back at their hotels after spending another day interviewing survivors and collecting samples. they'll be coming home on saturday raising speculation that a strike might be on hold until after they're safely out of damascus. when it comes to who's with us, our major ally with us in this, british prime minister david cameron, who's facing his own resistance, but others say they won't join in the strike without u.n. support. as we suspect, that won't happen since russia holds veto power on the u.n. security council. russia is a big assad supporter. assad's other ally is iran which is vowing to strike israel. as a precaution, they're calling to issue gas masks. turkey is constructing bunkers and they're sending experts to the syrian border. because there are so many parts,
we're looking at this in three sections. first, we're looking a the the pentagon, what's going on behind closed doors at the white house and finally the role of congress in all of this. they're being briefed tonight on u.s. intelligence. we start with nbc news pentagon correspondent jim mikel chef ski. how long before we strike? >> once the president gives the go ahead, the order to launch those missile strikes against the syrian regime and much of those chemical delivery targets, it could be a matter of hours because those targets have been put in place for some time now. they tinker with them on a daily basis when they see them move, some military forces and equipment from here to there. they have the basic target set down. to go after those delivery systems, the rocket launchers, ar till ler ris, tanks. again, they emphasize as the president and the white house
sequenc sequences, and as one official said, we'd be doing the same thing. there was a little bit of mutual admiration going on there military to military in the fact that the russians would, in fact, be gathering around what looks like will be some missile strikes out of the med here in a few days. >> all right. it's great to see you. joining us now at the table is former white house mid east advisor, mark ginsburg. great to have you here. underneath it all is our credibility that's on the line. on one end if we don't respond we're sending a message to the world that it's okay to use chemical weapons and we are not able to follow through on our word. on the other end, if we do take action which it sounds like we will, then you're poking a much bigger hole in the hornet's nest. the next question is, what comes up next? >> that's what i tried to address this morning when i wrote an article for the
"huffington post." the morning after is the worst. was the president's goal to punish assad or to deter him or both? if it's to punish him, well, we can fire cruz missiles, he gets his punishment, takes out several control and command centers and god knows what else. if it's to deter him from using chemical weapons again, it is the imponderable that no wironen answer. how many cruz missiles does it take? how many times can we do this before the president leaves for the g-20. the key is not to just punish. it's to deter assad from using the chemical weapons again. >> we're not really committed here to removing assad from power so that's going to be a continued problem. we seem to be wanting to police the conflict. you can do this, you can kill hundreds of thousands of people, but you can't gas them. i understand the humanitarian problem there, but as a military
maybe 1,000, maybe 3,000 and all the other millions who are refugees. so the bottom line is the same. this is not going to solve the fund amt al problem. assad is going to remain in power. this is not an attempt to engage in regime change. if it deters him from using chemical weapons again, then for all intents and purposes the president achieved the goals of what the limited strike is about. >> you know, ambassador, as i've been thinking through this conflict and what our approach should be, i keep thinking about something that lawrence wright wrote. he talks about how in 1983 hezbollah bombed our barracks in lebanon, in beirut, and killed 2841 of our marines. reagan made the decision to pull our troops out of lebanon. meanwhile, osama bin laden was watching these events unfold and essentially learned the lesson that america was cowardly, that they couldn't take a punch in the nose and that emboldened him
to later on launch the attacks that we know he launched. i keep coming back to that because to me it seems like we have to figure out what type of strikes, what targets to strike. but isn't the bottom line here that the president said we have this red line of chemical weapons and if you cross that there will be enormous consequences. if we fail to deliver those enormous consequences, we lose all of our credibility in the reason gone, we lose all of our ability to act as a deterrent. iran is watching this and learning perhaps the same lessons that osama bin laden learned in 1983. >> krystal, the fact is international law was violated. the president's statement of crossing the red line occurred six to eight months ago. syria's used chemical weapons some months ago.
that was played out on america. the lesson was you don't go in the first place. we essentially intervened in a civil war in lebanon, the role then by intervening, the limited role that was designed expanded and it resulted in hundreds of americans being killed. the president with bipartisan support saying we've got to bring these troops home before this gets worse. i think there's a parallel that makes people nervous. yeah, we say this is going to be limited but are we going to get sucked into something bigger here? >> the fact of the matter is i am so against boots on the ground, so against us involving ourselves militarily in a conflict that is beyond our control to shape anymore. i am so against having us be in a situation where we repeat the same mistakes of the past. what this white house wants to do is in effect almost a libya type conflict. sanitized conflict. the white house seems to be
later. >> are you worried about the russians hacking us? >> no, i'm not worried at all. >> russian espionage on the streets of new york city. i take the post of the people in street justice. and even find a little love. >> you're getting married? why question it. >> when you fall in love, what you do? >> you run. justice starts now i will speak with press secretary spicer. first, my opening statement. politics get get in the way a lot. sometimes, even in the way of dying kids. i wanted to start tonight with all the enthusiasm of the first
children's foundation. permit a few differences. eric trump was not penniless or in debt when he started the eric trump foundation. he did not start that foundation to make money, and he certainly did not become rich because of it. here is what his own wife told me in florida. >> he started the eric trump foundation to help kids with cancer. in fact, he such a humble guy, i didn't i didn't even know about it. he started at the year before we met and it was almost like he didn't want to toot his own horn to say look what i did. >> on the show, i remember him saying that 100% of the proceeds go to the kids. >> it's very important to eric. this is something he has always worked so hard for. he works his hardest at the eric trump foundation, and i have seen him negotiate pennies off
accomplishments like the intensive care unit at st. jude's opened in february 2015 before his dad was ever a candidate for anything. all the monies raised, almost 100%, given to the charity for the foundation. millions, almost 20 million operated with one employee. eric shouldering operating costs himself. so this past christmas eve, those children not dreaming of toys or sugarplum fairies, but the ones praying there next chemo or lead transfusion wouldn't hurt so much. some even praying that death wouldn't visit their rooms that night, hoping maybe, just maybe, an angel would come with a gift. not a gift of toys, but the gift
of life all because of a young man named eric. they lost that night. yes, it was the unluckiest of them all who suffered that night because a young man who did nothing but good for all the right reasons could not continue to do good, because evil was assumed to be the norm as scrooge and the ghost of the clintons past visited the eric trump foundation and the children who benefited. that is my (tell me what you think of my facebook page or twitter. hashtag judge janine. joining me me now by phone, president-elect trump son, and executive director of the trump organization and founder of the eric trump foundation, eric trump aired this is his first television interview since
expense ratio for charities in the world. we are so fortunate. it's one of the great benefits or perks of having a great organization with great assets that you can use practically for free. we raised so much money for st. jude's. the second someone is elected into public office, you're you're no longer given the benefit of the doubt. no matter how good your track record was or how much great you've done, you're no longer given the elephant of the doubt and sadly, at the the end of the day, the only people who lose as you said so wellin your opening, the only people who lose are some of the sickest kids in the world and those are the kids at saint jude. jeanine: the new york times originally question how much you gave and said there wasn't any evidence to support it and just yesterday, apparently they seem to indicate that clearly you had given well over $16 million.
was there any satisfaction from that. >> i thought it was very nice that they came around and actually admitted how much they donated to the hospital and they said very nice things which was very vindicating. i think there are some people who have said nasty things over the years and that's the political world that we as a family now live in. it's the reality. there will be people who go out and make statements to sensationalize whatever they can and sell newspapers and we will deal with that for the next four or eight years. jeanine: but you know, eric, that must frustrate you because you're not in office, you're not, you're not in the government. we haven't seen you pretty much of since the election because you and your brother that we saw so often are now back in the business. your father is getting ready to run the business of the country, and he has been, actually, since he was elected. does this frustrate you?
>> yes it's frustrating and it's a narrative they will try to keep up for the next four or eight years and it will be a narrative of harassment. sadly again, it's too long. it's millions and millions of dollars going to the best pediatric research hospital anywhere in the world and that's sad. that is the game that gets played with politics. even if you said there is something to do with the administration, it will be the quagmire that we as a family live in for a long period of time. >> did you expect it would be this difficult, eric? >> it's been amazing. when i see my father save jobs all over the place, when you see what happened with ford. jeanine: but for you personally eric. >> i think we all knew when he
jeanine: america is were ready to welcome a new president in less than two weeks, but not everybody's onboard. in fact, some, some people on the left are doing their best to subvert democracy and the american way by encouraging people to not even give the incoming president a chance to lead. the chance that he earned, fair and square, back in november. here is left-wing movie director michael moore right after the election talking about what he and his followers are going to be doing in the days up to and beyond the inauguration while donald trump is working tirelessly to fix the country. >> we are going to resist, we were going to oppose pratt this will be a massive resistance. there is already, women are calling for 1 million women march. jeanine: okay so it's indicative of a movement on the left to delegitimize the new president. joining me now to talk about that and more is white house press secretary sean slicer. jeanine: it was really an emotional piece.
his foundation that he is forced to separate himself from from because nothing that he has done, he's not even in the government, but because of the behavior, i believe the clintons and all of the attacks on that foundation that i believe were legitimate, but now we have people saying, let's stop president trump before he even gets there. the man hasn't stopped working. how are you going to convince these people that donald trump was elected fair and square and let's give the man a chance. >> there's a couple things, judge. first, it is sad that eric trump worked so hard for st. jude's because the only people who lose are those children are the children of st. jude. it is sad because the losers are the people they worked so hard
to help. getting to your question, look, on november 8, donald trump 130 straight trump 130 states. nine of 13 battleground states, over 2600 counties and flipped counties that barack obama carried in 2012. i'm not sure how much more resounding of a win win you can get. the movement that he led spoke loud and clearly on election day more portly, to your point, since he took that stage at 2:50 am and talked about uniting all americans, he has worked tirelessly, not only to put together probably the most amazing cabinet ever seen, but to get results whether it's carrier or sprint and talking about thousands of jobs that he is personally working to bring back to this country, or saving the american taxpayers millions and billions of dollars through his work to lower the cost of on of air force one.
a guy who is still 13 days from office still has a track record as president elect that most would like to have as president. jeanine: but sean, the positive that the president-elect can talk about are clear. i think that most people are blown away by the fact that the man is even working 247, but more importantly, it's not just democrat or progressive or left, it's almost anarchist or communist, revolutionary communists taking out ads thing we've got to stop this man. is there concern for the inauguration? they're talking about protest, do whatever they can to stop donald trump. >> look, i think more more of these individuals are finding themselves in the minority. there will be a historic record of people because the movement
that donald trump has led is a movement of change, a movement that finally taps into the frustration that so many american workers are finally saying thank you for in understanding what i've been saying for so long and been so forgotten. i think that inauguration is going to be a historic one in that it won't just be an amazing day, but it will be the beginning of an amazing eight years for donald trump. at some point the facts will become overwhelming because the number of successes he has both domestically and internationally. at some point, you have to say wow, he has saved the job of a friend or family member. he has lifted up the wages, my healthcare has gone down and i can see the doctor i talked about. i have more educational choices. the inner cities are better. the roads and bridges and infrastructure are getting repaired the way they should of. jeanine: democrats, right now, are being so obstructionist that they're saying we've got all of these ethical hurdles, before we
even get to the confirmation hearing spread i've never heard of these ethical procedures or hurdles that they have to overcome first. have you? >> no, you didn't didn't hear about him in 2008 when she chuck schumer voted 42 times to look the other way on democrats that will weren't seeking appointment in the obama administration. you didn't see them when the republicans voted seven of those nominees their confirmation votes on day one and five more the next time and 13 by voice well. republicans acted professionally and responsibly in 2008 and recognize that the president has an opportunity to have the people that are qualified to be in the cabinet. donald trump, as president elect has selected the most qualified cabinet in modern history, if not ever. i think they're getting split by schumer because he's trying to play a political game, but most
democrats recognize that the movement wasn't just about republicans but it was about democrats and independents and many of their own constituents. you take a state like missouri where president electra carried it by 19 points but i don't think claire mccaskill is going to want to vote against that kind of overwhelming message when it comes to confirmation pics. not only are they qualified but she has to recognize that she has the answer to her constituents if she doesn't understand the change they voted for in missouri and other states around the country. jeanine: donald trump has an opportunity to continue to change the landscape of those elections going forward. sean, thanks so much for being with us. >> thank you. jeanine: i'm joined by someone calling for protest against president-elect trump. this is a debate you are not going to want to miss. then the congressman is here to talk about the incoming administration as well as his home state of california and their curious move involving attorney general eric holder. >> are you worried about the
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countdown to inauguration day is still on, but some still refuse to accept the reality. my next guest is one of many attempting to delegitimize trump's presidency before it even begins. at the national spokesperson for the communist party in the united states. he joined me now. carl thanks for being on tonight. i was fascinated like many, with the ad in the new york times that said something like know in the name of humanity, we refuse to accept a fascist america. i'm not wondering the read the whole thing but it pretty much says we have to stop the trump pens regime before it starts. we don't have a lot of time so i asked some direct questions. call, how are you going to stop the trump hands regime.
he was elected fair and square. the electoral college has been certified. were getting ready to roll. what are you going to do to stop them. >> look, no election, fair or foul should legitimize a fascist regime, and that is what the trump pants regime is. donald trump campaigned as a fascist, he has assembled a team to carry out that fascist agenda, we've seen this before. the demon nation. he spent the christmas holidays, a time that supposed to be peace on earth and will toward men talked tweeting about a new nuclear arms race. this is what he campaigned on, this is --. jeanine: what about, you want to talk about delegitimizing. i have to be honest, donald trump is something i believe in. let me just say this. aren't you delegitimizing the election in the constitution because you don't like the guy. >> i don't like the guy, but what i don't like like is the agenda he campaigned on.
jeanine: but he won. >> host: but that's what millions and millions of people don't like and they are right not to like it. we have seen this before. hitler came to power through legitimate means. jeanine: you're not comparing donald trump to hitler are you. >> right, he's different than hitler. he doesn't have that little black mustache, he has the orange squirrel on his head, but he has the agenda of a hitler. jeanine: carl -- >> we have to talk about the fascist quality of this regime. jeanine: why don't they have anxiety and fear before donald trump and he hasn't done anything. where is the ink anxiety and fear. >> it's based upon what he campaigned on. muslim registry. people who burn the flag should have citizenship taken away.
this is illegitimate, and it also will be a form of rule that suppresses the civil liberty to fight against these. people have a right to be fearful and that is why we took out this ad and why we are calling on people. refuse fascism.org is calling on people to take to the streets, to display and manifest their refusal to accept -- jeanine: let's assume they do. what if people come into the streets and do what. >> come to the streets in washington d.c. where i will be and everywhere else and do everything to show their refusal to accept this regime. nonviolent civil disobedience. protesting in other ways. candlelight vigils. however people want to do it but business as usual in this society has got to be stopped to prevent the trump pence regime.
jeanine: are you an anarchist or a communist. >> it's real clear. i told you i was a communist and i will come and talk too about communism. bring me on another show. jeanine: okay, alright. i wish we had more time. i will bring you on again. >> tonight i want to talk about stomping this fascist regime. jeanine: i'm worried about how far you're willing to go. >> refuse fascism.org. jeanine: thank you. darrell darrell issa still ahead >> my friend is getting engaged today. >> that's so sweet. why would anyone get married but i want to serve justice on russian hacking. at judge justice like you've never seen.
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jackie vonya senior. a deadly explosion a row along the syrian turkish border claims nearly 50 lives injuring 100 others. there has been no claim of responsibility but local leaders are joining isis for the blast at this point it is a fuel truck parked in front of the busy area was rigged to explode. the town opposition buyers to move between syria and turkey. meeting in easter muzzle to discuss progress in taking the second-largest city from isis. the army defensive is in his 12th week in gaining momentum. iraqi forces are getting back to u.s. led coalition's iraqi forces cleared of several neighborhoods in eastern mosul over the past week. isis has held mosul from within two years. i am jackie yvonne yes and now back "justice with judge jeanine." jeanine: as busy as we close in
on just 12 days until the inauguration of our 45th president. joining me now is my political panel are old friends chairman republican strategist david allen and making his debut tonight democratic strategist and former consultant to the department of homeland security. thanks for joining us a gentleman. i want to start with the russian hacking issue and i will start with you david on the issue of whether or not their russian hacking issue is one that has given president-elect donald trump's decision to say you know there was some russian influence over the hacking. did he make a turnaround on this and was it enough? >> judge, america and did need vladimir putin to know that hillary clinton was corrupt and lying and believed she was above the law.
it didn't ultimately impact the election just as in 1960 nikita khrushchev believed he influenced the election when he held you too pilots against his power and wouldn't release him. he believed that hurt nixon. he didn't hurt nixon's chances of getting elected and putin didn't hurt quentin's chances of getting elected. it's a lot about nothing. jeanine: hasn't everybody been spying on everybody for decades? isn't this what looks to read about all of a sudden we are so shocked? >> judge, you are right. we been spying on them and they been spying on us and this is done all the time but to actually weapon eyes the information, to put it out there to change the election results, to actually create fake news to hack into the system. jeanine: i have to stop you. there is nothing in those
e-mails that was never contested c it's not just the e-mails that they put out. actually have russian tv which is television it networks that claimed the united states created neck a chamber to put fakeness information as well as e-mails. election staff. they talked about that the elections are rigged. they kept on putting information out there. that is a documented fact from both the fbi, the nsa and the cia who put out a detailed report. judge, let me jump in here second. jeanine: there's no discussion of any election machines or any numbers being impacted. c absolutely. >> a bigger impact here for want to talk about how a hack impacted the election although the opm records that got taken
by some foreign government is now hundreds of thousands of government employees now have all of their records out there. we had a series of breaches of government servers that release personal data on people. the if it came to a point where americans to just started questioning was their personal safety secured and did this administration do enough and ultimately they decided no. they decided their economic security in their personal security were being taken care by this administration and that's why they said it's time to go in a different direction. >> look a bit at some point we are going to have to start putting our country head of our party. someone hacking into e-mails and releasing information, someone coming into our country to undermine our elections? we have crossed the line. >> had hillary clinton not have a server.
>> president-elect donald trump, i will even say he's got a chance but the fact that the russians came in packs into our system and try to undermine elections, he's got to admit to that and you have to admit that and we have got to go on and start making them pay a price for that. jeanine: mustafa, didn't hillary clinton choose putin -- accuse putin of doing something like that and i hear he was giving even with her. david from are you familiar with that? >> vaguely. jeanine: go ahead. >> judge, look putin basically had a vendetta against her because she tried to expose him. she went to the u.n. and made a speech exposing the fact that he was rigging the election so she did her job as secretary of state showing the fact that putin was doing all sorts of underhanded things in terms of breaking their elections. he took it personal offense to
it. he then came into the united states to undermine our elections not only to spy on us but to basically create a news channel in our country to use social media. c what voting machines at rates that impacted the results? what voting machine got rates that truly -- jeanine: thank you for being with us. street justice still ahead and congressman darryl issa, next. something wrong? so when it comes to pain relievers, why put up with just part of a day? you want the whole thing? yes, yes! live whole. not part. aleve. that newly listed ranch and wait will be gone.ed for a mortgage, or, you could push that button. sfx: rocket launching. skip the bank. get approved in minutes. lift the burden of getting a home loan with rocket mortgage by quicken loans. (whisper) rocket
joining me to talk about that a more republican congressmen darryl issa senior member of the house foreign affairs committee. do they even know what they are hiring him to fight with trump about? >> no, they really don't judge. i can't believe i said that. long long story and i will tell you later but judge cometh one of those amazing things. they are hiring him for the same reason when i became chairman of the oversight committee they increase their staff at the white house in a way of lawyers even before i had asked for the first piece of information. for whatever reason the left-leaning, far left legislature in california wants to fight this administration on anything and everything so they can keep doing what they are doing. jeanine: is in california broke? >> they are certainly upside down. they have the highest income tax the nation, 13.3%, 8.5 plus%
sales tax and they have a budget deficit and businesses are leaving california. one of the greatest states to work and live in except for the government we have. jeanine: you question whether eric holder should even be practicing law, congressman. >> well it's the only constitutional officer ever held in contempt by congress. he lied to congress and in fact withheld information. we haven't missed him since he left because in fact he was somebody that had no respect for the law they were sworn to defend. jeanine: this retainer into law firm firm that he is in washington d.c. do we have any idea how big it is? >> well i suspect it's in the seven figures. jeanine: seven s. in millions? >> in the millions. air colder doesn't come cheap. he is quite a name and he's a rainmaker there but again this is somebody who lying to
congress should have lost his bar license. jeanine: interesting that he didn't. let's move onto donald trump and what he's done even before the white house. the latest this week's ford and we heard about carrier a few weeks ago and now ford. you have got mark fields -- mark fields was talking about the ford plant in what they are doing. >> i had dinner with mark fields in las vegas at the consumer electronics electronic show just last night. he's excited about a better business climate one in which ford can make investments in the united states and have them pay off and that's a result of this election. you are going to see other companies do that as you say even before president trump is sworn in the part of that is the same reason the stock market has gone up more than 1000 points. they are things you do in anticipation of a good market in their things you do it in anticipation of a government that's not going to be friendly.
right now the stock market and ford motor company are gearing up for a better economy one in which we have lower taxes, lower government spending and a pro-business environment that creates jobs in america. jeanine: there would be no subsidies or anything offered? >> this was a good business decision made by one of the great industrial companies of the world. jeanine: people in michigan even if they didn't vote for him i guess they would benefit, those union's? >> the rank-and-file workers at or motor company a great many of them voted for donald trump even though the union was saying not to. tonight i think they are very happy that they did. jeanine: congressman i think we are going to see a lot more americans happy with donald trump. anyway congressman darryl issa even though you didn't get my name right, thanks for being with us tonight. >> thank you, judge. jeanine: the first justice of 2017 straight ahead.
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jeanine: it's finally time for the first street justice of 2017 that i wanted to find out what people thought about those russian hacking hearings in washington and whether anyone really c when i stumble upon them at the construction site i found true love. take a look. >> i very much doubt it. >> or the russians hacking us? >> i can't hear. you think the redskins are hacking? are the russians hacking us? do we care? >> not really. >> what's the deal? is putin hacking us? >> i believe he is. >> do you think that we hack him too? >> no. >> really? don't you watch the movie's?
>> you are pretty lady. >> don't foreign countries spy on each other over time? >> i don't know. >> do you watch the movie's? are you worried about anything? >> no, i'm not. >> are you on your break? do you want me to leave? are the russians hacking us? >> i don't know. >> do you care? >> not really. >> why is congress having hearings on the? >> they want to distract the public i guess. >> what are you focused on? >> money. >> do you remember the hunt for red october? do remember sean connery -- do you think we do that kind of thing? >> no. >> no, of course not so why is congress having a hearing about hacking? >> democrats are not happy about trump and they have to do whatever they can. >> are you worried about the russians hacking us? >> i'm not worried at all.
all of a sudden russia is a big enemy of the united states of america. what's the problem? >> the reason is the democrats lost and they are trying to come up with a reason. >> that's so sweet. why would anyone get married? are you married? >> 16 lovely years. >> i had 16 lovely years too. you were getting married? why? why? are you getting married? do you know someone is getting engaged to your? >> today? >> they are putting a sign up. they just told me. i'm not lying. you are getting married. why? >> you fall in love you brian. i'm only kidding. >> what is the banners they? what is she going to say? >> i hope she says yes.
>> would have she says not today? >> then we will see what tomorrow brings. >> let me look at the ring in i will tell you what she will say. who is calling? tell him you are talking to me. now listen, show me the ring. oh my god it's gorgeous. >> thank you maam. >> marriage is wonderful, it is. and guess what, he asked her, he raised a giant banner in times square and she said yes. congratulations from all of us. see you at the wedding. back in a moment with a final thought on a man i know all too well. stay tuned. a heart attack can happen without warning. a bayer aspirin regimen can help prevent another heart attack. be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. bayer aspirin.
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immunity. i want it in public. let's go. >> he says he is ready. we have president trump talking in a tweet about mike flynn saying mike flynn should ask for immunity and this say witch hunt. excuse for big loss. donald trump may have got even distracted when a reporter asked a question yesterday. watch what the president did. >> were you trying to tell the justice department to grant immunity to michael flynn? was that your intention? >> the president left the room and not evening signing the orders. asking the vice president to take them. house intel chair devin nunes blaming democrats for the scrutiny he is currently under. >> this is all about the independent commission. they don't want this to be investigated by members of congress or senate. they want an independent commission which is code word for something that lasts a long
time and they can make political hay of it. >> we dive deeper into what we got 24 hours ago. the disclosures considering the trump administration were released in a friday document dump. how much are ivanka trump and jared kushner worth? let's check in with kelly o'donnell. kelly, brief us on the figure that they are worth and the timing of the filings and release. >> reporter: this is a standard part of how white houses operate. they ruire anye working in the administration, whether this president or past presidents, to get personal about finances. typically, that picture isn't as intriguing, interesting or eye popping in some cases. the trump white house brought a lot of wealthy people into government service. that is something we don't always see. also, family members taking official roles in the white house although they are not taking a paycheck. that makes it interesting.
it gives us a window into trump family assets and the kushner family which has an independent wealth in a family business there. so the forms are part of the ordinary course of business. they take on this trump interest level. we are talking not just about the family, but about 180 staffers at the white house who have to provide all of their information about themselves and spouse and bank accounts and investments and businesses. part of why this stands out is we have seen that the team brought in by the president is one of the wealthy to serve in the white house. this morning, a rare look inside trump family wealth. washington power couple and unpaid federal warniorkers, iva trump and jared kushner disclose their business and real estate
investments as part of a do documents release on friday. making public financial disclosures. despite taking themselves out of management roles of businesses, the president's daughter and son-in-law remain beneficiaries of holdings that could be worth more than $731 million. ivanka trump also has a piece of the family's washington, d.c. hotel. her share valued between $5 million and $25 million. assets of a different kind. spot odd white house grounds friday, the top democrat adam schiff. sources tell nbc news he had a private visit with president trump. after schiff viewed the same surveillance information first shown only to republican chairman devin nunes who according to reports was tipped off by white house officials. >> people that probably knew about this. knew about me being there.
the fact of the matter, that doesn't make them the source of my information. >> reporter: president trump injected himself into the fray by tweeting about his ousted national security adviser. michael flynn should ask for immunity. calling the investigation of flynn's ties to russia a witch hunt. the president had a different view last fall. >> if you're not guilty of a crime, why do you need immunity? >> back then, flynn agreed. >> that means you probably committed a crime. >> reporter: now flynn's lawyer says he has a story to tell and is interested in pursuing an immunity deal. talking with sources involved in the work on the intelligence committees, i'm told the attorney for michael flynn has not made a formal request for immunity to the committee, but spoken publicly about seeking that protection for his client. we are told that the timeline for this is early. the committees are just getting
going on their work. they have to do more investigation before they would know what it is that michael flynn could offer or willing to consider immunity. we are ahead of the game here. it also is a case that there is a separate investigation being done by the department of justice and the committees don't want to interfere with that. immunity seems far off. not completely off the table, but unlikely based on the people we talk to now. thomas. >> i expect a good lawyer would get assurances over unfair prosecution. kelly, thanks so much. the senate intelligence committee denied flynn's immunity request so far. a senior official made the same offer to the justice department. >> for the justice department to agree to give somebody like him immunity means they want him to turn and testify against someone higher up in the food chain. who is higher up in the food
there are many democrats watching this in a fever dream over what is taking place. they are letting themselves get the cart before the horse on this. from your perspective of the house intel committee and the reports we have and knowing that flynn was an unregistered foreign agent for the turkey government, is that a big concern for the united states and the department of justice and the house intel committee to take a hard look at the actions of general flynn? >> i think the justice department will look at the registration and those types of things. i think obviously people are aware or were aware that general flynn was doing work with the turks. whether that qualified for regulations remains to be seen. they need to look at the more serious issues. they need to look at the total involvement of the russians in
u.s. politics and business and trying to influence what goes on here in the united states. they will take a hard look at what was going on in the last days of the obama administration with the various transcripts and various intelligence reports that included trump transition personnel and where they went and who had them and who authorized them about the unmasking. the intelligence committee both of them, will have a tremendous amount of work to do over the next 6 to 12 months. >> do you believe russia interfered with the election and president trump was the benefactor? >> number one, i believe the russians were involved. i think this is an interesting thing. how were they involved in 2016 and 2012 and then 2008? i think it is unclear there was
a single beneficiary. i think there were issues with james comey testifying a couple weeks ago. it is obvious they hated hillary clinton. we know that. there are also concerns about some of the policies that a potential president trump would be involved in. you know, i don't get to that nexus yet that the director did. oh, they hated hillary, so obviously they were for trump. i would like to see the intelligence and intelligence sourcing that the director of the fbi had. how close do we have human assets that provided information that enabled the director of the fbi to make that type of conclusion or is this something that -- >> do you not believe president trump? >> what? >> do you not believe president trump? >> what do you mean?
