protect the national security of the united states. it is good practice in a situation like that to gather evidence that can't be disputed, tape recordings go to that directly. i had two years of exposure to trump. people who worked for donald trump michael cohen and omarosa, taped him because they suspected he was taping them. >> as you say, you did it for your reasons. we're being told prosecutors never do this to their bosses? >> that's the thing, their concern here is that their boss isn't acting as a distant and fair minded manager of the law enforcement process, and the judiciary. >> or they may be involved in the very law enforcement process. >> they feel -- they were very aware, trump had just fired jim comey. you had the fbi and the justice department rattled by that, and
trump michael cohen and omarosa, taped him because they suspected he was taping them. >> as you say, you did it for your reasons. we're being told prosecutors never do this to their bosses? >> that's the thing, their concern here is that their boss isn't acting as a distant and fair minded manager of the law enforcement process, and the judiciary. >> or they may be involved in the very law enforcement process. >> they feel -- they were very aware, trump had just fired jim comey. you had the fbi and the justice department rattled by that, and trying to figure out the best course of responding to that, perhaps they made mistakes, but i think what they were trying to do is come up with a record that could not be disputed as they tried to understand what was going on here. bharara had the distinct advantage of being a new yorker, and new yorkers who were exposed to trump for decades before he ran for president, knew exactly how he rolled.
both sides as omarosa said in the past, they offered retainers to be ginning the campaign in exchange for signing a non-disclosure agreement. i am sure it is significant where he can be paid by the campaign and still loyal to donald trump and is in the fold and not go out in the press, he's legally preventing from. >> it is paid to keep quiet which seems to be a president tern with this president. cushing, let kirt, let's go to the article. a source close to trump says that president had been complaining and china was not strict enough. trump thought he was getting roger ailes but he got roger ailes's ghoper.
don't know right now but this all points to the president getting tired of somebody and forcing them out. >> was this -- as we look at potentially a new white house communication director, what does this say about the state of the white house, claire? where it might be going next? will there be another communications director. >> there is no need for one if you ask me. the president does his own communications. he does it pretty well. i think we haven't seen the last of bill shine. he's going to this campaign 2020. it is interesting to note that omarosa was offered that job and she decided she didn't want to sign a nondisclosure agreement and took a pass on it. so perhaps bill shine is going over there and maybe we'll hear no more from him. who knows. >> as a white house correspondent here, jordan, what is your thought about the future of the briefings? >> now that we don't have a communications director in the white house? >> you make a good connection
it is something that seems like he fixates on in particular. >> that's o >> that's because that's how he's run his entire career and his life, like he's a mafia dog. so, you know, we talk about maybe there's not a blood oath you have to take, but there is, you know, a question of will you be loyal to me and are you willing to go to the lengths that are necessary to be loyal to me, to be loyal to my enterprise, to be loyal to, you know, this -- the power dynamic that's going on here. so we saw that very clearly with michael cohen and with his testimony in front of congress. we've seen that in terms of, you know, his former employees who are now, who have gone to the dark side, who have turned on him, somebody like omarosa, who explicitly says loyalty is the driver of everything in his universe. so, you know, we've had presidents before who have been petty. we have had presidents who have asked for loyalty and different
loyal to a man, when i should not have been. now i know how khloe kardashian feels. >> it just so happens that i brought with me a black woman. and she works for trump, don't you? >> uh-huh. and her name is omarosa. >> oh, no, that is -- no, no. >> and she has stood by trump's side since the first season of "the apprentice." >> oh, that is not me. can i leave? >> absolutely. save yourself. >> president trump met with north korean dictator and, let's face it, one of his top five closest friends kim jong-un. talks broke down when they could not agree on sanctions. another problem was kim jong-un used an interpreter while trump just spoke english but louder. >> that was good. looks like a good one. thank goodness i have it taped. i can't wait to watch it today. kareem abdul-jabbar selling the majority of his memorabilia from his playing days raising
most disgusting racial slur when he called me a dog. >> how do you respond to omarosa and others calling the president a racist? >> look. i know omarosa, and i take her at her word. i'm reminded of something a conservative actually political philosopher, sir roger scruton wrote two or three years ago, everything is imperfect. but what can be reformed and what can be amended, but what must be thrown away all together. and as we look at the state of race relations in our country, i think, again, and i think donald trump has reminded us, and can you talk a lot about this. there are a lot of things in this country that we have to address. we cannot continue to turn a blind eye. we cannot continue to sweep them under the rug. we must, again, throw those things away, no pun intended to mr. scruton's quote. so i think donald trump's presidency gives this country an opportunity to really see who we
under the circumstances of what we're contending with today. if this president were to bribe, coerce or persuade 34 senators to vote against removal after the president was impeached by the house, he bribes 34 senators, so that the senate can't reach the requisite two-thirds to convict and remove, the olc memo says, tough luck, america. nothing you can do about it, because you can't indict a sitting president. that must be revisited. >> shermichael, let me get back to race for a minute. listen to what former trump aide omarosa, said on our show last night. you and michael cohen both have called the president a racist. why? >> we can look at his track record of what he said and when he's done. michael cohen was correct in his assessment, because he had a very intimate relationship with him. as i did. and on the receiving end of the
he said i told that the rally looked vanilla on television and trump responded black people are too stupitude vote for me. in your mind does it make a difference to hear that from him under oath than the various thinks we've seen him say in person that are obviously pretty bigoted and racist? >> i don't think it's going to make a difference for people who have already formed their opinion on donald trump. what the might influence is people -- the thing i've learned from omarosa and michael cohen is this sense that i should have done more while i was in that trump innercircle and say i am seeing the same shady behavior. >> shakes them loose. >> or i might end up in the same place michael cohen's going. >> this is the thing that blows
in your mind does it make a difference to hear that from him under oath than the various thinks we've seen him say in person that are obviously pretty bigoted and racist? >> i don't think it's going to make a difference for people who have already formed their opinion on donald trump. what the might influence is people -- the thing i've learned from omarosa and michael cohen is this sense that i should have done more while i was in that trump inner circle and say i am seeing the same shady behavior. >> shakes them loose. >> or i might end up in the same place michael cohen's going. >> this is the thing that blows my mind and what curtains up on tomorrow. mr. cohen will provide documentation for the $130,000 clifford payment.