sores more than 300 points that say surge to an all-time record fueled by glowing reviews of president trump's congressional address. he kept a low profile today tweeting nonl all caps, thank you, no bragging or twitter rants just two words from his personal account. 47 million people tuned in to watch the pruz president's address and he put a lot of asks acts on the table, haej healthcare, immigration, tax cuts, on and on and today the rubber met the road. meeting with republican leadership to turn all of those words and promises into actual action. >> we're just here to start the process. it begins as of now and we think we're going to have tremendous success. >> david purdue was in that meeting and he's out front tonight i'm going to speak with him i want to begin with jim acosta he is at the white house and uncharacteristically to say the least, quiet day for president trump.
>> that's right pu white house officials from the president on down are still slating after last night's speech. he was meeting with the ceo of news max and told chris rud did i that people are telling him it's the best speech he's ever given. so he's feeling good about last night. but he did get down to business meeting with republican congressional leaders here at the white house. we're hearing from sources it was about to replace and repeal the baej care act, it is to have it go into the committee bill process as early as next week. one thing we're told is that immigration did not come up during this meeting despite that big float from the white house yesterday that the president is open to a compromise bill on the issue. meanwhile, the white house is still not forecasting when the president will sign the replacement for the executive order that ban travel from seven majority muslim countries. that was delayed today to make sure last night's speech was not overspad doed by this controversial issue of the travel ban. but we are hearing the new executive order being drafted
will not include iraq among the nations impacted. and we did get the viewership numbers as to how many people watched the speech last night. it was a hefty sum but not as much as obama had. >> thank you very much. a meeting about the house republican house leadership had to gut and replace obamacare, it just wrapped up moments ago. some senators unwilling to embrace this plan. this is going to be crucial it is what the president says his top number one priority. man u, what are you hearing happened. >> we're hearing there are a lot of republican senators to key house republican chairman about what is in that plan. there were discussions about a central issue in that plan including tax credits to allow people to purchase health insurance, but we know now there is not still consensus behind one single plan not just on healthcare but on a range of issues on donald trump's agenda.
>> president donald trump told reports yesterday he'd be open to a dramatic shift legalizing some undocumented immigrants has part of a broad compromise bill. but during his speech last night, trump was vague on the details, instead emphasizing tougher enforcement and building a wall on the border with mexico. >> i believe that real and positive immigration reform is possible. >> the mixed message dollars spawned confusion on capitol hill and left many deeply skeptical that any immigration measure could pass congress this year. >> we said we're going deliver on security border and we haven't delivered ton. >> reporter: he suggest ed could be open to legal status for undocumented immigrants. he told that to reporters yesterday. would you be able to that legal status? >> before you even deal with that question, you've got to -- you've got to take care of these other things. that's the most important thing you've got to build confidence
for. >> conservatives are dubious that he may back off his hard-line stance on immigration. >> reporter: are you open to the idea of imzblants my view is we need to secure the border. i don't support amnesty. >> trump began to lay out the plan for its big legislative push with the president planning a more aggressive effort to sell it to his party. they're running into problems with the democrats to allow people to purchase health since. >> it comes across as a new entitlement we're trying to figure out the mechanics so whatever we do in that area we can't make the same mistakes in the structure of how it's done. >> the cost of all his plans are adding up including 1 patrol dollars for infrastructure and billions for the border wall, defense programs, and new family leave initiatives. >> we do have to focus more, in
my view, on the fiscal problems. by the way, i don't think the economy arizona going to grow until do you that either. >> now, the first big push, of course, is going to be on obamacare. inspect those to begin as early as next week in the committees and the house, but the question is how quickly can they move it through the house and the senate if there is opposition within the ranks and the republican side, which is why the bhous white house needs to play a critical role according to some republicans to shore up support particularly in the right flank of their party. >> thank you very much. and out front tonight lets zbets to the art of that issue. good to have you with me senatorry appreciate your time. obviously so much to talk about, i know had you both of these meetings today. let's started with the one with the president, you were with him. what did he say. >> well, first of all i was very encouraged with his speech last night where this president laid out his vision for america. and today at lunch he got right down to it. he said, look, we've laid the vision out, now it's time to go
to work and execute. 0 so it was very much a business-like meeting moving at a business pace with the right players in the room to get this done. >> so i want to talk about that one thing first, though, and that is the point i made at the top of our show but we didn't hear from him much today. he didn't go out on twitter, he didn't put the executive order out like he was plan doing. all he did was publicly tweet this, thank you, in all caps, kpla medication point. that's it. that is uncharacteristic for the man, we all know this. when he was with you, did he express pride in his performance? did he talk about the fact that he prepared for it? any kind of victory lap? >> let me tell you my take onthy was there last night and what i saw last night is more like i see in private with this man. he is a strong leader. he has a heart for america, that's why he's done this. what we saw last night, though, is a man who's really concerned about the future of our country and he laid out a great vision for that. what we talked about at lunch today was more about specifics about executing this healthcare
plan and how we pull ourselves together to make this work in a timely manner. and i'm encouraged after that. this was a viz business meeting, he laid out his vision, the results he expected the actions that have to happen and he looked around the advisors in the room and decided this can get done. >> okay. so this can get done. let me make sure i understand what you're saying on this because last night the president seemed 10 to dors speaker ryan's healthcare plan. is that what he said to you today that is the plan he's on board with it that is what he's going to sell to the american people and people in congress like you? >> i'll tell you what's happening right now. hhs secretary tom price, the administration, the senate and the house, staff and members, have been working on this for weeks and we're moving toward a bill that will pass the house and that the president will sign. that's what we're working for. the senate is having input right now and we're moving toward the final phases of that and getting it done. >> so, look, the plan that paul ryan had had things like tax credits in it.
you were in the meeting with senate republicans that ended just moments ago. we all know there's a split within the gop. i've talked to members of congress who don't support ryan's plan, ted cruz don't support paul ryan's plan. are you on board with it? are you taking tax credits out? it sounds to me like what you're saying there's going to be yet another plan that's going to come out of all of this talking? >> well, there is no final plan right now. they're in the final movements of putting the final touches on this right now. and so they're seeking input and that's what we're giving. that's what these meetings are about. the meeting at the white house the president listened, he took input and that's what the meeting this afternoon was about. so i think you're going to see a united front here very shortly with an exciting direction for our count punt. let me mention this. this is not about, you know, talking about two plans where one's work and one's better than the other one. we're talking about replacing a plan if we don't do anything will kplaps under its own weight. in my home state 96 counties only have one carrier and it's
fragile. if we lose that one carrier, what do we do. >> everyone knows there's problems with obamacare, president obama was on that list he said give me something to fix it and i'll support it. >> well we're going to give him something to fix it after eight years. >> tax credits are crucial to paul ryan's plan. you have spoken negatively about that concept before. do you support tax credits? is that something would you support in a final plan? >> i'm going to support a plan that the president will sign, that's the bottom line. anything is going to be better than what we've got right now and ooem encouraged after the conversation today that we're tightening down the options here to a plan that will make people better served in their healthcare needs than make america -- get this economy going again at the same time. >> so you're open minded on it. you know, you talk about healthcare, though, and i know that was the lion share of what you talked about today, but last night the president talked about a whole lot more of that. it was one of the most ambitious spending agendas that we have ever heard. >> i will be asking congross
approve legislation that produces a one patrol dollars infra truckture in the united states financed through public and private capital. our military will be given the resources its brave warriors deserve. we want to work with borj feerts make child care accessible and affordable, to help ensure new parents that they have paid family leave. we will stop the drugs from pouring into our country and poisoning our youth and we will expand treatment for those who have become so badly addicted. >> more resources, expanding, a patrol dollars, paid family leave. those are not things someone like you would always ordinarily support. it's a lot of spending. are you behind it all? >> erin, you know what my heart is, it's to get after this debt crisis and he talked about that last night. one of the steps in doing there is goirowing the economy.
but he also talked about private public partnerships. we've got a great example right now we used usid in africa with public money and created the africa power plan that used private public partnership and attracted a lot of money. he has that some business structure and i fully ask you that. i think we do that at home but we have to get after the other parts that will solve this debt crisis over time like saving social security and medicare. but that has to come after we have healthcare reform, regulatory reform and tax reform this year. >> we have a lot to talk about because this is a lot of spending and over time i wonder where you will stand on some of these things. thank you so much i appreciate your time tonight. don't miss lindsey graham tonight on stage with dana bash that is at 9:00 right here on
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take joblessness. >> we must honestly acknowledge the circumstances we inherited. 94 million americans are out of the labor force. >> the figure is right but the vast majority of those people don't want work, according to government data. 44 million are retired, 15 million disabled, nearly 13 million taking care of a family member, and almost 16 million are in college or job training. maybe because they couldn't find work, but all those adjustments fwlang big number way down. how about crime. >> the murder rate in 2015 experienced it's largest single-year increase in nearly half a century. >> reporter: that's only because the murder rate the year before was really low. the overall rate is still way down compared to past decades. immigration. >> according to national academy of sciences, our current immigration system costs american taxpayers many billions of dollars a year.
>> yes, that report indicating first generation immigrants is costly but their kids contribute so much to the economy the long-term impact is likely positive for taxpayers. and what about all those companies pouring money into the economy now that he is in office. >> they will invest billions and billions of dollars in the united states and will create tens of thousands of new american jobs. >> reporter: mr. trump has enkoouj couraged some big companies with their new investments, but many he sitcit already had those plans before he was elected. still, president trump isn't the first to push aside an inconvenient truth. george w. bush ignored significant job losses when he told congress in 2004. >> this economy is strong and growing stronger and jobs are on the rise. >> and barack obama bragged just last year about crete creating. >> 14 million new jobs. >> also looking over job losses
under his watch which diminished those gains. however, saying all president dos it does not mean there are ways of twisting around the truth are all equal and many fact checkers said the trump administration really takes it much further than a lot of people who came before him. it's undeniable, they say, which of course the team trump denies. >> thank you very much. out front, senior political analyst mark preston andette editor and chief of the beast, john avalon. thanks to all. did the president take noo too many liberties with the numbers or did he simply choose the information that works best for his message which after all is what these things are all about? >> more so the latter. he certainly used numbers that he thought could bolter his case, the problem is he didn't go into very specific detail or even a little bit of detail that would explain how he would have, for instance, an infrastructure bill get passed through congress, how it would actually
be paid for, what programs he would cut on the domestic side in order to fund the military. so he did try to use the numbers to sell a grand vision for his plan, but we don't know how he's going to get there if he were to. >> and of course that's the big question. but when you look at this, when tom fact checked just the claims he fact checked, there was truth in all of them, and some of them a very significant degree of truth and we just picked a few out of very many things he said. >> but the 93 million number, let's take that for a second. going with that would imply that more than a third of the nation is unemployed or out of the labor workforce. i mean, that's -- that's not even an unforced error, that's just ridiculous. there's a difference about selective choosing of statistics to make your point, all president dos that. but when you go for gross exaggeration it's because you're building an argument on sand and we can't grade him on a curve like this. let's not lower the bar. it was his best speech by far as
president, but let's have the reality check about what it means in the greater context. >> in a sense of this it seemed this is much more normal, this is what presidents do. obama claimed that he created twice as many jbzs' actually did, there was truth in that number though as well. but this is what president dos, they cite something, there's a truth, and then there's a complete spin. >> i think that's right. and i think the problem i think a lot of people particularly democrats and progressives have with the way donald trump spins the truth is that he tends to malign certain groups when he's spinning these numbers, particularly around crime and illegal imgrnts. and we've seep e seen him do that and talk about undocumented immigrants, particularly mexicans. had a constant tleheme 3
throughout his presidency talking about undocumented immigrants and relating them to crime. and most studies showing that undocumented immigrants aren't anymore likely to commit crimes, in fact they're less likely to do that. so he uses this argument to then argue that there needs to be a wall to keep out, you know, immigrants from pouring into the country and committing crimes. so i think a lot of folks have a problem with that because he's doing that with no data to back it up. >> on that claim he said current immigration system costs america's taxpayers many billions of dollars, that report does say integrating first generation immigrants is costly. but it says their kids contribute so much to the economy their benefit is likely positive. when you look back at other presidents, would they have done the same thing, the basic fact he said there was a truth in it,
dent take it all the way to the conclusion. would other presidents have done the same. >> what have they done what donald trump did specifically to make his point? i don't think so. but i don't think we've seen anyone like donald trump necessarily. not even necessarily, we haven't seen anyone like donald trump ever aseed to the office that he is currently in right now pet does use facts and we saw this last night, we certainly saw it during the campaign, they're not necessarily facts, he uses statistics to bolster his own argument. he doesn't care if they're true or not but he uses it. and half the country right now believes him spot for him, it's a win. but? >> but look let's not be led by fear into an age of unreason. there's a spin but there's objective reality and if you want to judge his speech last night against other presidents, most presidents have made it's a nation of immigrants, it's the
negative image of that that he focus oonds so he ignores statistics that bolster that. >> right. >> we need to be able to agree what's a fact, we need to have a fact-based debate and if it's being disstorted by the president that's a problem. >> how would you grade him on his use of facts last night because i think what stood out to everyone watching was that it was markedly different from the way he throws around statistics or numbers that are not -- that are not true in other rallies or events. >> i think that's right. i mean, this is a president and a candidate who's known ton traffic in conspiracy theories one which was about 3 to 5 million people voting illegally. he has done that. i think in that setting it sobered him up, right, you see the supreme court justice, you see the joint chiefs of staff there, you see all your cabinet officials. so i think in that way he understood that bringing the kind of folk tales and conspiracy theories that he
usually traffics in wouldn't work in that audience. who's to say, you know, when he gets on twitter again or he's, you know, giving an interview or a rally you imagine that he might revert to form because that is the way he's known to communicate. >> that's when he's most comfortable. . next the most powerful moment of the night. standing ovation for the yem navy s.e.a.l. kild in yemen. and his new tone, was it a pivot at long last or just a performance? >> i'm here tonight to deliver a message of unity and strength and it is a message deeply delivered from my heart. on your phone and online. so you don't miss his first birthday. tickets, i need to see your tickets sir. i masterpassed it.
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>> we're just here to start the process. >> after delivering a speech that cheered his party and calmed at least some of his critics, he plotted strategy with republican leaders at the white house where top officials are sensing some mow mept tomb. >> what the american people saw is the president i serve with every day, broad shoulders, a big heart, and he laid out a specific agenda which is what he ran on when he was elected in november. >> but following mostly positive reviews for the speech, reality is setting in that democrats and even some republicans are hardly rallying around the president's agenda. while he talked about keeping parts of obamacare. >> we should encure that are americans with preexisting conditions have access to coverage. >> democrats complained repealing the health care law will deaf state families. >> they're all about refeel, you know, that's what they want to do. they don't want -- there's no replacement plan. the emper yore has no clothes. >> as for the president's pitch for a compromised bill,
democrats say they prefer a more public peace offering. >> i'm willing to say publicly i don't believe it and frankly a lot of what he does say publicly is very hard to believe. look, we all want to read into the tea leaves of things he says for at tra bugs off the record as holding out the promise that maybe he'll be a different kind of a president. >> writing the speech was a trump team effort including the president, vice president as well as top white house aides, not to mention ivanka trump and curber. after the president's darker inaugural address, yet the shift was palpable. >> the time for small thinking is over. the time for trivial fights is behind us. >> even if democrats are suspicious that the turn from the trivial will last. >> it only matters if he just stops tweeting today, if he stops insulting people that he is going to be watching on television today who might
disagree with him. >> and speaking of pivots, the white house is not offering any new insights as to when the president will pivot to a replacement that the president banned travel from seven muslim countries but they're discussing whether to remove iraq from the list of countries affected from that travel ban, something we know that the iraqi prime minister was talk together president about about a month ago. and so it is something that is seriously under consideration at this point. at this point no firm time tata as to when we'll see that replacement. >> now the congress woman from florida, schultz, and great to have you with me tonight. let me start with you with this, our headline here at cnn was presidential trump. do you agree? >> you know, i don't agree because i thought much of his speech was completely incongrew us with the policies she's been pushing for the first 40 days of his administration and he
contradicted himself during the speech when he talks about obamacare collapsing in the face of 20 million people who have it and the folks in the marketplace is being in a situation where they actually have the lowest rate of increases in healthcare premiums in 50 years. and most of those folks. >> many people are saying their rates double. >> erin, actually, most people in the marketplaces are able to get a policy for a monthly premium of less than $100 with the subsidies. but the republicans are planning to rhee peel those subsidies when they repeal obamacare so they're the ones that going to cost healthcare costs to sky rocket and access the care to be extremely limit and paired back. >> i would love to ask you more but i want to talk about your speech. some of your colleagues have been more positive than you are. steven lynch said and i'll quote him, i think his words were a
significant shift from his previous rhetoric. what do you say to them? 2 sounds like they're trying to find something positive to reach across the aisle and work with this president? >> well, i'm certainly willing to work with anyone who is actually going to show me that they are willing to work with us. i'm a show me person, not a tell me person. a speech is tell me. so i can only go on what i have seen in his track record thus far. thinks track record thus far has changed immigration policy that is now sweeping up people who have done nothing more than exist many this country to take care of themselves. he actually mentions immigration reform last night in the same speech that he brags about how as he was speaking ice officials were actually rounding up undocumented immigrants. i mean, there is hypocrisy in the speech, and while i'm glad he's mentiontion things we might be able to work with him on, i want to see what that looks like
before i give him good marks. >> he did say some things in his speech that almost everyone could agree with and in fact some of your democrat colleagues did. >> as we mark the conclusion of our celebration of black history month, we are reminded of our nation's path towards civil rights and the work that still remains to be done. >> he gets that a. [ applause ] so people could see some of your democrat standing there. reminded our nation's path with civil rights and the work that needs to be done. you did not stand. if you can't stand for that, are you saying that you can't work with him on anything? >> on monday morning as i was about to have a previous press confroens talk about the explosion and anti-semitic attacks across this country and
100 jcc, jewish communities would had their cars scratched with symbols, on my way to that conference a jcc in my district where a children go to school had a bomb threat levied at it. and this is a president who since january spent weeks, not days, weeks saying nothing. and so, you know, i'm glad that he spoke out against anti-semitism and spoke out again -- >> which is how he led his speech last night, the very top. >> and it's at this point too little too late and i want to see the actions that he's going to take. this is someone who during his campaign, erin, retweeted white supremacists. had is someone who's fanned the flames and given permission an license for these anti-semitic attacks and acts to come to the surface, and that's unacceptable. so he has to do a lotmore and further about i stand and
applaud for him saying some things that he should have said long ago. >> too little too late. so let me ask you something else. representative kevin kramer last night i don't know if you know, you were doing white and doing so in honor of women's suffer rage and to stand up for any policies the trump administration would do that would hurt women's rights. kevin kramer said you all were poorly dressed. he has just come out and said something more and i want to play it for. >> you the point of my statement was these women who put on these white pant suits to celebrate suffer rage were really there to be rude to donald trump. that was obvious not by their clothes, but addition to clothing, hand gestures, thumbs down. >> what do you say to him? >> well, i was wearing a pretty fabulous sleeveless white dress that i have gotten lots of compliments on so first and foremost i say that he doesn't appear to have any taste. but particularly many women's clothing. but more importantly, he
obviously misses the point in that it's pretty difficult to think that send a message to the president when we are sitting right in front of him with a sea of white attire that we are not going to allow him to roll back women's progress in this country is actually patriotic and shows that we care about the issues that are important to women and won't let them roll back our progress. >> i mentioned the zblish he doesn't get it. >> i mentioned the issue of standing up and i want to ask you this. president trump's counselor kellyanne conway retweeted a story today. it claimed that you did not stand up for the standing ovation for the wife of a fooul fallen navy s.e.a.l. she retweeted the claim, let me show everyone, hope this is not true it was moment of unity and deserved recognition. we check looked the video on the white house says that is not the case. >> that's right. >> let me show this for
everybody. >> ryan died as he lived, a warrior and a hero battling against terrorism and securing our nation. >> we can see you there standing, congress zblan right. >> so that claim was false. as i said, she retweeted it saying hope this is not true. you today tweeted the fact check showing that was false. has she apologized to you and does she oyou an apology. >> of course she hasn't apologized because that's their m.o. they generate and perpetuate fake news. they don't tell the truth, they lie, they distort, they intentionally put out faulgs information so that they can fry to control the news cycle and get a better -- >> you think she did that on purpose knowing it was false? >> well, when you actually tweet
something that's as highly charged as that accusation was that isn't true, why would you put it out there if you weren't trying to leave the impression with most people that see it that it was true? maybe she could pick up the phone and call my office, call me and ask me if it was true? how about check the white hou house.goff tape. that's why i don't trust them roar the american people don't trust them, and that's why he's been so wholly unpopular up to this point. >> would you accept an apology from her if she gave you one. >> i don't need an apology, i need them to start telling the truth. >> i need them to back up their words with action and i immediate them to really mean what they say when they say they want to work together in trying to help make sure we can improve people's quality of life, not do what they are doing, which is rounding up immigrants who are only trying to take care of their families, saying that they're going to take healthcare
away from millions of people and essentially spending every single day lying to people's faces and then repeating those lies over and over as they did with this accusation directed at me today. >> thank you very much i appreciate your time, congresswoman. >> thanks so much. >> up front next the yemen raid that took the life of the navy s.e.a.l. ryan owens. was that raid a success in what they gathered? we have no information on what they got into that raid. he led a prayer, now the hispanic pastor is offer undocumented immigrants a safe haven in his church. he joins me live next. and a team of experienced traders ready to help if you need it. it's like having the power of a trading floor, wherever you are. it's your trade. e*trade
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successful raid that generated large amounts of vital intelligence. >> a full-throat the defense of the raid in yemen that led to the death of navy s.e.a.l. william ryan owens last month. u.s. officials tell cnn the intelligence gathered points to additional al-qaeda hide outs that may lead to even more raids. documents the sooelz seized detail training, targeting, and explosives manufacturing by a group which has attacked the west including the 2015 attack on the charlie abdoe offices in paris and the attempted 2009 bombing of an aircraft landing in detroit. but there are serious questions about how the s.e.a.l.s ran straight into a fire fight resulting in several civilians also be killed. several military investigations are under way to determine what really happened. >> one thing i will caution the
president do is don't oversell. >> cnn has learned the pentagon and the white house are discussing changing how some counterterrorism missions are approved and authorized. under consideration, whether defense secretary james mattis and military commanders should be able to green light some missions. >> the problem that you have with that is if something goes terribly wrong, you're going to end up with a lot of political fallout for something that you didn't approve or understand the minute details of. >> the white house insists president trump will continue signing off on raids that, i his approval. white house press secretary sean spicer saying it is a philosophy more than a change in policy. he says he believes these are the experts in this field. president trump you will ready suggesting he wasn't completely involved in the yemen raid. >> this was a mission that was started before i got here, this was something that they wanted to do. they came to see me, they
explained what they wanted to do, the jebs who were very respected. my generals are the most respected that we've had in many decades, i believe. and they lost ryan. >> from a political standpoint, it may be good for somebody who wants to wash thai hands of something, but from a military standpoint it really abbro gates the authority that the commander in chief has inherent in his position. >> details of the yemen mission remain highly classified so don't expect to see much more information be made public any time soon, if ever. >> all right. thank you. and next our guest the hispanic paster who led a prayer at trump's inauguration. tonight offering shelter to undocumented immigrants to avoid the president's immigration laws. he is my left live. and were the advice press and paul ryan wearing the same suit, shirt, and tie? we have the fashion report.
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new tonight, hispanic pastor who led a prayer at president trump's inauguration now offering a safe haven for undocumented immigrants in the united states. ref rant samuel rodriguez's church setting up. he's a pastor at new season christian worship center in sacramento, which is the largest evangelical hispanic in the world. i know this has got to be a big decision four. it puts you at odds with a man you supported on many issues the you gave a prayer at his inauguration. many criticized you for doing that. you took a stand, you did that. why are you doing this now? >> and i still support him on many issues. it's a difficult situation and circumstance for our entire community. this is a community full of god-fearing, hardworking individuals. and i applaud and commend
president trump for making a commitment to protect daca, the dreamers, of course. i just want him to fulfill his entire promise not tacoma pact or harm those terrific or wonderful god-faerg people. the deportations that have taken place in the past two weeks have harmed them, yes. we want the people that need to be deported as expeditiously as possible. >> so you support him on that. >> indeed. but the problem is what about the 5, 10, fif teen 20% that were not hardened criminals and these families were separated? this impacts our entire community indeed and as bible-believing christians we can't stand silently by without trying to keep families together. >> have you called the president about this? have you reached out to him? i mean you did a really good turn for him. you were at his inauguration and you gave that prayer and that was important. have you tried to call him to
tell him what you're feeling? >> i have great respect for president trump, and again, if "the new york times" page one article today stands filled with accuracy as it pertains to prior to the address last night that he made a commitment to providing a comprehensive solution to immigration, then i applaud him for that. i am attempting to contact the president, indeed. again, i applaud him and celebrate his commitment to stopping illegal immigration, to making sure we protect our border, but please, don't separate hardworking, god-faeea families. don't separate them. that's my call. >> have you called him? has he called you back? what's the status of that? it seems to me honestly that he should speak to you and listen to you as someone who has been a supporter and a friend in the hispanic community, a vocal and important one. >> and i am reaching out.
in full disclosure i am reaching out. i understand he's busy with a number of agenda an items likewise. but this is so critical for the community. this evangelical latino community, 30% of latinos support president trump of which 66 self-identified as evangelicals. so it's a community than really resinates with the president on reliej justice life, educational equality, so i would love to see immigration reform take place this year. >> all right. well thank you very much, reverend. i appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> next, generalmy moes on why gq may be president trump's most valuable adviser. is data that can make the difference between winning and losing. the microsoft cloud helps the pga tour turn countless points of data into insights that transform their business
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a noticeable shift in trump's style. >> reporter: he's no longer just. >> the president of the united states. >> reporter: he's now a fashion plate. >> he's undergone something of a presidential makeover. >> reporter: sort of like gq had suggested. >> the donald look like he had a tailored suit on. >> reporter: sharper shoulders, not so baggy and. >> he buttoned his jacket. >> reporter: the way too long red tie traded in for navy and white stripes. and since we're fashion policing the speech, what about the twins in back. >> who immediately showed their commitment ton fiscal responsibility by purchase a buy one get two freet suit and tie combo. >> reporter: nothing cheap by ivankaya's strappy dress or melania trump's glitering outfit if the all of them had fans
tweeting melania looking like a million bucks, actually $9,900 on michael kors website. michelle obama got bleep, exposing had shoaleders but melania showing 100 yards of cleave vag. but this 8-year-old girl honored the first lady the speech attracted democrats wearing white while waving their thumbs in a joef yell independent reviewing reporter calling out. >> bernie, who are you wearing? cory booker who are are you wearing. >> justice roberts, who are you wearing. >> reporter: there was one, i don't know if you could call it a misstep involving shoes. secretary of commerce wilbur ross was snapped wearing velvet slippers. custom made ones like this cost upwards of $500 as stubs and
suitorman, senior editor at "reason" magazine. kasie, let me start with you. we've already seen far right groups like heritage action criticize the plan, club for growth as well, freedom works, rand paul calling it obamacare light. you tweeted this a few hours ago. here it is, "it is still early so caveats apply but events of today suggest gop health care bill is already on life support, if not dead on arrival." how can that be so early, kasie? >> reporter: well look, craig, this bill has run into extraordinary opposition just in the first handful of hours that it has been out in the public, and you're saying you tick through some of the groups that have come out and opposed this, the heritage action went so far as to say this doesn't repeal obamacare. that of course kind of the cardinal sin for a party that has spent the last however many years campaigning specifically on repealing obamacare. so the people who are
to younger people and less generous to older people. there would be a cap so that really high income people wouldn't be able to get access to it at all, but really the question here is what are republicans trying to do with this bill, and i'm not sure they know, except to say we have a bill that has repealed and replaced obamacare, because it's really not clear who the constituency is for this legislation, and the fact that so many major conservative groups have already come out in opposition. heritage action, freedom works, americans for prosperity, this bill was supposed to unite the right which was really fractured about health care, going into this process. and they have united the right in opposition to the bill. >> one of the chief complaints, peter, as you know to obamacare, it was rammed down our throats so fast. no one had time to read it. it was 1200 pages, we couldn't get our heads around it. no cbo scoring, no public hearings, markup on the bill set for tomorrow.
why the rush? >> the secrecy surrounding the writing of this bill is really telling. it just does not inspire confidence that this bill was locked in a room, that senators, republican senators who want to repeal obamacare were not allowed to see the bill last week, and that they have decided to forego the cbo process early on here. they say that the cbo will have a score at some point, perhaps by easter, but that's a ways off here and the cbo score is really what sort of rallies people. the cbo is imperfect and it doesn't always get things right but at the same time what it does is it provides a singular number for coveragestimates, for effects on the budget for cost. singular number that essentially everyone has to either agree to or provide a really good reason why they are not agreeing to and the fact that republicans aren't going to with that, aren't going through that process is really telling. >> kasie, let's pivot here and talk about today's hearing for deputy attorney general romney
rod rosenstein. lot had to do with the performance of attorney general jeff sessions. i want to play this fiery exchange between republican chuck grassley, the chairman of the judiciary committee and al franken of wisconsin. >> as i remember senator franken asking his question of senator sessions, he referred to something that there had just been something come on cnn that obviously, and franken said that senator sessions wouldn't know what it was and he was going to take that into consideration that it would have been all right for you to ask your question, and you probably should have given him a chance to get the information you had and reflect on it, and give an answer in writing. now the way i tend to, and you both of you know that i said this to you when you were in the privacy of my office. if i was going to ask you a gotcha question, i was going to tell you about it ahead of time and i consider what senator franken asked sessions at that late moment that that story just
come out is a gotcha question. >> it was not a gotcha question, sir. >> it was, from the standpoint that he didn't know what you were asking about. >> but i said that as i was asking the question. >> senator, no. >> you haven't heard this and i don't expect you have heard it. >> senator tillis? >> look at the tape mr. chairman, please. >> a testy exchange the likes of which we do not see often in the upper chambe kasie hunt. the big question onrosenstein today was would hupport an independent counsel to investigate the election in the trump/russia ties. what did he say to that? >> reporter: right. that obviously the sessions, the question to sessions that franken asked is what ultimately has resulted in a chain of events that has led to anybody having any idea who mr. rosenstein is at this stage in the game, because sessions of course ended up having to recuse himself from anything related to the trump campaign and democrats have focused on the deputy attorney general slot as the one that will ultimately be making
decisions about prosecutions and other issues around any inquiries into the trump campaign and ties to russia. so at this point, mr. rosenstein did not commit one way or the other to having a special prosecutor. he says he's potentially open to it, that no decisions have been made. so we're going to have to see if that's good enough for some of the democrats who interest threatened to hold up his nomination over this. in the blumenthal of connecticut saying he doesn't want to allow this to go forward without that commitment. it only takes one senator to do that. craig? >> senator blumenthal standing by for us, we'll talk to him in a few moments. matt, as we watch this hearing play out here in real time it's ongoing, we just saw texas senator ted cruz asking some questions. you worked at the doj under eric holder, tell us about this man named rod rosenstein. what's he like? >> he's a straight arrow. he's a prosecutor's prosecutor. i think he's about as good a choice as we can expect for deputy attorney general.
