the president obama calling karzai's bluff here? >> well, you know, you might wonder that. you might think that he's plague sort of a game, but let's remember, the president of the united states' statement about all of this, seen and heard by al qaeda, by the taliban, by the taliban over in pakistan, in that safe haven. it doesn't get more serious than this. what is going on is hamid karzai has made clear, publicly, he will not sign the essential security agreement that the u.s. needs to see in place to keep troops there after 2014. without that security agreement, without that legal framework, there is no choice. u.s. troops have to leave at the end of 2014. the president of the united states, out of patience with karzai today, after talking to him, seeing that he's not going to side, the white house was ready to go with a press conference, saying, okay, now the president is ordering the pentagon to plan for that zero option. no security agreement, no legal framework. the u.s. has no choice but to pack and go. if, if there is a change in the plan, and that security agreement is signed, the u.s. might still keep several thousand troops there to help train and assist afghan forces. but, brooke, already, a senior pakistan official has said the zero option could lead to civil war in afghanistan. he predicts 30% of afghan forces will defect. this could be a very serious security situation. karzai dsn't look like he has any intention of signing this essential document. >> we will be debating the so-called zero option coming up a little later in the show. barbara starr, as always, thank you. >> fresh off his appearance on seth myers' debut as late-night host, the vice president, joe biden, sat down with the ladies of "the view," talking about the president's affordable care act, and he took full advantage of the largely female audience today, encouraging moms to talk to their adult children about enrolling in obamacare. >> no matter how old we get, we still listen to our moms. i know that sounds corny, but it's true. and there's no influence on a son or a daughter, that's 28 or 29 years old, feeling physically invincible, why should i go out and pay, even if i can afford it, at $300 a month or $400 a month. why should i go get health insurance? i'm invincible? >> when asked about running for the white house come 2016, the vice president said hillary clinton will not affect his decision. spring is just two days away, but by the looks of these pictures, it doesn't feel like it. the snow is falling, the northeast and the nation's capital getting even more snowfall over the course of the next couple of days. we're told about 1 to 3 inches and that whole arctic plunge, that will stretch from the midwest to up and down the east coast. temperatures will drop 10 to 30 degrees below normal. right now, the u.s. is sending an elite team of marines to beef up security at the embassy in ukraine's capital, kiev. this after last week's deadly anti-government protests, and what is now expected to be a turbulent transition to replace a disposed president, victor yed yedakovich, who is still on the run. in his place, heavyweight boxing champ, natli clichko. he has just announced he's tossing his hat in the ring to become the president of ukraine. and a veto is expected for the controversial religious freedom bill in arizona. but arizona governor jan brewer isn't quite saying that on the record yet. in a cnn exclusive, governor brewer says she won't go by instinct, but information when it comes to the senate bill 1062. >> and i don't rely a whole lot on my gut, because i have to look at what it says and what the law says and take that information and do the right thing. but i can assure you, as always, i will do the right thing for the state of arizona. >> now, those who know the governor well, they say when she says doing the right thing, almost surely means a veto, and she has to decide by saturday morning. sb-1062 expands state definitions to have religious freedom, allowing not just people, but businesses and associations to deny services if providing them goes against their own religious beliefs. critics contend, that's really just a legal way to allow discrimination against the gay community. and while debating that point, one bill's supporter would not or could not explain how sb-1062 prevents discrimination from happening. he is state senator al melvin. he's actually candidate for governor, and he talked to anderson cooper. >> can a society exist where everybody gets to decide who they interact with and who they don't based solely on their religious beliefs? and if for whatever reason, if somebody doesn't like somebody else else, under your law, they dona don't have to deal with that person. >> the bill is designed for religious freedom. no matter how you twist and try to turn it, that's what -- that is the bottom line here. >> you can't answer -- >> there is no belief perceived -- it was nobly voted on. and we hope the governor signs it into law. >> if somebody is fired because they're gay or lesbian in your state, is that discrimination? would you say that's discrimination? >> i -- i don't know of anybody that discriminates in our state -- >> okay, but i'm just saying, if somebody is fired, a boss doesn't like some guy on their staff or a woman on their staff because they're gay or lesbian and they're fired for that, which is legal, because there's no protection for sexual orientation, is that discrimination? >> you know, you're trying to distort a religious freedom bill -- >> sir, you're running for governor of the state of arizona -- sir, you're running for governor of the state of arizona. >> yes, i am. >> you're going to be governor of gay and lesbian people, and you can't even go on the record and say, if a gay and lesbian person is fired simply for being gay or lesbian, that's for discrimination. you can't even make that leap and say, yeah, that would be discrimination. >> i don't know of any case like you just cited -- >> i want to give you one more opportunity, because i think this is going to come back on you. if somebody, anywhere in america, is fired because they're gay or lesbian, and that's the reason they're fired, because somebody doesn't like them, and it's legal in that state, is that discrimination? >> i'm against all discrimination and i want maximum religious freedom, sir. >> okay, you can't answer that question, then. i'm -- i gave you the opportunity. >> that's my answer to you. >> i hear you. >> i know you're trying to set me up. and i'm not going to stand for it, sir. >> whoo, it appears the state senator is facing a growing opposition, because now a band of 80-some arizona companies just wrote a letter to governor brewer, calling for the end of 1062, and my next guest signed that very letter. he is glen hammer, president and ceo of the arizona chamber of commerce and industries. so, glen, welcome. >> thank you for being on -- giving me the chance to be on the show, brooke. >> you got it. >> glen, do me a favor, just begin, give me the top two reasons why you signed that letter. why you want governor brewer to veto this bill. >> arizona is a welcoming state, and there is no -- you just showed a clip. there is no problem that has been identified to us or to anyone in the state of a problem with respect to practicing one's religio religion in arizona. we're a welcoming state. we're a state that relies very haefl on tourism. and we believe, virtually, now, every major business group in the state of arizona has come out in support of the governor vetoing 1062. >> i mean, the pressure is mounting from corporations, specifically, small, big, apple, marriott, but it's not just that, glen. >> oh, across the state. and i would mention, you had senator -- one state senator on, who's running for governor. five republican candidates for governor have come out against 1062 and have asked the governor to veto it. in fact, there was just a poll released yesterday, that among likely republican voters, two to one, they want governor brewer to vote 1062. >> and again -- >> so the momentum continues. >> the momentum continues, it is looking likely, from what we are getting from governor brewer's office, but she stopped short, thus far. the deadline for her is saturday. but in addition to the corporations, glen, you have the nfl. because, hello super bowl and phoenix, they say they're also watching right where this bill goes and every part of the statement we got, our policies emphasize tolerance and exclusive sns and distribuprohis based on age, gender, race, religion, sexual orientation or any other improper standard. we will decline further comment at this time. here's my question for you, as we know your great state is supposed to be hosting the super bowl next year, you know the business community. if the super bowl pulled out of phoenix, how bad would that be for you? >> the super bowl is not going to pull out of phoenix. i'll make two predictions to you, brooke. the super bowl will be in phoenix. we'll have great weather. by the way, there's no polar vortex here today. and i'm also going to go out on a limb and say i believe the cardinals will play in that game. >> okay, cardinals and phoenix aside, though. let's say even now, let me take your prediction and say, all right, let's stay that this bill dies. let's say that, you know, the super bowl is played, still, this has been bad pr for your state in the last couple of days. and it probably will be until saturday, if and when brewer vetoes this thing. what kind of damage is already done, glen? >> the important thing is for the governor to come to the right conclusion, and we strongly believe that's a veto. and then to explain it. i mean, given the amount of national and even international attention this bill has received, this is ant bill that you simply veto. it's going to require an explanation. >> what do you want to hear her say, glen? >> well, she's a very thoughtful person. and i believe -- you know, i have no idea what she would say, but i'm sure that she would mention things such as that arizona is a very welcoming state. that this is a state that where you could come from anywhere in the country, anywhere in the world, and really climb the ranks. i'm a guy from new york. i don't think if i grew up in arizona, i would have had the chance to have, say, run the equivalent of the state chamber in new york. this is a merit-based society where a welcoming society or an inclusive society, and it's just very important for the governor to veto this bill, so we can get back to regular programming, talk about our great weather and our great climate for jobs. >> and sports, too, according to you, glen hammer, president and ceo of the arizona chamber of commerce and industry. glen, thank you very much. we'll be watching what happens in the next couple of days. >> thank you. meantime, coming up, this murder attempt at the second largest private residence in this whole country. find out what happened at this castle, a mecca for the rich and the famous. plus, we are finally hearing what president obama and john boehner discussed this morning during their first meeting in quite a while, and the list of topics, it's somewhat surprising. we have that for you. also, heading to disney world anytime soon? 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will your typical middle class family finally be able to say, sorry, can't go? >> so far -- >> which is sad! it's a wonderful place. >> so far, that hasn't happened yet. attendance apparently keeps going up and up. i took my family there recently. and there are a ton of families there. you do get the sense that a lot of families save up and up and up. and make this sort of the annual trip for their family. they know they're going to spend a fortune, but they save their money to do it. i just hope it doesn't get to that point, where families can't do it. that would be a crime. >> is there any way, and i'm asking, i don't have kids, but i'm the gal that goes to the movie theater and goes to cvs ahead of time, and buys her sour patch kids there. >> now we know! >> is there anything you can do to, i don't know, multi -- you know, what is it? >> it's a multi-day pass. you can certainly do that and take advantage of discounts. you're not paying that one-day cost. you can spread it over a number of days. they have all kinds of packages, especially for, you know, the height of the summer, when it's so hot, nobody wants to go, or when it's really crowded. they might have certain packages that families can take advantage of. >> look into it. do your homework. >> exactly. but know you're going to spend money. i mean, we have -- and also know, i said, our kids had an amazing, amazing time. >> cinderella still is fun. >> they loved it! and i didn't think we would have as much fun, but we did. although, recringed wondering how many european cities we could have visited for the same price. >> oh, the children! >> the children. kelly wallace, thank you very much. appreciate it. the wolf of wall street, that is up for a number of oscars this weekend. and now its producers are up for a lawsuit. one of the real-life executive's brokerage firm portrayed in a movie suing paramount pictures for a cool $25 million. he is speaking exclusively to cnn. you have to hear this interview. plus, former president bill clinton hitting the campaign trail. why kentucky? 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[ male announcer ] if you can't afford your medication, astrazeneca may be able to help. got some breaking news here at the bottom of the hour. i'm brooke baldwin. this is what we're learning. word of a massive recall from general motors. more than 1 million vehicles are affected. and here's the issue. it's an ignition problem. let me go straight to our money car expert, peter valdez. peter, what exactly is the issue here? >> well, the issue here is that the ignition switch can accidentally come out of the run position while the car is driving, shutting off the engine, that also shuts off power steering, shuts off your power brake assist, also shuts off your airbags. it's a bad situation. gm had already recalled 780,000 cars roughly for this, but now they've expanded it to 1.4 million cars total. >> which cars, specifically, peter? >> all right. well, they had already recalled the chevrolet coballot and the nearly identical pontiac g-5, they're recalling the chevy hhr, pontiac solstice, saturn sky and saturn ion in addition to those other cars. >> how many issues had gm had in recent years? >> i mean, gm -- these days, all auto manufacturers, and i don't want to single out gm, many automotive manufacturers have had a number of recalls. toyota has had a number of recalls over the years, so has chrysler. these days, especially, auto makers are really sensitive to wanting to jump on issues as quickly as possible. now, this issue dates back some years and they're finally getting on top of it. but auto makers are much more sensitive these days the about jumping on recalls, because there are serious penalties. an auto maker can be fined about $35 million for failing to recall a car in a timely fashion once they know of a safety problem. >> okay. peter, thank you very much. i'm sure you're going to have this right up on cnn.com. i know we blew through that. for people who want to read about specifically these cars, cnnmoney.com. i want to move along and talk about former president bill clinton, because he is back on the campaign trail. and it's not for himself, not for his wife, hillary clinton. he is, in fact, campaigning for a long time family friend, trying town seat kentucky's mitch mcconnell, the most powerful republican currently sitting in the u.s. senate. and it is clear the former president still enjoys being on the stump. >> politics is not rocket science. it's either creative cooperation or constant conflict. it's either a focus on people or a focus on keeping yourself in power by keeping people torn up and upset, so they can't think anymore. and, you know, when allison got in this race, retalked about it, i said, your point is a genius at that latter course, he's skated a couple of elections here doing that. you can't beat that. you've got to beat it with this. give the people something. >> let's talk about this kentucky trip with this man, our chief national correspondent, john king, and host of cnn's "inside politics." and john king, i mean, here you have this 35-year-old, you know, young woman, allison grimes, democrat in a red state. she is taking on, you know, as we mentioned, the number two in the senate, the tip-top republican. how did she get bill clinton to campaign for her? >> you mentioned the family relationship. bill clinton is very close to her dad, who was once a state party chairman, was in the legislature in kentucky. i met him way back in 1991, when bill clinton was gearing up to run for president. and bill clinton, you know, campaigned in kentucky. we view it now as a red state, but bill clinton carried kentucky. that's why he's there, family history, family friendship. but this is also, for democrats, brooke, this is just the premiere challenge. they want to get mitch mcconnell. they see him as vulnerable. now, mitch mcconnell has a tea party primary challenge to get through first, but democrats see a remote opportunity, they're honest about it, a remote opportunity, but they think this young female candidate is the right profile to run against mitch mcconnell. i will say this, though. this was a fascinating snapshot of 2014. now, allison grimes gave this long speech about the bill clinton economy. she never mentioned barack obama. that's one of her problems. he's unpopular in the state of kentucky. and mitch mcconnell was just asked about bill clinton being there, and he said, he came down my last two elections and i won, so keep him coming. >> some of the dems would like bill clinton rather than barack obama by his side. what about the fact that currently, barack obama, not very popular there. do you think kentucky, though, would actually dump mitch mcconnell for this young woman? >> mitch mcconnell has a problem that all incumbents have. and mitch mcconnell has been magnified, because he has the title, leader. voters everywhere don't like incumbents. they especlly don't like incumbents with titles, because they view them as responsible for the problem. i've seen some of the internal polling in kentucky, and the voters in kentucky are mad at mitch mcconnell, because they view him as part of the problem in washington. now, bill clinton said it himself, mitch mcconnell's a very crafty politician. if you go back, there have been many times in his career he's been counted out. he has a tea party challenge to deal with first. he hasn't spent a lot of money focusing on the democrat yet. but if this race right now, february, so, in some ways, discount this, but this race right now, if you match up allison grimes and mitch mcconnell, it's a toss-up, which tells you mitch mcconnell is going to have to fight, assuming he survives this primary, and it tells you, brooke, that a boat load of national money from republicans and democrats is going to come into this race. because if democrats see a chance to knock off the leader, you have to go back in history a little bit, when the republicans knocked off tom dashel when he was the senate democratic leader. there's a little bit of a grudge match here. trust me, this is a big one. >> okay. we'll watch that. but also this. because we're finally getting some details from the john boehner/president obama meeting, you know, early this morning, the first meeting in months and months. we know it happened for about an hour. and just looking at the list, john king, they talked about manufacturing, trade, flood insurance, immigration, health care, afghanistan, california drought. the list goes on. do we have any idea what they talked about the most? >> no, we don't. what we're getting from both sides is that it was a productive meeting, it was a cardial meeting. but when you don't have a very long meeting and a long list of items, what does that tell you? they pretty much went through, we've got to do this, do this, and a readout from speaker boehner, one of his top aids, where they can get things done, they will try to get things done. that was the end of the meeting, there are some like drought and farm policy, where you can see compromise. if you want to talk immigration, budget, taxes, big things, health care, don't count on the it. >> manufacturing, president talking about that from the east room of the white house in about a half hour are now. we'll take a little bit of that. mr. king, thank you so much. and make sure we watch john king, "inside politics," right here sunday mornings on cnn. a big boost for trendy, all-electric tesla cars. 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>> only himself. >> well, the defendants in this lawsuit maintain that rugrat is not green, but a combination of characters. and the academy awards, nearly days away. and while everybody is talking about who will take home a trophy, there is something even bigger brewing, as in, a "wizard of oz" tribute. the iconic 1939 musical will be marking 75 years. ♪ somewhere over the rainbow ♪ way up high ♪ there's a land that i heard of, once in a lullaby ♪ >> i don't care how old you are, doesn't that just still kind of give you the goose bumps? there is more to this story. hollywood reporter has the scoop, they're reporting that garland's three kids will reunite at the oscars for the tribute. liza took home a best actress oscar back in 1973 for "cabaret," so joining me live, her and her classic movie host, ben makeowitz. do we have any idea what they'll be doing this weekend on stage? >> yeah, oddly, they're not consulting me for what they ought to do on stage. >> they're not? >> i've got a lot of really good ideas. that's crazy. you just heard "over the rainbow." i imagine these are three people who could give a fairly nice rendition of "over the rainbow," but we don't know what they're going to do. it will be something of a surprise. but it's merely a surprise that the three of them are ready to appear on stage together, to celebrate, perhaps, their mother's signature film. >> do we know, when was the last time all three of these judy garland children shared a single stage? >> i don't know when they all were together, because, of course, they didn't get along for some time, although reportedly, things are now good between them and lorna luft, who was a singer and actress in her own right, performs secretly, and liza appeared with her at a performance as late as last year. so they have been together, and things are now good, which, of course, warms all of our hearts. they clearly all loved their mother, but those were difficult years to have to deal with what their mother was going through, and to know now that as they've reached into their 50s and 60s, that they're get along is really nice. and somehow that comforts me and all of us who love "wizard of oz," is comforted by that. and that's something i want to see at the oscars. >> i'm excited too. let me ask you now about harold ramis, the great hollywood director and actor, passed away. we talked about this yesterday, age 69. but i wanted to ask you today, just thinking about, i mean, this is a man, both in front of the camera and behind the camera, this man appealed to all generations. for me, it was "ghostbusters," for others, it was "groundhog day," "as good as it gets," "national lampoon," >> and you're leaving out the one that appeals to me most, which is "stripes," which i can quote almost line for line. when you start looking at the movies that he either wrote or directed or starred in, and in many of them, he did one, two, or three of those things the. you start to get an idea, "animal house," kaddy shack, "stripes," "analyze this," "ghostbusters," "meatballs," these are movies that mattered and ushered in, in many ways, this new era of comedies, the jud apatow comedies, the will farrell movies, these are movies that owe a bit of debt of gratitude to the movies that harold ramis played such an important role in. and i think that for many film fans, i don't think we fully appreciated his contribution, in part because as an actor, following the "ghostbusters" movies, he didn't appear much, except in bit roles, and we sort of got the sense that he went away, when, of course, he didn't, he just sort of went into the background as an actor. but that's exactly what he was. he was a background player, would lob in a few funny lines, background player on screens, but behind the scenes, he was a driving force. and i didn't appreciate harold ramis enough. i count myself with the masses who read these obits and appreciations today and thought, oh, my goodness, the level of the quality of these films, the lasting quality of these wonderful comedies, he was sensational. >> the laughter to tears in some cases. ben makeowitz, turner classic movies host, thank you so much. and a quick reminder to all of you, turn in thursday night when cnn films brings you, "and the oscar goes to," airs thursday night, 9:00 eastern right here on cnn. right now, states are racing to be the first to prosecute el chopo, the drug kingpin locked up in mexico. and while we wait to see if and when he's coming to the u.s., we are giving you a look at the mexican cartel that you have never seen. that's next. hey guys! sorry we're late. did you run into traffic? 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where few outsiders go. >> reporter: we're driving through the heart of the mexican state of sinaloa, which is home of the multi-national business known as the sinaloa cartel. one of the most powerful, wealthy, brutal, ruthless drug cartels that ever was. its leader is a man by the name of joaquin guzman, better known as el chapo, and this is his home. this is el chapo back in 1993, after he'd been captured. but in 2001, he escaped from prison in a laundry cart. marijuana, cocaine, method, heroin, and murder are all part of his business. violent scenes like these, garbage stuck in garbage bags, are directly connected to the wrath of the sinaloa cartel. much of the blood is spilled here, in the largest city in sinaloa. and the violent nerve center of the cartel. his rumors spread that el chapo was killed in a gunfight, no one here seemed to believe it. >> translator: around here, he is the legend of sinaloa. >> reporter: and that mystique is part of the reason that people are protective of him. el chapo was seen as a modern-day robin hood, helping churn the sinaloa economy with drug money. a common feel iing, leave el cho and his cartel alone, and he'll leave us alone. >> reporter: at this sinaloa cathedral, one of the priests says it's commonly understood that people mind their manners when it comes to el chapo and his bloody exploits. >> translator: people from around here know not to speak about el chapo. we don't talk about it. >> reporter: just drive around here, and you'll see how the drug kingpin and members of his cartel are idolized. storefronts bear the name of the cartel leader. and it's not uncommon to see el chapo printed on the tops of license plate frames. but nothing idolizes the narco trafficking trade more than here. money lines the walls and ceiling of a business and place of prayer that celebrates the drug culture and the life of a man who many compare to el chapo. >> this is a site you'd never expect to see in a law-abiding society. this is literally a chapel dedicated to a man by the name of jesus mall verde who died in the early 20th century. he is considered a patron saint for drug dealers and those who sympathize with drug dealers. he was considered a robin hood back in his time. drug dealers come here, families of drug dealers come here to pray for people who died and also to pray for good transports of their drugs up north. here's a sign, for example. this is a chapel right inside here, and here's a sign, and in spanish it said, thank you to god, thank you to st. jude, and thank you to jesus malverde for the favor of protecting our family. and signed by a family here in sinaloa. but the most bizarre scene in sinaloa might be this. driving down this street in, it looks like you're entering a neighborhood, but this is a cemetery where cartel members are buried. this looks like a house, but it's not. there's a body buried in here. it's a tomb. there are scores of similar mausoleums in the cemetery, with the faces of the drug kingpins posted outside the crypts. narco traffickers who likely grew up in poverty and homes much smaller than their final resting places. and when the drug trade is glorified like this, it's easy to see how someone like el chapo could elude capture for so long. gary tuchman, cnn, kulkaun, mexico. >> gary, thank you. smiles, a standing ovation, and a tremendous recognition of bravery for three women who were held captive in that ohio house of horrors last year. coming up next, we'll show you how the state tease governor honored these three women with a very special award. ♪ humans -- even when we cross our "t's" and dot our "i's," we still run into problems. that's why liberty mutual insurance offers accident forgiveness with our auto policies. if you qualify, your rates won't go up due to your first accident. because making mistakes is only human, and so are we. we also offer new car replacement, so if you total your new car, we give you the money for a new one. call liberty 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[ female announcer ] watch live tv anywhere. the x1 entertainment operating system, only from xfinity. here we go. hour two. i'm brooke baldwin. have to begin in arizona. governor jan brewer is expected to veto the state's controversial religious freedom bill. and you will hear directly from the governor in just a moment. but first, brewer herself has been hearing from a growing number of businesses, vehemently opposed to senate bill 1062. it's this proposal that was specifically written to protect them from lawsuits. her office received this letter just today, signed by 80-plus arizona companies, all of them want her to veto this bill. 1062 expands state definitions of religious freedoms, allowing not just people, but businesses and allowing associations to deny services if providing them goes against their religious beliefs. now, critics, and there are a lot of them, say 1062 is a way to legally discriminate against gay people. and while debating that point, one will's supporter would not or could not explain how sb-1062 prevents discrimination. you have to hear this. this is state senator al melvin. he's actually a candidate for governor, talking to anderson cooper. roll it. >> and around your law, under this law, if i'm a catholic loan officer, say, in a bank, and i don't like the idea of loaning money to a divorced woman, because jesus spoke against divorce very strongly, or i don't want to loan money to an unwed mother, even though she may be able to pay me back as a loan officer, just because it's against my religious belief, and my religious belief is sincere, under your law, i could refuse to do business with an unwed mother or a divorced woman, correct? >> i don't know where you're getting your hypotheticals from, sir. divorced women and what was the other one you cited? >> unwed mother. >> i mean, who would be against an unwed mother. i wouldn't be. i wouldn't be against a divorced woman. >> but, sir, as you know -- sir -- >> you're trying to take discrimination to the nth degree. >> no, sir, i'm talking about what jesus spoke. jesus spoke against divorce. >> if you want to watch the whole interview, cnn.com. here is dana bash, our chief cnn correspondent, and you talked to the woman, really, of the week here, jan brewer. tell me, why is it expected that she will veto this bill by saturday? >> well, first of all, the answer to that is, according to people who are familiar with her thinking, know her well in arizona, the answer is what you talked about at the beginning of the segment, which is primarily the business side of this. she considers herself a pro-business governor. she has spent years trying to build back up the economy of her state and she understands very well the kind of backlash against businesses in arizona, that this could have. having said that, that is certainly what i'm told she is thinking behind the scenes, in private, when it comes to her public comments, she is still very cautious. and especially cautious because she's been here in washington. she's on a plane right now, going back to her home state of arizona. so she was reluctant to say much specific about where she'd go, but, i think, some of what she maybe didn't say is telling. listen to at least part of our conversation. >> and i don't relay a whole lot on my gut, because i have to look at what it says and what the law says and take that information and do the right thing. but i can assure you, as always, i will do the right thing for the state of arizona. >> i'm going to do the right thing for the state of arizona. now, obviously, that can be read multiple ways, depending on where you sit. but from the perspective of the governor, and again, the perspective of somebody who considers herself very pro-business, every tea leaf that i am being told to read from people who are close to her is that that means she is not going to sign this. that she is going to veto it. you might ask when. well, she is going to go back today. the original plan was to at least give herself a full day to deliberate, to read the bill, to look at it, and then perhaps do it as early as thursday. but, you know, you never know, because this has become sort of taken on a life of its own, that she might want to take the advice of that senior senator from arizona, john mccain, and just veto it and move on. >> i hear you loud on clear with the issues about the corporations piling on and signing this letter. but i'm also curious of this other story line, which is this little football game called the super bowl that is supposed to happen in phoenix next year, and we know that the nfl, they've released a statement, they are watching very closely, you know, what happens with this bill. do you think, dana, i don't know if you got a chance to ask her, if the super bowl at all affected or will affect her decision. >> i asked her that specific question. i only got a couple questions in, and that was one of my big ones for her. because, obviously, the super bowl, in any state, brings in or should bring in so much revenue. and you know, little-known fact that i actually forgot about, was one of our colleagues brought up earlier this morning, the super bowl was supposed to be in arizona years ago, and the nfl moved it because of the controversy over mlk day. so there's no question. she didn't directly answer my question about the super bowl, but that was the point where she wanted to emphasize that she's very much for growing business in her state and doesn't want to do anything to jeopardize that. i think that was the answer. >> glad you got a chance to ask her just those few questions. dana bash, we'll be watching for the deadline for her to veto saturday. dana, thank you. and just a heads up for you. we are standing by, we're watching for the president. any moment now he will be speaking at the white house in the east room, announcing new plans to boost american manufacturing. so we're watching for that and wii take some of that live for you. so, standby. but i can tell you that former vice president dick cheney is taking issue with the president, and yes, he has done this before. but this time, it's those planned defense cuts that we talked about yesterday. cheney uses some pretty harsh language to argue that president obama is making america less safe. >> i'm driven by budget considerations. much rather spend the money on food stamps than on a strong military or support for our troops. >> tough talk from the former vice president. let's talk about this with van jones, co-host of cnn's "cross fire," and bob sexton, and also former cia officer, who served in both iraq and afghanistan. gentleman, welcome to both of you. and, van jones, you up first. just your reaction to what dick cheney said. >> well, you know, it's ludicrous. i know that he's a big champion of welfare, corporate welfare, for halliburton. i'm sure he would love for us to get in some other big land war where halliburton could make a lot of money. but we're going from having about a little more than half a million soldiers to a little bit fewer than half a million soldiers. people can jump up and down and say that's ridiculous, but the reality is we've got to right size our military so we can fight the wars of the future, which will rely a lot more on technology, being agile, closing some of these bases are make us stronger, not weaker. he threw in that food stamp reference, because that's what dick cheney does. but, obviously, that part of the budget has nothing to do with the defense budget. >> i hear the word "ludicrous" from you, van jones. but buck, here's why i really wanted to talk to you, too. because you srerved in both ira and afghanistan. and tell us why we shouldn't have more drones and lasers and driveless tanks? >> well, we should, absolutely, have those things. but you bring up, for example, two major land wars the u.s. has been involved in, in recent history. and the idea that the u.s. government can project accurately into the future what troop strength we would need in order to address those threats. now, the obama administration's essentially getting away with using budget policy in order to determine at some level what military strategy is going to be. the reality is they're saying, we don't want a force of this size, because we won't need to do these major land occupations in the future. but the truth is, the same soldiers that may be building houses or wells in afghanistan, whether or not someone agrees with that, those troops would be necessary for a war that we can't see coming. and it takes a lot longer to train a combat pilot or train a veteran soldier than it does to say, wibuild a tank. these are the issues they have to be looking at going forward. a 20% cut in army forces is not nibbling around the edges. that is a bite down the middle. that is a serious drawdown in our force strength. >> again, we are talking about the u.s. military. don't you think there is a call for boots on the ground, we will be ready with enough forces. >> let me just add one thing. i would love to hear buck's response on this. we're going from talking about having the biggest military in the history of the world, bigger than every other military, by a couple of factors, to having the biggest military in the history of the world, bigger than every other military by a couple of factors. in other words, it really does not make sense to me. we were planning on going, to having 490,000 soldiers. now they're saying 450,000 soldiers. we're still bigger than everybody, by far. why is this some reason for us to jump up and down and act like we're going to be invaded by canada tomorrow. >> go ahead, bob. >> this is where the administration and i and many others have a separation of ideology. i actually think the projection of u.s. military power abroad is a good thing for the world. i actually believe that the united states is a force for stabilization and for good, and while the administration may love the trillion-dollar welfare states that we hav and the leaps and bounds we're taking towards socialized medicine, the truth is that unlike our friends in europe, we don't have an american to count on, to keep the sea lanes open. we don't have an america to count on to make sure that the dictators of the world can at least sit up and take notice, or like they did until this president took office. these are the issues that come to the fore when people ask, why this drastic reduction. meanwhile, if you try to cut anything this administration a believes is sacred, like entitlement, nothing can ever be cut. there's nothing that can ever be cut from that budget. >> let me pivot. van, speaking specifically of troops, we have just learned, we know that president of afghanistan, hamid karzai, was on the phone with obama this morning, and talking to our pentagon folks, they tell us, according to a senior u.s. official, they tell us for the first time, here we have the commander in chief to begin planning for this complete withdrawal. there will still be an option to stay. but, quote, reached a point where the pentagon has to begin planning for zero troops. my question to you, is the president calling karzai's bluff? >> well, he may well be calling karzai's bluff, but he's also delivering on what the american people want. the american people, you know, after 12 years, want our troops home. nobody, now, can explain to anybody, what we're doing over there, why we should be there, you know, if karzai doesn't want us there, the population, apparently, is more mad us than glad that we're there, if you look at the polling data. it's not clear to me why we should be there. i think people want our troops back home, and this is part of the process. eventually, we're not going to have troops over there. we can't be an occupying force for decade after decade. >> van jones, we watch every day, 6:30 p.m. eastern on "cross fire," and buck sexton, thank you both very much. now to this, an elite team of marines is on its way to ukraine to beef up the security of the embassy in kiev. this after last week's deadly anti-government protest. and what's now expected to be really a turbulent transition to replace the now-deposed president, victor yanukovych. keep in mind, this man is still on the run. he is wanted for mass murder, fleeing his opulent palace, that opened to the public just a day after he took off. former president bill clinton using the unusual situation to get a few laughs. >> you follow what's going on in ukraine? it's the darnedest thing i ever saw. the politicians didn't throw the president out. the people did. they say, this guy is not in it for us anymore. then they went into his presidential residence, which they had privatized for himself. can you imagine what somebody would do if the president or any president tried to say, i think i'll privatize the white house and keep the paintings if it's all the same to you? >> in the absence of viktor yanukovych, the seat for presidency in ukraine and vacant, and former heavyweight boxing champ, vitali klitschko, just announced he's throwing his hat in the ring. the violence may have calmed in ukraine for now, but in venezuela, anti-government protests are becoming deadlier by the day. >> the death toll is now up to 13, and the u.s. is resorting to tit for tat, expelling three venezuelan diplomats in response to the expulsion of three diplomats from venezuela. as for the political chess game happening, look at this, in the streets of caracas, people filled the streets with chaos. they want president nicolas maduro to step down, to leave. but he has strong support from the military, and many of the nation's poor. coming up, ted nugent says his controversial comments are not racist and he's given up on calling people names. but that didn't last very long. we'll show you, and talk to erin burnett, who interviewed him last night. also next, a twitter account claiming to be a fly on the wall at the elevator of goldman sachs, making extra obnoxious comment at the big bank common knowledge. it's a fake, folks. as for the guy behind it, doesn't even work on wall street. a lot ahead in the newsroom. stay right here. s getting out. purina dog chow light & healthy is a deliciously tender and crunchy kibble blend. with 20% fewer calories than purina dog chow. isn't it time you discovered the lighter side of dog chow. purina dog chow light & healthy. ♪ [ male announcer ] a car that is able to see, to calculate, to think -- and can respond to what it encounters. ♪ even if that means completely stopping itself. it's the stuff of science fiction... minus the fiction. the 2014 e-class. see your authorized dealer for exceptional offers through mercedes-benz financial services. this just into us here at cnn. we're now learning that the department of transportation is going to fine aseana airlines, the airline that crashed in san francisco last year, so the d.o.t. is fining them $500,000 for not adhering to the family assistance plan. let's talk to alison kosik, who can explain what this means. alison? >> this really caught our eye, brooke, because this is the first time that the department of transportation has issued a fine under this statute that you mentioned. it was put in place in 1997. and what this law specifically does is really outline specific guidelines that airlines have to follow after a crash. and what d.o.t. is saying, that as aseana didn't provide many of them, including a special phone line for family members to call following the days of the crash. all family members could do was call reservations. you can only imagine what worry these family members were going through. the d.o.t. also says aseana also took three days to contact some family members of the passengers. the airline also failed to send personnel to san francisco to deal with the aftermath and communicate in various languages, spoken by passengers on the flight. now, just keep in mind, aseana did comply with all of this eventually, but it took almost a week. one thing to keep in mind, this $500,000 fine, not huge when you think about the revenue from aseana back in 2012 was reportedly $1 billion. so not a huge fine. i think more of an example that d.o.t. is making of aseana, you know, telling airlines, you've got to comply with this federal law. >> saying, it's not okay to let family members know two, three, four, five days after the fact. alison kosik, thank you. >> sure. you have probably heard about this twitter sensation, this presumed wall street insider. this guy was just checking his twitter feed when 600,000 followers sharing salacious conversations and juicy gossip allegedly heard inside of a goldman sachs elevator. let me show you one tweet to set the tone here. suit number one says, was that an earthquake? suit number two says, no, i just dropped my wallet. it turns out this twitter handle, @gselevator, is a fake, and he has been unmasked. he is john lefevre, and these gossipy tweets were not, in fact, coming from inside a goldman sachs elevator, they were coming all the way from texas. joining me now is cnn money's emily fox. and i see this guy hasn't tweeted since february 16th. what about goldman sachs here? can they take any action? >> well, actually, goldman sachs has been pretty lighthearted in their response to this. they told "the new york times" yesterday that the official ban on elevator chart has the actually been lifted now that the identity has been out there. and for everyone to hear. >> okay, who is this guy, this lefevre? you've interviewed him. isn't he writing a book? >> he is. when i interviewed him back in may, he seemed like he was pretty into all the fame he was amassing on twitter. we talked all about the famous celebrity who is follow him from yahoo!'s marissa meyer to swimsuit model kate upton. and when i most recently spoke to him a few weeks ago, he was really excited about all the publicity his new book deal was bringing him. i haven't been able to reach him since the revelation came out last night, but i would imagine he's still basking in the glow of his internet celebrity for as long as that will last him. >> mm-hmm. emily fox, things not to do. thank you very much. >> thank you. as we mentioned, we've been keeping a close eye on the white house, because the president now speaking. let's take a listen. >> -- is responsible for trimming my trees and potholes in front of my house and shoveling snow. and i haven't been back for a while. i don't know how it's going, but i'm assuming he's handling his business. the mayor of the great city of chicago, rahm emanuel, is here. we've goth phil la joy, the supervisor of canton township, michigan, is here. there he is. good job, phil. and we've got some outstanding members of congress who are h e here. especially someone who just announced that this would be his last term in congress, but is somebody who so many of us have learned from, have admired. he is a man who has every single day of his life, in office, made sure that he was fighting on behalf of people who really needed help and he is going to be very missed. john, you are not just the longest serving member of congress in american history, you're also one of the very best. michigan's own john dingell is here. we are better off because of john's service and we're going to miss him. now, today i am joined by researchers who invent some of the most advanced metals on the planet, designers who are modeling prototypes in the digital cloud, folks from the pentagon, who helped to support their work, basically, i'm here to announce that we're building ironman. i'm going to palast off in a second. this has been a secret project we've been working on for a long time. not really maybe. it's classified. but, keeping america, the cutting edge of technology and innovation is what is going to ensure a steady stream of good jobs into the 21st century. and that's why we're here today, to take new action to put america at the forefront of 21st century manufacturing. now, this is a moment when our economy is growing, and it has been growing steadily for over four years now. our businesses have created about 8 1/2 million new jobs over the past four years. the unemployment rate is the lowest it's been in over five years. our manufacturing sector is adding jobs for the first time since the 1990s. so, there's some good news to report, but the trends that have battered the middle class for decades have become, in some ways, even starker. while those at the top are doing better than ever, average wages have barely budged. too many americans are working harder than ever to barely keep up. and it's our job to reverse those trends. we've got to build an economy that works for everyone, not just a fortunate few. we've got to restore opportunity for all people. that's the essence of america. no matter who you are, where you come from, what you look like, how you started out, if you are willing to work hard and take responsibility, you can get ahead in america. so i've been talking now for months about an opportunity agenda. and let me break it down into four parts. number one, more jobs that pay good wages. jobs in american manufacturing, rebuilding our infrastructure, innovation, energy. number two, training workers with the skills they need to fill those jobs. number three, guaranteed access to a world class education for every child in america. and number four, making sure that hard work pays off. with wages you can live on and savings you can retire on and health insurance you can count on when you need it. now, i'm looking forward to working with congress, wherever they're willing to do something on any of these priorities. and i have to say that the members of congress who are here all care deeply about these issues. >> you can keep watching the president speaking there from the east room, talking about this partnership he's announcing with the private sector to grow jobs, grow the middle class, specifically, in the advanced manufacturing sector. keep watching cnn.com and also a quick little shout-out to john dingell, who has announced he is leave congress after 59 years. longest serving member of congress in the nation's history. coming up, we see the president here. president obama, this morning, actually met with john boehner, speaker of the house, in this rare one-on-one meeting, but in his first public comments, the house speaker already went on the attack. we will play that for you coming up next. plus, former rocker, now political pontificator, ted nugent telling cnn that his sub-human mongrel and chimpanzee comments about president obama were not racist. also saying he was going to stop all the name-calling, but that lasted for a cool 20 seconds. hear what he told erin burnett, coming up. , and you can customize it. i can download anything i want. 