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going on here. the president tweeted over the weekend he's willing to shut down the government if he doesn't get the money for the wall and some big-time immigration reforms. in the process, he may force republican leaders, that's his own party, and candidates into a fight they don't want to have, particularly with these midterm looming. but we know it is an issue that has been at the top of the president's agenda since he launched his campaign. something he made clear again during his weekly address. >> we must enforce the rules against visa fraud, illegal overstay, illegal entry and other immigration violations and crimes, and crimes they are, believe me, crimes they are. >> the president is calling for several things. he wants at least billions more in funding for a border wall. he wants to end the policy of catch and release, which lets asylum seekers live in the united states until their cases are heard. and he wants to change the legal immigration system, ending the
of the zero tolerance policy trump put in place, then signed an executive order ending separating children from their parents? and, remember, those kids still around back with their moms and dads. and white female college educated voters, especially those in swing states, they care about this issue. >> you're right, stef. the short answer it, it doesn't help them at all. the frustration with the hard line approach on immigration is felt strongest among house republicans who hail from diverse districts. you've got mainstream establishment republicans trying to keep their midterm strategy focused on the economy and falling unemployment. but president trump clearly intends to make divisive issues like immigration a key focus going into campaign season. i'm told he thinks attacks on undocumented immigrants worked for him politically in his 2016 presidential campaign. you've got some of the president's advisers telling him he needs to live up to what he promised on this issue of immigration. but there's no denying this shutdown threat puts the
president on a collision course not just with democrats but senior republicans, members of his own party. for one thing, a shutdown over the wall would make the third government funding lapse on republican's watch. and just last week, as we just saw, you got house speaker paul ryan and majority leader mitch mcconnell here at the white house meeting with the president on this issue. i'm told by two republican sources ryan and mcconnell walked away thinking they were on the same page with the president. that the wall funding could and more to the point should be settled after the midterm elections. so republican leaders don't want to be blamed for shutting down the government, potentially costing them votes during the year in which the party risks not only control of the house but they're also defending a narrow majority in the senate. so that said, whether the president is serious or not about this threat, we certainly should expect him to revisit it and this sort of view of what's good for immigrants is somehow bad for the country, stef. >> while the president may
govern via news cycle, mitch mcconnell knows history and he knows when a shutdown happens on your watch, if you are the political party in power, it hurts your team. i want to bring my panel in. phil rutger, he is the white house bureau chief for "the washington post." i want to bring in mark thompson of sirius xm. president trump's base, they're not leaving him no matter what. his hard-line stance on immigration, it worked for them. he needs more than his base to help in these midterms. why push this agenda? >> it's pretty astonishing. joe gailer once said in a campaign you get time, money and ideas. we can count the number of days until election. it's 99. what the republicans wanted to do and mcconnell and ryan, is let's focus on the things we have accomplished. they got a tax cut. you got 4.1% growth.
some say it's fake growth. >> hold on, no one is saying it's fake growth. >> i would say it's kind of fake growth. >> listen, you could say that the growth was goosed by extraordinary emergency exports -- >> soybeans. >> by soybeans, fiscal policy. where people are taking issue is don jr. and other trump supporters straight-up lying saying president obama never delivered more than 4% growth. he absolutely did on individual quarters. >> there's no turnaround. turnaround would suggest it was going down and now it's going up but it's been going up, up, up. look, that's par for the course. i didn't think it was worth mentioning at this point. you want to spend every day, 99 days, taking about the successes of why people should continue to keep the republicans in charge in the house and senate. so let's go out and talk about growth. we had this big day yesterday. 4.1%. >> that's a win. >> that's a huge win. what does trump do? let's just blow it up. let's now talk about immigration. which the republicans are not in
unison on. and in the end, look, donald trump's not going to shut down the government. i just don't believe that's going to happen. so it's really just facial utterance on his point again. >> what is he doing? he appears to make a deal with mitch mcconnell and paul ryan and then he blows it up. is this just all donald trump's distraction machine. having us not pay attention to robert mueller and michael cohen. what's he doing? >> well, i think it's the sort of classic trump negotiating tactics. which is that he's going to sort of tee something over here in the form of a government shutdown. and as has happened before in this presidency, he doesn't follow through with it at the end. so i think he's trying to lay out a marker. trying to demand he get the wall funding and other immigration measures he cares about but i'm sure he'll back away from it at some point as the negotiations get more serious closer to the funding deadline and the political risk for him is really great here.
i was on the plane with him yesterday coming back from bedminster and shouted a few questions at him about that shutdown and he was unwilling to come forward and explain what he meant in that tweet. but i think it's something he's going to have to grapple with in the days to come. >> now that he's been in office for 18 months, he's going to have to explain his positions. not just create brilliant campaign logos that worked for him in 2016. i want to share how republicans are framing what this fight is going to be in the midterms. take a look. >> they want open borders and crimes, okay. we want strong borders and we want no crime. other than that, we're very similar. >> the position between our two parties could not be starker. we are funding the wall. we are for securing the border. the democrats are for abolishing i.c.e. it's the craziest thing i've ever seen. >> paul ryan, that is not the craziest thing you have ever seen. how do democrats respond to that? >> well, you know, i think that
that actually helps us. if he's going to threaten to shut down the government and push this wall when many voters know that arguing about crime, the allegation of crime, is just simply not true. that only helps us. i hope he does grow through with it. i hope he does shut down the government of just before the midterms. now, obviously, the speculation is, he won't really do it. we know he's playing to that base. but this is not someone who does math very well. he didn't do well in his own business. i don't know if he fully realizes. because we found out just the other day right now, 26% of the american public actually self-identified as republicans. he can play to that base all he wants to. the problem, an even smaller number of that is a part of bill shine's constituency, fox news, what he's reaching out to as well.
i hope he does go through with shutting down the government. >> phillip, then, what is the white house's strategy? do they have a coherrant strategy around the midterms beyond the president saying he's going to campaign six and seven days a week? i referenced it earlier. the president is a superb salesman. better than president obama was. when you look at all, for example, the economic wins that took place on obama's watch, he was a very humble guy who didn't sell them, didn't articulate them. and president trump overstates them and lies about them all the time. when he goes out on the campaign trail now, people will be able to say you want to do x, y and z but you've been in office for 18 months. i how were you going to execute that strategy? won't that be a challenge for him? >> it could be a challenge, stef. the white house strategy is very focused on turning out the trump base. trump voters, particularly in some of those competitive senate races in states that he carried, the red states where democrats are facing strong re-election
challenges. north dakota, montana, west virginia, to name three of them. but it's much more complicated when you look at the house map. so many of these competitive house districts right now are in suburbs, in areas where there's not a particularly strong trump base of supporters and he's going -- the republican candidates running there are going to have to appeal to some of these suburban women in particular and other voters who have real qualms with this president's leadership and frankly are not approving of his performance in office and that's something that's tricky and something the white house haven't figured out how to use the president. >> koch brothers came out against the president's policies. they said they'd actually consider helping democrats. if there's one thing we know that the coke brothers are, like them or not, it's effective. how big of a threat is that? because when they're turning on the president on business issues that he considers to be a win, when you look at "the new york times" piece that says
republicans on a local level are not touting the tax cuts because they know they're not working in their states, how dangerous is this? >> it is enormously dangerous. because charles and david koch and koch brothers now, because david's retired, but charles has come out and explained, you know, they're basically libertarian economic thinkers. they don't focus much on the social issues. they have a network of organizations that really educate voters about their policies and free market and charles has this really interesting idea. because as technology causes disruption of course in economies, uber's a great example of that, it causes did i rup disruption in our politics too. we're in this tumultuous time of we don't know the future of automation. wages have often been stagnant. people say because there's so much automation coming into -- >> yes. >> we're in that period. and david and charles koch have always said we always end up in a better place.
we need a leader to articulate that better place from washington. and trump represents sort of a retro view. he talks about coal and coal jobs and manufacturing. even his own real estate business is hugely disrupted by technology because people don't occupy -- >> traditional hotels. >> they can work almost anywhere all the time through little devices like your phone. so trump never represents the future. koch has always represented the future and say the future is good, we need someone to provide leadership on it, and trump is not doing that. >> if the president threatening a shutdown is good for dems, what does the democratic strategy need to be? on fox news, they're harping on the fact if you go democrat, you're going to go socialist. but if you look at what he's doing on tariffs and turning around and giving $12 billion in
aid to farmers, that smells more like socialism. >> also you have a number of republicans who smell that as well and don't like it. it's not even an ideal form of socialist, whatever that is. because that's not going to do much to help those farmers. i think all the republicans have been quoted as saying we'd rather have trade, not aid. so it may be a form of socialism. not a very effective one. i think democrats need to continue to harp on that. something else that was pointed out earlier. if mcconnell is even saying we need to postpone the wall, then he ought to think about postponing -- >> come on now, you think he's going to do that? >> here's the thing. i know he doesn't want to. that may end up helping us also. we may lose the battle but win the war. of course, we've not figured out a way to stop cavanaukavanaugh >> evangelical voters are going
to vote for trump no matter what if he keeps pushing these judges through. >> if we can show that a lot of his opinions, if we can get them all to come out, are not in the best interest of americans, that may actually help us at the tols. that's one card i think we have no choice but to play. we have nothing to lose by playing that card and i think it works. >> last point. >> i think you lose credibility. i think kavanaugh's pretty mainstream. there's no opinions we've seen so far that really seems that he's radical. >> he's opposed to roe. he supports -- semiautomatic weapons, if not automatic weapons being represented in the second amendment. he doesn't believe a president should be contradicted. >> and people are going to have legitimate disagreements about that. i think the judge thing is over. i think that's lost. i think the democrats would be better to focus on their
economic message of the future where trump, as i pointed out earlier, these protectional policies are going to hurt trump. we need real farmers, not fake farmers. >> the question is, do they actually help voters. thank you all so much. i appreciate it. coming up, president trump escalates his a ta s his attack mull mueller, accusing him of having conflicts of interest. his lawyer trying to explain that except he didn't. while unleashing his own attack. this time, against the president's former fixer michael cohen. first, we're talking supreme court. just moments ago. this woman, supreme court justice ruth bader ginsburg says she ain't going anywhere, not any time soon. the 85-year-old justice said she thinks she has at least five more years on the high court. if you've seen her work out, you might agree with that. that comes as the president's supreme court nominee brett
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fbi one day before his appointment as sc. and comey is his close friend. also, why is mueller only appointing angry dems, some of whom have worked for crooked hillary, others, including himself, have worked for obama. i have to point out, robert mueller worked for democrats and republicans. the president is telling a lie when he says it's 12 angry democrats working for robert mueller. in the last hour, president trump's lawyer rudy giuliani doubled down on those attacks without offering any more details about mueller's alleged conflicts of interest. >> what does he mean? this is quite attention grabbing. >> it's good it's attention grabbing. >> yes, but it's not good in terms of the facts. because -- >> when you're getting beaten up by all kinds of anonymous tweets. and the press is actually for the first time actually acknowledging you're not doing it and you put out something
like that, you have every right to say, okay, you explain it, mueller, stand up and be a man. >> wait a minute, this doesn't make sense. how can the president make this claim and not support it? >> he doesn't have to. >> why is it up to robert mueller? >> because he has the conflict, not the president. >> stand up and be a man. i'm going to sit down and be a woman. my takeaway from rudying collus not a crime. and suddenly that 2016 trump tower meeting that the president knew nothing about, he no longer says the president knew nothing about it, he simply says the president didn't attend it. i want to british in natasha bertrand, staff writer for the atlantic. seth waxman, partner at the law firm dickinson-wright. natasha, what do you make of what you just heard? >> it's not surprising in the least. they clearly are terrified that cohen has more recordings of the
president that will come out and, you know, the southern district of new york, which coordinates closely with bob mueller. this would be a mistake to think this is not a strategy and it's just kind of the president going off on twitter, on one of his angry tweet storms. if the president understands the power of reputation and we're close to the midterm elections. i think this is definitely a strategy to kind of consolidate his base and kind of rally them around this idea that the mueller investigation is a witch hunt, a conspiracy, because this talking point that mueller has conflicts of interests, that was put out there by the president's team in the very early days of mueller's appointment. the whole talking point, the whole idea that mueller was conflicted, that he couldn't possibly carry out this appointment credibly, was used from the very quinni inbeginnin undermine the investigation. that is not a new strategy. it is also factually inaccurate.
>> natasha, you and i both know this. we cover the white house. we speak to people in the white house. the president and his administration only use this line that robert mueller has conflicts of interest when they're speaking publicly when their base can see it. when you speak to people in the white house, do they ever give you this line? because they never give it to me. because i think they know it's straight up a lie. >> no, and that's why i say it's a strategy to rally his base around these accusations. it's all part of the show. it's all part of trying to convince his supporters that mueller was conflicted from the start. it's not something that internally they think is actually true. because they of course are trying to negotiate with mueller, potential sit-down interview. they're trying to limit the scope of what the interview would look like, so they need to kind of have, you know, at least on the inside this kind of working relationship with bob mueller's team. on the outside of course they can continue to attack him. i think it's really rich that rudy giuliani says it's mueller who has led this investigation
very, very quietly, without saying a word to the press or to anyone really, that it's on him to prove he does not have these conflicts of interest when of course it's the president who is showing he's extremely scared of what's to come. >> rick, republicans, respectable long-term republicans are standing shoulder to shoulder with mueller. does it not hurt the president when he continues to say this about mueller? >> they've shown no leadership on this. mueller hasn't said a word. he's not putting out daily press releases. >> doesn't even know what his voice sounds like. >> and giuliani's become a full trump franchise. because he gave an interview
that was incoherent. it just doesn't make -- the reason the mueller investigation is in the news every day is because of the white house and donald trump. it's not -- mueller's not causing any news. they're not releasing anything. so wait for the investigation. he says no, he can't do that because all these anonymous things. if you go back to the beginning, it's always -- this is the way it progresses. well, we didn't know about the russia meeting. well, what if we did? we didn't collude. but what if we did, so what? >> it's not a crime he says. >> it keeps getting -- it's like inches forward. and his own supporters say, well, that's not a crime. well, conspiracy is a crime. >> all right, seth, you understand crime. giuliani didn't stop there this morning. i want to share what he said about michael cohen and the tapes. >> why did you waive the attorney/client privilege? >> because i know the entire tape. for example if i didn't waive it, i wouldn't be able to tell you that he cuts it off
abruptly. which he does. right after the word "check." more likely, he came back home, he erased the portion that he wanted erased, and then he tried to tape record a conversation that appears with don jr., might have gotten that too, and then he erased that. the second conversation is clearly about another subject. it may not even -- >> what's the conversation? >> on the tape -- >> yes? >> he ends the conversation with the word "check." from the president. check. >> for the -- >> let me finish, let me finish. then about three seconds later, he hear him say don jr. he might not even be talking to don jr. he may be saying don jr. is going to come here. don jr. isn't going to come here. >> yes, so what. what does any of that have to do with the hush money -- >> he was doctoring tapes. he doctored at the word "check," he cut the tape off. >> okay, what's the legal strategy here?
and from a legal perspective, will it work? >> well, i mean, this is out of the defense manual 101 you get when we're out of law school. a guy close to the target and he's in the process of flipping so you attack his credibility. it turns out he has a tape on your client, well, it must be doctored. i always found it funny when they used to accuse me of being in bed with a cooperator, kind of sponsoring their lies. i would turn around to a jury and say, look, this wasn't my guy, you were with him for ten years. he was your fixer man. and now you blame me. i mean, when there's a criminal conspiracy, you want to learn about that conspiracy. those are bad people on the inside. they're liars. they're thieves. they're murderers. you're not going to have, you know,er teresa or the pope. when you lay down with dogs, you get fleas. i'm not quite sure which is the dog and which is the flea.
but, you know, this is kind of par for the course for defense lawyer tactics and i'm not surprised to see giuliani not so trot some of this stuff out. >> we could say he's behaving like a crazy uncle grandpa -- because there's a cbs poll out there that says 91% of strong trump supporters trust him for accurate information while only 11% trust the main stream media. >> well, it describes that group, strong trump supporters. and they are i think in all the demographics probably the greatest minority in this political discourse. what counts are those moderates, those independents. and obviously our party, the democratic party, there are more of us than there are of them. i'm not surprised about the strong trump supporters. giuliani is playing to that audience. he is an anarchist.
it's to create confusion and give them something, those strong trump supporters, something to talk about, something to hold on to. but it is pretty damning for them now to be saying first of all collusion is not a crime. are we admitting to collusion now? actually i thought this morning, now i'm wondering if ross bestein and mueller weren't ingenious to use the term collusion instead of conspiracy. any one of us who can read between the lines knows that collusion can lead to conspiracy. if they said conspiracy on the front end, we know trump would have lost his mind and tried to shut the whole thing down. so, you know, that's something that i think we ought to think about as well. but when we look at the charges, with manafort, we look at the charges with the russians, they all say conspiracy. they don't say collusion. so i think coming down the pipe, if this gets to -- i've never
heard anyone attacking a prosecutor in the way -- that's one thing you don't do. when you're under investigation, the last thing you want to do is antagonize the prosecutor. so i think giuliani's not working. i think he is doing his client in. >> well, that would be a true beast move if rosenstein and mueller had been holding back on conspiracy and only floating out their collusion. natasha, what do you make of the timing of suddenly these aggressive renewed attacks on the part of trump and giuliani? when the president could have been taking a victory lap often of friday's gdp number. >> well, that big news broke about how michael cohen apparently is willing to testify the president not only knew about but approved the trump tower meeting. and of course we also know that michael cohen has dozens, if not hundreds, more recordings, the president with reporters.
i think it really goes back to that. i think they're testified of what michael cohen could come out and say. it's really funny that they are trying not to paint michael cohen as a liar. of course months ago giuliani was sayi ing he is a credible person, that he completely flipped his perception of michael cohen. you have to ask who was michael cohen lying on behalf of? he worked for the president. i think seth made a good point. when you lie down with dogs, you're going to get fleaings. he's not going to be a perfect witness. prosecutors are not going to rely solely on his word. we have to remember he is testifying or he plans to testify that there were others in the room when the president approved of this trump tower meeting. and that meeting, you know, i think was really a turning point in this campaign. if they can prove that trump approved of it, then that's a really big deal. >> before we go, seth, can you elaborate on how credible a witness michael cohen can really be? the guy is a sleaze bag and a liar. while he may have decide a week ago i'm going to do the right
thing, is it too little, too late? >> no, not at all. he can be entirely credible if ecorroborated. if you have others that say the same thing. paul manafort flips. he says exactly what michael cohen says about those meetings. i heard giuliani state that rick gates was in one of the meetings in trump tower meeting where presumably the purpose was discussed. rick gates is already a cooperator. you match up those cooperators. you add in some e-mails. an e-mail to don jr. where he says he loves it. and you get whatever else there is corroboratewise. these phone calls to a blocked number. and mr. trump just days before the meeting saying something big's coming down the pooiike. three days after that, giuliani assange goes public and says i've got tape. it doesn't take a rhode scholar to see maybe what happened was
that the trump team and the russians decided to get this stuff out, knew they couldn't put their own fingerprints on it and released it through ric wikileaks. these are connecting the dots which aren't too tough to connect especially for someone like bob mueller. >> we have to leave it there. and now take you to california where thousands of firefighters at this moment are working around the clock to contain a massive wildfire. the carr fire which covered an area the side of the city of philadelphia has already killed six people and destroyed hundreds of homes in its path. nbc's steve patterson is there in redding, california. walk us through what's going on, what's the progress? >> stephanie, first, i want to show you the ruins of this neighborhood. another deadly ferocious fire. you would see nothing but row after row of burns to the
ground, nothing but piles of ash and twisted metal here in these neighborhoods. i would say for the first time i think we've been here all week. we have gotten some good news. the winds have really died down yesterday, sunday, allowing firefighters to push the front edge of this fire away from the city, saying really getting a handle on what's happening with the fire pushing into rural areas. that has sparked more evacuationings in thoevacuatio evacuations in those areas. really all week we've seen the number at about 5% containment. that number boosted to 17%. again, you're talking about 17% containment on a fire that's 95,000 acres in some places still burning wildly out of control. still, nothing but red flag winds. 100 degree temperatures in the forecast. so firefighters, again, have their hands full. meanwhile, what this has done this fire pushing out of this city center, has really given people a sense of what will be the true toll, the true extent
of the damage, in a place like redding. you're talking about nearly 900 structures burned to the ground. most of them homes. six dead. seven missing. those numbers talking to crew members, looking to the extent of the damage in places like this neighborhood, those numbers expected to jump. so firefighters again still dealing with the front edge of this fire. it is still burning wildly out of control. they've managed to push it outside of the city center. we're seeing the true exstetent the damage, as you can see behind me, stephanie. >> steve, thank you so much. we're sending our best to the firefighters working around the clock. the president touts the economy after strong numbers on friday and he's making a lot of claims about wages, job growth, trade and more. here's the issue. as strong as the economy is, the president's numbers do not add up. it is time for fact check. i invite you to watch don jr. might be able to help you out,
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>> the president claimed 3.5 million jobs is unthinkable. well, it's not unthinkable. because that was the pace with the last few years of the obama administration. president obama actually created more jobs in the last 18 months of his administration then trump created in the first 18 months of his term. the president then moved on to wages. >> manufacturing wages are expected to rise at the fastest rate in over 17 years. >> that sounds great. however, the only source we can find for that claim is in the transcript for president trump's speech on friday. we would love to know that source so i invite the white house to share that. especially considering the fact that wage growth has slowed significantly under president trump's administration. and as wages remain stagnant, inflation, that old dog, continues to rise, which wipes
out any small gains consumers might see in their wallets. soon, you could be paying even more at the grocery store. thanks to the ongoing trade war sparked by president trump. joining me now to talk about the impact of trade and tariffs, jim aggrievy. let's walk through this. u.s. prices for steal ael and aluminum are up since the start of the year. 33% for steel and 11% for aluminum. if you are a steel or aluminum producer like u.s. steel, that's amazing. but there are a lot less jobs in the aluminum and steel production industry than those who use aluminum and steal. so is that going to affect how much we pay for beer and soda and the jobs in those industries? >> well, it very much could, stephanie. u.s. beer supports 2.2 million american jobs. and these tar riches on aluminum and on steal, we estimate amount to a $350 million tax on beer brewers in the united states.
from the largest brewers to the smallest brewers. and those brewers are going to have to figure out a way to incorporate those added costs in their production. aluminum is the single biggest input costs for american brewers and these taxes are having a great affect on our business. >> how much more can consumers be expected to pay? >> we're lucky enough in the united states to have nearly 6,000 breweries in this country from the largest to the smallest. those are 6,000 individual businesses. they're really going to have to figure out how to deal with these costs. the layoff workers, we estimate these tariffs could lead to 20,000 lost jobs supported by american brewing. raise prices. cut their offerings. so everyone in beer is going to have to deal with this in their own way. >> have you shared this data and projections with the administration? i think back to the first time we were talking about the aluminum and steel tariffs and ross came on television with a can of soda and campbells soup
and said no one knows the price of these things, it's just a couple of cents. >> well, stephanie, those pennies add up. last year in the united states, american brewers bought 36 billion, with a "b," aluminum cans and bottles so those pennies add up. we have shared this information with the administration. last month, 32 members of congress sent a letter to attorney general sessions asking for an investigation into a particular price of how aluminum prices are set for beer brewers called the midwest premium. we're very concerned about the midwest premium. we're very concerned about the tariffs lasting a long time. we're talking to anyone in a position of authority who can help us out. >> what do they say back to you? when you share this with the administration, what has their response been? >> i think the administration's response is "we need to bring
back jobs in a certain sector of the manufacturing economy. therefore, brewers, sodamakers, airplane manufacturers, farmers, you're just going to have to take one for the team, team usa." >> just quickly, aren't there a lot more jobs, as i mentioned earlier that are associated with companies that use aluminum and steel than there are jobs with companies that produce aluminum and steel? >> we believe there are. that's why this policy in our view is wrong headed. tariffs are taxes. and someone has to pay those taxes. whether it be the consumer or the producer of beer and other products that americans use. beer is a shining jewel in american manufacturing right now. as i say, 2.2 million americans owe their livelihoods in one way or another to the production and distribution of beer. we're concerned these tariffs will have a negative impact while bringing back fewer jobs in other sectors. >> i want to look that up.
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this morning, we're learning more about a shocking new report that could impact hundreds of americans in their everyday travels. the boston globe exposing an undercover tsa program called quiet skies that sends air marshals to track citizens in their flights. we're at reagan national airport with more. >> reporter: stephanie, good morning. this program is called quiet skies. it involves putting federal armed air marshals in airports and on planes, following passengers all the way to their seats. americans who have no idea that they're being surveilled, who have no criminal history, but because of their travel history and a couple of other factors, they have raised red flags with the tsa. some civil libertarians are very concerned. internal tsa documents suggest
it happens 40 to 50 times a day. armed, undercover air marshals tracking and surveilling everyday passengers through airports, even on board domestic flights, all across the country. passengers who have no criminal history and are not on any terror watch list, but have still raised red flags with air marshals watching their every move, even sitting next to them on board. the "boston globe" jenna winter broke the story. >> do you have a computer, are you reading something, going to the bathroom, are you looking in a weird direction. do you change your clothes on the plane or at the airport? >> reporter: the information then sent to tsa headquarters. in a statement, the tsa says the primary purpose is to ensure passengers and flight crew are protected during air travel, and it is not intended to surveil ordinary americans. passengers are selected for surveillance if their foreign travel and other factors raise concerns, including criminal records, curious financial
transactions, e-mail or phone numbers that could be tied to terrorism. we recently talked to tsa chief david pakaski about the air marshals. >> we keep their presence covert. we don't want our adversaries to know they're on flights. >> reporter: but passengers aren't told they're on the quiet skies list or what happens to the information collected about them. some federal air marshals complain the program is a waste of money. the unions saying the american public would be better served if these marshals were instead assigned to airport screening and checking areas so active shooter events could be swiftly ended. civil libertarians are also concerned. >> it should go without saying government agents shouldn't be monitoring travelers without a good reason for doing so. >> reporter: tsa tells us that individuals can remain on this quiet skies list for up to three months after returning to the u.s. from a foreign airport. among those individuals who have already been surveilled and maybe didn't know it, an off-duty law enforcement officer, a business woman who
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quick answer of being pro-life. thank you for watching. cnn tonight with don lemon starts right now. there he is again. >> great words right there. i think that's what i said before the break, right? you said it plays right into that. i have to tell you i was atten event this weekend with a friend who happens to be white. she turned to me and said do you ever -- does it -- do you notice or are you aware, does it make you uncomfortable that you're, like, one -- maybe the only person of color in the room? and i just -- people have asked me that before, and i said i'm not uncomfortable about it. i am aware of it, but it happens all the time. and she said well, i wasn't aware of it until i was invited to a birthday party where everyone was a person of color. everyone was black and i was the only white person, and i said is this what it's like. she said is this what it's like for my friends of color all the time who' even in most places yu go, restaurants, everywhere you
country as we were growing up. and that's just how it is here. again, we need to really all work on that. i do think angela has a point. we need to really come to some sort of consensus on race or really deal with it, or it's not going to get any better at all. and it's not going to get better by not talking about it. >> we always put the hope in our kids and future. look, you're a great example. people should not treat you by the color of your skin. if they get to know you, there are plenty of reasons not to like you. >> i knew you were going to say that. >> a really good, true reasons. >> i was going to say you're a nice guy, but i take that back. you're an -- i'm just kidding. i love you, buddy. chris cuomo, everyone. contract cnn tonight. president trump on the road again but this is something.
listen. >> in helsinki i had a great meeting with putin. we discussed everything. i had a great meeting. we got along really well. by the way, that's a good thing, not a bad thing. that's a really good thing. now we're being hindered by the russian hoax. it's a hoax. okay? i'll tell you what. russia's very unhappy that trump won. that i can tell you. >> so if russia is actually unhappy that trump won, then somebody forgot to tell vladimir putin. >> president putin did you want president trump to win the election and did you direct any of your officials to help him do that? >> translator: yes, i did. yes, i did, because he talked about bringing the u.s./russia relationship back to normal. >> there you have it from putin himself. it's not fake news.
you can't say his own words. he wanted trump to win the election. and that may shed light on the big question tonight. why won't president trump call out putin for election interference? that's what a strong leader would do. right? instead this white house put on a display today in the briefing room. a display intended to send a message to the american people. that message is to convince you that this administration actually takes russia's attacks on our democracy seriously. so they trot it out one top official after another. every one of them pointing the finger at russia, which is all well and good, but obviously there is one person missing. want to guess who it is? president donald trump who no matter what the members of his administration say can't bring himself to blame russia for anything without walking it back in the same breath. let's compare the director of
national intelligence, what he said today to what president trump said after that disastrous helsinki summit. here it is. >> the intelligence community continues to be concerned about the threats of upcoming u.s. elections. both the midterms and the presidential elections of 2020. in regards to russian involvement in the midterm elections, we continue to see a pervasive messaging campaign by russia to try to weaken and divide the united states. >> i accept our intelligence community's conclusion that russia's meddling in the 2016 election took place. could be other people also. there's a lot of people out there. there was no collusion. >> no collusion. could be a 400-pound man in someone's basement. you've heard that one. and then there's the homeland
security secretary saying our democracy it is being targeted. >> our democracy itself is in the cross hairs. it has become clear they are the target of our adversaries who seek as the dni said to sew d discord and undermine our way of life. >> do you hold russia responsible? >> i hold both countries responsible. i think that the united states has been foolish. i think we've all been foolish. >> and what about this? this is from the fbi director christopher ray. >> as i have said consistently, russia attempted to interfere with the last election, and continues to engage in maligned influence operations to this day. this is a threat we need to take extremely seriously and to tackle and respond to with fierce determination and focus.
