in heiglight of the fact that everything you just said donald trump said wasn't going to happen. it is the most under-reported story related to the campaign but not directly in the campaign. each day we see something new that was kind of unimaginable weeks ago. >> he says the u.s. military is a disaster, that operation is a disaster, he half believes that mosul is part of syria. >> thank you, rachel. today, the wife of the biggest cyber bully in the world said that if you make her first lady of the united states, she will work hard to stop cyber bullying. annemarie cox will join us with her reaction to melania trump's speech today. but first, we have a new electoral college projection. and that projection indicates that the next president of the united states will not have a first lady. >> this isn't a joke.
this isn't survivor. this isn't the bachelorette. this counts. >> say whoa. >> if donald trump were to win this election, we would have a commander in chief who is completely out of his depth. >> ah, this and that, oh, give me a break. >> donald trump is temperamentally unfit. >> best thing i have is my temperament. >> now he knows we can see and hear him, right? >> i think the gig is up. >> we have to find a better way to talk to each other. to respect each other. >> these people are stupid. they're stupid people. >> come on, man! >> i promise you, i will never enter a bicycle race. >> stay on point, donald, stay on point. >> we need to teach our youth american values. kindness. honesty, respect. >> stupid people, remember that. >> sometimes the tentation is to tune it out, and you want to
just focus on the cubs winning the world series. [cheers and applause] >> and who knows, maybe we'll see even more history made in a few days. >> this is the last word on campaign 2016. >> with just four campaign days left now before the presidential election, american voters have probably already decided who the next president of the united states will be. most of the models repeatedly used to predict the winner are predicting a win for hillary clinton. on this program, we presented the moody's analytics model this week that uses economic factors as well as political factors to predict a winner. that shows hillary clinton winning 332 electoral votes to donald trump's 206 electoral votes. larry sabato, the director of the university of virginia center for politics is now ready with his numbers. joining us now, larry sabato.
this is not your final projection, because, there's a couple is states you're still thinking about, but give us your count as of tonight. >> yes, lawrence, we'll update on monday, but right now we think that clinton has 293 electoral votes. she will, we believe, win nevada, despite some of the late polling that has her behind there. we think she's ahead in north carolina. and as long as democrats can manage to get out more the african-american vote, and they're working hard on that, she will win north carolina. our big toss-up, in fact the only toss-up state is florida. you could argue new hampshire is a toss-up state. there are only four electoral votes there and 29 in florida. florida has flummoxed us so far. but 293 is a respectable total. if she wins florida, she'll go
clinton among latinos, latino decisions have excellent new data on this showing that clinton is getting a larger percentage of latinos than brau barack obama did. he got 21%. she's getting 79%, donald trump is in the teens. gee, i wonder why. that is a big, big gain for hillary clinton. the electorate's never static, and different pieces move in different directions every four years, but over all, i think people who are saying hillary clinton is collapsing and the blue wall is falling, you know, it's chicken little all over again. >> and quickly, larry on the senate, if hillary clinton, if your projection's right, hillary clinton's going to be the next president. is she going to be able to get a supreme court nominee through the next united states senate? >> well, she needs, she needs 50 democratic senators plus tim
donald trump's temperament. >> i'm also honored to have the greatest temperament that anybody has, because we know how to win. she spends $1 billion. she spends so much money, i see these ads. people that know me, say how can they say that? you know, we have a temperament, we have a certain temperament. it's a temperament of knowing how to win. >> donald stood on a stage and said, and i quote, i'm honored to have the greatest temperament that anyone's ever had. now he, he knows we can see and hear him, right? this is someone who at another rally yesterday actually said out loud to himself, stay on point, donald. stay on point. his campaign probably put that in the teleprompter. stay on point, donald, stay on point. >> and joining the discussion
now, elysse jordan. former adviser to rand paul's presidential campaign. and also with us, steve mcmahon, a democratic strategist and the ceo and co-founder of purple strategies. elysse, it still seems for the clinton campaign, the best material for hillary clinton every day is whatever donald trump just said. >> that's why this week has been damaging to her. so much attention has been focussed on the fbi and the e-mail server. if she can get back to pointing out to what ridiculous things donald trump is saying, his message the entire campaign, she's in much firmer, better territory. >> steve mcmahon, you've been, i was going to say you've been in campaigns like this. i take it back. no one's ever been in a campaign like this. but you've certainly been there where there's four campaign days left. obviously hillary clinton likes keeping the focus on what donald
funny to basically not pay somebody who's done work for him and say go ahead and sue me, because i've got more money than you and you can't do anything about it. >> larry sabato, is that approach based on voter analysis, that that is what is working with voters? talking about donald trump's temperament and character? >> oh, absolutely. this has come through for months, even before the conventions. and it's just as true today as it was then. the two big factors, they don't think he has the temperament to sit in the oval office and make critical decisions, and they don't think he's qualified in terms of experience and background, to deal with complex public policy issues. the more those two things can be stressed, the better for democrats, and president obama had a marvelous term there. uniquely unqualified. and, again, i think most people would agree with that, just based on the facts.
>> all right, let's look at the latest clinton campaign ad that goes straight at this. ♪ >> i'd look her right in that fat, ugly face of hers. >> he's a war hero because he was captured. i like people who weren't captur captured, okay? you got to look at this guy, oh, i don't remember. i would bomb the [ bleep ] out of them. i love war in a certain way. >> elysse, i think about people like you and steve wishing you could be in the room working on ads against donald trump, because they just serve up the, donald trump serves up that material. >> it is a gift that keeps giving when it comes to ads. but back to this temperament issue that we're talking about and how clinton and president obama are trying to stress this on the campaign trail this week,
out of all the focus groups that i've sat in during this campaign season, temperament was the absolute, number one issue that undecided voters mentioned when it came to pulling the trigger for donald trump. they're simply worried not only what he would do domestically been internationally, it's okay if he's a wrecking ball domestically, but internationally, they are really concerned. so this is definitely her closing argument. >> so steve mcmahon, never mind the supreme court in the last four days of the campaign, would you suggest they ignore issues, just go straight at donald trump the character? >> absolutely. she's got a 40 or 45-point edge on this trait which voters think is very important to a president, and i've sat in focus groups too and saw the same thing. voters are very worried about donald trump. they sort of like that he wants to change washington, they would like a change and broken glass
there, but they don't want that in the middle east or places where it's dangerous and scary. they want a balanced, experienced leader who's not going to get us into a war. >> steve mcmahon, elysse jordan, larry sabato, thank you for joining us. >> thank you. coming up, melania trump's speech today was accompanied by the most inappropriate music ever used by the trump campaign or any campaign in the history of campaigns. in the history of music. annemarie cox will give us her take on that speech. and former speechwriter for president george w. bush david from will join us to explain why he voted today for hillary clinton for president. one of millions of orders on this company's servers. accessible by thousands of suppliers and employees globally. but with cyber threats on the rise,
today, the microphone, i should say, but it was not for that press conference that donald trump promised since weeks ago in which melania trump would produce all her immigration records and prove to us her legality. instead, it was a speech accompanied by the most inappropriate music in the history of the campaign. annemarie cox will join us next and we'll bring you some of that speech. well this here's a load-bearing wall. we'll go ahead and rip that out. that'll cause a lot of problems. hmm. totally unnecessary and it triples the budget. we'll be totally behind schedule, right? (laughschedules. schedules. great, okay. wouldn't it be great if everyone said what they meant?
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♪ ♪ aquarius ♪ aquarius ♪ sympathy and trust abounding >> okay, that was weird. that is the most inappropriate piece of introductory music ever used at a campaign event. the last line of the lyric you just heard, "sympathy and trust abounding ". and then, for some inexplicable reason, the lyrics stop, the music continues, but the lyrics aren't there. they just stop. and the very next line, the lyrics that just don't happen, the next line is "no more falsehoods or derisions."
now it just can't be possible that the trump campaign, the campaign of falsehoods and derisions, was self-aware enough to realize that they just couldn't play that lyric today. it couldn't be that, because if the trump campaign was so self-aware, then they would never have chosen a hit song from the 1968 broadway musical "hair." it was the first nude musical. for the most part, they were dressed in the hippy costuming of the day. it was a story of dropping out, and dropping acid and free love and celebration of the hippy lifestyle. aimed at donald trump's age, graduated a month after "hair " opened on fraud way, but it definitely wa lly wasn't donalds kind of show. it was about, as the lyrics said, harmony and understanding,
sympathy and trust abounding. no more falsehoods or derisions. golden living dreams of visions mystic crystal revelation and the mind's true liberation. the music and the cultural world of people graduating from college in 1968 in donald trump's year, that year was deaf identified between the hippies singing about love and understanding and the mind's true revelation and elvis, unrepentant, 1950s rock and roll. so melania trump made her entrance to a song that stands against everything the trump campaign stands for. no more falsehoods or derisions. and oddly, melania trump's speech was about falsehoods and derisions. making her the first trump ever
to take a stand against falsehoods and derisions. >> as we know, now social media is a centerpiece of our lives. it can be a useful tool for connection and communication. it can ease isolation that so many people feel in the modern world. technology has changed our universe. but, like anything that is powerful, it can have a bad side. we have seen this already. as adults, many of us are able to handle mean words, even lies. children and teenagers can be fragile. they are hurt when they are made fun of or made to feel less in looks or intelligence. this makes their life hard and can force them to hide and
retreat. our culture has gotten too mean and too rough. especially to children and teenagers. >> made to feel less in looks and intelligence. so, the wife of the world's biggest, wildest, most out of control cyber bully, wants to assume the position of first lady so she can stop cyber bullying. no. this is not a self-aware campaign. four years ago, melania trump's husband tweeted this. cher, i don't wear a rug, it's mine, and i promise not to talk about your massive plastic surgeries that didn't work. melania trump's husband also tweeted this, ariana huffington is unattractive both yinside an out. i understand why her husband left her for a man. and he made a comment on the
fact that women were serving in the military. 26,000 unreported sexual assaults in the military, on only 238 convictions. what did these geniuses expect? how much money is the extremely unattractive both inside and out, ariana huffington paying her ex-husband for the use of his name. if hillary clinton can't satisfy her husband, what makes her think she can satisfy america. donald trump has tweeted that megyn kelly is a bimbo, attacked bette midler's attractiveness on twitter and said utterly poisonous things about rosie o'donnell, time and time again here, and i was the person donald trump threatened to sue
on twitter, he's attacked this show, saying it's unwatchable and first predicted the cancellation of this show five years ago, it was going to happen at any moment back then. also on twitter, donald trump has called me a poor journalist, stupid, a very dumb guy, the dumbest political commentator on television and the dumbest man on tv. today donald trump tweeted about watching his wife's speech, but he didn't say anything, anything about her condemnation of cyber bullying. joining us now, annemarie cox, senior political news correspondent for mtv news. i was looking at the trump hits on me, i have to confess, all of which made me laugh. and i thought he never goes after guys' looks. he only does the looks thing with women. and then i found this one. lawrence, this is from several years ago. lawrence will soon be off tv, bad ratings, he has a face made
for radio. so he has gone after, at least one guy, on looks. >> yeah, he's mocked krischri c too. he does save his real venom for women. that is true. and, you know, so i was working under a theory for a while that melania was an silon, because she has that weird thing where her eyes go back and forth, and she looks somewhat alien. but an android's circuits would fry, only a truly delusional human being could give a speech like she gave and survive it. a computer couldn't handle it. you've shown a hlot of the iron. but to go a step further beyond
trump himself doing the bullying, what about attacking people of the jewish faith who have covered him and they've sent people into hiding and remember the journalist that wrote a profile of melania and was deluged with anti-semitic remark, and the campaign and melania herself refused to say anything about it. >> it's one of those speeches where it makes you wonder, do these people ever talk to each other. it was all that portion of it was well-written. those were all good ideas, very well-considered stuff. but donald trump is just the most glaring, you know, violator of everything melania trump talked about today. >> right, you know, i always thought it was a little bit a shade that laura bush chose literacy as her cause when bush was president. i thought that was pretty
clever. but this is at another level. if this is self-aware subtweeting, it's like sticking the knife in. i don't, you know, it's hard to critique, you know, the families, right? i think everyone wants to not go to hard on the families of candidates. you know, a lot of us say things like this person didn't sign up for th. but i've been thinking. we don't know what melania signed up for. trump has said there's a prenuptial agreement. i imagine it's pretty long. she literally signed up for this. >> she definitely did literally sign something. i think when the families are trying to elect the most dangerous candidate in the history of the country, we've got a whole set of what's relevant and what isn't. >> and when she's trying to make the argument that somehow the donald that she knows is different than the one we know, we've seen no evidence of that. this is a case where we actually
have evidence of what he's like when he doesn't think the cameras are on, right? and it's pretty consistent, actually. like that's the thing that's sort of amazing, right? there's no hidden depths to hem. there's no other side of donald trump. hi like he's exactly the jerk you think he is. >> and what matters is who a president is going to be publicly. this is who he is publicly. >> and the temperament argument that all the hillary surrogates is making is a powerful one. we'd like to live in a country where we're having our des agreements about policy, but in the end, it really is about temperament when we elect a president, because there's not going to be, we can't predict every policy problem that comes forward. we can't predict everything that will happen in the world. at some point, it will be the president at his or her desk making the decision about
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when republican governor and former candidate john kasich voted in the battle ground state of ohio, he ducked the real choice of hillary clinton versus donald trump for president. governor kasich could not bring himself to vote for donald trump, and he couldn't bring himself to vote for hillary clinton, so he wrote in a vote for john mccain. david from accepted the real choice and announced today that he voted for hillary clinton. he wrote in an oped for the flaentsic, i have no illusions about hillary clinton. she is a patriot and will uphold the sovereignty of the united states. why didn't you write in john mccain? and what do you say to republicans who are thinking about writing in john mccain or something else? >> well, i wrote, the article i wrote for the atlantic
immediately before made the best case i could from a conservative point of view for donald trump, hillary clinton and a protest candidate. i feel like you have to face your choices. the absentee ballot which i septembe sent, stayed in my box about four days. >> when did you send it? >> about a week ago. but i would say, i'm not one who is greatly swayed by endorsements, but vladimir putin's, that cut a lot of weight with me. >> that would be the thing in the end that weighed the heaviest on you, which one does vladimir putin really want? >> the first is, i do think we are seeing an attempt to manipulate an american election by an unfriendly foreign power,
and it's really important that that unfriendly power get the strongest signal that this isn't acceptable. in the second thing, i do think hillary clinton, i mean, clintons, i've got a lot of critiques of the clinton foundation. i do think they bend the law. but hillary clinton accepts the concept of legality, she accepts that courts are asupreme and hls should be followed. and those pay sibasic rules. the system that we have is one that protects my rights under a president i don't approve of and tomorrow will do the same for you. and what people have in common is their commitment to those shared rules. and if you have a challenger to show shar those shearared rules, that's
unacceptable. >> are you having conversations with a number of your republican friends who are having the same problem that you are? >> there are a lot of shy clinton voters. i know marriages where they're both republicans, but women find this an easier step than the men do. i know a lot of republicans making a protest vote, and i don't complain about that. there are people who say my vote an expression and people who say my vote an instrument. i believe it is an instrument, not an expression. >> thank you very much. coming up, trump campaign is worried about getting out to vote, but are they telling the truth about that? that's in tonight's war room wi with mike murphy. [ piercing sound ]
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finance his get out to vote operation. but donald trump doesn't have a get out to vote operation. what's up with that? that's coming up. but first, here's how it looked today on the campaign trail. >> one way or another come this january, america is going to have a new president. >> if hers is a track record, if hers is experience, i want no experience. look what that experience has got us. >> please remember, that before he was a presidential candidate, he was a leader of the so-called birther movement. >> if he doesn't respect all americans, how can we trust him to serve all americans? >> we're all aware that hillary clinton has a problem with the truth. even among politicians, and that does not make her unique in the swamp that is washington. but hillary stands out. >> she's a very dishonest person, probably the most dishonest person ever to run for the office of president.
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septembersent an e-mail to supporters this week asking them for money pause, we are currently executing a highly costly early voting push and get out to vote operation to ensure identified trump voters make it to the polls before election day. and this picture was tweeted with this caption, expensive early vote and get out to vote operation. that clearly doesn't exist. what grifters, con man. with four days left for the presidential war rooms, joining us tonight is mike murphy, republican campaign strategist and the host of the pod cast, radio free gop. so i have friends getting these trump e-mails, begging for money. this one you say is more fraud length thfraudu lent than most, because there isn't even a get out to vote
push? >> i'm the sheriff of corrupt town. but this one was particularly egregious. you can argue, there's a fig leaf. it's the joint fund raising committee between the rnc, and they do do generic things, but the e-mail implies, the technique they use is from kellyanne conway, and the idea they need money for this big tv system, which the campaign doesn't have. the rnc has some of it, that's why they'd argue there was a whip of truth. it was misleading. make a trump appeal. that's fine, but let's not pretend there's somet that doesn't exis >> it still cracks me up that the guy is asking for money. why ask for money? why not pump all that trump money that was supposed to come in. >> that's a promise we heard for a long time.
and he's put some money in, but not nearly what he said he would, but that's no surprise with trump. >> he will end up spending less than mike bloomberg did to get elected mayor of new york city. here's the count on field offices. hillary clinton has more field offices in 41 states, chug in every battleground state than donald trump has. here are the states where donald trump has more field offices han hillary clinton. arizona, south dakota, arkansas and mississippi. and arizona's the only one of those that's even in play. >> yeah, there's no trump field operation by real campaign standards. there's generic stuff the rnc is doing to help congressional races. but trump is doing none of the enhanced things that a normal presidential campaign would do. they're doing much of anything that a normal presidential
campaign would do. there's no real serious policy staff. the list goes on and on. trump is like the ice kcapades. it is this concert tour, and we'll see how that pays off on election day. i think with all the noise about how it's too close to call and all that, i'm making bets, i think trump's going down. >> walk us through your bet. on election night, which chips do you expect to see falling on the east coast? do you think in the early closings we'll see florida go for hillary clinton? >> i actually believe hillary is going to carry florida. i could be wrong, but even if trump wins ohio where he's a little stronger than florida and loses florida, let's give him both. and even if he were to win north carolina which has more republican proclivitieproclivit still has to make it up other places i don't think he can. i don't think he's going to poll
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normally you get 95% when you win. i think trump's republican number will be in the 80 s somewhere. so one of his many problems is, not all these republican votes by registration are actually trump votes. i don't know if it will be 28 to hillary, but i wouldn't be surprised if it's in the high teens, which is twice what it should be in a winning republican model. >> mike murphy, it's great to get your last word on this campaign as we approach tuesday, really appreciate. thanks, mike. >> thanks, lawrence. coming up next, the lawyer who fought the voter i.d. law in north carolina. indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea!♪ here's pepto bismol! ah. ♪nausea, heartburn, indigestion, upset stomach, diarrhea!♪ why don't you let me... and me... help you out?
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they say some 6,700 people have been purged. a federal judge reinstated those purged voters' rights, calling the way that they were removed, quote, insane. that was the judge's word. insane. and the judge said it was out of the jim crow era. while democratic turnout for early voting is outpacing republican turnout in north carolina so far, black voter turnout is down 16% from 2012 and some activists say that that is due to that kind of voter suppression. the justice department plans to monitor voting in four counties in north carolina next tuesday. joining us now, penda haire. can you tell me what the judgment found to be insane?
i've heard a lot of judges speaking and writing from the bench. that's a word you don't hear very often. >> let me say first, lawrence, that the judge has not yet issued her final decision, but she did make some comments from the bench. what she found to be insane was that private people mailed pieces of mail to voters in the county, and then they took returned mail to the county and asked the county board of elections to purge those voters from the roles. and the counties actually did so on the behest of these private vigilantes. and more than 400 voters were purged in one county, and over 60 in another county, and in the larger county, it was thousands of voters who were purged. and a lot of this was done right up until election day. . there's another hearing to purge more voters on monday in one of these counties.
>> current polling shows hillary clinton leading donald trump 47-44 in north carolina. let's listen to the way president obama described this situation. >> grace bell lived in belhaven north carolina her entire life. all 100 years of her life. just a few weeks ago republicans challenged her voter registration status. and tried to remove her from the voter rolls. now grace got her voter regge administration reinstated. and you better believe she's going to vote. but this 100-year old woman wasn't alone in being targeted. the list was two-thirds black and democratic. that didn't happen by accident. >> and is that a pretty fair description of what's going on? >> yes. mrs. grace bell harditsson plai
brought. she's voted 23 elections in a role and was at risk of being purged. she got the challenge withdrawn after the north carolina naacp learned about her sorry and made it public. and many, many others in her county are not so lucky and are still subject to having their vote taken away unless the federal judge rules, which we believe will happen fairly quickly. >> if someone has trouble voting in north carolina, what should they do? >> well, they should insist on voting. and if the election officials will not give them a regular ballot, they should ask for a provisional ballot and make sure they are given the provisional ballot. and then after the election, the
michael j. fox shows up in a time machine. >> trump is a totally reasonable guy, as long as he gets exactly what he wants, 100% of the time. >> don't i wish i were debating him. i just got caught in the rain. i'm soaking wet, how does my hair look. is it okay? >> i wish you were in high school. could i take him behind the gym. >> remember folks, it's a rigged system. just remember, it's a rigged system. don't ever forget it. >> i have now spent four and a half hours on stage with donald, proving once again i have the stamina to be president. >> this is the last word on campaign 2016. donald trump's current wife is imr incapable of composing or delivering a campaign speech for her husband, which would be no big deal, that would be okay. i wouldn't even mention it, if
donald trump didn't decide that today was the day he would attack president obama's wife for her speech making. >> we have a president, all he wants to do is campaign, his wife, all she wants to do is campaign. and i see how much his wife likes hillary, but wasn't she the one that originally started the statement, if you can't take care of your home? right? you can't take care of the white house or the country? where's that? i don't hear that. i don't hear that. she's the one that started that. i said, we can't say that. it's too vicious. can you believe it? i said that. we can't -- they said, well, michelle obama said it. i said, she did? >> donald trump was trying to pretend that michelle obama said that about hillary clinton during the first obama presidential campaign when the obamas were campaigning against hillary clinton. here is what michelle obama
actually said in atlantic, iowa, in 2007. one of the most important things that we need to know about the next president of the united states is, is he somebody that shares our values? is he somebody that respects family? is he a requestgood and decent ? if you can't run your own house, you can't run the white house. we've adjusted our schedules so that while he's traveling around, i do day trips. i get up, get the girls ready and get them off. i'm home before bedtime, so the girls know that i was gone somewhere, but they don't care. they just know that i was at home to tuck them in at fight, and -- night, and it keeps them grounded. and the kids in our country need to know that they come first, and our girls do. that's why we're doing this. we're in this race for not just our children but for all of our children. donald trump boasted that he had nothing to do with the raising
of his children, that he wouldn't even take them for walks in the park, nothing. so you could read that quote to donald trump all day, what michelle obama said, you could read it to him, and he would never understand it. he wouldn't understand that michelle obama was talking about barack obama and michelle obama and their children. and the children of america. he's incapable of understanding what words mean. the latest nbc wall street journal poll seems to indicate that most americans understand michelle obama. 59% have a favorable view of michelle obama, making her the most popular political name in the poll. donald trump was the least popular, with a 29% favorable rating. and we have breaking news tonight about the first 100 days of the trump presidency. tomorrow, in gettysburg, pennsylvania, donald trump will
announce his agenda for the first 100 days, but if you're one of the lucky ones who gets fund raising e-mails from the trump campaign, you already have the 100 days agenda, because eric trump included it in tonight's round of begging for money for the fake billionaire who cannot afford to pay for his own presidential campaign. in addition to begging for money over and over again in the e-mail, the e-mail says this is what my father is determined to do in his first 100 days in office. this is what we're fighting for. we will appoint judges who will uphold our constitution, immediately negotiate better trade deals. change federal immigration rules and cancel numerous regulations to provide more high-paying jobs for our people. open up energy production to jump start our economy, and finally, repeal the obamacare disaster, to provide relief to american families.
and yes, that's right. i said finally. meaning that's it. that's the whole list. that's the trump first 100 days. so apparently, in the first 100 days, donald trump will not get around to making even a single phone call to mexico about paying for the wall. and, in the first 100 days, most muslims apparently will continue to pour into the country, because banning them, like the wall, is no longer a top trump priority. joining us now, elysse jordan, and crystal ball, former candidate for congress, democratic strategist and a senior fellow at the new leaders consul. the first 100 days doesn't have the biggest items that donald trump has pushed in his campaign. >> well, it's never been about policy for donald. it's kind of, it's a little bit shocking that at this stage in
the game he's actually trying to put policy out there, because it is something that undecided voters desperately want. they want to see that there's some substance. i've been going around to seven battleground states with a british polling company and doing these focus groups, and there are so many undecided voters who really want to vote for trump but he doesn't give them enough substance. he should have been doing this for the past six months. he's throwing out the half-hearted policy. >> he's going to go to gettysburg tomorrow. and someone in the audience is going to shout out "build the wall, build the wall", and then the wall's going to be on the 100-day agenda, and then it won't be written in the agenda, trump will go, oh, yeah, build the wall. >> when the election is over, he would go ahead and tell us what we do in his imaginary presidency. if you're looking for any logical consistency, he's lost the thread. this is a man who went on his
own convention stage and said i, alone, can knicfix the problems. this campaign has never been about issues. it's always been about donald trump. so it cracks me up when his surrogates come out and say we want to talk about the issues. they've never wanted to campaign on any sort of policy or issues. they've always wanted it to be a donald trump personality contest, and that's exactly what they got, and that's exactly why they're losing. >> a last minute to flail out some policy. >> you got to figure with all this talk of "it's hopeless", which has swept the media, like there really isn't a chance here. a 100-day agenda is like saying oh, look, there really is this dream. it's still alive. >> you could call it that, i guess. just like the transition team that's so hard at work. >> this 100-day agenda seriously. i don't know -- >> i want to hear he's going to build the wall. >> so, you know, he did that
horrible thing at the debate, where he just said, you know, such a nasty woman. just mutter. actually very deliberately got up to the mic and got it into the mic so we could all hear it. he apparently is not the only one who thought that. this republican brian babin. >> he called her a nasty woman. is that appropriate? >> you know what? she's saying some nasty things. >> do you think it's appropriate for him to call him a nasty woman? >> you know, i'm a genteel southerner. >> does that mean no? >> no, sometimes a woman needs to be told when she's being nasty. >> oh, really? >> i do. >> crystal? >> amazing. i think the gop at this point needs to realize that this is no longer about donald trump. it's not even about the senate or what happens in the house. they need to think about the long-term damage they are doing
with women for the future of this party. before trump there was a gender gap and an issue there, and now women across the country are looking at how they are enabling this serial sexual assaulter, groper, misogynist and going along with this kind of stuff. they're observing this, and they're not just ascribing it to donald trump. they're saying this whole party is against me. so i think the party as a whole needs to step back and take a look what their future is. you might be able to win without appealing to minorities, but you can't win without appealing to women. >> and someone in the trump campaign decided today was a good die start campaigning against michelle obama. because they have to give him this quote, this mangled quote, which is a misrepresentation of what she said. >> what you want to do right now -- >> right? >> yeah, exactly what i would advi advise him to do, go and
campaign against a really popular first lady who has built up such moral authority in the country for being a wonderful apparent. what i've heard from hard-core trump supporters they don't lsaa good father. he has that worst contrast of himself with michelle obama. >> there's michelle obama talking about as a mother, trying to manage that campaign and tuck her kids into bed every fig night, and donald trump tries to distort that. >> it's disgusting. there's this clip that goes around that's really nasty that if hillary can't satisfy her man how can she satisfy the country. that's on tee shirts at his rallies, to try to pull any shi -- michelle obama into that is horrifying. michael moore will be our
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president since 1964. he filled up a theater with republicans, democrats, independents and undecideds. >> if hillary clinton wins, if the women took over, and because they don't need us, so you know what this is going to lead to. there are going to be interment camps for men. and hillary will have all her, you know, wealthy students there with their clipboards, checking us into the interment camp. they've got to pick out a few to keep the species going. who are they going to pick? the smart ones and the good-looking ones. already i'm looking at the faces of the guys here, they already know they're in the camp. we're all in line. we're going to be in line there, you, you, you, you, oh, you. over here. >> joining us now for his first
interview about the new film michael moore, thank you very much for being here. boy, i love this movie. i love so much about this movie, including the little reference to the wellesley students checking in the interment camps. and there's hillary clinton at wellesley. and every detail is perfectly managed in this thing, but tell us about the concept. you decide you're going to go into the thick of it. you want to put everyone in the same room. you have republicans in this room, trump voters in this room. hillary voters, if you can find them, which isn't so easy in that territory. >> that's right. >> you have muslims in that room, mexicans in that room. and you have jokes about everyone in that room, and it seems like that's where the audience could feel a unity, was in the laughter. >> yeah, i've believed for a long time that humor is a great way to communicate.
