are people who are driven large birth people. sophism a mystical form of islam has a long tradition in pakistan many muslims here identify as syfy they celebrate their faith in places like these singing and praying often until they reach a trance like state. break came here regularly. but this time it's on he has made pakistan great all over the world and we're proud of that and also of the sunni faith. that there is little trace of that positivity these days safety precautions have been stepped up in recent years there have been more than twenty attacks on holy city sites sometimes by the taliban sometimes by the i.r.s. the terrorist group has also declared the cities its enemies it condemns singing
and dancing as an islamic was devout that is said about whoever kills innocent people is not a human being. but you can't tell by looking at someone. but we can increase security but we cannot really protect ourselves from such attacks. occur only ceremony usually takes place here every week but today it's just a lone singer asking for money. that. god the god bad lately the ceremony has been canceled for fear of suicide bombers. it's all for now of course few people come here for the good but we cannot live our faith as before because of fear. of our behavior while even. in twenty ten that fear settled in here in pakistan's most important syfy sanctuary the dotted door of our shrine it's located in the country's second largest city lahore many pilgrims were killed when two
terrorists blew themselves up people here can't understand why it happened maybe it is and i'm not it was soofi super claimed islam in our region. without them there would be no muslims here i was going to vote how can you fight their followers. despite terrorist warnings hundreds of thousands of people have come to the shrine to celebrate an important holiday sometimes they queue up outside for an entire day security is tight the police force is the largest it's ever been with fifteen hundred officers here i actually feel sank. in the police security cameras everywhere i don't think anything will happen this time. and it doesn't for three days the faithful passionately practice their rituals with no violent incidents.
friends are convinced that terror will not prevail. i would say that that. you know anybody who's god is filled we were just take it as a challenge and we would continue this lean move forward. subway's family is also trying to move forward they want to spread his message even further. his sons will follow in his footsteps. they too small know. so in the meantime his brother will take over here this is my father mission this is my brother mission and this is known as mar mission now i will try my browser to gap. different. i. think. because his friends together and spontaneously organizes
a code lonely ceremony for security reasons it's close to the public organizers would need to give advents notice but at least the people outside can listen to them singing sob least favorite song asking god to fill them with love the most powerful antidote to hatred. the news from pakistan is seldom good news. but the reality in the islamic republic is more complex and often more positive than the name suggests that goes for religious life in particular. nowhere else is this more evident than on this construction site in the capital islamabad. a new mosque is being specifically built for a minority that bucks the arch conservative clichés of this country the transgender community or. maybe they have had
a firm place in pakistan's everyday life for centuries but are nevertheless subject to much discrimination. go on to stream if they really are we're not allowed to enter saudi arabia was he would have said they were not allowed on a marriage to mecca. this is the duty and right of every muslim. community and. they don't want special privileges they want the same respect afforded to other believers. but if they are not created us as transgender he created us with rights we are not a whim of nature created us deliberately with six what even our parents disown us or they often put us in the care of transgenders movements of system teacher sound or dance at
a prostitute ourselves how to beg it's hard for us to live normal lives mosques should be places where we can be who we are. and so they are building their own mosque they collected the necessary funds themselves. first year to like a goddess at our mosque should be open to all people again there is a dress code and if it's respected anyone can enter to of course anyone can. also donate maternity records educate so as a muslim that even when that's all to me i've been in business for fifteen years my donated part of my income for the construction as much money as i could spare. parts big feel awkward for me he had a high media has given the impression we wanted a mosque to be exclusive for us but that's wrong and i have an example of that. at least the city administration has not yet stopped construction of the mosque but
what do the people in the neighborhood think about the project. currently security is a top priority everywhere in the country the same holds true here at the district's largest mosque. when people are asked about the new project for the transgender community their response is remarkably tolerant. name will must judge obama a second building a mosque is a good date. but me as long as they let everyone attend there's no problem. but. i have no objection to it but i think when there are special places for different groups of select that divide society party. dividing society is the last thing the transgender community wants trans people would like to belong to society pakistan is home to more than one hundred thousand of them but it's also home to deadly fanaticism. an attack was
perpetrated at this amusement park popular mainly with christians. marco i'm a jew i was close by when the bomb exploded and i got to safety quickly when i returned everything was covered in blood there were many dead guns only i was home full of seventy five people died here on easter sunday twenty sixteen in. the attack cast a long shadow over the amusement park. business has since picked up with the park once again attracting many visitors especially on weekends security precautions have been stepped up. this christian family is returning to the park for the first time since the attack fear kept them away as well as memories of that day and the eldest of the brothers
and sisters had stayed home on the terrible easter sunday. spending that we were five siblings and our father left the family. lived alternately with my mother and my grandparents or my uncle and aunt on the day of the attack two of my sisters came here to have some fun and i like that they're not the youngest in the middle one heart but he that my brother was there too and they were at the refreshment stand and had something to eat my brother then left for a moment. he was lucky the blast only injured him but it killed my sisters. all by clean never scared by a johnny depp and she said last. like many of the christians in lahore who often experience discrimination the surviving family members ask themselves how god could allow this to happen. because he is the exist.
here i still believe that god exists it's things like that just happened. how do you call mrs i'd rather accuse the government of what they were threats beforehand but no safety precautions anyone could enter the park and controlled that on sunday there was even free admission of it was like an invitation to. the brother still suffers from his injuries and may never be able to pursue a normal profession yes he's also psychologically traumatized. we used to come here often but now we just can't we only came back to these interviewers. like many of pakistan's two and a half million christians they feel like strangers in their own country. or. bibi has been on death row for seven years.
she's pretty sick right now but her faith in god is on broken. if she is actually executed she will die for jesus. even though. he does what he can to protect his two daughters the family lives in constant fear in lahore. massy worked in this christian school as a security guard. because you could certainly get a lot of drivers say they'll kill us or vasser is released they also said death threats to the judges that's why the case is taking so long everyone fears for their lives but the gov there. may be the last footage of b.p. six years ago at a press conference with a politician campaigning for her release. two neighbors had accused of having blast
fame to the prophet mohammed a capital offense the accusations are completely untrue the politician stressed. like. his own bodyguard murdered him a short time later on the open road. as she and her family are pinning their hopes on their lawyer he is a muslim and human rights expert he took over the case out of personal conviction and compassion. all of this mission a straight the story nobody said mean that you had done something good in pakistan those are your putting you and your family in the danger of floods for him the case is clear according to islamic law and no one can be convicted on such weak evidence just. tainted too difficult for them to lead a normal life in this country. still the shifting of facts that.
most people in this part of lahore are christians subjected to constant discrimination and terror. this couple some. it was shot in front of his church the assassin's bullet was intended for someone else for his parents he is a martyr just like. a baby's conviction shows what christians are up against the glass fearing law threatens assault. your words can be twisted at any time. and then they say you have blasphemed the prophet and you must die for it . that's exactly what many radical islamic teachers and their followers demand in this mosque in lahore the murderer of the politician who helped as he is considered a kind of saint he defended the honor of the prophet the christian baby defiled it
she must hang. line and know what their problem is she has been convicted of the verdict was upheld and it has been clearly demonstrated that blast feigns the prophet. and what if the sentence were to be overturned the conservative koran scholar makes that clear. this is a school board for the. baby gets out we will take to the streets against the quarter and against the government. we have nothing against christians or sang only against your baby. and whoever stands up for our enemy. a clear threat against the highest constitutional judges they want to reach a final verdict soon here in the capital islamabad according to the law that means either commuting the sentence or death. the courts have recently imposed many death
sentences mostly against muslim perpetrators of violence the bodyguard turned murderer has been executed. the reaction to the lynching of a christian couple accused of blasphemy was also draconian the death penalty was handed down for five of the perpetrators. some pakistani journalists are taking an open stand against radicals and for us. from the point of view of one popular blogger the country's future is at stake back then would you really. be isolated and i think it would deserve to be isolated because every reason mother she's a. christian woman a minority woman coming from a class system that has already dipped against her. sari is campaigning for tolerance and hopes majority opinion and state policy will change. as
a society in transition it needs to be given a chance to grow and it needs to be given a chance to sort of see through its its dark period and this is our dark fear you know. but i'm hopeful and i'm sure if it that over time as more know where people stand up for people who are oppressed that's going to change. these catholic christians can march through the streets of lahore only under police protection. if. they're demonstrating for their rights. the community also suffered an attack during an easter celebration. but they won't let themselves be intimidated. i think i know they are more coming
to give us the all those were not coming but after these incidents they are coming more and more because they feel that it is there so they don't fear in that sense. the priest preaches a message of hope. in the christian community is hoping for the support of the state who should protect them from new terrorist attacks if not the government and the police the priest refrains from criticizing the strict blasphemy law. all this law. in pakistan is more direct bigger use pods for the muslims less than the christians very thing for. above all they hope that the christian quarter will no longer need armed protection. but it is not only religious minorities who have difficulties back to karate and
a run of the mill residential complex the residence of the. around refuge behind these walls they won't show their faces their families could recognize them track them down and kill them or. send who has been living in the home for two years her offense she complained about the infidelity of the man she'd been forced to marry in her father's eyes she brought shame on the family. going to. try to shoot me twice but he didn't have the heart so he asked my thirteen year old brother to pull the trigger he wanted to do it too a little made it hard but who's about to shoot me if it. doesn't my mother intervened and i managed to escape someone told me about this whole thing which is the my father and brother don't know i'm here. which is their dotage of me all but i'm still afraid they'll track me down here they come here and kill me and look at
me anyway i'm never going back to them again. but i do would you look at the good of your limited thinking. another resident story is equally tragic. at the age of fourteen salma was forced to marry for the first time her husband dumped her then her parents sold her to another man for the equivalent of two hundred euros but i believe he was forty years old and had serious illnesses what the boy when it got i stayed anyway it will be long mark one day his boss or me and he offered to promote my husband if you could have sex with me in return i did article you no more lead here i refuse to be going you know gog and he got need to make up that i leave my husband lock me up proper my then his boss came and raped me several times i was knocked out. when i woke up i heard them say they wanted to burn me play dead maybe i should when they went out
to get gas and matches i escaped. but all about got the out of committee got there . they had. she escaped but not to the local police she went to regularly to a private aid organization its mission is to help women who are terrorized by their own families and who otherwise have no place to go. unfortunately ahmadi have police that unfortunately the women can't trust the police when they file charges they're also unfair they humiliated at the police station here no strict laws against domestic violence. we just live in a male dominated society and that's the problem. is that. this case sparked a public debate a mobile phone video showing five women and one man at a wedding the village mullah condemned their behavior as an islamic they disappeared the case is not yet solved but according to witnesses they were
tortured and murdered by their parents. the murder of internet star can deal ballo it's also made headlines her brother took exception to her videos and strangled her. in reaction to this punishments in pakistan have become more severe the reference to family honor is no longer considered a mitigating circumstance in the case of murder charges one might think that goes without saying but a survey of men in a conservative quarter of karachi shows the frightening reality. brother of can build it the right thing according to our belief a man must not allow someone to look at his sister with lust and he certainly should not allow her to post offensive videos of herself and. no man with a spark of decency in his body may allow a woman in his family to defile his honor so much. that of course a man can also forgive his wife or sister but if their behavior is totally
misguided he may also take tougher measures. after her scape. when do you came to the headquarters of the human rights organization for the protection of persecuted women it's a few kilometers from the shelter for the camera she retraces the path that led her to the reception desk after she poured out her heart to the employees they showed her the way to the shelter. most of the people working here are experienced lawyers and idealists they know that only a few of the women affected make it to them more than a thousand women a year are victims of so-called honor killings a misleading term says the organization head and husband of the shelter manager. the last one i met was a girl whose brother had abused her and try to hide it and he tried to kill or and make it look like an honor killing your what does this have to do with on or we
must see it as what it is because murder with. the director and his colleagues also know that the evil in pakistan is not brutal men but destructive traditions lack of education and a lack of the rule of law. school now i warn against blaming only men. i also know cases where maltreatment was perpetrated by women. or women who kill their fathers or their daughters. that also happens between it and the survivors of the honor killing attempts they have no education no money some women have fled with their children now they concentrate on raising them and caring for other abandoned children who also live in the home. others such as eighteen year old times war are still completely traumatized she has already been forcibly married three times to different men that would. be good i think get it
when i was eleven but my father married me to a man who already had children and a wife. she was jealous of me she tortured and abused me she tried to kill me with black magic. which i did you give a good hard job. give us. when tosh why i wanted to return to her family she was locked up and urged to commit suicide instead. i cut my wrists but not in such a way that it was fatal my family told me to try again and he would be happy if i died after that. the. prospects for their future are bleak what can they do in a society that revolves some completely around family the shelter managers have taken over the family's role. again but she made us out there and we're trying to teach the girls educate them to independent. we also try to help get them married.
is it that i have voiced them illegal that as. you see that they can speak up and when there's a chance of reconciliation with the family we also hope. they help raise the other young children as well daily life distracts them from their memories and fears of the future. which i don't know what to do next the shelter managers are my parents now and they'll decide for me just like my parents used to. despite all their terrible experiences most women here hope the organization will find them a new husband who will protect them from their most dangerous enemies their families. it's not just pakistani families that are fractured the deepest divide has come with the founding of the state and the bloody separation of india from kashmir.
the predominantly muslim region is split into an indian and a pakistani territory. tourists rarely come to the western side of kashmir it's too dangerous especially near the border with pakistan. those who live here often have a sad tale to tell. you i have relatives in the indian part of kashmir i haven't seen them in over thirty years we can't talk on the phone either it's bad i don't understand why in germany the wall was torn down and the division was overcome when it does not work here. almost no day passes without fighting at the nearby border. that is why the economic situation here is very bad. and the whole world is watching. what
other prospects do we have. the. most suffer a bad the regional capital experienced yet another disaster in two thousand and five more than eighty thousand people died here and in the surrounding area when an earthquake struck. for many the latest border skirmishes are more urgent threat than natural disaster. there are people in the military hospital who were injured by gunfire. and then i was on a bus when the indian army opened fire and they shot the driver and two of my uncles i hid behind the bodies but i also took two bullets. were injured. and one he gets an important visitor a woman who is we've aired here as
a heroine who shall mali could fight for an independent state of kashmir independent of pakistan but also of india with its hated hindu government. for blessing their government bush meat is beard on that side of the say they had this undying oath and the really. to fight for their right to said no that is what india is trying to kill. one hundred kilometers away on the indian side here too most people are muslim. the capital is called srinagar and the streets are teeming with soldiers and policeman protection against terror that is almost commonplace here. the local leader of the hindu ruling party b j p is on his way to a crisis meeting on the agenda how to deal with the most recent bombings especially in schools no one has claimed responsibility. is made by.
