about trump's rhetoric and another concern, donald trump, saying he's not ready to endorse paul ryan. he tells the post "like paul but these are horrible times for our country. we need very strong leadership. i'm not quite there yet. i'm not quite there yet." go that language found familiar, it is. it's nearly the word ryan used when he declined to support trump. and trump also say he's not supporting senator mccain for his bid in arizona, quote, he has not done a good job for the vets and i've always felt he should have done a much better job for the vets and i've always had a difficult time because he does not treat our vets properly." and he called kelly ayotte a weak and disloyal leadernew hampshire. >> a man came up to me and he handed me his purple heart. i always wanted to get the purple heart. this was much easier. but it was such an honor. >> the purple heart is awarded to those wounded in combat, swift reaction from hillary clinton tweeting, "this from a man who says he sacrificed for our country." and this from khan's father. amid the bipartisan backlash to trump's comments, trump's son, eric, insisted in an interview with cbs that his father has apologized to the khan family. >> i think he has by calling them a hero. >> donald trump trying to keep his focus on clinton, hammering his democratic rival on trade, immigration and her ability term limit prove the economy as well as her character. >> here is a woman who's a total thief. she's a crook. she's got a bad temperament, the temperament of a loser. >> reporter: but trump getting side tracked by a crying baby. >> i love babies. actually, i was only kidding. you can get the baby out of here. >> reporter: trump's red ri-- rhetoric continues to be a challenge. and -- >> here to discuss, patrick healy, and thank you to my panel for joining us. trump as thrown out every political play book, talking against a gold star family, throwing out a baby. has a candidate ever put out so many fires at one time? >> no. this is donald trump for better or for worse. i interviewed him last month right after the fbi report came out and i said, well, is this going to be your message? are you going to just sort of nail this over and over again. he said, looking i can only talk about it for five minutes or so and then it gets boring. people at a rally don't want to hear that. a conventional republican candidate would be taking, you know, some of these vulnerabiliti vulnerabilities, missteps by hillary clinton and driving that message over and over again. instead donald trump is in that lit any of distractions that are in no way appealing to undecided voters. >> as i was saying to you guys in the break, in the beginning there was -- in the beginning there were so many independent voters and so many people who were receptive to donald trump's message and i'm hearing from many of those people now, i just can't do it because he won't stay on message. he keeps saying things i cannot agree with. >> he also won't run a campaign. if you look at what happened over the course of the convention, hillary clinton clearly got a bump out of the conventions. the gallop has been polling people for decades. this is the first time they saw people look at the convention and find the convention less appealing. he's not doing any tv allies -- his allies are spending less than a minute and he's not doing a real campaign. i'll point out what he did in the afterma of the fbi thing was he spent five days talking about the star of david tweet. >> now he's caught up with the khans. >> according to dana bash, trump's campaign manager, including paul mant, are incredibly frustrated with him. that these so far message that they lo and sort of cherry picks that. i think in his own mind he is still donald trump the winner. >> but let's be honest. the polls are not electro. and that's where the election is. >> absolutely. but he also regards these debates as potential game changers burr in his mind he views and this is where his people are a little nervous right now, that if the election is a referendum on hillary clinton hereby wins. if the election is on a referendum on donald trump, he loses. so from his point of view, he needs to be making it all about hillary clinton and he's not. the question for his campaign, why they're so nervous, is it it always all about him. he's far less invested in what the actual campaign is doing. >> so how do you think that paul mafrpt that there are members of this campaign that are extremely frustrated right now? >> i don't think they're considering throwing in the towel. they seem women as you've got him in ohio, pennsylvania and florida and at some point, these are rough dog days. i would just say very quickly, the rebs or worked with the republican party. i'm sure they're feeling frustrated because this is not a campaign that is running in the way a political campaign runs. who have sort of head john mccain had been attacked and now he's coming out saying i'm not there with john mccain, i'm not sure about paul ryan, saying good things about paul ryan'ss competitor i'm. >> but how can you trust someone, if you say, hey, listen, i'm going to support you and he goes, how do you know we'res going to do it? >> if he destabilized things and you a all these republicans stay at home or some vote for hillary clinton, he would lose some seats. >> been bu aren't they on the road to that now if they continues the way it continues. >> if the raining i think for leaders is donald trump the next president of the united states. if so, i'm not going to be trap a prap you look at kelly ayotte and others coming, chris harper mercer's you know know, truz been. and if you love your country and love your children as much as i think you know that we can do. stand, speech and vote for cian chens up and down theand to be fate to the constitution! >> what a difference a week and a half makes. jeesh. >> paul: there were five fives at brooklyns in her unand now she's raising money out in i don't i don't y. or people who want it, real changed. sncht -- a very real possibility of winning and then squander because many people believe that the khans, it's not the thing that will break in but it was part of the flood gate to open up and give republicans cover to come out and say i can't do this. >> obviously the timing with the democratic convention plays a role in how this things looks like it's source of spiraling. but i think we have to remember that donald trump is very much a function of a very weird moment. there's a very weird backbash against the republican establish sand he walked about i think he's a winner. i think he wants to beat hillary. i don't think he want to be betten by her, by hillary, by pom. he people weren't going leave him. they're not saying, donald, you voted for us to be the change guy, how can -- have never been to create a straight ji but it not a governing majority, on the outside. >> this is brook's yes. i think the republican nominee is unfit to serve as president. i said so last week, and he keeps on proving it. this isn't a situation where you have an episodic gaffe. this is daily. there has to come a point at which you say somebody who makes those kinds of statements doesn't have the judgment, the temperament, the understanding to occupy the most powerful position in the world. >> he's making it easy for democrats to have some inging a it's almost as if to say imagine donald trump were standing here as i am saying these things on a daily basis. is that what you want? it's very powerful. >> a couple weeks ago when he said it's rigged, he's going to say the general election is rigged and the boats are rigged because he's sitting himself up with a few outcomes. either he wins and he loses because someone lktd it is nod a route progress lult approximately -- it's important to remember what we saw at the conventions, we saw jimmy carter, bill clinton, barack obama all stand next to hillary clinton and say this person can be president. we did not see any president stand next to donald trump and i think what barack obama said today reinforces that as well. neither of the bushes are standing by him, mitt romney also isn't stand big him. that play as role, too. >> we saw hardly any establishment standing, even at the convention. >> that's right. >> thank you. when we come back, what women and children had to say about sexual harassment? well, you heard him have gain the freedom to fumble with the new water and shatter-resistant samsung galaxy s7 active. his comments. what's next for the republican candidate? 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my father would certainly suggest if you're in a scenario and someone is being physically aggressive towards you, remove yourself from the situation. should any woman be subjected that, no. >> not. >> can afford to get away from an aggressive boss because they have to make ends meet. a lot of people live paycheck to paycheck. lisa is that what you got from the statement and donald trump? >> we're all forgetting about the third option, which is enforcing your legal rights. you don't have to run away if you're sexually harassed, you don't have to have your billionaire daddy help you start another career and you don't have to just take it. the other alternative is you actually stand up for your rights either via an attorney as gretchen carlson has so bravely done recently or you go to h.r., you complain and keep a copy in writing. and hopefully that doesn't. if it doesn't be then you go to an attorney. i've represented women and men who were sexually harassed for almost 30 years and every one of them is a brave, strong person. the idea that strong people don't get sexually harassed is wrong. >> i think sexual harassment is inexcusable in any setting. i think harassment in general, regardless, sexual or otherwise, is totally inexcusable and if it transpires, it needs to be reported and it need to be dealt with on a company level. we have a very strong h.r. team at the trump organization who is equipped to deal with these issues if they arise. you hope they never arise. you hope they have a culture in which they don't arise but when they do, it needs to be dealt with swiftly. >> should that have been the answer from the beginning? >> no. here's the problem with what lisa is saying. she's talking about the legal matter and she's right. there's a zero tolerance policy for sexual harassment. she's correct about that. but she was asked as a father and what lisa is saying, let's get to the root of what she's really saying, she is saying there's one right answer for a father to give his daughter. stay in the situation and report it to h.r. if your daughter or son is getting harassed, you have the option to say get away from a sexual harasser. there's not one right answer, lisa. >> it's completely tone deaf to say find another career -- >> or company. >> i went to law school for three years -- >> so did i. >> i enjoy being a lawyer. i don't want to find another career. i don't want to go to med school. i don't want to work in fashion. i want in career. and women don't have to choose between their dignity and their job. this is not the 19th century. we have rights and we're entitled to enforce them. and this interview was in the context of roger ailes, donald trump was standing up for his friend roger ailes who according to report has sexually harassed 25 women at this point that we know of. >> by the way, i went to law school for three years, too. that doesn't take away the empathy and the concern for physical aggression. >> nobody talked about physical aggression. i would stand up for your right, for gretchen carlson's right, even though she and i differ politically on a lot of issues to have the career and the job and the company that you choose. you should not have to leave and none of my clients should have to leave simply because they are sexually harassed. that is 19th century thinking. i wonder if donald trump is aware that women have the right to vote, that we have rights now. >> gretchen carlson was the impetus behind this. here's what she says about trump's comment. she said about eric trump's comments, "in 2016 we're still victim blaming women. trust me, i'm strong." i'm sure gretchen carlson would like to be in her job right now but she unfortunately for her, she is not. >> it is not victim blaming. eric trump, donald trump, me, lisa, we all agree sexual harassment is inexcusable. but a father looking at his daughter can say get away from the situation. you can't tell me -- >> no, it's not an acceptable answer. the acceptable answer is the perpetrator should find another job, find another company, let the perpetrator find another career and you, my daughter or any woman you have the right to have your job and not be sexually harassed. >> can someone like ivanka trump politically, because donald trump faces a deficit when it comes to women, or is this like everything else going to fade foot back pages after a while? >> there's no controversy. think when most viewers watch this and read the context of trump's comments -- >> so he agreed with everything lisa has said and people are trying desperately, they parse his every syllable to find something wrong with what he said. >> it was also the clean-up, too. it was also eric trump's comments and both of them were seen quite honestly to most people who have a brain that they're somewhat victim blaming in this statement. you should move and take another job? if i was discriminated against, i wouldn't want another job. i would want to be taken care of in the job that i have. >> lisa is saying the woman should go to h.r. because you're parsing one word, the word allow, that's just irresponsible. it's irresponsible on your part, lisa to take him out of context. i think it's sad and viewers can see it. >> what's the could be text? donald trump calling women dogs, pigs, saying that megan kelly was menstruating. for to you say that donald trump would agree with me on this issue of sexual harassment 100%, boy, i would love to see donald trump himself say that or somebody from his campaign say that because i seriously doubt that. >> well, you're deflecting and engaging in character assassination of donald trump because the fabs are not on his side. >> i'm telling the word from his own month. >> you raised the issue of context. that's the context. multiple organizations of shart again i. >> is trump giving up on trying to unify his own party? 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>> it's a very difficult time, don. i almost feel when i'm waking up in the morning when i'm reading political obituaries. hardly a day goes by when i don't read an on end from a friend of mine. this week i wrote an op-ed from john mccain's granddaughter, who has voted republican. from chris christie's top aide, who has always voted republican, from sally bradshaw, jeb bush's top aide, who has always voted republican, add to that matt salter, lionel salsa, who has been doing p.r. for hispanic republican candidates for decades. the bottom line is donald trump is bleeding republicans because when we look at what he's saying, we don't recognize the party that we have loved for so many decades. when i see a military mother getting boo'd at a trump rally, i don't recognize that. do you think that would have ever happened at a reagan event? do you think ronald reagan would have not stopped it? nipped it at the bud? so he is bleeding republicans and he doesn't seem to give a damn. >> but this is republican establishment. let's say 15 or 20 denounce -- >> no, no, no, look. i can tell you this much. i can name you 30 republicans off the top of my head in florida who are not going to vote for him. remember, george w. bush won florida by 534 votes. it is a swing state. maybe new jersey doesn't matter, maybe california doesn't matter, maybe new york doesn't matter burke when you get to the swing states and for each one of these republicans that you are hearing about in public, i assure you, done, that are also feeling the same way, we don't know their names or their profile. >> caylee, how much longer is florida -- -- pair part of political class or pair insiders. the point is donald trump ran again the political class, he ran against the political elite. i'm not surprised to see the political elite reject him. but i do think the voters, who, by the way, you look at primary and caucus states, their anger was registered in all of the 50% plus, they felt betrayed the question i've been asking bakari, is this the beginning when it comes to the cannes family? does this give other promment conservatives the. >> a-- opportunity? it's very important that he consolidate the conservative base before he goes out there and tries to make new ground. but let me just douse a little bit of cold water on this whole theory about republicans leaving. democrats still are to work fofr every vote and although i don't believe donald trump can outdebate anybody, mitt romney did show up in the people in his campaign telling our dana bash we're frustrated, we're doing all of this in vein, our efforts are wasted. is he playing right into the campaign's hands? >> he very well could be. i think part of what you're seeing is someone who continues to be baited. you also saw jan brewer come out today to say drft was not enough had anymore and he's used to demonstrate, just like we talked about earlier, why these editorials continue to come out, saying he does not have the judgment and he is not fit to be president. these are still few and far between. that's why the president said what he said today in the east room saying it not enough for you to condemn his remarks. it's time for you than just do more than talk about what his candidates. >> when we come right back, the youngest heckler ever, i think. >> and whapt to a baby at a donald trump rally. we'll be right back. 7 that limits where you earn bonu. or... you can get the quicksilver card from capital one. quicksilver earns you unlimited 1.5% cash back on ev-e-ry purchase, ev-e-ry-where. i shouldn't have to ask. what's in your wallet? 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>> i don't think appreciate bringing age into this controversy. millennials are still allowed to have opinions that are respected. secondly, there is a reason why there is anger among gop voters. there is a region voters feel betrayed by this party. they're for building a wall and they get to washington and end their pro am. >> what about the substance of her argument? there are people who have been fighting in the trenches on both sides and they should be respected. >> they're allowed to have an opinion, but i think there's an effort to squash the will of the people and -- >> kayleigh, hold on. >> anna, hold on. anna, annia i'm talking here, anna. >> got it, donald, go ahead. knock yourself out. >> everyone is allowed to have an opinion but when i think that experience and people who have been in the trench ares deserve a respect, it's not just about an opinion, whether they did something wrong in the past or they did something right. yes, you can expect them. >> do you know who also deserves respect, though? republican voters. they've been told they made a bad choice, they're ignorant, how can you elect this person. that is the person being sent to republican voters. it has happened from the get-go when people made fun of him, got more voters than any nominee in presidential history. do you know who deserves respect? donald trump the put him there deserve respect. >> go ahead. then i have to get o been. >> and the baby. >> i understand on the baby you can make campaign trails, you can we can say the same for your nominee who just this sunday lied appeared said the fbi director condoned her whole story and said she was truthful when in fact she is not. an apology coming from hillary clinton doesn't mean must when she follows with with lies after lies after lie. >> there are a lot more rankings. that was a great pivot. check those pinochios for donald trump. he has a whole lot more. >> we'll be right back. for partners in health, time is life. we have 18,000 people around the world. the microsoft cloud helps our entire staff stay connected and work together in real time to help those that need it. the ability to collaborate changes how we work. what we do together changes how we live. with fans clamoring for our next hit album, we return to our extravagant private studio, where we turn gold into platinum. yes, i am rich. that's why i drink the champagne of beers. everyone loves the picture i posted of you. at&t reminds you it can wait. because you can't beat zero heartburn! i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heartburn ahhh the sweet taste of victory! prilosec otc. one pill each morning. 24 hours. zero heartburn. great grains cereals are made fromreal fruit,clusters, wholesome nuts and crunchy flakes. good things come together to make one great thing. great grains. why be good when you can be great? 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donald trump. does? you have to eat it with your fingers. my hands. i'm a man. >> how would you eat it? >> with my hands. >> we all know that donald is a germ freak, so why should critics stick a knife in him for using a knife and fork on kfc? maybe because this is trump's second cutleryfaux pas. first when he took sarah palin out for pizza. maybe it is not as weird as eating a snickers with a knife and fork as characters on "seinfeld" did. >> look. he is cutting up an almond joe. >> i saw someone on the streets eating and mm with a spoon. >> what is to stop you from eating kfc with a knife and fork. >> inject it into your artery with a neelelike this. >> use your hands and then use the grease to keep the comb over in place. >> there are no do overs when candidates eat in public. >> i learned early on not to eat in front of all of you. >> after hillary resisted eating cheesecake, stephen colbert taught her how to do it. >> take the cover off and then eat as much as you want. >> he used the fork and hands straddling the issue like a politician. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> now i'm hungry. p popeye's after this. thanks for watching. i'll sea you right back here tomorrow night at 10:00. good night. e you right back her tomorrow night at 10:00. good night. in 1996, tracfone began with one important belief: wireless should be affordable for everyone. twenty years later, we're still making it easy to save money on smartphones! our new smartphone plan is just $15/month. you get talk, text, and data with unlimited carryover®, with no contract and coverage on one of america's largest 4glte networks. plus, we have new 4g lte smartphones starting at under $50 bucks. new smartphones. new plans. new ways to do everything for less with tracfone. available at walmart i'm not a customer, but i'm calling about that credit scorecard. 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was shot in the foot and leg. >> there was about 17 of us in there. only five or six made it out. >> reporter: he describes the moment the s.w.a.t. team breached the wall to rescue the victims inside. >> while the gun fire is still going on, other police officers are running in there with no regard for their safety and they are pulling some of those people out. >> reporter: president obama and vice-president joe biden spent the day in orlando meeting with victims and their families. >> i held and hugged grieving family members and parents. they asked, why does this keep happening? they pleaded that we too more to stop the carnage. >> obama's presidency challenged by dozens of mass shootings forcing him to be consoler and chief. could this massacre have been avoided. investigators are piecing together the killer's past. cnn has obtained documents showing that the killer had behavioral issues dating back to elementary school. the school records show he was disciplined 31 times between 1992 and 1999 for rude and aggressive behavior. a former elementary school classmate tells cnn that the shooter once threatened to bring a gun to school and kill everyone. >> he was always a little out there, didn't have too many friends. >> robert circle and other classmates told cnn that in the days following cnn, the killer claimed osama bin laden was his uncle. and he joked about the attacks. >> he had his arms out making a plane noise and a boom sound, fell in his seat. he was laughing about it. >> even more new information now surfacing and coming from jenson beach, florida, not far from where the gunman lived. an employee at a gun shop there saying he initially called the fbi in the days before the shooting reporting that this individual had actually stopped by their shop to try to purchase level 3 body armor. however, when fbi agents asked to see perhaps more documentation or at least more information and a possible sales documentation, it was not available. when asked if there was any possible surveillance video, that also was not available. what this does t really does speak to the fact that investigators want anybody that sees something to say something. >> they have a lot more to learn. polo sandoval in orlando. from the investigation to the politics. donald trump and john mccain are teaming up against president obama to atk his an toti-terror strategy. the senate set to vote on several gun control measures as early as next week. we are live in washing with more. >> manu. >> bipartisan talks about gun legislation have stalled on capitol hill despite senator murphy leading a 15-hour filibuster. nothing has changed but encontinue intensifying tensions on this red hot issue. >> it is almost like they gave up on isis. >> donald trump taking on president obama joining fellow republicans as framing the orlando shooting as an issue of terrorism rather than guns. >> to a large extent, he is blaming guns. >> i am going to save your second amendment, folks. >> top republican, john mccain, striking a similar tone, laying blame for the massacre squarely at the president's feet. >> barack obama is directly responsible for it. when he pulled everybody out of iraq, al qaeda went to syria, became isis and isis is what it is today thanks to barack obama's failures. the 2008 republican nominee clarifying within minutes that he misspoke, saying in a statement. i did not mean to imply the president was personally responsible. i was referring to president obama's national security decisions, not the president himself. democrats quick to pounce with harry reid spokesman telling cnn, senator mccain's unhinged comments are the latest proof that senate republicans are pick puppets of donald trump. >> they are going to have to explain to the american people why they are just plain handmadens of the national rifle association. >> both sides of the aisle presenting competed legislation aimed at keeping suspected terrorists calling for guns z democrats calling for an out right ban of sales for those on a terror watch list. they say this could unfairly target innocent americans. >> an idea many democrats call meaningless. >> it is a fake, a way for them to say they are doing something when they are doing nothing. >> as we expect the four gun bills to fail in the senate monday evening, watch for this fight to become a wedge issue in senate races across the country, specially in a handful of blue states where incumbent senators are battling to hang on to their seats. pat toomey helped draft a bill that failed in 2013 opposes a bill to prevent suspected terrorists from getting guns. democrats have rejected his effort to compromise with his own bill. this issue very quickly being wrapped up in election year politics. >> manu, you have given us a lot to think about. let's talk more about the political battle over guns as well as the criticism about president obama's terror response. we bring in phil mattingly and errol lewis. thanks so much for being here. so, on capitol hill, is this just going to be a pathetic deja vu of everybody ringing their hands and nothing happening? is there any way these competing bills could get some traction? >> no. this has become a very politicized issue. of course, it is in congress, on capitol hill, everything is politicized. the key thing is what nancy pelosi and paul ryan said. neither believe the other party's suggestions are there. as long as there is no trust or legitimate negotiations. there are a few law makers who have negotiated in good faith. party leaders are trying to shut down the negotiations. they don't like this issue or where it is going. monday will be four votes on four amendments to an appropriations bill. >> i would argue we are in a slightly different moment. you have donald trump opening the door to close this terror loophole. if you are on a watch list, can you still buy a weapon? you currently can. >> you see democrats say, let's not try to ban automatic weapons. let's focus on p background checks and if you are being investigated, you can't buy a weapon. isn't there some room for that to move forward? >> i would think so. this is the lowest p fruit you can imagine. the notion that you can't get on a plane, because we think there is something unusual or suspicious about you. if you want to go buy a gun, sure, go buy a gun, a high-powered gun at that. i think the factor that could change all of this, we hope that the public gets involved. what's so striking about all of this, is if it plays out as phil suggests, the reality is, it is very much at odds with what the publics say they want. >> they want expanded background checks. >> the notion it gets insul plated from all the sentiment is a matter of people not picking up the phone. we know how this works on capitol hill. there are people probably the summer interns that have to record all of those calls. how many people call for or against this idea or that bill. this really would be a good time. if people really cared about this issue, to spend a couple of minutes today, over the weekend and on monday to let their representatives know, specially in the senate, how they feel about these things. >> manu, donald trump is an interesting wild card. i am going to ask phil. sorry. donald trump is an interesting wild card here, because he is going off message in terms of the republicans. his first supporter in congress, senator jeff sessions and one of the most ardent, seems to be bristling at donald trump's position. i am going to sit down with the nra and say that people on terror watch lists shouldn't get their hands on gun. there is nothing wrong with donald trump trying toner jize the discussion and work out something that we can all agree on. i think that's positive. but the gun control issue is not the greatest issue in the world and the congressional republicans should not take cues from trump on this subject. >> uncomfortable, right? what he is saying publicly is what i heard in a series of e-mails and text messages shortly after donald trump's tweet hit from republicans aides. this is a difficult position. their leaders, their members have sided with the nra on this issue to this point. when it comes to banning people on terror watch lists from purchasing guns, the answer is no. they will be opposed to that every single time. what donald trump has done is given a new line of attack to democrats. david made the point. he brought this issue to the forefront of a presidential campaign. an issue that democrats have been trying to repeatedly push to the forefront. now, the presumptive republican nominee is doing just that. i think the issue for jeff sessions is, this is also a protection issue. 24 republican senators are up for re-election, 12 in bluish-purplish states. this is a wedge issue thu don't want to be talking about. >> donald trump is consistent in his world view. he wants to abrinl the freedom of religion but having a religious test for muslims that come into america, he is okay with abridging second amendment freedoms. if you are on a watch list, you shouldn't be able to buy a gun even if you don't get due process. there is some consistency. a lot of second amendment advocates say, we may be with you on that thing but not this thing. >> some of the respective conservative voices have been saying, not trump, because he has a interventionist, activist side to him in some policies. this is one example. this is pretty heavy handed stuff. he is just talking about having a conversation in order to advance his own politics. he is trying to redraw the map in ways that some of the senate republicans don't necessarily want to see him try. >> maybe it is also just called common sense. maybe he is not sort of navigating all the political waters here. maybe he is just giving his gut response. people on terror watch lists shouldn't have guns. >> he has had this position before. he was asked about this in the wake of paris and san bernardino. people on the watch list shouldn't get this. this isn't a shift of position. the difference is, he is now the nra's endorsed candidate. it is just a tweet. he hasn't elaborated on it. nobody knows what he means and where he is coming down on policy. that is the confusion with the republicans. >> i did talk to sam bogut who said, we are fine with people not having guns. >> we have just a few seconds left. i want to bring in the issue of senator mccain who went after president obama and walked a statement back. let's play the shorter version of what senator mccain said tying orlando to the president's national security strategy. >> barack obama is directly responsible for it because when he pulled everybody out of iraq, al qaeda went to syria, became isis and isis is what it is today thanks to barack obama's failures, utter failures. >> he said he is responsible for orlando. he walked that back. it was unfortunate. he meant to indict the president's policies and not go to the president individually. aside from that, he is bringing up the president's foreign policy, his inaction in certain areas. that's controversial enough in terms of what he is saying and arguing. >> it may or may not apply to the orlando massacre. this is a thing. there are some people, apparently senator cain is one of them, who this is this is all inspired by isis overseas. that's where the focus should be. there are others that think this is an immigration question or a hate crime. some of the president's remarks suggest that it was inspired by that. from everything we know about the killer, there is a mental health side to this. >> guys, thanks so much for being here. have a nice weekend. we have breaking news to get to right now. iraqi troops reportedly recapturing a key government building from isis in central fallujah. the head of the iraqi federal police force announcing his troops have raised the iraqi national flag over fallujah's may jo mayoral building. they have recaptured an entire central fallujah neighborhood. john kerry calling a memo from his own diplomates, blasting president obama's policy in syria, an important statement. more than 50 state department officials taking a stand calling on the president to order air strikes against bashir assad's regime in syria. more than a quarter of a million people have been killed during the past five years of civil war in syria. >> england is in shock over the murder of a member of the british parliament. 41-year-old lawmaker, jo cox was shot and killed outside of a library as she was leaving a meeting near the town of lees. a 52-year-old suspect has been maintained. they are planning to put up a sign warning park--goers of alligators two days after a 2-year-old was killed in a gator attack. he died of traumatic injuries and drowning. the family released a statement saying they are devastated. words cannot describe our sudden loss. >> we sure wish those signs had been up earlier. people don't think, even though it says 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>> allison, not only the text messages but the fbi has come up with p statements during the interviews. that is enough to file some charges. having said that, the bureau does have the electronic devices, the phone that was used by the shooter. they have got all those text messages. it is going to be very interesting to see what the back and forth was. i know we have heard some of it. i am sure there was more. it sounds like he was communicating with her, trying to find out if his story on facebook was trending, what's going on on tv. i mean, she could have called 911 at that particular point. instead, she decided to call him back or attempted to call him back. >> art, there is another development, that is that a gun shop owner in that area of florida says that he tried to alert the fbi before this happened because somebody suspicious came in and was trying to buy a load of ammunition and body armor. he says that the fbi never followed up. listen to this gun shop owner from lotus gun works in jenson beach, florida. >> when he was on his cell phone, he had a conversation in a foreign language that was even more concerning. then, he came back and he was requesting ammo. so he wanted bulk ammo. so, at that time, he declined any business and he left the store. we had no link, no contact. we didn't know who he was m but we did contact authorities and let them know. we just had a suspicious person that was in here. >> art, why wouldn't the fbi have followed up on that one? >> reporter: well, there is some confusion in the story. i have heard two or three different versions. one is that they did attempt to follow up on it. apparently, there was two situations going on. there was some police officers from the middle east that were there trying to buy some police equipment and then this incident supposedly with the shooter. when questioned, one of the stories i heard when questioned, the gun store owner by the fbi, he was unable to provide any type of identifying information, name, photographs. there was no surveillance. they didn't get a license plate number. so it was pretty difficult for the bureau to follow up on that if, in fact, that's the case. is this another red flag? it could be. the details are kind of mixed at this point. >> i hear you. ivory, i want to talk with you about how you are doing. you lost six of your friends that night? >> yeah. >> how are you coping today? >> it's a little difficult. it's very hard for me to enjoy a lot of the things that i used to enjoy, just feeling guilty about doing certain things like listening to music or just being young and like posting a lot on social media like feeling like i look at other people's posts now and it's like if i see them posting something happy about like being at the beach or doing something fun like it upsets me specially if they are part of the lgbt community or if they live in orlando. i am like, why are you post being happy things? >> we have heard this from so many of the survivors, this phenomenon of survivors guilt, that why did you make it out when six of your friends didn't? that's a completely natural reaction? i don't know that there is any answer to that. >> i don't think that there will ever be. like i said, i mean, i just thank god that i made it out. we were so confused at the moment like i don't know what this is. it doesn't make sense to me. i don't even know if this guy is a terrorist. a part of me feels like he is a bit of a narcissist and he just wants to do something that is bigger than him. >> we have learned more about his behavioral issues that started from the time he was a child. >> are you trying to make sense of this? >> i am. i feel like he is more on a psycho, a bit of a psychopath. i feel like this was just something to show, look what i can do. >> did you see the gunman? >> i didn't see him. >> do you know how you made it out alive? just quick reaction. i've always been one of those people that if i hear a loud noise, i am gone. i don't stick around to figure out what it was or make sense of it. i feel like the noise was too loud to ever be mistaken for anything else but gunshots. >> what ivory was saying, there has been information that has emerged about this gunman's profile and teachers from the time of kindergarten were saying he had behavioral issues, he was angry, he used inappropriate language. there are flags a mile long in his school records. what could law enforcement or anyone have done about that? >> reporter: i think we have to dismiss the juvenile record. even from a legal perspective, we don't use juvenile records to look at unless there is something, a connection. here it is, a connection. we can just put that aside as juvenile behavior. go back to his adult life and there are flags everywhere. he tried to be a law enforcement officer and couldn't make it and then took every job that was under the position of law enforcement officer, whether it was security guard. he was just a disenfranchised individual that was looking for some place to land. unfortunately, he landed in the jihadist camp. >> art, thank you. >> ivory, take care of yourself. are you reaching out for help? >> i am. >> it is going to be a long road but we are happy that you survived and i know that your boyfriend was out of town and you are very grateful he was not there that night. thank you for sharing your story. to find out how you can help survivors and victims families of the orlando attack, go to cnn.com/impact. david? 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>> i think it is hard for anybody to imagine just having seen the images displayed and hearing the stories that have been told by the individuals you have on and other media outlets that you have on, not to feel a great deal of sympathy for these individuals. no reason for any american to have to endure the kind of suffering these individuals have suffered. we need to be very clear. we don't need to allow again a crazed muslim terrorist to derail or change the plans or activities that we have as americans. i think there is no more than this particular individual would love, this terrorist, than to think that he has changed a significant number of plans for americans and also that maybe gun control measures will be instituted regarding the use of firearms here in the united states because of his actions. i am sure that there is nothing that he would have liked more than for that to occur. i don't concede to the idea we should change our plans because this individual inappropriately used a firearm. >> representative holt, you are making a slightly different argument that somehow a terrorist is going to change our american lifestyle. >> that's what we are allowing to happen. >> i think others would have a different point of view. in this particular case, you have a weapon of war that happened to be used in 14 other mass assaults and murders in our country in recent years. by giving away a gun like this, you can understand a lot of people saying, there is a lack of humanity in doing something like this, not recognizing a lot of people think the gun culture had something to do with this, the wide availability of a gun like this. >> i think you have made a couple of incorrect assessments. you called this a military weapon or an assault weapon. it is a semiautomatic rifle, very similar to any other out there on the market. there is not a failure of the gun here in this particular situation. there is obviously a failure of the fbi, a failure of other government agencies that should have been overviewing this particular purchase. as i have sat here this morning waiting to come on with you, we recognize that the gun shop owner actually reached out to the fbi. failure after failure after failure. what are they planning on doing? >> you are an elected official. that's an important point. if you are a supporter of the second amendment as are others that are looking at measures that would close this terror gap. if you are on a watch list, should you be able to buy a gun? he was not on a watch list. there is an amendment to say if you are on a watch list within five years, you shouldn't be able to buy a gun. given be what you are saying, of fbi failures, would you support such a measure? >> i am a state lawmaker but i don't get to make those decisions but one day if i go to congress i will have the opportunity to do that. i think there is a reason for terror suspects not to get firearms. a man that has devoted himself to isis and radical islam. that's a precursor that should disallow an individual to have a firearm, to keep and bear firearms here in the united states. anyone who has pledged support to an institution or an organization that is inherently anti-american, probably doesn't need to be able to have firearms. >> if they are not on a watch list currently but have been within the past five years, would you support a crackdown and not allow someone to get a weapon. >> i would support our federal government implements laws and being strategic in their implementation of those laws. until there are significant policy changes related to again my opinion is the argument should be radical islam and gun-free zones. unfortunate unfortunately, the media wants to focus on the ar-15, the gun, not the person who is pulling the trigger of that gun. i think that's where the focus needs to be. we can villainize this firearm all we want to. ultimately, what we are leading ourselves to is further control. >> you are talking about what the media may be doing. let's take the media out of it for a second. why don't we point to one of our leading commander's in afghanistan, general stanley mcchrystal who talks about a weapon like the ar-15 and absolutely refers to it as a weapon of war. you are talking about giving away an ar-15 so that people can defend themselves. if people had had an ar-15 or similar weapon, they would become safer. here is what general mcchrystal writes. today, some of our politicians and the people that back them, seem to promote a culture of gun ownership that does not conform with what i learned in the military. here at home, many of us are alarmed by the carnage, alarm by the loopholes that let felons and domestic abuseers get hold of guns without a background check. we are alarmed that a known or suspected terrorist can go to a federally funded license. >> general mcchrystal has not talked about the failure of the weapon but the failure of the government. he said multiple times, people that have been convicted of felonies ordo mess sti domestic. those folks don't merit to keep arms. in my opinion, it is not scary for a lawful citizens here in the united states to own and keep arms. the problem is when we have a failed system that allows individuals who should not get these arms when arms fall in their hands. that exact same tool. that's what a firearm is. it is a tool that can be used for different things. in the hands of a crazed criminal, it is a dangerous things. in my hands or the hands of another law-abiding citizens, it is a tool that can be used for self-defense and other purposes. >> thank you for your views we are going to talk about sports. what is going on with steph curry. the warrior superstar losing his cool in game six of the finals. we have the bleacher report next. see me. see me. don't stare at me. see me. see me. see me to know that psoriasis is just something that i have. i'm not contagious. see me to know that... ...i won't stop until i find what works. discover cosentyx, a different kind of medicine for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. proven to help the majority of people find clear or almost clear skin. 8 out of 10 people saw 75% skin clearance at 3 months. while the majority saw 90% clearance. do not use if you are allergic to cosentyx. before starting, you should be tested for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur... ...tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms... ...such as fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough. or if you have received a vaccine or plan to. if you have inflammatory bowel disease, tell your doctor if symptoms develop or worsen. serious allergic reactions may occur. see me. see me. see me. on my way. find clear skin... and a clearer path forward. for a different kind of medicine, ask your dermatologist about cosentyx. ♪ "dinner!" 