it's also a great way to relieve that valve on the pressure cooker and relieve the anger. our best comedians are pretty angry people, and that's why their humor's so good, because it's the flip side of that anger. there's so much anger in the country right now. and i thought, i'm going to write this one-man show. i'm not going to take it to berkley or ann arbor. i'm going to perform it in a place where i'm going to feel very uncomfortable and where i'm probably going to need a lot of security. so i went to southern ohio. we went to one, we went to a county called licking county first. and we got a theater there, and the local republicans had an uprising and made the board kick me out, basically, ban me, so we couldn't put on the show. we had to quickly find another county that had a similar g demographic. we found clinton county, which
had four times as many people voting for trump. so 26,000 registered voters, and i think 1,000 plus voted in the democratic primary. that gives you a picture of what it looked like there. but it was, you know, it was really, when you watch this, you see at the beginning, you know, this probably, there's 700 people in the theater, and a good 100 of them are people who said they're voting for donald trump, and so they're like this. and, and. >> you can see in their reaction shots to some jokes. this guy's laughing. the guy right beside him is not, and looks like he's feeling the opposite of laughter at some moments. then he'll be laughing and the other won't. >> the humor had to be such that i didn't want them to leave. i was not there to make fun of them or attack them. in fact, there's a good seven-minute chunk where i acknowledge the anger of the former middle class that's
thinking of voting for donald trump, because he's their human molotov cocktail. so they get to throw that into the system. but i really, you see this, and gradually through the show, a lot of the more conservative people in the audience, they start laughing, and they half more. a lot, because a lot of them are laughing at us liberals, because there's a lot about us -- >> you do self-deprecating liberal humor. >> all true, too. but right away i tell the trump people, i've segregated the muslims and mexicans in the room and put them in their own section and during the show, we're going to build a wall around the mexican-americans in the audience. and the muslims, i got a drone that flies in the balcony over the muslim section to keep an eye on them. i'm just doing it to show you i'm willing to meet you halfway, and these muslims and mexicans have agreed to participate in this so you don't have to be worried. >> you've made the journey from ardent bernie backer to ardent
hillary clinton backer. >> well, i don't know if ardent is the right word. i am an unlikely messenger for hillary clinton. i think, now you've seep tn the movie. >> yes. >> would you agree, even though there was a guy that came out of the movie, i just did a q&a, he said, wow, you're more optimistic about hillary than hillary is optimistic about hillary. i said, well, i think these things i'm saying about her are not being said. and, but there's no way the clinton campaign will endorse this movie. >> right. >> as you now, because there are certain things i say and do in there that's like, you know. but that's okay, because i'm outlier to this. i'm not part of the clinton machine. i am a bernie voter, part of the bernie revolution. and i understand why ex-auto workers are upset, and when
donald trump says he's going to put a tariff on those cars built in mexico. and i understand why people say they're not going to vote, we're going to have one of the lowest turnouts, i get that, too, because we have two of the least-liked candidate the ever. if you are willing to understand that. there are people who hate hillary. i show them a way to actually vote for her and continue hating her while they're in the voting booth. >> if they need to. and you also echo bernie sanders. and publicly you have in terms of the movie, in terms of your advocacy of how to vote. you're saying what bernie sanders is saying. >> she's come so far toward bernie's positions in a way that i remember jesse jackson, michael dukakis did not adopt any of the positions. she's adopted two-thirds or more of the bernie platform. >> we've got to squeeze in a
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for the, it's done with such respect and grace. and god bless this man and i think, lawrence, there are thousands, tens of thousands of people just like him. this is not, khazir khan is not the only khazir khan. we live in a nation of these people. and they don't have tv shows. you know, they don't have a soapbox. but when we go to that place, when we remember that we are a country that went into the voting booth, not once but twice and elected a man, and said right on the ballot, it said barak hussain obama. and we did that, twice. that's who we are. we get, you know, people from other countries, i'm sure you've had this, what is this trump? people, he does not represent the vast american public. the american people are good people. at their core. at the core, at the core of
khazir khan, that's who we are, and i think, i hope that's what will happen on election day. the problem here is this. while i believe that, and while i believe people can vote at home on their remote controls and x box, hillary would win in a landslide. but it's about who's going to get out to vote not on the first tuesday of november, but on the second tuesday, which is called winter in michigan and ohio and pennsylvania. so there's going to be maybe not a very large turnout. and the candidate with the rabid supporters is the one who's going to have the turnout. so people need to take this very seriously. a lot of hillary voters are feeling relieved. she's won three debates, ahead in the polls. you should look at that nbc poll in tonight. state of ohio, 45/35. 45-45. for not just ohio, that's the way you have, if you are relaxed. if your shoulders are relaxed,
thank god, trump's imploding again, if that's the way you are thinking, you are helping to elect donald trump. >> it also means you have not been to ohio. >> and i amt telling you. people in ohio are good people, but they need some outreach. and down at the theater here where i'm showing the movie the other night, people signing up, taking a bus load of people to pennsylvania next weekend, mostly students to go knocking on doors. this is, the actual work has to happen. everybody has to bring five people to the polls with them. because don't think it can't happen. you and i are old enough to know, a man named tricky dick was elected not once but twice. then america elected a b actor whose co-star was a chimpanzee, then w. the state of minnesota, one of the smartest states in the
country voted a wrestler. this is the country we live in. don't take this for granted. everybody who thought jennifer hudson was going to win on "american idol" and it turned out fantasia won? where is fantasia today? do not sit back and go oh, hillary's not got it in the bag. no problem. if you are doing an end zone dance on the 50 yard line, which is where we're at today, then you are helping to elect donald trump. >> six years of this show, only one person has mentioned the love boat and fantasia together in the same answer. that's a record. >> this is why i'm here. >> that's why i'm here. >> and i will come back and have more cultural references for you like that. >> thank you, really, really appreciate it. >> thank you. >> the movie is number one on itunes and it's been on itunes for hours. >> just for hours. this thing has taken off. the theater just told me downtown, we set a record there
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rubio for florida's senate seat. >> i will say, i'm even more confused by republican politicians who still support donald trump. marco rubio is one of those people. how does that work? how can you call him a con artist and dangerous and object to all the controversial things he says and then say, but i'm still going to vote for him? come on, man. that's not the leadership you need. that's why you got to vote for patrick murphy. >> joining us now, congressman patrick murphy of florida. congressman murphy, the latest quinnipiac poll in florida show the marco rubio up 49, you at 47. that is a tie within the margin
of error, but there are reports tonight that the democratic senate campaign committee is pulling back on financial support for your campaign. why would that be happening if you're running so close in the polls? >> well, look, lawrence, we're excited and confident that we're going to have the resources to went this election. the momentum is behind us. and i'm very confident that the more people who look at the difference between senator rubio and myself, the easier this election's going to be. senator rubio made it clear he doesn't want this job. he doesn't like the job. he's got the worst voting attendance record in nearly 50 years. i'm proud of my accomplishments in the house. i want to work across the aisle to get things done for the people of florida. proud of my 97% voting record. he's being sponsored by the koch brothers and others, giving him millions and millions of dollars per week. as you just said in that poll, we are neck and neck in a
toss-up race against senator rubio, and i'm very confident we're going to win this election. >> we've seen a lot of extraordinary newspaper endorsements because of donald trump. miami herald is doing that in your race. they endorsed new this race, marco rubio for this seat last time around. this time, they said mr. trump's candidacy is a test of character. and senator rubio is failing that test. i just wanted to run some video of marco rubio explaining that if he makes it back to the senate, he will actually be working in opposition to a president trump if there is a president trump. let's listen to this. >> i don't agree donald and the nominee of my party on many issues, so i imagine on certain issues, if he's elected, you're going to have congressional republicans who are going to be push being the country potential any a different direction than a republican president. >> what's your reaction to that,
congressman murphy. >> as i said in a debate. if you can't stand up to donald trump as a senator, there's no way you can stand up to him as a president. here he is endorsing him. if that's not bad enough, he doubled down on his endorsement of donald trump after it's clear that donald trump is a sexual predator. and marco rubio stands by his side, despite all of that? showing he will continue to put his own political ambition in front of what's best for florida. and that's what frustrates so many voters and floridianflorid. >> thank you very much for joining us on this busy campaign day for you. really appreciate it. >> thank you. up next. what's going to happen the day after the election? if donald trump loses, will his supporters take to the streets? with their guns, maybe? to try to take back the government? will they try for what they call
a second amendment solution to the rigged election? i'll tell you why i think you will have nothing to be afraid of in this country the day after the election. that's next. ♪ ♪ ♪ look out honey... the highly advanced audi a4. ♪ ♪ ain't got time to make no apologies... ♪
far he has spent $56 million, which is really a tiny amount of money for a real billionaire to spend on a presidential campaign. one of the many reasons i never thought donald trump would run for president is that i've always known that he couldn't afford it. i've always said that he's not a real billionaire, and running for president costs $1 billion. president obama spent $1.1 billion on his last campaign. mitt romney spent just over $1 billion on the last republican presidential campaign. there's 17 days left in the campaign, and donald trump still hasn't spent anything close to $100 million of his own money. and he always claimed that if he ran tfor president he would nevr have to raise any money and would just spend his own. and he continued to claim that after he announced his candidacy. >> i'm using my own money. i'm funding my campaign. by the way, i'm self-funding my campaign. i'm self-funding, putting up my
own money, folks. >> donald trump's most ar depde followers no longer believe him about self-financing his campaign. they now know he was lying about that. and he reminds them that he was lying about that every single day. in their e-mail inboxes, every day, they get constant reminders from donald trump himself, that he was lying to them about being able to pay for his own presidential campaign. donald trump begs them for money, every day. here's what he sent them the day after the debate. friend, last night it was us against the world, and we won. we showed the world that our country can once again be run by the american people not with special interests, not the h lobbyists. today is our opportunity to show the media, to show hillary, to show the world what's coming on november 8.
please make a contribution to help us surge in the polls after last night's debate. we must cut through the noise to deliver our message straight to the american voter. the future of our country depends upon it. please make a contribution . thank you donald trump. if the future of our country depends upon it, why wouldn't super man save us with his own money? why wouldn't donald trump shell out one of his many billions to pay for his presidential campaign? because he can't afford it. because he's not a billionaire. he's just a poor little millionaire. and his most devoted followers know that. if you've lived long enough, someone you love has lied to you. friend, a son, a daughter. boyfriend. parent, wife, husband.
that kind of lie hurts. it hurts so much that we don't want to face it. some of us then try to pretend that we weren't lied to. some of us do all sorts of things to try to avoid facing that we've been lied to. and you can see trump voters going through that all the time. if you've been lied to about something that is central to your relationship to that person, one of the foundational building blocks of your love for that person, something happens to the relationship when you discover that lie. >> you are the problem. >> can i ask you something? >> you are the problem. >> of all of the candidates, name one who had a $1 million judgment against him. >> name one -- >> donald trump -- >> self-funded. >> imagine how that guy feels tonight. donald trump is self-funded. most important thing he wanted to say about donald trump that day to ted cruz.
now he knows that donald trump was lying to him. about being self-funded. he gets an e-mail about that lie every day. he might try to rationalize it somehow if he was talking to ted cruz about it again or to a clinton supporter, but deep down, in his heart, he knows that one of the things he loved most about donald trump, the thing he loved most about donald trump was a lie. how do you think that guy's going to feel the day after the election if donald trump loses? you think he's going to grab a gun and run into the streets and join a revolutionary war for donald trump? you think he's going to start rioting? i don't. i think he's going to think that the liar he voted for, for president this time, lost again. in my experience, talking to trump supporters out there in the country, whenever i mention an obvious lie that donald trump
tells, they always say the same thing, every one of them says the same thing. they all lie. all politicians lie. that's their defense of donald trump lying. their defense is not donald trump doesn't lie. their defense is that they all lie. all politicians lie. most republicans think donald trump is lying when he says that all the women who've accused him of sexual assault are liars. only 23% of republicans think donald trump probably has not made unwanted sexual advances toward women. trump voters know donald trump's a liar. they're not going to go to war for a liar. if donald trump doesn't concede defeat when the votes are counted. >> as i hope he doesn't, he will leave a very clear marker for historians that he was unlike any other candidate in our history. if he doesn't concede defeat, he
will not do any harm to american democracy, american democracy does not need donald trump's approval. american democracy is enshrined in a constitution stronger than any of the walls in washington. it is not made of granite. it is made of words. words written by men who were wiser than donald trump. words that are now upheld today by women and men who are wiser than donald trump and stronger than donald trump. i want donald trump to continue to behave as consistently as possible with who he actually is. i don't want him to try to pretend that he is not a racist or not a sexist or not someone who brags about sexual assault. i don't want him to pretend that he has any of the decency of all of the men who have come before
him, the men who came in second in the race for the presidency. i want him to permanently separate himself from them, in history, by refusing to concede defeat, by being the sorest loser in the history of american politics. if donald trump refuses to admit defeat and calls for arms for voters to take to the streets with or without their guns to take back their government, trump voters won't do it. the day after the election, win or lose, trump voters will take their kids to school, they will go to their jobs, pay their rent, pay their mortgages, get on with their lives and ignore everything donald trump says, including the e-mail that they are sure to get from donald trump begging for money to pay
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happy, and at least i will have known, win, lose or draw, and i'm almost sure, if the people come out, we're going to win. but i will be, i will be happy with myself, because i always say, i don't want to think back, if only i did one morae rally, would have won north carolina by 500 votes instead of losing it by 200 votes, right? if only i did. so i never, ever want to look back, i never want to say that about myself. >> so there's the winner donald trump pondering how he's going to feel if he loses. if he loses north carolina by 200 votes. as of tonight, he's losing north carolina by tens of thousands of votes. hillary clinton's polling at 50, donald trump is polling at 48,
confronting internal revolt over the house health care bill and his unsubstantiated claim that president obama wiretapped phones at trump tower. >> a lot of americans need to know. >> reporter: amid this turmoil, fbi director james comey could confirm today whether the bureau is investigating ties between trump's campaign and russia. leaders of a senate judiciary subcommittee also hopeful comey will also respond to their request to provide evidence regarding the wiretapping acquisition. >> they're about to screw up big time if they keep running to the intel committee and not answer that letter. >> reporter: earlier this week sean spicer qualified trump's accusation, but now he's sounding defiant. >> he feels very confident it will ultimately come of this, it will vindicate him. >> reporter: lawmakers on both sides of the aisle showing growing frustration about the white house's failure to provide any evidence to support trump's extraordinary claim. >> i think, frankly, the
administration should come forward with whatever proof they have. leveling a charge like that is a huge deal. >> you do not make those kinds of allegations, criminal allegations against a former president as he did so recklessly. >> reporter: this as the white house battles criticism from gop conservatives and moderates over the trump endorsed health care plan following the release of the non-partisan congressional budget office report estimating 24 million more americans will be uninsured by 2026 under the gop's replacement plan. >> right now i'm a firm no. i candidly don't see how we get to 216. >> i'm concerned. that's not what president trump promised. that's not what republicans ran on. >> reporter: one top gop source saying, quote, headlines are terrible, fraying nerves within the gop. >> reporter: republican senator lisa murkowski refusing to
allegations, russia on mind. the man on your screen, republican senator lindsey graham of south carolina. he's a member of the judiciary and armed services committees. you will get face time with james comey, the director of the fbi today. you have criticized that the fbi has not been forthcoming enough to your liking. >> number one, director comey will not appear before the judiciary committee. he's not a witness. we have four people who will talk about what russia does all over the world to interfere with democracies, the tools in their tool box. we wrote a letter, senator white dlooes house and myself wanting to know if there's evidence of a warrant issued by the trump campaign. he hasn't answered that letter or confirmed if there's a trl investigation of the trump campaign. he needs to answer the letter and give the nation some information about what's going on here. >> three things. one, i thought he was coming today before the judiciary committee to say whether or not he's investigating ties between russia and the trump
administration. that's not true? >> no. there's a misunderstanding here. two weeks ago we met with director comey, senator whitehouse and myself. i told him by the 15th of march i'd like to know if there's a criminal investigation because i'm about to launch a congressional investigation of russia. i don't want to interfere with your investigation. i think it's very important that congress know whether or not there's a criminal investigation so that what we're doing doesn't interfere with what comey may be doing. if there's not a criminal investigation of the trump ties to russia, i think the country needs to know it, congress needs to know it, and he has never promised to answer that quest n question. chairman grassley said something very important yesterday, that he would be willing to block the deputy attorney general's nomination until director comey gave us the information we sought regarding warrants and investigations. >> so nothing could happen today in terms o of the fbi.
he may decide not to come forward. you're saying he's not on the plan and hasn't answered your letter. >> so what we would do next is subpoena the information. i like director comey. he's in a bad spot here. you have the current president accusing the former president of basically having his campaign surveilled. the way you would do that is get a warrant either through the fisa court or a criminal court. i want to get to the bottom of it. the fbi would know if a warrant was issued, they would know if a warrant was applied for. i want to answer that question. if they do not provide the answer to that letter we wrote in a bipartisan fashion, there will be a bipartisan subpoena following the fbi. >> hold on a second. you gave the fbi until the ides of march, march 15th -- i don't know if that was intentional. that was a dramatic play. if he does not come before the committee today, if he does not fond to the letter, you'll subpoena the fbi. >> i never asked him to appear in person today. i like comey. i think he's a good man.
i want to know -- don't you want to know if there's a criminal investigation of the trump campaign? >> yeah. >> don't you want to know if there's a warrant issued? >> you will subpoena the fbi, is that what you're saying? >> i will subpoena the information requested in the letter with the support of my chairman senator grassley who has been terrific. the n rahhinging democrat is senator feinstein. they have helped senator whitehouse and myself. congress is going to flex its muscles. the president of the united states asked congress to look into this as to whether or not the trump campaign was surveilled during the 2016 election by the federal government. i'm going to get to the bottom of it. if it needs a subpoena to get there, that's what we'll do. >> the subpoena would be for the wiretapping, not for information about any evidence linking russian interference to anybody in the trump orbit? >> you got it. we want to know if a warrant was ever issued, the information provided to the judge or judges in question, what did you give
them? did they give you a warrant? i want to know that. that's the letter which would be backed up by subpoena. the question is there an active investigation of the trump campaign regarding their ties to russia? no one has ever told me there is. director of national intelligence clapper said a couple weeks ago on his watch there was no evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and the russians. so i want to know that this has been raised by the current president, i think congress should look into all things russia. if there's a criminal investigation, chris, i don't want to get in the middle of that, because that should be protected. >> that's why you're not going to include it in the subpoena. >> right. >> you also implied that you don't think there's anything to the wiretapping allegation. you think the president put it out as a distraction. you've been one of the proponents of the simple logic is he should pick up the phone. jim comey is not going to duck him the way he's ducking you. that's his boss.
he could know the information right away and declassify the information. is that true? >> number one, i don't know if the president can pick up the phone and ask questions about an investigation of his campaign. the bottom line is people have asked the president to deliver any information you have, the trump people, about what may have occurred. they've given us nothing. i've seen no evidence of collusion between the trump campaign and russia. i've seen no evidence of a wiretap being requested by the department of justice, a warrant. but the longer it takes to answer my letter, the more concerned and si suspicious i'm beginning to be. >> i think the law is fairly clear. whether she should is an ethical consideration. you can talk about that all day. >> it might be legal, too, actually. so i don't know. >> the flip side of it is this. people say you keep talking about the russian connections and contacts and there's nothing there. clapper came out and said there's no proof of collusion. comey has not jumped at the
chance to tell you what he's doing with any russian investigation. this is about political hate directed towards the president. >> i don't have political hate directed towards the president. i've talked to him twice in the last week, had great conversations about health care and national security. but the president raised this issue a week or so ago saying he believed his campaign was wiretapped by the former president. there would be a way to find that out. once you raise it, you've got to answer the question. is there a warrant? was a warrant ever issued by any judge anywhere in america to allow the trump campaign to be wiretapped? i'm going to find the answer to that. if there is a criminal investigation on going regarding the trump campaign and their ties to russia, i want to know. i'm going to pursue all things russia because here is what i do know, the russians tried to interfere with our election. i don't think they changed the outcome. it wasn't a 400-pound guy sitting on his bed who hacked into the dnc. it was russian intelligence services. they took that information, gave it to wikileaks and tried to
basically embarrass secretary clinton, and if we don't stop russia, it could be iran and china tomorrow. it could be republicans on the receiving end of this. >> those are separate considerations, right? >> right. >> why they did and how they did what they did as russia, that's something everybody believes deserves inspection. whether or not trump had something to do with it is a separate inquiry. >> absolutely. >> to this point there hasn't been any proof of that. >> you're right. i have seen no hefd. i have requested whether or not any evidence exists. to get a warrant to follow the trump campaign, there's two ways you can do it, the foreign intelligence services act would allow you to follow campaign operatives if you believe they're interacting with foreign agents. the second way is a criminal warrant to follow the trump campaign if you believe they're taking services from a foreign government in violation of our campaign laws. i want to know were either of those warrants ever issued.
i don't believe they were, but the longer it takes to answer that question, the more suspicious i get. >> senator, let's get at the real question that's behind all this. you either believe what's coming out of this white house or you don't. that's something you guys are having to deal with. i know there's a lot of spin. i know what politics is. i grew up in it. >> right. >> but this is different. do you believe what's coming out of this white house on a daily basis, or do you feel that you have to check everything these days? >> well, i don't believe that the statement made by president trump that he believes the obama administration surveilled his campaign is something very, very serious. and he challenged the continue to get to the bottom of it, and i will. you can't leave that hanging. in termination of the president's efforts to reform health care, i've been impressed by how much time he's spent as a person to try to get a better bill. republicans have an opportunity to do this by ourselves. we also have an opportunity to screw it up by ourselves.
right now the house bill in my view will have a hard time getting through the senate. rand paul says he can't vote for refundable tax credits in the house bill because that's an entitlement in another name. medicaid in the house bill allows for open enrollment for another year and a half to two years, and that's a problem for me. the president is working hard to find a bill that will replace obamacare. my advice to the president, if you can't find a better plan coming from republicans, don't buy it just because the republicans want to sell it to you. let obamacare collapse, and it will. then try to replace it in a bipartisan fashion. that's what i would recommend he do. >> i want to hear from you before we let you go about why you think obamacare is going to collapse. but i want to go back to one question i didn't get an answer from you on. i said do you believe what's coming out of the white house on a regular basis. on the wiretapping allegation, i get that because the president raised it and put it on you, you have an opportunity to dig into
it. i'm asking you, just like with wiretapping which you don't seem to buy, do you feel that has become part of the normal now which is, they say things that aren't necessarily true which you have to check up on? >> well, i think every president says things sometimes that doesn't work out. this was at another level. i never heard this before -- >> he accused the president of a felony, called him a bad or sick man. >> right. >> he didn't seem to base it on fringe reporting. >> right. i want to make sure that the accusation that the former president was involved in surveilling the current president is put to bed forever. as to this president, i had a good conversation about how to rebuild the military. we're talking closely about health care, how you can put an infrastructure bill together. i want to work with president trump. it's not a credibility problem other than this one issue to me has to be solved. >> we'll leave the deeper discussion about health care to another day when we understand
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after a pretty brutal cbo analysis, more republicans are demanding changes to the house gop plan to replace obamacare. how do these two plans actually stack up against one another? let's talk about this with two experts, former health and human services secretary under president george w. bush tommy thompson as well as former acting administrator for the centers for medicare and medicaid services, andy slovet. nice to have you here. governor thompson, i want your response as someone who is very supportive of this bill. i assume you agree with spicer that this is the one shot that the republicans have to undo obamacare. but here is how republican senator tom button sees it.
