including two blackberries. some older people have blackberries. and there s nothing wrong with having a blackberry. i don t even know what we re talking about. the point is, what it appears is, every time michael cohen changed phones, he kept his old phone. which means what to you? presumably he didn t erase that phone. even if he did, if he didn t erase it forensically, the fbi has all of those phones. you could be talking about communications dating back, five, seven, ten years, with any number of individuals, mr. trump, mr. hannity, others. you re saying too many phones can be a negative inference. there s a rapper who talks about an additional phone is an indicated phone for narcotics trade. you don t know what those phones were for. no. my point is different. the treasure trove of documents
cohen being i m dieted and once that happens the analysis changes pretty significantly. let me get katie go on, michael. i agree with that but there s also a number of cases and we cited in our briefing that holds that even in the face of an indictment it doesn t necessarily follow that a stay is ordered, but i agree that it gets a lot closer to that result. katie, i want to bring you in here. just so people get the scope of what michael cohen is facing, not only is he facing the prospect of having to face michael avenatti on the civil suit to get out of this agreement at this point i don t know why he doesn t just drop it, but anyway he s facing potential wire fraud, bank fraud, campaign finance violations and he is also facing the history here. michael flynn who was donald trump s national security adviser has already pleaded guilty, paul manafort indicted, rick gates pleaded guilty and cooperating, george papadopoulos pleaded guilty. can you just sort of give the lay viewe
investigation. there s also, barbara, this reporting the great wayne barrett reported extensively about rudy giuliani s ties to the new york fbi, one piece of it, hours after jim comey sent his letter about renewing the probe on the clinton e-mails and after that was released, giuliani went on a radio show and attributed the director s surprise action to the pressure of a group of fbi agents who don t look at it politically. quote, the other rumor that i get, this is giuliani speaks that there s a kind of revolution going on inside the fbi about the original conclusion not to charge clinton being completely unjustified and a slap in the face to the fbi s integrity. i know that from former agents, even from a few active agents. somebody who s operating in new york city, there is a sense that rudy giuliani had this special relationship with law enforcement and with the fbi. did you get the sense that as mayor, i don t know, what do you make of this whole thing, of him being so tied to do
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that to michael cohen, i know you re not a snitch, is that interfering with a witness? donald trump has done so many things to me that seem like interference with witnesses, the pardon o joe arpaio, scooter lib by, are clearly intended to influence witnesses and to say i ve got your back, i ll pardon you, don t worry about this, don t cooperate, lie, you can be in contempt of court, i ll still pardon you. so yes, this is one more aspect of it. but i think that cohen has to think about, he also has state crimes that he could be facing. and would he rather serve his time in a federal prison or in a state prison? he s going to obviously opt for the federal prison system instead of the state prison system. so we have to just see whether he will or won t. he said i would take a bullet for the president, which is something gordon liddy side during watergate, and gordon liddy lived up to it.