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armitage who says he will be voting for hillary clinton. >> if donald trump is the nominee, i would vote for hillary clinton. he doesn't appear to be a republican. he doesn't appear to want to learn about issues. so i'm going to vote for mrs. clinton. >> i laugh because rich armitage was the figure who leaked valerie plain's name and let it fall on scooter libby. i believe i am connect in saying he was a close associate and deputy to colin powell who couldn't bring himself to vote for john mccain or mitt romney. >> this is not important to you. you are dismissing it? >> i am dismissing it exactly with amusement. >> i can see that. michael, what do you make of what's happened in the past few days since this terrible massacre in orlando where donald trump is breaking with republican orthodoxy and saying, yeah, i don't think people on the terror watch list should have guns. what effect do you think that will have on this campaign? >> one of the few bright moments within the trump campaign. he has also reinforced his belief that muslims should be banned from this country and speaking of the fur roar that has been unleashed in his rallies. he is acknowledging there ought to be common sense when it comes to gun control. a person on a no-fly list shouldn't be able to buy a gun. it seems like common sense. in one sense, they are kavetching about donald trump. the republican parties inclinations have produced this full grown baby called donald trump. >> republicans don't seem to know what to make of donald trump's position that people on the terror list shouldn't have access to guns. it seems to have thrown them for a loop. in fairness to donald trump, let me read you a tweet that donald trump sent out. reports of discord are pure fix. great events lined up all over texas. republicans will win in november. that's different than what some of the other leading republicans have said. what do you make with how he has seemed to have broken with the party message? >> i think donald trump is donald trump. i am not at all surprised that he would do something like this. in a moment of national tragedy, he is trying to find, as are some other people, a way to resolve the problem here. he is very much pro second amendment. i think reince priebus has it exactly right. reports of discord are greatly exaggerated. >> i want to talk about this op ed where you are calling on people to protest. >> i know these words can be read as a call to violence unseen at a national political convention. we have a positive moral obligation to protest the nomination of this racist demagogue for president. >> i am not talking about violence from the people going to protest but about enduring the violence. at donald trump rallies, pushing people around, suggesting that racism is an okay thing. >> the protesters have been violent at his rallies as well. >> they have not been violent in trying to physically assault their viewpoints. >> outside, we have seen protesters who are protesting donald trump cause all sorts of disruption. there has been vandalism. look at this. >> i'm not speaking of that. i am speaking of protesting in terms of expressing your viewpoint that donald trump represents something that is problematic in this country. i'm not speaking about protesters that will go anywhere and do anything. >> that is what they do. >> that is not what all of them do. that is what some of them have done. what i'm calling for is a vehement expression and articulation of disgruntlement with what donald trump represents, the amplification of bigotry, anti-muslim. >> and if violence happens, you are saying so be it. >> i am saying the violence against the people there. i am not sanctioning violence on the part of the people protesting. the more likely scenario is enduring of violence. when i link that with what is going on with the african-american protest, i'm talking about black people that are linked with those that despise them. >> i believe very strongly in the first amendment and anybody's right to protest anything. the key to it is, of course, nonviolence. that's where we get into trouble here. i would certainly hope that professor dyson is going to lead a march on the democratic national committee at their convention and ask them to apologize for slavery. they have six platforms still standing in which they call for slavery in the united states. i never hear anything about that. i would think that would be pretty bad here. >> i am against slavery wherever it exists. what i'm against now in the present day is the refusal to acknowledge the humanity of so many other people and the inability, it seems, of the trump campaign to do anything but amplify the worst sentiments and worst racial and anti-muslim and anti-mexican sentiments we have seen in such a long time here and to find discourse in the rhetoric in the person who is the presumptive republican nominee is quite troubling. >> gentlemen, you have both made your point. >> thank you, ali. we do have a lot of news. let's get right to it. during the rampage, the killer exchanged text messages with his wife. >> it was almost like time stopped. >> there was about 17 of us in there. only five or six made it out. >> after the worst of remanity reared its evil head, the best of humanity came roaring back. >> we do not take away a citizens right. >> donald trump says he has the ability to talk tough to terrorists but he does not have the courage to talk tough to the nra. days after 2-year-old lane graves was killed in a gator attack, they are re-assessing their safety precautions. >> were there enough signs up about alligators in the water? good morning, everyone. welcome to your "new day." chris cuomo is off today. we have david gregory. great to have you here. incredible news to report. more developments today. let's get to those. there are new details emerging about the communications between the orlando terrorist and his wife during the gay nightclub attack. disturbing details about his extensive history of behavioral issues dating all the way back to grade school. >> president obama is ripping gun control opponents after meeting with the victims and families of sunday's massacre. several votes on gun measures are now set for next week. will anything get done this time around. we are going to begin our coverage with cnn's paul polo sandoval. >> reporter: hard to believe that seven days ago, the staff at pulse nightclub was getting ready for what was supposed to be a very busy weekend. instead, today, federal agents again arriving at the crime scene for what will be day six of thin vest gags. the federal agents learning that the gunman likely used his cell phone during the shooting, not just to browse facebook but to text his wife as well. >> reporter: two hours into the three-hour orlando shooting terror attack while holed up in a bathroom in a standoff with police, investigators say the killer exchanged text messages with his wife asking if she had seen the news. she also tried calling him several times during the ram panel but he didn't answer. this as chilling new video from inside the gay nightclub surfaces. it was taken by a survivor as the killer passed inside one of the club's bathrooms. frightened club--goers huddling together hoping they wouldn't be next. the man that recorded the grainy video was shot in the foot and leg. >> there were about 17 of us in there. only five or six made it out. >> they described the moment the s.w.a.t. team breached the wall to rescue the p individuals inside. >> as our officers engaged, other police officers are running in there with no regard for their safety pulling some of those victims out. >> reporter: president obama and vice-president joe biden spent the day in orlando meeting with victims and their families. >> i held and hugged grieving family members and parents. they asked, why does this keep happen s happening? they pleaded that we do more to stop the carnage. >> obama's presidency challenged by dozens of mass shootings. could this massacre have been avoided? investigators are piecing together the killer's past. cnn has obtained documents showing that the killer had behavioral issues dating back to elementary school. st. lucia county school records show he was disciplined 31 times between 1992 and 1999 for rude and aggressive behavior. a former el tamt skier classmate tells cnn that the shooter once threatened to bring a gun to school and kill everybody. >> he was always a little out there, didn't have too many friends. >> robert circle and other classmates told cnn in the dates following 9/11, he claimed osama bin laden was his uncle. he joked about the attacks. >> he was acting like a plane, making a plane noise and a boom sound or an explosion type of sound, fell in his seat and was laughing about it. >> reporter: a gun shop owner about two hours south of here is coming forward saying they had initially notified the fbi in the days before the shooting saying a suspicious individual had stopped by and tried to purchase body armor as well as several rounds of ammunition that was not sold. however, when investigators asked at the time for surveillance video, for purchase records, that was provided. they say they believe that individual was the man responsible for so much pain here. >> it is so tough to hear, polo, that they couldn't connect the dots sooner. thank you very much for the reporter terrorism and gun control, a hot topic on capitol hill. donald trump and john mccain slamming the president's anti-terror strategy all while the senate prepares to vote next week on four new gun control bills. cnn'smanu raju live. >> earlier this week, there were talks to see if there could be a deal to prevent suspected terrorists from buying guns. those talks have collapsed. after democratic senator chris murphy led a fill buster to demand action on gun control, nothing has changed other than intensifying tensions over this red hot issue. >> it is almost like they gave up on isis. >> donald trump taking on president obama, joining fellow republicans in framing the orlando shooting as an issue of terrorism rather than guns. >> to a large extent, he is blaming guns and i'm going to save your second amendment. >> john mccain striking a similar tone laying blame for the massacre at president's feet. barack obama is directly responsible. when he pulled everybody out of iraq, al qaeda went to syria, became isis and isis is what it is today, thanks to barack obama's failures. >> reporter: the 2008 republican nominee clarifying within minutes that he misspoke saying in a statement, i did not mean to imply that the president was personally responsible. i was refer tog president obama's national security decisions, not the president himself. democrats quick to pounce. with senate minority reader, harry reid telling cnn, senator mccain's unhinged comments are the latest proof that senate republicans are puppets of donald trump. this is happening as the gun debate continues to rage on capitol hill. >> is going after the second amendment how you stop terrorism. >> the republicans are going to have to explain to the american people why they are just plain handmadens of the national rifle association. >> reporter: with democrats calling for an out right ban of sales for those on a terror watch list. something republicans say could unfairly target innocent americans. republicans proposing to delay gun sales to allow the fbi to investigate. an idea many democrats call meaningless. >> it is a fake, a way for them to say they are doing something when they are doing nothing. >> as we expect the four gun bills to fail in the senate monday evening, watch for this fight to become a wedge issue across the country in key senate races as republicans try to find. republican senator, pat tumi, helped draft the universal background checks that failed in 2014. he has his own bill on this terror issue that democrats themselves have already rejected. very quickly, david, this issue getting wrapped up in election year politics. >> absolutely. our next guest is proposing legislation that he says would balance republican concerns about the second amendment rights with those of safety. david jolly joins us now. congressman, good morning, good to see you. >> good to be with you, david. i do want to start with something i think you are trying to address. the politics around guns becomes so difficult because you have on the one hand saying anybody who wants any abridgement of gun rights, they want to take away the second amendment. there are those who are progressives that do want to ban certain kinds of guns which offends a lot of gun owners and rights advocates. how do we change the approach here where gun owners, gun rights enthusists say there is a role to be played to try to deal with the fact that so many weapons are used in these events? >> there is. i'm a second amendment advocate, but just as heartbroken as every other american. the politics aren't working or reflecting our better angels and american values. when they say folks are complicit in the shooting, when they yell, shake on the house floor, it is wrong. so too is the inaction on our side of the aisle and comments from our presidential nominee on our side of the aisle. the politics and blame are getting us nowhere. these solutions are just within reach. if we drop the partisan divide, we can do that. i've circulated legislation to bridge that divide. let's talk about. if david gregory is on a terror watch list, i can go buy a weapon. you are saying, no, we should change that. if i'm on a terror watch list, i should not be able to buy a gun. you are saying, let's make it so i can't buy a gun. there is a caveat you want to include in that. >> it is common sense. if you are on a watch list, you shouldn't buy a gun. it is common sense. the democratic proposal is flawed where it provides no due process for an individual, like ted kennedy, who is wrongly on that list to be petitioned to be removed. if you are on the watch list, you can't buy a gun. if you are turned down, the government has ten days to notify you and you are entitled to a due process hearing within 30 days where the government must prove by a preponderance of the evidence why you should be prohibited to purchasing a firearm. the proceeding is secret to protect privacy but the individual is entitled to all the classified information used against them. >> early on in an investigation of whether or not an individual is a terrorism or a potential terrorism. you want that individual to be notified they are on the list and to confront some of that evidence. i want to play some sound by jim comby who has proposed this. >> if someone on the watch list purchases or attempts to purchase a firearm, an immediate alert is sent to the agents who are source of the suspicion about that individual so they can incorporate that information into their investigation. it is a little bit challenging for us. known or suspected means it hasn't been adjudicated in every case that somebody is a terrorist that somebody were investigating. we don't want to blow our investigation. >> the challenge here congressman is that we want investigators to connect the dots. we don't want them to miss shooters like in this case. >> of course. >> do you worry what you are proposing would do that, hamper their ability to investigate? >> if you are on the no fly list and you go to buy a ticket, you are going to be turned down as well. this creates flexibility for the government to have ten days for how they notify the individual why they were turned down. if it is an immediate investigation and immediate emergency, there is flexibility for the government to do that. understand, though, i have drafted this bill. i have not yet introduced it. i circulate td to all of my colleagues to say, help me make it better. how do we solve this, republicans and democrats? david, let's inject some radical common sense into this issue. on my side of the aisle, if you are on the no-fly list, you shouldn't be able to buy a gun. on the left, you shouldn't be able to throw due process and second amendment rights under the bus simply for a political agenda. politics divide. it is heartbreaking and it is going to destroy us. >> the point is well made. certainly, throwing due process out, there are lots of things we do in society in the name of protection, we willfully give up aspects of our personal liberty. when my ten-year-old son goes through a random screening, it is fairly ridiculous but i have aseeded that for the greater good. why do you think some due process needs to be abridged. >> you are on the watch list without any notification. the fbi can continue its investigation. if you go to purchase a firearm, which is a constitutionally protected privilege, the government says you are not allowed to. i believe that individual is entitled to know why. it can be done in a private hearing where only unclassified information is presented to that individual. i believe an american citizen is due to know why their government is turning down a constitutional protection. is there an easy solution here? no. we can balance due process, second amendment rights with our national security interest in the common sense of not letting a terrorist buy a gun. >> you have made your two quick political points. do you think your legislation or any legislation will pass the house? >> it should. i am from florida. we left a state that was united in mourning together sunday night. i got on a plane and went to a congress that is divided for no other reason. the american people are begging for unity. we have a congress that is peddling partisan divide for a winner take all november agenda. we can protect the second amendment while protecting our communities in due process and keeping terrorists from buying guns. >> before you go, what about running for the senate yourself? you have talked about running for the seat vacated by senator marco rubio. >> i have been running and marco saying he is getting in. i would love to announce this on national news this morning. i owe it to my community p to wait until noon today. i will let my community be know my intentions. >> i thought that just between us might work. thanks so much for your time. alisyn, to you investigators have now recovered both black boxes from the wreckage of egypt flight 804 in the mediterranean. the aircraft's flight data recorder was found overnight. that device was damaged, as was the cockpit and voice recorder. investigators were able to retrieve the memory unit from it. it is now on its way to egypt for analysis. egypt 804 crashed last month on a flight from paris to egypt. 66 people on board. >> a sobering assessment of the campaign against isis from the head of the cia. john brennan telling a senate committee despite gains, efforts to disrupt the group's ability to kecarry out and inspire the terror attacks have failed. he called the radicalization of the lone wolf attacker ex specially challenging. >> disney plans on putting up a sign at their resorts warning guests of alligators after a 2-year-old was snatched and dragged into a lagoon by a gator. martin savidge is covering this. where we now have an officialle cause of death of how the child died. it was a combination of factors, trauma and also drowning. meanwhile, the florida fish and wildlife organization is saying, it is very critical. they need to make sure they have captured and euthanized the correct alligator in this attack. the way they are making that confirmation, the alligators they have killed, they will compare the teeth to the puncture wounds on the child. vital to make sure that alligator is captured. the changes that have come to disney, they have alluded to them. more than just signs. we are conducting a swift and thorough review of all of our processes and protocols, including the numbers and placement and wording of our signage and warning. you will remember that the sign that is were at the grand floridian where this attack took place. simply ask guests not to go swimming. many have felt it was more appropriate to say, there are alligators. this is dangerous in the water there. those are the changes we expect to see. >> thank you, martin savidge, very much in florida this morning. singer and former voice contestant, christina grimmie, will be laid to rest exactly a week after she was gunned down in orlando. ♪ that's video of the 22-year-old singer's last performance. she was shot by an obsessed fan during a meet and greet with some of her fans. adam levine is paying for the funeral expenses. >> the orlando terrorist and his wife exchanging text messages during the attack. what did they say? did the wife know what was happening? we are talking to the orange county mayor and a survivor whose best friend died. you will know that name coming up next. 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mass shooting in u.s. history. he is making an appeal for change during his nine th visito the scene of a mass shooting. let's bring in the mayor of orange county, florida, teresa jacob and a survival of the attack who lost his best friend, demise rawlings. mayor, i would like to start with you. what were they able to do and say to the community? >> sometimes just being physically here is all you can do and say. we're so honored and so touched that the president and vice-president are here physically, came to visit with families and our first responders, and for even the people he wasn't able to talk to directly. it means so much to us as a community and so many that are healing. demetrius certainly on the front line really taking the bront of this. all of us have been hurt and impacted, because we love each other here in this community. knowing that the president, our president, has come to care is extremely important to our healing process. >> demetrius, were you able to hear the president or meet with him? >> i saw it on the news. i didn't go to it, because i was dealing with a lot of other things. plans for funerals and candlelighting. so unfortunately, i didn't go to see the president. >> i want to talk about what you endured that night, because you were at the pulse nightclub with your best friend, eddy justice. we have all learned eddy justices name and story because of the series of text messages that he and his mother exchanged while this was happening. he was telling his mom that he loved him. here on the screen are some of the text messages. he was trying to get help. he was telling his mom to call the police and that there were a bunch of people in the bathroom and where police could find them. sadly, the police did not make it in time to save eddy. i know you are haunted by the last exchange that you had with him. can you tell us about those moments? >> absolutely. one thing i will say before i say that, eddy justice was a really good person, a very outspoken, loveable person. so we're going to speak on love. that night was just not a horror movie. it was the boogeyman. knowing that you don't know who is there to come get you or what's going to go on, because you don't see him. you are waiting for the light to come on and your parents to say, hey, it is okay. it is all right. you are safe and is no one is going to hurt you. you are out of harm, danger. that night started very late for us, actually, you know. i believe we probably were the last three people to walk in the club, because we got to the club really late. it was like 1:45. my last snap message was at 2:02. the other one was all blurry to me. the light goes out and people were around scattered. me and eddy just had ran into the women's bathroom. when i ran into the women's bathroom, i got this ball in my stomach, this was just a trap. you need to get out. i looked at him. i told him i was like, this is a trap. we need to get out. he looked at me with the face of, i'm afraid. when you are always the one that takes care of your friends, they look at you to be the big brother. that's how the relationship was with us. he was like, please, don't let dpoe of go of my hand. make sure you get us out. me and eddy were always hand in hand, right hand to right hand. when i walked out of that bathroom -- >> i don't want to interrupt. i just want you to know that even though you were supposed to be his big brother or you thought that you were, there was nothing that you could do that night. i know that you feel terrible that you got separated from eddy but, it was chaos. it was a war zone in there. >> it is easy to say not to blame yourself when you are the survivor and you lost someone. it's totally different. it kills you every day that you wake up, knowing you are not going to get another text message or to know that there is going to be your best friend. i can only imagine what his mother is going through, because she has to bury her son, her child. i will never know what that feels like. i will only know what it feels like to lose a best friend, a brother, a companion that goes beyond a friendship. this community we are in is more than just a community. this is a family to us. we were in our comfort zone. this was somewhere like church. this could have happened at church, the movie theater. >> this is where you were safe. >> a safe haven. >> it is. >> so mayor, i just want to ask you, what are you doing for the community moving forward? >> you know, we are trying to use this as an opportunity for all of us to learn to care more. there air lot of people who still harbor indifference and bigotry and hatred and this is an opportunity for people to see what we know here in orlando and orange county. we are all brothers and sisters. we all have to take care of each other. if more people felt that way, we would have less hate. we would have less young men growing up and young women growing up feeling so conflicted and so lost. we do what we can here. we are bringing our churches together. we have brought them together. we have called on our faith-based leaders to say, you need to be part of the solution and the healing, not part of the message that separates and al n alienates and persecutes. >> we are all following your lead with your message of love. we have heard that repeatedly. mayor teresa jacobs and demetrius, thank you for sharing your personal stories with us. >> the dynamic duo this morning with such a great moment and voice and message after such a difficult week. >> we are going to turn after a break back to presidential politics. live by the poll, die by the polls. the poll numbers show he may have trouble in his campaign. what can he do to turn things around? we'll discuss it after this we're back and back to politics this morning. donald trump down playing some new national polls that show him trailing hillary clinton. another poll showing 7 in 10 people have an unfavorable opinion of him, which is devastating as the gop nominee seems to be at war with party leaders. we want to discuss it with patrick healy, "new york times" contributor and the senior contributor to "the daily caller" matt lewis is here as well. here, you have unfavorable highs for donald trump. he is finishing his third week of bad publicity and self-inflicted wounds. he is now raising money in texas ond not anywhere near the swing states where he needs to go to start adding to his political base. >> he needs to be in ohio and pennsylvania, virginia rather than just presume all of these swing voters are going to come to them because they dislike hillary clinton so much. he is sort of trapped. he needs to raise money. they are not on the air anywhere near like hillary clinton or her superpac is in terms of fighting back to her message. he is going to these sort of safe places, letting the crowds give him the love that fuels him. >> where the money is. >> and where the money is. >> he does need to raise money. >> there is no question he needs to raise money. the unfavorable numbers are really troubling. hillary clinton hasn't gun to start uniting the democratic party. she hasn't started to do real business with bernie sanders. trump is headed in the wrong direction. >> one other thing from matt lewis, one thing that's interesting is there is a great opportunity for him to start defining hillary clinton, who is very vulnerable, you have the e-mails and leaving all the room for her to define him. talk about a missed opportunity. donald trump surprisingly closed out the republican nomination long before hillary clinton did. she still hasn't really completely finished off bernie but she is the presumptive democratic nominee. donald trump had this big head start where he really could have started to consolidate support and define hillary clinton. i think the opposite has happened. i think he has swquandored thes weeks. >> he is leaving money on the table. syria, if he made or found more ways to make connection between hillary clinton's state department and syria, instead, he is recycling these old argument zs that leads us to richard armitage, who was the deputy secretary of state under george bush, who has come out, and said, i can't in my own good conscious vote for donald trump. he says he is going to go as far as voting for hillary clinton. trump supporter, jeffrey lewis said he would never have been in the donald trump camp any way. >> if armitage doesn't support donald trump, that doesn't matter. this is a microcosm of a larnl larger problem. he has the fact that the electorate is dramatically different. i think the media kofrm has changed. on top of it all, you have republican voters and opinion leaders in the security community that are not rallying around him. he has to worry about keeping his base together. it is a huge problem. >> first of all, it could be a leading indicator for colin powell, of whom he is exceptionally close. he was the head of the state department. these are guys that had problems with the iraq war. they didn't become bush republicans on national security but they are national security republicans. if powell were to come out and endorse hillary clinton or others like armitage that endorse her, that could have a real impact on independent voters. >> if colin powell were to come out in favor of hillary clinton, it would be staggering. it would be very hard for donald trump to build up a real moral authority argument against colin powell. if it is colin powell, we don't care about him. he is not tough enough. the thing is, this gives such an advantage to hillary clinton to be able to not run a traditional democrat versus republican race. if these republicans are falling in line about her. she seems like she is the patriotic, country first, rising above. she would love to be able to run a race that's not just pure democrat versus republican usual stuff where she is seen as uniting the country and donald trump is seen as just shouting from the sidelines. >> matt, we have 30 seconds left. do you think that any of this means that donald trump's campaign is in trouble. i know you will say yes. obviously, this is all the indicators. the media and pundits have gotten it wrong. you can't count him out but i think his campaign is in danger. i think he has missed an opportunity, a window that he had. he squandored it. he can get it back but i'm telling you what nothing he is doing is leading us to believe that he is going to do that. >> matt, patrick, thank you very much for being here to get your perspective. on to the other story we have been sadly recovering. the orlando killer seemed like a devout muslim to some. we will talk to an author about islam and homosexuality next. ♪ you wish your dog could fight off fleas and ticks. but since he can't... you rely on frontline plus. because frontline plus unleashes a deadly killing force to kills fleas and ticks, plus flea eggs and larvae, preventing a new flea infestation. its 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is a violation of the muslim's privacy. for anybody to claim somebody is engaging in these activities could be also a sin of defamation. >> so fast forward 1400 years from the koran to today, are modern muslims today allowed to be openly gay? >> the answer is, one can be muslim and one can be gay. from my reading and my knowledge, many muslims around the world are living these lives in fear and underground. fast forward 1400 years. we have had severe punishments on gay muslims around the world that are not sanctioned by the principles of islam. for instance, if you think there has been a sexual transgression. the koran requires you to have full witnesses of the act, an impossible evidentiary process. muslims around the world are killed and executed for this. >> the way we have heard of things happening in iran and saudi arabia, its disgusting. >> iran, according to legal scholars, over 4,000 homosexuals have been executed since 1979. in saudi arabia, punishable for death, but rarely has anyone been prosecuted. they have dug pits and put individuals accused of homo sex ual eighth and collapsed walls on them, counter to islam's prescription for how we should behave when these things occur. >> you can understand why modern muslims would not want to come out of the closet and be openly gay given that's what's going on? >> we can also understand there is a real phenomenon of muslim homo phobia. it is sanctioned because prosecution or persecution of gay individuals is institutionalized in muslim governments very widely, more than ten muslim countries prosecute this with the death penalty. >> i want to talk about the term radical islam. this has been hotly debated again this week as it so often is. because donald trump is aggravated that barack obama wouldn't use the term. he has said, what would it matter or change if i were to use that term? >> where are you on that term? >> my feeling is it is very important. president obama's theory is that it would marginalize and vilify the entire muslim. my opinion, the entire religion is vilified by the actions of radical islamists. i think the distinction is very important. i do believe the orlando gee t jihadist was an islamist. his motives were islamist. that helps us distinguish the white and muslim body to fight this. words are very important. >> if the president were to say radical islam, what does change? how does it help fight it? >> it helps acknowledge there is an ideology that is not just a generic violent extremism but a specific ideology which targets anyone that does not subscribe to the taliban version or the isis version or the hezbollah or hamas version, versions which claim it is a religious duty to execute a jew, to execute a gay, to execute a yaziti. critics of the president feel he is too weak and muslims who are trying to make the distinction are marginalized from both directions. >> you have been so great about trying to educate people and have that conversation. what else should muslims be doing? >> the disaster and catastrophe is an opportunity for us to re-examine why these acts can be abducted by islamists like isis and the role of muslim states that have these punitive laws. no basis in the koran. >> so saudi arabia iran inverntd sharia. >> if you look at any of the ideas counter to the koran, they always supercede us. >> doctor, always great to talk to you. >> my pleasure. diplomats take more significant action in syria. will the president consider air strikes against assad. our counterterrorism experts are going to weigh in, coming up next. something even bigger. go to facebook.com, dawn saves wildlife. what if we made a paint that was so special that was such a jewel among paints that you had to seek it out. nope, even easier than that. more like taking a left on that street where you usually take a right that wasn't so hard. and if finding that paint made you and your walls beam with pride, is it still paint? benjamin moore. paint like no other. find 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administration. we know a secretary of state, hillary clinton, proposed more robust action, and president obama has resisted it? >> what breaks is what the president decides to do. let's frame this. in 2012, he draws a line and says the use of chemical weapons is outrageous. nothing happens. three and a half years later, and they say we've negotiated with them with cease far, and assad is violating the cease-fire, there has to be a cost. there is this tension, with the red line starting four years ago. the president is trying to get us out of afghanistan and iraq, and meanwhile, diplomats are saying unless we use it as a stick, in other words, trying to bring the president back in, this is mott going to succeed, the presence negotiating this effort to get out and get in. >> right. obviously there a desire to have negotiations move forward. i think it is striking that the head of the cia is onkcapitol h, we know their desire to create a caliphate is what makes them powerful. to me, there is something of a fallacy of an air strike, as opposed to how else are you going to take out tens, maybe 20,000 isis fighters without a serious commitment with ground troops. >> we saw this with the iraq war, 2004, how many tons were dropped on the city. they went to mosul. you cannot win with air power alone. the united states is leaning overwhelmingly on proxy forces to fight the fight on the ground, that are at best, secretaritarian actors, and at worst, as bad as isis. right now around fallujah, air ra -- sheikhs to be alive, isis does to people and in syria, we're relying on the kurds, we're dressing it up as a syrian defen defense force, but this is a kurdish army. they fight isis extremely well. but they're building their own nation state, which is going to create tensions in syria. >> so while this is happening, phil, there is the broader question of the influence of isis. to whatever extent isis is gaining or what is closer to the case, losing key territory, they are still a source of inspiration. you draw a dis tink between isis and al qaeda lone wolfs. explain what you mean. >> this is hugely significant, david. when we saw al qaeda attacks and plots, 10, 15 years ago, al qaeda would draw recruits in and explain to them the al qaeda way of thinking. we have to get the americans and brit tans out of the middle east and we can control the governments. it was a clear goal that went back centuries. what is happening with isis is fundamentally different. isis has said to folks, even in the past months, don't come here to recruits. attack where you are, in europe, orlando, washington. what these recruits are saying to themselves, whatever i'm angry about, gay people, america, we saw attacks on museums, whatever i'm angry about, isis gives me the validation to do what i want to do any way. so isis has become an excuse for recruits to attack, even though there is not a clear-eyedology -- >> i can clear that what brings these attacks together. >> it is in part to kill nonbelievers based on a rigid view of islam. whatever ends, michael, are they trying to serve? just a few seconds left. >> i've interviewed sector, why did you join. we hated the united states. they've done nothing to rescue our people in syria. >> they can take the young, angry and give them a sense of belonging. >> an australian fighter blew himself up, if you read his blog, he was a far left antiglobalization. >> we should mention brennan warning, they could intensify their attacks in the west. phil mudd, michael, thank you for being here. we're following a lot of news this morning. let's get to it. >> he was texting with his wife when he was barricaded in the bathroom. >> the harrowing moments inside the club. >> you can smell the blood. there was so much blood. >> we had information that he was going to put explosive vests on four people. >> grieving family members ask why does this keep happening. >> i'm going to save your second amendment, folks. >> donald trump, talking the talk. he ain't walking the walk. >> president obama, he keeps blaming guns. >> we don't act. we will keep seeing more massacres like this. >> it began in the voice of donald trump. then bernie sanders -- >> what we need is a revolution. >>announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. >> did he say a cinnamon roll revolution. i hope so. he gets my vote. we're going too be talking about that i don't think man coming up. welcome to "new day," it is july 17th. 8:00 in the east. >> he is renewing his hunting license, no, his fishing license. >> is that right? >> good to be here, though. >> all right, we do have a lot of news to cover. first up, we are learning more about the final communications from the terrorist who attacked the gay club in orlando. the deranged killer and his wife were texting during the rampage, and new information is also emerging about the killer's past behavioral issues. also, alisyn, president obama ripping gun control opponents after meeting with survivors of sunday as massacre, with several gun measure votes next week. will anything change. we're going to begin with paulo sa sandovol. >> reporter: several dozen investigators coming together as they get ready to begin day six of this investigation. meanwhile, family members are continuing to lay their loved ones to rest. he used his phone to browse facebook during the shooting, but he texted his wife as well. two hours into the three hour orlando shooting, terror attack while hold up in a bathroom in a standoff with police. investigators say the killer exchanged text messages with his wife, noor salman, asking if she had seen the news. authorities say she also tried calling him several times during the rampage, but he didn't answer. this, as chilling new video from inside the gay nightclub surfaces. it was taken by a survivor as the killer passed inside one of the club's bathrooms, frightened club goers hoping they won't be next. this woman recorded the video. >> there was about 17 of us in there, only five or six of us made it out. >> he describes the moment the s.w.a.t. team breached roach th to rescue the victims. >> other police officers are running in there, you know, no disregard no, regard for their safety and they pulled the victims out. >> president obama and vice-president joe biden spent the day in orlando meeting with victims and their families. >> i held and hugged grieving family members and parents, and they asked why does this keep happening. they pleaded that we do more to stop the carnage. >> reporter: obama's presidency forcing him to be consoler in chief, could this massacre have been avoided. investigators are now piecing together the killer's past. cnn has obtained documents showing that the killer had behavioral issues dating back to elementary school. he was disciplined 31 times, between 1992 and 1999, for rude and aggressive behavior. a former elementary school classmate tells cnn the shooter once threatened to bring a gun to school and kill everyone. >> he was always a little out there, and didn't have too many friends. >> other classmates also told cnn in the days following 9/11, the killer claimed bin laden was his uncle and joked about the attacks. >> he was making a plane noise and he made like a boom sound, like an explosion type of sound. fell in his seat. he was like laughing about it. >> reporter: there is that lingering question, while we continue to hear from people who had at least one encounter or another with the gun man. did anybody see this coming. a gunshop owner did come forward to the fbi in the days before the shooting, saying something showed up at the store trying to purchase ammunition and body armor. the fbi said they when responded and spoke to the gunshop owner, but could not provide license plate information, or suspect description. looking back today, the individuals who own the store saying that the person that showed up at the counter that day was likely the man that was behind so much pain here at the pupils nightclub. >> if only, if only something had been flagged beforehand effectively. thank you for that. while president obama's antiterror strategy coming up attack from donald trump and senator john mccain, while the gun control battle rages on capitol hill. ran newm m >> a deal to prevents suspected terrorists from buying guns, but they have collapsed. some moderate senators from both parties are discussing a way forward, but still, a very unlikely to get anything enacted this year, even after democratic senator chris murphy of connecticut led a nearly 15 hour filibuster this week to demand action on gun control. nothing has really changed on capitol hill. other than intensifying tensions on this very, very controversial issue. >> it's almost like they gave up on isis. >> donald trump, taking on president obama. joining fellow republicans in framing the orlando shooting as an issue of terrorism, rather than guns. >> to a large extent, he is blaming guns. and i'm going to save your second amendment, folks. >> reporter: top republican john mccain, striking a similar tone. laying blame for the massacre squarely at the president's feet. >> barack obama is directly responsible for it. when he pulled everybody out of iraq, al qaeda went to syria, became isis, and isis is what it is today. thanks to barack obama's failures. >> reporter: the 2008 republican nominee clarifying within minutes that he misspoke, saying in a statement, i did not mean to imply that the president was personally responsible. i was referring to president obama's national security decisions, not the president himself. democrats quick to pounce. senate minority leader, harry reid spokesman telling cnn, senator mccain's unhinged comments are just the latest proof that senate republicans are puppets of donald trump. this blame game happening, as the gun debate continues to rage on capitol hill. >> is going after the second amendment how you stop terrorism, no. >> the republican also have to explain to the american people why they are just plain handmaidens of the national rifle association. >> reporter: both sides of the aisle competing legislation, suspected terrorists from acquiring guns. with democrats calling for an outright ban of sales to those in a terror watch list. something republicans say could unfairly target innocent americans. republicans proposing to delay gun sales for three-days to allow the fbi to investigate. an idea many democrats call meaningless. >> it is a fake. it is a way for them to say they're doing something when they're doing nothing. >> reporter: now, john mccain, who we mentioned earlier is in a very difficult reelection battle. last month, he told me this could be one of the toughest of his political career. not only does he have to contend with concerns from latino voters, but also from the right wing of his party over the issue over immigration. so what mccain is selling aggressively are his foreign policy and national security credentials, which is why he took the sharp jap at obama yesterday. mccain's fate, part of a group of vulnerable senators, who will determine the fate of the senate majority. and expect the gun issue to become a major issue. >> absolutely. manu, thank you for all of that reports. let's talk with michael smerconish. what can we expect this coming week in congress? are you as pessimistic that despite all of this human cry about something has to happen with gun violence, that nothing will happen? >> i am pessimistic. the reason i am pessimistic is i'm mindful of the fact that if you go back to 1992, 102 congressional districts were competitive, defined as the presidential race would be decided within 5 percentage points. today, that number is 35. 35 of the 435 congressional districts will be in play, and all the rest are predetermined. we could sit here right now with a marco and color in the map. what does that meern. it means that no matter what the clamoring might be for change on the gun front, when these legislators go home, they are representing the like minded, largely because of gerrymandering. >> how about paul ryan signaling, it doesn't give a lot of more moderate voices in his party. i want to ask you about mccain, who really issues an unfortunate statement that he tried to walk back biry saying the president s directly responsible for orlando, by his policies not being aggressive in syria. what struck me about it is not just an unfortunate comment, but also not a fuller context for -- plenty of blame to go around with the iraq car and not just about obama but the bush administration as well. >> when i heard him oorks im a he appalled by it. i thought it was an appalling comment to say. you know, the walk back really wasn't much of a walk back. i was talking about his policy, not his personally. he was laying blame on the president of the united states for the death of 49 civilians in that orlando club. i thought two things, david. number one, it puts him in a category with donald trump. the very person who said i don't respect john mccain. i respect those who don't get captured. secondly, i said to myself, how many would have died had we done what john mccain was advocating, which was to remain full force in iraq. what would that body count be today. i guess a third point would be this is what drives isis. the idea that we are activists in what they regard as the so he called arabian peninsula. i thought it was wrong, wrong and wrong. >> you talk to the american people everyday on your radio show. with gun violence, have we just all sort of surrendered, congress will do nothing, we expect them to do nothing, and this is the new normal. >> the fatiguing moment came post newtown, the death of 20 school children, to f nothing could be done then, i don't hold out hope that nothing could be done. you would see that every phone line is ee lu-- illuminated, an it is split down the middle. >> i think frankly the truth probably lies somewhere in the middle, particular with regard to what just took place. >> can we look at a couple of other political imagines. co consoler in chief, george w. bush did it after 9/11, laying now flowers and those lost in orlando, privately, hugging them tightly, listening to them. the other imagine i wanted to mention, here is marco rubio, former senator with president obama. >> former presidential candidate. >> he could have been, right, the nominee we would have been kind of in a different place. just trike striking to see that political imagine here. >> this is going to sound awkward, but he is awfully good at it. it is a shame to say that about the president. he has had too much practice is what i really want to say. he strikes the appropriate tone when he gets behind closed doors. he doesn't need to do that. we've come to expect it. he doesn't need to be there. but he is there. i don't like it when people say he is politicizing it by being a grieving individual. >> i don't understand the whole politicizing argument. aren't we allowed to talk about it? when something affects the nation and breaks our hearts, aren't we allowed to talk about it? >> i've been talking about it all weekend. i'm not finished. >> anybody who goes through loss, to try to elevate the loss of a loved one. after something this horrific, to try to elevate it in some way. when you have an opportunity to be with the president of the united states. what about marco rubio what, do you make of the imagine of him and the president together in florida. does it get your mind thinking about what could have been? >> it gets my mind thinking what's to come. i am out of here. whenever he was held accountable on the campaign trail for all those missed votes, he said i'm running for president, i'm not staying in the senate. it looks like there is a change in the works. it looks like he'll stand for reelection. >> back to congress for a second. their approval ratings are abysmal. gerrymandering, everyone is in their own echo chamber and voting how they think their own little slice of constituents feel. why does everyone think they hate congress. this is the do nothing congress. >> we all hate congress, but our member of congress, hey, she's not so bad, he's not so bad. i lost track of what the reelection is, everyone else's member is who we don't like. >> i was on capitol hill yesterday and i was talking to some folks up there. one of the things, serious minded who do want to make the institution work well, but what controls the political debate is the fringes of both parties, they're cable news, and it makes it hard to find a more moderate reasonable middle that doesn't want to legislate. >> this is my point, david. we have seeded, those who are not on the polar fringes, have unfortunately seeded the debate to the loudest voices. they say something , they becom a superstar. it used to be you got to capitol hill, you paid your dues, and you got 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after that happened, there was a delivery from a gentleman, joe copan in new orleans, and he actually delivered 49 wreaths with all the survivors, and they had their pictures. we placed them around city hall and it was very, very meaningful. and then rodalfo was at the memorial last night, where the president placed the flowers, and he and their friends all came in, and they knew everybody that was affected, that had been killed. and they said okay, these two were friends, these two were a couple, and we placed the wreaths where everybody was together. it was just, you know, very meaningful. the family was very touched and thankful. >> we have pictures of that, and it does look beautiful and powerful. commissioner, i know that you had told us that the community is angry, understandably, and that they want answers. what are those answers? have you been able to now, days later, get any of those? >> yeah, you know, i mean, i think that the one thing i really feel a shift, and i truly mean this because i've been an lgbt activist for many years, i've dealt with a lot of people whose hearts and minds that was not in favor of my community, but what i've seen is a shift in the faith community. they have been very upset about some of the protests that have been talked about happening here. they said this is not reflective of our religion, and they've reached out to the christian ministers, they've reached out to the muslim community, and they've all been together. that's the first time i've ever seen that. we've had interfaith groups, but i hate to say it, it has been a lefty churches. but now i'm talking about the baptist church folks locally talking to our muslim community. which i think is great. i mean, they're saying this is about love, and we need to embrace our lgbt community, and i've never heard that before. so i really do feel there is a change and shift because of this tragedy. >> that's a nice silver lining, commissioner. we heard there might be these sick protests from that odious fringe group -- >> i'm not going to mention their name. >> i'm not either. >> i find them so disgusting. i've been dealing with them as a gay rights activist, i've been very involved with our local pride parades, as an activist into my role as a city commissioner, and i have had to deal with these people. and the thing is, we've dealt with them in creative ways, we've put dancing boys in front of them in a line, and we've done the human chain. >> yeah. >> at funerals. and we're gijust hoping we won' have to do that. they've promised they won't do that, but i have to tell you, there were 25,000 people on a facebook to do human chains at funerals, which is basically, they have a first amendment right to protest and they say horrible things. i mean, the vial thinle thing t, it is like a business plan. they try to get people upset, and they hit them, you know, and then they sue them. this is not -- this is the whole business plan that they have. >> oh, my gosh. >> but we -- this is -- i say this is not actually a religious anything. they're using a church to use a business plan to sue government that don't allow them to spread their filth. >> we've seen lots of ex streamists who bastardize and we pray that does not happen during the funerals down there, but it is very heartening and inspiring to hear that the muslim world and the christian world an the baptist world are all coming together and you all have an action plan if that were to happen. and commissioner, one last thing. what is the action plan beyond the funerals? what will the gay community there, and entire community do now? well, i'm really like, like i say, i'm very encouraged about this interfaith group that really brings in faith leaders any would say more conservative parts of my community. i'm very encouraged by that. we've got benefits happening all over the city to raise money for the victims. we've got people coming from all over to assist the families. i think once that initial dealing with the funerals, getting people visas to come from other countries, getting the bodies delivered, i mean, there is just a lot going on right now. people are, you know, we've got a lot of -- a lot of bodies going to puerto rico and other countries. we've got people coming in to make sure they can attend their grandchildren's funerals, and making sure they can get the paperwork through that. once we get through the crisis situation, i'm really encouraged, that even politicians, even politicians who have never been supportive of my community, are going to services with lgbt community members. never seen that before. and a lot of people are cynical and saying is this going to last. and i think it will. i've seen hearts change. i'm just as cynical as a lot of people. i've been a gay rights activist for a long time. i see a change. >> commissioner, we appreciate your words, your optimism, and our hearts are with you today. thank you for sharing all of that with "new day." 