president obama facing resistance from certain democrats, rejection from many republicans and total opposition from israel's prime minister defended the deal in no uncertain terms and laid out three alternatives. >> first, we can reach a robust and verifiable deal like this one and peacefully prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. second option is we can bomb iran's nuclear facilities, thereby starting another war in the middle east. third, we could pull out of negotiations, try to get other countries to go along and continue sanctions currently in place or add additional ones and hope for the best. >> what a tough political sell this could be but jim sciutto is joining us with details on what negotiates agreed to. jim, break this deal down for our viewers. what exactly does it look? >> you take all the elements of iran's nuclear program that has caused consternation here in washington and western capitals for year and it does not dismantle them or detroy them but it modifies them or puts them under greater restrictions. and for instance take theed ed forthe fordo facility which is reinforced and designed to withstand american or israeli bombs, and it doesn't shut it down but keeps centrifuges there, but said they can't spin uranium. that's the new normal there. takes, for instance, iran's arsenal of 19,000 centrifuges. doesn't get rid of all of them. leaves 5,000 of them. a 75% reduction and another path to a bomb potentially was the iraq heavy water facility. again, doesn't tear it down. modifies it, changes its reactor so it can't produce material for a bomb. all these things to create that one yearlong breakout period that the obama administration said is the goal. in exchange, west promises to lift economic sanctions built up against iran for years. remarkable international coalition but retains the right to put them back on if iran at any point in this agreement or after this agreement fails to comply. that's the trade-off. the skeptics will say you haven't torn down enough of the program and the supporters say, this is better than the option when iran might expand the program more. >> and jim, the president spoke out today, and he said that he thinks that, quote, this is a good deal. what is the reakction so far from iran? i understand that they are pretty happy over there? >> no question. celebrations. you're seeing pictures in the street of people driving around honking horns and waving flags. a new twitter phenomenon of people taking quote unquote selfies with president obama because his speech in the rose garden was broadcast live on iranian state television. that's a first. it's truly remarkable and have to understand for the people of iran, i've been there more than ten times, they've been looking forward to this moment for decades. it's not just a nuclear agreement or a diplomatic accord but for them it is taking iran out of prison, and out of the pariah status, and today, in iran, you have to pay two or three times for a car and they have to be smuggled in, and it is hard to go to the universities that you want to go to and it is hard to get the chemotherapy drugs that you want and it is of course hard for the government to get all of the oil revenue it wants, and for the iranian people, it is chance to be a normal country, and that is what they have been looking forward to for some time. really, remarkable amount of celebration because for them, this is a life changing moment. >> it is if the sanctions are eased and then eventually lifted, billions of dollars will flow into that iranian economy for those iranian people. jim sciutto, thanks very much. reaction from the gamut. cautious optimism from the senate minority leader harry reid and house speaker john boehner calling it an alarming departure from original goals. any agreement would make the world a more dangerous place. joining us with political fallout from all sides, jim acosta from the white house. i know congress is in recess but a lot of reaction from around washington and what is the latest? >> that is right, wolf. the white house is concerned about this wolf. at this point, the senior administration officials say they don't want congress to move forward with any kind of new sanctions legislation on iran while this diplomatic process continues. keep in mind today was just a tentative agreement. there's still another one to be reached by june 30th. at this point, you can say the democrats are standing by and waiting for more details but republicans are laying into this deal, wolf. senator marco rubio, potentially running for president, likely to run for president in 2016. he has a comment. we'll put it up on screen. message to iran should be clear until the regime chooses a different path. isolates iran and today's announcement puts us in the opposite direction and i fear we'll have devastating consequences for nuclear non-proliferation and the security of our allies and partners and for the u.s. interests in the region. wolf, he is not the only potential 2016er who has weighed in. jeb bush put out a tweet earlier this evening and said i cannot stand behind the reported details of this flawed iran agreement but the one person we're waiting to hear on is hillary clinton. she put out a statement earlier this evening saying that diplomacy should be given a chance. people looking to see whether or not she would distance herself from the president and said she did not. >> she said it's important to comprehensive agreement to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon and strengthen the security of united states, israel, and the region. speaking of israel, the president made a phone call to benjamin netanyahu to discuss this unprecedented deal. tell us about that conversation. what do we know? >> reporter: that's right. that's one of the many phone calls the president is making or will make. he also talked to the king of saudi arabia and talk with congressional leaders. but this call with the prime minister benjamin netanyahu, and we know that they don't have a good relationship, and it is strained in recent weeks, and perhaps more so in the coming weeks. according to various phone calls, one from the white house, the president, of course, told the israelis that their security will not be at stake with this iran deal but that is not the readout we got from the israeli government. the spokesman for prime minister netanyahu was tweeting erlarlier that he told the president during the phone call that this deal as it stands right now will threaten israel's survival. i imagine we'll hear from the prime minister in the coming days. >> the deal on this framework would threaten the survival of israel and not block the path to the bomb, it would pave it. negative reaction coming in from israelis. jim acosta. thank you very much. more on what this all means. to put into perspective and dig deeper on the deal itself. chief international correspondent, christiane amanpour and david kay, the former chief weapons inspector in iraq. currently serves on the state department's international security advisory board, and former george w. bush senior director security council michael durand. christiane, after looking at the specifics of the framework agreement, is it a good deal for the united states? what do you make of this? >> well the president, himself, said today that this was a his historic opportunity, and if it's implemented, it is a very, very good deal, and of course, it's not perfect. nothing is perfect. but it is the best that could be achieved at this time. and he said that if you look at all the specifics, the draconian inspections, the fact they'll only have a certain amount of enrichment and dismantled, et cetera, this is the most strictly governed nuclear accord of any nuclear program ever in history. so that, i think, is pretty convincing from the president of the united states. just from the side of iran, this is really being taken with great excitement there by the people. the people of iran who have desperately wanted this for the first time, i think ever, the speech from the president of the united states is broadcast live on national iranian television and that's significant because president obama laid out this fact sheet which then the foreign minister, the negotiator tweeted, oh, there's no need to lay out the fact sheets so soon because that has the details. iran made concessions. >> we saw them pictures in the streets celebrating. mike you think it is a bad deal, and you think that it might make a nuclear breakout for iran more likely, is that your opinion? >> yes, it is. but before i would say it is a bad deal i would say it is not really a deal yet. the ptresident and john kerry are pretending that there is more there than there is. they had to head off the senate and so they are presenting, this is kind of a done deal when there's a lot of room yet for negotiation. christiane mentioned that jahvid sarif was tweeting about the fact sheet. he tweeted the administration is claiming that the sanctions are going to be rolled back gradually and he said they'll be rolled back immediately. there's a huge difference on major issues. >> we'll see how quickly those sanctions are rolled back assuming they're implemented. you say the framework you've seen so far is good but the key issue is how the framework will actually be implemented. how challenging is that going to be? >> well, there are two key issues. one is it's a framework. you have to negotiate a very complex arrangement. that's the first. and the second is how do you actually implement this and particularly, how do you implement over 10, 15, 25 years? choose your number because they're scattered applying to different things in this. that's very difficult and in the history of arms control, almost unprecedented. >> israelis not happy with this deal, david, as you well know. let me get your reaction, christiane. israeli intelligence minister was quick to condemn it. i know the president had a conversation with the prime minister benjamin netanyahu, and the iz rasraelis that i have seen, they don't like the deal. >> well we knew that. they don't. they have been trying to make sure that the deal does not happen for a long time, and the mantra from president netanyahu is that no deal is better than a bad deal. so they have never liked it. they believed it just sort of kicks the ball down the road and of course, the sunni arab partners of the united states on the same page as israel in this regard. they don't like it at all. prince turkey, the former intelligence minister from saudi arabia told me that he thought it would kick off an arms race in the region. i do however think i can agree with what both gentlemen just said. we do know it has yet to be implemented and yet to be fully signed off, there are a lot of technical issues and details to be fully negotiated by the real deadline which is june 30th. and then we really don't know because it isn't clear exactly the parameters of when the sanctions will be lifted. iran wants them all lifted, sort of immediately. if they implement it, as jahvid is a -- sarif said. the notion of phase, certainly the iranians don't talk about it as phase relief. >> you know, mike, under the framework agreement, the u.s. sanctions involving the nuclear program, they eventually would be eased but the sanctions dealing with iran support for terrorism, human rights abuses, they will remain in place. is that okay? >> well, i don't think we should kid ourselves. once we start removing these sanctions up front, there's going to be a huge economic boon to iran and its status in the international community is going to be changed overnight. and that should worry us greatly. they're not going to have an economic boon or commercial partners, a new status in the international system, and they will be in a much strengthened position from which to break out. >> david, the inspections, you were u.n. weapons inspector. do you think they'll be allowed to go wherever they need to go? the iranians really open their military facilities any place there's a suspicion the iranians might be up to something? >> that's the easy part of figuring out whether you're allowed to go where you want to go. the hard part is understanding where you want to go. that depends on first of all the iranians have to make a complete, accurate and full disclosure of what they had, their history is they've never done that before. secondly, over the course of time, and this is a dynamic economy. it's a dynamic scientific program. you're going to depend on intelligence. you're going to be flooded with exile and reports from the israelis and saudis, others, a place you should go, you're going to have to set out what is really possible and where you should go. this is a monumental task for the iea and quite frankly, one they're not equipped to do unless u.s. and other powers are prepared to increase the resources beyond what they have now. >> david kay, thank you very much. christiane amanpour, mike durand, thanks to all of you. quick reminder, set your dvr to watch "360" whenever you like. up next uncover inging the second black box of flight 9525 and uncovering more troubling details about what the homicidal pilot was thinking prior to crash. this is just incredible breaking news we're watching a sailor who everyone thought was lost at sea rescued. after more than two months in a broken sailboat, all alone on the stormy atlantic ocean, his father joins us. formation, no matter where they are. the microsoft cloud gives our team the power to instantly deliver critical information to people, whenever they need it. here at accuweather we get up to 10 billion data requests every day. the cloud allows us to scale up so we can handle that volume. we can help keep people safe and to us that feels really good. now? 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>> reporter: well, investigators know that he was still flying. he was still a pilot in that window, wolf, and he was searching the internet for methods on how to commit suicide and cockpit doors and security measures. in fact, investigators interviewed a pilot he flew with the day before the plane crash and that pilot told investigators he was acting very normal. they had just regular conversation, that there was nothing out of the ordinary. sources i've been speaking with believe that lubitz sees the opportunity when the crash happened as soon as the captain left the cockpit in order to fly that plane into the mountain. wolf you have to wonder what that pilot he flew with the day before is thinking. >> pamela brown, thanks very much. from doctor shopping to the drugs he was taking, all of this raising lots of questions. chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. sanjay, the co-pilot was prescribed what has been called and i quote heavy depressive medicine that had been very heavy on the body. what types of effect would these kinds of medicines have? >> well, when you talk about medications that are treating depression, sometimes they can make someone sleepy. they can be sedating but also have nearly the opposite effect, wolf. somebody who's very depressed, they are given a powerful antidepressant. sometimes, if they are bipolar, for example, it can sort of make them become more the sort of manic side of things. there are so many details about this whole story that are still unclear and frankly, the pieces coming in still don't make sense in aggregate. you feel there's pieces missing but a heavy antidepressant would have one of those effects, wolf. >> possibly could have been under the influence of this medication when he actually crashed the plane? >> it's possible, but again, you know, when you hear some of the interactions, it doesn't sound like anyone noticed anything abnormal. the day before, it sounds like someone who had flown with him did not notice anything abnormal. less likely if someone was quite sedated, may be noticeable but maybe more likely to be noticed if he had become manic in some way, had flight of ideas and doing things that were irrational. those sorts of things might be more noticeable than to people on the staff. >> in the days leading up to the crash we're now told he actually searched on his computer for both suicide methods and security measures related to cockpit doors, sanjay, and you say that the searches are pointing to vastly different things. explain. >> well, look. i think this is the inflection point. i think this is where people have been sort of tiptoeing around or not sure what to make of it. it's again, one of the situations you don't feel you have enough information. if you were doing searches online and looking at suicide, the idea of flying a plane full of people into a mountain would not be one of the things that would come up in one of those searches. there are things that come up when you search for suicide. if you wanted to just commit suicide, you could have done it on a practice flight. he could have done it in other ways if he was intent on doing it with an airplane. so the idea that at some point this flipped from being a question of suicide to a question of i'm also going to kill many other people with me when i commit suicide is sort of that inflection point that just doesn't make much sense. >> yeah, obviously. we know the pilot was essentially doctor-shopping in the period before the crash, and investigators have found that the doctors were not negligent in handling the case but regarding those not fit to work notes, what is the doctor's duty in a case like this? >> i've had a lot of conversations with colleagues about this and even looked through some of our own training again to get a better idea. typically what happens, if i were in this situation, i'm not a psychiatrist but if i were in this situation, worried about someone hurting themselves or others, first, i'd call a psychiatrist and question whether a person should be committed to the hospital right away for their own safety but also before i would let the person's employer or other people know, i would tell that person. i would go there, sometimes in the hospitals, you do that with other staff or security present. you say to the patient, i'm worried enough. i've made this decision that i'm worried enough to tell your employer of these concerns and relay information to them. we should point out, the doctors in europe were not found to have been negligent in any way. no compulsory action they must do that. it's sort of an ad hoc basis. >> dr. sanjay gupta, thanks as usual. >> you got it wolf. thank you. we'll continue the conversation after the break. joined by a leading neuropsychologist who designed a screening test for pilots, would-be pilots and a top crash detective and leading aviation attorney. later, a new terror tragedy. this time a college campus. 147 people dead, how to protect places that have now become attractive targets for would-be killers. financial noise financial noise financial noise financial noise you want i fix this mess? 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>> obviously, we see a lot of in-tact brain function, right? somebody who's organized, determined, focused, deliberate. serious emotional problems and moral problems but somebody who didn't create suspicion in the captain flying with him. that's why the captain would have left the cockpit. >> had to go to the bathroom, came back, and the door was locked. the cockpit door. the searchers finally have the second black box, the cockpit voice recorder, but we actually know what happened, right? the co-pilot brought down that plane. what's the flight data recorder going to tell us? >> well, i'm hopeful this flight data recorder is recording the movement of the door lock, it would open the recording of the opening and closing of the door but whether or not it would tell us whether the pilot attempted to get into the door with the key pad, and whether or not he did would tell us if that buzzer went off, and whether he held it down to keep him out of that cobtcob cockpit would confirm our suspicions now. >> justin, you think there's something important to search for at the crash site, possibly even more important than that flight data recorder. tell us what it is. >> i think the pilot's body has not been a report that the pilot's body has been found and as the doctor just mentioned, he was getting some treatment. so it's going to be interesting to see whether he had drugs in his system and if so, whether that may have played a factor. >> gary, the co-pilot had, in fact, been prescribed some very heavy drugs before the crash but investigators don't think he was taking them. he had seen several doctors, some of them knew he was a pilot. by all accounts, the doctors acted as though they were presumably as they were expected to act and required but it still seems like there were so many missed opportunities to stop this. do you agree with that? >> well, i mean, i think if your suspicion level gets to a point where you have an opportunity to protect others, then in fact, that's where confidentiality has to end. okay? so we actually have a responsibility if we feel that we can protect others or warn other ifs a threat has been made. >> dave, the more we learn about what the co-pilot's doctors knew, it makes new reporting or screening requirements seem that much more necessary. do you think we're going to see changes to medical screening, particularly, the mental health portion because of this? >> i think that it will first go more towards environmental screening. for example, being able to report, again, whether you've had a break-up or a divorce or a move. but again, that still relies a lot on the pilot's self-reporting. so that has to be examined really closely. i don't know what the answer is. i don't think anybody does. but we certainly all agree there has to be something done in the industry right now. >> i think you're right. justin, part of the investigation will be interviewing everyone who interacted with the law enforcement source. saying one person reported, he seemed normal on the flight the day before the crash. what will they be asking, what could they find out by talking, lets say, to more of his colleagues? >> you just said something about missed opportunities and i think the first missed opportunity was before he was hired, and i think there's going to have to be a much more robust prescreening of pilots coming into the industry. pilots who don't have a history that can be relied on, but also in the coming days, they'll be interviewing many, many people. obviously, he saw doctors. he knew he had a problem. his doctors knew he had a problem. from the stories, his girlfriend knew he had a problem. we'll see whether his fellow employees, the pilots and the air crew he dealt with on a daily basis saw anything that caused concern. >> i would say we know from what we've heard about his flight training, he interrupted flight training for treatment of depression and that was in the u.s. he would have had a u.s. medical certificate, and he didn't report in which he would have been required to do by law that he had been treated for this depression in the u.s. if that would have come under review, his records of his treatment, his medications and all would have been known. so if he concealed that, he was already committing a major criminal act by failing to report after this treatment. >> do you believe, justin, the most important thing now is increased screening for new pilots, pilots with no track record? >> i'm not a doctor but as a lawyer, the company will come in and say we relied on doctors and the doctors are relying on self-reporting and in this case, the doctors are relying on the self-reporting of someone who, in hindsight, is somebody with very serious problems and an evil intent and that's a problem. >> it certainly is. david, co-pilots said they prevented from alarms going off. why would he do that? >> the only thing i can speculate on that is that he was trying to prevent an emergency signal or warning that goes back to the carrier. if you look at the speed of the care kraft aircraft and not to exceed the velocity and not exceed the that so that a signal did not go out and send a warning. it apparently to me it appears as though he was trying to make this look like it was just a normal descent or some kind of thing he was fighting in the aircraft. he didn't want people to know he had committed suicide is what i derived from that, he had done that. >> good point. david soucie, justin greene, gary cay. thank you. ahead, the brazen terror attack of the university in kenya. we learn disturbing new details about how the massacre played out, plus mass terror plot in the united states. two women arrested in new york city. fbi said they wanted to quote make history and pull off a major attack. in small business you have to work hard, know your numbers, and stay focused. i was determined to create new york city's first self-serve frozen yogurt franchise. and now you have 42 locations. the more i put into my business the more i get out of it. like 5x your rewards when you make select business purchases with your ink plus card from chase. and with ink, i choose how to redeem my points for things like cash or travel. how's the fro-yo? just peachy...literally. ink from chase. so you can. in our house, we do just about everything online. and our old internet just wasn't cutting it. so i switched us from u-verse to xfinity. they have the fastest, most reliable internet. which is perfect for me, because i think everything should just work. works? works. works! works? works. works. tonight, authorities in kenya are looking for this man in connection with a brazen attack at a university. 147 people were killed. dozens were wounded. the islamist militant group al-shabaab claimed responsibility. attacked the westgate shopping mall in nairubi two years ago. robin joining us with the latest. can you walk us through what happened? >> reporter: well, wolf, at about 5:30 this morning, students, some of whom walking to morning prayers, others who were asleep woken up by gunshots and explosions, we understand. what was immediately reported as a number of gunmen but we know understand from kenya's government to be only four gunmen essentially took control of the entire university for a few moments and killing security guards and shooting their way through throngs of people and going dormitory to dormitory and holing themselves up at 11:00 a.m. with a number of students. we estimated it to be anywhere from 200 to 500 students in that female dormitory. from then on the siege lasted with with the odd gunshot, explosions going off. a large crowd gathering outside. and that's when the witness testimonies started to tell us exactly what happened in those hours. how they said christians were targeted, muslims were allowed to leave by the gunmen and that christians were shot. a siege inside the female dormitory lasted a few hours until eventually special unit of the kenyan police forced their way in and not sure how many others were killed. it all ended around 10 this evening. >> robyn, in response, the kenyan president said kenya is suffering from a police shortage. what is the country doing to alleviate that problem? >> reporter: well, 10,000 police recruits, we assume are hitting the streets sooner than expected. however, the problem is that easter weekend. in fact, what is quite tragic wol wolf, is when in fact, most of the students who die edd in this attack were supposed to be going on the easter break which would have lasted until monday. essential essentially, it is very, very sad, and then the kenyan government has extended the condolences as has the white house. >> robyn kriel, thank you very much for that report. here, self-described islam accused of plotting to attack the united states. women, former roommates, focus of a lengthy undercover federal investigation. one allegedly called osama bin laden a hero and had a photo of him on her cell phone. the other recording to the criminal complaint made contact with terrorists overseas. cnn's jason carroll has more now on the alleged terror plot. >> reporter: they're u.s. citizens who live in queens, new york. the two women identified in a federal criminal complaint as 28-year-old noel e velentzas and 40-year-old asia siddiqui. they are homegrown terrorists planning to detonate a bomb in t the united states. in the 29 page complaint, the u.s. attorney details how the women allegedly express their support for, quote, violent jihad. prosecutors say the women researched and acquired materials needed to make various types of bombs including fertilizer, a pressure-cooker device and multiple propane tank tanks which siddiqui kept in her apartment build ging. her attorney spoke outside of the courthouse. >> my client enters a plea of not guilty, even with an indictment and she and i will address everything in the courtroom where it belongs. >> reporter: authorities say the suspects were not after civilians, but instead, the police and military. even taking inspiration from the funeral of slain police officer rafael ramos believing it would be an easy target. considered osama bin laden her mentor and praised 9/11 attacks on the world trade center and obsessed with pressure cookers, since the marathon attack according to an undercover officer. prosecutors say that siddiqui's inspiration was just as strong and that she had contact with t the al qaeda arabian peninsula group and had written poems to a jihadi magazine. she had written, "no excuse to sit back and wait for the skies, rain martyrdom and taste the truth through fists and slit throats." and the pair on investigators since may 13 and according to law enforcement official close to the case, the women came to the attention of investigators through another terrorism investigation. people in velentzas' neighborhood say she's married with a young daughter, and sometimes argued with her husband, but there was nothing to indicate she had jihadist leanings. >> she's a very friendly woman and never expect that at all. very lovely people. i saw the fbi this morning but didn't know what that is regards to. but that is so crazy. >> jason is outside of the courtroom but they were talking and giving their lives to alla, was martyrdom their end goal? >> reporter: not necessarily. one complaint in june of 2014, valencas had a conversation where they talked about possibly being killed by police. said we will be martyrs automatically but in the complaint, clear the two suspects were trying to build a bomb they could detonate from afar and not be suicide bombers. so i do not believe that martyrdom was their ultimate goal. their ultimate goal was to create history. wolf? >> what a story, jason carroll, thank you very much. up next, another incredible story. a sailor missing for 66 days found at sea and rescued. grateful father joins us when "360" continues. hey mom, you want to live by the lake, right? yeah. there's here. ♪ did you just share a listing with me? look at this one. it's got a great view of the lake. it's really nice mom. ♪ your dad would've loved this place. you're not just looking for a house. you're looking for a place for your life to happen. zillow ♪ ♪ (ee-e-e-oh-mum-oh-weh) (hush my darling...) 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one and peacefully prevent iran from obtaining a nuclear weapon. second option is we can bomb iran's nuclear facilities thereby starting another war in the middle east. third, we could pull out of negotiations try to get other countries to go along and continue sanctions currently in place or hope for the best. >> what a tough political sell this could be but jim sciutto is joining us with details on what negotiates agreed to. jim, break this deal down for our viewers. what exactly does it look? >> you take all the elements of iran's nuclear program that has caused consternation here in capital for years. it doesn't dismantle them or destroy them but modifies puts them under restrictions. the fordo facility reinforced designed to withstand american or israeli bombs. doesn't shut it down. keeps centrifuges there but said they can't spin uranium. that's the new normal there. takes, for instance iran's arsenal of 19,000 centrifuges. doesn't get rid of all of them. leaves 5,000 of them. a 75% reduction and another path to a bomb potentially was the iraq heavy water facility. again, doesn't tear it down. modifies it changes its reactor so it can't produce material for a bomb. all these things to create that one yearlong breakout period that the obama administration said is the goal. in exchange west promises to lift economic sanctions built up against iran for years. remarkable international coalition but retains the right to put them back on if iran at any point in this agreement or after this agreement fails to come ply. comply. that's the trade-off. the skeptics will say you haven't torn down enough of the program and the supporters say, this is better than topgs which is going forward when iran might program even more. >> jim, the president spoke out today. said he thinks this is quote, a good deal. what's the reaction so far from iran? i understand that they're pretty happy over there. >> no question. celebrations. you're seeing pictures in the street of people driving around honking horns and waving flags. a new twitter phenomenon of people taking quote unquote selfies with president obama because his speech in the rose garden was broadcast live on iranian state television. that's a first. it's truly remarkable and have to understand for the people of iran, i've been there more than ten times, they've been looking forward to this moment for decades. it's not just a nuclear agreement. for them it's about taking iran out of prison this pariah status. today in iran pay two or three times what you would normally pay for a car. they have to be smuggled in. it's hard to go to the universities you just want to go to. hard to get chemotherapy drugs you want. of course it's hard for the government to get the oil revenue it wants as well. for the iranian people this is a chance for them to be a normal country. that's what they've been looking forward to for some time. really rackemarkable amount of celebration because for them this is a life changing moment. >> it is if the sanctions are eased and then eventually lifted billions of dollars will flow into that iranian economy for those iranian people. jim sciutto, thanks very much. reaction from the gamut. cautious optimism from the senate minority leader harry reid and house speaker john boehner calling it an alarming departure from original goals. any agreement would make the world a more dangerous place. joining us with political fallout from all sides, jim acosta from the white house. i know congress is in recess but a lot of reaction. what's the latest? >> reporter: the white house is concerned about this wolf. at this point, the senior administration officials say they don't want congress to move forward with any kind of new sanctions legislation on iran while this diplomatic process continues. keep in mind today was just a tentative agreechltmentagreement. there's still another one to be reached by june 30th. at this point, you can say the democrats are standing by and waiting for more details but republicans are laying into this deal wolf. senator marco rubio, potentially running for president, likely to run for president in 2016. he has a comment. we'll put it up on screen. message to iran should be clear until the regime chooses a different path. isolates iran and today's announcement puts us in the opposite direction and i fear we'll have devastating consequences for nuclear non-proliferation and the security of our allies and partners and for the u.s. interests in the region. jeb bush put out a tweet earlier this evening and said i cannot stand behind the reported details of this flawed iran agreement but the one person we're waiting to hear on is hillary clinton. she put out a statement earlier this evening saying that diplomacy should be given a chance. people looking to see whether or not she would distance herself from the president and said she did not. >> she said it's important to comprehensive agreement to prevent iran from getting a nuclear weapon and strengthen the security of united states israel and the region. speaking of israel the president made a phone call to benjamin netanyahu to discuss this unprecedented deal. tell us about that conversation. what do we know? >> reporter: that's right. that's one of the many phone calls the president is making or will make. he also talked to the king of saudi arabia and talk with congressional leaders. prime minister netanyahu, we know this they don't have a good relationship. it has been strained in recent weeks and perhaps more so in the coming weeks. according to various phone calls, one from the white house, the president, of course told the israelis that their security will not be at stake with this iran deal but that is not the readout we got from the israeli government. the spokesman for prime minister netanyahu said told the president during this phone call the deal as it stands right now will threaten israel's survival. i mamg,imagine we'll hear from the prime minister in the coming days. >> the deal on this framework would threaten the survival of israel and not block the path to the bomb it would pave it. negative reaction coming in from israelis. jim acosta. thank you very much. more on what this all means. to put into perspective and dig deeper on the deal itself. chief international correspondent, christiane amanpour and david kay, the former chief weapons inspector in iraq. currently serves on the international security advisory board and former george w. bush senior director council, michael durand. christiane after looking at the specifics of the framework agreement, is it a good deal for the united states? what do you make of this? >> reporter: well the president himself said today this was a historic opportunity and if it's implemented, it is a very very good deal and of course it's not perfect. nothing is perfect. but it is the best that could be achieved at this time. and he said that if you look at all the specifics, the draconian inspections, the fact they'll only have a certain amount of enrichment and dismantled et cetera this is the most strictly governed nuclear accord of any nuclear program ever in history. so that i think, is pretty convincing from the president of the united states. just from the side of iran this is really being taken with great excitement there by the people. the people of iran who have desperately wanted this for the first time, i think ever the speech from the president of the united states is broadcast live on national iranian television and that's significant because president obama laid out this fact sheet which then the foreign minister, the negotiator tweeted, oh there's no need to lay out the fact sheets so soon because that has the details. iran made concessions. >> we saw them pictures in the streets celebrating. you think this is a bad deal. you think it actually might make a nuclear breakout for iran more likely is that your opinion? >> yes, it is but before i say it's a bad deal i say it's not really a deal yet. the president and john kerry are pretending there's more there than there actually is. they had to head off the senate and so they are presenting this is kind of a done deal when there's a lot of room yet for negotiation. christiane mentioned that jabba sareef was tweeting about the fact sheet. he tweeted the administration is claiming that the sanctions are going to be rommedlled back gradually and he said they'll be rolled back immediately. there's a huge difference on major issues. >> we'll see how quickly those sanctions are rolled back assuming they're implemented. you say the framework you've seen so far is good but the key issue is how the framework will actually be implemented. how challenging is that going to be? >> well there are two key issues. one is it's a framework. you have to negotiate a very complex arrangement. that's the first. and the second is how do you actually implement this and particularly how do you implement over 10 15 25 years? choose your number because they're scattered applying to different things in this. that's very difficult and in the history of arms control, almost unprecedented. >> israelis not happy with this deal david, as you well know. let me get your reaction christiane. israeli intelligence minister was quick to condemn it. i know there was a conversation with prime minister benjamin netanyahu but the israelis don't like this deal. >> reporter: they don't and we knew that. look they had been trying to make sure this deal doesn't happen for a long time. i mean the mantra from prime minister netanyahu has been no deal is better than a bad deal. so they have never liked it and they believed it just sort of kicks the ball down the road and of course the sunni arab partners of the united states on the same page as israel in this regard. they don't like it at all. prince turkey the former intelligence minister from saudi arabia told me that he thought it would kick off an arms race in the region. i do however think i can agree with what both gentlemen just said. we do know it has yet to be implemented and yet to be fully signed off, there are a lot of technical issues and details to be fully negotiated by the real deadline which is june 30th. and then we really don't know because it isn't clear exactly the parameters of when the sanctions will be lifted. iran wants them all lifted sort of immediately. if they implement it as jebel sarif said. the notion of phase, certainly the iranians don't talk about it as phase relief. >> you know, mike under the framework agreement, the u.s. sanctions involving the nuclear program, they eventually would be eased but the sanctions dealing with iran support for terrorism, human rights abuses they will remain in place. is that okay? >> well i don't think we should kid ourselves. once we start removing these sanctions up front, there's going to be a huge economic boon to iran and its status in the international community is going to be changed overnight. and that should worry us greatly. they're not going to have an economic boon or commercial partners a new status in the international system and they will be in a much strengthened position from which to break out. >> david, the inspections, you were u.n. weapons inspector. do you think they'll be allowed to go wherever they need to go? the iranians really open their military facilities any place there's a suspicion the iranians might be up to something? >> that's the easy part of figuring out whether you're allowed to go where you want to go. the hard part is understanding where you want to go. that depends on first of all the iranians have to make a complete accurate and full disclosure of what they had, their history is they've never done that before. secondly over the course of time and this is a dynamic economy. it's a dynamic scientific program. you're going to depend on intelligence. you're going to be flooded with exile and reports from the israelis and saudis others a place you should go you're going to have to set out what is really possible and where you should go. this is a monumental task for the iea and quite frankly, one they're not equipped to do unless u.s. and other powers are prepared to increase the resources beyond what they have now. >> david kay, thank you very much. christiane amanpour mike durand thanks to all of you. quick reminder set your dvr to watch "360" whenever you like. up next second black box and more troubling details about what the homicidal pilot was thinking prior to the crash and this is just incredible breaking news we're watching a sailor who everyone thought was lost at sea rescued. after more than two months in a broken sailboat all alone on the stormy atlantic ocean, his father joins us. there's nothing more romantic than a spontaneous moment. so why pause to take a pill? 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>> reporter: well investigators know that he was still flying. he was still a pilot in that window wolf and he was searching the internet for methods on how to commit suicide and cockpit doors and security measures. in fact investigators interviewed a pilot he flew with the day before the plane crash and that pilot told investigators he was acting very normal. they had just regular conversation that there was nothing out of the ordinary. sources i've been speaking with believe that lubitz sees the opportunity when the crash happened as soon as the captain left the cockpit in order to fly that plane into the mountain. well if you have to wonder what that pilot who he flew with the day before is thinking. >> pamela brown, thanks very much. from doctor shopping to the drugs he was taking all of this raising lots of questions. chief medical correspondent, dr. sanjay gupta. sanjay, the co-pilot was prescribed what has been called unquote heavy depression medicine that had been very heavy on the body. what types of effect would these kinds of medicines have? >> well when you talk about medications that are treating depression sometimes they can make someone sleepy. they can be sedating but also have nearly the opposite effect wolf. somebody who's very depressed, they are given a powerful antidepressant. sometimes, if they are bipolar, for example, it can sort of make them become more the sort of manic side of things. there are so many details about this whole story that are still unclear and frankly, the pieces coming in still don't make sense in aggregate. you feel there's pieces missing but a heavy antidepressant would have one of those effects, wolf. >> possibly could have been under the influence of this medication when he actually crashed the plane? >> it's possible but again, you know when you hear some of the interactions it doesn't sound like anyone noticed anything abnormal. the day before it sounds like someone who had felonylown with him did not notice anything abnormal. less likely if someone was quite sedated, may be noticeable but maybe more likely to be noticed if he had become manic in some way, had flight of ideas and doing things that were irrational. those sorts of things might be more noticeable than to people on the staff. >> in the days leading up to the crash we're now told he actually searched on his computer for both suicide methods and security measures related to cockpit. you say these searches point to vastly different things explain. >> well look. i think this is the inflection point. i think this is where people have been sort of tiptoeing around or not sure what to make of it. it's again, one of the situations you don't feel you have enough information. if you were doing searches online and looking at suicide, the idea of flying a plane full of people into a mountain would not be one of the things that would come up in one of those searches. there are things that come up when you search for suicide. if you wanted to just commit suicide, you could have done it on a practice flight. he could have done it in other ways if he was intent on doing it with an airplane. so the idea that at some point this flipped from being a question of suicide to a question of i'm also going to kill many other people with me when i commit suicide is sort of that inflection point that just doesn't make much sense. >> yeah obviously. we know the pilot was essentially doctor-shopping in the day before the crash. we found the doctors were not negligent in handling this case but regarding these not fit to work notes, what is the doctor's duty in a case like this? >> i've had a lot of conversations with colleagues about this and even looked through some of our own training again to get a better idea. typically what happens if i were in this situation, i'm not a psychiatrist but if i were in this situation, worried about someone hurting themselves or others first, i'd call a psychiatrist and question whether a person should be committed to the hospital right away for their own safety but also before i would let the person's employer or other people know i would tell that person. i would go there, sometimes in the hospitals, you do that with other staff or security present. you say to the patient, i'm worried enough. i've made this decision that i'm worried enough to tell your employer of these concerns and relay information to them. we should point out, the doctors in europe were not found to have been negligent in any way. no compulsory action they must do that. it's sort of an ad hoc basis. >> dr. sanjay gupta, thanks as usual. >> you got it wolf thank. we'll continue the conversation after the break. joined by a leading neuropsychologist who designed a screening test for pilots would-be pilots and a top crash detective and leading aviation attorney. later, a new terror tragedy. this time a college campus. 147 people dead how to protect places that have now become attractive targets for would-be killers. today's revelations about what flight 9525's co-pilot had on his tablet about suicide, the cockpit doors and the medical news of the black box all add up to a lot to talk about. let's get right to it. joining us, neuropsychologist developed a cognitive test in the united states to be used by the faa, in fact airlines around the world. joining us the aviation attorney and pilot justin green and cnn safety analyst david soucie former faa crash investigator author of "malaysia airlines flight 370, why it disappeared and why it's a matter of time before this happens again." gary the internet searches show that this co-pilot had something that was going on. he thought about it and it looked like a premeditated act but took advantage of the opportunity, the captain, for example, to leave the cockpit on a fairly short flight for him to carry it out. what do you make of all of this? >> obviously, we see a lot of in-tact brain function right? somebody who's organized, determined focused, deliberate. serious emotional problems and moral problems but somebody who didn't create suspicion in the captain flying with him. that's why the captain would have left the cockpit. >> had to go to the bathroom came back and the door was locked. the cockpit door. the searchers finally have the second black box, the cockpit voice recorder but we actually know what happened right? the co-pilot brought down that plane. what's the flight data recorder going to tell us? >> well i'm hopeful this flight data recorder is recording the movement of the door lock it would open the recording of the door but the door lock what that would tell us is whether the pilot attempted to get into the key pad, if he did not close that locked door there should have been a buzzer that went off but this would tell us with definition he held it down and intentionally kept him out of the cockpit to confirm what our suspicions are now. >> justin, you think there's something important to search for at the crash site possibly even more important than that flight data recorder. tell us what it is. >> i think the pilot's body has not been a report that the pilot's body has been found and as the doctor just mentioned, he was getting some treatment. so it's going to be interesting to see whether he had drugs in his system and if so whether that may have played a factor. >> gary the co-pilot had, in fact been prescribed some very heavy drugs before the crash but investigators don't think he was taking them. he had seen several doctors, some of them knew he was a pilot. by all accounts the doctors acted as though they were presumably as they were expected to act and required but it still seems like there were so many missed opportunities to stop this. do you agree with that? >> well i mean, i think if your suspicion level gets to a point where you have an opportunity to protect others then in fact that's where confidentiality has to end. okay? so we actually have a responsibility if we feel that we can protect others or warn other ifs a threat has been made. >> dave the more we learn about what the co-pilot's doctors knew it makes new reporting or screening requirements seem that much more necessary. do you think we're going to see changes to medical screening, particularly the mental health portion because of this? >> i think that it will first go more towards environmental screening. for example, being able to report again, whether you've had a break-up or a divorce or a move. but again, that still relies a lot on the pilot's self-reporting. so that has to be examined really closely. i don't know what the answer is. i don't think anybody does. but we certainly all agree there has to be something done in the industry right now. >> i think you're right. justin part of the investigation will be interviewing everyone who interacted with the law enforcement source. saying one person reported he seemed normal on the flight the day before the crash. what will they be asking what could they find out by talking, lets say, to more of his colleagues? >> you just said something about missed opportunities and i think the first missed opportunity was before he was hired, and i think there's going to have to be a much more robust prescreening of pilots coming into the industry. pilots who don't have a history that can be relied on but also in the coming days they'll be interviewing many many people. obviously, he saw doctors. he knew he had a problem. his doctors knew he had a problem. from the stories, his girlfriend knew he had a problem. we'll see whether his fellow employees, the pilots and the air crew he dealt with on a daily basis saw anything that caused concern. >> i would say we know from what we've heard about his flight training he interrupted flight training for treatment of depression and that was in the u.s. he would have had a u.s. medical certificate, and he didn't report in which he would have been required to do by law that he had been treated for this depression in the u.s. if that would have come under review his records of his treatment, his medications and all would have been known. so if he concealed that he was already committing a major criminal act by failing to report after this treatment. >> do you believe, justin the most important thing now is increased screening for new pilots point in timesilots with no track record? >> i'm not a doctor but as a lawyer the company will come nin and say we relied on doctors and the doctors are relying on self-reporting and in this case the doctors are relying on the self-reporting of someone who, in hindsight, is somebody with very serious problems and an evil intent and that's a problem. >> it certainly is. david, co-pilots said they prevented from alarms going off. why would he do nah? >> . >> he was trying to prevent an emergency signal or warning, because it goes back to the carrier which if you see the speed of the aircraft the velocity not exceed the aircraft it will send a signal out and warn them that there's something going on on the aircraft. it apparently to me it appears as though he was trying to make this look like it was just a normal descent or some kind of thing he was fighting in the aircraft. he didn't want people to know he had committed suicide is what i derived from that, he had done that. >> good point. david soucie justin greene gary cay. thank you. ahead, the brazen terror attack of the university in kenia. we learn disturbing new details about how the massacre played out, plus mass terror plot in the united states. two women arrested in new york city. fbi said they wanted to quote make history and pull off a major attack. how can you just stand there? 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>> reporter: well wolf, at about 5:30 this morning, students some of whom walking to morning prayers, others who were asleep woken up by gunshots and explosions we understand. what was immediately reported as a number of gunmen but we know understand from kenya's to be only four gunmen essentially took control of the entire university university before essentially going dormitory to dormitory. holing themselves at 11 a.m. with a number of students. estimated to be anywhere between 200 to 500 students in that females dormitory. from then on the siege lasted with the gunshot, explosions going off. a large crowd gathering outside. and that's when the witness testimonies started to tell us exactly what happened in those hours. how they said christians were targeted muslims were allowed to leave by the gunmen and that christians were shot. a siege inside the female dormitory lasted a few hours until eventually special unit of the kenyan police forced their way in and not sure how many others were killed. it all ended around 10 this evening. >> robyn, in response the kenyan president said kenya is suffering from a police shortage. what is the country doing to alleviate that problem? >> reporter: well 10,000 police recruits we assume are hitting the streets sooner than expected. however, the problem is that easter weekend. what is quite tragic wolf is that it's supposed to be tonight was when most of those students who died in this attack who were supposed to be going on their easter break, which would have lasted until monday. essentially, it's very very sad and then the kenyan extended their condolences as has the white house. >> robyn kriel, thank you very much for that report. here self-described islam accused of plotting to attack the united states. women, former roommates, focus of a lengthy undercover federal investigation. one allegedly called osama bin laden a hero and had a photo of him on her cell phone. the other recording to the criminal complaint made contact with terrorists overseas. cnn's jason carroll has more now on the alleged terror plot. >> reporter: they're u.s. citizens who live in queens new york. the two women identified in a federal criminal complaint as 28-year-old noel valencas and acie. home grown terrorists planning to detonate a bomb in the united states. in the 29 page complaint, the u.s. attorney details how the women allegedly express their support for, quote, violent jihad. prosecutors say the women researched and acquired materials needed to make various types of bombs including fertilizer, a pressure-cooker device and multiple pro pain tanks which siddique kept in her apartment building. >> my client enters a plea of not guilty even with an indictment and she and i will address everything in the courtroom where it belongs. >> reporter: authorities say the suspects were not after civilians, but instead, the police and military. even taking inspiration from the funeral of slain police officer rafael ramos leavebelieving it would be an easy target. considered osama bin laden her mentor and praised 9/11 attacks on the world trade center and obsessed with pressure cookers, since the marathon attack according to an undercover officer. sidi sidique had repeated contact with al qaeda in the arabian peninsula and a poem in a jihadi magazine. no excuse to sit back and wait for the skies, rain martyrdom and taste the truth through fists and slit throats. and the pair on investigators since may 13 and according to law enforcement official close to the case the women came to the attention of investigators through another terrorism investigation. people in valensa's neighborhood say she's married with a young daughter and sometimes argued with her husband, but there was nothing to indicate she had jihadist leanings. >> she's a very friendly woman and never expect that at all. very lovely people. i saw the fbi this morning but didn't know what that is regards to. but that is so crazy. >> jason is outside of the courtroom but they were talking and giving their lives to alla was martyrdom their end goal? >> reporter: not necessarily. one complaint in june of 2014 valencas had a conversation where they talked about possibly being killed by police. said we will be martyrs automatically but in the complaint, clear the two suspects were trying to build a bomb they could detonate from afar and not be suicide bombers. so i do not believe that martyrdom was their ultimate goal. their ultimate goal was to create history. wolf? >> what a story, jason carroll, thank you very much. up next another incredible story. a sailor missing for 66 days found at sea and rescued. grateful father joins us when "360" continues. ameriprise asked people a simple question: in retirement, will you have enough money to live life on your terms? i sure hope so. with healthcare costs, who knows. umm... everyone has retirement questions. so ameriprise created the exclusive confident retirement approach. now you and your ameripise advisor.... can get the real answers you need. start building your confident retirement today.e plane and thought... yeah! empty seat next to me. and then i saw him slowly coming down the aisle. one of those guys who just can't stop talking. i was downloading a movie. i was trying to download a movie. i have verizon. i don't. i get that little spinning wheel. download didn't finish. i finished the download. headphones on. and i'm safe. i didn't finish in time. so. many. stories. vo: join us and save without settling. verizon. apples fall, but the apples of your cheeks don't have to. defy gravity. juvéderm voluma® is the only fda-approved injectable gel to instantly add volume to your cheek area. as you age, cheeks can lose volume. voluma adds volume creating contour and lift for a more youthful profile. for up to two years. temporary side effects include tenderness, swelling, firmness lumps, bumps, bruising, pain redness, discoloration and itching. ask your doctor. juvéderm voluma®. defy gravity. bring us your aching and sleep deprived. bring us those who want to feel well rested. aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid... plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. be a morning person again with aleve pm. a sailor reported missing by family 66 days ago found at sea. coast guard saying louis jordan on disabled sailboat east of cape hatteras north carolina and took them on board. a coast guard medevaced to the hospital in virginia where he is tonight. the coast guard said jordan said he lived off raw fish and rain water for more than two months. after his rescue this afternoon, got a chance to talk to his father on the phone. listen to this. >> hey. louis. i'm so glad you're alive. we prayed and prayed and we hoped that you were still alive. so that's all that matters. that's the only thing that matters. your mother's huh, what? >> i was afraid you guys were crying, sad, that i was dead. i wasn't dead. i wanted you guys -- >> we were. i thought i lost you. >> i spoke with the grateful dad. frank jordan just a few moments ago. mr. jordan this is an incredible news. i can't imagine what you're going through. tell us about what you know from everything that's unfolded in the past few hour and how your son is doing. >> we've got the coast guard call from the miami station and we were told that a ship picked up louis and that they would take him to norfolk to the hospital and he was okay walking around. and clear headed. that he had been adrift at sea. we knew he had been out for a long time but didn't know he was at drift because a post but apparently the boat went down. >> he survived. we heard a bit of what you said to your son, louis, earlier today by the coast guard. what more did he tell you, what was the conversation like? >> well it sounded like louis. to me that was kind of surprising. i don't know why i expected him to sound like anything else but just the same old louis and he says that he has fasted before so it wasn't the first time he went without food. which i thought that was interesting. >> 66 days at sea, about 200 miles off the coast of north carolina. had you held on to hope he would be found because it's our understanding the coast guard effectively had stopped searching back in february is that correct? >> yeah. and, but i knew he had a good seaworthy boat. 35 foot sailboat. and well designed. i felt the boat was going to keep him alive, so i had all sorts of worries because he's not an experienced sailor but he basically wanted to go out and catch some fish. that's why he left the marina. >> what more do you know about when he left? the weather, anything that could have contributed to his disappearance? >> i don't really know. i can't answer that question. i know i called him at one point a few days after he left land and i spoke with him, that was the last time i ever talked to him and he was a few miles offshore. and as far as how he got off track, i don't know. i can't answer that. i'm going to have to get the details from him. >> certainly will. also mentioned your son is not necessarily a very experienced sailor but obviously, he would have to be extremely resourceful or strong to survive for this long right? >> oh yes. very strong. he's got very strong constitution and not only physically but spiritually. and he told me on the phone that he was praying the whole time so i believe that sustained him a great deal. >> louis, your son, the coast guard, the doctors say he's okay. is that right? >> yes. and he sounded fine when i talked to him. he said he had a hurt shoulder. >> if that's it he's in great shape. >> yeah. yeah. >> mr. jordan, thank you so much for your time. we wish you and your family only the best. >> thank you, wolf. up next fixing that hotly debated religious freedom law in indiana. the pursuit of healthier. it begins from the second we're born. after all, healthier doesn't happen all by itself. it needs to be earned... every day... using wellness to keep away illness... and believing that a single life can be made better by millions of others. healthier takes somebody who can power modern health care... by connecting every single part of it. for as the world keeps on searching for healthier... we're here to make healthier happen. optum. healthier is here. sometimes the present looked bright. sometimes romantic. there were tears in my eyes. and tears in my eyes. and so many little things that we learned were really the biggest things. through it all, we saved and had a retirement plan. and someone who listened and helped us along the way. because we always knew that someday the future would be the present. every someday needs a plan. talk with us about your retirement today. a lot more happening tonight. amara walker has a "360" bulletin. amara? >> lawmakers in indiana and arkansas today approved changes to their religious freedom laws that sparked widespread criticism and boycott. the amendments aim to address concerns that the law discriminate against gay people. did governor of those states revised the legislation. cnn will dig deeper on the controversy coming up in a few minutes at 9:00 eastern when chris cuomo hosts special report religious rights showdown. robert menendez pleaded not guilty today in federal court charged with accepting lavish gifts as many as $1 million in exchange for political favors and christian, robert shuler has died. hosted the hour of power telecast for decades and founded the crystal cathedral megachurch in california. he was 88. wolf? >> thank you. cnn special report america's religious rights showdown starts right now. we have special coverage of america's religious rights showdown. i'm chris cuomo in new york. what a difference a week makes. two laws in two states in a totally different place a week ago. promised not to discriminate did just that. a transsen dent backlash
