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on this sunday night, the final 48 hours in the race for president. a frantic final push on the campaign trail, obama and romney making a mad dash through the swing states. meantime, tempers flare. tonight a final poll on where this race stands and how sandy could impact the election. plus the new big storm closing in threatening to disrupt a massive recovery operation. and making a difference, the marathon may be off, but the race is on to help some of the hardest hit victims of the storm. from our election home, "nightly news" begins now. good evening. in just over 48 from now, the first polling places here on the east coast will close in the presidential election. the final "countdown" is on and the gut check moment has arrived for president obama and governor romney as they make the crucial decisions as to where and how to marshall their resources into places they can still make a difference. and tonight, we're about to release the results of our time poll in this race, a last-minute snapshot that could give both camps a reason for hope and anxiety. and how the hurricane sandy disaster has affected this race. let's start with our political director and chief white house correspondent chuck todd who's just below me here on democracy plaza. >> let's get right to the numbers, the president with a very narrow lead, 48% to 47%. this is almost last close presidential election we had which is when president bush also had a 48% to 47% lead. among early voters, president obama with a seven-point advantage here. four in ten voters may vote early this year. and in the battle ground states, the president's got a four-point lead and that's within the margin of error. in the northea let me show you where there may be a sandy effect, and that is the idea of which candidate has better leadership qualities. a week earlier, governor romney led the polls, but now you see president obama leads. in the middle class, the president leads by n'k11, value versus the economy. and watching the exhausting travel schedule has been like watching a pair of prize fighters in the 12th round. let's get right out on to the campaign trail, along with kristen welker with the president in cincinnati. >> reporter: good evening to you lester. president obama campaigns here in must-win ohio tonight with music legend stevy wonder kicking thing off. with this race too close to call, president obama is enlisting his biggest su egest s and supporters to help him close this deal. president obama in the final sprint of this deadlocked race, stopping first in concord, new hampshire today. >> let's go get them, new hampshire. >> and then to hollywood, florida. >> are you fired up? >> reporter: mr. obama will travel several thousand miles, stopping in ohio, colorado, wisconsin. today the president enlisted one of the most high profile democrats to fire up voters. former president bill clinton. president obama even borrowing president clinton's campaign song. president clinton slammed romney. >> he's tying himself into knots saying he didn't oppose what he didn't oppose. >> reporter: and obama -- >> we know what change looks like and he ain't it. >> reporter: and president obama confused the former presidents. that ad th that. >> that ad that you have seen that president clinton bankrupted the auto industry so that china could buy it. >> we're in commanding position, but our big challenge new is to make sure that we execute and get our vote out. >> reporter: michelle obama will join the president in iowa for his final event tomorrow night. kristen welker, nbc news, traveling with the president in cincinnati, ohio. meantime tonight mitt romney is barrelling through a few states of his own. >> reporter: anticipating a dramatic finale -- >> two more days. two more days and we can get to work rebuilding our country. >> reporter: mitt romney this weekend is racing through eight events in seven states. >> we have got to change course because unless we do, we may be looking at another recession. let's make sure we get everyone out to vote on tuesday. >> reporter: governor romney's carefully crafted final pitch that he would be a bipartisan leader. and he has this new line -- >> don't boo, vote. voting is the best revenge. >> they asked their supporters to vote for revenge. for revenge. instead i ask the american people to vote for love of country. >> reporter: and while upbeat, mr. romney made this acknowledgement. >> if the president were to be re-elected. >> boo! >> it's possible. but not likely. >> reporter: this afternoon, new jersey governor chris christie who praised president obama's leadership in the aftermath of hurricane sandy, said he's still voting for mitt romney. >> i am voting for mitt romney, but that doesn't mean that i can't turn to president obama and say thank you. >> reporter: romney advisors are projecting confidence and claiming a more enthusiastic base. >> there's a gap on the side of republicans. >> reporter: late saturday mrs. romney rallied supporters in cleveland. >> i'm feeling it r you feeling it? >> reporter: i'm peter alexander traveling with governor romney in pennsylvania. >> i want to first talk to you about those numbers, about the leadership question, saying that president obama may have gotten a sandy bounce. is there anything that romney can do in that case or does he have to be on the sidelines? >> he is on the sidelineses, there's no question about it. in talking to the president today, they maintain that their zeta is unchanged. he would win bagsd on -- the reality is chris christie is now having to go out of his way to say he's still voting for mitt romney. he did provide him a boost. mitt romney needs to lead, let's face it the country is starved for it at the moment which is why i think it resonates. >> they both really have reason to be confident now, don't they? >> they have reason to be confident because you saw our poll, it's deadlocked, neck and neck. now it's whether they get their supporters to the polls, this very sophisticated report that the president has had years to vote on. building for mitt romney, perhaps stalled a bit when attention was taken off of him during sandy and during the recovery, whether that passion can be reignited and in his closing message, reaching out to moderates, reaching out to bipartisanship whether that ignites people and gets them to the polls. >> and your thoughts quickly on president clinton's appearance on the campaign trail. >> having covered bill and hillary clinton, this is the anniversary of bill clinton's '92 race. you can see him absolutely energized and igniting these crowds, he's the closer for barack obama. >> they have got to get young people and might norities out t vote. in florida, anger and frustration today in miami where voters lined up to cast absentee ballots after being cut off from the early voting deadline yesterday. what happened there and other potential election problems. >> reporter: frustrated voters juice the miami-dade election office this afternoon. they had come after the county announced it would open its doors to provide an accept absentee ballots today. but so many voters showed up that election officials were overwhelmed. they shut their doors and then decided to reopen. the democratic party ensued to extend early voters after some voters were stuck on line for hours. >> i have waited five hours now. >> reporter: election officials are bracing for lots of potential voting problems on tuesday, especiallily in the key battleground states n ohio, experts say because of confusion over new absentee ballot rules, more than 200,000 voters may be forced to cast provisional ballots that won't be counted until ten days after election day. >> there's a realistic chance that we will not know which candidate won the election in ohio. >> reporter: citizen groups like tea to vote, a tea party offshoot who says it's trained more than a million poll watchers to look out for voter fraud. liberal activist groups are saying they're employing their own poll watchers. >> we will be watching the poll watchers to make sure they are not acting as bullies. >> reporter: meanwhile hurricane sandy's devastation has swamped election plans in the northeast. officials are faced with flooded buildings and power outages are besieged. >> actually the timing of the storm was horrible for us respecting people's ability to get to the polls. >> reporter: this weekend the state announced it will let voters displaced by sandy e-mail or fax their ballots in. and military trucks may be deployed as backup polling stations. all these issues could lead to an election storm that leads to confusion and even chaos at the polls on tuesday. we want to let you know that brian williams and our entire political team will be with you every step of the way on election night. our coverage begins at 7:00, 6 central on tuesday night. amid the long lines for gas and the long wait for power, a 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we're safe, but it killed us, we lost all our pictures and memories. >> what we're worried about right now is that it's so cold they can't stay? their homes. >> the reality of not know what's next has set in. >> look at that, i don't know how that's going to be repaired. >> reporter: today homeland security secretary janet napolitano toured neighborhoods. >> our goal is to get people out of the shelters now as quickly as possible into something more stable, more satisfying. >> reporter: meanwhile the crisis at the pump continues, with drivers lining up at the pump to fill up and rationing in place in new jersey until supply can catch up with demand. >> part of the gas thing is that people are worried it's going to run out, it's not going to run out. >> in new york city, ferry sciee back online for tomorrow's commute. but for thousands still without power a crisis is emerging. >> one of the great fears we have with cold weather coming we have to make sure that people can stay warm and among the hardest hit, the rockaways in staten island. >> governmetonight the first ma donation from pepsico and walmart. >> reporter: in staten island, victims waited five days before help arrived. >> please start going door to door and ask some of the owners if they need anything. >> reporter: in queens more than 100 homes burned to the ground in a raging file fueled by sandy, a church service offered comforting words and a new determination. >> we don't have any crystal balls that will tell us how breezy point will be rebuilt. do not abandon your hope because only hope sustains us. >> reporter: volunteers and military teams continue to travel across the country to help in the recovery effort. the latest, 400 marines helping out in staten island. >> there is another big storm headed toward the region. we're joined tonight by w channel meteorologist kelly cass. >> this is the last thing we need in the northeast, and remember all those protective dunes have been washed away by sandy so obviously we have some store fronts and residential areas that could be hit with another storm. we'll be dealing with a lot of rain and very windy conditions. it's going to start off on the southeast coast, affecting basically election day. that nor'easter co-moves up the coast, very strong winds traveling up the northeast and those winds will be sustained between 25 and 30 miles an hour, but gusting as high as 50 miles an hour. we could be looking at two to three inches of rainfall. coastal flooding is a huge concern. right now it looks like ohio will be clear, back to you, lester. >> kelly, thank you and we're back in a moment with some of the other day's news. we're back now with some of the day's other news. in pittsburgh, a boy was killed when he fell about 14 feet into an enclosure at a zoo and was mauled by a pack of wild dogs. zoo officials entered the enclosure and used tranquilizer darts, but it was too late to save the boy. there was a big blast right in the heart of 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view here in democracy pla plaza, finally when they cancelled the new york marathon, many found themselves with nothing to do after the storm. many felt they could make a difference in the lives of those hardest hit. >> reporter: after the staten island ferry, it felt like the marathon. >> 600 garbage bags, if everybody can take a garbage bag. >> 1,000 runners suddenly with time on their hands were ready to deliver supplies. this is the boat that could have taken them over to the starting line this morning. instead they're going to statten island to help, they're man thonners, they have a lot of energy. the father-daughter team from the west coast, they were relieved when the race was cancelled. i didn't think could have felt good about it knowing that all these people were cold and carrying all they own on their backs. >> so they were running. baby wipes, batteries. >> flashlights whatever people need. >> there was anger in this community last week when michael bloomberg said the race would go on, especially with food, water and generators were piled up for the race, not the residents. now the runners delivered those same supplies and lended a has been where it was needed. >> i'm glad the run was cancelled and they're just able to lend a helping hand. >> in some ways canceling it did the same thing. that's nbc "nightly news" for this sunday. up next, football night in america, followed by sunday night football, the cowboys take on the falcons. i'm lester holt reporting from democracy plaza here in new york. for all of us here at nbc news, good night.

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he was shotting an intruder. and it is cinco de mayo. the fifth of may celebrating the mexican the mexican army over the french forces in the battle of puebla back in 1862. it's an excuse to drink for louis. you have to drink the whole thing and eat the worm. that is it for way too early. "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ and i'm feeling sorry, believe it or not, for the speaker of the house as well. these days the house republicans actually give john boehner a harder time than they give me. which means orange really is the new black. >> that was one of the really good ones. good morning, everyone. >> speaking of orange, look at that sunrise over new york city. >> monday morning. may 5th. welcome to "morning joe," everybody. >> that's an orange crush right there. >> yes, it is. on the set we have john heilemann. >> good to have you here. >> hello, heilemann. anything going on with you? >> not much. celebrating the nets victory yesterday, baby. game seven. unbelievable. >> we'll talk. visiting professor at nyu, former democratic congressman harold ford jr. >> professor. >> and in washington, senior political editor and white house correspondent for "the huffington post" sam stein. we also have editor for "the washington post" david ignatius. with all going on in ukraine, glad you're in early this morning. >> an eventful weekend. willie, happy belated birthday for you. >> thank you. it was a great saturday. it was a derby/birthday combo. >> how much bourbon did you drink? >> you mean bottles? >> you should have seen the hat he was wearing. >> it was a fascinator. >> you guys in washington, you were at the correspondents -- president was good. >> president was great. >> thought he was funny. >> his performance skills are very high when it comes to these events, i think. has that dry sense of humor. he's got the great second beat on those jokes. >> we'll stay on it. more of the jokes at the white house correspondents dinner. >> we cannot believe what these olympic athletes do. death defying feats. haven't seen someone pull a 180 that fast since rand paul disinvited that nevada rancher from this dinner. as a general rule, things don't end well if the sentence starts "let me tell you something i know about the negro." just a tip for you. don't start your sentence that way. now that it's 2014, washington is obsessed on the midterms. folks are saying that with my sagging poll in numbers, my fellow democrats don't want me campaigning with them. i don't think that's true although i did notice the other day that sasha needed a speaker at career day and she invited bill clinton. washington seems more dysfunctional than ever. gridlock has gotten so bad in this town, you have to wonder, what'd we do to piss off chris christie so bad? >> that was a good line. >> okay. so that was joel mchale. we'll get to that in a second. he's star of "the community." did he talk about chris christie? >> he sure did. let's roll it. >> i know it's been a long night, but i promise that tonight will be both amusing and over quickly just like chris christie's presidential bid. i got a lot of these tonight, so buckle up, governor christie. excuse me. extender buckle up. all right. governor, do you want bridge jokes or size jokes? i got a bunch of both. i can go half and half. i know you like a combo platter. now, i get that. i'm sorry for that joke, governor christie. i didn't know i was going to tell it. but i take full responsibility for it. whoever wrote it will be fired. but the buck stops here. so i will be a man and own up to it just as soon as i get to the bottom of how it happened, because i was unaware it happened until just now. i'm appointing a commission of me to investigate the joke i just told. and if i find any wrong doing on my part, i assure you i will be dealt with. i just looked into it. it turns out i'm not responsible for it. justice has been served. >> okay. joel mchale was adorable, i think, first of all. >> good guy. and by the way, chris christie not only laughing at the jokes at the party, but was laughing after the party. he and mchale were together. people on tv thought it was a cheap shot. chris christie and mary pat were laughing and posed for pictures with him. >> and we kind of had a run in with him. >> you know what? there's a -- we were comparing book notes. willie, as you know, i'm selling a lot of books in new hampshire. and i was selling more. he was commenting on how many books i'm selling in new hampshire. i said i'm selling more books in new hampshire than you will ever sell. >> this went on for a good eight minutes. >> it's publishing trash talk. >> it is. both of us are men of letters and both of us are taken by how much the good people of new hampshire love to read. >> they love to read. >> are you monitoring the independent book sales at store by store basis. >> duh. of course we are. of course we are. dropped by one in concord this weekend. >> we were waiting to take pictures and this happened. willie, this went on for, like, eight minutes. seriously. >> the book talk? >> the book trash talk. >> wow. >> i changed to samsung. i had new numbers. >> mika runs up to chris christie and tried to explain it. like you can't talk in shorthand like that. so we went up and mika went up and said i'm texting you, why aren't you returning your calls. he said i'm not getting them. she explained it was the phone. i said mika always thought it was the phone. i said you were a really big skinned jerk and that was probably why. and he laughed. >> so he's good? >> mika had the wrong number. i'm telling you, the drugs, you can't see. even a big screen like this. it's hard to see the big screen. you know? >> just stop. >> she was sending texts to chris cross instead of chris christie. >> can i get their number by the way? >> sure. >> more of those photos can be seen at vanity fair portraits. >> there's our son. >> who's that? >> that's ronan. >> our handsy son. he's a naughty child. and there was a -- eric holder has decided that you're going to run for office and he's going to take your job. so we did -- >> oh, yeah. he said why don't we do a freaky friday switch. here he is. he wants it to be morning eric and he and mika were trying out for that cable news. you know, he's the former attorney general, she's a former whatever you are former. >> whatever. thanks, guys. >> then morning eric. what do you think? that would be a great poster. >> i'd watch that show. >> of course you'd watch that show. >> title it with holder somehow. >> she suggested morning ric. take the e off. >> i don't know. vanity fair party was fun. the correspondents dinner was, i think, a success. i guess. >> let's move on. i'm bored. >> okay. for the reason now that we have such an elegant panel, we're go i think to start with ukraine where violence is spreading deeper with clashes now erupting in that country's third largest city. hundreds of pro-russian militants stormed police headquarters on sunday demanding that fellow separatists be released. the men smashed open the door of the police station and broke windows and security cameras. five dozen militants were freed with little resistance from police. the men were being held in connection to deadly reactions on friday which left many dead. it was the worst violence in that country since february. the u.s. ambassador to ukraine is now demanding an investigation into the increasing violence and if moscow is behind it. meanwhile, michael mcfaul, the former u.s. ambassador to russia is warning that russia could be in the final stages of preparing for a full scale invasion. >> david ignatius, the ukrainian government says it's protecting its own citizens from pro-russia militias. now we hear russia saying they have to protect russian-speaking people from the government. what are we seeing this morning? >> we're seeing the inability of any government to maintain safety and security in ukraine. which means that the violence is getting worse and the calls for some kind of intervention are growing. the obama administration's biggest hope is that somehow if ukraine can stumble through to elections on may 25 when there'll be a new government and a sense the administration hopes of legitimacy for a government that could crack down, restore orders, defend its borders, et cetera. and the terrible irony of the russians demanding safety for these poor protesters in eastern ukraine. many think the russians have been encouraging the protesters to grab the airport, a television tower. now they're demanding someone maybe even the russians come in and restore order. it's been increasingly chaotic demonstration. it's shows the weakness of the ukrainian government. above all, it illustrates the russians' basic comfort level with this chaotic ukraine on the way to elections on may 25th. >> okay. i'm going to grab a thought that i read recently about the situation in ukraine. especially as it pertains to american leadership. because some can put this as black and white, america is not strong. the president is not strong enough. but i read recently that it's sort of like getting in a fight when you're trying to get a divorce. it's not that easy. because you want to make your point without hurting the whole situation, the whole family. >> how the united states should use its enormous power to deter vladimir putin from invading eastern ukraine just as he invaded crimea a month ago is the question that's really haunting washington. we had a map in "the washington post" over the weekend that showed the battle lines for a war between russia and ukraine. i haven't seen anything like that since history books, you know, after the fall of berlin in 1945. it's just stunning to see that. the administration keeps saying when you push them that its policy is to make it so costly for putin to keep pushing in ukraine, that he'll think twice. he'll stop. >> of course as you know, the ruble and the russian stock market have gone up since we've -- >> things are beginning to -- >> no, since we put the sanctions in place. these sanctions are so insignificant that they're not going to deter somebody like putin, are they? >> you know, joe, the recovery in the russian currency and markets is after a significant fall. so in absolute terms, it's not a great period for russia. i think it is fair to say that obama has been holding in reserve partly because europe is not comfortable yet with heavy duty sanctions. the kind of sanctions that would hit the export industries, principally energy and weapons. if the russians move, if their tanks roll across the frontier in ukraine, i would guess president obama would have merkel with him in imposing sanctions that would make things hurt for russia. but by that time it's too late. the tanks were already in. so no question that obama's taken a go-slow approach to this. >> all right. some political news now. new indicators show rough waters ahead for the democrats in the midterms. a pugh research/usa today poll shows republicans have their biggest advantage in two decades. numbs shows voters shifting away from democrats over the last six months. a majority of voters say the president isn't a factor in their vote, but the number of democrats voting in support of the president's record has fallen 16 points since the 2010 elections. the number of republicans voting against his agenda has increased. still when compared to this point when george w. bush was president, the president's approval is nine points higher. voters have showed a deep desire for change during both presidents' second term saying it's time for different policies. >> john heilemann, we have a flurry of polls. willie and i were talking about this last week, two weeks ago. democrats looking better this past week. republicans looking better. now this pew poll suggests big trouble. also on the "usa today," health spending. this is going to drive the first half of the week as far as the debate goes. health spending up the fastest in 34 years. and in the lead, the "usa today" blames obamacare. >> look. we saw three polls last week, right? we started early last week with the abc/"washington post" poll. then the other poll that seemed kipt. and now this poll. we've had three in a row now from big organizations with big sample sizes who have good records that suggest that maybe what happened with the obamacare 8 million number was more of a blip and that we're actually settling into what i think a lot of people thought the prevailing trend lines would be which is republicans are in a strong position in the midterms and obamacare is going to be by no means a winning -- on the macro level, not a winning issue for democrats. they'll have to be fighting for their lives in general and on that issue going forward. >> harold, it's only may as you and i know more happens in campaigns in six days than let alone six days. but you look atted t the headli. biggest advantage for republicans in two decades. what did democrats do six months out? >> another headline talks about the violence in ukraine. i think there's a sense if you have an everyday hard-working american and you are struggling and working to support their family and you read the political headlines and trends out of washington, just don't bode well for the party in charge. second, you consider the states where you have these elections. states that romney performed well in. states where the health care plan and some of the other things a president is doing or has done is less popular than they are in other states. and finally, i think you showed the numbers between george w. bush and the president in terms of the approval ratings. remember in 2006, democrats cleaned up. if you're democrats, even though it's only may, you have to begin to think now how do you shift a bit on things that would help you? >> we're starting to see keystone, harry reid trying to help. >> help some democrats around. >> helps us as home on manufacturing. helps foreign policy. but you know, willie, it's -- you're starting to see harry reid and you're starting to see other democrats talk about keystone. this energy issue is going to be a big issue because it's about jobs. for once it's not the republicans the base that's pulling them away from where middle america is. democrats have a lot of challenges. >> they do. maybe harry reid's talking about it, but there's still a lot of democrats who are not going to move on the keystone pipe line. maybe there's some deal to use it as a chip for something else. >> the president could just do that. >> that's right. sam, you're looking at these numbers. the piece in the "usa today" says these numbers show the strongest tilt towards republicans in the last couple decades. including stronger than before 2010. republican strategists if you talk to them privately, they're feeling good about this obviously about holding the house but taking the senate as well. >> yeah. i mean, i've said it before and i'll say it again. the best thing the democrats have going for them right now is they had a huge wave loss in 2010. there's fewer seats for them to lose in the house than they would otherwise. the house is a problem when you have so many seats in states that went to romney that holding the majority seems tenuous. that said, looking at national polls is silly. each individual race has its own dynamic. for example, in arkansas where you would imagine is democrat would be really suffering under the burdens of the health care law, a poor economy, sagging approval numbers, mark potter is not that poorly positioned. you do have to look to respect to the senate state by state. one thing i'd add with health care spending which is a scary headline is that the charts early on when they were on kbbcare suggested a very spike in 2014 because millions more people were going to get coverage and spend on health care at the time. we have to wait and see what happens after this spike to see if they continue going down which they were before. it could just be tied to the bad economy. but if the recent trends continue and we have more health care spending, then we're in real trouble basically. >> all right. we're going to keep talking about this. obviously more on ukraine and foreign policy straight ahead with david ignatius. >> oh, yeah. coming up in the 7:00 hour, chuck schumer is here on set. he brought with him an interesting chart on the big fight over raising the minimum wage. >> i'm going to debate him on that chart, the minimum wage, and ask if he would trade keystone for a rise in minimum wage. help workers on both sides of that equation. i'll see if he loves the working man as much as i do. >> i want to see if his chart is more interesting than rattner's. i don't think if that's possible. also a new investigation into the benghazi attacks. >> i'm also going to ask him what happened in ireland when jerry adams was arrested. a strange move considering where the peace talks have been going. >> then live in our 8:00 hour, senator joe manchin is here in the studio and senator tim kaine on his backing for hillary 2016. >> willie and i was -- what did we say this was? >> yeah. >> full throated. yes. >> okay. all right. >> thank you for being there with me, willie. up next, a tragic circus accident leaves a group of performers in critical condition. also ben affleck caught counting cards in las vegas? we'll explain it on morning papers. and jim gaffigan joins us on set. >> i don't know if you can tell by my beard, but i'm fat. i don't know what happened. all i did was eat constantly and then boom i'm fat. seems unfair. >> but first if it was only that simple, here's bill kairns with a check on the forecast. >> good stuff, you guys. we got done with a pretty nice weekend on the eastern seaboard. rain showers in new england yesterday. the heat was the real story, though. everywhere in the red on this map shows you where it was 80 degrees yesterday from d.c. all through the deep south. but the one highlight was the central plains. it was 102 in wichita, kansas. they were off to the driest start to the year ever since the dust bowl in the mid-'30s. with the windy conditions -- this was in oklahoma yesterday. they had me vacuations. a couple structures burned down. you could see one of them there. the way the wind was blowing those flames. another dangerous day in the plains today. what's cruel about the central u.s., even though it was 100 there, it was snowing in northern wisconsin. still very chilly weather remains through the great lakes. there's still some ice on the great lakes from the winter. i think it was 20% ice still left. so chilly today. chicago only a 56 for your high. but we're warm with with a brush fire threat in the middle of the country. we're looking nice in new england. maybe a stray shower or two in maine. but the rest of the region is looking very nice. a perfect spring day for you. and the next five days, the only really big storm we're going to have should bring rain to the northern plains. weld like to get some of this rain in texas and arkansas. that doesn't occur until about thursday. nice week ahead for much of the country. i don't think any tornado threats at all. which is great especially after what we dealt with last week. washington, d.c. was the big scene for the correspondents dinner. here's one more humorous joke. >> the vice president isn't here tonight not for security reasons. he just thought this event was being held at the dulles airport applebees. yes. right now he's elbow deep in jalapeno poppers and talking to a construction cone he thinks is john boehner. also true. ♪ when laquinta.com sends him a ready for you alert the second his room is ready, ya know what salesman alan ames becomes? 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i would urge her -- i would bend over backwards. you talk about political correctness run amok, this is absolute insanity. >> yeah. and universities are supposed to be the place where ideas are exchanged, where your mind is open to all points of view. what a disgrace actually. >> agree with me 100% of the time or you're not allowed to come to an institution that's supposed to be about higher learning. and the frequee market place of ideas. do you know how many speakers students had to listen to at their universities? how many times they had to sit and have their views and their values mocked and ridiculed? you know what they did? they sat in those seats. because they don't get the kind of treatment. i cannot believe -- rutgers needs to bend over backwards to get there. >> they ought to review that. the san francisco chronicle, for the first time in more than two weeks, court is back in session for former olympian oscar pistorius. the first person to arrive at his home the night of reeva steenkamp's death, he described a very emotional scene. >> it's not something i would like to experience again, my lady. it was a young man walking down the stairs with a lady, with a young woman in his arms. and the scene you see, the expression of sorrow, the expression of pain. >> pistorius claims he mistook steenkamp for an intruder. >> seriously, how long is this trial going to go on? 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"new york times," a new study suggests the secret to reversing aging may lie in the blood of the young. research from harvard and stanford university found the blood of young mice rejuvenated the brain's muscles of older mice. also found drastic improvement to every tissue in tnthe bodiesf older mice. >> ben affleck found himself in hot water at the hard rock last week accused of counting cards. he was approached by security for being too good at blackjack and was asked to leave the premises. quote, he is not banned from our property and is welcome back any time. >> good to know. >> unlike willie. >> no. willie's too good. >> just to reiterate, counting cards not illegal. just frowned upon. >> i don't understand what it is. >> with us now on the set in the flesh, white house correspondent for politico, mike allen. mike, good morning. >> happy cinco de monday. >> holy cow. >> you've got to piece on michael hirsch. the hillary industrial complex. we know what it is basically. but take us inside what this looks like. if the runs for president, what heat will she feel about benghazi? >> this is a piece by michael hirsch who's the national editor of politico magazine. he pointed out that benghazi is becoming to this decade what vince foster, white waterwere in the '90s. from mentions of hillary in twitter recent days. 219,000 mentions of benghazi. he calls it the social media twin. this is something that fires up the republican base, but even though the white house hates this topic, democrats in general like it because it helps reinforce their views of the republican base as right wing nuts. >> if you're hillary clinton or if you're running hillary clinton's campaign, should there be a campaign, are you generally concerned in a general election about the idea of benghazi? or is that sort of confined to a republican primary? >> of course you are. the question is whether it's about competition of ideology. at the moment because republicans perhaps overplaying their hand as they seem all too ready to do calling for appointing special committee, more subpoenas. but if it becomes a question about secretary clinton's competence especially at a time when the world events we're talking about at the top of the show, we have not a lot of accomplishments to talk about, then it's a problem. >> harold ford, would you be worried about it? >> the question i have is you've seen polling. where do the american people rank this in terms of -- >> low. and the story points out it's unlikely to hurt her with the voters. it's how she ramps up this campaign. so when she goes out with her book tour starting in june, she wants to be talking about her vision for the future. she wants to talk, remind people of why they used to like the clintons. this at this moment is this big topic that no interviewer can fail to ask about and it's all about the past. that's not what you want. >> people will believe that hillary clinton is not a patriot, doesn't care deeply about the country, doesn't care deeply about our assets around the globe. and if the purpose is trying to suggest that, i think it's going to fall on deafer ears than some would think. >> i think that'd be the case. before we go, nobody's more plugged into washington than you are. what was the review of the white house correspondents dinner over the weekend? >> people thought the president was much tougher on himself than he's been in the past. his great line, sasha needed a speaker for career day, she chose bill clinton. that perfectly captured it in the weekend. >> mike allen with a look inside the play book. thank you. coming up next on "morning joe," a group of marines let it go while watching disney's "frozen." but first the off-season gamble paying off in a big way. and joe johnson with a big fourth quarter. the nets advance across the toronto raptors. highlights next. ♪ [bell rings] [prof. burke] at farmers,we believe what you don't know can hurt you. like what if you didn't know to get coverage for uninsured drivers? 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"the new york times" editorial board writes president obama and the world two years after winning an election in which foreign policy was barely mentioned, president obama is being pummelled at home and abroad for his international leadership. the world sometimes seems it is flying apart with mr. obama unable to fix it. through a combination of a few significant missteps, circumstances beyond his control, unreasonable expectations, and his bland demeanor, he doesn't walk around with his shirt off? i don't get it. in key respects mr. obama is precisely the foreign policy president that most americans and allies overseas wanted. he rejected the shoot first tendencies of president bush. but he has been blamed for his own foreign policy taken as a whole and stripped as much as possible of ideological blinkers. mr. obama's record is not as bad as his critics say. it's just not good enough. so is it just a set of examples that are beyond his control? >> that editorial is fascinating because it has all the different instances in which obama has struggled to get a lot of success. i think most people would agree with him avoiding use of force in these battle grounds of the middle east. it makes sense. not overreacting to ukraine makes sense. yet when you add it up, there is something missing. my own answer would be there are two things. the first is communicating to the american people and the world. this president doesn't do that as much as he needs to on foreign policy. second is credibility. people ask well, he doesn't fight this war or that war. what war would he fight? where would he draw the lines and mean it? i think the president is going to have to make clearer to the world precisely what he's prepared to do in an increasingly messy and dangerous situation especially in ukraine. >> sam stein, building on the comment david just made, do you think what's lacking in the president's foreign policy is some overarching aim or goal that seems to not define or give policy makers a sense of not only where we would fight but what our goals are around the globe? >> to piggyback on what david said and i'm curious what the panel would say. i read "the new york times" editorial and stepped back and asked myself, what would you say if someone asked what was the obama doctrine? you couldn't answer that question. with respect to george w. bush you knew what his broader foreign policy is. i couldn't decide whether defenders would say his prudence, i would guess. critics say overly cautiousness. i'm curious what people think. there doesn't seem to be at this juncture and we're six years in, a definitive obama doctrine with respect to foreign policy. i couldn't pinpoint one myself. >> i'm not sure that's a bad thing. >> it might not be. i don't know. >> sam, i will tell you, you've asked the question here. stricken of the ideological binders and just talk to the ambassadors across the world, the foreign leaders across the world, and david ignatius has heard this more than any of us. if i'm wrong, let me know. that is the critique of the obama administration. that there's no over-arching policy. there's no vision. it is ad hoc in its approach. and again, this is not an ideological take. we have been hearing this from foreign policy leaders for four or five years. >> joe, i travel all over the world and i do hear that. there's a perception that this president is weak. problem is when you're perceived as weak, you're expected to do rash things to show you're not. i'm glad the president isn't doing that. >> not worried he'll be rash. >> bland personality. >> all right. coming up at the top of the hour, senator chuck schumer joins us on set. also they say lumber jacking may be the most dangerous profession in the world. and this video -- >> oh! oh no! >> -- shows why when we return. >> oh, my gosh. ames becomes? i think the numbers speak for themselves. i'm sold! a "selling machine!" ready for you alert, only at lq.com. they're the days to take care of business.. when possibilities become reality. with centurylink as your trusted partner, our visionary cloud infrastructure and global broadband network free you to focus on what matters. with custom communications solutions and responsive, dedicated support, we constantly evolve to meet your needs. every day of the week. centurylink® your link to what's next. what is this place? where are we? this is where we bring together reliably fast internet and the best in entertainment. we call it the x1 entertainment operating system. it looks like the future! we must have encountered a temporal vortex. further analytics are necessary. beam us up. ♪ that's my phone. hey. 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and the answer is, does that thing on his head crap in the woods? i actually don't know. i don't know if that thing on his head has a digestive wbr id "wbr37380" system. welcome back to "morning joe." joining us on set. the senior senator from new york, democratic senator chuck schumer. and from washington, nbc news white house correspondent and host of "the daily rundown," chuck todd. chuck and chuck. we're going to talk about your chart and the minimum wage in just a moment. that was a good dinner. it was a great dinner. i enjoyed it. president was good. and mchale was good. mchale was adorable. here are some of the highlights from the responsibilities /b dinner. >> olympic snow boarding medalist is here. we cannot believe what they do. death defying feats. haven't seen someone pull a 180 that fast since rand paul disinvited that nevada rancher from this dinner. as a general rule, things don't end well if the sentence started, "let me tell you something i know about the negro." just a tip for you. don't start your sentence that way. now that it's 2014, washington is obsessed on the midterms. folks are saying that with my sagging poll numbers, my fellow democrats don't really want me campaigning with them. and i don't think that's true, although i did notice the other day that sasha needed a speaker at career day and she invited bill clinton. >> mr. president, you have to admit, and you already have, the launch of healthcare.gov was a disaster. it was so bad. it was bad. look, i don't even have an analogy because the website is now the thing people use to describe other bad things. they say stuff like, i shouldn't have eaten that sushi. i was up all night healthcare.gov'ing. boy, that latest johnny depp movie really healthcare.gov'd at the box office. look at my new rug. did the dogs healthcare.gov on it? you can't get that out of shag. >> that was funny. he was really good. >> yeah. it was a good night. >> so we've got a lot to talk about. >> we do. why don't we start quickly, though, a couple quick things. minimum wage. harold and i were talking about it before. joe manchin is coming on. how about a deal on minimum wage where we help workers where you raise the minimum wage not to the $10.10 because democrats aren't going to get that. but maybe to $8.50, $9.00 in exchange for keystone. >> i think that's part of our bill on energy efficiency next week. we're willing to see a vote on keystone. each side thinks they're going to win. keystone is a lot less important than it used to be. since it started there's a ton of oil and gas here in the u.s. we used to say if it's not from canada, it's in the middle east. now we're talking about exporting it. >> let's not move the goal posts. keystone's still important, isn't it? >> it's a job issue and a safety issue. we're going to transport it by rail or water. natural gas exports, why not increase that as well? >> 9,000 -- last month 288,000 jobs. keystone, 9,000 jobs. it is not the issue that each sides is making it to be. so minimum wage -- on minimum wage, why is $10.10 important to us? >> i want to go back to keystone for a second. >> okay. go ahead. >> pennsylvania is creating jobs across the state in pennsylvania that's not being created across new york state because this governor, the state legislature are over-regulating fracking. why don't we bring good jobs to upstate new york? they need good jobs. you're their senator. >> yes. >> what do you say to albany to get those good jobs in pennsylvania in upstate new york? >> well, i haven't stepped on the governor's issue on this one. he's being very careful because there are environmental concerns. but overall -- >> shouldn't he be a little less careful? >> overall democrats throughout the country has supported fracking. most of us have and it's worked well. >> would you like to see it in upstate new york? >> if it's done carefully. the governor feels it's going to be done carefully, i sure would. you would? wow. well, you are just like -- good. we need it. do you think there has to be a deal on minimum wage where you split the baby, the republicans get something they want. democrats get something they want. now here's something we can use for a visual. like rattner on this show. that's pretty good. that's attractive. here's the minimum wage chart. we created 288,000 new jobs. jobs are going up. private sector jobs. but wages are going down. they're paying so much less there's less money in the average middle class person's pocket. there's a good argument for minimum wage. since the early 1970s, they've been going down. wbr id "wbr40780" look, i hear you. /b so that's why $10.10 is important for one reason. and important to us. which is it's the bare minimum, you work 40 hours a week and you get out of poverty. why we push it, you should have wbr-id "wbr40925" a fair shot of getting out of poverty if you work 40 hours a week. can you negotiate on the length of time on seasonal workers on other things? yes. and we've told our republican colleagues we would negotiate. but i'll make a prediction here. just like unemployment insurance, they know they're on the wrong side here. we'll get a deal on minimum wage within the next six months. i don't disagree with you. we should index it to inflation. but there has to be a deal. president clinton gave a big speech where he talked about how he was criticized for cutting the capital gains tax. he got 6 million children health insurance. he got 9 million people moved out of poverty. the only question joe's asking is how do we cut a deal? you can have that conversation offline. but natural gas exports will help overseas, create jobs at home, and a larger stockpile of energy. there has to be some give and take there. >> we'll get a deal on minimum wage. there will be some kind of compromise. there are lots of different areas of compromise. and it'll happen. it's just that $10.10 is a pretty strong feeling on our side because it's the bare minimum out of poverty. if minimum wage back in 1960s with inflation would be $10.71 right now. >> senator, we had your colleague tom coburn on last week. he said there shouldn't be a federal minimum wage. the free market ought to take care of it. what do you think of those who oppose minimum wage, that it leads to the loss of jobs? >> economists are on both sides of that. i think what they don't do, those who say it will lose jobs, forget about all the money that would be pumped into the economy. >> i know. >> that creates. and they don't believe in that because that's dynamic scoring on our side. i want to bring up one thing, our next fair shot agenda item. this week elizabeth warren will introduce legislation on making it easier to pay for college. two parts. first, you should be able to refinance. in other words, there are tens of millions of young people and their families who are paying on hundreds of thousands of loans. you should be able to get it down to 3%. we're going to push that. by the way, this is one of the biggest things hurting the market. i totally agree. let's have elisabeth on this week as well. we're pushing this middle class agenda. i agree. let me ask you about the midterm elections. new indicators show wbr-id "wbr42520" rough waters ahead for democrats. front page in the usa today, take us through that. the poll says republicans have their biggest advantage in two decades. numbers show voters shifting away from supporting democrats over the last six months. a majority of voters say the president isn't a factor in their vote. but the number of democrats voting in support of the president's record has fallen 16 points since the 2010 elections. the number of republicans voting against his agenda has increased still. when compared to this point and george w. bush's presidency, the president's approval is nine points higher. voters have showed a deep desire for change during both presidents' second term. >> chuck todd, look at the usa today, not good news. not good news about the polls showing democrats not in good shape right now. that changes every week and a half. but look up top. i think you're going to see republicans holding this headline all day. health care spending up the most since 1980. of course it's only the first quarter, but we're going to be having this debate over the next six months as well. what do you make of these polls? the nbc news poll, the abc news poll. it does look like democrats have some tough sledding ahead over the next few months? >> it's may. the best number they have to tout is the one that happened on friday. right? it's that jobs number. you know, the one unknown here is, you know, we've been told for three years that if there were some form of government certainty, then private sector in the economy would start to take off. we'd start to see some consistent moves. they got their budget deal in december. so we have a -- we have sort of two years of certainty. there are no major things that are sort of up in the air between the two parties right now between congress and the president. there's no giant standoff. if -- you know, the what if there is three or four straight months of what we saw on friday where you have nearly 250,000 to 300,000 jobs created over that period? does that change the mind-set? to me it's about the only thing that could change the dynamic. because it does feel like we're not yet in concrete, but it's certainly a very heavy mix. it's drying quickly. that is of concern to democrats. the only thing that could change this dynamic, i think, is sort of this -- an economy that starts taking off that the public believes is taking off. >> sam stein, the sub-head on this top story, more americans visiting hospitals under obamacare. but last hour, though, you dug into the numbers. what do you find? >> well, this is sort of what was predicted when they were gaming out how the affordable care act would play out. which is as soon as you had a couple million people getting insurance for the first time, they would see doctors, they would go to hospitals. health care spending would spike. now, prior to this, health care spending had been on decline. the question was was that because of obamacare or because of a sagging economy? i think we need to look ahead. i mean, the next couple months will be a big indication of whether or not health care spending is out of control. for the senator, i'm kind of curious along these lines. where is obamacare politically at this juncture? it's hard wbr id "wbr44670" to tell on the polls whether democrats have gained anything from those enrolled? how will it play in november? two things. i think the negatives will be somewhat lower. the positives will be somewhat higher. i'm not sure it will be in that positive. but i do think it will be less bad. i do think this and this is what all the polls show. joe's question is right. the good thing in the polls and that's why we're focusing on the /b agenda. whether it's middle class wanls, whether it's getting the economy going, whether it's health care, anything like that. so when we talk about substantive issues, we win. and that's -- we're trying to get the agenda back. i think by november the kind of issues we're talking about, college affordability, equal pay, minimum wage, jobs going overseas. will predominate over obamacare. they fired their shot a little too soon. >> all right. >> willie? >> do you think if you look at obamacare more broadly as sam stein pointed out in the last hour, it's difficult to talk about national polls because each state is different this time around. but if you talk to republicans they feel there's a wind at their back. how do you feel about the senate? >> i feel we're going to keep the senate. >> you do? >> yeah. you look at the four key races. alaska, arkansas, louisiana, north carolina where we have incumbents in red states. they're ahead in each one. even kay hagen is ahead by two, but she's had $12 million of unanswered commercials against her. and she hasn't even begun to put on her positives or go after her opponent whoever it's going to be negatives. so i think if you look -- this is how it always is. nationally it looks better for republicans right now. mainly because middle class incomes are declining. what we talked about here. and the public is sour. >> all right. >> but state by state looks much better for us. we will keep the senate. >> texas governor rick perry -- i want you to stay for this one -- has been mentioned among potential 2016 contenders. >> good luck. >> is being candid about -- my god. senator schumer. >> last time i checked, he's not on any rolls in republican primaries. rick perry is just fine. he talked about his disappointing bid for 2012. but he also suggested the door is far from closed for a political comeback. >> you ran in 2012. a lot of people thought that was a botched effort on your part. how do you get a second look now? >> i would tend to agree with them on the botched effort side of it. >> what went wrong? >> listen, i think america is a place that believes in second chances. i think that we see more character out of an individual by how do you perform after you fail and you go forward. >> in kentucky, multiple horse races converged at churchill downs. mitch mcconnell tweeted this photo inside the track. but it was senator rand paul who drew the most attention hosting media mogul rupert murdoch around the luxury boxes. murdoch, no no vis when it comes to the matters of political imagery, allowed himself to be paraded around for six hours like a prized horse behind a proud jockey. amounted to a message to more establishment republicans that as he put it, i'm very open minded. >> chuck todd, if you follow rupert murdoch's history in endorsing candidates, anything is possible including a possible endorsement of rand paul or hillary clinton. i think much more likely to endorse hillary clinton than any republican senator out there right now. but let's talk about the first thing. i've got to say, again, we absolutely pounded rick perry around this table in 2012 for good reason. he wasn't ready to run. he had some back problems, on medication for that. i know about that better than anybody else as far as what back pain does to you. this guy's looking pretty good in the early stages. are you a skeptic? >> you know, i know we're supposed to be skeptical of him because of it was such a poor effort. there's a part of me saying where's he going to raise the money this time? it's going to be harder for him to convince the major donors. that guy who showed up to "meet the press" yesterday, he's very comfortable in his own skin. there's something about when a candidate loses and accepts responsibility for the loss, it's amazing they can turn around. look. we have a history of our presidents having been humbled by an embarrassing loss. barack obama got thumped in a campaign for congress. bill clinton lost a re-election campaign for governor that was probably the most campaign he ever ran. losing made him a better candidate. george w. bush lost his first race for congress. you know, losing can do that, can humble you in a way. i have to say i thought rick perry seemed like a happy warrior to me. you could see him just sort of being this sort of tortoise kind of candidate. >> do not write him off. 1988, bill clinton actually booed at the democratic convention. four years later he was their saving grace. he was so bad that he actually went on "the tonight show". >> johnny carson thing turned over the timer thing. >> he was a punchline. and senator schumer, you know this. politics, things can change. you know rupert murdoch, he's from new york, you're from new york. >> yep. >> spent a lot of time with him. he could endorse a republican. he could endorse a democrat. i think it's all safe for us to say around this table here he's not going to endorse rand paul. >> he's a neocon. rand paul is the opposite. i don't think he'd bring himself to trust rand paul's instincts. but to go there, that was a smart political move for both of them. i admire that. one thing on the republican nominee in perry. he may be the comeback kid. here's the problem. the republican party needs to be somewhere in the middle. romney was sort of perry-like. but unless you move a little bit to the middle in the general election, you lose the only two candidates who have pushed the tea party off. christie, jeb bush. i don't think another candidate's going to come close to -- >> mitt romney is a creature of the middle and he lost. >> he wasn't. >> john mccain was a creature of the middle and he lost. bob dole was, he lost. >> different america. it is. >> no, senator. >> yes. >> we are one america. >> hey, joe. hey, joe. could you imagine the chuck schumer ads that are going to get run against them? he just endorsed chris christie. >> no. they can push off the tea party. that's true. >> note to self. always book chuck schumer after the white house correspondents dinner because he is loopy and possibly inebriated. >> any republican candidate that pushes off the tea party will not only lose the primary. even if they pass the primary -- you need both sides. >> that's why we're going to win. you can't push off the tea party and win the general. senator, you know what? you're fighting the last war. okay. we'll see. we will see. pinky bet. oh, my god. okay. senator chuck schumer, thank you. chuck todd, thank you as well. we'll watch you on "the daily rundown" wbr-id "wbr49390" on msnbc this morning. ahead in our 8:00 hour, senator joe manchin and senator tim kaine. and army veteran wes moore with a special look at vets overcoming extreme obstacles when they return from serving abroad. plus democrats say republicans are just playing politics by harping on benghazi. our next guest says they're just afraid to confront the truth. republican congressman peter king standing by. and then louis takes us behind the scenes for a look at the white house correspondents dinner. his look. and it's awkward and weird and all over the place. louis, i'm sure zbln lots of celebrities. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. >> it's a genuine thrill to be here in washington, d.c., the city that started the whole crack smoking mayor craze. between rob ford, justin bieber, and ted cruz, you just want to tell canada, hey, hey, relax. we already have a florida. ♪ [ male announcer ] staples has everything you need to get your client's attention. from brochures to business cards to banners. everything... except your client's attention. thousands of products added every day to staples.com, even bullhorns. how much? 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isn't this going to upset the balance that's going on between protestants and catholics? >> it certainly can. and i've known gerry adams for over 30 years. this man has taken enormous risks for peace. you can talk to tony blair, to bill clinton. tony blair says how much he came to admire and respect gerry adams. he's the one person who kept his word throughout this entire process. and he brought about peace at tremendous risk to himself. now, he was saying there's no evidence against him. the only alleged evidence i'm aware of is there's two people both of whom broke with adams because they were opposed to the peace process. and they were determined to get gerry adams. they made this on tape to boston college. they're both dead now. these are the hardliners who hated adams. >> they hated adams because he was forcing peace on the ira. >> exactly. >> that's what was so surprising to me. this is a guy who every day walks around with a target on his back because he dared to make peace in northern ireland. and he dared to move away from the violence of that conflict. a guy that walks around and is literally risking his life for peace in ireland is a guy now being arrested by irish authorities. i don't get it. >> it makes no sense at all. he was a person that was shot in 1984, he was almost killed. now he's being targeted by the ira by elements of the ira who are opposed to the peace process with the british. so he has put himself at risk. i think what part of this is is it's going to win big in the elections coming up in two weeks. i think there are elements in the blish security apparatus who don't want to see adams achieve these victories and they have not gotten other what happened 40, 50 years ago when there was so much on all sides. just last week the british government said it would not announce the massacre of 11 catholics in belfast was carried out by british paratrooper unit in the '70s. i agree, by the way. i think they should end the investigations and go forward. >> there are horrors on both sides. we are in a time of peace. it's so irony just last week a close friend of our family who is from northern ireland and very supportive of the catholic position was actually grumbling about that sinn fein and gerry adams went too far. i said who would you vote for if not him? he said i'm going to vote for sinn fein because we have to move forward. then he's arrested takes us back to 1972. i just don't get pit. >> i want to turn now to benghazi. house speaker john boehner is forming a select committee to focus on the issue. he says the white house misled the american people by withholding documents related directly to the attack. democrats are indicating they actually might boycott the whole thing. >> i do not know why at all any democrat would want to participate in this by boycotting it it just becomes a redundant and partisan republican exercise. it's only a matter of time before democrats raise the follow question. would there be a select committee if it didn't want to have the power to subpoena the former secretary of state hillary clinton for obviously reasons pertaining to presidential politics. >> congressman king, it's willie. you said the idea of a boycott is wrong. you said it would be arrogant. you say democrats feel they have something to hide. what questions do you have left about benghazi? what do you think comes out of this select committee? what's left to know? >> first let me just talk about what george said there. to me the purpose of a select committee is to bring all of the elements together. right now there's too many separate parts involved and the whole picture can never be brought together. a lot of questions here. one, i have real questions. where was general petraeus during the entire time of the talking points? and as you look at the talking points and e-mails back and forth, clearly what happened here i believe is there was an ere ro for. the state department did not provide enough security. i understand these things. instead of owning up to that, they went to the phony story about the video causing this spontaneous demonstration. and from there you had elements from the white house like ben rhodes and people in the state department working to come up with a narrative so susan rice would go on television and tell a story. there's always politics. joe and i have been involved in a lot of political issues over the years, but i just feel when you're talking about four americans being murdered, the government, the president, the state department, the cia, the national security council have an obligation to tell the truth. and they have not done this to this time. >> i think it is hard to boycott something where four americans have died, you have an ambassador killed asked for more backup and support. even moving forward, how do we prevent this from happening in the future? i think it's going to be tougher for democrats. >> hard to do. though george's point about it being transparent as a matter of raw politics is true. to that point, one of the things that democrats and many others are concerned about is the notion this will be a transparently political exercise. and it will run on forever. so is there a way in which the select committee's duration could be limited so that you wouldn't be looking at the potential of an ongoing investigation that would go out all the way through the end of the 2016 campaign and conceivably 2017 if hillary clinton does happen to run. she may be president and being investigated over this. >> i support the select committee. i think there cab time frame put into it. this should not go on forever. from a political point of view, i think the worst thing republicans could be seen as is somehow encouraging a political fight over the fact that four americans were murdered. because it is so serious, we have an obligation to make it work, to make it work in an effective and efficient way. support the people on the committee making sure they function in a professional way and we not turn it into some kind of a show. it should be out of the way before the 2016 elections are in high gear. no doubt about it. >> all right, congressman peter king, thank you very much. good to have you on. >> good to have you on. >> thank you, joe. our own louis was in washington for the white house correspondents dinner. >> he deserves arresting. >> his 72-hour odyssey is still ahead on "morning joe." >> arresting would be too good for him. >> liverpool's manager is confident they'll finish on top of the epl despite manchester city. and later he's a self-described male model and author of "my dad is fat." >> we still act excited when we see fruit. we're like, yea fruit. at least it's not vegetables. because no one wants vegetables. when you're at a party and they have a vegetable tray, aren't you almost surprised? 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>> i think what we need to do is get our hands on the documents that the white house has been withholding. i mean, that's probably what the american people want to see. so regardless of who chairs, the question is what type of cooperation are we going to see out of the white house. and waiting 20 months to finally release some of these documents and only after a request, that leaves everybody questioning. >> why is it important? democrats think this is overally ideological. why is it important to have a select committee? >> well, you had four americans die there. you had a political spin that went on for months and months at least through the election trying to assert that, you know, this was about a very different reality than the one on the ground. when it happened on the ground as you talked before, it was a terrorist attack. this is not what the administration wanted to spin to the public. so that's a political act. >> what's the theory beyond the question of how the talking points are put out by administrations all the time. it was a political campaign. there was a lot of uncertainty in the immediate aftermath about what happened. what's the theory of critics about what would be recevealed the worst case scenario? what's the dark part of what the failure was that happened? >> the conspiracy is the coverup itself, right? but if you want to call it a conspiracy. i don't know what else you -- what other conclusion you want to come to. you had a situation where you had people on the ground who needed to be defended. and you had a political act in the white house where they decided not to provide the assistance prior to the attack despite all the evidence and afterwards decided to say this wasn't because it wasn't an al qaeda attack at all. it wasn't a terrorist attack at all. it was spontaneous. >> we had multiple investigations of what happened in benghazi, right? media investigations, congressional investigations. >> and for the first time we get some insight into how they were trying to spin this as a political argument that get out there and emphasize, efmphasize this was not a failure of policy. yes, it was. it was a failure also to listen to your ambassador and other people on the ground who wanted the assets to help defend that compound. this is a real issue. >> at that point in time, what was our libyan policy? obviously ambassador stevens knew what he was getting into it. this was a country he had deep roots and ties to. but we all know from the coverage that got us to that point, the complete chaos that libya was. so if you're talking about a policy failure that led to some type of conspiracy, what is the policy failure? >> the policy failure here is not listening to your assets on the ground. you heard the deputy chief admission, his testimony in the senate. you recall he relaid all the attempts to get things in place to defend. we now began to see that ran with the political spin that the administration was trying to sell at the time. that's one of the reasons, apparently, why they wouldn't allow the defense of the -- of the compound with the additional assets that might have protected those four americans. >> with hindsight being 20/20 in all of this, is the main reason this is flooked at now is becaue it's under hillary clinton who might be running in 2016. >> don't you think the main interest is it took 20 months to get to the bottom of this with a request that was made by an outside organization despite the fact that congress including my committee had requested these documents. if you wait 20 months to get a document, it's a question in terms of what the administration is up to in not coming clear with the oversight responsibilities that congress has here. >> all right, ed. thank you so much. and again, the most important thing both sides have to remember so much. again, the most important thing both sides have to remember, four americans dead. that's what we have to focus on and figure out how we make sure it never happens again. >> congressman ed royce, thank you very much. >> thank you, ed. >> coming up, liverpool hopes to win its first championship in three years. roger bennett skipping into the room. i have no idea what he's about to say because i can never understand him. ♪ where did you go, where did you go ♪ when the world called for speed... ♪ ...when the world called for stealth... ♪ ...intelligence... endurance... affordability... adaptability... and when the world asked for the future. staying ahead in a constantly evolving world. that's the value of performance. northrop grumman. that's the value of performance. tigers, both of you. tigers? 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[ laughter ] you can just pick up the phone, eric. >> governor, do you want bridge jokes or size jokes? i can go both. i can go half and half. i know you like the combo joke. i'm sorry, governor christie, i didn't know i was going to tell it. whoever wrote it will be fired. so i will be a man and own up to it just as soon as i know how it happened. and if i find any wrong doing on my part, i assure you i will be dealt with. i just looked into it, it turns out i'm not responsible for it. justice has been served. >> can we just celebrate these pictures, by the way? it is so beautiful outside. after six months of just absolute garbage. look at that view, beautiful sunrise over the mall. it just gorgeous. >> and senator from west virginia joining the table, joe manchin. and the birthday boy, visor to president george bush, -- >> 5/5/55. >> 55, wow. >> no, i'm 59 but i was born 5/5/55. >> we have chuck todd joining us as well. >> let's just talk a minute about chris christie. he actually -- he really looked good, he was in a good place, the jokes rolled right off of his back. we talked to him, we were going back and forth, we had a lively exchange -- >> i got right in his face. >> mark told this shot. we were debating book sells in new hampshire. he said i was selling a lot of books in new hampshire. i said i can sell more books in new hampshire than you. very good sense of humor. he seems to be in a good place, mika. >> everyone talks about fat jokes and whether or not they're appropriate. >> i don't appreciate it because look at this picture. i've lost weight, okay? i'm not that fat. >> look at mika in that picture. look at how angry you look. you look scowling. >> well, it's a long story. there was a lot going on there. >> it's a party, mika. have fun! >> the first part of rehabilitation is the ability to laugh at yourself. >> that's a good point, though. i'll tell you something else he's doing. he is staying away, he's working in jersey, like we said he should. he's not going on national shows, he's keeping his head down. i thought for me a moment when i was just reading the "new york times" a couple weeks ago and there's this long story on bridgegate and whatever they call it. i get halfway through the story and i go vladimir putin is in russia right now. i don't want to keep obsessing about two lanes being closed back in november. and if i'm thinking about that as an analyst, i'm thinking a lot of americans are thinking, okay, fine, if he told the truth, let's move on. >> right, birthday boy? >> yeah, he's moving on. i think it's on to the next act. >> i don't know about that. i would say he looked physically terrific. we'll really happy for him about that. chuck todd, chris christie in terms of his appearance there and the whole story of chris christie being the butt of some jokes, what do you make of what happened over the weekend? >> that one joel mchale riff that you guys played, that was brilliant. that was just really well delivered. he hit the timing and it was pretty funny. but i agree with you. i saw governor christie. first of all, you can tell he's losing weight, he looks physically -- >> terrific. >> he's absolutely making progress. kudos to him. congratulations to the governor on that front. you're right, he looked like he was comfortable. he got a ton of incoming. you thought maybe that's three, four monies old, is that going to resonate. that one riff by mchale was hilarious. were like, my god, i think governor christie got picked on too much. >> i was sort of flinching. >> it oddly sort of helped him. >> apparently he took the jokes much better than our good friend donald. >> yes, he did. >> so joe manchion, let me ask you something, are you thinking about leaving all of this stuff in washington, d.c., heading back home to west virginia? >> the only thing i have said is it not been a very productive time the last three and a half years. i said i want to contribute more. so i keep all options open. >> you can do something good every day, feeling like you've made a difference in someone's life, waking up excited to go to work given. i want to feel that given. i'm going to wait to 2014 to see what shakes out. i have a better platform in the senate to make a difference in the world, my country and my state. but if the leaders don't get together and it just going to be stalemate, i have to rethink it, too. i'm not a spring chicken anymore. >> you look great. >> you are a spring chicken. come on. >> it's just a very dysfunctional place and culturally an unpleasant place to. a lot of people say, man, this is not a fun place to work. how much worse is it than you expected it to be? >> i didn't know what to expect from this standpoint. i always thought it was the highest honor in our country's public service to be able to serve in the senate. i keep hearing people say, well, it used to be that way in the good old days, it used to be this way. well, i've not been there when anything worked. where i come from from west virginia, you don't embarrass people and attack people every day and then expect to work with them. >> i'm expected to basically sit down across the aisle and raise money against them and what's most important? the country moving forward? the bess government is good politics. >> and minimum wage, i asked chuck schumer earlier, can we get a compromise, democrats over $10, republicans still fighting. do you think there as a compromise, maybe $8.50, $9, throw in keystone, both side, compromise? whatever helps workers? >> keystone will be by itself -- >> will keystone pass by itself? >> it should pass. it passed last year by 62 votes. >> why isn't it passing? ilt ridiculous. >> no one can give me a good explanation why. >> let's go behind closed doors. is this really all about donors on the far left pushing democratic senators from doing what they know? >> those are donors that i don't know very well. >> that's good. >> so i can't spack from that side of the bench, okay. with that being said, it doesn't make any sense and i don't think it helps democrats, especially democrats in challenging areas so we've got to move forward. 