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california judge, who was under fire for giving that convicted rapist, you will remember, a six month jail sentence, a former stanford swimmer who raped an unconscious woman. joining us now, senior legal analyst, jeffrey toobin, and the friend of the stanford rape victim, michelle landis. jeffrey, let's start by updating the viewers, who may have lost track of what happened in this case. what has transpired since this shocking sentence was given out. let me show people on screen here, some jurors -- sexual assault case, a petition, as you know, to remove persky, it has more than one million supporters, and plans for a recall campaign against percent ski getting him off the bench. >> what is so unusual is you have the prosecution moving to recuse a judge in a case, because of bias. in my experience, i mean, i'm not saying it has never happened before, but i've never heard of it, where the prosecution, which remember, has to appear regularly in front of a judge, who has a criminal docket, says the judge is too bias to hear a case. it is just an indication of how -- what an extraordinary a situation this is. >> why, despite michelle, your deep concerns about the outcome of this case, why do you think this kind of action should be taken against the judge? what did he do wrong in his role? >> we feel strongly that the judge mis applied the law in a serious way when he concluded this was an unusual case. and that the interest of justice required probation. one of the offenses for which turner was convicted is presumptively ineligible for probation. the judge really bent over backwards in order to award probation. when did he that, he undermined confidence in the whole legal system. >> this is within the judge's discretion, is it not? you may be opposed to the outcome, but is it not a worrisome step to start taking on the role of the judge in this way? >> well, no. it's not a worrisome step. in california, under the california constitution, the judges are elected. so mr. per ski syy is an electe judge. it is not entirely the case as you're saying that this was judge discretionary. two of the felonies do have a discretionary ground of probation. the third one does not. there we think he misapplied the law. >> usually when a judge misapplies the law, that party can appeal. but the government can't appeal criminal sentences. so there is not the usual remedy here. my only concern about this situation is, look, i am as horrified by this sentence as anyone, but judges do unpopular things. sometimes we want them to do unpopular things. they are supposed to be somewhat insulated from politics. you're right, there is an election process, but you know, in communities, let's say that don't like same sex marriage, where you have judges saying we want, you know, the law requires same sex marriage, i'm just a little concerned about what happens when, you know, judges become sort of like politicians, who can be recalled. are you concerned about that? >> it seems to me, jeff, yourmeyour argument is with the california constitution rather than with me. there are people who think judges shouldn't be elected. judge persky is an elected official. the prosecution agrees with us he has evidenced by as. the prosecution gave an amazing statement, they don't trust him to be fair thechlt don't trust him to be impartial. >> if future jurors don't trust him, then can he continue to serve on the bench? >> that's the question. that's a hard thing. you know, i ish know, much as i admire the work we do as journalists, our attention fades, and our attention will fade from this case, and i think jurors who don't follow the news carefully probably will not have a problem with judge persky if he stays on the bench. it does seem very much an open question, whether your efforts will succeed, because he may yet get thrown out. >> he may resign. we have several members of the u.s. house of representatives, many members of the california assembly calling for his resignation. jurors who won't serve in his courtroom. a million people signing petitions and a recall effort underway. it may be the case he may resign. >> michelle, you know the victim in this case very well. she has had a tremendous impact on the wider debate about sexual assault in this country. how is she doing? how is she responding to the attention she has gotten? >> fortunately she is anonymous. >> her statement, and the issues. >> well, she is angry that mr. turner has not yet apologized or taken responsibility, which is another reason that we think judge persky has misapplied the law. she is disappointed the judge didn't recognize that and he didn't show any remorse. she is happy that her words are having such an impact around the world. >> jeffrey, thank you very much for the updates. coming up, the hunt is on for a man murdering his wife. john walsh joins us next for the season premiere of his show. they work fast and don't taste chalky. mmmm. incredible. looks tasty. you 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>> tammy marie meyers. >> host "the hunt" joins us now. hi, john. >> how are you? >> i'm well. great to see you. william greer, what do we need to know about this guy? >> real dirt bag, domestic abuser, and wanted for murdering his wife. >> not wear pants, pulled off, how does he walk away from this? >> i guess they didn't feel they had enough evidence, because they didn't have a body, so they cut him loose, then later on, his own children, who were visiting him at the time, two little boys who were terrified by what went on. he was divorced, and he got visitation of his sons, and ten days later, his two little boys told their mother that daddy killed his new wife, while we were there one night. we could hear the gun go off. we could hear the shots. now the cops started to take it seriously. >> oh, my gosh. so the kids were witnesses, and still, then the guy was gone at that point? >> he was gone at that point. and then i did him on "america's most wanted" i think four time, and i don't know if your fans know that used to work for me, you were one of my best field reporters. >> thank you, i loved working at "america's most wanted." i talk about it all the time. >> you were terrific. but any way, every time we profiled greer, we were 15 minutes behind him. >> oh, my gosh. >> he had this famous hat that he always wore. so we got the hat. he left the hat. left some fake i.d. in an apartment one time. three different women that he had moved in with had called right after he took off and said my god, we are so lucky, we think that this is the guy and it was the guy. so now, he is going to be the top of the show, because i, you know me, i never give up. i'm going to catch this guy. >> absolutely you're going to catch this guy. we saw it all the time. it doesn't matter how long they're gone, you can camp them. we always talked about what police work is like, god's work, what they do and the sacrifices the cops made. but in this case, it does seem like the cops dropped the ball? >> i think that they didn't buy the story. there wasn't enough evidence at the time. i wish they had taken him seriously, because he would be in jail right now. he is out there. my fear is that a guy like that, you know, leopards never change their spots. he had a long history of domestic abuse. he crossed the line and killed his wife. who knows what he is capable of doing. we need to catch him before he hurts somebody else. >> you're going to get him, john. it works all the time. >> great to see you. >> make sure to watch the premiere of "the hunt." right here on cnn, 9:00 p.m. eastern. a story you do not want to miss. a survivor of the massacre and the police officer who went beyond the call of diuty to sav him. ♪ ♪ in the days after the orlando terror attack, one of the survivors was reunited with the police officer who saved his life. anderson cooper tells us how one of orlando's finest went beyond the call of duty. >> i need a big hug from you. >> it was an emotional reunion for angel colon and officer delgado. >> the first time they've seen each other, what we now now the worst mass shooting on u.s. soil. >> just all the chaos when i arrived, the people running, screaming, crying, yelling. >> officer delgado entered the club along with other officers shortly after he arrived on scene. inside, the gunman was held up elsewhere in the club. >> oh, my god. >> sun shots were ringing out and officer delgado's instinct to protect kicked in. >> seconds later, we hear more gunshots. >> you could hear them from outside. >> from outside, yes. we know what happened, but we -- i followed them, it was three of us. we just jetted right inside. >> officer delgado was able to help remove some of the wounded amid the darkness and disco lights. >> somebody yelled out this person is moving. another person, i saw was moving, so i went and another officer grabbed him. i just don't recall if that was angel or not. we pulled like, you know, three or four people out. >> when he was dragging me out, i could look up, please hurry, please hurry. >> a gunman shot the woman next to angel in the hand and hip. he pretended to be dead. >> when i first saw him, i was laying down on the floor, i could only move my arms and my head up, so i just saw him with his glasses, help me, please. >> a nine year veteran of the police department, dmnothing cod have prepared him what he saw that night. knowing he saved some lives, brings some comfort. >> what was it like to see him today. >> a feeling that you can't describe. you can't put it in words, knowing you helped save someone. >> anderson cooper, cnn, orlando. oh, my gosh. the bravery that went there that night, the police and of the survivors. it has been an intense week. >> yeah, being down there had to be so powerful seeing it first hand. >> we heard today on the show they just believe love is the answer. reach out to people, anyone in pain, you know. we don't react in anger. reach out and love people. they think that's the answer. the idea that so soon after a tragedy that that's what the people of orlando feel, i think it means the rest of us should feel way. >> as much hate as there is, as much despair, there is the sense of perseverance and resiliency. that's what is so sustaining. when we think of the victims and how much has been lost, we think about that, about kindness, about love. about what they stood for. >> we try. it's been great to have you here today. it has been an intense day. >> great to be here. thank you. that does it for "new day." "newsroom" starts right now. good morning, i'm pamela brown. just a few blocks from the pulse nightclub. >> and i'm fredricka whitfield at the orlando regional medical center, where 23 victims are still recovering inside. >> here in the city wrapped with pain and reeling from so much tragedy this past week, another heart
carroll at the event in austin, texas, tonight. obviously, a border state and donald trump backing away from some of his immigration policies and do we expect him to hit on that tonight? >> we do. look, it's very clear that going forward and what we've seen in the past or has been a change in some ways in terms of what donald trump has put out in terms of the immigration policy and initially he would deport some 11 million illegal immigrants living here in the country and changing to say he would just get rid of the bad ones and altering it again and saying that he would follow along with much of what the president has already been doing and earlier this afternoon at a taping on another network when asked the question about what about those illegal immigrants who are here and contributing to society and not committing any crimes, donald trump said the following. certainly, there can be a, quote, softening because we're not looking to hurt people, but when i spoke to some people here in this crowd, anderson, about the softening position, two men i spoke to said, look, this has been the cornerstone of this campaign and if he's softening his position on this issue he's going to lose our vote and then i spoke to another woman who said what's happening here is that donald trump is learning more about the country and learning more about the laws that are in place and if he softens his issue on this particular point, not going to lose her vote, but it is very clear there are questions about how this is going to go over with his base. anderson? >> we've also heard donald trump continue to reach out to african-american voters in these rallies. are we expecting that as well tonight? >> we are, as you know, we've heard him reach out to african-americans before in previous speeches and last week again, this week and rnc chairman, reince priebus has said earlier today expect there to be some sort of reference to saw with that was a response from some in the african-american community and latino community that he's not acknowledging those african-americans and latinos who don't live in communities like this who aren't worried about getting shot and they're worried about discrimination and getting a job. the question isn't if he will reach out. the question is how he chooses to do that, anderson? >> jason carroll. thanks so much and we will be hearing from donald trump shortly and unclear whether he will mention the new reporting on how many clinton foundation donors met with her while he was secretary of state and he's reacted by e-mail to that associated press item. bottom line, it is at first glance, bruising more than half of the private individuals she had meetings with were clinton foundation donors and on that story, jeff zeleny joins us with details. jeff? >> donald trump and his running mate, mike pence are reacting swiftly to this report. they've already been calling for the clinton foundation to be shut down and they're escalating these calls and using it as another way by firing up their supporters. by suggesting that the clintons are, in their words, corrupt. in a nutshell this peer report says this. more than half of the people who met with hillary clinton as secretary of state, contributed to the clinton foundation and this is evidence of pay for play. we have no evidence of that in our reporting, but there is no question it creates at least the appearance of conflicts and for the clinton campaign that's one more headache in this ongoing controversy. >> and i -- the clinton campaign has reacted. what did they say? >> they have, anderson. it was a short time ago and they released a scathing response to this report. they say the story is flawed and the meetings examined by the a.p. were cherry picked. campaign spokesman went on to say this in a statement. let's take a look. he said the data does not account for more than half of her tenure as secretary and it omits more than 1700 meetings she took with world leaders let alone, countless others she took with u.s. government officials while serving as secretary of state. just taking the subset of the meetings arbitrarily he goes on to say selected by the a.p. and it is outrageous to misrepresent secretary clinton's basis for meeting with these individuals and tonight, anderson, a state department spokesman telling cnn that donors for the clinton foundation do request meetings all of the time and there's nothing unusual or improper about that. the bottom line is this, is that appearance of influence, a fine line being crossed and the clinton campaign has to fight back. the foundation obviously where there is a problem here changed their policy and it was just yesterday former president bill clinton said he would step down and stop fund-raising if she was elected and that is designed to quell the controversy and that, of course, did not happen. big story today. i want to get reaction to that and the changes that seem to be coming from the trump side on immigration and just how the campaign is going and joining us now is kellyanne conway. thanks so much. >> this a.p. story and you heard the clinton campaign saying essentially, the data is flawed. they, in their release which jeff did mention, they cite two people and the wife of bill gates who heads his foundation and meet web nobel prize-winning economists and nothing is wrong with that and there are other people she met with, civilians she met who clearly wanted some sort of influence or wanted help with a visa problem or something like that. how bad do you think is this? >> well, it's not great and it's not great. i think the clinton campaign is actually having one of their worst weeks ever in the campaign and it's only tuesday and the reason i say this is very simple. everything that you're discussing and everything that is unfolding as we sit here, the details, plays into what people don't like about career politicians and the corrupt system and it's reflective in everybody's polls and even cnn's polls and even after hillary clinton's democratic convention, anderson, 64% of americans in the cnn poll they don't find her to be honest and trustworthy. i think we take that too much for granted. it's been so high for so long, yes, but, and they pivot to donald trump. let's focus on that number. >> he does have high negative. >> for a very different reason. >> and that is an argument i'm willing to wage because hers is more fundamental a character flaw and when you have reports like that from the venerable a.p. and her campaign, i thought for all of the smart people i thought it was a pretty weak statement tonight and they maybe should have waited and thought it through, because they're always blaming someone else and explaining something and they just came off of secretary powell saying that's not true. i had that dinner with her -- >> i had that dinner a year after she set-up the private e-mail server. >> and condoleezza rice said she had no memory of that. >> there always seems to be a new chapter in it. i don't think it helps. once in awhile, just like i did as a new campaign and i came on places like this and saying we're behind. the polls are not good for us right now. we're the underdogs and we're lighting a fire under ourselves. once in a while the clinton people would do themselves good and today is not a good day for the home team. >> donald trump has said this is pay to play, and that's what a lot of republicans are saying. donald trump has said he's paid $100,000 and was he given that money? pay to play. the clinton foundation does a lot of good work. i want to say that, for the record, they do. the question is why these meetings at the state department? was your candidate donating that money so that he could have access to hillary clinton whenever he wanted? >> it seemed like he had access with him whenever he wanted and they went to his wedding and he gave money. sure, because they do good work and let's hope that money went >> so he wasn't paying to play? >> no. he wasn't paying to play. >> here is the real important issue here because people may say it is so convoluted and i don't think it affects me and my family. it does and here is why. on capitol hill, you have republican and democratic senators and congressmen. when they want to raise money they leave their congressional offices and they walk across the street to their party committees because it's against the law and also is improper to make those fund-raising phone calls from your official office that we're all paying for. they're doing the people's business and they walk across and they do that. she's entertaining people to give money to a foundation, $156 million worth of donations. >> and they've already given money or want some sort of access and donald trump on whether he has paid to play. he said i have friends in a lot of places and i gave money to a lot of people and i know the system better than anybody else and it's a corrupt system. the intimation is he knew how things worked and he was taking part of it just like all the others. >> he has never told me he was going to the state department to have a meeting with hillary clinton, but apart from that, i think the other point here is as i was walking over here tonight anderson, i noticed another report, 75 entry his been erased from the state department visitor's log and we'll have to see how that holds up. that plays into what are you covering up? why would those be erased and in other words, i think every day, they're explaining this away. >> not a good day for them, certainly. >> i think we'll look back and say she had the opportunity to really put this away and missed her opportunity. she went into hiding. no press conference in 262 days. >> you had a good week last week. it's no coincidence it's when you come onboard and donald trump was very focused last week and he gave focused speeches night after night after night hitting similar themes and issues which i want to talk about, as well and one more thing on this a.p. story and james carville was on the show last night said the clinton foundation shuts down like donald trump says it should. mike pence says it should. people are going die and 9 million people get access to low-cost hiv drugs or drugs they couldn't get otherwise and people's lives have been saved and are you worried about that that just perhaps the appearance of impropriety, people will die. >> i would ask bill clinton what he thinks of that particular line of argument and they'll start accepting foreign donations which would shrink their capital on the good works that they do. are people going to be less helped because she's president following along that reasoning? i would also offer my agreement with james carville's remarks on a different network this morning where he said either people will go to hell or heads will roll if this is true. there are a lot of honest democrats who seem really outraged about this chain of events because they also feel that this was bernie sanders' entire point, and he wasn't a lone wolf. what did he do? he got 22 state victories over her, millions of voters who really can't abide what they see as the rigged corrupt system and the insider's game and don't be surprised if you see those of us in the trump campaign borrowing awful lot of bernie sanders points towards hillary clinton in the primary because they're resonant on our behalf, as well. sorry. i also wanted to make the point that when it comes to hillary clinton i don't understand why she can't just give speeches or issue press releases or statements to the press what is her position on obamacare? what is her position on immigration? what would she do to rebuild the economy? >> she's certainly been very clear on issues on obamacare. she's certainly behind it and wants to extend part of it. >> i sure hope so because it's widely unpopular, but the point is this, watch when you have people on your show or cnn anywhere, anderson, it takes a clinton supporter about five seconds maximum to mention donald trump. if you were to ask them, what will -- >> they're clearly trying to make this a referendum to donald trump. >> that's unfair to the voters. i think this election has to be a contest on issues. let's lay them out. >> although in all fairness, donald trump has spent a lot of time, crooked hillary clinton coming up with nicknames and names for all the -- >> and giving the speeches that you just mentioned last week. four speeches -- >> >> that's a relatively new development. >> and immigration and it will be a continuing development because i think the voters deserve and expect a conversation on the issues. >> we're going to continue our conversation, particularly i want to talk to you about immigration and other things and the question about whether donald trump is changing his stance on immigration and we'll continue that conversation and we'll hear from the panel and shortly from donald trump from austin, texas. behold the power of protein in birds eye protein blends. ok. they're delicious side dishes with the protein of beans, whole grains.. ...and veggies! mmm good. my work here is dooooone! bird's eye protein blends. so veggie good. i thodid the ancestrydna toian. find out i'm only 16% italian. so i went onto ancestry, soon learned that one of our ancestors was eastern european. this is my ancestor who i didn't know about. we catch flo, the progressive girl," at the supermarket buying cheese. scandal alert! flo likes dairy?! woman: busted! 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[ laughter ] welcome back. we'll hear from donald trump in austin, texas tonight and we're talking to trump campaign manager kellyanne conway. let's talk about the immigration plan. first i want to remind viewers of what donald trump has said during the primary season. >> we have a law, right? you're supposed to come in legally. i would get people out and i would have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal. if they're illegal immigrants they've got to go out. >> how would you do it in a practical way. >> you really think you can round up 11 million people. >> at some point we'll get back the good ones. >> you will have a deportation force and you'll do it humanely. >> will you be sending in officers, into people's homes to get them out? >> we're going to be giving notice. we'll be saying you have to go. >> we have at least 11 million people in this country that came in illegally. they will go out. they will come back, some will come back. the best through a process. they have to come back legally. >> so now tonight i understand on hannity he has talked about a possible softening of the law, and i have the direct quote and he was asked is there any part of the law that you might change that can accommodate people in society, if they're law-abiding and there certainly could be a softening and we have some great people in this country and we'll follow the laws of this country. 11 million people is he no longer saying they all got to leave although the good ones can come back. >> think what he said we don't want to hurt people is very consonant with what he said all along which is we want to find a humane and effective way and frankly, that's just how we should all feel about each other generally speaking. >> that's not what we heard and those quotes were from 2015 all of the way to the summer to november that we just played tonight. 11 million people and he said they've all got to leave. is he no longer saying that? >> so what he's saying is that we need to find the mechanism that works and that is fair and is legal and in his words humane, he doesn't hurt people. >> he's no longer saying all 11 million have to leave. >> there are a couple of principles to his immigration plan and know number one is enforce the laws and imagine if we did enforce the laws. public opinion says that people would rather enforce the laws on the books and with respect to immigration pile on new laws and we need to enforce the laws that exist currently, you do find that some of it takes care of itself. by the way, president obama has enforced the laws and he has deported, i think it's 2.5 million people is what i read? i hope it's within that margin, but it's a significant number and he's been criticized by people on the left for it, frankly. number two, mr. trump wants to find a fair and humane way and effective way to address the fact that roughly 11 million illegal immigrants live among us. number three and this is something that's very different from hillary clinton. president obama -- excuse me, a president trump would -- he wants to be fair to everyone. so often the conversation is only about what's fair to the 11 million immigrants. how about what's fair to the american worker who is competing for that job? how about what's fair to a business that says i -- i went ahead and got on e-verify and i want to wash my hands clean? what's fair to the rest of us? so in principle, it's exactly the same and it's how to execute and he's been taken to counsel many people what is possible and plausible. >> you're saying it's exactly the same, but he's no longer saying 11 million people got to leave and the good ones can come back. essentially you're saying the people who have committed crimes and not the crossing of the border, but people convicted of actual crimes and they're the ones who will make the focus and 11 million people, and 11 million will be deported along donald trump. >> i am saying there could be a way to figure out how to do it and we're not here to harm people and that's a very important phrase. >> deportation force and we're not talking about donald trump talking about a deportation force. >> he has not said that for a while and senator jeff sessions. >> that's a -- senator sessions said there is not a deportation to deport 11 million people and you find a way to abide by the law and see what that provides and i want to repeat again. >> just so to that point, donald trump early on said 11 million people got to leave. the good ones can come back and you talked about a deportation force and we're not going to hear that from donald trump and he's no longer saying illegal immigrants in that country will have to leave and they'll have to move. >> i'll repeat that because he said that he wants to, and he's not flip-flopping on immigration and he wants to find and that seems like a flip-flop. >> a way to execute on his principles without hurting people. >> a flip-flop is a political criticism. it does seem like a change in policy, right? wisely or not, whatever it may be, it certainly seems like a change in policy. >> what i know, too, is i can't find an issue and i can find very few issues where he and secretary clinton were different. she's to the left of president obama in this. she has expressed support for executive orders on this which basically means as a presidential candidate she's expressing no interest whatsoever to work with the congress on such a complex issue. >> i get -- i've just got to keep asking this, though, because it is important and for those supportive of donald trump who early on loved his hard-line stance of 11 million illegals and immigrants got to leave undocumented workers and got to leave. he is no longer saying that. he has changed his position. >> i hope that he is saying that you don't just look at people and try to harm them or treat them inhumanely. that is very important and it is leadership and presidential and i hope these questions of you are asked as hillary clinton when it comes to tpp, and trade promotion and she literally has diverged from. >> she talked about the gold standard right before the debate. >> right and i also think that, and she differs from president obama and others on this so that is true, but anyway, i want people to focus on the choice here. that is what i think most important. i think this entire campaign has been so centered on personality and not principles on individuals and not ideas. and on the issue of immigration, i invite everybody to see how different they are and make their choice. >> didn't that benefit donald trump certainly early on in the primary when he stood on stage with 16 others who he called low energy. he stood out because of his personality and people liked his, what they view of telling it like it is. he gave interviews to a ton of people and i gave him credit for that from the beginning. he spoke to people he probably shouldn't have spoken to but he wasn't afraid to go into interviews you can argue whether that was wise. he has cut back. he is only giving interviews to fox these days. i gave him a lot of credit for that. the point is, though, what we heard from him during the primary season which a lot of people picked him in the primary because of his tough stance on immigration, this is an evolution of his position. >> his tough stance on immigration will not change and it will be a priority in his -- >> the wall is still. >> he says mexico will pay for it and a lot of different tenants. >> but it is changing. >> he is examining on how to execute. i think he deserves tremendous credit. so many typical politicians, anderson, don't bother figuring out the details. how will we execute and implement. it is a laundry list of -- >> i have no problem with somebody evolving. obviously something should evolve. it is weird not to actually say this is a change of policy. >> i think also to compare him to the people that he ran against, i think amnisty was the death. he will not be for that. ha is not what he is say saeg about this either. i think under hillary clinton's plan it is a complete open borders. we talked about build the water, border security, roughly 40% or so of the immigration, the illegal immigration here, people over stayed their visas. they didn't cross the border, they just stayed on a visa and never went back. a lot of people think that is unfair. if you can -- we're the most generous country. >> we're going to take a break. about not everybody is going to leave. >> looking at the mechanism, no touch back but looking at the mechanism and making sure that whatever the policy is that he implements as he has said in the past it is done humanely and fairly. we know there are people involved here. >> we have to take one more break. we'll talk about the theories about some of the ideas that have been put forward by trump surrogates about hillary clinton's health and we'll keep an eye on the stage where donald trump will be speaking any minute now. ♪ is it a force of nature? 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>> well, no, but it's out there. they've been saying it. rudy giuliani just said it, i don't know, a couple of days ago. >> i am so thrilled that mayor giuliani came out as did governor chris christie of new jersey came out and two former prosecutors coming out and ask for a special prosecutor. >> why not say there is no evidence of a health problem rather than go on the internet and look at the videos and you'll see her tripping on a stairwell into an airplane a while ago? >> i would say that i appreciate that governor and i was trying to finish my sentence and i'll get back to it and he came out with a statement that said voters deserve to get to the truth before they cast their votes and it's a poignant way of looking at to really encapsulate for people who care about the state department and the clinton foundation. >> we know more about hillary clinton's health than we know about donald trump's health. his doctor, the only thing we really know about his health is from this letter that his doctor put out at the request of the campaign. it's a letter like most many people, many observers and other doctors who we've interviewed have never heard the doctor write before. not only is the grammar wrong, there are spelling mistakes and there is a website that was defunct and he says he's a fellow of gastroenterology and he hasn't been since 1995. he says he's a be in of the g.i. division of the hospital in new york. he's actually not. i mean, is the campaign going to be putting out anything more about donald trump's health if they're raising all these questions about hillary clinton? >> i'll need to discuss that with mr. trump directly because it is a very personal matter and again, i can tell you, it's very difficult to keep up with this man on a daily basis. his energy and stamina for someone who is 70 years old and he's been in two or three that day. he loves campaigning and he loves being out with the people and i think that is important to him. that's not a contrast to her, >> but to him it's very important for him to sort of keep that pace. >> although arguably, hillary clinton has a lot of meetings with small groups of people. >> five fund raisers tonight. >> has a big rally and goes into the city, has a big rally and then leaves and it's a different style of campaigning, but i'm not sure you can say that hillary clinton doesn't campaign as hard or hasn't been campaigning as hard certainly the last couple of weeks she's been focusing on fund raisers. >> i'm not going to put a domino on either one of them. i think the style of campaignings are so different. >> we can put fitbits on both if you want. >> i could use one. >> seriously speaking, when it comes to campaigning, their styles are very different, and i think she has four or five fund raisers today. she's hanging out with celebrities and. >> and he's with the parents of the children who were killed with families killed by illegal immigran immigrants. she has had 300 fundraisers not open to the press. 226 days with no press conference. i think this is all relevant to what do the voters deserve? in other words, the way you're running your campaign, how it intersects with what voters deserve and expect. i like our odds better than hers. >> as i said, i'll give credit for donald trump early on. is he going to start doing that again? because he's only been giving interviews to fox news and i'm not saying this about personal interest, and not cnn or anyone else and he hasn't done any other interview other than george stephanopoulos, other than about the khans which didn't go so well. >> i know i'm chopped liver compared to the candidate. >> we've done 40 minutes with you. we're very happy to have you here. >> for everyone on twitter that will attack you for putting me on the platform, you at least appreciate democracy and free thinking and there are two candidates in this race and we very much appreciate the platform, and i will pass that on to the boss that we had a great experience here. tough questions and fair questions, and the platform, but i look on. >> i'm not booking an interview and i think you'll have to travel around the country and follow him because we're doing the advanced schedule now and it is grueling and all he wants to do is add to it. he called me several times today. i want to go there. he can't get enough of being with the people. >> it does seem since you've come on i've noticed a big change and last week which was the best week they've had and they've had in a long, long time and it very much sounds like donald trump and donald trump and a.p.e.c. to the first time he's used a teleprompter, but other folks wrote it and it didn't sound like -- it was like donald trump trying to be somebody else. his speeches sound like donald trump, you can agree with it or not, but it is more controlled. am i wrong? 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you haven't even heard my catchphrase. i'm all done with this guy. box him up. that's terrible. we're waiting to hear from donald trump. he'll be speaking at a rally in austin, texas and before the break you saw the conversation with kellyanne conway and whether he's making a break from what he campaigned on in the primary. >> to that point, donald trump earlier on said that 11 million people have to leave and we're not going to hear that anymore from donald trump and he is no longer saying 11 million undocumented immigrants in this country all have to leave. they're going to be removed and we'll look at what he said tonight with respect to that because he said he's not flip-flopping on immigration and he wants to find -- >> that seems like a flip-flop and the way to execute on his principles, anderson, without hurting people. >> a flip-flop is a political criticism. it does look like a change in policy, right? it's wisely or not, whatever it may be, it certainly seems like a change in policy. >> what i know, too, is i can't find an issue where he and secretary clinton are very different and she has expressed support for executive orders on this which basically means as a presidential candidate she's expressing no interest whatsoever to work with the congress on such a complex issue. >> i get -- i just have to keep asking this, though because it is important and for those supportive of donald trump who early on loved his hard-line stance of 11 million illegal immigrants got to leave, undocumented workers got to leave. he is no longer saying that. he has changed his position. >> i hope they're saying what he says, anderson which is you don't just look at people and try to harm them or treat them inhumanely. >> lots to discuss with the panel and christine quinn and paul begala, trump supporters patrick healy, and cnn legal analyst paul kelen. jeff, it does sound like he's changed his position, no? >> he's no longer saying 11 undocumented workers have to leave and the good ones can come back. >> as i was listening to your conversation with kellyanne it reminds me of ronald reagan was we win, they lose. he was criticized a lot for not meeting with soviet leaders and he cracked at one point they keep dieing on me and he didn't and there was a method to this. eventually, he did. was there a change in that sense? yes. was there a change in the ultimate policy saying in this case with donald trump that every country has borders? no. i don't see that at all. how you get there is probably going to change. >> if somebody once said 11 million people, got to leave and the good ones can come back, whatever that means. he is not saying 11 million people have to leave and the criminals and those convicted of crimes have to leave. >> those convicted of crimes and every one of those 11 million >> but his essential policy of having borders on this country. >> you're not going to answer this question. andre, does it sound like a change of policy to you? >> it does sound like a softening in policy which i don't have a problem with, you know, clearly, all of us evolve through life, the more information we get and -- >> i'm just wondering how the other folks and the other republicans who were on those debate stages with him and you can't deport 11 million people are now thinking -- >> they will be endorsing them tomorrow. >> i'm not sure john kasich will endorse him. >> this is absolutely a flip flop and change in policy. donald trump for the last year plus has rocketed to the top based off of his tough stance on immigrati immigration, starting with the mexican rapist comments when he first announced. other people like marco rubio, john casish, jeb bush who were excoriated for supporting immigration reform. they were run out of town because of the position that donald trump is now taking today. he is saying that the criminals should be the priority, that he is saying that there should be an increase in border security, increase in border patrol, internal enforcement. all of those things are the same things of the guys i just mentioned. >> it is also about tone and language. in the primaries with interviews with me and others. he would say they got to go, folks, these people got to go. it was very tough language. he feels like he won the primary in part because he was willing to say in very bliunt, emotiona language what resonated. tonight, 180 degrees different from what kellyanne told you saying it has to be fair and humane. >> he never said that before. >> he even used the word softening. >> this is a new trump for the next 11 weeks. this is a clear, game plan that they have that kellyanne conway has -- >> is this about reaching out to independents and oddodds? >> this is donald trump being remarkably consistent. he is a con man. always will be. . the trump hotel that is being refur bishoped, the old post office, washington post committed journalists. they found this has always been a con for trump. he no more cares about immigration than the man in the moon. he conned the far right in the primaries and trying to con the folks in the general. i don't think it's going to work. that's why he's trailing. the only thing he's been authentic about is being an insult comic from the beginning to end of this. this has all been a con for him. >> he demagogued to zen people up in the primary. in 2012, he complained mitt romney was quote, too mean spirited in his immigration policy and commended democrats for having it right with just little variations on the policy because they were kind. >> let's get jeffrey lord's response. >> he was saying a version of this to me two years ago before he was running for president. long before he was running for president. i mean, i am hearing a version -- >> jeffrey, essentially you're saying he's still tough on immigration. i get you're saying that. but just -- honestly, if one month you say 11 million people got to leave, the good ones can come back, now you're saying you're not saying they have to leave anymore. that is a change. yes? >> yes. >> yes. >> okay. >> wait, wait, wait. it's a change but it's not a change in the end game. >> he wants to be tough on immigration. sure, fine. >> he still says build the wall, right? >> for now. yes. >> how is there not an etch a sketch element to this? the degree to which he said what he needed to do to win the primary and now he's hoping he can say what he needs to do to win in the suburbs. >> it's all about donald trump saying whatever he needs to say at whatever moment to benefit his own game. >> which by the way the trump campaign will quickly say hillary clinton -- >> we're talking about donald trump right now. >> we all do that in life, but to get back to jeffry's point this is like ronald reagan not changing how he negotiates with the communists, it's like ronald reagan joining the communists party. this is nuts. this is what he launched his campaign on. i think, very racist announcement speech calling mexican immigrants rapists and murderers, some are good people he says. this has been the heart of his campaign. now he thinks 76 days from the election he's going to change. have the facts changed? no, of course not. the politics have. that's the only plausible explanation. >> the day after the primary, if that was the case, if the end game was to appeal to new -- >> because they were up in the polls. >> exactly. >> this is the difference. two words. kellyanne conway. kellyanne knows this issue well. she was one of the ten-plus pollsters that participated in a mark zuckerberg pro survey during 2014 for immigration reform. mark zuckerberg was a big proponent of immigration reform. republicans were trying to figure out what to do. kellyanne was part of that. in a memo she co-authored she said the majority of americans agree to a pathway to citizenship of some sort and that tea party members did not see that immigration reform as amnesty and would benefit the republicans with swing voters not only in 2014 but the next election. she understands the politics behind this issue so i know kellyanne has talked to him and said you got to soften on this issue because it doesn't resonate any other way. 71% of the american people believe in a pathway to legalization. 80%-plus of republicans believed in that. she co-authored that survey. >> it's so important to note that today donald trump, you know, is saying kellyanne conway's language. >> right. >> remember, tonight a rally. >> no doubt about it. >> tomorrow a rally in tampa. >> no doubt about it. >> tomorrow night a rally in jackson, mississippi. >> yes. >> can donald trump control himself, control himself to stay on message during a 60-minute rally and not lapse into one of those clauses, one of those subclauses? >> let jeffrey respond. i don't -- >> i was just -- give you a good example here. i was with donald trump a couple weeks ago. about five miles from my home in central pennsylvania. and he never once, to go back to that khan controversy, mention the khans. not once. either in private conversation with me or on the stage. the people i talked to never mentioned the khans. i came home and turned on the television and that's all it was about. donald trump gave a speech that he was total on message throughout. >> what is the message? makes a great point about the rallies. he's finally running ads. great for him. he's running ads in a more conventional politician way. what's the ad? it's demagoguing immigration. it's not softening. look at the ad. >> kellyanne came on board. >> that's exactly right. >> that's my point. >> this is not about principle. >> he's trying to send -- kellyanne, very able person, a few months ago was on this network saying, i quote, trump built his businesses on the backs of the little guy, has a history of not paying his contractors. i hopelkellyanne, i hope he's paying her enough. >> donald trump has been plummeting in the polls. >> his way to get back. >> his political team trying to figure out what to change, how to rechange, reset to try to get him minimally stable and hopefully upticking in the polls. >> is it going to work? >> i don't think it is going to work. americas can't -- they know what he said. they know how racist he was. people are not going to forget the time -- >> a new "l.a. times" poll today, up 15 points in utah which he should be winning but as we know recently we were talking about him being in trouble there. >> even that conversation -- >> only 39% tsh. >> whether you think this is a flip-flop, a change in position, he's learned more about the issue, do you think it will help him in the general? >> i do. >> you do. >> and others who might -- >> sure. clearly he was a hardened candidate in the primary. he is softening. people like kellyanne giving him a different perspective. that's part of being a leader. you get folks in that give you insight from other -- >> we got to take another quick break. we expect donald trump speaking tonight in texas. a lot more ahead. nexium 24hfor their own#1 choice of docfrequent heartburn.s for complete protection all day and night make nexium 24hr your #1 choice. hillary clinton: i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. vo: in times of crisis america depends on steady leadership. donald trump: "knock the crap out of them, would you? 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>> reporter: first of all let me tell you, you were just mentioning senator jeff sessions. i spoke to him and asked him this question about something donald trump said earlier today where he talked about possibly softening his position on illegal immigration and let me give you the proper context.
