obama-biden relationship that is so critical to the former vice president s campaign. this is the first time publicly we re seeing them together since biden announced his candidacy in april. i say publicly because aides to both men tell me they ve continued to speak and meet in person often during that time. we know they both attended a graduation for obama s daughter, biden s granddaughter a few months ago. they ve had a fairly regular interaction. we would expect after the service today, as the service breaks up, there will certainly be an opportunity for the two of them to connect. for biden, of course, we hear him mention the president often on the campaign trail. just last week he said at a fund-raiser he speaks to the president a lot. we ve heard from him in scranton the other day, talking about both on a policy basis, how important it is for him to fight for the obama legacy, especially on the affordable care act. also, he jokes about their personal relationship and how, as he p
essentially, with plenty of evidence including a cover-up and including clear evidence of consciousness of guilt that the president of the united states used american taxpayer dollars to and held them hostage with an expectation of favor from the head of a foreign government. he should be concerned, but i don t know that he s ever demonstrated empathy on one end of the scale or consciousness of guilt in any real way on the other end, and so, but i think he s going have to confront the realities of this most latest conduct through the impeachment process. it s also, it s favor from a foreign government, not for the benefit of the united states on a policy basis. correct. it s favor from a personal favor. yeah. i m wondering what you make of the fact that the right, personal favor. president had no problem tweeting a pastor s mention of civil war, that the country could sort golf throuof go throl war. for a president to be invoking the very notion of americans fight
to have to confront the realities of this most latest conduct through the impeachment process. it s also favor from a foreign government not for the benefit of the united states on a policy basis. correct. it s a favor against a candidate a personal favor. yeah. i m wondering what you make of the fact that the right, personal favor. president had no problem tweeting a pastor s mention of civil war, that the country could sort of go through a civil war. for a president to be invoking the very notion of americans fighting against americans over this issue is were you i guess i was going to say were you surprised. we re all speechless. no, we re all speechless. anderson, the last time our country endured a civil war was over america s original sin, slavery. and if donald trump thinks that this is a moment where he s actually being held accountable for his failures as president
and go somewhere where they know the child s going to die, but that s what they re telling them to do, and if they don t they re going to drag them through deportation proceedings. in terms of the next step here, obviously people can get lawyers and try to fight this and try to find some way to argue with the government here are going to do so. do you know if there is a plan to try to challenge this on a policy basis, to try to stop the trump administration from making this wholesale change? yeah, there is definitely an attempt. we ve tried reaching out of course we had no notice of this either which is really problematic. there was no announcement that this program was ending. we were filing applications up until the week before we started getting the notices. there was no notice to the to the immigration attorneys, to the individuals. there was no hint that this was coming. it s still unclear what s going to happen to people already in the program, but there s also an effort
being offered to them? no, essentially what the government is saying is this is a program that was always just sort of at our discretion and that s true on an individual, on a case by case basis, but they re saying they have the power to just eliminate it altogether, which is what they ve done and there is no appeal. i don t know why they came up with 33 days. but, yeah, they re telling these people that they need to leave on their own. and i don t know how they expect parents to pull their children from hospital beds, disconnect them from lifesaving treatment and go somewhere where they know the child s going to die, but that s what they re telling them to do, and if they don t, they re going to drag them through deportation proceedings. in terms of the next step here, obviously people can get lawyers and try to fight this and try to find some way to argue with the government here are going to do so. do you know if there is a plan to try to challenge this on a policy basis, to try