>> i believe he is behind it. >> there is no three-step plan. that is political talk, some mythical legislation in the future that is going to garner democratic support and help us get over 60 votes in the senate. if we had those democrat it votes, we wouldn't need three steps. >> you know, senator lindsey graham said to chris moments ago that he would advise the president not to buy a republican plan just because republican plans are selling it to him. his advice would be, if this isn't the right plan, let obamacare collapse and then do something about it. why do you think it's the wrong assessment? >> i'm not saying it's the wrong assessment. i'm saying we're just starting the process. there is a great opportunity to make a bill that will work well for the american public. that's why i have the full confidence in paul ryan and the republicans getting it accomplished. the bill now is going to be the bill that will end up on the
president's desk. everyone knows that. it's going through the trek, the traverses of congress. it's going to take a lot of amendments, a lot of concessions. that's going to come. the same way the obamacare bill, if you remember back -- obamacare was written by speaker pelosi in the house and henry reid harry reid in the senate. they had to pat another bill three months later in order do make the bills work and gave the power to the secretary of health. all that is going to take place. we've got a great chance to make this bill a very good bill. >> i hear you, but that often takes time. what we're hearing right now is this urgency, this expediency that's needed so this can get done by the end of april, so broader tax reform can get done by the end of august. would you say to your fellow republicans slow down? >> i would say let's improvem t improvement. let's see how we can make this bill better. there are tremendous
opportunities to improve for more people. it's the same way with all legislation, it takes a long time to get a good piece of legislation through both houses. this is a controversial subject. health care is very, very complex. >> it is complex and it takes a long time. you're hearing from the white house and other republicans we don't have that time right now. andy, let me bring you into this. you ran two of these big agencies, the centers for medicare and medicaid. when you look at what needs to happen to get something that works for the american people, you need the insurance companies to play ball, to be happy and stay on board. part of the fundamental crisis for families with obamacare, they can't afford it. not enough young people got into the risk pool and you had big providers like humana and aetna pulling out. in some places folks only had one option to buy their individual coverage. how do you change things for the insurer so you don't have aetna
saying we pulled out because we saw more than $430 million losses in this since 2014. >> i think you have to evaluate what does this bill actually do. it does a come things. it instantly drives the cost up by an additional 15 to 20% by taking away some of the things that drove the healthy people into the market in the first place. it sends it the wrong direction. as a result of that, 14 million people will lose coverage, scheduled to go to 24 million. on top of that, you have the basic program that covers seniors, people with disabilities, people with low incomes slash by about 25% to pay for a tax cut. it's hard to figure out how to get some place better from those starting points. i think the insurers look at that and say you're taking away the major protection, the individual mandate that's
causing people to get into the market and drive more healthy people into the market, this is not going to head in the right direction. >> i hear you, but that doesn't answer my question as to how does this plan -- how do you believe, andy, you would fix the fundamental problem with obamacare? >> i think the thing that, if you go back and look at the aca and look at what improvements can be made, there are some. i think one of the major things we've learned is people above 400% of poverty level in certain states have had their costs go up too much. there's -- you've got to fix that surgically. you don't start that by starting from scratch. you fix that by extending subsidy levels higher, extending the reinsurance which worked in the first several years of the a krnchtsa aaca. 2015 about $8 to $10 billion intended to stabilize rates was taken out by congress.
that drove the costs up. that's responsible for some of the lack of competition we have. easy to fix. i think this cbo report and s &p have both said the market is moving to a place of stability. if we change our thinking and get focused on surgical changes, we can get there. >> we're out of time, gentlemen, thank you for joining us, you'll both be back. >> we need to be bipartisan, and the rates are going down in the republican plan, not under obamacare. >> going down in a few years, up the next two to three years. thank you very much. we will have you back, i promise. up against a break. >> thank you. >> also tonight, a big thing you're going to want to watch. join wolf blitzer and dana bash for a live town hall with hhs secretary tom price on the gop's health care plan. the trup white house is trying to delegitimize judges, the media, the ng co-al budget office. is it working? we have two key players from the
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after anything that attacks the trump administration. now the congressional budget office, they're being attacked by the trump administration for their report scoring the gop's current health plan. this is not the first time. several institutions have been taken on since the early days of the presidency, even before, federal judges, the media for sure, intelligence agencies. cnn political commentator jason miller, former communications at visor for the trump campaign is with us. good to have you with us. >> good morning. >> karen finney, former senior adviser and senior spokesperson for hillary for america. i always enjoyed having both of you on during the campaign. you like to get after it. let's do it now. we'll get to these institutions. for one quick headline, it is circulating around. we are not saying it. i cannot prove it. it says client copy on these self-serving couple of pages from the 2005 taxes, paint a
good picture of trump. fueled speculation did he have thing to do with the leak. there are others on morning tv going much farther and saying it's painfully obvious he leaked it. you know everyone around him. do you think there's a chance this happened? >> not at all. i think this is a complete joke to make a crazy allegation like this. further, i think it goes for journalist whose are making such claims, it really is a knock on people who are out there doing good work in journalism and fighting for free press. i think this makes people at home look at and say how much can i believe of what i'm seeing on tv or reading in the newspapers. >> in fairness, it wasn't coming from a journalist, but a pundit. you have to know what you show, make your case. that's why this show tries to distinguish itself this way. let's go to the overall strategy. you don't like what i say, mail her, you tell me i'm fake news. you come after the media as the opposition, the enemy. you don't like the judge, you go after judges as not having the
constitutional authority. you don't like the cbo, you say it stinks. does that work and why do it as a strategy? >> i think speaking purely in communication terms, there's a bit of working the refs when you're pushing back on stories that you think are inaccurate or aren't fair. i think, too, when we're talking specifically about the administration, if you look back, this is a tough campaign, tough transition period to the leading and governing and there's been a lot of unfair coverage leveled towards this president, this administration and they'll push back and set the record straight. they can't always rely on the media to do it for them. i think they're looking at doing some of that on their own. >> finney, negative coverage is not necessarily unfair coverage. >> true. >> how you go back at coverage matters, also. what is your criticism of the, i'm not only saying your story is wrong, i'm thinking any institution that disagrees with me is corrupt strategy. >> i think going to the premise
when you introduce this segment, what we've seen from the trump administration is, if a fact is something we don't like, then it's fake, it's falls. in an institution like the cbo puts out a report with numbers we don't like, then we attack it. in and of itself for the cbo to say 24 million people will lose their health care coverage in the next decade, that is not an attack. that is actually a finding. i think that's really the distinction. i think what we're seeing from the trump administration here, and i will say i think sean spicer does a valiant job, jason just did with the verbal gymnastics trying to put the best face on it. there are facts that matter. i think, number one, mr. trump likes to put things out there to deflect from the actual topic, like the need for a true independent investigation into potential ties to russia. for example, on the a tax returns, creating drama around
the potential of who actually leaked it, that's not what's important. what's important is that what we've learned from the tax returns is we don't see the schedules which are the attachments, so we don't know where the money comes from. >> we didn't really get the return. >> he's now created this scenario where people are running to the shiny object about who leaked it. >> we know the two pages that came out were marked anonymous. it was odd for the president to tweet about it saying who is this reporter. the guy won the pulitzer prize for reporting on taxes from "the new york times." not exactly a nobody. >> to the main point, does it work and is that enough of a justification, a line you shouldn't cross in delegitimizing critics. >> absolutely. >> there's oulz going to be a level of where you can push back and where you can't. that's a judgment called based on the situation. talking about the cbo scoring
for a moment, they were off by 13 million when they were scoring obamacare. >> on one aspect and specific problems they highlighted. who runs it now is a man that secretary price said all these great things about. now they're attacking. >> you're not disagreeing they were off by 13 million. >> they were off but there were reasons for it that they laid out. >> you see my point. the administration sees those numbers and they disagree. they think what they're doing with their bill will increase competition -- >> instead of saying that, they say the cbo is consistently wrong is what spicer said. he offered no proof of the pattern of era by the cbo. they got things right about obamacare as well. and in a story he called false and misleading, without proof again, from politico, they did their own internal analysis to look at what the cbo did and it came out the same, actually worse. >> that was modeling off trying to predict -- >> he called it false and
misleading. the head of the omb came on and said -- >> if they're not the ones out there pushing back, no one is going to do it for them. >> how you push back is what mattersment finney last quick word. i've got to go. >> here is the point. the more donald trump and his administration put out untruths and pray on the declining faith that people have in their institutions anyway, they're preying on that and manipulating that. that's bad for the country. at some point people are going to realize donald trump is spending more time protecting his own image and attacking people he doesn't like and congress, like you just had with lindsey graham is going to have to spend more time and money trying to track down whether or not these things are true rather than creating jobs, and rather than taking care of people. >> when people are throwing out crazy conspiracy theories like this russia nonsense. >> it's not nonsense. there's plenty of evidence. >> karen finney, jason miller. you have to be careful about who
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time for "the bottom line." president trump's tax returns have come to light this morning kind of, like two pages from 2005. they don't answer a lot of questions, but with so many pressing issues facing the white house right now like health care, like the russia cloud, is this all just a distraction. let's get to cnn political analyst mark preston. still a lot of talk about where sthe these tax returns, two page, came from. the journalist who received them, david k. johnson earlier this morning, i ask could this have come from the president. he said, yeah, it could have. what's your bottom line. what do you take away from what we've learned or haven't learned. >> one, 12 years ago, they don't tell us anything. it's two pages. it tells us how much he made and how much he paid in taxes.
a very good story for president trump in the sense that it has focused the attention away from some of his problems, as you mentioned right now, the health care bill which is on life support right now in congress. in fact, we'll see president trump in tennessee today pushing forward and trying to get support. in addition to that, as chris just spoke a short time ago with lindsey graham, lindsey graham says we may hear from fbi director comey whether there's any investigation -- >> if not, what did he say he's going to do? >> use subpoena power. >> subpoena information. >> which is a very big term for our viewers out there, very big term specifically when you're talking about the legislative branch going to the executive branch -- >> sub company, punishment. it's saying you have to come in. >> company the political play on these taxes. seems like you gave it to trump two ways. one is this is a good reckoning for him. he didn't pay as much in taxes
as some might like. who pays more taxes than they have to. and this buffoonry saying he put them out. now you're giving an opening for him to say fake news. no evidence he put them out. >> we've seen in the past that, in fact, if i was one of his advisers, i wish i would have come up with diversion nair tactic. >> there's no proof it came to him. it says client copy. >> there never will be any specific proof, i don't think we'll ever find that out. it has steered the conversation away from what his problems are at this point and we saw his son last night go on twitter, and in all his supporters, if you look on social media, all the supporters were saying, look, donald trump gave us his taxes. guess what? he didn't give his taxes, ghaef taxes from 12 years ago. >> he didn't give us anything. he's going to say, you heard what preston said, he said i did it. where is the proof?
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every single president and every single vice president has been audited by the irs every year of their time in office. and they all still routinely release their tax returns to the public every year so that excuse from trump and the trump campaign never made sense. being under audit is excuse for not releasing your tax returns as a candidate or certainly as president. also, the audit excuse never made sense for his past tax returns. even if donald trump wanted to release nothing under current audit, well, what about years for which the audits are completed and closed? any year of his taxes before, say, 2008, any year that was audited before then, those years presumably would be done being audited by now. those would be closed. so why not release those earlier tax returns even if you don't want to release the current ones for which there isn't an excuse not to do anyway? whether or not you are a supporter of donald trump in
general, whether or not you care what's in his tax returns, it ought to give you pause that his explanation for why he couldn't release them, why he has to make history by being the first person in decades to hold this office without releasing them, it ought to give you pause that his explanations have never made any factual sense. think about it. the "i'm under audit" excuse makes no sense. and if the "i'm under audit" excuse doesn't make sense, what does explain why the president hasn't released tax returns? when you get an excuse from them that doesn't make sense, you have to look for another reason. the stated explanation here makes no sense. what's the reals plan natio s . well, choose your owned a ventu venture. here's an example, a home donald trump purchased for $40 million in 2004, less than four years
later a russian oligarch paid him almost $100 million for that same house. could trump tax returns shed light on whether any reasonable outlay of expenses on trump's part might explain why somebody would suddenly want to pay donald trump more than double what he paid for that property after only a few years at a time when housing prices were dropping and not rising? if this wasn't just some russian oligarch dumping almost $60 million into donald trump's pocket for no discernible reason, couldn't trump tax returns clear that up? wouldn't trump's taxes show whatever reasonable real estate inflow and outflow might explain what really does look like a bizarre dump of tens of millions of dollars of russian money into donald trump's coffers? right at a time when donald trump owed tens of millions of dollars to deutsche bank and deutsche bank was breathing down his neck to get it. that russian oligarch who spent that money on that property and never moved into it and
ultimately tore it down, he's also a large shareholder in a bank called the bank of cyprus which has been implicated in russian money laundering. the chairman of the bank of cyprus is the former ceo of deutsche bank to which donald trump owed all that money at the time he conveniently got this very large influx of cash from a russian guy. the vice chairman of that bank until recently was our new secretary of commerce, long time trump friend wilbur ross. couldn't the tax returns sort this out for us? if there are inexplicable dumps of foreign money into the president's coffers, that cannot be explained in normal business terms, that's potentially a huge problem for some servings president of the united states, right? i mean, the interest in trump's tax returns is not a picayune thing, it's not a partisan thing. if people, if interests have inexplicably given him a lot of
money in recent years, why did they do it? what do they want for that money now? is the president in a position where we need to watch to make sure he is not paying off his past benefactors with our country's resources with u.s. policy, with decisions he can make as president? that's part of why we need to see hiss t tax returns. and i raise this issue of the particular russian oligarch, dimitry rybolyev, i raise him as an example because we haven't had any meaningful financial disclosures, any tax returns from the president and because of that this russian oligarch is one of the continuing sources of intrigue about whether our president now has foreign ties that could conceivably be motivating his actions as president and i say it's ongoing concerns because it's ongoing concerns. not just interesting stuff that happened in his past that we have to worry about in the past. during the presidential
campaign, his private plane was spotted at least twice at local airports when donald trump campaign events were happening nearby at least once his plane was spotted alongside donald trump's campaign. he insists that is a coincidence but the "palm beach post" reports this weekend rybolovlev's yacht was parked alongside the yacht owned by robert mercer, the single largest backer of the trump for president effort, the single largest financial backer of breitbart and the person who installed kellyanne conway and steve bannon at the top of the trump campaign after paul manafort was fired for his ties to russia and the campaign. dimit dimit dimitry rybolovlev denies he has anything to do with donald trump or mercer, other than the price he paid for that house.
but the people of the united states need to know if you have unexplained sources of income, particularly of income that has a foreign or gin. hence the need to know. has he received loans from foreign sources? one of the things you have to declare on your u.s. federal taxes is whether you have paid taxes in foreign countries. does the president have foreign bank accounts? if so, which banks? the more i know about the bank of cyprus, for example, the more i want to know about whether there are other ties, other trump ties to that troubled bank aside from his hand-picked commerce secretary and the guy who inexplicably paid him that money for that house and the newly installed chairman from the bank that holds more of his debt than any financial institution. when the president and his administration moved to fire all of the u.s. attorneys all of a
sudden on friday no warning get out, you're done by midnight, the preet bharara firing in new york was of note and particular concern because president trump and attorney general jeff sessions had both previously told preet bharara he could hold that job. they did a u-turn on that, which is strange because of baoffice. his office is looking at a case with deutsche bank. the office has jurisdiction over trump tower and the trorgump organization. ethics watchdogs wrote to preet bharara to see if he was seiffiseiff i -- sevening money through his business. if he is, that would be unconstitutional. two days after receiving that letter from those ethics watchdogs groups asking him to look into that possibility,
preet bharara was told to resign. when he refused, he was fired. these are the reasons people want to see his tax returns. what is his relationship with deutsche bank? what is his relationship with foreign sources of income. is he receiving any money through his business from foreign sources? is he receiving any money through his business or through any of his real estate deals that can be traced back to foreign governments? i mean, his tax returns should show any income he has received from investment partnerships, this strange-shaped building was a trump project in azerbaijan where the trump organization partnered with family members of a notoriously corrupt azerbaijani government official who also has had business ties to the iranian revolutionary guard. the president's tax returns are of interest because if he has received income from foreign sources, as he did in that
azerbaijan deal, the origin of that income may have national security implications. if by any chance it follows those same contours back to the iranian revolutionary guard, which is a sanctioned organization in this country because of its links to global terrorism. the unanswered questions around michael flynn, the fired former national security adviser, he last week retroactively registered as a foreign agent. he declared retroactively that he worked during the campaign and during the transition as a lobbyist for the interests of the government of turkey. we still don't understand why the trump administration hired him to be national security adviser after they were advised that he was working for a foreign power. we still do not understand their cage yness around flynn and his firing. the white house said they fired flynn because he lied to the vice president but they didn't fire him until almost three weeks after they learned about
those lies. we still have no idea why the vice president says he was completely unaware that flynn was on the turkish government payroll. because he, as head of the transition, was repeatedly notified about it, including by flynn's own lawyers, so why would he say now that he had no idea, he'd never heard of it until this past week? what explains the trump administration's cageyness around michael flynn and specifically around michael flynn's financial ties to turkey? well, you know what? it would be helpful to see the tax returns. i mean, what kind of income as trump towers istanbul provided to president trump through his business? is any of that income for the president from the turkish government? did turkey have a financial relationship with the president? do they continue to have a financial relationship with the president? is there anything about the president's financial and business entanglements that is potentially driving presidential actions around the issue of turkey, the unexplained
questions and cageyness that is yet to be explained around the issue of michael flynn and his firing there are definite ly personality-driven and petty reasons to seek the president's tax returns. is he not as rich as he says he is? is he not as charitable as he says he is? was he, in fact, under audit when he was using that as an excuse to not release his tax returns? was that worse than just a bad excuse? was he really being audited? there's small reasons to be interested, right? but whether it's for small reasons or big reasons, there has been an unrelenting demand for people to see his tax returns. more than a million people have signed a petition demanding he release his tax returns. in 19 states, legislation has been filed that would keep him off the ballot in 2020 unless he releases his tax returns before the reelection campaign. on tax day this year, next month
in chicago, activists are raising money right now to fly a 16-foot inflatable chicken with trump's hairdo over their tax day protest as a helium balloon demanding the president stop being so chicken about releasing his tax returns. literally today in missouri these protesters were outside senator roy blunt's office demanding that the president release his tax returns. that sign in the front there says "is your refund listed in u.s. dollars or rubles?" there's a reason people want to see his tax returns. there's a reason there are decades of precedent for presidential candidates all releasing them. there is genuine curiosity as to whether they will bear out what he has said about himself in terms of his income. honestly, there's genuine concern as to whether he will pursue tax policies that are designed to benefit himself and his family -- which we won't know about until we've seen his tax returns. therare also concerns just
about bookkeeping. there's reason for concern about his fec financial disclosure form, which is all we have about him, there are indications in the paperwork that he may have given wildly inflated valuations of the worth of his golf course properties abroad. when you compare what he said in the fec document versus tax filings he made on his properties in the uk where he declared them all as losing money. incidentally, lying to the fec is a crime for which you can go to prison for five years. but concerns about whether he might have lied or misrepresented his own financial circumstance during the campaign, concerns about whether or not he might have misstated things to the fec with all of that there looms over all of this the big national security worry, right? the big almost existential worry, the greatest concern, the
worry that this president may be financially beholden to an individual, to an institution, to a country. and now that he's president, we won't know if he tries to use the resources and power of our country to pay off that entity to whom he is beholden. we can't know any of that without getting his tax returns. that's why presidents release their tax returns. that's why there will continue to be unrelenting pressure to find donald trump's tax returns, to expose donald trump's tax returns and that pressure will remain every single day he remains as president unless and until he releases them, the pressure will never let up. and that's why somebody has decided to leak a portion of his 2005 tax return which is how and why we got it tonight and i'm
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aside from the numbers being large, these pages are straightforward. he paid $38 million -- looks like $38 million in taxes. he took a big write down of $103 million, more on that later. if you add up the lines for income he made more than $150 million in that year, mazel tov. we got this document today from a pulitzer prize winning investigative journalist who's better than anyone in the business, his name is david cay johnston. these pages turned up in his mailbox. david will join us live here in just a moment. but because nobody has had the president's taxes before, we didn't know what to expect when we showed this 2005 return to the white house to ask them if it's real. we sent this over to the white house tonight and the white house responded basically with "yup." i'm going to read you the white house statement on this.
"before being elected president, mr. trump was one of the most successful businessmen in the world with a responsibility to his company, his family, and his employees to pay no more tax than legally required. that being said, mr. trump paid $38 million even after taking into account large-scale depreciation for construction on an income of more than $150 million as well as paying tens of millions of dollars in other taxes such as sales and excise taxes and employment taxes and this illegally published return proves just that. despite the substantial income figure and tax paid, it is totally illegal to steal and publish tax returns." that was the white house statement. for the record, we have a first amendment right to publish this return. it's not illegally published. nor are we fake. pinch me, i'm real.
but good on the white house for acknowledging the return as proof of what the president made and paid that year. here's the thing, though. a full tax return for someone like donald trump would be a lot longer than o pages that we have here. there are all kinds of schedules and notes and attachments that could be involved all containing information about the president and his money. why will he not release his taxes, his full taxes the way other presidents have done? why not let the public see the information for themselves. we have obtained this, but this is all we've got. this tells us something but he still has disclosed, apparently willingly disclosed nothing compared to all other modern presidents. joining us is david cay johnston, editor and founder of dcreport.org which posted this a few moments ago, he's the author of "the making of donald trump" and the pulitzer prize winning
financial reporter who found the president's 2005 returns in his mailbox. thank you for being here. >> delighted? >> congratulations on this scoop. what can you tell us about how you got these pages? >> came over the mail over the transom and there is nothing improper about journalists if you haven't solicited something, getting it over the transom. and let me point out it's entirely possible donald sent this to me. donald trump has over the years leaked things. the very sleazy girl-on-girl pictures of the first lady in the "new york post" may have come from donald. the front pages of the state tax returns we had that were sent to the "new york times" and the "new york daily news" last fall may have come from donald. donald has a long history of leaking material about himself when he thinks it's in his interests. >> do we have reason to believe that those documents you just described there were leaked by him or is it just a possibility? >> it's a possibility and it could have been leaked by someone at his direction. but with donald, you never know. donald creates his own reality
and he says things that aren't true, he says things and denies he said them. he lives in this world that isn't the world where you and i live of verifiable facts so, yes, i think i have to include that in the list of possibilities where it came from. >> when you look at this document, when you look at these numbers, obviously we don't have the supporting schedules and the sort of appendices you get in big tax returns. do these numbers seem right to you? the white house statement to us is reiterating the $150 million income number and the $38 million paid number. those numbers seem right to you? >> yes. and they fit the things we know from other public records about how donald does business. for example, the dividends he gets are primarily not what are called qualified dividends that suggest they come from not big companies like exxonmobil but privately held enterprises. they show almost no tax-exempt
interest, about $49,000, that would imply at the time maybe $900,000 of municipal bonds. not much -- lots of college professors out there my age who have $900,000 in municipal bonds. what's most important about this tax return, though, rachel, is that under the regular tax system -- we have two tax systems, well-to-do people, you and i file -- calculate our tax twice, the regular tax system and the alternative minimum tax. if we didn't have the alternative minimum tax and donald trump in writing wants to end the alternative minimum tax he would have paid taxes at a lower rate than the bottom half of taxpayers, the the poor in this country who make less than $33,000. think about that, $153 million almost of income, he would have paid a little over $5 million less than 3.5%, less than the half of taxpayers who make under $33,000. as it is, because of the
alternative minimum tax he paid $36.5 million, not the $38 the white house statement says. they're counting his self-employment tax which is payroll taxes. $36.5 million, he paid 24%. you know who pays 24% in this country? married couples with two incomes like my wife and i who make around $400,000 a year. donald trump and his wife that year made $418,000 a day. and the point of this is the top in this country, people at the top are not burdened the way we suggest. i was in -- >> let me stop you and restate some of that back to you because you're a tax expert and those of us who just pay taxes and aren't experts, i want to say back to them and see if i get it right. if there weren't the alternative minimum tax -- you can tell from this 1040, from his tax return in 2005, if there weren't an alternative minimum tax he'd be paying what percent? >> it's rht on line 44, he
woulhave paid $5.3 million, which is24% of his $152.7 million of positive income. that's in large part because he was able to say he had negative income of $103 million. >> so because he -- because there is an alternative minimum tax -- >> they disregarded most of the negative income, he had to pay more in taxes but he still got a benefit. you know why? because at the top people are supposed to be paying 35% that year, 39.6% this year. but if you're in the alternative minimum tax you only pay 28%. that's a 20% discount on your taxes. would you like a 20% discount on your taxes? that's what donald trump got here. >> so the issue that -- i mean -- i tried to lay out at the top of the show reasons why people are so interested in his tax returns. the white house has made this issue saying it's only reporters who care, people don't care, this was litigated in the election when he didn't release his tax returns and people voted
for him anyway. there are a number of reasons to be interested in his tax returns and a number of reasons why people continue to be. >> and most importantly what we don't have here which is this describes the types of income but not the sources. >> okay. >> that's what we need to know. who is the president getting money from? >> well, we need to know, a, sources of his income, whether or not he's beholden to somebody. we also need to know whether all the things he said about himself and his wealth and his charitableness and all those things are true but we also need to know if he is goi to take actions as president inerms of tax policy that are going to benefit him. >> or benefit his benefactors. >> yes. >> yes. this is a very complicated tangled issue. here's a simple question to ask. every other president has released his tax returns. we have hillary clinton and bill clinton's tax returns back to the 1970s. why is it that donald trump is so insistent that we're not to see his tax returns. there must be something heidting in his returns. i've been at this for 50 years, i started as a teenager doing investigative reporting.
every time some high-level politician wants to hide something, it turns out there's a reason they've got something to hide. there's lots of things we can think of that donald trump has to hide, including sources of income and his connections to the russian oligarchs who are essentially, rachel, a state-sponsored network of international criminals. and you've got to think about them that way and understand that's their position in the world and donald trump really is disinterpret that we don't see where his money comes from. and this is a man who we know was very deeply involved with one of the biggest drug kingpins in america, in the 1980s. he risked his casino license to show his loyalty to that man. he did business with the biggest mobsters in new york. for years he traveled with the son of the head of the reputed russian mob boss, himself a twice convicted felon, he said i wouldn't know if he was in the room even though they were together all the time traveling. and many other criminals. he has associated with them throughout his life. so it's particularly relevant for us to say where did you get the money?
>> david cay johnston is the editor and founder of dcreport.org. he obtained the 2005 donald trump tax return. can you stay with us? >> sure. >> we're going to bring chris hays into the discussion and i want to get back to the issue about the sources of trump's moneand th sourceof this document tonight. we have published this 2005 tax return from the president on maddowblog.com. we've lived to david cay johnston's extensive reporting on this on dcreport.org. david is back with us in a moment. stay with us. ooohh!! aaaahh!! uh! hooooly mackerel. wow. nice. strength and style. it's truck month. get 0% financing for 60 months plus find your tag and get $5500 on select chevy silverado pick-ups when you finance with gm financial. find new roads at your local chevy dealer.