>> i don't think anybody knows it was russia that broke into the dnc. she's saying russia, but -- maybe it was. i mean, it could be russia, but it could also be china. it also could be somebody sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds. okay? >> there's the 400-pound thing. then as a candidate and now more than a year and a half into his presidency donald trump has let russia off the hook again and again. calling into question the assessments of his own intelligence chiefs that russia interfered in the 2016 election and will do the same thing again. even in today's let's call it what it really is, kabuki theater in the briefing room, the national security adviser john bolton could only point to what putin said about election interference, not what president trump said. >> in fact, president putin said, i thought at the press conference but certainly in the expanded bilateral meeting when the two leaders got together
with their senior advisers, president putin said the first issue that president trump raised was election meddling. >> so take off your describabtr or like donald trump or don't. whatever. what does it tell you when the president of the united states sends out members of his own administration to make the case he should be making himself. that russia attacked our democracy. russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election. russia is constantly working to divide america. the facts are there. the intelligence agencies are saying it. they all are saying it. and they're doing a pretty good job of it, russia is. so why doesn't this president, why won't he in the words of his own fbi director, take the threat seriously? it's no coincidence that all of this is happening as the mueller investigation is moving into the oval office, as mueller is pressing for a sit-down interview with the president himself. as former trump campaign manager
paul manafort is on trial. the first trial to come out of the mueller investigation. and as the president brands the whole thing a witch hunt. the fact is this is no witch hunt. robert mueller is doing what the president should be doing. he's working to get the facts. the truth about what russia did in 2016. and about what russia is still doing right now. that's the only way, the only way we can defend our democracy. i'm going to bring in chris soliza and josh campbell. gentlemen, good evening. thank you for joining us on this lovely evening. chris, why isn't the president as forceful or direct as his intelligence team? >> he doesn't believe it? despite all evidence to the contrary. look, i think at this point when donald trump says it, let's take him at his word. over and over and over again he
has not been able to say russia sought to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. my intelligence community tells me they did so because they wanted to help me and hurt hillary clinton. that election is over with, but the threat isn't. we need to figure out as a country how to protect our democracy. all the clips you played would have been a lot of other people, china or a 400-pound guy, he can't simply say it because he doesn't believe it. if you need evidence, the show of force, four big major figures in the trump administration coming out and saying russia interfered in the election. we need to stop them. this is a threat to our democracy. hours later that clip you played donald trump in pennsylvania says all a hoax. if the boss doesn't believe it, there's no way that the administration is as focussed on it as they could be. >> right. because there's no urgency
behind it. the big guy is not saying you guys take care of this. make sure -- >> of course. >> josh, what do i have for you? this is what you tweeted today. you said if trump privately tole putin to stop interfering in the u.s. elections and the intel community continues to see russia efforts to interfere in efforts, then putin is either disrespecting trump or didn't get the message. most likely president trump doesn't see it that way. >> well, he may not see it that way, but i think he should be focussed on the fact that he does not look good. this is simple if you think about it. we heard today from our u.s. intelligence community officials that russia is continuing to interfere in u.s. elections. so that either means one of two things. either the president actually sat down with vladimir putin and scolded him and said cut it out and putin ignored him or the message was not delivered. either way it should be concerning for the american citizens. it either means we're being lied
to and the message wasn't conveyed forcefully or the power of the presidency isn't what it once was and even after being scolded by the president of the united states, someone like vladimir putin thinks he can continue interfering with our elections without repercussions. >> i want to play him at a rally tonight. >> i got along great with putin and everybody said wow, that was great. a couple hours later i started hearing these reports that they wanted me to walk up and go like this. son of a -- they wanted me to go up and have a boxing match. i said what ever happened to diplomacy? >> so, well, there's a lot of things there. i mean, there's -- i mean, there's a wide gap between diplomacy and a boxing match. no one asking him or thought he would have a boxing match. they just thought he would stand up and be a man as the president
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your expertise. you were there for water gate. i'm going to get your impressions on all of this relating to that and the latest on what's going on with this whole russia investigation. good evening. thank you for joining us. john, the oligarch's attorney says the conversations about an interview with the special counsel have been going on for nearly a year. we also know mueller is offering the president's legal team new parameters for a meeting with him. what does that tell you about where mueller is in his investigation? is it a sign of wrapping things up or we don't know? >> i don't think we know for certain. this is an airtight investigation, but i think it's interesting he wants to get to the source of the meeting that is a key meeting that june 9th meeting in the trump towers, and one of the key players is setting it up. he wants to get to the source and find out what's behind it. i suspect this fellow who travels the world wants to
cooperate or might -- doesn't want to be subject to an interpoll sans against himself. so he may come in voluntarily. >> karl, according to the attorney, mueller's team is interested in discussing the trump tower meeting and the talks around the building of a trump tower in moscow. right? they were talking about building a trump tower there. what does that tell you about mueller's focus? >> this may be the real sleeper of the whole mueller investigation, because clearly on its face the trump tower meeting was convened for the purpose of collusion and collaboration and conspireing. and with don junior and in the letter -- i'm going to read. i'm going to do something untelevision like and read the letter that brought this meeting about. he just called and ask me to
contact you with something interesting. the crown prosecutor of russia met with his father this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the trump campaign with official documents and information that would incriminate hillary in her dealings with russia and would be very useful to your father. this is obviously very high level and sensitive information, but it's part of russia and its government support for mr. trump helped by aras and emin. what's the best way to handle this? that's perhaps the most important document in this whole investigation. and if donald trump, indeed, means it, that he did not collude and people in his family did not collude, it is very easy for him to call these two people, aman and his father, good friends of the president, call them up and say i want you to come talk to mr. mueller.
testify in my behalf. tell them this is, indeed, a witch hunt and this letter does not mean what it says. trump has the ability right here to put this perhaps behind him if he wants to be honest about the -- this, well, but it tells you something about where mueller is. this is not just an investigation about obstruction of justice. this is about collusion. >> yes. and you're right. so listen, john. more details now. "the new york times" is reporting president trump pushed his lawyers to try to reach an agreement with mueller about sitting for an interview. do you believe this president wants to sit down with the special counsel or does he want it to seem that way to the public? >> i think it's the latter phase of the question. he wants it to seem that he wants to sit down. i'm sure his lawyers don't want him to sit down. but, you know, the man has such an ego. he might sincerely believe that he can somehow turn mueller to
think his own investigation is a witch hunt. i doubt that he can do that. but trump's imagination seems to have no boundaries. >> yeah. that is an interesting way of putting it. stick around and join the conversation. we're going to continue to talk about it. more on the russia investigation and all the new details coming out on it today. we'll be right back. no, no, no, no, no. cancel. cancel. please. aaagh! being in the know is a good thing. that's why discover will alert you if your social security number is found on any one of thousands of risky sites. since joining ninehahi, ubmonths ago,o. my priority has been to listen to you... to cities and communities,
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karl, we know that your former colleague bob woodward coming out with a new book on the trump white house. you say the scandals surrounding the trump administration are getting worse an water gate. why do you say that? >> i think this is worse an water gate because the system worked in water gate. it worked among other things, because republicans said what did the president know and when did he know it? and they pursued the truth unlike republicans on capitol hill today who have provided cover for donald trump to cover up in whatever has occurred here in this question of collusion and obstruction of justice. so that's the first big difference of why this is worse than water gate. on top of which we learned in water gate that president nixon was guilty of crimes that he, indeed, had undertaken
authoritarian use of the powers of the presidency to order break ins and it was republicans once again who said that cannot happen on our watch. the president must be held accountable. for did we have a president in nixon who sought to undermine the western alliance. so, you know, under president trump putin has destabilized the united states of america and our electoral system. that did not happen under richard nixon. >> yeah. john, i want your take. is it becoming worse than water gate? what's your take? >> i've always used the title worse than water gate. >> you have? >> yes. about the torture in the bush administration, bush two which i thought was pretty bad, but i think we are in an area that's worse than water gate aside from python and ostrich coats which never made it to the water gate
scene, we do have something that was unlike watergate in that a foreign adversary is involved in the hacking of the dnc with watergate it started with just a bungled burglary and expanded from beyond that. of course, the deaf situation -- definition of watergate meant more than the burglary and coverup. it was abuse of power that nixon demonstrated preceding and during watergate that marked it as a unique reason that he was likely to be impeached had he not resigned. so i think -- but i think we're beyond that. i think the points karl makes are well made. >> you think we're seeing a coverup right now? >> i think we're still in the middle of it, and i never feared for the country during watergate. i fear for the country and i fear for our democracy right now. i have a knot in my stomach.
it's been there ever since donald trump won the election. never had that with nixon. i know he would ultimately apply and follow the law. with trump, i'm not sure. >> karl, you were saying absolutely? is that what you said? >> yes. among other things we've got to consider here, you talk about bob woodward's book. one of the things that one would hope that we would see in the reporting from the newspapers, from the networks, from bob's book is the question of whether or not this president is acting in a competent and coherent manner, because every evidence that we see so far is that he is incoherent, and not competent in terms of how he is conducting the presidency and the policies of the united states. that is a -- all of these questions are related to the russia investigation, to what we saw in helsinki. in helsinki, what the hell happened in helsinki? we don't know.
did that occur, what we saw on the stage because of incompetence or because of nefariousness on the part of the president of the united states? this is unprecedented. we have never had a president of the united states whose loyalty has been called into question by responsible members of both parties in the congress of the united states. it's never happened. >> john, carl has said president trump is unhinged in a way we've never seen publicly with nixon, with the tweeting and his behavior and what he does at rallies and on and on. privately was nixon unhinged? >> nixon had a drinking problem. he would get fairly loose late at night own get on the telephone and have some pretty unhinged conversations, but we went in the office in the morning and was cold sober. he wasn't somebody who drank on the job or totally lost control. there were checks that were placed on him late in watergate.
his secretary of defense, for example, said listen, don't follow any extreme orders without clearing them with me first which is highly unusual. the secretary was worried he might try to use his war powers to somehow deflect from his watergate problems. we're not there yet with trump. in fact, it's trump's incompetency right now that i take comfort in. he doesn't know how to use the powers of the presidency the way nixon did who was a student of the presidency, who had been in congress, who had been vice president before he became president. he knew where the levers were and how to work them. trump hasn't figured that out yet. >> i always enjoy my conversations with you gentleman. thank you so much. when we come back the president attacking the media again tonight but his daughter had this to say. >> no, i do not feel the media is the enemy of the people. >> but he's not letting her have
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this is her response. >> i've certainly received my fair share of reporting on me personally that i know not to be fully accurate, so i've had some -- i have some sensitivity around why people have concerns and gripe, especially when they're sort of -- feel targeted but no, i do not feel the media is the enemy of the people. >> why do you think she broke with her father? there's a whole lot there. what did you think? >> first, there's a lot of throat clearing at the beginning of that answer. you know, i think she broke with her father because she's in the midst of an image reset. she's doing that interview because she's trying to come back out into public. she just got rid of the business. we had a story in our paper about a week ago that clearly reflected the fact that people around ivanka were saying you need to take a fresh look at
her. she's getting her act together again. she's going to step back out on the stage. so she's breaking with her father. it's not that much of a break, because she's trying to tell the world what she said from the beginning. i have the name trump, but i'm not in totally with my father. i'm different and modern. >> rehabilitating her image? >> yes. >> my question is and listen, i know it's tough. everyone who is in the public eye really gets media criticism. there are things people write about you that aren't true. much of it you cannot control. if i were in her shoes i would say as awful as that is, i am in a unique position to be able to have a front seat to creating -- to implementing policies that are good for the american people so no one should feel sorry for me because not everyone gets the opportunity i have in a lifetime to effect change the way i am. unless she said it after, i did not see that. >> she should hire you.
>> it's so easy and simple. >> she's one of the most frustrating figures in the trump administration. you're right. she could do that. she wants to have it all. she's an opportunist. she went along for the ride. she wanted washington. she had her glamorous instagram feed. she told us all along you want me here because i'm going to moderate him. i'm much better off here than anywhere else. she did nothing. she did not restrain him on climate change or trade or nafta. all the things where she supposedly had distance from her father, she did not restrain him on. now she steps out and says these things and she's painting an image of herself, but to what end? >> right. and even the children being separated a the the border, apparently she didn't agree with that but never said anything about it publicly before it happened. amanda, what do you think of this? her response? >> well, she had to shut down
her business because no one was buying her dresses anymore. i think she needs to shut down the pseudo advisory role. no one is buying it. the problem is the remarks speak to the privilege that she enjoys in this white house as first daughter and adviser that she feels entitled to protect her brand rather than defend the words and policies of her boss like all other white house employees are expected to do. when she was asked about the family detention policies, she spoke to her feelings and said it's complicated, this isn't easy. and i feel very emotional about this issue. that's just very hard to buy when we've heard the cries of children, parents, you know, mothers and fathers on tyape an we're supposed to believe she feels badly so we should just give them a pass. was she not in the room for the
zero tolerance planning policies? that pain was the policy. that was supposed to be -- >> and that's her role as an adviser, to advise her father. >> right. >> they asked my daughter whether or not the media is the enemy of the people. she correctly said no. it is the fake news which is a large percentage of the media that is the enemy of the people. if we break it down, right, he couldn't handle his daughter contradicting him. this is one don't believe what you hear and see things. that's what she said. she said i don't believe the media. >> no, and she gave a good, honest answer. it's one we would expect to hear from someone in the white house. but there's no other employee that the president would play cleanup for on twitter, and if you want to see the difference in her status in that white house, look at her remarks which, again, i welcome, and how they contrast with what sarah
huckabee sanders said at the briefing where she was asked three times by jim acosta, why won't you say the press isn't the enemy of the free people. she demured every time and acted aggrieved like i've been attacked to. that's the president's view and i'm sticking by it. there's a huge gap. >> amanda, you brought it up. this is what -- she also broke her silence an family separation. s this is what she said. >> that was a low point for me as well. i feel very strongly about that, and i am very vehemently against family separation and the separation of parents and children, so i would agree with that sentiment. i think immigration is incredibly complex as a topic. illegal immigration is
incredibly complicated. >> so 572 children, by the way, remain, frank, separated from their parents and there are different reasons why. but they say some of them may not belong -- you know, they have all kind of excuses. some of them may be true. benefit of the doubt with that, but still, this was handled very poorly from the beginning. that audio of the children crying that amanda mentioned that came out in mid june, it galvanized the country and said oh, my gosh, this is great. wouldn't that have been or even before the time for her to speak out? i'm wondering if everyone is -- what do you think of this sort of profile and courage -- >> i mean, she wants total sympathy and no responsibility and no accountability. and that's what she's wanted from the beginning. i got to say i'm a little offended when she's talking about how emotional it was for her, how much it disappointed her, et cetera. we heard nothing from her privileged vantage point about how this came to be.
about why this happened in the first place. about why it went on as long as it did. about what they're doing to remedy it. she supposedly is a close adviser of the president making a positive impact, but we heard nothing substantive. we heard about how down it made her feel. well, i'm a lot more worried about the children than ivanka trump. >> thank you both. appreciate it. when we come back, president telling the world tonight what a great meeting he had with vladimir putin just hours after his top intel people confirm that putin's russia is a serious threat to our democracy. my life is here... [telephone ring] ahoy-hoy. alexander graham bell here... no, no, my number is one, you must want two! two, i say!! like my father before... [telephone ring] like my father before... ahoy-hoy! as long as people talk too loudly on the phone, you can count on geico saving folks money. fifteen minutes could save you
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interferes in the 2016 election and is trying to do so again. but their boss, the president of the united states clearly does not believe that. let's talk about it now. susan glasser is here. susan, good evening to you. >> thank you. >> what do you make of the timing of all of this? why today of all days did the white house choose to talk about the russia threat? >> it's a good question. i mean, i think we're looking at extended play cleanup duty from the helsinki summit. clearly there was a sense that even among many members of his own party felt that trump had gone too far in lavishing praise on vladimir putin and raising questions in the press conference with putin about his own intelligence agencies conclusion. i think what you saw today was this extraordinary briefing in the white house by five senior top intelligence officials and other national security officials. they're all singing from the same page and saying not only
that they agree that this election interference occurred in 2016 but they're determined to make sure it is not repeated in 2018. the one guy who was missing was president trump. and then he contradicted them essentially a few hours later. never mentioning this important priority of his government and once again calling the russia investigation a hoax. >> so, susan, the president talked about the helsinki summit. he spoke of it as a boxing match tonight. and you actually use that analogy in one of your articles? . >> well, i have to say i was wondering where president trump got this. he said a couple times including tonight after helsinki, well, you know, those people in washington. they just wanted me to have a boxing match with vladimir putin but hey, i'm giving diplomacy a chance. it was a great meeting. actually, it was a long-time state department diplomat who told me in the runup to helsinki, he was worried trump was so unprepared for the meeting that he would be like an
amateur boxer going up against a professional. that's the only boxing analogy that i'm aware of before the summit. and, of course, he wasn't saying that trump should get in there and punch vladimir putin. he was saying the united states is not being represented by a president who is really prepared to go toe to toe with someone our government considers an adversa adversary. putin has been leader of russia for 18 years. he's met with four total american presidents. trump's three predecessors have come out feeling in many ways that they misread vladimir putin and didn't get what they wanted out of the relationship. so, yeah, i think a lot of people would agree that he was like an amateur up against a pro in that meeting. it's interesting, isn't it, that it really stuck with president trump. he seemed stung by that criticism. >> and just hours, though, susan, after intelligence teams firmly stated russia
interference has happened and continues to be a threat the president says he had a great meeting with putin and called out the russian hoax. what message does that send to the russians? >> well, i think that's an important point that you're bringing up. putin has always been a believer that only his peers, presidents and other leaders really matter. i remember when i was based in moscow during george w. bush's presidency and putin was getting some criticism from colin powell, from the u.s. ambassador at the time, and he and his advisories basically said yes, but we haven't heard it from president himself. i believe that's the way vladimir putin would look at this situation and say basically, well, we'll let trump's bureaucracy say what they need to say, but the president himself is assured me as recently as helsinki that he doesn't take this seriously, and
i think that putin would get the message that this is a divided government, and that the president himself is not on the same page as his own bureaucracy. this is the right message. it's clear a year and a half in that no matter how many times his advisories say they care about russian interference and are determined to do something about it that trump himself has not -- is not on board with that policy. >> susan glasser, thank you. have a good rest of your evening. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. - i'm at a time in my life where i wanna do business with companies who do right by me. - [announcer] the hartford is the only auto insurance company voted one of the world's most ethical companies 10 times, and 96% of customers recommend the hartford based on their claim experience. join the millions of customers who trust the hartford. call to get a quote from the aarp auto insurance program from the hartford.
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running. >> that's tonight's "last word." "the 11th hour" with brian williams starts right now. tonight donald trump and his new jersey golf club after a wild ride of a week moving the goal posts on collusion calling for an end to the mueller investigation and a full on assault on the media all while his own team beats the drum warning of the russia threat. plus new developments in the paul manafort case. the testimony today that compelled his wife to leave the courtroom. and after another stunning week in this presidency we'll ask a celebrated historian if there's anything to celebrate in the history we are witnessing. "the 11th hour" on a friday night begins now. well, good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters here in new york. day 561 this was of the trump
Brian Williams examines the day's top political stories and current political-campaign news.
sharpest attacks for his critics, the news media. >> even these horrible horrendous people say look at it, it looks like the academy awards. you ever see this? let's say i'm running against pol pocahontas or crazy bernie. i've got to hand it to bernie. i saw him up there the other day. that hair is getting whiter and whiter. i had obamacare done except one guy at 2:00 in the morning went in and said you know who that new leader is, maxine waters. very low iq. low iq. they can make anything bad because they are the fake, fake, g disgusting news. >> on that note let's bring in our lead off panel on a friday
night. jonathan allen, coauthor of the best-seller "shattered about the hillary campaign." jill winebanks. jonathan lemere, white house reporter of the associated press, and jackie calmes. welcome mr. lemere, i'd like to begin with you. as long as presidents have vacations white houses have rushed in to say no, no, no this is working vacation. calling this a working vacation is one of the most traditional things this white house has ever done. having established that, you reported just days ago, jonathan, this president was in a very dark place. is he in any brighter confines even including the fact he likes rallies like that for what we just saw? >> hey, brian. he is one of the nation's greatest states tonight, as he
heads back tomorrow for a rally as you said. last night in pennsylvania i think betrayed where his mood was though he was at times jovial and sort of jocular with the crowd, he had a lot of venom shall we say towards the media. and it came just hours after his national security staff finally did what people have wanted to hear for a long time. chastatize russia's interference in 2016 and outline steps to prevent them from doing it again while sounding the alarm, this threat is very real from moskow is should be taken seriously. just six hours later in northeast pennsylvania the president down-plays it, suggests the whole thing is a hoax. and then turns withering scorn on the media that was there. suggesting that we were treating him unfairly, sort of reappropriating the idea of fake news. no longer as his criticism of a report that he thinks is
inaccurate or rather a report he thinks is unfair or unkind to him. therefore labeling us as his enemy. though he didn't use enemy of the state yesterday he certainly described us as disgusting horrible people. this is the white house as you say suggesting it's a working vacation. we didn't lay eyes on him, and he'll be back out there again tomorrow. a day after behaving himself on twitter like he did today, i think we all expect that once again it won't just be the news media in his cross hairs but the russia probe, which has followed him throughout whether he's in the white house or in bedminster. >> what did you see and note in the arena that perhaps wasn't obvious on television? >> well, it was one of the horribles. i guess it rhymes with deplorables, the difference being the news media is just trying to report the facts. i can only imagine what the president things of the people actually opposing him
politically. this rally i think was a boisterous one. the president was pretty pumped up and jazzed up as jonathan said compared to how he was earlier in the week. he's obviously feeling a lot of pressure. but one of the things i noticed yesterday is he really emphasized immigration in this particular speech. he's in a part of the country that has seen a big influx of hispanic immigrants over the course of the last decade or so. it's a big issue for his base. he went to all of those and you played some of those earlier, some of those greatest hits whether it's maxine waters or nancy pelosi or chuck schumer, certainly referencing some of the other greatest hits. and what's important about that, brian, is as he's ramping up for the mid-terms he's not really trying to expand the republican base but really fire up his supporters and get them
energized. he's seen a period in his presidency, throughout his presidency that's been very static in terms of his approval ratings. so it's going to be on the basis of every last republican turning out, particularly every last base supporter. i think we can expect to hear more and more of what we heard last night. >> you've covered a story or two in the panthions of donald trump. and just yesterday after his intelligence community came out and talked about the russia threat he came out and called it a hoax. where does this rank in the trump weeks of his presidency? >> i actually think it's no worse as some of the worst. but when you look at it substantively it was really
important. because when you think about it here we are more than a year and a half after he's taken office, and we're coming up on two years after he was elected. the unanimous consensus of the intelligence community, of this country is that we were attacked by our bigger adversary, russia. and for the first time in the past week he presided over a meeting -- the first time, a meeting of his national security council. it lasted somewhere between under an hour, maybe just a har half-hour before he went off to bedminster for his golf club for last weekend. so this week because the administration feels so on the defensive they're not doing enough. we're just three months away from a mid-term election where the intelligence community is saying that russia is continuing to try to subvert our elections, they bring five top national security officials before the press corp in the briefing room to say something the president
himself has never said publicly. that was a tablo that should have been played out in the east room perhaps as the president himself at the mic. and as your guests have said as you said the president was there in wipennsylvania at a crowd of his supporters calling it a hoax. it's a wonder to me some of these people haven't resigned. but i think it comes back to the original sentiment a lot of people had joining this administration, they're doing this for their country. they're doing it in effect, i mean it's not going too far to say to protect this country from the president. >> jill, jackie just said a series of really important things and now we need to know what it looks like from a lawyer's perspective. if you were rudy giuliani or jay
sekulow or the white house counsel or the raskens attorneys at law, how would you view this past week? >> i would be very concerned. i think that the president's actions have been more obstruction. there's no question that his tweets saying that attorney general sessions should stop the investigation is an active act of obstruction of justice. i also think that his tweet that the hoax -- about hoax and the manafort trial, saying that there's no collusion there and the trial's a hoax, could be seen as jury tampering. he is clearly playing to his base and doing everything he can to undermine the russia investigation. he has done nothing to protect the country, and i think it's a serious problem for him from a legal perspective. it's really bad. >> jonathan lemere, as we say in new jersey just for a little bon
mat, the staff for the 4:00 p.m. hour put together a collection, this is not necessarily everything, a collection of some of things that were said in wilkberry that were not true. >> highways we have done to two years very shortly. u.s. steel is opening up several plants. i'll tell you what, russia is very unhappy that trump won. that i can tell you. i raised $44 billion last year, and i don't know if you know, nato funding was going down. chain migration, and this was the schumer deal. schumer wanted this. republicans just passed the biggest tax cuts in the history of our country. >> so jonathan lemere, what is the white house process when the president goes out? >> the president has a pretty unconventional relationship with
the truth, brian. and i think for the most part the white house process resembles this. i think that they try to cleanup some of this stuff, but they also know there's a sense around the building and not just white house aides but every so often the president just needs to blow off some steam. let's also remember this is something that predates his political cull rear. from his day as as real estate developer in new york, looking to make himself a celebrity, he would sort of push his own version of the truth. he would lie to reporters, he would lie in public. and he would do it so often it seemed as if he was convincing himself it was real. and we're seeing that since the moment he came down the escalator at trump tower years ago that a lot of his supporters are willing to go with him. they trust him far more than say the news media. and the most perhaps telling of
those that you really just played is the one where he suggested vladimir putin did not want him to win. let's remember just a couple weeks ago in helsinki vladimir putin was asked that very question. who did you want to win in 2016, and he said donald trump. and so this is now an argument the president has made on twitter suggesting if there is election interference maybe it's the russians helping the democrats. and that just goes to show you not only can he not be taken at face value, but this is hovering over him russia, and the mueller probe seems to be inching closer and closer to his family and the pressure to end the investigation are only going to accelerate. >> and as we watch that, we watch the president's position on all things russia hardening -- sharpening. >> right. again, sort of in contrast to what we saw of those officials
all of whom at different times said before that russia had interfered in the 2016 election might be doing so in 2018. they obviously felt like their message wasn't getting out. they banded together, wept to the white house briefing room, gave this stunning sort of condemnation of washington continuing to have this ongoing effort to undermine american democracy and then you have the president of the united states split screen going there saying never mind what my top aides are saying. never mind all this is disrupting my relationship with putin who didn't want me to win. and of course for those of us who were in the room in helsinki when putin was asked that, you don't have to speak a lot of russian to know that the answer to the question of did you want trump to win was basically duh. putin was just like yes, yes, yes, i wanted trump to win. the lies mount up.
it's so hard when you're in the room at those rallies to count them. they're coming so fast. you showed several clips. there must have been another half-dozen at least. i know in one case he said that bob casey, the sitting senator there wants to abolish i.c.e. not true. >> jackie, at the same time the assaults on the media are getting sharper and more frequent and the crowd is getting into it more. >> they are, and it is really concerning. i don't think your audience can really appreciate what it's like to be a reporter in what we call the press pool when you are, you know, shepherded into those big rallies and the audience is looking at you and it's clear who the reporters are and the camera crews carrying their equipment and such, and you get the hissing and the booing and the yelling and the middle fingers going up in the air, and it's really threatening.
what a lot of people don't know is that during the presidential campaign, long before now, some of the correspondents had to have security. at one point, you know, secret service would escort them but at other points their employers hired security to be with them. that's unprecedented. and there's only one reason for it. because people are goaded by donald trump himself to be negative against the press. and what's really hypocritical about it is donald trump himself personally can be quite nice to these reporters and call them up on the phone. but, you know, we're an easy foil for his base that he plays to. >> jill wine-banks i keep hearing folks within your line of work keep saying things like i wouldn't want to be roger stone right now. i say that in way of asking you what big move are you looking for next in the mueller investigation? >> well, first let me say i'm
also glad i'm a lawyer on tv not a journalist because it is really scary to listen to that rally. and it's also scary as a citizen to worry about the freedom of the press. but as to roger stone it's very interesting. he seems to be clearly identified in the russian hacking indictment as one of the u.s. citizens involved. and of course we know that he was in touch with guccifer 2.0 and with wikileaks and now all of the people who surrounded him are being called as witnesses. as you pointed out in your opening kirstin davis is the most repeat one. and assumption is she's being call bide roger stone of something she knows nothing about, but she was actually released from jail in may of 2016 just before the trump tower
meeting, and just before a lot of the guccifer 2.0 stuff started. so that's not much of an excuse for what she might know. and it could also be that she has information on other people connected to the trump campaign from her prior business. so we don't know what she's going to be asked or has been asked by mueller. and the evidence, though, is mounting against roger stone, and he should be worried. and instead of commenting on mueller's wardrobe choices today he should be worried about his defense. >> our front four brought their a-game on a friday night in early august and we sure appreciate it. thank you all very much for joining us and helping us on this broadcast. coming up giuliani says a decision on this trump-mueller sit down will come in the next ten days. and as we'll remind you again in a few minutes, we've been here before. later on the presidency, the
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xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. welcome back. if you believe rudy giuliani, president trump and his legal team are very near a decision on a trump-mueller sit down interview. here's our second reminder, we've been here before. that did not stop politico from writing tonight, quote, trump's legal team will spend the weekend contemplating a new set of parameters and make a decision thereafter.
quote, i think our decisions will get made in the next ten days giuliani told politico. he added our team is deciding onto decliep an interview altogether. according to giuliani the latest proposal from mueller offered to narrow the set of questions related to obstruction. here now a reminder of one of it previous occasions when we were close to a decision for an interview. >> well, you said now july 4th is when you expect to have a decision on whether the president will sit for an interview with the special counsel. why are you dragging it out? don't you know what you want to do now? >> yeah, sure. i don't want to do it. well, the president wants to do it. >> it is now past the fourth of july. where do we stand? >> well, i think we're pretty much decided where we are, and we await the decision of the independent counsel. we would not recommend an interview for the president
unless they can satisfy us that there's some basis for this investigation. >> and it seems like over the weekend you made some news that it seems like you're moving more and more against the idea of the president sitting down with bob mueller. >> that could be true. we haven't made a final decision. there's still a slight opening. >> when are you going to find out? >> i think a couple -- maybe this week, maybe next week. >> the last time you told us was july 4th, mr. mayor. >> well, a lot's happened since july fourth. >> jack is the formal special counsel for the house banking committee, these days known as the special white house committee. we can close our eyes and read any version of it from three weeks ago, three months ago. the president who wants to talk, the attorneys cautioning him and
the big bad special counsel wants to catch him off-guard. we can say about this president he is expansive, tends to be narcissistic and tangential when he starts talking. doesn't that mean there are a million ways for him to get into trouble even if there are ground rules for this? >> absolutely. that kind of client, a ceo or a highly placed public official, they have those positions because they are confident and persuasive and fluent. and they tend to believe and overestimate their ability to persuade prosecutors and agents of the righteousness of their position. prosecutors and agents are generally in the business of building cases not deconstructing them, and they come to an interview with that mind-set.
so it can be a very precarious situation for the president to go into an interview ground rules or no. >> so, jack, to your ground rules point let me ask you this, let's say they agree on ground rules, we can agree on this but not this, the president starts to talk but takes them into an area that had been walled off by ground rules. that's now open. that's fair game, correct? >> that happens often just because of the dynamic of an interview especially a voluntary interview as opposed to, for example, some compelled testimony before a grand jury. either because the witness wants to say his or her piece and gets off topic, so to speak, or defense counsel thinks no harm is being done or even some haze
is being made and lets it go on. i think in this the former circumstance would be more likely than the latter. >> is there any chance of that happening? >> i would estimate that that is a low chance in that thus far at least what's been released publicly, any case involving the president seems to be highly circumstantial. of course we don't know what's transpired before a grand jury or what witnesses may have told special counsel. but one of the best ways from a prosecutor's point of view from turning a circumstantial case into a director case is to get a statement from the witness' mouth, the subject's mouth that is untrue or inaccurate or can be portrayed so believably.
so it would change the game for everybody if the president were to submit to an interview. >> jack, this is why we wanted to toss you a few questions tonight. thank you as always for saying yes and coming on the broadcast. we appreciate it. jack sherman back with us tonight. coming up for us what paul manafort's former accountant admitted today she once did for the man on trial. information valuable enough, by the way, to give today's witness immunity from prosecution. that is more when we come back. ♪ ♪ ♪ raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens ♪ ♪ bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens ♪ ♪ brown paper packages tied up with strings ♪ ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪ ♪ ♪
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a key witness today in the trial for president trump's former campaign chairman admitted she cooked the books in an effort to help paul manafort hide money. testifying with immunity his now former account want said she helped paul manafort and his former associate rick gates commit tax fraud by falsifying documents. prosecutors are trying to prove manafort evaded taxes on millions while working for a pro-russia party in ukraine and then faked loan documents once the cash dried up. with us for more tonight ken delaney in our nbc news intelligence and national security reporter and eric tucker, justice department reporter for the associated press. gentlemen, welcome to you both. ken, how effective was today? and part of what's getting the press today is mrs. manafort was driven at some point to leave the courtroom because she got
emotional. >> that's right, brian. that seemed like a pretty interesting moment. it came when another book keeper was discussing the fact he was not aware that paul manafort had control of all these foreign aaccounts in cypress. and that's really important because he prepared manafort's taxes and manafort had an obligation to disclose those accounts of more than $10,000. and while the testimony was understated at some opponent mrs. manafort, kathleen manafort, began to dab her eye, got slightly emotional and got up and left the courtroom. when i heard that had happened i thought, okay, i'm not crazy. it's true this trial is going very poorly for mr. fmanafort. because if you look at manafort you don't get that, he's look at his lawyers seeming like everything is fine. but the evidence has been very damning. and the defense thus far has been quite ineffective.
they've essentially stipulated to most of the facts, and i guess their story is going to be that these frauds and the failure to properly fill out tax forms was inadvertent, not intentional, brian. >> i've heard this called a paper case where while it can be on the boring side the feds like a paper case because paper can't get cross examined. having said that where do you think the opportunities are as they go by in realtime for the defense to come back and take jabs? >> i think, brian, on monday afternoon we're going to see the defense cross examine the very same government witness that was on the stand today. and i agree with my friend ken that the government scored some critical points. but i do think there's an opportunity she gave to the defense that she's under their immunity agreement which means
she's not going to be prosecuted for anything she says on the stand. so the defense can basically use that to say, okay, you yourself this tax preparer you've acknowledged and engaged in wrongdoing yourself, so she might not exactly have pristine hands. and i think they're going to try to exploit that. and then when we see rick gates, who is paul manafort's business associate, i think there's no question the defense is going to subject him to a grueling cross examineination. their whole point is the crimes weren't actually committed by him but by gates and the negligence of the tax professionals he employed around him. >> let's go to the other side of the coin and that is the prosecution. gates could be a devastating withering witness because of how deep into paul manafort's life and career he was. >> yeah, that's right. and they set it up today by
asking witnesses about the status of mr. gates, and he was repeatedly described as manafort's right hand man. he was repeatedly giving instructions to the tax preparers. the defense could argue he's the one responsible for these middeeds and he's going to have to come in and acknowledge he's lied to the fbi. it could be a really tough moments for the prosecution, but i would argue they have established so much evidence without gates. cindy reported tuesday as eric said some of these other tax prepapers and book keepers and the days of testimony of all the luxury goods manafort bought, that his tax returns clearly say he did want have. >> eric, unt those very luxury
goods, this speaks to the judge to say he is brisk is an understatement. he hasn't allowed the art to come into the courtroom, he says the jurors will get that into the jury room. he's told both sides take a week out of your arguments. he's moving it along so much i've heard the feds say he could hurt the case a bit because he's taking some of the juice out of the federal case. having said that about the judge, sometimes you can tell jury interest by looking at them as a journalist. what's your view of this jury? >> i would say the jury just like paul manafort actually seems really engaged for the most part in the trial even though it's a real document heavy case, there aren't really perry mason points, but i do
think they're engaged. there's also no question, brian, that the judge himself is part of what's keeping the jury entertained. he is making them laugh. he's making the courtroom gallery laugh. i think he's making the prosecution laugh much less than that, frankly. but there's no question that this judge ellis has become part of the story, and he is working assiduously to make sure paul manafort gets as fair of a trial as possible. he's trying to appeal proof the case so if there's a verdict against manafort and he wants to appeal it, which he no doubt would want to do, he won't be able to say anything ellis did in the courtroom is responsible for him losing the case. so he is trying very hard to keep out any sort of potential prejudicial testimony about all sorts of luxury items or garish details of a lavish lifestyle. but we did, of course, learn about the ostrich jacket which was the dominant headline of the first week of the trial.
