the first point is that in many instances when you start getting to people at this level, and you get one shot typically at an interview and in many cases, these folks are either nol going to want to talk to you or have many reasons to not tell you the truth. roger stone at this point is a convicted obstructionist, a convicted liar, he was pardoned but doesn t wipe away the convictions. if you go into an interview, you want information that will cause them to tell you the truth. you want things like phone records or text messages or emails. but to your other point, the question i would ask is certainly when you look at former president trump, the crimes that he allegedly committed aren t simply those of january 6th, and they aren t in terms of storming the capitol. exactly what you said, calls to the georgia officials to find additional votes. heck, you look back at all the potential acts of obstruction that special counsel mueller laid out, you look at the potential tax fraud going on
their president either on the big spending plan or on changing senate rules to pass the flust yermt our report remembers back with us to discuss the challenges ahead as well as a look back at the year past. democrats resisted, jeff zeleny, for months breaking up the social safety net plan. listen to the president say i guess i have no choice. it s clear to me that that we re going to have to probably break it up. i m not going to negotiate it myself as to what should and shouldn t be in it, but i think we can break the package up, get as much as we can now and come back and fight for the rest later. the question is now that he has made that concession publicly, how fast and what pieces? that is the open question here, and throughout the press conference the president was really blaming republicans for being so obstructionist, but he was also sending a very clear message to democrats, to check their expectations at the door in the second year of this presidency if they want to g
let s recall that during president obama s administration mitch mcconnell said that he would be an obstructionist. that he would not work with democrats, that he was going to be the grim reaper in which no legislation would pass. fast forward into when the republicans had a unified government and controlled the house, the senate and the white house. what did they do? they only took care of themselves with a tax legislation, and now we see that they were unwilling to lose the grips of power at the demise of our democracy. they re only concerned with power. they re only concerned with controlling our government and if they cannot have it they will destroy it and that s what we ve seen that president trump has done through so much information that s come out in january 6th that is validating the impeachment of that president and we ll show history will show that individuals who did
gave orders to who. so, we re trying to put together the activities of that most obstructionist, and defiant coterie of advisers around trump. the steve bannon, s and the rudy giuliani s. all of their actions, with the people who are far more forthcoming, from the oath keepers in the three percenters, and the proud boys, with people from the mob, with people in the department of defense, and the department of homeland security, people from the government. the vast majority of the people involved have told us the truth, want to tell us the truth, and are cooperating. it s really that tight to, little entourage surrounding donald trump, that are trying to hold out. that s what s going this down a little bit, but i think that, although time is on their side, all of the momentum is on our side. this is interesting language you use, empirically rooted, find great detail.
mcquade. she s a former u.s. attorney and a professor at the university of michigan law school, also an msnbc news analyst. so, barbara, given roger stone s history, did you think he was going to say anything? did you think he was going to walk in and cooperate? no. i mean, he has shown himself to be an obstructionist. when he has testified, he s been convicted of lying. the goal there would be to at least lock him into a story or force his hand and see what he s going to do. now he s invoked his fifth amendment rights not to testify, okay, and now they know where they need to go from there. i think it was an important step in the process. what kind of information do you think they want or need from him because it is interesting to me that he s like i wasn t there, but then it s like, no, you were there. you were there the fifth and the sixth. i mean what kind of information could they potentially get