are we going to repeal and replace obamacare with something better? this is the covenant that we made with the american people when we ran on a repeal and replace plan in 2016. >> we are designing a system that is not going to lower costs, and that is the big deal. >> by removing the mandate of a government-mandated, you must buy this program or you will pay a penalty, and eliminating choice, we are enacting, i think, very strong conservative flat numeric values and health care that give all-americans more choice at a lower cost. i think that should be a very positive message. make no mistake, the president is very proud of the product they produce. >> we are going to try to make this bill better if we can, but right now, where it is, it is not what we told the voters we were going to do. >> shannon: tonight, as president trump finds himself in sell mode, we will delve deep into the divisions. page david mcintosh, president of the club for this year, he just met with the president
within the last hour but he is going to tell us whether he was convinced by mr. trump's pitch. then governor scott meeting with the new -- here to tell us what he thinks the pill is a good start. we begin with key congressional correspondent mike emanuel on the hill. >> two relevant committees getting a first crack at this republican health care package. this hour, lawmakers continue the work on this bill. democrats have convicted mack accused colleagues are trying to rush the bill through before they've gotten an assessment of the price tag and overall impact from the congressional budget office. >> my inquiry is, again, if i can say it, if you'll let me say it is, after the last two months of saying we were going to use this, that we were not going to try to jam things down -- >> speak of the gentlemen have a parliamentary inquiry. >> now you work doing exactly that.
>> what is your inquiry . >> republicans came out against the package yesterday, president trump tweeted that he feels sure his friend will come along with his new and great health care program and the senator offered this response. >> i do agree with the president, and i talked with him this week, i agree that obamacare is a disaster, and i agree that we should repeal it. i think that is where the unity is. then we're going to have to have a debate over replacement. >> fox news has confirmed in the house republican conference meeting with steve scalise today, as to members if they are with the president on health care or with house democratic leader nancy pelosi. >> i think they should be with their constituents, and their constituents have a lot to lose if they go along with this. it is interesting to see the figures of the people who supported president trump who are on the affordable care act. >> they say the president is in sell mode, and many sources say
that will be critical to getting this done. part of that offensive is expected to include budget director at mick mulvaney inviting members of the conservative freedom caucus to the white house next tuesday night for a little pizza and bowling. >> shannon: a bit of a bowling summit. all right, make. thank you very much for the update. joining us now, david mcintosh, president of the club for growth who called bill, a "warmed, substitute for government health care" but he just met with the president. it is pitch work? david, let's find out. how did the meeting go? there's been no secret that you've been been a big critic. >> we shared those concerns, criticisms of the bill, with the president. i can say, i was encouraged because he was listening. yes, he was selling, he said, we've got to get something done, i am pushing you and the congress to get a bill through so that we can repeal obamacare.
we pointed out that the house bill isn't the best vehicle for doing that. they don't fully repeal obamacare. they keep some of the taxes that he passed. they keep the expansion of medicaid, and the worst thing for us is, they don't create competition against across sta. people will end up spending as much of the do now on their health insurance bill. and the promises that republicans made were, we are going to repeal it so there will be competition, free market, you can pay less and get better health care. >> shannon: you are not convinced this does that in any way. >> the most encouraging thing, shannon, the president and his team said, yes, we get it, this needs to be changed. we encouraged him to michael push them to change it, we want to work with you to pass a better bill. >> shannon: something people have really been looking forward to come up when the criticism first bubbled up, the president tweeted out, we're going to get that. are you confident that will
happen? also, we had on congressman kevin brady, the chair of one of the committee's tackling this right now. i pressed him on whether they are going to let people make substantive amendments. you want to know that that input is going to be taken great are you convinced from your meeting with the president tonight that this thing will happen? >> i am convinced the president is going to push for it, i'm not convinced the house leadership is taking input from conservatives. they haven't from the beginning and that is the mistake they are making on this bill. i think they should do is allow amendments to fully repeal obamacare and then work from there to bring back a free market bill and a process that will benefit all americans because health insurance will be cheaper and they won't have to have all of these constraints and mandates that the obamacare builders. keeping a lot of that is the big problem with the house bill that they are working on. >> shannon: they have got it price tag, we know it is not free. i want to ask, where you come
down on the issue of -- we had senator lee on last night, talking about reintroducing the whole obamacare repeal from 2017, would you support that is a different vehicle? >> i think that is when you could easily pass in both houses. once they start making changes and ryan starts adding things back in that look like obamacare, you start losing votes. yes, i think that is a good starting place for them. i think they could take the ryancare bill and get rid of the changes and keep obamacare provisions and then the ryan-caret bill could be good too. there are some good things in their. >> shannon: i see icu of adopted the moniker that a lot of folks i don't love the bill are now calling it ryancare. thank you for giving us some intel and insight into your meeting with the president and keep us updated.
>> i am encouraged by the president pushing them to keep changing until they get a good bill. >> shannon: david mcintosh, thanks. here now, florida governor rick scott, and met with speaker paul ryan today. i know you spent a lot of time meeting with the president one on one. what do you make of what we have so far. would you pass it as it is written now? >> you know my background. i ran the largest hospital in the country, this is important to me, we know obamacare is an absolute mess. the president inherited a mess. i am encouraged that we having a real conversation here. i'm going to make sure it is fair to floridians, but i am encouraged, and i'm going to work to make sure -- i want to make sure that we get a bill fair to floridians and make sure people have access to health care. the problem here is, costs are too high, whatever we've passed has to focus on costs. >> shannon: what do you say to those who say they don't see in
this bill any evidence that it will bring that cost down? >> we got to focus on cost. if you look at -- access is 100% tied to cost. that is my focus. on top of that, whatever we do, i have got to fight for florida, and i'm going to. >> shannon: let's talk about medicaid, floor did not take the medicaid expansion, that is a hotly contested issue. there are some senators who are conservative g.o.p. senators who say, listen, if you don't keep the medicaid expansion going, it has been critical in my state, you may lose my vote. there conservatives say, we don't even like that is continuing for three years. where'd you come down on this? you made a very bold choice you thought was best for your state. >> sure. we know the way they have done obamacare, it is not sustainable, costs have gone up, taxpayers are not going to build pay for it, it has caused premiums to go up.
just got to be repealed. in the meantime, i've got to fight for florida, and i'm going to fight for florida to make sure it is paired for florida. we didn't do the expansion because we knew it was not sustainable. i've got to make sure that whatever passes is fair for our state. i want people to get access to health care, but like you said, we've got to focus on the cost side. >> shannon: what about across state lines? is that something you support? >> absolutely. you want to drive down health care costs? i whatever insurance you want, make sure you have more competition, across state lines, and reward people for taking care of themselves. those three things will drive down costs. >> shannon: what you make of the tax credits? especially the freedom caucus and others say that it is just another word for an entitlement and that is not something they can vote for. >> this is way better than obamacare. this bill, if this bill passes, it is way better than obamacare. i think there are a lot of things we can improve on. i want people to have access to
health care. i want them to be able to afford health care. i think this is a great starting point. i think we are going to keep working on it. >> shannon: florida governor rick scott. thank you, governor. breaking news this hour, fbi on the hunt for a mole inside the cia. makes a very rare statement about this latest massive leak of classified information. ahead, former cia contractor james mitchell, the man who personally interrogated the mastermind of 9/11, on the dangers these leaks pose to our nation. plus a california mother of two struck and killed by an intoxicated driver, we are now learning he was known to be in the country illegally, deported five times previously. we'll debate that case just ahead. >> knowing the history that he had come out with the and so forth, just a slap on my hand and sent back. he came back. it should have been done like that.
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central intelligence agency, the fbi launching an investigation to find the person who leaked the sense of classified information as they search for the next manning or snowden. we'll be joined by james mitchell, the man who personally interrogated 9/11 mastermind khalid sheikh mohammed. first, ed henry live in washington with new details. hi, ed. >> we are told the leak involves the entire hacking capacity of the cia. that part, and pursing a revelations about how it has the capacity to break into smartphones, turn smart tvs into microphones that record our conversations and could actually kill someone by hacking into a car that is connected to the internet. the cia has just released a statement acknowledging that this is a very damaging leak, of course, that could jeopardize american personnel and operations. the cia also insisting that while they have these tools, they are not using them to spy on americans. a spokesman declaring it is
important to note that the cia is legally prohibited from conducting electronic surveillance targeting individuals at home including our fellow americans, and the cia does not do so. the cia's activities are subjected to rigorous oversight to ensure they comply fully with u.s. law. the white house meanwhile today also jumped into the fray. >> we will go after people who leaked classified information. we will prosecute them to the full extent of the law. this is playing with our nation's national security, notes mcnutt should be taken lightly under this administration. >> tech company scrambling tonight, apple declaring about 80% of their users have the most updated operating system that fixes vulnerabilities while samsung simply said privacy is a top priority. as for the hunt for the mole, telling catherine herridge there are three scenarios, an insider who is an employee or networker, or a network cyber breach or some combination of the two. >> shannon: ed henry live in washington. here no, dr. james mitchell,
author of "enhanced interrogation techniques" pretext for being with us tonight. >> thank you for having me on. >> shannon: we understand there is officially a federal criminal investigation, how in the world today go about tracking this. i asked our inside team to tell them, how many contractors are the cia, they couldn't break it down, but they said within the intelligence community as a whole, at least 27,000. >> the assumption is that it is a contractor. because that is what it has been in the past. but it could be anyone. the other question that you asked me about how they are going to go about tracking these folks down, i really don't think we should talk about that. at least people who know should be talking about that, because the very reasons we don't want to hacking tools release does, we don't want them to know the methods we are going to use. what we need to do is relentlessly hunt these folks down because they are not just placing american personnel at risk, they are placing american
lives at risk. >> shannon: so it's not a contractor, are you saying you do believe it was maybe a cyber breach from outside? >> it could be an employee, it could be a cyber breach, it could be a small band of people. one of the things that we've done in this country that disturbs me a little bit is that we have romanticized this subculture of hackers to the point that they have become almost a tribe where they have become called heroes, and that the cool thing to do is to get into the hard places to get into and then to sort of give people a peek into their underwear drawer, so to speak, right? that has somehow become a way of taking scalps, and that's a problem. particularly if it is an employee of the government or a contractor or it is some sort of a breach, we need to find that, we need to find those people, and we need to stop them. >> shannon: who benefits from this? >> who benefits?
criminals benefit. they are talking about doing more releases, and if they release the source code, that is particularly dangerous. not only would criminals have that but the bad guys would have that as well. every day somebody from al qaeda and isis gets up and tries to figure out a way to kill americans here in the united states. imagine if they could launch a catastrophic attack simultaneously with some sort of cyber warfare weapon attack as well. it makes us incredibly vulnerable. a second side effect of this thing is, i know a lot of people have criticized me because of my involvement in interrogations. one of the weird side effects of releasing this kind of information is, you make people like me that much more necessar necessary. we have these surreptitious, clandestine ways of getting information, now you have revealed all of that, so it is going to be harder to do that because they are going to protect themselves. and if they can go invisible, then they can plan attacks. >> shannon: yes or no, are you
confident that our investigation will find the person or persons responsible? >> they will if they're not politically correct about it. i know that there are those on the left and on the right who, like a sacrament glamorize these leakers like snowden and manning as if they were some kind of culture heroes or some kind of called heroes. and i think that is a mistake. they are traitors. they should be treated like traders. because it's not just the cia personnel or the intelligence community personnel or the military personnel or our state department people who are in danger. it is american lives and american citizens. >> shannon: all right come on, thank you for your insight. we appreciate it. >> thank you, ma'am. >> shannon: here now, ari fleischer, and marie harper ma. how do you begin to tackle this issue, now the cia is having to talk about things, although they are not publicly confirming or
denying the authenticity of this material, having to talk about sources and methods, i know that others are talking about it, our enemies are seeing it. how do stem the bleeding at this point question mike >> it is a huge problem. the cia statement you just read is an important one because it made several points that americans need to realize. nothing in this set of documents that was put out talks about anything directed against americans. it puts out information about activities that, quite frankly, we believe the cia should be doing, going after terrorists, criminal drug gangs, people trafficking in person periods nothing in this that was directed against americans. that is important. but it also does incredible damage to this contribute to the doctor was absolutely right in your previous interview. the bad guys now have information about how we go after them, and that is a problem. i have faith that the fbi and the intelligence community will find eventually whoever did this. absolutely, this is a problem.
>> shannon: ari, what problems does this raise? >> channing, great question, that's one of my first thoughts, anybody who works with us, we know we can put our lives and their hands. this makes them scratch their head and say, we want to work with the americans, but is it safe for us to do so? this is a calamity. i think dr. mitchell made a very good point when he stated that we cannot celebrate the edward snowdens of the world. they are some of the lowest, most vile criminals. they put our country at risk, americans at risk, and they should not be celebrated. they need to be condemned. one of the things i hope comes out of this is that they return edward snowden test so he can go on trail and get what he deserves. >> shannon: marie, do you think it is time for him to publicly renounce and collect wikileaks. he at one point said, i love wikileaks, he made comments.
they are not doing things to benefit the united states of america, and a lot of people think we haven't done enough to go after them, to shut them down, to come up with real punishment for people who are feeding them information. what would you like to see from the white house on this? >> absolutely. i think a full denunciation of wikileaks. there were a lot of national security experts, you're absolutely right, both republicans and democrats, who were very uncomfortable with how donald trump embraced wikileaks because they were helping him politically. wikileaks is an organization that had already done damage to the united states with the chelsea manning documents. they are an organization that is trying to undermine u.s. security, and i want the white house to come out and fully criticize them, denounce them, and make clear that what they are doing is completely abhorrent and they will find the source inside the government of these leaks.
>> shannon: ari, is this a golden opportunity for the president to step out on this issue? you've been at the heart of the communications. >> the president is in a jam and he put himself here on this issue. a president that called on them to release even more information to wikileaks. i was always uncomfortable with russia interviewing with our election and finding wikileaks to be a conduit. and it happened to benefit donald trump politically. that is a route that i think is close to him, unfortunately, because of choices he made early. wikileaks is not the issue here. the issue here is traitorous americans that have done this. i presume that they are americans. the people who are associates, contractors, in all likelihood, and i'm stunned this could happen twice, had been at the national security agency and haven't hear the cia. there has got to be a better way to protect our assets and our information. it bothers me from the inside that he could happen within months. >> shannon: and wikileaks
tweeted out today they have only released 1% of what they have from the cia. ari, maria, good to see you both. speak up thanks. >> shannon: still breaking tonight that you will not want to miss, and alleged iraqi insurgent entered the u.s. with a fake i.d. lawmakers calling for an explanation as the shocking details unfold. we got that just ahead. +2 unthinkable crimes allegedly at the hands of illegal immigrants, one involving a young man now charged in the gruesome decapitation of his own mother, the other claiming the life of a mother of two who was struck by an illegal immigrant who was driving, allegedly under the influence. david wahl and richard fowler are here on those cases next. >> it so was taken away from us that it is a pain you cannot describe, you know. and it is fair and it will be for the rest of our lives.
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murder charges for allegedly decapitating his own mother. trace gallagher has been following the chilling details of those cases. trace? >> hi, shannon. let's begin in california where 42-year-old sandra duran, just an hour after leaving church, was struck and killed in her car by a drunk driver. police say the intoxicated driver, 45-year-old estuardo alvarado was fleeing the scene of another traffic accident at a high rate of speed. and the reason this case is generating so much outrage is because, since 1998, alvarez had been deported five times and had been arrested in los angeles more than five times, including for two previous duis, driving without a license, several charges of drug possession and resisting arrest. alvarez is now being held on $2 million bail, and if he were to be released, which is highly unlikely, immigration agents have issued a detainer to taken into custody. the family of sandra duran say
they don't want this case to be used against illegal immigrants just trying to make a life, but they also believe california authorities share in the plane. listen. speak up knowing the history that he had with the duis, it was like a slap on the hand and sent back, and he came back, and it shouldn't have been done like that. >> separately, 200 miles east of charlotte, north carolina, and illegal teenage immigrant from honduras has been charged with killing his mother. police say 18-year-old oliver funez decapitated his mom because he, "felt like it." when police arrived on the screen, they spotted the suspect carrying both a butcher knife and his mother's head. this two younger siblings were inside the house on mike unharmed at the time. he is a so-called dream are protected under docket. his attorney says that he has significant mental issues.
shannon? >> shannon: trace, thank you for spelling out the issues for us. joining me now with more, david wall cannot attorney and president supporter, and richard fowler, fox news contributor. good to see you both. interestingly enough, david and richard, i'm sure you're aware of this too, the victim and the drunk driving crash, her sister is an l.a.p.d. officer and said, not only are we grieving, i am worried about how many other families this is going to happen to create david, is this the president's best argument on this issue? >> the two public officials that owe them an apology are the mayor of l.a. and the chief at l.a.p.d. allowed to stay in l.a. after he returned to the united states after being deported five times. on top of that, we risk losing, and l.a. county, 3.4 billion, with a b, dollars of federal
funding, and as far as the young monster who beheaded his mother, how do we know he wasn't adjudicated criminally insane in honduras? we don't know that, because of people crash the border, we can't do a background check. that is why the wall is so necessary and that is why mr. trump is so hard on getting it build. >> shannon: richard, even the woman's family, her father has said, i don't want her case to be used to hurt other people who were coming here in good faith to be immigrants who need to make a living, desperate to escape their home countries. even he, who just lost his daughter, said he doesn't want this to change the entire conversation. >> and that is what makes this issue so hard, shannon. you think about stories like this that are devastating and depressing, and those folks shouldn't be in the country. then you have case from the "miami herald" a couple of weeks ago, a man that came for economic freedom, being deported
for minor traffic offenses. we have both sides of the coin, and it's not working. the reason my, donald trump, while i understand while he has put this executive order forward, this is a stopgap measure. they need to get bold and say, we are going to actually have comprehensive immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship. right now, america is operating on 1980 1980 immigration laws,a 1980s have called and asked for their laws back. now that donald trump has the white house, he has the senate, and he has the house, let's get some competence of immigration reform done so we can fix the problem spread stolen said we are on a temporary pause, for some of this, you're okay with this, i have a lot of issues with people who are in this country who are under investigation, according to the fbi. david, does this begged the question, like richard said, like this is time to get something done on capitol hill that will be a more permanent solution? >> channing, 1986, ronald reagan passed the amnesty act. everybody thought that would
cure the problem. they said, we'll give everybody amnesty, after that, strictly enforce it. the bottom line is, we have immigration laws, people in europe waiting in line for years to get into america, saying, wait a second, everybody that sneaks up from the southern border, we have to make special accommodations for them just because? it doesn't look that way. mr. trump is focusing on the hardest core criminals like mr. alvarado, who wouldn't have been here, by the way, if he had been given sanctuary in this city and a president that it actually enforce the law. >> shannon: we have to leave it there. he was somebody that had previous drug charges and drunk driving charges as well. one of the cases under the administration will be focusing on. richard, you cited something else. we thank you both for being her here. up next, a story that is still breaking at this hour. a probe from a republican lawmaker claims and i rocky. suspect is inside the u.s. after lying his way into the country.
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after this iraq he became the subject of an investigation by the joint terrorism task force in texas. according to johnson's letter, and i'm quoting, this individual allegedly fought against american troops as an insurgents in iraq and at some point entered the country as a refugee under a false alias. the gatt jttf tracked down theq he who at one point boasted of killing 1,000 u.s. troops, yet he later applied for and received refugee status under this false name. white house said today this statement, "president trump has already taken several important steps to strengthen our national security, including the executive order he signed this week, which will put in place to have her betting measures on foreign nationals from countries compromised by terrorism. the department of homeland security recently said one-third of the 1,000 fbi domestic terrorism cases involve those
admitted to the u.s. as refugees. the attorney general's office refused comment but said the matter is still under investigation. back to you. >> shannon: all right, keep us updated, because we know there is more to this story. thanks, william. here now, a fox news contributor, and matt bennett, cofounder of third way, assistant to president clinton. good to have you both with us. the question that may be refugee vetting needs a little vetting. >> we really don't know anything yet about whether this has implications for policy or not. senator johnson's letter was not atypical, members of congress do this all the time. somebody comes in as a whistleblower, they write a letter and say we want an investigation on this. sometimes where there's smoke there's just people blowing smoke and sometimes there is fire. we don't know whether this is a real case of a refugee who is radical or not. it might be, and if that's the
case, it needs to be fully investigated in an independent way, which is the very thing democrats have been calling on congress on. >> shannon: i think you would agree with that, the last point anyway, maybe not the first part, that this is an outlier of the case. >> it's not an outlier of a case. unfortunately, it happens all the time. so in 2015, the obama state averment testified before congress that the state department has accidentally left light and almost 10,000 people who later had their visas revoked retroactively because they either engaged in terror activities or had ties to terror. the 10,000 people, almost 10,000 people penetrated our defenses cannot beat our screening system, got visas, than the state department figured out, oops, got to revoke those, and then when jason jay for his acts, they said, we don't know. we don't know if they are in the united states, where they are. this is a major problem paid
second point, last year, cnn and "the washington post" reported that there were 1800 people that were supposed to be deported for posing a national security threats, and instead, they were granted citizenship. citizenship! these are people who were considered too dangerous to enter the united states and the accidentally gave them the right to vote instead of deporting them. our screening system is deeply committed deeply, deeply broken. >> shannon: we have this pause now on refugees, syrians not singled out, all refugees, and a ban on travel. is it worth taking this pause with all of those numbers but those are real people, and if we have 10,000 potential terrorist suspects running around the country that we don't know about or junction where they are or what they are capable of, can you be in favor of the pause? navy not a permanent ban but some time to look at things and get some work done. >> marc was talking about a
different thing. these weren't refugees, these were people coming in on different kinds of visas. the refugee system is actually incredibly rigorous. it takes two years. there is, like, a 20-step process that refugees have to go through. and the overwhelming majority of refugees are desperate people, many of them women and children, many have fought with or served as translators for our troops on the battlefield and are living in a enormous danger and some of these countries. so, no, i don't think the pause makes sense. >> shannon: what do you make of the fbi's announcement that 1,000 domestic cases of potential terrorism they are looking at, 300. they say a third of those cases are people who came here as refugees. >> well, there is a big difference between investigations and arrests. >> shannon: true. >> if you look at the data, the overwhelming majority of terrorist attacks in the united states, of which, thankfully, very few, people who have lived in the united states, either were born here or were citizens or lived here for a long time. people who come as refugees
very, very rarely commit crimes. people that come as immigrants commit crimes and lower numbers than citizens. so this is not a serious problem. >> shannon: we are almost out of time, want to make sure i give marc a quick final word here. >> sure. it's not only refugees that are part of the pause. it is other people with visas. the fact is, we know people who have come here on visas and fooled our screening system and carried out terrorist attacks. the woman in the san bernardino shooting, she came here and killed 14 people. the underwear bomber, his father went to a u.s. embassy and said, my son is a terrorist. they didn't revoke his visa, he came in at almost blow up a plane over detroit. >> shannon: all right, marc and matt, good to hear from both of you. protests and strikes across the country as a day without women with fewer women at work in fewer kids at school. katie pavlich here to debate.
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celebrating women to bashing president trump. >> trump does not have respect for women! but he also doesn't know the power of women. we know our value, and we know that america doesn't function without us. >> shannon: katie pavlich is a news editor at town hall.com, and kathy arue is a liberal editor. good to have you both with us. all right, kathy, i want to start with you. is this more about promoting and celebrating women, or is this more of a continuation of the women's march which was clearly, and washington, about saying, this is not our presidents, we want nothing to do with him. >> it is a continuation of the women's march. they did say this is the fourth-largest event that they are planning, 4 out of 10 events in the first 100 days of trump's presidency, to protest him and his stance on women and what he has done for women, which isn't much, and what we expect from him isn't much, and by putting
betsy devos in office, it is hurting teachers. many teachers have already taken to the streets and are protesting. process team trump and betsy devos and the record so far. it is a protest. >> shannon: katie? your reaction 20 saturday? >> it is hard to take the line about betsy devos seriously when hundreds of teachers refused to show up at hundreds of parents had to scramble to find child care. a separate issue. in terms of what happened today, i think that women that showed up for work today deserve a lot more credit than those who did not, and as far as what these women are allegedly protesting, in the last month, president trump has assigned two pieces of legislation investing money into specifically putting money toward women entrepreneurs and the sciences. he has also developed a new correlation between the canadian government and the u.s. government to promote female ceos and business. and, of course, there is ivana trump, who is a close advisor -- ivanka trump, who is very
progressive in her issues, child care, maternity leave, paid maternity leave. in terms of what their goal is, i'm not sure, but i think the focus should be only one who showed up for work and did their job, climbing the ladder based on their merits and the work they do and earning respect that way rather than throwing temper tantrums. >> but women did show up for work today, and if they did show up, they are wearing red to show that they are with the women who did not show up. the point of not showing up, a day without women, a day without a woman, is the point, can schools function without women? and teachers and nurses are the most underpaid women in the country. for teachers not to show up -- they are underpaid and they are overworked. very aware of that. >> shannon: what we have had this particular events today had hillary clinton won? >> i don't think hillary clinton would have overruled the policy that takes the away --
>> the public polling shows that americans are against that. >> thousands of women are going to die as a result. >> katie, i'll let you take that, i'll let you respond preach to go thousands of women are not going to respond paid >> it is a fact paid >> it is not true at all. >> that is not true at all. >> in terms of how we move forward here and help with the goal is, national women's tape was originally founded in 1909 by the american socialist party. nothing has really changed to this day. this was a march about liberal women, liberal policies, policies, taxpayer-funded abortion, which the majority of americans disagree with. it wasn't about all women. pro-life women were specifically told they could not go. kudos to those who showed up. >> shannon: katie and cathy, thank you for your time, and we're glad you both showed up for work today, along with me. we'll be back.