personally i wish he was the attorney general rather than jeff sessions. if rod rosenstein was left to investigate this russia question or appointed a special counsel to iestigate the question he would do a good job. the deputy attorney general regularly sits in the situation room with the president. 'long with others is vying for influence with the president, is asking the president to pass judgment on things, policy things the department of justice is doing on investigations and so it's difficult at the same time you're constantly interacting with the president and members of the white house to be investigating the president's campaign and expect that to be done fairly. this is such a tenuous time in the department of justice's history, after the incident with loretta lynch and the meeting with bill clinton, with jim comey's actions last year in july, and then right before the election, and then of course
sessions' recusal. there are a lot of americans asking whether the department of justice can investigate political matters fairly and independently, and in a situation like this it's so damaging for the department's credibility. i think the only solution is to follow kind of the press decede that happened in the bush administration when ross rosenstein's predecessor appointed a special counsel to investigate the white house, the only situation that would allow americans to believe this was being handled fairly. >> matt thank you. senator richard blumenthal democrat from connecticut sits on the judiciary committee. let me show you, show everyone what you tweeted on sunday, "i'll use every possible tool to block doj deputy ag nominee unless he commits to appoint independent special prosecutor." let me play who rod rosenstein said today when asked that question. >> are you willing to auto point
a special counsel to examine russiainterferences in elections and other criminal activity? >> i'm willing to appoint a special counsel whenever i determine appropriate based on the policies and procedures of the justice department. >> after what you heard today, will you block him? >> i will use every tool available to block him, because he has failed to commit to appoint a special prosecutor, and make no mistake. we know enough right now to see that this nation is careening toward a constitutional crisis. the russians meddled in our electoral process, our democracy, the intelligence agencies are all in a consensus on that point and donald trump seems to have accepted it. there are clear evidence of ties between the trump campaign, the trump transition team, the trump administration and the russians. there are false statements made by now attorney general jeff sessions during his nomination
proceedings, false statements that could lead to a coverup, all of these threats demand an independent objective impartial investigation that is seen by the american public as credible and trustworthy, not just in fact trustworthy and credible, and so i think that he must commit to a special prosecutor, and when i asked him again today about that commitment, he really failed to commit himself. >> senator, for those of us who are watching and listening, who might not be as familiar with parliamentary procedure there in the upper chamber, precisely how will you go about blocking this nomination? >> there are ways that we can ask for delays in votes. there are procedures we can use on the floorthe united states senate, all of the technical details may be obtuse but they are not unlimited, so
the ultimate ability to block the nomination may not be unlimited either, and so i will do everything in my power because i believe so strongly the nation needs an independent special prosecutor. i support the intelligence committee doing its investigation. i support the creation of a select committee, and also a special commission that can produce findings and recommendations in a report that's fully transparent. only a prosecutor can pursue criminal wrongdoing, whether it's false statements or other violations of the law. >> let's talk in a moment here about the house plan to fix health care. i imagine that you've had an opportunity to thumb through it, to a a certain extent. on its face, is this something that is a legislative starting point or is this dead on arrival? >> it seems like less coverage at higher cost, fewer people covered, and higher payments, which seems like a recipe for
disaster in health care. the ones who suffer most are older folks, children, women. it would be devastating to women's health care by defunding planned parenthood and that is an abhorrent sacrifice that i will oppose with every ounce of energy that i have, and the ones who seem to be better off are the insurance companies and the healthy. that also seems to me to make it highly suspect, and so i think with seven of my colleagues here, republicans opposing it right now, it's pretty much a nonstarter. >> let's talk about the travel ban that was announced yesterday. not so much whether you agree with it as a matter of policy. considering the changes that have been made by the administration, do you think that it will at least pass constitutional muster? >> it raises the same constitutional questions as the -- >> senator, hang on one second.
i want to get back into the judiciary hearing to listen to your colleagues for a second. >> cnn just published a story and i'm telling you this about a news story that's just been published, i'm not expecting you to know whether or not it's true, but cnn just published a story alleging that the intelligence community provided documents to the president-elect last week that included information that "russian operatives claimed to have compromising personal and financial information about mr. trump." these documents also allegedly say "there was a continuing exchange of information during the campaign between trump's surrogates and intermediaries for the russian government." now again, i'm telling you this as it's coming out, just so you know, but if it's true, it's obviously extremely serious, and if there is any evidence that anyone affiliated with the trump campaign communicated with the
russian government in the course of this campaign, what will you do? i think that was a fair question and certainly not a gotcha question, and he didn't answer my question. what he said to that question was, "senators franken, allegations get made about candidates all the time and they've been made about president-elect trump lots of times. most of them virtually --" wait a minute, i am sorry. "i'm not aware of any of these activities. i've been called a surrogate at a time or two in that campaign, and i did not have communications with the russians and i'm unable to comment on it." so in other words, it can't be a gotcha question if he didn't understand the question. so the thing that got him was
him saying that he had not met with russians, but that wasn't even my question. my question was just if this is and i asked it of mr. rosenstein, which is if it turns out to be the case that members of the mpaign, of the tru campaign have met with russians and you know, includclud kohl cd with them, it was not a gotcha question. that's all i want to say. if you go back and look at the tape i have to say i couldn't have been nicer. i couldn't have been sweeter. really. so that's that. mr. rosenstein, i want to ask you a question. the. 's former national security adviser, michael flynn, resigned his position because he misled senior administration officials
regarding his communications with the russian ambassador, and it's been reported sally yates, who once held the position you are looking to fill and was acting attorney general earlier in the trump administration warned the white house that mr. flynn could be vulnerable to blackmail because of his coverup. mr. rosenstein, knowing what we know now, do you think ms. yates was right to be concerned? >> senator, i hope i've been clear on this point throughout my testimony. i appreciate the opportunity to clarify it. at this point, i believe as a lawyer, and as a justice department official currently and potentially in the future, it's important for me to limit my testimony to matters of which i know both the facts and the law, and where i've consulted with the department of justice professionals who are engaged in handling the matter, so on issues like that one i appreciate senate whitehouse sharing his perspective earlier that you need to know the facts and the relevant information. you can't prejudge matters.
there's currently an acting attorney general dana boente in that position with regard to any investigation that may be occurring. with regard to yr specific question, my answer is, senator, that i do not know the details of what the basis was for that, and i wouldn't reach any opinion about it just based on what i read in the newspaper. >> senator from hawaii? >> thank you, mr. chairman. there are more than 18,000 law enforcement agencies -- >> all right, senator blumenthal you heard that exchange. what say you, got cha question? not a gotcha question? >> not a gotcha question at all. in fact, the point senator franken was making essentially is that then senator sessions offered an answer that wasn't even required by the question. he on his own offered that he never met with the russians, and so he really dug himself this hole, and the question when it was gotcha or whatever, didn't
necessarily require that answer. and i think there is overriding need for an independent special prosecutor precisely because all of these political headwinds are going to hit whoever does this investigation, and it better be someone who is independent and is not investigating his own boss as mr. rosenstein would do, if he were the one doing the investigation. >> senator richard blumenthal of connecticut, senator, thank you for your time this afternoon. >> thank you so much. thank you. trumpcare versus obamacare. how different are they, and what would the new plan mean for you? we'll take a deep dive on that, and roughly 15 minutes or so from now, sean spicer set to take that podium there in the white house briefing room. you see the screens that have become commonplace for reporters to appear via skype. there was also a small table next to the podium.
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say. lot of times say they're lower 25% they can't afford private. >> universal health care. >> i'll take care of everybody. >> we begin by repealing the awful taxes, the mandate penalties and subsidies in obamacare. >> when all is said and done will the republican health care plan cover more americans or less americans than obamacare? >> we really think it will cover more. >> after years of railing against obamacare, we now have the republican's plan. so what might it mean for you? let's bring in ali velshi to break it down for us. what's in the new plan, sir? >> i'll tell you what is in it and out of it. i'll try to make this as simple as possible. there are tax credits now to pay for insurance instead of the mandate. there's been an expansion of health savings accounts and flexible spending accounts. i'll show you about that in a second. there are very big changes come to federal medicaid payments. this is going to affect the poorest americans, and the elimination of planned parenthood funding largely
because of planned parenthood's relationship with abortion. tax credits everybody gets a tax credit whether or not you earn income or you don't, they are going to be based on your age, not your income. so a 20-year-old $2,000 tax credit per year, that can probably get you a good piece of insurance. 60-year-old will get $4,000, nd me a 60-year-old who can buy an insurance policy other than catastrophic care for 4,000 bucks. these tax ritz will be reduced as you go higher up the income scale. individuals making $75,000 or more will start to see them going down, couples making $150,000 or more. health savings accounts and flexible spending accounts are going to get a bit of a boost. this tends to favor people who have that extra money that they can save. tends to not be so good for poor people but they will double the allowed contribution starting in 2018. so an individual will be putting 6,500 bucks in, a family can put 13,100. this is what replaces the mandate, a 30% penalty or
premium on top of your health insurance premium if you let coverage lapse. if you don't buy new coverage because ir'not feeling very flush or don't think you're going to get sick and try to buy it again, 30% more expensive. that's meant to have people stay in insurance and make that pool bigger. what's not in there? the employer mandate and individual mandate. no one is forced to buy insurance for themselves or their employees. government subsidies to pay for insurance we're getting refundable tax credits to everyone and selling insurance across state lines was supposed to be in here donald trump tweeted that's going to come in a later phase. here are the losers as we look at it, the elderly, because they're not getting enough of a tax credit, the poor because of those changes to medicaid, and the sick who always get the short end of the stick. winners right now are the young, because they get this great subsidy and generally healthy, wealthy people who are seeing their taxes go down as it relates to health care, and health insurers who are benefiting from this.
so it's complicated, it's meaty but that's what it looks like. >> one of the big questions continues to be can aealth care system remainsustainable, remain solvent perhaps even if there is no penalty? if there's not a requirement to carry insurance? >> president obama didn't want the penalty or the mandate, mitt romney didn't want the penalty or mandate. this is not philosophical. it's mathematical. it's actuarial. you cannot insure people who are high risk without forcing people who are low risk to be in that insurance. anyone who lives in coastal america and has to buy a wind or a flood policy knows how this works. think about this as a wind or flood policy. this is very hard to sustain it without forcing people to be in it. >> ali velshi our numbers guy, always good to have you. >> my pleasure. republicans divided. now that we know the details of their plan to replace obamacare will gop leaders get the party united behind it? and can they sell it to the american people? we are still waiting for sean
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additional wave of threats to jewish community centers and anti-defamation league offices. according to some reports over 100 bombing threats phoned in to jewish institutions since the start of this year alone lp. as the president said at the beginning "we're a country that stands you nighted in condemning hate and ooefl in all its forms. we denounce this. it is saddening i have to continue to share these disturbing reports with you and i share the president's thoughts he hopes we don't have to continue to share these reports with you but as long as they do condemn the and look at ways we can stop them. on to the news of the day you saw president trump continue to deliver on two of his most significant campaign promises, protecting the country against radical islamic terrorism and repealing and replacing obamacare with a patient-centric
alternative. we talked about the executive order protecting the nation from foreign terrorist entry into the you state yesterday and on to, i introduce tom price to talk about the plan to repeal and replace obamacare. dr. price. >> good afternoon. first let me just share what an honor it is to share with the secretary of human and health services. i'm the third of 23 who had the privilege of serving and the mission at our department is to improve the health and safety and well-being of the american people and we take that mission very, very seriously. for many americans right now, their ability to gain health care or health coverage is a real challenge. for most americans they receive their health coverage through their employer, it's about 175 million folks, those individuals will see no significant change
other than there won't be a penalty for not purchasing coverage. for the folks in the medicare system there will be no changes at all in the current law. but we're talking about those people in the individual and small group market, the moms and pops, the folks who run the corner grocery store, the corner cleaners, those individuals out there are having huge challenges gaining care and gaining coverage, and medicaid is a program that by and large has decreased the ability for folks to gain access to care and we want to make certain we address that. this is about patience. this is n aboutmoney. this is not about something this is about patience, and sadly, the costs are going up for those folks and the individual in small group market, the access is going down and only getting worse. you know the stories. premiums increased 25% over the last year on average. arizona had an increase of 116%. deductibles are going up for many, many folks, if you're a mom or a dad out there, and you
make $40,000, 50,000, 60,000 your deductible oftentimes is 8,000, 10,000, 12,000 a year. what that means is that you've got an insurance card but you don't get care, because you can't afford the deductible, and we know this is happening by talking to the folks out there trying to provide the care. third of the counties in the united states, one-third of the counties in the united states have only one insurer offering coverage on the exchange. five states only have one insurer offering coverage on the exchange. one insurer is not a choice. so we need to make certain we correct that. in tennessee this morning, it was announced that there are a number of counties that have no insurer offering coverage on the exchange. insurers are leaving the market on the exchange. last year there were 232 insurers that were providing coverage, offering coverage on the exchange. now there are 167. that's a loss of about 30% in one year alone. and all of this means that patients are not getting the care that they need.
now the principles we have as our guiding star are affordability. we want a system that's affordable for everybody, accessibility, a system of the highest quality, a system that incentivizes innovation in a health care system and a system that empowers patients through transparency and accountability. the president spoke last tuesday to a joint session of congress and laid out h principles. first wanted to make certain those with preexisting illness and injury were not priced out of the market. nobody ought to lose their coverage because they get a bad diagnosis. in terms of affordability, health savings accounts growing choices for patients is incredibly important. tax credits that allow individuals to be able to purchase the kind of coverage that they want, not that the government forces them to buy, we've always talked about in terms of what kinds of reforms need to be put in place that they need to equalize the tax treatment for the purchase of coverage. those again in the employer sponsored market they get a tax
benefit for buying health coverage. those folks that are out there in the individual small group market know tax benefit and that's what this plan would do. state flexibility it's incredibly important that we allow the states to be the ones that are defining what health coverage, have the flexibility in the medicaid program to be able to respond to their vulnerable population. lawsuit abuse, the president mentioned and it's incredibly important the practice of defensive medicine wastes billions of dollars every single year and we need to address that as well. president talked about a glide path and appropriate transition to this new phase for health care for our country, and that's important as well. so that nobody falls through the cracks. buying insurance across state lines. the. the talked about this on the campaign over and over. american people understand the common sense nature of purchasing across state lines, and it increases competition and we need to make certain that that happens and then addressing the incredible increase in drug
prices. there are three phases of this plan. one is the bill that was introduced last evening in the house of representatives, that's the start of all of this. second are all the regulatory modifications and changes that can be put into place, as you all well know the previous administration used regulations to fairly well. there were 192 specific rules that were put out as they relate to obamacare. over 5,000 letters of guidance and the like, and we are going to go through every single one of those and make certain that if they help patients, then we need to continue them. if they harm patients or increase costs, then obviously they need to be addressed. and then there's other legislation that will need to be addressed that can't be done through the reconciliation process. so the goal of all of this is patient-centered health care for patient and families and doctors making medical decisions and not the federal government. we commend the house for the introduction of the bill yesterday and we look forward to working with all individuals in this process and look forward to a few questions.
>> you're familiar with the conservative groups like the club for growth and heritage action have with rank and file members. what does it say about this legislation that these groups are already out with opposition to it? >> well, i think that this is the beginning of the process, and we look forward to working with them and others to make certain that again we come up with that process that aligns with the principles that we've defined, that they actually adhere to or agree with as well and that is that we need a system that's affordable for folks, a system that's accessible for individuals, that's of the highest quality, that incentivizes innovation, and that empowers patients and so we look forward to working with them through this process. >> reporter: secretary, americans had to foregoe a new iphone to pay for health care and have to make these choices. does the administration agree with that? will americans under this plan, will they need to make sacrifice other goods to pay for their health care? >> this is an important
question. what's happening right now is that the american people are having to sacrifice in order to purchase coverage, and as i mentioned many individuals can't afford the kind of coverage that they have right now. so they'veot that insurance card, but they don't have care. what our desire is to drive down the health care costs for everybody and the way that you do that is to increase choices for folks, increase competition, return the regulation of health care, where it ought to be, which is at the state level, not at the federal level. all of these things that take it in their aggregate will decrease the cost of health care, and health coverage and that will allow folks to be able to purchase the coverage that they want. yes, sir? >> reporter: thank you, dr. price. two questions for you. first has to do with guarantees that you can make as the administration's point person on this legislation. can you guarantee that whatever legislation emerges it makes it to the president's desk will allow individuals if they like their doctor they can keep their doctor and the second guarantee is can you also guarantee that health care premiums for
individuals will come down with this new legislation? >> again, a remarkably important question, because as you'll recall the promise from if the last administration was if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. both of those promises turned out to be not true. we think it's incredibly important for the american people to be able to select the physician and the place where they're treated in themselves, that the government ought not be involved in that process, and so our goal is to absolutely make certain that individuals have the opportunity to select their physician. in terms of premiums, we believe strongly that through this whole process and as it takes effect, that we'll see a decrease in not only the premiums individuals will see but decrease in the cost of health care for folks. remember there was another promise that the previous administration made that you'd see a decrease in $2500 on average for families across this land. in fact they've seen an increase of $2500 or $3,000. we're going to go in the other
direction, in a direction that empowers patients and holds down costs. >> mr. secretary, you are quite a distance away from conservatives with this plan and the central part of it, which is tax credits. they see as yet another entitlement, very similar to the entitlement of obamacare but different in form. how do you convince them, since it's going to take tax credits to make this work, that they need to swallow this and move forward with the bill? an awful lot of opposition in the central tenet of this whole thing. >> this is all about patience, and in order to provide that transition and in order to make it so that nobody falls through the cracks we've got to have a system that allows for individuals to gain the kind of coverage that they want. and we conservatives and others have said for a long time that we believe it's important to equalize the tax treatment for those purchasing coverage, gaining coverage through their employer and those not, and the tax credit is the opportunity to be able to equalize that tax
treatment. folks who talked about this for many years actually, so there's not a distortion in the tax code for who is able to gain a benefit from being able to purchase coverage and not. yes, ma'am? >> mr. secretary, you were talking about making sure people don't fall through the cracks. last administration obamacare focused in on making sure the underserved were part of the equation. what is the safety net or the safe harbors you have to make sure to ensure people don't fall through the cracks beyond the tax incentives but also for the underserved, who are now part of many are part of the program that weren't before prior to. >> this is extremely important as well, and the current system as you likely know for those vulnerable in our population pecially in theedicaid population is a system that's broken. you've got a third of the physicians in this country, one-third of the doctors in this country that would be eligible to see medicaid patients, who aren't seeing medicaid patients
right now. not because they've forgotten how to take care of patients. it's because of the rules in place that make it too difficult for them to see medicaid patients. we believe it's important to allow states to fashion the program for their vulnerable population that actually responds to that population in a way that gives them the authority, them the choices, them the opportunity to gain coverage and the care that they believe most appropriate. >> what did you find out that that is not happening when you goive to the sat? is there some type of punishment or some type of piece that you're going to put in place to make sure that that happens, that they follow through on your intent? >> absolutely. there's accountability throughout the plan that we have, that would allow for the secretary and the department to be certain that the individuals that we believe need to be cared for are being cared for in the state at the appropriate level. but we believe this is a partnership. this is about patience and partnership. the previous administration tended to make it about government. we believe it's about patience and partnership and we want to partner with every single person
in this land who wants to make certain we allow the kind of choices and quality to exist. yes, ma'am? >> the president tweeted earlier today he described this bill as our wonderful new health care bill. there's been a little bit of confusion. does this wonderful new health care bill. there has been confusion. does this represent the administration's bill? and is there anything this bill that the administration cannot support. >> this has been a work in progress. as you know, this has been going on for over a year. the work that i had the privilege of participating in when i served in the house of representatives in the last congress was open and transparent. and we invited folks in to give their ideas. and tens if not hundreds of people had input into that process. this grew out of tt, and over the past number of weeks we have been having conversations with folks on the hill, in the house, and in the senate and other stakeholders. this is a work product that is a result of that, all of that process. the president and the administration support this step
in the right -- in what we believe is in the right direction, a step that reveals obamacare and gets us moving in the direction of those principles that i outlined. >> do you support everything that's in the bill sitting on the table, sir? >> this is a work in progress. we will work with the house and the senate in this process. as you know it is a legislative process that occurs. i'm glad you pointed out the bills on the table there. as you will see this bill right here was the bill that was introduced in 2009 and 10 by the previous administration. notice how thick that is. some of you recall i actually turned the pages and went through that piece of legislation in a you tube. the bill -- the pile on the right is the current bill. what it means is we are making certain that the process, that the decisions that are going to be made are not going to be made by the federal government. they are going to be made by patients and families and doctors. >> given the opposition that has been brought up today, does this plan already need to be salvaged
in your view? how do you do it? >> e no. you know what happens with these things. you start -- you start at a starting point. people engage, and they get involved in the process, sometimes to a greater degree. nothing focuses the mind like a bill that's currently on the table and is a work in progress -- or in process. and we'll work through it. >> this is the starting point here? >> this is an important process to be had. the american people have said to their elected leaders, the obamacare process for them gaing coverage andare is not working. that's what they have said. so we believe it's important to respond to the american people and provide a health care system that allows for them to purchase the kind of coverage and care that they desire. >> you said in your letter to the house chairman that necessary and appropriate and technical changes might need to be made for this bill to reach the president's desk.
what specific changes is the white house and the administration looking for in this bill? >> as i mentioned their three phases to this process. one is this bill, this legislation that's working through under the rules of reconciliation, which is a fancy term to mean that there are only certain things that you can do from a budgetary standpoint, has to affect either spending or revenue. there are things that you can't do in this bill. and those we plan on doing across the horizon in phase two, which is the regulatory portion and then in phase three, which is another piece of legislation that would be going through the house and the senate with a majority -- super majority in the senate. that process will incorporate all of the kinds of things that we believe are absolutely in to reconstitute that individual and small group market and to get us in a position again where patients and families and doctors are making these decisions. >> cvs score isn't out yet, can you guarantee that this plan will not have a marginally negative impact on the deficit
or result in millions of americans losing insurance? >> what i can say the goal and the desire i know of the individuals on the hill is to make sure that this does not increase the cost to the government. >> two elements of the bill, i have questions about how they control costs and how they help with access. the medicaid per capita block grant to the states, how is that sort of fundally different from the obamacare regime on medicaid in terms of expanding access. the second point, why doesn't thisill do away with the cost sharing community ratings version that obamacare has. >> to the per capita cap, the medicaid is a system that doesn't work for patients. you have got folks out there who need care, who need to see particular physician who is aren't able to see them. all americans should be saddened by the situation that we have when there are patients out there that can't get the care that they need. we believe one of the keys to
providing appropriate care in the medicaid population is allowing the states to have the flexibility to address that medicaid population. remember, medicaid population is four different demographic groups. it's those who are disabled. it's those who are srd. it's healthy moms and kids by and large. those are the four main demographic groups. and we the federal government force states mostly to take care of those individuals in exactly the same way. if you describe that to the folks back home on main street they say that doesn't make sense at all. you need a program that's different for the healthy moms and kids to respond to their needs to that's different from the folks who are disabled and seniors. what we believe is appropriate is to say to the states you know your population best, know best how to care for your vulnerable population. we are going to watch you and make certain that you do so, but know how you do that. that will decrease costs markedly in the medicaid program. we are wasting significant amounts of money.
not that folks are getting too much care. we're wasting out because it's significant abuse in the system and it's insignificant. cost sharing measures are being addressed. it's important we run through that process. thises the process wheree felt the previous administration was spending money they didn'have the authority to spend. and congress is working through that to make certain that the rightful holders of the authority to spend money in this nation, which is the congress of the united states, exercises that authority. >> mr. secretary -- >> how does the white house and you feel about the label, trump care? >> i'll let others provide a description for it. i prefer the call it patient care. this is about patients at the end of the day. this isn't about politicians. this isn't about insurance companies. this is about patients. and patients in this nation, especially those in the individual and small group market. these are the folks. i had the privilege of going to cincinnati last week with the vice president to a small business round table. and one of the business owners, one of the small business owners there said he had 18 employees
last year at this time. this year he has 15 employees because of the cost of health coverage for those individuals forced him, forced him to let three people go. now, they are being forced to let three people go because the federal government has put in place rules and regulations that make it virtually impossible for folks in the individual and small group market to provide coverage for their employees. this is a system that's not working for people. so if you -- if we focus on the patients -- i'll call it patient care. if you focus on the patients, we'll get to the right answer. >> a major complaint of concern -- sorry. a major complaint of conservatives with phase one of the obamacare repeal and replace is that it is missing a measure that would allow health care to be sold across state lines. now, the president said this morning that that would be in either phase two or phase three. is that something that you believe the president could do through executive action or you
yourself to do or is that something that needs to be addressed legislatively. >> there are different aspects across state lines that will allow patients the care they want. some of it might be done from a regulatory or rules standpoint. some of it might require legislation. that's where we are going to need assistance from our friends on the other side of the aisle. american people have demanded that they be able to to purchase across state lines. whether it's through association health plans who allows individuals in small business groups to pool together nationally to be able to purchase coverage or whether it's mom and dad who don't gain coverage through their employer that allows folks to pool together solely for the purpose of purchasing coverage even though they are not economically align. there are 18 million folks in
that individual and small business government. that would give them the purchasing power of millions. that's huge four and authority that we want to put into the hands of people, of patients. some of that may in fact require legislation. yes, sir. >> mr. secretary, thank you. two questions. first, congressman john faso of new york has said that the issue of denying federal funds to planned parenthood should be separate from whatever health care bill finally emerges from congress and is signed into law by the president. is that the administration's position as well? and my second question is this, you mentioned earlier the people who had their health care plans canceled when they thought they could keep it. i believe in your state of georgia more unanimous a million people had that experience. will some of the plans that were canceled be able to come back under the new health care plan? >> yeah, in terms of planned parenthood, we think it's important that t legislature
everybody. >> what more can you tell us about this? you were given this information or permission by the senator or by his family in order to broadcast this? >> yes, they -- with his permission, i spoke to the doctors they ask that i talk to the doctors get the information about what happened. we know that on friday morning he went to the doctor's basically for a scheduled annual physical exam. he was complaining a bit of fatigue and said he's been feeling tired over the last few months. he also had a bout of double vision. but because of those things his doctors decided to order a cat scan of his brain. this is all friday this happened. it was that cat scan and an a subsequent mri scan of the vain that revealed this abnormality. it was concerning enough that urgently, within the next couple of hours, the doctors took him to the operating room, they per
performed the incision in the left eyebrow area, removed some intone they believed they removed the entire tumor they could see from the area of the left front of his brain. this is a glee owe blas toe ma. it's the same type of tumor that senator kennedy had, that bo biden had. it is an aggressive type of brain cancer. so senator mccain and his family are dealing with the news and trying to decide the next steps in terms of treatment. he is at home, he was able to go home the next day after surgery. he had a rapid recovery. the doctors told me after he woke up from the anesthesia, he was alert, sharp, able to tell you what year it was. he was making jokes with the recovery room staff. but again it takes a few days for these diagnoses to come back because the pathologist has to review it and this is what they found. >> what are the potential next
steps? >> well, this is one of those types of tumors that is -- it doesn't have a particular cure. there's not a type of treatment you can say is going to likely lead to cure. the types of treatments typically are a combination of che che chemo therapy and radiation to his brain. this is a discussion i'm sure senator mccain and his family are going to have with doctors as how to proceed and when to proceed. just recovering from this operation can take a couple weeks, but to begin this therapy, radiation, chemotherapy. they have to wait three to four weeks until after the operation. he had the operation in arizona, at the mayo clinic there. >> this is a dumb question, but is this a tumor or is it more than that? >> this is a tumor. it is a type of brain tumor. it's a tumor that comes from the
brain as opposed to types of tumors that come from somewhere else in the body and spread to his brain. this started in his brain. people were concerned about the melanoma having spread. but this is not a melanoma. this is a malignant cancer. what that means, you operate on this, it needs to be treated as well with chemotherapy and radiation. the concern is it will come back. that's the big concern with these type of tumors. in order to try to give him the best chance at that, it is likely he'll undergo further treatments in the next several weeks. >> i want you to stay with us. david axle rod is also joining us and gloer ya borjer. this is very devastating news for senator mccain and his family. very tough news to hear for everybody. he was first elected to the
senate in 1986, more than 30 years ago. for the impact he has had, and continues to have, on the senate is not to be overstated. >> it's remarkable and don't forget he ran for the presidency twice and he told me he once came in second place, which wasn't good enough. you know, john mccain is a fighter. i think we all know that, all of us tonight. and, you know, this is a man who survived fire on the forest, shot out of a plane, would you say tortured, five years in a pow camp, melanoma. we've been talking to folks close to mccain. he's been on the phone talking about his statements on health care and continuing to work. if i know john mccain he's going to want to get back to work as soon as possible and want to continue to do what he does best, which is represent the people of arizona. and be the lion that he is in
the united states senate. >> you covered capitol hill for a long time, talk about the influence senator mccain has there and within the republican party. i interviewed him a number of times, he has a great sense of humor and is engaged in not just domestic issues but international. >> the only people who can call people little jerks and mean that as a term of indeerment, which he does. there is nobody who is the kind of fighter that john mccain is, never mind all the things he went through in vie yet nam, the melanoma he had in 2000, but that he's going constantly. warp speed always. you mention it had impact he had in the senate, a huge impact. but he has a huge impact
globally. just this year alone, anderson, 75,000 miles to 15 nations across three continents he logged. i was talking to chris coons who went back to vietnam with john mccain and talked about the fact that chris coons, who's about 30 years younger than john mccain. he had to change his own schedule because he couldn't keep up with mccain. and the way he said mccain is revered by leaders across the country, even especially in vietnam, which was really interesting. b but covering mccain in the senate and i covered his presidential campaign in 2008 from start to finish. he has a fighter pilot's mentally which is you keep going and keep going. you don't look back, you don't
think about regrets, because we all have them. but you keep going. that is his m.o.. there's no question knowing him and the way he likes to fight and he's probably also telling his joke that is he told on the campaign trail, in the words of chairman mow, it's always darkest before it's black. >> anybody who can survive what he did with his brothers in arms -- he spent years there under excruciating conditions. he is a fighter and he also in so many ways he's one of those politicians that transcends party lines. >> he does. i spent an hour with him the initial ax files on cnn with john mccain. and to hear him tell the story of his captivity and those very dismal years but the strength he
drew from that experience and the lessons he drew from that experience was incredibly moving. yes, he's one of those people who has over the last 30 years found a way to work across party lines on issues like immigration reform, climate change. it didn't always make him popular with the base of the republican party. but even on the health care issues, as he was waiting for this diagnosis, he was issuing statements on bipartisan health care. i think that's who john mccain is. when i sat here listening to you and sanjay read that news, discuss that news, i thought of his friend ted kennedy, who eight years ago -- eight or nine years ago got a diagnosis like this and continued to fight through it, worked through it. but two those worked together on many, many issues. and, in fact, john mccain spoke at ted kennedy's memorial
service. there aren't that many giants left in the united states senate. john mccain is a giant. >> we certainly wish him and his family the best tonight. i know there are a lot of people across the country and people he's met all around the world who are saying a prayer for him. so thank you all. in other words the president weighs in on his attorney general. he said to the new york times, you'll hear it all next. and while we make more e-commerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country, we never forget... that your business is our business the united states postal service. priority: you choicehotels.com. badda book. that's it?. he means book direct at choicehotels.com for the lowest price on our rooms guaranteed. plus earn free nights and instant rewards at check-in. yeah. like i said. book now at choicehotels.com
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yet at what is on the president's mind, the russian probe the man in charnl of it had to recuse himself. the president spoke to the new york times. the headline only hints at how much news he made. he expresses anger with comey and sessions and mueller. >> this interview is something. i want to start with what he told you about attorney general sessions. what did he say? >> he was clearly frustrated with jeff sessions he said that he would not have appointed him if he had known that he would recuse himself from anything russia related. he would have appointed somebody else. we know that donald trump has been angry with jeff sessions for quite some time, but it was a pretty remarkable statement for him to make on the record, for him to vent his ooire that y and make clear that he considers what jeff sessions did, which was a recusal because he was concerned about a conflict to be
praum problematic he faulted sessions for turning an easy question into a hard one at the senate confirmation hearing. it's a sentiment a fair number of critics agree with. >> he also said that if sessions hadn't recused himself there wouldn't have ended up being a special counsel, is that right. >> he did. a couple weeks ago the president's anger with sessions was really at the root of what he was saying had to do with other issues. he believed if sessions had not recused himself from russian there would be no rod rosenstein stepping up, no special counsel appointed. it is all the original sin from there. he was less about mueller but he was clear that he believed mueller had a number of conflict of interest one of which trump aides talked about for quite some time was that they say that
bob mueller interviewed as interim fbi director the by the way day before he was appointed special counsel. they consider that a mitigating factor to put it mildly. the president refused to say what he would consider a violation of the charge on the part of bob mueller. he wouldn't answer it. but he believes mueller's charge is on russia and he doesn't believe he's under investigation. >> he doesn't believe he is personally under investigation by bob mueller. >> that's what he said. >> he also had choice words for former fbi director james comey. >> he did. he said any number of choice words about james comey for some time. but he was very specific that he, you know, believed that comey was trying to essentially get leverage over him with that dossier, making all sorts of wild allegations about president trump and his appearance in russia in 2013.