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this is republican congressman steve knight. mr. knight has represented california's 25th district since 2015. here's congressman knight addressing his constituents at a town hall just over a week ago. >> >> i believe that president trump should release his tax returns. [ cheers and applause ] >> i believe president trump should release his tax returns. crowd goes wild. is you can see congressman knight's constituents very happy with that answer. americans overwhelmingly tell pollsters now that president trump should release his tax returns. i should mention, though, three days after congressman steve knight said that to his constituents at that town hall in his home district, three days after that he voted against forcing donald trump to release his taxes. congressman knight was one of 226 house republicans who voted in favor of keeping trump's taxes under wraps. the only republican to vote in favor of the public seeing
donald trump's tax records is this guy, walter jones of north carolina, he's the only one, the only republican for what it's worth. congressman mark sanford of south carolina, he had the courage to vote present in that vote. courage. over in the senate, there have been democratic attempts to get president trump's tax returns released through a vote in the senate but republicans have blocked those from even coming up for a vote. bottom line, though, tonight, we've got them, at least we've got two pages of them from an anonymous source through david cay johnston at dcreport.org. david joins us now along with chris hayes host of all in. thank you both for being here. david, let me ask you, in terms of what you were jt describing a moment ago about the most important thing we could learn om president trump's tax returns, the sources of his income over the years, obviouslily you got this 1040 leaked to you, we've had a few other individual pages of state
tax returns that have been seen, sent to the "new york times," you reviewed some of that for your earlier reporting on donald trump. what would we have to see? what would we hope to get in the mail if we were going to get to the meat of donald trump's potential foreign financial ties. >> you want to see the sources of income which will be shown in his business returns. he has over 500 business entities. you want to know who the partners are in those entities and what they show about the income. you want to show the interest he's paying and fees he's paying to other people to know who he's paying. we've talked about the income he has taking in, but what about people he's saying? >> and you only pay interest to people to whom you owe money. >> and who's one of the biggest places he owes money to? the communist government of china's bank of china, which is also the single biggest tenant in trump tower. i grew up in the cold war. the thought that republicans would defend the president who has been involved for 30 years with the russians, not russia,
russians, who are around putin and would be borrowing money from beijing -- >> all of which we knew before we got this tax return. chris hayes, looking at this and considering the scope of this, what's your reaction? >> two things come to mind. someone that disclosure -- there's an idea they have something to hide because they're acting like they have something to hide. it's possible disclosure could benefit them this way one. there was speculation after we got the state taxes in '95 from the "new york times" that the magnitude of the write down could have prvented paying taxes for 18 years. >> explain that. >> the 1995 taxes ow an enormous loss. that loss was able to be carried forward year after year. >> he took almost a billion dollars for a real estate loss. >> a loss he shouldn't have been able to take. he bought a tax shelter -- republicans in congress, as soon as they learned about it they shut down so there was double deduction and he got the benefits. >> but by taking that $900
million, that set him up to essentially stack that up against income income tax he might have to pay for the next 18 years and it would cancel out any income tax he had to pay. >> there was speculation he had paid nothing for 18 years. well, we have this, he paid something -- >> he encouraged that speculation. when hillary clinton said you're not paying taxes, he said because i'm smart. which is it? you did pay taxes and you're tricking us or you're not paying taxes? >> now we know, he paid over 20% taxes. >> that's right. >> we should note this is a man who has a fortune. the u.s. has never elected someone from private office and who would stand to benefit or lose from changes to the tax code he himself was pushing, for instance the current plan that is being floated would eliminate the alternative minimum tax which is responsible for him paying a whopping amount of money here so that's another reason for disclosure and the third thing i keep coming to is they are going to -- april 15 is
coming up. we're going to file our taxes, some people will file extensions. i presume the white house will file an extension and the reason i think they will is because they cannot use the audit argument with taxes they're filing now. i can guarantee you one year of donald trump's taxes that are not under audit. they are the one he is would file this year. neck not be under audit -- >> the ones he filed last year aren't under audit either. >> so that argument gets thinner and thinner and thinner and he is now reaching the frontier. >> the story here to me is that, a, we have obtained this, b, that this stuff is obtainable there has been interesting reporting that if you work at the irs it is not likely you would be able to see -- >> the president's tax returns are put in a special vault in the commissioner's office. >> really? >> and if you work at the irs and call up rachel maddow's tax returns, an inspector will be at your desk. we've seen the cia hacked.
i'll be very shocked if we see the irs hacked. they have better system. >> and knowing the security with which these things are treated, donald trump has been an adult and filing taxes for a very long time and when you file fo a mortgage, when you file to apply to different things you have to show lots of tax returns. versions of his tax returns have ended up all over the place, whether it's casino license applications, personal applications and somebody wanted this to be known. i believe this will not be the end of that. sit right there, we'll be right back. tonight we have posted donald trump's 2005 federal tax return. david cay johnston of dcreport.org is the man who obtained this. he stay with us as does chris hayes. we'll be joined by michael besh los loss to talk about the historically unprecedented nature of this. stay with us.
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refuse to release his taxes of his own accord which makes this release -- who knows where it came from -- both an interesting news development and potentially a his stohistoric one. joining us now, michael beschloss. michael, thank you for coming on the program on short notice. we appreciate you being with us. >> thanks, rachel, nice to talk. >> i tried to sum up why the release of presidential tax returns has become a main stay of our politics. why did it start with nixon? why has it stayed important since them? >> well, in the time of watergate richard nixon got into big trouble because it emerged he had back dated the gift of his vice presidential papers and taken a deduction for that, which was illegal. there were a lot of other things happening at watergate but that was one of them. and the result was people said gee it must be pretty important that in the future we looked at
the president's tax returns and as you've said since the time of jimmy carter every single president has released his tax returns every single year and there's a reason for that. the reason is so that you don't have a lot of mystery about possible sources and possible conflicts of interest. in donald trump's case, it makes you wonder whether it's worth it to him to have not released his tax returns given the kind of mystery we're seeing culminate tonight and a lot of interest in these tax returns you've got. >> michael, one of the issues that trump himself has raised when he has been repeatedly and repeatedly and repeatedly asked about his tax returns. number one, he's said people don't care about it, only reporters care about it. that's not borne out by the polling data and the persistent activism around this issue. the other issue he's raised is, yeah, yeah, it's been a tradition since nixon but it wasn't before then and i want to go back to what it was like before nixon.
was there controversy around presidential taxes, around questions of self-dealing and presidential financial disclosure before nixon that we should see as materially informing these kinds of see it informing these kinds of decisions kobe bryant. >> and those scandals and not the president and people around him were wheeling and dealing and some of them got into big legal trouble over that. in dond trump's case, we got something unusual and you and i said many times before, first president who never had military or government experience, this is someone whose career in rece recent years have been opaque. >> we have house commission that's going to be opening soon.
time is interesting as well. >> michael beschlosh is joining us on short notice tonight. thank you for your time. >> thank you, rachel. >> super interesting. >> chris hayes to your last point of the house of intelligence committee looking of potential russia ties, obviously, the big unanswered question in those investigation, did the trump campaign collude? >> yep. >> did they do along with it? did they know what russia was doing and helped them? >> we need to worry about in terms of our own going national securities. do tax returns become apart of that investigation for that reason? >> they could be. >> the point roigtight out noti what we are watching of this escalation slowly and particularly lyndsey graham in the senate generally.
richard burr and nunez have been slitt solicited. the congress have tremendous power to compel them. if those committees wanted to get to the bottom of this, they could have a fight over that. >> is it the right thing for them to go for? >> yes, absolutely. >> in the case of donald trump, we have to ask that and we have to know whether he has divide with loyalties to a form of government or governments. we should not be doing this in the intelligence committees. there should be a select bipartisa bipartisa bipartisan. do it in the open and tell people what's there and get everyone of those tax returns going back to the 1970s. >> david cay johnson, and he's
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tonight we are breaking news. we have published donald trump's tax returns from 2005. it is two pages. it is 1040 form from his federal tax returns that year. joining us now is halie jackson, halie, it is great to have you with us. i know you are only able to join us by phone. how hard have they fought from stopping something like this? >> well, what i can tell you, rachel, you have these statements on the show from the white house about this confirming some of the numbers in that tax returns. i can speak to what the president or a candidate have been pressed on on the campaign trail again during his transition and his team has been asked about this as well after the inauguration which is when will the president release his tax returns and is that going to happen?
you know there is a line from the president that's consistently been that he has not released his return that he's under audit. after the naug rinauguration, n kellyanne conway seems to say that people did not care. the president himself was asked about this. we asked him about this of his first press conference in january about whether he will release it and why would he and he said americans don't care. we asked sean spicer about it last week, the press secretary whether the president is still under audit and will he commit in releasing his 2016 tax returns when those are completed. the press secretary, he knows the president is still under audit and nothing has changed. he will follow up whether the president will release the 2016 return. i am told by white house officials today that they have not made an announcement on that. still questions remaining about
this. the president is a candidate that was not consistent of his reasoning and we have seen no change from the white house. >> correspondent halie jackson is joining us tonight. thank you very much. >> this was a little bit of a crazy night. tonight, thank you to our journalist, david cay johnson. the world is getting the first look of donald trump's tax returns. this is from the year 2005. this is a matter of trivia, this is the year that he got married to his current wife, melania. and she's listed on here. it is a joint file for the two of them. you can see the president reported more than $150 million of income that year. >> david cay johnson got this tax return in his mailbox. the white house confirmed that this return isra real and they threatened us that it is illegal
event and they were keeping it separate. with some prodding from the press, they decided to allow a few reporters in and one camera. two hours later, they changed their minds. so there's no press inside this event right now. we have no idea what the president is saying to donors, and we likely won't find out unless one of the donors tells us. >> how much is the trump hotel getting paid to host this? i know you were asking some questions about that. >> reporter: that's a great question. we have no idea who is paying for this event tonight that the president is attending. we reached out for comment, and our requests have not been answered. so it could be the rnc. it could be the re-election campaign, and it could be that the hotel donated the space. we don't know. >> is it normal for a president to hold a fund raiser for rhis re-election five months after taking office? presidents obama and bush didn't
unprecedented and remarkable in and of itself. put it all together and once again donald trump is sort of redefining how to be president. the timing is certainly noteworthy, that it is only -- he hasn't even hit the six-month mark yet and he's doing this. i went back to look at the first fund-raiser that george w. bush did in 2003, 2 1/2 years into his administration. and the first fund-raiser that barack obama did in 2011 just to see what they said. anderson, their quotes were about touting accomplishments that they had done in the first couple of years, starting to set the frame and the narrative for what they were going to campaign on for re-election. when you're not in the jb sob s months, you're far away from how the voters may think about your re-election. we won't know what donald trump says tonight because this is closed to the press, unlike his two predecessors. >> david, it's a fair bet he is
to know the details of this very important health care bill and instead he's putting his energy into spending time with people that love him, his donors and spending time doing these ral yis. t -- rallies. the rallies are also unusual to be doing in his first term. >> there have been criticisms of past administrations about campaigns never ending. this is taking it to another level. >> it is, but it shouldn't surprise any of us. he campaigned last year in ways we never seen before and lots of people thought he's breaking every rule we know about presidential politics and it works for him. so it doesn't surprise me to see him breaking these rules. on inauguration day is when he filed his re-election committee with the s.e.c. he's been doing online small dollar fund-raising, and he's done a bunch of campaign rallies, that his campaign has
which is a fund-raiser for his re-election, but if they have to rent out the hall of the president's hotel, the president and his family benefits from that financially. again, we haven't had answers about the economicing of this. >> right. we've gotten little details about this. and now we'll get fewer details. although presumably they'll have to release how much the campaign paid out for this event and they have to make sure they didn't pay too much or too little, because either could get them into trouble, because this is something that the president has a financial interest in. so if they paid too little, it could look like they were getting some sort of contribution. if they paid too much, it could look like they were trying to use money to help enrich a trump property, which enriches the family. then at a minimum, of course, even if everything is on the up and up, it's still inappropriate, because the president is using his role as
president of the united states to gain attention for a property that he enriches himself from. >> thanks. we have a lot more to talk about tonight, including the threat that dare not speak its name. what we're learning from inside the white house why there's so much resistance to addressing the russian hacking. the reporting on that ahead. and later, what did the president mean when he promised a big surprise on health care and how does it fit a pattern of promise making dating back for years before becoming president? i'm ryan and i quit smoking with chantix. everything i did circled around that cigarette when i started taking the chantix that urge just slowly diminished and it was a great and empowering feeling. along with support, chantix (varenicline) is proven to help people quit smoking. chantix reduced my urge to smoke.
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hacking the way of the future. but still, it seems little action from the white house. there seems to be out and out resistance. tonight, new reporting on why that may be. specifically who is standing in the way. sarah murray joins us now. what have you learned from inside the white house? >> reporter: anderson, speaking to multiple senior administration officials, they say they're struggling to convince president trump that russia still poses a threat to american elections. one official said there's no evidence to show that trump is engaging on the you are shoe. the president still gets a daily briefing, and that includes updates on russia. beyond that, an official said there's no paper trail, no schedules, no readouts or briefing documents, nothing to indicate the president is convening meetings on this subject the way he has with other threats, for instance, threats against the u.s. power grid. sources tell dana bash and jim sciutto that mike rogers
expressed his from yustration t lawmakers to convince president trump that russia meddled in the election. >> so top officials have called this a major threat. why is the president reluctant to address it? >> reporter: people say that president trump is having difficulty separating the investigation into russia collusion and russia meddling into the election itself. so trump sees everything regarding russia as being organized as a challenge to him. basically a move to undermine his presidency. >> has the white house responded to this at all? >> reporter: shean spicer insisted that the white house is taking action, just quietly. in a statement to cnn, spicer says the united states continues to combat on a regular basis malicious cyber activity without bragging to the media. spicer pointed to the fact that
the trump administration upheld the obama administration sanctions against russia. but sources say the white house is already trying to water down an additional package of sanctions that passed the senate and awaiting action in the house. >> sarah murray, thanks. former bush state department official nicholas burns accused the president of dereliction of duty to defend the country for his disinterest in russian meddling and criticized the obama administration. he joins me now with jim sciutto. jim, president obama did sign an order on cyber security. any evidence that he's focused directly on the threat from russia itself? >> reporter: no, little evidence that he's focused on the threat. we're hearing that from people inside his own administration. i've spoken to democrats and republicans on the hill who don't see the level of urgency
either. this is not just looking backwards but looking forward, anderson. because everybody says, not just russia, but china, iran, north korea, very actively targeting the u.s. political process, political organizations, et cetera. and there is no reason to believe that russia in particular will not attack again, and the big concern, anderson, is that this time, they will take the alarming step of targeting voter tallies. that didn't happen in 2016, but there's real concern a lot of these probing attacks or laying the ground work for going after voting systems, vote counting potentially in 2018 and 2020. >> ambassador burns, in your testimony in front of the senate intelligence committee today, you said if the president continues to refuse to act against russian hacking is a dereliction of duty to protect the country.
>> we were the victim of a massive cyber attack by the russian government. all of our intelligence services agree. for six months the president has done nothing. he has not initiated an investigation into what happened. he's not had conversations with his cabinet officials to ask them what they think happened. he's not been talking to the european governments, also victims, the french, the dutch, the germans of russian cyber attacks. he's not even in favor of a senate bill that voted to impose harsh sanctions on russia. the administration is trying to dilute that bill. so you literally have no response from the american president on a critical issue of defense of the united states and trying to protect our democratic process. i can't imagine any prior president acting this way. and so we do need to see this situation turned around. let's hope that this executive order is the first step to do that. >> jim, today secretary kelly
said hacking is the way of the future. how much can intelligence agencies drive u.s. efforts to combat that if the president isn't devoting his time to it? >> reporter: the intelligence agencies, law enforcement have been really doing all they can. they did it in private. they've been giving these warnings for months, going back to the obama administration. and then in public, you've had very public statements, fingering russia for hacking the 2016 campaign. but now public testimony, more details how many states, 21 states that have been targeted. secretary kelly, this is president trump's own appointee, sounding the alarm today. so in public and private, they are giving these warnings. this is at its base often very much a partisan issue. but i'll tell you, i hear bipartisan level of concern and increasingly a bipartisan frustration with the efforts coming from the white house so far.
>> so ambassador burns, if they had the weight of the white house behind them, how much would that change things for the intelligence community in terms of doing something? >> it would help enormously. you have to raise the defense of this country, and that's complicated. it's our states and local authorities who run the elections, so you have to have that dialogue, a federal, local, state dialogue. number two, you want to send a stiff message to the russian federation that we're not going to tolerate this kind of attack on our ore down country. you want to work with the europeans to tighten up what the nato alliance can do. you want to find and prosecute hackers. if the russian government is subcontracting this to some of the private hacking organizations in that country. there's so much that has to be done. this should have been the first executive order signed january 20th. you ought to -- they ought to
think about forming a 9/11 type commission, because there's nothing more important that the american people have confidence in their votes when they go to the ballot box, either for the midterm elections in 2018 or the next presidential election in 2020. >> thanks. coming up next, the president is promising a big surprise on the obamacare replacement bill. we'll look at what it might be, as well as his habit of telling us to stay tuned for something, and then not necessarily delivering. we're keeping them honest, next. ♪
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senate obamacare replacement bill. >> health care is working along very well. we're going to have a big surprise with a great health care package. >> what is the big surprise, sir? >> it's going to be great. >> the surprise might be the last thing people with health care might want to hear or experience. the president made a point of putting it out there, and a surprise might be coming. whether that's good or bad remains to be seen. what's clear is that donald trump enjoys telling us all to stay tuned. we've heard that phrase a lot. and keeping them honest, we've seen him fail to deliver on schedule or in some cases at all. here's a small sample. >> we're going to be announcing something over the next two or three weeks that will be phenomenal. we're going to do construction very quickly. we've got the plan largely completed and we'll be filing over the next two or three weeks, maybe sooner.
we're going to have some pleasant surprises on nafta. so she's going to have a little news conference. we'll be having a news conference in about two weeks to let everybody know how well we're doing. >> people now in hawaii -- >> absolutely. and they cannot believe what they're finding. >> we never got word on what his investigators found. there was no evidence that those investigators existed or were on the ground. fast forward to now, what the president is promising, you have to wonder whether the real surprise is there is no surprise, whether anticipation will give away to anticiappointment. joining us now is jim acosta. this "great great surprise," do
we have any idea what we might be referring to? >> reporter: we're going have to find out. if it's something like those tapes that he talked about having, which did not exist about six weeks ago, we had to wait six weeks to find out the president did not have any recordings. i am told by one republican source that the president is looking at a variety of ways to try to make this work, to get those 50 votes that he needs to get this bill out of the senate. but that same source, anderson, said it's suspected this might be another case of empty rhetoric. keep in mind, this is a health care bill. we had a number of polls come out today, all of them, if you average them together, show that this has about 20 to 25% approval among the american people. those are legislative dog food numbers. to think that you're going to have 50 republican senators, some of them up for re-election, that will sign on to this, he might be in for a big sur prize of his own, anderson. >> should we expect more effort
by the president, more face-to-face interaction with the senators, some more working the phones. we've been told he's been working the phones. >> reporter: he has been working the phones and will continue to work the phones. the question is whether or not he can make the math work and part of the issue is, anderson, and you know we've been talking about this debate for several days, can he make adjustments to the bill that satisfy moderates when it comes to medicaid funding while at the same time appeasing conservatives who really want to repeal and replace obamacare just begs the question how many times can they rinse and repeat on repeal and replace. >> jim acosta, thank you for the update. on that new polling, the most recent is from fox news, showing just 27% support, 18% say they are ensure.
th back now with david chalian. does anyone know what the president is telegraphing when he promising a big surprise on health care? >> i can't find anyone that knows. certainly the white house isn't saying. nobody on capitol hill seems to know some surprise. some republicans on the hill were feeling more optimistic today than yesterday. although there's not much evidence as to why, other than yesterday mcconnell had to reset. so it was a down day for republicans on the hill. but i can't find anyone that knows of a surprise coming. as you pointed out, anderson, donald trump has a history of being addicted to a big reveal promoting one, even if one never comes. >> although to be fair, when the house was debating this, there was a lot of talk that they weren't going to come to agreement. they did finally come to an agreement. the president could just be saying a surprise is, you know, maybe he thinks the chances
are -- that they will come to agreement and people will be surprised by that. i want to play something that susan collins said yesterday how the president is adapting to washington. let's play that. >> this president is the first president in our history who has had neither political nor military experience. and that's -- it has been a challenge to him to learn how to interact with congress and how to push his agenda forward. >> david, i think that supporters are listening to that and they like that he's not a creature of washington. to her point that he needs to be able to work with congress if he wants to accomplish his agenda, i suppose there's truth to that. >> you're absolutely right. he was sent to washington to disrupt washington and the way washington works new york doubt about that. but i would just point, if you look at the totality of the
trump presidency, i would say the cleanest victory he has had throughout his presidency is getting neil gorsuch on the supreme court and i think he followed the most washington playbook doing that. he put out a list of potential nominees for everyone to look at and vet. and then he made sure to nominate from that list, so he had buy-in from all the outside groups and the republicans on the hill and he was able to get his guy on the court. he followed a traditional playbook, that was his biggest success. >> senator chuck schumer said he would like the democrats to come to the white house to work on this bill. any chance that might happen? >> it's hard to see that happening right now. why? if you're a democrat, would you decide that working with the republican president who beats up on you every day and down to 39% approval rating would be a good idea? i don't think there's a political incentive to do it. their own base would be enraged if they did, because they're fueled by anti-trump fervor.
and mitch mcconnell himself said, you know, if we have to work with the democrats, it means we're not going to get the reforms we want in health care. so i don't think republicans would be that eager for that kind of help either. coming up, the president likes to talk about what he considers fake news but he doesn't seem to have any problems of a fake news cover. "the washington post" discovered this kind of just weird story. that's next. so that's the idea. what do you think? hate to play devil's advocate but... i kind of feel like it's a game changer. i wouldn't go that far. are you there? he's probably on mute. yeah... gary won't like it. why? because he's gary. (phone ringing) what? keep going! yeah...
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first of all, donald trump has been on plenty of magazine covers, they don't need to put fake ones up. how did you figure out it was fake in the first place? >> i happened to be at a trump club and i saw this thing. it just looked off. the boarders on the red border and "time" magazine was too thin, and the headlines are just sort of cheerleader. that was the tone of this cover. it just looked off. so i took a picture and called "time" magazine and they confirmed it was fake. >> it's not just a one off, it seems like there are multiple copies of this displayed at other trump properties, including ones overseas, right? >> right. we found it now, pictures at eight different clubs. seven golf clubs, including two overseas in scottland, in mar-a-lago, and sitting in
trump's office in trump tower. >> michael, does this make sense to you? he's been on the cover of "time" 14 previous times. why not display the real ones? obviously maybe not as favorable mentions as this fake one, but why would he need a fake cover boasting about him? >> well, there are probably a couple of things going on here. one is that there isn't ever enough praise for mr. trump, and i think the normal headline that would appear in "time" magazine would be insufficient for him. but i also think this could be a case of someone trying to please him. there is an expectation around the trump orbit of constantly making the extra effort to have him look good, have him look even more accomplished than he might be. so someone could have gotten carried away with what they
thought was a good idea. it's almost as if you put it out there, how do you take it down? everybody gets accustomed to seeing this. but kudos to david for noticing this and using his reporter's instincts to note it and follow up on it, because once you ge lr than i think any magazine editor would allow him to look. because it's almost like a wax figure representation of donald trump. and the headlines are way over the >> david, it's not just somebody in one of his clubs like mocking this up to praise, you know, the boss. these were clearly sent around to multiple clubs. >> that's right. and it wasn't just passed out at one time either. there are clubs like the one in ireland and scotland he only bought the last couple of years. so they were only trumpiified
recently. so they were making an effort as they opened new clubs, this was part of the stuff that you added when you redecorated the club in the trump style. >> obviously, people are being critical that this is a minor thing. but if president trump or even citizen trump at the time knew about it, it does say something about his personality or what he likes. did the president know about it? >> we don't. i asked the white house that question and i asked the trump organization the same question and they wouldn't say. one thing that was interesting to me, you would think he must have known it was fake. how could he not know that he wasn't on the cover of "time" magazine. but i found this interview from last year where trump is talking about how much bigger than politics is that business. he said i've been on the cover of "time" magazine a lot as a politician, but all those years i was a businessman, i was on the cover twice. really he was only on the cover
once in 1989. so he might have been counting this fake cover as a real one. so it's possible that trump was not even in on the joke that he thought it was real and somebody fooled him. >> michael, do you think as some are saying that this just underscores howpresident wants and praise of the media? despite all the anti-media rhetoric, he consumes more media than anybody i've ever heard of. >> you think about the activities of his life, they involve around publicity seeking that far exceeds the developments that he's built or the golf courses he's developed. so you've got to think he's a headline writer going way back. twitter is his version of tabloid newspaper headlines. so he produces it.
he wants to appear in the media constantly. and i think until the presidency, this was a measure of success for him. the problem, as senator collins mentioned in your previous piece, is that he has to learn how to be the president now and achieve actual things, and that's a much different thing from ginning up a fake "time" magazine cover or seeking awards, which he also did avidry, from organizations that he created. so it's a steep learning curve. >> we mentioned that "time" magazine asked the trump organization to take them down. do we know, have they? >> i heard from a trump club in virginia, that one has been taken down. i don't know about the rest. we know from people's photos in the past that they were there. and we're trying to figure if it had come down. one thing that just going off
the other point, these clubs are nice. in fact, the clubs themselves are signs of success. you couldn't be successful, to own a club like this you need to be successful. yet they felt the need to add a phony trophy on something that was trump's success. up next, the president's obsession with the media rages on. at the last press briefing, the press secretary lashed out and a reporter said enough is enough. he joins us next. pain i could't sleep or get up in time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. and now. i'm back! aleve pm for a better am. working my canister off to clean and shine and give proven protection against fading and aging. he won't use those copycat wipes. hi...doing anything later? ooh, the quiet type. i like that. armor all original protectant.
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mistake, the slightest word is off, it is just an absolute tirade from a lot of people in this room. but news outlets get to go on day after kay and cite unnamed sources, use stories without sources. you mentioned the story where they had to have reporters resign. >> come on. everybody right here and right now with those words. this administration has done that as well. why in the name of heaven any one of us are replaceable and any one of us if we don't get it right the audience has the opportunity to turn the channel or not read us. you have been elected to serve for four years at least. there's no option other than that. we're here to ask you questions. you're here to provide answers. what you just did is inflammatory to people all over the country who look and say, see, once again, the president is right and everybody else out
here is fake media. everyone in this room is only trying to do their job. >> i just -- i disagree completely. first of all, i think if anything has been inflamed, it's the dishonesty that often takes place by the news media. >> that was brian who stood up to the press secretary. two other reporters who are familiar with the white house briefing room, april ryan of american urban radio networks and jim acosta. brian, why did you feel the need to speak up yesterday? >> jim wasn't there. somebody had to do it. [ laughter ] all i can say it was very frustrating. that was the first on-camera interview in a week with the press secretary. she came out and the first thing she did was blast the media. it was on purpose. it was planned. jim and april probably know me well enough to know there's very
little filter between what i think and what i say. i was quite upset about it, and so i voiced my concern. i am tired of -- look, every one of us knows reporters that have been bullied, have been hurt, some have died, some have been jailed to try to do this job. and they went after cnn specifically but they went after all reporters generically. at the same time sarah is telling us to look at a video that isn't vetted and is fake media and lamb blasting us for being fake media. it's disingenuous. at some point in time i taught my kids there's only two ways to deal with a bully, make them your friend or thump them one. i'm tired of being pushed around. >> jim, the incident that she started talking about, which is three employees resigned over it, and there were repercussions for errors that they made. has anyone in this white house given all the lies or untrue
statements -- has anyone's head -- has anyone had to resign based on, mistakes they have made so far? >> so far, anderson, no. when the president founded birterrism and perpetuated the myth president obama was born in another country. when he said his inauguration crowd side was bigger than president obama's, no one had to resign. when he said he was wire tapped at trump tower, no one had to resi resign. when he said he had tapes of jim comey, no one had to resign. when it comes to this white house, when it comes to fake news, no one gets in trouble, namely the president. brian is right. i appreciate him speaking up yesterday. i think more of us will be speaking up in the days to come. it's funny, the off-camera briefing happened on mon kay. we had one on camera tuesday and an off-camera one today. and yet the one yesterday is where they lash out at the news media. >> i wonder how that happened.