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over time. >> a few days ago i called the fake news the enemy of the people, and they are. they are the enemy of the people. if you want to discover the source of the division in our country look no further than the fake news and the crooked media. they are very, very dishonest people. fake news. but they can make anything bad because they are the fake, fake, disgusting news. >> also importantly let's not forget this one from just a few days ago. >> what you're seeing and what you're reading is not what's happening. >> with us to talk about it tonight john meacham, pulitzer prizewinning author and historian. his latest book and it's an important one is "the soul of america, the battle for our angels." john, the talking points we just heard the president make, why is
this more pernicious than just another trump thing? >> well, he is actively making the working press a target of the wrath of people in physical proximity one to another. which is a really remarkable thing. as you mentioned, every president beginning with george washington who almost did not stand for re-election, i won't say run because nobody ran against him but almost decided not to seek a second term because he was so tired of being criticized. so this drama starts in 1792. and presses forward. what's a little different is that we used to have to at least hear from aides or in the extraordinary case of the nixon tapes, we would hear nixon himself denouncing the press. we would hear about the unhappiness of presidents usually in the most casual kind of remark offhand or a leak.
this is a case where the president has turned the working media into a permanent foil, political enemy and so he's basically in the tribalize the culture of the moment, he has said the media is as much an opponent of ours, meaning him and his base, as the democratic party or those who is oppose on pos grounds. which takes the role of a free press and puts it in really significant jeopardy think. >> john, you know this next question is coming. that is, what if we need to say to the american people no,,ing this next portion of the story is getting consequential for our country, presidency and the constitution. this isn't fake at all. it hasn't been more real, in fact. >> well, it's the perniciousness of the strategy. he has wounded the messenger. he's opened fire on the potential outlets that will be
the means by which any damaging information will come to the people. so in that sense, it's as strategic as anything he does and you know, you talk to people who know the president and a lot of them will say, you guys overthink this. he's just making it up. he's just rolling with whatever comes to the top of mind. as you just played, this is a consistent theme. and i think what he's done is attempted to and i think probably pretty significant throw an effective degree, he has wounded the means by which director mueller's report will be reported to the people. and lord knows what else. >> bret stephens has written a chilling op-ed in the "new york times" tonight. no one's ever going to accuse him of writing unfought thoughtful pieces. this one he kind of gives a recitation of a death threat he got on voice mail and the column
ends with, wes are approaching a day when blood on the newsroom floor will be blood on the president's hands. john, i don't think that's an overstatement. i think it's feeling just as serious as you portrayed it tonight. >> i think so. and one of the things about history is when we look back, we often see things in an inevitable progression. when we look back at dallas, 1963, we remember that the johnsons were jostled, people spit at lady bird from the john birch society, from the right in texas. we see that adlai stevenson, the ambassador to the united nations was attacked with plak placards at a rally. we can see in retrospect all leading up to the tragedy of daley plaza. i fear and i pray that i'm wrong that you could be playing the tape you just played a moment
ago the sequence when in fact something terrible happens. and words have consequences. and words from the very top have the most far reaching consequences. >> my friend, i join you in hoping you're wrong for benefit of all of us. jon meacham, always a pleasure. thank you for spending part of your friday night with us. coming up, it was something small that one of our sharp-eyed experts noticed about the manafort jury this week. it may be a good sign for the prosecution. we'll tell you about it when we come back.
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the last thing before we go here on a friday night, there's a lot riding on the trial we've been covering this week of former trump campaign chairman and jacket enthusiast paul manafort. it's the first trial of the mueller era and the mueller investigation and a guilty verdict in this first of two trials would greatly increase the pressure the government could the bring to bear against manafort. it appears to have been a good opening week for the prosecution though it's often so difficult to read what jurors are thinking. veteran courtroom lawyers look for certain things, certain behaviors to read the jury dynamic to see if things are breaking their way. well, this week the manafort jurors asked the judge if they could bring in a birthday cake for one of them. it was a nice enough request. benign enough. it was barely mentioned if at
all in the coverage. but one of our on air experts attorney mimi rocah, former federal prosecutor assistant u.s. attorney for the southern district of new york, saw more than just a request to bring in a birthday cake. as she told john heilemann on the air here this week, a cake request is good for the government. >> it's a good sign for the prosecution. if i were a prosecutor in that case, i would be happy that they asked for a birthday cake for one of the jurors. >> you think they're going to share some of the cake? >> no, a happy jury is a good jury for the government. here's why. you need to acquit and 12 jurors have to agree on acquittal. to convict you need 12 to convict. on this case, unlikely you get 12 to acquit. it's a strong case. you worry about one or two lone wolf juror who's doesn't want to go along with the program and you get a hung jury.
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would do. right? instead this white house put on a display today in the briefing room. a display intended to send a message to the american people. that message is to convince you that this administration actually takes russia's attacks on our democracy seriously. so they trot it out one top official after another. every one of them pointing the finger at russia, which is all well and good, but obviously there is one person missing. want to guess who it is? president donald j. trump who no matter what the members of his own administration say just can't seem to bring himself to blame russia for anything without walking it back in the same breath. let's compare the director of national intelligence, what he said today to what president trump said after that disastrous helsinki summit. here it is. >> the intelligence community continues to be concerned about the threats of upcoming u.s. elections. both the midterms and the presidential elections of 2020.
don't. whatever. what does it tell you when the president of the united states sends out members of his own administration to make the case he should be making himself. that russia attacked our democracy. russia interfered in the 2016 presidential election. russia is constantly working to divide america. the facts are there. the intelligence agencies are saying it. they all are saying it. and they're doing a pretty good job of it, russia is. so why doesn't this president, why won't this president in the words of his own fbi director take the threat seriously? it's no coincidence that all of this is happening as the mueller investigation is moving into the oval office, as mueller is pressing for a sit-down interview with the president himself. as former trump campaign manager paul manafort is on trial. the first trial to come out of the mueller investigation. and as the president brands the whole thing a witch hunt. the fact is this is no witch hunt. robert mueller is doing what the president should be doing. he's working to get the facts. the truth about what russia did in 2016.
and about what russia is still doing right now. that's the only way, the only way we can defend our democracy. i'm going to bring in chris soliza and josh campbell. gentlemen, good evening. thank you for joining us on this lovely evening. chris, why isn't the president as forceful or direct as his national security team when it comes to russia's efforts to attack our elections and undermine our democracy? >> he doesn't believe it. despite all evidence to the contrary. look, i think at this point when donald trump says it, let's take him at his word. over and over and over again he has not been able to say russia sought to interfere in the 2016 presidential election. my intelligence community tells me they did so because they wanted to help me and hurt hillary clinton. that election is over with, but the threat isn't. we need to figure out as a
country how to protect our democracy. all the clips you played, don, could have been a lot of other people, could have been china or a 400-pound guy sitting in his bedroom, he can't simply say it because he doesn't believe it. if you need evidence, the show of force, four big major figures in the trump administration coming out and saying russia interfered in the election. we need to stop them. this is a threat to our democracy. hours later that clip you played donald trump in pennsylvania says all a hoax. if the boss doesn't believe it, there's no way that the administration is as focussed on it as they could be. >> right. because there's no urgency behind it. the big guy is not saying you guys take care of this. make sure -- >> of course. >> josh, this is what you tweeted today. you said if trump privately tole putin to stop interfering in the u.s. elections and the intel community continues to see
russia efforts to interfere in efforts, then putin is either disrespecting trump or didn't get the message. most likely president trump doesn't see it that way. >> well, he may not see it that way, but i think he should be focussed on the fact that he does not look good. this is simple if you think about it. we heard today from our u.s. intelligence community officials that russia is continuing to interfere in u.s. elections. so that either means one of two things. either the president actually sat down with vladimir putin and scolded him and said cut it out and putin ignored him or the message never was delivered. either way it should be concerning for the american citizens. it either means we're being lied to and the message wasn't conveyed forcefully or the power of the presidency isn't what it once was and even after being scolded by the president of the united states, someone like vladimir putin thinks he can continue interfering with our elections without consequences. >> i want to play him at a rally tonight. watch this.
>> i got along great with putin and everybody said, wow, that was great. a couple hours later i started hearing these reports that they wanted me to walk up and go like this. son of a -- they wanted me to go up and have a boxing match. i said what ever happened to diplomacy? >> so, well, there's a lot of things there. i mean, there's -- i mean, there's a wide gap between diplomacy and actually a boxing match. no one asking him or thought he would have a boxing match. they just thought he would stand up and be a man as the president of the united states and call russia and vladimir putin on exactly what they're doing instead of capitulating. and he skips the part where putin under -- trump undermined his intelligence agencies on a world stage and had to clean up his own mess. >> and by the way, in cleaning
up his own mess, that's when he said could have been other people also. like he can't -- even in the cleaning up of the mess, he still hedged. >> i meant to say would or wouldn't. >> go on. sorry. >> go back to what he's doing there. look, what you see there is vintage trump. he is telling himself and everyone around him a story of how he sees things. whether or not that comports with facts -- it doesn't in this case -- is immaterial. no one outside of maybe his family and some of his advisers -- no one who is not on the payroll thought whether it was one minute after that summit or
ten hours after that summit that it went well. the reaction in the trump white house, the reaction on capitol hill among republicans was i can't believe i just saw what i saw. so he creates a reality. he tells himself it, and then he uses that to scapegoat the media in some way. the media is -- the media doesn't make republicans say i can't believe that just happened. we quote them saying that. >> right. >> but that's -- again, vintage trump. >> i want to get this in. if you can get a quick response, josh. i want you to take a look at this. this is a surprising moment from the white house press briefing with the director of national intelligence. watch. >> i'm not in a position to either understand fully or talk about what happened in helsinki. i'll turn it over to the national security director here to address that question. >> so two and a half weeks after helsinki the top intelligence person in the country can't speak to what happened there? >> two key aspects. first he says he doesn't know what happened and he can't talk about it. the second, i can appreciate. someone in his position, he has access to highly classified information. maybe he couldn't talk about it.
but the fact he indicated he doesn't know what happened, is highly concerning. i know him. he's a good man. the fact he wasn't briefed by the president on what took place in the meeting is going to do a disservice to the intelligence community. what should have happen second down the president should have been sitting down at cia head quarters with the head of cia and all the intelligence analysts working on russia and should have given them a full debriefing on what took place to inform their analysis and form what it is they're doing. that didn't take place. the top dni doesn't even know what happened. >> and the dni, the person in charge of all intelligence, maybe should have been in the room. >> i was just going to quickly -- i know you're up against it. >> i am. >> just remember, donald trump is the one who pushed for a one on one meeting with vladimir putin with just translators that went on for two plus hours. the only version of what happened there that we know is from interviews that vladimir putin has given with russian
state television. just sit with that one for a little while. >> thank you, gentlemen. appreciate it. when we come back the mueller investigation heating up as paul manafort is on trial in mueller's first russia case. is this turning into president trump's watergate? i'm going to ask the experts. carl bernstein is here and john dean. they know. they were involved in watergate. i found my tresiba® reason. now i'm doing more to lower my a1c. i take tresiba® once a day. tresiba® controls blood sugar for 24 hours for powerful a1c reduction. (woman) we'd been counting down to his retirement. it was our tresiba® reason. he needs insulin to control his high blood sugar and, at his age, he's at greater risk for low blood sugar. tresiba® releases slow and steady and works all day and night like the body's insulin. (vo) tresiba® is a long-acting insulin
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special counsel robert mueller pushing to interview russian oligarch aras agalarov and his pop star son who were instrumental in setting up the trump tower meeting. earlier this month he appeared to be trolling the president releasing this video impersonating trump in a room with a slew of models. i just wanted to watch that a little longer so you can see what's going on. there were trump impersonators. there we go, and an ivanka impersonator and on and on. there he is right there. let's discuss now. cnn plit kn analyst carl bernstein is here. and john dean is a cnn contributor. good to have both of you on. your expertise. you were there for watergate. i'm going to get your impressions on all of this relating to that and the latest on what's going on with this whole russia investigation. good evening. thank you for joining us.
john, the allar ov's attorney says the conversations about an interview with the special counsel have been going on for nearly a year. we also know mueller is offering the president's legal team new parameters for a meeting with him. what does that tell you about where mueller is in his investigation? is it a sign of wrapping things up or we don't know? >> i don't think we know for certain. this is an airtight investigation, but i think it's interesting he wants to get to the source of the meeting that is a key meeting that june 9th meeting in the trump towers, and agalarov was one of the key players in trying to set it up. he wants to get to the source and find out what's behind it. i suspect this fellow who travels the world wants to cooperate or might -- doesn't want to be subject to an interpol sanction against himself. so he may come in voluntarily. >> carl, according to the attorney, mueller's team is interested in discussing the trump tower meeting and the
talks around the building of a trump tower in moscow. right? they were talking about building a trump tower there. what does that tell you about mueller's focus? >> this may be the real sleeper of the whole mueller investigation, because clearly on its face the trump tower meeting was convened for the purpose of collusion and collaboration and conspireing. and with don junior and in the letter -- i'm going to read. i'm going to do something very un-television like and read the letter that brought this meeting about. emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting. the crown prosecutor of russia met with his father this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the trump campaign with official documents and information that would incriminate hillary in her dealings with russia and would
be very useful to your father. this is obviously very high level and sensitive information, but it's part of russia and its government support for mr. trump helped by aras and emin. what's the best way to handle this? that is perhaps the most important document that we have in this whole investigation. and if donald trump, indeed, means it, that he did not collude and people in his family did not collude, it is very easy for him to call these two people, emin, and his father, aras, good friends of the president, call them up and say i want you to come talk to mr. mueller. testify on my behalf. tell them this is, indeed, a witch hunt and this letter does not mean what it says.
trump has the ability right here to put this perhaps behind him if he wants to be honest about the -- this, well, but it tells you something about where mueller is. this is not just an investigation about obstruction of justice. this is about collusion. >> yes. and you're right. so listen, john. more details now. "the new york times" is reporting president trump pushed his lawyers to try to reach an agreement with mueller's team about sitting for an interview. do you believe this president wants to sit down with the special counsel or does he want it to seem that way to the public? >> i think it's the latter phase of the question. he wants it to seem that he wants to sit down. i'm sure his lawyers don't want him to sit down. but, you know, the man has such an ego. he might sincerely believe that he can somehow turn mueller to think his own investigation is a witch hunt. i doubt that he can do that. but trump's imagination seems to have no boundaries. >> yeah. that is an interesting way of putting it. all right, gentlemen, stick
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getting worse than watergate. why do you say that? >> i think this is worse than watergate because the system worked in water gate. it worked among other things, because republicans said what did the president know and when did he know it? and they pursued the truth unlike republicans on capitol hill today who have provided cover for donald trump to cover up in whatever has occurred here in this question of collusion and obstruction of justice. so that's the first big difference of why this is worse than watergate. on top of which we learned in watergate that president nixon was guilty of crimes that he, indeed, had undertaken authoritarian use of the powers of the presidency to order break-ins and it was republicans once again who said that cannot happen on our watch. the president must be held accountable. nor did we have a president in
nixon who sought to undermine the western alliance. so, you know, under president trump, putin has destabilized the united states of america and our electoral system. that did not happen under richard nixon. >> yeah. john, i want your take. is history repeating itself or is it becoming worse than watergate? what's your take? >> i've always used the title worse than watergate. >> you have? >> yes. about the torture in the bush administration, bush two which i thought was pretty bad, but i think we are in an area that's worse than water gate aside from python and ostrich coats which never made it to the watergate scene, we do have something that was unlike watergate in that a foreign adversary is involved in the hacking of the dnc. with watergate it started with just a bungled burglary and expanded from beyond that.
of course, the definition of watergate in the end meant far more than the burglary and cover up. it came to mean the abuse of power that nixon had demonstrated both preceding watergate and during watergate that marked it as a unique reason he would be likely impeached had he not resigned. so i think -- but i think we're beyond that. i think the points carl makes are well made. >> you think we're seeing a coverup right now? >> i think we're still in the middle of it, and i never feared for the country during watergate. i fear for the country and i fear for our democracy right now. i have a knot in my stomach. it's been there ever since donald trump won the election. never had that with nixon. i know he would ultimately apply and follow the law. with trump, i'm not sure. >> carl, you were saying absolutely? is that what you said? >> yes. among other things we've got to consider here, you talk about
bob woodward's book. one of the things that one would hope that we would see in the reporting from the newspapers, from the networks, from bob's book is the question of whether or not this president is acting in a competent and coherent manner, because every evidence that we see so far is that he is incoherent and not competent in terms of how he is conducting the presidency and the policies of the united states. that is a -- all of these questions are related to the russia investigation, to what we saw in helsinki. in helsinki, what the hell happened in helsinki? we don't know. did that occur, what we saw on the stage because of incompetence or because of nefariousness on the part of the president of the united states? this is unprecedented. we have never had a president of the united states whose loyalty
has been called into question by responsible members of both parties in the congress of the united states. it's never happened. >> john, carl has said president trump is unhinged in a way we've never seen publicly with nixon, with the tweeting and his behavior and what he does at rallies and on and on. privately was nixon unhinged? >> nixon had a drinking problem. he would get fairly loose late at night own get on the telephone and have some pretty unhinged conversations, but we went in the office in the morning and was cold sober. he wasn't somebody who drank on the job or totally lost control. there were checks that were placed on him late in watergate. his secretary of defense, for example, said listen, don't follow any extreme orders without clearing them with me first which is highly unusual. the secretary was worried he might try to use his war powers to somehow deflect from his
watergate problems. we're not there yet with trump. in fact, it's trump's incompetency right now that i take some comfort in. he doesn't know how to use the powers of the presidency the way nixon did, who was a student of the presidency, who had been in congress, who had been vice president before he became president. he knew where the levers were and how to work them. trump hasn't figured that out yet. >> i always enjoy my conversations with you gentlemen. thank you so much. when we come back the president attacking the media again tonight but his daughter had this to say. >> no, i do not feel the media is the enemy of the people. >> but he's not letting her have the last word, though. well, we're going to tell you how he's trying to explain away what you just heard her say there, next. when i received the diagnoses,
the first daughter ivanka trump did something today you'll rarely hear her do. that is contradict her father which apparently didn't sit well with the president since he promptly tried to explain it away. so i want to bring in now cnn contributor frank bruiny, amanda carpenter, who is author of "gaslighting america, why we love it when trump lies to us." thank you all for joining us. again, this is one of those examples think of don't believe what you see or hear unless it comes out of donald trump's mouth. right? ivanka was asked if she believes the media is the enemy of the people. this is her response. >> i've certainly received my fair share of reporting on me personally that i know not to be fully accurate, so i've had
some -- i have some sensitivity around why people have concerns and gripe, especially when they're sort of -- feel targeted but, no, i do not feel the media is the enemy of the people. >> why do you think she broke with her father? there's a whole lot there. what did you think? >> first, there's a lot of throat clearing at the beginning of that answer. you know, i think she broke with her father because she's in the midst of an image reset. an image overhaul. she's doing that interview because she's trying to come back out into public. she just got rid of the business. we had a story in our paper about a week ago that clearly reflected the fact that people around ivanka were saying you need to take a fresh look at her. she's getting her act together again. she's going to step back out on the stage. so she's breaking with her father. it's not that much of a break, because she's trying to tell the world what she said from the beginning. i have the name trump, but i'm
not in totally with my father. i'm different and modern. >> rehabilitating her image? >> yes. >> my question is and listen, i know it's tough. everyone who is in the public eye really gets media criticism. there are things people write about you that aren't true. much of it you cannot control. as -- so -- if i were in her shoes i would say as awful as that is, i am in a unique position to be able to have a front seat to creating -- to implementing policies that are good for the american people so no one should feel sorry for me because not everyone gets the opportunity i have in a lifetime to effect change the way i am. unless she said it after, i did not see that. >> she should hire you. >> it's so easy and simple. >> she's one of the most frustrating figures in the trump administration. you're right. she could do that. she wants to have it all. she's an opportunist. let's be really honest about
this. she went along for the ride. she want to be in washington. she had her glamorous instagram feed. she told us all along you want me here because i'm going to restrain him, i'm going to moderate him. i'm much better off here than anywhere else. she did nothing. she did not restrain him on climate change or trade or nafta. all the things where she supposedly had distance from her father, she did not restrain him on. now she steps out and says these things and she's trying to once again participate this image of herself, but to what effect? >> right. and even the children being separated at the border, apparently she didn't agree with that but never said anything about it publicly before it happened. amanda, what do you think of this? her response? >> well, she had to shut down
her business because no one was buying her dresses anymore. i think she needs to shut down the pseudo advisory role. no one is buying it. the problem is the remarks speak to the privilege that she enjoys in this white house as first daughter and adviser that she feels entitled to protect her brand rather than defend the words and policies of her boss like all other white house employees are expected to do. when she was asked about the family detention policies, she spoke to her feelings and said it's complicated, this isn't easy. and i feel very emotional about this issue. that's just very hard to buy when we've heard the cries of children, parents, you know, mothers and fathers on tape and we're supposed to believe she feels badly about it and so we should just give them a pass. was she not in the room for the zero tolerance planning policies? because that pain was the policy. that was supposed to be -- >> and that's her role as an adviser, to advise her father. >> right. >> here's what the president
tweeted. they asked my daughter whether or not the media is the enemy of the people. she correctly said no. it is the fake news which is a large percentage of the media that is the enemy of the people. if we break it down, right, he couldn't handle his daughter contradicting him. again, as i said this is one of those don't believe what you hear and see things. that's what she said. she said i don't believe the media. she didn't say the fake media, she said the news media. >> no, and she gave a good, honest answer. it's one we would expect to hear from someone in the white house. but there's no other employee that the president would play cleanup for on twitter, and if you want to see the difference in her status in that white house, look at her remarks which, again, i welcome, and how they contrast with what sarah huckabee sanders said at the briefing where she was asked i think three times by jim acosta why won't you say that the press isn't the enemy of the
people? and she every time acted aggrieved like i've been attacked too. that's the president's view and i'm sticking by it. there's a huge gap. >> amanda, you brought it up. this is what -- she also broke her silence on family separation. this is what she said. >> that was a low point for me as well. i feel very strongly about that, and i am very vehemently against family separation and the separation of parents and children, so i would agree with that sentiment. i think immigration is incredibly complex as a topic. illegal immigration is incredibly complicated. >> so 572 children, by the way, remain, frank, separated from their parents and there are different reasons why. but they say some of them may not belong -- you know, they have all kind of excuses. some of them may be true.
benefit of the doubt with that, but still, this was handled very poorly from the beginning. that audio of the children crying that amanda mentioned that came out in mid-june, it galvanized the country and said oh, my gosh, this is great. wouldn't that have been or even before the time for her to speak out? i'm wondering if everyone is -- what do you think of this sort of profile and courage or is it not -- >> i mean, she wants total sympathy and no responsibility and no accountability. and that's what she's wanted from the beginning. i got to say i'm a little offended when she's talking about how emotional it was for her, how much it disappointed her, et cetera. we heard nothing from her privileged vantage point about how this came to be. about why this happened in the first place. about why it went on as long as it did. about what they're doing to remedy it. no, we're hearing nothing of that. and she's supposedly a close
advisor of the president making a positive impact, but we heard nothing substantive. we heard about how down it made her feel. well, i'm a lot more worried about the children than ivanka trump. >> thank you both. appreciate it. when we come back, president telling the world tonight what a great meeting he had with vladimir putin just hours after his top intel people confirm that putin's russia is a serious threat to our democracy. it's league night!? 'saved money on motorcycle insurance with geico! goin' up the country. bowl without me. frank.' i'm going to get nachos. snack bar's closed. gah! ah, ah ah. ♪ ♪ i'm goin' up the country, baby don't you wanna go? ♪ ♪ i'm goin' up the country, baby don't you wanna go? ♪ geico motorcycle, great rates for great rides.
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glasser is here. good evening to you. >> thank you, don. >> what do you make of the timing of all of this? why today of all days did the white house choose to trot out all these intelligence people to talk about the russia threat? >> you know it's a good question. i think we're looking at extended play clean-up duty from the helsinki summit. clearly there was a sense that even among members of his own party felt that trump had gone too far in lavishing praise on vladimir putin and raising questions in the press conference with putin about his own intelligence agency's conclusion. so i think what you saw today was extraordinary briefing in the white house by five senior top intelligence officials and other national security officials. they are all single from the same page and saying not only that they agree this election interferen interference occurred in 2016, but they are determined to make sure it doesn't repeat in 2018. the one guy missing is president
trump and he contradicted them essentially a few hours later never mentioning this important priority of his government and once again calling the russia investigation a hoax. >> so, susan, the president talked about the helsinki summit. he spoke of it as a boxing match tonight. and you actually use that analogy in one of your articles. >> well, you know, i have to say i was wondering where president trump got this. he said a couple times including tonight after helsinki -- you know, those people in washington, they just wanted me to have a boxing match with vladimir putin. but, hey, i'm giving diplomacy a chance. it was a great meeting. well, actually it was a long-time state department diplomat who told me in the run up to helsinki, he said that he worried that trump was so unprepared for the meeting that he would be like an amateur boxer going up against muhammad ali. that's the only boxing analogy that i'm aware of before the summit. of course, he wasn't saying that trump should get in there and punch vladimir putin. he was saying that the united states is not being represented
by a president who is really prepared to go toe to toe with someone our government or the rest of our government considers an adversary. remember, putin has been leader of russia for 18 years now. he's met with four consecutive american presidents -- four total american presidents. trump's three predecessors have come out feeling in many ways that they misread vladimir putin and didn't get what they wanted out of the relationship. so yeah, i think a lot of people would agree he was like an amateur up against a pro like muhammad ali in that meeting. but it's interesting, isn't it, that it really stuck with president trump. he seemed stung by that criticism. >> and just hours, though, susan. he firmly stated russian interference has happened and continues to be a threat. the president says he had a great meeting with putin and called out the russian hoax. these are quotes, russian hoax, great meeting. what message does that send,
let's say, to the russians? >> i think that is an important point that you're bringing up, don. because, you know, putin has always been a believer that only his peers, presidents and other leaders really matter. i remember when i was based in moscow during george w. bush's presidency and he, putin was getting some criticism from colin powell, from the u.s. ambassador at the time, and he and his advisors basically said, yes, but we haven't heard this from the president himself. therefore, this criticism doesn't matter. and i believe that that is the way vladimir putin would look at this situation and say basically, we'll let trump's bureaucracy say whatever they need to say, but the president himself has assured me as recently as helsinki that he doesn't take this seriously. and i think that putin would get the message that this is a divided government and that the president himself is not on the same page as his own bureaucracy, which, by the way, is the right message to get.
it's very clear a year and a half into this, no matter how many times his advisors go out there and say that they care about russian interference and are determined to do something about it, that trump himself has not -- is not on board with that policy. >> susan glass e, thank you, have a good rest of your evening. >> thank you. >> we'll be right back. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely. but allstate actually helps you drive safely... with drivewise. it lets you know when you go too fast... ...and brake too hard. with feedback to help you drive safer. giving you the power to actually lower your cost. unfortunately, it can't do anything about that. now that you know the truth... are you in good hands? i do. check out the new united explorer card. saving on this! saving on this! saving in here. rewarded!