pakistanis behind it they support terrorists like a star has instigated several wars over kashmir and has achieved nothing now they are stirring up the people here against india but that won't work. and what to the students say it's far from clear to them who is behind the attacks made the move but on him i don't know whether terrorists committed the attack or even the indian authorities. in any case whoever did it should be severely punished before they attack another school. or. a hockey classes have been canceled because the classrooms were destroyed that's not the only reason why students face an uncertain future youth unemployment in and around srinagar is high unsurprisingly it's hard to attract investment to the area. these people also come from the area of srinagar but were expelled and now live in
a refugee shelter on the pakistani side of. the indian authorities allege they were providing cover for terrorists. i am a simple man but they claim that i have contact with pakistani terrorists at this and should give them information. they tortured me look at my life. be die you are very good because he can't work anymore. he and his family live on less than one euro a day. visits or help from relatives on the indian side of kashmir are impossible. is also separated from her husband he was born in india and lives there but most of the time he's in prison he sees himself as
a kind of gandhi fighting nonviolently for an independent kashmir. who comes from a pakistani family married him seven years ago like their daughter has not seen him for two years. i could have lived a normal life but the kind of soul that i have it's very onset really and my soul just clicked with him that yes we have to do something in this short lifespan caister should raise a wife for humanity. as does her husband he has just been released from prison on the indian side he was arrested when he called for a demonstration. i mean that india is more scared of non well in the moment because they know what they were this is. they know a lot of people to be on the streets. the way they used for is access to food is it the people i need this will go on because no seventy years have bussard so seventy
minutes for you in the ration in india used every kind of military method corruption method. go look meant method but all these methods failure so museum demand is very new and scared she concludes to dissolve this dispute but they still believe. you have enough to get enough. sex. this recent footage caused further controversy the indian army had killed and the much terrorist his supporters took to the streets many demonstrators were killed and thousands injured. nevertheless even after seventy years of division many kashmiris still hope for reunification although there was little cause for optimism and many will do i did he know intellectually.
believe government will get united. because there was the visions of the people. his wife campaigns for united kashmir at one press conference after another. the pakistani authorities tolerate her even if just to annoy india they want the world to finally take note of what's happening in kashmir. god forbid a terrorist activity takes place in america or in the other part of the world the whole world is signalled unsafe right so it's a small world now and hair you have this. pledge to met peaceful struggle at the moment it's a majority to peaceful struggle. at present however there is no indication that reconciliation might come about. and that kashmir will once again become what it has been for a long time in history a bridge between different worlds and cultures. this
restaurant in most suffer about it's empty. two brothers opened it a year ago hoping for travelers looking to explore the beauty of kashmir. you know you saw it get us when we started out you know counted on many tourists but why would they come here when there's always shooting nearby. if this keeps up we're going to have to close a place down. there getting them out it was one of the beauty and melancholy there are few places where they are as closely intertwined as in kashmir. but there are some promising developments to. international understanding on the
catwalk at the first indian pakistani fashion fair not in pakistan but in india in the capital new delhi. a feast for the eyes and a source of inspiration for exhibitors and visitors alike. a crash course in south asian textile design. some of the best designers from both countries are present this designer comes from india and explains very different very very different fashion and slightly different. fashion is very different when you go down south it's india it's extremely extremely different you will find this less follows in the south so
you will find more leaves in the stouts way it is when you go to get to the east you have a lot of time looms and textiles that come into. meus so i mean that this sex diversity throughout india that's what india is known for at the end of the indian design is the border experimenting and pakistanis are still a traditional. new india the pope in their thinking invented the step but had contracts to lose a lot to his trousers a lot of got to play with options and what is the indian design to concentrate more than structured stuff. and what does her pakistani colleagues say. the thing that's very unique to pakistan is that the fashion that we bring along is things that you will be the pakistan has not yet so they get to westernize each incomplete piece so
that means that we do where weston's what is your feeling anything we read you know about it how in india the younger generation is always in denims and. that's not how pakistan is we're still very the pakistan and i that identity is so strong that anywhere in the world that people people want that same hope so that's what we bring with no one put up the interest pakistan that has a list says more kind of an approach beautiful and very simple words. is a pakistani woman and that's like across the board a country and there is so much and. the love that indians have for the pakistan to look at that about this tiny one has it's like they consider. to be. there even a few men here although not on the catwalk. the
event organizer makes an appearance but seems a little nervous daunted perhaps by all this cultural bridge building. beauty madhumita and brutality exists. side by side in pakistan lobello through july just below that relatively young country that still in search of its identity loaded.
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night that he found out some bad information about the company. and then proceeded to tip off his son who also invested in the company. so take a look at this timeline. this was on june 22nd of 2017, summer of last year. at 6:55 p.m., the indictment says he received an e-mail from the ceo of the company saying that a drug trial had been a failure. now 16 minutes later, at 7:11 p.m., he starts calling his son. he tries to make that call four times before he is successful. and at 7:16, he speaks to his son and informs him about this information that he had learned. and it is the next day, 7:42 a.m., in the morning, that his son starts putting in orders to sell off his shares of his stock in this company. n ultimately, the indictment says that he was able to avoid some $570,000 in losses. now a lot of congressional reporters are actually already familiar with this company innate immunotherapeutics
congressman collins will have morto s more to say on this issue later today. we'll see whether he makes a direct statement about this, but, obviously, very stunning and serious news coming just three months before his re-election, wolf. >> very stunning indeed. all right, m.j., we'll have a lot more coming up on this story. a lot of legal analysis. there's other important news including this just coming in. the trump legal team has delivered their answer on the interview request from the special counsel robert mueller. one of the president's personal attorneys, rudy giuliani, says they want to get this over before the midterms in november. maybe by september 1st, around labor day. our chief political correspondent dana bash has the breaking news on all of this. what can you tell us about the response? will there be any conditions, especially about questions pertaining to possible obstruction of justice? >> well, i spoke to rudy giuliani this morning. he wouldn't give any details on the nature of the response
like, what did you say to comey about flynn? why did you fire comey? answers to those questions, they say, and the president's legal team said mueller already knows the answer to. so to ask that question of the president would be simply trying to catch him in a lie. that's the argument. was there anything on those topics that could potentially be okay with you? possibly but can't think of any. so that certainly seems to be, if robert mueller is still determined to ask the president questions releasing to potential obstruction of justice. we don't know. but we don't know because they're completely mum over in mueller land. that could be the deal breaker on this potential interview. it is very incremental. they are proposing, counterproposing and have been for months and months and months. but it is noteworthy. giuliani talked about the september deadline and that is the traditional window in which the justice department doesn't
of the world if the president is still kind of facing this potential investigation or what have you during the election because they need the base to be energized and perhaps that's a way to energize the base. we'll see, though. it's not up to them. it's up to robert mueller. >> it certainly is. he knows a lot more about any of this than any of us do. >> thanks for that excellent reporting. let's discuss all of this. eliot williams, former deputy assistant attorney general. molly ball, cnn political analyst, national political correspondent for "time," also with us former federal prosecutor glen kershner and cnn legal analyst laura coats. let's talk about this latest response from the giuliani trump legal team to robert mueller. wrap this up by september 1st. they don't want to talk about obstruction but they're willing to answer other questions. >> i'm shocked giuliani continues to believe he has so much leverage that he can
dictate the terms of a conversation with special counsel mueller. the only leverage they really do have is you have this election that's looming and this doj initiative that says you cannot have this in an election year. you want it wrapped up. donald trump's not actually on the ballot. so there's an arguable claim to make that says that wouldn't actually impact the president of the united states. he's not on the ballot. but i'm really shocked. many of us are, that the two president's personal attorneys are conversing about a legal matter with a pending federal investigation on a radio show where they're prepared to make comments about privilege i'm sure later on about executive privileges, certainly attorney/client privilege and arguing as if the only way robert mueller will talk to them is if they dictate the terms. it's not going to happen that way. ultimately, i think he'll have to sit down and answer some questions. >> i want to say to glen, how do you see it? >> so, wolf, i'm not convinced that this is actually a two-sided negotiation.
i think rudy giuliani has been negotiating against himself in his zeal to get all this information out into the public square. i don't think there's ever been an intent on the defense team's part on president trump's defense team to bring the client in, have him sit with robert mueller. i was surprised at the recent reporting that mueller was willing to put some questions in writing and submit those to the president. but the more i thought about it, it may very well be that some of the questions proposed in write, things like, mr. president, did you tell director comey to lay off mike flynn? there are only two answers to that question. if the answer is, yes, that's evidence of obstruction of justice, arguably. if the answer is no, i am betting that robert mueller's team can prove that to be a lie. so his latest terms which are basically the way it sounds to me is, we'll bring him in as long as you don't ask the president anything incriminating or relevant. i mean, that seems to be
laughable. >> elliott, go ahead. >> the other point is it's not a perjury trap if you're telling the truth. and if you aren't trying to conceal or change facts or mislead the people. and i think it's unfortunate they're using perjury, trap and trying to convince the public that somehow robert mueller is the one at fault here and rob mueller isn't the one under investigation. we should be careful when hearing perjury, trap or am i going to be trapped into incriminating myself when you might have done something wrong. >> a lot of people, molly, believe the president is never going to sit down with robert mueller and do a q&a. maybe in written form,ing? along those lines but not in a face-to-face interview with mueller and his team. that all of this is just politics right now. setting the stage, we tried our best, wanted to do it. the president certainly wanted to do it but these guys have 13 angry democrats. they are just engaged in a witch hunt and it's not going to happen. >> there's a couple of aspects to that.
giuliani may be negotiating with himself but he also seems to be negotiating with his client because trump, number one, reveals so much about this in public, insists on tweeting about it, making his case in public when any lawyer would probably prefor that he did not do that. and second, when trump has repeatedly said publicly and privately that he'd like to do this whether or not his counsel thinks it's a good idea, and he continues to say they're trying to talk me out of it, but i think i can do it and it may be partly plu partly bluster. but what he's doing is running interference between trump and mueller trying to satisfy trump's wish to do the interview while also protecting him in some way from himself. and then the third point is that he may not have a choice. part of what he may be doing is trying to run out the clock without saying no because the minute they say no, that sets up a potential subpoena fight. i think neither side wants that,
but it is something that can happen when and if they do shut off the possibility. >> stay with me. a lot more that's developing right now. there's more on the other breaking news we're following. republican congressman chris collins of new york, one of the president's first big supporters, he's now been arrested and indicted on insider trading charges. also lying to the fbi. we'll talk about his fate. plus, the president declaring victory in ohio despite the special election there still too close to call. does the cliffhanger spell trouble, though, for the gop ahead of the midterm elections? and senator rand paul delivering a letter from president trump to vladimir putin. we have details. lots of news. we'll be right back. hey allergy muddlers. are you one sneeze away from being voted out of the carpool? try zyrtec®. it's starts working hard at hour one. and works twice as hard when you take it again the next day. stick with zyrtec® and muddle no more®. ♪ it's so hard to believe
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back now to one of our top stories this hour. republican congressman chris collins of new york arrested on charges of insider trading. prosecutors say collins tipped off his son about negative information regarding a biotech firm. collins was on the board of. his son was able to then sell off shares avoiding more than half a million in losses. collins was already, by the way, under scrutiny for his role on the board, as well as recruiting several lawmakers to invest in the firm, including the former health and human services secretary tom price when he was a member of congress. price's investment, by the way, came up during his confirmation hearing last year. i asked congressman collins about it at the time. here's what he told me. this is in january of 2017. did you encourage him to buy stock in this company called innate immunotherapeutics? >> no, absolutely not. there was nothing done that was insider trading or unethical.
i've been involved with innate therapeutics for almost 15 years. i'm the largest shareholder and i talk about it all the time, just like you'd talk about your children. >> were your telling other constituents and friends of yours to go ahead. this is a great stock. go ahead to buy it. >> i talked to them about the great work this company is doing. the market for secondary progressive m.s. and there are many hundreds, 50, 100 people from western new york, friends, family and so forth who decided on their own, this was a pretty darn good investment and it certainly turned out to be so. >> you understand why to the average person out there, there is something sort of smelly in all of this. you understand why people are complaining and why it seems a little sloppy, if you will, why the democrats, a lot of democrats are going after congressman price and threatening his confirmation over this one issue. >> it's just so absurd. >> let's discuss this and more.
elliott, what do you make of what we just heard from him knowing the allegation against him is that when the stock was about to collapse, he gave advance word to his son to sell and in the process save a half a million dollars. >> he'll have plenty of time to get his story straight from behind bars at some point. and frankly, looking at the fact he was a top supporter of the president, the president is making the washington, d.c., swamp look like lake tahoe in upstate new york. or lake placid in upstate new york. what we keep hearing from him is -- and his lawyer said, i never bauought, he never bautou any stock. he was unlawfully providing information to members of his family. he broke the law. trying to make it about democrats going after representative price or whatever, it's misleading like we were talking about earlier. >> i want to be fair to the president. there's nothing in this indictment that involves him at all. collins is one of the first supporters in the house of representatives.
he endorsed him very early on. but the president, donald trump was never involved in this company biotech firm. >> that's perfectly fine but how many times are we going to hear about corruption from the president, a top supporter, a lawyer, a campaign chairman before we start to really recognize how much this corruption is running through everything the president touches. it's like king midus was -- the president turned everything that turned to gold. the president seems to touch everything that turns to corruption and everywhere it seems to be following him. >> the indictment and i've read it and you've read it. it doesn't say he did anything wrong when suggesting to other family members, friends, hey, this is a great stock, a great company. they could come up with a cure for some form of m.s. he didn't tell them to buy but clearly that was the implication. the charges that when the clinical trial was about to fail, he got advance word and then tipped off his son. who then tipped off others. they wound up saving hundreds of thousands of dollars. >> it's not about the innocent conversation and encouraging who would not want to have a cure
from m.s. and if there's a lead to it, you'd talk about it, of course. the real criminal behavior is that you were in a unique position to get information that was not disclosed to the public. nobody else had the advantage to have the information but suddenly you got it and within minutes you tried to call people while you were still on the white house grounds to tell someone to sell off their stock or coordinate some plan that not more than 12 hours later suddenly actually went by. so that's the crux of insider trading and what you saw from the graphic that m.j. lee played was that you have the documentary evidence very early on. the phone call, the e-mail that said the drug test has failed. that's why most of the time insider trading cases are very document heavy. either you have the information in advance and you acted on it or you did not. and what you're seeing here is somebody who wants to deflect, possibly, on the discussion of, i was just innocently telling you about a drug to actually that turned into insider trading and suddenly they saved hundreds of thousands of dollars. >> glenn, his lawyer, the
congressman's lawyer says there's no charge in this indictment that he personally sold when he got the advance word. he had a lot of money invested in that stock as well. his son sold. others sold. but he personally didn't call up his broker and sell off this stock. is that a strong argument he has on his behalf? >> so it's not a strong argument. here's how. and we have heard similar refrains regarding the trump tower meeting. they never got any information so it must not have ripened into a crime. let me break down the law of conspiracy. the law of conspiracy says if two or more people get together and agree to commit a crime and then take one step, what we call an overt act toward committing that crime, that in and of itself is a crime. it's the crime of conspiracy. they don't have to commit the underlying offense and i use as an example all the time a conspiracy to commit a murder. two people get together and decide to murder a third person
and they rent a car to use in the murder and buy a gun and they map out the victim's route but they never do pull the trig eso to speak, they have committed the crime of conspiracy to kill. >> the district attorney says collins placed his friends and family above the public good. what's going to be the political fall out of this? >> i think it is one more headache that republicans don't need after last night's election results also buoyed democrats and discouraged republicans, this is yet another blow. congressman collins is in a heavily republican district. it's hard to imagine him being vulnerable even in the face of something like this, but he may come under pressure to resign. he does have a democratic opponent. but the more political impact is along the lines of what elliott was saying. it contributes to a narrative that democrats have been trying to build. pointing to the trump administration, pointing to what they call a culture of corruption.
and the -- there is reason to believe that that resinates with voters much more than, say, the russia investigation. you know, a lot of people, a lot of politicians have found that the russia investigation is complicated. it's convoluted. trump has succeeded in moving the needle and making a lot of people think this is a witch hunt. this really does bother someone when they think their elected officials are not working on their behalf but self-interested, profiting from their office, helping their friends and cronies. so you can expect to hear a lot more about that from the democrats. >> in this indictment, the other very serious charges against him and his son are that they lied to the fbi when they were initially questioned about all of this perjury. that's a big deal. you go to jail if you lie to the fbi. don't do that. there's a pair of nail-biters too close to call in ohio and kansas. we're watching right now. president trump already declaring victory, but could this spell some trouble for republicans in the midterm elections coming up in november?
