already in a sense publicly turning on each other. that s only going to speed up and grow as this case goes on and on. don t forget, jenna ellis has only raised $3,000 on the internet. i mean, that is just a mere pittance. it s not even going to how much does that even pay for a legal fee in a rico case? almost nothing. maybe for the meals that the lawyer s going to have to incur when he s going to and from court. i mean, that is just a joke. she needs hundreds of thousands of dollars, not $2,000. nick achorman, temidayo aganga-williams, thank you for being here. thank you. the stage is set for tomorrow s first presidential republican debate. trump is not going to be there, as we know, but neither will my next guest, will hurd, who is now lashing ing out at the republican national committee over what he says is an unacceptable process for who gets on that stage. plus someone who will be on that stage who was adamant last night here on the source, vivek ramaswamy saying
the emergency declaration, which would be enough to overturn it along with democratic votes, though not yet enough for a vetoproof majority. it is widely expected that the president will veto that resolution. let s bring in my panel, kimberly atkins, senior washington correspondent for npr and an msnbc contributor. kevin serilli, bloomberg news chief washington correspondent. and nick achorman here in studio, former assistant special watergate prosecutor and msnbc legal analyst. kimberly, let me begin with you. let s talk about this setback. how big of, how significant of a setback is this for the president knowing that he will have to now use his veto for the first time in his presidency at the hands of his own party? i mean, with the minor caveat that we have seen senator rand paul announce that he opposes something and have him change his mind later, assuming he does pass this vote against this bill it is a setback but it will force the president to veto this legislation that reve
media indictment where the russians used social media to suppress microtarget voters and suppress the hillary clinton vote and the break-in to the democratic national committee. i think there s not going to be a major mueller report as such. it s really going to be one indictment at a time. and this is exactly what happened during the watergate era. everybody was divided. public opinion was divided. but once major indictments came down indicting the president s attorney general, his two top aides, and a whole series of other top aides in the administration, the whole atmosphere changed. and these polls right now i think are meaningless in light of what we might see with major indictments coming down. interesting to hear that. nick, thank you very much. kimberly, appreciate your thoughts as well. kevin, thank you. coming up week, going to have democratic presidential candidates. as we said earlier at the top of the show, they re in selma, alabama today to commemorate the
russia investigation and it s really ultimately going to come down to the mueller investigation once it does conclude, does wrap up for folks to be able to look at this. i would just lastly quickly make one point, which is that president trump addressing cpac last night, that was classic campaign-style donald it up. i went to countless political candidate rallies for then candidate donald trump during the first presidential cycle and i can tell you it was a marathon last night. he took an ax, a political ax, so to speak, and bulldozed his way through it. that from my point of view was the official start of the president s 2020 re-election. truthfully. interesting point. speaking of that, nick, i want to get your thoughts on something that the house chair of the judiciary committee jerry nadler had to say. watch this. fellow democrats already say the evidence the president has obstructed justice in the russia investigation is an abuse of power that justice impeachment. so can there
offenses like that that are not crimes? oh, sure. crimes and impeachable offenses are two different things. we have to lay out for the american people, and we can t depend on the mueller investigation for this. the mueller investigation, number one, we don t know when it s ending despite lots of rumors. number two, it s focused on specific crimes. and we have to focus much more broadly. on abuses of power. nick, what s your take on? what are some examples of abuses of power that may not necessarily be crimes but at the same time can be impeachable offenses? there are lots of things it can be. could be the stuff with the payoffs to the women in the southern district of new york. but i think the bottom line is if there is going to be an impeachment proceeding it s going to come not because of a mueller report but because of an indictment bringing together everything that s known about the russian investigation, indicting high people in the administration with respect to the two ind