you know, he -- as we know, he was not happy with comey for quite some time, long before he actually fired him. there had been some belief that he might fire him immediately upon taking office. but i will say his frustration was less trained on comey than on sessions today. >> the allegation against comey, this goes back to the meeting when u.s. intelligence officials at the time briefed then president elect trump in trump tower and as comey has testified, comey pulled him aside after the meeting and told him about the existence of this dossier or two-page summary of thises dossier, the president saying he believes comey did that to get leverage to keep his job. >> essentially comey wanted to keep his job and that was the point in showing it to him. again, the president feels sort of vindicated as i think you have seen him say publically,
that comey had to acknowledge under oath that he had told the president three times he was under investigation, he said he would not say that publically because it might change. the president doesn't accept that as an answer and was very frustrated that comey wouldn't say it publically. again, i think his frustration with the dossier continues and this was a piece of that. >> the white house went after cnn and others who reported that comey had briefed the president about the existence of the dossier and the two-panl summary of the dossier. i remember having a conversation with kellyanne conway where they seemed not to know it happened or denied it had happened. so the president is confirming, as has been confirmed already, that it did occur. it's fascinating to hear his perspective why that briefing took place with comey he thinks.
and the second conversation with putin he said it lasted only 15 minutes. >> i have to go back and check the transcript what was said -- >> i just raid ead it he said 1 minutes because we have other sources that were there that said about an hour. >> he was adamant with that time frame, which was consistent with what white house officials said yesterday about this second get together. he was not defining it in his mind as an actual meeting. he told a long and elaborate story about sitting next to japan's prime minister's wife. he got up to see his own wife next to putin. they started talking. he did say the topic of russian adoption came up when he was talking to putin at the newer meeting. the topic of russian adoption, as you recall, was supposedly part of the subject of this meeting that the president's son, don junior had with the
russian lawyer on june 9, 2016, one that was ultimately billed as dirt against hillary clinton. so it was surprising that came up, i have no reason to believe that it was anything other than coincidence. but the adoption relates to sanctions. >> it sounds like he didn't mention it, it be sounds like putin mentioned it. so if putin mentioned it, they're talking about sanctions. >> that was my read, but i don't want to get ahead of what the president said in his remarks. >> how does his demeanor seem? >> incredibly upbeat. when i contrast him on air force one last week and today with some of what we saw earlier in the administration, for whatever reason, he seems to be in a pretty good place. >> fascinating reporting as always. thank you. >> thank you. >> one other notable item from
the interview, asked if mr. mueller's investigation would cross a red line if it looked at his family's finances. he said, i would say yes. he was asked what he would do, he said listen this is about russia. your panel is back. gloria, have you ever heard of a time when the president of the united states says such things about the attorney general, who he appointed, an oig who wttorn who was one of his earliest supporters, campaigned for him? >> no, his earliest supporter somebody who was with him every step of the way and i think what you heard in hearing maggie and in reading this remarkable piece in the new york times is that this is a president who's very angry at a lot of people who work for him, i made a list,
jeff sessions, comey who used to work for him, andrew mccain, rod rosenstein, and of course special counsel mueller who he is not directly threatening but saying you have a lot of conflicts out there. so this is a list of. vegrieve enss. even though he was upbeat in mood, you could hear the grievance in the new york times piece. >> i talk to people who talk regularly with the president for months and we were told this is something he will not let go for months, his anger and ire at jeff sessions for recusing himself. if you remember, go back to his tweet, one of the first tweets he sent that got him as n big trouble as president it was the saturday morning after jeff sessions recused himself where
the president tweeted that president obama was tapping trump tower. it was donald trump lashing out in furry, you know, maybe pointing his anger in the wrong direction, but that was where all of that came from. from jeff sessions recusing himself. and since then, as the president himself has now said in public on the record to the new york times. so many bad things for him have stemmed from that recusal. having said all that it's one thing to hear about private conversations the president has about his attorney general and how upset he is, it's another thing to throe jeff sessions under the bus and then put it in reverse and come back and do it again in the new york times. this isn't a former attorney general. this is a sitting oig. the person who he put in charge. and as i you said anderson, a guy who went out on a very big
limb to endorse president trump. and that gave him credibility with the republican base in the campaign. >> does this mean that sessions needs to resign or something? >> i don't think so. donald trump operates by his own rules. jeff sessions is the attorney general. i'm going to see on friday -- he's going to be giving a talk in philadelphia. he will continue pushing for longer prison sentences for more civil forfeiture, it's a bizarre situation, there's no doubt about that. but he is still the attorney general, he will continue to do what he's doing, advancing an agenda, which is basically donald trump's agenda but just under this weird cloud. i don't think he has to resign. >> if he had any dignity he would. i think he should resign. first of all, i'd have to talk to maggie, i don't think it's in the report, but was this unsew listed? was it in response to a question. >> he may have been asked about something. >> i think to his point, why
give this interview today of all days where health care is obviously the thing -- this is right after the lunch with the senators about health care. >> that's the other thing. nobody stands up to donald trump. we had him humiliate senator helder at that lunch and then he does this. i'd love to see jeff sessions walk away at this point and -- on principle walk away. >> what's the the principle? >> i think -- go ahead. >> i think -- i think one of the reasons he went after jeff sessions is he blames jeff sessions for the rabbit hole of the russia investigation as he sees it. >> he said jeff sessions's led to the special counsel. >> he said jeff sessions is the one person who actually did the right thing. what jeff sessions did in that moment was honorable. >> but if you look at it -- i agree with you, but if you look at it from the president's point of view, the point he made to the times is okay if you wanted
to recuse yourself and you knew all along that you couldn't deal with russia, tell me before i made you attorney general. >> he thinks that jeff sessions works for him. >> exactly. i agree with you. but i'm telling you -- i'm channelling the president here as hard as that is, but that's his point of view. >> that's right. e he thinks everybody works for him. the presidency, the white house is about him. he doesn't care about health care he can have a nice lunch and elbow some people in the ribs he doesn't care about the agenda that jeff sessions is implementing as the head of the department of justice, he views him as his personal lawyer and he's not doing his job. he doesn't see the mueller investigation as an independent investigation. he wants mueller to know he retains the right to get rid of him if he cross it is line. say what you will about donald trump you know what's on his mind. he doesn't sugar coat it. it's clear. >> he approaches its like a job interview. if you knew before you took the
job you were going to recuse yourself, you should have told me before i gave you the job. >> that's right. and, you know, there is a corner of what trump says that makes a certain amount of sense. what really led sessions to recuse himself is that convoluted and false answer he gave -- >> which the president criticized him. >> -- to al frank from minnesota. he which he denied meeting any russians. which put sessions under the russia investigation, which meant he did have to recuse himself. there's no doubt that sessions made the right choice, the ethical choice in recusing himself. but that led to the mueller investigation, which is plaguing donald trump. >> he was on the campaign. he was a surrogate for donald trump. so even had that not happened, he probably still should have recused himself from this case. i think jeff sessions in that
case did the right thing and that's what he's being attacked for. >> it's also interesting that he's accusing former fbi director comey basically trying to leverage the dossier to try and keep his job. do we have any evidence to suggest this actually happened, beside the president leveling this accusation? >> no, we don't. >> because comey testified about this, explaining why he felt he should give the information to the president. that he worried that -- if my memory serves me correct, that down the road the president finds out about it and he thinks they kept it from him, that wouldn't be fair. >> that's right. and that's what i was thinking about when you were asking me that question, james comey's tom this issue and the question of why he decided to pull the president-elect aside because he wasn't yet the president, when they briefed him in trump tower and give him this information and the fact that that -- that
the president's -- then president-elect's reaction was so unbelievable that he had to run down to his car, pull out his laptop and write it in a way that he could remember and retain the contemporaneous notes but do it in a way that wasn't classified. there's no question about that. >> if memory serves me, and i might be wrong about that, but it was a decision by all the intelligence heads that comey would be the one to do this. >> right. >> i'm not sure it was comey saying i want to be the one to do it because maybe this will give me leverage. >> that's true. now at the time the intelligence heads the others were obama appointees because he wasn't president. maybe it made sense because he was the guy staying on because he had a ten-year term. comey sin insists he did it for the right reasons. he felt if this was out there he wants the president to have a heads up about it, not because he was warning the president if
he fires james comey it's going to get out there. it doesn't really make a whole lot of sense, but having said that i think taip take a step back. this comey story, the jeff sessions story and more recently mueller. you have such a sense in this interview about where the president's mind is. he is obsessing about these things. some of the things that he can't change that happened before, you know, really many months ago with comey, a guy he already fired. about feeling betrayed by his current attorney general and not having control over the current special prosecutor. and what are we talking about now we're talking about russia and we're doing it because it is the president of the united states who just blew a whole tank of oxygen into the story. >> you also get the sense this is a president who believes that everybody is out to get him. and talking about mueller, look he interviewed for fbi director.
you know, i didn't give him that job now he has this and democrats working for him. rod rosenstein comes from maryland everybody knows there aren't a lot of republicans in maryland. andrew mccabe's wife gave money to the democrat policy. so it's not about mueller's qualifications or rod rosenstein's qualifications. it's about where he sees them on the spectrum and it's black and white, they're either with me or against me. >> and we should say maggie said he seemed upbeat, when we talk about obsessing and stuff, according to to maggie he seems in a good head space. >> that was the report that i got from several republicans who were in the health care meeting that he had with all republican senators. that he was jovial, that he tweaked senators like rand paul stop going after republicans on
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presidential meeting with vladimir putin they made no effort to actually disclose. first we have breaking news on the three participants on the other undisclosed meeting. the one at trump tower last year billed as an attempt to get dirt on hillary clinton. we learned that donald trump jr., paul manafort, and jirk have dates to testify on capitol hill. >> they've been called before the senate judiciary committee that's been scheduled on wednesday however paul manafort's spokesperson has confirmed he's been invited. we haven't heard from donald trump jr.'s representatives. but senators expect both men to appear. >> the testimony by donald trump jr. as well as paul manafort that will be in public. >> it will be in public. if they both appear as requested it will be the first time senators will be able to drill
into them on details about the june 2016 meeting that was set up on behalf of the oligarch. the russia american lobbyist so a lot of questions that could come from the senators if don junior and paul manafort do, in fact, appear. >> they wouldn't be at the same time, i would assume one would be after the other. >> we have two different sessions they're scheduled to appear in the second session to presumably they would be one right after the other and not at the same time. >> jared kushner also testifying next week before another committee, is that public? what do we know. >> that is definite. he will be appearing on monday. it's a closed session before the snal senate intelligence committee. the questions although we won't see it play out in public. it will likely include what he knew about the meeting at trump tower and senators will probably drilled into why jared kushner has amended his security form at
least twice now. to disclose meetings with the russian ambassador, the chairman of the bank and the june 2016 meeting. so a lot of questions there, but that one while it's definite it will playout behind closed doors when jared kushner goes before the senate intelligence committee. >> thanks for that. the white house gave another one of their no cameras allowed press briefings today. they used some of it to talk about the president's previously revealed meeting with vladimir putin. it seems silly, said sarah huckabee-sanders, that we would disclose a dinner that he was already participating in. keep in mind the dinner isn't the issue, that was known. the meeting was not and the white house made it no effort to make it known. it's one in a string of previously unknown contacts big and small and people in donald trump's circle and russias. the undisclosed meeting with
jeff sessions, michael flynn, it goes on. we're focussing tonight on the latest. it's important to point out this is what presidents do, meet with foreign leaders however after wards they do not conceal the meeting while pretending there's nothing unusual about concealing it. what's also not normal is the time of the meeting. not even another interpret orwas present. >> putting the quote from sarah huckabee-sanders in context because it's a bold claim to make. >> it's a bold claim to make but in line with what the white house was doing all day. saying this was a normal meeting, something that was not a surprise. the reality is the white house only disclosed this last night, 11 days after the meeting because it had already leaked out. it was not a normal meeting. they were having a dinner but the fact that the president was there having dinner sitsing next
to the japanese prime minister. that's why the translator only spoke japanese. he was not intended to speak with the russian president that evening. they spoke earlier in the day for some two hours and 15 minutes. all eyes were on that meeting but it seems they had more to talk about. but this is what sarah huckabee-sanders said at the press briefing. >> they had a conversation, i'm not going to get into the conversation. again this was a social dinner where the president spoke with many world leaders as is the purpose. i think it would be awkward for them to all sit at a dinner and not speak to each other. i would imagine all of you would agree with that. it seems silly we would disclose a dinner that he tha we had announced to you as participating in. >> yes, we knew he was at dinner with the other world leaders at the g20 summit but it was the fact he had a separate
conversation that drew the attention of other world leaders that they were spending time together at the exclusion of other allies, but the white house would not say what they talked about during the meeting. >> president trump revealed more about what he said was in the meeting with president putin and put forth a new time line, basically saying it was much shorter. >> right he said the meeting was some 15 minutes or so to the new york times. i asked last night, a top administration official if the meeting was an hour long because that's what the people were saying that broke this story. and they said nearly an hour. the president saying 15 minutes. we know they stayed at that venn knew until midnight, long after it was scheduled. so i'm not sure the 15 minutes is accurate. we've seen story after story not necessarily the real story. the white house would not tell us today the length of the meet meting we asked sarah
huckabee-sanders about that, she would not say how long it was or what they talked about. the reason it makes a difference is because there is no u.s. record of what happened at the meeting and a translator was only by the russian government. it's highly extraordinary, unusual to have a conversation like that between adversaries without having at least a translator from your own government there to make sure things aren't mixed up, confused and that was not the case. >> appreciate the update. joining us now is ian bremer and thomas pickering. rey ian the white house released an official statement calling this a brief conversation minutes after that an unnamed senior white house official told jeff zelenys after close to an hour. you have sources inside the room, do you know how long this was? >> yeah look the reason i found out about it is because a number
of the 2: g20 allies were unnerved by the fact that trump's best meeting and best chemistry, clearly closest relationship among all these countries is with putin. it was the fact it was in front of all these people, it wasn't by himself. he's putting on display this very engaged, e ner jet ik, one hour conversation that apparently the senior white house official also confirmed to you, trump saying 15 minutes is unfortunately just not credible as we've seen on so many of these issues on the u.s. russia discussion. >> in terms of other details, where in the room was it? other people were around -- other world leaders were around watching this you said? >> yes, there were a lot of empty seats because a number of the leaders and spouses didn't actually come. so as a consequence, true doe's wife was seated by hergs with
empty seats on either side. i believe there was an empty seat near putin. so trump gets up leaves the japanese prime minister, the meal is 3 1/2 hours long. trump goes over to putin, my understanding it was at the table or right next to it and started engaging in this conversation, which now he hear is about adoption, read sanctions, and frankly, who knows what else. >> ambassador, when you hear the details, there's a big difference between a 15-minute meeting in which pleasantries can be exchanged and a discussion of nearly an hour. do you see a difference in that? do you believe there is? >> i do anderson. i think it's self-evident p. i think ian made it very clear. my sense is a conversation that long is probably half interpretation time and half statements on each side. that's still a half hour. a half hour is long time in international conversation. and talking about critical
subjects can consume a half an hour very easily. i think we're now seeing some of the results of that. i understand that the syrian rebels are no longer going to be supported by the united states. one wonders where that came from and how it fit in either to that context or perhaps other things that one way or another are part of the u.s./russian dialogue. i think it's important not to, in fact, let the message here be the problem so much as understanding that it is important for putin and trump to talk, were there allied jealousies and it was unwise to do this in front of allies, but allied je lieied je low sis asi, they've been in a deep hole. if putin and trump can dig us out in a serious way, fine. but it doesn't look like we have
the great deal maker at work here if, in fact, we're ceasing something that was in our interest and in our way of dealing with the syrian problem was to support the opposition to assad, who we would like to see gone. so those are important pieces to look at. i think we don't know, we'll perhaps find out, we perhaps won't find out if there's no u.s. record. >> it's interesting that president trump telling maggie haberman that the issues of adoption came up, obviously on the russian -- he was saying it came up, i'm not sure if he means he brought it up or putin brought it up. if putin did, adoption for russia means sanctions. >> clearly putin has been talking about the need to remove the sanctions for some time. another interesting point to the very appropriate one tom just brought up. is the russians have given the
americans an ultimatum, they want these properties back and they're not do going to engage in a deal for them. and in the last few days we hear they're close with the trump administration to get these properties back. again, is there a qid for that quo. was this discussed between trump and putin privately. the russians were the only ones with a read out of that conversation. i think all of that is problematic for the united states and russia. i think one of my big concerns is that trump gets played here. he doesn't have his national security advisor or team he doesn't have any expertise on this issue. in the same way when he was in saudi arabia, we saw the saudis and others hosting him very well and saying you're a great guy and saying the evil irans and qatar supporting them and then we have a move against qatar and
our allies and then tillerson and matson have to clean it up. to what extent is trump operating by himself going to give away the store. that's the concern here. >> i think people listening to this those people who like president trump say what's the big deal, he should talk to president putin. others who don't like president trump would have concern. have you heard about this happening before where there's not someone with the u.s. president or there was no talking points. >> i don't know if there were talking points or not. i think what is unusual is not to have one interpret tor from the u.s. side. it may have been it was unplanned and he had the japanese speaking interpret tor, and he thought had had to go and do some business. it was unwise if there were any difference in interpretations,
two russians will agree and he will be out there alone. i don't think putin wants to in a sense publically nail him to the wall in a set of verbal arguments at the time, it's not in putin's interest especially if he's doing well. it is extremely unusual to do that. i do know that in the oval office there are often meetings with heads of state in which part of the meeting is a group meeting and part of the meeting is a one-on-one with interpr interpretors if that's necessary. that's to settle carefully prepared business worked up in advance and very much part and parcel of a government clearance process in which they say mr. president we recommend you do this, i agree, or i'm going to do something else go prepare that for me. but unprepared and at this stage unverifiable. it has its dangers and one needs
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meeting, still taking place at this late hour on capitol hill. you had moderates like lisa murkowski and conservatives like ted cruz. their goal would be to find a way around this impasse that divides the moderate and conservative wings of the party to move forward with a bill that would repeal and replace obamacare at the same time. the white house is involved, as well. we saw reince priebus walk in not too long ago. even though this meeting looks good and we got a lot of happy talk today out of senators and the white house, aides are cautioning us that these fundamental problems that exist still exist and they are a long way away from cutting a deal. >> the cbo report saying that 32 million fewer people would have health care coverage, explain more about what the report says. >> reporter: well, the cbo score was devastating to the republicans on a number of levels. you talked about how it will
impact people on insurance. there was a deficit decrease in that report, but the real problem is what it says is going to happen to premium costs. that's long been the argument that repeal would lead to lower premiums. republicans would only argue this is only about the repeal portion and even if they only repeal, they have a plan to replace obamacare within two years, but some of these provisions would take place right away. so even though you heard talk about putting repeal only on the table first, that it's really the desire of almost all republicans to do repeal and replace at the same time. the problem is, they're just having such a hard time coming up with an agreement that everyone can get on board with. >> thank you very much. the white house just weighed in on the whcbo numbers saying it' flawed because it doesn't take into account the president's full plan. the president is blaming democrats for the republican's
failure to get health care reform done. >> the way i looked at it, we have no democrat help. they're obstructionists. that's all they're good at is obstruction. they have no ideas. >> democrats are saying hey, wait, we do have our own plans, including senator joe manchin. senator, the cbo score, premium also double by 2026 and 36 million americans lose their insurance, how much does that change the equation? >> from my point of view it doesn't, saying we're going to save $470 billion. that's a lot of money and we need to be as cost effective as we can. but the 32 million people that are going to lose their health care are going to be much more expensive than than. what happens to them when they go back to the way they were getting health care before? in west virginia, if you don't have health care, you go to the
emergency room. if you're working, you're going to claim worker's comp. so you're using health care at the most expensive level you can. >> that's money taxpayers are paying. >> that's exactly. i had every hospital coming to me saying hey, i gave $10 million, $15 million. people came and couldn't pay. so i know the toll it takes in states. >> over the last 48 hours, president trump talked about repeal and replace, talked about just repealing to let it fail, now back to repeal and replace. what do you make of the president's approach and for you, what is the priority? is it the insurance networks and propping them up? >> i've tried to remind the president and the white house, the president got elected with a tremendous margin in west virginia. those were mostly democrats. these were people upset with the previous administration, who thought they wanted a change and unorthodox. they didn't think they were
electing somebody partisan like it's been before. so i would say to the president, there's a lot of democrats, a lot of people that are going to be hurt. there's not one demographic group in my state that won't be affected. >> a lot of people talk about bipartisanship. i talked to governor kasich yesterday about it. do you believe that's possible? we're talking about washington, d.c., where there's a lot of politics involved and each side has a reason to not cooperate with the other. >> anderson, we have 11 former governors and united states senators right now. four republicans, six democrats and one independent. we started talking informally, nothing formal -- >> former governors in the senate? >> i'm a former governor for west virginia. we have 11 of us, former governors, we're recovering governors because it was the greatest job in the world because we could get things done. but we are used to in our work confinement as a governor of our state, bringing contentious
legislators together, finding a purpose of moving forward, understanding the challenges every state has. we understand that. we think that we can add some clarity to this, and also some bipartisanship. that's what we're working on. so i've said if the governors can't do it, nobody can. >> chuck schumer yesterday said that democrats are open to working with republicans, the door is open. he did seem to put self-preconditions on that cooperation. should there be preconditions on getting democrats to sit at the table? >> the only precondition we need is we're not going to repeal it, and the other precondition we need is we're going to go through a regular order. we're going to sit down and dissect the bill. nibble who has an idea, an amendment that comes before it goes through this process. that's the way legislatures work. that's the way the united states senate should work. we haven't done that for quite some time. that's the only preconditions you should have. anybody else that has an idea should be discussed. >> can republicans who have
today. >> today you can sense the chant coming from the trump people. listen closely and you can pick up a slightly different rhythm right now of don't lock me up, don't lock me up! yesterday it was reported first by the wall street journal that trump's former national security adviser michael flynn, the guy saw there going after hillary, his lauer is looking to get flynn immunity in order to testify about what he knows. according to his lawyer trump's former national security adviser certainly has a story to tell. this morning president trump tweeted that mike flynn should ask for immunity in is that this is a witch hunt an excuse for a big election lost by the democrats and the media of historic proportion. at the meeting today sean spicer conexplained the president was trying to convey his desire to see flynn testify. >> if you actually stop for a second and realize what the president is doing he is saying do whatever to do to go up and make it clear what happened,
take whatever precaution you want or however your legal counsel advises you. >> general flynn's attorney says he has a story to tell. is the white house concerned that the white house has damaging information about the president, his aides, his associates, about what occurred during the campaign with respect to russia? >> nope. >> nope. we'll see. nbc reported today that the senate intelligence committee turned down general flynn's request for immunity. his lawyer was told it was wildly preliminary to discuss such a thing. joining me is the "wall street journal's" carol lee who broke the story of the attempted immunity deal, and howard feynman, an msnbc political analyst. carol, thank you for joining us. what is the king thinking tonight. what is trump worried about for michael flynn? what has he got on him? >> from the white house's perspective, their posture is he doesn't have anything on him. if we step back, we don't know. this is somebody, mike flynn was with the president almost every day during the campaign. >> well he says he has a story to tell.