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also the republican primary for governor of kansas testing the president's popularity as one of the most -- one of his most controversial supporters tries to up end the republican establishment in kansas. let's bring in cnn political director david chalian. walk us through what we saw last night, first in ohio. >> first in ohio, what we saw, it's still in too close to call category but the republican troy balderson is leading. in the vote count. and what we saw you just stated. this is a district that donald trump won by 11 points. that mitt romney won by 10 points. that has been held in republican hands for 35 years. deep red district, and it was a very close race within 1 percentage point. why? because we're seeing democratic enthusiasm arrive at the polls in turnout. and republican turnout is a little depressed as the president argues all the time to his supporters. don't get complacent.
there's some complacency there. it's a very republican district. the republican able to hold on. but it should never have been this close. what does this mean? it means, look around the country. the battlefield is so large. if this republican of a district can be competitive, there are, according to the political report, 68 less republican districts than this one. so you can just see how large the battlefield is for democrats as they try to win a net gain of republican seats. >> still about 8,000 votes, absentee ballots yet to be counted. >> danny o'connor has said his campaign not going to concede at all right now. wants to make sure all those votes are counted because they want to see if it gets within half a percent and that would trigger an automatic recount. >> what about kansas? >> what about kansas. what you see in the gubernatorial primary is donald trump's poetency at play.
kris kobach, one of his most controversial supporters. one of his most controversial supporters no doubt due to his voting fraud panel participation and the comments made about that. his hardline immigration views. he took on a seated republican governor and look at that vote total there. it's 191-vote lead for kris kobach there. so this clearly is not done either. we're waiting to hear from the governor who has not yet conceded the race there at all. waiting to see if they call for a recount. only 191 votes separate them. if kris kobach emerges, the question is going to become, does that give the democrats an opportunity? is he a controversial enough figure that he can get through a republican primary, defeat the incumbent governor, have the president's backing but will it make the seat vulnerable for democrats to pick up in the fall? >> big picture what we saw last night, what does it bode for the midterm elections in three
months? >> what last night showed us, i think it solidified the trends we've seen all along. in all the special elections, the story has been democrats are significantly overperforming in these republican-held districts. where hillary clinton got there, what the previous democratic candidate got there. and that's because all the enthusiasm right now in american politics is on the democratic side. >> good point. david chalian, thank you very much. we'll be busy between now and november. we'll watch it very closely. we'll get back to the breaking news. republican congressman chris collins of new york set to be in court within the hour after being arrested and charged with insider trading this morning. we have details. plus, senator lindsey graham reveals what president trump couldn't stop talking about during their golf outing at the country club in new jersey. stand by. we have details.
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are you one sneeze away from being voted out of the carpool? try zyrtec®. it's starts working hard at hour one. and works twice as hard when you take it again the next day. stick with zyrtec® and muddle no more®. republican congressman chris collins of new york is expected to appear in a federal courtroom in the next hour. the new york republican surrnderred to authorities today after being indicted on charges related to alleged securities fraud. collins was the first sitting member of congress to support donald trump during the 2016 presidential race. joining us now from rhode island, democratic congressman david sicillini, member of the
house judiciary committee and foreign affairs committee. congressman, what do you think of this indictment of your fellow congressman chris collins? >> i think it's, obviously, very, very disappointing. serving the public in elected office is a tremendous honor and a great privilege and everyone has a responsibility to conduct themselves to the highest standard and certainly this is a gross violation of that. and i think it feeds into the narrative sadly that we're seeing so much from this administration, republicans in congress. this culture of corruption. we saw it in administrator pruitt and in secretary tom price. we see it in the self-dealing, the idea that government is not working for the people, but working for the powerful special interest and the well connected. people are sick and tired of it. here's just the most recent example of someone using his position where he's supposed to be serving the american people and instead is serving his own financial interest. it's disgraceful. it's very sad day. and i think the american people are going to say loudly and
clearly in november they're sick and tired of the swamp and culture of corruption in washington and they'll give democrats the responsibility of leadership. >> the indictment and i've gone through it and i'm sure you have as well, it doesn't allege that donald trump had any involvement in this biotech firm or any of this insider trading. >> oh, no, no, i'm not suggesting the president does. i'm saying we've seen in this administration other examples of this culture of corruption of the swamp of washington and although the president committed to draining the swamp, this is the most corrupt administration in recent history. and this is another example of folks who think that elective office is not there for the service of the people of this country but for their own personal gain or benefit. we've seen lots of examples of that in the trump administration. we now see an example with chris collins. i think people are sick and tired of it. they want washington and the government to work for them to the best interest of the people of this country. >> let's talk politics. the race in ohio's 12th
congressional district is still up in the air. too close to call right now. what's the significance of this very close race for the democrats, either way it ends up heading into november's midterms? >> i think the most important thing is to remember that a democrat has not held this congressional seat but for one time since 1938. so this is a solidly red district. and i think it's evidence that the democratic candidate and candidates like him across the country that are focused on the important issues facing the american people, driving down health care costs, creating good paying jobs, rebuilding the infrastructure of our country and draining the swamp in washington and ending this culture of corruption, those are resonating. this is a complete rejection of the trump administration and the republican narrative. and people are looking for a new direction in our country. new leadership. when democrats focus on the issues that matter to the american people, they prevail. the republicans have to spend over $5 million in this special election. they shouldn't have had to spend
a penny. it's a solidly republican district and it's a harbinger of what's to come in november. there's going to be a big blue wave because people are tired of what they're seeing. >> let's talk about the movement among democrats right now. the governor's race in michigan, for example, where a progressive democratic candidate lost the democratic primary. you are the vice chair of the congressional progressive caucus. do you think some more middle of the road or establishment democrats are actually breathing a sigh of relief that the more progressive or democratic socialist candidate support supported by bernie sanders, for example, didn't win? what does that mean for the future of your party? >> i think what it means most importantly is that there's tremendous excitement about democratic candidates. enormous enthusiasm. we're seeing that reflected in the increases in voter turnout. we'll have a lot of new candidates. a lot of new members of congress from a whole range of spectrums
from the very progressive to more moderate to blue dogs and new dems, to progressives. that's great for our caucus. it's great for the country. what will happen is we'll work together when we're in the majority to develop consensus around issues. there's a lot more in common than we have disagreement. but that's a good problem to have. they'll bring their best ideas. a lot of new energy. and they'll advocate for their positions. and out of this will come some real consensus within our caucus. it's a great sign of the energy of the enthusiasm of voters for democratic candidates. and we're a big tent. we'll have lots of people with different views all committed to driving down health care costs, draining the swamp, rebuilding the crumbling infrastructure and moving us forward. so it's a very exciting time for the party. very exciting time for our country, and i think this sort of broad appeal across the spectrum among democrats is very, very good. >> remember what ronald reagan used to say about the republican party. he wanted it to be a big tent party. have a lot of different views
and you use the words big tent right now. you want the democratic party to be a big tent party as well, right? >> absolutely. and we want people to come into the party and bring their best ideas. when ideas are generated to make suggestions and make them even better. out of that legislative process will come the best product that will serve the american people. we should be excited about that. we should embrace it, and not run away from it. >> congressman david ciciline, thanks for joining us. senator rand paul delivering a letter from president trump to vladimir putin. we have the back story. stand by for that. and new details emerging about what the president and putin may have discussed during their still mysterious one on one meeting in helsinki. ♪ keep it comin' love. if you keep on eating, we'll keep it comin'. all you can eat riblets and tenders at applebee's. now that's eatin' good in the neighborhood.
republican senator rand paul makes a diplomatic delivery. he delivered a letter to the russian leader vladimir putin from president trump while paul has been visiting russia this week. he tweeted this, quote, i was honored to deliver a letter from president trump to president vladimir putin's administration. it emphasized the importance of further egaugement in various areas. we heard from the white house a few moments ago the press secretary, assistant press secretary, describing as a letter of introduction in hopes of meeting with vladimir putin. but as far as we know, no meeting has taken place between the senator and the russian leader. let's bring in our chief international correspondent clarissa ward. what more do we know about how all of this came about and how the kremlin has responded.
>> so what we know so far is that the three specific issues that the letter pertained to were counterterrorism, improving counterterrorism between russia and the u.s., improving legislative dialogue and also resuming cultural exchanges. these are seemingly, wolf, very anna dime topics. the very thing you expect to see the president of the u.s. and the president of russia discussing as they go about trying to repair the very damaged relationship. what makes this, however, very unusual and quite striking is the method of the delivery of the letter. there are diplomatic protocols. there is a chain that one goes through. we have a thing called the state department. and traditionally a letter from the u.s. president to the russian president would go through that typical diplomatic chain or protocol. so very unusual to see president trump giving this letter to the senator to hand deliver to
russian lawmakers who then reportedly passed it on to the kremlin. we gather from a russian news agency that the kremlin has the letter but that it has not yet been reviewed by president putin himself. one can only assume, wolf, that he will be reading it soon. but again, very untraditional mechanism for delivering this letter, opening up the possibility people are saying of is this some kind of a back channel, really too early to draw any conclusions about that, wolf. but given that the topic of the letter, the specific things that are discussed seem so generic, it seems an unusual way of handing over this letter to the president of russia. >> when it comes to direct dialogue between the u.s. and russia, senator paul and president trump, they're on the same page. they want to have these kinds of exchanges. they're clearly working together in that area. as you know, clarissa, there's a leaked document now that sheds more light on that private meeting that president trump had with president putin
in helsinki. according to politico, the memo shows that putin lobbied the president on various issues, including arms control and prohibiting weapons in space. so what more are you hearing i about all of this? >> all of this is coming from a report from politico. cnn has not yet been able to independently verify the report. but from what we gather, again three main topics that president putin reportedly drilled down on with president trump during that two-hour meeting, as you have said, many times before that two-hour meeting, that private meeting has been the source of endless speculation, a lot of mystery surrounding it, a lot of questions of what was discussed. according to this document which was written in russian much of it leaves putin's agenda really focussed of issues of arms control with three specific topics, the five-year extension of the new start treaty, this essentially dealing with limiting nuclear armaments for
both sides, both the russians and the u.s., commitment to reaffirm the inf treaty, this deals with intermediate ranges which both sides have accused each other of violating that treaty and as you mentioned also a possible ban on placing weapons in space. again, what is striking about this, wolf, is that these are very typical topics to be discussed between the u.s. president, between the russian president. but we have heard the russian foreign ministry coming out with a blistering critique of politico saying it seems about once a month there is a leak from the american side. what kind of interference in the american elections from russia can there be if in the united states even the content of presidential talks cannot be kept secret. harsh words there, wolf. >> very interesting indeed. clarissa ward in london, thanks very much. other news, any minute now republican congressman chris collins will be in a new york federal courtroom just hours after being arrested and charged with insider trading. we'll go there live.
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she writes. they all told me president trump hadn't just dropped a single n word bomb but said it throughout the show's taping during outtakes particularly during the first season of "the apprentice." i would look like the biggest m imi imbecile for working for a man like that. >> start with you. talking about omarosa and debate our glad or sad we are talking about this, this saturday morning. how does this change the picture we have of president trump? talking about existence of these tapes, hearing that word. getting audio of it. how would that affect your understanding of this president? >> all we know is confirm what we already know. she's essentially confirming his private conduct matches his
what happened charlottesville was appalling. this is still an opportunity for the president to turn it around to turn to his speech writers and say, write a speech for me. >> who is it going to be? stephen mill jer? >> and to hire new speech writers. he could -- he could be doing -- >> make an attempt. >> he cannot unfortunately, because it goes to the heart of the person he has been for the first 70 years of his life, and those of us especially on the conservative side oh opposed him in 2016 and continue to do so now had a clear principle. someone who's been the man he is for 70 years, very hard to change that. >> and the administration these built. it's not just about the words he says, it's about the things he does. about hiring people like jeff sessions even though coretta scott king came back from the grave to tell us that was not the right choice. we know over and over again he is making policy decisions that right now in this very moment
are putting people in harm's way. there are people and immigrants in this country who did not know what they're future holds. people jailed for unjust reasons. every single day when he does not xwlaujust what he says puts people in danger and he's built a team supporting that. we should be making sure we're putting our energy and moving that administration aside and making the progress all american people need. >> talk about the ramifications of that. alluding to it earlier. laura ingraham, fox news host said extraordinary things last week. what she had to say about the demographics of the united states and what people have, how they've interpreted what she said after that. >> some parts of the country, it does seem like the america that we know and love doesn't exist anymore. massive demographic changes have been hoisted upon the american people.
and they're change has none of us ever voted for and most don't like. from virginia to california, we see stark examples of how radically in some ways the country has changed. now, much of this is related to both illegal and in some cases legal immigration that, of course, progressives love. >> double down on that the next night. i want to get you to react. talking how in the wake of charlottesville he talked about their being two sides. this country is split. it's been bifurcated. what do you hear when you hear laura ingraham? >> my own nauseation. my mother who came to this country with $7 and her mother low-skilled, by the way. i also hear someone who doesn't represent what conservatives used to stand up for. you know, this is an underpopulated country, the united states. maybe you've flown from here to l.a. look out the window.