>> on the campaign trail. he said he had a good relationship with russia and vladimir putin. they do good things. you don't believe president trump? there's the evidence. human evidence you are looking for coming from the president. he has a relationship with vladimir putin. he respects him as a world leader. >> that doesn't necessarily mean that putin is believing that i need to get this guy in here because i have a relationship with him. no, i'm looking for the specific intelligence that is only available to our intelligence community that enables the director of the fbi to come out and so definitively declare the relationship or the activities by russia clearly were to favor candidate trump in an election where every pundit was saying hillary clinton was going to be
the overwhelming victor on november 8th. let's see the intelligence that enables it to be. do we have that intelligence? i don't know. >> former congress member pete hoekstra, thank you. security officials are exploring the reason behind the sudden ban on laptops on flights from several middle east airports. nbc's pete williams. >> reporter: now u.s. officials say one reason for the restrictions is a government analysis suggesting that terrorists have developed the means to conceal explosives in laptops that could elude screening. u.s. officials believe terror groups are using some airport screening devices which turn out to be widely available to test their explosive designs. >> how big of a threat is this and will it impact you? we'll talk about that coming up. i have ahma... ...one of many pieces in my life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back
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in washington. joining me now is senior security analyst juan duarte. he is security advisor for combating terrorism under former president george h.w. bush. they turned down the request from flynn's attorney in exchange for the testimony for immunity. this is not unusual that they try to get that first to protect themselves. >> it is not unusual, thomas. the fact you have three investigations under way. one is a criminal investigation from the fbi. two, congressional investigations on the senate side and house side. you have any important witness asking for immunity. what is unusual here is it is at a very high level. the former national security adviser and it is early. what you have here is the lawyers for general flynn trying to get ahead of the narrative and curve here to demonstrate he
is willing to testify, but obviously want protections. it is too early in the investigation. you have seen both the senate and house side as well as the fbi are not willing to consider this yet because the investigation is not mature enough. they need to know more and investigate more. you are talking about a senior individual asking for immunity. that is a late stage decision for the investigators. it is not unusual in asking, but it is unusual in terms of the sequence. >> in flynn's description of immunity last year, he constitutes immunity you get that because you have done something criminal. you think flynn and his team are surprised to be rejected by the sfet i senate intel committee? >> probably not. i think his lawyers are savvy enough to tell him they want the offer on the table and dictate the terms of what happens next.
of course, what are you describing is the public perception of immunity in a politically charged investigation versus what it means to somebody on the other side of the table being asked the questions. potentially in jeopardy of criminal prosecution. now we don't know that to be the case, but you also have an individual who doesn't know what the investigators, especially in the fbi, are looking at. they could look at not just the russia issues, but issues tied to representing foreign nations and other activities. if you are in general flynn's seat, you want as much protection as possible before sitting in front of the legal-ites. >> i think of this like an onion. peel back the layers. some say it stinks and others are crying. the terrorists may have learned how to hide bombs in laptop
computers. this is something we kind of covered before. they are looking to one-up and be more creative in targeting major airlines. the computer would power on to allow devices to pass through security check points, but then go to a resting mode. how big of a concern is this about large scale electronic devices from the middle east and north africa? >> this is a serious reminder that groups like al qaeda and isis are doing everything possible to intimidate methods. we know they operate from safe havens and developed expertise, especially from yemen. they are constantly ying to innovate or security measures. you have seen this over time. this is the latest. the shoe bomber and the liquid
bomb. the underwear bomb in 2009. the laptop plot that went off in an airline out of somalia last year. you had constant attempts to innovate around security pro toe tall cals. this is the latest. the reason you have the ban is the intelligence community had specific information about the attempts to circumvent that particular security which is why the ten countries where the ban is in effect are directly implicated. authorities are very worried that you have innovation in those kinds of devices and trying to work around the security protocols. >> juan, if we can show that again so folks can drink in the geography. what about security at other airports? terrorists are trying to evade the security measures as they get the head's up about the ban
in place and they can fly in from somewhere else. >> you are absolutely right, thomas. this is a great issue with transportation security. you are only as good as your weakest link. the terrorists can adapt to whatever security protocols or rings. including geography. of course, put out the protocols and security measures. they will know where you are targeting and they will find other ways in. part of the attractiveness of hitting airlines is not the human toll and economic investigaeffects and psychological. they can get on one or two flights and suddenly they are hitting the united states directly. we saw that with the underwear plot. the guy got on out of yemen, the nigerian, trying to blow himself up over detroit. this is what they are plotting.
the fact they have havens and experts trying to device these devices is just a very serious reminder this is a real threat and authorities are trying to play cat-and-mouse game to get ahead of the curve and prevent these from happening. >> you have to be creative to stay a step ahead. juan zararte. thank you. if you are devin nunes, you can go home again, butou will catch heat. people greeted him in california and he was there among gjeers. i'm not sure if nunes could hear it, but what is the way forward for this congress member? this
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interfering and collusion. they're concerned about what would happen when the trump administration takes office. they start spreading it around the government and one of the ways they did that was as we reported an obama administration official created a log of classified documents and hand carried it over to key members of the senate intelligence committee. this wasn't a classified document in and of itself. it referred to secret documents. it was like a master key so the senate could find these things in the event of an investigation. obviously there is an investigation now. so it just speaks to the level of concern in the obama administration about what might have happen to the stuff. one source said they didn't want it to be buried in a safe at langley. >> this is a table of contents for those interested to find it. the white house under president obama was suspicious of the trump administration or of the fbi or of which part?
which branch of government coming in for 2017 that would let this information go dormant? >> great question. it looks like they were suspicious of the trump administration because they were concerned some of this intelligence and evidence implicated the administration in collusion. it hasn't been proven. we know some of the evidence included intercepts that showed contacts with trump associates and contacts. >> they get access to this report seeing the listing of information and learning how it's been categorized around the hill. >> larger effort which the times about the effort to spread intelligence around to declassified the lower level of secrecy some more people could see it.
sean spicer referred to this. they feel this was inappropriate and the obama administration trying to tar the trump administration with the russia stuff inn fa stuff unfairly. >> we know a former obama official came on appearing on "morning joe" having this to say under obama. listen. >> i think that the revelations of evelyn farkis going on the record to talk about how they politically used classified information is troubling. >> so do we know there was political use for classified information here, ken? >> absolutely not. she said she was acting as a former government official. concerned about the russia interferen interference. to urge her former colleagues to make sure the stuff did not disappear. she said she wasn't traffic in
classified information. the right wing media has seized on her comments to suggest inappropriate level of sharing. >> if there is nothing there, i don't understand what the trump folks would be worried about. they would want the public to know this and there is no come propers myse compromise. ken dilanian, thank you. joining us now for the reporter for the times is michelle sanders and mike hill. let's start with you, mike. the house investigation. how does it investigation move forward after schiff's visit to the white house and the lack of faith the democrats have in nunes? >> it depends on what nunes does. in the eyes of the democrats, this is stalled if not dead.
as you mentioned, schiff was at the white house yesterday. he saw the information that nunes saw ten days before. it did not answer any questions. he wants to know why nunes was briefed by the white house over the subject of the investigation. that did not tell the members of the committee. told the press and went back and rebriefed the white house that just briefed him. it seemed to have raised more questions and concerns about chairman nunes and ability to do an i mpartial investigation. the democrats are not satisfied. i actually sat down with eric sw swalwell. he said we will look into it. without nunes directing this ship and would you tell us having faith in it, we can't do anything at all. they are pushing for the 9/11 commission style investigation. unless something significant changes and they have new faith
in nunes. that is not happening. >> do you think and as mike is talking about, the fact that nunes some consider throwing a grenade into the house intel committee investigation of all this. really opens up the flood gates for the integrity of the other investigations and democrats and republicans who are interested in making sure that they get to the bottom of this. >> i think this investigation is really a test of the republican party's ability to hold to task a republican president. i think republicans and democrats both want to see an independent investigation. i think the senate will take the lead. i think devin nunes makes it harder for people and senators and committee to do their job. you have the top democrat and top republican coming out and having a rare joint press
conference saying they will go as far as the investigation takes them. they will follow the evidence. they understand that because devin nunes has done what he has done a the house investigation has blown up in some ways, the senate will be held to a much higher standard. >> mike, when we think about the other information that came forward this week, in front of senator marco rubio with testimony. he was confronted with the fact during the gop primary campaign there was testimony of russia y interference and rubio a target. do we not consider its was more than the democrats that were targeted? they weren't compromised as well? >> that has been a lingering question all along. the suspicion is yes there was probably hack across the board. if that was the case, why are we
only hearing about documents related to the dnc and the democrats targeted in what was released publicly? a lot of that goes back to the question of how much putin's hand is in this. it goes back to wikileaks and julian assange. he is not friend of hillary clinton. there is a partisan bent there. it depends on who you ask. if you ask the democrats, they will say it is partisan. that has been verified by the spy agencies at the top of the u.s. government. they do have validation. you are right. this is a much wider sweep. we have not seen things publicly. whether they drip out remains to be seen. i think we can probably look forward to seeing some of those things. of course, it is too late to effect past elections. it will be interesting. >> yamiche, do you think michael
flynn asking for a fair prosecution and immunity, is that the wrong signal to send and one that democrats think may lead to something else? flynn being a lynchpin to unmasking or putting out in the public consumption something nefarious during the campaign. >> i think michael flynn asking r immunity creates more smoke. we are not sure there was a fire there. you have someone close to the president saying the only way he wants to testify is to somehow be shielded by prosecution. it begs the question what does he know and why does he feel he needs the immunity. how many people in the trump campaign knew what was going on if russia was meddling in the election and how did they use that information to their benefit? when you ask that question about whether or not we think there was a wider spread of information, in some ways, i think if you think about the
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probe. we have jackie who sits on the committee talks about the request. >> it would be granted by the department of justice if and only if it provided a bigger fish in terms of do ttting the and crossing the ts to get someone more critical in violating the law. >> i want to interrupt for a moment, congress member. a bigger fish. he was the national security adviser to the president. there are not a lot of bigger fish out there. >> that's right. >> joining me now is joel benison and former senior adviser for hillary clinton's campaign. as we hear what congress member spears said there and we know flynn was dismissed -- incomplete information to the vice president about his call with the russian ambassador. let go for that.
so pence is technically cleared of any wrongdoing? is this all about immunity and whether or not he should be given it that would compromise something about our president? >> i think prosecutors or committees want to know is what does this person really have? you suddenly say i'll come in and i want immunitimmunity. they want to make sure you have something there before they give you a free pass. >> we know how they were talked about with the clinton campaign with the e-mail server. he constitutes immunity with a criminal act. that is the only reason you ask for that. >> and candidate trump and president donald trump said why do you need that immunity? that is a supposition that you are worried you could be prosecuted for something.
that is absolutely the concern. there are other nuances involved. clearlyamiss here. to have the administration dig in on this. imagine with a president of the united states who said we need to get to the bottom of this. russia meddling in our election and france election. we have richard burr, the chairman of the senate committee. we know russia is meddling in france now. to have a president denying this instead of saying we need to get to the bottom of this and stop it because it is a danger to democracy is a totally different issue. both president trump and flynn raising suspicion about themselves and evnterprise by te investigation. >> we are 72 days in to the administration. this russia shadow. the scandal of that continues to linger. the effectiveness of the white house in trying to get things
done other than executive order is faltering. how do they keep up with what they laid out on the agenda? >> and they have a problem. the ability to put behind them the questions of the russia investigation. it is an exacerbated by the tweeting behaviors. they are not able to put behind them the episode where he disgracefully accused his predecessor of tapping his phones. they aren't dealing with the day-to-day well on the big issues like health care or anything else. they are showing a complete lack of expertise. how you get people to work together and solutions that you can get passed and adopted and meaningful for people. there are no major accomplishments. we are coming up on 100 days. everything they put their foot into, they stepped in, inn credited of creating a rainbow or halo effect. >> we know speaker ryan was
instrumental if whn what took p with health care and what didn't take place. this is what he said about taking control. >> if we don't do this, he'll just go work with democrats to try and change obamacare, and that's hardly a conservative thing. this republican congress allows the perfect to be the enemy of the good. i worry we'll push the president into working with democrats. he's been suggesting that as much. >> do you think democrats are open to that, joel, or is that too much of a stigma to bear at this point? >> democrats i think would be always open to improving health care for americans. we're the ones who covered 15 million people through obamacare. i think you saw speaker ryan shoot himself in the foot there, the notion of working with democrats, the bigger problem is not that they're willing to work
with democrats, it's that they haven't been able to lead on a major policy issue and set out a cohesive argument for anything they're trying to do. they're running a campaign now and they're losing. it's trump against trump, the white house against the white house. they don't know how to lead, and with the leadership and what washington requires is leadership coming from the president. you don't just lob out to what you say you have to do. you have to have a coherent plan, bring the players together. that's how president obama worked and when he did get things done, that's how it happened. >> as we look ahead to what it means for ideology as opposed to compromise, the supreme court pick in neil gorsuch and the fact that there are certain democrats talking about crossing over to vote for him and this being the fact -- heidi hide camp has talked about this. do you think there will not be a filibuster effort from the democrats and neil gorsuch will sing through? >> i think right now it looks
like there will be a filibuster effort. i think the whole way both parties are treating supreme court justices right now is a real risk. these folks have lifetime appointments for a reason. it's to take them out of politics. i think when senator mcconnell ten months out from an election said he wasn't even going to give a well-qualified judge, same rating as judge gorsuch, judge merrick garland, wouldn't give him a hearing, he in a toxic way infused politics into this process. i think we're now on a road to a head-on collision that i think could be very unfortunate. i think both parties need to get to the table and solve this for a long time. if we start creating a quagmire every time a supreme court justice is nominated by either party, that's a danger to our democracy. >> thank you, joel. appreciate it. family finances, a new report revealing the enormous wealth of ivanka trump and her
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much of the world. one thing has worried me over these months, these he two super power egos would get into a test of whose is big we are the world itself is the stakes. none of that today. none of it, let's pray, ever. that's "hardball." "all in" with chris hayes starts right now. >> tonight on "all in" -- >> president putin and i have been discussing -- >> thank you, thank you. >> russia says the american president he accepted a full denial of election interference. both sides have agreed to put it behind them. >> there was not a lot of relitigating of the past. >> what we know about everything that happened. vladimir putin met the donald trump behind closed doors. >> it is a forgery. >> the trump/russia
for russia, the united states. it is an honor to be with you. >> the two leaders appeared chummy throughout the day. president trump even sharing a laugh with putin who has been accused of having journalists killed about, the american reporters covering their meeting. >> thank you. the two met behind closed doors for more than two hours. afterward, the only other american, secretary of state tillerson, claimed putin was pressed. >> the president opened the meeting with president putin by raising concerns of the american people regarding russian interference in the 2016 election. they had a very robust and lengthy exchange on the subject. the president pressed president putin on more than one occasion involving russian involvement.
president putin denied such involvement as i think he has in the past. >> but tillerson's counter part emerged from the meeting with a very different story. >> translator: president trump has said that he has heard clear declarations from mr. trump that russian involvement has not interfered in the elections and he accepts the things that mr. putin has said. >> he semis this. they said lavrov's comments were not accurate. an unnamed official. while we have no way of saying what was said in private, we can he what president trump said in public. >> i think it was russia but i think it was probably other people and/or countries, and i see nothing wrong with that statement. nobody really knows. nobody really knows for sure. >> that was yesterday.
this is giving the russian award. >> i think what the two presidents i think rightly focused on is how do we move forward? how do we move forward from here sf it's not clear to me that we will ever come to some agreed-upon resolution of that question between the two nations. >> many accounts indicate that russian election interference hasn't stopped here or abroad and it doesn't appear to be just elections. we learned yesterday, for example, that russians are suspected of hacking the nuclear sites in the u.s. a top pick did not even come up. joining me now from iraq, christopher hill. your reaction to the news that came out of today's meeting. >> well, first of all, i think it was a pretty successful meeting by all accounts. i was not very astonished that president trump talked about the
hacking and putin denied and it president trump said okay, let's move ahead. what i thought was interesting, it appears that rex tillerson had a good day. he showed that he was able to put his imprint on some of the work they're doing. especially that deal and how it works out in syria. >> the big takeaway, they are announcing the cease fire had southwest syria, if i'll not mistaken. in some ways, that has been a big thing trump has signaled for a long time. working with isis and fundamentally being fine with assad staying. >> i think ultimately, that is the idea. the problem is the trump administration hasn't told us, what is the goal in syria? they don't seem to indicate, what do we want? do we want a unity state?
do we want a parliament system? when they can define that, and maybe harmonize that with other players, including russia, then we have a chance of making the cease fire hold. i think it was small step in a small area in southwestern syria and i think they're trying to see if they can start process there. it was a fairly deafening silence on the issue of north korea. i don't think russia gave us anything at all. if someone pointed a nuclear missile at them, they would know what to do about it. i'll a little disappointed at how that conversation is turning out. >> the other issue i have, and i would be curious to your response. it seems there's not a particularly reliable narrator for what happened in that room. we have contrasting versions of what happened. the and there is a sort of grain of salt that it appears you have to take all accounts with.
>> you've got it. and it is not unusual to get two different readings of a meeting, lavrov and his customary charlieing way, that was quite at odds with what secretary of state tillerson said. that's why there are note takers. they sit on the side of the room and they take notes. apparently president trump didn't want anyone else in the room. i guess he looks at every note taker and thinks of that person as being a leaker. but there are reasons you have note takers. >> there was a moment i want to play jumped out at me. take a listen. >> thank you. >> that's putin leaning over and saying to president trump, these are the ones that insulted you. pointing to the press core. given that numerous journal the
i haves in russia have been murdered in cold blood, and often thought to be partly at the hands of putin or his surrogates, what did you make of that moment? >> to be frank, these two leaders have raised tastelessness to an art form. it is kinds of appalling that putin would do that. i think our president needs to be reminded now and again that there is a little dignity of this business and he'd better lay off the press. it doesn't play well overseas or this country either. in this country, it is a mosh pit on everything. overseas, i don't think he should be playing game. >> the posture from tillerson and the president, and it seems to be what the russians want as well. let's just cabin that whole unpleasantness around the election. who is to say what really happened. and work together on mutual areas of shared interest.
again, fine for the latter part. you do wonder what that means for what other future operations the russians may undertake. >> well, fair enough. there's an old adage that lawyers look backwards and diplomats look forward. and i think tillerson is trying to figure out what can be done as he looks forward. it is pretty appalling issue. where if it is true, if foreign minister lavrov's comment that president trump semied putin's explanation, then you kind of wonder, is he putting more faith in the kgb than the cia? there are big problems here. and i don't think we can let this go. now, tillerson was suggesting we come up with something and i think he was hinting at the fact we're all a little concerned about what would happen in the 2018th elections, if the russians were just warming up in
2016. i think this is quite an assault on russia's part on our process. and i think we have to be not only extremely vigilant but really, really pushing back the russians. and president obama did that with a few sanctions at the he believed there. frankly, this is a lot more serious than whether or not they get to use a weekend house if new york. >> ambassador christopher hill, thank you for being with me tonight. >> thank you. joining me now, moscow journalist, and the former cbs moscow correspondent, jonathan sanders. i'll start with you as someone who covered russian politics and putin specifically. what do you think he was looking for out of this meeting? >> he got everything he was looking for. first of all, the sentence, the two presidents. so he looked presidential. he was on the national, international stage as an equal to the most powerful man in the
world. his probe to do something in syria has turned out to be quite been official for him. when they sent the russian earl into syria, president obama said it will be a quagmire. that quagmire is leading to a de-escalation and a peace process, and the very steps being taken have three routes. one is a city in kazakhstan where they started negotiating deconflictization. two is what john kerry was doing in the last days of the obama administration. and three is the dialogue after the shootdown of the syrian plane that went on between the american military and the russian military. that's leading to the beginning of the end of the war in spoir has gone on for seven years exclaimed 400,000 lives. that's a significant step forward. putin didn't get everything he wanted. we didn't hear putin saying
anything to mr. trump about american exercises, military exercises in the baltic states. something that has ignored a lot of russians. so wasn't a perfect day for both sides bust it was a big plus for mr. trump, mr. putin, mr. tillerson, and always for sergei lavrov. and this does sflog fierce cold war atmosphere that has been whipping around us for so long. especially whipping around us on cable news programs. >> the idea of meddling, which is this word that keeps coming up. there is an interesting statement that tillerson said, we sort of agreed not to meddle in each other's internal affairs. and this has been something both the chinese and the russians have been laser focused on. the u.s. should keep its mouth shut about anything happening internalfully russia. and that seemed to me like a takeaway for putin. something that he has long sought. >> i feel like that is a pretty
standard response when it comes to russian politics. they like to point to what the united states has done. whether it be meddling and other countries. electoral processes, regime change, things like that. so this was an opportunity for russia to say the same thing. i'm surprised that trump brought up the election tracking issue on. one hand, you have to realize that no matter what he would have done, people here are going to be skeptical of him because there have been so many questions around this administration. so what would have been enough to bring it up in a more forceful manner rather than just saying, okay, we discussed it. my other question, other point that i want to make, we need to come up with a way of being tough on that issue. sanctions just don't work. and jonathan, you would know this. you spent a lot of time in moscow. the way the russians respond to pressure or childing from the international community, to keep
doing it. to turn inward. that may be true with public perception. but the sanctions, after crimea have created significant hardship and upper rungs. it has been clear the russian state wants them lifted. >> and chris, they're on their way to being lifted. if the very smart way we saw tillerson trot out just before the meeting, that they've appointed a special representative to deal with ukraine on the eastern regions, to begin to negotiate that and the man is supposed to be in moscow coming up, that's a very cher way to push this forward. >> i don't see how -- i don't 19 interrupt you. i don't see how that's possible given the political dynamics
that president trump is dealing with at homes. russians went in going that was a nonstarter. >> not today, not tomorrow. but in six months, perhaps. >> that's the question, right? they're sort of concrete things the administration can do that putin would like to see they will do. give back as a starting point, the two compounds were seized as kind of retribution for the election activities. and then eventually lifting sanctions. there's tremendous pressure. at the corner of all this is this very big unresolved issue. that there was a sustained and sophisticated effort to criminally sabotage a campaign in the u.s. and one that has not been resolved or foresworn in any way. it seems hard to move on to other issues to a degree it is left hanging out there. >> chris, when the hearings began, senator warner said, oh, my.
this is like propaganda on steroids. what's the surprise? propaganda? or steroids? the russians have been interested in doing things in american elections since 1920. it was ham handed before. now digital technology has changed things. we have to ask the basic question underlying this. why are they so good at hacking? why are they so good at cyber warfare? and why are we not particularly up to snuff and up to speed? the scary answer may be, their math education system far superior to ours. >> i think you have a good point in terms of human resources and people who are skilled at this. russia is very rich that way. >> true. that sounds -- uncomfortably close to blaming the bank for being ronald. we know that these things can happen. you can penetrate all sorts of
inboxes and people get good at this. but there's a violation here that remains massively unresolved. and back to your point, from the context of any political situation that will move forward in this relationship, it can't just hang around as an unresolved thing and expect the politics to change. thank you both for your time tonight. >> thank you. ahead, can president trump agree to disagree? the conflicting reports and the reaction from capitol hill. ount. because each day she chooses to take the stairs. at work, at home... even on the escalator. that can be hard on her lower body, so now she does it with dr. scholl's orthotics clinically proven to relieve and prevent foot, knee or lower back pain, by reducing the shock and stress that travel up her body with every step she takes. so keep on climbing, sarah. you're killing it.
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the 2016 election, according to the russian version he with what happened today, the president accepted putin's denial of any involvement in the election. giving equal credence to the u.s. intel xhublt's findings is a grave dereliction. the two countri-- >> first your response to this idea of a working group between the united states and russia to explore election interference or cyber security. >> well, you know, i hope that the american people won't fall for that kind of putting together of some kind of commission to deal with hacking and that's what they're describing. as a matter of fact, i think americans should be very, very
concerned that this president sat down with putin who we know hacked into our election system to the dnc, and to many of the states that are now coming forward with this information. and to sit down with him and not have a real discussion. to delve into real concerns about what's happening and get a commitment from putin that they would never do it again americans want to hear that conversation. obviously, this president brought it into the room. there was. so pressure, from the media and everybody else, he could not afford to go into that room and not pretend he was dealing with the issue. he didn't deal with it. he took it up first. it was dismissed. it was intractable. now let's move on. and this thing about a commission and also, what
they're going to do with syria and having some kind of cessation of the war there. i don't know if putin was in a position to negotiate and make all the differences for syria. not that i care about assad. but i would assume that he would have something to say about it. i think we're getting played by our president and certainly by putin. i don't like the idea that our president, again, would go into a room without any note takers, without any staff, without others who should be in the room who really understand foreign policy and who really understand putin, and come out of it saying how honored he is to meet with him and how in fact they're going to start meeting together. this is ball sanctions. of course, tillerson was in the room because that's at the top
of his agenda. to lift the sanctions so they can drill into the arctic. you have trump who is agreeing to lift the sanctions and aboutt
the dnc did. but them they fully cooperated with the requests that the filibuster made. so this guy is unhinged. and i think he is under so much pressure from this russian are investigation that when he is in the corner, all he does is he strikes back and he doesn't care about whether anything is true or not true. >> what did you make of that statement from the president? >> well, he doesn't know the difference between what podes podesta's role was with the dnc and clinton. what he thought he was setting up was this proof that we have no proof. that's what putin has said. that's what he continues to say. it is almost in your face, you can say what you want but you don't have any proof. i think this president, trump was playing into that and trying to say, well, you know, they have proof if they wanted to share it but they wouldn't let
us see it so they must not have any proof. he thought when he did that, that he was nailing podesta. because he had control of the dnc and the server so we can dismiss that as another trump not knowing what he's talking about, not knowing what he's doing, and trying to give some cover to putin. that's what that is all about. people, we must keep our eye on these sanctions. first of all, the united states senate has passed legislation. very strong lotion sanctions. we must support that. because putin didn't just the want trump elected because he didn't like hillary. it is because he knew that trump would be a part of helping to lift those sanctions. and i call the kremlin klan all of those allies of the president who will benefit from it. who have indicated their connections to russia and to putin and the oligarchs. so they're trying to play us. we should not buy into anything that we've heard happened.
because we don't really know. and he does not want us to know. he wants us to be in that position where we're trying to figure out what they said and we can't be certain. it is not substantive and we have to keep our eyes on sanctions. >> thank you for joining me tonight. >> you're welcome. >> the ethics office is stepping down. i'll ask him why he is leaving now. mom, i have to tell you something. dad, one second i was driving and then the next... they just didn't stop and then... i'm really sorry. i wrecked the subaru. i wrecked it. you're ok. that's all that matters. (vo) a lifetime commitment to getting them home safely. love. it's what makes a subaru, a subaru. why? we can't stay here! terrible toilet paper! i'll never get clean!
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federal government publicly taking a stand against corruption in the administration and risking his job to do it. after the president announced he would not divest from his business, instead turning over control to his sons, he condemned it in his speech. >> stepping back from running his positions is meaningless from a conflicts of interest perspective. this is not a blind trust. not even close. the only thing it has in common is the label, trust. nothing short of divestiture will resolve these conflicts. >> that prompted had chaffetz. it drew a warning from the incoming white house chief of staff. >> the head of the government ethics ought to be careful. he is becoming extremely political. apparently may have publicly supported hillary clinton. so i'm not so sure what this person in government ethics, what sort of standing he has anymore in giving these
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to be ethical. i don't see that. i see him taking positions that he has not even looked at. he seems to be in the spin room from the democratic side of the aisle. >> joining me now, that person. now the outgoing director of the office of government ethics. let me start with this. i think it is important to lay this down. what is your job? what are you tasked with doing at oge? >> well, hi, chris, it's nice to be here. the office of government ethics is the prevention part of the government west work the administration, not only presidential appointees but also rank and file employees. we help then disclose their financial conflicts of interest. we're there to solve problems in advance. that's what i've been doing under three presseses now and i've really enjoyed the job. >> my understanding is this
grows out of watergate. you are there because there are criminal statutes, conflict of interest laws, that people might violate and you're there to protect them from doing that. essentially. >> that's right. as i said, we're the prevention mechanism so we're really helping to set people twoe steps back from the line. hopefully, only inadvertent. these are extremely complicated laws. they're nuanced and always past after the last crisis. our job is to serve as the translator and to help find ways to make they will work together. and we have a really big education foundation ensure that federal employees, or political appointees, understand the rules. and we often work very closely to prevent those problems.