tweets against alicia machado. he said why would i have regr s regrets, i'm a very truthful person and i'm telling the truth and people understand it now, and before the tweets people didn't understand it, talking about miss universe gaining weight and going through that, and then sort of suggesting, again without offering any evidence that she participated in a sex tape and she was not quote/unquote the girl scout that hillary clinton has made her out to be. but he also sort of took that and he made this sort of broader argument that miss clinton uses women like machado for basically her own political ends and he got into bill clinton's extramarital affairs and what he seeing is the attacks on the women over the years and was really going on about it and i challenged him on a couple points and he said about ms. clinton, quote, she's nasty, but i can be nastier that she ever can be and it felt, like, don, he was really setting coming upcoming into their debate really trying to lay the groundwork at least to try to kind of unsettle her more and bounce back from his own uneven performance. one thing i did press him on was sort of why he thinks he has sort of standing to go after the clintons on their marriage since he has had three marriages himself. he had a pretty well-known affair with marla mappels when he was married to his first wife, ivana trump, and he -- i asked him if he ever cheated on any of his wives and he said no, i never discuss it, i never discuss it, it was never a problem. and he's really kind of emphasize the that in fadefadel was never a problem in his marriage and i pressed him on the marla maples relationship, and he said i don't want to talk about it, i don't want to talk about it, and saying what bill clinton did with his indiscretions was far more worse than what he did. >> it's mind-boggling he double and quadruples down with the former miss universe. phone what the strategy is behind that. before we move into the in fadellities, let me ask you about that. what does he think he's accomplishing by doing this, and do people understand what he's doing? do they approve of this strategy? are they pushing him do it? >> right, it's a great question. what he said -- i asked him you know does he think talking about this helps him with undecided women voters, i asked him point-blank and he said i think it helps because instead of seeing this girl as a girl scout, they find out what kind of girl she is, speaking of alicia machado, and ask him like how do these pre-dawn tweets help him win the presidency. because don, it's five weeks out. everything a candidate normally is doing is about you know winning ohio and florida and north carolina. i asked him how do you these tweets at 5:00 a.m. help him win the period sresidency, and he s no, no, i do what i do. look, she made -- he said hillary clinton, she made this young lady into a girl scout and she was just the opposite of girl scout. you really get the sense again even five days in, donald trump is really still under his skin. >> yeah. so the interesting thing is, is that -- so he -- you know, his intent and what he's doing is shaming this woman on multiple levels fat-shaming her and a number of other things. when it has been said even during the -- you remember when the controversy with his wife and the nude pictures, you shouldn't shame people for what they do for a living, or for their pasts, i mean, is it -- isn't there a glass house sort of analogy here that he isn't even taking into effect -- into account? >> i mean, i think for him, don, i've seen this over and over covering him. he just sort of gets galled when he feels the clintons are trying to gain some moral high ground. his nickname for secretary clinton is crooked hillary. your point is very well taken. i just know from his point of view -- and clinton was very effective of baiting him in the debate, sort of the notion she's treating him in high-handed way about the loan by his father and it gets him going. >> i want to talk now about this strategy. he's saying you know he's eye think what you're saying is he's going to be much nast ier, i don't want to put words in your mouth, but what about his threat to confront ms. clinton with her husband's infidelity? republican strategists warned him he doesn't believe this is a smart thing to do. he seemed to int mate that's what he's going to do. >> it seems he wants to bring something to the fight in his hip pocket and he's not showing what weapon he's got. he's sort of making these veil threats about sort of throwing this in her face and i asked him, you know, is it hard -- chelsea clinton's 36. he's used chelsea clinton as this excuse that that's why he didn't raise bill clinton's infideli infidelities. >> she was there when it happened. >> i said look is it hard, do you choke in a way when you're -- like having to be up there and he just sort of stuck to the chelsea clinton argument. but what he's doing, don, i mean it's very clear the strategy isn't about winning over, you know, whites suburban women in columbus, ohio, in places where he needs the voters, where republicans usually get them. it's about trying to knock her off balance. he really feels -- some of the people around him felt like you know she did get the better of him at certain moments in the debate and it galls him so he's blaming the microphone quite a bit and i think there's sort of a hope of playing some sort of like you know siops strategy. >> patrick he'laley speaking wi donald trump saying he's not ashamed of really shaming the former miss universe over his twitter rant that happened overnight and also saying -- blaming some of his debate performance on a microphone. let's talk about that fiek monemone microphone. the commission said there was a problem with his microphone, but not on television, and not anything that should have thrown him during the debate. how is he responding to that? >> the commission is saying there was an issue with the audio in the hall and trump is talking about the mic. i'm not a technical genius, but it sounds like the commission is talking about the way his voice was broadcast, and trump kept saying someone -- someone was backstage moduleating the level on his mic, because melania trump was signaling from the audience there was some kind of problem with hearing him and he basically sort of felt like he's work audio he's given speeches for 35 years, he knows when mics are working when and when they're not and he sensed that it wasn't and he wanted to stop the debate but he felt like he couldn't do that because 100 million people were watching and it would be strange. there were no commercial breaks so there was no way to fix it so what he said, don, was that 50% of his thought process during the debate was focused on the mic. so when hillary clinton was making her attacks and when he was giving, you know, some answers they people have credit teak critiqued pretty negatively, he's saying 50% of my thought process was going to this mike problem. >> yeah. i had a similar thing happen at the debate in las vegas, a mic was working in the room but not on television and people in the audience said we can't hear you so immediately i knew only because they were telling me i couldn't hear it but one would think if you're in a debate and you're running as a leader of the free world and you sense your microphone isn't working as they said during the day, we need to start the over, i need more time, she's getting more time, he's getting more time, he would have said, i can't hear my microphone, is my microphone working out there. >> you're exactly right. and i don't mean to be cute about, this but debate prep -- part of what goes to debate prep is dealing with strange logistics that might come up. i don't know if it came in the clinton prep, but i know it did a few years ago, there was talk about what if the mic didn't work and do you stop the debate right then and donald trump sort of very famously insighted that he didn't need to prep the normal way, so he wasn't standing in 41 of a lectern in front of a microphone, and maybe no surprise he doesn't see it that way. >> disyou ad you and him if he'g to prepare next time traditional way? >> he didn't get into the lect under issue, but he said he didn't need to prepare better because the mic was the problem if anything went wrong in the first debate, but that he's going to be looking for ways again to bring up policy issues that anderson and martha raddatz may not and him about when they moderate the second debates to try to figure out ways to bring up the clinton family foundation, benghazi, other targets of his. you know, and then i think -- you know, he's -- he is thinking about ways to deal with sort of the clinton marriage and is there a way to do it and the problem, don, as you well know, it's a town hall meeting to be throwing really negative ugly details in your opponent's face when you're sitting on a stool in front of a group of undecided voters that it can sort of kill the mood in the room to put it nicely. >> yeah, is there anything i missed? did he talk about the debate moderator? because he blamed half of it on lester holt saying he wasn't so fair to me? did he talk to you about that? >> he didn't say anything really new about that. the one thing that he did say that i was sort of struck by was because it struck me at the end of the last debate when they were asked when lester asked the candidate they would support the other if they were elected, and trump said that he would absolutely support hillary clinton if she won in november. this time, i said do you stand by that and he said -- he said i support our country. we're going to have to see what happens. we're going to have to see. so, again, you know, sort of this indication -- >> what does that mean? >> i think it's a mind game. i think in a way -- >> is he setting up to say if she does win, she's not a legitimate president? >> i think what he's saying here is that -- what i said before, is the debate process is rigged, the whole process is rigged that seems to be where he's going with this. >> he's been down that path before and i don't think it's unfair to and that question. i pressed him on it and he said we're going to have to see. we're going to see what happens. it's not birtherism, but there is a sense as we know, he set up the notion of the rigged system, you know, very strong way, so i don't know if he'll come back to it. >> patrick healey, thank you for joining us here. patrick healey from the "new york times" with brand-new reporting giving us perspective on how donald trump feels about his debate performance and why he went on that twitter tyrait forwarding the former miss universe. we'll discuss that right after this. ion's largest independent study by rootmetrics, again, verizon is the number one network. hi, i'm jamie foxx for sprint. and i'm jamie foxx for t-mobile. 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he said no, not at all. did he consult with smomebody? he said no he wings it as a businessman and he's winging it in a political campaign and he's paying the price. >> michael, i want you to respond to this. this is a quote from fox news tonight, newt gingrich. you can't tweet at 3:00 in the morning. there's no excuse ever if you're going to be potus. this is newt gingrich who has endorsed donald trump, and is a big supporter. >> yeah, i think regardless of the back and forth between trump and machado and the merits of what they're saying, i think the thing that leaps out to everybody is what is he doing in the middle of the night engaged in a twitter storm over this. it -- i think that is the most striking thing, and probably for many people, even supporters like newt gingrich, the most troubling thing. >> did crooked hillary help discuss check out sex tape in past, alicia m., meaning machado, become a u.s. citizen so she could use her in the debate and another one says using alicia m. as a paragon, a virtue, just shows crooked hillary suffers from bad judgment. hillary was set up by a con. wow. this is number leemthree, crook hillary was duped by my worse miss u., universe, and any time you see a story about me and my campaign saying sources said, do not believe it, they are just made-up lies. so, what do these behaviors tell us about trump and what kind of president he would be? >> theicall they certainly rais about being presidential and that's why he lost the debate and hillary clinton did come across as being more presidential. i think he won the first half hour. in 2012, president obama lost to mitt romney clearly and at some point he acknowledged it. he didn't keep talking about it so i don't know why trump keeps talking about this and the one thing to remember about the first debate is alicia machado, why and who did that. >> so this is my question -- michael -- no, david, is it different because president obama then had been president for four years, had a wealth of knowledge about policy. he could stand back on that. donald trump doesn't have that same little advantage as a president obama back then. he has to start from scratch on policy, on issues. so, is it feasible that he -- i guess anything is possible, but it's not really an equal comparison is it? >> i think bob's comparison is useful, but it's only feasible, don, if he were to put his mind to it for the next week and really prepare for this debate. look, president obama and secretary clinton have been doing this for years, they've got a depth of public policy knowledge they can fall back on so in their debate prep they can spend more time on sort of style because they already know the issues. donald trump, i think, has spent a lot of his time boning up on issues that he hasn't spent his career -- you know, familiarizing himself with and again it's hard for me to see when i see those tweets that he has really come around to which realization that he's got 40 days left where every single thing he does is -- has to be in service of winning an election, right? when all of us woke up this morning and saw those tweets that came out between 3:00 a.m. and 6:00 a.m., it was basically a signal that guess what for another folks for another day 40 days left we're guaranteed to be talking about alicia markchado, instead of what else. >> and when he said fat-shaming her about whatever choices she made in her life, he needs women and i would imagine women won't look at this too kindly. i could be wrong, but my gut is no. >> no and you're right, don. it's a huge problem for him in the latest fox news poll taken after this debate, he leads white men by 40 points over hillary clinton, but he only leads white women by four points over hillary clinton. that is a massive gender gap that we haven't seen from a republican nominee in recent history and this doesn't help sdrump with that demographic at all. i think we need to stop asking why has no one changed his twitter password, or taken away his account. there's no need to be fat-shaming. >> one would think that he could keep one of these in his pocket and not use it. thank you very much mikechael, david, rebecca, i appreciate it. coming up, what will the donald trump administration look like. hey what's up, peyt? 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this is -- grow up. this is what running for president is. so, part of it is just be wildering that there's this wind of flurry. but it does make you recognize that you know, it's one thing to run a small, very successful real estate company in new york and to sell condos and put your name on buildings and you know, god bless him for that capitalism, to reward all kinds of people. it's another to run a 50-state, international -- you know, race for the presidency where every word you say, every breath you take, every sniff you make is going to be scrutinized. and you know it turns out in a very bizarre way for reality tv star, donald trump is in some ways not ready for primetime. >> so, maybe primetime television. is this presidential -- especially considering the miss universe, which every one -- no one understands why he keeps going with this strategy of saying bad things about this young lady, but then also keeping it in the news. is this presidential -- what he's doing is this presidential in any way, shape or form? >> it's not presidential, and not smart from the point of view if you are running a national political campaign, one of the key things anyone will tell you is stay on message, figure out what your message is and stay on message. he had a message for first 20 minutes of the debate. the fact that he can't stay on message like that, people talk about temperament and things like that, but on some level, it's competence. running a campaign means being smart, and focused and disciplined. he's not doing that. >> what does it say he is baited so easily, baited from the debate and then from this young woman. the ramifications of being in the oval office like that? >> i hope people are wonldderin to themselves, if you had an international crisis, how would he handle it, because it is -- it is a worrying prospect and it's not just me. if you looked at the "new york times" magazine this sunday, had a fascinating piece about conservatives and their anguish about donald trump, and there was an interview with george will, a man who has been a conservative his whole life, first vote was for barry gold water, written a column for the "washington post," really the dean of conservative commentators and you can tell he's visibly pained at the prospect of donald trump as president, confronting an international crisis, because no one trusts the temperament of this man. >> speaking of that, i'm sure you've seen this -- i don't know if you have. this is a cartoonist, a political cartoon that ran a little while ago and it says come button he will push, tweet or nuke. it seems like a joke there, but it's quite serious that. is sort of the prospect of what you face when you're in the oval office. the twitter thing now with him. >> here's the part that really is scary, which is there is a lot of what the president does, particularly in foreign and defense policy, that is unilateral executive action. so if a president were to say things -- just nearly say, merely repeat the things he has said about nato countries and eastern european countries maybe having to defend themselves b japan and south korea, maybe having to defend themselves, maybe it's okay to get nuclear weapons, that would trigger a wave instability in europe and east asia. these companies depend on a det det deterrent threat from the united states. you're hoping you don't have to go to war to prove that you would defend the baltic republics north korea and south korea and japan. that's what keeps the stability in place. you don't want to have to actually go to war. so the strength of your -- of your guarantee, the consistency of it, the fact that you don't waiver, that you don't -- you know, you're not temperamental about it, you don't change your mind whether the prime minister of japan is nice to you or somebody puts out a red carpet for you. it's crucial. i would imagine it's very worrying. i was in ukraine just ave week a a week ago they are freaking out to put it diplomatically. >> this is your new opinion piece in the washlz post and you say this entire election hinges on whether republicans can be rational and then you say of the five previous republican nominees for president, three will not publicly affirm they would vote for donald trump and i would bet john mccain will not in the privacy of the voting booth. now, you can -- i don't know if you can say leaders are being rational, are they, because they may be going with the electorate -- what their voters want? >> here's the point i was making. there's so much evidence and there's so many republican leaders who are -- who think trump is unfit to be president. the question is will that affect republican voters. there is such an elite mass divide right now, that you kind of wonder sometimes. in fact, trump feeds off this anti-elitism, where the fact that george will doesn't like him, the fact there isn't a single conservative commentator who endorses him, and probably four of the five previous republican nominees for president aren't going to vote for him doesn't seem to affect him, but that's the key to look for, because if you get bigger republican defection, if he gets only 80% of the republican vote, he will lose. if he gets closer to 90% of the republican vote, he will win. >> thank you, faried zakari, gps airless sundays, 10:00 a.m., and 1:00 p.m. eastern on cnn and i watch it every sunday. up next a scathing editorial against trump, but not endorsing hillary clinton either. marcopolo! marco...! polo! marco...! polo! marco...! polo! marco...! sì? 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"usa today" in a scathing editorial urging voters to reject donald trump calling him unpit f unfit for presidency. we want to talk to deputy editorial of "usa today" and cnn presidential historian. i'm glad to have you on. david, editorial board at "usa today" has never taken sides until. this whatever you do, resist the siren song of a dangerous d demagog demagogue, by all means vote, just not for donald trump. why now? >> well, we try to keep an open mind for this year as a train wreck has been going on in front of us, and we try to keep an open mind through the -- the -- >> primary? >> -- through the primary, through the conventions, where donald trump attacked a gold star family. we try to keep an open mind through this first debate but that was train wreck, too and when we came back into the office after the first debate it was very easy for diverse editorial board with conservativ conservatives, liberals, progressives, moderates. we just looked at each and other we knew this was the right thing to do. >> you called trump you say erratic, ill-equipped to be commander in chief, someone who traffics in privilege douse and coerced a national dialogue. you say his business career is checkered. that's pretty damning. >> and we were nice. checkered is you know a very diflom attdi diplomatic way to say six bankruptcies. it's really amazing. we were just talking in the green room about how he treated this debate without preparation is if it was something of no importance and maybe you can understand why he's gone bankrupt six times because he maybe treats everything that's -- that normal people would treat as really important as something that you just do by the seat of your pants. >> so your editorial board is saying some have reservations about her entitlement, and lack of candor, and extreme carelessness in handling classified information. where does this lead voters in. >> they can vote for the libertarian candidate, or hillary clinton. one thing you can say for hillary clinton is you know what you're going to get when you vote for hillary clinton. when you street for donald trump, is it going to be the donald trump who gives money to planned parenthood, or is it the donald trump who thinks women who want abortions should go to jail? is it the nancy pilossy donald trump, or is it the conservative trump in who knows. >> now, to you, neftali, ed to recallial boards, san diego, the union tribune there, for 1 fwra 48 years has never endorsed a democrat, the arizona public, and the cincinnati inquirer for nearly a century has not endorsed a democrat. the "dallas morning news" for 75-plus years has not endorsed a democrat. what is your -- what's your take here? >> well, don, journalists are in the reality business, not the reality show business and i'm sure it's very hard e-- i mean don can tell you better -- i mean david -- demands accuracy and data from his or her journalists to support someone who has a problematic relationship with the truth. we're not talking about policy issues and good wants versus bad wants. i can see how editors throughout this country find it hard to embrace somebody who first of all has nothing but destain for what they do and who is not in a reality-based campaign, is not offering one. that's one. the other thing i think is donald trump's campaign is directed against what he calls the elite and the way he defines the elite includes everybody almost in the knowledge business in the united states. anybody who researches, thinks, analyze, writes, he considers them all to be part of this elite, which he doesn't trust. well, i would assume that editors and journalists consider them part -- themselves part of that world and donald trump is actually created this intense antagonism between himself and all of them. so i'm not surprised. i think this is no longer if many for many a question of plit philosop philosophy. could this person do what is required as president of the united states, regardless where he comes on certain matters or issues of policy. >> tim david, thank you. she have i should have my glasses on. you said worscorstened the audi. and will the topic of alicia machado hurt him on election day, we'll discuss. so dad slayed the problem with puffs plus lotion, instead. puffs have pillowy softness for dakota's tender nose. with lotion to comfort and soothe when she blows. don't get burned by ordinary tissues. a nose in need deserves puffs, indeed. now get puffs plus lotion in the squeezable softpack. justice is spelled b-o-x.hero, say hello to a powerful tool that gives you options to fit your budget. ♪ oh, i'm tied to this chair! ♪ dun-dun-daaaa! i don't know that an insurance-themed comic book is what we're looking for. did i mention he can save people nearly $600? you haven't even heard my catchphrase. i'm all done with this guy. box him up. that's terrible. mornin'. hey, do you know when the game starts? 11 hours. oh. well, i'm heading back to my room. 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>> i couldn't agree more. there's an interesting dichotomy here, where we see donald trump at a different standard than hillary clinton is. he called the women bill clinton had bimbos and sicked all kinds of private investigators on these women. >> she called monica lewin ski that in -- it was a private conversation with her best girlfriend. she didn't do it publicly. >> there have been other instances she's attacked these women and they're coming out in droves saying how difficult it's been. it's a double standard. she should support all women like black liberals being conservativ conservatives, and condoleezza rice, who served during george bush's cabinet, or sit back and not say anything about it. >> let me and this and you can talk about this. is it the same thing as -- you know for an 18-year-old, 19-year-old woman to parade her in front of cameras and say she's an eating machine as to women who got into a consensual relationship knowing that someone was married and then suffer the consequences for it, and if you were -- say your husband cheated on you, would you say nice things about the person with whom he cheated? >> this isn't about what i would do. that's a hypothetical i'm not prepared to address. >> any woman, have you known a woman to say glowing things about the woman his -- her husband had an affair with? >> it's an excellent point. obviously any woman whose husband cheats on them will have an issue with the husband cheating. the question is how long would you say, five affairs, six affairs? six or seven affairs and some accusations of rape? there are 24 or so women who have accused her husband of exposing themselves to them. >> my question is it a fair and equal comparison? >> no, it's not a fair and equal comparison. these are apples to freaking grapes, okay. the fact of the matter is -- >> that fruit? >> donald trump is running to be president of the united states of america, and he has -- >> so has hillary. >> -- he has repeatedly say said disparaging things about women, pregnancy is an inconvenience to an employer and women who have abortions should be punished. he's called women dog, miss piggy, ms. housekeeping. >> alleged, not corroborated. >> pardon me. he's time and time again shown that he really has no respect in his word when is s when it comen and speaking about them. so how you can serve as president of the united states, men, women, asian american, native american, or otherwise, these are real questions people across country are asking themselves it would and donald trump has to be able to answer these questions. >> hillary clinton said this is unhinged even for trump, and she said what kind of a man stay up all night to smear a woman with lies and conspiracy theories, stacey. >> are they lies? is it true that she has a checkered past and shell lacks correct? i would say yes. >> that has not been corroborated. >> let's put it this way -- >> even if she was, why would it matter? >> why are we going to look into that. but i have to ask you, this stacey. if she was -- let's say she was a porn star, why would that -- >> okay. >> -- matter? why would you shame a woman for doing what she wants to do? >> it goes to her credibility, absolutely. >> the fact whether someone is a porn star, a stripper or mother at the r theresa, it is never okay to shame them, or their personal choices does not give anyone else license to treat them -- what donald trump said in those tweets was make excuses and make it seem like it's okay. >> we're going to be a little bit late in this segment. i have to and you. is it a matter of degrees when you're talking about this whether she's a porn star or posed news what you have, because mr. trump's wife posed nude and people wanted to shame her for it. that is a woman's prerogative. >> it was okay for people to shame her? >> why would you say that -- >> it was all over the media that she posed news. pictures were put on the cover of magazines and people just -- they had a field day with it and i didn't see hillary clinton -- >> that doesn't mean it's okay to shame -- >> i'm not saying it's okay. i'm saying it's a double standard. >> didn't you say she should have been shamed? >> i said it goes to her credibility. i doesn't say she should be shamed. >> it goes to ms. trump's credibility? >> i'm not asking for women to be shamed and i'm certainly not defending the comment it's. >> i'm certainly wanting this to be clear. i don't think someone should be shamed and ms. trump at all, but whose credibility are you speaking of? >> i'm speaking to the credibility of miss universe. >> okay. >> all of the things they're alleging have gone on that go to the credibility. >> this is a clip from buzz feed, a sore core video from 2000. donald trump is seen in a 13-second clip in a cameo. he then appears to pour a bottle of champagne on a logo. the campaign had a reaction telling reporters this, there's been a lot of talk about sex taip and in strange turn of events only one adult film emerged today and it stars donald j. trump. how do you respond to that, stay me? >> i haven't seen the tape, date of birth andtape, don, i would e appreciated having the opportunity to review that so i could discuss it with you but since i haven't had a chance to taken a look at t i can't comment on it. >> it's been out there all day. it's been all over. >> that wasn't a subject for our panel. >> would you like to comment, symon snerks. >> i would like to 20. i haven't seen the record for myself but i think this goes to yet again a double standard. you haven't seen the tape, stacey, so it's a suggestion that donald trump was in fact in this video. it's been suggested that alicia moor mark machado has a checked past. i don't think stacey would be asking to see the tape and the video of the. the fact of the matter is -- >> i don't think you should be alleging what i would be doing. >> donald trump has a long history of disparaging women and treating them unfairly and this is -- >> okay. >> -- as does hillary clinton. >> thank you stacey, and symone sglrvegts coming up, what howard stern says and what it could mean on election day. i am rich. with fans clamoring for our next hit album, we return to our extravagant private studio, where we turn gold into platinum. yes, i am rich. that's why i drink the champagne of beers. hhi.o. welcome. this is the chevy malibu. it was awarded "most dependable midsize car" by j.d. power. it looks great. wow! what is happening? 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she is going to do nothing for the hispanics. she's only going to take care of herself, her husbands, her consultants, her donors. these are the people she cares about. she doesn't care. >> clinton firing back, accusing trump of bigotry as well. so let's go right to cnn's jim acosta. this is a major change in trump's stance on deportation tonight. here's what he said in an interview. "no citizenship, that i pay back taxes, they have to pay taxes, there's no amnesty as such, but we work with them. now, everybody agrees we get the bad ones out but when i go through and i meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject and i've had very strong people come up to me be really, really great people come up to me and they have said to me, i love you, mr. trump, but to take a person who has been here for 15 years and throw them and their family out. it's so tough. this is a reversal. this is not a softening. >> oh, no, this is way more than a softening. this is wilting. during the primaries he called for a mass deportation force that would round up 11 million illegal immigrants and remove them from this country. now he's saying the ones in this country, the undocumented who have been law abiding can stay in this country, as long as they pay back taxes. he is saying that's not amnesty but a lot of conservatives within the republican party will say that is amnesty. and so donald trump is going to have to deal with that over these next several days. we understand in phoenix in the next several days he will deliver a speech on immigration where we expect him to give more details. he didn't go much into the details in this speech here in jackson, mississippi tonight. he only said his upcoming shift on immigration will not hurt american jobs and that sort of thing. he didn't talk about the details that he did in this interview on fox news. but, don, as you mentioned, one other sort of omg moment here and donald trump has these every couples of weeks, you'll recall a couple of weeks ago when he said president obama was the founder of isis and later he said he was just being sarcastic about that. listen to what donald trump what -- had to say at this rally here in jackson where he essentially called her a bigot. here is what he had to say. >> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. she's going to do nothing for african-americans, she's going to do nothing for the hispanics. she doesn't care what her policies have done to your communities. >> and donald trump was reading from a teleprompter, that line "hillary clinton is a bigot" is in his prepared remarks. so this is not something he has ad libbed, he has been veering off script and saying all sorts of thing this was not one of those moments. s. this was in the script and he delivered it as it was prepared. the other thing we should point out is this perfectly tees up donald trump for all sorts of criticism in the coming days. this is a candidate who said mexicans immigrating to this country were rapists. he said a mexican-american judge could not fairly handle the trump university case, that was considered by many to be a bigoted comment or a racist comment. to come out and call hillary clinton a bigot is going to open him up to that. >> thank you, jim acosta, i appreciate it. thank you very much for that, jim acosta. we appreciate it. i want to bring in mark preston, dana bash, patrick healy. okay. "the new york times" correspondent. dana, we're listening to jim. he didn't essentially call her a bigot. he called her a bigot tonight. >> yes and it was in the teleprompter. it was not something that was kind of a classic trump off-the-cuff remark that gets him into trouble. it was delivered you done on purpose. they're trying to be provocative, not something unusual for donald trump, but doing so as he is trying to make inroads himself with the african-american community by -- and with hispanics, with minorities in general by raising questions about what hillary clinton and democrats in general have really done for those communities as opposed to the lip service that they've paid. you can argue the merits of that, and we will for the next two months, but that kind of term certainly is getting him the press that he wanted. >> i want you all to listen to hillary clinton. this is her with anderson cooper talking about his responding to donald trump's bigot comment. >> it reminds me of that great saying that maya angelou had that when someone shows you who they are believe them the first time. and donald trump has shown us who he is and we ought to believe him. he is taking a hate movement mainstream. he's brought it into his campaign. he's bringing it to our communities and our country and, you know, someone who has questioned the citizenship of the first african-american president, who has courted white supremacists, who has been sued for housing discrimination against communities of color, who attacked a judge for his mexican heritage and promised a mass deportation force is someone who is very much peddling bigotry and prejudice and paranoia. >> patrick, considering what she just said and bringing up the litany of things she considers to be bigoted, is it wise for donald trump to go down this i know you are but what am i road? >> this is dangerous. it's coming at a time when donald trump is drastically softening his language on immigration, trying to make this strange overture to black and hispanic voters by saying what do you have to lose by voting for me and now he's going back to injecting this racially charged language. she has been and her allies have suggested he has been bigoted for a while now. that stuff sticks in his craw, sort of always does and now he's hitting back. he's going to mississippi to sort of punch her on this but it's one of those things that tends to overshadow everything else that he says, as he's trying to make these prepared remark speeches, he's using teleprompters -- and having prepared remarks at all of his rallies. >> that was in the teleprompter. >> it was. it used to be these free-form chaotic rallies. he's been trying to button up the last two weeks and then he makes a remark like this that's clearly calculated but it overshadows everything. >> what's the strategy behind a remark like this, mark preston, and do you believe it's a working strategy? >> i look to see what is the strategy behind it. the beginning of the week he gave a lot of praise to the trump campaign for cancelling that speech on immigration, allowed the media to attack hillary clinton. directly on her e-mails and directly on the foundation. allowed the media to attack hillary clinton. what we've seen tonight, though, is after a few days he has taken the spotlight and stolen it back and pulled it towards him. to use really racially charged attacks like that by calling hillary clinton is bigot is an overreach, a big overreach on his part. in many ways, it desensitizing everything else he's trying to say or calls into question what he's trying to say. if you don't believe that, it overshadows the attacks he's making on hillary clinton as somebody who is not fit to be commander in chief. >> that's a turn around. desi i guess the strategy was for him to be safer and not to say sort of outlandish things but this is a complete turn around, talking about the deportation thing, dana. i read it for jim accosta earlier. he says, "no citizenship. let me go a step further. they'll pay back taxes, there's no amnesty as such but we're going to work with them and he said people coming up to him saying they've been here for 15, 20 years, you can't just send people out. what's your reaction to this? >> you know, had we not had the hint starting on saturday and sunday from the trump campaign that he was moving in a direction pour like this this, i would be more shocked. but even though we knew something like this was coming, to see those words that came from donald trump is still really kind of unbelievable. i'm just kind of give you context of what it's like to be a former republican opponent of donald trump, people who were pushing this and were told by trump and trump supporters that that is amnesty period, end of story. >> isn't this already on the books? is this the policy that's already in place or pretty close to it? >> well, it's what people who were pushing for comprehensive immigration reform, some of them, some of them wanted to go to full on citizenship -- >> republicans like paul ryan have suggested -- >> absolutely. let me give you a quote which i thought summed it up. an ally of ted cruz said to me this would be like ted cruz suddenly saying i'm for obama care. that's the way that they look at this, what a shift it is because it's such a core issue for donald trump. >> it kind of reminds me of 2012 and mitt romney saying i don't like obama care and president obama saying obama care is essentially romney care. >> in massachusetts. >> it has your name on it. >> yeah, this is thinking about romney, too, an ultimate etch a sketch for donald trump. phrase about mitt romney sort of moving to the general election. donald trump won the republican nomination by going to rallies and saying those 11 million illegals are gone, they're gone. >> let's put it up and we'll talk about it. >> we're going to keep the families together. we have to keep the families together. >> but you're going to keep them together out? >> they have to go. we're going to have a deportation force, you're going to do it humanely. >> you're rounding them all up. >> we're rounding them up in a very humane way and a nice way. and they're going to be happy because they want to be legalized. >> i'm sure these are very, very fine people. they're going to go and we're going to create a path where we can get them into this country legally. >> so to your point, patrick. >> i mean, it's as close to a flip flop as i think we've seen -- >> as close to a flip flop? it is a flip flop. come on. >> i'm a "new york times" guy. you have a guy saying we're going to deport all 11 million. now to dana's point he was sort of setting up a softening the other day. that is the direction he was going. the weird thing about this, don, this is going to get a lot of play out on fox. he was sort of crowd sourcing. he does this at his rally sometimes, now, what do you think about deporting them, now what do you think about keeping some of them if they don't have criminal records. and he is tossing this souout. what is clear is he is softening his position, saying we have to make a decision soon on this. >> this is what hillary clinton told anderson about this change tonight. >> my understanding is the comment you just referred to is the third different position he took yesterday on immigration. somebody has told him, i guess the latest people that he's consulting, how damaging his statements have been, how terrible his deportation plan is, how offensive his views on immigrants have been since the very first day of his campaign. so he's trying to do kind of a shuffle here. but i think we need to look at the entire context. we need to believe him when he bullies and threatens to throw out every immigrant in the country and certainly when he changes his position three times in one day, it sends a message that it's just a desperate effort to try to land somewhere that isn't as, you know, devastating to his campaign as his comments and his positions have been up until now. >> mark preston, isn't the danger here that he is turning away the core supporters on that hard line -- and then he gives his opponent fodder for more criticism? >> i think we've become desensitized to donald trump saying one thing or monday, changing it on tuesday and something different on wednesday. we are did he sent -- there are a lot of centrist moderates who are saying this is the donald trump that i want to lead the republican party if in fact he wins in november. this is the donald trump we were all hoping for after he won the primary that would moderate his positions that we can then get behind. this is the donald trump that's okay at the top of the ticket. so even though we're very critical of the fact that he is changing his positions, it's a change that is actually going to be embraced by more republicans than repulsed by more republicans. more specifically to your point, don, those who have joined the donald trump campaign, those who are backing him they have nowhere else to go. they're going to stay with donald trump because they still believe he is going to make america great again. donald trump has become something he has said over and over and over again that he will never become and that's a politician. >> i have to get to the break. we're going to continue our conversation on the other side of this. we'll be right back. don't go anywhere. it's a perfor. with this degree of intelligence... it's a supercomputer. with this grade of protection... it's a fortress. and with this standard of luxury... it's an oasis. introducing the completely redesigned e-class. it's everything you need it to be... and more. lease the e300 for $549 a month at your local mercedes-benz dealer. mercedes-benz. the best or nothing. i'm jamie foxx for verizon. in the nation's largest independent study by rootmetrics, again, verizon is the number one network. hi, i'm jamie foxx for sprint. and i'm jamie foxx for t-mobile. 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for donald trump to say you know what, i should just stay on message because it actually works. that's the reason why politicians stay on message. however, he has done so well, at least did up until he got the nomination being his own guy. that was what made him donald trump. >> it's tough. it's hard to change. mark preston, we've been talking about it on the show, critics have been saying he needed to change and stay on message. he didn't listen to his critics. he said his critics were anti-trump, surrogates said he was anti-trump but when the polls fell, he said maybe i need to listen to the polls. >> right, and it took him a while, they have been dropping since the republican convention. >> donald trump has again become this politician that republicans potentially, those who have been sitting on the sidelines, could get behind. >> mark, can i put the polls up to give our viewers some context as you're talking about it. this is our new battleground poll out of arizona. latinos 18%, made up 18% of the electorate in 2012. shows clinton with 57% of the hispanic vote compared to 20% for trump. trump holds a 5-point lead over clinton in arizona. he has kellyanne conway, who better to lead your campaign than a pollster. so she must be reading something into these polls. continue on with your answer. >> let's take a step back. we look at those polls there, don that have just come out in the last 12 hours or so showing what's happening in the battleground states. when trump talks about reaching out to the minority community, let me give you numbers about the idea that he could get african-americans to support him. in droves. barack obama won 93% of the black vote in 2012, 95% of the black vote in 2008 when he was first elected. the hispanic vote, democrats have easily won the hispanic vote if you go as far back as 1980, the closest republicans ever came was george w. bush in 2004, he came in within 18 points of john kerry that year. and if you go back to 2012 when barack obama ran against mitt romney, mitt romney lost the hispanic vote by 44%. when donald trump is talking about reaching out to minority communities, it's a smart thing to do for the republican party, but to donald trump it's really about reaching out to disaffected voters who don't think he is soft enough, and have not made up their minds yet. >> dan rather and others have said he's reaching out for people they feel may be a bigot. >> and in the focus group, people were saying he's a little racist, we don't like this. >> so then on the other side now we have hillary clinton with this e-mail and the clinton foundation problem. but the e-mail, she spoke to anderson cooper about it and gave one of the most concise answers on it to date. here it is. >> i've been asked many, many questions in the past year about e-mails. what i've learned is when i tried to explain what happened, it sounds like i'm trying to excuse what i did. there are no excuses. i want people to know the decision to have a single e-mail account was mine. i apologize for it, i would certainly do different if i could. but obviously i'm grateful that the justice department has determined there's no reason to continue this further. and i believe the public will be and is considering my full record and experience as they consider their choice for president. >> so it interesting because i remember having the conversation with maria cardona and i said after the black journalist thing and i said the answer to that question is so easy, right? and that was the answer she gave. >> maybe she was watching you, don. >> no matter how i tried to answer this question -- >> i've answered it 77,000 times and every time i got myself into more trouble. maybe that's the way to answer it. but see that is kind of -- you could almost hear the tug of war inside of hillary clinton as she's answering that question because by nature she obviously is somebody who wants to explain and to deep dive and to give kind of all of the, you know, her lawyerly background all of the reasons why x, y and z is not true. it doesn't work with something like this. people want to know are you sorry? are you not going to do it again? yes. americans are forgiving. that's what they want. they want to move on. >> just like her refusal in 2007 and 2008 to ever go near for something that sounded like an apology for her iraq war vote. the summer of 2015, she was gritting her teeth, she would not say the e-mails were a mistake, she would not apologize. reporters would ask her, will you apologize now? it's been a year of excuses, excuses, excuses. there are no excuses. you see hillary clinton and donald trump getting on the postlabor day general election message, trying to clean up the things they feel they need to with undecided voters. at least the e-mail story is not going away. if trump comes out, you know -- >> just quickly, the one thing that i thought might be something you're going to hear more from the clinton people that she said tonight on the foundation issues, which have been really bogging her down is, okay, you know, maybe there are questions but we don't know anything about donald trump's -- never mind his taxes but his business. it's all private. >> oh, well. it's easy to say i'm sorry but i'm sorry i have to go to the next segment. mark, thank you very. -- thank you very much. up next, a top trump supporter goes head to head with the clinton deportation plan. we'll be right back. ♪ is it a force of nature? or a sales event? the summer of audi sales event is here. get up to a $5,000 bonus on select audi models. all providers. getters. drive with uber and make more than $300 a week by driving a few hours a day. calling all nine-to-fivers and night owls. with uber - a little drive goes a long way. start earning this week. go to uber.com/drivenow ♪ americans are buying more and more of everything online. and so many businesses rely on the united states postal service to get it there. because when you ship with us, your business becomes our business. that's why we make more ecommerce deliveries to homes than anyone else in the country. the united states postal service. priority: you do not mistake this is a journey.ion. where maps give way to meandering. and schedules are left a time zone or two behind. so go ahead. wander. then come home as someone new. or at least, someone who looks familiar. but tells much more interesting stories. travelocity, wander wisely. weand sustainability goals asool one of our top priorities.mental i definitely rely on pg&e to be an energy advisor. anything from rebates, to how can we be more efficient? 