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house speaker talking about broken promises, a sucker punch, hours after he met face-to-face with president obama. ted nugent, he says he did not mean for his recent insults against president obama to be taken as racist. that's what he says. but he's not backing off on his criticism as anyone he sees as a political adversary. in this extended interview with erin burnett, he says he should have chosen his recent comments more carefully, yes, but that the president in his view is simply ruining the dun. >> i think the president is intentionally disassembling the greatest quality of life in the history of the world. i believe that he is creating class warfare intentionally to get americans to draw this line in the sand, where i've never seen such political discourse in all my life. and yes, i do apologize for being part of that political discourse, because greater men than myself have advised me that that kind of street language in a volatile interview, as you played earlier, is not appropriate when we're trying to get some upgrade here in america. but i cannot put into adequate terms the condemnation i feel and so many americans feel, that this president's fundamental transformation of this country is, indeed, the destruction of the american dream of being compensated based on being the best that you can be. the concept of social justice and economic equality is true bizar bizarreo. the president's a bad man. i want to make sure that americans are encouraged to be the best that they can be, not to be compensated for not even trying. i really believe history will show that i have been right and the president and cnn was wrong. >> i want to understand, because a lot of people want to understand. and look, i understand, you're saying now, i want to elevate the discussion. a lot of people will say, that's great, if you started to do that. but i want to understand why you used the word "mongrel," when you did, okay? because, obviously, i looked it up in the dictionary, i'm sure you have as well at this point, the definition is a dog of mixture or indeterminant breed, and the only use of the word mongrel in street talk was the aryan membership form, you have to confirm that you're of a certain origin. i agree with aryan's nations' biblical seclusion of jews, negroes or mongrels. >> i've never heard that reference before. i've been a cop in lake county, michigan, since 1982 or thereabouts. i conduct federal raids with the atf and u.s. marshals and fbi and texas rangers. and the heroes of law enforcement. and we're re-arresting fugitive felons who are let out of their cages after murdering and raping and molesting children, carjacking. we keep going after these guys. the adrenaline is something like you'll never experience. i hope you never have to experience it. but when we're done with these kinds of raids, we get together and our hearts are broken that we have to face these monsters. and we call them mongrels. we call bad people who are destroying our neighborhood mongrels. i knew of know racial reference. i think the president is absolutely correct. whites, blacks, hispanics, yellow, red, we're all mongrels, basically, because we're mixed breeds. i concur with that. so i learned something there and i learned something from your research into history. >> wow. erin, that was quite the roller coaster. and you talked -- >> yeah. >> -- for quite a while. >> mm-hmm. >> and i know he apologized, he said he was not being racist, said he was going to back off the whole name calling thing, but do you believe he was sincere? >> i mean, that's the question, brooke. and i think, you know, i guess the context i would put around it is this, ted nugent wants to come on and talk about things he doesn't like about the president, in particular, things that have to do with guns and gun control policy, yet we had an entire interview that went about 15 minutes, and that didn't come up once. the entire interview was, in what context did you use the word chimpanzee, and was about the use of the word, sub-human mongrel, and in further, was about words i'm not going to refer to here, which he called hillary clinton, one of which begins with the letter "c." so a problem for ted nugent, including key republicans, including the front-runner for the governor of texas, which have refused to denounce the statements and refused to say that they won't campaign with him. look, he says that he's not going to use these words again. i find that -- haas hard to believe, because then in the same sentence, he went on and started talking about the president being a liar and engaging in criminal acts. it seems it's very hard for him to keep that to himself. >> you mentioned -- going back to hillary clinton, and this word of which we will not speak, a word that, you know, i don't care who you are, it's a horrible word, it's an offensive word. >> right. >> what did he say when you asked him about that? and were there any apologies there? >> you know, that's -- he didn't directly apologize to hillary clinton, no. but he did -- he just said, that was where he made the moment, he said, you know what, he tried to sort of make light of it, which in the interview, i said, i don't take this lightly and i don't think people watching take this light we, but to make a comment, this is the alamo, and on this date ted nugent says, he'll never call anybody names ever again. that's how he responded specifically to the "c" words and other words he's used to describe hillary clinton. and he brought up bill maher also using the "c" word to refer to sarah palin, which, of course, was utterly inappropriate. the whole point is, it's inappropriate and horrendous no matter who's using it, regardless of your political party. >> i don't know how many times, i guess you've interviewed him in the past, but were you surprised he agreed to come on and to talk for 15 minutes? >> i was, brooke. i have interviewed him before about guns, and as you know, our colleague, deb feyerick, has been down to his average in texas and done extensive reporting on the cult of ted nugent, which is a significant -- he's a significantly influential individual, especially in a poor group of people, who care deeply about gun rights in country, and i was surprised. you know, last week, as you know, he was scheduled to come on the program and he canceled -- >> and he bailed. >> -- a couple of hours before the show, yeah. and then decided he was going to come back on, and he came on, and yes, i was, to be honest, surprised that he did. you know, he clearly felt the pressure that he needed to come on and talk about this more. and when i said, was it greg abbett, rick perry, or anyone in the gop who has said, you've gone too far, you need to dial this back. the answer to that was, categorically, he said, no. it was his wife, his brother, who was going to be on our program tonight, and it was his daughter who said, this is utterly inappropriate and you need to dial it back. >> his daughter. >> his daughter, yeah. >> we played a clip, but i want people, if they want to be able to watch this whole thing with you, go to cnn.com. erin burnett, thank you so much. we watch you every night. >> thank you, brooke. >> "erin burnett outfront," 7:00 eastern only here on cnn. >> see you, brooke. coming up, carrie kennedy in court for her dui, but she's using the so-called sleep driving defense. the question we're asking is, will it work? 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>> you know, i think it could be. being in trial really is about relating to the jury. and i don't live too far from where this trial is taking place. you're talking about westchester county. a lot of soccer moms there. a lot of people that do take multi-pills, take thyroid medication, take ambien, because they have trouble sleeping. i think it could be very credible to a jury that, hey, i didn't mean to drive under the influence. i just took the wrong pill. i actually think in this case, especially if she testifies, barrack, which according to many, she will, i think it could really work out for her. >> and it's sbraegs, because you talking about playing to the jury and the soccer moms, i don't know who the jurors are, but when you have other members of the kennedy family sitting in that courtroom, what kind of impact do you think that's having? >> it always has an impact when there is a family presence behind the defendant, in any case. we're not only talking about a family -- >> not just a family. >> -- we're talking about a famous family, as you mentioned earlier. sort of the royalty of the united states. so so i suspect that these jurors will know ethel kennedy, they'll recognize carrie kennedy, it is the kennedy name. you have to be living under a rock not to know who the defendant is. and i think it's also going to help her. i really do. i suspect that we are not going to have a guilty verdict here. >> sunny hostin, we'll continue watching it. thank you very much. coming up here, this mystery illness in california affecting as many as 20 children with polio-like childre. it has doctors wondering what's happening. coming up next, we'll talk to our chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. 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inspires respect even from space. it's a monster. watch, a super-soaker pummelling california, part of the state looking at streets which have become rivers of mud, debris and families on the move. officials faced with the daunting task with moving the ocean of mud. every day ahead, the rainmaker will be marching east, where winter-weary residents are once again facing a lot of snow and abc meteorologist ginger zee reports from the middle of the storm and the water and the mud in california. >> a long rushing los angeles river. two men and their dogs clinging to this fallen tree. watch as they pull one dog and the next into the boat. so much of the rain merely denting the remarkable drought but coming too much too fast for some. >> we're evacuating, we're getting ready to get everybody out. the mud's coming down, we've got to go. >> reporter: at the foothills of the san gabriel mountains at least 1,000 homes evacuating, intermittent mudslides leaving behind trails of debris. even though a majority of this initial slide came down already, you can see the problem, why the road is closed. this is not road. this is leftover mud, thick throughout the streets. the heaviest rain in almost three years drenching the state with two to six inches already. the winds taking out trees, knocking out power for at least 30,000. just look at that storm, the center, churning through the pacific -- and it's far from done with california, watch the clock on the top bar. heavy bands of rain will pass in and out for the next 48 hours. another three to four inches of rain north of los angeles, adding to what is already more rain in three days than parts of california has seen in the whole last year. now, this same storm is going to rocket east as we head into the weekend. it means snow, cold air. snow and ice for some. you can see the snow totals. six to 12 inches the pink. the last thing a lot of folks want to hear after a very long winter. diane? >> thank you ginger. we begin with the urgent situation overseas in ukraine, there are reports that russian president vladimir putin is moving his troops into that country, and putting the united states and the whole world on a kind of hair-trigger. late today, president obama personally warned, if putin is, there will be costs. abc chief foreign correspondent terry moran reporting now from russia, on the crisis in ukraine as tensions are rising at this hour. >> reporter: vladimir putin made his move in ukraine. at dawn, bands of armed men appeared at the two main airports at crimea and seized control. they wore uniforms with no insignias or identification. their trucks had no license plates. and they spoke russian, not ukrainian. that was the start. tonight, russian troops, hundreds, perhaps as many 2,000 ferried in transport planes have landed at the airports. convoys were seen along the roads. president obama spoke at the white house soon after the russian incursion. >> we are now deeply concerned by reports of military movements taken by russian inside of ukraine. there will be costs for any military intervention in ukraine. >> reporter: in ukraine, a country on the edge of civil war, a war that could drag in russia, europe and even the u.s., these were frightening developments. >> we are on the edge not of the new cold war, but we are on the edge of hot war. >> reporter: the real danger right now is that ukraine is torn between russia on the one hand, so close and so powerful, so bound to it by history and language, and the west on the other side with its promises of freedom, democracy and prosperity. but where the russian forces moved in today, in crimea, russian is the main language. it's home to a huge russian naval base. they welcomed these mass troops. to them, this is still their rightful president. viktor yanukovych, who fled the capital city of kiev, as protesters took over there, he finally appeared in russia, at a raucous press conference and declared, i am ready to fight for the future of ukraine. but tonight, all eyes are on one man -- putin and what he'll do next. terry moran, abc news, moscow. and i want to bring in abc chief white house correspondent jonathan karl, so jon, tell us where we stand at this moment, does the white house believe that russia has invaded ukraine and does that require a military response? >> well, look, the white house is not saying that, the president referred to reports of an invasion, but make no mistake, diane, you wouldn't have seen the president of the united states come out on national television and make a statement like that if he had any reason to doubt that the russian military is behind what we are seeing in ukraine. but there's no discussion of u.s. military involvement. >> but the president talked about response and costs. so, what will happen next? >> they're deeply concerned about this, the president said very clearly there will be costs. you heard that in terry's story. but, look, they haven't specified this. one thing to look for, the russians are hosting a major summit of eight of the top world economies in june, in sochi, russia, the united states could boycott that and so could european nations. that would be big deal to russia. >> first thing may be to isolate him diplomatically more. >> absolutely. >> thank you, jonathan karl. now, a verdict on a big story back here in new york. a smile from kerry kennedy and her family. she was found not guilty of driving while impaired. of knowingly driving under the influence of a sleep aid. members of the kennedy family supported her in court all week. and today, the daughter of robert kennedy had a message for them. >> i want to thank my family and my friends, my mother, ethel kennedy, and my daughters. i'm just very, very grateful that justice was done. >> and by the way, that verdict was unanimous. and also tonight, new tapes putting new heat on new jersey governor chris christie, all because of that traffic jam on the george washington bridge orchestrated by members of his inner circle. for the first time we're going to be able to take you there at the moment it was happening -- as frustrated, frantic people were calling for help. abc's senior national correspondent jim avila with the headline tonight. >> the gw bridge is totally gridlocked. >> stay out of the center of town. >> reporter: 911 tapes released today takes us inside the chaos that was fort lee, new jersey. when top aides of the governor jammed the world's busiest bridge. >> you are aware the town is total gridlock. >> reporter: warning first responders firefighters, police, it is not a normal day within fort lee. >> we're getting calls from irate motorists. >> reporter: the four days from september 9 through 12, now forever known as fort lee's traffic armageddon and chris christie bridgegate. despite that noise, governor chris christie insists he was kept in the dark. one of the influential counties wailing about unbearable traffic, in the middle of his re-election campaign. he insists that he didn't know about those medical emergencies on hold. >> paramedics were notified. she has a head injury. >> you know, it's an emergency and they are not still here. >> they're coming. okay, they're on the way. >> reporter: that's christie palling around with david wildstein, the appointee who ordered up the traffic jam. on the the very day fort lee suffered. neither he nor anyone else on his staff told him what they were doing to the innocent people of fort lee. jim avila, abc news, new york. and next here tonight, an abc news exclusive, every year 1,000 children are abducted by parents and taken overseas, and just this week, a senate panel has promised to help parents fighting to return their children to the united states. so, tonight, we're going to take you inside one of those cases. with the video that broke it open. and we tracked down the mother and two sons at the center of an extraordinary international manhunt. abc's david muir spending months on this trial. david? >> reporter: diane, as you know, this is incredible. 18 months go by, in fact, two dads, two ex-husbands have no idea where their two beloved boys are, when suddenly a piece of evidence breaks the case wide open. you're about to see those stunning images. and tonight, right here on "world news," you'll hear from the fugitive mother herself as we track her down. >> okay, once upon a time -- >> reporter: this is the story of two beautiful little boys. two brothers. like so many children across america tonight, they are boys who try to push the limits at bedtime. this is jerry. >> it's time to go to bed. >> no, it's not. it's not time to go to bed. >> yes, it is. it's almost 8:30. >> well, guess what, no. >> reporter: and then there's sasha, laughing here as he jumps on the trampoline. but the laughter from both boys goes silent. they vanish. leaving on a summer vacation with their mother, they never come back. in california, two different fathers, both once married to that woman, heartbroken over their boys. for 18 months, both of them asking, where are their sons? for months now, we've been documenting their international hunt. >> jerry is everything to me. without him, i can't live. i can't breathe. >> can you hear his voice still? >> oh, of course. it's strange because i feel like i'm with him all the time, except he's not here. >> reporter: they rely on tips from perfect strangers all over the world. we follow the leads. many are a bust. and then the biggest clue of all. look at this. the stunning video. the boys playing at a resort in slovakia, caught on tape more than a year after they disappeared. their mother right there in those orange shorts. and what's most startling to the fathers is how they look. their long hair. one of the boys in pigtails. and that's sasha to the left? >> that's sasha in the pigtails disguised as a girl in the yellow shirt. >> reporter: the fathers show us the video, the tip from a stranger, the international dragnet now tightening. but we wanted to hear from maria ourselves. could we find her? we drive through geneva to the address. we knock. there's no answer. suddenly maria, who's now ready to speak with us do you think about them every moment? >> every second. >> reporter: she tells me that she's lost without them. >> i love them more than my life. >> so why leave? why take the boys and run? >> i didn't run. i left on a family vacation. i just didn't return. >> reporter: she just didn't return, she tells me. and just hours from now, on "20/20" she'll reveal why she didn't return. and we asked about the pigtails, the video, the disguises and where the boys are now. diane, this all comes on the same week there are hearings to help parents. >> again, a reminder to everyone, david's full report will be on tonight, a special "20/20," on the run, at 10:00 p.m. eastern. don't miss it. and next here tonight, something happening this weekend, a test across the country about faith and movie fans. will a brand-new movie about jesus roar to the top of the box office and deliver a message to hollywood? here's abc's steve osunsami. who says everyone is watching what happens. >> what is his name? >> jesus. >> reporter: hollywood for the faithful. it's the film churches across the country are sending families to see this evening, renting out entire theaters, more than 500,000 tickets are already sold for "son of god." this version of the greatest story ever told comes exactly ten years after the release of the much more graphic "passion of the christ." both films embraced by christians but side by side, "son of god" centers more on the idea of god's love than christ's suffering. this pastor told me that this is a smiling jesus. >> when you start trying to portray that on film, i can't even imagine how complex and complicated that is. >> reporter: produced by actress roma downey and her husband mark burnett, they say they stuck close to scripture, the film was shot in morocco. the story never gets tired. from jesus of nazareth. >> as long as i am in the world, i am the light of the world. >> reporter: to the recent hit miniseries "the bible," son of god is actually edited from its footage. the satanic figure that many felt too closely resembled president obama, has been cut from the film. the producers say their message is love. steve osunsami, abc news, atlanta. and up next right here tonight -- march madness. the basketball game that erupted into mayhem on the court, the call tonight to change the rules when it comes to celebrating a win, is a crackdown coming on the fans? 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and without our "person of the week," would we have fallen in love with e.t., the scrawny extraterrestrial? try it. here are some kids with bikes trying to go to the sky. and here it is, with the music that made us feel like flying in our dreams. >> they lift off the earth and fly over the moon and we buy it. we just accept it, the end result gave it kind of an operatic quality. it's a fabulous scene. >> reporter: and in a sense john williams is an interpreter of our shared american hopes, our shared american fears. imagine for a moment that you had to come up with the sound of a primordial juggernaut, something that could not be stopped? would you have done this? two notes in "jaws" setting up a whole story. >> for me, the two-note pounding, not heartbeat, but a force in nature that we are powerless to change or alter. >> reporter: five notes in "close encounters." >> i got up to 200 or 300 of these bloody things and kept playing them for steven. we couldn't decide what it should be. so we said, "we got to choose one." you know, the time has come. >> reporter: music that seems inevitable now. down deep at the level of meaning, still inside an 82-year-old composer who writes every day. >> i can't get there fast. i got to work to get it. to earn it. the essential thing seems to be getting something on paper and even if it's bad, discard it the next day, but do something every day. >> reporter: do it and believe that everything around you is sending you a song. >> i've always felt that there's more music in trees than there is anywhere else. i'm not the first composer that ever said that. i think elgar was the one that said, "the trees are singing my song, or am i singing theirs?" >> and singing ours, and so we choose john williams and you can watch the oscars, of course, live right here on abc this sunday. and we thank you for watching all week. we're always here at abcnews.com. remember, "20/20" tonight. david muir's special report and he'll be in the chair all weekend. i'll see you again on monday. good night. rainy day traffic at the golden gate bridge the bay area gets a healthy dose of wet weather. >> the peninsula took the brunt of the first wave. >> east bay got dumped on as well. here is a flooded neighborhood in pitsberg. >> the most-encouraging image may thb one. res voirz are finally filling up. good evening. we do rick like to see that. >> let's begin with a look at live doppler 7 hd. spencer? >> yes. live on the roof for just a moment i was dry, excuse me, just started to rain again. put up the umbrella. taking a look at current conditions we've got showers around the bay area. some are locally heavy. and beyond. moving inland. and in the east bay near hayward areas of showers and locally heavy showers in that system. pulling back to give you a wider view, you can see a big storm off shore that is wrapping thundershowers out around the bay area, taking a look at the 24 hour rainfall total we've had a soaking at mount st. helena. over an inch in concord. nearly an inch in san jose. there is more on the way. animation start agent 7:00 this evening shows bands of showers coming into the bay area maybe a thunderstorm or two. i'll give you a look in just a moment. >> spencer, thank you very much we have live team storm watch coverage tonight from throughout the bay area, people in the south bay and damage in the east bay. let's begin in march yint county. wayne? >> we've seen all kinds of weather today. we're standing here new with the
first we want to bring you the latest information on flight 370. in the last hour we've learned that france is sending investigators to malaysia today to help sift through the clues. a top military official in india says that country has temporarily ended its search for the plane while malaysia reviews the massive deployments from 25 countries. the search area now covers large areas of land including extremely remote regions. crews are looking along two corridors, one to the south, the other to the north, reaching all the way um to kazakhstan. authorities say they're examining a flight simulator taken from the home of the pilot. a u.s. official tells cnn u.s. intelligence is leaning toward the theory that the pilots are responsible. satellite signals picked up on flight 370 for seven hours after the last contact with the pilots. but malaysian officials announced today it is possible the last satellite contact could have come from the plane on the ground. atika shubert joins us live from kuala lumpur. what are malaysian officials saying about this last satellite contact? >> reporter: well, what they're basically sii isaying is is it possible to have received the last contact with the plane on the ground. basically if its main communication was up and it was on it would still be able to transmit that, whether it was on the air or on the ground. that might give hope to family members that perhaps the plane landed but it doesn't give us any indication yet about what happened to the plane or where exactly it is. this is why the malaysian government is making an appeal to 25 countries to help them get as much information as they can including satellite images, radar data. and remember, as you pointed out, this is some of the most remote parts of the world that they're looking at. an area that stretches from north to kazakhstan covering everything from the himalayas, myanmar, china. a huge, expansive area to be cover and it's going to be difficult to coordinate all these different countries in the search. it really is like looking for a need until a haystack. >> that is indeed the case. what are investigators saying about this flight simulator that was taken from one of the pilot's homes? >> well, the captain, zaharie ahmed shah, was such an -- such a passion for aviation that friends say he built his own homemade simulator of the 777. something apparently he constructed himself with software. we don't have that many details about it. what we do know from a senior police source who just told us who's very close to the investigation has said the police are still working on it but haven't found anything conclusive yet. obviously one of the things they will be looking for is any clues as to why the flight might have deviated from its path, was this pass run before on a simulator. these are all things police will be looking at, but so far nothing conclusive. >> so, atika, our officials intimidaerim mating these simul have a time of memory and that possibly of all those scenarios you just spelled out, if that pilot were looking into those things, practicing on any number of things, that it might be in the memory bank of that simulator even though it was home built. >> reporter: it's a possibility that they're looking at. but i do have to point out even though the focus is now on both the pilot and the co-pilot, they are also looking at the rest of the crew, all the passengers on the plane to see whether anybody else had aviation experience and also ground crew. they say this is also possible, somebody who helped to get that plane up in the air may have had something to do with this diverted flight path. not just the pilot theys ear looking at but obviously since they had the most experience flying the plane, it's logical they would focus on them first. >> atika shubert, thanks so much from kuala lumpur. we'll check with you later. back to the states and the pentagon where u.s. officials told our barbara starr the focus is now on, quote, those in the cockpit in the flight's disappearance. i want to bring in barbara starr for more on that. barbara, what they're saying is not too different from what malaysian authorities are insinuating? >> reporter: i think that's right, fredricka. as atika was just pointing out, it's a logical theory, hypothesis that they're moving towards across several agencies of the u.s. government that are working with the malaysians, that are familiar with the technical analysis of the data that they do have in hand. no facts yet. you know, nothing is proven and certainly nothing against any members of the crew or the passengers because nobody knows what happened. but if you begin to rule certain things out, it may be what you're left with, we're told. you know, there was that deliberate turn to the left, electronic systems were cut off. these are the kind of things that appear to be very deliberate actions by someone who has considerable flight expertise. that is leading them very much to look at the pilot, to look at the co-pilot, and as we saw yesterday malaysian authorities went to the homes of both men to search them. so this is something that several parties led by the malaysians are looking into. >> and so that is the criminal investigation, but of course there's also the accident investigation. what kind of assets is the u.s. kind of devoting to helping to look for that plane? >> well, it's the same problem now that, you know, when you put the map up and you look at the thousands, hundreds of thousands of square miles from central asia to the southern indian ocean this is an overwhelming challenge. how do you find it. the u.s. navy is searching the waters from about the islands south at this point. they have pretty much left the bay of bengal area. they're looking at all of that. they have a ship. they have helicopters. they have maritime surveillance aircraft which can see long distances, looking for any anomalies on the water, anything that might be a debris field. they are also going back one more time looking at all of their satellite and radar data from central asia where the u.s. does monitor activity. it does not in the indian ocean. looking at central asia one more time, but so far they say their own satellite and radar data simply isn't showing them anything. >> and that satellite data could potentially show them where a plane might be in a place that it shouldn't be, or are we talking about satellite data that would help i guess corroborate with that most recent art of the possible directions the plane may have gone? >> well, i think if you assume that they pretty much settled on this arc as the potential possible path of the plane, with what they're looking for now is any so-called signature, any imagery from a satellite that would show an infrared image perhaps of a crash site, would show a plane landing at an airfield, though that is very unlikely that would not be noted. or additional radar signatures that would show it passing by any of the potentially hundreds of commercial and military traffic control radars in that regi region. but i think what u.s. officials believe about this northern track is the plane first would have had to have crossed some countries' coastline with nobody noticing it on their radars. those are all countries that do have radars on their coastlines. so first it has to cross a coastline. then it has to travel perhaps some distance inside one of those countries, still not be noticed. this is one of the challenges of that hunt, officials are saying, is that logical, is that probable, where do you begin to look. >> that's the stuff that just doesn't make sense. how is it that so many countries could miss. one country possibly missing but how could so many miss a plane as big as this 777. thanks so much, barbara starr. appreciate that. keep us posted. so the u.s. has deployed several assets to the area in hopes of helping find the malaysia flight 370. the search for the missing jet is being followed closely in washington. let's bring in candy crowley, anchor of "state of the union." this morning you spoke with an expert about the black boxes, the flight data recorders. what kind of information would they need for that? >> here's what's interesting to me, fredricka, and that is that when i talk to any number of experts and say what one thing do you really want right now and they say those data boxes, used to call them black boxes but they're not, they're orange, but they have the recordings of what was said in the cockpit and they have other data about what was going on with the instruments in the cockpit. those are the ones that people are always searching the ocean floor for, you know, the boxes, the data boxes will tell us something. so i put it to a former member of the national transportation safety board, and i said if these -- whoever did this and was sophisticated enough to cut off two communication systems on the plane, could they have also cut off these data boxes. and here's what one had to say. >> it is possible to make them not work. and a knowledgeable crew could interrupt the electrical power to the circuitry and cause the box to stop. they would have to know the location of the circuit break, and off the top of my head, i don't remember where it is, if it's in the cockpit or down debelow in the electrical power center. but it is possible in flight to get to the circuit breakers and to interrupt the power. >> so i have to tell you, fred rhee kashgs i talked to another expert shortly after that who said i actually don't think it's possible to interfere with those data boxes. but another thing about it is that the noise that these data boxes emit so that you can find them in cases such as this have about a 30-day life span. so time's awasting as they say. we're eight days into this. so that's what a lot of the -- obviously they're looking for plane wreckage, any sign of human remains or anything but to know what happened, the experts are all wanting to find those data boxes. >> right. i understand with the ping, the life span of the ping, that pinging device to try and locate wreckage is usually about 30 days. so we'll find out more if that applies still in this case. meantime, you spoke with a doctor who tests pilots for fitness, mental and physical. what did you learn from dr. unger? >> that pilots across the world have different standards for what is -- does the physical test include, the mental test include. and you have to look at the kinds of medication that a pilot is taking. might that have altered mood. is this pilot depressed. much is put on the physical, you know. is their heart strong enough, is there any physical difficulties here. but he said increasingly other countries are looking to u.s. standards on how we test our pilots, how regularly you do that. but the fact of the matter is something like a depression or some cognitive problem, you know, can start just after you've had a physical. so he obviously stressed the importance of having these mental exams as well but not every country requires them or every airline requires them of their pilots. so as they're looking in that cockpit that's certainly something that's going to come up, but, you know, it tells us several times, you know, it's not just the pilots they're looking at, it's anybody that touched that plane, loaded bags, loaded anything onto it. they're looking at them as well. >> clearly everyone suspect at this point. it is just that mysterious. all right. thank you so much. candy crowley, appreciate it. host of "state of the union." the families and the loved ones of those on board this missing plane are simply furious with the investigation. some of them accuse malaysian officials of lying to them. listen. they are outraged. one man even trying to punch an official. we check in with the families next. ♪ [ chicken caws ] [ male announcer ] when your favorite food starts a fight, fight back fast with tums. heartburn relief that neutralizes acid on contact and goes to work in seconds. ♪ tum, tum tum tum tums! heartburn relief that neutralizes acid on contact they're the days to take care of business.. when possibilities become reality. with centurylink as your trusted partner, our visionary cloud infrastructure and global broadband network free you to focus on what matters. with custom communications solutions and responsive, dedicated support, we constantly evolve to meet your needs. every day of the week. centurylink® your link to what's next. 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if so, stand up. and we saw more than half of the room standing up. the general consensus is that information coming out of these daily briefings is quite thin and there's just so much frustration as these family members say precious time has been lost. pauline chiou, cnn, beijing. new theories on the disappearance of the malaysian airlines jet, details on that next. and we're also follow iing the story of the day, the crimean vote to join russia. back after this. ♪ humans -- even when we cross our "t's" and dot our "i's," we still run into problems. that's why liberty mutual insurance offers accident forgiveness with our auto policies. if you qualify, your rates won't go up due to your first accident. because making mistakes is only human, and so are we. we also offer new car replacement, so if you total your new car, we give you the money for a new one. call liberty mutual insurance at... and ask us all about our auto features, like guaranteed repairs, where if you get into an accident and use one of our certified repair shops, your repairs are guaranteed for life. so call... to talk with an insurance expert about everything that comes standard with our base auto policy. and if you switch, you could save up to $423. liberty mutual insurance. responsibility. what's your policy? all right. back to our continuing coverage of the disappearance of malaysian airlines flight 370. here's the latest we have. a short time ago we learned that france is sending investigators to malaysia today to help sift through the clues. a top military official in india says that country has temporarily ended its search for the plane while malaysia reviews the massive deployments from 25 countries now. the search area now covers large areas of land including extremely remote regions. crews are looking along two corridors, one to the south, the other to the north, reaching all the way up to kazakhstan. authorities say they are examining a flight simulator taken from the home of the pilot. a u.s. official tells cnn u.s. intelligence is leaning toward the theory that the pilots are responsible. satellite signals picked up on flight 370 for seven hours after the last contact with the pilots. but la major leagu but malaysian officials say the last contact could have come from the plane on the ground. moving now to ukraine where there is less than one hour left for people in the crimea region to cast a critical vote on their future. they're voting on a referendum to join russia or effectively become an independent state, and it has sparked turmoil across ukraine. pro-russian supporters stormed the prosecutor's office in one city in eastern ukraine. they broke down doors and they rushed to the balcony to tear down the ukrainian flag and wave instead a russian flag. there you see it there. michael holmes live now from the crimean region. so, michael, what has it been like today? >> reporter: yeah. hi, fred. yeah, we're in the regional capital of crimea. we've had words from the prime minister of crimea, the controversially appointed prime minister of crimea, that preliminary results will be announced pretty quickly, perhaps an hour after the closing of polls. right here in lenin square in the center of the city you can probably hear a concert is under way celebrating the very predictable results on this referendum. you see a very pro-russian crowd as the crowd swelling down below and now amongst that crowd is our nick paton walsh, who join us now. nick, gives us a sense of what it's like down there. >> reporter: there is a remarkable scene of celebration here. we're about 40 minutes away from the polls closing and about an hour-plus until we hear those preliminary results. no real doubt as to what they're going to say, that crimea has voted to become part of russia. that's what we anticipate, and very little could get in the way of that result unless the government decides they don't want it, because frankly we haven't had much of a contest here. there has been a very homogeneous tribe here. we've simply heard from the pro russian movement saying why the referendum should push crimea into the russian federation. but desite the mixture of russian and crime indian flags,e expecting a rock concert perhaps later on, the prime minister of crimea was asked to come down and make some of the announcements itself, you have to bear in mind that this remarkable victory for the de facto governments at the polls are made possible because of the 2,500 russian troops that according to the crimean defense ministry have swoel sboon crimea at this point. so while this is a clearly well-organized display of public endorsement, the idea of becoming part of the russian federation, you have to bear in mind -- >> sorry. we lost that signal with nick paton walsh and michael holmes also in that same city. and of course all this taking place now and just an hour to go before preliminary results are in on that referendum on whether crimea will join russia. much more on that later on. meantime, back to the investigation involving that missing airplane. the focus of the investigation is zeroing in on the pilots of missing flight 370. what happened in that cockpit? 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apparently investigators have collected it. they're going to be examining it. what are they looking for in that simulator? >> i suppose, fredricka, that what they're looking for is a scenario that might match what little they know about the actual flight itself essentially a reher shall or a dry run or some indication on there that somehow this was being rehearsed. that may likely be a microsoft flight simulator program which you or i could buy at the computer store. it's certainly that i have one on a flight simulator that i have. but i suspect that what they're looking for to see if it's there is something that may, in fact, suggest that what happened on this flight was rehearsed. it certainly makes sense to look at any possible lead. but i suspect i wouldn't read too much into the fact that the pilot had a flight simulator. >> right. because i was going to say at the start it's not necessarily that suspicious that someone, an experienced pilot would have a simulator. apparently many do have them in their homes. so that's not reason enough to be suspicious of this pilot. right? >> i absolutely agree. i remember years ago an faa inspector that i worked with said that he gave a flight check to a then-twa pilot and he said that the pilot was so good that he must have had a flight simulator in his basement. and it actually turned out that he did have a flight simulator in his basement because he had a passion for aviation, he was consumed with aviation, and it was just something that he did. so i don't think we can read too much into the fact that this captain had a flight simulator. a lot of kids have flight simulators on their computers. this captain's was a little more extravagant because he was really into it. >> mm-hmm. and so, mary, is it possible or likely that investigators would start looking into place where people might learn to be pilots, schools? isn't it the case you have to be a fairly experienced pilot to know how to fly a 777, how to turn off the transponder? is it likely that investigators would start trying to look at schools, places where people may have, you know -- learn some instruction and try to get some information based on that, looking for people, any names matching up on that air flight? recall 9/11 those that hijacked did go to a flight school in florida and that helped investigators kind of connect the dots. do you see that applying to this case? >> i do, but i also think they ought to look within malaysia airlines too. and by the way, on the flight simulator, the other thing you might be looking for is this captain had to have help. in the scenario that they're painting is really what they're going with, there were multiple people, they went down in the electronics bay, et cetera, they would also look to see if he was training anyone else on that simulator because they would have to coordinate and train together. i agree with mark, i have one of those at my house, too, and my kids messed on it and tried to learn to fly in the garage. so i don't think that makes so much of a difference. but by spreading out their net they're going to be looking for others in malaysia air that mip helped. they'll be looking at other pilots that might have trained on a 777. they'll be looking at any kind of problems, unrest, people who were disgruntled, and in doing that they're going to expand the net pretty far. but it's a pretty small group of people who are expert 777s. >> it's understandable why family members are so frustrated, they're not getting information, they don't have their loved ones, and people are really feeling like malaysian authorities are keeping information close, they are not trusting authorities. do you see this as relatively understandable, or do you think malaysian authorities are not divulging enough or is it they just don't have the information to divulge? >> i'm completely sympathetic with these families. i think the malaysian government from day one on this has not handled this properly in terms of the release of information. but i just wanted to go back to something that mark and mary said. you know, while it's interesting that they have flight simulators in their home, and i've played with them from time to time myself, none of us are active boeing 777 pilots. i think what's very interesting here, and we haven't really touched on this, is that this airplane crossed the malaysian peninsula on military radar with complete impunity. if they flew from the east coast to the west coast, that was something that had to be practiced. the plane flew, it's been called an erratic course, they actually flew very skilled waypoints until they came to the fork many the road where all contact was lost and we have the north corridor and the south corridor. but to get that kind of precision, you have to practice. >> are you saying because they were under radar or they simply were overlooked? >> they weren't under radar. when the transponder and the acar systems were turned off, we have the last communication and they turned around, the military radar actually tracked this airplane on its primary radar. they got little bit of hits over to the west coast. and the point is that's a relatively sophisticated radar environment. how do you elude that kind of radar? malaysia had quick response aircraft that could have intercepted that airplane which clearly shouldn't have been in that spot. so -- >> okay. hold it right there, arthur, because i want to continue this conversation with all three of you. a short break and when we come back, let's talk about why malaysia's military didn't dispatch its f-18s and f-5s to go after a plane that may have gone through their air space. i reckon a storm's a brewin'. reckon so. reckon you gotta hotel? reckon, no. reckon priceline express deals will get you a great deal. wherever you...mosey. you reckon? we reckon. vamonos the spring hotel sale is on at priceline.com. save up to 60% on any express deal hotel, when you use code: spring '14. i reckon this is one deal you won't want to miss. 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[ female announcer ] plan your seven-day cruise from just $549. call your travel agent or 1-800-princess. all right. ten days and still no word on what happened to malaysia flight 370. let's bring back our panel of experts, arthur rosenberg in new york, mary schiavo in charleston, south carolina, and mike dumbroff. why wouldn't malaysia's military react to flight 370 flying in its spare space and off its beijing-bound track? are you suggesting malaysia was not just negligent but perhaps even complicit? >> no, i'm not going that far. what i'm suging is if you look at the north route that this plane, one of the projected paths this plane took and you combine it today with the request from malaysian authorities for 25 countries to submit radar data, when you put this all together it becomes very telling, and it tells a story that there are holes, there are dark spots, blind spots in the radars of these various nations. last night we were discussing some of the radar capabilities of india and some of the surrounding countries. and one of your security correspondent guests was talking about the fact that he had been to several radar facilities that supposedly were doing what they were supposed to do and they didn't work. so what i'm suggesting here is we know -- what are the facts? we know after the acar system went down the transponder was turned off, the last communication this plane made a 180-degree turn, basically. it flew back across the malaysian peninsula. they have military radar which tracked this airplane. they have primary radar hits until they got to the west coast of malaysia. at that point we have the north and the southbound route. now, how could that happen? >> yeah. >> well, "the new york times" reported today that there were four radar controllers, military controllers kwhorp responsible for that, whether they were sleeping on the job, whether they couldn't appreciate the significance of a primary hit remains to be seen and analyzed. but the point is the plane flew across the peninsula with impunity and was not intercepted or stopped. >> so, mark, what do you make of that? "the new york times" is reporting that within hours the military got wind of the fact that this plane had suddenly lost contact and it had been play flying into its air space. if it's within hours why wouldn't those f-5s, f-18s be up in the air looking for that plane as opposed to waiting nearly an entire day later before comprehensive search crews are sent out? >> you know, i don't know the answer and i'm not going to speculate. there's too much speculation. we're now speculating about speculation. but let me say this, fredricka. i represented the united states in connection with the korean airlines shootdown by the soviet union. and there was all sorts of speculation about what the air force controllers in alaska knew, when they knew it, why didn't it do various things and so forth. and there were all sorts of national security issues involved, but it didn't stop people from speculating. that's what's going on now. there is such speculation. we're doing a disservice to the investigation. maybe some of these things are true. maybe all of these things are true. but all we're doing by effectively acting as talking heads in this regard irrespective of our qualifications is we're fueling speculation, in a large measure fueling hysteria. we saw the families, and i just think it's just not appropriate for us to be doing something like this in this regard. >> okay. mary, i know you have a comment on this. i'd love to hear from you on whether this really is a potential distraction. we have to take a short break. when we come back, let's pick it up. you have storms in your area so i hope we don't lose our signal, ma mary. 