>> you said you served under three presseses. how different was this than the other two? >> well, i have only got really good things to say about the ethics program that president bush ran and the ethic program that president obama ran. we got off to kind of a good start initial when i this administration because he had picked an the excellent transition team and we worked an outside nonprofit group to bring the two campaigns transition teams together and work them and help make sure they were ready for the transition. and i have to say a great respect for both teams. i saenlt congratulations e-mail to the winning team and i sincerely told them i was looking forward to working with they will i got a very nice message back saying they felt supported by oge and were looking forward to getting down to the task at handled. and then they were replaced about our current council of the
president. since then i would stay ethics program has been a very serious disappointment in the white house. >> what do you mean by that? >> the ethics program, is a compliance based program in many ways. we have very basic bare bones criminal laws, civil laws, administrative regulations, that say here's the absolute minimum you're going to do. that's just the skeleton. and the meet of the program has been the ethical traditions and the norms that has evolved over 40 years. and we're able to say, in most cases, that we have the gold standard of ethics programs internationally. and that federal employees are not just merely not criminals. that appointees are not just avoiding violating laws but they go further and come apply with
those traditions. an example is that with presidential nominees, the primary criminal conflict of interest statute says you can't participate in something where you have a conflict of interest. so you can come into government and keep all of your could not financial interests and not run afoul of that law if you were will to put your feet up on that zpeks read your newspaper all day and do your job. that's unworkable. we take a risk management approach. we set up other mechanisms to prevent conflicts of interest and we are two steps back from the line. the consistent approach that i'm running into has been, if it is not illegal, we're going to do it. if there's an argument, we're going to do it. that has undermined the program that has existed for four decades. >> what i'm hearing is they have taken an aggressive posture in terms of where they can set up with respect to the line on
conflicts, particularly. this is a really important question. your job is to certify that there's no conflicts. i want to talk about, i want to you give me this. can you definitively say that everyone in the white house including the president, free of conflicts of interest? >> well no. we've received very little information about what the individuals in the white house do on a day-to-day basis for a living. they've negotiated ethics agreements and they've refused to even let the office of government ethics see it. we've asked for information. it is like pulling teeth. weeks go by before we get answers in many cases. after i issued a data call for all the waivers and notifications that were issued at the end of april, they refused to anxious any questions from my staff whether any individuals had received
waivers. >> so i want to be really clear. there are criminal conflict status. there are people who retain, they have to recuse themselves. can you differeefinitively stat they have gdone that? >> to be fair, i would have to rework that question a little bit. i'm not trying to dodge but it is a little more nuanced than. that i would like to say there is no basis for any specific violations. i don't have enough information to say definitively there could not be that. the bigger concern is because this is a risk management program, it has become clear that they have a much higher tolerance for risk than we do.
we have a lot more concern over presidential no, ma'am nieces. they have to get our sign-off before they can get a hearing to come into government. white house appointees are in government long before we get their reports and we're almost doing a post mortem to see if there was a conflict of interest. with nominees, we work to prevent them in advance. so documenting a higher level of risk is inconsistent with how we've run this program. people have said, is there definitely a violation. or can you definitively say that? >> once the violation has happened, we have failed. it is incumbent upon the office of government ethics to object before we reach that point. we're supposed to prevent that from happening. >> thanks for making time tonight. >> thanks. the weaponizing of fake news.
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names on american citizen. even if the typos and the weird spacing and the other odd stuff had snuck through for some reason, an american citizen's name would not have snuck through. not at this level of an nsa report. that our document contains an american name spelled out, that says to experienced people who've worked with this stuff that what we got is forged. it's fake. >> now news organizations can pay a stiff price for running with things they get from questionable tips and sources. as rachel reminded us it was in 2004 that dan rather and cbs news got hold of documents that purported to highlight details of george w. bush's national guard business. the comes whose origin was murky. they blew up ending rather's career and damaging that news organization. it also killed any further reporting into george w. bush's military service during that election year.
now someone is shopping fake trump collusion documents perhaps with a similar goal in mind. >> whether or not the trump campaign did it, one way to stab in the heart aggressive american reporting on that subject is to lay traps for american journalists reporting on it. trick news organizations to report what appears to be evidence of what happened and then after the fact blow that reporting up. you hurt the credibility of that news organization. you also cast a shadow over any similar reporting in the future. whether or not it's true. right? even if it's true you plant a permanent question. a permanent asterisk. a permanent who knows. as to whether that too might be falts like that other story. whether that too might be based on fake evidence. so head's up, everybody. part of the defense against this trump-russia story includes
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my hands that if i run with it and it is a fake i'm blown up. >> right. and in that case the white house authenticated the document. but there is a real serious problem we're going to see more of in the future, chris, with fabricating documents to mislead news organizations. it's not entirely new. you may recall in the george w. bush documents case that affected dan rather and cbs that while the documents were shown to be fakes, kate and another reporter at the "the new york times" interviewed the general's secretary who said well, you know, that's exactly what he was saying at the time in the office and he did have documents though i didn't type them. in that case and others that i'm aware of, there have been cases where you take a document you know is real, and we recreate what will be exposed as a fabrication to discredit the issue. >> so the broader thing to me at this moment is, governor paul
lepage in maine, a big trump supporters with tells the media something. let's flood the tip lines with fake tips and times saying the that the white house tried to do this. i know people who have said the white house has attempted to shop them fake story to get them to run it so they can rebut them because it is a valuable, particularly in the moment in this white house to call this fake news. wh what do you about that? >> you have to be extremely careful with documents that don't come out of a public report. if you copy it out of the courthouse record, that's one thing. and if it's too good to be true it probably is. when i was exposing the lapd's massive worldwide spying, i got a document one day that was
unbelievably juicy and i looked at it and said this is too good, it's too new. and when i -- i came to learn years later from a senior officer that in fact it was planted in an effort to discredit me. you have to be careful when handling documents to authenticate them and you have to show them to the people you're going to write about or broadcast about and get their responses to it. >> and there is at this point this sort of ratcheting up of the stakes, because of this idea of fake news that if you -- there's a real incentive on the part of the white house to kind of get people to get stuff wrong, even on sort of easy stuff, not big cloak and dagger stuff with documents being fabricated but easy stuff. because at this point it's such a kind of core narrative that they're telling the country about basically them against a duplicitous press. >> let's remember that vladimir
across, not roads, but more like rivers with a few bags in their hands. th they just grabbed a few snacks, pillows. in many cases they were carrying pets. as we talked about last night, still one of the big issues is power. 100% of the island not having power right now, only those that can get to generators, also, the first thing people still ask me is, do you have signal. people desperate to find out the condition of loved ones who they can't get to because of flooding many because of debris? and loved ones who can't get out, because of that same reason. the government has announced that fema has critical supplies right now enroute to puerto rico, and that is via ship. anderson. >> what are -- some of the main priorities now that the storm has passed? >> power for the government.
i mean, they have already -- before maria even came here, the government said that they believed that it would take not days, not weeks, but rather months to restore power. remember, this is a power system that lacks maintenance and infrastructure. so power is going to be a big deal. and the communication issue, not just for puerto ricans on this island. for tourists on this island, but also, as i spoke to emergency management officials right now, just trying to work logistics, just trying to get to the poem who need help. even they are dealing with a communication issue. so many factors, debris, floods, roads that you can't use. major roads, interstates, communication, power, it's just a combination of factors that for many puerto ricans on this island tonight, it's a nightmare. >> leyla santiago. >> earlier tonight i spoke to
san juan's mayor, she said the city she knew no longer exists. >> people at home are elderly, they don't have their insulin, they lost their heart medications, they lost their blood pressure medications. and if we don't get to them in ti time, it is those that i cannot get to that really worry me the most. >> san juan's mayor tonight. joining us by phone, carlos ramos. what can you tell us about the extent of the damage to the power grid? >> well, anderson, the whole island has been devastated and so has the electric power system. you know, we have expect it today on two of the transmission lines, and we found over 40 transmission line towers completely crumbled. and on other areas, we found
conductors down. and we still have no communications with two of our power plants. so it's devastating. >> i mention in some areas, there's still flooding, even beginning to work on that is going to be difficult. how long do you foresee taking to get power restored. >> well, you know, we're working on priorities first and foremost. the same level of priorities, we have the hospitals and water system, water treatment plants and pumping stations. we have a plan will shortly bring power to at least the central medical center, which is our largest public facility for medical services and where the federal government and the health aid is going to be operating from. at least that center should have power within the next three days. so -- >> those hospitals, do they have -- i assume they have generators now? >> they do. but those are emergency generators, they need to be
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the death toll in mexico climbed again today. it's approaching 300. it will most likely climb because people are still unaccounted for or trapped in the rubble. natural disasters not only caused by changing destruction, they also bring chaos and confusion. the chase in point the school in mexico city, a girl believed to still be trapped. that turned out not to be the case. part of the fog of war in these circumstances. in addition, we're just now getting access to areas beyond the capitol, in the state southeast of mexico city, the quake damaged a church killing a girl who was being baptized as well as 11 others. 9700 homes, 100 plus government buildings were damaged in the tremors, elsewhere it's even worse. what's the damage -- where are you and what's the damage like? >> i'm in a town here called
this. street lamps are working right now, there's some electricity here. and what's remarkable is in the two days since the destruction and death and the shock of the earthquake. a lot of the roads have been cleaned up. >> i know on your journey there, you encounter a lot of people who were volunteers, who wanted to help? >> that's really something that's incredible about this. and you may be hearing applause, this is from volunteers who are in the area here helping clean up. on our drive from mexico city, we passed convoy after convoy of people driving, passenger vehicles with handwritten signs saying they're bringing assistance. and everywhere you turn in this town and in the surrounding areas, you see volunteers who are distributing everything from medical supplies to food to drinks. a woman came up offering me water just now, there's an
incredible grassroots mobilization, not just in the capit capitol, but it's spread out into the countryside. it's not just ordinary mexicans, it's international as well. i came in on a flight today from tokyo, with japanese disaster relief, with a team of helmeted uniformed police officers. when they arrived at mexico city airport, they were greeted by applause, cheers and tears of gratitude. as everybody comes to try to help mexico in the wake of this deadly natural disaster. >> just in terms of the noise we're herring around you, is that an area where people are being searched for? what is the applause about? is it encouraging searchers or what? >> there are volunteers who are helping clean away some of the rubble. i'm not sure what they were cheering about just now, there's also a great deal of pride i'm hearing from volunteers. i talked to a 15-year-old high school student who had been out
helping clean things up. one of the things the volunteers say they need is basically port-a-potties because the sewage treatment is messed up right now. people who can't be in their homes right now, that's one of the things people say they need on the ground right now. again, i don't think i've ever seen quite such a mobilization on a grassroots level of volunteers as i've seen here in the wake of this natural disaster. >> ivan watson, appreciate that report. just after the earthquake in haiti in 2010, i had the honor of watching fire and rescue. one of the people we talked to on the ground as they worked, was captain jason vasquez, part of his team is now in mexico. he joins me now. thanks so much for being with us. when you see the destruction in mexico, and you see the huge crowds of people working on a site. is it -- is there a challenge with having so many people on one site? is there benefit to having fewer people or is it -- is just more
hands better? >> well, they sent us down to haiti, we had a search team looking for worksites with rescue teams to follow us up. and rescue those victims. we break it up into a search component and a rescue component. as one site is being worked on, we'll have a small team out looking for other worksites for our guys, so we're not wasting any time. >> i was with your team when a woman came up to your team on a street, a mother who said her daughter was trapped and we're showing some of the video from back then. and your team spent -- i mean, just heroic hours combing through that wreckage, putting in sensors, sending the dog in, you believed -- you heard something, people believed -- the dogs seemed to indicate life, and then sadly after many hours, there was no more sign of it. i'm just wondering, in terms of how much does -- is this -- like
technology dependent, having those sensors, the microphones you can put down, those listening devices, cameras and the dogs. >> each one of those components in itself is equal to its worth. listening devices can listen through concrete up to 20 feet. the rescue you're talking about, was actually pretty interesting, that one we had half our team working on that site. we went walking distance probably a city block. the next morning that's when we rescued three victim the. we were still in that fast light mobil stage. we maybe stopped the search around 10:00. then we did some more searching that evening, and our crews went to work that morning. >> that's incredible. how long have you seen someone pulled out of the wreckage still alive after an event like this? i can't remember -- i remember in haiti, there was an elderly woman pulled out more than a week after, what have you seen in your career?
>> i believe the max i've seen is about 10 days. but that's not saying -- somebody can be stuck, just stuck somewhere with food and water, that can extend their life span. also, depending on the condition of the person. are they trapped. the one we were talking about, that lady was pinched and it was close to 7 days, we got her out. >> am i right in saying you create a grid of an area, and each team is responsible for that grid? >> one of our trainings is set -- getting the area in sectorizing it up, a grid. we'll focus a heavy team on each one of those grids, so we're not wasting time. right now, time is our enemy right now. >> captain vasquez, i appreciate you taking time to talk to us. i've never forgotten the hours i spent watching your team, extraordinarily professionals doing their job, and as you said, moving on to save other
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advertising, fake accounts. we're seeing efforts to try to drive people to rallies, i wish that facebook would be more transparent and forthcoming. most americans want to know if foreign based paid advertising is coming into our elections. most americans are going to ant to know if fake accounts by foreigners are driving content and we ought to be able to take a look at that content. >> let's talk this over with our panel. should they be giving over -- >> that's -- there's obviously a desire to protect their advertisers, protect people who do business with facebook. >> we've seen this before, we've seen technology companies be caught in a bind. they don't want to be seen as compromising their users. that's been a huge quagmire for facebook in the past. they're sensitive on that side to want to not provide internal information to the government. but then this is a different matter, and this is something
that they haven't had to grapple with before this issue of propaganda. i think we're very much seeing this play out in realtime, as they try to make these calculations and figure out where their values are. >> a russian propaganda used facebook to organized more than a dozen pro trump rallies in florida last year. it's fascinating the degree to which. i don't think five years ago, anyone would have thought that facebook would have such a role in a u.s. election? >> yeah, i mean, some people believe the 2016 election was the facebook election. the number of people who use their news feed to get all of the information for the day is huge. the total spending was $6.8 billion. they've identified $100,000 in facebook ads. proverbial drop in the bucket. it's important to identify it, and do what facebook has said they're going to do. be transparent, crack down on bad actors and work with congress. i wondered about how we should
view facebook today. and i'm thinking about the way we view other telecommunications platforms. if someone were to abuse automated telephone call, we don't get mad at the phone company, we get mad at the bad actors. it's interesting to me, are they a telecommunications platform or a news organization. >> what do you think it means for the investigation? if facebook is handing over -- how important do you think it could be or not important. >> i want to make one point of clarification. $100,000 versus the 6.0 billion. buying ads on facebook are incredibly cheap, compared to buying television spots. it sounds like it was nothing. but that isn't nothing. >> $100,000 out of 6 billion is still a small amount.
>> you're minimizing. >> they're more targeted to an audience than an ad running -- >> i think that's a little trump spin to keep things down, and that's all we know of it. look, i think there's an interesting parallel in this to me, if you look back a couple years ago, when really the issue of online bullying and online sexual predators started to get more attention, maybe eight years ago or so. and facebook and the other platforms said, there's nothing we can do. we have to be hands off, all we can do is help train parents. that perspective evolved, and they knew they had to -- had a responsibility. i think we're seeing this here too, they're saying they have a responsibility. but -- and i think we'll continue to see that evolution from social media. from an investigative perspective, the sense that this was going to be a narrow focus on just one aspect relating to
russia, that sean spicer and others called fake news, that's blown out of the water, we're now bringing facebook into it. they're part of the investigation. >> if you believe this is going to happen again in the next round and the next round, it's only going to increase with sites like facebook and others. >> they built this gigantic machine, and it's eye little ironic, but perfectly appropriate that it's now through that social network they're being called to account. >> people understand that $100,000 is pretargeted and can do all kinds of fancy stuff is an enormous amount of money, if it was a radio station, if it was a television station, that was like -- pumping out stuff to hundreds of thousands if not millions of people, with targeted messages, we would all be pretty clear there was something seriously going on. a violation of the laws that problem hit foreign interfere e
interference. they are taking zuckerberg on this tour, as if he's going to be a national candidate, and they still might be. you can't get that deep into politics and then say, we're just the phone company. >> facebook is really facing the unintended consequences of having two billion users, from a business perspective, everyone was in awe with how this company grew. i was surprised, that as soon as people started questioning facebook's role. we had absolutely no involvement in this election at all, all we are is a social networking site. the fact that they're complying right now, it could be a catchup on zuckerberg's -- >> i recently saw this piece on 60 minutes about brain hacking and how companies target people. the people that said to me, a guy that works in this. we think we're the customers of facebook, we're not the customers of facebook, coca kwoel la and the advertisers, they're the ones that are paying -- nobody's paying for
facebook. >> publicishers are the customers of facebook. the vast majority of our traffic comes from facebook. that's where so many people get their news. we're at the mercy of this sort of opaque machine that controls what people get to see. they tweak the algorithm and it changes the economics of the news business. they've always wanted to have that power without the responsibility. >> we'll have more from the panel. including a possible new catch of documents from sean spicer. details on that next. just like the people
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my time on the campaign, i was not aware of any contacts or any collusion with russian officials. i stand by that. >> during his time on the campaign, not aware of, that's not a wholehearted denial. i want to bring back in the panel. the idea that sean spicer was keeping these detailed notes makes sense. does it make sense? >> you shouldn't write everything down. that's inadvisable. >> if you're in the white house or you're about to go to work there. >> this is what happens you write everything down and an investigation starts. this is how these things unravel. i was disturbed when i heard that today. the advice you would get from probably lawyers and others who had been around before is don't do that. >> the reason to write everything down, if you don't trust the people around you, and you want to protect yourself. think about why james comey was writing everything down. if he was accused of something,
or might forget something that he felt weird about, he thought wassicy, he could point to notes from that time. i'm not saying that's what happened here, that would be one reason other than writing a memoir. >> this could have been his m.o. he was a meticulous note taker it may not be specifically trump related. it is something that every single person that knew him seemed to be aware of. >> people will wish they were nicer to sean, he was in a lot of meetings. >> you do get to settle some scores. the grand daddy of all of these situations is richard nixon. who sets up a wiretapping system, so his advisers and generals could not later say the president didn't follow my advice on vietnam. he invents the machine that is the engine of his destruction.
you've got to really be careful with this stuff, if you want to settle scores, fight with people, make sure that everybody knows you're right. if you want to maybe protect yourself legally, it creates a much better problem than you might realize. >> we asked jeff toobin whether spicer's notes would be covered under executive privilege. he said the key issue would be whether the information is central to the functioning of the executive branch against the competing need from law enforcement or congress. >> i think it would be very unlikely, this would end up getting covered by -- >> i have never worked in the white house, my thought was like, everybody must be taking extensive notes. >> no, i don't think that's the case. >> somebody everybody does do though is e-mail. in addition to writing everything down, people tend to e-mail everything back and forth to each other.
there's a whole separate record that will have to get sorted out. i was stunned when i heard there was a line by line diary. >> when you're working -- >> do people e-mail each other in a casual way? can you believe that meet something. >> yes. >> or do people have a sense -- this is best talked about over coffee at the starbucks down the block? >> yes, people e-mail each other casually. i was interviewed for some investigations and all the casual banter gets brought up, because you might be having casual banter and three e-mails later, by the way, i forgot, i wefrn the to this policy meeting, now all of that is in the matrix, and so i would think in this day and age, given everything we know about how no e-mail is ever private, people would be doing that less. i'm stunned by e-mails i get from people thinking, why did you put that in an e-mail. it's better to be discrete and
less is more. >>. >> the thing about the spicer interview. the phrase he used over and over and over. that is the way somebody who is under investigation and has lawyered up. answers questions. >> you can't say he's under investigation. >> you can't say -- >> just a wise way to answer. there's no doubt he's probably a witness, you can't say. >> i said those questions were answered in the way somebody who has lawyered up would answer them. a way that somebody who is either under investigation or part of an investigation and has lawyered up answers questions. >> if there are -- you know there are investigations going on, whether you're going to be called in or whether you have been called in or the focus of it.
it's probably just better to say, i'm not going to reresponded to that at all. >> or maybe not to give interviews at all. >> clearly he's looking for a gig, you know. >> everyone should agree to go on television. i don't know why you take that call. >> it underscores the fact that mueller's not conducting some sort of broad hypothetical academic inquiry, he's looking for evidence of crimes, looking to find if there's somebody that can be put in handcuffs. everybody is lawyering up for that reason. >> there's hammering upstairs, i'm not going to raise my voice about it. everyone stick around. the latest on senate republicans effortses to repeal and replace obama care. what one gop senator is saying about the political realities when we come back. t-mobile's unlimited now includes netflix on us. that's right, netflix on us.
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concerned about that, here's what chuck grassley told iowa reporters. i can give you 10 reasons why this bill shouldn't be considered. but republicans campaigned on this so often you have a responsibility to carry out what you said in the campaign. i want to bring back in the panel. were you surprised to hear grassley saying that? >> at this point no. most people know how popular this bill is. the question is, do they make a short term decision now that could end up biting them in midterms and years to come? you're going to see a lot of their constituents actually suffer if we're to believe these numbers that we're starting to see. we don't have a cbo score yet. >> is this about politics or policy? >> i think the politics are important here. the senators went home in august and got an earful about why they failed to keep their campaign promises. i think keeping campaign promises is important.
i think one of the most compelling arguments is the concept of federalism. returning power and money to state governments. putting health care decisions closer to the patients. i read a fascinating article by a guy named bernie belvedere. state governments can't print money. if you're a fiscal conservative and you want fiscal restraint in our national health care system. the government can print money to make up shortfalls. the argument was, fiscal conservatives ought to get behind this bill. i'm a proponent of keeping promises i think politics is important. >> you know, republicans made this repeal and replace promise, right? there were other promises made. by candidate trump and president-elect trump he promised there will be no elimination or reduction of coverage for pre-existing
conditions. so i don't -- what the senator said was, although not surprising, terrible. a clear example of why americans hate congress. if you're going to go with that theory, why does that one matter? repeal and replace, and pre-existing conditions out of the president's own mouth, why doesn't that count we heard that the legislation does not mandate it. and to track with your state's argument, which i don't over all agree with the legislation that will give states the power to wave out of any pre-existing conditions in the bill. basic health essentials is a broad definition that we don't know the full purview of. >> it gives them the power to keep it. i'm glad you brought up the concept of promises. the law we're talking about
repealing was also sold on promises. keep your doctor if you want to. your premiums are going down by $2500. it was sold on a millar of lies. promises are important, i agree with you. the law we have right now was sold on a bunch of broken promises. >> if you don't like obama care, that's a debate. we're debating what it needs to be replaced with. pre-existing conditions are critical in getting people health care in america. >> i don't disagree with you. i think this, whatever. i'm not even going to go there. you know what? if you have cancer and you have cancer and you need health care, i don't think you care at all whether a senator wrote the bill, a state senator, a city council member. what you want to know is that you have coverage. if your child has leukemia, you want to know when you put him down in his bed that when he wakes up and it's, you know, the
next day or next week after september 30th that he can get the same coverage he could have got two months ago. that and this bill, by your own admission, does not rock solid mandate that. >> under this if a state does decide to waive it or a state decides to not have that -- they can charge as much as they want to cover pre-existing condition, is that okay? because it's a state's decision. >> well, the state needs to design the healthcare system that works best for that population. i think these states are drastically different and we've seen that in some of the medicaid spending levels. you brought up the concept does politics matter here, yes. when you can run into your state representative at the grocery store when you can run into the people that make these decisions, i think politics will probably do what you want at the state level, which is keep a lot of these protections because you can actually get to the people making the decision. you can't get to any federal -- >> but when you get to them what do you say to a state that
flamboyantel rejected medicaid expansion. we don't want it, we don't need the federal government. keep your dollars. you're going to bust all of our taxes wide open. and then a couple years later say you know what? take from the states that did the expand. now we'll gleefully accept the money. that's also a broken promise and it doesn't look like a very good way to sort of handle an issue that states already made their decision. >> and let's be clear. we're talking about putting very sick americans in a place with no coverage, and that, quite frankly, is a disgrace. >> we've got to leave it there. coming up, sean spicer gets asked whether he lied to the american people. the ridiculous is next. ♪ ♪ keep your insights from prying eyes, so they won't be used by anyone but you. the ibm cloud. the cloud for enterprise. yours.
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much like a prayerry dog in the grass lands sean spicer popped up again today. >> have you ever lied to the american people? >> i don't think so. >> you don't think so? >> nope. i don't cheat on my taxes. >> unequivocally you can say no? >> look, again, if you want -- i have not knowingly done anything to do that, no. >> all right. you can take the man from the podium, bt you can't take the podium from the man. he was asked have you ever lied to the american people. that, my friends is kind of a yes-or-no question. his answer, his third answer, by the way after i don't think so and i don't cheat on my taxes was i have not done anything knowingly to do that. that answer is to washington, d.c. it should have its own reflecting pool just a nice calm place where you can sit down with your word salad and think about what you've done. did sean spicer lie to the american people? yeah, he did. he lied about the trump tower meeting being about adoption. remember the president's claim about 3 to 5 million people voting illegally. not true but sean spicer said it
was. he lied about the president getting the most electoral votes of any republican since reagan. and the list goes on and on. i'm kind of sentimental so i have a soft spot for the fist time. you never really do forget the first time. i remember it was right after the inauguration when spicer spoke about president obama's and president trump's inauguration crowd and said you shouldn't believe sources like yeah eyeballs or your brain. >> this was the first time in our nation's history that floor coverings have been used to protect the grass in the mall. that had the effect of highlighting any areas where people much want standing. this was also the first time that fencing and mag that tom ters went as far back on the wall preventing hundreds of thousands of people from being able to access the mall as quickly as they had in gnawing ragsz past. no one had numbers. these attempts to lesson the enthusiasm of the inauguration are shameful and wrong. this was the left armest audience to witness an
inauguration, period of time, both in person and around the globe. >> that's not mels ka mccarthy. that actually was sean spicer actually at the podium in the white house. that was his first time at the podium and it's clear he got his mring orders from on that one but he sure did commit to it, didn't he? if that wasn't pushing a line in an obvious that was almost coimmediateic, then why did this happen at the emmy's? >> this will be the largest audience to witness an emmy's, period. both in person and around the world. >> see, he's making a joke of the fact that he lied. i guess the idea is if you let some time pass, lies become funny. oh, by the way, the morning after the emmy's spicer told "the new york times" that he of course absolutely regrets criticizing accurate news reports that bum's inauguration was bigger than trump's? but was he telling the truth? maybe that was a lie too because two months ago on sean hannity's show said this. >> i no regrets. i can't think the president
violence singling out ms-13 and detailing their gruesome crimes and making a case for stronger immigration policies and doubling down on his word animals. >> these are vicious killers and shouldn't be allowed into the country. the laws are horrible. the democrats are sticking up for ms-13. you heard nancy pelosi the other day trying to find all sorts of reasons why they should be able to stay. these are stone cold killers. vicious killers. and when you hear families like that and see families, these are incredible families where they lost their daughters in this case. yet other people in the room lost sons. this should never happen. >> jon: joining us now is the white house reporter at the associated press. the president is proposing a change to the way foreign aid is distributed to countries whose citizens illegally enter the united states. how would that work, jill? >> this is the plan the
president floated yesterday. he was in long island talking about illegal immigration and talking about ms-13 and he threw out this idea. there were already working on it they set up a system where countries that receive foreign aid from the united states, every time somebody crossed the border illegally the u.s. would deduct money from that aid that the u.s. provides to those countries. it's an idea the president has flirted with before. also talking about putting sanctions on those countries. i was at the white house for responses on which countries he is talking about and how that mechanism would work. the white house has yet to answer those questions but clearly something the president is looking for new tools and new ways to be able to punish these countries and prevent people from entering the country. >> jon: sounds like a bookkeeping nightmare. >> the people in charge would agree with that. it is hard to say until we see the details of the mechanisms
he would want to use here. >> jon: he referred to nancy pelosi and how she reacted as house minority leader to his animals comment. i want to play some of that for you now. >> when the president of the united states says about undocumented immigrants these aren't people, these are animals, you have to wonder does he not believe in the divinity and dignity and worth of every person? >> the president was speaking specifically about ms-13 gang members, not illegal immigrants at large. >> yes. the president and white house have been using the democrats' response to his animal comments to their political advantage suggesting here that democrats nancy pelosi, chief among them, are coming to ms-13's defense how could you possibly be defending these brutal people who do those horrific crimes? they are speaking past each
other. when the president made those comments, he speaks in a way that is different from other politicians and sometimes people are able to interpret him in different ways. the way his comments were first reported by some out lets without context suggested that they were directed at a broader swath of people living in the country illegally. then you had all of these politicians including nancy pelosi responding to that comment out of context saying mr. president, how can you be referring to this broader group of people who enter the country illegally animals? you have the president suggesting they're referring to ms-13. they're talking past each other in a way that benefits each other politically. the democrats want to say he is inhumane. the president is looking for ways to jump on nancy pelosi. he was at a dinner on tuesday night with susan b. anthony list. a great day for us, so bad for the democrats to be here
defending ms-13. >> jon: jill with the associated press. thank you for being on. >> we want to tell you the president tweeted on north korea saying sadly i was forced to cancel the summit meeting in singapore with kim jong-un. a very tame tweet by the president's standards. also coming from the white house right now car and trucks imported into the u.s. may be the next tariff target with the trump administration launching an investigation into whether or not they are needed. the president invoking a provision that would authorize him to restrict those imports based on national security grounds. the move is seen as an effort to gain leverage in the stalled talks with canada and mexico over nafta. as many of the car imports come from assembly plants in those two countries. >> jon: the white house is out of the summit meeting with north korea. the big headline this morning. the timing of this on capitol hill is interesting as the secretary of state is facing a
grilling in front of the senate foreign relations committee. we'll get senator john thune's reactions coming up. volcano troubles mounting in hawaii. why some residents could be trapped after a lava flow takes a drastic turn. >> the lava activity continues and all operations are working today. we have had several over flights that report continuous vigorous activity. whoooo.