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>> well, don, you know that mr. trump, and i think you probably know he has been very successful in business and he is a problem solver. and it does tug at your heart the issues that we're facing in regards to immigration and people have spoken with him. i think we all should take a deep breath and wait for his policy speech to be made on this and move forward at that given time. but we've all said all along that we need our border secured. i've said that for, what, seven years for sure. secure our border, then we can deal with all these other issues. >> governor granholm, how is this not amnesty? >> first of all, you have to believe that what he's saying tonight is what he's truly going to act upon as opposed to what he's been saying for the past year, which is we're going to have a deportation force and people have to go. if he's not saying that, if he's saying we have a totally different change in plan and all of you people who have supported me throughout my entire campaign, well, not so much. you heard tonight he was at the rally sort of asking the crowd what he should do. who is this man? if he has a question about a policy, he's going to go to a rally and say should we bomb so and so? should i press the nuclear button? i mean, the man is totally unstable. i think that's really clear. and i agree that we should wait to hear what his formal policy is but, honestly, i don't think anyone should buy it. what he's been telling us and his supporters for the past year, that's what he intend to do. >> to her point, he has been saying for the past year there's going to be a deportation force. i'm wondering how supporters in your state are going to react to that because they were thinking i'm sure that they were going to deport undocumented immigrants. >> well, the people in arizona and the people of america are going to obviously wait to see exactly what his plan is. bottom line is is that calling him unstable, it's donald trump that won overwhelmingly the nomination because he speaks from his heart and he speaks what he thinks, what he's thinking at the given time. and to call him unstable, that's like hillary clinton, you know, she's a serial tale teller. we can go back and forth. tonight, governor, we're trying to solve and resolve a problem that's been facing america for the last 20 years and the last eight years have been horrendous. we need a solution and we need someone like donald trump to listen, which he has, he has spoken from his heart, he knows the difficulty of it but let's wait and just see exactly what it is. >> that's exactly what governor granholm just said. governor granholm just said we need to -- >> secure the border. >> you want the border secured. the criminals, the cartels, the rapists that the cartels come across with and the terrorists that come across with the cartel, those are the thing s that absolutely -- >> in the interest of time, governor, i don't mean to cut you off but we have a short time and i want to spend it wisely. to governor granholm's points this is what the bush spokesperson said "it is unsurprising that donald trump is finally faced with reconciling his immigration policy with reality, something governor bush predicted last year." governor granholm, many people were saying having a deportation force and building a wall weren't viable options because you physically cannot build a wall across the entire southern border and you cannot have a deportation force legally. they predicted this all along. >> it's totally ridiculous, those particular policies. the reason why donald trump wants to figure out how to get out of the pickle he's in, which is having created such massive opposition to himself on the part of both those who might otherwise be inclined to vote republican but are uncomfortable with the racial overtones of his campaign and the hispanic vote, you have a poll tonight where hillary clinton is ahead of donald trump by 27 points among hispanics. in governor brewer's own state. it is going to be very difficult for him to try to pull the wool over people's eyes who have been insulted, judge curiel, who have been called rapists and vilified for the past year. and called drug dealers. now to soften language and expect people are going to flow back is a very hard sell. >> governor brewer, this is the last word here in the interest of time. does donald trump risk the perception he is becoming everything he has attacked, he is seen as flip-flopping on certain key issues that he has initiated from the beginning? >> no, i don't believe so. i believe, again, that he is a problem solver. he's going to solve it. certainly he understands it's not only incumbent upon him to work with the united states congress to resolve these problems. i would think that the hispanic population certainly have not been -- their problems have not been resolved in the last eight years of obama and if we have hillary clinton, the serial tale teller, again, it won't get resolved. we need solutions and donald trump is the man that can do it and he has promised that that's what he would do and i take him at his word. >> all right, governors, thank you very much. i appreciate you joining me here on cnn. when we come right back, hillary clinton talks exclusively to cnn to the attacks of the clinton foundation saying the attacks are a lot of smoke about no -- a lot of smoke but no fire. woman: it's been a journey to get where i am. and i didn't get here alone. there were people who listened along the way. people who gave me options. kept me on track. and through it all, my retirement never got left behind. so today, i'm prepared for anything we may want tomorrow to be. every someday needs a plan. let's talk about your old 401(k) today. has made me the happiestotion, i humanoid in the galaxy. rtgage just push this button. (whisper) rocket see star trek beyond in theatres. a little bit earlier anderson cooper did an exclusive interview with hillary clinton, her first in a month. the candidate leaping to the defense of her family foundation. listen. >> he also said today, quote, that you sold favors and access in exchange for cash to people who donated to the clinton foundation. i know you point to the life saving work for the foundation that the foundation has done over the years, getting low-cost hiv drugs and other things and you deny the charges that mr. trump is making there, but at the very least there is an appearance of conflict of interest with the foundation. you've agreed to make changes if elected. why not have your husband step away from the foundation now? >> well, first, what trump has said is ridiculous. my work as secretary of state was not influenced by any outside sources. i made policy decisions based on what i thought was right to keep americans safe and protect u.s. interests abroad, no wild political attack by donald trump is going to change that. and, in fact, the state department has said itself that there is no evidence of any kind of impropriety at all. i think it important to recognize that the foundation, which does do life-saving work and is so well respected here in our country and around the world has been doing this work for a number of years, and in 2009 they took steps that went above and beyond all legal requirements and indeed all standard requirements followed by every other charitable organization, voluntarily disclosing donors, significantly reducing sources of funding, even to the point of, you know, of those funding being involved in providing medication to treat hiv/aids, and i think that the announcements that the foundation has made really reflect its desire to continue as much of its important work as possible but to do it in a way that provides great disclosure and although none of this is legally required, the steps go further than the policies that were in place when i was secretary of state. and it's important to remember, anderson, the foundation is a charity. neither my husband nor i have ever drawn a salary from it. you know more about the foundation than you know about anything concerning donald trump's wealth, his business, his tax returns. i think it's quite remarkable. >> why was it okay for the clinton foundation to accept foreign donations when you were secretary of state but it wouldn't be okay if you were president? >> well, what we did when i was secretary of state, as i said, went above and beyond anything that was required, anything that any charitable organization has to do. now, obviously if i am president, there will be some unique circumstances and that's why the foundation has laid out additional, unprecedented -- >> didn't those unique circumstances exist -- >> no, no. you know, look, anderson, i know there's a lot of smoke and there's no fire. this a.p. report, put it in context. it excludes nearly 2,000 meetings i had with world leaders, plus countless other meetings with u.s. government officials when i was secretary of state. it looked at a small portion of my time and it drew the conclusion and made the suggestion that my meetings with people like the late great elie wiesel or melinda gates were somehow due to connections with the foundation instead of their status as highly respected global leaders. that is absurd. these are people who i was proud to meet with, who any secretary of state would have been proud to meet with to hear about their work and their insight. >> you heard hillary clinton's defense of her family foundation. when we come back, i want to talk about her answers. how did she do? 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>> i think she was largely right on that. look, there are real problems in terms of disclosure. i don't think they actually adhered to their memorandum of understanding. but on the issues that she's addressing, the notion that people were paying to play and the a.p. article illustrated that, i think she's dead right. the first example was mohamed eunice, who is one of the world's true heros. he's a long-time friend of mine, a nobel peace prize winner, he's worked to give global credit all over the world. and the prime minister of bangladesh was trying to destroy him. it was absolutely appropriate for secretary clinton to try to help him in every way she could. this wasn't because he was bribing the foundation in some form. another example that came up was the crown prince of bahrain. bahrain is an ally of ours that has been engaging in ruthless repression. the belief is that the crown prince is one of the reformers in that country and i think she was probably trying to support the reformers in that camp. it didn't work but, again, i don't think that had anything to do with paying to play. >> we'll talk more about the clinton foundation. what about her answer on e-mails? >> this is the answer she should have given months ago. she's been digging herself deeper and deeper. >> let's listen. >> i've been asked many, many questions in the past year about e-mails and what i've learned is that when i try to explain what happened, it sounds like i'm trying to excuse what i did. and there are no excuses. i want people to know that the decision to have a single e-mail account was mine. i take responsibility for it, i've apologized for it. i would certainly do differently if i could. but obviously i'm grateful the justice department concluded there was no basis to pursue this matter further and i believe the public will be and is considering my full record and experience as they consider their choice for president. >> david axelrod said that was the best answer she gave so far on that. do you agree with him? >> this is a self-inflicted error, not only that she presumably set up the separate account because she wanted to avoid foia requests and then she provided all these absurd explanations why she was involving multiple devices, which were unpersuasive. she mischaracterized colin powell's statement and finally we have her saying what she should have been saying months and months ago. >> donald trump has been sharpening his attacks against hillary clinton, particularly talking about the clinton foundation. let listen. >> she wants to sell out american security to the clinton foundation for a big, fat pile of cash. it's hard to tell where the clinton foundation end and where the state department begins. >> fair criticism of the foundation? >> i think it's true that there were blurred lines between the foundation and secretary clinton and her office in the state department but there's no evidence that people were paying the foundation for benefits from the state department. there's no sign of any quid pro quo. so were there apparent conflicts? absolutely. did she manage them poorly? i think so. but no evidence of quid pro quos. at the end of the day, this is a foundation that's had a huge impact on aid world wide. >> a charity watch gives the clinton foundation an "a" grade, the best rating. yet the optics on this new report doesn't look good but it seems self-inflicted. she went on to say you know more about the clinton foundation and what -- that i don't take a salary from it than you know anything about donald trump's finances or taxes. >> it's frustrating for those of us who look at global health issues, the foundation has done fantastic work on provides aids meditation. micronutrients, the least sexy way to save children's lives around the world and yet because that work has been obscured because they did not adhere to this memoranda of understanding that they had with the obama administration. they appeared to try to hide some incoming monies being funneled through the canadian office, for example. >> if she becomes president, should they close it down and move it off to another ngo maybe? >> i think they probably should. i admire a lot of what the foundation has done but at this point, it's obviously a huge distraction. >> thank you, nicholas kristof. when we come back, donald trump and hillary clinton trading incendiary charges. he calls her a bigot. she fires back saying he's peddling prejudice, bigotry and paranoia. we have more when we come right back. ♪ ♪ pcountries thatk mewe traveled,t what is your nationality and i would always answer hispanic. so when i got my ancestry dna results it was a shocker. i'm everything. i'm from all nations. i would look at forms now and wonder what do i mark? because i'm everything. and i marked other. discover the story only your dna can tell. order your kit now at ancestrydna.com. real is touching a ray. amazing is moving like one. real is making new friends. amazing is getting this close. real is an animal rescue. amazing is over twenty-seven thousand of them. there's only one place where real and amazing live. book a seaworld vacation package and eat free. this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news, a major shift from donald trump on immigration. meanwhile, hillary clinton blasts him in an exclusive interview with cnn. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. trump in an interview saying there would be no amnesty but promising to, quote, work with undocumented immigrants. and in a blistering speech in mississippi, he calls hillary clinton a bigot. she fires back accusing trump of peddling bigotry, prejudice and paranoia with our own anderson cooper. i want to bring in mark preston and miss dana bash. let's start with the word bigot on the campaign trail tonight. here's donald trump. >> hillary clinton is a bigot
state polling done after the debate shows hillary clinton leading over trump. now, the first national post-debate poll from fox news shows clinton at 43%. trump has 40%, a two-point gain for clinton since the middle of september in the same poll. clinton is also leading in post-debate polling in the battleground state of florida. she's ahead by four points there in a mason dixon poll of registered voters. clinton's lead is bigger in michigan, 42% to trump's 35, according to a new detroit news wdiv poll, and she has the same seven-point lead in new hampshire. gary johnson has 13% in a new hampshire poll, and in all the other polls we mentioned, he and jill stein are in single digits. both trump and clinton were on the campaign trail. we'll hear about both of their days from our reporters on the ground, but we begin with the pre-dawn tweet storm from donald trump, including new insults for the miss universe, who he says gained too much weight. >> mr. trump, why'd you go on a late-night tweet storm last night? when it comes to his battle with former miss universe, alicia machado, mr. trump is no mr. congeni congeniality. in response to machado's claim that he called her migss piggy, he responded with a tweet storm last night. did clinton help disgustings check all out the sex tape become an american citizen? hillary was set up by a con. the trump campaign, which offers no proof machado never even appeared in a sex tape says it's just firing back. >> i don't know miss machado, but i've seen many of the interviews with her. she's not a very credible witness, you might say. >> reporter: machado insists her past is not relevant, admitting to cnn -- >> everybody has a past. and i'm not a saint girl. but that is not the point now. >> in a statement, she says trump's latest attacks are cheap lies with bad intentions, adding trump insists on demoralizing women, minorities, and people of certain religions through his hateful campaign. this is one of his most frightful characteristics. >> thank you very much. >> reporter: trump is also ripping into the clintons, with not-so-subtle references to their past marital problems. >> the clintons are the sordid past. we will be the very bright and clean future. raising questions of hypocrisy for trump, who's on his third marriage, and has had his own issues with adultery. >> you're not worried about your past history at all? >> not, not at all. i have a very good history. >> reporter: trump is also attacking the media, blasting reports that he was furious at aides for spilling the beans on his debate preparations, tweeting, remember, don't believe sources set by the very dishonest media. if they don't name the sources, the sources don't exist. >> and jim acosta joins me now. i understand that trump spoke in "the new york times" today about microphone trouble he had in the first debate. what did he say? >> that's right, anderson. donald trump did find some vindication at the end of this week. the debate commission found there were issues with that microphone in that first face-off with hillary clinton at a rally here in michigan. he suggested that there was some sort of conspiracy, saying to the crowd here that he wonders why his microphone was so bad. it was so bad. and then when "the new york times" asked about it, he said, well, he wants to participate in this next debate with hillary clinton, but at the same time, he says everybody is talking about this microphone. anderson, that was enough for the clinton campaign chair john podesta to fire off a tweet of his own late this evening, saying, i knew it. donald trump is going to chicken out, as he put it, out of these last two presidential debates. so they are just getting warmed up on this microphone issue once again, anderson. >> so you pointed out the debate commission put out a kind of very brief statement saying that there were problems with the mike in the hall, not to the 80-some-odd million people around the country, but not a lot of details on that if hillary clinton did not let trump's twitter storm go unnoticed. she has made a point she has made before, a man who can get so provoked by twitter should not be anywhere near the nuclear codes. brianna keilar reports on that. >> reporter: hillary clinton taunting donald trump after he went on an early morning twitter tirade about former miss universe, alicia machado. >> i mean, really, who gets up at 3:00 in the morning to engage in a twitter attack against a former miss universe. why does he do things like that? i mean, his latest twitter meltdown is unhinged, even for him. >> reporter: clinton is campaigning today in florida, home to 29 electoral votes. >> there are 39 days between now and november 8th! just 39 days left in the most important election in our lifetimes. >> reporter: the race there has been tight, but clinton's debate performance is giving her a bump in the polls. she's leading trump in florida by four points, largely due to her advantage in the decisive i-4 corridor, the counties between tampa to north of orlando. clinton is also ahead by seven points in both michigan and new hampshire. in nevada, she's up six. clinton hopes the next debate in a little over a week will be a one-two punch, even as donald trump and his surrogates bring up bill clinton's infidelities. >> it's fair game to think about how hillary clinton treated those women after the fact. >> reporter: clinton is not responding. >> no! look, he can say whatever he wants to say, as we well know. >> reporter: and she's still focusing on this. >> i, alone, can fix it. >> reporter: one of donald trump's key convention themes. >> i, alone, can fix it. i, alone? well, we've learned that that's his way. one person getting supreme power and exercising it ruthlessly. that's why he admires dictators like vladimir putin so much. >> and brianna joins me now live. so the clinton campaign, they must be absolutely loving all of this, the fact that at the end of the week, donald trump is still talking about something that she brought up, kind of an offhanded mark, certainly a choreographed and planned one, about the former misuniverse. >> this has gone way better than they could have imagined, anderson. this is day five, maybe going into day six. you had elizabeth warren tweeting about this. she's obviously supporting hillary clinton. she and donald trump have been trolling each other back and forth. so she put out a bunch of tweets today, kind of guaranteeing that the story will continue. and hillary clinton herself talked to alicia machado today for five minutes and the campaign put out a readout. they detailed what they discussed on the phone call. because when hillary clinton is talking about this, which they see as bad for donald trump, with hispanic voters and women voters, she's not talking about her own campaign. you had one campaign aide who said that donald trump can't help but going down the rabbit hole and it seems that they'll keep giving him bunnies to chase. >> lots to talk about with the panel, jonathan tasini, clinton supporter, christine quinn, "new york times" presidential campaign correspondent and cnn political analyst, maggie haberman trump supporter, paris denard, and trump supporter and former north carolina lieutenant governor, andre boward. so maggie, this late-night tweet storm, it seems like the more disciplined donald trump we have been seeing, teleprompters after kellyanne conway came onboard, that seems to at least this week have just disappeared. >> i think it's very hard for trump to look at the criticism he got after the debate, which was pretty widespread. and i know he has pointed to these internet polls that were not real or scientific as evidence that he did well. every other poll said that clinton had handily won and the coverage has all reflected that. trump has never really had that experience before. he's had controversies around things he said in the primary debates, but this was difference and his impulse when he feels like he is attacked or he feels like he is being mistreated, regardless of what the actual facts may be, is to lash out. the problem is that he is basically treating a former miss universe as if she deserves the same level of attention that he does. and that is not the case. this also continues, now day four of a story that his aides would really like him to stop focusing on. >> paris, is there nobody in donald trump's inner circle who can just say to him, look, just don't tweet. stop tweeting in the middle of the night. or stop talking about miss universe, because, clearly, he's the one who has continued this conversation all this week on "fox & friends." i mean, one thing after another. and it's not doing him any good. >> you know, what's unfortunate, anderson, is that secretary clinton called this the most important election of our lifetime. and yet, she decided to get involved in federal politics and bring in this issue up at the debate. >> how is that gutter politics? >> because it has nothing to do with the election. it has nothing to do with real americans and what their issues are, and what they're really concerned about. >> if a presidential candidate is calling people fat pigs, constantly referencing women's weight, that's not an important issue? >> i think an important issue the fact that there is joblessness, hopelessness in many communities, and the fact that people are suffering and really need help. that is the issue that people are concerned about at the dinner table. >> what does it say about your candidate that on day four, he continues to talk about something, by which your own admission, is not an important issue. >> back to your original question, i think kellyanne can talk to him and say, mr. trump, this might be off-message, you should probably put the twitter -- >> she said she did it to him -- >> right, she is the person who can do that and has done that, but at the end of the day, it's mr. trump, when he feels that someone is attacking him or coming after him, he defends and fights back. >> andre, donald trump said he did not take the bait during the debate. and yet, here we are four days later, and because of his own comments, and his continued talking about this, isn't this the definition of taking the bait? >> maybe not his definition. clearly, it's not the message i would like to be, as someone who's supporting the campaign, supporting the candidate. i think he's missing a real opportunity with 39 days out. >> 39 days left. >> to be focused like a laser beam on things that directly generate enthusiasm with people coming out to vote, and this is sidetracked and it's a carnival show and it's just not healthy, no matter what side you're on. and it's not exciting people to come out. it might make a few people mad one way or another, but i would rather him focus on what he thinks is strong -- >> i want to bring in patrick healey from "the new york times," joining us on the phone. patrick, i understand you just finish an interview with donald trump. what are the headlines? >> yeah, thanks, anderson. he basically said he had absolutely no regrets about sort of his overnight tweeting rampage against alicia machado. he said, you know, why would i have regrets? i'm a very truthful person and i'm telling the truth. you know, now people understand it. before the tweets, people didn't understand. so he's sort of -- he's stood by those very strongly. and he was really sort of furious about the way that he sees hillary clinton sort of seizing on this issue. he said he was absolutely disgusted by the way that she was supporting alicia machado. and then he also sort of basically went to this larger, what he saw as this larger pattern of the way mrs. clinton treats women for what he said were her political ends. basically, sort of really going after the clinton marriage again, saying that, you know, hillary clinton had been married to the single greatest abuser of women in the history of politics and that she had been an enabler, and he made clear that he wants to put this at the center of his argument. she said, quote, she's nasty, but i can be nastier than she ever can be. and then i pressed him, anderson, too, on his own marriages and sort of the question of hypocrisy, since he's been married three times, i asked him if he'd ever cheated on any of his wives, and he said, um, he said, no, i don't -- i never discuss it, i never discuss it. it was never a problem. and i kept sort of pressing him about, especially marla maples, and he said, i don't talk about it. i wasn't president of the united states. i don't want to talk about it. so, you know, he was definitely trying to sort of keep prosecuting this target against hillary clinton before the first debate, second debate, try to unnerve her. but also still, you know, when he gets those questions about his own marriage, marriages, there was definitely discomfort there. >> so he seemed -- i'm curious about that, in particular, so he seemed uncomfortable talking about it? do you think he didn't expect you to ask those questions? because, obviously -- >> no, he was pretty -- he was pretty surprised. he asked me to repeat the question. we were speaking by phone, while he was on a campaign swing in michigan. you know, but, in talking to him about why he's bringing up president clinton's indiscretions and kind of why he feels like he has a leg to stand on there, you know, he started kind of making some real kind of moral judgments about their marriage and so i decided to press him on his own relationships, you know, over the years. and it clearly was something that he, you know, he basically wanted to say, i think part of what i was struck by, anderson, i left this out, was that he said that infidelity was, quote, never a problem during his three marriages. the marla maples news has been out there are for a number of years, but he seemed to be indicating unlike bill clinton and the troubles that brought, that infidelity was, quote, never a problem during his marriages. >> okay, there's a lot of ways to interpret that, i guess. did he say anything about participating to the next debate or the microphone issue? >> yeah, anderson, he was raging about the microphone issue. he was sort of very angry about it. he said that about 50% of his thought process at the first debate was devoted to trying to deal with this faulty microphone. he basically said all of his problems in the first debate that anyone could see was just related to this microphone. i kept pressing him about how, on television, he sounded fine, but he was insisting in the hall, it was off, it sort of threw him, melania was signalling to him from the audience that there was some kind of a problem with the microphone, and he felt very off. and i said to him, well, does this give you any concern about participating in the second debate? you know, does it give you pause? and he said, i want to participate in the second debate, you know, the microphone situation needs to be fixed. but he really kind of indicated that he felt like someone was monkeying around with his microphone and that's who he put the blame on. >> patrick, if you could please stay on the line with us, we want to take a quick break, but continue this discussion and bring in our other panelists, as well. we'll be right back. ut the netw. all the networks are great now. we're talking within a 1% difference in reliability of each other. and, sprint saves you 50% on most current national carrier rates. save money on your phone bill, invest it in your small business. wouldn't you love more customers? 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>> yes. he was totally focused on the mike, anderson. he was talking about the way that it was positioned, the height of it, but then also, he felt like someone, as he said, someone was modulating the volume or the levels of the mike offstage and was not doing it to hillary clinton. so at times, he felt like he could be heard in the hall, he couldn't be heard in the hall, and he said he's worked with mikes for 30 years and he knows when something's not working. so you know, we kept going back to this idea that 50% of his thought process during the debate was being devoted to trying to handle the mike and not have it be a distraction. >> i understand you also asked him about something he had said during the debate about a pledge to support hillary clinton if she, in fact, gets the presidency. >> yes, he was really kind of going off on hillary clinton, her support for alicia machado, you know, his -- the issues with the clinton marriage. i said, well, look, do you really believe it when you said at the last debate that you would quote/you unquote absolut support hillary clinton if she won in november? and he said, look, we're going to have to see. we're going to see what happens. we're going to have to see. and i had this feeling in there, i sort of pushed him on the follow-up, and he wouldn't move off of the, we're going to have to see formulation. it seems like what he's doing and i wrote the story with my colleague, maggie haberman, we were talking about it, about how it seemed like what he was trying to get at is kind of the new front where he's really trying to do what he can to kind of unsettle mrs. clinton or so he opens, before the second debate. and really kind of put their relationship, their marriage, you know, his -- you know, his take on her own legitimacy, possibly as the future president at stake. and try to rattle her. >> is there any other -- anything else i should ask you about from the interview? we're just hearing about it for the first time. >> no, he was just very, very tough on alicia machado, i mean, really sort of standing by, again, the overnight tweets that he sent. he sort of asserted again without offering any evidence that she once participated in a sex tape and just sort of kept repeating, you know, that mrs. clinton was making this young lady into a girl scout, when she was the exact opposite. and you know, really going tough and i sort of pressed him on, how does this line of attack appeal to, let's say, undecided women voters? like, why does he think this helps? and he sort of has this view that, look, it's about saying who these people are and, you know, calling them out, and getting people focused on the right things and hopefully voters will pay attention to that. >> and i should just say, again, for -- we have not confirmed that there is a sex tape that donald trump continues to refer to. patrick, i appreciate you calling in with the latest on that interview. maggie haberman from "the new york times," your co-reporter here is -- what is -- i mean, what do you make of these latest statements from trump? >> i think that trump wanted to -- has wanted to go in this direction for a long time. i think it is front of mind. i think there is some disagreement within his campaign and his advisers about how he should do it and whether he should do it, but i think there are a lot of people advising trump right now who were around or involved or had some connection to the impeachment process, when bill clinton was going through the lewinsky scandal. so i think that for trump, this feels very top of mind. he also, i think, genuinely has come to believe this is a know tnt line of attack. i think what he doesn't quite see is that it's opening him up to questions, like what patrick asked him, about his own marriage, where he said, there was never an issue with that. there was a pretty tabloidy, well-publicized issue with his first marriage that resulted in his second marriage. so i think -- i just think that i don't know how some people around him argue that this will help him, this will peel women voters away from hillary clinton. the way he's delivering this line, it's hard to see how that's going to work. and you're at the stage of the election where it's very tight and what you want to be doing is adding voters, not subtracting them. >> there's also -- as a clinton supporter, christine, there's a lot of folks surrounding donald trump in the inner circle, who are advising him, who also have, you know, a past, as well with some, you know, marital problems, which lots of people have. i'm not making a value judgment on it, but that's just a fact. is that something that then donald trump risks bringing into this presidential race, as well? >> well, i think, you know, what the risks are or aren't are kind of in a way, almost besides the point. i can't believe we're having this conversation? right, we're on cnn, on your show, a very important show, and we're talking about whether we've been -- the press has been able to validate that there's a sex tape relevant to a former miss universe, who now has become the focus of a week of a debate about the presidency of the united states. i mean, somebody's going to write a history book about this some day. >> but isn't this -- >> no one's going to believe it. >> but haven't you thought this past week has gone well? >> you know, i have to say, aisle saddened by this past week. in a pure political sense, sure, it's great. but i actually think, and i think if you ask a lot of people in the clinton campaign, this is bad for the country. this isn't good for the office. and i really don't understand why donald trump on tuesday morning kept it going. and i was on "new day" this morning and i was shocked. i was preparing to go on and saw these tweets. they're just the most outlandish, undignified, bizarre thing i have ever seen. and you know, not to be tripe, but my father used to always say to me when i was a kid, it's nice to be nice. and it's a pretty good rule to live by, except i don't think donald trump's father ever said it to him. his life isn't about, it's nice to be nice, it's nice to create huge lies about people and then use your media empire to spread them. i just -- it's beyond me. and it goes to the point that he can't be president. a guy who not only can be baited by a tweet, but bites into it and can't let go like a rabid dog. >> but, doesn't it fall -- i mean, for hillary clinton's earlier argument that she made during the democratic convention, that they can be baited by a tweet, that he can -- that a tweet can so upset him that he loses focus on other stuff, doesn't this play into that narrative? >> look, it plays into the narrative that when somebody attacks your character, that you're going to fight back. if it's at 3:00 in the morning, 4:00 in the morning, or during a presidential debate, when you attack somebody's character -- i appreciate your comments, and i think they're very, very spot-on about how deplorable this is. but at the same time, we have to remind the audience, secretary clinton inserted this into the debate on purpose. and then the media has, in part because of mr. trump, his tweets, has continued this line. we're not talking about the basket of deplorables -- >> the word "sex tape" never came out of secretary clinton's mouth. >> machado and those issues came from secretary clinton's mouth. she knew this was going to happen and she wanted it to happen because she doesn't want to talk about the issues. and that's unfortunate. >> she could never have known donald trump was going to do this. >> first of all, one of the things we're missing in this whole tape issue, is the same effort to blame the victim is what women have faced in cases of rape and all sorts of abuse by men. machado is not the issue. the issue is we have a deranged candidate. and the spirit of ana navarro is quite here. i heard her, quite fiery. and there's a history to this going back a whole year. donald trump's behavior in the last few days is no different than the past year. he is a draked man. the "union leader" of new hampshire, which is a conservative newspaper, here's what they said about him. "the man is a liar, he's a bully, a buffoon. he denigrates any individual group that displeases him. he has dishonored military veterans and their families." if you read the "usa today" editorial, which doesn't endorse hillary clinton, quite critical of her, he's erratic, ill-equipped to be commander in chief, a serial liar, a man who's not fit to be president. a long editorial. why are we even -- to christine's point, why are we even discussing this man as a possible commander in chief? >> well, because he is. >> i know, but i'm telling you, he's deranged, and what we need to talk about is -- i'm sorry. if you look at the behavior of this man from the beginning, a serial liar, attacks women -- >> i want paris to be able to respond. >> i think it's irresponsible to call somebody deranged. if you're not a doctor, have not analyzed him, you cannot call him deranged. >> no, but when you look at his behavior over the past year, in the debate -- >> when you look at secretary clinton's behavior, and how she attacked the victims against president clinton. if you go back, she was very, very much attacking those women and calling out their past. if you want to open up this window, if you want to open up the door, she should be very careful. >> she knows exactly what she's doing. >> number one, there is a sex tape. i easily the googled it today, not that i want to watch it, but just to clarify, it's not so high in the sky. it's out there. >> so what? >> i'm not -- >> let's just stop on that -- >> i'm not here to -- >> i'm not either, but -- >> -- but to make the point, fact checkers have found no evidence that there was a sex tape -- excuse me. >> well, they need help. >> there was a reality tv show that she was involved in and that appears to what they were referring to. but there is not -- when somebody says "sex tape," the image that they come up with is of kim kardashian or paris hilton and that's what -- >> -- said there was 100 of them. >> i've watched it today. it was pretty easy to find. >> we should not be using those words. we should look at donald trump's behavior -- >> -- hillary clinton knew what she was doing and she's been using women for a long time, anytime it was convenient for she or her husband, she threw this out like red meat. so she knows what she's doing and they have, the clintons, for a long time have known how to use people to the best of their advantage. and this is just one more example. >> can i say, hillary clinton has dedicated her life, among other things, to improving the quality of life of women and girls across the world. so to say that hillary clinton -- there's a lot of things people can say about hillary clinton and a lot of criticisms, but to say that she has used women is outrageous. she's dedicated her entire life. she went to beijing and stood up and said that women's rights are human rights. she stood up for lesbians and bisexual women across the world who are getting murdered. you may disagree with her politically, but she has -- >> she's taken millions of dollars in her foundation from countries and government -- >> she has done more, she has without a doubt, in every fact measure, even by conservatives, done more to help women than -- >> she discredited any woman that came against her husband, that had an affair with her husband. >> but what you see with donald trump is attacking miss universe. you see him attacking women in the military who were victims of sexual assault and rape. >> -- that appeared on cnn today. >> he has been sued for saying that unattractive women cannot work in his clubs. this is a man who has a pattern of behavior, in his own words, saying if you're not a ten, you're not worth it. if you're flat-chested, something to the effect that you're not worth it. he simply can't be president of the united states. >> hillary clinton is a super predator and called us basket of deplorables. i don't see her standing up for jennifer flowers or all these other women who were attacked by bill clinton. >> on the deplorables thing, just factually, she did apologize for saying "half." she amended her statement, somewhat. has donald trump afteramended or apologized for -- >> she was talking about the white supremacists and the alt right people who are -- >> but has he ever apologized or amended a state, to your knowledge? 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>> it's a story that really requires many pages and a couple of hours of television, i think, to tell in context. there is no question, particularly back in arkansas, when enemies of bill clinton alleged that he had maintained a slush fund, which was not true, to support five women with whom he was having affairs. and the truth is, he was probably having affairs with at least a couple of those women. the women were named. and the law firm that hillary clinton was a partner of, the rose law firm, undertook to investigate the women and to get statements from them that they were not having affairs with bill clinton. according to betsy wright, who was bill clinton's secretary, and told me that they did get statements from those women, they included jennifer flowers. that there were no affairs that took place. some of those statements were probably not true. at the same time, hillary clinton are interrogated one of those women. so a lot of things go back to that original incident. >> and how do you think secretary clinton will react if trump brings all of this up in the next debate? she's certainly be dealing, answering questions about her husband's infidelities for 25 years. do you think she'll be thrown off guard by something he mentions or what? >> i don't think we can predict how she's going to respond publicly, because she goes to many places with this. first of all, she is a deeply religious person and it's her faith that has gotten her through an awful lot of this, including the lewinsky period. she goes to the bible, she meditates. and that's part of where she gets some stability and stays level on these questions. there's also anger that she has had through her life at bill clinton for putting her and them into this position. and at the same time, her view of the quote, vast right-wing conspiracy is fanning these flames, including donald trump as a representative of that particular school of politics, even though he might not come from the vast right-wing conspiracy, she views this whole question the same way, to some extent. it makes her very angry. but she's determined to undermine this line of attack. at the same time, there is a way, i think that a more reasonable candidate than donald trump, if she wanted to make this an issue, could bring it up for discussion. but certainly, roger ailes, rudy giuliani, they're advising donald trump and they're advising him in an inkrecendiar way that's blowing up in their faces, i think. and she'll exploit that pretty successfully from everything we've seen in the past. >> carl bernstein, we shall see. coming up, donald trump says he loves and cherishes women, but he surrounds himself with men who have a questionable history with the opposite sex. and of course, the question is will the clinton campaign bring that up if he brings it up in the debate? 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>> nashville is one of the fastest-growing cities in america, if not the fastest, i'm not sure. i think 100 people on average move there every day. >> i didn't know that. >> it is still affordable, and increasingly very cool. it's of course -- you know, it touts itself as a music city usa and you think country music. not so. >> i assumed you went to hang out with some musicians? >> it is a very music-centered show. we were extra ordinarily fortune. we've never been so lucky. we got marsha o price, we got the band that kills, we have the band -- the dead weather with mr. jack white, third man records, so it is a very music centric show, but not always the music you would stereo typically expect. it's probably the greatest bounty of great music that we've ever had on the show. >> wow. >> so what's the food that you focus on? >> i don't know, it's all about the music. no, hot chicken. you know how you feel about that liver? >> uh-huh. it's very good liver, i just am not -- >> multiply your wariness by a thousand. that's how i feel about hot chicken. >> hai don't know whether they t it themselves or they have this place for like people from out of town that come in as a right of passage. >> it's crazy spice me? >> it's chicken just clenchdred an inch-thick coating of pure caian pepper. i've eaten many things. never in my life, has a meal destroyed me. >> really? >> you have like an iron tom oka stomach. you don't even sweat when you eat hot stuff. >> four days. i was limping and chastened, and i thought -- they offer you -- of course they offer mild, medium and hot. >> right. >> and like a complete knuckle head, i can take the hot. i've been to china. no, i don't think nashville actually eat the hot. i think they eat that for the yankees, because it was just -- i was working the circuit between bed and the bathroom. >> really? >> it was like the indy 500 quicker and uglier. faces will melt, lives of change. >> i'll look forward to that. antho anthony bourdain heads to nashville sunday. don't miss it. a 100-year-old voter has waited her whole life to cast a ballot for a female candidate. marco...! polo! marco...! sì? polo! marco...! polo! scusa? ma io sono marco polo, ma... marco...! playing "marco polo" with marco polo? 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>> yeah, it's pretty striking. he says he has absolutely no