university campus in southeastern kenya. two people reported killed and 30 people wounded at garissa university college. four critically. according to the kenya red cross, the militants have taken an unknown number of hostages. we know 50 hostages have been freed. according to kenya's interior ministry the gunmen are now cornered in a dormitory. this new information just in from the kenya red cross, look at this image of a flattened building. it is a building under construction behind the mall has collapsed. fire brigade at the scene. that is one photo we are watching. cnn's soni methu is live for us in nairobi. what is happening now, soni? >> reporter: the latest from the police is that out of the four hostels in the school they have secured three of them. and you reported rightly, attackers have hostages in one of the dormitories they have yet to secure. they still have not confirmed the number of casualties. soon after that information by red cross where 30 have taken to the hospital. seven more have been to hospital in critical condition. >> we are having trouble with her feed. i want to go to david mckenzie. he is standing by watching the developments. david, you spent years reporting from nairobi for us. you know kenya and al shabaab and the issue on the ground. this is still an active situation. we know three dormitories have been cleared. some hostages have been released but this is still a terror attack that is underway. >> reporter: that's right. and soni was reporting, the security forces are trying to corner the terrorists and gunmen. there are several of them who appear to be using automatic rifles as well as possibly grenades and suicide vests. this is a tricky scenario. as it draws out and gets longer it will create a great deal of panic in that region and potentially give al shabaab more exposure which is one of the main reasons they are doing this kind of attack. >> who are al shabaab? >> reporter: they are a group that did control big parts of somalia neighboring to kenya for several years. they were pushed back by the african union forces in heavy fighting in a contracted campaign. al shabaab has shifted from trying to create islamic state in somalia. they are becoming a classic terror group. targeting soft targets in kenya. they obviously, you may remember threatened to attack u.s. malls in recent months. a threat that many people did not take seriously. what we can see, they are greatly reduced as an operational force. they can strike the soft targets like university and strike fear into kenya. >> a university soft target for sure. also its young people and education and it is young men and young women and garissa is relatively close to a porous border with somalia. >> reporter: that's right. about 90 miles from somalia. this border is very easy to cross both ways. that has been a difficult scenario for kenya. since the kenyan military invaded in 2011 it opened itself up to the threat and the reality of attacks by al shabaab. most infamously in 2013 when al shabaab took on that mall in nairobi westgate mall and held people hostage for hours. it would appear this is a similar sort of operation. they try to drag this out, of course terrible for the parents and families of those who are at the university. garissa is in a part of kenya seen as marginalized and not well developed. terribly tragic for the institution. the forces will be watched closely in this operation because they were roundly criticized for how they dealt with previous terror attacks. >> do we know was there any prior intelligence or if they were worried about this or any kind of warning? >> reporter: the u.s. embassy did put out a general warning quite recently. they do this quite often. the kenyan government has criticized the u.s. and u.k. for putting out travel advisories. in this case they may have been on to something. there wasn't any actionable or specific attention to that. my sources say there were rumors circulating and intelligence of an attack on a university. they did beef up security at several key universities in kenya. i do not know what level of security there was at this institution in garissa. certainly it was in the mind's eye of the public and security forces. it will come out if they had actionable attention to get to this. now it is all trying to contain the situation and take out the hostage takers and hopefully have more survivors. >> this is still something happening. active gunmen cornered in one dormitory. potentially still hostages. david, thank you. keep working your sources. we will talk to you soon. six minutes past the hour. this breaking news in yemen. nearly 200 prisoners with links to al qaeda have escaped from a prison in the port city of mukalla. dozens of attack annerers took control of the central city and bank and radio station. ian lee joins us. ian, a chaotic situation already and now 200 al qaeda linked militants essentially let out of a prison. >> reporter: that's right, christine. this happened in the eastern part of the country. an area that has been relatively left alone during this recent crisis. a lot of that taking place in the western part of the country. al qaeda are really not showing a presence during this fighting. laying low. they had some attacks that had been attributed to them. they have been content with allowing the houthis rebels and government militias fight each other. now we are seeing that this jail break took place in the eastern part of the country. an area well known for being infested with al qaeda fighters. this attack taking place going after this government prison. this is a bold move by al qaeda and shows that their resurgence. the united states have been battling for years and they pulled out when the security situation disintegrated. now it looks al qaeda is rean surging in the eastern part of the country. >> ian lee with the developing situation. a jail break. 200 al qaeda linked prisoners escaping. showing the chaos. thank you, ian. happening this morning, necessity goshering negotiators struggling and pulling an all nighter to get a deal. word from negotiators that they made significant progress is another. iran's foreign minister called negotiations with the west always problematic. for the latest on the situation, let's bring in elise labott. that could go both ways couldn't it elise? >> reporter: the negotiators worked out night. they got a few hours rest. they showered and about to come back fresh for the talks to resume shortly. although they are starting again, they are going two days past the deadline there is a lot of uncertainty in the talks. it has been a roller coaster. the british and french foreign ministers returned last night, an indicator that a deal was possible. they were in the last final meters but the final meters are the sticking points. they were talking about the framework agreement for a longer agreement to be negotiated by june. sticking points about sanctions and the amount of research and development that iran could do toward the end the deal. now we are getting into one upsmanship. they are trying to divide the negotiating world powers group. the west when he talks about the west problematic, he says they are not all on the same page. from the u.s. side, the elephant in the room is congress and the deadline. they are using that for the united states to try to force their hand. even though congress is threatening to impose sanctions against iran it seems that the u.s. desire to get a deal to show something to congress is a factor. >> let me ask you about what iran regardless of what happens with the framework or any kind of deal what iran has gained already? iran has been at the table for day was the world's biggest powers. has iran managed to lift itself up diplomatically and legitimize itself by doing this process? >> reporter: a little bit. they have gotten some economic benefit from suspending sanctions in the interim agreement. they have been at the table for a week. the iranian foreign minister is better at playing to the press and playing to the domestic constituency. we barely hear from kerry. we try to door stop him going to lunch, but the iranian foreign minister is talking to us and getting the iranian narrative out there. even though iran is the weaker party at the talks, they are the supplacant they are the tough negotiator. i feel they are the ones that are dictating a lot of what is going on here in lausanne. >> thank you, elise labott. 11 minutes past the hour. we are following breaking news. gunmen storming a university in kenya. students attacked. plus hundreds of prisoners linked to al qaeda. they escaped prison in yemen. grim recovery at the crash site of germanwings flight 9525 as the new video claiming of a video surfaced. were the last minutes of the flight recorded? we are live with the latest next. well, a mortgage shouldn't be a problem your credit is in pretty good shape. >>pretty good? i know i 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moments, it has not surfaced publicly yet. french police believe it doesn't exist. prosecutors say if it does whoever has it better surrender it. listen to the reporter with the french publication telling wolf blitzer he watched it with his own eyes. >> what is the most impressive in this short video is the sounds the noise. the deep impact is that noise of people screaming and screaming again. >> how many times, fredric, have you watched the video? maybe about 100 times. >> search crews in the french alps still going through the wreckage of flight 9525. let's get the latest from correspondent frederik pleitgen in dusseldorf. a lot of drama around the cell phone video. is it real? how did it get into the hands of these newspapers to be viewed? we just don't know if it is legitimate. we can to the confirm the authenticity. >> reporter: we cannot, christine christine. the "bild" newspaper say they stand by their story. they say the video from their side at least has been verified. they are working closely with the french publication and also with that journalist talking to wolf blitzer. the french authorities for their part as you said have been coming out with mixed messages. they say they believe the paper reports about the video are under true and unwarranted. at least in one press release, they did find at least parts of cell phones but they said that none of the cell phones video, if there was any or no cell phone video has been used in the investigation. if anything could be retrieved, it would be sent to labs first to be viewed there. at this point in time they are saying that no cell phone video has been used yet. if somebody has video, they better come up with it as fast as they can. this investigation has been mired by leaks. one of the things that happened of course the transcript of the cockpit voice recorder leaked. the head of the b.e.a. was questioned by police because of the leaks going on specifically for a times report. this is certainly not something if a video is out there, it would be out of the question it would have been leaked to the press. >> people are hungry for information, but you want to make sure the information is valid and you are sensitive to the needs of families. tell me about the recovery effort. we were talking to erin mclaughlin earlier. she said human remains have not been found in the last day or so. the crews are digging for plane parts underground. >> reporter: digging for plane parts underground. one thing they said is they are trying to find the flight data recorder. that could yield important information. one of the things they said is possibly the impact of the flight hitting the mountain, we know it was at high speed. we know people in the early stages of investigation said the plane literally had been obliterated by the mountain side. they think it was jettisoned out of the rubble and may have landed in the gravel and shale around the crash site. they are digging there as well. as you say, right now, the recovery effort while still difficult, has become easier because they managed to get the access road all the way to the crash site. we have seen from the video that emerged from the crews working there, still difficult and difficult terrain and very difficult weather conditions in europe. it seems progress in spite of that good. the french president believes all of the victims will be identified by the end of the week which is a lot faster than they thought they would. we will wait and see if the other flight data recorder is recovered and see what else they find. very difficult operation and one where the head of lufthansa came out and thanked the crews for the hard and good work they are doing out there. >> thanked the crews, but did not answer questions about the timing of when the crew. that may not have been the time and place. clearly people want answers. fred pleitgen talk to you soon. 207 minutes past the hour. following a lot going on. in yemen, hundreds of 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deal to quote fix the state's controversial religious freedom law. the law drawing fire from gay rights. the government officials in other states threatening to boycott indiana. officials revealing a deal this morning. cnn's miguel marquez is in indianapolis. >> reporter: christine, it appears we have a fix after a long, long day here at the capitol building in indiana. the republicans meeting in that room behind us for about five hours in total. all of the republicans caucusing. besides that they were meeting individually for much of the day. all business suspended until they can deal with this religious freedom restoration act and how they fix it and get to the governor's desk. the speaker of the house here is the guy at the center of all this. he is the one that is charged with coming up with this late last night he came out after a long long conference. we could hear some clapping and cheering in that room along the way. he came out and told us what he thought about the deal. >> we did start the session with that bill. those who advocated for it to strengthen religious freedom. we all think that is the right thing. the question is removing the specter that is raised. the discrimination and denial of service. that is what we are focusing on. >> reporter: the timing of this still tricky. what has to happen is they have to make it public. he wanted to talk to other individuals before making that language public. he would not go into details about it. he said it would not include a repeal. it would not include certain provisions like a non discrimination act. he would not say what was in the language of the fix. he does say that once they agree, though they will take it to conference committee and voted on in both houses. house and senate in the legislature in indiana. then it will go to the governor's desk possibly by as early as this afternoon. christine. >> miguel marquez, thank you. arkansas lawmakers furiously working on changes to their religious freedom bill. the governor there hutchinson said he will not sign the bill. it is a bill similar under fire in indiana. hutchinson responding to objections from businesses. walmart walmart's ceo said do not sign this bill. >> it has divided families and there is clearly a generational gap on this issue. my son seth signed the petition asking me dad, the governor to veto this bill. and he gave me permission to make that reference and it shows that families and a generational difference of opinion on these issues. >> a replacement bill intended to address his concerns passed the state senate. leaders hope to get to the governor's desk by the end of the week. when the world's largest retailer and private employer in the united states says don't sign this bill mr. governor you take that seriously. these are people who create jobs. more businesses taking action in indiana, alison kosik joins me. in indiana, alison sales force making a dramatic promise here to workers. >> this is interesting. we are hearing of the dozens of companies expressing outrage, but hearing about the biggest tech employer in indiana moving employees out of the state. sales force is moving employees out of the state. now the ceo told poppy harlow said several employees asked for transfers. he agreed and is supplying relocation packages. >> i just got an e-mail from another employee who said, look i don't feel comfortable living in this state. you have to move me out. i gave him a $50,000 relocation package and said great. you are clear to go. >> a $50,000 relocation package. putting your money where your mouth is. he says the law has cost the state tens of millions of dollars. that could grow to hundreds of millions of dollars if nothing changes. >> that is something. thanks alison. we are following breaking news. hundreds of prisoners linked to al qaeda escape prison in yemen. gunmen storm a university in kenya. a hostage situation. we are told that terrorists are cornered. all of the developments after the break. >> announcer: this is cnn breaking news. breaking news this morning. 200 al qaeda linked prisoners escaping in yemen. we are live with that story. also breaking this morning, gunmen storming a university in kenya. gunshots going off like fireworks. live with the details on that developing story. welcome back to "early start." i'm christine romans. a lot going on. welcome to the viewers in the u.s. and around the world. we have breaking news. first in yemen. nearly 200 prisoners with links to al qaeda have escaped from a prison in the port city of mukalla. we have cnn's ian lee report on the chaotic situation in yemen. ian, what can you tell us? >> reporter: christine, the assault took place in the early morning hours. dozens of al qaeda militants attacked the prison to free their comrades. we are hearing a senior al qaeda figure was also freed in this assault. we are hearing that they took control of government buildings in that city as well. they held that area until government troops were able to come and we are told the militants fled away. this is showing how al qaeda is growing more bold really as yemen disintegrates into chaos. the eastern part of the country where a lot of the fighting is taking place with the houthis. we have seen prison breaks like this before from al qaeda. it just shows how they are still a very viable and formidable opponent in yemen. the united states has been battling them for years and really coordinating with the government. the recent chaos this past week the united states has withdrawn their military advisers and really scaled back their attacks and operations against al qaeda. al qaeda in the arabia peninsula is the most dangerous branches of al qaeda in the world. >> the big concern here ian, the breakdown in yemen is going to provide a cauldron of bad actors without u.s. eyes to watch what they are doing and where they are going and what they are plotting against the west. >> reporter: that is right. al qaeda has been keen on exploiting the chaos their right now. really we see these houthi rebels taking control in a large part. when you look at the eastern part of the country. it is a large part of the country where al qaeda can roam and operate without any regard to the government or to any other security forces. they really have control over that large part of that area. it is a great concern for western governments especially because they had to withdraw the forces they were operating against in al qaeda. they were also training government forces who were helping them conduct the operations against al qaeda. all of that has been put on hold. something that al qaeda is keen on exploiting. >> ian lee, thank you so much for that this morning. 200 al qaeda linked prisoners escaping from prison in a chaotic situation in yemen. more breaking news this morning. in southeastern kenya. gunmen taking hostages at university campus in the city of garissa. the kenyan red cross says at least 65 people wounded at garissa university college. two have been killed. the militant group al shabaab claiming responsibility for the attack. the red cross saying the gunmen have taken an unknown number of hostages though 50 have been freed. kenyan interior ministry saying the militants have been cornered in one building. this from the red cross, this picture of a building collapse. a building under construction behind the mall has collapsed. fire brigade at the scene. we have cnn's soni methu with latest. >> reporter: i believe the two situations are separate at the moment because we are hearing this building in nairobi was under construction. thika road mall is just a drive from the city center. it is a busy area. we heard reports on the ground that two people have been killed and fears that more people could be trapped in the building. this could be workers who were working on the construction. there could be people who also sell food or people working in the area going about their business buying or selling. these are the people feared trapped inside. on the garissa attack the situation is very sensitive according to the police. they cornered attackers in one dormitory, but according to the sources on the ground they fear the attackers cornered the students in one area because now they have hostages and they have the upper arm. we are yet to confirm the number of casualties. two confirmed dead. according to the sources on the ground eyewitnesss interviewed and people on social media claim the death toll could have risen or has risen. some people claim at least eight people have been seen taken to the morgue at hospital. >> still an ongoing situation in terms of the attack on the university. authorities telling us soni they have the attackers cornered, but still a lot of confusion about how many casualties overall. soni thank you for that. i want to bring in robyn kriel. thanks for joining us this morning. they are cornered. this has been going on since 5:00 a.m. local time. you have students living at university and getting up and going to morning prayers. the gun-toting al shabaab militants coming in and firing. what do we know? >> reporter: it has been confirmed that these indeed were members of the al shabaab and have been reading some material and an al shabaab spokesperson has spoken to another news organization saying we killed many people. kenyans will be shocked when they go inside. i suppose they are talking about the final dormitory. also this is a typical al shabaab attack, extremely precise. they will be very well armed. we saw in the westgate attack, they were able to keep an entire mall under siege for hours. we saw other attacks perpetrated by al shabaab that they had weapons like rpgs. we are seeing reports of an explosive devices. we are not sort of what explosive devices. they are the typical weapons of car bombs. we have not seen that. i'm sure police are investigating the vehicles. another specialty is throwing grenades and suicide vests. >> kenyans have fared fighting al shabaab? some say that al shabaab has been diminished in somalia because of kenyan action and this is revenge. how powerful is al shabaab? >> reporter: yes, we have covered al shabaab since it got pushed out of mogadishu. the kenyan force claims the attacks are various soft targets in kenya and nairobi. they killed hundreds of people as a result. the au has managed to push al shabaab from its main hot spots, including kismau. that was a very well known port. most recently where the ugandan forces were forced out of the port. that was the last stronghold or headquarters. that is where they would get weaponry and bomb making materials and revenue from the port. however, with the group like this that is a affilliated with al qaeda, they will get revenue from other sources. they are committed to attacking kenya for being part of the african union force. they commit attacks in somalia on almost a weekly basis. sometimes very bracezen attacks. they enter the most secure area on christmas day in mogadishu and killed people there. the amazon mission in u.n. headquarters. they are still organized. their hit squads are precise. they operate in a very small numbers. they commit terror acts that will make the media broadcast their message. this is just another one of those. >> and what they want is sharia law and radical islam. they want to attack where men and women are learning which fits into the soft target. robyn, thank you for your expertise. happening now, negotiators still struggling to work out a deal curbing iran's nuclear program. back at the table after pulling all nighter in talks in switzerland. the determination to keep talking is a good sign. word is they made significant progress. another good sign. this is not a great sign. the iran's foreign minister publicly calling negotiations with the west always problematic. for the latest let's turn to elise labott at the talks in switzerland. elise. >> reporter: that's right, christine. the negotiators worked all night. they got a few hours rest and showered and about to come back fresh for the talks to resume shortly. even though they are starting again, they are going two days past the deadline there is a lot of uncertainty in the talks. the british and french foreign ministers returned last night. an indication that a deal was coming close. the french foreign minister said we are in the last final meters. those are the most difficult. they are talking about the same sticking points political framework agreement for a longer comprehensive agreement for june. still some sticking points about sanctions and about the amount of research and development that iran could do to the end of the deal. now we are getting into one upsmanship. on the iranian side they are trying to divide the world powers group saying the west, when he talks about west being problematic, he says they are not all on the same page. and the elephant in the room is congress and the deadline. they are using that for the united states to try to force their hand. even though congress is threatening to impose sanctions against iran it seems the u.s. desire to get a deal to show something to congress is a factor. >> elise labott thank you. we are following breaking news all morning long. hundreds of prisoners linked to al qaeda escaping yemen. gunmen storm a university in kenya. students attacked. hostages held. terrorists cornered but an active situation and a grim recovery at the crash site of germanwings flight 9525. as new claims of a video surface. were the final moments on board that plane recorded? we are live with developments on that front next. ounce back ke it used to? new neutrogena hydro boost water gel. with hyaluronic acid it plumps skin cells with intense hydration and locks it in. for supple, hydrated skin. hydro boost. from neutrogena. shopping online... ...is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers carpenters and even piano 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the remains visible to the eye. about 60 workers on-site today. they are collecting personal belongings of the victims of flight 9525. about 20 alpine troops dedicated to that effort. they loaded the personal belongings in bags and choppering the bags out of the site. they are also digging because the impact of the crash was so great that they think parts of the plane as well as human remains may be buried beneath the soil. normally they use sniffer dogs for the process, but the stench of jet fuel is so strong that the dogs are ineffective. they did not collect human remains yesterday, but continuing to look today and continuing to look for the other black box. the missing flight data recorder. that recorder could provide them with valuable clues to the last moments of 9525. they hope they say the entire recovery process, belongings and remains will be finished tomorrow or saturday. the investigation, of course christine, continues. >> erin mclaughlin, thank you. we are following 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this morning, we have breaking news on multiple fronts in yemen. nearly 200 prisoners with links to al qaeda escaped from a prison in the port city of mukalla. a senior official tells cnn that early this morning, dozens of attackers took control of government buildings, including the central prison and central bank and radio station. in kenya, two people dead. 30 hospitalized with gunshot wounds following an attack on garissa university college. the u.s. embassy says al shabaab militants have taken an unknown number of hostages. the red cross of kenya announcing 50 of the hostages have been freed. we will keep you updated on the story as more information comes in. now to iraq. iraqi forces taking back the town of tikrit from isis. ground operations continue this morning to root out lingers insurgents and booby traps and land mines. cnn with the only reporting team on the ground in tikrit when iraqis planted their flag in the heart of the town. the troops are preparing to retake the 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by 2016 plus full and part-time workers will begin to accrue paid time off after a year because before this they could not take a paid day off. there is a catch here. this is going to be giving 90,000 workers a raise. it applies to workers at the 1500 mcdonald's owned restaurants. it does not apply to franchise owned stores or about 90% of mcdonald's locations. there are new perks for all of mcdonald's 750,000 workers. the chain says it will pay for employees to earn high school diplomas and assist with college tuition and cover english language classes. with sales going down happy employees make happy customers. >> a lot of turnover in businesses. when you look at the perks, it speaks to the fact that a lot of people are getting in the low wage jobs and it is their job and career. can they give them some talents and skills they can take on and move up the ladder. thank you. a deadly attack at a university in kenya. students killed by terrorists. hostage situation terror attacks around the world this morning. >> this university is under attack. gunmen wearing military uniforms burst onto the campus. gunmen storm a prison. talks on iran's nuclear program. >> each side blaming the other. >> we are arkansas. >> i've asked that the leaders of the general assembly to recall the bill. >> whether you agree or disagree on gay rights these laws are not the same old same old. >> i choose to be heterosexual. they choose to be homosexual. >> he just started kissing all over my chest. >> did you actually have sex with any of these women? >> announcer: this is "new day," with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning, it is thursday april 2nd 6:00 in the east, we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world, we have "new day." two stories breaking on our watch. masked gunmen storming a university in kenya. explosions and heavy gunfire breaking out, they've been shooting students in this early morning attack. a hostage situation is unfolding at garissa university college. a local media report keeps raising the number of victims. right now over a dozen dead. several dozen injured. the terror group al shabab claiming responsibility. our other top story in yemen. al qaeda militants storming a prison freeing hundreds of inmates. including a senior al qaeda inmate held for years. we have these stories covered the way only cnn can. let's begin with cnn's sony meethu, joining us from nairobi. good morning.
militants have taken responsibility. witnesses say there were more than ten of them wearing outfits resembling military fatigues. at last check, the gunmen were in a firefight with police and troops. cnn's soni methu is live for us in kenya. what's the latest? >> reporter: the details are still very sketchy. the area is cordoned off. difficult for anyone to access the place. a lot of people coming out of the situation, victims, most are in shock and some rushed to hospital. the information is still quite sketchy. it has been over five hours now. there are hostages and police are claiming attackers are in a corner of a dormitory. >> this is still an active situation there at the university correct? >> reporter: yes, it is indeed. from 5:30 in the morning, we have been hearing sporadic gunshots. there was a moment where it died down and a few people were saying the situation could come to a close. however, the situation is still ongoing and unfolding. we don't know how many confirmed dead other than the two that were confirmed around 9:00 in the morning. a lot of people are saying that the death toll could rise or has already risen. we have yet to confirm. we are relying on the red cross and police. the police are being guarded with the information they are giving to the media. >> tell us about the college. the attack started at 5:00 a.m. there would have been teachers and students. it happened before the bell rang for the day of classes. tell us a bit about the university. what do we know? >> reporter: well this is actually a college until recently when it was upgraded to a university. it is the only high institute of learning in the area. it is quite crowded with people from garissa. there are kormdormitories. it happened at 5:30 in the morning and you say the attackers came in some people say six and others up to ten and others say more. they came in and started shooting the guard who was at the main gate of the university. according to the students, there should have been more than one guard at the gate. soon after, another guard on the compound was also shot dead before the gunmen gained control of the compound. some of the students that were able to flee they ran from the dormitories. some are said to be praying, especially the muslims in the school. those able to flee in the early hours of the morning. they say the gunmen had the vantage point and shoot the students fleeing in the compound. then at that point, the police men guarding the dormitories were able to come in and were able to at least fight off the attackers for a while, but the attackers regained control and accessed the dormitories. then the defenses were called in and according to the sources on the ground, the response was swift and area was cordoned off. what we know is garissa is about 150 kilometers from somalia and the border. the area has been a hot spot when it comes to al shabaab attacks since 2011 to date. what conversation is going on in kenya is not just anger about this happening again, but the inability to foil the attacks before it happening. >> thank you for that. excellent reporting for us right there on the ground. i want to bring in robin, the east africa chief in nairobi. i want to discuss the statements that have been brought out. this is #garissaattack. 30 casualties taken to the hospital. casualties have gunshot wounds. hearing from the embassy. we are saddened and angered at the attack at garissa university. our condolences to the families and friends. and our security team has secured garissa university and in the process of flashing out the gunmen. garissa attack. let me ask you a bit about this porous border soni was talking about. al shabaab has claimed responsibility. tell us about the al shabaab impact in that area. >> al shabaab, because of the porousness of the area we have seen al shabaab crossing over when it feels like really into kenya and conducting attacks of this kind. precise military and attacks quickly. they go in and leave and get out. often times with very few of their own being injured in the process. we have seen this along the coastline and in the attacks in lamu where 70 people were killed last year. you saw it in the westgate attack although there were four attackers there and police tell us they were killed in that attack. it is the smaller attacks almost lone wolf to a point. sometimes the military sort of attacks that you think that police can't handle in the border towns as garissa. they need to be dealt with by the military because they have been fighting the bush war against the forces in somalia. they are well armed and dangerous and they have a plan they would follow. what i can tell you is that we understand that there have been sorts of rumors of attacks over a number of days. i could say weeks. the u.s. embassy for a long time has been issuing warnings to its citizens and them to avoid going to public places. the u.k. high commission saying they should not go near the coastline and issuing a warning for around that entire area really. between the border with somalia and kenya. it has been a tenous time. we found a notice that was issued on the 26th of march this year to the university of n nairobi. indicating the al shabaab group is planning attacks and storms in kenya and including a major university. this will be interesting to see how well this particular college is guarded. >> robin, the end goal of al shabaab, in terms of terror attack on the university. attack against education or attack against nairobi? what is the point? >> from what we understand and what we hear is they are separating once again as you saw in westgate they are separating muslims from christians. that's what we are hearing from people who are inside this university. this is indicative it is a terror attack and they are specifically looking at killing christians. again, attacking an educational institution, that is also leading to the idea that this is a fundamentalist group preaching against education. >> robin, thank you so much for that. thank you so much. we will get back to the top story this morning again. also happening, necessitygotiateors struggling to work out a deal for the nuclear program. pulling an all nighter in switzerland. the determination is one good omen. word is they made significant progress. less optimistic signs as well. including the foreign minister calling the issue problematic. let's bring in elise labott with the latest on the talks. >> reporter: good morning, christine. the talks, as you said went all night. broke up a few hours ago. the negotiators went and got rest. they will start again shortly. the british and french foreign ministers who left last night came back overnight. they said the french foreign minister said they are in the finish line. it is the last final yards that are the most problematic. the iranian foreign minister saying that these negotiations are troublesome. why? iran is negotiateing with six countries. they are not united and they have their own interests and the united states has concerns with congress. iranians were putting the onus on the negotiating powers to get their act together. it is the world powers that are saying christine, iran that needs to make the tough decisions. seems they are close, but could be something today. it has been a roller coaster. >> it really has. the issue, too, for the united states is iran's proxies in the middle east are so many tentacles. every action has an equal and open reaction. how do they feel the other issues in the region yemen and others how is that complicating matters? are they just looking at iran's nuclear program? >> reporter: certainly they are mindful of it and their arab allies in the region and prime minister benjamin netanyahu is mindful of it. in the negotiating room they are trying to keep that separate. iran does feel the prowess in the region is expanding in the region. they feel stronger at the negotiation table. iran feels it could have leverage in that way. they are careful not only with yemen, but the syrian civil war and iraq not to bring those issues to the negotiating table. they are clear about trying to keep that separate. i think one of the reasons that the united states is adamant that it wants to deal with iran is because they hope iran will keep with the u.s. and the west on some of the other areas. it is unclear whether the regime really wants that. >> all right. could have a deal. could fall apart. elise labott thank you. we are following breaking news all morning long. gunmen storming a university in kenya. students attacked. it is being called a terrorist attack. new details ahead. plus happening now, a grim recovery at the search site of germanwings flight 9525. were the final moments on board the plane recorded? 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[ male announcer ] don't wait. call today to request your free decision guide and find the aarp medicare supplement plan to go the distance with you. go long. returning to our breaking news. at least two people dead and 30 hospitalized with gunshot wounds following an attack on a university in southeastern kenya. the red cross saying four of the victims are in serious condition. the u.s. embassy says al shabaab has taken responsibility and the militants have taken hostages. this is an active situation at the university. some five hours into the siege. joining us now is cnn's david mckenzie. i want to bring him in to bring context to the story. al shabaab claiming responsibility. al shabaab militants have been known to cross the border some 150 kilometer its away. we have been told david, the al shabaab militants are separating muslims and christians here. tell us more about this group. >> reporter: well this is a group that is drastically reduced in terms of its power, christine. used to run large parts of neighboring somalia. since kenya moved into the country in 2011 al shabaab has promised to strike at kenya and kenyan targets. they have done so often. the most infamous the hideous attack on the westgate mall in 2013. if you look at the video based on the information i am seeing, it is similar strategy. go in with several gunmen and takeover parts of the installation and hunker down and create panic for the longest period of time. the police and military have been criticized with how they deal with terrorist attacks because of lack of coordination. this is not the only attack in recent times in kenya. there have been several hideous attacks on civilian targets in the region of kenya. if you say there is a possibility, they are separating muslims and christians this has been done before. a terrible attack on a bus and they pulled people off the public transport and tried to get people to recite a part of the koran. if they could not, they were executed on the spot. al shabaab wants to create panic. in kenya, they want to destabilize the region. they had bigger aspirations, but now they are more desperate which is working in isis-like terror situation. >> isis-like terror situations with similar goals. they want to brand their terms. david, thank you. we are still following the story. it is an active situation. authorities on the ground and reporters on the ground saying there may still be hostages and militants cornered in the university dormitory. we will continue to follow. 18 minutes past the hour. if there truly is an authentic video from inside germanwings flight 9525 and the final moments, it hasn't surfaced publicly yet. french police believe it doesn't exist. prosecutors say if it does whoever does should surrender it. listen to the interview telling wolf blitzer he watched it with his own eyes. >> what is the most impressive in this short video is the sounds and noise. the deep impact is that noise of people screaming and screaming again. >> how many times, frederick, have you watched the video? >> maybe about 100 times. >> search crews in the french alps going through the wreckage of flight 9525. i want to get the latest from cnn correspondent frederik pleitgen in dusseldorf germany. good morning, fred. >> reporter: good morning. it seems as though the crews in the french alps are making a lot better progress now that the access road has been built. they put out that video yesterday where they showed the rescue crew was some larger pieces of the fuselage. we know they have not been finding human remains in the past 24 hours, but continuing to search. meanwhile, lufthansa is under pressure globally to give more context as to what it actually knew about andreas lubitz the copilot who steered the plane into the side of the mountain. what they knew about his medical record. they came out two days ago and said he did write an e-mail to the flight school saying he suffered from a bout of heavy depression. however, it is unclear when they actually knew that and what they did afterwards. the gist we are getting from lufthansa is he said all this and took time off from pilot training and then, however, was recertified after medical evaluation and he was indeed able to continue training. we learned years later, he was suffering from mental problems and seeing several doctors and did not disclose to the airlines. they are under pressure to provide more information as to how that process actually worked at that point in time. meanwhile, as far as the video is concerned, the publication of germany is standing by the reporting saying they did see the video. they don't say they are in possession of it. you are right, the french authorities are calling this into question. it seems as though however, we are getting mixed messages from the french prosecutor. the reports are unfounded and if the video exists. there is a statement by french authorities say they did recover parts of cell phones. those have not been sent to a lab yet. at no point were the videos if there are any, part of the investigation. >> you think, fred if this is an eight or ten-minute deal of the flight with the pilot banging to get into the cockpit, someone on the plane had a cell phone. multiple people could have been recording things. >> reporter: absolutely. you would think that people would probably do that. now a days with any disaster you have you have some form of cell phone video. the big problem is we know that plane plowed into the mountain at a high speed. remember the people who were dealing with this disaster in the early hours said the plane literally had been open litbliterated. the theory is someone got cell phone coverage and may have e-mailed the video. that seems highly unlikely. we will have to see as the investigation goes on. >> painful for the families to hear what that last moment could have been light frederik pleitgen in dusseldorf. gunmen storming a university in kenya. students attacked. plus an exclusive journey in the war on isis. going into the town of tikrit. our arwa damon was there. she joins us live next. t o? 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"early start" continues now. >> announcer: this is cnn's breaking news. breaking news this morning. gunmen storm university in kenya. you have gunmen who say they are from al shabaab, from nearby somalia. storming university in kenya. attacks against students here shots fired. an active situation. welcome back. i'm christine romans. welcome back to "early start." welcome to our viewers in the u.s. and around the world. let's start with the breaking news. gunmen taking hostages in southeastern kenya. the red cross says at least 30 people wounded at garissa university college. four seriously. the militant group al shabaab claiming responsibility for the tacks. the gunmen have taken an unknown number of hostages though all 50 have been freed. the militants are now cornered in one building. i want to go right now to robin kriel. she is the east bureau chief in nairobi. i want to tell you what the red cross has been reporting and tweeting. they are talking about the attack. the red cross saying in a tweet that 30 casualties have been taken to the hospital. four are serious. a majority of the casualties have gunshot wounds. this from the u.s. embassy in nairobi, we are saddened and angered by the attack at garissa university. our deepest con dolldolencescondolences. a security team has secured the university in the process of flushing out the gunmen. robin, give us a sense of why the university may have been a target for al shabaab. >> it is very close to the border with somalia. a porous border has been proven time and time again with an attacks that would indicate al shabaab and militants or various arms of al shabaab are able to cross over with impunity. we have seen it in the attacks which occurred last year killing 70 people and the way they are able to cross over with what is obviously a lot of arms and sometimes heavy armory in terms of rocket-propelled grenade. they are military style. they know what they are going to hit. it has obviously been preplanned and a tremendous amount of intelligence scoping out the place and the best time to attack would be. they attacked at 5:30 in the morning. from what i understand a lot of students going to morning prayers at that time. this is a heavily muslim population that lives in the particular town. it is close to the somali border. they have been reporting they are separating christians from muslims. this if that is true that lines up with other attacks where they separated the muslims from the christians and executed the christians as well in westgate where muslims and children were allowed to leave and christians an adults had to stay. >> our david mckenzie has been reporting that al shabaab has been diminished in the weeks and it is increasingly desperate. this may be retaliation in the borders. retaliation for the kenyan government and kenyan forces fighting al shabaab in somalia. is that true? >> indeed. we have only seen these attacks since the kenyan defense force sent troops to fight al shabaab to fight alongside african forces who have been fighting since late 2000. these sorts of attacks began once it sends troops across the border. as david reported they have been cornered. making tremendous head way over the last few areas. they forced them out of mogadishu. they joined the ugandans and the kdf came up from the south. this is cornered al shabaab and the number of ports which was seize the last october which cut off supplies of weapons and foreign fighters and bomb making materials. everything that including revenue. everything groups need to exist. they scatter and regroup. they happen to be regrouping and it looks like they are regrouping by the border. they have fought from the bush for nearly a decade. they are able to cross over and attack institutions. >> they are acting like a military group, but not attacking military installations. they are attacking a university here. young people asleep and getting ready to go to morning prayers. that speaks volumes about the isis-style philosophy of what this group wants. >> it's really before the islamic state became a factor in these sorts of attacks. al shabaab has been on the forefront with affiliation with al qaeda in the same sorts of attacks. wanting to institute sharia law and not wanting women to have education, or if they do have education, strict education. and want people to live a certain type of lifestyle which kenyans do not wish to live. there is a democratic government here. in terms of likening it to isis we have understood low level chatter with al shabaab and islamic state. none leadership has come forward. none of the leadership has come forward and that has not been proven that the two will amalgamate. >> i want to get your reaction of the new information. of the four hostels have been evacuated evacuated. the operations continue. by hostels, i assume they mean dormitories? >> yes. there are about 500 students at the university. if the hostel is full it could be up to 100 civilians in there with how many attackers in there. we heard from a witnesses they have been getting calls from people calling their sons et cetera calling their families hiding under beds saying they can hear the attacks happening, but they have to get off the phone. obviously this is a traumatic time. i remember during westgate i lived close to westgate. you could hear the gunshots and screaming of people caught inside. it has to be awful. garissa is a small town for the residents listening to this unfold and not knowing what is going on. >> it is still an active situation. the interior minister saying they have the gunmen cornered. students clearly terrified on the campus. we will continue to monitor that. thank you, robyn kriel for your expertise on al shabaab and what is happening there in southeastern kenya. 37 minutes past the hour. happening this morning necessitygotiateors still struggling to reach a deal on the iran nuclear program. their determination to keep talking is one good sign. word from negotiators is quote, they made good progress but less optimistic signs including the iran foreign minister calling the issue with the west problematic. let's turn to elise labott with the latest on the talks. >> reporter: the talks, as you said went all night and broke up a few hours ago. negotiators went to get rest and they will start again shortly. the british and french foreign minister s who left last night came back overnight. the french foreign minister said they are in the finish line but it is the last final yards that are the most problematic. the iranian foreign minister saying the negotiations are troublesome. sometimes they are not united and they have their own interests and united states has concern was congress. some iranians were putting the onus to get their act together. this is the world powers that are saying iran needs to make the tough decisions. it seems they are close. could be something today. again, it could fall apart. it is a roller coaster. >> elise labott thank you for bringing that to us. i'm sure that will continue. speaking of roller coasters happening now, indiana lawmakers hours away from announcing a deal to quote fix the state religious freedom law. the law drawing intense fire from leaders across the country. they call it a license to discriminate. other leaders in other states threatening to boycott indiana. the lawmakers are set to release a new deal this morning to fix the law. hours of closed-door meetings and optimistic for a deal. >> we hope to have it completely resolved tomorrow. it takes hard work and discussion. we are actively talking not just with the governor but members of the corporate and sports community. i had a couple of meetings with lgbt folks. we are moving in the right direction to clarify and preserve religious freedom and dispel the myth this denies service. >> the indiana lawmaker would not say what is in the bill but it will not include repeal of the religious freedom law or broad ban on and on anti-discrimination. lawmakers furiously working to change their religious freedom bill. asa hutchinson will not sign the bill. cnn's victor blackwell has more from little rock. >> reporter: christine, one described it as acrobatics. there were lots of maneuvers. the state senate passed a new religious freedom bill and it goes on to the house. this new bill at least the senate believes has the language that governor hutchinss hutchinson was looking for. the original bill that was sent to him did not have that language. he asked the state assembly to recall the bill and put that language in. that was a surprise because up to this point, the governor said he was going to sign the bill. was it the pressure from the business community? walmart? the largest private employer in the state? 50,000 employees. or the governor's son, seth telling his father he should veto it. the governor said that he listened to both of the opinions and took those into consideration. >> my responsibility is to speak out on my own convictions and to do what i can as governor to make sure this bill reflects the values of the people of arkansas protects those of religious conscience but minimizes the chance of discrimination in the workplace and in the public environment. >> reporter: we do not know if walmart, if seth hutchinson or other people who criticized the bill 1228 are going to be happy with the new bill. we do know that the wheels are in motion possibly to get this passed today or tomorrow before the session ends. christine. >> victor thank you for that. more businesses are taking action in indiana. let's bring in alison kosik. alison. >> this is action. the software company is helping its employees move out of indiana. sales force is reducing investments in the state because of the religious freedom law. now the ceo says employees are asking for transfers and he is saying yes and paying $50,000 for relocation package. he says he doesn't want sales force employees to feel discriminated against. >> he is already seeing no gays allowed signs. is that the case? >> take for example the pizza place in indiana. they are using the law to refuse service. >> if a gay couple was to come in say they wanted us to provide them pizzas for a wedding, we would have to say no. >> they say they would serve a gay couple pizza, they would not be involved in a wedding. i don't remember the last wedding i went to where there was pizza. >> a moment of levity in a very serious story. very interesting, know how this has, although the state says it will fix it it is happening. the fallout is happening and still happening despite the fix. thank you. we are following the breaking news. a gunman storming a university in kenya. students attacked. new details ahead. plus were the final moments on board germanwings flight 9525 recorded? the new claims next. i'm caridee. i've had moderate to severe plaque psoriasis most my life. but that hasn't stopped me from modeling. my doctor told 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livewatch.com. if there truly is an authentic video from inside germanwings in the final moments, it has not surfaced publicly yet. french police believe it does not exist at all. if it does whoever has it better surrender it now. meanwhile, crews in the french alps are going through the debris of flight 9525. we have erin mclaughlin with us live in lausanne. >> reporter: so far, french authorities are saying it doesn't exist. meanwhile, the recovery work at times painstaking and emotional continues here in the french alps. authorities say they are making good progress. they say they managed to recover all of the human remains visible to the eye. the priority for the recovery workers today being twofold. they are continuing to try to collect the personal effects of the victims, the personal belongings. the team of some 20 french alpine troops dedicated to the effort. they are taking the belongings and loading them in bags and choppering them out of the area. the other priority christine, is to continue to dig because the impact of the plane crash was so intense that authorities here think there are actually human remains possibly and plane parts buried beneath the soil. they did not manage to find any human remains yesterday, but they continue to look. they say they cannot use dogs because the stench of jet fuel is so intense the dogs are ineffective. they are also continuing to dig for the flight recorder to give them valuable clues as to how the plane was flown in the last moments. >> erin when i look at the it pictures of the rescue workers, i think it is a valiant effort from them. and the families when you think of the impact of the crash and the site of the beautiful french alps is always the burial place of their loved ones. >> reporter: absolutely. and this easter weekend, we are expecting more family and friends to arrive here in the area. you see someone there perhaps a local resident leaving flowers right now. that stone dedicated to the victims of flight 9525. the families have been very welcome here. locals opening up their homes. they have care centers for them. residents say they will always be welcome here. >> erin mclaughlin, thank you so much for your reporting. we are following breaking news. gunmen storming a university in kenya with students attacked. terrorists are claiming responsibility. this is still an active situation. we are told these terrorists have been cornered. we will bring you the latest next. returning to our breaking news this morning. at least two people dead and 30 hospitalized following an attack in southeastern kenya. the militants have taken hostages. the number of hostages is unknown according to the red cross. at least 50 have been set free. i want to get the latest from the kenyan red cross. plans are underway to air lift casualties to nairobi. we heard this from the interior ministry of the four hostels, three have been evacuated. the attackers have been cornered. the operations continue. let's bring in david mckenzie. he has a lot of context on this story here. david, this still an active situation. i want to be clear here. the gunmen came in just early hours, 5:00 a.m. in the morning local time as young people were leaving to get ready for morning prayers. what do we know? >> reporter: that's right, christine. what we know is this is a planned operation by al shabaab storming into that university in northeast kenya. it seems they are doing their classic and horrifying style of attack they have been doing in recent years. most notably in the westgate mall attack that garnered attention in 2013. this is the nightmare scenario for the forces. attackers appeared to cornered hostages and they can prolong their terror operation. they can prolong it and get more attention. this is clearly their goal to strike terror into kenya and garner world attention. al shabaab used to be a more powerful force. it controlled large parts of somalia and trying to set up islamic state there. due to african union troops in the region they have been beaten beaten back. with the ability to strike this terror and this is not the first attack in recent months, they have been doing a number of grenade and gun attacks, they are showing the forces as well as the terror they can strike into civilians. >> david, stay can us. we have new information we are following every development in the university attack. "early start" continues next. rning. gunmen storming a university in kenya. at least 30 injured. gunshots going off like fireworks and an active situation right now. we are live with the very latest developments. good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm christine romans. it is thursday april 2nd. we welcome our viewers. breaking news this morning. al shabaab
