the hands of a military judge. 25-year-old is charged with aiding the enemy after allegedly leaking about 700,000 classified military and diplomatic cables to the antes secrecy web site, wikileaks. many civil liberties groups are watching this trial very closely. they say the verdict could have far reaching implications that go well beyond this case. joining us to discuss it is susan estridge. always good to talk to you. >> good to talk to you. >> rick: what's the thinking on this case and the eventual verdict y it could be so consequential? >> well, obviously no one is going after the press here, so let's make that clear. this is not about whether the "new york times" or anybody else had a right to publish material that was given to them. the question is whether an army intelligence officer who knew exactly what he was doing, knew
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from a sand dune returning home from rehabilitation. nathan was buried in the dune for more than three hours in indiana. and former congresswoman from louisiana has died. she fought for civil rights for nearly 18 years in congress. she was 97. >> rick: with a major budgets showdown looming in washington, again, fox news is learning president obama is heading to capitol hill this week to huddle with house democrats. that will happen on wednesday. all of this as the president and the gop continue to spar over the sluggish economy. >> an endless parade of distractions and political posturing and phony scandals can't get in the way of what we need to do. >> president pivoted this week to jobs as he has been known to do on occasion. under the president's leadership, our country has fallen into the new normal of slow growth, high unemployment, and stagnant wages. i think it's unacceptable.
something actually requires, but you have some people that have no financial interest in it. if you have someone for surgeons and one for the neurologists and one more the radiologists. they all have a financial interest in it. we want people that do not have a financial interest that are going to get more or less pay from what they decide on this committee. that is the only way you can get an independent committee that people understand the field and make reasonable judgments on what doctors ought to be paid. >> rick: i've reading response from the medical community and ama admits the system is flawed, but i just wonder what are you are going to run up against if you say the government is going to dictate how much doctors are going to get paid. do you think we're going to run the risk here of discouraging smart young men
>> that's what's phony. that's what's phony about it. >> there is nothing phony about it. it's very real, unfortunately. >> for john boehner to sit there and say that, you know, he's politicizing it through these speeches, i mean, come on. john boehner, look at his tan. it's greater than what yours is going to be when you go to miami. >> rick: wait a second. >> you're a great spinner but this time it's real. people don't like it. the americans see that it's there. these things did happen. and for him to be talking about it doesn't make any sense. >> rick: i just wonder how this sort of sets the stage for any kind of negotiations. how do you sit down and work with somebody in good faith when you are going around and calling their investigations phony and all the name calling? how do you get anything done? >> i think he's calling the scandals phony and why they're -- >> they're scandals. >> why they're you would -- huddling -- the agenda has not changed and what we saw when we were facing the debt ceiling coming down the last time around
about cheating. question a lot of people, is sexting, which anthony weiner is alleged to have done cheating? is sexting cheating? >> absolutely. by boot camp standards, anything you do that takes the sexual energy out of your marriage and outside your marriage, we consider cheating whether it's pornography or strip clubs or even flirtation in the workplace and emotionally getting drained. all day long, you are snapping and coming home and we consider that is cheating. >> there is a pattern here. it's not like there is just one, he got caught and repented. we know that he has done it again even after saying, resigning from congress. i just wonder. >> rick: should people in relationships with a spouse or partner that makes a mistake but keeps doing it, should they truly believe that the partner is going to
the impact ejecting stewart and her fiance's best man, 30-year-old mark lenin, into the water and injuring the four others who who were taken to new york hospitals. lenin is still missing. >> at this hour, it's less and less likely that this would be a rescue as opposed to recovery. we have done a lot of searching both with air assets and with marine units throughout the course of the day and we have not found anything other than the body of the woman we reported earlier. >> police have suspended the search for today and will resume again tomorrow morning. rick? >> rick: brian, thanks so much. >> arthel: very sad. we turn to the economy now. new numbers suggesting a disconnect between consumption and employment. orders for big ticket items rising more than expected last month. but those numbers don't seem to be translating into more jobs. even so, a new poll shows more people believe now is a good
that stealing these materials and giving them to wikileaks and having them made public would provide valuable information to our enemies should be held fully responsible for doing so and frankly, i don't think the first amendment, and i teach it -- protects your ability, particularly a soldier, an intelligence officer, to steal valuable information which puts lives at risk. >> rick: this case is being heard by an army colonel, military judge. it's a court-martial. there is no jury here and that was manning's decision. he could have had a jury hear the case, but he wanted the judge to make the decision here. we're talking about army colonel denise lind. she's been criticized by some for being too pro-government and accepted the key argument that manning should have known that al-qaeda would be able to see these materials that he was
and i knew i would hit you and it would hurt you, but really that wasn't my purpose. i was just trying to get to the store. that's no defense. so i think on the law, her decision was right. >> rick: but that's basically the sort -- the naive defense, is what his team is arguing here, that he was a naive whistle blower. now we're seeing this, of course, against the backdrop of the ed snowden saga that continues to play out. one person's heroic whistle blowerrer is another person's spy or someone who has been aiding the enemy. it's sort of in the eyes of the beholder. is that the way it works with the law, too, or is it more clear cut? >> well, i think whatever his subjective desires, okay, whatever his subjective purpose, what the law asks and what you got to ask 'cause we can't have a different standard and say, oh, you're naive, so you can do whatever you want. the law asks is, did you know
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