard said rand paul's essay is like barack obama's don't do stupid stuff. they are a mirror immanual of one another. >> hillary clinton says not doing stupid stuff isn't enough. you have to do other things. what are those? that's what we'll see in the depate if she runs. >> if i had been editing rand
paul's piece and i'll ask him to submit the next one to me, ron. >> you should. >> first of all, he should have said what he would do. ron's right. he didn't say, okay, you're cautious, you're smart. >> leave syria alonement stay out of it. >> that's true. >> what's wrong with saying we don't have to mess in everybody's rhubarb. why are we building syria, iraq, egypt, the emirates? >> we are largely leaving syria alone. we have not gone into syria. you want to ask rand paul, what happens when isis beheads other americans? what if they attack oil fields vital to the national interest, an ally we have a defense treaty with. what then? well, hands off? it's more complicated than rand paul's imagining would have it. >> here comes senator paul again. he called out hillary clinton by name for her hawkish views on
syria. wrote, to interventionists like former secretary of state hillary clinton we would caution that arming the islamic rebels in syria created a haven for the islamic state. we are lucky mrs. clinton didn't get her way and the obama administration didn't bring about regime change in syria. that new regime might have been isis. on "meet the press" sunday the senator called hillary clinton a war hawk. listen. >> in a general election, were i to run there will be independent and democrats who say, we are tired of war. we are worried hillary clinton will get us involved in a middle eastern war. if you want to see a transformational election in the country let the democrats put forward a war hawk like hillary clinton and see a transformation like you have never seen. amazing stuff that this campaign has begun in 2014. two years from thousand. >> to look at history, a generation ago all the fights
about intervention, isolation and so on were within the democratic party starting with johnson and kennedy, through mcgovern and so forth. now it looks like, if rand paul is to be taken seriously, that the fight will be within the republican party. i would have said, who are the unnamed republicans you are also putting in hillary clinton's camp? if you're going to get to hillary clinton -- >> you're doing one of these. come at me. where is that from? pittsburgh? >> you want to go directly to hillary clinton and set up the general election. who are the republicans you will take on here? >> it's great. isn't it good? >> yes. >> isn't it good we are debating instead of just doing it? we never had a debate about going into iraq, as i recall. a few of us opposed the war. john kerry, biden. who didn't support the war? hill ry. >> hillary. >> i don't want to get caught on the wrong side of this baby. i don't want to look weak. i have to look at strong as
republicans. that kind of chicken is where the democratic party didn't show its finest colors when they said we don't want to be caught off base. i think you are right, howard. the great debate might be in the debates which -- by the way, the media won't be involved in the debates next year. we're not involved. >> i think if paul starts the serious argument within the republican party it could spread to the democrats as well. hillary clinton better watch out. >> who's going to carry the banner -- >> i don't know. >> -- for the dovish side. >> i don't know. >> who would be the dove against hillary if she runs? she sounds like it. a couple notches from the president. one would be appropriate. if she's two notches from russia, china, the middle east, somebody will commit against her on the left, i think. do you agree? >> boy, i don't know. i can't see anybody actually challenging her now are from either side from the democratic
party. interestingly enough for rand paul he's got the opposite problem -- hand paul has decided to go into the republican primary running to the left of hillary clinton. that's a novel strategy for a republican. i have to say. >> i love it. >> some of the primaries and caucuses you can register on the day, go in and participate where the action is. i think that's one thing rand paul is looking at is a strategy. independents and dems to vote for him. if he's the only anti-war, let's be careful, let's get involved, get in other people's rhubarb to use your are phrase. >> that's from batman. i grew up with people like mark hatfield, john sherman cooper.