what did he say? >> it appears donald trump jr. is trying to clean this up for his father amid all these questions over softening what his position really is on immigration. it was interesting in this interview that will air tonight with anderson cooper, donald trump jr. was asked specifically about a moment that really exemplifies has donald trump has almost been processing and deciding his immigration policy, almost in real time. this happened last week in austin, texas where trump almost polled the crowd and said what do you think i should do about the undocumented immigrants in this country? that caught a lot of people's eye and ear then. well, don junior responds to that moment. >> he wasn't softening on anything. he didn't change his stance on anything. what he did and what he's done all along is he's speaking with the people. he's not lecturing them like most of the politicians you see. he's actually have something a conversation. he basically surveyed the room, hey, what are your thoughts because i want to take into account what the people say, unlike our opponent who basically takes into account only those who contribute millions and millions of dollars to her campaign. he's actually having a conversation with the people of this country, the hard working men and women who made this country great. he's giving them a voice. he asked an opinion. he didn't say my policy's now changed. the media will run with it however they want. that's not what actually happened. i was in the room. >> it did seem to some viewers though who we talked to that it seemed like he's polling the room, he's not quite sure what his own policy is. >> he was asking for an opinion. his policy has been the same for the last six, seven, eight months. >> he still says deport, they all got to go. >> that's still the same but you have to start with baby steps, let i.c.e. do their job, eliminate sanctuary cities, eliminate criminals first and foremost you have to secure the border. >> now two words, right, that really caught my ear -- baby steps. that's such a different interpretation in tone and approach than we heard from donald trump during the primary campaign talking about mass deportations, round them all up, get them all out on day one so we still have questions leading into tomorrow's big speech. >> we'll talk more. for now, thank you so much. make sure you watch this entire interview with anderson cooper, donald trump jr., at 8:00 tonight only here on cnn. meantime, from the news on immigration ahead of tomorrow, we have more breaking news. this is about the fbi's investigation into hillary clinton's use of a private e-mail server. along with the official report that led to no charges, the fbi is now planning to release notes from hillary clinton's voluntary interview at fbi headquarters as early as tomorrow. the release here is in response to numerous freedom of information requests, including from cnn. the investigation sure to be a hot topic on the big stage when hillary clinton and donald trump face off during the very first debate on september 26th. i can tell you that cnn has confirmed that the man whose name appears on the cover of this book right after trump's is actually now advising hillary clinton's debate prep team. co-author of "the art of the deal," tony schwartz who worked with trump in the heart of the '80s and now one of mr. trump's most ardent opponents. here is the prediction schwartz gave "the new york times." in this piece they published this morning, "he will use --" talking about trump. "he will use sixth grade language. he will repeat himself many times. he won't complete sentences and he won't say anything of substan substance." okay? but here is the "but." when they talk to mr. schwartz about hillary clinton, he said, no, no, it won't necessarily be a slam dunk for her either. "clinton has to be careful. she could get everything right and still potentially lose the debates if she comes off as too con condescending, too much of a know-it-all. the author of this piece in the "times" this morning was absolutely fascinating. patrick, nice to see you. >> good to see you, brooke. >> let's talk about how you all sort of start the beginning of the piece with tony schwartz, as we mentioned, who they've hired, and also this psychological expert. what is team clinton trying to do with these two? >> yeah, just to be clear, they haven't hired tony schwartz but they are talking to him and talking to psychology experts, sure, and other writers. brooke, going as far back as in the 1980s, people who worked up close with donald trump, who knew him, who could see what boir bothered him, what would get under his skin, like whether he was as successful a businessman as some of his rivals, whether he was hitting the $500 million mark or closing in on $1 billion. sort of his insecurities around his own net worth, his own success, even his own intelligence. the clinton campaign is sort of creating what they've described as this kind of personality and psychological profile to try to figure out how to get under his skin and bait him in the debates. they see this, as tony schwartz said, they aren't going to win, they don't think, the debates by just sort of piling on policy details and trying to win on points. it's going to be about temperament and trying to get trump to undermine himself. >> which i think is what one of my next guests will i a agree with you on temperament. as for trump though, patrick, how and with whom has he been preparing? >> yeah. he has sort of a tight circle, kellyanne conway, his campaign manager, who is also his pollster who is able to come to his sunday debate prep sessions that he's been having out at his golf course in new jersey with polling data with sort of what works, what kind of issues and answers sell. he's got roger ailes with him, former head of fox, who is kind of a master in terms of communication, in terms of the sound bites, memorable sound bites. he's got steve bannon from breitbart. the first session he also had lau laura ingraham. but i was told he hates these mock debates, he finds them phony. he think there is such a thing as overpreparing. he said, "i know how to handle hillary." this is a guy who has so much self-confidence about his way on a debate stage. what he's still grappling with is it's not going to be nine other people on the stage like the primaries but one person who's going to have to go hard at. >> as they do these mock debates -- or at least hillary clinton is practicing -- who are some of the names they are throwing out as potential people to play trump? >> yeah. it sounds like they're going to have one person play trump in the mock debates, in the days leading up to that late september debate. they want that person actually to be willing to spend a lot of time preparing to play trump, to watch trump in those primary debate videos, to know trump's policies. and to get under her skin. hillary wants someone to unnerve her. they're talking about congressman joe crowley, congressman from new york, who's tough, who can sort of get in her face. they are throwing it open even to like actors, like an alec baldwin or a george clooney. it is unlikely it is going to be an actor. they think it will be another politician. >> okay, patrick healy, thank you so much. let's broaden this out here and bring in cnn political commentator lonnie chen who used to be the public policy director for mitt romney. eric haas, communicate igs dire director for al gore when he was running. begin, larry, what patrick was telling me, they have not hired but they are having conversations with the co-author of "the art of the deal," and the psychological expert trying to these these vulnerabilities of mr. trump, needing him on stage and see when he responds. is that a typical thing when it comes to presidential debate prep if. >> certainly, every time you are preparing for a debate you are looking for how to exploit weaknesses of your opponent. i think for secretary clinton, it is a little bit tricky but she'll be able to do this pretty effectively because donald trump has an incredibly thin skin. he seems to react violently, at least in rhetorical sense, any time he is challenged on anything. i think the trick for secretary clinton is to do it in a way in which it doesn't appear like she's getting in the mud with him. so she will point out contradictions of his policy. she will probably relate third-party validation about how awful some of his policies would be, whether it's the trillions of dollars in debt that he would add with his tax cuts, or jobiously closing the border and the trade war and all the rest. she will do it in a way that is high-minded. but because he's being challenged, i suspect that he will quickly react in a childish way which will demean him and it is the last thing he needs in this debate is to appear even more demeaning than he's already come across in this campaign. >> and maybe childish, maybe not, which could then throw hillary clinton back off of her game if she thought she had found his vulnerability and he was sort of calm and collected. lonnie, what do you think? you wrote this piece for cnn on ways trump could win the debate. what's the number one way? >> i think it is important for him to address the temperament issue, demonstrating he has the temperament and judgment to withstand whatever attacks come from clinton. certainly she's going to have prepped and know what his pain points are and she'll go after those so he has to be able to respond accordingly. he also has to be very careful not to overstate the case for hillary clinton. there is plenty of proof points out there on why it might be that hillary clinton is untrustworthy, for example. he doesn't need to go making things up and chasing conspiracy theories. i do think he needs some policy. i think he needs to demonstrate that he's got some kind of plan to deal with the problems americans face. >> doesn't need to be -- >> not the world's greatest expert but he needs to say, look, i've got some ideas. >> when looking at debates past, 2000, george bush and al gore. al gore was a little bit confident going in to that debate. who emerged the victor was george bush and much ado was made over the size. here's the clip. >> now for every dollar that i propose to spend on education, he spends $5 on a tax cut for the wealthiest 1%. those are very clear differences. >> man's practicing fuzzy math again. there is differences. >> now people had a bit of fun and matched up the size and that was an issue for al gore in that debate. my question on hillary clinton is, as folks who pointed out, she has to be careful not to come off as a know-it-all, not to be condescending. >> no doubt about it. she knows more about public policy than any of us combined. she needs to not overdo it. she needs to be prepared, not rattled, not taken off her game, not to kind of tighten up and appear as if she's being very sensitive. she needs to not be programmed. she needs to let some of her genuine -- and i mean genuine -- warmth and charm come through. for her it is about demeanor. i think for donald trump, the challenge is just much greater. he doesn't appear presidential, at least to this date, in terms of temperament or in terms of policy. and so if he tries to appear presidential, he has to contradict himself. and if he goes back to the way he's been that he continues to turn people off. she's got a challenge, but he has a much larger one. >> lonnie, he has said so far he's not done an actual mock debate itself. he also has said if i do this too much i may come off as phony and scripted. i mean maybe there is some truth to that but you kind of have to practice. >> it is a fair point. but i think he really needs to approach this in a disciplined way. it is one thing to be comfortable. think being comfortable in prep is crucially important. when we prepped governor romney, we always made sure he had a comfort with what we're doing. but at some point you have to be disciplined and i do think mock debates play a role. the substance of the prep is the most important thing. but he does need to get serious if he wants to perform in the way he needs to perform to turn this campaign around for the first debate. >> lanhee chen, thank you so much. larry haas, thank you to you as well. join us on labor day. we'll be working. turn on cnn to hear personal stories about both candidates. starting at 10:00 eastern time, "unfinished business -- the essential hillary clinton." then "the essential donald trump." meantime, the has topastor introduces donald trump at his rallies now apologizes tweeting out hillary clinton in black face. but he's also in some trouble for yet another tweet. we're going to explore that ahead of mr. trump's visit to detroit this weekend. also ahead, is it possible the election could be hacked. yep. new fears and new information about hackers breaking in to the system. the vulnerabilities there. after he left a profanity-laced voicemail, the governor of maine says he will consider resigning, but then minutes later he changed his tune. hear why. i'm brooke baldwin and this is cnn. why pay for insurance if you have to pay even more for using it? if you have liberty mutual deductible fund™, you could pay no deductible at all. sign up to immediately lower your deductible by $100. and keep lowering it $100 annually, until it's gone. then continue to earn that $100 every year. there's no limit to how much you can earn and this saving applies to every vehicle on your policy. call to learn more. switch to liberty mutual and you could save up to $509. call liberty mutual for a free quote today at liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. hillary clinton: i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. vo: in times of crisis america depends on steady leadership. donald trump: "knock the crap out of them, would you? seriously..."vo: clear thinking... donald trump: "i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me." vo: and calm judgment. donald trump: "and you can tell them to go fu_k themselves." vo: because all it takes is one wrong move. donald trump audio only: "i would bomb the sh_t out of them." vo: just one. welcome back to cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. days before donald trump takes his pitch to african-american voters in a major hub of black history of culture, detroit, michigan, one of his high-profile surrogates, pastor mark burns, was blasted for sending this controversial tweet. it is a caricature of hillary clinton in black face. pastor burns forced to apologize this morning on cnn. >> i pray those i offended take it as a sincere apology because it was never my intent to hurt or offend anyone. last thing i want to do is draw attention away from mr. trump's policy. i realize that was divisive. this is not the campaign talking. this is not someone yelling in my ear saying you need to take that down. this is mark burns all by himself who truly loves people and i love this country and i believe in donald trump for president. >> here with me now, professor joseph, director of the center for the study of race and democracy, university of texas at austin. professor, welcome back. nice to see you. >> good to be back. >> let's just begin with you just saw pastor burns. you also have the trump campaign working to disavow the david duke robo calls. you have the fact that he's been criticized for speaking and reach out to black voters in majority white audiences. he is indeed going to detroit this weekend. what does he need to say? >> i don't think there is much he can say. i think that what's going on here is that donald trump's attempt to reach out to african-american voters really has gone from being a tragedy to a farce because his campaign has unleashed furies of racial hatred in the country, some that he's partially responsible for, some that at the's actually not responsible for but that he's become this galvanizing symbol, not just to david duke, but white lives matter has just been named a hate group. david duke has become an icon of racial injustice and racial intolerance in the united states. what's interesting is unlike richard nixon in 1968 and even ronald reagan in 1980, he's not doing any kind of dog whistle politics. so he's basically talking about his intolerance, even when he supposedly is reaching out to african-americans because he sets -- >> i understand. listen, he has been eviscerated by many on not -- just had a guest on yesterday saying he's not talking with, he's talking to, and it is not authentic. but i mean the fact is, he's going to detroit. he is going to a black church. he is speaking with a very prominent reverend there who, by the way, says this is not an endorsement. do you give the man any credit for finally doing this? >> no, i don't. because when you think about reaching out to black voters, you need to have policies and you need to have a record or at least a framework of what you are trying to do. >> he says he'll create jobs. he says he'll improve the economy. he'll make it safer for you to walk down the streets. that's what trump would say. >> yeah, but brooke, he sets up this dystopian of the black community as if there is no variation in socioeconomic income, neighborhoods we live in. not all black people live in safe neighborhoods. even those who live in highly seg dayed neighborhoods below the poverty line create something called community. these are not ghettos. he's created these stereotypes. i would argue with you that it is not about reaching out to black voters. he's signaling to white voters two different things. to moderate white voters is he trying to signal that he's racially toll ranlt. but to some of his core racially intolerant voters, he's actually giving them red meat to inspire them to come out in november because he's setting up this dystopian landscape. it is a post apocalyptic african-american community where they're all killing each other and he's telling them, you don't have anything to lose, you should vote for me. this is, like i said, worst than reagan in 1980, it is worse than nixon in 1968. it is a complete and utter lack of respect for black people as human beings, away from ideology. he doesn't respect us at human beings. >> hillary clinton points out that view as well. but final question, too. i speak to incredibly smart people on the show. >> i think that the black lives matter movement has pushed hillary in to a -- she's had her "come to jesus" moment like paul on the road to damascus, that there's institutional racism and she said it at the national democratic convention. john f. kennedy had a "come to jesus" moment in 1963. li presidents can learn and they evolve. president barack obama evolved on the issue of gay marriage. i think hillary clinton right now has articulated she's evolved and we have to see, if she is elected president, what her policies will be on behalf of the african-american community. >> professor, nice to see you again. thank you for your voice. thank you for your voice. we are following breaking news. a top isis leader reportedly killed in an air strikes. a live report when we come back. the oil companies pollute our air. putting their... ...profits ahead of our kids' health. now they're trying to weaken california's clean air laws. i'm tom steyer. we've had a million kids get asthma. we need to send the oil companies a message. tell your legislator to stand up to the oil companies and protect our clean air laws. don't let the oil companies put their profits... ...ahead of our kids. just in to cnn -- one of isis' top leaders and the group's official spokesman has reportedly been killed. let's bring in our senior international correspondent, nick paton walsh, live for us in nearby turkey. just to underscore this, reading a tweet from graham wood who's written extensively on isis saying, "easily the most important kill in the history of the islamic state." this is huge. >> reporter: this is an extraordinary moment in the fight against isis, absolutely. abu mohammed al adnani with being to many the more public face of isis' campaign against many muslims here living in this region, killed by two different sources, it seems. firstly, isis' affiliated agency announcing his martyrdom, disdeath while inspecting military operations in aleppo, followed by what appears to be a statement from isis themselves on their traditional, you might say, red masked note paper in which they, too, accept that he has died. i should point out we don't have any independent evidence of his death. we haven't heard from the pentagon if they are perhaps somehow involved in this. but we do have this remarkable moment in which isis have chosen to step forward and say that one of their most high-profile figures is dead. this leaves perhaps al baghdadi the next person high on the kill list for the united states. but this man was the spokesperson to some degree. he spoke when baghdadi didn't. he was man who devised a remarkably, fair to say, successful killing, brutal, ghastly media enterprise which used high-definition media video often of executions be with of brutality, to entice recruits. and most importantly to those sitting at home, this is the man who inspired recruits to go off and attack the west. and he did it in a particularly chilling fashion, perhaps perverting the idea of the lone wolf terrorist. he basically said you don't even have to speak to us in isis. if you want to go and do something revoting, crazy, kill the infidel, just go do it and we'll back you in the afterlife, or whatever. it does appear at this stage, unless for some reason isis' most affiliated, and this statement is a fake, unless we are living in a very confused world here, it does appear they have announced his death at this particular point. that's a very rare circumstance to be in. you must be wondering, too, what brings isis to admit this high-level kind of casualty we might say as the person in charge of their media operations is now dead and perhaps they are struggling. but it comes after a very difficult chapter in their history here. they are under pressure near where i am standing, he is supposed to have died near about an hour's drive from where i am standing. about but they're under pressure around the turk irk border to get more recruits and frankly in most of the territory they've held. this is a bad few months for them. this is remarkable news, the most high-profile death grafran, death, in their leadership that we have seen. >> nick paton walsh, thank you for underscoring how significant this is. i'm sure our folks at the pentagon are working to get a reaction from officials there. thank you so much. we have much more on that coming up here. this 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call to learn more. switch to liberty mutual and you could save up to $509. call liberty mutual for a free quote today at liberty stands with you™. liberty mutual insurance. sources are now telling cnn the fbi has uncovered evidence that criminal hackers have infiltrated are state election databases both in arizona and illinois, potentially exposing the personal information of hundreds of thousands of voters. investigators say what they're likely after is names, addresses, driver's licenses, partial social security numbers. a law enforcement official saying top suspects are most likely based overseas and that attack comes on the heels of the suspected russian hack of the democratic national committee's e-mail system. joining me now, the director at technology solutions for raa, a cyber security firm. jim sciutto is with us from washington, our cnn chief national security correspondent. rob, let me begin with you here. i know voters' ears are perked when they hear the hackers and stealing their personal information. the question is how much of their personal information could have been compromised and what about actual votes as well, which then leads to concerns about november 8th. >> right. so, brooke, i think what we are seeing here is that these databases are used by the states to maintain their voter registration records. the type of information would be name, it would be their party affiliation, and other potentially their date of birth and other information that the state would use to help them register to vote. and it may also have additional information like where they vote, their polling place and some other additional information there. so, this information is generally a matter of public record. so in and of itself, it is not necessarily that damaging when it gets out. but, when you take this information and combine it with other information -- because as we have seen, hackers and cyber criminals, what they'll often do is build profiles on individuals. the more of a profile they have, the more convincing they can be to commit fraud, or other type of dangerous activity about this individual. so that's why they should be concerned. >> okay. i'm going to loop back with you because i still have my question about election day. but jim sciutto to you, senate minority leader harry reid has officially apparently asked the fbi to investigate evidence suggesting that russia is trying to manipulate voting results. if in fact -- if that's true, what sort of precedent is there for something like this? >> brooke, no precedent in u.s. presidential elections. i really don't think we can underestimate haw big a potential deal this is. first of all, harry reid is raising his hands here and he says in so many words that the public doesn't know how extensive this threat is. here's a guy who is going to get classified briefings on exactly how extensive it is. two, as you note, he is not just talking about infiltrating or stealing some data from these rolls, but the possible intention of influencing or changing election results. >> the election! yeah. >> the thing is, you have two possibilities here. one, you could conceivably do that. we know russia has enormous cyber attack capabilities. two, even if you don't do that, just by sewing doubt in the results, you potentially cause instability. of course it happens at a time when you have a major presidential candidate mentioning the same thing to his supporters, questioning the legitimacy of the election in advance saying, in effect, that if he loses certain states, that cheating must have occurred. that potential is really an ominous one and something that we got to watch very closely. i know for a fact that u.s. officials are watching very closely. >> how feasible, given the way jim splaexplained how totally unprecedented would be, rob, last question to you, in the sophistication level of technology these days, that somebody could happen november 8th? >> well, i think that certainly we've seen through the hacks of the dnc and here that there are outside forces and outside actors that are definitely interested in influencing these type of proceedings. i think we should spent to see continued attempts to compromise these type of systems. now in terms of influencing votes, typically those systems are kept offline, there's checks and balances, there's good checks on the security. but i think jim's point is very well-taken. undermining the confidence in the system, that people don't feel that their data is safe, that they feel the integrity of the system is somehow compromised, can throw doubts into that -- into the authenticity of some of the results potentially. i think that's really what we have to be concerned about and place more attention on monitoring for these type of attacks so that we can prevent them from happening and undermining some of this confidence. >> yep. rob and jim, thank you both so much. coming up next, we continue to follow the breaking news here. we are hearing this top isis official, the terror group's spokesman, has reported by been killed. huge. huge deal. we'll be right back. our heart l megared omega-3s... but did you know your eyes, your brain, and your joints really love them too? introducing megared advanced 4in1... just one softgel delivers mega support. welcome back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. outrage continues as nfl quarterback colin kaepernick refuses to back down from his protest against police brutality. he's sitting out during the national anthem, now you have politicians speaking out. the white house weighing in calling him decision "objectionable." donald trump weighing in as well saying this. >> well, i have been following it and i think it personally is not a good thing. i think it is a terrible thing. you know, maybe he should find a country that works better for him. let him try. it won't happen. >> with me now, morgan jerkins, a writer for "rolling stone" who supports kaepernick. thank you so much for swinging by. i thought your piece was really thought provoking. i thought the crux of your me message is it is a double standards with black athletes protesting. for example, gabby douglas at the olympics. >> yes. first, thank you for having pea. i think we need to talk about this double standard for black athletes. understand they are not just here for ernt tabmentertainment. i think especially when we look at male blackate leelt athletes. we forget once they go off the field they are still a black man and they are still subjected to racial profiling. i think that's what inspired colin to sit down and not stand up for the national anthem. so that's the thing i think is interesting about it. >> you were pointing out gabby douglas didn't put her hand over her heart but you pointed out some white shot putters didn't either and no flap was raised. you think that's because of the color of their skin? >> i think that's a huge part of it. as i mentioned in my "rolling stone" article that being white in this country is intrinsically considered american. i think when gabby douglas decided to put her hand over her heart, whether or not it was an intentional decision, there was so much outrage that she had to apologize for. whereas these white shot putters had their hands by their size and no one said a thing. >> there is a piece of this, too, i think we are showcasing on cnn.com which the third verse of the national anthem. if i may, let me just read this for everyone. "and where is that band who so vauntingly swore that the havoc of war and battles of confusion their home and country should leave us no more. their home is washed out, their house splugs, no rescue could slave from the terrors and plight of the grave. it goes on. i don't think a lot of people know about this piece. we only sing the first verse. >> right. and i think that's sort of demonstrates -- >> what does it mean for you? >> it was gob-smacking for me because i just found out about this a couple days ago. it demonstrates a lot of cognitive dissonance a lot off african-americans face when we talk about american ideals and freedom and prosperity and equality where we have to also think about reality. sometimes when we think about our systemic oppression and racial profiling and police brutality, that sort of undermines the american ideals that were set forth. >> i had a marine on my set yesterday who fought for this country in iraq. he said wear a t-shirt, give money to your location ol ywca. don't sit down. >> i saw that. but as i mentioned in my arti e article, we have to think about threats abroad. there are many marginalized communities in this country who feel like they are being terrorized by law enforcement. that's what i was trying to get out. >> okay. morgan jerkins, thank you for your perspective. appreciate it. next, he was a radicalized extremist who recruited for al qaeda. >> we're commanded to terrorize the disbelievers. this is a religion. >> you're commanded to terrorize -- >> the koran says very clearly in arabic language -- it means terrorize them. >> seven years later he has a new outlook on life, has a job at a top university and says he is ashamed at what he did. some are asking can he be trusted? his one-on-one interview with cnn -- next. one american university has decided there is no better expert on terrorism than a former terrorist. george washington university's just hired a former islamist extremist, a man known as one of the most prolific recruiters for al qaeda to work at its center on homeland security. cnn's elizabeth cohen has his story. where this u.s. citizen was once a radicalized extremist. >> i went to prison for prop gan diesing on behalf of a terrorist organization. >> reporter: he recruited people to join al qaeda. >> it became a call to go out on to your back porch and just start killing civilians. >> reporter: we couldn't tell you then what we can tell you now. his name is jesse morton. and he has a new job as a research fellow at george washington university center for cyber and homeland security where he'll be doing research and writing but not teaching. so what can you, given your background, contribute to this program? >> well, i mean i have a background in radicalizing others. i understand the mentality, i understand also what attracts people to the ideology. i also understand how to counter that as a result. >> reporter: the hope -- is that morton can stop others from becoming extremists. but, can he be trusted? take a look at this story from cnn's drew griffin nearly seven years ago when morton called himself by another name. >> we're commandeded to terrorize -- >> you're commanded to terrorize? >> the koran says very clearly in arabic language "terrorize them." it is a command from mullah. >> reporter: we showed this to someone who knew him. >> that's not who jesse was then. he has reformed. he's changed. >> do you trust him? >> yes. we did our due diligence. i used to be at the intelligence community. i called my old colleagues. i talked to the fbi who he's been working with for the last year. >> you are an expert in extremists. but does he know something that you don't? >> it is one thing to read a book. it is another thing to understand it. >> can you understand why people would say i don't know why george washington would hire this guy? >> i understand their concerns. >> is that the same man i am looking at now? >> no, that is an ignorant man. that's a man who has been brainwashed. >> how does that make you feel now? >> regretful and like i want to deter others from adopting that position. >> reporter: jesse morton was a choir boy at his grandmother's baptist church, born in pennsylvania. but he came from an abusive household and was in and out of jail on various charges. he co-founded a group called revolution muslim in 2008. and he maintained those views while earning a masters degree at international affairs from columbia university in 2009. at revolution muslim, he encouraged others to engage in violent jihad, according to the u.s. attorney's office. in 2012 morton was sentenced to 11 years in federal prison for threatening the creators of the tv show "south park" which depicted the proeft muhammad in a bear suit. he was released in three years. he later cooperated with the fbi be in several high-profile cases affiliated with george washington university. >> i was viewed as a demon. >> reporter: he said his deradicalization began when one fbi agent saw him differently. >> i had interaction with a fabulous female agent that over time it became apparent to me that she was a human being. all she cared about was protecting the public. she really was like a good family person. she loved her country and she was just -- it wasn't a manipulation as far as i saw it. and so i opened up. i was rehumanized by my interactions with someone i once thought to be my enemy. >> reporter: morton said he hopes the american public will come do believe him and ideally forgive him. >> i imagine some people would say why should we believe this man? he was a voice for hate. and a voice for violence. why should we believe him that he's changed? >> i'll just have to prove myself and deal with the questions that come as i go. i have an enormous amount of guilty and regret. this is an opportunity for me to make amends to some degree. >> have you forgiven yourself? >> i think, yes, i have seen things that people have done and to know that i once sort of sympathized and supported that view, it sickens me. >> reporter: elizabeth cohen, cnn, washington. breaking news here on cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. on terror here, one of isis' top leaders and the group's official spokesman has reportedly been killed. let me bring in a number really important voices on this with cnn's international diplomatic editor, nic robertson. i have cnn's national security correspondent, chief national security correspondent, jim sciutto. and graham wood from "the atlantic" who wrote one of the foremost essays on the evolution of isis enkititled "whatitis really wants." nic robertson, to you. who was this person? i understand he was just one step away from the leader, al baghdadi. if baghdadi would be killed, he would be the leader of isis. >> he was the mouthpiece of isis. he said things like "if you can't shoot them, then stab them." "if you can't stab them, then crush their heads with rocks. if you can't do that, then drive your cars, your vehicles, to kill them." it is a very easy connection between statements like that and what we saw that isis inspired terrorist do in nice just last month. of course he said many more things to try to rouse people and draw them to isis and cause attacks in europe and other places. but this is a man 39 years old, had been with isis from the ground-up, close to baghdadi, potentially met him in the u.s. detention facility in the south of iraq. he was fighting for al qaeda in iraq against u.s. forces between 2005-2010. so this is a man who's grown with the organization from the ground up, who's known and has baghdadi isis' leaders trust. he's a man who tried to maximize every opportunity to instill fear in syria, in iraq and in the international community, and send fighters overseas to attack in places like france. >> and, jim sciutto, it is unprecedented how the news has come to us. this is from isis themselves. the isis news agency announcing what? his martyrdom? >> well, the irony here would be isis announcing a blow to its own organization, because he would be a significant loss. just to echo nic's point, certainly a mouthpiece for the organization behind these -- the advertisement, in effect, of isis' most brutal killings, beheadings, et cetera. but also an operational role. this was a man with a key role in dispatching isis fighters in to the west to carry out acts of terrorism. so his death, if it is confirmed -- it's not confirmed yet by the u.s., or others. but if it is confirmed, it would be a blow to the organization. i should just say that the u.s. has seen the reports. i've spoken to the pentagon. they say they don't have anything hard to confirm this yet. i'd also note that the u.s. warplanes were not operating in that area of aleppo, to our knowledge, where he was killed. so if he was killed, it is unlikely -- at least at this point, based on what we know -- it was the result of a u.s. air strikes. but again, if this is confirmed in the end, it would be a loss to the organization. >> graham wood, we've talked many times about isis and all of your research, and to nic's point, he was the mouthpiece, he was the one who said if you can't stab, crush their heads and it was all to inspire those in the u.s. to join and to fight and to kill. this is a huge, huge deal. >> yes, very, very big. his official title was spokesman but he was much, much more than a mouthpiece, much more than a press secretary. he was a strategic leader of the organization and especially when it comes to attacks on the west. he was the person who we now think was coordinating those attacks, planning them, was dispatching attackers to places like france, germany and the united states, and who all the other people who are being inspired by isis, he was the person they were listening to. he was the person they were looking to. so to have that voice destroyed is a serious blow to the organization. probably the most significant kill that the enemies of the islamic state have perpetrated on it since its declaration of the caliphate. >> wow. the news on an isis leader from isis, a jim pointed out, we are waiting for official word from the u.s. government. for now, graham, nic and jim, thank you all so much. back to news in the race for the president. a new cnn interview with donald trump jr., the day before his final's big speech on immigration in houston, donald junior stressing his father is not softening on his plans which will include deportations. he spoke with anderson cooper a little while ago. >> he wasn't softening on anything. he didn't change his stance on anything. what he did was and what he's done all along is he's speaking with the people. he's not lecturing them like most of the politicians. he's actually having a conversation. he basically surveyed the room and said, hey, what are your thoughts on this? because i want to take into account what the people say unlike our opponent who apparently only take into account those who contribute millions and millions to her campaign. he's having obviously a conversation with the people. he's giving an opinion. the media will run with it however they want. i was in the room. >> it did seem to some viewers though who we talked to that it seemed like he's polling the room, he's not quite sure what his own policy is. >> he was asking for an opinion. his policy has been the same for the last six, seven -- >> he still says deport. they all got to go. >> that's been the same, correct. but again you have to start with baby steps. let i.c.e. do their job. eliminate sanctuary cities. get rid of the criminals. first and foremost, secure the border. these are common sense things. let's chew over this one limit sound bite we got from a.c. with david chalian, cnn's political director -- and cnn's chief political correspondent, dana bash. words like not softening and baby steps, but cut through it. >> i think baby steps is the key headline there actually. that was really the preview, brooke, of what we are going to hear tomorrow which is that trump's orbit seems to be indicating he is going to do this piecemeal. he is not going to try it to wholesale take care of the immigration problem in one fell swoop. he is going to focus on border security first, employment verification systems, pieces that he can sort of put under the law and order umbrella and the larger problem, which is a huge component of the immigration conundrum -- what to do with the non-criminal undocumented population here. it seems what we are hearing here, that's not going to be the focus anymore despite from what we heard from him in the nomination season. >> dana? >> yeah, i mean that's exactly right. i feel like we could be having -- can't believe i'm saying this -- back in 2008 in and around the john mccain campaign. not that they had the same position, but they had the same tactic at various points, which is forget the controversial stuff, let's talk about the issues, where everybody agrees. the things you just heard from don junior, border security, e-verify and down the list, and not talk about the most explosive, most divisive issue and the hardest and perhaps most important issue but certainly the toughest which is those 11 million or so undocumented immigrants in this country. i can tell you that the new team in trump tower believes that deportation force was an unfortunate term. it certainly conjures up images that is not good for donald trump for the general electorate. maybe it worked in the primary but not the general electorate. that is gone. we're not going to hear that anymore. at least not on purpose. but beyond just the rhetoric is the policy. are we going to hear about what to do about them. i think david is right, the answer is probably no specifics on that. >> we will hear him speak tomorrow in phoenix. we'll talk about it tomorrow after the fact. we'll ask both of you to stick around. side note -- please tune in cnn tonight 8:00, watch anderson's interview tonight with donald junior. more on breaking news involving the hillary clinton e-mails investigation. we have learned today that the fbi will release its report to the public about why they are not pursuing charges. and also, we have some new insight about how these two are preparing for the first debate. could alec baldwin, could jon stewart be tapped to play donald trump in mock debates? 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>> she's reading a lot. she is a voracious reader and she's reading a lot of books about what donald trump's said, what he hasn't said. she's also watching a fair bit of tv, i'm told, some highlights of donald trump's greatest hits, if you will, from his debate performances, what got under his skin in particular. they are looking at some exchanges with ted cruz. we all remember how fiery those were back in the day. she's also talking to a lot of authors, people who have written a lot about donald trump and study donald trump. i'm told by a top campaign advisors that offers are just coming in through the door like crazy of people here in new york who want to offer to try and be helpful to offer a window into donald trump. of course he's been such a public figure here for so long, everyone has some advice about how they think he should go after this. but mainly she is focusing on what donald trump has said. look, we're seeing some of this play out in real time, what this is going to be about. "the new york times" today, their editorial page said the clinton foundation -- she should cut ties with the clinton foundation now. not after the election. donald trump put out a statement saying "the new york times" is right on this. expect that to come up during the debate. this will not be a whole set of new issues. we see these issues day by day by day. the best ones, the top ones, will come out on september 26th. it is going to be one of the most anticipated debates of all time. >> jeff zeleny, thank you. david and dana have been standing by. so on the debates and what jeff was just reporting here, talking also "the new york times" earlier today, they were saying for the clinton -- we'll get to trump in a second but the clinton team is saying to her, okay, yes, read, read, read, but maybe not a total policy wonk, it is more about needling donald trump and finding those sort of personal vulnerabilities. >> yeah, for sure about donald trump. all you have to do is look at kind of the bare bones of all of the primaries on the republican side to see what gets under his skin. but my impression is, although that's important, it is also about her. she has the most to lose here because, at least today, she is up in most polls. it's knowing the policy, which she knows probably inside outalready before she reads any book. much more important for her is the human side that everybody who knows hillary clinton says is there. but that it just kind of goes away when the cameras come on. that is going to be a big part of what she is working on trying to get out and sort of a sidebar to that is the honest and trustworthy number which is still really problematic for her. >> which is something, david chalian, i'm sure donald trump wants to take her on and highlight that trust issue. >> one of the things i'm so eager to see when we get to hofstra for the day of the debate, niece two people are so different. now we are learning how differently they are preparing for the debate. i wonder if they are going to be in the same universe on that debate stage. are they actually going to be engaged in a debate with each other or are each of them sort of side by side going to be in this monologue mode of delivering their version of the debate. i'm not sure where the two will meet. because they are just so different. >> i totally agree, but i bet hillary clinton is going to make sure that they are in the same universe, or at least that she is in his universe because that probably only benefits her. but one thing that i am looking for -- just based on conversations with people who are in touch with trump world -- is whether donald trump is going to start arguing that a one-on-one debate is not fair and that gary johnson, the libertarian candidate, jill stein, green party candidate who by debate commission standards right now doesn't look like they're going to meet the criteria -- david, correct me if i'm wrong -- an average of 15% in a certain number of polls leading up to the debate. but my impression in talking to some people who are kind of talking to him is that there is more and more thinking that maybe a good argument for him might be that's not fair and that they are on -- gary johnson's on ballots in all the states. jill stein on not all but a fair number, whether or not that will be something you're going to har from h hear from him. why? he hasn't had a one-on-one debate. and a one-on-one debate between him and hillary clinton is going to be high pressure and it certainly defuses if you have more than those two on the stage. >> we're now to the stage where the debate over the debate is going to be the discussion. this may be a trump campaign tactic. people very familiar with the commission on presidential debates thinking about this, they're pretty tied to their rule of the 15% that dana just talked to. i don't know that a public campaign by donald trump to try to get others in the debate will generate lot of news headlines and conversation. but i don't know at the end of the day the commission will be feeling the heat to alter their rules. >> my biggest take away, is will they both be in the same universe on that stage. >> i just want to be in david chalian's universe. >> every day. every day. we all -- things we wish for. thank you two very much. coming up next here, senator john mccain and what he has called the fight of his political life. voters at the polls today in arizona. we'll take you live to phoenix to discuss whether senator mccain's strained relationship with donald trump will help or hurt him and what he could say come tomorrow night. see me. see me. don't stare at me. see me. see me. see me to know that psoriasis is just something that i have. i'm not contagious. see me to know that... ...i won't stop until i find what works. discover cosentyx, a different kind of medicine for moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. proven to help the majority of people find clear or almost clear skin. 8 out of 10 people saw 75% skin clearance at 3 months. while the majority saw 90% clearance. do not use if you are allergic to cosentyx. before starting, you should be tested for tuberculosis. an increased risk of infections and lowered ability to fight them may occur... ...tell your doctor if you have an infection or symptoms... ...such as fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough. or if you have received a vaccine or plan to. if you have inflammatory bowel disease, tell your doctor if symptoms develop or worsen. serious allergic reactions may occur. see me. see me. see me. on my way. find clear skin... and a clearer path forward. for a different kind of medicine, ask your dermatologist about cosentyx. don't put off checking out your medicare options until 65. now is a good time to get the ball rolling. medicare only covers about eighty percent of part b medical costs. the rest is up to you. that's where aarp medicare supplement insurance plans insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company come in. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, they could help save you in out-of-pocket medical costs. taking informed steps really makes a difference later. that's what it means to go long™. call now and request this free decision guide and explore the range of aarp medicare supplement plans. all plans like these let you choose any doctor or hospital that accepts medicare patients. these are the only medicare supplement insurance plans endorsed by aarp. call now and request your free decision guide... and start gathering the information you need to help you go long™. welcome back. you're watching cnn. i'm brooke baldwin. one of the most respected figures in the republican party facing a tough task to hold on to the senate seat he's held for 30 years. hours from now we should know whether john mccain survived a primary test in arizona. dr. kelly ward has tried to make an issue of senator mccain's age. he turned 80 yesterday. like so many other republicans, senator mccain's quest for re-election is complicated by donald trump. he once questioned mccain's status as a respected war hero before coming around to endorse him. >> he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people that weren't captured. okay? 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>> colin kaepernick has always been a very opinionated kid. he was athe doed by these terrific white couple out of milwaukee, they moved to california. but they went out of their way to make sure he knew what his race was and connect him to the culture. for instance, he said when he was a teenager he wanted to get his hair corn rowed. so his mother, every month, would drive him about an hour and 15 minutes to a black community where they could corn row his hair. i remember once he gave an interview in i with he said he would show up with his parents somewhere and the person behind the counter would be great to his parents, the white people, then look at him and say, what do you want? he always felt like he was being discriminated against then. but some thing's changed with him in the last year. his twitter feed has gotten much more radical. i think he looks skinnier. of course his numbers are falling like a fat guy on a water slide. they just keep going down and down. i don't know if this is his last hurrah or entry that politics. when you are on a team and start talking about politics wearing the uniform, are you in trouble. if i start talking politics at my dinner table, there is going to be conflict. guys on the team do not like this. this is not what you want right before you go out on the field. >> but rick, it is so interesting. i've talked to profession am athletes. i think there is even more pressure for some of these younger players. during the black lives matter protests and when is that was in the ether. you look for these young men, many of them young, to be these heroes and these role models. it is only when somebody disagrees with what they're doing do they say it is not okay. >> brooke, i'm amazed that he had the courage to do this. >> you are. >> his heart's in the right place but his brain is completely in the wrong place. this is not going to work. i've been listening to talk radio for two days and no one's talking about police brutality. no one's talking about what it is like for a young black guy to see young black men being shot for reaching for their driver's license. he has every right -- i think he has a great point about police brutality in the country. but you are a quarterback. you can do this in so many ways. steve nash, the basketball player, used to wear t-shirts or a hat. put signs in your locker. you give interviews. for instance, the black community could also learn how to deal with cops. stuart scott was a great friend of mine. he said when he was pulled over simply for driving by being black, ep said he put his mom on the phone, he turned on the dome light, he put his hands on the steering wheel, and he would say, officer, my hands are on the steering wheel. i am not going to do anything until you say i can. there's got to be kind of give and take from both sides, the cops and the black community, to try to get past this problem. >> what about -- i know you've interviewed him and you've wrote about him after he passed, muhammad ali. rick, people are pointing out parallels to colin to muhammad ali, to jackie robinson. do you think those comparisons are going too far? >> that's a tad far. during the '68 olympics in mexico, the raised fist on the podium. 99% of people said that was wrong. that turned out to be a very seminole moment in the problem of race relations in this country. by the way, there are now stat tuesday of those two guys holding up their hands. there is not going to be a statue of colin kaepernick sitting on the bench during the anthem. but i do think he has the right and he has a good point about black lives and police brutality in this country. the other day at the espyss, carmelo anthony, dwayne wane and chr stood up and said, african-americans athletes, it is time for you to do something. rather than a kid sitting down, trying to do something, i just think he picked the wrong place to do it. >> rick reilly, thank you. thanks for mentioning stuart scott. coming up here on cnn, my next guest says if donald trump wins the without he might just hate it and he has seven reasons as to why. we'll talk with a former executive in the bush, clinton and obama administrations about life as commander in chief. also ahead as we watch our breaking news here, the official spokesman for isis killed in syria. he is described as a high-profile target who helped orchestrate terror attacks, especially inspiring those in the west. more on him straight ahead. if ynow's the time to get your ducks in a row. to learn about medicare, and the options you have. you see, medicare doesn't cover everything - only about 80% of your part b medical expenses. the rest is up to you. so if 65 is around the corner, think about an aarp medicare supplement insurance plan, insured by unitedhealthcare insurance company. like all standardized medicare supplement insurance plans, they help cover some of what medicare doesn't pay. and could save you in out-of-pocket medical costs. so don't wait. call to request your free decision guide. and gather the information now to help you choose a plan later. these types of plans let you pick any doctor or hospital that takes medicare patients. and there's a range of plans to choose from, depending on you needs and your budget. so if you're turning 65 soon, call now and get started. because the time to think about tomorrow...is today. go long. a former high-level executive in the bush, clinton and obama administrations says if donald trump wins the white house, he'll hate it. and he has seven reasons as to why. the author of that list, howard schweitzer, joins me now. also with us, cnn political commentator and trump supporter, scottie knell hughes. howard, this is the first thing this morning i read. give me your top two reasons why you think dwurm would haonald t hate his time in the oval office? >> at the top is the bureaucracy. it is excruciating. you can't hire and fire people at will. some of the rhetoric in the campaign has suggested you can, but the fact is you can't. then congress. they control a lot of the agenda and they'll be crawling all over a president trump. so, brooke, those two reasons are at the top of my list. >> i also kind of enjoyed reading -- i say this tongue in cheek -- about being bored. you said he might be bored if elected. what do you think? >> i think he's correct. i read this. i don't know necessarily about hating it. he will hate the bureaucracy. his two top reasons were the exact reasons donald trump will hate it. but he won't be board. he's going to be like miley cyrus and coming in like a wrecking ball and just destroy everything that's been built up. he's already laid out that first hundred days. he has this very ambitious plan from everything from appealing obamacare to appointing supreme court judges to building a wall, at least getting a design, to trait policies. i don't think he will be bored until at least year two or year three until he's solved all the problems of the world. he's going to be that efficient. >> howard, as i try to find which number the boredom was, why do you think he would be bored? did i read something about a short attention span? >> he goes from topic to topic. government is a cruise ship, not a speedboat. you can't come in with a wre wrecking ball and just turn everything upside down. you need a skap pacalpel, not a sledgehammer, to reform government. it is incredibly admirable what he's been able to do with the electorate up to this point. but now he is in a job interview, he is trying to get elected president of the united states. he's got to show people that he wants this thing. he's got to show people that he's going to be into every aspect of the job. >> let me flip the script. i think what could apply to her is being investigated. that could be an issue. also congress as well. don't you think? >> definitely. this goes both ways. i think, look, she's easily beatable. she's the most beatable candidate other than trump i think we've seen in a very long time. and, frankly, if there was anybody on the other side of the aisle right now i think they would be way ahead. but he's not and i think we have to ask ourselves why. on the why point, i think part of the reason is he's not showing a desire to actually do what's necessary to get the job done. >> i don't think anybody in america today thinks that washington needs to stay exactly the way it is. reason why bernie sanders was able to such such enthusiasm behind him and now donald trump is because they don't like the inefficiencies that are going on right now. they don't like incompetency and that's what washington, d.c. stands for. i think actually going in and having this idea of -- i agree working with congress is going to be a disaster for him because he is going to say, listen, american people brought me in here to make things start working again. we've done nothing these last eight years except just build more government. let's bring it back to the people. i think that's what's going to make it an exciting time for america. >> quickly as i listen to both of you, howard, you know a thing or two how this goes. prediction time. what does that first presidential debate look like? 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>> yes, one man had travelled for months, and he was horrified when he saw it but he was forced at gunpoint to get on the boat. he was, i spoke with him last week, he was taken to a migrant processing center in italy and now he is waiting at a makeshift camp on the italian/swiss border. he wants to make it to france where his brother lives, but who knows, all of the countries have started shutting down their borders and gotten strict with who their allowing in. all of the stories, all of the faces, i encourage everyone to go read this phenomenal piece of journalism. thank you as us for coming on and sharing what you have done. >> thank you all for being with me. we'll send it to washington now for "the lead" with jake tapper starting right now. thank you, a top isis terrorist is dead. breaking news, isis says that a key leader, the public face, is dead. >> more racial charges, a key trump backer, now apologizing for bringing black face into the race. >> plus he sat out the olympic games at the height of racial tensions in the '60s. now kareem abdul jabbar is