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>> no. you know, i think it was edison who said he had -- you know, before he came up with the light bulb he came up with a thousand ways not to make the light bulb. by prime minister's statement, and i can commiserate with malaysia because we were in the same position after september 11th, 2001, and i he had a statement, and i'm paraphrasing, but he said, look, when accused of a cover-up, he said, we've just laid bear and told the world some of our security shortcomings. we are taking a security risk in saying this. so i think what he was saying is they simply weren't, they didn't have the radar coverage and didn't have the eyes on the sky that people expected to think. and it was the same thing with us after september 11th. people assumed that we had our eyes on the sky, that we had good airport security, that we were doing all these things and really weren't. so i think the prime minister of malaysia was giving us a pretty big hint that by calling in these other countries, he was pretty much saying, and i'm sure he'll take political flak for it, that they weren't on their toes and didn't have their best defenses on. so i think that's why we don't have to guess what happened. he pretty much gave us the clue. and by calling in these other countries and literally the eyes of the world with this project to try to find any satellite data to give us a clue, i actually like that they are doing it. it is rather open to say, look, we need help. our radar wasn't so good. so to me it's encouraging. and i don't see any problem with calling on everyone to come up with theories and try to help sort this out, because in reality, that's what we do when we investigate. we try out different theorys to say what possibly makes sense. and as september 11th came forward -- >> what's interesting here, we talk about, and arthur, you underscored this, 25 countries now sub submitting radar data. yand a and pakistan are saying according to radar data there was no evidence of flight 370. so those two countries at least are saying they don't see it, they don't have record of it. so arthur, is that satisfactory to you, or are we talking about just simply there are flaws in the system globally as it pertains to the aviation system. and while the prime minister of malaysia is saying, okay, we missed a few things, we are not perfect, is that really the case globally and that kind of thing underscored by what mary is saying? >> no, i agree with mary. i think what we are talking about is a plausible scenario to fit a given set of facts. but in terms of the global monitoring capability, this global radar capability, it really doesn't exist. each country has its own air space. it's own sovereign air space. each country has its own radar capability, but just to steer us back a little bit, the families of the people on this airplane, i think were given a little bit of a disservice in terms of the way the malaysian government handled this, but in terms of the capability of the malaysian military and not seeing this airplane, even though india and pakistan have now said, well, we have looked at our radar, i don't know that they turn the radar over to be analyzed by the experts and we don't see flight 370 going through our air space, that doesn't mean that another route, which this pilot, whoever was piloting the plane, may have practicing to try to e have a it the radar of these countries. >> we'll have to leave it there and resume this conversation later this afternoon. thank you so much to all of you. appreciate it, arthur, mary and mark, appreciate it. flight 370 is one of the biggest mysteries in aviation history. next, we'll look at the other big mysteries on the recordbooks. why we are so drawn to the unknown. 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western education. i captured your girls. i'll sell them in the market. there is a market to sell people. god commended me to sale. >> amy, what is going on? >> hi, sean. it is a warped ideology, boca haram says he loves killing people what alah tells him to do so. it a terrorist organization that prays off poverty where 2/3rds of the people live on about $1.25 a day and in the country where corruption is ripe. people are furious that not enough seems to have been done to find the kidnapped girls and bring them to safety. it has been three weeks and with the warning that they will be sold as slaves, wives, on a market, nigerians are horrified. the united states is sending a team to advice the government how to find the girls and bring them to safety. they are not planning on staging the rescue mission. that is for the nigerians. the british and french are sending teams. boca haram is increasingly violent with links to al qaeda franchises. this is the first real brush nigeria had with terrorism on an international scale. oil-rich nigeria is africa's richest economy. the hunt is on and they are still brazenly carrying out their campaign of terror. they raided a village and killed well over 100 people, chopping, shooting, taking advantage when the local police had gone to hunt for the girl whose are believed to be in a vast dense and remote forest. sean? >> thank you, amy. very disturbing. with more, lieutenant colonel bill and lieutenant journal thomas. i think this is a good thing for the people that say never say a good thing about obama, i have questions why we don't do other things. we can't be the world's policeman but this is a guy that's a terrorist, threatening to sale, wonder the they are raped, there is 50 that have escaped. they are in a paralaos position and i like the fact we're involved. >> sean, you're right about one thing. the fact they grabbed the girls and put them in the international spotlight, they healed over 10,000 people. the girl thing with the young students next to the big one. i think we'll put a lot of intelligence in there to help the nigerians determine where they areme. i don't think the nigh gear gear yins are up to it. i don't think they can run a rescue operation. i don't think we have drones and at some point we might and take out the leadership. >> what do you know about boca haram? >> they are unstructured, they have qualified fighters among the group but the leadership is spread out, although there is clearly the one central leader. they don't go to formation and march. they are not in good communications. they are a ruthless gang without being confronted and whether or not they can stand the challenge of a true military engagement remains to be seen and that's in our advantage to the nigerians and u.s., british and french that play over there. >> one problem with so many hostages, their lives are at risk if there is a rescue operation. they might have a plan to kill the kids. very difficult, delicate military maneuver. if the united states goes in, i want them to go in full bore because they probably have the greatest chance of being successful. >> the brits and french are very capable. >> and israelis. >> and israelis. we probably won't get them because they have other challenges. we need global hawks because they have the range and they will have to proposition predators or reapers that can give a full motion video picture, but we're going to need those assets and we should send our special force teams over there as soon as we can. the nigerians cannot handle it, particularly when you have 280 girls out there still, 53 have escaped but >> well, that's why i think we need some special ops teams in there and that would mean jay was involved, as well as nigerians but i said it is important to have the brits and french with us. they are very capable and a combined force like that has the best chance of success, sean, and it's important that we step up to it right away than have a team of fbi investigators over there advising. we need more than advisors. >> all right. and if i can go back to you colonial, duncan hunter was on the air last night here on fox and talking about what about for example a marine being held in a mexican jail. roll this tape. >> what this shows me mostly is the entud of john kerry. you can't stop putin and can't get a form erma rein oer marine mexican jail. i don't think kerry has the power to do anything. we'll appeal to the mexican attorney general to expedite the case so he doesn't have to wait until may 25th for the next hearing. >> i'm about helping the girls and helping nigeria and the mothers and fathers but sometimes we don't do enough for american citizens held and i would bring up the issue of benghazi. tea these families don't have answers in america and we've been lied to. >> first of all, the fact that we can't do something for that marine in mexico shows we don't have a good relationship. they wouldn't have this guy inside a safe place where he's not being attack by other people and benghazi, they picked the bulldog of all bulldogs to be on that, to head that committee there -- >> we'll have more on that. >> all right. one thing i want to add to this, the issue of the law comes up. this is an issue we talked about at length, the way woman machen treatedarabia. they can't drive a car or go out without a male family member. they must cover themselves. hollywood, jay leno, ellen degenerous have spoken out against the owner ship of the hotel in hollywood and i want to show you a piece. >> what year is this? 1814? come on, people. it's 2014. people are being kidnapped and sold and we sit around, evil flourishes when good people do nothing. there is nothing extreme happening. these aren't crazy femininests. >> i like jay leno. we've been on this over a decade. talking about gays and lesbians, why is hollywood silent up until now? >> that's a good question. i'm delighted they are. the law is part of an ideology when you talk about it and look what it does to women, demeans them, murders them, stones them and hollywood has never said anything to this day. i say congratulations jay leno and your friends, pick up what sean hannity and us have been pushing for the last ten years. >> guys, good to see you both and i agree. welcome to the party. the entire world, every liberal ought to stand with conservatives about the treatment of women, human rights and how oppressive it is. good to see you. coming up, will democrats boycott the benghazi select committ committee. and after years of silence monica lewinsky surfaced and conspiracy theories start spinning and speaking of the clinton family, you may want to watch this. >> what is your guilty pleasure? 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[ laughter ] >> after the impeachment. >> yeah. >> up until the time i reported she's crazy, a nut job. >> the nut attack. >> the attack. >> once it became clear that she was telling the truth that there was the dna, then it was much more damage control. so it was definitely a period -- >> you agree -- i want to hear you say you agree that the clinton's mo for all of his shenanigans was to attack the women brutally? >> let's get more broadly. that was just clinton. they had their own enemies list, that's what they do. >> that's an honest assessment. why then do the clintons get away with it? we keep hearing the war on women and mitt romney has binders of women's resumes. >> they are liberal. they advance the causes that these people like when bill maher calls a woman the c-word it's okay because he's on their side. so it is ranked hypocrisy is what it is. i think her coming out was more a shot at hilary and maybe a shotout to the big dog, bill clinton because the guy is charming, he's a little older but richer -- >> but we're talking, juanita claimed rape and kathleen went to a friend for help and thrown up against the wall, paula jones, pants go down, kiss it. this is the abuser they are describing. >> right, a complete dog. >> he gets a pass. he's the most loved guy in the democratic party today. >> monica lewinsky, people are speculating to the timing of the "vanity fair" piece and hillary clinton signed off. maybe this woman is trying to get out in front of this as hillary clinton potentially launches her campaign. her life has been turned upside down. she talks about how she considered suicide, that she can't find work today because of her history. but i don't know that hilary would sign off on a piece in which she says she was troubled by hillary clinton's impulse to blame the woman. i mean, she really, to your point, bernie was going after hilary and talked about how hilary called her -- >> wait a minute -- >> consecutive -- >> why is that too far? >> why do you have to imply a conspiracy involving the former first lady -- >> wait a minute, why did hillary clinton -- >> do you think monica lewinsky picks up the phone -- >> silently and watched these women one after another get abused by the machine. >> you congratulated me for giving the appraisal. >> a moment of weakness. >> and take the next step and say aliens made her do it. >> i'll throw this out. why is hilary, why didn't hillary clinton at some point, the champion of women's rights say leave these women's character alone? >> what about her love for her husband? >> that's bs. >> you don't think she loves -- >> they are control freaks no doubt but the idea they colluded with "vanity fair". >> i'm not buying the conspiracy. >> thank you. >> everything that comes out of her mouth will hurt the clintons like a drip, drip, drip -- >> oh, geez. >> seminil observation -- >> i lost it. >> this new "vanity fair" piece, she burned the burr ray, burned the dress and looking -- >> i don't fault her. that's her choice. god bless her. the fact that she stood by and watched these women get smeared and attacked, james you drag a dollar through a trailer park? really? that's how you treat a woman with a lawsuit. he lost his law license. >> who? >> bill clinton. >> he lost it. >> he purgered himself. >> he lied in a civil deposition -- >> called perjury. >> then now and throughout history, he lied about sex. >> i'm glad you agreed the president lied in court -- >> admit thatç you had oral se in the office with an intern when asked. >> if i'm under oath, i'll tell the truth. >> read the depositions of every divorce case filed in new york supreme court. >> look, she said she was fearful of becoming an issue, monica lewinsky. this is going to stick around. ran paul started it off. >> it would depend who the candidate is. >> she cannot have the champion of women's rights as her husband's, you know, hit team slandered the women. >> i guarantee jeb bush will not bring it up -- >> i will. >> welcome back, monica, that's all i'm saying. welcome back. love to have you. >> i want to apologize for sandra for the difficulty of the panel we put her through. just a couple. >> coming up, another bombshell revelation out about the nba. what michael jordan is admitting he was once against quote all white people? first, no ptopics off limit whe she puts me through. low prices, we can afford to take more trips this year. -hit the beach in florida. -and a reunion in seattle. 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she's yesterday's news, blah, blah, blah, but a lot of people were sympathic toward her wishing her the best in life. hoping she makes tons of money -- >> i feel sorry for her. she said she had suicidal thoughts, that her life was put on hold. my wish for her is that she puts this whole thing behind her, you know, look, if every wrong thing i did in my youth were publicized, even in my adulth d adulthood, it would be humilia e humiliati humiliating. move on. leave this girl alone but i think it's an issue as we argue that all these women accuse this guy of being a serious abuser of women and yet, he's the most loved person who says republicans are at war with women. so the irony reeks. >> yeah, i still want to know why she did it, which we don't have the answer. >> she was probably asked to. if she turned down $10 million, probably should have taken it. >> i know. tomas asked, what should we do? the fec chair warns that conservative media like drudge and sean hannity face regulation -- >> there is the article and my name in the headline and mat drudge, it's true, fairness and doctrine hasn't worked. i haven't talked publicly about this until today. i had a case where the head of the democratic party in new york literally accused me of giving an unkind contribution because my best friend from third grade was running for congress. i put a link to his website. i had to pay tens and tens of thousands of dollars to a lawyer to win the case. is this a form of intimidation and an effort to silence? absolutely and talk radio? sure. >> i read the comments from the head of the fec and it did sound like -- >> he was -- he wants freedom of speech. >> he wants equal play for everybody. >> he's sending a message that this is going on and we better pay attention to it is how it read this. >> yeah, i absolutely agree. last thing. >> you haven't embarrassed me yet. >> well i'm about to. who do you think is going number one in the draft tomorrow night? >> not manziel. what is his name from south carolina? clowning? >> yes. >> i think it's -- >> clowney from south carolina. >> is that a good answer? i don't follow the draft as closely as my friends. >> we should get cheeky out here. i can see him there. you know how you can embarrass -- >> where does manziel go? this is tv, you got to talk -- >> even though it was strongly intimated cleveland was not going to take him. >> my assistant, you can get in the shot. she's the girl that catches the football right there. say hi. >> if cleveland takes him, manziel goes number six, right? 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does it mean for the 014 midterms that is six months away? with reaction, press secretary and democratic strategist penny. i stayed out of primaries for the most part, ronald reagan did not. i want a win. kay hagan said what obama said on health care. i think she will lose because of that. >> it's one of the most vulnerable democrats in the united states but not the most. no adays nowada nowadays, if republicans don't play, we can yield the field to the weakest candidate. this is a case where the strongest candidate won and enhanced republican chances. >> there is a battle between the tea party and establishment and one thing i'm urging, i'm impressed with republican governors, rick perry, john, scott walker, rick scott. they are getting things done and i don't see a vision coming out of republicans in the house and senate five issues, unify the country, balance the budget, energy independence. don't hear it fromç them. >> sean, that's a point but this is an opposition cycle. in the year of the bush presidency, the democrats took the house by running against bush and iraq. republicans are doggiing the same -- >> why -- >> don't do it then republicans will weaken themselves in the presidency. this is an opposition cycle k-- >> you believe you should run and not tip your hat. >> tactically you -- >> this is opposition cycle. >> if the republicans had five things that would inspire the base and that every -- if you're a conservative in any way you support, i think it would be helpful. >> i think it was tragedy if you saw the voter turnout, 16%. >> terrible. >> but it's really low and that's a shame because they are not excited. there is no one that's excited to vote. >> nobody is excited about kay hagan. kay hagan is under water. >> she's not. she's leading, the candidate just nominated -- >> last week she was losing by three or four points against an unknown candidate. >> but now that you have -- you're not running against the all mighty, you're running against the alternative. >> if you like your plan, you can keep it and if you like your doctor, you can -- >> there are things she's trying to do. >> she was saying back in 2009. >> there is things you well know republican candidates are running away from. >> not one republican voted for i it, not one. >> they say yeah, we'll keep preexisting conditions and keep the -- >> they said that before. >> they have no -- >> but ari, this is a good point. let me concede one point to penny. it's four years now since this law was passed and republicans haven't built a consensus about their opposition plan. that's tactically not smart. >> well, no, that's not right. consumer based health care -- >> not consensus, seven or eight different plans -- >> have they put it up for a vote -- >> when you're not minority, you don't. when the democrats -- >> not when you have the president of the opposite party. >> when they have control of the house. >> i'll agree with ari, let him talk. >> they have control and allow people to tort reform, long been established. it's the approach to throw everything out. >> look at rick perry or scott walker, guys that took deficits, turned them into surpluses, unemployment that's how brought down significantly. conservative principles and governed at conservatives and loved in some cases in blue states. >> this is the difference between being a governor and legislator. when i helped write the report about the future of the party, the so-called autopsy. we called it a tale of two parties. >> you're right. >> legislators are different. the republicans for the presidential is going to be letting a man or women, a vision in 2015 what does have positive ideas because it's not enough to run on opposition. different in 2014. >> i will go to your expertise. i want the vision. >> i think the american people want the vision and contrast. >> you're excited. >> can we bet? >> how much. >> whatever we want to say. >> what -- >> our usual standard. >> thousand dollars crity choice. thousand dollars charity choice. you got two grand, we'll be criticized for being mitt romney wannabes here. >> ten -- >> coming up, the obama administration resorts to scare tacti tactics to sell climate change and nba michael jordan was quote against all white people? what is that about and tiki basher and the big nfl draft coming up this week here on hannity. awesome, amazing, that's epic, bro. whatever happened to good? good is choosing not to overshoot the moon, but to land right on it. good is maxwell house. ♪ good to the last drop good is maxwell house. trwith secure wifie for your business. it also comes with public wifi for your customers. not so with internet from the phone company. i would email the phone company to inquire as to why they have shortchanged these customers. but that would require wifi. switch to comcast business internet and get two wifi networks included. comcast business built for business. welcome back to "hannity." it seems as though administration is resorting to scare tactics when it comes to pushing climate change agenda. administration issued a dire report, that the america's future will be filled with droughts and heat waves, water shortages, hurricanes and the list goes on and on. john addressed the issue on monday throwing down the gauntlet to anyone that opposes the president's climate change agenda. take a look. >> they will find various ways, particularly in the house to try to stop us from using the authority we have under the clean air act, all i would say is that those have zero percent chance of working. we're committed to moving forward with the rules. >> here to debate whether administration is in fact using scare tactics to push for regulations on you, the american people, we have author chris warner and echo entrepreneur chief client officer of brands with us. i watched this whole debate over climate change from "time magazine" saying the next ice age is coming in the '70s to one out british papers printed the arctic ice volume, do you think it went up or down? s s >> no, we know it went up slightly -- >> 50%, is that slightly? >> well -- >> how can that happen in global warming? >> the entire globe, different ecosystems, 48 states had record high temperatures since 200 -- >> we've had a record -- we had temperature dropping for the last 17 years, the temperature has gone down worldwide, the last 17 years. >> where did you get that number from? because that's not true. >> that is exactly true. >> name a scientific organization that is quoting that. there isn't one. >> chris warner -- >> the temperature is going up. >> where has the temperature gone in the last 17 years? >> state diverging between the climate model projections, their p properties of the future, which they call a pause stays flat. >> this is what we keep hearing. >> that reality -- >> they keep saying, literally the temperature is going warmer but then you see change or no change and then they say no, it's just a period of stability taking place that they didn't expect which changes the narrative. what i'm trying to under from you. if the ice volume is increasing 50%, that proves that the temperatures are getting colder. temperature rising -- >> you do not understand -- you have to understand the fact you don't live in the city. there is a different temperature outside of the city than in the city. there are different weather systems that goes on. because one place is cooling doesn't necessarily mean that the entire globe is cooling. >> you guys told us and all your scientists including harvard and big schools, the scientists you referred to and the debate is over, you told us in the 1970s, we were heading into a new ice age. now you say the world is going to burn up. why would anyone believe you when they cite experts and they are so wrong? >> people used to think smoking is good for you. there is science -- >> science -- "time magazine" said the coming ice age. >> that is 40 years ago. >> now you're telling us global warming. >> there is evolution even on the science, there is new equient that is remote sensing equipment. this is a fact that temperature is going up. >> chris, why in england did they manipulate the data if in fact, science is so overwhelming. >> because the scientists settled, even if what settled keeps changes. that's true. it was warming and that was settled and now it's climate d disruption because you rebrand. people aren't buying it. the proper process as they proved with cap and trade rejects the agenda so they need people to not come out -- >> it was designed by republicans. it was a republican product. >> well -- >> no, no, let's have a vote on it if that's the case. harry reid's senate killed cap and trade because they apparently care about jobs, theirs and saw they were threatened. so now they are doing it around the democratic process and they got a rule coming up to close all existing power plants, they got an election coming up this year. they did it again in 2000, the same report -- >> i got news for you -- >> the selection campaign. >> there are almost as many right now, solar jobs as there are cole jobs and growing at ten times the national average. >> theyç are welfare cases and collapsing all over the world. every word the president said, look to spain if you want to see -- >> last question -- >> doesn't give that speech anymore. >> i have an exit question. our pentagon laying off military people and cutting the defense budget to the bone, they are forcing war planes to use green energy fuel that cost $150 per gallon 60 normal cost of jet fuel. do you think that's a wise thing to do? >> the u.s. navy is one of the forefront leaders on talking about climate change -- >> why would we pay 60 times the amount for jet fuel when we are laying off brave men and women serving the country? >> this is the >> just cling onto the past saying we're going to keep this oil though oil is damaging. >> you know oil is keeping people working chris, in north dakota, in texas and louisiana real jobs. we can end our dependence on foreign oil. >> and wind isn't doing that? >> in europe energy poverty deaths are dropping like flies. how many people is the right number to die for no impact on climate? >> are you really saying -- >> we've got to go. al gore is on a private jet. is that wrong? robert kennedy gets on a private jet is that wrong? >> these people need to be in places to spread the word. >> oh, oh. they can't travel like mere mortals on jet blue. >> i got it. >> spread the pious fiction. >> michael jordan on the issue of race. and tiki barber will weigh in on and much more, tomorrow is draft day in the nfl. more on that straight ahead. i had to do something. i saw mdoctor. a blood test showed it was low testosterone, not age. we talked about axiron the onlynderarm low t treaent that can restore t vels to normal in about two weeks in most men. axiron is not for use in women or anyone younger than 18 or men with prostate or breast cancer. women, especlly those who are or who may become pregnant, and children should avoidt where axirons applied as unexpected signs of puberty in children or changes in body hair or incased acne in women may occur. report these symptoms to your doctor. tell your doctorbout all medical conditions and medications. serious side effects could include increased sk of prostate cancer, worsening prostate symptoms, decreased sperm count, ankle, feet or body swelling, enlarged or painful breasts, problems breathing while sleeping and blood clots in the legs. common side effects include skin redness or irritation where applied, increased red blood cell count, common side effects include skin redness headache, diarrhea, vomiting, and increase in psa. ask your doctor about axiron. who would have thought masterthree cheese lasagna would go with chocolate cake and ceviche? 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but there's also a tough part of this article i read today by monica lewinsky. she says the clintons don't care what happened to her, have no regard for what's become of her, what her future looks like. she hits them hard on how they tried to destroy her in order to free themselves from the facts, and this is the tough part of the new lewinsky narrative that republicans could use well between now and 2016. it's this charge how she makes the clintons, before the dna evidence was claimed, tried making her a scapegoat, someone clinton had no personal connection with, some stranger making false claims. that woman, as bill clinton referred to her in his infamous disclaimer, a loony tune, as hillary clinton said, a stalker, as a clinton aide was portraying her. tonight, we discuss whether republicans are the stupid party and go after the story with the same piety or the shrewd party for the callous treatment of a young woman who got in the clinton's political way. howard fineman is an msnbc political analyst and nia malika henderson is a national political reporter at "the washington post." howard, how did you see this? did you read the article? when you read all the way through, you have to look, i think, as a political analyst, as you do and i do, and see where there might be ammo. where i see it, it's not again whether bill clinton did something wrong. we all know that, or whether hillary clinton was hurt by it and embarrassed by it and we all know that, and actually how she's prevailed against it herself. but this whole question of whether the clintons were just too damned callous in trying to make her into a stalker and, of course, hillary clinton called her a loony tune, bill clinton said that woman and almost didn't use her name, that attempt to minimize a person in order to get by a problem politically. that might sting. your thoughts? >> chris, i agree with you about the piece. i read the entire piece and the bomb shells are buried in the bottom at the end, where i think monica lewinsky allows herself to unburden herself a bit of the bitterness she has about the campaign that was run against her. chris, i lived through all this, i was at "newsweek" at the time writing about it. mike isikoff was our lead reporter on the story. i saw it moment by moment from the inside, and i also saw the campaign that was run against monica lewinsky. as she says in the piece, this was a consensual relationship, and then she was destroyed to the extent possible by the clinton administration. she says in the piece, you know, i was the unstable stalker, a phrase disseminated by the clinton white house. she goes on to say, the clinton administration, among others, were able to brand me, and that brand stuck. and as you say, she says they don't care about her fate. i think that's tough stuff. i think it goes to the question of what kind of people the clintons are as political leaders, if they are too ruthless by half, if they use people, even by the standards of politics, too harshly, and really, ironically, the danger to hillary clinton may be as much among feminists, may be as much on the left as it could be on the right, if you want to look at monica lewinsky and the way she was treated by the clintons in those times, and as i say, i lived through them all and saw them. >> nia, seems to me the background has shifted. back in the '90s, it was still sort of sex is bad, if you catch somebody involved with it, you nail them, that's your got ya. today, especially with what's happening over in nigeria, it's about protection of women and nonexploitation of women and if the story shifts, the cosmos shift and instead of talking about whether he was naughty or not, which is not going to hurt bill clinton at all or monica lewinsky, or hillary clinton, it's about whether you treat people, especially women, right. and i think the way monica wrote this story, i don't know her, but the way she wrote it was as a victim and as a victim of the clintons. your thoughts? >> well, that's right. you know, here's a situation that was, obviously, a private and consensual affair, had to do with bill clinton and hillary clinton's marriage and, obviously, became very public. i think in some ways that's the way a lot of women look at this. this was something that was between the clintons and their marriage and in many ways, if you look at someone who might be on the other end of an affair like that, they probably would go after sort of the inner loper in a marriage, so i think there's a sort of grand political narrative that republicans will try to stir up around this. >> no, no, no, hillary clinton, the former secretary of state, even back then, never said there was something wrong with monica, except she wasn't telling the truth. she said she was a luny tune. >> she said that privately. >> that she was somehow not really involved with her husband, that she should be dismissed, her charges, that woman. the whole narrative was, don't believe her, until the blue dress and dna evidence, then they had to change the story. >> right, right, they had to change the story and we heard about bill clinton sleeping on the couch, all that stuff. yeah, that's very well documented. i mean, this isn't really new. i think what you're raising is whether or not in this context when people talk about the idea of shaming, whether or not people will sort of retroactively prosecute and criticize hillary clinton for engaging in what would have been called -- really slut shaming back then, but so far it looks like if you look at, you know, the damage that did to hillary clinton and the clintons, it really was none. hillary clinton had her highest approval ratings at that time, 65%, so it will be interesting if they can sort of retroactively paint her as antiwoman. >> let's go to the politics, which is our strength, which is not morality, but politics. let's look at the "vanity fair" article. lewinsky talks candidly about her experiences being abused, abused, in the aftermath of the affair by the clintons and the media. she writes, their lives moved on, they occupy important and powerful places on the world stage, i wish them no ill and fully understand what happened to me and the issue of my future do not matter to either of them. howard, that's buried, as you said, at the end of the piece. why do you think that was thrown in there, this statement of callousness after this i don't hold any grudge, blah, blah, blah, but then statement of fact they don't care about me. >> well, i think she does hold a grudge, and i think if she says i don't bear them any ill will, doesn't mean she bears them any good will. from the passages i read also, chris, it's clear to me, and i was surprised at her willingness to express her bitterness here about the campaign that was run against her. i mean, i agree with nia that back in the day when all this was happening, hillary's numbers could not have been higher, because hillary ended up being the victim. hillary was the victim, and hillary's sort of stoic acceptance of reality in that situation and her willingness to move on and not sort of wreck the presidency was admired by many people. she was one of the most admired people. >> very much so. >> but this is a peak. let's also keep in mind here, chris, i mean, i agree with your analysis here. i think it shows the clintons in a bad light for the way they tried to destroy this woman, but it also is, to some degree, ancient history. most people, young people especially, who are going to be critical in the primaries, who are going to be critical in the general election, this is -- this may as well be something out of 19th century pot boiler to them. the cultural context -- >> yes, but it's all new to them, too. it can't be both old news and new news. either they are learning this for the first time or they are tired of it. which is it? >> i don't think this is the last we've heard from monica on this topic. i think she's basically saying here, if people would like to talk to me some more about how the clintons tried to destroy me personally, i might be willing to discuss that. that's what i took from this, and if i were in the clinton world, i would look at this as a shot across the bow from monica lewinsky. i really would. >> that's right. and it also means that hillary clinton, when she goes out there now, she's going to get questions about this. this is in the news, she's sitting down with an interviewer, she's on her book tour, this is going to be a question she gets and who knows what she's going to say at this point. she hasn't talked about this in many, many years, but perhaps she'll have some answer to this idea of whether or not she acted more as a wife or more as a sort of calculating political operative back when this was going on. >> well, some conservatives are certainly going to try to make use of lewinsky's article that just came out today to attack the clintons. last night fox news guest host laura ingraham used the lewinsky article to attack the clintons for their ruthlessness. i think laura ingraham is smart here, but doesn't stay consistently smart later when talking to lynn cheney, who's not smart. let's watch. >> when she became problematic for the clintons' political ambitions, she was demeaned and discredited by the press and clinton protectors, including hillary herself. war on women? you bet. in the 1990s, the clintons pioneered it. >> well, on fox later that night, lynn cheney told laura ingraham that hillary clinton orchestrated the lewinsky article, the one that just appeared. here's cheney making her paranoid claim. >> i really wonder if this isn't an effort on the clintons' part to get that story out of the way. would "vanity fair" publish anything about monica lewinsky that hillary clinton didn't want in "vanity fair"? >> that's very interesting. i love this theory. it actually makes perfect sense. >> actually, laura, your earlier theory was much smarter, the opportunity was not going after the sexual impropriety and pretending to be pious themselves, which a whole string of scandals, david vitter, you want to go through the list? but going after people on callousness towards women, that's a smart move. anyway, some republicans are hesitant to relive the lewinsky affair. karl rove has questioned rand paul for beating up on hillary clinton and conservative activist grover norquist, who only wants to talk about taxes, fired this warning shot today, saying, "this is the same trick the clintons pulled on us back in '98. we were distracted by this bright shiny object they handed out, which was monica lewinsky. maybe the same thing this time. like in baseball if they throw out a bad pitch and you swing at it, you're an idiot." is this guy, grover norquist, crazy? he said the clintons had the scandal with monica lewinsky to distract from, what, the tax issue? are the republicans completely loony, to put out a piece attacking the marriage they had, building up monica lewinsky with bill, then we had this whole thing somehow the '98 embarrassment of the country, not just the clintons, was orchestrated to distract from what issue? my answer is, i think yes. your answer? >> i'm not sure, but i do know this, if you read the whole article, there's no way this is something that the clintons would have wanted out there, because as i say, monica is basically advertising her bitterness and her resentment at the way she was destroyed by them, and that's a tantalizing thing, as nia said, for other reporters to follow up on and to ask hillary about. hillary, who's in the middle of polishing up the final details of her book, which i think is called "hard choices," she's probably going to want to reread the portion that she wrote about the monica lewinsky years in light of this. and as far as grover norquist is concerned, even grover can be right for the wrong reason, okay, yes, all he cares about is the tax code, but i think he's got a point as far as the republicans are concerned. if they are going to try -- if they end up running against hillary clinton and they try to run against her by doing a rerun, as you said, a rerun of the '90s, they are going to lose. >> i agree. >> i think that's right. >> i think hillary clinton did something really wonderful in the late '90s, she was embarrassed, of course, personally embarrassed and anger at her husband's conduct, but she transcended that. okay, i know a lot more about this guy bill than you do, i put it all into a total marital context of many years of marriage, and here's what, i'm going to carry on. she went up and campaigned for chuck schumer, she was magnificent. she ended up accepting really an invitation to run for senate in new york and had the guts to run for that office. she could have embarrassed herself then and lost. she didn't, she had the guts to run. so many things, how much guts that woman had. >> they stayed married. >> and nobody in politics is perfect. that's the other thing i've learned, and i've stopped looking for it, perfection. i'll still look for it, but it ain't there yet. thank you, howard fineman, thank you, nia malika henderson. coming up, the frenzy over benghazi heated up with the party out there shaking a tin cup raising money, believe it or not, over the death of chris stevens. remember when the americans got blown up in beirut in the '80s? 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>> you know, chris, that was a great example of government working as it should, and it's not the only example. after 9/11, democrats and some republicans in congress pushed for an independent bipartisan, fully bipartisan, commission, the 9/11 commission. we're all familiar with the great job it did. also, during the iran contra investigation, arthur lyman, the director, the staff director of the senate committee, which was controlled by democrats, said very early on, we're not going to get into impeachment on this, even though some members of reagan's own circle feared that it might be impeachable, so he right away took politics out of this. again and again and again we have really good examples in history of a tragedy happening and investigation being put under way to see what happened and to prevent it from happening again, not investigations into talking points, not having a house speaker come out and saying they are lying. where? you know, john boehner should not be allowed to say that without coming forward and saying what is the lie, what did they get wrong and evaluating it. >> brian, not only are they raising money on this, the way they sell the story is, chris stevens and the other americans are dead because of the democrats' p.r. campaign. an absurd sort of taking what happened afterwards, which they can argue about, to what happened at the time. they keep trying the right-wing trick, conflated. and somehow make this absurd charge that was described afterwards on "meet the press" led to the death of chris stevens and the other americans. this is what tip o'neill never did back then, 9/11, as david points out, nobody's running around saying somebody had to be blamed. they tried to understand how this thing could happen. terrorism was coming at us and we try to figure it out before figure out whose fault it was. your thoughts? >> i got back from beirut a couple of days ago, i saw our ambassador and personnel. our exclusive focus should be protecting these individuals. these individuals are serving and sacrificing for our country, and this investigation that's just been announced has nothing at all to do about enhancing the security and the effectiveness of our diplomatic professionals. it is simply the republican party trying to raise money off the deaths of four americans serving their country in benghazi, and we've had multiple investigations, 25,000 pages of reports coming from investigations, and the state department, the pentagon, others, have enhanced their procedures. they've learned from the mistakes that were made, and there were mistakes made in benghazi, but there's no coverup, but my main point is this, those people that are sitting in our embassies overseas, that should be our exclusive focus and that's not what the republican party's talking about right now. >> you know, in graphic, big-time terms, talking about beirut and the particulars back then in '83 and '84, but david, seems to me the democrats never crassly blamed w. for 9/11. they joined in a bipartisan, truly bipartisan campaign to go to afghanistan and try to get the people who were behind it. they really did try to get together and try to catch bin laden. it was all united. this, after this tragedy, the reaction has been, how can we blame the other side, and it's really different, not just from beirut, but all these tragedies. every time you get hit by terrorist, it's going to be by surprise, not expected, and you're going to have to deal with it and pay for it and people are going to get killed and hurt, and you don't go every time and try to raise money on it, i don't think. that's not good politics. >> you remember back in the beirut attack, particularly the one on the marines, that at that point in time, reagan and others had been warned that keeping the marines deployed in that fashion could lead to a major disaster. yet he still did it, and we lost 241 lives, on top of the other dozens that came before and after, and even after that, even after that, democrats were not calling for impeachment, calling for his scalp, they were asking what went wrong on the ground, in the chain of command. they didn't make it a campaign issue. you could even argue they should have, but they chose not to, and it seems to me this notion we ban together after something goes wrong, try to figure out what happened and how to make things improve is totally out the window and it's all about getting out the base, appealing to the most extreme elements of the republican party. oh, yes, and making a buck. and does that surprise anyone at this stage of the game? i hope it doesn't. >> it's like being on a ship somewhere, a warship, and you've just been attacked and instead of responding with gun fire, you sit around the deck of the ship complaining about who didn't see them coming. that's what we're doing now. thank you, david corn and brian. coming up, a side of hillary clinton we don't usually see. that's next on the side show, and this is "hardball," the place for politics. . kentucky republican senator rand paul and media magnet rupert murdoch spent the day together at the kentucky derby. there's a speculation could sign a murdoch endorsement. >> nation, i love the hot new -- rupert and rand paul their own fun nickname, ru paul. work it. >> time now for the side show. that was, of course, stephen colbert on senator rand paul's courtship, if you will, of rupert murdoch at the kentucky derby saturday, but when it comes to the presidential horse race, murdoch isn't placing any bets just yet. anyway, next up, speculation about hillary clinton's 2016 plans have intensified as the media refocuses its intention on the politics of the late '90s, but on his show last night, jimmy kimmel noted former secretary clinton has been at ease lately, even when sharing some of the more intimate details of her life. take a listen. >> hillary clinton gave a keynote address in maryland. she also held a q&a session afterwards, and things got surprisingly personal. >> what is your guilty pleasure? >> let's see. >> are there that many? >> well, i'm just trying to think of, you know, the g-rated one. >> well, hello, madam secretary. >> next up, toronto's rob ford sen joying rehab so much he's already calling it the best decision he ever made. in fact, the embattled mayor of toronto told "the toronto sun" rehab, "he minds me of football camp, kind of like the washington redskins camp as a kid." ford didn't tell "the sun" when he'll leave rehab but he will be out in time for the october election. that's good rehab. coming up, american crackdown on the islamic group responsible for the kidnappings in nigeria. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. . true business-grade internet comes with secure wifi for your business. it also comes with public wifi for your customers. not so with internet from the phone company. i would email the phone company to inquire as to why they have shortchanged these customers. but that would require wifi. switch to comcast business internet and get two wifi networks included. comcast business built for business. when you take over 200 girls at one time, having killed almost 4,000 people in two years, it draws the nation and the world's attention for the immediacy of getting this thug. let's kill the cancer. let's drag out this vile person, who again, as i indicated, i just can't hold up this money often enough. this is it. this is slavery. >> that's u.s. congresswoman sheila jackson lee of texas with very strong words about that horror over in nigeria, where those hundreds of schoolgirls were taken prisoner and apparently are being sold into slavery. two u.s. senators are joining me now, senator amy klobuchar of minnesota and susan collins of maine. let me go to senator klobuchar, tell us what we know about it, what the limits are, what we can do, and perhaps what the real potential is to get these girls saved. senator klobuchar? >> chris, we know the 276 girls taken by gunpoint, kidnapped by boko haram, which literally means "western education is sinful." what we know is some of the girls have escaped, so we have some information, but most of them are still in captivity. the leader of boko haram has said, in fact, he is selling these girls into sex slavery, some for $12 a person. we do not know if that's true, and so what we have asked for, senator collins, the women of the senate, have come together and said, first of all, the u.n. has to declare boko haram as a terrorist organization. our government already has, and then we need to bring together international resources, which we are sending over now today we've learned france, great britain is, counterterrorism, we have to send over counterintelligence, we have to get people involved that can do hostage negotiating. right now, we do not know where these girls are, but we do know that the world is watching. for three weeks this was off the radar screen, and we know people were very understandably focused on the malaysia airlines and all the passengers and that horrible tragedy, but you look at this as 276 girls and the world just cannot let this happen. >> well, i don't think it will. i've seen the front pages now, you're right, senator klobuchar, partially because of your outrage it's gotten to the front page and senator collins, seems to come down to what we do. is it a s.e.a.l. team operation, is it a drone operation, how -- is it where you go in with a few men and you kill some people, is that what it's about? when i listen to sheila jackson lee from texas, sounds like she's got it figured out. it isn't a big army operation, it's a very exquisite operation, like the way the israelis did it, kill the people in your face and free the people. your thoughts. >> well, first of all, we've lost three weeks in trying to locate these schoolgirls, and that just breaks my heart and is inexcusable. it seems to me that the nigerian government should have asked us for help sooner, but also that the administration should have offered help sooner. in my judgment from the conversations that i've had with military experts, it would be possible to put in some special forces into nigeria. once we locate these girls and rescue them. we ought to at least try. in uganda, we have special forces that are going after criminal that is making soldiers out of young boys. why shouldn't we have the same kind of effort to rescue these innocent schoolgirls before they are either sold into slavery, forced into marriages at very young ages, and also required to convert. this is just a horrible situation, and the whole world ought to be outraged. but the fact is, the united states is the country that has the most assets that can be put to use, and we're very good at these kinds of operations. >> senator, let's listen to what former senator and former secretary of state hillary clinton had to say today. >> the seizure of these young women by this radical extremist group, boko haram, is abominable, it's criminal, it's an act of terrorism, and it really merits the fullest response possible, first and foremost, from the government of nigeria. the government of nigeria has been, in my view, somewhat derelict in its responsibility toward protecting boys and girls, men and women, in northern nigeria over the last years. >> senator klobuchar, bring us up to date. to what extent has the nigerian government accepted our offer of help? >> well, they have just accepted our offer of help. we understand from secretary kerry we were working from the beginning, but president jonathan of nigeria was sending signals out they had it under control, they were getting the girls. that was not the case. the world economic forum is going to be there in nigeria, and i hope this is a major topic. this isn't just in nigeria this is happening. millions of girls are sold into brothels, sold as sex slaves, the average age is 16. to talk to the mexican attorney general, head of the federal police are starting to get a handle on it there. if we want to elevate girls and women and make this part of our foreign policy, this is something that's just waiting to happen. it is something we could do with the rest of the world. we have our own problem in the united states, 83% of the victims are from our own country, and we literally should make this a major part of our foreign policy, because when we lift girls, we lift women and they participate in democracy and the economy, we have a much better, stronger, stable country an a much better, stronger, stable world. >> thank you so much, senator amy klobuchar of minnesota and senator susan collins of maine. we'll be right back. . to gauge whether or not the projects will be done in a timely fashion and within budget. angie's list members can tell you which provider is the best in town. you'll find reviews on everything from home repair to healthcare. now that we're expecting, i like the fact i can go onto angie's list and look for pediatricians. the service providers that i've found on angie's list actually have blown me away. find out why more than two million members count on angie's list. angie's list -- reviews you can trust. what's it like to get an angry phone call from bill clinton at 2:00 in the morning? 