10.10 is great but if we can't get it, give me something. >> chuck todd did you want to check in. >> i want to ask you this, senator. you're not the first former governor who comes to the senate and says, oh, my god, what have i gotten myself into? there's a wheel caucus of you guys, about 10 or 12 of ex-governors serving as senators and you guys are the ones that sort of feel the dysfunction than others. because you were executives, you got to make aity signatures and see it implemented whereas here you make a decision and see what government does with it. i understand that. why can't you guys get together and become a powerful caucus, lamar alexander, yourself, uch got mark warner. you guys are sort of are center left or center right in some ways. why aren't you banding to the and trying to become two pushbacks at harry reid and mitch mcconnell? >> we have formed a caucus and we are working together. some of those senators are not you for reelection. their state and their populous and basically where they have to be. the ten of us said, listen, we're going down this road together, swim or sink together, it would chang the whole country and change the world. i'm hoping we can break out of this. it's becoming more contentious. no matter what happens, this election is going to be tight. no one is going to have 60 votes. people in the middle are going to start leading because the bottom lien is we've got to move forward on issues and the economy and the jobs -- >> so let's look at the landscape because new indicators are showing rough waters ahead in the mid terms. a pugh/"usa today" poll said republicans have their biggest advantage in decades. numbers show voters shifting away from democrats over the last six months. the number of democrats voting in the mid terms in support of the president's record has fallen 16 points since the 2010 elections. the number of republicans voting against his agenda have increased. still the president's approval is 39 points higher than president bsh's rating. 65% are saying it's time for different policies under president obama. >> here's the "usa today" poll, they talk about how democrats in many ways are in worse shape than they were in between. but you know what? i remember 1994 and how it felt that year. i remember 2006 when democrats swept. you sure remember what it felt like that year. i remember what it felt like in 2010. all three of those years, i felt it coming. i'll be honest with you, i don't feel that. when i go out there, i don't feel -- i don't feel what i felt those three years. i remember telling republican friends in the beginning of 2006, don't run. brother, you're going to get killed. don't run. they ran, they got killed. i don't feel -- that doesn't man republicans aren't going to win. i'm just saying at this point in the election process, it doesn't feel like 2010. >> there's a little uptick in the economy if it continues. >> listen, i got to get more than three words out of mark mckinnon. i know it his birs day. >> maybe he's already prepared for it and that's why he doesn't want to talk on the air. how do you feel about republicans this year? is it going to be a big year or not? >> i don't think it going to be a tsunami but i think the republicans will keep the house and have control of the senate. i think they'll have control of boat john mccain jis. >> just very quickly, i think the reason you dent feel that way is when we normally have these wave years, the party that catches the wave has been out of power. the question is are voters so enamored with the party so-called out of power but are republicans fully seen as out of power or do they share some of the blame for the discussion in washington. i also remember 1998 when we were so so sure we were going to have a repeat of '94 and there would be an impeachment and it blew up in their face. what do you think? >> i simply look at the quality of the candidates we have. weep have the candidates in the most contentious races in the moderate, middle range. these are problem solvers able to work with us. when you look at kay haguen and mary landrieu, i think they'll success and they'll win. it will be close but these are the time of people need to keep in the senate. they're quality people that can work with both sides. they're not to the far left, for right. >> quick un-for-hypothetical. if you were running for election this year, one, would you ask the president to come campaign for you in west virginia -- >> no. >> and, two, would you run away from obamacare or would you embrace it in part or embrace it in whole? >> you can't go back to having the most expensive health care in the world and being 34th in the world in terms of longevity. i wouldn't have voted for what we had today. but what the problem and the market as got to match up. if the product doesn't fit the market, the market will change the product. we basically have to get toward wellness. >> i to ask this following kwe following up. after newtown, when you go back, comfortably, if i ran into a republican primary anywhere in america, i would comfortably go and campaign on background chests for criminal will you comfortably take the position that ronald reagan took? >> i go back every day and talk common sense. >> and your nra friends understand it. you tell me you want to sell your gun that you have done know, sell your goon to someone you've never met on the internet but on the other hand i'm a law abiding gun owner, i'm not going to send it to a stranger or convicted felon or somebody who is not mentally stable or give it to a family member who is not worthy of it. if that's the case, don't you expect me to do the right thing on the internet? common sense is common sense. yes, it is. >> and your friends in west virginia -- >> i love joe. he's reasoning for governor, did you hear? >> happy birthday! >> mckinnon's been hanging out in colorado a lot. up know what that means. >> yeah, but he didn't need a law. >> coming up, wes moore joins us about his project on veterans and jim gaffigan will be here on set. be right back. weekdays are for rising to the challenge. they're the days to take care of business. when possibilities become reality. with centurylink as your trusted partner, our visionary cloud infrastructure and global broadband network free you to focus on what matters. with custom communications solutions and responsive, dedicated support, we constantly evolve to meet your needs. every day of the week. centurylink® your link to what's next. can help your kids' school get extra stuff. they're the only cereals with box tops for education. you can raise money for your kids' school. look for this logo. only on big g cereals. you can make a difference. every cereal box counts. to get your client's attention. from brochures to business cards to banners. everything... except your client's attention. thousands of products added every day to staples.com, even bullhorns. how much? 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>> i think best qualified is the message. best qualified is the message. this is something i thought a lot about. of everybody out there who could run, who is thinking about running for president, she is the best person to be the 45th president. a and also the relationship she has with leaders. but it's going to be hard. 2016 is facing off against the super pac sludge factory. if it was easy for a woman to be president, there would have been a woman president. if she's the right person and if it's going to be hard, the best thing i can do is get out early and start pushing. that's why i did it. >> not that there's anything wrong with it. another part of it is that she can win. >> my sense is i don't know national politics as well as i know virginia politics, but virginia is an important bellwether state. i feel confident if she runs she will win virginia's electoral votes and i think that means she has a great chance of being successful. >> obviously senator clinton looks incredibly strong right now for the democratic primaries and also the general election potentially for 2016 but nobody gets a free ride. >> absolutely. >> who do you think in the democratic field is likely to step up and run besides senator clinton? >> i've heard a lot of folks thinking of running, the vice president, governor o'malley, schweitzer and others. some of it may depend on whether secretary clinton runs or not. there will be competition. we're democrats. that's the way we do things. i don't have inside intel about her decision-making process. i would suspect she wouldn't decide until later in the year. there's a lot of names out there. no one has asked me for my support, even secretary clinton hasn't asked me for support. but in thinking about who might run, i think she would be our best president, our best candidate and i want to encourage others to do what i've done and get on board. >> this is robert thomas. you're trying to draft hillary into the race. so hillary is not ready for hillary, though you are. and i say republicans are ready because they want to continue talking about benghazi. as this continues to play out, this will be what happened in benghazi as long as republicans and reporters are interested in digging. >> hey, tom, ahomas, i think wet to be talking about bends but i think we ought to be talking about how to make sure it never happens given. coincidentally, later today i'm going to a former army base in virginia, fort pickett. i've worked with the state department to help them make plans for an embassy training facility there. we ought to be talking about how to reduce the chances of violence at our embassies around the world and how to make sure our people are safe. the congress is focused a little more on the blame game and that's not the issue here. >> senator kaine, come join us on set sometime. >> thank you. >> coming up, wes moore. and then expert food consumer jim gaffigan joins us with more of -- oh, that's not good. don't do that. don't do that. it's my book but that is so bad what you're eating. we'll be right back with more identify morning joe." ♪ everybody needs a place to rest, everybody wants to have a home ♪ ♪fame, makes a man take things over♪ ♪fame, lets him loose, hard to swallow♪ ♪fame, puts you there where things are hollow♪ the evolution of luxury continues. the next generation 2015 escalade. ♪fame he gets a ready for you alert the second his room is ready. when sales rep steve hatfield books at laquinta.com, so he knows exactly when he can prep for his presentation. and when steve is perfectly prepped, ya know what he brings? 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because i'd rather die. >> i disagree. apple picking is fun. >> that was a clip from the comedy special of jim gaffigan. a year ago mika put out a book that's literally changed the way -- >> comes out in paperback tomorrow. >> she poured her heart out and talked about her struggles with food, jim gaffigan, come on, call the freaking lawyers! >> it's amazing. we're both blond, both our fathers were part of the carter administration. >> he's just making it up right now. >> polish. >> no, what is that about? i'm like the anti-mika. you play those clips and i'm like this is just embarrassing. and then the hot pocket thing. >> what is the hot pocket? >> where's barnicle? >> that's a good question. he's reading mika's book in a bar right now, eat being fruits and vegetables. >> i do the audio version of mika's book. >> oh, do you? what an awful thought. >> tell us about this. the food obsession continues. my sons and i have been following your hot pocket obsession for decades now. >> i deal with hard hitting issues with food. everything you want to do, i kind of explore answered just can't stop because it either that or feel my feelings, right? >> let me talk about the hot pocket, if i could. have you had the pizza in a pocket? because it's good. >> they had these out and i was tempted to bite into one but i don't want to have to run off in the middle of a segment. >> hot pockets is in the news more often than lindsey lohan. >> don't, mika, don't! you'll have to write another book. >> i could eat this entire plate of hot pockets. >> doesn't do it! >> num, num, num. >> this is from the recall batch, right? >> breaking news. they discovered some of the meat was bad in hot pockets. >> they have meat in hot pockets? and people that eat hot pockets already knew. michelle obama is rolling offve in her bed right now. how dare you are eat that? >> i could eat ten of those. >> what else do you talk about? >> i talk about weddings being absurd. >> why are weddings absurd? >> because they're ridiculous. >> i agree. but tell us why. >> it's prehistoric, medieval ceremony where daughters were exchanged as property yet over the course of centuries, it got worse. it's out of control what we do at weddings. joe, i didn't know we were going to talk about that. >> i haven't laughed once here. you're freaking out at this sight here. >> you're seeing a transformation here. >> it's a food coma. >> there's something that happens when you take a bite into a hot pocket, something that's so processed and so bad for you that you feel good. there's sugar in here, you know that? a lot. >> mika, i think you'd be better off if you were wearing a pair of gloves when you ate that. >> it brings you back to bad things. >> jim, you have a new pilot coming out, hopefully? >> please take it away. >> it features you living in an apartment with five kids, two bedrooms, the wife, the kids. >> we had a two bedroom and we finally moved. we're now in a one bedroom. >> career's going well, huh? >> so the pilot is -- i mean, it's a long shot but it's about my life being the father of five kids. >> it's an early standout. early standout. >> look at that family. >> somewhere in iowa, they created the hamburger called the gaffigan undead burger? >> yes. it's a zombie burger in demoan. >> your wife is adorable. how did you get her? >> brainwashing. >> maybe it was one of those traditional weddings you talk about. >> the burger, there's five patties, one for each of my children. there's jalapenos because i'm a spicy latina and cheddar because i'm a hot latina. >> thank you for stealing the title of my book. i love it. we should go on tour. jim gaffigan "obsessed." your children are adorable, your wife is beautiful. >> on the loose in washington. it just not right. i'm not sure about this but we'll have his report from the white house correspondents dinner coming up next. wondering what that is? 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sterlings of the world and the sheriff copelands, but in a little town in new hampshire, all white, whites came out to demand that this commissioner resign because he used the n-word. all kind of nba players and other owners voted to get rid of mr. sterling. yes, we still have segregation in schools, but people are standing up fighting it. yes, we still have big gots in this country, but there are those that have increased the numbers that are fighting bigotry. we just have to keep proving there's more of us than there are of them. thanks for watching. i'm al sharpton. have a great weekend. "hardball" starts right now. the return of team clinton. let's play "hardball." let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the r. let's play "hardball." the rt good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. why did rove do it? possibly the partisan equivalent of a terror attack. getting the other side so shook off it moves off its game plan. did rove do that, get the clintons ton a fight a year ahead of schedule? did that get bill and hillary out in the streets clamoring, out there looking like the veteran roe partners they intend to be, but way, way ahead of their 2016 schedule? did rove succeed in setting up the health matter just before her book tour to get every tv, radio and reporter to drop the health question wherever the book tour takes her. and finally, did karl rove southerly encourage jeb bush to get into the race by show how ready operatives like him are to do the job on hillary, just like they did the job on michael dukakis back in 1988. and after all the blowback, could it be that karl rove doesn't mind at all being hated all the more by the left for running alongside the clinton campaign bus lobbing stink bombs in the window as long as it makes him more highly prized on the right, especially by the big money people. david corn is the washington bureau chief for mother jones and is an msnbc political analyst. and the special correspondent "the daily beast." all opinions are relevant because i have been trying to project where this takes us. it's been the week of the attack on hillary's health, whatever that is. has it worked, or even hurt her? what's it all about? rove is going to be around and she's going to be around and bill clinton is going to be around. >> this talking point is not going anywhere. i don't know if this was strategically intended for this particular week, but week by week -- >> he's been doing this for a while. week by week, the clintons are more and more in the news, particularly hillary, as we get up to the big book release, happening next month. so you see more and more folks on the right as you get closer to 2016 trying to take shots at hillary. now, i think what rove wants to do here, he doesn't want to win the case. you know, he actually made a mistake by talking about brain damage and going too far and having to qua zi apologize. >> he said brain injury, would that have been smarter? >> i think it would have. he wants to create background noise so this question linger, hovers. people have to ask her. >> we've seen this so many times. they did it to dukakis with the psychiatrist. >> it's not at all unexpected. and it's going to continue to come up. and actually, though, in one way or the other, she will have to address this the way that john mccain and ronald reagan did. they did it more with rumor, but this is an issue. >> let's go where we were six months ago. hillary clinton comes off a pretty sterling performance as secretary of state. worked hard, went millions of miles. became first name basis with these world leaders. she's up here as an icon, not a politician. is she still an icon? >> it drags her back down into the political -- >> they're dragging me back in again. every time i get out. >> a little bit like that. but that's inevitable. if she runs she's going to become a political figure again. >> it's may 2014. she's expected to announce in 2015? >> early 2015, maybe. we've got to talk about it. it's going to standard happening and it has happened. when rove walks into a crowd, not like this little crowd, but somebody on the pretty far right money people, is he well received now. is he seen as a guy who, okay a little dirty? but he gets the job done. >> the group that he started, american crossroads had a big problem. they didn't win the races they were in last time. i know from talking to people on the right that his group did not do the internal autopsy that convinced people that they knew what to do next time. but that said, all karl rove needs is one or two texas billionaires, that's always been his go-to gang, to fund whatever he wants to do snex next. so they're still out there. he'll rope them in and they will appreciate this attack. >> who else is a riding, roping cowboy like this guy. this is lee atwater stuff. $103 million lost on every single race. is there a fee in this? he places these ads. does he get 7%? >> of course he does. but he lost every single race. >> the husband of outed cia officer valley plame has his own history with rove. wilson took rove to task for engaging in his old dirty tricks. in the long run, wilson says they will backfire. african-americans, gays, women have long since fled the republican party as poll after poll have shown. but rove is still practicing his old treks by attacking hillary clinton, he seems to do short term damage, but what about the long-term damage he's done and is doing to his own party? by 2016, rove will have succeeded in alienating millions of more through his revolting tactics. my question to you, the question of mike is this -- i thought that hillary had almost reached the point of untouchability and that wasn't going to last. but this guy is now -- is he going to pay the price? and who cares. >> are the republicans going to pay the price for his behavior? >> the republicans are going to pay the price. i don't think this resonates outside of the echo chamber. the echo chamber is a,rah, rah, rah. but with others it's going to produce a little sympathy for hillary clinton, if anything. >> but still, the republicans may not learn their lesson this time around. and hillary clinton is a great candidate in a lot of ways but also a candidate with problems and she is beatable by the right republican. >> she point out for the nirs time, i think it was her piece that we now know the rollout plan for the clin tons, the book tour. get a lot of positive ink about her role as secretary of state. really focusing on those four years. then apparently she's going to play a major role in the fall like dmix son did in '56. pick out the clinton favorites. peck out those ones, they win, she gets the record as well as bill with being in the winners. >> she did this in 1998 and 2000. >> schumer in new york. >> and others. she had a great record. a great won/loss record in 1998 and that helped her be a much more impressive senatorial candidate in 2000. >> i dependent know until this thing happened. >> you know why this is important, she hasn't campaigned in a long time. micks is always evolving, it's always different. the role she is played as secretary of state -- >> is it giving nice speeches where everybody cheers? or letting people ask you questions. it it's both. it's having a message and a vision. it's going elsewhere and it's doing it -- you know what, i'll book it -- doing it not just once a week, it's doing it every day over and over again. so she needs to get back up. >> that's always been my concern about any politician that leaves the field for eight years. you're not into the zeitgeist. every time you try a speech in the old days, nice try. >> that's why she goes out this fall. the conservative attack on hillary clinton, charles krauthammer insisted that hillary clinton's popularity is vastly overstated. let's watch charles. >> i think the democrats gross ly jor estimate how popular hillary is. she may be popular with them, but they assume -- >> she hasn't been out in the field. she hasn't been challenged in debate. she's a non -- she's not an officer holder right now. so she's not subject to slips. you go back over her record and you have somebody asking very simple correct and tough questions, number one, name a single achievement in your four years as secretary of state. >> if you need more clues, the right sees hillary as a threat, look at reince pribus' twitter account. tweeted about hillary no fewer than five times in the last 24 hours. her failures at the state department are evident. also the hard choices led to bad decisions and bad outcomes. plus, here's another tweet. where hillary clinton goes, the donor scandals will follow. and the state department says hillary clinton could have acted on boka haram sooner. should she be trusted with hard choices? that's the title of her upcoming memoir. >> charles krauthammer what is he up to? >> he's taking the benghazi cool aid. >> 66% ceiling. i have never seen a ceiling -- >> this is the point you made earlier. as secretary of state in that cabinet of rivals, team of rivals, her popularity just really went very high. now the question is, as she gets back into partisan politics, which a lot of americans tend not like, is she going to come down a bit? she will. the question is, how far? >> by the way, you're not answering the right question. you're a smart guy, but you're not answering it. charles didn't say she'll end up being unpopular. he says she's unpopular now and that's not true. >> look at the number, charles, look at the polls. she's ahead of everybody 10, 12, 14 points. that's been done to no effect when she ran for president. legislatuors don't usually do something. this morning, hillary clinton showed up on the view to bid farewell to barbara walters. the former secretary of state had advice for the entirery news -- i don't think we say newswoman, but it's on script here. how about correspondent. here we go. >> first of all, take some time off. i mean, really -- >> you're in no position to tell me. >> that's what i've been doing. >> take some time. you have a wealth of friends who adore you. spend time for them. take a real vacation. i go out with my dogs. my husband and i take long walks. just let down and enjoy. for a week at least. >> as long as you're here, let me ask you a question. the question i want to ask is are you going to run, but -- >> well, i am running around the park. >> that appearance did not hurt the former first lady. >> no. >> that's what she's got to do more of. >> politicians don't usually get to do that before they run. they usually do that if they lose. >> do we have time? >> quick. >> it makes me think about something. democrats always win women, but republicans win white women. watch that if she's the candidate. >> you may not be the last person to say that. white women will vote for hillary. coming up, i don't think they ale get together on it. you would think the tea partiers would have a good shot of winning the sflat and pushing it to the right, but it turns out they have a problem with the likely concerted republican winners. to too liberal by their standar standards. also, do you remember this by the republican gubernatorial debate, not just the establishment candidates, but the fringier ones as well. >> hey diddle diddle right up the middle. that's my style. >> you have your choice, folks. a cowboy, a curmudgeon, a biker or a normal guy. take your pick, thank you very much. >> normal wasn't good in that case. that was harley, harley brown. and how could we help but invite him on to "hardball." he's going to join us later in person. plus, speaking of people on the fringe, right wing so-called patriot groups promise 10 million to 30 million of them would deaccepted scend on the w right. about ten people more or less did show up. finally what we can expect now that the starter's gun has gone off way ahead of schedule in the presidential race. this is "hardball." nineteen years ago, we thought, "wow, how is there no way to tell the good from the bad?" so we gave people the power of the review. and now angie's list is revolutionizing local service again. you can easily buy and schedule services from top-rated providers. conveniently stay up to date on progress. and effortlessly turn your photos into finished projects with our snapfix app. visit angieslist.com today. ♪ take a look at this. the law's opponent spent an estimated $418 million on almto it on tv, versus $27 million of positive tv ads. that's a ratio of 15 to 1. we'll be right back. step seven point two one two. verify and lock. command is locked. five seconds. three, two, one. standing by for capture. the most innovative software on the planet... dragon is captured. is connecting today's leading companies to places beyond it. siemens. answers. and we're here in detroit ent michigan helping folks refinance their homes and save money. does it make sense to refinance right now? 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what's your fear? >> i'm actually more optimistic about it. i think we're defining the agenda. you're seeing even someone like thom tilus, he's come in our direction. he's run on that issue. we've reset the table. >> i think you have. you made that point, too. what was once called -- well, there's no more jake javitz. that wing of the party. no more arlen specters around. those republicans you called rinos are gone. there. >> a difference in temperament, style and strategy. not ideology. >> i think you guys, i think the reason there is a tea party is a very legitimate concern that the government is wasting money. they're spending money on things people can't -- it doesn't make sense to regular working people. regular working people have to balance their books. why can't the dan government do it. i get that. there's also this sort of maybe ethnic, maybe just nationalistic attitude about illegal immigration. i think they will go crazy if speaker boehner cuts a deal that basically offers some route to legal status legally. doesn't that bother you? >> i think it would be a huge mistake to pass dick durbin's bill and that's the mistake marco rubio made. i think the problem is we can't work with harry reid, we can't work with barack obama. frankly we don't trus them. >> don't trust them to enforce the law after they get them? >> no, i don't trust them to negotiate an honest bill. >> what do you suspect that they would do to undermine the effect of this immigration reform? everybody knows what it's about, especially in the southwestern part of the united states. everybody knows what it's about. too many immigrants, too fast, whatever. ethnic differences are obviously part of it. but here's the question, what are you afraid of? what deal are you afraid of? >> i'm afraid they won't fix the problem. the problem has to be, if you want people that want to come here honestly and work and follow the rules, you should fix prospectively the opportunity to do that. the senate bill doesn't do that. it focuses on who controls politically the people who came here illegally. the problem is if the house wrote the best immigration bill, one that i could support, it goes to conference, harry reid rolls them and we get a really bad bill. that's something we just can't do. >> how does that square with your reporting? >> it's real. >> they do the internal whip counts, the numbers aren't there. the numbers aren't even really there for a piecemeal bill that eric cantor wants to do. >> is there any chance that speaker boehner here -- objective reporting here, will boehner try something in june with this little window we hear about? or will he try something in a lame duck? >> much more likely in a lame duck. he knows he has to get the base energized in the midterms. >> would he pass a bill after the election is over? >> that's never been his style. i'm not going to rule it out as a surprise. >> are you worried about that? fast numbers like november 15. >> i think john boehner is a short-timer. i think he's looking at what he's going to do next in his life. >> you think that time down in florida meant something? >> that's the biggest rumor. boehner is maybe on his way out. but a lot of what boehner says when he says he's keeping it as an option, he's signalling to the wiz community in the republican party he's not ruling it out. >> you don't trust these guys, do you? >> well, why would you? >> they made a lot of promises and they haven't been willing to keep them. the tension between the grassroots and the gop establishment goes back to 1976 when ronald reagan took on a sitting president. >> how do you move away from same-sex marriage? you could have a religious difference with it, many religions do. not all. mine does. but people are gay. they're supposed to get married to other people of the opposite sex. what would that accomplish? you say your family values. what is a gay person supposed to do? marry someone in a fake marriage that doesn't involve physicality or that kind of love? what are you advertising? what do you want to happen here? >> i'm a libertarian, i don't understand why government, particularly the federal government is involved -- >> you don't mind states approving same-sex marriage. >> i don't want the government out of it. >> no, states. how do you do it without licenses. >> marriage is is a social institution. >> so you're saying you don't need a state license to get married? >> i don't think so. >> some people like rand paul are advocating that right now. >> get rid of marriage licenses? >> no, more of a libertarian slant within the party when it comes to -- >> i agree with that. but prayer in school. that's not libertarian. how do you support that? all kinds of religions there and you're going to read the king james version of the bible. >> i would love parents to decide how kids are educate popped. >> in public schools? >> why don't you give patients a choice? >> who decides which religion you are. >> if the parents don't like what's being taught in a public school, should they get a choice to send their kid to a parochial school, yes. now it's top down. >> so you're for school choice? >> fabsolutely. >> they talked about school prayer yesterday. >> you just slipped off, whether they should. reading christian bible readings. >> i do not want politics determining school curriculums. i want parents to. >> you don't want prayers in public school? >> i don't want government in school. >> you're having a libertarian argument. >> no, it's a political argument. up next, what happens when right wingers throw a party for 30 million people in washington and about 10, just 10 people show up. ♪ [ girl ] my mom, she makes underwater fans that are powered by the moon. ♪ she can print amazing things, right from her computer. 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>> recently, yeah, but my deal is up in a little under a year. >> 18 months, isn't it? >> technically that would be more accurate, but, you know -- >> i'll tell you what. if you have other offers, you have my permission to pursue them. but don't come to me again without talking to bernie first. i don't like it. it's cheap. okay? are we done? >> graham, i don't think you -- i would love it if you weren't here. >> joining me now, in a race to regain the pennsylvania district in the house she once representative. marjorie, thanks for joining us. you know, when i sthau movie, it struck me that this probably has a lot different feelings coming out from men or women. the idea of a woman asking for a pay raise, but accidentally walking with the publisher into the men's room and finding herself in that strange situation where she's outnumbered in the wrong gender role as she's sitting in there, it just struck me, that much really get to women who are professionals. damn it, they must have an attitude about this. and what does this say about pay equity? >> i agree with you. and this is -- the pay equity, we're still about -- we're going up at 70 cents on the dollar for white -- for the average. but african-americans are at 77% and latinas, or the hispanic community, the women are at 56 cents to the dollar. but more than that, women really -- they don't ask for raises. typically, it's true. women kind of feel, well, we're doing a good job, we should be recognized, thank you very much. women don't ask typically for raises. the other thing is we grow up still with stereotypical images. you know, these are the kinds of jobs that we'll be safe to go to, or that you should get -- although that's definitely changing. but once we get there, we find in the news business, many, many more women are on television. but still, the numbers in the executive offices, it doesn't -- it doesn't reflect the numbers that should be there. >> i've got to tell you, nbc is doing very good at that department. we have our top people all over the news area, all over the news business, generally find all the women in the top positions and all around us, with lots of vice presidents. but beth, i'm not here to flap for nbc. it doesn't need it. it has pay equity has something to do with her being sack popped. >> all of us who are professional women, i think this story has the legs that it does. it's something we all contend with scene a huge frustration for us. but on the other hand, let's keep our eyes on the prize, jill abramson, those of us in television news, we have a good job with good salaries. the real problem is for women who are in the lower classes, working women, working class people, they, too, are discriminated against in terms of salary. and it really brings down their family income, their household income. it hurts the economy. they have less money to spend. it's so engrained in the way that we do business in this country that nobody thinks abc the overall repercussions that it has on a family and the economy. >> i wonder how much this conversation is going to encourage more women, not that they weren't already there to vote for hillary when the time comes. today, hillary clinton addressed pay inequity. let's listen in. you respond to this marjorie. >> mothers are now the primary or soul breadwinners in nearly 40% of all families. this single mom lives in our vast metro sprawl, traveling long distances every day to work a low wage job she's lucky to have. many other young people in her neighborhood are still looking. she works hard but she knows that her male co-workers tend to make more than she does. it's demeaning and demoralizing and it shortchanges her whole family. >> her whole family. marjorie, your reaction to that? >> and it's shortsighted. if we are going to make the next steps, what we have to do is we've got to grow our way out of this economic situation. when did we last do it? we did it in '93, frankly. when 24 million new jobs grew in the '90s after the clinton budget passed. that's where we have to -- that's where we strong -- and we have to figure out what it means to grow the economy with women. we've got to make sure there's transportation, job training, that there's day care. and we know that when we do that, the middle class grows. and when the middle class grow, more money is spent. >> i like my wife making more money. why wouldn't anyone want their space to make more money? there's always a little rivalry theoretically, but when it comes to the paycheck, it all adds to the family income. you know, it would seem, why aren't men joining in this fight to help women get more money? >> there's no transparency around what people make. nobody knows what anybody sitting next to them is making. businesses make sure that those kinds of discussions don't happen. so we don't really know how to -- we don't know how to negotiate because we don't know what anybody sitting around us is making. >> did you ever know what your dad was making? i never knew what my dad -- i can't imagine that coming up in the house. >> i would ask and they would not tell me. >> it was off the record. good luck right there. i would be up there voting for you, of course. if i was up there now. >> you would have such a good time, chris. northeast, i mean, you would be -- you would such a good time. we're in there. >> marjorie, i ran for that seat 30 years ago. >> wow. >> thank you very much. good luck to you. beth, thank you very much for coming on from our network. the wild gubernatorial debate in idaho. one of the candidates said the race is between a cowboy, a curmudgeon, a biker and a normal guy, the moral guy being the odd man out. this is "hardball" a place for politics. >> i don't like political correctness. can i say this? it sucks. it's bondage. and i'm about as politically correct as your proverbial turd in a punch bowl. and i'm proud of it. you, my friend are a master of diversification. who would have thought three cheese lasagna would go with chocolate cake and ceviche? 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it sucks. it is bondage. >> changed the pace of it this friday evening. joining us now, for his national television debut, the man himself, harley brown. here is your chance to sound off. i want to know what you don't like about this country, what you'd like to fix, if you get elected president which i understand is your ultimate goal. >> my daddy and his generation won world war ii, gave us a free world. us baby boomers, man, we had the best motorcycles, best cars, best cartoons, best tv shows and by far the best music, ram a lamb a ding dong, rock and roll is king. we have a national vet wound up into the stratus fear, $17 trillion. my grandson was born a couple months ago, his share of it is $55,000. i don't like that. >> okay, you're president of the united states tomorrow morning. you're sworn in. what are you going to get rid of? what government programs? >> the commies. two-thirds of federal government is social programs. where in the constitution does it say we have to give all this money out to everybody, provide health care to everybody. i would give a swag, a scientific wild ass guess that 90% of what the feds do is as unconstitutional as the communist manifesto. where does it say we have to have department of labor, department of education, department of energy, and even two of my favorites, the va and nasa. but the end run around that, put them under the air force, keep them going. but do it under the war department, which is authorized in article 1, section 8, as a function of we the people and the states who create it. >> where is the air force in the constitution? >> the army air corp. >> where is that in the constitution? 1789, the constitution, where was the air force. >> all right, put it back under the army air corp, the b-17s that worked over nazi germany. i wouldn't mind having the army air corp again. >> what do you make of the language in the constitution in the preamble that says we should promote the public welfare of the country? what did they mean by promote the public welfare? you say it is not in the constitution. what does that mean? >> that word welfare has been contorted out of shape and the liberals interpret it as giving money out to everybody that needs it or wants it, and that's not the way the original intent was. >> you mean the way you contort an army out of shape to include an air force? >> a few things changed in the late '40s. ever since world war ii, this country, like these piis ant wars, vietnam, the gulf, you declare war, wipe out your enemies, period. that's the way i read it. >> you think we should have killed all the north vietnamese? >> hell yeah. first declare war, then use every weapon we have to annihilate the enemies. never send a marine when you can send a bullet and send the biggest bullet you got. >> harley, take a minute, list politicians in your lifetime you respect, presidents going backwards, the last president you respected, going backwards. tell me who you liked in american history positively? >> okay, i liked reagan, i liked general eisenhower. i admire harry truman for having the georgia union tight to push the button. i like ulysses s. grant, george washington, abraham lincoln, arguably the best presidents we had. teddy roosevelt, booey. however he interpreted the presidential powers. >> you're on the ballot. see what people think of your candidacy. we will be right back after this. that are powered by the moon. ♪ she can print amazing things, right from her computer. 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mcdonnell and his wife. the jury is made up of four women and eight men. the senate is expected to vote on the nomination of robert mcdonald to be the next secretary of on the next secret veteran affairs. to fix the troubled agency. later, the rnc will hold their fire harry reid rally on capitol hill and aimed at getting voters to elect republicans to the senate in the upcoming mid terms. that is going to do it. a tuesday edition of "way too early." "morning joe" starts right now. ♪ >> flares have turned night into borrowed daylight in the skies over the gaza strip. >> today was supposed to be a cease-fire it didn't work. >> intense fighting prevented investigators reaching the crash site of mh-17 for the second day running. >> much more substantial sanctions will come into place across broad sectors of the russian economy. >> two americans are fighting a for their lives. >> the spread of a dangerous illness like ebola is no longer somebody else's progress. >> now three-month examination by "the new york times" clams that governor cuomo's office deeply compromised the panel's work. >> if you had watched the movie to the end, the name of the movie would have been "independence." you named it "interference." >> donald sterling lost again today. >> go clippers! >> a victorious shelly sterling emerged from the courtroom and she can now move ahead with her plans to sell the los angeles clippers. >> stephen a. smith addressing the fire storm he triggered with his choice of words. >> to say what i said was accomplish is an understatement. >> you hit somebody, they hit you back. don't be surprised! >> oh, we will get to that. that is a big debate here. good morning, everyone. it's tuesday, july 29th. welcome to "morning joe." with us on set senior political editor and white house correspondent for the huffington post is sam stein, sitting next to willie. hi, willie. managing editor for the news website bobby ghosh and pulitzer prize winning editor and with the "the washington post," eugene robinson. you know what i'm talking about whoopi goldberg and stephen a. smith controversy. they were fighting about this yesterday because of comments made. have you been following that? >> i heard about it. i didn't get to see it but i look forward to it. >> we will lay it all out but it's definitely one of the old debates renewed in a very different way. we begin this morning in the middle east where the crisis between israeli and hamas is now in its fourth week and the hopes for a resolution appear to be dwindling. last night air strikes lit up the sky in the center of gaza city as israeli hit key hamas locations. the targets including a tv station and the home of one of the group's top leaders. the strikes came as israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu delivered a national tv address. he warned of an extended conflict and said, quote, there is no war more just than this. israeli and hamas are trading blame for an attack that left nine palestinian children dead and dozens injured. palestinian officials say israeli air strikes hit a park as children were playing on swings. israeli, however, says militants in gaza fired the rockets which failed to reach the intended targets and that brings the death toll to more than 1,100 palestinians, according to officials there. 53 israeli soldiers have been killed, including four yesterday, as well as three civilians in israeli. joining us no from you gaza nbc news foreign correspondent ayman mohyeldin. >> reporter: last night was a marked difference in terms of where we are here in gaza city. it's a scene we have seen throughout other parts of gaza but yesterday the fighting arrived in gaza city and 35,000 people live here. late flares were dropped early in the evening 3:00 p.m. local time and paved the way for a series of intense shelling that targeted, among other things, the gaza port, the house of hamas leader here in gaza, and others. there are also this morning, disturbing news about the humanitarian situation here according to the spokesperson who is in charge of the gaza electrical power tank, two fuel tanks belonging to that tank were hit and caught on fire and still burning well into the hours of this afternoon. as a result of that now, they say the representatives at the power plant a humanitarian disaster is going to unfold here. 1.8 million who depend on all types of electricity for water, sanitation, and other subinfrastructure needs are now wa without power and no place to store the fuel burning for the last couple of hours. a sense to what the palestinians are waking up to this morning. the death toll continues to find. along the front lines, there is still fighting taking place. hamas militants were able to, yesterday, fire at israeli soldiers and infiltrate across the border into israeli with some of these tunnels, so it shows you that the situation here is still very tense to say the least. mika? >> ayman, it's willie. good to see you this morning. is there any changing pressure over the last four weeks inside among palestinians about what they should be doing here in terms of stepping back? as these civilian casualties mount, as they see women and children being carried into hospital and many of them dead and some of them wounded. have they thought twice now and said maybe we should step back from this or are they only emboldened by the ongoing attacks from israeli? >> reporter: here it's important to make the distinction between hamas and palestinian factions and ordinary palestinian people who are bearing the brunt of this. when you speak to ordinary palestinians they feel they are reaching a point of desperation. they feel the situation is very much out of their hands. the political factions and the military wings of these political factions still remain very defiant and emboldened and they say their backs up against the war and they have nothing to lose and living a life under siege the past seven years and for them this is now about fighting until the end and that end is a struggle for them and they want to continue the struggle to get the international community for once and for all live the siege and that is how they are portraying it and how a lot of the palestinian factions and representatives we are speaking to are saying that is what this struggle is about. >> ayman, thank you. on capitol hill, kirsten gillibrand and ted cruz came together and announced a resolution criticizing using civilians. the israeli press is pushing a cease-fire that the reports claim would be more beneficial to hamas. secretary kerry is standing by his actions. >> make no mistake, when the people of israeli are rushing to bomb shelters, when innocent israeli and palestinian teenagers are abducted and murdered, when hundreds of innocent civilians have lost their lives, i will, and we will make no apologies for our actions. in a column that you entitled kerry's gaza blunder. in part you write this. secretary of state john kerry has made a significant mistake how he is pursuing a gaza cease-fire and not surprising he has upset both the israelis and some moderate palestinians. kerry's error has been to put so much emphasis on achieving a quick halt to the bloodshed that he has solidified the role of hamas, the unpopular islamist group that leads gaza, along with the two hard line nations that and in the process he has undercut not only the israelis but the egyptians and the fatah movement that runs the palestinian authority all of which want to see an end to hamas rule in gaza. david ignatius, i see what you're saying and i'm wondering how it's possible to blunder something that has been devolving for decades. >> the gaza mess is not john kerry's fault but it's a tragedy that has been going on as you say for so many years. i think the mistake kerry made in seeking a cease-fire quickly in this intractable conflict without thinking about a pathway for the future so that the situation in gaza wouldn't simply revert to the status quo which we see means another war and another round of misery two years, three years ahead. kerry's first effort was with egypt when he got to the middle east, he tried to use egyptian mediation to broker a cease-fire and that didn't work. so he then turned away from the egyptians who were right next to gaza who are angry at hamas, almost as angry as israeli itself is, and turn to the hamas friends in turkey and in qatar and try to use them as the mediamea meadmea mediators for the cease-fire. he then upset palestinians and moderate palestinians and others in the region who thought he was enfranchising the region who were obstacles to peace. if one thing i hope secretary kerry can do is get back on the track of finding a more stable and permanent transition to a future where hamas is not the only dominant force in gaza. >> we are bringing this back to you. but, bobby, jump in and take it to david. when you listen to leaders on all sides of this conflict, it doesn't sound like there is a lot of room for negotiation. first of all, i'm not sure what you would hold off any call for a cease-fire for because they are not stopping and they are not pulling back. rhetoric especially on the side, i'm sorry, of benjamin netanyahu seems to get tougher and tougher every day. having said that, what do you think is possible at this point? >> nothing until the shooting stops. until the shooting stops, nothing is possible. i think that explains kerry's sort of sense of urgency. it's not like this was his first attempt as david pointed out. he did try to work through the egyptians. that did not work. the egyptians no longer under general, no longer have the flun influence in gaza they used to. the position is now so small it might as well not exist. so it's unlikely that you're going to get a immediate if egypt is a mediator. i can see the sense in trying to work through them. obviously, there was something inarticulate in the way kerry presented his proposal, but the response from egypt has been beyond caustic and so counterproductive. this is a guy trying to solve a problem. there is a global uproar. president obama called netanyahu two days ago and called for immediate cease-fire, basically, the same thing kerry is saying. stop the shooting now. instead the israeli officials speaking many of them speaking off the record or speaking without attribution are mounting pile on top of john kerry who wants to just be ahead. >> it's difficult for americans to accept something is beyond their reach, betweut isn't it possible this is a conflict, america despite its great power cannot exert its influence without two parties who want to come to the table and speak to each other? >> if history proves this is not a conflict that american can just solve. my view is -- and this is a view that has evolved over the years -- it's just better to be involved than not involved. just saying you guys are crazy, call us when you're ready to talk seriously, both of you. you know, that's a tempting position but, in fact, that doesn't work. that tends to make things worse. i think we need to be involved. my question for david ignatius, turkey is a nato member, a major country. so why not work through turkey to try to resolve this, especially given, as bobby pointed out, the lack of influence that egypt has right now? of course, it used to under the muslim brotherhood but it certainly doesn't now. so why not go to a government like that of turkey to try to work something out with hamas? >> well, it's a reasonable question. obviously, one that secretary kerry thought. if turkey could create working with the u.s., a stable situation in gaza, if turkey could deliver negotiators among the gazan within hamas or any other faction that could negotiate the kind of cease-fire and longer term arrangements for gaza that would lead to stability, i would have no quarrel with it but there is no evidence that is possible. what is unfortunate here is that in april, secretary kerry recognized that in the agreement between fatah, the more moderate palestinian faction, and hamas, for fatah and the palestinian authority to take control in gaza, which they agreed to do, was the opportunity to negotiate something longer lasting. i think my biggest regret, gene, is secretary kerry turned away from that sensible longer term program that would actually get at what is wrong and went for the very short term 24-hour cease-fire which, as we have seen, is falling apart because there isn't a structure yet that can create stability. >> okay. we are going to get to the other crisis, foreign policy crisis, the downing of malaysia airlines flight 17 and russia now pushing back against sanctions and saying it will only embolden in a moment. i want to get to domestic politic as well. a follow-up to a story we talked about yesterday. new york governor andrew cuomo is pushing back hard against allegations his office interfered with a political ethics commission one he put in place and stems from a front page article last week in "the new york times" which alleges cuomo's office squashed certain subpoenas that would have looked into the governor's own dealings. the governor emphatically denies this and saying no proof. one to a media firm connected to new york's democratic party. now one of the firm's three co-chairs at the center of the "times" story fitzpatrick is claiming that the panel was, indeed independent. he says, quote, the bottom line is that nobody interfered with me or my co-chairs. governor cuomo quick to praise the press conference yesterday in a news conference in buffalo. >> when you look at the facts, this moreland commission performed exactly the function they were supposed to perform. we passed a law that happen brought historic reform to the state. it was an overwhelming success and the commissioners have not gotten the credit that they deserve. independent. they were talking to people from the second floor. of course, they were. of course they were and they were talking to people from the senate and the assembly and the good government groups. it's not -- independence is will never talk to anyone, it's that they exercised their independent judgment. >> but despite yesterday's denials, e-mails obtained by "the times" showed, quote, mr. fitzpatrick had privatelily expressed frustration with meddling by the governor's office and cuomo needs to understand this is an independent commission and needs to be treated as such. yesterday, the governor disputed "the times" characterization of the remarks. >> read it again. >> the second floor needs to understand this is an independent commission and needs to be treated as such. >> okay. so what he is saying, at some point in time, is larry is having a conversation with him and larry is advocating a point. that is true. follow the movie to the conclusion. and what does chairman fitzpatrick say? no. resoundingly, no. what does the chairman's actions show? no. resoundingly, no! because he rejected the request! the rejection is ioion is ipso statement of independence because he said no. and he could, and he did. if you had watched the movie to the end, the name of the movie would have been "independence." you named it "inference." >> all right. so, sam, i special to governor cuomo. most of it was off the record last night about this because he saw our very heated conversation here on the show. also, we were sort of having a hard time getting through the quote, his very defensive quote about the commission that he created. but he says while "the times" is making a conclusion, that doesn't necessarily say it's true and that they have gone too far in their conclusion. while it may look like you can make a connection, you actually can't. and even the members of the panel say that the commission was independent. anybody? >> i mean, the question, i guess, is how much influence can you exert without the panel actually responding to your influence and does that matter? cuomo is saying the panel was ultimately independent because they said no to the request but the request was still made and influencing meddling in its own right. >> why can't a request be made? >> it depends how you want to -- do you want the commission to be completely independent from the other parts of the government? and i think when you establish, most people when they establish an ethics commission, yeah, you don't want anybody meddling in their influences and you want them to investigate and not have any contact with the outside world. boom. but cuomo is saying there is a gray area and that they do need to talk to other elements of government and they need to talk to other officials to do their work. i think part of the problem is cuomo has he is a secretive governor the entire time and now he is speaking out, people have a tough time sort of reconciling -- >> i will say my own personal, i would like -- i would love for him to come on. it's one thing to do a press conference really far away. i understand. we talked about the different reasons why he doesn't really want to do a lot of interviews right now. but i'm wondering if he should. you know? and it would help a lot because it seems incredibly defensive. sort of pushing back saying, don't you understand what this looks like? >> this is someone who has tried to control the narrative around him from day one. and i think doing an interview in this form sort of counterintuitive everything he has done as governor and it shows. this is someone who did interfere in the broadest sense of the world in the ethics commission and that is someone who likes to have a control of the environs around him. >> governor cuomo came into the office i'm going to clean up albany and new york and said it over and over and over again and that was the whole impetus for his campaign. now if he can clean up albany unless it pertains to him is what the problem is. gene, you read through "the new york times" piece this morning. his office says to "the times" a patient staffed by the executive cannot investigate the executive. so then "the new york times" asked governor cuomo about that apparent contradiction there. he said i never said it couldn't investigate me. see, facts matter, even for "the new york times." it appears his own office can't quite get the story straight. >> yeah. it's very confusing. and one wondering about, you know, that -- the question you were jug talking about, why is governor cuomo, why is his style so secretive and why is everything so behind closed doors? especially the workings of a commission that is supposed to clean up all of the corruption and problems in albany. you would think that at least he would be more forthcoming and sort of open about -- about how this is working, what he is trying to accomplish and how he is doing it, and i think that just generates more suspicion and makes people wonder what this is really about. >> you know, the secretiveness, i think, comes off what appears to be a reticence to be tv interviews because potentially he might not want to get involved in the presidential politics conversation. 2016 might be waiting or ready for hillary, depending on where he has been. you know what? i think he should do an interview on this. i told him that. i really do. i think that this is taking a life of its own. still ahead on "morning joe," everything you wanted to know about richard nixon, not pertaining to watergate. historian douglas brinkley is here with thousands of hours of audio from the 37th president. a decisive ruling in donald sterling's bid to block the sale of the l.a. clippers but is it finally enough to stop the defiant owner? and espn stephen a. smith and his apology for his controversial comments on domestic violence which sent the ladies of "the view" especially whoopi goldberg into a very provocative and heated discussion. first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> mika, did you see the pictures from outside of boston yesterday? a tornado? >> oh, my gosh. yeah. >> we had a tornado in connecticut two days ago and then yesterday up there outside of boston. this is very rare. this was actually near the coast. only about 10 to 15 miles north of downtown boston. there was 120-mile-per-hour winds and ef-2 tornado went right through this highly populated industrial area and fortunately no injuries. can you imagine that? look at the huge trees that came down. a picturesque picture in los angeles. you can see a tornado twisting there but it stayed harmlessly over the open fields. yesterday in new england wind damage and a lot of cleanup and trees down. storm system that produced a tornado is gone. so the lower humidity has moved it. cooler temperatures. it's going to be an absolutely gorgeous day today and you can feel it outside. probably didn't need your air-conditioning last night. many areas top out to the low 70s to the 80s for a high. this picture just out from yosemite national park. a small fire formed last night and now, all of a sudden, it's starting to spread and look at that active fire in yosemite national park. we will watch that today. again, it's a small fire now. but potential there is to grow. of course, the california drought, everyone knows how dry it is. the low humidity is not just in the northeast. appreciate it this morning. little rock, memphis, all the way through atlanta, a gorgeous day and it's like early fall throughout much of the country and that includes new york city. what a gorgeous day! lunch outside! light jacket, maybe even for some heading out the door this morning in july! you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. ♪ after nine days i let the horse run free because the desert had turned to sea ♪ but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. the summer of this.mmer. the summer that summers from here on will be compared to. where memories will be forged into the sand. and then hung on a wall for years to come. get out there, with over 50,000 hotels at $150 dollars or less. expedia. find yours. now, that's progressive. time now to take a look at the morning papers. we will start with the l.a. times. the $2 billion sale of the los angeles clippers to former microsoft ceo steve ballmer will go through after a judge ruled against team owner donald sterling yesterday. the court sided with shelly sterling saying she had negotiated a good deal for the clippers and had the authority to take away her husband's control of the family trust. doing so after doctors determined he was mentally unfit to manage his affairs. under the ruling, donald sterling can't delay the sale from going forward as he appeals the case. >> poor donald sterling. only gets $2 billion. >> it's almost over. "the washington post" police in washington, d.c. are scrambling to deal with a new ruling that lifted the ban on carrying legally registered handguns in the nation's capital and comes after a federal judge ruled the district ban on firearms possession in public is unconstitutional. they are wanting to appeal to let new gun carry regulations. gene robinson, how is this playing in d.c.? >> not well at all. you know, i haven't seen anybody walking around, you know, strapped the last day or so. but, you know, the crazy thing is that people in the district of columbia overwhelmingly want gun control and they support gun control. they don't want people, you know, owning handguns, much less carrying them around in the street, however, congress and the courts are essentially saying, no, go ahead, shoot it out. >> let's go to the richard times dispatch. the fourth circuit appeals court struck down virginia's ban on same sexy marria-sex marriage. as other states are in the fourth circuit. it does not have a direct impact on gay marriage in other states the attorney general in north carolina says it means the ban will eventually be struck down. a new studied finds that a third of americans delinquent in debt and on the ground $5,200. that includes credit card bills and medical bills and child support. southern states have the largest number of people who are late on their bills. that includes alabama, florida, texas, and out west in nevada. "the san francisco chronicle" two men are accused of squating in a palm springs california condo they found on a website. the bothers had been living in the condo for over a month and refused to leave, despite only paying for 30 days. since the brothers had been living in the condo for more than 30 days, they are protected by california's tenant laws but that is not the only problem they are having on the web. the called air b&b squatters raised $40,000 on kick-starter for a video game that appears to have been abandoned. angry owners were redirected to another game's kick-starter play looking to raise another $25,000. >> what does that mean? >> these guys are taking advantage of every internet function out there. they are living for free and they are raising known a game that apparently doesn't exist. kind of brilliant. >> the california -- >> the tenant law? it serves a purpose but not that purpose. >> so they can't leave. >> i don't know what the hell is going on in california but that is histoysterical. >> this is a movie by the people who made "pineapple express." coming up following a headline grabbing, whoopi goldberg jumps to stephen a. smith's defense. we will also explain what this has to do with baseball. oh, my! sports is next. i think that is sports. ♪ we're changing the way we do business, with startup ny. we've created tax free zones throughout the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax. which means more growth for your business, and more jobs. it's not just business as usual. see how new york can help your business grow, at startup.ny.gov fancy feast broths. they're irresistabowl... completely unbelievabowl... totally delectabowl. real silky smooth or creamy broths. everything she's been waiting for. carefully crafted with real seafood, real veggies, and never any by-products or fillers. wow! being a cat just got more enjoyabowl. fancy feast broths. wow served daily. when laquinta.com sends him a ready for you alert the second his room is ready, ya know what salesman alan ames becomes? i think the numbers speak for themselves. i'm sold! a "selling machine!" ready for you alert, only at lq.com. ♪ i might have to close my eyes because i think i'm going to glinflinch if i see the ball coming. does that look like a good spot? >> yeah, sure. >> ah! >> are you all right? >> oh! >> i could hear that one whipping by me. >> what an off day. >> yes! >> terrible! >> that is the best picture in baseball right there. clayton kershaw of the l.a. dodgers are jimmy kimmel playing a little game last night. the nfl thought it had moved on from ray rice domestic violence arrest when he was suspended for two games for his alleged striking of his then fiancee in a casino early this year. mitchell beedle making these comments after saying this. >> we also have to make sure that we learn as much as we can about elements of provocation. not there is real provocation but the elements of provocation. you got to make sure you address it because what we got to do is do what we can to try to prevent the situation from happening in in any way. >> so yesterday, stephen a. smith offered an apology. >> my words came across that it is somehow it is a woman's fault. this was not my intent and not what i was trying to say. yet the failure to clearly articulate something different lies squarely on my shoulders. to say what i actually said was foolish is an understatement. to say i was wrong is obvious. to apologize, to say i'm sorry doesn't do the matter its problem justice, to be quite honestly but i do sincerely apologize. >> all of this got the ladies of "the view" talking leading to this passionate exchange between whoopi goldberg and her co-host. >> i want to say for a man hitting a woman, unless his life is in jeopardy. >> i'm sorry. >> he knocked her out. he knocked her out cold. >> i'm sorry. if you hit somebody, you cannot be sure you are not going to get hit back. you have to teach women, do not live with this idea that men have the chivalry thing still with them. don't assume that that is still in place. >> right. >> so don't be surprised if you hit a man and he hits you back! you don't hit -- >> use it. >> listen. you hit somebody, they hit you back. don't be surprised. >> wow. you know, i think it could devolve no a really bad conversation that could get incredibly bad reaction because, obviously, what stephen a. smith said got an incredibly huge, terrible reaction which led to his apology, which i will just say i think it completely outweighs exactly what he said. he was trying to to have a constructive conversation but the bottom line is, unfortunately, there is an unequivocal truth. men may not hit women in any circumstance. it is hard to have an honest conversation in saying that. but i think what whoopi said had value too. i do. >> i think you just don't hit a woman, period. you stop. >> that's a given. you think stephen smith didn't know that? i just think, you know, he got -- >> his comments underscored a -- >> to be curious and have a conversation. >> but if it's a steadfast rule. >> he shouldn't have used, in my view, the word provocation was a poor choice of words. >> does anybody want to try to have this conversation? >> maybe what he was trying to say everybody stop hitting everybody else or something else. but provocation is a provocation. >> but to have this conversation beyond a man should not hit a woman is impossible to have without a backlash. >> because there is no situation in which you can say a woman has put this man in a place where he need to strike back. no such situation exists, short of maybe the woman threatening the man's life. >> of course. >> i think if that is the basis of the conversation, then there is really not much to talk about, to be honest with you. >> it's not just men hitting women. i got into a fair number of scraps when i was a kid. my father and teachers always said afterwards, you don't hit anybody. you walk away. >> men don't hit women and women don't hit men. you don't hit anybody. you leave it there. >> i would say it's one thing to defend yourself if a man or woman is coming at you. if you're ray rice and you can bench press 400 pounds and you can suppress the woman and you don't need to knock her out. >> the big problem here is the two-game suspension for ray rice which seems so lenient compared to anybody else. >> you suspend him for far more games than other people were suspended for their -- so. >> all right. let's go to japan on a slightly different note. an actress with a background in martial arts breaks boxes with her head before throwing out the ceremonial pitch. >> what is that? 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>> yes, he is. the thing that i wanted to look at was the anthropology of the early state. we have had iowa and hamp as the early primary states for a long time but in case of terry branstad the long time governor has been running the state on and off since the '80s it is a study of incredible exhulltation how wonderful of a person he is and people falling all over themselves how great terry branstad is. >> who are the worst defenders? >> well, everyone. >> everyone? >> it's one oof another. i spent a day with chris christie there last week in iowa and he -- chris christie, it was actually the day of the ground invasion of gaza. it was also the day, i think the day after the plane went down in ukraine. and mr. tell it like it is, tough talking new jersey governor, you were expecting he was going to weigh in on the subject but, no, no. he was very concerned, mostly about talking about how great terry branstad is and how much of a legend he is and also how inspired he has been by the governor of iowa. >> you point out, mark, christie, perry and jindal have all passed through iowa this year. is there any indication or any evidence that all this butt kissing helps? helps a would-be presidential candidate? does it work to go in a couple of years out and kind of make your way across the state? >> i think, obviously, you need to pay attention to iowa if you want to do well in iowa or new hampshire. i think what is interesting and new now it's starting two, three, years out. >> yeah. >> it used to be there was an off-season. it's like so much in american life now. you see christmas decorations on sale in the spring. you see people lobbying for the oscars the week after the academy awards ended the year before. there is really no off-season and that certainly has proven true in presidential politics also. >> gene? >> mark, is there any indication or did you see any that people in iowa are getting sick of all of this? do they really accept that chris christie is actually there for the cows? >> you mean he is not? >> i think they would get fed up with all of this stuff. >> i think on the contrary, i think they love it. i think from a strictly economic standpoint it's probably great for the state. a lot of national media comes through. it's fun for them. i don't think there is any major downside, although i think it's important we tell it like it is, which is that, look. i mean, this is not necessarily a natural, you know, recitation of the rhythm of american life, yet this is part of the excess that has taken hold in so many areas. >> but, i mean, it's not full-proof obviously, because mike huckabee won in 2008 and rick santorum run in 2012 and neither ended up as president, at least as far as i can tell. >> you're wrong, sam. >> oh. >> in iowa, there are actually pictures of mike huckabee and rick santorum as our president. it can cut both ways like anything. barack obama would not be president today if it weren't for iowa so you don't know what impact it will have. >> it is really bizarre. mark is right. why we have a system because we all go to iowa. >> you can write this state. >> let's have a rotation of states. >> you should. >> just do one for every state. can you do one for every single state capitol? 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claims that governor cuomo's office deeply compromised the panel's work. >> if you had watched the movie to the end, the name of the movie would have been "independence." you named it "interference." >> we will get to that story in a moment. welcome back to "morning joe." joining us now from washington, nbc chief foreign affairs correspondent and host of "andrea mitchell reports" andrea mitchell. senior editor at the "the new republic" julia yanfey. good to have you both with us. the west increasing pressure on vladimir putin. president obama and leaders of several european countries agreed to a sweeping new set of sanctions. they will target defense, energy, and financial industries in russia. moscow, however, remains defiant. the country's foreign minister downplayed the impact of the sanctions and warned they will would only make russia stronger and more independent. in another sign of stepped-up tensions, moscow is now accused of violating a 1987 nuclear missile treaty by testing cruise missiles as early as 2008. u.s. officials say president obama addressed the issue in a letter to putin, calling it a, quote, very serious matter. meanwhile, ukrainian investigators say flight 17's black box has revealed a massive explosive decompression brought down the jet and the shrapnel destroyed the plane. u.s. forces are making their way toward the crash site after another fighting with russian rebels. kiev says they gained controlled of two towns in eastern ukraine and more battles under way. the clashes are being blamed for 50 deaths between the two sides and 800 civilians have been killed there since mid april. the newest human rights chief is calling for a full investigation who shot down flight 17, adding that it may be considered a war crime. andrea, i want to start with you here. set the scene for us, first, in terms of russia's response, at least in their words, to the sanctions. >> well, russia will be tough rhetorically and doesn't mean the sanctions won't hurt. i want to look at the details of these sanctions when they are finally explained to all of us later today, because up until now, they have been giving france a pass, a waiver for arm sales that were already agreed to. any time you grandfather arm sales to russia, that is a big loophole in these sanctions. in any case, it is described to me as the toughest set of sanctions yet and it's clearly getting russia's attention. the fact is that europe is pretty organized now by the president and in sync with the united states because russia has been firing live artillery across the border. there is plenty of evidence of that. plus marbling its forces along the border to move more sophisticated efforts into the milit militia. that is being more aggressive. >> julie, conventional wisdom the last week or so that european countries were hesitant to go along with tougher sanctions because of the impact the sanctions might have on their own economies. it looks like europe, at least for now, has moved past that? >> that's right. the fact of the matter is that, you know, it's a two-way street and, you know, as much as europe is dependent on russia for certain things, like energy, russia is dependent upon europe. it gets 40% of its food and medicine from europe. so it goes both ways. so if one party shuts off -- basically, the consensus is also the russian economy would crumble a lot faster and much more devastating fashion than the european economy would. >> where is this going to go? what is the strongest measure that can be taken on the part of europe to unequivocally depend what is happening. >> it is a big issue and i think what europe is scared of is the kind of the wildcard that is putin's behavior. he has shown time and again that he can do really unpredictable things. things that, you know, will hurt his opponent but also hurt him, but he decides it's worth the pain. so i think what europe is scared of is that russia will turn off the energy tap, which, you know, for some european countries, they get as little as 10% of their energy from russia. some eu countries get as much as 100 of their energy from russia so that would really hurt. >> the netherlands which is most severely affected by the tragedy of the malaysian airliner and the horrible impact on the dutch. the netherlands their pension funds are all tied up in shell and other major corporations so they are going to take a huge hit from this from whatever sanctions do take place. it's also finance. it's the banking in the uk. the brits have been tough about this but when putin was first flexing his muscles toward crimea everybody was caving in because they are integrated they are with russia economically. >> bobby, the other sort of level of thinking in this is a point you just brought up and that is if russia gives more sophisticated weapons to the rebels, do we do the same for the ukrainian military and start jumping in that way? >> if russia has gone to the point where it's shelling across the border in support of the rebels, then what -- how can we make sure the ukrainian military doesn't get completely pounded on this? andrea, has there been any discussion on that in d.c.? >> more of the risks. >> yeah. there is real concern about the risks because there have been principally republicans on the hill, the usual hard-line conservative arms committee folks like mccain and graham who have been saying why aren't we arming the ukrainians. oerds is the fear at the pentagon and elsewhere. once you give the sophisticated weapons to the ukraine government, you'll have the same possible tragic result that you had the separatists. they are not really ready to run these things that you're thenes situation. the best thing help with the ukrainians on the intelligence and see where the weapons are on the opposition side. the analysis is that russia has escalated so dramatically in the last couple of weeks because the kiev government was making progress against the separatists in eastern ukraine and gaining territory and that is why the fighting. the fighting was even as keir simmons was showing us yesterday, they were fighting right around the crash site. >> julie, there is a level of sanctions the west and the world community could do to take putin to pause and step back. up until now the sanctions have only emboldened him and allowed to say to his own people it's us against the world. >> i don't think it's -- in a certain sense, it has stopped him from doing certain things. you know, there are people in moscow who say that for a period of about four days in april, russian troops were poised to go across the border into ukraine and that it was because of sanctions that he didn't give them the order to go across the border. publicly, though, the problem with sanctions also is the more you sanction vladimir putin, the less he can actually give you what you want. because of all the image that he has portrayed in russia for the last, you know, what, 14 years he is standing up to the west. the more the west pressures him to do something, the less likely he is to do it. so unless there is kind of something happening behind the scenes where they are offering putin an off ramp where he can, you know, tout something at home as a win, as something that he was able to bring home, and to get out of it, you know, on his terms and to save face, i don't think we are going to see much movement on the russian side. >> julie ioffe, thank you very much. we turn to the middle east. the crisis between israeli and hamas in its fourth week. hopes for a resolution app to be dwindling. israeli hit key hamas locations overnight. the targets including hamas tv station and the home of one of the group's top leaders. the strikes came as israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu delivered a national tv address. he warned of an extended conflict and said, quote, there is no war more just than this. israeli and hamas are trading blame for an attack that left nine palestinian children dead and dozens injured. palestinian officials say israeli air strikes hit a park as children were playing on swings. israeli, however, says militants in gaza fired the rockets which failed to reach the intended targets and that brings the death toll to more than 1,100 palestinians, according to officials there. 