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movies, except this time the fbi is the crime family. as with all crime families, the head needs somebody someone is holier than thou. called behind his back, cardinal jim comey. the consiglieri andrew mccabe, violating any statute that got in his way. and his button man, peter strzok. they are getting off in their fight to save the country from donald trump. sounds far-fetched, doesn't it. it's not. there is a core group of arrogant, corrupt, lawless individuals who felt they and not we should decide a presidential election, and when they had failed they conspired to create the false narrative to not just muddy tour choice for
president but to bring down his presidency and his family as well. the evidence is there, the motive disclosed. still not sure? i ask you to look back on a prediction made by a powerful trump-hating democrat in january 2017 talking about donald trump. >> let me tell you, you take on the intelligence communities, they have six ways from sunday of getting back at you. judge jeanine: the only thing that wee remains is whether we have the fortitude to not just fire them immediately, but to take them out in cuffs. that's my open. sell me what you ion hashtag judge jeanine.
you guys have been front and center in this effort to find out what's going on in congress. here we are almost a year into mueller's investigation, and the only thing we aring out is if there was a criminal conspiracy or cabal of any sort, it's on the part of people within justice and the fbi. and my viewers, we have been watching you for months. my viewers want to know, what now, what are the next steps. >> we are going to subpoena andrew mccabe, subpoena peter strzok. your opening was perfect. that lays out the entire story. bruce ohr. his wife and lisa page. and i think the chief of staff of the fbi needs to be brought in. let's get the documents. bring them for documents and put them on the same witness stand rosenstein sat on last week and
ask them the same stuff questions. we need the documents and we need to depose them and subpoena all those individuals. judge jeanine: how long is that going to take? they hear you guys, they know you are both very aggressive. what is going to happen? >> we are ready right now. we want to get it done quickly. we -- i'm there if we dock that. we need to get support from the chairman of the committees and the leadership. but jimmy and i can't do depositions on our own. here is the thing, all those guise need to be held accountable for what they did. but it needs to be exposed because it goes to the heard the of whether this investigation was legitimate from the start. they won't admit how they paid
for the dossier. judge jeanine: the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein looks like a deer in the headlights when he's trying to give an answer as to why he's not giving anything. he's not giving you anything. >> nunes to his credit is going to support contempt of congress on rosenstein and on the fbi director if they don't produce the answers to those simple questions. judge jeanine: you send them a letter and say show up, they don't show up, then puff subpoena them. they come in, do they take the fifth? what happens then? >> we should go for this before the end of the year. i think it would pass overwhelmingly. >> chairman goodlatte told us he's going to subpoena those individuals and bring them in with documents, depose them and
put them on the witness stands. if they take the fifth, they take the fifth. did the fbi pay christopher steele for the dossier and was the does yert basis of getting the fisa warrant to spy on americans. this should never happen in the united states of america. judge jeanine: these people are still getting a check from us. they should be as far as i'm concerned indicted. if jim comey and loretta lynch couldn't put together a grand jury on hillary clinton, jeff sessions should be putting together grand jury on this stuff. november 13, jeff sessions the attorney general says i'm going to put some of the principles of my department to decide whether we should look at uranium one.
have you heard anything since then? >> not from the attorney general. >> i have a lot of documents from this informant. we are going through them. he is going to testify. there is a lot of information there. but it's being done with the congress working with the informant. the justice department has not helped at all. judge jeanine: the informant is the one from the russia case. jim, congressman jordan, i'm going to go to what we are just hearing about today, that is that mueller had sought information and got information improperly from the transition team, transition documents in the gsa in the russia probe. and apparently they are saying it was unauthorized. he didn't have the right to do it. he didn't follow protocol. what do you know about that, congressman? >> just what you are telling me.
i have not looked at that in depth. when you went through your whole series of what took place. you talked about bruce ohr meeting with the founder of fusion gps. and you say why would they meet after the election? maybe it was to get their stories straight. but it also could be how are we going to double down and go after president-elect trump. maybe it was both. how can we cover up because our person didn't win the white house. what can we do to go after the president-elect president trump. think about when all the unmasking and the leaks took place during the transition time. this is scary. now this comes out what mueller was doing with the transition team. this is what amazes me. president trump trump won in sight of the republican, and the
democrats and the fbi and the justice department were against him. still he prevailed. the american people said we are putting him in the oval office. in spite of that he still won because people were fed up with this baloney. they wanted someone to shake things up. judge jeanine: the arrogance of people in the fbi, strzok, mccabe, comey, lisa page, all of them saying we are going to change this. the intelligence community going after them. >> peter strzok thinks he's james bond of the fbi. he ran the clinton investigation and russian investigation. he interviewed mike flynn after he had done all this other stuff. and then he interviews like flynn. that's scary as well. he thought he was super agent man who save the world from president trump.
>> he wasn't super agent when he was interviewing hillary clinton. that's one of the weakest interviewed the fbi has ever done. it was a total snow job from the beginning. judge jeanine: it was just a discussion, i'm sure they had tea and that was the end of it. they could have had her on perjury. do you have classified information on that unprotected server? congressman deand is, do you know anything about the latest with mueller improperly obtaining transition document on the russia probe? >> i just found out. i think what this underscores is go back to peter strzok. he's the lead of the hillary investigation. he's pro hillary. he's anti-trump it's his duty to get the fbi to stop him from being elected. the difference between the lack of zealousness with hillary's investigation, they never used
the grand jury or subpoenas with hillary. now they are trying to get everything they can. do we have equal application of the law or not? or do we give some people a pass and scorch the with the rest? judge jeanine: you are at the tip of the spear. thank you so much for being here tonight. what do we do? my next guest wants to hit the pause button on the mueller investigation until we get the facts of what's really going on. tom itom fitton of judicial wats next. judge jeanine: we are out finding out what people would buy president trump
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for anyone who wasn't sure if those actions were benign or malignant. to me it is the dressing on the cake. what i want to know is whether or not if we have only got 375 of 10,000 texts, whether we can expect even more context of these actions by the fbi and d.o.j. >> yes, but they are not going to put out the material willingly. we have been fighting with them about these texts. they have been ignoring our requests. so we just had to sue last week for the record. we know how whistleblowers are treated by the fbi and justice department. they think they did something wrong. strzok, page and andrew mccabe are being protected and andrew
weissmann is going protected. i don't understand why rosenstein is frozen in place and the fbi director in handling this corruption. judge jeanine: why reasons stein and christopher wray, they need to fire all of those individuals. they guys don't have a right to a job when they are accused of all these actions. and now if we had a grand jury this would be proven in a second. in november the attorney general said i will look into uranium one. whether you should look at it? everything about that is a pay-for-play. but let me ask you this. there is a sound we have of senator ron johnson who was on my colleague tucker carlsons' show a couple nights ago. >> what can you do? >> keep making these things public and hopefully public
pressure will force the fbi to come clean if they want to remove the suspicion surrounding not only what happened back under hillary clinton email investigation, but what's happening under the mueller investigation. judge jeanine: tom, hopefully public pressure? what's the public going to do, come out like a lynch mob? public pressure doesn't help. we need someone with a grand jury or authority of law. >> the fbi can't spends a dollar without congress appropriating it. we are suing in court. frankly we get documents congress can't get. so we'll get something congress isn't even getting. ways interesting, in general flynn's case, it's before judge sullivan who granted us discovery in the clinton email case. he has a record of not being
patient with government misconduct. i think if the issue is raised with him, the fbi agent who hated donald trump and was doing something to prevents him from being successful in office. is the flynn investigation, is the plea deal clean? i think the judge should make ask inquires there. he may do it on his own. jenna: judge sullivan is the judge who was very hard on the state department. but for you, tom, you are getting stuff through freedom of information and a judge who understands the law and what is public and what we are entitled to see more than congress is. that's what's so frustrating about all this. what we have to do is have a federal judge understand contempt is a citation even he can impose on lawyers who don't do what they are supposed to do. >> the president can take steps
to make sure the american public knows what the justice department and fbi are up to. the president can intervene and say look, you have got to release documents according to law. stop playing games. stop telling people you can have documents tomorrow when you can release them today. judge jeanine: "street justice" is still ahead. dan bongino and chris hahn here in studio. the debate is about to begin. the debate is about to begin. don't go away.♪ this holiday, the real gift isn't what's inside the box. it's what's inside the person who opens it. ♪ give ancestrydna, the only dna test that can trace your origins to over 150 ethnic regions... ♪ ...and open up a world of possibilities.
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an excuse for losing the election. judge jeanine: that's president trump reiterating no collusion with russia and trying to get things common in that swamp called washington. joining me now to battle it all out. former secret service agent dan bongino and radio talk show host chris hahn. this tweak you listened to my opening statement you will realize i believe we got motive and context to all of those texts and things people say it didn't mean anything. but now we know these people wanted to stop donald trump from becoming president. and they decide they would start the trump-russia collusion thing which before it way is not a crime. chris, i will let you start. >> well, look, i think it worst
thing that could happen right now is for the president or anybody who supports him to try into the fear with the mueller investigation. there is an investigation going on. fit goats off on -- if it goes off on a tangent like ken starr -- jenna: they have man for the rrp on taxes if, and gates. mike flynn pled guilty to lying to them. >> chris, here is where you are wrong on this. this is not an investigation anymore. this an inquisition. as the judge set up in the opening statement and she is correct. if the investigation found on the premise that this will be a political operation not a law enforcement one based on the texts of a lead investigator and
his miss stress who was a lawyer, they have admitted they were look for some kind of quotes insurance policy because it's too big of a risk. >> i love debating you, too. you sounds an awful lot like i did in 1998. judge jeanine: you want to tell me why people in the fbi are talking about an insurance policy in case that menace donald trump wins? what does that tell you? >> i am aloud a rebuttal. you are a judge, right? here is the difference. whitewater and all that stuff that happened with the clintons actually happened. i agree with you. point stipulated. i don't like special counsels either, chris. but don't deny whitewater, travel gate -- that stuff happened.
the problem i have with this, chris, you can sit on this show right now, you cannot look in the camera, i'll fly new york tonight and dump $100 in your wallet if you can look into the camera and lay out what crime donald trump committed. >> i am going to let mueller determine what crime. judge jeanine: there is no crime. >> russia collusion is not a crime. >> if you are working with a foreign government into influence this election you committed a crime. >> i'll fly up to new york tonight and give you $1,000 if you can show me an ounce of evidence that donald trump collude with the russians to win the election. >> dan, dan, you need the money more than i do.
>> my books are best sellers. judge jeanine: let's move on to something that's moving backwards. now, hillary and her girlfriend huma are allowed to walk out of the state department. we hear this with five boxes of information. so what hillary didn't delete, get rid of with bleach bit or destroy with a hammer she carried out of the state department. how is this allowed to happen? >> they they deletes the emails about the steam scandal they give hem back the computers. if this was you a murder weapon case do you give the gun back to the murderer? this is the dumbest thing i have
ever heard. >> give her a break. judge jeanine: the idea that you destroy 33,000 emails of yoga classes which she aapparently didn't go to and her daughter's wedding is ridiculous. >> you know how heard it is to plan a wedding. if you used money from the clinton foundation to pay for it it's even easier. >> there is no evidence. jenna: you show me one iota of evidence that this clinton foundation was properly structured and every attorney general who is not corrupt is looking at it. >> let it play out, let's see where it goes. any attempt to make anything go away will make it work.
judge jeanine: we are not talking about alabama, we are talking about evidence. mueller apparently called gsa and says i wants documents from the trump transition team because they have been apparently working in gsa offices. some are protected by attorney-client privilege. mueller doesn't go about getting subpoenas and doing what he's supposed to do. he just bullies his way in and gets it. why do you think mule wore do that? >> because this is not a properly conducted investigation. if i had done this as a federal agent i would probably be fired from running an investigation. we have a president who has bent victim of an unprecedented unmasking scandal. and look at fake news charges, an improper investigation.
judge jeanine: dan, you couldn't write a book like this. no one would believe it would happen. chris, last word. >> there is a lot going on here. a lot to unpack. i think the special counsel will get to the bottom of it. the trump thing shows he's an honest guy, he removed strzok. judge jeanine: dan, finish. >> it's a scam. wake up. take the blinders off. judge jeanine: thanks so much. from the usual celebrity suspects to a local politician i heard outrageous things this week. joining me next is michael tammero. you (vo) the best gifts come with a special box. purchase $999 or more at helzberg diamonds and get an xbox one s, with 3 months of xbox game pass and xbox live gold.
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judge jeanine: violence in chicago is out of control. take a listen to what one economy politician thinks is the answer to shep fight that violence. >> i'm hoping to appeal to the u.n. to come to chicago and meet with victims of violence and help out in terms of peacekeeping efforts because i think it's so critical for to us make sure these neighborhoods are safe. judge jeanine: u.n. peacekeepers? are you kidding me? that's one of the most outrageous things i heard this week. joining me to talk about it is michael a merah. what do you think .that. >> as if the minority community in chicago hasn't suffered enough under democratic rule.
this guy wants to bring in the forces that have been accused of scal scandals in places like shea tee. judge jeanine: liberals and their global impression of the world. the state's attorney, the united states attorney. maybe they ought to try prosecuting crime. i used to talk on the south side of chicago. i have got to tell you the cops didn't want to go with might was so dangerous. >> liberals trying to subvert the national sovereignty of this country to outside groups. just send in justice jeanine. judge jeanine: i got a tweet from chelsea handler. she says i'm watching the real donald trump speak it's like watching a penguin try to make a
speech. you are so unfit and uninform about the military, criminals and law enforcement. i can't wait for your friends in law enforcement to drawing out of the white house in cuffs. >> her tweets are like a gift that keeps on giving this holiday season? what part of that speech did she not strike in the support for our police forces, the men and women who protect us. she has become so unhinged. she wants to go into public service. '. judge jeanine: her show was canceled. >> networks rarely cancel shows. judge jeanine: take him out in handcuffs? >> she is so rabid about president obama and the first lady.
it's like the little boy in the classroom who starts pulling the ponytail. she may be crushing on donald trump. judge jeanine: maybe that's why she is so jealous of melania. she says melania who speaks five lang wages, what why would i talk to her, she doesn't speak english. rosie o'donnell says every single nor who speaks yes ought to be voted out and ostracized socially for betraying their country and fellow americans. what do you think of that? >> liberal tyranny at its best. you can't just disagree with somebody. you have to disgrace them. she did a movie that was awful. she wears a leather a & m joust
fit. anyone who isn't ostracized after wearing that. judge jeanine: the people who said they were going to move if he became president, why aren't they moving? >> all these hollywood his tear is, it reminds me of that last night when the hecklers were trying to drown him out. i wish donald trump would channel that moment when he leaned into the microphone and said, ah, shut up. judge jeanine: "street justice" is
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impeached. what would you give? >> a vacation from bali. judge jeanine: didn't hillary get money from bali? >> no, hillary did everything right. judge jeanine: if donald trump were on hour christmas list what would you buy him? >> i would give him lots of prayers that he continue to do what he's doing. i feel safer, i feel that we are finally coming around and i have a feeling that with good's help he's going to he night us all. judge jeanine: if you had a buy donald trump a gift for christmas, what would you buy him? >> he's trying to give a smooch. >> oh, my. >> a mill dollars would mean nothing. but a heartfelt thank you for the bottom of my heart and i can't wait to vote again for you
in 2020. >> a hat and scarf to make sure he's warm in the white house. >> a heart pillow. i love him. >> probably a bought of champagne to celebrate him being the president. judge jeanine: he doesn't drink alcohol. >> sparkling apple juice. judge jeanine: how -- here i am in bryant park and i think this is a perfect place to buy something for president trump. truffle oil. if he were on your list what would you buy him? i'm buying him truffle oil. >> i'm buying him the wall? judge jeanine: will you help him build it? >> absolutely not, but i have
truffles. judge jeanine: if you had to buy president trump something for christmas, what would you buy him? >> something gold, something beautiful, maybe a nice pen so he can sign all those correct orders in for our country. judge jeanine: you like the executive orders? >> i most of certainly do. judge jeanine: what do you think he needs? >> he needs more support. >> merry christmas. judge jeanine: we'll be hi...so i just got off the phone with our allstate agent, and i know that we have accident forgiveness. so the incredibly minor accident that i had tonight- four weeks without the car. okay, yup. good night. with accident forgiveness your rates won't go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it. looking for a hotel that fits... whoooo. ...your budget? tripadvisor now searches over... ...200 sites to find you the... ...hotel you want at the lowest price. grazi, gino! find a price that fits. tripadvisor.
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>> bill: police are saying the suspect is likely behind five explosions in central texas going back to march 2. three died and four seriously injured in the blasts. >> sandra: police warning other package bombs cowl still be out there. >> we don't know where the suspect has spent his last 24 hours and therefore we still need to remain vigilant to ensure that no other packages or devices have been left in the community. so as we go through the day today, we want the community to remain vigilant. we need your community to remain vigilant and if you see something that looks suspicious or out of place or something that gives you concern, call 9-1-1. >> bill: that press conference happened three hours ago and now
other bombs and where they may be because this individual may have by mail or placement put other bombs out there so everyone needs to remain vigilant to make sure they don't pick up a package -- >> reporter: and that is the strongest message we're getting from pretty much every official here. they don't know how many bombs this guy had built. they don't know how many bombs he left in what locations around austin. there remains the possibility that there could be other packages out there. so they do not want anybody to let down their guard at this point. but clearly, the bottom line, bill, this is a good day for austin. >> bill: jonathan, thank you. we'll be back with you. live this morning, jonathan hunt. >> sandra: the suspect's death puts an end to nearly a monthlong horrific stretch that left the city on edge.
the first bomb detonated march 2 killing a 39-year-old man. then it was 10 days later another explosion occurred. this one a package inside a home killing a 17-year-old boy and injuring a woman. >> bill: in the same day across town, another bomb badly injuring a 75-year-old woman and this past sunday, two men seriously injured in a blast triggered by a tripwire. >> sandra: and yesterday a package bound for austin detonating inside a fedex facility outside san antonio while at the same time a suspicious package was found at a fedex terminal near the austin terminal. >> bill: and police tracked him down outside round rock where he detonated a bomb while in his car. with that behind us, what next?
just gave this week was a sign to us they needed more information and tips included. they were plead the community. they were talking to the suspect himself to get him to communicate. to me that was a sign they needed information. they clearly got it when he started to deal with fedex and ran with it quickly. it's a great day for law enforcement in texas. >> bill: what about the two roommates? >> they'll do a meticulous search related to this suspect and look at his communications, the internet, how did he learn this and was anybody aiding and abetting, buying component, helping him in any way that was witting and knowledgeable. >> bill: some believe the amount of activity increased because he
felt under pressure. typically in cases like this is that how it goes? >> these guys are relatively few ib america and i'm not talking about something putting together a rudimentary pipe bomb with black powder but someone building complicated devices. we know from ted kaczynski the unabomber and eric robert rudolph, it looks like a lot of them had a particular inspiration and motivation. yet to be seen what this guy's was. he's a young man. was it just to sew chaos and watch the show? >> bill: we'll come back to you when we get more news out of tch texas. >> sandra: kristin nielsen will be appearing in front of the
committee on election security on a state level. catherine, do we expect the secretary may address the recent events in austin? >> reporter: we expect some lawmakers to have questions nor homeland security secretary. she's been getting regular briefings on the austin bombings and the question will be if they were acting alone or had assistance and they'll have a security homeland security official for the state's voting system. we had the committee announce findings yesterday about their recommendations and one is they want to see federal money go down to the states to have them shore up that security network around the voting system and they announced those findings on the hill yesterday.
>> our desire to be able to fully fund the elections within an individual state but it's a state's responsibility. if there's incentives we can put in place to spur them, it's the people of the states going to their state leaders and saying we want our election to be secure and to be able to take care of it in their own state will be the primary piece. >> reporter: aware of the best practices and equipment available. >> one of our recommendations is we figure out how to aud it and what states get the help when requested. >> reporter: they want to see state systems and have a back-up paper ballot for validation and want to see a threshold established so election interference would be declared a hostile effect allowing the government to take immediate and
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active measures investigation we've seen the power of social media and the data mining used by the platforms, large social media platforms how it can be used and abused. i think it's important we come in and sort that out. i hope we'll hear from all the social media platforms including mr. zuckerberg. >> bill: many calling on mark zuckerberg to testify on the hill after a firm collected data on 50 million facebook users and the social media giant calling it a violation of policy. i want to bring in guy benson a fox news contributor. we're all aware when we're online people are capturing your data information and following your search history and following you. and facebook sells its data to anybody. sounds like they're a general
store so long as you have the money to pay. i'm wondering if cambridge went public and said we were work the clinton foundation, whether or not there'd be calls on the hill. >> i think if there's going to be hearings on the hill with mark zuckerberg called up to testify, and i'm fine with that, there should be investigations into how they were used and how they operate not just in the 2016 campaign but dating back to other campaigns as well. we saw just in the last few days a top obama campaign official from 2012 saying look, we did a lot of this stuff. it's now five, six years ago and some was against facebook's rules and they recognized what we were doing at some point and chided us after the fact saying we like you guys, we're on your side so we let it slide but don't do it again. that's a line of questioning zuckerberg should answer for.
your point is well taken. it would be useful for the american people to understand with more specificity how their information is tracked and used by tech giants. >> bill: for some it may strike them the following way, strike one on russia. now it's big data, big tech. here's the second pitch on how you lost an election a year and a half ago. >> yeah, i think some of this is more excuse making from the democrats. are they happy when their side using it when they were micro targeting voters and was lauded as genius and cbs news reporting evidently the data gathered by this particular firm was never accessed and used by the trump campaign. there's one thing to focus in
on. >> bill: small details. i'm being sarcastic. >> i'm with you on the sarcasm. it should matter. it's a legitimate story. i don't think it's the trump angle people in the media want it to be. what i read and based on everything i'm gathering about this story, what does concern me is the possibility that this firm, cambridge, sort of defrauded people in terms of what they thought the information would be used for. people were told it was for purely academic research and ended up in the hand of a political organization. >> bill: maybe in the end that's the story that comes from this. facebook's statement if the data exists it would be a violation of policy. and apparently there was an agreement to destroy the data but we don't know how many of these companies have done a
personality test and what they do with the data after 2015. tracking that down's going to take a long time. final point here, we haven't heard from zuckerberg. i imagine he's getting ready to do a long post on facebook and that will explain what he knows. last statement. we have to run. >> there'll be hostile tough questions from both sides of the aisle and he's one of the most powerful people in the world, frankly. he deserves some scrutiny. show up, answer questions and if there are abuses, fix them. >> bill: guy benson in washington. nice to see you. >> you too. >> sandra: authorities still trying to piece together the motive behind the deadly austin bombings. the multiple bombings in the past weeks. this as officials warn other suspicious packages could be out there. a former police chief is here to weigh in next. plus, how a quick-thinking security officer at a school stopped a gunman and prevented a
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publish that story. ms. mcdugeal said she was not fully informed. and one judge allowing a defamation lawsuit against the president and she claims she was groped on multiple occasions dating back to 2007. >> in the past 24 to 36 hours we started getting information of interest on one person we continued to work on and develop and as we continue to do our investigation this person of interest ultimately moved to be a suspect. >> sandra: authorities releasing little information on the austin bombing suspect who detonated himself with a device as the officers zeroed in on him in the
wee hours in the morning. this as officials warn more explosives may be out there. let's bring in a former chief of police and incident commander for the boston marathon bombing, there could still be packages out there and he may not have been working alone. >> absolutely. they have to find out if anyone was supporting him and where he had been in the last couple days, every location his gps or cell phone shows he's been and check package doors, fedex, ups, to make sure he didn't send devices elsewhere. it's good the immediate threat is over but there's work to do and follow-up to find out if there's other threats out there
and how this happened, who supported him, how he did it and why he did it. >> sandra: it's interesting to hear how crucial the last 24 to 36 hours were. it was a day and a half, three days ago there were no major leads as to who was carrying out the crimes. >> the chief mentioned this individual may have been on the radar screen. i think maybe some enforcement, or questions or some action taken by law enforcement may have made him go forward to a bold move so going to a fedex facility where he'd be video taped, that action, he had to have realized, would jeopardize his anonymity and it appears that's what happened. >> sandra: as they're warning us this morning, this investigation is still ongoing.
what will they be look for now? what does the investigation look like going forward now that he's dead? >> they'll go back and figure out where the components came from, if it was just him alone, where did he obtain the knowledge. he has a versatility of bomb strategies that's not the norm. one people have one way of doing things and stick with it. he clearly changed the sophistication of a movement and motion-sensored device is not the average individual putting this together and how'd he get the knowledge and was there support out there as well. and we'll have to look at the investigation. whether anything's missed. what went right. a lot seems to have gone right between the coordination from local, state and federal and let's make sure the next incident occurs, let's replicate that and in the future let's find them quicker should anyone
else take this type of action. >> sandra: and part of the investigation is trying to figure out what the motive was. >> absolutely. i hope it's not other cases recently where we don't know what me motives were. it helps the victims and families in our community to figure out why somebody did something. not that there's justification but information the mind set of the individual is helpful in healing. trying to figure out why this happened and what caused this individual to do this, what the purpose of his attacks were would be something we'd hope to discover as soon as possible. >> sandra: and we hope in the coming minutes, hours and days we learn more in austin. meanwhile, they're urging residents to still be vigilant and call 9-1-1 if you see anything suspicious. daniel linsky, thank you. >> bill: meanwhile, the start of a critical hearing on the hill.
homeland security secretary kirstjen nielsen testifies. plus this, check it out. >> it's clear to me we're not sending the right message to putin about his behavior in our own backyard and had a chance to reenforce some allies and we missed that opportunity. >> sandra: that's some of the criticism president trump is facing for congratulations vladamir putin for what is seen as a rigged election. cory lewandowski is next. >> putin has been elected and that's not something we can dictate to them how they operate. we can only focus on the freeness and fairness of our election. something we fully 100% support.
about to hold a hearing and there on the spot is kirstjen nielsen. she will testify with her predecessor, jake johnson which should be interesting. republicans will come from one angle, democrats from another. meanwhile the bombings in texas can come up today. we're monitoring all this and give you headlines from inside the hearing room. stay tuned for that and waiting on more news out of austin texas. it's been in the news all night long. still a lot we don't know. >> sandra: what a morning. a lot of breaking news coming pin thank you for being us. and president trump facing criticism for his decision to make a phone call and congratulate the russian president, vladamir putin for his victory in what many see as a sham election. the white house cited the importance of communication win all countries including russia. >> i had a call with president putin and congratulated him on
the victory. his electoral victory. the call had to do also with the fact that we will probably get together in the not too distant future. >> we're going to continue to maintain the position we've had and be tough when necessary. at the same time, we want to continue to have dialogue so we can work on some of the issues that concern both countries. >> sandra: joining me now is cory lewandowski chief strategist for america first action and author of the best-seller, let trump be trump. cory, people asking why did he make the call in the first place and more why congratulate vladamir putin on what many see as a sham election? >> it with a bit that long ago when president obama c congratulated vladamir putin and
we didn't get the media outcry. he said he will work with leaders around the world where there are interests of the united states and there are interests when it comes to ridding isis in syria and continuing the economic sanctions on north korea and bringing kim jong-un to a position to denuclearize. and a message from our president from someone we need to work with is acceptable. >> sandra: and mitch mcconnell he said calling vladamir putin would not be high on my list. john mccain saying an american president does not lead the free world by congratulating
dictators by congratulating them on sham elections. he's facing criticism. >> i remember when president won and leaders called him and bureaucrats said we don't take that phone call and we don't recognize taiwan and he picked up the phone and took the congratulatory call from the president of taiwan. why don't we want to have a relationship with other countries when it's in the best interest of the united states and we can work together for a common goal like stopping kim jong-un or getting rid of isis. i don't think senator mcconnell or mccain would be opposed to those things. >> sandra: the president went on a twitter storm over the weekend. in one tweet he said the mueller probe should have never started in the first place. in some of the latest tweets from the president this morning,
corey, he is citing alan dershowitz yesterday a harvard law professor and quotes him on the twitter account he said whether a crime exists or not i'm still opposed. president trump was right when he said there should have never been a special counsel appointed because there was no probable cause for crime, collusion or otherwise or obstruction of justice so stated by harvard law professor, al and dershowitz. as trey gowdy says if you have nothing to hide, answer the questions. >> the white house has done that and made available every individual who's worked in the administration. i think what the president's frustration is, and i think it's a fair frustration, is the investigation has been going on north of a year, almost a year and a half. we have spent millions of taxpayer dollars.
there's been no collusion shown between the trump campaign and russia and russian officials. i was there. it didn't happen. what is fair at this juncture and what alan dershowitz is saying let's find a definitive date to end this. either we find collusion or close it and move upon i think it's a reasonable request. >> sandra: cambridge analytica what do you know of the data mined that many are under fire for the misuse of the data? >> i can't tell you anything about it. i can tell you when i ran the trump campaign cambridge analytica was not one our vendors. i had no interaction with them other than they came to us and asked us if we wanted to use them as a vendor. i told them nop >> sandra: jared kushner told
forbes facebook and digital targeting were the most effective way to reach the audiences. now the white house seems to downplay the role it played. >> i do think every campaign tries to target individuals based on a model of who they believe would be their most ideal voter. and what that looks like is hey, here's a person that would seem to fit the mold of a trump voter based on demographic, education, et s etcetera and they try to build a model and facebook is a place the campaign tried to do that. >> sandra: interesting stuff. we'll see where that goes. a lot of people want mark zuckerberg to shut down and answer questions. >> and he should. >> sandra: you believe he should testify? >> absolutely. he's no better than anybody else and should be able to come to congress and answer what took place. people have the right to know if they're information was not used properly. >> sandra: corey lewandowski. good to see you.