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>> well, i think as they would say, he needs to chill a little bit. and i hope he understands what that means. >> we're back. remember that fight between the congressional black caucus and bill clinton back in 2008? well, now we're learning more about it. it all started when bill clinton said this during the new hampshire primary. >> well, how could you say that when you said in 2004 you didn't know how you would have voted on the resolution, you said in 2004 there was no difference between you and george bush on the war, and you took that speech you're now running on off your website in 2004 and there's no difference in your voting record and hillary's ever since. give me a break. this whole thing is the biggest fairytale i've ever seen. >> fairytale, that fairytale comment almost led to the highest ranking congressman jim clyburn to end his neutrality before the south carolina primary between hillary clinton and barack obama. then the day before the south carolina primary, bill clinton said this. >> jesse jackson won in south carolina twice in '84 and '88 and he ran a good campaign, and senator obama's ran a good campaign here. >> clinton's mention of jackson was seen by a racially tinged criticism of president obama's candidacy. clyburn wrote about the phone call he received from the former president following hillary clinton's south carolina thumping. it's in his new memoir, "blessed experience." clyburn says, "his powerful voice came on the phone. experience. clyburn says, quote, his powerful voice came on the phone. the you bastards want a fight, you damn well will get one. i had no need to identify that voice, it was bill clinton. he exploded using the word "bastard" again and accused me of causing her defeat and injecting race into the contest. well, clyburn and clinton have since made their piece. jim clyburn is a democrat from south carolina and author of "blessed experience." well, you know, mr. clyburn, thanks for joining us. blessed experience that experience don't seem to jibe. tell me how it all fit into your political memoir. >> thank you so much for having me, chris. the fact of the matter is, as i said in my preface to the book, all of my experiences have not been pleasant. but when i look back on them, all of them have been blessings. and that really was a blessing, but not -- i didn't feel that way at the time. i believe that i learned a lot during that primary. i learned a lot writing this book, about myself, about the people with whom i've interacted over the years, and i do believe that bill clinton and i are on very good terms these days and i think that we will be working together for the democrats going forward. >> you know, i don't think you'd call enemies up at 2:00 in the morning, because i know enough about politics to know that you don't want to alert them to what you really think of them. it seems to me it was an act of a weird kind of friendship. 2:00 in the morning, he calls you up. you were asleep, i guess, were you? and you were like, wait a minute, this was my old pal, giving me a lot of stuff here. what was your emotional reaction to that call? how did you react when bill clinton, the former president, comes on with that distinctive voice of his? >> well, i was not asleep. i usually stay up pretty late on election nights. and that was the night of the primary election and i was awake. but i was caught being off guard. i listened for a long time, before i replied. and when i did, i simply asked the president to tell me why he thought i had violated the neutrality that i had promised the democratic national committee i would maintain during that primary. of course, he felt that what i said injected race into the campaign. all i was saying was that we have to be very careful how we deal with that civil rights period and who should get credit for it. that's what started all of this. i don't believe that lyndon johnson was anymore important than martin luther king jr. they played different roles. we all have roles to play. and king played his role, johnson played his role, and as you know, chris, you've written about it, president kennedy laid a foundation back in 1963. i don't know whether or not king would have felt the way he did had he not started his interactions with john f. kennedy. so everybody had a role to play, and i don't know that any one of them was anymore important than the other. and you will find those kinds of experiences throughout this book. when i worked across the aisle to get certain things done, simply because i needed somebody else in a different role, sometimes even across the other side of the capitol to get things done. so that's what this book is all about. i thought about those tenth graders i used to quiche, as i wrote this book, and i wanted this book to be something that every young boy or girl, especially those who have had experiences like i've had, to gain something from it, learn from it, be motivated by it, and be able to really look upon all of their experiences, however unpleasant they might be, as possible blessings. >> well, i'm going to go read it. the name of the book is blessed experience. and after i read it, congressman, i'm going to have you on the talk about my questions. you have just sized up the great old reason why thomas jefferson said, when you're mad, count to ten. when you're really mad, count to a hundred before you talk. anyway, u.s. congressman james clyburn, author of "blessed experience." we'll be right back. if i told you that a free ten-second test could mean less waiting for things like security backups and file downloads you'd take that test, right? well, what are you waiting for? you could literally be done with the test by now. now you could have done it twice. this is awkward. check your speed. see how fast your internet can be. switch now and add voice and tv for $34.90. comcast business built for business. let me finish tonight with the great advice i attribute to the late robert kennedy. hang a lantern on your problem. i headed my first book, "hardball," back in '88. i think it carries a tremendous value to old, young, and in between. i'm talking here about the in-betweens, the clintons. there is nothing more far fetched, i believe, for the clintons to act as if the monica lewinsky episode didn't occur. everyone knows it did, everyone. since everyone knows it occurred, speak and act accordingly. it was bad for the country, bad for al gore, who ultimately paid the price for it, and certainly, it appears, for monica lewinsky. what was bad about it was, i could argue, was the readiness of the clinton and those around them to deny the very existence of miss lewinsky. that was the game plan, portray her as a nut job who made up the story. and that game plan came to a crashing halt once the blue dress left its hanger in the closet. dna is one tough competitor when you go into the courtroom of public opinion. all that said, nobody's perfect, and in politics, i've discovered, none are even close. politics as a profession is about getting to the goal. the goal is the necessity. that being the case, there's always the problem of deciding if the ends justifies the means. the dumping on monica lewinsky was a way to protect the presidency, haul away. i don't think this condemns anyone. it shows the moral or the callousness of which the clintons were capable. this is me talking, someone who's been looking for perfection in politics all my life and continues to, but recognizing that all we have to choose from are those out there with the guts to ask us to be our leaders. i salute them for that and force myself to come to grips with what they choose and what they're willing to do to get there. that's "hardball" for now. it really is. thanks for being with us. "all in with chris hayes" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. and in the sober morning light, republicans everywhere were sifting through what happened last night in the first big round of contested republican primaries. there are many headlines this morning about who won and the ceaseless battle between the tea party and the establishment, and whether the tea party beat the establishment, or the establishment beat the tea party, or the gop establishment became the tea party. but here, my friends, is the big winner from last night. the big winner that no one has been talking about. this guy. senator rand paul was not on the ballot in north carolina yesterday. but he had a proxy, who was
move by the nba to push him out. is this all the food you will ever need? what's behind the creation that sounds an awful lot like a 1970s science first movie. and how does it taste? hey there, everyone. it's high noon in the east, 9:00 a.m. out west. welcome to weekends with al lix witt. we're coming to you from washington, d.c. we begin with politics and the lightning rod issue is emerging as a central gop focus for 2014 and perhaps beyond. benghazi was front and center this sunday after john boehner announced plans to establish a special committee to further expand the republicans' quest for answers but this morning democratic congressman and member of the house intelligence committee adam schiff encouraged his party leadership to flat out boycott speaker boehner's special committee. >> it's a colossal waste of time. with the republican conferences so fractured, there's only two things they agree on. they don't like obamacare, so we've had 50 votes on that. and they do like talking about benghazi. >> you're saying you think the democrats shouldn't appoint anybody to the special committee and let it simply be republicans holding this investigation? >> that's what i'd recommend. i don't know what our leader shipp decide but i don't think it makes sense for us to give this select committee any more credibility than it deserves and i don't think it deserves very much, frankly. >> republicans' renewed interest in benghazi was prompt bid the release of white house documents, including an e-mail that conservatives quickly declared a smoking gun and proof of a coverup, a charge the white house has strongly denied. nbc white house correspondent kristin welker is joining me now. let's talk about benghazi. it's quickly flaired up again. how much of this a gop strategy timing wise heading into the midterms? >> alex, i think it has to do almost everything with the midterms. one thing is clear based on this renewed debate. republicans see this as a winning issue in 2014. you can expect this to be a key part of their talking points on 2 trail in 2014 and potentially 2016, particularly in former secretary of state hillary clinton throws her hat into the ring because, of course, this occurred under her watch. just two tell you what these renewed e-mails or these newly released e-mails actually say, alex, they involve the talking points, the preparatory talking points for susan rice who, of course, made that now infamous appearance on the sunday shows when she said the attack against the u.s. consulate in benghazi was caused by those protests that were sparked throughout the middle east and not the result of a terrorist attack, something that has now been debunked. those newly released e-mails really suggest that she emphasized and focused on the administration's response to the protests that were sparked throughout the middle east. now, as you say, republicans say that's a smoking gun. administration officials say it's not a smoking gun because the e-mails were really just describing and preparing susan rice to talk about the broader issue that was spreading throughout the region. nonetheless, this has added momentum to republicans' talking points. take a listen. >> why is it that we're just receiving this e-mail that really shows where the idea for from the video came? because that video was not in the talking points and yet that is what ambassador rice pushed on your show and every sunday show. >> and, of course, those protests sparked may be many called an anti-muslim video that you just heard senator ayotte reference there. i've been talking to administration officials who say they're not too concerned about this because if you look at the polling what most americans still care about most -- things like jobs and the economy. but there's no doubt the issue of benghazi does rally the republican base. alex? >> no doubt about that for sure. kristin, we were both in that room last night listening to the white house correspondents dinner presentations. let's talk first of all about the president. as we know, there was some level of truth in comedy so did the president subtly suggest that hillary would be the next president of the united states? >> well, alex, you could read some of his remarks that way. he made several jokes about hillary clinton being essentially the democratic nominee. that made a lot of people think, rankled some of biden's supporters. take a listen to one of the jokes for president obama last night. >> let's face it, fox, you'll miss me when i'm gone. [ laughter ] it will be harder to convince the american people that hillary was born in kenya. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] >> so the president made about three jokes by my count, alex, about hillary clinton. but we should also say that he did make a joke about biden, other possible 2016 contenders were mentioned by the president and comedian joel mchale as well, ted cruz, rand paul. but chris christie got some of the most searing criticism from joel mchale and i have to say that has a lot of people talking today as well, a lot of people saying that it underscores the fact that chris christie is still very much in the 2016 game despite the whole bridgegate scandal. >> yeah, okay, he did go after him. i was kind of like hmm. anyway, we'll dish more about the white house correspondents dinner next hour. i'll see you then. >> look forward to it. let's go to other political headlines. texas governor rick perry is weighing in on the oklahoma lethal injection controversy. in an interview on this morning's "meet the press," governor perry, whose state leads the nation in death penalties, argued that any reform should be made on the state level. >> in texas for substantially long period of time our citizens have decided that if you kill our children, if you kill our police officers for those very heinous crimes that the appropriate punishment is the death penalty. >> was this inhumane? >> i don't know whether it was inhumane or not but it was botched. >> so it's not quite super, but in tuesday is the first big primary day of the mid-term elections. on the calendar are indiana, north carolina, and ohio. surely the biggest name on the ballot is former "american idol" star clay aiken who is running for north carolina's second congressional district. and while most of the washington establishment was at the correspondents' dinner last night cracking jokes, hillary clinton was in chicago where she received her home state of illinois's highest award, the order of lincoln. >> to have the chance to come and be with so many of the people who have made this state such an exceptional place in memory of the greatest bhpresidt who ever served our country very special indeed for me. ukraine security forces are pushing back against pro-russian separatists controlling towns in the eastern region of the country. authorities said government forces clashed with separatists to reclaim a television tower in the eastern town of kramatorsk. an offensive there left ten people dead, 42 were killed in fire fights between government supporters and opponents in odessa friday. all this comes as rebels freed seven european military observers who were held hostage for more than a week. new documents regarding the recently sunken south korean ferry show a breakdown in regulations meant to ensuring safety. the ferry was overloaded with cargo on 246 trips. that's almost every trip it made with cargo in the 13 months before it sank. meanwhile, search teams recovered another body, bringing the total number of dead to 244. 60 people are still missing. south korean president park guen-hye met with relatives of the victims earlier today and she told relatives her heart breaks to think about how they must feel. that ferry went down 20 agonizing days ago. a grass-roots rally on the steps of the lincoln memorial yesterday tried to energize support for the nigerian teenaged girls kidnapped by the islamic fundamentalist terrorist group boko haram. about 150 students and a professor organized the protest to raise awareness through social media and word of mouth. they want the u.s. to pressure noorj ya into taking more aggressive action on the kidnappings of about 200 girls from their school. secretary of state john kerry voiced his support yesterday during his african trip. >> let me be clear: the kidnapping of hundreds of children by bow qko haram is a crime and we do will everything possible to support the nigerian government to return these young women to their homes. >> well, the terrorist kidnapped those girls on april 14. back state side now, the city of seattle has announced the biggest minimum wage hike in the nation, increasing it to $15 per hour over the next several years. but what will be the impact on the economy and does an increase have any hope on the federal level? joining me now, democratic congressman jim mcdermott whose washington district includes seattle. he's a senior member of the ways and means committee and the budget committee. representative mcdermott, good to see you, thanks for joining me. >> good morning, alex. >> what will you, sir, hearing from your colleagues across the aisle when you're away from the microphones or behind closed doors. is there any support for a minimum wage compromise? >> they all recognize it's something we should do. many of them are afraid in the house to do anything about it so the states are just going ahead and doing it themselves. first it was a little town, sea-tac, then seattle city council and the mayor took it up a and we'll do it ourselves at the state level because you can't count on the congress to get it done. we're going to lead the country in this whole effort. >> do you think they should just veto doing anything on the federal level? give that up and deal with the focus on the state level where it seems to be more effective? >> i would do what nancy pelosi is doing, which is continuing to hammer on the republicans to do something that would be good for all meshes. to put more money in workers' pockets mean it goes into the economy. 70% of the economy is retail and if workers have more money they spend more money and the economy runs. so she should continue to push and embarrass the hell out of them. i think there are places where it will be done instead of in the congress but we should do it at the national level for everybody. what's good for seattle is good for texas, it's good for vermont, it's good for minnesota. >> what's interesting, sir, one aspect of what you're doing there in your home district, the seattle minimum wage after several years will be tide to the consumer price index. so if you can't get on outright increase on the federal level, do you think some sort of a compromise could be reached to tie it to the cpi? >> well, that's certainly a good first step. i think that everybody knows that the minimum wage was set a long time ago and things have gone up dramatically since then. but the minimum wage hasn't. so it is not possible to subsist with a family of four in a minimum wage job. that's why most people have two or three or four jobs where they're trying to put together enough money to keep their family together. >> let's talk about the midterms, because you said something pretty interesting recently. you said that obamacare may help democrats win control of the house in november. you need 17 seats. do you think that's really possible? >> i absolutely do. you see, what's happening is that we've organized and we've gotten it started in some parts in this country. some parts are still sitting on their hands, they didn't implement the medicaid rules, they didn't do anything. but the word is going to spread mouth to mouth and twitter to twiter and all the social media ways and people around the country are going to say "why don't we have what they have in california? or washington state? or vermont?" and that's going to trigger the question among their legislators well, why didn't you vote for this? or their governor, why didn't you bring this to us? and i think that you're going to see a wave of people by the '14 election and certainly by the '16 election that says we need to have a national health care plan across the country. it's not going to happen in one week but it's going to happen over time. >> what about poll numbers, though, sir? as we check these out, for instance, the latest nbc/"wall street journal" poll is finding that only 36% of americans support the law. i mean, that's pretty much unchanged over the past year or so. so what is your pitch to the skeptics? >> well, the members that are running and the and can doubts that are running have to pitch the things that are in the law. because the people support having a law that has no pre-existing conditions exclusions, that gives you the ability to keep your kids on until the age of 26, that gives you lifetime limit, take off those caps. all the things that are in the bill if you poll those things people are supportive of them 100%. it's when you tie it to obamacare, which has had this huge propaganda campaign against it for five years that people say, well, i don't think i -- i don't think like that obamacare. but they like everything that's inside the obamacare. >> do you think the key may be to focus on the districts where the state exchanges have been successful? >> yes, i do. i think where people have already had the benefits will be a lot easier to turn heads around than it will be in those states where they're still wondering what's all the fuss about. they hear the law is out there but it hasn't done them any good. in the states where it's already working i think we have some real chances. >> and the concept of repeal? is that dead in the water considering you have more than eight million people having signed up now? the count is up to some 50 or so votes being taken in the house to try to repeal it. is that not gong to happen anymore? >> we tried 53 times but i hear john boehner saying we're going to keep trying. i think they can't -- once they're riding a dead horse they ought to get off it. but they don't seem to want to do it. i talked to bill frist who used to be the republican leader in the senate and he said to me "jim, what we should do is not repeal it but fix it." and one of these days john boehner and his leader shipp going to get together and say you know something? we ought to work with the democrats and fix the law in those places where it needs to be fakesed to make ed fixed to the people. >> any concerns that if the senate changes hands that this could become a problem, if you will? >> well, they'll have the problem that the president is still sitting in the white house with a veto pen. secondly, they'll have the problem of more and more people will have had the benefit of the program and so it is going to be very hard for them to say "we're going to give the insurance companys the ability to exclude you because you have a pre-existing condition." or we're going to make your kids get off your health insurance as soon as they get out of college, which is the way it used to be. now they can go up to age 26. it's going to be very hard to take those benefits away because you've got millions of people who have now taken advantage of them and they're going to say what is this all about? 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"usa today" sports reporter joins me now to talk about the clippers and their recent drama on and off the court. brent, welcome to you. >> hello. >> let's talk about shelley sterling because she is a co-owner of the clippers. what are the chances she could replace her husband as ceo and how much value does her input have with nba commissioner adam silver? >> the team is held by a family trust so that's where it gets complicated. i think the nba would like the whole family out of this so they can wash their hands of this whole situation but it seems clear the family does not want to give this up without some kind of fight because i think fighting would give them leverage in this case. but she's given no indication she wants to give up her ownership share of this team nor has her husband. >> certainly because he's known as one of the most litigious figures in sports, correct? >> right, he has a history of suing people and getting sued. it goes back a long way. he is a divorce attorney, a former divorce attorney himself. in 1981 he bought the clippers. in '84 he moved it from san diego to los angeles without the league's permission. the league responded by suing him for $25 million. he sued them back for $100 million, three years later they finally settled. he paid the nba $6 million which was a concession of $19 million that he saved himself. so i mean, there's a president right there for -- precedent right there for him showing that fighting this could give this rev ledge. >> i want to play you a clip from "meet the press" when kevin johnson talked about adam silver's actions. let's talk about that. >> the players sent me in to talk to commissioner silver and the players wanted an immediate investigation, they wanted to have a voice. they wanted to make sure that they weren't passive participants and thirdly they wanted the most maximum, most severe sanction possible. commissioner silver exceeded those expectations in 72 hours. there's no way -- no one decides things that quickly and he did in the a very strong way. >> adam silver getting a lot of credit for handling this crisis swiftly. it's not totally finished but he diffused a great part of it. how was he able to issue the sanctions against sterling so quickly, including that $2.5 million fine and the lifetime ban from the nba? >> the nba constitution gives him pretty broad power to act in the best interest of the league. nowhere in the constitution does it say no owner shall make stupid offensive statements in a private conversation but it gives him authority to act in situations that arise that are not explicitly covered by the constitution. the constitution also does provide a situation where three quarters of the ownership could vote another owner out. if that owner willfully breaks rules. it's questionable in this case and if he does fight he might make that argument that he did not willfully break any nba rule when he made these comments, no matter how bad they were and offensive they were, that they did not break a specific league rule. >> interestingly, here's part of shelly sterling's statement about adam silver. it reads "i welcome his active involvement in the search for a person with the utmost character, proven excellence and a commitment to providing quality and inclusiveness." what is the timeline for commissioner silver on selecting new ceo for the clippers? >> i think they want to do this as fast as they can. the process is outlined in the nba constitution where this could happen within a couple weeks where they could have a vote in a couple weeks, they could try to take control of the team in a couple weeks, appoint a ceo as fast as they can to take control of the team in the meantime. but the question -- we have not heard from mr. sterling about his future plans and what he's going to do in this regard. he's expected to fight because of his history of fighting and i think if he does fight he buys himself some time and maybe cts >> you have to give kudos on the guys to the court when they've been playing so well and look where they got. i think they've beaten a lot of expectations, don't you any. >> they have. they advance to the second round of the playoffs against oklahoma city. if you look at the history of the clippers, they have been a very poor franchise, a losing franchise for so long the so the fact they won a playoff series is a big deal in terms of clippers history and considering all the distractions that this has caused is is big deal for them to win last night. >> i think an even bigger deal considering what they're facing. thank you so much. i appreciate your time. >> thank you. more highlights from the white house correspondents dinner and a bit later, who's watching the border. american citizens accusing the border patrol of going to extremes. 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six weeks before an election pushing a story about a spontaneous reaction to a video which is what ambassador rice said on your show and other shows as a result of the attacks as opposed to a coordinated terrorist attack is a very different narrative when you're trying to push this was not a -- a broader failure of foreign policy. >> the latest twist includes house speaker john boehner's call for a select committee to investigate the 2012 attacks and the u.s. response. joining me now, jimmy williams. jimmy is the executive editor of bluenationreview.com, also an nbc contributor and my good friend. thank you for joining me in the studio. >> happy sunday. >> let's begin with what prompted this benghazi revival for the gop and this was this memo that was released by the white house in which some are saying, look, there's a suggestion of a coverup here by the administration. what is your honest interpretation of this memo? >> two thoughts. first and foremost they should have released it to begin with. this didn't have to be a foye ya request because now you've given the republicans to keep talking about benghazi. secondly, i don't remember the outrage in 2002 and in 2003 and 2004, 2006, 2007 and 2008 when there were 13 attacks on american embassies, pakistan, india, uzbekistan, saudi arabia, greece, yemen, turkey, 60 people died collectively. 60 people died, including school children and the gop said nothing. not a word when george bush was president. did the democrats create a select committee to investigate this? no, they didn't. they didn't do that. even when they were in power they didn't do that from '06 to '10. so hypocrisy stinks, especially gop hypocrisy and i have a very big problem. ambassador rice and three others died in benghazi. it was a tragedy -- >> ambassador stevens. >> sorry. ambassador stevens. >> it was a tragedy. but david foy died march 2, 2006. where was the outrage then? silence. the silence is deafening to me. so i have a big problem with what they're doing here. this is about hillary clinton, 2016. >> let's listen to what former presidential senior advisor david plouffe had to say today. >> was it a mistake not to release this e-mail earler. >> >> this has been politicized like we've never seen before. richard nixon talked about a silent majority. there's a loud delusional party controlling our politics now. there's no conspiracy at all. >> pretty much echoing validating your thoughts right there. >> i'm glad to know i think like david plouffe. i'm not as smart as david plouffe. the republicans can't seem to pass legislation. they can't get -- they're not going to give president any deals on anything from tax reform to immigration reform. they're not going to pass anything. the congress is done for the year. america needs to understand that. so if that's the case, what are they going to do? obamacare is beginning to succeed to so the only thing they can do is say the word "benghazi." it's three syllables. have a select committee. dan burton did this and fred thompson did this back in the 1990s. i worked in the senate and they wasted a lot of money. what did they find out about white water and travelgate? nothing. same thing here. >> so if this is all about politics and coming up with the mid-terms, tell me, do you think there's any part of this narrative that's going to resonate with the public? >> i think you have a gop part of the electorate that believe there is's a coverup. i think you have the democratic part of the electorate that doesn't think there was a coverup and i think you have to rest of the country, which is something like 50% of inspects that don't know and it doesn't matter to them because it doesn't task cost of college tuition or gas or are their kids in good schools. america is for all intents and purposes tuned out. so the gop is very good at something in midterms getting their people out. the question is will the democrats do that? >> let's have you put on a gop consultant hat for a second. how would you advise the gop? because this isn't really resonating. >> i'd advise them do exactly what they're doing. how sick is that? i would say go after benghazi because you're killing two birds with one stone. you're drumming up your base for november of 2014 and you're attacking hillary clinton the entire way through. so you're actually -- you're double dipping, if you will, into the scandal pot. now, there is a vein of people raising eyebrows when someone says "what did hillary clinton do as secretary of state? what were here accomplishments per say in" and it's hard to pinpoint that, right? i mean, what did -- did she figure out middle east peace, et cetera, et cetera? no. at the same time we didn't have any crazy stuff happening while she was secretary of state. he had to rebuild our country's image across the world. but that's what they deal. that's the vein they'll tap in and say she did nothing and benghazi happened on her watch. >> can i ask you about the select committee called for by john boehner. we had congressman adam schiff and he said democrats should just boycott that. you worked on capitol hill, can they do that? >> they can do whatever they want. you don't have to show up to a committee. by the way, the democrats appoint their members, the same thing in the senate, the caucus decides who will do that. the steering committee decides and floeps decide if she wants to put people in that committee. if he were them i would not do that. i would put people on the committee and i would put people on the committee to talk about things i just talked about. those 13 embassy attacks. i would talk about how the cia intelligence was at best faulty and that's why susan rice got lambasted all over the tv airwaves and i would talk about the senate report, the senate bipartisan report that says in fact, yes, a little bit of this was because of that video. so let's have that conversation. let's get it out there and let them waste money. republicans are very good at something called overreach. if question is will they overreach between now and november? >> sit right there because i'm going to go someplace here which is what happened last night. >> i'm not leaving. i'll stay with you. >> it's one of the most anticipated nights on washington's social calendar, the annual white house correspondents dinner. president obama held court and he dished out jokes aimed at the media, yes, and washington's movers and shakers. many famous faces attend the event. the president didn't hold back, taking a pointed jab at the speaker of the house. >> and i'm feeling sorry, believe it or not, for the speaker of the house as well. these days the house republicans actually give john boehner a harder time than they give me. which means orange really is the new black. [ laughter ] >> that was one of the best lines right there. totally fantastic. no subject was off limits. the president could not resist talking about the next election year. >> it's a long time between now and 2016 and anything can happen. you may have heard the other day hillary had to dodge a flying shoe at a press conference. [ laughter ] i love that picture. [ laughter ] >> we all did. joel mchale of nbc sit come "community" headline it had event. he couldn't help but take a shot at hillary clinton as well. >> hillary clinton has a lot going for her as a candidate. she has experience, she's a natural leader and, as our first female president, we could pay her 30% less. [ laughter ] that's a saving this country could use! >> yeah, i was there, too, my buddy alicia quarrels of "e" tweeted this picture of the two of us. that's a jenny packen dress. anyone could have worn that and strld looked fantastic. >> i could have. >> what did you think of the whole event? >> it's our prom, everyone calls it the prom. i've been doing this for years, i went when i was a staffer. it's a lot of fun. i don't go to the dinner because when the president locks you down you can't leave for three and a half hours so there's rather things i'd be rather doing than sitting in the hilton eating bad food and drinking bad wine for three and a half hours. >> it wasn't that bad. >> i had a bitter dinner, trust me. but it's a fun thing. and the president is as untapped into d.c. social life as he is, he love this event and he's good at this event. the president can tell a joke. bush was good at this, by the way. and this is a fun time for everybody to come together and just have fun. >> well, it was fun to see you at the afterparty, how 's this? 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>> well, it's -- you know, the result of this rapid growth has certainly been felt among those who are living near the border. they're finding that there's more checkpoints that they must endure all the time. if they have the bad luck to live near the border, this is something that they put up with all the time. and u.s. citizens who come back into the united states are finding that they're in some cases their constitutional rights are not necessarily respected near the border. >> tim, interestingly, this agency is also being scrutinized for the number -- increasing number of fatalities in recent years. it's been called to modify its use of lethal force policy. what do you think is behind the sharp increase and what can be done about it? >> well, there have been 21 people killed by border patrol agents since the beginning of 2010 and many of these people have been illegal immigrants. i'm based in mexico city so i first became interested in this because so many -- the majority of those who have died have been mexicans. but increasingly those affected, those killed, are u.s. citizens and this has brought attention to the fact that the border patrol and customs and border protection actually have very little oversight and the mood in congress in recent years has been expand almost at all costs so therefore hiring practices and thorough as they should be and those along the boarder are blaming washington more than anything else that they're encountering problems with border patrol agents. >> it wasn't clear to me in your article, the mother in chula vista, california, the one shot dead by border patrol agents, a mother of five, was she a u.s. citizen or not? >> she was a u.s. citizen and that's what makes that case even more -- really sort of amazing. she happened to be at the wrong place at the wrong time. she an apartment where undercover border patrol agents arrived in plainclothes. she -- there was no warrant for her arrest whatsoever. they said "you cannot leave." she got in her car anyway. a border patrol agent jumped on the hood of her car. she started to back up and he stayed on the hood, she stopped, he jumped off, she continued to back up, he fired ten times through her windshield and killed her. >> but, tim, can we also say this is a border patrol agent by your reporting here that had been fired from his previous job as a sheriff's deputy for a variety of misconduct. >> he hadn't actually been fired, he was in the process of being dismissed and, that's correct, he had a number of disciplinary problems including at one point leaving a person in the back of a squad car with the windows closed in 102-degree temperature and he turned the heat on. so he clearly was a man who was not very respectful of the rights of anybody who was arrested. >> all right. tim, i want to get in a statement offered to us -- >> let me add also, he was -- >> no, very quickly. >> i was just going to say this man is still in his post. there's a lawsuit going on over it but it's -- you know, they clearly had not done a thorough background check on him and he had been recommended for the job by a member of congress from california. >> well i want to add the border control says conditions have gotten more dangerous for their officers, there is more violence against the agents and the statement read "the cbp stresses honor and integrity and always regrets the loss of life. an overwhelming majority of our employees and officers perform their day to day duties with distinction. we don't tolerate construction and abuse within our ranks." i'm certain there's some truth to that statement, of course. >> well, i think the vast majority of border patrol agents try to do their jobs well. the question is are the minority who perhaps are not well versed in the constitution, what should be done to make sure that abuses don't happen? 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[ laughter ] >> say what? it's the president's annual standup act. so how did he hand this will year's laugh lines? hey there, everyone, welcome to "weekends with alex witt." 1:00 in the east, 10:00 a.m. in the west. we have new reaction to the nba's latest move against los angeles clippers owner donald sterling. sacramento mayor and nba all-star kevin johnson spoke on "meet the press" about his role. >> the players sent me in to talk to commissioner silver and the players wanted an immediate investigation. they wanted to have a voice. they wanted to make sure that they weren't passive participants and thirdly they wanted the most maximum, most severe sanctions possible. commissioner silver exceeded those expectations in 72 hours. there's no way -- in washington no one decides things that quickly and he did it in a very strong way. >> nbc's mike tie yeeb biis joining me from our l.a. bureau. let's get the latest. >> first things first. let's talk about what happened on the court. the los angeles clippers won. they beat the golden state warriors, they're going on next with the oklahoma city thunder and the likely league mvp kevin durant, the okc will be favored in that series. but the clippers season goes on but so, unfortunately, does the sad saga, as you pointed out, of donald sterling. p even before the clippers took the floor for the game that could end or extend their season, their fans lamented their dilemma, to have a team owner cheered by no one after he shamed himself into a lifetime ban. the superfan called clipper daryl spoke for many. >> it's crazy. when could you say "clippers" and "championship" in the same sentence. now we can and he did this? come on. >> the league has begun the process of forcing donald sterling to sell the team and owners voting unanimously to prepare charges for commissioner adam silver to serve on the 81-year-old billionaire. and during the game news of another development. >> the nba announced today that it would appoint a ceo to oversee the team. >> sterling's wife shelly was at the same. she was quoted as saying she supports the appointment of a ceo but had no comment on the abc interview of her husband's alleged girlfriend v stifian know who recorded sterling's racist comments. >> it hurts to see someone that you care about hurting. >> on the court, the clippers got it done in a game seven nail biter. >> they've gone through held and have survived. >> knocking aside the golden state warriors despite the added burden their owner created? >> we had that baggage with us for the series but now it's pretty much over. i mean, it's obviously still lingering but it's not quite the same. >> sterling, gone as a presence at the arena with the team he's owned for three decades hasn't said whether he'll surrender or sue to try to hold on to the clippers. no matter. the team has moved on. this remains complicated. sterling, as we said, hasn't signalled what he's going to do but the owners' committee representing o 10 of the other 29 teams will meet to come up with the charges. they want the commissioner adam silver to serve on sterling to get it started to force him to sell the team. we're not there yet. alex? >> mike, financial implications, what are they for donald sterling in a sale? >> well, they're huge. if he does sell now, if he does what commissioner wants, he has to pay a 30% capital gains tax. that's based on the difference between value of the team he bought in the '81 which was $12 million and nearly a billion now. so he could be on the hook for a hundred million dollars. so if he stands and fights, files divorce from his wife and it becomes community property he might keep it out of the nba's property. or if he dies his heirs would only pay capital gains on $20 million or $30 million. that capital gains tax. he's having his professional advisors talk to him about that, i'm sure. we're still waiting to hear from donald sterling. >> alex? >> thank you so much, mike. banning sterling may prove to be easier than forcing him to sell the clippers. a sports attorney tells us why at the bottom of the hour. let's go to today's political headlines. a judge in arkansas will hand down his ruling in a case challenging the state's ban on same-sex marriage. yesterday, state attorney general dustin mcdaniel said he supports same-sex couples right to marry but added that despite his personal believes he will continue to defend arkansas's ban in court. texas governor rick perry is weighing in on the oklahoma lethal injection controversy. in an interview on this morning's "meet the press" governor perry, whose state leads the nation in death penalties, argued that any reform should be made on the state level. >> in texas for a substantially long period of time our citizens have decided that if you kill our children, if you kill our police officers, for those very heinous crimes that the appropriate punishment is the death penalty. >> was this inhumane? >> i don't know whether it was inhumane or not but it was botched. >> the next lethal injection scheduled in the u.s. is next week in texas. so far the state says it will go forward. let's go now to ukraine and new video of escalating violence there. hundreds of pro-russian separatists have stormed a police station in odessa demanding the release of more than 100 people detain there had since friday. and this follows violent clashes in the city that left more than 40 people dead. joining me now on the phone, nbc's keir simmons, he joins me from donetsk, ukraine. keir, first to you. we understand that the pro-russian separatists that were detained have been freed. what can you tell us about that? >> that's right. our person there tells us that around 30 activists have been released. what happened was the pro-russian protestors stormed the police station and released them shouting "russia, russia." and what people were worried about in the weeks gone by is whether or not russia might invade ukraine with owl all of military on the border. perhaps what they should have been worrying about the is rule of law disg.i. integrating, potentially the country splitting apart because oe zaesz -- oe zaes is in the south of the country. so it opens up another problem for the ukrainian government and these people were shouting "we will not forgive" because you remember what happens before then was that tens of protestors died in a building when it burned down. there are terrible, terrible stories of people in the street taunting those pro-russian protesters in the building as they were dying. people are clearly furious across southern ukraine there and here in eastern ukraine where i am. there have been protests on the street. here as well we continue to see a town surrounded by the ukrainian military. they do not appear to be moving on that town but that's another potential flash point. alex, there are flash points everywhere and, again, as i say, the concern must be that the ukrainian government in kiev is simply losing control parts of its country. the prime minister here has been criticizing his own police about the way that the police handled the union building that fire -- the fire in the union building before the week end so the prime minister criticizing the country's own police. >> very, very difficult time. thank you very much, keir simmons, for bringing us an update. we appreciate that. there is increasing outcry over the mass kidnappings of teenaged school girls in nigeria. it's been more than two weeks since armed gunman and abducted at least -- get this -- 276 girls. rallies demanding theirs recrew spreading with protests held in various cities including new york and washington. but what's being done find them nbc is following the latest from london. duncan, good day to you. who are the terrorists accusedover taking the girls and what's being done to find them? >> hey, alex. a group called boko haram is being blame bud no group has claimed responsibility. boko haar ram translates as "western education is forbidden." it's a violent islamist group which is trying to carve out an islamic state in nigeria. it's part of the insurgent any that country for the last five years or so that has cost thousands of lives. boko haar ram is confined mostly to the northeast of the country, that is where this girls school was. nobody knows for sure what has happened to them. some parents say that according to villagers some of the girls have been taken across the borders to cameroon and chad. local politicians claim some of the girls have been forced into marriage with their abductors but we just really don't know. secretary of state john kerry is on a tour of african nations. he called the abduction an unacceptable crime. >> the kidnapping of hundreds of children by boko haram is an unconable crime and we do everything possible to support the nigerian government to return these young women to their homes. >> now, it's more than two weeks since those school girls were take son there's a sense of frustration with the nigerian government. there have been protests in nigeria and increasingly in cities around the world. new york, washington and here in london. there's also a social media campaign under way under the banner "bring back our girls." through the night, the nigerian president met with security and local state officials and with the head teacher of that girls school and he said everything must be done to free the girls. but more than two weeks on, it's not clear how they're going about that. alex? >> the whole thing is outrageous. thank you very much for the update from london. more republican fury today over benghazi, but what would a gop-led investigation really accomplish? former governor howard dean next. ... a mouth breather? well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more than allergy medicines alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right. ke me, if yand you're talking toevere rheuyour rheumatologistike me, about a biologic... this is humira. this is humira helping to relieve my pain. this is humira helping me lay the groundwork. this is humira helping to protect my joints from further damage. doctors have been prescribing humira for ten years. humira works by targeting and helping to block a specific source of inflammation that contributes to ra symptoms. humira is proven to help relieve pain and stop further joint damage in many adults. humira can lower your ability to fight infections, including tuberculosis. serious, sometimes fatal events, such as infections, lymphoma, or other types of cancer, have happened. blood, liver and nervous system problems, serious allergic reactions, and new or worsening heart failure have occurred. before starting humira, your doctor should test you for tb. ask your doctor if you live in or have been to a region where certain fungal infections are common. tell your doctor if you have had tb, hepatitis b, are prone to infections, or have symptoms such as fever, fatigue, cough, or sores. you should not start humira if you have any kind of infection. take the next step. talk to your doctor. this is humira at work. ameriprise asked people a simple question: can you keep your lifestyle in retirement? 