53 israeli soldiers have been killed, including four yesterday, as well as three civilians in israeli. secretary of state john kerry is facing criticism now in the israeli press for pushing a cease-fire that reports claim would be more beneficial to hamas. secretary kerry is standing by its actions. >> make no mistake, when the people of israeli are rushing to bomb shelters, when innocent israeli and palestinian teenagers are abducted and murdered, when hundreds of innocent civilians have lost their lives, i will, and we will make no apologies for our engagement. >> andrea, we had had a discussion with david ignatius who has a pretty blistering piece on john kerry. >> he did. >> yeah. there is sort of the concept that he put on the table about sort of this giving hamas kind of more of a platform. but i have to say i'm not sure what anyone can do at this point. that would be productive when you hear what all three -- leaders on all sides of this are saying. >> well, what kerry was trying to do with the support and sort of alliance of ban ki-moon and the u.n. and many other people in the world is get a cease-fire to stop the killing and that was viewed in israeli as a way of, you know, tying their hands because they felt they had to deal with the tunnels, they had to deal with the long-range rockets. and so i have never frankly seen such blistering personal criticism on the left and the right in the israeli press. the israeli people, 87% according to channel 10's polling yesterday, the prime time top station, the top channel in israeli, 87% popularity what the government is doing and pushing it now to be even tougher. so kerry is just being blistered in israeli and it will inevitably hurt his effectiveness in the short term. he was already being blamed for the long term peace negotiations for nine months that, you know, collapsed. i think that, you know, susan rice came our show yesterday and defended him and the white house is trying to rally around. reports he is still trying to resurrect some sort of cease-fire but the focus now i'm told is on a short-term cease-fire, not on the long-term relationships. of course, ignatius criticism is that in some way, he has empowered hamas by going to qatar and hamas sponsors and trying to engage them. >> i want to bring in some washington nbc news chief white house correspondent and host of "the daily rundown," chuck todd. we will get to a couple of political stories with you but sam first has a question. >> we have gone through a list of horribles in the world basically from ukraine to the middle east. we haven't even touched on the ebola virus. when i talk to white house officials they have a calm about it they are on top of these things, but it seems pretty clear that a narrative is developing of a world that is basically out of control. from your conversations with the administration officials, how are they prioritizing these issues and grasping with the sheer number of them all? >> funny you say that. i had the very similar conversation it sounds like that you had and it's my understanding that president himself is trying to project more calm and some on his staff are eyes wide open saying when the global chaos going to stop and the president sort of trying to say, hey, this is about a globally connected world. we see more of the problem, more of them are at our doorsteps because there's not many and because the united states is the only super power. he is trying to project calm with his own staff to sort of keep everybody at bay. i think as for the prioritization they see it right now as two priorities and that is you see where john kerry is. there is a reason they sent kerry to the middle east. a, what is going on with russia and the decision they made. they got the europeans on board and we will find out in about a month. i think you have to realistically give the sanctions about a month and we will find out in about a month if what the u.s. has been calling for some time which is serious sanctions from europe, will it actually change putin's behavior in ukraine? >> chuck, on the question of israeli. obviously, now the israeli press and some members of the government there have been openly critical of john kerry, openly critical of the obama administration. what is happening privately between the united states, the white house specifically, and israeli to try to mend that fence a little bit? >> well, look. you already have the ambassador here who is the israeli ambassador of the united states. he is very close to netanyahu. he has been trying to ratchet the rhetoric back here look. there has been distrust between the obama administration and netanyahu's administration basically from the beginning since president obama came in and it's never really -- the rifts have never really healed and there is time they scab over, but the wounds never go away and it's very easy to start up. and remember who the missing player is. the last time there was a hot war between israeli and gaza, you had a member of the muslim brotherhood in charge of egypt, mohammed morsi. regardless of everybody's criticisms of morsi as a leader inside egypt and these other issues, on this particular issue he was somebody that helped broker the last major truce between gaza and israeli and right now egypt is not a legitimate player in the eyes of hamas. >> chuck, we want to get you in on some domestic politics here. michelle nunn's campaign brushing off the leaks of her victory plan in the state of georgia that calls for the candidate to spend 80% of her time raising money. conservative national review released a atrophy of her strategy memos giving a rare glimpse in inside a campaign. her campaign highlighted what they saw as her biggest vulnerabilities including running the points of life when irs filing show may have provided money to an organization accused of having loose ties to hamas. also a memo highlighting what the campaign saw as an opportunity in the jewish community saying, quote, michelle's position on israeli were largely determined the level support there adding that her message was tbd, nunn is locked in a tight race with david perdue. her campaign doesn't dispute the authenticity of the document writing in a statement, quote. chuck, these plans exist on every campaign. >> of course. >> is we have got one in the spotlight this morning. >> absolutely. look. this is why you hire political consultants and you can them in some way do due diligence on yourself. that is what this was. this sort of, you know, what are her vulnerabilities and what should be working on and focus on and how are the republicans going to attack her. in many ways exactly what you pay a political consultant to come up with is to, you know, look through her background and all of this stuff. here it is. it's the equivalent in football terms of the new england patriots getting a copy of the new york jets playbook although i guess you could argue the jets playbook they could have and it wouldn't matter because it's the jets. the point is it's seeing the other team's playbook. the republicans are pouncing saying she is all image conscience and she is trying to portray she is new to politics and another image want that beel this stuff. it's an uphill battle to run as a democrat in georgia and she is trying to be authentic. in this day and age when authenticity matters this makes it look like oh, my god, it's esche everybody's worst stereotype what politicians look like. the seen in "simpsons." >> gene, 80% of -- i guess it sounds crazy, but -- >> welcome to reality. >> might she be the only one that does that? >> it's how it works these day. dialing for dollars 24/7 basically. it looks kind of crazy and artificial when it's all written down like this but i think chuck is absolutely right. this is what candidates do and what political consultants do and this is what it's like to run for office these days. especially for a senate seat. >> the major embarrassment might not be for michelle nunn. it's how money driven the political process is. >> everybody, actually. andrea mitchell, thank you. we will be watching "andrea mitchell reports" at noon on msnbc. chuck todd, see you after "morning joe." the cuban missile crisis retold. one of the definitive moments in u.s. history. up next, the quest for 10,000 steps. how running just five minutes a day can literally save your life. dr. nancy snyderman is standing by with that. you're watching "morning joe." ♪ when salesman alan ames books his room at laquinta.com, he gets a ready for you alert the second his room is ready. so he knows exactly when he can 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nancy snyderman. we are trying to put into perspective the risk of its spreading and what is happening there because it is a resurgence. >> he let's talk about ebola. it's a brilliant spectacular virus in that it kills magnificently and shockingly people get sick very quickly and nausea and high fever and 104 and is 105 and have kidney fail and die. it's like a big wildfire but it's not a smart virus like hiv and doesn't now how to get to one person to another and keep itself live. we normally see these ebola outbreaks has are isolated and go kaboom. now we have seen an ebola outbreak jump a border and last week a man who had a fever got on an airplane and ended up in another country and died several days later. so, for the first time, the world health organization, the centers for disease control is speaking to foreign countries to sort of talk about border control, screening passengers before getting on airplanes. no doubt this is very little risk to the united states. however, it does mean that if you are an aide worker and traveled to western africa and you talk to your doctor, where you've been in the world now has to be part of your basic history and physical. it can no longer be, well, i just had a sore throat and fever for a few days without saying, have you been out of the country? >> oh, my gosh. and also the person with the fever what came and then died. >> right. >> you were talking about screening? >> right. as you and i in maknow screenin to get on an airplane is minimal at best if any screening at all. health care workers saying maybe let's take your temperature. you just don't get on that plane. if a patient were to arrive in the united states and look like that, that person would be immediately isolated and hospitalized. the only way to really shut this down is treat it like a wildfire. if there are brush fires popping here and there, you have to make sure they are all out. the challenge is, especially for this person who got on the airplane and maybe came into contact with at least we know 65 people, follow that chain link fence everywhere, find out all of those people he may have been in contact with and you have to make sure you do reasonable surveillance. >> how does the virus spread human-to-human? >> it's very much direct contact. saliva, vomit, diarrhea, maybe semen, we are not sure. but because aide workers when you see them in the field are in these hazmat suits. >> right. >> what concerns us is one of the american women who is infected and now being treated, her job was just to take off the hazmat suits and help bleach down the guys getting out. she was not even in direct contact. so the death rate from ebola is as high as 90% in. in this current outbreak it's hovering around 68%. the idea is jump in early because if you can stop the kidneys from going into failure. >> we will get to this new study. gene has a quick question. >> my question was just that, nancy. first world medical treatment, do we think that death rate would be lower than the 90% or even the 60%? >> probably, gene. so what we are running into right now is people, particularly in guinea and sierra leone haven't seen this before because this is a new illness in these countries. at the same time, they are seeing ebola kill neighbors and friends and family, the red cross is coming in and catholic charities is coming in. some villagers are seeing western medicine come in at the same time family members are dying and stoke the fear that outsiders have brought the illness. so that need for western medicine and sort of old beliefs and -- i'm going to say, you know, like the voodoo kind of home medicine that you see in many villages, it's all colliding. so aide workers have talked about 17-year-olds with machetes stopping their cars, cutting down trees, and putting up road blocks to keep aide workers out. so they really want aide workers to work with local elders who are respected to try to demystify this. it's horrific. and i should say in this part of the world, ritual bathing of the dead is part of the custom but if you touch someone who is dead you're going to get the virus. >> let's now turn to this new study from the journal of the american college of cardiology on running. >> fascinating study. you know, we have been told before to run -- to work out an hour a day and you're going to live longer. impossible for most people. >> right. >> this study looked at over 55,000 people and showed that for runners, the reduction of heart disease and stroke is 30% or so. but even for the average person, if you run five minutes a day, you can reduce your risk of heart disease and stroke by almost 50%. so that use it or lose it, a little bit is better than nothing is significant. >> five minutes at like a dead sprint? >> no, just five minutes a day. >> sam wants to know how. >> how bad can i run? >> mika, i'm not a runner. never loved it and never got that endorphin high and never figured out what is so great to it. mika love to get out there and run. i would like to wave them on. but i am very conscious of how much i walk a day. if you're not a runner, at least get in 10,000 steps. on the weekend, 25,000 steps. >> i would think that is doable for a lot of folks and it's really nice and probably has the same benefit. >> about three years ago, yes. >> 25,000 steps seems like a lot. >> on a weekend, absolutely doable. >> i think edition to bars. >> make sure you're drinking the dark alcohol because that stuff is good for your heart. >> all i drink. >> nancy, it's basically 30 to 60 minutes a week. let's say you took the low end 30 minutes a week. you could run twice a week, 15 minutes? that is doable for everybody. >> i do something every day. there was a study about three or four years ago looking at very fit men with no risk factors for heart disease and stroke. their jobs, however, were desk jobs. and they found that sitting at a desk was an independent risk factor for having heart attack. >> why you need a treadmill desk. have you seen those? >> al roker has one. he walks all day long. >> we should get them here. >> show it on the air. >> everyone else is on their treadmills watching. everyone says i watch you from my treadmill every morning. i feel jealous! >> trip on them. i like that. >> nancy, thank you so much. great to see you. ahead outrage in new york city as residents in a luckry apartment building want a separate door for the so-called affordable units. really? we will break down the city's so-called "poor door" policies. keep it right here on "morning joe." ♪ somewhere out on that horizon ♪ ♪ out beyond the neon lights i know there must be somebody ♪ vo: this is the summer. the summer of this. the summer that summers from here on will be compared to. where memories will be forged into the sand. and then hung on a wall for years to come. get out there, with over 50,000 hotels at $150 dollars or less. expedia. find yours. when folks think about wthey think salmon and energy. 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talk about the poor door controversy here in new york city coming up which i think is fascinating. you reimagined, speaking of fascinating, the cuban missile crisis and you bring in a couple of different aspects to this. the game of chess and young woman by the name of margo jensen. >> here, there's two historical facts that i worked with. one is that president kennedy really did have an affair with a 19-year-old college student that did actually overlap the cuban missile crisis. second, behind the official negotiations, there was an unofficial negotiation, a secret negotiation only a few people knew about in the white house. my fictional premise supposed the affair with the college student didn't really happen but a cover for the secret negotiations. >> okay. take it from there. that affair did happen with kennedy, correct? >> i really did have an affair with a 19-year-old but my fictional 19-year-old he does not have an affair with but she is asked to pretend to have an affair with the president using his reputation as it were as the cover so that she can ferry messages between him and an official of the soviet embassy. >> when we look back on the history of what that time meant for the world internationally it was a big chess game and trying to figure it out and a lot of it went with the national thought leaders who could think like the luck of trying to figure out the situation. why does chess play to prominently for you in your books? you say you're an amateur at chess, which i doubt. >> no, i'm an absolute amateur. but what chess involves is figuring out what your opponent is going to do and not letting your opponent know what you are going to do. when you look at foreign policy crises today and there are a lot of them and a lot of people criticizing the president or supporting him and a lot of the criticism i think is undeserved. foreign policy is hard. but the one piece of advice that i would give, if ever asked, wanting to learn from this crisis what kennedy did, he kept guessing. whether kennedy was willing to push the button or not. we still don't know. keeping his opponent off balance that way and keeping his cards so close to his vest and his close advisers didn't know i think was the successful completion of the crisis. >> discussion of the difficulties of writing and melding the two together. >> i think written seven or eight works of nonfiction and it is my sixth novel. you're right. to me writing novels is harder and writing historical novels is particularly difficult. it appeals to me as a scholar. i get to do the research and i try in this novel to bring washington, d.c. to 1962 to life and it all takes place in europe and so on but i try to bring the city to life as it really would have been. i have a a lot of real historical characters in the novels, not only the kennedy brothers and national security adviser but people like bobby fisher, the chess champion and others. to me half the fun of it is trying to make sure i have to the extent possible my facts right and that takes a lot of time. >> why not go full nonfiction and retell the story of what happened from a purely historical end? >> but i like to tell stories. people like to read the stories. >> you have a story to tell. >> i do. >> i want to bring you to real life for a second. as you have written in bloomberg view about the corridor controversy here in new york city and you write in part this. everyone is mad about the poor door. this is the name critics bestowed upon the separate entrance for the affordable housing units on the western side of manhattan. it is a little outrageous but some of it may be optical. the separate entrance for the cheaper units which is hardly heard of in manhattan real estate is part of a consequence of the very policies that new york is trying to enforce. so the title of this is "the poor door concept is nothing new in u.s. cities." i don't think that makes it okay. >> it's not okay. >> it's not okay. >> no, it's not okay. it's a terrible thing, but new york is one of the most economically segregated cities in the united states. well studied. already in new york city, there is an enormous separation between where the with to do live and where the poor live. >> right but to have the poor people who live in the affordable part of that building bringing in a separate door is bringing us to a past time. >> i'm agreeing. the way to resolve this, is number one, the economic segregation in new york we have the sections of the city that are rich and sections that are poor and tend to not overlap with each other is number one. second the way to solve the problem of affordable housing is not only to reduce some of the regulations that make it expensive to build housing but to get people with actual money they can go out and find a place to live that meets their standards rather than some standard that was designed by the city itself. >> stephen, in talking about this specific building on the upper west side and also to the divide in the city, a lot of people being priced out of living in manhattan directly. if i understand about the building, the residents in one section say the higher cost apartments are not going to share the same amenities and same floors. it's like two separate buildings built in one structural space so that these builders are getting the big tax exemptions and kick-backs from the city? >> i agree. what i would do i would stomp giving the builders those benefits. what the builders do with these benefits and not only build separate spaces and extra benefits to sell off for millions of dollars. what the city is doing for this program is subsidizing the construction from luxury housing where builders make billions of dollars. >> >> you have a lot of buildings in manhattan have the separate entrances we both object to and the only way we are going to stop that is stop giving them the subsidy which they are happy to get. >> why put the affordable housing units in the 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>> it's usually a d.c. thing with al. >> my dream has been to be with mika in new york and finally -- >> that's one way to put it. >> and with steve. >> what about me, al. >> don't leave sam out. >> former mccain campaign strategist and msnbc political analyst, steve schmidt is here as well. nice to have you on board. >> thank you, mika. let's start with breaking news, as the crisis between israel and hamas enters its fourth week, nbc news has confirmed moments ago that two u.n. staff members were killed in gaza today. the new barrage of strikes came as israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu delivered a national tv address, warning of an extended conflict there. joining us now from tel aviv, nbc news correspondent, kate snowe with the latest. kate? >> reporter: good morning, mika. secretary of state john kerry is still pushing all the parties for an end to the bloodshed here, but i have to tell you, he faces an uphill battle in israel, because look at what the public and the press are saying about john kerry. here's the headline in this morning's paper, it says obama and kerry are playing with fire. overnight, more explosions in gaza. this morning, the main power plant took a hit, columns of smoke are still rising. israel confirmed ten soldiers died yesterday, pushing the number of military deaths over 50, the highest casualty count since a war in the north in 2006. that's only increasing israel's resolve to keep going, and it helps explain why it's been so tough for john kerry to negotiate a peace deal. >> i just want to say a very few words, quickly about the events in gaza. >> kerry's been soundly criticized in the israeli media for the way he pushed for a cease-fire. a columnist for the liberal newspaper says senior government officials in jerusalem described carri kerry's cease-fire proposal as a strategic attack. >> it's not just that kerry and the obama administration is taking the side of the palestinians, but in the arab world in general over israel. and the feeling is that this america led by this president won't actually be there when it matters for israel's security needs. >> one paper called kerry a nudnnik. >> somebody coming again and again and again and doesn't do much. >> reporter: the coffee crowd in tel aviv thinks kerry is out of his league. >> he thinks he can make some agreement, he can write some nice words, some nice statements. come on. get real. >> reporter: the obama administration spent monday bending over backwards to defend kerry. >> the reality is that john kerry, on behalf of the united states, has been working every step of the way with israel in support of our shared interests. >> reporter: so here's the situation. a lot of analysts are worried that kerry, with all this kerry bashing going on, is going to lose some of his power to even negotiate some kind of cease-fire, let alone a lasting peace over here. and meantime, while all the diplomats are talking, more than 70 palestinians were killed in that fighting overnight. >> sam stein? >> kate, i had a question for you. the israel ambassador to the united states yesterday spoke out in defense, actually, of john kerry, and tried to minimize the distance between the netanyahu government and the secretary of state. do you pick up any sense that the israeli government thinks that the talk has been overblown, or what is the imperative for them in having the ambassador come out and saying something like that? >> reporter: publicly, they still want to talk about their alliance with the u.s. they need america as an ally. behind the scenes, it's harder to say. the sense from here, when you talk to the people, at least, is that israelis, they're not giving up. they don't want a cease-fire. they're not going to stop this offensive, because they strongly believe that those tunnels still exist and that they haven't yet demilitaryized hamas. that's the mood on the street that benjamin netanyahu is dealing with here. and of course, he has to balance that with the diplomacy. >> nbc's kate snowe in tel aviv, thanks so much. al, you heard netanyahu in the past 24 hours pulling this just war. kerry, obviously, the secretary of state in the crosshairs of criticism. and you know, at what point, really, is he to blame for continued fighting, when all sides of this are so at each other's throats, literally, and show no sign of backing down. it's almost like the criticism of kerry is an excuse to keep fighting, instead of to listen and to stop. >> it's kind of hard to blame john kerry for -- >> for trying. >> for fighting in the middle east. he may have made a tactical mistake. i don't know enough about what's on the ground there. but to say that john kerry is not a friend of israel. to say that john kerry is somehow trying to help hamas is just utter and complete nonsense. >> it's ludicrous. >> and i think for the israeli -- those israelis who perpetuate that are going to find it self-defeating. >> they're not only perpetuating it, this time it's being stirred up as an excuse not to consider a cease-fire, which, i mean, at this point, we're looking at day after day after day of video of civilians and children, getting caught in these massacre. >> i think the key quote from yesterday was when netanyahu talked about continuing this operation until they closed all of the tunnels from gaza into israel. that could be a serious and long-term operation in terms of the war hostilities. and it suggests that israeli is in this mind-set where they want to, you know, figuratively, mow the lawn, chop down hamas's military capabilities for now, for a couple of years, and they'll have to end up coming back. and my question for everyone who talks about this is what is the long-term strategic objective of israel here? i'm having trouble figuring out what they're trying to do in the long run. what replaces hamas as the military outfit of the palestinians? >> and does it spread to the west bank? >> steve? >> look, the reason there is fighting now, today, is 100% entirely the fault of hamas. this is a terrorist organization. the lobbing of missiles into israel, the attacks on the civilian populations in israel have precipitated this crisis. and the strategic goal of the israeli nation, of the israeli army is to demilitaryize, to disarm, to defang hamas. and they have sustained casualties, great sacrifice on the part of the israeli people. and it should be the job of the government of the united states in this situation, to communicate with absolute moral clarity that we will stand side-by-side with israel. that we will not give cover to those who draw false equivalence with the two sides. the images on television are tragic, because all war is tragic. but the israeli people don't live in the fantastical world of washington, d.c. the threats that they face are real, they are lethal, and the people that you just saw being interviewed in cafes have a visceral understanding of that in a way that our policy makers can't seem to at an intellectual level. >> and i don't want to start a -- because every conversation usually results in an emotional back and forth, and i don't want to get there. i think, in theory, that's fine. but you can't just ignore the severe humanitarian crisis that's going on in gaza, as well as the civilian casualties. we can't have a foreign policy in a vacuum. yes, it makes sense to stand with israel. yes, israel has vulnerability from hamas. but at the same time, there are clearly issues in elements of the palestinian cause that resonate with the american public, and certainly with the european public and the world public that can't just be wiped away. >> who is that you're negotiating with? >> that's the great question. >> when the people that you are trying to do a deal with do not recognize at any level your legitimacy -- >> nothing, exactly. >> the hamas chief said -- >> that's true! >> gene, jump in? >> the question, to me, steve, is, okay, who are you negotiating with? well, if you don't want to negotiate with hamas, because that's the opposite party, under any circumstances, and the only way to get at hamas is essentially through the people, the civilians who live in gaza, there's a problem there. and we can't ignore that problem, that if the only way you can get at hamas is, you know, killing thousands, potentially, before this is over, of civilians in gaza, there's a real question there, that we can't just look past. and you know, there's a question of proportionality here and i think it's, you know, i can understand, you know, i know what israelis feel, i know how under attack they feel, with good reason. but there is a question of proportionality. and in the end, can you bomb hamas into oblivion? can you totally get rid of hamas? and if so, isn't it replaced by something very much like hamas? >> or worse. >> or worse. >> well, look, at the end of the day, you have a densely packed civilian population. hamas operates within that civilian population. they use that civilian population to hide weapons systems, to hide rocket systems. the israeli army does everything it can conceivably do to avoid civilian casualties in its operation. this is a moral country. this is a moral fighting force. what is happening in any war, where there are civilian casualties, where there is collateral damage, it is very tragic. but now that this has begun, it must be finished. >> sure. >> and the israeli army must be supported by this country in its quest to do as much damage to disarm hamas and to demilitaryize them, to degrade them, and to weaken them as much as possible or these losses will have been in vain. and the secretary of state should not be drawing false equivalence between the two sides. >> i don't think he did draw -- he did not draw a false equivalence, steve. that's just not right. he tried to get a cease-fire. you can argue that was a mistake. >> but to what -- >> to end violence. >> but the strategic goal here should be the degrading of hamas, not the -- the strategic goal is not the achievement of a cease-fi cease-fire. a cease-fire achieved without a degraded hamas means we will likely see more military con fli flikt in the future. now that this has begun, there is only one way for it to end, and that is for hamas to be defanged to the largest stent as possible. >> we're saying, what happens? what are the ramifications of a defanged hamas? as eugene possible, i don't think any of us know this, but is it a possibility that what replaces hamas in gaza could end up being worse. it could be a series of terrorist groups or terror cells that we have no control over, that provide no social services to the people of gaza. those are the questions we're not grappling with. we have a very short-term mind-set about this conflict when we should be thinking about the long-term. >> it's entirely possible that it could be worse. and if it is worse, then the israeli army will need to continue into -- >> and here we are. >> this is why these conversations -- >> i want to get two political stories in this block, before we go to break. first this one, u.s. senate hopeful michelle nun's campaign is brushing off the leak in georgia. it calls for the candidate to spend 80% of her time raising money. the conservative national review released a trove of nunn's international campaign strategies. it highlighted her biggest vulnerabilitie vulnerabilities, including her work, an organization that may have loose ties to hamas. and there's a memo highlighting what the campaign saw as an opportunity in the jewish community. saying, quote, michelle's position on israel will largely determine the level of support, adding that her message was tbd. nunn is currently locked in a tight race with georgia businessman, david perdue. her campaign doesn't dispute the authenticity of the document. writing in a statement, quote, this was a draft of a document that was written eight months ago. like all good plans, they change. but what hasn't changed is all the more clear today, that michelle's components are going to mischaracterization, to mischaracterize her work and her positions, and part of what we've always done is prepare for the false things that are going to be said. i'm not sure if that's in response to what happened or not, but that's their response. al, are you surprised by anything in the memo when you know the inner workings of politics? >> no, i'm really not. >> i'm not. it hurts, but i'm -- i can't stand that 80% of her time has to be -- >> you wish you didn't have campaigns, where you spend 80% of your time. >> but you do. >> points of light, as i recall, was a george bush foundation, a george bush initiative. look, it's embarrassing and it doesn't help. michelle nunn is a very strong accompanied. is the best single opportunity to win a republican seat. her father is still revered in the state of georgia. he's running with jimmy carter's grandson. and they've got a shot in a red state, in a year that's not going to be -- >> you must have written tons of these memos. has anyone -- >> what stands out? >> i have a couple of reactions. first off, she's only spending 80% of her time raising money? >> only?! good god! >> i'm serious about this. my line to candidates has always been, you're going to submit about 90% of your time raising money. in that this is a revelation to anybody is just shocking to me. look, this is what american politics is like. candidates spend more than 80% of their time, spend much more like 90% of their time raising must be. and that's how broken the system is. and then the second part of it is, and i've been for a long time now, in a campaign. i just don't hand out paper around the table. everything gets put on the dry erase board. the notion that you're going to put this into long strategic memos and pass out 100 copies is beyond crazy. >> well, this one was accidentally posted online, which is even crazier. >> oh, come on! >> that's how they got it. who would post that online? >> the former campaign aides. >> look, when i was running the arnold schwarzenegger campaign, we got a call from the l.a. times one day, saying they had hours of taped conversations, we had no idea how they got them. we eventually figured out, with arnold schwarzenegger talking, you know, in, you know, you know, off the cuff. and i love him to death, but let me assure you -- >> that's good stuff. >> -- he's a colorful character. and i always thought hours of arnold schwarzenegger tapes with nothing particularly damaging in the media was the equivalent of a 747 doing an emergency landing in lower manhattan and doing no damage and hurting no one. >> so you can survive this thing. >> you can. >> sam -- >> in 2008, the obama campaign accidentally sent us their district by district plan from february through june. went through every district. and when i called him up and said, it's terrific, they said, you can't print that, and i said, i can, and they said, we have lots of plans, and i said, send us every one and we'll print every one. >> and they survived. >> i got a memo about how to court a high-profile donor and what it was going to entail and how they were going to talk to the guy. it was what would you expect they wanted to do to a high-profile donor, but it was hugely embarrassing to have something like that revealed in public. i don't know what happened to the donor. i assume he department donate. >> probably ambassador of lu luxembou luxembourg. i remember infamously the in 2008, the giuliani campaign memo about how he was going to run for president was leaked and obviously that didn't turn out well for giuliani. >> we're also following a story with andrew cuomo. you seen this? new york governor andrew cuomo pushing back hard against allegations that his office interfered with a political ethics commission, a commission he himself put in place. it stems from a front-page article last week in "the new york times" which alleges cuomo's office squashed certain subpoenas is that would have looked into the governor's own dealings. including one to a media firm connected to new york's democratic party. but now, one of the firm's three co-chairs at the center of "the times" story, william j. fitzpatri fitzpatrick, is claiming that the panel was, indeed independent. he says, quote, the bottom line is that no one interfered with me or my co-chairs. but disappoint yesterday's denials, e-mails obtained by "the times" show that fitzpatrick had expressed frustration with meddling with the governor's office. at one point, e-mailing that mr. cuomo's office needs to understand that this is an independent commission and needs to be treated as such. yesterday, the governor disputed "the times" characterization of the remarks. >> read it again. >> the second floor, larry, needs to understand that an independent commission needs to be treated as such. >> okay, so what he's saying is that at some point in time, larry is having a conversation with him and larry is advocating a point. that's what that is saying. that is true. follow the movie to the conclusion. and what does chairman fitzpatrick say? no, resoundingly, no. what does the chairman's actions show. no. resoundingly no. because he rejected the request. the rejection is ipso facto a statement of independence because he said no. and he could and he did. if you had watched the movie to the end, the name of the movie would have been "independence." you named it "interference." >> okay. so, i want to get steve's take on this. the governor is -- has also said -- i spoke to him on the phone yesterday, most of it off the record, but denying vehemently that he didn't -- they did not squash subpoenas. so "the times" is making a connection that everyone is running with. and the question is, in terms of looking at his response here and looking at the story as it was laid out, the actual facts making no connections, just the facts, is he in trouble in any way? >> no. and by the way, what i think is, and what he said, i find very compelling. and i think he is correct. and my advice to him would be to speak no more of this matter ever again forever. if the chairman of the commission says that i was not interfered with, and as the governor just went through, and the e-mail to me is dispositive of the fact that he asserted his independence, did not yield to political pressure in a conversation with a political aide who was trying to make a point, and there's no actual evidence, just supposition that there was a quashing of subpoenas, i don't know what the story is here. >> he didn't squash a subpoena? >> i think the answer is no, there is no evidence that subpoenas were squashed politically. so in the context of the story, you understand why he seems a little bit emotional, what his reaction is on that. but i don't know what the basis of the story and the allegation is, given the other facts that we just laid out here. >> i think you're -- i'm not quite so benign on this. he may not have squashed subpoenas, i don't know. i'm not familiar with this story. but what is clear, albany is a cesspool of corruption, they tried to clear it up, they tried to interfere, someone from his office, maybe they didn't succeed. i think andrew cuomo does not look good here. >> and here's a governor, ipso facto, he is in trouble. >> that's a different issue. >> i just wanted to get ipso facto in there. >> people have been trying to clean up albany since the 1920s. it's always been a sacesspool. the fact that albany is a cesspool has no bearing on this story. >> unless you said you came to albany to clean it up. >> but bring that up in the re-election. is there any evidence that the governor was involved in squashing subpoenas? there's no apparent evidence to me of that. if the chairman of the commission says that -- >> he did shut down the commission. >> there was no political interference. >> that's a problem in its own right. >> it's a problem, i suppose, if people want to make a political argument that he ought not to have closed down the commission. but the notion that, you know, that the story that ran, i think, is absent facts, alleging what he did. >> the question is what is interference, right? >> guys, so we have chris christie on one side of this thing and -- >> tri-state area. >> the tri-state governors are being looked at, and in both the cases, the optics are very bad. but to the governor's point, there are no facts right now that prove that he quashed subpoenas, right? does anybody have any? okay, we don't. but it doesn't look good. i think that's fair to say. >> closing down the -- >> the optics are bad. >> shutting down a commission that you created and it looks like there may be some timing that would indicate that it might be effective, but you've got no proof. >> you created it because you were a great corruption fighter. >> and then you shut it down. >> but, again, there's no actual fact that chose that. and you could also say that the new jersey governor, you know, tried that as well, saying there are no facts that show i was connected to the lane -- but that did not stop the press from talking about it is and saying these could be connections that could be made. it's an interesting trifecta. all right. we'll revisit this. we'll be following this. and maybe we'll hold a news conference closer to new york city. that would be nice. because that's another optic issue. >> buffalo's not good enough? >> buffalo is hard to get to. i'm like, are you kidding me, buffalo? now it seems like you're trying to make it far away -- >> tim russert is looking down on you somewhere, be careful, mika. >> i love buffalo, i'm just saying, but if you want to address the story, come to the reporters who are covering it. eugene robinson, thank you, steve schmidt, thank you as well. al hunt, stay with us. 40 years ago after his resignation as president, we'll take a look at some new uncensored tapes from the nixon administration. they're fascinating. and later, the impact of two opposing forces on the modern family dynamic. we'll explain what those forces are with a fascinating new study ahead and the impact of women working and making money and how that potentially affects marriage. but, first, here's bill karins with a check on the forecast. bill? >> morning to you, mika. a lot of activity lately. we had those tornadoes in boston yesterday, one in virginia last week. and then we had that lightning strike on the beach that killed that person in california, three rare events. what's not so rare is summertime fires in the west. and they continue to spread and we've been having a very active period. these are coming from near yosemite national park, and we're going to watch this area closely today, because they do have the chance to spread with warm temperatures and some breezy conditions out there. in all, we now have 27 large fires burning in the west. it actually died down just a little bit. we had about 36 last week. so some rainfall has been beneficial. this picture came to us overnight. this is from yosemite national park, and you can actually see on here, how active the fire is, right through the middle of the night. a pretty eerie looking picture there. so across the country, we had that storm in new england yesterday, gone. now we're looking at beautiful conditions. no problems with the mid-atlantic, ohio valley. dry air all the way to the south. one area that's needed the rain, new mexico. and you're getting drenched. we've seen too much, too fast, and we have some flash flood warnings. colorado and new mexico, flash flooding. your tuesday forecast, flash flood threat continues for colorado, new mexico, some afternoon storms in florida. and as we head towards the end of the week, the predominant weather story will be what happens with this tropical disturbance. it looks like it could become tropical storm bertha by the end of the week. somewhere near puerto rico by the time we get to sunday. and it could go somewhere just off the east coast it looks like, next week at this time. so that's good news with that. shouldn't be much of a problem for the lower 48. but our friends in puerto rico, we'll keep a close eye on it. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. over 20 million kids everyday in our country lack access to healthy food. for the first time american kids are slated to live a shorter life span than their parents. it's a problem that we can turn around and change. revolution foods is a company we started to provide access to healthy, affordable, kid-inspired, chef-crafted food. we looked at what are the aspects of food that will help set up kids for success? 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>> yeah. >> a good writer, right? and cassidy says she's best behaved in the household. i'll let you go figure that out between your brother and sister, because we're going to be talking about inappropriate behavior among pandas, apparently. so cute. so good. we've got a lot of fascinating things to talk about pertaining to your books and these tapes. here's a conversation between president nixon and henry kissinger when they wanted to produce criticism against soviet jews, worried it could harm their secret talks with the soviet union. what do you think of this conversation? >> henry kissinger, being jewish, is constantly worried he's going to be taken out of being a negotiator in the middle east, anything to do with israel or foreign policy in general, but nixon told halderman, i don't want any jews regarded with foreign policy. so kissinger always trying to overcompensate and being macho. in this case, he says, i don't care about the human right s jes and soviet unions. it's none of our business. we don't ask russia to tell us about african-americans, we don't care what happens to them. at one point, he says, i don't care basically if they go in gas chambers, it's none of our business. they're in russia, it's not america. he's a realist, kissinger, and this is his real politic vision. >> al, have you been listening to these tapes at all? >> i've listened to some. >> it's fascinating. >> i can't wait to read doug's book. everything about nixon is fascinating. the contradictions, this incredibly smart man who was so insecure, had good policies and did them in the worst possible way. but kissinger also was pandering to him. >> absolutely. and nobody spoke up to the boss. and you have to give kissinger to -- you know, he didn't know he was being tape recorded. nixon had everything voice activated. it wasn't like johnson or kennedy, where they were doing limited taping. this was everything. they even bugged camp david. so you can imagine kissinger, years later, when these come out, you have to be -- you get mortified. but nobody, except halderman, and maybe once or twice, really stands up to the boss. they're afraid of him. >> and kissinger in his defense, pandered to him rhetorically, but it didn't affect policy. >> often would just do the opposite or at least try to work other channels. in fact, we owe kissinger a little bit of credit in october of 1973 with the yom kippur war, nixon was drinking all the time, completely dissolving, because of the pressure of watergate, and it was kissinger and scowcroft who kept our foreign policy going. >> so had it been today, there could be cameras everywhere. it would be like the kardashians. one of the more humorous exchanges in the book, nixon's conversation with a washington reporter about chinese pandas heading to the national zoo. nixon was apparently amazed at how they mated. >> pandas are voyeurs. what in the world?! what in the world? >> well, nixon's sort of an odd man. >> yes. >> but, of course, his best moment in history is the 1972 breakthrough to china and the pandas coming to america were a big deal. and on one of the tapes, nixon was talking about the problem of what zoo, san diego, st. louis? and he decided on the national zoo, because he thought the climate was right for pandas. so he started reading a lot about pandas, so far that he was getting into their mating habits with a reporter. >> a real aficionado. so '72, you talk about, that's when the breakthrough he had with china. but when we look at his most powerful years, really is just prior to that. because watergate, you know, '73, as you say, he was drinking a little more than he should have been. but '71/'72? >> yeah, he was a big deal. he won in '68, improbable as it was. '72, the biggest landslide in american history against george mcgovern. on one of the tapes, he's so victorious, he says, why isn't somebody writing a book about 1972. all that i've accomplished. his sense of grandiosity is extreme. and of course, we know, by '73, watergate just starts ripping him down. and you get a whole new batch of tapes that a man name stanley cutler had put into a book called "abuse of power," a great scholar from wisconsin, and now john deans also adding to that record. >> did you like putting this together? >> it was unbelievable, because my friend, luke nicktor, we had transcripts so high, he's been working on it for a decade. and we went through and edited it down to try to be fair. ones that are historically significant, some lighter moments, and some moments of dark nixon. >> before we go to break, we're going to bump out with him talking about women who swear, which we ran earlier. it is something to listen to. the book is the nixon tapes. and you can read an excerpt on our site, mojo.msnbc.com. douglas brinkley, thank you so much. thank you, cassidy! your daughter's adorable! always bring her. al hunt, thank you as well. i know you've got to run. tomorrow on "morning joe," we'll continue our look at president nixon. john dean will be our guest for his book, the nixon defense, what he knew and when he knew it. coming up this morning, the revolution at home. how men and women are learning to coexist in a new era of equality, or no coexist. 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cindy and then jack? >> what's happening is work is a reality of women's lives. and it is basically holding up the american economy. and most americans are pretty fine with that. i mean, the statistics that you just showed, showing how people's views towards women bringing home the bacon have changed are remarkable. you know, there used to be this idea that that was a men's world. and now, particularly, young men and women think, you know what, as long as there's bacon coming into the home, i'm good. it doesn't matter who's brought it. >> it's not just a push for equality anymore, it's a necessity. i look at the next generation as girls are going to work. >> it's not about having it all as some sort of greedy or selfish choice. it's about, this is what the economy and everybody's family is -- >> but it is impacting the family, jack? >> there are clear economic -- >> and marriages. >> it's impacting across all society, culture, business, education, politics. but the reality is that in 2015, for the first time, women will surpass men in the workforce, in managerial and professional jobs, in 1970, men represented over 75%. today, they represent only 45% of managerial and professional jobs. and while women's income has been increasing since 1970, about 25%, men's income has been flat. so while we have more women in the workforce, there's still overall family income, even with more two-family homes is declining. and that's the real challenge. that we can't raise total income, even as more women are entering the workforce. >> interesting results from this, also, in terms of who does the housework. who bears the brunt of the family responsibilities. >> well, there was this study last year, that got a lot of attention, that hinted that couples in which men do more of the housework or at least their fair share, actually have less sex. and that turns out not to be true. i'm pretty sure it was a rumor started by a guy who did not want to unload the dishwasher. >> it's a good one! >> but i think that speaks to something that jack just raised. as women gain in education, they are not actually raising their risk of divorce. that has been a long-standing fear among a lot of women. and it was based on the fact that it used to be true, up until about the 1990s. but one of the things that "the times" piece points out, is that for the last couple of years, couples where women have equivalent or greater education than their husband, have more stable marriages than those where women are lagging behind. and that's reassuring. >> and even where there's a working husband and a working wife, the working wife still does on average 25% more housework than child care. and in working homes where there's a working wife and a working husband, the husband still has 40 minutes more per day of leisure time. so women are -- there's definitely not a balance -- >> it's almost matching up. but in your new book and talking about the age of men and male dominance lacking, is that, and these numbers may contribute to that. the fact that when couples are getting together, men and women, they're deciding that their personal and professional lives don't need to be mutually exclusive. and they can achieve these dreams together, communicate about it, talk about it, and achieve it together. it seems like that's the big difference we're seeing in modern relationships. >> it is a balance. and a good man today is not defined by his conquests. >> he's just hard to find. >> that's the opening line of my book. >> very good! okay. very good. it is so interesting, because i think we're kind of in the middle of all of this, these challenges, watching, and reading this article, it was sort of like, i don't know where this is going. >> i think part of what it means is that the definition of being a great man and a great provider has changed. it doesn't necessarily mean that you are doing the providing as a man. you might also need to support your wife if she needs to go back to school to increase her earning power. move across the country to take another job. all the things that wives have traditionally done for their husbands, it's a two-way street. >> thank you both for being on the show. come back when your book comes out. still ahead, new earnings from wall street, including new concerns from bp over russian sanctions. business before the bell is next. welcome back, everybody. "business before the bell" now with cnbc's sarah eisen. >> bp warned about further sanctions if the eu and the u.s., as they're discussing, but economic sanctions on russia. it could have, according to bp, a material adverse affect on their operations in russia. remember, bp has about 20% stake in rosnef, which is a major russian energy giant, controlled by the state. so obviously these countries that do business there are starting to worry about more sanctions as discussed. also i want to mention some moral outrage today. okay cupid, the offline dating site, apparently has been lying to its users, doing all sorts of social experiments, taking away pictures, taking away content on professional. and get this, telling people that they were 90% matched when, really, they were only a 30% match, which, guys, they found actually worked in terms of the number of correspondences. people are pretty upset about that. but okcupid says, this is what websites do. >> doesn't that mean that people will just keep shopping on okcupid? >> or it doesn't matter. >> good point, sarah eisen, you're the best. up next, what, if anything, did we learn today? 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weapons for any price because that was his self defense. he needed those firearms for his own sense of security. he never for any price would he have sold those guns. he doesn't have the profiler of someone who needs to sell their weapons. >> his first court date is next wednesday. they have shown a commitment to veterans. but new reports show the president knew about the problems years ago and did nothing. peter doocy is live in washington with what the white house is saying now. >> now the white house is saying president obama learned about the spefkt stories of the schedules at va hospital. at the same time many americans did when they started popping up on the news. still, though e-the press secretary jay carney says the president has worked toward improving care for veterans for years. >> candidate obama, then senator obama identified problems within the va and committed himself to be elected to making sure we enhance the budgets that we provided to the veterans affairs department so we could better serve our veterans. and what you are seeing since he took office is just that. >> one whistleblower in west virginia says they hodelayed appointments for veterans. some waiting killed themselves. they are putting some of the blame on the side of the veteran's affairs department. >> the veterans system is so large you have a layer of workers, doctors, nurses, technicians caring for people and you have this bureaucracy, administrative people. it is big. so the doctors are not only trying to work, but you have to manipulate through this maze, this behemoth bure rock ski. see chlt /* /- -- bureaucracy. >> they will continue to provide documents on a need only basis. >> thank you, peter. that brings us to our look at who is talking. it is time for the president to step up and hold them accountable. >> it is a huge problem. don't try to blame it on bush or republicans in congress. she is the ceo of the country. they report to him. he ought to have the same kind of interest in this than he did the obamacare web site and obamacare law in general. shake these people up. >> now what does he say through his chief of staff? i am madder than hell about this as if he just stumbled upon this problem the way he stumbles upon everything in the administration from the i rk s scandal to the disastrous launch of the obamacare web site. >> it the spotlight on a few b race i s s. the governor leads the polls for a tight race. if nobody gets the majority there it will take a run off to decide who will face democrat michelle nun the father of sam nun in the fall. mitch mcconnell leads the polls against newcomer bev vens. he gave a speech at a cock fighting rally. oregon and idaho also posting primaries today. >> abu hamza alma iii convicted of all 11 terrorism charges against him. he shows no reaction in court as the verdict was read. the jury in new york city found him guilty of recruiting for al qaeda, helping kidnappers during a 1998 hostage taking in yemen and setting up a terrorist attack in 1999. new for you overnight we have these tensions mounting in china over unprecedenteunprecedented. china summoning the u.s. ambassador to complain. five chinese military officials are accused of stealing information like product designs and confidential legal strategies to give chinese companies the advantage costing jobs in the u.s. the victims six pittsburgh based companies. the charges they are made up. experts say the chances of a trial are almost. they used it for the search of a missing jet. they want the images released. they want the entire world to join in on the search for the plane. officials have not said when data. passengers on board an allegiant air flight forced to evacuate after the pilot reported smelling spoke in the cabin. th the passengers noticed commotion. >> the airline service, the pilot says abort, abort, and the doors opened up. >> emergency flags were deployed and passengers slid down the tarmac. the smell came from the plane's electrical system. >> now to an extreme weather alert. take a look back at some incredible time lapse video. storm chairses right in front of them. this happened near claritin wyoming. it is the longest lasting thunderstorm. that brings us to maria molina in the weather center. it looks like a spaceship. this is what can happen when the thunderstorms start to form and rotate. there's a chance to see more of that activity. it is a slight chance but as far west as parts of colorado and western parts of kansas and the grass with a slight chance for large hail damaging winds and isolated tornadoes. tomorrow the risk continues across parts of the ohio valley, indiana, illinois and also yet again across portions of the plains states. have a way to get the warnings especially this afternoon and this evening. we have the plans in place. out here we have elevated fire danger in place. red flag warnings in effect. those temperatures right now very warm across the center of the country. take a look at the 70s kansas city down to dallas. those highs will reach the 80s in chicago and minneapolis. let's head over to you. >> sn the that interesting, chicago thhad hoech cold weathe and now in the 80s. >> thanks maria. >> new outrage brewing over the new 9-11 museum's gift shop. family members of victims have souvenir sales. they honor the heros and remember the victims from the september 11th terror attacks with deeply moving exhibits. a few feet away the gift shop sells hats, coffee mugs, hood des and t-shirts. 8 percent of the items were made in the u.s. >> they have to make money to make the museum run but this has gone a little boifrt board it is tacky and it's an international disgrace. >> proceed from the shop goes from developing and sustaining the museum. >> california krohn running in the belmont stakes. the horse arrives in new york for the run for the preet ste ps steeg gus triple crown. they ruled the strips are a okay. if he wins the belmont he would be the first horse to sweep all three races since 1978. >> donald sterling one step closer to losing the los angeles clippers. the nba has begun the process of terminating his ownership. he has been encuaccused of enga in con kt at thduct that damage continues to damage the team. the hearing is set for june 3rdrd. >> led zeppelin's stairway to heaven. it is one of the biggest rock songs in history. now a band who once toured with zeppelin is accusing the legendary group is accusing them from stealing the opening rift from them. here is the beginning of spirit song called tour. ♪ now listen to stairway to heaven. ♪>> spl require plans sue as they come up with a new version. >> star being questioned by police after his wife is shot to death in their home. the new information breaking overnight tonight. >> children confessing their sin. parents now shaming their kids with pictures like this. ñ >> welcome back. where is the beef. you may want to throw it out. they are mom with a new baby. a tiny breast-feeding infant i hoped would be a exception to the rule. the trade said there is no exceptions. >> a florida high school decides to sell premium seats to the ceremony and they don't stop there. kelly wright is here now with controversy. >> this whole thing is stup tid p -- stupid. here's a reason they are upset. every senior is required to pay $20 to participate in the graduation ceremony. now the school is charging $200 for premium seating for family members. that price will get you an entire bench near the end zone of the school's stadium. the site of the ceremony all rows have been sold out. others have to settle for first come first serve seating. some say the school's fee is discriminatory and unfair. >> discriminatory economically, socioeconom socioeconomically. >> $200 is a lot of money. is my child more important than yours? what is the real deal? >> it is ridiculous. it is sad you wouldn't be able to bring all of your family members with you. >> they sent a letter explaining why the student fee was imposed the one for $20. the cost of the event rises each year and with current budget restraints we are not longer able to cover all of the expenses of the program. that may be the case parents in the past have been able to get to the stadium on time and find any seat on a first come first serve basis. >> it will be interesting to see what people have to say about this one. >> time now to brew on this. it is the new time-out and it is called kid shaming. >> parents getting revenge on rebellious kids by posting pictures on-line of their children holding up signs confessing bad behavior. >> like look think oat this one. i like to sleek thriek the loud during the quietest parts of church. >> i've been stealing mom's energy drinks. >> we will post them on foxnews.com. we will share them later in the show. >> flooding is one of the deadliest disasters in the world. how can you survive being swept away if it happens to you? maria molina will show us how to 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rescue is in the united states people are swept away in vehicles or flash flood because they didn't see the warnings. >> the maryland fire department led by rescue 3 instructor mike berna is what gets people out alive. >> there is concern for flooding. >> here on the news we are preparing. it is all predictable for us. >> with water rescue teams our experts in everything from towing someone to shore with a rope to swimming after a victim. >> we performed the rescue because the person was too cold or hypothermic to accept a bag. >> using helicopters. doesn't matter how they rescue somebody dealing with moving water is never easy. for rescuers it always goes back to the basics. >> lay on your back and go. >> if i am being pushed into an obstruction i can use my feet to push or. >> you want to go to the right you are going to have the back of your head that way on a 45 degree angle in line with your body. if you want to come to the left keep back stroking. >> for victims following these tips could be deadly. >> you are being swept away the human brain says i want it all to stop. they put their feet down when you do that you become entr entrapped. >> in theory grabbing on to a nearby tree or rock seems like a good idea but in reality it is dangerous. >> many victims will grab and o. because the water is so powerful and relentless she will only be able to hang on for a little bit before she is swept away again. the first priority is to get to shore. >> the first thing you want to do is get out of that environment in i means you have of swimming get out. >> make sure to always see the warnings when they issued for information go to k fox and friends first. >> turn around don't drown. >> the time is 26 minutes after the top of the hour. coming up big storms like sandy could soon cost communities millions of dollars. it has nothing to do with damage. the reason the insurance companies could be taking your home town to court. this day back in 1873 levi strouss and jacob 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"fox & friends first" begins right now. ♪ ♪ here she comes she is a man eater. >> little hall and oats waking you up this morning with the american flag. right here on 6th avenue. welcome back to "fox and friends first". i am ainsley earhardt. >> i am heather childers. appreciate it as always. half past the top of the hour. we begin with va scandal. they have shown a commitment to veterans. new reports show the president has problems with the va years ago and did nothing. >> this as the va starts turning over the paperwork. >> what's the latest in this case. >> there may be some va foot dragging on this. they say they are going to have a congressional subpoena for documents pertaining to the delegation of mismanagement. the documents come close to some of the things they heard with va whistleblowers the administration is in real trouble especially if you look at the things that the former va doctors have said ladies and gentlemening some vess trans died because of mismanagement. >> the veteran system is so large that you have a layer of nurses technicians caring for people and you have bureaucracy administrative people. it is big. the doctors are not only trying to work you have to manipulate through this maze, this bow heem et bureaucracy. >> the white house says president obama is very angry about all of this. despite this revelation from the washington times and the fact that the obama transition team was warned before they took office the patient data was suspect they say he just learned about this allegation. >> you say there is bureaucracy give me the specific allegations out of phoenix. i will double check if that is not the case. >> statement we are learning more about the scope of this problem. they have a map showing all of the incidents of the alleged mismanagement on the part of the va. it is extensive. >> doug luzader live in washington. >> what a liar. that's what one family member of the 40 veterans who died waiting for treatment ask the phoenix va is calling president obama. a 71-year-old navy serviceman thomas green died battling bladder cancer. sean hannity asked them what they had to say to the president. >> if he called me tonight i would say you are a liar i don't trust you. if it was up to me i would fire him. i believe he is a part of it as well. he gave us nothing, nothing, all he wants to do is go on the mission and still continue to let the veterans die including my pop, and i don't like you very much mr. president. >> they're anger they echo what many families of veterans across the country are feeling. >> calls for the white house and president obama to help free the american marine in a mexican prison. sergeant andrew tomeresi who served two tours in afghanistan has been locked up over an apparent mistake. he made a wrong turn and the accident drove him to mexico with tree u.s. registered firearms. his mother got into the prison to see her son face to face. fox news was there when she came out of the prison and she had this message for the president. >> i told him about the white house.gov petition because that's the only hope i have that the white house with acknowledge that andrew is in prison. his commander-in-chief is president obama. so i p haven't heard from president obama, but america, if you could please sign the white house d house.gov petition i will get a response from the white house about andrew's fight for freedom. >> the petition has 23,000 signatures. >> that brings us to the look who's talking. it is clear he is suffering. secretary of state john kerry needs to take action. >> it is time this administration gets this you think i don't man back on some kind of treatment. the sergeant may be the only person the obama administration has ever kept from entering the united states from mexico if the state department is telling the truth and he is heading to mexico on wednesday he has already screwed up a foreign policy in iran, egypt, syria and ukraine. this is his chance to get it right. here's the instructions, john, bring the boy home. >> the marine's first court case in mexico is next wednesday. >> breaking overnight switching gears michael jake the star of the tv sheer res "the shield"" is detained by police following the shooting death of his wife. he called police himself saying he shot his wife. he is being questioned by authorities but has not yet been arrested. police say the couple's children were inside the house at the time of the shooting. >> this is a bizarre story. the state police is out of texas a naked man through a sun roof and attempted kidnapping. it is all caught on camera. >> he jumped into these people's car. >> could you hear the terrified victim? she was screaming as the naked man punches and coax her. she crashed into a utility poll the police were able to arrest that man. the women now traumatized. >> it is like a nightmare every time i close my eyes. >> the suspect nicholas dial has not yet been charged. he's getting medical treatment. >> they are in the country illegally so should illegal immigrants be allowed to serve in the military? the pentagon looking at expanding application tools by letting some illegals enlist. urban leading the charge for illegals who have taken advantage of the president's nondeportation order. only open to citizens legal citizen residents or current green card holders. >> oo maria molina is out of the flood waters and back in the studio. >> what can people expect? >> we have a storm system moving eastward. a little area further west across parts of colorado and nebraska. there's a small chance we could see storms forming this afternoon and during the evening hours. by wednesday that is more expansive across parts of western virginia, the state of west virginia and yet again across parts of the plains. a way to get the warnings today and tomorrow. there is a fire danger across parts of the southwest and warnings in effect. the temperatures right now are very mild. in the 70s in the city of dallas. what we are expecting this afternoon in minneapolis upper 707s and millddle 80s in chicag and upper 80s and also in the city of dallas. want to switch gears a little bit and show you this photograph which looks like an upside down smile and upside down rainbow. this is called a scircumvented ark. that's the technical name for it. this bounces off ice crystals. typically this occurred and we wouldn't be able to see it because it is so high up in the atmosphere because it would be blocked by the clouds. there is a photo of it upside down smile for you. >> a rain bow drops from the sky. >> you would hope so. >> looks so pretty this morning. >> that is amazing. >> get ready for climate change or get sued. a major insurance company suing municipal government in the chicago area saying they knew the risk poseed by climate change. should have been better prepared for massive flooding in april 2013. the damage was in the millions. it is the first of its kind suit. it could indicate a strategy by insurers for the pa iout. could the days of slathering on the sunscreen every few hours be over? 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>> the fbi taking down a cyber criminal organization which allowed hackers to steel private information from nearly half of a million computers worldwide. lori rothman is here with what you need to know. >> good morning, lori. >> good morning to you. 90 people from 19 different companies are in custody this morning for hacking into the computers of 700,000 people around the world including ms. teen usa. they announce sweeping arrests to explain hackers use cheap mal wear to hijack computers. in the case of miss teen usa take control of her web cam to take nude pictures and try to ex tort her. simple tips to protect yourself from criminals. make sure your anti virus software is high quality and up to date. avoid pass words and go with pass phrases instead they are easier to remember, too. invest in a removable hard drive and back up your files once a week. saves you a lot of cash. oo you can get tacos and burritos. just don't bring your gun. asked customers not to go to a restaurant. they took a gun into a dallas chipotle. caused a lot of anxiety for customers. >> mcdonald introducing a new mascot for happy meals. some people not too happy about it. the fast food chain calling this guy happy. the it is a healthy balanced meal for the kids. >> after posting this picture on twitter people responded to things like this. wants to go back to the drawing board. i think i am going to have nightmares. it is the meal that eats juice. burger king is dropping the habit. it is a tropical paradise, but you are not alone. >> miss america really knows how to showcase her smile. it turns out it could be money in the bank. what you could learn from the beauty queen about getting ahead at work. but first let's check in with brian kilmeade to see what's coming up on "fox & friends." >> how is it going ladies. you wear a crown at work you will be treated more special than the others. we will take that into account. i will think about it for tomorrow's wardrobe. let me show you what's on our show. laura ingram isser hasn't. dr. van carson is here he joins us on the kirby couch. he may or may not run for the president's seat he never wanted to but might have to. more than 10,000 toddlers on adhd drugs. is this safe for kids? and did any one ask them. a warning for parents. a california mayor tells bullying victims to grow a pair. he joins us. plus the commencement speaker with the inspirational message you have to hear. all coming up on "fox & friends." please kr[ñwatch. life with crohn's disease or ulcerative colitis is a daily game of "what if's". what if my abdominal pain and cramps come back? what if the plane gets delayed? what if i can't hide my symptoms? what if? but what if the most important question is the one you're not asking? what if the underlying cause of your symptoms is damaging inflammation? for help getting the answers you need, talk to your doctor and visit crohnsandcolitisinfo.com to get your complimentary q&a book, with information from experts on your condition. nine minutes till the top of the hour. we go to thailand there. army there declaring martial law, the streets now filled with armed soldiers. the army claiming the move to preserve law and order following six months of political unrest. they insist that a cue is not under -- that a coup is not underway. the move one day after type land's acting prime minister insisted he will not resign. nuclear waste apparently is leaking into the ground in new mexico posing a, quote, substantial threat to public health. the cause of the leak? organic kitty litter. officials say a waste was caused by a chemical reaction between kitty liter used to soak up waste and radioactive debris, contaminating 22 workers. data, pirates of the caribbean. if you've ever been to the bahamas, the n.s.a. could have recorded your phone calls and stored them for a month and the bahamian government didn't know about it. according to edward snowden it is part of program to locate international terrorists and drug smugglers. >> students from harvard launching proton mails which has requirements similar to e-mail platforms used by edward snowden. it hides your information when an e-mail is being sent from one in box to another. >> do you have what it takes to tangle with a man like house of cards frank underwood? >> for those of us climbing to the top of the food chain there can be no mercy. there is but one move. hunt or be hunted. >> if so, there is an open casting call for the show's upcoming third season. one of the top roles? director of the n.s.a. the baltimore-based casting agency looking for men and women aged 45 to 55. >> he's no angel. one baseball fan going to extremes to catch a foul ball. >> and parents sharing their baby's bad behavior on the web. is it all in good fun or just plain mean? just plain mean? your comments up next. you, my friend are a master of diversification. who would have thought three cheese lasagna would go with chocolate cake and ceviche? the same guy who thought that small caps and bond funds would go with a merging markets. it's a masterpiece. thanks. clearly you are type e. you made it phil. welcome home. now what's our strategy with the fondue? diversifying your portfolio? e*trade gives you the tools and resources to get it right. are you type e*? have your next burger with a side of awesome. the one-of-a-kind, creamy blend of sweet and tangy. miracle whip and proud of it. two minutes till the top of the hour. before you leave the house here's what's happening today. nearly two million pounds of meat recall. beef that is. after 11 people in four states get sick with e. coli. the meat was sent to restaurants in ohio, michigan, missouri and massachusetts. it's primary tuesday in six states. voters heading to the polls in georgia, pennsylvania, arkansas, and oregon. a california man arriving in new york today to prepare for his triple crown. >> time for the good, the bad, and the ugly. up first the good. small tweets of your smile can help you land a big promotion according to a body language expert from oxford and keeping your eyebrows level while smiling make you look powerful while lowering your head a bit makes you seductive. >> a yacht capsizes as it is being delivered to its owner. the ugly, a woman crushed by an angels fan trying to catch a foul ball. she catches her shoulder in pain while the fan high five's those around him. >> kid shaming, the latest trend hitting the internet. parents getting revenge on their kids by having them hold up a sign for their rebellious behavior. >> parents think it is cute but way over the top. ashley say as long as they are fun and innocent, they are hilarious. dean says too far. i learned in the military, praise in public, reprimand in private. thanks to everyone who responded. >> we appreciate, as always. we will see you tomorrow. >> we will. "fox & friends" starts right now. bye. good morning. it's tuesday, may 20. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. happening now, he played a cop on the hit show "the shield," but this morning he is the one in cuffs. the show's star arrested after his wife was found shot dead. this developing story and details straight ahead. >> veterans across the country left to die while waiting for care they were promised but how did the president of the united states, commander in chief, find out about the scandal? >> i believe that we learned about this through the reports. i will double check if that's not the case. but that's when we learned about them. >> oh, he saw it on tv? if it wasn't for the press, what would he know is going on in his