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to bomb them. so to keep that negotiation lukewarm at best, and to continue chipping away at the international sanctions regime. this sanctions regime as we learned from the u.n. report is like swiss cheese, there are so many holes in it. north korea is violating the import ban, the export ban, they're selling conventional arms to bad actors in libya and yemen, and we know that china and russia are very supportive of lifting sanctions on north korea while all of that is happening, so north korea's best bet is let's keep talking to the united states, let's keep producing ballistic missiles and nuclear weapons, and keep trying to get china and russia to pressure the united states to lift sanctions in the interim. >> and speaking of russia, pompeo's warning to enforce north korean sanctions, given that russia uses a lot of workers from north korea, will russia listen to that? and what's really going on with
the latest poll shows the candidates neck in neck. this is a big swing from a little more than a month ago when the republicans led by ten points. sarah westwood is in new jersey where he is tweeting ahead of the rally. what do we expect from him in ohio? >> reporter: christi, president trump is taking a break from his working vacation in new jersey to head to that ohio rally later today for balderson who is in a tough race. trump has been active on twitter, tweeting twice support of the candidate's record on border security and the second amendment and took a swipe at nancy pelosi who republicans have sought to use as a foil, particularly in this race but also in dozens of other republican contests around the country. sources tell cnn that trump aides hope to use political rallies and events like the one tonight to distract the president from the russia
investigation as trump is said to be increasingly frustrated about the russia probe, the fact it is still going on, the fact that it continues to pull focus away from his agenda. president trump will head to this rally as his lawyers are continuing to negotiate the final details of a sit down interview with mueller, and as his campaign manager paul manafort stands trial for tax fraud and money-laundering. sources tell cnn trump is angry about the details flowing out of the manafort trial which began this week. so the ohio rally could be an important distraction for trump as republicans are working hard to prevent democrats from noc notching another victory. >> thanks very much. matt foreman, communications director joins us. we saw the numbers, 44% for
balderson. >> he is going to energize, galvanize republicans. it is important. every vote matters in a tight special election like this. we expect him to talk about troy's record, fought opioid abuse and human trafficking while in the senate. the contrast between troy and danny o'connor. he supports the tax cuts that helped the economy, helped with economic growth and helped wages rise. that's the key contrast tonight and also in the special election. >> the president does have good news to talk about gdp growth, 4.1%. unemployment rate falling to 3.9%. as i understand it, o'connor has been hammering balderson for backing the tax plan. they say tax cuts are going to threaten social security, going to threaten medicare.
do you think that's part of the reason that there's a shrinking gap in numbers and how might the president try to change that tonight with this particular audience because this audience also is full of farmers and people who may be concerned with tariffs as well. >> it is going to be tight. no doubt about that. special elections are special for a reason. i think a key point is that a lot of liberal donors and money have been flooding the greater columbus district from outside ohio, and that changed a lot. i don't think danny o'connor has been honest about his position for last week, for instance, after running adds disavowing nancy pelosi, he admitted he would vote for her for speaker. danny o'connor is dishonest, lying about his vote for speaker and lying about balderson's record. >> mistakes are made that could be detrimental. the president earlier tweeted congressman steve stivers of
president. we have to see what happens. we tell members you need to do what's right for your district. when it comes down to it, our children has spoken out about some of the effects it would have in his district and folks in minnesota and iowa. you need to do what's right for your district. we don't have a top down approach on how you handle candidates. people in heavily democratic districts held by republicans. >> i want to ask you one more thing about this remarkable moment this week where president trump came out and talked about how the russia interference is a hoax, he did so just after all his national security leaders came out and said we know that they have been interfering. we just talked a couple hours ago to representative ryan costello of pennsylvania. he had something to say about that separation between the president and his national
leaders. let's take a look here. >> the president has missed the mark here in terms of coming down forcefully and clearly against russia and its election interference, but the director of homeland security, the national director of intelligence, national security adviser, those are the folks we should be listening to as it relates to russian interference in the election. we just have to set aside what the president may have said at a rally or at a summit overseas and place our faith in those administration officials who have been tasked with this obligation. >> i think what's striking about that, matt, is that this is a republican in congress who is telling people to set aside what the president says. how did you tell republicans who are going to vote that their vote will count and that it matters if they may be needing more clarity, they may be
needing more confidence. >> what you saw there is why congressman costello is in a tight even district. obviously that might be an agreement with the president or disagreement. that's common with candidates like troy balderson across the country. people whether in ohio on tuesday but also this fall will focus on economic issues. they understand what we have seen with the economy come roaring back and are not following day to day of the russian investigation and other things that consume cable news chatter on twitter. >> you're right. people don't pay close attention all the time to the russian investigation, but they do pay attention to the fact they want their vote to matter, they want their vote to count. when you've got national leaders in the intelligence community coming out and saying this is happening rngs there is an -- happening, there is an
interference, there has to be concern about that very thing. do you have concerns about president trump alientating people outside his -- alienating people outside his base which hinders growth of his base? >> president trump's approval ratings are like barbells. there's a strong contingent that are enthusiastic that oppose the president and there's a strong base of support that approve. those people who disapprove of the president are going to come out and vote. we need to be sure that president trump galvanizing his base of supporters in that district and make sure they vote, too. it is important that troy go to the house, is elected to be a voice for ohio, and the agenda he supports. >> what if he doesn't, what if he loses? >> excuse me? >> what if he loses, what is the consequence of that? >> i am not getting into hypothetical scenarios, we wake up every morning as if we're ten
points down. we understand we're in a fight and we understand that history is against us. only once after 9/11 in 2002 has the president's party gained seats in the house in their first midterm election. however, there's a reason for optimism. i talked about it at length. soaring economy, great candidates like troy, and members across the country like barba barbara comstock, and also nancy pelosi, the most unpopular politician in every district in the country. that's a fact. there's a clear choice between the gop majority and our agenda to get the economy going again, going back to the days of speaker pelosi and single payer health care. >> a lot of people are watching ohio tuesday. thank you so much. appreciate you being here. >> thanks for having me. stay with us this hour. we're going to speak with the chairman for the ohio democratic party coming up in a half hour. robert mueller's team spoke
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striking. it was drawn in 2010 after the redistricting then to make it more republican. the republican incumbent that stepped down to create the open seat won 67%, 68%, 64% in the last three elections. comfortably republican in the 2016, 2012, 2008. 86% white. but it is the most educated district in ohio, highest income district in ohio, and that's exactly where donald trump, the price of the trump presidency, the trade he is imposing on the party is that he is strengthening in small town areas but losing traditionally republican voters in white collar suburbs. if you look at the poll, the monmouth poll earlier in the hour, he is looking at a 60% disapproval rating among college educated white women in the district, nearly half of college educated white men. the democrat hasn't succeeded in harvesting all of those
diseffected white collar republican leaning voters for himself, and that is a critical challenge for democrats, but it is the president's erosion in white collar suburbs, particularly around columbus, that created the opening for democrats to compete in the district where historically they haven't been competitive before. >> democrats are hoping those in the suburbs are going to stay home? in other words not going to cast a vote? >> i think they're hoping to switch. this is similar to the district that connor lamb won in pennsylvania a few months ago outside pittsburgh. it is a district that starts in suburban areas and radiates into more rural areas. these happen to be suburban areas more republican than others in the state, further out from columbus, delaware county which is a rock rib republican county. these are the kind of places. you look in new jersey, suburbs of philadelphia, northern virginia, suburbs of chicago,
denver, minneapolis, orange county, california where i am, this is the epicenter of republican vulnerability in 2018. not the only vulnerability but it is where i think the risk is most highly concentrated. donald trump is underperforming among those voters who are doing well economically, but who view him as an affront to values in many cases. >> before we run out of time, let me bring this up. you're raising a great point and this goes along with that. while trump is prepared for ohio, new details come out in the russian investigation, and the woman known as the manhattan madam, kristin davis who went to jail for running a prostitution ring and sat down for interview with the special counsel team last week. on the surface does it appear she's somehow connected to the russia investigation, ron, or why is robert mueller interested in this former madam and how does it play into his total investigation?
>> you know, sara murray that reported this story for cnn said we don't know exactly. we have seen the pattern with paul manafort that the special counsel is looking broadly at these targets in the investigation to try to find, to understand their dealings more broadly and where it may be relevant. she may either know something from her period working directly for roger stone or she may be of interest as a way of creating pressure on roger stone. either way i think what we have learned is that the special counsel is developing a 360 view of targets in this investigation. i don't mean targets in the legal sense, i mean targets of the investigation, and he is basically learning everything that there is to be learned about them either as a way of finding vulnerabilities that might be irrelevant to the russian investigation or
creating pressure on them. >> all of this will play on the mienl minds of voters tuesday in ohio. >> amazing we're talking about this district. >> really is. thanks very much. appreciate the insight. >> thank you, martin. the tsa is looking to save money, are going to do so by cutting crucial security measures. which measures? we'll tell you. can be relentless. tremfya® is for adults with moderate to severe plaque psoriasis. i'm ready. with tremfya®, you can get clearer. and stay clearer. in fact, most patients who saw 90% clearer skin at 28 weeks stayed clearer through 48 weeks. tremfya® works better than humira® at providing clearer skin, and more patients were symptom free with tremfya®. tremfya® may lower your ability to fight infections and may increase your risk of infections. before treatment,
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meyer is on administrative leave from the powerhouse football program of osu. at issue, when did he know about the abuse allegations? >> kaylee hartung is with us now. we know meyer sounded very optimistic he will return to the sidelines, yes? >> christi, what urban meyer is trying to do is make it clear he believes he followed proper protocol and procedure. this is a man that's a husband, a father to two daughters, a leader of many young men. he recognizes how he has been portrayed in the media since the story broke as a man who's indifferent to domestic violence and who didn't take action when needed. he issued a strongly worded statement on twitter yesterday saying, quote, here's the truth. while at the university of florida and now at the ohio state university, i have always followed proper reporting protocols and procedures when i learned of an student athlete,
coach or member of our staff by elevating the issues to the proper channels. now it broadens to what did urban meyer know, what did the university and athletic director know. when this story broke open and up ended the college football world, there was little room for debate whether courtney smith was a victim of domestic violence. there were text messages and photos to support her claims. now zach smith is speaking out for the first time with a very different version of events. >> anything that happened to her body was all just defensive movements to remove myself to the situation and that's it. i'm not going to get charged because i didn't do anything wrong. >> his denial goes against the mountain of evidence against him but it also brings to light the fact that the police made the university, made the ohio state
university aware of the allegations against him. what you can imagine, christi and martin, is that there is a paper trail that builds a time line to help us understand who knew what and when. >> yeah. there's still a lot more we need to know in this story. no doubt, an incredible, incredible fall from grace for this coach for the time being. we'll see how it plays out. kaylee hartung, thank you. >> thank you. so the tsa is considering eliminating security screenings among other things at more than 150 small and medium sized airports across the country. the new internal document obtained by cnn shows the tsa could save more than $300 million under the new measures. cnn aviation and government regulation correspondent rene marsh has more for us. >> reporter: a new internal tsa document cnn exclusively obtained shows the proposal to eliminate screening at more than 150 small to medium size
airports is just one of several cost saving measures the agency is discussing. a senior tsa employee tells cnn the agency is looking at cuts that could save more than $300 million in 2020. one cut, reducing the number of air marshals, eliminating screening at small airports, staffing cuts at tsa headquarters, and changes to benefits being discussed. tsa did not comment. juliet juliette kayyem is concerned. >> ending security at certain airports, ending or flat lining the air marshall service are inconsistent. if you're going to decrease security at certain airports, what you would want to do is increase the presence of air marshals and other security features just in case. >> reporter: cnn revealed the most controversial cut, eliminating screening at small airports like this one in
redding, california where bryant garrett is the manager. >> since i as the airport don't want to take on that liability nor the cost and i'm quite certain the airlines don't want to take that on, so if tsa backs out, there's a void and i don't know who would fill it. >> reporter: air marshals are the last line of defense, armed agents aboard planes to prevent hijackings. the tsa defended the program as a deterrent. agencies discuss where to trim all the time, but the big question congress and likely the american public is asking and would like explained is whether the cuts are being considered because the threat and risk to aviation has changed or is this just an indication that the agency is under extreme pressure to cut costs. rene marsh, cnn, washington. still ahead, president trump
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talent and quality of candidates. former voters are open minded about looking for new candidates, and a candidate on the republican side, he said he couldn't name one thing he disagreed with trump with. people across this country -- >> that district, you talk about suburban columbus, i want to show you something else, the number of times the president came in to support a candidate, he has been highly successful. 19 wins to 4 losses. he is coming in today into ohio and he is going to back the republican, and i'm wondering, do you think it could make all the difference in favor of the republican candidate? >> again, if you look at this district, the president is slightly underwater in this district, moderates are not
impressed, particularly suburban women. he may energize voters. my guess is a lot of people won't be from the district, but he will repeat the reasons people are energized against him. people want checks and balances in this country now, even republicans, independents certainly do. when you have a candidate on one side, the republican here who can't name one thing he disagrees with trump on, that's not a check and balance. our candidate has said he thinks we need new leadership in washington, he is willing to work with republicans on issues where we can make progress, he is also willing to stand up. that's the kinds of leadership people are looking for now. >> real quick. hold on. this is going to hinge on turnout. who shows up at the polls. that's got to be as much a concern for you as republicans. it is a special election. it is the middle of summer, a time when many people aren't thinking politics. >> right. absolutely. right now we have hundreds of volunteers out all over the
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area, ostensibly to rally for a representative locked in a dead heat in the house race. he seems more interested in pleasing his base than boosting candidates. earlier, he stumped in pennsylvania for lou barletta, going up for a seat against bob casey. but he spent time listing his grievances against the media and touting his accomplishments, and when talking about lou barletta's opponent, trump described that as the boring stuff because sources tell cnn that president trump is increasingly frustrated with the russia investigation, the fact that it's still going on and seemingly produced no evidence of collusion. but the probe could be far from over, as president trump's legal team is continuing to negotiate the final details of a potential sit-down interview between president trump and special counsel robert mueller. and aides tell cnn that they hope by filling trump's schedule
with these political events, they can help take trump's mind off the investigation, can improve his worsening mood in the ohio special election could provide a crucial opportunity for president trump to do just that as republicans are really hoping to avoid another democratic victory in a district that trump won easily just two years ago. christi. >> all righty. sarah westwood, thank you so much. appreciate it. well, there's a new twist in the russia investigation. sources tell cnn robert mueller's team has interviewed the woman known as the manhattan madam. here's cnn political correspondent sara murray with a look at the possible connection to the collusion probe. >> reporter: kristin davis, the woman known as the manhattan madam, meeting with special council robert mueller's team for a voluntary interview earlier this week, sources tell cnn. investigators apparently interested in her ties to longtime trump adviser roger stone. she and stone have been close friends for a decade. investigators also expressed
interest in having davis testify before a grand jury. the latest indication prosecutors are aiming to build a case against stone. davis' lawyer declined to comment. in a statement, stone tells cnn, "kristin davis is a longtime friend and associate of mine. i am the godfather to her 2-year-old son. she knows nothing about russian collusion, wikileaks collaboration, or any other impropriety related to the 2016 election, which i thought was the subject of this probe. i understand she appeared voluntarily. i am highly confident she will testify truthfully if called upon to do so. davis once ran a prostitution ring and went to jail surrounding the prosecution of eliot spitzer. >> the remorse i feel will always be with me. >> reporter: she's worked with stone over the years, and in late 2016, she joined his payroll to help him with clerical tasks. mueller's team has been looking into possible contact between stone and wikileaks founder
julian assange during the 2016 campaign. >> yeah, i followed assange's twitter feed. i had a goggle alert for him. i read every interview he gave. you could foreshadow what he was doing, but i'm not involved in any collusion or conspiracy with the russians or anyone else. and there's no evidence to the contrary. >> reporter: investigators have also been probing stone's finances and his personal life. people familiar with the situation say at least two witnesses were asked whether stone was actually the father of davis' son. earlier this week, stone posted a photo of davis and her child to instagram with this caption -- "why do fbi agents dispatched by robert mueller keep asking a number of my current and former associates if i am this baby's father? what does this have to do with russian collusion and the 2016 election?" now, this week, another former associate of roger stone, andrew miller, was also ordered to testify before the mueller grand jury. yet another indication of how the special counsel's team seems to be circling around roger
stone. sara murray, cnn, washington. >> sara, thank you so much. a commentary writer for "the washington examiner" is here, along with joey jackson, legal analyst and defense attorney. thank you both for being with us. saraj, i want to ask you, the fact that mueller even met with her at all, what does that tell you about the trajectory of where this is going and where it's headed? >> there are likely two possible outcomes to this trajectory, christi, one of which is trying to paint a broader picture of the trump campaign during the 2016 election and trying to get a sense of what roger stone knew as opposed to, you know, what he actually dealt with in terms of with the russian government, whatever foreign interest, like in the instance of paul manafort, who is now being, you know, held in, you know, looking at particularly the judge
trump campaign. you don't have that link. and so, we can't look at this particular madam investigation and her voluntary cooperation at this point in isolation. we have to view it in the broader picture. they are, the federal government, investigating stone. stone has had contact -- right, remember guccifer, which was a twitter handle tied back to the russians and russian intelligence officers. so, why is someone who is close to trump, who is involved in the campaign, who is a strategist, communicating with the russians? what's the link, if any? what's the inappropriate, untoward, or even illegal act, if any? so, in order to know that, you go to the associates who know roger stone to discuss his m.o., to discuss what he's doing, who he's communicating with, what you know him, you know, ultimately to do in terms of transacting with people, and then potentially you get that. remember, christi, final word is that, you know, generally people, if they do commit crimes, not suggesting he has,
they don't just do it in the bright of day, right? they do it in the dark of night. so you have to look at all types of associations in order to determine whether there's something inappropriate. so, that's why they're looking at stone, because he could provide the critical link that would lead to the "c" question, collusion -- again, i'm sorry -- conspiracy, since this collusion, no collusion, collusion's not a crime, conspiracy is, and that's why they're looking at it. >> got you. i want to move to the manafort trial. 18 charges, tax and banking crimes here for paul manafort from a campaign chair for president trump. interesting this week the accountants who testified here, particularly cindy laporta. she testified that her firm falsified a loan amount at the request of rick gates to help manafort pay less taxes. does that, joey, play right into the defense that gates was the one facilitating all of this and that manafort didn't know anything about it? >> short answer, christi,
absolutely not. you know, big picture, again, on this. i do not understand why he would be, that is, manafort, taking the case to trial. understand that of the 18 counts in the indictment, prosecutors need one victory. do the math from a statistical perspective, and you tell me how you get out from under that. and so, the only thing i could think, again, big picture, is that he's holding out for a pardon. we know that the president doesn't like the investigation. we know the president has stated that he believes manafort's treated unfairly. and so, this could be a very well and academic exercise in as much as after the fact, should he be convicted -- i think he will -- he'll be pardoned. but to your point, looking at the accountant's testimony, the bookkeeper's testimony, when you look at documentary evidence speaking to the issue of forged documents, e-mails which essentially prove and corroborate the falsity of the documents, offshore foreign accounts that were never disclosed, you wonder, wow!
this doesn't turn on rick gates and his testimony alone, which the defense would like to attack and say he's the guy that's doing everything, and paul manafort was just along for the ride. there's much more compelling evidence in that. it does not turn on a word. it turns on documents. and when it does that and there's a paper trail, it's very hard to get from out under any type of prosecution, notwithstanding what defense you have. and so, i think this represents trouble. i think he'll be convicted. >> okay. so, he thinks he's going to be convicted, siraj. president trump's, outside of his association, i guess, with manafort -- because these are all alleged crimes that happened before he had any association with the pretsident, but that association between the two, other than the optics, is there any real risk to the president in a conviction for paul manafort here? >> the only real risks, really, is the president's reputation, because paul manafort has a reputation of being sort of a seedy lobbyist in washington who has been known to, you know, put his connections out there with
foreign governments and not disclose those connections. so, if you're looking at manafort and his connection to the trump campaign, sure, there may not be actual conspiracy to c collude with foreign governments, let alone the russian government, but there is a possibility that manafort may have used his connections to kind of leverage the trump campaign in a better position during the 2016 election, and that is probably why they are going after him in this regard. there isn't any evidence right now that manafort had anything to do with connecting the trump campaign to the russian government. >> right. >> we don't have that. but the fact that he is a part of it is just another stain on the campaign. >> yeah. the optics don't do any favors here. siraj hashmi and joey jackson, always appreciate your perspectives. thank you. >> thank you. u.s. intel chiefs say that russia may be trying to hack the midterms, but president trump is calling it all a big hoax. we'll ask our national security expert what to make of these mixed messages from washington.
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fda approved for over 18 years. president trump and his administration are sending mixed messages on russian election meddling, hours after his top national security officials warned that russia may be trying to hack u.s. elections again. the president called it a russian hoax during a rally. take a listen. >> the intelligence community continues to be concerned about
the threats of upcoming u.s. elections, both the midterms and the presidential elections of 2020. >> our democracy itself is in the crosshairs. >> make no mistake, the scope of this foreign influence threat is both broad and deep. >> now we're being hindered by the russian hoax. it's a hoax, okay? i'll tell you what, russia's very unhappy that trump won. >> all right, joining me now is juliette kayyem, former assistant secretary of the department of homeland security. good morning. >> good morning. >> so, let me ask you the obvious. what do you make of this incredible contradiction? >> it is hard to fathom in any other administration where you would have your national security apparatus stating the truth -- so it's not that there's mixed messages.
there is a factual, truthful message, which is the russians continue to try to infiltrate our campaign, social media, and disrupt our democratic processes. and then there is an untruth message, basically a lie, which is that all the russia discussion is a hoax. so, there's no way of melding the pieces. you just either have to accept that the president is off in his own land and the national security apparatus is going to do everything it can to protect the united states, or that the president is essentially, basically signaling to russia, as many people now wonder, that we will not do enough to stop him, to stop putin from doing this again in 2018. so, it's just -- it's unfathomable that this exists right now, but i think we've sort of gotten used to it, of these sort of two different worlds, the national security world, fact-based world, and then donald trump's tweets and statements. >> and the president's
statements are especially important when it comes to trying to deter the russians from doing this again, because he's the one that's going to say, hey, if you do, this is what's going to happen. and yet, he doesn't. so, we can try and protect our system as much as possible, but part of that deterrence is the message coming out of the leader of the free world. >> that's exactly right. so, i've been calling this come hither collusion. you know, we have all these discussions about collusion in 2016 and whether it's been proved. but i think if you put all the facts together about what donald trump has done -- he's denied that the russians -- you know, he's denied sort of the facts about what the russians did in 2016. the republicans have sort of denied funding to state and locals to prepare for it. trump says he has a good relationship with putin, never really challenges him. trump seems to be signaling, right, to the extent that national security is as much about, you know, war and military efforts as it is about the united states signaling to our adversaries that we will not
tolerate certain conduct, trump is signaling to putin that he does not view russia's infiltration as a problem, so it's sort of what i call the come hither, right? and any rational russian, right, including putin, would look at what donald trump is saying and believe that this president is not concerned and is not putting the full force of our apparatus to protect the united states. so, i have to say, i welcome what the national security team did this week. i think it's important for them to have done it, but you can't fight a war without your commander in chief, right? and they don't have the commander in chief on board. >> i'm going to play you a sound bite from former cia director leon panetta. he says he's very concerned about this, obviously. listen. >> i have never in my lifetime seen an administration that is presenting such a confused message when it comes to a
national security threat. and the fact is that it's sending a very mixed message to both our enemies and our allies that the united states does not have a clear policy when it comes to russia. >> so, he's sort of reconfirming there what we were just talking about, juliette. i was glad to hear these intel chiefs come out and very strongly say that this is not going to be tolerated. i didn't hear a whole lot of what's being done. so, what is being done? what do you know of what we're trying to do to prevent this russian meddling? >> okay, so, there's two pieces to what's being done. one is clearly -- the best sort of policy would be to have the russians stop doing what they're doing. so, to that extent, having the national security team essentially name and shame what's going on, expose what the russians are trying to do, because it's through that transparency that either the russians, you know, stop doing it, or people like us and law enforcement, intelligence
officials are aware of what the russians are doing. so, that's one way of doing it. so, that's sort of offense. the other way is, of course, defense. prepare ourselves for whatever might happen, in particular on the state and local level. this is the world i lived in at the department of homeland security. preparing the state and locals for whether it's the, you know, infiltration of the voting apparatus, disruptions to voting on the day of. that is also being addressed on the state and local level. there is support for them. but without a -- i would say without a leadership that is basically fighting this war every day -- i don't like using the war analogy, but we're under attack, right? there's no other way to put it. without the leadership, these efforts will not be as successful as they could be. we tend to believe, outside of this -- you know, people not inside this believe oh, well, there's not much we can do, we can't fight this.
that's just actually not true. france during their most recent election was able to combat some of the russian infiltration. germany was. there's techniques that can be used. we're not -- but that required their leadership, and that is not occurring here in the united states. >> juliette kayyem, as always, we appreciate the intelligent insight you bring. thank you. >> thank you. well, we're having some very candid conversations with the family of that missing university of iowa student. straight ahead, how a small community is keeping the focus of bringing her home and where that investigation stands now. ot finding a new apartment? yeah... but popping these things really helps me...relax. please don't, i'm saving those for later. at least you don't have to worry about renters insurance. just go to geico.com. geico helps with renters insurance? good to know. been doing it for years. that's really good to know. i'll check 'em out.
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like you hear back from her? >> yeah. i did this morning, but i don't want to talk about it. >> reporter: on july 18th, mollie was dropped off at a boyfriend's house to dogsit while he was out of town, and then was later seen jogging. no one has seen her since, but neighbors dave and mary jo kallum say they used to see her all the time. >> she'd come down the road, and if i was over there working, you know, in my flowers, i'd, you know, she'd just wave and say hi, and off she'd go, because that's the house right down here. >> that's where her boyfriend -- >> that's where her boyfriend lives, yeah. >> right down there, that white house. it's just like this girl walking by. >> like this girl now. now i pay attention to what they have on, you know? she's got a headband, she's talking on her phone -- >> color of her shoes, color of her top, her shorts. >> because -- >> but before, we never would pay any attention, you know. we'd just glance and wave. >> reporter: they were some of the first volunteers who searched for mollie. >> we went to corn fields. >> the corn fields. >> and we walked corn fields
presence with me. you know, sometimes i just feel her sitting on my shoulder. >> just hang in there. just hang in there. we're fighting like hell. we've got a great law enforcement team. the community's all behind you. media's helping. the whole country's in love with you, pie! we'll find you. >> where does pie come from? >> we call her pie. i've called her pie since she was a baby. >> mollie's dad lives in california, and he told me that he's going to stay in iowa until authorities tell him that he is no longer a help. he is there, he says, for the long haul. and police are being very quiet about that investigation. we'll continue, of course, to follow it and let you know what we hear. houston police say the man wanted in the murder of a cardiologist who once treated former president george h.w. bush took his own life after being confronted by police. dr. mark hausknecht was killed
while riding his bike to work last month. according to police, a neighbor identified the suspect as joseph papis from surveillance video, and bullets found in his garage are the same as those recovered from the scene of the murder, according to authorities. authorities believe that he harbored a 20-year grudge against hausknecht after pappas' mother died on the doctor's operating table. las vegas police have closed their investigation into last year's deadly concert shooting without giving a motive. last year, stephen paddock, you'll remember, killed 58 people and injured hundreds more when he began shooting from the 32nd floor of the mandalay bay resort and casino. according to the 187-page report, paddock acted alone and there were no signs that he had links to any hate groups or terrorist organizations. investigators did find 14 bank accounts associated with the shooter, who was a high-stakes gambler. well, mike pompeo met north korea's foreign minister this morning. there were friendly smiles and
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we had a quick, polite exchange. our u.s. delegation also had an opportunity to deliver a reply to chairman kim's letter." >> but despite this, north korea is continuing to develop its nuclear and missile program, in violation of international sanctions. cnn senior international correspondent ivan watson is now live from singapore. good to see you, ivan. what did the north korean foreign minister say this morning? >> reporter: you know, we didn't hear him say anything, but there was this odd, you know, printed statement that was found in the press center on the sidelines of this gathering here that was a five-page statement from the north koreans. martin and christi, this is such a peculiar diplomatic dance here. you've got the top diplomats from the u.s. and north korea who are on the one hand being kind of very complimentary to each other and to the historic meeting that took place here in singapore a little bit less than two months ago between president
trump and north korean leader kim jong-un, but then they have some sharp words for each other, like mike pompeo coming here and saying that north korea's acting inconsistent with the commitments that kim made towards denuclearization and urging southeast asian nations to maintain diplomatic and economic pressure on north korea, going one step further, accusing russia of helping north korea evade united nations sanctions. take a listen. >> we have seen reports that russia is allowing for joint ventures with north korean firms and granting new work permits to north korean guest workers. if these reports prove accurate, and we have every reason to believe that they are, that would be in violation of u.n. security council resolution 2375. i want to remind every nation that has supported these resolutions that this is a serious issue and something that
we will discuss with moscow. >> reporter: now, there wasn't a formal bilateral meeting between pompeo and the north korean foreign minister, though pompeo went out of his way to shake hands with him during a group photo op. now, the north korean foreign minister put out this statement that had some pointed words of criticism for the u.s., accusing of it "raising its voice louder for maintaining sanctions against the dprk and showing the attitude to retreat even from declaring the end of war, a very basic and primary step for providing peace on the korean peninsula," also accusing the u.s. of trying to convince other countries not to send high-level delegations to an anniversary celebration in north korea in september. so, again, a very odd diplomatic dance by these two top diplomats. >> yeah, very strange indeed. ivan watson, we appreciate it
greatly. thanks. >> thank you, ivan. ohio state's head football coach is back-tracking now regarding his statements about a fired assistant accused of domestic abuse. coy wire, what's going on? >> good morning to you, christi. first, urban meyer said he didn't know about an alleged incident involving his former assistant. now he says he did. what did he know and why was he misleading? that's coming up on "new day." this is not a bed. it's a high-tech revolution in sleep. the new sleep number 360 smart bed. it intelligently senses your movement and automatically adjusts on each side to keep you both comfortable. and snoring? how smart is that? smarter sleep. to help you lose your dad bod, train for that marathon, and wake up with the patience of a saint. the new sleep number 360 smart bed, from $999. smarter sleep will change your life. where in all of this is the stuff that matters?
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involving his former assistant coach, zach smith, and smith's ex-wife, courtney. here meyer was denying knowledge of this incident. >> i got a text late last night that something happened in 2015, and there was nothing, unless, once again, there's nothing -- once again, i don't know who creates a story like that. >> but late friday, meyer, who is now on paid leave, released a nearly 500-word statement, saying he did report the 2015 incident, following proper protocols, and he apologized for being misleading, saying in part, "my words, whether in a reply to a reporter's question, or in addressing a personal issue, must be clear, compassionate, and most of all, completely accurate. unfortunately, at big ten media days on july 24th, i failed on many of these fronts." meyer said he wasn't prepared to discuss sensitive, personal issues regarding smith, who he had fired just one day prior to big ten media days after smith was served a protection order on behalf of his ex-wife. zach smith told espn he thinks
meyer handled the 2015 incident properly. >> he found out the facts he needed to find out as the head coach of ohio state and as my direct boss, and he needed to make decisions based on those facts. i don't think it was his job to investigate, to ask questions, to talk to her, talk to -- he only had to talk to me to make sure, because he already got the other side of the story from the incident report, and so he wanted to know what really happened from me, and then he let the police do their job. coming from somebody who knows -- i was in all the meetings. i know exactly what he did. if he loses his job, it's flat wrong, and this is the guy who fired me. >> ohio state university has formed a six-person committee to investigate meyer's handling of the alleged incident from 2015. we will stay on top of that story for you. now, let's switch gears and bring you an inspiring story of determination and perseverance from the sports world. that's steelers linebacker ryan shazier walking around under his own power at training camp. remember, less than a year ago,
he suffered a serious spinal injury during a game, leaving him unable to walk. he says his dream is to get back out on that field and play in the nfl again some day. he's tweeting out, asking everyone to keep shalieving. ryan, we wish you the best on your journey back. >> no doubt. coy, thank you. >> you're welcome. >> thanks, coy. just ahead, the tsa looking to save money by cutting out crucial security measures. details of why the cuts are coming at the expense of maybe your safety. so what do you guys want? pistachio. chocolate chip. rocky road. i see what's going on here. everybody's got different taste. well, now verizon lets you mix and match your family unlimited plans so everybody gets the plan they want, without paying for things they don't. jet-setting moms can video-chat from europe. movie-obsessed teens can stream obscure cinema. it's like everyone gets their own flavor of unlimited. (chuckles) it's a metaphor. simile, not a metaphor. hm. well played. (vo) one family. different unlimited plans.