>> bill: we have this fox news alert. the associated press citing law enforcement sources and the news service is now naming the austin bombing suspect as mark anthony condit. police have not officially released his name but that's being reported on the a.p. he was 23 or 24 years old and said to be a white man and still no word on the motive and no clear indications about his roommates and we await more on that. in the meantime, president trump hitting back in the special counsel and firing former fbi deputy director, andrew mccabe by jeff sessions is on the mind of kentucky senator rand paul. he's hear live to react. >> sandra: and president trump looking to rally arguing there's no such thing as a red state democrat. >> once democrats get to washington, they always do the same thing.
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where are you? are you snowed in? unbelievable. we're in a new set and surround ed by windows and feel like we're in a snow globe. his point is democrats are moving more to the middle and that's a danger zone. >> we saw that last week in the special election in pennsylvania '18, where connor lamb was basically a republican in democrat clothing. look, these guys will try to benefit off trump's accomplishments. we can't let them get away with it. but we're raising money. they're raising not as much money to defend more seats. history is against us. since the civil war, the party in power of the white house typically loses about 31 seats and two seats in the senate. we can't afford history to repeat itself. the one good thing we have with us say record. the democrats will try to co-op
that. >> bill: richard, from the democratic perspective, you think about the race from illinois last night, do you find candidates in your party moving further left and trying to out flank and be more liberal? >> i think they're trying to frame up the democratic party and candidates. it's impossible. have you individual candidates running individual races. connor lamb ran a race for the pennsylvania '18. the race in the illinois third is won in the illinois third. what we'll do in the midterm election is run candidates that sound like the district. it's a deal we try to co-op trump's agenda is an alternative fact. connor lamb said the tax gi giveaway was for the rich. >> bill: does it get away from
the left and move to the center? >> you're looking at it from a macro level and we're looking at it from a micro level. we're going to run races that look like the district. >> bill: brad, what about that? connor lamb did really well in southwestern p.a. >> the democrats feel it will be the recipe for success in november. anytime they can align themselves with the accomplishments of the president and get away from the hard left issues that are so divisive. we know in off-year elections people have to be motivate to come out to the polls. we have to sell our message people are better off today than under obama. look, we have unemployment that is basically full employment. we're about 4%.
we have no inflation. people are feeling much better about the future. and they vote with their pocket books. if we sell a good optimistic economic message it's something the democrats cannot hope to do because they didn't vote for any of it. >> they're not selling it, number one. number two, we're a party that believes in work people and that's who we'll stand by. if you look at the alabama race, virginia and new jersey governor's race and pennsylvania 18th, we ran by candidates that stood by working-class people and understood the cost of health care is to high and prescription drugs interest are too high and we'll win in november. >> bill: 24's the magic number in the house. history tells you 31 is usually the way it goes. >> get ready for the wave. >> bill: richard, thanks, brad, thanks. >> the blue wave like my blazer. >> bill: enjoy the white wave
behind you. >> sandra: lawmakers are scrambling to pass a spending bill before the friday deadline as president trump blame the democrats. we'll have senator john thune next. never being satisfied never being satisfied and always working to be better.
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>> sandra: well, it's spring and with it comes the fourth nor'easter in four weeks. it could be the most significant and disruptive snow storms this week. our meteorologist joins us with the bad news from the fox news weather center. >> we're calling it a four-easter. it will be from d.c. up to boston. snow totals from 6 to 12 inches in some cases over that depending on the bands and in new york city heavy snow and 31 degrees and could be our biggest snowfall events all season. philadelphia getting freezing rain and snow in d.c. they could get several inches of snow and a couple inches in boston depending on where the exact track sets up. but right now, this forecast model shows snow in the forecast along the i-95 and it's going to be lasting throughout the midday into the afternoon into the evening and then into the
overnight for parts of new england. it's a big deal. look at the snowfall totals, 6-12 easily and some areas could get 18-24 inches. this is a big deal. in some cases we'll shatter snowfall reports. and real quick, sandra, we have a big storm system in southern california. two big storms on both coast. we'll be following it in the fox weather center. >> bill: it's spring. we're watching the senate intel committee hearing room on homeland security and kirstjen nielsen testifying at the moment. and breaking developments in the texas bombing investigation. police reportedly identifying the suspect as mark anthony conditt.
what was he motive? the questions remain at this hour.
identified as mark anthony conditt, 23 or 24, not confirmed, has terrorized austin for weeks. they received critical information. they tracked the 24-year-old at a hotel 25 miles from austin where he set off a bomb inside his car as the s.w.a.t. team had him surrounded. >> late last night and early this morning, we felt confident this was the suspect in the bombing incident that took place in austin. we had surveillance teams looking for the suspect and we ultimately located the vehicle this suspect was known to be driving and witnesses told us he was driving and in fact we found that at a hotel right up the road here in round rock. we had multiple officers from both the police department and our federal partners that took up positions around the hotel
awaiting the arrival of our tactical teams because we wanted to have ballistic vehicles here to attempt to take the suspect into custody as safely as possible. while we were waiting for those vehicles to get here, much time had passed and the vehicle start to drive away. we began following the vehicle again waiting to get the tactical vehicles here to make a stop. however, the vehicle ended up stopping on the side of the road behind us. as members of the austin police department s.w.a.t. team approached the vehicle, the suspect detonated a bomb inside the vehicle knocking one of our s.w.a.t. officers back and one of our s.w.a.t. officers fired at the suspect as well. the suspect is deceased and has
significant injuries from a blast that occurred from detonating a bomb inside his vehicle. >> sandra: for more on this let's bring in texas lieutenant governor dan patrick. thank you for come on with us, sir. we now know the killer is dead. >> he is dead. this is incredible police work. i know we've said it this morning several times and we'll keep saying it but i can't over emphasize it sandra and bill. countless lives will have been saved from future bombings from this evil person. the agencies did a great job and the federal government and texas state police and texas rangers and the texas police department. you have to think about this, sandra, every police officer always puts himself in harm's way investigating or being involved in a criminal activity but when you're taking on a bomber and when the s.w.a.t.
officers surround him between 2:00 and 3:00 in the morning he could have thrown a pipe bomb at them or had his car or area booby trapped. they put their lives on the line. thank goodness they were not hurt. incredible detective work. we received an update from law enforcement. early last evening around 6:00 to 6:30 central time, we got a call from law enforcement that said they'd zeroed in on this person and was a person of interest and after he was seen on cameras at the fedex location they pieced it together and within hours they'd identified his home and had his home under surveillance and had two vehicles and they tracked him. incredible work.
>> sandra: a lot of pieces to that puzzle to this speedy capture of this suspect. but what ultimately the biggest piece. what ultimately led them to him? >> i would say it's a combination of all the work over 19 days. when they saw the video, they said that matches someone we'd been looking at. it took both pieces. once he changed his pattern instead of planting bombs in front of homes, he went to mail a bomb, that exposed him to the cameras and video and we saw the vehicle. it was both pieces of work. great detective work and heroism by the law enforcement officers. i want to remember people of two names, steven house the man with a daughter killed by the bomber and draylen mason who was going to get a music scholarship to
u.t. who will never get a chance to walk on that campus and this was evil at its worse. this bomber would have killed, women, children, injured a woman -- it didn't matter. black, white or brown. he attacked everyone. again, by getting him last night, we have saved countless lives. you all have done a great job of reminding everyone today in the austin area, still be careful. >> sandra: what is it like on the ground because we heard the dhs secretary commenting on this at a hearing saying the public must remain vigilant. >> vigilant, yes. >> sandra: have authorities been able to rule out anyone else working with this killer? >> they haven't ruled anything out but at this point they do not have other suspects at least at the last briefing i've received. he lived with one or two other
people but we didn't know if he made the bombs in the house or elsewhere. maybe at this hotel. these are things we're going to learn. right now, we have as governor abbott said early on fox, we have the master mind. he's dead. this is great police work. it's good we erased evil but we have to find out the motive and if there's other accomplices. people have to remain vigilant. we don't know if he planted more bombs until the time they got him there were hours in there. so please, if you're in the greater austin area, still be very vigilant as you were this time yesterday and anyone just be suspicious of packages because he could have mailed a bomb anywhere. we don't know that yet. >> sandra: and you mentioned the two roommates. how will the investigation proceed looking into anyone else
who may have been helping him or working along side him? >> well, i think based on what you've seen from the combined law enforcement, they will be very thorough. it is my belief base on information i have, they found the other vehicle, he was using a second vehicle, because someone under surveillance they questioned him and found out this evil, low-life person was use a second vehicle. it led the tip to find the second vehicle last night and again it happened between t2:00 and 3:00 in the morning that they captured him and he was dead. again, we mourn the victims. >> sandra: certainly. >> bill: >> but we praise our heroes in law enforcement. >> sandra: heroes indeed working
so swiftly and strategically. what a story in the wee hours of the morning surrounding his car as he then detonated an explosive device. dan patrick, lieutenant governor of the state of texas. thank you for coming on this morning. >> thank you, sandra. >> bill: this is going on the hill. senate intel committee on a hearing on election security. former secretary jake johnson is there. dhs secretary, kirstjen nielsen also testifying at the moment. peter doocy is live on the hill for headlines. what are they telling, you pe r peter? good morning. >> reporter: it comes after the senate intel committee recommended the best way, in their opinion, to protect future elections is to go back in time and start using paper ballots not connect to wi-fi. this bipartisan group of senators is calling for a shout out to any bad actors who may be playing -- planning to interfere
with an election. the election has to stay a state-led effort and have to offer extra efforts like experts and money. and it follows more than a year of of their probing interference by russia in 201 including the worry now from the dhs is the number could grow this year. >> we have no evidence votes were changed as a result of their efforts. however, the threat of interference remains and we recognize that the 2018 midterm and future elections are clearly targets for russian hacking attempts. >> reporter: you can see how important it is to the united states senate because it's one
of the only hearings happening today. about everything else on the hill has been rescheduled for a snowstorm that is very disruptive that came to town around dawn. the government is technically closed but the hearing is on. bill. >> bill: thank you, peter. peter doocy watching that for us. thank you, sir. >> sandra: meanwhile, former secretary j. johnson at the hearings defending the obama's administration's 2016 election interference. >> we were beating the drum pretty hard beginning with a conference call i had with every state secretary -- secretary of state on august 15. the good news is by election day, 33 states actually came in and sought our cyber security assistance and 36 cities and countieses came in and sought our cyber security assistance in the time permit.
clearly, senator, as we look back on the experience two years later and we have a clearer picture of the full extent of what the russian government was doing, there could have been additional efforts made but i'm satisfied at the time this was a front-burner issue for me. >> sandra: responding to election interference saying it was a front-burner issue for them. >> bill: and we know, and it's been said repeatedly, no votes were changed as a result of this. we emphasize that for the integrity of our own democratic system it's important to keep in mind they may have tried, and will try again. and the white house has said repeat lid -- repeatedly they have a plan in order and people are responsible to keep the election safe.
there are calls for mark zuckerberg to step down after the cambridge analytica fallout. and we don't know if zuckerberg or cheryl sandberg if and when they'll testify. what can we expect from them? we'll tell you. >> sandra: and many disagreeing with the mccabe firing. how rand paul is respond. >> bill: and if you're just joining us, the austin bomber suspect in texas is dead. what led to the final explosion that ended his life overnight. >> was his goal to terrorize or did he have some other type of agenda? obviously, there was terror. what we need to find out and i think we will find out is did he have a different agenda other than terror. and that we don't know yet.
platforms how it can be used and abused. i think it's important we come in and sort that out. >> sandra: an editor for the washington times is on with us and fox news contributor charlie hurt. thank you for joining us. it's got parties wanting answers and wanting to know what facebook knew, when they knew it. should mark zuckerberg testify? >> i think he will whether he wants to or not. you're right, it's an interesting issue. it's one i think is amazing congress is only now getting concerned about. i remember in 2004 covering the howard dean campaign which was one of the first presidential
campaigns that utilized the internet and information in a way -- in a campaign that made it a powerful tool. then we saw it again come up in 2008 with president obama in 2012 where they used not only the data on the internet but also the social networks like facebook, twitter. kind of weaponize them to a degree that was effective. we have a federal elections commission that claims to oversee all this and regulate how much is spent and how much candidates use and collect from people. the idea is to put sunshine on all this. and this creates a whole big problem because of course, if you go on facebook and endorse some candidate on facebook, is that an in kind contribution? all these questions have not been sorted out and congress is just coming to it now. i'm concerned because the reason
they're coming to it is because of the trump campaign -- >> sandra: i wonder what changes are coming, charlie, based on what the outcome is. dianne feinstein weighed in saying if the industry won't solve the problems themselves, we'll have to solve them with legislation. i don't think that's the most desirable course but you can't have 50 million people lose data this way and then use the data as a weapon during an election. so 15 -- 50 million people. that's a lot of people and we don't know what where the data is today. >> and it's not a data breach in a traditional sense. it was basically information handed over to cambridgia cambr -- cambridge analytica and it
puts facebook on the hook and makes them culpable in this. if they want to go after them for that it could be very expensive. >> sandra: i'll tell you whose holding them accountable, shareholders. the stock lost more than 2% in the story breaking and low-level staffers meeting with congressional committees. charlie hurt, thank you. >> bill: 21 past the hour now. austin police urging people to stay vigilant saying the bomber could still have planted explosives before killing himself. >> sandra: and president trump calling out democrats saying they're the main reason nothing gets done in congress as lawmakers scramble to pass a spending bill. senator john thune joins us with his reaction. >> a vote for democrats is truly a vote for open borders.
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conditt. i want to bring in buck sexton. he lived in a home with his parents. >> so far the biographical profile is unremarkable. he grew up in the austin area. was home schooled, went to community college. people say he was a loner. we didn't have early indicators like in the aftermath of the shooter at parkland where everybody said we knew he a huge problem and so far we're being told, quiet, relatively polite. nothing about a political proclivitiy and we have an i.d. and digging into it more but his background doesn't raise red flags. >> bill: my sense is on the investigative side they knew who they had probably two nights ago based on the video recovered
march 19. if that's the case, they had his name and knew where he lived and have more information than they've hold it at the moment. >> austin p.d. did a good job of preventing information getting out prematurely to the public in how far along they were in the investigation. it seemed they had a sense he was a person of interest and then moved to the suspect category. that may have coincided with the fedex drop off and that was on the radar and then they got the guy and were able to track him likely using cell technology. >> bill: to put a fine point on that. police were able to track him down at the drop-off store where they obtained this surveillance video. so that was a key component in this investigation. >> yeah, and i think that was also part of the time line shift. the fedex issue come up and
there's still the issue whether there are other packages out there. until we get clarity on that everyone has to maintain a sense of heightened vigilance. >> bill: you did a lot of this work from new york city. from an investigative standpoint when you consider he had two roommates, what are they doing now behind the scenes? >> i worked on the counterterrorism side and they'd be speaking to anyone around the individual to get a sense as to whether, first of all, they were involved in some way so there's the possibility of criminal jeopardy for some of the people they'll be talking to and then just to get a better sense of the profile of this suspect and how, if anything, law enforcement or anyone could have intervened beforehand to try to stop this from happening. what we've seen so far this was not somebody who was a bright neon sign of trouble. this is somebody who based on the preliminary findings we've
seen, a loner, quiet, and not a lot on social media yet. usually that's the treasure trove of information that gets kicked open right away. >> bill: does it make the case more difficult? >> it makes it more difficult to understand why he did what he did. people treat social media like an ongoing diary or are a disconnect and we see this with jihadist. they like to go in navy chat rooms and will tell other people this is what i want to do. they like to brag about it. there's a malignant narcissism so far they like to display. with this guy we haven't seen it so far. i wonder if we'll have a neighbor or family member saying they were worried. >> bill: we don't know when the next press conference will be but it will be valuable. thank you, buck sexton.
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professor alan dershowitz. the president is quoting harvard professor alan dershowitz. rand paul, first, you weigh in on mueller. where do you think this is going, senator? >> i agree with the tweet by alan dershowitz -- >> bill: to be clear, it was from the president quoting alan dershowitz. >> i agree with the president quoting him that the prosecutors have run far afield for what they're empanelled for and get down a wild goose chase and i think special prosecutors have too much power. i would not have appointed mueller. now that it's going it's more difficult to end but there's no reason why mueller should be investigating things other than russian collusion. if there is no russian collusion, he should wind up, close his investigation and move on.
what i don't like is they can subpoena your business records for the past 20 years and if you didn't fill out a form correctly with the irs you'll be convicted of something unrelated to russia. if there's no russian collusion, let's move on. >> bill: do you have a sense where it's going? >> i haven't seen evidence of russian collusion and i don't believe there was russian interference. did they try to influence our election, yes. what should we do, work deatoger to protect our electoral process. instead it's a witch hunt now that's become very partisan. now we're seeing people from the intelligence community turning out to be left-wing democrats and exposing the president and we have to be careful how much power we give to those in the
intelligence community. >> bill: the president sent this week, when the full extent of your moral turpitude becomes known you'll take your place and you may scapegoat andy mccabe but america will triumph over you and you said what's disgraceful is attacking the bill of rights and the freedom of every american. you don't like the policies of john brennan, why did you write that? >> i think he'll go down in history as a partisan and now in the transition of law enforcement of trying to be even keeled. i'm upset with what he said about the president and that he was a big advocate of basically unlimited surveillance of americans where they were collecting millions and millions
of americans' data and searching the data without a warrant. that was john brennan and james clapper. so these people will go down in history as not only not caring about the biffle -- bill of rights and inserting themselves and why we need more control over the intelligence community. and i think they should never be searching in americans' records without a warrant. i continue to advocate that nobody, nobody on either side in the intelligence community should search an american's record without a warrant. >> bill: going back to kentucky, where you call home, think the deep state's alive and kicking? >> we've seen so many biassed people. we have john brennan attacking the president in a personal way and james clapper attacking the president -- >> bill: i'll give you another
one, from the u.n. there was a comment saying whoa, i didn't realize what i stirred up and tried it clear it up with another tweet. people on the out side are trying to figure out out. >> in the deep state there are facts that tells you there's an uncontrollable deep state in the intelligence community. only eight people are allowed to know what's going on and the eight people that oversee them have typically been a rubber stamp for the intelligence community. i want more oversight. i think all of congress should know more about what the intelligence community is doing and absolutely we should have judicial oversight. meaning judges should have to grant warrants to look at
americans' information. lisa page, peter strzok are they still allowed to access information. do we have people that hate the president allowed to access information about the president or the president's supporters. >> bill: last question on the big data companies, where are you on that now? i don't think people don't know people are watching when they go online. >> with regard to the private sharing of data, so when you log on and do a search on google or anything and search for shoes and later on shoes pop-up, most acknowledge that's how the internet works. are people giving too much data
on facebook, that's a judgment their customers have to make and there's a way to prevent them from having your data and that's not to share it with them. i think the push-back will go back and forth but i think congress should stay out of it. if customers have a problem with facebook they can quit or if they breached their contract they can sue facebook. >> bill: that's very interesting. why do you think congress has jumped on this as quickly as they did? >> congress always tries to get in the middle of stuff but most the time is unseamly. it becomes a kangaroo court. as far as russia it's all kangaroo court. there's a real investigation with mueller and the investigation but all the stuff congress does is to puff themselves up and act as if they're doing something. but i don't like the idea of bringing facebook before congress because i think it's a matter between the customers of facebook and facebook. congress doing it, it's unseemly
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what he did in georgia and ukraine and what he's done in the baltics and in london poisoning people with the nerve gas say criminal activity. i wouldn't have a conversation way criminal. >> bill: chuck grassley strong words, the republican from iowa. >> sandra: and add that to other republicans including mitch member connell and john mccain who have had harsh criticism to the president's phone call. >> one thing they do great is obstruct. they're great at obstruction. they're wonderful at sticking in a block. they rarely break up though i think we'll break them up a little bit because a lot of them are saying nice things about me on certain states we won by a
lot and they running in races, you know about that, right? but they really are a block. they just vote no. i don't think people want that when it comes time to elect >> sandra: president trump blasting democrats while at a fundraiser for republicans lashing out against democrats in congress and to nancy pelosi suggesting republicans are in good shape heading into the midterms. joining me is south dakota john thune. would you agree, senator, in good shape heading into midterms. >> democrats? >> sandra: no, republicans. . >> i think we're in good shape. i think what people focussed on when they start thinking about elections, which is early, it's a ways off, they think with the economy and their pocket books and whether their lives are better now or two or four years ago.
if you look at every indication, unemployment's at a 17-year low last month in february, more people entered the workforce than have in 40 years. over 800,000 people and that will affect the way people vote. >> sandra: the president placing blame on democrats calling them obstructionists. >> the things have gotten done has been in spite of democrats. the president has been instrumental in making sure he's getting nominees up here we can process. what we have seen from the democrats is historic levels of obstruction particularly on the president's nominees. if you go back to the previous four administration in the first year of those four administrations combined, there were 32 nominees filibustered by
the opposing party. this president has had 78 already. so we spend a lot of our time working through filibusters and waste time on nominees we could use to work on other things. >> sandra: there's a lot of work to do before the friday deadline and passing the spending bill. will that happen? >> i think it will. it's always challenging and you're dealing with democrats who use these opportunities as leverage to get more spending. this is how they grow government. they use every opportunity to fund the military and things we think are important, fund the border, they use it to increase their social services. we're trying to get the necessary votes to pass a bill in the house that does the important things we need to do like taking care of our military and dealing with the opioid
crisis and infrastructure and things like that. but obviously dealing with democrats who have a tremendous amount of leverage makes it challenging because in every case what they advocate for is more spending and government. >> sandra: it's a question a lot of folks at home have as well, how do they keep getting to this point. another deadline. have to fund the government or it's going to shut down. it seems we keep getting here. >> we do. of course this all starts with the budget process and what's happened in the time we've been the majority is the democrats blocked appropriations bills so we end up with a pile-up at the end of the year. it has to change. i'm a big advocate of budget reform. i think we have to transform the way we budget. it would change the way washington works more than anything else we can do. we need to move aggressively to change that. >> sandra: and real quick, senator, if i could get you to weigh in, you just heard chuck grassley weighing in on the
president's phone call congratulating putin on his election victory. a lot of members of your party have spoken out taking issue with that phone call. did you have a problem with it? >> i'm not sure why the president felt he need to call and congratulation vladamir putin on what was a fake election. i think most of us don't see that as necessary. obviously it's a decision the president ultimately makes. but i think his advisors were advising him against it but in this circumstance i'd listen to advisors. >> sandra: i know there's weather there in washington. senator thune thank you for coming on this morning. >> bill: fox news, dozens are dead after an attack overseas. another bombing in a capital city that's dealt with this for far too long. details on who's behind the attack coming up next. for all the eyes that get itchy and watery near pollen. there's flonase sensimist. it relieves all your worst symptoms
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>> six minutes away on "happening now" terror ending in austin, texas. we now know the name of the suspect but what was his motive? we hope to learn more. and the deadline fast approaching for a new spending bill. how close are lawmakers and what's in it for the military? we'll talk to senator james enhof about that and it may be spring but another major winter storm is hammering the east coast. how long will it last? how bad will it get? all ahead, "happening now." >> bill: thank you, john. at least 29 are dead, dozens injured after a suicide bomber blew himself up in the crowded part of kabul. benjamin is watching this for us. >> reporter: it's a latest in
the series of attacks by the terrorist group and they seek to divide the country at a crucial time for u.s. presence on the ground and the future of the country itself. the latest attack was carried out by a lone suicide bomber who targeted a crowd of hundreds who gathered to celebrate the start of the persian new years festival. isis claimed responsible soon after it happened. the death toll has risen to 52 with 52 wounded but the number is sadly expect to rise. the crowd gathered outside a shia shrine with young people singing and celebrating. everything and they now seem to focus on attacks in the city. u.s. and afghan officials say it's an response to airstrikes and military strikes which have pushed them back to rural areas.
in the last week we've seen general dunford, the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff visit ahead of the offensive. that's when the taliban will launch more attacks in the country. what we've seen is the u.s. pull troops and hardware out of iraq after the fight against isis has come to an end. moving it to afghanistan. expect there to be real pushback business the tal ban -- tal i ban. >> bill: thank you for that. >> sandra: a suspected serial bomber is dead. we now know his name and a live report from the scene, coming up.