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explosions in ignited causing scientists to issue extreme warnings. meantime new eruptions bracing some residents with further uncertainty. so far 2,000 people have been evacuated. already lava has destroyed 50 buildings and close to two dozen homes. >> the white house calling off the summit meeting with north korea. the president tweeting about it just moments ago saying sadly i was forced to cancel the summit meeting in singapore with kim jong-un. that's it. short and sweet. meanwhile today is going to be a long day for the justice department. two big meetings are set with top lawmakers and the heads of both the f.b.i. and the d.o.j. both meetings talking about the president's spying claims. joining me now is senate g.o.p. conference chairman john thune. a lot to get to this morning. let me jump right in. what is your reaction to the cancellation of the north korean summit? do you think it was about the
deal that was on the table and maybe not liking that? was it about the words? what is your feel? >> good morning. i think it's a combination of all the above. i think the administration made a judgment based on some preliminary discussions and rhetoric coming out of north korea of late. the meetings the president had with president moon of south korea this week in which they talked a lot about this. i think it's pretty clear at this point that kim jong-un is pulling back and intensifying some of the rhetoric. i think the president made the right decision. we've always approached this with a certain amount of cautious optimism. it is a missed opportunities for the north koreans. they have a lot to gain at the table. if they aren't willing to denuclearize the president has made it clear that's his priority. that's i think the world community's priority. if they aren't going to go there it is time to pull back
and take another look at this and restart the negotiations at another time. >> every meaningful deal gets back together and falls apart before it happens. the meetings supposed to be on today revealing what was going on in the f.b.i. and d.o.j. does it feel like it's getting crazy who is invited and who is not? >> seems like the invitation list or guest list has become more of an issue than it out to be. i hope that at least having a bipartisan sit down where you have members from both the house and senate republicans and democrats in the same room, whatever information is imparted there will shed some light on some of these questions and hopefully enable us to get some answers. now, obviously there are many of us who won't be at the meeting who are interested in who is going on as well. if there were attempts by the d.o.j. or f.b.i. to have some
interference in the last election, it is something we all need to know. i hope they get to the bottom of it today. and more information as the day wears on. >> are you comfortable with not going? >> i understand the intelligence on this and the top level security clearances are the folks that get presented with this information, the gang of eight. i hope we'll see it as well eventually. >> the president talking about the mid-term elections as well and here is what he said. >> president trump: your vote in 2018 is as important as your vote in 2016, although i'm not sure i really believe that but, you know. i don't know who the hell wrote that line. i'm not sure. [laughter] [applause] but it is still important, remember. that's why we will be campaigning for every last vote
in every part of our great country. >> does that sum it up? >> well, i think the president will be very involved and we're very interested in the senate. we have a very narrow 50/49 majority now and makes it challenging to get things done. if we want to get the president's agenda and our agenda across the finish line. giving us more republican senators is very important and i think the president knows that. >> what does it feel like right now to you? >> i think it feels good. the competitive races are in states where the president did well and we think we have a good opportunity and good candidates. so it all comes down to fielding good candidates and making sure they're resourced and having a good message benefiting from a reasonably good environment. if you look at it today, things can change. campaigns and all these environments change over time but i think we're in pretty good position right now. optimistic that we could have
some good successes this fall. >> senator, thank you for that. >> jon: much more ahead on our top story as the u.s. pulls out of a planned summit with kim jong-un. new reaction from congresswoman martha mcsally who sits on the house armed services committee is ahead. plus police are apologizing after release of body cam footage shows an officer using a taser after a routine stop for a parking violation. >> it revealed members acted inappropriately and they were recently disciplined. ners claimr so allstate is giving us money back on our bill. well, that seems fair. we didn't use it. wish we got money back on gym memberships. get money back hilarious. with claim-free rewards. switching to allstate is worth it.
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milwaukee police are issuing an apologize after the release of body cam footage of an officer arresting and using a taser on an nba player, sterling brown. the officer stopping the milwaukee bucks rookie over a parking violation before things turned confrontational. the milwaukee police chief expressing regret over the incident. >> our department conducted an investigation into the incident which revealed members acted inappropriately and those members were recently disciplined. criminal charges against mr. brown were not pursued. i'm sorry this incident escalated to this level. >> melissa: the milwaukee bucks are giving brown their full support calling the officers' actions shameful and inexcusable. >> jon: now this fox news alert. the white house has withdrawn from a planned june 12th summit
with kim jong-un after a top north korean official lashed out at vice president mike pence slamming his as a political dummy. president trump announcing his decision in a letter to kim jong-un saying quote sadly based on the trem en dose anger and open hostility displayed in your most recent statement i feel it is inappropriate at this time to have this long-planned meeting. joining us now arizona congresswoman martha mcsally a member of the house committee on armed services and homeland security. what do you think of the president's decision to cancel this meeting? >> well, i totally agree with his decision especially the developments of the last few days. look, kim jong-un has continued to play around with this thing and trying to act like he is an equal to us on the world stage. the reality is that he is a gnat in charge of a failed state. president trump is the leader of the free world and this is not a game. so just the rhetoric that
they've used has gone beyond posturing and back to the threats. so i totally agree that president trump needed to walk away to remind him we'll continue the maximum pressure campaign to crank up the noose on this failed state to stop them from achieving a nuclear weapon that can threat en our country. >> jon: this referred to vice president mike pence as a political dummy. is this a case of tit-for-tat or is that reason enough to withdraw from a summit? >> that combined with the threats. again, he is trying to act like he is an equal and he is not. they have a net income per capita of 5% of those living in south korea. they are an oppressive, failed state and through the leadership of president trump and this administration they've cranked up maximum pressure on them and we need to continue to choke it off in order to stay focused on our vital national interests. it was right for president trump to say enough is enough.
i'm not dealing with you as a peer. we're trying to give you a path forward that's good for your people but we aren't playing games and he is walking away. president reagan walked away from iceland with gorbachev. they are a failed state and they aren't going to continue on their path. >> jon: what is the purpose of you heading to that part of the world >> i am. i can't get into specifics for security purposes. our intent was to get eyes on the ground and talk to the troops and military leaders and our diplomatic leaders and those of south korea to see what is really happening. what is our readiness situation is. should we need to our troops are ready to defend our national interests and make sure they don't have a nuclear weapon able to hold an american city hostage. i wanted to get there firsthand and see what is going on ?* on the ground. >> jon: you are the first woman
to fly in combat for the u.s. air force. as a veteran and someone who has seen combat nobody likes the prospect of war less than a veteran. >> no. >> jon: the north koreans, if they don't come to their senses is that on the table? >> this administration and president trump and all those around him know and we're clear eyed that what we cannot have a north korea hold an american city hostage with a nuclear weapon. that can't happen. we must stop it. we use all elements of national power. a maximum pressure campaign with economic sanctions and diplomatic pressure and if we need to, we have to have all options on the table. the whole idea of deterring your enemy from doing something so dangerous is that you have to be willing and able to make it so painful for him that he has to change his behavior. so if needed, we will have a military ready and they are able and we are willing to stop them holding one of our cities
hostage. an awful scenario but second to having a nuclear weapon in his hands. >> jon: keep us updated on your trip to the korean peninsula. >> melissa: two months after the president deployed the national guard to the southern border we got a ride along on a busy sector of the u.s./mexico border. we're live with that story. the nfl's new stand on the national anthem. the politics of the league's policies and who the winners and losers really are. >> i'm glad they came to an agreement. some form or another. i'll be out there standing. i'm really into this car,
but how do i know if i'm getting a good deal? i tell truecar my zip and which car i want and truecar shows the range of prices people in my area actually paid for the same car so i know if i'm getting a great price. this is how car buying was always meant to be. this is truecar. >> jon: fox news alert. we're awaiting an appearance from president trump at the white house. he will be there momentarily signing the economic growth regulatory relief and consumer protection act. it is the republican's answer to what they see as the abuses of the dodd-frank legislation passed during the obama administration. the president expected to be in the white house any moment now to sign that legislation. when he does so we'll take you back there live. >> clearly our objective is a
league into all 32 clubs that was unanimous. we want people to be respectful of the national anthem and we want people to stand. that's all personnel and make sure they treat this moment in a respectful fashion. that's something that we think we owe. we've been very sensitive in making sure that we give players choices but we do believe that that moment is an important moment. >> melissa: that was roger goodell explaining the league east new policy regarding the national anthems and teams and league personnel will get fined after they don't follow it after kneeling protests have sparked a firestorm of controversies. on "fox & friends" this morning president trump reacting to the new policy. >> president trump: i don't think people should be staying in locker rooms. you have to stand proudly for the national anthem. or you shouldn't be playing or there. maybe you shouldn't be in the country. you have to stand proudly for the national anthem.
and the nfl owners did the right thing if that's what they've done. >> melissa: joining us now is a syndicated radio talk show host and a former communications director marco rubio. leslie, here we go. football season is starting. was it smart of them to have the change at the beginning or bringing something up where people on both sides are frustrated with? >> i'm glad you asked the question in that manner. i think it's the latter. first the nfl players were happy and felt the organization had their backs. they don't feel it now. the idea of a protest in the tunnel or locker room isn't a protest. if a tree falls in the forest but no one is there to see it or hear it did it fall. with regard to the first amendment, to me this is spitting upon freedom and the
constitution. and you know, melissa, it bothers me the nfl seems to be taking a knee than some of the other terrible things that many of the players in the nfl have been accused of, domestic violence and other things. to me this is just really bad all around for the players, for those that go to the games and for the #metoo movement. >> melissa: picking a scab off a wound or addressing it head on before the season gets started >> i'm a big football fan. i give the commissioner credit for finally making a decision. later is better than never in this case. look, last year these protests week after week was a distraction from the game for the reason why fans like me tuned in in the first place. the commissioner is right to finally address it. i give a lot of credit to the president for keeping the pressure on the nfl and keeping it on the radar forcing the owners to make this decision.
the players still have an option. if they don't want to stand for the national anthem they can wait in the locker room. at least there is a clear policy the players and everyone can look to and be ton same page and focus on football. >> melissa: i'm not advocating for this. playing the other side are they kind of saying move on by saying we've seen the protests, a lot of people have taken a knee. now at this point you can stand out there proudly or you have the choice to stay inside but let's move on. what do you think of sort of interpreting the decision that way? >> i like the idea that they have something that the entire league can agree on. i don't like what they've agreed to. i think this is not only going to reopen the wound but i think players will become creative and find other ways of protest without taking a knee and without being in the tunnel and the locker room. i think they are putting the spotlight on an issue once again that they want to go away because of failed ratings and sponsors complaining and the
bottom line, which is money. and that's what they care about. our tax dollars, melissa, don't pay for this. that's what bothers me about the president weighing in. this is not something like okay, this is a federal entity. this is a sport. >> melissa: he has the right to free speech just like everybody else. everybody is out there expressing an opinion. at the end of the day it is a business. the owners do own the teams and their images and they are trying to react to what gets ratings and fills the stands and do what's right from a financial perspective. they are businesses. >> what we saw the nfl go through last year was a crisis, they didn't have a policy that the players can't damage the business by causing these distractions. now they have that policy in place and hopefully it will
make things much smoother moving forward. i think the president has every right to speak out about organizations that are as important to the american people as the nfl is. >> melissa: i want to point out to people what they're seeing at the bottom of the screen. the president is getting ready to sign a rollback of dodd-frank. what is significant about this as well is that it's the first time we will see him out there at the podium since the meeting with north korea, the summit has been canceled. we sort of expect that perhaps in conjunction and in addition to talking about what he is actually there for. you see wilbur ross on the right who has anything to do with business. we expect he might say something about north korea as well. what do you think? >> if we talk about north korea, i don't think this is the art of a good deal. the reason i say that is we have angered russia and china but more so a key ally, south korea. this could have been a very
historic meeting. i think the president, the way he has put it has said i hope you come back to the table. no, president trump, you canceled this meeting and i understand why he did it. to me it becomes childish to say you said something that we don't like. you made a statement we don't like. meeting is off. that's a different kind of deal. maybe it works in the boardroom but not on an international level regarding nuclear weapons and diplomacy. >> melissa: i would say that's not how it works in the boardroom. when you sit there and say respectfully we can't make it any further and not have this meeting. it is not about what was said it is about the specifics of the deal they were negotiating behind the scenes and the idea that the president is saying you have my best and final offer. if you aren't interested in that, maybe that's what was going on, we are now canceling this summit. what do you think of that interpretation of today's events? there are a lot of folks out there saying that's what they think is going on here. >> that's absolutely right. normally when heads of state
meet like they were going to meet next month in singapore it is to codify some sort of an agreement. so they put the deadline out there of june 12th to say we'll have an agreement by then. clearly given the north korean's recent statements they weren't ready to make a deal. if you don't have a deal in place for the june 12th meeting the president is absolutely right to cancel the meeting. it keeps the pressure on the north koreans, is sanctions remain in place. in the meantime we have the hostages back. they destroyed one of their nuclear test facilities this morning. i think progress is being made with the president's policies. we have a long way to go and still a tremendous threat but there is no doubt in my mind and most senators in the buildings behind me would agree with this, there is no doubt that canceling the meeting was the right thing to do because the time was not right, the agreement was not in place. it wasn't going to be a productive use of everyone's time and a setback of keeping
the sanctions in place in the long term. >> melissa: you don't think this is the last we're hearing in this negotiation, do you? >> absolutely not, no. you know i'm not a big fan of the president but i think he actually sitting down with kim jong-un might get farther. i think they have some similar traits in their personalities and i think quite frankly if a deal is to be made that's when it is hammered out. not agreed to before. i think we're naive to think kim jong-un would come to the table and say i'll completely denuclearize north korea with american troops in south korea. he won't do that. he won't agree to that. >> melissa: she makes a bunch of good points. it's possible they're talking about what they are going to agree to. maybe they have to a stalling point. they don't necessarily have to have every detail before he goes in the sense he does tend to do better with people when he is in the room. what do you think? >> i think that's right and that some details could be ironed out between the two
leaders when they meet face-to-face. however, when their principals are so far apart. the u.s. is demanding he gets rid of nuclear weapons and he says no way he will get rid of the nuclear weapons. i don't know how you resolve that in 10 or 12 days. i think it's better to leave the sanctions in place. the moment you have that meeting the pressure comes off the north koreans in terms of the sanctions. they can blame trump and the u.s. for being unreasonable and then it's easier for the chinese to take the pressure off north korea, the sanctions. the most important thing that president trump can do moving forward is keep the sanctions on the north koreans. it is bringing them to the table. they need to come ready to make a deal. if they weren't ready to make a deal on june 12 he did the right thing to cancel that meeting. >> melissa: to have his note in
the public to read to kim jong-un and hear the language and feel it is not his normal language. so to me it seems to indicate that there is still a ton of diplomacy going on and it seemed like every word in that letter was very carefully chosen to deliver a specific message. what are your thoughts on that? >> i agree with you 100%. i think some of the letter is quintessential donald trump. but i think there is certainly diplomacy thanking for the hostage release. i felt that we had and were building a good relationship although i think that may be the president's own words it is clear somebody looked it over and edited and tweaked it, as they would with any leader. what is interesting, melissa, is that unfortunately at this moment the president finds himself, which for the past 50 years administrations both left and right have found themselves n a bit of a quagmire with north korea. imposing sanctions, hoping to have meetings and diplomacy
both left and right criticize each other for but we've seen obama and clinton and bush and reagan and daddy bush have the same problems with regard to north korea regardless of who is leading that country at the time as we're seeing now the president is grappling with with kim jong-un at the helm. >> jon: alex, was it a mistake for the president to negotiate with the north koreans in the first place? a lot of observers said the prospect of a meeting elevated kim's standing on the world stage because all of a sudden this dictator would be meeting with the most powerful man in the world. >> that was the risk the president took. it is why previous presidents have been reluctant to offer to meet with the leader of north korea. however, i think if you look at the failure of the past policies, the failures of the previous presidents, clearly something different needed to be tried. in part because the problem now
is more acute than it was a couple of years ago even for president obama. now we know that the north koreans have nuclear weapons because they've demonstrated their ability to explode them and we know they are getting really good at long-range missiles that very soon would be able to carry a nuclear warhead to where i'm sitting here in washington, d.c. and so therefore it is critical that we confront this issue now. i give the president credit for changing policies, taking some risks, and trying to engage the north koreans more directly since the multi-lateral approach in the past just has not been successful. and he has dramatically increased the sanctions and we've already seen some results as we discussed in terms of getting the hostages back. this problem is not solved. he is making progress but not ready to get the nobel peace prize quite yet. the north koreans haven't agreed to disarm or get rid of their nuclear weapons. that's the ultimate goal here.
look, having a dialogue with the north koreans can be producttive so long as it doesn't jeopardize the sanctions regime currently in place. the president is clear-eyed about this and i give him credit for canceling the summit in two weeks knowing it was likely to not be successful and could be counterproductive. >> jon: for our viewers we're waiting the ceremony on screen at the white house, waiting for president trump to emerge. he will be signing legislation that sessionly -- rolls back some of the restrictions of dodd-frank in the months after the great recession began. it puts severe restrictions on banks of all sizes and the smaller community banks, the local banks complained it was really, really affecting their ability to do business because they were awash in paperwork as a result. the president is going to sign legislation to release some of those banks from that kind of
onerous obligation. there will be a lot of rejoicing in smallville as a result. >> melissa: we'll see. in the meantime we want to bring in jennifer griffin live at the pentagon right now. no doubt there is a lot of reaction there to this change in plans over north korea. what was the response around you like? did it feel like a surprise or did it feel like this is where we were headed at least for the time being? >> we started seeing some indications that there was likely to be trouble with these talks. there were indications here at the pentagon yesterday that there were high-level meetings taking place in the wake of some of the actions that china has taken in recent weeks. if you look at what the pentagon did yesterday, it is all interconnected to these north korean talks and the cancellation of the talks. there was a belief at the top level of the pentagon and you heard the president express it that china's president xi, when kim jong-un went to beijing to
meet with him. that shortly after that as the white house was engaged in very tough trade talks, that's when kim jong-un started to pull back and indicate that maybe these talks wouldn't go forward and started making some threatening statements and we saw the pentagon yesterday disinvite -- take the unprecedented move of disinviting china to upcoming military exercises at the end of june that would involve 27 nations. known as rim pack at the rim of the pacific. it was a sign to us the pentagon was starting to send a signal to the chinese. remember, they just last week landed a nuclear-capable bomber on the disputed woody islands in the south china sea. the war footing in terms of the way china is behaving, it was not setting the tone for these talks and while china was very helpful in bringing kim jong-un to the table and helping the u.s. with sanctions in the early months of the administration, the actions in
the last few weeks of president xi had caught the attention and now unfortunately what is going to happen is the pentagon is going to have to go back to that sending signals that the strong pressure that was believed to have gotten kim jong-un to the table. so once again the pentagon wants this to be a diplomaticly solved resolved issue but we still have 28,500 u.s. troops on the korean peninsula. you still have war exercises taking place in the next coming weeks that have always made kim jong-un anxious. so we're in a very, very tense situation as we see these talks called off. >> melissa: was it supposed to look like to all of asia is we are putting the pressure back on. before we were trying to seem more diplomatic and opening the door but at this point it's a tough stance and the president said in that letter, you know,
basically i'm paraphrasing kim jong-un has said a lot of hostile things in the past 24 hours the end of the day that really matters is the conversation between the two leaders and its potential. what did you make of that part of the note and contrasting that with what you were just talking about and seeing elsewhere in the world? >> i think what's important to remember the pentagon never took the pressure off. they did not submit to requests from the south koreans to not use b-52 bombers in upcoming exercises. the south koreans pulled out of those exercises. they have been slightly concerned at times that maybe the u.s. was pushing too much in keeping the military posture as strong as it has been. the pentagon has not backed off of that. but you hear from defense secretary mattis and others that they always wanted this to be a diplomatically-led process and they still intend to keep -- continue with exercises. they weren't going to call off
any of the exercises just because kim jong-un had decided to come to the table. the president, i think now, has taken the decision to not meet with kim mostly because he was getting indications that kim was getting cold feet. and the belief at the pentagon and at the white house was that that pressure, the slowing down, was intricately related to the trade talks and china wanting kim to go slower. this is a high-stakes poker game and i think they've called -- the president essentially has called kim's bluff and now the question is can they get the talks back on track in the future. >> jon: that secret meeting between kim and president xi a week ago, a lot of people were surprised by that. is it a feeling at the pentagon or the white house that xi leaned on kim to sort of back away from doing some kind of deal with the president?
>> that's certainly what the president said the other day in remarks at the white house. and i've heard that from senior leaders here at the pentagon. i believe the assessment at the time was that something happened during that meeting because the tone started changing from kim jong-un after that meeting with president xi. >> melissa: it's interesting jennifer you make the point it seemed like kim jong-un was getting cold feet here and the pentagon didn't ever soften their stance or pressure. everybody loves to quarterback afterwards and look back. will the administration now be criticized for having, you know, pressured him to the point where he got cold feet? >> well, there will always be criticism. the question is did the administration -- i think the biggest criticism will be does the administration, the white house as well as secretary pompeo indicate or send a message through their body language and the things they
were telling kim publicly that they wanted these talks too much? did they seem too eager? the biggest criticism i've heard is many of the long-time negotiators who dealt with north korea in the past felt that over a month ago the administration should have gone quiet about these talks. there were too many sunday show interviews and too many interviews that could be misinterpreted by kim jong-un who is unpredictable. >> jon: what has been the reaction from china since they've been disinvited from the rim pac exercises. >> we have not heard any direct response from the chinese after that unprecedented move yesterday for the pentagon to disinvite them from this high-profile 27-nation military exercise which they had participated back in 2014 and 2012. they participated twice before. this was designed as a confidence-building measure with the chinese military and
navy. we have not heard any public remarks from the chinese in response to that but that is a very strong signal about where the pentagon is and how they are going to maintain pressure and they are not -- they may start responding more, i think, to some of china's moves in the south china sea. remember that there was a time where we were responding very aggressively to those moves and then i think as china was helping with the north korean situation, some of those public military reactions to china's mill -- >> melissa: if you say the loudest criticism you were hearing ahead of this being too eager. the idea of the president pulling the plug may have been the best remedy. we'll listen into the president right now. thanks, jennifer. >> president trump: hello, everybody.
thank you very much. i would like to begin by saying that based on the recent statement of north korea, i have decided to terminate the planned summit in singapore on june 12th. while many things can happen and a great opportunity lies ahead potentially, i believe that this is a tremendous setback for north korea and indeed a setback for the world. i've spoken to general mattis and the joint chiefs of staff and our military, which is by far the most powerful anywhere in the world and has been greatly enhanced recently, as you all know, is ready if necessary. likewise, i have spoken to south korea and japan.
and they are not only ready should foolish or reckless acts be taken by north korea, but they are willing to shoulder much of the cost of any financial burden, any of the costs associated by the united states in operations if such an unfortunate situation is forced upon us. hopefully positive things will be taking place with respect to the future of north korea. but if they don't, we are more ready than we have ever been before. north korea has the opportunity to end decades of poverty and oppression by following the path of denuclearization and joining the community of
nations. and i hope that kim jong-un will ultimately do what is right not only for himself, but perhaps most importantly what is right for his people who are suffering greatly and needlessly. all of the korean people, north and south, deserve to be able to live together in harmony, prosperity and peace. that bright and beautiful future can only happen when the threat of nuclear weapons is removed. no way it can happen otherwise. if and when kim jong-un chooses to engage in constructive dialogue and actions, i am waiting. in the meantime, our very strong sanctions, by far the
strongest sanctions ever imposed, and maximum pressure campaign will continue as it has been continuing. but no matter what happens, and what we do, we will never, ever compromise the safety and security of the united states of america. i want to make that statement. i feel very, very strongly about it. our military, as you know, has been greatly enhanced. we'll soon be at a level it has never been before. our approval of $700 billion this year and $716 billion next year, largely due to the help of a lot of the people with me today and standing right here,
we appreciate. but we had to do that for our military and we have done it and hopefully everything will work out well with north korea. and a lot of things can happen. including the fact that perhaps -- and we'll wait -- it's possible that the existing summit could take place or a summit at some later date. nobody should be anxious. we have to get it right. okay. with that being said, we have something else which i have to tell you all of you chairmen, mike, and everybody, that was a big deal until this came up. [laughter] i don't know, where is mike? where are you? mike, congratulations. you did a great job. it doesn't seem so important now. [laughter] but it is important. it's incredible. and it is incredible that you've done it and done it in a very bipartisan way, which is very nice. thank you very much. but a very bipartisan way, mike.