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the new internal document obtained by cnn shows the tsa could save more than $300 million under these measures. >> which might make you think what else would get cut under the proposal. cnn aviation and government regulation correspondent rene marsh has more. >> reporter: a new internal tsa document cnn exclusively obtained shows the proposal to eliminate screening at more than 150 small to medium-size airports is just one of several cost-saving measures the agency is discussing. a senior tsa employee tells cnn the agency is looking at cuts that could save more than $300 million in 2020. one cut -- reducing the number of air marshals, eliminating screening at small airports, staffing cuts at tsa headquarters, and changes to benefits are also being discussed. tsa did not comment. juliette kayyem, a former official with department of homeland security under obama, is concerned. >> ending security at certain
airports, ending or flatlining the air marshal service are actually inconsistent, because if you're going to decrease security at certain airports, what you would want to do is increase the presence of air marshals or other security features just in case. >> reporter: cnn revealed the most controversial cut, eliminating screening at small airports like this one in redding, california, where bryant garrett is the manager. >> since i as the airport don't want to take on that, either the liability nor the cost, and i'm quite certain the airlines don't want to take that on. so, if tsa backs out, there's a void, and i don't know who would fill it. >> ladies and gentlemen, we are the police. remain calm. >> reporter: air marshals are the last line of defense, armed agents aboard planes to prevent hijackings. critics have questioned its effectiveness, but the tsa has defended the program as a deterrent. while agencies discuss where they can trim all the time, the big question that congress and
likely the american public is asking and would like explained is whether these cuts are being considered because the threat and risk to aviation has changed, or is this just an indication that the agency is under extreme pressure to cut costs? rene marsh, cnn, washington. >> and back with us, cnn national security analyst and former assistant secretary for the department of homeland security, juliette kayyem. thank you for sticking around. gauge for us, if you would, please, what kind of danger this does or does not put the public in. >> so, i want to just put this in perspective. look, agencies, including security agencies, are constantly reassessing their budgets and their priorities. budgets are just -- you know, money is just a way of reflecting what the policy should be. so, there's nothing surprising about tsa saying we want to cut here and not cut here. what's surprising is that these cuts are being made without any changes, at least from the public's perspective, and certainly congress' perspective,
to whether there is a threat reduction, whether there is a risk reduction, and whether those changes, in particular at these smaller airports, will be filled by alternatives or whether we're just going to leave a gap. so, that i think is the sort of pressing question right now, is, is this just tsa just saying, look, we need to save money, we're cutting across the board, or is this actually in response to, one would hope, changes in the risk assessment or the threat assessment. and right now we can't answer that question. >> all right. i think a lot of people are sitting home and thinking, wait a minute, i pay taxes every time i buy a plane ticket. you know, part of the fees go to security, and they're proposing decreasing security now. you can't imagine that the flights are going to take those fees away. >> no, not at all. i mean, that's exactly right. it's a good point to say this is actually our money, right, that is going to support what are the layer defenses at any airport. so, what tsa will say is, look,
if we take the air marshals or flatline the air marshals or end security at these smaller airports, there will be other features to compensate for it. i am not so sure about that. i mean, these smaller airports, to say that we're going to go from, you know, security to no security is a big leap. and what people like me prefer is not to view security as an on-off switch, you either have it or you don't. you actually can think of a variety of policies or options available that might increase or decrease the security, but from going from security to no security seems like a big jump, especially in light of the fact that for the last, you know, couple years, there has been sort of no discussion in the changes of the threat environment vis-a-vis airline security, which is just, just given the nature of 9/11, is just a different beast from security purposes that we've always focused on airline and aviation security, rightfully so, because the consequences are so great.
Brian Williams examines the day's top political stories and current political-campaign news.
this presidency, we will ask a celebrated historian if there is anything to celebrate in the history that we are witnessing. "the 11th hour" on a friday night begins now. >> good evening once again from our nbc news headquarters. day 561 of the trump administration and the end of another week brings a new sign of robert mueller's increasing interest in one of donald trump's veteran advisers. his friend of 40 years, roger stone. nbc news reports that according to a source with direct knowledge, a member of mueller's stone met with a stone associate named kristin davis. she first came to prominence when the tab lights nicknamed her the manhattan madam after she said she provided prostitutes to the rich and powerful including a governor of new york. davis said in july that the mueller representative who
contacted her lawyer asked if she would accept a subpoena or if the fbi needed to serb it to her. she said she would accept it. she worked if are stone for many years and others had already been subpoenaed. i am the godfather to her 2-year-old son. she knows nothing about russian collusion. wikileaks collaboration or any other impropriety related to the election which i thought was the subject of this probe. davis was at least one of stone associates said to be on mueller's radar. they remain interested in that june 2016 trump tower meeting and wants to talk to the russian singer who helped set it up. reports of a new angle in the russia investigation. the ongoing negotiations over a possible mueller interview and the trial of trump's former
very low iq. low iq. they can make anything bad. they are the fake, fake disgusting news. >> on that note, let's bring in the lead off panel for a friday night. jonathan allen, our political reporter and the coauthor of shattered about the hillary campaign. and former assistant watergate special counsel. the white house reporter for the associated press. if it's friday it must be new jersey. editor for the "los angeles times." welcome to you all. covering the vacationing president, i would like to begin with you. by the way, as long as presidents have vacationed, white houses have rushed in to say no, no, no. this is a working vacation. calling this a working vacation is one of the most traditional things this white house has ever done. having established that, you reported days ago this president
was in a very dark place. is he in any brighter confines even including the fact that he likes rallies like that for what we just saw? >> hey, brian. he is in one of the nation's great estates tonight. he won't be here for long as he heads back for a rally. last night he was in pennsylvania and portrayed where his mood was. he had a lot of venom, shall we say, towards the media. it came hours after his national security staff finally did what so many people wanted to hear for a long time. chastise russia for the election interference and outline steps to prevent them from doing it again while sounding the alarm. this thread is still very real from moscow and should be taken seriously. just six hours later in north eastern pennsylvania, the
president downplays it and suggests the whole thing is a hoax and turns withering scorn on the media there, suggesting that we were treating him unfairly. reappropriating fake news. no longer a report that he thinks is inaccurate, but unfair or unkind to him. and therefore labeling us sort of his enemy. though he didn't use enemy of the state, he described us as disgusting horrible people. this is the white house as you said. it's a working vacation. he made a series of phone calls to lawmakers. we didn't lay eyes on him. a day after behaving himself on twitter like he did today, we all expect it won't just be the news media, but the russia probe that followed him throughout the white house and bed minster. >> you covered the tour deforce in wilkes bury.
chuck schumer, referencing the other greatest hits. what's important about that is as he is ramping up, he is not trying to expand the republican base, but fire up his own supporters and get them energized. he has seen a president in his presidency throughout his presidency that has been static in terms of approval ratings. if his party is going to win in the mid-terms and preserve the majorities, it's going to be on the basis of every last republican turning out, particularly every last base supporter. we can expect to hear more and more of what we heard last night. >> jackie, you covered a story or two in the pantheon of bad weeks for donald trump. noting that this one started with him telling the ag to end the mueller investigation and after the intelligence community talked about the russia threat,
he called it a hoax. where does this rank in the short history of bad weeks? >> i actually think it's no worse, really, than some of the worst. when you look at it substantively, it was really important. when you think about it, here we are more than a year and a half after he has taken office. we are coming up on two years since he was elected. the unanimous consensus of the intelligence community is that we were attacked by our biggest adversar adversary, russia. for the first time in the past week, he presided over a meeting. the first time a meeting of his national security council and it lasted under an hour. maybe just a half hour before he went off to bed minster to his golf club for last weekend. this week, because the administration feels so on the defensive that they are not
it's not going too far to say to protect this country from the president. >> jill, jackie said a series of important things and now we need to know what it looks like from a lawyer's perspective. if you were rudy giuliani or jay sec low or the rask ins, attorneys at law, how would you view the past week? >> i would be very correspond. the president's actions have been more obstruction and no question that his tweets as attorney general sessions should stop the investigation is an active act of obstruction of justice. i also think his tweet that the hoax about hoax and the manafort trial saying there is no collusion and the trial is a hoax could be seen as jury tampering.
>> republicans just passed the biggest tax cuts in the history of our country. >> so jonathan, what is the white house process when the president goes out? >> the president has a pretty unconventional relationship with the truth, brian. for the most part, the white house process resembles this. i think that they try to clean up some of his stuff and they know there is a sense around the building and not just the white house aides, but those who he talks to late at night that the president needs to blow off steam. sometimes it happens on twitter and sometimes at rallies. let's also remember that this is snag predates his political career. from being a real estate developer in new york or recording tabloids, he would push his own version of the truth. he would lie to reporters and lie in public and do it so often, it seemed as if he was
convincing himself it was real. we are seeing that since the moment he came out of the escalator at trump tower, a lot of supporters are willing to go with him. republican who is trust and support trump trust him far more than the news media. the most telling of that real you just played is where he suggested vladimir putin did not want him to win. just a couple of weeks ago, putin was asked that question. who did you want to win in 2016 and he said donald trump. this is now an argument that the president made on twitter suggesting that it's the russians helping the democrats. not only can he not be taken at face value at the rallies, but this is hovering over him. the idea of russia and it colors everything he tries to do and the probe seems to be inching closer and closer to him and his family, i suggest that the
moments and that the pressure to end the investigation are only going to accelerate. >> as we watch that, we watch his position on all things russia hardening sharply. >> right and again in contrast to what we saw with the officials, all of whom at different times said russia had interfered in the 2016 election and might be doing so in 2018, they felt like they banded together and went to the white house briefing room and gave this stunning condemn nation of russia continuing to have this ongoing effort to undermine american democracy and the president of the united states split screen in wilkes bury and never mind what my top aides are saying and never mind that all of this is disrupting my relationship with putin who didn't want me to win. for those of us in the room in
helsinki when putin was asked that, you don't have to speak a lot of russian to know that the answer of do you want trump to win, he was like yes, yes, yes, i wanted trump to win. the lies mount up and it's so hard when you are in the room at those rallies to count them. they are coming so fast. you showed several clips. there must have been another half dozen at least. he said the sitting senator wants to abolish ice. not true. >> jackie, at the same time the assaults on the media are getting sharper and more frequent and the crowd is getting into it more. >> they are. it is really concerning. i don't think your audience can appreciate what it's like to be a reporter in the press pool when you are shepherded into the big rallies and you are coming
in as all in a group and the audience is looking at you and it's clear who the reporters are and the camera crews carrying their equipment. you get the hissing and the booing and the yelling and the middle fingers going up in the air. it's really threatening. what a lot of people don't know is during the presidential campaign, some of the correspondents had to have security. at one point secret service escorted them, but at other points they hired security to be with them. that's unprecedented and there is one one reason for it. they are goated by donald trump himself to be negative against the press. what's really hypocritical about it, donald trump himself personally can be quite nice to the reporters and call them up on the phone and we're an easy foil for his base he plays to.
>> jill, i keep hearing folks in your line of work say things along the lines of i wouldn't want to be roger stone right now. i say that by way of asking you what big move you are looking for next in the mueller investigation. >> i also am glad i'm a lawyer on and not a journalist. it is really scary to listen to that rally. it's also scary as a citizen to worry about freedom of the press. as to roger stone, it's very interesting. he seems to be clearly identified in the russian hacking indictment as one of the u.s. citizens involved. of course we know that he was in touch with gucifer 2.0 and wikileaks. now all of the people who surrounded him are being called as witnesses as you pointed out in your opening. kirstin davis is the most recent
one and the assumption is she is being called according to roger stone something that she knows nothing about and the excuse has been it's because she was in jail during the campaign. she was released from jail in may of 2016. just before the trump tower meeting. just before a lot of the gucifer 2.0 stuff started. that's not much of an excuse for what she might know. it could also be that she has information on other people connected to the trump campaign from her prior business. we don't know what she is going to be asked or has been asked by mueller. the evidence though is mounting against roger stone and he should be worried. instead ever commenting on mueller's wardrobe choices, he should be worried about his defense. >> they brought their a game in early august and we appreciate it. jonathan allen and jonathan and
jackie, thank you all very much for joining us and helping us on this broadcast. giuliani said a decision on this trump-mueller sit down will come in the next 10 days. we will remind you that we have been here before. the presidency and the press, what kind of history are we watching get made these days. john meachem is here with us as we are just getting under way.
team are near a decision on a sit down interview. this is the second reminder. that did not stop politico from writing trump's legal team will spend the weekend contemplating parameters proposed for an interview with the president and make a decision shortly there after. the decisions will get made in the next week to 10 days. he added that the team is still considering declining an interview all together despite what he described as trump's ongoing desire to meet with mueller. politico reports that both sides are deadlocked over whether he will ask him about possible obstruction. according to giuliani, they offered to narrow the set of questions related to obstruction. one of the previous occasions when we were close to a decision for an interview. >> you said now july 4th is when you expect to have a decision on whether he will sit for an interview. why are you dragging it out. don't you know now? >> i don't want to do it.
i'm leaving it open. the president wants to do it. >> it is now past the fourth of judging. where do we stand? >> we know where we are and we await the decision of the independent counsel. we would not recommend an interview with the president unless they can satisfy us that there is some basis for this investigation. >> it seems like over the weekend you said it seems like you are moving more and more against the idea of the president sitting down with robert mueller. >> there is a slight opening. >> when are you going to nail this down? >> maybe this week or next week. >> last time you told us july 4th. >> well, a lot happened since july 4th. >> to talk about all this, we asked jack charmin for the house banking committee known as the financial services committee
during the whitewater investigation. these days he is a criminal defense attorney. as you can tell, the story is a full on cliché. we can close our eyes and read from three weeks or three months ago. the president who wants to talk and the attorneys are cautioning him and the special counsel wants to catch him off guard. we can say about this president she expansive, tends to be narcissistic when he starts talking. doesn't that mean there are a million ways for him to get into trouble even if there are ground rules? >> absolutely. that kind of client, the ceo or highly placed public official have those positions because they are confident and persuasive and fluent and they tend to believe and overestimate their ability to persuade
prosecutors and agents of the righteousness of their position. prosecutors and agents are generally in the business of building cases, not deconstructing them. they come to an interview with that mind set. it could be a very precarious situation for the president to go into an interview. ground rules or no. >> to your ground rules point, let me ask you this. say they agree on ground rules. we can ask you this and not this. the president starts to talk and takes them into an area that had been walled off by ground rules. that's now open. that's fair game, correct? >> that happens often because of the dynamic of an interview. especially a voluntary interview as opposed to, for example, compelled testimony before a grand jury either because the
witness wants to say his or her peace and gets off topic, so to speak. or defense counsel thinks no harm is being done or that even some hay is being made and lets it go on. i would think in this situation the former circumstance would be more likely than the latter. >> what's the chance the mueller team said at some point we are good, we've got enough and don't need the president. is there any chance of that happening? >> i would estimate that that is a low chance in that thus far at least, what's been released publicly any case involving the president seems to be highly circumstantial. of course we don't know what has all transpired before a grand jury or what witnesses may have told the special counsel, but one of the best ways from a
prosecutor's point of view of turning a circumstantial case into a direct case is to get a statement from the witness's mouth, the subject's mouth that is untrue or inaccurate or can be portrayed so believably. it would change the game for everybody if the president were to submit to an interview. >> this is why we wanted to toss you a few questions. thank you as always for saying yes and coming on the broadcast. appreciate it. coming up for us, what paul manafort's former accountant admitted that she once did for the man on trial. information valuable, by the way, to give today's witness immunity from prosecution. that and more when we come back.
and national security reporter and reporter for the associated press. welcome to you both. how effective was today and part of what's getting the press tonight is that mrs. manafort was driven at some point to leave the courtroom because she got emotional. >> that's right, brian. that seemed like an interesting moment. it came when another book keeper was discussing the fact that he was not aware that paul manafort had control of all these foreign accounts. that's important because he prepared manafort's taxes. he had an obligation to disclose the foreign accounts of more than $10,000. the testimony was understated, at some point kathleen manafort began to dab her eyes and get emotional and she got up and left the courtroom. when i heard that happened, i thought i'm not crazy. it is true this trial is going very poorly for paul manafort.
you don't get that impression. he is projecting confidence in his blue suit, looking at the jury, participating with his lawyers and seeping like everything is fine. the evidence has been very damning and the defense thus far has been ineffective. they stipulated to most of the facts and i guess their story is going to be these frauds and these failures to fill out tax forms was not intentional. >> i heard them say this is a paper case and further while they can be on the boring side, the feds like a paper case because paper can't get cross examined. having said that, where do you think the opportunities are as they go by in realtime for the defense to come back and take jabs? >> i think, brian, on monday afternoon we are going to see the defense cross examine the very same government witness who
was on the stand today and i certainly agree with my friend ken that the government scored critical points, but i do think there opportunities that this witness gave to the defense that i are going to seize on. one thing that you mentioned earlier, she is there under immunity which means she is not going to be prosecuted for anything she says on the stand. the defense can basically use that to say you yourself, this tax preparer action acknowledged and engaged in wrong-doing yourself. she may not exactly have pristine hands and they will try exploit that. rick gates, there is no question the defense is going to subject him to a bruising cross-examination. their whole case relies on being able to prove that the crimes of paul manafort's own trial were not committed by him. they are committed by gates and a refluxion of negligence by the
tax and accounting profession s professionals. >> let's go back to the other side and that is the prosecution. gates could be a devastating, withering witness because of how deep into paul manafort's and career he was. >> that's right. they set it up today by asking witnesses about the status of mr. gates and he was repeatedly described as manafort's right hand man and giving instructions to the book keepers and tax preparers, but that's a double-edged sword. the defense will argue he was the one responsible for the misdeeds. he's going to have to acknowledge that he not only committed the crimes and lied to the fbi as he was negotiating with the plea agreement. he lied to the fbi. it could be a really tough moment for the prosecution, but i would argue that they have established so much evidence without gates. as eric said, some of these
other tax preparers and book keepers and the days of testimony about all the luxury goods that manafort bought with money from a foreign bank account that his tax returns clearly say he didn't have. >> eric, about those very luxury goods, this speaks to the judge to say he is brisk sounds like an under statement. he has not allowed the artwork to come in and said the juries will get that. he told both sides to take a week out of your arguments and moving it along so much so that i heard former fed say he could hurt the case. he is taking the juice out of the federal case. having said that about the judge, what is your view? sometimes you can tell a lot about jury interest by looking at them as a journalist. what's your view of the jury? >> the jury just like paul manford seems to be really engaged for the most part even
though it's an beinging heavy case. there are no perry mason opportunities to really slam a witness to the ground, but you do see the jury taking notes. you do see the jury looking at the screen when there are documents displayed. as far as a document-heavy case like, this i think they are engaged. there is no question, brian, that the judge himself is part of what's keeping the jury entertained. he is making them laugh. he is making the courtroom gallery laugh and the prosecution laugh much less than that, but there is no question that this judge ellis has become part of the story and he is working a syduously to make sure paul manafort gets a fair trial as possible. she trying to appeal-proof the case so if he wants to appeal which he has the right to do and no doubt wants to do, he won't be able to say anything that ellis did in the courtroom is responsible for him losing the case. he is trying very hard to keep
out any sort of potentially prejudicial testimony about all sorts of luxury items or details of the lavish lifestyle. we did learn about the ostrich jacket which was the dominant headline. >> this judge a pointed by ronald reagan who doesn't even have e-mail and doesn't intend to start now. gentlemen, thank you both very much as what i know was a long day on top of a long week. coming up, donald trump talks a lot about his accomplishments as president. some true, some not so much. we will talk about all of it with a pulitzer prize recipient when "the 11th hour" continues.
america's steel mills are roaring again. we saved our family farms and our small businesses. we are going to keep on winning. we are going to win so much, perhaps some of you, but not all will get tired of wing. anybody going to get tired? >> a list of accomplishments without ward for the truth. coming up, there is also this. complaining about news coverage is what presidents used to do. every one did. this president has taken it a big step further. we will look at all of it when we come back.
own eyes how hay lie. >> we are right behind him regardless of the swamp or the fake news says. >> a small simple of what we heard from the crowd just this week. the message took root back in 2016 on the president's twitter feed. the message evolved overtime. >> a few days ago, i called the fake news the enemy of the people, and they are. they are the enemy of the people. >> if you want to discover the source of the division in our country, look no further than the fake news and the crooked media. >> they are very, very dishonest people. fake news. >> they can make anything bad because they are the fake, fake, disgusting news. >> also importantly, let's not forget this from a few days ago. >> what you are seeing and what you are reading is not what's
happening. >> with us to talk about it tonight, john meachem, pulitzer prize winning author and historian. his latest book is the soul of america, the battle for our better angels. these talking points we just heard the president make, why is this more pernicious than just another trump thing? >> well, he is actively making the working press a target of the wrath of people in physical proximity twenty-one another. it's a really remarkable thing as you mentioned. every president beginning with george washington who almost did not stand for reelection. i won't say run because nobody ran against him. almost decided not to seek a second term because he was so tired of being criticized. this started in 1792 and presses forward. what's a little different is
that we used to have to at least hear from aides or in the extraordinary case of the nixon tapes, we would hear nixon himself denouncing the press. the unhappiness of presidents, usually in the most casual kind of remark off hand or a leak, this is a case where the president has turned the working media into a permanent foil and political enemy. he is basically in the tribalized culture of the moment. he has said the media is as much an opponent of ours, meaning him and his base, as the democratic party or those who oppose on policy grounds. it takes the role and put it it in jep earth. >> you know the next question is coming. what if we need to say to the american people, no, this next
portion of the story is getting consequential for our country, presidency and constitution. this isn't fake at all. it hasn't been more real. >> it's the perniciousness of the strategy. he wounded the messenger and opened fire on the potential outlets that will be the means by which any damaging information will come to the people. so in that sense, it's as strategic as anything he does. you talk to people who know the president and a lot of them will say you guys overthink this. he's just making it up. he is rolling with whatsoever comes to the top of his mind. as you just played, this is a consistent theme. i think what he's done is attempted to and i think probably pretty significantly, he wounded the means by which
director mueller's report will be reported to the people. and lord knows what else. >> brett stevens has written a chilling op ed in the new york sometimes. no one will accuse him of writing unthoughtful pieces. it gives a restation of a death threat. we are approaching the day when blood on the newsroom floor will be blood on the president's hands. i don't think that's an overstatement. it's feeling as serious as you portrayed it tonight. >> i think so and one of the things about history is when we look back, we often see things in an inevitable progression. when we look back at dallas, 1963. we remember that the johnsons were jostled. people spit at lady bird from the right in texas. we see the ambassador to the
united nations was attacked with placards as a rally. we can see all leading up to the tragedy of daly plaza. i play that i'm wrong, you could be playing the tape you played, the sequence when in fact something terrible happens. words have consequences and words from the very top have the most far reaching consequences. >> i join you in hoping you're wrong for the benefit of all of us. always a pleasure and thank you for spending part of your friday night with us. one of our lawyers noticed about the manafort jury this week. it may be a good sign for the prosecution. we will tell but it when we come back.
but it's hard to read what the jurors are thinking. they look for behaviors to read the dynamic. the manafort jurors asked the judge if they could bring in a birthday cake for one of them. it was a nice enough request, benign enough. it was barely mentioned, if at all, in the coverage. one of the on air experts. the attorney, the former federal prot cuter and attorney for the southern district of new york saw more than just a request to bring in a birthday cake as she told john heilman. a cake request is good for the government. >> it's a good sign for the prosecution. if i were a prosecutor, i would be happy they asked for a birthday cake. >> they will share the cake? >> no, a happy jury is a good jury for the government. here's why. you need to acquit. you need 12 jurors to agree.
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trump is being urged to stop tweeting about the 2016 trump tower meeting between his top advisers and group of russians, including a lawyer directly tied to the kremlin. president trump breathed new life into the story with a tweet acknowledging the meeting it was to get dirt on hillary clinton, not adoptions as the president and his son donald trump jr. first claimed. we'll talk about that and more with the top democrat on the house armed services committee, congressman allen smith. former director of national intelligence, james clapper, and our correspondents and analysts are standing by. first, let's go to our chief white house correspondent, jim acosta, near the president's new jersey golf club where the president is spending the week. jim, the president continues to tweet about this trump tower meeting against the wishes of his legal and political advisers. >> he is steering clear of the media, laying low after resurrecting controversy over his son donald trump jr.'s meet
have over time facts develop. >> reporter: the problem for the president, trump jr. initially released a misleading statement to "new york times" about the meeting which was also attended by his son-in-law, jared kushner, and campaign chairman paul manafort. trump jr.'s statement said we primarily discussed a program about the adoption of russian children. no mention that it was about getting russian dirt on hillary clinton. >> you're sending your son, a family member, to talk with a foreign government that is an active enemy or potential adversary at least of this country to talk about information that you could use against your opponent, the optics of that are absolutely terrifying and very disturbing. >> reporter: the president previously acknowledged the true purpose of the meeting days after the initial misleading statement was issued by his son. >> i think from a practical standpoint most people would have taken that meeting. it is called opposition research or even research into your opponent. >> reporter: even as the white house offered conflicting explanations, insisting it was
his characterization that the russian investigation is a hoax. >> the issue for the president i think is the political argument made by his opponents that somehow he conspired with the russians and they helped him defeat hillary clinton. that's what he thinks is the hoax. that's what i understand it to be. >> reporter: as for concerns inside president's team about tweeting, it has been an on-going concern for legal advisers. one of the president's past attorneys, you recall, stepped down in part from his position because of the president's tweets. wolf, this is something they have been talking about since there was a trump campaign during the election of 2016, getting the president or getting at that time donald trump to stop tweeting and getting himself in trouble. now there are real concerns inside the legal team that it could get him into legal jeopardy if he continues to tweet about this investigation at a very critical time. >> he has more than 50 million followers on twitter. i suspect he isn't stopping
what happened, what didn't happen, what the reason was, despite the fact that we don't have a lot of new information we're doing that because the president of the united states tweeted about it. and went further talking about some of the details than he has before, and did so reacting to a news story. he is such a goliath, somebody that's so powerful in his own world that people in and around him don't tend to buck him when it comes to tweeting because it is a blessing and curse as somebody said to me today, but on this particular issue they're saying just put the phone down, please. >> calm down a little bit. also getting new reporting on rudy guiliani, the president's personal lawyer. i take it they're getting ready to respond to mueller, and mueller's latest proposal for a sit down interview with the president. >> i lost track of the number of proposals and counter proposals there are now, but right, the ball is in the trump team's court now. robert mueller sent them a
counter proposal last week of what parameters could be in a potential interview with the president. and guiliani told me that as soon as today, maybe tomorrow, they are going to give another proposal. now, the back and forth has been going on for months and the question really is, big open question, whether there's going to be any resolution. whether at the end of the negotiations the president is really going to sit down with robert mueller in any way, shape or form because as we have been hearing and saying repeatedly, his legal team, pretty much everyone around him thinks it is a terrible idea. it is a perjury trap. it is a nightmare situation. but he feels he wants to clear his name. we'll see. guiliani wouldn't give me details of the counter proposal. hopefully we'll get more information once it is given to special counsel. >> we know last year when "new york times" broke this story of the trump tower meeting with the russians. there was a statement drafted
aboard air force one that suggested it was all about adoption, stuff like that. this is something the mueller team is looking closely at right now, especially in the aftermath of the president's own tweets. >> absolutely. and dana knows this, this is one of the questions, one of the many questions mueller has had for the president, and it is probably one of the questions that the president's legal team doesn't want him talking a lot about. their feeling, i remember one of the lawyers saying it is none of mueller's business if the president lied to "new york times." we're now in the middle of a big investigation. it is mueller's business if the president lied because the idea that he, perhaps someone, whether the president or someone else may have been trying to cover up publicly this meeting and say why don't we say it was about adoptions, it goes to also the state of mind of what the president was thinking at the time, why did he feel the need to direct, to mislead, to lie in this statement to the public. that's a key issue here in this
investigation. i think that's where yesterday's tweet, again, it goes to the president's state of mind. you can see investigators at the fbi, prosecutors wanting to ask why did you tweet that yesterday. why did you tweet so and so in 2016 regarding the trump tower meeting. now you're changing it and saying it was about getting dirt on hillary clinton. so there's a lot of follow-up here that is quite clear the president's legal team is trying to limit. and if the president keeps tweeting about an investigation, it is only causing him more problems and harm. >> when you talk about state of mind, that's so key because one of the most important, the most important argument that a special counsel or investigator can make when it comes to interviewing the president of the united states is that he and only he can answer the questions. when you talk about somebody's state of mind, there's just one person that can answer that, and that's the person who's mind you're talking about.
>> don't know if donald trump jr. has spoken to mueller's team. >> that's important, wolf. he seems to be one of the only people in that meeting that mueller could actually talk to if he wanted to talk to that he has not talked to. we know the translator has been in to see mueller about the meeting, we know the music promoter has been in to see mueller. we know there are others. washington, d.c. fixer that's been in to see mueller. but interestingly enough, donald trump jr. has not. and i think if we know anything about how mueller is doing the investigation, that's significant, i think. >> kushner met with mueller. >> and kushner, too, met with mueller about it. >> if somebody is really in trouble, they're the last person you talk to. >> that's right. manafort was present for that meeting. he hasn't been interviewed by mueller, he has a lure. >> -- has a lawyer. >> he has other issues. guys, thank you very much. let's get more from democratic congressman adam smith joining us from the armed
services committee. thanks for joining us. let's get right to the questions. is the president making things worse for himself with all of these tweets? >> well, obviously from a legal standpoint he is making things worse. how the public reacts to it , t president thinks the tweets appeal to his base. and they do. they fire up his base. that's what he tries to do. that's how he holds the rallies. in terms of people that aren't part of his solid base and in terms of legal strategy behind that, the more you talk, the more you open up to exposure legally. the most interesting thing about all of this that i don't think has been emphasized enough is from the beginning the president, donald trump jr., the attorney general, a series of people have consistently lied about their interactions with russians. they were asked about this repeatedly before all of this stuff came out in november and december and they all said never happened, donald trump jr., said
he never had any meetings with any russian officials. why did they lie about it? why did they so consistently lie about their interactions that have now come to light with a whole series of different people connected to the russian government. >> do you believe, congressman, the president's tweets could be used by the special counsel, robert mueller and his team to get at his state of mind which is so important to proving obstruction of justice? >> exactly. obstruction of justice is the issue here. there's two issues. one is conspiracy. did the trump campaign conspire with russian operatives to try to influence the election. but the other issue is did the president then try to obstruct the investigation into the charges. so when he tweets like he did, not the one saturday but from a week ago that he wants to shut down the entire investigation, he's made it very, very clear he wants to stop the investigation and that, you know, that flirts with obstruction of justice. so the more often he says that,
the more potential legal jeopardy he is in. >> why do you think the president is apparently coming fully clean about the meeting, the purpose of the meeting after all the months of misleading the american people? >> i don't know. i mean, it is sort of like with the whole firing of attorney general, sorry, fbi comey. when it first came out, well, we have a memo, blah blah blah. then within 24 hours after claiming it was a series of things with lester holt, he says oh, no, i fired him. it was my choice. it was because of the russian investigation. so how president trump's mind works on this is hard to say but he has certainly proven over and over again he will change his story whenever he wants to and not even along any sort of pattern that seems to be self interested. just what pops into his head any given moment. >> the president's personal attorney rudy guiliani says they'll decide within the next
day or so on a meeting with robert mueller. this could go all the way to the u.s. supreme court if the president refuses to grant an interview to the special counsel. special counsel then has to issue a subpoena. how do you see this fight playing out? >> well, it's interesting. i think legally it is clear, you can't ignore a subpoena, even if you're the president of the united states. if you're subpoenaed by a lawful investigation, you have to testify. now, you can take the fifth, there's a bunch of things you can do, but nobody has the right to ignore a subpoena. however, remember the supreme court we have. if this goes up to this supreme court, you can bring it back to nixon when the supreme court at that time required president nixon to turn over the tapes because they were following the law. as i've noted before, this supreme court seems to make its decisions based on what donald trump and what the republican party want as opposed to precedence of the constitution. we're headed towards a very
difficult situation, and look, it is really simple. the president simply has to cooperate with this investigation. it's a lawful, legitimate investigation. no serious person questions that the russians at the highest level were involved trying to influence our election, using cyber attacks, disinformation campaign, hacking e-mails. we need to get to the bottom of what happened. to the extent the president is trying to stop that, he's not only potentially committing a crime, he is harming national security interests of the united states of america. >> adam smith, thanks for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. appreciate it. just ahead, president trump comes clean about the trump tower meeting with russians after more than a year of misleading the public. was any crime committed? details of rick gates' testimony for the prosecution in the trial of his former boss, paul manafort. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely.