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chairman of the senate jacket, he was in -- judiciary committee. none of them know exactly what senator collins is going to do. just to set the stakes here, wolf, you named senator jeff flake. that's 49. if he stays where he is, that's 49 senators, republicans need 50 and the tie breaking vote from vice president pence. if susan collins says she will vote yes on the nomination, that is the vote that they need. obviously we're still waiting to hear from senator joe manchin, whether he plans to maintain his vote as well. a senator who has been undecided for the last couple of weeks, who has been going through a very, very difficult and complex process, a senator who on some of her crucial issues, most notably health care, roe v. wade
said she feels very comfortable. she spent a lot of time behind the scenes reviewing that fbi report and now she has to make the decision, guys. >> we'll find out soon enough, in the next few minutes. if she says she's going to vote yes in favor of confirmation, that's a huge deal. if she says no, that opens up a whole lot of possibilities. >> absolutely. and she has been absolutely in a painstaking way going over all of these documents. she was there until early this morning, i was told, at her office going over it. but she did have, as phil said, good meetings with brett kavanaugh. she is somebody who is for abortion rights, even though she's a republican. that was a hurdle she had to get over it before all of this and she did get over it. joining us political commentator mark short, the former director of legislative affairs for
president trump, gloria borger and mark chalian and arian d'vau d'vaugh. what are you hearing from your friends on the hill and the white house since you bridge both? >> well, i think right now there's a lot of optimism this will get completed. it's a departure from the way supreme court nominations used to go. it wasn't until 2005 we had our first cloture vote with alito. when clarence thomas was elected, there was never a minimum vote needed. >> if she announces she's going to vote against confirmation, it puts an enormous amount of
pressure on the one democrat who voted in favor of moving this process forward, joe manchin of west virginia, who is in a tough reelection bid in his home state. >> if i was joe manchin at that point, i'd be running for the hills of west virginia. the democrats will put so much pressure on him. you cannot be the deciding vote here. if you want our help in your race and he's now ahead comfortably but these things can change, if you want any help in your race, forget it, we're not going to help you. i can just imagine the conversation that would be had with chuck assuschumer. >> the best thing for joe manchin is if chuck schumer came out against him. that would help him. >> but not if he so tvoted yes kavanaugh. >> joe manchin voted for all of our controversial nominees, neil
gorsuch, pompeo, all the way down the line he's supported those nominees. >> he understands the importance of an executive getting who he or she wants for his cabinet. >> it's one thing to vote for all those nominees if you're one of several. it's another if you're the decisive vote that will put judge kavanaugh on the supreme court not for four years or eight years but maybe 30 or 35 years. >> he doesn't want to be the 50th vote, wonderful, but he also stated i've never not voted on cloture the way i'm going to vote on final. i imagine he'll stay true to that this time. >> i think it would be devastating for him back home if at this point he reversed course here. as much pressure as he may feel to not be the 50th vote, i just -- this is a state donald trump won by more than 40 points. i just think that joe manchin would have a very difficult time
explaining why he was for the process and letting it get to a final no vote but then at the end of the day had to be against. >> the reason we're talking about joe manchin is we're minutes away from susan collins making her decision. you're so right, mark. this historically is not the way it works. it's gotten more and more partisan as time has gone on. and by "it," i mean the conformation process. >> it also means two things for collins. it means, first of all, she was the one who wanted those fbi investigations, right? so it means that when she got that information back, she was satisfied. it also means that she wasn't as upset as some other people might be with judicial temperament. the whole idea that he was too political in that opening statement, that that would bleed over to the supreme court and that would be problematic.
if she votes in his favor, those two things she's willing to say that's all right. >> susan collins did her homework on this. i mean, she was in there reading the transcripts of the calls that came in over the transom and people saying i want to talk to you about x, y and z. the fbi, what was it a thousand pages? >> 1,500. >> 1,500 pages, i rest my case. she was reading the calls that came in of people who wanted to be interviewed who were not interviewed and she was interested in what they had to say. >> and the administration didn't ask for and the senators did not ask for that 1,600 pages. that's something that the fbi sent up along with the 46 pages of the -- >> maybe she asked for it but she read it. >> i'm curious because you covered these members of congress for a long time. the fact that susan collins and lisa murkowski might vote differently tomorrow during this final confirmation roll call, that's pretty extraordinary.
>> well, it is in these times. i interviewed them together after they both voted against -- >> here she is. >> the senator will suspend. the sergeant at arms will restore order in the gallery. sergeant -- >> vote no! show up for maine women! vote no! show up for maine women! vote no, show up for maine women! >> as a reminder to our guests in the galleries, expressions of approval or disapproval are not permitted in the senate galleries. >> the senator for maine. >> mr. president, the five
previous times that i've come to the floor to explain my vote on the nomination of a justice to the united states supreme court, i have begun my floor remarks explaining my decision with a recognition of the solemn nature and the importance of the occasion. but today we have come to the conclusion of a confirmation process that has become so dysfunctional, it looks more like a caricature of a gutter level political campaign than a solemn occasion. the president nominated brett kavanaugh on july 9th. within moments of that announcement, special interest groups raced to be the first to
oppose him, including one organization that didn't even bother to fill in the judge's name on its prewritten press release. they simply wrote that they opposed donald trump's nomination of xx to the supreme court of the united states. a number of senator joined the race to announce their opposition, but they were beaten to the punch by one of our colleagues who actually announced opposition before the nominee's identity was even known. since that time we have seen special interest groups with their followers into a frenzy by spreading misrepresentations and
outright falsehoods about judge kavanaugh's judicial record. over-the-top rhetoric and distortions of his record and testimonies at his first hearing produced short-lived headlines, which although debunked hours later continued to live on and be spread through social media. interest groups have also spent an unprecedented amount of dark money opposing this nomination. our supreme court confirmation process has been in steady decline for more than 30 years. one can only hope that the kavanaugh nomination is where the process has finally hit rock bottom. against this backdrop, it is up
to each individual senator to decide what the constitution's advice and consent duty means. informed by alexander hamilton's federalist 76, i have interpreted this to mean that the president has brought discretion to consider a nominee's philosophy, whereas my duty as a senator is to focus on the nominee's qualifications as long as that nominee's philosophy is within the mainstream of judicial five. i have always opposed litmus tests for judicial nominees with respect to their personal views or politics, but i fully expect them to be able to put aside any
and all personal preferences in deciding the cases that come before them. i've never considered the president's identity or party when evaluating supreme court nominations. as a result, i voted in favor of justices roberts and alito, who were nominated by president bush, justices sokagan nominate by president obama and so i reviewed judge kavanaugh's 12-year record on the d.c. circuit court of appeals,
including his more than 300 opinions and his many speeches and law review articles. 19 attorneys, including lawyers from the nonpartisan congressional research service briefed me many times each week and assisted me in evaluating the judge's extensive record. i met with judge kavanaugh for more than two hours in my office. i listened carefully to the testimony at the committee hearings. i spoke with people who knew him personally, such as condoleezza rice and many others. and i talked with judge kavanaugh a second time by phone for another hour to ask him very specific additional questions.
i also have met with thousands of my constituents, both advocates and many opponents regarding judge kavanaugh. one concern i frequently heard was that the judge would be likely to eliminate the affordable care act's vital protections for people with preexisting conditions. i disagree with this contention. in a dissent in 7 sky v. holder, judge kavanaugh rejected a challenge to the aca on narrow procedural grounds, preserving the law in full. many experts have said that his dissent informed justice roberts' opinion upholding the aca at the supreme court. furthermore, judge kavanaugh's approach toward the doctrine of
severability is narrow when a part of a statute is challenged on constitutional ground, he has argued for severing the invalid clause as surgically as possible while allowing the overall law to remain in tact. this was his approach and his dissent in a case that involved a challenge to the structure of the consumer financial protection bureau. in his dissent, judge kavanaugh argued for, quote, severing any problematic portions while leaving the remainder in tact, end quote. given the current challenges to the aca, proponents, including myself of protections for people with preexisting conditions
should want a justice who would take just this kind of approach. another assertion that i've heard often is that judge kavanaugh cannot be trusted if a case involving alleged wrongdoing by the president were to come before the court. the basis for this argument seems to be two-fold. first judge kavanaugh has written he believes congress should enact legislation to protect presidents from criminal prosecution or civil liability while in office. mr. president, i believe opponents missed the mark on this issue. the fact that judge kavanaugh offered this legislative proposal suggests that he believes that the president does not have such protection
currently. second, there are some who argue that given the current special counsel investigation president trump should not even be allowed to nominate a justice. that argument ignores our recent history. president clinton in 1993 nominated justice ginsburg after the whitewater investigation was already under way, and she was confirmed 96-3. the next year justice three years after independent counsel robert fisk was named to lead the whitewater investigation, president clinton nominated justice breyer. he was confirmed 87-9. supreme court justices have not hesitated to rule against the presidents who have nominated
them. perhaps most notably in the united states versus nixon, three nixon appointees who heard the case joined the unanimous opinion against him. judge kavanaugh has been unequivocal in his belief that no president is above the law. he has stated that marbury versus madison, youngstown steel versus sawyer and the united states versus nixon are three of the four greatest supreme court cases in history. what do they have in common? each of them is a case where congress served as a check on presidential power. and i would note that the fourth case that judge kavanaugh has pointed to as the greatest in history was brown versus the
board of education. one kavanaugh decision illustrates the point about the check on presidential power directly. he wrote the opinion in a case that challenges the bush administration's military commission prosecution of an associate of osama bin laden. the judge had been appointed by president bush and had worked in president bush's white house ruled that the conviction was unlawful. as he explained during the hearing, quote, we don't make decisions based on who people are or their policy preferences
or the moment. we base decisions on the law, end quote. others i've met with have expressed concerns that justice kennedy's retirement threatens the right of same-sex couples to marry, yet judge kavanaugh described the obergafeld decision, which legalized same-gender marriages as an important landmark precedent. he also cited justice kennedy's recent master piece cake shop opinion for the court's majority stating that, quote, the days of treating gay and lesbian americans or gay and lesbian couples as second class citizens who are inferior in dignity and worth are over in the supreme court, end quote. others have suggested that the
judge holds extreme views on birth control. in one case judge coffin kukav h kavanaugh incurred the disfavor of both sides for seeking to ensure the availability of contraceptive services for women while minimizing the involvement of employers with religious objections. although his critics frequently overlook this point, judge kavanaugh's dissent rejected arguments that the government did not have a compelling interest in facilitating access to contraception. in fact, he wrote that the supreme court precedent strongly suggested that there was a compelling interest in facilitating access to birth control. there has also been considerable focus on the future of abortion
rights based on the concern that judge kavanaugh would seek to overturn roe v. wade. protecting this right is important to me. to my knowledge, judge kavanaugh is the first supreme court nominee to express the view that precedent is not merely a practice and tradition but rooted in article 3 of our constitution itself. he believes that precedent is not just a judicial policy, it is constitutionally dictated to pay attention and pay heed to rules of precedent. in other words, precedent isn't a goal or an aspiration, it is a constitutional tenet that has to
be followed, except in the most extraordinary circumstances. the judge further explained that precedent provides stability, predictability, reliance and fairness. there are, of course, rare and extraordinary times where the supreme court would rightly overturn a precedent. the most famous example was when the supreme court in brown versus the board of education overruled plessy versus ferguson, correcting a grievously wrong decision to use the judge's term, allowing racial inequality. but someone who believes that the importance of precedent has been rooted in the constitution would follow long established precedent, except in those rare
circumstances where a decision is grievously wrong or deeply inconsistent with the law. those are judge kavanaugh's phrases. as the judge asserted to me a long established precedent, it's not something to be trimmed, narrowed, disguacarded or overlooked. its roots in the constitution give the concept of stare decisis greater weight such that the precedent can't be trimmed or narrowed simply because a judge might want to on a whim. in short, his views on honoring precedent would preclude attempts to do by stealth that which one has committed not to do overtly. noting that roe v. wade was decided 45 years ago and reaffirmed 19 years later in
planned parenthood versus casey, i asked judge kavanaugh whether the passage of time is relevant to following precedent. he said decisions become part of our legal framework with the passage of time and that honoring precedent is essential to maintaining public confidence. our discussion then turned to the right of privacy on which the supreme court relied in grizwald versus connecticut, a case that struck down the law banning the use and sale of contraceptio contraceptions. grizwald established the legal found ace that led to roe eight years later. in describing grizwald as settled law, judge kavanaugh observed it was the correct am
ka -- application of two cases from the 1920s, myers and pierce, that are not seriously challenged by anyone today. finally in his testimony he noted repeatedly that roe had been upheld by planned parenthood versus cases describing it as precedent on precedent. when i asked him would it be sufficient to overturn a long established precedent if five current justices believed that it was wrongly decided, he emphatically said no. opponents frequently cite then candidate donald trump's campaign pledge to nominate only judges who would overturn roe. the republican platform for all presidential campaigns has included this pledge since at
least of 1980. during this time presidents -- republican presidents have appointed justices o'connor, suitor and kennedy to the supreme court. these are the very three justices republican president appointed justices who authored the casey decision, which reaffirmed roe. furthermore, pro-choice groups vigorously oppose each of these justices nominations. incredibly they even circulated buttons with the slogan "stop suitor or women will die." just two years later justice suitor co-authored the opinion
reaffirming a woman's right to choose. suffice it to say prominent advocacy organizations have been wrong. these same interest groups have speculated that judge kavanaugh was selected to do the bidding of conservative ideologues despite rhis record of judicial independence. i asked the judge point blank whether he had made any commitments or pledges to anyone at the white house, to federalist sighfederal ist -- -- federalist societies or any outside groups. he assured me he had not. he received rave reviews as a judge, including for his judicial temperament.
the american bar gave him his highest possible rating. the aba concluded that his integrity, judicial temperament and professional confidence met the highest standards. lisa black, who has argued more cases before the supreme court than any other woman in history testified, quote, by any objective measure, judge kavanaugh is clearly qualified to serve on the supreme court. his opinions are invariably thoughtful and fair. miss blat, who clerked for him is an ardent admirer of justice
ginsburg and who is an unapologetic defender of a woman's right to choose says that judge kavanaugh fits within the main stream of legal thought. she also observed that judge kavanaugh is remarkably committed to promoting women in the legal profession. that judge kavanaugh is more of a centrist than some of his critics maintain is reflected in the fact that he and chief judge merrick garland voted the same way in 93% of the cases that they heard together. indeed chief judge garland joined in more than 96 percent of the majority opinions authored by judge kavanaugh, dissenting only once. despite all this, after weeks of
reviewing judge kavanaugh's record and listening to 32 hours of his testimony, the senate's advice and consent role was thrown into a tail spin following the allegations of sexual assault by professor christine blasey ford. the confirmation process now involves evaluating whether or not judge kavanaugh committed sexual assault and lied about it to the judiciary committee. some argue that because this is a lifetime appointment. republican interests be
resolved against the nominee. in cases in which the facts are unclear, they would argue that the question should be resolved in favor of the nominee. mr. president, i understand both viewpoints. this debate is complicated further by the fact that the senate confirmation process is not a trial. but certain fundamental legal principles about due process, the presumption of innocence and fairness do bear on my thinking and i cannot abandon them. in evaluating any given claim of misconduct, we will be ill served in the long run if we
abandon the presumption of innocence and fairness, tempting though it may be. we miust always remember that i is when passions are most inflamed that fairness is most in jeopardy. the presumption of innocence is relevant to the advice and consent function when an accusation departs from a nominee's otherwise exemplary record. i worry that departing from this presumption could lead to a lack of public faith in the judiciary and would be hugely damaging to the confirmation process moving forward. some of the allegations levied against judge kavanaugh illustrate why the presumption of innocence is so important.
i am thinking in particular not at the allegations raised by professor ford but of the allegation that when he was a teen-ager, judge kavanaugh drugged multiple girls and used their weakened state to facilitate gang rape. this outlandish allegation was put forth without any credible supporting evidence and simply parroted public statements of others. that such an allegation can find its way into the supreme court confirmation process is a stark reminder about why the presumption of innocence is so engrained in our american
consciousness. mr. president, i listened carefully to christine blasey ford's testimony before the judiciary committee. i found her testimony to be sincere, painful and compelling. i believe that she is a survivor of a sexual assault and that this trauma has upended her life. nevertheless, the four witnesses she named could not corroborate any of the events of that evening gathering where she says the assault occurred. none of the individuals professor ford says were at the party has any recollection at all of the night.
judge kavanaugh forcefully denied the allegations under penalty of perjury. mark judge denied under penalty of felony that he had witnessed an assault. p.j. smyth, another person allegedly at the party denied that he was there under penalty of felony. professor ford's lifelong friend, leland keyser eer indic that under penalty of felony she does not remember that party. and miss keyser went further. she indicated that not only does she not remember a night like that, but also that she does not even know brett kavanaugh. in addition to the lack of corroborating evidence, we also learned some facts that raised
more questions. for instance, since these allegations have become public, professor ford testified that not a single person has contacted her to say i was at the party that night. furthermore, the professor testified that although she does not remember how she got home that evening, she knew that because of the distance she would have needed a ride, yet not a single person has come forward to say that they were the one who drove her home or were in the car with her that night. and professor ford also indicated that even though she left that small gathering of six or so people abruptly and without saying good-bye and distraught, none of them called
her the next day or ever to ask why she left, is she okay, not even her closest friend ms. keyser. mr. president, the constitution does not provide guidance on how we are supposed to evaluate these competing claims. it leaves that decision up to each senator. this is not a criminal trial, and i do not believe that claims such as these need to be proved beyond a reasonable doubt. nevertheless, fairness would dictate that the claims at least should meet a threshold of more likely than not as our standard. the facts presented do not mean that president -- that professor
ford was not sexual assaulted that night or at some other time, but they do lead me to conclude that the allegations fail to meet the more likely than not standard. therefore, i do not believe that these charges can fairly prevent judge kavanaugh from serving on the court. let me emphasize that my approach to this question should not be misconstrued as suggesting that unwanted sexual contact of any nature is not a serious problem in this country. to the contrary. if any good at all has come from this ugly confirmation process, it has been to create an
awareness that we have underestimated the pervasiveness of this terrible problem. i have been alarmed and disturbed, however, by some who have suggested that unless judge kavanaugh's nomination is rejected, the senate is somehow condoning sexual assault. nothing could be further from the truth. every person, man or woman, who makes a charge of sexual assault deserves to be heard and treated with respect. the me too movement is real. it matters. it is needed and it is long overdue. we know that rape and sexual assault are less likely to be reported to the police than
other forms of assault. on average an estimated 211,000 rapes and sexual assaults go unreported every year. we must listen to survivors, and every day we must seek to stop the criminal behavior that has hurt so many. we owe this to ourselves, our children and generations to come. since the hearing i have listened to many survivors of sexual assault. many were total strangers who told me their heart-wrenching stories for the first time in their lives. some were friends that i had known for decades, yet with the exception of one woman who had confided in me years ago, i had
no idea that they had been the victims of sexual attacks. i am grateful for their courage and their willingness to come forward, and i hope that in height i don't knening public a they have also lightened the burden that they have been quietly bearing for so many years. to them i pledge to do all that i can to ensure that their daughters and granddaughters never share their experiences. over the past few weeks i have been emphatic that the senate has an obligation to investigate and evaluate the serious allegations of sexual assault. i called for and supported the
additional hearing to hear from both professor ford and judge kavanaugh. i also pushed for and supported the fbi's supplemental background investigation. this was the right thing to do. christine ford never sought the spotlight. she indicated that she was terrified to appear before the senate judiciary committee and she has shunned attention since then. she seemed completely unaware of chairman grassley's offer to allow her to testify confidentially in california. watching her, mr. president, i could not help but feel that some people who wanted to engineer the defeat of this
nomination cared little, if at all, for her well being. professor ford testified that a very limited number of people had access to her letter, yet that letter found its way into the public domain. she testified that she never gave permission for that very private letter to be released and yet here we are. we are in the middle of a fight that she never sought, arguing about claims that she wanted to raise confidentially. now, one theory i've heard espoused repeatedly is that our colleague, senator feinstein leaked professor ford's letter at the 11th hour to derail this process. i want to state this very clearly. i know senator dianne feinstein
extremely well and i believe that she would never do that. i knew that to be the case before she ever stated that at the hearing. she is a person of integrity and i stand by her. i have also heard some argue that the chairman of the committee somehow treated professor ford unfairly. nothing could be further from the truth. chairman grassley, along with his excellent staff, treated professor ford with compassion and respect throughout the entire process. and that is the way the senator from iowa has conducted himself throughout a lifetime dedicated to public service. but the fact remains, mr.
president, someone leaked this letter against prove sr fofesso express wishes. i suspect regrettably that we will never know for certain who did it. to that leaker who i hope is listening now, let me say that what you did was unconscionable. you have taken a survivor who was not only entitled to your respect but also trusted you to protect her and you have sacrificed her well being in a misguided attempt to win whatever political crusade you think you are fighting. my only hope is that your callous act has turned this process into such a
dysfunctional circus that it will cause the senate and indeed all americans to reconsider how we evaluate supreme court nominees. if that happens, then the appalling lack of compassion you afforded professor ford will at least have some unintended positive consequences. mr. president, the politically charged atmosphere surrounding this nomination has reached a fever pitch, even before these allegations were known and it has been challenging even then to separate fact from fiction. we live in a time of such great disunity, as the bitter fight
over this nomination both in the senate and among the public clearly demonstrates. it is not merely a case of differing groups having different opinions. it is a case of people bearing extreme ill will toward those who disagree with them. in our intense focus on our differences, we have forgotten the common values that bind us together as americans. when some of our best minds are seeking to develop even more sophisticated algorithms designed to link us to web sites that only reinforce and cater to our views, we can only expect our differences to intensify. this would have alarmed the
drafters of our constitution, who were acutely aware that different values and interests could prevent americans from becoming and remaining a remaining a single people. they invoked in the preamble to the constitution the one that they put first was the formation of a more perfect union. their vision of a more perfect union does not exist today. and if anything, we appear to be moving farther away from it. it is particularly worrisome that the supreme court, the institution that most americans see as the principle guardian of
our shared constitutional heritage is viewed as part of the problem through a political lens. mr. president, we've heard a lot of charges and counter charges about judge kavanaugh. but as those who have known him best have attested, he has been an exemplary public servant, judge, teacher, coach, husband and father. despite the turbulent, bitter fight surrounding his nomination, my fervent hope is that brett kavanaugh will work to lessen the divisions in the supreme court so that we have far fewer 5-4 decisions and so
that public confidence in our judiciary and our highest court is restored. mr. president, i will vote to confirm judge kavanaugh. thank you, mr. president. [ applause ] >> so there you have the breaking news. susan collins, the republican senator from maine, announcing a major decision. she will vote to confirm judge kavanaugh. and dana, she was outspoken and defending him on constitutional grounds, his legal background, all of that. but also making the case that she doesn't believe the sexual assault allegations that have been leveled against him. >> this speech was 45 minutes or so. not a speech that was written at the last minute. not a speech where her decision was made at the last minute. it just isn't. now, you know, maybe we'll find out that she had a speech that
was prepared for, you know -- to go a different way. but it's hard to imagine, because she was meticulous in laying out all of the reasons she thinks that brett kavanaugh should be put on the supreme court. and she left the allegations against him by professor ford for last. she talked about everything from health care to precedent, which is her way of talking about roe vs. wade. she is a republican for abortion rights. and, you know, basically trying to tell her like-minded constituents and people across the country that she believes him when he says he's not going to overturn roe v. wade. but then, of course, the most important where we are was about christine blasey ford, and i thought one of the most no noteworthy comments she made was the fact that we can't abandon -- >> the presumption -- >> the presumption of innocence
and fairness, especially when passion is most inflamed. fairness is not something that should be in jeopardy. >> she said, i do not believe these charges can fairly prevent judge kavanaugh from being on the court. >> exactly. and look, and that's it. and where we are? where we are right now is that judge kavanaugh has the votes. >> yeah. >> and that's also the most important thing, after that long speech. he's got 51 votes. >> 51. you need 50, if the vice president breaks the tie. and now it looks -- assuming joe manchin decides the vote in favor, there will be 51. >> you know, in a way, she's now turned into kavanaugh's greatest defender. ariane was saying this is the beginning of the rehab. and she also -- i think we had her at hello. we knew where she was at the very beginning of this, because she started this by eviscerating democratic outside groups as if there were no republican outside groups on this. but that's another story. and democratic senators who she
believes did a disservice to professor ford and i thought where she was most engaged on this was talking to democrats, whoever leaked it, she said, i don't believe dianne feinstein leaked it. but she said, you have sacrificed a survivor's well-being in a misguided attempt for whatever political crusade you think you are fighting. and it's clear that the entrance of avenatti into all of this really, really ticked her off. but she -- you know, this is something that i think she's thought about a lot. i think she went and read everything. and i think, however, she did not surprise by voting for her -- i mean, by -- for him. >> you know, it looks like it's going to be passed. he's going to be confirmed to the supreme court, now that susan collins has said she will vote yay.