two-thirds they'll have 6,000 left after they had 19,500. it reduces their enriched uranium stockpile. meaning it extends the breakout time that iran won't have enough fissile material to build a bomb for about a year. and then it also lifts sanctions against iran in phases. think the deal has a lot more than me and my colleagues thought it was going to be in it when we were following this all week. but as we say, the devil is in the details. now negotiators have to hammer out a deal before june. i sat down with secretary of state john kerry yesterday and i asked him what happens, because iran's name is not on this actual deal. it's a fact sheet that the u.s. put out. what happenes if iran tries to back-pedal and open up the negotiations again and say they didn't agree to any of that? let's take a listen. >> then they don't get an agreement. look. we're very clear about where we are. >> if they try it renegotiate, you'll end? you won't give them an agreement? >> we're not -- we've agreed and we're not going to renegotiate things we've been very clear about that. >> now john kerry and energy secretary monese who was also in the negotiations have to make the hard sell to congress now, that they can make this a good deal for the united states for israel for all parties involved. that's going to be a hard sell. congress is looking for a say in this deal. it looks like they have a veto-proof majority to make that happen. chris? >> all right. it's going to be a question of whether or not did they just agree or did they agree to agree. there's no question president obama is facing an uphill battle to sell this iran framework to a very skeptical and as elise said divided congress. so let's bring in cnn national correspondent sunlen serfaty joining us from the white house with that part of the story. the president doesn't have to go to congress to get a deal like this done it could be done by the executive. but with sanctions hanging in the balance. practically he must yes? >> that's what the white house believes. but congress is going to challenge the president on this. there's already a series of defiant bills ready and lined up on capitol hill for him. republicans are saying that this bill this deal has too many concessions to iran. and republicans saying that. but democrats meanwhile, they're saying, they're giving tepid responses at best. now congress is back from recess in two weeks. it is then when senate foreign relations chair, republican bob corker says he will move forward with his bill. this is a bill that has already elicited a veto threat from the white house. it's a bill that ultimately if they're able to get a veto-proof majority it would give congress the ability to approve or reject any final bill. now key here will of course be senate democrats, will they defy the president on this? some have already signed on to the bill. the white house has said that will undercut their negotiating ability at the table. and president obama gave a stern warning to congress. >> if congress kills this deal not based on expert analysis and without offering any reasonable alternative, then it's the united states that will be blamed for the failure of diplomacy. international unity will collapse. and the path to conflict will widen. >> and the white house has promised that there will be briefings to congress. they promise high-level engagement to congress. but congress does want more than that. they want a final and formal say in the deal. michaela? >> despite the hard sell from the white house, israel still isn't buying. prime minister benjamin netanyahu has been against the iran nuclear deal from the start. using his strongest language yet to condemn it. i want to turn to oren lieberman, live in jerusalem with reaction there. >> netanyahu has been critical of the deal since the beginning and his language has only gotten stronger. in conversation with president obama in which the president tried to reassure netanyahu that israel security was very much in this deal netanyahu said that this deal increases the risk of a quote horrific war. horrific war, some very powerful language coming from netanyahu. he criticized what's in the deal and not in the deal. netanyahu wanted to make sure the deal didn't limit or change iran's nuclear facilities but dismantle them take them apart. netanyahu says the deal doesn't do that. he said he wanted to see the deal tied to lifting of restrictions to iran pulling back its aggression in the region. there again, netanyahu's government says the deal doesn't do that. so what will netanyahu do now? we expect a statement from him shortly. he called an emergency cabinet meeting this afternoon. to we expect a statement coming out of that shortly. remember house speaker boehner was here senator mitch mcconnell is here working closely with congressional republicans to lobby against the deal. we'll see more from that perhaps. chris, certainly worth noting that intelligence minister has not ruled out the military option here. >> look everybody is keeping their options on the table. the question becomes is the deal better than no deal? thank you for the reporting. let's get perspective from someone who understands the situation, the phone right now, former secretary of state madeline yaleeine albright an ambassador to the united nations. she's the chairman of the albright stone bridge group. good to have you on the phone. is this an acceptable framework, madam secretary? >> i've been looking through it and following this very closely. -day think it's even more than an acceptable framework. it has done a lot of what people were demanding. in terms of the two-thirds of the installed centrifuges have to be reduced. there is a way that iran has agreed not to enrich uranium over a low level for at least 15 years. it's agreed to reduce its current stockpile. i won't go through all the details of this. but it really has done an awful lot. the key part here that i think is so important, is the inspection system that is set up for iaea. everything has to be verified. and the sanctions, are dependant or the removal of them on that verification and i think that what it has done is in fact increase the breakout time for iran to go forward, if they did feel that they wanted to produce a weapon. so i think it has done what was promised. now we are going to be looking at the details as the framework is not enlarged but followed out in terms of the details of it. >> now a framework is not a deal itself. everybody should understand that. and there's a big chance that not iran but the u.s. congress may upset this process. how important is it to you, that a deal gets done? how strong a message do you want to send about that? >> i think it's absolutely essential. because this is one of the issues that has troubled everybody in terms of nuclear power here. in that particular area. the capability to do a bomb. i do think that this is an essential deal it is a good deal as we see it now. and i do think, i obviously have always believed that congress should have a voice in talking about foreign policy. but i think people have to be very careful not to undo something that has been worked on so carefully by experts. who are going to be very willing to come up and explain this to members of congress. and i think that one has to be careful not to unravel something that has been so carefully designed. and as secretary kerry said and the president has said basically nothing is agreed until everything is agreed. so the next months are going to be very important. >> madam secretary quickly what do you make of the paranoia or suspicion that iran is just playing the p5+1 and using this nuclear negotiation to garner some softness in the other areas that matter to them. like what they're doing in yemen. what they're doing in syria, what they're doing in iraq. and that they don't really have to agree to anything here they're just buying time. >> i don't agree with that. i think obviously negotiations take time. but there are so much issues that involve our having a relationship with iran we haven't had one since 1979. and developing that and then working on the other issues. there's no question that what iran is doing in the region is very serious. and has to be dealt with. but i think that having this framework agreement in place will make that more possible. and that we obviously can't forget about the other parts, but we also i think have to be really careful in terms of having the option of force on the table. but not threatening it to such a point. that things could get even worse in the middle east. >> secretary of state madeleine albright thank you very much for the help as always. let's turn now to hilary mann leverett the author of "going to iran." she's a former clinton and bush national security council adviser and a state department middle east expert. she's directly negotiated with iran over the pursuit of al qaeda. so always good to have you on the show. you understand the dynamic there very well. the major push-back that we'll start hearing starting this morning is -- you don't do a deal with the devil. >> yeah. we're certainly going to hear that. and i think that these talks are fragile. this interim agreement, this understanding is fragile. it's going to be an extremely tough road ahead. but i have negotiated with iranian officials, including the current foreign minister zarif, over afghanistan and al qaeda. and those were incredibly productive constructive negotiations and discussions. we worked very well with them in afghanistan. the iranians are one ally in the region that see eye to eye with us against al qaeda and the islamic state. we're working with them essentially hand in hand in iraq against the islamic state. as we did in afghanistan against al qaeda. so there are areas where we have worked with them productively constructively in the past and i think this nuclear deal shows that we can also work with them constructively on proliferation, nonproliferation issues. >> you used the word ally in iran, you don't hear that very often around here. >> that's right. >> another point of push p-back will be moment you let up on the sanctions, they are going to go to town and get everything that they wanted. they're going do show that they're stronger than the u.s. and the p5+1. and you'll never get the inspections right. >> you know what's so fascinating about the islamic republic of iran, they've built an economy, a country, a system over the past 35 years that is really in a lots of ways self-sufficient. when they had the revolution in 1979 they were completely dependant on the u.s. military. they couldn't produce a single bullet. but what they've done under sanctions, on their own, is build up military industrial complex, which can protect their country. so the idea that sanctions somehow dissuades them just defies the record. when i first started arguing within the bush administration that we needed to deal with iranians on the nuclear issue back in 2003, the iranians had 164 centrifuges. as we imposed more and more sanctions, they were able to acquire more and more centrifuges. today they have nearly 20,000 that's up from 164 to 20,000. they did that under sanctions. the idea that lifting sanctions is going to let them do x or y or z just defies the record. >> or that extra sanctions will be what puts a foot on their throat so to speak. you're saying it may not have the teeth that people expect. the last point that i want you to make here on this deal in the early stage is that congress is going to say, no way, we're not giving it to you, mr. president, we're going to use these sanctions effectively to frustrate your efforts in this deal unless we're brought on board. as a policy expert in dealing with congress do you think that congress has a right to approve this deal? what-day do you think the proper legal dynamic is here? >> the constitution sets up that diplomacy is entirely within the realm of the executive. but congress does an oversight role. especially because so many of the sanctions were legislated. so they're entirely within congress's role. but the critical problem here is for president obama to make the strategic sell. if he focuses on it just as an arms control agreement, my concern is that it will die on the vine just like president carter's salt ii treaty with the soviets over their strategic arsenal. we've seen failure before. we could see failure again if it's a narrow arms control issue. if there's a broader strategic case like nixon and kissinger vis-a-vis china, i think that will sell. but president obama has been extremely reluctant to make that strategic case. and instead, he seems to be going down the path potentially of president carter where he's dependant on a congress to okay an arms control agreement which they may, there may not be any arms control agreement with iran that would be good enough for them. >> well if the president is dependant on congress, history of his presidency shows the prospects are not good, we'll keep a close eye on it hilary mann leverett thank you as always. in kenya, a massive search is on for a key suspect in thursday's horrifying massacre. at a university in kenya. al shabab terrorists raiding the campus targeting nonmuslims and executing them. 147 students are dead. we're told there are still bodies on the school ground. we're going to have more for you coming up on that. we have a live reporter on the ground. we'll talk to him about the scene today. we understand the university has been closed indefinitely. we'll talk to him. we're going to take a short break. >> this morning it's been just over 24 hours. since al shabab gun men terrorized this university in kenya. now with at least 147 dead and nearly 600 evacuated, the community of garissa in complete agony. the massacre beginning just before dawn on thursday. the terrorists descending on early-morning prayers reportedly separating muslims from christians. and killing the christians or taking them hostage. >> they started jumping up and down running for their lives, it's unfortunate where they are going to is where the gunshots were coming from. >> the gunmen then going dormitory to dormitory. before kenyan forces eventually corner them. a standoff lasting for hours, finally at around 9:00 p.m. officials announce the end of the operation. >> garissa kenya. >> we're going to be giving you the latest information as we get it. what's going on in kenya as michaela was telling you, there's still bodies on the ground it's a very fluid situation. we still don't know exactly what the numbers were involved. either for the victims or on the attackers. as soon as we get our communications up there and get better reporting, we'll be back to it. we have breaking news for you in the investigation into the crash of germanwings flight 9525. the second black box has been found. and has been downloaded and it does seem to confirm that the co-pilot purposely accelerated the plane's descent, slamming it into a mountain in the french alps. as investigators make a disturbing find as well on andreas lubitz' tablet device cnn's will ripley zwroinsjoins us live from dusseldorf germany. it's intriguing understanding the planning that went into this horrible situation, will. >> the information on the tablet crucial for investigators. because european official is telling us it essentially proves the theory that this is pre premeditated murder. premeditated murder of 149 innocent people. breaking just within the last hour the insights from the flight data recorder recovered in the french alps. it was buried in eight inches of debris because of the force of the impact. and now the data recorder shows that andreas lubitz changed the auto pilot settings bringing the plane down he set it for 100 feet a collision course with the mountain range. and at the same time he was manually increasing the speed to make sure that that plane hit the mountain completely obliterating it. very disturbing and the evidence that was seized from his apartment reveals more insight about what he was planning. appalling new insights into the disturbed mind of germanwings co-pilot andreas lubitz. a tablet seized from lubitz' home contained chilling internet searches he allegedly made the week leading up to the crash. prosecutors found search terms relating to methods to commit suicide. cockpit doors, and their security measures. all which investigators say amounts to premeditated murder. >> lot of pilots don't know exactly how to turn that lock off, so it may have been that he was looking it up to make sure he understood how to keep the pilot out. >> new details continue to emerge about lubitz' rapidly deteriorating psychological health. law enforcement source close to the investigation said lubitz suffered severe depression and stress late last year. he was doctor-shopping, seeing as many as six for ongoing sleep and vision problems. lubitz was even prescribed heavy depression medication. the source believes he was not taking the day of the crash. >> medications that are treating depression sometimes they can make someone sleepy. they can be a sedating but they can also have nearly the opposite effect. it can sort of make them become more on the sort of manic side of things. >> he apparently told some doctors he was fearful of losing his pilot license because of his medical issues. a potentially key motive for the deadly crash. and this morning, michaela as information continues to come in it becomes more and more clear that this was a deliberate act on the part of andreas lubitz. the one key question remains unanswered and that is why did he do this. michaela? >> something we may never fully understand. all right, will thank you so much for that reporting. we turn back here in america, two women in new york charged with planning an isis-inspired bomb plot. authorities say one woman had repeated contact with members of al qaeda in the arabian peninsula. we're told they planned to target police military or government sites. in the meantime an american citizen accused of supporting al qaeda detained in pakistan and secretly flown back to new york to face a judge. that 29-year-old allegedly plotted to attack americans abroad. lawmakers in indiana and arkansas swiftly approving fixes that aim to remove the risk of using religious freedom laws to defend discrimination. neither state gave lgbt advocates what they want which is protection as a class. under state law. now indiana added to its existing bill and arkansas passed a narrower version of its original bill which now is virtually identical to the religious freedom law that the federal government has. >> this is a story that almost defies understanding. and emotional reunion for a family who feared it may never happen. 37-year-old louis jordan left a virginia hospital a day after his remarkable rescue at sea. when asked if he ever lost hope jordan said he couldn't think like that. because of his family. >> most valuable thing we have are our relationships and those we love. and how we treat other people. that's what makes us precious. that's what makes people precious and valuable. is that we care for each other and we love each other and we live our love. >> so the back story for those of you that may have missed it jordan had been missing for 66 days spotted in his disabled sailboat by a passing cargo ship about 200 miles off the coast of north carolina he was medivac'd by the coast guard to the hospital. what's remarkable chris, is that he only had a shoulder injury but otherwise was okay. he apparently rationed his food. he said then he ate raw fish and drank rainwater in order to survive. >> it sounds like a movie. like part of the "unbroken" movie that came out about zamperini. i can't believe, imagine what goes through your mind for two months. >> survive. 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shabab al qaeda-linked militant group. al shabab especially in the juba region that's the border really between kenya and somalia. he has been wanted for a long time in connection with a number of other bloody murders in especially in the case of a quarry massacre as it were where about 30 miners were shot dead in their sleep. he has been wanted by kenyan authorities for a long time. they've now upped the price on his head. >> i understand there was a gret against this university by al shabab in december. was it your sense, was it from the same subsect at al shabab. was there anyone doing at the university to make it safer for the students in the time before the attack? >> there's been a number of threats throughout nairobi, mum bassa bassa and focusing on tertiary indications which would be essentially soft targets, it's not like they're going to be hitting an embassy that would be heavily fortified. it would just be a few unarmed security guards we haven't known if they did up their security back in december. but it certainly sounds like there wasn't much security definitely not one that any that could withstand the well-armed militaryic group that ambushed the university yesterday morning. >> you wrote an article last week about fears that al shabab may be on the verge of joining up with isis. tell us more about that. you've talked about the threats that are there in the country and around the region. >> well on the top levels the leadership levels that's really been refuted as it were. al shabab leadership we're told from the highest levels is not interested in joining the islamic state. however, we understand that the lower levels of al shabab. the younger sort of young lions as they call themselves enjoy the way the islamic state portrays itself. it's flashy flashy videos extremely brutal. the way that it's able to attract foreigners online. those sorts of things are quite interesting to the younger, the younger erer factions of al shabab. there's been a number of skirmishes between certain groups some who believe they should join isis others who believe they should remain loyal to al qaeda. we understand that the elders will make the final call. and the final call at the moment to remain affiliated with al qaeda. >> african union and kenyan forces were said to have felt confident that they were close to eradicating al shabab within kenya. this has to be seen as a major setback. did they underestimate the group's power? >> all of these attacks i believe are underestimating the power of al shabab to strike. almost at will. both at home in somalia and next door here in kenya and in 2010. we saw they struck in campala as well. these attacks, extremely militarily precise, they come very well armed. and they're attacking targets where a policeman may have only seven bullets or an unarmed security guards places like malls, people that cannot shoot back. they're aiming for civilians and don't care if they die in the process. this is an 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a staggering 147, most of them students. this desperate search now continues for a key suspect. in fact a reward of more than $200,000 being issued for information leading to mohammed mohammed's arrest. >> u.s. navy warship standing guard in the waters off yemen. they're keeping an eye out for suspicious activity in the region. including weapon shipments from iran to the houthi rebels they're backing those guys in that region. this as the militants storm the presidential palace in aden thursday, following heavy fighting. yemen's president fled to saudi arabia last month after rebel forces advanced on the city. warmer temperatures finally. however, also the potential for severe storms today in the south and central states. so much for rebirth and renewal. mr. chad myers on this easter weekend. i wore flip flops today. what are you trying to tell me? >> me too. >> really? did you get a pedicure chris? >> he did not, let me tell you that for the record. >> it's been a long winter, chad. 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the consensus became that these laws needed to be fixed? >> well i can hardly hear the debate over the sound of thomas jefferson rolling in his grave. because the very fact that religious freedom would be this sort of divisive culture war issue this week is really troubling. it ought to be troubling for all americans, not just for people like me a conservative evangelical. the laws as they were initially articulated in indiana and in arkansas were not discriminatory. and the language that was being used against them was simply a false narrative. now, arkansas i think got it right. the arkansas bill is good. and it protects religious exercise in a helpful way. indiana, on the other hand is a train wreck. the indiana bill is i think even worse than what the situation was without any rfra protection. >> how could it be worse, when under federal law, as it is and under state law as it is in just about every state, actually i believe every state, if you go after an exercise of someone's religion you're going to lose in court. it is one of the most protected freedoms that we have. >> that's simply not true. >> how so? >> people lose in court over the exercise of their religion all the time. this happened with a photographer in new mexico who had conscientious objections to photographing a same-sex marriage. lost in court. >> because it wasn't deemed a legitimate exercise of religion. it was deemed she doesn't like gays. >> well no that's not what was happening. what was happening the court said that in balancing these things they felt there was a compelling interest to compel her to do this. >> which was? >> all of that these religious freedom bill does is say we have to balance religious conviction over against government interests. and the government has to prove why they have a reason to pave over someone's conscience in the sake of the public good. >> right, but it's always been that way. it's always been put to strict scrutiny. >> no it's not. the reason why we have a religious freedom restoration act at the national level, is because the supreme court eviscerated that balancing test. that's why we needed it and that's why we had a broad consensus from the far left to the far right to say we need to respect religious conviction in this country. >> no the reason we have the federal law from 1993 is because of what we saw in supreme court precedent required by the court, for a law to be passed to protect discreet religious minority practices. like the use of peyote ritually by native americans, even though it would be captured as a narcotic otherwise. that's not what these laws were motivated by or -- >> of course it is. >> if you're right, then why did they change them? >> the laws are motivated to say, the religious conviction isn't up for majority vote and that everybody ought to have a hearing and a day in court. religious freedom laws don't give anyone a card in order to win in court. it's simply says that the government has to have a certain standard. >> but that is exactly the criticism that wound up changing the indiana law. the proof is not in the pudding in this case, it's in the humble pie. because the indiana lawmakers had to change the law. why were did they change it? >> the criticism of the indiana law was based upon a willful misrepresentation of the indiana law. >> by? >> in a way that's unprecedented in the american history. it ought to bother progressives as well as conservatives. several years ago when it was really popular for someone on the right to say that we ought to zone mosques out of existence or deport muslims from this country, there were many of us who said -- no. that is we need to stand up and protect the religious consciences, even of muslims with whom i would disagree religiously. now we have the same thing -- >> that wasn't about religious conscience that may have been religious conscious to you in rejecting it. that was about a zenophobia. >> that wasn't about -- >> of course it is that's what i'm saying is the state should not come in and use its power to zone mosques out of existence. nor should the state come in and say, we're not going to take into consideration your religious convictions at all when we force you and compel you into commerce. in some way or other. >> mr. moore, my question to you is this -- why hide from the obvious motivations that were behind this law. is it a coincidence, that i'm talking to you, a christian conservative? is it a coincidence that the supporters of these bills, that the signing and thereafter were christian conservatives who have well-known agendas to try to stop and frustrate the lgbt movement? why do you ignore that aspect of this? and say, well it's about muslims and it's about protecting nuns from buying insurance. >> because it is. look at all the cases we've been dealing with. it is about nuns being forced to buy insurance. it is about people who are being forced not to wear hijabs in their workplaces, it's about 1,000 situations of unpopular decisions in christians and jews and muslims and others and saying that the government shouldn't force religious conviction out of the way at the point of a sword. that's what this is all about. the reason why you have conservatives standing here without progressives is because progressives who used to be part of this coalition have suddenly disappeared and have become frightened away for standing up for religious freedom. because they believe in they believe in things that they think matter more. >> like equal protection of people under the constitution. >> untrammelled sexual freedom that trumping every other -- >> up trampled sexual freedom? >> yes. >> lgbt people that's who they are, this is not about sexual freedom. this is an identity. >> and people who have religious convictions that could say, i don't want to be forced to participate in something that would violate my conscience that's who we are, too. >> you can have your religion but you can't make it will rule for everybody else. that's where you get -- >> my muslim friend may not want may not want to provide pork barbeque for my church potluck as a caterer. i shouldn't have the power of the government to force him to do that. >> you wouldn't have it in that case and you know it. it's about whether or not you want to recognize a gay marriage. you think it's a sin. you don't want to do it. >> that's exactly right. >> but if it's the law of the land you have to. >> that's a decision that he and i ought to make. >> it's no the a pork sandwich when you're trying to deny the fairness under law to an entire class of people. it's not about a pork sandwich. >> nobody is trying to deny fairness under the law. >> we've heard from several sources on this who want to be honest which is rare commodity these days that when and if indiana passes this state law, that allows for same-sex marriage this law would be a way to give you a defense against participating in what certain christians see as a sin. that this law would have allowed them to do that. first of all, that's just true legally. if you don't think that's what this law would have allowed people to do you don't understand the law. >> then you don't understand the law, chris. >> how so? >> we've had a religious freedom restoration act in this country for over 20 years. >> it was drafted, intended and materially different than what was in indiana's law. >> it's not materially different from indiana. >> it said people and you extend it to businesses. >> the differences in indiana were substantively exactly the same. >> you moved it to private actions. >> then why would they change it. >> supported by the court. that's why we've had the hobby lobby decision. >> hobby lobby was different, it's a real decision and it's something that should be taken into consideration going forward. nobody says otherwise. if you look at the federal law in this one, it is materially different. >> it is not materially different. >> then you tell me why this isn't materially different? the federal law is about discrete religious minorities. this is empowering a religious minority. that is about people this is about businesses. >> the federal law is not singling out particular religious minorities. if the federal law did that, it would be a violation of the first amendment. >> i didn't say it did i said any discrete religious minority. >> talking about religious conscience generally and that the government has to show a reason, a compelling reason and a least-restrictive means for thousand they're achieving their objective over and against genuine religious convictions. >>. those standards would have been in place otherwise. why won't you own something that's not wrong? >> there's not on the basis of the supreme court decision. >> all the supreme court did was, it said that the federal rfra doesn't apply to the states, they said it in 2007. they said you need your own laws. this law in indiana was not a dupe of the federal law. if you don't want to accept that. i'm not here to convince you. but there's very little disagreement on that. that's why they changed the law. why not own the intellectual honesty of saying i don't believe in gay marriage and i don't believe the state should have to to tell me i have to participate in it because i'm against it. i have every right to lobby for it. >> i don't think the state ought to force me to participate. >> that's what it's about. it's not about hijabs and pork sandwiches. >> nor do i think the government ought to coerce anyone to participate in something against their conscience. unless the government can show a compelling interest to do so. all that these laws do is to say that the government has a burden to prove that and to show that. and we've had rfra at the federal level for 20 years, it has never gotten anyone out of any discrimination case. >> because it wouldn't apply to what you want it to apply to. that's why indiana drafted the law differently. that's why arkansas drafted it differently. that's why there was this huge backlash. what do you think, everybody just has it wrong? all of these businesses that usually want to not get involved with this a lot of businesses that have conservative sympathies, they want to get into this? sports organizations that have enough problems of their own? they want to get into this? you think this is what they wanted? >> i think what we have is a situation in american culture, where the very idea of religious liberty is toxic. >> who says that? >> there is a total misunderstanding of what it takes to be motivated by a religious conscience. >> please tell me where this comes from mr. moore, especially you, because your distinguish yourself and your environment and one, i think very important way -- many christian conservatives believe that not only is gay is a choice but it's like a virus. and you can be degay-fied through therapy. you took a big stand and you said i don't believe in these therapy programs. we shouldn't do this. we misunderstand what homosexuality is about. that was very progressive for you, it was dangerous for you in certain circles. why don't you see the same through-logic in this situation? >> because what we're saying here is that we have legitimate disagreements in american society about sexual morality. those disagreements should not be decided at the point of a government mandate. >> yes. the disagreement shouldn't be decided. of course not. this is about dedebate robust always alive in america. >> what you're saying is we can believe secretly in our heart what we believe. but we have to be forced to participate in things that we believe are violations of our conscience. >> when you talk about potential risk. theyed that anybody would want you to participate in their marriage when they know that you hate them for wanting to get married that way. i think is fairly remote. we'll see how the -- >> it happens all the time. >> you believe it openly. >> we have -- >> we have people now who are losing their businesses. >> that's not true. >> because they're saying we don't want to participate in gay marriage. >> as we see more evolution of the law at the state level. as we see what happens with the supreme court in june on this issue. this was a preemptive action to give a back-stop of legal protection in case that happens. think it's as clear as day to people it's as clear to the lawmakers as it is to me, because they changed the laws in exactly the way that comports with our understanding of it. that i'm presenting to you right now. and no one says you have to believe it just in your heart. be loud be outspoken, be compelling. say why you think it's wrong. >> as long as the government forces me to participate in things that i believe are immoral. >> the government says it is equal protection for same-sex people to have marriages, same-sex marriage then that's it. this is america. it's always worked like that. these same arguments were used against blacks in the '50s. >> that is ridiculous chris. >> what's redickous? >> these arguments were not used against blacks. >> of course it was. people believed as a matter of conscious. >> the civil rights movement triumphed because it was a moral cause that said that the united states government is not living up to its founding documents and the civil rights movement was right. what's happening right now with a government that is not recognizing genuine pluralism is a government that is moving away from mr. jefferson's america. not towards it. >> you know -- >> this word "pluralism" is getting used a lot. i think it's important that you bring it up. pluralism means that everybody has a seat at the table, okay? >> that's right. >> it doesn't mean that when the consensus at the table is that some of the seats don't get what they want they get to bow out. and that is not pluralism, okay? that is pejoratianism. i'm asking for fairness under law, under the constitution of the united states and the 14th amendment of equal protection. if the supreme court finds that same-sex marriage is equally protected. >> states against protecting religious liberty in order to say that the majority view wins. >> your religion cannot be the rule for everyone in america. >> and the dissenters ought to be protected. i'm a christian, i believe to rendering unto caesar that which belongs to caesar but caesar does not own our consciences. >> jesus was talking about taxes when he said that not respecting humanity. >> you think that jesus is not talking about what it means to be created in the image of god and the conscious that is answerable to god? >> look you're the theologian but here's yesterday, maundy thursday the maunda means command, love one another like i have loved you. he did not qualify it he did not provide an exception to that. he's going to today be commemorated for sacrificing himself on a cross for the forgiveness of all sins of all people. certainly at this time in the religious calendar for you not to be as a preacher embracing everyone and sending that message, is -- very very unusual to even my simple christian mind. and i don't understand how you separate the two messages. i really don't. >> the idea that what jesus meant is that we ought to have a government that forces mennonite pacifists to participate in military celebrations is very far from anyone's understanding of what's happening on maundy thursday or good friday. >> it's good to have robust debate on this and i appreciate you being here. there will be more need for this going forward. i look forward to having you back on the show and a good easter to you, sir. >> happy easter to you, chris, thanks. we're engaging in this issue because it matters to the cultural development in this country. you see the sides laying out in this debate. mr. moore's position i tested it? what do you think. tweet me or go to facebook.com/newday. there's a lot of news today, so let's get to it. framework for a history-making nuclear pact with iran now in place. >> if iran cheats the world will know it. >> i'm very concerned about what is not in this agreement. >> some of our senators in congress will need to step back take a deep breath. >> they're regrouping and of course still launching the cross-border attacks. >> i take this opportunity to urge kenyans to stay calm. as we resolve this matter. two women in new york charged with planning an isis-inspired bomb plot. >> sthees a very friendly woman. they're very lovely people. rescued after 66 days stranded at sea in a disabled boat. >> crying and sad that dead and i wasn't dead. >> announcer: this is "new day," with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. >> good morning, and welcome back to your "new day." alisyn camerota has the day off. but chris and i are here handling the news for you today on this good friday. the framework for a landmark nuclear deal with iranians is now in place. president obama hailing it as historic but it is only a blueprint. three more months of challenging negotiations lie ahead to finalize it. >> now comes the big sell right? the president says this is a good deal. there's safe guards in place to catch the iranianes if they cheat. he's warning members of congress not to mess with it there are other ideas afoot in this discussion. we'll cover it from every angle. start with cnn global affairs correspondent elise labott live in switzerland. it's a little bit of a surprise the detail presented in this framework. a lot of us didn't see it coming. >> that's right, chris, we've been talking all week we thought it was going to be a general statement, a broad political framework that had some curbs on iran nuclear program, but left all the hard issues to later. so my colleagues and i following this stuff very closely, very surprised, let's talk about some of the key elements of the deal. it reduces iran's centrifuges, which enrich uranium by about two-thirds they had about 19,500. now they're going to have about 6,000. it's going to reduce its enriched uranium stockpile which is significant. those things will extend what they call the breakout time that iran would have enough fissile material to build a nuclear weapon from two-thirds two months that it is now to about a year. which is the goal that the administration had. and that in exchange iran gets to lift sanctions in phases. it will get a lot of economic benefit. but first then the u.n. security council phases sanctions will be lifted out in phases. i sat down with secretary of state john kerry yesterday. because you know the elephant in the room in these talks was really congress. they've been threatening sanctions. now there's legislation pending in congress which has almost a veto-proof majority which would give them a vote a say on whether the deal could go through. i asked him whether congress could kill this deal. take a listen. >> that would be very irresponsible to make politics trump facts and science. and the realities of what is possible here. it would be particularly irresponsible to do it when you have six nations, actually iran too, but the p5+1 permanent members of the security council, plus germany. you know china, and russia which don't have always everyday common interests with us in everything. but they are absolutely dedicated to the enforcement of this. >> the hard work begins negotiators will take a little bit of rest possibly for the holiday. and then come back to renegotiate the fuller comprehensive agreement. due at the end of june. that's going to be very difficult to put all of those technical details on the broad strokes they agreed to yesterday. michaela? >> elise, live in jerusalem. let's turn to here in the united states on the challenge for president obama, selling that agreement to congress. and getting it across the finish line. let's bring in cnn national correspondent sunlen serfaty live at the white house. this may be the heavy lifting for the president. >> absolutely. it is going to be a heavy lift for the white house, michaela. congress is going to challenge president obama on this. there's already a series of defiant bills lined up ready and waiting on capitol hill for the president. republicans have said that this deal has made too many concessions to iran. and democrats have their responses basically tepid at best here. congress is back in two weeks from easter recess. it is then when republican senator bob corker he has said he will move that week on a bill this is a bill that has already elicited a veto threat from the white house. and it would basically in essence, if it gets a veto-proof majority give congress the ability to approve or reject this deal. now the white house has argued that this bill would undercut their ability at the negotiating table, key is looking for senate democrats here will they defy the house white house on this. president obama had a stern warning for congress. >> if congress kills this deal not based on expert analysis and without offering any reasonable alternative, then it's the united states that will be blamed for the failure of diplomacy. international unity will collapse. and the path to conflict will widen. >> the wlous is going to be very -- white house is going to be very aggressive on this. reaching out to key senate democrats who have not said one way or the other where they will come down on the bill. the white house notes they need these senate democrats to remain on their side in this. chris, they have a lot of convincing to do. >> absolutely. not just at home abroad as well. u.s. major ally in the region israel they say they do not share president obama's assertion that this is a good deal. prime minister netanyahu says the framework agreement threatens his country's very survival. cnn's oren lieberman is live in jerusalem. what's the stronger reaction today? >> well we expect another statement from benjamin netanyahu shortly if that continues with what we've heard from him lately it will be some very very strong words against this deal. in fact i think his latest statement was perhaps the strongest rhetoric we heard so far. after the deal came out, netanyahu's government released a statement, netanyahu himself released a statement saying that this deal increases the risk of quote a horrific war. horrific war, some very very strong rhetoric coming from netanyahu. he sees this deal as a bad deal for a number of reasons. both for what's in the deal and not in the deal. netanyahu hat criticized the fact that the deal doesn't take apart iran's nuclear infrastructure. it limits it changes it but that's not what netanyahu wanted to see. his other big criticism was that the lifting of sanctions is not tied to iran pulling back its aggression in the region. that is what netanyahu has seen as the biggest threat to the security of israel and the security of the stability of the region. those are netanyahu's big criticisms here he's in a cabinet meeting right now. he called this emergency cabinet meeting this morning or late last night. we expect him to put out a statement shortly. so we'll have the statement for you. i think we have a good sense of what he's going to say. he's going to criticize the deal. the question is does his language get even stronger and perhaps this week we got a hint of his strategy moving forward. he met with house speaker john bain anywhere israel. he met with senator mitch mcconnell in israel. congressional republicans who have criticized this deal. if they work with netanyahu. they could pose a big stumbling block to president obama moving forward. chris certainly also worth noting that the intelligence minister said the military option is still on the table here. >> all right. the threat is very real. thank you for the download. oren. no question the prime minister has sway in congress. what is the reaction in congress? what is the likely outcome here in terms of their action? joining us now, senator angus king an independent from maine. thank you for the "new day" dedication joining us on your way home and a blessed good friday to you, sir. >> thank you, chris, nice to be with you. >> so the big concern is, at least for the president, that congress will go its own way here. and put out sanctions against iran. in lieu of the details that we now have for the framework. what do you think the likely outcome is from congress? >> i think bob corker as you mentioned, is going to be moving forward probably right after the recess. there are a number of people from the democratic caucus including myself who have signed on to that bill. but i think our support is conditional upon a demonstration that this decision can be handled responsibly and without becoming simply another exercise to try to partisan exercise to try to embarrass the president. this is just too important for that. but the bill the corker bill wouldn't apply, it would only apply to the u.s. sanctions, and it wouldn't apply obviously until there was a final deal. as you pointed out this morning. nothing signed. what we have is a detailed framework. a lot more detail than i think anybody expected. but the idea would be it would require 60 votes. there are some safeguards built in. but the underlying question is the one that you're going to be examining today. and in future days. that is whether the republicans in congress can approach this on the facts and the merits weighing the alternatives and not just saying -- if it's obama's idea we're against it. it turns out if it's moving in that direction, chris, i'm out. i'm not going to support something that's simply going to be a partisan cudgel. >> you do have objective basis for pushback on this framework. the "washington post" has an op-ed out saying that the parameters fall well short of the goals originally set by the administration. is this framework even if achieves all that it sets out, not enough? >> well the heart of it to me is verification. and that's really whether or not we can verify what's going on in there. there are, think a lot of people were surprise. i was surprised yesterday at the length to which for example, reducing 10,000 down to 10,000 kilograms down to 300, shipping spent fuel out of the country, two two-thirds reduction in centrifuge. all of those things are meaningless unless there's powerful strong intrusive investigation and verification. if that's the case and that's where the details are going to come you know obviously that's going to be the real discussion. that takes place over the next several months both here in this country, around the world, and iran and particularly between the negotiators. but if if look chris, you got to look at the alternatives. if as you're interviewing people today and they're telling you why it's such a bad deal. ask them what their alternative is. a lot of people think this is just us and iran. it isn't. it's china, it's russia they're involved in these discussions, the entire security council of the united nations. and we don't have the unilateral power to keep the sanctions going if those countries decided we blew up the negotiations unnecessarily. that's option one is we could lose all international support for the sanctions which means, they're ineffective. or the other alternative, is war, is bombing, and most people estimate that a thorough bombing campaign would set their project, their nuclear weapons project back between two and three years. so where are we then where they've you know they're back two or three years from now where they are and you think they're going do negotiate then if we bomb them? this is pretty serious stuff. the question is, not is this a great deal. but is this a better deal than what the alternatives are. and so far, i'm impressed that the deal is more detailed more intrusive, has more limitations, longer limitations, than i anticipated. i'm not ready to sign on and say it's terrific. but i think it's a really positive step forward. and i sure don't want to see it derailed just because you know people want to embarrass the president or make some kind of partisan points. that would be that would be tragic. >> just a quick final thought. you know the apolitical criticism would be yes, all these goals and aims that you lay out are probably beneficial and better than the alternative, if it's war. but what do you give to get them? and in what you give do you wind up giving up too much that doesn't give you the leverage going forward to enforce the deal? >> well of course that's a really good point. but as i read the facts, and the briefing i got yesterday from the white house, the sanctions don't go away until iran complies. and then there's, there are provisions for what's called snap-back. which means there's a violation, the sanctions come right back in. and i think that's very important. one other point that was made in the prior report. the israelis are now moving the goal posts and saying we've got to get iran to quit misbehaving in the region. that wasn't the focus of these negotiations. and frankly, that's a very unrealistic goal. it would be a nice goal it would be terrific if we could achieve that. but let's deal with one issue at a time. and the real issue is a nuclear armed iran. they're still going to be troublesome in the region. they're still going to be a threat. they're still going to be an enemy of ours. but if we can get the nuclear arms off the table. that's a big deal. >> senator king thank you very much. enjoy your vacation have a good easter. >> thank you, chris. all right. this morning the search intensifying for a key suspect behind the bloody university rampage at university in kenya. the death toll stands now at a staggering 147 people. mostly students. we're also learning that al shabab terrorist the singled out christians during that massacre. cnn's christian purefoy has the latest at garissa university college in kenya with the latest. >> michaela at 5:00 a.m. yesterday morning, al shabab terrorists drove down this road killed two policemen standing guard at that gate and went into the university with over 800 students waking up thinking it's just another normal day. now michaela we're standing here just on the other side of the fence of that university which is now in lockdown. we've seen military trucks ambulances all sorts of security forces coming by. but to be honest it really is even here a sense of detachment about the mass murder and horror that must have gone on behind those gates. here's what we know so far. this morning, it's been just over 24 hours. [ screaming ] >> since al shabab gunmen terrorized this university in kenya. now with at least 147 dead and nearly 600 evacuated, the community of garissa in complete agony. the mag kerr beginning just before dawn on thursday. the terrorists descending on early morning prayers, reportedly separating muslims from christians. and killing the christians or taking them hostage. >> they started jumping up and down running foyer their lives. but it's unfortunate that where they are going to is where the gunshots were coming from. >> the gunmen then going dormitory to dormitory. before kenyan forces eventually corner them. the standoff lasting for hours, finally, at around 9:00 p.m. official the announced the end of the operation. garissa university college, some 90 miles west of the somali border. a region caught up in the ongoing battle with the somali-based terror group al shabab. >> kenya has been the primary driving force behind operations against al shabab in the region. >> the very same islamist extremists responsible for the 2013 westgate mall massacre in nairobi, kenya. according to reports, students had heard warning of an impending attack on their campus just this past week. the kenyan government now issuing a bounty of more than $200,000 for this man, muhammed muhammed, wanted in connection with the campus attack. though officials say kenyan forces killed the four terrorists responsible, nearly 17-hour siege, still too fresh. now al shabab's stronghold somalia, is about four hours' drive over a bad road at 190 kilometers that way. it really is the badlands of northern kenya, a long porous border with somalia. very difficult to stop al shabab hitting soft targets like this. today, it's about kenya now beginning to come to terms with what happened behind those gates. back to you. >> all right, thank you very much for the reporting. we're still going to get information out of that. we'll check back with him in a little bit. breaking news as well in the flight 9525 investigation. investigators have a first look at what was on the plane's data recorder. that data they say proves co-pilot andreas lubitz put the plane into a dive and even accelerated on the way down. meanwhile, his tablet device was loaded with searches for suicide methods, cockpit doors and cockpit door security. lawmakers in indiana and in arkansas swiftly approving fixes that aim to remove the risk of religious freedom laws to avoid discrimination. protection as a class under state law. indiana added to its existing bill arkansas passed a narrower version of it its original bill which is now virtually identical to the federal religious freedom and restoration act. a good friday miracle to tell you about. this sailor adrift at sea for wait for it 66 days. now alive and well. cnn's martin savidge is live in norfolk, virginia with details. martin you want to shake your head and say, i don't buy it he looks too good. but what's the facts on the ground? >> louis jordan has an amazing story to tell. and he begins it by saying that back at the end of january, he went out from south carolina just to catch a couple of fish. he said. thought he would be gone a couple of hours. two months later he's rescued at sea. and his father admitted to us last night that he had thought his son was dead. >> an emotional reunion. father and son together for the first time in months. 