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tweet the president posted. fake news reporting, complete fabrication that i am concerned about the meeting my wonderful son donald had in trump tower. this was a meeting to get information on an opponent, totally legal, done all the time in politics and it went nowhere. i did not know about it. how significant is this tweet from the president after a long, long time of suggesting that whole meeting was about adoptions. >> i think politically quite significant, just the fact that there's been a long standing practice of deception, objeand i suspect to use a military phrase, prepping the battlefield for revelations that make him to the mueller investigation, what the real point of the meeting was, which i think most people understood anyway. i think it is quite significant politically. legally, i don't know. >> do you think a crime, based
on your reading of the law, was a crime committed? >> well, it is not a crime to lie to the public. what it does show though i think is intent. major kpoenlt, ingredient in conspiracy or obstruction investigation, what was the real intent. to me, this is nefarious intent. and to draw back a little, wolf, why meetings with the russians. our arch adversary. this to me thickens the plot. >> today he did a radio interview with laura ingraham earlier this afternoon. let me play a little clip. >> 20 minute meeting, ended up being about essentially nothing that was relevant to any of these things and that's all it
is. and that's all they've got. that's not the premise that got them in the room. and then it was essentially abate and switch to talk about that. and everyone has basically said that in testimony already. so this is nothing new. >> that's donald trump jr., his recollection of that meeting. he says it was a bait and switch. sounds like he was disappointed the russians didn't deliver the dirt. >> exactly. the whole point for his having the meeting was the expectation of dirt on hillary clinton and the fact that dirt didn't come doesn't change intent for me on what his intent was having the meeting. >> potentially the investigation of mueller and the team of possible obstruction of justice. last summer after the "new york times" reported about the meeting, the president personally dictated a statement that was misleading about the nature of this meeting,
suggesting it was about russian adoptions in the united states. >> again, this is -- the important thing is intent. the intent was to deceive. i think this is a significant backdrop to a determination about obstruction or conspiracy. >> the president and his team, they deflect on this issue by going after hillary clinton again, and suggesting there was collusion that she was engaged in with the republicans. from a tweet from the president. collusion with russia was real. hillary clinton and her team 100% colluded with the russians and so did adam schiff on tape trying to collude with compromising material on donald j. trump. we know hillary clinton paid through a law firm, through kremlin connected sources to gather information on donald trump. collusion is real with russia
but only with hillary and the democrats. we should demand a full investigation. that was the president tweeting, quoting dan bongino, saying looking forward to a new ig report. he didn't say that, put was quoting one of the supporters on fox and friends earlier. >> to me this kind of points out the inconsistency here. apparently it is okay for trump to go after dirt on clinton but not okay for hillary clinton to go after dirt on trump. to me, it is silly to try to make that assertion when he is doing the same thing. >> is there any truth to the argument made by trump and supporters that what hillary clinton did by paying that pr firm for the christopher steele dossier, based on allegations from russians that she did something illegal indirectly seeking foreign assistance in her campaign to obtain dirt on
her republican challenger? >> i think this goes to the point of to what extent she was knowledgeable about what the ultimate sources of the dossier were, whereas with trump camp, they knew very well it was russians. so i think there's an ambiguity there that makes it a foggier yes. >> final question. do you still have your security clearance? >> as far as i know. the technical term here is the threat to revoke my eligibility for access to classified information is i haven't had since about 20th of january, 2017 anyway, but to answer the question, no. as far as i know i still have it. >> so in other words, if one of your colleagues, former colleagues that's still in the u.s. intelligence community wanted to seek your advice, your history on some sensitive issue,
you could still brief that individual and get the latest information? >> if that person determined that he or she felt i had a need for the access to information, classified information, they could do that, so as far as i know now and the same is true with the others that were named, we still have our eligibility for access. and to my knowledge, no action has been taken. >> raised the question because the president specifically said he wanted john brennan, former cia director's clearance removed, and sarah sanders was naming others including you. as far as you know, they haven't taken action against you yet? >> as far as i know. >> thank you for joining us. >> thanks, wolf. following brneaking news in the trial of paul manafort. former deputy rick gates under a plea bargain has taken the stand as star witness for the prosecution. let's go to jim sciutto at the
courthouse in nearby alexandria, virginia. zrieb wh describe what it was like seeing manafort and gates together in the same room? >> reporter: it was a remarkable moment, wolf. i've seen some cold stares in my life. this was a particularly cold stare coming from former boss, paul manafort, sitting in the defendant's chair with arms crossed, looking about ten feet away at rick gates, his former deputy, long time deputy. as rick gates recited a list of alleged crimes, confirming to the prosecutor his knowledge of those crimes and saying through the list that he was doing this at manafort's direction. what was on that list. he says he set up 15 foreign bank accounts they didn't report for the purpose of hiding foreign income from the u.s. tax system. he says they filed false tax returns. he said they failed to register
as a foreign agent as they were doing work for a foreign government, in this case, pro-russian leader of ukraine, and all the while there, his former boss, paul manafort, watching and listening as rick gates ticked off his account of each of those alleged crimes. >> what do we know about the cooperation agreement between gates and the prosecution, the mueller team, and how it is playing out now? >> reporter: well, it's interesting. the first thing the prosecutor asked gates to do was to look at his cooperation agreement, confirm that his signature was on it, confirm his initials were on each of the pages, which he said the judge instructed him to do to show that he had read each of the pages of that cooperation agreement, just to sort of reaffirm that he agreed with what he stated at the start of this. then the prosecutor went on to reveal in his cooperation rick gates revealed other crimes that to this point have not been
known, should say alleged crimes, one of them being that rick gates admitted he stole from paul manafort hundreds of thousands of dollars. he did so by filing false expense claims. you had rick gates there, the former deputy and i should say former deputy chairman of the trump campaign in 2016 for those months saying not only that he committed crimes at paul manafort's direction but that he also stole from paul manafort to the tune of hundreds of thousands of dollars. so a lot of alleged wrongdoing going on in that courtroom behind me, and a number of days to go as the prosecutors make their case, wolf. >> pretty gross when you think about that. jim sciutto. thank you very much. how is robert mueller going to treat president trump's admission that the purpose of the trump tower meeting with the russians was to get dirt on hillary clinton? plus, the first lady forges her own course and publicly
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with the discussions. that follows a weekend tweet with the president saying the purpose was to get damaging information about hillary clinton. mr. trump and his son donald trump jr. initially claimed the meeting was designed to discuss russian adoptions here in the united states. let's dig deeper with correspondents and analysts, gloria borger. why is the president admitting to the true purpose of the meeting? >> i think it is on his mind. you never know why donald trump is tweeting about anything, but i think he is probably worried about his son as dana bash is reporting, and he wants to sort of say look, everybody does it. everybody gets opposition research, this is no big deal, somebody comes in, wants to give you dirt on your opponent, so what. so what. everybody does it. so it has shifted from suddenly a meeting about russian adoptions and don't forget the president dictated that statement from air force one about this meeting to now being well, so, it is not a big deal. and i think that's the point he wants to get across to his supporters is look, democrats do it, republicans do it, and my son is not to blame.
>> i have been told by some supposedly that know the first rule of damage control in washington, if there's bad news about to come out, you release it first instead of letting adversaries release it. that may be behind the theory as well. phil mud, how is robert mueller going to treat this admission from the president? >> let's start from the outset, going into summer vacation, like we have a thousand piece jigsaw puzzle and one piece fell into place. one of the difficult things to look at in any investigation is what people are thinking, the why. in this case, the president just did us a small favor. he put in a piece of the jigsaw puzzle. he explained clearly the why was they were willing, that is trump people, his son, willing to engage in an illegal act, potentially acquire information from a foreign power which would have violated the law. the center of that jigsaw puzzle is still out there, and we don't have the picture on the box to know what that is, and that is one question.
if they were willing to accept that information, if the president acknowledged that in his tweet, did anybody in this meeting or any other meeting accept anything from a russian intermediary. i suspect the special counsel knows part of the answer to that already. that's the piece of the puzzle we don't know yet. one piece in today, still a lot of pieces missing. >> let me read the exchange before the meeting to set up the meeting that donald trump jr. had with rob goldstone, british intermediary that set up the meeting at trump tower with russians. this is to donald trump jr. this is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of russian and government's support for mr. trump helped along by those involved. in that text exchange said quote if it's what you say, i love it, epilat especially later in the summer.
dirt to release closer to the election in november. how important is the phrase russia, its government's support. >> from a legal standpoint less significant that accepting foreign campaign contribution is illegal, whether from a public official or private individual. from a national security perspective, it is incredibly significant, wolf, it is another reminder that this meeting was likely part of a state sponsored attack on our country. we know that vladimir putin ordered meddling in our election, and that included his reliance on a multi facetted, broad network of intermediaries to laundromater information, to make contacts, and try to trap officials like donald trump jr. from counter intelligence stand point, also quite significant. donald trump jr. knowingly went into a meeting with a foreign hostile power to accept illegal information. it is pure logic.
you don't have to be a counter intelligence maven to know this, but if a foreign government happens to call you up and say they have exactly the information that you need and that you're looking for, they probably have an ulterior motive. >> you used to work for director of national intelligence. since the story broke last year, it has become clear according to all sources that the russian lawyer there at trump tower, natalia veselnitskaya, had a closer relationship with putin than initially reported. so how does the russian government, and you used to work in this area, how does the russian government use people like veselnitskaya, often referred to as cutouts? >> the use of cutouts is typical russian trade. veselnitskaya would have been an intermediary between agents and operatives involved in espionage, someone that gathered information, carried information between individuals involved in espionage. she would have been someone that
would have taken orders between the two. one of the interesting things about someone like veselnitskaya is they're not typically read in on the full scope of whatever the espionage effort is, but i think the point about her being close to vladimir putin is really interesting because as we learn more about the relationship between veselnitskaya and vladimir putin and how close they were, we learn more about who she was taking orders from, and then look at the fact that she was able to get this meeting in trump tower. we get much closer to a direct link between vladimir putin and his orders and the president of the united states. and that's something that really concerns us. >> donald trump has said of course he knew nothing about this meeting. i was talking to a source today that said that don jr. has always wanted to please his father and would have gone to him and said either we just had, we're about to have this meeting, we know trump gave a speech the next day talking about information he was going to give on hillary clinton, so i
think that all of this needs to be unravelled. if i'm donald trump's lawyers, i'm telling him to stop talking about this because they know a lot without this meeting, and he doesn't know what they know. so it's very, very dangerous, dicey for him to be doing this. >> where is this headed. mueller supposedly knows more about this meeting than any of us have a clue about. >> i think there's only a couple pieces left. talking the past few minutes whether people like don jr. and president of the united states are going to sit down for interviews. great irony with the white house complaining the investigation won't shut down, every other day they come up with a roadblock why the president can't talk to the investigators. no wonder they can't close the investigation. that said, i know mueller. he doesn't want to sit around doing this forever. if he is not done with more indictments by early september, so he doesn't interfere with midterms, i'm going to guess
something is out by end of the year. we're not doing this in mid 2019. i would lay a bet on that. >> stick around. there's more news, including the first lady contradicting the president of the united states wun once again. details of the latest break between the trumps. possible second summit between president trump and north korean leader kim jong-un. we're learning new details. stand by. are you taking the tissue test? yep, and my teeth are yellow. time for whitestrips. crest glamorous white whitestrips are the only ada-accepted whitening strips proven to be safe and effective. and they whiten 25x better than a leading whitening toothpaste. crest. healthy, beautiful smiles for life.
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nba superstar lebron james is the center of melania trump's break with her husband. our white house reporter kate bennett is joining us. kate, the first lady isn't afraid to forge her own course, even if it counters the president's. >> that's right, wolf, this is a first lady with her own mind, her own opinions and her own spokesperson that released a statement that she agrees with the president, and sometimes she doesn't. it could appear that melania trump's timing, praising lebron james and his children's school in ohio was a swipe at her husband who questioned the nba star's intelligence less than 24 hours earlier. the cnn interview with james, quote, made lebron look smart which isn't easy to do. i like mike, the president tweeted. but according to melania's
spokeswoman, the first lady disagrees. quote, it looks like lebron james is working to do good things on behalf of our next generation, and just as she always has, the first lady encourages everyone to have an open the stark contrast is just the latest example of east wing versus west wing at the white house. as melania trump continues to define her own agenda. in recent weeks, the first lady has been quick to correct the record when it comes to her feelings, whether they compliment her husband's or not. amid the firestorm surrounding the president's alleged triste with porn star stormy daniels. rudy giuliani said this of melania. >> she believes in her husband. she knows it's not true. >> reporter: her spokeswoman fired back, i don't believe mrs. trump has ever discussed her thoughts on anything with mr. giuliani. when "the new york times" reported president trump didn't like his wife tuning into cnn
aboard air force one, melania's office swiftly declared she watches any channel she wants. when he husband's family separation policy caused international outrage, melania trump went to see detention centers near the u.s.-mexico border for himself. >> how i can help for these children to reunite with their families. >> reporter: whether it's taking a separate motorcade to the "state of t state of the union, stealing the spotlight with that white hat moment or slapping her husband's hand away in public. >> everybody loves melania. they love melania. >> reporter: the president doesn't appear to mind. this independent streak could just be part of who this mysterious first lady actually is. >> i'm very strong. people, they don't really know me. people think and talk about me like, oh, melania, oh, poor melania. don't feel sorry for me. i can handle everything.
>> reporter: now, of course, wolf, we remember that some of this messaging gets lost in some of these nonverbal cues. of course, that jacket that she wore, that infamous jacket, she's still trying to live that down in a way. certainly melania trump is forging her own path, saying what's on her mind and it's all a matter of getting to know this first lady as she finds her footing and kicks off her be best initiative. back to you. >> the jacket said, i really don't care, do you? all of us remember that jacket. kate bennett, thanks very much for that report. just ahead, controversy but no results from their first summit. is president trump now prepared to sit down again with kim jong-un? ninety-six hundred roads named 'park' in the u.s. it's america's most popular street name. but no matter what park you live on, one of 10,000 local allstate agents knows yours. now that you know the truth, are you in good hands?
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singapore summit with little if any progress on denuclearization, a source telling cnn, get ready for round two. the official who is familiar with the north korean position on denuclearization says there is a strong possibility of a second summit between trump and kim some time later this year. date and location to be determined. the president perhaps hinting about a future meeting, tweeting chairman kim last week, thank you for your nice letter. i look forward to seeing you soon. u.s. officials hand-delivering trump's letter to kim over the weekend. >> we're waiting for the north koreans to begin the process of denuclearization, which they committed to in singapore and have not yet done. >> reporter: the news comes amid ramped up rhetoric between the two nuclear-armed nations. speaking at this asian security security summit over the weekend. secretary of state pompeo warned countries like china and north korea not to violate sanctions.
>> any violation that detracts from the goal of denuclearizing north korea would be something that america would take very seriously. >> reporter: pompeo had a quick handshake but no meeting this weekend with north korea's top diplomat. instead, he met with his top chinese counterpart and pointing to sanctions and a lack of a peace treaty as major issues that could derail nuclear talks. >> we have a maximum pressure campaign on finances, sanctions that, frankly, make them feel the heat. >> reporter: a cnn source calling the latest statements a negotiating tactic to pressure the trump administration for a better deal ahead of the november midterm elections. world leaders will fly to new york next month for the united nations general assembly. will kim jong-un be one of them? could he make a visit to trump tower? my source says stay tuned.
>> i'm phil mattingly. in for dave briggs. it is thursday, august 9th. congratulations, you are on the back half of the week. representative chris collins refusing to step down after indictment on insider trading charges. federal prosecutors in manhattan accused the new york congress member, his son and another man of securities and wire fraud. charged with exploiting secret drug trial information from the australian pharmaceutical company. collins vowed last night he will continue his run for re-election in november. >> the charges that have been levied against me are meritless. i will mount a vigorous defense in court to clear my name. i look forward to being fully vindicated and exonerated ending any and all questions relating to my affiliation with innate. >> the company where collins was on the board of directors.
he was the first sitting congress member to endorse donald trump for the white house. collins' indictment turns another safe republican seat into a battleground. the white house legal team says it has sent a counteroffer to special counsel robert mueller on a possible interview with the president. the president's lawyers are rejecting the terms for the narrow scope for questioning. they do not want the president facing questions of obstruction. here is giuliani talking to sean hannity. >> stop the nonsense. you are trying to trap him into perjury because you don't have a case. >> giuliani called the first offer a good attempt faith to reach an agreement. mueller has all of the information he needs to wrap up the case within weeks. >> we do not want to run into the november elections. back up from that. this should be over with september 1st. we have now given him an answer. he obviously should take a few days to consider it. we should get this resolved.
accounts to show the path of the money which flowed from ukraine business men to manafort's accounts. they showed bank account statements manafort signed. his passport photo included in the bank accounts. and showing funds which flew to u.s. vendors. the jury heard from those early in the week and last week detailing he paid for a mercedes-benz and ostrich jacket. and several other expensive real estate properties. the jury heard from prosecutors in total that meant manafort did not pay tax on $15 million. that is a key part of the case. prosecutors told the judge they have eight more witnesses to call. they could wrap by the end of the week. christine, phil. >> kara, thank you. the trump administration set to slap a new round of sanctions on russia as the punishment for the poisoning of former russian spy and his daughter. the state department says the sanctions are required under international law. banning the use of biological and chemical weapons. the first round of sanctions set
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five suspects accused of the kids were training them to commit school shootings. the compound appeared to have an improvised shooting range and firearms. an attorney for one of the suspects denied the allegations. all five pleaded not guilty to child abuse on wednesday. they are scheduled for another hearing next week. authorities are still trying to determine if the remains they found belong to a missing 4-year-old georgia boy. that search led authorities to the complex. newly released chilling video of the parkland school shooter's confession. an interrogation video released by prosecutors showing the 19-year-old accused of shooting the teachers and students. he says he hears voices and punches himself in the case and repeatedly says he wants to die. cnn's rosa flores has the story. >> reporter: released video of the school shooter nikolas cruz interrogated hours after he shot and killed people and injured others.
shows him barefoot in a hospital gown and answering questions for hours. >> how you got to the school. >> reporter: the video shows him at times acting erratically murmuring to himself. about wanting to die. forming his hand into the shape of a gun and putting to his head. >> [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. i want to die. >> reporter: at one point, cruz breaks down and sobs after the investigators grant the request to speak to his younger brother. then he appears to laugh. >> why did do you this? don't laugh. >> reporter: cruz said he carried out the mass shooting at the direction of the demonic
voice in his head. telling him to do evil things. >> burn, kill, destroy. >> reporter: the narrative did not seem to sit well with the broward county detective. >> i don't believe there is a voice. >> reporter: growing agitated, cruz demanded an attorney ending the five-hour interrogation. the claim he was directed to carry out mass murder on valentine's day at parkland high school by demonic voices in his head is in contrast to the boastful videos he made days before the shooting. videos in way he talked about his sinister plans. cnn chose not to air those videos after the shooting. now that he has introduced a possible line of defense, we believe the videos provide a fuller context to his mind set and motivation. >> location is stoneman douglas.
>> reporter: rosa flores, cnn, miami. to california, the appeals court rejected the appeal of the stanford swimmer convicted of sexual assault. brock turner's attorney claims there was insufficient evidence to support high schos convictio assaulting an unconscious woman in 2015. he was ordered six months in jail by the judge although prosecutors pushed for a six-year sentence. in the end, turner served three months behind bars because of overcrowding. the sentence was deemed too lenient and that resulted in a recall to remove aaron persky. ncaa announcing policy changes in the wake of the corruption probe. andy scholes will break it all down for us in the bleacher report next.
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agents to advise them, but no financial respect. if the player enters the nba draft and goes undrafted, that player can return to school. the responsibility of who determines who is a quote elite player has been put on usa basketball. according to espn, they were blind sided by the announcement and want no part of ranking young players. both of the rules won't matter much if the nba gets rid of the one-and-done rule. they are discussing, but not expected to happen until 2022 at the earliest. lebron james the last great high school player to make the jump to the nba. yesterday, he gave us the first look of women wearing the new lakers uniform. a picture of him doing a photo shoot. he is rocking kobe bryant's shoe. we know where and when lebron makes his lakers debut. lakers open the season october 18th in portland. that game on tnt. lebron's first home game in l.a.
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i will mount a vigorous defense in court to clear my name. >> a sitting congress member indicted for insider trading creating another midterm headache for the gop. trying to trap him into perjury because you don't have a case. >> president trump's lawyers rejecting robert mueller's terms for a sit-down interview in the russia investigation. russia responding to a new round of sanctions. we go live to moscow. do you know how the fire started? >> i have no idea. i was asleep. >> police say that man started a destructive wildfire in california that is still raging out of control. welcome back to "early start." i'm phil mattingly. >> i'm christine romans.
representative chris collins refusing to step down after indictment on insider trading charges. federal prosecutors in manhattan accused the new york congress member, his son and another man of securities and wire fraud. collins vowed last night he will continue his run for re-election in november. >> the charges that have been levied against me are meritless. i will mount a vigorous defense in court to clear my name. i look forward to being fully vindicated and exonerated ending any and all questions relating to my affiliation with innate. >> that is where collins was on the board of directors. he was the first sitting congress member to endorse donald trump's run for the white house. this turns another safe republican seat into a
battleground. the white house legal team says it has sent a counteroffer to special counsel robert mueller on a possible interview with the president. sources tell cnn that the president's lawyers are rejecting the terms for the narrow scope for questioning. they do not want the president facing questions of obstruction. here is giuliani talking to sean hannity. >> stop the nonsense. you are trying to trap him into perjury because you don't have a case. >> giuliani called the first offer a good attempt faith to reach an agreement. mueller has all of the information he needs to wrap up the case within weeks. >> we do not want to run into the november elections. back up from that. this should be over with september 1st. we have now given him an answer. he obviously should take a few days to consider it. we should get this resolved. >> giuliani says the trump legal team says this should wrap up before the november election.
he believes republicans will benefit if the probe drags into november. prosecutors in the bank and tax fraud trial of paul manafort expect to rest the case against the former campaign boss on friday. the defense will present its case. 18 witnesses have testified. notably rick gates. manafort's ex-deputy and former adviser to the trump campaign. also taking the stand is a former irs agent on how manafort avoided paying taxes on millions of income. we have more from cnn's kara scannell. >> reporter: follow the money. that's what prosecutors asked the jury to do in the document heavy day. witnesses from the fbi and irs walked the jury through documents, e-mails and bank accounts from the ukraine to manafort's accounts. they showed bank account statements manafort signed. his passport photo included in the bank accounts.
and showing funds which flew to u.s. vendors. the jury heard from those early in the week and last week detailing he paid for a mercedes-benz and ostrich jacket. bought several expensive real estate properties. the jury heard from prosecutors in total that meant manafort did not pay tax on $15 million. that is a key part of the case. prosecutors told the judge they have eight more witnesses to call. they could wrap by the end of the week. christine, phil. >> kara, thank you. i think she has been living in virginia over the last few weeks. thank you very much. the trump administration set to slap a new round of sanctions on russia as the punishment for the poisoning of former russian spy and his daughter. the state department says the sanctions are required under international law. banning the use of chemical and biological weapons. the first round of sanctions set to go in effect in two weeks. let's bring in correspondent matthew chance. live in moscow.
whath -- matthew, it is no secret the tension here. what is the reaction to moscow? >> reporter: phil, this will come as a major surprise to many here in moscow and authorities here because there is a lot of expectations of new sanctions from the united states. they would be congressional sanctions. they are debated right now in the u.s. they would focus on punishing russia for the alleged meddling in the 2016 presidential election. to use anti-chemical weapons legislation by the trump administration, not congress, is unexpected. the reactions so far has been predictable by the russian diplomats saying this is an example of the theater of the absurd in the united states. there is no clue or no proof or logic. they are restating this russia position that russia had
absolutely nothing to do with the poisoning of the skripals in the united kingdom. and the u.s. sanctions are totally illegitimate. what we have to remember is this all comes out of the feverish political atmosphere that is at play in the united states, particularly after the summit in helsinki between president trump and president putin of russia which president trump is perceived as weak compared to the russian leader. it shows how much pressure there is building in the u.s. right now to adopt a much tougher stance toward the kremlin. it comes from that, phil. >> a lot of pressure. this is the first round. a second round of sanctions could be triggered in a couple of months. matthew, thank you. >> let's bring in zach wolf live from washington. good morning. on the subject of the sanctions on russia, it is as if we have
said on a split screen. the white house reluctantly imposing sanctions on a regime that -- we are not talking about the mueller interview. the russia sanctions. you have senator rand paul presenting a letter of introduction of donald trump to vladimir putin. two different optics. >> very different optics. coming on the same day. the other element, you assume the white house would rather impose sanctions for chemical weapons than election meddling. that is the thing that president trump thinks is delegitimizing his entire presidency. he would rather do chemical weapons. this is like something out of di dickens. something you don't hear about much. slapping russia with sanctions on the same day. not the kind of thing we heard
about from previous administrations. >> i love the 5:30 a.m. dickens drop. i want to talk about the tactics from the president's legal team. i want to play sound from last night. alan dershowitz on what the strategy is here. take a listen. >> they will make mueller an offer he cannot accept. in the end, mueller will say i cannot accept this offer. we will subpoena you. the president will say, i wanted to testify. it was mueller who turned me down. >> so zach, is that the play here? are they not serious about the actual offer? this is a ploy to push further and never actually sit down? >> from the sound you played of rudy giuliani earlier, i'm not sure what they want. he seems to think they have a strong hand if they went into the kind of supreme court over the subpoena. this is the main story heading into the november election. on the other hand, he says you
can get it done. they would like it both ways here. and it is very muddled to what they want. by not taking the offer, they are certainly making sure that this is going to drag on. they are pushing it into november at this point. >> let's talk about chris collins. this was a bombshell yesterday. for those of us who cover markets and trading and sometimes insider trading, this looks like a textbook do not do. he sits on the board of a company. he gets word the company's main source of revenue, potential revenue, the drug trial will fail. on the white house grounds, he calls his son, six or seven times and he sells the stock to mitigate his losses. according to the government. how damaging is this to him? and how damaging is it for the gop in november? >> you know, i think we have to see. he promises he will run for
re-election. we have to -- >> he says he didn't do it. >> we have to remember that. although, the way they laid out the case yesterday was pretty damning. you know, this is an interesting thing heading forward. you know, i don't know how damaging it will be to the gop. simply because so much other things are going on. what is interesting to me is that we had so many examples of the sort of swamp mentality going on. this is maybe the swampiest thing. >> i did not realize congress member -- he is the only one that sits on the board. >> he stepped down from the board. >> while are you an american lawmaker, that seems on its face a conflikon flikconflict. >> particularly on the house committee which he was stripped of. i don't know. >> stay tuned. >> zach, thank you. disturbing details emerge
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data. this is all after a similar letter was sent to google. it is not sure anyone believes them because it is a myth your phone is spying on you. stephen colbert getting in a little fun at the expense of chris collins. >> cbs news has footage of collins on the phone at the picnic. there he is in the circle on the phone presumably calling his son. now, while cbs news has acquired the video, the late show has acquired the audio. jim, enhance. >> hello? se sell! sell! this is chris collins. we'll never get caught. sell! >> according -- it is hard to hear. i think he is saying sell. >> i'm so surprised.
Former GOP representative Joe Scarborough and Mika Brezinski interview newsmakers, politicians and pundits about the issues of the day.
jonathan, we're probably going to get swept in like three when we get divisional playoffs. so, i mean, but, listen, it was a fun summer. mika, why don't we go to the news. in an interview last night president trump's lawyer said special counsel robert mueller will personally have a lot to answer for just hours after they rejected mueller's reported latest offer to get a sit down interview with the president. trump's legal team said they have made the counteroffer listing their conditions for access to the president who is a subject in the wide-ranging investigation of russian interference in the 2016 election. trump's attorneys also publicly voiced their desire for the probe to end. within the next three weeks and suggested that mueller would be violating doj policies, if it does not end. >> don't have an internal deadline. we are moving. i use the phrase, expeditiously. i said and i know you said, we
want to see this come to closure soon. mayer? >> it is about time it ends and i also think and i hope the special counsel as sensitive to it as we are, we don't want to run into the november elections. so back up from that. this should be over with by september 1st. >> if it isn't over by september, then we have a very, very serious violation of the justice department rules that you shouldn't be conducting one of these investigations in the 60-day period. >> but, what giuliani claims would be a serious violation is, in fact, a distortion as the justice department inspector general recently wrote that the 60-day rule is not written or described in any department policy or regulation. adding it is generalized, unwritten guidance that prosecutors did not indict political candidates or use overt investigative methods in the weeks before the election
not that they terminate investigations. >> mika, it's important to remember that rudy giuliani back in the 1990s, he was into the investigation of bill clinton and it was perfectly fine that ken starr conducted an investigation and went on years and years through one election after another after another. robert mueller is not going to be indicting anybody right before an election and that will be consistent with guidelines. but you have, if you're in pursuit of a couple of dozen russians who you have evidence that violated american democracy and tried to undermine american democracy, you don't end that investigation because rudy giuliani tells you to end that investigation. in fact, you need guidance from rudy giuliani and go back on just about every topic and see what he said when republicans were indicting or trying to
that's more ilegitimate than this one and i wonder where is the sense of justice on the part of mueller, on the part of the justice department. the real story here is not that this case isn't going to fizzle. it's going to blow up on them. the real question is, what we talked about before. a lot more to what they did that nobody knows about yet. and mueller is going to have a lot to answer for. >> you know, willie, with rudy giuliani going around and izeyes bulging while he's talking and looking disoriented, you look for excuses for america's mayor, for being this wildly off base. again, we just showed off the top of the show all of the members of the trump administration and the trump campaign that have already been indicted and are also, that have also pled guilty.
that have already pled guilty. i mean, you on top of that have 25 russians. this is an active investigation. now, rudy giuliani says they have nothing. they already have trump's second campaign manager. trump's -- i mean, indicted. trump's deputy campaign manager indicted. trump's national security adviser indicted. this is like the grand jury indicted all of these people. trump's foreign policy adviser that he said was one of his two most important, indicted. trump's first campaign manager had charges dropped. and trump's first congressional endorser now indicted. the man who put him, who put his name into nomination for republican nominee now indicted. and 5 russi25 intel agencies sa
is the forensic evidence of vladimir putin, the gru, ex-kbg agents trying to undermine de c democra democracy. how does rudy giuliani even have the nerve to go on there and say what he just said? >> that is an awful lot of indictments and plea bargains. trump's legal team continues to put out these arbitrary calls based on, i don't know what, other than they want it to end to clear the president. may 10th the vice president of the united states said, quote y think it's time to wrap it up. rudy giuliani said again, and also repeated last night that bob mueller doesn't have anything. laid out everything bob mueller has shown he has. neither rudy giuliani or you or
i know what he has. >> first of all, the president's team who has been delaying for eight months an interview is also saying they need to hurry up and end. but, second, just look at -- i'm just always amazed what the mayor's team will say on the record. what he said in that interview is that the president's story, if told to mueller, would put him into perjury. so, what he's saying is the president's story is wrong. it's a lie. he just admitted it on national tv because of the president's version is true, its it is not perjury trap. we have kind of blown right past the fact of what he admitted just there. >> matt miller, go ahead, joe. >> i was just going to say to nick, hey, nick, the point and people think i'm joking about it. i'm not. if i were president of the united states and all of my
lawyers thought i was too stupid or too much of a liar to sit down and just talk to robert mueller, i'd fire them. but this is all we have heard consistently from donald trump's lawyers. that he's too stupid to sit down with robert mueller. that mueller will twist his head in circles. or that he's such a liar that he can't, that it would be a, quote, perjury threat. now, listen, if i were going to sit down and ask you a series of questions, there would be a problem if the editors of "new york times" called me up and said, you know, we can't let nick know on today. why not? you'll catch him in lies. my response would be, don't lie. just have him tell the truth. this is what every time giuliani and his lawyers come on and say he's too stupid or he's just not smart enough. they say that behind the scenes to keep up with the robert
mueller. but every time they come on to a show like hannity say we can't let him on because he'll perjure himself. he's such a liar, he can't help himself. >> sit down with the special counsel is no joke and even an innocent person would go into that with fear and trepidation. this is the president and he has a team of qualified lawyers around him who could prep him for this and if he can learn to tell the truth for two hours he could get through it. >> learn to tell the truth. >> here jewgiuliani is, what do he think we're, he accuses miller of thinking that the president's teams are fools. i think he should be accused of thinking the american people are fools. we need to like call it out. you know, this is ridiculous. they want justice, let's do the justice. you can demonstrate justice in front of us. >> what giuliani is doing. not much of a legal strategy.