>> donald trump in a year-and-a-half's time as president of the united states has succeeded in executing on one of the generational goals for conservatives, to reshape the supreme court in a more reliably conservative direction for decades to come. donald trump has done that. he did it by first getting the federalist society, the conservatives, to put out that list. vet all those potential people, so that all conservatives, some even had questions about when donald trump was president, able to get on board with this unifying and generational goal for the party, and donald trump has executed on it. he is going to be a supreme court justice. and this is going to go down, for all the things that will go down in history about donald trump's presidency, this will certainly be one of them. he's capping off, i would say, perhaps his best week as president. >> yeah. and ariane, let's just remind our viewers, now that she has announced she will vote in favor of his confirmation, there are
50 votes. and if joe manchin, the democratic senator from west virginia, who voted to keep this process going today, votes in favor, there will be 51. >> right. and the thing is, it's not only the supreme court that donald trump has done and don mcgahn, it's the lower courts. this has been their big issue. and that's what they have pressed upon. and i was really interested in what she said about the -- >> hold on a minute. he's just tweeted. joe manchin. i think we have it. we'll put it up on the screen. there it is. i will vote to support supreme court nominee, judge brett kavanaugh. very significant moment. that means, ariane, there will be 51 united states senators, assuming they all show up, who will vote in favor. he will be confirmed. he will be a supreme court justice, as i often say, not for four years, or eight years, but maybe 30 or 35 years. he's only 53 years old. this is a lifetime appointment. >> absolutely. and if -- if he's on the court for -- as long as -- old as ruth bader ginsburg is now, that's
2050. we have to think about this titanic shift. that's what started this up. anthony kennedy, so important on those hot-button issues, abortion, lgbt rights, affirmative action. that is all going to make this court take a hard right turn. and she talked about the process now of the court, and almost -- not only a rehabilitation -- the beginning of a rehabilitation for him, but for the court. she said this process has reached rock bottom. it's dysfunctional. it's gotten to a gutter level political campaign. that was real anger about the process. >> mark, i wonder what you think about what david said. because he hit the nail on the head about this being -- i don't think people out there who aren't part of the conservative movement, who have been working for this, as you said, for a generation, understand the win here. with justice -- soon to be, it seems, justice kavanaugh. >> you're both saying it's not just two supreme court nominations. there are more circuit judges confirmed in the first two years
of his presidency as any presidency in history. that's phenomenal. and also attributed to the effort of mitch mcconnell, who has said, i'm going to keep prioritizing the judges. over those that have to wait for further cloture votes. i'll continue working on the judges. despite all the noise and other stuff that is coverage around this administration, one of this president's legacies will be the way he has reshaped the courts. >> it's one thing to do the federal bench below the supreme court, but it's the other thing to get the money seat on the highest court in the land. >> that's true, dana. but these circuit judges will be in position for future -- >> they will. >> supreme court openings, too. >> and this is mcconnell, by the way, who was so into this process and getting it through quickly, who would not allow a vote. and you know what i'm going to say, on merrick garland. and held it up forever. and so, you know, that played into all of this. i think mcconnell probably
figures his strategy has worked brilliantly. and you know trump and mcconnell have not been besties, but i think now -- i think now donald trump owes mitch mcconnell a big pat on the back here, because he's done for him, and helped him, and kept garland off for republicans and then did this, and did gorsuch. >> hold on a second. here is joe manchin. >> senator, explain your decision to vote for -- >> first of all, i saw that senator collins -- out of respect, i wanted to watch her give hers, and she asked to do that. and i knew -- i saw she was going to do that and i said, fine, i'll watch it. and then i -- >> hey! >> i made my decision. and i gave my reasons for my decision. >> shame! shame! shame! >> you can learn to the people here -- are you concerned -- >> i'm concerned with the sexual abuse people have had to endure, and we have to do something as a country. i had to deal with the facts i
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mueller contradicting the trump/barr claims, the reigniting of the impeachment debate, two mueller aides debating his approach. i'll be anchoring it at 9:00 p.m. eastern on sunday night. i hope you'll consider joining us. don't go anywhere right now, because "hardball" is up next. good evening, i'm chris matthews in washington with that horrific breaking news now out of virginia beach. there's been a mass shooting at the municipal center there. 11 people are dead. according to police, the suspect, a current city employee, was also killed. police say they believe the suspect acted alone. we're going to keep an eye on that and any developments out of that news story out of virginia beach. and now to tonight's politics. the word tonight is that the trump partisan allies on capitol hill want to rough up robert mueller. the reason is politics. the president's allies wanting to discredit the special counsel and diminish his findings.
they want him to testify before the congress where they can assault him with hostile questions about the origins of his report. anything but the report itself. "the daily beast" is reporting that this has become the mission. ever since mueller declared on wednesday he did not want to testify. in the report, quote, president trump's close advisers are increasingly pining for mueller to be dragged before congress and subjected to conservative lawmakers' questions about the conduct and outcome of his investigation. well, this clashes, of course, with president trump's public call for bob mueller not to testify, a position the president repeated last friday. >> they want to do a redo, like even the fact that they're asking bob mueller to come and testify. he just gave them a 434-page report. he just gave that report. why does he have to testify? it's ridiculous. >> but according to "the daily beast" the special counsel's eight-minute statement on wednesday encouraged trump's
allies to support him testifying before the congress. and now rudy giuliani says if they allow republican congressman meadows and jordan and a few of the others there, they'll eviscerate him more than they did michael cohen. in terms of the politics of it, i would love to have him testify. i think he's afraid to. that's rudy giuliani talking. meanwhile democrats remain adamant in their call that mueller testify. they also want him to testify, even though mueller made clear he won't say anything beyond the contents of his report. here's the chairman of the house judiciary committee, new york congressman jerry nadler. >> we will have mr. mueller's testimony. i think it's very important that he testify before the american people, even if he doesn't say anything beyond what was said there. >> well, this comes as attorney general william barr tells cbs news that he didn't agree with the legal analysis in mueller's report. barr says that he intervened to apply what he called the right law when he decided to announce that the president had not
obstructed justice. >> we analyzed the law and the facts, and a group of us spent a lot of time doing that and determined that both as a matter of law, many of the instances would not amount to obstruction. >> as a matter of law? >> as a matter of law. we didn't agree with the legal analysis -- a lot of the legal analysis in the report. it did not reflect the views of the department. it was the views of a particular lawyer or lawyers. and so we applied what we thought was the right law. >> that's bill barr up in his mountain lodge somewhere. by the way, it's about 90 degrees here in urkt washington. i'm joined by madeline dean, heidi przybyla, the white house reporter for "the daily beast" that had this story and john meacham is the author of the new book with tim mcgraw, "songs of
america, patriotism protest and the music that made a nation." thank you all for joining us. congresswoman, this is a strange situation. robert mueller has been a hero for many people for the past two years and now the goal of the republican troublemakers is to get him up on the hill, tear him apart on the origins of his probe and make him look awful. >> well, thank you for having me on and i am very mindful of the shooting that you are covering yet again in this country. we've had another mass shooting. at least 11 dead. it's time this president focused on something like that instead of the sandstorm that he creates day after day. as to mr. mueller coming before congress and coming before our committee, i am very confident that mr. mueller will testify credibly and that he will not have any problem handling the republicans on my committee. we're talking about somebody who was fbi director for more than ten years. he's been up against some of the toughest legal minds and
adversaries. i have no worries. i actually think that reporting reveals something very different. i think it reveals a white house in panic, and so instead i think they decided their message of the day would be sure, let's get mueller out there. let's try to scare mueller. mueller is not to be scared. mueller is not to be toyed with. he will come, he will testify honestly and credibly. this white house is in a panic. >> who are your sources? are they on the hill or at the white house? >> the people on the record for the story include rudy giuliani, john dowd, joe digenova, matt gaetz, people that have the president's ear and speak to him regularly or fairly regularly. again, there are both people within the administration and without it who are starring to form this consensus among trump world. >> talk about how they think they can get his scalp.
the congresswoman thinks he's tough enough to stand up against it. the motive they have in wanting him on the hill and under the lights, if you will. >> exactly. they really do think if you get him in front of meadows, gaetz, jim jordan, that they will be able to essentially filet robert mueller and publicly humiliate him. at this point it's about getting him out there so they can enact some sort of trumpian revenge fantasy. >> hold on, congresswoman, i want to hear from heidi przybyla. what do you make of the fact -- they have made it pretty clear where they'll buzz in on him. they'll go in on him on strzok, the fbi agent who shouldn't have been talking with his girlfriend, lisa page. they'll go in on christopher steele and the dossundercuts, undermines and sabotages his report. >> i agree with the congresswoman that mueller is not going to be at owlall kowed
that. they will create these made-for-tv moments that will be played in a certain way, specifically primetime hosts like sean hannity. they will ask questions that aren't really questions, they're statements. they will preen for the cameras and we covered in a skewed way. that's why when we see footage of a fox news viewer earlier today saying she thought there was nothing bad for the president in the mueller report, you understand how even if mueller gets up, does a great job, knocks it out of the park and recites his whole report, just giving jordan and meadows the air time that they would get on fox news by sean hannity would serve the purpose for the maga crowd and further continue -- if they can defile an entire institution of the fbi, they can certainly hurt one individual. >> john meacham, i just watched that ten-part series on the o.j. trial. beautiful dramaization, i assume
it's pretty accurate. that case, that trial wasn't about evidence, it was about attitude. the jurists the an attitude, everybody had an attitude. the maga people aren't going to change their minds based on some incremental piece of evidence. they still are like we like trump, we hate you guys. >> american politics has always been defined by the tension between reason and passion. and the o.j. trial was a case where passion trumped reason. in most congressional hearings, chris, you know this as well or better than i do, going back 70 years to mccarthy, through watergate -- remember the chinese fund-raising hearings? iran contra hearings. they have always been, since the advent of television, they have been theatrical productions. with all respect to the congr s
congresswoman, i don't think the white house is in a panic or any more than they tend to be perenni perennially. i think because bill barr stepped in and functionally made the mueller report the barr report really, in terms of political narrative, a phrase that's overused but in this case applies, because of that, oddly, and one of the many oddities of the era, a report that is to any sensible reader self-evidently damning has become in this carnival-like atmosphere in which we live, has become somehow exculpatory. >> let me go back to the congresswoman. what about the fact they just have to mess things up. they don't have to win the argument, just mess it up and say there isn't a clear cut national mandate to impeach? >> well, you know what, i thought this week the fact that mueller on his way out the door chose to speak was very pivotal and important and powerful. because what he said was read the report. america, you need to read the
report so that you see the sweeping interference by russia, the wallowing and welcoming of it by the trump campaign, and then the obstruction of justice evidence against of this president. read the report. i thought that was really powerful. and what he also said going out the door was that now it's up to congress. so i don't deny, it will be circus-like, it will be carnival-like. we have seen the lack of credibility of the questioning that comes from some of my colleagues on the republican side in judiciary. it will be a circus. they'll get sound bites on fox or whomever they like. but more importantly what will come forward are facts that the american people need to know. the american people don't have the time to read a 448-page report. so we need mr. barr to come before us and paint the picture for america of the damning relationships between the minions in the trump world and trump campaign and trump administration and the
extraordinary bad conduct of this president in trying to obstruct the investigation into his behavior. we need mr. mueller to come forward. he'll come forward credibly. they'll throw mud, but i am certain that between the questioning on our side of the aisle that will be robust and professional and based on fact and not based on foe, that the american people will begin to see this story. that's what has to happen. >> i just think, congresswoman, that's well said. i can just see jim jordan with his white shirt, rolled up, ready to go into action. i read peggy noonan from "the wall street journal." she's calling for censure now, something short of impeachment. something that might even pass muster with republican senators. >> well, either impeachment is something that democrats think is something that needs to be wielded where you have a corrupt and out of control president, or they don't. whether it's politically
palatable or not. but that aside for a moment. one reason i think stories like this are important beyond the potential partisan thee atrics that it does show and underscore the overriding ideology of trumpism isn't immigration, it's not the border wall, it's not family separation or anything like that, it's fielty to donald trump. they wouldn't be doing this if mueller didn't come out and cross the president. he did and he must pay in a humiliating way and that's why they're doing this. >> you and the congressman have made it clear that the majority in the house will be able to handle the drama. but these characters, joe digenova, rudy giuliani, these are street fighters. they have come out -- they have not been in public fight for a long time but they came out for this street fight.
this is very gladitorial. and they seem to delight in the fact -- in fact they like that he's dignified. >> this has to be done. even though they will do what they're going to do and that will get play to a certain percentage of the american public that, by the way, is not growing, it's static. everyone else, the independents, if you look at the polling right now, independent voters need to hear this story because democrats, if you look at the polling, are very supportive of impeachment. it's not even close. that's true. if you drill down into the numbers, democrats are supportive of impeachment but it's the independents that need to hear the story. they need to hear not only about the obstruction but about the pervasive attack on our democracy that included hacking into voting systems in florida and illinois, stealing voter data, spearphishing.
>> what poll are you looking at. >> it's a harvard poll. if you google thehill.com, they break it down bipartisan affiliation. the reason why there's a split right now over impeachment or why there isn't as much support for it is because it's partisan. independents don't support it. democrats support it, republicans really don't support it. >> congresswoman, what's it like in montgomery county up in pennsylvania. you are home all the time. what are people saying? >> well, thanks for asking me. i had a town hall, you'll recognize the venue, at montgomery county community college this week. >> sure. >> more than a hundred people were there in torrential rain so i was very appreciative they came. they wanted to know about substantive things, health care, social security and their student loan debt, gun violence was premiere among them. within about ten minutes i was asked the question about impeachment. the room burst in applause when i said i had asked for the beginning of an impeachment
inquiry. so by that poll, it was 99% believe that we need to begin an impeachment inquiry, if not impeachment. i believe in process. i believe in starting the inquiry. the other thing i wanted to point out is not only do we want mueller to come before us, but i was talking with our committee today. we're planning to have some of the now more than 1,000 federal prosecutors who have signed onto the letter saying that mr. barr misrepresented the report. you know, it will be very interesting to hear from them because, of course, they served in both republican and democratic presidents, for republican and democratic presidents. so it will be very important to hear from them. the other thing that i notice in the list of people we talked about today, whether it's giuliani or barr or mr. trump himself, they lack something. they lack credibility. and i think the american people see that. >> wow, well said. thank you, congresswoman madeline dean of montgomery
county, pennsylvania. john meacham, i wish i had more time. john, are you for the pro censure approach or not with peggy noonan? where are you, john? >> i'm not for it only because i think it's barely a slap on the wrist. i think if it were to fail, he would claim more exoneration. >> well said. >> i think -- and -- you know what i mean? >> i agree completely. >> if you're going to go for the king, go to the king. >> thank you, john meacham, heidi przybyla. a normal president would be deeply hurt by a censure. this president wouldn't even feel the welt. let's get the latest on that horror story in virginia beach. the police chief said 11 people were killed. another six were injured. the suspect was shot and killed by police. so we're getting that word now. multiple sources tell wavy, a local nbc affiliate, that the
suspect was a disgruntled former city employee. jim cavanaugh, what do we make of this -- it looks like totally domestic, one of those postal office kind of things, something to do with office attitudes and horrors or whatever they were. your thoughts. >> right, you're right, chris. it's a man choking on an empty grudge. he's going to die in his horrible suicide mission, this time at the hand of the officers. but he's in there to kill everybody and be killed himself. it's an old formula. he's mad at his employer. you know, we call it workplace violence, but it's a sickness that pervades in america. the mad bomber of new york city planted bombs all over new york city because he was mad at con edison, his employer, because he had hurt his back so he decided to plant bombs across
the city. so it's an old formula for violence, it's not new, but it keeps happening and happening and happening. the country getting a grip on this, mental health, firearms, suicide prevention, all those things come into play and security at these buildings. >> jim, i have to ask you about this. it's like domestic violence. is that one of the sins that we just live with in any society where people have access to guns and they have emotional situations and some people commit horror? >> that's true. i don't think you can ever be free from it totally in a country as large as ours, but i think you can certainly reduce the amounts. there will probably be some warning signs, chris, that came out. we'll learn days later -- >> how do you reduce it? how do you thwart something like this? thwart it? >> reduce it one way with better gun laws. see what access he had and how
easy it was to get. unfortunately, it's the first formula for the mass killer. hey, i'll just get some guns, big guns, many guns, lots of ammo, i'll just kill everybody. it's so, so easy. so we've got to start there. there's political leaders that understand that. it doesn't mean any of these violations of the second amendment. that's just thrown out to scare everybody. listen, it's not going to reduce anybody's legal gun ownership, it's going to stop these people. that's the first thing. the second thing is suicide always plays a role here. suicide is endemic. we as police negotiators always look at suicide because suicide really drives people to do these things. they're suicidal and become homicidal-suicidal. instead of going out in the field and killing themselves, they're going to go to the workplace and seek revenge at all the people that ever looked at them wrong at work or that fired them or didn't give them a raise. the empty grudge, i like to call
it. they're choking on that empty grudge. they're collecting it for years, and all of a sudden they're going to go in now because they have come to the endi of their rope and they're suicidal and they're going to kill everybody. recognizing the signs. what does the community have to do that in the mental health arena. and building security. i can tell you, chris, when i heard about this, i said, unfortunately, municipal building, courthouses, hospitals, places of high human emotion. and when you go in those places, unfortunately, i've been in some this week, you know what, the security really is not that great. it's lackadaisical in my view. if a man can walk across the parking lot of your building, your facility carrying a rifle, you don't have any security. and so churches, you know, municipal buildings, i hate to see these kinds of things. this is probably going to get down to workplace violence because he was an employee
there. but there's going to be signs that were seen before and nobody acted appropriately on them. and now we have, you know, 11 people dead. think of the pain in virginia beach now from this. >> jim, we've got a report now from the mayor and police chief. they briefed reporters. let's listen. >> this is the most devastating day in the history of virginia beach. >> right now i can tell you that we have multiple casualties and multiple fatalities. we have 11 deceased victims. there at the scene. we had six more victims transported to area hospitals. we know that shortly after 4:00 p.m. this afternoon the suspect entered building 2. he's a long-time employee of public utilities. i will not release his name at this time. and he immediately began to indiscriminately fire upon all the victims.
officers entered. once the call went out, officers at headquarters responded to building 2. they secured as much of the victims that they could and then they engaged with the suspect. the suspect did shoot a police officer. officers returned fire. the suspect is deceased. >> well, there it is. darren, thank you for joining us. what can we make as this story breaks, this horror breaks? >> well, as a practitioner, this is something that really causes my heart to jump out of my chest, because one of the first things that we have to take into consideration is this is a case of workplace violence. more and more organizations, particularly municipalities or municipal organizations practice active shooter protocols. when we have a employee, he or she would be responsible for participating in these active shooter protocols. therefore, the shooter in this particular case would have known what the protocol would have
been, be it shelter in place or evacuate, the response locations and how police would come in, et cetera. so just from my experience in responding to workplace violence situations, it was always one that was troubling because the shooter, or i want to say the perpetrator in these particular cases would have a greater understanding of the schematic of the structure than we as responding police officers. therefore, my heart goes out to the officers that responded. i believe one of the officers was shot in the process. generally speaking, when you respond to these active shooter cases, you have one of two options. you either evacuate or shelter in place. i believe in this particular instance, they sheltered in place. you shelter in place when the people, the people in the building were in a greater amount of danger when they were leaving the building.
>> darren, let me ask you about the officer. is it protocol for the officer to basically have a showdown or to cover himself or herself? is it to take on the shooter like in high noon, gun to gun, or is it to seek shelter yourself? >> well, over the last few years that's changed. in the past we had an operational plan whereas the officer kind of waited for special operations troops to come in like s.w.a.t. and then converge on the shooter. that has since changed. now the first officer on the scene, the responding officer is responsible for and are trained to confront the shooter directly. that's what i believe happened in this particular case. granted, we're speaking from a place of conjecture because a lot of the details haven't fully been introduced to us as the public, so we have to just based on what we have, we do know that they were required to shelter in place. so going back to what you
mentioned earlier, chris, the officers are now trained to confront them and i believe that's what happens. >> do you have to assume that the shooter, when you arrive at a situation like this from headquarters, that the shooter is in a suicidal mode? in other words, they're expecting to sacrifice their lives as part of this rite of whatever, of revenge or whatever you want to call it, that they know they're going to die so they're going to shoot it out? >> chris, these are the worst-case scenarios. when you have a shooter that feels as if they have nothing to live for and this is a suicide mission, because these are the individuals that will take out as many people as they possibly can and attempt to shoot the police as well. from my understanding it was a methodical search. he went from floor to floor, shooting and killing innocent civilians. so when we have someone like that, unfortunately this is something where we have to
neutralize the assailant as quick as possible. believe it or not, a large number of these mass shootings result in people that basically feel as if they have nothing to live for and they're on a suicide mission. that's when police really need to, quote unquote, have their heads on a swivel and bring as much resources as they can. the first responding officer is now trained to effectively combat the shooter or i'll just say attempt to neutralize the shooter initially. however, the additional resources that we bring in must be capable of stopping the rounds that this particular asail anasa assailant is using. >> hold on, darren. i want to bring back jim cavanaugh. jim, we're learning here that -- he's not a suspect, he's dead, the shooter if you will is dead, shot by police in a shootout after they had protected the other people from being shot. what are we looking at now?
>> we're looking at, just like the lieutenant said, we're looking at hero cops. the first few officers, they move quickly in. that's the protocol. we all train on active killer drills. you're deciding when you get the call on the radio that he's a suicidal/homicidal guy. your question of do you go like high noon, you do a tactical movement and are moving from cover to cover. the first thing i think about is cover. the first thing to get behind a tree or wall but you've got to move fast. a virginia beach pd officer took some rounds, was wounded, apparently. i don't think they said he was killed. the other officers, well tran trained, and they look this loser killer out. now, these guys often are out for infamy and i think it's a good thing that in the news business his name is going to be reported and his picture is
going to be up. that has to happen in journalism. but the point being that it's not just hyped for weeks on ending. it's going to be in the news today and it can be relegated to the bottom of the page because what we've seen, chris, recently in shootings like in colorado and stuff were the heroes who tackled the guy, the students and the coaches. their names are up, their pictures are up, they're the heroes. that's what you like to see. don't give these guys the infamy they want. >> i love the fact we don't use their names. i hope we don't have to. let me go to david jolly. david, you've been involved in this debate over gun violence. this case, all cases are a little different. this is about apparently a workplace situation where the anger was -- and the shooting was addressed at fellow workers, perhaps the employer. this is something i remember, we all grew up with the post office situations where there's a lot of pressure at work, a lot of
unhappiness of many people in their jobs. here we go. >> sure. and look, the national reaction typically follows a traditional narrative of heartbreak for the victims. we mourn as a nation for the lives lost and for their surviving families. we reflect on the valor of the first responders, and the chief was very specific to recognize the valor of those who went in the building. the police officer who it appears survived the shootout because of a bulletproof vest, i believe he said. but then the next step in the national conversation is always the public policy debate, the political debate, if you will. i was in the house after the pulse nightclub when frankly nothing happened. we know after vegas what happened on bump stocks, took a year. that does very little to address the mass violence by firearms. we've seen parkland, we've seen pittsburgh, tonight it's virginia beach. chris, we are a nation with broken gun laws.
not just easy access to guns, but our laws are broken. we see violence in the united states at a rate you do not see anywhere else in the civilized world. to deny the fact that our laws are broken is simply pure ignorance on behalf of politicians that can say such. we can debate the solutions. but what we know tonight once again, we're reminded coming out of virginia, is firearm laws in the united states of america are deeply broken. >> hold on, david. let me go to clint van zandt. clin clint, we call you in on the worst nights, but here we are again. >> yeah, chris, you've covered these so many times and we with you. what your guest is saying, that's part of the equation. part of the equation is that we've got more guns than people in this country. but if we passed a law today and said no more manufacture, no more sales of guns, we'd still have guns around 500 years from now. so part of the equation is the mental health aspect of it.
for someone to commit one more senseless act of workplace violence suggests that one more person has not developed any type of conflict resolution skills other than marrying what he's seen someone else do, which is go in and commit the ultimate crime against anybody and everybody. you blame one person, you blame the whole workplace itself, and so many of these individuals go in fully expecting to die. and the question we ask sometimes is, well, if you're that bad off, why don't you just go out in the woods and do it or go in your backyard and do it. but it's always the individual. i've spoken to some people who have survived these things, chris, who are the shooters. they have this imagined picture of their getting even. not just for themselves but for everybody like themselves who have been in a similar situation and felt they were taken advantage of. but until we're able to identify
an individual who's going into a crisis state, when we with the benefit of 20/20 hindsight we find these pre-incident indicators on an individual, our challenge is to find those indicators and to get society, law enforcement, mental health community, to do something about it along with doing something concerning our guns in this country too. >> clint, i want to ask you because you're the pro in this. if you have 330 million people in a country and more guns than that, it's just a roulette wheel that goes around and it's going to land on somebody. there's that many numbers, that many guns. somebody who shouldn't have a gun will get one if they don't already have one and are going to do something bad. isn't this just a law of averages in this culture? >> that's the key issue, chris. the guns are there. anybody who wants a gun, no
matter what gun laws we pass today, if you want to buy a gun you can go on the streets of new york city, chicago, l.a., washington, you can buy a gun on the street. the issue is that each individual who commits an act like this by and large is because he's seen someone else do it and it's the aha phenomena. aha, now i too know how i can get even. i know how i can settle the score. until we can touch those people, they're going to do just what you just said. it's going to be the roulette wheel and it's this city today and it's another city tomorrow and it's not going to stop until we find a way to reach people before they do this. that's kind of our crapshoot too. you're always trying to identify that person. >> thanks, clint, as always, sir. let me go back to darren with the new york police record and you've got all those years working. let's talk about the police officers and the good guys here, not the people with real problems that brought hell on us
again. talk about the police officer that walks into one of these situations. he's called from headquarters, he's told there's a live shooter at this place. he knows there are people already down. what does that person have to have in their head and their hearts to walk into that situation? >> i give you from my personal experience, and i've responded on many of these cases of workplace violence. the first thing that goes through me is a chill goes down my spine because i know this is a violent situation, highly volatile, and i'm not sure if i'm going to come out of this alive because we have a shooter, once again this is a shooter involved in workplace violence that knows the schematic of the building. so the cop that's responding knows what i was telling you. so they're going to be very, very -- i don't want to use the term hesitant, but they're going to go into this as tactically sound as possible. one of your guests mentioned cover and concealment.
that is absolutely essential. you want to establish cover and concealment every step of the way when you enter that building. like a mentioned, that first officer that responds on the scene, he or she is responsible for engaging the shooter. then the next thing that's going to happen is we are going to set up three perimeters. we're going to set up something we refer to as the hot zone, the warm zone and the cold zone. the hot zone is the area where the actual shooter would be located. anyone that's in that area where the hot zone is located should have body armor that is equivalent to the weapon that's being used by the shooter. the warm zone is going to be a little further out but once again, those individuals should wear body armor that's equivalent to the rounds that are being fired from this weapon. and then you're going to have the cold zone. the cold zone is the outer perimeter. that outer perimeter, that's where you're going to have uniformed officers that are setting up traffic blockades and
cutting off pedestrian traffic from entering that facility. they're also going to check credentials to ensure that the special operations troops get in there as quick as possible. so going back to what you mentioned to me initially, chris, that first officer is a human being. he's a person that pumps red blood just like you and i. they're going to be nervous, but at the same token, they're going to practice a level of tactical vigilance and that's where that officer is looking. >> i love the protocol information. let's go to pete williams, our expert here on the law and what we know about the police situation. pete williams. >> well, chris, tonight the mayor is calling this the most devastating day in the history of virginia beach. the numbers you know, 11 people killed, six people injured. we don't yet know the condition of the people who were taken to two hospitals, five to one, one to another, presumably all with gunshot wounds although authorities haven't said yet
what the nature of their injuries is exactly. but this is a person they say who was an employee of this building. in other words, they say he was shooting at people that he knew. entering the building just after 4:00, about 4:30. this is the municipal building. it's in a cluster of city office buildings near the court house, near city hall in virginia beach. then the police chief says he just began indiscriminately opening fire. now, we don't yet know what kind of weapon the gunman was carrying or how heavily armed he was. we do know that the police response was very quick because you've got all these city buildings around. you have this large police presence there anyway. they were in that building very, very quickly. we do know that the gunman was killed in a shootout with police and one of the people who was a target of the gunman's gunfire
was a police officer, but the police chief is saying that his life was spared by the body armor he was wearing, by in essence his bulletproof vest. we don't yet know anything further about the motive. all they're saying is this was a current employee of this municipal building. he's being described as a disgruntled employee obviously. earlier there had been a rumor that he had been fired, but the police chief said that he was a current employee. we had sense that this was a workplace shooting early on this afternoon when some of the witnesses were saying that they knew who the gunman was, so that suggested it was a co-worker, someone they knew. we were just waiting to find out whether this was a domestic violence situation or workplace shooting, but it does seem now like it's the latter. >> it seems that we've been saved from this particular category of mass shooting for a while. remember, pete, you've got a great memory. remember all those post office
situations that became almost classic. >> right. decades ago. and then there was a spate of them about 10 or 15 years ago also in large industrial settings. but you're right, we haven't seen a lot of these, fortunately, lately. so we're fortunate that they're not -- they don't happen more often than they do. of course one of the questions is how did the person get the gun inside this building? but this was an office building, and not every office building in america -- you know, you expect to see metal detectors in courthouses at the concourses of airports, which is where most americans would run into them, here in washington virtually every federal office building has metal detectors for people who walk in off the street. but this is the kind of place where you go in to see the people about your water bill, to
operations -- people who carry out the normal day-to-day operations of a city, and it did not have metal detectors probably because there wasn't a lot of public walk-in. but that's how this person was able to get this gun in. of course an employee would know how to do it. >> pete williams, thank you so much, sir, tonight. our local affiliate, wavy, interviewed some witnesses at the scene. let's listen. >> yelling and screaming, trying to get everybody safe and some gunshots. >> reporter: when you heard the gunshots, what did you hear? >> we just heard people yelling and screaming to get down. i was on the phone with 911 so i was trying to concentrate on getting -- talking to them. >> a human face of a tragedy. let's listen to what virginia governor ralph northam had to say while on his way to a briefing on the shooting. >> our folks at the hospital,
just making sure that we take care of everybody right now. we're going to be briefed here and i'll have some further comments a little while later in the evening. >> they say 11 are dead. when you hear that -- >> yes. it's just a horrific day. >> let me go back to jim cavanaugh. unfortunately another guy i talk to in the worst moments of our times here. jim, as pete williams was talking about this category of mass shooting, it seems to be people who know each other face to face, people shooting people they know from work, they see them at lunchtime, they see them coming and going to work, they may work next to them, they know who they're shooting, and they're killing them. killing as many as they can shoot before they're shot. it seems like an extremist thing, i'll kill until i'm killed. >> that's right, chris. what you find in these workplace shootings too is they'll sometimes skip some employees. they'll sometimes let some employees go because they liked
them or didn't have a grudge against them or they're an actual human person to their mind. sometimes it's not every single person. sometimes they go for their person or the person that turned them in or the revenge. as clint said, pre-incident indicators. they're there. everybody is going to know he's a disgruntled employee. that's not going to be a secret. when you go to his home life, there's probably going to be some indicators of in instability in his life. some drugs or issues with him emotionally. he could have all kinds of things going on. and he couldn't have had prior contact with the police. you know, the question of the gun laws, as congressman jolly was talking about, he's right because, you see, what you have to do is you are hurtiputting ah of hurdles in front of a mass killer. there's hurdles to get over.
when the gun laws are better, there's more hurdles. it's not that somebody can't get over them some time, but that most people can't. the way it is now, heck, just go into the gun show and buy all the ammo you want, buy all the guns you want. you need more to kill more, get more. there's no restrictions. so it really plays into the killer's hands. where if he has to go into the back alley to try to find a gun, that's risk for him. sometimes he gets a gun that jams and doesn't work. sometimes he runs into an undercover atf agent or police officer and gets arrested. sometimes he even gets hurt by a criminal. it's risky business to buy black market guns in tough neighborhoods. so we talk about it on television, how easy it was. listen, i worked gun trafficking for 33 years. i'm telling you it's not so simple. it's criminal activity. so that's a risk that we put out to the buyer in the black
market, that he might be arrested, he could be hurt, he could be in jeopardy of the criminal justice system or drug dealers or whatever. but we don't even have to do that. the mass killer doesn't face that risk, he can go wherever he wants. walk into the gun store or the gun show without restrictions. so we need to tighten that up. we're living in america really in the last 35 years, that's the design by the gun lobby. they controlled all the laws, all the gun laws in congress. congress will not budge on anything. they won't hear or let anything get through. so this is -- this is america designed by the gun lobby. >> right, i agree, and they're probably circling the wagons right now as we speak at the nra and places like that where they'll think there will be heat for a couple of weeks and it will blow over. our concern is protecting the rights to own a gun. anyway, the mayor and police chief have briefed reporters just a short time ago. let's watch that.