these were the people opposed to the vietnam war, republicans out front. it's not the craziest thing for a republican to be dove issue. great to see you. coming up, karl rove's group crossroads gps commissioned a record looking at the republican party standing with women. the blunt finding of the group, female voters think the republican party is intolerant, lacking in compassion, stuck in the past. that's the republican view of their own party. also, what do you think when you mix a private donor's conference sponsored by the koch brothers, an unguarded politician and an audio recording. the latest behind closed doors look at what they really think. this time it's mitch mcconnell explaining what the republican agenda will be if he gets to be majority leader. yesterday, we saw the tragic consequence of what happens when a 9-year-old girl is allowed to shoot an automatic weapon, an uzi.
for some gun people -- i can call them gun nuts, like the nra people, it's the tip of the iceberg. they want virtually no restrictions on guns. wait until you see laws pushed across the country. they are on a slippery slope on the far right. finally, people who speak with a forked tongue like mitch mcconnell and mitt romney. this is "hardball," the place for politics.
we're less than 70 days from midterm elections now. the senate race in iowa can't get any closer. let's check the "hardball" scoreboard. the latest poll has democratic congressman bruce braley and republican jo any ernst even at 40%. we have new numbers for the governor's race in the hawkeye state. terry branstad is up by 12 over jack hatch. that's 47-35. things are happening in iowa. we'll be right back.
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welcome back to "hardball." when president obama won 55% of the women's vote to romney's 44% republicans could no longer deny they had a problem. it was acknowledged in the 2013 rnc autopsy report. now a new report commissioned by two major republican organizations including one founded by karl rove. it has bleak news for the grand old party among women. it concludes female voters view the party as intolerant, lacking in compassion, stuck in the past. if hillary clinton is their democratic nominee for president in 2016 the republican party's un popularity with women voters could grow exponentially. joining us is kelly ann conway, a great pollster with the republicans generally and michelle bernard, president of the bernard center for women, politics and public policy who i can never figure out
politically. kelly, you know karl rove and we all know him in different ways. what do you make of the republicans doing their own polling and coming out with words that suggest a real problem? >> i thought this polling was the opposite of breaking news. it's what we saw when developing the contract with america. it shows the caricature of the republicans takes hold. i can tell you what the party is doing. the party is doing its own polling. i have been involved in focus groups and we find there are certainly some of the stereotypes that persist. there are a number of policies that when explained matter. if you have a happy optimistic message that connects with people, remember the famous washington post poll after the 2012 election? mitt romney beat barack obama and who has a vision, he lost 81-18 on which one cares about people like you. even a majority of republicans
agreed. there is no question you have to -- >> here's the question. why are women more susceptible to buying the caricature. are men buying the caricature of what the party is? >> sometimes. >> does it work both ways? >> sometimes that's true, chris. the genderer gap works both ways. president obama, president clinton, it is difficult for democratic candidates to win men much the way it is difficult for republican candidates to win women. in the case of clinton, she may be the democrats mitt romney in 2016. what evidence is it that she connects with all women? i don't know how good a candidate she'll be. it's one answer we have to wait for. how good a candidate will hillary clinton be? she has the name i.d., credentials f. she's great she walks away.