hillary clinton to serve as president. >> she's always been there. >> i'm asking you to join me. select hillary clinton as the next president of the united states! >> hello, everyone, i'm john berman. >> hello, i'm kate bolduan live from the convention in philadelphia and this is the fourth and final day of this convention, the day hillary clinton takes the baton handed to her last night by president obama. oh, you missed it, you say. here is a dramatic re-enactment. now here's the real thing. >> and that's why i can say with confidence there has never been a man or a woman, not me, not bill, nobody more qualified than hillary clinton to serve as president of the united states of america. >> this sets the stage for tonight and what could be the biggest speech of hillary clinton's long political career. >> tonight, the fourth night of the convention in the city of rocky and the spirit of rocky 4, hillary clinton will enter the ring and tell donald trump i must break you. let's go to cnn white house correspondent michelle kosinski inside the convention hall in the midst of what have been some big speeches. >> oh, i thought i was just -- put that in there. >> nicely done. >> just when you thought you got that out of your head, right? i mean, this was a big speech. even just -- when you consider all that was in there, it's something that president obama worked on for weeks. it was just packed with so many phrases that are likely to live in sound bite eternity. things like "the american dream isn't thing that can be contained by building a wall." as you might imagine, as that phrase was, he really took this opportunity to tear into donald trump and run with it. using his name. listen, here's part of it. >> he's selling the american people short. we're not a fragile people. we're not a frightful people. our power doesn't come from some self-declared savior promising that he alone can restore order as long as we do things his way. we don't look to be ruled. >> so this wasn't just a big contrast between what he called the qualifications of hillary clinton and the disqualifications of donald trump. at one point, he said it was dangerous to national security. it was also a contrast between what he sees is the deeply pessimistic message and the message here he tried to keep optimistic. so hillary clinton is in the enviable and unenviable position of having to wrap all of this up into one powerful speech. we also know she's been working on this for weeks. even today, she was expected to be finishing, really putting the finishing touches on it. so what do we expect her to say? well what her campaign has offered is that she's going to talk about her values. really hammer home the stronger together phrase that she's been using. draw on points from her book "it takes a village," so unity of course is the theme. that's not saying a whole lot. that's not a lot of detail that we wouldn't have already expected. when you look at what bill clinton said the other night, really looking at hillary clinton's life, how she's helped people along the way. her personal stories. she's likely to do something similar to really, you know, get that across to people watching across america, that she understands their problems, and that she's working for them, because that is what she has been doing. back to you guys. >> michelle kosinski inside the hall where it all happens tonight. >> winning the day, michelle kosinski. joining us, christine quinn, police call commentate, the former speaker of the new york city council and hillary clinton supporter. republican congressman lee zeld n of new york, trump supporter. and also, "new york times" political correspondent nick healy. and bill press, who i would say is, still is, a bernie sanders supporter. he can clear it up if need be. bill press, you and barack obama have not always been on the same page. john berman remembered this morning you actually wrote a book about president obama called "buyer's remorse, how president obama let progressives down." did president obama let you down last night? >> i still am a bernie sanders supporter. there's still hope, you know, until 11:00 tonight, right? >> god bless you, bill. >> no, president obama did not let me down. you know, there's a contest i think now as to what is the greatest barack obama speech that we've heard. there are a lot of them, right. a speech here in philadelphia, in constitution hall, whether he talked about racism during the campaign, charleston, newtown, connecticut. what i loved about it is, you know, his message was like maybe you don't trust hillary, but i didn't either in the beginning but now i've seen her, i've worked with her, and she is great, ready to lead, and this other guy is not, and the other thing liked is he shredded donald trump but he didn't do it -- he wasn't mean, he wasn't ugly, he remained positive while he was destroying donald trump. i thought that was a real coup. >> he called donald trump a homegrown demagogue. >> that's not nice, bill. >> some noted that he almost sneered at the concept of donald trump when he was doing it. christine quinn if you're sneering at donald trump calling him a demagogue, are you essentially saying -- now, i understand reaching out to independents and a broad bunch of republicans who may be disaffected and are available, but does that close the door on trump supporters? if you're saying you're supporting a demagogue? you probably can't win them over at this point. >> look, never say never. but president obama had to call it like he sees it and like a lot of america sees it. if donald trump didn't want to be called a homegrown demagogue, then why did he say at the republican convention that i can do it all? i don't need anybody, nothing, it's all about me and i'll get it done and of course i'll be great. he set the stage for himself to be called that. it's what he basically said how he sees himself. i think the president hit it totally correctly and gave an amazing, amazing speech. as did joe biden. you got to love joe biden screaming the word malarkey across the arena hall last night. >> google searches for malarkey went up 100 jillion percent. congressman, rich lauery, editor of the national review, last night tweeted this, american exceptional and greatness, shining city on hill, founding documents, et cetera, they're trying to take all our stuff. are you handing it over to the republican, to the democrats? >> no, absolutely not. with the president's speech last night, you know, the ruler peace for example, the reference to ruler. i don't think donald trump is looking to be both the president and congress. and i also don't believe that this president is the best messenger. you're coming right of a u.s. supreme court ruling that his immigration executive order was illegal, after a couple of dozen times, the president said beforehand that he didn't have the authority to do it. you have a federal court ruling that the health care on obamacare, the money that was paid out of the federal treasury, wasn't done with authorization. so i don't think on those couple of points -- the other thing i think is important is that maybe for a lot of people in the room, we're watching at home, who are already supporting hillary clinton, hearing talk about a third term for president obama, that might connect with the people looking for a third term with president obama. and for the people at home watching who aren't looking for a third term of obama, you're not going to get their support, the ones who are very committed to trump. i'll tell you, there are a lot of people -- there are independents, there are all across america who believe we should be going in a different direction than the past eight years. i think the president's speech last night contradicts that motive and that goal. >> but to the independents, was michael bloomberg, i thought he was the most effective -- >> don't move on yet -- >> because i want patrick healy, i want to talk about what the congressman just said right there, because that is a risk the president took last night. he essentially said that things in america are great. and that keep them great for four more years with hillary clinton. if you do not believe they are great right now, does that message go right past you? >> right. they're so twinned right now, they're so together. i think what hillary clinton needs to do. i mean, tonight, is sort of go out there and say, you know, i believe in the progress that we've made. here's how i sort of see that progress but i'm not going to be just another four years of barack obama. you're going to get something different from me. and especially i think on the national security side, going to people who might feel uncomfortable with what obama has done with -- against the islamic state, with keeping america safe, and who look at donald trump and see a whole lot of risks there, a whole lot of kind of loose cannon, shoot from the hips arguments. that's sort of the pocket of voters that she can go at in terms of those national security republicans, those independents, you know, who she can go to. she can draw differences with barack obama. i think a lot of people see her in some ways as kind of more hawkish than obama, as sort of taking a tougher line. >> i'd be pretty surprised if tonight was the night of differentiation and space -- >> i don't think tonight is the night to do it after last night, the baton passoff a. let's talk about biden. using one of his signature phrases. for our viewers, here you go, listen. >> his cynicism is unbounded. his lack of empathy and compassion can be summed up in a phrase i suspect he's most proud of having made famous, "you're fired." i mean, really, i'm not joking, think about that, think about that. think about everything you learned as a child. no matter where you were raised. how can there be pleasure in saying "you're fired"? he's trying to tell us he cares about the middle class. give me a break. that's a bunch of malarkey. >> but with that it sure seems like joe biden is trying to target here one of hillary clinton's weaknesses so far. white working class voters. >> first of all, i'm from delaware. i'm a big biden fan. it made me kind of -- i wish he had run. >> you're still doing if only then. move on, bill, move on. >> i have. what i loved about joe biden's message last night, he also talked to the people, like bloomberg did, outside of that hall, and he talked to them in a language that they speak and they can understand. as he said about donald trump at one point, he doesn't have a clue. right. or give me a break. but i think in terms of he was carrying the message that yes hillary clinton has to reach out to, to independents and middle class americans. he's going to continue to do it effectively. joe biden, that was the best speech of his career, hands down. >> really? >> yes, there are people who are saying it was so good they should have moved it into the prime-time hour instead of the current vice presidential nominee tim kaine who chose a different direction to go in with his speech. he did a comedy routine in parts. let's watch. >> i'd agree with that. >> it's going to be great, believe me. we're going to build a wall and make mexico pay for it, believe me. we're going to destroy isis so fast, believe me. there's nothing suspicious in my tax returns, believe me. >> christine quinn, i speak as someone who makes jokes that no one laughs at. >> a lot. >> a lot. i don't do it when i'm speaking to the country at the democratic national convention. should he have been doing that last night? >> let's all remember the amazing speech he gave when he was announced as her candidate and try to stay in that moment. but sarah silverman had nothing to worry about, nothing to worry about. it was attacks. they tried it. i don't think we'll do it again but, you know, he seemed to be having fun so that's important. >> congressman, do you have any good impressions you're taking on the campaign trail? >> from this week? >> would you like to try some out right now? >> i would say while i was talking about the irony of the president talking about that ruler point to the vice president bringing up the malarkey point, i mean, donald trump has created tens of thousands of jobs. to tim kaine when he talked about the national security piece. there are people at home who are taking this very, very seriously. the national security, the economic growth themes for people, it's their number one issue. for some people, if they pick two issues, it's both of those issues. so what's important for whether you're the president, the vice president of either party, from this point forward, i would strongly recommend that all four of them take these very seriously and don't make light of the fact that for the american people, they're prioritizing defeating isis for many above all else. >> a couple things here. one, joe biden's irish, i'm irish, malarkey is not a joke. it's dead serious, a. b, donald trump has back pedalled that he was joking yesterday. he wasn't joking. so you can't put that in the same category at all. and you want to know the thing with -- i mean, whatever kaine tried and didn't work. the issue here, donald trump and jobs, just today, cnn is putting out a story again showing how he's not employing americans. he's in fact manipulating, taking the immigration system, he wants to make harder, and bringing in workers with a specific focus on pretty young white women. as he's already said if you ain't a 10, he ain't interested, right -- >> congressman -- >> because he's not actually about jobs, he's about himself, everything he does is about how he can make it, make money, bringing in women from other parts -- >> that's not the message -- >> message and reality are different. >> congressman, final thought. >> i like the fact donald trump is actually having a press conference yesterday. hillary clinton hasn't had a press conference since the end of 2015, so what happens -- >> hold on, guys. >> that press conference -- >> bill, hold on -- >> -- where you allow any reporter to ask the question on their mind. if you want to sit donald trump down and have a conversation about it, that's a fair point. by the way, on that fair point, you can also talk about the clintons connections with the clinton foundation, with paid speaking. there's a lot to talk about the russian piece of it. what i do think is great is the fact that we are seeing press conferences and both of them should put themselves for full accountability, full transparency in front of all of you, in front of all the reporters and answer every question -- >> does full transparency include tax returns for donald trump? 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>> well, i think expectations are high, but because of the effect of the polling numbers being so low, she's well positioned to hit that home run. everybody has set her up. this is not a convention of disunity, of fights breaking out. it's a building unity. look at all the surrogates now she's got ready to go out on the stump with great speeches. >> your a demographic expert here. who's the audience tonight? if hillary clinton's talking to one person? >> there are four kinds of voters. people who like hillary and trump. there are none of those. people who like hillary, not trump, about 40%. people who like trump, not hillary, about 40%. people who don't like either, about 20%. she's talking to the 20% that right now doesn't like either candidate and will decide. she gives those people more confidence in her leadership, she will speak up five, six, seven points in this race. >> with that goal in mind, how directly should she take on donald trump tonight? >> i think her taking on donald trump, it's got to be there, but it's less important than the result. what they're really saying is do i like hillary clinton, do i trust her with the presidency of the united states, and she has set up now by the president, by the vice presidential candidate, by the first lady, by the others who spoke, to say yes, i am. >> this is something you looked into, i know, eight years ago, what does hillary clinton or can she do to make people like her? what does it take for her to flip that switch? >> it's not so much about likability about trusting her. she's got to knock that down 10%, 15%, and that will bring this race into a -- >> can she do that in a speech? that's putting a lot of pressure on one speech. >> the power of a single speech. i mean, the audience is going to be huge tonight. it's the second most important probably event remaining. it's the first debate. and these are the two major -- mass events have driven this election from day one. yes, there's a lot of pressure. i think she'll do it. the setup has been tremendous. the better she will be perceived as the leader of a group of leaders. >> are you advising her at all? >> no, i'm not. i am enjoying this convention. i can come on and say my 2 cents. it's been a pleasure to be at this convention because it's been so incredible. >> any idea where her head is right now? >> i think her head is going to be, knowing her, 100%, practicing, is it right, you know, is this right, is this going to work. there are always suggestionings that fly in from everywhere. she doesn't need them. she's ready. >> mark penn, thanks so much. all right, hey, russia, hack hillary clinton's e-mails. no, i'm just kidding. can donald trump get away with that language? 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>> of course he is. what didn't get talked about last night. they talked about donald trump a lot. they didn't talk about isis. they didn't talk about israel. they didn't talk about national security. they didn't talk about the national debt. they talk a lot about donald trump but they don't talk about what the policies and vision is for america right now and i think that's because they represent the status quo. this is the status quo establishment ticket. you have heard a lot of them talking about donald trump. but the fact is, is that they may not like what they heard in cleveland, but when you -- there was a cnn poll that verified this, that the american people actually by 76% did like what they heard. he's talking about what's really happening in this country. the challenges we face both domestically and abroad. >> he's also, president obama was actually the one to name-check president reagan, not donald trump. that's leading some republicans to say they're stealing our best lines. are they? >> no, look, i think by all accounts -- >> where's the optimism? >> right now what the american people want is reality. they are facing challenges at home. they fear for their safety. they fear for their family. that's what i think a lot of people, you know, a lot of politician, a lot of, frankly, people in the media and a lot of pundits just don't get. there's a reason he continues to rise in the polls. it's because he's actually tapping into an understanding of the american people that no would be's getting. >> sean spicer, do you want russia to hack hillary clinton's emaims? >> absolutely not. number one, she said this was -- the e-mails she didn't turn over were about yoga and chelsea's wedding. we find out there's a ton of classified information on there. i think that information, if russia has access to it, hopefully they'll get that to the fbi. mook went on the air and talked about this is a national security problem. it was a national security problem when she installed a secret server and allowed classified information to get put on this. she's the only candidate of the two that has had access to national security information and violated that trust -- >> but take the contents of the e-mail out of it, the mere fact that donald trump said, hey, russia if you have access to the e-mails, we'd love to see them. even if he says it's loose talk and it's carcasarcasm, can a presidential candidate afford to have loose talk like that? >> what's more dangerous is the fact that one of the two candidates actually did have access to the information, did make it vulnerable to foreign hacking -- >> sean, can they -- you served overseas, you know, can you afford to have loose hlips -- >> i'd rather have someone who's joking around than someone who actually violates that trust -- >> do you think he was joking? >> he says he was joking but i'd rather have somebody joking or half-serious or whatever than someone who actually put this country's security at risk. >> what would your reaction be if hillary reaction said, hey, russia, i hope you can hack trump's e-mail? >> that's really pathetic. the idea we're not talking about what's potentially at risk here. >> it is fine, there is plenty to talk about and we have talked about the e-mail issue and the scandal around that. i mean, we absolutely have. putting -- that's one discussion. this is the discussion, though, that seems every republican we've tried to talk to tried to jump around the fact. do you think it is dangerous or not when a candidate says -- >> when somebody's joking around, they're joking around. >> you think it's okay to be joking like that? >> i think the context he was saying, the real discussion, and it's not going around, it's saying, okay that was a joke, but the reality is we have serious national security problems. we have potential classified information a foreign government is at risk. we're talking about whether it's appropriate for him to joke about it. i think the priorities are wrong. the priorities are is our country at risk because of -- >> we can talk about both of those things -- >> sean, does putin have strong leadership kwaulth qualities? >> i'm sure if you're a russian, you probably think he's tough -- >> do you approve of your party's candidate for president saying -- admiring things of his leadership qualities? >> look, it's one thing to say is he a tough leader. sure, he's been elected a few times. but the reality is, the only ones with connections to putin are the clintons. their foundation has taken a ton of money from them -- >> that's not necessarily true because donald trump himself said at one of the gop debates they get along really well, they met, they were stable mates for a "60 minutes" interview, he has said that himself. >> stable mates and a "60 minutes" interview, he didn't -- >> he's the one that touted it. >> it's bill clint than got speech fees from him, the clinton foundation that got money from him. the relationship between the clintons -- they are doing a great job of diverting -- >> so the answer you've given us on the e-mails and putin have essentially been i know you are but what am i, essentially -- >> no, it's -- >> it's not bad but it's much worse -- >> no, to be cleeshgs clear, i think there's a bigger thing at stake. you have a money trail between clintons and putin and the russian government -- >> real quick. >> -- a couple of the comments that were made, i think the focus is where the real action has been and the stakes that are existing because of what she's done. >> i asked house speaker paul ryan his team to react to this, what donald trump said that sound bite, when he said, hey, russia, help me out. this is the response. russia is a global menace. sure seems like yet again paul ryan is having to distance himself from trump. that's the reaction. >> i think paul ryan is right, putin is a menace, they should stay out of our elections. the only reason they're potentially involved in anything is because the dnc was lax with their e-mails. hillary clinton allowed things to get hacked. their actions have allowed this to get where we are now. let's not forget where we are. hillary clinton installed a secret server. the reality is, their actions got us here, not our, not donald trump's. >> sean spicer, fish out of water, republican at the -- >> thanks for having me on kate's birthday, it's an honor. >> zip it. this is how he wishes me happy birthday. >> sean, thanks so much, appreciate it. >> thank you, sean, get off my set. >> tonight, hillary clinton's big moment. she's giving a speech tonight, you might have heard. she's being introduced by her daughter, chelsea. what she says she fears and she hopes will happen as she steps into the spotlight. you focus on making great burgers, or building the best houses in town. or becoming the next highly-unlikely dotcom superstar. and us, we'll be right there with you, helping with the questions you need answered to get your brand new business started. we're legalzoom and we've already partnered with over a million new business owners to do just that. check us out today to see how you can become one of them. legalzoom. legal help is here. perfect. no tickets, no accidents... that is until one of you clips a food truck, ruining your perfect record. yeah. now, you would think your insurance company would cut you some slack, right? 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>> of course i'm being sarcastic. the real problem is what was said on those e-mails from the democratic national committee. >> all right, joining us now, kelly ann conway, a senior adviser and pollster for the trump campaign, austin goalsby, the former chairman of the council on economic advisers under president obama and he starred in this funny or die video that aired at the dnc monday night that will forever be part of your resume. also joining us, margaret hoover, cnn political commentate, former staffer for george w. bush and veteran of two republican campaigns and john avlon, editor, the daily beast. margaret hoover, republican, donald trump says he's joking, does that settle it? >> that's all i needed to hear. no, that was me being sarcastic. because you know when i'm sarcastic. you know it doesn't look like trump was sarcastic. there was a moment on august 11, 30 years ago, when reagan into a hot mic, not knowing it was hot, said my fellow americans, in five minutes, we begin bombing the soviet union. reagan was a jokester. you knew he was joking. maybe it was inappropriate. everybody knew he was joking. this doesn't pass the smell test. the worst part about this is the utter hypocrisy of republicans bending over backwards to somehow suggest this kind of interference by an aggressor of the united states of america on behalf of him to win a political election is okay. >> but, john avlon, can't anyone take a joke? >> look, i think more people need a sense of humor in politicses and in life. the problem was, this wasn't a joke, this is somebody shooting from the hip, because he's primarily an entertainer, not a politician, let alone a leader. some people like that. but we're in the serious stage of the campaign and the allegations which the fbi is looking into that russia hacked into the dnc to influence the election could not be more serious. so, and look, there's a lot of situational ethics and spin in politics and it's what disgusts a lot of independents. imagine if hillary clinton went on tv today and said, chib, china, i want you to hack donald trump's servers. i think you'd be mass inly rewarded by the american press. >> i would be thrilled because it meant she had a press conference for the first time in -- >> kelly ann, you know that vladimir putin doesn't poll well with the american people. >> we actually don't put him in our -- >> donald trump considers him as his running mate -- >> look, i do think people can't take a joke. you're covering the most joyless nominee in the history of politics, hillary clinton. i think all of this says again there's a disconnect. americans see this election as a referendum on hillary clinton. and many in the media see it as a referendum on donald trump. voters see it as she's the one who's been in public life for decades. do we want what she's selling, a lack of integrity? we hear she's the most qualified person in the history of people running for president. to a lot of voters, a d.c. resume is not a qualification, integrity is a qualification. donald trump said he was being sarcastic. go watch the whole press conference. it was an hour's worth -- >> we did but -- >> he was just talking to the press in terms of why don't you force her to have a press conference and basically saying to the media wouldn't you be thrilled to see what's in those e-mailings. i think most americans, even though we want to see a billionaire's tax returns, they would rather see her e-mails than his tax returns. >> in the same discussion, he's talking about maybe he'll recognize the russian invasion of crimea and say, oh, it's okay that they did that, measure not going to hold them accountable. we've had the experience of him saying -- proposing to default on treasuries and recession to try to save money for the government and then coming back and saying no, no, i was just kidding, that's not what i meant. you see the trump people doing what they consistently do, which is let's try to change the subject to something else when he gets called on what he's saying. i don't blame him. i would be trying to change the subject too. if my candidate were going out and saying these absolutely a asini asinine, insane things -- >> and leading in the polls. >> may be leading in the polls, but totally unreasonable. they're trying to change the subject from what you heard last night, where president obama made clear -- >> i want to get your take, if donald trump is saying asinine things, if he's such a weak candidate, if that convention was such a disaster, why are the polls the way they are? >> well, let us see what happened in the polls after this convention is done. mike dukakis was ahead by 17 points in the election at that same spot in between the conventions. >> there's always a bump and kelly ann will of course appreciate the importance of polls but might downplay them after the typical post-convention bump on the democrat's part. i am surprised to hear you say integrity is the alternative to hillary clinton. i don't think that's -- >> -- is a qualification -- >> -- is his strong suit -- >> well, 68% of americans say hillary's neither honest, nor trustworthy. john, i don't know what we're going to hear tonight or this year that's going to turn that around for her. i'm opening to listening. what is she going to say or do that's going to turn around two-thirds of americans admitting to a stranger on the phone they can't trust her? >> again, this is trying to change the subject from what -- >> let him talk. >> -- if the subject of what donald trump said the most damaging thing to the donald trump campaign are the words that come out of donald trump's own mouth, that's what's the most dangerous thing here. >> it's not about what hillary clinton is going to say. she's a pretty safe candidate. she doesn't take a lot of risks. we don't have any idea what donald trump is going to say -- >> i think -- i'm afraid i do know what he's going to say and we do know what -- and that's even scarieiescarier. >> that doesn't matter, him saying i don't want veterans to die anymore? >> he has a ten-point minimum wage plan but they're all contradicting each other. >> the veterans have been dying for care -- >> i'm not laughing it off -- >> you're contrasting yourself with -- >> i'm sorry? >> i'm not sure you know that anyone's pro-va deaths -- >> but he says -- we're talking about the fact we don't know what's going to come out of his mouth. listen to what's company oe outs mouth like the ten-point plan so veterans -- >> what are the ten points? >> go read it. you don't want to read it. >> i do want to read it. i've seen his tax plan -- >> the one thing i would love is if donald trump is telling a joke, i would like him to say, i'm telling a joke, and then tell a joke. >> that's something hillary would say, i'm about to be funny, watch. person after person last night said i know you don't like her, with friends like that, i mean, she's not a great speechwriter. >> last word, ten seconds, go. >> i'm not funny but tell me how was that donald trump joke funny? that wasn't funny at all. >> thank you, all. >> you were hilarious in that video. >> i didn't say anything at that point. >> thank you, guys. >> happy birthday. >> happy birthday, next up, chelsea clinton. she'll be introducing her mother tonight. and we just got a preview. for lower back pain sufferers, the search for relief often leads... here... here... or here. today, there's a new option. introducing drug-free aleve direct therapy. a tens device with high intensity power that uses technology once only available in doctors' offices. its wireless remote lets you control the intensity. and helps you get back to things like... this... this... or this. and back to being yourself. introducing new aleve direct therapy. find yours in the pain relief aisle. built a sandcastle?id? 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is it done? >> it is never done in clinton would when we have this much time. tonight is an opportunity really for hillary clinton to tie all the themes in we've been hearing, but for her to make the case for herself after she's introduced by her daughter, for anyone out there who may not like me, i'm going to fight for you. i think that's one of the biggest goal has the clinton campaign want to take away from this. her people are with her. her supporters love it. she's trying to reach the people who may not yet be with her. she's run for president before, been in the senate, secretary of state. she has not done this before. this is a new moment. she's never accepted the nomination before and gone ahead to do this. look at the village surrounding her. we use the word a lot, it takes a village. look at the people surrounding her, a couple of presidents, vice president, vice president and potential nominee, she has this village. tonight she has to bring it and they think she will bring it and make people like her a little bit more if that's possible. it's a big moment for her tonight. >> the village will not be on stage with her. we will see if they pro fell it forward. >> a great way of putting it. she's done so many things before. from here on out, a new moment. >> kate bolduan, happy birthday. >> thank you. our special coverage continues in just a moment. adverse conditions. ch ts ♪ come to the lexus golden opportunity sales event this is the pursuit of perfection. when heartburn comes creeping up on you. fight back with relief so smooth and fast. tums smoothies starts dissolving the instant it touches your tongue. and neutralizes stomach acid at the source. tum-tum-tum-tum-tums smoothies, only from tums. welcome to "inside politics." i'm john king. we're live in philadelphia on the fourth and final day of the democratic national convention. this is
votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. she's going to do nothing for african-americans. she going to do nothing for the hispanics. she's only going to take care of herself, her husbands, her consultants, her donors. these are the people she cares about. she doesn't care. >> clinton firing back, accusing trump of bigotry as well. jim acosta, this is a major change in trump's stance on deportation tonight. here's what he said in an interview. "no citizenship, that i pay back taxes, they have to pay taxes, there's no amnesty as such, but we work with them. now, everybody agrees we get the bad ones out but when i go through and i meet thousands and thousands of people on this subject and i've had very strong people come up to me be really, really great people come up to me and very, very mr. trump, i love you but to take a person who's been here for 15, 20 years and throw them and their family, it's so tough." . this is a reversal. this is not a softening. >> no, this is wilting. during the primaries he called for a mass deportation force that would round up 11 million illegal immigrants and remove them from this country. now he's saying the ones in this country, the undocumented who have been law abiding can stay in this country, as long as they pay back taxes. he is saying that's not amnesty but a lot of conservatives within the republican party will say that is amnesty. we stand in phoenix he's going to be delivering a speech on immigration where we expect him to give some more details on this. he didn't go much into the details in this speech here in jackson, mississippi tonight. he only said his upcoming shift on immigration will not hurt american jobs and that sort of thing. he didn't talk about the details that he did in this interview on fox news. but, don, as you mentioned, one other sort of omg moment here and donald trump has these every couples of weeks, you'll recall a couple of weeks ago when he said president obama was the founder of isis and later he said he was just being sarcastic about that. listen to what donald trump what to say about hillary clinton at this rally in jack where he essentially called her a bigot. here's what he had to say. >> hillary clinton is a bigot who sees people of color only as votes, not as human beings worthy of a better future. she's going to do nothing for african-americans, she's going to do nothing for the hispanics. she doesn't care what her policies have done to your communities. >> and donald trump was reading from a teleprompter, that line "hillary clinton is a bigot" is in his prepared remarks. it's noting is he ad libbed. he's been veering off script and saying all sorts of things. this was not one of those moments. this was in the script and he delivered it as it was prepared. the other thing we should point out is this perfectly tees up donald trump for all sorts of criticism in the coming days. this is a candidate who said mexicans immigrating to this country were rapists. he said a mexican-american judge could not fairly handle the trump university case, that was considered by many to are a racist or bigoted comment. to come out and call hillary clinton a bigot is going to open him up to that. >> thank you, jim acosta, i appreciate it. i want to bring in mark preston, dana bash, patrick healy. okay. dana, we're listening to jim. he didn't essentially call her a bigot. he called her a bigot tonight. >> yes and it was in the teleprompter. it wasn't a classic, off-the-cuff remark that gives him into trouble. it was delivered and done on purpose. they're trying to be provocat e provocative, not something unusual for donald trump, but doing so as he is trying to make inroads himself with the african-american community by -- and with hispanics, with minorities in general by raising questions about what hillary clinton and democrats in general have really done for those communities as opposed to the lip service that they've paid. you can argue the merits of that, and we will for the next two months, but that kind of term certainly is getting him the press that he wanted. >> i want you all to listen to hillary clinton. this is her with anderson cooper talking about his responding to donald trump's bigot comment. >> it reminds me of that great saying that maya angelou had that when someone shows you who they are believe them the first time. and donald trump has shown us who he is and we ought to believe him. he is taking a hate movement mainstream. he's brought it into his campaign. he's bringing it to our communities and our country and, you know, someone who has questioned the citizenship of the first african-american president, who has courted white supremacists, who has been sued for housing discrimination against communities of color, who attacked a judge for his mexican heritage and promised a mass deportation force is someone who is very much peddling bigotry and prejudice and paranoia. >> patrick, considering what she just said and bringing up the litany of things she considers to be bigoted, is it wise for donald trump to go down this i know you are but what am i road? >> this is dangerous. it's coming at a time when donald trump is drastically softening his language on immigration, trying to make this strange overture by black and hispanic voters by saying what do you have to lose by voting for me and now he's going back to injecting this racially charged language. she has been and her allies have suggested he has been bigoted for a while now. that stuff sticks in his craw, sort of always does and now he's hitting back. he's going to mississippi to sort of punch her on this but it's one of those things that tends to overshadow everything else that he says, as he's trying to make these prepared remark speeches, he's using teleprompters -- that w >> that was in the teleprompter. >> it was. he's been trying to button up the last two weeks and then he makes a remark like this that's clearly calculated but it overshadows everything. >> what's behind a comment like this, mark preston? is it a working strategy? >> i look to see what is the strategy behind it. the beginning of the week he gave a lot of praise to the trump campaign for cancelling that speech on immigration, allowed the media to attack hillary clinton. what we've seen tonight, though, is after a few days he has taken the spotlight and stolen it back and pulled it towards him. to use really racially charged attacks like that by calling hillary clinton is bigot is an overreach, a big overreach on his part. in many ways, it desensitizing everything else he's trying to say or calls into question what he's trying to say. if you don't believe that, it overshadows the attacks he's making on hillary clinton as somebody who is not fit to be commander in chief. >> that's a turn around. i guess the strategy was for him to be safer and not to say sort of outlandish things but this is a complete turn around, talking about the deportation thing, dana. i read it for jim accosta earlier. he says, "no citizenship. let me go a step further. they'll pay back taxes, there's no amnesty as such but we're going to work with them and he said people coming up to him saying they've been here for 15, 20 years, you can't just send people out. what's your reaction to this? >> had we not had the hints on saturday and sunday that he was moving in a direction like this, i would be more shocked. but even though we knew something like this was coming, to see those words that came from donald trump is still really kind of unbelievable. i'm just kind of give you context of what it's like to be a former republican opponent of donald trump, people who were pushing this and were told by trump and trump supporters that that is amnesty period, end of story. >> isn't this already on the books? is this the policy that's already in place or pretty close to it? >> well, it's what people who were pushing for comprehensive immigration reform, some of them, some of them wanted to go to full on citizenship -- >> republicans like paul ryan have suggested -- >> absolutely. let me give you a quote which i thought summed it up. an ally of ted cruz said to me this would be like ted cruz suddenly saying i'm for obama care. that's the way that they look at this, what a shift it is because it's such a core issue for donald trump. >> it kind of reminds me of 2012 and mitt romney saying i don't like obama care and president obama saying obama care is essentially romney care. >> in massachusetts. >> it has your name on it. >> yeah, this is thinking about romney, too, an ultimate etch a sketch for donald trump. donald trump won the republican nomination by going to rallies and saying those 11 million illegals are gone, they're gone. >> let's put it up and we'll talk about it. >> we're going to keep the families together. we have to keep the families together. >> but you're going to keep them together out? >> they have to go. we're going to have a deportation force, you're going to do it humanely. >> you're rounding them all up. >> in a very humane way and nice way and they're going to be happy because they want to be legalized. >> i'm sure these are very, very fine people. they're going to go and we're going to create a path where we can get them into this country legally. >> so to your point, patrick. >> i mean, it's as close to a flip flop as i think we've seen -- >> as close to a flip flop? it is a flip flop. come on. >> i'm a "new york times" guy. you have a guy saying we're going to deport all 11 million. no to you dana's point, he was setting up a softening the other day. the weird things about this, don, this clip is going to get a lot of play that's coming out on fox is that he was sort of crowd sourcing the audience as he was talking about all of this. hi to read the transcript three times to get what he was saying. he does this at his rallies sometimes. he says what do you think about deporting they will all? what do you think about keeping some of them if they pay back taxes and they don't have criminal records? he's tossing out these lines. what's clear is he's considering making changes, that he's going to make a decision soon, we have to make a decision soon. >> this is what hillary clinton told anderson about this change tonight. >> my understanding is the comment you just referred to is the third different position he took yesterday on immigration. somebody has told him, i guess the latest people that he's consulting, how damaging his statements have been, how terrible his deportation plan is, how offensive his views on immigrants have been since the very first day of his campaign. so he's trying to do kind of a shuffle here. but i think we need to look at the entire context. we need to believe him when he bullies and threatens to throw out every immigrant in the country and certainly when he changes his position three times in one day, it sends a message that it's just a desperate effort to try to land somewhere that isn't as, you know, devastating to his campaign as his comments and his positions have been up until now. >> mark preston, isn't the danger here that he is turning away the core supporters on that hard line -- >> i think we've become desensitized to donald trump saying one thing or monday, changing it on tuesday and something different on wednesday. there are a lot of centrist moderates who are saying this is the donald trump that i want to lead the republican party if in fact he wins in november. this is the donald trump we were all hoping for after he won the primary that would moderate his positions that we can then get behind. this is the donald trump that's okay at the top of the ticket. so even though we're very critical of the fact that he is changing his positions, it's a change that is actually going to be embraced by more republicans than repulsed by more republicans. those who have joined the donald trump campaign, those who are backing him, they have nowhere else to go. they're going to stay with donald trump because they still believe he's going to make america great again. donald trump has become something he has said over and over and over again that he will never become and that's a politician. >> i have to get to the break. we're going to continue our conversation on the other side of this. we'll be right back. don't go anywhere. we're always saying, "no worries, mate!" but in the outback, "no worries" means a three course meal for just $12.99 every wednesday, soup or salad, entree and dessert. you know what else no worries wednesday is? 