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its own you know the fact that motivates me to carry on fighting like against the injustices in the world. it's not as if i'm especially angry with the italian groups have been vikas they were actually all on my side we realized that in prison it was just italian government that has gotten worse and. the most of all. back then you wanted to help but you were charged with a serious and organized aiding and abetting of illegal entry you were facing four years in prison when the trial lasted for five years how did you cope with that it can't have an easy. life and no i can't say it was but it's made me what i am today it's good now i know exactly what i wants and i work with all the energy i have and like i'm a little bit older to find the injustice in this pack of lies that have been told one of in the same continent if i save people's lives in the same everyone already saying. well done you're not blaming right now the same lies are being spread about
the captains of the ngos are going to come between today and he also. sees it isn't that you say you were against and just all of the africans you rescued were deported because they gave false information regarding their country of origin. did you think that was justified or unfair. as of tomorrow and this is what well they waited all the ports i was allowed to stay we don't know why an exception was made as a scene but it doesn't matter what the captain rescues people in distress the sea will be doesn't have to ask where they are from you just ask whether they have a brown or green face he just has to bring them to safety and that's all he is obliged to do it with a fifty i understand you had it was justified if the italians saw this as illegal immigration. absolutely not that would be a different case with and let me bring them to shore they first have to check where you really from do you have grounds for asylum where this was not checked which was
a major mistake and breaks every law in the booking us because that's. now many years later the refugee crisis in the mediterranean has taken on an even larger dimensionless according to the un eight hundred people have already drowned this year. in the meantime it looks like private sea rescue operations are the bane of many mediterranean countries. is that an accurate observation to go out of this with you i'm afraid it is although a really lovely experience and policies change somewhat because we have to do what we can to support spain on that we can't just say ok the problem to solve spain was sort of that it's a problem with. the german chancellor is just spoken for the spanish prime minister and we're one of the world's richest countries and we should be turning a blind eye considering ourselves safe because we're surrounded by safe third countries. involved in the hunt for. the human but the nuns and the first thing the german chancellor wants to do with other heads of government is the problem of the
traffickers who are sending people to their nets in the end is this the right approach isn't acting and that's not at all. let's imagine there was no traffic in the big venue for a while this was the message. will three hundred more refugees around is what i'm trying to. so what happens next if you can flip a vixen by being a bit too. bucket of here because people would starve the beaches of north africa instead because they can't get out to sea and. no one would help them you know they would starve there about on a north african beach i don't know what's worse starving or drowning or not seeing the big picture on the fuss about nothing but there's another art to mention some say that all their private rescue ships near the coasts are part of the traffic and business model. tied austrian chancellor court sees it that way when this consular courts rule. he says nobody drowned off the coast of australia because the refugees know that they will get sent back how do you respond to that. but i would say mr
kurtz needs to think a little bit harder waldemar we ought to study the world before he comes out some don't statements like that the autumn of two major universities although the oxford years were best to go whether there is a little effect on the yacht a lot of very old rescuers writes in it motivated by them so it's their own studies show that this poll a fact is not exists and we agree it's could do so we have these studies there are also fact based observation since the balkan route was closed no more refugees travelled this way isn't that a valid argument. of course we got very annoyed when the miss you said the refugee problem is have been solved because they put a fence. but we saw pictures of people on the other side accents trying to wash an ice cold water and nobody was helping them to the. border line you're a human rights but no borders when we drove there enough struggling to get food
soup because no one else felt responsible kind of anything this is an acceptable government so getting back to sea rescue there was another angle what does the international maritime law say about emergency rescue it says that a captain as a bludgeon to help anyone who is in distress at sea bring him or her to safety that's all there is to it is this new. traffickers exploit this law by using unseaworthy ships with no fuel onboard to trigger a rescue knowing the rescuers are obliged to help. by disease which is on call would see do you feel used by them as a rescuer who does it and that's what i mean. this country in the line of maybe that's the case but my primary concern is human life but the laws are being exploited is a secondary importance and the human life is what matters not borders that's the case you do for me how the n.g.o.s who are helping in the mediterranean might move if the button here does you are a strong advocate of this position and its mission you work on a voluntary basis and you turn down
a paid position you are or aren't. you say that no one feels without good reason. does that mean in your view we should take in every refugee mr manhood through thing of. every refugee is life has to be say whatever happens whether they can stay permanently is another matter. we need to amend their asylum laws and see who has a genuine to have fled their country if one comes was told that the flight of the views was let's not bother to rest and to move i don't want to model here by did you. get several efforts are currently being made to create an asylum law and. immigration law so. are you optimistic that this will improve matters. as a woman death and if you combine this with daniel counter our state premier recently said that reason should be created to allow people to stay and if we need them we should cut out the red tape i think it's a great i. think if you draw the line
between those who are allowed to stay and those who have to leave. this is a thorny issue people have come here from countries where officially there is no persecution but living conditions are very. good just wanting a better life give you the right to choose where you live. just wanted to. i think so. many times interior minister said my children were in this position i would receive fleeing somewhere where they have a future in my view each individual carefully considered on the for me economic refugees don't exist. just like you nine years ago a german captain is now on trial in america. pay to save two hundred thirty lives with his german rescue ship lifeline. apparently it entered without proper registration. and in general can rescuers ignore the rules.
mr. big nice here but i'd say if it's a question of human life alone may be violated for. invasion which case. now we have taken the place of the company who was in charge and. they had a formal entry of the torch register and they were registered with. the dutch dispute this up with me in that i spoke to them on the phone myself here in berlin and. they disputed we have the official papers and i have to say that i'm not sure. petaling saying get it now the rescue ship has nothing to do with it had been furious with them so that's it but nothing solved he got and. you also broke a law back then which made the whole cop on a more rescue mission very controversial in germany if you introduce the salient cord without permission do you regret that today but once it does what you want me
not at all. and the poets i know there was a very risky situation on board a ball that people were all very agitated to an exhausted. lot of and they could have said we'll take over the ship with thirty seven young man on board it wouldn't have been too hard on the like you just head for the beach. it was an imminent threats but as a captain do you have to think ahead and we didn't just answer the forcing we approached the boys i threw down the anchor and then everything took off it's official our survival from the portal to arrive then the pilots. in the god. i register my arrival at an italian forces a german ship all and first the authority said yes it's time for seven days they wouldn't tell us when they had decided not to let us in here on target it's all politics just politics. let's put it to. you say that rescuers
can ignore. the german interior minister and disagree with him you wrote him a letter and he replied what was that about who can ask me answer the first letter about what is politicians doing very vaguely but what did you want from him. i want to clarify things and support the n.g.o.s in the mediterranean the criminal minds of the then one of his pyramid secretaries i think it was mr vineberg i answered your fault there's no point telling me what he said as it was totally meaningless. that's why i do believe didn't get picked up in a second but i sense that we sent this letter will be made public that's why when the for the he didn't reply to that one that you're still waiting for a reply yes we would like to speak to him personally that could perhaps we can talk again when you get an answer. because we've reached the end of our interview mr schmidt and as always i'd like to ask you to quickly three sentences italy's judiciary calls me a human traffickers. but i see myself and. his helper.
if i were in this situation again i will fall back again immediately. but. people don't stop dying in the mediterranean the first thing germany should do is the police support the rescuers. as mr smith many thanks for the interview you're welcome please. believe. we make up oh but we watch as afaik the un does that shit but we are december so hopelessly. they want to shape the continent's future it's hard to enjoy negative numbers as they share their story and their dreams and their challenges of the seventy seven percent platform for africa charged. with different languages we fight for different
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