>> yes. >> what's the -- >> that's another question, we don't know what the story is. michael flynn has his time spent with donald trump and the trump campaign and the transition into the white house. mike flynn has another -- he has had contacts with russia, not just with the ambassador here in washington, but he has been paid tens of thousands of dollars by entities that are arms of the russian government, and he sat at a dinner in december of 2015 with vladimir putin. and so he -- there are a number of stories that he could tell. >> howard, look at this. we've been here before. you see a guy not far down the tree from the president. right there, national security adviser. he knows a lot. the more he is afraid, the more he is going to talk. the more he is looking at 20 years for not disclosing money he got from the russia. not being honest when he was under oath when he was talking to an ambassador about russian
sanctions. he says i'm damn damn not going to prison for this guy, i want to talk. >> first of all, he wants to talk at time when he would be most useful. the committee wants to learn everything it can about what flynn has to say from people other than flynn so they don't have to give him much, if anything. so they are saying wait a minute, wait a minute b. but if you are the attorney for flynn you want to get him in there right away so he gets credit for whatever he says from them. and also you have another reason, which is you want to give yourself what they call in the trade here in washington an immunity bath. you want to cover yourself with as much immunity as the committee is willing to give you. >> not just use, not just what you say, but anything. >> anything. in order the make it more difficult for the feds and the fbi and the justice department to try to prosecute you. those are the twin things going on. >> first of all he filled out financial disclosure forms, what he said to the russians, how much he got what he said to the russians.
what else? what he said to the russian ambassador. >> he spoke with the fbi. if you look at his track record, there has been two thing he was not forthcoming on, obviously, his -- the nature of what the conversations with the russian ambassador were. >> kislyak. >> kislyak, and he did not report being an agent of a foreign government with some of his work he had done with turkey. >> turkey. >> those are two examples. not only that, but going back to when he was a top intelligence official in the government he would have to report certain contacts that he had, there is a whole array. >> let's talk human nature. your paper has been covering chris christie. the other day we saw chris christie's top person, deputy in a government relations person, bridget kelly, the other guy, what's his name? >> i know he got two years in the slammer ahead of him. >> wait a minute, sometimes the guy who work for the guy get in trouble we u.s.a. see it a lot. with scooter libby, dick cheney getting in trouble.
they are the ones that swing and the big guys get away. >> he doesn't want to swain. to get an old refrain from the watergate days the question is what did the president know and when did he know it? when did candidate trump go and when did he know it. >> baroni is the name. >> bill baroniy. >> to me, the most vulnerable thing ises that flynn has is not registering as a foreign agent. >> that's a serious crime. >> >> the lawyer happens to be an expert in that field. they want to protect him on that. >> he wants that bath? >> he wants whatever he can get by way of the battle against the prosecution they have got him on. >> donald trump and michael flynn addressed the issue of immunity in the past let's listen to then candidate trump last september discussing hillary clinton's associates. >> her aides took the fifth amendment, and her ring leaders were given immunity. and if you are not guilty of a crime, what do you need immunity
for? >> how it all comes around. what goes around comes around in d.c. here's that flynn sai on "meet the press" in september. >> five people around her have been given immune to include her former chief of staff. when you are given immune that means you have probably committed a crime. >> he just said -- he just said if you on the wad immunity you probably committed a crime. there he is talking about somebody else. and everybody is hearing him now talking about himself. >> now the white house's position as we've seen them do before is well that was then and this is now and this doesn't mean anything now. >> i have been watching spicer. i think he reached the point of incredibility. did you watch today? were you there. >> yes. >> what did you make of it howard. he was just saying things that -- he was denying all of this. >> i think he's only performing for an audience of one chris. he's not performing for glen thrush or carol or any of the reporters in the room. he's doing his shtick for the
president of the united states. so for sean spicer to get out there and say only only interest is to get to the bottom of this whole thing. >> that's why we want him to testify. >> that's why we want him to testify. everybody in the room isn't taking that seriously but donald trump is presumably back there in the oval office watching him and saying the way to give it to them, sean. >> the better he prosecutes it the more the president likes it. >> until the president decides like a kleenex tsh you sean is done, then he will pull out somebody else to do it. >> more like a pez dispenser. >> sean spicer is trying to do the bidding of the president. it's tough. >> amy klobuchar joins us now. we are chuckling about the irony. not the tragedy. it is a tragedy. we have a president with people around him who are beginning to rat on him and offering themselves up if they will get protection themselves under the law. a bath of immunity is how he phrased it, he is an attorney,
like yourself, senator. what do you think as a former prosecutor? what's going on with trump? how dangerous are his waters right now? >> okay. i was pretty stunned he did this tweet this morning saying first of all that flynn should get the immunity. which they themselves said it was an implicati- i'm not saying it is -- tt a crime was committed. then saying it was a witch hunt. it is a truth hunt. we have to get to the bottom of what happened here. now we have a situation where the president's former national security adviser, literally was just appointed the national security adviser, lies to the vice president and then has to step down. we are now talking about immunity. i think as a prosecutor i can tell you you have got to be really careful with this congressional what is called derivative use immunity, what we saw in the case of oliver north who was convicted of three
felony counts but then they were reversed because it was found that during the congressional investigation the witnesses were so tainted that the conviction, the actual conviction didn't stand up. i know that senator warner and the senator burr and the intelligence committee in the senate is going to be very careful here. and it is just way too early, as adam schiff said today, to be talking about anything like this. and i -- i know they won't be doing anything about it without talking to the justice department if this is an ongoing investigation, as we believe it is. >> senator, let's talk about political irony here. you have not been around here as long as i have, there is an old phrase, what goes around comes around. here are the people that were trucking in the business of saying we are going to put people in jail like it's south korea or pakistan where if you lose an election we put you away. they were talking like that just a few months ago. now we are talking immunity. i want to know what you thought of the phrase lock her up when they were throwing that line out
in cleveland. >> listen, as a former prosecutor and someone who has had to be very careful before you jump to those conclusions, i can't tell you when i had that job for eight years how many times i would say, we are still looking at the evidence. this is what is out there publicly. this is what is in the complaint. you simply can't jump to conclusions like that as a leader. sure you can when you are sitting around a bar talking to your friend. bee when you are a leader and on national television you have an obligation to be careful with those kinds of words and there is some irony in the fact that they are now coming back to haunt them. >> what do you make of the long progression of incidences where there was connections between the trump campaign, his people, from manafort to carter page, to roger stone, himself, all these people, including flynn, having these regular encounters with russians at the time that we were dealing with the sanctions issue, where the republicans were rewriting their platform, including the plank on how we should deal with ukraine in a
far more lean yen manner than ever before, when money was being passed to flynn and people like that. what do you make of the connection? does it look like a two-way connection or just a one-way connection? >> you know, i think this is getting seedier and seedier and seedier. i read that intelligence report, the 17 intelligence agencies, the one that was public. and i thought to myself, this is our united states intelligence agencies saying that this is actually going on and having been in ukraine with john mccain and lindsey graham, having seen the influence of russia and with a they've done, the invasions, the killings of 10,000 people, this isn't just games and some kind of fun little thing of cloak and dagger. this is actually something happening. when you go from manafort, the campaign chair, to the national security adviser, to the fact that he talked to the russian ambassador on the exact same day that president obama announced expanded sanction. and then you have the attorney general of the united states having met with that same
ambassador only three days after president obama and putin met and president obama made clear he wasn't taking away the sanctions -- it's just one person in power after another. and that's why not only is this intelligence investigation important. it's why we have to have an independent commission. and that's something that on january 4th i called for with ben cardin and elijah cummings and adam schiff. the four of us stood together stood together and said yes go on with your investigation but let's hav an independent commission. >> you can't have a bipartisan investigation, can you. >> i called for his recusal. but i do think we want to allow the senate process to continue. both warner and burr did a good job this week. there is no reason at the same time you can have an independent commission. they would be looking at it from a different angle, that's a
panel of experts just like after 9/11 that would be coming forward with ways to prevent this from happening again. this is not just an assault on one candidate, one election, one country, it is really an assault on all democracys. >> we have had problems in our history, joe mccarthy back in the 50s, republicans put him away. in watergate it was democrats and republicans putting him away. when we are bipartisan and work together, this country is so much better off. thank you senator for coming on tonight. there has been a theme by the way in sean spicer's briefing today, at least on questions on russia, flynn, and devin nunes. see if you can pick up on it, watch? i don't know what he knows. >> do you know if that is the case? >> i don't, if i start commenting on every one of these stories, i can't -- that's not our practice. i don't know the answer to that. i don't know the answer to that question. i don't know the answer to that. some of it -- i don't know. i don't know. you should -- i'm not aware of that. >> if you could just find out.
>> you can call the fbi. >> do you have any new information about how the chairman did get onto the campus? >> as i said the last two days i'm not going to discuss that. >> will you release any -- >> respectfully, the counsel's office is working with them. i don't want to get in front of how they go back and forth and make a decision. the white house counsel's office sent that letter. they are the uns ones -- it's not my decision, major. i don't know what they will or won't do going forward and i don't want to prejudge that. >> reminds me of hogan's heros. i don't know. the lovable sherman. it's his job. i don't know nothing. nunes goes there the next day, picks up a pile of christmas presents. the next day goes to the president, here are some presents, i don't know where i t the from, he got them from his crowd the night before. it is a mask raid. >> there are times when sean spicer said he does know, on this very issue, it doesn't make
sense that nunes would come here and go back and then come back here. >> doesn't pass the smell test. >> he keeps getting tripped up on this. it used to be press secretaries would say i'll take the question and get back to you. >> he comes the question and said who let him in the door. and then the next day he says i agreed the take the question, i didn't agree to give you an answer. >> what they are trying is trying to shift the question from what russia did to who leaked what about this. >> i know, it is a sideshow. >> and sean spicer today was desperately trying to quote change the narrative. that's the favorite word in the briefing room it's narrative. it's not answering questions. it's who can construct the narrative. he can do it. he is trying. trying to impress the boss but he is not able to do it. >> the history books will be written with the word russia in them. it's not going to be nunes, who is going to be forgotten, carol lee great reporting. congrats.
>> thank you. >> always good to get the scoop on the front page. howard feynman. coming up, devin nunes attempted a caper to keep secrets from the white house. his sly attempts to take the heat off president trump all seem to be unraveling. don't you think? a member of the house intelligence committee is going to join us after the break with more. apart from college basketball there is real march madness at the white house. everything trump warned us about when he warned us about hillary clinton becoming president is pretty much what is going on right now. the worst case scenario. plus joe biden is back. and he has words for donald trump. here's a hint, it's advice on the president's tweeting habits. let me finish tonight with trump watch. you won't like it. this is hard ball. flonase allergy relief delivers more complete relief. flonase helps block 6 key inflammatory substances that cause all your symptoms, including nasal congestion and itchy, watery eyes. flonase is an allergy nasal spray
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for intelligence was one of the sources and began gathering evidence shortly after president trump's wiretapping tweet. when flynn's replacement tried to oust him, source say president trump saved him his job reportedly at the urging of his advisors kushner and bannon. mike ellis a lawyer in the counsel office who previously worked with nunes was the second white house official according to the "new york times." today the "washington post" reported a third official, top lawyer for the nsc john eisenberg was also involved in the handling of those reports that went to nunes. we caught up with two of the three, ellis and eisenberg early this morning. >> did you provide nunes intelligence? >> i'm not talking about anything. >> did you see what devin nunes shared with president trump? >> i have got get to work. >> can you tell us anything about which trump officials were
mentioned in the documents given to chairman nunes? >> nothing. >> can you tell us anything -- if there were any corroboration with russian officials by the obama administration? >> i have no idea. >> can you tell us anything, any information about the current investigation going on by chairman nunes? >> nothing to say. >> can you give us any information, sir? >> couple more guys that don't know nothg. congressman mike quickly is a democratroilliis sits on the intelligence committee. and greg miller correspondent from the "washington post." gentlemen, welcome. i'm thinking i'm trump, i woke up on a saturday and i tweeted that the former president wiretapped me during the trump campaign at trump tower. then i realized i made a mistake and i consult my advisors and we
go what do we have and who can we feed it to? they say we have got cohen and ellis who used to work for nunes. put this thing together. congressman, it looks like it was an alley-oop play. i like to use that phrase. dick cheney used to do it. give it to somebody else to deliver. and then you can say, as i was saying. they have got this guy, nunes, pegged. they used him. they fed him stuff out of the white house. one night. the next morning he came back and announced it with the president with alarming he had just gotten from the president's people the night before. how do you see it yourself? >> i'm listening to the three stooges theme in the background unfortunately. it's extraordinarily troubling and frustrating. and at this point in time, the only thing we have is the opportunity to go forward. i'm not giving up on the house investigation. there's a lot of good people over there. clearly, we have had an extraordinarily tough week. and you know, you know that there have been calls for mr.
nunes to step aside. that's not going to happen, unfortunately. so we are going to work together, hopefully, and pivot and go back to regular order this week. >> do you trust him? >> i think he's made it difficult for the investigation to go forward, but given that there are very few options, i don't have any choice. i'll tell you this. he was a very fair chairman under the obama administration. it's been difficult this last week or so, especially since obviously president trump took office. at this point in time, i wish i could say more. we have no choice. the speaker isn't going to knock him off. he's not going to recuse himself in the final analysis we are going to be reading the same documents. and we have been. we are going to be interviewing the same witnesses. i do believe we are going to have that open hearing. and i do believe we are going back to meetings with admiral rogers and mr. comey to find out
exactly what took place. >> greg, it seems to me that when this thing is fully aired by the press and by the committee to some extent but more by the press we are going to see the materials give to mr. nunes on tuesday night last week are basically the ones they are going to be giving out. but when they gave them to him in a special bay, almost like giving an exclusive to a reporter, build it up and make it seem alarming and exculpatory for the president, make the president look good on his dawn patrol tweets. i get the feeling it's not going to be that useful once it comes out in a normal fashion. what do you make of it? what's there? >> i think that's true, the more we've learned about the documents, and we are still a long way from learning everything about them, it sounds less and less alarming, right? you peel back where nunes started, which was very uncomfortable, boy, the american public wouldn't like to see this stuff. then he has a conversation with adam schiff, and schiff says boy based on what nunes told me when i press him on this issue is
this was sort of standard operating procedure for intelligence agencies. i mean there is a legitimate issue here on the unmasking of american officials who show up in the surveillance of foreign governments. but it's just so odd how the white house in this case has sort of used nunes and damaged his credibility over such a seemingly minuscule matter, this tweet. you just sort of wonder whether nunes is such an important ally for the administration, whether they might have wanted to preserve his credibility for more important developments later on in this russia story. >> mr. quickly, a couple -- i think there is three cases in the last week where the white house's people basically told us the story. first of all sean spicer whose job is to speak for the president saying it doesn't pass as the smell test if he got the stuff at the white house one night and shows up the next day to bring it back. then this congressman from florida, works for the president. said quigley, one of the members
of your intelligence committee works for the president. what do you make about the claims, about the constitution, they seem to admit -- i said they sound like their own worst witnesses. >> at this point, mr. spicer is channelling his inner ron ziegler. i think there is something beyond this that's more troubling. how this information was passed back and forth. unfortunately, what's taking place here besides the distraction is the very real possibility that there are going to be investigations of what's happened during the investigation. and is that a distraction to the american public? it absolutely is. there's a lot of serious work to do on this. not the least of which is how do we prevent this sort of russian involvement again. but we're not going to get there if we are playing these sort of crazy games. >> do you think nunes wants to find out the trump role in cooperating with the russians,
if there was one? does he want to know what hand they played in encouraging the russians to hack the democratic national committee, podesta and palmieri and all the rhett of that that seemed to droi hillary clinton's campaign? do you think nunes wants to find out the truth of trump's role in all of that? >> i would think every american would like to fine out the truth how far the russian involvement -- what took place, who played a role in that, who if anyone was helping on side of the united states. how far did this go? how do we prevent it in the future? and what about these leaks? that's the four levels of this investigation i have to assume that they are going to work in good faith. obviously, my doubts have been raised. we are going to keep a good eye on it and alert the american public. we have got a job to do. i can't let them succeed on the distractions. otherwise we are rewarding bad behavior. i have to make this investigation work. >> well said.
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had not. sessions recused himself from the investigation into collusion a day later. then on the 4th of the month, trump dropped his explosive tweets falsely accusing the prior administration of wiretapping him during the campaign. on march 6th, republicans unveiled the american health care act but one week later the cbo said t bill would cost -- would cause 24 million americans to lose coverage. two days later on the 159:a federal judge blocked the president's second travel ban. on march 20th, fbi director james comey publicly confirmed that the bureau is investigating alleged ties between the trump campaign and russia. two days later devin nunes said he had seen reports showing intelligence on surveillance of the trump transition team who was provided by the white house.
the president ignites a war within his party against the freedom caucus. on the 25th he promotes a segment on fox news that calls for house speaker paul ryan to step down. on the 29dth of this month a judge in hawaii extended the block of the president's travel ban. just yesterday, three white house officials are outed for showing intelligence reports to chairman nunes. former national security adviser michael flynn asks for legal immunity from investigators in exchange for his testimony. today the president tweets his support for flynn and it's revealed the senate has turned down that request for immunity. we'll discuss president trump's bad month with the hard ball panel coming up here next. you are watching hard ball. mom gets breakfast in bed...
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he realized his approach has failed. months ago candidate trump warned voters about hillary clinton and promised that he would fix things. >> we need a government that can go to work on day one for the american people. that will be impossible with hillary clinton. the prime suspect in a far-reaching criminal investigation. her current skamgdss and controversies will continue throughout -- scandals and controversies will continue throughout her presidency and will make it virtually impossible for her to govern. if hillary clinton were to be elected, it would create an unprecedented and protracted constitutional crisis. the investigation will last for years. the trial will probably start. nothing will get done. i alone can fix it. >> for more, i'm joined by
jonathan cape hard, opinion writer for the "washington post." ruth, and -- >> how is he doing? >> let's get perspective. remember the first term of the clintons, first 100 days. disaster, hillary care. people getting ousted. people thought he would never get reelected. he was reelected. i'm thinking about the last couple of weeks and i'm perplexed why we are not talking about the real scandal. was there a misuse of government surveillance? were there raw intelligence reports that made it into the hounds of white house senior officials? my thing is i want to get to the bottom this, i think talk to republicans who say let's get to the bottom, let's have flynn and everybody in front of the committees but also let'sursue what actually happened. ruth, that's a legitimate newe hear it from sean spicer every day, the line, that
the real story here is leaks. it's been my experience for a long time that people in power tend to care about leaks and nobody else does. >> well, the real story here is a bunch of different stories. the real story here is what director comey told us he was investigate, right? what did russia to do influence the election and was there any improper coordination, collusion, between members of the trump campaign and you know, associates, and the russians to influence the election? that's the main story. there are also totally legitimate pieces to that story. were there improper leaks? how did these leaks occur? it seems to me that the trump campaign -- the trump administration has sort of created its own circular reality here. that doesn't mean that there might not have been improper unmasking. but the fundamental issue is the fundamental issue, which is the
russians, and what trump did or didn't do with them. >> i think the big story -- is what you said, the symbiotic partnership to it. the most aggressive print press coverage i've seen since watergate. the "washington post," the "new york times" fighting it out with a huge contingency of reporters, incredible enterprise all over the front page, two or three stories a day. i've never seen such aggressiveness. i think that's the other en -- of leaks. they are getting the story out faster than trump's people are, that's for sure. >> when you've got the media environment that's so rapid fire, once you got up to speed on the story that broke at 1:00 there is a new one at 1:30. >> michael flynn is going to go for immunity, it blew everything else out of the saddle around 7:00 last night. >> it's also because it is a target rich environment. you have an administration that raises more questions every time they attempt to either answer
one or on few skate answering another question. d you know, the longer the president and his senior advisors continue to get around answering questions saying i don't know, i don't know, i don't know -- as you said earlier -- the more this story is going to along. in washington we have seen this happen, an administration that refuses to just own up to whatever it is they no. the longer the story goes on, and the more damage it cause. >> let me ask you, do you think this travel -- the travel office story was a pain in the butt that the clintons -- they wanted to give their cousin a job in the travel office. it handled travel office for the press, not the travel for the country. can you figure out who is in the white house with the president? here we are 70 days. i'm trying to fig you out who is sitting next to him. i think's lonely guy, personally, doesn't have a lot of buds. jared kushner, and his wife, the
praez's daughter, he identifies this guy, cohen, the head of intelligence at nsc, he hooks up with this guy, ellis, who hooks up with nunes, nunes heads over in the middle of the night. you are laughing. it is a mickey mouse operation. it is all come to light their plan to skip this thing around and get it laundered at the white house and have a republican chairman of the committee say this is damage alarming information. it was their own information. it is a beginning to look mickey mouse, i'm sorry. >> it's funny that nunes a week ago was lauded by the press by calling out trump on his tweets. calling him out on his tweets. >> that's what they reacted to. i think nunes got heat for that. >> again, i will go back to ultimately at the ends of the day the conversation -- i don't think there will be any evidence. we have seen brennan, clapper, others saying there is no proof, there is no information that
shows collusion with russia. >> what does michael flynn want immunity for? what does he want to get -- what is the story he wants to tl? his lawyers thinking he has a story to tell. >> in a witch hundred. >> there is no witch -- >> if you listen to the narrative you could have sworn there were russians agents in voting booths in wisconsin. >> here's a good way to disrupt the narrative, have the president come out and tell everything. >> i'm going to agree with you. on this i don't think the white house has been as good at driving the narrative. i think they could be better. i think there will be a hard look at what took place over these weeks. >> i don't believe in witches. i believe in witch-hunts. but i look at a picture and i see the guy that was going to be national security adviser to the president sitting at dinner with putin and getting paid $30,000. >> three weeks. >> i know, what's it say? what carter page over to russia all the time. what's that back and forth
about? meetings kislyak. all these meetings with flynn covered up. if there was nothing wrong with the meeting, why did they deny them. jonathan, you haven't said anything. >> i just had an outburse. [ overlapping speakers ] >> if the white house driving, not doing a good job driving the narrative, they are like the democrats' best friend. they started with the tweet, and then they keep digging deeper and deeper. you talked about the first 100 days of the clinton administration. i was a white house reporter during that. tell me what bill clinton's numbers were after his first 100 days and you would swap them for donald trump's. >> 4% in. >> they committed some of the mistakes because they didn't have experienced people around them. >> let me ask you about learning curves. all the different points of view here, opinion writers you are allowed to have them, of course you have an opinion. what have you seen of a lerveing curve from trump? where has he shown week by week the pick up on people who to
trust, ways of doing things. you are getting quiet on me. i don't see it either. show me some learning -- where has he improved. >> 18 months ago people thought this guy is is a joke. quick study. he is the president of the united states. i think he let sebody else drive his agenda. i think he is goio learn from that. >> who is that? >> paul ryan on hill. i think there were mistakes in how the agenda and the agenda calendar has run out. >> do you think paul ryan has talent. >> he has some talent but not as much talent as speakers in the past. >> learning term in terms of monitoring policies, more extreme policies have turned out to be more moderate but not on presidential behavior like tweeting. >> i think the presidential cabinet -- there are interesting people on the cabinet, better than him. i look to them to protect this
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>> a big payment is due on october 2nd. if they don't raise the debt ceiling, that would be the day. >> it's going to be about the mexican wall. you watch because the democrats are not going to pay for that wall. ruth. >> we've been talking a lot about devin nunes. he was not the original choice of then house speaker john boehner to be the chairman of the intelligence committee. it was another member of that committee, mike conaway, who boehner went for. nunes was not happy about that, lobbied the speaker, got the job. some people -- >> development that was. ned? i love this guy yoho who said his job is to work for the president. >> trump's going to have to make a decision, outsider/insider, it was his outsider instincts that got him to the white house. he's got to trust his instincts. at some point there's going to be a changeup with the white house staff. i'm not sure if sean spicer and rice make it. >> how does he get anything done with his attitude? how do you get 216 votes in the house? how do you pass anything? >> i think you're going to bring the freedom caucus guys back to the table. i feel pretty positive you're
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attention over the years, areas of great concern to this country's secure and to the rights of its citizens. one of those areas was women's productive rigs. whatever your position on abortion, how you see it as a matter of personal or societal morality, how you believe it should be handled or not handled by the law in a free society is a matter most people have given some serious thought to. donald trump is not one of those people. as i and you learned this time a year ago. >> do you believe in punishment for abortion? yes or no as a principle? >> the answer is that there has to be some form of punishment. >> for the woman? >> yeah, there has to be some form. >> now, there are other questions to which candidate trump gave unsettling answers in the campaign. in that same interview, for example, trump refused to rule out the use of nuclear weapons in europe, and one has to wonder what scenario would put that option, as trump said, on the table. so think back to franklin roosevelt in 1933, soothing us with the line, we have nothing to fear but fear itself. but this time with this president, don't take fear off
something is bogus in new york and it's not the cops. that's it for us tonight from washington. we are here every night at 8:00. "the five" is next. >> dana: hello, everyone. i am dana perino. with juan williams, jesse watters, greg gutfeld, and kimberly h guilfoyle. it is 9:00 in new york city and this is "the five." tonight, new reaction from president trump with the firestorm surrounded around his son and russia. the president is telling reuters tonight he only learned about the controversial sitdown a couple of days ago and doesn't blame his son for having the meeting. saying "many people would have." democrats want the treason charge, other people say that's nonsense.
>> there's been soop much overwrought claim. there are people talking about treason. i can't believe "the new york times" had an op-ed yesterday in which treason was mentioned. >> people are saying it could be treason, which is facially absurd. >> it just doesn't rise to that level. >> dana: corey lewandowski thinks the white house needs to get much tougher on cracking down on leaks. >> anybody -- and i mean anybody who is not on the president's agenda working in this administration -- should be removed immediately, i don't know who the leaker is. if someone was speaking to the media or leaking information which could potentially be detrimental to the president and his administration, i would fir them on the spot. >> dana: juan, if i would go to your first -- you would think donald trump, jr.,'s meeting was wrong, possibly unethical but to jump to treason, does that underminena the democrats point?
growth >> dana: perhaps congress needs to clarify the law about interactions between campaigns and foreign government. right now, this is just not there. >> kimberly: people are trying to run with this. i think they are trying to smear donald trump and any kind of political aspirations. remember at the rnc how well he did? a lot of people talked about his political future. this is trying to do generational and reputational damage for the trump family. they are starting happily and aggressively with donald jr. they tried to take a hit with ivanka. she's been very passionate onon behalf of coming out with women's issues. eair pay for women, and health for working women as it relates to health care, syria, the chemical weapons attacks. when i say something like this, i just wonder what the motivation is behind us, in terms of someone going after him
like this. perhaps this is really the perfect time to find some clarification, some clarity as it relates to what is appropriate and what isn't.at let me tell you, if my father was running for president of the united states, i would sit down and take a meeting and find out if there was information against anin opponent. compare this to what hillary clinton did to the women that accused bill clinton of sexual misconduct or assault against them. et cetera. what did she do to smear them and investigate them? i find the hypocrisy from the left really appalling. >> dana: jesse, some on the right have been saying well, why isn't anybody looking into and investigating and charging hillary clinton's team with the ukrainians? they got information that was against paul manafort. if that's the case -- isn't that also admitting that this meeting was wrong? >> jesse: if you want to
trying to help his father. if there's something wrong with trying to help your father, then i guess we are all guilty. >> dana: cory lewandowski was getting to that. the leaks are actually coming from the inside.. they established that the white house is not under any -- they don't think they have a legal problem but the p.r. problem is sort of internal sabotage. >> greg: yeah, i don't care. i honestly don't care. the more alarmed the press becomes, the more i believe america is becoming exhausted. these stories are becoming so intense and over-the-top. they are so interested in reiterating the past. we know as americans that is not about collusion, it's about settling the score. yeah, we might do the same thing
because s we would be angry over an election but at a certain point, you've got to let it go. i can redefine collusion as the collusion between the media, academia, and the entertainment industry, who have been trying to brainwash us for decades over the dumbest ideologies. we've been victims of collusions all of our lives. the narrative here is that the trump presidency is in disarray. that's what we know. that's what we elected. we k are okay with disarray. we elected somebody because they don't have experience in politics. therefore, he'sct surrounded by people are not adept at controlling the narrative. maybe that's their fault and maybe donald should have known better but the bottom line is this: if you wanted this not to happen, you could have had a rubio, kasich. >> dana: you would probably have clinton. >> kimberly: and now we have less isis.
shut up >> greg: you have the good. it's a phenomenon. trump is a phenomenon. if you are seeing things happen like isis. the downside is, you are going to have this stuff going on forever because they don't know how to deal with it because they are not insiders. you elected ann outsider. this is not a bug in the system. this is the system. we just have to deal with it and over it. the hyperventilation on other networks is insane. have you see them lately? i worry about their health.nt >> jesse: yesterday you saw a fever pitch -- you can see the temperature come down ates least half a degree. >> greg: they will find something new. this "wall street journal" piece that came out, everyone is screaming about it. there's nothing in there.jo at least, i couldn't find anything. >> dana: it's basically sayingth that the russians were trying to infiltrate into the campaign to see -- they were trying to listener in. we found out the russians were talking about the trump campaign but we've known that.
>> greg: that was the tick tick boom on twitter. >> juan: i think there are two other stories that are interesting. in fact, there are concerns that the russians were given information a about various districts where there were vulnerabilities for clinton. weaknesses. those districts saw an increase of the kind of hacking and emails being sent in, specifically targeting at blacks, women, to decrease hillary votes. that would be cooperating and urging on a foreign power. it's not to say that there is not real problems here. for me, as a democrat, i looked to see what are republicans thinking. when are republicans going to become critical? today, you had "national review" saying basically russian collusion is no longer just a tinfoil conspiracyic theory.
no american, republican or democrat, should defend the intent of donald trump's meeting. >> dana: even donald trump, jr., said he would have done it differently. hindsight being 20/20. >> juan: jesse said he was duped. he wasn't duped. >> jesse: the only reason he did it was because he was boys with the guy that had to hook up. >> juan: the email said that she was coming with informationk directly from the russian government. >> kimberly: this party is going down the toilet. they don't get it. now people within your party, juan, are saying this russian story is a total loser. if you don't have the senate, the house. you certainly don't have the oval. if you keep story. we have bernie sanders, he's not a closer, either. hillary clinton is going to hide out with scooby snacks in the van. if i was you guys, i would be freaking out.
[laughter] >> juan: i don't care what your political affiliation is. this presidents white house is not doing his job. >> kimberly:wh he needs to get some better people into be able to deliver what he promised the working men and women. >> juan: kimberly guilfoyle just said she thinks donald trump should get better people? >>en kimberly: yes. he needs to filled thee positios that are there. he knows that. >> jesse: they are going to run for the hills, at the smallest whiff of controversy. i've watchedd them all day. >> juan: they are not turning away from donald trump. >> greg: i will ask the dumbest question. >> kimberly: you are good at it. >> greg: how come a citizen cannot engage in a practice that a reporter can?
a reporter can go to a meeting and if you get some information he's a whistleblower. it's snowden, everything. but trump, jr., a citizen -- it's collusion. he could have been chelsea manning. a reporter is a hero, they make a movie about you. >> dana: if a foreign government comes to you with information to damage another american, i would not do it. >> greg: i would in a second. i would say you're going to tell me -- you would say "i wonder what it is." dana will get on the phone and say "hello, fbi?" >> dana: i would never do anything to -- if they had information on you, i am taking that call. [laughter] >> dana: a breakup announcement, next. and not the kind that you might be thinking. ♪ one that you might
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>> greg: joe scarborough has announced he's leaving the republicanth party. reactions pouring in from all over the world. [laughter] >> greg: it's too easy. joe scarborough, morning joe, told this shocker on colbert last night. >> this was well before donald trump was elected htpresident that my party has betrayed their core values. time and time and time again, they turn the other way. they are doing the same thing now. it's actually disgusting. you have to ask yourself, what exactly is the republican party willing to do? how far are they willing to go and how much of this country and values are they willing to sell out? >> but aren't you a republican? >> i am a republican but i'm not going to be a republican anymore. i've got to become an independent.