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what do you think of benghazi being back in the headlines? >> it's along the lines of "obama is a muslim" or "obama was born in kenya." it's a marker for the really hatred-driven core of the republican party. but the problem is, it doesn't do anything for the independents and it probably doesn't do much for reasonable, thoughtful republicans. i don't think john boehner would be having this investigation if he didn't think he needed to do it to keep his caucus together with the 80 far right people in the caucus. so i say bring it on. have as much benghazi investigation as you want. it has no traction among the american people and it shows the republicans for who they have to cater to. >> how about the hillary clinton factor here, though? because as you know she has said repeatedly and as recently as this last week that what happened in benghazi is her "biggest regret." is this just targeting and discrediting her as she potentially gears up for a 2016 run? >> who knows what the motives of these folks are? again, it's this -- who knows what the motive of the obama is a muslim routine were. i can't tell you the motives of people who are slightly off the mark. but i don't think -- look, the most important thing is to look at what people think in america and there's almost no traction whatsoever with this among independents, middle of the roaders, moderate republicans. they'd like to get on to the economy and things that matter. this is a distraction. all the republicans are doing is reinforcing their inability to get anything done in the congre congress. >> all the talk, speculation around a clinton 2016 run gets louder and as you can imagine it came up at the white house correspondents dinner so let's listen to what host joel mchale said about it. >> hillary clinton has a lot going for her as a candidate. she has experience, she's a natural leader and, as our first female president, we could pay her 30% less [ laughter ] that's the save this is country could use! >> so not cool. but any way, governor -- listen, you've been there done that. when can we expect to hear a definite answer one way or the other? give me a timeline here. >> i'm guessing, i don't have an inside pipeline. i don't think secretary clinton has made up here mind. i think she will take into account the needs of the democratic party which won't be so easy to do in terms of having to go through a you have to primary process. i would expect sometime in 2015, well after the 2014 elections are over then she's going to stay. and i think she's got a lot of thinking to do about this. this is a tough one. once you've done this you want to think carefully before you do it again. >> for sure. speaking of the clintons, former president bill clinton defended his economic policies in a very robust speech he delivered to the students at georgetown university yesterday. let's take a listen to that. >> in all the so-called prosperity of the 1980s, only 77,000 of our fellow americans moved from poverty into the middle-class. in the '90s, 100 times as many, 7.7 million people, did. that was policy. [ cheers and applause ] >> i stand corrected, it was not yesterday, that was wednesday's speech. but how much of this do you think was aimed at shaping his own legacy and how much of it might be geared at propelling his wife to the white house in 2016? >> i'm sure there's a little of both d. fact of the matter 1 that the middle-class is has suffered in this country for a long time. the average wage has increased among middle-class people, the bottom 80%, .3% in the last 20 years. so, you know, everybody who's been in office is a little defensive about that. everybody who's been in office is a little defensive about the collapse in 2008 which wasn't obviously 100% george w. bush's fault. of course, those of us who are partisan might want to blame him for it but the truth is, you know, this country's been heading in a direction that it needs to change for a long time. now president clinton is correct. in his administration, a rising tide did lift a lot more boats than were lifted in the following administration but, you know, i can understand what he's doing. i would, too, if i were defending my legacy. the truth is i think we would be better served by looking forward and trying to figure out how to get out of this problem because this income inequality problem is a real problem and it does have to be dealt with it and won't be dealt with by blaming george bush or bill clinton for it. >> you bring up gop there with george bush. on the gop side, there's this certain ex-florida governor who may be giving the current new jersey one a run for his money here. we have the "new york times" reporting that jeb bush's increasingly serious and public consideration of a 2016 run has some major republican donors considering jumping the chris christie ship. if that happened, howard, tell me what would that mean for christie? would it mean curtains for him? >> i think christie's already seeing the curtains. he's a tough guy from new jersey, he doesn't want to admit what he sees and i don't blame him for that. but the problem for chris christie is not whether he's guilty or not -- although obviously if he ends up being guilty of something that will be a huge problem. the problem is he's under two or three investigations. so the first question for every big republican donor is why would i give my money to chris christie who has to defend himself every press conference for two years while he's getting ready to run for president when i can find a moderate alternative? and there are several and i think jeb bush is one of them. jeb bush's problem is that he has, since he's left office, said a lot of things that happen to be true but you shouldn't say them in politics and come across as more moderate. and the problem with coming across as more moderate is it helps you in the general election but it's not easy to get through the primary. so i think you'll see rick perry hold the right wing banner and he'll be good at it. everybody's pooh-poohing him because he forgot a few things in the debate. i wouldn't cut rick perry out at all. i think he'd be a dreadful president but he's a slick politician and he'll raise a ton of money and he'll be a formidable adversary to any moderate. >> i want to throw up a "wall street journal"/nbc news poll that shows 9% 69% of americans believe we should have more than two families. >> i agree with that. >> do you think there's a weariness on both sides. is this something both parties are not taking into consideration? >> you know, the thing is that at the end of the day people are going to judge you for what they think -- who they think you are when they see you. so it's true that both the clinton and bush family will have this stuff around them as the condition di family still does two generations after president kennedy's and robert kennedy's death. but the truth is they actually end up judging you for who you are and especially when you're running for president. you're going to have ample opportunity to examine these two folks if they end up getting the nominations of their respective parties and people are going to make up their mind of what they think of hillary clinton or jeb bush, not which family they came from in minute at the end of the day. >> okay, former governor howard dean. do not stay away so long. see you again soon. >> thanks. it might be the single-biggest region for the nation's stalled economic growth, but what will get it moving again? that's next. . 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>> we knew the weather was going to have a major impact during the first quarter. economists were already predicting something like a 1% growth rate, but what it turned out to be was actually even worse than that. we saw a growth increase only by 0.1%. and that's not a mixup in the decimal places, right? that's a really bad number that showed the economy stagnated. there's even indications from data that's been released since then the economy may have contracted in the first quarter. so that raises the question whether was it actually just the cold winter or is there something more fundamental going on that's causing the economy to just simply not be able to fire on all cylinders? >> but we should say .1 is better than the opposite direction. so do you see the potential here for further growth? things moving higher in the upcoming year? >> well, there is some sense already that things are getting better. so for the second quarter, economists are estimating growth around 3.6%. obviously that's a much bigger number than we saw in the first quarter and we had very good numbers out of the labor department on friday showing that hiring much stronger than expected in april. that's a good sign. but it seems like every time that we have good news in this recovery, it always comes with a caveat. so you're finding that housing which people thought was going to be a real driver of growth this year, that's so far not really giving us the oomph that we need. you're finding people not entering the labor force at the same rate that we would like to see them. a lot of young people instead of looking for summer jobs or things like that, they're simply delaying their job search. so we're not sure if they're going to start entering the market. so there's always a lot of reason to be concerned. but there is some hope that things are getting better. >> those job numbers were pretty good. 288,000? >> 288, 000 jobs created in april. and as you said, we'd rather have jobs created than lost but the decline in unemployment rate was not necessarily driven by job growth but because people were not entering the labor force so we saw the work force shrink. >> give me the perspective, the takeaway for the average consumer on this. >> average consumer should know that things are getting better but it's a slow grind. just the same way it's been since we started this recovery back in 2009. >> good to see you. thank you so much. 'twas the night of wit and wisdom at the white house correspondents dinner. but did the presidential punch lines hit the mark? >> what if your yearly checkup came with tickets to a clippers game? [ laughter ] not the old don sterling clippers, the new oprah clippers. [ laughter ] >> welcome back to "weekends with alex wit." the los angeles clippers have reason to celebrate today. a big win advances the team until the nba playoffs. good news as they try to keep banned owner donald sterling and the scandal surrounding his racist remarks behind them. >> i just thought this team really needed the game. i mean, honestly, i just wanted us to win the game. not because of the -- not winning last year. i just thought with all this stuff this team just needed this win. >> the drama continues off the court. the nba announced they're looking to appoint a new ceo for the team and sterling's wife says she supports the league's decision. what happens next? joining me now, attorney for the national sports authority, everett glenn. welcome, glad you're here. >> thank you for having me. a pleasure. >> sir, what can the nba do? can they appoint a new ceo to run the team without donald sterling's support? >> absolutely. under the nba constitution and bylaws i think the real interest is donald sterling's interest. they can terminate his interest. they can't force the family, it's owned in a trust, to sell the team but they surely is the power to terminate his interest. >> as you know and i mentioned here sterling's wife shelly is on board with the takeover. she released a statement that says in part "i spoke with commissioner adam silver this week to tell him i fully supported his recent swift and decisive action. as a co-owner, i'm fully committed to taking the necessary steps to make the clippers the best team in the nba." but certainly her estranged husband, if you will, they're widely expected to have him fight the nba's ruling in court. he's known to be very, very litigious. how would that work? >> well, the commissioner has wide and broad discretion in this matter and, again, i think the reason why donald sterling's wife is appearing to cooperate is because, again, they can force donald sterling to sell his interest. they can't force the trust to sell the team but i think that's not the real issue with donald sterling. the real issue -- that's the symptom. but the problem is this per sis tent and lingeri ining racism. and we're at the intersection of race, sports, and money and forcing donald sister tloing sell a team is not going to address the underlying reasons, the causes for that, which are the stereotyping of young black men and the underlying channeling of them into sports and athletics as opposed to doctors and lawyers. >> i'm curious if you think shelly sterling's support makes the case for selling the team stronger for the nba? there are concerns about the league's bylaws. they don't have a specific article that applies to ousting an owner over issues of character. so in terms of their legal ground for forcing sterling out, could he produce a valid argument against it? >> well, i would -- i beg to differ, they, in fact, do have a morals clause. any member who's found to either say or endorse comments that are detrimental or presidential to the best interests of basketball or the nba can be fined and any owner or member whose conduct so it's worth what you say and what you do can be the basis of -- and the three quarters vote is the protection for these owners. it's not an arbitrary kind of decision. you have to get three quarters of the other owners to agree that forcing them to sell even because they can by -- by two-thirds vote they can waive whatever penalty is imposed. >> well, you're right, the morals clause does put this under that umbrella, i should think. this morning l.a. mayor eric garcetti addressed the possibility of a boycott or a boycott by certain players or a walkout. let's take a listen to that. >> i think the players are the ones that have the burden of this and they aren't going to want to play for somebody knowing that the money that they're generating for that individual goes into the sorts of attitudes. >> so what if this whole case gets tied up in court for months or even longer. how does this hurt the team? how does it hurt the brand or the nba? >> well, mayor garcetti's comments i find quite interesting because the issue not donald sterling. the issue the intersection of race and sports and money. in los angeles, for example, over the past ten years, 92% of all contracts -- which is our money, he's speaking about the players paying a guy in has these racist attitudes but in los angeles 92% of all the money spent has been spent with white men who represent 14% of the population. so i don't know that the mayor should be the one weighing in on this and the same thing in sacramento. the owner of the sacramento kings. they're building a new arena in sacramento with very it will until any participation. so we're at this intersection and i can see clearly that we have an opportunity and the opportunity is to look beyond the symptom and let's address the cause and the cause is what's happening to these young men and at the national sports authority, www.nsa.org we're developing programs and strategies to stop that. >> good. well, bravo, well done. we're glad you're doing that and we thank you so much, attorney everett glen. thanks. >> thank you for having me. it was a big party here in washington last night. president obama along with hollywood a-listers, politicians and journalists came together for the white house correspondents dinner. the event was filled with punch lines and the evening's headliner comedian joel mchale turned his signature wit on the president himself. >> thanks to obamacare -- or as the president refers to it, mecare -- [ laughter ] millions of newly insured young americans can visit a doctor's office and see what a print magazine actually looks like. [ laughter ] >> despite her late night antics, nbc's kristen welker is joining me from the white house. good day to you, kristen. it was fun to see you. >> it was a fun event and great to see you. that is great tradition that dates back a long time. back to 1920. it's a chance for journalists to have outside of work to talk to celebrities but this year was a bit different because it was the 100th anniversary of the white house correspondents' association. a time-honored washington tradition. oscar winner lupita nyong'o, olympian lindsay vaughn just a few of the big names turnsing up for dinner. >> this is an opportunity for media to meet hollywood to meet politics. >> and his storally a chance for the commander-in-chief to give back some of the heat he's taken. >> let's face it, fox, you'll miss me when i'm gone. [ laughter ] it will be harder to convince the american people that hillary was born in kenya. [ laughter ] [ cheers and applause ] >> reporter: a little self-depprication as well. >> in 2008, my slogan was idea yes, we can." in 2013 my slogan was "control, alt, delete." [ laughter ] >> reporter: headliner nbc's joel mchale didn't spare anyone but may have saved some of his most searing lines for new jersey governor chris christie. >> governor, do you want bridge jokes or size jokes because i got a bunch of both, i can go half and half. i know you'd like a combo platter. [ laughter ] >> there was a serious side to this night. the correspondents' association marking its centennial, celebrating an increasingly diverse group of journalists and naming a new scholarship in the name of the first african-american white house correspondent, harry mcalpine. and the night largely went off without a hitch with the exception of one technical glitch. >> the joke doesn't work without the slide. [ laughter ] oh, well. assume that it was funny. >> now, some have criticized the dinner saying that it's too focused on celebrities but we should point out, alex, that several awards were given out last night and every year to journalists and also scholarships to aspiring journalists. >> absolutely. hey, i want to bring up a picture about this babe in blue from last night. whoa! that was you! >> there it is. that's the dress. that's the dress, alex. [ laughter ] >> phenomenal dress, don't we love talking about the dresses? to that end i have to show -- >> let's see it. >> that's with senator casey. look at this dress. i just love the dress. it was so fun. i got ronan pharaoh, too. >> you looked fantastic. you looked fantastic and it was such a treat to have you here. >> it was the dress. >> it's all about the dress. such a treat to have you here in d.c. >> i'm so glad to be here. and that dress, jenny packham, wow. >> rick perry is talking about the botched execution in oklahoma. what did he say and what does the big three think about it? that's next. up to 38% more than allergy medicines alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right. top of the mornin' to you, sir. this is no time for lollygaggin', lad. but we love lollygaggin'. we do. but it's a battlefield out there! you know the chickweed is surrounding yer sidewalk and the dandelions are stealing precious nutrients! now's the time to send in the scotts turf builder weed & feed, man! it kills weeds while it feeds and strengthens your grass. . thanks, scott. any time, kids. get scotts turf builder weed & feed. it's guaranteed. feed your lawn. feed it! and that's epic, bro, we've forgotten just how good good is. good is setting a personal best before going for a world record. good is swinging to get on base before swinging for a home run. 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>> i don't know whether it was inhumane or not but it was botched. >> so campbell's attorney say that they're going try to use the oklahoma case to win him a reprieve. do you think oklahoma will change up anything? >> i hope so and i think that the last person i want to hear from from on the death penalty is the governor who oversaw really likely the execution of an innocent man in 2004, cameron todd willingham. so rick perry is not the person i'm looking to to talk about this in a very serious way because i think oklahoma really needs to look in the mirror here because really what happened was the human science experiment. and there is no way you can look at the facts of this case and what happened this week and say that what happened was humane. >> okay, the president, as you know, jonathan, said in his press conference yesterday that he is going to -- on friday, rather, that he will discuss with a.g. eric holder about what steps might be taken. what steps might those be and how do you think president obama really feels about the death penalty. >> i think he's evolving on this issue way he did on same-sex marriage and i actually without any evidence, direct evidence, i believe that if you look at the things that he said in new yo york -- in illinois when he was coming up in politics he's probably against the death penalty except perhaps for terrorists because he realizes not only there have there been botched executions before but numerous cases of people on death row in illinois and other states who didn't do it. and we almost executed them and some of them we did execute. also the other thing that this horrific case brings to mind is everybody's going oh, isn't it terrible the way this was botched. it is cruel and unusual punishment but so is the execution. so people who are so upset about the botched execution are not upset able killing people. and justice john paul stevens, just one other thing, alex, has a new book out and he says that the constitution should be amended so when it talks about cruel and unusual punishment it says including execution. >> jason, yesterday we spoke with a reporter from the "tulsa world" who witnessed the execution and here's what she said about the reaction in oklahoma. >> are received a majority of reaction. people saying what about the the victim? i don't care if the inmate felt pain. so did his victim. many people are troubled. they want this carried out lawfully. >> you know, that's a legitimate issue. you could say more concern is being sean for clayton lockett than he showed for his victim. >> he killed somebody and helped other people bury her alive. they need to do this in an organized fashion not in a cheap way they are trying to combine chemicals because they can't find the resources. they denied him his final meal because it was over the $15 limit. at least do this in a way that's organized and consistent. that's the problem. there are terrible people who are terrorists, rapists but do it in an organized fashion. oklahoma the didn't do it. >> one other thing real quick. you have libertarians who believe the government messes up everything it touches except the death penalty. the if they believe government messeses things up clearly innocent people are being executed. >> i want to get right now to the donald sterling and the clippers issue. let's listen to what with the l.a. mayor said. >> i think he is proud of his journey. it's part of the american dream to come from nothing be a billionaire. i don't think he realizes the sting of the remarks for people to have over come so much to be african-american in this country and face the racism. >> what do you think? do you give sterling the benefit of the doubt that he doesn't realize the gravity of his remarks? >> i don't. i don't care what he think it is gravity of the remarks are. it's not here what he said but what his actions are. he has a real history of real dim nation, not just are racist rhetor rhetoric. discriminating against mexicans and blacks and his wife are what's troubling and why he needed to be reare moved from the the head of the clippers. you can't have someone who with behaves in this manner being in control of black players. >> we'll have to leave it there. the must reads are next. .yea dulcolax tablets can cause cramps but not phillips. it has magnesium and works more naturally than stimulant laxatives. for gentle cramp free relief of occasional constipation that works! mmm mmm live the regular life. i have a great fit with my dentures. i love kiwis. i've always had that issue with the seeds getting under my denture. super poligrip free -- it creates a seal of the dentures in my mouth. even well-fitting dentures let in food particles. super poligrip is zinc free. with just a few dabs, it's clinically proven to seal out more food particles so you're more comfortable and confident while you eat. super poligrip free made the kiwi an enjoyable experience. 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>> open hostility towards the civil rights. >> black power! this is the wrong way! ♪ ♪ ♪ we talk about it here as separation of the races. customs and traditions that have been built up over the last hundred years that have proved for the best interests of both, the colored and the white people. >> it was almost 100 years after the emancipation proclamation, and america is still rigidly and racially segregated. black people couldn't vote in the south. they couldn't even go into the public libraries. the public libraries were segregated. the churches were segregated. ♪ ♪ amen >> we are in atlanta, georgia, in the ebb neeser baptist church where a father and son are the co-pass tors. >> frankly, as others have said, i don't know what the future holds but i know who holds the future. this is our hope. this is that something that keeps us going. >> martin luther king was immensely frustrated by the end of the 1950s because he had become famous, he's preaching all over the country, he knows that's his gift. but he says, people cry at my sermons, and the next morning it's still segregated. >> martin king called about 50 ministers from across the south to start a non-violent movement. the understanding of teaching non-violence was clear, but there wasn't anybody that could teach it like jim lawson. >> james lawson has been to india and comes back with this storehouse of gandhiian tactics. >> martin king said come to nashville now, we need you now. so i went to nashville and organized other people. >> now tonight we have a most important business to try to accomplish, and that is to try to have one major role-playing experience, which sort of tries to set the stage for an actual demonstration for an actual sit-in. >> you talk about the civil rights movement in the '60s. people talk about selma, birmingham, confront. but the incubator of it is nashville, tennessee, where james lawson started teaching his classes on nonviolence. teaching people like john lewis, dane bevil, diane nash, how to not swing back if somebody hits you with a nightstick. >> we actually practiced sitting in. some took the role of students who were sitting at a lunch counter and others took the role of white thugs. we were practicing how to remain non-violent even in the face of violence. >> there had been other sit-ins in those early months of 1960, but no one is centrally organizing or coordinating this like the student group from nashville. >> it was on february the 13th. and we had the very first sit-in in nashville. i took my seat at the counter. i asked the waitress for a hamburger and a coke. >> the students sit down at the lunch counter asking to be served, knowing full well that it's against the law. >> we were prepared to be arrested and go to jail and if necessary, stay in jail. >> it was a moving feeling within me that i was sitting there demanding a god-given right. i could no longer be satisfied or go along with an evil system. >> the big surprise for them was that they weren't arrested. they sat there all day and they realized that white people were flummoxed. >> the new tactic came as a surprise, creating bewilderment and confusion in the white communities, and even among the negroes themselves. >> when this disciplined platoon comes into the store, occupies all the seats at the lunch counter, they refuse to move on the request of the store owner. they put on a bullish exhibition of what seems to be plain bad manners. crashing into a place where they are not welcome. i submit to you, sir, it strikes me insane for the leader of the race to charge the store owner with bad behavior. >> mr. kilpatrick you have to agree with me all people should obey just laws. but i would also say that an unjust law is no law at all. and when we find an unjust law, i think we have a moral obligation to take a stand against it. >> during the weeks after the sit-ins began, opposition in the white communities of the south solidified and the first signs of violence appeared. >> the man came out and said that there was a fight down the other side. there was a bunch of colored boys and girls on the stools of the counters. so i instructed the men to put them -- place them under arrest. >> on february 27th, 80 nashville students were arrested out of 300 participating in the sit-ins that day. as the students were confronted with the choice of paying a $50 fine or spending over a month in jail, each of them chose jail. >> i felt free. i felt liberated. i felt like i had crossed over. >> while we were in jail, black women got on the phone and organized an economic withdrawal. >> the negro has a terrific purchasing power. so the merchants of course were feeling the pinch. because they were definitely not coming downtown to spend their money. >> the next day in the nashville, tennessee, morning newspaper the headline, "mayor favored desegregation." was a great victory for the city of nashville. >> the economic boycott was withdrawn and nashville became the first major city in the south to permit whites and negros to eat together in public places. >> a remarkable group that lawson brought together in nashville. they became a cadre. >> we all applauded and here was the situation that turned out right. >> the ideas that they promoted very quickly spread across the region and across the nation. what can i do with my $7 a month anemail the school. acfone? call the doctor. text the groomer. find gear for soccer. send invites to a party. post karate pics. help sean with history. battle of hastings... 1066. all that with my android from tracfone... now with three times the talk, text and data for as low as $7 a month. unbeatable nationwide coverage without a contract. the new samsung galaxy centura. tracfone. do everything for less. the numbers are impressive.y to new york state. over 400,000 new private sector jobs... making new york state number two in the nation in new private sector job creation... with 10 regional development strategies 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[ male announcer ] see if your business qualifies. the sit-in movement. it has challenged certain fundamental concepts of law and is shaking the south in an entirely new way. >> king is extremely pleased with the emergence of the student sit-in movement in early 1960. there were sit-ins in atlanta where dr. king is living by that time. king himself gets arrested in one at rich's department store. king is kept in jail when everyone else is released. >> and that's when it got involved in the presidential campaign. >> john kennedy, the presidential candidate, calls mrs. king to express his concern. very unexpected public gesture. >> within 24 hours, robert kennedy called that judge and asked that he get king out of jail. next thing we knew is daddy king had gone public and had said, i was against having a catholic for president, but if he can wipe the tears from my daughter-in-law's eyes, i have the courage to vote for kennedy for president. and i have a suitcase full of votes. >> dr. king, have you heard anything from vice president nixon or any of his supporters? >> i've been confined and i haven't talked with anybody from washington or from the campaign. >> do you know of any efforts made on behalf of the kennedy group? >> well, i understand that the kennedy group did make definite contacts and did a great deal to make my release possible. >> it turned out that phone call was given credit for kennedy's victory in one of the closest elections in modern history. king said, i hope that at last we have a president with the intelligence to understand this problem. i'm convinced he has that understanding and now we'll have to see what his passion leads him to do. >> but what together we can do -- >> kennedy in his inaugural speech did not have a single mention of a domestic issue. harris wofford said all these people out there, and particularly black people who voted for you, and you've got to give them something. what they did then was add two words talking about freedom and human rights abroad and at home. that was the only mention. >> kennedy's administration is trying to keep a lid on the civil rights issue, and civil right activists are determined to push ahead. >> brave blacks and whites rode into the deep south together on greyhound and trailways buses to challenge segregation as freedom riders. >> the freedom ride started with two buses, 13 people going from washington d.c. to new orleans. >> the concept of the freedom rides was to show that the desegregation laws were not being enforced in the south.des being enforced in the south. >> even though the law the man says that a passenger can ride interstate and participate in the lunchrooms and waiting rooms and bathrooms, the law says everyone cannot, particularly the negro. >> they are buying tickets from town to town and getting off in each town, going into waiting rooms, restaurants, cafes that are traditionally segregated, in such a manner to enrage them and provoke them into acts of violence. that's what they have done. >> we were abroad a greyhound bus going to birmingham. we were surrounded by a mob who followed us out of anise son for about four miles until one of our tires went flat. and finally threw a bomb into the bus. the bus filled very rapidly with black smoke. >> meanwhile, when the trailways bus got to birmingham, it was even worse. >> they dragged about six of the passengers out, both negro and white and took them into alleys and began beating them, began hitting them with lead pipes. they knocked one man, a white man down at my feet and beat him and kicked him until his face was a bloody red pulp. >> the riders were severely beaten, could not continue. the nashville movement decided that we had to take up the freedom ride where it had left off. >> groups would be dispatched. >> diane nash said the line that made the difference. she said, we will not allow violence to destroy nonviolence. this is the test. ten of the kids said, we will go tonight. and that's the stuff that makes you free. that's the stuff that is freedom. >> a group of them got on a bus in birmingham. when the bus pulled into the montgomery station, john lewis could see hundreds of whites headed towards them with baseball bats, bricks, rocks. >> an angry mob just came out of nowhere. they started beating the freedom riders. i was hit with a wooden crate. beaten, left lying in a pool of blood. >> before police finally broke up the crowd with tear gas, they beat and injured at least 20 persons. >> after the riders are attacked and brutally beaten, the freedom riders essentially become tranned in ralph abernathy's first baptist church. >> the church was surrounded and people were setting fire to cars. >> that is a very dangerous situation outside. no one but no one could leave the church. >> dr. king had gone over to montgomery from atlanta to lend support to the freedom riders. and so king, too, along with the riders, is trapped at this church. >> now it's very easy for us to get angry and bitter and even violent in a moment like this. but i think this is a testing point. much like these majestic rocky mountains. which must be named after the... that would be rocky the flying squirrel, mr. gecko sir. obviously! ahh come on bullwinkle, they're named after... ...first president george rockington! that doesn't even make any sense...mr...uhh...winkle. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. mayo? 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this situation, i want to make this announcement. that the city is now under martial law and troops are on the way into montgomery. >> now this thing with king and all of the so-called freedom riders is to return to their homes, go back to their books, and mind their own business. >> finally, with federal intervention, the freedom riders were put on a bus and headed to jackson. >> we pull on into jackson. the wagon was waiting for us. >> you are under arrest -- >> we didn't know it at the time, but the kennedys had agreed that the freedom riders could be imprisoned. >> the kennedy administration makes a deal whereby the mississippi police units agree that there will be no violence, but the tradeoff is that every freedom rider arriving in jackson immediately will be arrested. >> officials in mississippi think they found a legal way to circumvent desegregation. their method, calling any defiance of segregation a threat to the peace in an area whereupon lar feelings run so high. >> the freedom riders included james bevel, john lewis, james lawson, among others were sent parchman state penitentiary. to the state penitentiary. >> so this guy takes me back to the jail cell and prison doors slam it has an effect on you. the sound, you thought you would never get out again. >> as soon as they leave and get tired of stirring up trouble, we're going back to the same old way of living that's made our city such a wonderful place in which to live. thank you very much, mr. mayor. >> this attempt to stop the freedom rides only served to fuel the flames of the civil rights movement. >> i would like to see the hands of those of you who will be willing to continue the freedom ride in the near future. show of hands, please. >> freedom ride after freedom ride would come through and get arrest in jackson and go to jail and get moved to partnerman penitentiary. >> during the time they spent in prison, a bond formed and they came out of prison more dedicated than ever. and they began to fan out across the south. >> james h. meredith, so that of a cotton farmer, grandson of a slave, and applicant to the university of michigan university. james, what do you want from the university of mississippi? >> i think every citizen should have the opportunity to receive an education in his own state. i think he should have an education -- an opportunity to receive the best possible education. >> mississippi air force veteran james meredith insists on being admitted to the university of mississippi. and ross barnett, the governor of the state, he's not going to let this happen. >> we hereby deny you admission to the university of mississippi. >> and it becomes a crisis. >> ross arnett withdrew local police and allowed the campus to turn into a kind of war zone. >> please can't you give an order -- >> how can i remove him governor when there is a riot in the street and step out of the building and something happen to him? we've got to get somebody up there now to get order and stop the firing and the shooting. then you and i will talk on the phone about meredith. first we've got to get order. >> finally, the army arrives from memphis and comes rolling on the campus and stops the riot at that point. >> i deeply regret the fact that any action by the executive branch was necessary in this case. but all other avenues and alternatives, including persuasion and conciliation, have been tried and exhausted. >> james meredith went to school at ole miss today, but his travels to and from classes were not those of a regular student. >> go on, now! >> for everywhere meredith went, so did his escorts. federal marshals and troops of the united states army. >> there is no country where the violence of sunday and monday has gone unreported. for example, the biggest story in the "london evening standard" was the violence on the mississippi campus. it was described as humiliating for american democracy and embarrassing for american abroad. >> i think my father and uncle were forced on the policy issues of america's leadership in the globe and saw the civil rights movement in our country as kind of a distraction. >> i think this is a choice before the president. he must start now making moral decisions, rather than purely political decisions. ories" card. it's the no-category-gaming, no-look-passing, clear-the-lane-i'm- going-up-strong, backboard-breaking, cash back card. this is the quicksilver cash back card from capital one. unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, every single day. i'll ask again... what's in your wallet? 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>> i may not be able to do it, but i'll die trying. >> beau conner has a well-known identity as one of the hardest hardliners in defensive segregation. he encouraged the hiring of klansmen on his police force. >> king is assuming that beau conner is going to provide the pictures and footage they need to outrage the country. >> police commissioner beau conner used mass arrests, fire hoses, police dogs to break up the demonstrations. >> the demonstrations continued for weeks. you've got 12, 14, 20 adults maximum per day marching, they're making no news, and the numbers were dwindling. the movement was on the brink of extinction when bevel and the nashville movement comes along and says, i've got plenty of teenagers in my youth workshops who are willing to go to jail. >> i was on the phone constantly with jim, with diane, and others about making it happen. >> there is an understandable reluctance on king's part when their parents are going to be furious for putting their children in the line of fire. >> finally, it's king who makes the decision to send the children into the streets. >> will you use the hoses and dogs? >> we will use the dogs if they start drawing knives again, throwing rocks. we'll use the hose if it becomes necessary to stop the mob. >> most of the pickets and the marchers were juveniles instead of the adults seen in previous protests. officers quickly moved in to make the arrests under the direction of commissioner beau conner. police overflowed juvenile hall with the youthful demonstrators. all kinds of vehicles had to be pressed into service to carry the negroes. cars, police paddywagons, later in the day, school buses. the sheriff's department estimated upwards of 400 had been arrested. >> instead of 14 adults, you had 600 teenagers and the next day a thousand and that's when the dogs and the fire hoses came out. >> of course what he was doing was exactly what head of the civil rights movement in birmingham wanted him to do, to create the theater that was going to be broadcast on national television that would show just how bad things were in birmingham. >> demonstrators attacked with water hoses were as young as 6, 8, 9 years old. >> why did you want to take part in the demonstrations? >> just all the color folks get together and take part in certain fights for freedom maybe they'll get some. but if they don't they won't get nowhere. >> birmingham was a crucible in which the soul of the nation was being forged. >> the negro drive for equality gathered momentum this week. the supreme court sanctioned sit-in demonstrations, another court removed the strongly segregationist government of birmingham dominated by eugene bull conner. >> all i can see is i enjoyed my 22.5 years as public safety commissioner in the city of birmingham. i don't believe i owe the taxpayers of birmingham anything. they're going to owe me almost two and a half years back pay. >> don't shop for anything on capitol street. these are stores that helped to support the white citizens council. >> medgar evers, operating in and around jackson, mississippi, the heart of resistance to desegregation. >> the nbc network affiliate was notorious for featuring segregation speeches and become such a problem that medger evers demanded equal time. >> when the jackson, mississippi, television station found itself under threat from the fcc, they agreed to allow medgar everers to go on television and make a statement about the goals of the movement. >> you black son of a bitch that's on television? been on more than goddamn 17 minutes, they better get his black ass off or i'll get up there and take him off. >> -- >> sir, this is -- >> this is below the mason-dixon line, you don't have to put the black jungle bunnies on tv. >> to many white mississippians it was an outrage. that's the first time a black man had been allowed to appear on television in mississippi. certainly to argue against segregation. it made him in some ways a marked man in mississippi. >> we'll be demonstrating here until freedom comes to negroes here in jackson, mississippi. his shoes! and a third simply doesn't want to be here. ♪ until now... until right booking now. ♪ planet earth's number one accomodation site booking.com booking.yeah! the numbers are impressive.y to new york state. over 400,000 new private sector jobs... making new york state number two in the nation in new private sector job creation... with 10 regional development strategies to fit your business needs. and now it's even better because they've introduced startup new york... with the state creating dozens of tax-free zones where businesses pay no taxes for ten years. become the next business to discover the new new york. 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>> of course i -- we'll have to wait and see exactly what transpires on that occasion. >> at the center of this potential storm are two young negro students. he's 20 years old, made the national honor society when she attended a segregated high school in her hometown of mobile, alabama. he's also 20, was president of his class in high school at gads stop, alabama, and president of the student council. >> what's the general feeling around the campus concerning the agreement to admit the negro here this summer? >> well, all the students i've talked to and my friends feel that it's not going to be any repeat of the mississippi situation, there's not going to be no violence. >> well, i feel like it won't be as much trouble as has been on other campuses. but it will be bad news when the n-comes i comes in- comes in. >> does the governor plan to use federal marshals if he does go through with his announced intention to prevent the negro students from entering? >> i know there's great opposition in alabama and indeed in any state to federal marshals and federal troops. and i would be very reluctant to see us reach that point. >> you know, those kennedys up there in washington, that little body flop and his brother the president, they'd give anything in the world if we had some trouble here. george asked me to do that, do him one thing. tell your friends between now and tuesday, don't go up there. leave it alone. they're going to handle this situation. >> governor wallace ordered 500 alabama national guardsmen into tuscaloosa. at the moment they are under his control. it would require hardly more than the flourish of a pen to convert their status into federalized troops and place them at the disposal of president kennedy. >> national guard units are commanded by a governor unless they are federalized and the president becomes their commander in chief. kennedy had to make the decision of what to do next. >> president kennedy has done some significant things in civil rights. at the same time, i must say that president kennedy hadn't done enough, and we must remind him that we elected him. >> under a searing alabama sun that already has the temperature near 100 degrees, the waiting continues. governor george wallace's direct confrontation with federal authorities and two negro students at the university of alabama is now believed to be only a very short time away. the two negroes, vivian malone and jimmy hood, reportedly are en route from birmingham to the campus. governor wallace about ready to make his appearance on campus. >> coming into it, nobody knows what's going to happen. the justice department doesn't know what wallace is going to do. wallace doesn't know whether he's going to be put in jail. >> as governor and chief magistrate of the state of alabama, i deem it to be my solid obligation and duty to stand before you representing the rights and sovereignty of this state and its peoples. and now being mindful of my duties and responsibilities under the constitution of the united states, the constitution of the state of alabama, and seeking to preserve and maintain the peace and dignity of this state and the individual freedoms of the citizens thereof, do hereby denounce and forbid this illegal and unwarranted action by the central government. >> governor wallace, i take it from that statement that you are going to stand in that door and that you are not going to carry out the orders, is that correct? >> i stand upon this statement. >> you stand upon that statement. governor, i'm not interested in a show. i don't know what the purpose of the show is. i am interested in the orders of these courts being enforced. that is my only responsibility here. the choice is yours. i would ask you once again to responsibly step aside. very well. >> remain on the campus. >> the justice department says that the negro students will be enrolled sometime today. >> after ole miss, the kennedys learned their lesson about negotiating with a southern governor. kennedy just decides to go ahead and federalize the guard. he's not going to play games anymore. the national guard general henry graham goes up to wallace. he says, "it is my sad duty to tell you to step aside." >> we shall now return to montgomery for the purpose of continuing this fight, this constitutional fight, because we are winning. >> governor wallace moved away from the door and has left after being confronted with about 150 federalized national guardsmen. >> united states assistant attorney general nicholas katzenbach all smiles as the two negro students are to enter the registration building. >> each time a big issue came up, the president and the attorney general did everything they could not to have to get involved. and it was after the encounter with wallace that civil rights became top priority. >> this is not a sectional issue. difficulties over segregation and discrimination exist in every city, in every state of the union. but love alone cannot make men see right. we are confronted primarily with a moral issue. it is as old as the scriptures and as clear as the american constitution. >> and that was the first time the president made the question of ending racial segregation not because it's politically expedient to do so, because it is morally right to do so. >> next week i shall ask the congress of the united states to act, to make a commitment it has not fully made in this century to the proposition that race has no place in american life or law. >> it's his most eloquent speech in some ways, most heartfelt speech. >> and this nation for all its hopes will not be fully free until all its citizens are free. >> there's a kind of bitter irony in that within hours afterwards, medgar evers comes home and his wife and children are up because they want to tell him about the president's wonderful speech. >> shortly after midnight, medgar evers steps in his car in this driveway. then evers was murdered. the fatal bullet was fired from a vacant lot across the street from ever es'home, crashing through his body and through the window of his home. he was 37. >> i was appalled at the cowardly ambush of him at his home in front of his wife and children. it said something about how far we still had to go in reaching any semblance of social and civic justice. the fact is, it comes standard with an engine that's been called the benchmark of its class. really, guys, i thought... it also has more rear legroom than other midsize sedans. and the volkswagen passat has a lower starting price than... much better. vo: hurry in and lease the 2014 passat s for $199 a month. visit vwdealer.com today. mayo? 