>> i don't know how the emoji goes. i would put that to use in this case. >> mike flynn resigned but that was for lying to the vice president who then went on television and told an untruth. >> i don't think they've ever even admitted a mistake, this administration. >> the president has always been reticent to do that even during the campaign. april, president trump challenges anything that doesn't fit into his own perceptions of reality or what he wants other people to believe reality is. he's done some inconsequential things like the crowd side at his inauguration and with important issues like russia's interference in the election. >> yes. well, you know, this president has a very different take on reality. and just today in the briefing room there was a question of the two guests that sarah huckabee sanders brought out. the president likes to say that the numbers of illegal immigrants in this nation are 30 million. and then we ask the
professionals from doj and from homeland security. they said what they're hearing or what they've been seeing is 11 million to 12 million. so this president likes to inflate things, but yet we are the liars, we are the fake people. it just doesn't add up. i will say this. jim and brian for the last couple of days there was something that happened today in that briefing room. today people pushed back in unison. >> good. >> against sarah huckabee when she came -- when she came to the podium and said, you know, oh, well, if we had the victims here, you wouldn't cover it and this, that, and the other. you wouldn't cover this. yes, we have. and then others have said why is there not a briefing on camera? so i believe the push is getting momentum. and, again, it's not about us. >> it isn't, you're right. >> it's about free press, the american public, getting the information from the highest office in the land, from the man they elected. and the author of "managing the
president's message" said if you don't hear the president's voice, that's why the briefing, particularly an on-camera briefing is so important. and we're not hearing the president's voice. as jim has said over and over again. we've had one solo press conference. that was february. what is this, june. >> brian, what do you say, though, to folks who are listening at home who think this is reporters complaining about their jobs being difficult or complaining about not being respected? >> i think april makes a great point. it's not about us. it's about what this president is doing. look, i separate from the president from his white house press staff because sometimes they've shown promise for doing some things. i credit them for bringing in people from the cabinet to talk to us in some of the briefings. i give them credit for all that. but this president has undermined us from the very beginning. he's called us enemies of the people. he has told us we are fake media, and he is trying to undermine and drive a wedge between the electorate and us and we are the public. we are the republic.
so it's attempt to go undermine the first amendment, he's trying to undermine the republic to sell a message. and the message is what i say is factual and whatever else you hear is not. there are some people that listen to that but slowly i have to tell you i was -- i know our frustration in the room, and jim has kind of led that struggle. the thing he went through on monday in the press room kind of led indirectly to what happened to me and april was the first ones to speak up in that press room. the three of us together, i don't know, be it could be dangerous. the point being is that in that room we have felt the tension. but after what i said yesterday i've gotten presents from people and i've never seen -- i struck a merv. i didn't ex inspect to strike a nerve outside the press room. but i think the public is really
beginning to vibrate with them and it's bothering them. and that's important. >> brian karem, i appreciate you being with us. >> again, brian -- >> i'm sorry, april. we have to cut it off. >> i just want to say this -- it's not about us. it's about the american public getting their information, freedom of the press. >> that's right. >> april ryan, jim acosta, i appreciate it. more coming up about the president's fund-raiser. the earliest ever kickoff. ethical questions and some strategic reasons behind why the president is doing it. the late details when we continue. americans - 83% try to eat healthy. yet up 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day men's complete with key nutrients we may need.
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this is going to be a blockbuster hour. we here at fox news have obtained the draft of james comey's exoneration statement that let hillary clinton off the hook as it relates to the email server. the document shows that the term grossly negligent was, in fact, changed to extreme carelessness in two places. remember, grossly negligent is the legal standard which would have meant that clinton broke the law. and here's the other piece of new information. in the part where comey was talking about foreign actors, accessing clinton server, the word likely accessed was removed. this is national security. all of this continues to prove that the fix was in from the very beginning of what is a farce of an investigation. there was the exoneration before the investigation was anywhere near concluded. and here's why. the draft statement is from may 2nd, 2016. hillary and others in her case wasn't interviewed by
the fbi until the fourth of july weekend. how could comey, how could this hillary loving, trump hating fbi agent peter strzok reach any conclusion about clinton server investigation two months before they even interviewed her or other key people? the fix was in. plain and simple. we now have the evidence. and fox news legal am list gregg jarrett says what we just laid out could mean james comey is guilty of obstruction of justice. that is a crime. that is a felony. we'll hear from him coming up later in the program. also tonight, judicial watch has uncovered absolutely bombshell report about the special treatment that hillary clinton and her top aide huma abedin were given by the obama state department. we now have documents that were obtained through the freedom of information act it shows that clinton and her top aide, they were given permission by the state department to remove both electronic and physical records that they claim were, quote, personal and, quote, unclassified and
non-recorded materials. according to judicial release, this includes records of hillary clinton's calls, her schedules, which conveniently will not be made available to you, the american people. also in addition to all this, the document shows that huma abedin was allowed to take five boxes of physical files from the state department, some of which were described as, quote: muslim engagement documents. this is beyond outrageous. and it shows that there is a different set of rules and standards for the clintons and their allies. justice system. we have been talking about and warning you about. make no mistake, shouldn't be surprised because it's all part of a pattern when it comes to the clintons, the fix is in all the time. the fix is in against bernie. the fix is in here. the fix is on other issues, removing, destroying documents. that's now just part of clinton clinton on her own,
33,000 emails from her personal server. remember, she deleted them. she acid watched them. she used bleach bit and her aides were smashing mobile devices hammers. other mobile device to the fbi. it didn't have a sim card. it was useless. clinton claims they were personal between her and her husband who doesn't email. and it was about a wedding, a funeral and yoga and grand kids. bill clinton doesn't use email. here is another wrinkle to this scandal that is disturbing that needs to be investigated. according to documents that judicial watch received clinton's calls, schedules were blocked from being made public and were allowed to be removed. that's interesting when you consider this article from the a.p. in august of 2016. the headline many donors to clinton foundation met with her at state. and the article goes on to detail, quote: at least 85 of 154 people from private interest who met or who had phone conversations
scheduled with clinton while she led the state department, they all donated to her family charity or pledged commitments to its international programs. now, and according to a review of state department calendars released so far to the a.p. combined the 85 donors contributed as much as $156 million. and at least 40 donated more than $100,000 each and 20 gave more than a million. so is that why clinton and abedin wanted to remove records of hillary's calls and schedules? this would have come out in the campaign? and people would have been asking good questions? now, judicial watch president tom fitton will be here in just a few minutes. also tonight breaking, investigative reporter sarah carter is out with damning new details on this controversial nsa surveillance program that may have been used to collect information on americans without a warrant. these people not hear of a u.s. constitution against unreasonable search and seizure? that would be number 4. sarah carter reporting that
numerous former intelligence law enforcement officials are now blowing the whistle on this potentially dangerous conduct in the way your government is conducting surveillance. and this is getting scary. according to the report, well, the officials were concerned over a practice that is known as reverse targeting, which, quote, occurs when intelligence and law enforcement officials use a foreign person as a legal pretense for their intended target. an american citizen. in other words, without a warrant. in other words, illegal. in other words, no constitution. no fourth amendment. now, sarah carter will also join us in a moment to explain how this practice may have been used as a political weapon. how often have you heard me talk about weaponizing our intelligence community. weaponizing the system of justice we have in this country. dual system of justice. now, also tonight, we have breaking information about how the anti-trump, pro-clinton text messages from that fbi agent peter strzok and his fbi lawyer
girlfriend lisa page were discovered. doj inspector general michael horowitz is now revealing his office requested those text messages from government issued cell phones of several fbi employees that handled the clinton email case in this particular case there are more than 10,000 of them, text messages between strzok and his girl friends page. as of now, 375, that's it, fox news was able to obtain, just those show a severe anti-trump/pro-hillary clinton bias. these text messages include calling trump a loathe some human being, an idiot. strzok and page mocking trump supporters. that is just the start of it here is what is raising all kinds of red flags and it should. in august of 2016 strzok texted i want to believe the path you threw out for consideration in andy's office, that there is no way he gets elected but i'm afraid we can't take that
risk. it's like an insurance policy in the unlikely event you die before you are 40. fox news believes we haven't confirm yesterday that andy in that message is andrew mccabe. that would be the deputy fbi director. that's the same guy whose wife jill got $700,000 in donations from democrats, including terry mcauliff up to his eyeballs in this. during 2015 senate run. that's obscene amount of money for that race. we also have this exchange. we edited out the middle of it which include web link and page says maybe you are meant to stay where you are because you're meant to protect the country from that menace. isn't that great to take that all upon themselves? strzok replies yes. absolutely true that we're both very fortunate and, of course, i will try and approach it that way. i just know it will be tough at times. i can protect our country at many levels, not sure if that helps. now, why would strzok, why
would his girlfriend page and who we now think is andrew mccabe need an insurance policy against donald trump if he is on his way to win the election? what exactly did that mean? now, judicial watch just announced it has filed a lawsuit to gain access to all fbi records about the removal of strzok from the mueller investigation. here's what the deal is. you, the american people. you deserve answers. there's a lot at stake here. there is all wreaks of this deep state we have been telling you about, and their effort to undermine a candidate that then became president. and the "wall street journal" is reporting that this apparent meeting between strzok, page and mccain happened during the same time the fbi started counter intelligence investigation into, quote: possible trump/russia ties. and as we have been telling you this fbi agent peter strzok is tied to everything. and fbi lawyer girlfriend also served on robert mueller's team. here's what we know about strzok. before being denote dee dee moad
from mueller's investigation he was a top official. he walls the guy that actually signed the document that kicked off the russian investigation. also oversaw the handling of the anti-trump dossier, the russian propaganda when it was given to the fbi. he was in charge of the interview of former national security advisor lieutenant general michael flynn. this is where it really gets interesting. giving strzok anti-trump/pro-miller text messages he also played a pivotal role in this clinton email exoneration so-called investigation. this includes sitting in on hillary's fbi interview. remember, that was in july. in may they were already writing the exoneration. he was also in the room for the interviews with klee clinton aides huma abedin and cheryl mills. this is the most damaging information when it comes to strzok. he is the guy, he is the one that actually changed the legal standard language in james comey's exoneration
statement from grossly negligent to extreme care alsoness. that allowed hillary clinton a get out of jail free card. that allowed the fix to be in from the get-go. even though we know she broke the law. what in god's name is robert mueller thinking? to have ever put together this abusively biased, this corrupt fbi agent and so many other people that have agendas on his so-called investigative team: mueller claims to have impeccable integrity. a sterling reputation. why would anybody allow that to happen? and then, again, that all seems to make sense when you consider all the democratic donors that mueller has hand picked to be part of the investigation. now, these investigators have given over 50 grand in cash to democrats, including barack obama and, you guessed it, hillary clinton. just one donated to a republican and none of them gave any money to the trump campaign. this entire investigation is
corrupt to its core. it has now become a witch-hunt. and it's now time where jeff sessions do miss job. it's time for you the american people to understand. this according to a new poll, 54% say robert mueller has a conflict of interest. because of his friendship, these bff with james comey. and as we have been telling you, these two are best friends, and as fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett has pointed out on many an occasion, their relationship could actually be a violation of the law. calling attorney general sessions, where are you? step up and do your job. joining us now the president of judicial watch tom fitton, investigative journalist sarah carter and gregg jarrett. we will start with you, gregg. where do you begin when you read this comey exoneration written in early may. she doesn't get interviewed in july. the fix was.
in. >> these are the papers that we have just obtained and it shows very clearly that james comey. somebody rewrote it. it appears to be peter strzok. and what would his motivation be revealed lisa page, i are here because you are meant to protect the country infantry from that meaning donald trump. priester strzok and others, including comey, set out to exonerate clinton for purely political motives in the fails of overwhelming evidence of criminality. that is obstruction of justice by strzok. comey, and others. if the fix was in, greg, comey should go to jail. comey initially wrote in his exoneration paper that the shear volume of classified documents on clinton servinger is evidence of
criminality. and somebody removed that from the statement in clearing hillary clinton. steve: unbelievable. let me bring in tom fitton. let's talk about your rests that you found. >> the state department once again was making secret deals with hillary clinton to let her take documents away documents were. the logs, the schedules, there were gift logs by the way, you know, gift. and some of those documents according to the state department promises to hillary clinton's representative would not be subject to the freedom of information act. meaning they would be kept street from the american people. wanna bet they are gone forever? they destroy servers delete, delete, break up. who breaks up their blackberries except the clintons? well, maybe debbie wasserman schultz. i don't know.
but, really, who does this unless you are hiding something? >> right, and this statement department also let her walk away with those 60,000 emails. including classified information. and so it's no surprise, they are hesitant to turn over the records to us so we got to sue. and unfortunately, we are facing battles and this state department over efforts to get all of her emails, over efforts to hold her accountable about the damage down to our national security as a result of putting classified information essentially on the internet equivalent of a park bench. i don't understand why it is we are battling this justice department. they are defending hillary clinton in court, sean. it is worse than you even know in the sense that -- >> sean: i don't get jeff sessions. my patience is friday at this point. i don't know what's going on over there but if we believe in our constitution, we believe in equal justice under the -- they have got
to step up here. and i don't know what it's going to take. sarah carter, let me go to you. this is blockbuster. we are talking about the fourth amendment. illegal search and seizure. you have talked to long serving nsa legal officials and others about the fbi's use of this nsa surveillance program? and that in fact, it's being misused specifically explain. >> specifically what they do is they have, you know, the nsa has a surveillance program that's meant to capture everything on foreigners. but what they have done is used it as a back door. the fbi uses that as a back door to do warrantless searches on americans. this is a huge problem. i mean, they have admitted to it we know that comey testified about this just before he was fired. and he adamantly stated that we never did anything illegal. but the problem is when the fifth courts, when the foreign intelligence surveillance courts took a
look at this, they said wait a minute, no, you mishandled this program and actually using it as a back door without a warrant and 20 searches, up stream data searches were done inappropriately and even said they think it was far greater than that. the only reason why these intelligence officials and law enforcement officials, sean, came forward is because they were so after what happened with president trump and his team. particularly the unmasking and the revelations that people on obama's -- in obama's administration have requested all of this information, they thought it was important that this be expoised. exexposed. >> sean: we have been on this program with the help of you, john solomon, sarah carter. tom fitton there is a small group of us unspiegel peeling layer, layer, layer of this onion. i see a big house of cards that is about to come
collapsing in because now we are getting to the raw part of this is which is there is a deep state, laws are being broken. the things we have been saying about weaponizing the intelligence mount and runt people at the highest levels. >> including a top department of justice official who was removed from for concealing his meetings with fusion gps dossier. >> sean: bruce ohr op. research for fusion gps firestone dossier and affidavit in support warrants of to spy on trump associates. wiretapping them. that's a fraud on the court. that's a crime. you can't use dubious information in support of a federal court order. >> sean: you watched as i did the hearings yesterday. we saw a very passionate trey gowdy. a i have passionate jim jordan. i'm sitting there.
and it's everything we have all been unfolding. it sure sounded familiar because this is what we have been covering. how close do you think we are to now getting to the truth and who is in trouble tonight. >> congress is going to demand the truth and begin holding people in contempt of congress if they continue to defy. >> clinton should be very, very worried. >> sean: huma abedin worried? >> yes. >> cheryl mills. >> yes. >> robert mueller. >> robert mueller, you know, it's hard to say because he does have a distinguished record. however, the people he put on this special counsel team. >> sean: you don't think by now he has an agenda? rosenstein is he in trouble? >> oh, yes. >> he is conflicted out of this case. >> sean: andrew mccabe? >> he is in big trouble. >> sean: sarah you know all
the players. you have covered these on many fronts. we haven't mentioned uranium one. who should be worried tonight based on what we now know. >> what we now know, i think deputy director andrew mccabe is going to be in big trouble. i know that congress is looking at him now. they probably are going to try to get his text messages or subpoena documents that he, you know, what he has been involved in from the fbi. i think. >> sean: how about comey? let's go through the list. comey. >> yeah, i think comey is in trouble. looking at this they will definitely question him and ask him why did you change this. >> hillary clinton? >> oh, yeah. i think she has been worried about this for a long time. >> sean: cheryl mills? >> absolutely. >> sean: i'm huma? >> absolutely. >> sean: anyone else can you think of. >> peter strzok and lisa page. they are already in trouble. >> sean: do you agree with that? >> yes. likely the hillary clinton,
compromiseeses caused by having this special agent involved. number two deputy hillary clinton activist going to her election night party. sending an email to sale united states praising her anti-trump action as an obama holdover. >> sean: all good information. >> just as you know sean, we looked newt prosecutors mueller hired. we couldn't find anyone who was a registered republican. we did find 10 registered democrats. no registered republicans on mueller's team. >> sean: exit question, yes or no question. bigger than watergate? >> in so many different ways it is. >> sean: sarah? >> it's more pervasive. >> sean: sarah? >> yes. i think so and i agree with gregg. >> spying by the fbi, justice department intelligence agencies on the political opponents of the administration of barack obama into hillary clinton. >> sean: yes or no. >> bigger than watergate by far. >> sean: i say watergate on
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document fox news obtained a couple hours ago james comey about the clinton server investigation. he is the author of the best selling book vengeance, former speaker of the house fox news contributor newt gingrich. okay, this is may, mr. speaker. he hadn't interviewed hillary clinton or at least 17 others key to the investigation. the fix is in. i don't know any other way to in. i think this is unbelievable. if you and i sat down -- obviously very pro-trump. if we both sat down two years ago and said let's write a story and watch the head of the fbi consciously sets out to protect hillary clinton, no matter how guilty she is.
consciously sets out to protect her staff, no matter how guilty they are. sets up everything so that even his statements in public will exonerate her. we couldn't have made this up. it is now clear, first of all, that if the -- if comey and the fbi done their job early enough, you probably would have had bernie sanders as the nominee because hillary couldn't have survived the obvious news. >> sean: the fix was in. >> about how guilty she and her staff were. >> sean: talk about the clintons the fix was in there too we now know. we know the fix was in. >> here's my point. this is a very serious question for the congress. and, frankly, i think it puts an enormous amount of pressure on the attorney general. because i think attorney general sessions has an absolute obligation to look at this information and begin to think about how they are going to prosecute
comey and how they are going to prosecute all of these other senior fbi agents who clearly, based on their text messages back and forth. and including, by the way, i think, a great deal of his yet unreported guilt in terms of the chief deputy hos wife hawhose wife had gotte0 from the democrats and still engaged in. this have you here assess pool of corruption, covering up for the clintons in a way which i would have to as a historian sun imaginable. i do not know at any point in american history where you have this level of a system of corruption. we have had occasional attorney generals. we had one under harding. we had one under grant. did you go back and find individuals who were crooks. but this level of constant methodical undermining of the rule of law? people who thought it was their job to save america?
i mean, when you are talking about law enforcement officials who decide they will impose their version on the american people, you are talking about something very scary. something which totally undermines the american system. >> sean: mr. speaker, i want to get into the specifics of this. this is very profound. because on a level far deeper than watergate ever was here, there is corruption at the highest levels. this is no longer paranoia. it's movable fact that the fix was in here. you have james comey. then you have the pro-hillary anti-trump peter strzok and then his girlfriend lisa page, yeah, they are the ones going to save america with what they are doing. this exoneration of hillary clinton, when you take out the word likely foreign actors were able to access her email account, to cover up a foreign a national security breach in this country, then when you take
the actual legal language gross negligence and remove that and put in and try to be cute and put in extreme carelessness, i don't even know what to say. i mean, there is -- wouldn't you define this as obstruction? sorry. >> at every level, this is undermining our system of justice. it is violating the law. it's very likely all of these people will end up going to jail. but, imagine that the reverse had happened. imagine that they had allowed the law to follow its natural course. imagine that you had gotten a report last summer, the summer of 2016 by director comey saying, well, you know, it's likely that foreign agents did get to her accounts because of the way she had handled them and the way she had broken the rules. it is clear that she was guilty of gross negligence, which, in fact, is as a technical term meaning that she had broken the law.
and if he had said, therefore, i am recommending that she be prosecuted, i mean, you would have blown the whole campaign wide open at that point. you probably would have had trump winning with 55 or 60 pierce of the voted. you would have had a shattering of the democratic party. all of this is -- i literally and i will challenge anybody in our audience to find me a case where you have this kind of methodical corruption. this violation of the rule of law at this level of bureaucracy. not the political appointees at the very top. the people who have spent their career who are sworn to uphold the law. and i think it's maybe the greatest crisis in terms of law and order and the rule of law in american history. >> sean: the rule of law in jeopardy. do we have a dual justice system? more with newt gingrich right after this. ♪ ♪
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now back to hannity. ♪ ♪ >> sean: welcome back to hannity. we have more reaction to this blockbuster news about james comey and a may 2nd exoneration of hillary before the investigation was even complete. let me just stay on what he is exonerating here. because we know the mishandling of classified top secret, special access programming: mom and pop shop bathroom. we know that she destroyed such information. we know that she lied when she said she didn't have this information on there. that she didn't send a receipt. that's been debunked. then you have the whole thing about deleting 33,000 subpoenaed emails. then you have the acid wash and the use of bleach bit, most americans had never heard of it before. then you have an aide busting up devices, blackberries and the like with hammers and the only thing they turn over to the fbi in terms of a device is one without a sim card,
rendering it useless for the fbi. now, that sounds to me. it is obvious that laws were broken here. and that we now know five foreign agencies tapped into that particular server, that compromised national security. does that mean now the fix is in with comey and strureb? we have to do it all over again? >> i think a couple things here there is a report out today that she apparently had a deal. i haven't seen the exact language. a deal with the obama administration that allows she and her top aides to take away whatever they wanted to, which apparently included an entire section on her outreach to the muslim community in the middle east. first of all, the obama administration didn't have the authority to violate law by having this kind of a deal.
second, this is a whole new zone that just showed up during the day today as a report of a special arrangement that she had made to be able to take all this stuff away, even though it was illegal in terms of the security. >> sean: with the obama administration? >> yes, with the obama administration. let me draw this into two parts for a second, sean. part one is hillary and the entire gang from the foundation through her aides, et cetera, that's got to be reopened. part 2 is the level of corruption and dishonesty in the fbi and the justice department. that is an entire new case. both of these cases, i think the congress has to insist and, frankly, attorney general sessions has to insist that of these are going to be pursued not as a matter of vengeance. not to go after people, but because the rule of law, the very base of the american system requires that we take seriously when powerful people are corrupted.
and you have both a clinton corruption and comey fbi corruption, those are two separate cases. they both have to be brought to light and people have to be prosecuted. >> sean: i always thought it was a mistake that jeff sessions recused himself here and and you have got rod rosenstein. >> wait, wait. he has not recused himself on any of this he rye could you said himself narrowly on the russia investigation on whether or not the trump campaign was involved. as attorney general he is not recused on whether or not the fbi was corrupted. and he is not recuse could you seed on whether or not the clinton team was corrupted. he has an absolute obligation. >> sean: i agree with you. didn't recuse himself on uranium one and the dossier. that came up, too. >> let me say this straight for a second. because i have known jeff sessions a long time. and i will just say flatly. it's time for the attorney
general to step up to the plate and do his job. he has no excuse as somebody who i know believes in the law. he has no excuse for hiding he has to set up a clinton investigation. he has to set up an fbi justice department investigation. this is his obligation under the law to enforce it and to protect the american people. and jeff sessions has nowhere to hide on this. he can't recuse himself. he can't say he is not involved. these two things are so profound that he has to take them head on. or he is frankly not doing his job. >> sean: i don't think i could say it any better. it's serious. we will stay on it. interesting. isn't it sad, probably the biggest news story in our lifetime politically and the news media in this country has basically ignored it and has -- they have been co-opted by a phony narrative. and that they spreading lies and fake news for a year.
and being caught regularly at it. last word. >> well, look, this is the beginning of the end of their world. if the clintons go down as hard as i think they are going to. and if the corruption of the fbi goes down as hard as i think it's going to. then the elite media will have been more severely damaged than any time in the last 50 years. >> sean: chilling, mr. speaker, we will stay on it, i promise. this is a huge story. up next the liberal media is doing everything in their power to cover up the anti-trump bias that is in robert mueller the special counsel's team. we will show you one of the worst examples yet. we will do the media's job. glad you are with us on hannity. we're facing 20 billion security events every day. ddos campaigns, ransomware, malware attacks... actually, we just handled all the priority threats. you did that? we did that. really. we analyzed millions of articles and reports.
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take a look. >> jim jordan thinks the american people are stupid enough, maybe because he is not wearing a jacket, he is one of us. hey, look at him. and his tie is untied. >> roll up his sleeves and put on a hard hat. jim jordan is saying that now that they are actually getting close to figuring out what went on and people have already admitted to wrongdoing, and they served time. national security advisor may serve time. why aren't you disbanding this investigation? how stupid do they think we are? how stupid are they and how stupid, willie, do they think we are? >> sean: poor liberal joe sold his soul to work at conspiracy tv. here with reaction is dan bongino, fox news correspondent at large geraldo rivera. jessica tarlov and put your legal hat on. this comey news tonight proves what we have been
saying the fix was in, when you read what comey was writing in early may, before he even talked to hillary and key people in that email server investigation, isn't that obstruction. >> it is fascinating evidence indicating at the very least an inclination to go with the democrats, with the liberals. perhaps a personal bias. but to prove substantive will that altered the course of the investigation. >> sean: of course it did. >> don't you think it's far more to stress the fact that you have the special prosecutor with lavish funding all of these ache lightacolytes who hate president trump and they have come up with absolutely nothing in all these months. >> sean: it is core corruption. at its core like the fix was. in poor bernie never had a shot. we now know the clintons fixed everything. poor bernie. i feel sorry for bernie people. they voted for nothing. you donated for nothing. the fix was in.
>> you can't fix 4 million votes. that's what bernie sanders lost. >> sean: yes, you can. >> no, you can't and donna brazile even admitted that herself. to your point about the text messages i think peter strzok should have been removed. he also exchanged with bernie sanders liberal. eric holder clinton chelsea clinton a liberal. this is not about trump. >> sean: i want to be clear, i love the fbi. i love law enforcement. i love our intelligence community. at the top, we have got deep corruption. >> sean, i know what you have done for our military and law enforcement. no need to even say it people who know you know exactly what you have done. this is not a knock on the rank and file fbi. men and women. they are wonderful. this case is a sham. joe scarborough by the way should be embarrassed. i know jim jordan well. jim scarborough couldn't wipe jim jordan's nose if he
had a cold. this is a critical question right now, which, by the way, honorable man jim jordan has asked. was this dossier used to spy on americans or not? have you noticed, sean? nobody could answer the question. rod rosenstein said oh, i have the answer but i can't answer it. that's the critical question and thank god people like jim jordan are asking it right now. >> sean: what did you think of the comey letter from may 2nd or exoneration before investigation. geraldo is being gracious and generous tonight. >> i appreciate it mightily. >> sean: jessica, he is in the christmas spirit. >> hanukkah spirit. >> sean: it's happy hanukkah right now. >> thank you. >> sean: peter strzok and comey had the fix in and it shouldn't surprise anybody. >> i think personally if you are asking me, that the pressure on the special prosecutor now to wrap up this investigation, i fear that when we go to these other at that point general issues we lose sight of what is important to the 45th
president of the united states. he has now been accused by half the american people and propagandize on a regular basis that he collaborated and colluded with the russians to alter the elections. >> sean: equal justifiable under the law. i know you believe that. >> i want the special prosecutor to go away. the problem with special prosecutors is they are so lavishly funded they are empowered and they never want to give up the rains. look at ken starr what started as the a real estate transaction white water moomped into impeachment of the president. this special prosecutor has to admit that there is no evidence here. >> sean: one second, jessica, sorry. do you see a real clear present danger to equal justice under the law? i do. >> i think if we keep down this road of a special prosecutor for everything, we will distract this government sean sean clintons got away with crimes. >> i want the president to shake this off now. no more russia gate. >> sean: you are ignoring me.
you are really good at your job. you are ignoring everything i say. dan bongino. >> sean, you and i both know and so does jess canned geraldo, if there was a text message in 2008 right before the election between two senior fbi agents investigating barack obama, that talked about an insurance plan, in case he won, this country would have exploded. >> sean: ding, ding. right on point. >> a disgrace and you need a special prosecutor to get to the bottom of. >> it no, no, no. >> you don't need two special prosecutor for. this yes. >> i said peter strzok should have been fired. highly inappropriate. the idea they were sitting around in andy mccabe's office talking about this. we know under the law under the hatch act you can have personal political beliefs. everybody has them. [laughter] >> i hear you laughing, dan, but it's true. >> you kant set up an insurance plan. you can't set up an insurance plan. >> dan, just two seconds. both christopher wray and rod rosenstein testified in the last week to say this
mueller probe is working as it should and. >> sean: dan then geraldo. >> jessica, seriously, with all due respect. you know i like you. text messages about an insurance plan to make sure trump is elected. >> what do you think they did? it obviously back fired, right? i believe donald trump sits at 1600 pennsylvania avenue and hillary clinton lives in the woods. so, obviously nothing happened here. >> sean: i said to geraldo i don't want to be. >> i don't want to be -- you watch msnbc and cnn and their continuing regurgitation of the same facts. they talk about man port. they talk about general flynn without mentioning the essential fact that neither of those men had anything to do with donald trump colluding with russians to alter the election. that's what this. >> it's not finished. >> let's clean this up. >> wait a minute. hillary bought and paid for
law, salacious dossier to influence the american people. we know that as a fact counselor, my friend. >> what i wants to do i wants to free donald trump. i want to free donald trump. >> he is plenty free. he does whatever he wants. >> >> >> sean: do we wants equal justice under the law? >> yes, we do. if we keep looking back and keep special prosecuting. we will never get out of this. >> sean: we will never have it we have a dual justice system. it's dangerous. more hannity after this break. major news, tick tock about tomorrow. stay with us. (vo) take home something in a helzberg diamonds box for $999 or more, and you also take home an xbox one s, with a terrific bundle! now, that's thinking outside the box!