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live on. thanks to everyone who responded. someone here made a good point. they're called food stamps for a reason. >> we hope you have a great weekend. thanks for joining us. have a great day. we'll see you on monday. "fox & friends" starts right now. bye. good morning. it is friday, mayç 9, 2014. i'm elisabeth hasselbeck. seven democrats breaking rank and approving a select committee to get answers on benghazi, but will the others choose to boycott? probably not. but they aren't interested in answers and we're going to tell you what they do want instead. >> and welcome to the hotel sharia? the guy who owns the iconic beverly hills hotel adopted the brutal sharia law that says it's okay to stone people to death. now the biggest names in tinsel town are calling for a boycott of the beverly hills hotel. >> even they can't take it anymore. guys, does this sound familiar? >> the bathroom is a mess! you should probably go work out! >> it turns out your wife'sç nagging -- he seems to be chronicling her nagging -- might be killing you even though she is 100% right. i want to find out if elisabeth nags. >> we mean well. >> she has not nagged on the set so far. by the way, we're running out of music that sounds like another planet. so mornings are better with friends. >> hi, this is kenny loggins on the curvy couch. you're watching "fox & friends." >> and we're footloose on this friday. thank you as we conclude the birthday week for brian kilmeade, youç will see more pictures of the activities. it's lovable about you because all the attention makes you a little self-conscious. >> i can't wait for this week to be over. now everybody knows my name. >> did you get a haircut? >> i got a haircut on monday. it's friday. you haven't seen much of me really. >> somebody else is doing your hair. >> do you get a haircut before your birthday every year? is it a routine? >> it is a tradition i haven't tapped into. it is just a coincidence. but we have a best-up package. last night the nfl draft ended about midnight right across the street. we'll discuss that in a little while. but first a benghazi panel. >> new news today comingç in. an update here. it's been plus 20 months, four americans killed and zero accountability here. the house voted yesterday to establish a benghazi committee. all the republicans voted yes. seven democrats broke with their party in a vote of 232-186. we're going to look at who the party breakers are. >> it looks like the same people who voted for the lois lerner investigation and what not. the makeup will be of this new committee, is going to be seven republicans and five democrats. republicans are going toç announce perhaps as early as today who is going to be on their side of the aisle. meanwhile, the democrats going to meet at 9:30 this morning to decide whether or not to have anybody out there. and as it turns out, in the last couple of days, remember on monday we were talking about how adam schiff from california, the democrat, said we shouldn't have anybody there. this is completely bogus. it's all been settled. >> a waste of time he said. >> yes. the democrats now see some utility in seeing somebody on the panel and plus if we don't have anybody there, who is going to protect hillary? >> they should have one guy there to get into the meetings to get access. i guess they'll have a the inside and somebody to ask questions. >> they certainly don't want to leave hillary clinton, should she be brought in to testify defenseless, the irony being they're going to ask her why four americans were left defenseless and left to die. when you look at the americans here, there is one christen cinema from arizona. nancy pelosi seeming to back off her initial strategy to completely protest in favor of defending. >> one house democrat aide said they don't want to have a moment like whenç senator joe mccarthy was being chastised during his investigation of communist activities. they need a wingman in case one of their people winds up starting to look bad. a lot of people looking in are happy this is finally happening. a lot of people on the other side of the aisle said we figured it out already. let the chips fall where they may. let truth be their guide. had the white house, as we learned last week, as the white house not started pinning from the get go we probably wouldn't be here if they would have leveled with people. now we'll find out. >> there will be a meeting today. the one good thing is mass media will cover it more than likely if you have democrats playing a role, as it's easy to marginalize even if great things and interesting things areç taking place if it is just one party hammering a group of people. >> charles krauthammer wrote an incredible article saying this should not be political. truth should supercede partisan politics. >> a lot of people fly out to hollywood and stay at the beverly hills hotel. it is iconic. as it turns out, it is owned by the dorchester collection of fantastic, very expensive hotels. in the last week, it's interesting, theirç owner, the sultan of brunei has introduced islamic laws where if you're gay or you are an adulterer, they will stone you to death. >> some of the great things about sharia law, the way they treat women, the way they punish people, these are all the things that maybe a single american can relate to. because of that, i was heartened to see this -- because of that you have a-list celebrities canceling up to 20 events at the beverly hills hotel in protest of the way they treat women, the way they treat gays. >> not just canceling but calleding others. for a boycott here. you have)jay. it's going to get heated. >> who wants to support a company that supports sharia law? come on! nobody! that's crazy. it is apparently out in california there is a lot of pressure on dorchester collection. you've got to sell that thing. this is iconic. it's part of the hollywood and beverly hills fabric of history. sell it to anybody else who is not involved in sharia law. >> they're begging to keep in mind there are a lot of employees. you probably don't like the taliban. >> did they buy hotels? >> we don't know. they lost about $2 million in protests so far. if everyone continues to rally, if everyone continues to take note, i think this could make an impact. >> we wanted to update you on that and so much more. that's how we get started. in the meantime let's turn it over to heather nauert who tells us about more bad news at the veterans administration hospital. >> a big update to bring you. the secretary of veterans affairs has been subpoenaed by congress. the veterans affairs committee voted to subpoena eric shinseki over the phoenix v.a. scandal. the goal is to get e-mails and ote[ documents about that alleged scheme we told you about that involved treatment delays that may have killed as many as 40 of our veterans. the white house still supports shinseki but lawmakers say he has got to go. listen to this. >> in his six years in secretary, there is no time left. if you can't change an agency in a fraction of that time, you're not going to do it in a year or more. that is the really sad truth. it is not that he isn't a good man. it is that he failed. >> there are new accusations this morning of similar scenes taking place at v.a. hospitals in texas and in colorado. we'll keepç watching that story. that's an important one. here is what not to do on a dating show. admit that you killed your first wife. [inaudible] >> here is what happened. that man confessed to murdering not just his wife but another lover with an ax. he said he spent four years behind bars for killing his wife and six years behind bars for killing the other gal. he says right now he's an honest guy just looking for a new wife. the producers say they knew the guy killed someone when they let him on the show. producerrers; right? produce) on a turkish dating show that was called "luck of the draw." wow. we do love our producers. then there is this story: the show must go on. four days after nine performers plunged 30 feet to the ground, ringling brothers is back up for business. there are eight scheduled shows through sunday. many of those injured performers remain in the hospital. that human chandelier stunt will not be performed again. you can see it right there. sad news to bring you this morning. the man behind tony the tiger has died. >>ç frosty flakes, it's part of a balanced breakfast. >> they're great! >> that's lee marshal. he began voicing the frosted flakes mascot years ago. he died of cancer in his esophagus. lee marshal was 64 years old. and those are your headlines. >> an iconic voice. heather, thank you very much. >> what about your quiz -- your quisp? >> speaking of the voice, let's talk a little bit about the voice of your spouse. when you close your eyes, can you hear that person nagging you? does it drive you to scream? as it turns out the university of copenhagen followed 10,000 men and women for a decadeç and discovered that if your spouse is a nagger, there is a real good chance you're going to die early. >> because women talk to other women -- >> you're pointing at her. don't point at her. >> it works both ways, brian. >> no it doesn't because men don't have a network of people to talk to. you forced all our friends away. so we're forced to deal with just the voice -- women have a network of friends to deal with and get all this off their chest. >> maybe that guy on the dating show wasç nagged. 2.5 times more likely to die are men within ten years and women are 34% more likely to die if they're nagged with increased risk of strokes and heart disease. this is serious stuff. >> it is. wasn't king solomon in proverbs who said it would be better to be stranded on a desert island than to be married to a nagging woman? >> king solomon said that? >> i think i skipped that page. >> i think it was king kong. maybe men should just listen to what women are saying and do what we're told. >> define nag. >> constantly saying the same thing over and over. >> what about listening? does that hurt wives? >> aç little charlie brown speech. i think the problem is -- it applies to both sexes. if you feel like you're being nagged you've got to talk to the other person. otherwise you're going to internalize it and the next thing you know, you'll blow a heart valve. >> men need more guy's nights out to build up that network of friends to allow them to alleviate some of the stress they're keeping locked up inside. >> thou shalt not studies for your own benefit. >> it isç a good idea if your wife does ask you to do something about three or four times, if you're not doing it, she's going to keep repeating. >> message to women: if we haven't done it after three or four times, move on to the next topic. >> give us some advice. if you've got a nagger at your house or you figured out how to deal with a nagger, let us know. friends@foxnews.com. >> that will go well for your friday night date night. >> on the national television morning show they read out your e-mails. >> this comes from bill wilson in florida. >> coming up on this friday, imagine seeing this on your drive to work today. cars nearlyç swallowed up after the road collapsed underneath them. >> weed is still legal under federal law, so should colorado be letting pot shops in on their banking business? stuart varney here on that. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ why do results matter so much? it's probably because they are the measurement of everything we do. for a wireless company, results come down to coverage speed and legendary reliability. so go ahead, stream, game or video chat. that's why verizon built americas largest 4g lte network. because the only thing that really matters are the results you get. so for the best devices the best network and for best results, use verizon. ♪ (vo) oh. my. tongue. finally. 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[ male announcer ] ask your doctor about lyrica today. it's specific treatment for diabetic nerve pain. to hear more of karen's story, visit lyrica.com. >> colorado's blazing marijuana industry now getting theç world's first financial system devoted to the pot business. but since selling marijuana is still illegal under federal law, is the government essentially legitimizing these transactions by allowing their own banking system? let's talk to the host of "varney and company" stuart varney. the weed business in the great state of colorado, a half million in january, almost five million. you asked? >> is colorado legitimizing the pot business? the answer of course is yes. that's exactly what they are doing. they are legitimizing it. they are creating financial infrastructure for this brand-new business. as you say, the feds,ç the big banks, they can't accept all this money. >> it's federally illegal. >> it's federally illegal and the banks don't want to give the obama team an excuse to crack down on the banks by saying you're dealing in drug money there, boys, we're going to hit you hard. so they've got to come up with an alternative. and they have. >> and the thing about -- and the reason we put that graphic up a moment ago is to show you we're talking about millions and millions of dollars largely in cash. you know, there's a safety issue. i get that. but at the same time it is like what are they going to do? because they've got this carvingout in colorado, tzey've got to figure out what to do with the money. >> it's all about the money. the politicians want to set up an alternative financial structure because of the tax money coming in. nearly $5 million walked into the door in pot shops in the month of, i think it was march. that doesn't include all the money that comes in from pot tourism which is pretty robust in colorado. that. >> people fly into colorado because they want to smoke marijuana recreationally and legally. there is a cottage industry organizing tourists to fly in, toke up and away you go. i think that is the correct expression, ladies and gentlemen. what colorado is doing with its alternate banking system -- and that's what they're setting up here, that is the template khr-l be used across the coqáry if recreational marijuana extends beyond colorado. in washington state in july they will need a similar alternate banking system. they will probably copy what colorado has come up. they are legitimizing it. >> absolutely. some of the banks, because they've got federal regulations they are reluctant to get in bed with the pot business. >> it's here. they're going to make money with it. >> stuart varney, you can check him out on the fox business channel between 11 and 1:00. thank you very much. have a good we= ahead, they put their lives on the line, some even paying the ultimate sacrifice. don't our military members deserve more than a minimum wage? plus it's not your grandpa's boy scout troop. now these young boys and girls are designing and flying their own robots. anna kooiman here to tell us all about that. the boy scouts of the future. ♪ ♪ quick headlines now. the navy wants to exempt on base fast food workers from the president's federal minimum wage increase. they will make a public plea today echoing fears from around the country that raising the pay rate will force the restaurant out of business. republican senator marco rubio visiting new hampshire, his first stop in an early voting state in more than a year. so far rubio keeping quiet on his prospects so i should whisper thisç story. >> it's out of the bag. it used to be as a boy scout the coolest thing you could learn was to build a camp fire. >> now the scouts are learning to build robots. anna kooiman is here to tell us how they're doing. >> yes. they are evolving with the times. the boy scouts of america say 75% of america's fastest growing careers require significant cowork in s, but 15% of kids aren't ready so they're trying to bridge that gap and even allowing some girls in on the action. watch this. >> reporter: robots, you see them in the movies and in the headlines. but now the boy scouts aviation explorers are getting their hands on the technology of the future. you built this yourself? here at the illinois math and scienceç academy students from 6th through 12th grade can design, build and maneuver their own quad copter. while they love for the robots to do their homework for them, quad copters like these are being used in real life situations. >> we're already seeing them used as surveillance vehicles, as delivery vehicles, patrol vehicles, aerial mapping. and i think the future is unlimited. >> the program is preparing kids for careers in involved in sciengj-dw and technology. what kid wouldn't think it is cool to fly a quad copter. >> it drives up your [inaudible] that is what we need. boys will be boys. >> if you crash, don't worry about it. don't sweat it. we're here to leave. robotics is teaching science, tepl, engineering and math. thatr#hpá we need. >> and think being a scout is just for boys? think again. we bring as much to the table as guys do. i want to work on building an app for my phone. >> this is cool because someday i can use this to make a change. >> these kids are fantastic. what skpaoeuts us -- ex-sites us is when they see what the quad copter will do they are thinking of things we never thought of. >> folks at home if you're interested in being part ofç an aviation exploring club visit "fox & friends".com. >> can you get a merit badge? 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♪ ♪ >> take a look at this. it's your shot of the morning caught on camera. two nearly naked groomsmen in australia running into the ocean right there. you know why? they're trying to save a fisherman. the wedding party saw the boat overturned near some rocks while they were posing for some pictures. without hesitation the groomsmen started running toward the water stripping their suits in the process. >> they were able to pull the fisherman to safety. he's okay. the groomsmen wentç back to pictures wearing only their underwear with a few bridal bouquets located in strategic shots. >> that's great. >> good for them. it is now 27 minutes before the top of the hour. we have a very busy friday, and heather has got some troubling news from those sterlings. >> yes. we're hearing more from the sterlings. there is an alleged new report from the l.a. clippers own donald sterling reacting to the scandal that earned him a lifetime ban from the nba. listen to a clip of this. >> you think i'm a racist? you think i have anything in the world but love for everybody? you don't think that. you know i'm not a racist.ç >> the nba banned and fined him millions of dollars for that racist rant during a conversation he had with his girlfriend, and other owns are trying to fast track a forced sale of that team, but sterling not going down without a fight. listen to this. >> they're trying to force you to sell it. >> you can't force someone to sell property in america. >> oh yes they can. in the meantime, sterling's estranged wife says she doesn't want to control the team but does want to keep her 50% stake and buy her husband's half too. teachers and a principal at a philadelphia elementary school were so desperateç to make themselves look good that they helped their students cheat on standardized tests. core papers from 2007 to 2012 say that they allegedly told students to record test answers on scrap paper so their work could be checked later. those inflated scores leading to raises and promotions for the teachers. >> kids and parents trust these people to do their job, and here's what they do. >> five educators now face criminal charges. we'll keep watching that story. unsuspecting drivers nearly get swallowed up by a huge sink hole in russia. look at this at the top of your screen. amazingly all the drivers seemed to have noticed it and so they were able to drive around it. eventually thatç asphalt caved in and created a hole big enough to swallow a couple of cars. there is a driver in boston who was busted for putting his dummy in the passenger's seat in order to use the high occupancy vehicle car pool lane. a state trooper pulled him over, he found the man mannequin head propped up and the officer then gave him aç ticket. creepy. >> he got to work faster. where's maria? >> she's outside. >> that's right, i'm outside hanging out in new york city. it was raining earlier this morning. that has stopped now and we have areas of dense fog. we're probably going to be seeing delays at the airports in the northeast. across parts of the gulf coast, parts of the state of tennessee and up into the midwest we are expecting to see areas of heavy rain over the next several days. even over the weekend, even mother's day and some areas along the gulf coast could potentially pick up to six inches of rain. that's going to be a concern in terms of flooding and of course it is severe weather season so we expect more severe weather from parts of"tam into indiana. it continues on saturday, a little bit more localized from missouri and northeastern portions of the state of oklahoma and eastern kansas. by sunday very widespread again from texas up into parts of illinois. i want to take you to the rockies because out here we have a tropic setting up. that means an area of low pressure. look at the forecast from sunday into monday. snow. th*erb -- they're expecting snow from the valley floor and a few inches possible in denver. some moms not going to be too happy in colorado. >> that was maria doing the weather. let's talk about sports and the big event across the last night was a big night for the nfl. it was draft day. >> with the first pick in the 2014 nfl draft, the houston texans select jadavian clowny. >> went to the houston texans. >> who were the other picks? here is rich "big daddy" delgado. >> the word is in the building there is a sense it is not coming back next year. the draft is going on the road. >> looks like l.a., chicago, obviously jerry jones. >> like the super bowl. the big news, clowny, no surprise numberç one? >> no surprise. when you have an athlete like that, they only come around so many or so. you have to take him. you don't have to worry about two defensive ends that can bring the end. >> what about johnny football? >> they needed a quarterback. it took a little bit longer but he's in a good place. >> number 22 taken by the cleveland browns. at the last minute it looked like the vikings were moving up to take him but browns said not so fast. is this a guy that can put people in the seat? >> absolutely. >> tell us about nike. >> he was anç adidas. nike, underarmour. he sells jerseys. >> tweeting, he's through the roof. >> who wouldn't look at that. what to you was the biggest surprise? >> bridgewater going so far. >> he was on two days ago. >> he had a bad pro day and everybody made aig deal because he didn't wear a glove. if you watch the film and those games he won, that guy's an athlete. he knows how to win. >> last year he was more valuable than this year. >> he went to minnesota and the guy who is the o.c. there is norv turner. norv turner knows how to coachç quarterbacks. >> we've seen that happen before, they don't get drafted when we thought they would and come back. >> absolutely. being the second round, the names that are going to go today, those are going to be the core guys because there's some guys that didn't go last night that will go today, and those guys are going to be players. >> a lot of people listen to us in florida, blake portals will put some people in the seats there. >> absolutely. those tarps that cover the seats and make the stadium look full, those will come down because you've got a big constituted quarterback that won%t@5jñ big stud quarterback that won't play right away but people will come. >> and watkins. >> doug marone says we go as our quarterback goes. >> you're our party quarterback and it's great you went to the draft last night. thanks for the post game show. 20 minutes before the hour. will you be able to handle a job that requires this. >> basically 24 hours a day, seven days a week, no vacation. in fact, thanksgiving, christmas, new years and holidays, the workload is going to go up. >> it is the hardest job in the planet. can you guess what that job is? 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>> well, we believe at american greetings, fathers deserve to be recognized like mothers. we will invite to you wait and see. >> i'm sure you do. >> brian is arguing that being a father is the hardest thing. >> right. and i did it off cam are hoping not to bring it up to a national audience. in the big picture, moms should feel is a lieutenanted by -- saluted by this, correct? >> absolutely. this was all shared content. we're up to 18 million views because the moms were the velocity behind sharing it. >> it's a win-win. thank you for joining us. and it's a great message with american greetings. thanks so much. >> thank you. coming up, they put their lives on the line for this nation. so how do we thank them? we're about to take away their right to smoke cigarettes. is that true? >> and kids have invaded our control room. that's right. there is a good reason. how you can use your children to lose weight. >> they're being used? i think they're having the time of their lives scott: hello! nbr: scott - we're concerned. you just fed your lawn earlier this spring and now you're at it again. scott: (chuckles) indeed, a crucial late spring feeding helps defend the grass against the summer heat to come. nbr: we knew that - right guys? 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probably not. but they aren't interested in answers. we'll tell what you they do want instead. a veteran affected by the v.a. scandal is speaking out. >> i'm just like i don't want to die because of some waiting list like other men have. >> another whistle blower and saying it's not just phoenix. >> meet the democrat who wants you to be able to use food stamp s to buy firearms. not kidding. #fridays arebetterwithfriends. >> it's time for "fox & friends" ♪ ♪ everybody dance now ♪ give me the music ♪ give me the music ♪ . >> hello, with your little guy. >> so many times women are like, i don't have any time to go work out. you do them together. >> you work it in with the kid. >> there you go. that's the whole theme. what's the thing with putting them with the most ex opinionsive equipment in the building. i think anything could spill, things could come flying out. >> so it will be an exciting final two hours. >> that's right. meanwhile, also later today -- okay so yesterday, eric cantor said we need this benghazi panel because the administration has not cooperated. they've stonewalled, redacted information. this could be the only way we figure out what happened after benghazi and leading up to it. we do know that it looks like the members of the republican side, there are going to be seven. they are going to perhaps be announced this later today, there will be five democrats. democrats will meet at 9:30 this morning behind closed doors to figure out whether or not they should show up. what's interesting is when they had this great big housewide vote, all the republicans voted for it and seven democrats voted for it, too. so it was indeed bipartisan. >> all these name you see here happen to be in states, in situations that are heavily republican. so i'm not saying they're insincere in their vote. i'm saying it's politically savio for them to vote for this panel. i say you take those men and women, pick five and put them on the panel because they are sincerely looking for answer when is it comes to benghazi as opposed to other people that might be there just to obstruct. >> remember the initial strategy was to boycott. we heard nancy pelosi say why are we talk being this? we've heard people suggest that this is just a waste of time when it comes to democrats and the perspective and looking at it again, 20 months later, four people dead, no answers. they are now going to strategically as it seems, place their reps there in order to possibly protect hillary, which she will be called to testify. >> in fact, the democrats, given the fact this in the beginning they were saying, let's not have anybody show up, now democrats see the utility in having people on the panel. elijah cummings, waxman spoke in favor of appointing democrats and they did mention hillary would probable will he be testifying and -- probably be testifying and also said susan rice would be testifying. so they wanted -- and they talked about rosa delaro who said, i'm not so sure this is a legitimate committee, but maybe we should have one person, just have one person who has got our back. >> all right. so we'll discuss it. we'll find out today at least. this is not going to be waiting over the weekend. they'll be meeting again at 9:00 o'clock in the morning and maybe put those name out and hopefully we'll got this panel going. we would like to see some of those who were on the ground that night and able to talk for the first time. if you can get them in fronts of that panel where we do not know the answers but we can ask legitimate questions on what it was like surviving that attack, that would be compelling. we have not seen that. admiral mullen didn't see that. ambassador pickering didn't see this. >> i want to hear from some white house people. it looks like the spin started there. >> perhaps it did. i think the important note is right questions and getting answers. let the decision be what it is based on truthful facts. the guy who runs veterans affairs, general shenseki, has been subpoenaed. he's got the support of the white house. john boehner said yesterday, it's a problem that is systemic and just replacing the guy at the top isn't going to fix things. what we're learning now is it's not just in phoenix where we heard about the situation where maybe 40 veterans died because they were on some made up waiting list. now apparently a scheduling clerk, 40-year-old government employee is seeking whistle blowing protection. apparently they've got a situation where this looks like they're gotting to people quickly in san antonio and austin. so it is systemic. >> what happens if you're a veteran and you're supposed to get medical attention? you got 14 days to get an appointment. they've been putsing in false records and stringing out people that are in their last legs or deemed to be someone barely hanging on and essentially are on a death list. i thought it would be arizona and colorado. now it seems to have spread to texas. which makes you wonder what, could general shenseki say to keep his job next week? here with more is an arizona veteran. >> i thought at least one thing i have i can depend upon was my country to take care of me when i get older. i never knew i was going to get this. cancer. i'm just like i don't want to die because of some waiting list like other men have. >> gosh, they risk their life going to battle for us and then here, hearts-researching to hear that their biggest fight is to stay alive under the system as it is in the v.a. >> it is so wrong. we're supposed to take care of these guys, yet the government is turning their backs on them and making stuff up. in the meantime, let's turn to heather nauert who we can counts on with the headlines. we start with a deadly house fire. >> that story we told but yesterday. we have an update for you in florida. now new developments in the deadly house fired at james blake's house in tampa. investigators are saying that all four family members had been shot. there was a gun that was recovered inside that home and it was actually reject sistered to the father -- registered to the father. police say they are now investigating the possibility of a murder-suicide. there is new surveillance video that we're getting in. it shows this, campbell buying $600 worth of fireworks on sunday and he paid in cash. he also bought several gas cans. we'll keep you posted on the details. here is what not to do on a dating show. it's not a good idea to admit you killed your first wife. okay. this was on a turkish dating show. that 62-year-old man also confessed to murdering another lover. this time with an ax. he says he spent four years behind bars for killing his wife and then another six years behind bars for killing the girlfriend. he says he's an honest guy who is looking for a new wife. oh, boy. would you believe him? the producers apparently knew that he had killed someone when they let him on the show. this again on turkish tv show. the iron i don't here if the show is called "luck of the draw." that's one you don't want to draw. while you were sleeping, new details about the mass kidnapping in nigeria. the government there now naming the names of more than 50 of the young girls who have escaped their kidnappers. this is considered a controversial move because the girls could now face a stigma from other groups in that area. the terror group boko haram abducted 300 girls. the girls were likely split up and sent to neighboring countries by now. here are bravest dogs you will hear. two bulldogs breaking through their enclosure when they saw giant black bear stroll to a bird feeder in their yard. look at this right there. isn't that amazing? they surround the bear and the stand-off lasts a few seconds. the bear seems to consider his options and then he runs off. way to go, bulldogs. that happened in new hampshire. >> it's like a cartoon. did that really happen? was this a machine in a bear suit -- was this a man in a bear suit? >> i would like to hear from witnesses. >> thank you, heather. speaking of new hampshire -- >> bears travel in packs. >> wolves travel in packs. >> why are bears always alone. joel, do you know? >> e-mail us if you have the answer. >> do you have a couple of sleeping bear hibernating in the same cave, it gets noisy. >> if you know why bears travel alone, please let's us know. >> she was just talking about new hampshire. up in new hampshire, there is a democrat, tim organ is in the state house. it's interesting, they're considering legislation where you can't use your food stamp money for guns, foe back co, booze, lottery tickets, adult entertainment, tattoos or body piercing. this guy says wait a minute. maybe -- listen to this -- maybe you should be able to use it to buy a gun. >> the firearms ban is a blatant violation of the second amendment. presumably you have the same rights to purchase guns like the rest of us for sporting or self-defense. they do have the right under the second amendment to do so. >> he actually said the inclusion of officials seemed ironic. we want to know your thoughts on this. >> food stamps are for food. >> right. i'll either get a bazooka gun or gum. you make the choice, honey. >> what happens when you runoff money for food? >> right. >> are you going to take the gun and rob a store? >> should i get something to eat oar get more ammo? >> there was the story of a woman who couldn't get dog food with her card. so raising a lot of brows. send us a post and let us know. >> let me tell you what's coming up next. we just told you that only seven democrats voted for the select committee to get answers on benghazi. the others meeting this morning. will they boycott? one of them is here when we come back. and do you ever catch yourself talking to yourself? you're not nuts. in fact, it might be a sign of something pretty good. >> exactly. >> i wonder what she means by that. >> no idea. ♪ ♪ (vo) oh. my. tongue. finally. 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let's ask one of the representatives, jerry connally. you voted against having it, but now that you have it, where do you stand? what will be your sense this morning when you meet with other democrats on whether they should participate in this? >> thanks for having me, brian. yeah. i did vote against it because i don't know that we need a select committee. we've had four committees in the house and other committees in the senate looking at benghazi since it occurred. but i think the answer to your question is frankly going to be two things. one is what happens in our caucus this morning in terms of the nature of the discussion and where we're going to head and the second is the rules of engagement. what kind of procedures are going to be in place to ensure minority rights, that we have equitable representation in the deliberations and in the decision making of such a select panel. >> so you want to make sure you have enough time to ask the questions of whatever witnesses are forward, you want lead time to know who they were, access to prior to their testimony? >> those are some of them, yes. i would add to that, though, strict rules of engagement in terms of fair play. so we get to have our witnesses as well. we are consulted with and have some say over the issuance of subpoenas. i'm on the oversight and government reform committee and frankly those minority rights have been completely trampled over and if that's the experience, there is no way democrats want to repeat that with a select committee. >> cummings is push to go make democrats participate in this and he's a guy we always see next to darrell issa sometimes in a contentious way. that would indicate maybe that that's something you guys should do. >> obviously we have to weigh carefully whether we're at the table or not at the table. the republicans have clearly pretty much on a party line vote. you have emphasized seven democrats, but that's pretty much a party line vote. they created a select committee in rather rushed fashion. the question is, are we better off being at the table to try to make sure it's a balanced approach and that will be determined at our caucus meeting this morning. >> we'll got an answer today and thanks so much for previewing that. let's ask you about the irs investigation. lois lerner is held in contempt. six democrats voted in favor of contempt and 26 in favor of a special council to investigate it. when she stood up and took the fifth about targeting tea party groups, you knew somebody would happen. where do you stand on this? >> you know, i think actually conservatives need to be concerned about the issue of fifth amendment rights. the fifth amendment was there not for angels, but to protect all americans, innocent and guilty from self-incrimination. it's one of ten enumeratessed rights in the bill of rights. and we have to take that very, very seriously. i think case law no matter what you think of lois lerner, case law is very clear here. she did not waive her fifth amendment right. even though we'd like to get her testimony. >> even though she made those statements prior you don't feel that way. >> it's not a matter of how i feel. it's a matter of case law addressing exactly that example. >> having said that. as an american, does it bother you in 2013, 14, i don't care who is in power, that the irs is using their power perhaps to target any group? i thought this would be one time in which democrats and republicans were equally outraged. >> actually when we began this process, we were. unfortunately, the republican majority then took it off to try to make it a political partisan effort to try to damage the president. it didn't work. the president got reelected. yeah. we don't want to see the irs -- we didn't like it when nixon used it. >> all right. congressman, always great to talk to you. thanks so much. hopefully we'll get something positive out of today's meeting. >> thank you. coming up, they helped him in the white house twice. so why are unions turning on the president today? we'll find out. plus, you just heard them join me this this segment. babies are invading our studio. how you can use your children to lose weight. ♪ ♪ get all your favorites all day, everyday. olive garden's signature favorites, just $10 including creamy fettuccine alfredo, and our classic lasagna. plus unlimited soup or salad and warm breadsticks. signature favorites, just $10 all week long, at olive garden. okay, kids. i've got the headlines. everybody be quiet. like that's going to help. headlines now from the military world. the navy wants to exempt on-base fast food workers from the president's federal wage increase. the navy will make a plea, echoing fears from around the country that raising the pay rate will force the fast food restaurants out of business and the pentagon wants to force our military members to stop smoking congressman huntser is fighting back. >> if you want to make us all healthy, let's outlaw war because war is really dangerous. >> meanwhile, the marine turned law maker getting an amendment passed that would stop the pentagon's plans to ban the sale of tobacco. kids, good job. thank you very much for being quiet. elisabeth, over to you. >> we're just working out here. you can never use the excuse of i'm too busy with my kids to work out 'cause this morning we're going to show you how it use your kids to lose weights. that's right. that's when nicky fitness did it herself. after her son jack was born, she's the creator of baby booty camp and joining me now with great tips for moms and dads alike. you're going to watch us through some moves. >> those mother's day and moms are happy when they work out and babies are happy when they're working out. so i partnered with huggies. baby help to work out. >> kids are ready to move and the moms are ready to move. we're going to try some of these out. >> we want to get the kids involved as well as the moms. you can do a plie' squat. the baby's feet are going to touch the floor and jump. my son loves this. up and down. and then after you work your legs, then we're going to turn the babies around to face you to work your arms overhead and squat. this is the beauty of moms right here because we don't hear the screaming. >> then you put the baby's legs against your lunge and overhead. then the baby jumps off your other leg and overhead. on my dvd, my son never really likes to just be jiggled or shakes when he was fussy. he wanted me to do lunges and squats. >> so as they got bigger you can extend the move. >> as they get bigger, you get stronger 'cause they get heavier. >> can i say did you a great job helping mommy work out today? oh, my goodness. >> so you hold the arm and leg and work your obliques. your hips are forward, making sure not to lean forward to precontinuing your bike. this is for baby. they'll be able to do flips flid somersaults. >> you like to ride up and down? >> a roller coaster for baby and mom gets stronger as the baby gets heavier. i did this from about four months until my baby was about two. then he was walking and running away from me. that was my new workout. >> and you can do races and obstacle courses. it's great to start really young with them and great for mom to feel better about themselves. you have something special for the moms today? >> all the moms have my baby booty camp dvd, a gift from my gym, and huggies diapers for a whole month. >> that's great gift. thank you. >> thank you so much. steve? >> we don't hear the sounds here, but we're awfully fit. >> precious. are you as happy as can be? >> good job, ladies! very nice. all right. coming up, is senator marco rubio weighing a 2016 run? 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>> yeah. and then you find out how much they're really being nagged. is that correct? >> they're not going to say, hi, i want to you meet my wife. she nags me nonstop. >> a study came out that nagging can kill you. men are more like low to die from nagging within ten years and women 34% more likely to die with increased risk of stroke, heart disease. and they were asked these questions that really had these researchers finding their immune systems were completely sabotaged by nagging. >> that's right. so when you close your eyes, do you hear the teacher from charlie brown? is it just a constant kind of nagging? >> yeah. is that a problem for you? we asked you for e-mail. we got a ton. >> that's right. >> by the way, you know how you define nagging? excesstive demands from partners, family or those living nearby. not adequate requests for some compliance -- >> why are you looking at me? >> i'm not saying anything. diane said, i have a husband that nags. he can't stop nagging. i'm retired, but i took a part-time job to get away from him during the day. >> that could be my grandfather with my grandmother. he'd go to bloomingdale's to work during the day. he'd rather pat people down than stay at home. >> well. mike on facebook wrote, i just ignore it. the more you nag, the less i do. >> that plays out. brian e-mailed this, that says the reason husband die before their wives is because we want to. the theory, according to those in copenhagen, is that women chase away all men's friends so they have nobody to express themselves to and bent their spleen, so therefore, they internalize and their organs explode. >> that's the way you read it. i interpret it is guys end up putting everything into their wives and that's why they don't have any friends and that's why they don't have any friends. >> on behalf of all women, i'm going to demand we talk to heather right now who has some headlines. >> heather again. same old. can you put those papers down? thank you. >> when we go to home depot later today, what do you need? >> i need some sand for sand box and vegetables for my garden. >> don't forget the batteries. >> and take out garbage while you're at it. >> good morning to you all. got some political news to bring you. today republican senator marco rubio is fueling rumors of a possible 2016 presidential run with a visit to the state of new hampshire. this is his first stop in early voting state in more than a year. new hampshire is where the first 2016 presidential primary is held. rubio headlining two fund-raisers at republican strongholds today. some of president obama's strongest supporters are criticizing his visit planned for today at a wal-mart in california. the president is supposed to talk about efforts to fight climate change. wal-mart is using more solar energy to fuel itself and -- but labor unions are upset with the visit, saying wal-mart pays low wages and doesn't offer its employees enough benefits. and if you're like us, you probably talk to yourself a lot. >> you talking to me? you talking to me? >> there's a new study out that says it actual low does make a difference. researchers found people who talk to themselves using their own name or the pronoun you performed better under stress. so when we view ourselves as a separate person, we're able to give ourselves more objective advice. researchers say that motivational self-talk -- you can do it. come on, way to go, brian -- really helps. those are your headlines. brian, when you say those are great tricepts, that helps. >> it's interesting we put robert deniro in that box during that entire story. >> or we're using a psychopath from a movie to talk about self talk. >> when you talk to yourself, then maria. >> we're talking to you. yes, we're talking to you. >> good morning, everybody. i want to show weather conditions across parts of the gulf coast. we'll be seeing some issues in southeastern louisiana and southern parts of mississippi. we are going to be dealing with areas of rain over the next several days and unfortunately out there, we could be seeing localized flooding at some of these storms could produce more than four or six inches of rain just into this weekend. there is the potential for severe weather over the next several days, including today from texas to indiana, then tomorrow to kick off the weekend on saturday. they could be looking at some strong storms. by sunday a more widespread risk yet again, from texas up into illinois. out west across the rockies, we have a trough that's setting up. that is going to produce areas of snow. heavy at times along the higher elevations. we're going to see that snow come down all wait down to the valley floor. for mother's day in denver, you could be look at snowfall and a little accumulation expected there. temperature wise across the country, look at texas. 90 for your high in dallas and across the southeastern u.s., hot as well with a high at 930 in raleigh, north carolina. let's head back inside. >> all right. i was told to do a more specific toss. shocking picks in the nfl draft. a lot of drama. number within, no surprise. >> with the first pick in the 2014 nfl draft, the houston texans select jadeveon clowney. >> he was the number one pick overall and has been for months going into the draft unless they traded it away. we knew he was going in the top spot. johnny manziel had to wait. he is the biggest name in the draft. for his time in the spotlight. in the end, the cleveland browns took him on the 22nd pick in the first round. fulfilling the team's need for a quarterback, they felt they had a young one who got hurt. suspended infielder alex rodriguez. a lot of people wondering where he is. okay, me either. he is actually shaving his legs. that's because according to his barber, he shaves his legs and arms to, quote, feel more hygienic. jose lopez, who gives hair cuts to many yankee players, says he once gave a-rod a hand when he was trying shave his legs. as you know, that is the number one story in america. now the number two story. this soccer player hits the ball in, then sprints before -- into the seats to applaud himself. that's fantastic. >> that's not a be your own fan. >> that's one of the greatest things i've ever seen in sports. >> that's like the selfy fan. >> he knew exactly what he was going to do. >> did he got in trouble for that? >> what's electric to say? it's not like they can take ten yards away. a yellow card perhaps, but i doubt it. >> fanning yourself. >> 20 minutes before the top of the hour. you've heard the millenials don't wants to work, that they want to invent the next facebook or twitter and rake in the cash. sound crazy? my next guest did it, raising $10 million for his invention in 30 days. let's just say it wasn't as easy as it sounds. >> that's right. first your trivia question of the day. this actress won five emmys for the same role. who is she in e-mail us with the correct answer, you will be today's friday winner. ♪ ♪ vo: david's heart attack didn't come with a warning. today his doctor has him on a bayer aspirin regimen to help reduce the risk of another one. if you've had a heart attack be sure to talk to your doctor before you begin an aspirin regimen. stick with innovation. stick with power. stick with technology. get the flexcare platinum from philips sonicare and save now. philips sonicare dominique wilkins, are taking charge of their type 2 diabetes with non-insulin victoza. for a while, i took a pill to lower my blood sugar, but it didn't get me to my goal. so i asked my doctor about victoza. he said victoza works differently than pills, and comes in a pen. and the needle is thin. victoza is an injectable prescription medicine that may improve blood sugar in adults with type 2 diabetes when used with diet and exercise. it is not recommended as the first medication to treat diabetes and should not be used in people with type 1 diabetes or diabetic ketoacidosis. victoza has not been studied with mealtime insulin. victoza is not insulin. do not take victoza if you have a personal or family history of medullary thyroid cancer, multiple endocrine neoplasia syndrome type 2, or if you are allergic to victoza or any of its ingredients. symptoms of a serious allergic reaction may include swelling of face, lips, tongue or throat, fainting or dizziness, very rapid heartbeat, problems breathing or swallowing, severe rash or itching. tell your doctor if you get a lump or swelling in your neck. serious side effects may happen in people who take victoza including inflammation of the pancreas (pancreatitis) which may be fatal. stop taking victoza and call your doctor right away if you have signs of pancreatitis, such as severe pain that will not go away in your abdomen or from your abdomen to your back, with or without vomiting. tell your doctor about all the medicines you take and if you have any medical conditions. taking victoza with a sulfonylurea or insulin may cause low blood sugar. the most common side effects are nausea, diarrhea, and headache. some side effects can lead to dehydration, which may cause kidney problems. if your pill isn't giving you the control you need, ask your doctor about non-insulin victoza. it's covered by most health plans. my len yam -- millenials, you might call them lazy, they live in their parents basement and can't find a job. >> but last month, more than 15% of them were out of work. the majority said they'd like to work for themselves in the next five years, invent something, or become an entrepreneur. >> kind of sounds crazy. but not totally impossible. our next guest pulled it off and he knows that it took a whole lot of hard work to do it. our guest, eric, is the founder and ceo of pedal technology, he created, built and marketed the most successful smart watch on the market today. first we got to say congratulations. >> thanks very much. >> the pebble, ladies and gentlemen. this is a support version. you're wearing the fancy one. what does it do? >> it's a watch that talks to your iphone or android phone, whenever you get a new text message, it pops up so you can see who is e-mailing or calling. >> you can hear the beep of your smart phone, you got a message. but why dig it out of your pocket when you can look at your watch? it's brilliant. >> it is. this concept was done in your dorm room desk. so you made your first prototype there. you raised over $10 million in 30 days on kickstarter. that's incredible. that's like a record. you had to be blown away by that. but i know it wasn't easy. you had four years of struggle. correct? >> yeah. we had worked up to it for quite a while up to that point. when you're working on something and finally everything clicks, that's what it was for us. >> sure. in the beginning, you went to some venture capitalists and you said, take a look at this. just imagine what it's going to do. they didn't see it, did they? >> not as much imagination. >> why do you think that is? >> i think it's risk like lot of these projects are quite risky. but in the end, a lot of people believed in us. we had over 69,000 people from 150 countries around the world support us. >> one is forbes said you'll double revenue had the next year. that's incredible. if alt companies that are probably have a strong set of eyes on you, what about a buyout? what about selling the company? do you think about that? will it happen this year? >> i think our focus this year is on building something that's useful for people. that's what drives us. at the end of the day, we built something that we want to do build for ourselves. we wanted to use it. >> how many times have i read in the "wall street journal" about how apple supposedly is working on a smart watch. you beat them to the punch. >> i think there is quite a few people working on things like this. but yeah, we're out there. we're in stores now. >> have they called you? >> i can't say anything about any sort of acquisitions or anything like that. but die know -- yeah. >> what is your advice to millenials? i think you're remarkable on what you've been able to do sets the tone. what do you say to them? they want to do what do you. >> one of the things i realized through school is that you have to experiment. you have to try out different jobs and figure out what works for you. i worked at six different places while i was going through my undergrad. i realized that i didn't want to work at a single one of them. >> you found that out through work. >> exactly. trying things out, experiencing different jobs and realize what you want to do and don't want to do. >> i know a number of kids who are in your demographic and they are at home right now. they are working on their app, their next facebook. they're expecting the moon shot to make some big money. it's not that easy. you got to do the leg work. you got to do the hard work, right? >> yes. a lot of work on the way. but when it clicks, you'll know. >> what's the web site? >> getpebble.com. >> we thank you for being here. >> thanks very much. >> pebble on, my friend. >> thanks for traveling here from california. >> incredible story. short of ten minutes before the top of the hour. coming up, are you looking for a movie for mom this weekend? kevin mccarthy is up next. >> first on this date in 1914, president woodrow wilson established mother's day as a holiday. in 1994, nelson mandela is elected the first black president of south africa. in 1966, louis armstrong had the number one song in america, "hello dolly." ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ (vo) oh. my. tongue. finally. 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"super bad," i cared for some of those movies. this movie, i didn't care for anybody. some of the jokes work, but i gave it three out of five. it's matinee. i would not pay full ticket price. >> you didn't like and gave it three stars? >> no, no, no. i liked some of the jokes. overall, i didn't think it was as classic as "animal house." it wasn't a classic by any means. most people were giving it really, really high ratings, but i thought it was very middle of the road. >> i've been waiting for a review on "moms night out." what do you say 'cause i'm going. >> this is a move yes that really surprised me. it really gave me a deeper appreciation for how awesome moms are. i feel like the struggle that sarah drew's character has in this movie with her character and the idea that she deals with these tough struggles of being a mom and i love the idea of how it highlights that because she realizes that not every day is going to be great. and you're dealing with three women who go out for a night out. they leave the kids home with their fathers and everything goes wrong. everything you can possibly think of goes wrong. that part i felt was a bit unrealistic at times. but overall, it was the message is about moms and how awesome moms really are. and i love that aspects of it. for me, i called my mom when i got out of the movie. i wanted to tell her i loved her. it made me appreciate how awesome she was. i gave the movie a 3 1/2 out of five. i really enjoyed some of the aspects of it. again, if you can suspend your disbelief a little bit and get past the unrealistic moments, you can actually get a really good message here. >> in reading your material, i didn't realize our buddy, trace adkins, was in the movie and you loved him. >> trace adkins is the best part of the movie! he plays this character called bones and he's like head of this motorcycle gang and he's absolutely hilarious. i wanted more of him in the movie. they didn't use him as much as i wanted them to. but he is the best part. i want to say in the spirit of mother's day, happy mother's day to my mom, jill. she's watching right now. she watches every single day for "fox & friends." i love you so much and thank you for supporting my obsession with movies and thank you for letting me watch "terminator 2" when i was eight years old that. movie made me fall in love with movies. thank you. >> just because you've said that on television doesn't mean you don't have to send hear card. >> i know a strategy. >> i'm sending her >> they better be big! thank you very much. have a great weekend. >> thanks. thanks lot. >> he seemed sincere. >> did he. so that's what kevin says you should waste your money on this weekend. >> waste your money on? 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according to all reports, this is friday, and mornings are better with friends. >> i'm terry bader from the mirage in las vegas. you're watching "fox & friends." >> you don't have enough guys impersonating turtles these days. >> right. but we have sad news about impersonators. tony the tiger, the voice of tony the tiger, he's great, but he's passed away. >> he has. >> but the quisp guy is still okay. >> we've got geraldo in the on deck circle. he's on in just a moment. but first we turn to heather. you start with benghazi. >> yeah. the house of representatives passed a resolution to create a select committee on benghazi to investigate that. all republicans voted for it. seven democrats broke with their parties to vote yes. so here is the big question now will those 186 democrats who voted against it stage a boycott? democrats are meeting about an hour from now to talk about this apparently. representstive connally from virginia talked about this earlier on "fox & friends." >> the question is, are we better off being at the table to try to make sure it's a balanced approach and that will be determined at our caucus meeting this morning. >> the members of that select committee are expected to be announced later today. we'll watch that story throughout the day for you. new information is now heading to house lawmakers investigating the irs scandal of conservative groups. less than a day after the house held lois lerner in contempt, the irs agrees to turn over all e-mails and other communications as evidence. republicans are saying that her actions could be criminal. listen to this. >> we believe that she violated people's constitutional rights, their rights to due process and that's actually criminal in nature and so this is very serious and we want to find ou far this goes and we're going to follow these e-mails wherever they lead us. >> republicans have been demanding the documents for months now. the irs commissioner has set it could take years to produce everything that they have. the show must go on. four days after nine performers plunged 30 feet to the ground, ringling brothers & barnum & bailey circus is open for business again. there are now eight scheduled shows through sunday. that human chandelier stunts, that will actually not be performed. seven of the injured acrobats are still hospitalized this morning. and if you're married or in a relationship, listen to this one. nagging apparently can take a toll on any relationship. some more than others. >> all i ask is that you show a little bit of appreciation, that i just get 20 minutes to relax when i come home instead of being attacked with questions and nagged the whole time! >> you think i nag you? >> there is a new study out that claims nagging can actually kill you. there is researchers who say that excessive demands from loved ones can more than double the risk of death in middle age. men are apparently at higher risk. >> of course. >> because it's said they keep all that bottled up. >> we have no one to talk to. >> what about women? we got nagged, too. >> you have people to vents to. you have your neighbors and high school friends. >> you are currently nagging. thank you very much. your e-mail and tweets pouring it. marla writes, if you do what we ask you, we won't nag you, duh. >> ashley says, i don't like to nag. i prefer to be listened to the first time. how can you ignore my wishes and expect me to be happy? >> can you tell women actually picked these out? >> no kidding. louis says, i gained some weight because my wife kept nagging that she wanted to see more of me. so she got more of me. that's hysterical. geraldo rivera, you've -- >> stop nagging. >> you've been in relationships. >> you might say. >> right. was nagging ever a role in the destruction of those relationships? >> you know, when you're looking for an excuse to get out of a relationship, you seize on anything and nagging is an easy one. i can honestly say, they say that you're only as happy as you're unhappiest child. you're also only as happy as your unhappiest spouse. so if she's not happy, i'm not happy. so i try make her happy. >> happy wife, happy life. >> that's right. >> happy wives, happy life. >> one more thing to talk to the doctor about. >> could i just say that i see you have a boxing segment planned. i hope it works as well as the exercise with your baby segment because that was brilliant. wasn't this for birth control? i think it worked like a charm. >> you know what's even better? when you're talking to a congressman and the babies come marching in. >> i love that. >> it sounded a little like washington. >> lot of whining. >> it sounds like the white house is surrounding general shenseki who heads up the veterans affairs administration and it looks like they've got big problems. john boehner yesterday said it's systemic. we have discovered that he's been subpoenaed. we now have discovered it's not just phoenix. it's also austin and it's san antonio as well. it looks like whistle blower coming forward. it's a big problem. >> speaker boehner is right, it is systemic. i've done the expose every decade. this is the fifth decade it's happened. the v.a. has a chronic problem. it has since the post-vietnam era at least. i just caution to tread slowly when it comes to generic shenseki. shear why: -- here is why: he was a twice decorated wounded hero from vietnam. this is the real deal. man stepped on a land mine, went back into the service after he lost half a foot. he was the army chief of staff in the joint chiefs, the highest ranking japanese american ever in the armed forces of the united states. he's a guy that is very, very admirable. if indeed, however, he knew or should have known that these problems existed, then the american legion might be right about demanding his resignation. i just, because of this man's resume, i just say let's go slow. let's make sure that he is to blame. obviously the story is disgusting and it's malignant and it's going to go -- >> respecting that office, of course, and you know that he's possibly tried to do. so keeping an open mind is a great point. listen to this one veteran because this is heart breaking. he says he came back and he thought the very least, he could depend on his country and he's fighting for his life because of this situation. >> i thought at least, one thing i have i can depend upon was my country to take care of me when i get older. i never knew i was going to get this, cancer. i'm just like i don't want to die because of some waiting list like other men have. >> in arizona, 40 died waiting for an appointment. >> terrible. as horrifying as that is, the fact that they kept two sets of books, that they kept one official record that showed a reasonable waiting time and a real list that showed the actual waiting time, allegedly leading to some fatalities, i think that deceit might be the heart of a real congressional investigation. >> everyone talks about edward snowedden and what he should have done. now you have whistle blowers coming forward. let's show these guys coming forward, protect their identity, let's them have the freedom to come forward and let them be effective. >> agreed. the problem with the federal civil servants is they protect themselves. we did a story yesterday. one in 1,000 members of the epa were fired in a single year. one out of 1,000. you're more likely to die of a heart attack than to get fired. nobody gets fired in these federal agencies. the v.a. is one of them. this is a case that cries, it seems to me, certainly the keeps of the second set of records should clearly be fired. >> all right. >> what do you think about -- shifting gears -- about the sharia law in the hotel. the hotel we're looking at says you will die being stoned if you are guilty of certain crimes. we have hollywood celebrities boycotting this hotel, beverly hills hotel. it's iconic. >> it's icon iraq, along with the bellaire owned by the same owner. the dor chester in london -- i'll tell you a quick story. when the people bought norchester in london, i swear to god this happened to me. i worked at abc at the time. walked into my suite on the 7th floor in london, there were people in full desert regalia cooking a lamb. >> in a room? >> on the balcony of their own suite. they were cooking a lamb on the balcony. i thought that the snooty dorchester in london was falling on hard times. i'll cut to the bellaire where i always stayed. it's in my contract that i stay will when i go there. whoever i work for. that's all been in my contract. i don't like boycotts generally. i didn't like when the gays boycotted chick-fil-a. you may remember. if you don't want to go to a place and you don't want to patronize a place, that's well and good. but don't pressure others to follow your lead. in this case, sharia law we hate it. it's ownerous, stoning and all the rest. i understand the argument against sharia law, but if you start putsing the politics of the owner at play in terms of whether other people can patronize it, if you don't want to, that's fine. don't go. but when you start saying, brian, you can't go, or i stand in fronts of you, elisabeth, when you want to go and i know all the employees of the bellaire, some of them, my son was raised at the bellaire, what happens to the employees when the hotel was empty? how long did they stay employed? there are consequences. >> that's true. and i understand you always have an interesting way on this stuff. it's fascinating. but if you believe that these women are being persecuted, if you believe a whole country is oppressing a gender or an ethnic group and you want to make a stand, that's courageous. and having ellen degeneres and jay leno come forward and say, i'm taking my business elsewhere. >> that's fine. if you don't want to get the chick-fil-a sandwich because you think he's antes gay, then don't go there. go to wendy's or some other place. that's fine. but when you stand in my way and i don't believe the politics that you have, then i think it's anti-american. i don't like it. >> a protest of getting into that hotel. >> it's intimidating. political correctness is fine and you go with the flow and generally speaking, we believe as they believe in broad strokes. it's just that you have your right to take the stand that you do. just don't stand in my way. >> geraldo rivera, who as we just learned, has that in his contract, he can stay there -- in my contract, i have to sleep in my car. >> no tell motel. >> in my contract it says stay away from geraldo. coming up, the government wants to slash pay and benefits to our military. so there must not be anything tells cut, right? 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let's talk to the retired u.s. army infantry captain and ranger and senior advisor for concerned vets for america. he joins us today from pittsburgh. good morning to you. >> good morning, steve. how is it going? >> going okay. although people watching this right now, their blood pressure will start ticking up. >> it's outrageous. >> 150 bucks for jet fuel, but it's green jet fuel. >> this is just another example of a wasteful government spending program and overall indicative of a department of defense that just does not have its priorities straight at all. any time i see a piece like this, i wonder why is the department of defense involved in the biofuel industry in the first place? that's why we have a department of energy. let the scientists and the laboratories research whether or not biofuel is a lucrative in the military. but what i want the department of defense to do is focus on one thing and one thing only. that's winning wars and protecting the american people. that's what i want. on top of that, let's make sure that we honor the sacrifice of our servicemen and women who served in war. >> what are we doing on capitol hill? they're cutting the budgets for all sorts of things involving our military. but at the same time, we got money to pay 150 bucks a gallon for this algae gas. they're going to run in some jet airplanes. when i was -- we saw the headline and i started to read about it. it turns out these things are being produced -- i know of one case where it was produced by a company that had been a big democratic donor. because they're small companies, rather than giving them an outright loan, they're simply buying the gas for 150 bucks a gallon to subsidize these outfits. >> yeah. it's the government stabbing in the dark to try to pick a biofuel. what they should be doing is trying to improve the fuel efficiency across the spectrum of the military incrementsally so we don't outpace technology. that's what we want to do. that will save money. it will make our force more fuel efficient. and it will increase operational capabilities. but no. instead we're investing a lot of time and money in biofuels that's not technologically viable in the open market and wasting time. we face a fiscal crisis in this nation, the likes of which have never been seen before. we're dealing with an administration that spends like a teen-ager with a credit card. we need leaders to step up to make tough decisions right now and there are probably 100 programs exactly like this that can be cut prior to getting to cutting the and i benefits of our military servicemen and women. >> a guy with a teen-ager with a credit card, i know exactly what you're talk being right there. if i got the balance statement and said 150 bucks, she suspense on a gallon of gas, i'd hit the roof. as america will as well when they find out about this. sean, always a pleasure. thank you very much for joining us. have a great weekend. >> steve, can i just make one more points? >> sure. >> listen, it's mother's day. we've got mothers all across this nation that aren't going to be able to be with their loved one. we are a nation that's still at war. let's remember and pray for those mothers this weekend. >> absolutely. well put. thank you very much. >> thanks. >> to mothers everywhere, happy mother's day come sunday. straight ahead, they're paid to make our kids smarter. but some teachers and even a principal did a really stupid thing and it's happening more and more. we're going to tell you what about not making the grade. then jennifer esposito is here talking about a health struggle that affects a lot of people. you're watching "fox & friends" on this friday. ♪ ♪ those litt things still get you. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment is right. cialis is also the only daily ed tablet helpsapproved to treattime the msymptoms of bph, like needing to go freently. tell yr doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthenough for sex. do not take cialis if youtake , as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drinklcohol in excess. side effects may include headac, upset stomach, delayed baache or muscle ache. to avoid long-term injury,gety if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any allergic reactions like rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breaing or swallowing, op taking cialis and get mecal help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a free 30-tablet trial. some headlines. new developments in the arson at retired tennis star james blake's house in tampa. investigators now saying four family members found inside were shot with a gun reject sistered to their family -- register to do their family. he was caught buying fireworks and several gas cans. police investigating the possibilities of a murder-suicide. this guy admit to go murder on a dating show. he confessed he killed his first wife and another and another. he spent ten years in jail, but is an honest guy looking for a new wife. this all went down on a turkish show called "luck of the draw." it's not a pilot. it's on the air. >> that would be a deal breaker. more than 2 million americans suffer from celiac disease. mean -- it often goes undiagnosed by doctors. on average, people with the disease wait six to ten years before they're correctly diagnosed. jennifer esposito has struggled with the condition most of her life and never knew it. she's the author of a new book. i feel like we're soul mates right here. >> absolutely. >> when i read your story, so much of it echos with what many go through. you had a tumultous experience. you were tested for a number of diseases. what was the most difficult part of that journey? >> not knowing. i think so many of us, an average diagnosis, seven to ten years. mine was since i was a child. and hearing things that it was either in my head or it was something else. ibs, ms, lupus, everything. >> depression. >> depression. >> someone asked you if you were suicidal? >> yes. yes. this was at the height of it. i just kind of stared at her and thought, i'm sick all the time and you are the nth person that's not hearing me. wouldn't you be depressed? did you do i want to kill myself? no, i want help. at that point i had a tooth fall out and a lump the size of a small grapefruit in my neck. i was horrible. >> jimmy kimmel said he couldn't find anything to describe living gluten free what gluten was. >> i saw that. i have a lot to say about that. i just wish the jokes would stop because when someone like him, who has such an audience and they keep making a joke about the fad, which i understand is a fad, there are people like us and people -- little people, small people, big people, people of all ages that are suffering from that kind of mentality because what happens is that waiter or server or that chef, that employer, they don't believe us and they think we're somebody who is on a diet. and it's really frustrating. >> strong message there. the silver lining is you express what you went through will help so many people. you have a bakery, jennifer's way. that's incredible. all these gluten free treats are available. >> it's gluten free, soy free, egg free. >> yea. so i can eat. >> you can eat everything. >> that is great. i have to say, congratulations. i know you were recently engaged. and you guys are working together, a gluten free wedding is what i bet. >> i can't wait to make everything. >> look at that. so that's right out in front of your bakery. jennifer's way is the name of the book and bakery. we thank you for being here. >> thanks. coming up, democrats want to be on the benghazi panel all of a sudden. but some say it's just to protect hillary. chris wallace is standing by in washington with that. plus, skip the eggs. which fast food joint is serving burgers for breakfast? 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is there some nagging going on? what defines that to you? >> listen, whatever lorraine does is perfect. i'm like a grateful dog. she puts good food in front of me and anything i can do to help her in that intersurprise -- given the fact that lorraine and i had a little bit of a spat last night -- >> for what? >> i'm on double secret probation. >> what happened? >> i've already shared more than i should have. >> come on! >> i want to say if you're watching, i'm sorry. >> oh, wow. so chris -- >> how intriguing. that should be the lead on fox news sunday. >> i have your home number. let's call her. >> fox news i'm sorry. >> or tweet it. >> #i'm sorry. >> we sent -- this study was done in europe. as you're an american, as far as we know, do you believe that nagging can actually kill a man? >> what about a hand in your face? >> i think that any kind of stress -- i don't know if it kills you, but it certainly is not good for you, whether it's at home or work or on a sunday morning show. i want to ask you a question, brian. you ever feel like the johnny manziel of "fox & friends"? in what way? i want to know. that you're disrespected. that elisabeth and steve are picked -- were the first two picks and you're sitting this in the room, sort of waiting with a picksar on you. no wonder you had to apologize to your wife, with a mouth like that on you. christian thank is what i say. johnny manziel will prove wbr id "wbr92700" he was better than the 22nd pick. he comes out in the fall with something to prove. that's where we start in may. by september, everyone is going to realize they should have picked me first. yeah. speaking of the draft of sorts, they're drafting members for the benghazi committee. it looks like the republicans could announce their picks today and the democrats are going to have a meeting today at 9:00 o'clock. are the democrats going to have anybody, one person, what? we're going to find out /b because on sunday, we're going to have an exclusive interview with trey gowdy and i think today they're going to name all the republicans. the democrats, i suspect we won't know by this weekend whether or not they're going to participate. so we have booked the head of the house democratic office and we'll talk to him, along with gowdy because the democrats say it's just a political exercise, we may boycott it. i think that's a risky move for them. on one hand i can understand it does make it look partson. on the other hand, if they go ahead, the republicans and hold these hearings and bring up hillary clinton or bring up david petraeus, they may want to have a democrat there to present questions that allow these people to principal the other side of the -- present the other side of the story. interesting choice for the democrats. we'll find out whether they made it on sunday. >> they do have a list to choose from. seven democrats who voted in favor of the select committee. maybe they should say pick from them because they're probably sincere in their vote. >> i think they were, which is probably the reason the democrats will not pick them. i suspect they're going to want people who they feel are more loyal to the democratic caucus, who oppose this whole thing and don't think it's such a good idea. >> your guest on sunday, trey gowdy, he's been long asking questions and noted this should really just fly above any sort of political partisan line and intention. so i think a he seems to be above partisan politics. >> yes. you're absolutely right. but on the other hand, at the same time that he's saying that, the national republican congressional committee, which is the campaign committee for house republicans, has been trying to fund raise off this issue, saying be a benghazi watchdog so that kind of adds some fuel to the fire the democrats saying this is just politics. there is lots to talk about on sunday. >> republicans should be embarrassed by that. >> democrats have done it in the past as well. chris, what about the suggestion by politico that the democrats are talking about we should have somebody on there, on that committee to protect hillary clinton? that's exactly right. that's the choice they've got to make. because let's say they bring hillary clinton up and you've just got seven republicans, they could sit there and just hammer her with questions and we all know that sometimes somebody -- this goes with both parties -- that somebody from the other party, in this case, would be the democrat -- can sit there and protect and rehabilitate and say, isn't it so, madam secretary clinton, that when you did this, you had -- and kind of lead the witness in a safer direction. so it's kind of wbr-id "wbr94500" an interesting choice that the democrats have to make as to how they want to play this. chris, it will be interesting 'cause you'll have an answer by the time the show comes up. there's a big meeting today for democrats. maybe by the end of the day, they not only decide if they'll participate, but if they do, name the people they want to be part of the panel. yeah. i think there is a possibilities they won't do it because nancy pelosi is playing this very close to the chest. there is a lot of stuff that has to be done. they have to get all of the staff that is -- what's happening is they're taking all the staff of foreign affairs and intelligence and all these other oversight and they're going to put them all together in this one committee, all the thousands and thousands of documents. so the democrats have a little time to play this out. >> i have an idea to save some time. it's been over 20 months. four of our americans are dead and we haven't gotten any answers and the account abilities. how about we tell the truth? that takes a little bit of time only, right? >> that's the last resort in washington. >> yeah. >> chris wallis, we'll be watching you this sunday. before you go, do you need to apologize to anybody else? >> no. i think that's it. and brian, i want to say that as far as i'm concerned, you are brian morning talk television. like johnny football, you're morning show television. >> thank you very much. what a nice thing to say. >> i still would pick you with a 22nd pick, i'm sorry. >> now that you made up with me. just one person to make up with and you'll have a good weekend. >> we'll see. you don't know mrs. sunday. >> she holds a grudge. >> your dog's name is winston, that's the dog house you've been in? >> say that again. >> your dog's name is winston. that's the dog house you're in. >> yeah. we're sharing a bed outside at the dog house. >> all right. thank you very much. >> sweet heather. >> good morning. >> that's really sweet. >> i was thinking about our own marital spats. that's all. >> really? >> we're just one big happy family. >> everybody has them. >> if you have a fight this weekend, bring in a video. >> i will. good morning. today republican senator marco rubio is fueling rumors of a possible 2016 presidential run with a visit to the state of new hampshire. this is his first stop in the early voting state in more than a year. new hampshire is where the first 2016 presidential primary is held. rubio headlining two fund-raisers in republican strongholds today. this coming out of philadelphia. teachers and a principal at an elementary school there were apparently so desperate to make themselves look good that they helped their students cheat on standardized tests. court papers say that for five years, they told students to write down answers on scraps of paper so that their work could later be checked. those inflated test scores leading to raises and promotions for those educators. >> i don't know what to say. i think it's sad. >> kids and parents trusted these people to do their job. >> all five of those educators face criminal charges. we'll keep you posted on that. talk about a real dummy. a driver in boston, massachusetts, busted for putting a dummy in the passenger seat just so he could use the carpool lane. a state trooper pulled him over and found a mannequin propped up with a jacket behind his head and a mustache on his face with marker. the driver then just got a ticket. it's what overnight workers and pregnant women have been waiting for. burger king now offering a the whopper at some locations in the morning. they call it burger breakfast. we're so happy here at "fox & friends." that's right. includes chicken sandwiches, some barbecue stuff, french fries, apple pie. no word if this is a permanent change. if you would rather have a normal breakfast, they're still serve that food as well. those are your headlines. >> i can't wait. thank you very much. >> the rage is protein, especially in the morning. why not give people a burger? >> why don't we stop on the way home, heather? you and me. >> we got your fast food friends weather forecast now with maria molina out on the streets of new york city. >> that's right. good morning. we're tracking a storm system farther west. today will be producing areas of showers, thunderstorms, and over the next few days, we are going to see some areas of heavy rain, especially concentrated right along parts of the gulf coast, across parts of louisiana, parts of mississippi and alabama. some of you could pick up over three to four inches of rain, locally heavier amounts. so flooding could be a concern. severe weather possible from texas up to indiana. that severe risk will stay in place as we head into this weekend, saturday and sunday. so keep an eye out for that. temperature wise, heating up across parts of the southern plains today and also the southeast. i want to show you the city of denver. take a look at this. sunday into monday, they could pick up some snow out there. more snow expected as well across the higher elevations of the rockies. let's head back inside. >> thank you very much. i was just showing brian and elisabeth the picture of my daughter, sally, was taking a final yesterday and then down in dallas -- then the tornado warning came on. and there they all are down in the basement waiting for it to blow over. >> seeking shelter. >> as a parents living 1,000 miles away, that's when you want to see. but it's all good. we're okay now. 18 minutes left unless hemmer and mccallum overshe wants again. here is what's coming up, imagine seeing this on your drive to work. cars swallowed up as the road collapses. it happened. >> look at that. plus, getting fit one punch at a time. we're getting ready to rumble. our gloves are on. >> it's the big rage and it will be raging here. put them up. ♪ ♪ time for quick headlines. the great video edition. watch as unsuspecting drivers nearly got swallowed up bay sinkhole in russia. amazingly, all of them noticed it and drove around it. they're blaming it on heavy rain. look at that. swallowed it up. boom. meanwhile, nearly two naked groomsmen in australia run into the ocean to save a fisherman after his boat tipped over. they got him to shore safely and then went right back to posing for pictures, only this time not so formal. they were just wearing their underwear. and how is this for living on the edge? chicago's hancock center's newest attraction let's you tilt 1,000 feet over the street -- whoa. a frightening 30-degree angle. that attraction opens tomorrow. it's closing time. for the last bar car in america. get this, the remaining commuter train serving beer, wine and spirits is ending its 40-year run tonight t. turns out nobody else wants to drink on the way home. wnyw reporter is live at grand central station in new york city with more on the last call. how are new yorkers handling this news? >> reporter: they are quite upset about it, especially someone told me it's exactly what they need after a long day of work. good morning to all of you and good morning, everyone. the party is over, simply put. after 40 years, these four bar cars, the only bar cars that still exist are essentially hanging it out. the nta is taking them out of rotation. they're only running on the metro north new haven line they're something of a throwback to the '70s when having an after work cocktail on the way home was acceptable. it was daily culture. so we talked to some people who were riding on the train this morning. they talked about the tradition. >> it's one of those things that you do. >> fridays, thursday, whatever. it's kind of fun to do on the way home. >> reporter: the big problem is that these bars don't bring in enough money. they only pull in $357,000 a year. a far cry from the bars on the platform. connecticut governor is trying to organize a plan to reinstitute bar cars. that won't happen for at least another year. that's the latest from grand central on this very sad day for a lot of computers. >> they're crying in their beer. thank you very much. i'm looking on amtrak. the top of the picture still shows beer and wine. >> i was just on two weeks ago. i will say i'd be surprised. i think that's the most successful restaurants in the world. >> at the last call. >> let me tell you what's coming up, you want to knock out those unwanted pounds, don't you? stick around. mar why is going to show us -- mar why is going to show us -- maria is going to show us next how to do it. >> come on, maria! let him have it ! >> new from the hill, dems mail out one of their own on the benghazi panel. we'll take you live for the latest this morning. now we will also find out just what was in lois lerner's e-mails which have been released. we'll tell you about that. and ten years ago, army sergeant matt lawton was captured in iraq. now his dad travels to washington to find out who killed his son. he will join us live. now back over to you. if you're looking to gets in shape this summer, you might want to try putting on some gloves and throwing some punches. joining us is dr. paul thompson and the marketing director of title boxing club. nice to meet you. this is actually a great workout. i read you can burn 1,000-calories in an hour of boxing? >> therapy. great workout. one of the great things about it, it's high intensity interval training, builds muscle, lose fat, gets your cholesterol under control. one session you can make your insulin work better. >> i watched it. i saw your new gym. it's unbelievable. i saw people of all shapes and sizes taking part. a loft people think it's a young person's thing. but not the way do you it. can we go over some basics over what we'd see in a class? >> 'cause i want to punch brian. >> there is no hitting. it's very safe. >> but on our show we do. >> okay. so you want to start, if you're right-handed, start with your lead foot back. so you put your stance a little bit here and then this is going to be your power hand. start with your left with a little jab. just like that. then you bring your other hand across. >> sorry. >> right at eye level. >> let's see you connect on the bag. >> these are 100-pound heavy bags. whether you connect, it will send a shock wave through and it's all muscle resistants. so you're here. >> you're building muscle at the same time as you're losing fat. >> okay. >> usually one person is on a bag. how long do you stay on a bag? >> three minutes. you'll come off and do something in between. maybe burpees, maybe jumping jacks. keeps your metabolism up. this not only burns calories, you're burning calories for two or three hours after. >> you also got somebody on the mitt. so you want to step out here. >> it's amazing how much you feel it in your abs. >> it's a core workout. >> that's nice. you get 15 minutes of core at thend. >> how long do you spar? >> i also see the medicine ball there. >> at thend of the class, we do 15 minutes of core. we do this at the end on purpose because if you're using your arms and core, you can take it and do, for instance, a lunge rotate back. you're working your core as well as your upper body and legs. >> i love this kind of workout because it just gets a little aggression out, burns calories. >> absolutely. you can take your aggression out on the bag. >> guys, stay right here. brook and paul, we're going to come back with more boxing and maybe we finally got to take a shot at steve. >> that's right ♪ why do results matter so much? it's probably because they are the measurement of everything we do. for a wireless company, results come down to coverage speed and legendary reliability. so go ahead, stream, game or video chat. that's why verizon built americas largest 4g lte network. because the only thing that really matters are the results you get. so for the best devices the best network and for best results, use verizon. ♪ make every day, her day with a full menu of appetizers and entrées crafted with care and designed to delight. fancy feast. love served daily. tomorrow "fox & friends" weekend, u.s. businesses are collapsing faster than they're being built. why isn't the government helping? >> also there is a lot of lazy men out there and they wait 'til the last minute -- >> why are you looking at me? >> -- last minute to get their mother's day gifts. i'll have the best gifts you can pick up on saturdays morning. >> what about sunday morning? >> 7-11, that's why we have it. >> also governor mike huckabee will be in on saturday. >> also, in the after the show show, learn how boxing can make you extremely fit. elisabeth and maria are going to go head to head. >> we're going to go at it right here. >> have a great weekend. >> bye, everybody. happy mother's day. nice. good morning, everybody on a friday. fox news alert because the house approving a special committee on benghazi but how many democrats if any will take part it will be decided today. democrats will meet behind closed doors as you see screen right any moment. good morning from new york city. i'm bill hemmer on a friday, "america's newsroom." we'll find out something today. martha: we can see the doors are closed as we look at that. good morning, everybody, i'm martha maccallum. debate from democrats are heating up. one lawmaker says democrats should appoint one member to sit on the panel. a lot of the other are suggesting a complete boycott. bill: republicans say they're determined to get to the bottom of all these facts saying

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>> the news keeps getting worse and worse and worse. you have netanyahu saying to us, mind your own business. he tells kerry that. and then the news that happens after that. my god. shows we can't mind our own business. >> you have two sides clearly we will talk about, obviously, most in the morning, but two sides and neither side has someone with the courage to stand up' say let's figure out how to end this. >> seven-hour truce is under way in the gaza strip. israeli is pulling back on its ground operations while leaving the door open to further strikes against the militants. on sunday an israeli missile strike killed ten people at a u.n. school, where thousands of civilians were taking cover from the fighting of the attack which was apparently aimed aat a passing motorcycle who left dozens of palestinians injured. it also sparked intense criticism from the international community, including the state department, that's something that doesn't usually happen towards israeli, which said the united states is, quote -- this is very strong language coming out of the united states state department -- appalled by the disgraceful shelling. the u.n. went further calling the israeli action, quote, a moral outrage and a criminal act. israeli's continued air campaign fell over last week's broken cease-fire and after that truce collapsed, prime minister benjamin netanyahu reportedly sold senior america officials, quote, not to ever second-guess me again. meanwhile, germany's leading newspaper says israeli intelligence agencies eavesdropped on secretary of state john kerry and his phone conversations during last year's peace negotiations. over the weekend, an israeli soldier initially thought to be captured was confirmed killed. one of 64 troops and three civilians to die in the four weeks of war. so, mike, it's very difficult -- very difficult for the united states to just sit back and even for strong supporters of israeli to just say, here's your blank check. go off and do whatever you want to do. which is what basically they are asking us to do and the most extreme members of the pro israeli crowd are asking us to do that we can never ask a question and when you have what happened again with the attack, you have the continued images of young children being pulled out of rubble dead. i'm sorry. we have to ask that question. >> you not only have to ask that question, but you also have to wonder about the extent of where we are going when you have the prime minister of israeli basically telling the united states, secretary of state as well as the president of the united states and congress of the united states, don't ever second-guess me again. >> leave us alone. >> yeah. >> i don't think it's that simple. bobby? >> it's not just us. other countries are doing the same thing. just before i came on, the chinese foreign minister is in cairo and he has gone even further than any american politician to say israeli must lift the blockade. when china speaks, countries these days take that seriously. >> let's find out what going up to the moment by bringing in nbc foreign correspondent richard engel who is live in gaza. richard, can you give us than up to the moment update right now? use good morning to all of you. right now, there is this partial truce in place. it seems that israeli agreed to this under pressure, after all of the criticism, particularly the united states, israeli most powerful ally, this is a chance for palestinians, in large parts of the gaza strip, to go fishing, go to the market, check on their homes, a lot of their homes are destroyed. but it doesn't apply to all of the gaza strip in the southern region, particularly around rafa there is still an ongoing battle and israeli troops deep into territory and this truce is only supposed to last for another couple of hours. after that, there is questions about a diplomatic solution. will there be a way out of this diplomatically? there is an egyptian delegation in cairo working with them and they are waiting to see if israeli will send its own delegation. the palestinian demand, as bobby was just talking about, is to lift the siege of the gaza strip and that would be something that both israeli and egypt would have to agree to and exchange or wants or guarantees that it won't see more rocket fire, that hamas won't arm, that it won't use supplies coming into the gaza strip to reinstruct those tunnels that israeli spent the last month destroying. >> let me ask you a question. i saw yesterday something on my twitter feed al jazeera editorial and just an absolutely blistering attack of israeli's neighbors for continuing to stand strongly, side-by-side with israeli. this is, of course, something that we just haven't seen since 1948 where you have literally all of hamas' neighbors from egypt, obviously, for good reason right now with egypt, but egypt, saudi arabia, united arab emirates and go around to jordan. all standing side-by-side with israeli and all against hamas. what type of impact does that have on how much leeway israeli thinks they have right now? >> reporter: well, i think that is probably the biggest difference in this war than? the other two wars we have seen here in the last several years. a couple of years ago, hamas was in a very different position. the muslim brotherhood and hamas is an offshoot of the muslim brotherhood, was on the rise across the arab world. it was in power in egypt and things were looking very good for hamas. it had a lot of friends and it had a lot of support. the islamic movements have taken a beating and no longer popular with large in the arab world. groups like isis and syria have given the islamic movements a very bad name. the military ruler in charge of egypt is even a bigger brotherhood than perhaps israeli is. i think that is one of the reasons israeli felt so confident that now was the time to go after these tunnels, to launch a long campaign, and we're seeing, right now, as you were suggesting, the western allies, united states, europe, even china, not a western ally, but a major power, that are coming out and criticizing israeli even before the arab states are coming out and criticizing. >> richard engel, thank you very much. david ignatius, how strange is it that the united states and america's european allies are now the ones being critical of these strikes that appear to be to the, you know, just say the observer on tv looking at one u.n. school after another being bombed, to be indiscriminate, while you actually have israeli's arab neighbors standing shoulder-to-shoulder with them even through the worse of the attacks. why? >> well, hamas, which has been the dominant power in gaza among the palestinians, is, in fact, very unpopular in the arab world. and that is one reason that israeli felt that it wanted and needed free rein to go after hamas missile placements and other weapons in gaza. the u.s., when it moved toward a quick cease-fire, secretary of state kerry turned to hamas' only two friend in the region, turkey and qatar, to try to negotiate that. that is what infuriated israeli a week ago. and led kerry down a path that was just exposed into a lot of criticism. more recently, he has been doing something i think your viewers should think about. he is trying to figure out a way to help prime minister netanyahu find a way out of this conflict by empowering, not hamas, but the moderate palestinians under president mahmoud abbas, by bringing the palestinian authority into gaza as the governing authority, which could be a very different situation, would offer the promise, over time, of some demilitarization of hamas and where is the action is now and where the peace conference is about now. keep your eye on that. >> bobby, what i have seen as the greatest strategy over the past several weeks and had some morons attacking me and i can call them that, morons attacking me online saying i'm not pro israeli, i've been pro israeli since a lot of these blowingers were getting their you know what wiped by their mothers wiped. just how isolated and on the run hamas was before all of this began where you did have all of the arabian states against them. you also had the palestinian authority against them. you had them running to the palestinian authorities to make a deal of convenience just to stay alive as a political force and now this has happened. as david just said, other than turkey and qatar, they have no friends in the region and nobody they can talk to. also, as you pointed out, nobody else that can help strike a deal. >> that's the problem. in the past, when you had conflicts like this, it would rage for a few days and then egypt would go in, not just the muslim brotherhood. even before that when mubarak was running egypt he had leverage over hamas and go in there and knock heads together' bring peace even if it was temporary. no longer that way. sicily is very anti-hamas and all of israeli neighbors are anti-hamas. qatar and turkey are sort of speaking for hamas but they are new to this and not their traditional role. they are distant and ideological nowhere close to hamas. it's clear, as we saw last week when the cease-fire broke down, hamas doesn't listen to turkey and to qatar. >> i have to jump in. we have sat here i think seven minutes speaking as hamas as a nation. they are a terrorist organization. our government has designated hamas as a terrorist organization. we spent eight minutes talking about what they do and israeli does as though they are two armies sponsored by a nation who should be treated equally. they are not. hamas is a terrorist organization so the tragic and heart breaking deaths of civilians is on the hands of hamas who embeds their weaponry in schools. hamas put the weapons in schools. when we sit here and talk about these actions we can't ignore hamas actions and hamas are not a nation! >> first of all, two points. hamas was actually elected by gaza to run gaza. >> they are a political party but they are a designated terrorist group. >> i agree with you and you know i know they are a terrorist group and i have said unambiguously they are a terrorist group and said that israeli uses mills to protect people and hamas uses people their missiles. that said, if somebody is holding a gun to the head of a 5-year-old -- >> which nobody has done. >> no. hamas is doing it. >> right. >> right now. they are using little children as human shields. do um shoot through the 5-year-old to get hamas when there is not even a great chance it will get hamas. hamas is not going to be destroyed by what is going on -- who is being destroyed, 5-year-old and 6-year-old and 7-year-old children. >> of course. that is always -- >> of course, i know -- >> congress can't have this happen without -- >> let me ask you. would the united states of america be firing into places where day after day after day after day after day 5 and 6 and 7-year-old babies were being pulled out of rubble? would they? >> we don't but after 9/11 when we were attacked by a terrorist organization we went into afghanistan and targeted the terrorist group, the taliban. >> yes, we did. >> we know and on this show a lot of attention gets paid to inadvertent and tragic death of civilians. >> inadvertent and tragic, but when it's happening every day, it's not as inadvertent and tragic as it is when the united states has done it. >> the reason the arab nations are silent, they understand better than i think we do in this country, the tactics of ma' hamas. >> the biggest reason, the arab nations, i would think -- >> a shared enemy. >> -- is they are afraid they will end up in cairo. >> hamas is aligned with the people who took out kurdish towns in iraq. >> they don't share the same values but a lot of these arab states don't share our values either so let's be careful about that. yes, it's clear hamas is a terrorist group. they have been for a long time. but every time there has been this conflict between israeli and hamas, it has only ended one way -- with peace negotiations. the question now is who is going to make those negotiations happen? john kerry has been trying for a couple of weeks, no success. qatar and turkey have been trying, no success. who is going to bring them to the table? >> nicole, my only point a month ago hamas was dying on the vine. they were isolated and dying on the vine. >> exactly. >> the israelis have played into their hands and every time a 5-year-old girl, 6-year-old girl, every time a grandmother is blown up in a public market, every time they blow up a u.n. school when the u.n. says 17 times this is a u.n. school. >> i agree with you. >> who does that help? who does that help? that terrorist group you're talking about, the terrorist group we all hate. that's my only point. let's go to al hunt. poor john kerry. he gets kicked around, you know? even netanyahu now is saying leave us alone. i don't think that is going to happen any time soon, do you? >> no, i don't. i want to go back to david's point, because i think that is relevant here, which is that if this very, very difficult dicey situation could be improved by the palestinian authority taking over gaza, netanyahu has got to deliver something to the palestinian authority. in the past, he really hasn't been willing to do that and i'd love to get david's view on this. is he willing to give up something? because i don't think he can just say, why don't you good guys or better guys rather go and run gaza now. he has got to give them something on the west bank and go much further than he is wanting to do before. >> david, wasn't there an opportunity for him just to pay the salaries of civil servants that hamas could no longer pay, that could have averted a lot of this disaster and they fused to even do that? >> joe, the question of how mahmoud abbas and palestinian authority would play more role in running gaza i think is the big issue that is now before prime minister netanyahu and kerry is trying to put it there. netanyahu has to decide after these weeks of war, the images that have been so disturbing to people, how does this thing end in a way that leaves israeli more secure that doesn't just mean you'll have to go back and fight another war two years from now? secretary kerry is saying if you can figure out a structure where the palestinian authority replaces hamas as the governing authority in gaza, you will leave israeli and the palestinians safer and more secure over the long run. and i think kerry is going to push netanyahu -- don't second-guess me and don't tell me what to do, but the truth is the u.s. can be helpful to israeli now in trying to figure out a way to move from this awful status quo into something new. >> how much do we give israeli every year? >> 2.7, 2.5 billion. >> it's close to 3 billion dollars. >> what is your point? >> my point is -- i mean, it's an interesting idea. get the palestinian authority more or fatah more power in gaza. do we think hamas is going to roll over and let that happen now that they have essentially been -- i mean, empowered in some ways. do we think they will simply just let that happen? traditionally they have taken a very dim view. >> they have taken a dim view. they have just proved to be the most disastrous leaders. they have done for their own good what the muslim brotherhood did in egypt, where they did more damage to their own cause trying to run a country than we could have ever done. look at the numbers up on the screen. you know what? i voted for support for israeli every year. and i would continue to vote for support for israeli every year. but we pay $3.1 billion a year in foreign aid to israeli. we pay $504 million for the iron dome. $121 billion since world war ii. and, of course we are their biggest supporter. i will tell you we need to be, with the anti-semitism sweeping across europe right now, which is absolutely revolting, even coming out of germany, of all countries. >> france. >> out of france. it is disgusting. it is revolting. the anti-semitism is sickening and we are going to talk about that later on. i'm glad the united states of america is there to be israeli's staunchest defender but, hey, we should be able to have a dialogue with a country we pay over $3 billion a year to every year. don't tell us not to give our opinion. that's something we like to do on "morning joe." coming up, other people who will be giving their opinion, mike murphy and campbell brown is going to be here. my twitter feed, which i rarely read, but this weekend, i was on talking about music. holy cow! everybody is going against campbell brown, just attacking her, savaging her for this school reform bit. she is going to be there with her voice. and look at this, like we are going back to the cavern or the beatles. this is awesome! pat buchanan will be with us throughout today's show and tell us about a historic book he has on richard nixon and teacher tenure law and the likelihood mitt romney is running for president again and the ebola patient that is already in the u.s. with another one on its way. how prepared is the u.s. for an outbreak of a major deadly virus? 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"galaxy" took in 160 million worldwide. >> it's a coore toon. who is going to see this movie around this table? >> no one. >> bobby, are you? >> i am. anything sci-fi, i'll see it. >> you'll see is three times, thus the big box office. "transformer age of distinction." that has now surpassed a $1 billion mark. the first movie to reach that point in 2014. >> bobby, are you going to watch that? >> i did. worst of the transformer movies and still made a billion dollars. >> we need you on as our movie critic. the personality of the u.s. has changed drastically the past two decades. "the journal" partly sunny out in 1990 manufacturing was dominant as the country's biggest developer. the map shows where the industries were the highest states were. manufacturing in yellow. see that? now look at last year. you know what the blue prepar ? represents? >> where health care is the top industry. let's flip back to that other map. you want to see a dying economy? there you go. manufacturing. >> what was orange? >> yellow. >> retail. >> these are the biggest employers. in the yellow you had states that were actually making things and selling things across the world in 1990. now let's go to blue and these health care, which we all know, that money comes from the federal government, for medicare and medicaid and those are the top employers. >> the disappearance of those states marked in yellow in 1990 also represent demographic dynamite, people 45 to 60 years of age working in factories and plants making things in the 1990s, gone! jobs gone. plants are gone overseas. demographic dynamite. >> not good news. turning now to the middle east. the palestinian deputy prime minister says reconstruction of gaza is going to cost at least $6 billion. israeli's military operations there have displaced 500,000 as they force to eliminate weapons and stockpiles. the tunnel network used by hamas militants also trying to be destroyed. with us now is dr. gold a senior foreign policy adviser to prime minister benjamin netanyahu. doctor, thank you for being with us. let's begin what happened over the weekend. obviously, there was an attack on that u.n. facility that has got condemnation worldwide. the united nations and even the united states speaking out against these attacks. what is your response to those attacks? >> well, let's be very clear. israeli does not target u.n. facilities and israeli does not target civilians. back in 2009, the united nations human rights council alleged that israeli was deliberating striking at civilians. a commission called the gold stone commission was put together. it reflected that view as well. finally, gold stone in "the washington post" in 2011 wrote israeli does not do that. it doesn't target civilians. we are seeing a loss of life. we have to figure out why that's occurring and we have to figure out where the blame lies. but it is not with the israeli defense forces. >> david? >> dr. gold, when the unity agreement between mahmoud abbas' fatah movement and hamas was announced last april, prime minister netanyahu denounced it. even though language submerged from that that would install the palestinian authority under abbas as the new governing authority in gaza, and i'm wondering, you think prime minister netanyahu might change his position enough to allow that p.a. governing authority to have some clout? >> well, david, here is the dilemma and the hope. excuse me? >> go ahead. [ speaking in foreign language ] okay. >> did we lose him? >> communications difficulty with dr. gold in israeli? >> all right. thanks, t.j. we had a big international -- that was going make some news and he pressed the chopper 4 button. we really appreciate that. do we have him back yet? t.j.? way to go, t.j. i swear to god. we have got to find him. seriously? >> joe, i want an answer to that question. >> i know. >> i want an answer to that question too. >> it was coming, i think. >> t.j. pressed the wrong button. it's like when i said a word on the air accidentally. >> did he get it in time? >> here it is. >> show me the seven-second delay. do you have it there, t.j.? >> yeah, we have it. >> make sure you get that right and also if you can get the dori gold button right. i swear to god, how do we do the show with him? >> we want an answer to that question. we deserve an answer to that question. we bring in ignatius for a reason. >> i'll answer it and then we can send it to dore. >> you want to answer the question you asked? be like "hardball." >> not now. >> oh, no. somebody forgot your button. >> he got my button. i love chris matthews. a great show. do we have the doctor back? >> i'm back. >> we thought there was either some malfeasance on the part of hamas or our director who is really not a really good director. so do you need david to ask you the question again, or can you answer it? >> david, give them the refresher on the question. >> it's about the reconciliation agreement? >> yes. dore, the simple question is moving forward now, would prime minister netanyahu be prepared to let the palestinian authority into gaza as the governing authority to empower it and its moderate members as a way of replacing hamas, even though that would mean accepting the hamas/fatah unity agreement? >> that's an excellent question. let me show you what the dilemma and opportunity is. the dilemma is -- this has happened when abbas made his deal with hamas. we wanted to know whether that would lead to hamas becoming more moderate, willing to go along with diplomatic option and what, of course, happened is right afterwards, we had the attack on those three israeli teenagers who were killed by hamas and then the escalation of rocket fire. so it didn't seem that the agreement was moving hamas in a better direction. we have also seen, as i'm sure you're aware, iran has improved its relaegs with hamas. if you look at the recent communications between the two, it seems they are moving back in the direction of hamas. so the question is can the palestinian authority play a more positive role? one of the things that everybody is looking at is the whole area of the rafah crossing. the egyptians will not open it up for trade if hamas is controlling the crossing. they are hoping that, of course, the palestinian authority will come in. >> mike barnicle? >> dr. gold, over the weekend, prime minister netanyahu was quoted as saying about the united states, don't ever second-guess me again. was that quote accurate and, if so, what does he mean? what is he referring to? >> you know, i saw that quote and it's a popular sport today in journalism to speculate about private phone calls and private conversations about the u.s. and israeli. i cannot verify that quote. it doesn't seem to make sense to me. >> all right. thank you so much, doctor. we greatly appreciate it. sorry for the transmission problems. hope to get you back soon. coming up next, rory mcilroy is back at it again with the world's top golf ranking at stake. we will show you how things played out this weekend at the world championship of golf. did he walk off the course this time? see? >> back problem. >> oh, back problems. >> this is horrible. >> an absolute -- >> i can't watch it again. >> i can't watch this. an absolutely gruesome basketball injury this weekend. we will update you on paul george's condition in "morning joe" sports. joe theismann has nothing on him. ♪ i make a lot of purchases for my business. and i get a lot in return with ink plus from chase. like 50,000 bonus points when i spent $5,000 in the first 3 months after i opened my account. and i earn 5 times the rewards on internet, phone services and at office supply stores. with ink plus i can choose how to redeem my points. travel, gift cards, even cash back. and my rewards points won't expire. so you can make owning a business even more rewarding. ink from chase. so you can. i'm spending too much timer our calhiringer. and not enough time in my kitchen. need to hire fast? go to ziprecruiter.com and post your job to over 30 of the web's leading job boards with a single click; then simply select the best candidates from one easy to review list. you put up one post and the next day you have all these candidates. makes my job a lot easier. over 100,000 businesses have already used zip recruiter and now you can use zip recruiter for free at a special site for tv viewers; go to ziprecruiter.com/offer99. dad: he's our broker. he helps looks after all our money. kid: do you pay him? 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>> tiger? >> no, rory. >> he is the best golfer in the world right now and he is going to remain the best golfer in the world right now because of tiger woods and what happened. playing in next weekend's pga championship, woods reaggravated the back injury that sidelined him for 11 weeks. >> you notice everything is falling apart on tiger? i mean, it just is. you know who else has things falling apart on them? >> who? >> people who are juiced up and then get off the juice. >> we are not necessarily saying -- >> i'm not necessarily saying that tiger was juiced up even though he is really, really big and when he came back from his, quote, injury, he was like two club lengths down and now everything is falling a part on him. i would never, ever suggest that tiger woods was juiced. i just wouldn't do that. >> he has a bad back. >> he just has a bad back. >> look the way he is walking there. >> he is older and everything is just falling apart on him. i think that just naturally happens when you swing a golf club. >> he is not playing golf for a while. >> no, he's not. >> old people golf. >> but if you are juiced. >> it hurts? >> and you get off the juice, you fall apart. of course, i'm not talking about tiger woods. why would anybody suspect that tiger woods was ever juiced? >> right. >> it's just like lance armstrong. >> we saw what happened -- >> i never saw that coming. >> really good? >> no. what are we doing here? sergio garcia? >> no one cares about golf. >> i'm not saying that tiger was juiced. that physique he had looking like hulk hogan? >> don't show that. you'll get sick. >> i'll spit it out and it will be good tv. >> paul george begins his recovery today after suffering an injury on friday in las vegas. he immediately went successful injury but the injury will likely cost the pacers star their all-star forward the entirety of next season and no doubt respark debate over whether nba players should participate in international competition. we are not going to show it. >> there is a lot of baseball but we have these fools in the control room who think the preseason football is more important than baseball. >> do we not have baseball? the yankees, red sox? >> how could we not have traded clay buchholz? >> this is why you're so grumpy today? >> that is one of the reasons. >> mike, we trade everybody. why were we trading everybody? >> we traded everybody to build immediately for the future. >> are we going to get lester back next year? >> i'd say it's 50/50 red sox re-sign him. >> i think i'm pulling for the a's now. >> you have to pull for oakland. >> i've been there. i like the a's. they are nice. >> you smoked a lot of dope when you went to berkeley, didn't you? >> oh, my god. what would that ever have to do with the a's? >> you just talked. let's get it out on the table now. >> i am a mother now! >> how much dope did you smoke when you went to berkeley? >> let me say uc-berkeley, it's easier to get pot than alcohol and it's really easy to get alcohol. >> yeah. is that your way of saying i smoked a lot of pot? >> no, i'm not. i'm just describing the climate wh where i went to college. >> would you say this time if you ever got back into government, yes, i smoked massive quantities of pot? 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[ screaming ] >> we have spoiled a wild deer. >> are you serious? >> i just wonder if he is going to be able to do his job with lyme's disease. >> beyond baseball. >> he is going to have lyme's disease. >> i want to send that guy a kitty or a puppy, right? >> way to go, t.j. we cut him off for that. all right, listen, i swear it will get better. coming up at the top of the hour, the house is in recess. we are no closer to a deal on immigration or anything. will this force the president's hand to take executive action again? even though the republicans ask him to take executive action on immigration reform, will they then try to impeach him for doing what they asked him to do? plus, how does this impact the presidential hopefuls in the republican party? this mitt romney thing keeps going. did you see this? like everybody is saying, mitt needs to run. mike murphy joins the conversation next. >> thank god. >> the most dangerous political prognosticator in all of america. he's here and he is on "morning joe." ♪ if energy could come from anything?. or if power could go anywhere? 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>> i think congress has to sit down and have a serious look at this constitutional and that includes that "i" word we don't want to say. >> you don't think an impeachment is possible? >> i think it would be foolish to discount the possibility. >> mitch mcconnell and his opponent alison lundergan grimes. >> if mitchell mcconnell were a tv show, he would be mad men. he is stuck in 1968 and ending this season! ♪ >> goodness gracious. i think i'm just going to listen to the police for a little bit and let that sink in. ♪ my message in a bottle >> there you go. >> not getting much better. welcome back to "morning joe." mike barnicle and nicole wallace still with us and al hunt. with us at the table while the republicans should move quickly for impeachment proceedings against president obama, columnist for "time" magazine, mike murphy. also in washington nbc news white house chief correspondent and host of "the daily rundown," chuck todd. mike murphy, why can't they just say no way? when the question of impeachment is brought up. >> it's a little bit like the kid and the light socket. >> can we waterboard them? is it okay? >> it's not torture. >> it's not. they will be the first to say it's not torture. >> now that nobody has a swing district any more, the whole game is the primary. >> right. >> everywhere. so that is the frequency everybody is tuned into. >> impeachment, impeachment, impeachment. >> it feels like winning. that is the problem. they get together and there is free coffee, you know? the problem is strategically if we are ever going to get outside the minority in a presidential race, we have to change some stuff and the incentives kid in a light socket, don't put your finger in the light socket. zap. >> there it is. whoever runs for president down the road, damaged by it. mike, what do we have? >> we have the big immigration hot button, putting your finger in a socket. president obama will take several more weeks before taking executive actions. house republicans to limit the president's power to delay deportation. the bill doesn't have much support in the action. the lack of action has some republicans floating impeachment, a welcome topic for democrats, welcome to drive the president's supporters to the polls. >> i think congress has to sit down and have a serious look at the rest of this constitution and that includes that "i" word we don't want to say and i say that only on this program because i want to encourage the president, please don't put america into a constitutional crisis. >> you don't really think impeachment is possible? >> when the house takes an unprecedented step to sue the president of the united states for -- and even though he is issuing executive orders more than a hundred years, i think it's foolish to discount the possibility. >> brand-new nbc polls say americans are not happy with congress' job performance. wow that is news. 74% say congress has not been able to get anything done and 1 in 5 say congress is somewhat productive. we want to know who the 1 is. a fraction think they are productive. a clear divide which americans would like to see in control after the midterms. by a slim margin registered voters would like to see republicans regain control of the senate from democrats and stay in power in the house. >> mike murphy, it's a race to the bottom. the president has low approval ratings. you look in those states where he has low approval ratings in the red states and republicans have even lower approval ratings. >> it's 1916. when do we run out of bullets and grind the thing down in a sea of blood? it's horrible. it is the nature of our politics because everything is based politics. the problem for the party -- i think far more likely to win the senate but what happens if we do and get the big microphone set up for the 16 where everything is at stake including the senate again. >> i ask you as a republican consultant, what are the republicans and the house stand for? what have they done other than investigate and say no? what have they done? that what is their pro active piece of legislation to get america back to work? >> oo they would say they pass good budget stuff but if you would -- fundamentally, here is what we are against. >> it's resentment. >> yeah. that is the question of 16. do we run the resentment campaign or how do we fix america? >> if we run the resentment campaign in 2016, we lose 6 out of 7. >> which would beat the washington generals because their losing streak was 24. we tie them. >> we, right now, on the national scale, chuck todd, the republicans are kind like the washington generals and reminds me of clancy, the clown, how could you bet against the harlem globetrotters? i thought the generals were due. the republicans are due but they are not going to get anything done as long as this continues. i mean, talking about impeachment? i mean, nobody is seriously talking about impeachment in the republican party, but these yahoos go on sunday shows and they get attention. >> by the way, so the white house is in cahoots with roger and chris wallace to get steve king on fox. you couldn't have played into the white house's hands more. i think the white house would love if everybody booked steve king 24 hours a day, because he is one of those guys, but it's in a fringe part of the house republican conference that is talking about it. but there he is going out there bringing it up and making dan pfeiffer say, see, i told you. and then be able to say, hey, john boehner, he can't control his own conference, so he may be taking it off the table, but, you know, his own members won't take it off the table. so we do, you know, you may think we are just being chicken little about this but, hey, see, there is that guy two weeks in a row now, fox has put somebody on that won't take it off the table, but it does feel like a total base feeding frenzy here. you know, again, it's something i said on friday. as mike said, democrats have handed the senate potentially to the republicans on a silver platter. steve king and those guys are just knocking it over. >> al hunt, you and i collectively have been covering politics since the cleveland administration. >> i was there in harrison, mike. >> yeah. can you recall, remember, think about a more dysfunctional political time in the last 30, 40, or 50 years than what we have right now, what we are enduring right now as the american public? >> no, i can't, mike. a simple answer. and i agree with what mike murphy said. i think this should be a republican year. they may be able to somehow just snatch it away. i'll go a step further than chuck todd. if i were the dnc or dnscc, i would pay for steve king to go all over america. i would put him in every single district. >> get him a plane, right? >> and denigrate him is just the fringe. he is the guy, along with ted cruz, who forced boehner to change on immigration. he's a guy that really resulted in the house making a fool of itself. he's not an insignificant figure in that caucus. >> what do republicans do, nicole? we got chloroform, right? >> i think -- >> we have a back room meeting, steve, we want you to attend. >> i think you hope that maybe we don't go over the finish line. we don't take the senate, so that we can spend a couple of more years gathering ourselves around someone who hasn't had to make all of these compromises. i think you hope for a governor to carry dr. >> you're saying for us to win, we have to lose? >> i'm not able to trot out in these fancy campaigns like mike murphy is. >> i would go out and throw the senate. in '16, it's bad for us. we have a lot to defend in a bad year in '16. give us the big microphone. if we continue this stuff and the country takes a look at this and say who are these people and take it down again. >> the question for anybody around the table is this. what do the republicans in washington, d.c. stand for? >> exactly. >> name the big thing they stand for, other than investigating the irs, which they should do, investigating the nsa, which they should do, investigating benghazi, do all of the investigations, that's fine, but you got to have two tracks! you got to have the people investigating but then you need legislation that will get america back to work! what is it? >> good day, they are not bad on fiscal stuff but they only have about two good days a week. >> because of paul ryan. >> al hunt? >> i think there are a number of republican ideas floating out there. paul ryan and marco rubio and rand paul but it gets overshadowed by the steve king's and all of that fringe element. and look at the primaries this year. in mississippi and in georgia and in virginia, it was that immigration bashing that really, really took hold and helped some of those insurgent candidates and i think that may be good short-term politics for them but it's lousy long-term politics. >> what was your reaction, joe, when you saw the story over the weekend about senator ted cruz having 20 to 30 house republicans over to the senate side to his office to talk about immigration and basically to goat them or urge them to obstruct any further immigration legislation? >> i think that is ted cruz's right. i think the guys that have the voting cards or the women who have the voting cards have ultimate responsibility to do what they need to do. they don't need to hide behind ted cruz. you know, if they are not man enough or woman enough to go over and vote their conscience and do what they think is best for themselves and best for their party and best for their country, then they are too weak to be in congress. everybody is trying to blame ted cruz right now. he's not the public master. they are looking for an excuse to be cowards and to go back to their district and not do anything. say, oh, we are standing up to barack obama and we're going to impeach him or we are investigating the irs and we are investigating benghazi. benefit ghazi, benghazi, benghazi. like you said they are not in swing districts and nobody saying my family has been out of work for eight month. my husband has a college degree and i have two kids that need to get into college. we don't have the money to do that. in fact, we have to put our house up for for sale. there is nobody has that to go there and talk about what middle class americans are suffering through right now. i will guarantee you that somebody whose father was out of work for two years in the early 1970s, these people don't give a damn about benghazi right now. they care about getting back to work and getting food on their table, and getting their kids into college and hoping that their children will have a better life than they. >> what drives me crazy is the constant hammering of the face courage. how courageous is it to go home and tell only in your party base exactly what they want to hear? if i hear ted cruz talk about how courageous he is in washington. i don't blame him for going and playing politics in washington. that is part of equation and he is running for president. pretty simple. he will try to own these issues and now he might have to try to get through rick perry which will be tremendously fun to watch and off he goes. as far as getting anything done, we are not getting anything done. >> mike, such a great point. i was thinking about this weekend. all of these guys stand up and talk about the great courage they are showing. they are not showing korcourage. they are playing to 90% of what their people want them to do. >> they are going home and basically saying, look, here is the plan. we are not going to govern. >> they are cowards. courage would be actually -- would actually be taking a chance on something that is not popular. >> a year ago i was always calling on ted cruz to resign in texas and move to michigan where we had an open seat in the swing state and run there and show how it's done. take his message to a swing state, put it all on the line. and never got a reply on that. >> let's talk about another state. congress kicks off its five-week vacation, folks. five weeks they are taking off. all eyes on the political world this weekend turned to the crucial senate race in kentucky. republican senator mitch mcconnell and democrat allison lundergan grimes met at the political fair in a rural town of fancy farm. candidates shared the stage in front of a record crowd and supporters from both sides looking on, red shirts for mcconnell and blue for grimes, the 35-year-old democrat made her case against the 30-year veteran. >> what a huge crowd for senator mcconnell's retirement party! if mitch mcconnell were a tv show, he would be "mad men," treating women unfairly, stuck in 1968, and ending this season! when it comes to our students being able to afford college, mitchell mcconnell, well, he doesn't care! when it comes to being a woman and being treated qael equally here in the commonwealth of kentucky, well, mitchell mcconnell doesn't care! senator, you seem to think that the president is on the ballot this year. he's not. this race is between me and you and the people of kentucky while we attend to hold you accountable for your 30 years of failed leadership. >> was that the real mitchell mcconnell they are showing there? >> it's time for the steel cage. i'm telling you. >> i would love to go to that event! >> he is going to beat her. i'll bet money. >> he was next. mcconnell was next on the stage and his speech linking grimes to one of the most unpopular figures in the democratic party. >> by any standard, barack obama has been a disaster for our country! that's what you get for electing someone with no experience. he was only -- he was only two years into his first job when he started campaigning for the next one. sound familiar? there was so much turmoil around the world, we can't afford a leader who thinks the west bank is a hollywood fund-raiser. there is only one way to begin to go in a different direction. that is to change the senate and make me the leader of a new majority to take america a different direction! >> senator mcconnell got a ten in the mellow meter. that is so incredibly lame. kentucky senator rand paul was also at the event. earlier in the day -- >> hold on. before you hand out ten's on the lameo meter, okay? it's all -- you know, you got to see what rand paul said first. i think you'll bump mitch down to a 9 or an 8. >> really? >> because rand may have nailed that. >> i thought her -- mad men, get it? >> that was a good one. >> no, i don't think so. >> that's what i mean on the lameo meter. >> but for lameo meters. >> rank them. we have time, right? >> here is rand paul. >> let's hear rand paul. >> there once was a woman from kentucky who thought in politics she would be lucky, so they flew to l.a. for a hollywood bash. she came home in a flash with bucket of cash. to liberals, she whispers coal makes you sick. in kentucky, she claims coal makes us tick. one thing that we know is true, one thing we know is guaranteed, she would cast her first vote for harry reid! >> ladies and gentlemen, i think we have a winner. ew. it's rand paul. >> what do you think? >> i want to hear from -- >> i was waiting for green eggs and ham is probably the big closer. yeah. there's a thing in hollywood as a hollywood conservative that conservatives use is "five more minutes. give it five more minutes. try a little harder." i wish i was there, though. >> that is quite a race going on down there, chuck todd. >> they might have as well as just done your mamma jokes. it might have been funnier and they could have gone back and forth. you read these speeches as they prepared them. you wince just reading them and then listening to them, you're like, they are really delivering this on camera? really? they are going to be quoted saying these things? but, look. this is the -- you know, all of the other races, there's a bang shot here and constituency group there and a wedge issue here. not in this one, man. this one is so clear, it's sort of you know exactly -- we can explain exactly how each candidate wins if they win. if grimes win, that mcconnell experience business was too much. 30 years is too much, he can't do it. if he wins, coal was just too much for her to take. there wasn't enough democratic votes for her. there is no easier race in the country to handicap and we know exactly what -- by the way, the thing hasn't moved. this thing has been a one or two point race for six months and be that until election race. a great race. >> you think mcconnell is going to win? >> yeah. i don't bet against mitch in fights in kentucky. election day it will come down to one thing. do they want to punish obama or mitch? they got to pick one and i think they are going to punish obama. >> all right. all right. . thank you so much, chuck todd. we will watch you at 9:00 eastern on "the daily rundown." al hunt, thank you for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. >> those lines make you miss the late, great -- >> genuinely funny is rare but it works. otherwise it's the lead and written stuff. ahead on "morning joe," second ebola patient set to return to the u.s. this week, we take a look at what the deadly virus could do if there is an outbreak in our country. how richard nixon was able to create the so-called new majority. douglas brinkley and pat buchanan with his new book on nixon, joins us at 8:00. a big name joins the fight against teacher tenure law. that "morning joe" exclusive is straight ahead. ♪ honey, look i got one to land. uh-huh. 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i've seen this movie. you were in the car behind the ambulance? dr. alex isikoff was in that suv behind the ambulance. he says there is no risk to the public. >> if i had ebola and i was touching your hand, maybe you would be at risk for contracting it. if i coughed and sneezed in your face, you would be at risk for contracting it, but that's how it's transmitting. >> not from standing a room away from someone? >> absolutely. not from being in an ajissent room and not from casual communication. >> reporter: brantly's family has been talking to him through a partition. where the brantly's first met, a friend road their words. we are amazed and humble by the worldwide response in prayer by this crisis. we cannot share any news of kent's condition but please know we believe kent will be healed and that healing will come from the hand of god. the other american missionary who has ebola nancy writebol, is expected here possibly by tomorrow for treatment. while peace corps volunteers are being evacuated out of west africa, interesting to note many african leaders have landed in washington and here for a summit with president obama. >> thank you, kate. appreciate it. with more on the ebola crisis, let's bring in dr. toby cosgrove. the president and ceo of the cleveland clinic. mike barnicle wants to know if he is going to get the ebola virus and be quarantined for six months. the question is we're reading a lot of story, a lot of hyperventilating and a lot of concerns about this coming to the united states. isn't it easier to catch the flu than the ebola virus? >> absolutely. everybody is concerned about the ebola virus particularly because it's very lethal but it's not highly contagious. the influenza virus is much more contagious than ebola so i think we are at very little risk. you have to understand now that we are now in a global world and transportation has made a disease that happens in one part of the world part of the world's problems. we have seen that with sars and multiple other diseases. >> right. >> i think it's important that we are prepared through the cdc and other organizations in the united states to look after these sort of situations. >> so what do we do if we fly back from a country, people flying back from a country, a lot of people watch this show that travel internationally and have business on every continent. what do we do? wear 12 masks or something or not worry about that? what do we do? >> i don't think you have to worry on airplanes. what we are seeing people coming from south africa being scanned for temperatures when they come into the united states by the cdc. if that is the case they get quarantin quarantined. the period of incubation for ebola is somewhere between six and 21 days. some people are coming back already and taking their temperature on a regular basis and if, in fact, they have a problem, they are going to be notified. going to notify authorities. so i think we have done a great job of the cdc in beginning to isolate this particular disease and quarantine really is the major therapy for this sort of an epidemic. in fact, there have been ten of these epidemics in africa since 1976, they have been quarantined in relatively rural areas and burned themselves out over time. the problem now that it's in the cities where there is little ability to qaruarantine an enti city. >> i know the peace corps is being arrived in evacuating peace corps workers around the world. i have a family member who lives and works abroad. what do you do if you have family members or friends living and working abroad and you're not sure that they have access to the kind of health care that we have here? people like you, people that understand and now how these diseases spread. what are their best resources for working abroad? >> i think the main issue is right now in west africa and the three countries you talked about previously. it does not seem to be located outside of that particular area. unless you are in one of those three countries, i don't think you have a concern. >> mike barnicle? >> toby, are you at all concerned about the potential for hysteria and misinformation on social media? in kate snow's piece about people tweeting about these things with very little knowledge about what is going on and where it's going on. >> i think it is a concern, mike. we need to get the true information out about the issue. look at how well-prepared the cdc is, and understand about how this disease spreads, and make people understand that the risk of this particular disease is very low, particularly the way it's being handled currently in the united states. >> toby, let me ask you a quick question about a "the new york times" article i saw yesterday in the magazine. some children are cured from autism. autism affects our family. got a child that has got asperberger's but i've noticed him improving over the years and i've been shocked by a lot of the improvements. i'm sure you read the article and i'm sure you know about the research. what is behind that, about some children actually being moved out almost off the autism spectrum? >> well, we have a school at the cleveland clinic of about a hundred students and we have been using this behavioral therapy now for 15 years. we see about 5% of the children who completely have their autism symptomatology go away. about 25% of the students are able to be mainstreamed starting early on, say, at about age 2 by the time they get to kindergarten or first grade they are able to be mainstreamed into the schools with little or very little support. so, you know, there is -- this is now an accepted form of therapy. >> so what is the common denominator for the kids that beat autism? is it that you guys work extraordinarily hard and others work to mainstream them to impact their behavior to try to get them as much as in their own world and in social settings? how do you do it? >> a couple of things. the diagnosis needs to be made early and need to get to people early. secondly there appears to be a correlation between i.q. and your ability to recover and higher i.q.s do better at recovering than do other children. it's very intensify therapy and 35 hours one-on-one a week with a child. it's very expensive. but it is the best hope that we have currently. >> all right. very good. thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it, dr. cosgrove and hope to see you again soon. >> my pleasure. coming up, campbell brown's fight against a teacher tenure gets a major boost. she is here to explain when "morning joe" returns. we will ask err about those nasty tweets too. in new york state, we're changing the way we do business, with startup ny. we've created tax free zones throughout the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax. which means more growth for your business, and more jobs. it's not just business as usual. see how new york can help your business grow, at startup.ny.gov a good night's sleep... and aveeno®. 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"the new york times" reports about david in lining himself with a cause bitterly opposed to by teachers union he is emblem mattic between the democrats and teachers union. he viewed the cause of tenure overhaul as, quote, pro-teacher. randy wine gartgardner told me will be on the show or at some point. her low point was turning on the show and seeing a bunch of liberals around me and all of them attacking what she is doing at the teachers unions. this is no longer a republican/democrat/conservative /liberal issue. a lot of democrats are concerned about what is going on. why did you decide to get involved in this hot button issue? >> i think education may be the most important issue we have in this country. i think it's a basic civil right. we started desegregating our schools based on race and now segregating our schools based on economics. we don't have effect education in this country and we need it. >> don't you consider this to be, like, one of the civil rights issues? making sure that an african-american kid or in the bronx or harlem has a shot at education as saying my kid or kids in scarsdale, new york. >> absolutely. if they don't get an education, they are lost to this country and they are lost to their families. and if we are not able to fix our educational system, we can't compete globally. >> david, you say this as the son of two public school teachers and as a lifelong liberal. i got to tell you, it is hard talking -- it's hard to find liberals who aren't directly involved in, let's say, teachers union or have some stake in it that aren't exactly where you are, which is we have got to do what we have to do to help the truly disadvantage get a break. >> i think that's exactly right, because liberals have always wanted equal opportunity. and the thing that prevents equal opportunity today, more than anything else, is access to education. we need education. look at the technology the people have to master. you can't do that if you don't have effective teachers. teachers are the most important, in my view, most important profession we have in this country. if you don't have good teachers, you don't have good doctors, you don't have good business people. you don't have any society unless you can educate your youth. and it's totally unfair the people don't get in quality education. >> mike, as campbell said before, i mean, there are a lot of great, great public school teachers out there. there are some that aren't great and they shouldn't be protected. the children should be protected. >> well, i think that is part of the confusion about this issue. like you, david, i mean, my mother was a school teacher. she taught for 35 years. yet there seems to be, within this issue, this cloud of misinformation that this is aimed at teachers. it's not really aimed at teachers. it's aimed at reforming a system that has been set in place for -- you tell me what it's about. >> i think it's about us beginning to treat teachers like professionals. >> right. >> and to me that means also paying teachers more. here in new york, a starting teacher salary is barely above $3,000 a year which is hard to even live on $30,000 a year. we by no mean tackling these laws is a silver bullet and solve all of the problems. but it is acknowledging that teachers aren't interchangeable and that they are individuals and they should be evaluated and rewarded for performance as any individual would in any other profession. >> you get municipality cutbacks with shrinking budgets and what happens in school departments is the best teachers are often, quite often, some of the younger teachers and they go first. >> that's right. you look at program like teach for america. every summer, we have the teach for america volunteers up at our house to a picnic and they are just great. they are enthusiastic. and, yet, some people want to keep teach for america out of new york city schools. it doesn't make any sense if what you're primarily concerned about -- >> why do they want to keep them out? >> because they view them at competition for people who are already teaching there. i think they -- listen. maybe they are disruptive in the sense they have new ideas and enthusiasm. that is what teaching is about! >> exactly! >> my parents were teachers. i grew up with teachers. i mean, teachers are the best people in the world. they love kids. and they are out there, the best teachers, and i think most -- most teachers feel this way. it's -- this is not anti-teacher. this is pro-education and pro-child and ultimately it's pro-teacher because that is the way you make them professionals. >> randy says tenured laws and other laws are against cronyism and patriotism and hiring based on what who you know and not what you know. >> we haven't been doing that in our educational system for years. not the way to get a job in new york city. people get jobs based on merit. we need to keep that merit system going while they progress. >> what is next? >> we brought this case in new york inspired by one in california where the judge ruled in their favor. around the country and you're going to see additional lawsuits being brought in other states too because parents are seeing this as an opportunity to express themselves, to voice their frustration with the system they think is failing them, and with legislatures that haven't moved to address these problems for years. it's a way of them saying we're fed up and if you're not going to deal with the problem, we're going off the courts. >> you don't want to read twitter these days. >> haters gonna hate, right? >> but outside of twitter, this is an idea whose time has come. i think randi weingar ten will be on. pat pbuchanan is standing b talking about his book on richard nixon on, my gosh, what is this, the 40th anniversary of nixon's resignation? >> yeah. >> 40th anniversary day, and our friend, pat, is here to talk about his new book on richard nixon. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right 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the allegation of spying and a stern warning from israel's prime minister suggests the relationship between the united states and israel is in serious need of repair. plus our politics is local and there's never more true than at fancy farm this week. boy, that was ugly. that was a pig fight. you've just got to see what happened down there, man. >> unbelievable. >> and by the way, you know what, elvis, he goes to vegas in '68, shocks the world. that's his great comeback. >> yeah. >> what's happening here today? bigger than elvis going back to vegas in '68. the return of elvis? no. we've got the return -- >> suspicious minds. >> suspicious minds, that was a great one. but now we've got the return of patrick j. buchanan on the 40th nixon of richard nixon's resignation. stick around, it will change your life. this is going to be big. what if there was a credit card where the reward was that new car smell and the freedom of the open road? a card that gave you that "i'm 16 and just got my 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promising to go solo on the humanitarian crisis on the border. >> so that's not a disagreement between me and the house republicans, that's a disagreement between the house republicans and the house republicans. >> what are you going to do about it? >> i think the congress has to have a serious look at the constitution. >> you don't really think impeachment is possible? >> i i think it would be foolish to discount the possibility. >> mitch mcconnell and his competitor threw down. >> we can't afford a leader who thinks the west bank is a hollywood fund-raiser. >> if mitch mcconnell were a tv show, he'd be "mad men," he's stuck in 1968 and ending this season. my goodness, that just makes me tired. i don't know about you, barnicle, but i'm tired. seriously? can they not hire professional joke writers, right? >> you still have to tell them. >> that's a good use for super pacs, right? let's say super pac money should go to pay for hollywood speech writers and make all of our lives better. welcome back to "morning joe." mike barnicle is with us. also nicolle wallace still here. with us on set "new york times" reporter tripp gabriel. he was paid extra to go listen to those jokes in kentucky. we're going to talk kentucky politics with tripp in just a minute but first let's go to israel with a seven-hour truce is under way in the gaza strip right now. if israel pulls back on its ground operations while leaving the door open to future strikes against hamas. on sunday an israeli missile killed ten people at a u.n. school where thousands of civilians were taking cover from the fighting. the attack, which was apparently aimed at a passing motorcycle, left dozens of palestinians injured. it also sparked intense criticism from the international community, including from our united states state department that said the u.s. is, quote, appalled by the disgraceful shelling. the u.n. went even further calling the israeli action, quote, a moral outrage and a criminal act. israel's continued air campaign followed last week's broken cease-fire. after that collapsed benjamin netanyahu told senior american officials, quote, not to ever second-guess me again. perhaps the united states may never again want to give him $3 billion a year. meanwhile germany's leading newspaper says israeli intelligence news agencies eaves dropped on secretary of state john kerry's phone conversations during last year's peace negotiations and then used that information against him in those peace negotiations. let's bring in right now from charleston, south carolina, op-ed columnist, roger cohen. roger, i read your op-ed this weekend and just absolutely loved it. i want to read a little bit of it for our viewers and then get you to respond. by the way, i just want to say for the record it is not fair that you get to be in charleston, south carolina, and the rest of us have to be here. so this is why americans see israel the way they do. to cross the atlantic to america as i did recently from london is a move from one moral universe to its opposite in relation to israel's war with hamas and gaza. fury over palestinian civilian casualties has risen to a fevered pitch in europe and the u.s., by contrast, support for israel remains strong. the israel saga, of courage and will,icies in american mythology far beyond religious identification and it goes on and on and on. you set up, though, roger, this parallel universe that i noticed in 2006 when i went from the u.s. to london and just watched bbc reporting and was stunned. it was like i had been transported into another world. you talk about how anti-semitism is sweeping across europe at an alarming rate. at the same time in america, we unquestionably support israel where even images of dead children or women in these mortar attacks would be seen as almost unpatriotic. talk about that divide. >> well, good morning, joe. i think it's an unhelpful divide in many ways because it prevents either side, whether the united states or europe, from seeing the whole picture. in the u.s. palestinian suffering remains a taboo subject in congress, can't talk about it. in a quasipacifist europe where the slaughter of jews took place, it's impossible to see israel responding to rocket attack from an organization that is bent on its destruction. what state, after all, would not respond in such circumstances. and i think it's important to see the grievous errors mad by both sides rather than just seeing one side of the picture. in the u.s., it's support for israel. and in europe, it's sympathy, understandable sympathy, for the huge number of palestinian victims and growing anger at what is seen as indiscriminate israeli attacks on this small area called gaza. >> growing anger in europe. you talked about anti-semitism in europe. you also mentioned germany specifically, a country who's been israel's closest ally other than the u.s., certainly since the horrors of the holocaust. but you say there even cracks in that facade now. explain. >> well, i lived in germany, joe, as correspondent for "the new york times" about a dozen years ago. at that time what's been happening now would have been unthinkable. germans felt they had to show allegiance to israel because nazis had slaughtered jews. now with the passing of time this time around, you've seen violence, including an attempt to set a synagogue in one german town on fire. awful slogans, anti-semitic slogans being chanted at demonstrations. a very ugly atmosphere. and i think germans with the passing of time -- look, this is the work of a rabid fringe. it doesn't represent the mainstream in any way. but still, for this to happen in germany is very troubling. you're seeing similar incidents in france and elsewhere to the point that you have the foreign ministers of france, germany and italy making a statement saying anti-semitism has no place in our societies. the distinction between anti-zionism and anti-semitism has in my view always been a much more flimsy one than those claiming that just anti-zionists say. nevertheless, the way this has spilled over in parts of europe into open anti-semitism is very troubling. >> roger, i was with senator george mitchell on saturday. during the day on saturday, he did a half dozen interviews. he was telling me four of them were from overseas outlets, the bbc, other european outlets, two of them were here in the united states. he was saying that it was like a parallel universe, the questions that he was getting from european outlets as opposed to the questions that he was getting from united states outfits. so my question to you has to do with the coverage. we see the coverage here obviously in the united states. how different is the coverage of what is going on in gaza within europe as opposed to here? >> i think it's different in significant degrees. of course the bbc just like "the new york times" would say that it's trying to be balanced and objective. everybody in this conflict, as you know, has extremely strongly held views, so they perceive bias, even if that bias doesn't necessarily exist. but all media organizations in europe are working against a backdrop of extreme anger at this point at israeli bombardment of gaza. that is the backdrop in which they're working, the atmosphere. similarly in the united states, you're working in an atmosphere where jon stewart, just because he reports on palestinian suffering, is said to reveal this to americans. any criticism of israel is seized upon and said to be some kind of betrayal of a very important american ally. so that's the cultural environment, if you like, in which this is happening. i think it makes the reporting on both sides of the atlantic -- either side of the atlantic different. >> okay, roger, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate it and we hope you don't have to move to an island somewhere between the united states and europe as you wrote about in your piece to be able to find a more balanced nuanced view of this extraordinarily important issue. roger, thanks for being with us. >> thank you very much. >> we hope to get back sometime soon. it is interesting, roger was also talking about how, you know, if you even show images of palestinian suffering, of palestinian children in the united states, that's almost considered taboo. >> well, i don't think that the media has been intimidated by any of that. i see those images every night. i think that the media actually deserves some credit for not only showing a pretty rounded picture. i feel like i've seen lots of those horrific images, but also of listening to -- i think there was someone at cnn that was accused of being impartial and in this rapid media climate people get right on the air and address the criticism. i think journalalists have been confrontational trying to address that. mike, let's move to kentucky. >> another conflict in kentucky. has congress kicks off its five-week vacation. >> boy, that must be nice. >> all eyes in the political world turned to the crucial race in kentucky. mitch mcconnell and allison lundgren grimes met in the rural town of fancy farm. the candidates shared the stage in front of a record crowd with supporters from both sides looking on. red shirts for mcconnell, blue for grimes. the 35-year-old democrat made her case against the 30-year veteran. >> what a huge crowd for senator mcconnell's retirement party. if mitch mcconnell were a tv show, he'd be "mad men," treating women unfairly, stuck in 1968 and ending this season. and when it comes to our students being able to afford college, mitch mcconnell, well, he doesn't care. when it comes to being a woman and being treated equally here in the commonwealth of kentucky, well, mitch mcconnell doesn't care. senator, you seem to think that the president is on the ballot this year. he's not. this race is between me and you and the people of kentucky. we intend to hold you accountable for your 30 years of failed leadership. >> by any standard barack obama has been a disaster for our country. that's what you get for electing someone with no experience. he was only -- he was only two years into his first job when he started campaigning for the next one. sound familiar? with so much turmoil around the world, we can't afford a leader who thinks the west bank is a hollywood fund-raiser. there's only one way to begin to go in a different direction. that's to change the senate and make be the leader of the new majority to take america in a different direction. >> all right, tripp, we've already talked about if this was a comedy special, it would have been cancelled five minutes in. but it seemed like a pretty raucous crowd there. they were getting into it. give us a color, like were there wild borars running around chewing at your ankles? it seemed crazy. >> fancy farm is one of the unique events in american politics. it's one of the great datelines in american politics in far west kentucky. but it's very rare to go to a political rally where you have both democrats and republicans on the stage at the same time and a mixed audience of supporters of both. so while a candidate is speaking, half the crowd is cheering and half the crowd is shouting and trying to heckle and distract and cause them to lose their cool. >> so what did you pick up down there, just confidence in the mcconnell crowd, the grimes crowd, what do you pick up? >> both sides are very confident. it's a close race, statistically a tie in all the polls that have shown up. closer than it ought to be. mitch mcconnell is running for a sixth term. he won easily the last two times. this race is close. >> why is it so close, especially with her -- the mcconnell people say her anti-coal position, barack obama's unpopularity in the state. does this seek to mcconnell's built-in weaknesses in kentucky? >> it does. she had a joke that her approval ratings were about her age, which is 35. he's got a lot of power in washington, minority leader. he's never been hugely popular in question. >> look at that, by the way, 36% are favorable. 43% unfavorable. i'm not really good at politics, i don't know much, but if you've been around for that much and your favorable ratings are 36%. that's pretty crazy. >> you know, we watched those two clips that we just saw. it's, as you said, great dateline, fancy farm, kentucky. the mixed crowd, republicans, democrats. was there any joy in the crowd or was it combative? >> it's both. i think people love to go there because you get a chance to shout at the other guy. >> they're having fun, right? >> they're having fun. there's barbecue, they cook ten tons of barbecue out there. >> ten tons? >> that's a lot of meat. >> a lot of barbecue. >> it's like a kentucky-louisville game. >> listen, at the risk of hurting your sides from laughing, do you want to see one more? >> are you ready for rand paul? >> yeah, i was going to ask about the rand paul impact. i'm excited to see this. >> senator rand paul. >> there once was a woman from kentucky who thought in politics she'd be lucky. so she flew to l.a. for a hollywood bash, she came home in a flash with buckets of cash. to liberals she whispers, coal makes you sick. in kentucky she claims coal makes us tick. one thing that we know is true, one thing we know is guaranteed, she cast her first vote for harry reid. >> i wanted to ask you about the rand paul part because he's patched together a pretty smart, strong coalition of supporters for himself but he's not really world's most charismatic stump speecher. what is his impact? what effect did that have? >> what's interesting about rand on saturday was that he completely put aside all of the issues he's been talking about to pull together this national campaign. he didn't talk about enlarging the republican party. he didn't talk about speaking more to minority groups in this country. he was a completely -- it was a perfect surrogate for senator mcconnell and everything he did was on the talking points of the mcconnell campaign. i'm not sure who wrote his limericks. >> i was going to say, if he was a perfect surrogate, he would have left his little limerick at home. >> didn't he remind you a little of henny youngman? >> tripp, thank you for being with us, we appreciate it. still ahead, is mitt romney going to be the republican candidate by default in 2016? why the third time just may be the charm for the former governor of massachusetts. and a lot of talk. he's going around campaigning across the country, all the candidates on the republican side want him out there more than the democrats want president obama. plus the greatest comeback, how richard nixon was able to come back from political death to become the 37th president of the united states. the man who helped put him there returns! patrick buchanan back in the house with his latest book. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ in the nation, the safest feature in your car is you. add vanishing 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but first let's talk about mitt romney and this mitt romney revival. i was seeing matt lewis talked about you before. >> yeah, we had a good conversation just about a week ago. >> it's crazy, everybody is starting to turn back to mitt romney. he's going out, he's campaigning for them. what's going on here? >> i think the establishment of the republican party is seeing that chris christie may not be able to do it and that jeb bush does not look like he's in fit running condition. and i think they're looking to romney because they're looking for a candidate they think can move outside the red state base and win blue states possibly. the polls are showing romney running ten points or so ahead of obama. but he's running behind -- he's running behind hillary. my view, though, is that romney is sort of the nixon in the sense that he's a candidate who's lost two times or three times, whatever. and he's considered a loser. however, he's considered presidential material. i think a lot of people are looking at him because they think that maybe he's the only guy that can really go the distance. >> a lot of people are going back looking at the things he said with russia and other things. mitt was right, barack obama was wrong. maybe we should give this didn't i another look. >> i think so. and also there's a lot of folks that say if one of the tea party folks win or libertarians win, we're not going to win the election, he's one of the few guys that can do it. >> matt lewis, you wrote this on a romney comeback. ironically romney is tailor made to benefit from having lost before. it actually transforms romney into a more compelling candidate. having struggled and stumbled is, for romney at least, a feature, not a bug. explain that. >> that's right. look, for other candidates losing, it's a deal breaker, they're losers forever. but the knock on mitt romney has never been that he's a loser, it's always been that he's this kid in the front of the class with his hand up. kind of the goody goody who's lived a charmed life, he's got a beautiful wife, he's made a lot of money and i think we resent that honestly. i think the public doesn't like that about him. there's a movie why like the "rocky" movies are about people that make a comeback. i think it's possible that romney could benefit from having gone through this experience, having lost and then showing us that he's resilient and that he can make a comeback, like pat was talking about nixon. sometimes it could actually work in your favor. >> pat, you know, nixon ran at a different time, in a different field of candidates. how much of this romney resurrection talk that's going on do you think emanates from seeing people like rand paul on tv or the bleeding arrogance of a ted cruz? i mean delegates and republican leaders see that and think, geez, mitt romney is looking better and better. >> i want to associate myself with all your comments about cruz and rand, but there's no doubt about it. in the mainstream of the republican party, a lot of folks are behind rand, he's a libertarian, but they don't think he can win it. they think cruz may do extremely well in the primaries but they don't think he can win. but i also agree about the fact matt mentioned the fact that he lost. nixon told me back in 1966-67, you know, i'm eight years younger than i was in 1960 and so on who was on his staff was eight years older. he had gone through a tremendous maturing process. he was less angry, less youthful, less in your face. and i think a man benefits from getting beat. i think romney has clearly benefited as that and he's someone who's much more acceptable to the broad middle of america which is nonideological and nonpolitical. >> nixon is less angry? >> 1967, '68, he was very mature, very mature. my wife worked with him in 1960 and he was angry and he didn't put on makeup when he went to the debate. he'd get requests to do an interview and he'd brush them off. by '68, he listened. he had a young staff. none of us had been in 1960 at all. and he just -- he was a mature guy moving right through that incredible year '68 of assassination, of war and riots in the city and urban disorder, republican party split with goldwater wing and the nixon wing and rockefeller wing. >> so democrats get beaten up in 1960 and then humiliated in 1962 in his race for governor made him a better candidate in '68. >> and after that '62 defeat he said you won't have nixon to kick around anymore. quits politics. comes to new york. then goes out and campaigns for goldwater and then he sees, and i think i saw it when i went to see him in '65, you can see that path down the sideline opening up. and nixon said to himself i'm not going to kick this away, i'm not going to blow it. i'm going to do everything right. we probably won't be able to make it, but it was clearly there and he could see it. and he did everything right between '65 and '68. it was one of the most flawless campaigns i think that has gone on in the 20th century to take a noncharismatic figure, who had really, as you said, been humiliated and defeated, and have him get up off his butt and campaign for everyone in 1966, get into a head to head with lindyndon johnson then make a really smart decision stepping out of politics. he said i'm taking a moratorium for six months, he took it for a year. as he told me about mitt romney's father, he said let them chew on him for a little while. and then nixon returned for a section round. >> and that's exactly what romney is letting the press chew on, you know, whether it's rand paul or whether -- you name it. they're all chewing on them. he's just kind of sitting back waiting and seeing. it could be -- it could be an opportunity for him. >> absolutely. look, i think this is brilliant on nixon's behalf. i think that sort of laying low is an underrated political strategy these days. everybody has this sense that you have to be out there, you have to be generating buzz. but it takes a toll on people over the course of years. and i think it may be that a year from now or year and a half from now, we're sick of ted cruz and rand paul and even, you know, talk about jeb bush and then you turn to mitt romney, who would be fresh and he would be a compromise candidate who could come in fresh. he could instantly turn on the money machine. the other obvious analogy, though, he's doing what nixon did. he's going to be out campaigning this year for republicans all across the country. if republicans have a good midterm election, it's the nixon playbook strategy. >> just like republicans did in 1966 before the '68 comeback. matt, thank you so much. we greatly appreciate you being with us. pat, stay with us because coming up next, more on your book on how richard nixon was able to push beyond the warring factions in the gop and have one of the most incredible comebacks in american history. that's straight ahead when "morning joe" returns. you drop 40 grand on a new set of wheels, then... 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the nixon office. accrued through the campaign and even greater through the years of the administration and continued to the post presidency. it was what does buchanan think? what does buchanan say? pat, you have a thousand memos that you sent to nixon and his responses that make up this book. extraordinary. tell everybody again the story of how you met nixon and how you got involved early in his comeback. >> well, i first met nixon when i was on the caddie log at burning tree country club in 1954 and '55. they put out the vice president's golf bag. the assistant pro looked over at the rookie caddie, and i went around 18 holes with richard nixon. then i'm a young editorial writer and he's coming over to bellville, illinois, to speak. i got invited, went up and met him in the kitchen and said if you're going to run in '68, i'd like to get aboard early. two weeks later i was in his office in new york and i was hired december, 1965. and there are only three people in the office. rosemary woods, pat buchanan and a lady named pat ryan who was answering the phones. patricia ryan nixon. we had a couple guys travel with us in '66. he went out to 35 states, 80 congressional districts and it was a phenomenal republican comeback, 47 house seats. suddenly he was in the hunt again. >> so how did this happen, pat? we have to put this in proper perspective. nixon lost in '60. he ran for governor in '62, he lost to pat brown. he said you won't have nixon to kick around anymore. howard k. case brought on a soviet spy and the program was called "the obituary of richard milhouse nixon." three years later you believe he's going to win. >> the most brilliant thing and the right thing he did, both right and wise, was in 1964 when that tremendous convention when they're cursing nelson rockefeller, you know, he's demanding extremism be denounced, nixon introduces goldwater and then he goes out and campaigns for goldwater harder than goldwater did himself. at the end of that goldwater says, you know, i know you didn't do it for yourself, you did it for me. if you ever have selfish motives, i'm with you. that meant that goldwater, who was the martyr of our conservative movement and the leader of the conservative movement politically, i saw if we could weld goldwater's movement to nixon's center of the republican party, there is no way nelson rockefeller or romney, who had both taken a hike on goldwater, could get the nomination. as soon as i got with richard nixon, i said the first thing we've got to do is we have to go capture the entire conservative movement, move them into our camp before this guy, reagan, in california wins the governorship. >> jon meacham in london. >> pat, i'm curious. after '68, nixon is in the house. he says watch what we do and not what we see say and a lot of people see the nixon administration as a bigger government philosophy and practice than people would have expected in '68. take us inside the white house in '69, '70, '71 with the development of a really aggressive domestic policy. >> well, nixon was not a goldwater conservative , he gre up in the depression, admired woodrow wilson. he had no problem with new ideas and fresh ideas. that statement by john mitchell, that was about segregation. he was telling the civil rights leaders and the others, watch what we do, not what we say. we were raising the devil with some of these court decisions on court-ordered bussing. but if you take what nixon did, he came in with 10% of the southern states desegregated. when he was out, it was 70% of them. now, it was a bloody mess all through that process, but nixon was pro civil rights, he was anti-forced racial balance and that's what he did. and it was a success. but look what else he did. he ended the draft as he promised to do. he put in the 18-year-old vote. he created the environmental protection agency. all of these things, domestic policies were dramatic and foreign policies, who can rival the opening to china. he ended the war in vietnam. all the troops came home as he promised, the p.o.w.s came home. he saved israel in the yawar. enormous achievements. if he had quit after his first term, he would have been regarded as one of the near great presidents. >> in 1972 he had the biggest landslide. in december of '72 nixon is leaning back, taking a moment to celebrate and said somebody write a book about 1972, one of the west years in political history. we did so much. and as pat suggested, in many ways he was domestically a continuation of a new deal liberal. built a great society. family assistance, clean air and water. he created the dea. he was believing in big government still. >> that was one of the things we worked in '72. here was a guy completely dead isn't '65. by 1972 he's created this new political majority, which succeeds the roosevelt coalition and dominates presidential politics all the way up until 1992. a 49-state victory for a guy who ten years earlier said good-bye and good luck, i'm done with politics. >> what about internally, though, pat, within the white house during that period of time. especially the first term. you were just talking about the first term. nixon is not alone in this, but if you listen to some of the tapes and read the transcripts of the tapes, he and kissinger had an opportunity, several opportunities to end the war in vietnam long -- well before it was ended. >> right. well, my feeling on that is -- well, nixon told me after i left office i should have done in 1969 what i did in '72. in other words, bombing hanoi. i think the north vietnamese jerked him around again and again. he desperately wanted to end that war but he wanted to end it in a way in which the whole thing did not come crashing down. that's one of the real -- what happened in vietnam, what happened in cambodia, you have the holocaust there. but he wanted to make sure that all these sacrifices, death and suffering of these 58,000 americans was not poured down a sewer, was not done in vain, and my '73 he seems to have succeeded. but then he's broken. congress cuts off all aid to the south vietnamese. north vietnamese wait for nixon to get out of office for eight months and then they go. >> jon meacham back in london. >> pat, talk about, if you would, the republican party's evolution because you have in the primary campaign in '76 of reagan, the '80 campaign. you have a kind of reaction, right, to the nixon, both with the soviets and the larger government role we were just talking about. talk about the party's evolution. >> all right. in 1972 -- people forget, you mentioned bill buckley i know on the show often. 1972 bill buckley broke with nixon and supported the manhattan 12. they put john ashbrook in the primary against us, a mistake, bill. but that showed you the dissent, its dissent in the conservative movement over what you're talking about, nixon's building of the great society. and then ford continued detente. my 1976 -- i remember a story henry kissinger and i were at the '76 convention and henry was nervous. he was going to the convention and he said i'm heading off to the convention hall, pat. i said i'll be right behind you, henry, i'm leading the demonstration against you. and so -- but that was -- detente was the thing that drove foreign policy. anti-communism always drove the conservative movement. that's what drove goldwater. by 1980, that movement that had taken over the nomination was now capable not only of getting the nomination but of winning a presidential election. but even reagan wasn't as conservative as is believed by everyone now. >> right. >> he told me once in the white house, reagan, he called me up and said, pat, pat, some of my friends want me to go over the cliff with flags flying. and then he walked away. and i said, yeah, and i'm one of them, you know. no, but he knew we were pushing him and pushing him and that's the nature of the movement. and i think by 1992, jon, there's no doubt about it that clinton understood that we've got to get the south and we cannot keep writing these folks off with these liberal candidates. we've got to get some of them and of course george h.w. bush had moved away again and somebody was challenging him in the primaries. >> boom. there you go, baby. pat buchanan, thank you so much. the book is "the greatest comeback, richard nixon rose from defeat to create the new majority." i can't wait to tear through this book and want to interview you some more. maybe we'll do a package on this. plus i'm reading another great book on rakivic. there was an amazing scene about how reagan was going from the summit to the base and you were completely in the dark and said that you were scribbling down all the notes -- >> i was rewriting his speech because the whole thing had blown up there. i have never seen reagan, ronald reagan as angry as i saw him there when he came out of that room. you know, i remember a guy -- we were standing up looking down, he and 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"morning joe" starts right now. ♪ >> good morning! look at that, willie. that is a beautiful view. >> beautiful day. >> it's a beautiful day. >> last couple , not so beautiful. >> it's thursday, august the 14th. great to have you here with us. along with you, we have got washington anchor for bbc world news america, katty kay and nick consori and then with bloomberg news, al hunt. yesterday, willie, really bad storms out there. >> did you see some of the pictures? even out here on long island. cars on the highways up to their roofs. >> looked like a river. >> it was. yeah, parts of the mid-atlantic and northeast cleaning up and drying out after heavy rains sparked flooding across several states. the hardest appeared to be long island. islip 13.27 inches in under 24 hours and more than a foot in less than a day. more than the region receives in an entire summer. the rainfall shattered previous records and a lot of cars abandoned and a lot of people had to get out and run. bill karins, this was serious business yesterday. >> epic rains, willie. we tell you record highs and lows. this was all-time records for new york state. we have weather records back in new york to the 1800s and we have never seen in new york state's history this much rain in 24 hours in any single reporting station in the entire state. you're thinking about all of the hurricanes that have occurred. all of the huge storms. the nor'easter. this was the most rain ever officially. it did up to 13.57 inches for islip, new york. the old record was set recently with hurricane irene when it went through in tannersville, new york at 17.5 inches. it wasn't new york we saw the flooding. last night at midnight in portland, maine, they were telling people stay off the roads and they were doing water rescues as cars were submerged, especially in the under passes, with 6.5 inches of rain. this went back to detroit with record flooding with over 4 inches. a slow moving storm and a very unusual amount of moisture in the air. the precipitation rates were very high for this storm and very unusual because it wasn't a hurricane or a tropical storm and makes you scratch your head. it wasn't forecasted all that well. we knew it would rain and rain hard but no one was expecting this much rain in this short of a period of time. when it comes down that fast, that hard, you get the pictures like you see there. today, we are much better across the region with that shot at the top of the show. it's a beautiful day out there, it feels like fall almost the next couple of days. if you want to scratch your head for extreme weather events this was one of them over the last couple of days. >> wild couple of days. bill, get the rest of your frac in a couple of minutes. the fourth straight night, the streets of suburb looked like a battlefield. police in full riot gear and using tear gas to control crowds simmering over the death of 18-year-old michael brown by a police officer there in ferguson, missouri. two reporters in town to cover the store last night detained after police ordered them to leave a local mcdonald's. wesley lowrie and ryan reilly claim they were handcuffed after police said they were not packing up their things to leave quickly enough. lowery caught part of his episode with the cell phone. >> stop videotaping. >> please don't do this. >> let's go. >> you see me working? please do not tell me not to use my cell phone. >> let's go. down to about 45 seconds. let's go. >> reporter: the street -- >> let's go. not time to ask questions. move your car if your car is out here. >> reporter: what i was asking. you didn't have time to ask me. >> let's go. >> reporter: i'm working, sir. >> let's go. >> here is a door over here. let's go. let's go. you can move. let's go. move. >> reporter: sir, please -- >> let's move. let's move. >> last night, lowery who shot that avoid spoke about what allegedly happened when the camera stopped rolling. >> tried to direct me toward another door. i said, officers where would you like moo to go? the bag slipped off of my shoulder. officers, i need to adjust my bag and they said let's take him. slammed me into a soda machine and grabbed my bags. >> reilly said, in part, a s.w.a.t. team just invaded mcdonald's. >> i was given a countdown. i was told i had, you know, 45 seconds, 30 seconds, to pack up all of my stuff and leave. at which point, the officer in question who i have -- who i repeatedly asked for his name and was never -- or his badge number and never given it, decided that he was going to help me pack and he grabbed my things and shoved them into my bag and i was then -- when i -- basically, he then arrested me and he handcuff me and put them on tight. he used a finger to put a pressure point on my neck and it was just very difficult experience. >> willie, i don't know. what do you think? well, okay let me help you out here because i'm always the one that gets in trouble. i'll get in trouble here. i'll just say if i saw that video and my son was the one the police arrested after that episode, i said, joey, here is a clue. when the cops tell you the 30th time says let's go, you know what that means, son? it means let's go. i'm sorry. you know what? we have got a lot of questions out there. we got people angry in the streets because they won't release this cop' name. we don't each know what happened. we have two sides telling something completely conflicting so there is a lot of unanswered questions here. but i do know this. when a police officer asks you to pick up -- i can only -- i can only -- i've been in places where police officers said, all right you know what? this is cordoned off, you guys need to move along. you know what i do? i go, yes, sir, or yes, ma'am. i don't sit there and have a debate and film the police officer unless i want to get on tv and have people talk about me the next day. i am sure i am just the worse person in the world for saying this. i can only judge how i would treat my son who is a reporter who, if he were in this position, okay, well, you know what? next time a police officer tells you that you've got to move along because you've got riots outside, well, you probably should move along. maybe i'm in the minority. i don't know. >> i don't see any evidence there were riots outside that mcdonald's. >> i wasn't at that mcdonald's. >> i wasn't there either. >> i don't know why the police officers were there. i know it's bad out there. >> if you're a reporter setting up shop in a fast food restaurant you're going to have a laptop, a wi-fi card, your phone, your charger. going to take you more than 45 seconds to get it together. he was trying to imply. the question is what was the rush to push them out of there? when he slips basically and drops his briefcase, he gets arrested and pinned. it doesn't make any sense. >> we don't know how long that is. i don't know why the police were moving them along. >> listen, i'm just concerned by what seems to be this common misperception that it's illegal to avoid a law enforcement officer or take pictures of them. it's not. >> i don't think it is, but if they are coming in and saying that we're cordoning off this area and they say you have a certain amount of time to do it and, instead, you're putting up a video phone and you're asking some kid with a gun who is 25, 26, 27, didn't make the orders. >> the only comment i'm reluctant to have journalists become the central of the story and seem to have become in this case and something more seriously is happening in ferguson than what happened to these two reporters, but i think for a police force that is trying to show the country that it is capable of exercising restraint, this was not a particularly smart public to do to slam the reporter against the soda fountain and handcuff them. >> first of all, katty, i think it's a bad idea to look ukrainian guards. >> paramilitary. >> i'm sitting there going, boy -- by the way, i'm just talking about this one episode. >> right. >> and, no, i find it really hard to believe that they couldn't have shown a little more he subtly through this entire process. >> they were quickly released when they got there and the chief got wind of this and said let these guys go. they were sitting in the cell and the cop came in and said who is the two journalists. >> let me ask you guys something. am i a sucker for the police saying telling you to move along or should i sit there and question him? by the way, what was he packing up? if he was packing up our entire control room, that's fine. he had a friggin' laptop. come on! oh, wait, i'm packing up, officer, let me ask you a question. i'm sorry. >> isn't there a broader question? if it happened to these two reporters, it is some indication what is happening to other people in ferguson who are not able to -- >> is it? >> there is accusations of heavy-handedness by police in ferguson amongst the local population. >> but aren't there accusations on both sides of this story? we hear the story cops bad. we had a police officer come out yesterday. they are calling basically signs holding and people calling for murder charges. and i understand, by the way, for everybody out there, going, joe just blindly know is on one side or the other. you know what? i caught hell what i said about trayvon for months. in this situation, we don't know what happened. we just have absolutely no idea and you've got people, you know, the cops are trying to protect the identity of this cop and his family until they know exactly what happened. we have, willie, two completely conflicting stories here. one, that the officer was assaulted. they went for the gun. they shoved him back in the car. and the other that this poor young man was just walking down the street and he was gunned down execution style. >> yeah. >> what do you do with that? >> you have a couple of witnesses including his friend who gave the latter version of the story saying he was executed and the police say something. that is the core of this. what happened? we don't know. he was unarmed, we know that. until that, it's not worth of us sitting in new york or washington to debating. we can talk about what we see in the streets in ferguson and what is happening and i haven't been on the ground there looks like a heavy-handed approach by the police there. when you have -- what have been for the most part peaceful protests. >> it seems a lot over the top. and i don't understand that side of the story and one side of the story so everybody can take deep breaths at home if you're ready to eat cheetos. >> you know what? when we talk to bill bratton the other day, you know, what would fix all of this? have police officers wear cameras. >> absolutely. >> so we know what is going on. that would do two things. that would stop this from going on. that would stop people from falsely accusing cops and put a chilling effects on cops that use their power to push people around. i'm not talking about what goes on in this case. i'm talking about what we have all seen with cops across america at times they get a little too much power and they get a little too cocky. it would have a chilling effect on that type of behavior. i guarantee you if cops on staten island were wearing cameras, every one of them, they wouldn't have put that man in a choke-hold and killed him for peddling cigarettes. >> i agree. i can't think of a single argument left any more to not do this. it seems like good policy and it's good for the officers. and it's good for the people they serve. >> you know who it's bad for? bad cops. that is who it's bad for. if i'm a good cop, i want that. because i want everybody to know what happens. i want to protect myself. i want to protect, in this case, if -- and we don't know -- if this cop is innocent, then if he had a camera on, he would be safe, he wouldn't be worried about his family. if he had children, he wouldn't be worried about his children. >> if you're in a tough call, do you want the only camera on the scene to be a bystander? >> exactly, with a cell phone. >> he could be coming in a minute whatever prompted the altercation. >> what you always hear from police unions and police chiefs and police officers, that shows a little part of it. okay, fine. give us the whole thing. put it on squad cars which we have on a lot of squad cars and put these cameras on cops. it doesn't cost that much. of the only group of people that it hurts are bad cops that abuse their power. >> there is another issue, with the ferguson police force and i don't know how this is replicated around the country. the fact it is ungrossly represented of the population it is serving. what is it? only three of ferguson police officers are black in a population that is 70% black in that neighborhood? i think that has got to be addressed too. how much effort are they making to diverse their police force and why aren't they hiring a more diverse police force? >> you're asking for trouble. you really are. its insanity. >> absurd. >> look at the pictures of the people in s.w.a.t. uniforms it's white guys in s.w.a.t. uniforms. >> if you're going to police any streets in any neighborhood, you need the community to be a willing partner. that's what bill bratton talked about in l.a. and what is talking about here. you can't do that if the police force is that grossly unrepresentative. willie good night. should we turn to some politics? >> i would love to. >> it was the hug everybody was waiting for last night. >> can i just say? i wasn't waiting for it. >> i know. a bit tongue in cheek. >> i'm not much on fake physical contact. >> we don't have any evidence of it. >> no, we don't. >> i think we should have every politician wear a camera! so we know what they are doing and if they hug, we know. >> that's an idea. so president obama and hillary clinton came face-to-face last night for the first time since a public flap over foreign policy messaging and the debate to arm syrian rebels. they sat at the same table on martha's vineyard at a birthday party. hillary clinton said she was looking forward to making amends early in the day yesterday. >> hug it out with the president? >> absolutely! yeah! we are looking forward to it. going to be there tonight. >> is it a hard choice? >> no. in the book, we agreed, we are committed to the values and the interests and the security of our country together. we have disagreements as any partners and friends, as we are, might very well have. but i'm proud that i serve with him and for him and i'm looking forward to seeing him tonight. >> there you go. just two pals getting together. >> why is it that whenever we see bill clinton come on, we do and you can't see it, we need to wear a camera so you can see what happens. every time we see bill clinton, we just start laughing because he is just a natural. i love kentucky, you know? and everybody loves him. we were like cringing for her. >> yeah. >> after all these years, maybe she has bob dole-itis? maybe she is great in person but it's so canned. it's so calculated. al hunt, you know, hillary, i have made no secret of it. i'm not ashamed. i called hillary my girlfriend in 2008. i love her. she is great. most people that talk to her and meet her away from when the cameras aren't turned on, think she is just a wonderful, wonderful person. i mean, some people who have worked for her might not think of her like that but in this case, she still seems so awkward, so stiff and so canned. let's be honest about it, so i insincere. the book could be titled dimple. >> i love your idea of cameras on politicians. i want to have the exclusive right to bill clinton cameras. >> oh! oh, my god. >> a lot of that has to be redacted! we need a seven-minute delay. >> how many minutes would end up on the floor? >> joe, you know, this pains me to say, but hillary clinton is having the same kind of season as bryce harper. she is underperforming and it's careless talk. i think it was careless talk in the interview. then the walk-back was almost worse. i just think she's just, whether it's sea legs, whether she is rusty, it's really been a bad several months for her. do i think she is still the favorite for the nomination? of course, she is but i think what is occurring she is pro wall street and pro intervention and says to a number of democrats this is an easy ride to get in a primary and win 35% of the vote. >> al, do you think as you've watched the last couple of months this process of going back to be the ringer as she was in the past couple of years and giving book tours and responding to questions has given her any paws about re-entering the arena in a couple of years? >> willie, i don't know. i think it's a really good question. i doubt it because i think it's almost inevitable she is going, assuming her health is good. but i hope, for cher sake, the lesson she has learned is that she has tond that maybe there is an inner circle doesn't serve her well and think carefully about some of these things. she's a very smart woman. whether it's we were broke when we left the house or this latest, it's been a bad couple of months. >> al, whatever the calculations about president obama's approval ratings at the moment, do you think that for her there is any long-term benefit in what has happened over the last few days, showing that she is going to stand up to the president on foreign policy and distance herself? >> i think she has to strike some distance with the president over the course of the next year on both foreign and domestic issues. the same challenge that george w. bush faced in 1987. i think, a, she is not doing it well. if her message is, guess what, i'm pro wall street and i am pro interventionist at a time when i think the country is more populous and wants to pull back, i think it's certainly important in the democratic primaries. >> we are sorry about bryce, by the way. >> so am i. >> it's kind of astonishing, isn't it? the democratic party, the grassroots does not want a hawkish, you know, she lost last time because of this, right? >> right. >> and now she is going out again saying i'm more hawkish than the president. i'm not each sure republican voters want that. >> while you're talking about this, i see the tubes going around in the background. >> oh, no. >> i'm going to get dunked. >> are you doing it? >> yeah. >> bobby jindal, the son of a guy challenged me. i'm going to get wet and we are going to have a special guest here also. >> really? >> you guys keep one of those in the building? >> i think mika may get dunked in too. coming off of vacation. her daughter is going to be leaving, amelia, wants to get one last shot in for her mom. >> this is for the als association. the thing that is going around. it's incredible. i did it a couple of days ago. i sent one to andy cohen. he did it live on his show last night and a couple of other ones. we will show that later. >> a couple of other ones, i think we should expand on. >> brooke shields, wanda sykes. >> 37 monkeys running around and a camera on me, i don't know. i figured it out. did you know any of those guys that got arrested last night in mcdonald's? >> yes. >> they are probably wonderful guys. >> they are professionals. >> they are professionals, exactly. have you seen any silicon valley? they sounded like characters out of sal convalley. i'm sorry, they just did. >> i got my laptop. what are you doing, sir? i don't understand. >> hold on! 3.2 gigabytes in this laptop, sir. what are you doing? i don't know. have you ever seen silicon valley? >> never seen it. >> you will love it. you got to do it. >> i trust my judge. still ahead on "morning j " joe," the creative genius behind "madmen." matthew wieiner will be here wih more on that. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. 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"the new york times." e-cigarette is said to be the cause of a smoking bag. boston fire marshal says recharger batteries into in the cigarettes can cause a fire. the department is considering adding e-cigarettes to the hazards material list. a texas teen was discovered living in a walmart two days after he ran away from home. employees said he lived off food in the story and wore diapers. >> come on. can home be that bad? incident to grow up to be an astronaut? >> he changed his clothes every few hours so he wouldn't be recognized. the teen was caught after employees noticed garbage which led to the area he was sleeping. so far, no charges have been filed. >> the diapers is proof enough. >> only two days. >> is that a testament to walmart? you could live in walmart, literally live in walmart. they have everything. >> i'm stunned katty saying he was only living in diapers two days. that is like a long weekend at oxford. a bear mauling drove a girl to the hospital. thompson was hiking on thursday when she spotted a seven-foot bear that knocked her to the ground and bit her seven times. when the bear retreated she walked nearly two miles back to her car and drove to the hospital. she is expected to make a full recovery. >> that's a tough woman. >> wow. you know what we do? alex just said, we need cameras on bears. that s.o.b. thinks he is going to get away for this. he needs to be put down. >> need accountable in the bear community. terrifying video shows the moment water races through doors at a salve fear cafeteria in a hospital. the damage, full of three feet of water. >> where is this coming from? >> doors, tables, chairs, no patients or employees hurt during the incident. what happened? >> it looks like a scene out of "the poseidon adventure." nick, that was about 20 years before you were born. >> upside down. >> under down. >> the morning after. maureen mcgovern. ♪ it has to be the morning after ♪ >> wow. that's terrible. >> the end of the last segment we had an inflatable pool going up and after this segment, we have mike barn a balance sitting over there. he is coming up next with sports. scary collision in the outfield. the number one baseball prospect in america is carted off the field after running into his teammate. also, show you a play at the plate that caused this manager to absolutely lose his mind. i love that! >> i love when they do that. >> so old school, billy martin. mike barnicle joins us next for sports. shopping online is as easy as it gets. wouldn't it be great if hiring plumbers, carpenters and even piano tuners were just as simple? 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they stunk about 30 years. >> they are a pretty good team but the rest of the american league east is really pathetic. >> really? >> really. >> how about old steinbrenner sounding like his old man? telling the yanks to step it up. >> might be a little too late. check out san francisco and white sox leading the giants 1-0 p.m. bottom of the seventh. crew chief reviewing a game time play at the plate. he is out by a wide margin. after the review, the umpires reversed the call because the new rule does not allow a catcher to block home plate so he was safe even though he was out. white sox manager robin ventura comes out of the dugout and gets his money's worth. a little lou piniella, a little billy martin. >> they have alter that rule. >> that is terrible. >> wait. you're telling me the new rule and a catcher can't block the plate? >> the rule was put -- >> that's why you knock them over! >> the rule was put in to prevent any more catchers going down with concussions. it's a sensible rule but it should be the umpire's judgment. clearly there was no threat to the catcher. >> that was a little swipe tag. wasn't like he was standing in front of the guy guy. >> why don't they put dresses on catchers. come on. >> they do have catcher cam. >> giants ran away with that game and won 7-1. >> we should tell you about a brand-new documentary title. the stars are aligned and takes a look at notable graduates from the s.e.c. schools and their favorite memories. although i said notable graduates, willie geist was interviewed about his alma mater vanderbilt history. >> the finest moment for vanderbilt football history was a game against tuscaloosa. our punter calls a fake punt. if it blows up, the game is over. we were so shell-shocked. we had a tyne pocket up in the corner of the stadium at tuscaloosa that we ran down the steps and ran back up and, for some reason, we had vanderbilt swagger and we were like, what is up now, alabama? yeah! >> vanderbilt swagger? >> now in those days to score a touched in tuscaloosa was big. >> you say that was the longest run in vanderbilt history? >> it was done by our punter on a fake punt. that is on the s.e.c. network which debuts today on espn. >> 9:00 tonight. >> that's right. >> stars a are aligned. still ahead the democrats make a big bet to the tune of 9 million bucks but will it be money well spent? a campaign under way to elect the dude. thousands of montana voters petition to get jeff bridges to run for the united states senate. we will have his response straight ahead. 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"wall street journal" report on specifically, in particular, was the hell-fire missiles which are air-to-ground rockets, laser guided or radar guided. very sophisticated weapons that penetrate armor. israeli apparently used enough of those fired mostly from apache helicopters to need resupplied. whether or not they did it according to -- in the way they are supposed to from an israeli point of view seems unlikely. how do you bypass the white house and state department? >> on the ground, the weapons depot in israeli who has charge over this? the israelis or american presence on the ground? you have to have a permission slip to get the weapons? >> you can't walk through the door and get what you want. you need to get permission from the united states and the former israeli ambassador to the united states who was saying this morning there were strict protocols and strict procedures to get your hands on those. having said that "wall street journal" seems to be very athorough tative and a hostility between the president obama and netanyahu. whatever the details are whether or not israeli got a hold of the weapons in the proper way the more worrying thing in the long term i believe is israeli's relationship with the white house at a time when israeli needs american help facing the worldwide hostile its to its activities in gaza to the horrific death toll. >> martin, thank you so much. we really appreciate it. we will be following this throughout the day and the hour to see if the cease-fire holds up. let's hope it does. still ahead on "morning joe," hillary clinton and president obama bury the hatchet on martha's vineyard but is a hug enough to mend fences between the democrats biggest stars? 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>> are we allies here or what? it's just amazing. >> now we spy on each other an awful lot. i don't know. let's go to north carolina. senator kay hagan looking to run as the party looks to hang on to the committee that is launching 9.1 million dollar campaign in the race against republican. watch this. >> it's right there in black and white. house speaker tom tillis drew a bull's-eye on public schools cutting nearly $500 million. he sliced and diced education and creating chaos in our classrooms and hurting middle class families while giving tax breaks to yacht and jet owners. tom tillis. cutting our schools, giving breaks to the wealthy. the democrat irsenatorial campaign committee are responsible for the content of this advertising. >> he knows jet owners? >> the war on jet owners. a recent poll shows tillis with a one-point lead so they are tied over senator hagan. well within the margin of error. what is going on in this race, nick? >> money, money, money, money, money. >> a lot of outside money. >> $43 million in outside money in this race. >> more than what willie makes in a week. >> this $9 million is about a third of the democratic party's cash on hand for senate races. that's a huge bet. >> really? >> what is amazing is all of that money, the poll numbers really are not moving very much. it's basically where it was, like, six months ago. can you imagine if somebody spent $43 million in the tax ads? yet this race is locked in place and it's absolutely critical. >> over the past several cycles, we have learned -- talk about law of diminishing returns. >> the one thing the big donors said hold on we look back at history as joe suggests and not getting our return for that investment. if i was a small businessman putting my money on american politicians at the moment wouldn't be seen as a very good return. >> they are paying very close attention to these senate races and all of the people who run these big outside groups, karl rove, folks associated with the koch's, they have a huge amount on the line. they sell their donors we temper expectations this time and we can get definitely three or four senate seats but we can't promise seven senate seats because, last time, in 2012 they said we will get the majority and easy to win. everybody understands the stakes and everybody is much more sense is a tiesed how their money is being spent this cycle and how effective it's going to be. >> al hunt, $43 million in a north carolina senate race, that's insanity. >> joe, i remember 30 years ago, north carolina, early january, jesse helm and jim hunt tied. they spent a record sum and jesse helms won by one point. they didn't basically persuade any voters so i think what determines that race is they have come in and i think the koch brothers have spent $20 million down there and roughed up kay hagan some. i think what is going to determine that race will be whether the african-americans and others in north carolina are angry enough that turn out to vote and hire numbers and they usually do in off-year elections. a real roll of the dice of the democrats and it's going to be tough. >> you look at the states, al. north carolina, arkansas, alaska, kentucky, you can go on and on and on. there are so many close races this year. this is going to be a big democratic year even though nobody is predicting that. it could be a big republican year or it could be a draw right down the middle. there are some tight races out there and all of the polls seem to be very close. >> joe, i don't think it's going to be what they call a wave election because as unpopular as obama is and republican party just as unpopular but it doesn't mean the close races may not break one way or most of them. clearly if they break the republicans way they are going to win at least seven of those seats that they need to win. but it's the red states that you mentioned but it's also colorado and it's iowa. there's a good eight or ten races out there that have very close. >> al hunt, thank you very much. we will see you soon. >> thanks, al. >> thank you, guys. at the top of the hour, the military calls off the mission of refugees in iraq. joe is going to take the als ice bucket challenge as we freeze the water. >> you're enjoying that way too much. >> there is baby pool here which is something else entirely. we will be right back. unlimited cash back. let that phrase sit with you for a second. unlimited. as in, no limits on your hard-earned cash back. as in no more dealing with those rotating categories. the quicksilver card from capital one. unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase, every day. don't settle for anything less. i'll keep asking. what's in your wallet? 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tonight. >> welcome back to "morning joe." so good to have you guys with us. on set, the bbc's katty kay and "the new york times" nick consofori and at the table with us is columnist for "time "magazine, joe klein and chief foreign affairs and host of andrea mitchell reports of msnbc, andrea mitchell. andrea, got a couple of questions for you. and the spokesman coming up for benjamin netanyahu and ask him about the article in "wall street journal." >> i bet you will. >> joe klein, we saw hillary there hugging it out. we were talking a little earlier and get the details talking about earlier how anybody who knows hillary clinton, i like her a lot personally, but she puts on the political suit and she just seems so stiff, awkward and forced at times like yesterday. >> yes, like yesterday. >> it was just painful. >> it's been a painful situation. i think that she wittingly separated herself from the president, although i'm not so sure that i agree with the positions she took in that interview, and it raises the question about how she is going to separate herself from another prominent democrat, her husband. >> right. >> that is going to be a much big problem for her. >> i don't know if she is on foreign policy issue. >> not on foreign policy, on wall street. on financial policy. that is going to be a far more central issue in a democratic primary. >> right. >> she is going to have to make a decision about whether she supports things like her husband refusing to regulate stock options. >> she has already been down on to goldman sachs. >> you're allowed to go to goldman sachs and take a position that they don't like. >> she went to goldman sachs and granted them absolution in her speech there. >> she said to wall street, we are not making you our enemy and that is the message they want to hear. they will accept some policy differences but they really don't want to be is on the wrong end of a stick and to be demonized. she has given them that and it's fascinating to watch as joe points out. >> let's go to martha's vineyard and get the details there actually what happened up there, katty. >> well, when the officials say that the obama's, we don't have the actual photo, the obama's and clintons sitting at the same table last night, earlier in the day former secretary of state clinton was looking forward to making the amends. it's not clear if that actual hug was involved. officials do say the obamas and clintons had a great time and danced to almost every song. we don't know if they danced together almost every song. despite the much publicized dispute the white house defended the decision to keep reporters away. >> i believe the president and secretary clinton have had hugs over the past few years and i'm sure some have been caught on camera. i think this is a private gathering for someone's birthday so it's hard to bring you lovely people in. >> one of the articles is titled "is this island big enough for clinton and obama?" one writes her aides are making plain she has no intention of running for obama's third term. another section, david axleford, obama's former senior adviser and analyst for nbc news is quoted as saying, i don't understand why they are doing this. if i were her, i would be be so sparing with this she makes herself a candidate and a target why she would want to be out there so early is beyond me. >> david is free to tweet his will, joe klein, the other day, a jab at hillary. >> everybody is ganging up on barack obama right now. hillary is knocking him down. >> nothing to do with his approval ratings of course. >> according to this story another drag down knock out fight with him last week. >> let's go to that story, andrea mitchell. pretty remarkable. netanyahu and israelis went around the white house's back straight to the pentagon to get more weapons, at the same time, white house was asking netanyahu to draw down, and if you read into the article too, they were also misrepresenting america's position in negotiations p.m. this dispute obviously, getting uglier between the white house and the israeli. >> israeli and the white house are going to deny these kind of details but the fact is even from the very sanitized readouts that we have been given of recent conversations between the president and the prime minister, it is clear and certainly from what john kerry said in that caught on mike moment that he wasn't aware of when he was taping the sunday shows a couple of weeks ago, they are very concerned that the state department at the very top, kerry and the president, very concerned that israeli was not using what the white house feels is precision weapons in these densely populated areas. there is no question about that. these are american weapons and there are rules of engagement where we provide these weapons and furl all the way back into the 1980s with sharon in lebanon when cluster bombs were being used and talk in the reagan white house because american weapons are not supposed to be used offensively in inappropriate ways. there are rules of engagement in the munitions that we sell. so there is is a lack of -- a lack of confidence here, a lack of trust, and one of the things that was really overlooked in hillary clinton's interview with jeff goldberg is that she disagreed with president obama on iran, on the iran negotiations, and on israeli. if you read what she said about israeli, she is uncategorically supported of israeli in ways this president is not. >> let's go to israeli right now and from jerusalem, we have chief spokesman for the prime minister of israeli, mark. a great day for you to be with us. we are reading stories in the u.s. which i'm sure you guys are reading as well in israeli talking about how at the same time the white house and the state department are asking israelis to draw down a bit in the offensive in gaza, that israeli was going around the white house's back and actually securing more weapons from the pentagon without their permission. what is israeli's response to those claims? >> the response is in the story. you know, there's no man closer to my prime minister, closer to benjamin netanyahu than our ambassador in washington ron durham. we have a close military-to-military relationship as you know. it's only natural that that sort of military request would go through our defense ministry of the pentagon. there is no one says that we violated procedure and no one can seriously claim that what we didn't dough was routine. it's simply how do you say it? it's a pile of sand not based on anything. >> so, mark, are you saying then this is more of a communication problem between the state department and the white house and the pentagon, instead of between the white house and israeli? >> my prime minister has been in office now, what is it? this his second and third term more than five years and parallels president obama's first and second term. i don't think there has been an israeli prime minister and an american president in recent history who have spent so much time working together. my prime minister respects president obama. i know that he's called the american support during this recent conflict in gaza and called that support terrific. the iron dome which was recently pushed through again, that is extra support for our missile defense system. we greatly appreciate and so i think a lot of these reports, they are wrong both in tone and in content. >> "time" magazine joe klein is bus and has a question. >> hey, mark, how are you? >> go ahead. we got 12-second delay. >> don't ask how the weather is. go! >> military-to-military, i understand. what about politician-to-politician? what can you tell us about this angry phone call between the prime minister and the president? and there is, as you know, a lot of precedent for this in this relationship. >> i think the word they used in the "wall street journal" was combative. i don't think that's a correct description of the conversation. obviously, i'm not going to go into details of a conversation between the two leaders. those conversations have to remain discrete and that is the way it should be. i can only tell you that since this conflict in gaza started president obama has been hearth for israeli and condemned hamas behavior unequivocally. >> mark, there are lots of times you can point to instances where this relationship has clearly and publicly not been very good when prime minister netanyahu turned up in the oval office and lectured the president and when the vice president turned up' your prime minister announced new settlements on the west bank. this is not an easy relationship and the relationship between israeli and the united states is suffering because of it. >> i disagree when you use the term lecture. i was there in the room. i don't think that was the situation and i think the situation when vice president biden visited was also a bit different. that's my interpretation. that's my impression and i was there on both occasions. i can say the following. i heard hillary clinton at the top of the hour saying as secretary of state she not always agreed with the president. that's natural. people have different opinions. people have different policies. people don't see eye-to-eye on every issue. fountain president and the secretary of state don't see eye-to-eye on every issue, is it is not illogical to president and prime minister of my country would agree on every issue? from the bbc, all of us know about the great alliance between churchill and they were allies and partners and anybody on who reads the history know the disagreements they had and also a policy issue. if i can put a bit of perspective on this, israeli and america are so close so whenever we have a disagreement it's front page news this time in the "the wall street journal," but we agree on much more than we disagree and we work together very closely. >> we should have actually listened to the british a hell of a lot more in 1945. andrea mitchell? >> mark, what about the fact, though, that the weapons, american weapons are used in a way that this president does not appreciate, that this president really is offended by. it's very clear from all of the statements from the white house. how can israeli defend itself against rockets coming from gaza if the united states is so upset about the tactics that israeli is using? >> you know, over the last few days, andrea, american pilots have been flying combat missions in iraq against isis and they are trying to be as surgical as they can to stop isis from committing mass atrocities. both you and me know that sometimes bombs go astray and unintentionally and civilians get killed. we made a maximum effort we would -- we never targeted civilians, not once. >> but, mark, if you look at the situation in iraq many people think we are not doing enough because we are hitting artillery pens convoys out in the clear and letting isis gain ground like in mosul. what about the u.n. claims that there were 17 warnings or 30 warnings in one case about the particular school? can you address those? >> i can. israeli did not target u.n. facilities. i can say that unequivocally. i know they were shooting at us from a u.n. facility or shooting at us from the immediate facility of a u.n. facility and using that for shields of their terror machines. i know there was combat in the vicinity of u.n. facilities because hamas and the other terrorists turned those fa sillities arls naturals of missiles kept in the u.n. we didn't want to see that in the first place. >> mark, thank you for being with us. we greatly appreciate it. >> he is doing his job. >> he is doing his job. >> i'm sure he is a good guy, but let's just say what has happened. this is a relationship that was fraught with problems and it has just got worse because obama has found that netanyahu is going around him to get weapons. >> i mean, you know, this has been a lousy relationship from day one. i think it's felt on both sides. obama spent his first term not going to israeli. he did. >> you see that poll 3% of, like, israeli people believe that he had their best interests or something. got off to a rocky start. >> that people in the clinton -- state department perhaps including the secretary herself were really pushing him to go to israeli. >> right. >> and to, you know, show a little love. he had been to cairo, made that important speech there. and there is resentment on both sides, i would say. >> i like how you defined it in the negative. he spent his first time not going to israeli. like i spent my four years in college not studying. let's bring in jim miklaszewski. jim, thank you so much for being with us. so help us out here. we just spoke with, obviously, mr. regev, netanyahu's chief spokesperson, who denies "wall street journal" report, which is pretty stunning. tell us, what are you hearing inside the pentagon? >> reporter: where this entire issue arose, people here at the pentagon were discussing it openly because, at the time, it was considered a pro forma exchange. these missions are forward located in a stockpile in israeli that are under the control of the u.s. government so that in an emergency, if the israeli government needs munitions in a hurry, it's there. >> but, jim, doesn't the commander in chief need to define what an emergency is and what an emergency is not doing? i mean, i'm surprised that somebody at the pentagon, in a situation this political, you and i both know that the more stars are on a general's shoulders, the more political they are, the more politically astute most of them are. i'm stunned they wouldn't pick up the phone saying, hey, we got this request from israeli. >> if that happened, personally, i don't know that it happened that way. but officials here, at the time, described it as a prearranged pro forma exchange between the u.s. and israeli in terms of providing them ammunition. can i tell you when we asked questions about it here at the time, there was nobody that was attempting to side-step the issue, doing the tap dance. they said, oh, yeah, we did it, blah, blah, and here it is. so i can't tell you if, in fact, there was anybody here at the pentagon that fs trying to undercut the state department or the white house. quite frankly, with the iron hand in which the white house rules this building, they don't sneeze here without waiting for the white house to say gezhuntite. for the minute i can't believe personally that people here at the pentagon were trying to purposely hide this transfer of munitio munitions. >> it calls into the phone call between the president and netanyahu. >> it calls into question why is the white house so ticked off about this at this point? if what jim says is true and i'm sure it is, why is the white house making a show of being really angry? the president has been doing this an awful lot lately. he is really seemed cynical, not just about the press. >> he was born cynical about the press. >> and about the republicans, but about his own policymakers and just about everything. you're beginning to suspect this is one angry man. >> the wj say they have been getting ammunition from the pentagon without their approval of the white house. there is either an issue of communication or it's something more underhand and conspiratorial about this. there is something here that is the white house is not happy about. >> jim, we will end it with you. what it sounds like, listen to what you're saying and what the israelis are telling us this morning, it sounds like you had a pro forma exchange, at least the two parties are saying it's pro forma exchange, that the white house didn't know about maybe because they didn't know the procedure? i don't know. it just doesn't add up. >> reporter: an example how they operate on the foreign military exchanges and