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talking point. okay? this is also a conservative talking point, and shows how far the republican party has fallen under the kind of trump-ingraham-sean hannity platform. >> doesn't speak for most conservatives. has an audience. many hear her on her tv show as well. situate that bait fse for me. listening to laura ingraham where do they fall? >> they're trump supporters. anybody who pushed charlottesville is still a trump supporter agrees with what laura ingraham said because we're left with the people who actually do hold that racial resentment and think that what she's talking about in terms of demographics is talking about race. right? so i agree with you that it's populist and nativism but also just say it's racist. right? we have to call it out and name it in this moment, because this is one of the most precarious moments in american history. we have literal nazis in the
therefore can't be real americans. >> this always fascinates me. people who identify at white have any opinion about immigration whatsoever. i'm pretty sure indigenous people in this country find them to be the immigrants saying who are you to set the rules for who's living in my country? unless laura ingraham can tell me what tribe she's from or african nation she was involuntarily brought here from she shouldn't have an opinion on this subject. the other thing to recognize historically whiteness was invented in this country to capture european immigrants and give them a safety net. we know when irish people first came they were not accepted but could asimmenate into whiteness. that power struggle provides some benefit and other detriment. we know certain immigrants coming from certain places do not get that same protection. and this game laura ingraham is playing is patently racist and one in which she invalidates the claims of racism.
said what she said, a dog whistle. >> bull horn. >> coded language. a very loud dog whistle, coded language and then said, i wasn't talking about race. i was talking about safety. right? another dog whistle. but because she then places her to be the victim who is being misconstrued somehow, she invalidates all of the ways in which every single day people are dealing with racism and pretends she's tired of talking about it. >> more on the cacophony of those whistles blowing loudly and whether or not you plan to read the book, am roomarosa wil on nbc's "meet the press" tomorrow with chuck todd. up next, talking robert mueller and the manhattan madam. what did kristin davis reveal in her testimony before the grand jury yesterday. we'll be right back. alice is living with metastatic breast cancer, which is breast cancer that has spread
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comply with the grand jury and testify on september 7th. adding to the table, host of the gist podcast from slate. joinings discussion from d.c., a former federal prosecutor. start wit lawyeh the lawyer thi saturday. start with andrew miller. what does that tell you? the fact he's refused to testify about the seriousness of the allegations or what roger stone might face? >> good morning, david. what it tells me is that first of all the investigative circle continues to constrict around roger stone and if mr. miller's attorneys can be credited, they are saying that the reason that he's refusing to testify is because they're looking for a vehicle to kind of bubble up the issue to the appellate court. what issue is that? the issue of the legitimacy of the mueller investigation. now, i would say from my perspective, this seems to be pretty futile, because multiple
judges have already determined that the investigation is appropriate. the appointment of mr. mueller by deputy attorney general rod rosenstein was lawful, done in accordance with rules, procedures and policies of the department of justice. this seems to about futile effort, maybe an attempt to delay but i think we're going to see that gentleman having to comply with that grand jury subpoena. >> if i could ask a question. mueller handed off parts of this investigation to others and also kept parts for himself, like manafort. what do you read into the fact he's riding herd specifically on the roger stone prosecution? >> tells me roger stone is intimately related to the russia investigation and any potential contact between the trump campaign and the russians. bob mueller is obviously taking his jurisdictional mandate very seriously. as you say, he is passing things off when appropriate, but is
retaining investigative jurisdiction over those things that may relate to the issue of collusion/conspiracy. so i think based on everything we've seen concerning roger stone, it makes perfect sense that mule zeller is retaining jurisdiction over that piece of the investigation. >> a lot happening. president trump's personal attorneys going back and forth with special counsel mueller and team about prospects of an interview with the president of the united states. rudy giuliani described the president champing at the bit to sit down with robert mueller, runs in contrast with what we've heard from his counsel. >> are you going to talk to mueller? >> i'm looking forward to it, actually. >> do you have a date set? >> there's no collusion whatsoever. there's no obstruction whatsoever and i'm looking forward to it. >> we're going to be the laughingstock of lawyers if we let him testify. >> i would say this. if i could be -- i would love to
speak. i would love to. nobody wants to speak more than me. >> because of them we don't want him to testify because they're not fair. >> i've always wanted to do an interview, because -- look, there's been no collusion. there's been no talk of russia. >> you couldn't put a lawyer on the show who wants it keep his law license to tell you he should testify. >> you're his attorney. go in, talk to robert mueller, tell the truth. >> i wouldn't be an attorney. living in an inreal fanc fantas world. >> would you willing to give your testimony? >> 100%. >> turning to you as we look into this fantasy world here. these two lawyers have been extremely busy filling in on radio shows, being guests of one another on one of their radio shows. presumably spend some time talking to the president of the united states. what is the -- not just apparent but evident disconnect between these lawyers and their client telling you about the way this is proceeding? >> reminded me in high school.
we're going to fight, beat that person up. talk trash before the fight actually takes place outside. that's what's going on here. the president is sort of beating his chest and sticking it out saying i'm ready for bob mueller i'm take on that fight but he's not going to testify. this is essentially spin on the part of jay sekulow and rudy giuliani to essentially set it up to pull out of whatever interview may be arise through subpoena or request to the president. i think this is spin for media, for us to discuss. going back to roger stone. >> sure, go ahead. >> a moment. he's at the center of the collusion story. we often skip over him and talk about others like manafort and rick gates. understandably so, but russia had multiple entry points into the trump campaign and one of them was roger stone. the only person among this group of other associates now, the ones that have pled guilty or are facing indictments, he's the only one we've seen his messages
with guccifer 2.0 and know he was communicating with the carve-out of russian intelligence leaking e-mails through the campaign. i think we're going to see even more evidence come out and when the special counsel, interviewing everybody who knows you, that's a bad sign. >> not a good one. stick with the school yard analogy. i suppose twitter is the mechanism you can make those threats. saw it in fine focus this week. you had the president insulting lebron james on twitter, insulting don lemon as well. a few hours later hopping on a plane going to ohio and his tone changes entirely. >> the bully operates like that. a lot of talking, not ready to talk the talk. they like to come up against people you really don't want to fight. you don't actually want to fight with maxine waters or lebron james. trust me. here we are, all you have is your mouth. all you have the chance to run your mouth because the substance isn't there.
we know that because of the probable cause that led to his number of indictments. we know that because the other shoe keeps dropping then the other shoe keeps dropping and the other shoe keeps dropping. clearly, there's a there there and you want to distract and have that conversation. what real people are saying at barber shops, beauty shops around kitchen tables, i'm not going to read all the details of this stuff. just tell me when it's over. tell me when we can impeach him and which social media platforms not to trust with my -- >> is there a danger? that level dangerous as this plays out? that may or may not happen. the odds are probably will not. >> yeah. >> happen at least in the next couple years? >> it can be dangerous but we have understand what it's rooted in. we already talked in the last segment all of the ills and dangers people are dealing with under this administration. be clear. those ills are not new because of this administration. they are, hover, exacerbated because of this administration. people say is my factory job
going to be there in six months? will this house be complex actually support me in the ways i need? those are questions people are dealing with. they don't have time. they know i've been lied to and don't want to be lied to again. >> brittany is putting her finger on something important and essential to the president's strategy. essentially, create like a fog machine. >> right. >> onstage. i mean, it's incredibly difficult even for those in the news business to follow day by day, hour by hour every single twist in the mueller investigation. what's appropriate? what's not? what's a fisa court? how were warrants obtained. all of this is meant to essentially create a kind of black hole in people's minds so they say, i don't really care. this is just washington talking. what i care about -- >> no collusion. >> -- no collusion. a term we should never use. all use the term conspiracy. the legal -- and there is
conspiracy, the legal term of art. but that's essentially what they prey on. and it goes back to nixon. look, nixon's fate would probably have been different if there hadn't been an oil crisis in 1973. if the economy had been strong and growing, in his second term it would have been a different story. i think that's what trump is banking on now. if the economy continues to do relatively well people will tune out and say, this is washington and television talking. i don't want to hear about it. >> quickly, you have fog lights on. >> that is his strategy to -- i don't go to too many barber shops but his strategy. doesn't mean it's a good strategy. yeah, in the polls i want the investigation to end, it's ticking up. but doesn't matter for mueller. what matters the actual indictments and facts. i guess it's the only cards to play to create this me asth as
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i do think there's blame, yes. i think there's blame on both sides. you look at both sides. i think there's blame on both sides, and i have no doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it either. and -- and -- and if you reported it accurately you would say. >> president trump there after what happened in charlottesville a year ago. i teased the president tweeted about charlottesville. a wonderful moment everybody picked up their phone. here it is. we must come together as a nation. i condemn all acts of race inch and acts of violence. peace to all americans. i see this and think back to 2008. barack obama a candidate goes to philadelphia, delivers a speech called "a more perfect union"
heralded one of his best speeches given on the subject of race, digging into it. fair to say taking more than 280 characters to do it. >> yes. >> last hour we talked about what the president might do. brett, you mentioned the president has an opportunity to address what happened in charlottesville. to you first. how close to doing that is this one tweet from the president on this saturday morning? >> not close at all. especially when the rest of your timeline is talking about a north korean's leader's height and basketball. only committing 280 characters or something that should not take more words but take more action. my response to that tweet is, prove it. prove to me you are a president for all americans. prove to me that you stand against racism and all of its forms. prove to me by letting somebody like jeff sessions go. prove to me by ending family separation and reuniting these families. prove that to me by making sure
heather heyer, michael brown, are no longer names to hashtag. prove it to me and i won't have anything to say about my tweets. the problem is we're never going to see that prove. >> proposing a wholesale re-invention? >> it's not going to happen for reasons mentioned earlier in the show. this is a character whose views are informed and consistent for many years. >> you said he still had the opportunity to -- >> there is an opportunity. i'm not ruling it out completely. saying it's extremely -- >> being an eternal optimist? >> well, no. look, you have to say, he is the president of the united states. there is a chance, and we ought to urge him to do it, not to have a tweet, but to deliver a speech to rethink the attitudes of his justice department, to rethink his choice of an attorney general. to systematically go through what his administration is doing and change that. odds of that happening are somewhat as likely as the space
force getting -- >> putting that in there. >> approval for the space force, or mexico to pay for the wall, for that matter. but it's important to urge him to do this. i suspect that tweet may have come from just listening to this show as he watches, preambulates through television all the time. unfortunately as someone mentioned, this is a history that goes back more than 40 years to discrimination, to new york housing, to the case of the central park five, to the birtherism in 2011, to the slurs against judge coryell in 2016, to the outrage playing footsie with the david dukes of the world, alt right and slurs against the gold star family, that same year. on and on and on. of course, culminating in charlottesville. yes, difficult, but saying he still should do it. >> and listed a long catalog of offenses? >> it goes beyond that.
you know for donald trump racism is not a character flaw. it's an electoral strategy. he needs it. he is not the president without racism. a book was written where they looked at the racial animus of voters, trump did so much better than any other candidate to the extent people who expressed racial animus were much more likely to vote for barack obama than they were to vote against donald trump. he needs the racial animus and the point is that it's working. it's working for him. in fact, it's all he has. >> yes. >> because he's not delivering any material improvement to the lives of the people who voted for him. and the proof that it's working is not just everything that you've said. it's that we always say things like, what if -- donald trump, for all the mish agauss of his administration so far, had his katrina, his war in iraq? the fact is he already has. the hurricane in puerto rico and
1,400 people died and we don't even talk about that. what the non-educated white voter who voted for donald trump once, since he's not getting jobs back and not getting anything materially he at least wants not to be reminded of racism, and it worked, because no one talks about what should be a massive conversation about how america turned its back on puerto rico. since no one talks about that, since donald trump effectively has taken it off the table with all the other stuff he's done, he at least is comforting the racists in america and what he needs to do to get re-elected. >> very quickly. >> the other piece, again, about the team he's built. when i look at somebody like betsy devos, essentially leveled the civil rights department in the department of education, we know what your intentions are beyond your tweet. i don't care what you say, much more i care wa you do. you've prove's time and time and time again exactly what you plan on doing and what your team is going to do. >> back in a moment. tomorrow on that one-year mark
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welcome back. the magic number for democrats this midterm is 23. that is the number of seats they need to flip to reclaim the house of representatives, but after tuesday's nail biter nail seeing signs of a potential wave. more than 50 democratic candidates now would oppose nancy pelosi as house speaker. i want to bring in my panel and joining us from washington, stephen shepherd, politico's campaigns and elections editor. start with something i read in the "national review." commenting on the fact president trump is taking credit for what happened on tuesday night. that his presence there before that election made it a success for republicans. the "national review" whistling past the graveyard. what's your sense what that electoral result on tuesday says about the mid2erterms? >> you can look at a difference
of 1,600 votes and point to any small factor and the president certainly eager to take credit for the victory. the fact remains, this is a district he won by 11 percentage points in 2016. a district represented by republicans for 35 years including john kasich and the most recent congressman pat tiberi. even a one-point victory is who close to call as a final result, i'm not sure how to spin that as a. >> result for republicans when it comes to all 435 seats up for election in november. >> steve, your sense of the role president trump is going to play? a piece in axios this week how the president and his team is working with the republican national committee, with other republican groups to scene where the president might go, where his daughter and senior adviser might go in place of him. how does this change the campaigning strategy for this president for republicans more generally? >> i think there's a number of districts that are up for grabs this cycle. some are suburban distribution, traditionally represented by
republicans, but where donald trump struggled compared to previous republican candidates in 2016. the voters there are more educated. that may be places where he wants to stay out. also, though, there are ten senate democrats running for re-election in states that donald trump won in 2016, including five he carried by double digits. west virginia, montana, indiana, missouri, north dakota. those are place where is he could potentially be useful on the trail and if he and the white house are smart, where you'll see him more than campaigning in some of these districts where congressional districts, where he's not as popular. >> stephen shepherd, thank you for joining us from politico. i'm going to go around the table. mentioned a moment ago controversy about if democrats were to get control of the house again, if nancy pelosi would be house speaker again. of course, democratic candidate in the 12th and congressional district in ohio said he would not support nancy pelosi. one-word answers. do you think did democrats get the house back she'll be the house speaker?
>> one word? >> oh, my gosh. >> a pause -- >> one word? yes. >> shouldn't. >> oh. >> that's good. >> a contraction. >> hopefully. >> shan't. >> shan't! >> the gentleman used contractions, and cheating in that game. up next, president trump, will he sit face-to-face with special counsel robert mueller? new information that may help us with the answer to that question. with his tendency to cheat on facts no wonder trump's lawyering don't want him to sit down for an interview with special counsel robert mueller. folks on fox agree. >> how in the world could he ever cooperate and sit down for mueller in an interview knowing you tell one lie to bob mueller he will move to file charges? >> sounds crazy. but hear me out. he could not lie. on to survive alzheimer's disease is out there. and the alzheimer's association is going to make it happen
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instead mate a counteroffer with the last best chance robert mueller to secure the president's testimony. bring wack a federal prosecutor. indulge me. the president i i. and president trump did have to sit down and answer questions from lawyers. let's take a listen to how that went. >> we obviously have credibility because i now as it turning out became the republican nominee. people said there's never been anything like this. o'reilly said the other night something to the effect this is one of great phenomenas he's ever seen in his lifetime. >> you're personally involved in everything that your name represents. what does that mean? i'm very much involved in the details. i've always been involved in the design of the building and the room sizes ask entrances. i believe my son don worked on it for the most part.
i haven't been involved in it almost at all. the lobby and the marble and the bathrooms and the fixtures. >> i wasn't too much involved in it. it was mostly my son and daughter. >> the bars and a lot of things. >> did you have any understanding about the key business points in the lease negotiations. >> no i didn't. >> did they tell you how they were going, was there any issue. >> no, just we have a deal. >> just we have a deal. >> we have a deal. >> they said we signed the lease, we have deal. >> glen, good to have you with us here. you have the president one imagine there with the tape measure on his 2508 belt on the hands and knees measuring size of king room. then he said i wasn't involved. talks about prospects of being a purgery trap. i can understand some of the trepidation the counsel's might have. >> first of all, mueller and the
team will be studying that deposition and any other deposition and recorded statement that the president has made, but can i just unpack the loaded term perjury trap for a moment. >> please. >> we hear, it's one of mr. giuliani's favorite refrains he won't sit down because mr. mueller has set a perjury trap. let's assume mr. mueller is trying to determine whether i had a cup of coffee onset today. he interviews the camera man. he interferes the gentleman who mic'd me up. interviews the makeup artist who did her best to make me camera ready this kmormorning and he h pretty good picture of the evidence supporting the notion that i had a cup of koof coffee morning. he then invites me in for an interview. i said i did not have a cup of coffee this morning. mr. giuliani would call that a perjury trap. let's work with that loaded term. if it's a perjury trap, doesn't take houdini to escape from it. all you have to do is tell the truth. i would suggest every time mr.
giuliani says that mr. mueller is setting a perjury trap for the president, the american people should hear that as the president is either unwilling or incapable of coming in and telling the truth. >> got to get a forensic expert to test what is in my cup. want to get you to react to this back and forth. this is something that's been promulgated by the president's lawyers mostly. we've heard little about the team and whole process, what does that say to you about the importance of this interview. >> it's that mueller doesn't leak and the president's team scrambles. they have a problem, several problems, and it's not that president trump lies or habitually lies. there have been am demmic text on the divs fference of lying a bs. he doesn't know the difference
between truth and lies. no chance he's not going to say, there's no chance he will do a deposition without saying loads of things that are untruthful. the irony is the way for him to explain away the public statements that he made, that would seem to indicate obstruction of justice, like i fired comey because of the investigation. the only way out is to indicate in the past he was bsing. that would put you in a perjury trap or a position to purger. >> i look at the tweet president said about charlottesville. what we talked about the president having an opportunity to talk about unifying the country. let's talk about his aversion to apologizing or recognizing what's wrong or what he might have done wrong in the past. that to me is still one of the hugest hurdles this president faces. a willingness to be intro speckive, first of all. to recognize when he made a mistake and say something.
things are true. let's pretend like all of those things were not started by the last administration. and even if those things are true, mr. trump, as you are tweeting it as it is you are watching the show. recognize there is far more harm you are doing to all of the american people than there is room for in a tweet. actually use the rest of your administration to prove us wrong. >> trump, very quickly. >> the strategy you can't shame the shameless, but you can hoist on. if you testify, we'll wrap up the investigation. >> thanks, i appreciate it. having your fox news moment there. right back after the break. ng so we know how to cover almost anything. even "vengeful vermin." not so cute when they're angry. and we covered it. talk to farmers.