>> this is the most devastating day in the history of virginia beach. >> right now i can tell you we have multiple casualties and multiple fatalities. we have 11 deceased victims. there at the scene we had six more victims transported to area hospitals. we do know that shortly after 4:00 p.m. the suspect entered building 2. he's a long-time employee of public utilities. i will not release his name at this time. and he immediately began to indiscriminately fire upon all the victims. officers entered. once the call went out, the officers were at headquarters, they responded to building 2. they secured as much of the victims as they could and then they engaged with the suspect. the suspect did shoot a police officer. officers returned fire. the suspect is deceased. >> clint van zandt, let's talk
about the kind of person who would do something like this, because we'll know a lot more in the paper tomorrow, by midnight we'll know more. but it seems to me to be angry at your bosses is not a rare mood to be in. people get mad at their bosses, get mad at their co-workers. they quit jobs, they bad mouth. these are normal, we live with them all the time. why don't they just go wash dishes in oklahoma, go somewhere else. why do you have to go back to where you work and shoot people? it's a subset of anger. talk to me about the cases you've studied where people resort to mass shootings at the workplace. >> yeah, and one of the many questions that jim cavanaugh and myself and others ask every time we see these is why today, chris? why not yet? why not tomorrow? what was the triggering event that set this guy off finally? was it a confrontation at work? was it a confrontation at home? those are the things we have to
understand. we have to know what the triggering mechanism is that finally sets a person off. and the challenge is i've worked with companies that have had me come in and have said we need you to talk to this guy because everybody in the workplace has said he's been voted most likely to come in and shoot the workplace up. when you do an assessment, tell us if he's going to do that or not. most of the time when you talk to somebody like that, there's a level of anger, frustration, rage, there's mental health issues going on. but many times too if you can identify that person, you can talk to them. the problem is, is that we see these things. we see people that are angry, frustrated, rageful, depressed, whatever it is. and it's not my job. i'm not my brother's keeper. i'm not supposed to find out about this guy. no, it's kind of what we need to do to protect us all. i teach workplace violence.
you tell the clients, when you see something, just like in new york city, when you see something, say something. that should also be addressed in the area of workplace violence. if someone is talking about weapons, if they're angry, if they're talking about getting revenge, if they exhibit any type of mental health problems, these are the times as co-workers we should have a responsibility to tell someone. hey, this guy has got some problems. somebody needs to talk to him and find out is he the next shooter? is he the next suicide person? or is he just going to pick up and move to another town and wash dishes? but we need to have some way to interview those people and talk to them before they act out, because as you say tomorrow, everybody is going to understand, we're going to say, gee, i always knew that guy was going to act up, he was always crazy. well, then tell somebody if you know that. >> darren, let's talk about the ballistics here or the weaponry.
i know we all look for hope and say, well, if you get automatic weapons or bump stocks out of the hands of people they can't do mass shootings. here's apparently a single shot kind of weapon. i don't think it's a revolver, it's probably a semiautomatic pistol. it looks like you can do a lot of damage with a single shot weapon. darren? >> chris, let me jump in on that and you can do a lot of damage. it doesn't have to be a fully automatic weapon, it doesn't have to be a semiautomatic. chris, you and i remember virginia tech. when the 21, 22-year-old shooter there had two semiautomatic pistols and he was able to create that much murder and mayhem on that campus. so it's not really the capacity of the weapon necessarily, it's how dedicated that shooter is, what type of environment is he
shooting in and how quickly can law enforcement respond. and the challenge is most mass shooters go into an environment where they believe there's not going to be anybody who can stand up against them. in essence, they don't think there's going to be a police officer there to take them on at that time. what they're pryitrying to do i kill as many people as they can. if the police show up, then a murder-suicide takes place. this guy's probably ultimate goal like many may well have been to die in this incident. he was able to do that but why couldn't we identify him beforehand. can we keep the guns out of their hands and get people mental health before they commit something like that. if we could do those two miracles, we could stop this in this country. >> jim cavanaugh, i want to talk about the proliferation of this
horror because i'm thinking of all the cities and towns in this country that are known for mass shooting. columbine, san bernardino, virginia tech that was mentioned, sandy hook. it just seems like it's every part of the country, every region has been hit like this. california all the way to connecticut, down to the south. of course ft. hood. all this, it's just everywhere. every city is now -- it seems like every state has a city known for a mass shooting now. >> that's right, chris. it really behooves all the governments, local, county governments, city governments to band together and form a little task force of agents, police, county deputies, state troopers, some mental health professionals, school administrators, form a little task force. formalize it more, not just a network of making a phone call.
maybe get an office space for them where they meet regular every month. all the people come in. clingt was just talking about that and recognized as having problems. here's a guy having a problem. he works at this company, everybody is afraid of him, here's what's going on. sitting around the table, there's a city detective, there's a state trooper who runs the intelligence center, an fbi agent, and they say let us check. does that guy have a gun? what is he doing? and maybe there could be someone look at him to see if he could be interrd. it's the hurdles you're trying to make to stop the guy from doing what he's going to do. look, chris, what does the secret service do when they think somebody is going to attack one of their protected persons? they interview the person. they go, they sit down and they interview the person. we heard you made a threat against one of our protectees.
why would you want to do that? who are you? what's going on? >> it's direct. clint will tell you as negotiators, what do we say to a guy who's going to kill himself? are you going to kill himself? we say, hey, look, are you planning on killing yourself? let's fwauk thatalk about that. you need direct intervention. you talk every night on your show about leadership, political leadership. it is the sine que non of stopping this problem. you'll never stop everything all, no car wrecks, no heart attacks. you want to reduce it. it can be greatly reduced in my view with real determination. look, the gun lobby should have a say, chris, i just don't think they should control all the gun laws and lock down the congress. they should have a say pause they want to protect rights of
gun owners. good, i've been around them for years. but they shouldn't control anything to the detriment of every citizen where you can't go anywhere or you're going to get slaughtered. >> let's go to frank figliuzzi who's on for other issues. frank, when i first went to capitol hill back in '71 i was working as a capitol cop for a while. i would go to the police station there right next to the senate building and they had little xs where everybody had been killed in the last year or so. it was a very dangerous neighborhood, capitol hill back then. now the united states has cities all over the country, schools, all kinds of work places where there's been mass shootings. if you just show a map of the united states, it's frightening. what do you say to the rest of the world when they pick up the paper in hong kong tomorrow and see another shooting in the u.s. why is america the country that has mass shootings all the time? >> i know that it's hard to
explain because i know my friends and colleagues in other countries just shake their heads at this. they worry about knife crimes and assault. what i think we need to have the world understand is this is what we are right now and we have to come up with ways to deal with it. one of the things that i keep stressing, chris, not only from my fbi career but in my corporate security career is the need for everyone to understand the warning signs and indicators. these things don't just happen. the myth that people going postal, quote unquote, or that they just snap is just that, a myth. employers have got to set up systems for co-workers to report their concerns about employees. if you know someone who is obsessing, can't get off of a topic, is engaged in odd drawings or writing or talking of hurting themselves or others or have recently acquired
weapons or are training with weapons and you combine those with stresses in life, a divorce, family illnesses, stress, and the job change, the job impact. i note that today is friday. i note that friday throughout the corporate world is a day when personnel actions happen. >> it sure does. >> at the ending of a pay period. this is what triggers people. so we've got to get the warning signs and triggers trained into people and people have to report concerned co-workers. >> and if people face a termination, it tends to happen on friday afternoon. who knows if that's involved here. frank, let me talk to you about this mass shooting thing because as you point out, street crime is worldwide. sometimes it's knives, sometimes it's pistols. but what's it about us, the mass shooting? it doesn't seem to happen in japan. you know, the other day on the danube a boat overturned with a
lot of south korean tourists on it. they don't die in mass shootings in south korea or anywhere except here. >> look, this goes back to historians talking about the wild west and the building of america and the impact of a gun, the importance of firearms in american history and taming the west. we have this kind of image, an iconic image of what it was like to carry the sidearm and the revolver and the six-shooter and it permeates our media now. it permeates our entertainment. we find it entertaining to play violent games, to go see a movie that's filled with bloodshed. and it's become a part of our culture. we have to call time-out on that. we have to ask ourselves as people debate gun laws and gun control and all of those issues, what are we doing culturally? what are we doing with our kids? what do we call entertainment? but it's part of the culture who
we are and it's time to question that culture. >> have you seen any movie previews lately? they're horrible. it reminds me, clint -- or frank, back to the days -- clint, back to the days of "gunsmoke" which was the number one show for ten years and everything was about a new guy coming into town and trying to get a reputation by shooting something. reputation. isn't that interesting culture overlay? kill somebody, get a reputation. >> well, it's how we choose to deal with things. we've got to get additional coping mechanisms and start teaching people how to deal with trouble without violence. it's easy for us in our society because of the accessibility of weapons to not try to talk it out, to not be equipped with coping skills but rather to go down to the store and buy the firearm. it's the easy way out. we've got to teach alternative coping methods. >> well, we've got a meeting
coming up in fresno state next monday night, coming up two days from now, and i have to tell you mayor pete buttigieg, who's out there, he is calling for registration of firearms. that's of course a very hot proposition, clint. that's a hot one. registration. but maybe we're going to reach that point at some point. >> let me go to frank on that one. >> yeah, we may reach that, clint, but again, you start telling americans, okay, we're going to send a police officer to every house, we want to see your guns, we want to see your serial numbers on your guns. maybe in a hundred years but not in the next five or ten years is anything like that going to happen in this country. >> okay. thank you so much to all our guests tonight. a tragic night. we report the news here. the news tonight and here it is, 11 people are dead in virginia beach after a mass shooting at a
we watch the rally in southwestern ohio. have a great evening, everybody. preevent >> president trump: that's two protesters on tomorrow night, the headline wie protesters protesters. you don't have an of second one? ♪ be one welcome to "tucker carlson tonight." the president is speaking a we will be taking portions of the live, especially t newsworthy moments. we also going to get to it last night's debate, tulsi gabbard of hawaii hit kamala harris harder than anyone has so far. a remarkable moment here will be talking to kelsey gever life you were not, we are going to go back to the president, speaking in ohio. >> president trump: from the fields of the great pocahontas, who is now lying and cheating her way to the presidency if possible. she's trying to win, remember? she defrauded people with her
credentials. she said she was indian. and i said, that i have more indian blood and then she does and i have none, i'm sorry. and we drove her crazy. and we drove her crazy. that's a good thing, not a bad thing. and she went out and she had a blood test done and it came out 1,020 points. he said somewhere back there, hundreds of years ago, there may have been an indian or it may have been a statistic a statistical error because it was so small, which was. anyway, the guy was like from her group. you wouldn't be very happy right now and we have a man that campaigned so hard, relentlessly. and i came in, we did a rally where we had people like this. it was packed. the day before the election.
and mike dewine, he won that election and he won it easily. mike dewine. [cheers and applause] and we have and then who is running for governor of kentucky again and he has done an incredible job. and you know, sometimes you can do such a good job that not everybody appreciates it but they had a lot of problems with pensions at a lot of tremendous problems that a normal governor would never have been able to correct. but when you correct it, you make yourself a little bit less popular. but he had no choice and they had no choice. it's a great, great state and he has turned out to be a great, great governor, matt bevin.
[cheers and applause] >> tucker: we will get back to the trumpet event and monitoring every minute of it. we will bring you news, of course paid right now, the president's talking local politics but we will get back to him shortly. as promised though, there's a lot to unpack from the democratic debate last night. four years ago, democrats came up with a new and untested political theory, they could win the white house, their strategist promised, if only they called enough people racist. that was the plan. hillary clinton, phone, thought it was brilliant. by election day, she had announced half the country as bigots. in the end, it didn't work, they would not surprise me, turns out that when you tell people you hate them, they don't care for it. what voters strongly prefer a comeback should is when you try to improve their lives. it's not complicated. yet, somehow, this is the remarkable part, if you think about it, democrats have, in the three years since they lost, steadfastly refused to learn
this lesson. improve people's lives, they will tell you? no thanks. they think their job is to improve people. they think voters are disgusting and immoral. they want to force them to be half as virtuous as they are. for the second election cycle in a row, that is the democratic message. you are disgusting, try to be as good as we are. that message was on floor of display last night of the candidate's debate. to pick among countless examples of it, washington governor jay inslee brains americans for the coming end of the world. >> we cannot work it out here we cannot work this out. the time is up here to our house is on fire. we have to stop using coal in ten years and we have a president that won't get that done to get off coal. save this country and the planet. that's what i'm on board for it. >> tucker: okay, so let's take carbon emissions really are responsible for it will become the change but we don't know that. science has not proved it.
sorry. it is not proven. but just for the sake of argument, let's speculate that it's true. carbon cause of climate change. china has by far the world's biggest emitter of carbon. so shouldn't governor inslee, who cares very deeply about climate change, turn his wrath on the chinese? will come of course. but he didn't. and never will. because for democrats, is always default of americans voters. kirsten gillibrand of new york bragged about that time she brings some of the tourists most deaf rick people in america about being too privilege. even as they languish in chronic unemployment and dropped dead by the hundreds of thousands from a widely ignored drug epidemic had the real problem is their white privilege. >> i don't believe that it's the responsibility of corey and, like to be the only voice that takes on these issues of incident institutional racism.
i think as a white woman of privilege who is a u.s. senator running as the as the president of the united states, it is also my responsibility to lift up those voices that are being listened to and i can talk to those white woman in the suburbs and talk to them about what white privilege actually is. my responsible is not to only lift up those stories but explained to communities across america like i did in ohio, to a young mother, does this is all of our responsibility. >> tucker: yeah, they are privilege. just too much privilege grade that's a problem. not to be outdone, julian castro attached americans for daring to complain about illegal immigration to their country. open borders? that's just a right wing talking point. and then a single breath later, castro called for appealing a law that makes it a crime to enter america illegally. watch. watch. >> open borders is a white ring talking point and frankly, and disappointed that some folks on
this stage have taken the debate. the only way that we are going to guarantee that we don't have bradley's separations in this set country again is to rip peel the immigration and nationality act. >> tucker: and cory booker and then that meanwhile is in the process of transitioning to a brand-new identity. he spent most of the inning sounding like a nation of islam recruiter rather than a deeply e son of two ivy and executives which is what he really is. >> there are people right now in prison for life for drug offenses because you stood up and used that tough on crime phony illiterate that got a lotf people elected but destroyed communities like mine. >> tucker: mr. booker, barking at the former vice president. poor vice president. communities like mine that were destroyed by you, joe biden. cory booker drew grew up in a
here inching park new jersey peer the black population of parenting part? 0.6%. less than 1%. the poverty rate for families in harrington park? literally zero. not a single family in harrington park is poor. not one. that's where cook hori cory booker grout. so the only way that joe biden's crime policy is distorted in his hometown is by allowing presidents to move out and gentrified brooklyn. cory booker is by far the most privileged candidate running for president in either party this year and that's fine, not his fault. it's the relentless lying about it that so degrading. can any of these candidates win a general election? in it at this point, no care they can't pay they are not impressive enough. joe biden was the parties one real hope and after last night, it seems pretty clear conclusively clear, really, that uncle joe is heading for a well reserved retirement.
>> the fact is, the bills that the president, the future president, that the senator is talking about, if you agree with me, go to joe, 30330 and help me in this fight. thank you very much. >> tucker: biting couldn't even locate his own came pan website that joe 30330 website? it doesn't exist. in fact, i think it's been bought by pete buttigieg or something. what it tells you a lot about joe biden. don't be fooled by the current poll numbers. and if another candidate doesn't step up soon and start talking like a sane person, so was the democratic party, lease for the cycle. jenny perino, she joins us tonight. dana, i'm starting to think that none of these candidates is capable of winning. >> it could be. you know, i'm reminded of something bob beckel told us a few years ago, he said that in
1984, right before the election come about six weeks before the election, the mondale campaign put out a poll and they decided to add a question at the end of the pole and the question was this -- do we even think we need to have an election? and it was something like 90% of people were like now. we are good. and he said he knew that it was probably going to be a landslide. i i'm not suggesting that's going to be the case. we are so far away from where we are. however, we have had nine months of this campaign. elizabeth warren and kamala harris, they were out early. cory booker, you have a lot of information. you have no 25 candidates but 20 people who work or on over the last two nights and nobody is setting the world on fire. and in fact, one of the things they spent last night doing was basically picking apart the
obama legacy, the obama presidency, which was only three years in the rearview mirror. that was something that was very telling to me because if you watch every moment of those debates, and i did, i think that if barack obama, the candidate of 2008 have been on that stage last night, he would have been considered a moderate conservative democrat. the party is leaning so far left that he might not have even been on the stage and you saw today, obama staffer and former cabinet officials, derek holder, rahm emanuel, they all said wait a minute guys, why are you coming after barack obama? shouldn't we all be focusing our firepower on donald trump? and they didn't do that and i think it's interesting that over the last couple of days, nothing has really changed. i think joe biden is still going to be the front runner when all of the polls shakeout. >> tucker: biden's performance though, last night, really didn't raise, i think, questions about his competence as a
candidate. >> well, he did better, if you're a democratic voter, okay, he did better in this debate than he did it the previous debate appeared in the fact that he is a front runner and was able to survive relatively well on stage, no one is going to right in a big celebration for joe biden yet but i think he was able to right the ship a little bit and i think that's the point to steal the top tier. >> tucker: the hostility toward biden from the left, and biden is a member of the left, i mean, biden, the issues, really isn't different from any of the other candidate standing up there but they don't trust him and they don't like him and they are sniping at him pretty relentlessly. i don't think i'm imagining that, am i? >> you are not. in fact, even mayor de blasio had the gall to basically go after joe biden the entire time the why did he do with that? if you are in a debate, tragically, you want to get attention by going after the person that the front runner. it would be interesting to see how joe biden would match up
against warren or sanders because that's where the real tension in the party is. people in the democratic party are dismayed to hear you had michael morgan out there today saying michelle obama is our only hope and that's another fantasy. if they don't deal with the reason that they lost in 2016, and really deal with it, they are looking at a situation like i had with bob beckel. let me also draw you a contrast real quickly. the last two nights democrats were in michigan. that is a state that they lost by an inch but they need to win a by a mile. they spent the last two nights basically out liberal leaning each other to the left. meanwhile, what is president trump too? he went to ohio tonight, why did he go there? every republican needs to win ohio pete he wanted by nine points and he doesn't want to leave anything to chance and he took this opportunity to say okay, but i draw a contrast between what everybody wants on the left tonight and me and let you all decide. and if joe biden is one of the biggest problems, you still to win the electoral college grade i know i'm a broken record on
that, however, it is true, and until pete buttigieg has his dream of dismantling the electoral college, which is going to happen in our lifetime. when joe biden said he wants to get rid of fossil fuels in ten years, do you think that president trump isn't going to hammer him on that in those three states, indiana, ohio, and kentucky? that's the perfect reason to. joe biden doesn't need to do that but he can't straddle the fence nevada all things progressive and still hold onto what he says is the majority of the democratic party. >> tucker: really quick, tell me why michelle obama getting in is a fantasy. >> well, she's never going to do that. i think that is the case. let's say, if michelle obama decides to get in the race, i will donate a month salary to your favorite charity. how about that? because i think -- >> tucker: my favorite charity will be the stop michelle obama the from becoming president
charity. >> i just think, she doesn't even like politics for they have a great life. she doesn't want to run. in fact, she might not even be able to run. if barack obama is going to be too moderate for this new crowd, then i don't know if even michelle obama would have a chance. but she's not going to run. do you think she's going to run? >> tucker: i don't hear but i do think that this field is weak and i've never seen a group in a primary taint themselves into boxes fax to the in them. >> i agree. if you have 25 people and out of those 25 you can't find anybody, and you really think the former first lady of the nine states is going to come in and save you coming of a much bigger problem on your hands and trying to win 2020. you have a bigger problem going into 2024 and 2028. you are looking at me so skeptical. >> tucker: no, i'm not. i'm processing. dana perino, thank you so much. we are going to rejoin the president. he's in ohio talking about energy policy.
>> president trump: oil, the number one producer of national gas. the number one everything having to do with energy. number one anywhere in the worl world. we are reversing decades of calamitous trade policies that let other countries to pillage our jobs, plunder our factories, and devastates ohio communities and communities in every state. the era of economic surrender is over. [cheers and applause] >> president trump: when you look at what they've done to your jobs over a period of time, nafta was one of the worst deals ever made and probably the worst deal. you still have empty buildings, empty factories, but now, they're getting filled up pretty fast for being knocked down for brand-new ones.
we have hundreds of new companies pouring into the united states. my first week in office, i was through the united states from one of the last administrations, worst salads. it would've destroyed our automobile industry, it would have destroyed manufacturing in this country. and maybe that's what president obama months. when he said you can't produce manufacturing jobs anymore in the united states, because he would've signed a trans-pacific partnership and he would have right. i had told them. and by the way, trans-pacific partnership would have destroyed the automobile industry in this country. already, they shift down 30% of your jobs to mexico, under the new usmca, that's mexico and canada, we have to get them to vote on that because that's in an incredible deal.
but under the new, it's going to be very hard for companies to leave you, to fire you, to go down, to make their product, whatever it may be, to send it back into the united states with no tax, all we end up with is unemployment and taxes and empty buildings. so they've got to vote on the usmca before i took office, foreign countries ripped us off, but america is not being pushed around anymore. do you realize that? [cheers and applause] >> president trump: i think i got that from working in ohio for two summers. we've taken the toughest ever action to stand up to china's trade abuse and i just announce another 10% tariff on
$300 billion worth of chinese products that come into our country. [cheers and applause] and that's on top of the 25 croissants that we take of $250 billion coming in from china and don't let them tell you, the fact is, china devalues their currency, they pour money into their system, they poured in. and because they do that, you are not paying for those tears, china's paying for those tariffs. [cheers and applause] for the last 20 years, china has taken hundreds and hundreds of billions of dollars out of our country and now, we are stopping the theft of american jobs, we are stopping the theft of so many other things happening,
including intellectual property. they steal our intellectual property. and you know, i think i want to try and make a deal with us but i'm not sure because the word is, i feel, they want to wait until they get -- they are praying. they are praying. they would like to see a new president in a year and a half so they could continue to rip off the united states like they've been doing for the last 25 years. they would love to see a guy like sleepy joe biden, who has no clue what the hell he is doing, . they would slay to sleepy joe, sarah, just sign right there. oh, okay. i will sign. they've been losing hundreds of
billions of dollars to china and it has to stop. president xi is a good man. he's a friend of mine. he understands it. and until such time, as there is a deal, we will be taxing the hill out of china. that's all there is. if foreign countries don't want to pay a tariff, i have a simple solution. make your product in america, come on back to the united states, come on back to ohio, there is no tariff. there is no tariff. [cheers and applause]
>> president trump: banks to steal tariffs, hundreds of thousands of tons, think of this, were dumped on our shores. end steel is like something else. it's not quality. they were dumping garbage. they call it sand steal. they collect dirt steel. it was mixed up. it was bad stuff. and we didn't want to use that for our jet fires and for our beams that will the buildings. but they were dumping tremendous quantities of steel and what was happening is, united states steel and all of our companies were going virtually out of business and i stopped it. i put on a 25% tariff, billions of dollars is now pouring into our treasury, and our steel companies and our steelworkers are coming back. [cheers and applause] right here in ohio, nucor, a
great steel company, and a steel company that is doing great again. nucor has announced an 85 $85 million upgrade in marrying. steel announced plans to build a new $150 million deal mill in tioga heights and cleveland clients announced a new $700 million plan in a very good place that i like a lot, toledo, toledo, ohio, . and this was unthinkable because four years ago, steel plants were closing. they weren't expanding and they were into building new plants in florida, north carolina, south carolina, all over, not just ohio. on issue after issue, democrats
have forgotten who it is that they are supposed to represent. they forgot. i wonder why they forgot. the job of elected officials is to represent american citizens. the radical democrats. it even support deadly sanctuary city is which are released dangerous criminals onto our streets. sanctuary cities. and many of the places that have sanctuary cities and many of the people that live there, they don't want them. they don't want them. they are dangerous, they are not good, here, are just a few examples. in san francisco, an illegal alien was arrested no fewer than ten times in the span of less than one year for numerous counts of burglary and theft yet, each time, san francisco defied federal authorities and
set him free. and bad things have been when they set him free. a sink sanctuary jurisdiction in california recently released a criminal alien from jail, the vy next month, the same individual was arrested for rate and then, beyond anything you would even believe, a horrible thing happens. but yet again, he was released back into your community, after a sanctuary city in new jersey released an alien charged with domestic violence, he was arrested in missouri, for the murders of three people. in the bizarre world view of the third and hard left, they have no problem destroying the lives of innocent americans for a single politically incorrect thought. what they want to virtually, and you know this, you know this,
they want virtual immunity for illegal aliens who have committed horrible crimes and a murderer. [boos] >> president trump: republicans believe our cities should be a sanctuary for law-abiding americans, not criminal aliens. [cheers and applause] and, yes. we just won a big lawsuit last week. in fact, one of my lawyers, for winning the lawsuit, is here tonight. i gave him a little reprieve. we need a lot of lawyers in the white house. we can sue so much so unfairly but we are winning those lawsuits left and right. one of them is here. he said i would love to go to a rally. i said, i will go into a place
called cincinnati, ohio. you deserve it. we just won the lawsuit on the wall. [cheers and applause] >> president trump: we just won the lawsuit on the wall, did you hear that? and we are building the wall faster and better than ever. it's time for democrats to end sanctuary cities and jackson release. you know you do? you tax them and then he released them. and you say will you please report back in four years from now? what only 2% come back. you know i? because they are not the smartest. they are not the smartest. they are the ones we don't want to have come back. only 2% show up. catch and release, we could end it immediately if the democrats
cared. so what we are doing is something else. weird keeping them out altogether but we are replacing random migration and we are replacing the water system how about the lottery system? how about lotteries? this was chuck schumer. you put the name in a basket, the country puts the name in the basket, and you pick people out of the lottery. well, let's see, this one is a murderer, this one robs for banks, this one, i better not say. at this one, another murder of her leaders and gentlemen, another murderer. think of this. do you think they are going to put their great citizens, they are great citizens, they are great people. you think those people are going into a lottery? no. and then, we get these people coming in and we hold it against the country. the country isn't based on that. the country, just take a look, look at the people they put into
these lotteries. it's a disgrace. and how we've done this for so many years, folks, how we have done this, it's an immigration system that's totally broken and we are going to win the house. we are going to win the senate. we're going to win the presidency, and we are going to do a merit-based immigration system. merit-based. [cheers and applause] merit-based immigration. and we need that. because we have companies coming in from all over the world and we need good workers, we need good people. we are down to 3.5% unemployment. we need people. but we want people to come in based on merit, not based on some lottery put in by a government. [cheers and applause] democrats have never been farther outside the mainstream.
liberal politicians want to eliminate private health care and force everyone all to the government plan. remember the lies from the previous administration? if you like your plan, you can keep your plan. if you like your doctor, you can keep your doctor. 28 time, one lie after another, 28 times it was said and it turned out to be a total lie. [boos] my administration is defending your right to choose the plan ends doctor that is best for you. [cheers and applause] we are offering right now, plans up to 60% cheaper than obamacare and we will always protect patients with pre-existing conditions. always. always.