>> greg: okay, weird. we go to the republican party for reaction. [laughter] >> greg: so, joe calls it an exit but for republicans, it's really an enema. he played both sides as a teenager. thankfully, not joe's. ♪ >> greg: oh, man, is that awkward or what? he seems to be the only one
there enjoying the song. thee rest of them are just waiting for the check to clear. all decisions are driven by a need for attention. chases the spotlight, and thenh he moves on. after all, he does tend to leave things. he did resign from congress, after all. for something sanctimonious about leaving a group that isn't clamoring to keep you. if it's because of trump, fine. but joe indulged and flattered him and used him to gain access and ratings. to woo him away from fox & friends. then when he saw donald outgrow him, he imploded. i wish him luck. i welcome his independence, even if it's just another stab at relevance, to be noticed at the next hamptons cocktail party. i bet he's going to bring his guitar. >> kimberly: [laughs] >> greg: did his announcement move you to tears? >> dana: no.
when colbert asked him, are you still a republican? it's such a planted question. they probably were able to get booked on colbert saying they were going to make thiss big news. a it is a little hard to take in, watching the primary pretty closely, we all lived it. they loved donald trump. it was like wait, i don't understand. what about all these conservative principles? >> greg: he compared him to reagan! he said he was the next reagan. jesse, it takes such talent for leaving your party to seem phony. >> jesse: when i saw the story, i was like why are we doing this story? i now know why we are doing this story. i don't have anything bad to say and i have no animosity with joe scarborough. i want to congratulate him on hisre nuptials.
they are riding the wave. that's fine, let them do their thing. the band is getting back together. i don't know what that was. i don't think anybody cares and the republican party that he's leaving. i think msnbc, a talkingn point now, you can't say joe scarborough and morning joe. you can't even say that. [laughter]ay > kimberly: that's true. >> greg: juan, people are being broken emotionally by trump, they go through this thing and then something happens and they are never the same. is that what happens here? he's just emotionally broken by this victory? i don't know. >> juan: i don't know if he's emotionally broken. i think he's behaving in an expedient manner. he is capitalizing where he can
for the moment to get attention. i took him seriously. i wanted to know exactly what his argument is. donald trump says i don't know what the kkk and david duke are. because he has hispanic heritage he can't be a judge in my case. he goes on about values. heon says why are republicans continuing to make excuses for donald trump? >> greg: i don't think he said he didn't know who the kkk was coming he said he wasn't aware if they were supporting him. so what if some freak supports you? >> kimberly: this is old news.re >> juan: take it seriously. it is very critical, as we sat in the first segment. what point do republicans say you know what? donald trump, this has gone too far. >> greg: you've convinced me. now that joe has left, he has convinced me. trump is evil. >> kimberly: are you joining the unicorn party? i love the hairdo.
>> jesse: yeah, can we talk about that? i want hair like that. kimberly: yours is short in comparison. his is like a chia pet. miracle-gro. he wants to sell albums and he said that and that's fine. he's into this whole thing. i am happy for him. good for them. good. he wants to go and play and record and play for his kids but here's my thing. donald trump, the president, f s very good to them. very loyal. offered them to get married in mar-a-lago or at the white house. was on their show, a whole deal. and then they were hitting him in d the face. i don't live like that. >> greg: in the music performance, he reminded me a lot of the partridge family. you know you're not really musician if you are constantly looking at the people around you while you're playing.
it sounded like he ripped off pete townsend. >> dana: he's done a lot of these songs. monkey house? >> jesse: what kind of instruments do you play? >> greg: i play everything. i was in a band. i can't say the name of the band but it was a death metal band. >> kimberly: was lou dobbs in it?? >> dana: they were actually good, right? >> greg: we were okay. let's let it go. >> dana: russia, if you have the tapes -- >> greg: i was 20 years old. >> kimberly: how did you look? >> greg: i looked great. up next, why is a liberal magazine editor who considers herself a feminist criticizing ivanka trump for her clothing? we will tell you, up ahead. ♪ cizing can we at least analyze customer traffic? can we push the offer online? legacy technology can handcuff any company.
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♪ >> kimberly: ivanka trump accompanied her father for the g20 summit in germany. the presidential advisor launched an initiative and sat in for her dad at a meeting from world leaders. one magazine editor is saying that ivanka trump is not a feminist. not for something she said but rather what she wore. >> i don't mean to sound sexist, it can be dangerous commenting on what women wear but she sat in for her father wearing a dress that was so ornamental. it'sdr a pink dress with big bos on the elbows. there's something incredibly ornamental. that's not a dress made for work or to go out in the world and make a difference. that is a dress that is designed to show off your girliness. god bless her. show it off.
but don't then tell us that you are crusading for an equal place for women at the table. because you are not. >> kimberly: gross. >> dana: i can barely breathe. this is exactly what the didn'tt movement -- you want to be judged by your looks. you wanted to be judged by your thoughts, capabilities, work. when you say "i don't mean to sound sexist but..." it's like when you say "i don't mean to disrespect but..." don't even say that. the democrats could not change maternity leave. ivanka trump is actually changing it. she's going up there on the issues that she cares about. today, she was able to announce that the president is going to put in more money towards humanitarian aid for the famine being exacerbated in africa. she has created this entire worldwide push for women and
girls around the world. what else could be feminist? and they make fun of her outfit? this is why young women don't want to call themselves feminist and that this is whyhy that movement is dying and it should. >> greg: after seeing this, i am no longer a feminist. are we sure she's not an evil white male? it was so patriarchal. >> dana: it sounds like it would have been set in the '70sri or "mad men." >> greg: i'm not surprised -- she's a predictable ideologue. if somebody gave you two of her beliefs, you could predict the third one. she sat predictable. she has never strayed from this ideological hard left stance. all of us here are unpredictable in the things we believe in. you are a conservative here or a npliberal here. that does not exist in her
world. she's an ideologue dogmatist and really predictable. >> kimberly: jesse? >> jesse: i was told never to start a sentence when you say this might sound sexist but... that's like 101. it was a very spiteful comment. i thought women were supposed to boost each other up, not tear ryeach other down. it always seems like the left thinks the worst of the trumps. trump, jr., has a bad meeting. he's a traitor. ivanka takes her father's seat -- it's because she's an ornament or a piece of property. donald trump praised symphonies and that makes him a racist. everything this family does, everyone on the left thinks he has the worst intentions. i'm getting sick of it. >> kimberly: there's nothing anybody in the family can do to get some honest evaluation or
statement about what they do.e she's an entrepreneur, very charitable. i've known her for over ten years. it's sad because what also she kexpected to even do? she's trying to serve the country. she's very passionate about women and children and equale wage and good health care and being murdered and genocide that's happening, she's created ave vey affordable clothing line. nothingh. is good enough. this woman is setting back other women, by diminishing her accomplishments, by complaining aboutwo what she's wearing. shame on you. what have you done for women, joan walsh? >> juan: i have a different viewpoint. >> dana: you are siding with joan walsh? >> juan: i will say this for joan walsh and people looking at the trump family -- i don't
think anybody is all down on the family. >> jesse: are you watching the news? >> juan: i think you guys enjoy the idea -- if you haven't noticed, the women around donald trump, they all are very stylish, extremely beautiful -- >> dana: everyone just praised ymichelle obama's outfits. >> juan: they talked about her muscle tone, everything. that's fair. >> kimberly: what are you talking about? that's a compliment. oh, my gosh. >> juan: she said she looked ornamental. >> kimberly: that's not a dress that's made for work. that's a dress designed to show off your girliness -- it is sexist. >> juan: i don't think it's sexist about what she's saying and what dana said, look at the woman's work.
look at what she has done.e. >> kimberly: are you better than me because you can wear that outfit and i wear a dress? no.he >> juan: she t saying let's have more money for this or paid leave, that's not making the argument or winning the argument in congress. that's not changing our national values. >> dana: she's been very active, she's gone to senator rubio, she's written to "the wall street journal" because they don't like the idea. she's taken them on. she's actively trying to do something. >> juan: okay. you can praise it but the ideaea that you have her sitting in at formal meetings at the g20 -- that's kind of unusual that you have your daughter -- >> kimberly: that showsd that president trump champions women and believes in his daughter. it's an example for the rest of the people in the country to do that for their daughters. the only thing that would make the left happy is if she was screaming like a lunatic and throwingng things.
>> dana: and don't forget, wearing a hat. >> greg: you can make those jokes now. i can make fun of how chelsea dresses. everything's on the table, right?no no, i wouldn't. because i am a classy guy. >> juan: you are. you are. >> greg: am i? >> kimberly: i'm done with this. illegal immigration and the long promised wall, next. tech: when you schedule with safelite autoglass, you get a text when we're on our way. you can see exactly when we'll arrive. i'm micah with safelite. customer: thanks for coming, it's right over here. tech: giving you a few more minutes for what matters most. take care. kids singing: safelite® repair, safelite® replace.
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figure in 17 years. this is a real improvement but we are not there yet. >> jesse: there's also an update on mr. trump's big, beautifule wall. yesterday, a house panel unveiled legislation for a down payment. likely to start a spending fight that could lead to a shutdown. steve king backs the measure but thinks it should go even further. >> i would throw another $5 billion on the pile and half a billion dollars right out of planned parenthood's budget and the rest of it could come out of food stamps and the entitlements thatom are being spread out for people that haven't worked in three generations. we have to put america back to work. this administration will do it. >> jesse: wow. what do you think about steve king's inflammatory -- >> greg: this is not a persuasive argument. building a wall, you have to be practical, not political. this is a guy saying ifot you he
the idea of the wall, you are going to hate this idea even more. g you are supposed to broaden the appeal of stuff. this is a salt in the wound kind of thing. you want people on the fence or on the wall to come to the wall. you don't want to say hey, guess what? we will take money from this and this and other causes that you like. make it the world's longest strip mall. it could be nail salons. chinese take-out. dry cleaners. always the karate studio. they always have a karate studi in strip malls and no one is ever in them. >> jesse: just a lot of trophies. is this donald trump's way to negotiate? steve king saying we will do thisy and this and this? and then when they negotiate back from there, they will get the funding? >> dana: maybe the white house could put steve king up to that but my talking point was "not the most persuasive argument for the wall." >> greg: i saw that.
>> kimberly: it could be top line. >> dana: consistently, across the board, polling for the wall is 60% against. polling for planned parenthoodg is like almost an 80% popularity rate. not that i think it should be funded by the federal government but basically, he's bringing up two very difficult things. on the food stamp point, if they can prove they can't get those roles t down -- they should do that in a demonstrable fashion. and then instead of saying "people that haven't worked in three decades, we will take their food stamps away" -- >> jesse: i don't think the wall can be chipped away at all. they can't be slowed down or defunded. t if donald trump loses the wall or momentum on the wall, that puts a huge chink in the armor and the base. >> kimberly: the moneyal would be better spent securing the borders than ending and shortening the lives of thousands of babies. wouldn't't it?
>> juan: are you kidding me? first of all, planned parenthood does so much more than abortion but if you want to have the abortion argument, let's have it. >> greg: they shouldn't be doing abortions then. >> juan: why can't they -- i don't want to get into it and it's so emotional. when it comes to the idea that you would kick people off of food stamps and you just say "oh, it's just those undeserving, degenerate people who have been taking advantage?" what is going on? steve king thinking those mexican immigrants have calves the size of cantaloupes, well, stevem king looks like a big old halloween jack-o'-lantern. the two-thirds of the people getting food stamps in our great country are either children, the elderly, or disabled. why would you go after this group? i don't get it. one more point, jesse. guess what states would be hardest hit, jesse? states that voted for
donald trump have the highest population of this needy group. ii don't think it's respectful r loving for anybody to go after children, the disabled, and the elderly. >> jesse: maybe the able-bodied people that are getting food stamps can work for the wall. a funeral for the officer assassinated in new york city last week. trying to end hatred towards police, up ahead. you totanobody's hurt, new car. but there will still be pain. it comes when your insurance company says they'll only pay three-quarters of what it takes to replace it. what are you supposed to do? drive three-quarters of a car? now if you had liberty mutual new car replacement™, you'd get your whole car back. i guess they don't want you driving around on three wheels. smart. with liberty mutual new car replacement™,
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>> juan: a lot of people have this sentiment. this is a very intriguing moment. this woman is a latina. a lot of people talk about black and blue, brown and blue, what happens when you have officerst who were shot, assassinated, who are protecting the community? >> kimberly: i've seen this type of story over and over again. to that family and her children, this is raw. real. unacceptable. something like this is happening but it's part of this sickening cultureng where people are not respecting the men and women that faithfully serve in blue. they try to beat them down, they try to make them look like they are the enemies. the police that serve every morning and try and do this job are the ones that are hunted and disrespected. it's really appalling to me that this is going on in this country. it's been going on for a while. we know where it started and what administration, bill de blasio should be thrown out.
>> juan: jesse, in fact, there was some young kid playing nwa's "blank the police." i get people would say look at all the police officers cleared in the shooting of people, the philando castile case.th it's hard for police -- any police to get convicted of killing someone unarmed. >> jesse: yes, you would never want to blast that song at a funeral. it's inexcusable. >> kimberly: it's part of the ferguson effect. >> jesse: real, average americans are trying to take care of their families, going to work. they have commitments. there is a silent majority out there. the silent majority that talks to their friends, neighbors, families about something like this. and then they talk at the ballot box and i think that's what counts. the silent majority make their
voices heard. the young people, "black lives matter," the open borders activists -- those people are going to get out there because they don't have a lot to do. theyey don't have jobs or a lot going on. that's when you see the hatred and animosity. they don't have the passion to be fair. you won't see a lot of hard-working americans coming out for this because life moves fast, unfortunately. >> juan: we saw police come from around the world to this funeral. it was on the grand concourse. it was flooded with blue. >> dana: the hardest job in the world is being a single mom and second hardest job is being a police officer. it does show you why the new york police department consistently recruits s and retains america's finest. >> juan: greg, your pal, big bill de blasio spoke at the funeral. >> greg: there was a demonstration they are, after all.
hundreds of cops turned their backs on them. that's a demonstration. in terms of why there aren't other demonstrators coming out of this -- like black lives matter, they ignored this injustice because it doesn't fit their narrative. perhaps if they actually did , listen to this, it would force them to look in the mirror and question their own complicity in this. there is complicity in this. the police have been demonized. the narrative on various networks have demonized the police, making the ferguson effect. making them on capable to do their jobs. >> juan: this is a conflict between police and black lives matter but there's no doubt -- i think everyone at thee table understands that what happened to officer miosotis familia -- it was an abomination and should never happen. "one more thing" up next.
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role of ms. cooper. pick the book up. if you are going to love it. >> dana: president trump promised to aid money in africa. the united nations world food program called the pledge a godsend. president trump led the effort to allow a group of afghan girls into the country after they had been previously denied entry. soso they could partake in an international robotics competition. they t had initially been denied and theth national security advisor said the u.s. is proud of these girls who represent the best of the afghan people. jesse. >> jesse: i've made a fashion statement last night on the ffive. people went crazy.
that's called a burgundy blazer. we call it that for a reason.y. because everybody on the internet set i looked like ron burgundy. a stay classy. and a mustache. i did not do that. that's not my mustache. >> juan: there is a new area and photography, look at the winners of this contest. it looks like someone is falling off the edge of a building but a closer look, you will see it's a man in the picture laying on the edge of a tennis court. here's the secondd one. looks like vibrant pink standing out, a sea of green lilies. >> greg: it's my turn, juan. i have a great article at foxnews.com. you should read it. i've got a great new podcast with ariel pink, of brilliant musical artist.
that is how they used to do it when he was in charge. now that the white house has hand-picked someone to take over that job, apparently we get the kushner forms 7:00 on a friday night. that does it for us tonight. we'll see you again on monday. now it's time for "the last word." ari melber sitting in for lawrence tonight. good evening, ari. >> good evening, rachel. sometimes the news breaks late and people ask why, and there's no reason. and then sometimes it feels like maybe there's a reason. >> that's right. and, you know, some of these things, i just feel like it's because we're all cursed, and we don't get real weekends. so fridays just end up being a busy day. but there are some things in the news tonight that feel like legit, deliberate friday night news dumps that are supposed to be burying these things. >> right. and your reporting on what outgoing former director shaub said adds context to that. i am ari melber in for lawrence o'donnell this evening. it seems attorney general jeff sessions' week did go from bad
language that really, in any other administration, would be a prelude to dismissal. we do know the president says he's unhappy with jeff sessions. and according to the president, think about it. the reason is not immigration enforcement, which was the biggest doj focus in trump's campaign. the reason that trump is unhappy with sessions has nothing to do with cracking down on gangs or drugs or mortgage fraud or really anything related to the attorney general's vast powers and influence over the lives of everyday americans. no, according to the president's own words, the big reason he is losing confidence in jeff sessions is all about the attorney general's impact on donald trump himself. let's get right to this big story tonight. i'm joined by john mclaughlin, former acting director of the cia, max boot, a senior fellow for national security studies and adviser to mitt romney back in 2012, and reporter david corn. mr. mclaughlin, the intercepts that are described in "the washington post" story, what do
they mean to you, and how much more would you like to know about them? >> well, ari, to be frank, i mean if this came to me in my old job, if someone walked into my office and told me this story, the first question i'd have would be i want to see the intercept. in other words, i would like to know all of the details in it and make some judgment about the way it's characterized and so forth. obviously if there's truth to it, it's appropriate to think about -- smart to think about whose agenda is being served here, and i think you already talked about the possibilities there. but the final thought i would give you on what it means to me is if this is true, it's obviously very sensitive intelligence. so someone throwing it out has to have an agenda that's pretty important to them. >> max, do you see the same potential agendas? >> absolutely. i mean to me, this is a little bit like choosing between iran, iraq during the iran/iraq war
because you have donald trump versus his own attorney general, and neither one inspires a lot of confidence. i mean certainly it's huge news if this "washington post" story is accurate that jeff sessions had discussions with the russians about the campaign and then lied about it, including possibly perjuring himself before the senate. but then you have to wonder as john mclaughlin just said, why is this coming out? there's a lot of speculation that it's being leaked by the white house because just a couple of days ago donald trump unloaded on his own attorney general, and there's a lot of speculation that he's trying to force jeff sessions out so he can appoint somebody else who will fire bob mueller for him. so bad as sessions' conduct may be, it may actually be in the interest of the republic for him to stay where he is so that trump can't put a yes man in that position. >> sometimes we ask big, complicated questions. i have a very simple question for you building on the comments here of our colleagues. how could it be that there is no russia collusion or russia problem according to donald trump, but the one reason he would fire or be unhappy with
jeff sessions is a meeting with a russian ambassador that the president himself still maintains is of no significance? >> you know, i cannot answer any question about what donald trump thinks. you know, he is highly situational. what he says, i think, is only meant to stand for the nanosecond he says it. it doesn't matter whether it's logical, consistent with anything else he's ever said. to me, you know, a big way of looking at what's coming out tonight, assuming "the washington post" report is accurate, is that why does this matter so much? well, what matters is if you have really one of the top surrogates for donald trump, you know, in the spring of 2016 talking to the russians kind of as they're beginning to figure out how to do information warfare against the u.s. election to help trump and to hurt hillary clinton, but if he's telling the russians, you know, if we get elected, you'll get a better deal with us. we want to revisit sanctions. donald trump likes putin, wants
to sit down and talk to him about doing things differently. if that message is being conveyed by jeff sessions to the ambassador from russia, he is giving putin incentive and motivation for going ahead with this far-ranging information campaign, warfare campaign that included the hacks and the release of e-mails but went much further than that. he is helping the russians by letting them know that if they do this, there may be a big payoff for them in the end. >> david, the president complains about leaks a lot. he doesn't seem to be complaining yet tonight about this leak. >> well, we'll see what tweet comes out at 5:00 in the morning, 6:00 in the morning. i mean he complains about anonymous sources yet he goes off the record with "the new york times" himself and of course white house people go off
story of the week. remember, the week began with news that donald trump had a quote, unquote, secret meeting at the hamburg g20 summit with vladimir putin where they talked about, quote, unquote, adoptions, which is code words for sanctions. then shortly thereafter, trump ended u.s. aid to the moderate syrian rebels, which is a key demand that the russians have been making for a long time. we're every single day learning more about this meeting that occurred in 2016 between donald trump jr. and the rest of the trump campaign hierarchy and these russian representatives, including the fact that we learned today that the lawyer who was involved there on the russian side represents the fsb, the russian intelligence service. so if you put all this into the context and you see all of these russian connections, there's a new one every single day, and increasingly benign explanations for what they're up to, benign explanations are just not incredible. >> right. you mentioned the disclosures on the meeting alone and how outnumbered the trump folks were with these russian officials. john mclaughlin, here was jeff sessions -- i would say the crescendo of his testimony when he clearly decided to try to lay
down a gauntlet and appeal to his former colleagues in the senate with the idea that he couldn't possibly have done something wrong on russia. >> the suggestion that i participated in any collusion, that i was aware of any collusion with the russian government to hurt this country, which i have served with honor for 35 years, or to undermine the integrity of our democratic process is an appalling and detestable lie. >> john mclaughlin, as someone who has sifted evidence your whole life, at this hour, is it still operative, that kind of blanket denial from him, or do you see anything in public here that casts doubt on that? >> well, if there's truth to this report we've just been talking about, everything that jeff sessions said doesn't stand. and he says it in such an affirmative way that it's been a
long time since i've seen such a stark contrast between the statements of a public official and what in this case may be true in this "washington post" article. i'm certain in any event that there's a core of truth to it. so i think it casts considerable doubt on jeff sessions' staying power in this position. i think that's probably the next shoe that we'll see drop here will be some discussion of whether he should stay or leave. so once again we see intelligence -- this is a common theme in this administration throughout its six months so far, is that intelligence is used by various factions in the administration as a political weapon. whether we're talking about leaks from the hill or leaks from within the white house, just another example, i think, of what is evidently a chaotic situation in which they do not yet have across the board the
kind of team work established that's required to really move our government and our interests forward. t. kind of appalling from all of those points of view. >> how would you, if you were back in your role running the cia, how would you deal with something like this? is there any effort to get the intercept if not out to the public, to the gang of eight or to some respectable process body that can look at it, or does that just make a bad problem worse? >> well, the first thing, of course, is you would probably know who had this intercept if it's an intercept as described. you would know who had received it, and you would be running down your list of potential sources for the leak. if someone in the congress had not seen it -- and this may have been a restricted document -- this may have been an extremely sensitive document that not many people will have seen. so you would be getting calls from your two oversight committees for the document and any background information on it. you'd be briefing it. you'd be answering questions about it.
you would be talking -- you would be -- as i said, the first thing i would do is say, let me see that document if it appeared in the press like this, if i hadn't seen it up to that point. and i would want to look at it from the standpoint of what are the motives of kislyak here. i met him quite often when he was head of the a americas department in the russian foreign ministry. he was capable of embellishing to americans but i don't think he does that with his superiors. he's actually a rather professional guy speaking just from an espionage point of view. and also i would say a really outside possibility here, just to put every conceivable idea on the table, is that the russians could send something like this through in a form that they expect it to be intercepted just as part of their covert action operation to throw more chaos into our system, which they've succeeded in doing.
>> i appreciate your point. i think that's very much on the table of possibilities given the recent conduct and how much work they've done to sow chaos. we know parts of the misinformation campaign were just to create some independent coo of confusion, which is different than other parts that were designed to explicitly reach strategic objectives like blunt any momentum of hillary clinton. we've seen both patterns in the intel community, and your former colleagues have spoken to that. david corn, i want to read the denial here from sessions' spokesperson, which also seems to have a problem in it. but here it is. quote, i obviously cannot comment on the reliability of what anonymous sources describe in a wholly uncorroborated intelligence intercept that "the washington post" has not seen
and that has not been provided to me. >> david -- >> can we play, can you spot the problem? >> i was going to say, number one, in fairness, it is true we don't have the intercept, so there's a fair point i think they make. then the problem, i think, is she's zeroing in here on a quote regarding only meddle, which is not actually a denial to the rest of the piece. go ahead. >> this is a quite common device used in washington and elsewhere, which is you deny the charge that isn't really made. you know, he never talked to the russians about collusion or meddling. that's not what this intercept, you know, says according to "the washington post" report. it says that he talked to kislyak about the trump campaign and policy positions that trump would presumably adopt should he become president. and he had specifically denied that any of his contacts with kislyak, which first he denied
totally happened, but then when he conceded there were contacts, he said it had nothing to do with the campaign. it was just maybe in his senatorial role and he exchanged pleasantries, but nothing about the campaign. so it's not hard to come up with the essence of the charge here and deny it straight on. they chose not to do that. >> absolutely. john mclaughlin, thank you. other folks stay with me. coming up, president trump has said to be especially irritated if special counsel mueller is going to investigate the president's business dealings. and some white house aides say they're stunned attorney general sessions hasn't already resigned. we'll explain next. >> we in this department of justice will continue every single day to work hard to serve the national interest, and we wholeheartedly join in the priorities of president trump. he gave us several directives. one is to dismantle transnational criminal
organizations. that's what we're announcing today, a dismantling of the largest dark website in the world by far. i congratulate our people for that. i have the honor of serving as attorney general. it's something that goes beyond any thought i would have ever had for myself. we love this job. we love this department, and i plan to continue to do so as long as that is appropriate. where are we?
welcome back. we have more on this friday night breaking news. "the washington post" reporting that according to a u.s. intelligence intercept, then russian ambassador kislyak reported to moscow that he and jeff sessions did indeed discuss the trump campaign and trump's position on policy matters that were important to russia in two conversations. this is a reference to the conversation at the mayflower hotel and the other at the rnc convention after the russian effort to influence the u.s. election for donald trump was indeed under way. and all of this comes, of course, with some context. donald trump lashing out at the man at the center of this article, jeff sessions, over what? well, over the recusal from the russia inquiry and that very odd "new york times" interview, donald trump did not apparently clear it with his legal team. then there was thursday's remarkable report in "the washington post" that donald
trump has been asking about his presidential power to pardon his staff, family, and even himself. the post reporting, trump has been fuming about the probe in recent weeks as he has been informed about the legal questions that he and his family could face. he's told aides he was especially disturbed after learning that mueller would be able to access several years of his tax returns. the focus on the president's family comes in the wake of donald trump's confirmation that he had that meeting in 2016 with jared kushner and paul manafort and a kremlin-linked lawyer who promised the dirt on hillary clinton. kushner has now agreed as well to be interviewed by the staff of the senate intelligence committee. this is going to happen on monday, and then right over to the house intelligence committee the next day, tuesday. donald trump jr. and paul manafort are also working with the judiciary committee to be interviewed, at least behind closed doors. all of this is in the front. this is the important stuff. then you have the other stuff, this shake-up in the west wing on who is going to speak for the white house.
sean spicer resigning and anthony scaramucci taking over today as communications director. >> i'm close personal friends with jay sekulow and with john dowd. and i'm making sure that we're on message and handling ourselves in the most aprop pree eighty way possible. i haven't been briefed yet by the white house counsel about what is appropriate to talk about from this podium. therefore, i don't want to take any questions related to russia. >> a source close to kushner said while he doesn't have an exact plan for an overall russia response, he's been angry there wasn't a more robust effort from the communications team. an outside adviser says spicer has publicly griped about the demands from kushner. joining us now is matt miller and david corn is back with us. and matt miller, as a
spokesperson, you know what i mean when i say, pay no attention to the man in front of the curtain because the big substantive story here does not seem to be who is giving out the talking points but rather this is a white house that is moving towards the compliance and as the president himself seems to be "the new york times" interview and potentially other actions moving to undermine the action. your view? >> i think you're absolutely right. i think one of the things we've learned about this white house now six months into this administration is that you can't trust what the spokespeople come out and say from the podium. you have to look at what donald trump does and what donald trump says. he made very clear this week that the most important thing to him is stopping this investigation.
he's angry at his attorney general because his attorney general recused himself, and the only reason you would be angry about that is if you somehow expected him, if he wasn't recused, to quash the investigation. >> right. >> i think it's the president we have to watch here, what he says and what he does behind closed doors. >> matt, when you were at doj, i'm sure there were times when where you have the president and the attorney general have words, communication, signals about the policies they want and how things are going. do you ever recall in your tenure of time where the president publicly voiced disclosure on how the attorney general's conduct personally affected the president? >> absolutely not. sometimes policy disagreements even became public, but what donald trump did was a full frontal attack not just on jeff sessions. people in washington get so caught up in personalities. it was an attack on the independence of the justice department. i think one of the most disappointing things jeff
sessions has done is when he came out and held that press conference yesterday on an unrelated topic, he didn't stand up for the department. he didn't stand up for the department's independence, for the special counsel. he kind of took a pass and laid down and took it from the president. that is an incredible demoralizing thing to see the supposed leader of the department do when the entire agency is under attack from the head of the executive branch. >> put that in the context of the discussions of pardon because a pardon has one prerequisite, and that is that a crime occurred. >> exactly. so the fact that he's talking about pardons to his aides, for himself, for his family members, i mean it indicates to me that he believes that bob mueller poses a threat. and not that bob mueller is going to write an op-ed column or that he's going to rally the republican base against republicans and against trump. no. he poses a threat because he's looking at issues that might become criminal.
a lot of us on the outside have been reporting on this without knowing whether or not crimes have been broken. we see, and you've talked about this, the theoretical possibility depending on the facts that come out. but donald trump is behaving as if he knows there's a real criminal risk here. one thing we do know, when if comes to people like bob mueller, we saw this with patrick fitzgerald in the scooter libby case. these folks tend to err on the side of not making things political and not indicting government officials close to the president unless they really feel they have a strong case. >> no, they're pretty careful. >> -- did not indict karl rove even though some of his fbi agents wanted him to. >> you mentioned the op-ed. a strongly worded op-ed can shake washington to its core. matt miller, before i let you go, i got to read to you senator mark warner basically says pardoning individuals who may have been involved in this would be crossing a fundamental line. he's obviously trying to draw a line, and it is possible to
abuse the pardon power, but does that strike you as potentially an overstatement when this is a power the president has to use? >> it's a power he has to use but he can't use it inappropriately. i think what he was doing with that interview, you know, when he attacked mueller and what these leaks of him contemplating the pardon power are doing is testing the boundaries of what he can get away with. firing jim comey is a red line, and he got away with it. i think what he's doing through these leaks is testing when republicans in congress are going to stand up and say no, and say this is an impeachable offense. we've heard a lot of silence since that pardon leak floated yesterday. if you're the president, you're watching that silence and wondering, maybe i can get away with this too. if he's going to be stopped, people are going to have to speak out before he does it, not afterwards. >> right. and to your point, it is bizarre for someone to say, let me
explore self-pardoning because that's like publicly ruminating on whether you might have committed a crime. >> right. >> it could be a lack of understanding. that's always the other possibility. but either way, it's bizarre. matt miller and david corn, thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up next, jared kushner revising yet another government disclosure form, this time about finances. and the president does not want robert mueller looking into the business dealings, but the president doesn't actually have a choice on it. that's next. boost. it's about moving forward, not back. it's looking up, not down. it's being in motion. boost® high protein it's intelligent nutrition with 15 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. boost® the number one high protein complete nutritional drink. so we know how to cover almost almoanything.hing even a swing set standoff.