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let's go to geoff bennett joining us live from the white house. geoff, tell us about the president's reaction to omarosa. >> you saw the president during a photo op at his bedminster estate and asked by members of press pool to respond to the bombshell allegations by her new book and you saw his response there was to call her a low life. although we should make clear that she was one of the president's first hires here at the white house. and she had a high-paying and high-profile job following her allegations that the president -- then a private citizen, but he could be heard on tape using the n-word during the making of "the apprentice" and let go from her position at the white house when officials learned that she was close to getting her hands on this tape. she then further alleges that the trump campaign offered her a $15,000 a month contract to stay quiet about her experiences with
the president while she was in the white house. the issue here is that she has a publicity problem and she's calling him a racist and contradicting claims made in her own book. we heard what she said to npr rachel martin saying she heard the president use the word on the tape firsthand and that is not what she wrote about. >> and once i heard it -- >> you heard this tape -- >> i heard this tape. >> you heard the president of the united states. >> i heard the president of the united states use not only the n-word, but as bill pruitt described during that interview, other horrible things, during the production of "the apprentice." >> you don't mention in the book you've heard the tape. is that new. >> it is mentioned in the book. >> that sounds like you just heard his account of the tape. did you actually hear the tape? >> i did.
suggesting he was just venting but again we're seeing how the president is taking steps to further discredit the russia probe and one other point, when the president and his allies and aides say the russia investigation started as a result of the steele dossier, that is not true. we know from doj documents that it started after a trump aide, george poppa lop lus was bragging to an australia diplomat about the offer of dirt on hillary clinton. >> geoff bennett in the white house. thank you. and let's bring in our panel, kevin cirilli and franco ordonees and rachel gray from the intercept and i want to start with the omarosa story and the president calling her a low life. what do you make of that. >> it is interesting that anyone is particularly invested in her account of whether or not donald trump is a racist. i feel like his record on issues relating to the black community is long and pretty clear. the first time he ever appeared
in the new york times was when he was being investigated by nixon justice department for his failure to rent apartments to black people. and whether or not her account is true, doesn't really have any bearing. it seems to me what we know to be the president's antagonistic relationship to people of color. >> kevin, i have to ask, the book is about to be out there. and ammar ossa is out there talking about it and had -- she's had issues with credibility in the past some would there is a credibility issue here today too. >> i'll leave that to viewers. i'm not sure anything new that could be learned from the book. the white house and senior officials are saying it is not true. within the last hour as we just saw on the tape, president trump calling her a low life. the relationship between omarosa and pruch trump dated back to t apprentice and it illustrating
is happening in the past but i think that raises that question of a legitimate question now that she was posed with that offer. that could mean -- that could shed light on some of the questions. but, look, we are hearing little by little dribbles of information come out of this administration. as you point out. people are dropping very rapidly. but this is something that is really going to be -- i think we'll hear more. and i think the tapes that she has from inside of the white house that she's recorded and "the washington post" has heard as those come to light, i think we'll learn more. >> i want to point out for folks watching at home we're look at live pictures coming in of president trump at his golf resort in new jersey meeting with bikers for trump. that is where we heard him speaking a while ago and now posing for pictures here. i want to move on and talk about jeff sessions. we saw the tweet that the president put out about him attacking jeff sessions.
>> thank you. now omarosa is doing the rounds to promote her book. catch her on nbc tomorrow on "meet the press" and then on monday right here on msnbc on "hard ball" at 7:00 p.m. eastern. more questions than answers in a deadly plane crash in washington state. investigators say a horizon air employee was able to steal an empty passenger plane and take off and stay airborne more than an hour before crashing into a island. hans nichols is in the area and joins us now from washington state near where this happened. bring us up to speed. >> reporter: investigators are trying to scour the grounds where this crash happened and figure out what is happening on the ground. at the same time you have airport security and alaska airlines, the parent company trying to figure out what this individual had access to. he was in uniform. he had worked for horizon air which is a subsidiary of alaska for three and a half years and
he had authority with access to the plane. the questions going forward are going to be, about the mental health of the individual. we may find out more about that in the next 24 to 48 hours and what the protocols are at airports at any runway for getting on the runway and taxiing and then taking off. i think there are a lot of questions, what they are saying is they're asking for patience and the ntsb and the fbi saying we shouldn't expect anything too soon. they still have a lot more information to gather. aaron. >> hans nichols in washington state. thank you. still ahead, turn to stone. robert mueller is zeroing in on roger stone's closest associates. could the walls be closing in on the president's long time friend?
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members and how damaging do you think this might be to the justice department? >> you could say that the president couldn't have paid attorney general sessions any higher of a tweet than though say he's missing in action on an investigation where the attorney general is recused and shouldn't be playing any role. to the extent he's missing in action, he's doing his job properly. but i think the more subtle point to your question is the damage that is being done to the justice department when the president rails day in and day out against doj lawyers and the fbi, the damage here is incalculable. and these are agencies protecting the safety of the american people and the president shouldn't do anything to damage that and he insists on doing that over and over again. >> ryan, to joyce's point about the attorney general, what is the president trying to accomplish with these attacks like we saw today in the tweet? >> i think undermining the mueller probe. he wants this to end. it is pretty obvious for a
while. what is interesting, first of all we have to take a step back and realize how unusual this is for the president of the united states to be tweeting about the attorney general and sort of glassing him on twitter. it is very unusual. and i think sometimes it sets in to wake up to another tweet from him but this is unusual situation. but what is also interesting, and sessions is one of the most effective people in the cabinet in implementing trump's agend you and every speech that he gives a speech, you see the praise for trump. that is embedded in the sessions speeches so it is a one-way relationship where sessions is saying here is what we are doing and trump agenda is important and it is great the president is saying this and on the other hand you have the president blasting this guy he tired to this position and one of his long-time supporters. >> and john, your take on this. in the tweet he's talking about the relationship between crist fear steel who offers the dossier responsible for the
russia investigation and the former associate department a.g.ohr and the company that used research against the dnc. why do you make this now. >> going after sessions is deplorable. this cuts right to the core of who we are as a country. we are nothing but a country of laws so to attack the justice department is attacking the very pillar on when ch our society is built. and that is the first point. second point i would make with regard to the dossier and what he's saying about that is -- this is really the big lie that both he and his attorneys are engaging in right now. this investigation did not begin with the dossier. this investigation began with wh a foreign diplomat told the united states, an australian diplomat told the united states that someone associated with trump's campaign, george papadopoulos, you may remember, that that individual had said to
him he had dirt from the russians on hillary clinton and after a month or two, that australian diplomat passed that on and that is what started quite legitimately the fbi counter intelligence investigation which now the president and his attorneys refer to as a corrupt beginning. that is just completely false. so i think, aaron, that is my take on that. it's deplorable to attack the justice department this way and also to imply that this investigation would not be underway were it not for that dossier that the british intelligence officer provided. that is incidental to all of this. >> and there is a lot of elements and angles to this investigation. we know that investigators appear to be closing in on long-term donald trump confidant and the former campaign aide roger stone. this week robert mueller used a subpoena power to question stone's associates kristin davis, best known for running
that manhattan escort service and questioning andrew miller and he is appealing a contempt order for refusing to testify. ryan, why would roger stone be the apparent focus right now? >> shocker, right, that roger stone is involved with shady stuff and that he might come under federal investigation. breaking news for the past few decades. but the situation you have to look at with the aide is that you have a situation where his legal bills -- he's not footing his own legal bill. you have an organization interested in undermining the mueller probe a mueller -- probe and supporting the president and that is way -- that is paying at that and that is to have an attack of the probe on the a broader level. >> the president's lawyers made a full court media press to talk about the special counsel investigation. rudy guiliani and jay sekulow taking over the airwaves on
friday filling in as host of sean hannity's radio show. listen to this. >> i think if i were the attorney general, i would appoint a independent counsel and i would appoint the independent counsel for two purposes. purpose number one, to appropriately prosecute the people who violated these laws. comey clearly leaked a document that he wasn't supposed to leak. >> if you look at the scope and nature of this inquiry, the way it started, the corruption at the outset, it looks like an l illegitimate investigation. >> comey did agree he leaked his unclassified memo. was there corruption at the outset of the investigation. >> no. that is exactly what i was referring to earlier. that isn't the beginning of this investigation. it began as i said with the information from an australian diplomat to the u.s. government.
and i don't know quite how to judge james comey provision of that memo to the press except to say that it wasn't -- was an unclassified memo so it isn't in the category of someone leaking a highly classified piece of intelligence to the press. if you compare it for example to the pressures that -- let's say devin nunes as the chairman of the house intelligence committee, if he compare that to the pressures he has placed on the justice department to release genuinely highly classified documents, i don't think they're in the same league. so i think the priorities, as enunciated by giuliani here are all out of whack. >> joyce, giuliani said it is as simple as tell the truth and there will be no perjury charges when dealing with a high stakes politically charged investigation like this. is it really that easy?
>> it really is that easy. witnesses who have nothing to hide are often very much at ease when they are talking with federal prosecutors. i've sat down with them time and time again. the government seeks information and evidence from witnesses. where folks run into problems when their talking to the fbi is where the truth is damaging to them. although giuliani and sekulow both tried to characterize this as a perjury trap, it really isn't. problem is the core questions that go to the heart of this investigation are questions that this president can't answer honestly, apparently, because if he does he will subject himself to some form of criminal exposure. >> sean mclaughlin, ryan reilly and joyce advance. appreciate your time. thanks. and still ahead, race in america. one year after the deadly alt right rally in charlottesville, that city is on high alert. a live report on the ground, next. ♪
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western democracy. it is called "active measures". >> i have a particular type of mark. they go after someone with business resources, shady morals and political connections or aspirations. i've just described donald trump. >> the crown jewel for any intelligence agency is to recruit an asset inside your adversary intelligence agency. >> they seem to have premonitions of things that would happen that in fact did happen. >> and the question is who helps guide the decisions the russians were making. >> trump tower was a money laundering paradise. >> anybody who was anybody in russian organized crime bought a condo unit at trump tower. >> we have the serious intelligence operation in the home of the man that becomes president of the united states. >> joining me now, the director and writer and producer of the film, jack brian.
so what inspired you to create this film. >> thanks for having me. i think we started in april, late march of 2017. we felt that while a lot of things were being reported on while people were interested in the story, people didn't have an understanding of the overriding operation that happened. it wasn't something that started in 2016. in some cases the operations that were really enacted toward the election were going on for decades beforehand and it was a playbook that the russians had done in other countries. >> now you've said that you expected to find a scandal in making this documentary but you ended up finding something different and something more. >> yeah. well we really discovered russia had been doing this to other countries and beat by beat the exact same playbook and the candidate donald trump was mouth piecing part of that playbook. in the sense of they would accuse -- in georgia and ukraine when georgia had back candidates in those countries, they would say the opposing candidates were
criminals and should be locked up. in fact, one of the frequent refrains that would come out is they accuse a person of -- leading the party they are opposing to of being born in a different -- and they did the same thing in georgia and ukraine and paul manafort was running that campaign in the ukraine. >> so how far back do you go in doing your research and working on this and what stood out to you the most? is there a smoking gun in your research and investigation? >> i think what stands out is how far back shady associations with donald trump and the russian mob and general go. the first clear line of illegality was in 1984 when donald trump sold a russian mobster named david boggaden five condos in trump tower personally and it was the second building in new york designed so shell companies could purchase condominium units and it became a money laundering haven. >> so how do you explain the
president's -- or trump's past relationship with russia and is there still a relationship between the two that you've been able to see from your work? >> yeah, it seems to have grown. i think the big turning point is the period between the early '90s and 2000 when donald trump goes along -- a series of bankruptcies and we get reports that -- that is the period the russian mob said this guy is not getting loans and we could provide capital and it was a way to move money out of russia and into america where the money was safe under a rule of law jurisdiction. >> so does this begin to explain what we've seen as of late with the trump and putin, the interaction between the two. >> i think you can't understand what is going on in the news on a daily basis unless you understand how it started and why and i think this film does -- does do that. it goes back and shows how these men circles became closer and
closer together over the years. and the news becomes pretty predictable once you understand that. >> do you think -- we have the mid-term elections coming up in november. do you think this film will have an impact on the midterms. >> i hope it has an impact in the sense of people understand when they are getting information, why that information is there. they begin to be able to identify fake news that is being currently pushed by russia and going after this election and if we don't know what to look for we can't protect ourselves. so having an impact of people being informed and knowing when they are taken advantage of and then fools, yeah. >> definitely an opportunity to learn some things. we appreciate your time. >> and active measures comes out on august 31st. we'll be right back. now i'm doing more to lower my a1c. i take tresiba® once a day. tresiba® controls blood sugar for 24 hours for powerful a1c reduction.