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disciplined or removed from office only by the personal action of the attorney general. but according to the white house, the president has been advised he, he can terminate robert mueller all by himself. . >> does he believe he has the power to fire special counsel robert mueller? >> certainly believes he has the power to do so. >> most legal experts believe he would have to order deputy attorney general rosenstein to fire mueller and corefuse. >> i know a number of individuals in the legal community and including at the department of justice said he has the power to do so but i don't have any further announcements. >> they told me, i've asked. they said it's rosenstein oversees is the special counsel and only he has the power to fire the special counsel. >> again, we've been advised that the president certainly has the power to make that decision. i can't go anything beyond that. >> we've been advised the president certainly has the power to make the decision. to be clear, the warrants that were executed against cohen
yesterday were not as far as we can tell from the available reporting related directly to the russia probe as far as we know now. they appear to be part of a separate investigation referred by the special counsel to federal prosecutors in new york. but if it the raid provoked the president to take some kind of action to stop mueller, it would not be the first time he's tried to do so. remember a few months ago "the new york times" reported the president gave the order directly to fire mueller last june and backed off only after his white house counsel don mcgahn apparently threatened to quit rather than carry out the order. tonight, a new report from the times". again, that he tried to do it just in december. telling advisers that mueller's investigation "to to be shut down following reports that a bank he did business with had been subpoenaed." the president once again backed down after it became clear that those reports were misleading. but last night during a public -- in response to the cohen raid, he did not rule out
giving it another shot. >> why don't you just fire mueller. >> why don't i just fire mueller? well, i think it's a disgrace what's going on. we'll see what happens. it's a sad situation. again, they found nothing. and in finding nothing, that's a big statement. if you know, the person who is in charge of the investigation, you know all about that, deputy rosenstein, rod rosenstein. as you know, he also signs the fisa warrant. so rod rosenstein who is in charge of this signed a fisa warrant and he also -- he also signed a letter that was essentially saying to fire james comey. >> now, according to the fox news radio producer who asked that question, you heard shouted about mueller, the president mouthed thank you at him as he was ushered out. in the same clip you may have noticed the president quickly pivoted from mueller to deputy
attorney general rosenstein. nobody asked. the president just brought him up. that was no coincidence. according to "the new york times" reporting the president's tirade last night copied in private at the white house as he fumed whether he should fire rosenstein before the times broke the news today it was rosenstein himself who was the one who personally signed off on the decision to raid cohen's office. mike the schmidt is one of the reporter who's broke that story as well as tonight's breaking news the president sought to fire mueller a second time in december. michael, i'm trying to get a clearer sense of what exactly happened in december as your reporting indicates? into there were several reports at the time that a -- there was a mueller subpoena that had been sent to deutsche bank for records directly related to trump. now, if you remember, trump talked last summer about a so-called red line, an area that he said mueller should not be looking at. that's finances outside of russia. so trump sees this, sees this
report and he loses it. he gets very angry pop we talk a lot how angry he got but he got angry again this time and really wanted to get rid of mueller. he said it was time to end the investigation. what happened was that his lawyers who know where his bank accounts are and where his things are realized that the report was wrong that there was nothing to it. the reports were actually ultimately corrected. but this was this instance. and as we know, firing mueller is not just something that is front of mind for the president just now. this is something he has thought about as far as back as may when mueller was appointed. he's obviously also thought since then about firing sessions and firing rosenstein. the other big incident that we know about where trump really walked up to the line of firing mueller was last june asking account white house counsel don mcgahn to call the justice department to tell rod rosenstein it was time for
mueller to go because had he several conflict of interest issues. it was only after mcgahn threatened to resign that the president backed down on that. >> i want to go back to the red line. it's something that i've wrestled with how seriously to take that red line. that was your phrase in an interview with the president an audio interview we have audio of. you said the word red line and the president says yes it, didn't sound definitive to me. are you convinced he does consider that a red line. >> like probably a lot of red lines this one may be a bit faulty but i don't know. look, we were trying to get the president to give us a sense how he saw this investigation. how he saw mueller. what was mueller's mandate? and we pushed him on it. we pushed him really hard if you could hear in the audio. we tried to pin him down what was okay and what wasn't okay. because we wanted to have a guide as we looked at this and moved along to see where mueller sort of fell in if the president's thoughts.
now, we knew at the time that we knew where the investigation was going to go but we knew there would probably be subpoenas at some point, probably be requests for documents and interviews and that other issues would come up. we were trying to figure out okay, what in the president's mind would be okay and what wouldn't be okay. >> i just want to be clear. that determination of what is and isn't okay ultimately is something that is answered in a more profound and global sense than what the president does or does not allow although we'll see how this plays out as he considers what he is going to do next. michael schmidt, great reporting as always. thank you. >> back in december, senator mark warner, advice of the senate intelligence committee gave a barn burner speech that seemed to come out of nowhere in which he warned the president not to the cross a red line by firing muler. moments ago the top aide to that senator said when he delivered his red line speech to warn back in december, a lot of people asked why now, this is why.
she linked to the story breaking from the "new york times" we just discussed. i happened to speak to senator warner tonight just before that story broke. >> senator, what do you think about sarah huckabee sanders saying is the white house has made the determination the president himself has the power to fire robert mueller? >> well, this white house and this president seem to think he can in effect support some laws and ignore other laws. i'm not the legal expert here. but i would actually agree with republican senator lindsey graham that if mr. trump tried to fire mr. mueller, that will be the beginning of the end of the trump presidency. >> the president also said this yesterday about the raid where he called it an attack on this country. i want you to take a listen and get your reaction. >> i have this witch hunt constantly going on for over 12 months now. and actually much more than that. you could say it was right after the won the nomination it started.
that it's a disgrace. it's frankly a real disgrace. it's an attack on our country in a true sense. it's an attack on what we all stand for. >> do you think the raid was an attack on our country? >> absolutely not. what this president doesn't seem to understand is that there is no one that is above the law including the president of the united states. i would remind the president that mr. rosenstein who is his deputy attorney general long-term republican, mr. wray, the fbi director, a trump appointee, throughout this whole investigation, mr. mueller, a lifelong republican somehow the notion that it is being caused by political purposes, it is being caused because there are serious questions that need to be answered about trump campaign and affiliates, affiliation or collusion with russians and i think this investigation has to finish. i believe our senate intelligence committee investigation has to finish. and the american public deserves
the truth and what scares the dickens out of me is when the president basically depending on his mood wakes up and makes these in effect add whom nen broad based attacks against the integrity of the justice department and the fbi. that gets into very scary territory that might give license to some to say consequently, they could then cloos choose which laws they want to follow and which they don't. my fear is mr. trump is trying to undermine it the mueller investigation and the integrity of our justice system. >> is he succeeding? >> i believe fongs amongst some of his allies who reinforce this message. we're getting into uncharted territory here. i worry. we're a nation -- i've never seen anything like this in my whole life. i know a lot of my republican colleagues have privately expressed real concern and consternation. my hope is for the sake of the
country that was someone would rein this president back in and that he would not take the kind of inappropriate action as firing rosenstein or firing mueller which i believe would put us into a constitutional crisis. >> you just said the word privately to describe the concerns of our republican colleagues. i've been monitoring public pronouncements today and largely from republicans they've been essentialliquiv cal or we don't need to do anything because i'm confident they'll say he won't fire mueller. it won't happen. don't worry about it. do you think that's good enough? >> you know, i went out before the holidays before christmas and gave what i hoped was my red line speech that firing mueller, firing rosenstein, going off and pardoning family members or others would be a bridge too far. most republican who have been on gone on the record have said yes, they thought that would go too far, as well. but we seem to be fast approaching that point. and my colleagues are going to
need god forbid if we have this event to move past private conversations and take a public stand. i think all of us will as americans have to take a public stand and decide whether we're going to continue to be a nation of laws. and that no one including the president of the united states is bobbit law and he cannot arbitrary stop a duly constituted investigation. but i can tell you from at least where i stand as a -- as vice chair of the senate intelligence committee there are a lot of questions that still need to be answered. >> your counterparts over in the house intelligence committee who some critics have said are sort of conducting a counter investigation of the investigation, they -- this comes from robert costa of the west who says house intel chair devin nunes privately told several colleagues it's time for house the gop to hold rosenstein and wray in contempt of congress should they refuse to hand over docs according to two people
familiar with the discussions. what do you think of that? >> i think it's fairly typical of the way the house majority has operated. frankly, outside the boundaries are of what most of us would view would be appropriate, obviously, not in any sense bipartisan, and i'm going to continue to say grace over what we're trying to do on the senate side which is we've got to follow the facts, keep this effort bipartisan. and at the end of the day, this is about what happened or didn't happen not only. 2016 but in some of the aftermath and also how we make sure the american public gets the truth because they deserve the truth. >> senator mark warner of virginia, thanks for your time tonight. >> jill wine-banks, former watergate prosecutor, matt miller chief spokesperson at the justice department kund president obama. matt, i'll start with you. i want to zoom out for a second
and just note or ask you how you feel about a news cycle that's driven about will the president act to interfere in the investigation into himself and into his allies. >> yeah, it's odd because in a way it gets framed as if there's some legitimate choice the president is facing as opposed to there being one acceptable choice which is allow the investigation to proceed to allow the rule of law to stand. and one which is to try to commit a crime and obstruct the investigation which is what he's trying to do. for people at the department of justice looking at this, you know, none of them are stupid. they see what the president is trying to do. if he fires the rosenstein they know exactly what he's trying to do. for him to try to you fire mueller, he may be able to do it but he will have to burn that building to the ground before he finds someone willing to carry out that kind of order. >> jill, do you agree with that. >> i do. and i've seen this play out once before. >> right. >> and it didn't work out so well pore president nixon. and i don't think it will work
general. with everything i know about him, i don't think he would carry out such an order where he knows the president is trying to commit a crime by obstructing justice. then it goes to the u.s. attorneys. if you look at the u.s. attorneys, a lot of them are long-time career prosecutors, some are people are respected partners at law if i weres. he may find someone eventually. i don't think these are people who want their legacy for the protest of history being at a real critical moment in our history, when they could stand up for the rule of law or help donald trump obstruct justice, i don't think they're going to want to be remembered in history as the person who helped donald trump break the law to cover up crimes he committed. >> jill, here's the other question i have. if the president were to say and i know we're gaming out the future. we're getting multiple reports the president is stewing and thinking about how to move against this. if the president were to take to twitter and said i am firing mueller it seems there's an open
miller, thank you for being here. tonight michael cohen, you remember him, from such fbi raids as yesterday at three places that he tends to occupy, is responding to yesterday's fbi raids on his home office room telling emily jane fox the feds were respectful. he said he has not spoken to trump since the raids. we're getting a clearer pictures of what agents were looking for, records of payments top women including daniels and mcdougal. they searched for records relating to mr. cohen's taxicab business. as we learn more about the leads they're following, remember robert mueller is not involved in this investigation not directly. he handed it off. mueller filed a memo in court last week that states that a special counsel may conclude investigating otherwise unrelated allegations against a central witness in the matter is necessary to obtain cooperation. with me now barb mcquaid and adam davidson staff writer for new yorker. i want to follow up on something
you said on twitter that i thought was very smart. what precipitated the president's second outburst and attempt at least to sort of talking about removing mueller was what proved to be an errorious report about your subpoenas to deutsche bank. you said what about that. >> i want to know what he thinks deutsche bank has on him and why it freaks him out so much mueller might be looking into deutsche bank. >> it seemed to me like here's someone drawing a big red arrow like no crimes in here. >> it's like his attorney jay sekulow telling me, i don't want anyone looking at the georgia deal. that i think any prosecutor hearing a lawyer or someone under investigation saying please don't look at there one deal, you're going to look at that deal. >> so barbara, what do you make -- i'm having a hard time sifting through the various reports we're getting what the feds were or were not looking for in the case of michael cohen yesterday. we've seen a bunch of different
things. taxicab medallion business, possibilities of bank fraud. items pertaining to stormy daniels or karen mcdougal, payments thereof, campaign finance. what would this search warrant look like and could it applausely have a variety of different areas listed together? >> what we do know is a judge made a finding of probable cause that evidence of a crime would be found at these premises. you have to articulate what the crime is and the facts in support of that probable cause determination. they'd have to specify. i imagine that in robert mueller's investigation he has come across some evidence that supports this finding of probable cause. he would have to articulate those things. it could list several different schemes. there could be the taxi medallion scheme and another relating to stormy daniels. it could be a number of things in the same affidavit. it's just probable cause. this is not a charge, not an indictment and it's not proof beyond a reasonable doubt.
still efficient to go in and search for these things. it is something that had to be found by a judge. >> just to be clear, there would have to be sort of, if you had different domains like taxicab business, paints related to stormy daniels, et cetera, you would have to furnish probable cause for each of the sort of like portfolios of things you were searching for, correct? >> absolutely. every scheme that you described, every crime that you described would have to have a description. plus you have to be able to be able to look for that thing. if you find a file that says taxi medallions you're allowed to take it. if you find a file unrelated you can't. you want to specify all the schemes for which you have probable cause. >> you've written a lot cohen. there's a link between the deutsche bank and michael cohen whi . >> if you're looking at mueller
must be at international deals that brought the trump organization and donald trump himself in the orbit of the kremlin, of the former soviet union, you're talking about three people at the trump organization who were central to those deals who handled those deals, ivanka, don junior and michael cohen. michael cohen is the most important nontrump trump, nontrump person involved in the trump organization. he was central to many, many, many of the deals that brought the trump organization into the kremlin orbit. so i think many people who are sort of trump watchers trump organization watchers have been waiting for this moment. this has always seemed like something like an end game because this is the guy. this is the -- he has all the information we might want to know because he's the person who would have told trump, here's the partners we're dealing with, here's the money laundering they did or i did research and they're not money launders. they're perfectly innocent.
>> don't worry, boss, i've done the due diligence. everything is on the up and up. >> that doesn't seem to be the case based on my reporting and lots of others. we know he was actively pursuing kts contact with the kremlin for donald trump. if you want to study collusion specifically, you have to look at michael cohen. >> so then the question becomes the vector by which we have the sdny carrying this out, execute it, the degree to which it relates or does not relate to mueller, whether this is an attempt to pressure someone who could be a we witness. what do you make of all that. >> i think you know, it was handed off to the southern district of new york to handle it because robert mueller or rod rosenstein, someone believed it was not within the scope of mueller's investigation. that does not mean michael cohen could not be a cooperator for mueller. it does happen someone is prosecuted in one district and
agrees to cooperate and cos actually cooperate in the mueller investigation even though he's -- he may be prosecuted in the southern district of new york. so there's still that possibility of cooperation. >> barbara mcquaid and adam davidson, thank you for joining us. coming up, why michael cohen's raid is a big scandal for the entire republican party that goes beyond his connection to just the president. i'll explain that ahead. we use our phones and computers
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the rnc has been silent about all of this even as we called and e-mailed several times today for any kind of comment. political analyst jennifer ruben, contributor and business insider senior editor jose barro and former assistant u.s. attorney maya wiley join me. jennifer, there is an attempt by the republicans on the hill and in the party more generally to be just sort of cordon this off like trump is -- the way a trump tweet happens. it's like he 2003ed about steph curry and everyone spends their day going i didn't read the tweet or that's the president. that seems so preposterous. fbi raid on the party's deputy national finance chairman. >> it is. you have to pinch yourself because it is so outlandish. you're right, chris. not only that, but you know, the number of plots and the number of areas in which there is abject corruption, you have $150,000 payment from a
ukrainian oligarch to trump foundation. we have instances of his lawyers trying to put the screws on the panamanian government for trump's benefit. all of this is a scheme of corruption and personal manipulation and self-enrichment we have, that, does exceed watergate. the republicans are just whistling through the graveyard thinking they can keep their heads down. maybe they'll get away with that. i suspect if they are still there and trump is still there in november, it's going to be a bloodbath because the republicans are very, very vulnerable to the charge that they are not exercising any oversight. they are come police nit this corruption. not just in russia but all these other financial schemes. they have no interest in fulfilling their obligations under their oaths. if you want real oversight, you got to the elect democrats. that's a compelling argument. >> i believe there's going to be some crisis point. there's some standoff between
which institutions hold. which i think will happen before the midterms. >> we've gotten 65% of the way to the midterms. a year ago, i would have bet on it happening by now. i don't know. >> that's true. >> there's not that much time left to run out on the clock. we might get there before the midterms. >> the idea of sort of like that members of congress, republicans all had this line today don't -- he won't fire mueller. don't worry about it. i want to play this montage. this is what you heard from capitol hill today. take a lis. >> i have confidence in mueller. and i think to answer your question, it would be suicide for the president to want to talk about firing mueller. >> i'm not concerned that' fire mueller. i don't think he'll fire rosenstein. i can't think of any reason. i'm confident that would be the beissing of the ends of his presidency. >> i think the president's too
smart to fire mr. mueller. if he did, it wouldn't end the investigation. >> yeah it, wouldn't end the investigation. that's it in a nutshell. that doesn't mean he want to fire him. >> i'm sure he do does. >> i'm sure he does. i think this is -- the way i read these statements was this is the republicans' way of saying don't do it. like we're going to publicly tell you not to do it. >> too smart to do is an audience of one kind of comment. >> this is the republicans line for months. so far they've been right in that he has not done it yet. i think they're hoping he will run out the clock to the midterms on this. >> that lets him off the hook too easily. he has pressured them. this is like he's committed the sin in the sense that he tells the justice department to prosecute his political enemies and warns them to back off. that is an infraction. >> he complains when his appointed attorney general recuses himself from the very investigation he thinks he should protect him from.
>> it's remarkable how it hasn't worked. this raid yesterday wasn't ordered by mueller. this was this very formal process where there was referral that went to the southern district of new york. rod rosenstein signed off off on the idea they would raids the offices of the president's lawyer which would cause the president to react in the way he had. this is another reason for the president not to fire these people. a lot of this has been the bureaucracy operating in the way it is supposed to. when they can get a valid warrant they execute it and he fires a few people and by and large, that bureaucracy will still be there doing the same thing. >> that's right in the sense it will still be there doing the same thing. that doesn't make he can't make them it more difficult for them if he were to go the nuclear option which would be deeply deeply inadvisable to say the least. that doesn't mean he couldn't find ways to make it more difficult for it to happen. >> chris, one of the issues here
is that if he now has his eye on firing rod rosenstein which apparently he does, that's almost a bigger challenge than firing mueller because the deputy attorney general so long as jeff sessions is there has the ability to curtail this investigation. and i think that's what we should keep our eye on. he fires rosenstein, then he can put in whoever and that person can say you're not going to look at michael cohen, you're not going to look at all of these business deals. all you're going to look for is direct evidence of collusion. if trump didn't pick up the phone and call putin, i guess we're done with that. that is something congress had better be wise, too. if anybody's interested in doing any oversight, call mr. rosenstein up to testify, ask him whether the president has the authority to fire mr. mueller directly. and what his attitude would be if he was told to go fire
mueller. >> although you ended up getting him fired. the weird thing about this entire inessential like through the looking glass environment is the president watches cable news. i can't tell where the circle begins and where it ends. is he getting the idea from cable news? are they getting it from him? is he just sitting there absorbing it all. >> there's another crazy aspect that goes back to why the rnc doesn't feel the need to distance itself. it's stipulated that he's some sort of criminal. >> you're exactly right. >> they're not trying to make the argument he's not corrupt. part of the argumentyear mueller needs to be kept in the box if mueller is allowed to get too many mings things, he's going to find criminal activity. it's like everyone stipulated to the idea that there is some unrelated to -- the dispute is was there a crime related to russia. police are admitting there is a bunch of criminal activity that has nothing do with the election. >> what's problematic from a
public standpoint is that 40% of trump voters get all their news from fox news which has actively been driving the narrative that this is a witch hunt. sean hannity just to name a few. and actually what we saw is that the disapproval ratings for mueller have actually gone down since january and i think it's as a result of this kind of news bubble echo chamber that has been actually pushing a false narrative, what is clearly a false narrative. and i think from a political standpoint, one of the things that i think the gop is looking at is how much is this going to hurt us really and trying to figure that out. >> can they wiggle out of it. the q poll still shows people widely approve of mueller. the question is how strong is that. jennifer, josh, maya, thank you for your time. mark zuckerberg testifies in front of congress and says facebook is cooperating with the mueller investigation.
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it's a possibility. i'll ask her. i don't know. >> and okay. well, he's new here. later when asked if he thought trump could put aside anger at special counsel mueller and the doj and focus on other issues he went for the tried and true tactic of praising his boss. >> yes, of course he can compartmentalize. i'm going to bet you he holds his regular schedule today. i'll bet you he gets stuff done through meet anxious decisions. i'll be traveling with him with the group going to latin america. i don't think it's going to stop him. it never stops him. >> nothing is going to stop him. he's going to stick with the schedules, go on the trip. do what he was going to do. just one small problem with that assessment of his new boss. things that thing 2 in 60 seconds. at thing 2 in 60 second.
agents in to seize cohen, can he compartmentalize and focus on other issues? >> of course excompartmentalize. i'm going to bet you he holds his regular schedule today and i'll bet you he gets stuff done through meetings and decisions. i'll be traveling with a group with him going to latin america. it never stops him. he's a tough guy. he's a tough guy and a smart guy. and this place washington, d.c. aka swamp, they underestimate him. >> a solid defense of the president but about that latin america trip, it's not happening. sarah huckabee sanders announcing barely 30 minutes after kudlow confidently predicted would happen, that trump was canceling his trip citing the crisis in syria. a tough lesson for kudlow but one everyone has to learn eventually. the president doesn't care if his decisions leave his own people looking like fools. welcome to the white house, larry. i bet i'm the first blade maker you've ever met. there's a lot of innovation that goes into making
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raises. >> if you're committed to the trump sandy, why did you go around the president and give raises to two people. >> i did not. i found about it and for that? >> that should not have been done. >> who did it? >> there will be some accountability. >> acareer person? >> i found out about this yesterday and i corrected the action. >> okay. so i didn't do it, staff did it and i found out about it yesterday. well, it sure looks like that was a lie and pruitt has been caught red-handed. one of those aides that got the raise had written an e-mail to hr where she definitively stated pruitt approved of her getting a raise. despite these ballooning scandal, trump has stood by his epa chief who one imagines is now hoping everyone gets distracted by today's headlines and forget all about his cascade of ethical lapses. but those ethical lapses are not
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one of those senators was amy klobuchar. senator, welcome. >> thank you. >> what did you learn today? >> first of all, we learned that facebook has admitted that this is a major breach of trust and that mark zuckerberg believes that we should have some privacy rules in place. i think there were a lot of questions still out there. he said he would follow up with me about whether any of the information from cambridge analytica was housed in russia. it was something that the whistleblower at cambridge analytica raised on "meet the press" this weekend. he said he would follow up. as to whether or not there's a disproportionate number of records from certain states, i asked for a state-by-state breakdown. obviously we know how close this election is and we want to know how much the russians were meddling in certain states. but one significant thing that you and i have talked about before is they are now supporting the honest ads act. go figure. and twitter is as well today. and facebook has agreed to
voluntarily put every single paid political ad, issue or candidate up in an archive so you can see it, chris, so opponents can see it in campaigns, and that is a major shift from the last election in 2016. >> yeah, you sponsored legislation that would essentially regulate ads on facebook and other social media platforms in a manner similar to how they are in broadcast. they have to be identified as such. you know you're viewing an ad, et cetera, and they're supporting that as of today. >> right. >> i want to get your reaction to the reaction to the hearing. i saw a lot of this. basically it was like, oh, these -- you know, these senators don't really understand how the internet works and they're median age is high. not you particularly, and again it's no one's fault -- >> thank you, chris. >> -- that they're a senior, good for them. but it was interesting to me to watch the dynamic. people were watching saying, you guys don't get it, i don't like mark zuckerberg, but i don't trust the members of the u.s. senate that they actually have a
grasp here. what's your response to that? >> i think, first of all, no matter how old someone is, you need to have some rules in place. he's admitted that, the senators believe that, the republicans are starting to say it. and i thought, you know, maybe senator durbin has been in congress for a while but no one could have said it better than that question to mark zuckerberg. do you want your private information revealed? no, he doesn't. that is the basic question that we have to answer. our laws have to be as sophisticated as the people that are breaking them and the products they are putting out there. it's not as hard. it's a simple bill of rights for users. you have to be able to make sure that your information is private in a simple way, not in 30 links on a website, one place. do i want to give out my information or don't i? you have to have the right to have a breach, be notified so that if you're a user and your information has gotten out, you shouldn't have to finding out after a tv station notices it.
