and entry through that cockpit door. while the pilot in the cockpit can control in various levels the security of that door under normal conditions there was another alternate means of access to get in. so it was take a deliberate act to implement that extra level of security to get anybody from gaining access into the cockpit. >> robert hager, in the united states, the protocol is that you're never to leave a pilot alone in the cockpit in that situation. isn't that protocol here? >> i'll tell you what i wouldn't be sure of that. i just don't know that. >> katie higgins, that's what we've been -- >> lawrence, i had that same question, because it's being asked. i checked with a colleague who was a u.s. air pilot and he said post 9/11 that, in fact, in the u.s. airline industry the flight attendant will go into
so there's a lot of safety protocols that could be implemented. this particular event may speed that up, just like we saw with mh-370 in the worldwide tracking of airplanes. unfortunately, it takes an event like this to get people to recognize, heighten their awareness and get the regulators in trying to implement a universal regulation. >> robert, talk about the dynamics between reporters covering these kinds of stories and the investigative officials, especially where "the new york times" has single source with some powerful information about what's on the flight voice recorder. what do you expect in the next 24 hours in terms of the dynamics between the media and the officials in france about what the officials then become willing to release? does this put pressure on them to release more information
the aviation authorities are going to say about that report. and hopefully by then they will then give out a lot more information on what really happened on that flight on what really happened in that cockpit. >> claudio, now that we know they have obviously information from the voice recorder what about the flight data recorder? what is the latest in the search for that? >> reporter: that hasn't been found yet. that's the second black box, the flight data recorder that contains all the statistics the technical statistics about the flight altitude and speed. that hasn't been located yesterday. today, the president of france was here said they found the framing but not the black box. >> claudio, thank you for joining us. we're joined now by robert hager, a former nbc news
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another alternate means of access to get in. so it was take a deliberate act to implement that extra level of security to get anybody from gaining access into the cockpit. >> robert hager, in the united states, the protocol is that you're never to leave a pilot alone in the cockpit in that situation. isn't that protocol here? >> i'll tell you what, i wouldn't be sure of that. i just don't know that. >> katie higgins, that's what we've been -- >> lawrence, i had that same question, because it's being asked. i checked with a colleague who was a u.s. air pilot and he said post 9/11 that, in fact, in the u.s. airline industry, the flight attendant will go into the cockpit, not to babysit the other pilot, but to -- when the door is closed and the pilot who is left wants to reenter, it's an added level of safety to look through the security peephole
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about, you know, why is an airliner still flying over a conflicted area like this? i think most of the airlines had decided to fly around there. that normally use that airspace. so why malaysian airline is flying through that airspace, even at a high altitude, is to me something of a mystery. and there ought to be something better done about the radio communications by which these civilian airliners identify themselves or by which military planes interrogate the civilian airliner who are you, what are you, to avoid mistaken identities which virtually all of these involve some accident of mistaken identification. clumsily mistaking the identity but nonetheless mistaking identity. there ought to be some foolproof way to get at that issue. >> nbc correspondent robert hager, thank you for helping us sort out what is a complicated story in this. i appreciate your time. thank you, sir. there's going to be an emergency international meeting
hurry. the western world didn't find out what was on them until ten years later when the break-up of the soviet union occurred. >> there are shades of that in the stories we are getting now from the scene of the accident. thank you, bob hager and seth caplan. up next, the world is angry and fingers are pointed at one man -- vladimir putin.
welcome back to "hardball." more now on the investigation into what happened to malaysian air flight 17. president obama called for an international inquiry. that's easier said than done since the site of the crash is in a war zone. international investigators trying to explore the site met with hostility by the local rebels in charge today. said they weren't granted access nor did they have freedom of movement. they said they would need to negotiate for more time tomorrow. how can the world find out what happened if investigators have to negotiate with the rebels who are the prime suspects? robert hager is an nbc news contributor and seth caplan from airline weekly. bob, we talked in the last segment about the possibility of evidence being compromised for the issues we just raised in the intro. how serious of a concern is it
the wreckage has landed in eastern ukraine, russian border, embroiled in fighting between ukrainian forces and pro-russian separatists. their relationship with the russian military has been murky for a very long while now and that is part of figuring out what happens next here. the crash site is in an area that is under rebel control. the rebels are denying any responsibility for the crash. as are the russians. how much of an investigation can be done in what is realistically a war zone? who will do that investigation? what do we still expect to be able to find out about how this happened, where it originated from, and who did it? joining us now, longtime nbc news aviation correspondent, robert hager, mr. hager has been an on the ground reporter in passenger jet disasters including pan am over lockerbie. mr. hager, thank you for being with us tonight. >> sure, rachel. by the way, i covered both the soviet shoot-down of the korean passenger plane, as well as the iranian airbus that got shot down. >> when you look back at the