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washington, d.c. a counter-protest is also scheduled. today president trump tweeted this, the riots in charlottesville a year ago resulted in senseless death and division and we must come together as a nation. i condemn all types of racism and acts of violence. peace to all americans. nbc news cal perry joins us live from charlottesville. good afternoon. >> reporter: good afternoon to you. you could hear that police helicopter overhead. it has been overhead all day. you could see the outer cordon of the check point behind me, a thousand police officers in a very small part of charlottesville, unprecedented and the state of emergency we've been talking about all day. here is what it looks like if practice. the check points are how people get into the downtown mall area. you have to cross through one of the two check points. the list of banned items is pretty absurd in not only its length but the items you are not allowed to bring. no hairspray.
but people here in town are noting that you can bring your gun. that open carry laws here in virginia still protect that right, even under a state of emergency. by way of reporting, it is important to note when we talk to people all day, the folks that are behind me enjoying a late lunch and early dinner, people here have been dealing with this every day. they think about this all of the time. this conversation about not only race in america but the violence that happened. and it is something that this town has not healed from. when you talk to people here, they talk about that statue of robert e. lee still standing and causing that debate. these continued rallies by the alt right movement and they applied for permits to rally tomorrow and they were denied those permits. and so a lot of people in this town and across virginia and the country are focused on washington, d.c. and what could happen there tomorrow. >> cal perry in charlottesville, virginia. thank you. joining me now on the foeb is derek johnson. he's the president and ceo of the naacp. i appreciate you making time
today. >> good to be on. thank you. >> i do want to start in washington, d.c. i want to ask you, what have we learned in the year since charlottesville? >> well unfortunately we've learned this administration is completely tone deaf to race in america. the level of xenophobia and tolerance of -- have increased and unfortunately this will continue until voters across the country make their voices loud and clear and in november during the mid-term elections to recalibrate where we are in this political landscape. >> i want to play something and get your analysis of something the president said. the situation in charlottesville that day was inflamed by comments that saturday afternoon from president trump. listen to this. >> we're closely following the terrible events unfolding in charlottesville, virginia. we condemn in the strongest
possible terms this egregious display of hatred, bigotry and violence on many sides. on many sides. >> what was it about that "many sides" comment thattin fury ated so many americans. >> the president created a false equivalency. you had one group who was obviously demonstrating and expressing their racial hatred toward several communities in this country and you had another group who simply said that level of racial hatred is not acceptable. and so there was no -- there was not many sides. there was only one side of racial hatred. and unfortunately this president has been tone deaf to truly appreciate the pain that his comments and the the tone he set in this country created. >> we've been looking at information from an updated report from the southern poverty
law center and found that since charlottesville 113 confederate symbols have been renamed or removed but still more than 1700 monuments in public places around this country. some people would argue that these symbols celebrate brave men who are a part of american history. but how do you view these monuments impact on our society in the current day? >> unfortunately, any time a group of individuals take up arms against our nation those individuals are seen as traitors. we're talking about vide-- we'r about those who took up arms against the nation. that is a history we should not celebrate. obviously we should learn from it but not celebrate. and if i had anything to do with all of the symbols of individuals who traded and -- against this nation and took up arms should be removed and as we -- we should learn from history but that is an example of what we should learn and what
not to do in the future. >> now you did an interview with politico where you referred to president trump as racist and also told politico that the naacp has repeatedly invited candidate trump and president trump to address the members and declined to do that and your organization has met with every u.s. president since harry truman in 1947. what reason has the president given for declining your invitations. >> simply unavailable. we have not received any other explanation but unavailable but it is not just naacp. this is a president -- never to my knowledge accepted an invitation of an -- a traditional african-american organization, religious or secular to address that body. i have a strong suspicion he is in fear of being questioned about his true beliefs concerning race in america and the role of his presidency in furthering a nation that is more
tolerant or continuing a tone off offin -- of intolerance. >> so what would the president need to do to redeem himself. is there some action the white house could take or what can they do, is there anything they could do to change their -- the perception of the white house and this president on this issue? >> well it is not a perception. it is a reality. and so if this white house would like to change the statements -- that they've made, the policies that they have advanced, the appointments they pursue all of which are reality, these are not perceptions, there is time to be more inclusive in the nominee they put forth. be more sensitive in the statements i've made and pursue public policies that advance the cause of equality of law citizens.
>> naacp president and ceo derek johnson. we appreciate your time today. >> thank you. >> and sunday on the one year anniversary of the deadly clash between white nationalists and protesters in charlottesville, msnbc shares the story of a former white supremacist who dedicated his life to reforming others. you could watch "breaking hate" sunday at 9:00 p.m. eastern on msnbc. managing blood sugar is not a marathon. it's a series of smart choices. and when you replace one meal or snack a day with glucerna
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congressman chris collins is suspending his re-election campaign following charges this week of insider trading. the three term congressman said this morning that he will remain in office until the end of his term in order to's agenda. he was the first member of congress to endorse donald trump in 2016. on wednesday he was arrested for multiple counts of securities fraud and wire fraud and lying to investigators. the congressman has pleaded not guilty and says he will continue to fight the meritless charges against him. joining me now, adrian elrod and shermichael singleton. is this a blow for the gop or
was there pressure already for him to suspend the campaign? >> there was definitely pressure. when he gave that press conference a day or two ago, the expectation at that time was that he was going to say you know what, i'm not going to run for re-election, i won't allow for someone else to take this seat, i don't want to be an embarrassment. and he did not do so. so after that many from my understanding within leadership said you have to get out of here, we're already facing a lot of hurdles come on november. this is the last thing we need is a corrupt member of congress running for re-election so that democrats can utilize that in other places. >> and the state board of elections in new york says that it is too late for collins to be able to withdraw really his name from the ballot here. does this help or hurt his democratic challenger? >> well, i think it is left to be seen. the real question here is if his name is on the ballot do republicans try to run a very aggressive write-in campaign. even so that puts the republican
whoever they choose to write-in at a huge disadvantage because it is just very hard to run write-in campaigns. but overall, in still hurts the republican party. whether or not he stays in office or he resigns or is on the ballot or not, it the type of culture of corruption that all voters, democrat or republican regardless of party affiliation can't stand when they feel like the system is rigged against them. and rigged in favor of those who are serving in public office. so the damage has already been done. and this is again another blow to republicans as they go into the midterms. >> and i'll ask you too about this challenger nate mcmurray. he is one of 51 democrats against electing nancy pelosi as the house speaker if democrats should take control. what are her chances of becoming speaker again if there is a blue wave in this midterm? >> bottom line is if nancy pelosi runs for speaker again, this is her race to lose.
we saw this happen a lot in 2006. especially those running in red districts. brad elsworth to name one. some ended up supporting her. she won by an yeoverwhelming support in 2007. so it is her race to lose. but i do hope that the democratic party no matter who the speaker is allows some of this newer generation of fresh faces to come in and have some real leadership because that is how we're going to rebuild our party and help lift up some new faces. >> and let's talk about bernie sanders. there are several candidates who he endorsed who failed on tuesday. politico writes that bernie and his army are losing 2018. do republicans benefit from sanders backed candidates losing or would they rather have them win this hopes of a fractured democratic party? >> no, i think it certain
benefits the party. going back to iowa, practically every candidate senator sanders endorsed have endied loeed lost. he looks to run for relocation. so it shows a messaging and organizational problem. many republicans try to figure out who may go against donald trump in 2020, we are hoping that it is someone like sanders because i think his message does not resonate with many americans as we have already seen in many races. >> and there is an increasing number of republicans who are calling for members of their own party to vote democrat in the house come november. former president george w. bush's speechwriter wrote this, if democrats gain control of the house but not the senate, they will be a check on the president without becoming a threat to his best policies. the tax cut will stand. the senate will still approve
tariff judges, but the house will conduct real oversight hearings and expose both russian influence and administration corruption. what do you make of that? >> well, i thought it was a really interesting piece for a number of reasons. but you know, look, ultimately republicans can gets a creative as they want to here, but we have a blue wave coming in the house. democrats will take over the house in november. actually i think that democrats have a real chance of taking back the senate. and many republicans have been out there saying, of course democrats as well, but many republicans are saying we have to have some sort of balance in either thouse or the nat in ordr to clean up some of the corruption scandals and move the country forward. so again, i think that is what a lot of the american people population think as well. and that is again why you will see a blue wave come november. >> and what is your not? you are nodding. >> i agree 100%. there has to be a check on the
executive. that is the way the founding fathers intended things to be. but as it relates to the republican party, i think that it is most certainly dead. this is now the party of donald trump. he has defined what it means to be a republican, conservatism as defined by folks like bill chris c krystle and george will. >> all right. we'll leave it there. thank you both. we should note that we'll be joined by congressman collins' opponent nate mcmurray in our next hour. now, still ahead, a new low. omarosa says there is a recording of the president using the "n" word several times. wait until you hear how president trump is responding. plus new information from seattle about the airline employee who stole a plane and crashed it moments after being pursued by fighter jets. hawaii is in the middle of the pacific ocean. we're the most isolated population on the planet. ♪
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department that essentially says the president is above the director. therefore, the president is not subject to the jurisdiction of the director. therefore, it doesn't meet the definition of urgent concern. therefore, the inspector general is done. the inspector general can't investigate anymore. that's the inspector general's reading of the public opinion, that he is no longer allowed to investigate this. is that your reading as well? >> not necessarily the president, but the allegation has to relate to the funding and operation ability with the director of national intelligence. >> i'm trying to get to whether the president is somehow beyond the reach of the law. >> no, sir. no person in this country is beyond the reach of the law. >> that's the way it should be, but i'm trying to figure out whether that's the way it is as a practical fact. the inspector general believes that based upon the opinion that
you requested of the department of justice, he is no longer allowed to look into this because it doesn't meet the definition of an urgent concern because it involves the president. is that your understanding of the department opinion as well, that the inspector general no longer has jurisdiction to look into this? >> it is my understanding that both the inspector general and i and my team are waiting for -- we were waiting for the resolution of executive privilege to be determined. it is now no longer executive privilege. i'm not sure exactly what the statute has as far as what michael can do, but we also are looking for a way -- if i did not send it forward, as you know, as an urgent concern within seven days, then the whistleblower would be allowed to come forward and be
protected. >> my point is this. the department of justice has said because this doesn't meet the statutory definition, because this involves the president, the inspector general has no jurisdiction to investigate. now, if this inspector general has no jurisdiction to investigate because the president is above the agency, no inspector general has jurisdiction to investigate. that's the -- that is the effect of that opinion. do you disagree? >> i believe that the opinion was based on the reading of the statute and whether or not the situation here is compliant and comes underneath the statute. the office of legal counsel opinion was that based on the criteria you're required to have in order to support this legal statute, it does not. it also said that because of that, it is not a matter of the
intelligence community. but once again, however, you may go forward, and i have. >> that's the key issue, director. because it involves the president, it does not involve the intelligence community. that is the sum and substance. and the effect of that is the inspector general has told us that he no longer has jurisdiction to investigate. and by the logic of that opinion, nor does any other inspector general. now, as you point out, this was referred to the justice department, it was referred to the fbi and justice department. that department under bill barr and with breathtaking speed decided there is nothing to see here. it decided that we don't believe that this constitutes a violation of the campaign finance laws, and therefore, we're not authorizing an investigation. the fbi is not authorized to investigate any of this. any of this.
so the igs can't do it, according to the department of justice. the fbi can't do it because it doesn't meet their threshold that makes it worthy of investigation. so at this point, this committee and this congress is in a position to investigate. and i want to ask you, going to the whistleblower complaint, whether you believe these allegations are worthy investigation. the whistleblower says, i have received information from multiple u.s. government officials that the president of the united states is using the power of his office to solicit interference from a foreign country in the 2020 u.s. election. you would agree that should be investigated, would you not? >> chairman, the horse has left the barn. you have all of the information. you have the whistleblower complaint, you have the letter from the icig, you have the office of legal counsel opinion, and you have the transcript of the phone call. i'm confident dthere is going t
be an investigation. >> you agree there should be an investigation? >> i believe it is a matter to be determined by the chair and this committee. >> i'm asking you as a career military officer, someone who i greatly respect and i admire your service to the country. do you believe that there is a credible admission by the whistleblower that the president of the united states is using his power to solicit foreign interference in the 2020 election, do you believe that should be investigated? >> i don't believe confidence corroborated by other folks. the whistleblower said he spoke or she spoke to about a dozen other people. this is secondhand information. i'm not criticizing the whistleblower. >> but the inspector general took those two weeks, as you well told us, to corroborate that information. we don't know which, if any, of these officials the inspector
general spoke to, and found it credible. and you've told us that you have no reason to believe otherwise. am i right? >> i had no reason to doubt a career inspector general lawyer in his determination on whether or not it was credible. that is something for michael to determine. >> let me ask you this. the whistleblower also says, over the past four months, more than half a dozen u.s. officials informed me of various facts related to this effort to seek foreign interference. you would agree we should speak to those half a dozen u.s. officials, would you not? >> i think you have all the material that the committee needs, and i think it's up to the committee how they think they need to proceed. >> i'm asking your opinion as the head of our intelligence agencies. do you think we should talk to those other people and find out whether the whistleblower was right? >> my responsibility was to get you the whistleblower letter and the complaint and other information released. i have done my responsibility. that is on the shoulders of the
legislative branch and this committee -- >> the whistleblower also says, i am also concerned that these actions pose risk to undermining national security and undermine counterinterference to u.s. elections. you would agree if there is a credible authorization along those lines, we should investigate it? >> i agree if there was election interference, the complaint is not about election interference. it was about a classified, confidential, diplomatic conversation -- >> involving election interference sought by the president. that doesn't take it out of the realm of seeking foreign assistance, it makes it all the more pernicious. wouldn't you agree? >> as i said, i don't disagree with the igic's assessment that it was a credible matter. >> the whistleblower further says, namely he, the president, sought to pressure ukranian leader to take action to help the president's 2020 reelection
bid. you would agree that that should be investigated? >> not necessarily, sir. it was investigated by the federal bureau of investigation. >> no, it wasn't. >> it went to -- >> the department of justice concluded that this wouldn't violate the election laws. now, no one can understand how they could reach that conclusion after the two years we've been through, but nonetheless, they didn't authorize the fbi to investigate it. you would agree someone should investigate this, wouldn't you? >> if i didn't, i would not have referred it to the justice department and the fbi. >> then i'm glad we're in agreement. the whistleblower says, they told me that there was already a discussion ongoing with the white house lawyers about how to treat the call because of the likelihood and the officials telling they had witnessed the president abuse his office for personal gain. you would agree that should be investigated, wouldn't you? >> all i know is that's the allegation. >> right, and it's credible, and
therefore, should be investigated, right? >> again, it is hearsay secondhand information. it should come to this committee for further investigation. >> thank you. >> you have the documents. >> i just wanted to confirm that we're in agreement that you think the committee should investigate it. the whistleblower also says donald trump expresses conviction that the new ukranian government will be able to quickly improve ukraine's image and complete the investigation or corruption cases that have held back cooperation between ukraine and the united states. this is the whistleblower citing the ukranian readout. you would agree that if the ukranian readout, when they're talking about corruption cases, is talking about investigating biden and his son, and that that has held back -- the failure to do that has held back cooperation between the two countries, that should be investigated, right? that's a security measure? >> i did not agree that it should be investigated. what i said was i complied with my requirement to send you the
documents. it is up to the chair, the ra g ranking member and these committee members what to do with that information. i am in no position to tell the chair or the committee to do an investigation or not do an investigation. >> okay. i find it remarkable that the director of national intelligence doesn't think credible allegations of someone seeking foreign assistance in a u.s. election should be investigated. let me ask you this. the whistleblower further says, in the days following the phone call, i learned from multiple u.s. officials that senior white house officials had intervened to lockdo down all the records the phone call. do you have any reason to believe that the whistleblower's allegation there is incorrect? >> i have no idea whether it is correct or incorrect, sir. >> someone should find out, though, right? >> excuse me? >> someone should find out if it is correct, shouldn't they? >> i do not know if that is an incorrect allegation. i just do not know. that is the business of the executive branch of the white house and the office of the
white house. >> corruption is not the business, or it shouldn't be, of the white house or anyone in it. >> the white house decides to do with their privileged communication is the business of the white house. >> do you believe that's true even if that communication involves crime or fraud? i'm sure you're aware that there is an exception to any claim of privilege. the privilege can't be used to conceal crime or fraud? >> this is before any crime or fraud that should be referred to the justice department for investigation. as i did. >> the whistleblower further alleges that white house officials told the whistleblower they were directed by white house lawyers to remove the electronic transcript, that is, of the call from the computer system in which such transcripts are typically stored. and instead it was loaded into a separate electronic system that is otherwise used to store and handle classified information of an especially sensitive nature.