you should be able to know, say, within 72 hours, which is a question i asked him. so we need to put those things in law, and they certainly need to get their act together with taking on the bots and verifying political ads for truth. i think we could have a whole new world here. but you can't just have one platform saying they're going to do it. it has to apply to all of them. >> is there a deeper question here about just the very basis of this business model? this is the largest entity sort of ever constructed, i think, outside the catholic church or empires, right? you've got a billion users. it's hard to come up with an analogy for something else that has that. are they too big to regulate? is there something sort of profoundly difficult about getting your arms around this company and what they do? >> i think that they wanted to act at the beginning, that no one could regulate them. they're just simply a marketplace for ideas and democracy and cat videos and happy stuff. and what has happened, as time
has gone on, is they have gotten more and more complex in how they are putting their information out there, how it's being analyzed and the way they're targeting these ads. but the bottom line is they're a media company. they're selling ads to make money. and they took information that, for instance, your station wouldn't have been allowed to put out there and gave it to people, to bad guys that shouldn't have had it. so, yes, we could step in and put rules in place. now, we have to get through the house, we have to deal with the administration. there's all kinds of things. but i think that this can be done. and by the way, senator shotts, he's a pretty young guy on the committee. mark warner made his fortune in this area with telcom. he's not on this committee but he's ranking on intelligence. there's a number of us who have been in law or been in business who i think will be able to navigate this. we've had some republicans interested in working with us. i'm going to be putting out some bipartisan legislation tomorrow. >> senator amy klobuchar, thank
russia said it's keeping a close eye on the fleet and the kremlin hit out a trump's handling of the situation. we do not participate in twitter diplomacy we support a serious approach we still believe that it is important not to take any steps that may harm the already fragile situation in syria we are also still convinced that the excuse regarding the use of chemical weapons in duma is made up and cannot be used as an argument for military action russia has moved fast to establish itself in duma this amateur video purportedly shows russian police investigating near the site of the alleged chemical attack moscow says it and the regime are ready to allow a probe but only one which shouldn't assign blame. our correspondents claire richardson standing by in washington and in moscow our bureau chief good morning to both of
you. if we could start with you russia is saying the alleged chemical attack is a fake and cannot be used as a reason for any kind of attack and if also all that. well russia has been constantly denying any chemical attack took place and moscow has invited investigators from the organization for that prohibit of chemical weapons to probe to the scene where that attack allegedly took place syria over the last week and to moscow also had to send its own investigators who found it bolted leonor that ends for any use of chemical weapons since yesterday russian military police military police is acting on the ground in the syrian city of what we just seed seen it in the report where the alleged chemical attack took place russian ministry of defense insists the situation in duma remains stabilized for the last few five days allegedly if there are there to guarantee law and all the however we
see a clear attempt by the russians to downplay the situation as much as possible by the way even russian state run broadcasters since yesterday reduced the antti western rhetoric significantly ok and this new information that we have russian personnel on the ground in duma certainly is a new and important factor right now a close go to you know the white house spokeswoman sara huckabee sanders is saying there's no tying table right now for action in syria is the white house backing off of its previous comments. well her comments are quite troubling given that trumps earlier tweets promising military strikes on syria and the fact that the white house is now saying that all options remain on the table suggests that trump was on twitter promising military action before anything had actually been decided now it's unclear not only what his long term plan is for syria but even in the short term what he really sees as a solution in the region if you remember it was just earlier this month that he was
saying he would like to withdraw all two thousand u.s. troops who are in syria that was against the advice of his military advisers who are wary of another situation like afghanistan or iraq who want to stay there and make sure that the islamic state cannot get another foothold in the region before backing out but this directly contradicts what he was saying earlier this month and so it's unclear from his words alone and from what the white house is saying what kind of action we're going to see. you were mentioning there that goes dialing back the rhetoric how might russia though respond to any possible american military action. well brian russian law make us a warrant already of the united states is that moscow would concede and asked dr take on syria as a war crime that could trigger a direct military clash between the two form a call to walk countries i think sikandar a senior russian lawmaker for example set russia would engage its washington in the
counsel robert muller and the thing that originally made trump's tweets about syria is so usual for the president the fact that he called aside an animal that he pin the blame squarely on russia is that he has been very reluctant to criticize putin himself directly this even as the u.s. administration has taken steps against russia in response to a series of what it sees as missteps it's expelled russian diplomats that it's a sex to be spies it's levied new sanctions on people who thinks are in putin's inner circle but donald trump himself has been criticized on both sides of the aisle for being largely quiet and this is a big departure for him to come out directly and criticize russia on something like this suspected chlorine gas attack clare richardson for us in washington and you're a shadow for us in moscow thanks to both of you this morning. so how does germany figure in all of this we're joined now from our parliamentary studios here in berlin by peter bio he's the german government's new coordinator for transatlantic
cooperation advisor to chance remark on u.s. german relations with the bar thanks so much for being with us today your job is maintaining good relations between germany and the u.s. at a time when an american president derives another head of state in this case for charles as a gas killing animal how are you going to advise chancellor macko on conducting talks with president trump. well first of all the united states remain the most important partner of germany and europe as a whole on the other side of the atlantic go to international on a global scale that is the one fact on the other hand we see in the in the past a development that concerns us that brings a change to how we communicated across the atlantic are asking pair to form a time so we were facing new challenges we see that europe and germany have to take over more responsibility by they say itself to care about or know about their
join in. i don't see this now i think. we won't take an active role there but you might know this one of our ships has already been deployed say an accompanying ship of the does u.s. destroyer in the mid to rainy and but more than that i don't think we will see an active role by germany here ok now how do you view the possibility that a u.s. strike could lead to a direct confrontation with russia. well the stakes are high and dangerous out there again first i hope we won't see anything like that that this will not be necessary first being a second thing is you know from the language from the rhetoric that we see from putin that he's backing baking op the little bit so i don't think that there was see you strong escalation on the other hand you see that the eruption of basser to
the lebanon he has used quite tough rhetoric that one or two days before said you know we will down anything that comes from the u.s. side and its allies and so this is something that worries me and others as well. peter buyer german government's new coordinator for trans a lot of cooperation visor to the chancellor on u.s. german relations thanks very much for being with us thank you very much. airlines around the world are on high alert following the u.s. president on of trump's threat of a strike on syria several carriers have started rerouting scheduled flights as a result of tensions frogs with air france being the first one to announce the measures the allen has modified its schedules for destinations close to syria including flights to beirut and tell of the meanwhile of tons of says it has avoided flying lisa miniature rainy and for some time as
a precautionary measure. well tensions mount around serious talks in china have suffered of the don't from stress let's bring in danielle cope with standing by at the frankfurt stock exchange danny what's the mood with investors that. he has a good heart good to see you investors are still very reluctant and nervous not just in asia where all the major indices were and the red but also here in europe in general during the last weeks i guess we can even say amman's the market was very volatile and with every geopolitical decision or announcement we usually see the shares here on the trading floor dropping after last night when it was announced by the spokeswoman of donald trump that so far at least that's the official version there are no concrete plans for an air strike on syria investors have calmed down a little bit again this was happening after they were very nervous with his tweets also saying that relations with russia have never been as bad not even during the
cold war so far during the trading day we have not seen big losses were even at some time here in the class. v.w. is getting a new c.e.o. but that's not all it looks like the supervisory board is moving its regular session from tomorrow to why the hurry suddenly what are you hearing yeah exactly this was the schedule originally for two more now we're hurtling hurrying that this will be taking place at five pm this afternoon that could last for many hours investors will be waiting for the answers how a possible new volkswagen company could look like the new appointment of how to bet these s. and c. all seems to be a done deal he is not not just going to be the c.e.o. but will also keep his position as a brand chief and most likely the company will be going through the biggest reform since a long time it seems that the company could be split up into different groups or divisions one group could be volkswagen see it and scold us for the big car brands
the other sport cars and the other one called mercial vehicles and we're learning that the commercial vehicle division could even become a public listing public possibly here as a friend for stock exchange. in frankfurt thank you very much for this update. now to the u.s. where minutes from the federal reserve's latest u.s. latest policy meeting in march were released last night and showed the country's central bankers in broad agreement stronger growth in the u.s. means the fed can and should raise rates more aggressively in the next three years two more increases are expected within this year making it a total of three so far and markets are looking for clues that a fourth one might be on the cards but the fed has two big unknowns complicating policymaking the impact of domestic tax cuts and by how much they'll spur growth and the effect of ongoing trade tensions with china.
russia's ruble is falling fast against the u.s. dollar as tensions mount between the two countries washington's new sanctions against russian businessmen and their companies along with sharply escalating diplomatic crisis in syria have seen the ruble plunge to just over fifteen u.s. cents that's a level last seen eighteen months ago since news of the sanctions last friday russia's currency has plunged by about twelve percent. the sanctions washington announced on friday against russia are already beginning to be felt on the streets of moscow the ruble seems to be losing value by the hour the us said the sanctions are in response to charges of russian meddling in u.s. elections and other ongoing issues but the russian prime minister continues to say they are really designed to give the u.s. an unfair advantage that. u.s. administration decision on sanctions is an attempt to fight us through unfair
competition to limit our development to create tensions on the economy and the currency and fun markets. for the time being though the plummeting euro is a more acute problem that's because every day russians know that a weak ruble means trouble is just around the corner because. the sanctions will have negative consequences and the growing exchange rate of the dollar and the euro is a first indication that our economy will experience a drop of president in the week which is bad as the rhetoric heats up over the conflict in syria where russia and the u.s. support opposite sides the ruble continues to slide. the use of the death penalty is declining bots there's a catch there is certainly the human rights organization annecy international says the number of reported judicial executions around the world fell during twenty
seventeen but the group is also warning that the true number of people put to death is not known some countries treat execution numbers as a state secret china for example and as is often the case in china and in a handful of other nations executing its citizens capital punishment is often very public. in iran responsible for carrying out small then hoff of the well it's not executions last year that's according to amnesty international's latest think is in dozens of those cases that meant public execution in iran drug trafficking and blasphemy are among those crimes punishable by death. at least five people were executed in iran for acts committed when they were still under eighteen. and that just four countries were responsible for eighty four percent of all recorded executions last year iran saudi arabia iraq and pakistan but the country
suspected of being the world's leading executioner is china. it's thought to have put thousands to death last year more than the rest of the world put together the because data on the death penalty that is a state secrets exactly how many is a matter of speculation. but not counting china twenty seven thousand so the total number of executions worldwide fall by four percent from the previous year. m misty international says that reaffirms a global trend towards abolition of the death penalty last year a further two countries guinea and mongolia joined the one hundred four who have now abolished capital punishment for a second year in a row the us did not feature among the top five global execution is slipping from positions seven to eight this is due in part to ongoing legal challenges of the use of lethal injection. but as litigation in several states progress is that because
the executions resume. look at some of the other stories making the news the. start of three days of national mourning after a military plane crash that killed two hundred fifty seven people. the russian built transporter went down shortly after takeoff wednesday killing mainly soldiers and their family members the accident is the worst disaster in algeria sistering authorities of started an investigation. sirens have sounded across israel as that country came to a standstill for holocaust remembrance day by minister netanyahu attending a ceremony to remember the millions of jews killed by nazi germany during world war two further ceremonies will also be held at the site of the auschwitz concentration camp in poland later today. we're tearing down to get only where there's a last ditch bit underway to form
a new government for that country an inconclusive election last month saw a surge in support for right wing and anti establishment parties but they are refusing to work together for now and least and if there's no breakthrough the country may have to resort to new elections. contentious politics in rome are as old as the piazza navona billed nearly two thousand years ago the visual splendor of this popular square gives no hint of italy's latest political crisis. more than a month after the country's parliament three elections there's still no new government. behind me a lot today quickly nala the presidential palace where currently the leaders of the three strongest parties a negotiating over italy's future but the search for a new government has rarely been more difficult there are deep political divisions between all the different actors. but generally go in
the first time senator with a populist five star movement is keen on bridging that was divisions with five star topping the vote at over thirty percent go in is ready to head a government but there's no cohen. insite. our leader and we do you mind your can only make offers to the other parties but you cannot answer or decide for them. i think the party took a democratic win and the liberal party should both justify why they don't want to sit down with us and help resolve italy's crisis. a coalition with the right wing populist leader party seemed likely after the election both party leaders are euro skeptics who want to clamp down on migration. but their relations have gone cold legal politicians like john mark. karr candid about their frustration.
i think the leader of the five star party does not understand politics very well when he says he's willing to go either with us or with the democratic party it's clear he has no idea what our party stands for. this is like going to a football match and supporting both teams. for. any. center left party to democratic or or democratic party was the election loser and that's why one of its leaders under the chain is for a one remaining in the opposition he has no intention of helping form then you can tell your government. about these are. worried about these government. programs.
to take a look at south of the election they receive a lot of votes they have their responsibility to. for the future of the country. italy is facing a long political deadlock which could ultimately result in new elections that's however a scenario that none of the parties want at least that they can currently agree on . now how much data does facebook collect on users and on non-users it is a question asked in both the senate and the house but c.e.o. mark zuckerberg sidestepped the direct answer he did though acknowledge his company collects data from users even when they're not on facebook his testimony has raised calls for government regulation. for a second day mark zuckerberg faced the cameras and sat through hours of questioning
from u.s. lawmakers accused of compromising the private data of tens of millions of facebook users he repeated his apology from a day earlier. it's clear now that we didn't do enough to prevent these tools from being used for harm as well and that goes for fake news foreign interference in elections and hate speech as well as developers and data privacy it was my mistake and i'm sorry. zuckerberg gave repeated assurances that he would allocate more facebook staff to help improve data protection but he appeared evasive in response to committee members questions is yes or no if you could will you make the commitment to change all the user to changing all the user default settings to minimize to the greatest extent possible the collection and use of users to congressman this is a complex issue that i think is deserves more than a one word and well again that's disappointing to me because i think you should
make that commitment. while making numerous promises on improving data security second bridge still managed to mange think on specifics legislative and sports now another remarkable night of football in the quarter finals of the champions league the big drama came in spain where it was you ventus managed to come back from three goals down to tie the aggregate score against real madrid extra time was on the cards until the spaniards were awarded a controversy all stoppage time penalty even diskeeper g.g. befall was sent off for his foul mouth protests were naldo stepped up and made no mistake from the spot sending ryall through four three on aggregate loss of a listen now to a very disappointed befall after his dreams of ending his career on a major high were ruined. what should i could have said anything to the referee and he should have had the sensibility to pick give me shit. because what he did is to
commits a crime against sportsmanship. and that's why i said the woods i had to say money. if we knew what he did it would be a by minute also reaching the champions league sami's but there was much less drama there and there no little home dog and severe the result gave them a two one aggregate victory putting them into friday's draw for the last four european football's premier competition. let's get your monitor now the top story we're following for you today russia's military says the syrian government has now taken full control of the rebel stronghold in eastern guta that's including the town of duma last was the site of a suspected chemical attack over the weekend the u.s. has threatened a military response to that alleged attack. we have more on these and other stories that our web site you have you dot com for now though for me brian thomas and the entire team here thanks for being with us.
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summit was less than an hour and didn't have any follow through and that match is reporting the trump administration has no central policy for election security and no one is in charge. while we're running through the facts, note that another appointee flagged that they don't have a key person minding the store in cyber security because the trump administration eliminated the job of cyber security coordinator. so that's a lot of facts. that is the current policy baseline. experts noting the trump approach looks more like cyber lackadaisical than cyber secure. that is the framework for what happened today. a list of intelligence vips, marching into the white house briefing room. and you can see it there. they were rolling deep. you see the leaders of intel announcing that contrary to what their boss says, the recent reports in the news of russian mid-term meddling are true. that russian interference and u.s. politics continues right
2016 election, of course, none of us were in office at that particular time. the president, the vice president, i think everyone on this stage has acknowledged that the ica was a correct assessment of what happened in 2016. our focus here today is simply to tell the american people, we acknowledge the threat. it is real. it is continuing and we're doing everything we can to have a legitimate election that the american people can have trust in. >> so that was the answer. that's the tension on the intelligence. then there is a separate tension about how do you indict is that punish the people identified by very intelligence for attacking american democracy. we all know, there is a busy special counsel operation he has denigrated and lied about. so a question on that was posed to the fbi director who of course, let's not forget has this job because his predecessor was fired because of the same russia probe and that firing is
to the constitution. and there are those who took their oaths to mean they had to stand up to criminal conduct when they discovered it among their peers or superiors but the director's statement could mean nothing because it is leaning on a cliche rather than stating unegive economy the fbi director has the president's back, isn't going to change his actions or words just because the president down the hall keeps running down the probe. there's one more thing we can glean and it came from dan coats, the one who chose to tell everyone before that trump was hiding the putin meeting's contents from him which is something he doesn't have to put on black in front of the nation. but he did it again today. this was not an issue of timing or delay. it has been three weeks and your nation's top intelligence officials doesn't know what happened in helsinki. >> in the run-up to the helsinki
summit, the u.s. officials, the nato ambassadors to russia said the president would raise the issue of activity. he didn't discuss it, at least at the press conference. you're saying the president has directed you to make the issue of election meddling a priority. how do you explain the disconnect between what you are saying, his advisers, and what the president has. about this issue? >> i'm not in a position to either understand fully or talk about what happened at helsinki. >> he's not in a position. meaning he still doesn't know. there is an old brooklyn saying about that moment of insight that hits you when you learn a truthful if you don't know, now you know. under trump, dan coats has turned that upside down saying he didn't know and he still doesn't. he is the one person in charge of our u.s. national security secrets.
if he still doesn't know, that sounds like a problem for all of us. we begin with ken dillanan. there's been a great deal of reporting and schools. thank you for joining me. >> thank you. good to be here. >> when you look at that united front, what do you see as the positive and what do you see as problematic that was clearly left unsaid? >> that was such a fascinating mixture of truth in fiction, of cynicism and earnestness. the fiction and the sincynicisms john bolten saying that from the moment donald trump took office, he has had a strong and forceful policy to do you meaner foreign enter sxrengs russian meddling. that's just false. we've reported that it is false. anyone who has a twitter feed knows that's untrue. what he has done is, even
tonight hours after this event, donald trump gave a speech and he again referred to the russian hoax. he said his relationship could be good but it is hindered by the russian hoax. so that was ridiculous. but chris wray, paul, the head of the national security agency, and dan coats, i really believe do have an interest in trying to do something and they did want to communicate to the american people the government does recognize this is a problem. they're trying on flag that the russians still throughout intervening and there are some things that they are doing about it. the most interesting thing that i heard was paul, a general and who commands cyber command, the nation's cyber war force. he was prepared to go after foreign meddlers. and he seemed to suggest that he had presidential authorization to do that. i think it is up in the air. we need to pin it down of he can't use the vast cyber arsenal at his disposal unless donald
trump allows him to do that. but that was the biggest news. other things them we already knew. yes, the russians continue to meddle in our politics. yes, dhs is receiving out to shore up cyber security. yes, the fbi has a foreign task force and no, there is no presidential leadership. there is to central unifying -- >> let's dig into that point you raised. it is common to say this is better than nothing. it is a low bar for the administration. so while better than nothing, doesn't it still look like the cyber security plan is a headless body where the folks do what they can but we all know and see that the head of the government is undercutting them before and after. >> yes. and the biggest evidence of that is that they're having this news
conference 100 days before the mid-terms. bits a year and a half too late. none of this behavior by the russians stopped at all after the 2016 election. particularly the intervention on facebook and twitter, the attempt to divide americans by creating false personas and stirring up trouble. that's been going on. and dan coats gave a speech where he said the system is blinking red. so yes. you're right. we can shore up our cyber defenses and we can do a lot of things on try to defend. but the russian intelligence hackers are always going to get in in some fashion. the way that you stop them is to deter them. and the only person who can do that is donald trump. >> and just briefly, to that final point. one of the issues with the obama administration and the perils that are posed, was, quote, obama's approach, the "washington post" noted, don't make things worse. obama's advisers concern any pre election response could provoke an escalation from putin. putting aside the trump piece of
this, what is the problem for the pus as you put it, lives in a glass house when it comes to escalating a cyber global war? >> that was a reasonable concern by barack obama. we are the most vulnerable of any society. we are the most internet connected. and we are extremely vulnerable to russian cyber attack. and they are in our networks, including the critical infrastructure. most intelligence officials and experts that i talked on feel like, what else can we do? there has to be a response to this. we are wide open to an attack on our democracy. and the russians have not been deterred in the least and there has to be something we can do to deter them. >> thank you so much. all over the story. as we turn to our next guest, i want to look at march of next year. the senate intel committee was looking at these issues and they heard testimony from a former fbi special agent. and he said something that has echoed in people's heads ever
since. >> this is not new for the russians. they've done this for a long time across europe. but he was much more engaging this time in our election. why now? mr. watts? >> i think this answer is very simple and what no one is really saying in this room which is, part of the reason request active measures have worked in this u.s. election is because they've used active measures at times against his points. on 11 october, president trump stood on a stage and cited what appeared to be a fake news story from put nick news that disappeared from the internet. he denies the intel from the boouts russia. he claims that the election could be rigged, that was the number one thing pushed by sputnik all the way until the election. >> i want to bring in clint watts.
in a social media world, hackers and fake news, as a person involved in law enforcement, you don't get any personal pleasure. you go from being early and right about something that is such a massive problem. but the way you put it there in a serious setting to congress, that early on, was far ahead of where people were comfortable stating the problem that you said these russian active measures were put in place basically more effectively because of the way donald trump behaved. how does that context apply? >> it is a happy, sad moment. that is a briefing that should have happened in february 2017. president trump was briefed about this before the inauguration, we know now. and yet there was no response. and the person that should have been leading that press conference today is the commander in chief of this country. it is his job to defend all americans against enemies, foreign and domestic. and particularly when they come together. he should be trying to ensure the integrity of our electoral
process or democratic institutions. so what was fascinating today was essentially, the leaders of these institutions, many of whom have been battered by the boss, are now moving around them to serve the american people. i thought director wray's yomts on target. he said in charge of our organization and this is what we're going to do. the swam the nsa director. he said i'm willing to strike back against russia and i might do it. it is almost independent. it is shocking that we're talking about this. this should be led by a task force, headed by the commander in chief. it should come from the national security staff and it should be an integrated strategy. what if we launch the cyber attack but we come up against the adversary. what if they turn off the lights in one of our cities. this requires coordination. while i'm happy to see the advances being made, and i'll sure this is a reaction to that
helsinki summit and the fear th that many americans have, about interference in our election, i'm still really worried that the right hand and the left hand don't know what each is doing. >> and this is now. this is not litigating 2016. helsinki is now. whatever was secretly discussed is operative now. the mid-term meddling is now. do you have a view, given the great expertise, beyond what most of us have access to, what dan coats is doing there and repeatedly saying he's out of the loop? >> yeah. i think he is trying to make sure that he is honest with the congress which is oversight over him, and with the public. i find value in that. while i'm disappointed what his answer is, at least he's telling the truth saying this is my position and this is what my job is and this is what i know. what makes me nervous, as we saw on that stage in aspen, he didn't even know that the white
house would extend an invitation to vladimir putin to come to the united states. this is stunning for the head of our intelligence to be that out of the loop. so while i like how a lot of these leaders, these institutions are moving around the president, i'm alarmed where our country is. a year and a half later, we're just now saying we'll do something about the attack two years ago. >> you make such an important appointment. something rachel has been all over in her reporting. if the head of intel doesn't know the decision is being made to give putin that benefit, that honor, then obviously they're not even making a pretense of having consulted him which means that decision is not being made based on u.s. intelligence some of the other thing. and questions whether there's anything nefarious. there clint watts, we really appreciate your time tonight. >> thank you. >> we have a lot more coming including day three of paul manafort's trial. stay with us.
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look bad for the defendant because we hear one side, the first best arguments. in this case that's mueller's laser focus on manafort's finances which were presented as lavish, shady, sneaky, and in some cases bizarre. even though the defense is here to come, here's why there was so much bad news for the defendant. manafort's book deeper took stand, paymenting a picture on the boss breaking the law. gates will take the stand we learned today. to be clear, the testimony could reverberate well beyond this trial. for all the talk of people flipping and the intrigue about what mike filppula or george papadopoulos may have told mueller, when gates speaks under oath in public in this trial, it will be the first time we actually hear a trump campaign aide legally turn on another trump campaign aide. and the other development might be a little more melodramatic.
we return to the ostrich jacket. there was an effort to keep the photos away of his sartorial taste. the suits and the $15,000 ostrich jacket. prosecutors argued that through wire transfers, as he controlled to u.s. vendors, that it is directly relevant to the elements of the offenses. that's very lawyerly and we'll show you why. the judge responded, i'm well aware the evidence is relevant and that's why i permitted the government to introduce the amounts of money that he spent. the relevance being, okay, do you know the receipts. the judge goes on to say, what i have not permitted is to gild the lily. if he spent a lot of money on fancy clothes or watches,
they're not men's warehouse clothes but it wouldn't matter if he spent money on men's warehouse clothes. you want to introduce pictures of these suits. that meaning the picture aspect itself isn't relevant at this point and kind of besmirches the defendant. it engenders feelings against rich people gently. so that's how they get sue the details. they have a reason the want to have the jury see with their own eyes the fancy spending. some of this sounds like an episode of the rich and famous. you almost don't need the pictures. they're talking about a $10,000 system put in the house with red and white flowers shaped like an m and a man made pond that was complete with a water fall feature. the receipts are, of course, who we mentioned from the bookkeeper, she said she dwelt the income expenses and the
super rich consultant was living a lie. he was on his way to being broke. he laid to finance institutions to get loans. he couldn't pay his own family's health bills. the prosecution asked, did there come a time when manafort had trouble paying his bills? and she said yes. here's where it comes together. that was part of what was presented today. that was part of 2016. evidence showing manafort needed money. instead of seeking a new consulting gig, his man was to take a demanding full time high stress job as a volunteer. we all know that because he had a written pitch to trump which offered his campaign services for free. no paid job. the worst news for manafort is that all of this written evidence today suggests he was broke and that led him to commit alleged financial crimes. the wider question no matter what happens in this trial is whether paul paul manafort's plan to work for free was itself
another financial lie. did eave plan, executed or not torsion use the trump campaign like prosecutors alleged he would use so many others. as witting or unwitting accomplice to new different illegal money schemes. to be fair, that is not what is charged in this trial. but to be fair, this investigation ain't over either. we're now joined by the correspondent for politico and msnbc contributor, and barbara mcquaid, an msnbc analyst. your day of day three. >> i think that they want to make the case as they said in their trial brief. this isn't just a matter of spending money. it is spending money very lavishly. one of the things they have to prove, when paul manafort signed his income tax returns, he knew they were false statements. he knew the amount of income he was declaring was far less than what he had. how do you show that?