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committee. he has insulted and degraded the presidency through the past year, and now would object to having a security clearance lifted. i cannot imagine why any of those people retained a security clearance. they are absolutely no use to any of them unless they are monetizing it as senator rand paul has said. and i thought, frankly, your discussion with rand paul hit exactly the right to note in questioning the existence of security clearance for former officials period for any reason. >> he is a cable news gabbert, he is an a consultant -- consultant cable news. so is jim clapper. and it raises the question, why don't i have one, why don't you have one? what could be the justification for that? >> i am holding out for subpoena
power, i would much prefer subpoena power. we will have lunch and go from there. i think this is just an absurdity that it exists at all. think about jim clapper and the quality of people that were in e obama intelligence leading the intelligence community under president obama. clapper, i believe michael rogers, the head of the nsa out of this, he is a sterling quality individual. but clapper and brennan and comey, are you kidding? why in the world what they have clearance? >> tucker: you see these formal liberals in good standing defending this and it makes you realize whatever trump is for, they are against. and vice versa. so it's easy to beat them. now there are for ms-13, and for acting in porn movies as a noble
oppression and profession. how easy would it be to get them to take totally insane positions by telling them that trump is against it? >> i do not think it would be difficult as you point out at all. think about the positions that clapper has taken. the lies that he has told. comey misrepresented at the very least, so much. he talked about president trump as a man who is nefarious, but this is the man, he was perfectly willing to serve as his fbi director. and the list goes on. the madness and the intrigue is overwhelming. i expect to most americans. because first they did not know that these people had security clearances, still. they did not understand why they got them in the first place. and ascended to the top of the agencies. and the fact is, whether it is the fbi, the cia, the dni, what
were their great accomplishments in achievements in leading the intelligence community? >> tucker: exactly, yeah. >> the history of the intelligence community over the past 20 years is a sad and sorry tale. >> tucker: if i weren't in the white house, i would convene a month-long symposium against human trafficking to watch moaning door -- morning joe. >> i will endorse that idea. that is a lovely idea. >> tucker: great to see you. a former cia analyst, he worked with he and why pd, you worked in this world, you have a better sense of this, does this apply across all government agencies? if i am a rifleman, do i get to keep my rifle, or do i get to keep my howitzer when i leave, is this a way that it works? >> there are specific laws in clearances and also customs, when you're talking about former agency heads, they tend to keep
them in a way that run-of-the-mill employees like me, don't. and also as a courtesy, the ability to go back in and still have real-time access to classified information if they were called in for that. that is the justification for this, but i know the whole debate just highlights a bigger problem in a much more nefarious issue. with all of these people lecturing us about institutions being undermined, and look what is happening to us, the hacking of our democracy. we have the former intel chiefs of the biggest agencies in the government, and the biggest apparatus on the planet that are trying to undermine the sitting president of the united states and they were the intel chief ten or 20 years ago, but the most recent one, that means every time you have clapper, brennan, others, talking about the russia collusion case, there is at least some perception, and some of them have tried to enhance this with what they have said, they dance around that they are drawing upon their
classified knowledge to make some of these assumptions. they have extra gravitas. they should be paying attention no more. that is insidious. this is deeply destructive to the fate that any future president could have in the previous administration appointee at that level. that is something that does not get talked about enough at all here. >> tucker: no, that is a very wise point. remind us again the point of having all of these agencies, the intel apparatus, existing only to serve the executive and to help him or her or make wise foreign policy decisions, correct? is there some other reason to have a cia? >> there are a lot of agencies, 17 and intel community that some of the will correct me on that one, because it has grown since i was in it. but they exist to get national security purposes, they tell yoc instances, but they are branch agencies, and that brings us to they should be serving the
executive branch, the same way that they do not really accept that president trump is the president and code fire comey for any reason or no reason, he. all of this freak out that you are seeing from people is a form of trump derangement syndrome on display. most of these journalists have no idea what they are talking about. they have never held a clearance, they do not wiggle goats -- know what goes into this. >> tucker: also they are dumb, if trump is -- he is in an efficient one. if brennan and clapper still have clearances, it is not much of a police state. great to see you. >> good to see you, thanks. >> tucker: inflamed over on the left, tempers are not cooling over this weekend, the denver post posting an letter to the editor that trump and other members of the administration deserve to be executed for treason. as we do so very often, we bring
in some perspective, fox news senior political analyst greg hume has seen everything, and he can put that in the appropriate context and calm us down. >> nice to see you, tucker. >> tucker: what do you make of this? >> i read the letter and it references trump as some kind of trader and notes that the rosenbergs were found guilty of that, and were executed. i did not quite see this as a suggestion that trump be executed, but it was close to the line. and he might have thought the editors at "the denver post" would've been more careful publishing it. but if we were not talking about it tonight, i do not think that the world will look longer than a few minutes to note that it would happen. >> tucker: but it raises the larger question, which is, and correctly that treason is a death penalty offense, and the
rosenbergs were indeed executed for it at sing sing. and if you accuse to someone of that, particularly an elected official, you are making a big charge. >> you are. this is the thing about this, it came up in your previous segment when you were talking about john brennan, who openly accused the president of treason. we now inhabit an age of exaggeration. everybody goes to battle stations and two devcon one over everything. so it is not to say that president trump unwisely sided with putin. no, it is treason and he is a traitor. and on the other side, of course, everybody is said to be corrupt and there is no reason of discussion going on right no now. everybody on all sides that goes completely berserk, hair on fire over everything. and on and on it goes. right now there is a battle royale race in washington over the interpretation of the
materials that the phis application materials that were released at the end of last wee week. as to their interpretation. some journalists are writing after reviewing them that they support the conclusions reached by the house intelligence committee. others are saying that that is all a lie. that they do not support that at all, i have never seen such diametrically opposed interpretations. and it is all at the highest possible decimal level. like nothing i've ever seen before. >> tucker: what would happen if there was an actual crisis? if there was an attack, a physical attack, not a metaphorical one, and we found ourselves at war? how would they prosecute? >> it would be entirely up to the government itself. because i'm sure that the president could interpret anything as a whack the dog scenario i believe that it was false, and the intelligence will report that it was false and so on. nobody trusts anybody. and that extends to the
congress, to the media, to the competition among media outlets that is more intense than i've ever seen. and all media outlets criticize all other media outlets, professional courtesy is all but gone, and we inhabit an age where everybody is at the ramparts over everything all day, every day. >> tucker: i have noticed that. brit hume, the calm despite all of it. thank you very much. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: bernie sanders loss the 2016 democratic primary, not entirely legitimate reasons paid by democratic socialism which is what he ran on appears to be taking over his party, irony of ironies, what is it? we will talk to one of the architects of the bernie sanders 2016 presidential campaign, coming up. ♪ ♪
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it's the ultimate wifi experience. xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. ♪ "tucker carlson tonight" democratic socialism has over the last 100 years been a fringe belief on the left. now socialists are running for office across the united states and they are winning democratic primaries, on "w" joy behar started arguing with her ideology. here's part of it. >> on your platform you should pay the amount of taxes that every socialist things that you need to. >> they have just given this enormous tax break to the enormously wealthy in this country. it does not have to be so generous to really rich people, does it? because if you do not give that money to them, what happens to that money? better schools, better post office.
better deposits. >> you think it is so good at running things, then the post office, the va, some of us do not want socialism to be the norm. >> we will be right back. >> tucker: she did not release her tax return so that we could see how many deductions she took. meanwhile jeff weaver managing bernie sanders campaign, "how bernie won, the revolution taken back our country and where we go from here." jeff weaver joins us. thank you for coming on. >> think of for having me, i really appreciate it. >> tucker: you just did an interview, and aspects of what is the creed and socialism, here is what you said, people want economic security, health care, dignity and old age, and they want to know that they are not going to die with nothing. all pretty reasonable sounding ideas, when i listen to -- and how we pay for them as a point, but we can debate that.
we hear modern democrats talking, it is never about economics, it is about abortion, it is overwhelmingly about immigration and why we need to let people stay here whether they are legal or not. it is nothing about an agenda of empowering the middle class economically, why is that? >> let me tell you, democrats have to start walking and chewing gum at the same time. we have to talk about the plight of marginalized communities that have been targeted by the president during his administration, but we also have to talk about the economic needs of every buddy in the zip code of every place in this country. people are anxious about their futures, their kids futures. taking care of their aging parents. we have to talk about all of these issues, frankly. i agree with you. >> tucker: writes, but there is only so much time in the day, so much attention. there's really only so much that our system can digest. if your fixed station is with the like transgender bathrooms.
>> how many shows on plastic straws are you going to have on fox? >> tucker: okay, we did one. we do a lot of segments on economics, because i think it is really important. >> i would not call that an economic issue. >> tucker: i'm not claiming that it was, we do a lot of segments on or economic issues like this one. your elites never say anything about how inviting millions of poor people into the country every year might depress wages for the working class. >> we are not talking about inviting and millions of people, the truth of the matter is that we do have millions of people in this country living in a shadow working hard, many are paying taxes. their kids are in schools. they are contributing to our country. and we have to recognize that reality, that is for sure. let's talk about the core economic issues. you want to talk about "democratic socialism." people on fox love scary labels, let's talk about what that
means. >> tucker: for one, i am giving you the fairest possible shake that you will get in any channel ever. i'm taking your idea seriously. i'm not mocking you, i'm just wondering if your ideas are not on a collision course with the agenda set by the elites in your party. you know as well as i do, that it is, yes. they are incompatible. what you are saying is not compatible with what they are saying. >> we need a democratic party in this country in a government that represents the needs of ordinary people and that includes an agenda that guarantees health care to all people and pays people a living wage and pays equally whether you are a man or woman that protects our environment, that gives people an opportunity to go to college and have a good life. that's what i'm talking about. people not retiring in poverty and destroying social security. these are the things that people are talking about and the person and movement. and if you look at the calling, it is wildly popular. >> tucker: i agree with a lot of what you just said. what you said that it is not true at all is that that is what they are talking about, they are not.
they are talking about race,, identity politics, they are attacking people because of their skin color, i do this for a living. >> don't go to this skin color, because we go to the white house where that starts, frankly, my friend. >> tucker: honestly, every time i talk to progressives, it's like white man this. what does that have to do with empowering the average person app economically? >> we have to empower people of all races in this country, and you cannot ignore race and gender and other things. if you are a smart guy, i am not on a "hannity" here, this is a real show. >> tucker: oh, please. i am not ignoring the issues, but the people who are clearly in charge, do you personally, as if -- as a serious guy get a little bit tired of having to follow inflamed upper middle-class college students who are yelping about identity politics?
don't you think that it is a distraction from the adult issues or no? >> i think that you are creating a false dichotomy. they are issues of economics, we have to speak to both, and people who advocate one or the other, i am in conflict of those people that think that we only have to talk about one side of this two sided coin. we have to talk about the important issues that affect marginalized communities and laying out an economic agenda that is going to uplift people of all races in every zip code in this country. that is a mission in front of us. if you look at bernie sanders historic campaign in 2016 he won overall independent voters in the democratic primary of a process. including places that were very, very red. because folks understood that he was standing with their families and their everyday struggles. that's what we as democrats and progressives have to do. >> tucker: i am kind of aware of that. i just think that this is where i have to disagree, i think that the identity politics people are beating you. and i hope that i am wrong.
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>> tucker: with all the screeching recently about vladimir putin and russia! and trees and! it has been easy to miss the real news. we have some real newsprint of the united states is inching closer to some kind of conflict with iran. this sunday the president tweeted this "two iranian president never, ever threaten the united states again or you will suffer the consequences, the likes of which few throughout history have ever suffered before. we are no longer a country that will stand for your demented words of violence and depth. be cautious!" the press is usually quick to jump on the tweets, but cnn has an entire team of progressive teenagers devoted to them and demoted to his feed. but there was not much comment from the media, why? is if there is one thing more than -- it is pointless for his half world away, feeling
powerful, nancy pelosi agree on one thing, war is good as long as the war does not help the united states. john bolton finds himself in that camp. repeatedly has called for toppling the iranian government again and again. but never suggested what might replace the iranian government once it is toppled. the national security advisor, changing our policy is, the u.s. has begun promoting protest within iran to overthrow the regime they are. secretary of state mike pompeo appears to be on board with this. nikki haley definitely is. here's a recent sampling of her saber rattling on iran. >> our government has a long history of murdering its own people who dare to speak the truth. the iranian regime is now on notice. the world will be watching what you do. >> if you want to come to the table and work on a new deal, we will talk to you, but you're not going to threaten us to do it. >> iran messed with the wrong president. >> they absolutely did.
>> some of that is bluster, but some of it is exactly what it looks like. to the groundwork for conflict, we are moving towards however slowly, some type of confrontation with iran, and that's a worry everybody, but especially be of concern to anybody who supported the president. if president trump goes to war with iran, he will destroy his presidency just as the iraq war from the presidency of his predecessor george w. bush, not like libya or syria or invading iraq. far greater risk and much higher cost. geographically, it is about three times the size of iraq, three times the people, and iraq was a divided country along religious lines. it is a much richer country with a military that i spent many years preparing for a u.s. invasion. it is a formidable force. in 2,002 carrying out a war game that was widely regarded as a simulation of an invasion of iran. it went badly. america suffered more than
20,000 casualties in a single day and officials halted the game. it is not if america could beat iran, yes, it could. the question is is it ready to try? less ready than ever, actually, compared to 2003, the country is deeper in debt and formerly politically divided. the military is overstretched, ask anybody in it. and china is much stronger than it was 15 years ago. you can bet the chinese military will be more assertive than ever when we are tied down in another quagmire. does anybody outside of washington actually supports a new war in iran? the saudi royal family does. so do the leaders of other gulf states, they see iran as their greatest rival and they would loved to have america fight a war against iran for them. president trump supporters know better, you remember back in 2016 during the republican primary debate in south carolina, donald trump was the only person on that stage to call the iraq war a mistake. he vowed never to repeat anything like that and promised
that if elected he would act only in america's interest. they said that he would lose, it was over a period of thing that had sealed his fate. and of course they were wrong and he won. republican voters agreed with him, it turned out. they had a better sense of the truth. a lot of their kids were serving in the military. two and a half years later, amazingly, the president's advisors are telling him that he must abandon that promise, iran is too important, they say. it is the greatest threat this country faces despite the fact that virtually every terror attack in america has been inspired not by iran, but by iran sunni enemies, the mullahs are months away from building a nuke. these people have been saying the same thing, word for word for more than a decade. you can look it up on google. if they have no idea what they are talking about. their track records are embarrassing. disaster after disaster. it would be selling time-shares in maui or doing something
useful. instead they have more political power than they have ever had, almost to a person in the same group, bitterly opposed to the president that they now work for. repeatedly attacked him in public and attacked him savagely in private. they consider his ideas absurd to this day. regard the notion of putting america first as morally slim and morally offensive. fully on bill kristol's team. he was encouraging nikki haley to challenge her boss, bonnell only max donald trump in a way t makes sense, if there was a slun washington, you're looking at it. they are working overtime to ensnare the president in a mass in iran, let's hope that he understands what is going on. douglas mcgregor is a retired army colonel, author of the book "margin of victory." a frequent guest on this show, he joins us tonight. thank you for coming on. >> i appreciated. >> and i cannot help since i have been in washington for three years notice that the very
people who are pushing this new entanglement, this new enterprise are the trump administration's greatest enemies on every subject, and they are also the same people who predicted outcomes that never came to pass. and in other words they have been wrong again and again and again, how do they have power? >> i think that president trump lost control of the whole appointment process, stabbing the government shortly after the election. i do not know the details, but he ended up appointing large numbers of paper gloom and people who brought and their fr, almost all of whom were opposedo donald trump and his agenda. it is important to say something about the president's comments, because he is right, if you look at the iran -- irani military establishment. if there were a war, it would be a one-sided affair, but the problem is that wars do not work that way. they tend to move in directions
that no one anticipated. suddenly people that you would think otherwise would avoid conflict might decide that it is not in their interest to see iran destroyed. and i'm thinking of russia, and i am thinking of china as perfect examples. why would they stand by and watch us pulverize iran? it seems very unlikely. i think that president trump understands that. impact this afternoon afternoon when he talked to vfw he made tt of the deal with iran but is open to a another deal, he is open to talking and negotiating trade he has talked to the russians and he has talked to the north koreans, that seems to have had a positive impact on north east asia. we do not know what will happen in the future, but i think that is a good sign. so donald trump understands that anybody who threatens the united states should seek psychiatric care, because donald trump means what he says. he will fight to defend the united states. on the other hand, i do not see any defense that he is
interested in precipitating a conflict. >> tucker: do you think that to the advisors around him who is comments that we just played, nikki haley or john bolton -- take, this with pre-existing negotiations. >> yes, but he has not to listen to his advisors. we would have never made any progress on the united states permit the left. we were not to be working with the chinese, we would have never met with vladimir putin. so god bless the president, he does not listen to these people. the thing that worries me given some of the comments that are being made, the red meat on the table for the war lobby. we know that there are a lot of people who would welcome conflict with iran. the president needs to watch carefully for the potential for something like the gulf of tonga incident. many of your viewers may not remember that, and never happen. and we could very well be treated as something like that in the gulf. you should watch for that. and this is an example of
president trump's comments on fake newsprint he should not be sabotaged by fake news. >> tucker: we have seen it happen twice in syria, colonel, thank you very much. great to see you. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: activist says that conservatives only want planned parenthood to be defunded in order to force the nation's women to get pregnant. it is a confusing argument, we will allow her to explain it next. ♪ she's saying a whole lotta people want to buy this house. but you got this! rocket mortgage by quicken loans makes the complex simple. understand the details and get approved in as few as eight minutes. by america's largest mortgage lender. so let's promote our summer travel deal on choicehotels.com like this. surfs up. earn a $50 gift card when you stay just twice this summer. or, badda book. badda boom. book now at choicehotels.com
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national organization for women says that the real goal of defunding planned parenthood is not to prevent tax payers for paying for something they are poor, abortion, it is forcing women to get pregnant. it is great to see you, thank you for coming on. >> thank you. well, tucker, if you take away the access to abortion and to take away birth control, which is a really big issue that we have to discuss here tonight, you are indeed forcing women to have children. let's get to the point. >> tucker: i wonder how many people, i think that most of our viewers know that what you're seeing is pure lunacy and dishonest. and you do too. but just for fun, it reverse engineer. who is taking away the right to have an abortion? i think the law, i read it, the proposed regulation change would make it less likely that taxpayers have to pay for abortion. it is at the same as banning ants? >> that's be really clear, this is the reason that i wanted to
come on your show, because i need to dispel the myth. i went all of the viewers to understand, you're taxpayers do not pay for abortions in this country. taxpayers do not pay for abortions. >> tucker: oh, they don't, but they do give half a billion dollars to the largest abortion provider. >> in the case of rape and if a woman is dying, those are the two situations since 1977. >> tucker: this is propaganda here. we pay, taxpayers at gunpoint, half a billion to planned parenthood that commits more abortion than anybody else in the country. >> i do not think that you should joke at gunpoint. >> tucker: i'm not joking. it is at gunpoint, if you do not pay her taxes, they come and arrest you, the cops arrest you. if you do not pay it voluntarily, you do because they back it up with a threat of force.
>> if you give me a moment to speak, what everybody should understand is that planned parenthood works just like any other medical provider. they get reimbursed for the procedures that they performed that are approved by the government, so they get reimbursement for std testing, they get reimbursed for all of those other services that they do, but not for abortions. i want to take a moment to talk about what is happening -- >> tucker: you have taken a lot of moments to talk, so -- >> we have 4 minutes down to two. >> tucker: you think that abortion is a constitutional right, i think the right to bear arms is because i have read the bill of rights. why should taxpayers not be forced to subsidize the nra or buy my guns? >> now talking lunacy and who is being dishonest? >> tucker: you want me to pay for an abortion. >> you're giving me the moral excerpt, just answer the question. >> i went viewers to know that one in four women are in this
country have an abortion. i'm not answering question, no. >> tucker: it is a real interesting question. because it hurts. >> i'm trying to speak to your viewers, one in four women have an abortion in this country. that could be cut down to one in three. the reason why it has gone down is because we have teamed pregnancy prevention programs that have been successful. >> tucker: let me ask you a question. this is why i never like to talk to the abortion people, because they just shout. don't make me cut you off, please. >> they want to revert that to abstinence only education. >> tucker: all right, so now, i tried. it was a good faith effort. i hate cutting people off, but you are too obnoxious. i'm sorry. right here on the show, we warn you that the fda was putting the country at risk in the way that they were hiring air traffic controllers, now they have claimed that they have changed.
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the department of transportation says that they policies in the name of safety. mr. bradberry, thank you for coming on. >> thank you for having me on, tucker. >> tucker: it was a pretty simple story, and i think that the fix is pretty simple, can you assure our viewers that air traffic controllers will be hired solely on the basis of relevant criteria, other words, how good they are at air traffic controlling. not on the basis of irrelevant criteria like their appearance. >> that's right, we are making a change to no longer use that biographical assessment that the faa has used since 2014. and that you featured on your show. i will point out that the version that you focused on with the questions that you highlighted, which i agree are counterintuitive at best was used for one year in 2014. changes were made, and a new
assessment was used after 2014 with different questions, and it did not have those questions that you had focused on, nevertheless, in 2016, congress prohibited the faa from using the biographical assessment to screen applicants more than half of the applicants for entry-level positions as trainees for the air traffic control. >> hang on, wait, you are getting in the weeds, and i think it is a red herring, the question is not whether or not it is used, the question is solely, is the hiring done exclusively on the basis of skills-based criteria, relevant criteria? does a person's appearance, orientation, parents background, does that play any role in hiring at all? >> no. >> tucker: because if it does, that is dangerous. >> it does not, and we agree with you, for hiring of trainees for the academy to be trained as air traffic controllers, you
really should focus exclusively on aptitude, competence for being an excellent air traffic controller. so we are making, we are clearing the decks and what we are doing, and i am announcing on your show tonight is that the faa is no longer going to use a biographical assessment in any form and instead is going to give all applicants for these entry-level positions the aptitude test which is the air traffic skills assessment test, which just tests for aptitude for the characteristics of being an excellent air traffic controller. and that test is validated and has been standardized. it is proctored tests or do the same test that applicants take who are graduates of the collegiate training initiative schools. and who apply for the academy to be air traffic control trainees. and i think that it is important, tucker, to point out that what we are talking about is the incoming candidates for the academy. where they get trained, like a boot camp for air traffic
control duties, these are not people who are hired and put on the job in control towers to be air traffic controllers. they have to go through very rigorous training at the academy. many of them wash out, sometimes more than half washout. >> tucker: for our purposes -- >> 2-3 years of on-the-job training as well before they can be certified as professional air traffic control. >> tucker: the bottom line is, i'm sorry, before we did the segment, this was still going on. so before you take too much credit, i'm glad that you made that change, but this is still going on. we shined a light on it. >> well, listen, i give you an assist for helping us focus on the issue. >> tucker: helping you focus on it, i am glad that you did, but i want to be clear about that, i think that you needed to shine a light on it. we appreciate it, thank you. unfortunately, we are out of time, democratic candidate of
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>> tucker: and most of america the political machines are dead and buried, but in the state of illinois, though old machines live on. america's second-most dysfunctional state, the most dysfunctional is the biggest. democratic candidate willie wilson appeared in a chicago church on sunday handing out bundles of cash to parishioners. to help them pay their bills, overall he gave over more than $200,000. here's the amazing thing, he said it is totally unrelated to the fact that he is running for mayor. amazing! just a generous man. the state election board says that no laws have been broken. of course not, they are never broken in illinois. we would not want to impugn the integrity of the politician. why is the goya veg rotting in prison until he is old, when you have a city like that, is rod blagojevich really the most
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house and some speculations as to whether or not or how much the president knew that these individuals were fact making these specific statements. how much would he have been known of the exact wording that came out of these officials? >> well, the administration says it was the president's idea. he very much wanted them to come out but it is unprecedenteunpre. we never seen anything like it. it was clearly aimed sending a message to the people that they are taking this problem seriously. critics point to that, we are less than 100 days before the midterm, why did this briefing happened several months ago or a year ago. >> kristen welker is live with us at the white house. thank you. >> let's bring in jonathan allen and former senior director cyber security at the white house and john mclaughlin, it is great to have all of you. jonathan and allan, let me begin with you. i want to read from your piece
on msnbc.com. you wrote a two-piece event, you shall sha is trying to undermines the democracy. who are people to believe her? the president or the country's top experts and officials in this matter? >> i think in terms of the mechanics of all this, the russians influences the 2016 elections and attempting the do again in 2018, hacking our democracy. you have to go with the national security professionals here. the president's argument that this is all a hoax is a political argument. it is not one based on facts or based or any search he's done on the intelligence. we should believe as though officials said there is a serious threat from russia in this election than the last. the president yesterday again
with the hoax, his crowd and base, you know at this rally and i was there last night, they want to hear that. they want to hear that what he's doing is trying to have diplomacy with russia and trying to make a better world and they want to hear that his election is credible because they all believed in it. he obviously is worried of the legitimacy over the course of time and he said both things that the russians interfered and he believed vladimir putin when he says he did not interfere and having any degree of variance on that opens the door to those who would call it a hoax as he has. >> christopher, i want to get your take on the statements that came from the national security team and whether or not the white house is on one hand doing this for purely theatrical or optical reason when we see what the president is saying out there to his campaign and the
messaging that's coming out we saw earlier in the day. is the white house taking the russia threat seriously? >> i think there are people in the administration who are doing a lot of good work. i welcome the conference yesterday although as people said that conference could have happened over a year ago but better late than never. there seems to be good initiatives. if the president is under cutting that message. you have a conference like that for two purposes, one is to raise awareness so the american public is taking it seriously and two, to send a message to putin that this activity is unacceptable and if he does it again, there will be consequences. that effect is under cut by the president's statements either not saying anything at all or saying statements like he did last night and throughout the period where he under cuts those officials who are out there. if i am putin and i look at that and you know what -- i can bare the cause and the messaging is
mix and i will do it again. >> director mclaughlin, let me pick off on the points that christopher just raised. explain to us anybody who ran an agency, why the president's message is more important than a specific order. what if he's behind closed doors as we heard from officials that the president has directed us to do x, y, and z, why should we be so concerned of what he's saying in public? >> well, first, eamon, we don't know what the president said to get that conference underway. and, i think the main problem thinking back to my own experience that within the executive branch, i know all of these national security officials. i am sure that individually they are doing the best they can and doing what their agencies can do. unless you can have direct public and direction and mobilization from the president, the executive branch does not
move as vigorously and bringing all the power of the federal government to bear. what's lacking is a coordinated mechanism to pull together in a powerful way of what all of these agencies and officials can do. i think we are witnessing something that is in my 40 years in government here a positively, on the one hand these national security officials saying what they said and on the other hand hearing the president calling it all fake news. it leads to that question, do you believe what you are told by white house communication or do you believe what you see or hear with your own eyes. that's a terrible dilemma to put in front of the american people. obviously you believe what you see and here. >> despite the president actually saying that last week. do not believe what you are seeing and reading when he was
attacking the press. chris, what's your level of confidence of any attempt of interference can be blocked this late in the game so to speak? >> yagain, i think some good things going on. chris wray talked about some of those efforts. we heard from the deputy in aspen last week, my confidence were pretty low that they'll be able to block it. we don't have the top level officials of the white house coordinating all these efforts. you will recall that national security adviser bolton got rid of this coordinator position at the white house, one that could bring a lot of inner agencies efforts together and seemed like they are doing a good thing. we' unless it is you know nunified, in a vulnerable place. >> director mclaughlin, is there any significance in this action
other than the north korea link than the russia bank? >> it is a good thing to do and reenforces there is a sense of two separate governments working here. officials who carry out these steps which are all well-advised and the president who seems to be giving a different message entirety and under cutting the effects of it. putin will hear about the sanctions but he's also hearing from the president of what he says. i have been told the by the russians that sometimes these strengthen him. >> i am going to ask you to stick around for us, christopher painter and director mclaughlin, thank you both for joining us. how the trump administration wans to hand off the responsibility of reuniting children separated from here parents at the border. >> and campaigning gop voters just may not be into you. and follow the money, former
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correspondent who's been following this story jacob so soboroff. it is great to have you with us. it is hard to wrap my head around in a little bit. what is the government's argument that it is up to the aclu that should be responsible for reuniting these families? >> this has been a slow motion train wreck of a disaster and it continues to sort of amaze and astonish in every turn. the government separated these children from their parents in a way we have never seen before. as a deterrent, john kelly, is now saying the aclu who wants to do sued them to reunite the 551 kids separated from their parents should be responsible for it, basically because they wanted to happen. it is an impossible thing to understand. the government is the one that has been ordered by a judge to do these unifications and now they're saying because of aclu
and another ngo's on the ground, they should be the one to do it. they should essentially take the lead. >> there are about 572 kids remains in the government's custody. regardless of whose responsibility it is, it literally falls on the government in the first place. >> no, there is not. that's what is coming together right now in court. i was looking over some of the things that both the defendants and plaintiffs are talking about among themselves that they want to be shared between each other. i should remind everybody, 410 of the 572 are parents who are already been deported. they're outside of the united states and they were deported before it was possible for them to be reunited with their children. we are talking about simple stuff. phone number of parents and
birth certificates of children. if a child or parent speaks an indigenous language, what language do both the child and parents speak. there is no centralized database and there was no centralized database and now it was clear al along months after, they still don't have this figured out. the administration is sitting on information that'll allow the parties to find these parents. what kind of information do you think the aclu was referencing there that can facilitate the unifications? >> we know. they're called a-number, that's given to a person. anybody that's apprehended by the border of control. they say these numbers con train a treasure-trove of information that'll make tracking down these people particularly outside the country in order to reunite them far easier. the latest court filing the
government says we don't think it is necessary to give over the a-file because there is a whole other list the aclu wants. it is bickering about information when remember we are talking about 572 kids that are still sitting in u.s. government custody after being systemically taken away from their parents and held by the u.s. government. that's what it is about. 572 kids are still in custody of the u.s. government. >> jacob, i know you have been following this story from the beginning. you have been doing encredibinc. what are you looking for this? >> we have to hear what the judge says. the aclu when i was in court last friday down in san diego, do you really need all this information to unify these kids to their parents. it is going to be critical to see what the judge says as far as proposals by the government. if you clap back at them for a
lack of a better term, hey, why don't you guys take the lead. >> we know you will stay on top of the story, keep up with the excellent report, appreciate it. >> thank you. the alejandra juarez have lived in the united states for 21 years. she thinks the decision to come here back then saved her life as an escape from the violence she faced at home. juarez has two daughters. the older one will stay in florida with her father and juarez's husband, the younger one will move to mexico to be with her mother. juarez has a message for other military families. >> they're breaking my family apart. they don't care that he served our country three times. before you enlist in the
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tyler and he's also a political msnbc analyst. gentlemen, great to be with you. >> the primary this season to lose a bid statewide office without president trump's endorsement. how significant and how important is president trump's endorsement in the primaries? >> well, i would say it is significant. the problem is it is a quagmire i see a lot of republicans running to gain trump's endorsement and the argument is who's going to help trump with his make america great again of his agenda. if you get out of the primaries, the republican national committee is really the republican national cult. it does not have any coherence and therefore having a broader appeal and becomes more difficult. during the general elections these republicans who gained and
won their party nominations because of trump endorseme's en. >> i am going to get to that point in a little bit. your colleague, amber phillips, wrote this today which i thought it is interesting. it is not coincidence of the first election cycle that he became president promised to drain the swamp and declaring the political system as rigged that nearly half a dozen gop lawmakers have lost their primaries for higher office. does the fact that the president campaign so hard on draining the swap has a ripple effect on the gop? >> well, it may have a ripple effect on the republican party. the president has tremendous leverage over republican lawmakers because he may be struggling a bit in the polls. he's mr. popularity compares to
incumben incumbents and republicans in congress. i think the president is having a great deal of success in this in part because he's looking and seeing where are the winners and who's going to be winning these contests and he tends to side with the winner. it clearly has a huge impact in these primaries. you know certainly we have seen that close to here in virginia that it is something of an albatros. >> she's now going to face a moderate democrat, rick
bredesen. how do you try to win against a democrat like bredesen. >> republicans did not lose tennessee, so this should be a no brainer or not a contest. now i believe that it is going to be a close race and i do think bredesen was a popular politician from tennessee is going to be able to make a case that this is referendum on trump. that's all he'll need because if the president is even 40% in tennessee, and against everybody else, he's going to win. i think you go out every single day and make a case that why to send a message and this is not the way the country wants to go in. >> let me play this. he made this pitch for impeaching president trump. take a listen.
