that left many bankrupt and with criminal convictions. one former sub—postmaster, gail ward, has spoken for the first time on camera about what happened to her. fiona lamdin went to wells in somerset to hear gail's story. this is where it happened 17 years ago, onjanuary the 11th, 2007, at 8.30 in the morning. that's when the auditors arrived. gail ward had run a post office for eight years, but in 2005, faulty software on a computer system called horizon meant she had shortfalls every week. stressful, very stressful. you had to press that button to say that you accepted the figures knowing they were wrong. what did the investigators say to you? "where's the money? what have you done with the money? "where is it? what have you bought?" i did nothing. i haven't done anything. she was told the post office
apple said at the time it denied any wrongdoing but was concerned with ongoing legal costs. a new substance has been discovered which could reduce lithium usage in batteries by up to 17%. the material has since been used to power a light bulb. we think the opportunity for new energy technologies will be absolutely amazing and it is absolutely required as well. so it does fit into our sustainability goals. 0ld green cabinets usually storing broadband and phone cabling will be converted into electrical vehicle charging points on some uk streets, with many of the total cabinets near an end—of—life, bt hopes up to 60,000 of them can be converted to tackle shortfalls in electric car chargers. ces returned with transparent tvs, ai companions and more vr headset among the gadgets on display in las vegas.
the balance. during my time as interim sub—postmaster, i did not have any balances that caused me any concern, and when the branch trading statement was produced, i cannot recall making good any shortages above £20. first of all, are we to read into that that he did have some shortfalls... the read into that that he did have some shortfalis- - -— shortfalls... the way, what he said, he would have _ shortfalls... the way, what he said, he would have been _ shortfalls... the way, what he said, he would have been asked - shortfalls... the way, what he said, he would have been asked whetherl shortfalls... the way, what he said, i he would have been asked whether he had any surpluses or shortages and he has come up with the figure of £20, he could not recall any shortage that was above the £20 mark. t shortage that was above the £20 mark. ., ., ., , ., mark. i wee to read anything into the words i _ mark. i wee to read anything into the words i cannot _ mark. i wee to read anything into the words i cannot recall? - mark. i wee to read anything into the words i cannot recall? why i the words i cannot recall? why didn't he say i didn't have any shortages? iis didn't he say i didn't have any shortages?— didn't he say i didn't have any shortages? didn't he say i didn't have any shortaues? , , , . ., shortages? is public the way i wrote it. its not verbatim, _ shortages? is public the way i wrote it. its not verbatim, do _ shortages? is public the way i wrote it. its not verbatim, do you - shortages? is public the way i wrote it. its not verbatim, do you think- it. its not verbatim, do you think those words _
came from _ an epidemic of shortfalls. yes. it came from what _ an epidemic of shortfalls. yes. it came from what they _ an epidemic of shortfalls. 123 it came from what they told you, but even before that, it came from the thousands of calls they are made to the help desk of the national business support centre and you would have been a weight of those calls, wouldn't you? hot would have been a weight of those calls, wouldn't you?— calls, wouldn't you? not all of them, it depends _ calls, wouldn't you? not all of them, it depends which i calls, wouldn't you? not all of. them, it depends which inquiry. which one are we talking about at the moment? i’m which one are we talking about at the moment?— which one are we talking about at the moment? i'm talking about the thousands upon _ the moment? i'm talking about the thousands upon thousands - the moment? i'm talking about the thousands upon thousands of i the moment? i'm talking about the thousands upon thousands of calls, anguished and perplexed calls, made by sub—postmaster as that they could not balance, that the system didn't balance. and your department would obviously have to have been communicating with the nbs see and also the horizon help desk —— nbsc.