37-year-old louis jordan was lost at sea for 66 days. his sailboat capsized leaving him drifting far from shore. >> there comes a time when you wonder if they could still be out there. surviving. >> louis speaking out for the first time reerks counting how he managed to survive. catching fish with his bare hands and eating it raw. and trapping rainwater. >> i was running out of water. drinking a pint a day for very long time. rationing that water, almost out. almost out. finally god answered my prayer. before i ran out of water. >> reported missing on january 29th jordan set out for a fishing trip. when the coast guard says his sailboat's mast broke and the electronics gear was damaged during rough weather. but on thursday after more than two months at sea, with a broken shoulder his fortunes changed. a german-flagged vessel rescued jordan about 200 miles east of north carolina's cape hatteras. he was medivaced to a virginia hospital. walked inside on his own two feet. here he's the first phone call with his father. >> how are you feeling? >> i'm doing great now. i couldn't -- i couldn't fix it i couldn't sail back with my boat i'm so sorry, such a big loss. >> hey, louis, you're fine son, i'm so glad that you're alive. we prayed and prayed and we hoped that you were still alive. >> i was praying for you, i was afraid that you guys were crying and sad that i was dead and i wasn't dead. >> i was utterly grateful and thankful to the people who rescued me. and i was grateful to god that my parents were not going to be worried about me. >> an agonizing ordeal for jordan's family coming to a close. >> let's have a hug. i love this man. love him with all my heart. >> and chris, to your point, he does look to be in incredible medical condition, given the 66 days. that he was at sea. the story is still being investigated by authorities. there's no question that he was reported missing by his family. so how long he was gone is really not a doubt here. it is the conditions under which he actually had to survive. but no doubt he's also very lucky, because of the crew that spotted him at sea, the coast guard that brought him to shore and maybe the vessel he was on himself. which appropriately was named -- "angel." chris and michaela. >> 66 days would put him back into some of the throes of winter. >> hard to believe. but until we know otherwise, we got to go with what he says. >> what a story, martin thank you for bringing it to us. all right the arrest of two new york women in an isis-inspired bomb plot sparking all sorts of new concern about home-grown terror is enough being done to kpat it? proemg says the iran deal is good. israel says no it isn't. it could compromise their very survival. is there a middle ground here? israel's chief government spokesman joins us awe head with his concerns. 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>> it does. this is a shift we've sceneriesly. police army military these are seen as legitimate targets more than civilians. people entering this sort of level of extremism. when people decide do commit an act of violence civilians are harder pitch for al qaeda. remember we had a hatchet-bearing man in new york city trying to go after police. in ottawa we had an attack on the parliament building not on what al qaeda would refer to as innocent civilians. so this is an effort to get a target set, that's a little bit from their perspective, a little bit more legitimate than just a an innocent civilian. >> where do they stand as far as you're concerned, in terms of a threat within the organization these two? >> chump change. >> chump change. >> chump change. there's two sides to this coin. there's the good side of this. if you look at the criminal complaint and i've read it these are no-talent clowns they made every mistake you could make. i feel like i should run a seminar for terrorists on how not to get into the claws of american security service. the problem with this and the reason people like me cringe is this is a volume business as daveed said there's so many of these people they can be low-talent but if you get hundreds of them and you miss two of them you got to do 100%. these are not serious players, but you got to worry when you get hundreds of them. >> when this goes to press later, his words not mine on the clown phenomenon. we go from bit players, daveed let's talk about the situation in texas it sounds like they netted a top al qaeda operative. a texas native he is going to be a valuable resource for intelligence will he not? >> that's something which i'm a little bit more skeptical of unfortunately. the reason being that look he's in criminal court. and once someone gets mirandaized, everyone knows you stop talking. this is one situation where once you get someone into criminal court, they stop being a valuable resource unless a plea deal can be struck whereby he gives up valuable information for a lighter sentence. >> boy this is a lottery ticket for the intelligence folks, i would die to hear this guy talk. the problem is as soon as he lawyers up you know what that lawyer is going to say. stop talking. there's another psychological piece to this. he's been gone since 2007 in the midst of al qaeda. when you become ideologically turned for that long a period of time the likelihood that you're going to come back and say wow, i made a huge mistake, is lower. that's chance he's just sitting there saying i joined the right group. don't talk to me, i believe in what i joined. >> he's not a viable source there for information. but daveed,ky sleep better at night knowing he's off the streets. >> absolutely. i mean i think we can be glad about that. there's an interesting series of events with him being basically sent back to texas after, being apprehended in pakistan. there's some cooperation that was taking place there. he has valuable intelligence. and one other thing i would point out is that the u.s. has gotten quite a bit of valuable intelligence within the past few months. net it's helped to loop in other big fish in the al qaeda chain. >> gentlemen, we appreciate you joining us on this good friday thank you for your intelligence and your colorful language as always. chris, i'll send it over to you. >> as an easter gift to mudd. he does not want to start a program for terrorists to figure out how to avoid the authorities. he was just using that as a demonstration of their own inept ineptitude. >> i think that's a safe bet. if i offered that impression i'm not taking money from terrorist groups that's a federal violation. >> mr. mudd has a book coming out, we'll tell you about it next week. an easter tease. when we come back israel's prime minister says a nuclear deal with iran isn't just a bad deal. it threatens his nation's very existence. so what is he going to do about it? 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>> we believe it's possible to get a much better deal. we see what's on the table now as a step in the wrong direction. as very dangerous. because you're giving international legitimacy to ultimately an iranian nuclear program whose goal is sole goal is to have a nuclear weapon. and there shouldn't be that legitimacy. on the contrary. we believe the international community should hold out until you get a better deal that actually substantially dismantles the iranian nuclear program and commits iran to a new set of behavior. if iran wants to be treated as a normal country, it has to be to start acting like a normal country. they shouldn't be exporting their aggression throughout the region. you know what they're doing in iraq and in syria and in lebanon and now today in yemen as well. you know what -- >> say you you have to separate the nukes and the outlining foreign activity. you have to start somewhere and the question becomes how do you get a better deal than right now? what could you do to iran that you haven't already done at least for the united states 35 years, having them as an off the sized entity. >> the truth is in the only in the last two or three years that the united states have ratcheted up sanctions and the iranians have been feeling the pressure. here we have to give a word of thanks to the administration in congress for putting those very tough sanctions in place. now we think those sanctions should stay in place. until the iranians actually take substantive steps to dismantle their nuclear program. ultimately if you take that away what motivation do the iranians have for making real concessions? >> if this deal goes forward as it is there is a whisper that israel might consider a unilateral attack against iran because of its own properties of self-defense. is there a real chance of that? >> let's be clear. just this week once again the iranian leadership this time a top general, reiterated that he actually said that israel's destruction is nonnegotiable. in other words, it's something the iranians are willing to talk about anything but destroying israel they can't discuss that. that's part of their very being. so obviously nuclear weapons, nuclear potential in the hands of such a regime, is for us a scenario that we don't, we don't want to go there. you have to know chris, it's not just israel's problem. our arab neighbors, those large sunni moderate countries in the region they support our position on this issue. and i'd urge you to remember when arabs and israelis agree, as we do on iran it doesn't happen every day of the week. when we agree, i would urge people to pay attention. i would urge you to remember chris, that iran is building intercontinental ballistic missiles. those missiles are not for us they've got missiles that can hit tel aviv and jerusalem. those missiles are to hit targets well beyond the horizon and that includes north america. >> so the idea of military action in response to this deal isn't just saber-rattling. in a quick statement you're saying that's a real option on the table? >> we would of course like to see a deal that actually significantly dismantles the iranian nuclear program. we'd like to see that done diplomatically. >> okay. >> but of course israel is here under direct threat. it's the responsibility of every democratic government in my prime minister was just re-elected with a mandate. we have to protect ourself. >> mr. regev, thank you for giving us the perspective of israel. pleasure having you on the show. new evidence from the germanwings flight data recorder that's been found confirms that the crash was indeed deliberate. we may never know why, but journalists from a german publication who spoke with the pilot's friend may give us some insight, next. we all eat foods that are acidic... most of the time people are shocked when we show them where they're getting the acid and what those acids can do to the enamel. there's only so much enamel on a tooth, and everybody needs to do something about it now if they want to preserve their teeth. i recommend pronamel because it helps strengthen the tooth and makes it more resistant to acid breakdown. we want to be healthy and strong through the course of our life and by using pronamel every day, just simply using it as your toothpaste, you know you will have that peace of mind. e plane and thought... yeah! empty seat next to me. and then i saw him slowly coming down the aisle. one of those guys who just can't stop talking. i was downloading a movie. i was trying to download a movie. i have verizon. i don't. i get that little spinning wheel. download didn't finish. i finished the download. headphones on. and i'm safe. i didn't finish in time. so. many. stories. vo: join us and save without settling. verizon. ♪ music plays love you by the free design ♪ ♪ attendant: welcome back. man: thank you. it's not home. but with every well considered detail . . . it becomes one step closer. no wonder more people. . . choose delta than any other airline. at book club they were asking me what you're doing now, janice. blogging. your blog is just pictures of you in the mirror. it's called a fashion blog todd. well, i've been helping people save money with progressive's discounts. flo, can you get janice a job? 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>> it was actually our reporters speaking to several friends of his. one of them pretty close to him. and what is interesting there is that as of now, pretty much everyone knew about his mental condition. knew that he was seeking treatment. very much seems that his family knew that he was on heavy medication. and you know the question coming out of that is to us did he conceal to friends and family that he was still you know on active duty? that he was still in the cockpit? or did he you know did everyone know that he was flying? although he was in a very bad mental place and receiving heavy medication? we have learned from the investigation, from documents that are part of the investigation, that he was on a combination of heavy antidepressant that increases the risk of suicide. has been on that for weeks. and that at the same time on a sleeping medication that is also used to treat panic attacks. doctors that we have consulted tell us this combination of medication wouldn't even allow you to drive a car, not talking about flying a plane. >> let me ask you, if they had these concerns the people that knew this man, did they ever make them aware, the airline aware? did they ever speak of their concern leading up to or right after? why are we only hearing about this now? well that isle big question everyone is asking right now. we know from records that andreas lubitz was concealing to the doctors just days before he crashed the plane, that he was on active duty. he was telling them the doctors, he consulted, that he was on sick leave, he was not flying, but he wants to get back in the cockpit. possibly because he was afraid that someone would report him. he was seeking treatment while concealing that he was still flying. you know we're very certain that his friends and family knew about his condition. but as of now, it seems more likely that he tried as much as possible to conceal also from them that he was flying. because it's very hard to imagine that they knew about the condition, you know his family was actively taking him to doctors. you know it's very hard to imagine that they were taking him to doctors and at the same time allowing him to fly commercial airliner. >> it is shocking shocking developments that you, "bild" online is reporting. this is not cnn's coverage. julian richeichelt, thank you so much. tomorrow is the final vote can wisconsin end kentucky's historic season? 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freedom doesn't mean protecting discrimination. this is "new day" with chris cuomo, alisyn camerota and michaela pereira. good morning. welcome back to "new day." it's friday april 3rd. 8:00 in the east. alisyn camerota but mich and i are here. there is history for a history making pack. world leaders have until the end of june to make these final arrangements stick. >> president obama wasted no time selling the agreement calling it a good deal but he still has congress to contend with warning them not to do anything to compromise what he deems a historic deal in the making. cnn is covering this from every angle starting with global affairs correspondent elise elise labott. she's joining us from switzerland. elise. >> reporter: well michaela. it's been a marathon a real roller coaster this past week. they do have this broad framework deal which in essence puts a lot of curves on the deal. let's talk about some of the key points of this deal. it reduces iran's centrifuges by about 2/3 to 6,000. it has about 19,500 right now. it also reduces its enriched uranium stockpile. two of those together are significant because that extends what they call the breakout time by which iran has enough fissile material to produce a nuclear weapon. right now it's about two months. they want that to last a year. in exchange iran gets all of its sanctions lifted in phases. it will start with those economic sanctions and then it will go to u.n. security sanctions as iran complies with the deal. as you said that full comprehensive deal is due at the end of june. now negotiators have to start putting the details on those broad strokes. i asked secretary kerry -- secretary of state john kerry yesterday what would happen if iran tried to renegotiate some of those terms of the deal. take a listen. >> then they don't get an agreement. i mean look we're very clear about where we are. >> if they try to renegotiate, you'll end? you won't give them an agreement? >> we've agreed and we're not going to renegotiate things. we've been very clear about that. >> and we also talked about the ups and downs of the negotiations. it's been an 18-month ride. he spent more time with any foreign minister. the iranian foreign minister than any foreign minister. certainly more than any u.s. official in 30 years has spent with an official from iran. it was contentious at times, it was emotional at times but he's very happy with the deal at hand. michaela. >> very much our thanks to you, elise. once a framework has been reached with iran president obama came out with warnings to congress. don't do anything to sabotage this. let's turn to sunday landlan serfaty. >> there's a series of defiant bills lined up to go on capitol hill. republicans say there are too many concessions for iran on the hill. there are many democrats on the hill that are very skeptical. congress comes back from a two-week recess in the middle of april. it is then when republican senator bob corker he says he will move forward with his bill. this is a bill that has already elicited a white house veto threat from the administration. the bill would basically if they get a veto proof majority give congress the approval the ability to approve or reject a deal in the end. now the white house has said that this will be disruptive to negotiations and they're really targeting senate democrats who might be skeptical but might be able to be convinced to stay on their side of this. here's president obama's warning to congress. >> if congress kills this deal not based on expert analysis and without offering any reasonable alternative, then it's the united states that will be blamed for the failure of diplomacy. international unity will collapse and the path to conflict will widen. >> the white house is going to be have i very aggressive on this reaching out to congress. they have promised briefings. they've promised high level engagement from members of the administration. they are targeting this specific group of skeptical senate democrats. they need to remain on their side but it is certainly going to be a large convincing job the white house has. >> sunlen thanks. let's bring in tony blinken. he's the deputy secretary of state and have him make the case. thank you for taking the opportunity. i am the disgruntled republicans, some democrats and your ally israel and i want you to -- i want to test your perspective on what their take is here. the first main one is you guys should have come to us sooner in congress about this because you went your own path we don't like the path. you went too far down that path and now we're going to put in our own sanctions because sanctions are the key. what is your punch back. >> so chris, first of all, this deal if it is finalized, pushes far into the future iran's pathways to a bomb. it cuts them off far into the future. it's the most effective thing we can do. to date we've almost had 250 briefings, meetings hearings phone calls with members of congress and now we have the details. the president has instructed us to move out aggressively to work with congress in the weeks ahead to show them all of the details, to give them a chance to digest the details and then to move forward with congress. >> i believe my friend israel who says we cannot accept a deal that is not an if deal it's a when deal. you're just pulling out how long it will take them to get a weapon. they don't have to dismantle any of their nuclear facilities. they'll still have plenty. and we know that all they want to do is find a way to come up with a weapon and you're going to allow them to do that. >> actually chris, it's just the opposite. all of the critical pathways to a bomb are blocked and put off far, far into the future and, indeed many of the restrictions will last 15 years, 20 years, 25 years, some of them in perpetuity indefinitely. and the other thing that's so critical is this. if you don't like this deal and it's a very strong and good deal but if you don't like it that's fine but you have an obligation to say what is the alternative and how would you achieve it. this is the best achievable deal that we can get to deal with the iranian nuclear problem. >> my better deal is squeeze them. more sanctions. we've only been doing real sanctions for a few years. let's get the p5 plus 1 and really squeeze them and allow them to dismantle the whole thing. they don't need nuclear power. they're an oil rich reserve country. >> so our partners, the international community, they all have a say in this. the deal we have with them is we would put the sanctions on get iran to the table and get a good deal. that's exactly wa we havehat we've done. if we try to sanction iran into total capitulations. our partners will walk away iran will get all of the benefits of having trade and money from the international community and it will bear none of the burden of having to actually stop its program. that's the choice. >> leaders lead. the u.s. has to go first. the others will follow and you can't do a deal when they won't even discuss their feelings about the existence of israel. they say that's nonnegotiable. how can you do a deal with them when your biggest ally in the region israel is the target of their greatest hatred. >> actually this makes more israel more secure. it makes us more secure. it makes our partners in the region more secure. if there's no deal tomorrow iran could rush to a nuclear weapon. all of the centrifuges it was spinning will start spinning again. they are stay in place. this is a deal that makes us more secure israel more secure. >> they are duping you because they're using this nuclear negotiation as a distraction allowing them to run rough shod over the rest of the world. look at yemen, look at iraq look at what they're doing in syria and obviously their plans for israel. you're not addressing that. you're telling them it's okay as long as they do this kind of deal with you about nukes. >> absolutely not. we're addressing all of those problems very very vigorously. all of the sanctions that go to their destabilizing activities their support for terrorism, their human rights problems those remain in place. we'll be working very closely with our partners in the gulf. you heard the president say he's going to bring all of the leaders to washington to camp david for a summit to look at how we can increase the efforts we're making to stop iran's malicious activities. even as we do this deal we are standing strong and we are standing firm against everything else that they're doing. >> senator -- >> imagine this if they had a bomb imagine how much more embolden they would be and how much more difficult it would be to deal with them in these areas. this will make us more effective in dealing with the problems they pose. >> senator corker says he'll move forward with the bill. what do you think your chances are of convincing him and some democrats, mostly republican coalition that they put together of resistance on this? >> i had a great conversation with senator corker yesterday. he put out a very thoughtful statement. we'll be going over it with members in congress. what we need is time and space to bring this to conclusion to put in place the final details. it's a complicated process dotting all the is and crossing the ts between now and june 30th. if we have the time and space we'll be working with congress to play the oversight role they need to play. >> we know there's an iffy proposition. thank you for coming on allowing us to test your position. >> thanks a lot, chris. we want to take you to breaking news in kentucky. look at this industrial fire that's going on. we understand four companies -- fire companies are on the scene of a four alarm fire there at louisville's massive general election appliance park in louisville. that building engulfed is building number 6. it has been evacuated. we believe that it is being considered a total loss. we don't know what caused this fire but just last month a fire in the very same facility was caused by a dryer. we understand the smoke you can see thick, black smoke which means there's a whole lot of fuel in there still burning. all of this is going on while louisville is also dealing with widespread flooding after heavy rainfall overnight. you can imagine emergency crews there are stretched to the limit with the flooding and then this massive industrial fire that's going on. we'll continue to update this when we can. >> we'll see, we'll learn if there's a connection between the two, if there's some strain on the electrical something going on with the electrical. that's a developing story. we'll tell you what we know as we learn. we're learning more about the bloody ram pain at the university college in kenya as the search intensifies. al shabaab terrorists were literally singling out christians and opening fire. 147 people lost their lives, most of them students. we have cnn's christian purefoy with the latest in kenya. >> reporter: at 5:00 a.m. yesterday morning al shabaab terrorists drove up this dirt track, killed two policemen standing guard at that gate and then drove into the university where over 800 students were waking up to what they thought was just another day. now we have seen security trucks and ambulances going up and down this road but the military have locked down that university. even here on this side of the gate there is a sense of detachment about what happened the mass murder and horror that must have gone on yesterday. here's what we know so far. >> this morning it's been over 24 hours since al shabaab gunmen terrorized this university in kenya. now with at least 147 dead and nearly 600 evacuated, the community in complete agony. >> the massacre beginning before dawn. >> it's unfortunate that where they were going to is where the gunshots were coming from. >> the gunmen going dormitory to dormitory before kenyan forces eventually corner them. the standoff lasting for hours finally at around 9:00 p.m. officials announce the end of the operation. garissa university college, some 19 miles west of the somali border. a region caught up in the ongoing battle with a somali based terror group, al shabaab. >> kenya has been the primary driving force behind operations against al shabaab in the region. >> the very same islamist extremists responsible for the 2013 west gate mall massacre in nairobi, kenya. according to reports, students had heard warning of an impending attack on the campus. just this past week entering a bounty for this man, muhammad muhammad wanted in connection with the campus attack. the officials say kenyan forces killed the four terrorists responsible in the nearly 17 hour siege. still too fresh. >> somalia, al shabaab's strong hold is about a four hour drive in that direction. 190 kilometers down the track. now it's a long porous border. it's very difficult to stop these terrorists coming across and hitting soft targets like this. but for now, today, it's about kenya trying to come to terms with what happened behind those gates. back to you. >> all right. thank you very much. as the updates come in we'll continue to tell you about that story on cnn throughout the morning. >> a live report from anycoming up kenya upcoming. a price is right model giving priceless responses on twitter after she, how do i put this accidentally gave away a car, a brand-new car on a show. it happened during a game where the contestant had three tries to guess the car's price. check out what happened next. >> 19,849. go ahead. no. oh! >> oopsy. the model clearly embarrassed. oh no. >> but guess what they gave her the car, which was really solid of the price is right. she's so happy but apparently the model took to twitter afterwards to say that she's not in any trouble. she also had kind of a funny shout out to oprah saying hey, oprah, now i know what it feels like to be you. whenever you feel like giving cars away on the show 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>> reporter: well, yes. dozens and dozens injured with gunshot wounds michaela which means that that death toll could rise significantly. in fact we're hearing, it's not confirmed, but we are hearing that the death toll is quite a lot higher than initially described by the minister of interior yesterday evening. 147 is what it's at right now. we believe that number could rise and it could rise significantly. just some of the things that we're hearing here in nairobi. every now and again you get message alerts coming from the local news services which state that bodies are being flown in from garissa to a local airport here in nairobi and taken to the mortuary. there are families that will have to go and identify their loved ones that were killed in yesterday's attack. the last message that we had was that 48 bodies had been flown in from garissa. you can imagine how horrifying it must be for these family members believing that their loved ones are going to come back for a long weekend. today is good friday. it's a long weekend. most students would have traveled home yesterday for the long weekend. instead they're being greeted by caskets. >> these families so much heart break for that community. to that point, it is easter weekend. we know we're learning this chilling detail, that the gunmen separated the nonmuslims from the muslims killing the christians. what a horrifying attack. >> yes. it's not the first time we've seen this. there seems to be a pattern in these shabab -- at least recent shabab attacks. the first time we saw it was in -- and heard of it was in the west gate attack in 2013 when we were told that people inside the mall were killing each other. they had to recite a special verse on their korans. they were typing it so they could pretend they were muslims. those who were muslims could recite it by heart. nonmuslims were executed very similarly to yesterday's attack or kept aside. in some cases if they were children they were however, let go. we also saw this in a small village that was all but exterminated by al shabaab late last year. i went there. al shabaab were using rocket propelled grenades. they were lighting things on fire. they behaved very much like a small militia rather than a group of thugs. they blocked -- they were separating muslims from nonmuslims and oftentimes killing the nonmuslims. >> such horror. this is being considered the deadliest attack in kenya since the 1998 bombing of the embassy in nairobi. the west gate mall horrifying siege in 2013. this is all going on we understand while the kenyan president is saying there is a shortage of police. what is being done to sort of support the police services and maybe even find more willing and able police officers? >> reporter: unfortunately police don't get paid very much here in kenya, michaela. i mean unbelievably low amounts. i can't say offhand, but it is very very low. so sometimes officers are driven to corrupt measures to make up money in which to simply feed their families. it's not the kind of career that people try to go into unless they're absolutely desperate. so there is a shortage of police officers. in a time of war. in a time of terror. this is asymmetrical insurgent warfare, it's not conventional warfare that they can fight with tanks and planes. they can assimilate into the local population. they do have a lack of police. the president is saying that 10,000 young recruits will be released onto the streets very soon. you will remember that president barack obama is due to visit in july. these sorts of things will need to be sorted out. >> they very much will. we know that will be front of mind for the white house as they prepare for that visit. robyn kriel letting us know that the death toll is expected to rise. thanks for your reporting, we appreciate it. >> chris. >> mich we'll stay on that. the end of the battle with the religious freedom laws or just beginning? 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>> or does this con flaflagration strengthen the resolve and embolden them to come out in a way that maybe they hadn't? >> chris, that's true. that's great for primary season but there aren't enough of them in the nation to sway a general election. >> you don't think this issue plays not just to the fringe? you don't think it tries to get you into the mainstream of christianity? >> i think that all of the trend lines of the country are on the side of recognition of increased rights of gays and lesbians. for every day they're talking about this or other cultural matters like abortion it's a day they are not talking about the economy, they are not talking about the iranian deal. they are not talking about things that could bring out people that could decide the election. >> talk about a conflagration. you talk about the economy and what's going on business getting involved. we saw angie's list we saw the ncaa we saw all sorts of businesses voicing their concern and downright dismay with what was going on in indiana. although recently let's pull up this reaction from angie's list ceo sort of saying they're not happy with the fix. they say the position is the fix is insufficient. there is no repeal of rfra and no end to discrimination of homosexuals in indiana. do you think that is an indication business isn't warming to the fix. >> michaela you've really put your finger on it. i don't think what triggered this was the evangelical reaction or the blow back i think it was this natural constituency for the gop. the chambers of commerce were on the flip side of this issue. if the final four were not in indy this weekend and into next week i don't think there would have been resolution of this issue. but the republican party in arkansas to be at odds with walmart or to be at odds with angie's list or any number of major corporations including apple over what went on in india, that's not where they need to be. >> money talks, there's no question about it. but, you know i have to tell you, one of the things that stood out to me i don't think we've seen something happen this fast and furious on a social issue in a long time. >> that's right. >> a coalition had states sports big business coming out and driving a change to a social issue. >> well you saw republicans, you saw governor pence and you saw governor hutchinson both trying to wrap themselves in bill clinton from the early '90ed. i . i think the problem is we've undergone a change. in the early 1990s. remember what i do i answer telephones from people across the country. in answering telephones in the early '90s people would have been lock step on the side of the baker. those days i think are largely over. >> since you're taking calls and i feel that you've had it -- >> michaela from new york city. >> michaela has this question. a big week of news that you'll be sort of recapping, looking at digging through. iran. i mean a big, big, big historic story, but it's not done yet. obviously just a framework at this point. but also the fact that the president now has to come home and make the case to congress. >> and i think he's got a tough sale on his hands given, and you've already been discussing this i saw the interview from the last half hour israel really holds a lot of cards with regard to what the gop controlled house will do. to the extent that prime minister netanyahu has already dug in on this and i saw the interview with mark regev, i think they clearly have it puts the gop leadership in a very tight spot. i'd be very hard-pressed to see boehner and company take a position different from that of the israelis. >> do you think that there is anything they won't use as a political football or do you think that this is not a political football this is a legitimate earnest difference of opinion about how to deal with a potentially dangerous subject? >> i think there are legitimate concerns to be expressed against this deal. i don't want to say this is part and parcel of obama's for it we're against it although there's a heck of a lot of that that takes place in the country. what we've seen recently is that the partisan divide on domestic issues has leapt into the foreign policy realm. now today everything is subject to that red state/blue state divide. >> michael, thank you very much. >> great to see you. >> this is just a taste. check out smerconish saturdays on 9:00 a.m. eastern. and you hear him weekdays at 9:00 a.m. eastern. we are continuing to monitor the massive industrial blaze going on in louisville kentucky. part of the ge appliance park if you will. we're showing you live pictures of that blaze. we're told it's a four alarm fire right now. the building it appears that parts of it the roof of it is collapsing. we're going to continue to monitor this and bring you more updates after the break. i don't understand... your grass, man! it's a living, breathing thing. it's hungry, and you've got to feed it with scotts turf builder. that a boy, mikey! two feedings now in the springtime strengthens and helps protect your lawn from future problems. get scotts turf builder lawn food. it's guaranteed. feed your lawn. feed it! and to keep crabgrass away all season long, get scotts turf builder with halts crabgrass preventer. ♪ where do you get this kind of confidence? 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>> they didn't teach me that. how mind blowing is that? how much of a revelation is that? >> i think it's a big revelation for people but it's also a kind of nice alternative to a story that sometimes you might hear in bible class in sunday school. that was that mary magdalene was a prostitute repentant sinner. this other aspect that she might have been jesus's wife is a tanlt at thatlizing thing we want to know about. >> tantalizing is not always the same as being actual though. what do you see as you start to lay out the two different roads of who this woman was? we do believe she existed. >> yeah. >> so what do you think? >> we definitely think that she existed. there's no question about that. she's mentioned in the new testament 12 times but really very ee luce civilly. there's very little that's said about her. i think this kind of adds to the mystery about her. and one thing that we know is that it was a common thing for people to be also would have been associated with a man. so for these two figures to show up somehow associated with one another but are not explicitly said to be married, again, makes you wonder what's going on there. >> we know that mary was present when jesus was crucified and was there, among the first to discover he was missing from the tomb. that's not changed but that speaks to her importance in this story of jesus. >> yeah. absolutely. and i'll take this as two kind of separate things. her presence at the crucifixion is a little weird, little strange. she is not named as a family member. he has his mother there and not named as a disciple and a little dialogue about how jesus there says to his mother please kind of take over taking care of john my disciple as your son. but mary magdalene doesn't get factored in but mentioned. why is he mentioned and there at that moment? now, in terms of the resurrection that's hugely important because it says in all four gospels she is a witness to the resurrection. and that's tremendously, tremendously important for the christian tradition. >> how do you factor in the rules of the time with what you're able to find and document? you know like none of the disciples were women. it was san fized because it was such a male dominance theory and looking at it it was equally likely that he was patronized by women, older women and couples and may have had a lot of couples and didn't go with the narrative of the church they wanted drafting the different versions of the bible. >> i think the writings that are now in the new testament, i don't think they were necessarily being exclusionary and talking about particular characters and name the people as disciples but i don't think that they necessarily thought, oh by not calling mary magdalene a disciple, she shouldn't be considered as one. paul in the writings doesn't talk about mary magdalene and talks about women apostles, actually. so they're there in the tradition. we see them. but garageally as the church kind of masculinizes they have to do something about women with equals or disciples or followers so they're there early on. we see them but they start to fade out. >> hopefully this is planted a seed for you in the finale the sixth and final episode in "finding jesus" and airs per suspect for your sunday traditions this easter sunday at 9:00 p.m. thanks so much for joining us and giving us a little food for thought today. >> so welcome. >> little bit more food for thought. do you think you could live on $11 a day? 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a bad name? >> i was clear i was not happy about the title. >> chicago plus iraq equals chiraq. the director is dodging complaints that the title glorifies street violence. let's talk. live in the cnn news room. >> and good morning. i'm carol costello. thank you for joining me. we begin with an international manhunt to try to find two cold-blooded killers. authorities scrambling to find richard matt and david sweat who made an escape from the upstate new york prison. the inmates used power tools to saw through a cell wall before tunnelling their way to freedom. now major suspicious they had help from inside. >> this was very sophisticated. they had equipment they shouldn't have had access to. that's a clear. we're looking at the civilian employees now and the private contractors to see if possibly one civilian employee or contractor was assisting this escape, because they wouldn't have had the equipment on their own. that's for sure. >> oh to make it worse on their way out, the inmates left behind this note. you see it there. it reads "have a nice day." authorities now offering an unprecedented $100,000 reward for their capture, and warns both men are extremely dangerous. let's bring in cnn sandoval is on the ground in upstate new york. good morning. >> reporter: good morning. we continue to see a heavy police presence here in the small town of dannemora, new york. despite the rainy conditions authorities are continuesing their efforts to track downtown two individuals and find out how in the world they were able to pull off such an elaborate escape. >> we're leaving no stone it unturned. >> they could be anywhere. >> two convict the murders escaping this maximum security prison for the first time in its 170-year history, and as hundreds of law enforcements scouring upstate new york this morning. >> these are dangerous people. >> the massive manhunt is on for 35-year-old david sweat sentenced to life with no parole for a 2002 killing of a sheriff's deputy and 49-year-old richard matt who was spending 25 to life for beating a man to death and december membering him in 1997. >> when you look how it was done it was extraordinary. >> andrew cuomo taking a tour of the escape route discovered around 5:30 saturday morning. after stuffing makeshift dummies into their beds so the guards thought they were sleeping, the inmates obtained power tools to cut the hole. cutting through solid steel they exited on to a cat walk. from the cat walk they had to shimmy down into a tunnel below. once there they had to breakthrough a 24-inch brick wall then cut through a 24-inch steel virt kl pipe which they shimmied into continuing for a significant distance until cutting another hole making their way into the city sewer. when they reached the manhole, they had to cut through a steel lock and chain, finally disappearing into the neighborhood about a block away from the prison. but not before leaving the racially offensive drawing for prison officials on a post it reading "have a nice day." >> it is clear they had help. there's no way power tools don't just materialize inside prison cells. this has been being planned for a long time. >> reporter: so again the key question here how were they able to carry out the nice plans. and of course priority trying to find the two individuals considered by authorities extremely dangerous. we mentioned some of the details on the wrap sheets of the folk of richard matt and david sweat, which is interesting here. i reached out to the sheriff's department which is south of here they -- the search for them is quite personal. you see sweat was convicted of shooting one of their deputies 22 times. so investigators there had some time to heal since one of their -- really colleagues was gunned down. after speaking to the supervisors they said it tears ownership open the wounds. the main focus is to find them. with the canadian border only 30 miles away there's a real concern they could have left the country by now. >> all right. polo sandoval thank you. police used maison trying to break up angry crowds at the hip-hop r&b concert last night. watch. [ siren ] >> investigators say some people were trying to jump fences and forced their way into a sold out summer jam concert at metlife stadium. witnesses say the people did have tickets but got frustrated by slow security lines. several arrests were made. a summer pool party in an upscale neighborhood ends with police under fire and a texas community outraged. it started all of pool goers became upset that some teen showed up without a pool pass for a bitter day party. some kind of altercation took place, and that's when police were called in. watch. >> i told you stay! stay on the ground. on the grass. >> you can see the mckinney police officers are telling 14 and 15-year-olds to stay, i mean you see that officer has this exchange with this 14-year-old girl, she's in a bikini bikini. supposedly she said something like stop talking -- she back talked him and he threw her to the ground. then you'll eventually see he puts her face down on the ground -- well actually you just saw it. and then he'll stand up after he subdues this girl. a couple of boys try to rescue the girl and then the officer pulls a gun on the teenagers trying to help this young lady. >> all right. we're going to bring in ed davis, a former police commissioner from boston and cnn analyst. sorry sir. sorry about the delay. just in viewing that video tape what goes through your mind? >> well, i would agree with the chief connelly that there is some troubling behavior there that has to be reviewed. when you go to a situation like this the police job is to establish order out of chaos. you get called to chaotic situations all the time and the ideal thing is to come in with a calm demeanor and get things calmed down and get people moving along and out of the area. you don't want to make a lot of arrests. you want to break up the party and get people to leave. clearly this officer got emotionally involved in what was happening. he had -- he didn't have the control that is necessary to do his job properly. >> i want to show you a series of scenes from what happened that day. this is how the officer arrived at the scene. hopefully we'll see him rolling. look at that. it's like he's rambo and arriving on the scene. what do you make of that? >> well, it's hard to understand what caused that. did he trip? it looks like he was running up to the scene and, you know, that's problematic to begin with. this is not a shooting incident or an incident where his life is in danger. as i said you should be walking in there cool calm and collected and not let yourself get caught up in the excitement of the moment. and, you know, from looking at this that clearly didn't happen. so, you know we do hire human beings. police officers are hired from the humanitarian race. they have all the issues that anybody has when they're turning their lights and siren on and driving to a call and sometimes they get a little excited. and i know it would appear as though that's what happened here. i think the police department has to step in at this point in time look at the training officers are receiving, look at the supervision they're receiving at the scene. there were a bunch of other officers there that acted appropriately that were doing exactly what should have been done and so the question is why did this officer act so far off the charts? well let's go back to this young girl in the bikini that the officer had to subdue i suppose. what was going through his mind? because, i mean, viewers couldn't see or hear what she said to the officer as she was walking away but he grabbed her arm and pulled her back and slammed her to the ground. was that proper? >> no it clearly wasn't proper. you know most police officers in the situation like that the last thing they want to do is make an arrest. they want to try to, you know move people along and end the problem without having to do the paperwork, frankly. this officer, for some reason reacted very badly. you know she might have said something to him that old adage of contempt of cops sometimes plays a role. it is hard to say until you analyze the video clearly. clearly the police chief is doing that. the officer has been suspended from duty and will be dealt with appropriately. the real challenge here carol, is to make sure this doesn't happen again with the police department. to improve the training and the supervision so if there is an officer that starts to act out like this his colleagues will try to pull him under control before it gets to the point where he's pulling a firearm in a situation where it's just totally inappropriate. >> all right. ed davis former police commissioner from boston. thank you very much for your insight. coming up world leaders tackling major issues like isis and climate change. what will the president have to say about it? 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>> a little surprising but encouraging. lindsey graham is trying to find space on the republican primary stage and it is huge. only ten people will make the cut. saying something that opens himself up to a wide ragenge of republicans is important. where his brand is being hawkish on war. it opens him up. i'm it's courageous. >> scott walker was not as open. he was looking mash ingmacho as he road his harley. if the supreme court decides that's unconstitutional. which is kind of weird, ron. >> yeah good morning, carol. my take on this is if you want to enter the institution of marriage. if you want to have your wife and husband boss you around and tell you who is in charge and recognize it is not you. i welcome them all to the party. let's be real. i think in the united states today and around the world, if two people find a way to love each other and spend time with each other, i'm for it. i don't know that we necessarily -- the supreme court and our judicial system weighing in on this. >> really? >> yeah. really. i think, look i agree with lindsey graham. i'm a traditional marriage kind of guy, but i understand i believe the two people committed to each other should have the opportunity to be with each other. >> but the supreme court shouldn't rule on such an issue? >> i think it is best left to the states. ic if there is a reason why states are given the authority and the areas not seated by the federal government. let the states decide. i don't think this is a big huge deal that the republicans are in this. look it was bill clinton who signed the defense of marriage act who defined marriage being between a man and woman. why don't we ask the former president's wife hillary clinton who has been largely silent what she thinks. >> i think hillary clinton is not about the issue. >> she has. >> i was going to say, first, i think it is problematic to hold a female candidate accountable for what her husband said or did hillary clinton has been clear she thought the defense of marriage act and the act, i'm sorry, i'm blanking now, was wrong. and the answer specifically did you agree with what bill clinton did. she said no. they asked bill clinton and he said i made a mistake and got it wrong. i think it is frustrating sometimes to hear people say, hey, i agree with marriage for everybody but let's leave it up to the states. that's de facto way of puntding. if we leave it to the state it is ain't going to happen. >> it might be a punt for you. i happen to be a lawyer and schooled in the tenth amendment. that's what i believe. and as far as the common looking at people's spouses. if the new york times find it is going to talk about senator rubio's wife's parking tickets -- >> i think it is wrong. >> i think it is fair game to ask a former secretary of state, a former first lady whose husband signed the deference of marriage act into law what her stance is on the issue and have her elaborate about what she thinks. she largely has been silent. i think. >> there's -- i don't want to get too far on the issue. there's a distinction between saying i'm going to ask her because she's running for president and i'm going to ask her because she's the president's wife. i agree with you she should be asked the questions. hillary clinton should be held to great scrutiny on the question. i'm glad there's a mix here and it's not drawn on partisan lines. people like scott walker are saying one thing and lindsey graham saying another. i think it is an important conversation to have. it may decide who becomes president. >> on the subject of hillary clinton, republican senator joan any joni ernst took a shot at hillary clinton. take a listen. zblild say >> i would say, hillary, it's not enough to be a woman. you have to care about women's issues and women's issues here in iowa that we have a strong economy. we have jobs that our sons and daughters can go off to someday. we have a great educational system and women want strong national defense. >> women do care about those issues but i would say a sizable number of women care about equal pay and child care. so from a male voter perspective, how does clinton's talk of all things women play with male voters ron? >> i just don't like it carol. i don't care what your race is. i don't care what your gender is. i don't care what plumbing you have. i want to know what is between your ears. what are your specific issues. where do you stand on the issues? how do you make america strong and promote the economy and the talk about hillary clinton that somehow people should support her because he's a woman. i think that is great but that is not a major qualification for the office. how are you going to be the most powerful president in the world and lead america forward are the questions we need to ask. >> on the other hand according to politico 60% of clinton's donors are women. way more than than in 2008. it's working out for her that way >>well it certainly is working. i think people are saying it is time to have a female president. and i think they want to push hillary into that space. the other piece is there are people on the left who are divided between obama and hillary clinton. there is no strong competition for hillary clinton right now. but let me be clear, i agree with mr. christie here. i don't think we should elect a woman because she's a woman. i don't think we should elect a black person because they're black. i think we should elect a person because they represent our interests. i'm not a hillary clinton cheerleader, but i think her work does speak to the interest of women. i think that's why many women are finding her candidacy resonate. i think it is a powerful thing. she would have said to ernst that being a woman is not fair enough. hillary clinton needs to have the answers. >> got to leave it there. thank you so much. still to come he was convicted of the negligent killing of his girlfriend but we're hearing oscar miss or it use could soon get out of jail. we're following the story from south africa. >> he's a para olympian star fallen from grace. oscar os oscar pistorius might be released after serving ten months of his sentence. this allergy season, will you be a sound sleeper, or a mouth breather. well, put on a breathe right strip and instantly open your nose up to 38% more than allergy medicines alone. so you can breathe and sleep. shut your mouth and sleep right. breathe right. did you know that meeting your daily protein needs actually helps to support your muscle health? 