one white house official described this act as an abuse of the electronic system. i do not know whether similar measures were taken to restrict access to other records of the call, such as contemporaneous handwritten notes taken by those who listened in. we should find out, shouldn't we? >> chairman schiff, when i received the letter from michael atkinson on the 26th of august, he concurrently sent a letter to the office of white house counsel asking the white house counsel to control and keep any information that pertained to that phone call on the 25th. it was a lengthy letter. michael would be able to address it better but i do believe the icig -- i know that the icig has sent a letter to the white house counsel requesting that they keep all of that information. >> but you would agree that if there is a credible allegation from this credible whistleblower that white house officials were moving these records into a
system that was not designed for that purpose in an effort to cover up essentially potential misconduct. that ought to be looked into. you would agree with that, wouldn't you? >> to the best of my knowledge, when this allegation came forward, this whistleblower complaint, on the 12th of august, i have no idea what the timeline was as far as whether or not the white house, the national security council or anybody involved in that conversation, what they did with the transcripts, where they put them. i just have absolutely no knowledge nor the timeline of that, chairman. it is not something that would be under my authority or responsibility. >> the whistleblower makes a series of allegations involving mr. giuliani, critites a report the "new york times" to pursue investigations that would help the president in his 2020 reelection bid. you would agree that if the president was instructing his
personal lawyer to seek again foreign help in a u.s. election that that would be improper? i believe mueller described such efforts to seek public assistance as unethical, unpatriotic and possibly criminal? would you agree with director mueller that to seek foreign assistance in that way would be unethical, unpatriotic and very possibly a violation of law? >> i believe that mr. giuliani is the president's personal lawyer. and whatever conversation the president has with his personal lawyer i would imagine would be client-attorney privilege. i'm in no position to criticize the president of the united states on how he wants to conduct that, and i have no knowing of what mr. giuliani does or does not do. >> let me ask you about the last couple allegations of the
whistleblower. i learned from u.s. officials that on or around the 14th of may, the president had vice president pence travel to ukraine to attend zelensky's inauguration in may. he made it clear the president did not want to meet mr. zelensky until he saw how he, quote, unquote, acted in office. i don't know who this was translated from and by whom. i also saw that a meeting with the president and mr. zelensky would depend on whether mr. zelensky showed the willingness to play ball. do you know whether mr. pence, vice president pence's trip was
pulled because of an effort to find out first whether ukraine was willing to play ball? >> chairman schiff, no, i do not. i don't have knowledge of any of that until this information came to me from the icig. i have no awareness or knowledge of any of those facts. >> would you agree that if the vice president's trip was canceled in order to put further pressure on ukraine to manufacture dirt on mr. biden that that would be unethical, unpatriotic and potentially a crime? >> i do not know why the vice president of the united states did not do that. i do know what the allegation was within the whistleblower complaint, and i don't know whether that allegation is accurate or not, mr. chairman. >> finally, the whistleblower says, on july 18 an office of management and budget official informed departments and agencies that the president
earlier that month had issued instructions to suspend all u.s. security assistance to ukraine. neither omb or the nfc staff knew why this instruction had been issued. senator mcconnell said the other day that he spoke with the secretary of defense and secretary of state, and he didn't know why the instruction had been given. doesn't that strike you as suspicious, director, that no one on the national security staff, no one in the senior leadership, apparently, of the party here in congress that approved the aid understood why the president was suspending aid? doesn't that strike you as just a little suspicious? >> chairman schiff, i'm just unaware, to be honest with you, how those decisions are made. once again, i have no situation awareness of what happened with the holding of funding. >> as a military man, if this military aid was held from an ally that was fighting off putin's russia, and it was done so to be used as leverage to get dirt in a u.s. political
campaign, don't you think that should be investigated? >> i have no reason to believe -- i do not understand. i have no situation awareness if that was withheld or why it was withheld, mr. chairman. >> well, i can tell you we are going to find out. director, i want to thank you for your attendance today. i want to thank you again for your service. as my colleague underscored, mr. welch, and i fully agree with his sentiment. no one has any question about your devotion to the country. no one has any question about your acting in good faith c. i want to make that very clear. i think you're a good and honorable man. like my colleagues, i don't agree with the decisions you've made. i agree with the inspector general's view of the law, and i'm deeply concerned about the message this has sent to other
whistleblowers about whether this system really works. if the subject of a complaint can stop that complaint from getting to congress, then the most serious complaints may never get here. and i want to thank the whistleblower for their courage. they didn't have to step forward. indeed, we know from the whistleblower complaint there were several others that have knowledge of many of the same events. and i would just say to those several others that have knowledge of those events, i hope that they, too, would show the same kind of courage and patriotism that this whistleblower has shown. we are dependent on people of good faith to step forward when they see evidence of wrongdoing. the system won't work otherwise and i have to say to our friends in ukraine who may be watching just how distressing it is that as their country fights to liberate itself from russian oppressi oppression, as it fights to root out corruption in their own
country that what they would be treated to by the president of the united states would be the highest form of corruption in this country. that the president of the united states would be, instead of a champion of democracy and human rights and the rule of law, would instead be reinforcing a message with the new ukranian president who was elected to root out corruption. instead the message of that president would be, you can use your justice department. just call bill barr. you can use our justice department to manufacture dirt on an opponent, that that's what democracy is. you can use foreign assistance, military assistance, vital assistance as a lever to get another country to do something unethical. the idea that a fellow democracy, struggling democracy, would hear those messages from the president of the united states, i just want to say to the people of ukraine, we
support you in your fight with russia. we support you in your struggle for democracy, we support you in your efforts to root out corruption, and what you are witnessing and what you are seeing in the actions of this president is not democracy. it is the very negation of democracy. this is democracy. what you saw in this committee is democracy, as ugly as it can be, as personal as it can be, as infuriating as it can be. this is democracy. this is democracy. i thank you, director. we are adjourned. >> thank you very much, mr. chairman. welcome to our special coverage. i'm john king in washington. you have been listening to a remarkable hearing with dni joseph mcguire testifying about three hours on capitol hill.
that testimony coming hours after a publication of a whistleblower complaint that raises allegations the president of the united states used his office to pursue foreign dirt for the 2020 election. we have a great group here to discuss it. a lot of process in that hearing, a lot of politics in that hearing. mr. mcguire clearly very uncomfortable when asked to make any judgments, should this be investigated, do you think the president crossed the line. he didn't want to talk about that. what he wanted to say is i received this complaint. i did the best i could in a situation he acknowledged jeffrey tine was unprecedented. a whistleblower complaint not about somebody in the intelligence community, but about the president of the united states. what did we learn? >> well, the issue that the democrats in particular were focusing on is why, when the law says when there is a credible and urgent inspector general's report, when the law says it shall be turned over to the congress, why wasn't it turned over right away? and the disturbing thing that
the democrats found was that the two places that he went for advice, mr. mcguire went for advice were the white house counsel and the department of justice, office of legal counsel. when donald trump, head of the white house, and mr. barr are implicated in this story. so the question was, did he get really good and fair advice? now, there was sort of an air of reality about it because the complaint and the transcript, the partial transcript, have never been turned over. so the fight didn't really have that much juice to it, but that was really what the issue was about. >> to that point, the process argument was why don't you just give it immediately to the committee, and by going to the white house and the justice department, were you helping the people that the democrats believed had every incentive to cover it up. were you given a heads up? the question is what happened with this.
it was a remarkable hearing today, but the whistleblower complaint, if you're at home, suspend your politics and read it, not only did the president seek foreign dirt in the 2020 election and used essentially extortion against the ukranian government. but in some ways, more dangerously, it suggests that people in the white house created a second computer system because they understood how outrageous this was and they were hiding this, covering it up, burying it. the question is, does washington have a process after watching the politics and mistrust play out in that room to deal with the substance of this? >> i think throughout this testimony, joe mcguire repeatedly said that he did not believe that this fellow under his authority as a director of national intelligence. but the point you make, john, absolutely does fall squarely under his purview. what you have here is a case where officials in the white house are taking information that is neither sensitive nor of a classified nature, does not involve national security
issues, and they're moving that information from a system that archives transcripts of these calls, and they're putting it in a compartmented, highly classified, sensitive system that's only used for dealing with information that are of a particularly sensitive nature. that system is being misused by those officials. and what the dni has to understand is that because it's an intelligence community classified system, it falls under his purview, and what he should have did when he saw this is he should have said, what do i need to do about that? >> by the way, those calls, it was not just the call with ukraine, because on the first page of the appendix, the whistleblower says, according to white house officials, plural, thf this was not the first time in the administration that a presidential transcript was placed in this coded system. that means other calls with world leaders were set aside, covered up. who were those other world leaders? that was not a question asked today. do they include, say, vladimir putin, a leader that this
president has already taken extraordinary steps to hide the content of his conversations, you'll recall, the confiscated notes in july of 2017. that to me was a signal that what this whistleblower revealed goes beyond what we even learned. >> let's be clear, this is an allegation. it is a wow. if true, it takes down the president for improper behavior and by authority who would hide things and cover it up. the question is can washington have a process you trust to go through it and air it out? that is the challenge today. i want to go through some of the claims in the whistleblower complaint. the president used his power to solicit interference in the 2020 campaign. that more than half of the officials in the u.s. government can corroborate that. that white house officials were deeply disturbed by the july 25th call with the ukranian president. it says the president's personal attorney essentially has been acting as a private envoy here
that the government was concerned about his contacts with ukraine. he met with ukranian officials months prior to the july 25th call. two state department officials spoke to giuliani to try to contain the damage. and the white house tried to lockdown the records, directed to move transcripts to a special storage system. not the first time, as jim noted, this has happened. concern of abuse of the system. also of concern is whether they pulled the vice presidential trip to send a message to ukraine, with the president saying, you don't get anything from us, including a visit from the vice president, until you agree to play ball. the acting director of intelligence was very clear that he supported the credibility of the whistleblower and the credibility of the inspector general even though he did not want to weigh in on what he believes is the substance of this. what next? >> there is a lot of information in the complaint that now is the basis for the intelligence committees both in the house and the senate to conduct a really serious investigation. they should not be stymied by
allegations of classified information. this complaint was unclassified. there was a very short and abbreviated classified addendum, much of which has already been declassified by the president and released publicly, so classification shouldn't be an issue. the text and summary of the phone call itself on july 25th has been declassified and released by the president. so that is not any longer under any colorable claim of privilege. there is a lot of information in the complaint and in the phone call for the committee now to do the investigation. and so much of what we just heard in the hearing had to do with the process of whether or not the complaint could come to the committee, and we're beyond that already. >> we're beyond that. we have this document now which, again, i don't care whether you're a democrat or republican, independent, maybe you don't care about politics at all. maybe today was a reason to make you not care about politics at all. but yes, the democrats run the intelligence committee on the house side and adam schiff ended by saying, we're going to find
out. the question is for the country at large, especially if you look at the calendar, heading into a reelection year for the president, reelection year for congress. is there any prayer that republicans would read this document and go to democrats and say, why don't we put this in a box for a couple months and let's not just deal with this, not knowing what the last chapter is, and we just investigate whether this is true? >> nancy pelosi wants to go ahead on ukraine and forget everything else, stormy daniels and the rest of it. the question i have on any kind of investigation going forward and how quickly it could be -- and i'm not a lawyer, so i'm going to ask the lawyers here. when the whistleblower said that white house officials told me they were directed by white house lawyers to establish effectively a file 13 here, kind of separate it out, do white house lawyers work for the american public or the president? is there attorney-client privilege they can claim?
>> they are working for the office of the president. >> it doesn't say the white house counsel's office specifically, so i don't know what the answer is. >> we had a very unusual event in the past two days, which is the voluntary release of the inspector general's report and the voluntary release of the partial transcript of the conversation with the president of ukraine. however, if you look at everything else the white house has done since the democrats took the house, they have fought disclosure. this document is a road map to further investigation of the white house. who are the white house lawyers who directed that these transcripts be hidden? who told them to do that? >> right. >> how is the house of representatives going to find that out if the white house refuses to cooperate? i don't know. >> and it shows an admission of guilt if they say on the part of the white house lawyers who felt the need to hide something. >> it depends on who ultimately
gave the instruction. the key allegation here is that everybody at the white house knew that these calls with the president of ukraine were wrong, they were damaging, they were incriminating, so they tried to hide them. that's consciousness of guilt. if it happened, and i question given how the interactions have worked between the house of representatives and the white house, whether the house will be able to get the information to prove or disprove that. >> can i just underscore one thing you just said? we've been watching this hearing, which was not easy to watch. even this document which was very well written and pretty clear has a lot of legalese and names in it we haven't heard. what you just said is really the key. the allegation that not only did the president do something that was untoward, maybe even illegal, that there are people in the white house who saw that, tried to cover it up, a. that's allegation a. and b, the other important
subtext here is that people knew that that was bad, therefore, they were putting phone calls in to people like the whistleblower saying, what is going on? it was a 911 phone call from inside the white house saying, whoa. >> they were enabling. >> and this is why i think the committee was so focused on procedure today. yes, we have this complaint. but the sheer scope of the number of people that are involved, and who knows what's happening with other conversations, records or notes or other context, there could be other whistleblowers. basically as it stands right now, the position of the executive branch would effectively block any of those whistleblowers from even getting past the icig. basically the ig is saying, i understand the position to be that anything the president does is outside of the intelligence community and therefore not within my jurisdiction. >> the thing is, too, beyond the process, get to the substance. the central question of 2016 was did russia interfere in the u.s. election? yes, it did. did the president welcome that,
right, in the mueller report. in this case you have two things that stand out to me. one, the president -- and by the way, mcguire said that the transcript as released by the white house is, in his words, in alignment with the complaint. that's as far as he would go to say, in effect, this is credible, this complaint there. the central thing here is, is the president participating and encouraging such? not just accepting or turning a blind eye or denying, but actively engaging in, and in two ways. one, denying military aid. again, that's the allegation. two, denying meetings, and therefore high-level contacts which is important to the country of ukraine which is being invaded by russia today and people are dying by the thousands. i would also say this because this is also in the complaint. the president still does not believer russia interfered in 2016. in these calls he's pushing ukraine, a conspiracy theory, in effect, that it was really ukraine that did it. that's remarkable two and a half years into the presidency. >> as we try to investigate
this, number one, the democrats in congress say they will go forward. there is a huge question about whether the republicans will give them any assistance except to say there are huge allegations here. it would be pretty easy. a couple hours, have people come in, raise their hand, take an oath. is this true? if you're convinced this is a bipartisan document. that won't happen. democrats say the law required him to immediately turn this over to congress. in trying to defend his congress, he said, i had to deal with the unprecedented issue of, this is the president, was there privilege? i did refer it to the justice department. in the context of bill barr and the mueller report, we saw him put his thumb on the scale in favor of the president. there is new reporting that will raise questions on how this issue was handled in the department of justice. evan? >> the department of justice says this is a closed issue, right? they provided a lot of information yesterday including a briefing of what exactly went
into their legal analysis of this complaint, but we've now seen a new document that was posted online today by the office of legal counsel, and what it shows us is that they limited what they were looking at to essentially what they were asked. and look, that's going to be the explanation from the justice department, is that we only answer the questions that we are asked. so what we see is that the office of legal counsel essentially limited its review of the referral from the inspector general to essentially whether or not this urgent concern met the statute, the existing whistleblower statute. but there is a couple of footnotes in the document that was posted today that shows they also were aware of some of the other allegations from the whistleblower, including the fact that the whistleblower says that there was information showing that the white house or the president was essentially withholding military assistance to ukraine for political purposes and for improper reasons. and then secondly, that they had
decided -- the white house had decided to wall off not only the transcript of this call but perhaps other documents, again, for political reasons, not for a national security concern. those are two things that appear in footnotes in this olc document that's been posted today, which shows that they were at least aware that these were part of the concerns that were raised by the person who filed this complaint, the whistleblower, but were essentially not part of the legal analysis that was done here by the lawyers of their office of legal counsel. i should add, john, that we know they kicked it over to the criminal division of the justice department. we have lawyers from the national security division, public integrity lawyers, a lot of lawyers in the department looked at the complaint that was filed by this whistleblower, and they essentially limited their analysis to whether or not this was an election law violation, whether this was a campaign finance violation.
they didn't look at this as perhaps a counter-intelligence issue. one of the things the whistleblower says is that this could raise perhaps an issue of compromise for the president or other people involved, because, you know, if some foreign intelligence service knows about this, they could use this to compromise the president. that appears to not have been part of the legal analysis that the justice department did before they decided to shut this down. >> that's some important reporting. let me come to the lawyers on the panel here. i'm a layperson here, but essentially here's 20 pages. i'm going to look at this one, is that what happened here, and forget this? >> it looks like that's what happened and that's not normal operating procedure. when the fbi gets information, it's not really up to the person making the referral to specify the violation that is happening. it's their job to look at it and assess. but more importantly, how shocked can we really be that
bill barr decided that allegations that he may have been involved in securing information from a foreign government would not constitute a campaign finance violation? it's truly bizarre that -- we can go down this road, just that he would be willing to make that decision on the record because it presents a clear conflict of interest. >> one of the common public refrains here is, you people need to calm down. this is mr. trump. he doesn't talk like bush, he doesn't talk like obama. he's heading over to the senate intelligence committee. that hearing will be conducted in private. we'll keep track of any information. but the argument is the president speaks in his own way, you people need to be more careful, just understand he's different. that's one issue. if you read the memo -- it's not a transcript -- of the call with the president of ukraine, it's
pretty clear he's linking aid and linking cooperation and linking friendship to help with the biden investigation. the whistleblower complaint blows this up. and sean, i want to come to you because you worked in this community. it's not just about the president. in the days following the phone call, i learned that senior white house officials had intervened to lock down all records of the phone call, especially the official word-for-word transcript of the phone call was reduced. that would be a nice thing to have, the official transcript. that would clear up a lot of this. if it shows the president did nothing wrong, great, if we had it. but we don't. they have a separate system. they're using another computer system that is essentially designed to protect the most covert information of the united states government to hide.