>> you should join the movement of 5.5 million americans who had enough. not just with trump and trumpism, but also by the attempt of washington insiders to bury this uncomfortable truth that he needs to be removed from office. >> so on one hand you got him making this pitch for impeachment and there is no doubt of trumpism and anti-trump has energetic the wave. you alienate folks but also
energize the red base. democrats are going to have to win in districts that trump won. these guys do not want to get on board with the impeachment plan. everybody knows if you really want to impeach the president, the thing you need to do is elect a democratic congress. the problem with tom putting forward of this litmus test has this reverse effect and whines up putting democrats who would be winning in december can be losing. >> thank you both for joining us. >> thank you, eamon. if the house or the senate both flip in washington are going to change drastically, you bet the headlines of political play book this morning really put it accurately saying what the white house should be worried about. we are going to talk a little bit about that. a anna palmer, it is great to have you with us. walk us through this prediction a little bit. why are things going to change very quickly if in fact the house or the senate potentially pl flipped?
>> i think what you would have is democrats are going to be in power to subpoenaed the white house agency. democrats don't have really power unless they control the chamber. one thing to point out is stunning, if you look at the over sigte committee and the staff would double if they took the majority. people are looking at paper trails and yes, there is impeachment and this is everything from tax and the president's taxes to what which agency is doing and whether the man te manifest on air force one. >> i want to ask you about that. the house over site committee back in 2010 and 2011, he investigated of bank bailouts to corruption. so and that is just one very simple basic example. how eager are democrats to
investigate the president and what kind of investigations are we going to see from like the most significant to the most frivolo frivolous? >> i think there is absolute frustration of how this white house has worked and how they have done everything on over turning the epa rules. i think you are really going to see things that are not as sexy but could have big implications of in terms of what's happening with obamacare. how are those decisions being made and how are industries and different companies using this administration to get their agenda passed. those types of things can add a lot of stickiness with the lel t electorates. >> we know that nancy pelosi hi
against president trump. are we likely to see an escalation of that rhetoric if in fact democrats win control of either chambers of congress. >> certainly nancy pelosi and a lot of senior democrats have been saying to candidates out on the trail or some of their colleagues, let's pump the brakes, we need to win first. it is impossible particularly in the house to slow down the calls for impeachment if they do take control of the chamber. makes everything comes this november that much more, anna palmer, thank you very much in d.c. >> thank you. >> paul manafort was racking up a tab on landscaping. how he managed to stay afloat and why this fits into the case being made against him.
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lifestyle. our julie ainsley is joining us live. great to have you with us. bring us up to speed. >> reporter: today is not as sexy and flashy as the ostrich and python jackets as we see. we are going through the meat and potatoes of the case here. they have been kmexamining and w they are crossed examining. what we are hearing is that phillips never told -- he was also asked to lie. we got to see e-mails that paul manafort sent to him saying, presumably to get a loan, you
will be contacted by these people. tell them that the property that my wife and i have in new york is not business related. he said flat out, i am not going to tell them that. it is clear at this point that paul manafort's journey when things have fallen out economically for him around 2015 and 2016, he was getting to a desperate point and that's the case that the prosecution is making. he's a desperate person who would have done a lot in order to keep living that lavish lifestyle. >> let me pick up on that point. that's an important point in this trial. we learned from testimonies from his bookkeeper that manafort as you said is in dire of financial by the time the 2016 campaign of trump came around. what's the significance of this in. >> we are not going to hear the words of donald trump or russia come up in this case but there
is a narrative that's being laid out here of a man the president did hire to be his campaign manager and he was in some someone that made the decision to be a campaign manager totally for free. when he was making decisions like he was in 2016 to do a pro-russia platform, why was he feeling compelled in that way if he was not getting paid anything from trump. that's not something we may not get an answer to. we'll see how mueller may use those pieces going forward. it will explain why mueller puts so much pressure on manafort. >> it is a lot of speculations of rick gates and what role he's expected to play in this trial. he pleaded guilty. what can we expect to see from him when he takes the witness stand. >> reporter: i am glad you point
that out. at first, it seems like a question whether or not rick gates would testify. we heard from the prosecution that they'll bring him forward. we should expect him in the middle of the chain s of witnesses. he's been called into question, we learned that he also signed off on those fraudulent forms or at least gave information to fraudulent numbers. they kind of put him in the middle so he's not the one filling up the case when the jurors go to make deliberations. rick gates work hand in hand with manafort through all this. he knows about the bank accounts and his work in ukraine. he went further and worked on transition. there is a lot we'll hear from rick gates and that's the most interesting day of this trial. >> do you know what day he can take the stand, julie?
>> reporter: we don't. almost everyday we walk in we are not sure of who'll they'll call. there is a long list of potential witnesses of prosecution. we know that the prosecutions think they can rest sometimes next week which makes us think we should be on the look out. >> julia ainsley, appreciate it. the white house is ready to roll out the middle east plan with the president's son-in-law leading the charge. can they get the results they are actually looking for? a week from sunday marks the one year of anniversary of deadly clash between protester and white nationalists. msnbc will share the story of the former white supremacist who has dedicated his life. it will be on sunday august
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ever to resulting the conflict of the emerging plan. it has not described with a small amount of detail. joining me now is our counsel l jonathan allen. jonathan, i will begin with you. this is the first time in months that the plan is going anywhere. how seriously do you sense this administration is taking this task? >> it's a big issue for the president. i go to rallies across the country. his political rallies across the country. one of the most consistent and loudest applause lines is when he talks about moving the u.s. embassy in israel to jerusalem. it's something that he promised folks he would do, and he did it. so that's something -- and he sees that as part of the larger peace plan. i think what you are -- what the problem is here is that you've
got some negotiators in this who have not been dealing with these issues very long. you have some negotiators seen in the middle east as extremely pro-israel and in some cases potentially anti-muslim. the president himself, obviously, had the travel ban, the first couple versus struck down by the court because they were seeing as being religious. so there is a lot to be done here. it was easier to part the red sea than to get peace in the middle east. >> gail, the ap is writing that palestinian leaders in part for the reason that jonathan just mentioned there, they are going to be hostile towards any proposal from the trump administration given his decision to move the embassy to jerusalem from tel aviv. is there anything that is going to allow this administration to work through a serious peace plan if the palestinians have already said anything that arrives with jerusalem as the capital, israel is dead in the water? >> we have all talked about how the middle east peace plan is the graveyard of optimism.
it also is a home of pragmatism, right? so the trump administration seems to be thinking maybe we can use economic development and dollars to really shake up a stagnant status quo. there are a lot of folks on all sides who would say, look, you have absolutely no chance. in some aways this plan benefit from the real reality of low expectations. the question is can you break through what has been a really frozen status quo, and can you use dollars and development to do so. >> and as someone who has covered the middle east, i know so much of the devil is in the details of these issues. sometimes it comes to bloc by bloc maps. i feel like the president sometimes is approaching this from a general perspective in being pragmatic with the financial incentives to the palestinians. is there any sense of realism that the palestinians can be offered a big chunk of change to win over their concessions? >> i think it's really a start.
can you start with economics and developments? you know this, ayman. so many people, you talk to them and what they want is a chance to send their kids to school, the chance to know their children will come home and to have a better future. if you can break through a frozen political process and really zero sum game until now and say, listen, there is a shot. we will use economic mechanisms to help with day-to-day life, then perhaps you have a shot. i think washington right now really does think there is no chance, and i do think this plan benefits, actually, from those very low expecttations. there is a possibility for people on the ground that pragmatism may carry the day in terms of economics over politics. >> jonathan, the israel issue has always been a bipartisan issue on capitol hill. has it become more politicized with this president, with the decisions he has made about jerusalem, and can that come back and bite the president or haunt the president, the gop in
the way the support for this particular israeli government has become so one-sided? >> ayman, it's not just the president. this is also something that has been sort of a fraud issue on the democratic side. if anything, i would say republicans are unified in being pro-israel. you have this sort of globalist wing of the republican party establishment wing that has been there. you have the evangelical krishs that feel that way. millions of voters are not jewish but are pro-israel. the republican party has been very unified behind president trump on this. on the democratic side you have seen an erosion of support for hawkish pro-israel policies over time and that ranges from people who are more in favor of the palestinians than they are of the israelis to believe who believe israel's beth path is a more dovish path and consider themselves pro-israel but less hawkish. the democratic party very frail on this right now.
>> gail, you are in touch with diplomats and others overseas. what should we expect the reaction to be both in the middle east and among our european allies who at some points have taken very different positions on issues like the embassy move to jerusalem? >> well, i think there are two things to watch. i think four letters are overshadowing this discussion, which is iran. so as much as this is about a middle east peace process, if you talk about what the gulf states plus egypt plus israel have been relied upon recently, what they have come together on is the concern about growing iranian influence in the region. in many ways that has overshadowed what's going on with the palestinian people and the question of the palestinian people's future. and so the question i have is how will the gulf states react? do they really see, do we see a desire for them to open their wallets? somebody will have to pay for this economic development and strzok. then if you have the gulf states on board and if you something that the palestinian people can
get behind, i do believe europe will follow on this. but really the question i think is how does this affect the iran discussion and how do the gulf states come out. >> so to that point, jonathan, politically speaking does it make sense for a president who has been somewhat challenged on the foreign policy side, doesn't have a lot of successes -- he will argue he has successes with north korea and russia. now you have the jcpoa being torn up. does it make sense for the president to release this plan or announce this plan before the midterms or wait post-midterms? >> i think it makes sense before the midterms, particularly if it's one that as expected is, you know, sort of weighted towards israel because it motivates his base. >> all right. ga gail, jonathan, thank you very much. we'll be right back. i tried the patch. they didn't work for me. i didn't think anything was going to work for me until i tried chantix. chantix, along with support,
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doing so probably amounted to criminal activity. she admitted she had a sense that manafort lied to her about where money be transferred into his political consulting business was coming from. this was the first time a witness in the trial this week admitted to potential wrongdoing. the mueller team not trying to prove that manafort improperly listed millions of dollars of income as loans in order to avoid paying income tax.and it was kept hidden from the irs and illegal overseas account. meanwhile the president creating some russian investigation news of his own this week. when he escalated his attacks on what he calls the mueller witchhunt. i was a he took to twitter and called for attorney general jeff sessions to stop the investigation right now. while this prompted immediate outcry from journalists and lawmakers on capitol hill, he accused the president of obstructing justice. he responded by doubling down. >> now we are being hindered by the russian hoax. it is a hoax.
okay? i will tell you what, russia is very unhappy that trump won. >> the same evening he also defended his highly criticized recent trip to nato. claiming his motives for pushing members to contribute more of their gdp is actually all about russia. here is the president recounting a conversation with nato secretary-general. >> he said, lester alone, because of what i did the previous year, we took in $44 billion. you have to understand this is money to guard against russia. reporter: while the present host to meet with vladimir putin again the national security team has put that meeting on ice until after the investigation concludes. blake: gillian turner in washington, thank you. arthel: president trump sending a letter to the north korean leader, kim jong-un today. showing the ongoing communications between the two leaders. since the singapore summit. meanwhile, secretary of state,
mike pompeo, attending a conference in singapore as well. saying he believes the rogue regime will live up to its commitment to get rid of the nuclear program. this despite a new un report said that no north korea 's weapons program continues to request the process of achieving denuclearization on the north korean peninsula is one that i think we have known will take some time. but i must say through my meetings here, the world is united in seeing this achieved. arthel: kitty logan has more now. reporter: hi arthel. there were tough words from north korea today. pyongyang is angry that the u.s. is pushing for sanctions to stay in place until denuclearization is complete. the details of this denuclearization deal -- mike pompeo wants international community to keep up economic pressure on north korea to make sure what is agreed on an principal at singapore summit in june actually happens. he said he is confident of a positive outcome.
>> .committed to doing it, chairman kim is committed to doing it. i'm optimistic we will get this dumb in a timeline and the world will celebrate what the un security council has demanded. reporter: they say there continue to develop weapons. despite everything. and until that happens assumptions will not be lifted. they say they will honor the do notarization agreement but after this handshake he then criticized the u.s. for not relieving sanctions sooner. the u.s. delegation also handed over a letter from president trump for north korean leader, kim jong-un. the contents of the litter were not revealed but the dialogue with north korea is expected to continue. arthel: kitty logan, thank you. blake: heading in the right direction in virginia. flooding fears ease. people are not allowed to return to their homes after officials say the situation with the dam has stabilized.
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arthel: president trump expected to land in columbus ohio, this hour, rallying for tuesday's special elections. the president is also hitting the campaign trail hard for republican midterm candidates as there is a possible blue way peer was a president payoff come november? here to discuss as we have access reporter, shannon, good to see you. >> thanks for having me. arthel: is the president doing a full port crest of the campaign shall, does it mean the gop is expecting a battle or they just want to win or leave no narrow margins? >> is a last-minute effort from the president and the republicans. the primary is on tuesday. it is saturday and it also is important to note that this is a district that is a reliably red district. trump is coming and if couple days beforehand in a place where it shouldn't necessarily go to democrat in theory but the fact that it is neck and neck shows republicans will have to step up.
arthel: neck and neck, challenges in ohio. look at some of the other races, talk about the challenges there and the biggest uphill battle for the president in terms of his being on the campaign trail. >> in terms of where he's going, he might see as we get closer to election day he said he will go to six or seven places every week to help campaign and help republicans. he might be going to places where it is more neck and neck. previously we've seen them go to states where he has won with a large margin. with heidi heitkamp and also montana where he won by double digits. going to ohio is a little bit riskier just because he only won by 11 percent. and because approval rating is dipping right now. reporter: of 11 percent undivided in ohio as well. you just touched on something pre-does president trump, does
the endorsement come with potential blowback? >> it does. and we know that if you do not get his endorsement like diane black this week in tennessee, who lost her race there, you might not be benefiting from his rhetoric. from his ability to rally the base. but we also know that with his endorsement, we've had several candidates this year win as a result. on the other hand like you mentioned, there are some potential downsides. he can sometimes wire rally and go off track from focusing on the candidate itself. francis when he went for luther strachey ended up saying and indicating to voters will be okay to vote for roy moore. which ended up happening. arthel: i want to show on the screen now, a tweet from the president last week. on july 24 for the president saying he is quote - very concerned that russia will be fighting very hard to have an impact on the upcoming election. and that russia quote - will be pushing very hard for the democrats because no president has been tougher on russia than me. shannon, does it appear that
president trump is perhaps saying that this hacking or interference is an excuse if the gop does not wipe out the blue wave? >> i cannot necessarily speak to what trump is planning there in terms of what his messaging strategy is. but we do know that based on what the campaign revealed on facebook, it has not necessarily been attributed to russia but there are links to how the internet research agency, which was in the mueller indictment earlier this year, there are links to how they previously were trying to impact elections. on facebook. but in terms of whether that hacking is continuing or not, we are not seeing the riposte campaign that they had a 2016 that they are telling us right now. we'll have to see how much that continues to happen this year. arthel: we will all stop to see how the races turn up here but let's talk about this for a second.if the gop loses control over the house. will that have any impact on
the presidency for mr. trump or his policies? and what about judge kavanaugh confirmation? >> it actually could. if republicans lose the house and it is very possible that they do it, democrats only have to take 23 seats. they are already edging closer. we know have already been getting more and more local legislative seats.and if there are more democrats on the hill, we know that impeachment proceedings can begin if there is that rallying support there. arthel: and wrapping back up to the ohio. what does president trump need to do today to push troy balderson over the top in ohio? >> we have seen his tweet today, kind of focusing on the democratic challenger, danny o'connor. linking him to nancy pelosi. it is possible we will see them do that. it may have been a precursor to
what he will say. a lot of what republicans have been focusing on across-the-board has been immigration and those type of cultural issues. if they really want to make waves, the focus democrats have been having has been on healthcare recently. we know that they have been a little bit more liberal in their messaging ever since republicans failed to repeal and replace obamacare. if they are able to develop some messaging on that it might be impactful. arthel: over to the judge singh have to reinstate it. so we'll see how that plays out as well. shannon vavara, reporter for axios, thank you very much. >> thank you. blake: intelligent official sounding the alarm about meddling in our elections. how can we secure the voters as the top official say we can? we will discuss next. plus a live look in ohio tonight. 5:20 pm on saturday. the president will rally for a house candidate in a special election. as you probably know by now, we will take you there live. when it begins. >> i am certain that
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president trump beat hillary clinton by eight points. arthel: kristin fisher live in ohio. we've 11 percent on decided there as well. what can you expect to hear from the president tonight? reporter: this is the president's third rally this week. he is going to be throwing his weight tonight behind a candidate in the fight for control of the house this november. he wants republican ohio state senator, troy balderson to win. and he gave a preview of the case you will be making tonight a series of tweets from earlier this morning. he said that troy balderson is quote - strong on the board and loves all military vets. and the second member. his opponent is a puppet of nancy pelosi. high taxes. his opponent is democrat, danny o'connor. he has been trying to counter that very point. he says he will not support nancy pelosi for speaker if they have the majority of the midterms. normally this race would not be getting all that much attention
but it is because this is the last special election before the midterms. they are watching this very closely as a barometer of sorts to see how things will go in november. but it is also getting -- this was not supposed to be a close race. about a month ago, they had them 10 points apart. now it is down to just one point. and it is a republican district. the present won by 11 points per the vice president and speak of house have all come here and campaigned on his behalf. now the president of the united states is going to be here speaking on his behalf. we'll see if that is enough to sway voters come tuesday. arthel: kristin, apart from the special election the president is not to go off on other topics pay what you think will
come up tonight? >> i think you will tout the new economic numbers heavily. yesterday we learned the u.s. added 157,000 jobs in july. and now i expect him to talk about that pretty heavily. he will also be talking about all of the tariffs that he just imposed. in fact, he tweeted about it four times on his way over to ohio from his golf club in new jersey. here is just a small sampling of one of them.he says quote - paris make our country much richer than it is today. only fools would disagree. we are using that to negotiate fair trade deals. remember, these have been heard in the u.s. farmers so much that the trump administration gave them about $13 billion in aid. about one week ago. but at the rally on thursday, the president headlined in pennsylvania, he said u.s. farmers can take it. we'll see if he brings it up tonight and tries to rally support for his tariffs and try to rally support around u.s. farmers. one thing to watch for,
remember the big press conference on thursday where all of the top u.s., the administration top intelligence and security officials stood side-by-side and said -- the president had a chance to talk about that on thursday. he did not. let's see if he does tonight. arthel: will be watching and we look forward to your report through the evening. >> thank you. >> the russians are looking for every opportunity regardless of party, regardless of whether or not it applies to the election to continue their pervasive efforts to undermine our fundamental values. blake: that was the director of national intelligence, dan coats on thursday. warning about russian election modeling. saying the president has direct his national security team to make sure our election process and securing it is a top priority. it comes as the administration is facing questions over
whether it is doing enough to counteract moscow 's metal p joining now morgan wright, a cybersecurity and terrorism analyst. thank you for joining us. >> you bet. blake: i was in the room it was quite the scene. when the intelligence chiefs were lining up there, there was no mention of china. there was no mention of north korea. there is no mention of iran. it was russia, russia, russia. do you take from it that russia is the biggest cyber threat out there? >> i just put that out and i said we will be talking russia, russia, russia. exactly. russia has been doing this for hundred years. they are masters at this. they are masters at low intensity conflict in
cyberspace. there he to influence elections. there is a difference between influence and interference. but they are here to influence and also into the energy grid. russia is looking for every advantage they can. a lot of people don't realize russia is less than half the size of the united states in terms of population. it is very important to russia that they have some kind of strategic advantage against the united states. blake: when you say low intensity conflict, what do you mean? >> rather than launching an all-out nuclear attack in cyberspace, they are doing reconnaissance activities. breaking into the control room. as you so with the previous election and what came out, they are manipulating and influencing opinion and attempted to drive a wedge. they are just stopping short of launching comments is simply amazing other countries where we are proxies. they are doing this, they're not getting it to the level with every huge response. just getting a proportional response but there are some good things happening. we are getting better at detecting the activity. blake: after the intelligence chiefs were there in the breakaway white house official told me it was the president himself who instructed him to go out there and talk about
this. that brings up the question, do you think they were there to talk to the american people? do you think they were there to send a message to russia? or both? >> i think both. one of the things you'll see coming out, dhs has launched initiatives. if you are out there and you have not set up for the information sharing analysis, or the multistate, these are resources from dhs. over 800 counties and all 50 states have joined. it will give them better tools must cyber standpoint. but what you can do in the influence side, facebook just did a great job. they got beat up pretty bad on stock and other things but they did a good job. -- blake: you mentioned facebook. i asked christopher wray in the briefing room about this incident. 32 facebook pages that were believed to be trying to sow discord with the political process. i asked the fbi director, was it russia behind it? he did not answer but i also
asked about the responsibility the social media companies have in trying to keep our election process safe. now versus how they acted in 2016. this was the fbi director to me. watch. >> we are sharing with them actual intelligence in a way that wasn't happening before. we understand better what they need, they are sharing information back with us based on what they find. there are things they can do on their platforms voluntarily. terms of use and things like that that the government does not have a role in. in turn we learn things from them and we can use that to have our investigations be more effective. i think progress is being made. we have to keep getting better, keep staying on the balls of your feet. i think that's what we are seeing. blake: the fbi director says they are sharing with social media companies and government actual intelligence information. what exactly does that mean? >> is called the domestic security advisory council. there used to be an old organization called awareness of national security issues and response.
it morphed into this. they missed the boat in 2016. they could've done this. it was up to a report in the uk to discover the international research agency and we still missed the boat. it was not a fair fight in 2016. facebook was outmatched by the russians. but now they start to work together and share information on an intelligence back and forth, what happens is facebook, google, twitter, all of these other folks are strangely silent. they need to get the game. as long as they share the information that we can share sources and the results of our sources and methods. and make it a better, more fine tuned machine.we can point them in a direction and have them even get better information so the intelligence community, fbi can make a better analysis. but it won't work unless there's trust and mutual cooperation. that was in short supply in 2016.blake: christopher wray warned that this is, it goes well beyond, it is not just an election cycle threat. it is something we will talk
about most certainly down the line. thank you for joining us tonight. >> you bet. arthel: there is the deadly wildfires in california. we want to update you on more evacuation orders issued as they continue to burn across the state. the heat and dry weather making it really difficult for fire crews to put out the flames. jeff paul has more now from los angeles. i understand that governor brown is calling on the president for help. tell us about that. reporter: touring some of the hardest hit areas in northern california, governor jerry brown today called upon the president for help. the governor is officially requesting a major disaster declaration. saying the relentless fires require a herculean effort. the government agency that tracks major fires reports at the moment firefighters are battling at least 89 wildfires across 10 states. of the 28,000 firefighters responded to all of the fires, half right now in california. when asked about the likelihood of president trump approving
the relief requests, governor brown says he is hopeful. he also says right now is not the time to point fingers at what went wrong in the states response. say the focus should be on how to act wisely and cooperate better. >> this is part of a trend, a new normal. we have to deal with it. you're dealing with the humanly, financially and governmentally. these are horrible situations that bring people together regardless of the ideologies and partisan considerations. reporter: governor brown also thanked the firefighters for a terrific job in the face of a horrific fire. no word from the white house on any sort of decision on approving the declaration. arthel: i want to get more ground conditions out there. tell us about that. how is it for the firefighters? reporter: across the state there are now 14,000 firefighters battling 17 major wildfires. there was so much smoke ãand northern california there are
now warnings to stay out of outdoor activities with air quality being so poor. so far the book fires have burned half a million acres forcing nearly 40,000 people to evacuate. the most devastating fire, the carr fire has killed six people destroyed more than 1000 homes and is now considered one of the worst wildfires in state history. we are also hearing there was so much smoke from the ferguson fire, the air quality in parts of yosemite national park is considered to be worse in beijing china. smoke has forced a closure of the park for more than a week. sections of yosemite could open if conditions improve. arthel: so such as seals images there. thank you very much, jeff paul. blake: in the meantime the man suspected of killing a houston cardiologist is dead. they say he shot himself when he was cornered by police in houston neighborhood. bryan llenas is live from the new york city newsroom with details.
this is awful all around. how do they track this shooter down? reporter: it was thanks to surveillance video according to court documents. what we understand, this video shot from home caught the 62 old fleeing the murder scene on his bicycle. but even more pivotal was the video a metro bus. that caught the entire murder as it happened. lisa show this surveillance video to the shooters former colleague identified him as a 62-year-old joseph pappas. his neighbors also saw this and identified him as the shooter. for two weeks investigators look for the man responsible for shooting doctor hausknecht. a prominent cardiologist in daylight as he rode to work at houston methodist hospital. they say that he followed him for 25 miles on bike before he shot him three times and rode away. police on tuesday raided his home. they found 22 caliber
ammunition that match the bullets used to kill a dr.. on wednesday they now successfully previous a police officer confronted him in a west houston neighborhood. a second officer showed up and joseph pappas took a revolver and shot himself in the head. he was wearing a bulletproof vest. police believe he was ready for a shootout. blake: seems like it. do we know why he killed the cardiologist? reporter: doctor hausknecht practice for more than 40 years. at one point he treated george h. w. bush. they believe joseph pappas murdered him because he blamed him for his mothers death. >> the only connection we have found and the only exponential that we can find to date, and we put a lot of work into this. is the fact that doctor hausknecht operated on joseph pappas 's mother 20 years ago and she died on the operating table. reporter: a 20 year old grudge.
they found a will and testament in his home. doctor hausknecht was 65 years old. blake: bryan llenas, live in the new york newsroom, thank you. arthel: the debate over 3d printing guns intensify. flaring up after the trumpet menstruation gives a green light to release plans online. we will discuss with our legal panel up next. to be their best, kids need good nutrition. and practice... lots of practice. get them started right with carnation breakfast essentials. it has protein plus vitamins and minerals to help kids be their best. carnation breakfast essentials.
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washington state issued a temporary restraining order to block blueprints for 3d printed guns from being distributed online. >> the government does have the power to tell people they cannot post this on the inside itsy violation of free speech. also state law is trumped by federal law. arthel: let's bring in our legal panel. -- and a defense attorney and former prosecutor. good to have both you be here. this is going to be a big debate. already it is. richard, undetectable, 3d printed guns, instructions online. is this inevitable legal quagmire or can of worms? >> absolutely. the issue is not a second amendment issue. it is an issue of a first amendment. you can publish stuff on my feet if you google right now you can find how to dispose a body, make a bomb.
information is protected by the first amendment. what they are talking about is the actual undetectable weapon. it is totally different. there is a federal act, undetectable fire firearms act in place. if the firearm cannot be detected by a metal detector it is illegal. so there are already laws on the book to protect against this. arthel: if you've a private company producing a product that is potentially deadly impact on national security, what is their defense? >> here's the thing, we don't have a company producing a product. we have a company wants to produce words that would allow other people to produce this product.but we are on the same side here. the opponents of this lawsuit are recently taking a first amendment argument and try to turn it into a second amendment fight. it is not that. we can go online right now and we can discover how to build a bomb or hide a body odor if you want to do but we don't do those things because we are
law-abiding citizens. this is not a gun issue.this is a first amendment issue. arthel: but it would change argument if you have a legitimate company, distribution, their posting were advertising these instructions. it is different than going to somewhere hidden on the internet to find some sort of a bomb making instructions or something. >> to your point, these blueprints have already been distributed. arthel: was a big deal then? >> personally i think they're trying to assert a first amendment right. because i know the opponents will try to turn this into a second amendment fight. which it's not. i think it is for their own gain. which they are also allowed to do. arthel: what about the moral issue? opponents of this are saying you have untraceable guns that can go through metal detectors. what about that? what about the responsibility of that?