[cheers and applause] virtually every top democrat, also now supports late-term abortions. [boos] and then you have a governor of virginia, it's not only late-term abortions, it's killing the baby after the baby is born. how about that? think of that. think of that. that's why i've asked congress to prohibit extreme late-term abortion because republicans believe that every child is a sacred gift from god. [cheers and applause]
democrats are now the party of high taxes, high crime, open borders, late-term abortion, and they are the party, frankly, of socialism. [boos] the republican party is the party of freedoms, the party of the american worker, the american family, we are the party of the american dream. [cheers and applause] it i'm fighting for you each and every day. i had a great life. i used to get great publicity. nobody got better publicity. i had such a great life, it was so easy. my great wife, the first lady, milani i, she said, she said you
know, you've always been a hard worker, you love to work. but you have your life was a lot easier in the olden days. but i love it. i know i love it? because we are accomplishing so much, nobody ever thought it would be possible to do the things that we are doing. even a thing like right to try, right? right to try. they have been trying to get that for years and years and years. that's people that are really sick, terminally ill, they couldn't get medicine. we have the greatest doctors, the greatest clinics, the greatest technicians in the world. they couldn't get anything. they travel to asia, if they had money. they traveled to europe, they traveled all over the world, hoping for a cure. if they had no money to just go home. they died. they had no hope. for 44 years, they've been
trying to get right to try. we are so advanced in medicine, we have a lot of things that probably work or possibly work but we weren't allowed legally to give that to these people that were so sick. you know why? because they didn't want this drug if it didn't work for the people but the people were terminally ill. so what got it approved? it wasn't easy. it was complicated. the insurance companies didn't want to do it, the government didn't want to do it, [cheers and applause] the doctors didn't want to do it. tremendous liability. but our country didn't want to do it, they say, well if it doesn't work, we are going to get sued, i say, so they will sign an agreement, very strong,. take all liability away from the united states. from the drug companies, from the doctors, all liability. they are terminally ill, let's try it. and you know what?
it's been a miracle. so many people have done so wel well. it's great. we got it done. what i said about the agreement thing, they had these great lawyers and they said gee, that's a good idea. they've been working in this industry for years. they said that's a good idea. how about getting it to me in two hours? right to try, it's a great thing. but we have some neat things like that. i have lists that you wouldn't even believe. we going to pages. were releasing a pan to allow companies to release lower-cost drugs from other countries. it's a very unfair system. our country pays the highest prices in the world. last year, it was the first time
in 51 years that drug pricing for prescription drugs actually came down. now, we are going to bring it down by a lot. we are going to bring it down a lot and now, so other countries, here's an example. canada pays half the price for a lot of drugs that we do. so we have a great governor in the state of florida, ron desantis. he calls me out, , and he's doig a great job, and he was at three and he went to 70. that's a pretty good increase, right? ron desantis, great governor, he comes to me and he goes you know, if you buy the drugs, if we buy the drugs, because this is so botched up, we have a middle man, it's not a good situation. he said if i could go and buy the drugs from canada, i could say 50%. i said do it. do it.
and if you can buy them from europe, because the system, like remember, used to scream when i was winning states, not getting the delegates that i was entitled to, and i say, the system's range. well, the drug system is rigged. it's rigged. so if we again but can buy the same drugs made by the same or mystical company from europe or from canada or from other places, at a big deep discount, we are doing it and we are giving them the right to do it. [cheers and applause] it just happened today. >> tucker: the president is speaking in ohio. we are monitoring every moment of it. we will bring you news as it happens. as promised, we want to unpack the democratic debate from last night. make no mistake about where the polls are. joe biden is despite what they may tell you, not the democratic front runner. senator kamala harris of california is. she was employing plenty of doublespeak last night to make sure she doesn't lose the lead.
lisa boothe has more on that. she joins us tonight. so, lisa, clearly the harris campaign believes that they are on the pole position here and i want to maintain that. how would you assess her efforts to keep her front runner status last night? >> i thought she got her by kate by senator tulsi gabbard. look, kamala harris reminds me a lot of hillary clinton where she is smart, she presents herself well, but she has no core conviction and that's very evident in her ever changing position on health care. just to walk you through the timeline a little bit, on her position, in 2017, she cosponsored bernie sanders medicare for all dill which eliminates private insurance, she was the first democrat to do so in 2017. then, in january of 2019, she doubled down on eliminating private insurance, even if you
like your plan. then you go to make, she walks that stance back, fast-forward to june, if you're still listening on this, fast-forward to june on the first of 8, so it's during the first debate, she raised her hand again think she would eliminate private insurance only to walk it back the next day and then fast forward to this week where we are now, she is now introducing her own plan, trying to put herself in between bernie sanders on the left and joe biden on the right and essentially what her plan does is in ten years, it moves everyone to a government run option but it includes a marketplace for private insurers that are regularly heavily regulated. but here's the kicker. it still kicks everyone off of their employer-based plan and here she is talking at the end about you doing just that. >> yes. it's important that i explained that because i think there was a misinterpretation of that on this debate stage tonight. employers right now offer their
employees a private plan. i am separating the employer from the health care. so you have the option of signing up for a private plan under medicare but it's not going to be through your employer. >> a talker, think about this. that's how most people get their health care is through their employer. we are talking about a hundred 56 million people. so democratics are not, whether it's medicare for all or whether it's kamala harris plan that she just introduced or talking about mass destruction to america's held her, if you go back to 2010, i was in that election cycle. i had a front row seat. along the care cost 60 seats in the house, six senate seats solely on that issue alone and i think they were talking about these mast instructions once again. speak >> tucker: i mean, didn't labor unions oil to the democratic party for the last hundred years spend decades and decades and decades negotiating health care plans for their
members forgoing salary increases to get those plans and then kamala harris, a democratic, and staying on of that is valid anymore? how does that work? >> that's a point that representative tim ryan brought up during the first line of the debate. he brought up that very point when he was sparring with senator bernie sanders and some of the other democrats on the stage about this. the thing i don't understand is, if you look at it, 90% of americans are insured and if you look at gallup polling, and think 70% believe that their coverage is excellent or great. so i don't understand the concept of going in with a wrecking ball to what americans already believe is excellent or great. senator chuck schumer actually made this point in 2015, looking back on the 2010 midterm elections but he said look, we blew it as a party because there is such a small percentage of registered voters that are impacted by obamacare. we shouldn't focus on all these other issues that are important to the middle class and i really just think that democrats are
put putting themselves in a really dangerous position by moving forward and talking about once again, mass destruction on such a large scale for it 156 million people which is kamala harris' plan alone. >> tucker: yeah, it's like transgender bathrooms for the sake of a small group, everyone not to turn their lives upside down. lisa boothe, great to see you. a reminder, there is a trump event in progress in ohio. we are monitoring it for news for the moment. the important moments will air right here, we guarantee a chemical he also promised to cover the aftermath of the debate last night. we just talked about kamala harris. so far she's got them pass from the press on her presidential run. they want her to be the next president so they are overlooking her back on. she was a former prosecutor, as you know, but her lead brand as a crusader for prison reform. no one called her on it until last night. grossman tulsi gabbard of hawaii
definitely called her on it. watch this. >> there are too many examples to cite but she put over 1500 people in jail for marijuana violations and then laughed about it when she was at the panel for marijuana. she blocked evidence that would have screened an innocent man from death row until the courts force her to do just so he or she can people in prison beyond their sentences to use them as cheap labor for the state of california. there is no refute for that and the people who suffered under your rain is prosecutor, them an apology. >> tucker: that was an electric moment. it might be why congresswoman gabbert was the most googled candidate since the debate last night. she joins us tonight. congresswoman, thanks a lot for coming on. so, i haven't heard anybody say what you said. why are you the first person to say this? >> look, voters deserve to know the truth. the decision that the american people have before them is a
critical one. the decision that the democrats have before them about who their nominee should be is a very important one. they deserve to know the truth about the candidates that are before them and especially on this issue of criminal justice reform that's impacting so many people across this country because it is so broken and it is an unjust criminal justice system. senator kamala harris, who is in a position to be able to make a difference, when she was serving as attorney general. and as i pointed out last night, she did not fulfill that promise that she claimed to have, which is to be a champion for the people to be a champion for the oppressed. in fact, she did the exact opposite. she made decisions that ended up hurting people. that ended up hurting minorities, hurting poor people in the state of california, which is concerning to me for someone who wants to be the president of the united states and frankly, is claiming to be a prosecutor president.
>> tucker: i think, this is a really interesting debate. this topic deserves a real debate. you have a perspective. she has her perspective. it was hear them both. she would not engage with you and that's what i found contemptible but actually fascinating. she dismissed you and her spokesman dismissed you even more savagely as a prudent apologist. what you make of that? >> a couple of things prefer small, what i was showing was not a matter of opinion pure these are widely reported facts and reports about her tenure as attorney general in california. her career as a prosecutor. and we are not talking about something that happens, you know, 30 years ago or 50 years ago, these are things that she did in her last job, just before she was elected as u.s. senator and she could be held accountable for them. so, answer for it. the voters deserve to know. but you're right, she refused to answer the questions, she refused to engage on the debate stage, and the responses from
her and her campaign, after the debate, was basically to lobby cheap smears and basically say that i am a trader or foreign agent to order trojan horse or whatever was in trying to feed those talking points of the media. so, you know, this is concerning on many levels about how senator harris would govern as president. that if there are those who are critics of her or her record, you know, for me, i am two-time veteran of the middle east deployment. i'm a soldier, currently still serving in the army. i'm a sitting member of congress, and she is smearing me in this way. imagine what she would do to anyone else. >> tucker: it's a fair point. that's a fair point. it's a refuge of the contemptible. what'd you think of cnn's debate? the way that they ran it? were you satisfied with that? >> i think it had a little more
decorum then we saw in the first debate. but you know, look, i wish there was a more fair and balanced approach in how every candidate would have the right amount of time to address these important issues that we face. there are many of them, 60 seconds and 30 seconds, short periods of time to be able to dig into these issues. so this is where i am looking forward to be able to continue to build the support for our campaign, to make it for the qualifications for the next debate in september and october. >> tucker: the one place you don't want to be in washington is outside the status quo, as you are. that's when you start getting it from all sides. >> this is -- you know, a lot of the conversation around this and the things that we are talking about, again, really come down to valuing this role, this job as president, and that most responsibility of commander-in-chief and appreciating the freedoms that we hold dear in this country.
you know, if i had the honor and privilege of serving as president president, i can guarantee you that if there are critics to my record or people who disagree with my policies, t going to label them as foreign agents or traders. having this vigorous debate is a part of who we are as a country and it's something that we've got to appreciate and actually honor the voters and the people of this country and making sure that we are providing them with the truth and the information that they need to make the best decision possible for them. >> tucker: amen. tulsi gabbard, thank you for coming on tonight. we are going to rejoin the president, who is speaking come as you know, in cincinnati, ohio, tonight with supporters. >> president trump: we have tremendous potential to go up. with your health, we will elect a republican congress to create a safe, modern, fair, and a lawful of immigration.
we will enact trade deals that ensure more products are proudly stamped with those four beautiful words, made in americ america. or, made in america. you can use either one. made in america, made in the us usa. we will achieve new breakthroughs in science and medicine and i see what they are doing. i see it. they show me. the things we are doing in our country today, they have never happened before it. we will be ending the aids epidemic shortly in america and curing childhood cancer very shortly. [cheers and applause] we will defund parentheses, free-speech, religious liberty,
and of the right to keep and bear arms. [cheers and applause] and just remember, with the democrats, there is no second amendment. you can forget about keep and bear arms. you can forget it. above all, we will never stop fighting for the values that bind us together as one america. we will never, ever stop fighting. we support, protect, and defend the constitution of the united states. [cheers and applause] we stand with our incredible hearers of law enforcement.
[cheers and applause] we believe in the dignity of work and we believe in the sanctity of life. [cheers and applause] and we believe that faith and family, nongovernment and bureaucracy, are the true american way. we believe that children should be taught to love our country, honor our history, and always be proud patriotic americans. [cheers and applause] and we will always live by the world's of our national motto, in god we trust. [cheers and applause]
two days ago, i spoke at the 400th anniversary of the first representative legislative assembly and jamestown virginia was beautiful. it was incredible. i was, i must tell you, i was reminded of so many great things in our country. we have been blessed with such remarkable and priceless heritage. we are the greatest republic on the face of the earth and we are going to keep it that way. [cheers and applause] every day of my presidency, we will never forget that we are americans and the future belongs to us. the future belongs to all of you, the future belongs to the greatest movement in the history of our country.
[cheers and applause] and with your help and your devotion, and your drive, we are going to keep on working. we are going to keep on fighting and we are going to keep on winning, winning, winning. [cheers and applause] we are one people and one family saluting one great american fla flag. [cheers and applause] we all share the same home. we all share the same hearts. we all share the same love of almighty god. [cheers and applause] together, with the great and proud people of ohio, we are making america wealthy again. we are making america strong
again. we making america safe again. we are making america great again and with your vote, and 2020, we will keep america great. thank you, ohio. thank you. [cheers and applause] >> tucker: i was the president speaking in ohio tonight, going out on his signature song. you can always get what you want by the rolling stones. a short time ago, the president went after one candidate particularly hard from last night. watch this. >> they would love to see a guy like sleepy joe biden who has no clue what the hell he is doing. they would say to sleepy joe, sir, just sign right there. oh, okay. i will sign.
>> tucker: two nights in a row of debates on cnn. last night, remarkably, after two years of russia obsession, russia and robert mueller were not even mentioned. instead you saw john lamont asking questions about the rep the president being a racist grade i was the first night it was the second night any better than the first? here's a hint, no. >> why are you the best candidate to heal the racial divide that exists in this country today that has been stoked by the president's racist rhetoric? after the president's racist tweets attacking baltimore ends elijah cummings, the mayor of baltimore such as president, help us. send the resources that we need to rebuild america. so what would you do for baltimore and other cities that need help? >> tucker: chris plante, the host of the chris plante show, he is back again tonight to assess his former employer, cnn. chris plante joins us.
if so, there was don lamont out there. the president's racist! both questions were pretax to calling the president a racist route he gets a childish thrill from that. is that a legitimate question? >> no. this whole thing is a love fest. we've got jake tapper on there was a former democratic hill staffer. he worked for the former democratic who married chelsea hilton. now on msnbc, and of course, there is don lemon. there are no hardball questions. there were no god check questions. there are no track questions. they are all going to see each other on a hot tin roof on martha's vineyard. it's august, they are going on vacation together in a couple weeks. their kids play together, they go to school together, it's corrupt. the system is corrupt, what can i tell you? you know perfectly well that it is. we all know perfectly well that it is and it's not really even a political debate. it's a television show.
and cnn is part of the democratic party's apparatus. that's that. >> tucker: that is that. and when you say hades this kind of loose conspiracy of personal affiliation, you are saying that because you've seen it. >> oh, yeah. i've seen it firsthand. i know people that work there still and look, i can watch and i know how to read what they are doing and i know most of these people. they are not terrible people but they are democrats and the team is the team. it's a team effort. if you don't know that, you haven't been paying attention. >> tucker: that's right and you are not seeing it through the correct one. that's exactly right. great to have you tonight. the former fbi director leaked classified memos in an effort to stoke the bogus russia investigation pair that is a crime to reports today indicate he will not be prosecuted for that crime. mark penn is a former advisor to bill and hillary clinton. he joins us tonight. mark, thanks for coming on.
roger stone is facing the likelihood of life and president for being accused of lying it during the course of the investigation peered what should he think when he sees jim comey get a pass on committing a much more profound crime? >> even by itself, the roger stone prosecution was the most egregious trying to trip him up at the last minute or to find something on him when they couldn't find anything in his personal life and arrest him with guns and cnn ablaze here if you look, i think now, they have discovered that, you probably committed crimes but we are not going to prosecute him. so we just going to get a slap on the wrist. that's was to happen here. >> tucker: how disparaging is that? does this make you as sad and cynical as it makes me about our justice system? >> we are not having any accountability for an investigation that was clearly a partisan investigation i didn't
have a real basis which tied up the country for two years. but, you just saw that debate and there wasn't a single question or answer suggesting there was a trump rush russia conspiracy. that whole thing was gone. right? after two full years, we know it was a fake investigation. a partisan one. is anyone going to be held accountable? that's the question on people's minds now. >> tucker: yeah. in ten seconds, the answer is, what you think? is someone going to be held accountable? >> i'm dubious but hopeful because there's a lot left to investigate. >> tucker: you. there's an awful lot left to investigate. mike pence, thank you so much. unbelievable amount of news tonight. and so much in time we didn't have time to finish final exam could have no fear, final exam will appear tomorrow night. a day late, but even better. it's like wine, a little better with age. you will enjoy it more of it as it for us tonight.
deal with the messaging on the ukraine, on all the scandals going on. >> harris: josh kraushaar, political editor for the national journal. great to have you. thank you very much. i am harris. here is dana. >> dana: president trump said to speak any moment as the fight over impeachment hits a new level. hello, everyone. i'm dana perino and this is "the daily briefing." president trump is about to hold a joint news conference with the president of finland but the big focus right now obviously, impeachment. the president attacking what he's calling the do-nothing democrats, accusing them of wasting time and not focusing on other issues. president trump also going after the whistle-blower who reported on his july call with the ukrainian president. >> they come up with this impeachment nonsense and everyone knows. all based on one phone call that
i had. there was no quid pro quo. the whistle-blower was so dishonest. the whistle-blower said terrible things about the call, but i then found out he was secondhand and thirdhand. these are bad people. these are dishonest people. when the american people find out what happened, it's going to be a great day. >> dana: all of that after house democrats threaten to subpoena the white house for documents on the president's dealings with ukraine. they say the white house has left them no choice. democrats also accusing the president of trying to intimidate the whistle-blower and other potential witnesses. they also say he's trying to change the focus. >> let's not make any mistake here. the president wants to make this all about the whistle-blower. people that come forward with evidence of his wrongdoing, are somehow treasonous. and should be treated as traitors and spies. this is a blatant effort to intimidate witnesses. >> dana: will have complete coverage this hour and as we wait for the president, let's
begin. chief white house correspondent john roberts in the east room. we heard a lot from the president but this is a formal press conference where they are sure to be more. >> number of times president trump has done this. he goes into the oval office with a leader, in this case the finish president sauli niinisto then takes more questions. sometimes during the press conferences, fewer questions than they took in the oval office but there's no question, data, that the president really is hot under the collar about this whistle-blower and despite the fact that his own acting director of national intelligence, joe maguire, believes that the inspector general of the intelligence community's acting properly by protecting the identity of the whistle-blower. president trump wants to know who he is or she is. also wants to know who gave that person the information, saying that what was included in the transcript of the telephone call was completely different than what the whistle-blower wrote in their complaint. the president wondering if the person is a whistle-blower at all or simply a leaker. listen to what he said in the oval office a short time ago.
>> the whistle-blower wrote not that conversation. he wrote a vicious conversation. in other words, he either got it totally wrong and made it up or the person giving the information to the whistle-blower was dishonest and this country has to find out who that person was. that person is a spy. >> in the oval office with the finish president, the president saying that never in a million years did anyone think you would actually release the transcript of that telephone call when you remember, dana, after the transcript came out, then many democrats it said it reinforced their worst fears about what the president spoke with volodymyr zelensky about. president trump ten choice words for house intelligence committee chairman adam shift after schiff after the opening statement wite director joe maguire basically giving his own interpretation of what the whistle-blower complaint said really adding his
own adam schiff embellishment. here's the criticism the president had for him today. >> he should be forced to resign from congress, adam schiff. he's a lowlife. he should be forced to resign. he took that conversation which was perfect, he said i can't read this. so he made up a conversation and he reported it and set it to congress and to the american people. it was more about he said. and that was supposed to be coming from me. but it was all fabricated. he should resign from office in disgrace and frankly they should look at him for treason. >> president trump also ripping schiff for criticizing secretary of state mike pompeo because pompeii was on the call was latimer zalewski. democrats in congress calling him a fact witness in the very fact that pompeo, i don't want to say he's stonewalling but slow walking the idea to get people to congress for depositions. democrats are saying because
he's a fact witness, anything he does to try to slow walk access to congress to members of the state department would be seen as obstruction of congress and in intimidating witnesses. the president saying to schiff, how can he criticize somebody like my pompeo, first of his class at west point. the president going so far as to say that adam schiff could not hold pompeo's blank-strap. >> dana: i'm going to try to figure out what that is during the commercial break. >> i don't think you have to try too hard. >> dana: the white house is no stranger to subpoenas from congress for documents or information or witness testimony. they haven't always complied. why would that be different this time? >> well, i don't think it will be different. that's one of the questions that you want to ask the president. during the mueller investigation, the president was really bragging on the idea that the white house was being
completely transparent and cooperative and document production and making people available for interviews with mueller's team. don't forget that was an intraexecutive branch investigation. this crosses branches. it's an article one investigation of an article to a branch. the president might not be so inclined to cooperate as he did during the mueller investigation but certainly a line of inquiry we will pursue this afternoon when the president and the president show up. >> dana: looks like they are going to be there any moment. let's bring in martha maccallum, anchor of "the story" and juan williams, cohost of "the five." we await the president and the finnish prime minister. it's easy for the foreign leader there with a president dealing with a domestic issue. they have issues or talk about. chinese telecoms, huawei, the arctic. but this story really is sucking up all the oxygen. >> martha: i kind of felt sorry for him in the prior appearance, the president of finland sitting next to the
president as he gets a barrage of questions. at one point the president turned to him and said i guess they are not that interested in finland. i'm very interested but the reporters are not. a story that's crossing now from "the new york times" moments ago, it says the whistle-blower originally given early version of his complaint to a house aid to adam schiff. this cia officer wanted to pass along this information to this congressional aide who is with adam schiff, that they didn't see the actual full transcript or his notes or complaint. according to this report, they advised him to go through the process and fill out a form and make his whistle-blower complaint, go through the formal process. nonetheless, this is going to raise questions obviously. it's interesting that nancy pelosi in her "60 minutes" interview, criticism towards her was that she went ahead with this impeachment process before she had seen the call.
during that "examines" interview, she said we had already seen it which is a little bit odd. i don't know she got her timeline messed up. it raises questions about -- >> dana: it does. thank you for checking the wire wires. joe maguire, acting director of national intelligence, when he testified in front of congress last week, he said he believed the whistle-blower and the inspector general had followed the process to the letter of the law. i don't know if that's inappropriate to talk to a house aid. maybe it's the right thing to do, then for the house aid to say you've got to go through the process. juan, any thoughts about that or the news that we had that the house democrats plan to subpoena the white house documents and officials and those of the state department. >> juan: i think what john roberts that is important here, you have a difference in terms of the nature of the investigations. previously it was, as john described, an intraagency
activity because mueller technically was appointed from the justice department. the president is in charge of the justice department. now you have the congress of the united states engaged in impeachment and it changes the way that the court system would view a subpoena. it makes it far more -- >> dana: interesting and a good point because progressive democrats would want at this process to get underway sooner were frustrated, saying we would be able to get more information quickly if nancy pelosi would go ahead and pull the trigger. now that trigger has been pulled. i think it's pretty interesting if you look at the room, the president has the bully pulpit but he also has the pageantry. you have the white house, they are in the east room. i wonder about the president focusing on something bill clinton did which helped bill clinton which was to focus on the fact that i'm just here trying to do my job for the american people. he has labeled them the do-nothing democrats. we've heard do-nothing congress
before but do-nothing democrats. if you say it enough times, he could stick? >> juan: i think it sticks with republicans, with his base. i don't see much erosion in terms of the polling but i don't because working with most people who are tremendously concerned about the nature of the phone call and the idea that he of course would be putting pressure on a foreign leader based on u.s. military aid to stop russian incursions into the ukraine. >> dana: speaker pelosi and her comment said i think -- i think she's aware being labeled the do-nothing congress doesn't help her politically either. she even says we are willing to work with the president on lowering drug prices. she brought up infrastructure. she wants to give it another go. >> martha: it's going to be interesting to see if they feel the pressure to get something done. to prove they can get something done during this process. perhaps usmca is able to get through this situation because really they democrats are going to need -- we didn't put the brakes on everything. we got some important things
done. that may ironically open a pathway to a few things, perhaps drug prices as well. >> dana: yesterday it was reported that nancy pelosi wants a narrow focus on impeachment, on this ukraine call. but chuck schumer in the senate to say no way. broaden it. make it bigger. if they are not on the same page, why does it mean in terms of democrats and unity of message? >> juan: if and pelosi clearly needs to narrow and specify the focus. you had several committee chairman who wanted jurisdiction here. i think she settled pretty much on adam schiff in the intelligence committee versus going to jerry nadler and judiciary or even finance committee, maxine water and the like. i think that's the nature of her challenge. the challenge in the senate is a little different. you heard senate majority leader mitch mcconnell said he would have no choice but to proceed with a trial if, in fact, the house goes ahead and impeach as the president. the challenge areas is the senate majority leader a republican who has been very
loyal to the president, trying to limit the scope in order to speed it through and make it seem like it was a pro forma process. schumer on the other hand wants to broaden it. it's a different arena. >> dana: martha, what about the congressional republicans who -- you have some of the president's supporters out there or defending but there's a lot they don't know. there seems to be some hesitation and letting the president take the lead as he seems happy to do or willing to do, seems like the safer bet. >> martha: you've got that situation on both sides of the equation. democrats and trump districts and on the republican side with people who might be forced to take a vote that might be more difficult for them and perhaps because of their electorate they're going to be more cautious. on the senate side, cory gardner, thom tillis, martha mcsally, susan collins all in very difficult races as they look ahead.
just one thing, if i may, going back to what you are asking about nancy pelosi's focus. i think she's focusing on the one element of the conversation that i think a lot of people agree is problematic. she doesn't want to lose focus on that because i think in the president's words when you break it down in terms of potential liability, most of the phone call was what he calls perfect but when you get to the part about joe biden and rudy giuliani's involvement in the process, i think that's the avenue for them where they see that as abuse of power with regard to the election. it's behavior that's easier to explain to people. >> martha: weeded out panel last night with a group of young people. >> dana: i loved it. >> martha: thank you. it was very eye-opening. they were bright and up on what's going on and they didn't really focus on exactly what the issue is. well, if people are unhappy they should be able to impeach the president. that's where this is going to end up. most people are not going to be able to tell you.