>> it's important to understand how this typically works. it's typically the case that when the president has a phone call with a foreign leader, that the transcript of that phone call is packaged up and sent out to other cabinet officials who may have an interest in that discussion. when i was at odni, it was regularly the case the director at the time, dni jim clapper, would get transcripts of those phone calls. what we're being told in this case is there are phone calls that are happening, and not only are those transcripts not distributed, in government you have classified systems that rise above the level of secret systems. in those systems, that's where you put the most sensitive information. what we have in this case is we have these phone calls not being put there because they are of a sensitive national security matter, they're being put there because they're politically embarrassing for the president. that is an abuse of the system. >> so they're trying to protect the president, you know, obviously. and i think the question that i'm also asking is, when the
president decided not to send pence to ukraine for the inauguration, what did he tell the vice president? did the vice president know that this was being held up and that the aid was being held up because the president felt that zelensky had not been cooperative enough to investigating joe biden or hillary clinton's server or whatever it is? was the vice president aware of the file 13 that -- you know. i don't know. >> one very important thing that came up today in this hearing was if and when the whistleblower, him or herself, will be able to testify. because -- and mcguire seemed to say that was likely in the works, but why that's so important is that this document says white house officials -- six white house officials knew that this business of burying
the transcripts was going on. first question. who were they? what are their names? so that will allow the committee to investigate and see if these accusations are true or not. >> and another central part of this are the activities of the president's personal lawyer, rudy giuliani. we focused yesterday because we had a memorandum of the july 25th call. we knew before that giuliani was working his story, working his often conspiracy theories and adam schiff speaking on capitol hill, the chairman of the house intelligence committee. let's listen. >> we had an opportunity to review last night, but only received today. we made available to the public as soon as we received the redacted version. it sets out a series of the most damning allegations concerning it the conduct of the president and others potentially within the
administration. in that it lays out a scheme to use the leverage of the presidency, use the leverage of the vital military assistance to a foreign nation to provide or obtain dirt on a political opponent. it's hard to imagine a more serious set of allegations than those contained in the complaint. the complaint goes further, obviously, than the record of the call in that it also alleges that there were efforts made to conceal this scheme. by moving communications onto servers that were designed for an entirely different purpose, that were designed, in fact, to contain communications of covert action and other highly sensitive compartmented intelligence information. it is a deep irony that the department of justice would say this is outside the jurisdiction of the director of national intelligence and yet someone
felt that this should be put in the place that is used for the protection of the most sensitive of classified information. but what we do know at this point is this, that when the inspector general found that this whistleblower was credible, he was right. because what this whistleblower said about the nature of that call has been borne out in great detail by the call record that has now been released. so in a very substantial part, this whistleblower has already been found to be credible. whether the other allegations that go beyond this specific call will be borne out has yet to be determined and that it will be the subject of our investigation. this whistleblower has given us a road map for our investigation. but it's important to underscore that what we are able to corroborate already about the whistleblower has been corroborated in detail by this record of the president's
conversation with the president of ukraine. that gives added weight and urgency and need to get to the bottom of the other allegations made by the whistleblower. once again, i want to express my profound gratitude to the whistleblower for coming forward. and i'm grateful for the director for coming to the committee, for not requiring us to use coercion. yes, we provided a subpoena, but he came in front of the committee, and he came in front of the committee voluntarily. and while i believe he has made the wrong decision in withholding the complaint, like my colleagues, i respect his service to the country. but we are profoundly concerned with the breakdown of this whistleblower system that has bienemann fest over the last month, that a whistleblower who was deemed credible, who had a complaint that was deemed urgent, that a complaint that had to come to congress would be
held in congress, and would be withheld on the basis of advice given by the subject or subjects of that complaint. the conflict of interest is all too apparent, all too palpable. it is indeed a minor miracle that we got the complaint at all and that we got the transcript at all. at the end of the day, what is alleged in this whistleblower complaint goes to the very heart of the president's oath of office. that he faithfully execute the laws of the country, that he defend the constitution, and if as alleged, if as this record of call already indicates, the president was instead faithfully executing his office was using that office as leverage to obtain dirt, to have another country manufacture dirt on his opponent. it is hard to imagine a more fundamental abuse of that office. and so we are determined to get to the bottom of this, and i'm
happy to respond to a couple questions. >> without speaking to the whistleblower, what are your next investigative steps? what targets emerge from reading this complaint in the hearing today? obviously a recess begins on friday for the next couple weeks. >> we'll be working through the recess, and as i mentioned, i think the complaint gives us a pretty good road map of allegations we need to investigate. there is a whole host of people, apparently, who have knowledge of these events that the whistleblower makes reference to. we don't know how many or any of them that have already been interviewed by the inspector general. we will be having a subsequent hearing with the inspector general which we have requested so that we can determine what he was able to find in his preliminary investigation. now, he only had 14 days to do it, but it looks like he did a far more substantial investigation than anything the justice department was willing to do.
and so we will see what witnesses have been interviewed and what haven't. we'll do our best to identify those. we're obviously going to be bringing the whistleblower in, and i was pleased that the director committed to have the whistleblower come in as soon as the issues are resolved with the whistleblower's counsel, and that we have the commitment of the director of national intelligence that there will not be some minder from the white house or the department of justice or anywhere else that is instructing him what he can or cannot answer or what she can or cannot answer. that further testimony will help identify, i hope, some of these other individuals that can corroborate these deeply troubling allegations. we also want to determine what the documentary evidence is. we need to look into the allegation that this may not be the only communication of a potentially corrupt character that was shielded by this classified information computer
system abused for that purpose. we want to know what role rudy giuliani had in all of this. we want to know what role bill barr had in any of this. we want to know what ukraine understood was expected of them before they even had this july phone call with the president of the united states. so we know what we have to do, and of course, we'll be guided by the evidence that we find along the way. >> what potential crimes do you see? >> i think there are any number of potential crimes when a president is soliciting for assistance again in another presidential election. there can be no claim of ignorance this time. when a president is withholding authorized funding of congress to use as leverage if he were
trying to manufacture dirt on his opponent, if there is an effort to cover up. any of this conduct there are innumerable potential offenses, but i have no confidence that this justice department led by the attorney general will investigate anything, except the president's adversaries. or claims that give fodder to the conspiracy theories which the president wishes to pedal which he was pedaling with volodymyr zelensky. as the partners are willing to look into this, this will fall on our responsibility. >> could you specifically seek interviews with rudy giuliani, with bill barr, and will you try to get the transcripts that were separated out? >> i'm not going to get to specific administrative steps at this point. but as i made clear in the
questions i had for the director today, i think each and every one of these allegations, given their seriousness, given that no one is looking into this and no one has been apart from this committee for the last month that these urgent matters need to be thoroughly investigated. now, we're going to move as expeditiously as possible. of course, it's been the history of this administration prior to this very graphic exception of the publishing of this call record and the provision of the complaint, the declassification of the complaint, that this administration has attempted to obstruct our inquiry in any way and in every way. but we will be working to conduct this as swiftly as possible. >> we're going to head back into this room. >> president trump just tweeted about you saying you have zero credibility and another fantasy to hurt the republican party. how do you respond? >> i'm always flattered when i'm
attacked by someone of the president's character. thank you. >> the chairman of the house intelligence committee, adam schiff, speaking to reporters there responding to a tweet from the president, that after the big hearing this morning with the acting director of national intelligence. mr. schiff promising that the investigation will continue even through a congressional recess. he said the priority now is to get the whistleblower in the room. he's confident the director of national intelligence will allow that to happen without a reminder. and the whistleblower complaint chairman schiff says he wants to bring before the committee. it is an oversight investigation. it is not directly connected to impeachment yet, but the president clearly sees where this is going, not only tweeting moments ago that in his view adam schiff has zero credibility. he said a whistleblower with no credible information. another fake news story. see what was said on the very
nice, no pressure, call. another witch hunt. it was the dangling of the usa connecting the election to his opponent joe biden. the democrats seem to be on a path to impeachment, and you have some reporting that the white house -- i'm not sure they're happy with their own decision to release all these documents in recent days, but they assume this is where this is going as well, and they're considering some steps that show you the bruising politics we would be in if we get there. >> a couple things we've been learning as we're watching this. number one, the obvious question has been if we now know what this is, the president knew about this, why didn't they release it? the answer i've gotten from several sources, the president, and the office, was getting pounded by the office saying, we are not going to question anything else until we get this.
once they started leaking, they were continuing to see details go out there, so you might as well just release it. whether they're second-guessing, i don't have the answer to that. secondly, on the political response, you know from being in the white house in the clinton years, they assembled a special team to deal with the communications strategy and other political strategies to confront the republicans then in the house who were dealing with impeachment. there is talk of doing the same in the trump white house, talk of bringing in for the first time into the white house corwin lewandowski who understands the dna of the president probably better than anybody else, as we witnessed when he was on capitol hill last week. it is not a done deal. he has not talked to the president, but there are signs that there are people in the white house who would welcome that, which would be a big shift. because he was never in the white house because that was not thought to be good. he also would quickly want to bring in david bosse who you
remember from the '90s who was an early trump supporter because he helped to lead impeachment from the republican side of the house. >> would he make a run for the senate? >> how do you do that if you have lawyers in the white house who were complaining about the president and set up this separate file? so if the white house is doing its damage control, isn't the president, knowing donald trump, going to say, who are these people? >> the whistleblower complaint, read it. it's unproven allegation. but backed up credibly by the release of the memo of the ukraine call. so to the lawyers, if you're introducing, as the judge would say, the witness at least has threshold credibility, let's hear more. and that's why the democrats would go ahead with the investigation. the president just trashes
everybody, doesn't address the substance. the white house committee says there is nothing new to rehash here, it's just partisan. if this is false, why don't we have current situations from the chief of staff, or even former chief of staff john kelly just left, security adviser john bolton, why can't you get these people to make statements saying, doesn't happen, we didn't see this. put statements out saying, i'm willing to testify to congress. it's all right here. answer it. >> but john, the central allegation of the complaint is undisputed. the central allegation of the complaint is that the president used his authority in a conversation with a foreign head of state to get political dirt on his political opponents and conduct other investigation relating to conspiracy theories about the 2016 election. that is undisputed. the president has admitted it. it is in the text of the summary of the phone call that has been released. we can now read it. we see it.
they're not claiming it's not true. the white house released it. what the president is saying is that it's okay to do. and that's the fundamental issue. >> the admission from this president took place over the course of about a week. he called this fake news, and then over the weekend kind of admitted it and started defending it, frankly. that's where we are today and that's the thing. you talk about transparency and maybe debates inside the white house about whether it's transparent or not. the details themselves are damning, and the contents of the call to republicans. you had one senate congressman say, this is not okay. >> let's hear that. that's mike turner who is normally a defender of the president who was beating up on the democrats for putting impeachment on the table so early, by questioning the integrity of the acting director of national intelligence, but to jim's point, he said this. >> now, i've read the complaint and i've read the transcript of the conversation with the president and the president of the ukraine. concerning that conversation, i
want to say to the president, this is not okay. that conversation is not okay. and i think it's disappointing to the american public when they read the transcript. >> so here's the question. there are a lot of factual questions. the investigations will continue. the intelligence committee, other committees, are doing other work. then there's the political question. right now you would say there are crumbs if you're asking how many republicans have raised concerns about this. mitt romney in the senate, ben sasse in the senate, mike turner saying it's not okay. that's the biggest dynamic to watch as republicans learn more about this and as they see the white house responds to this. will we see or have we seen any evidence that the president is concerned abothat the specifics the alleged misconduct is changing the senate? >> i'm watching mitch mcconnell. he got the whistleblower report, which we evehave, and he hasn't
said anything. mcconnell is a big supporter of the president, i believe, reluctantly so, so let's see what mitch mcconnell does in the senate, if anything. i don't expect any kind of groundswell from republicans, do you? >> no, and if you look at the raw numbers in the house, the democrats don't need it. at this point it looks like they have enough votes, obviously the inquiry hasn't happened, to go forward. it would be beneficial to the country if it would be bipartisan. the question is if it would ever get any further than that. >> will it get further than that even based on the substance, and i'll refer to the calendar. you have a susan clollins, you have a cory gardner. the question is do any of these other senators say, i'm not saying it's an impeachable offense, i'm not even saying it's true, we need to get the answers. will that happen? >> the chairman of the senate
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the cycle? or will it? >> you know, there's something that's really interesting about donald trump. in many ways, i look at him as pop sit days, whatever you expect of him, the opposite happens. instead of campaigning from iowa, he's gaining momentum. and i think the reason for that is the centerpiece of his campaign right now is that people treat him unfairly. but not just him, refrains. there's -- republicans. there's a two-tiered system of justice that applies differently to him and people like him that people are trying to silence republicans, and it is working. so the more that he's out there with this message, the more his base is getting rallied and the more he's winning in the polls. so it's really surprising because it's not at all what you would expect to happen. it probably wouldn't happen to any other candidate besides donald trump because he's just got something very different about him than anybody else that's out there. neil you know, switch back to iowa, doug. i know for democrats it's not really an issue, but they've made it very clear to iowa voters they don't much flip over
people, he had them all come onstage and literally sit in dialogue with him. one of the things he told what she has he believed that moral arc of the universe is long and advance towards justice, but sometimes h one of us has to get out of our state and twist and turn and make sure that our campaigns towards justice. that's what we're hoping to do with the initiative. we are hoping to inject into a refrains and culture, literally, brotherhood and sisterhood and people get up out of their choice and help twist the moral arc of the universe towards justice. and also as a way to say thank you to martin luther king junior on his 100th birthday with 100 million hours of service. >> we are honored you talked about in here tonight. i'll see all of you in washington on monday morning, the holiday, before you hit for the announcement and hit to that king memorial. we thank all three of you, and especially, you yolanda, for being on this show tonight to make this announcement.