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welcome back. president trump's son-in-law, jared kushner, has revealed he inadvertently omitted 77 assets from his personal financial discloser form filed with the office of government ethics. the previously undisclosed assets were revealed in this revised financial disclosure. this came out tonight, and it was first reported publicly by "the wall street journal." now, in isolation, updating a form like this is not that big a deal. but this is not an isolation, and with jared kushner, it is fitting a larger pattern. the journal reporting back in may that he did not disclose his business relationships with goldman sachs or billionaires george soros, a major democratic donor, or billionaire peter thiel. that was all in the first round financial disclosure. then in june the post reported cushier did not disclose a $285 million loan from deutsche bank that he received when, oh, just before election day. then a report in "the new york times" that kushner supplemented
the list of foreign contacts on his security clearance form three times, adding a total of 100 more names. i'm not done. this week, nbc news learned that robert mueller is gathering the financial records which we don't know but could include all of these kinds of records, and the business dealings of people close to the trump campaign. bloomberg reports mueller's looking into the business dealings of trump himself, something that trump basically says this week he believes would cross a red line. >> if mueller was looking at your finances and your family's finances unrelated to russia, is that a red line? >> i would say yes. >> joining me now is david cay johnston, who founded a nonprofit news organization focused on the trump administration. i'm also joined by joyce vance, a former u.s. attorney for the northern district of alabama. as a prosecutor, she has dealt with many evidentiary requests. your view of whether this is a
significant or in any way concerning update? >> well, pattern is exactly the right word. you know, if you have very large, complicated finances, and you forgot that next door to an apartment building you own, you bought a house so you wouldn't get complaints from the owner anymore, okay, fine. we understand that. or a brokerage account you forgot you had somewhere. this is way, way too much. it is again and again, it's meetings. it's money. this is clearly indicative of bad behavior. >> joyce, how do prosecutors look over these kind of records, and why is it important to an investigation? >> well, these patterns that we're seeing and this cumulative failure to disclose piece after piece of information will start
to give prosecutors some sense of whether witnesses and other people that they're looking at in this investigation are being truthful with them. and so when you see one small mistake or even a few small mistakes in the middle of a large portfolio, that's not as troubling as this ongoing pattern that i think will be very illustrative of the type of information mueller is looking to extract from financial records. >> when you do an investigation, you have sometimes what's considered contraband, something that's automatically bad if somebody's got it. and then you have other evidence that could be good or bad depending on what happens. consider what don trump jr. said publicly way back in 2008, a different context or maybe he wished he wouldn't have said it. quote, russians make up a pretty disproportionate cross section of a lot of our assets. we see a lot of money pouring in from russia. but, joyce, the special counsel is not going to treat just those assets as automatically bad or potentially criminal, right? it has to be finding those records plus what else? >> so i think that that's an
important point. people shouldn't be quick to rush to judgment and condemn the behavior that they see here. your tax records will give a picture of who you deal with and what kind of dealings you have, and many of those business dealings may be legitimate. there's also the possibility that some of these business dealings, even those that occurred decades ago, may begin to put together a story and lay a backdrop for events that occurred more recently. so prosecutors will look through that entire network of transactions. i'm not very impressed by these complaints that special counsel is beyond the scope of his mandate. he really needs to get this full picture and put into context more recent events. >> david, the other line here in that "washington post" report that hits your expertise, trump has told aides he was especially disturbed after learning mueller would be able to access several years of his tax returns. you know, david, there's talk on some college campuses about trigger warnings and something really disturbing, you have to be warned out before you hear
about it. why does it seem, at least according to "the washington post" report, quoting trump's own aides, that his tax returns require some kind of trigger warning? >> well, this is because donald's real vulnerability has always been his financial transactions, whether there's money laundering involved, whether he's been compromised, whether he was overpaid for properties when he was in trouble as part of an effort by the russians to make sure he would be their friend. and this has been his deep concern from day one about his finances. remember, the tax return is the beginning point of an inquiry. it's the books and records behind the tax return that will be really valuable. and by the way, back in may when mueller was appointed, one of the things i predicted was we would see trump complain that mueller was stepping outside his authority, and i felt the charter should have been more broadly drawn by rosenstein at the time so we wouldn't face
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conversations with attorney general jeff sessions. this morning we were learning about another russian official's take on american politics. this was an exclusive interview with nbc's keir simmons. sergey lavrov talking about how many times president trump and vladimir putin really met during the g20. >> we know about president putin and president trump meeting three times at the g20. they met obviously for the bilateral -- they met at the dinner and -- >> maybe they went to the toilet together. that was a fourth time. >> maybe they went to the toilet together. that is how the kremlin lets you know they do not respect the question you're asking or, more importantly, these issues. and in this exchange, lavrov continues his combative tone by suggesting the undisclosed meetings were really no different than children waiting in a hallway. >> when you are brought by your parents to kindergarten, do you mix with the people who are waiting in the same room to
start going to a classroom? >> it's the g20, though, not a kindergarten. >> well, but there is also a room where they get together before an event starts. they cannot arrive all at the same time on the bus. they arrive with their own motorcades, and then they are ushered in the room, which is a waiting room. so they might have met even much more than just three times. >> much more than three times. you can see the theme here. if lavrov seems smug about this whole line of inquiry, maybe that's because russia got what it wanted. as for the u.s., the a.p. is reporting that this whole dinner conversation raised red flags with advisers already concerned by the president's tendency to shun protocol and press ahead of outreach towards russia. the same report going on to say that national security adviser general h.r. mcmaster was warned that putin's not to be trusted. sergey lavrov gave his version of what he says happened when president trump brought up russian election hacking during the official meeting.
>> president trump raised the issue. president putin confirmed that we never did anything to interfere in the american elections and that he, president putin, got an impression that president trump accepted this explanation. he never -- putin never said that trump was happy about something he said on this. >> the issue, of course, is not whether he people in this meeting were happy or even sad. the issue of course that continues to hang over the trump administration regardless of the ultimate outcome of these domestic investigations, regardless of any culpability that may or may not exist inside america, is the larger national security question of whether russia will get away with what u.s. intelligence agencies say was meddling and what some observers have likened to cyber war. are we at the end or the beginning of dealing with that
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up his wife, and spent some minutes with president putin. so what? >> so what? i'm now joined by evelyn farkas, a former deputy assistant secretary of defense responsible for russia policy. she's also an msnbc national security analyst. and foreign policy expert max boot back with us. evelyn, tell us about the russian officials you've worked with and what prism that gives you on what we're seeing in this interview. >> yeah. yeah, ari, well, i did work with a -- i met foreign minister lavrov in my three years that i worked at the pentagon. of course i met the minister of defense and the deputy ministers of defense. this was a quintessential opportunity that lavrov did not waste to basically mess with america. he did it on three counts. first of all, he started to muddy the waters. how many times did they actually meet? how many times meetings did they have?
did they stand at the urinal and talk about substantive issues? we don't know. number two, he said president trump accepted president putin's denial of the meddling in our elections. we don't have a definitive authoritative readout of that meeting. it's one government's word against another. and then the third thing is, throughout the interview, he was disparaging the news media and the intelligence community using themes we hear a lot here in the u.s. it was disturbing on many levels but not surprising. >> evelyn, you nail it there there are the striking overlaps. and we all know the term talking points in domestic politics. but it seems that russia has the appearance of providing the talking point to sort of thread a needle on meddling because trump himself, prior to the interview we just aired last week, had basically said, well, i don't think putin said i said i accepted it. there's a difference.
he said that he thought it. they seem to be sort of landing on that gray zone. is that what you're hearing? >> maybe but i'm also hearing, ari, they're hinting they can control the narrative if they want. maybe they can blackmail the president. maybe they can convince the public that they're right. unfortunately, you know, some americans don't understand the full threat and intent that this government in the kremlin poses. >> max? >> well, i think ari the larger picture is we have a president who acts when he meets the russian president like a guyedy school girl meeting brad pitt or zach zac efron. he says it's an honor to meet you. rex tillerson talks about the chemistry they have. he spends an undisclosed time with no other americans president with putin. in and of itself, it makes you
wonder. but when we see the history of allegations of collusion between the trump campaign and the russians in the last election and we now have solid evidence of that inclusion in the meeting that trump junior had. and then you see the way that trump is now humble before putin. think about the summit where lavrov is the not usually credible but i accept what he is saying that trump more or less accepted putin's denials of russian involvement in the cyberattack. because if trump didn't accept that, he could come out and say that. he hasn't said so. he hasn't said, russia is responsible just as the intelligence community says. he hasn't said that. so his silence basically suggests that lavrov is right, that trump did not push that hard on this russian attack on america. we know that after this meeting he cut off the syrian rebels and he agreed to a cease-fire and a small part of syria because it's entrenching iranian and russian
control in that area and the most farcical thing of all is the fox guarding the hen house. so -- >> right. and the half life of that tweet was three hours. evelyn, the domestic political point is that it would be easier for president trump to talk tough on russia but he won't even do that with regard to the meddling. >> right. right. and i think it tells us, for some reason he's obviously enamored with president putin but also afraid to be too tough. i spent the day here with msnbc at the aspen security conference and we heard senior former officials, former cia directors, former dni talk about the fact that withholding that assistance to the syrian rebels, that those
who are moderates is actually going to create more terrorists. it's not in america's interests and this seems like if it was a secret deal, it must be a secret because we haven't heard the president in the white house come out and explain this to the american people. >> wow. it's a lot to chew on. i'd love to talk to you all about it again. evelyn farkas and max booth, thank you. i have a little announcement to make and that's next. and we covered it, july first, twenty-fifteen. talk to farmers. we know a thing or two because we've seen a thing or two. ♪ we are farmers. bum-pa-dum, bum-bum-bum-bum ♪
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dramatic story about an alleged sexual relationship with moore in 1992 that led to an abortion when she was 15 years old. during the interview she repeatedly pressed post reporters to give their opinions on the effects her claims could have on the moore candidacy if she went public. the post never reported the unsubstantiated story. instead they researched the woman trying to push the story. they found a website with someone with the same name, jamie phillips, for her to work in the conservative media movement to combat the lies and deceit of liberal mainstream media. closed quote. according to "washington post," they followed her to her home and saw her going to the new york office of project seritas. it sets up sting operations, such as acorn. the trump foundation donated $10,000 to the group in 2015. last wednesday phillips met with a post reporter at a restaurant in alexandria, virginia. phillips had arrived early and
was waiting. her purse resting on the table. when mccrumben put her purse next to phillips purse to block a possible camera shot, phillips moved hers. mccrumben confronted her about her story, let's watch. >> do you still have an interest in, as this says, combatting the lies and deceit of the liberal msm? do you still have an interest in working in the conservative media movement to combat the lies and deceit of the liberal msm? is that -- is that still your interest? >> no, not really. >> yeah. >> not at this point. >> mumble, mumble. the post also confronted project veritas founder james o'keeffe. let's watch that. >> does jamie phillips work for project veritas. did you guys send her to pose ta
victim of roy moore to the post. >> i'm 15 minutes late. i've got to run. >> jamie phillips, does she work for project veritas? >> he was quiet, wasn't he. he told hem to come back later. he was waiting from a confrontation of his own. >> does jamie phillips work for project veritas? are you going to answer that question? >> i'm going to have a few things to say here. we're going to talk for a while. >> second question. >> yeah. >> are you working with roy moore? >> okay. so -- >> are you working with steve bannon? >> i'm going to ask -- >> are you working with the republican party? >> no -- >> are you working with the republican party of alabama. >> i'm joined by usa today, national political reporter for axios, and the political editor at the root. one thing i love about this story, besides people getting caught with sneaky business on trying to put a punk job on the
"washington post," on selling a salacious story, a punking operation. it shows that real newspapers with real editors and to be honest with you, grown ups have been around a few times on the ride here who spot and smell deceit. they saw this as a setup. >> you know the musical schoolhouse rock, how a story gets into print with real journalism. this was paeople acting just lie you want them to act. show it in journalism schools. listen to an unsolicited comment from somebody. you don't take it at face value. check it out and confront them if you find it's false and phony. good for them. >> i can see this story running if the post had fallen for the trap, big splash, 15-year-old claims she had an abortion after being impregnated by roy moore, the next day, the breitbart sort of organization, veritas, a bad
nasty offense. if we can destroy "the washington post," then all the people in alabama, just shows you can't trust those northern reporters. they're out to get us. >> that's the thing. there were two parts of this video that struck me. everyone in my department was teaching this today. it wasn't the matter of how degrading and despicable it is to have a woman pretend to be a victim of abuse. >> and she had an abortion because of it, all lies. >> how many times do you get the reporters to say this would harm roy moore. even if they got them on tape say, yes, this would damage them. they want to prove bias if they can't prove the reporters -- >> they report a pocketbook, a purse if you will, on the table, apparently every time the legitimate "washington post" reporter would walk in for two of the meetings there happened to be a big purse sitting on the table and she puts her purse, this is like black spy, white
roy moore said the allegations to him were completely false and malicious, let's watch. >> why are they doing this? well, i'm going to tell you why they're doing this. they're trying to hide the true issues, which faked the people in this country and state that they want resolved. it's no different than when the "washington post" brought out the russian investigation at a time when president trump is trying to get his agenda passed. everybody knows i have not one -- run one negative ad. but i'm going to take off some gloves and show the truth in this campaign. >> well, somebody's put some gas in this guy's tank. he looks like he might win now. >> i always thought he was going to win, chris. >> really? >> at the core issue here you have a lot of conservative republican voters who view the democratic party as inherently immoral. if you've got groups of people, not a criticism, just a fact, if you've got groups of people who think that two consenting men
having sex is a greater sin, that is a greater sin than what they think roy moore might have possibly done. i always thought he was going to win the election. if it ever looks like he's not winning, those are undecided voters. >> these are various questions that surmount any act of personalvilleny at all. >> exactly. >> i don't think we know that yet. roy moore -- >> what do you think of this third guy coming in, lee buzz by, he's a write-in candidate, lee busby, he usually votes republican. let's watch how that affects life. take a listen to him. >> were you a supporter of roy moore before the allegations of child molestation? what chienanged your mind that couldn't voit for roy moore? >> it was not the swirl going on. not that at all. i've got no interest in it. i hope they get it sorted out
but it's not my interest. i don't know roy moore. i've never met him. through there's a sense of self-tryiself- rig right -- >> jason, he looks attractive, i hate to make judgments, he seemed like raw material there for a candidate. got the right accent. seems rough and ready. i don't know what to make of him. >> it's sort of wes clark of alabama, tough and macho. i think at the end of the day, though, i don't think this ends up making that much of a difference. if you're someone who's offended by roy moore, and the republicans, like i cannot vote for this guy, then you write for the write-in candidate. there are enough people, look, we need those votes in the senate. i don't think the first party candidate -- >> who wins because this third guy entering the race, he's pro life like roy moore, if you're
pro life and you can't vote -- you're against gay rights too, whatever, maybe he's the safe way to vote against roy moore without voting for the enemy. >> it is, but i still think he votes for roy moore. >> it helps the democrat, but it's irrelevant to the outcome, i would guess. >> i agree. >> how can it be irrelevant if you still think roy moore might loud? >> we don't know. turnout's going to be low. >> if the -- jason, you made a great point, repeat it about when people said they hadn't made up their mind. they had made up their mind. they were for moore. >> that's basically 101 in political science. we saw those numbers occur during the worst week of these allegations and suddenly you have 8% saying undecided. they're not undecided. busby may end making a difference if it's a close race. it's a five or six-point win.
>> chris, do you want to vote for the accused pedophile? this is like -- if we're going to test the gap between what you said in the surveyor and reality. >> i don't know about that. i'd like to know the fact feature, susan page, you're holding your powder try, jonathan swan and jason, i think you know where you're going on this one. coming up, the russia investigation, connecting the dots of collusion we know right now. we're going to talk to luke harding, and author of the new book "collusion." you know what that's about. he's got the story, that's ahead. when trump called senator elizabeth warren pocahontas, she was -- was he propping her up for a presidential run in 2020? it looked like he was building her up. senator warren is here tonight to talk about that. and donald trump campaign, like a -- he's looking out for the donors, look at the trump tower tax cut.
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i think you will probably be rewarded mightily by our press. >> welcome back to hardball. that was donald trump making his famous overture to russia during the campaign. as we know now russia was already trying to help trump win the election. in his new book collusion, how russia helped donald trump win, luke harding, the former moscow bureau chief of the guardian connects the dots. writing about the book in the "new york times," michelle goldberg says it's difficult to see the big picture with so many new revelations emerging so regularly. one uncanny aspect of the investigation, there's too much evidence. incidents that would be major scandals in a normal administration become minor subplots in this one. harding's book brings the bigger picture into focus. i'm joined by luke harding and
our friend paul butler. luke, let me ask you about this. what do you have that ties together trump with russia that say "the new york times" hasn't been able to get? >> well, chris, i think to understand the story of donald trump and collusion you have to go back to the cold war and to donald trump's first trip to soviet moscow in 1987. and one thing i discovered when i was investigating was the soviet government, the communist government wooed donald trump, paid for his trip. brought him over. his travel was arranged by a soviet travel agency, the kgb. i think it's pretty clear this was a cultivation attempt, which fizzled out, but then kind of was renewed in the last four or five years before donald trump became u.s. president. >> you know, i've long heard that russians like to have -- before of after the soviet union liked to have an american, their
american, and use him for everything. they always feel comfortable that way. is this that kind of case, they picked out who they wanted to deal through? >> yeah, if you look at the kind of secret kgb memos from this period, extremely instructive, looking to recruit people from all over the place, particularly americans, certain personality traits, narcissistic, corruptible, not very good analysts, not faithful in their marriages. and really you look at all these categories and then you get to donald trump being, as i said, brought over. and then i think a process of reengagement with him about four or five years ago which led to the extraordinary events of last year. >> luke, you write down a guilty plea of former campaign adviser george pop dop list that's -- now there's evidence of collusion. it was impossible to read the legal documents with their cold
and 90% accurate. it's very damning indeed and it explains why we get vekted tweets from the president who dismisses this as fake news. unfortunately for him it's not fake news. >> paul, when you look at all this evidence, it's scattered, but it's all over the place and there's a lot of it. do you see a criminal enterprise charge here, something like a reko, if you put it together, somebody must mast ter minding, so much money potentially involved in all these dealings? >> well, that's what special counsel mueller has 16 of the country's best prosecutors and even more fbi agents looking. so the concern is that collusion is not a crime, not even a crime for the president to be more loyal to the russians than to the american process of democracy. it's the political part that's supposed to prevent that, not the criminal law. conspiracy is illegal. and so if there's evidence of
conspiracy to hack hillary's e-mails, or to solicit foreign campaign contributions, then somebody's going down. and, again, that's the subject of the special counsel investigation. >> luke harding, one of the earliest leads you followed was trump's history of dealing with russia as a business guy, something he's adamantly denied ever since the campaign. let's watch. >> i own nothing in russia. i have no loans in russia. i don't have any deals in russia. i have no relationship to russia whatsoever. i have nothing to do with russia. i have no investments in russia. none whatsoever. i don't have property in russia. i have no dealings with russia. i have no deals in russia. i have no deals that could happen in russia because we've stayed away. >> luke, if he were to say that under oath, all that under oath, would he be a perjurier?
>> ultimately that's for a kind of lawyer to decide. in my view yes, i think he would be on several 4re68 levels we know when he went in 1987 it was to discuss building a trump hotel in the center of moscow. from my perspective this was a dangle, held out as bait to donald trump. 30 years later he's still discussing the same project. we know from revelations in the "new york times" that michael cohen, trump's lawyer, was sending an e-mail as late as early 2016 to vladimir putin's press guy saying help us build this tower. meanwhile, trump is on the campaign saying, wouldn't it be good if we had better relations with russia and with vladimir. the flow is from moscow to trump than from trump to moscow. >> thank you so much. up next, senator elizabeth warren plays hardball. get her thoughts on how democrats should fight the
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campaign. back to hardball. welcome to hardball. since president trump was elected last november, opponents of his policies have not shied away from protests, not our president, the day after the election. to the hundreds of thousands who took to the streets for the women's march back in january and the disabled protesters who swarmed capitol hill to combat senate republicans attempt to repeal obamacare. as republicans continue full speed ahead in the effort to ram through a major tax overhaul with a vote expected later this week the streets and hallways of the capitol have been largely empty. only a few protesters gathered outside. president trump was on capitol hill with republican holdouts. with congress facing a december
8th deadline to avoid government shutdown, chuck schumer and nan nancy pelosi pulled out of a meeting. the president wrote, quote, meeting with chuck and nancy about keeping government open and working. the problem is they want illegal immigrant immigranted frood flooding our country and want to substantially raise taxes. that's no deal. on the senate floor schumer called the plan session a show meeting. >> unfortunately this morning, instead of leading, the president tweeted a blatantly inaccurate statement and then concluded i don't see a deal. the president said i don't see a deal. three hours before our meeting, before he heard anything we had to say. given that the president doesn't see a deal between democrats and the white house, leader pelosi and i believe the best path forward is to continue negotiating with our republican
counterparts in congress instead. senator schumer also called the republican tax plan a gift to the wealthy. let's listen. >> if the president and the republican congress set out to pass a middle class tax cut as they claim, this bill completely misses the mark. >> i'm joined by democratic senator elizabeth warren from massachusetts. you're a fire brand. you know how to make a case. are you impressed by the democratic opposition to this tax bill? >> this tax bill is terrible -- >> r-- are you impressed by the leadership. >> we need to be strong against it. right now, about two out of every three people in america think it is a bad tax bill. and yet the republicans just keep jamming it forward. you know, we talked about today, the fact that what the republicans are trying to do here is they want to give away about a trillion 1/2 dollars to giant corporations, and then
they want to have higher taxes on people making less than $75,000 a year. and they want to raise taxes on students. people have to borrow money in order to go to school. this is a terrible plan. and the real question has to be, with two out of three americans opposed to this plan, why do the republicans keep pushing it? i'll tell you why. they keep pushing it because it's a payoff to their big donors. that's what the republicans are here for. in fact, some of them have admitted it, quite openly, that they're here to help their big donors. if they don't their big donors may pull money from the next election, and not help them get reelected. >> is one of the reasons why the democrats are so anemic and fighting, they have the same rich donors? i'm tired. i saw a lot of activity, last january, a lot of resistance in the street. i don't see it now, senator. i don't see the action out there against this bill. where is it visually? it doesn't seem to be obvious.
>> but if you ask people around the country they get what this tax bill is about, chris. they understand that this is a tax bill to help the rich. they see it, they taste it, they feel it. and if the republicans ram this thing through, they're going to explode the debt, they're going to raise taxes on hard-working families. and by the way, even today, we had the nominee in to be the chair of the federal reserve bank. and he admitted that when you raise taxes on people making less than $75,000 a year, what you do to the economy is you pull demand out of the economy. that's going to be hard on the economy overall. when you explode the debt, that's something america's going to have to pay for down the line. it is fiscally irresponsible, democratically irresponsible. >> do you have a sense that -- i looked at the bill like you're the expert on the bill. i looked at the bill and i noticed one thing that states like new york, connecticut,
massachusetts, new jersey, california, blue states are being penalized. do you believe the president sat down with his people and besides getting their piece of the port they wanted, they wanted benefits for the wealthy and their donor class, i agree with all that, that they targeted the states that voted for secretary clinton? they seem to have done that. is this a penalty box situation for the people who voted for the opposition? >> they have targeted the states that actually are responsible, the states that say, you know, we're going to tax ourselves a little bit more so that we can provide better education for our kids, so that we can invest more in infrastructure, so that we can put some dollars on the table for research, so that we can build a stronger future. and now what the republicans want to do is they want to say we want you to pay a penalty for that. we want you to be double taxed on that. >> all right. >> we don't want you who are out there trying to build an economy
that works not just for a thin slice at the top, but an economy that works for all of us. we want to try to get in the way of that. we want to stick a stick in the spokes. you know, in massachusetts, we work hard, and we do. we tax ourselves so we can make investments in building a future for all of our kids. and what the republicans don't like is we show in massachusetts how we can make government work for all of us. that's something the republicans don't want to hear. >> so have you excluded the possibility it's a political penalty as well for voting for his opponent? >> you know, look, i don't know the motives. i can't look into the motives of these guys. but what i sure can do is see what they're actually doing. >> okay. >> they're taking states like massachusetts, that are doing a great job, and they're saying we're going to raise your costs, we're going to double tax you here, because we don't like you building a future for your kids. >> okay. let me ask you about this -- i'm a student of modern political
histories. you know, i watched you lynn don johnson promoted rirchd richard nixon by calling him out. he elevated nixon. nixon got the time to respond to him. it seems in a weird ironic way, the one state that didn't like nixon, massachusetts, it seems like he's promoting with this pocahontas nonsense. he can't get off of you. is he afraid of you and ironically is he helping promote people wanting you to be his opponent next time? >> what happened yesterday, i don't think this is about politics. this is really appalling. that was supposed to be a ceremony yesterday to honor native americans who have fought for this country during world war ii, who had put it all on the line and saved countless lives, americans and our allies. incredible men who are now in
their 90s, to honor them, to honor their families. and he just couldn't make it through without a racial slur. >> yeah. >> you know, i think that donald trump thinks that by doing that he's going to shut me up. but he's not. i'm still going to get out there and i'm going to talk about this terrible tax bill. i'm going to get out there and i'm going to talk about the consumer agency and why we need a consumer agency that fights for families instead of one that's just another big wet kiss for wall street. >> pocahontas is going to be your bugle call. every time he does this you're going to come back fighting? >> it's wrong for him to do this. it's wrong. it's not just ridiculous, it's wrong. >> senator elizabeth warren of massachusetts, thank you for the fire brand performance tonight. up next, republicans pushing ahead with the trump tower tax
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at the center of our plan are tax cuts for the working americans. according to estimates this bill will do anything but what he just said. independent organizations like the kopgsal budget office and the joint committee on -- the legislation will provide $1 trillion in tax cuts for corporations as well as changes to the tax code that will benefit the very wealthy. lower income americans would be forced to pay higher taxes. a quinnipiac university poll says the majority of americans believe. a real majority disprove of the bill. i'm joined by barney frank of massachusetts. congressman frank, what's the worst part of this bill if you had to put it in order? >> well, the overall distribution, the fact that it mostly goes to the wealthier people. i have a specific objection in someone who believes in government has a responsibility, that we have a responsibility for the government to respond, that they are not only trying to
disable the federal government from coming together to meet our needs, they want to penalize the states that have stepped up. if a state is willing to enact taxes in its political process so it's better able to deal with problems, that state gets penalized in the way they take away certain tax deductions. it's clearly intended not to simply reduce the amount of money allowed by the federal level to do major programs -- we have the president talking about the opioid crisis and providing no money for it. we go on and on and there's better -- no money for it. but what he's doing is penalizing those states that have been willing the people of the states to tax themselves by increasing the taxes that they're going to have to pay. so along with the overall, that is the final point aimed at
reducing the money the federal government has to do things. other programs, they know too popular to do it on their own, two-step, first create a larger deficit by overall tax reduction, and say they can't afford the programs. >> let me ask you, do you think this is pay back for the states? if you enumerate them, massachusetts, your state, new york, connecticut, new jersey, pennsylvania, certainly california their states that -- not pennsylvania, all those other states, the east and west voted against him for president. is this the penalty box, is this getting even? >> that's part of it, but for them it's a two fer. it carries out the ideological view, that you disable government. look, we've seen this playing out in the consumer bureau panel. they've got a court decision today. the purpose of having mcmuick
mulvaney there was to shut it down. they don't want to interfere. and by the way, you're right, obviously to point out he said this was for the working guy. people should understand the way he plans to do this. his view is that by cutting the corporate tax out of the good goodness of their hearts, the corporations have more and more money available will voluntarily raise wages. that is, of course, something for which we have no evidence whatsoever. he is justifying -- and by the way, there was reason to cut the corporate tax some. the argument that cutting the corporate tax will primarily benefit or substantially benefit wage earners because of those corporations that have now become much more profitable will decide to increase the wages, there's no evidence of that whatsoever. >> thank you, u.s. congressman barney frank, thank you for coming on here. we're bringing in the round table here. anna palmer, a very powerful person, senior washington
correspondent for playbook, and kimberly atkins. i'm starting with you, i get the peeling, kimberly, i think the democratic opposition has been weak, it's been almost anemic. i don't hear -- this tax bill gets rid of basically doubles the exemption for the estate tax, give up to $22 million to your kids, lowers the top income rate, a lot of money, gets rid of corporate all together, and it disables, basically, obamacare. it's horrible from a progressive point of view or even a moderate point of view. yet it's still in the works and probably will pass. why haven't the democrats been able to bdestroy this thing. >> they've followed the same way, let the republicans' horrible plan, the fact that they are being forced to take a risky vote, this vote, it depends on what you mean about -- >> whether it passes, only a couple steps down from the
president. >> overall people want tax cuts. but americans hate this bill. i think the democrats have done a fairly good job of messaging that this is really for the wealthier americans, that it's really bad for the lower and middle class people. >> is it going to win the argument? i'm sorry, kimberly they're likely to receive -- they want the other side to score the touchdown so they can complain about it in the next election. >> the democrats can't stop the republicans from passing a bad bill. >> i think they want something to run against. anna? >> i think they have not done what they did with health care, they were able to personalize it and bring up people who said i'm going to lose my health care. my grandma's not going to be able to have her chemo, long-term health care issues that were personal, story telling ability, tax cuts is not something they've been able to message on. i think it's a strategy. i think this is a lot more about the senate and chuck schumer being able to keep moderates, get her to not vote for this is a big deal. >> how about they would like the
six endangered republicans to run for it. if those people break with the republican majority, if they break with them and vote the right way, they won't have a hammer to hit them with, the democrats. >> you would think the democrats would be working back room magic on that front. they haven't. the democrats have been lowballing this, taking this approach that maybe the republicans will continue to fail on the messaging effectively, which they have. >> who's going to win friday night? are we going to be sitting here friday and say the republicans won? >> i think so. >> it looks better than it did earlier today. >> if the republicans want to beat the bill they have failed. are you sure they wanted to beat it? >> i don't think they have any ability to do that. >> let's take a look. a group of more than a dozen democratic senators, criticized the bill and suggest that without major changes it's unlikely they would get any democratic support. listen. >> rather than rush this thing through, rather than trying to find a pathway forward and
people are looking for different gimmicks, if you will, use us as the gimmick. >> this is good faith, an effort to say let's do this as a nation, as the american team. i want everybody to know we're ready to go. >> we are all hopeful that this misguided attempt that is anything but regular order fails so that we can then come together and work as bill nelson said, in a bipartisan way. >> i don't know if they're all moderates. i spotted progressives in that group, ron wyden, in other words. what do you think, kimberly, do you think that six is going to shake the six republicans loos.? >> i don't know if they'll shake the republicans loose. it was a missed opportunity by mitch mcconnell to bring them on board. >> was he allowed? >> i don't know if he was allowed. he made a decision early that this was a republican-only project and that the democrats would not be part of negotiating
this. >> what is mcconnell going to offer them that the conservatives who have been pushing this -- >> not for an offer, they want to destroy obamacare. >> the senate was the one putting the mandates in this bill to repeal the mandates. so i don't know what the -- what mcconnell or any republican senators are going to offer a mansion and others. >> i love personal politics. mccain doesn't like this president, flake doesn't like this president, corker doesn't like him. will those three guys go over to vote the tax bill to make themselves look good. would they keep the love affair with their contributors than their anger against the president? >> i think it will be tough mccain to vote for this, after standing up before and refusing. >> you're romantic. kimberly, you're a romantic. hatred is good. i'm kidding. go ahead. >> i think, look, bob corker voted for this in the budget committee. they're going to come together on the deficit.
i think it looks more likely tonight. >> your party's looking bad here. >> no, i think this whole thing is mishandled. i think they should have stopped the process a room and done it the regular order way. >> well said. but you've avoided the question. if they'd done it by the regular, ended up with the same bill, would you be for it? >> no. >> why are we arguing about the order? >> i think the pressures would have been different. now the pressures is to pass something, we don't care what it is. >> i think this is pigs at the trough. you're watching "hardball." use every possible resource. to fight cancer. and never lose sight of the patients we're fighting for. our cancer treatment specialists share the same vision. experts from all over the world, working closely together to deliver truly personalized cancer care. and these are the specialists we're proud to call our own. expert medicine works here. learn more at cancercenter.com appointments available now.