>> if it is legal it has nothing to do with as we mentioned earlier, you can find out how to dispose of a body, it is illegal. you can find ahow to make a bomb , it is illegal. the information is still out there. and that is all we are talking about. reading information. not talking about actually creating. it is not creating this at all. arthel: you say this is a good idea or not? >> i think it is illegal. >> less split hairs per the actual blueprint will not you build an undetectable gun because it requires components that are detectable. it is largely undetectable but does require metal components arthel: let me ask you this , do you have to register these guns? you have to have a background check? >> that is the issue. because if someone can make one of these guns, it is not registrable. it is easy to hide. the issue is, if you make one of the guns, you are already breaking the law because under the 1988 act you already breaking the law.
do we need another law? i mean how many laws you have to break? >> however, if it is detectable there are people, it allows people to make their own weapons. i know people that make their -- it is a possibility people can make their own weapons but however, you still have to qualify being an individual that can purchase a firearm. there are some people who cannot purchase firearms. if you're going to make your own weapon you have to abide by that. arthel: we have a hard break but do you think this will go high up? >> temporary is the operative word, no. >> no. i agree. arthel: you agree. thank you very much. >> thank you. blake: the search for a missing iowa college student now stretches into his third week as investigators comb through potential evidence related to
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for. police sorting through hundreds of tips searching for molly tibbett who vanished two weeks ago. we are in brooklyn, iowa with the latest. matt? reporter: tonight crimestoppers tells us that the reward for molly tibbets has no and raised $260,000. substantial increase from a few days ago when they reward was hovering around $2000 per the family has partnered with crimestoppers to raise this morning because they believe right now molly tibbets is alive and being held captive somewhere. they say they're raising the money to basically pay someone off to release her. they have not released any new information. since she went missing on july 18.other than to say she was last seen jogging in a small town of brooklyn, iowa. wearing a pink top and black running shorts. police say releasing any information could compromise their investigation or it could end up in the wrong hands. they are begging the public for patients in this investigation.
molly's mother and father telling fox news that no tip is too small. they're asking for anyone to call the 1-800 tip line and the small town of brooklyn iowa is close to interstate 80 and route six. police and the family acknowledge that by this time, molly could be anywhere. arthel: i hope they can find her and find her well. thank you very much, matt. thank you for the update. blake: meanwhile is a live look at ohio as we await the presidents arrival for his campaign style rally tonight. looks like they have the program underway but the president should come up in the next hour. we will take you there live on this saturday night. stay with us. ♪ motorcycle revving ♪motorcycle revving ♪ motorcycle revving ♪ no matter who rides point, ♪ there are over 10,000 allstate agents riding sweep. ♪♪
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caught line with his relationship with nancy pelosi who is weak on crime, borders in your second amendment. he wants to raise your taxes by a lot. >> blake: kristin is on the ground in ohio. it is now behind us. where is the president? out of all of the races, why is this the one that president trump wanted to take on? >> and any special election it is about turnout, especially a special election in the middle of the summer. president trump is coming here to try to energize the debate, throw his star power into the race and hopefully make a difference. the fact that he is here shows how important the republicans and democrats perceive the race to be. this is the last special election before the midterm. both parties will be watching it as an indication of how things will go in november. right now, the races very close. on one side you have the
republican state senator, troy. this is widely looked at his race to lose. president trump won this by double digits. but he has had trouble raising this election cycle and a tough time energizing the base. he has raised just over $100,000 for the latest report. his opponent has raised nearly six times that amount. if elected, o'connell would be the youngest member of congress. he has been running at saying he does not support pelosi. but, president trump sees it differently. he said in a tweet that they are strong on crime, the border and loves our military and that's. his opponent is a puppet of nancy pelosi.
obviously they disagree on that. just a little bit of a seen satyr, this is a capacity crowd. the auditorium in this high school it is at capacity. there are two overflows as well. >> blake: that's loud. i have been in that position where i cannot hear. people are screaming behind you. but you are hanging in there. thank you. the republicans have helped this since 1980. this could flip according to the polls. >> it could flip. what is interesting is the biggest one is the monmouth university poll. about a month ago the two candidates were ten points apart. now, according to the poll last week, they are just one point apart. the races razor thin. that is why this is going to come down to turnout.
keep in mind, it is in the middle of the summer people are not paying attention to politics. it's about who can energize and convince the voters that this is important to stop what they're doing and get to the polls to vote. >> blake: i would tell you to tell them to may be calm down but that is not going to happen. thank you. >> arthel: a federal judge dealt another blow to the trump administration's effort to put an end to dock up. ruling the government must fully restore the undocumented immigrants were brought to the country as children from deportation. allison is live. >> the judge did not entirely close the door but he said the administration is making bad legal arguments. here's how one analyst is
explaining it. >> on one hand you can report somewhat fairly that this judge the area of daca. they say they are not holding that dhs cannot terminate the program. you do not give us a sufficient reason. >> the administration claimed president obama did not have a constitutional authority to start the daca program. that is not enough that claiming another policy to do a hodgepodge policy assertion will not do. if the department of homeland security wants to rescind the program it must have a rational explanation for the decision. they said dhs provided a memo explaining the decision but it failed to elaborate meaningfully on the primary rationale for the decision.
the judge that it was unlawful and unconstitutional. he said that while the memo offers several additional policy grounds, most of the repackage legal arguments previously made in their independent from daca's evaluation. this is a republican appointed judge. he looked at it in april and said it was unlawful. he gave the government 90 days to provide more legal justification. friday's ruling upholds the one from april. >> arthel: will the trump administration appeal? >> they have 20 days to appeal the ruling. in the past they said they would defend against it. this is the third judge to rule against the administration when it comes to ending doc daca. they tried to get the supreme court involved, they still have the position that they think what they are doing with daca is
right. so far, the three judges disagree. >> arthel: thank you. >> we believe the investigation should be brought to a close. they should render the reports. we have every reason to believe they do not have evidence. >> blake: the president's personal attorney say that president trump and the legal team will decide whether to grant robert mueller an interview with the president. that would be potentially within a week or ten days as the president continues his criticism of the russian investigation. he said mueller has been examining the president's tweets as an obstruction inquiry. let's bring in the associate editor of the weekly standard. when you listen to the president's attorney, they clearly are very strong a know
of the president sitting down with mueller. >> i think the president is more than open. he is raring to talk to mueller. that is obvious because he looks to overrule what his lawyers are telling him. defense lawyers almost always counsel the clients not to testify in court or give more information to authorities unless it is absolutely necessary. look at trumps tweets in public statements. it's good that he views these as bogus and wants to fight them. whether that is the best legal strategy is open. but that is something he personally wants to do. >> blake: one issue is the rush occlusion case and if there's an obstruction of justice, and whether the president would answer questions with robert mueller verbally versus writing them down, written questions. that would be on the issue of obstruction of justice. is at the crossroads?
>> it seems they are haggling over what ground the president would be questioned on. he is willing to be questioned on rush occlusion which he denies. obstruction, his lawyers don't want him to answer questions on. that's what they're fighting about. there's also an issue about whether there would be verbal or written responses. the obstruction claim is tenuous and not really related to the initial matter that mueller was investigating. you can see why there is more objection to the president to answer questions. >> blake: is there a gray area where both sides could come together and compromise? or are the standards so high and ramifications a high they may not be able to come to an arrangement of written versus face-to-face? >> i think they will come to a compromise. the president wants to do this. given that is the underlying fact they will make a way to
make the session happen. whether written or spoken, i am not sure. he signaled he wants to do this for his own defense. >> blake: there was a big tweet earlier this week, the president wrote the following which many critics said was obstruction of justice. he wrote quote, this is a terrible situation and attorney general jeff sessions should stop this rigged witchhunt right now before it continues to stay in our country further. this was how the white house responded. >> the president is not obstructing, he's fighting back. he is stating his opinion and stating it clearly. he's expressing the frustration that he has with the level of corruption we have seen from people like jim comey, peter struck, andrew mckay. there's a reason why he's angry and most of america is angry. there's no reason he cannot
voice that opinion. >> blake: some say this gives a bob mueller more ammunition. others would say he was venting his opinion, what is it? >> i think there's a difference between should and must. if the president is speaking from authority saying it must be stopped you have a stronger claim. should comes into the realm of opinion. another factory members the president has tweeted his unhappiness with his investigation. that has not done anything. it has just made the president look powerless and hardly obstructing justice. >> blake: ethan, a long way to go here. thank you. >> arthel: we are moments away from president trumps speech at a rally in ohio. he is hitting the campaign trail frofor a gop candidate. we will take you there live once the event starts to help get us moving. and help you feel more strength & energy
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eastern time, the president greeting fans at the airport as he will head to the high school there. the high school where he will speak before a crowd of about 2700 people. there's a tight race there. the republican candidate has 44% support at the moment. the democratic candidate has 33% support. we will bring that to you live when the president arrives. >> we expect the russians in all countries to abide by this he un security council. any violation that detracts from the world's goal of denuclearize
he north korea would be something that america would take very seriously. >> arthel: mike pompeo has a stern warning for russia following a report that moscow is violating un sanctions by issuing new work permits for north korean laborers. this, as president trump and north korean leader, kim jong-un exchange letters over some questions about pyongyang and denuclearization. joining me as a national security analyst. in the president of independent research. thank you for being here. we don't expect the president to take the stage for another 15 minutes. if he does i have to jump out of the interview. you have secretary pompeo issuing a stern warning to stop hiring day laborers. meanwhile, the president not as tough on russia publicly and exchanging letters of diplomacy with kim jong-un.
the question is, is president trump undermining pompeo's efforts? >> i think the processes on track. first on the effor issue of norh koreans working abroad, that's been an important source of currency. we expect russia to clamp down on it as they have joined the u.s. with sanctions on north korea. the russians always creating a problem. to me this is why the direct engagement between trump and kim jong-un is important. that is our best chance of denuclearization. >> that seems to be a vote of confidence. should the americans feel confident that the national security front line is working with the result to stop the nuclear aggression? should we be confident about
that? >> i think we should be confident torres pompeo likes to say optimistic. it's good that trump and kim jong-un are exchanging letters. everything comes down to that personal relationship. will trump be able to cultivate kim's will to denuclearize? that is an open question. it's good for pompeo to be tough on moscow. also with the meeting in asia, many countries coming together. pompeo is hearing from other allies that they like the stance on denuclearization. we should be confident that things are technically on track. i am impatient. i want to see spent nuclear rods coming out of north korea. i want to see nuclear test in a thousand pieces. >> arthel: at the moment they are not doing that. they are still working on
building the program. what are we to make of that? the president said it's a good idea to exchange personal diplomacy and have secretary of state putting pressure on cases like russia and iran. you have russia providing financial support and then china's reluctance to cripple the north korean economy. help us understand how this is on track? >> we are at a delicate moment. clearly there is some sticking point for north korea, we don't know what it is. it's something to do with the peace treaty talk or the status of u.s. forces. we are not taking u.s. forces out of there. north korea has technically done some of the things to show goodwill. they did take down some of the nuclear missile test sites. we hear their centrifuges are still running. we don't know if they're running fast or just sticking over.
we need to see kim jong-un take a real valid step toward giving us an inventory or telling us how to cease nuclear power production. the great news is no missile test. and that keeps the usa for. you cannot discount that. trump has plenty of options. how has this been seen outer played? >> i think right now that we have been giving this process time to work, remember with ukraine 20 years ago it took four years. ukraine was a democracy. we see a lot of solidarity at the un and our top international allies wanting this to work. it really is about the delicate
negotiation between trump and pompeo and kim, and whoever kim listens to. it's a delicate and frustrating time. i would like to see more concrete evidence. things are not moving as fast but technically still on track. >> i think people are hoping for positive outcome. thank you for your analysis. >> we continue to keep our eyes on the offensive this evening. the president is on the ground in the area. he's throwing himself into the area of of what is a close race for one congressional seat. we will dive into what this means after the break. plus, we anticipate hearing from the president. stay with us ♪ when i touch you like this ♪ it's so hard to believe ♪ but it's all coming back me.
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it's in ohio's 12th district. kristin fisher is on the ground. you said the crowd has about 2700 people as they wait for the president to take the stage. >> there are 2700 people inside this auditorium. that is all this auditorium can fit. there are hundreds or thousands more outside. they had to fill two other rooms, overflow rooms. there are still people in the streets. a lot of folks waiting to see president trump. some have been here since 3:00 a.m. you never really know what you are going to get at a trump rally. one thing we know is that president trump is going to be endorsing republican, troy of alterman for this congressional seat. it's about 20 minutes -- this is
a lively republican who has been sitting in the seat since the early '80s. this is his race to lose. he has not been doing that great in the polls. in terms of fundraising, he is way behind his democratic opponent, danny o'connor. o'connor, if he wins would be the youngest member of congress. he has an interesting story as well. president trump is going to tie o'connor to nancy pelosi. o'connor has been running saying that if he wins, he would not support pelosi. expect president trump not to pay attention to that. tonight he will try to tie o'connor to pelosi no matter what. he will offer this hearty endorsement of troy. we expect him right behind me
anytime. he's running a few minutes late. a capacity crowd ready for president trump. >> arthel: do we know why the republican is running behind? is ahead by one point. as you said the republican stronghold, why is he having a tough time? >> some republicans in the area would say that he has not been the best campaigner. he has not raised as much money as o'connor. he raise just over $100,000 while o'connor raised $600,000. you have to contend with the politics of the day. right now, most observers believe this is a blue wave. democrats have the wind at their backs and not republicans. that appears to be what is happening, at least in terms of the energy.
on a special election it is about turnout. especially in the middle of the summer when folks are not paying attention. this may have to do with the fact that a lot of people in democrats and the energy is on their side. that is what president trump is doing. trying to get more energy on the republican side and bring the star power. hopefully that will energize the supporters on tuesday. >> arthel: the president is normally unscripted at these events. you know what he may talk about? >> based on his twitter feed he'll be talking about the economic numbers. yesterday we mark that u.s. employers had added 157,000 jobs in july. the unemployment rate dipped to 3.9%. on his way here he tweeted out that what he believes who are doing great things even though it has started to hurt u.s. farmers.
the trump administration has had to give them over a billion dollars in a. at a rally on thursday president trump said they can handle it and whether it. he will probably have a similar message tonight. >> arthel: often times that these events, campaign rallies, the audience might come up to you and tell them what is on their minds. have you heard anything from the folks there? >> people are very vocal and friendly. folks here tonight they want to hear the president speak. a lot of these people are big supporters, big fans of president trump. they are excited to be in the same room as him. i know the primary purpose is for him to support the republican candidate. but most of the folks i talked to say they had a have been watching president trump in action for two years and are
excited to see him tonight. >> arthel: we will see if the president can get them excited about their candidate. thank you. >> blake: for more on the rally and what is to come on tuesday special election we bring in jay, a former senior advisor to john kasich. if the president comes in, we will have to go over to that. this is a seat that has gone red since 1980. did you ever believe that we would have this conversation of the possibly going blue? >> absolutely. this is a district that i cut my political teeth on. when i was 19 i was going to doodoor to door. this is a highly affluent republican district. a lot of suburbs of columbus. not strong manufacturing base.
there is no doubt the right kind of democrats in the right kind of environment could when the district. the national media has come in recently because what you do and that's understandable. this is a tossup district and has been. the lucky thing. >> blake: you say it is a tossup district, but the outgoing congressman won by 27 - 40 points in the last three races. how is that a swing district? >> it is this time because the environment nationally and the historical trends of the losing party. this is a solid district for republicans but it could go to the other side. democrats have enthusiasm. the republicans have a candidate that fits the district. in the mold of john kasich when he was running before. would you have a good candidate
and he's doing grassroots and you have a turnout mechanism like this you can easily see a place where the blue wave crashes. >> blake: monmouth university put out a pull. how closely have you been following the campaign? 24% say very closely. somewhat closely, 42%. those numbers were six and 35% in june. many more people now are actually paying attention to the race. as that has occurred, the numbers have moved toward o'connor's way. do we read into that that he has the momentum? pulling is just a way of things moving into that snapshot. >> you have to read into it. this is always with this race and special election they are a little bit weird and we've seen them around the country. they behave differently. this was always going to be a
close race. i don't care who the democrat was unless they were left-wing liberal. this candidate is more of centralist. john kasich has endorsed the republican candidate. you can read things into this. it's a close race, it's going to go down to the wire. the rally today, my opinion is something that helps turn out the vote. all troy needs for this rallies for republicans to vote. because there's a higher percentage of republicans in the district he could win. >> blake: then republicans would say there's no such thing as a blue wave and democrats will say this was 30 plus points and now it's close. if o'connor wins will say see it's a blue way and republicans will say it's a bad candidate. not an indication of what will come in november.
these two have to run off again. i know this might sound blasphemous, but did the race even matter? they have to go through this again and 94 days. >> this is a good question. a rare occurrence where you have a match a few minutes after the count. this will tell you something about the national election. it's rare that you have real-time data to say where the voters are in a seat like this. the national pundits will read to much into this. so where it will make a differences with the national donors. in my opinion, it will not tell you what november will look like. >> blake: republicans have thrown a lot of money, if you million behind balderson in a very safe seat. if he loses on tuesday or as close as everyone feels, should
they throw that money behind him again? >> absolutely. the general election will be different than the special election. i expect troy balderson to be the winner. if not, he still stands a strong chance to get the seat back. just because of the dynamics of the district. just the whole race will change in november. today is a special election. democrats are euphoric around tell. the have already claimed victory. that could change and stop on tuesday night. the whole thing will change in november. >> blake: thank you for joining us as we await the president's comments. >> arthel: we are going to be waiting for the president to take the stage in ohio. he is campaigning for the
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♪ ♪ >> welcome back. we will show you another live look in ohio. we are waiting for the president to take stage at the high school. we will take the president live once he arrives. we want to get you caught up another news. the man suspected in the shooting death of the cardiologist who treated president george h.w. bush, instead. he shot himself when he was cornered by police in a houston neighborhood. brian is live in our new york city newsroom with the details. >> the dr. practice medicine from with in 40 years.
the cardiologist at one point treated president george hw bush. they believe that joseph murdered him because he may have been seeking revenge for his mother's death. she died on the operating table more than 20 years ago. two weeks ago the 62-year-old followed the dr. for 25 miles on a bicycle. he rode past the dr. who was biking to work with he shot the dr. three times in broad daylight. the prominent dr. was known as a generous and humble man. he was 65 years old. police find a detailed file in the home and a list of names of employees and doctors at the hospital. they do not believe it was a hit list. >> arthel: talk about how police were able to track the shooter? >> that was thanks to surveillance videos. this video shot from a home
caught him fleeing the murder scene on his bicycle. even more pivotal was the video from a metro bus that caught the entire murder as it happened. they showed this to the former colleagues identified him. the neighbors also saw the video and identified him as well. police raided his home on tuesday. they publicly identified him on wednesday. on friday it officer confronted him at home. he was wearing a bullet proof vest one a second officer arrived, patrick shot himself in the head with a revolver. >> i am convinced that how we not had that second officer arrived from a different angle, we may have had a shoot out. i'm very thankful that the suspect, although he committed suicide. >> this tragic story that could've ended more violent. >> arthel: very sad.
thank you. >> blake: we continue to keep her eyes on the columbus ohio area as president trump is set to take the stage in ohio. there is a special election in that district. let's bring back jay, a former senior advisor to john kasich get managing directo director oy llc. the president will take the stage at any moment. if you believe the latest polling is just one point between the republican and democrat in a district where democrats have held since 1980. how do we get here? >> i think this is a historical thing. presidents when one party is in power the next cycle that party starts to lose their seats. let's also look at this
district. he's at 46% approval which is a little bit better than the national average. that's an important data point. i also think that going into the race right now, what troy balderson needs is for donald trump to say get out and vote. that's what he needs. what he does not need is a distraction that takes a national headline. and then the local news station talking about something else, the mueller investigation or china. he needs it to be focused on the election and that will help republicans. >> arthel: how likely will the president be? >> your guess is as good as mine. that could go in different directions. what are the headlines coming
out of it. what are the local newscasters going to be saying? not necessarily others who are covering this. it will be a local folk talking about it because that will be important for the turnout. >> how important is governors case ache endorsement of balderson? you talk about the president but mr. k sick is a very popular and strong governor. >> he represented the 12th district for 18 years. that was a huge endorsement because it shows he can unify the republican party when there are two people what some perceive as a civil war. most republican voters respect both leaders. it's very different in the voters mine. it shows that all these
republican leaders who are doing good things in our nation back in track, troy king unite both of them. >> you're not giving governor k sick a lot of -- >> he did and add a few weeks ago. that has been helpful for balderson. john k sick is extremely popular in the state and those who want to cross the aisle. this is a big deal to get the endorsement. >> blake: when you look at the monmouth university poll as a coin flip 62% of the people said it's important to show that their vote is for the president or against. it does this race.
>> i think the folks voting for o'connor are going to be voting because of what's going on in washington. i think that is going to have another effect after the rally. that number will increase. there will be more republicans that cohere the president and will be for him. that number will increase. we have a polarized country. the 12th think aggression will district is polarized. we are at war on many things. >> blake: it is also a district that has a double the amount of republicans than democrats. >> that is true. what kind of republicans are we talking about? if you want to go into the nitty-gritty, it is a highly affluent district.
income around $60000. a lot of educated republicans. a different type of republican district. even in other conversations you have different types of democrats and republicans. that is where the differences. that is why this is a place where there could be turnover. >> blake: chuck schumer was making an argument last year, one argument was to republicans who live in suburban areas, much of what this district is. he said the agenda doesn't align with you. some would say maybe chuck schumer is right. >> the counter to that is the economy is roaring right now. people are seen that. you're talking about suburban republicans and those benefiting from the economy. there is a counter to what chuck schumer is trying to say.
i expect troy balderson to win. the cause of the make of the district it is different than others. they are just strange. you cannot drop too many conclusions. i expect troy balderson to win. >> we are looking right now around jim jordan. a congressman from ohio, a member of the house freedom congress wants to be the next speaker of the house. he is putting some work in. >> i think everyone in the political class i may be the only one in the studio. >> arthel: you going the presidents way would be going balderson's way. the ohio economy was doing well before president trump.
>> when we took office in 2010, the right track a wrong track was about 30%. that's in the last several years has changed to where people feel they have done better. it is now 60 - 30. i think they largely credit that two republican policies. that will bring good things for this tuesday. >> arthel: having said that, it seems to what you just laid out is that alderson would have the wind at his back. why is this a tight race? >> special elections are strange when you pour lots of money into it you can have strange outcomes. national democrats have been on
the ground spending money for weeks. what their message is -- and their enthusiastic. they want to take back the house house, you will have a tossup. when you have a primary in this race if you do not pick the right type of republican it will swing the other way. thankfully for balderson he has a hold of the district. >> blake: when you look at the president schedule this week he was in for to campaigning, then pennsylvania pennsylvania campaigning. and now in ohio. looking ahead to 2020, if you were advising the president on where he should go, is this a pattern we should see from the president going to ohio, florida, pennsylvania, to help candidates in those states?
>> i don't think the president will be spending much time in massachusetts, california or places that will be completely blue. he will stay with what one him the race the last time. that is smart scheduling. conversely, on the democrat side when they start to campaign they will go to places they think they will get the most votes worried that is what you do. this is not a surprise. i expect to see the president in ohio many times over the next two years. >> arthel: we know the president is popular there. he is still a strong candidate there, not that he is a candidate. there you have in this audience 2700 people. kristin fisher is reporting there several hundred others in overflow rooms. they are there, i asked if they
had a chance to talk to the folks. they are enthusiastic about seeing and meeting and listening and hearing president trump in person. so, how do we know those trump enthusiast, how do we know that enthusiasm for president trump will transfer to balderson? >> they had to move this to a bigger venue earlier. that is always a good thing for a campaign. you cannot ever guarantee it, but that is how you create enthusiasm. you are not going to keep it so attracted a lot of voters to come over to your side. they're not going to switch their votes in the last few days. all you can do is say i need to turn out the vote. i need you to go to the polls and grabbed three friends. it's what the democrats and republicans too. this is a big megaphone. >> arthel: how do you get the
11% on decided to do that? >> the 11% on decided it's just going to be a raw numbers game. more republicans in the district by a wide margin. you are not really worried about influencing those, you're worried about getting your own base out. if you do that you win. the democrats are trying to influence the undecided and also get their base out. >> blake: you mention margin, regardless of who gets the winner loss, how important are the margins? >> i think it will be close regardless. whether that's a couple points here there. >> arthel: shouldn't you pay attention to that? >> i don't think so. it's a special election. if it was a a regular election i think you could pay more attention to it.
the special elections are so weird. just factors go into it. i don't think the margins are as important. >> i think the president is on the scene at the high school. we do expect him at a moment. some of the telltale signs we will see the president. earlier he was talking about tariffs. the monmouth university poll shows that may not necessarily be a political winner in this district. we know what the president thinks about tariffs, he likes them, his administration believes they are a powerful and successful tool. for this district would you advise him to bring up the issue or just let it slide? >> i think you want to let it
slide here. this is a highly affluent district. what people sometimes a country club republicans and executives. fortune 500 executives and look, not to say that there are people who believes that it's a good thing, but i tend to think this is a district that doesn't plan as well. >> blake: i have one final question, i'll throw some pop culture in here, the president had some unflattering things to say. he is ohio's native son. he represents the country well in the olympics he is an upstanding citizen. the president's comments against lebron, will that play into that audience or the race?
>> i don't think it is the wisest thing to pick a fight with him in ohio. he brought a championship to a city that was once labeled a mistake. they reformed their whole image. i do not think it is the wisest move to attack him. >> arthel: this is definitely part of the conversation this weekend. we are at the one minute mark. how long do you think the president will go tonight? >> over or under 45 minutes. >> how much will the president talk about the president and how much we talk about the candidate? >> more than 50% on the president. i think that is fine with troy. i think you just need to make sure he says get out and vote. >> arthel: is balderson there? >> i think he is there at the rally speak to do you think they will come out and do a side-by-side shot?