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we want our freedom, and we want it now. >> and i would never forget the speech of martin luther king jr. on that day, dr. king spoke out of his soul. and he used that day and the steps of the lincoln memorial to preach a sermon. not just to america, but to the world. >> i am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation. >> as he is speaking, mahalia jackson shouts to him, "tell them about the dream, martin! tell them about the dream." and i see him take the written text, and he slides it to the left side of the lectern, looks out on the 350,000 people there, and then he speaks. >> i have a dream that one day this nation will rise up, live out the true meaning of its creed, "we hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal." i have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. i have a dream today. let freedom ring from every hill of mississippi, from every mountainside. let freedom ring. when we allow freedom to ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to feed up that day when all of god's children, black men and white men, jews and gentiles, protestants and catholics, will be able to join hands and sing in the words of the old negro spiritual, "free at last, free at last, thank god almighty we are free at last." >> i don't think they quite anticipated just how successful it would be. it represents the civil rights movement at a kind of high watermarwater mark. >> the momentum of change seems to be accelerating, and the hearts of 21 million american negroes, untold millions of sympathetic whites. they're meeting tonight in the hope that the dream of negro equality was at last overtaking the reality of history. ♪ freedom, freedom >> in the immediate wake of the march on washington, the civil rights movement has a national glow to it that it never before had had. but that glow tragically lasts hardly two weeks. >> the bombing of this birmingham, alabama church claimed the lives of four little girls attending sunday school. >> that was the church out of which all the kids had marched. in may. so it was clearly a punishment.. so it was clearly a punishment. >> we felt like we were involved because if there had been no movement, chances are that bombing would not have taken place. >> kids were murdered in birmingham on a sunday and in sunday school in a christian nation, and nobody cares. we work with leading employers to learn what you need to learn so classes impact your career. while helping ensure credits you've already earned pay off. and we have career planning tools to keep you on track every step of the way. plus the freshman fifteen, isn't really a thing here. and graduation, it's just the beginning. because we build education around where you want to go. so, you know, you can get the job you want. ready, let's get to work. 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well, what the hell is the presidency for then? >> no memorial oration or eulogy could more eloquently honor president kennedy's memory than the earliest possible passage of the civil rights bill for which he fought so long. >> johnson gets that civil rights bill moving in the first few weeks after kennedy's assassination. >> dixiecrats led by richard russell announced a filibuster. that is, they would continue to talk and prevent the bill from coming forward for a straight up or down vote. >> this bill which we feel is a perversion of the american way of life and a great blow at the right of dominion over private property that has been the genesis of our greatness. >> lbj and his allies knew they were short. so thus began a 24/7 campaign. he bullied. he cajoled. he made deals in order to get enough senators on board. >> surprisingly, after a year on capitol hill, this bill is stronger than the one president kennedy first requested. president johnson should have the bill on his desk by the fourth of july. >> we hope to send into mississippi this summer upwards of 1,000 teachers, ministers, and students to open up mississippi to the country. >> freedom summer, an operation to flood the state of mississippi with volunteers, white and black students. >> we were there because we could assume that if the white mississippians mistreated us the way they mistreated the black people, that would be the basis on which to mobilize national opinion. >> we will treat anyone with great respect here in mississippi, but we will treat the people who come here, these children, like any other backward children should be treated. >> and here is the news. >> there is some mystery and some fear concerning three civil rights workers, two whites from new york city and a negro from mississippi. police say they arrested the three men for speeding yesterday, but released them after they posted bond. they have not been heard from since. >> they paid the fine and i released them and escorted them to their car. and that's the last time we saw any of them. >> we got word that mickey and andy and james had been arrested. and there was no word what had happened to them. >> mr. president, i wanted to let you know we have found the car. >> yeah? >> now, this is not known, nobody knows this at all, but the car was burned and we do not know yet whether any bodies are inside of the car because of the intense heat. it's merely an assumption that probably they were burned in the car. >> or maybe kidnapped and locked up. >> well, i would doubt whether those people down there would even give them that much of a break. >> we believe that all men are entitled to the blessings of liberty. yet millions are being deprived of those blessings. not because of their own failures, but because of the color of their skin. we can understand without rancor or hatred how this all happened. but it cannot continue. our constitution, foundation of our republic, forbids it. the principles of our freedom forbid it. and the law i will sign tonight forbids it. ♪ >> senator hubert humphrey has called the civil rights bill the greatest piece of social legislation of our generation. >> tell somebody my stamp, make sure we get some more pens here -- >> the civil rights act of 1964 is not going to create instant brotherhood. no one pretends that. but the attorney general gets new power to bring suits against racial discrimination in voting, in public accommodations, in education, in employment. if a court finds you guilty of violating some part of the civil rights law, and if you continue violating the law, you can be fined or put in jail until you stop violating the law. >> three civil rights workers have disappeared in mississippi. they have not been heard from. our search has thus far produced only one clue, the burned-out station wagon in which the three were last seen riding. there is little hope they still alive. >> schwerner, chaney and goodman were found shot to death at the base of a recently built dam just six miles from the city of philadelphia. their bodies wrapped in plastic bags numbered one, two, and three were taken to the state medical center in jackson for identification and examination. >> the two white boys were shot once each through the heart. james chaney, the black youth, had been beaten with chains until every bone in his body was broken, then he was shot three times. >> the finding of the bodies of the three mississippi civil rights workers is a saddening and shocking reminder of the brutality of race hatred. we naturally expect that those responsible for these terrible murders will be brought to justice. ♪ we shall overcomesomeday ♪ >> we know they're going to say not guilty. because no one saw them pull the trigger. i'm tired of that. don't bow down anymore. hold your heads up. we want our freedom now. i don't want to have to go to another memorial. i'm tired of killing, tired of it. you have to stand up. >> the arrests had started before dawn. in all, fbi men picked up 21 men. included in the group were the chief law officers of the county, sheriff lawrence rainy and deputy cecil price. >> they were murdered by ku klux klanmen with conspiratorial help of the local sheriff. >> bond was set. but less than a week later the accused were set free, their bond lifted. for james chaney's mother it was a shock, frustration, disappointment. the legal answer to her son's murder seemed to her as far away as ever. in the nation in new private sector job creation... with 10 regional development strategies to fit your business needs. and now it's even better because they've introduced startup new york... with the state creating dozens of tax-free zones where businesses pay no taxes for ten years. become the next business to discover the new new york. 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vote under the laws of alabama. >> once the voting rights act was passed and people got the right to vote, they stopped sitting in and started voting. and that turned out to be much more effective. >> the number of blacks who began voting across the south, the number of black office holders at the local level, the state level, at the congressional level, one of the greatest changes in american society. >> this is what james meredith intends to do for the next two weeks, march along the highways of mississippi, a state where he is one of the most hated men alive. his purpose, meredith hopes to encourage unregistered negroes along the way to qualify as voters. he also by his very presence hopes to dispel some of the fear negroes have in the south. >> in 1965 with the passage of the voting rights act, you'd have thought anything was possible. but then very quickly after that, things start to fall apart. >> i'm shot in the leg. >> as james meredith was walking along the highway, a gunman stepped out of the woods and just blasted him with a shotgun. >> meredith was taken to a memphis hospital under police guard. his blood still remains on the highway. >> once he was shot, then there had to be some response by the movement. they had to show that the segregationists can't win that way. they got together and decided to continue the march. stokely carmichael and martin luther king. stokely carmichael was very much unlike the national group in terms of his perspective. >> we feel that we must continue this march right now, that it is urgent to do it. and we will be calling on people of good will from all over the nation to join us in this march. >> martin luther king was almost at the level of sainthood. stokely carmichael understood that he needed that symbol in order to provide legitimacy for what he was trying to do. >> we want to put president johnson on the spot. he called a conference two days ago to fulfill these rights. we want those rights fulfilled. they cannot be fulfilled with words. words cannot stop bullets. and we need action and we need it now from the federal government. >> no more questions, gentlemen. >> all right. >> we have the march. >> the most impressive thing about this march on mississippi is a developing coalition among civil rights leaders. there are reports of differences between leaders, and they are true. but their organizations have always been divided. a split among them is nothing new. put them all together on a march on a highway in mississippi, and frictions emerge because of personal competition and individual ego. >> our sweat and blood built mississippi, and we got to take it over because we deserve to have it. that's what we are working for. >> stokely carmichael started expressing the goal now is black people exercising power. >> let me say first that this march is nonviolent. it is a nonviolent expression of our determination to be free. this is a principle of the march, and certainly we intend to keep this march nonviolent. >> mr. carmichael, are you as committed to the nonviolent approach as dr. king is? >> no, i'm not. >> why aren't you? >> i just don't see this as a way of life. i never have. and i also realize that no one in this country is asking the white community in the south to be nonviolent. and that in a sense is giving them a free license to go ahead and shoot us at will. >> if there was a symbol of white anger at negro protest in the north this summer, it was cicero, illinois, a town chosen by dr. martin luther king as the pressure point in his open housing drive. >> dr. king takes the civil rights movement north to chicago. and the issue is housing. >> the northern scene was a far more complicated scene and did not have the advantage of the jim crow law. as a target. >> it was one thing for northern liberals when the issue was integration in selma. it's quite a different thing when it was in cicero. >> if let's say 10 or 20 families moved into cicero, which is a town of 70,000? >> they'd get killed. >> it was the beginning of serious white backlash against the entire civil rights movement. >> the nation suddenly learned what it should have known, that racial prejudice was not just a southern problem, it was nationwide. whites in the north formerly could confront themselves by pointing an accusing finger at the south, they could do so no longer. >> once again showing open hostility against demonstrators. these people here are firmly opposed to these marches. moreover, they don't see where they serve any useful purpose. >> most of the national press categorizes chicago as a defeat for king. >> i can say that i have never seen, even in mississippi and alabama, mobs as hostile and as hate-filled as have i seen in chicago. >> there was a growing feeling that king's movement wasn't working. he had lost a lot of support from whites and blacks. >> martin luther king is a good man. he's my brother. he's still like me. we're all catching hell. he's got his approaches to freedom. he is doing his best. and he is changing now too. he sees now that it seems to be impossible to do what he want to do. >> king was rapidly being eclipsed by a younger and much more militant faction of the black power movement. >> we are not going to let these white people come into our neighborhoods and kill us. >> there was a lot of disunity because the only thing that had really kept the black community together ironically was segregation. once that has been overcome, then the question is what do you want? >> i would like for all of us to believe in nonviolence, but i'm here to say tonight that if every negro in the united states turns against nonviolence, i'm going to stand up as a lone voice and say this is the wrong way. ♪ ♪ ♪ but we're not in the business of naming names. the volkswagen passat is heads above the competition, the fact is, it comes standard with an engine that's been called the benchmark of its class. really, guys, i thought... it also has more rear 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black man is touched, every black man will rise up and let this country know they're not going to tolerate. >> you talk about loving these honkies to death. during these rebellions, you have to stop looking and start shooting. >> black power. >> the issue is one that moves across civil rights, moves across poverty. we get this explosion of violence. you have the watts riots. then subsequently riots in newark, in detroit. >> the riots spring to the fore the problems of inner city life. a consequence of a generation of neglect in america's urban centers. this happened on 12th street in detroit in july. next time it could happen downtown or in your town. >> when you stood on the lincoln memorial, you said "i had a dream." did that dream envision the federal government preventing the society doing for the negroes that what you think had to be done? >> it was a high moment, a great watershed moment. but i must confess that that dream that i had that day has at many times turned into a nightmare. now i'm not one to lose hope. i keep on hoping. i still have faith in the future. but i've had to analyze many things over the last few years, and i would say over the last few months i've gone through a lot of soul-searching and agonizing moments. and some of the old optimism was a little superficial. and now it must be tempered with a solid realism. and i think the realistic fact is that we still have a long, long way to go. >> martin luther king jr. was killed tonight in memphis, tennessee, shot in the face as he stood on the balcony of his hotel room. >> martin was gone. and the main part of everything was over. and we knew that the movement would never be the movement as it was, but then the things that we had lived and really fought for was one. >> i just want to do god's will, and he has allowed me to go up to the mountain. i've looked over and i've seen the promised land. i may not get there with you, but i want you to know tonight that we as a people will get to the promised land. so i'm happy tonight. i'm not worried about anything. i'm not fearing any man. mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the lord. >> there were many kinds of sacrifices made for freedom. most liberation struggle is trying to bring about a better world and a better society. >> we had to give everything we had to the movement. we accepted a way of peace as a way of life to wear nonviolence as way of life, as a way of living. >> we forged an agenda in the mind of the country. the movement begins with montgomery, becomes the sit-in campaign, the freedom ride, the birmingham campaign, the mississippi summer, the selma to montgomery march. >> history will record that those singular cumulative acts of courage transformed the south. transformed the country. >> we wanted to change america, make america better, not just for our generation, but for generation yet unborn. >> all of the civil rights, all the marches, all the people who have died in the civil rights struggle will have died in vain if once the opportunity, once the doors are open, no one is prepared for it. i know there's got to be several young people here who are like 5 years old, right? it's now becoming a possibility that that young man by the time he is 50 could be running for the president of the united states. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com it is a mixture of pretty scenery, an ugly event. vietnam reports today of the bloodiest fighting in almost a year. >> we will not surrender, and we will not retreat. >> think you can win? i know we can win. >> they are being killed. >> stop this bloody aggression. >> we're in the middle. ♪
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segregated. >> martin king called about 50 ministers from across the south to start a non-violent movement. the understanding of teaching non-violence was clear, but there wasn't anybody that could teach it like jim lawson. >> james lawson has been to india and comes back with this store house of gandhiian tactics. >> martin king said come to nashville now, we need you now. so i went to nashville and organized other people. >> now, tonight, we have a most important business to try to accomplish, and that is to try to have one major role-playing experience, which sort of tries to set the stage for an actual demonstration for an actual sit-in. >> you talk about the civil rights movement in the '60s is, people often talk about selma and birmingham and montgomery, but the incubator of it all was tennessee where james lawson started teaching his lessons about nonlessons. teaching people like james louis and. >> dan: nash how to not swing back if somebody hits you with a nightstick. >> we actually practiced sitting in. some took the role of students who were sitting at a lunch counter, and others took the role of white thugs. we were practicing how to remain non-violent even in the face of violence. >> there had been other sit-ins in those early months of 1960, but no one is centrally organizing or coordinating this like the student group from nashville. >> it was on february 13th, and we had the very first sit-in in nashville. i took my seat at the counter. i asked the waitress for a hamburger and a coke. >> the students sit down at the lunch counter asking to be served, knowing full well it's against the law. >> we were prepared to be arrested and go to jail, and if necessary, stay in jail. >> well, it was a moving feeling within me that i was sitting there demanding a god-given right. i could no longer be satisfied or go along with an evil system. >> the big surprise for them was that they weren't arrested. they sat there all day and they realized that white people were flummoxed. >> it is creating bewilderment and confusion among the white communities and even among the kneeing grows themselves. >> when this disciplined platoon comes into a store and occupies all of the seats at the lunch counter, they renewsed to move on the request of the store owner, they put on a boorish exhibition of what seems to be bad manners and crashing into a place where they are not welcom, i submit it comes with poor grace where their spokesman charges the store owner with bad behavior. >> mr. kilpatrick, i think on this point, you would have to agree with me that all people should obey just laws, but i would also say that an unjust law is no law at all. and when we find an unjust law, he think we have a moral obligation to take a stand against it. >> during the weeks after the sit-ins began, opposition in the white communities of the south solidified and the first signs of violence appeared. >> a man cape out and said that there was a fight down there on the side. there was a bunch of colored boys and girls on the stools in the counters so i instructed the men to put them under arrest. >> on february 27th, 80 nashville students were arrested out of over 300 who were participating in the 8-ins that day. as the students were confronted with the choice of paying a $50 fine or spending over a month in jail, each of them chose jail. >> i felt free. i felt liberated. i felt like i had crossed over. >> while we were in jail, black women got on the phone and organized an economic withdrawal. >> the negro has a terrific purchasing power. so the merchants, of course, was feeling the pinch because they were definitely not coming downtown to spend that money. >> the next day in nashville tennessee in the newspaper had a headline, mayor favored desegregation. it was a great victory for the movement and for the city of nashville. >> the economic boycott was withdrawn, and nashville became the first major city in the south to permit whites and negros to eat 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>> i've been confined and i haven't talked with anybody from washington or from the campaign. >> do you know of any efforts made on behalf of the kennedy group? >> well, i understand that the kennedy group did make definite contacts and did a great deal to make my release possible. >> it turned out that phone call was given credit for kennedy's victory in one of the closest elections in modern history. king said, i hope that at last we have a president with the intelligence to understand this problem. i'm convinced that he has that understanding, and now we'll have to see what his passion leads him to do. >> but what together we can do -- >> kennedy in his inaugural speech did not have a single mention of a domestic issue. harris wofford said all these people out there and particularly black people who voted for you and you've got to give them something. what they did then was add two words talking about freedom and human rights abroad and at home. that was the only mention. >> kennedy's administration is trying to keep a lid on the civil rights issue, and civil right activists are determined to push ahead. >> brave blacks and whites rode into the deep south together on greyhound and trailways buses to challenge segregation as freedom riders. >> the freedom ride started with two buses, 13 people going from washington d.c. to new orleans. >> the concept of the freedom rides was to show that the segregation laws were not being enforced in the south. >> even though the law of the land says that a passenger can ride interstate and participate in lunchrooms and waiting rooms and bathrooms an, the law says this, everyone cannot, particularly the negro. they are buying tickets from town to town and getting off in each town, going into waiting rooms, restaurants, cafes that are traditionally segregated in such a manner as to enrage them and provoke them into acts of violence. that's what they are doing. >> we were aboard a greyhound bus going to birmingham. we were surrounded by a mob. who followed us out for about four miles until one of our tires went flat. they finally threw a bomb into the bus. the bus filled very rapidly with black smoke. >> meanwhile, when the trailways bus got to birmingham, it was even worse. >> they dragged about six of the passengers out, both negro and white, they took them into the corridors and alleys and began beating them, began hitting them with lead pipes. they knocked one man, a white man down at my feet and beat him and kicked him until his face was a bloody red pulp. >> the riders were severely beaten, could not continue. the nashville movement decided that we had to take up the freedom ride where it had left off. >> groups would be dispatched. >>. >> dan: die and nash side the line made the difference. she said we will not allow violence to destroy nonviolence. this was the test. ten of the kids said we will go tonight and that's the stuff that makes you free. that's the stuff that is freedom. >> a group of them got on a bus in birmingham. when the bus pulled into the montgomery station, john lewis could see hundreds of whites headed towards him with baseball bats, bricks, rocks. >> an angry mob just came out of nowhere. they started beating the freedom riders. i was hit with a wooden crate, beaten, left lying in a pool of blood. >> before police finally broke up the crowd with tear gas, they beat and injured at least 20 persons. >> after the riders are attacked and brutally beaten, the freedom riders essentially become trapped in ralph abernathy's first baptist church. >> the church was surrounded and people were setting fire to cars. >> it is a very dangerous situation. outside. no one, but no one could leave the church. >> dr. king had gone over to montgomery from atlanta to lend support to the freedom riders and so king, too, along with the riders is trapped at this church. >> now, it's very easy for us to get angry and bitter and even violent in a moment like this, but i think this is a testing point. ♪ so nice, so nice ♪ sweet, sweet, st. thomas nice ♪ ♪ so nice, so nice ♪ st. croix full of pure vibes ♪ so nice, so nice ♪ st. john a real paradise ♪ so nice, so nice ♪ proud to be from the virgin islands ♪ ♪ and the whole place nice [ female announcer ] to experience your virgin islands nice, book one of our summer packages today. >> i hope that we will remain calm as we have done in so many touchy, difficult moments and i know we're going to do it. >> martin luther king jr. placed a call to robert kennedy and said to the attorney general, something must be done. >> we are planning during the course of this afternoon to send in several hundred more u.s. marshals from around the country to help and assist. >> president kennedy called out the united states marshalls, he placed the city of montgomery under martial law. >> in this situation, i want to making this announcement that the city is now under martial law, and troops are on the way into the montgomery. [ cheers ] >> now this thing with king and all of the so-called freedom riders is to return to the -- their homes, go back to their books and mind their own business. >> finally, with federal intervention, the freedom riders were put on a bus and headed to jackson. we pull on into jackson. the wagon was waiting for us. >> you're under arrest for refusing to -- >> we didn't know it at the time, but the kennedys had agreed that the freedom riders could be imprisoned. >> the kennedy administration makes a deal whereby the mississippi police units agree that there will be no violence, but the tradeoff is that every free rider arriving in jackson immediately will be arrested. >> officials in mississippi think they've found a legal way to circumvent desegregation. their method calling any defiance of segregation a threat to the peace in an area where popular feelings run so high. >> the freedom riders included james bevel, john lewis, james lawson, among others, were sent parchman state penitentiary. >> so this guy takes me back to the jail cell and prison doors slam, it has an effect on you. that sound, you felt you would never get out again. >> as soon as the agitators leave and get tired of trying to stir up trouble, we're going back to the same old way of living that's made our city such a wonderful place in which to live. thank you very much, mr. mayor. >> well. >> this attempt to stop the freedom rides only served to fuel the flames of the civil rights movement. >> i would like to see a show of hands of those of you who will be willing to continue the freedom ride in the near future. let's see a show of hands, please. >> freedom ride after freedom ride would come >> freedom ride after freedom ride would come through and get arrest in jackson and go to jail and get moved to the penitentiary. >> during the time they spent in prison, a bond formed and they came out of prison more dedicated than ever and began to fan out across the south. >> james h. meredith, grandson of a slave and applicant for admission to the university of mississippi. what do you want from the university of mississippi? >> i think every citizen should have the opportunity to receive an education in his state. you should have an opportunity to receive the best possible education. >> mississippi air force veteran james meredith insists on being admitted to the university of mississippi and ross barnett, the government of the state he's not going to let this happen. >> we here by deny you admission to the university of mississippi. >> and it becomes a crisis. >> ross arnett with drew local police and allowed the campus to become a war zone. >> please, teaching order. >> how can i remove him governor when there is a riot in the street and step out of the building and something happen to him? we got to get somebody up there now to get order and stop the firing and shooting and then we'll talk on the phone about meredith. at first we need order. >> finally, the army arrives from memphis and comes rolling on the campus and stops the riot at that point. >> i deeply regret the fact that any action by the executive branch was necessary in this case. but all other avenues and al alternatives have been dried and exhausted. >> james meredith went to school at old miss today but his travels to and from classes were not those of a regular student. >> go on now. >> for everywhere meredith went, so did his escorts. >> there is no country where the violence of sunday and monday is unreported. the example of the biggest story in the london everything standard was the violence on the mississippi campus. it was humiliating for a democracy and embarrassing. >> i think my father and uncle were forced on the policy issues of america's leadership in the globe and saw the civil rights movement in our country as kind of a distraction. >> i think this is a charge before the president. he must start now making moral decisions, rather than purely political decisions. ♪ ♪ ♪ and other car insurance companies? 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>> i may not be able to do it, but i'll do trying. >> bill conner has a well-known identity as one of the hardest hard liners in defensive segregation. he encouraged the hiring of clansmen on his police force. >> king is assuming that bill conner is going to provide the pictures and footage they need to outrage the country. >> commissioner conner used mass arrests, fire hoses, police dogs to break up the demonstrations. >> the demonstrations continued for weeks. you've got 12, 14, 20 adults max much marching and the movement was on the brink of extinction and said i got plenty of teenagers in my youth workshops willing to go to jail. >> i was on the phone constantly with jim, with diane and others about making it happen. >> there is an understandable reluctance on king's part when their parents are going to be furious for putting their children in the line of fire. >> finally, it's king who makes the decision to send the children into the streets. >> will you use the hoses and dogs? >> we will use the dogs if they draw knives again and throwing rocks. we'll use the hose if it becomes necessary to stop the mob. >> most of the pick pets and marchers were juveniles instead of adults. officers quickly moved in to make arrests under the direction of conner. police overflowed juvenile hall with the youthful demonstrators. all kinds of vehicles in service to house them. the sheriff's department estimated upwards of 400 had been arrested. >> instead of 14 adults, you had 600 teenagers and the next day a thousand and that's when the dogs and hoses came out. >> of course what he was doing what the head of the civil rights movement wanted him to do, create the theater that broadcast how bad things were. >> they were as young as six, eight, nine years old. >> why did you want to take part in the demonstrations? >> just all the color folks get together and take part in certain fights for freedom maybe they will get some, but if they don't, they won't get nowhere. >> birmingham was the soul of the nation was being forged. >> negro drive for equality gathered momentum this week. the supreme court sanctioned sit in demonstrations, another court removed the government of birmingham dominated by conner. >> all i can see is i enjoyed my 22.5 years as public safety commissioner. i don't believe i owe the taxpayers of birmingham anything. they will owe me two and a half years back pay. >> don't shop for anything on capitol street. these are stores that helped to support the white citizens counsel. >> he is operating in and around jackson, mississippi, the heart of resistance to desegregation. the nbc network affiliate was notorious for features segregation speeches and become such a problem that medger evers demanded equal time. >> they found themself on the threat from the fcc they agreed to allow medger evers to go on television and make a statement about the goals of the movement. >> you black son of a [ bleep ] on television, god dang more than 17 minutes they better get his black behind off or i'll get him off this is below the mason dixson line. you don't have to put the black jungle bunnies on tv. >> to many right mississippi people it was an outrage. that's the first time a black man had been allowed to appear on television in mississippi. certainly, to argue, against segregation. it made him in someways a marked man in mississippi. >> we'll be demonstrating here until freedom comes to negros here in jackson, mississippi. 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[ applause ] >> under a siring alabama sun that has the temperature above 100 degrees, the waiting continues. the direct confrontation with federal authorities and negros students is believed to be moments away. they are on route from birmingham to the campus. wallace about ready to make his appearance on campus. >> coming into it, the justice deputy doesn't know what wallace will do. wallace doesn't know whether he'll be put in jail. >> as governor and chief magistrate of the state of the alabama, i deem it to be my solum obligation and duty to stand before you and represent the rights and sovereignty, the constitution out state of alabama and seeking to preserve and maintain the peace and dignity of this state and the individual freedoms of the citizens thereof, do here by denounce and forbid this illegal and unwarranted action by the central government. >> governor wallace, i take it from that statement that you are going to stand in that door and that you are not going to carry out the orders, is that correct? >> i stand upon this statement. >> you stand upon that statement. governor, i'm not interested in a show. i don't know what the purpose of the show is. i am interested in the orders of these courts being enforced. that is my only responsibility here. the choice is yours. i would ask you once again to responsibly step aside. >> remain on the campus. >> the justice department says the negro students will be enrolled sometime today. >> after ole miss, the kennedys learned their lesson about negotiating with a southern governor. kennedy decides to just go ahead and federalize the guard. he is not going to play games anymore. the national guard general henry graham goes up to wallace. he says "it is my sad duty to tell you to step aside." >> we shall now return to montgomery for the purpose of continuing this fight, this constitutional fight, because we are winning. >> governor wallace moved away from the door and has left after being confronted with about 150 federalized national guardsmen. >> assistant state attorney general nicholas katzenbach all smiles as the two negro students are to enter the building. >> each time the issue came up, the president and the attorney general did everything they could to not have to get involved. and it was after the encounter with wallace that civil rights became top priority. >> this is not a sectional issue. difficulties over segregation and discrimination exist in every city, in every state of the union. but love alone cannot make men see right. we are confronted primarily with a moral issue. it is as old as the scriptures and as clear as the american constitution. >> and that was the first time the president made the question of ending racial segregation not because it's politically expedient to do so, because it is morally right to do so. >> next week i shall ask the congress of the united states to act to make a commitment it has not fully made in this century to the proposition that race has no place in american life or law. >> it's his most eloquent speech in some ways, most heartfelt speech. >> and this nation for all its hopes will not be fully free until all its citizens are free. >> there is a kind of bitter irony in that within hours afterwards, medgar evers comes home and his wife and children are up because they want to tell him about the president's wonderful speech. >> shortly after midnight, medgar evers steps in his car in this driveway. then evers was murdered. the fatal bullet was fired from a vacant lot across the street from his home, crashing through his body and the window of his home. he was 37. >> i was appalled at the cowardly ambush of him at his home in front of his wife and children. it said something about how far we still had to go in reaching any semblance of social and civic justice. hey. i'm ted and this is rudy. say "hi" rudy. 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[ cheering ] >> and i would never forget the speech of martin luther king jr. on that day, dr. king spoke out of his soul. and he used that day and the steps of the lincoln memorial to preach a certainly man, not just to america, but to the world. >> i am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation. [ applause ] >> as he is speaking, mahalia jackson shouts to him, "tell him about the dream, martin! tell them about the dream." and i see him take a written text, and he slides it to the left side of the lectern, looks out on the 350,000 people there, and then he speaks. >> i have a dream that one day this nation will rise up, live out the true meaning of its creed we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal. i have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. i have a dream today. let freedom ring for every hill of mississippi, from every mountainside, let freedom ring. when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to feed up that day when all god's children, black men and white men, jews and gentiles, protestants and catholics will be able to join hands and sing in the way of the old negro spiritual, free at last, free at last, thank god almighty, we are free at last. >> i don't think they quite anticipated just how successful it would be. it represents the civil rights movement and a kind of high watermark. >> the momentum of change seems to be accelerating, and the hearts of 21 million american negroes, i'm told millions of sympathetic whites, they're meeting tonight in the hope that negro equality was at last overtaking the reality of history. ♪ ♪ freedom, freedom >> in the immediate wake of the march on washington, the civil rights movement has a national glow to it that it never before had had. but that glow tragically lasts hardly two weeks. >> the bombing of this birmingham, alabama church claimed the lives of four little girls attending sunday school. >> that was the church out of which all the kids had marched. so it was clearly a punishment. >> we felt like we were involved because if there had been no movement, chances are that bombing would not have taken place. >> kids were murdered in birmingham on a sunday and in sunday school in a christian nation, and nobody cares. start with the best writing experience.? make it incredibly thin. add an adjustable kickstand, a keyboard, a usb port, and the freedom of touch. and, of course, make it run microsoft office, with the power and speed to do real work. introducing surface pro 3. the tablet that can replace your laptop. ♪ ♪ hi, credit report site andour i have a problem. i need to speak with your fraud resolution department. ugh, we don't have that. what should i tell him? just make that super annoying modem noise... 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[ applause ] >> senator hubert humphrey has called the civil rights bill the greatest piece of social legislation of our generation. >> tell somebody my stamp, make sure we get some more hands here. >> the civil rights act of 1964 is not going to create instant brotherhood. no one pretends that. but the attorney general gets new power to bring suits against racial discrimination in voting, in public accommodations, in education, in employment. if a court finds you guilty of violating some part of the civil rights law, and if you continue violating the law, you can be fined or put in jail until you stop violating the law. >> three civil rights workers have disappeared in mississippi. they have not been heard from. so far only one clue, the burned out station wagon in which the three were last seen riding there is little hope that they are still alive. >> schwerner, chaney and goodman were found shot to death at the base of a recently built dam just six miles from the city of philadelphia. their bodies wrapped in plastic bags numbered one, two, and three were taken to the state medical center in jackson for identification and examination. the two white boys were shot once each through the heart. james chaney, the black youth had been beaten with chains until every bone in his body was broken, then he was shot three times. >> the finding of the bodies of the three mississippi civil rights workers is a saddening and shocking reminder of the brutality of race hatred. we naturally expect that those responsible for these terrible murders will be brought to justice. ♪ we shall overcome >> we know they're going to say not guilty. no one saw them pull the trigger. i'm tired of that. don't bow down anymore. hold your heads up. we want our freedom now. i don't want to have to go to another memorial. i'm tired of -- >> the arrests had started before dawn. in all, fbi men picked up 21 men. included in the group were the chief law officers sheriff lawrence rainy and cecil price, they were murdered by ku klux klansmen with conspiratorial help of the local sheriff. >> bond was set. but less than a week later the accused were set free, their bond lifted. for james chaney's mother it was a shock, a disappointment. the reason for her son's murder seemed farther away than ever. 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and dignity of which negroes and white persons of good will have carried out the whole struggle for civil rights. >> by the end of 1964, dr. king is aware that the one major southern civil rights challenge that had not been dealt with in the 1964 civil rights act was voter registration. >> a hodgepodge of election laws from state to state prevents many from voting. political machines disenfranchise others by downright fraud. the negro citizen may go to register only to be told that the day is wrong or the hour is late, or the official in charge is absent. >> there are five counties in mississippi, each at least 57% negro in which no negroes at all are registered. >> today marks the beginning of a determined, organized, mobilized campaign to get the right to vote all over this state. >> king chooses the city of selma because it has the worst record of any southern city on black voting. >> we will seek to arouse the conscience of the federal government by marching by the thousands on places of registration all over the city. >> now move. move. move. >> student protesters had already had a presence in selma going back to 1963, but had found it exceptionally tough going because the dallas county sheriff, jim clark, was an even tougher version of birmingham's bull connor. >> is not in session this afternoon as you were informed. you came down to make a mockery out of this courthouse. this courthouse is a serious place of business. you seem to take it to be just a disneyland or something on parade. >> we have had numerous negroes that couldn't read and write come down and say they were told to come, and if they didn't come, they would lose their pensions from the welfare department or the social security. or have their land confiscated if they didn't show up to register to vote. and when they came down, they had no idea then what they were supposed to do. >> you are breaking the injunction by not allowing these people to come inside this courthouse and wait. this courthouse does not belong to sheriff clark. this courthouse belongs to the people of dallas county, and these are the people of dallas county. and they have come to register. and you know this within your own heart, sheriff clark. >> clark, he knew what he wanted to do to me, but he couldn't do it in the open because of all those cameras, right. >> we have come to be here because they are registering at this time. and i can't enforce the law. >> we have come to register. and this is our reason for being here. >> you're blinding me with that light. move back. >> if you want to arrest us, arrest us. >> why don't you get out in front of the camera and go on. >> facing your sheriff and facing your judge. we're willing to be beaten for democracy. and you misuse democracy. you good people that they will not have the privilege to vote. >> i'm here to tell you tonight that the mayor of this city, the police commissioner of this city, and everybody in the white power structure of this city 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[ applause ] >> so hear lyndon johnson, the president of the united states use the theme song of the movement, "we shall overcome," i looked at dr. king. tears came down his face. he started crying. we all cried a little. >> dr. king decided that the only proper response to this was to continue the march to montgomery and a court order forced the state of alabama to permit said march. >> has just ruled that we have a legal and constitutional right to march from selma to montgomery. 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[ male announcer ] geico. anywhere, anytime. just an aptay away on the geico appay. the summer of '65, johnson gets that voting rights bill passed. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> sure, the '64 civil rights act led to dramatic changes. but politically, at least in the short-run, the voting rights act was even more dramatic. >> this is an examination room at the central post office in downtown birmingham where under the federal voting rights act of 1965, federal officials are examining people to determine their qualifications to register and vote under the laws of alabama. >> once the voting rights act was passed and people got the right to vote, they stopped sitting in and started voting. and that turned out to be much more effective. >> the number of blacks who began voting across the south, the number of black office holders at the local level, the state level, at the congressional level, one of the greatest changes in american society. >> this is what james meredith intends to do for the next two weeks, march along the highways of mississippi, a state where he is one of the most hated men alive. his purpose, meredith hopes to encourage unregistered negroes along the way to qualify as voters. he also by his very presence hopes to dispel some of the fear negroes have in the south. >> in 1965 with the passage of the voting rights act, you'd have thought anything was possible. but then very quickly after that, things start to fall apart. >> as james meredith was walking along the highway, a gunman stepped out of the woods and just blasted him with a shotgun. >> meredith was taken to a memphis hospital under police guard. his blood still remains on the highway. >> once he was shot, then there had to be some response by the movement. they had to show that the segregationists can't win that way. they got together and decided to continue the march. stokely carmichael and martin luther king. stokely carmichael was very much unlike the national group in terms of his perspective. >> we feel that we must continue this march right now, that it is urgent to do it. and we will be calling on people of good will from all over the nation to join us in this march. >> martin luther king was almost at the level of sainthood. stokely carmichael understood that he needed that symbol in order to provide legitimacy for what he was trying to do. >> we want to put president johnson on the spot. he called a conference two days ago to fulfill these rights. we want those rights fulfilled. they cannot be fulfilled with words. words cannot stop bullets. and we need action and we need it now from the federal government. >> no more questions, gentlemen. >> all right. >> we have the march. >> the most impressive thing about this march on mississippi is a developing coalition among civil rights leaders. there are reports of differences between leaders, and they are true. but their organizations have always been divided. a split among them is nothing new. put them all together on march on a highway in mississippi, and frictions emerge because of personal competition and individual ego. >> our sweat and blood built mississippi, and we got to take it over because we deserve to have it. that's what we are working for. >> stokely carmichael started expressing the goal now is black people exercising power. >> let me say first that this march is nonviolent. it is a nonviolent expression of our determination to be free. this is a principle of the march, and certainly we intend to keep this march nonviolent. >> mr. carmichael, are you as committed to the nonviolent approach as dr. king is? >> no, i'm not. >> why aren't you? >> i just don't see this as a way of life. i never have. and i also realize that no one in this country is asking the white community in the south to be nonviolent. and that in a sense is giving them a free license to go ahead and shoot us at will. >> if there was a symbol of white anger at negro protest in the north this summer, it was cicero, illinois, a town chosen by dr. martin luther king as the pressure point in his open housing drive. >> dr. king takes the civil rights movement north to chicago. and the issue is housing. >> the northern scene was a far more complicated scene and did not have the advantage of the jim crow law. >> it was one thing for northern liberals when the issue was integration in selma. it's quite a different thing when it was in cicero. >> if let's say 10 or 20 families moved into cicero, which is a town of 70,000? >> they'd get killed. >> it was the beginning of serious white backlash against the entire civil rights movement. >> the nation suddenly learned what it should have known, that racial prejudice was not just a southern problem, it was nationwide. whites in the north could comfort themselves by pointing a finger at the south, they could do so no longer. >> once again showing open hostility. these people here are firmly opposed to these marches. moreover, they don't see where they serve any useful purpose. >> most of the national press categorizes chicago as a defeat for king. >> i can say that i have never seen even in mississippi and alabama mobs as hostile and as hate-filled as have i seen in chicago. >> there was a growing feeling that king's movement wasn't working. he had lost a lot of support from whites and blacks, martin luther king is a good man. he is my brother. he is still like me. we're all catching hell. he's got his approaches of freedom. he is doing his best. and he is changing now too. he sees now that it seems to be impossible to do what he want to do. >> king was rapidly being eclipsed by a younger and much more militant faction of the black power movement. >> we are not going to let these white people come into our neighborhoods and kill us. we're going to put every cracker in atlanta on his knees. >> there was a lot of disunity because the only thing that had really kept the black community together ironically was segregation. once that has been overcome, then the question is what do you want? >> i would like for all of us to believe in nonviolence, but i'm here to say tonight that if every negro in the united states turns against nonviolence, i'm going to stand up as a lone voice and say this is the wrong way. 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veterans groups are demanding answers. >> we need the white house, the president, he needs to make a statement to show employees of va that this needs to change now. one is tragic but when you hide it, that is unforgivable. martha: va undersecretary robert petzel resigned his post on friday. this was perhaps a move to make it look like there was a shake-up going on but he was already slated to retire at the end of this year. critics is saying that is not enough in terms of action on this story. joined by congressman adam kinzinger who says this mess has gone from incompetence he believes to something criminal. a republican from illinois and served as a pilot in the air force. good to have you here this morning. >> great to be here, thanks. martha: what do you make of this news that the administration in their briefing as the president was coming into office was told that there was very serious issues with these wait times and they were misleading? >> it's shocking to me. if you're the president of the united states you have a list of priorities. the first and foremost is to protect and defend your country. i think among the top is to protect and defend those who are willing to protect and defend our country in the first place. if you learn early on there's a problem with the va, there is issue with backlogs and everything else, the answer is not to allow bureaucrats create fake waiting lists so it looks better. the answer is to come in and fix the problem. as much as i love general shinseki as a person we need somebody in the position who understands not just how the military thinks and we got a backlog taken care of and take care of customers. a ceo of a company would never survive under these circumstances. >> let's listen to sound over the weekend this is white house chief of staff denis mcdonough over the weekend and what he said about this. >> the president is mad as hell, i have the scars to prove it. the conversations he and rick and i had on these matters. but at the same time we're looking at accountability we want to continue to perform to provide veterans services they earned. martha: we all remember that general shin sick can i was mad as hell. apparently the president is madder than that according to his chief of staff. what do you make of that? >> look, there is like this thing in politics if you say the word hell on television you somehow make an impact and people think you're dead serious about it. i get it that general shinseki may be mad as hell and president is madder than him. the president has taken every step to avoid taking any leadership position. i don't want to see the president say the h word on it. v i want a major shake up in the cabinet after we found out about the terrible situation at walter reed, a whole bunch of people got fired and situation was fixed. when i got elected in 2010 we were talking about the va. today we're in 2014 and we're still talking about it and people hiding lists and folk dying. this has gone to the level of being criminal. >> with every administration, this one as well, no different, they talk how much they're committed to taking care of our veterans. michelle obama has been very involved with veterans families. you think when this comes across your desk you want to make immediate action on it. it is doable. it is absolutely doable. you have gone to far to say there is criminal activity. what do you mean by that? >> incompetence means there is long wait list and don't know how our hands around it. this is great example of single-payer if we go the larger way on the health system. criminality is the i'm more interested in protecting my bonus and my job than those that protect our great veteran. as a veteran grandson of a guy that fought in world war ii, that angers me. if you go i'm more concerned about my job than the health care of these veterans. that is not incompetence. that is criminal neglect. i think it is serious we get to the bottom of it. find out who made the calls. they don't get suspended or fired. they get thrown in jail and prosecuted. >> quick question. eric shinseki, does he go. >> i resisted calling for it for a year but now's the time. martha: congressman kinzinger, thank you very much. we'll see what happens. >> you bet. >> martha there is good news out west. all evacuation orders are lifted in southern california after more than a dozen wildfires devastated san diego county. tens of thousands of people who were forced from their homes being allowed to return. but you know, sadly, instead of their houses when they get there, many are finding nothing but charred rubble. the people of carlsbad, vowing they will go on and rebuild. >> i think it will become a symbol of this community. the life is still going on. at the end of the day just like the church which is gone. the church is not the building. it is people. and people are still here. >> we're getting a look at raging flames that consumed much of carlsbad. take a look at this. >> oh, my god! oh, my gosh! oh, [bleep] oh, my god! oh, my god! >> can you imagine if that is your neighborhood where you live? look how close those flames got to those homes in card bad? coming up in a few moments we'll talk to the woman who shot the astounding cell phone video, coming up in "america's newsroom." we'll get more reaction as she heads home at least to what is left of it. martha: fire season still underway with the state suffering a severe drought. jerry brown said this could be among the worst on record. firefighters responded to twice as many wildfires as usual. these notorious southern winds don't come on until later in the summer. >> risk remains absolutely and actuality, when we get to the august time frame when we have the clean burn, where it burns through and there is nothing left. since there is a little precipitation we get what is called the dirty burn. it can be a challenge for firefighting. martha: firefighters have their work cut out for them this year. the governor brown says the state may need more firefighters to battle what is head their way. bill: >> fox news alert now. we're awaiting a news conference from attorney general eric holder at the top of the hour. the justice department reportedly set to announce, ready for this, espionage charges against government officials in china. they allegedly hacked computers for trade secrets. the suspects are believed to be part of the chinese military. this would be the first time our government formally accused another nation of cybercrimes. impact on foreign relations will be huge, especially relations between washington and beijing. we expect to bring that to you at the very top of the hour. meanwhile there has been a mammoth deal. have you heard about it announced on wall street? it could change the way we watch television. at&t is buying directv. the price? nearly $49 billion. a merger of epic proportions between two telecommunications megagiants. stuart varney, host of "varney & company" on fox business network here to explain what this means. what does it mean for the way we watch tv n the future. >> it may bring us closer to watching anything, anywhere at anytime especially live sports events. directv has a very nice operation bringing you live in. fl games. if at&t takes directv maybe you watch those live in. fl games on mobile and tablet or even in your car. that's the way of the future. this may come from this particular merger. number two, these two companies bring together phone, pay tv, live sports that gives more opportunities for bundling. get all of this for this price. you may see more bundlingthis deal goes through. number three, eric, the industry, mammoth industry what provides entertainment in your living room and entertainment on your mobile it is consolidating into three giants, comcast, time warner and at&t, directv and the verizon empire. so the future of television, what you get and where you see it, is probably going to be shifted because of this deal. >> wow, we used to watch that big magnavox furniture, walnut furniture, cabinet tv. now years ago we walk around with the iphone walking around at the same time. you know what? when they have these big mergers stu. you know what that means for us? rates go up. >> yes. >> do you think that will happen we pay more even if we get what we're talking about? >> concentration into the industry and consolidation basically into the three giants they have a lot of pricing power. you want what they're offering. most people will pay for it. >> i will watch stu varney, wherever i want, whenever i want. does that help it? >> will for me, eric. >> thank you very much. martha: potentially deadly mers virus is spreading in the united states. the new patient and the new fears coming up. >> plus there is outrage at the 9/11 memorial museum. have you seen this? a gift shop, that's right, a gift shop that has some families really fired up. martha: former secretary of state hillary clinton may wonder what difference as it makes as she famously said at the hearing but the calls keep mounting for someone to be held accountable for what happened in benghazi. former vice president dick cheney is speaking out. >> what do you think about benghazi? do you think that she did anything wrong and should she be held responsible for the events surrounding that attack? book any flight or hotel and if you find it for less we'll match it and give you fifty dollars back that's the expedia guarantee shipship. eric: the man who played a pivotal role in the bailouts during the financial crisis, he now says he dreaded taking that job. former treasury secretary timothy geithner says even as president obama to consider renaming him for the first place. >> i knew it would be terrible and i tried to talk the president asking me to do it. i didn't want to move my family and i knew it would be hard. also i had been already deeply designed in the rescue. it was deeply unpopular rescue and i thought it would be tarred by that and hard to separate himself from that. eric: mr. geithner says he truck gelled with his own difficulty with public speaking. he says overall his experience as treasury secretary was a positive one. he is making his round promoting his new book. martha: today is the day house republicans back at work this morning ready to get to work on the select committee that has now been approved that will investigate what happened in benghazi. this as senators call for a committee of their own to get answers what happened before, during and after those attacks that led to the death of these four brave americans. however, former vice president dick cheney says he believes one person should take responsibility for the white house response and he says that's hillary clinton. >> she was secretary of state at the time that it happened. she was one the first in washington to know about it. i think she clearly bears responsibility for whatever the state department did or didn't do with respect to that crisis. i do think it is a major issue. i don't think we've heard the last of it yet. i would expect that she will be held accountable during the course of the campaign. martha: steve hayes, senior writer for "the weekly standard" and fox news contributor. good morning to you, steve. >> good morning, martha. martha: becoming a increasingly looming question for hillary clinton. how much is this benghazi going to hang over her if she decides to run for president? you heard vice president cheney talking to chris wallace and he believes it will continue to be a big deal. >> i think he is right. he says she bears responsibility. she has said repeatedly in the past and including during her testimony on capitol hill back in january 2013 she think she bears responsibility for what happened. what we've seen the clintons do since then though i think try to exculpate her a little bit. bill clinton last week saying, well, she did all of the right things. i don't think she did anything wrong. we're starting to see clinton surrogates really making the case she didn't have much to do with what happened in benghazi. you're seeing a change in the story from hillary clinton and her surrogates that think is very interesting and will be interesting to track. martha: what are we going to see now in this select committee? what happens next? >> i think one of the things we'll see is a focus on hillary clinton and on her role as formulate tore of policy with u.s. policy in benghazi and in libya. you know, the administration, we saw in this ben rhodes email was very clear they did not want people to believe, the country to believe what happened in benghazi was a result of a failure of policy think we'll see a deep everyings examination of that policy and in her role formulating it. the fact that the united states wanted to have a lightfoot print that she wanted to have ambassador chris stevens in benghazi. i think those are pretty serious questions. martha: in terms of the makeup of this panel and whether or not democrats are participating and all of that, how much weight do you think it will hold? it will be led by trey gowdy obviously and how quickly do you expect all of this to move? >> i don't think it will move very quickly. you will start to see them putting pieces together. they name ad staff director last week. you will start to see them fill out the staff and really get moving as the summer progresses. if it will be very interesting to see what the committee actually comes up with in terms of new information. this is one of the reasons that john boehner ultimately decided to appoint a select committee or have a vote about a select committee because of extent which republicans were getting stonewalled by the white house, by the state department, by everyone else in the administration. that is indisputable that was taking place. this committee seems to have additional authority to really go after the administration and get those documents and hopefully get them in a timely fashion. martha: i'm constantly reminded when we think about hillary clinton in this context of that 3:00 a.m. phone call ad when she ran for president. you can imagine that anyone she runs again, if she does decide to run will resurrect that, don't you think? >> absolutely. there are other questions that have arisen since her testimony in january of 2013. remember, she testified that she, that the administration didn't do anything to mislead the american people on what had happened in benghazi. she said in january of 2013, said basically the intelligence community was responsible for all of the talking points. we've since seen in documents from the administration itself starting in may of 2013 and most recently just over the past couple weeks, the administration itself was talking about how to manipulate the talking points that was input from the state department. the cia said it made the revisions that it did to the talking points because of concerns from the state department. there was discussion of the building leadership having concerns. that, if that is not hillary clinton it is her top advisors. she has a lot of questions to answer. despite the fact that you have so many in the mainstream media saying there aren't really questions to answer at this point. there are questions, and new questions and emerging questions. martha: it will be fascinating to watch all this take shape and see how it goes. steve, thank you very much. see you next time. >> thanks, martha. eric: martha there has been a potentially dangerous development in the virus from the middle east, the spread of mers right here on u.s. soil. martha: new words and praises making their way into the old webster's dictionary. what exactly is a grouper? 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online gun stores say they have been targeted by the obama administration after federal regulators classified them along with porn stores and head shops, slapping them with a high-risk label. that means banks will not necessarily work with them to get loans. of course that makes it a lot harder for those online stores to buy and sell their products. critics are charging the move is unfair way they think to put gun dealers out of business. is it? katie pavlich, news editor townhall.com joins us. they say the government is trying to stop fraud and protect the american public. do you buy that? >> i don't bly buy it at all. since 2011 the justice department in partnership with the fdic and federal trade commission put pressure on certain groups of industries to, you know, kind of regulate what gangs do business with them. one of those industries they put on that list is the gun industry. they classified firearms and ammunition as high-risk sales. the problem here is that the second amendment is a constitutional right. you have the justice department, not through congress, but through regulation discriminating against people trying to exercise that right and i have to believe if there was a business that was discriminating against say people's right to vote the justice department would be singing a different tune when it came to how banks were treating their customers. eric: do you think let's say that the justice department would say based on their statistics says it is high-risk? >> that is the problem. the justice department has not provided valid statistics why they classify firearms online sales and on line sales of ammunition high-risk. when you look at number of firearms in this country and amount of ammunition purchased online, the risk is actually very low. so they're doing this as way to meet their political means. as you know president obama's gun control agenda got shot down last year by democrats in the senate, not by republicans and this is nothing new. we've seen senators like dianne feinstein for a long time comparing firearms or what she calls assault weapons to child pornography. and it's a way for them to try to stigmatize the gun ownership and ownership of certain types of firearms. in partnership with the fdic, the justice department is squeezing banks to try to discriminate against these gun dealerships. it is not just online by the way. dealerships that have storefronts set up all over the country. eric: do you see a pattern here? president obama says he is issuing executive orders to go around congress, basically. do you see administration working in that manner to move around some laws and get their way. this is one way they have been able to back door this potential? >> absolutely. they're being very dishonest about it. as you mentioned at top of the segment, they're arguing this is about preventing fraud. but the fact is, this is about getting to a political end. they're doing it without the consent of congress. they have a whole list of pet projects they want. just so happens they put second amendment issues on the map here. and it's a dishonest way to go about it and very concerning way to go about it, considering this is constitutional right and they're discriminating people who are simply allowing people to exercise those rights. eric: one case, bank of america had a gun store client for 12 years, they suddenly dropped him. he couldn't pet more money and nearly put him out of business. what can the industry do? is there any recourse? >> there are a couple other banks they can go towards. bank of america was boycotted by a lost gun dealerships. the problem with the federal government coming down with all of their power against these to put people in high-risk pools it is very difficult for them to fight back. it is a way for the administration to squeeze this industry. it is not going away. we'll see this end up in the court system under a discrimination case. eric: we'll see if indeed there are those court cases. you know they will be coming. >> yes. eric: katie pavlich, good to see you. >> thanks so much. martha: so 150 words and phrases hitting the big-time, making it into merriam-webster's dictionary. this is few that got our attention. thank you for tweeting me, everybody, tell me what a yooper is. a long time resident of upper peninsula of michigan. a place people love, they're called yoopers affection atly. social media is in the book. we know what that is. spoiler alert making cut. hashtag. no surprise there. selfie, i really hate that whole craze. that made it into the book as tweep. i never herd heard. that means person who uses twitter. if it doesn't take off, do we between? eric: what is the derivation of the adverb? martha: tweepy perhaps? eric: as long as you're not a twerp. a lot of controversy and focus on hillary clinton and her health. they have been talking about that for a few days it is making headlines again. do you think that discussion they shad in 2012 make a effect on what happens in 2016? we'll discuss. martha: chris christie says the obama administration failure to lead is creating a vacuum all over the globe. very tough word from the governor over the weekend we'll we'll have a fair and balanced debate over the weekend. >> we'll either lied or disappoint. those are the only two choices. unfortunately today in my opinion america's disappointing but it is not too late. it is time for us to stand up once again and lead our nation in a way that leads us to greater success and prosperity. captain: this is a tip. bellman: thanks, captain obvious. captain: and here's a tip. when you save money on hotel rooms, it's just like saving money on anything else that costs money. like shoes, textiles, foreign investments, spatulas, bounty hunters, javelins... ñ crestor lowered bad cholesterol in it's a fact. high-risk patients more than lipitor. bad cholesterol... you're going down! yeah! lowering cholesterol is a big deal, especially if you have high cholesterol plus any of these risk factors, because you could be at increased risk for plaque buildup in your arteries over time. so, when diet and exercise aren't enough to lower cholesterol, adding crestor can help. i'm down with crestor! crestor is not right for everyone, like people with liver disease or women who are nursing, pregnant, or may become pregnant. tell your doctor about other medicines you're taking. call your doctor right away if you have muscle pain or weakness, feel unusually tired; have loss of appetite, upper belly pain, dark urine or yellowing of skin or eyes. these could be signs of rare but serious side effects. are you down with crestor!? 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nuclear weapons and exterminating the state of israel. if you're an israeli you're kind of nervous. if you're in the american jewish community, donors vote, you're thinking i'm pretty concerned. it is important for republicans to stake out a strong foreign policy and pay attention to the middle east and israel. martha: it is interesting, this obviously become as very big issue it looks like in the next presidential election. you picture potentially hillary clinton and potentially chris christie, jeb bush or marco rubio, whoever it is held to be, she will be held accountable for the record of president obama while she was secretary of state night ace jump ball issue. assume the republican candidate will be a governor or somebody who had more state level experience, domestic issues, obamacare, but not a lost foreign policy experience. hillary clinton said i had it all, i had foreign policy experience but as you say not a great record. i think it an important issue and particularly if there is major october october surprises. they perceive american weakness and precipitate a crisis. it happened to jimmy carter. it happened to other presidents as well. i think it will happen to president obama. martha: we'll see. as you say, it can cut both ways. we'll have the experience if she runs but also have the experience. we'll see how that works out. we'll see. kt, thank you very much. >> thank you, martha. martha: eric. eric: martha, have you heard about this? the bid for the triple crown. now it is in jeopardy. california chrome could be stopped in his tracks by a nose. we'll explain. martha: and selling t-shirts, key chains, coffee mugs on sacred ground. should the 9/11 museum have a gift shop? >> what they have made the memorial is a revenue-generating tourist attraction. that is not what it you are so outta here! is the performance review. is that corporate trial by fire when every slacker gets his due. and yet, there's someone around the office who hasn't had a performance review in a while. someone whose poor performance is slowing down the entire organization. i'm looking at you phone company dsl. check your speed. see how fast your internet can be. switch now and add voice and tv for $34.90. comcast business built for business. jenna: we are back. we have been watching this, former fictive editor giving a commencement address in north carolina as she spoke for the first time since she was fired last wednesday. she made a joke about the fact she was surprised this particular graduations i or my garnered such media attention. but she said her time at "the new york times" and her position as executive editor was the greatest honor of her life and she was asked about her tattoos, one of which is a t from "the new york times." she said she has no desire to remove that and if she is very proud of her tenure at "the new york times." we will talk a little bit more about that. tucker carlson will join us and talk more about what they have to say this morning. >> the national september 11 busy them said to open the doors on wednesday. now there is an uproar over the museum's gift shop. look us all the stuff stuff they are selling. they are blasting the decision to sell t-shirts, hoodies, magnets, mugs, hence, charms, toys and other tourist souvenirs. nearly 3000 people were killed on this tragic day. some of the families are really upset. >> indeed, eric. a store at this location is simply inappropriate. it is more than a museum. 3000 people died. where the unidentified remains are now stored. among the items for sale, a $39 hoodie sweatshirt with the quote "in darkness we shine brightest." there also baseball hats and more content in the logo. more costly items including $95 picking the original world trade center and liberty. >> we understand they have to make money to make the museum run, but i think this is going a little bit overboard. it is an insult to people and i think it is a national disgrace. >> there has also been criticism directly at the cost of visiting the memorial. tickets for the general public $24. eric: what is the museum saying in its defense? >> it said in part "to car carey memorial and museum, our organization relies on private on racing, donations and reven revenue, ticketing and carefully selected keepsake items for retail. at least some visitors were not troubled by the gift shop offerings. about 41,000 people including relatives of victims have visited the site during the dedication and about 10% of those bought a momento at the gift shop. items including a book of remembrance, official history of 9/11, some supporters also point out there are similar commercial outlets at the holocaust museum and others. visitors will ultimately vote with their wallet if they think some of these items are good idea. eric: a remarkable place. i urge all americans to visit. thank you. >> the bid for the horse racing triple crown is in doubt this morning. almost as soon as it became even possible. california chrome is only one win away after taking the preakness on saturday a after te kentucky derby. but the horse may not be able to run at the belmont stakes next week. horseracing officials in new york do not let horses where nasal strips. california chrome has more the strips for the last six victories and they are designed to make it easier to breathe through the nose, and apparently he may not be able to wear it. will they change the rules? eric: i don't think they will, but does he snore? >> he started wearing them. i think he will get to wear it, we will see. eric: coming up, you know about karl rove's controversial comments, he is not backing down concerning a concussion he suffered two years ago. he is now demanding she do turnover the public if hillary wants to run for president. >> veteran groups calling for va secretary eric shinseki to resign. new allegations there is another hospital coming forward as well today. it could be another black eye for the white house. >> our best bet at this point is to keep the secretary on board, the president has to keep him on a pretty short leash and be sure he is doing his job. ok any fligt or hotel ok any fligt and if you find it for less we'll match it and give you fifty dollars back that's the expedia guarantee ameriprise asked people a simple question: can you keep your lifestyle in retirement? i don't want to think about the alternative. i don't even know how to answer that. i mean, no one knows how long their money is going to last. i try not to worry, but you worry. what happens when your paychecks stop? 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>> she will have to account for the concussion which her husband described as a terrible concussion and said she underwent six months of serious work to recover from it. so obvious and that raises questions was she impaired some might require physical therapy or what it all was. it will probably turn out she is perfectly healthy and the world will move on. what i think this story shows is the fact we're still talking about it all these days after carl rove said what he said, the power of a slow news week. just was not a lot else happen. and this as well. martha: i think you're right about that. i also think you're right about the fact perhaps the headline in the story was missed whenever we talk about what bill clinton said and his reaction to it, when he said after that which you just referenced may have been the goal to save the headline. let's play that. >> it was a terrible concussion that required six months of very serious work to get over. martha: you see this as an admission. >> if i was doing the story and i heard him say that, bill clinton says wife underwent six months of serious work to overcome terrible concussion. which was more or less.hills what karl rove said. she obviously was being treated were undergoing treatment for some time. so there you are. martha: what carl has suggested was is a big issue for her. it will be an issue as she decides whether or not she wants to run, but there has been no indication as we have watched her at various speaking engagements that this has had any lasting impact on hillary clinton. >> we don't see it, there are no signs, she doesn't seem to have any difficulty making public appearances and speaking fluidly and all the rest of it. the presumption would be she is healthy but when you undergo a terrible concussion and you have a blood clot near your brain, you have to account for that. that is the bottom line. whether she does it now or later, who knows, i would think if you are the same age she is, if she does, your health is going to be something that we will be interested in knowing about. martha: do you think she runs? >> i thought about that a lot. i think it is likely but not certain. the reason being is we know how uncomfortable she is dealing with the media. she doesn't like the media, she think the media are sensationalist and unfair, complains we have heard from a lot of people, which might have some merit. it is a grueling process, she isn't as young as she once was, she has been around this track a few times before so she hasn't gone ahead and safe she is running is because i think she hasn't really decided. martha: it will be really interesting. thank you very much, see you next time. >> thanks. eric: critics might have new ammunition trying to fire veterans affair secretary eric shinseki. the obama of administration was alerted more than five years ago about the va reporting inaccurate times for veterans seeking medical care. the obama-biden transition team was born in 2008. this is not only a data integrity issue free health administration reports, it affects quality of care by delaying potentially denying veterans timely care. so if they knew, why wasn't it fixed? you know, pete cummins just so offensive and horrendous and unacceptable, reports are spreading 167 deaths, not just the original that was claimed. how bad you think this is? >> this is infected. these weights times should be enough to be a national scandal on the level of the irs scandal or the benghazi scandal. these have been exacerbated by this administration while they spend billions and billions more saying the they're helping vetes but do nothing to change a culture. this is a culture problem to be very clear. doctors may times the newest facility in albuquerque, new mexico, revealed some doctors only saw two patients per day. it shows nothing was fixed, only papered over with more money. >> the general is very well respected. athis has happened on his watch if the administration says we will wait the inspector general's report. >> this is the one that i do very well as) around their people. this scandalous lot like the is scandal. they say we are mad as hell. couldn't be more furious about this and what they do on friday afternoon at 4:00? they force in early retirement of the hospital syste systems tt treat hair next month and a way to accountability as cynical as they come. trying to force some way to resign a little bit early. they are not worried about accountability. they are saying to make this problem go away. these are our veterans did waiting months for basic appointments. this administration is playing politics. >> he was in phoenix at the veterans of foreign war speaking promispromisingly will slash tht weights times, and cut red tape. from the president of the united states, here it is. >> cuff those backlogs, slash the weights times, deliver benefits sooner. i know you have heard this for years for the leadership and resources we are providing this time means we're going to be able to do it. that is our mission and we are going to make it happen. >> did they then cheat and lie and do whatever they could? >> that is remission, and you failed. it skyrocketed. rather than care be improved, veterans waited on secret lists your administrators papered over to make it look like the veterans were waiting a short amount of time while the veterans ar i talked across his nation, their waiting three or four or five months for basic screening. this president keeps looking us in the eye saying he is writing a bigger check. sometimes more money doesn't equal better outcome. oftentimes in government. martha: fox news alert, waiting for eric holder, he is going to announce charges filed against several chinese government officials accused of hacking into the computer networks of american businesses and stealing the trade secrets. live on this from washington. so what are we learning about this, catherine? >> we are expected a series of indictments this morning. the allegations in a vigil's engaged in or supported cyber espionage on behalf of the foreign government as you rightly point out in this case it is china. the thing to watch this morning morning's of the individuals charged within the jurisdiction of united states or overseas. including espionage, the theft of trade secrets. this officials appears a queue is china's army and-based hackers of logitech than u.s. companies to obtain industrial and trade secrets, this is part of an overall trend i the administration to really grow the kind of resources they have to tackle this problem of cyber espionage which is the tip of the sphere becomes the threat to the u.s. interest. martha: how do you prosecute this kind of case? >> it comes down to location. are they in countries where there is an extradition treaty with united states where are the countries which would be friendly to transfer into the united states for trial? it is a cases individuals are are safely out of the reach of u.s. law enforcement, really have a lot of bells and whistles, and announcement with no real teeth. martha: we will see, thank you very much. >> you are welcome. eric: this video emerging from the devastating california wildfires. >> oh, my god! 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and why? >> i was driving to pick up for work and i saw the smoke forming in just a matter of minutes. it was obviously out of control, i had to do a u-turn because they were blocking off some of the roads. you could see the flames were getting crazy and i drove through it before they would block everybody out. martha: it is shocking it got that close before they blocked off those roads, isn't it? >> yeah, it was pretty crazy because the smoke started to go into the street, and when i looked behind me, the smoke was just going through the whole street and covering houses and it was huge. there was a school rates near all of this that was evacuated as you are shooting this, right? >> my boyfriend was subbing at the elementary school. i knew it was really close by. there are starting to evacuate the kids. everybody is safe. pretty sure the school is okay too. i thought the houses were on fire because the smoke was over them, but i drove past it at night, my sister said the houses are actually okay, but there are some that got buit south. martha: obviously it is usually little bit later than it is now, but what did it make you feel about your own safety and how you live in that area with what is going on around you so frequently? >> it is hard. i didn't even plan anything when it started to happen, it was so last-minute, you don't even think to prepare for something like this, and in the past it is just hard, you have to pray and make sure nothing happens to your house or your neighborhood. >> we are glad you are okay. thank you very much for joining us and sharing or video with us. we know your house was okay which is good news. carlsbad, california. thank you. take care. eric: could you imagine. coming up on the fox news channel, new trouble for obamacare. what a million people may be getting the wrong subsidy and they said this time there is no way to fix that problem. martha: one of the men who is part of that group, now fighting to keep his job as a teacher. >> the young man ike made acts for which i shamed. utterly destructive to innocent members of this community. and tea parties. i'll have more awkward conversations than i'm equipped for, because i'm raising two girls on my own. i'll worry about the economy more than a few times before they're grown. but it's for them, so i've found a way. who matters most to you says the most about you. at massmutual we're owned by our policyowners, and they matter most to us. ready to plan for your future? 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[ bottle ] ensure®. nutrition inharge™. martha: beautiful voice. sadness today. passed away at his home over the weekend. he rose to fame is a popular crooner going on to record 50 albums. he was a buddy of frank sinatra and his condition became a classic. his biggest hit was "you don't know me." he had been in declining health recently. survived by his wife of 55 years, a son and a daughter, he was 83 years old. eric: a professor who has a temper the past fighting to keep his job at the university of illinois. a member of liberation army. the group responsible for kidnapping patty hearst back in the 1970s. committing bankruptcies and murder. the board of trustees have branded him a domestic terrorist. they say he should not be working there. live from chicago with more. do they tell the university why the contract is not being renewed? >> the university of illinois is not obligated to explain what his contract isn't being renewed but notification came after his past was published. he was part of the sla, best known for kidnapping and radicalizing patty hearst. whhe was convicted of second-degree murder because was part of a 1975 robbery in which a customer shot and killed by another member. was also convicted of possession of explosives the plot to bomb police cars and a plot for what he did on the run. now he is trying to keep his job. >> who better to tell someone to avoid disruptive pass than somebody who walk that path. in the most esteemed universities in the land by the university of illinois. >> keep in mind he was not remorseful right away. was on the run for 27 years ultimately arrested in south africa under an identity he assumed from a dead 10-month-old. eric:'s and the son of robert kennedy somehow involved in the case? >> christopher kennedy's on the board, he says should a terrorists bent on overthrowing the government with the murder of police involved in a killing be on the public payroll? the answer is no. he cofounded the weather underground and co-authored a book that was interpreted as supporting the man who killed robert kennedy. martha: congressmen michael grimm is due in court this morning. calling a federal tax evasion case against him a witch hunt. what we can expect today. eric: and making her first comments since she was fired as editor of "the new york times," causing a firestorm in the heated debate over whether she was treated differently because she is a woman. >> they are complaining about a fact some people referred to her on background is being pushy. something you don't hear being said about men. i make a lot of purchases for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase like 60,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores. with ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. travel, gift cards even cash back. and my rewards points won't expire. so you can make owning business even more rewarding. ink from chase. so you can. eric: a fox news alert for you now. michael grimm perhaps best known for threatening a reporter, he is due in part on federal charges of tax evasion. the former fbi agent vowing to stay in congress and run for reelection while fighting the case. he calls it a political witch hunt and prosecutors have laid out a detailed case against him. doesn't hunt live in broken with the very latest. what are you expecting to happen in court today? >> this is likely to be a fairly brief hearing lasting only a few minutes. administrative issues are at the center of it but they may be givingiven a date by the judge a full start. intel'indictment accuses him ofg profit from a restaurant he co-owned. those charges center on tax and wire fraud. thu.s. attorney summing up the case at the last hearing back in april. >> he can run the business legitimately and honestly or he can succumb to the lure of easy money and try and treat his way to success. michael grimm made the choice to go from upholding the law to breaking it and in so doing he turned his back on every oath he had ever taken. >> now one of the oath he had previous he taken was a former fbi agent. that oath o fidelity, brave bra, fidelity. eric: after the indictment became of swinging threatening to fight those charges. >> he entered a plea already at the previous hearings of not guilty over the weekend. he held a rally in staten island at which he said "i'm still here, baby." he said all along this is nothing more than a political witch hunt. he has said all along he will fight every step of the way. >> we will fight tooth and nail. we will fight tooth and nail until i am a fully exonerated. let me be clear, i will not abandon my post or the wonderful people who entrusted me to represent them. i had their backs and i know they have mine. >> the congressman says he will continue his fight for reelection in november. although, eric, he will have to do that without a lot of support from the republican party establishment which seems to be turning its back on the congressmen to a large extent. we will have to see how this trial ultimately plays those. eric: they can't get him off the ballot because it was after the deadline was over. >> exactly, two weeks after. martha: former "new york times" executive editor speaking for the first time since she was fired from the newspaper last week. there she is just a few moments ago delivering the commencement address at wake forest. she said working for "the new york times" was an honor. at one point bringing up a former conversation she had with a student. >> a couple of students i was talking to last night after i arrived, they know i have some tattoos. one of them asked me are you going to get that "times" t removed. not a chance. martha: meanwhile critics still claim "the new york times" would have handled the firing completely differently had it been a man in the same position. >> there is not a single word in her announcement of the contribution, about her record, about her time at "the new york times." she is excise from history. no more lectures pleas from "the new york times" of the treatment of women. the more he talks, the more crude becomes to to me that of course she was treated differently. whatever the issues in the news from work, the dynamics around her departure would not have been the same. martha: tucker, what do you think? >> the idea that she was being fired for being pushy, that is the way newspaper editors are, that is the way they are supposed to be. i hope they are aggressive and loud and always are. i think they made a mistake hiring somebody as left-wing. she wrote a book that attacked clarence thomas. not the right person to run a paper that tends to be nonpartisan and nonaligned. the really interesting fact here is this is sort of where you end up with identity politics. the idea was being mistreated with all women is a ludicrous way to go through life. i am a white protestant man, i'm not responsible for al gore. ericmartha: i should point out e pushy term is a strange when to use the somebody in that position because he would expect them to be aggressive, to be hard driving. in terms of a politics thing. i about that because this is a quote of hers from interview she did on january 21 talking about how martha: this whiteout is. the most secretive white house she has ever covered. i covered presidents from president reagan up through now, the washington bureau chief of "the times." causing many people to say the reverse perhaps it's true. it might have been because she was saying unkind things about the white house. >> if that's true, there is a story and i hope she will write that. anybody who has been paying close attention would reach that conclusion. i just think a lifetime "new york times" reader, i do think the coverage has gotten more left-wing. but the editorial page has espoused for 25 years the idea you ought to treat people as groups rather than individuals. they shouldn't be surprised when they fire and miss treat a woman that somehow she becomes a stand-in for all women. now they're having to live by it. that was the pretty unfastened. martha: as carly fiorina said, not one more word on gender politics from this paper given the fact they have talked quite a bit about inequality and the way they think women are treated and then to stand up and do this puts them in a very awkward position. i would also point out given the comments this morning, this is the first time we have heard from jill abramson and at least in this speech she has not mentioned that once. she didn't suggest she was fired because she was a woman. she talked about how honored she was to work at "the new york times." for this particular speech this morning, and there is another quote about her sister saying their data be as proud as he was the day she went there, she seems to be taking the high road at least at this point. >> she's smart, she's a savvy player. no one benefits from appearing to wine. she defines the story in the first few hours with a new yorker piece clearly coming from her perspective. that is where it started. i have no idea if it is true or not. there is no question it has been pretty well represented. the other thing is not a good manager at all, of course his family owns the paper so he will not be fired. martha: tucker, thank you very much. always good to see you, see you next time. eric: peyton manning is taking his career from the playing field to the podium. >> if you are nervous, i understand, seriously. there is no pressure here at all. if you drop it, it will not be on youtube, i promise you. eric: that is great. the star quarterback threw some passes during a speech at the university of virginia. fortunately none of the passes were dropped. the seniors present class gifts and awards to encourage the graduates to take risks and be prepared and to be rookies once again when they hit the real world. it so happens his wife graduated at the university of virginia in 1997. martha: fun to watch all of these commencement speeches. everything that happens would be caught on youtube, played over and over again. there is a glaring flaw in obamacare that could raise the questions on the road. they could be getting subsidies that they don't deserve. eric: plus dangerous conditions for a rescue mission. what happens when a helicopter crew tries to save a team trapped in the middle of a raging fire? >> it is raging and we are opening the water rights now. it looks like it is rough on the top so we know it will be worse even more underneath. martha: a teenager is rescued from a fast-moving creek in california. a helicopter navigating a gusty wind and trees to lift the boy to safety. they say the strong current swept them away. very scary for everybody involved. they could only reach him to try to keep him calm until help arrived. he did not want to talk after the ordeal but he says he is going to be just fine. nicely done. eric: new trouble for obamacare this morning. some bigger than they deserve, others getting shortchanged. now they say there is, guess what, no way to fix the problem because there is no system to verify their income. what is going on? joining us from the fox business network. you're supposed to say what your income is, there is no way to check this? >> what is supposed to happen in a perfect world's he put down what your income is and that is supposed to be verified against irs records. that connection has been lost between the two. now they're going to go after 25% of people have signed up for obamacare to come back and say your income was wrong and we all the government money. the irs will be responsible for that. this will fall on a government body that is already famously understaffed. this is by the private sector should be running every single state exchange and federal exchange and another that we talked about more and more as open enrollment is now six months away from new sign-ups. >> can you imagine signing up and getting a note the irs saying you owe us money. >> sounds easy to get a subsidy. that goes beyond the private sector, this is the irs to verify your income versus what you applied for and they don't have the bodies. it sounds to me like they have to double the size of the irs to do an average check. and you have bureaucrats who don't know what they're doing and others may be double checking your income and verification and giving away your secrets. >> they say 1.1. >> talking 25%. a perfect example of who could gain the system, lot of service sector jobs being created in this country. bartenders, waitresses famous for underreporting their income are most likely to sign up for something like obamacare, they go in and underreporting their income and they get more of a break on the subsidies then they deserve. >> here's where you really cannot trust the commercial budget office estimate of savings. they don't take into account of stuff like this. it is open for massive fraud. unless you take into account the fraud, you cannot believe the savings numbers they put out. eric: what about those people who get shortchanged. martha: "washington post" showed both examples are happening with the 25% number. think about what obamacare does. >> incentives to land this thing thing is so huge. >> if yo you're a small business owner, gets divorced on that is the way to gain the system. both of the incomes go down and guess what, you get more of a subsidy under obamacare. given some examples. >> anyway they can try to fix this thing? >> the private sector has to take over the exchange. >> sleigh have to get a private sector company to get in here and verify incomes? >> absolutely. the irs cannot do it. >> do we know how many people are actually paying? >> no. eric: to be continued. cheryl and charlie, thank you so much. martha: and award shall perform is that the audience to tears. michael jackson brought down the house from beyond the grave. creepy or good? we will be right back. captain: this is a tip. bellman: thanks, captain obvious. captain: and here's a tip. when you save money on hotel rooms, it's just like saving money on anything else that costs money. like shoes, textiles, foreign investments, spatulas, bounty hunters, javelins... life with crohn's disease ois a daily game of "what if's". what if my abdominal pain and cramps end our night before it even starts? what if i eat the wrong thing? what if? what if i suddenly have to go? what if? but what if the most important question is the one you're not asking? 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>> the department of health and human services will not comment on pending litigation. but the law requires entities that provide coverage must have a summary including the oppression of abortion coverage available to anyone who is shopping for coverage. they say that was not their experience. the government has until early july to settle the lawsuit. hope to receive a guarantee that every exchange offer at least one plan with no abortion coverage. martha: thank you very much. eric: new political fallout from the shocking and growing veterans affair scandal. the obama administration had known all along about the problem and were warned about the inaccurate reporting of waiting times even before the president took office. with mobile-exclusive deals download the expedia app text expedia to 75309 expedia, find yours for $175 dollars a month? so our business can be on at&t's network yup. all five of you for $175. our clients need a lot of attention. there's unlimited talk and text. we're working deals all day. you get 10 gigabytes of data to share. what about expansion potential? 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>> pretty amazing. some people said it didn't look like him. it is his face and someone else's body. a few years ago they did one of elvis presley coming out singing for a couple seconds in an awards show. unbelievable technology. i remember when i was a kid, people will appear in holograms. who would have known it would actually happen. >> they did frank sinatra at the radio city music hall that way. >> thanks for being here, eric. "happening now" coming up next. we'll see you tomorrow. have a great day everybody. jon: explosive new charges in the growing veterans affairs scandal with reports that president obama and his transition team were warned about wait time problems back in 2008. good morning to you, i'm jon scott. >> i'm patti ann browne in today for jenna lee. there were claims of neglect first reported in arizona, jon. jon: allegations that dozens of veterans died waiting for medical treatment and the delays were covered up. now the scandal stretches across the country with new mexico just the latest state facing accusations of mismanagement at its va facilities. joining us now, bret baier, the anchor of