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and that is going to wrap up this hour of msnbc live. katie tur is going to take over. it's 11:00 a.m. out west, it's 2:00 p.m. in washington where it is day two of french president emanuel macron are meeting at the white house. we'll see if that special relationship between macron and the president can change the president's mind on a host of issues, primarily the iran nuclear deal. even as the president hosted his french counterpart, mr. trump was pressed on issues here at home. and at this afternoon's joint press conference, it was his embattled pick to be the next secretary of veterans affairs. >> i haven't heard of the particular allegations, but i will tell you, he's one of the finest people that i have met. admiral jackson, dr. jackson, he's a wonderful man.
i said to him, what are you needed for? and as far as experience is concerned, the veterans administration which is approximately 13 million people, is so big, you koucould run the biggest hospital system in the world that is small time compared to the veteran's administration, so nobody has the experience, he's a high quality person. i said what are you needed for? it's totally his decision, but he'll be making a decision. >> the senate committee on veterans affairs said this morning they are postponing the confirmation hearing for ronnie jackson, president trump's choice to be the next va secretary. a white house official said the scope of the allegations are not yet clear. but "the new york times" reports that lawmakers are now examining allegations that jackson oversaw a hostile work environment as the white house physician. and allowed the overprescribing of drugs. they also have received claims
wouldn't want this for anybody, he's a good man, he wouldn't want to deal with anybody, it's disgusting, he's ultimately going to make his own decision. >> reporter: i read that the same way as you, katie. >> i think we're having an issue with jeff. let's go over to garrett. >> reporter: we can make this argument that jackson was being unfairly maligned by the press and he made this argument also that democrats were targeting ronnie jackson because they had previously tried to derail the confirmation of the secretary of state. you got the sense that the president was trying to make the case that ronnie jackson was one of the finest men he ever met, but the president was in many ways giving jackson the
opportunity to step aside if he saw fit. let's listen to what the president had to say. >> i don't want to put a man like this through this process, it's too ugly, and too disgusting. >> are you saying, mr. president, that you would stand behind him? >> i would stand behind him. if i were him? in my ways, i would love to be him, but the fact is, i wouldn't be him. >> reporter: you can plainly see the unexpected issues of governing, he didn't pick mr. jackson because he had a deep well of managing large organizations. he said mr. jackson didn't have that, most people don't. and he said that he thought this would be smooth sailing, we know that certainly wasn't the case. it appears the president picked ronnie jackson without the proper vetting because he likes him personally. he had a strong personal rapport and the president gave him that
clean bill of health after he had his physical. but mr. jackson says he's still looking forward to continuing in this process. >> it you were able >> you were able to catch up with ronnie jackson while he was up on capitol hill. >> reporter: if we take the president at his word about the conversations he had with jackson. he had these conversations with the veterans affairs committee, just as the president was speaking, he left the hill a few minutes before the president made those comments publicly. what dr. jackson told me is he's looking forward to answering all the questions about him. although when i asked him those questions, he didn't answer them to me. dr. jackson, can you say anything about all these allegations that have come out about you in the last couple of days? >> i'm looking forward to getting the hearing rescheduled and answering everybody's
giant offravrmp. if you want to leave, you can sail right out the door and i wish you well. >> and also democrats saying once pompeo got through the committee and pompeo will probably get okayed as the nominee for secretary of state, the democrats went and looked for somebody else to, he did not say torture, but to tear down and derail the confirmation process. but when you think about the vetting that this senawhite hou does, they're in trouble about the vetting of paul manafort or rick gates, the vetting wasn't done there. donald trump refused to be vetted himself. often when you're running for the white house, you let your team vet you to get ready for things that you might get attacked about in the white house.
the president doesn't care particularly to vet anybody in there administration. do we know how the vetting process works, even if there's a team of people at the white house? >> there is a team of people who handle that at the white house and they work for the chief of staff in this case john kelly, so this is raising new questions about john kelly's role in overseeing all of this. as part of the vetting that is done, there are often times conversations with, in this case, it woulders on the hill, whether or not the nominee would have an easy nomination process. it appears that that conversation didn't even happen. so if the white house isn't doing the careful vetting on the small things, what sort of big picture issues are they missing as well. >> mitch mcconnell was asking the nomination process a moment ago, let's play that. >> with regard to the jackson nomination, i'm waiting to hear from both chairman isaacson from the administration, what they believe the way forward should be, and we'll take our queues from them. >> mr. mcconnell, did you meet with dr. jackson? >> so the president says it's dr. jackson's decision, senator mcconnell says it's the white house's decision, they're waiting to hear their queues from the white house. it does sound like they're waiting for jackson to bow out. that this confirmation is not going to go forward, am i right? kevin barron, are you there? executive editor of defense one. i assume the viewers just knew your face and wouldn't actually need an sbintroduction. >> it's business as usual at the white house, so this nomination is already off the rails before it really began. and, yeah, it sounded today like the president gave him an offramp. but he still wanted him. in the same breath, the president said he wouldn't put himself through the process, but he did, he's the president, he
knows how this goes. so i'm less worried about the lack of -- i'm not so worried about business as usual, because this is what we have come to expect. it does sounuoes sound like it hands of whether he wants to go through this or not, so i guess we'll have to wait and see. >> let's wait and see if dr. jackson does bow out of the white house. who would where be on the top of the va's list for a person to run that agency, kevin? >> we >> well, it wouldn't be their decision. >> people who run the va right now, people who work at the va, veterans advocates groups, what kind of person would they want to see lead the va going forward if they don't have shulkin and if they don't get ronnie jackson. >> it's an enormous organization to a very specific group.
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declared their meetings today successful, the iran nuclear deal threatens to increase pressures. these are issues that macron holds the opposite view on. >> translator: you consider the iranian deal, the jcpoa, the one negotiated in 2015 with iran is a bad deal. for a number of months, i've been saying that this was not a sufficient deal, but that it enabled us, at least until 2025 to have some control over their nuclear activities. >> this is a deal with decayed foundations, it's a bad deal, it's a bad structure. it's falling down. we're going to see what happens on the 12th. >> so the big question we are asking today on this story is, can president macron get donald trump to change his mind.
phillip, thanks for being with us, we appreciate it. when macron goes in and meets with the french president, wants him to go back to the paris act koract -- accord, what is he using to get donald trump to potentially change his mind? >> it seems that relationship we have now seen over the last 24 hours in fact, they seem to truly get along very well, the french president and the u.s. president, we saw that in mt. vernon yesterday, we also saw that at the white house, but it really is a contrast between how they get along as presidents and the views they actually have, which as you say are completely different from one to the other. and it looks like the french president didn't get all too much out of his meetings at the
white house. there are many ways of looking at this right now, there are ma getting briefs saying they believe they got a concession from the u.s. president, that contention being that he, president trump will now look at the nuclear deal in a bigger frame work, that means he will be looking at the nuclear deal and several other deals on the side. but from the press conference at the white house just a short while ago, the u.s. president says he's going to make a decision on the 12th of may, he looked at the president emanuel macron right next to him and said you know very well what kind of a decision i will take. and he didn't exactly get a smile back from his french counterpart. in other words it still looks like that departure by the u.s. from the iran nuclear deal is very likely indeed. you saw them speak and say they both got what they wanted out of
this, but i was at the white house earlier today but it didn't look good to see the u.s. president attack that nuclear deal while standing and sitting next to the french president. the president knows very well that president macron came here with a few things to talk about, none more important to try and convince the president to stay in the nuclear deal with iran. it is very unlikely that he proceeded in getting precisely that. >> let me ask you that, if he doesn't walk away with a major concession, having him stay in the iran nuclear deal, which is a very big deal for the french president, or getting back in the paris climate accords or something else. what good is it to be seen walking around holding our president's hand to be accepting a kiss on the cheek, smiling as he brushes dust off his lapel, does he risk his reputation back in france having looked so chummy with the president and walking away with nothing? >> he certainly risks something
there, because remember that u.s. president donald trump is very, very unpopular in france and indeed in large parts of the rest of europe. so why would the french president indeed come to the white house and be so chummy with his american counterpart. one would presume to come out of here with an end product. it's unlikely there will be an end product to give to the french people if you will and indeed president macron's counter parts in the uk and in germany. they had a strategy meeting between macron and merkel before the french president arrived here about how to tackle these important issues including the nuclear deal. it looks like president macron is not going to go home with too much to show. you mention the paris accord, there's not much to get president trump to sign up for the paris climate deal again. what the president also wanted
was some extensions from not getting those trade tariffs on steel and aluminum imports imposed on france and other european union countries, no confirmation yet on whether he got that either. this was indeed a pretty risky trip for the french president, and it still is, more than anything, because he's been very, very friendly indeed with a person who is very unpopular in europe. now the frame work that emanuel macron has been giving to this visit hiere in washington is tht this is a strong relationship between france and the united states, a historically strong one and that is why they need to show that they can get along. >> white house correspondent come back soon please. and senior counselor for the albright stone bridge group and
an msnbc contributor. thanks for being here. a lot of folks will say that france's president is trying to manipulate the president, trying to play the long game, by being very chummy, in a way that angela merkel cannot or teresa may cannot, but if he walks away leaving with nothing, does it show, one, that the president is just stone minded and is not going to move on these issues? or that ultimately that he just doesn't have any real influence? >> i think we're about to find out over the next couple of weeks, president macron gave president trump offramps, he gave him an offramp about keeping troops in syria for a while, because it's part of a larger strategy to deal with iran and to build a political settlement in syria. he gave president trump an offramp on the joint conference of plan of action, the iran deal,ing let's leave that
post here, but let's build three other posts and we will then have a big house that will cover all of our concerns about iran. i suspect he will also say you have a new secretary of state likely to be confirmed shortly, so why don't you give him some time to work with us. so i think that president macron has given on several issues here, he's saying that the paris climate agreement is not just about france. and we will see if any of those offramps will be taken by the president and see if macron can say that he made progress here. >> this can also be a north korea issue as well, because if america is seen to be pulling out of the iran deal, what assurance does iran have that any agreements will be honored in the future.
and kim jong-un opened and honorable today and then a reporter followed up on that in the bilat a moment ago, asking why he would call a dictator who just recently sent back one of our citizens in pretty bad shape and dies a short time later, an honorable person. >> you mentioned today that you thought that the leader of north korea has behaved openly and honorably. this is something that many people have accused of starving his people, killing family members. what did you mean when you called him that? >> i think we're doing very well, meetings are being set up. and i want to see denuclearization of north korea, a lot of concessions have already been made, we have made no concessions despite some of the media saying i have made concessions. >> what is the president's strategy here, obviously it's very different from other leaders before him. >> i think what he's frying to
do is create a positive pathway to a summit. quite frankly if any other person, democrat or republican, donald trump would have said it's outrageous to stay that a dictator that oppresses off the human rights in this country, lets people starve, and takes other country's citizens as hostages is open and honorable. we know where things stand, we're not naive, we're going to have talks at this summit. i know what i'm doing. kim jong-un understands that as well. i think all would have been able to say, okay, let's that's a ' good first step, let's go on. >> i wonder what otto warmbier's family ask thinking and other families that have family
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president trump continues to be dogged by questions about the investigation of his long-term personal lawyer michael cohen. today the day of the president's first state visit with the leader of france was no exception. >> mr. president what about michael cohen -- >> thank you very much. [ inaudible ] >> stupid question. >> is it a stupid question? if cohen knows there's a pardon on the horizon, could it keep him quiet? or quieter? and is there a chance of cohen caving better than not? even president trump suggested today it could be a legal minefield. the executive editor of bloomberg blind field and chuck rosenberg is former u.s.
attorney and senior fbi official. tim, let's start with you, i wanted to get the sense of michael cohen, he's been pretty loyal to donald trump, you've obviously had dealings with him, what is your sense of how far michael's low pressure systyalt? >> i think anybody that's been around donald trump for any any lgtd of time that donald trump's loyalty is a one-way street. outside of his family, his children, his loyalty doesn't really extend very far beyond that. and that has to be weighing heavily in michael cohen's mind. a think a little bit of daylight came between cohen and the president the day that the fbi raided cohen's office. he said it was disgusting, the fbi knocked on my lawyer's door and they bursted into his office. and michael cohen said it was actually a little bit more polite. this is a guy who historically has said i will take a bullet for the president, i'll do
anything to protect him. and in this moment when the chips finally came out on the table, he was saying no, i have a different recollection. >> a source told me that cohen basically knew that the president was speaking right to him when he was holding that news conference, when he was sitting in that cabinet spray, supposed to be talking about syria, but instead talking about michael cohen and how disgusting it was that the fbi raided his office. in hearing that, chuck, that the idea that cohen might have thought the president was talking directly to him, what would your legal take be on that? >> well, i don't know who the president was talking to, katie, i do know this. >> but if a witness thinks that a subject or a target of an investigation thinks a person who could pardon them is talking directly to them when he says, hey, listen, this was a disgusting and terrible raid, as a prosecutor, what would you
take from that? >> yeah, so as a prosecutor, it's possible that the president is saying to a witness, a potential witness, stay strong, i have your back. if and only if mr. cohen, you have mine. and that type of conversation particularly happening, you know, in private or well over the airwaves can be awfully troubling to prosecutors. i don't know that that's what the president was saying, but i guess as a prosecutor, i tend to have a suspicious mind and that's what it makes me think of. >> i do want to ask you about politico's analysis, they say that it could be pretty tricky to potentially get michael cohen to flip. and again, we should be clear that we don't know that it's the intention of the sdny to get cohen to flip. but here's what politico writes, even if cohen is determined to break his confidence with trump legal ethics might deter federal prosecutors from vetting his
relationship with donald trump. is it going to be hard? >> it's going to be hard, but it's not a minefield. by the way the minefield analogy is useful. because with the right equipment, as you well know, you can navigate a minefield. so imagine in a search warrant, they get three types of stuff. one bucket would mr. stuff that is absolutely not privileged, which the filter team can give to the investigative team. one bucket of stuff is things that are clearly privileged, which the filter team would keep and the investigative team would never see. then there's that middle category which is a little bit harder and that's why prosecutors get paid all that money and get to make decisions about things that may be privileged and they can go to the judge if they need more guidance. it's not rocket science, it happen s all the time. prosecutors make these determinations and decide what they can and cannot use. so i think that politico article is helpful, but i also think
it's a little bit overwrought. >> quote, cohen isn't the biggest catch from the trump world, other players know far more about the president's dealings than his lawyer does. this is what you wrote on bloomberg view. who were you talking about? >> i was talking about jason greens abo gre greenb greenblatt who is president trump's white house attorney. people attach their stars to the president's wagon in the hopes of furthering their own careers. michael cohen began working there in 2006. he wasn't an attorney in any of the usual ways, he was a fixer, he solved problems for trump. if there's somebody inside the trump administration who knows where the skeletons are, it's jason greenblatt.
>> but jason greenblatt would have more cover than michael kon does if he was acting as an advisor or a fixer, right, chuck? >> one more way to think of it, i think the factual contours that he lays out are really important. but prosecutors don't really set out to get anybody, what they want from cohn is the truth and they're going to take that truth wherever it leads, it may lead to the president, it may not lead to the president, it may lead to other people, we don't know sitting here. but i don't like the characterization of prosecutors setting out to get somebody. at least good prosecutors don't think that way. >> i think it's always important to remember that the prosecution here, the sdny could solely be going after something that michael cohen did alone, with no real intention of trying to get him to turn on the president of the united states. there's got to be reason why this is with sdny and not with robert mueller. gentlemen, thank you very much.
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today, debbie lasko for congress. nbc national political correspondent joins us for a look at how this could all play out. >> i think this is one of those where you can see in the context of all of these special elections you were just talking about, this is one of those, the world is full of surprises, but the suspense right now is not so much who's going to win this night, but what's the margin going to be? because this is the district that we're talking about, 2016, trump by 21. this is a very republican area, a little different than what we saw in pennsylvania 18 a few weeks ago, where democrats had won races, they had a lot of democratic voters. this is republican through and through, so the question becomes can the democrats eat significantly into that
trump-romney margin, can they get it to the single digits. you put them up there, that's the broader context for what we're looking at here, a burge of double digit gains for house elections, they had one last year in kansas, they had one in montana. they cut 15 points off trump's margin, they obviously were able to win pennsylvania. can they get that 21-point trump margin down to single digits. they would take that tonight as a sign of, hey, there's movement even in red america, for republicans, they want double digits tonight at least. >> i hope movement in red america means a lot more movement in blue or purple america, maybe those who weren't so excited in 2016. steve, thank you. are you going to be holding a pen in your hand? >> i may not be able to eat so much tonight. here's what two voters told
our own von hilliard on the ground. >> i voted for the democratic candidate. >> reporter: do you usually vote democratic? >> no, i'm a republican, but lasko seemed to want to go to congress and get things done. >> reporter: who did you vote for? >> debby, absolutely. overall i'm a republican, have voted republicans my whole life, believe in all the measures that president trump is putting in place and believe that debby supports all that. >> joining me now hiral tipirneni who is the democratic candidate in the race, dr. tipirneni, thank you so much for being here. >> thank you for having me, i appreciate it. >> we were able to catch up with your opponent debbie lasko a little bit earlier. >> i'm just a better fit for this district, whether it be securing the border, my opponent is not really in favor -- she doesn't want to put any money towards a border wall or improving education. i really have been a strong
proponent of that, the whole nine years that i've been in the legislature. i also think that it's important to the people in our district that we have low taxes and less government regulation and i'm definitely in support of that. my opponent not so much. >> so is she correct in stating your positions? >> no, she's not correct and in fact i am a very good fit for this district. it's a drikt i haistrict i have for 21 years and it's a little disingenuous when she refers to those issues because i have actually been working on strengthening education throughout. i have a very clear health care plan, because there's a big issue for voters all across the west valley. their premiums are going up, and i have a detailed plan to get us to a point where everybody has quality, affordable health care. as far as taxes go, that tax cut bill, that harmed my district.
a very small percentage of people in my district got a benefit from that. so we need to work on protecting the middle class, and elder voters. it's also threatening social security way i'm committed to fighting for. so i'm a very good fit for this district and i'm excited that we have been resonating with the voters throughout the campaign time. >> you also said that you are not in support of the wall or any real security funding for the border. >> and that's incorrect as well. that's a mischaracterization. i have spoken very clearly about where i stand on this. we have to have secure borders, there's no doubt. there are smart ways to go about it. we have to follow the data. some money should go to re-enforcing those areas of the border fencing that are vulnerable. we should be enhancing our board security patrol. investing in technology, drones.
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ethics questions that pruitt is already facing. yesterday, the white house said that it's monitoring those issues but also praised pruitt for pushing the president's agenda at the epa. now there is another sweeping change in the works. today, "the washington post" reports that pruitt is pushing a controversial transparency rule limiting what research the agency can use. juliette elprin from "the washington post" is one of the reporters on that story. explain to me this rule, on the service it sounds like a good idea, transparency, i only want to be able to see the signs that i can understand the process behind. is that the best way to describe it? >> exactly. well, that's certainly how administrator pruitt and his supporters would describe this rule. they would say that what they are doing is taking the underlying data that's behind the studies that epa uses to draft, say, environmental regulations and other rules that
they issue, and let everyone scrutinize them and reproduce it. what many researchers counter is that many of these critical studies particularly on issues such as air pollution, pesticide exposure and other issues, are done through these long-term studies where they get participants to provide personal information about their medical history, about their personal behavior and practices, in exchange for confidentiality and that basically, by saying that now this data would have to be revealed, this would not only potentially disqualify a slew of studies that already exist, it might deter people from signing up for these studies in the first place. in addition to the fact that it would cost millions of dollars to essentially redact this data so that it would not be inadvertently released. they are saying it would limit the science they could use. >> what are the concerns about real life consequences in terms of water and air?
>> this could potentially affect a huge slew of studies, including some landmark older studies that have underpinned, for example, some of the most basic air pollution rules that we have today, which affect the kind of -- the level of soot that can be emitted from power plants and other burning of fossil fuels like auto emissions. it could affect everything from, say, drinking water advisories across the country in terms of a lake, how much fish you could consume as well as maybe potentially what household products. there are huge implications depending on how epa defines what data needs to be released. >> in the broader view, how would you say scott pruitt is trying to change the epa? is he taking it away from a science-based approach to a holistic based approach on the environment and moving it more towards something, i don't know, friendlier to the industries it's supposed to regulate?
>> i think both mr. pruitt and those who criticize him would say he is changing the way the epa uses science and evaluates it and again, how you define that depends on where you stand. but essentially what he's doing is he's certainly questioning some of the traditional science that epa has used including epa's own studies and as a result, he's allowing many industry studies to rise and play greater influence in decision making. >> affecting millions of people with their water and air. julia, thank you so much for coming in and talking about this. >> thanks so much. one more thing before we go. tonight will be historic for president trump. it is his first state dinner and as we have been discussing all day, the soiree was planned by the first lady. menus grace each plate, fresh-cut flowers, and as my colleague vivian salama points out, the president had no part
in its planning. here's what he said in 2016. >> all these other people that rip us off we give them these big state dinners. we give them state dinners like you've never seen. we shouldn't have dinners at all. we should be eating a hamburger on a conference table and forget the state dinners. you forget the state dinners. that costs by the way, a fortune. that costs a fortune. >> hamburgers, the president will have to give up the golden arches for tonight. somehow he will have to find a way to deal with the goat cheese rack of spring lamb and carolina gold rice jambalaya. wonder if he will get a well-done steak. we should point out a couple points of irony that will be served up. the dishes they will be dining on, white house china from the clinton and bush eras. two, although tonight's dinner showcases two leaders of the world's greatest democracies, no press will be allowed in. only one, count them, one democrat was invited. the governor of louisiana.
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8th. keeping them honest, all they're really doing is kicking the government funding can down the road for another likely heated showdown next month. mitch mcconnell and chuck schumer struck a deal to reopen the government without resolving any issues that sparked the shutdown, mainly immigration reform, namely for daca, and democrats want to stop any deportation efforts against the so-called d.r.e.a.m.ers. mcconnell indicated he'd be open to consideration of and votes on legislation regarding daca and border security at a later date. that was enough for most democrats to back today's short-term funding bill. they decided to reopen the government based on that promise. they were also able to get funding for the children's health insurance program, chip, for six years. senator schumer is facing criticism from those in his own
actual winners and losers in all this? >> well, anderson, there's a reason 16 democrats in the senate, 104 democrats in the house voted against this proposal. some senate democrats saying nothing should have been moved forward without a clear promise house republicans would take up, without a clear promise the president wouldn't be too involved or involved enough to set things aside at one point or another. you're hearing it from the activist, the base and a lot of democrats, that this wasn't a good deal. anderson, you also look at what this deal brings to the table. it brings to the table at least floor consideration for the senate. ask that is something you noted chuck schumer says is in the grand scheme of things. they didn't necessarily make any promises they didn't think they could actually keep.
and they reopen the government with essentially the same bill they put on the table friday night. in the end i think everybody can agree this isn't exactly a dplorious moment in the history of the institution. to democrats right now who are questioning strategy and whether or not this is good idea, do they actually end up better in the long run? those questions obviously not going to get answers to for a couple of weeks. >> and is there going to be another shutdown or facing another shutdown? >> yeah, i think the reality here as you look at the sheer scope of the issues still on the plate, and that's why democrats are saying, look, you still have a lot of leverage here. there's a two year budget agreement that raises spending caps on defense that republicans are very interested in getting that democrats have made clear they're not going to sign-on to until there's a daca resolution.
they haven't been able to do anything quickly in this chamber or chambers for a long period of time. it question they can do that now, it is an open one at that. you look at the winners, losers, there's nuances to it. a bipartisan group, 25 senators in the last three or four days really kind of made some tides or bonds to push to a resolution. can they serve as a baseline for the institutions moving in a better direction, a less partisan direction at some point over the next couple of weeks? they're hopeful that might actually be the case. we've seen groups toorlgt and fall flat on their faces in the past. will this year be any different particularly in an election year, we'll see. but in the last three days where nobody's been particularly proud of themselves, maybe that can serve as a baseline moving forward.
>> want to go now to the white house. cnn's jim acosta is there. how much of a role did the president play in this deal. >> reporter: there was a wall for daca deal that was put on the table. the white house later rejected it. the white house chief of staff apparently told aides on capitol hill it was too liberal. and ever since that moment the president basically stayed behind doors. did not speak with chuck schumer. so he was no longer wheeling and dealing the democrats. that was essentially left to the senate leaders up on capitol hill. schumer and the senate majority leader mitch mcconnell. now from what we understand, some of this was by design. all weekend long we never saw the president. he was sort of invisible. it was the art of conseal, and that was by design we're told by sources at the white house.
they did not want the president to think when they were watching this shutdown unfold, and that's why the president stayed under wraps. >> moving forward, do you know if the president will work on a deal going forward to avoid a shutdown in february? >> he did meet with senator joe mansion of west virginia and doug jones, the new senator from alabama, the new democratic senator from alabama. they met behind closed doors. it was sort of a meet and greet session for jones can and the president. however, it is an indication the president is willing to at least meet with centers from both parties moving forward. but the question, anderson, is whether the white house is simply asking too much from democrats. i talked to various sources in the administration today who said a wall is simply not enough to get a deal to protect the d.r.e.a.m.ers from deportation. there has to be a wall plus other items like ending family immigration or chain migration. and so that is going to be up
for democrats to decide whether they can expect something like this. i talked to one senior administration official who said, quote, a wall does not equal border security, end quote. that is an indication how much the position over here at the white house is hardening on immigration at this point. and the president is essentially listening to his aides. people like stephen miller and the white house chief of staff john kelly cautioning about the president taking deals with the democrats he was according last friday. so the question is at this point can they get to a point where they can both agree to protect these d.r.e.a.m.ers. it is going to be a wait and see process for the next 17 days. >> angus king voted yes for the short-term bill joins us now. can you explain what hachanged in your view from friday night to today? >> what changed in my mind was
everything we can in the next three weeks to deliver. >> does it concern you, because in that very public meeting where cameras were allowed, bipartisan meeting, i guess it was two weeks ago, the president seemed to agree with senator feinstein about doing daca, then doing what he termed comprehensive immigration reform. not clear he understood the meaning or how that phrase is commonly used, but then when republican kevin mccarthy jumped in and said actually, mr. president, i think what you really mean, he seemed to side with the republicans. then he seemed to go back to the democratic position. >> well, i think if what you are suggesting is the president should try to narrow his position and make it more clear, mitch mcconnell on the floor this past week said i can't vote on anything or bring anything to the floor until i determine what the president is for. that was another big deal today. basically, mitch mcconnell separated himself from the president and said we are not waiting anymore for the white house to settle on a position. on february 8th, if we haven't been able to resolve it through internal discussions, which is certainly what we are trying to
do, as i say, starting two hours ago, if we are not, we are going to bring a bill on the floor. >> senator king, appreciate your time. thank you very much. up next, much different take on today's deal. we hear from a congressman who voted no and has a lot of concerns. also later, how the porn star who allegedly had an affair with the president when he was a citizen is trying to cash in on all the publicity. new year, new phones for the family. join t-mobile, and when you buy one of the latest samsung phones get a samsung galaxy s8 free. plus, unlimited family plans come with netflix included. so, you can watch all your netflix favorites on your new samsung phones. join the un-carrier and get a samsung galaxy s8 free. all on america's best unlimited network.
