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state of the country for a lot of reasons, but fernand i'm curious to kind pick up on that what you see with the people you're talking to, and when governor kasich talks about people kind of hardening, right, that this hatred sort of festering and growing, is that your sense when you do these polls? is that what's motivating people? are people driven just by those emotions and sort of this us against them mentality? or is that simplifying it too much? >> i mean, with all due respect, ana, to governor kasich, that's not what i'm seeing in the polls. what i'm seeing in the polls is there's a hardening feeling about donald trump. he's now one of the most unpopular politicians to run for president in the history of the united states. i think what americans want is a return to normalcy and a return to sanity. the path donald trump does not represent. these charges that are being brought against him are not a political -- a lot of it was
appropriate run one -- but beyond, that the proceedings. so, i think it's the normalcy of seeing the process actually working that is actually what is surprising. >> that's the unusual thing. here >> gwen keyes fleming, i've got to ask the judge who basically said, your case has no merit, mr. meadows, we are not going to delay your arrest until the same judge rules on his petition to have this thrown into federal court on monday. that -- do you think that this means that the idea that this case, the state case, goes to federal court, is a nonstarter? i mean, it is the same judge that is making the decision today that is going to be making the decision on monday. >> so, you are right. it is the same judge. and that is a factor of what i understand to be the federal rules related -- about related cases. but these are two different issues. judge jones ruled today, saying that basically, the state case would move forward, including the aspects of arrests of turning oneself in. so, this was a procedural
surprise. we are so used to seeing delay tactics work in various institutions that should be about accountability. and when we see the process working the way that it should, everyone is presumed innocent and everyone gets their trial, their day in court, their arguments, but it has to proceed. and the judges and the prosecutors and all the various cases are saying, no, no. there is no special treatment here. we are going ahead with this, the way we would for just about any other defendant. if anything, the allowing people to surrender and giving them the time to surrender was an accommodation, a n appropriate one, but beyond, we are proceedings. so, i think it's the normalcy of seeing the process actually working that is actually what is surprising. >> that's the unusual thing. here >> gwen keyes fleming, i've got to ask the judge who basically said, your case has no merit, mr. meadows, we are not going to delay your arrest
of lecture about law and order or respect of law ever again, because we are literally watching a cult of personality that ends up dominating that is not having any impact on the people in west minister or west baltimore. so i -- when i think about what that prospect means, about having a return to normalcy, and a normalizing of this type of behavior, it just reinforces why i am not just excited to have another four years of a partner in the white house like the biden administration but why frankly as a governor and chief executive of our state we need it. >> thank you for coming in. appreciate it. john? >> sometimesususpious. two months after he led a revolt against the russian military, leader yevgeny prigozhin is believed to be dead
it's just politics as usual. if we do, we become complicit. not just in our silence, but our refusal to name what we are seeing. if we do tha -- if we don't do it, the blood will be on our hands, too. >> this kept me up last night. i need you to say more. >> the thing is that when we -- there is this kind of desperate need for normalcy. >> yes. our brain is adaptive. we want to adapt back to what we normally do. right? when a primary starts. our adaptive -- there's not what's happening. >> not what's happening at all. part of what we have to do is to try to figure out -- what you try to do every day is to introduce a different kind of political vocabulary, a different way of thinking that
through our elected officials out to our communities that's what will best serve and keep everybody not necessarily in good spirits because this has been so challenging. >> reporter: and so the mayor, the governor, and other city and state officials have promised a more open dialogue doing more addresses either on social media or directly in person, and then having more meetings just like this, so people can air their grievances. >> we saw some cars going behind you and the roadblocks that are still in place, it just sort of emphasizes how difficult it is for anybody there to get back to some sense of normalcy right now, and obviously the ongoing searches are also top of mind. up next on "ana cabrera reports," what could the 2024 candidates learn from the 2016 debates. steve kornacki is here to break down big moments with and without trump.
antipolice posts. >> josh campbell, appreciate it. thank you. joining me now is lori carleton's daughter, ari carleton. ari, i'm so sorry we're talking under these circumstances. thank you so much for being with us. i'm so sorry for your loss. how are you holding up? >> well, me and my family are just trying to, you know, take it hour by hour, trying to find some sense of normalcy. and finding that that's the hardest part, just coming to terms with the new normal without our mate yar ki. >> your mom sounds like such an incredible lady. her interest in fashion goes way back. i was reading she worked at fred sea gull when she was just starting out. what do you want people to know about her? >> well, that's a loaded question. my mom and i were very close because she had such a long
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deputies who ultimately returned fire, shooting and killing him. it's important to note authorities say they have uncovered a significant social media presence by the suspect, he had an account on twitter as well as an account on gab, which of course is a platform that is popular with the far right. authorities, anderson, say they found many homophobic posts on that account. as well as anti police posts. >> all right, josh campbell, appreciate. during no carleton sauter, ari carleton. >> are, i am so sorry that we're talking under these circumstances. thank you so much for being with. us i am so sorry for your lost. how are you holding up? >> me and my family are just trying to take it hour by hour, trying to find some sense of normalcy and finding the that's the hardest part. just, coming to terms with the new normal without her. >> i, mean your mom sounds like such an incredible lady, and her interest and i know one