if she's okay, it's close. >> it's a terrible summer of unforced errors for her in the book tour. terrible. >> okay. that was a late hit. to this one. >> 15 yards. >> 49-39 among women. my question is do you know why it's important? here's the answer before kellyanne gets back. there are more women than men so the gender gap on the women's side is lethal. >> not only that there are more women than men but women go out and vote. women go to the poll and vote on the issues that matter. what i like and find interesting. i know what people think about karl rove. i'm a fan. we have talked about it before. i think he's a brilliant strategist. i watched him work. i personally witnessed him go out with george bush and work hard for the african-american
vote. regardless of people say the increase bush got was negligible a 3% increase in the african-american vote is a big deal. i like the poll -- >> did you vote for bush? >> i think he got he once, not twice. >> first or second? >> when everyone was worried about the -- >> vote for the first or second time. >> i don't remember. >> would you vote for him again? >> when i was worried about terrorism, i saw the massacre in russia. i saw those children could have been mine. george bush was my man. the hanl out of the poll is that the republican party keep s doing autopsies on lots of things. how do we get white women to vote for us. how does the republican party get anyone that's not a white man to vote for them. >> in 2014 we have a poll that
shows among women voters, republicans favored to run the congress, 37% want the congress in republican hands and 51% of women, a real majority want the democrats. explain that. is that caricature. >> not at all. they are probably going to vote for their incumbents. particularly in the house if they are republicans chances are that individual's connection with that woman and his or her performance on the job will trump party i.d. on the senate side it's fascinating. 2014 is incredible. you have female republics -- ded republicans --. i bet you that mary landrieu, kay hagan and michelle nunn, three female democrats in the south are not going to run on the war on women, anti-woman republican meme. how can they do that? georgia, louisiana and north
carolina. >> they're not talking -- not that it's the only issue. they don't talk about abortion rights down south. right? >> right. >> let me ask you this profound thing. you are fighting a number. 51-37. that's a huge change. it seems women -- i look at people like joanie ernst. i bet she'll do better among men. that's odd. people vote ideology not gender. >> correct. >> you have an african-american senator from south carolina who's a republican. >> yes. >> people -- you have our friend michael steele running in maryland. >> in our state, yes. >> he got blown away by the african-americans. they killed him because he's a republican. >> one of the things we have to look at and kellyanne is my favorite pollster, we have used her. we have to look at the browning of the country. if you look at how voters, the
democrats of the republican woman who votes republican. most are married. most are white. most live in upper middle class families. the country is browning. you are seeing fewer white women just like you are anywhere else. >> and not getting married. >> they are not getting married. economic issues, the democratic party looks friendlier. >> i agree. people that go to church a lot, married tend to be republican. those who aren't married, don't go to church a lot tend to be democratic. kellyanne, please come back. we have so much to talk about. great conversation. i almost got a word in there. up next, a word to the wise for rick perry. if you have been indicted on criminal charges you should probably know what the charges arement another oops from the man from texas. this is "hardball," the place for politics. one day, machines will be sprayed to be made. and making something stronger... will mean making it lighter.
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back to "hardball." time for the sideshow. president obama can't be happy, nor are most people, that burger king is moving to canada to avoid taxes. but the deal has the financial backing of his political ally warren buffett who previously backed the doctrine of tax fairness. david letterman weighed in on the controversy. take a look. >> burger king is moving to canada. they think it is a tax dodge. the if they move to canada and they bought up the donut place tim hortons, now the government isn't happy about it. president obama isn't happy. look at what happened when he heard that burger king was moving to canada. watch this. >> financed by billionaire warren buffett, burger king will purchase canadian donut chain tim hortons in order to avoid paying american taxes. upon hearing about the deal president obama immediately took back warren buffett's medal of
freedom. [ applause ] more news after this. >> next up, speculation this week that the u.s. led fight against isis in iraq could expand into syria led many to point out a move could put us on the same side as bashar al assad blurring the lines of which side we are on. here is jon stewart reacting to that. >> could you see as crazy as it might sound some sort of covert cooperation between the u.s. and the syrian regime of al assad in damascus? >> you know, it is [ bleep ] like this that makes you almost regret us destabilizing the region in the first place. >> i get it now. >> now we find ourselves trapped between iraq -- and assad place. are [ cheers and applause ]
>> finally, if there is one thing we learned about former presidential candidate rick perry during the 2012 campaign it was that he doesn't have the best memory. who can forget the oops heard around the world. >> the third agency of government, i would do away with education, the -- um -- >> commerce. >> commerce. and let's see. >> oh, my. >> i can't. the third one i can't. i'm sorry. oops. >> that was a small oops. anyway, it seems the recently indicted governor of texas has forgotten which criminal charges have been filed against him. according to abc news he told a group of business leaders in new hampshire over the weekend that, quote, i have been indict bid the same body now for, i think, two counts. one on bribery, which i'm not a lawyer so i don't really understand the details here. well, in fact, the charges do not include bribery at all.