a demonstration again? >> we want our freedom and we want it now. >> open hostility towards the civil rights. >> black power! this is the wrong way! ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ we talk about it as separation of the races, customs and traditions built up over the last 100 years that proved for the best interest of both, the colored and the white people. >> it was almost 100 years after the emancipation proclamation and america is still racially segregat segregated. black people couldn't vote in the south. they couldn't even go into the public libraries. the public libraries were segregated. the churches were segregated. ♪ ♪ >> we are in atlanta, georgia the baptist church where the father and son are co-pastors. >> frankly, as others have said, i don't know what the future holds but i know who holds the future. this is our hope. this is that something that keeps us going. >> martin luther king was immensely frustrated by the end of the 1950s because he had become famous. he's preaching all over the country. he knows that's his gift but he says people cry at my sermons but the next morning, it's still segregated. >> martin king called about 50 ministers from across the south to start a non-violent movement. the understanding of teaching non-violence was clear but there wasn't anybody that could teach it like jim lawson. >> james lawson has been to india and comes back with this storehouse of tactics. >> martin king said come to nashville now, we need you now. so i went to nashville and organized other people. >> now tonight we have a most important business to try to accomplish, and that is to try to have one major role-playing experience, which sort of tries to set the stage for an actual demonstration for an actual sit in. >> he talked about the civil rights movement in the '60s. people talk about beirmingham bt james lawson taught about none violence. teaching people like james louis and diane gnash how to not swing back if somebody hits you with a night stick. >> we actually practiced sitting in some took the role of students who were sitting at a lunch counter and others took the role of white thugs. we were practicing how to remain non-violent even in the face of violence. >> there had been other sit ins in those early months of 1960 but no one is centrally organizing or coordinating this like the student group from nashvill nashville. >> it was on february 13th and we had the very first sit in in nashville. i took my seat at the counter. i asked the waitress for a hamburger and a coke. >> the students sit down at the lunch counter asking to be served, knowing full well it's against the law. >> we were prepared to be arrested and go to jail and if necessary, stay in jail. >> well, it was a moving feeling within me that i was sitting there demanding a god given right. i could no longer be satisfied or go along with an evil system. >> the big surprise for them was that they weren't arrested. they sat there all day and realized that white people were floored. >> it is creating bewilderment and confusion among the white and negros themselves. >> when this disciplined platoon comes into a store and occupies the seats at the lunch counter, they move, they put on a bullish exhibition of what seems to be bad manners and crashing into a place where they are not welcome, i submit it comes with poor grace where their spokesman charges the store owner with bad behavior. >> mr. kilpatrick you have to agree with me all people should obey just laws but i would also say an unjust law is no law at all and when we find an unjust law i think we have a moral obligation to take a stand against it. >> during the weeks after the sit ins began, opposition in the white communities of the south solidified and the first signs of violence appeared. >> the man came out and said that there was a fight down the side. there was a bunch of colored people on the stools of the counters so i instructed the men to put them under arrest. >> on february 27th, 80 nashville students were arrested out of 300 participating in the sit ins that day. as the students were confronted with the choice of paying a $50 fine or spending over a month in jail, each of them chose jail. >> i felt free. i felt liberated. i felt like i had crossed over. >> while we were in jail, black women got on the phone and organized an economic withdraw. >> the negro has a purchasing power. the merchants of course were feeling the pinch because they were definitely not coming downtown to spend the money. >> the next day in nashville tennessee in the newspaper had a headline, mayor favored desegregation. was a great victory for the city of nashville. >> for economic boycott was withdrawn and nashville became the first major city in the south to permit whites and negros to eat together in public places. >> a remarkable group lawson brought together. >> we all applauded and here was the situation that turned out right. >> the ideas that they promoted very quickly spread across 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>> i've been confined and i haven't talked with anybody from washington or from the campaign. >> do you know of any efforts made on behalf of the kennedys? >> well, i understand that the kennedy group did make definite contacts and did a great deal to make my release possible. >> it turned out that phone call was given credit for kennedy's victory in one of the closest elections in modern history. king said, i hope that at last we have a president with the intelligence to understand this problem. i'm convinced he has that understanding and now we'll have to see what his passion leads him to do. >> what together we can do. >> kennedy in his inaugural speech did not have a single mention of a domestic issue. they said all these people out there, in particular black people who voted for you and you've got to give them something. what they did then was add two words talking about freedom and human rights abroad and at home. that was the only mention. >> kennedy's administration is trying to keep a lid on the civil rights issue, and civil right activists are determined to push ahead. >> brave blacks and whites rode into the deep south together on gray hound and trail ways buses to challenge segregation as freedom riders. >> the freedom ride started with two buses, 13 people going from washington d.c. to new orleans. >> the concept of the freedom ride was to show that the segregation laws were not being enforced in the south. >> even though the law the man says that a passenger can ride inner state and participate in lunchrooms and waiting rooms and bathrooms, the law says this, everyone cannot, particularly the negro. they are buying tickets from town to town and getting off in each down, going into waiting rooms, restaurants, cafes that are segregated in such a manner to enrage them and provoke them. that's what they are doing. >> we were abroad a gray hound bus going to birmingham and surrounded by a mob. he followed us for about four miles until one of our tires went flat and finally threw a bomb into the bus, the bug filled very rapidly with black smoke. >> meanwhile, when the bus got to birmingham it was even worse. >> they dragged about six of the passengers out, both negro and white and took them into allies and began beating them, began hitting them with lead pipes. they knocked one man, a white man down at my feet and beat him and kicked him until his face was a bloody read pulp. >> the riders were severely beaten, could not continue. the nashville movement decided that we had to take up the freedom ride where it had left off. >> groups would be dispatched. >> she said we will not allow to destroy non-violence. this is the test. ten of the kids said we will go tonight and that's the stuff that makes you free. that's the stuff that is freedo freedom. >> a group of them got on a bus in birmingham. when the bus pulled into the montgomery station, john louis could see hundreds of whites headed towards them with baseball bats, bricks, rocks. >> an angry mob came out of nowhere. i was hit with a wooden crate. beaten, left lying in a pool of bloo blood. >> before police finally broke up the crowd with tear gas, they beat and injured at least 20 persons. >> after the riders are attacked and brutally beaten, the freedom riders essentially become trapped in the first baptist church. >> the church was surrounded and people were setting fire to cars. >> it is a very dangerous situation. no one could leave the church. >> dr. king had gone over to montgomery from atlanta to lend support to the freedom riders and so king, too, along with the riders is trapped at this church. >> it's very easy for us to get angry and bitter and violent in a moment like this but i think this is a testing point. what can i do with my $7 a month anemail the school. acfone? 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[ cheers ] >> now this thing with king and all of the so-called freedom riders is to return to the homes, go back to the books and mind their own business. >> finally, with federal intervention the freedom riders were put on a bus and headed to jackson. we pull on into jackson. the wagon was waiting for us. >> we didn't know it at the time but the kennedys had agreed that the freedom riders could be imprisoned. >> the kennedy administration makes a deal where by the miss mispoli -- mississippi police units agree every freedom rider in jackson will be arrested. >> officials in mississippi think they found a legal way to circumvent desegregation. their method calling defiance of segregation a threat to the peace in an area where popular feelings run so high. >> the freedom riders included james bevel, john louis, james lawson, among others were sent to the state penitentiary. >> so this guy takes me back to the jail cell and prison doors slam, it has an affect on you. the sound, you thought you would never get out again. >> as soon asing a day tors leave and get tired of stirring up trouble, we're going back to the same old way of living that's made our city such a wonderful place in which to live. thank you very much, mr. mayor. >> this attempt to stop the freedom rides only served to fuel the flames of the civil rights movement. >> i would like to see the hands of those of you who will continue the freedom ride in our future. >> freedom ride after freedom ride would come through and get arrest in jackson and go to jail and get moved to the penitentiar penitentiary. >> during the time they spent in prison, a bond formed and they came out of prison more dedicated than ever and began to fan out across the south. >> james h. meredith, grandson of a slave and applicant for administration tiad admission to the university of mississippi. what do you want from the university of mississippi? >> i think every citizen should have the opportunity to receive an education in his state. you should have an opportunity to receive the best possible education. >> mississippi air force veteran james meredith insists on being admitted to the university of mississippi and ross barnett, the government of the state he's not going to let this happen. >> we here by deny you admission to the university of mississippi. >> and it becomes a crisis. >> ross arnett with drew local police and allowed the campus to become a war zone. >> please, teaching order. >> how can i remove him governor when there is a riot in the street and step out of the building and something happen to him? we got to get somebody up there now to get order and stop the firing and shooting and then we'll talk on the phone about meredith. at first we need order. >> finally, the army arrives from memphis and comes rolling on the campus and stops the riot at that point. >> i deeply regret the fact that any action by the executive branch was necessary in this case. but all other avenues and al alternatives have been dried and exhausted. >> james meredith went to school at old miss today but his travels to and from classes were not those of a regular student. >> go on now. >> for everywhere meredith went, so did his escorts. >> there is no country where the violence of sunday and monday is unreported. the example of the biggest story in the london everything standard was the violence on the miss m mississippi campus. it was humiliating for a democracy and embarrassing. >> i think my father and uncle were forced on the policy issues of america's leadership in the globe and saw the civil rights movement in our country as kind of a distraction. >> i think this is a charge before the president. he must start now making moral decisions, rather than purely political decisions. 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[ barks ] . our guest today on "meet the press," next week two negro students will seek to enroll at the university of alabama. governor wallace will bar the entrance despite a federal court order and the threat of troops. >> would you believe the negros in the south are human beings created by god. >> of course, they are. i said so in my campaign address. >> do you think they should be discriminated for obvious reasons? >> can they be enrolled? >> well of course, we'll just have to wait and see what transpireds chanc transpireds on that occasion. >> at the focus are two though gr fee grows, she's 20 years old and attended a home school in mobile, alabama. he's 20 and president of his class at gadsden, alabama. >> what is the general feeling around the campus concerning the agreement to admit the negro here this summer? >> well, all the students i've talked to and my friends feel there is not going to be any repeat of mississippi situation. there is not going to be no violence. >> well, i feel like it won't be as much trouble as, you know, has been on other campuses but will be bad news when the me gr -- negro comes in. >> does the government plan to use federal marshalls to prevent the negro students from entering? >> there is opposition in alabama or any state to federal marshalls and federal troops, and i would be reluctant to see us reach that point. >> you know, kennedy up there in washington and his brother the president, they give anything in the world if we had some trouble here. now georgia ask him to do one thing, tell your friends between now and tuesday, don't go out there. leave it alone. they going to handle this situation. >> governor wallace ordered 500 alabama national guardsmen in. they are under his control. it would require more than the pen to place them at the disposal of kennedy. >> national guard units are commanded by a governor unless they are federalized and the president becomes their commander in chief. kennedy had to make the decision what to do next. >> president kennedy has done some significant things in civil rights. at the same time, i must say that president kennedy hadn't done enough, and we must remind him that we elected him. [ applause ] >> under a siring alabama sun that has the temperature above 100 degrees, the waiting continues. the direct confrontation with federal authorities and negros students is believed to be moments away. they are on route from birmingham to the campus. wallace about ready to make his appearance on campus. >> coming into it, the justice deputy doesn't know what wallace will do. wallace doesn't know whether he'll be put in jail. >> as governor and chief magistrate of the state of the alabama, i deem it to be my solum obligation and duty to stand before you and represent the rights and solven tvereignt constitution out state of alabama and seeking to preserve and maintain the peace and dignity of this state and the individual freedoms of the citizens thereof, do here by denounce and forbid this illegal and unwarranted action by the central government. >> governor wallace, i take it from that statement that you are going to stand in that door and that you are not going to carry out the orders, is that correct? >> i stand upon this statement. >> you stand upon that statement. governor, i'm not interested in a show. i don't know what the purpose of the show is. i am interested in the orders of these courts being enforced. that is my only responsibility here. the choice is yours. i would ask you once again to responsibly step aside. >> remain on the campus. >> the justice department says the negro students will be enrolled sometime today. >> after ole miss, the >> after all this, the kennedys learned their lesson about negotiating with the southern governor. kennedy decides to just go ahead and federalize the guard. he is not going to play games anymore. the national guard general henry graham goes up to wallace. he says "it is my sad duty to tell you to step aside." >> we shall now return to montgomery for the purpose of continuing this fight, this constitutional fight, because we are winning. >> governor wallace moved away from the door and has left after being confronted with about 150 federalized national guardsmen. >> assistant state attorney general nicholas kesenbach all smiles as the two negro students are to enter the building. >> each time the issue came up, the president and the attorney general did everything they could to not have to get involved. and it was after the encounter with wallace that civil rights became top priority. >> this is not a sectional issue. difficulties over segregation and discrimination exist in every city, in every state of the union. but love alone cannot make men see right. we are confronted primarily with a moral issue. it is as old as the scriptures and as clear as the american constitution. >> and that was the first time the president made the question of ending racial segregation not because it's politically expedient to do so, because it is morally right to do so. >> next week i shall ask the congress of the united states to act to make a commitment it has not fully made in this century to the proposition that race has no place in american life or law. >> it's his most eloquent speech in some ways, most heartfelt speech. >> and this nation for all its hopes will not be fully free until all its citizens are free. >> there is a kind of bitter irony in that within hours afterwards, medgar evers comes home and his wife and children are up because they want to tell him about the president's wonderful speech. >> shortly after midnight, medgar evers steps in his car in this driveway. then evers was murdered. the fatal bullet was fired from a vacant lot across the street from his home, crashing through his body and the window of his home. he was 37. >> i was appalled at the cowardly ambush of him at his home in front of his wife and children. said something about how far we still had to go in reaching any semblance of social and civic justice. ♪ [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon. ♪ she can print amazing things, right from her computer. [ whirring ] [ train whistle blows ] she makes trains that are friends with trees. ♪ my mom works at ge. ♪ we're going to washington to urge the congress to pass strong civil rights legislation this year. >> the nationwide response to the power of alabama supplies the energy that allows the march on washington to start coming together. >> we will keep this demonstration nonviolent. it will be peaceful. it will be dignified and disciplined. and i think it will have a great impact. >> in my judgment, there was perhaps only one man or woman in america who could have put that march together, and it was bayard rustin. >> we need the movement of best minds many of which are white as well as black. >> rustin was simply an organizational genius. he was the best and the brightest. >> do you feel that the president's civil rights program is actually not needed? >> i don't think it's needed. and furthermore, i think it's unconstitutional. >> segregationists senators like strom thurmond are attempting to trumpet the fact that bayard is known to be gay as a way to undercut the march. >> there was an effort to block rustin being selected. and martin king said let he who has not sinned cast the first stone. dead silence. i recommend very strongly rustin. he designated as the director and chief of staff of the march. people around him said i second that. >> freedom now movement, hear me. we are requesting all citizens to move into washington, to go by plane, by car, bus, any way that you can get there. go to washington. ♪ >> pass them down. >> the white house, the washington police department, the defense department were all drawing up these tremendous contingency plans for mass violence. >> you have any questions, be sure you contact your captains for anything, and they will take it from there. the whole thing is an orderly march. >> they came from all over america, negroes and whites, white house wives and hollywood stars, more than 200,000 of them came to washington this morning in a kind of climax to a historic spring and summer in the struggle for equal rights. >> the march on washington was probably the most joyous protest march i've ever seen. ♪ >> this turned out to be a huge interracial gathering that clearly did send a national message that there was tremendous support for racial equality. >> i admired the people my age, and i knew that jonathan was the youngest speaker at the march. >> as a student, and as a participant in an international movement, i was ready to go. i wanted to push. i wanted us to stand up and speak up and speak out. >> we're tired of seeing our people locked up in jail over and over again, and then you holler be patient. how long can we be patient? we want our freedom, and we want it now. [ cheering ] >> and i would never forget the speech of martin luther king jr. on that day, dr. king spoke out of his soul. and he used that day and the steps of the lincoln memorial to preach a certainly man, not just to america, but to the world. >> i am happy to join with you today in what will go down in history as the greatest demonstration for freedom in the history of our nation. [ applause ] >> as he is speaking, mahalia jackson shouts to him, "tell him about the dream, martin, tell them about the dream." and i see him take a written text, and he slides it to the left side of the lectern, looks out on the 350,000 people there, and then he speaks. >> i have a dream that one day this nation will rise up, live out the true meaning of its creed. we hold these truths to be self-evident that all men are created equal. i have a dream that my four little children will one day live in a nation where they will not be judged by the color of their skin but by the content of their character. i have a dream today. let freedom ring for every hill of mississippi, from every mountainside, let freedom ring. when we allow freedom ring, when we let it ring from every village and every hamlet, from every state and every city, we will be able to feed up that day when all god's children, black men and white men, jews and gentiles, protestants and catholics will be able to join hands and sing in the way of the old negro spiritual, free at last, free at last, thank god almighty, we are free at last. >> i don't think they quite anticipated just how successful it would be. it represents the civil rights movement and a kind of high watermark. >> the momentum of change seems to be accelerating, and the hearts of 21 million american negroes, i'm told millions of sympathetic whites, they're meeting tonight in the hope that negro equality was at last overtaking the reality of history. ♪ ♪ freedom, freedom >> in the immediate wake of the march on washington, the civil rights movement has a national glow to it that it never before had had. but that glow tragically lasts hardly two weeks. >> the bombing of this birmingham, alabama church claimed the lives of four little girls attending sunday school. >> that was the church out of which all the kids had marched. so it was clearly a punishment. >> we felt like we were involved because if there had been no movement, chances are that bombing would not have taken place. >> kids were murdered in birmingham on a sunday and in sunday school in a christian nation, and nobody cares. start with the best writing experience.? 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well, what the hell is the presidency for then? >> no memorial orration or eulogy could more eloquently honor president kennedy's memory than the earliest passage of the civil rights bill for which he fought so long. >> johnson gets that civil rights bill moving in the first few weeks after kennedy's assassination. >> dixiecrats led by richard russell announced a filibuster. that is they would continue to talk and prevent the bill from coming forward for a straight up our down vote. >> this bill which we feel is a perversion of the american way of life and a great blow at the right of dominion over private property that has been the genesis of our greatness. >> lbj and his allies knew they were short. so thus began a 24/7 campaign. he bullied. he cajoled. he made deals in order to get enough senators on board. >> surprisingly, after a year on capitol hill, this bill is stronger than the one president kennedy first requested. president johnson should have the bill on his desk by the fourth of july. >> we hope to send in to mississippi this summer upwards of 1,000 teachers, ministers, and students to open up mississippi to the country. >> freedom summer, an operation to flood the state of mississippi with volunteers white and black students. >> we were there because we could assume that if the white mississippians mistreated us the way they mistreated the black people, that would be the basis on which to mobilize national opinion. >> we will treat anyone with great respect here in mississippi, but we will treat the people who come here, these children like any other backward children should be treated. >> and here is the news. >> there is some mystery and some fear concerning three civil rights workers, two whites from new york city and a negro from mississippi. police say they arrested the three men for speeding yesterday, but released them after they posted bond. they have not been heard from since. >> they paid the fine and i released them and i escorted them to their car. and that's the last time we saw any of them. >> we got word that mickey and andy and james had been arrested. and there was no word what had happened to them. >> mr. president, i wanted to let you know we have found the car. >> yeah? >> now this is not known. nobody knows this at all, but the car was burned and we do not know yet whether any bodies are inside of the car because of the intense heat. it is merely an assumption that probably they were burned in the car. >> or kidnapped and locked up. >> i doubt people down there would even give them that much of a break. >> we believe that all men are entitled to the blessings of liberty, yet millions are being deprived of those blessings. not because of their own failures, but because of the color of their skin. we can understand without rancor or hatred how this all happened. but it cannot continue. our constitutional, foundation of our republic, the principles of our freedom forbid it. and the law i will sign tonight forbids it. [ applause ] >> senator hubert humphrey has called the civil rights bill the greatest piece of social legislation of our generation. >> tell somebody my stamp, make sure we get some more hands here. >> the civil rights act of 1964 is not going to create instant brotherhood. no one pretends that. but the attorney general gets new power to bring suits against racial discrimination in voting, in public accommodations, in education, in employment. if a court finds you guilty of violating some part of the civil rights law, and if you continue violating the law, you can be fined or put in jail until you stop violating the law. >> three civil rights workers have disappeared in mississippi. they have not been heard from. so far only one clue, the burned out station wagon in which the three were last seen riding there is little hope that they are still alive. >> schwerner, channey and goodman were found shot to death at the base of a recently built dam just six miles from the city of philadelphia. their bodies wrapped in plastic bags numbered one, two, and three were taken to the state medical center in jackson for identification and examination. the two white boys were shot once each through the heart. james channey, the black youth had been beaten with chains until every bone in his body was broken, then he was shot three times. >> the finding of the bodies of the three mississippi civil rights workers is a saddening and shocking reminder of the brutality of race hatred. we naturally expect that those responsible for these terrible murders will be brought to justice. ♪ we shall overkcome ♪ >> we know they're going to say not guilty. no one saw them pull the trigger. i'm tired of that. don't bow down anymore. hold your heads up. we want our freedom now. i don't want to have to go to another memorial. i'm tired of -- >> the arrests had started before dawn. in all, fbi men picked up 21 men. included in the group were the chief law officers sheriff lawrence rainy and cecil price, they were murdered by ku klux klanmen with conspiratorial help of the local sheriff. >> bond was set. but less than a week later the accused were set free, their bond lifted. for james chaney's mother it was a shock, a disappointment. of her son's murder seemed farther away than ever. [ whirring ] [ train whistle blows ] she makes trains that are friends with trees. ♪ my mom works at ge. ♪ i have the great honor to hand over to you the insignia of the nobel peace prize and a gold medal. >> some critics have charged that the nobel peace prize was not appropriately given this year. what is your reaction to that one? >> well, first i want to say that i don't think the peace prize was given to me personally, and i don't accept it as a personal honor. i think it is rather a tribute to the wise restraint of discipline and dignity of which negroes and white persons of good will have carried out the whole struggle for civil rights. >> by the end of 1964, dr. king is aware that the one major southern civil rights challenge that had not been dealt with in the 1964 civil rights act was voter registration. >> a hodgepodge of election laws from state to state prevents many from voting. political machines disenfranchise others by downright fraud. the negro citizen may go to register only to be told that the day is wrong or the hour is late, or the official in charge is absent. >> there are five counties in mississippi, each at least 57% negro in which no negroes at all are registered. >> today marks the beginning of a determined, organized, mobilized campaign to get the right to vote all over this state. >> king chooses the city of selma because it has the worst record of any southern city on black voting. >> we will seek to arouse the conscience of the federal government by marching by the thousands on places of registration all over the city. >> now move. move. move. >> student protesters had already had a presence in selma going back to 1963, but had found it exceptionally tough going because the dallas county sheriff, jim clark, was an even tougher version of birmingham's bull conner. >> is not in session this afternoon as you were informed. you came down to make a mockery out of this courthouse. this courthouse is a serious place of business. you seem to take it to be just a disneyland or something on parade. >> we have had numerous negros that couldn't read and write come down and say they were told to come, and if they didn't come, they would lose their pensions from the welfare department or the social security. or have their land confiscated if they didn't show up to register to vote. and when they came down, they had no idea then what they were supposed to do. >> you are breaking the injunction by not allowing these people to come inside this courthouse and wait. this courthouse does not belong to sheriff clark. this courthouse belongs to the people of dallas county, and these are the people of dallas county. and they have come to register. and you know this within your own heart, sheriff clark. >> clark, he knew what he wanted to do to me, but he couldn't do it in the open because of all those cameras, right. >> we have come to be here because they are registering at this time. and i can't enforce the law. >> we have come to register. and this is our reason for being here. >> you're blinding me with that light. move back. >> if you want to arrest us, arrest us. >> why don't you get out in front of the camera and go on. >> facing your sheriff and facing your judge. we're willing to be beaten for democracy. and you misuse democracy. you good people that they will not have the privilege to vote. >> i'm here to tell you tonight that the mayor of this city, the police commissioner of this city, and everybody in the white power structure of this city must take a responsibility for everything that jim clark does in this community. >> we're marching today to dramatize to the nation, dramatize to the world the hundreds and thousands of negro citizens of alabama, but particularly here in the area denied the right to vote. we intend to march to montgomery to send our grievance to governor wallace. >> governor george wallace's head of the alabama state patrol in tandem with his good buddy sheriff jim clark thinks that what these marchers deserve is a good beating. >> we arrive at the highest point on the edmund pettus bridge. down below we see a sea of alabama state troopers. opposing the protesters was a force of alabama state troopers, sheriff clark, and clark's private army, the so-called posse men. >> we saw these men putting on their gas masks. they came toward us. >> it will be detrimental to your safety to continue this march. you have orders to disperse. go home or go to your church. this march will not continue. ♪ (train horn) vo: wherever our trains go, the economy comes to life. norfolk southern. one line, infinite possibilities. he thought it was the endn for his dof the conversation.d... she didn't tell him that her college expenses were going up. or that she maxed out her card during spring break. when the satellite provider checked his credit, he found out his daughter didn't pay her bills. but he's not worried. now he checks his credit report and score at experian.com, allowing 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taking the law into their own hands. this is unacceptable, and just not american. and i believe the time has come for the president to step in. >> the pettus bridge incident is one of those seminole events that helped create a groundswell for lyndon johnson to quickly and this time without nearly as much opposition as the civil rights act of '64 to push through the voting rights act of 1965. >> the president of the united states. >> johnson feels that he needs to go before the country in a joint session of congress about why this should be done. >> i was in the home of a local family in selma with dr. king, and we watched and listened to president johnson. >> at times history and fate meet at a single time to shape a turning point in man's unending search for freedom. so it was at lexington and concord. so it was a century ago at appomattox. so it was last week in selma, alabama. there long suffering men and women peacefully protested the denial of their rights as americans. their cause must be our cause too. because it's not just negroes but really, it's all of us who must overcome the crippling legacy of bigotry and injustice. and we shall overcome. [ applause ] >> so hear lyndon johnson, the president of the united states use the theme song of the movement, "we shall overcome," i looked at dr. king. tears came down his face. he started crying. we all cried a little. >> dr. king decided that the only proper response to this was to continue the march to montgomery and a court order forced the state of alabama to permit said march. >> has just ruled that we have a legal and constitutional right to march from selma to montgomery. 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[announcer] purina pro plan. nutrition that performs. the summer of '65, johnson gets that voting rights bill passed. >> thank you, mr. chairman. >> sure, the '64 civil rights act led to dramatic changes. but politically, at least in the short-run, the voting rights act was even more dramatic. >> this is an examination room at the central post office in downtown birmingham where under the federal voting rights act of 1965, federal officials are examining people to determine their qualifications to register and vote under the laws of alabama. >> once the voting rights act was passed and people got the right to vote, they stopped sitting in and started voting. and that turned out to be much more effective. >> the number of blacks who began voting across the south, the number of black office holders at the local level, the state level, at the congressional level, one of the greatest changes in american society. >> this is what james meredith intends to do for the next two weeks, march along the highways of mississippi, a state where he is one of the most hated men alive. his purpose, meredith hopes to encourage unregistered negroes along the way to qualify as voters. he also by his very presence hopes to dispel some of the fear negroes have in the south. >> in 1965 with the passage of the voting rights act, you'd have thought anything was possible. but then very quickly after that, things start to fall apart. >> james meredith was walking along the highway, a gunman stepped out of the woods and just blasted him with a shotgun. >> meredith was taken to a memphis hospital under police guard. his blood still remains on the highway. >> once he was shot, then there had to be some response by the movement. they had to show that the segregationists can't win that way. they got together and decided to continue the march. stokely carmichael and martin luther king. stokely carmichael was very much unlike the national group in terms of his perspective. >> we feel that we must continue this march right now, that it is urgent to do it. and we will be calling on people of good will from all over the nation to join us in this march. >> martin luther king was almost at the level of sainthood. stokely carmichael understood that he needed that symbol in order to provide legitimacy for what he was trying to do. >> we want to put president johnson on the spot. he called a conference two days ago to fulfill these rights. we want those rights fulfilled. they cannot be fulfilled with words. words cannot stop bullets. and we need action and we need it now from the federal government. >> no more questions, gentlemen. >> all right. >> we have the march. >> the most impressive thing about this march on mississippi is a developing coalition among civil rights leaders. there are reports of differences between leaders, and they are true. but their organizations have always been divided. a split among them is nothing new. put them all together on march on a highway in mississippi, and frictions emerge because of personal competition and individual ego. >> our sweat and blood built mississippi, and we got to take it over because we deserve to have it. that's what we are working for. >> stokely carmichael started expressing the goal now is black people exercising power. >> let me say first that this march is nonviolent. it is a nonviolent expression of our determination to be free. this is a principle of the march, and certainly we intend to keep this march nonviolent. >> mr. carmichael, are you as committed to the nonviolent approach as dr. king is? >> no, i'm not. >> why aren't you? >> i just don't see this as a way of life. i never have. and i also realize that no one in this country is asking the white community in the south to be nonviolent. and that in a sense is giving them a free license to go ahead and shoot us at will. >> if there was a symbol of white anger at negro protest in the north this summer, it was cicero, illinois, a town chosen by dr. martin luther king as the pressure point in his open housing drive. >> dr. king takes the civil rights movement north to chicago. and the issue is housing. >> the northern scene was a far more complicated scene and did not have the advantage of the jim crow law. >> it was one thing for northern liberals when the issue was integration in selma. it's quite a different thing when it was in cicero. >> if let's say 10 or 20 families moved into cicero, which is a town of 70,000? >> they'd get killed. >> it was the beginning of serious white backlash against the entire civil rights movement. >> the nation suddenly learned what it should have known, that racial prejudice was not just a southern problem, it was nationwide. whites in the north could comfort themselves by pointing a finger at the south, they could do so no longer. >> once again showing open hostility. these people here are firmly opposed to these marches. moreover, they don't see where they serve any useful purpose. >> most of the national press categorizes chicago as a defeat for king. >> i can say that i have never seen even in mississippi and alabama mobs as hostile and as hate-filled as have i seen in chicago. >> there was a growing feeling that king's movement wasn't working. he had lost a lot of support from whites and blacks, martin luther king is a good man. he is my brother. he is still like me. we're all catching hell. he's got his approaches of freedom. he is doing his best. and he is changing now too. he sees now that it seems to be impossible to do what he want to do. >> king was rapidly being eclipsed by a younger and much more militant faction of the black power movement. >> we are not going to let these white people come into our neighborhoods and kill us. we're going to put every cracker in atlanta on his knees. >> there was a lot of disunity because the only thing that had together ironically was mmunity segregation. once that has been overcome, then the question is what do you want? >> i would like for all of us to believe in nonviolence, but i'm here to say tonight that if every negro in the united states turns against nonviolence, i'm going to stand up as a lone voice and say this is the wrong way. 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[ whirring ] [ train whistle blows ] she makes trains that are friends with trees. ♪ my mom works at ge. ♪ ♪ ♪ i think there is a realization in this country that black power is not just a mere slogan, nationally or internationally. it is real that black people can come together and start determining for their lives how they're going to live and controlling their economic and political lives. so it means you have to build a movement so strong in this country that if one black man is touched, every black man will rise up and let this country know they're not going to tolerate. >> you talk about loving these honkies to death. during these rebellions, bring, you have to stop looking and start shooting. >> black power. >> the issue is one that moves across civil rights, moves across poverty. we get this explosion of violence. you have the watts riots. then subsequently riots in newark, in detroit. >> the riots spring to the fore the problems of inner city life. a consequence of a generation of neglect in america's urban centers thinking happened on 12th street in detroit in july. next time it could happen downtown or in your town. >> when you stood on the lincoln memorial, you said "i had a dream." did that dream envision the federal government preventing the society doing for the negroes that what you think had to be done? >> it was a high moment, a great watershed moment. but i must confess that that dream that i had that day has turned into a nightmare. now i'm not one to lose hope. i keep on hoping. i still have faith in the future. but i've had to analyze many things over the last few years, and i would say over the last few months i've gone through a lot of soul-searching and agonizing moments. and some of the old optimism was a little superficial. and now it must be tempered with a solid realism. and i think the realistic fact is that we still have a long, long way to go. >> martin luther king jr. was killed tonight in memphis, tennessee, shot in the face as he stood on the balcony of his hotel room. >> martin was gone. and the main part of everything was over. and we knew that the movement would never be the movement as it was, but then the things that we had lived and really fought for was one. >> i just want to do god's will, and he has allowed me to go up to the mountain. i've looked over and i've seen the promised land. i may not get there with you, but i want you to know tonight that we as a people will get to the promised land. so i'm happy tonight. i'm not worried about anything. i'm not fearing any man. mine eyes have seen the glory of the coming of the lord. >> there were many kinds of sacrifices made for freedom. most liberation struggle is trying to bring about a better world and a better society. >> we had to give everything we had to the movement. we accepted a way of peace as a way of life to wear nonviolence as way of life, as a way of living. >> we forged an agenda in the mind of the country. the movement begins with montgomery, becomes the sit-in campaign, the freedom ride, the birmingham campaign, the mississippi summer, the selma to montgomery march. >> history will record that those singular cumulative acts of courage transformed the south. transformed the country. >> we wanted to change america, make america better, not just for our generation, but for generation yet unborn. >> all of the civil rights, all the marches, all the people who have died in the civil rights struggle will have died in vain if once the opportunity, once the doors are open, no one is prepared for it. i know there's got to be several young people here who are like 5 years old, right? it's now becoming a possibility that that young man by the time he is 50 could be running for the president of the united states. hey, good evening. thanks for joining us. we begin with breaking news, breaking news and a story that many people in the country have been talking about, the death of a toddler locked in his car seat outside of atlanta, georgia, left in the car by his own father. the child, 22 months old, is named cooper harris. cooper was left in the back of