hours from us secretary of state entity blinking saying they wouldn't be drawn on any details but they would be consequences for the actions of these houthi rebels firing at ships in the region put going into details of what those consequences could be, that has been a matter of speculation for the last 48 hours or so. we also understand there is a briefing under way at the pentagon in washington. that is getting under way right now. let's take a quick listen end.— getting under way right now. let's take a quick listen end. putting out a release on _ take a quick listen end. putting out a release on this _ take a quick listen end. putting out a release on this statement i - take a quick listen end. putting outj a release on this statement i would refer you to that. thanks. the pentagon _ refer you to that. thanks. the pentagon asked _ refer you to that. thanks. the pentagon asked spectre general put out a report on shortfalls in tracking _ out a report on shortfalls in tracking some of the age ukraine. how significant of an issue does the pentagon— how significant of an issue does the pentagon view the shortfall and is there _ pentagon view the shortfall and is there any— pentagon view the shortfall and is there any indication of a list of diversions— there any indication of a list of diversions provided so far? we very
the fifth of every 2013, the defence made a formal application for further disclosure on horizon and the application was refused. the defence served an addendum statement that alleged horizon malfunction and set out reports of technical faults which the supposed master had made to the help desk. it also made reports about shortfalls and discrepancies. the post office admitted that this was important to the case, the fujitsu data was provided to defence in 2012, it is unclear what if any analysis was performed. there was no examination of that data for bugs, errors or defects or evidence of theft. it appears there was no evidence to corroborate the horizon evidence.
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people in the post office, investigators have said that, it is completely wrong. i have never said that the people, that they are the only one. ii i that the people, that they are the onl one. . ., that the people, that they are the onl one. _, ., ,~' that the people, that they are the onl one. _, ., ., that the people, that they are the onl one. ., ., ., only one. if i could ask to have a document _ only one. if i could ask to have a document put — only one. if i could ask to have a document put up _ only one. if i could ask to have a document put up on _ only one. if i could ask to have a document put up on screen. - only one. if i could ask to have a document put up on screen. it i only one. if i could ask to have a document put up on screen. it is only one. if i could ask to have a - document put up on screen. it is the statement that while we are waiting that come up on screen, miss siddique was the sub—postmistress of two branches in newcastle. she had to pay shortfalls which were not due to be paid but she did anyway. the post office demanded a further £20,000. she was then a victim of cyber fraud and the post office wanted to recover nearly £34,000 from her after an audit. the cyberfraud had also £34,000 from her after an audit. the cyber fraud had also affected 11 other branches but she wasn't told
tonight, the uk appears to be on the brink of taking military action with the us against houthi rebels who've been attacking ships in the red sea. could parliament be recalled to discuss any uk military response? tonight we'll guide you step by step through this latest international crisis with our defence editor mark urban and our political editor nick watt. also tonight. breathtaking testimony from a fraud investigator employed by the post office to examine shortfalls at branches across the country — his evidence helped wrongly convict multiple subpostmasters he investigated this ex—branch manager who was suspended by the post office after shortfalls and fraud accusations.
and he investigated shazia saddiq, who was with us on newsnight last night on our special programme, and she's back with us. shazia ran three post office in the newscastle area — she was suspended in 2016 after shortfalls, fraud accusations and a cyber hack meant the post office said she owed them in total £75,000. welcome back. thank you for having me. you welcome back. thank you for having me- you were _ welcome back. thank you for having me. you were there, _ welcome back. thank you for having me. you were there, listening - welcome back. thank you for having me. you were there, listening to - welcome back. thank you for having | me. you were there, listening to the evidence of— me. you were there, listening to the evidence of a — me. you were there, listening to the evidence of a man _ me. you were there, listening to the evidence of a man who _ me. you were there, listening to the evidence of a man who investigated l evidence of a man who investigated you, what did you take from what he said? i you, what did you take from what he said? ., ., , said? i found him to be quite arrogant. _ said? i found him to be quite arrogant, because _ said? i found him to be quite arrogant, because i'd - said? i found him to be quite arrogant, because i'd never. said? i found him to be quite . arrogant, because i'd never ever said? i found him to be quite - arrogant, because i'd never ever met him in person, always threatening phone call, email, such like, victoria, so yeah, ifound him quite arrogant, and yeah, just not a very nice person. i arrogant, and yeah, 'ust not a very person.— arrogant, and yeah, 'ust not a very nice person. i want to play you this cli from nice person. i want to play you this clip from mr— nice person. i want to play you this clip from mr bradshaw _ nice person. i want to play you this clip from mr bradshaw who - nice person. i want to play you this clip from mr bradshaw who was - nice person. i want to play you this i clip from mr bradshaw who was being questioned by one of the lawyers and what you will see first is a shot of