physical harm. >> and gene, this person has a deeply disturbed criminal history, an incident with his wife threatening to kill his wife and child in 2014 and so this is someone who you just can't -- you just don't know which way this person is going to break. >> no, you don't know which way he's going to break but that's the troubled person i think attracted to groups like the proud boys, it gives -- i'm not a psychologist but seems to give a sense of self and power he doesn't have in the real world but he can be powerful o para -- parlar, sometimes these