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breaking news tonight, it partial government shutdown is ending after democrats and republicans voted to keep the government running until february 8th. president trump still has not signed the bill. that should happen any moment. congressman, thanks so much for being with us. can you just explain why you were a no vote tonight? >> once again, anderson, the d.r.e.a.m.ers were left behind. this is the third consecutive time i've voted against a continuing resolution. i think this is dysfunctioning way to run government. it's like paying your rent every week as opposed to theened of the month. this is dysfunctional way to running government. and it's far broader than the d.r.e.a.m. act, it's about not only giving chip, insurance to young churn but funding and teaching hospitals and about disaster relief.
that affect the american people and of course leaving 800,000 d.r.e.a.m.ers out in the cold. >> your colleague reportedly said that senate democrats were quote, getting their butts kicked. would you agree with that term? >> well, the pendulum may have swung a different way today, but we'll live to fight another day. and we're just concerned that the promises that were made by the leader in the senate are true promises. this is my first year, but i've learned quickly that many promises here are not kept. and stow i'm concerned that on the 8th we'll face another crisis that will lead to a public assault against d.r.e.a.m.ers. some folks here on the floor of the house of representatives were equating immigrants and d.r.e.a.m.ers to violent criminals. how vile is that, to resort to fanning the flames of racism across america? i'm here to fight for the d.r.e.a.m.ers.
that's one of the reasons i got elected to congress, and we'll be waiting until the 8th to see what happens the then. >> senator king was on the program saying he believes because mitch mcconnell made this pledge publicly and sort of his language was not as divisive rhetoric, that he felt more confident that now mitch mcconnell is on record pushing for some sort of deal, at least dealing with this. >> well, these debates about whether you will or you shall are really sterile and very poor. they are debates that show no commitment to resolving the critical needs. i met with a group of d.r.e.a.m.ers last time. if you see them, anderson, if you look in their young faces and see what they stand for, their aspirations, energy and their love for this country, you really can't say no to them. that's why 80% of americans are supporting them. but they got caught up in this debate whether the government will be shutdown.
it's unfair to them and to their families. want to talk the politics of all this with our bipartisan panel. robby mook, rick santorum and anna navarro. did this shutdown accomplish anything in your view? >> i think it brought the dreamer issue to the forefront. i think it highlighted the urgency of the d.r.e.a.m.er issue. it has for the last week, the last ten days, shown us the faces and the stories of d.r.e.a.m.ers. we have seen the stories of people that are getting deported, how they are getting separated from their children, what it's doing to american families and to the american way of life. i think it's highlighted what is an urgent issue that needs to be addressed. it has also shown the horrible dysfunction that is washington, that is our government. they keep kicking the cans down the road without really solving the national crisis. it showed that chuck schumer could take a position and it showed that chuck schumer could hold it for two days. he couldn't hold the position. so you know, i think it's shown us a lot of things but we don't know what the end game is going to be yet. >> was it a mistake for
democrats to go along with this? >> look, i'm as frustrated as anybody out there. i think it's lunacy what's going on that we can't fund the government, it's lunacy we are leaving the dreamers in limbo and this hasn't been passed when clearly the votes are there. all that said, understanding we are in a lunatic situation, the democrats used their leverage to get a vote on these dreamers. that is progress. if what we really care about here is getting policy passed, we took a step in the right direction. a few days ago, we weren't getting this vote. hopefully now there's going to be a vote, it will pass and there will be the political pressure to force the president to sign. so this is not an ideal situation. i'm unhappy like everybody else but i think as democrats we have to step back, recognize the incredibly complex and difficult situation that senator schumer was in, and recognize and frankly, applaud these senators for holding the line and moving the ball down the field. that's how this stuff works. >> senator santorum, is that
what democrats did? >> i don't see it that way at all. the reality is that what this showed the american public and it's the reason the democrats backed down, was that democrats are more interested in illegal immigrants than they were about working men and women and the people in our military and keeping the government funded and taking an issue that had nothing to do with continuing funding and tried to inject that into a spending debate. the republicans have done this in the past and republicans got their head handed to them. every time, ted cruz did a couple years ago. before that, we had other things, where we tried to put extraneous things in these spending bills and the public said no, don't do that. if you got a problem with immigration or with obamacare, deal with it, but don't mess up, don't shut down the government, don't get to this brinksmanship. be adults. i think the democrats did not learn that lesson. they thought the media was going to be on their side, the folks
you just heard earlier were going to go out and tell them how heroic they were. what they found out is the american public said no, we actually don't agree with what you are doing here. that's why they backed down. >> actually, i think it's a little more complicated than that. you know, rick says that democrats were putting illegal immigrants ahead of the working men and women and ahead of the men and women in the armed forces. actually, dreamers are the working men and women in america. actually, there are 900 dreamers who are serving in the armed forces today. that's the type of people for whom we need to find a solution. look, you know, people may not like the shutdown, but the irony of this, the juxtaposition what made it really complicated is that they really approve of the dream act. most people see dream act kids, the dream act youth, as a special category within immigrants, within undocumented immigrants, because we realize that they came here through no fault of their own. it was not their own actions. it was not their own decisions. now they are americans in every way but one, and does this country have the heart, do republicans have what it takes to see families separated and
then lecture us about family values, to see employers left without employees and then lecture us about business, to see schools empty of students and then lecture us about education? so that's the question republicans have to ask themselves. >> you are missing one very important point. the bottom line is people who are here illegally are here illegally. we break up families all the time. when people commit illegal acts. it happens all the time. families get broken up. people lose their employment when they commit illegal acts. >> senator santorum -- >> hold it. let him finish. >> you are talking about 700,000 dreamers and you said 900 are in the military. of course, those have an opportunity to gain their citizenship under the current law. so the reality is, there are pathways for people going forward. what republicans are asking for, what donald trump is asking for, is something very, very reasonable and so far, the democrats have been unwilling to move forward. they want four things. four things the democrats have
voted for time and time again. border security, they want the end of the visa lottery, they want chain migration to be limited, and they want to deal with this daca issue. put a bill together that does those four things, not 20 other things, which is what the quote, compromise did, and i bet you would be surprised -- >> you haven't moved on this. you have seen people on -- >> i'm sorry, i will talk over you because i have to take a break. when we continue this conversation, did president trump help or hurt negotiations? did he even play a part in brokering a deal to get the government back open? we'll be right back. 30,000 precision parts. cn or it isn't. it's inspected by mercedes-benz factory-trained technicians. or it isn't. it's backed by an unlimited mileage warranty, or it isn't. for those who never settle, it's either mercedes-benz certified pre-owned, or it isn't.
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there's so much that these senators have in common. we saw them starting to work together today. gosh, let's just push forward and pass the things everybody agrees on and stop all these silly games. i don't care who won this shutdown fight. i'm just happy we will have the votes we need to have, we might actually get the policy the country needs and wants. >> but wasn't it a court that declared that what president obama had done was not constitutional? >> yeah, but the president, i'm sure president trump could have done something to save this. he is totally having this both ways by doing everything he can to kill it on the one hand and then on the other hand saying well, i will do something if congress can. and changing his tune every day. let's remember, too, the senators came to the president with a bipartisan agreement on this and he was the one who blew it up because he couldn't control his mouth and made some racist statements. he is the real problem here. i actually think we should be proud that a bunch of our senators stood up and we got an agreement moving today. that's a big deal. >> senator santorum, is it clear to you how much president trump
was actually involved in ending this shutdown? because you hear the white house claiming credit, but was this more white house victory or mcconnell victory? >> i think the president, you know, when you have a winning hand you sit there and hold your hand. there was no reason for the president to go out there and negotiate with himself. the reality is the democrats were going to cave because the public was moving against them for all the reasons that i talked about earlier, and there was no reason for the president to go out and do anything other than stand his ground and say we will deal with this issue separately, we are not going to include this in the spending package, and look, i agree that something needs to be done on this issue. i also want to point out as you did, anderson, the president was following the law unlike president obama who didn't follow the law when it came to these dreamers. the reality is i think the house needs to move. if you would -- my suggestion is paul ryan and the house get a bill, do the four things president obama has said he wants to do, put those four things in a package and send them over to the house, show the american public the house is willing and republicans are willing to pass a bill that provides some relief for
dreamers as well as meet the other four conditions, get it to the senate and let them deal with it. >> anna, do you think to senator santorum's point, the democrats would have been blamed for this shutdown if it went on longer? >> look, i'm not sure if it was a mistake or if it was the right thing to do but i do know that but for this, there would be no promise from mitch mcconnell right now for there to be a vote before february 8th on the daca issue. and it is an issue for which the clock keeps counting down. if you are a daca kid right now, you realize you have only got six weeks left. they have had six months to deal with this since donald trump ended the executive order. so there is this sense of urgency. whether it was a mistake or not, i think we will know the answer to that on february 9th, february 10th, whenever we know the answer of whether this in fact leads to legislation, to a law being passed and people whose lives are in limbo, whose future is in limbo right now,
having some certainty and being able to achieve the american dream, or whether we don't. ask me then if it was a mistake. >> robby, i talked to independent senator angus king earlier who said the fact mitch mcconnell made a public pledge and used sort of not very divisive language, that is what made him decide to vote for this continuing resolution. >> the senators obviously know him better than i would. i don't trust him that much but i do trust the senators on both sides that are saying that they believe that he will keep his word. i think anna had this exactly right. i think we will know in early february if this was a good deal to make. i think given all the information today, this was the right choice for schumer, the right choice for the democrats, and americans should hold the majority leader's feet to the fire to follow through on this. what's remarkable about this is everybody agrees on this.
we should be able to pass this no problem and holding his word shouldn't be a problem. >> want to thank everybody on the panel. ahead, the gop in-fighting over immigration. one republican senator points the blame at the white house adviser stephen miller who is an outspoken confidant of the senators. what we know about him, next. with advil's fast relief, you'll ask, "what pulled muscle?" "what headache?" nothing works faster to make pain a distant memory. advil liqui-gels and advil liqui-gels minis. what pain?
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rmens have democrats passing a bill on capitol hill to keep the government running until february 8th. question is, can they reach a deal to avert another showdown in 17 days. this was the first shutdown ever when one party is in control of both congress and the white house. as you might have noticed, there's some gop in-fighting. over the weekend, republican senator lindsey graham wasn't shy at blaming -- at laying some of the blame on the trump white house, singling out white house adviser stephen miller. here's what he said. >> the reason we yanked these things back is because mr. miller, i have known him for a long time, i know he's passionate, i know he's an early supporter of the president but i will just tell you his view of immigration has never been in the mainstream of the senate and i think we are never going to get there as long as we embrace concepts that cannot possibly get 60 votes. >> white house press secretary sarah sanders is pushing back on that telling cnn quote, stephen's not here to push his agenda, he's here to push the president's agenda like everybody else in this building. we are doing our best to carry out what the president has laid
out and to implement and communicate his principles and stephen's no different on that front than anyone else. that's how the white house sees it. but no one is going to dispute that miller is not shy about speaking his opinion and he's no stranger to politics. randi kaye tonight looks back. >> reporter: he's donald trump's youngest policy adviser, the man at the center of the immigration battle who seems like he's always ready for a fight. >> that is one of the most outrageous, insulting, ignorant and foolish things you have ever said. >> reporter: the senate aide turned white house adviser stephen miller has found the ultimate national platform for the conservative views he first embraced as early as high school. after the 9/11 attacks when he was just 16, he penned an editorial for the santa monica lookout arguing his high school wasn't patriotic enough. osama bin laden would feel very welcome at santa monica high school, he wrote. in that same article, miller complained about rampant political correctness, spanish language announcements and his classmates who lacked basic english skills.
>> i will say and i will do things that no one else in their right mind would say or do. >> reporter: all of this, it seems, just a dress rehearsal for his next stop, duke university. writing for the duke chronicle, miller sounded the alarm about immigration. we oppose common sense security measures. we give drivers licenses to illegal aliens. at duke, miller also made a name for himself in the national media by speaking out in support of the duke lacrosse players in a racially charged rape case. >> nothing seems to be changing. as a student, i can tell you, we are really, really mad. >> reporter: the lacrosse players were eventually exonerated. after graduating, miller moved to washington, d.c., lending a press secretary job for then congresswoman michelle bachmann despite having no experience. later in 2013, as an aide to then senator jeff sessions, miller helped sessions derail an immigration deal by distributing a handbook packed with talking points to help kill the bipartisan effort. in washington, miller also
connected with steve bannon, who gave him entry into donald trump's orbit and campaign 2016. miller on the world stage, crafting trump's speech accepting the republican nomination. >> i humbly and gratefully accept your nomination -- >> reporter: miller also co-authored the president's travel ban. after a federal judge struck it down, miller suggested the judge had no right to question the president's authority. >> our opponents, the media and the whole world will soon see as we begin to take further actions that the powers of the president to protect our country are very substantial and will not be questioned. >> reporter: late today, white house spokeswoman sarah sanders was asked if miller has veto power on immigration. >> the only person i'm aware of with veto power in this country is the president. >> reporter: for his part, the president seems to like what miller represents. especially his combativeness.
>> no, no. you can be condescending. >> reporter: i'm trying to get to the point -- >> reporter: all in a day's work for the kid from santa monica. randi kaye, cnn, new york. >> powerful white house adviser. now to chris cuomo with a look at what's coming up on the top of the hour. >> tonight we will do it a little different. we have the big shot of the white house's kellyanne conway. tonight we ask her to do something on tv she's never done before. >> what is that? >> that is the tease. that is the tease. i have to figure out what that is now. i only have 17 minutes. >> get working on that. up next, will they or won't they? a lot of buzz around a classified republican memo and alleged fbi surveillance abuses. house republicans want it released. democrats say the whole thing is a political stunt. i talk with a member of the house intelligence committee next.
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over the weekend as the senate wrestled with the government shutdown the chairman of the house intelligence committee was meeting with key allies in the house discussing the prospect of releasing a classified memo prepared only by republicans about alleged fbi abuses in the nation's surveillance laws. those abuses, republicans say, revolve around the so-called steele dossier and its impact on the overall russia investigation. chairman devin nunes wants some of the research behind the memo to be declassified. i will remind he he stepped aside from his own committee's russia probe last year after coming under investigation after reports he may have made unauthorized disclosures of classified information. earlier i spoke with democrat jim himes of connecticut who serves on the intelligence committee. you have seen this memo. i know there's only so much you can say because it's classified but generally, how would you characterize it?
>> well, the memorandum, anderson, i will tell you, harkens me back to benghazi where there was an effort to come up with all of these conspiracy theories about how there had been a stand-down order and how people had deliberately acted poorly. that's what this is. this is the latest installment in chairman nunes' sort of one-man operation to try to damage, throw mud on the fbi and doj all in service of calling into question bob mueller's investigation and of course, trying to provide some, any substantiation to the crazy charge the obama administration was wiretapping the trump campaign. >> when you hear colleagues as describing the contents jaw-dropping, saying americans will be surprised how bad it is, what do you say to that? >> i would say that it is partisanship at its worst, that many people years from now will look back on the damage that they did to the fbi and to the doj based on no evidence and the reason i say no evidence is
because the memo is based on highly, highly classified things, so highly classified that most members of the intelligence committee have not seen them, but that certainly your average member of congress has not seen. so in as much as members of congress are out there making which does or does not suppose the talking points the allegations that compromise this memorandum. >> they don't know what they're talking about? >> they have not seen the evidence which under lies the talking points the allegation in this memorandum. they have no basis to know other than nunz personal opinion. that there is any truth to the charges. they have not seen the under lying classified information. >> some are calling for full
transparent si. what's the harm in releasing a redakted version? >> i would support that. i'm not fan of putting out republican talking points where there isn't an ability for people to look a the under lying crassfied information. but if it's anything lib the four page memorandum. which a quick reading that the thing just kind of reeks of poor work, of bad logic. i imagine they'll clean it up. if you can see the memorandum in the first line there's something said that's obviously untrue. so it's important -- i'm always fan of transparency. it's porpt this get out there. it's important for the fbi whose reputation is damaged. fbi who keep us safe whose lives on the line. they with being youzed as a political tool. to try to damage mueller's investigation. it's important to find a way to
rebut what i think is our fundamentally rebuttable charges. >> -- >> it's interesting you say that. that should tell you something. if you make an accusation against somebody and say you can't see the accusation. that should tell you something. there's a yn in court you put accuser in front of defendants. so you can have it out. the fact a they won't let. fbi see the memorandum. it's flimsy and pathetic. the fbi has to get over classification challenges. they would make quick work of saying this is flat out wrong. their not making it available should tell you something. >> appreciate your time. thanks. up ahead a public appearance at a not so surprising republican e
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today. a cash payment to her violated finance laws. we report on stormy daniels first public appearance since the storm began. >> reporter: tonight stormy daniels is capitalizing on her alleged affair with trump. but not revealing details about it. daniels appeared at the strip club in south carolina. over the weekend. the owner won't tell how much he paid her or how much he made. he booked her as soon as he saw public reports on the affair. cnn told daniels could be booked at other adult clubs around the country in the come lg months. she made a quick get away after her performance and wouldn't talk about her alleged sexual encounter with trump. baa she was quoted saying her life since the story broke has
been stressful and amusing. daniels had a long career as a porn star. >> i want to show you out. >> reporter: and a potential senate candidate. >> politics can't be any dirtier than the one i'm in. >> reporter: shortly before the 2016 election she was paid $130,000 by trump lawyer to stay silent about a sexual encounter with trump in 2006. he never denied making the payment. there's new information about reported attempt to cover up the claim of an affair. in 2011. cohen threatened to sue a magazine if it published an interview with her. according to to magazine employees who spoke to the associated pretsz. in touch never published the allegations. until now. before the associated press story broke, cnn asked in touch new editor why it was held for
seven years. >> why wasn't it published before. i can't speak yo u. i don't have the answer. >> reporter: one trump biographer isn't surprised his lawyer reportedly threatened to sue the magazine. >> he has a pattern of going after people legally. whether they criticize him or embarrassing information about him. he uses threat, lawyer letters. actual lawsuits to control the message. >> reporter: michael cohen didn't get back to us that he threatened to sue in touch magazine. the representative told us they wouldn't comment on that report. but cohen previously denied the affair took place. and vice president pence has just told the associated press that the reports about the alleged affair are baseless. >> all right. thanks. thanks for watching. time to hand it over to chris chro cuomo for "prime time." >> who won?
same then he met with a french friend and his positions shifted somewhat tonight a budding bromance is becoming europe's trump whisperer or is he just a french flash in the pan i'm bored off of berlin this is the day. iran's deal is a disaster they're testing missiles so what is that all about the risen. security. and a lot of other issues we will discuss so we have a lot of work to be done together you just take a look at what's happening in any old virtually any place in the middle east or read is behind it. that if anyone be traced the deal they should know that they will face sit p.r. consequences. and they restart their nuclear program they will have bigger
went into private talks and when they emerged while the plan b. which macron had said does not exist suddenly appear trump sounded as if he is willing to let the iran deal stand as long as a new deal is negotiated to add on to the existing one now that left a lot of unanswered questions but it did expand on one burning topic in paris washington and even here in berlin that budding bromance between trump and macro own i want you to take a look and listen to what the two men said today about each other repeatedly mr president they're all saying what a great relationship we have and they're actually correct it's not fake news finally but we do have a very special relationship we have to make them perfect is perfect and on top of it we have an excellent personal reasons she was so i want to thank you for that we we have got a very special relationship i don't imagine it's ever been closer in the history of
a trying to get out of his meetings with the trump is some clarity on issues such as syria france obviously wants to see u.s. support for military action there and it was necron who said that he was partly responsible for helping lead donald trump to decide to launch direct military action against the country earlier this month and now we saw in that press conference in fact perhaps a slight softening of tone from donald trump when it comes to syria that previously said that he wanted to withdraw all seem thousand u.s. troops who are in the country but today we heard him say that he wants them to leave a relatively soon where his words and not before their mission is completed. so let's talk a little bit about the nuclear deal i want to take a listen to what both leaders said today about the deal and did discuss. it just seems that no matter where you go especially in the middle east iran is behind it
a new deal negotiate so trying to have his take it to you here. and i guess is also in a conundrum because trump has been very gay doesn't one the data but iran says if you touch the there's no deal and then we will tell you in some ways and old this part is all parts of the of the data and also russia and china and and turkey may want to sit on the table press your opinion so on these deal has been negotiated for years and now we have to enter into new negotiations resoled is as and among them in triumph and yet you still have to please all the parties if you want some sort of stability in the middle east well you know that's that's what we think but we don't even we don't even know that and clear the president he said today that he wants to negotiate a new deal to go with the existing one is that even feasible if
a look. at how different the language is body language is can deal with trying to lead to european leaders now here we have a year ago the german chancellor she wanted to shake donald trump's hand and of course this you know this went viral on social media he seemed to be ignoring her remember that and now this is today this in shape that all of a sudden turned into an attempt to kiss so. obviously people have been having a lot of fun with this but how do we read that i mean you from france explain that to us too but with me what is going through mine there when you when that happens. well i guess he wants to play the buddy you have denied front which is quite risky in some ways because the night from is not the most popular person in fronts just like in germany it's politically dangerous for him to be trump's best european friend isn't it it's it's dangerous especially among these voters who may actually
be quite against a lot from but it's a card that he thinks he's clever to play because he can win points on the foreign policy stage not like all the players in europe likening an american so there is a relationship to brit trump and michael easy on the one who's done that so he probably thinks well that's where it's maybe i can achieve something and it can help friends and it can help myself yes it's a risk again the way it is risky and we're talking about the influence that he has to achieve double trumps mine but the actual evidence the hard evidence of that you know is very scarce and clear there is talk of even becoming trump's new poodle you know there was always this talk about tony blair being george w. bush's poodle after the the war in iraq are you hearing that that that's that's the type of relationship that is being for. i've heard their relationship called
everything from a romance to a marriage of convenience after seeing those claims it is really interesting to note the differences between how he treats versus medical she is of course coming to visit washington d.c. later this week and it won't be with any of the pomp and circumstance that we've seen surrounding three day visit which has included lavish dinners and helicopter rides and that handshake that we just saw earlier so i think if their show of friendship pays off a little late for micron this could be a very good thing for him it will make him look strong that he was able to come to the united states to be in the good graces of donald trump because he's met him on equal terms and has kind of from the get go accepted and has an equal and as a negotiator but if you walks away empty handed then he certainly could run the risk of this backfiring yes and i'm sure everyone will want to know what kind of hat will be worn by uncle americal on friday they were talking about the one just
today clear richardson in washington thank you very much to both mudd along here at the beach table thank you are still ahead in a special report we look at the heavy social and geopolitics for iran by allowing girl weightlifters to compete outside the country. well denied the man suspected of driving a van into pedestrians in toronto canada has been charged with multiple counts of premeditated murder and attempted murder alec minnaar season is believed to have driven his vehicle into production on monday killing ten and injuring at least fifteen others police have yet to establish a motive or at least they're not saying what the motive was for the attack but they're trying to play down any link to terrorism meanwhile there has been praise for the police in toronto for their restraint and their professionalism in not
shooting the suspect. standing next to a van and appearing to point a weapon at a police officer. this is the suspect in the toronto attack the tense exchange was captured by several witnesses. the officer was praised for his bravery and for not shooting when others might have pulled the trigger. this suspect twenty five year old alec manasse and has now appeared in court he's been charged with ten counts of murder and thirteen counts of attempted murder. he's alleged to have deliberately driven a van into pedestrians along this busy streets in toronto the motive is still unclear and so far it has have sought to play down terrorism links.
looking visibly upset manasse ins father was filmed leaving court going to the family. to start. putting the canadian prime minister just in true jay was among those to pay tribute to the victims of the attacks but he also warned against living in fear. we need to continue to reflect on the changing situations of which we are in that we can do everything we can to keep canadians safe but we care a lot as canadians choose to live in fear every single day as we go about our daily business a makeshift memorial has been set up near the scene of the attack as toronto becomes the latest city to deal with such a tragedy. well now into that long
road to women's rights in iran in the past few months the police have arrested dozens of women for removing their head scarves in protest of the country's strict veiling lol only last week this video went viral on social media and it stirred a fierce debate take a look you can see the so-called morality police dressed in black confronting a woman wearing a loose red headscarf which they do not deem to be proper dress code and the female officers they get pretty heavy handed. but in this case many government officials are taking the side of the victim even the iranian president has condemned the morality release for its over use of force the incident is reportedly under investigation and there has been
a small step forward for women in iranian sports tonight in a rare concession a team of female weightlifters has been given permission to compete in international competitions for the first time ever it's worth noting that weightlifting is a huge sport in iran the top male athletes can earn as much as professional soccer players our correspondents she decided to catch up with their female counterparts in tehran just before they left for what would be a historic weightlifting trip. it's training time in this gym in west mt iran where champions have pumped iran for decades. just as heavy as they look at fire and nasa and the other girls lifting them is that dream come true. my dad was a weightlifter i've loved the sport ever since i was a child and i watched every competition hard by the member of us so as soon as it
was possible i started lifting weights myself. and is proud to continue the family tradition and to passion has paid off. she's the strongest of the four girl two so far. the brains behind the goal success has this office just one floor higher than i lead what i do he is president of iran's weightlifting association and perhaps the girls biggest fan he says there should be a difference between men and women in his sport. well. we have many iranian men who have many championship titles on our record holders in the field of weightlifting. the word strongest man right now is an iranian. soon as we want to achieve the same with our women. we hope that in the future not the far future i'm talking about the olympics of twenty twenty four the theory mean
women can add to these glories with. more. to make that happen the girls work hard every day just like the man they live in the compound of the association under close supervision by dr coaches. in just a few months to come a long way. from over. time i mean they don't have any experience yet next year they'll do very well in competitions for sure i mean. that's for now we just want them to build up confidence. after all this is their first international competition. and now as and the others excited to leave to run for to speak is done it's a historic first for the girls and female weightlifter us all together. martin you
know up to date i think it what men can do women can do to in the first five or six months since we started weightlifting we've already broken more than half of the women's weightlifting records that's glorious while i was a kid only if they're caught it at glory they plan to continue at this week's tournaments and beyond confident well prepared and determined to show the world how strong iranian women can be. well there is a us back story to this development for a rainy and women weightlifters to talk about that i'm joined tonight by ursula garza poppins radio she is the president of usa weightlifting and vice president of the international weightlifting federation she's the first woman to hold both of these positions she joins me tonight from austin texas welcome to the day you were also if i understand correctly the first woman to coach a man in weightlifting competition in iran and that happened just this year back
and more talk about what that would talk to me about what that was like and how did you get permission to do that. well thank you for having me first and that i was i was regarding the invitation to go to the follow up which was a competition in which one of my athletes competed this past march or actually there from march thirteenth march ninth. dr marandi dr alan irani the president who you had some footage on just a minute ago he had invited me last year prior to them even starting the program to try to get some traction for a women's way the thing program. and i was unable to make it because of some decent issues and so this past year we organized a little bit earlier actually in anaheim at the world championships we sat down and we decided that we were going to make it happen the sharing so we were able to
apply for visas and after a delay get into the system to don and i went along with one of my athletes derrick johnson who actually competed in won a gold medal at the fairish who was the first man in fifty three years american man i'm sorry in fifty three years to compete any time and we also took a technical official that was a female sues the first female that was allowed to be a technical fishel in you don. as a woman and these very interesting trip realizing as we stepped into different training holes that i was the first woman to be allowed to go in and i was the first coach to be allowed that was a female to be allowed to coach a male athlete i usually push my athletes at world championships that are male and there are women there but i know that they have to change their norm in order to allow me to do that was quite interesting and it was it's a big deal overall it is
a big deal and we didn't deal with it sport it's barely even still on television in the wrong we know that women are still forbidden to watch men compete the not a well to change while i was there well talk to me it's a good i was there tell me about that tell me about that. so i showed up on the second day of competition having cooks the first day and had seen the women in the venue. during the opening ceremonies as i was giving a speech i had done. a women's coaching and athlete seminar the first morning that we were there before derek competed and. i didn't realize that they're not being allowed to watch the men because we were told that they were going to this competition be allowed to watch the men so when i showed up the second day and four of the women were sitting outside the venue i realized that the day before they'd been allowed to watch the opening ceremonies not the actual men's
competition and we had we can try to get to our viewers you get we have the picture you posted on instagram you sitting with those four women. so we took a picture prior to that it was daylight when i arrived and i had decided that if they weren't allowed to enter then i wasn't going to go in either and so i sat with them and just figured i would miss the competition but instead we were after waiting for about forty five minutes or so sitting outside one of the. security guards came out with a list of names and read the list of the four women that were sitting with me and said they were allowed to watch the competition so they were the first women to the iranian women to be allowed to watch a men's weightlifting competition and then by the next day i had let those in ceremonies and so things were moving at quite a rapid pace when i was there. well unfortunately we're out of time but we certainly appreciate you taking the time to be on the program tonight
and if you do go back to iran please let us know ursula garza public radio joining us tonight from austin thank you you. thank. well the day is really done budge as ever the conversation continues online you'll find us on twitter in the news or you can write to me at brant off t.v. don't forget to use the hash tag of the day and remember whatever happens between now and then tomorrow is another day we'll see you then are going. to. cut cut cut cut cut cut cut. cut. claim.
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