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i don't know. >> beyond the fight downtown there's no denying chicago faces an uphill battle. the murder rate on a startling pace 161 people killed so far this year. one reason why spike lee and star john cue sack a chicago native believe this movie is important. for now spike lee isn't taking any questions about the film but did give a statement last month. >> a lot of people have -- about so the-called title of the film. know nothing about the movie. >> it is vitally important we try to protect the next generation of kids. give them hope and the opportunity so they can contribute to society. >> a hallmark of all spike lee's films. in this case an entire city is waiting to see if the title gets in the way of that message. brian young, cnn chicago. >> all right. chicago tribune film critic joins me now. michael, welcome. >> good morning, carol. >> good morning. i think that -- well baltimore is probably relieved that spike lee isn't making balliraq. i don't know. >> what is that? i'm sorry. >> no >> why chicago? when there are so many cities that are experiencing violent crime or upswings in violent crime? >> i know what you mean. you could set a story like this and we don't know what the story is as we just heard. spike lee is not telling anybody yet the real, you know narrative specifics at all, but it certainly could be set anywhere from new york to oakland to south central. you know that's not site specific but, of course the title is site specific. i guess the thing i find a little ironic is that ever since the movies learned to talk and then shoot, this city has been synonymous with vice and crime and, you know, right back to "scar face" in the early '30s with the bootlegging wars. this is not a new problem for chicago in terms of its image on film but i think a lot of overreaction so far, frankly carol, on this title is just kind of touchy insecure, second city paranoia frankly, and i'm a native and i can say that. >> really you think it's overreaction? so you think spike lee was surprised by the reaction chicagoans had to the possible name of this movie? >> that's a good point. i think everybody connected with "chiraq," if that is in fact the title going forward, was a little taken aback at how strong not just one but two aldermen biel and burns, saying take the tax breaks away. rahm emanuel, the mayor, saying i do not like this title. i think it's honestly we just need to see what's going to happen with this thing. this thing so far has been described as everything from a musical comedy, which it could be. it's going to have a fair amount of music apparently to a hard hitting kind of portrait of gang violence. we do not know yet, and all i can hope as a critic is that it's got one-tenth of the juice and purpose of something like "do the right thing," which has been a long time since spike lee has made a film of that impact. >> and i think that that helped change things. so maybe this movie if it's not a musical -- i'm just trying to imagine in my mind what a musical called "chiraq" would be like and i can't wrap my mind around it at this point but maybe the movie will help if it deals seriously with violence in our major cities. >> right, right. we don't know. we don't know yet how -- you know what the seriousness, the purpose of this film is. we only knew a few facts. we know nick cannon plays a rapper named "chiraq." we know john cusack plays a character inspired by father fleeinger, a south side catholic activist. we know a few of those narrative details that spike lee has maybe leaked out just occasionally but i think what he wants right now is just simply to kind of proceed, make this thing, and then, you know force the public to decide on the film's merits pro or con. the title, of course is a lightning rod. it's as if "do the right thing" had been entitled "light the match." that's how incendiary it is. and he knows it he knows he has a hot, controversial title. can the film deliver something other than just the title. we don't know what the tone of the film is how much music there is. we don't know yet. i'm for one very eager to find out how it turns out. >> me too. i'm intrigued even more now after talking with you. thank you so much. still to come in the "newsroom," a new twist in the soccer scandal. russia and qatar could lose their world cup bids if there's proof of bribery. does that mean the u.s. gets a shot at hosting the event? 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indian ocean. that's where investigators are headed for a closer look at a piece of airplane debris that could be part of malaysian airlines flight 370. reunion island is a long way from the area where search crews are looking for the missing jetliner. malaysian airlines issued a statement saying it is way too soon to speculate if the debris found could be part of the plane. cnn's brian todd has the latest. >> reporter: it's reported to be almost eight feet long three feet wide and maybe the most tantalizing clue in the 17-month-old mystery of mh370, this metallic debris which appears to be from a large plane was discovered off the coast of reunion island in the western indian ocean near madagascar. now the race is on to see it is from flight 370. after one official said the part seen here in local media appears to be an airline wing flap. it would be part of mh-370. the number of triple sevens that crashed in this area are minuscule at best. >> one says it is too soon to say if it is part of the missing plane. >> many have serial numbers attached to the parts which are riveted on to that part. a look to see if it traces back to a boeing plane or any other type of plane. >> plight 370 disappeared after taking off on march 8th 2014 bound for beijing but never made it, vanishing without a trace. sparking an international search that continues to captivate the world. authorities know the plane veered off course. but don't know why the boeing 777 with 239 people on board made a dramatic turn over the sea and don't know where the plane's journey ended. using satellite data search officials calculated it went down in the southern indian ocean and most recently have been combing an area of the ocean floor 1,000 miles of perth australia, 700 miles from where the debris was found. now investigators and scientists are calculatinging if pieces of the plane could have drifted that fwaur. >> experts stress other planes have crashed in the area and this piece could be from one of them. contacted by cnn, boeing would only say it is continuing to provide technical expertise to the search teams. brian todd, cnn, washington. >> we heard brian todd there. so many unknowns in the investigation. we know the location of the debree may possibly match up with drift modeling done by the australians. i'm not alone when i say we need to be cautious. >> absolutely. a lot of caution and sensitivity. what you have is 239 families watching this very closely. nobody wants to get this wrong. it will take time. it will take collaboration between the australians and boeing and the french and pos my malaysia the americans. they want to get it right. i had a chance to talk to the top australian investigator the aft bureau what he said is that where this debris was pick ed up is not inconsistent with the search search zone. 2500 miles away. the distance from new york to los angeles. the drift modeling and i think we have a graphic from a local professor in perth we can show you, it is consistent with a piece of debris making its way from the potential search zone in the blue area and up and around across the indian ocean in to the red area. they are cautioning this is one of the possibilities but the chief of the transport investigation agency says it is not inconsistent with where they are looking right now. >> it is possible that debris the flaperon could have ended up there. this is a complicated investigation. this is an american plane, a boeing plane. the debris was found in french waters. the australians have said they will be the ones to examine the black boxes. what is the role of malaysia in the investigation do you think? this. >> this is a malaiselation investigation, malaysian airlines and they have been working closely with the australians on the search efforts and also with china. the majority of the passengers on board mh370 were headed from kuala lumpur to beijing. they were chinese nationals. two things at play here. this is beyond the time window of identifying whether the piece is from mh370. there's still the question of finding the plane and the passengers. we have heard this from family members over the past few hours. australian investigators are saying there's very slim chance this could provide clues. it basically will not narrow down that search area even if this is confirmed to be from the aircraft. finding the plane and the passengers and after that it is uncovering what happened so that it could potentially never happen again. that's huge ponceability. not only weighing on the shoulders of malaysia but international partners looking at this. they do not want to get this wrong. >> they certainly have to be cautious. this debris a lot more debris could be floating. david molko, thank you so much. let's try to get a few more answers here. the chief correspondent is joining us from sydney. we are hearing from boeing this is a piece of debris from triple seven. we know mh370 is a triple seven. the only one listed missing in the world right now. you fill out the rest. >> let's taugs caution about it. it is absolutely exactly identified. if we assume it is part of the malaysian airlines aircraft it is certainly a major breakthrough in the search. however, we have to keep this in perspective. we have to realize this is not going to answer the major questions about this mystery. it's not going to tell us what happened. it's not going to tell us how it happened. it is not going to tell us precisely where the rest of the aircraft is. so we have to keep that in mind when we are looking at this discovery. >> what does it tell us? >> well with it will absolutely give the investigators once they are able to take a look at this rubbish, for instance they will probably be able to eliminate the possibility of an explosion. if there was an explosion, the aircraft broke up in the midair there would be signs on this piece if an explosion had taken place. if it is apart from the barnacles they found on it because it has been so long in the ocean it was in relatively good condition, it would seemingly point to the aircraft have been pancaked in to the ocean in one piece and that perhaps some pieces broke off as it hit the ocean. it will show there was not a catastrophic breakup of the aircraft. >> are you surprised i it is this lone piece found so far? normally this kind of debris would travel in clusters at least, wouldn't it? there should be more pieces out there? >> of course it depends how large the debris field was in the first place. i'm not surprised. they found one piece. i imagine -- i'm sure now the investigators and the french police the authorities in reunion will be searching the shores of all of those islands looking for further debris. it wouldn't surprise me if other parts were found on beaches in that area. >> the bottom line is that everyone saying it is a breakthrough big clue but not going to reverse engineer it because the currents are tricky and it will give us a general idea. the bottom line is they may never find the bulk of the debris of mh370. >> i disagree with that. i think they will eventually find mh370. i think even then there will be an issue finding out what happened even if they retrieve the black boxes. the fact is the black boxes will only record the last hour or hour and a half of this flight. it will not show what happened when the aircraft diverted on the flight to beijing. it will show whether human hands were involved in controlling this aircraft in the last period of its flight. >> at least it dispels some of the crazy theories out there. the lane was hijacked, on an island somewhere. we know that much. that's some certainty. tom, it's always good to speak to you. >> i want to bring in our meteorologist meteorologist. you were talking about how the indian ocean giers andyres could have ended up 2500 miles from where the initial search area was. >> a long ways away. generally that's the case. we can talk about the global ocean currents here and generally they move in a certain direction. things get a little trickier here. we will show you the difference here. set the stage and show you what we are talking about. the search area remains to the west of australia. as we fly you closer here this is the arc they have been searching here. this is the best case where they think the debris field is lying there. it is a large search area. the debris was found upwards of 2,647 miles away. that has been over a year now. this thing has been floating out there and has been influenced by the ocean currents at this point here. the ocean currents there are five gyres across here because of the circular nature. the gyres do so as well. the piece found on the beach on the coast was large enough buoyant enough to be carried by these gyres which control essentially the first 300 meters or so above the ocean current here. one we are particularly interested in is the indian ocean gyre and southern hemisphere. and things move toward the left in the southern hemisphere. wind direction, ocean current will be deflected toward the left here. on the northern side of the indian ocean gyre here is what we are talking about, everything is moving west. generally things undulating toward though west with. there are nuances with the ocean currents here. generally we have a west ward motion here. if you talk about reverse engineering it's going to be tricky. you have some eddies here as well. i think their best guess is where they have been looking over the last year and a half here. may not tell us much here but it is at least one of the pieces in the puzzle as far as the wreckage is concerned. thank you, ivan. >> so many twists and turns but as soon as they identify the serial numbers on that piece of debris hopefully -- >> an update on another malaysian airliner which was brought down this time we head to the united nations. >> just as a recap to what happened mh 17 was shot down in territory held by pro russian separatists. all 298 on board were killed. still to come here a u.s. police officer facing murder charges after shooting a driver during a traffic stop. his the story his body camera tells as the officer defends his actions. to zimbabwe a man accused of helping a hunter kill a famous lion have appeared in court. we will have the latest an the worldwide outrage it has triggered. stay with us. look at that beautiful hotel on tripadvisor. wait. why leave the site? 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[ buzzing ] bundle bee coming! it was worth it! saving you a bundle when you bundle -- now, that's progressive. welcome back. an update on the breaking news. a piece of airplane wreckage found off the coast of reunion nield the western indian ocean, not far from madagascar. a source tells cnn it appears to be a part of the boeing 777 the same model of malaysian airlines flight 370. >> as a recap the plane disappeared last march, march 8th on a trip from call lacall la lum pure ba /* -- if this is the piece of the wing the thread of hope i have been holding on to will have to break. reality will have to take over. but up until now, i am and most of the family members have continued to believe until we have a body we can't give up hoping they will come back. i can't imagine what they are going through. we know they are sending a team of investigators to reunion island to get a closer look. >> out spoken since first started and maybe she will get the closure clearly not easy. to the united states where a former police officer in the state of ohio is expected in court in the coming hours. he will be facing murder charges. a grand jury indicted ray tensing in the shooting death of 43-year-old samuel dubose. >> this shooting in cincinnati was captured on tensing's body camera during a traffic stop. this video may be disturbing. >> i'm going to ask you again, do you have your license on. >> i have my license. you can check my name. >> you don't have a license on you? i'm asking you a direct question do you have your license on you? >> why did you pull me over? >> again, the front tag. >> it is not legal to have a front tag in cincinnati. >> actually it is. i'm going to can you again, do you have your license on. >> i have a license you can run it again again. >> is that on you. >> i i don't think i have it on me. >> be straight up with me are you suspended? >> i'm not suspended. >> okay why don't you have your license on you? >> okay. until i can figure out if you have a license, g ahead and take your seat belt off. >> i didn't do anything. >> ahead and take your seat belt off. ired from his job. the 25-year-old turned himself in to authorities after the indictment. tensing says he feared for his life and thought dubose was going to run him over. >> the prosecutor says tensing is making an excuse for a purposeful killing. >> i have been doing this for over 30 years. this is the most asinine act i have ever seen a police officer make. totally unwarranted. it was an absolute tragedy in the year 2015 that anyone would behave in this manner. >> a small number of people gathered on wednesday night outside of a cincinnati courthouse calling for justice for dubose . we will move to another story which has been breaking earlier today. his death had been long rumored but now the afghan government said the founder of the taliban is dead. they say mullah omar died in karachi pakistan two year ago after an unknown illness. >> two weeks ago, the taliban released a statement attributed to omar. the terror group claimed he was still its leader earlier this year. >> two men accuse of helping an american hunter kill zimbabwe's famous lion appeared in court today. both say they are innocent. >> the american hunter a dentist, his name is walter palmer. he said he didn't know the killing of the lie yn was illegal and because of the backlash from the incident he appears to have gone in to hiding as our ryan young reports. >> reporter: where is dr. walk wither j. palmer? >> i'm so disgusted with that man to shoot any lion. but a lion like that, lure it out of the preserve and shoot him. i mean how could anyone think that is sport? just appalling. >> reporter: cnn tried to find him at his minneapolis home but no one answered the door. in fact he has gone underground after releasing this statement which read in part "i deeply regret my pursuit of an activity that i love and rack 'tis responsibly and legally resulted in the taking of this lion. >> preserves are meant to preserve wildlife not lure them off and poach them. >> a wealthy dentist from minneapolis is under a torrent of criticism after a conservation group alleged that dr. palmer and his guides lured cecil out of the park sanctuary and shot it with a bow and arrow, pursuing the animal 40 hours before killing, skinning and beheading him, all for a trophy kill. authorities say palmer paid at least $50,000 for the hunt. >> now the dentist with a practice and a home this this upscale neighborhood finds himself hunted as questions remain of whether he will face charges in zimbabwe. t documents show an individual, the same as the dentist was put on probation for killing a black bear in wisconsin and then lying to u.s. fish and wildlife services about it. he pleaded guilty got probation and paid a $3,000 fine. in zimbabwe conservation officials say the hunters tried to destroy the research tracking collar cecil wore. these two men seen here have been arrested for the slaying. a professional hunter and landowner released on $1,000 bail. both facing upwards of ten years in jail. their attorney says they are innocent. dr. palmer says he relied on their expertise as guides to "ensure a legal hunt." >> it is a bad image for africa and shouldn't be condoned. i think action should be taken. >> reporter: back state side questions remain of what is to become of dr. palmer? 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that's where they have to look at the currents and see if in fact ocean currents were strong enough to push it to reunion island and give us us maybe the first physical piece of what happened to this missing plane. >> thauz that was our tom foreman there. if the plane debris is from a triple seven she is fairly confident it is from mh370. i spoke to her a while ago. >> there haven't been that many plain plane crashes there. one in 2009 if this part was from that plane crash. that was not a boeing plane and not a triple seven. it would have been much more water damage and more covered with barnacles. by process of elimination it certainly seemed to point to the malaysia airlines plane. >> the flaperons, this piece of debris that was found, the flaperon a combination of the flaps and the alerons that are used to turn the plane and take off and landing, does that tell us anything of what could have happened here? >> it can. obviously if you have the flaps extended if they are down it gives a greater surface area and more lift. it is important in landing. you have to put the flaps down and for take off you have to have them set in a certain area too. clearly the plane wasn't taking off. some might suggest if this flap was down that perhaps the plane was in some sort of a landing configuration or trying to get extra lift or thought they would have to make a water landing or the complete opposite. that the plane was on auto pilot and no one was controlling it and it was part of a stall. in other words, the plane had lost the speed that it needed to go forward and it was spiraling down and turning. >> initially the search area was focused off of australia. now it has been found, a piece of debris potentially, i want to emphasize it could be been found near madagascar. does that tell us where other pieces of debris could also be? >> well there are two schools of thought. one is that it traveled the two to three thousand mile actress the search area with the currents. the currents are strong. the currents would be taking the pieces in that direction. however, if i was directing a search i wouldn't want to rely on that. i probably would go back out and search in the areas closer to the point where there's washed ashore to -- and certainly comb the shores of the area and look at the shores along africa to see if there are any parts of any other countries on the other side of the island. and madagascar as well. because, you know parts can travel long distances. and i have had plane crash investigations that i have worked on that they have washed up years later. i'd want to look a little closer to the reunion island. >> finally, mary, what sort of closure are will this debris bring to those 239 families do you think if it is indeed part of mh370? >> you know i have had the opportunity to speak to many many of them. they have reached out for information. you know it will bring information and it will of course let them know if this is a piece of the plane where the plane finally did come to rest in to the ocean. but closure isn't really real for them and will never be because there are too many unanswered questions and mysteries. they have never had an opportunity to lay their loved ones to rest. i don't think they will ever have closure but this will answer an important question of where are they? >> those families may indeed never have any closure. mary schavio speaking to me earlier there. the former inspector general of the u.s. department of transportation. john? >> about 3500 migrants have tried to cross the channel tunnel from france to the united kingdom in the last two days. french official says nine migrants have died since june attempting this dangerous journey. some risked their lives by hopping fences and trying to jump on to trucks or trains which then take them to the u.k. many of these migrants are from africa as well as the middle east. the u.s. now where secretary of state john kerry is facing tough questions from senate republicans over the iran nuclear diehl deal. >> barbara starr has more on heated exchanges on capitol hill including one with a republican presidential candidate. >> they can walk they can legally walk from this agreement. >> the fireworks over the iran nuclear deal getting hotter each day. >> why on earth didn't we insist as a condition press dense to getting any deal at all that iran for the love of god cease and desist from its terrorist ambitions. >> it would be great and ideal if one could negotiate that. we felt we had to keep this targeted on the greatest threat of all that you have just defined which is the potential of their having a nuclear weapon. >> a stunning revelation from the chairman of the joint chiefs. revealing his view on a key part of the agreement which lifts sanctions on ballistic missiles in eight years and lifts sanctions against conventional arms trade in five. >> when you became before the committee then you said under no circumstances should we relieve pressure on iran on those issues. was it your military recommendation that we not agree to lifting of those sanctions? 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"rolling stone" retracted the story after questions arose over the magazine's reporting and the article was then discredited. the nfl players association filed an appeal in u.s. federal court on pe half of new england patriot star tom brady. it comes a day after the league upheld his suspension for allegedly using under-inflated footballs during a playoff win earlier this year. on wednesday, patriots owner robert kraft ripped in to the decision calling it unfathomable. >> i was wrong to put my face in the league. given the facts, evidence and laws of science that underscore this entire situation, it is completely incomprehensible to me that the league continues to take steps to disparage one of its all-time great players and a man for whom i have the upmost respect. personally this is very sad and disappointing to me. >> brady is maintaining his innocence. he released a statement on facebook saying in part i did nothing wrong and no one in the patriots organization did either . >> of course brady did have his assistant destroy his cell phone. >> unfathomable. >> on that note we will take a break. when we come back, donald trump doubles down on his criticism of a lawyer who says he called her disgusting. that story is coming up. so what i'm saying is, people like options. when you take geico, you can call them anytime you feel like saving money. it don't matter, day or night. use your computer, your smartphone, your tablet, whatever. the point is you have options. oh, how convenient. hey. crab cakes, what are you looking at? 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i beat her so badly. she's a vicious, horrible person. >> because you are not a politician we don't have your voting record to go on. we don't have -- we have your experience as a businessman and part of your experience are legal issues. i guess the question is -- can i -- >> so many people are on television that don't know me and they are like experts on me. you know when michael jackson died. i knew him very well and everybody was talking about michael jackson. they didn't know him. some of them never met him and i laughed to myself. here they are talking about michael jackson and they never met him. >> but she -- i don't think that anyone is saying she's an expert on donald trump. >> she claims to be. >> she is somebody who is recounting an experience she had. i guesses my question is -- >> is she lost. >> my question is people are looking at that. they are thinking okay if he blows up at a lawyer in a deposition. >> i didn't blow up. >> negotiating what would you do if vlad peer putin challenged you? >> >> oh, believe me. i would do well with him. i get along with people. i didn't blow up at a deposition. i don't blow up. >> so that didn't happen. she is wrong. that didn't happen? >> she made it up. >> trump firing back defending himself. the remark comes on the heels of another controversy surrounding pump. earlier this week one of his top aides and attorneys told "the daily beast" that legally you can not rape your spouse. >> because it's wrong. >> a lot of people upset. trump said he was wrong and later apologized. >> the aide of donald trump said he was wrong and donald trump distanced himself from the aide and says he speaks for himself. donald trump has been keeping a lot of score on candidates within his own party. >> on wednesday one of his rivals responded with an unusual challenge. take a listen. >> mr. trump had a couple of interesting things to say about you. i'd like to get your response to them. he said you don't belong on the debate stage on august 6th. he questioned your energy toughness and quote unquote brain power that it might require to run a successful campaign. what would you say to mr. trump if he were here saying that in your presence? 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and where are passengers? and what really happened? why might something have happened? who are, whose responsible? so these are questions that spring up. it is a very small piece of what should i say, a more evolving emerging scenario here. and to me i think that it raises more questions than it answers at this point in time. now, if the debris turns out to be that of mh-370 it still is an if at this stage, could be the first step in solving one of the greatest mysteries in aviation history. here is brian todd. roipt is >> reporter: it is 8 feet long, 3 feet wide and may be the most tantalizing clue in the 17 month mystery. this metallic debris which appears from a large plane discovered off reunion island in the indian ocean near madagascar. the race is on to see if it is from missing malaysian airlines flight 370 after a french air official said the part seen here in local media appears to be a wing flap. >> if it is 777 it is pretty clear it would be part of mh-378 the number of 777s that crashed are minuscule at best. >> one french official stresses it is way too soon to say if this is part of the missing plane. what do authorities need to examine from this piece of wreckage to possibly come up with a match. >> many parts of boeing airplanes have serial numbers attached to the particular parts riveted on to the particular part. they'll look to see if the serial number traces back to boeing airplane on any type of airplane. in addition to that. you are going to be able to find out, does this part match up with a specific diagram of of parts of the triple 7. >> flight 370 disappeared after taking off on march 8, 2014. bound for beijing. but it never made it. vanishing without a trace. sparking an international search that continues to captivate the world. authorities know the plane intentionally veered off course but say they don't know why the boeing 777 with 239 people on board made a dramatic turn over the sea between malaysia and vietnam. and they don't know exactly where the plane's journey ended. using satellite data search officials calculated the plane went down in southern indian ocean. most recently been combing an area of ocean floor 1,000 miles west of perth, australia, 2,700 miles from where this debris was found. now investigators and scientists s are cal cue lagt if pieceku calculating. >> it is definitely possible it could have drifted that far considering the time in the water. >> reporter: experts stressed other planes have crashed in the area this piece of wreckage could be from one of them. contacted by cnn boeing would say it is continuing to provide technical expertise to the search teams. brian todd cnn, washington. >> now australian officials say finding the debris so far to the west is possible based on their study of ocean currents. cnn's correspondent has been covering the search for mh 370 since the plane vanished he joins us from hong kong. david we should reiterate we don't have confirmation yet this is mh-370. we do have encouraging information that makes this a very strong possibility, just tell us what officials are telling you. >> errol, encouraging have to say caution is still the word of the day here. a lot of stake holders in this. they do not want to get this wrong, errol. there has been so much that has gone into the search. arguably the most expensive search for the plane in history. one of the greatest mysteries as well of all time. remember they have had nothing to go on. not a single piece of physical evidence. in fact the whole search area was determined by a number of satellite handshakes. you know communication between the plane and a satellite. what we are hearing though from australian officials, specifically the top transport safety investigators, name is martin dolan, the discovery of this potential debris is not inconsistent with where they have been looking. the search area some 2,000 miles off the coast of australia. it is not inconsistent with that a local oceanographer who has been looking at mh-370 studying the southern ocean since the plane went down and well before has done some modeling. i think we have a graphic we can show you of that. also not inconsistent the debris over 17 months could have made its way across the indian ocean, driven by currents from the east. across to the west. the question though errol, there are a lot of unknowns here. there is cautious optimism on the part of australia that they're still looking in the right place. this underwater search will continue. again they do not want to get this wrong. >> this information as encouraging as it is coming some 17 months after the plane went missing. what about the families of the many victims, so many of them already complained about the language the way they have been treated the entire time by officials from the airline, and various nations have you heard any reaction from them so far today? >> errol, we can'not forget the 239 passengers and crew on board the flight and 239 families who at this point more than 500 days after this plane disappeared, are still waiting for answers. are still waiting for any thread of proof of what happened. to the missing malaysian airlines flight. sarah bayjack, partner phillip wood one of the passengers on the plane. she spoke to anderson cooper a short time ago. here's what she said. >> if ultimately this is a piece of the wing that that little thread of hope i have been holding on to will have to break. and reality will have to take over. yeah up until now i and most of the family members have continued to believe that until we have a bedody we cannot give up hoping that they will still come back. >> errol, listening to sarah there it is certainly clear why the search team thousands, why the investigators, australians involved malaysia involved french aviation investigators, bea, the ntsb out of the united states all looking at this boeing to see if they can determine one way or another. if it is from mh-370. lots of question bees ynds beyond that. will it help if they trace it back. figure where the plane went down. their rote search area. australian officials say unlikely. the search for the passengers and the plane continues today. some 2,000 miles off the coast of australia. errol. >> cannot forget with 239 passengers crew you have literally hundred of families around the world right now watching this so closely hoping to get some answers. david will be connecting with us throughout the day from hong kong. david, thank you. at this moment we want to turn to greg waldron, asian manage editor for "flight global" joins us live from singapore to talk about what a very encouraging development, i want to find out from you, based on scarce info we have now. how confident are you that this is in fact mh-370? >> well it seems consistent with the flaperon of a 777, aircraft. the size is right. this would probably be a part of the aircraft that would float assuming it got loose from the plane when it hit water. it is interesting to find this. there is still so many unanswered questions about the disaster. i've don't think it helps us very much in terms of resolving this mystery. >> just looking at the flaperon by itself, seeing it alone doesn't necessarily give us any answers. it is possibly part of the wing. buoyant enough to float through the indian ocean and get there to reunion island. what does that at the very least tell us about the plane debris? if anything? >> well with these types of crashes you are going to see about 90% or more of the aircraft actually sink to the, you know the sea floor. there could be other bits and bobs floating around. maybe pieces of the wing. other pieces of material. maybe, you know, livefe jackets that kind of thing could theoretically be floating around there. could be. such a long time since the crash in the ocean so vast. could be a while before we find anything. the debris field is probably expanded immensely since the crash obviously. >> we have malaysian officials literally racing to get to reunion island. preliminarily does look like a part of a boeing 777. you confirmed there. if and when it is confirmed as part of mh-370. how will that change the search if at all? >> not sure how much they can do. it has been again so long since the crash. and i imagine modeling ocean currents could be extremely difficult. we have seen certain graphics publications to show this is not inconsistent with the crash off the coast of -- western australia. so -- while this does dismiss some of the more bizarre conspiracy theories i don't think it gets us that much closer to actually locating the keys to the investigation which are the flight data recorder and the cockpit voice recorder which are absolutely essential for the understanding of the disaster. >> all right. well piece of debris that is being analyzed as we speak. greg waldron, asian managing editor for "flight global." thank you for joining us today from sing pour.apore. >> a look at how this piece of debris could cross the indian ocean. our meteorologist joins us with a barackdown breakdown of how that could happen. ivan cabrera. >> how it got to the island rather than tracing it back to where it originated from. that's what we want. that will be the tricky part. show you the ocean currents and how complicated they are in a second. what we are talking about. this is australia. this is the search area. continues. fly you in closer. be able to see we are talking about 4,000 kilometers away. from the search area. there is reunion island. there is where the debris was found. the gires are driven by global circulation party in the atmospheres here. the air pushing the water. in the north atlantic we have the north atlantic and north pacific gire counter clockwise circulation, because of the way the coreolis force works anything deflected to the right. southern hemisphere the other way around. things are deflected to the left here. when we talk about the indian ocean here on the northern flank of that we see things moving from east to west. so specifically certainly we can, trace the event from the crash site and the debris and it is going to be moving to the west. remember talking to a colleague when this first occur. if we don't find the debris field. this will eventually land on some kind of island or shore and that is exactly what happened here. as far as tracing it back they're going to be doing complicated, that is ongoing. errol. doing some drifting modeling to trace back where the debris would have come from lead us to the crash site which is still the big mystery. whether this debris is the one that is going to got us back there remains to be seen. at least we are beginning to move in the right direction. as you mention now we can put away all the other theories that were floating out there. >> all right. ivan cabrera there. showing us how some of the gires play into this. thank you very much. see you again soon. ever since mh-370 vanished a year ago, loved ones of those on board have been waiting desperately for answers. there have been a number of theories as to what happened to the plane. and our sara sidner has more. >> reporter: good night malaysian 370. the last word anyone would hear from the ill-fated flight causing unimaginable grief. and unleashing theories from the technical to the sinister. among them the pilot crashed the plane on purpose. investigators looked into whether suicide could have been a reason ultimately the international independent investigation committee said it found no indications that would cast suspicion on him or the crew. terrorism. did some one commandeer or hijack the plane to crash it. experts are divided on thisser to. but hijackers, usually have clear demand. that never materialized. and no terrorist group claimed responsibility which led investigators to believe those options are not viable. the plane landed somewheres as the the months ticked by and no pieces of the plane were discovered. some speculated it was possible the plane had landed. but no communications from the people on board or hijacked demands made that seem less pos but. mechanical failure, a theory that a catastrophic mechanical failure brought the air craft down is still being kidded.considered. rapid decompression. the cabin loses pressure and passengers and crew become unconscious. plane on autopilot flies until it runs out of fuel and crashes. without evidence, they are all just theories leaving grieving families in limbo wondering what happened to those they lost. now in addition to those developments about plane debris in the western indian ocean, we are also following news including air tragedy in eastern ukraine. why malaysian officials are dismayed by russia's latest moves. stay with us. shopping online... ...is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers carpenters and even piano tuners... were just as simple? 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resolution to establish an international tribunal to prosecute those suspected of shooting down malaysia airlines flight 17. russia indicated earlier the resolution was premature and too political. that prompted malaysia's transport minister to say this. >> we are deeply disappointed at a failure to adopt and draft a resolution for mh 17 despite our persistent effort to address council members concern and to breach our differences. >> mh-17 was shot down over eastern ukraine just over a year ago. all 298 people on bored that flight were killed. in the u.s. a police officer is expected in court in just a few hours to face a murder charge in the shooting death of an unarmed black man. people rallied in cincinnati ohio wednesday for 43-year-old samuel dubose shot and killed during a traffic stop. the shooting was caught on the officer's body camera. we will show it to you here. it is disturbing. officer ray tensing turned himself in. >> i have been doing this for over 30 years. this is the most asinine act i have ever seen a police officer make. totally unwarranted. >> now members of dubose's family of course are grieving but say at the very least they're thankful there was video of the shooting. >> if it were not for that video camera sam would be no different than all the other incidents because the second officer was ready to corroborate every lie that the first officer said in the report. so i just want to be very clear we feel for a lot of families out there. i wasn't even really big on video cameras. every day i am going to be marching for video cameras. because my brother was being prosecuted for frying totrying to kill a police officer, he dragged him, he assaulted him, he gave him alcohol, when there was never an open container of alcohol, he was everything violent because he had children and weed charges. that man shot my brother dead. this would be the same if it were not for that video camera. >> dubose's sister. tensing said he feared for his life and thought dubose was going to run him over. >> to other stories we are following for you. u.s. republican presidential candidate donald trump expected in scotland. the course now called trump turnbury is hosting women's british open begins there today. the second type the championship has been held there. some of trump's critics accused hem of flip-flopping on health care. a big issue in this election. his views have changed over the years to a more conservative stance. in an interview with cnn's dana bash he explained where he stands now. >> health care in this book. you at the time said you were conservative on most use but lb ral on health care. you advocated a single payer system. sort of canadian style. universal health care. what is your position now? >> at the type, iime, i will say this we were having not the difficulty with obama care. obama care is number one, maybe least importantly, costing the country a fortune. also a very bad form very bad. people are losing their plans. they're losing their doctors. doctors, you know one of the biggest problems nobody talks about. doctors are all leaving. leaving the profession. >> do you think the answer is single payer system? >> the answer we have to knock down the borders and let people compete. we do where it may be different than other people. i want to take care of everybody you. have a group of people that aren't able to take care of themselves. >> how do you do that? >> have to work out a deal with hospitals where they can get some help. when they're sick, when they hatch no have no munoney and sick. if a republican, conservative, a very conservative person. if a conservative doesn't like the fact that i have to want to take care of some body if they're really sick and they have no money. i want to help the person. >> how do you do that? >> work out a very very smart deal with hospitals around the country. >> so you are in the oval office you are saying obama care. >> got to go. repeal and replace with 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kidconsidered a key conspirator of 12 bomb blasts that ripped through hotels markets, and buildings, march 12 1993 the deadliest tear railroad attack in india's history. >> the afghan government says the reclusive leader of the taliban is dead. intelligence officials say mullah omar died in a hospital in karachi, pakistan in 2013. death long rumored those the taliban claimed he was in charge of the terror group earlier this year. now at this moment we are getting a feed from australia where warren trust the deputy prime minister is updating the media on developments on what could be a piece of mh370. let's have a listen. >> -- the refvelation that the parts may come from missing malaysia airlines flight 370. operated by a boeing 777. and the photographs suggest parts that are not inconsistent with a boeing 777. but there are other possibilities. people require examination by experts to prove established positively that the parts are indeed from a 777. another step to establish that parts came from 777 that operated mh370. work is being undertaken by various agencies to try and advance that investigation. there is a number on the part bb670. not a serial number or registration number. but it is possible that it could be a maintenance number. and that might help an early investigation. i'm informed it is a realistic possibility that wreckage from -- from mh370, if if the entered the indian ocean in the place where a current search operations are being undertaken could have reached the reunion islands in the 16 months since the incident. indeed areas around madagascar not very far from the reunion island were identified as a likely landfall if indeed there were parts of the aircraft left floating. now this kind of work is obviously -- going to take some time although the number may help to identify the aircraft parts assuming that's what they are. much much much more quickly than what other, otherwise would be the case. on a day look toike today when we receive information about aircraft parts being discovered there is particular stress on the families of the 293 people who lost their lives in this disaster. we thingk especially of them. at an australian level we have sought to make contact with all the families and have in most cases to keep them informed of the latest development and we will continue to ensure that their interests are foremost in the way in which we deal with the issue. i should point out that while australia has a particular responsibility in relation to the search for mh370 on the assumption that we are searching in the australian sea and rescue area the reunion island are french territory. so the responsibility fall primarily investigating this debris rests with the french and of course the malaysians who are the flag carriers of the aircraft. nonetheless, australia has again offered our assistance in this investigation. we have asked the csro and institute of marine research to have a look at the photographs and assess whether the barnacles that are evident in those photographs are consistent with something that was floating in the oceans for 16 months or nor and to give us any other advice that might assist in the examination examination. the information that we have is consistent with the search that's being undertaken at the present time. it supports the -- it supports the -- satellite data and the identification of the area in the southern indian ocean as the most likely place where the aircraft could have entered the waters. of course a piece of debris could have float aid veryed a very very long way in 16 months. and it is a very very long way from the reunion island to to the place where we think the aircraft entered the water. now this obviously a very significant development. it's the first -- real evidence that there is a possibility that a part of the aircraft may have been found. it's too early to make the judgment. clearly we are treating this as a major lead. and seeking to get assurance about what is being found and whether it is indeed linked to the disappearance of mh370. are there any questions. >> well we have taken our own initiative in relation to the foe graphs photographs to make them available to the relative scientific institutions. but the rel vauvens thise information rests with the -- relevance of the information rests with the french and how the evidence is handled and how that can be linked to the work that the malaysians are doing as the flag carrier of aircraft. [ indiscernible question ] >> obviously this is something, this is important news for them. they have waited a very very long time for any kind of news. even this is not yet at ace stage where anything positive can be said to them. and so they have an anxious wait again. and i feel very much for them. they have been through a lot. not knowing, not having the opportunity for closure is certainly an enormous burden for the families. and we respect very much the difficult situations they're going through at the present time. [ indiscernible question ] >> we believe on availability of all right information that is being done that the search area is the right one. we have refined the boundaries of the search area on a number of occasions as ongoing work that is continuing in relation to the satellite data that we have to more precisely locate the -- the resting place of the aircraft. and that work will continue. in the winter, we have been, we haven't been able to main taint same level of intensity in the search. because of the weather conditions are very poor in -- on that part of the planet. but when the weather improves they'll be a major effort. in the same area. that we have been working on in the past. south of the southern part of the identified area and that will remain our target area. if there has been a discovery of any wreckage associated with the aircraft. it is so far away. you can not reverse its path. and with any degree of reliability know that that where the aircraft entered the watern't just too far away. too long ago. and we do know that they is it is it is credible. that that wreckage from the, the search area could have reached the reunion island by now. and so we can't rule it out on those grounds. [ indiscernible question ] >> well it will put some of the theories to bed. but there are a lot of very wild theories that have been around including it landed in russia and it or it's been sighted in places where, way beyond the range of of its fuel. and et cetera. so it will put some of those theories to bed. but it won't positively prove it is in any other location other than i getsuess the indian ocean. okay. >> hivei have one more question. [ indiscernible question ] >> well the approval of the coal miners is for the government the commonwealth has undertaken environmental assessment which is triggered under the epbc act. >> listening to the australian deputy prime minister warren truss update the media on what he calls "credible development at reunion island." a piece of debris could potentially be mh370, the deputy minister there confirming this the first significant lead in the search for mh370, but also reiterating that as this just broke within the past 24 hours, officials in australia are still sharing information with french officials at reunion island and coordination with officials as well. it will take some time to get confirmation. our david malco listening into the press conference joins us now, live from hong kong. one detail that stood out to me david. he said there are a number of markings and numbers on the piece of debris. he actually red out pb-670 one of the markings saying a possible maintenance number. wondering to you what stood out in what we just heard? >> it is interesting, errol. we are getting a lot of detail we weren't hearing before. we had a source saying that they believed that this piece was from a -- triple 7. we heard from a reporter on the ground. that there was a marking on it. a number look you said. what we are hearing from the deputy prime minister in australia -- the face of australia's effort in this. it is not a serial number. not a registration number. could be maintenance number. what this says is investigators and teams from australia, from the u.s. from france from boeing and other places are looking act this extremely closely. they're looking at every detail possible. trying to make a determination. you can imagine this really says this is active happening now. they want to get this right. errol, one thing he mentioned too, australian experts looking at the photographs, looking at the barnacles that are attached to this piece of debris again to see if they can determine how long it may have been in the water or where, where it may have been. errol, the word of the day though continues to be caution. the deputy prime minister there mentioning the families on board. 239 families not knowing what happened is still an enormous burden. errol. >> yeah so many different pieces of evidence that they'll be looking into. that also stood out to me. the fact that they can look at the barnacles and, you know take a look at if it is likely to have been on that piece of debris for the past 17 months you. do get the sense, each with all of this caution that we are layering on all this information. you get the sense that we are going to get an answer to whether or not this is mh370 very soon. live for us in hong kong. watching the latest developments come in on this from around the world. stay with us here on skrchlt nncnn. we're back with more after this. the next great trip, gotta study those tripadvisor reviews carefully. and now, the tripadvisor you have always trusted for reviews now checks over 200 websites to find the best price. book! book! book! book! ♪ ♪ over 200 sites checked to find the best price. so don't just visit tripadvisor, book! at tripadvisor. this is obviously a very significant development. it's the first real evidence that there is a possibility that a part of the aircraft may have been found. it's too early to make that judgment. but clearly we are treating this as a -- as a major lead. and -- seeking to get assurance about what is being found and whether it is indeed linked to the disappearance of mh370. >> australia's deputy prime minister there moments ago. addressing the media as it relates to the -- to the development that a piece of debris on reunion island has been discovered and potentially been that of mh370. one other note the deputy prime minister made although australia is helping in every way it can in the search in the indian ocean. with this development, french and malaysian officials will take the lead in confirming this was mh370. and of course taking the next step. asia pacific editor andrew stevens, arrived in malaysia's capital, kuala lumpur. he joins us on the lynn to giveine to give us that reaction. you have the mh370 and mh17 disasters put a strain not just emotional but financial. wondering how officials there are reacting to news of this possible link? >> well they are being very very cautious about jumping to an conclusions as you would expect errol. the department of aviation has actually put out a statement saying that -- they have sent a team of their own investigators and industry experts to tie in with the french investigators there. and they do say that until there is tangible and irrefutable evidence the flaperon what they're calling it the flaperon, helps the planes to fly, until there is tangible and irrefutable that the flaperon belongs to the aircraft it is premature to speculate at the time. and to say that we don't raise false hopes for loved ones of the victims of mh370. a team is on the way to review the malaysian team on this as you say a very traumatic time for the families and the entire country. given not one but two tragedies, air tragedies in the place of six months in 2014. that really, really just rocked this country. >> so understandable why officials want to be cautious. if we think back a year ago to the initial search there were developments of fings s pings on the ocean floor, that were released that gave families false hope. the deputy prime minister called this lead credible and the first significant lead in the search does add to a bit of optimism. i understand the caution. but do you got a sense that that officials there are encouraged at all. by this lead. >> i think everybody is encouraged if that is the right word. i think moving forward with this. which has so far been a fruitless search. it is a very big step indeed. but for something like this which, which has that serial number on it which may refer to the list. that is all very very key evidence. the family it is interesting. i have been speaking to two, three families here. they're torn. they say we want to get closure. know what happened to our loved ones. we don't face up to the fact that they aren't coming home. these families have been living in home since march 2014. that a miracle will happen. if it is proven if this is a part of mh370. there will not bea miracle, errol. >> andrew stevens is in kuala lumpur our correspondents all over the globe at the key locations and the breaking story, the australian prime minister calling discovery of debris at reunion island a credible and significant lead. we'll be back with more of the breaking story on cnn after this short break. before i had the shooting, burning, pins-and-needles of diabetic nerve pain, these feet grew up in a family of boys... married my high school sweetheart... and pursued a degree in education. but i couldn't bear my diabetic nerve pain any longer. so i talked to my doctor and she prescribed lyrica. nerve damage from diabetes causes diabetic nerve pain. lyrica is fda-approved to treat this pain. lyrica may cause serious allergic reactions or suicidal thoughts or actions. tell your doctor right away if you have these, new, or worsening depression or unusual changes in mood or behavior. or swelling, trouble breathing rash, hives, blisters, muscle pain with fever, tired feeling, or blurry vision. common side effects are dizziness, sleepiness, weight gain and swelling of hands, legs and feet. don't drink alcohol while taking lyrica. don't drive or use machinery until you know how lyrica affects you. those who have had a drug or alcohol problem may be more likely to misuse lyrica. now i have less diabetic nerve pain. and i love helping first graders put their best foot forward. ask your doctor about lyrica. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ [ horn honks melody ] well, well. if it isn't the belle of the ball. gentlemen. you look well. what's new, flo? 