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violations. it could land him in prison from 3-5 years. mercedes, that issue will come up whether mr. cohen has decided to do this to get at this out of the way and hope and pray for a pardon down the road. >> certainly what our calling is done as wonder if they are going to get cooperation. frankly, they could have a discussion with mueller later on and find out what he knew. whether president trump knew of the meeting and what the meeting was taking place. and the payment to stormy daniels. whether the president knew about either of them. and, of course he has come forward and said, look, i think you did know. the back-and-forth can whether there are some continuation of discussion with mueller is left to be seen. he is without a doubt looking at
something down the road. no lawyer wants to sit, even with that, no lawyer wants to sit in 3-5 years. that is a significant amount of time. >> neil: the former doj prosecutor, still better than what he could have made. the plea deal is something, as odd as it looks, a better alternative. >> almost by definition. if it is a plea agreement, each side is giving up something. realistically, mr. cohen must have thought he had greater exposure than 3-5 years. we have to look at the plea letter. it will be fascinating if and when we get a chance to look at it to see how it characterizes his involvement, what the statement of facts look like. is it really creating the ceiling and floor of 3-5 years. that is very unusual. even if it is an on-call operator plea letter, that is not rule out that he pulls the bullet back out of himself and
cooperate before he gets sentence appeared we are not seeing the full pitcher even when we get the plea letter. >> neil: would he be sentence as soonest today? >> no, it is very rare that a person leaves guilty and gets sentence on the same day. >> neil: would he be considered a flight risk? >> the judge has that option. i would say, generally speaking, in a white-collar case where a client walks in the court voluntarily and is not trying to evade justice in any way, most likely they walked back out. there might be some conditions and restrictions, but it does not ring like the type of case where cohen will be going out the exit instead of going out to his car. >> neil: it would not be a paul manafort situation, regardless of how this issue works out for him, it is the first wave of indictments we have seen on 18 different counts. even if he were to survive them all, he has to wait and do for the second wave that comes later
on? >> that is exactly right. done with respect to the plea. he is not going to face any additional charges that we know of. it will be done today. >> neil: we know going in there and sorting out what the deal is and whether he pled guilty? he was the victim, michael cohen, stormy daniels, those were payments made on behalf of the account of donald trump, right? >> the issue there, and that is why we want to look at the statement of facts on the plea agreement, is whether he is directly implicating the president for campaign finance issue. unfortunately, in today's world, not every hush payment is necessarily anything criminal. a may be embarrassing, it may be a bad moment for politics. but, it is really a question of
whether that funding touched on the campaign funding that creates a possible liability for the president. again, not knowing whether he is cooperating or knowing if he is accepting guilt, we have to wait and see in terms of whether he is taking a bullet or aiming a bullet at the president. >> neil: that is well put. we will wait and see if that is what is going on in new york at the courthouse. we are told michael michael cos already arrived. in the meantime, there is another jury note in a separate issue. the paul manafort trial that has been going on. this is the fourth jury that has deliberations here. at the jury is confused on a number of matters. they wanted clarification from the judge. he is outside the courtroom and the in virginia with legs. >> if the jury submitted another note. we don't know the question.
the prosecution and the defense are heading back. christine's lead attorney was asked if there was a verdict and he told a group of reporters that we would know in a few minutes. it will take a few minutes for the information to get out of the court, because there is no electronic. it has to be manually written down and carried out. earlier today, the judge told jurors that said they had a problem reaching consensus on some of the counts that if that continues to be the case, he will eventually ask them how many of the 18 counts they have reached unanimous verdict on and how many they have not. we don't know if that will happen right now. something else that the judge told the jury earlier, it is your duty as jurors to consult with one another and reach agreement. before the jury came into the room, the judge told the daniel patrick moynihan team and the christine that he does have the ability to reach a partial
verdict but has not yet given the option to the jury. there are questions about how stuck they really are. somebody who still saw the note told me that it was edited and it did not appear that the jury was asking about a single count when it was initially drafted. it is not clear if they came to an agreement on a single charge or one single charge. >> it is a good point in this trial to have a question like that. >> the manafort defense team has said the longer deliberations go, it is better for their client, paul manafort. the judge instructed the jury to go back and review all of the evidence in the case. we don't know if they have decided that they have gone far enough, but again, we will know in the next couple of minutes. >> neil: thank you, james, what do you make of that
anonymous situation there? 18 counts that the jury is waiting. if they are confused on one, and let's say that they can't unanimously convict on that. it doesn't mitigate the other 17. you could have a case where they are guilty on 12 counts. how do they go? >> in the federal system, if you get convicted of any counts, you are in trouble. from reading the tea leaves associated with the prior notes, it may be that they have reached the verdict on 17, if they hang on one of the 18 counts, it will not make a difference in the grand scheme of things. the acquittals or convictions within the 17 counts are going to become the law of this case. i think what you will see is a judge probably asking them at their note hasn't already taken care of it, asking them if there is any reason to keep deliberating on this one count. if they say no, we are at an impasse on this one counts, then he will take the partial verdict. partial in this case could mean
17 out of 18 counts. i think it is probably a fairly optimistic sign for the prosecution at this point. if they could get to the point where this jury methodically looked at exhibits and didn't immediately walk away from this case, despite the testimony, and they reach a verdict on 70 counts, i would be surprised if there weren't guilty verdicts. >> neil: thank you very much. the senator is commenting, i believe on the paul manafort case. let's go to him. >> he responded that he did stand by his testimony. we hope that today's developments and mr. cohen's plea agreement will not preclude him from an appearance where he is needed from an ongoing investigation. thanks very much, guys. they want i'm sorry, they were talking about the palm: michaen situation, not the paul manafort situation. there are a lot of people that are going to look at the manafort situation, because no matter what is decided here, the
second case that the government is bringing which they have a lot more ammo, right? >> i don't know if it is a lot more ammo. they have one additional fact that is pretty, and that is abstraction. if you recall, mr. manafort was not locked in this case. he had a number properties, duly angle bracelets on. i don't see that changing with a conviction of any count, i guess a straight acquittal, he might try to make a motion with the d.c. court to try to get back out into the community. but, realistically, on the immediate horizon, he has the foreign agent registration act violation and obstruction case waiting for him. it will be real interesting to see how strongly each side wants to pursue trial in that case after the start. >> neil: james, when the jury was admonished by judge see if
ellis, it is your duty to agree upon a verdict if you can do so. if you can't, he seems to be saying, move on. >> that is called an allen charge. it is named after a case that went to the supreme court many years ago. it basically tells the judge that if the judge wants to push them in the direction of anonymous verdict he or she is allowed to burst in. it is very soft language overall. don't abuse your own reality here. stay with it. it is a little bit of a mixed message. it is designed to get them to a mixed verdict, but it is not the end of the world if you can't reach account. it is one of the things that the judge does when they get a sense that the case might be hanging. whether it really works or not is a different question. we are heading towards some sort of verdict by the end of the day or first thing in the morning. >> neil: if you are found
guilty of all 18 counts, i guess he was spent close to 400 years behind bars. an unrealistic bill but that is. he would be staring at prison for the rest of his life. >> if there is certainly the option for the judge. in all white-collar cases, the sentencing guidelines are driven by the loss amount. the millions of dollars that were in play. back in somewhat hyperinflated the exposure when you start talking about guidelines of 30 years-like. i don't think it will be a serious conviction peered but he is looking at a lot of time. it could be eight years, ten years, 12 years. for a white-collar criminal, that is a serious head. if he gets convicted, he is looking at a sentence. the maximum sentence or the statutes allow or the sentencing guidelines. >> neil: you don't read it one way or the other in the time. the jury is delivering over something, the prosecution resolved, we are told by the
behavior that paul manafort had today, he was unusually in a good mood. you don't read anything at the time i jury just wave stuff. >> not yet, they want to help with exhibits. there is 383 exhibits if i remember the number correctly. when you have that much to sift through, they are going to methodical and sift through 383 exhibits by count. that will take some time. i think what is more important is when they start giving note saying, we are hung, or we have a she. but the actual amount of time that is gone is not externally. we might have a prosecutor that is nervous or close business tomorrow. today is not a big shop if they come up with a verdict. >> neil: all right, i do appreciate that. in the middle of this, we are monitoring very, very closely. we are they away from potentially a historic development. the market, if we don't collapse within 20%, the largest bull
market in american history. charles, we held onto a lot of our gains. i'm wondering whether a lot of this other stuff that we are seeing play out, former top trump lieutenants like paul manafort awaiting their legal future. does that way on investors, do you think? >> we saw it a lot more earlier in the year, neil, when there was news out in respect to president trump or someone on his legal team. we were as high as 130 on the dow jones, but yesterday, we gave up 38 points, friday we gave up 59 points. thursday, we gave up 49 points when drawing us to the close. i think that is more of a summary of doldrums. we drift into these closes. i would not read too much into it. but it would be a heck of a one-two punch and a test for the market. i think also, when investors sought that cohen was going to
get time, up to five years, it does not sound like someone who would flip on the president of the united states, we are talking market people, not lawyers. this could be a real subdued, benign response if wall street was really worried. maybe, we will know more in the morning, though. >> neil: over the many years we have been following these markets, they have more uncertainty. this is a new wrinkle of uncertainty. of course, improving earnings, the economy, and everything else that you have been talking abou about. that basic, fundamental backdrop remains. then what? if the street -- at the very least the president faces an extended legal quagmire, and that is a leaf, we are nowhere near that. then what? >> that is a great question. the regulatory cuts are in place. the tax cuts are in place.
business investments have been increased. we are talking investments for capital expenditures, building factories, or you're building things that will make investments last 3-30 years. all of those things are in place. we have a heck of a momentum. it is hard to believe that the economy is about to collapse. you could get an emotional, knee-jerk reaction to the marke market. i certainly would feel -- if i'm an investor, focus on the fundamentals. rather than the headlines on the front page of the newspaper. >> neil: all right, buddy, thank you very much. i did not mean to have that pause there. we are getting word that there has been a verdict, but they were not able to reach in the case of paul manafort. ten of the 18 counts involved. we don't know which ten they are. we do know that a verdict has been reached on close to half of those other issues.
don't know, for example, whether it is one or two sided by the juror. there was some confusion. judge cfl is said, he wanted to go back to the drawing board and keep trying. his quote was, "it was your duty to agree upon a verdict if you can do so." they are trying to do so, and apparently they have reached an agreement. on eight of those counts. 18 counts of particular. let's go to peter in the courthouse, outside the courthouse of alexandria, virginia. peter, what do we know? >> neil, we are getting word from inside the courtroom that the jury team came to a unanimous verdict on eight counts in u.s. versus paul manafort. there were 18 counts that he was being charged with. that means that the jury came back to the judge, they said they could not come to a unanimous conclusion on ten
counts. again, information comes out of the courtroom as fast as somebody from our team can write it down and run it out. the first think that we got was word that there is a verdict, again in eight counts out of 18. we have long understood since the trial began that wants the jury determined that they came to a verdict, there would be about a 10-15 minute wait and that is because paul manafort is being held in solitary confinement somewhere in the courthouse. they have to go and get him. we saw his wife walk in with the manafort lawyer. they have their prosecutors in the courtroom already. if things are going according to the plan that was laid out a few days ago, right now, they are going to get mr. manafort and bring him to the courtroom so that he could have a verdict
read on the eighth charges that the jury came to a unanimous verdict on. ten of them, still outstanding. we will hear what the judge wants to do with those. >> neil: peter, thank you very, very much. we are following the situation on michael cohen who bled guilty, we are told, on what would put him behind bars from 3-5 years. potentially, involving payments that were made on donald trump campaign with stormy daniels. we don't know for sure, but that seems to be the senator prior to entering the courthouse. robert, thank you for taking the time. >> nice to be with you, neil. >> neil: and the robert metaphor situation, 18 counts, if they reach agreement on ten, if they can, we don't know which of the ten or which of the eight. your thoughts? >> the option for the court is
to decide whether or not to send them back to continue to deliberate on the ones that they have not been able to reach a verdict on. it sounds though, from what i understand them of the proceedings were this morning, the judgment was implying that if they could not reach a verdict as to one or more accounts he was prepared to accept a partial verdict. statement a partial verdict means what? if you can't agree on one, wipe out the others customer >> it does not. partial verdict means the court would be prepared to accept the verdict of which they reach unanimity. acquittal or conviction and with regard to the ones i could not reach on, those would be subject to possibly a retrial. >> neil: your gut feeling on this, they have reached an agreement on those matters. we don't know what the matters are. we do know that the judge decides from those counts about
prison time. >> he does. >> neil: he does not decide today? >> it will be typically be several months before that will happen. if there is an acquittal, with regard to the remaining counts in which the jury cannot reach in a verdict, they would have to decide whether or not to retry him. >> neil: a follow-up matter, the second wave of this. >> a different district. that trial is scheduled to take place in october. >> neil: y kept behind bars during all of this? >> he originally was kept on bail. immediately after indictment. the reason he was in detained pending trial is because of allegations. i don't know all of the particulars. the substance was that he was hn touch with potential witnesses.
that gives judicial attention in a hurry. >> neil: he was not a flight risk? he was tampering. >> that is different type of danger to the community. >> neil: robert, it is so good. let me switch gears a little bit regarding the michael cohen situation. >> he is not a cooperating witness. that is what i took away from it. hence the major negotiating. >> neil: he does not throw -- >> the major negotiating factor in all of this leading to a resolution was essentially what the parties would agree to as far as recommended sentencing range. that suggests to me that you would only be doing that, it was a straight up guilty plea and not cooperation. he is not a cooperating witness. i thought that from months. he was going to be a cooperating witness, i don't believe that mueller's prosecutors would have let go of that. they sent it to the southern district in new york which
suggested to me that they had come to the conclusion that independently of that case had merit, but they did not suspect that he would cooperate with the government. that could be for two reasons. one, he was not interested in cooperating with the government, or two when he doesn't have anything. >> neil: 3-5 years in prison as a tourniquet? >> to go to trial and lose, in which case you would be facing substantially more time. >> neil: you could be held for president pardon. >> that as a positivity as well. >> neil: went there was part of anger on the team. i would assume bygones are bygones. he has not turned on the president or anyone else. >> it is entirely up to the president. we have no way of knowing what donald trump may or may not do. or when he may or may not do it. there will be a sentencing.
sentence will be imposed. there will be presumably no appeal since he probably waved his right to an appeal when entering into a plea agreement. he will decide whether to step in at that point whether to commute to descendants or actually give him a full pardon. >> neil: now, as far as i can see, robert, these particular cases are financial apples and oranges. talking about collusion et cetera, et cetera. if you are sentence had veered into that area, not so much direct collusion, or working to fix votes or anything like that, but financial transactions? >> that seems to be the focus of the inquiry. i don't think it was reported as significantly as it should have been. mueller relinquished control over the michael cohen case which suggested to me that they no longer had an interest in that and not with proceed on its
own course were unrelated of the mueller investigation. today seems to be two things. it disconnected from the russia collusion investigation, and second, michael cohen it is not, or at least not yet. >> neil: so, when you say it is a separate issue, the financial part of it, the financial dealings, not rigging boats or trying to gain advantages? >> it looks like potential campaign violations. all of those sorts of things. again, not all that unlike what we have seen already in the paul manafort case. >> neil: you saw going after bill clinton, wildly in courts, right? >> it veered wildly off course. along the way, there were applications made to the special division to expand that mandate. if it is warranted we can
discuss whether or not it was appropriate and whether a special counsel should have been appointed to do that, but that is in fact what happened. we are all asking the reasonable question, which is where is this investigation going? and what does it have to say about collusion? >> neil: robert, can you stay here? john roberts who might have had a chance to talk to rudy giuliani, the president's lawyer on all of this. >> i just got off the phone and did not speak to him about manafort since we do not know what the outcome of that your decision is. i did talk about the michael cohen's guilty plea. according to rudy giuliani, he has plenty dumb academic he will not serve as cooperating witness toward the prosecution.
rudy giuliani told me that his experience as a former district attorney for new york, if you are signing a cooperation deal, you leave the idea of a sentence open, because you want to have the maximum hammer in your hand in case the witness decides not to cooperate. the fact that they have agreed in advance to describe a 3-5 year sentence to cohen, is, is indication that at least in normal rules he has decided not to cooperate, and not ineffective. he might be completing plead ga campaign violation and what impact that might have on the president's case as it would seem to link the the trump camn was some sort of illegal activity. rudy giuliani told him that cohen's problem that he has had on many occasions that the president had no knowledge of the stormy daniels payment ahead of the election. and had only learned about it afterwards. rudy giuliani is on the record saying that the president has paid cohen back to $130,000.
he said he doesn't see how it could affect us. the president's team is feeling pretty good about this at this point. i also asked rudy gianni if they had heard back on this responseo between eight conditions. they had not. any idea when it will come? any idea on and they will make a decision on when president trump will sit for an interview? he said they will not way forever. they may just make a decision if mueller takes too much time. they could say, you took so much time to get back, we decided that there would be no interview. cannon shot across the deck to say that you better get back to us or you will get nothing. >> neil: john roberts, thank you very, very much. robert ray, the former whitewater prosecutor, now if you have michael cohen pleading guilty for tax fraud, making
excessive campaign contributions, we don't know all of the details of that. he did not and does not appear to observe -- do you think that when they were negotiating this that they were trying to negotiate this that they were trying to get that? >> i think the issue came up as to what michael cohen might have been an position to say about what the president's knowledge was during the campaign. that would be relevant, of course. >> neil: all all right hang on. >> on the issue of whether or not there was illegal -- >> neil: more coming out of that room behind him there. we have at least one guilty count. peter, why can you tell us? >> neil, the jury said they had a verdict on eight of the 18 charges and on count 1, the jury has a great unanimous decision that paul manafort is guilty of filing fake tax returns. i'm getting handed sheets that have the word "guilty" on it
five times. we have count one, two, three, four and five. 2010, 2011, 2012, 2013, and 2014. and paul manafort has been found guilty by the jury on all five of those counts. it sounds like, outside the court, there is just one person cheering. i could not tell what it was. 5 of 8 so far are guilty for the christine. we seem to have the next few charges any minute. we expect to find out what will happen and what the judge wants to do with these charges in which the jury could not reach decision on in the days of deliberation. >> neil: we are talking about paul manafort. alexander virginia. the accounts that were originally facing him on this way the microwave of
the -- five guilty counts. separately, the michael cohen situation in manhattan. of course, the president's personal lawyer who had pled guilty to campaign violations and fraud, all of which could land him in the slammer for up to five years. robert, you are hearing all of this. more in the manafort situation. >> on the manafort situation, we have yet to hear about the remaining eight counts. it looks like there are five guilty verdicts. the other three are likely to be guilty as well. we will find out. he was found guilty as in regard to the tax counts. you file your own tax returns, you know what you file. you signed them. i suspect that the jury probably did have problems with some things related to the bank fraud charges. >> neil: awaiting financial decisions. >> a little bit more complicate it.
>> neil: peter? >> on those three outstanding verdicts, paul manafort has been found guilty has appeared on a charges out of 18, the manafort jury said they could come to unanimous verdict on, they have been found guilty on all of them. the first five were on filed tax returns. these three have to do with a failure to file a foreign banking count report. bank fraud and getting a $3.5 million loan from citizens bank and bank fraud and getting a $1 million loan from the bank of california. we still do not know what the judge wants to do with these ten charges that the jury could not reach a unanimous verdict on. they are eight for eight guilty against paul manafort. two of these three that came in carry a maximum prison sentence of 30 years of peace. the first five carry maximum
prison sentences. one of them carries five, like us to 20, and two, 30-year sentence is good we are up to 80 years maximum 80 years in prison if my mental matt is correct. >> neil: i trust your mental math. >> it would be a lot of time. the numbers are so high. he is not going to get an 80 year sentence. >> neil: he could better get this? >> he certainly could decide. the government could choose to entertain the value of his post-cooperation in the verdict. the judge will decide on what to do with the remaining counts. he will probably ask the jury, i have accepted your partial verdict. do you think there is any reason to deliberate with the partial ten?
i expect that the answer will be no and he will declare a mistrial as to those counts and discharge the jury. that will then lead the decision back in the hands of bob mueller to decide whether those ten mating counts will be retried in a separate proceeding. >> neil: all right, let's go back to peter. paul manafort, the former campaign manager for donald trump who is facing a lot of time behind bars or not. you have more details? >> we now know that there have been a mistrial declared in the ten counts against paul manafort in which the jury said they could not come to a unanimous conclusion about. out of 18 charges, they came back with eight guilty verdicts, and then the other ten, they were so stocked that the judge has now declared a mistrial. the information is coming from our team as quickly as we can possibly get it out. no electronic devices inside the courtroom. it is really a foot race between
representatives of all the networks who have people upstairs on the ninth floor and in the overflow courtroom on the sixth floor here in alexandria. eight guilty verdicts against paul manafort, and ten mistrials on the other ten counts. >> neil: to update those guilty verdicts, count one, failing to file individual tax returns. there was an easy manner to prove. apparently the jury did subscribe to paul's individual tax return with the second count. individual tax returns and in a follow-up tax return. reading through these, a lot of these are tax and financial related. >> that would make sense. you have to sign a return, you presumably know what it is you sign. it is not up to the defense to say you didn't know. the other count about failing to
register as a foreign agent and the fact that he had an overseas bank account. that is of the essence of the government's case. i don't remember or recall exactly what the subject matter is remaining. although, i do think that there was a significant defense raise at least in proportion to those charges of exactly what the government can prove as to what paul manafort knew. >> neil: early on, they can be tax related, then foreign bank and financial accounts that were misreported or failed to report. financial transactions. >> when you think about it, what is the defense for that? if you have foreign bank accounts -- if you are the nominee, and you have the foreign bank account, you don't register them. there's not much to the defense to say that you did not know. >> neil: by the way, the president was apparently asked about the manafort situation as
he was getting ready to leave for west virginia for this political event. tonight, photographers tried to address this with him. he had very little to say. he ignored shouted questions on this. the motorcade came with i can review just as the manafort decision was announced. there is supposed to be a gag, but we don't know at this point. no reaction from the president. he will be in west virginia for a campaign event. >> neil: peter has more information for us now. again, focusing on the paul manafort situation. what do you have? >> neil, we are told that the jury has been dismissed as of a few minutes ago. the jury was sent home, thanked for their service, and they all asked the judge to please keep their name confidential. remember, a few days ago, a handful of news organizations, including "the new york times" " cnn, filed a motion to intervene in the case.
they wanted the names of the cheery, among other things in this trial. unseal before the verity. the judge said come out there have been threats against him, he did not see why there would not be threats against of the jurors at their names were released. at the time, he was not inclined to reveal the names. the jurors asked that the names not ever come out. they are now on their way home. >> neil: that is not unusual. people like their anonymity. >> all of this is what you would have expected. the jury was unable to reach a verdict on those counts. the judge had no choice but to declare a mistrial. he discharge the jury and sent them home. bob mueller's office will decide whether to retry this. i don't want to speak for his office, but it's probably likely like that will not be done. it would not result in the retrial. they are facing another proceeding against mr. manafort in october in any event. my guess is that we have now
heard from this jury and that is the end of the manor. >> neil: you said that this was something that was much -- not easier to prove, but more black-and-white with financial matters. 14 of the 18 counts dealt with financial issues. they were black-and-white, tax disclosures, banking investment investments. >> the star witness in this case would be the documents. that certainly was true in regard to the counter that the jury ultimately was able to reach a verdict of guilty. >> neil: wasn't that originally the case that bob mueller was building? financial, follow the money? >> doesn't lead anywhere? that is the question, isn't that? does have anything to do, will it have anything to do with the investigation with the court mandate which is collusion? so far, it seems to be that the answer to that question is no.
>> neil: no financial hanky-panky. >> what mayor giuliani said today about the michael cohen case is that it is accurately reported that michael cohen had nothing to say about donald trump's knowledge beforehand during the campaign. the fact that michael cohen is in trouble and pleads guilty to an offense of campaign violation really says nothing about the campaign or the president himself. i think that is why, you can quite accurately conclude from release, or at least what mayor giuliani is saying, about the president. >> neil: with michael cohen's lawyers who -- and in alexandria, virginia, manafort, the former campaign manager for donald trump is looking at a lot of years behind bars right now. again, a number of financial improprieties found guilty on eight counts. the judge declared it would be
on another day. it is not exonerate mr. manafort on realty on these accounts. he could be looking at the rest of his life in prison. with us now is new jersey's republican governor, christine todd whitman. governor cuomo what you think about all this? >> it certainly is a bad day for paul manafort. he's looking at a long time behind bars. it would seem from the testimony that we heard from the documents that we heard that this is absolutely justified at the jury did its duty in a very complicated case. it had to have been mind-boggling for them with a lot of the testimony. where they did come to a decision they did appeared we should thank them for their service. but paul manafort is not going to be a happy camper tonight. we want you know, there is no collusion, governor. these are separate financial decision. the beauty about some of those issues is that they are very black-and-white, very simple, very clear. but again, there are a lot of
people that are going to latch onto this and say collusion, there is a financial. coco >> it was never really about that. these were strictly on the financial of paul manafort and what he did. the fact that he has been associated with the campaign and with the president, there has been tarnished by that. that doesn't prove collusion, it doesn't prove anything beyond the fact behind this case. what else the special prosecutor has, we just don't know. what else he might be bringing forward in the next case, again, i don't have any idea. i don't think anybody really does. they are playing it very quietly. they are not trying to extrapolate from this at all. this is just what it is. it was based on the finances. it does not look good for paul manafort, certainly. it does not have anything to do with collusion. >> neil: let's bring attorney into this. the former whitewater prosecutor
who talked with us by the way. i may get your sense of where this goes now. all of a sudden, we have to look at what could come next. it is more digging around in financial transactions western mark or does it tip the hand of where the mueller folks are going or totally separate? >> generally speaking, i think it is separate. in the sense it is obvious that they drill down hard on financial trade transactions with respect to the investigation of manafort. >> neil: so is it -- from that, what does it mean? if you are robert mueller, you're looking on how a jury has decided on this. even though it was not your case, but it was the buildup of your case, what does it mean? >> if you think about what the
past shows, mueller has been following the evidence wherever it leads. and manafort's case, it led to financial transactions and charges of tax fraud, bank fraud, and other fraud against the government. i think that the fact that he did that in the past, he is perfectly willing to do that in the future. it has been pointed out. these charges are not about collusion, per se. they are about manafort's fraudulent activities. the question is, whether or not any of the charges can be applied against manafort to bring pressure against him in the russia case. there is nothing about russia in this trial and in this verdict. >> neil: all right, peter, maybe you could tell us more about what is going into that courtroom right now in alexandria, virginia. what can you tell us, peter?
>> i can tell you that manafort according to our producer who is in the court, paul was stone-faced throughout. we also told that he will be sentenced on august 28th, and the judge who made a lot of headlines in this case for some of the comments that he made where he was very critical of the mueller team actually said that the government and the manafort defense both had zealots representation. again, this report will be set us on august 28th, and he does face about 80 years in prison as a maxim appeared on the 28th, he will have a chance to speak, which he did not do at any point during the proceedings here. >> neil: roberts comment that was very interesting. alice think donna, you almost think >> judges can be tough on prosecutors without necessarilye
way or another. prosecutors are always worried about that. if they know the jury pays attention to signals, especially from the judge, that concerns them. the judge will stop here. but he also showed himself prepared to admit a mistake when he made a mistake as far as the prosecution was concerned. he did it in the presence of the jury. overall, i never really felt that the take away from that was that he was being unfair or unduly unfair to the government. judges have views about cases just like anybody else. their job, of course, is to remain neutral and not put their hand and the scales in one way or the other. it is obviously a concern if they were to tip the scales in favor of the prosecution, and in favor of the defendant. all defendants are deserving of a fair trial. prosecutors do not suffer from an unfair trial.
i think the judge was hard on them. mostly in terms of moving it along. term, it prevail. >> neil: i'm sorry, i left you out with all of these breaking news demo months. we are told that the senates is being moved to august 29th. what do you expect? >> i think that this is an interesting illustration. walking side-by-side with cohen, we see how many years that manafort is facing. that is exactly the risk that a defendant runs by going to trial. i want to point out for viewers that this is an opportunity for manafort to actually turn over some further information. it is a last chance that he can cooperate with prosecutors to have them lighten a potential sentence in their recommendation. it is honestly not a slam-dunk at all. speaking of slam-dunk's, i want to point something else out for viewers as well. in the charges here, the return verdict, we have an interesting pattern here. certain things that the media
covered that seems to be a slam-dunk, filing reports on foreign bank accounts, those were not slam-dunk. most of those where the mistrial charges. the conspiracy charges, every single one was a mistrial. it was only the more now once, the filing false tax returns that actually returned guilty verdicts here. that is an interesting illustrator and potential piece of elements as we go into trial number 2. prosecution has a thousand pieces of evidence and documentations which is 600 more than we had for this child. >> neil: 's bank fraud, bank fraud conspiracy, conspiracy to hide financial fraud from a financial institution. there was confusion there on the other counts. it was pretty cut and dry. >> -- >> neil: you knowingly sighed something. >> the instructions that the judge gives which the jury
followed and did follow. you have to agree beyond reasonable doubt that he had criminal intent to commit bank fraud. in this case, there was a hard thing to prove. >> neil: you have to prove intent. it has to go beyond signing a piece of paper. >> you have to pin the tail on the donkey. you have to prove that he had that intent. >> neil: you went after bill clinton. i'm curious as to what point, if you are the president, and you are seeing these results, rudy giuliani, should they talk about mueller or not? your decision to talk or not to talk? >> a couple of things going on here. one, i agree with governor whitman that independently, paul manafort has merit, meaning that there were underlying crimes here and had nothing to do with russian collusion. the jury's in the manafort case had a guilty verdict in the counts that they had conviction
on. and with michael cohen, they entered a guilty plea. what does this have to do with russian collusion customer if there is no evidence of russian collusion, i think that weighs more in the balance of the president's continuing to apply pressure on the special counsel and refusing to grant a voluntary interview. i think that is where that comes up. the third thing to take a look at here and pay attention to is this critical period of time between now and the sentencing date, and also the second manafort trial. there is a fair amount of pressure on paul manafort if he had anything to provide, provided now. we will have to wait and see. my guess is that the critical time will be between now, the sentencing date, and the proceeding in d.c. in october as to whether or not he has anything further to say to the government. >> neil: as to all of this, what brought michael cohen down, or the president's secretary, pleading guilty to charges of
campaign finance fraud, to hush money payments to stormy daniel stormy daniels, and "playboy" model karen mcdougall. >> it is out there. you never would have thought that this is where things would end up. the whitewater experience, who would've ever thought a land deal would've ended up in the situation in which you are investigating the president? >> neil: i am just wondering, if you are the president or his legal team, they have been talking about the mueller to be 29 hours. the president was perfectly happy, what you think that was about? >> we have talked about this before. the president rides this torment. i do. >> neil: would it be he and his talk? >> no. i think he applies pressure and labor day weekend will come and go. if there is no agreement by that point, i think the president
says, thank you, very much. we will follow-up. we will follow-up with a response. the special counsel brings fax to the attention directly to the deputy attorney general who presumably will submit it to congress to release of the public for the congress to consider after the midterm elections whether or not impeachment proceedings will be brought. that will be the substance of it. i imagine that the republic will be debating that. >> neil: the house and the senate goes nowhere, right? >> exactly. even if it changes hands, the question is whether or not it will be sufficient to warrant a vote in favor of impeachment in the house of representatives. look at how that turned out for bill clinton. there is a whole another political conversation to be had over that. see what i hear you, robert ray. thank you very much. not about collusion, just about cash. this is about cash payment. the farias others that involved paul manafort and campaign