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hi. i'm frances rivera. president obama says russian's ongoing incursion into ukraine will bring more costs and consequences for moscow. russia has stepped up military intervention inside ukraine. u.s. air forces targeted a tank, a humvee and other vehicles near the mosul dam.
police say there is a strong possibility the body found is that of a 23-year-old american student from new jersey. he disappeared friday while hiking with a friend. comedian joan rivers is in a hospital after suffering complications of throat surgery. according to e news she's in stable but critical condition. thrill-seeking surfers have been hitting the waves but tropical storm marie has caused flooding and damage on the california coast. life guards rescued dozens from the water. then we take you back to "hardball." welcome back to "hardball." kentucky republican mitch mcconnell was are recently recorded bragging at a koch brothers retreat in california about what he'll do to destroy president obama's legislative
accomplishment if he become it is the senate majority leader. mcconnell is currently in the political fight of his life in kentucky. he promises to use the budget process to defund things like the affordable care act itself. nbc news is not independently verified the voice on the audio but the recording was taken from the left-leaning youtube source called the undercurrent. let's listen. >> we're going to go after them on health care, on financial services, on the virlt tall protection agency across the board. all across the federal government, we're going to go after it and we are not going to be debating all these gosh darn proposals. that's all we do in the senate is vote on things like raising the minimum wage -- cost the country 500,000 new jobs. extending unemployment. that's the great message for retirees. the student loan package the
other day. that's just going to make things worse. these people believe in all the wrong things. >> when the audio is that bad you know it's worth listening to. somebody snuck in the recorder. politicians get into trouble when they think they are addressing a small group of similar-minded people. remember mitt romney and the 47%? here it is again. same problem. >> 47% of the people who vote for the president, agree with him. 47% are dpen dend upon government who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe they are entitled to health care, food, housing, you name it. it's entitlement. that the government should give it to them. they will vote for this president no matter what. >> the negative messages the candidates are sending behind closed doors that get caught never play well when they are made public. jonathan ways man is is with the new york times and perry bacon
is a political news reporter. the rule was don't say anything in politics unless you are ready to see it on the front page of the newspaper. >> right. that's a caution a lot of them can't abide by when they get in front of fat cats they are trying to kiss. >> exactly. >> it usually requires an exclusive cute deal that i will do something for you that will offend other people. let me whisper it when nobody is listening. your thoughts. this is a bipartisan problem. >> these are the donors backing you up. backing up the party. you feel you need to give them something. the mcconnell campaign said this is something he says all the time. this is not his stump speech. this is what he was telling a group of donors that's not just bank rolling mitch mcconnell but all the candidates that would
make him the senate majority leader next year. >> this was the koch brothers? >> right. not just americans for prosperity. this was a koch brothers conclave for the whole afp, just universe of koch brothers people that wanted their money's worth. >> the audio always sucks because it means somebody snuck a cell phone in or a bartender. let's look at the bartender. we showed that one already. this is one from catching the democrats. this is the president of the united states in 2008 talking to a bunch of liberals in san francisco telling them we don't have to worry about lower level people who need guns and bibles. >> people have been beaten down so long that they feel so betrayed by government.