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deputy prime minister spoke with reporters moments ago. >> yeah this is obviously a very significant development. it is the first real evidence there is a possibility that a part of the aircraft may have been found. it ties early to make the judgment. we are treating this as a major lead. and get assurance about what is found. and what is linked to the disappearance of mh370. just to put this in context. reunion island is near madagascar. that is a very long way from the area where search crews were looking for the missing jet lean liner. it vanished march last year from a flight from kuala lumpur to beijing with 239 on board. >> cnn's robyn kreal arrived at reunion island. i understand you literally just got there. bring us up to speed. what's the latest from the ground and how exactly did this piece of debris turn up? >> well the piece of debris was picked up by initially, by the, sighted by locals then the police were brought in and seen dragging it on to the beach. what we can tell you the french air force has now, is now investigating into to see if there is more debris. >> if it is confirmed to be part of mh370, which it has not been rather as of yet. a key key part to this -- story is the serial number or whatever that number is etched in on the wing fragment it could be what experts, a serial number aircraft maintenance. and it could belong to a -- a boeing 777. as of yet though no information is indeed the triple 7. indeed, if it does turn out to be a 777. we don't know if there has been a triple 7 aircraft crash in the area. does not appear to be. unlikely it would belong to an other aircraft other than mh 370. >> right. deputy prime minister saying that number could be some kind of maintenance number which they can cross reference and check. that will take some time. but that also speaks to why this moment is so difficult. the australian deputy prime minister calling this a credible and significant lead. but until all of these different agencies can get this information confirmed, we won't be able to help alleviate those concerns of relatives of victims on this aircraft. that this is in fact a piece of -- mh370 what have you heard from some of the relatives of victims on this development? people said they're cautiously optimistic. they had so many false hopes raised from false information. but one family member did say this was a thread of hope. fining a piece of debris like this would if it does indeed turn out to be part of mh370 would make this disaster tangible. it's been a roller coaster. a number of family members have a hard time believing the aircraft could have traveled as far away as the reunion island. very far away from where the plane was originally meant to be on course. as you say, the australian deputy prime minister saying this is this is could be rather a major development or lead. but they're very cautious as well. just to give you a barackdown, errol, of the nationalityies on board, mh370. 239 passengers in total. 152 of those were chinese. six australians. three americans. and 50 malaysians. 15 different nationalities represented in total on board. so a number of family members anxiously waiting to find out what this wing fragment could be. and if it is indeed consistent with mh370. >> so there you have it. officials are cross referencing all the information they have and going as far to look at the barnacles on this piece of debris. robyn kriel with cnn's first live report from reunion island. one of a number of teams we have who arrived there to gather more information on what the deputy prime minister of australia calls a "credible and significant lead" in trying to find this piece of debris. zan. >> i want to go to andrew stevens. andrew covering the story from the very beginning since the plane vanished march of last year. joining us live on the phone from kuala lumpur. we heard robyn kriel reporting that there are people anxiously waiting for what the flaperon could be is it part of mh370? i've want to ask you, can we really learn anything new from this particular piece of debris do you think? >> well at this stage it is certainly the strongest lead that the investigators have had in 16 months. looking for this. no doubt about that. the australian deputy prime minister in the press conference with the photos. mostly the photos. the photos [ indiscernible ] they're not inconsistent with a 777. if you take to and listen to the experts here. so far on those photos. they're all saying the same thing. excuse me. this could actually inform part of -- form part of the flaperon the part of the wing that keeps the wing stable in flight. could be the flaperon of a 777. robyn was saying one 777 unaccounted for at the moment. there is a very very strong lead at the moment. that's all it is. they're still a there is still a long way to go. errol mentioned barnacles. australians are analyzing the barnacles to see how old they are, essentially, had they been in the watter 16 months. that would be a clue. we don't know how long it is going to take to get a positive id with the maintenance number. the australian prime minister said it could take some type. we can't be any more specific than that at the time. >> it could take some time. important to -- i guess, cautiously optimistic. want to talk about malaysia's role in the investigation. the piece was found in a french territory in reunion. american plane. made by boeing. the australians said they have been in charge of the black boxes. what will malaysia's role be in piecing together this mystery do you think? >> they will be across all four and at this point, it is complex with a number of countries now involved with this the french, and the malaysian have sent the team away. sent the team to reunion island to work with the air, french air investigators on the debris. all aspects in the search. led by australia. and down in waters, australia. and the lead investigators. not yet clear where parts of the plane will be taken for, to try to reconstruct what happened to to find out exactly the last few minutes of flight and why it did what it did. so malaysians saying, as well saying particularly. the family. and obviously a sensitive time for the family at the moment. they have been hearing the same things we have been hearing. they're living in hope. they're also -- one way they want closure. they need closure. what can happen to their family member. the other one is facing up to what is going to be possibly a very, very grim truth. going to be very difficult. they are at the moment. >> absolutely. yeah they want closure. but the reality of what could have happened to this plane, certainly very difficult to swallow. okay. andrew stevens. live for us on the phone from kuala lumpur. thank you. errol? >> we want to figure out what we are dealing with here. bringing in jeffrey thomas editor chief, managing director of airlineratings.com. joins us from web cam, perth, australia. thank you, jeffrey. we are trying to be careful because of relatives and victims. not to confirm this. it appears it is a flaperon of a boeing 777, consistent with currents and australian's deputy pm saying the first credible lead in the search for mh370. do you think this is mh370? >> look all of the evidence is certainly pointing that way. while officials are not saying so. in the industry there 'tis a lotis a lot of dialogue discussing aspects of the piece found. it does point very strongly to it being from a 777. although weep must be cautious here. a yemeni airbus crashed in the vicinity in 2809. there is a possibility it could be from that. all technical discussions from engineers around the globe is focusing on the fact it is from 777. >> talk to us more about the technical discussions i guess happening behind the scenes among those who are really experts in all of this. the item the debris we are all looking at now appears to be a flaperon. it appears to have some damage around some of the edges. just explain to us what it is. and based on how it looks now what happened to it? >> a flaperon. two of them. one on each side. midway made wayidway along the wing trailing edge of the wing. they're used to roll the airplane from left off to right. there are sections of those, of the flaperon that you can see. in the imagery which are consistent with a boeing 777 flaperon. that's what everybody is focused on. that's what lead them to believe it is from a 777. >> you did mention a yemen airbus crash in 2009. in the vicinity of where this piece of debris was found. any possibility that those types of models would have this similar piece? >> they have a similar piece, however, and this is the big however, the yemeni airbus a 310, their flaperon is made of aluminum this piece is made by composite material which the boeing 777 is made from. a big difference in the two with respect to damage. they both, they exhibit very different sort of profiles when damaged. and this one is consistent with a composite structure. >> okay. even with that possibility the, the big money i guess is on this being part of a boeing 777. jeffrey thomas, editor-in-chief at airlineratings.com. thank you for joining us from perth. zain? >> we thought it would be the serial number on this piece of flaperon. investigators are saying it's possibly a maintenance number. hoe hope hopefully confirm soon. many of you, wondering if it is possible for debris to drift thousand of kilometers across the indian ocean. our meteorologist ivan cabrera is joining us now. ivan we have been speaking before about the indian ocean, gires, currents that move counter clockwise. that may possibly explain how this piece of debris could have drifted that far? >> yes, certainly consistent with the currents in the indian ocean. no question about it. break that down for you. show you what we're talking about. the search area by the way continues to beep just west of australia. we are talking about a distance now, 2,600 miles. 4,000 kilometers here. you are wondering how debris -- made it all the way to this island which is 2600 miles away here. well that could be explained by ocean currents. likely the debris also hit storms along the way. this is a very slow process. debris getting lofted back towards the east the north. generally the current is toward the west. and that is because the debris would have been under the influence, what we call the indian, ocean gire here. we essentially have five major gires across the planet. global circulation. the wind moving the ocean basically what we are talking about here. in the first 100 meters here. recall in 2011 we had the japan tsunami. the north pacific gire got debris from the tsunami. moved it from japan all the way across the north atlantic. and, excuse me north pacific. and it ended up on some of the shores across northern america here. certainly a possible especially if the debris has enough area to it. if it is light enough. can be carried by the ocean current. focus in on the indian ocean gire. in the southern hemisphere it moves counter clockwise here. consistent on the northern side of that to have any debris that is buoyant enough to be pushed toward the west. so you think, well we could just follow the debris from the island further to the east. not that easy. it doesn't move in a direct line here. in fact i will be able to show you the ocean currents. they undulate. yes the movement is generally from australia heading towards reunion island here. but if you are trying how to get debris and trying to trace it back. a very complicated process. they're going to be using very complicated drift modeling to see -- if they can trace the debris back. but it is going to be very difficult because again. it has gone through a lot from what we think is the original crash site here. so one clue at least at this point here. that is better than what we have had in a very very long time. ayou saw there, upward of 16 months amount this point. the thing has been out in the indian ocean making it ashore. quite a long ways away. >> break it down look that. incredible we have the one piece of debrief it is mh370, kidding it had to get through all of that. >> some people were cleaning up the piece of coastline on reunion island happened to discover it. one clue. but doesn't necessarily piece together what went down. we will have much more on flight mh370 ahead. this hour. first -- >> i've benen doing this over 30 years. this is the most asinine act i have ever seen a police officer make. >> strong word there in a community rallies and an officer faces a murder charge in the shooting death of an unarmed black man. >> still to come here on cnn newsroom. a lawyer says donald trump lashed out at her during a deposition. he says she was being unprofessional. >> she wanted to breast pump in front of me. and i may have said that's disgusting. i may have said something else. i thought it was terrible. running my own 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disturbing. here's our miguel marques. >> reporter: the conversation captured on body camera between university of cincinnati police officer robert tensing and motorist samuel dubose starts normal enough but quickly nurnz a deadly confrontation. . he asks dubose driving on a suspended lice ns to eded lice tins remove his seatbelt. the officer's gun comes out. he yells stop. the officer is on the ground. the gun in front of the camera. >> if my son is righteous and he gets killed somebody had to be wicked here. i think the person should have been locked up day one. >> reporter: in the video it is hard to hear the gunshot. this is the video slowed about 20%. you can hear the car engine. the officer shout twice. and then that single fatal shot. [ gunshot ] samuel dubose was struck in the head he slumped forward hitting the gas as he died. the car came to a stop after jumping the sidewalk at the end of the block. officer raymond tensing has now been charged with murder and voluntary manslaughter. >> this is the most asinine act i have ever seen a police officer make. totally unwarranted. it's incredible. and so senseless. and again i feel so sorry for his family and i feel scary for thefor -- feel sorry for the community. this should not happen ever. >> reporter: in the police report filed the day after the incident. officer tensing told the investigator he was almost run over by the driver of the honda accord and was forced to shoot the driver. a statement hard to reconcile with the video. >> you can't lackook at that video and say that that police report follows the video. it doesn't. if there wasn't a video available, i do not believe he would have had an indictment. >> reporter: the prosecutor in cincinnati looking at possibility other charges based on this the police officer's own word. the police report filled out the day after the incident. officer tensing saying that he felt that he had to shoot. he was going to be dragged, possibly killed by the driver. other officers on the scene seem to be taking his side and backing up what he is saying. the prosecutor looking to see if the officers falsified a report. miguel marques, cnn, new york. >> take-up to u.s. politics now. presidential candidate donald trump kept himselfen the enin the headlines with unflinching comments about immigration and fellow republican candidates. now slamming a lawyer who says he stormed out -- out of a deposition over a breast pump. this is how she described what happened on cnn's "new day." >> he had an absolute meltdown when i said that i needed the break. and it was for breast pumping purposes. he got up his face got red, he shook his finger at me and he screamed "you're disgusting. you're disgusting." and he ran out of there. >> now, in an interview with cnn's dana bash trump denied elizabeth's version of events and gave his side of the story. >> she wanted to pump in front of me during a deposition. >> the way she described it she wanted to take a break so she could take the pump out. >> in fact if you ask my lawyer who was there here, said i never have seen anything like it. she wanted to breast pump in front of me. i may have said that's disgusting. i may have said something else. i thought is was terrible. >> now today donald trump is expected in scotland for a vi to the his golf course. cnn's max foster following the trip and jinzoins me live from turnbury. max, quite a colorful character. how much is the women's open being oversthad doughed edovershadowed by mr. trump's arrival. >> it is. whenever he is out and about there is all this commotion around his. he does grab all of the headlines here. certainly come to blows with the scotter government in the past about a separate golf scheme he has got in a different part of the country in aberdeenshire. in this part of the world he is popular. i have spoke to people who live here or come out to watch the golf. is he a popular figure locally? >> very much so. he drives by. see the changes every day. it's incredible just the investment you can do in one hotel. >> brought money in which is good. and given them jobs and prospects for the future. so that aspect. >> he's got that pro final whatever the profile is he is bringing it to this particular tournament. >> people are curious, whatever you might think of him, politically or otherwise, you know he's he's putting his money where his mouth is. he is developing golf courses. he is you know creating more jobs. so you know certain for people in the area that's a good thing. >> reporter: he is not running to be president here. elsewhere. >> he is a character. let's face it characters -- we need characters in all sorts of strings of life. >> he certainly is a character. we will wait to see what he says later on. he does seem at the moment whenever he says anything it end up making headlines. >> he has poured a lot of money into golf. i had no idea that donald trump was popular in scotland. who knew. max foster live for us there. thank you so much. we appreciate that. >> we will have much more on our breaking news ahead. another report from our team on reunion island where authorities discovered airline debris. after this short break. it progressing with the prisoner? he'll tell us everything he knows very shortly, sir. as you were... where were we? 13 serving 14! service! if your boss stops by, you act like you're working. it's what you do. if you want to save fifteen percent or more on car insurance, you switch to geico. it's what you do. female announcer: you're on the right track to save big during sleep train's triple choice sale. for a limited time you can choose up to 48 months interest-free financing on a huge selection of tempur-pedic models. or choose to 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island were identified as a lake likely landfall if indeed there were parts of the aircraft left floating. >> a team of malaysian investigators are on their way to reunion island for a closer look. they want to inspect that piece of debris. union island close to madagascar 3700 kilometers or 2300 miles from where crews had been searching for the plane. >> yeah, just so far out there. we do have a number of cnn teams that have arrived on reunion island. a shrt timeort time ago. cnn's robyn kriel is on the fen to update us on the latest information. robyn tell us what have you learned since you arrived? >> reporter: malaysian airlines saying it is too early to speculate. since march last year there have been several false alarms of people things similar to this nothing quite as obvious as this. but they have been -- there have been several false alarms. families had their hopes up. the head of the australian safety board, telling cnn, they're charged wit lead edd with leading this church. the piece is not inconsistent with the drift modeling the gires and currents not inconsistent with the search area that they're covering. it is possible that a piece could have reached the reunion island where we are right now. it's not an exact science, however. the head of the atsb saying there is a lot to take into consideration -- weather, surface currents wind direction and how high an object was floating will all play a role in where the object wouldened up end up. we need to say one more it is not inconsistent with the drift modeling studies and the search area they have been covering. >> okay. and kiddingconsidering that there was a maintenance number. potential maintenance number the deputy prime minister read jut loud not a serial number. there are details, information in this piece of debris that officials now work with. malaysian officials are not there yet. but just tell us if -- how organized i guess the current teams are there on reunion island as they look for more debris. have the major teams even showed up yet? >> reporter: not yet. this reunion island there is a french air force base here. and a police force. so they're all obviously part of the search. but it might, the search might not end here. it might be a span a very very large area. the australians saying it is unlikely that by finding the flaperon they will be able to find the area of the crash, that they will be able to pinpoint the ser. air -- the search. finding something like this if it does turn out to be a part of the mh370, which disappeared in 2014 that it would, that it would be an exact find for the rest of the aircraft would be. however, no one confirming yet. that is indeed mh370, and that maintenance number if that it is indeed what it is is not in fact the serial number. they're not sure if it belongs to the aircraft and they're obviously looking quickly as possible to see what exactly that is. what i can tell you is what experts who looked at -- what looks to bea flaperon or piece attached to the wing that would be wind resistance. what they told us is it does looks to be -- could have been in the water for about a year. doesn't look like it has been in the water for ten years. barnacles, shells. it's it's also saying, errol, that this flaperon might indeed lead to some idea -- [ indiscernible ] it might give investigators some idea of the last few moments of mh370. it might, if it shows charring mixed, some kind of explosion. it wouldn't be sort of dealing with a black box. it would give indication of what happened to callers, inmates, 370 to crash if it turns out to bea piece of the missing aircraft. >> it is all encouraging information. just didn't have confirmation yet. robyn kriel on reunion island. first of the teams to report. give us the information. she and other correspondents will be gathering information throughout the day as really we all wait for confirmation that the piece of debris is from mh370. we do continue to wait. zain. >> errol, we are waiting especially the families they want to know whether this piece of debris is indeed from mh370. and there have been no answers, since the plane disappeared last year. i cannot imagine what they're going through. a group of chinese families hatch just released a statement urging authorities to continue their search for the plane. and their loved ones. reading for you, we do not want to hear guarantees of 99% likelihood from certain authorities. we need con fir magsfirmation of 100% certainty. no matter where the debris is fond we care more about the where abuts of our family members. earlier, a woman whose partner was on the flight spoke to cnn. listen. >> if ultimately this is a piece of the wing then that little thread of hope that i've been holding on to will -- will have to break. and reality will have to take over. up until now, i and family members have continued to believe until we have a bed we can't give up hoping that they will still come back. >> your heart really goes out to sarah. malaysia's defense minister was acting transport minister at the time of the disappearance. he is tweeting abut news of the debris on reon yun island asking his followers to "pray for mh370." >> of course we are going to continue to follow this breaking story throughout the day here on cnn. and a quick reminder you can always track the latest developments away from your television heading to our website, cnn.com. >> wear's going to take a quick break on "cnn newsroom." when we come back. thousand of might ranlts trying to escape war and poverty make a desperate, deadly journey. the pressure mounting on britain and france to do something about it. that's coming up. do you toss and turn? wake up with back pain? if so, call now! the sleep number bed supports you with a cushion of air that conforms to your body for more proper spinal alignment and better sleep. before i had my sleep number bed i just had a hard time getting us because i'd been tossing and turning 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48 months interest-free financing on tempur-pedic. save hundreds on beautyrest. or choose $300 in free gifts with stearns & foster. the triple choice sale is on now at sleep train. breaking news out of reunion island in the far western indian ocean. that's where investigators are headed to get a closer look at this piece of airplane debris which could be part of malaysia airlines flight 370. that plane vanished in march of last year with 239 people on board. australia's deputy prime minister says authorities are treating this as a major lead. >> want to update you on other stories we are following. this time want to got to euro where euro tunnel authorities say this week 3100 migrants tried to cross the tunnel. >> speaking with some of them who traveled great distances just for the chance of a better life. >> reporter: french police have increased their presence around the euro tunnel entrance but some times the waves of migrants are overwhelming. europe's refugee crisis has escalated here in recent days. ali talmini from syria attempt to reach the fences and get on a truck tuesday night. then he says he saw another man get killed. we tried to go through the tunnel with a group of sudanese men he says but some of them jumped on the track and were hit. one man died. ali talmini is with men from eastern syria. he says he was forced to flee from isis took control of the town. they stay here an illegal refugee camp called the jungle a couple miles from the tunnel. he shows me the tents they stay in. seven sleep in this one. no electricity and very little food. we want to go to the u.k. to get some relief he says we have struggled so much on our journey. we have tried to push through the tunnel and some had their hand and feet broken. it's so bad. thousands squat in this area from sudan, eritrea, afghanistan, pakistan and many other regions in crisis. waiting for their chance to make it to the united kingdom. a surge in attempts disrupted traffic through the tunnel this past week. most of these people have made treacherous journeys just to get here to the north of france. they escaped conflict and famine in their home countries. and now the last thing that separates them from the united kingdom is the euro tunnel. so many of them will try and get through the fence and then jump on a train or a truck to get there. some have been here in the jingle for more than a year. but when the evening comes, many of the migrants are back on the road leading to the euro tunnel waiting and hoping for an open hatch on a truck or chance to jump a train to take them to the u.k. fred plankin, cnn, cale france. >> india executed a man for plotting the 1993 bombings in mumbai that killed 257 people. yakub meman was hanged in a jail in india today. >> meman kidded a key conspirator behind bomb blasts on march 12 1993. it was the deadliest tear railroad attack in the country's history. >> now his death had long been rumored now the afghan government says the reclusive founder of the taliban is dead. a spokesman for the country intelligence service says mullah omar died in a hospital in karachi pakistan two years ago from unknown illness. >> two weeks ago the taliban release a statement attributed to omar and the group claimed he was still their leader earlier this year. a lot of questions there. >> two zimbabwe men accused of helping an american hunter kill a famous lion. have now appeared in court. we'll bring you the latest on the case and the worldwide outrage it triggered when "cnn newsroom" continues. running my own shop has been brutal. but then i got a domain and built my website all at godaddy. now i look so professional i just got my first customer who isn't related to me. get a domain website and email starting at $1/month all at godaddy. an update on our breaking news for you -- a team of investigators are heading to reunion island in the western indian ocean. a piece of airplane debris found there could possibly possibly be from malaysia airlines flight 370. australia's deputy prime minister calls it a "very significant development." the latest on the death of cecil the lion now. two men accused of helping an american hunter kill zimbabwe's famous lion were in court wednesday. if convicted of poaching they could face ten years in prison. both men though say they're innocent. >> the american hunter dentist walter palmer you see here says he didn't know killing the lion was illegal. and due to the backlash from the incident, he appears to have gone into hiding. here is our ryan young with more. >> reporter: where is dr. walter j. palmer? >> i'm any just so disgusted with that man. and shoot any lion but, lure a lion like that out of the, you know preserve and shoot him, i mean how, how could anybody think that's sport? just appalling. >> reporter: cnn tried to find him at his minneapolis home no one answered the door. in fact he has gone underground after releasing the statement which read "i deeply regret my pursuit of an activity i love and practice responsibly and legally resulted in the taking of this lion." >> preserves are went to preserve wildlife not to just lure them off and poach them. >> reporter: now dr. palmer a wealthy dentist from minneapolis find himself under a torrent of criticism after a conversation group charged that he led cecil out of the sanctuary and shot him with a beandow and arrow. all for a trophy kill. zimbabwe authorities say palmer paid at least $50,000 for the hunt. >> we lost one of the icons, the male lion which was popular known as cecil. >> reporter: the dentist with a practice and home in this upscale neighborhood find himself being hunted as questions remany ifin if he will face charges in zimbabwe. protesters took to the streets in front of his office which has since been shutshuttered. >> we are here for cecil not for dr. palmer. >> reporter: this isn't the first time dr. palmer's big game hobby has got him in trouble. court documents show an individual the same age as the dentist, was put on probation years earlier for killing a black bear in wisconsin. and then lying to u.s. fish and wildlife services about it. he pleaded guilty. he got probation and paid a $3,000 fine. and in zimbabwe conservation officials say the hunters tried to destroy the research tracking collar cecil wore. the two men seen here have since been arrest ford the slaying. a professional hunter and landowner released on $1,000 bail. both facing upward of ten years in jail their attorney says they're innocent. dr. palmer says he relied on their expertise as guide to "ensure a legal hunt." >> a bad image for africa. it shouldn't be condoned. i think action should be taken for that. >> back state side questions reman what is to become of dr. palmer. with many on social media mourning the lion's desize steadily coming to a boil of anger and outrage. even late night show host jimmy kimmel responded at one point, choking up. >> if you want to do something, if you want to make this into a positive. sorry, i'm okay i'm good. make a donation to support them. at the very least, maybe, maybe we can show the world that not all americans are like this jackhole here. >> jimmy kimmel very passionate about this. as are a lot of people. a lot of people want walter palmer to sort of show up. nobody knows where he is. >> the hunt for him continues. let's try to get a chuckle before we head out. daily show host jon stewart thinks the hype over reported secret meetings with u.s. president barack obama is overrated after politico reported that stewart met mr. obama at the white house. poking fun at the media's response apparently including ours. >> we just don't know what they talked about. >> if only you could be a fly on the wall during the meetings. >> let me tell you something you do not want to be a fly anywhere near president obama. >> a little nervous being on "the daily show." >> i didn't see that until now. at least they watch. >> at laeseast he wasn't mean. the meetings were openly listed and the comedian said he went through the main entrance like everybody else. we still don't know what stewart and the president talked about. i would look to be a fly on the wall. i still do. >> stewart says they hang out and ate nachos. there you go. you're watching cnn newsroom. i'm errol barnett. >> i'm zain asher. much more on the breaking news of the air debris discovered in the indian ocean much more coming up on "early start. " . . . breaking news this morning. debris from missing malaysia airline 370 may have been found. a piece of the plane, the same type same color of the vanished jetliner on a remote island in the indian ocean. good morning. welcome to "early start." i'm john berman. it's thursday july 30th. 4:00 a.m. in the east. welcome the viewers in the united states and around the world. the breaking news a possible turning point in the hunt for malaysia airline 370. sources close to the investigation tell cnn that
i'm natalie allen, and this is "cnn newsroom." and we begin in tennessee with the latest on the deadly shooting there. investigators are looking into every aspect of mohammad abdulazeez's life to trigger the rampage. investigators found three guns on the 23-year-old and also found a rifle at his house. investigators say abdulazeez first went to a recruiting center. he opened fire there from his car. he then drove seven hours to a navy operational center where he killed four marines before police killed him. >> it was clear that this gunman had every intent to encounter and to murder police officers, if he needed to. >> abdulazeez reportedly traveled to the middle east a few times over the past five years. a friend says the trips changed him. he became more distant. federal authorities are investigating at least 70 leads. >> this matter continues to be investigated as an act of terrorism by the fbi's knoxville joint terrorism task force along with the chattanooga police department and our other federal, state and local partners. because the investigation is still in its early stages it would be premature to speculate on exactly why the shooter did what he did. however, we are conducting a thorough investigation to determine whether this person acted alone. was inspired or directed and we'll exhaust all efforts in determining how and why this horrible act happened. >> investigators have pieced together what they think happened during thursday's rampage. gary tuchman breaks it down for us. >> reporter: a senior defense official tells cnn several marines inside the chattanooga recruiting center the gunman's first stop were marine combat veterans who went into combat mode when mohammad youssuf abdulazeez started shooting at around 10:45 a.m. >> he lifted up his arms like this with a big, black gun, and just there was one shot and then it was just endless shots, one after another, just unloading. >> reporter: the marines told everyone to drop to the floor and then cleared the room by getting everyone outside in the back. everyone survived but abdulazeez who a law enforcement source and authorities say had at least two long guns including an ak-47-style rifle and a handgun, was not done. it is believed abdulazeez never got out of his rented ford mustang convertible. after firing his first barrage of shots at this location he made a right turn out of the parking lot, heading 7 1/2 miles to the next location. we've now arrived at that second location driving a normal speed. it took us about 13 minutes. within that short span of time something very traumatic happened. >> officers began search inging and located the gunman driving down the highway. chattanooga police officers immediately began following and chasing that vehicle between the first and second locations. >> reporter: this is the second location which remains closed off. the gunman made a right turn into this entrance and continued driving down the road to the military support and reserve center. the police still in pursuit. >> eventually officers encountered the suspect at the second location. >> reporter: but the gunman was a moving target firing dozens of shots and killing four marines before he could be neutralized. [ sirens ] >> our officers drove down there, encountered him and engaged in a battle with him. >> reporter: abdulazeez was shot to death. officials believe he was killed by a chattanooga police officer. >> i am absolutely convinced that if it weren't for the bravery and the sacrifice of officers of the chattanooga police department more people in this community would be dead. >> reporter: the home where the gunman grew up with his parents and siblings was searched for hours. bomb squad and canine unit inside the home. this picture showing a woman taken away in handcuffs, not arrested, but as a precaution. karen jones lives right next door. >> it was pretty scary, because you don't know what they're going to find. >> reporter: karen has known the family ever since they moved in about 14 years ago. when was the last time you saw mohammad? >> probably this weekend. i can't remember which day. >> reporter: but it was this weekend, though? >> yes. >> reporter: the gunman no longer lived in the home but according to his neighbor visited quite a bit. karen jones saying this weekend visit was routine. >> except for the beard. he didn't usually wear that. guys like to grow beards once in a while, and he's of age. >> reporter: gary tuchman, cnn, chattanooga, tennessee. >> we are also learning more about the gunman's last stand with police on thursday. let's bring in our cnn military analyst, lieutenant colonel luke francona francona. what are you learning that is interesting about this rick? >> well i'm looking at his background and i noticed the key there was that he went to the middle east and he changed. so, obviously, something happened over in the middle east in jordan. there's a lot of al qaeda and isis sympathizers in jordan. the jordanians have a tremendous problem with al qaeda. abdul al zarqawi was a jordanian national so there's a lot of things that could have happened over there. i'm a little concerned, though as he came back he was arrested for dwi. that really doesn't fit the profile of what we'd expect of a committed jihadist. so there's a lot we don't know. there's a lot of contradictions here. but as you know we've talked in the past these lone wolf or these people that are operating under the radar are so hard to detect making them almost impossible to stop. and you know your heart breaks when you hear about these fine young marines who were killed because they didn't have any weapons there. veterans of our wars overseas killed in chattanooga. >> right. and colonel, let's talk about the difficulty it is in tracing all of the people that could possibly be these lone wolf types. how important is it that there's some sort of paper trail, some sort of cyber trail? >> well we always find this after the fact but the problem is we're not able to monitor them as the indoctrination or radicalization is ongoing, because it's so subtle and it's so pervasive. if you go on the internet there's so much out there and there's so much attempts. these chat rooms are just full of isis al qaeda, other islamic groups looking for people just like this. and they're looking for people that are not going to come to the attention of law enforcement. so it's very very difficult. i don't know how we solve that. i know that the fbi's doing a lot of undercover work now, but it's probably not going to be enough. i think the fbi director was very cogent in his remarks that he's not going to be able to stop everything. >> right, but how long do you think before we find out a little more about abdulazeez and perhaps what his exact motives were? what will you be listening for next? >> yeah you know i want to hear what the jordanian intelligence service has to say about him, because as you know i was an adviser to the jordanian service, and they're very good. they will figure out what he was doing in jordan. we'll know very shortly what he was up to over there and if it had any role in this if he was approached by somebody over there. so that's what i'm going to be looking for. but i think his motivation was obvious clear here. the fact that he had three weapons, he was wearing load-bearing equipment with multiple magazines. you don't do that if you're just going to go out and, you know fire a few shots at a recruiting station. he went out to kill people. and as we know he was able to do that partly because these facilities -- and there's hundreds of them all over the country -- they're soft targets. it's almost impossible to secure them. >> absolutely. we understand that. we see them on yes, all of our street corners and in our neighborhoods throughout this country. colonel rick francona thank you for joining us. at least 20 vehicles were destroyed when a massive wildfire jumped a california freeway. drivers scrambled to safety in time, some climbing a nearby mountain to try to get away from the flames. officials say the brush fire grew to more than 1,400 hectares in just four hours. so far, there is no word of anyone getting hurt. cnn's paul vercammen checked in on the threat of the fire to homes nearby. >> reporter: as the sun was going down here's where they started to make their stand. this is phelan california. you can see the helicopter up above me. what they did was opened up a fire hydrant nearby and created their own pool of water for the choppers to go down into and reload and drop water. homeowners also making a stand here doing everything that they possibly could to try to protect this neighborhood from the advance of the flames. some of them grabbing hoses and soaking their hillsides. now, all of this started, of course on the 15 freeway, the cajon pass that major artery between los angeles and las vegas. cars were abandoned and many of them of course caught fire and were completely burned. then the fire made its advance north, and that's where we saw so many different efforts, whether by air or by citizens grabbing hoses and the firefighters trying to stop this blaze before it could burn down major parts of the small city. >> derek van dam joins me now to talk more about it. luckily, they had water coming out of those water hoses, because we know the situation with water in california. but that's a pretty big fire. i guess for our u.s. viewers, we should tell how big 1,400 hectares is in acres. >> 3,500 acres, to be exact. and it grew from 500 acres only a few hours prior to what you're seeing on the screen right now. and what i find particularly disturbing natalie, is that firefighting aircraft were actually grounded due to drones that were flying in the area. so they actually had to temporarily suspend -- >> yeah that small drone could impact those helicopters. >> that's right. and that people could actually be flying a drone at this instance. i know they're curious, but let's not get in the way of the firefighting efforts here people come on. common sense. but people on the ground and reading some of the testaments online of people who were actually on the inferno in the interstate were saying that it looked like a scene from a movie. and this picture really just says a million words. 70 cars lining up on the cajon pass and that made it very difficult for fire engines to navigate their way to the fire. so that just shows you just how quickly these fires can spread especially when you have that situation involved. but how is it that a fire can jump across a highway? well i've got an answer for you. we look at the large immediate fire that was just east of the highway. we had a lot of wind coming down the mountainside and it only takes enough wind to pick up one of those little imembers of fires, carries it across the road and starts a new fire notice a spot fire and that continues that raging inferno further and further and further down the line. natalie, by the way, we have got other fires going on right now. new to cnn, in san bernardino the l.a. county sheriff confirming that 90 girl scouts have been evacuated from tabletop campground in wrightwood due to a fire that's grown to about 100 acres in size. >> oh, goodness. well i'm glad they've gotten to safety. >> they are. >> derek, thank you. we'll see you a little bit later. >> thanks. a milestone for a shopping mall in kenya that came under a vicious attack. by islamic militants. coming up a look at why today marks a celebration of sorts for this reopened shopping complex. we'll have a live report from nairobi. plus we'll tell you why greece's prime minister just sacked members of his own party. growing up, we were german. we danced in a german dance group. i wore lederhosen. when i first got on ancestry i was really surprised that i wasn't finding all of these germans in my tree. i decided to have my dna tested through ancestry dna. the big surprise was we're not german at all. 52% of my dna comes from scotland and ireland. so, i traded in my lederhosen for a kilt. ancestry has many paths to discovering your story. get started for free at ancestry.com. isis is claiming responsibility for one of the deadliest attacks in iraq in recent months. at least 86 people were killed more than 100 injured when a truck packed with explosives blew up in the predominantly shia town of khan bani saad. the blast struck a market as people were shopping for celebrations to mark the end of the holy month of ramadan. you can see what this huge blast left behind the impact. they do expect they might find more people in all of that. well last hour a shopping mall in nairobi, kenya, reopened nearly two years after islamic militants stormed it in that horrific rampage, killing 67 people. the attack left the mall like this in disarray with bullet-scarred walls, blood stains throughout. many kenyans see the reopening as a victory over terrorism, but others refuse to go back inside. cnn's robyn kriel has more on the mixed reaction from people over the opening of this mall again. she joins us now live from nairobi. hello there, robyn. >> reporter: well, good morning, natalie. there are some cars waiting to go into westgate, as well as people waiting to go in. but really we took a walk inside people are mostly just walking around looking to see just what has changed. not much has changed. in fact, a lot is still the same other than it smells new. but we asked survivors how they felt whether they would go back. here's what they had to say. it was an agonizing 80-hour siege for kenya. the world watched as al shabaab gunmen stormed this upscale shopping center in nairobi and killed 67 kenyans and foreigners. >> i spent quite a few hours at westgate waiting for help to arrive. >> reporter: many of those who survived like shamime alu, still bear the scars. she was shot five times and continues to suffer from grenade shrapnel in her body. >> they're quite prominent. these are really really tiny ones but if you feel them they're bits of little balls of metal. >> reporter: alu was taking part in the children's cooking competition when the assault began. she cradled a small boy she didn't know as he died in her arms. >> and a mark of respect for the ones who died there, i would not be able to walk in there. i think it's really sad that it's opening up as a shopping mall. i would have been happy if it had opened up as a memorial site. >> reporter: this was the interior of westgate four months after the attack. it's hard to find any visible remnants of the massacre that took place inside the shopping mall but while the walls have been rebuilt and painted and the shattered glass replaced many kenyans are still asking just how this attack could have taken place, who carried it out, and what happened to the killers. >> it bothers me for the families the people that were lost there also and also for me to feel safe in this country, yeah. that our questions are not answered or nothing's been brought to surface. >> reporter: this survivor asks not to be identified because she's afraid of speaking out. >> personally i'm not going back for reasons being i was there, i experienced it. >> reporter: she was having lunch when a hand grenade rolled towards her table, killing her waitress. >> she died right in front of me and she, like took her last breath and i was there and experienced it. >> it was there. >> reporter: elijah works at the same jewelry store, determined to return to work at westgate. >> if we don't go back or if we give up these people they think that we are weak or we are cowards. but life has to go on. we have to show them that we have courage. the gunmen were here in the cooking competition. >> reporter: others hid here for three hours watching gunmen pump bullets, mostly into women and children. although they differ on whether westgate should open up or not, all three agree they're survivors, not victims. one thing that has changed significantly, natalie, is the security outside westgate mall. they have metal detectors, luggage scanners sniffer dogs as well as machines actually that will specifically sniff out explosives we're told. about $2 million spent in total on security. back to you. >> that will hopefully make people feel better especially the people that work there as well. robyn kriel for us. thank you, robyn, live from nairobi. iran's supreme leader says his country's newly brokered nuclear deal will not change the situation with the u.s. during his traditional speech marking the end of ramadan, ayatollah ayatollah khomeini said the draft of the deal must go through a legal process before being approved. the supreme leader declared that iran does not want war, but if there were one, the united states would be humiliated. >> translator: our policies will not change vis-a-vis the arrogant government of the united states at all. >> translator: death to america, death to great britain, death to israel death to the hypocrites the hypocrites meaning the mek and finally, death to israel. >> translator: as we have repeated multiple times, with the united states we have no talks vis-a-vis regional issues. >> cha maiani also said iran will continue to support syria and other allies, whether the nuclear deal is approved or not. we have now learned that just three weeks before joaquin guzman escaped from a maximum security prison in mexico the united states had issued a request for the notorious drug lord's extradition. mexico's interior minister says it is likely prison workers helped the man known as el chapo get away. but as polo sandoval reports, relatives of prison employees don't agree that their family members took part in his escape. >> reporter: mexico's most wanted man seems to have vanished into thin air. experts think joaquin "el chapo" guzman is relying on his unique skill sets to elude authorities with nearly a week on the run. the sinaloa cartel boss is ruthless and cruel, but he is also extremely street smart and cunning, according to annabel hernandez. >> this guy is a terrible criminal a very primitive man that hurt women when a women doesn't deserve his favors that can kill women and man. this man is very bad. >> reporter: hernandez is a journalist and expert on the cartel problem plaguing her country. she lives with death threats that come with reporting and writing about guzman a man whose power did not diminish behind prison walls. >> he organize a hunger strike inside the jail. more than 900 prisoners. so with 900 prisoners on your side you're able to do anything! >> reporter: hernandez believes el chapo threatened and bribed prison officials facilitating his escape. families of some at the prison defend their loved ones saying they would never help the inmates. a woman who won't tell me her name out of fear of safety says she hopes security measures at the prison would keep her loved ones safe. she says her relative risked his life every time he went to work. the prison houses cartel heads and killers. several prison employees have been arrested. federal prosecutors now want to talk to people they believe visited guzman during his imprisonment. a state senator from sinaloa is one of them. sanchez did not respond to cnn's relates to comment but she's taken to social media denying claims she knows guzman, let alone visited him in prison. she's not the only mexican official snared in a cloud of controversy and says sadly, corruption is part of the fabric of her country. >> el chapo didn't create the corruption. the corruption created chapo. the corruption are the mothers, the parents of el chapo. el chapo is just the best example how bad that things are in mexico. >> reporter: el chapo's escape could carry serious political implications for the presidency of the administration. they are being overshadowed by the escape of el chapo. despite the humiliation, neeto says he will be captured. >> translator: i'm fully confident of the courage, bravery and determination of our armed forces and the police of the federal order to catch him just as we did last year. >> nieto has faith and trust in his government. many in mexico don't feel the same way. there is plenty of frustration here on the streets of mexico. so many people here are asking why their government didn't do more to make sure that guzman stayed behind bars. in fact we're now learning that the latest request for extradition to the united states came just two weeks before guzman crawled into that tunnel and made that very daring escape. polo sandoval cnn, mexico city. the greek bailout clears a crucial hurdle. on friday germany's parliament voted to pursue a third financial rescue deal with greece, that is despite politicians in the chancellor's own party saying german taxpayers should not be forced to send greece any more money. angela merkel warned it would be irresponsible not to assist greece. >> translator: the alternative to this agreement would not be an orderly time-out from the eurozone but predictable chaos. >> greek's prime minister meantime sacked members of his party for rebelling against that crucial bailout vote. the energy minister and two deputy ministers lost their jobs. what led a man who friends knew as a happy and smiling person to gun down four marines? coming up what authorities are looking into as possible motives for the attack at two u.s. military sites. and we now know the names of the four marines killed. ahead, what their loved ones are saying about them today. ♪ ♪ one day a rider made a decision. the decision to ride on and save money. he decided to save money by switching his motorcycle insurance to geico. there's no shame in saving money. ride on, ride proud. geico motorcycle great rates for great rides. wish your skin could bounce back like it used to? new neutrogena hydro boost water gel. with hyaluronic acid it plumps skin cells with intense hydration and locks it in. for supple, hydrated skin. hydro boost. from neutrogena. what to do when you're stranded in a city and you need a last minute hotel? a priceline tonight only deal! stuck out on the range? nowhere to rest your beard? choose from thousands of hand-picked hotel deals at the very last minute. only on your phone. only from priceline. welcome back. you're watching "cnn newsroom." i'm natalie allen. the latest on our top stories now. three of the four marines shot and killed in the u.s. state of tennessee had served combat missions overseas before dying in their home country. officials have now identified those men as thomas sullivan skip wells, david wyatt and carson holmquist. tennessee's governor said each of them served their country well and the state is heartbroken. seven workers at a maximum security prison in mexico have now been charged in connection with the escape of the notorious drug lord el chapo. mexico's interior minister says it took 18 minutes for guards to arrive at joaquin guzman's cell after they lost sight of him on surveillance video. more than 200 people were injured when a commuter train slammed into the back of another near johannesburg. the force of the collision caused one of the trains to derail. at least 100 people have already been released from local hospitals. thankfully no one was killed in that. convicted boston marathon bomber dzhokhar tsarnaev has been moved to the supermax prison in colorado. the facility is considered the most secure prison in the u.s. and most inmates spend 23 hours a day in isolation. tsarnaev may spend years there while appealing his death sentence. well authorities in tennessee are looking at every avenue to determine what led to thursday's attack in tennessee. mohammad abdulazeez is accused of shooting up two military facilities in chattanooga. he first fired at a recruitment center then drove just a few minutes to a navy operations center where he killed four marines. investigators say he had three guns on him and had every intent to kill police officers had they not killed him first. >> there is absolutely no doubt in my mind that chattanooga police officers prevented loss of life yesterday. chattanooga police officers proved themselves in every sense of the word heroes. they are my heroes. i have never been prouder to be a police officer than i was yesterday and today. i am extremely proud to be a chattanooga police officer. >> abdulazeez reportedly traveled to the middle east a few times over the past five years. a friend says the trips changed him and that he became more distant. federal authorities are now looking into 70 pieces of information they've gotten in so far. well many people who knew the suspect say they do not know his motives. authorities are still working on that as well. over the past day, we have learned a lot more about mohammad abdulazeez. here's cnn's drew griffin. [ shots ] >> reporter: now an official terror investigation, officials scouring every detail of mohammad youssuf abdulazeez's life focusing on the 24-year-old's time in the middle east where he may have become radicalized. >> we have asked our intelligence partners throughout the world to provide us with any information they may have concerning his travel. >> reporter: starting in 2005 he traveled to both kuwait and jordan. the "wall street journal" reports he took several trips to jordan more recently spending as much as seven months in the country. a friend told cnn, "something happened over there. he never became close to me like he was before he went overseas." the friend goes on to say, "i'm sure he had something that happened to him overseas." in school in tennessee, the kid described as funny and friendly took on two tough sports mixed martial arts and wrestling. in his red bank high school yearbook he asked an intriguing question -- "my name causes national security alerts. what does yours do?" in fact, his father was a subject of a post-9/11 fbi probe into donations his father made to overseas charities, but the elder abdulazeez was never charged with any crime. in 2009 there was trouble in the family. abdulazeez's mother filed for divorce. in court papers she charged her husband was physically abusive, both to her and her children. the case was dismissed. we believe they are still together. friends say abdulazeez started going to this mosque more frequently in recent months. three months ago, he began working here at a cable and wire plant near nashville, tennessee. about the same time he had his only known brush with the law, arrested on a dui charge. the police report noted erratic driving, slurred speech the smell of marijuana and white powder under his nose. co-workers say abdulazeez did not show up for work on monday and tuesday, calling out sick. also on monday just three days before the shooting this ominous statement, allegedly posted by abdulazeez. "brothers and sisters," he wrote, "this life is short and bitter and the opportunity to submit to allah may pass you by." still, a high school friend expressed the shock that most everyone we spoke to seems to share. >> how can it be mohammad? he wouldn't hurt a fly, but he killed people. >> reporter: drew griffin, cnn, chattanooga. >> we want to take a closer look now at the psychology of how and why killers or terrorists act the way they do. eric fisher is a licensed psychologist here in atlanta. thank you so much for coming in eric to talk to us about this. because we just heard that his friends in high school just can't believe, something happened since high school when he was described as funny, smart, very well liked, never bullied. and to look at that picture of him, he just had a demeanor that said he just he was happy. >> right. >> so but something happened. and we also know that he did travel to the middle east. so there was a trigger point somewhere. >> well i think what we have to look at too, is we're focusing a lot on islam, and this is not an issue directly connected to islam. this is a human issue about how we shift our beliefs, how our behaviors change and how we basically become filled with hate. because even in these situations here you have an idea whether you look at political ideation if we look at how hitler changed a whole country of people in ways to turn them and start to hate the outside world. you have an issue where you've created people an us versus them mentality and belief. and that's often what happens when you see