this is a public relation strategy. trying to drum up outrage among republicans or perhaps some independents about this probe. we have seen it's been somewhat effective. like the polling on mueller's probe has dropped in recent weeks and months. we know he's been chipping away at people who view this investigation has integrity and should continue. and they, meanwhile, as we just pointed out, they're the ones dragging this on. that's part of this argument. it's taking too long and a waste of taxpayer money and waste of time and distraction and slowing down the president's agenda and becoming more and more of a talk point and as the doj of regulation, mueller may push pause here but he doesn't have to wrap it up before september 1st. and, of course, we saw from james comey high doe doesn't ha
push pause either. >> so, matt miller all the times i laid out previously that the trump administration and trump's lawyers have called for an end to it, bob mueller has ignored those calls. is he aware and conscious and do you think he feels any pressure from the outside on his investigation? >> i doubt he feels a lot of pressure from the outside. when bob mueller was running the fbi, he handled his job with the fbi the same way he handles this one which is to put his head down and plow forward. one of the interesting things about the president's strategy is i think the time when mueller's probe was in this long, kind of five-month period between when they indicted russians for the social media interference and indicted russians for the hacking. there was a five-month period where they were really dark. the president was making some headway arguing at this was going on too long. he is now back in business. he's back out. kind of indicting russians.
and to the point i think jonathan made, you know f txwok president agreed to the interview a long time ago or drawn the line a long time ago, i'm not going to agree to this interview, they're going to have a better case. but a better political case that this was going on too long. by dragging it out themself they are the ones responsible for the obstruction of justice portion of this. it could have been wrapped up a long time ago if the president aagreed to an interview. >> they're doing thedo their be but they're even horrible at this. i mean, you look at the fact that now the administration is saying that they are going to sanction russia and foreign governments for interfering with elections. they're doing that specifically because of the indictments that were laid down last month. robert mueller using the u.s.
military information had the specifics of how the russians tried to destroy our election. what computer screens, what their key strokes were. what buildings they were in. the detail was so specific that we busted them red handed beyond any reasonable doubt. but think about this. if mike pence had his way and this had been shut down in may, like mike pence was saying, we would never have this evidence that, basically, showed what the russians tried to do and what they're going to try to do again in 2018. >> oh, yeah. that's just one part of it. i mean, for instance, before the mueller probe began, we were operating in which the trump campaign and trump white house was insisting that there was no contact with russians at all. >> but mike pence said, can you believe that mike pence actually had the nerve to say in 2017, we
were never talking to any russians. nobody related to this campaign ever talked to any russians. we were talking to americans. just as extraordinary lie when you look at the collection of russians that they were talking to throughout 2016. >> i feel like sometimes people don't quite, it's not presented comprehensively in front of people and people don't grasp how much robert mueller and his team and sometimes we're jaded about it. for instance f , if we just fou out today there was a meeting in trump tower, we would think it is a political crisis but now it's. the issue and i think we have to bring this in here because it's a prong of this, it is not just the media pressure and it's not rudy giuliani going out there, there is intense capitol hill pressure, too.
rachel maddow last night unearthed a private recording of devon nunez saying they were going to take another stab at the impeachment of rob rosen ste stein. so we have this congressional prong that seems to be working to provide some for the trump white house and to kasie because she's so plugged in on the hill. is this a serious threat from nunez or acting rogue here? >> we're going to have to ask paul ryan whether he would let something like that go forward. in theory, they could make that privilege and force his hand. but the broader point you're making, sam, is the right one. we're really headed for the real wreckeni reckoning and easy to lose sight of it and the drips out of the special counsel's office and evolving what seemed to me a set
of excuses that rudy giuliani was giving to republicans that would question what is going on with robert mueller. but, look, republicans are going to have to decide at some point depending on what bob mueller is going to find. are they going to defend the president at all costs? that's what nunez is saying on that tape. he's saying no matter what mueller finds, we need to stand behind president trump. there is going to be republicans on the hill who are going to do that. and i think a wide middle that is going to have to really look inside themselves and decide, okay, how am i going to handle this? we saw that in water gate what turned the tide for richard nixon after it was clear that there was crimes that were proven that republicans in his own party turned on him. >> you know, if you look at devon nunez, if you look at some members of the freedom caucus, they remind me of the people that we conservatives used to call useful idiots that would fly down to nicaragua that the
united states is doing terrible things and we're apologizing and we conservatives, we republicans called them useful idiots for always apologizing for the russians and always being part of the blame america first crowd. well, when you look at what leaders of the freedom caucus are doing, when you look at what nunez is doing, i think we need to stop saying what they're doing is trying to protect donald trump. because what they're actually doing is they're protecting vladimir putin and covering up more crimes that the united states military and intel agencies are digging at right now this very moment. they've unearthed some of his crimes. they're looking for more crimes. but you have devon nunez
bragging about trying to stop the investigation and russia's interference. it's shameful. >> a division within america in here between the white house and the institutions of america in here. we're actually, basically, what i hear about trump supporting and invade the investigation, i hear him defending the mafia, the biggest mafia of the world in vladimir putin, basically. you have a have to address him d address that head on rather than being divided among us. i feel like president trump has a choice here. step up and lead the country ethically speaking and stop defending corrupt leaders around the world. >> no sign that's happening any time soon. but that would be the hope. still ahead on "morning joe" criminal charges ahead, chris
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every phish show. >> before you go hating on dave matthews, you need to watch the movie lady burird. >> i have seen it. >> you realize where they're making fun of dave matthews, it is the mean girls making fun, you're being a mean girl about dave matthews. >> i'm hurt by that accusation, joe. i really am. the boys i went to high school with who listen to dmb just left it, i can't do it. i can't do it. >> so, sam stein, is this sort of -- is this along the line of creed. is this like a creed/nickelback
backlash? >> am i wrong? >> yeah, you're wrong. >> i don't know. >> it's the fans of dave matthews. who we recall as the big fans of dave matthews from high school and college and, of course, willie, have turned us against him. >> is this what we're really talking about today? >> can we please move on. >> i have to say, willie, you know, alex says we're circling the drain. >> we're down the drain. we're not circling. >> you know, i did not for some reason like steely dan when i was in high school and college, but i like him now. some great music. >> okay. >> i'm going to help alex and try to pull us up out of the drain. mika, this is for you. chris collins of new york has been charged with insider trader and lying to investigators alleged to have worked with his
son to avoid significant losses on a inesthavestment. prosecutors say collins was at a congressional picnic at the white house last year when he learned that they received bad news about a drug trial for the company's only product. he served on a board for three years until 2017 and remains one of the biggest shareholders. the congressman frantically attempted to reach his son, cameron, who he tipped off to the corporate information days before it was made public. they claim cameron collins and several others used the information to avoid more than $700,000 in losses. when news of the failed drug trial was made public, the shares of the company aplplumme. he refuted the allegations against him. >> the charges that have been levied against me are meritless. and i will mount a vigorous
defense in court to clear my name. i look forward to being fully vindicated and exonerated ending any and all questions related to my affiliation. as i fight to clear my name, rest assured i will continue to work hard for the people and constituents of the 27th congressional district of new york and i will remain on the ballot, running for re-election this november. >> you know, collins is just the latest member in the trump orbit to find himself in legal jeopardy over financial gain, including at least one with the same prosecutor. his former personal attorney as president, michael cohen, also as you know, under investigation by the southern district of new york for tax fraud. that, according to "wall street journal." cohen simultaneously served the president and had a business and cashed in on his connections.
a top donor agreed to paid cohen $10 million if he successfully pushed a project. sitting with questions of financial misdoings. forbes recently, man, what a report, that commerce secretary wilbur ross' practices have sparked lawsuits and reimbursements and a fine from sec and tom price was also questioned about a favorable purchase of a stock at the time that was also at the center of collins' arrest. price was fired amid scandals and former epa administrator scott pruitt talk about the swamp. it's now up to trump's neck. he, of course, intendinattended
white house and then he was allowed to resign. but, willie, there is such a -- such a culture of corruption there. somebody yesterday said that collins had to feel picked on when you had wilbur ross, in their words, doing insider trading at a pace the guy thought he only had two weeks to live. and, you know, since trump says he's only good until 11:00 a.m. in the morning, that was a pretty busy 9:30 to 11:00 block to do insider trading. you look. look at the "forbes" article. just a culture of corruption and, of course, as they always say, the fish rots from the head. >> matt miller, these are just the people around, profiting off hotels and ivanka had to shut down her clothing line. they put money in a trust that
does not isolate them from profits, certainly, to put it mildly. >> i think joe hit the nail on the head when he called it a culture of corruption. democrats have the ability now to make this case that there is this culture that starts at the top with donald trump and starts with his family members and pervasive throughout his administration and also list the treasury secretary on government planes and under inspector general investigations and now moving it over to a member of congress. the problem for other members of congress. this is not to say every republican member of congress is corrupt. of course, not. but every one is allowing this to go unchecked. no one in a leadership one on tg we need to stop it and investigate it and shine some sunlight. that becomes a political vulnerability for all of them. one of the interesting subplots of this chris collins thing, he is the second person to literally have committed a crime
on the white house grounds. they made that call while he was standing on the white house grounds. it's the same place where mike flynn, in his white house office sat down with the fbi and lied to the fbi. the highest crime rate of any neighborhood in washington. >> i don't know if i'll go that far but maybe. you know, the point that i keep coming back to is 2006. that year democrats mounted a fairly robust culture of corruption campaign to take back the house. and it was effective. you talk to any democratic strategists that work in those races. that was the theme that they resonate the most. this go around you have arguably way more data points to point to here as we listed right now. but i don't see democrats making this case. i mean, matt's right. i mean, you could argue that a really effective campaign strategy say, look, republicans are letting this go unchecked
and we have x, y and z and you need to elect us so we can actually bring some ethics and disability and oversight to this process. but that's not really in the democratic playbook and i'm not entirely sure why. >> democrats almost have an embarrass of riches to figure out how to run and some people who are nervous on that side that they will not come with a clear message, it will be too muddled. if they regain control of the house, something that trump allies have told me. more than impeachment proceedings which could be a gift to the president. day after day and where they're marching up every single person who has any affiliation in front of the cameras on capitol hill and bogging them down that way. to follow up on matt's point, it's remarkable. the indictment has the listed time in which he makes the call to his son to tell him this. footage of him on the phone at that moment. there aren't too many occasions where we have live streams of
insider trading. >> beyond democrats, iful feel like we ne to have -- we have politicians helping write the ethics rules of insider trading and all of these things corrupt. we need to go back beyond the parties and we need to go back to the people and people need to vote for people who are ethical. go back to the people and people want ethics and valus and all of these things. i want to say one thing, though. he needs to have a fair investigation is the fair thing in here. so, we do need to give due process due process so we don't jump to conclusion but we need to watch all the warning signs in here and go back, again, to saying what is right and what is wrong. >> well, kasie hunt, that is absolutely right and to an extent i think people are open to the truth.
joe found out on the campaign trail himself giving his constituents bad news in realtime, even if they didn't like hearing it, that helped him actually at the polls. but in this case, the truth is being so devalued. i just worry that it's going to be a very difficult landscape running up to the midterms and beyond for republicans especially for some of who are participati participating. >> that answers sam's question why democrats aren't using this broadly. they tried this against president trump and they tried to make everything stick and nothing sticks to the guy, it seems. i'm not convinced based on my reporting that is going to be true in the midterm elections and strategists are saying people are demanding more from their candidates, but part of the reality is, too, democrats aren't calling for collins to be shoved out of office. that's partly because, you know, they face their own ethical problems.
i mean, bob menendez fought an indictment while he remained for quite a while in a powerful post on the foreign relations committee. this is a problem that goes across the establishments in washington and i think people are frustrated by that. and don't forget, one thing animating the democratic base right now is opposition to corporate money in elections. one litmus test issue for a lot of progressive candidates is are they refusing to take donations from corporate packs? that's also something that leadership in washington is grappling with. they're not sure what to do about it. i do think they're creating some problems for themselves in that way. still ahead, another trump campaign figure facing serious legal jeopardy. we'll check in on paul manafort's trial. how an alleged $16 million spending spree came into play. that's coming up on "morning joe." you're turning onto the street
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testified that the former trump campaign chairman had at least $16 million in unreported income from ukraine, which manafort allegedly spent between 2010 and 2014. just a few years before he sought an unpaid role leading the president's campaign. after the conclusion of testimony by manafort's deputy rick gates there was a tense moment between counsel prosecutors when ellis discovered an expert witness had been in the courtroom for other testimony. as "the washington post" described ellis erupted saying that he typically bars all witnesses, save the case agent from observing the proceedings and thought he had done so in this case. u.s. attorney uzo asonye said he believed the transcript and
ellis snapped. i don't care what the transcript said. maybe i made a mistake. don't do it again. >> matt miller, the judge, the judge has been bheads with the prosecution and doesn't seem to like the prosecuting attorneys too much. what is going on there? >> i think a little case of black robitis. he is known to be a tough judge and he has been out of line here. if you look at him here. almost like when your parents say, doesn't matter what i said, do this anyway. sort of admitting that even if he made a mistake he's blaming the prosecutors on it. he is accusing one of the prosecutors of crying. i think the ultimate question is what impact it will have on the case. if this were a much closer case, i bet the prosecution would be pretty worried that his remarks some of which would be in front
of the jury would have an impact. such strong evidence against paul manafort and such strong evidence of his guilt that it is not likely to tip at end the of the day. >> i was surprised when the judge told one of the attorneys to stop crying in the courtroom. he's like, i'm not crying. it's just like yesterday where they said, but you said he could. read the transkrcript. i don't care what's in the transcript. not the sort of stable justice that you want overseeing an important case like this. what is his story, what is his background. >> let me just say something about the crying. that particular prosecutor that was crying. he locked up the family in new york and actually, actually had to be around the clock protection because while he was investigating, they tried to assassinate him and have him killed. i doubt he was crying in the courtroom because of tough words
from the judge. this judge has been on the bench for long time. you know, judges, look, they have lifetime terms for a reason. to make them insulated from political pressure and lack of accountability. i think largely we like that, but there are always down sides that come with the good sides. you see some judges that have this arrogant approach in the courtroom and you hear from people who practice in that court that judge ellis is like that in a lot of cases, but he's also a judge that i think when reporters are in the room and high profile and likes to show off a little bit for the press and i think you're seeing some of that here. >> all so fascinating. the ohio congressional race that was already too close to call gets even tighter, thanks to a couple hundred uncounted votes. we'll show you where the candidates stand this morning. we'll be right back.
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>> i didn't know he wasn't cool. i think he's great. >> everybody just stop. we're all so old. still ahead president trump and his legal team appear to be playing "hardball" with robert mueller over a possible interview. member of the judiciary committee senator richard blumenthal will join us to weigh in on that and rudy giuliani's timeline for the russia probe, rudy expects it to be done soon so i guess we should all hurry. plus, we'll talk to the michigan demonstrate who is poised to become the first muslim woman in congress. rashida talib will be our guest coming up on "morning joe". (ford chime) it's the ford summer sales event and now is the best time to buy. you ready for this, junior? yeah, i think i can handle it. no pressure... ...that's just my favorite boat. boom. (laughs) make summer go right with ford, america's best-selling brand. and get our best deal of the summer:
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presidency effective at noon tomorrow. >> that was president richard nixon, 44 years ago last night as today marks the anniversary of the first and only time a president resigned from office, joe. >> mika, you had said before that your father, obviously, knew richard nixon, and after his wife pat died, that he actually came over to your house, and you remember seeing him as such a broken man. >> yeah. it was, obviously, i think the loss of his wife. but he was sitting on our porch on a chair was pulled out from the table with a setting sun behind him down the hill and i just sort of couldn't believe what i was seeing. so much history and so much turmoil for this country all wrapped up in his story. >> but, really, willie, it's interesting the only time richard nixon broke down in
public. anybody saw him breaking down in public was when his wife pat died. at the funeral he broke down so much he was embarrassed about it later. but that 44 years ago, john meacham says it's his first memory of any news event despite the fact all he talks about is the french and indian war. we should talk more about watergate. >> walter isaacson is here, the "new york times" tweeted out their front page. still takes your breath away for a skorngsd president of the united states resigns from office. >> yeah. the issue here is that it resonates with what happens today. it's an obstruction of justice. nixon afterwards and mika remembered him being sad. afterwards nixon became kind of a statesman. he talked about the world, doing
discussions. he would do these amazie ing to. during his time in office he became unhinged when it came to justice. we have to go back and look at things. >> walter, i'm curious, when you look at the people that got indicted, got in trouble during the nixon administration, we went over a laundry list and, of course, nixon was in for six, seven years before things really completely blew up for him. just in a year's time, a little over a year's time donald trump has seen his first campaign manager or second campaign manager indicted in a trial right now. his first national security adviser indicted, pled guilty. his deputy campaign manager indicted, pled guilty. a guy that worked for him
through the inauguration who, of course, already pled guilty. one of his top campaign foreign policy advisers pled guilty and is pleading with the government. his first congressional endorser and member of his transition team has pled guilty. along with 29 russians. we don't know what the 29 russians have been indicted, what they have to do with the trump campaign and whether there is a conspiracy to influence the election. that's part of the investigation, but even if you just look at the list there's one, two, three, four, five, six, seven -- six or seven people that have already been indicted and most of them pleading right now, guilty. how does that stack up with nixon and watergate even seven years in? >> well, it's stinkier in a way because he said drain the swamp. so many of these things involved
just people wanting to make large sums of people. people slurping at the trough like the congressman doing insider trading on the white house lawn. nixon at least wasn't lining his pockets. you see that with the trump hotels and their businesses and finances. this is the type of thing voters rebelled against which is this pure line your pockets and get rich type of corruption. the other thing is nixon did like trump try to discredit the institutions of our society. discredit our norms. but nixon never went as far as this to call, you know, to try to obstruct justice publicly in a way that trump is doing. so, it's amazing that we've gotten back to this. >> it is amazing. sam stein, of course, you're
reporting always tries to take it to a higher level, 30 years after, of course, richard nixon resigned you are, of course, digging deep into a controversy about the dave matthews band and what happened in chicago 30 years later. >> don't do it. >> and scandal, sam, that according to your reporting was called poopgate. explain. >> okay. >> it's breakfast time. >> we were doing so well. >> you want to jump off of walter's point? >> i'm only quoting your tweet, sam. you just tweeted it like ten minutes ago. don't sit there acting all innocent. follow up on walter's -- >> well, i'll say -- >> talk about watergate or
poopgate. >> and maybe you can weigh in on this. >> i was struck by how a lot of what we see with trump, we sort of don't take as seriously as maybe we should because it happened so out in the open. so for instance, a tweet he put up a week and a half ago, roughly, in which he basically was talking about firing jeff sessions for not closing down the investigation. i thought at the time that was pretty wild. then i thought to myself, having read the memo and sent it privately to jeff sessions about getting rid of the investigation into russian collusion and that memo has been read by a journalist we would think this is the craziest thing ever. because he tweets it out in the open part of us think this is trump being trump. same thing to a lesser degree with the respective break in. so if the russians had literally broken into the dnc and stolen a file cabinet as opposed to hacking e-mail account, maybe we
would conceive of this differently because it would be physical as opposed to something on the internet. i'm wondering to a degree, how does this affect our thinking? >> well all of our norms have been totally disrupted and when you set out to break norms, norms get broken. we now have a society in which people can do things like openly to affect justice. openly line their pockets. and somehow we've become ignored to it. if we watch it in plain sight it's like they destroyed all the norms. the biggest norm of all which even nixon tried to do, i'm trying to bring people together. i'm a unifier. here you have a guy who outright tries to divide the couldn't. >> yeah. >> yep. >> you had watergate tapes and now this time around you just
have everything that the president says on television. there's no tapes to be uncovered. as you see with us we have sam stein, walter isaacson. the fact that omarosa thinks he's unhinged. >> omarosa can secretly tape the president of the united states inside the white house, the fact that his lawyer and so-called fixer is taping the white house, what do you think the russians and the chinese -- >> what a useful idiot is what they are thinking. the fact that he would bring in someone close, that he would be so unbelievably reckless to bring in someone close who would audiotape their conversations. what kind of people do you have around you? again, he needs a wall around him. white house reporter for the associated press jonathan lam
erelameer is with us. kasie hunt is with us. >> joe, are the google dolls cool or uncool? >> that's a good one. let me tell you something. the google dolls are cool. amazing. iris amazing. you know what if you don't like the dolls, if you don't think black balloons aren't the best songs of the '90s turn off the tv right now. >> and eamon javers is here. >> he often sings his questions to the white house staff and the president in tune. >> i was more of a punk rock guy than a google dolls guy. they were harder core and then
drifted more into a poppy kind of thing. i liked them before they sold out. >> i liked them before they sold out and after they sold out. it's great. >> you're good with all of it. >> anybody like pink floyd? >> we all liked pink floyd. >> got it. >> okay. here we go. >> in an interview last night president trump's lawyer said special counsel robert mueller will personally have a lot to answer for just hours after they rejected mueller's reported latest offer to get a sit down interview with the president. trump's legal team said they made a counter offer. i'm sure it's fantastic. >> there was one of my favorite episodes on the simpsons was when lionel huts said to mr. burns we have a counter offer, we think you'll like it. and actually mr. burn turned it around and he wrote zero.
he picked it up and said we'll take it. release the hounds. that's what robert mueller is thinking right now. you have a counter offer. listen, i got what they call a subpoena. i'll just put that one on you any time you want. >> this is incredible. so trump's team listed their conditions in their counter offer for access to the president who is the subject in the wide ranging investigation of russian interference in the 2016 election. which endangers this country. trump's attorneys also publicly voiced their desire for the probe to end within the next three weeks. >> that's not going to happen either. >> and suggested mueller would be violating doj policies if it does not. >> actually that's a lie. >> giuliani went on to challenge the special counsel's motive for seeking an interview and suggested mueller will soon be the one under screw ti. >> i. >> not true. >> we offered them an opportunity to do a form of
questioning. he can say yes or no. we can do it. if he doesn't want to do it. he knows the answers to every question that he wants to ask. he's going to ask him did you tell comey to go easy on flynn. the president will say no i didn't. hey, bob, you know it. why do you want to get him under oath. do you think we're fools. you want to trap him in perjury. we're not going to let you do that. i've never been involved in an investigation on either side that's more illegitimate than this one, that's so more obviously illegitimate and i wonder where the sense of justice is on the part of mueller, on the part of the justice department. the real story here is not that this case isn't going to fizzle, it will blow up on them. the real question is what we talked about before, there's a lot more to what they did that nobody knows about yet and mueller is going to have a lot to answer for. the investigation here has to be
on the investigators because we cannot let this happen again in american history. we may not have a president as strong as president trump. unless a president could have really been cracked by this. >> walter, i'm an older guy. i know you, of course, are not, you're a spring chicken. >> yes, he is. >> us older guys do you remember that unbelievable saying in absence of malice when it was said, i got these things called subpoenas, now you can talk to me now or i can give you a subpoena. and either way i'm going to talk to you and i'm going to get the truth out. rudy giuliani of all people trying to negotiate whether donald trump is going to talk to robert mueller is so rich because it was rudy giuliani in 1998 who told charlie rose when we're talking about bill clinton, it doesn't matter whether the president wants to talk to the special counsel or
not, if he's given a subpoena, he has to comply and sit down and talk to the special prosecutor. >> you know, rudy giuliani keeps going on air to make it seem more and more like there's smoking guns all over the place. he's doing the greatest disservice to a client i've ever seen a lawyer do. then he says well we don't want to testify because trump may accidentally tell the truth or he may end up lying and both will be bad. well it's just ridiculous what he says trying to trap him in perjury, it wouldn't be perjury if trump went there and just told the truth. so i don't know why giuliani is out there unless he's some sort of weird agent trying to undermine his client and to make this investigation look even more stronger than it is. >> he's out there because he wants, it's a very simple political objective which is to turn public opinion against robert mueller. only way you'll do that is
hammering him every day. main people who are receptive are people who watch fox news. it's not just republicans who are souring on robert mueller specifically it's viewers of fox news who are souring on robert mueller's investigation, that's because there's a constant drum beat of negativity from rudy giuliani -- >> real quickly, let's say it quickly. robert mueller has not been leaking. >> of course. >> he's an honorable man. he's been extremely successful in this. he's a life long republican. he's a person who has served the country with honor. how can they have no shame when they do this? >> this is tactical and not just with the mueller investigation. i go back to this quote that trump gave. he talked cynically about his anti-press comments, this whole fake news thing. he said very clearly the reason i'm doing it is because i want to be so when you report
critical stories of me half the country doesn't believe it. >> that's obvious. they have been softening the ground whatever mueller comes out with they discredit it to people who believe this. they have been reporting this from vice president pence down to rudy giuliani. time to wrap it up. they are giving a directive to robert mueller to wrap up the investigation. it's worth taking a step back. robert mueller is looking at russian interference into the election. >> we've seen very little concern of that from the president of the united states. we know, of course, he missed the opportunity in helsinki to chastized putin on the world stage. we know justin last week or so, we saw that display of force at the white house where his national security officials did finally talk about steps we'll take. warned about russia doing it again in the mid-terms this fall. but that felt like a moment of president versus presidency. they seem very out of step.
hours later donald trump goes to a rally in pennsylvania. i was there and said called the whole thing a hoax, it was a hindrance and holding back our ability to have a better relationship with russia. this is what they were doing. mueller will not leak, talk publicly and they are just going hammer away. as you say weigh down public opinion and eventually to when mueller does deliver this report to have half the country not believe it. >> walter, i want to ask you a question. the way i hear it is a bunch of bully, bullying everybody, and distracting everyone from the truth. if you go back to nixon, how do you take back the discussion, actually? how do you go back to what is real, what is unreal and what is untrue? >> the way we did it is the way we did it when it happened with nixon. honorable people in the republican party. honorable people in all parties. honorable people in the administration step forward and say no this is not what america is about.
we try to tell truth. >> a lot of republicans are not stepping forward and playing the trump game. what's your message to them. how do we speak to fox news people audience. >> in the mid-term elections people say this culture ever corruption is not something i want to have continue. leadership in the republican party, they will follow what they hear. it only happens if the mid-terms vote out some of the people who have been spineless. >> we know congressional republicans are helping the president do his bidding on this. they presented the freedom caucus did anyway on the idea of impeachment. rod rosenstein deputy attorney general is overseeing the special counsel's investigation. rachel maddox played last night in primetime devon nunes saying they would like to get rod rosenstein but wait until after kavanaugh has been seated on the supreme court. what's happening on the capitol
hill as they rally around the president. >> you look at the president and say those voters who were supporting the president those are our voters too. therefore, we got to do what the president wants. we have to appeal to those voters. at the same time you have this bizarre sort of long form slow motion negotiation, the ultimate art of the deal in term of whether the president will sit down or not sit down. look at the timeline. you see rudy giuliani on tv saying we want mueller to wrap this up, we want it to be over by september 1st. but you have these offers and counter offers going back and forth. it seems as if the giuliani team has an incentive to stretch this out than wrap it up. and push it past the september timeline. and then at some point the department of justice will not want to move forward with anything dramatic if you get too close to that mid-term election because we'll have the same problem we had back in 2016 with announcements coming out that
could be accused of manipulating the election. if you look at the series of offers and counter offers going back and forth about whether the president will sit down. i did some reporting on this yesterday. some people involved in all of this who feel there will be more rounds of offers and counter offers. i think that ultimately helps the president push this out as far as he can, push it closer to the mid-term election. that gives them many months to try to tilt public opinion against the mueller investigation. the longer they stretch this out the better they are despite what rudy giuliani is saying. >> so, you obviously, are covering the chris collins investigation. give us a sense of where it goes from here and how it plays into all the problems plaguing this presidency or the questions plaguing this presidency. >> chris collins said last night up in buffalo he'll fight this. he thinks he's done nothing wrong. he said he lost money himself personally on this insider trade. that's not the issue.
what the prosecutors have alleged is that what chris collins did was use his position on the board of the company to illegally tip off his son and his son was then able to avoid masses losses. when that stock went down 92% when it turned out that the drug that the company made didn't work at all that was a dramatic loss for the son and some of the friends and family around the son, they were facing that loss. able to sell and get out ahead of it and dump that loss on other unsuspecting people in the financial markets. collins said i held on to mimi shares personally i didn't do anything wrong. i lost millions of dollars on this trade. prosecutors say all you need is somebody with a fiduciary obligation to the company which collins did have then tips and then a trade and then you have illegal nude e insider trader. collins will fight eight and run for re-election. will he be able to win while
still under indictment and that's possible. >> all right. >> cnbc's eamon javers. thank you so much for being on. >> a punk rock fan. >> i want you to play the ramones all day on your office computer. >> i doubt we'll do that. mika, we met -- thank you. by the way, it was great to meet jimmy buffett a couple of weeks ago. >> you were on stage on broadway playing. >> jimmy was nice enough. >> margaritaville. >> this is a guy that bob dylan told rolling stone of his favorite songwriter. he's playing fenway tonight. wish i could be there. he's playing fenway tonight. he fills it up like every year. kind of crazy. >> so cool. still ahead on "morning joe," senator richard blumenthal joins the table.
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and lets you control your network with the xfi app. it's the ultimate wifi experience. xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. welcome back. willie, i'm looking at some of these songs. we're getting responses. i got to say a couple of great ones and, again, you can't pick a cool band and say oh, well my guilty pleasure is elvis costello that concentrate count he's the king of cool. here's some great ones. abba, "bread." who can listen to david gates. gary puckett and the union gap. the archies. let me tell you something about
archies "sugar sugar." '60s radical, radical generation. "sugar sugar" one of the top five songs of the 1960s. and don't dis archie and jughead. that song rocks. have you figured out an uncool band yet that you're willing to mention? >> i'm going to stick with mine. i feel no guilt about the dave matthews band. there's a large faction of americans who don't like dave matthews and i picked him up in college. good memories around it. no apologies. but there's a backlash against dave matthews. >> bunch of hippies. >> in the next segment sam stein wants to ask you about the steve miller band. >> come on. >> sam not here at the moment. let's turn to united states
senator who is waiting patiently -- >> counselor you opened up the door on the steve miller band. you're not going to stop. steve miller band had a couple of extraordinary albums like from '75, '77, '78. >> take it up to stein. >> hit me where i live. "take the money and run." this guy was great on immigration policy. >> let's get right into it. a member of the progressive group provided the rachel maddox show of you a do of david nunes speaking at a fundraiser in washington last week for kathy rogers. in the recording nunes and rogers said rod rosenstein cannot be impeached but only because it would imperil the nomination of brett kavanaugh. say he should not impeached. nunes spoke about the importance of protecting president trump.