let's pardon them that they get bitter and cling to guns, religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them. as a way to explain their frustrations. >> the president lost the pennsylvania primary by nine points. in 1984 colorado senator gary hart was in a tight nomination fight with former vice president walter mondale over california and new jersey when he stepped into it, too, in front of a private audience in california. he described what it was like campaigning apart from his wife. the deal is we campaign separately. the good news is she campaigns in california and i campaign in new jersey. i got to hold a koala bear. mrs. hart said i won't tell you what i got to hold -- samples from a toxic waste dump. hart lost new jersey by over 15 points. they don't like to be called the
solid waste types. it must have worked with the community in california. >> you never want to say something you would not say in public. obama would never talk about religious people like that in public. romney would never say that. i think mcconnell got away here because he said he'll block things obama is doing. that's not news. >> it was a total destruction. >> he said something similar to politico, laying out the idea for attaching anti-obama stuff to spending bills. he talked about it already in some ways. i wasn't shocked. >> let me go back. do you know what i think the news is? when talking to the koch brothers they are not interested in a mix of progressive here, but mostly conservative here. they want an end to government because they are in the oil and gas business. all they want is no more taxes and certainly no more environmental regulation. they want no more government.
that's what the koch brothers want. >> i think -- go ahead. >> i think what's most significa significant, believe me is the optics of it. what you will do is see these audiotapes super imposed over a picture of mitch mcconnell looking mean. you will see them in october in the run-up. >> it feels like he didn't say anything particularly outlandish. it's not going to look good on an advertisement. >> how would you find a picture of mitch mcconnell looking mean? >> i have no idea. >> you're playing down your own scoop. good work here. perry, thank you. a programming note.
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we're back with a gun range story. it confirmed the death was caused by a single shot to the head. the instructor at the bullets and burgers gun range was shot when the girl lost control of an uzi. it ignited new debate over gun safety. the fact that the recall is too strong for a child of that age seems a matter of common sense. it was reminiscent of a 2008 incident in which an 8-year-old boy in massachusetts fired the very same weapon with disastrous results. the gun tilted up, killing him in the process. unfortunately these tragedies are part of a bigger problem in the country which has seen an erosion of gun restrictions over the past 30 years. unsurprisingly the national rifle association has been con speck lousily silent since that event. for years the nra raised money on the notion that any restrictions on guns will lead
to their confiscation which they call a slip vi slope. but there is a slippery slope on the other side toward complete unrestricted access to firearms. guns are ubiquitous thanks to advocacy of the nra. joining me is jim cavanaugh, retired atf special agent in charge and chief johnson of the national law enforcement partnership to prevent gun violence and police chief of baltimore county, maryland. thank you. i want to speak to mr. cavanaugh first. what is it about the nra's current position that seems to the allow them or force them to say nothing this these days since the tragedy where the young 9-year-old girl was shooting an automatic weapon. >> chris, i would say that lobby groups like the nra don't feel they have to say anything. today tuck in, get advice from the public affairs specialist to just stay out of the fray.
you know they are very adept at maneuvering the trenches on the hill up there as you are know. they will probably stay out of the fray. if they say anything they something. i think they'll let it play out for the operators and ranges around the country. you know, there's associations for them. and they're going to be more the outfront speakers on the issue. >> does silence mean consent? >> well -- >> it often does in law. >> well, i think it does as far as they don't want to go any way against guns at all, no matter what. and that's what you described in your opening there. it's sort of a fanaticism and doesn't go to any moderation in anything. you know, it has to be one way or the highway and that's the way the lobby groups see it. they see it as just an idealism fanaticism with no compromise at all. >> what do you make of the no comment, mr. johnson, not even the words, no comment, nothing, just nothing. i mean, this involves guns. you know, uzi, a pretty
dangerous weapon, is an automatic weapon. it's light. it's a submachine gun basically. and everybody with it can do a lot of damage. we saw what happened here. a lot of damage, unintended. totally unintended. it was the gun that killed people here. not just the person. >> certainly it's irresponsible on the part of organizations like nra not to speak out. it's, frankly, irresponsible to put an uzi of that capability in the hands of a 9-year-old. for groups like the nra who have been founded upon, you know, gun safety and range and the sport, itself, you know, putting a ruger .22 in the hands, for example, of someone to train them is totally different than putting a gun of that capability in a 9-year-old's hands. totally irresponsible. >> let me ask you, mr. cavanaugh, what would be a restriction that would make sense here? i know everything they see sounds like confiscation to them, the slippery slope. here we are at the other end has become a slippery slope.