a radicalization of an individual whether it's religious or whether it's political or whether it's nationalistic. you know we have to look and say how do we create that in versus out group, okay? here you have him potentially having grown up in an abusive situation. if he was made to comply in other words, compliance don't show what happens inside of our house -- >> and let's point out his mother filed for divorce, alleging severe domestic violence against her and her children. >> right, right. and if you see that and grew up in that environment, you start to become threatened by things and you start to then also believe that certain things are also okay. so if he sees that here's this environment that i grew up in where i have to be compliant, and then i become part of a belief system that demands compliance and i need acceptance from allah, i needed acceptance from my dad, then potentially, it allows your moral values to be eroded to start to believe that violence or outbursts of causing pain or physical harm is okay and acceptable. >> it's not something that's new, for sure. >> no it's not. >> we've had mass killings in this country, and it's always something, some thinking that's gone awry or mental illness, for sure. >> well and that's the irony, is when the shooting happened in south carolina last week -- or last month -- we called that individual mental ill, mental illness. and there was a great article on mental illness, how white people tend to be called mentally ill, african-americans are called thugs, and islamic people are called extremists or radicalized. and i think we have to look at our social belief systems about how we characterize those people. to me anybody who commits a crime like this has some form of mental illness. hatred can feed a mental illness in my deeper belief systems. now, do we want to use it as a defense to get them off? no but sometimes it's an explanation. and here you have somebody who may have sought an outlet for their internal rage through their mma fighting -- >> right. >> -- that once they engaged in that he was pulled right out of it by his parents. who knows what happened when his parents got him home after that. you also have somebody who was caught for dui. well if you look at the history of osama bin laden and many of his cohorts, they lived the excesses of a western life and then turned their own guilt and shame about losing their connection with allah against the western culture. i wonder if he kind of did the same thing and said this western culture is -- >> must be stopped, yeah. >> exactly. so they blame the culture for something that's a known inner struggle. and that's what i often teach people in the work i do is we have to look at ourselves and how the outside world's reflection of our inner turmoil, rather than blame the outside world, look at how we can take responsibility for ourselves and our own actions. >> fascinating things to think about, the psychology behind all of this. dr. erik fisher thank you so much. very interesting. lots to think about there. well nheme tennessee and across the u.s. are mourning these four men. they were fathers, they were sons killed in this rampage. one of those marines was just 21. another already a purple heart recipient twice. we learn more about the men from alexandra field. >> reporter: gunnery sergeant thomas sullivan earned two purple hearts fighting the war in iraq. a son of massachusetts saluted today in the city of springfield with flags lowered to half-staff half-staff. >> my heart just went down to my toes because i said my god! and i suppose when things hit home close to this area it affects you a lot deeper. >> reporter: "he was our hero. he will never be forgotten. thank you, tommy, for protecting us," a loved one wrote on facebook. from massachusetts governor charlie baker -- "terror comes home to massachusetts. god bless tom sullivan and his family and his friends." sullivan's last day of duty spent in chattanooga, tennessee, at the naval marine reserve center. his marine brothers by his side. search sergeant carson holmquist, a decorated marine from wisconsin, served two tours of duty in afghanistan before he was killed here at home. he leaves behind a wife and son. the youngest victim 21-year-old lance corporal skip wells, graduated three years ago from high school in marietta georgia. service was in his family. >> i mean, he loved his country. you know his mama his mama served in the military. i believe she was a marine also. so, i figured he just wanted to follow in her footsteps. i know he was in rotc in high school. he loved that you know. i just think, you know that's just a calling that he had. >> reporter: wells recently took a trip to disney world with his mom. she says, "my son died doing what he loved for the love of his country and his family." a decorated, 11-year veteran who served multiple tours, staff sergeant david wyatt is pictured with his two children. "there's no sleep tonight," someone writes. wyatt was from arkansas but he lived in chattanooga, where they're honoring the fallen and the families left behind. well one year after malaysia airlines flight 17 was shot down several nations from australia to ukraine took time to remember the victims of the tragedy and we'll share that with you in just a moment. plus a promising, young formula 1 driver has died after that terrible crash last year during the japanese grand prix that occurred during a typhoon. welcome to fort green sheets. welcome to castle bravestorm. it's full of cool stuff, like my second in command... and my trusty bow. and free of stuff i don't like. and in my castle we only eat chex cereal. chex cereal. it's full of delicious crunchability. no artificial flavors, and it's gluten-free. and that's something even my brother ... sister can understand. mom, brian threw a ball in the house! the tripadvisor you have always trusted for reviews book...! now checks over 200 websites to find the best price. book...! book...! so don't just visit tripadvisor, book...! at tripadvisor people around the world pay tribute to the victims of malaysia airlines flight 17 on friday one year after the plane was shot out of the sky over eastern ukraine. mourners in kiev laid flowers on the steps of the netherlands embassy. flowers and paper planes were also left outside the dutch embassy in moscow. and in the netherlands, an emotional tribute from the victims' families and friends. most of the 298 people killed in the disaster were netherlands citizens. a final report on the crash investigation is due in october. well formula 1 driver jules bianchi has died. a family statement says the 25-year-old died in a hospital in nice earlier today, where he had been for several months. bianchi was admitted there after suffering a severe head injury during the japanese grand prix last october. he lost control of his car on the wet track and crashed into a recovery vehicle as a typhoon bore down on japan. we want to bring in our meteorologist, derek van dam, to tell us more about the conditions that day, because derek and i both remember being on the air. derek was new to cnn and he was talking about the conditions saying that you were surprised that they were going on with this race. >> yeah we did. we had a meeting with a meteorologist here in the department and talked about how dangerous it was to hold a formula 1 race when there was an impending typhoon that was set to bear down. just to put this into perspective, october 6th 3:00 a.m. local time is when the typhoon, typhoon pen-phon made landfall. the race was at 5:00 p.m. in the evening. and you can see some of the visuals coming out of that area. it was extremely, extremely wet, and obviously, very very windy, and that could only impact the track as it raced around suzuka, japan, and it did. and in fact it led ultimately to a fatality now. and the fia, the international automobile federation is this ten-person accident panel that they've put together to review the evidence behind the crash. they never directly attributed the rain as a factor to the crash and the ultimate death of bianchi, but they did acknowledge that the track was overtly wet and there were drainage problems on the track itself. >> did they say anything about whether they should have held the race? >> well i think if it was a matter of opinion for myself, if i was able to make that call i would have said no. i would have probably not held that race but they did learn some good lessons out of this. checking the drainage for tracks of future f-1 races and also getting the highest technology before each f-1 season with tires for the vehicles so they have the greatest performance on wet conditions. >> very sad that someone lost their life on that day, but just 25 years old. >> yeah. >> jules bianchi. thank you, derek. well today is nelson mandela international day, a chance to commemorate the man people everywhere revere. coming up here a renowned singing group honors the late south african leader as only they can do. ♪ u need a last minute hotel? a priceline tonight only deal! stuck out on the range? nowhere to rest your beard? choose from thousands of hand-picked hotel deals at the very last minute. only on your phone. only from priceline. today is nelson mandela international day, set aside by the u.n. every year to honor the late south african leader's birthday but it is more than a celebration of his life and legacy. it's a global movement to honor his contribution to peace and freedom. a very special group called lady black mombado, called social ambassadors of south africa show us their special way of paying tribute to this great man. ♪ ♪ >> when we're singing and when we're also dancing, we want to share that energy with our audience with our fans. >> we try to encourage the generation after us to know who they are, because you must know your heritage you must know your culture. ♪ >> "homeless" is a song that was written back in 1985 by joseph chavalava. so this is a song that is telling the world that people, they need one another. ♪ >> our cooperation with paul simon, it was the dream come true for the group,. and joseph gave paul simon the name the one that opens the way. ♪ ♪ congratulations, south africa ♪ >> nelson mandela called ladysmith black mambazo the ambassador of cultural music of south africa. he put the culture of people they should sit down and solve their problem, whatever problem that they have. we still believe in that and then so everybody in south africa they are striving you know to make that dream live. ♪ ♪ come way to freedom ♪ >> what a beautiful sound from those men. thank you for joining us. i'm natalie allen. another hour of live news is straight ahead, so please stay with us. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com great job! ... now let's get ready for the ball. here it comes. here you go. good catch! perfect! alright, now for the best part. lets see your pour. ooo....let's get those in the bowl these are way to good to waste right?! ohhhh......yeah let's go for it, around the bowl annnddd... share what you love with who you love. kellogg's frosted flakes they'rrrr grreat! good catch, dad! and now try new kellogg's frosted flakes with energy clusters! a massive wildfire jumps on to a highway, setting cars ablaze in california. we'll have a live update ahead. investigators piece together new information about the suspected gunman in that shooting spree in tennessee. they want to know why. also ahead, some kenyans call it a victory over terrorism. a shopping complex in nairobi reopens two years after a horrific terror attack. we want to welcome our viewers here in the u.s. and around the world who are watching. we appreciate it. i'm natalie allen. this is "cnn newsroom."
piece of debris on the shore of the remoentte indian ocean island appears to be from a 777. it disappeared with 249 people on board in march of 2014. the debris is a flapper from a wing was found on reunion island. 2,300 miles from where the plane is believed to have gone down. at least where they have been searching. we have cnn's david molkov with us. >> reporter: 239 families are watching. they are counting on them. no physical debris of mh-370 has ever been found. australians say the french are looking into this. a number of clues coming out in the last couple of hours. a number on the piece, bb-670. australians say that is not a registration number. john they are looking at the barncles on this. the deputy prime minister spoke about the likelihood this piece of debris is from the missing plane. >> this is obviously a very significant development. it's the first real evidence that there's a possibility that a part of the aircraft may have been found. it's too early to make that judgment. clearly we are treating this as a major lead. >> reporter: john, they are proceeding with caution. if this is identified as from the malaysia airline flight will it help them find the plane. the lead investigator says the fact this is picked up is consistent with the current search area. they believe the plane is still there, but experts including oceanographers believe because it traveled so far over 16 months it is doubtful they can trace it back and reduce the search area. john the search continues. >> the search is renewed this morning. david, tell me about this piece of debris. this flapper. if it really is from a boeing 777, it would almost have to be from mh-370 correct? no other 777 has gone down in the indian ocean and as far as we know none other is missing that kind of part. >> reporter: john that certainly seems to be the case. we heard from many aviation experts. i spoke with some who understands these waters well. he says whatever has washed up near reunion would have had to come from the east and the southern atmosphere. john a lot of caution this morning as investigators take a close look. this is an international effort with malaysia france boeing and australia joining and looking closely, john. they have to get this right for the sake of those families. >> especially after all this time and so many false turns. david molko, thank you so much. cnn is on reunion island. our correspondent robyn kriel landed there a short time ago. she is making her way there along the coastline. it was discovered by people cleaning the beach. robyn is joining us by phone. explain to us where reunion island is. >> reporter: it is in the indian ocean, john. a french island middle east of madagascar. the continent of africa. everyone is talking about the discovery, possible discovery of mh-370. not confirmed as of yet. it is a small island. volcanic island. yes, the debris washed up on beach. it is a french island. the french air force has a base here. they are conducting the search. they are awaiting malaysian authorities to take over the search and waiting for other authorities to arrive. the australian consultation safety board. they want to get this right. >> i imagine they are also looking elsewhere on the coastline to see if they can find any other pieces. >> reporter: indeed. it doesn't necessarily mean john, because they found one piece that they will find a lot more pieces. it could be one piece that is floated to the particular area. it is not an exact science like the head of the aviation safety board saying a number of factors come into play. wind current and weather has something to do with it as well. it is not ruling out inconsistent with the drift modelling they had been studying. it is not inconsistent with the search area they are covering. this is part of search area john. family members cannot believe how far away if this is part of mh-370 they cannot believe how far away it is from the original destination. that will come into the investigation as well. >> as far as you know having investigators arrived from malaysia and from boeing and elsewhere or is this the investigation involving reunion island officials? >> reporter: john it took us considerable effort to get here and we were close. we're nairobi, kenya. i believe it would take others quite a while to get here. it is not an island you can get direct flight. you have to take a trip through madagascar. there are not a lot of flights. what we can tell you, boeing has not yet said that piece with whatever that number is presumably a maintenance aircraft number, boeing has not said that is a piece of their part. they would know if that was a piece of their part. they would know if it belonged to a 777. that might be because they need to talk to airline officials. when i talked to an expert and he said the fact it could be their part. he said it may be a case they haven't spoken yet and woken up the necessary people in the necessary time zone. it is not an emergency, like a day after the crash, and survivors in the sea. this would not be dealt with as say the first 48 hours of the aircraft crash. >> robyn kriel we will let you get back to the reporting. robyn kriel on reunion island where the piece of debris possibly from mh-370 was found. it looks like a flapper from a 777. they are waiting confirmation. boeing could figure that out quickly, but robyn said they want to be 100% correct. 99% is not enough. families anxiously awaiting this morning. the families of the passengers and crew have been waiting and mourning since the plane disappeared. >> if ultimately this is a piece of the wing then that little thread of hope i have been holding on to will have to break. and reality will have to take over. up until now, i and most of the family members have continued to believe that until we have a body we can't give up hoping they will come back. >> there's no such thing as closure. most of the passengers on mh-370 were chinese citizens. the crew from malaysia. cnn's andrew stevens spent time with their loved ones in the days of the disappearance. he joins us now. good morning, andrew. >> reporter: good morning, john. 239 souls aboard mh-370. i have been staying in touch with many of the family members particularly here in kuala lumpur. i have been speaking to them in the last couple hours. they are saying at the moment we have been here before john. you remember just after mh-370 disappeared, there was a lot of speculation. a lot of false leads and false reporting about the actual plane being found which turned out to be untrue. they are just not prepared at this stage until there is a complete confirmation. this is why there is so much confirmation coming from the authorities. they are not prepared to think this may be part of the plane. interestingly, the deputy transport minister here in malaysia told reporters a couple hours ago, he is almost certain this flapper as it is being called was part of a 777. he did not say it was 370, but it was part of a 777. the people i have talked to say are torn between the fact they want to know exactly what happened to their loved ones. they don't want to know. they don't want that feeling that it is over. that they have lost their loved ones. they are still talking to me about the possibility of a miracle. it is that sort of hope against hope which is still here john. you hear that here in malaysia. you also hear that in china. 15 nationals from 15 nations on that flight. it is slowly going at the moment. malaysians will be responsible for identifying and saying where this piece of debris is coming from. they will work with boeing and the french. the australian deputy prime minister said it still could be some time before we get to know exactly what that piece of debris is and where it's from. >> andrew stevens, thank you. let me read some of the statements. we will follow the developments and hope to receive the confirmation as soon as possible. we don't want to hear 99% guarantee from authorities. we need confirmation of 100% certainty certainty. the families say if this debris is from mh-370 it will not answer all of the questions they have. let's talk more about what investigators are looking at right now. joining us is justin greene. he is a former military pilot and president of the international air and safety bar association. justin, thanks for coming in. you had a chance to look at pictures. let me get your first thoughts. >> it is probably the number one lead that's come out since the airplane disappeared. i think i agree 100% you need 100%. until we know for sure professionals will not confirm this is from a 777 or from malaysia airline 370. >> what we know is a big piece of debris. about nine or ten feet. it looks to be a flaperon. >> the airplane has aerlons and yaw which means turning the airplane. a flaperon combines the features of the airline. it helps turn the airplane. as the airplane is landing, it goes down like flaps. it changing the camber of the wing. >> i heard experts say it is a large piece of debris. that indicates that perhaps this plane had a somewhat controlled landing. that is to say it didn't drop from the sky in absolutely get obliterated as it hit the water. >> i think it came apart as a component. obviously there is damage on the part which indicates there was an impact with the water. the degree of damage is going to show that what you said. what was the impact force. it also confirms how the airplane went into the water. as you said before it will not answer all of the questions. it is the first piece of the puzzle. >> we heard a lot of talk about the barncles on the piece of debris. they can tell their own story. >> if you look at the disciplines involved here. oceanographers taking a look at the currents. where they found this on reunion island, if the plane indeed crashed where they think it crashed. second thing, marine biologists. a lot of questions. i think perhaps most importantly is whether where it is found and when it is found will have the investigators reexamine where they are now looking. >> you can try to trace it. >> it is every day. if you think about mathematically and i'm not an oceanographer, if you think every day that component has been affected. every storm changes the trajectory in the water. i think it is a general sense of whether it could have come from somewhere. they will not trace back a year or 16 months and find it in the water. >> it may never lead to the black boxes. this piece of debris tells its own story. with air france they were able to look at smaller pieces on that and find some things out. >> in any case it can rule out a number of things. if there was an explosion, damage on components might be seen. if there is no damage consistent with an explosion, that might tell you a little bit about that. it is really too soon to tell what information they will arrive from there. it is too soon to tell the families that this is in fact a 777. >> they should be able to find that out quickly. >> one thing they will find out quickly is we will know 100% and there will be official confirmation. >> justin thank you. i appreciate you coming in. we are covering the latest all morning on the missing malaysia airline 370 and the piece of debris washing up on shore on the remote reunion island. first, donald trump calls for a mass deportation. how does he plan to get it done? new this morning, donald trump revealing how a president trump would reform immigration. the gop frontrunner said he would deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants and then let what he calls the good ones back in. we have our interview with dana bash. >> reporter: john, donald trump is leading in the polls for lots of reasons. the thing that propelled him is the stance on illegal i am immigration. he talked about it when the other candidates did not want to talk about it. the question has been for donald trump what exactly are his plans beyond building a wall with mexico and so forth. i started by asking on that issue the question about the 11 million or maybe more undocumented immigrants in this country. listen to part of that. >> i want to get the bad ones out. not only the ones in the prisons, and by the way, they are never coming back. the ones going around in san francisco and shooting kate and shooting jamill. then we have a law, right? you are supposed to come in legally. i would put people out and have an expedited way of getting them back in the country so they can be legal. >> when you say get people out. are you talking about a mass deportation? >> we don't know who these people are. >> how do you find them? >> we have to find them. >> how do you do that? you are a bus guyiness guy. we will find them. we will get them out. >> you say get them out. just the process of that. there are a lot of smart people who have been focused on this for a long time and say this is not feasible. >> it is feasible if you know how to manage. >> john not an entirely fully formed position on immigration specifically on what to do with the undocumented people in this country. when it comes to the whole idea of dreamers. the young people who came through this country through no fault of their own, it was interesting to hear donald trump say out loud about what his position could be. also it will be interesting to see how that plays out when he is standing next to nine other candidates. competitors for the republican nomination during the debate next week. >> dana bash thanks. our breaking news this morning, a piece of debris found on an island in the indian ocean. investigators scouring it right now. could it be from missing malaysia airline flight 370? we have a reporter on the scene. we are breaking it down all morning. stay with us. running my own shop has been brutal. but then i got a domain and built my website all at godaddy. now i look so professional i just got my first customer who isn't related to me. get a domain website and email starting at $1/month all at godaddy. the breaking news this morning. a major development in the search for missing malaysia airline 370. the piece of debris recovered in the indian ocean. initial indications appear to be from a 777. cnn's tom forman has more. >> reporter: this piece of debris is about seven feet long and three or four feet wide. we are told it is consistent with a 777 made by boeing. let's bring up a model of the missing plane and talk about where you would find it on the plane. our aviation analysts say it would likely be on the back side of the left wing here. a controlling flaperon. it meets the first part of the test for a match. it is the right type of piece to find. it is also the right color and right condition. it has barncales over it. you have to check out the identifiers. almost all pieces have serial numbers on it. if the serial number matches the malaysia air flight, then that's the deal. they will know they have evidence of what happened to that plane. doesn't answer the question how did it wind up where it is. remember all of the search areas for the plane were over near the coast of australia over here. how did this get all the way over there some 2,300 miles or more away. that's where they have to look at the currents and see if ocean currents were strong enough to push it to reunion island and give us maybe the first physical piece of what happened to the missing plane. >> thanks tom foreman for that. a piece of debris found on reunion island. 2,300 miles away from where they have been searching for mh-370 mh-370. we we have a reporter live on reunion island with information. coming up after the break. the breaking news this morning. a piece of debris washes up on island. the same type the same color as missing mh-370. we have live team coverage breaking it all down. we have a report from this island starting right now. welcome back to "early start." i'm john berman. we want to welcome our viewers in the united states and around the world. a possible break through for the hunt for malaysia airline 370. a piece of debris on the shore of an island in the western indian ocean appears to be from a boeing 777. a boeing 777 is the model of mh-370 which disappeared with 239 people on board in march of 2014. some 500 days ago. the debris apparently a flaperon from a wing found on reunion island. that is 2,300 miles from where the plane is believed to have gone down. at least that's where they have been searching. cnn correspondent robyn kriel is there on reunion island and joins us with the latest. good morning, robyn. >> reporter: good morning, john. yes, reunion island a french island about a population of just under 1 million people and abuzz with the news it could be the piece of what looks to be a wing flap. a flap there iseron. the piece of the missing plane that the plane has been missing for 500 days. family members not able to believe that this plane could have gotten so far away from its original destination if it turns out to be a piece of that missing aircraft. the australians have been charged with the investigation and trying to figure out where it is. they have been doing a lot of searching for the missing aircraft john. this is what the deputy prime minister had to say about this latest discovery. >> this is obviously a very significant development. it's the first real evidence that there is a possibility that a part of the aircraft may have been found. it's too early to make that judgment but clearly we are treating this as a major lead. >> reporter: a major lead does turn out to be. we heard from a number of experts who say from what it looks like and what they can tell all indications seem to be this piece does not seem to have been in the water all that long. it looks like it has been there a year. it has barncles and shells on it. if it matches the part of the aircraft and boeing, the manufacturer could identify that part they could tell by the number that is etched on it that they can somehow match that with their part records if it is perhaps an airport maintenance log. it could be. they say it could be a major lead and could lead to eventually to the finding of the wreckage itself or the reason why the aircraft went down. if it is part of the aircraft. >> robyn, who found it and where was it found and who has it now? >> reporter: we understand it is in the authorities of the french air force. they are looking at it. the french police dragged it up from the beach and regular people found it. they found it floating and they called authorities. this has been the sight of aircraft crashes before. not this exact island but in the vicinity. it is a wide stretch of the indian ocean. we have seen big crashes here. various other crashes. none of 777. if this flaperon turns out to belong to a 777, that is the aircraft type of the missing mh-370 that will help narrow down the search. again, boeing not commenting at this stage. saying they cannot comment on the ongoing investigation. they will be able to tell from that number. that key crucial number if it is one of their aircraft parts. >> as of now, robyn, this is the only piece of debris we know about? >> reporter: as of now, yes. of course people really starting to look. as i said this is a french island. french air force have a base here. they will participate. it is confusing who has jurisdiction. in airline crashes, authorities, malaysian authorities have had jurisdiction up until now. australians being able to search as well. the australian authorities saying that this is not inn consistent with where it could end up given all of the studies they have done. they look at the gyres and currents of the ocean and weather and various weather patterns. they say this is not inconsistent inconsistent. >> one of the areas where they thought it could be. robyn kriel for us on reunion island. great to have a reporter there on the scene. thank you so much robyn. anxiously awaiting word if this debris is from mh-370. the families of the passengers and crew missing since the many disappeared. >> if ultimately this is a piece of the wing then that little thread of hope i have been holding on to will have to break and reality will have to take over. up until now, i and most of the family members have continued to believe until we have a body we can't give up hoping they will still come back. >> it has to be so hard for family members. most of the passengers were chinese citizens. cnn's andrew stevens has been in contact with the families since this happened some 500 days ago. he joins us from malaysia. families this morning, andrew weary. >> reporter: weary and anxious and nervous. these are words that have been used in the family members i have been speaking to. the words from sarah bajc are common. they have been hoping 500 days on. they still have this faint, faint belief that a miracle could have happened john. at the moment, you mention the word weary. they will not make a decision on whether these reports are actually true until it is 100% confirmed. you can understand why they think that. there were many false leads and false reports at the beginning of the search for mh-370 in the first weeks that it went down. many of those led to nothing. families are weary. 153 chinese nationals on the flight. the biggest number of nationals on that flight. interestingly, the families have been collectively speaking to the media. this is what they said in a statement. i just want to read this to you. this does encompass what most of the families are thinking. we will follow the developments and hope to receive the official confirmation as soon as possible. we do not want to hear guarantees of 99% likelihood. we need confirmation of 100% certainty. certainly that is what i'm hearing here in kuala lumpur. people are saying we heard the reports. interestingly, john they are getting most of their information from us from the media. there has been very little communication officially from malaysian authorities. no communication at all as far as i'm aware from the malaysian authorities to the families of the people on board that flight. they are waiting. we hear from the deputy transport minister saying he is almost certain this wing fragment is from a 777. he doesn't link it to 370, but certain it is from a 777. the families say to a person we want full truth this is the case. ? >> a lack of communication with the families. sadly consistent with the last 500 days. andrew stevens in malaysia. thank you so much. how likely is it that this piece, this missing piece from a plane, is from mh-370? joining us now to discuss this is justin green. a former military pilot and president of the air and safety bar association. justin thanks for being with us. justin if this piece, this flaperon is from a boeing 777, it has to be from mh-370. there is no other plane that went down anywhere near this place. there have only been four 777 crashes ever. how hard will it be to find this out? as soon as they have a person on the scene, it will be quickly to confirm? >> it will be easy to confirm. my guess is authorities and boeing probably already know, but they are doing right thing and they don't want to say until they are 100% certain. just think of one thing. i'm sure it was measured already. if the measurements match, it is likely a 777. >> the families want confirmation. they say 99% is not enough. they want 100% certainty it is from mh-370. i imagine finding out it is from a 777 is the first step. review for us what this piece from the plane does. what does a flaperon do? >> the airplane has flaps and aerlons. it controls the airplane and rolls. as the airplane wants to turn the two aerlons turn and cause the airplane to roll. the flaperon does the same job as flaps and increases lift and allows the airplane to fly slowly as it is landing. it helps turn the airplane. that's why it is called a flaperon. >> they have been looking for 500 days. 2,500 miles from where this piece washed up. a piece of debris could have floated all this way? >> most of the wreckage is thought to have sunk and most likely at the bottom. it is unlikely that large pieces of the wreckage have been floating. so what they said is this is a possible location and their analysis of the currents it is possible that a wreckage could end up on reunion island. >> if this is from mh-370 and look it is looking more and more like it could be this morning. if it is the fuselage the main part of the plane with the black boxes, could still be at the bottom of the sea. >> i think what is key information, a lot of information will come out if this is the part from the airplane. one of the issues i think is most important, it may have them take a look at where they are now looking and maybe move their search area or increase their search area. >> this will be the most analyzed seven-foot piece of metal. what clues could this provide? >> it will tell the investigators how the airplane impacted the water. it will perhaps rule out a major explosion or a missile strike or something like that. if there is no evidence of that or at least indicate that is unlikely. it will also -- the barncles that you mentioned before one thing the families will have is a little convenient they find this piece. the fact it has evidence it has been in the water for a year would suggest this is not some sick prank by someone. >> we are waiting word. waiting confirmation this is from mh-370. justin green, thank you. we will cover every angle of the story all morning long. the piece of debris on reunion island. cnn has a reporter there. we will get back to her in a moment. first, donald trump calling for the deportation of 11 million illegal immigrants. he tells cnn why he's the only one who can get it done. that's next. new this morning, donald trump reveals how a president trump would reform immigration. the republican frontrunner said he would deport all 11 million undocumented immigrants and then let all the good ones back in. our reporter dana bash has more from her interview with donald trump. >> reporter: john donald trump is leading in the polls for lots of reasons, but probably the thing that propelled him early on was his stance against illegal immigration. the fact he took on the issue at a time when the dozen plus other republican candidates really didn't want to talk about it as much as they had in past election years. the question has been for donald trump what exactly are his plans beyond building a wall with mexico and so forth. i started by asking on that issue the question about the 11 million or maybe more undocumented immigrants in this country. what would he do about that. >> i want to get the bad ones out. not only theones in prisons and by the which they are never coming back. the ones in san francisco shooting kate and then shooting jamill. we have a law. i would get people out and have an expedited way of getting them back into the country so they can be legal. >> hold on. when you say get people out. are you talking about a mass deportation? >> we don't even know who these people are. >> how do you find them? >> we have to find them. >> how do you do that? you are a business guy. >> we have to find them. politicians aren't going to find them. they have no clue. we will find them. we will get them out. >> still, get them out. just the process of that. there are a lot of smart people focused on this for a long time saying it is just not feasible. >> it is feasible if you know how to manage. politicians don't know how to manage. >> john not an entirely fully formed position on immigration specifically on what to do with the undocumented people in this country so far. when it comes to the whole idea of dreamers. the young people who came to this country through no fault of their own. it was interesting to hear donald trump say out loud, almost think out loud what his position could be. it will be interesting to see how that plays outstanding next to the other republicans during the debate next week. >> dana thank you so much. our breaking news this morning. a piece of debris on reunion island. 2,500 miles away from where they have been searching for mh-370. is this the break through they have been waiting for? we have a reporter live on reunion island. we have developments. stay with us. breaking news this morning. a major development in the search for the missing malaysia airline 370. a piece of debris recovered in the island on the western indian ocean. it does appear to be from a boeing 777. cnn's tom foreman with more now and how officials can figure out it is from the missing malaysian jet. >> reporter: this piece of debris is about seven feet long and three or four feet wide and we're now told it is consistent with what you would find on a 777 made by boeing. let's bring up a model of the missing plane and talk about where you would find it on the plane. our analysts say it would likely be on the back side of the left wing. a controlling flaperon. it meets the first part of the test for a match. it is the right type of piece to find. it is the right color and right condition. it is consistent with something in the water with 500 days roughly. now you have to check out the identifiers. almost every part on the big aircraft has serial numbers on it like this seat cushion from a different plane. if they find the serial number on the other part and it matches the malaysia air flight then that's the deal. they will know they have evidence of what happened to that plane. doesn't answer the question how did it wind up where it is. remember all of the search areas for the plane were over near the coast of australia over here. how did this get all the way over there some 2,300 miles or more away. that's where they have to look at the currents and see if ocean currents were strong enough to push it over there to reunion island and give us maybe the first physical piece of what happened to this missing plane. >> tom foreman, thank you. we continue to follow the breaking news this morning on missing malaysia airline flight 370. the breaking news a piece of debris found on an island. is it connected to the missing flight? we have a reporter on reunion island coming up next. runn my own shop has been brutal. but then i got a domain and built my website all at godaddy. now i look so professional i just got my first customer who isn't related to me. get a domain website and email starting at $1/month all at godaddy. do you toss and turn? wake up with back pain? if so, call now! the sleep number bed supports you with a cushion of air that conforms to your body for more proper spinal alignment and better sleep. before i had my sleep number bed i just had a hard time getting us because i'd been tossing and turning all night. now with my sleep number bed, i'm able to sleep through the night and i wake 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the east. welcome to the viewers in the united states and around the world. the breaking news. a major development in
we start in paris with senior correspondent fred pleitgen. >> reporter: we want to get to arrests. three men in turkey allegedly tied to isis. one ahmed damani staying at a popular tourist hotel since november 16th. now, what you are looking at is all three men taken into custody. france is extending its state of emergency for another three months as new fears in brussels have emerged. authorities taking action after what they say is a serious and imminent threat, warning people to stay away from large groups, shutting down major subway line, drew zbrimpb in the belgium capital of brussels. drew the belgium prime minister came out and said the high alert is based on what he said, quite precise information of an attack. what are you hearing? >> reporter: they had an mortgages meeting this morning, this threat level rising to the highest level came in the middle of the night. so most of the nyeem this town woke up to the news that this was going on 67 as you can see, there were people on the street, many, many shops were closed. the subways are closed. buses were on low alert. it takes forever to get a taxi in this town t. major games, soccer games, et cetera, have been canceled based on government orders. this is what the prime minister had to tell his people this morni morning. >> the first thing is a large event. the sec thing is a mobilized station or public transport, mainly the metro and the large number of people going to metro stations for capacity needed more security. this recommendation was addressed until tomorrow afternoon because it's being near the situation. >> reporter: so quite unprecedented the tell his people, don't dpats in large groups. don't go to concerts. don't do what so many people in brussels were hoping to do this saturday morning, which was live their lives normally. fred. >> reporter: drew, all this, of course, comes after a week of raids in belgium in the wake of those paris attacks. we will get back to you, thank you very much. drew griffin in brussels. we want to go to our other breaking story. we are learning new details about those people arrested in turkey. authorities suspect these men have dice in isis after last week's paris attacks. one is a belgium national of moroccan dissent. he seems to have been scouting target sites. it, of course, happened in the french capitals. tell us more about these events and how it could help in the hunt forthat last suspect, who apparently is at large, salah abdeslam. >> reporter: well, here's the details we have. he's a 26-year-old by the name of ahmed dalmani, belgium-moroccan. he appears to have come recently and staying at a five star hotel. he appears to have been waiting for two other men to come pick him up. two syrian men. and authorities there believe according to our affiliate, they were going to bring him across, there were eight attackers, including salah abdeslam and on the one and this is what investigators are trying to work out. whether or not this new arrest if turkey shows that logistical support that they had across belgium, france and now, it appears, possibly links to syria and turkey. >> thank you very much. aatika schubert there. residents in mali under a nation wide day of mourning and that goes on for ten day, which is a state of emergency. after gunmen stormed a hotel two or three heavily armed militants bypassed security with fake diplomatic license plates yesterday morning. witnesses say they jumped out and immediately started shooting at anyone that moved. mali and u.n. security forces arrested dozens of people trapped in the hotel for hours. a group affiliated with al qaeda is taking responsibility for the attack. at least 19 people have been killed. not all of the victims have been identified yet. we know they were from all over the world, including russia, china, belgium and also, this is key, the united states. the lone american victim was a 41-year-old mother and public health worker living in maryland. her family says they are quote devastated by her death and we have our own robin kriel live n nairobi right now. why was anita in mali? >> reporter: for one, she worked for a company palladium. she was committed to health. we understand more about the victims. as you said, one less citizen, 41-year-old and many, many others, however, there are 19 victims in total, two of which are the, which were attack. as far as we know, mali the still on the lookout. there is, security services are still scouring the capital bamako for more attackers. >> robin, what do we know about the attackers, the identities, which groups they're from? report. as far as nothing yet about the individual attackers. the groups they came from. two groups came forward, both affiliated with al qaeda. al qaeda and the islamic, it had a strong foughthold in mali and it's quite interesting, they have launched a couple similar attacks like this in month. a hotel popular with westerners, killing 17 people. some of the modus operandi. they attacked a bar in the capital of bamako a couple months ago. both of these groups have come forward. there is some worry amongst exrts they may be trying to compete in some way with isis, kind of riding the wave of the terrorist attacks in paris to try to get more attention and that this could turn into some kind of a jihadi extremist competition before the two groups. >> yeah, absolutely. >> that is a concern, something security experts say may have been going on a while a. competition, disgusting competition for terror between these two groups. robin kriel keeping an eye on the situation if nairobi. thank you very much. we will have much more from paris coming up. more on the breaking news that the paris terrorist attacks investigation spread to turkey with three pictures with alleged ties to isis have just been arrested. we got more on that when we come back. coughing...sniffling... and wishing you could stay in bed all day. when your cold is this bad... ...you need new theraflu expressmax. theraflu expressmax combines... maximum strength medicines available without a prescription... ...to fight your worst cold and flu symptoms... ...so you can feel better fast and get back to the job at hand. new theraflu expressmax. the power to feel better.tm ...one of many pieces in my life. so when my asthma symptoms kept coming back on my long-term control medicine, i talked to my doctor and found a missing piece in my asthma treatment. once-daily breo prevents asthma symptoms. breo is for adults with asthma not well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. breo won't replace a rescue inhaler for sudden breathing problems. breo opens up airways to help improve breathing for a full 24 hours. breo contains a type of medicine that increases the risk of death from asthma problems and may increase the risk of hospitalization in children and adolescents. breo is not for people whose asthma is well controlled on a long-term asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. once your asthma is well controlled, your doctor will decide if you can stop breo and prescribe a different asthma control medicine, like an inhaled corticosteroid. do not take breo more than prescribed. see your doctor if your asthma does not improve or gets worse. ask your doctor if 24-hour breo could be a missing piece for you. see if you're eligible for 12 months free at mybreo.com. in the country have in common? 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some were arrested as part of scouting out the scene? >> well it was those suspicious with turkey for long time. we had a lot of trouble with them. the traffic with the passport t. border, which is not safe. >> reporter: whifs the entry point to syria? >> it was a great point to enter and also a bigger part of the traffic comes from turkey. at the same time, we were expecting something from the turkish authority and so it's a good thing. >> it also comes as the investigation moves forward. we are still looking for one of the suspects, salah abdeslam, but at the same time, many people believe the web of those involved in this was a lot bigger. what do you think, how much more arrests can we expect? >> well, it's sometimes interfering in the investigation, of course, i'm just a member of the senate. >> reporter: people are talking. >> people are talking, but at the same time, we have to be very cautious. the more you talk about that and the more you can make the suspect aware of who is looking for them. so what we know for sure from the very begining is that this operation was very strong, very org united, like an octopus with a lot of ramification and with a real strong connection with a target to kill. so we are now expecting some news from belgium. >> reporter: now is week after all of this happened, how are people dealing with it? how is france dealing with this? >> well, i think we are still under very emotional shock. also, it's like a twilight zone. >> reporter: the twilight zone. >> means that the day-to-day life is bad, but at the same time we have a picture of smiling young people in mind engraved and we cannot get rid of them and then we think the family the funeral didn't start yet. we will have a national ceremony next week. so i think we are going to cross very painful times. >> reporter: at the same time all of this has caused a political reaction. yesterday the upper house of parliament approved the emergency measures being extended. what sort of situation does that create politically? because at the same time, you have a discussion, a fear of islamophobia in the wake of all this? >> zbe. >> reporter: what do you make of the political discussions going on? >> we have a strong an anonymity of the state. we have the government and the minister of interior to fight. it was very important for us to support our police and also the government for what they are doing and what they will do. you know, it's something like a real imagined state and at the same time we are now facing election and under a state of emergency. >> reporter: which is never good. >> not a good situation. so i think that people will probably react, considering that the government was really doing a good job. or they will fold into a national front harm with this is so bad, expression that they use, which is terrible like immigration of today will be terrorism of tomorrow and that scares me a lot. >> reporter: thank you very much for joining us today and as you can see in paris the city very much on edge like we have been saying. the investigation, of course, also still very much moving forward, standing belgium now also expanding apparently into turkey. there is a lot to talk about as we cover these events unfolding. back to you, victor and kristi. >> thank you have much, fred, we appreciate it. listen, still to come, another tragedy the u.s. military admitting civilians were likely caught in the cross fire on that fight against isis. >> president obama says the cowardly attack only stiffens the resolve to defeat terrorism. 