you show it by showing all of the different things he's spending money on. and i'm concern that had information is coming in so quickly, so fast, so much, that the jury is having a hard time keeping up. when you see the pictures, it does bring that home. and it helps explain the motive for the bank fraud charges which is the cash dries up and this is someone who loves money. so when the cash dries up, he needs and is desperate for cash which is why ted bank fraud torsion get the money he needed to pay his expenses. >> well, i am reminded of an owed english teach here used to say, show, doernlt tell. the problem is that the judge is insisting that the prosecutors only tell and very rarely show. so as a result as barbara is alluding to, jurors are getting the equivalent of a ledge order expenses which may not carry as much weight as seeing the actual items. the prosecutors say they're not
trying to make fun of manafort or besmirch his reputation but to say these are not business expenses. these are personal expenses. they could not be any other. these oriental rugs were not going into an office. they were going into his homes. and they're kinds of spending that could not conceivably relate to any legitimate business expense. >> which goes to something we've seen in other cases where there's an accountant's defense. people say, hey, my people were doing this. a lot of money flies around. if you have enough ostrich jackets and the jury says, i remember the ostrich jacket, don't you remember it, it clears that hurdle. i wonder if you could speak to the mueller team that they want to give more than one reason why manafort acted this way. today in the spotlight, the reason was he was desperate, he was broke, and he made these decisions. but they've also separately made the arguments by suggesting in
written filings that he was greedy. to use a more proverbial word, scummy. why do you think they're using more than one theory of why he would allegedly commit these crimes? >> i think they need on establish theories for both sets of counts in this case. there is a seventh counts that relates to the filing of false income tax returns. for that part the purpose is showing his knowledge of the income. and them there is a series of charges related to bank fraud. with regard to those charges, they need to show the motive that he was running out of cash. so that's why he was involved with this money. so there are two different motives. two different theories for the two different sets of cases. the legal standard under the rules of evidence is the evidence should be permissible unless it is substantially more prejudicial than it is probative. because it is probative, these the things he himself brought, it is hard to argue that it is stlangs more prejudicial than probative. >> and josh, what about the big
question that we've teed pup has come up before in reporting in "new york times," and your publication as well, that this was an unusual volunteer arrangement? >> there is no question about that. and at a particular moment. i think this case span as long period of time. from 2010 back to 2005 to 2016 and 2017 right into the heart of the campaign and beyond. in 2010, manafort seemed to be doing okay. he was bringing in a lot of money. and the oligarchs supporting the party of regents. he spent $60 million in ukraine. you can manage to spend a few years on $60 million but hit begun to dry up in 2015 and 2016 and that's when the desperation set in. and the real question is, was that job at the top of the trump campaign a product of this desperation? was he going to go through the
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the russian national has been hired by guess who? the u.s. secret service and was interested in access to the e-mail systems which gave a potential window into confidential material including the schedules of the president and vice president. investigators have established that she was having regular and unauthorized meetings of russia's principal security agency. it was operating under the umbrella of our own u.s. government undetected for, yes, a decade. what kind of damage could have been done over all that time? and what happens next? this is a big one. i guess we should start with this. where does this person fit in? >> well, i only learned about it when press reporters started poking around about it. i did not know about it when i
was ambassador. it sounds like this woman worked for me when i was there. we don't want people interacting with people, having access to information. there's good news. i think it is highly unlikely that she had access to classified information. that just does not happen for russians, for foreign nationals working there. because she worked for the secret service, she would probably have access to the president and vice president. >> walk us through on the scale of possible, risk, impossible. there were all kinds of explicit measures taken against you and your team there. so you obviously, this is not
like working in the canadian embassy. the u.s. embassy to canada, to be precise. did it cross your mind that this was part of the secret service and the embassy? >> absolutely. of course. with good reason. and i need to be careful about what i talk about and what i don't. when i go to meet with members of civil society, i would show up and there would be all kinds of protesters there. sometimes as many as 50 protesters outside, blocking the doorway for how i could get in there. how did they know my schedule? these were not announced meetings. so one way might be through cyber activity. another might be from people like the individual that were working with us and somehow got access to the calendar. remember, she didn't work close
to me. this woman in the secret service. they got to know my body guards moo who have were russians. they got to know different staff members and that's the other way that information transfer could happen. >> very few as well. the most messed up part of this. and this is probably not something, if you say you're just learning about it. it doesn't involve your leadership. the report is that the secret service quietly terminated this person and there is no indication of any other measures of accountability. this comes at a time when they're talking about indictments of russians and hoping to potentially get them. others could be caught if they're traveling and face justice. could you shed any light on at least this mill report that it sounds like this person was quietly fired? >> well, i would say two things.
three things. one, i don't know the full facts. we could not have arrested her on her territory. so that's different with her than this individual. but three, there should have been a thorough investigation. in fact, oftentimes we on run counter intelligence on someone like that to follow them. to understand what they're doing to try to get greater fidelity as to how the fsb works. and remember, it dedicated lots and lots of resources. i'm being vague with this. first and foremost mergs and they're really good at it. to dismiss somebody without trying to investigate and figure out what they were doing, if that holds to be true, then that was probably a mistake. >> and final question then. certainly can't arrest them on
sovereign territory out of the blue. but reportedly that this was a mole inside the secret service and you want that information, they were in u.s. employ. so what about holding them there? >> you watch a lot of spy shows, don't you? >> spy shows? i just watch the news. >> that's a very interesting idea. should that have been done before? that's a great observation. that was an employee. if everything that has been reported is true, i want to keep saying that. i don't know the actual facts. we should have taken more precautions. and obviously this person was not fulfilling their contract as has been reported. and we want to know more than just sweeping this under the rug and moving on.
we want to take advantage when we learn this. we did have some good intelligence that we know allegedly that she was reporting to senior fsv officials. we should have taken more appropriate measures to learn more about what happened including i'm not a lawyer and i don't pre tent to be one. but including, of course, was there criminal activity that should have been investigated. >> it is an intriguing story as you mentioned. it is a brand new one from guardian so we may yet learn a lot more. we appreciate your expertise. thank you for spending some time with us document. >> sure. thank you for having me. >> appreciate it. up next, a friendly game you might want to play of name that town. ♪ ooh, heaven is a place on earth ♪
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this was back when jordan served as an assistant wrestling coach at ohio state in the '80s and '90s. now more than 100 men have come forward with allegations of abuse by that doctor. six dayi insaying they do have to believe that he knew. there is some debate there. the congressman denies knowing about this. he has actually alleged this entire story, which to be clear in its outlines has wide corroborati corroboration, is a choreographed attack by the left. >> the reason you see the left coming at me and lies being told is because we're being effective. >> the guy who is making the most noises has a criminal background. >> it seems to me it was sequenced and choreographed by the left and everything they
have done. >> the timing is suspect when you think about how this whole story came together. >> jim jordan has taken this on by arguing he's a victim of people only doing this for politics. jordan is running for speaker, so he would be the most powerful person in congress, as well as second in line to the presidency of the vice president. congressman jordan has been pressuring victims of the abuse to recant on aspects of their allegations. two ex-wrestlers saying the day after they made these accusations, that jordan got another retired coach to reach out and pressure them into issues statements of support for jordan. one saying i will defend jordan until i have to put my hand on the bible and tell the truth. then he will be on his own. the next wrestler saying when he refused, jordan's allies began attacking him. what a world we live in when a
member of congress is digging up dirt on sex abuse victims like us. jordan's people say that he has many supporters and of course we encourage folks to speak the truth. whether the new reports will change anything about jordan's political race here in the house is open. the president and republican leaders have not weighed in in any great detail. this vein of reporting is a campaign issue in the ohio special election. that's the race next week. there is a new ad there online ask whether he stands with the victims or stands with jim jordon while he was a coach and the approach he took. i turn to jonathan allen who is out in the field looking at all of these races. what is important to you? on the one hand, he stands not accused of the original
misconduct. yet, the way he responded raised new questions with the very effective community, including people who say they were victims. >> right, ari. you not only have these allegations that jordan was aware of and turned a blind eye but now allegations of a cover up. that quote you read before is devastating. i'm going to be with jimmy until i have to swear on a bible. this is really tough stuff. i think the problem for republicans right now is there is a little bit of that washington bubble. they seem to forgot what happened to them in the 2006 midterms when there was a coverup with the mark foley page scandal. a lot of them weren't in congress then. they seem to be unaware of the larger moment in american history where you have got all these sexual abuse revelations, starting back in the penn state case and the joe paterno team.
you can only imagine what democrats will do over the next few weeks, given all the attacks on nancy pelosi in the past. what would happen if nancy pelosi was the speaker? you can imagine the ads on what if jim jordan was the speaker of the house? >> do you think this cuts across party lines out there? >> absolutely. this is one of those issues that does cut through because unfortunately sexual abuse has, you know, hurt so many people in our country. and even people who aren't victims of it certainly can understand. this isn't a partisan or political issue. it is a character issue. >> right. it goes to not only what happened, how did it look in the moment from what someone saw, but given what has been called out in the reckoning, how do you deal with it now?
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and it certainly seems that this has to do with some of roger stone's more personal life, perhaps maybe his finances. we know that that's something that the special counsel has been looking at. others who have come before the special counsel, there have been others who have been asked questions about roger stone, but exactly why her we don't know. roger stone always the colorful person that he is issued a statement in response to this. she was at the special counsel on wednesday and here is what roger stone had to say about it, he says that kristin davis is a long time friend and associate of mine, i am the fod father to her two-year-old son. she knows nothing about russia collusion, wikileaks, collaboration or any other impropriety related to the 2016 election which i thought was the subject of this probe. he then says that he understands that she appeared voluntarily. i am highly confident she will testify truthfully if called upon to do so. we don't know if she actually testified before the grand jury. we believe, though, that she just met with special counsel and, again, really this story,
this investigation just has everything as to what her role here is and what exactly the special counsel wants from her, we really don't know. >> thank you so much for the reporting piece of this. let's get some legal analysis. with me now joey jackson and bob bianchi who is the former head prosecutor in morris county, new jersey. so, gentlemen, joey, let me start with you. so the fact that mueller's team met with davis this week, this manhattan madam as she is known in a previous lifetime of hers, what does your gut tell you about what they're looking for as a lawyer? >> brooke, always a pleasure. always a pleasure with you, bob bianchi, too. the reality is we can't look at this isolation, you have to look at this in the broader context. we have this probe going on by the spenl counsel and what shoe has not dropped? the shoe relating to i won't say collusion because it's not a crime, conspiracy which is the agreement to commit an illegal
act. if you do an illegal act with a foreign power it's problematic. how does all this relate? stone happened to be an adviser, strategist to the campaign and stone apparently was in contact with a twitter handle that was tied back to the russians and russian intelligence officers. so it demonstrates to me that the special counsel is focusing on stone. we cannot look at this interview in isolation. who else were they looking at? they were looking at andrew miller another associate of stone, they are looking at other people who are of, relating and concerning stone. so what it means to me is they are trying, that is the special counsel, to get that nexus to russia. what does roger stone know and who would know what he knows but people familiar with him, his associates and people who have an understanding of his m.o., mod does operandi and that would be of course someone who you are the godfather to your two-year-old son. it should be noted the special counsel asked the question as to whether he was actually the
father of the son. it demonstrates to me that the special counsel is trying to establish that link to russia so once and for all we can put to bed the question who if anyone on trump's campaign was excluding -- excuse me, conspiring with russia. >> it's what she knows, if she knows anything injury ma inn to what request he you posed. i was talking to this document tearian on roger stone. they are all this footage, they were saying the most recent part of the arc of the relationship that was kristin davis and roger stone was the fact that she was his personal assistant, his clerical assistant and that a lot of information would have come through her. that said, bob, the fact is that she went in to talk to the mueller team on wednesday voluntarily. what would that tell you? >> brooke, great to be on with you and joey. always a measure. it tells me that there is disaster, storm clouds looming over mr. stone.
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servers, guccifer 2.0, wikileaks. they are not looking at these things as coincidences, they are looking at it and saying was somebody else involved in this higher up the food chain so if i were representing him i would download all the data he's got, i would go to the u.s. attorneys and say, hey, guys, are you interested? >> gentlemen, a pleasure. thank you so much. >> thank you, brooke. >> thank you. still ahead here, a suspected russian spy working inside the u.s. embassy in moscow not for one year or two, but for more than a decade. details on how she was caught and what information she had access to. also ahead, china strikes back, threatening a new round of $60 billion in tariffs as pay back for president trump's latest escalation. so we will talk about whether the trade threats are enough to derail an otherwise booming economy. and later a black woman trying to help the homeless is instead accused of stealing, and police show up to question her. we will talk to her live about
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not a bad thing. that's a really good thing. now we're being hindered by the russian location. it's a hoax, okay? >> those comments coming mere hours after the heads of the fbi, homeland security, national intelligence warned the threat is real from russia. all of them saying the interference is still happening. >> the intelligence community continues to be concerned about the threats of upcoming u.s. elections. both the midterms and the presidential elections of 2020. >> our democracy itself is in the cross-hairs. >> make no mistake, the scope of this foreign influence threat is both broad and deep. >> with me now cnn contributor frank bruni an op-ed columnist for "the new york times." thank you for coming back in. his intelligence chiefs just about this time yesterday could not have been more crystal clear and to see trump later that
night refer to it as a hoax it's almost like two different foreign policies from the same white house. >> it's a tug of war within the administration, i think it's been going on for a long time. donald trump is all over the place, it is the russians, it isn't the russians, it's a 400 pound person. we've heard almost everything. the people around him, the more steady people around him, the people that were at the white house briefing room yesterday in that extraordinary assemblage that you saw, they get this and they're steady on it and certain about it. i guarantee you that donald trump did not ask them to go out and do that, but the good thing is they would never have done that without his permission. so for that moment in time and it means there are moments in time he did understand the graffiti of this, he did understand that his white house, his administration has to be sending a message to the american people that he gets it, but of course he gets it momentarily and then later on -- >> hang on a second. you're saying you don't think he sent them out there, but it certainly would have had to have his blessing to do that. then whose idea would that have been? >> i don't think that was his
idea. i think it was the idea of those officials. those who convinced him we need to be unwavering. conversations like ours they know there are reasonable americans who have serious doubts about whether this president is compromised about russia, about why this president can't say that there was russian interference and it's an enormous problem for this democracy. for a moment in time they were able to communicate to the president this administration needs to make a strong statement. just visually that was an unbelievably strong statement. you had the national security adviser, the director of national -- you had a lineup of people. >> which is so different normally from various guests who come on at the beginning of a briefing who stand there and filibuster and almost they hope to be this bright shiny object to deflect off what needs to be addressed in the briefing. >> right. >> so this next monday will mark three weeks since helsinki. i know. three weeks. i know.
and the director of national intelligence dan coats stood up there and fielded a question and it is clear to everyone in the room and everyone watching that he still doesn't know what happened between trump and putin. watch. >> i'm not in a position to either understand fully or talk about what happened at helsinki. >> not only did he not -- he wasn't able to answer, he then deferred to -- john bolton comes up and john bolton stands up there and quotes putin. >> right. >> alarm bells being raised? >> i don't think we are ever going to know exactly what happened in that conversation. >> what about the director of national intelligence, though. >> a, i don't think they've been able to get a briefing from trump that they trust. here is the thing, i mean, they can sit down with him, he can say here is what we talked b i'm not sure any of them -- because i think a lot of them are very seasoned people -- i'm not sure any of them think for a moment they are getting the full story from the president. i don't see that to imply something nefarious went on. something nefarious may have
gone on, we don't know, but they work for a man whose unsteadiness they see minute by minute, hour by hour and they know he cannot be trusted to remember fully what he said, to be fully honest about t how often do we talk about this president's strange relationship with the truth. that is not only when he is at a microphone speaking to the american people or speaking to reporters, it's throughout the day. >> frank bruni, thank you so much. >> thank you. the $15,000 ostrich coat, the $18,000 python jacket, the stories of his lavish lifestyle setting the stage. now prosecutors are diving into the heart of this case, the details about paul manafort's alleged bank and tax fraud. day four of this trial is under way and we are still waiting to hear from the star witness from the prosecution's side, manafort's former right-hand man rick gates. manafort's legal team has signaled they plan to make gates a key portion of its defense, trying to blame gates for manafort's alleged crimes and
because he controlled them and under u.s. law he is supposed to declare these foreign bank accounts on his taxes. we also heard from one of the first -- this is the first of five witnesses who have been given immunity to testify against paul manafort. cindy laporta who is one of his accountants, she talked about how she saw some very suspicious -- some very strange-looking loans, one for $900,000, $1.5 million was another one, and she didn't see all the documentations for these loans, which raise concerns for her. we also heard that from one of his other accountants that he was being asked by paul manafort to assure a bank that one property that he owned on fifth avenue, trump tower property, was being used as his personal residence when, in fact, it was being used as a rental property. of course, that affects his taxes. so according to the government this is the key part of this case, right? that paul manafort lied to his
accountan accountants, loo id to his bookkeeper, lied to the fbi. we briefly heard, by the way, brooke, from paul manafort's main defense lawyer, kevin downing today in court and he really kind of focused on the complications of paul manafort's taxes. i think what we're going to get from them, from the defense, is, look, paul manafort was a wealthy guy, his taxes are really, really complicated, jurors don't buy what the government is telling you if there were mistakes made it's because it's so complicated. >> evan perez, again, waiting for rick gates to testify. thank you so much for the update on all things paul manafort. as the unemployment rate falls again, china retaliating in the president's trade war. look at the numbers today. up 135 points here with 40 minutes to go. here the dramatic move and we will ask how far will this go economically speaking. and new details on the accused russian spy who got close to everyone from republicans to treasury officials, how she
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she was found today in the new york city borough of queens. police say she is safe. that she is now in the custody of her parents. that's all i know so far. i know there is all kinds of questions out there so you know investigators are on there nd and as soon as we get updates we will pass them along. let's talk about the economy, new unemployment figures out today, the positive news the rate has dropped to 3.9% that is nearly an 18-year low, but economists do point out that wages are rising at a much slower rate than they have in previous economic booms so far. the threat of a trade war has not slowed economic growth, something president trump was touting at that rally last night in pennsylvania. >> manufacturing, consumer and business confidence has reached the highest level in the history of our country. i'd say that's pretty good. confidence is a good thing. having confidence, what do you think, having confidence is good, right?
if you have confidence and you know what you're doing, you can't lose. now that we have the best economy in the history of our country, this is the time to straighten out the worst trade deals ever made by any country on earth at any time. >> here are the concerns, there are worries that the president's tariffs could put the brakes on growth, the administration is threatening to raise tariffs from 10% to 25% on $200 billion of chinese imports. today china retaliated saying it would add its own tariffs on $60 billion of u.s. imports. cnn went to spartanburg, south carolina, where a lot of jobs are tied to the bmw plant there. 80,000 cars made at that plant are exported to china. one county commissioner who supports president trump says he is worried about a trade war. >> i'm extremely concerned because the impact, the ripple effect, it goes beyond bmw and the automotive industry. these tariffs could put the foot
on the throat of growth and stop it. we don't need that. >> richard quest is with me now and, you know, so the unemployment numbers continuing to go down, wonderful news. jobs -- the wage not as fast as it should be. what's going on? >> well, that is a slight concern, not only because americans want to have higher wages. >> yeah. >> but at this point in the cycle we should be seeing more wage growth. effectively to all intents and purposes the united states is now at full employment. arguably anybody who wants a job there is a job for them. >> okay. >> and that creates a pricing pressure because suddenly companies can't find workers. suddenly employers are having to bid up wages and we're not seeing that fully yet. now, it could still happen. so there are still great uncertainties. a lot of unease about what is happening longer term in the economy, but make no bones about it, the president is right in
the sense of the economy is -- is in sparkling form and now is the time to sort out the trade issues if you want to have a trade battle. >> well, on that i was talking to a pork farmer last week, we were talking about that $12 billion bailout. while the farmers are grateful for the help he was saying that that is not the long-term solution at all. >> it's not even enough. it's not even enough. if this carries on, that $12 billion will be spent and gone in no time at all. the thing i think we should focus on today, besides -- look at the market, it's on a frol lick of its own. >> on a frolic. >> frolic of its own, and it's august. >> you want to talk about toyota. >> i do, because toyota had results and toyota warned today what the effects would be. it says about $1,800 on a camry from tariffs from a domestically made camry. $6,000 extra on an imported
camry. so this trade war will have an effect. prices will go up and companies are now warning of the real damage being done. the paragraph says this is a pain that has to be endured for the longer good and that now is the time to do it. the et volunteerers in the midterm will decide that of course. >> that will be looming depending on how this looks -- >> frolic of its own. >> frolic of its own. use that in a sentence over the weekend. richard quest, thank you so much. coming up next this russian woman who had access to the state department and secret service, she was caught meeting with russian intel. how this suspected spy got away with working inside the u.s. embassy in moscow for over a decade. when i received the diagnoses,
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security? how do you see this? >> for sure it's an issue of national security. in any u.s. embassy overseas typically we rely on what are called foreign service nationals, that is locals who are going to work at the embassy. that said, they are generally subjects of a great deal of scrutiny and vetting before they are hired, specifically because they are locals, it's sometimes unclear where their loyalties may lie and certainly in a place like russia anybody -- any foreign service national who is at the u.s. embassy is in a great position to collect intelligence on the u.s. and on u.s. personnel. so it's kind of astounding to me that this could be classified as anything but an issue of national security. that's exactly what it is. >> so the secret service says that this woman was never in a position to obtain national security secrets but the fact that she was on the inside, lindsey for more than a decade,
what potential threats would this pose? >> i think it poses a lot of potential threats. first of all, she obviously had access to the secret service intranet and their e-mail system. so certainly she had access to internal communications possibly and probably access to the schedules of visiting american personnel, of the president, the president's spouses. so that's very sensitive information. now, look, this is not the first time we've seen the secret service as an agency show kind of galling lack of accountability when it comes to counterintelligence. if you think back to 2012 when there was this scandal in colombia with secret service agents soliciting and could sororitying with colombian prostitutes there was hull la bloo about the moral implications of secret service agents cheating on their wives or whatever but there wasn't a lot of attention given to the larger and more critical issue
of when you have secret service agents in compromising positions that's a huge counterintelligence threat and concern. >> hullabaloo then and now. it's not like this video, you know, was in there for six months. >> right. >> this is ten years. >> she was there for a decade, right. >> ten years. >> and that's a long period of time. >> what kind of safeguards, precautions, are in place to expose people like this? >> well, i was really a pounded to learn that this came up in a routine investigation conducted by investigators from the regional securities office there because i would certainly think that for any foreign service national working in the u.s. embassy in moscow there would be investigations and scrutiny beyond a five-year routine check. i think we will find out more about the circumstances of how this woman was hired and whether or not she was vetted, and my guess would be that it wasn't all above board or kosher or by
typical hiring protocol. >> sure. while i have you, in other russia spy news, the alleged russian spy, maria butina, her spy skills leave a lot of people saying that she was this not so secret agent because sources say at least two times she was inebriated, she bragged about her connections with the russian government, comments that were so alarming that two of her classmates reported them to law enforcement. would someone in her situation be told to keep a low profile and maybe stop taking too many shots with your colleagues? >> for sure she would have been instructed by her handler to maintain a low profile. i don't think that she went to any kind of elite russian intelligence training academy. i think she was essentially what's called an access agent and she was a target of opportunity for russian intelligence. they realized that they could manipulate her. but, look, spies are not always
the most stable people and they are human, that's why it's called human intelligence. so it's not to say she wasn't a spy, she just wasn't a good spy. >> thank you so much. >> thank you. coming up next an african-american woman trying to help the homeless instead questioned by police after a grocery store employee called 911 on her. we will talk to her about how this happened. in my johnsonville commercial, it starts out in the park, and a family is grilling johnsonville brats. one of the kids asks, "where are johnsonville brats made?" and the mom says, ♪"johnsonville brats are made in the usa."♪ all of a sudden, the fire department storms in, yelling, ♪"johnsonville brats are made in the usa!"♪ the teachers come. the mayor comes. you won't believe it: lady liberty shows up. she's going, ♪"johnsonville brats are made in the usa!"♪ and the wolf huffed and puffed... like you do sometimes, grandpa?
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napping while black, golfing while black, mowing the wall now black, now you can add eating lunch to the growing list of reasons people call police on african-americans for no good reason. a student at smith college in massachusetts says a school employee called police on her because she appeared, quote/unquote, out of place. she was eating her lunch and reading a book in a room that is only available to people with key card access, which, by the way, she has because she's also a teaching assistant. so she says she remembers someone pacing back and forth by the door just looking at her shortly after an officer arrived who she credits with deescalating the whole thing. >> hi. >> how are you doing? >> good. how are you. >> we were wondering why you were here. >> i was eating lunch. i'm working the summer program so i was just relaxing on my -- >> you were taking a break. >> yeah.
>> you are with one of the summer programs. >> yeah, i'm actually a t.a. >> so that's what it was? >> all right. >> he didn't know who it was. he watches over -- >> yeah. i -- it's okay. it's just like kind of stuff like this happens way too often where people just feel like threatened. >> the school and the campus police issued statements condemning the unnecessary 911 call. they say they have reached out to the student and opened an investigation. to california now, for this one. a woman who had the police called on her when she was trying to help the homeless. erica martin says employees at a safeway supermarket in mountain view california picked up the phone and called 911 on her and her family last month because apparently the store suspected them of shoplifting. so i want you to listen here, this is the video that her sister recorded on her cellphone once police arrived to question them. >> right here at safeway mountain view.
someone called the police on erica and accused her of stealing. she was in her car the whole time. this is crazy. crazy. now four cops here. for one black person. absolutely nuts. >> safeway has since apologized but erica says she was actually helping a homeless man that she knew, giving him some treats and food for his dog. so, erica and her sister faith join me now. so, ladies, thank you so much for coming on and, erica, let me start with you. help me understand, take me back to this moment. y'all are at the grocery store, you know, with your kids and what happens? >> my sister and i we were at the grocery store and i had saw the homeless guy, his name is rabbit, and i, you know, gave him the bag of dog food through
the window and i was feeding his dog through the window. i saw my sisters come into the parking -- safeway parking lot and i decided to park in front of safeway and my sisters they parked on the opposite i'm just sitting in anymy car and i see my the sister, faith and other sister, ashley, get out the care packages that our church put together for the homeless people. and so my sister walks over to the two homeless guys and they both give them the packages and our kids are inside the store getting free cookies and the free samples from the deli. i'm in my car listening to some gospel music. my sisters walk over, we're just talking then i see a safeway employee run from safeway and
he's look iing at me, my sister and he looks at my car and he goes right in to safeway and two or three minutes later as we're getting ready to leave, i'm backing out in my car, a cop car blocks me in. and he's like asking me do i know what's going on. i tell him no. what's going on? he wouldn't tell me what was going on. there's a female officer comes to my side of my car and asked me do i have any warrants. why was i at safeway m i told her i was giving a bag of dog food to a homeless guy and she was like, are you waiting for somebody to come out of safeway? i told her no. then she was like are you married? no, i'm not. what is going on. i kept asking her what was going on. she wouldn't tell me. all of a sudden, she was like, we were called by safeway because you fit the description
of someone takie ininge ining ie store and putting them into your car. she said i was wearing a blue spaghetti strap shirt and i wasn't. i was wearing a t-shirt. >> let me jump in because from your sister's perspective, faith, let me ask you. we hear your voice. you say crazy. you take this video, crazy, four cops for one black person. obviously we know that your sister was not shoplifting. was in fact helping this homeless person and feeding his dog. we should say the safeway store apologized. they're investigating. why do you think the cops were called on your sister? >> because we're black. that's why. they saw kids in the store. going and asking for cookies, asking for a sample. they didn't like what they saw. so they saw us outside talking and they knew that the kids
belong belonged to us. so why i believe they called the police. >> this has been happening to black people in this country for a long time. we were talk iing about inciden more recently making the news mowing a lawn while black. campaigning while black. does this discourage you from helping others less fortunate? >> no. >> it does not. >> tell me why. >> it actually makes me want to get out there and do it more. >> yeah. >> exactly. >> because there's too many homeless people in this korworl where this world is full of money. but a lot of homeless people who are living on the street. without homes, without food. it's everywhere. and it's not right. >> especially in silicon valley. >> i appreciate both of you coming on and saying that and telling your story, faith and erica. thank you so much. >> thank you.
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