sales. normally, when we ask a question about it the standard response in this building is talk to the state department. >> right. okay. >> they know the rules. they know the routes in which this is supposed to take. i find it difficult to believe. it could happen. a rogue general sitting in an office somewhere and work hand in hand with the israelis but it just doesn't add up. >> mick, thank you. joe klein, thank you. what music are you listening to? who should i go see in brooklyn? >> who should you go see? i don't know. right now, i'm just coming back and i don't know. i am going on a road trip in the fall and going through the south and listen to some great blues but also you owe me something. you told me you were going to take me to a major college football game. >> i'm going take you to an alabama football game. >> this fall? >> roll tide, this fall and do music at the same time. >> we will do music at the same time. >> andrea, thank you for being with us. a great day to have you on here. we really appreciate it. andrea mitchell's report is on at noon. nick, thank you. >> thank you. >> 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into a battlefield. tear gas sending hundreds of people fleeing for safety. dozens of heavily armed police s.w.a.t. teams, military style vehicles, enforcing an order banning large gatherings after dark. police say they responded with tear gas when bottles and molotov cocktails were thrown at them. it had all started peacefully. demonstrators marching through the neighborhood where michael brown was shot and killed by a police officer. some weapons pointed at the crowd. >> you're subject to arrest if you do not leave the area peacefully j a man on crutches was removed by officers and this woman apparently got too close. >> we want peace and unity. we want to partner with the police to find out what happened and to bring justice for mike brown. >> reporter: police have insisted their tactics of recent days were necessary because of what they faced. >> the officers from area departments have been subject to assaults with rocks, bottles, an even gunfire directed at them. >> reporter: now some reporters also claim the police were heavy-handed forcing them to leave a mcdonald's where they were writing stories near the protests. >> slammed into a soda machine. grabbed my bag and my phone. and put me in temporary restraints. >> what do we want? justice! >> reporter: with the investigation into brown's killing expected to take weeks and residents demanding murder charges against the officer who allegedly shot him, many here fear still more confrontation. police say they made ten arrests last night and in this area, there's so much violence that the fear of it, that the schools are closed to children today, about a thousand affected. meanwhile, the police are trying to set up a meeting with the brown family as they try to do everything possible to try to calm the situation down. joe? >> ron, thank you so much. wow. it's extraordinary that that is happening in this country. we are going to keep following that throughout the day. turning now to news overseas. the u.s. mission to help iraq rescue thousands of refugees. debra lee james is with us. madam secretary, what a day to have you here. there's been so much bad news. we wake up every morning really early and scan through the news. it's all bad. this morning, it was like a ray of sunshine just because you never have good news. this morning, the good news came in the form of wire reports saying that actually what we're doing, what a lot of your people are doing over in iraq actually is easing the humanitarian crisis there. tels us about it. >> you're absolute right, joe. first of all, thank you for having me on the program today. you're right. overnight the news seems much, much better coming out of iraq and i think the key takeaway is that our humanitarian assistance and the limited air strikes that were ordered by the president are actually working. >> freed up the blockade, right, or the siege? >> so we and the u.s. air force, for example, have been able to deliver more than a hundred thousand meals ready to eat as well as 27,000 gallons of fresh water and the limited air strikes have allowed some of the people trapped in the mountain to get off of that mountain so this is all good news. >> madam secretary, most people read the newspapers and they see this and say that is great, look what we do, we are great and we are great, the united states of america is great. but the logistics behind a delivery like this, the daily drops of food and water has to be enormous. where are these flights emanating from? >> as you point out there's a lot of work in the back office so to speak of our military to produce the type of operations that we see going on around the world. the key thing about mobility and that is the c-17s and c-130s that delivered this needed food and water is that they can emanate from any part of the world. they can come from the united states, they can come from europe and elsewhere in the area of responsibility. the key thing we have assets to be able to refuel and to be able tote go our people out safely to provide that protection and to get that needed humanitarian shi assistance in there. >> madam secretary, i don't want to be the voice of gloom. >> you're british. why we have you on the set. >> isis is trying to control this region and given the chance they will probably try the thousands of people stuck on the mountain. this effort is not over for the united states or the europeans that are joining you. how do you carry on both with the humanitarian aid and the strikes against is circumstances to try to stop them from going back into the cities and villages where they are committing genocide against these people? >> the president has said this is not likely a short-term operation. >> first of all, later ask you why you're here before you go. 22,000. hi no idea. 22,000 air force personnel in new york? >> joe, i am here because of our people, our airmen. as you say, we have 22,000 airmen who either work in new york or who hail from new york. so just yesterday, i had had the opportunity to visit with our air national guard at our base and met with some terrific bronze star winners. they are combat rescue men to so these are people who rescue those on the battlefield. later on today i'll be going to rome labs for cybersecurity and the future of command and control and communications. we in the air force love new york. >> and from my friends at home in northwest florida, you also love? >> we love eglin weair force ba. >> thank you for joining us. >> thank you very much. coming up next, two years after sandy, long island got smashed by another record storm and this time, some flooding there was even worse. bill karins joins us for that. up next, things get weird with louis. this is bad. they made me say it. i don't know. we will be right back on "morning joe." i dbefore i dosearch any projects on my home. i love my contractor, and i am so thankful to angie's list for bringing us together. find out why more than two million members 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trick. martin hasn't finished writing the books to his wildly popular series but he says fans have suggested the ending. martin said, quote. at least one or two of the readers put together the clues i had planted in the books and came to the right solution. you're going to pay to answer those phones and get that coffee. >> you're finished. go. >> the weinstein company run by harvey weinstein is offering wide-eyed hollywood hopefuls an opportunity to get their foot in the gor a medoor with a mere fi figures. the dude for senate? that is exactly what thousands of people from montana are calling for in on online petition urging jeff bridges to make a run after embattled john walsh backed out of the race. they call bridges the only candidate you can post pictures of him naked and smoking pot and it wouldn't affect him. bridges told howard stern his week that his wife nicks the idea. >> i'm unemployed. >> joe, the dude does not abide. back to you. >> the dude does not abide. >> i would like to see the dude run. >> he can just keep saying, that's just your opinion, man. >> that would be pretty good. >> yeah. >> so you were the reporters in mcdonald's? >> yeah. >> you think the cops did everything the wrong way? >> i think the clip that we showed earlier is evidence of how not to police, how not to police. >> i don't think the reporters necessarily moved fast enough and if i had been told by the cops waving a gun to move along i would have moved along before they got to the end of the sentence because that is me and i would want to do what they said. i think what they did after slam ago reporter under a soda fountain. >> was that on video? >> nobody. the guy talks about it. >> we need video cameras on cops. >> it also gets into, joe, another aspect we have talked about this earlier, and other programs, the increasing militarization of police departments in towns. >> hard to figure out how they could handled this worse from the very beginning. they look like they are in the 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oh, my gosh. >> back to you. >> back to you! >> matthew, we go back a long way, my friend. a long way. >> thank you very much for your -- maybe our earliest supporter of the show. i guess you had basically cable back then. >> i had basic cable and immediately called every to amc and i sat there and just watched it. talk about binge watching. let's talk about the movie first and then to "madmen." tell us about it. that looks hilarious. >> it's kind of the first thing i wrote after "madmen." i wrote the pilot for that and then wrote it right afterwards. it's sort of a -- it plays a little bit on the way that we feel like we're in a movie at some point. zach and owen play best friends. i think they think they are liverg living in a stoe stoner comedy they are in their 40s and it was a chance to play with the idea of like what holds a friendship together. >> tell me, because i've watched the internship like during my vacation 70 times on hbo. what is it about owen wilson? >> so funny. >> i love owen wilson. what is it about that man on screen that makes everybody love him? >> i wrote the movie for him. >> did you? >> one of the thing that was kind of fun about it this plays with his on-screen persona because he is similar character. . he is a little wasted and has problems with authority and he is unreliable but he also, it sort of becomes a story about, like, what happens if that guy has to, like, look at himself in the mirror? what is going on underneath that? the thing i love about owen is he has this warmth. he has kind of like bill murray glibness to him which i love. >> he does. >> but he is also really an actor and i think a little bit of sensitivity to him underneath it and he is super smart and i think goes against the entire character he is playing. >> can you script zach? >> zach is a real actor and he learned his lines. no, i want people to know that. you don't need to script him to some degree. he radiates a kind of warmth and he is just like a really nice guy. we shot in north carolina, which is where he is from. he was -- he's just a lot of fun. it's exactly what you would want it to be. >> in the description you gave of owen and the fact you had him in mind for this part and you wrote it for him and then the description that you give maybe not a director's dream in terms of putting a guy that could be a little dry? >> that is his character. that is his character, you know? >> but he can take direction? >> he had an oscar nomination for writing. i don't. he is really smart. and so he's playing a person so he is thoughtful about it. but there is something he does with the silence and something about him being able -- both of these characters a lot of this movie is about telling the truth and both of these characters, especially owen's character says exactly what is going on in the in a moment most matter how incredibly awkward it is. you see that. he gets away with it. i don't even know what that quality is. i don't know if it's, you know, a childhood thing, adaption thing but there is a mystery about stardom and what people, talk about characters popping or actors getting in the screen and what they give off. i don't know. for me, he's always in this, like, a little bit of thought under neath all of that and a little bit of sadness. the movie has like this sort of change of tone and i think you will see that owen and zach are doing things they have both never done before. >> let's talk about "madmen." it was a little darker this past season. i said it reminded me of watching "let it be." the documentary you have all of these people you love but it seems to be surrounded by, what, a lot of sadness. >> yes. but it's also a story of triumph. >> yes. >> this is the whole thing about telling a story. there is going to be 92 hours of this thing when it's done. one of the things you want to do is not repeat yourself. you wano is not repeat yourself but you don't want to mix it up to keep it interesting. part of it is to sort of take the next step in his life. the previous season he had ruined his life. it was the story of 1968, it was also the story of don falling apart. his daughter found out that he was having an affair, his drinking was out of control -- >> and how ironic don didn't get in trouble when he was lying. he only got in trouble when he was telling the truth and that was when we had that wonderful scene with sally at the end, who's just an extraordinary actress. but he asked why she had gotten fired after he kept it from her and he said basically because i told the truth. >> yes. >> at the wrong time. >> not great parenting probably to share that with your kid but she knows a lot of things about him that we don't know about our parents, hopefully. and the story last season was kind of him working his way up inside his own business and kind of saying, well, you're waiting for him to self-destruct. you're waiting for him to act on his impulses and blow it like he always does. you're waiting for him to be selfish, and you're hoping that he can repair his relationship with peggy. telling that story, when we did that episode in particular with sally, which was directed by mike uppendahl. you're like he has to tell the truth to her, treat her like an adult. she knows everything about him. and that scene at the end which is every parent's dream. we were saying like don draper, a lot of his life is about his horrible childhood. he has just learned that you really got to work a lot harder to lose the love of your kids. every time the show can have a genuine earned emotion, i think it distinguishes it. i think it distinguishes it from the kind of liker for formulaic stuff. >> i just want to show one more scene. i'm sorry, we're way over. >> i don't care. >> you don't have the scene? why don't you -- yes. >> which one. >> i think you can, question authority. i think one of the more -- do you have it? okay, play it. >> let's get things started -- >> no, come on. >> t.j., you suck. you did that on purpose. show me -- show me the one. do you have that one? here we go. here's one of the more telling scenes i think. i want you to tell me about it, go, t.j. >> you said you didn't know what was going on. this beatles album, start with this one. >> have fun. ♪ >> don draper in a world he doesn't understand anymore. he is a sinatra man, not a beatles man. >> i think everybody was a beatles person. this, like a lot of the stories on the show, was something somebody told me. and the guy told me this amazing story that he and his father, they had a lot of battles, but they both loved the beatles. and then revolver came out and they listened to the album and his father just said i don't get this anymore. and to me it was like -- don is not -- does not want to be part of that. it's not just -- it's definitely part of the thing about it being a sinatra thing but that's one of the interesting things about this period and about the show. we did "my way" last year. "my way" is a number one song in 1969. i don't know that everybody is a sinatra man or beatles man or the jefferson airplane. there is a subversive streak in the united states. there's also an openness that goes with it. and you see something where our perception of what it was like is not -- it's like it is now, you know. if you want to, you can keep up with things. >> my dad -- >> real emotion wins out. >> i became a huge beatles fan because my dad had every album up until "revolver." so you tell that story, yeah, he didn't understand anymore. listen, we're excited. thank you for being with us, matthew. >> thank you. >> and the movie is "are you here." it debuts next friday, august 22nd, in theaters. i'm sure we will all be there to see that. thanks so much. what happens at the end? >> let me tell you. >> hold on. hold it right there. we'll get it right after break. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. ♪ start a team. join a team. walk to end alzheimer's. visit alz.org/walk today. 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don't wait ask your doctor about we've got dr. jeffrey sachs, he isn't giving hillary clinton a free pass on foreign policy. why he says she's pushing for a mindless call for more war. plus leigh gallagher on who's topping the list of the 100 fastest growing companies. plus record-shattering rain leaves drivers stranded and the threat is not over yet. bill karins will be here to check on the forecast. also, i am going to get dunked in very cold icy water. machines will be sprayed to be made. and making something stronger... will mean making it lighter. one day, factories will work with the cloud. one day... is today. dad: he's our broker. he helps looks after all our money. kid: do you pay him? dad: of course. kid: how much? dad: i don't know exactly. kid: what if you're not happy? does he have to pay you back? dad: nope. kid: why not? dad: it doesn't work that way. kid: why not? vo: are you asking enough questions about the way your wealth is managed? wealth management at charles schwab thousands of yezidis have spent ten days looking death in the face. >> while the white house has insisted that u.s. troops would not be put back into a combat role in america -- >> american military forces were on the ground today in the middle of a combat zone. the heavily armed green berets were there to assess what it take to put together a rescue operation. >> the question is whether american forces will get drawn into a direct slash with the militants of the islamic state. >> after dark it does get a little dangerous. >> for the third straight night the streets of ferguson looked like a battlefield. >> tear gas has been filling the air and bullets of lighting up the night. >> two reporters in ferguson, missouri, were arrested by ferguson police. >> evidently i was not moving quickly enough. >> i'm ready to take my kids and i'm ready to go. it's scary. >> are you going to hug it out with the president? >> absolutely. >> at an event in martha's vineya vineyard, it's getting a lot more attention than it might have. >> since clinton criticized her former boss in a magazine interview. >> we had any disagreement as partners and friends and i'm looking forward to seeing him tonight. >> she still seems so insincere. >> harry reid said what you're doing is a political stunt. >> we will do what we have to do in the state of texas to protect our citizens. harry reid needs to try that on. >> yes, sir. all right. welcome back to "morning joe." great to have you back with us. do we have the clock, t.j., are are you going to screw that one up too? >> i have it. >> do you want to put it up there? >> oh, look at that. so there's the 50 minutes till i think i get in there and get ice water dumped on me, all for a good cause. this is mika's daughter amelia and graham. they're going to dump, i guess, ice on mika's head too. it's the last thing she's going to do before going off to college. she gets one last shot at her mom. >> that's good. >> it's good to end your 18 years at home. >> it's a good negotiation tactic for the allowance discussion. >> i think so. with us on set we have fortune magazine's assistant editor leigh gallagher. also the director of the earth institute at columbia university, dr. jeffrey sachs who, wow, hillary clinton's foreign policy deception. we're going to be talking about that in just one second. first, parts of the mid-atlantic and northeast are cleaning up and drying out after heavy rain sparked flooding across several states. >> yeah, the hardest hit area appeared to be long island where islip, new york, saw a record amount of rain. 13.57 inches. that is a lot in under 24 hours. it's more than the region typically receives all summer long. let's go to bill karins for more on this horrendous wet weather. bill? >> this 13.5 inches of rain, guys, is not just a daily record or monthly record, we're talking an all-time new york state weather. think how long weather records go back in new york state, back to the 1800s. no single location has ever recorded 13 inches of rain in 24 hours before. think of all the hurricanes that have hit, the nor'easters and all the big thunderstorms. this was the most rain ever. so islip, new york, the new record holder at 13.57 inches of rain in 24 hours. the old record, by the way, was only set two years ago when hurricane irene went through, about three years ago and that was in tannersville, new york, at 11.5 inches of rain. where else did we get drenched? maryland saw 10 inches. what's amazing about this storm, a little bit of a head scratcher with our weather extremes is that so many locations saw flash flooding. this wasn't a hurricane, this wasn't a tropical storm. this is new pictures coming in from last night all the way up in portland, maine. they picked up 6.5 inches of rain from that same storm. that's as much rain as they would typically get in three months in portland, maine, during the summer. you can see this just adds to the hundreds of vehicles that were swamped up and down the east coast. other areas, of course two days ago in baltimore, three days ago in detroit, all from the same storm system. thankfully it's gone and we don't have to deal with it ever again but we have to deal with its aftermath for a while there. still some power outages and a lot of water waiting to recede, especially for those areas around long island and islip. >> greatly appreciate it. glad that has passed. we're actually going to have a nice weekend up here, going to feel like fall. so let's go from long island to iraq. >> obviously. >> obviously that's the next step. >> there are strong signals in iraq that the u.s. will not launch a rescue operation for those displaced civilians. a team spent 24 hours on top of mt. sinjar where waves of refugees fled from islamic militants. the pentagon said several thousand refugees are still there but far fewer than reported a week ago. ongoing u.s. air strikes have allowed many to escape. defense secretary chuck hagel says it is far less likely that an evacuation mission will be needed. meanwhile prime minister nouri al maliki is striking a defiant tone. >> he might as well be talking to a wall. >> i think he thought iran would help him but they have ditched him to. >> the u.s. as undercut him, the military has undercut him, now he's going to the courts? >> he does have these militias and special forces and military who are loyal to him, so could he try and get them out on the streets again? politically, it looks like he's over. >> we'll see. jeffrey, boy, this is -- seems to be a much tougher call. you know, we've been against military intervention in a lot of -- been together since 2008, 2009 on a lot of issues like this. how do we respond, though, to the growing isis threat without trying to get a group of nations together to work with us to stop the spread of isis? >> well, the first thing is we understand it. >> what is it? >> well, it is very radical, obviously very murderous group but it emerged in the context of our syria policy. our syria policy was to destabilize the syrian government. this opened up space for every kind of horror, including the isis horror. so every time we intervene we have an anti-midas touch from libya, searia, iraq. we destabilized the whole region. >> we destabilized syria and then it falls to pieces, isis grows out of that. are you on hillary's side, are you on the president's side that we should have gone into syria earlier? barack obama says it's fantasy that if we went into syria earlier we could have actually done something to stop the killing of over 100,000 syrians. what do you think? >> we went into syria. it's been hidden from the american people by and large. we don't know how far in syria we are and have been. there's been lots of secret weapons moving, lots of secret money moving, lots of publicly announced money moving. we're in syria. we have succeeded, in quotation marks, in destabilizing a region and now there are -- >> the same way we were in bosnia, by the way. >> we got in enough to create a complete disaster. >> you've established that. so we all agree. >> yeah. >> let's agree for argument's sake that we created the disaster. >> we're one of the parties and we contributed to it. >> so what do we do after that? what do we do now? what do we do moving forward with isis? >> i think you're correct that a number of governments have a critical stake in isis not being this murderous group that it is. where are they? where's turkey? >> where's germany? >> we have something called the united nations. that's a good place to start. instead of us just taking this on unilaterally, once again making the incredible kind of mess that we keep making, let's try to find a real solution that actually speaks to the interests of the neighboring countries. >> where are our european allies? they seem to be on a vacation from history. everybody has just assumed that the united states is going to clean up messes across the globe and when we go too far, they turn around and attack us for trying to clean up messes around the globe. why can't we drag the germans, why can't we drag the e.u. and drag other people who have more of a stake in curbing isis than do we? >> i think one of the things we have to remember is that many times the europeans have said stop, you're about to step into a land mine, like in iraq in 2003. they told us absolutely right, don't do that. we said what are you, cowards, pacifists and so forth and we ended up creating a disaster. >> it's 2014 now, jeffrey. >> well, i'm saying we have a pattern now repeatedly in iraq, in syria, in libya that has destabilized now an entire region. it's incredible to read the interview with president obama where he says, well, yes, we overthrew gadhafi. we didn't think very much about what would come next. are you kidding? how can you say that in 2011 when we saw the experience in 2003. >> so the instability across the middle east is all the united states' doing? >> no, no. it's just that we are so not smart in what we're doing, it's unbelievable. >> did you ever see team america? >> i haven't. >> you should see it. jeffrey, you write about hillary clinton's foreign policy deception and hillary may want to walk away from this mess but she can't. t of course the u.s. is not the only failure in this story, there's failure galore among all participants. yet with all of the urgent issues the world faces, fighting diseases, climate change, extreme poverty, high unemployment, widespread illiteracy, our political leaders have doubled down on war, including clinton's tough talk. most of us are utterly tired of the mindless call for more war that is leading the world deeper into despair. >> there's no doubt that this country is war weary and nearly bankrupt because of our expenditures in various wars. but with regard to this particular region and this particular group, katty, is it not the case this is the saudi duplicity, egyptian duplicity and even iranian duplicity, they are all our natural allies in this fight against the growing threat of isis. >> and there's been a stunning silence from around the region. from the qataris who were supporting them in syria as militant extremists. you haven't heard much from the iranians and the saudis. the only way that the situation is going to get resolved in iraq at the moment, the only chance we have of really rolling back isis and making this an organization that is no longer a real national security threat to the united states and to europe is by getting a political regional solution from those countries. >> bravo. this is exactly right. we can't do this. this is not the u.s. job. >> and i think when -- joe, to your point when it was about syria, i do think actually there was much more pressure in europe from politicians -- >> the french and the british. >> and britain too to get involved at that stage, to get involved earlier on in the syrian operation. but iraq is still seen as america's problem. it really is. and you're right, isis constitutes a threat to europe as well. there are fighters there from europe as well, but iraq is seen as america's problem. >> joe, we sat at this table when president obama and hillary clinton said assad must go. i remember saying to you, what? what are they talking about? how are they going to do it? what's going to happen? >> mubarak must go, assad must go, gadhafi must go. >> we talked about it and said you can't make a statement like this and think things are going to come out roses and here we are. they don't think. >> one of the big issues here that hasn't received the headlines that it ought to receive because of the ongoing conflict with isis on an everyday basis is jordan. if isis manages to control part of jordan or overthrow the jordanian government, which is very tenuous to begin with, think of israel, its next-door neighbor. what's going on in gaza is going to look like a day at the beach. >> and the thing is, yes, we started this in 2003. the reason i said it's 2014. we've got to deal with it now. the europeans have to deal with it. the saudis have to deal with it. qatar would have to deal with it but they're at the root cause of so many problems across the middle east it's stunning what they get away with and why more people don't trace what they're doing with terrorist groups across the middle east. i'm not sure why they get a free ride on that. but yeah, the saudis, for god sake, why aren't the saudis doing more? >> and you said the crucial word, "political." not military. you said it needs a political settlement. >> jeffrey, you write in the arab spring in 2011 we were got wholly flat-footed. our policy has been completely reactive. why do you think that is? >> because nobody in washington is paying attention to on the ground. we just look at these countries only for what they mean for us in the most reactive way, oil, for example. or, you know, some immediate -- >> thank god we're going to get a lot more oil in america, huh, jeffrey? >> yeah, this is -- it's unbelievable. we've just not paid attention for years. we don't have a feel on the ground. when you're there, i travel in these countries all the time, you see a lot that isn't reflected in washington at all. then when something happens, boom, war. overthrow them. that's what we do. >> jeffrey sachs, we've missed you. >> happy to be back. >> come back more. >> i will. >> what are they saying about "morning joe" in sub-saharan africa. >> they love it. at the vatican, the pope, everywhere. >> you say wherever you go -- >> it's unbelievable. >> we've heard this obviously from egypt -- >> i can be any place in the world. hey, i saw you last week on "morning joe." i was in ethiopia, i was in row wanda, just hearing it everywhere. >> isn't that crazy? >> i know i'm ironic a lot of times, but here we hear this all the time. world leaders from across the globe actually watch this show. jeffrey came back and he said, you know, i even get it at sub-saharan africa. >> no question. it's crazy. >> do they watch it on their phones? >> everywhere. they tweet it out,in incredible. coming up on "morning joe" why the pope means business. how pope francis is fixing the finances. plus i always thought bobby jindal and i are on good terms. we'll show you why i'm starting to question that assumption. they're going to dump some ice on me and mika's daughter, dear, dear amelia, is going to spend her last moments dumping ice on her mother. a surprise visit from morning mika straight ahead on "morning joe." ♪ ♪ it's time to bring it out in the open. it's time to drop your pants for underwareness, a cause to support the over 65 million people who may need depend underwear. show them they're not alone and show off a pair of depend. because wearing a different kind of underwear, is no big deal. join us. support the cause and get a free sample of depend at underwareness.com fancy feast broths. they're irresistabowl... completely unbelievabowl... totally delectabowl. real silky smooth or creamy broths. everything she's been waiting for. carefully crafted with real seafood, real veggies, and never any by-products or fillers. wow! being a cat just got more enjoyabowl. fancy feast broths. wow served daily. mom usually throws a gogurt in there. well mom's not here today so we're doing things dad's way. which means i get... two. 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>> they never did. he replaced old guard cardinals. he brought people in from ernst & young. >> you're kidding. >> no. he knows how to bring in the right leaders under him and motivate them to get the job done. as a result, it's just being completely transformed. >> there had been a level of corruption and secrecy in the vatican bank that was historic. and dealing with that bureaucracy would have to have been mind boggling. >> yes. in fact before he was named pope, he was a long-time critic of the way the vatican did business. the inside dealings, bids go to friends of the church and no competitive bids, an insular way of doing business, which is not a good way of doing business for many reasons. he's got this elite managerial skill set that i think is something -- people have no idea, for all the other things that he's done that we know about. >> he also knows a lot more about economics than most economists. he understands actually what's wrong with the world economy. we have this incredibly growing inequality gap. what even people in the united states don't understand is the wages that you pay to people who work for you are revenue for everybody else. we are now obsessed with profitability, maxing it out. we've got to start actually paying our folks more. that's one of the messages he's preaching. >> absolutely. and he says that you can't -- he can't meet his bigger need, which is helping the poor around the world, help get needy is his biggest mission. you can't do that unless your books are in order and that's also something new. >> let's go to the fastest growing companies. >> sure. >> i'm glad henry is here. i'm going to ask henry some questions about this as well but let's talk about the fastest-growing companies. >> this is a list we do every year and we rank them on profit, revenue and stock growth over the past three years. this is who's hot in sort of the recent past. what's interesting this year is a full quarter of the companies are involved in shale oil and natural gas. so a fourth of these companies are either refining, delivering, servicing, selling, discovering, so it's really a metric of what's hot in our country. >> does one company stand out? >> no. there are probably a lot you haven't heard of. number one is actually a pharmaceutical company that's developed an anti-inflammatory drug so that's always an yar where we see a lot of growth. i just heard a funny term this week, hopium for pharmaceuticals. >> "hunger games" very good for liongate entertainment. >> toll brothers has really risen a lulu lemon is on here. >> apple still? >> apple is still there. >> henry, let me ask you, you look at the bubble in '99, 2000, you look at the housing bubbles. when you look through these lists, how do we sort through the pets.com versus the apples versus the microsofts. >> there are pockets of incredible opportunity. energy, the united states has a huge energy boom which is driving a lot of job growth, it's been very good for reducing dependence on the middle east and so forth and a lot are in there, but it seems to be relatively widespread right now. part of the issue in the 1990s was it was centered on technology and housing, everything was tied directly to housing. now it seems to be relatively diversified. >> so you mentioned income inequality which is a staggering problem we have to confront in this country, but how do we get through the mindset, you get these big corporations and they announce we laid off 10% of our workforce and their stock goes up. >> you have to ultimately focus people on the longer term, which is that if we keep destroying the american consumer by reducing costs to the absolute minimum we can pay people, you're ultimately destroying the buyers of your products. the reason our economy has been so strong since 1950 is that we had a very well off middle class that could support every company. if we gut it, and we're continuing to do that, there's no revenue for other companies and ultimately the economy just breaks down. if you really want to get somewhere, you can try appealing to fairness. maybe share a little bit more of the wealth that the company creates with the people who create it. if that doesn't work, appeal to long-term greed which is companies will grow a lot faster if you put more of what you're making back into the economy with wages. >> henry ford famously figured this out over a century ago. >> his employees were customers, so pay them well. exactly. great points. >> leigh, this is great. holy reformer on the cover. thanks for being with us. >> thanks. coming up, what's the next best thing to creating your own internet startup? investing in one just as it gets off the ground. one of the top ceos joins us on the web on "morning joe." plus, you invite someone on the show and how do they repay you? by publicly coercing you to dump a bucket of ice on your head. look, the tarp is coming out, mike. obviously it's going to be wet around here. >> rain delay. >> bobby jindal, thanks so much, buddy. we'll be back with more "morning joe." so ally bank really has no hidden fees on savings accounts? that's right. it's just that i'm worried about you know "hidden things..." ok, why's that? no hidden fees, from the bank where no branches equals great rates. 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>> well, hopefully they are paying the people who are working for them well and the people who are no longer working in retail can either work for companies like yours or can create new companies. the economy is always transitioned. we used to be a farming economy, then it was a heavy industrial economy. jobs have always been created as long as people are creative. the point is, the goal shouldn't be to pay the people who create the value as little as you possibly can. it should be to share the value with them. >> talk about the boston store. mike was asking about the boston store. talk about that, if you will, because it's fascinating how your operation works. >> well, one of the things in responding to henry's point tying to the store that we found to be exciting is actually sharing the ownership with the company. so most of the time in retail what you do is you say we're going to hoard all the profits and you've got the employee peons. we flipped the script and said let's make everyone in the company owners. so coming back to our guide shops, we've got ten now. boston, chicago, san francisco, all these places. the managers are equity owners in the company. same for our customer service ninjas, which is our customer service team. most people are talking about running customer service on the other side of the planet, we're running it here in new york city. if you want to offer great service, you have to make the people who are providing that service, in case the ninjas and the guides, you have to make them owners of the company. >> but what happens in the store, to joe's point? >> our stores we think are a revelation. we think this is the future. you come in, you get an amazing customer service experience. a great one-to-one interaction. you come in, you have an appointment, you try stuff on, you touch and feel the product but the whole thing is guided. so you're getting great-fitting product but awesome style advice as well. at the end of your time with us, we place an e-commerce transaction which fulfills through the mail. so you take all this inventory out of the store and that enables you to focus on just great human interactions in the store. i think apple was the pioneer of this with the genius bar. you were talking about lululemon earlier. they're great at offering a great experience in stores. i think stores are just changing into more experienced and customer service. >> you are hiring people in your stores. this is not just online only. you're actually hiring -- giving people real jobs and some of the -- you have a venture capital firm that you started and is investing in similar companies. one of those companies is task rabbit, which is a great counter argument and making another point what henry said is that a lot of these new companies are giving people new ways to work. this outsources tasks. i need a dress to be picked up, i can't get out of the office. you hire someone to do it and they bid on it. now they changed the model a little bit. >> so they do your task for you. >> they are students or part-timers and they are finding new ways to -- >> is there an app for this? >> yes. >> did you get reviews on this? >> look it up. >> it's the future. i've got to get out of 1979 and get the 8 track tape away. >> get yourself a cell phone. these are pretty cool, you should get one. >> i'll try one of those things. >> try an app. >> an app? >> yeah, a-p-p. >> what's that? i'm just going to go home and watch my beta max. this is fascinating, aebd. are you wearing our clothes? >> not just our pants anymore. shirts, jackets, we're seeing huge growth in suits and blazers and button down shirts. >> all right. fantastic. greatly appreciate you coming. andy dunn, thank you so much. you can log on to afternoonmojo.msnbc.com to hear more about andy in our exclusive web interview. henry, great to have you on, greatly appreciate it. coming up next, for the governor of a warm weather state, bobby jindal has a cool, cool sense of humor. we'll explain what i mean next on "morning joe." if energy could come from anything?. or if power could go anywhere? or if light could seek out the dark? 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is it some past criticisms that we may have had about your esteemed office or being an alabama fan? why are you picking on me, man? why are you picking on me? >> joe, i've never been more popular with your staff and your producers. they were so excited when i did this. you know, look, as an alabama fan, you guys aren't going to be able to do a gatorade shower later this season when we beat you. >> look at this, lsu fan already talking smack, mike barnicle. >> you can take care of him this fall. >> that's what i'm saying. >> so have you heard back from les miles. you challenged les, is he going to do it? >> i've heard back from willie robertson. i'm thrilled you're going to be such a good sport about this. i want to be very clear, there's a new trend called the naked ice bucket challenge. i'm not challenging you to that, that is not at all -- that's not good tv. so this is just the plain, vanilla, ice bucket challenge. >> mike barnicle wants to actually volunteer for that. that will really help ratings a lot. >> through the roof. >> we're going to talk about why you did this, why you challenged me. the bigger cause in a minute a little bit later on right before the ice is dumped on my head and mika's head as well. first of all, let's talk about a couple of things. let's start with common core. this is an issue that seems like a great idea to a lot of people, including conservatives like jeb bush. it seemed to take a nasty turn. i've actually heard parents from moderate republican and democratic families walk up to me and express concern about common core. it's not just been right wing nuts, as the mainstream media would want us to believe, but a lot of concerns about common core. what's your -- what's your evolution on this? >> well, look, i originally thought the idea of standards locally was a great idea and i'm still for rigor in the classroom. the reason i'm opposing common core so strongly and fighting to get it out of louisiana is that it has become something very different than what it started. now it's become driven by the federal government, the federal bureaucracy. it was never intended to be a top down approach. the federal government has never made curriculum decisions in our local schools. i think it's a mistake to do that. a lot of times people who are for common core try to say if you're against us, you're against standards. that's not true. i'm for tests, i'm for standards. i don't want the federal government driving these standards. as a parent, i look at the math standards and some of the reading text and i'm very worried about my kids doing these things. i think it would have been better if they had slowed down, let the teachers, let the parents have more involvement, have more transparency. i think they have rushed to do this. so i think the idea of standards is good, i just don't like the idea of a one size fits all approach from the federal government. >> speaking of high standards, the bbc's katty kay is here. >> governor, you were up in des moines, iowa, there, and "the register" there said you got a warm welcome. so how is 2016 looking for you? >> look, i'm thinking and praying about it. won't make a decision until after november. we've got to win some important races this november. if i were to decide to run, i certainly think that our country is hungry for a big change in direction. not incremental change, especially when it comes to restoring the american dream for our children and grandchildren. there's a lot of frustration with both democrats and republicans in both parties that all they want to do is make incremental changes. even in d.c. you hear from republicans you can't repeal obamacare, you can't pal the budget, you can't grow the economy. we need stronger foreign policy. but there will be time after november to make those decisi s decisions. right now let's win the senate and these governors races. >> governor, back to the common core, where does louisiana rank in terms of education and math in national standards? >> well, historically louisiana has not done well but recently we've implemented very aggressive reform so in new orleans, 90% of our kids are now in charter schools. we have doubled the percentage doing reading and math on grade level in five years. we have got the highest ever graduation rate in our high schools. at one point in new orleans before these reforms, 60% of our kids were in failing schools. now it's less than 6%. you look across the state, record growth in the number of kids taking a.p. exams, more kits doing well on the a.c.t., so we have seen rapid improvement and rapid progress. we've still got work to do. i'm not saying we're where we want to be but we're doing better than we have before because we've done charter schools, merit evaluations of our teachers. we do school choice. i'm all for reforms and i'm all for accountability. i think it's important. louisiana's kids learn the best math and we can compare them to kids in other countries and other states. my problem with common core is, again, the federal department of education, arne duncan through race to the top, no child left behind, has made this into a federal takeover of our local curriculum. that's what's not acceptable. >> governor, this is thomas roberts. just two quick things. first of all, thank you for accepting the als challenge that you took and thank you for challenging joe. did your other two nominees accept and have they done it? >> willie has accepted. he's going to do it later today. we've not heard from les miles. i think we can raise a lot of money for als by auctioning off the rights to dump joe. think about all the money you could raise offering people the chance to bid on that. >> bobby, you stick around. we're going to get this over with next. plus we're going to reveal who i'm nominating for the challenge, and here's a hint. one of them is sitting in our little swimming pool here on the "morning joe" set with tarp all around it and with our kids around. amelia is here and i've got kate and jack here as well. straight ahead on "morning joe." can this decadent, fruit topped pastry... ...with indulgent streusel crumble, be from... fiber one. new fiber one streusel. are you new to medicare? are you wondering about your choices? with over 30 years of medicare experience, unitedhealthcare medicare solutions can help. call now to learn more about plans available to you... including aarp medicare plans... or to get this free medicare made clear answer guide. it was created to help make the different parts of medicare easier to understand. medicare has two main parts -- parts a and b -- to help cover a lot of your expenses. like hospital care... and doctor visits. but they still won't cover all of your costs. unitedhealthcare has the information you need to help you be better prepared when making medicare decisions. so call toll-free now. or visit us online. are you looking for something nice and easy? 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>> sure. >> so mika is here because joe, your nominations are? >> carol king, lyle lovett and mika brzezinski. >> mika, who are yours? >> mine are my brothers mark and ian and bradley cooper. >> these are all really good ones. governor jindal, do you have any final words before they get ice baths? >> i want to thank them for supporting a great cause. i think we should start dunking members of congress every time they say something stupid on your show. >> do you support that? >> that would be niagara falls, are you kidding me? >> we should go into the ice-making business. >> okay. are we ready to do this? okay, give me this. let me take glasses. here we go. on the count of three, are you ready? 1, 2, 3. get 'em, get 'em, get 'em, get 'em! attack! attack! get 'em jack. get 'em. get 'em good. >> oh, my goodness. it's absolute mayhem! and the crowd goes wild! oh, my goodness gracious. that was a good job, jack. kate, good job. graham, good job, amelia, good job. louis, good job with the trash can filled with ice. governor jindal, thank you for the spectacle you created here on "morning joe." >> support the als foundation. it's a great cause. >> it really is a great cause. go check out their website because if you weren't inspired by this -- oh, goodness! wait, i already did it! i already did it! here's jack. i'll protect you, jack. 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"hardball" starts right now. a dove named paul? a hawk named hillary? let's play "hardball." good evening. i'm chris matthews in washington. let me start with the president's decision today to hold off on air strikes in syria. >> i don't want to put the cart before the horse. we don't have a strategy yet. i think what i have seen in some of the yous reports suggests folks are getting further ahead of where we're at than we currently are. that's not just my assessment but the assessment of the military as well. we need clear plans that we are developing them. i will consult with congress. and make sure their voices are heard. there is no point asking until we know what it will take to get the job done. >> that was a surprise. the big debate is do we go the direction of george bush again back to pursuing grand goals of ideology? the freedom agenda or do we stick to the dovish stance of president obama trying hard the to wind down the military intervention in the islamic world? here come it is big irony. could the voters be asked to choose from are a dovish republican in rand paul versus a relatively hawkish hillary clinton? listening to what they are saying it's hard to see anything else. in a wall street journal op-ed today senator paul had strong words for people who pushed for stronger action in syria. he wrote, "shooting first and asking questions later has never been a good foreign policy. the past year has been a perfect example. our middle east policies unhinged flailing about to see who to act against next with little thought to the consequences. this is not a foreign policy." he pointed out if the hawks got their way and we brought down the government of al assad, it would have been strengthened. the administration's goal has been to degrade assad's power, forcing him to negotiate with the rebels, but degrading assad's military capacity also degrades his ability to fend off isis. joining us are howard fineman and ron reagan. we were talking before the show. very much like the way he's been. dovish. stay out of this stuff. >> it's as though he read rand paul's op-ed piece. my head is spinning. you have rand paul writing an op-ed piece that could have been written a generation ago by george mcgovern, and the national committee came out with a statement attacking rand paul from the right. basically from the hawkish perspective that sounded like something that could have been produced by dick cheney or john mccain or rudy giuliani a few years ago. this is who he is. he'll go so far as to say, hey, i don't have a plan. i have no strategy as a way the to buy time, rather than shoot first and ask questions later. >> ron reagan, i have been looking at this for weeks nowment i saw it coming. rand paul is an isolationist, a dove. in many ways he conforms to what i think, probably for different reasons. i think the united states has gone way overboard in involvement in the world. too many fights, too many enemies looking for trouble. an itchy trigger finger. hillary clinton seems to want to be at least two notches to the right if not one notch to the right of the president. much tougher on russia, ukraine, the middle east, china, everywhere. she's much more ornery and wanting to fight. what's your thinking? what's going on with american foreign policy in the debate? >> the rand paul brand looks better on a bumper sticker than when you flesh it out. howard fineman is a fine editor. if rand paul were one of his columnists and turned this in as a think piece howard would send it back in no uncertain terms saying you need to put thought into it. what was he saying exactly? that we should learn from mistakes in the middle east especially and not repeat them. well, thank you very much, senator paul. next column maybe you can do something on the importance of washing your hands after using the restroom. what did this piece say? nothing. it said let's not be stupid in foreign policy. there is no prescription there from paul. the political point that up is down and black is white with hillary. >> what i remember about eisenhower is he didn't take us to vietnam. that was a good thing he didn't do. when it comes to foreign policy i believe some of the best stuff you do is what you don't do. lyndon johnson did a lot in foreign policy, right? >> yeah. >> a lot of foreign policy. >> as howard said rand paul's essay is like barack obama's don't do stupid stuff. they are a mirror immanual of one another. >> hillary clinton says not doing stupid stuff isn't enough. you have to do other things. what are those? that's what we'll see in the depate if she runs. >> if i had been editing rand paul's piece and i'll ask him to submit the next one to me, ron. >> you should. >> first of all, he should have said what he would do. ron's right. he didn't say, okay, you're cautious, you're smart. >> leave syria alonement stay out of it. >> that's true. >> what's wrong with saying we don't have to mess in everybody's rhubarb. why are we building syria, iraq, egypt, the emirates? >> we are largely leaving syria alone. we have not gone into syria. you want to ask rand paul, what happens when isis beheads other americans? what if they attack oil fields vital to the national interest, an ally we have a defense treaty with. what then? well, hands off? it's more complicated than rand paul's imagining would have it. >> here comes senator paul again. he called out hillary clinton by name for her hawkish views on syria. wrote, to interventionists like former secretary of state hillary clinton we would caution that arming the islamic rebels in syria created a haven for the islamic state. we are lucky mrs. clinton didn't get her way and the obama administration didn't bring about regime change in syria. that new regime might have been isis. on "meet the press" sunday the senator called hillary clinton a war hawk. listen. >> in a general election, were i to run there will be independent and democrats who say, we are tired of war. we are worried hillary clinton will get us involved in a middle eastern war. if you want to see a transformational election in the country let the democrats put forward a war hawk like hillary clinton and see a transformation like you have never seen. amazing stuff that this campaign has begun in 2014. two years from thousand. >> to look at history, a generation ago all the fights about intervention, isolation and so on were within the democratic party starting with johnson and kennedy, through mcgovern and so forth. now it looks like, if rand paul is to be taken seriously, that the fight will be within the republican party. i would have said, who are the unnamed republicans you are also putting in hillary clinton's camp? if you're going to get to hillary clinton -- >> you're doing one of these. come at me. where is that from? pittsburgh? >> you want to go directly to hillary clinton and set up the general election. who are the republicans you will take on here? >> it's great. isn't it good? >> yes. >> isn't it good we are debating instead of just doing it? we never had a debate about going into iraq, as i recall. a few of us opposed the war. john kerry, biden. who didn't support the war? hill ry. >> hillary. >> i don't want to get caught on the wrong side of this baby. i don't want to look weak. i have to look at strong as republicans. that kind of chicken is where the democratic party didn't show its finest colors when they said we don't want to be caught off base. i think you are right, howard. the great debate might be in the debates which -- by the way, the media won't be involved in the debates next year. we're not involved. >> i think if paul starts the serious argument within the republican party it could spread to the democrats as well. hillary clinton better watch out. >> who's going to carry the banner -- >> i don't know. >> -- for the dovish side. >> i don't know. >> who would be the dove against hillary if she runs? she sounds like it. a couple notches from the president. one would be appropriate. if she's two notches from russia, china, the middle east, somebody will commit against her on the left, i think. do you agree? >> boy, i don't know. i can't see anybody actually challenging her now are from either side from the democratic party. interestingly enough for rand paul he's got the opposite problem -- hand paul has decided to go into the republican primary running to the left of hillary clinton. that's a novel strategy for a republican. i have to say. >> i love it. >> some of the primaries and caucuses you can register on the day, go in and participate where the action is. i think that's one thing rand paul is looking at is a strategy. independents and dems to vote for him. if he's the only anti-war, let's be careful, let's get involved, get in other people's rhubarb to use your are phrase. >> that's from batman. i grew up with people like mark hatfield, john sherman cooper. these were the people opposed to the vietnam war, republicans out front. it's not the craziest thing for a republican to be dove issue. great to see you. coming up, karl rove's group crossroads gps commissioned a record looking at the republican party standing with women. the blunt finding of the group, female voters think the republican party is intolerant, lacking in compassion, stuck in the past. that's the republican view of their own party. also, what do you think when you mix a private donor's conference sponsored by the koch brothers, an unguarded politician and an audio recording. the latest behind closed doors look at what they really think. this time it's mitch mcconnell explaining what the republican agenda will be if he gets to be majority leader. yesterday, we saw the tragic consequence of what happens when a 9-year-old girl is allowed to shoot an automatic weapon, an uzi. for some gun people -- i can call them gun nuts, like the nra people, it's the tip of the iceberg. they want virtually no restrictions on guns. wait until you see laws pushed across the country. they are on a slippery slope on the far right. finally, people who speak with a forked tongue like mitch mcconnell and mitt romney. this is "hardball," the place for politics. we're less than 70 days from midterm elections now. the senate race in iowa can't get any closer. let's check the "hardball" scoreboard. the latest poll has democratic congressman bruce braley and republican jo any ernst even at 40%. we have new numbers for the governor's race in the hawkeye state. terry branstad is up by 12 over jack hatch. that's 47-35. things are happening in iowa. we'll be right back. choose nexium twenty-foureople hour for frequent heartburn. i was worried about orange juice, coffee... everything. not anymore. get nexium level protection ™ and for a limited time save six dollars at nexium24hr.com for over 19 million people. 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>> i thought this polling was the opposite of breaking news. it's what we saw when developing the contract with america. it shows the caricature of the republicans takes hold. i can tell you what the party is doing. the party is doing its own polling. i have been involved in focus groups and we find there are certainly some of the stereotypes that persist. there are a number of policies that when explained matter. if you have a happy optimistic message that connects with people, remember the famous washington post poll after the 2012 election? mitt romney beat barack obama and who has a vision, he lost 81-18 on which one cares about people like you. even a majority of republicans agreed. there is no question you have to -- >> here's the question. why are women more susceptible to buying the caricature. are men buying the caricature of what the party is? >> sometimes. >> does it work both ways? >> sometimes that's true, chris. the genderer gap works both ways. president obama, president clinton, it is difficult for democratic candidates to win men much the way it is difficult for republican candidates to win women. in the case of clinton, she may be the democrats mitt romney in 2016. what evidence is it that she connects with all women? i don't know how good a candidate she'll be. it's one answer we have to wait for. how good a candidate will hillary clinton be? she has the name i.d., credentials f. she's great she walks away. if she's okay, it's close. >> it's a terrible summer of unforced errors for her in the book tour. terrible. >> okay. that was a late hit. to this one. >> 15 yards. >> 49-39 among women. my question is do you know why it's important? here's the answer before kellyanne gets back. there are more women than men so the gender gap on the women's side is lethal. >> not only that there are more women than men but women go out and vote. women go to the poll and vote on the issues that matter. what i like and find interesting. i know what people think about karl rove. i'm a fan. we have talked about it before. i think he's a brilliant strategist. i watched him work. i personally witnessed him go out with george bush and work hard for the african-american vote. regardless of people say the increase bush got was negligible a 3% increase in the african-american vote is a big deal. i like the poll -- >> did you vote for bush? >> i think he got he once, not twice. >> first or second? >> when everyone was worried about the -- >> vote for the first or second time. >> i don't remember. >> would you vote for him again? >> when i was worried about terrorism, i saw the massacre in russia. i saw those children could have been mine. george bush was my man. the hanl out of the poll is that the republican party keep s doing autopsies on lots of things. how do we get white women to vote for us. how does the republican party get anyone that's not a white man to vote for them. >> in 2014 we have a poll that shows among women voters, republicans favored to run the congress, 37% want the congress in republican hands and 51% of women, a real majority want the democrats. explain that. is that caricature. >> not at all. they are probably going to vote for their incumbents. particularly in the house if they are republicans chances are that individual's connection with that woman and his or her performance on the job will trump party i.d. on the senate side it's fascinating. 2014 is incredible. you have female republics -- ded republicans --. i bet you that mary landrieu, kay hagan and michelle nunn, three female democrats in the south are not going to run on the war on women, anti-woman republican meme. how can they do that? georgia, louisiana and north carolina. >> they're not talking -- not that it's the only issue. they don't talk about abortion rights down south. right? >> right. >> let me ask you this profound thing. you are fighting a number. 51-37. that's a huge change. it seems women -- i look at people like joanie ernst. i bet she'll do better among men. that's odd. people vote ideology not gender. >> correct. >> you have an african-american senator from south carolina who's a republican. >> yes. >> people -- you have our friend michael steele running in maryland. >> in our state, yes. >> he got blown away by the african-americans. they killed him because he's a republican. >> one of the things we have to look at and kellyanne is my favorite pollster, we have used her. we have to look at the browning of the country. if you look at how voters, the democrats of the republican woman who votes republican. most are married. most are white. most live in upper middle class families. the country is browning. you are seeing fewer white women just like you are anywhere else. >> and not getting married. >> they are not getting married. economic issues, the democratic party looks friendlier. >> i agree. people that go to church a lot, married tend to be republican. those who aren't married, don't go to church a lot tend to be democratic. kellyanne, please come back. we have so much to talk about. great conversation. i almost got a word in there. up next, a word to the wise for rick perry. if you have been indicted on criminal charges you should probably know what the charges arement another oops from the man from texas. this is "hardball," the place for politics. one day, machines will be sprayed to be made. and making something stronger... will mean making it lighter. one day, factories will work with the cloud. one day... is today. tigers, both of you. tigers? 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[ applause ] more news after this. >> next up, speculation this week that the u.s. led fight against isis in iraq could expand into syria led many to point out a move could put us on the same side as bashar al assad blurring the lines of which side we are on. here is jon stewart reacting to that. >> could you see as crazy as it might sound some sort of covert cooperation between the u.s. and the syrian regime of al assad in damascus? >> you know, it is [ bleep ] like this that makes you almost regret us destabilizing the region in the first place. >> i get it now. >> now we find ourselves trapped between iraq -- and assad place. are [ cheers and applause ] >> finally, if there is one thing we learned about former presidential candidate rick perry during the 2012 campaign it was that he doesn't have the best memory. who can forget the oops heard around the world. >> the third agency of government, i would do away with education, the -- um -- >> commerce. >> commerce. and let's see. >> oh, my. >> i can't. the third one i can't. i'm sorry. oops. >> that was a small oops. anyway, it seems the recently indicted governor of texas has forgotten which criminal charges have been filed against him. according to abc news he told a group of business leaders in new hampshire over the weekend that, quote, i have been indict bid the same body now for, i think, two counts. one on bribery, which i'm not a lawyer so i don't really understand the details here. well, in fact, the charges do not include bribery at all. perry has been indicted for, quote, abuse of official capacity and coercion. you ought to know what you are being charged with. if you are talking about taking down the president make sure nobody is recording you. senator mcconnell caught on tape. that's next. you're watching "hardball," the place for politics. thank you daddy for defending our country. thank you for your sacrifice and thank you for your bravery. thank you colonel. thank you daddy. military families are uniquely thankful for many things, the legacy of usaa auto insurance can be one of them. if you're a current or former military member or their family, get an auto insurance quote and see why 92% of our members plan to stay for life. let that phrase sit with you for a second. unlimited. as in, no limits on your hard-earned cash back. as in no more dealing with those rotating categories. the quicksilver card from capital one. unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase, every day. don't settle for anything less. i'll keep asking. what's in your wallet? 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here it is again. same problem. >> 47% of the people who vote for the president, agree with him. 47% are dpen dend upon government who believe that they are victims, who believe the government has a responsibility to care for them, who believe they are entitled to health care, food, housing, you name it. it's entitlement. that the government should give it to them. they will vote for this president no matter what. >> the negative messages the candidates are sending behind closed doors that get caught never play well when they are made public. jonathan ways man is is with the new york times and perry bacon is a political news reporter. the rule was don't say anything in politics unless you are ready to see it on the front page of the newspaper. >> right. that's a caution a lot of them can't abide by when they get in front of fat cats they are trying to kiss. >> exactly. >> it usually requires an exclusive cute deal that i will do something for you that will offend other people. let me whisper it when nobody is listening. your thoughts. this is a bipartisan problem. >> these are the donors backing you up. backing up the party. you feel you need to give them something. the mcconnell campaign said this is something he says all the time. this is not his stump speech. this is what he was telling a group of donors that's not just bank rolling mitch mcconnell but all the candidates that would make him the senate majority leader next year. >> this was the koch brothers? >> right. not just americans for prosperity. this was a koch brothers conclave for the whole afp, just universe of koch brothers people that wanted their money's worth. >> the audio always sucks because it means somebody snuck a cell phone in or a bartender. let's look at the bartender. we showed that one already. this is one from catching the democrats. this is the president of the united states in 2008 talking to a bunch of liberals in san francisco telling them we don't have to worry about lower level people who need guns and bibles. >> people have been beaten down so long that they feel so betrayed by government. let's pardon them that they get bitter and cling to guns, religion or antipathy toward people who aren't like them. as a way to explain their frustrations. >> the president lost the pennsylvania primary by nine points. in 1984 colorado senator gary hart was in a tight nomination fight with former vice president walter mondale over california and new jersey when he stepped into it, too, in front of a private audience in california. he described what it was like campaigning apart from his wife. the deal is we campaign separately. the good news is she campaigns in california and i campaign in new jersey. i got to hold a koala bear. mrs. hart said i won't tell you what i got to hold -- samples from a toxic waste dump. hart lost new jersey by over 15 points. they don't like to be called the solid waste types. it must have worked with the community in california. >> you never want to say something you would not say in public. obama would never talk about religious people like that in public. romney would never say that. i think mcconnell got away here because he said he'll block things obama is doing. that's not news. >> it was a total destruction. >> he said something similar to politico, laying out the idea for attaching anti-obama stuff to spending bills. he talked about it already in some ways. i wasn't shocked. >> let me go back. do you know what i think the news is? when talking to the koch brothers they are not interested in a mix of progressive here, but mostly conservative here. they want an end to government because they are in the oil and gas business. all they want is no more taxes and certainly no more environmental regulation. they want no more government. that's what the koch brothers want. >> i think -- go ahead. >> i think what's most significa significant, believe me is the optics of it. what you will do is see these audiotapes super imposed over a picture of mitch mcconnell looking mean. you will see them in october in the run-up. >> it feels like he didn't say anything particularly outlandish. it's not going to look good on an advertisement. >> how would you find a picture of mitch mcconnell looking mean? >> i have no idea. >> you're playing down your own scoop. good work here. perry, thank you. a programming note. allison lundergan grimes will talk to lawrence o'donnell tonight on the last word. her first national interview. don't miss it tonight at 10:00 p.m. eastern. we'll be right back. age? 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>> well -- >> it often does in law. >> well, i think it does as far as they don't want to go any way against guns at all, no matter what. and that's what you described in your opening there. it's sort of a fanaticism and doesn't go to any moderation in anything. you know, it has to be one way or the highway and that's the way the lobby groups see it. they see it as just an idealism fanaticism with no compromise at all. >> what do you make of the no comment, mr. johnson, not even the words, no comment, nothing, just nothing. i mean, this involves guns. you know, uzi, a pretty dangerous weapon, is an automatic weapon. it's light. it's a submachine gun basically. and everybody with it can do a lot of damage. we saw what happened here. a lot of damage, unintended. totally unintended. it was the gun that killed people here. not just the person. >> certainly it's irresponsible on the part of organizations like nra not to speak out. it's, frankly, irresponsible to put an uzi of that capability in the hands of a 9-year-old. for groups like the nra who have been founded upon, you know, gun safety and range and the sport, itself, you know, putting a ruger .22 in the hands, for example, of someone to train them is totally different than putting a gun of that capability in a 9-year-old's hands. totally irresponsible. >> let me ask you, mr. cavanaugh, what would be a restriction that would make sense here? i know everything they see sounds like confiscation to them, the slippery slope. here we are at the other end has become a slippery slope. anything goes. from what you said, it sounds like they don't want to hear that you can have an age requirement, say 18, something reasonable about being able to handle an automatic weapon. that would be pretty liberal. they don't even want to see that at these gun ranges. >> right. i don't think you're going to see any lobby groups get in the press for any change here. they're going to stay out of the fray. it would generally be up to the sta states, chris, if there were any laws that talked about ages a gun ranges, and likely states that would pass the law don't need the law. and the states that need the law won't pass the law. and it's unlikely that we're going to have any change on the hill, and probably federal law wouldn't be the right place to address ages on guns anyway. so i'd say we're not going to have any legislative change, although it would probably be good if little children were, couldn't do that, but the children need protection immediately. that's where common sense comes in. that's where range operators have to say we're not going to do this anymore. we've had two deaths, they shouldn't be shooting these kinds of guns. they're submachine guns for the military, for the police, for trained people that collect them, certainly we understand that. in the citizens hands that have a permit for it. but not for children. it's not disneyland. you don't need to go out there shooting those kinds of weapons. >> chief johnson, seems to me even a fire hose had a kick to it. you need a couple serious firefighters to know how to handle one. an automatic weapon like this, what kind of kick does it have? what kind of sense would anybody have -- i don't want to speak over the dead. this guy's dead. the idea of putting something like that in the hands of a skinny little girl. a 9-year-old girl. doesn't make any sense at all to anybody, right wing, left wing, down the middle. i don't get it. >> well, certainly common sense should have been applied here, and the muscular development of a child of that age certainly is not to the point to handle that weapon. look, as a nation, we implement all sorts of different rules, policies, and laws in some cases to safeguard children and others. have to be a certain height to ride an amusement ride park. require bike helmets. but yet we won't tackle an issue like this. certainly here i think common sense should have prevailed. you know, we pass common sense laws in this nation. we're seeking common sense gun laws like a national background check. but in this case, you know, i don't care what type of rule, policies you may have put in place, or the way the range instructor hovered over the child. there's very little you can do with, you have a kid with that kind of weapon in their hands. that thing's going everywhere. >> here's a crazy law in vermont, which i thought was a pretty liberal state. apparently you can get a gun at 16, you can buy a handgun or a shotgun at 16 but have to be 17 to see an "r" rated movie. interesting how we make these judgments. thank you, jim cavanaugh, thank you jim johnson for joining us. another tragedy. and we'll be right back after this. e freedom of the open road? 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someone in the room is going to have a cell phone or some other piece of electronics and get you on the record and send it out even if, especially if, that's the last thing you want done. how do we know that barack obama talked to the liberals of san francisco about the people who, quote, cling to their guns or religion? because someone had a cell phone and put it out. and we know what he said. how do we know that mitt romney was talking down to the 47% he said lived off the rest of the country? because a bartender record it. don't you love this stuff, when a politician gets caught pandering to one group while putting down the other to have the other group learn what he was saying behind closed doors. it shouldn't surprise us, none of this. why do you think the press out of political fund-raisers? they don't want us or the public to hear what it is they're throwing out when they're throwing out the raw meat.