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airstrike in march that killed four civilians, according to document, the strike took a curve rather at a isis checkpoint. >> let's talk about this airstrike with analyst leiutenant general mark hertling. general, i want to get to you respond to the questions about how often this happens, 26 similar incidents under review now. how common are potential errors like this? >> when you are talking about over 7,000 airstrikes, which the coalition, primarily the united states has conducted, victor, this does happen, unfortunately. this is war and sometimes civilians are on the ground involved in these strikes. but i think what you have to remember too is the united states and the coalition members around the targeting cell tried to take great care in not hitting these kind of targets. they try and clear the area. they try and be mindful of the potential collateral damage. all of that is a part of the targeting process. sometimes war is not perfect. >> it must be extraordinarily difficult to 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with the guidance and support of your dedicated pnc wealth management team. >> welcome back, everyone, we are following breaking news out of turkey, where three men are now under arrest, suspected of having ties to isis. one of the men, 26-year-old, morgan dissent was arrested at a high end hotel in a southeast turkish hotel. they believe two men were trying to smuggle him into syria. meanwhile, british prime minister david cameron says he will travel to paris on monday to hold talks with french president francois hollande about a cooperative plan to fight isis together. meanwhile, brussels is under its highest terror level under a quote serious and imminent threat shuts down, the government warns citizens to stay away from public gathering. now, several terror suspect versus ties to the town of molenbeek, a suburb of brussels. it isn't the first time a terrorist has come from there cnn's drew griffin reports. >> reporter: this mostly muslim group of brussels is becoming synonymous with terror in europe. at least a half dozen terrorist attacks have links to molenbeek. local prosecutors say dozens of foreign fighters in syria have come from here and more and more terrorists come here to shop in the plaque market that specializes in the tools of their trade. >> it's full passports, weapons trade are flourishing in surgeon suburbs of brussels like molenbeek. we absolutely have to counter these things with the help of local services, also to help with criminal justice. >> reporter: this senior fellow at a brussels think tank focusing on immigration and security says illicit trade, especially in guns, has put belgium and molenbeek on the terror trap. >> big black weapons come from europe and the balcan countries and it's very easy for criminal gangs or terrorist groupings to find weapons, even war weapons here in our city. >> reporter: he says kalashnikov rifles, the gun of choice in recent attacks can be purchased on the belgium black market for as little as a thousand dollars. >> reporter: you are actually getting good money, price. >> indeed, yeah. >> reporter: that's a problem. and there the another problem, he says, that may be much bigger? what we see the last three, four five years is that there is a merge between the jihadi radical world and between the criminal world. because lots of jihadists meet with criminals in prison. i think the role of islam with these young people is that it's like a mental detonation mechanism. so some of them are hard core jihadis who socialize in this branch of islam since they were young. some of them are not that muslim at all. >> reporter: that appears to be the case for the man that operates this bar. ibrahim abdeslam was known as a petty criminal. the bar shut down a week before the paris attacks because of drug and ileus it activity. friends and family say his involvement in radical islam came as a shock. last week salah abdeslam blew himself up wearing a suicide vest. his family was stunned. his brother is on the run. he, too, has a criminal past from molenbeek, in 2011 spent time in police within another molenbeek criminal abdelhamid abaaoud, three criminals turned jihadist. drew griffin, cnn, molenbeek, belgium. >> reporter: all right. drew joins us live from brussels. i hear have you breaking news for us. what did you learn? >> reporter: there have been nightly raid. they a. >> announcer: they a/* /- -- they announced, and confiscated several guns, no explosionives and, fred, what frightening in the release. they said they did not find any explosive vests. so one person was brought into custody, but that is all the information we have at this time. fred. >> all right. drew griffin, thank you very much. you will keep an eye on that situation as it unfollowings there in the belgium capital. all right. i want to move along now. we have the managing director of global strata an international security and geopolitical risk consultant firm. olivier, you think today's shut jo unin bruss shutdown in brussels. how specific do you think that information about a plot is? >> look, for a city the size of brusz els to be shut down, to have the subway shut down, the credible information and intel that they have must be really, really hot. because that's the first time that i've seen this happening anywhere in europe in the past few years, probably through the french or the moroccans, they may have had information or possibly from the people that they arrested. in the past few days that may have given specific intel on attacks. >> reporter: olivier guitel. back in january, we covered belgium as a part of the plot when "charlie hebdo" was attacked. now, belgium appears to be the central, extremism, second of all, the weapons pipeline. when did belgium become a hot bed of weapons trafficking and second of all extremism? >> look, it's been a while that we have known about molenbeek as a hotbed of jaud jihadi terrorists. even last year you can see the proof was in the pudding they say when they attacked brussels and that already links to molenbeek. so it's been springing up. you also have the fact that belgium represents proportionally the highest number of foreign jihadists from europe into iraq. when it comes to weapons trafficking, also, it's in a hub and i think that belgium authorities didn't see this coming in the scale that it is. and today you have to remember this nexus between french and belgium sales that is very important because of the common language and because of the easy necessary of the brussels in paris, for instance. >> thank you very much nor joining us there via skype from london. we have a lot more still to come. questions over how well travel watch lists for terrorists actually work in the after math of the paris attacks. cnn has learned one of the attackers could have, could have traveled to the united states. more now after the break. well, this is a first. at&t and directv are now one. so get ready to laugh here and cry 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venues for the terrorist attacks that took place right here in the french capital in various locations last friday. he was arrested at a high end hotel in the southeastern turkish city antalia. police believe two other men under arrest were trying to smuggle him into syria. we will have more on both of those developments throughout the morning. there are more concerns and questions about u.s. national security in the wake of the paris terrorist attacks. after officials reveal that at least one of the eight paris attackers likely would have been able to travel to the united states, that's right. our own cnn justice reporter evan perez has more. >> reporter: at least one of the paris attackers, possibly more, had clean enough background they could have traveled to the u.s. under the visa waiver program. an fishlg says more than one was on the no fly list and four were on the watch list known as tied. there are 1.1 million names on the tied list t. no fly list is smaller. it's the highest level security risk. there are disagreement among law enforcement how well these watchlists would have worked to stop these attackers from traveling to the u.s. one intelligence official says human sources and other intelligence methods would have filled those gaps. law enforcement superficial i officials are very concerned that's not the case. this is not a new concern in the past year the homeland security department has added new requirements for information from citizens traveling from 38 visa waiver countries. but as a sign the obama administration is taking gaps seriously, expect to hear in the coming days new steps that european countries in the visa waiver program are going to take to provide more information to the u.s. now, one u.s. official says that the vast majority of the people who are attackers or plotters were on watch lists and most were on the no fly list. evan perez, cnn, walk. >> and victor and kristi, so many things we are looking at. that breaking news coming out of turkey with three arrests, including one man, who is apparently possibly tied to the plots that unfolded here last friday. then, of course, the situation in brussels that is ongoing. the new raising of the terror alert here. then, of course, we have the situati situation in mali. there is so much going on we are reporting here in paris. >> fred, before we let you go, i have a question at the top of this half hour, took a brief look at the people there behind you and the messages and flowers in the memorialium. give us an idea more than a week since this attack the mood there in paris. >> reporter: well, look, i think people are absolutely shocked about the attack, about the fact that something like this happened in their city and there is also among many people, a feel feeling of defiance, they say we will not let our way of life be influenced by terrorism. many people also very much on board with the expansion of the french military campaign in syria. those additional bombings taking place as well. of course, people feel vulnerable. they're afraid something like this could happen again. they were also a very shocked by the fact that you had those terror raids just outside of paris where they killed the main suspect in these terrorist attacks. people here are very, very concerned about their safety, about their security. at the same time, they are very, very much defiant. >> all right, fred, thank you so much. meanwhile, we are tracking the president in asia. he's talking about that hotel attack in mali, and facing mali and the u.s. forces in fact for stopping a bigger tragedy. >> we will talk about the possibility raised by the french prime minister warning that isis could use chemical weapons in future attacks. >> that and much more coming up. >> like the heinous attacks in paris and all too elsewhere, this is a reminder the threat of scourge threatens our nation. >> president obama speaking about the latest terror affecting across the globe as he attends a summit in malaysia with ten southeast asian nations. >> the president spoke about the roll asians are playing in the night against terror. he makes emotional remarks on the role of refugees. let's go to cnn michelle ka sin ski live in kuala lumpur. good morning. good to see you. i know the president says one is accounted for, one is already dead. what is happening? how is the u.s. a helping in that regard and how are other nations helping as well? >> reporter: you know, there are members of the u.s. military there on site. they were able help coordinate how to work after the attack happened. we all thought it was interesting this morning to hear the president say that. that was the first we had heard that there were americans that were being sorkts who are currently unaccounted for. that's all the information they would give, as far as number or what is their status? we just don't know yet. so that's an ongoing process. in terms of intelligence, we know the u.s. and other countries are working hard to share intelligence more than ever before to try to find the attackers as well as more future attacks. that's what's being talked about how, share intelligence to the maximum extent. so, hopefully, even though we weren't able prevent these attacks that we have seen it will in the future. >> i know he spoke about the refugees as well, made some emotional remarks about that, and the challenge here is finding a balance between compassion and security. did he spaek to that at all in terms of, is there a way to do that? >> reporter: he did. i mean, it was interesting. over the past few days, we saw the president repeatedly slamg republicans for the rhetoric we heard, especially from the 2016 candidates and their ideas. the president called that offensive, not who we are. he really used heavy criticism. but today, at this refugee center, this organization that works with refugees, people who have escaped war, victims of human trafficking. there were a lot of children there, the president was able interact with. he said, look, these are the faces of this problem. the refugee crisis affects the entire world. and he really tried to hit that point home saying these places are indistinguishable from our fellow americans. the thought that people would be afraid of these children is just unfathomable. it's not the best of who we are. listen. >> when we talk about american leadership, american leadership is us caring about people who have been forgotten or who have been discriminated against or who have been tortured or who have been subject to unspeakable violence or who have been separated from families at very young ages. that's american leadership. that's when we're the shining light on the hill. not when we respond on the basis of fear. >> reporter: and the president really emphasized that america and the world needs to be continuing to take refugees in for those reasons. the white house keeps emphasizing the vast majority of people who come from syria and 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that point, we're going to go live back to france with the latest on the investigation and this ongoing and growing manhunt. >> listen to this. chemical weapons fears in france now after a chilling warning from the prime minister, hospitals are now stepping up on medicine and also u.s. airports are tightening security ahead of, oh, you know it, a busy travel season. so many people are on a plane. there is growing concern regarding a visa program that officials say would u could have allowed some of those paris attackers to slip here into the u.s. so much more to tell you about this morning. >> in the next hour starts right no now. >> breaking news, belgium authorities made an arrest, the suspect's home in the molenbeek neighborhood of brussels was searched a. few weapons were found, no explosives, however. now to turkey the three men suspected to having ties to isis were taken into custody with an early morning raid, including two men who have been trying to smuggle one of the planners of the paris attacks into syria. also, brussels on high alert t. belgium prime minister saying a short time ago the high terror alert is based on, this is a quote, quite precise information of a possible attack. >> we are always so grateful to see you, thanks for spending time with us. i'm kristi paul. >> i'm victor blackwell. we want to get back to fred pleitgen leading our news in paris. >> reporter: good morning, we are covering all the new developments from the entire region, including that breaking news that belgium authorities made an arrest in connection with the paris terrorist attacks. the belgium federal prosecutors office says the suspect told molenbeek in that district i district of brussels seeing the radicalism in the raids going on, it was searched and a few weapons were found, no explosives were found. what does the mean for the investigation in paris? 23 will have a lot more in just a minute. we will also go live to brussels as well. also, we are following breaking news of arrests in turkey. three men allegedly tied to isis. one of them ahmed damani has been staying at a popular tourist hotel since november 16th. that was three days after the attacks took place here in paris and they believe he may have scouted the targeted venues in the paris terrorist attacks. of course, various locations here throughout the city. what you are looking at right now is video of all three men being taken into custody. authorities believe the other two men were trying to smuggle damani into syria. they apparently are syrian nationals. meanwhile the prime ministers of france and the united kingdom will meet on monday. in two days, as a part of a cooperative plan to fight isis more collectively as new fears arrive in brussels. authorities are taking action of a serious and imminent threat as the prime minister of the country said, warning people to stay away from large groups and shutting down major subway lines. now, we have all of these developments for you this morning, beginning withdrew griffin who's following the breaking news developments from brussels in belgium. drew, what are you learning about this late st arrest that took place? >> reporter: really, a brief statement came out of the federal prosecutors office just about an hour ago, fred, all it said was they confiscated some weapons. as you said, no explosive vests. they made sure to point that out in their announcement, that no explosives and no explosive vests were found. they did take this person into custody. they have been staging raids night after night all around brussels, but this one seems to have come after the threat level was raised. >> that threat level raised really, fred, in the middle of the night. wee hours of the night. we got notice of this and then this morning, as we show you, the empty streets or the mostly empty streets and the closed shops, the prime minister did come on and talk about a specific threat, a threat of a paris-style attack, multiple locations. hit with guns and explosives. those were the prime minister's own words this morning. people are out walking around. certainly not as many as there would be on a busy pre-holiday kind of shopping saturday. but again, a very serious situation here with people trying to stay away from other people, basically and don't go about your lives as you normally would do. brad. >> all right, thank you very much, drew griffin keeping an eye on the situation in the belgium capital of brussels. those three men arrested in turkey in connection with the paris traengs. turkish authorities suspect they have ties to isis and one of them may have been scouting target sites for the november 13th attack, which, of course, took place at various locations here in paris, cafes, also that one theater in bataclan. i want to go to atika schubert, tell us more about these arrests made in turkey and how it could help in the hunt for that last suspect salah abdeslam. >> reporter: absolutely. well, as you point out, that eighth suspect, salah abdeslam was last seen cross from france into belgium and what investigators are trying to do is piece towing the logistical network that was behind these eight attackers that carried out these terrorist attacks in paris. so now they're looking at this 26-year-old ahmed damani arrested in turkey. he seems to have arrived quite recently. they picked him up just as he was being met by two other suspects. two syrians who crossed over and turkish authorities there believe that he was preparing to cross over into syria. so this is really all about trying to figure out what was the logistical network that allowed the attackers to carry out these attacks. they're trying to net as many people as possible, fred. >> yeah, i want to take a look at this video here with our viewers. it's the moment the suicide bomber blows himself up in that sontene neighborhood during the raid. we know that abdelhamid abaaoud, his cousin, were there. what are officials saying about the identity of that third suspect, that third body that was found? >> reporter: they have not made public any identity yet. i think that speaks to just what a horrific scene it was there at the scene of the raid in sontene the initial explosion of that suicide bomb clearly left body parts all over. then when the roof collapsed after the controlled detonations, it made the situation even more difficult for forensic scenes on the ground. so they're still trying to identify the third person killed in that attack. there has been some speculation in the local press here about whether or not it could actually be salah abdeslam, but again, the last time he was side was going into brussels. that's where the investigation and the hunt for him has been focused on so far. >> thank you very much. keeping an eye on the sings for us. they're here, right here in paris. i want to bring if harold heiman, a french diplomacy expert. sir, what do you think about salah abdeslam? he's obviously out at large, how is the hunt for him going? >> they're doing the usual things. blocking the roads, comparing tear files within the belgium police and secret service and the french police and se set service. >> what do you make of the arrests taking place? >> what is really weird is that the eight who were arrested in sontene, of them, seven were released. >> we have where abdelhamid abaaoud was killed. we heard eight people taken into custody. seven have been released. what does that say about the raids? >> authorities are not saying. what it says, they cast two wide and they don't feel like detaining everybody for their special powers, simply because they have some vague connection. so it's tactical, if you let go minor fish, maybe that will move around, panic. you might get a lead. >> how in general would you say the investigation is going at this point if time. you are keeping up with french media, with french sources, what do we know about the wider cell? we keep hearing about a suspect here, a suspect there. how unclear how this web comes together? >> well, if it were that clear, they would have something to go with. what they know is it's a combination of two things. people coming out of syria, including syrians, as we are beginning to find out. who were trained within the isis system to do these sort of attacks, and people who were home grown and the home grown then dove tail and then everybody moves around in arab neighborhoods so they don't get noticed. that's really why they've attacked so close. >> what can we combat? what ask we do to stop that? you have neighbors here to penetrate them as well? >> well, they don't know all the ifs and outs, but they have feelings and they know since august that more and more people are coming in from syria, jihadi types. but, you just can't round them up because you look like you have a jihadi face. so but a lot of this kind of faces out there. so there is a real dilemma on what to do. what would have to be done is to re-introduce the little local espionage that we used to have a general intelligence, what policemen their only job was looking, listening, sending reports. >> that has died down in favor of electronics under surveillance. we have to go back to local under surveillance. let me add the electronic under surveillance was not so bad up to this point. they actually did find a few leads. >> reporter: do you think that, so many people have been critical, this plot was unfolding. a lot of these guys were under under surveillance before this plot happened. was the intelligence failures that happened a problem of gathering intelligence or a problem of interpreting intelligence? >> sleerclearly of interpreting intelligence. our problem is not finding the material in the electronic under surveillance, it's interpreting it. that's why whenever they have somebody who is under under surveillance nay sort of let them live. under surveillance just means when you go in and out of the country, are you spotted. you are put on the list, so and so left, so and so came in. it's not even necessarily transmitted to belgium or germany or whatever. >> thank you very much for joining us. again this morning. >> right. still to come here on cnn, as we are covering the breaking news out of france and belgium, they were shooting at anything that moved. >> that is a quote from mali, where we are learning more about what happened inside that hotel when gunmen stormed the building and opened fire. we be at the time latest on the hunt for the three of the terrorists. . that's coming up. plus the u.s. is on high alert this hour as fears of terrorism spread around the globe. details on what's being done to protect against an attack, also, could chemical weapons be in the hands of isis, the french government isn't taking any chances. that's coming up next. all right. we are following breaking news here out of paris and also out of belgium. belgium authorities have made an arrest in connection with the terrorist attacks. that's what they are now doing this morning. the belgium federal prosecutors office says the suspect's home was searched and a few weapons were found, but and this is important, no explosives were found. also breaking news coming to us this morning outs of turkey, where three men are under arrest suspected of having ties to isis. one of the men, a 26-year-old belgium of moroccan dissent reportedly scouted venues for the terrorist attack that happened right here in paris, a little over a week ago. of course, those happened in various locations around the center of the city. he was arrested at a hotel in the southeastern town, a coastal resort. officials believe two other men under arrest were trying to smuggle him into syria. those other two men are syrian nationals. we will have more on those developments throughout this morning as we cover the breaking news here from the de la republique in paris. we want to turn to the terrorist attack in mali, residents there are under a ten day state of emergency after terrorists gunds down at least 19 people in a hotel on friday. an american was among the victims. the 41-year-old mother was a public health worker who often traveled to africa and to asia. her brother says the family is devastated and it's unbelievable she has been killed in this senseless act of violence and terrorism. anita was one of the kindest and generous people we know. robin kriel. we know two terrorists died during the attack. what's the latest on the search for more militants behind this? >> l. >> reporter: well, according to officials, they are looking for three people in the attack. not sure if they were in the hotel or exactly how they are linked with this. perhaps they were drivers of the vehicles. we're not sure at this point. bamako under you said a ten-day state of emergency. one national day of mourning cleared by the president. indeed, a manhunt under way for those three suspected attackers or somehow aiders of the attackers. the operation to clear the hotel went late into friday night, fred. obviously, it's a huge hotel. 190 rooms, western hotel one of the most luxurious hotels in mali. american owned. 190 rooms cleared as well as kitchens and various other places attackers could have been hiding or hostages for that siege which lasted all of friday, continued late into friday night. >> reporter: now when you leave the countries from where the victims are from, it really is people from around the world, really, from india. you have people from france, of course, one from the united states, is that one of the reasons they targeted this hotel? theyped to hit a site with international people in it? >> certainly, when you hit a site from all over the world, the media will cover it. >> that is the aim for these small sophisticated asymmetrical press. they want al qaeda, both of the groups who claimed these attack will want maximum exposure. it's been wondered by analysts if this is in some case riding on the wave of those attacks, yes, people from around the world, china, turkey, algeria, 12 americans were involved we understand in this siege, although, only one of them was killed. >> thank you very much, robin. in our next hour, we will take a closer look at a terror group launching these attacks around the world and president obama was also very quick to condemn the attack that happened in ma'ami saying it only strengthens the united states' determination to root out and destroy terror groups. here's what he had to say. >> like the heinous attacks we saw in paris and attacks we see all too often elsewhere, this is another awful reminder that the scourge of terrorism threatens so many of our nations. and once again this barbarity stiffens our resolve to meet this challenge. we will stand with the people of mali. the president called the victims innocent people who had everything to live for and still ahead, the latest on what u.s. officials are doing to keep americans safe after another week of deadly terrorist attacks. plus, the details on why french doctors are stocking up on treatments, in case of a capital weapons attack by isis. . 22 minutes past the hour and terrorists threats around the world citing a serious and imminent threat. belgium placed brussels at its highest alert level and we are learning more about the paris french attacks. >> this comes as the government extends its state of emergency, giving the police there the power to carry out special arrests and searches for suspects for an additional three months. meanwhile, let's go to west africa and mali rearing from an attack there. u.s. officials are working around the clock to ensure the same thing does not happen here. what are you hearing today, chris? >> reporter: good morning, kristi. in the wake of these terrorist attacks, isis threatened to blow up the white house and attack time's square. the faa says that's nothing but terrorist propaganda. the director says so far there is no credible evidence that isis has a u.s. attack in the works. on friday, new york city police commissioner bill bratton explains why then there were more cops on the streets in new york city. >> we it raerate, isis has been continuing threatening the city and the country as well as washington and we have clearly seen in the eventilatory of the last we -- events of last week, we are continuing to increase our response in terms of visibility. >> reporter: so the fbi says they are closely watching dozens of people who pose the highest risk of carrying out a copycat attack. isis sympathizers were taken up a notch following the paris attacks. here's how the fbi director james comey described the threat. >> a threat here focuses primarily on troubled soul souls in america inspired or enabled online to do something violent for isil. we have stopped a lot of those people this year, especially leading up to july 4th and there are others we worry about. we cross the country using all of our lawful tools. so that's how 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warning saying terrorists could go as far as using chemical weapons in future attacks. some critics accuse the prime minister of stoking fears, unnecessarily. the french government isn't taking any chances. after the carnage of the paris terrorist attacks, french authorities fear in the future terrorists could go even further. possibly launching chemical attacks. while the possibility appears remote the government is ordering first responders to be prepared. at this hospital, this doctor is upgrading his atropine stock, an anti-serum for nerve gas. before we had a civilian, but now on we will use military grade, it's more concentrated and easier to use in case of such an attack. it's used for instance in cases of sarin poisoning. it was used if syria's capital damascus in 2013, there were around 1,400 people according to state department. the emergency medical personnel here say they're well prepared with respirators and special protective suits for at least 75 first responders. just in case there should be a chemical attack the hospital is equipped with three of the state plans that can deal with almost any emergency. it was france's prime minister who first warned of possible chemical terror plots. i say it with all the precaution needed, he said, but we know and bear in mind that there is also a risk of chemical or biological weapons. >> that drew criticism from some accusing the prime minister of stoking fear, but the doctor in charge says it's better to be safe than possibly one day sorry. the risk isn't major, he says, but it exists. it's a part of our job as emergency doctors to be prepared for these attacks. after the attack, france faced this year alone this nation wants to make sure the first responders are as ready as they can be for any scenario should terror strike again. >> all right. we have our own atika schubert live here in paris let's talk more about the suspects arrested in turkey. >> reporter: well, we know that there are three suspects arrested in turkey, but the main focus has been within one of them, a belgium moroccan, a 26-year-old who apparently arrived recently. he was arrested in the town of antolia, authorities believe that he was about to be picked up and transported across to the syrian border. the other two that were arrested were syrian nationals arriving to meet him in antolia. the question is whether or not he was a scout. our affiliate believe his role was. this is important. while they have identified the eight attackers, they are trying to piece together the logistical network that support study attackers. so he could be a key member of that logistical support team, fred. >> yeah, you are absolutely right. one of the other people involved if logistics is still at large. salah abdeslam who apparently rented one of the vehicles it was a implicated. what do we know about the manhunt for him. they also identified or found a third body inside that apartment in sontene where a ring leader was killed. what do you know about that could be as the police and security forces are trying to piece together who was involved and how. >> exactly. we know recently abdelhamid abaaoud has been the ring leader. in addition to abdelhamid abaaoud, his cousin killed in the attack, there was a third man who was killed in the raid. now we don't know exactly who that man is. the scene was carnage that it's quite difficult to identify who was there. but this is what police are focused on. they are also focused on the manhunt for salah abdeslam. there are a lot of questions about what salah abdeslam's role was, exactly. for example, he rented the car. one of the cars. he also rented the safehouse they were staying at before the attacks. and the car that he rented was found -- that area was hit by the attack, in isis claim of responsible, they said there was an attack on the 18th. so a lot of questions whether or not he was supposed to carry on an attack out there but something went wrong. >> a atika sluber 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chemicals in the hands of terrorists? i don't want to necessarily say chemical weapons. i want to say weaponized chemicals, what do we know? >> this is nothing new for them. they tried this in the past. not too many years ago the subway attacks were made by sarin, low concentration, poorly disseminated, potentially catastrophic. we know from everything going back from our intelligence gathering from al qaeda raids to our investigations with isis today, that they are actively seeking to develop chemical weapons. why? because they are able kill large numbers of people very, very quickly, horrically if they get the chemical compounds correct and if they can disseminate them over a wide area, by the way, that itself most difficult part. it's not the tremendous danger that you might think. they still have to get it delivered and that's a difficult aspect for them. >> well, exactly. talk to us more about that. how difficult is that to first of all get a chemical compound together then also put it in some sort of explosive device and have that device go off and still be able disseminate those chemicals? how difficult would that be to do and is it feasible isis could get the capably to do that if they were able recruit scientists, for instance? >> well, it's completely feasible. we know chemical weapons have been manufactured by terror groups in the past. you can see al qaeda tips on cnn did a news story several years being, chemical weapons poisoning an unfortunate dog. the fact of the matter is they have worked on making them. now, the other aspect of your question is delivery. it doesn't necessarily have to be an explosive shell or disseminated by an explosion. it can be a container punctured, sprayed into a building, hvac duct. so there are many ways this can be spread and their target, if you will, their goal will be to get a high concentration chemical weapon with highly validity and disseminate it to as many people in the short amount of time possible. >> reporter: i also want to get your opinion on the threat of infiltration into the u.s., because our own evan perez is reporting that at least one of the paris attackers could possibly have come to the u.s. on a visa waiver program because there weren't any sort of nothing known about his background. there wasn't anything that would indicate that he would be a terrorist. how many people like that duveng could already be in the u.s. and how big is the threat of more coming? >> the threat is enormous. the threat is possibly dozens at the least, hundreds or more at the worst. the ability to come into this country is shamefully easy. we are being told by our president and the attorney general this woman of great character, who i know personally, that they're checking databases to vet these people. i can tell you as a professional investigator, there is no vetting process. it is impossible. there is no country to make inquiries of. for example, if an american citizen travels to any country abroad the host government can call their contact person, reach out to our government to the fbi, to whoever their law enforcement liason is and do a comprehensive background. who are we going to call in syria? by the way, if it's our database, the only way you can mind the data, if that person had a low profile their whole life and never did anything to get on anyone's radar, they had no database record they are completely anonymous, yet, they are 1 much% hard core trained isis killers. there is snow way to vet them period. yet, it doesn't seem to stop our government. >>. >> david katz, thank you for your insights live if new york. there are a lot of new developments that we're following this morning. brusz els is on its highest state of alert. the city is basically on the lockdown. we'll have the latest why the belgium prime minister says this is necessary to keep people safe. more to come on cnn. and it's also been a rough week if american politics as the sparring continues over the refugee crisis. who is walking back and what they said and who is doubling down as presidential candidates look to get tough on terrorism. . . . several gop candidates are in iowa trying to win over christian conservatives. and expected to discuss whether to accept seyrian refugees all f this as a new poll is released on where americans stand regarding this very issue. >> reporter: good morning. acceseven of the gop candidates appeared at the family leaders forum, a big cattle call. much of the discussion of course was on values, was on religion about value of faith. but of course much of the discussion was also steered towards the aftermath of the paris attacks, what to do with isis, how the u.s. should respond. and of course what the u.s. should to about syrian refugees. here's what a few candidates had to say. >> it is neither offensive nor unamerican to defend the nation and not invite in people who the administration cannot guarantee are not terrorists here to murder innocent americans. >> i'd like for barack obama to resign if he's not going to protect america and instead protecting the image of islam. >> reporter: and as they jostle about how to approach this, there is new insight on how the american voter is thinking, a new poll out by the "washington post" and abc news which showed that a majority of americans, 54%, believes that the u.s. should not take in syrian refugees at all. and perhaps even more strike, only 13% are very confident that the u.s. is able to identify possible terrorists who could be mixed in with the refugees wanting to come over. >> thank you so much. let's talk now with our cnn politics reporter. i want you to listen to what donald trump said, he's backtracking some news there overnight, but first let's listen to what he said about muslim registry in this country. >> there should be a lot of systems beyond database, we should have a lot of systems and today you can do it. but right now, we have to have a border, we have to have strength, we have to have a wall and we cannot let what is happening to this country happen. i would certainly inch he pmple that. we have to stop people there coming in to our country illegally. >> his campaign says that he was listening to this question over blaring music in the room, trump said he never suggested a database of muslims. he's being ridiculed by republicans and democrats. how are voters to responding? >> you heard about the "washington post"/abc poll that shows the syrian refugee issue, the united states is pretty stonkly opposed to letting these refugees in. but you are seeing a lot of republican opponents of donald trump beginning to push back saying he's going too far. items not just jeb bush and ted cruz that are making breaks him. it's russell moore, the southern baptist leader saying these remarks actually go a little too far. so you are seeing some worry, some concern from republicans that this could damage the party, that trump is going a little too far even though the 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far as the arrests are concerned, but also of course as far as new measures are concerned to try to prevent attacks like that in the future. word those arrests that happened in belgium, but then also those new emergency measures that are in place in belgium as the capital brussels is on the highest terror alert. drew griffin is following this morning's breaking news. what are we learning about the new terror arrest and about brussels being on high alert? >> reporter: we know very little about the arrest other than some weapons were confiscated in molenbeek early in the morning or last knignight. police making sure to say that they didn't find any explosives, nor did they find an explosive vest. one person in custody and the raids have been going on here almost nightly since the paris attack. but overnight in the middle of the night, fred, the alert came out that all of the belgium region was going to a threat level 4, that is the highest level they have here and it was because what have we were told was an imminent and serious threat. so this is what the people of brussels woke up to this morning. belgium state of alert. and telling them not to congregation, not to shop, not to go to concerts, that soccer games would be canceled and the subway would actually be closed. very serious, a heavy presence of military officers are on the streets here. and i don't see any sense of panic, but certainly there are much fewer people on the street than would be on this pre-holiday saturday. so that is the situation here in brussels as people are trying to go on with their day, at the same time their government is telling they are we're at the highest level of threat for television that we've ever been. >> you've been doing some very valuable reporting for us over the past couple of days and we've been seeing raids in various places in belgium. of course many of them in molenbeek, in that district that is known to have a lot of extremists, but in other places, as well. and yet we still have a raising of terror alert level. is that a sign that they still don't really have a handle on the extremist scene there in belgium? >> reporter: i think that's very true. these raids have targeted every single possible known location that is connected with any of the paris terrorists who are connected with the bombing that happen this hed in paris and co to belgium, but also they're connected with salah abdeslam, the terrorist who remains on the loose. and for belgium authorities, seems to be the biggest threat right now. although they have not given us any specific information on what this particular threat is about, the prime minister in his speech this morning did say, look, we believe that this possible threat is very similar to the one carried out in paris, specifically mentioned firearms and explosives and multiple locations. i will tell you that the belgian authorities seem to be playing catchup in a lot of these cases, they're going to places and homes that they knew these people were involved in some sort of terrorist activity, but they didn't act until after the paris attack kind of exposed that relationship. >> you're right, they have been playing catchup with an extremist scene that has been expanding over the past couple of years. and also the fact that belgium for quite a long time has been the hub for weapons trafficking in europe. what do you know about that, how can it be, why is it that belgium is such a hub of these two things? >> reporter: well, bell fwgium ben a hub of illegal arms trading for quite a while. and in our reporting this week, we've heard from several experts who basically say the shopping here for these kind of things is pretty darn good on the plaqbla market. one thing think who does do cutting with tcu consults with the dwoecgovernmee told us you can get a kalashnikov for as little as $1,000 u.s. on the black market here in belgium. add to that a pretty robust trade and fake passports and other things. belgian government has now addressed the fact that it is being criticized severely for not do enough in terms of security and intelligence and trying to interject and break up these terror cells before they actually can strike. the prime minister said this week that they were going to increase spending, increase efforts, increase programs to not only try to increase security, but to stop belgians going to seyria and fighting fo isis in the first place and to arrest and imprison any belgian who comes back, they are no longer welcome. >> certainly a lot on their plate and very little time. drew, thank you so much for your reporting there from brussels. we want to give you new details on the three people arrested in turkey. turkish authorities suspect these men have ties to isis and are connected with last week's terrorist attacks right here in paris. want to go straight to atika shubert. tell us more about these men and how all of this could help in the hunt for that suspect of the attacks here who is still at large, salah abdeslam. >> reporter: that's right, the focus is on a 26-year-old, ahmet dahmani, he's a belgian moroccan, also recently just arrived it seems. he was in a hotel in antalya. now, he was being met by two other syrian nationals who turkish authorities believe were going to help transport him across the border into syria. the key is whether or not the dough plan any oig, whether he could have been the scout for the locations here in paris. so what is really important here is trying to figure out the logistical support network behind the attacks here. if indeed that is the case, they might be able to track down or work backwards really to see if they can find the eighth suspect still on the run, salah abdeslam. he is still unknown where he is. the last time he was spotted was crossing the border from france into belgium and clearly with that high terror alert right now, it is a priority to find him as soon as possible. >> and i want you and our viewers to take a look at this video that shows the moment of suicide bomber there in saint-denis blew position himse. now, this was of course -- there you have the explosions. that is of course during that raid where abdelhamid abaaoud was killed and also his cousin. what do we know about the third person who was in that apartment? >> reporter: we don't have an identity for him yet. police have not been able to identify him. all we know is that there was another male suspect who was killed. and it really speaks to the horrific nature of the scene there, that the bomb really just completely tore the place apart. and they have only been able to identify the bodies through the body parts they found, fingerprints, palm prints and the sole prints of their feet. but they didn't know who that third suspect is. there is some speculation here on local speed i can't that it could be abdeslam, the eighth attacker who is still on the run, but that seems highly unlikely at this point. the search is focused on belgium and the area around belgium. i should also point out that during the police raid, eight people were also arrested. police have now updated that saying that seven of those people have been released. but you one of them, the man who was actually renting the apartment to them, he remains in police custody for interrogation. so they're still trying to figure out the logistical support network how they were able to carry this out. >> atika shubert keeping an eye on the situation for us right here in paris. thank you very much. and when we come back, we're following the fast moving developments in the paris attacks investigation, including the new arrests happening both in belgium and in turkey. plus belgium on high alert for a terror attack this morning. we'll talk about the security measures that are now in lays. it's the little things in life that make me smile. spending the day with my niece. i don't use super poligrip for hold, because my dentures fit well. before those little 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terror attacks. i want to talk more about all that and what all that means with our military analyst. sir, we're seeing a lot of these raids right now. what does that mean about the amount of actionable intel defense that the authorities have and that they're getting from people who are being arrested? >> the network i would suspect is coming together. i've been involved in many of these operations where the intel folks are finding snippets of information and on a big wall somewhere they have different diagrams being connected. you're always looking for four things. who, what, where and when something is going to happen. so when the intel guys start getting a picture and i'm sure some of that has actually come together because of the various raids that have been conducted in paris or in france and in belgium at large, i'm sure some of that pointed to the three men they have taken into custody in turkey as one of either the financiers or leaders or facilitators of the group. so as you take more cells down, as you raid more cells and get more information, you start clarifying this puzzle in those four answers. now, what is going on in brussels right now is they may have gotten one of the four answers of the who, what, where or when. so they may say it's this group this brussels or an attack will occur on the underground or occur on the 21st of november. so dependent on how much information they now have, they are zeroing in on pry veeventin attacks and perhaps getting other perpetratoperpetrators. >> one of the things that was criticized before the paris attacks and he is he specially after they happened was the cooperation between intelligence services inside of europe.he sp after they happened was the cooperation between intelligence services inside of europe. now actionable intelligence coming from the belgiums, the france acting on it for instance in saint-denis. are we seeing these intelligence services better cooperate in the wake of these attacks? >> truthfully, fred, i've watched this over the last two week and having spent a great deal of my career in europe, i know how the various intelligence agencies of the countries work. there are some really good ones, there are some that are not the so good. but when they get pieces of information and they can literally make the synapse between one country and others saying we just found this out, will yyou check it, it drives te intelligence and the operation. if you just have this cloud of facts out there and it's not being passed, you may have the gem, the real gem that you need to conduct an operation, but if it's not passed to the right people and it doesn't make the right connection, it's like having an electric cord that is not plugged in. you just don't get the kind of information that you causes to you take action. but i think what you're seeing now is the intelligence, various intelligence collection agencies are on high alert because they have seen what happened. now they are sharing. now they are driving the intelligence, they are fighting for more intelligence and because of the raids, i think the raids are probably the most important thing. you're seeing more and more intel specific to attacks coming in and being shared. >> lieutenant general, thank you so much for joining us. when we come back, we're following president's movements in asia where he has been weighing in on the hotel attack that of course happened this mali and praising those who stopped an enbigger tragedy. we are beginning a journey, and at this moment, we are bound by nothing. technology empowers us to achieve more. it pushes us to go further. to keep track of almost five million athletes, in 170 countries, you need a lot of data. up 'til now we've been tracking a lot of data manually. the microsoft cloud allows us to immediately be able to access information, wherever we are. information for an athlete's medical care, or information to track their personal best. special olympics is 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heinous attacks we saw in paris, attacks we see all too often elsewhere, there is another awful reminder that the scourge of terrorism threatens so many of our nations. >> michelle kosinsk live for us. what do we know about how many there might have been at the hotel in mali? >> reporter: i wish we knew more. we've asked the white house what exactly was the president referring to, how many people are we talking about here. but they wouldn't give us any more details, just that they're working to find americans who are unaccounted for. that doesn't mean that they were definitely in that hotel, it means that they might have been. and we know that the u.s. is working with investigators sharing information, not the only to find anyone still unaccounted for, but to try to get to the bottom of this and find attackers still on the run. >> do you know what the conversations are there between the president and leaders that are there regarding not just the terror threats, but how they can work together and the refugee crisis, as well? >> reporter: and that is a good part of this. you look at the debate that is going on in america right now, the president has found this issue absolutely unavoidable. and over the past kim of days, we've really used him -- heard him use this ramped up language addressing the receipt door rim in the u.s. he called it offensive, irresponsible, not who we are. but today it was a little different because he visited a center run by an offerinrganiza that helps refugees. here's a little bit of what he said. >> as long as i'm president, we're going to keep on stepping up, making sure that america remains as it has always been, a place where people who in other parts of the world are subject to discrimination or violence, that they have in america a friend and place of refuge. >> reporter: so he's still kriz criticizing the rhetoric that we're hearing, but today doing it in a way that more that touches on heart strings instead of lashes out. he said look at the faces of some of these children, they're indistinguishable from americans. basically these kids could be yours or mine. he said that to hear people say that they could be afraid of them or that they could be dangerous in any way is just not what america is about. >> all right. so appreciate it. thank you. there is a lot going on with this ongoing hunt for suspects and for answers. we'll take you back to paris as we track this investigation into the terror attacks, including the latest links to both belgium and turkey. and in mali, a state of emergency today and manhunt of course for at least three suspects. what we're learning about the american victim who was killed. ok, we're here. here's dad. mom. the twins. aunt alice... you didn't tell me aunt alice was coming. of course. don't forget grandpa. can the test drive be over now? maybe just head back to the dealership? don't you want to meet my family? yep, totally. it's practically yours, but we still need your signature. 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were trying to help him get out of europe and into seyria. want to turn to the terror attack in mali in bamako. terrorists killed at least 19 when they stormed the hotel and one of those killed was a knnit datar, an american mother who was a public health worker. her brother says the family is devastated. robyn kriel is following all the events. what is the latest on the attack and the wave of terror attacks that has been going on in the last two weeks somewh sn what i behind all that? >> reporter: well, fred, the latest on the attack is that malian officials are still hunting down people they say were involved in the deadly attack on the radisson hotel. they are looking for three people, not sure if they were directly involved, if they were inside the hotel at the same time as the two gunmen that were shot or if they were somehow involved in aiding those gunmen, but that's what they say is the latest on the ground. what i can tell you about the latest bombings we've seen across west africa, we saw two bombings boko haram claimed responsibility for earlier this week killing more than 40 people, one involving an 11-year-old girl, two young girls who blew themselves up in a crowded market killing dozens. in terms of why this that happened, there are typically attacks every now and again in that area speeskcifically niger where boko haram has pledged to isis and showing that it is more operationally ready and tactical. what we can tell you, though, is that yesterday's siege lasted all day. here is a wrap of what went down. >> reporter: bamako under attack. these were the scenes in the malian capital friday morning as gun men stormed the radisson blu hotel firing shots an taking hostages. a u.n. spokesman says at least one of the cars had diplomatic license plates. the siege that left scores dead inside this hotel which prides itself on its tight security. >> translator: the authorities need to take strong measures. if something like this can happen, then i'm worried. >> reporter: for west africa, this is the third fatal terror attack in a week. two days ago, it was isis affiliated group boko haram blamed for orchestrating one bombing in nigeria and suspected in another leaving more than 40 dead. yola was struck first. 24 hour later at a market in northern nigeria, authorities say two young girls, one only 11 years old, detonated suicide vests kilt killing more than a dozen people. boko haram pledged allegiance on isis earlier this yeek. at the time the nigerian based terror group consisted of roughly 6,000 fighters and controlled up to 20,000 kilometers of northeastern nigeria. but it's traditionally an al qaeda stronghold with aqim being the most predominant terror group. in august of this year, a splinter group of aqim called al mourabitoun claimed responsibility to the attack in a mali. gunmen entered the hotel killing 17 people, including u.n. personnel, westerners and malian soldiers. a counter assault was launched as malian troops stormed the hotel. and in march, the same fashion attacked a restaurant that killed five including a french citizen and belgian security officer. mali islamic militants were scattered and much of their power eroded by a french military offensive that began in january 2013. but pockets of insurgents remain able to launch owe so sophistic asymmetric assaults. mali has declared a state of emergency for the next ten days and president hollande has promised mali's president that he will help in any way possible to help stamp out extremism. >> robyn kriel for us in nairobi. thank you very much. we want to get more analysis now talking to cnn military analyst lieutenant colonel rick franc a francona. it's been a week of terrorism. an isis attack and possibly an attack linked to laed there in mali just within days of each other. which of these groups do you think poses the biggest threat to americans both at home and abroad? >> well, they both pose threats, but i think everybody is now more concerned about isis because isis has demonstrated capabilities that have exceeded what we've seen out of al qaeda. and i'm specifically referring to the ability to take down a civilian airliner. in the terrorism world that's kind of gold standard and isis has demonstrated capability do that. but we can't write-off these other groups. and i think what we're seeing is people like piling on, they see isis has been very successful, they have had four successful in their eyes attacks. ankara, beirut, airliner and now air ris. so other groups are saying this tactic works, isis is being very effective, we need do this, as well. so i think we're seeing more groups who have been planning these things actually starting to execute them now because they see that it does have an impact. >> i want to talk more about isis. because one of the thing that i think concerns people a lot is their apparent level of sophistication. they managed to apparently take down the airliner, conduct a pretty sophisticated operation here in paris, as far as their logistics are concerned, and yet we know very little about the people behind what happened to that airliner, to the russian airliner, very little about the wider network here in paris, as well. is that a cause of concern that we know so little about the logistics behind it, about how they're getting to do this? >> and this is the the nature of isis. isis has actually very cleverly set this up by setting up these provinces. what they do is bring in local people. if you look at what happened in egypt, we'll talk about the airliner, those were egyptians who did that. so we're not seeing people coming from syria or iraq to k p conduct these situations. these are local, they know the local area. they fit in very easily. many have travel documents that allow them to move quite freely. so the logistics are almost ready-made. and isis is capitalizing on that. remember who makes up the senior leadership of isis, these are form er iraqi military officers 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>> first of all, this is a new ball game. we've had writerrorist attacks the past of a different nature. this time it was not pinpointing skrourp journalists or jew, but even, especially young. so the mood is not only sadness and some fright, but also anger and defiance. defiance because i saw to my big surprise the young generation that have not been used to beirut and other conflicts suddenly decide they would show up, have a glass of wine just to show they were not being frightened and that isis or whoever did it was not going gi change their habits and values. >> to what extent are people seeing this as the new reality of france, as maybe an age of terrorism in france and how concerned are people about about that? >> well, people have just been frightened by the fact that it was against anybody. it was like indiscriminate killing. but the reality is that we have a new kind of terrorism. these are not the days of al qaeda. this is most of the people who plant bombs or shot at people, held european passports. some were french. so you have a combination of imported values. and in-bred terrorism. >> interesting that you you say that the terrorism is imported, but at the same time, it also does have its roots very much here. >> well, i would say the people that have joined international jihadism in the past, they would have gone and do drugs, deals, things like that. but now because of influence of saudi arabia minority islam that is not representative of the majority islam, this minority islam is an influence from kabul to nigeria has been able to do an incredible work of recruiting people both in belgium and france and elsewhere. >> how do you deal with that, how is france going to deal with that? 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>> well, i tell you, i find that extremely troubling considering that that family had been waiting anywhere between 18 and 24 months to receive that relocation. what is true is that all over the world, certainly here in the united states and my thundershowerity is no different, people are concerned about their safety. they're turning on the news, they're watching you all, seeing that all across the globe, there are troubling times. and i think what bothers me the most as an elected official, as a leader in my own community, is that governors all over the country who know better, they are aware of the vetting process and the intensity of it that is required before refugees could even be considered for resettlement here in the united states. and yet in this very important leadership moment, too many of them are choosing to demagog, to divide and fight in the public about what is different in this moment. and in my opinion, what is required, sobriety, what is required are leaders who are willing to reassure they know a process and also to remind the public of what our values are as a thags. that's what we're fighting for. so i think we have to-to-validate concerns, but i also think we have to show great leadership. >> how you can we overcome the concerns? a former d.a. agent was on our show earlier this morning an end it is amazingly easy to get in to this country and who are you going to vet. there is is nobody in syria to l to get a background check on these people. >> well, i participated earlier this week in a briefing with the white house where they were sharing with mayors the intensity of the process that is undertaken. first beginning with with united nations doing in-depth screening before determining where refugees can be relocated. and then when it comes to the united states, we have an additional layer of screening that you includes biometrics, that you includes to the extent that any contradiction exists in the story could be grounds for refused entry into united states. it's an extremely intense process that takes anywhere between 18 and 24 months. and so for those of us who know that i think we have to get that out there. i think the public is concerned because they're unfamiliar with with the intensity of that process. >> i just wanted to ask you, we only have a couple seconds left, but mayor, i wanted to ask you since you're on one side of this, florida governor on the other side of this, how do you see this coming together and how far will you you go to try to give some of these people a place to stay? >> well, what is true is that i don't get to decide which refugees enter the united states. governor scott doesn't get to decide which refugees enter the united states. that's a power that is left to the president and his administration. so after that process has been gone through, that vetting process, and they are determined to be safe and no threat to the united states and can enter, my position is that if a family chooses to relocate in our city, we'll do what we can to make sure that they are resettled and that they're integrated into our community. i think that is part of the experiment, the american can peerment, which is that we do a great job in integrating people near and far in to the american culture and helping them to subscribe to our greater value set. >> mayor, i so appreciate you being with us today. thank you. a reminder to you at home, later this morning we're speaking with a syrian refugee family about this very issue. so check out that interview ahead during the 10:00 a.m. edition of cnn newsroom. and here is an angle of the story that you have likely not heard. we're learning about a powerful drug that isis is reportedly giving its fighters. >> it's an amphetamine militants say makes them feel invincible. what exactly does it do? 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