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for donald trump to say you know what, i should just stay on message because it actually works. that's the reason why politicians stay on message. however, he has done so well, at least did up until he got the nomination being his own guy. that was what made him donald trump. >> it's tough. it's hard to change. mark preston, we've been talking about it on the show, critics have been saying he needed to change and stay on message. he said his critics were anti-trump, surrogates said he was anti-trump but when the polls fell, he said maybe i need to listen to the polls. >> donald trump has again become this politician that republicans potentially, those who have been sitting on the sidelines, could get behind. >> mark, can i put the polls up to give our viewers some context as you're talking about it. this is our new battleground poll out of arizona. latinos 18%, made up 18% of the electorate in 2012. shows clinton with 57% of the hispanic vote compared to 20% for trump. trump holds a 5-point lead over clinton in arizona. he has kellyanne conway, who better to lead your campaign than a pollster. so she must be reading something into these polls. >> let's take a step back. we look at those polls there, don that, have just come out in the last 12 hours or so showing what's happening in the battleground states. when trump talks about reaching out to the minority community, let me give you numbers about the idea that he could get african-americans to support him. barack obama won 93% of the black vote in 2012, 95% of the black vote in 2008 when he was first elected. the hispanic vote, democrats have easily won the hispanic vote if you go as far back as 1980, the closest republicans ever came was george w. bush in 2004, he came in within 18 points of john kerry that year. and if you go back to 2012 when barack obama ran against mitt romney, mitt romney lost the hispanic vote by 44%. when donald trump is talking about reaching out to minority communities, it's a smart thing to do but it about reaching out to disaffected voters who haven't made up their mind yet. >> dan rather and others have said he's reaching out for people they feel may be a bigot. >> and in the focus group, people were saying he's a little racist, we don't like this. >> you have the clinton foundation but the e-mail problem. she spoke to anderson cooper about that and gave one of the most concise answers some say to date on this subject. here it is. >> i've been asked many, many questions in the past year about e-mails. what i've learned is when i tried to explain what happened, it sounds like i'm trying to excuse what i did. there are no excuses. i want people to know the decision to have single e-mail account was mine. i apologize for it, i would certainly do different if i could. but youfobviously i'm grateful the justice department has determined there's no reason to continue this further. >> so it interesting because i remember having the conversation with maria cardona and i said after the black journalist thing and i said the answer to that question is so easy, right? and that was the answer she gave. >> maybe she was watching you, don. >> no matter how i tried to answer this question -- >> i've answered it 77,000 times and every time i got myself into more trouble. maybe that's the way to answer it. you could almost hear the tug of war inside of hillary clinton as she's answering that question because by nature she obviously is somebody who wants to explain and to deep dive and to give kind of all of the, you know, her lawyerly background all of the reasons why x, y and see are not true. it doesn't work with something like this. people want to know are you sorry? are you not going to do it again? yes. americans are forgiving. that's what they want. they want to move on. >> just like her -- the summer of 2015, she was gritting her teeth, she would not say the e-mails were a mistake, she would not apologize. reporters would ask her, will you apologize now? it's been a year of excuses, excuses, excuses. there are no excuses. you see hillary clinton and donald trump getting on the postlabor day general election message, trying to clean up the things they feel they need to with undecided voters. at least the e-mail story is not going away. if trump comes out, you know -- >> just quickly, the one thing that i thought might be something you're going to hear more from the clinton people that she said tonight on the foundation issues, which have been really bogging her down is, okay, you know, maybe there are questions but we don't know anything about donald trump's -- never mind his taxes but his business. it's all private. >> oh, well. it's easy to say i'm sorry but i'm sorry i have to go to the next segment. mark, thank you very. up next, a top trump supporter goes head to head with the clinton deportation plan. we'll be right back. be the you who doesn't cover your moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. be the you who shows up in that dress. who hugs a friend. who is done with treatments that don't give you clearer skin. be the you who controls your psoriasis with stelara® just 4 doses a year after 2 starter doses. stelara® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections and cancer. some serious infections require hospitalization. before treatment, get tested for tuberculosis. before starting stelara® tell your doctor if you think you have an infection or have symptoms such as: fever, sweats, chills, muscle aches or cough. always tell your doctor if you have any signs of infection, have had cancer, if you develop any new skin growths or if anyone in your house needs or has recently received a vaccine. alert your doctor of new or worsening problems, including headaches, seizures, confusion and vision problems these may be signs of a rare, potentially fatal brain condition. some serious allergic reactions can occur. do not take stelara® if you are allergic to stelara® or any of its ingredients. most people using stelara® saw 75% clearer skin and the majority were rated as cleared or minimal at 12 weeks. be the you who talks to your dermatologist about stelara®. gilman: go get it, marcus. go get it. ...coach gilman used his cash rewards credit card from bank of america to earn 1% cash back everywhere, every time. at places like the batting cages. ♪ [ crowd cheers ] 2% back at grocery stores and now at wholesale clubs. and 3% back on gas. which helped him give his players something extra. the cash rewards credit card from bank of america. more cash back for the things you buy most. theschwarzkopf presents card frocolor ultîme.rica. a model needs vibrant hair color to light up the runway. its color blend formula locks pigment in for brilliant, vibrant colors. discover runway colors that last. color ultîme, developed with claudia schiffer. from schwarzkopf. i am a first responder tor and i'emergencies 24 hours a day, everyday of the year. my children and my family are on my mind when i'm working all the time. my neighbors are here, my friends and family live here, so it's important for me to respond as quickly as possible and get the power back on. it's an amazing feeling turning those lights back on. be informed about outages in your area. sign up for outage alerts at pge.com/outagealerts. together, we're building a better california. a major shift from donald trump tonight promising to, quote, work with undocumented immigrants. here to discuss, jennifer granholm, former governor of michigan and jan brewer, the republican governor of arizona, who is supporting donald trump. good evening to both of you. >> good evening. >> i want to get your reaction to this -- >> thanks for having me on, don. >> thanks for coming. governor brewer, how is this not am amnesty? >> i don't know exactly how it was presented or exactly what donald said today -- >> i know there's a delay. he said "no citizenship, will the me go a step further, they'll pay back taxes, there's no amnesty as such there's no amnesty but we work with them. everybody agrees we get the bad guys out but when you go through and meet thousands and thousands of people on the subject and i've had very strong people come up to me, really great, great people come up to me and they've said, mr. trump, i love you but to take a person who has been here for 15 to 20 years and throw them and their family out, it is so tough, mr. trump. and i have it all the time, it is a very, very hard thing. he's talking about working with people who have been here and a path to citizenship. how is this not amnesty? >> he's been very successful in business and he's a problem solver. and it does tug at your heart the issues that we're facing in regards to immigration and people have spoken with him. i think we all should take a deep breath and wait for his policy speech to be made on this and move forward at that given time. but we've all said all along that we need our border secured. i've said that for, what, seven years for sure. secure our border, then we can deal with all these other issues. >> governor granholm, how is this not amnesty? >> first of all, you have to believe that what he's saying tonight is what he's truly going to act upon as opposed to what he's been saying for the past year, which is we're going to have a deportation force and people have to go. if he's not saying that, if he's saying we have a totally different change in plan and all of you people who have supported me throughout my entire campaign, well, not so much. you heard tonight he was at the rally sort of asking the crowd what he should do. who is this man? if he has a question about a policy, he's going to go to a rally and say should we bomb so and so? should i press the nuclear button? i mean, the man is totally unstable. i think that's really clear. and i agree that we should wait to hear what his formal policy is but, honestly, i don't think anyone should buy it. what he's been telling us and his supporters for the past year, that's what he intend to do. >> to her point, she has been saying for the past year there's going to be a deportation force. i'm wondering how supporters in your state are going to react to that because they were thinking i'm sure that they were going to deport undocumented immigrants. >> well, the people in arizona and the people of america are going to obviously wait to see exactly what his plan is. bottom line is is that calling him unstable, it's donald trump that won overwhelmingly the nomination because he speaks from his heart and he speaks what he thinks, what he's thinking at the given time. and to call him unstable, that's like hillary clinton, you know, she's a serial tale teller. we can go back and forth. tonight, governor, we're trying to solve and resolve a problem that's been facing america for the last 20 years and the last eight years have been horrendous. we need a solution and we need someone like donald trump to listen, which he has, he has spoken from his heart, he knows the difficulty of it but let's wait and just see exactly what it is. >> that's exactly what governor granholm just said. governor granholm just said we need to -- >> secure the border. the criminals, the cartel, the rapists that the cartels come across with and the terrorists that come across with the cartel, those are the things that absolutely -- >> in the interest of time, governor, i don't mean to cut you off but we have a short time and i want to spend it wisely. to governor granholm's points this is what the bush spokesperson said "it is unsurprising that donald trump is finally faced with reconciling his immigration policy with reality, something governor bush predicted last year." governor granholm, many people were saying having a deportation force and building a wall weren't viable options because you physically cannot build a wall across the entire southern border and you cannot have a deportation force legally. they predicted this all along. >> it's totally ridiculous, those particular policies. the reason why donald trump wants to figure out how to get out of the pickle he's in, which is having created such massive opposition to himself on the part of both those who might otherwise be inclined to vote republican but are uncomfortable with the racial overtones of his campaign and the hispanic vote, you have a poll tonight where hillary clinton is ahead of donald trump by 27 points among hispanics. it is going to be very difficult for him to try to pull the wool over people's eyes who have been insulted, judge curiel, who have been called rapists and vilified for the past year. now to soften language and expect people are going to flow back is a very hard sell. >> governor brewer, does donald trump risk the perception he's becoming everything he's attacked, he's seen as flip-flopping on certain key issues that he initiated from the beginning? >> no, i don't believe so. i believe, again, that he is a problem solver. he's going to solve it. certainly he understands i nt's not only incumbent upon him to work with the united states congress to resolve these problems. i would think that the hispanic population certainly have not been -- their problems have not been resolved in the last eight years of obama and if we have hillary clinton, the serial tale teller, again, it won't get resolved. we need solutions and donald trump is the man that can do it and he has promised that that's what he would do and i take him at his word. >> all right, governors, thank you very much. i appreciate you joining me here on cnn. when we come right back, hill him talks exclusively to cnn to the attacks of the clinton foundation saying there's a lot of smoke about no fire. or not in vests. this is my retirement. retiring retired tires. and i never get tired of it. are you entirely prepared to retire? plan your never tiring retiring retired tires retirement with e*trade. so it most certainly doesn't end...t end at the horizon. plan your never tiring retiring retired tires retirement at gate c-47. with travelocity, get help through social media 24/7. travelocity® wander wisely™ amazing sleep stays with you all day and all night. sleep number beds with sleepiq technology give you the knowledge to adjust for the best sleep ever. the time is now for the biggest sale of the year, where all beds are on sale! save 50% on the labor day limited edition bed. know better sleep. only at a sleep number store. is it a force of nature? 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>> well, what we did when i was secretary of state, as i said, went above and beyond anything that was required, anything that any charitable organization has to do. now, obviously if i am president, there will be some unique circumstances and that's why the foundation has laid out additional, unprecedented -- >> didn't those unique circumstances exist -- >> no, no. you know, look, anderson, i know there's a lot of smoke and there's no fire. this a.p. report, put it in context. it excludes nearly 2,000 meetings i had with world leaders, plus countless other meetings with u.s. government officials when i was secretary of state. it looked at a small portion of my time and it drew the conclusion and made the suggestion that my meetings with people like the late great ellie weisel were somehow due to connections with the foundation instead of their status as highly respected global leaders. that is absurd. these are people who i was proud to meet with, who any secretary of state would have been proud to meet with to hear about their work and their insight. >> you heard hillary clinton's defense of her family foundation. when we come back, i want to talk about her answers. how did she do? 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>> this is the answer she should have given months ago. she's been digging herself deeper and deeper. >> let's listen. >> i've been asked many, many questions in the past year about e-mails and what i've learned is that when i try to explain what happened, it sounds like i'm trying to excuse what i did. and there are no excuses. i want people to know that the decision to have a single e-mail account was mine. i take responsibility for it, i've apologized for it. i would certainly do differently if i could. but obviously i'm grateful the justice department concluded there was no basis to pursue this matter further and i believe the public will be and is considering my full record and experience as they consider their choice for president. >> david axelrod said that was the best answer she gave so far on that. do you agree with him? >> this is a self-inflicted error, not only that she presumably set up the separate account because she wanted to avoid foia requests and then she had all these absurd explanations which were unpersuasioniunpe unpersuasives and she mischaracterized colin powell's statement and finally we have her saying what she should have been saying months and months ago. >> donald trump has been sharpening himself attacks, particularly regarding the clinton foundation. let listen. >> she wants to sell out american security to the clinton foundation for a big, fat pile of cash. it's hard to tell where the clinton foundation end and where the state department begins. >> fair criticism of the foundation? >> i think it's true that there were blurred lines between the foundation and secretary clinton and her office in the state department but there's no evidence that people were paying the foundation for benefits from the state department. there's no sign of any quid pro quo. so were there apparent conflicts? absolutely. did she manage them poorly? i think so. but no evidence of quid pro quos. at the end of the day, this is a foundation that's had a huge impact on aid world wide. charity watch gives the clinton foundation an a great, the best rating, yet the optics on this new report doesn't look good but it seems self-inflicted. you know more about the clinton foundation and what -- that i don't take a salary from it than you know anything about donald trump's finances or taxes. >> it's frustrating for those of us who look at global health issues, the foundation has done fantastic work on provides aids, micronutrients, the least sexy way to save children's lives around the world and yet because that work has been obscured because they did not adhere to this memoranda of understanding that they had with the obama administration. they appeared it tried to hide some incoming monies being funneled through the canadian office, for example. >> if she becomes president, should they close it down and move it off to another ngo probably? >> i think they probably should. i admire a lot of what the foundation has done but at this point, it obviously huge distraction. >> thank you, nicholas kristof. >> donald trump calls hillary clinton a bigot. she fires back saying he's peddling prejudice, bigotry and paranoia. we have more when we come right back. your foot off the brake, the brake stays engaged and you stay put. taking the legwork out of stop and go traffic. and even hills. that's the more human side of engineering. this is the lincoln summer invitation, hurry in now to your dealer for limited time offers. lease a lincoln mkx for $349 a month or get 0% apr for 60 months and just announced $1,000 summer invitation bonus. hillary clinton: i'm hillary clinton and i approve this message. vo: in times of crisis america depends on steady leadership. donald trump: "knock the crap out of them, would you? seriously..."vo: clear thinking... donald trump: "i know more about isis than the generals do, believe me." vo: and calm judgment. donald trump: "and you can tell them to go fu_k themselves." vo: because all it takes is one wrong move. donald trump audio only: "i would bomb the sh_t out of them." vo: just one. this is cnn breaking news. >> breaking news, a major shift from donald trump on immigration. meanwhile, hillary clinton blasts him in an exclusive interview with cnn. this is "cnn tonight," i'm don lemon. trump in an interview saying there would be no amnesty but promising to, quote, work with undocumented immigrants. and in a blistering speech in mississippi, he calls hillary clinton a bigot. she fires back accusing trump of peddling bigotry, prejudice and paranoia with our own anderson cooper. i want to bring in mark preston ands
>> reporter: even suggesting that natasha stoynoff, a writer for "people" magazine was not attractive enough. >> look at her. look at her words. you tell me what you think. i don't think so. >> reporter: trump's speech a stark contrast to michelle obama's emotional call to women to rise up against him. >> i have to tell you that i listened to all of this, this shameful comments about our bodies. the disrespect of our ambitions and intellect. the belief that you can do anything you want to a woman. >> reporter: the first lady condemning trump's lewd comments captured on tape about women and sexual assault. >> it is cruel. it's frightening. and the truth is, it hurts. >> reporter: speaking in deeply personal terms while refusing to mention trump by name. >> this isn't about politics, it's about basic human decency. it's about right and wrong. and we simply cannot endure this or expose our children to this any longer, not for another minute and yet alone for four years. >> reporter: president obama and vice president joe biden also taking on trump while campaigning for hillary clinton. >> his admission of what is the textbook definition of sexual assault is not inconsistent with the way he has abused power all along. >> reporter: the president hammering republican leaders who have just decided to withdraw their support. >> you claim the mantle of the party of family values. and this is the guy you nominate? and stand by and endorse and campaign with until, finally, at the 11th hour you withdraw your nomination. you don't get credit for that. >> donald trump has two rallies in battleground north carolina, the state where the latest polls have him falling behind. hillary clinton is actually off the trail again today. she has a star-studded fund-raising swing on the west coast and she has her husband, bill clinton, and her daughter, chelsea, campaigning for her as well as president obama in ohio who will try to rally voters in that state that he won to vote early. chris? >> thank you very much. one of trump's accusers is a woman named jessica leeds and she is telling her story to cnn. she said trump's alleged assault happened on a plane decades ago. she laid out her allegations in details exclusively with anderson cooper. here's a look. >> he wasn't flirting and i don't think i was flirting. we were just talking. >> and then the meal finished. >> then the meal finished and the stewards cle s cleared away dishes and suddenly he's encroaching on my side of the seat. and his hands were everywhere. >> did he say anything? >> no. and i didn't either. >> you didn't say anything? >> i didn't say anything. >> you say his hands were everywhere. can you be specific? >> well, he was grabbing my breasts and trying to turn me towards him and kissing me and then after a bit, that's when his hands started going, i was wearing a skirt. and his hands started going towards my knee and up my skirt. and that's when i said, i don't need this. and i got up. >> is that literally what you said? >> i don't know if i said it out loud -- >> that's what you were thinking. >> i do remember thinking the guy in the other seat, why doesn't he say something? >> could other people see? >> the guy in the seat across the aisle could see. and kept thinking, well, maybe the steward is going to come. >> do you know how long that went on for? >> not real long. i would say just 15 minutes. >> that's a long time. did he actually kiss you? >> yeah. >> on the face or on the lips? >> wherever he could find a landing spot, yes. >> and, i mean, 15 minutes is a very long time. >> well, you know, it seemed like forever. so, but i got up, got my bag and i went back to the coach section. and i went all the way back to the tail of the airplane in the last seat in the last aisle and sat down. >> we have a lot to talk about. let's bring in our panel, cnn political analyst and "new york times" political correspondent patrick healy and errol lewis and "washington post" reporter abbie philip. great to have all of you here. donald trump says all of this is lies and none of this have happened from the women who have come forward with sort of similar accounts and yesterday at a speech he said he's going to be able to prove that this didn't happen. listen to donald trump here. >> these vicious claims about me of inappropriate conduct with women are totally and absolutely false. we already have substantial evidence to dispute these lies and it will be made public in an appropriate way and at an appropriate time very soon. >> okay, patrick, as chris just pointed out to me, now would be the appropriate time to bring these forward. also, how do you prove a negative? how is he going to prove he didn't kiss women? >> he's also going to say he is going to reveal his tax returns for months. so, all this information is still to come out. he's going to have a hard time, alisyn. the large number of voters, 70% of women, about 50% of men reacted very badly to the 2005 videotape remarks of donald trump. this is not complicated comments that are being made. people have visceral, personal reaction to the kind of language he's using and the kind of behavior he's accused of. how he comes forward when he simply says, this never happened. this never happened. is he going to come forward sort of proving that he wasn't on a certain flight? is he going to say i was out of town when this sort of encounter happened? it's very hard. >> what is going to be his best defense to this? in the interest of fairness, i know this isn't popular to question victims. but these happened a long time ago, errol. >> 2005. or many of them. >> 2005 are a couple of episodes. i'm saying the "new york times ones. you're talking about 30 years ago. the cooperation that "the new york times" did talking outwardly to four people but they're intimate. they don't put out the names. you are probably too young to remember, but in the '90s with the clintons if it was paula jones you had to have cooperation of that time of people who were not connected to her to show an objectivity of vetting this out. that's his best defense. these are really old. why didn't they come forward then? where is any proof of having this happened and where is the proof other than an intimate? >> that is assuming he can do that. with 25 more days until the most important day of his life, he has the resources and personnel to make that happen. patrick is exactly right. we don't know what that appropriate time is. there are also plans to defeat isis that we don't know about. the appropriate time for this is probably after the election. we shouldn't kid ourselves. frankly the trump campaign has spoken with a lot of different, they scrambled a little bit on this. to the extent that they say this is a distraction and the american people and the future of the country depends on us talking about something more important, he should probably go to that thing that is more important. even though everyone in the media is going to want to ask him about the different allegations and the reality is, they just don't have the resource os to do this. there are many, many things going on in this campaign that they have to worry about that take precedence over him trying to disprove a claim that took place 30 years ago. >> things have changed since the '90s. we have been through as a society the bill cosby saga where 30 or 40 years after the fact came forward and i think the american public have a different view on how to approach these sort of things and not only that, but trump has the challenge of the preponderance of evidence that is out there that people are looking at and it makes it easier for them to accept these women's stories. it's just a challenge he has to overcome and starts by not compounding the problem with all these various excuses that only make things worse. >> another challenge he really has to overcome is talking to the wider group of voters who he needs to win over. undecided voters, soft clinton supporters. he's going out yesterday saying, you know, i'm a victim of this conspiracy and i'm willing to take the slings and arrows, he said, for our movement. he's talking to his supporters. he's talking to his base. the 26 days before an election, you're going after hillary clinton's soft supporters. you're not supposed to be just trying to rally and stabilize your base. >> hillary clinton has responded to this. she went on "ellen" which will air today. but we have a little snippet of it. let me play it for you. >> there's a lot that is coming out, which is distressing on many levels. but i don't want anybody to think this election is over because it's been so unpredictable up until now that i'm not taking anything for granted. we've got to work really hard for the next three and a half weeks because who knows. who knows what could happen. >> errol, this election is unpredictable. if donald trump went back to all of your points about just talking aboutthe issues. if he became that man that we saw at the podium in mexico after the meeting with the president there where he seemed more presidential, there are still people who don't want to vote for hillary clinton and are looking for an alternative. could he turn it around in these next 25 days? >> he has some opportunities. i mean, looking at some of the ads he is running and looking at some of the ads yesterday. he has a whole slew of money. we always knew he was going to have his campaign spending and now is the time to start spending it. they set aside money in a lot of key swing states and he is going to make his case to people who didn't want to hear it before or might be more willing to listen right now. if you want to delve into this stuff and go back 30 years and we know from his personality and temperament that's what he's inclined to do. it's going to end up being political quick sand instead of trying to climb the mounten . >> he almost drowned in it yesterday with one of his first lines saying, look at her. well, look at her words. almost fell in the hole of saying what everyone says he is. let's change topics to michelle obama. we're going to do that in just a second because she is now clinton's most effective surrogate. she delivered a unique address yesterday. there was an emotion in it. she didn't want to talk politics. she said she wanted to talk about decency. what she said that is resonating so widely this morning, next. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me. they keep telling me "drink more water." 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>> this is the dynamic we're looking at here. michelle obama talking about something that she knows that every woman in this country understands. sexual assault, sexual harassment, being talked to when you don't want to be talked to. being leered at when you don't want to be leered at. it is a profoundly common phenomenon and she gave voice to that. on the other side, you had donald trump just maybe an hour later saying none of that exists. we will see, i think, in this election which of those two things is the most powerful for us here. i think it is much more common. women in this country know what sexual assault is. they know what sexual harassment is. it is more common than many people think. it is more common than many men think. michelle obama said that. she said, you know what, this is not normal and you should not have to feel like it's normal. that is, i think, going to be extremely powerful. >> patrick, could hillary clinton have given that speech? >> that's a great question. >> that tapping into exactly what abby is saying and delivering it with that kind of emotion. >> michelle obama, i think, has a reservoir of trust with voters that hillary clinton has struggled with. that when people feel when hillary clinton gives a personal speech when she draws on her own emotion that there's another agenda at work. that there are doubts that people bring. but the part that is because voters have experienced her, you know, for 30 years as a political figure. i think one thing that michelle obama has been able to do incredibly effectively for eight years is that she's largely been seen as a mother first. as a wife and supporter for barack obama. she doesn't go out and give overtly obviously partisan speeches. but she's also -- not to take anything away from the content of her speech, but she's also a great performer. i think she knows how to connect with crowds and use her voice, use her hands and use pauses and body language in a way that just reinforces not only how personal she's getting at, but also the sevilcivility that i think a lo americans still aspire to or for ourselves in our politics. >> messages often necessarily matched by the messenger. michelle obama was somebody in 2008, if you can't take care of your own house, you can't take care of the white house. she is talking about the clintons and a perception of imora imorality. that has been exposed in the rest of the media. and she used that to say, how about what we're learning and what our kids are learning for the first time. that really resonated with me. i remember that with bill clinton when all that discussion about all the oral sex and all that stuff and how kids were hearing that for the first time. what is the impact on those voters who are still deciding? >> look, some of that is generational. when the impeachment was going on i wasn't married and didn't have kids. my son is coming to me now. telling as an 11-year-old what he thinks of all this stuff. i think of michelle obama as giving people permission to feel what they already knew. for women who wanted the country to move forward and wanted the culture to move forward. for this to not be okay, it's almost something akin to what we saw during the clearance thomas hearings where sexual harassment in the workplace and the standard shifted because we had essentially a national conversation about it. that's what i saw michelle obama as doing. sort of pushing things so that it will never be the same for the next presidential candidate. that hot mike moment and discussions about sexual harassment and sexual assault. they're going to be very different. >> we have less than five seconds. is michelle obama ever going to run for office? >> no. >> too smart. >> there you go. that's what makes her, in part, popular. thank you very much, panel. a computer glitch overnight that has caused flight delays nationwide for a major airline. what it could mean for you if you're flying today or if you're christine romans. we'll explain. prepare for challenges specific to your business by working with trusted advisors who help turn obstacles into opportunities. experience the power of being understood. rsm. audit, tax and consulting for the middle market. pure is big, bold, bright and just better. that's why at mccormick pure flavor is our mission. so you can realize the rich taste of pure flavor. after all, the smallest pinch of mccormick can make meals legendary. because pure tastes better. afoot and light-hearted i take to the open road. healthy, free, the world before me, the long brown path before me leading wherever i choose. the east and the west are mine. the north and the south are mine. all seems beautiful to me. put some manwich on the table... and give boring weeknight meals, the night off. ♪make tonight a manwich night yeahashtag "stuffy nose."old. hashtag "no sleep." i got it. hashtag "mouthbreather." yep. we've got a mouthbreather. well, just put on a breathe right strip and ... pow! it instantly opens your nose up to 38% more than cold medicine alone. so you can breathe ... and sleep. shut your mouth and say goodnight mouthbreathers. breathe right. time now for the five things you need to know for your new day. donald trump that he made sexual edadvance advances. tru trump's hands were everywhere during the alleged incident one more than 30 years ago. michelle obama on the trail saying look what has been done through the lens of decency. calling trump's lewd comments and his behavior towards women disgraceful, intolerable and not normal. pentagon officials warning iran backed rebels that the u.s. will strike again if iran moves its warships off yemen's coast. struck three radar installations in yemen in response to attempted attacks. extending a cease-fire with farc rebels through the end of the year in an effort to strike a new peace deal. hoping to strike a peace accord to end five decades of war. voters rejected the deal in a national referendum. overnight, united airlines experienced a computer glitch causing flight delays around the world. the airline says the issue has been resolved. it is working to get customers to their destinations as soon as possible. for more on the five things to know, go to newdaycnn.com for all of the latest. the wikileaks release of hacked clinton e-mails giving new ammunition to the trump campaign. what is actually in the e-mails and how are they being described to you by the trump campaign? there is a difference. we'll take you through it, next. here is the fact about where the wikileaks hacks come from. the there is growing evidence russia is behind the hacking. they belong to john podesta and her opponents, especially trump, for using them against her. but what they say and how they're used not always the same thing. here to take us through, cnn political analyst and editor in chief of "the daily beast" john avalon. you believe we're glossing over the source of this information and it bothers you. >> it's fundamental that we need to confront the fact that homeland security and other agencies say that senior officials have hacked this information with an eye towards impacting the election. one of the questions and part of the russian playbook is not only hacking information, but doctoring some of it. we can't know, we don't know what, if anything, has been doctored. but this whole conversation and many of the e-mails seem authentic but may not be entirely be and need to be understood against that backdrop. >> they're only doing it to one side. so, latinos is one of the e-mail back and forths that they've seized on the trump campaign. here's his son, eric, talking about it. >> it is, you know, they talk about us being the party of bigotry and the party of hate and assange comes along and releases these e-mails. >> so, he's saying look at what they say about latinos in here. here's the e-mail he's probably talking about. >> this is an e-mail from podesta talking about reaching out to prominent officials like bill richardson but has the subject line latinos and the text of the e-mail itself, that fact you get endorsements. citing this and praising julian assange and the fact that roger stone is talking about back channeling with wikileaks makes this whole series of e-mails really fascinating and troubling. >> you see bigotry in this? >> i see at the very least -- >> donald trump jumped on this. here's what he said. >> the new e-mails show members of the clinton team viciously attacking catholics and evangelicals. they attack catholics and evangelicals viciously. anybody of religion, i think you have to vote for donald trump to be honest. >> right. so, here's the e-mail. >> what trump meant to say was, but, i mean, these e-mails, chris, i really rough. you know, these e-mails. but then, again, john podesta is catholic. palmieri is catholic and this isn't deurg the campaign when they were working in 2011 talking about this dynamic. what do you see in the e-mails justifying clinton hating catholics. >> it really showed a liberal elite dismissiveness towards fate. they're talking about in this case that rupert murdoch's kids were raised catholics and the most socially acceptable political conservative religion. that language is almost stereo typical dismissive of people of faith. >> but they are catholics talking about their own faith. >> at least podesto and palmieri. it really does confirm some of the most stereotypical. >> the third one that i think we should get to is this back and forth between doug ban who is bill clinton's real main man who, you know, works with him on a day-to-day basis and chelsea clinton. she had said that i think doug ban is abusing using my father tahelp his own corporate interests and then this e-mail pops up. >> that's right. i should say here that chelsea clinton is on the board of ic, which is the parent company of "the daily beast" where i'm editor in chief, but this exchange is extraordinary. chelsea clinton is trying to raise a red flag early on saying there are at the very least perception problems shaken up people at state -- >> that's how the trump campaign is using this. pay for play. >> i don't see pay for play and i see an enormous amount of bad blood and one of the mysteries of this campaign is how political professionals like the clintons have been clueless about the perception of many of their decisions when they're preparing a run for president. at least this e-mail exchange indicates that one person was trying to wave their hands and say a perception problem here at the very least and a lot of bad blood between staff and family that can happen too often in politics. >> john, thank you very much, appreciate it. a frantic scene at the london zoo after a gorilla breaks out of his enclosure. we'll tell you what happened and how it all turned out, next. 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>> run? >> no, you die. there's nothing you can do. you win. what i want to know, how long it took after that dart hit him did he go down. all right, bring on the cubs. >> disappointed you in, cuomo. you get in an arm wrestle and you dominate. >> that's you, coy. you have arms the size of pythons. tell us what's happening in the sports world, my friend. >> what a game last night. win or go home in washington. the dodgers clayton kershaw showing why he is considered the best pitcher on the planet. let's skip ahead to the bottom of the ninth inning. dodgers are up 4-3 on the road. dodgers closer though, jensen in trouble. he walks jayson werth to put him on second. comes in to pitch from the bull pen for the first time in seven years. he's supposed to be resting, guys. he just pitched on tuesday before the game, there is no way kershaw would be available to pitch, but he rallies, he digs deep. he gets the last two outs of the game and the first save of his career advancing his team. the dodgers win 4-3 and now they have a date with the chicago cubs at wrigley field on saturday. don't forget tonight over in the american league championship series toronto and cleveland at 8:00 eastern on our sister station tbs. thursday night football action. told you it was going to be a good game. broncos and chargers going into this game. the chargers had blown fourth quarter lead in four of the five times they played this season. looking like that was going to happen, again. broncos get the on-side kick late in the game and they get a shot with a hail mary and chargers fans are like, no, not again. we're not going talose. you're right, they hang on for the win, denver all kind of quarterback trouble, alisyn. peyton manning is off doing commercials and the broncos they don't look so good. >> that was a good play on the nationwide commercials that peyton does. nicely done, coy wire. >> coy, fantastic, as always. all right. back to politics. donald trump is intensifying attacks against those e-mail accusers. can he turn this around with female voters before election day? 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>> reporter: and later again in delaware county. she preaches to the choir, pennsylvania women already all in for trump. despite his lewd language caught on tape and the new multiple allegations of groping. >> i'm voting for donald trump. >> reporter: you sound a little reluctant when you say that. >> well, i think it's just been a hard road. >> he wasn't saying what he does to women, per se. i think he was just bragging. >> reporter: team trump is hoping local media coverage will help with the political reality, not reflected inside these suburban philly events. gop officials privately tell us that donald trump's 2005 comments hurt him big time here, especially among women. a new poll shows trump trailing hillary clinton by a whopping 43% among female voters right here in the philly suburbs. >> the suburbs of philadelphia because we got to get that vote. we want to get that vote. >> donald trump is a changed candidate and the right person to get things done. >> reporter: a group called women for trump is feverishly trying to do just that, even those who are not thrilled with his behavior. >> i'm a feminist. of course, it bothered me. however, the topics that are facing this country are far greater than the words on that tape. >> reporter: on the suburban philadelphia streets, some female trump supporters say they're motivated by their opposition to hillary clinton. >> i think she's a liar, i think she's a fraud. i think she covers up a lot of things. >> reporter: but the owner of this yoga studio in westchester, pa, says her female clients are now more likely to vote hillary. >> i'm hearing a lot of women that are really starting to dig their heels in and feel empowered about themselves based upon what's happening in the campaign. >> reporter: even some who say she is hardly their first choice. >> if it were any other republican candidate, maybe i would. like try to write bernie in, but it's just not the time. >> reporter: democrats at this clinton phone bank say trump is making their jobs easier. >> a number of people have said to me what was a sort of i will hold my nose and vote for secretary clinton has turned into steadfast support. >> reporter: the question is whether ivanka or any trump can turn that around in under four weeks. dana bash, cnn, malburn, pennsylvania. >> so, the battle for female voters. is it too late for donald trump to turn it around with women in light of the aldpagz legations sexual assault. let's discuss it with kerstin powers and a veteran of two veteran gop presidential campaigns. ladies, great to have both of you here. donald trump says that very soon he will be presenting evidence that proves that these allegations, that these, at least five women, have come forward with are not true. but, thus far, kerstin, what he has decided to do is go after the women coming forward with these allegations and let me play for you a snippet of what he said yesterday about one of them. >> take a look. you take a look. look at her. look at her words. you tell me what you think. i don't think so. i don't think so. >> what did that mean to you? take a look at her, take a look at her words. i don't think so. >> well, i think i've heard some trump supporters trying to defend him. but to me it was pretty clear hat he w that he was saying, look at her. she is not attractive enough for me to sexually assault because sexual assault isn't about lust, it's about power and about abuse. but i don't find it all that surprising considering the things that he has said in the past in terms of defending roger ailes for sexually harassing women and saying himself if his daughter was sexually harassed he said this to me in an interview, find another job. his son is now on tape. donald jr. in a 2013 interview that buzz feed just posted basically saying women who can't handle sexual harassment should become kindergarten teachers. so, there is a really, there's an underlying belief system here that i think a lot of women are sort of tapping into and i think that dana bash's piece was just fascinating. hearing about women who are saying, i was going to hold my nose. i heard this from other people, too. i was going to hold my nose and now an opportunity for women to stand up for themselves and say i am going to vote against misogy misogyny. >> if he does not come forward with some sort of proof these didn't happen. i don't know how you prove a negative. how do you prove you never tried to kiss someone, but then what happens if he doesn't? >> i don't think it matters one way or another if he does or doesn't. what he's trying to do is deflect. he's trying to change the story. this is what he did before the debate by bringing the accusers of bill clinton to the debate. take a story going negatively against him and spin it around in his favor. which is an effective distraction mechanism. here what is troubling for me. first of l trouble having leading republican men in the party talk to their wives and stand up against donald trump. >> did you feel it's too late? >> against these sexual assault charges, that was the last shoe to drop and that caused many, many men to stand up and that is critical because there has been this normalization. i mean, the reason michelle obama yesterday said this is not normal is because there has been a normalization of trump's behavior. as if this is not criminal behavior. >> as though it's locker room talk. >> it is not lock er room talk. what is disheartening for republicans is that the other shoe, i mean, this is really having a significant impact on down ballot races. for republicans like me who do not think there is any hope for holding the presidency, but hope to goodness that we can hold the senate and keep some of these really moderate seats in the house of representatives so that paul ryan has a majority. this is having a really consequential effect. >> it is also having a big effect on his poll numbers. let's look at the latest fox news poll here. these are likely voters and these are women. clinton is 19 points ahead of women with suburban women she is now 24 points ahead of him. kirsten, why was this the inflection point. why over this crazy race of a year and a half of all the inflammatory things and frankly the audiotape frankly from "access hollywood" of what he said he want tad do with women, why was that the tipping point? >> there's something very powerful about hearing somebody in their own words, for one thing. i think hearing the tape of it and i think it involves sexual assault and it involves, you know, a threat against women, i think that you sort of laive in fear of being attacked. for women, i think when i did hear that woman in the dana bash piece say there are so many other issues and i have heard this from the few women, the trump supporters i have spoken to. saying there are so many other issues. you know, it's a much bigger issue than trade, for example. you know -- >> very quickly. hold on. i want to give you the last word, margaret. we only have ten seconds. what if today he was to get back to the issues, he would look presidential like the man we saw at the podium. can he turn it around? >> the polling bears out that the bottom is dropping out with women. if he can't hold the 70%, i mean, john mccain won 89% of republican women and mitt romney 93% of republican women. the bottom has dropped out, it has only gotten worse since then. i don't know if he can change this with women. >> margaret, kirsten, thank you very much. we're following a lot of news this morning. let's get right to it. >> his hands were everywhere. >> these events never, ever happened. >> textbook definition of sexual assault. >> it is cruel and the truth is, it hurts. >> these vicious claims are totally and absolutely false. and the clintons know it. >> be clear, this is not normal. >> this is a conspeiracy agains you, the american people. >> this is not who wins the election, it is bigger than that. >> remember when they go low, we go -- >> this is "new day" with chris cuomo and alisyn camerota. we have a lot to talk about in this show. good morning, everyone. donald trump angrily denying allegations of unwanted sexual advances calling them pure fiction and outright lies. >> the person calling trump out the most is not hillary clinton, it's first lady michelle obama. she delivered a blistering rebuke of trump for bragging about sexually assaulting women on video. the stakes could not be higher right now. you've got just 25 days until the big election. and only five days until the third and final clinton/trump debate. we have it all fcovered for you. there's lots of news. let's begin with brianna keilar live in washington. good morning. >> good morning. this race is getting nastier and more contentious. you had first lady michelle obama in new hampshire and sharply denouncing the nominee and donald trump is defending himself. he is lashing out against people in his own party as his poll numbers keep dropping. >> this is a struggle for the survival of our