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"morning joe" starts right now. ♪ >> i was under the impression. i thought bruce said he didn't want his music played at you're vents because he didn't believe in your politics. >> no, you're wrong about that. bruce has never asked me to do that. i saw bruce about a week and a half ago, and he had every opportunity to tell me not to. he didn't and he never has told me not to do it. >> i'm pretty sure -- >> i know him and you're wrong. you're now expressing your politics. you're now expressing your politics and your objection, that's fine. don't put it in mr. springsteen's mouth. put it in yours. if you have an objection to it, you object. you have every right to object to it. i know bruce and i've spoken to bruce and you're wrong. speak your mind. be angry or not, it doesn't matter to me. i have a job to do and i'm going to do my job the best way i know how to do it. if you object to it, that's okay. >> the question -- >> i thought i heard what you have to say. we've got the idea. seriously, when you start off by mischaracterizing. >> i didn't make it up. >> i'm sure you're pretty sure. you have no place else to go with the story except to stick with the story you got. >> how about the story about the disabled. >> if you want to debate, run for governor and i'll debate you. i'm not debating you now. >> that went on and on and on. i kept waiting for it -- >> he's back! >> good morning everyone. it's wednesday, august 20th. welcome to "morning joe." >> that's a good sign because donny is over there that's terrible, he's such a bully. i'm sitting there going he's doing really great. >> okay. onset, we have donny deutsch. >> you thought that was good? >> i thought that was great. >> we'll talk about that in a second. >> you know what i think is great, also. letting mika introduce people without interrupting her. we have a code on this show. >> we do? what's the code? >> don't interrupt. i didn't know about that code seven years in. msnbc political analyst and former chairman of the republican national committee michael steele. in washington, roll call's editor in chief christina bellantoni. good to have you on board as well this morning. also coming up, they did the mugshot of rick perry. >> what a stupid -- >> speaking of governors. >> did he smile? >> he had a nice smile. >> look at him. he's a good looking guy. >> it's not exactly anything -- you know what? he looks good and has every reason to be happy right now. the democrats have over reached. >> from texas to virginia, bob mcdonnell on trial. we'll have report on that as well. >> that is -- that's a tough one. let me ask you about mr. springsteen and mr. christie. what did you think? >> i think the debate might have gone on a little long but i'm used to people going on long. >> maybe that's why i related to it. you kept asking questions and as a reporter, she decided she was going to get into a debate, she had her springsteen information wrong and she started moving on to other questions, and he's right. if they want to hear the reporter, the reporter should hold a town hall meeting. they're there to hear chris christie. was that a reporter or constituent? >> i think it was a town hall -- it was a constituent. >> same with a constituent. sf they want to debate, the constituent can hold her own town hall meeting. i would much rather this happen than having him cowering in the corner going i'm sorry. >> there's somewhere in between. i'm not saying he should cower. he comes across as an obnoxious puj listic bully. i'm looking as a human being, he looks like an unappealing, nasty human being. >> no, he doesn't. he looks like a guy -- >> there's a way to push back and move on. we've seen thousands of politicians say that's unacceptable. next question. >> no disrespect to these two people who i know personally and like personally. but in the age of hillary clinton and jeb bush, a lot of people want to see that. in an age where washington, d.c. is stuck in the mud and everybody has canned responses and nobody shows their real emotions and everything you say is market tested and poll driven, that breaks through, and that's why chris christie worked before, and i think that's why, if the investigations all go -- >> what i said from the get-go, he definitely broke away from the mold. he put himself out there in every way in a very honest way, a way that seemed extremely authentic. >> willie is in jersey -- >> the authentic aspect is what resonates with people. >> it's authentic, but obnoxious. >> i go out to the hamptons in my $100 million mansion every week end, maybe it comes out that way. >> i thought you weren't going to -- >> it's your house. you have to pay it. >> he tortures me weekend and week out in the hamptons and he said i might be out there this weekend, can i come hang? >> we're doing this because sweet little lewis is getting married and having an engagement party. i'm going to stay at gatsby's mansion. is it mick that lives there? >> i'm like mick. i'll go there and watch you do all this profane stuff and sit there. then i go back -- >> he'll be in awe. >> i go back to the west end. >> you should see the green light. >> and joe will be dancing. >> really quickly, you're a jersey boy. when they want to know what the kids are thinking on the streets of jersey, they ask willie geist. what do you think? >> it's an odd topic, whether or not bruce springsteen likes you. i don't think it's as unanimously good as you might think it is in new jersey. i've talked to people, they like the honesty, they like that kind of stuff. beneath that stuff, when they look at some of the other things he does, they doesn't always love it. the numbers are good for a guy who has been through a scandal, whether you think it's a big deal or not. i think what's important, if he has big aspirations is whether or not that plays outside of new jersey. >> we've got a lot of news to cover. isis continues to be a dark cloud that covers the middle east. i can't even show the front of the "new york post." but "the daily news" has a shot of -- they are absolute savages. i don't know what they think they're proving, but all they're doing is, they're just setting themselves up to be killed, all of them. everybody that acts that way, it never ends well for them when you do that to the united states. it just doesn't. it's not jingoism. where is osama bin laden now? i hope he enjoyed his day in the son. where is saddam hussein right now? i hope he enjoyed it. it's not going to end well for isis. i will say this again thank you president obama for going against your base. this is a scourge that needs to be wiped out from the middle east. i say that with great trepidation after supporting the gulf war, great trepidation after supporting the first gulf war, like about 70% of americans. that was, we found out later, an optional war. this fight against isis, there's nothing operational about it. they are a scourge that will continue to spread and find its way to america's doorstep. the reason i said we should get out of afghanistan four years ago is because the taliban didn't want to blow up buildings in the united states. these people, they want to kill us all, and if they stay in iraq and they stay -- get in control of an oil field and get money and get weapons, they will come to us and they will kill as many of us as quickly as they can. this is something the president can't ignore. i would like the republicans to salute them for stepping forward and doing what he's done over the past week or two. we can all go back and criticize what he's done -- i think democrats criticize what we republicans have done. and then we get nowhere. >> going against the base is something that some pol politician haves a lot of fear about. so that's commendable for you to say. the big story here in the united states, attorney general eric holder will be in ferguson, missouri, in just a few hours, 11 days after the deadly shooting of an unarmed black teenager by police. tense moments overnight between police and demonstrators after calm for most of the day. peaceful protesters could be heard screaming "not tonight" as water and glass bottle ts were thrown at police. state highway patrol captain ron johnson is hopeful the violence may be declining. >> i think that was made by the clergy, the activists, volunteers, men and women of law enforcement partnered together to make a difference, but also those citizens took heed to what we talked about last night, not allowing criminals to mask themselves in a peaceful protests. they protested early and went home early and allowed us to have a better look at those criminals and and staters roaming the streets for their own agenda. >> captain ron johnson. >> can you show the end of that clip again? i'm just going to say it. >> got to work around the clock because of this. >> you have one african-american police captain and i see white faces back there. >> only 3 out of 50 -- >> it shouldn't be about race. guess what? it's about race. this is about race. i don't know. >> that speaks to the problem that that community has. >> that's the problem in ferguson, exactly. >> let's go to ferguson. nbc news correspondent craig melvin has been on the ground for several days. it's good to see you. we hear a relatively good night last night but we heard that before so we're leery of celebrating that. what is the mood on the ground and what you think now that you've been there for a couple days breaks this and brings the peace. >> that's a good question, willie. everyone seems to be in pretty much universal agreement that the one thing that would probably empty these streets fairly quickly is if there was some sort of indictments, charges brought against that officer. as you know, the grand jury convening about 9:00 this morning to start hearing some evidence, it was very interesting, as you just heard there, 47 arrests last night, no molotov cocktails, no shooting, no teargas used. there was pepper spray used. you can see that in one of the clips played there. but it was calmer. the crowd itself, i can tell you, was smaller last night than it had been. there also seemed to be a shift in police strategy. captain johnson told me earlier in the day that we might see this and we did, in fact, see it last night. in previous nights you saw those officers in riot gear wearing helmets, shields out. shoulder to shoulder. sort of a very offensive position. last night you did not see that. you saw smaller groups of officers and they were mingling, so to speak, in some cases with these smaller groups of protesters as well that once again were being forced to make that lap around the main drag here in ferguson. we also saw those military-style vehicles. in previous nights, they had been right smack in the middle of the street again in sort of an offensive position. nonetheless, an intimidating position. last night those vehicles were not in the middle of the street. they were on the side as well. so there are a number of folks who have said -- said to me last night, that little things like that did, in fact, make a difference. of course, as you know, captain johnson urged the peaceful protesters not to come out last night and do their protesting in the day. by all accounts it looks like a lot of those protesters did just that. >> all right. speaking with msnbc's tamron hall, ferguson mayor james knowles looked to downplay suggestions of racial tensions within the community. take a look. >> there's not a racial divide in the city of ferguson. >> according to who? is that your perspective or do you believe that's the perspective of african-americans in your city? >> that's the perspective of all residents in our city. >> there are people, with all due respect, there are people on air on any network, even if you don't watch this one, who disagree and live there. i'm asking, with all due respect, are you listening to them? >> absolutely. there's 22,000 residents in our community. this has affected about a half mile strip of street in our community. the rest of our community, the rest of the african-americans in our community are going through out their daily lives, going to businesses, walking their dog. >> kind of like saying after 9/11, look at new york. new york is fine. what's wrong with new york. >> that's perfect. >> what are you talking about? nothing has happened in new york. it's a small strip of buildings at the island down there. the guy is clueless right there. >> he is absolutely clueless. for days people have been asking where is the political leadership in this town. they hadn't seen mayors or members of the city council. he comes out and he's clueless. you understand why folks in that community will pissed off right now. >> he looks like he just came back from vacation and has no idea what's going on. there's three out of 53 members of the police force, his police force, right? >> right. >> that are black. >> not only that, mika. out of 53 in a city that's 70% african-american. >> how can you let that happen when you're hiring and trying to figure out a force that represents the community. >> i know how you let that happen. >> you don't think there's a problem. >> then to make matters worse, you say there's not a problem. >> you think because you say it that that means it's the rule of law because you are clueless and you're not self aware. >> i don't know if this guy knows, willie, even the egyptian government is chastising for what's going on in ferguson. if the generals in egypt are criticizing you for your human rights record. >> the ayatollah in iran is tweeting about ferguson, missouri. >> there are things that happened in the moments after this young man was killed that have traumatized that area of town, that whole town. he was left lying in the streets for hours. he was not covered up. and there were children -- there were people so stunned at what they were seeing, they were videotaping it because they didn't know what else to do. they were traumatized that they saw this young man get gunned down and he laid there in the middle of the street, not surrounded, not covered. they didn't put -- they said they didn't want to tamper with the scene. my god, they certainly didn't tamper with the scene. they left the scene there for everyone to see to be traumatized for hours. >> it's the same thing in the trayvon case. the parents weren't even notified that he was in the morgue for a couple of days. again, the game we always play around this set is what if a republican president did this -- and in these cases you have to ask what if it was a white 18-year-old kid shot in the middle of a suburban neighborhood? it's the same questions i asked every day during hurricane katrina. if this has happened in an exclusive suburb of dallas, texas, would the president be looking down from 30,000 feet or walking around shaking hands? it's the same thing here. if this happened in a white neighborhood. >> it continues to stress the black community in particular in these areas that are suddenly thrust into this reality again. for them it's every day. this is an everyday occurrence. this frustration has been going on for a long time. for the mayor to sit there and act like it isn't -- >> craig melvin, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe," how a grand jury investigation into the death of choke hold victim eric garner play out in a staten island courtroom? we'll about to find out. plus -- we deal in the unique, the unusual, barely legal, and we always get the deal. this is barely legal pawn. >> just a few days away from this year's emmy awards, we have this reminder of how brilliant the cast of "breaking bad" was. up next from vice presidential candidate to intellectual leader of the republican party, paul ryan is standing by. >> i thought that was me. >> no, joe, it's paul. >> you took my mantle. i trademark that. >> he still looks like a sweet young man. you know who doesn't look like a sweet young man? bill karins. >> pretty amazetion stuff in arizona. we got trenched. it only happens a couple times every year. the flooding was pretty epic. north of phoenix they picked up about four inches of rain in a short period of time. horses being rescued, running in the water, numerous accidents. and 17 was closed at one point. when it rainses that water goes wherever it wants. that's over and done. the story now is the heat and humidity. the dew points measure how much moisture in the air. this is the most humid and hottest we've been across the country, especially in the southern half. heat warning in st. louis and heat advisories from memphis into southern illinois. how hot will it be? not record shattering, when you add the humidity into this, it will feel like 105 today in st. louis. that continues all week. that's the thing about this. this is going to be a long duration, definitely as we go throughout the weekend and even into next week. look at memphis, tennessee, near 100 all weekend long. the heat is with us and it figures it would arrive at the end of summer. as we go into next week, we could be watching something in the tropics heading for areas like the gulf of mexico. it's going to be a feeling of summer and the tropical season in the week ahead. we leave you with a nice, warm, beautiful shot of the capital in washington, d.c. we'll have more coming up here on "morning joe." you know what he said -- >> that's why i put this on. >> he said they were getting itchy. >> vernon jordan, seriously, every time i see him in the airport, he chases me down. and he's like, son, wear a tie. stop looking like that. >> he would know, joe. >> disgraceful. if i looked as good as vernon jordan every time i put on a coat and tie, i'd wear a coat and tie. >> i assumed when i saw that, that's what you put on when you got out of bed. >> that's a faulty assumes. that's what i wore to bed. >> the night is still continuing. >> with us onset, not only the house budget chairman, but also the guy that puts out the list of the worst dressed man in america, congressman paul ryan. >> of wisconsin. out with "the way forward: renewing the american idea." good to see you. how are you doing? >> doing well. >> how is the family. >> sn. >> great. cross country practice began the other day. all three doing it. the young guy on nye knee, the first year of eligibility. >> who is fastest? >> oh, my daughter. a great hurdler, too. >> were you a runner? >> distance. slow, not fast. >> slow and steady gets it done. >> what were you? >> i was fast and short. on my football team i ran the fastest, like eight yards. out of the gates -- i still surprise my son and his friends, i explode very quickly. after about eight yards, i have to smoke a cigarette. i'm joking kids. daddy doesn't smoke. paul, a lot to talk about here. i want to get to as much as we can. we certainly want to talk about the book. first let's talk about ferguson which sfeeds right into the book. we were having a conversation yesterday about the frustration of covering ferguson and everybody is covering what happened in the past week. these people have been left behind. they've been abandoned. let's try to pass this program, let's try to pass this program and we're not guilty anymore of the lives that they live. they're abandoned. >> isolated. >> i try not to inject my personal policy preferences on to a tragedy. i think just of respect for the brown family, the community, it's important as policymakers to see look what's happening and do what i think should be done. i think it's important not to do that. having said all that, i talk about it in this book and i put out a plan a number of weeks ago, we have got to reengage with the poor in america. we are in the 50th anniversary on the war on poverty and poverty is winning. let's think about how to measure success instead of on input, how many dollars we spend, but helping people out of poverty. >> how do we engage when americans are hearing republicans saying let's cut this program, let's cut that program? >> one of the reasons i wrote this book, if you don't like the governing philosophy prevailing in washington, what would we do differently? i think the country is on the wrong track. a lot of people agree with me. not everybody. here is the kind of governing philosop philosophy, the community agenda and the solutions necessary for renewing the american idea which is basically the condition of your birth doesn't determine the outcome of your life. >> my question is, does that require a slashing of spending for the type of programs that keep a lot of people that we're seeing on tv alive, the food on the table? >> the entire premise of that question presupposes that these programs are great. >> i don't presuppose that. but i know we can't tomorrow pass a budget that's going to cut aid off to the truly disadvantaged. >> you voted for welfare reform in 1996 that did more to reduce child poverty than any reform in the modern era. what i'm saying is let's rethink it like that, take the other welfare programs that have not been reformed and cuz tommize them to a person's individual specific needs so we can work on fighting poverty, soul to soul, eye to eye and back up a community. one of the problems i think of the war on poverty, we've had this federal government intervention that has told the common taxpayer, this is government's responsibility, it's not ours. we've isolated people in our communities. i think we need to reengage that. let's reform the welfare program so that we're getting able-bodied people in the workforce. we talk about high tax rate. the highest arguably is the single mom making $20,000 to $40,000 who ends up making a decision going to work and faces these high marginal tax rates. there's a lot of room for reform. >> congressman, you know the cartoon version of you put out by critics and democrats, all you want to do is cut, cut, cut. you want to throw old people and poor people out on the street. how do you answer that in the context of this conversation? what would you do specifically besides cutting to help disadvantaged people? >> first i'd say read my book, not just a shameless plug. i talk about a different governing philosophy to reconnect people with the american idea who don't think it's there for them in their communities. i've proposed a number of things here, rethinking the way we fight poverty and reintegrating civil society, communities with federal resources to focus on getting able bodied people to work and having a safety net that's resilient for those who can't help themselves. one of the problems in america, we're going bankrupt. we have a debt crisis on the horizon. that puts the safety net in jeopardy. the or problem is we're not having the economic growth and opportunity. a lot of reforms there. with specific focus on poverty, there are people in america who are doing amazing things over coming poverty, helping people do so. i talk about a lot of them in my book. i talk about an agenda that helps fwhak up so we can do more of those things. we need another. >> we have to do lightning round. we brought christina in from washington. >> christina from "roll call?" >> she hates you. for 30 minutes, i'm going to trash him. >> the only reason i'm here. >> we told her to hold back. >> how do you expect the issue will be resolved with the border spending bill? you guys passed something before you left. it's going to be the first issue confronting you when you come back september 8th. you also have talk that there could be a supplemental request coming from the white house. could those two issues end up being merged? >> i think that's quite possible. as you know, the supplemental we carried in our budget was higher than what the administration asked for. i think there will be a reconciliation there. we're waiting to see what the senate will do on the border bill since the house acted to deal with the humanitarian crisis on the border. if there's an additional supplemental request from the white house on iraq, that's something we'll have to deal with basically in a week or so. >> mike? >> to pick up on what you have in your book, let's take the landscape where the republicans take the senate in november. now you have the house and the senate. how do we govern with president obama 2015 to 2016? >> we should define ourselves with our actions and pass the policies we believe and show what we can do if we can get them into law. put some things on president obama's desk to have hick maim decisions. be prudent in trying to get the incremental gains to get things moving. like the budget deal patty murray and i did last year, do something like that again, to get modest down payments on our debt situation. candidly, i don't think we're going to fix these big problems with this president. get things done on an incremental basis and also show what we would do if we could. >> on an incremental basis and not impeaching the president. >> that comes from wackos on the left. this is a -- >> hold on, hold on. here we go. we're going to get this on tape. should the president be impeached? >> no. >> we got it on tape. there we go. we got it on tape. i don't do that with everybody. i agree with you. they'll find one crackpot. out of 435 -- i was always a crackpot with what i had to say thank you, paul. >> sometime in washington in the fall, run around the wall, your kids against mine. i have runners. >> me and willie will do eight-yard sprints. >> the book is "the way forward." congressman paul ryan, thank you so much. up next, guaranteed skol ships -- >> you guys can't say oh, impeach -- he's the intellectual leader of the party. >> very, very smart. smart young man. >> plus the right to target tourists. taking matters into their own hands? the morning papers are next. 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"the washington post," top obama strategist is heading to silicon valley. david plouffe, presidential adviser is joining uber as senior vice president of policy and strategy. the car service is looking to use plouffe's campaign skills to gain entry into more cities, many of which have a powerful taxi lobby and strict regulations through which the company will have to maneuver. >> i thought he was going to be chief of staff? >> he's going into the private sector. the "new york post." dozens of costume characters in new york city's times square held a rally on tuesday. >> oh, good lord. >> to fight for the ability to collect tips from tourists. the rally comes as police -- stop -- police continue to crack down following reports of aggressive -- >> i'm sorry. >> it is kind of funny. >> numerous characters have also been arrested for alleged assault -- >> harassment or groping. why don't we all say that's why they're laughing. you see people put on these dirty outfits and you think they're creeps. >> some of them are nice people. >> but when i saw all those -- i would never let my kids like in the middle of that. >> they're groping? >> it's a little hard, with due respect to take them seriously when minnie mouse is holding a press conference, shaking her fist at the cameras. charlottesville daily progress a stoner in unionville, new jersey, has been arrested for allegedly selling weed. his name, paul scott stoner. mr. stoner was growing marijuana and selling it to minors. >> you can't do that. >> charged with manufacturing weed and possession of a firearm. further charges are still pending. >> i didn't understand when you said stoner was arrested for selling weed. okay. still ahead, congress may be in recess, but we now know how one of the senate's most respected members sends his downtime. >> senator mccain getting loose. >> that's not mccain. are you kidding me? ♪ i think she tried to kill us. no, it's only 15 calories. with reddi wip, fruit never sounded more delicious, with 15 calories per serving and real cream, the sound of reddi wip is the sound of joy. nobody ever stomped their foot and asked for less. there's a reason it's called an "all you can eat" buffet... and not a "have just a little" buffet. because what we all really want is more. now get our best ever pricing with the more everything plan. 1 gb of bonus data per month per line. verizon smart rewards to rack up points for the things you really want. and 50% off all new smartphones, like the htc one m8 for windows & android. built to inspire envy. come get your more with verizon. 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why i'll probably end up shedding a tear is because this is the last time i'm going to end up coaching you guys. but i'm going to bring back with me and the coaching staff and you guys will bring back something that no other team can provide but you guys, that's pride, pride. >> i love the smile. pride, we got each other. what a great message. >> i'm going to cry. all right. that was beautiful. the next hour of "morning joe" starts right now. when i was a u.s. attorney privately to our staff, i hear a politician make some comments about a case they thought we were working on or whatever, i'd say i hate when these guys that don't know anything act like they know everything. now that i'm in public office, i don't want to be guilty of the same thing i used to criticize them for. until i know more, i'll give the police the benefit of the doubt here in new jersey and as for missouri, let's let those guys work it out an learn whatever lessons we need to learn from what happened when we get all the facts. >> welcome back to "morning joe." donny deutsch, michael steele with us. >> an ominous view of new york city with the national in the background, look at that. >> we have political columnist for "time" magazine -- >> i would love a picture of that. >> joe klein joins us today. >> we're so blessed actually to be here every morning. jo klein, good to have you. in washington, chief white house correspondent for "the new york times" peter baker and president of the benard center for women politics and public policy michelle bernard joins us as well. good to have you on the show this morning. >> good morning. >> a lot to get to. attorney general eric holder will be in ferguson, missouri, in just a few hours. 11 days after the deadly shooting of an unarmed black teenager by police. there were tense moments again overnight between police and demonstrators after palm for most of the day. peaceful protesters could be heard screaming "not tonight" as water and glass bottles were thrown at police. 47 people were arrested. state highway patrol captain ron johnson is hopeful the violence may be declining. >> i think that turning point was made by the clergy, the activists, the volunteers, the men and women of law enforcement who partnered together to make a difference. also those citizens took heed to what we talked about last night, not allowing criminals to mask themselves in a peaceful protests. they protested early and went home early and allowed a better visual, a look at those criminals and and staters roaming the streets for their own agenda. >> earlier in the day there was another police-involved shooting just two miles from ferguson. st. louis, police, shot and killed a man armed with a knife. just hours before his visit, attorney general holder is making a pledge to the residents of ferguson in an open letter he vows there will be a full, fair and independent investigation meanwhile a funeral will be held for 18-year-old michael brown whose death earlier led to the widespread protests. mayor james knowles had a heated back and forth with msnbc's tamron hall over whether there is a racial divide in ferguson. >> there's not a racial divide in ferguson. >> is that your perspective or do you believe that's the perspective of african-americans in your community? >> that is a perspective of all residents in our city, absolutely. >> have you been watching the news? please w all due respect, there are people on air, on any net work even if you don't watch this one who disagree who live there. with all due respect, are you listening to them? >> absolutely. there's 22,000 residents in our community. this has affected about a half-mile strip of street in our community. the rest of our community, the rest of the african-americans in our community are going about their daily lives, going to our businesses, walking their dog, going to our neighborhood watch meetings. >> that's like saying after 9/11, the upper side the restaurant is really good this time of year. >> put him on a milk car tochb. >> you understand why ferguson is having the problems it's having on the police force. it has 50 white officers and three african-americans and a mayor who says there's no racial problems in ferguson. >> are you kidding me? >> it's as if the community were cry logically frozen in the era before the voting rights act passed. this is a melanin-deprived government in a 60% black town. the lack of political leadership throughout, including the governor jay nixon, has been just appalling. where has he been? why haven't there been town meeting there is to talk about this? >> leadership is such an x factor. you go down the list. i was talking to my former chief of staff during katrina. he said you know what? this is what happens when politics gets into checking the box. are they pro life or pro choice? are they for guns or against guns? then you get to the x factor of leadership. i talk about jeb because i saw him up close. i've never seen anyone take command more powerfully but also with a light touch when he needed it. bill clinton, obviously, a guy you kronkaled has the x factor of leadership in times of crisis. it's missing here. >> on all sides. >> all levels. there isn't the quality of black leadership that the country used to have. >> let's go to peter baker here, your front page article in "the new york times" today. obviously a vacuum at local leadership. eric holder stepping in. fascinating piece on the differences between these two men, eric holder, a son of the civil rights movement. barack obama, obviously much more complicated background which doesn't connect him quite as viscerally as eric holder. talk about the two men who share the same vision but have different approaches and at the end of the day will have a big impact on what happens in ferguson. >> you do see these two men, the first african-american president, the first african-american attorney general. they share a vision but approach from different points of view. sometimes you hear disappointment on the part of some of president obama's supporters, that he's not more outspoken on issues like this, that he's not as assertive as attorney general holder seems to be. the backgrounds, where they come from, what their personal experiences are, and the roles they play. president obama is not a very -- he's a reserved person to begin with. he wants to find a balance, be the president for all people. he doesn't want to influence a case that's very active. they make a distinction between this and his personal comments after the trayvon martin case which came after the courts had already acted. in this case he's holding back trying to calm a situation without inflaming it, whereas attorney general holder will be on the ground today in ferguson personally taking charge of the investigation there to some extent. >> michelle, it's donny. let's say you're the czar put in charge of turning this thing around and you have a playbook at this point going forward. what happens to not put this behind us, but to take this and elevate it and put it on the right track? >> sf i were running this, one of the things i would do quite frankly is appeal to the president. i understand his role. he's in a very difficult situation. we know he's being briefed daily. he is intimately aware of what's happening. i think this is one of those times where we need leadership from the absolute very top of the nation. one of the best speeches i believe president obama ever gave was when he spoke with then senator obama right after the whole controversy with reverend wright. he talked about things happening in the black community and black people themselves being responsible for our lives. when we talk about the racial divide that we're seeing, i'll tell you, i have seen some of the nastiest hate mail i have ever seen in my entire life in dealing with public policy issues, and the divide is so clear. we need someone like the president to come in and say, look, as a member of the african-american community, i understand what ills the community and what we need to do, ourselves as a community to take responsibility for our lives. however that doesn't mean that the government can be a co-conspirator in what looks like the execution of a young black men. the lives of black males are just as valuable and just as important as others. >> mukal, we talked earlier. it's so important we come together. i was wondering, the trayvon case. i caught a lot of you know what, a lot of crap for talking about how offensive it was things that went on down there: i see for the first time a break in the dam of republican silence. i'm not saying republicans are racist or insensitive. my party, though, usually shuts up when things like this happen. rand paul come out and say there are two americas when it comes to justice. he's exactly right. you have erick erickson, another conservative guy, a good friend of mine saying, hey, guys, we really shouldn't wait for this to happen to a white kid before we get offended. let's get offended now. even ted cruz talked about the heavy handedness of it. that's to me a really good sign. if we're going to have a real conversation about race, we need both sides engaged in this. >> you do need both sides engaged and to take it out of the realm of the political. at the end of the day, this is how white america views black america and how black america responds to that. that's the conversation we're not having. we dance around it. we gloss over it and say we're in a post racial america because we have a black president in the white house, a black attorney general. at the end of the day, young black males are being arrested, killed and harassed in their communities. >> as the economy suffers, it gets worse. >> combination of the criminal justice system, the economy, all these factors playing out in these communities. the problem is we're not addressing them. it builds up like any pressure system. it's important to hear rand paul on the right and folks on the left talk about this or begin to break this open. at the end of the day, if we don't deal with it, it festers -- >> i want to come from the left f from an unexpected point of view. obviously this is a tragedy. i want to liken this to a medical situation, where on a daily basis there are tens of thousands of operations going on in this country, life and death. sometimes there's malpractice, the doctor screws up. before we talk about black america, white america and this tremendous divide, isn't there just basically an ar rith mattic certainty that out of hundreds of thousands of daily interactions between law enforcement and suspects, whatever you want to -- that this is going to -- >> donny, i know where you're going, donny. here is the deal. we have made great, great -- over the past 50, 60 years we've made great strides. but in this area, the criminal justice system. if your kid gets busted for weed, african-american kid gets busted for weed. your kid is off. the african-american, he could be in jail for five -- there is an uneven application of crime and punishment in america based on the color of skin. right wing bloggers, you can be pissed off with me if you want to, it's just numbers it really is. you can look numerically joe klein at the numbers and black males, they're so much worse in the system. and this, even if we don't look at who has the money, to have the lawyers. >> you've got to look at reality, too. this is a very complicated situation. first of all, there are two competing stories about what actually happened. part of the problem we have in having a conversation about this in this country -- i've done a lot of reporting in neighborhoods like this when african-americans look in a situation, they see a metaphoric truth of 400 years of white people vamping on blacks. but that's not good enough you also have to look at the facts of the case. >> by the way, i said that. i'm not even talking about this case. i'm talking about in general, the criminal justice system -- >> in general, blacks represent 13% of the population and 50% of the people convicted for murder. 90% of blacks who are killed are killed by other blacks. this is a cultural problem in that community which may well have roots in all of the historic crap we've laid on t m them, but it las to be expressed with a certain amount of subtlety and complexity. >> joe, i just wanted to add quickly. when we talk about problems within the african-american community and talk about criminal justice, i think we have to talk about prescriptions, i think the most important prescription everyone needs to be having at the national level is education. african-americans and other people who find themselves ignored and living in low income neighborhoods are almost relegated to being a permanent underclass because your education is based on zip code. we all know that you escape poverty with a good education. if you can't get a good education, we're going to continue to see what we're seeing in ferguson and we're going to continue to see some people in the commit community believe that black people are lesser. >> that's why a lot of us around this table, i will put politics into it, are offended when poor african-american children in harlem are not allowed to have the same choices on what school they want to go to as rich white people. >> that's right. >> by the way, when you stand -- i will say this. when you stand in the doorway of allowing a poor african-american child in harlem to be able to go to a good school for political purposes -- >> a charter school. >> a charter school. >> a public charter school, you are no better than george wallace standing in the door of the university of alabama and not letting african-americans go in -- >> the kids in the charter schools in harlem are scoring the same on aptitude tests as the rich kids in westchester county. >> with all their tutors. >> exactly. >> joe klein, thank you so much. michelle bernard, thank you as well. peter stay with us. we have other stories to get to you on. still ahead on moenl "morning joe," the two sides of maureen mcdomd as told by the other maureen mcdonnell, bob mcdonnell's sister. they share the same name as his wife testifies in the couple's corruption trial. we have all the details. we'll also get the latest from alaska's important senate primary, the republican primary there. up next, #ferguson, how twitter played a major role in thrusting the missouri story into the national spotlight. "the new york times" david carr joins us with how social media is break news in a new and compelling way. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. who's more excited about back to school savings at staples? the moms? or the dads? with guaranteed low prices on sharpies, it's definitely the dads. staples. make more happen for less. dovisit tripadvisor new york. with millions of reviews, tripadvisor makes any destination better. u.s. intelligence officials are analyzing a video that appears to show islamic militants murdering an american journalist. it appears to show them be heading james foley. the militants say it is retaliation for u.s. air strikes against isis in iraq. they are threatening to to kill another journalist held captive there. >> peter baker, i goes most americans are waking up this morning and seeing the -- i'll say it, the sheer evil in isis, a lot of these militants. i think it's been fascinating what's been happening with the white house over the past several days. the president saying it's a humanitarian mission and then we announce that we're going to help the kurds. then he announces he's going to bomb. it continues to grow. it continues to expand. is there an increasing understanding inside the white house of just how dangerous isis is, not only that region but to the world? >> well, i think if they didn't know before, certainly that video yesterday reinforced it. it was grisly. it's brutal. assuming it's verified by the intelligence agencies, it's a great tragedy for the family of james foley who only went there to record what was happening and tell people around the world. obviously this is a white house that doesn't want to find itself in mission creep. it doesn't want to get dragged back into a war that's not, in their view, america's. there a sense that isis representing a greater threat than we've seen in a while. with this new government in bagdad, designated prime minister abadie, their hope is they can work with the government in the way they haven't been able to with maliki's government before, to counter the isis threat. you do see a little more robust action on the part of the americans beyond simply the immediate humanitarian crisis we were talking about in mount sinjar last week. >> peter baker, thank you very much. here with us now, david carr who wrote over the weekend about social media's role in the ferguson story. he wrote in part this, the web crackled with one story and one story only. it wasn't long before cable news made adjustments and a huge story, a militarized response to a mostly non-violent exercise in free speech took center stage. for that you can thank twitter which is often derided as a platform for realities, but has become much more than that in the age of always-on information. nothing good was happening in ferguson until it became a hash tag. >> david carr, thank you for being here. we always love having you on. we've heard stories going back to 2004 in ukraine, the orange revolution, about how texting got people together and now we're hearing it happening, i guess iran 2009. what happened here in ferguson, when that hash tag got in front of ferguson, you say the bag things that were happening at least started to slow down a bit. >> i think part of the reason it was a big story on twitter is the people were trying to do their job, as we do, with cameras and crews who were getting pushed out. it fell on the people with phones in their hand to make it happen. it's a story -- it's a deep and complicated story, right? when you see people in militarized clothing pointing sniper rifles at american civilians, that's really all you sort of need to know about what's going on in terms of how big of a deal it is, right? that's why twitter was a good place for it. >> talk about how social media in general has grown over the past -- for things like this, where it actually bends the arc of the story. >> i think what happens is, when you look at twitter, there's people represented on twitter that aren't represented in your average network audience. twitter index is in the black community in the way that mainstream television doesn't, so it offers a visibility and window into that community. the other thing is it has a bias toward media. we're all, of course, talking to each other and sending notes to each other. that thunder dome, that echo tends to making stories mushroom very, very quickly. >> there's always an underbelly with every technology. the way traditional media uses twitter almost defeats democratization of it. you read "the post" they highlight six tweets. they may not be representative. there's an irony that there's still this basically hom mojization or certainly editing. >> we thought there would be a thousand flowers, but it's still the same oak trees standing there. i think a lot of other media tends to take a redakive approach to twitter. on wednesday night i know you and probably joe, mika, you just sat there and watched the waterfall come in. news is these days a list oftentimes. people talk about watching things on twitter because things were moving so quickly. a lot of it was carrying images. it was the best place to see what was going on. yes in the morning there was a distill asian of it and people have applied editorial practices to it. but in realtime it was quite something to behold. >> and different emotions and points of view fell into that waterfall in a way that in the mainstream media sometimes you get more of a canned look. >> it's weird, isn't it, that some something 140 characters and it can have that much emotional content. >> david carr, thank you so much. >> i love david carr. >> you can read his latest peeft on new yorktimes.com. coming up, mark begich finally has an opponent to face off. >> is it that joe miller guy? 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>> they did everything they could do to put themselves in a position to win back the senate. it doesn't mean they'll win the senate. >> is this another tea party loss? would this be considered a tea party loss? why am i asking you. >> kasie hunt is here. >> so is this another -- would this be considered by the alaskan tea party as another loss for the tea party? >> in some ways, yes. in some ways this has just become a very, very personal thing for joe miller. it's a little bit about the tea party and a lot about the fact that he felt completely abandoned by republicans who backed murkowski when he won the nomination. >> thhe personally knows karl re which is why his group has gone so much into him. he worked for condi rice at the state department. they got so into him because they were worried about a joe miller -- >> can you queue up the theme song for "the empire strikes." astounding what the republican establishment has done this year. i don't know what's going to happen in the senate, but in the republican party, they have owned this election cycle. >> just by not being stupid. they basically got engaged, figure out who is the most electable candidate. spent money early, were really aggressive. >> you act as if just not being stupid is not a huge achievement for our republican party. we would be walking around in pajamas and slippers in renault. >> stupid in 2010 and got it right in 2012. the iowa camp explained that. the question i have about the fall, in this process, in this march of the empire striking back, joe, do you see that base staying with the party? have they come with the conclusion it is better to win with as opposed to win with principle? >> you understand this better than anyone because of the positions you've had. it's not like these guys are squishy moderates. they're really, really conservative people. better at getting really conservative people that can be backed by the establishment. we're not talking about the rise of moderates. talking about the rise of super, duper -- >> two other stories. governor rick perry is speaking out after spending time at an austin courthouse where he was booked on a pair of felony corruption charges. >> i'm going to fight this injustice with every fiber of my being and we will prevail. the actions that i took were lawful, they were legal and they were proper. this indictment is fundamentally a political act that seeks to achieve at the courthouse what could not be achieved at the ballot box. >> i'll tell you what, unless there's something -- by the way, that is a good looking man. i'm serious. i could pay annie liebowitz to take my picture and rick perry's courthouse shot is better than mine. >> on the cover of "time" magazine. >> it's great stuff. jim vandehei, unless i'm missing something, this is one of the greatest abuses of power on the national level i have seen. this is -- >> not on rick perry's part. >> not on rick perry's part. this office in austin, texas, that does this. they did it to tom delay and now doing it to rick perry. tom delay i don't know. that shag carpet is deep. i don't know what's in that shag carpet. but kay bailey hutchison, that was a scam. this rick perry indictment is a scam. as i said before, ronald reagan, according to the prosecutor in austin, texas, ronald reagan throwing the budget down and say if you -- i will veto this bill. that's like a criminal offense. can i ask who is going to indict this guy who is indicting other people for political reasons? who is going to investigate this? this is a runaway beer truck in the austin prosecutor's office. it's disgraceful in my opinion. >> when you have "the new york times" editorial board going to the defense of rick perry, you know something is up. it makes perry bigger when i don't think he's a legitimate contender for 2016. he gets way too much coverage, more than he deserves. there's parts of his campaign last time around that were really laughable. >> i think he's a lot better this year than he was -- >> you already have republicans saying john mccain saying this indictment is going to help rick perry because it's going to motivate people who are angry because they think he's politically targeted. >> the strategy is so interesting. they decided he's going to take this head on. >> mika, what's really troubling is the fact, we talked to paul ryan about impeachment. some republicans talk about impeaching barack obama, a small number, but they're stupid when they do. that's taking politics to a bad level. the next level would be, you know, this, where you're actually talking about putting somebody in jail for up to 99 years for not a veto, for a public veto threat. you talk about a kangaroo court in austin, texas, this is disgraceful. >> nobody enjoys a mugshot more than this guy, rick perry. when you take a look at that picture, keep in mind he really did enjoy it. right after the mugshot he went and got ice cream. not joking. >> good for him. good for him. listen, we have been around this table, mika, and we have been tougher on rick perry around this table than probably anybody in american media. >> i'm guilty. very tough. >> the very mention of my name, there were news reports made his wife gasp. >> very upset with you. >> no, she's not. we're okay now. but this is a disgray. this comes from a guy that beat him up more than anybody else three years ago. i hope it helps him. >> all right. speaking of 2016, hillary clinton heads to iowa to speak at the annual state fry next month. >> what is a steak fry? do they fry their steaks? >> lots of butter. >> i'm sure it's delicious. >> i love butter and it's good for you, too. >> i'm sure if i went to a steak fry, i wouldn't have done so without serious damage. >> i don't grill a lot, there's a lot of butter. >> okay. stop. the event is becoming a must-visit for democratic presidential hopefuls. hillary heads to the caucus state in a weaker position. derrick hits has the numbers in the mojo poling place. >> some political pundits continue to act as if hillary clinton is a lock as our next commander in chief should she decide to run, a look at the polls shows her image has significantly been damaged since leaving the state department. whether the change in numbers were different by comments that she and bill were dead broke after leaving the white house or that she's racked up millions in speaking fees or something in between. one thing is certain, every major national poll show america's views of hillary clinton heading in the wrong direction. the nbc "wall street journal" shows a net negative 24-point swing in voters' positive to negative view of her. with quinnipiac showing a similar swing of 22 points in the wrong direction. cnn, orc, 17 points and gallop, 14: of the likely 2016 presidential campaigns, hillary clinton's remains the most promisi promising. if there's one thing these trends remind us, there's no such thing as a sure thing in politics. guys, back to you. >> thank you, derrick. she could afford to lose 24 points. >> she cannot afford to lose another 24, that's correct. >> are you surprised at how badly she's managed the past three months during the book tour? 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>> i think maureen mcdonnell is a bit unstable, and i think -- >> a bit. >> a bit unstable, a bit manipulative, a bit deceptive. she initiated most of this, most of the bad stuff that they're in trouble for, but i think that bob mcdonnell went along with a lot of it based on the evidence that we know by the end, and that's why he's in trouble. the strategy clearly of the defense is to demonize maureen mcdonnell, the first lady, using, in part, the testimony of maureen mcdonnell, the governor's sister and basically put it all on her and portrayed bob mcdonnell as innocent, honest guy trying to do the right thing and the wife was doing all this stuff behind his back. a fair amount of it was done behind his back, but we know for sure that he was involved in some of the negotiations over the loans, and that certainly he knew about the vacations that he went on that johnny williams, the businessman, paid for. >> the parts he did know about, his wife being interested in leaving and having an affair with johnny williams. >> this is boys behaving badly. the governor of virginia behaving badly, johnny williams behaving badly. this is woman versus woman now. do you think johnny williams was adopting them because he wanted to? he was buying access. >> i don't see that the governor was an active participant? >> when he held up the row lex and smiled at the camera? this is from my husband that i got for my 40th birthday. when the governor held up his rolex -- i don't know. let's get back to the case at hand here. bob, let me ask you, though, as we talk about this, let's talk about the watch, the daughter's wedding. the governor had to know that there were funds coming in from johnny williams. they were using this guy like an atm machine and there was no real deal on the back end to pay it back. >> the governor definitely knew about the $15,000 to pay for the catering for his daughter's wedding. now, the defense argument is that that was a gift to the kid -- a gift to the young happy couple and not to the governor. but the governor was very much involved with it. the checks actually went -- at least one of the checks went to maureen, maureen the first lady, not maureen the sister. there's some confusion about whether he knew, bob mcdonnell knew that the money for the rolex came from johnny williams, senior. >> real quickly, a very important point to clear up. we said from the very beginning, it looks sleazy. it's legal in the state of virginia. as far as the federal charges go, does it have to be a quid pro quo that's proven? >> yes. you have to prove -- when bob mcdonnell took the money from johnny williams, that he had the intent to do something for him, to do something for johnny williams, and they did do stuff for johnny williams, senior. there's a question about whether they did more than they normally would have done for any businessman who was trying to promote his products in virginia. >> let me say, mika, that is a high, high bar ha the prosecutor has to meet. in there, i don't know how the prosecutor will meet that. >> but that intent for pay back, because if they had a payment schedule to pay back those loans works that set the dynamic up properly to prove that the governor had intent to pay him back and was not going give some favor for the cash? >> again, this just blows my mind that anybody would do this, but as far as virginia law goes, they don't have to pay back. they have to prove that quid pro quo. you helped my daughter so in return i'm going to help you get your vitamins or whatever. and i just think it's getting murkier and murkier. it's going to be very hard for the prosecutor. at the end of the day, bob mcdonnell is broke because of it. we'll tell you about the time julia louis-dreyfus walked into a pawn shop to find the stars of "breaking bad." and things are getting hollyweird. that's ahead on "morning joe." t. and "minus" our expenses. perfect timing. we're offering our best-ever pricing on mobile plans for business. run the numbers on that. well, unlimited talk and text, and ten gigs of data for the five of you would be... one-seventy-five a month. good calculating kyle. good job kyle. you just made partner. our best-ever pricing on mobile share value plans for business. now with a $100 bill credit for every business line you add. hey pal? 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>> he takes a good mug shot. >> he had a nice smile. >> look at him. he's a didngood-looking guy. >> all right. >> let me ask you about mr. springsteen and mr. christie. what did you think? >> i think the debate might have gone on a little long but i'm used to people who go on long. it's no problem. >> maybe that's why i related to him so well. but she kept asking questions and as a reporter, she decided she was going to get into a debate. she had her springsteen information wrong. then she started moving on to other questions and he's right. if they want to hear the reporter, then the reporter should hold a town hall meeting and we'll see how many people go to that town hall meeting. they're there to hear chris christ christie. was that a reporter or constituent? >> i think it was a constituent. >> same with the constituent. if they want a debate, the constituent can hold her own town hall meeting. >> yeah. >> listen, i would much rather this happen than have them cowering in the corner. >> but there's something in between. he just comes across as an obnoxious pugilistic bully. >> you know what he looks like -- >> there's a way to push back and move on. we've seen thousands of politicians say that's not acceptable, next question. >> i've got to say no disrespect to these two people who i know personally and like personally, but in the age of hillary clinton and jeb bush, a lot of people want to see this. in an age where washington, d.c., is stuck in the mud and everybody has canned responses and nobody shows their real emotions and everything you say is market tested and poll driven, that breaks through. and that's why chris christie worked before and i think that's why if the investigations all go all right for him, i think that's -- >> i think that's why we liked him from the get-go is that he definitely broke away from the mold. kind of put a real -- and not all of it was pretty but he put himself out there in every way, in a very honest way, in a way that seemed authentic. >> willie is -- >> the authentic aspect is what resonates with people. >> but we want to get to the left wing, i'd go out to the hamptons in my $100 million mansion kind of guy, maybe that's not appealing. >> i thought you wanted to come out? >> i am! >> it's your house, you've got to pat. i can ride in your wake. >> he tortures me wake in and week out about the hamptons. then hey, man, i'm going to be out there this weekend. >> you know why we're doing this because sweet little louis is getting married -- >> i'm going to stay at gatsby's mansion. but is it mick that lives in the side house? i'm like mick. i'll go there and watch you do all of this profane stuff and just sit there. and then i go back to my shack. >> you'll be in awe. >> you should see the green light. it's like a disco strobe. >> and joe will be dancing. >> techno music. >> going like this. >> it's not what gatsby looked like at the end of the buchanans. doc, you're a jersey boy. when they want to know what kids are thinking on the streets of new jersey, they ask willie geist. what do you think? >> first of all, i think it's an odd topic to have a public debate about. whether or not bruce springsteen likes you. to pick that fight is weird. i don't think it's as unanimously good as you think it is in new jersey. if you talk to people, they like the honesty and that kind of stuff, but when they look at some of the other things he does, they don't always love it. but that said, his numbers are pretty good for a guy who's been through a scandal, whether you think it's a big deal or not. i think what's important is whether or not that plays outside new jersey. >> i can't even -- we've got a lot of news to cover. isis continues to just be a dark cloud that covers the middle east. i can't even show -- >> please don't. >> i can't even show the front of "the new york post," but "the daily news" has a shot of just these -- they are absolute savages. i don't know what they think they're proving, but all they're doing is they're just -- they're just setting themselves up to be killed, all of them. i mean you know what, everybody that acts that way, it never ends well for them when you do that to the united states. it just doesn't. you can ask. where's osama bin laden right now? i hope he enjoyed his day in the sun. where's saddam hussein right now? i hope he enjoyed it. it never ends well. it's not going to end well for isis. and you know what, i will say this again, thank you, president obama, for going against your base. this is a scourge that needs to be wiped out of the middle east. i say that with great trepidation after supporting the first gulf war, like about 70% of americans. that was, we found out later, an optional war. this, this fight against isis, there's nothing option a.m. about it. >> there's no option. >> because they are a scourge that will continue to spread and they will find their way to america's doorstep. the reason i said we should get out of afghanistan four years ago is because the taliban didn't want to blow up buildings in the united states. these people, they want to kill us all. and if they stay in iraq and they get in control of oil field and they get money and they get weapons, they will come to us and kill as many of us as quickly as they can. this is something that the president can't ignore and i would like the republicans to salute him for stepping forward and doing what he's done over the past week or two. we can all go back and criticize what he's done and then democrats can criticize what we republicans have done and we get nowhere. >> and i think going against the base is something that some politicians have a lot of fear about, and so that's commendable for you to say. all right, the big story here in the united states, attorney general eric holder will be in ferguson, missouri, 11 days after the shooting of a black teenager. there were tense moments overnight after calm for most of the day. peaceful protesters could be heard screaming not tonight, as water and glass bottles were thrown at police. 47 people were arrested, but state highway patrol captain ron johnson is hopeful the violence may be declining. >> i think that turning point was made by the clergy, the activists, the volunteers and the men and women of law enforcement partner together to make a difference. but also those citizens who took heed to what we talked about last night, not allowing criminals to mass themselves in a peaceful protest. they protested early and went home early and allowed us a better visual look of those criminals and agitators that are roaming the streets for their own agenda. >> can you say the end of that clip again. >> he's got to work around the clock. >> you've got one african-american, police captain, i see white faces back there. >> only three out of 53 officers. >> i know. i'm just saying now, again, it shouldn't be about race but guess what, it's about race. this is about race. i may be -- i just -- i don't know. >> but that speaks to the problem that that community has. >> the problem in ferguson, exactly. >> all right. let's go to ferguson. nbc news correspondent craig melvin has been on the ground for several days now. craig, good morning. it's good to see you. we hear, i guess, a relatively good night last night but we've heard that before so we're a little leery of celebrating that. what is the mood on the ground there and what do you think now that you've been there a couple of days breaks this and gets people out of the streets and brings the peace? >> reporter: you know, that's a good question, willie. everyone seems to be in pretty much universal agreement that the one thing that would probably empty these streets fairly quickly is if there was some sort of indictment, some charges brought against that officer. of course as you know the grand jury convening at 9:00 this morning to start hearing some evidence. it was very interesting, as you just heard there. 47 arrests last night, no molotov cocktails, no shooting, no tear gas used. there was some pepper spray used. i think you could see that in one of the clips played there, but it was calmer. the crowd itself, i can tell you, was smaller last night than it had been. there was also -- there also seemed to be a shift in police strategy. captain johnson told me earlier in the day that we might see this and we did in fact see it last night. in previous nights you saw those officers in riot gear wearing helmets, shields out, shoulder to shoulder, short of a very offensive position. last night you did not see that, you saw smaller groups of officers and they were mingering with these smaller groups of protesters that were being forced to make that lap around the main drag here in ferguson. we also saw those military-style vehicles. in previous nights they had been right smack in the middle of the street in sort of an offensive position. they would say a defensive position, but nonetheless an intimidating position. last night those vehicles were not in the middle of the street, they were on the side as well. so there are a number of folks who have said to me last night that little things like that did in fact make a difference. of course as you know captain johnson urged the peaceful protesters not to come out last night, to do their protesting in the day. and by all accounts it looks like a lot of those protesters did just that. >> all right. speaking with msnbc's tamron hall, ferguson mayor james knowles looked to downplay suggestions of racial tension within the community. take a look. >> there is not a racial divide in the city of ferguson. >> according to who? is that your perspective or do you believe that is the perspective of african-americans in your community? >> that is the perspective of all residents in our city, absolutely. >> have you been watching the news? because there are people, sir, and please with all due respect, there are people on air on any network, even if you don't watch this one, who disagree who love there. so i'm asking, and again with all due respect, are you listening to them? >> absolutely. there's 22,000 residents in our community. this has affected about a half mile strip of street in our community. the rest of our community, the rest of the african-americans in our community are going about their daily lives, going to our businesses, walking their dog, going to our neighborhood watch meetings. >> that's kind of saying like 9/11 taking cameras to the upper east side or the upper west side. look at new york, new york is fine. what's wrong with new york? >> my god, that's perfect. yes. >> what are you talking about? it's just a small group of buildings down at the tip of the island. the guy is clueless right there. >> for days -- he is absolutely clueless. for days people have been asking where is the political leadership because they hadn't seen the mayor and heard members of the city council. he comes out on air and says that? not only is he clueless, he's not credible. you understand more fundamentally why folks in that community are pissed off right now because he's totally out of touch with what's going on. >> he looks like he just came back from vacation and has no idea what's going on. there's three out of 53 members of the police force, his police force, right, that are black. >> not only that, mika, out of 53 in a city that's 70% african-american. >> how do you let that happen when you're hiring and you're trying to figure out a force that really represents the community? >> i know how you let that happen. you're racially insensitive and that creates a racial divide. >> and you don't think there's a problem. >> and then to make matters worse, you say there's not a problem. >> right. and you think because you say it that that means it's the rule of law because you are clueless. >> that's right. >> and you're not self aware. >> so i don't know if this guy knows, willie, but even the egyptian government is chastising him for what's going on in ferguson. if the generals in egypt are criticizing you, you have a problem. >> the ayatollah in iran are tweeting about ferguson, missouri. it's not a good position to be in. >> there are things that happened in the moments after this young man was killed that have traumatized that area of town, that whole town. he was left lying in the streets for hours. he was not covered up. and there were children -- there were people so stunned at what they were seeing, they were videotaping it because they didn't know what else to do and they were traumatized that they saw this young man get gunned down and then he laid there in the middle of the street, not surrounded, not covered. they didn't put cars -- they said they didn't want to tamper with the scene? well, my god, they certainly didn't tamper with the scene. they left the scene there for everyone to see to be traumatized for hours. >> it's the same thing in the trayvon case. the parents weren't even notified that he was in the morgue for a couple of days. again, the game around this set is what if a republican president did this? in these cases, you just have to ask, what if it was a white 18-year-old kid shot in the middle of a suburban neighborhood. >> they would cover it up, they would surround it. >> it's the same questions i asked every day during hurricane katrina. you know, if this had happened in an exclusive suburb of dallas, texas, would the president be looking down from 30,000 feet or walking around shaking hands? it's the same thing here. it's like if this had happened in a white neighborhood. >> and it continues to stress the black community in particular in these areas that are suddenly thrust into this reality again. for them it's every day. this is an everyday occurrence. for the mayor to sit there and act like there's no problem, it's amazing. still ahead on "morning joe," the "breaking bad" boys reunite as we take a trip to hollyweird. plus pat o'brien will join us. >> pat o'brien is coming back. >> we will discuss the highs and lows of a remarkable career and how he overcame several stints in rehab. also, we'll have more with congressman paul ryan. up next, a scary scene in california when a car chase involving a buick sedan comes to a crashing halt. but first, bill karins with a check on the forecast. >> speaking of car wrecks, right? well, good morning, everyone. we watched epic rains in arizona yesterday and now we move on to this heat wave. it's moving from the west coast to the middle of the nation and soon to the southeast. along with it, we talk about humidity, because that's what's really going to be oppressive as we go throughout the week. when you add that to the temperature, the heat index will feel like 100 to 110 in many areas of the country. when you have dew points in the 60s, a little uncomfortable. when it's in the 70s, it's oppressive. that's what we have from dallas all the way through atlanta and florida. already in the 80s. soon it will be into the 90s with that heat index going over 100. heat warning in effect for the st. louis area the next couple of days, possibly into the weekend. heat advisories all the way down through memphis. in memphis this weekend it will be very hot, near 99 degrees. so it's hot across the country. the cooler spots, the great lakes are still beautiful in the northeast. going into next week the first item to watch in the tropics for a while, we're going to be watching a tropical disturbance heading over the caribbean the next couple of days and a week from now heading into the gulf of mexico. the million dollar question is will it develop? 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"the arizona republic" heavy rains triggered massive flooding in phoenix. over 5 inches of rain has fallen in areas north of the city, shutting down roads and highways, rising waters and crippling neighborhoods, washing through mobile homes, trapping rez dments cars. >> look at that. >> there's more rain on the way later this week. so far no life threatening injuries have been reported. this from "the sacramento bee." there's a wildfire burning near yosemite in california. so far the fire has scorched nearly 3300 acres and destroyed eight structures. officials are saying the blaze is 35% contained and more than 1,000 people have been cleared to get back to their homes. the fire began on monday, the 16th, miles from a park distance. "the guardian," a study says readers absorb less reading on ereaders such as a kindle or ipad. >> do you find that? >> i do. this is so interesting. according to research out of norway, those reading a paperback retained more aspects of the story when tested on plot points and character comprehension. scientists say, i believe this, holding an actual book means the reader is able to chart their progress as they physically turn pages while holding an e-reader can be less gratifying. i think we were just working with my daughter yesterday on study skills and she finds that writing notes down as opposed to typing, and i do as well. i think the same applies to reading. you've got to hold the book. >> i've got a pretty good memory but as far as studying goes with things i didn't want to absorb, i just had to sit there and write it. i'd read it, i'd write it, i'd tear it apart. >> that makes sense. there's some less of a connection there. "the san francisco chronicle," surveillance footage emerged showing the terrifying moments when a car crashed in sausalito, yesterday. the driver was being pursued following a domestic violence incident. while trying to elude police, he lost control of the car, hopped a car and crashed into a cafe where people were eating outside. the suspect attempted to flee on foot but was chased down and arrested. three people were treated for nonlife-threatening injuries. 50 years after lbj launched this nation's war on poverty and congre congressman paul ryan says poverty is winning now. more from our fascinating conversation with the wisconsin republican as he tries to set the way forward. that's his new book. plus the great pat o'brien is here and we'll get his take on our important hollyweird report. yes, pat will chime in on that. >> he's got a great book we are going to talk about. 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i think the country is on the wrong track. a lot of people agree with me. not everybody, but a lot do. so i wrote this to say here is the governing philosophy and the solutions for renewing the american idea which is basically the condition of your birth doesn't determine the outcome of your life. >> back to my question, does that require a slashing of spending for the type of programs that keep a lot of these people that we're seeing on tv alive? keep food on their kids' table? >> the entire premise of that question presupposes that these programs are all just great and it's just a matter of doing more of the same or not. >> no, i don't presuppose that but i also know that we can't just tomorrow pass a budget that's going to cut aid off -- >> no, that's right. >> for the disadvantaged. >> but you voted for a bipartisan bill in 1996, welfare reform, that did more to reduce child poverty than any reform in the modern era. what i'm saying is let's rethink it like that. let's take the other welfare programs that have not been reformed and customize them to a person's individual specific needs so that we can work on fighting poverty, eye to eye, and back up the community. one of the problems in the war on poverty is we've had this federal government intervention that has told the common taxpayer this is government's responsibility, it's not yours, and we've isolated the poor. we've isolated people in our communities. i think we need to re-engage that. number one. number two, let's reform our welfare program so they're always pointed toward getting able-bodied people into the workforce. we talk about high tax rates in america. the highest arguably is the single mom making $20,000 to $40,000 who makes a decision to go to work and ends up losing more benefits than what she gets getting a paycheck and facing high marginal tax rates. so there's a lot of room for reform and clearly dialogue. >> congressman, you know the cartoon version of you that's put out by your critics, by democrats, by many progressives that all you want to do is cut, cut, cut, you want to throw old people out on the street, you want to throw poor people out on the street. how do you answer that? what would you do specifically to help disadvantaged people. >> first of all, i'd say read my book. honestly i talk about a different type of governing philosophy and a different agenda to reconnect people with the american idea, especially those who have fallen away from it, who don't think it's there for them in their communities. what i proposed in a number of things are rethinking the way we fight poverty and reintegrating civil society, local communities and charities along with federal resources to get aid that's customized to focus on getting able-bodied people to work and having a safety net that's resilient for those who cannot help themselves. one of the problems we have in america is we are going bankrupt. we have a debt crisis that's on the horizon and that puts the safety net in jeopardy. other problem is we're not having the economic growth and economic opportunity. we don't have the healthy economy we need to get people back to work so a lot of reforms there. but with specific focus on poverty, there are people in america who are doing amazing things overcoming poverty, helping people do so. i talk about a lot of them in my book but i also talk about an agenda that backs that up so we can do more of those things. >> part of our conversation this morning with congressman paul ryan. see the full discussion on our website, mojoe.msnbc.com. his book was called "the way forward." it's time for reques"busine before the bell" with brian sullivan. how are the markets looking, brian? >> they have been looking strong. a lot of viewers are not day traders but they might have a 401(k) or pension plan. things have been pretty doggone good. the s&p is less than half a percent off its all-time high. i tweeted this out yesterday, joe. apple's market cap is nearly $600 billion. that is the value of every nfl, nhl, cable team combined six times over. >> mika, you think you may be going back to an iphone? you've tried to get away from it. do you think you may be going back? >> come back. >> i was one of the latest adapters and i'm a happy guy. >> you're happy? >> you moved from it? >> from a blackberry to it. >> you took a while. >> i'm a late adapter. >> when are you leaving the 8 track? >> i just want to make sure everything is okay. i let the other 200 million people graze first. >> i'm old school. >> by the way, speaking of old school and music, this is completely unrelated and unplanned, but did you know vinyl album sales are up like 600% over the last five years? people are going back to vinyl. i use lps the ahome. the sound quality is much deeper. i know, joe, you're a musician. there's notes in there you forget you don't hear on mp3s. >> john heilemann, of course, is an audio file and listens to nothing but records. >> while walking down the street he listens to records. it's amazing. >> it's kind of crazy. >> i just picture him eating cheetos in his underwear just playing the lps. >> that's your problem. please don't thrust your problems on the rest of us, donny. so let's talk about really quickly snap chat. >> i snap chat with my daughter. please snap chat me, amelia. >> you say ads and news are coming? >> 30 million snap chat users, mostly teens, it disappears, but in november something called snap chat discovery will roll out which will put ads and news in your feed. listen, mika, i know you've got teenagers, joe, you do too -- >> she's snap chatting with one right now. >> what about snap chat, who's in your child's dorm room? >> you've got to give the warning about snap chat, though. >> what's the warning, donny? >> there's ways you think you're sending something in picture that disappears. >> you can take a picture. >> so just be careful. >> you should have figured that out. the pictures are already out there. >> my attorney says you haven't heard the whole story yet. >> cease and desist. >> still ahead -- >> oh, boy. oh, boy. >> this guy is great. he's back. >> he's spelling it right! good god, i've never seen that happen. he once lived a lavish lifestyle high rolling with celebrities and politicians. we'll talk about what happened next, when pat o'brien joins us with his new memoir. 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i'm joking. >> please don't tell me. did something happen? >> no, nothing happened. >> i had a very big life. and the alcoholism kind of set in when i was 55. and a disaster. but i'm fine now. i've done a lot -- when i was writing this book -- how do i address this panel. do i just say joe or mika? >> you just talk to whoever you want to talk to. >> mika, when i was writing this book -- >> that's the smart move. >> i couldn't believe how much i had done. this book should be called "i am freaking tired." we'll get to whatever you want to get to but the book has a lot of great sports stories. i worked a lot with harvey milk back in the day in the gay and lesbian movement, it was just called the homosexual movement back then, i think. and lots of stuff in there,ing through scandal and all kinds of things. >> alcoholism at 55, that sounds surprising because i think the theory is, oh, somebody has had a drinking problem, but at that stage of life to either acknowledge or become -- explain how at 55 versus 47. >> well, you're predetermined as an alcoholic, it's a disease, it's a brain disease and it's an allergy. i thought i was fine, but at 55, and it had to do with where i was working too. i hated the people i was working with. i loathed the executive producer who was just a nightmare who would make me go stand next to my friends -- >> by the way, that's why mika and i are so sober. we love working. >> when heath ledger died, he was a friend of mine, go stand next to his coffin. but it was my fault. i was drinking too much. i was never drunk on the air. >> not that i can remember. i was drinking back then too. >> so this side of the table has had drinks with pat o'brien. >> some people can drink and some people can't and i'm one who can't. and now i've got -- there's an app for this. 50,954 without a drug or a drink. >> that's fantastic, right? the great thing about our time intersecting, the thing about the b "the insider" is pat and lara were in new york and i was in l.a. most of the time you get this big roaring pitch from pat, like t.r., what have you got? then it would cut to me in l.a. pat and lara were in new york to give a more new york centric feel but so many people thought the world of pat o'brien, salt of the earth kind of guy. obviously there was tension behind the scenes with some of the higher-ups. it was a tough environment, certainly one for me coming from a news environment i wasn't prepared for. but mistakes happen. it's all about the recovery. in this book you talk about your recovery. why after the fourth rehab attempt were you able to get it right? >> what do you think about that, four rehabs. i used to make fun of people who were in two. the first one was at promises and it was after that -- whatever you call that scandal that i had which is so benign now. and creepy to talk about. but i will. the second one was at betty ford where i got a nice suntan. a beautiful room. then i had the record at betty ford for relapsing and going back in and then i got sober at hazelton. when i got to hazelton, mika, i was almost dead. my last day of drinking, i drank 12 bottles of wine, 13 or 14, was found flat down on my beach near nantucket and was nearly dead. when i got there, they said to me you better listen this time because you're going to die. i was 130 -- 125 pounds, take 40 pounds off this body. i finally realized like dorothy in the wizard of oz, i could go home. robin williams was a friend that grabbed me and said welcome home, papa, you're in a safe place now. the safe place is in these rooms of recovery. you hear other stories and you get support from other people. >> i hope you stay safe. >> i'm safe now, aren't i? >> you look great. >> stay that way. >> you look great. >> thank you for coming on. this book looks amazing. you get incredible stories about celebrities and that lifestyle, but i think a lot of people could be helped by this book as well. >> you need to come back more and just hang with us. >> the road to recovery is not perfect. >> it's also the number one health problem in the country. >> pat o'brien, stay with us because things are about to get weird, okay? not that they haven't already. >> really? >> hollyweird from paul rudd's makeover to cindy crawford's crusade and a "breaking bad" reunion. we'll be right back. and asked for less. there's a reason it's called an "all you can eat" buffet... and not a "have just a little" buffet. because what we all really want is more. now get our best ever pricing with the more everything plan. 1 gb of bonus data per month per line. verizon smart rewards to rack up points for the things you really want. and 50% off all new smartphones, like the htc one m8 for windows & android. built to inspire envy. come get your more with verizon. no question about that. but your erectile dysfunction - that could be a question of blood flow. cialis tadalafil for daily use helps you be ready anytime the moment's right. you can be more confident in your ability to be ready. and the same cialis is the only daily ed tablet approved to treat ed and symptoms of bph, like needing to go frequently or urgently. tell your doctor about all your medical conditions and medicines, and ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take cialis if you take nitrates for chest pain, as it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. do not drink alcohol in excess. side effects may include headache, upset stomach, delayed backache or muscle ache. to avoid long term injury, get medical help right away for an erection lasting more than four hours. if you have any sudden decrease or loss in hearing or vision, or any allergic reactions like rash, hives, swelling of the lips, tongue or throat, or difficulty breathing or swallowing, stop taking cialis and get medical help right away. ask your doctor about cialis for daily use and a free 30-tablet trial. we'll start looking for an suv... 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