>> dana: as we keep reminding people, impeachment is a political decision. there is no legal definition. martha and juan, if you will stick with me, we will wait for the president trump press conference. the state department, inspector general holding an urgent meeting in this next our briefing staffers from key committees in the house and senate about ukraine. she congressional correspondent mike emanuel is live on capitol hill. if you could catch us up on that while we wait for the press conference to get underway. >> in addition to congressional correspondent the briefing, there are a number of faces that we expect who are invited to appear on capitol hill in the days ahead. let's show them to you. special envoy for ukraine kurt volker expected to give an interview to several committees. monday deputy assistant secretary of state george ken's. tuesday a counselor. thursday, ambassador gordon sumlin, american investor to the e.u. former ambassador recalled from ukraine in may expected to
appear a week from friday though it's not entirely clear how many will show up, we know secretary of state mike pompeo is fighting some of it. stay tuned. we will let you know who appears on capitol hill. speaker nancy pelosi earlier today said she's trying to be fair to the president in this impeachment inquiry process but some republicans counter that they think she's trying to be fast and not fair. >> dana: what about the threats to subpoena the white house? is that in the realm of fair? >> there you go. we expect the oversight chairman, elijah cummings, of baltimore, maryland, saying that he is prepared to subpoena the white house on friday saying "the white house's flagrant disregard of multiple voluntary request for documents combined with stark and urgent warnings from the inspector general about the gravity of these allegations have left us with no choice but to issue this subpoena." t national security republican told us he thinks it's a fishing
expedition. democrats will never be satisfied but all indications are this will be battled out in the courts. >> dana: mike emanuel, keep us updated. we will want to know more. bringing back martha maccallum and juan williams, as martha was gracious to be checking and bringing us the news, "the new york times" just reporting that apparently according to this report adam schiff, chairman of the intel committee, had seen a copy of the whistle-blower's initial complaints days before the whistle-blower filed with the cia, the actual form. the question about the whistle-blower now is at the top of everybody's mind. the president saying the identity should be revealed. democrats saying that's intimidating a witness -- a whistle-blower. this "new york times" report turns out to be true, it adds more of a wrinkle. >> martha: it raises the question of how politically motivated and it is to remind everyone, even the dni, when he
went through this process and spoke in front of congress, said there was an indication that there was a political bias on the part of the whistle-blower but that given what was in his report, he felt it was irrelevant and that they should move forward based on the content of his report. all of this is obviously going to give a republican -- republicans and supporters of the president more fuel to the fire that this is cooked up in some sense by people who are inside the white house, connected to the cia agent who was old so working there and passing it along to the whistle-blower who gives information to a house aide in adam schiff's office. >> dana: fuel for president trump supporters but with the president's comments about the whistle-blower giving fuel to the democrats? >> juan: yeah, his line which has been pretty hot. on the one hand, people sort of
marking. talking about traitors and spies and you know how things happen with treason. when you think of it seriously, you think about the president mounting a defense that amounts to "these people are out to get me. they don't like me and they don't like my supporters." and it's intended to rally his base and secure support. to get back to what martha had reported earlier and that you mentioned, "the new york times" story, i think the idea to keep in mind here is that adam schiff is head of intelligence in the house and so one of his aides would be someone who might be in touch with the intelligence community and intelligence actors. >> dana: it's curious to me. i worked at the justice department. i never had a reason to be a whistle-blower or anything but you go through the training or you get your initiation, your they are. you're told that if you have a problem, then you go to the inspector general. there's a process to do it. to me it's a little bit curious and i don't know why the
whistle-blower may not have gone directly to the inspector general. maybe they are friends or neighbors or something. it's washington, d.c. that's curious. the other thing is president trump brought up a couple times, the whistle-blower says this is secondhand information so the president has focused in on who is telling the whistle-blower this information and to me that person could arguably still be working in the situation room or the white house. i imagine it's a tense atmosphere there. >> martha: think about the prior phone calls released in the beginning of the administration, the australian president and one author whose calls were released during those early stages. it's a white house that has been on tenterhooks about leaks. that's the reason they say they've been putting some of these conversations into this more secure environment. it's absolutely true that that person could still be there, as you say, dana. concerned about this and for whatever reason --
>> juan: didn't they say there were multiple people who spoke with the whistle-blower so there's multiple people. >> dana: that was one of the reasons the dni in the inspector general said this looks like something they should push forward. i wonder about it. you need everybody to be focused on the security of the country and not worried about other concerns. we are waiting for the president to come out with the president of finland. they will be having -- they had a great meeting in the oval office and the president took a lot of questions. they have a lot of issues talk about foreign policywise. we are waiting for them. they're going to be here any moment and we are going to pause for one moment to let our fox stations join us. i'm dana perino in new york. president trump is about to hold a joint news conference with the president of finland that the big issue right now is still impeachment as democrats continue to plow ahead with their investigations of president trump's july phone call with the president of
ukraine. the president a short time ago telling reporters there was nothing wrong with the call. he blasted the whistle-blower who reported it and democrats for going forward on impeachment. earlier today democrats threatened to subpoena the white house for records of the call. house intelligence committee chairman adam schiff said democrats were "not fooling around." house speaker nancy pelosi called drums after the assault on the constitution. will bring in martha maccallum and juan williams of the fox news channel to help to figure all this out. the meeting the president is having today, when world leaders come to the white house, it's always an important meeting. in this case, they were certainly talking about 5g and the concerns about china aggression and technology. also about the arctic circle. we can expect that the president might make a little bit of news on that but the american press, we know them well. they're going to ask about impeachment and the president is already fired up about it today. >> martha: dana, you know
better than anyone that perhaps the delay here is preparation for this and the communications discussions about how many questions that are going to take, on which side, to try to give the president of finland a little bit of breathing room so he can also answer questions relevant to some of the issues that you bring up but that the president is so incensed about what is going on. i think we have not seen him as fired up as he is now. tweet storms coming out pretty much every few minutes on this story. using the b.s. word spelled out as he has done before, we should point out come in his response to what's going on this morning. this is an extraordinarily hot situation right now and it's not looking like it's going to cool down anytime soon with these subpoenas flying around. >> dana: juan, you have been a reporter in a room like that. what's the strategy amongst the white house press corps? i know they talk a little bit amongst each other. what are the questions that we want to get asked. you can have a ruger border that
screws everything off. >> juan: the thing is and this is the question for dana perino. i think the relationship with the white house press office is very important here in traditionally in situations that i've been in, there's been conversations about not only were a red dress like dana has honked to get the president's attention but let's try to figure out, here's where the press office -- >> dana: what are the questions today that they would really want how is the president planning to respond to the subpoena. >> juan: i don't think this white house communications team has the same relationship team with the mainstream media reporters that previous administrations had. when it comes to the questions, i think the number one news topic of the day would be the subpoenas. how the white house intends to deal with it and how if, in fact, the congress presses ahead that this white house feels they would be on strong ground going to the courts to say this is an
overreach and an abuse of congressional responsibility and oversight. the second area i think is the president himself talking to the president about going after the whistle-blower, that if you have a whistle-blower statute as was approved by this congress and the congress says we will protect that person's identity so as not to provide a disincentive for future whistle-blowers, how does the president understand? >> dana: i want to bring in ron fournier. former washington bureau chief at the associated press. he covered the clinton impeachment in the 1990s and broke the story that clinton would admit to the grand jury that had been lying all along. good to have you here. when you broke that story, there wasn't social media, there wasn't a 24/7 news cycle per se although it was getting going. what did you learn back then the reporters might think about today? >> when i was sitting in the front seat they are of the
white house, i always tried to think what is the simplest question i can ask and not try to be too complicated. for example, i was the one who asked president bush, do you trust this man, pointing to putin? bush was kind of flabbergasted by such a simple question. >> the president of the united states. >> dana: i will hold you there there. thank you. president trump and president sauli niinisto, marking 100 years of diplomatic relations between our two countries. let's listen in. >> president trump: look at all the press you attract. do you believe it? >> they are not after me. [laughter] >> president trump: i hope not. you're lucky. thank you very much. today is my honor to welcome president niinisto of finland to the white house and mr. president, it's wonderful to
host you once again in washington. we've got to know each other over the last period of time then it's been a great experience. the president and i have just concluded very productive discussions on a number of exciting opportunities for our two nations. before going further, i want to express our deep condolences over the horrific stabbing attack that took place yesterday at a college in finland. america is praying for the victims and their families and we send our unwavering love and support. the american unfinished people are linked by an abiding commitment to self-government, individual rights, democracy and the rule of law. this past may, our countries celebrated the 100th anniversary of america's recognition of the independent nation of finland in 1919. as president wilson wrote at the time "our recognition was prompted by the sympathies for a cost similar to that which
caused our own declaration of independence in 1776." a century after we established diplomatic relations, the united states and finland remained united by those same cherished values. central to this effort as our nations close cooperation on matters of security and defense, although finland is not a member of nato. save a lot of money. finland participates in many nato missions and exercises and i'm pleased that finland is substantially increasing its military budget. america and finland are also working together to advance stability, freedom of navigation and respect for national sovereignty and the arctic. both of our nations are committed to a secure arctic region free from external intrusion, interference, and coercion. simply put, we believe that the affairs of the arctic should be governed by the actual nations
of the arctic, and as you know, there are other people coming into the arctic and we don't like it. we can't let it happen. we won't let it happen. the united states and finland are likewise partnering to ensure the security of 5g networks. it is critical that we use safe and trustworthy technology providers, components, and supply chains. we welcome the establishment of the innovation center in finlan finland. they've done a fantastic job with that. this innovation center will greatly expand american and finnish businesses and cooperation in 5g. we are also glad that the finnish company, nokia, great company, global leader in 5g technology, developing its cutting edge products right here in the united states at bell labs in new jersey. of course united states foreign direct investment from finland
totals over $10 billion. each year, finnish-owned companies invest more than $120 million in research and development in america and expand our exports by more than $1 billion. just today, finnish tires opened a new manufacturing plant in dayton, tennessee. a $360 million investment that's creating hundreds of brand-new beautiful jobs for a great state, tennessee. we love tennessee. they made a wise choice. you never lose when you go to tennessee. i encourage other finnish companies to increase their investments in the united states. there hasn't been ever been a better time to do business in america. we have passed the largest tax cuts and reform and also regulation cuts in the history of our country. we slashed business tax and we are fueling job growth through our record-setting campaign to
abolish all of those really terrible, unnecessary regulations. we have plenty of regulations but many of them we didn't need. we got rid of them. the american economy is booming. wages are rising. incomes are soaring, and unemployment has hit its lowest level in more than half a century. we want finnish companies to join in america's extruder economic revival. so many countries are coming in, it's a hot place. we have the hottest economy of the world and it's the hot place to be. they'll want to be here. the president and i are also working on a way to improve international trade based on the principle of fairness and my favorite word, reciprocity. i hope that finland which now holds the rotating presidency of the e.u. council will support our efforts to achieve a mutually beneficial agreement with the european union. we are going to have to start doing something with the
european union because they have not been treating this country right for many, many years and i tell them and they know it and they know it. america's trade deficit with the e.u. has been averaging $160 billion a year for many, many years. achieving more balance and robust trade flows would greatly benefit both finland and the united states. we also appreciate finland's strong partnership in combating predatory trade practices worldwide including the theft of intellectual property. from trade to security, from travel to commerce, we are immensely grateful for close and deeply valued french with the people of finland. great people. we are working on a deal to sell a large number of airplanes, fighter jets hopefully, to finland. see how that works out. we make the greatest jets in the world. we make the greatest missiles had military equipment anywhere in the world. nobody's even close. mr. president, i want to thank you for visiting the white house. the history of our two nations
is a profound testament to our resolve. i look forward to continuing to work alongside of you. as we safeguard our precious sovereignty and build a future of hope, harmony, and peace for the american and finnish people. thank you very much for being with us at the white house and the oval office. we had a very special number of hours. appreciate it very much. thank you, sir. >> thank you, mr. president. first of all, i will live through your -- deliver your yor condolences to the finnish people. before meeting, i had some spare time so i visited a couple museums here. museum of american history, museum of african history and
museum of american indian history. in addition to that, i had a possibility of attending a ceremony in arlington. mr. president , you have here great democracy. keep it going on. we had a very good discussion with the president, like you mentioned. our diplomatic relations are 10. during that time, we have developed our cooperation not only in official meetings like this but american and finnish people, scientists for example, meet each other, cooperating, working together. we have quite a lot of cooperation and security sector also, in defense.
because i think we share the feeling that the most important thing for the nation is to guarantee security to its citizens. that is the starting point for finland also, this cooperation. i wanted to take up with the president the importance of transatlantic cooperation. well, we all know europe needs usa. but i say that usa needs also europe. we know the price of everything. we should recognize also the value of everything. we share the same values, democracy, human rights. in that we are very similar.
europe has, in a way, awakened during the couple last years to understand also more about the security point of view. i just wanted tell you that in my opinion, the stronger europe we have, the stronger partner you have. the arctic area, you know finland is very north, is becoming more and more interesting, like the president said. we both come alongside with six countries from the arctic council. we are working heavily. there are surely possibilities, like the maritime roots are being opened. maybe there are also resources. but there are huge risks.
one of them is that we should keep the low tension we are used to having there. that is what we have been discussing. i do appreciate the president's position to emphasize that it's not a place for military. but an even greater challenge is the environment and a very glad that we have started to talk two years ago in this very house about black hole. it's not maybe the worst which causes climate problems but everybody can understand that the black comes down in ice and snow. when the sun meets it, it melts down. melting of sea ice in arctic is
very crucial. i used to say that if we lose the arctic, we lose the globe. we have a couple of words that are very important on arms control. some of us remember the first years of the cold war in the 1960s. there was no agreement at all, just cold war. we can't let the situation return no agreement at all about arms control. that's why it's important to try to negotiate new agreements and continue the new start agreement. that will be of good new start for international cooperation. you referred to 5g.
the issues as a whole, we are very proud to have the excellence of -- center of excellence in helsinki. usa has been very helpful in that. very many countries are working there together to fight against the future nature of hybrid warfare. when it comes to providers in that area, i'm not very willing to point out any country or company. we are maybe a bit late from usa making the risk assessment. it will be prepared in one or two weeks' time. after that, we are in a place
that we have to choose the tools to perfect us. mr. president, i want to thank you very much for having a possibility of meeting you here. it's very valuable. i found the discussions very open, very interesting. thank you, sir. >> president trump: before we take questions, something happened that's been going on for many decades and we came to a conclusion. can i ask ambassador pence to explain the importance of what just took place. it's been going on for many, many years. this is ambassador pence, no relationship to our great vice president. hard to believe. nobody believes that but it's true. >> i have been in produced as his father, cousin, brother,
uncle. we are friends. good afternoon. when i arrived in helsinki about a year and half ago, there was a stack of papers on the desk. one of which concerned indigenous peoples from the southwestern united states, arizona, colorado. i refer to them generically as hopi indians. they were one of a group. in 1895, a lot of their remains had been excavated and removed along with 500 artifacts to finland. there they have remained despite a lot of activity to get them back. i will jump to the end and say due to the good offices of our state department and in particular president niinisto and his entire team, we have secured a mutual agreement whereby all of those remains
including a number of petrified bodies will be going back to be put back where they were buried. it's special to us. i think it's probably special to indigenous peoples everywhere around the globe, that we are all concerned about paying appropriate respect to those who have departed before us. thank you, thanks to both presidents for supporting it. >> president trump: thank you. that's a good job. that's been going on for many, many decades. so i just want to thank you. john roberts. >> mr. president, thank you. president niinisto. if i could, i have two questions to ask. maybe i could ask them separately to get a fresh answer
from each one. the three house intelligence cs looking into the impeachment inquiry gave notice that they will be sending a subpoena to the white house for documents and other materials. will you cooperate with them subpoenas? >> president trump: i always cooperate. this is a hoax, the greatest hoax. it's a continuation of what's been playing out, john, for the last -- since my election i would say. probably will find out soon but probably even before my election. this is a fraudulent crime on the american people. we will work together with shifty schiff on pelosi and all of them and we'll see what happens because we did absolutely -- i had a great call with the president of ukraine. 100%. you have the transcript. and then schiff went up as the chairman of the committee and related a call they didn't take place. he made up that language. hard to believe. nobody's ever seen this. i think he had some kind of a mental breakdown. but he went up to the microphone
and he read a statement from the president of the united states as if i were on the call, because what happened is when he looked at the sheet which was an exact transcript of my call done by very talented people that do this, exact, word for word. he said wow. he didn't do anything wrong. so he made it up. he went up to a microphone and in front of the american people and in congress he went out and he gave a whole presentation of words that the president of the united states never said. it has to be a criminal act. it has to be. he should resign. some people even say it was treason. but it was a very sad thing. just so you know, the call was perfect. the real call, the call i made. many people were on the line. i knew that because usually when i speak to foreign country leaders, you can name any one of them, but when i speak on the phone that i know that we have many people listening from various intelligence agencies.
our knowledge, i know all about it. so this isn't something like gee, i'm on the line. let's talk about a big secret. many people on the line. i don't know how many. we'll find out i guess. many people, mike pompeo was on the line. he didn't say anything. because they listen for knowledge and for security reasons and for a lot of reasons. the president of ukraine at the united nations the other day and previous to that, he announced through spokesperson, said there was absolutely no pressure put on him. there was no quid pro quo. at all. if you look at this whistle-blowers -- i have a lot of respect for whistle-blowers but only when they are real. his report of the phone call was totally different than the fact. but what got them was they never thought i was going to release the call because i don't like doing that. i hope i don't have to do it again. release phone calls to foreign dignitaries to foreign leaders. i don't want to do that, john. i don't want to do it again.
but i did it with the permission of the ukrainian government to become permission. we called up their representatives and ask them would be okay? otherwise i couldn't of done it. and if i wouldn't have done it, i would've been exposed to ally because the whistle-blower report didn't he say seven or eight times i said quid pro quo. in other words, you're going to do this or you're not going to get money. in all fairness, bite and it. he's on tape. in all fairness, you have at least four united states senators, democrats, who set it and they said it a lot stronger than even schiff and his made up story said it. obama when he was dealing with the president of russia, not putin. he said hey, hey tell vladimir i can do a lot more after the election. you remember that? everybody thought isn't that cute western monkeys that cute?
my talk and my responsibility. instagram said i never knew you were that nice. he said it loud and clear. it was perfect. it was perfect. that a thing wrong with it. to impeach a president over father was committed by other people that want to win and election in 2020 which they won't, it's incredible. this is the greatest hoax. it's gone on for a long time. we had the mueller collusion delusion, okay? that point on for years. and that's finally done. no collusion, no obstruction, no nothing. it was a joke. everyone knows it. it was from the day one. no i get three days of peace and i'm walking into the united nations, going to meet with the biggest leaders in the world, and i hear about the word impeachment. i said what did i do now? it was a doubt a beautiful
conversation that i had just remember, the ukrainian new president, fine man, said i don't know what you're talking about. there was no pressure. he cited a number of times. what's your second question? you shouldn't be asking two questions. do me a favor. ask oneesident. >> can i come back to you? >> president trump: we'll talk later. let me see if i like the question. go ahead. maybe for the first time in three years i'll have a good question and i will love it. >> there's a report that came out before you and president niinisto walked out here that the whistle-blower met with a staff member of adam schiff. >> president trump: i love that question. it shows that schiff is a fraud. thank you, john. >> can i finish asking it? >> president trump: there's nothing to finish. >> the whistle-blower accordance the report met with members of adam schiff's staff.
>> president trump: i hate to say it's "the new york times." i can't believe they wrote it. maybe they're getting better. >> your response to the fact that that happened and that schiff may have learned with the whistle-blower new? >> president trump: i think he probably helped write it. i give a lot of respect for "the new york times" for putting it out. it happened as i'm walking appear, they handed it to me and i said to mike. i said whoa, that is something. that is big stuff. he knew long before. he helped right it. it's a scam. it's a scam. to finish on it, i appreciate it, i love the second question by the way. should've asked it first. but let me say the whole thing is a scam. the mueller deal was a scam. the russian collusion was a scam. you can ask putin. nobody's been rough around russia then donald trump.
okay? with that being said, it would be great to get along with russia and we will get along with russia because it's smart. nobody spent tougher on russia. ask one please. >> you had a conversation with president trump about 5g and how the nokia, finland's big company, could fill in the space and you met with chinese president xi during the summer. you renewed the ties of friendship between the nations. do you believe countries, western countries, can put huawei equipment and their 5g cores are at risk of national security? >> thank you. like i told already, and europe, the situation as may a bit different from that here because the main company you mentioned is inside europe. what european union is now doing is making a risk assessment,
asking each country what kind of experience, what you have seen and found out. that will be in a few weeks' time and after that we have to decide together in the european union what kind of tools we need to protect ourselves. you refer to my discussions with the president xi. we didn't talk about 5g when meeting and we know that nokia is a major factor in this area. they will answer for themselves. thank you. >> president trump: picked somebody who's really nice. a really nice person. i think they're all nice and finland. >> are there finnish reporters?
>> reporter: i have one question for president trump and one question for president niinisto. mr. trump, how will this political storm affect the u.s. foreign policy especially its relationship with finland? second, for president niinisto, because it's a big issue here at the moment, have to ask what kind of favors has mr. trump asked from you? >> president trump: or the other way around, you mean. >> of favors i asked? both ways? okay. >> president trump: the political storm, i have lived with that from the day got elected. i've done more in this administration has done more than any administration in history of this country in the first two and a half years. i am used to it. for me it's like putting on a suit in the morning. people say to me how does he
handle it? rush limbaugh said i don't know of any man in america that could handle it. sean hannity said the same thing. others have said the same thing. i don't know any other man in america. because it's all a fraud. because of that and because i know i'm right and because i'm doing a great job for the american people, i'm very, very happy living the way i'm living. i thought i would finish off the first term without the threat of people making false claims. but this one turned out to be incredible. all because they didn't know that i had a transcript done by very, very talented people word for word. done by people who do it for a living. we had an exact transcript. when we produced that transcript, they died because you look at the whistle-blower statement and its vicious, vicious. the whistle-blower, there's no
question in my mind that bad things have gone on and i think we'll get to the bottom of it. i think it's going to be a total reversal. but i've lived with us. i have lived with this cloud now for almost three years, more than that. probably started even before. i think nobody has done what i've done when you look at tax cuts and regulation cuts and rebuilding our military and right to try, right to try. that means people that are terminally ill and very sick, the right to use our medicines, are great medicines, because we're so far ahead of every other country. so many things that we don't. our vets are taking care of. we have choice. nobody thought we could ever get a choice. that's when you have to wait on line as a vet. you go outside, you get a doctor and we pay the bill. you not to wait for three weeks to see a doctor if your event. we cherish our vets. at least this administration does. for many years they didn't. i take care of the vets. no administration has done and
i've lived with that from the dan got elected. so i'm fine with it. >> we had conversation and discussion on an equal basis which i really appreciate. i had one request specifically. i wanted the president to take more notice, transatlantic relations. i consider it's useful both for usa and europe. we were discussing trading. i told the president was that what we are doing will be finished in two years' time. and we have five candidates. three from europe and two from united states.
he answered that ours is best. >> reporter: thank you. mr. president, i would like to ask about your use of the word treason. you've used it repeatedly in the last few days. do you consider anyone who opposes you treasonous? >> president trump: no, i consider when they live. when they stand before our great body and our great chamber and they make up a story that's fiction, like schiff did. he took that perfect conversation i had with the ukrainian president and he made it into a total lie. it was a total fabrication. you do admit that. it was a total fabrication. he said this is what -- and the only ones that don't like my conversations are the ones that never read it but they heard shifty schiff. that's what i call a lie and because of the fact that he is lying about the president of the
united states as to what the president says. believe it or not, i watch my words very carefully. there are those who think i'm a very stable genius, okay? i watch my words very, very closely and to have somebody get up and totally fabricated conversation that i had with another leader and make it sound so bad, it was so evil. now i see this that just out minutes ago where he met at a time that was impossible to have done unless there is corruption involved. just so you know, we've been investigating on a personal basis through rudy and others, lawyers, corruption in the 2016 election. we've been investigating corruption because i probably will. i was going to definitely but i probably will be bringing a lot of litigation against a lot of people having to do with the corrupt investigation having to do with the 2016 election.
i have every right to do that. the way they have treated me and other people, they have destroyed people, they have destroyed their lives with a phony charge that never existed and that was collusion, never existed. and you had 18 people who hated donald trump and you have bob mueller who hated donald trump and in the end that, they couldn't find one damn thing about donald trump having to do with collusion. this after two years and spending $42 million. i have been looking at that long and hard for a long period of time. how it started, why it started. it should never happen to another president ever. i've been talking about it from the standpoint of bringing a major lawsuit and i've been talking about it for long time. we've been investigating the corruption having to do with what they did to my people.
they destroyed many people. they came down to washington to do a great job and they left home. they left washington dark. they were dark. they came down here. i say bright eyed and bushytailed. they wanted to do a great job for the people. they wanted to do a great job. we won the election. then they get served with subpoenas, all the subpoenas. look at nancy pelosi. nancy pelosi hands out subpoenas -- she has to approve it. she hands out subpoenas like their cookies. you want to subpoena? here you go. take them. like they are cookies. ryan wouldn't give anyone a subpoena. mark meadows, jim jordan, devin nunes. i'm not saying wrong or right. but paul ryan, no, let's talk about it. that's a big thing to give a subpoena. let's talk about it. two weeks later they are still talking. they want subpoenas to investigate the corrupt democrats in the corrupt people on the other side. paul ryan would not give
subpoenas. nancy pelosi come here you go, take it. who wants a subpoena? every day you get subpoenas. paul ryan was actually right probably. because they should never, ever allow thing like this to happen to our country again. thank you very much. >> reporter: can you make clear right here what do you or what did you want president zelensky to do with regard to joe and hunter biden? >> president trump: you look at what he said. he brought it up. i think he brought up the name rudy giuliani. what i want is the following and i have said this loud and clear. we have our investors here. we have mike pence here. why are we the only ones they give the big money to the ukraine? we give money to ukraine and it's bothered me from day one and you have plenty of people here. i say how come it's so easy. united states gets ripped.