anything goes. from what you said, it sounds like they don't want to hear that you can have an age requirement, say 18, something reasonable about being able to handle an automatic weapon. that would be pretty liberal. they don't even want to see that at these gun ranges. >> right. i don't think you're going to see any lobby groups get in the press for any change here. they're going to stay out of the fray. it would generally be up to the sta states, chris, if there were any laws that talked about ages a gun ranges, and likely states that would pass the law don't need the law. and the states that need the law won't pass the law. and it's unlikely that we're going to have any change on the hill, and probably federal law wouldn't be the right place to address ages on guns anyway. so i'd say we're not going to have any legislative change, although it would probably be good if little children were, couldn't do that, but the children need protection immediately. that's where common sense comes in. that's where range operators have to say we're not going to do this anymore. we've had two deaths, they shouldn't be shooting these kinds of guns.
they're submachine guns for the military, for the police, for trained people that collect them, certainly we understand that. in the citizens hands that have a permit for it. but not for children. it's not disneyland. you don't need to go out there shooting those kinds of weapons. >> chief johnson, seems to me even a fire hose had a kick to it. you need a couple serious firefighters to know how to handle one. an automatic weapon like this, what kind of kick does it have? what kind of sense would anybody have -- i don't want to speak over the dead. this guy's dead. the idea of putting something like that in the hands of a skinny little girl. a 9-year-old girl. doesn't make any sense at all to anybody, right wing, left wing, down the middle. i don't get it. >> well, certainly common sense should have been applied here, and the muscular development of a child of that age certainly is not to the point to handle that weapon. look, as a nation, we implement all sorts of different rules, policies, and laws in some cases to safeguard children and others. have to be a certain height to ride an amusement ride park.
require bike helmets. but yet we won't tackle an issue like this. certainly here i think common sense should have prevailed. you know, we pass common sense laws in this nation. we're seeking common sense gun laws like a national background check. but in this case, you know, i don't care what type of rule, policies you may have put in place, or the way the range instructor hovered over the child. there's very little you can do with, you have a kid with that kind of weapon in their hands. that thing's going everywhere. >> here's a crazy law in vermont, which i thought was a pretty liberal state. apparently you can get a gun at 16, you can buy a handgun or a shotgun at 16 but have to be 17 to see an "r" rated movie. interesting how we make these judgments. thank you, jim cavanaugh, thank you jim johnson for joining us. another tragedy. and we'll be right back after this. e freedom of the open road? a card that gave you that "i'm 16 and just got my first car" feeling. presenting the buypower card from capital one.
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let me finish tonight with people who speak with forked tongue. you know, the old tv shows, the american indian would accuse the white man of speaking with a forked tongue. well, apparently according to webster's dictionary, it really is a genuine american-indian term. means being deceitful. means lying. it always struck me it meant saying one thing while intending another, like all the promises made to the indian tribes while the real loyalty was to those who wanted the indians' land. well, this is what politicians do. not too many years ago they could'sly get away with it.
there was one in louisiana who would go into a catholic area and suggest he was raised catholic, then into a baptist area to imply the same thing about that religion. can't do that anymore. why? someone in the room is going to have a cell phone or some other piece of electronics and get you on the record and send it out even if, especially if, that's the last thing you want done. how do we know that barack obama talked to the liberals of san francisco about the people who, quote, cling to their guns or religion? because someone had a cell phone and put it out. and we know what he said. how do we know that mitt romney was talking down to the 47% he said lived off the rest of the country? because a bartender record it. don't you love this stuff, when a politician gets caught pandering to one group while putting down the other to have the other group learn what he was saying behind closed doors. it shouldn't surprise us, none of this. why do you think the press out of political fund-raisers? they don't want us or the public to hear what it is they're throwing out when they're throwing out the raw meat.