>> >> so i don't think you'll get argument from most of our colleagues. the question is the timing of it right before the election. >> the senate has to start -- >> the senate would have to drop everything they are doing and start to, start with impeachment of rod rosenstein. then you take the risk of not getting kavanaugh approved. so it's not a matter of impeaching rod rosenstein it's a matter of timing. so there in lies your catch 22 situation where -- it puts us in a tough spot.
that's why we have to keep this. we have to keep the majority. if we do not keep the majority, all of this goes away. >> that's the voice of devin nunes. nunes office did not return calls seeking a response. joining us now a member of the judiciary and armed services committee senator richard blumenthal. thank you for your patience. let's talk about what you just heard. not news that devin nunes believes rod rosenstein should be impeached. he said it publicly. the freedom caucus introduced the idea of impeaching rod rosenstein as deputy attorney general. house speaker paul ryan came out the next day and said he did not support that, the impeachment of rod rosenstein. what nunes is saying there we'll put it to the side for a moment while we get kavanaugh on the
bench. but we come back to the idea that rod rosenstein should be impeached. what does that tell you and how seriously do you take that? >> that tells me republican leadership is putting priority on confirmation of brett kavanaugh. we may be the one to determine whether the president has to comply with the subpoena. this strategy is really the most craven and brazen kind of politics in its approach to undermining the rule of law and the second point to be made here is that the reason for retaining a republican majority is simply to protect the president against potential consequences that may involve other subpoenas uncovering other wrongdoing. this culture of corruption is so pervasive, wilbur ross, other
members of the cabinet, the president himself violating the clause by taking foreign benefits and payments. we have sued the president, other members of congress have join my lawsuit. it's unparalleled in american history. >> as you look ahead at the dominos that could fall if somehow rod rosenstein were impeached is that to put somebody in place, do you believe who could then fire robert mueller. is that the ultimate goal? >> that's a really key question because people look at the special counsel and say his position is critical, which it is. but ultimately the one responsible for approving the potential indictment, all of the budget, all the personnel of the special counsel is, in fact, the deputy attorney general rod rosenstein. so in firing him or impeaching him or unrecusing the attorney general to fire him is really at the core of what i think this
strategy is. >> senator, a question for you. nunes is known as somebody who hates the investigation, who has cast doubt on it. but seeing the number for house republicans echo his comments, rogers echoing his sense of the strategy was new to me and i wonder if you take that to mean that the full house leadership is actually secretly behind this plan to impeach the deputy attorney general? >> in my view the republican leadership is ambivalent. it knows what the right thing to do here is. it needs the grit and back bone to stand up and really uphold the rule of law. and that applies to brett kavanaugh as well because right now the republicans are engaged in a conscious effort to hide and conceal documents that are necessary to evaluate brett kavanaugh's nomination. they've not only limited the
scope of the documents to exclude all the relevant paper and communications involving brett kavanaugh's service in the bush white house as staff secretary but they've also turned over the screening process to a team of republican lawyers headed by a lawyer who was, in fact, kavanaugh's deputy in the bush white house. and now is serving as a lawyer to a number of people in the bush administration or formerly in the bush administration like brett kavanaugh and they are cherry picking, pre-screening, sanitizing documents so that we have now filed a freedom of information request, we the democrats on the senator judiciary committee, we did it yesterday, because it's the last resort. >> you know, walter, getting back to devin nunes and what devin nunes' strategy is going
against rod rosenstein, even the white house sources are telling reporters that the white house considers nunes and the freedom caucus' attacks on rod rosenstein to be a joke. they know it's not serious. they know it's not going anywhere. yet you just wonder why paul ryan is allowing it to continue, and people are now looking about and trying to figure out what paul ryan's legacy is going to be. right now if this continues his legacy is allowing a guy to destroy the intel community's bipartisanship, historically bipartisan nature and secondly allowing members to run around and try to provide cover for vladimir putin by destroying an investigation that looks that putin is crying to undermine american democracy. it's pretty straightforward isn't it?
>> the white house considers it a bit of a joke that nunes is acting this way but it's not a joke. we used to be able to have a consensus in congress that people are going to rise above partisanship at times like when we got attacked by russia. i would love to turn it to the senator because i don't quite -- i mean you remember the times when there would be republicans and democrats who say, okay, this transcends our partisan differences, let's figure it it out. other than bob corker and jefr flake who are honest. republicans in the senate are talking to you and saying maybe we ought to move this along. i know mark warner has had some success on the intelligence committee doing that. is there some hope there? >> i always have hope. that's the reason i go to work in the mornings. but i am deeply disappointed in the republican leadership in the senate as well as the house. they've really collapsed like rusty lawn chairs.
and the real crying need is to return to that bipartisan consensus. we face an ongoing threat. not only the special prosecutor looking at putin and the potential conspiracy involving the trump campaign in the past and obstruction of justice which is unfolding before our eyes in real-time it's looking forward what putin is doing right now, the pervasive and ongoing threat to our democracy is what's really important. >> looking into the florida voting wells too and it's amazing to me that both parties don't want to say let's stop russia from hacking our election system. >> they are saying the right thing. but what's missing is action. and that will require republicans really standing up to be counted. as they did during watergate. >> senator richard blumenthal,
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muslim woman ever elected to congress and thank you for being on this morning. >> thank you for having me. >> so let's start with tezy questio -- the easy question but i have to love it. why your running? >> look, i'm really tired of being outside of the ring, especially now during a time when our country, i think, a lot of us are going through what i really believe is a troubling time in history where we don't feel like we belong or that we feel we're being left behind no matter your background. i think a lot of us on the 13th congressional district want to be able to have equal access to thrive and that's what i ran on and that's why i felt this need to run and to really fight back for all the families that are my neighbors, the people that, you know, helped raise me in the community, and i'm really excited for the opportunity to actually be able to be a voice
for all of them. >> rashida tlaib, first congratulations for winning. my question for you is you're a woman of color, you're of muslim -- you are a muslim, of immigrant origin. your parents are immigrants. you just won. how are your going to speak to some of the white americans who are scared, who are scared of they are going to be a minority, scared of people of color, of immigrants. how do you reach out to them and make sure they are on board with you and see you as an ally. >> it has to be through action not just through words. so for me my congressional district is predominantly african-american and white. many of them supported me primarily because of my history in the michigan legislature and what i stood up for. and many of them are going to have to have that direct human contact with me and the work i'm going to do. and throughout the district i'll create neighborhood service centers getting people to every
day issues will go hand-in-hand with the legislative work i do. it has to be through actions. they have to be able to proudly say yes she represents my ovals, she represents what i'm about. so many of us want to only be able to label people. she's a child of immigrant. she's palestinian. she's arab. she's a woman. but i'm a girl who grew up one wayne county like them. many of them really relate to the fact of my struggles as a new mom with the public school system, growing up in again in detroit with all of the different issues with poverty and challenges that we face every single day. so it's going to be through action and going to be able to be spoiled by me and they are going to forget that i may not look like them, but i think me having the similar challenges and me having their backs is what i think they are going remember and why they are going to be able to continue to support me. >> fair enough. yet we have a president who is working on divisive politics in this country. it's about us and them and fear
is a major role in that. how are you going to address that? you know in terms of divisiveness, in terms of fear of muslims. you know beyond action, how are you addressing that sentimentally even in your own words. >> our country is not divided. people truly believe that. i believe we're disconnected. i stood up when president trump called mexicans rapists. i stood up and absolutely said that's the most unamerican thing company have said. absolutely unfair. i stood up for my african-american neighbors when police brutality is still number one issue. black lives matter to me is something that i stand up for because as an american we all should be standing up for. we are just as connected. that's the problem with our country. that disconnection is why, you know, president trump and all the different people that are surrounding him are able to be able to be loud and be able to
continue to divide us is because we're not talking to each other and i'm hoping to be able to build a lot of that connection so that people can see just how beautiful our country is and we'll continue to be able to be. >> beautiful country. >> we just saw the video footage of the august 2016 donald trump speech which you were thrown out of. walk us through that moment. what were you proifting. what were you trying to communicate there. can any line be drawn from that day to what happened this week with you now running for office? >> you should know that moment. it wasn't just me. it was 12 other women that were with me that day. every two minutes he was asked a question. this was the first time ever that the detroit economic club didn't allow us to ask questions. he was a candidate that wanted to run for president of the united states. people don't always ask me what did you say? i asked him have you ever read the u.s. constitution. it was important to me because he was pushing for the muslim ban. he was pushing for things i
thought was against core values of our country and against the essence of the u.s. constitution. and all of us as i stood there, you know, i did it as a former michigan state representative and a lot of women knew i was coming they felt a sense of like okay if she can do it i can do it. i wanted to help elevate their voices and stand up. i'm proud of that moment because it was the most american thing i ever could have done to push back on that rhetoric. he was spewing out so much of information but not really getting to the core issues that were important to me and the other women that were in that room. >> sam stein here. i think to mika's point about women running for office, the man you will likely replace, representative john conyers was ousted in part because he was accused of being a serial sexual harasser of people in his office. he denies it, of course, but
that was the context of him leaving office. so i'm not asking you to speak specifically to his case, but in general how much do you think this me too movement has both p deciding to run, but also voting sentiment about with what type of public officials they want holding public office? >> i think, you know, it's really important to know congressman conyers was pretty courageous. one of the things you should know about him is he voted against the iraq war when it was unpopular. he voted against the patriotic act, one of the very few. we never had to check him on his votes. obviously the "me too" movement is something that is very close to me because i'm a victim of sexual harassment. i remember that moment of not really understanding what just happened. it was my first job out of college. there are people in leadership, not only in congress, but if
companies all across the country and different areas of the vector of business, film, you name it that are silent that are now speaking up and pushing back against the environment that is very toxic and unfair for women. and i'm really somebody that i hope to bring a voice to and i know that for us women, we wait to be needed. we wait until, you know, i call it the bat signal. >> that's correct. >> trump was so much the bat signaller for us like, women, we have to push forward. people laugh at me when i say clear tout room, boys, it's time for us. i don't care if you're a democrat or a republican woman, if you put us in a room to fix and deal with the gun crisis, we would do it in a matter of a few hours. we're so much more courageous when it comes to those kinds of issues that are very personal to us. and i'm hoping that we fill the halls of congress with moms like
me, with people that are so much more focused because we have so much more at stake when we're not in the room. >> and we have so much to offer. you touch on so many points that i work, rashida, every day to express to the know your value community. and i met a woman running for congress yesterday who is stepping up for many of the same reasons. women may be reticent to step up, but with when we do, we are so frustrated and we have waited so long for our moment that we're like, we're doing it, move over. rashid, you're a politician, an attorney, a mother and a wife, you are the child of immigrants. thank you. still ahead, three weeks after the one-on-one meeting between president trump and vladimir putin, the u.s.
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he doesn't have a publicist or a manager. you call the 1-800 number. if he wants to call you back, he will. that's coming up on sunday today. >> very cool. so still ahead, president the president's legal team turns down robert mueller's latest proposed terms for an interview. >> we can hear you guys talking, by the way, sam. do you want to share with the rest of the class? >> i said nothing, literally. >> come on. do you want to shaure it with te rest of the class? steve miller rocks the house. >> that's how steve miller is. >> as rudy giuliani explains, the special counsel wants to get the president under oath to trap him into perjury. plus, republican congressman chris collins isn't the only person in trump's orbit with who is entangled in financial trouble. we're going to go down the list and it's a long one. "morning joe" will be right back. fact is, every insurance company hopes you drive safely.
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>> that is congressman chris collins, just over two years ago at the republican national convention. today, he joins this list of people charged with or pleading to crimes. trump's second campaign manager, trump's deputy campaign manager, trump's first national security adviser, trump's campaign foreign policy adviser, trump's first campaign manager and now trump's first congressional endorser and member of his transition team. >> hey, i'm no special counsel, but it kind of feels like there's a pattern here and maybe, maybe one of these witch-hunts where you just walk out of your front door and all the witches are just landing in your front lawn. >> right there in the yard. good morning and welcome to "morning joe." i don't know. it seems like a pattern on this thursday, august 9th. we've got joe, willie and me and along with us politics editor for the daily beast sam stein, political writer nick comfosori,
john that here mere of the associated press and author zaneb salbi, former justice department spokes maman and now msnbc analyst matthew miller and now kasie hunt. okay. in the news this morning in an interview last night, president trump's lawyer said special counsel robert mueller will personally have a lot to answer for hours after he rejected mueller's latest effort to get a sit down interview with the president. they had they had made a court offer. trump's attorneys publicly voiced their desire for the probe to end within the next few
weeks and suggested mueller would be violating doc policies if it does not end. we don't have an internal deadline. we are more special dishusly. you've said and i said we want to see this come to chose your soon here. >> yeah. i also think and hope the special counsel is as sensitive as to it as we are, we don't want to run into the november elections. this should be over by september 1st. >> if it isn't over by september, we have a very, very serious violation of the justice department rules. but what giuliani claims would be a serious violation is, in fact, a distortion. as the justice department inspecer general recently wrote that the 60-day rule is not written or described in any department policy or regulation.
adding, it is generalized, unwritten guidance that prosecutors did not indict political candidates or use overt investigative methods in the weeks before an election, not that they terminate investigations. >> and mika, it's important to remember that rudy giuliani, back in the 1990s, was -- i mean, he was whole hog into the investigation of bill clinton. and it was perfectly fine that ken starr conducted an investigation that went on years and years through one election after another after another after another. robert mueller is not going to indict anybody right before an election and that will be consistent with guidelines. but you have -- if you were in pursuit of a couple of dozen russians who you have evidence have violated american democracy, tried to undermine american democracy, you don't end that investigation. because rudy giuliani tells us
to end that investigation. in fact, if you need guidance from rudy giuliani, just go back and on just about every topic see what he said back when republicans were indicting or trying to indict bill clinton. >> giuliani went on to challenge the special counsel's motive for seeking an interview. and suggested mueller will soon be the one under scrutiny. >> we offered him an opportunity to do a form of questioning. he can say yes or no. we can do it. if he doesn't want to do it, he knows the answers to every question that he wants to ask. he's going to ask him, did you tell comey to go easy on flynn? no. why do you want to get him under oath? because you want to trap him into originalry. t perjury. >> he has all the answers.
they're not going to change. the president is not going to change his testimony. so stop the nonsense. you are trying to trap him into perjury because you don't have a case. >> i've never been involved in an investigation on either side. that's more illegitimate than this one that is so obviously more illegitimate and i wonder where is the sense of justice on the part of mueller, on the part of the justice department. the real story is not that this case is going to fizzle. it's that it's going to blow up on them. there's a lot more to what they did that nobody knows about yet. and mueller is going to have a lot to answer for. >> you know, with rudy giuliani going around and his eyes bulging and he's looking disoriented, you look for excuses for america's mayor. for being this wildly off base.
again, we just showed off the top of the show all of the members of the trump administration and the trump campaign that have already been indicted and are also that have already pled guilty, that have already pled guilty. i mean, you, on top of that, have 25 russians. this is an active investigation. now, rudy giuliani says they have nothing. they already have trump's second campaign manager, trump's -- i mean, indicted. trump's national security adviser indicted. and trump's first congressional endorser now indicted.
the man who put his name into nomination for republican nominee, now indicted. and 25 russians where the united states military and the united states intel agencies have said, this is the forensic evidence of vladimir putin, the gru, ex kgb agents trying to undermine american democracy. how does giuliani even -- i mean, how does he even have the nerve to even go on there and say what he just said? >> that's a lot of indictments and plea bargains for an illegitimate investigation. may 10th, the vice president of the united states says i think it's time to wrap it up. rowdy giuliani has said time and time again, put up or shut up.
and he repeated as he did last night that bob mueller doesn't have anything. >> the president's team is now saying that they want it to hurry up and quickly end. i'm always amaze at what the mayor's team will will say on the record. what he said in that interview is that the president's story, if put into testimony, is a lie. because it would put him into
perjury. >> people think i'm joking about it. i'm not if i was president of the united states and all of my lawyers thought i was too stupid or too much of a liar to sit down and talk to robert mueller, i'd fire them. but this is all we have heard consistently from donald trump's lawyers. that mueller will twist his head into circles that he's such a liar. there would be a problem if the editor of the "new york times" called me up and said we can't let nick go on today. my response would be, well, then don't lie. have him tell the truth.
every time giuliani and his lawyers say he's just too stupid or he's not smart enough, they come on and say, you know what? we can't let him on there because he'll perger himself. >> a sit down with a special counsel is no joke and even an innocent person would go into that with some fear and trepidation. if he can learn to tell the truth for two hours, he can get through it without being in perjury. >> this isn't a clear obstruction of justice. you have a lot of construction here.
we need to call it out. >> he sets these arbitrary deadlines and he keeps moving the goal posts trying to outrage republicans or others. it's been effective. the polling on mueller's probe has dropped in recent months. they're the ones who are dragging this on. that's part of this argument here is they're saying this is too long, it's a waste of time, it's a distraction, it's slowing on the president's agenda. >> mueller may push pause here. he doesn't have to wrap it up before september 1st. this could be something that
resumes in november or december and, of course, we saw from james comey, he doesn't have to push pause, either. this is no hard and fast statute on the books that says he can't do this in election season. >> still ahead, there's donald trump and donald trump jr., michael anyone and michael flynn jr. congressman chris collins and his son, cameron. there's a new legal affair under streetmy at this time. we'll talk about it straight ahead on "morning joe." but first, here is bill carin wes a check on the forecast. >> we have 60 large tun tamed fires now in california. still burning in the mendocino complex and the carr fire is about to head into the top ten, too.
it's endless. we're not getting the wet weather or the cooler temperatures. and the temperatures themselves today are soaring. it's going to be 106 in the interior sections of washington state. so today's forecast in areas of the southeast, you'll get some thunderstorms to deal with. we're getting a break in areas of new england after the overnight storms. not too bad in the middle of the country. stray storm around chicago. but look at how hot. boise, 106 today and tomorrow will be even hotter. the possibility of getting up there, about 108 all-time temperatures in boise, 111. so not that far away. and no moisture coming this weekend as we head towards the west. saturday, watch out. another soaking rain coming from the mid-atlantic states. that should linger over the top of us on sunday. the weekend forecast has quickly gotten worse for areas around philly, new york city and southern new england for saturday and sunday. unfortunately i'm all full of bad news today. new york city, enjoy today is
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it's the ultimate wifi experience. xfinity xfi, simple, easy, awesome. the first member of congress to endorse president trump, chris collins is now charged with lying to investigators on an investment in an australian biocompany. collins was at a congressional picnic at the white house last year when he learned that innate immuno therapy putics received d news on a trial. prosecutors say the congressman franticly attempted to reach his son, cameron, whom he tipped off to the confidential corporate information days before it was made public. they claim cameron collins and
several others used the information to avoid more than $700,000 in losses. when news of the failed drug trial was made public, the shares of the company plummeted. speaking yesterday after being charged, collins who pleaded not guilty refuted the allegations against him. >> the charges that have been levied against me are meritless. and i will mount a vigorous defense in court to clear my name. i look forward to being fully vindicated and exonerated ending any and all questions relating to my affiliation with innate. as i fight to clear my name, i will continue to work hard for the people and constituents of new england and l remain on the ballot running for re-election this november.
>> collins is just the latest to find himself in legal jeopardy, including with his former personal attorney as president, michael cohen, also under investigation by the southern district of new york for tax fraud. cohen simultaneously served the president and had a business to cash in on his connections. last week, the journal reported that a top trump donor agreed the to pay cohen $10 million if he successfully pushed a nuclear project. and then there's sitting and former members of the president's cabinet with questions of financial misdoings. forbes had recently, man, what a report, that comments of wilber ross's businesses have sparked lawsuits, reimbursements and a fine from the s.e.c. tom price was questioned about a favorable purchase of a stock at the time of -- that he was also
at the center of congressman collin's arrest, price was fired amid scandals and his use of private jets. and then there's former epa administrator scott pruitt. talk about the swamp. it's now up to trump's neck. he, of course, intended the white house fourth of july barbecue while under 16 investigations. many of those involving his personal finances. then he was allowed to resign. but there's such a culture of corruption. since trump says he's only good until 11:00 a.m. in the morning, that was a pretty busy 9:30 to 11:00 block he had there doing
some insider trading. but you look, you look at the forbes article, there is just a culture of corruption and, of course, as they always say, the fish rots from the head. yeah. and matt miller, these are just the people around president trump. what about the trump family itself, still profiting in many ways off its hotels. ivanka finally had to shut down her clothing line. but they are still making money. they put things in a trust in a way that does not isolate them from profits to put it mildly. >> i think joe hit the nail on the head when he called it a culture of corruption. democrats have the ability to make this case that there is a culture that starts at the top with donald trump, starts with his family members, kind of pervasive throughout his administration. you could talk about the treasury secretary's flights on government planes, the interior secretary has been under inspector general investigations. now we see it moving over to a member of congress pt and the problem for other members of congress, that isn't to say every member of congress is corrupt. of course not.
but every one of them right now is allowing this to go unchecked. there's no republican chairman, there's no one in a leadership position. there's really no one on the hill who is saying, you know what? we need to get to the bottom of what's happening in this administration and stop it and investigate it and shine some sunlight. so that becomes a political vulnerability for all of them. i think want one of the interesting subplots of this chris collins thing is that he is now the second person to literally have committed a crime on the white house grounds. he made that call while he was standing on the white house grounds. it's the same place where mike flynn, in his white house office, sat down with the fbi and lied to the fbi. you could make a case that the white house compound now has the highest crime rate of any neighborhood in washington. coming up on "morning joe," do as i say, not as i do. that's how you might interpret a heated moment yesterday between the judge and prosecution during paul manafort's criminal trial. matt miller explains that, straight ahead. "morning joe" is coming right back.
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$16 million in unreported income from ukraine. >> wow. >> which manafort allegedly spent between 2010 and 2014 just a few years before he sought an unpaid role leading the president's campaign. there was a tense moment between special counsel prosecutors when the judge discovered a witness had been in the courtroom for other testimony. as "the washington post" described, ellis erupted saying that he typically bars all witnesses, save the case a agent from observing the proceedings. and thought he had done so in this case. u.s. attorney yuso asanye said he believed the transcript would back him up that he had allowed the case expert to remain. >> i don't care what the transcript said.
maybe i made a mistake. don't do it again. >> matt miller, the judge has been butting heads with the prosecution it seems from the beginning. doesn't seem to like the prosecuting attorneys too much. what's going on there? >> i think a little bit of a case of black robitis. judge ellis is known to be tough on the prosecution. i think a number of times he's been out of line here. if you look at him here, it's almost like when your parents would say it doesn't matter what i said, i want you to do this, anyway. sort of admitting that even if he made a mistake, he's blaming the prosecutors on it. you've seen him at times accusing one of the prosecutors of crying and personal terms. i think the ultimate question is what impact it's going to have on the case. if this was a much closer case, i bet the prosecution would be pretty worried, some of which would be worried if it were in front of a jury.
there's such strong evidence on of paul manafort that it's not likely to tip the balance at the end of the day. >> i was surprised when the judge told one of the attorneys to stop crying in the courtroom. he said i'm not crying. and it's just like yesterday where they said, well, wait, but you said he could. just read the transcript. i don't care what's in the transcript. not the sort of stable justice that you want overseeing an important case like this. what's the story? what's his background? >> let me just say something about the crying. that particular prosecutor that he said was crying used to prosecute the mob. he locked up the benado family in new york and had to be under round the clock protection because while he was investigating the benado family they tried to assassinate him. so i doubt very much he was crying in the courtroom because of tough words from the judge. this is a judge that's been on the bench for a long time.
judges, look, they have lifetime terms for a reason, to make them insulated from political pressure. there are down sides that come with the good side and one of the down sides is you see judges with this air began approach in the courtroom. you hear from people that practice in that court that judge ellis is like that in a lot of cases. but he's also a judge that likes to show off a little bit from the press and i think you're seeing some of that here. >> coming up, is seeing believing? the russian bots trailing social media. we'll talk about it next on "morning joe."
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house, during my spring break and i was watching that on c. span which tells you what a loser i have been for a very long time. >> a membership is expected to continue work on a broad budget outline embracing president bill clinton's economic plan that was unveiled to congress on february 17th, as well as the $16.3 billion fiscal year 1993 supplemental spending bill. >> the american people proved in 1992 that they were ready to hear the truth. >> reducing the federal government, being reform oriented and believing in change is ultimately the answer for the united states of america. >> so i believe that is how you spent your spring break back in 1993? >> '3. those were rocking good times. .and i will say, you move it forward now to 2018, and people should have been listening to tim penny and john kasich back
then. and, of course, we balanced the budget three years in a row after that, but right now, it's pretty remarkable. we've got the largest national debt ever. under donald trump and the republican congress. we've passed the largest spending bill in the history of america under donald trump and the republican congress. biggest pentagon budget ever in the history of the united states. we're spending more now on entitlement programs than we ever have before under this republican congress. more on domestic spending. i mean, every single category that you go through. donald trump and this republican congress, spending more and stealing more from our children and grandchildren than ever before. you know, mika, this is -- these people, if you just look at how they're spending our taxpayer
dollars, they're not only corrupt, but they'res also -- they're not conservative. they're not close to being conservative. they're big spending radicals and they're speeding us up towards insolvency. it's really reckless and irresponsible. >> you wonder who people are trying to protect and exactly why. joining us now, eugene robinson, brett stevens and deputy washington bureau chief at "time" magazinelty ex altman. the latest issue in time includes a piece called the real fake new crisis. bots and propaganda are part of the problem. the bigger issue is your brain. >> you know, brett, speaking of conservatives and republicans, you know, the one thing, we would always fight on the floor
of congress on with whether it's on foreign spending, foreign aid, whether it was trade, with whether it was getting involved in bosnia, whether it was -- when it had to do with taxes. there were always battles. but the one thing that always united conservative and moderate republicans where we were always together was on smaller government. >> right. >> on balanced budgets. on fiscal responsibility. and this radicalism, this spending radicalism that you can see in black and white, that you can see in dollars and cents, that you can see on the national debt clock, it shows just how radical donald trump and paul ryan and mitch mcconnell's congress has come to spending us into debt. >> right. they're unrecognizable as the republican party that i remember and that i was proud to see
my -- to affiliate with when rob a ronald reagan was president. not so subtle white identity politics and blow out deficits and blow out spending. so what's the point? it's the reason why people should be cheering the idea that democrats should take over at least one house of congress, not just for the political hygiene that would represent. but if you're going to have big spenders, let's have big spenders who believe in those purposes of government rather than essentially a hypocritical party mouthing pieties in precisely the opposite way, joe. >> and you have great advice for democrats who are running for office. you're saying forget collusion. just talk about the corruption. this is the most corrupt administration in our lifetime.
if you look just judge them on their first 18 months. one of the biggest problems for democratic candidates would be narrowing down all of the corruption and figuring out what to zam into a 30-second ad because there's so much corruption in there and donald trump, paul ryan, and mitch mcconnell's washington. >> corruption and then the questions of honor and integrity in the white house, the ones that, by the way, george w. bush successfully ran with in 2000 against a much less -- a much less tainted white house in bill clinton. i'm not saying forget collusion because i don't think it's potentially important or revelatory. what i'm talking about is strategy. if robert mueller comes up with the goods, if we discover it's as bad as many of us expect, then the chips will fall where they may. but i sometimes fear that democrats will spend all of their time talking, taking a
gamble in effect that the russia story is going to pay political dividends for them. it may or may not. what really they ought to be focussing on is the fact that you have a president who lies several hundred times a day, give or take an administration in which there's one scandal after another, most recently with wilbur ross with, tom price, scott pruitt, you know, that ought to be front and center in -- on every democratic campaign mat form. >> gene robin sorn. >> yeah. >> brett mentioned the lying. and we write about that all the time. but i don't think we actually pay enough attention to it. think about it. we have a president of the united states who lies at a clip of at the moment 16 or 17 times a day. he tells the american people things that patently are false, that are self-serving and false. we never had that before. we had presidents who, you know, lied here or there and who spun
things this way or that way. we've never had that. it's just an extraordinary situation. and brett is absolutely right. this is certainly the most corruption administration that i can recall and that's with no sort of, you know, not carrying any water for with, you know, nixon and, yes, there were some ethical challenges with the clinton administration and every administration. actually, except the obama administration, there's usually somebody indicted. but this is just incredible and extraordinary. i don't think democrats are going to miss that. at least i hope they don't. >> it's really hard to wrap our head around everything that's going on at this point. alex, let's go to the piece in time, the real fake news crisis. what is it? >> well, there's a dimension that academics and researchers have been noticing that goes beyond politicians spreading
misinformation or bots and controls or bad foreign actors. and that's the fact that we, the readers, are extremely susceptible to false claims spread around the internet. all day long, we use cognitive shortcut toes make decisions to help get us through our day. and those tend to break down when we're confronted with an avalanche of information. so we do things like move too fast, we click on headlines we haven't read. we share links that we've only seen other people's synopsis on. we rely on other people's credibilities. what academics and psychologists say if we want to stop the proliferation of bad information, we need to slow down and engage our critical thinking faculties because we are a big part of the problem. >> alex, what's the reality of that happening? the world is not getting slower, it's going faster every minute of every day. so how do you stop something
that is so pervasive and so becoming built into our brains, which is to say i've seen something before, i believe it to be true or not to take na extra step of confirming what i read or having to take everything online with a grain of salt? >> you make an excellent point. that's why a lot of the folks say it's really a public health crisis. in some effects, what we need you to do is rewire the way that we interact with when we're confronted on the landscape of the internet and all of these tore ends of information. we need to slow down. we need to read more carefully. we need to question the claims that we're seeing, whether they're by politicians who we may agree with, politicians who we don't. even studies that may seem to be tip top officials. so, you know, it's really on us. you know, i think that the -- the russian effort sort of to sew discord and spread false information government officials say is not going to stop, including with the president,
has a predelection for spreading this, this notion that fake news is pervasive. in order to avoid amplifying some of those claims, we have to do our own part. >> and i wonder, brett stevens, how much this really is new to american politics. and how much of it has just been part of our core for a very long time. you go back to the election of 1800, people talk about that being the nastiest race in american history. 1964, the famous book by richard hofstetter, and think about that fact. this is a politico headline from april 22nd, 2011. more than half of democrats believe that george w. bush knew about the 9/11 attacks and that was a story talking about how more than half of republicans believed that barack obama was
born in kenya. and so the question is, you know with, is this just who we have been? the difference is we have reckless public figures that are feeding into this paranoia. >> well, whether he said it or not, the line attributed to p.t.barnum for a long time, there's a sucker born every minute. i think two things are new here. one is the level of civic education has been declining. civics aren't being taught as they should in school so people believe all kinds of things about how government operates. how does a phrase like deep state gain as much currency as it has today, except through a kind of 30 or 40 years of miseducation of the american people? and then that has been weaponized, if you will, by the tools of social media in which
the dissemination of false or truthy news happens at a speed that is simply unbelievable. look, the other issue here is simply this. as the facebooks of the world have proliferated, as more people get their news from social media, the function of editors has diminished. and so, you know, what do editors do? we are a line of defense against, you know, a second pair of eyes saying, hey, that doesn't sound right to me. there's something the matter with that. and now the number of news organizations in which those editors play that core function is getting, unfortunately, smaller and smaller. >> and the reach of those news organizations that do that is less significant in terms of how people get their news. >> the post of the times are doing well. but -- >> exactly. but i mean, we used to be a filter, a big filter.
>> but that's a great point, gene, because think bit. you have the daily news in new york which is always provided an extraordinarily important function of keeping local and state officials honest. mean, b newsroom was wiped out. and you have facebook, which is having trouble figuring out whether alex jones conspiracy theories, same with twitter, about whether that's worth publishing or not. facebook itself, 50% of americans getting their news from facebook. i mean, therein lie also the problem right there. >> yes, that's part of the problem. we could do a whole show on the crisis in local and state level news. and as brett said, "the new york times" and "washington post" are doing fine. national, international reach and everything. but, you know, papers that cover cities and state government are
suffering. and, you know, there's malfeasance going on that's not being reported. >> ask yourself, how did the seth rich story not kill sean hannity's career. and that's -- i think that's some instructive -- >> the reason here is in this "times" story, right, the enemy really is us. what facebook is a mirror. it's the most effective mirror and concentrator of what we already care about and are passionate about. if you look at russian propaganda on facebook, it is mostly real material taken from actual real facebook faces. what they've done is held up the mirror to our own worse anger. what we have here is a hard problem to solve because it's really -- it's rooted in what we as americans want and are passionate about. >> alex altman, thank you so much. last hour, we spoke with rashida talib, poised to become
the first muslim woman elected to congress after her victory on tuesday in michigan. 2018 is set to become a record year for a variety of diverse groups with a record number of women. 185 so far having been nominated to run for the house alone. this november. and women are now the major party nominees for governor in 11 states. as many as 90 muslim-american candidates have ran for statewide or national office this year, the most since september 11th, 2001. and there are a record number of native americans and a record number of women among that group as well running for office in the midterms. our next guest is helping to usher in a rainbow wave with a record number of lgbtq candidates. more than 400 running for office this year. former democratic mayor of houston, aanese parker, joins u now.
thank you very much for being on this morning. tell us why you are running at this point. what's your biggest message? >> all of our candidates are running because they care about their constituents and they're focused on local issues. but they're also very aware that the lgbt community is facing a backlash across the country, particularly in state legislators, where anti-transbills, so-called bathroom bill, are popping up. where so-called religious freedom bills are targeting the lgbt community and they are motivated just as the other communities you mentioned, wanting to serve, but concerned about the direction of our country. >> and talk about this rainbow wave that you're looking at and you're running. we got 400 lgbt candidates running for office this year across the board. what is this inspired by? and is it trump based? >> it's partially trump based
but it's not just that. it is a concern about the direction of the country all across america. while there is a very real fear that the trump administration will roll back a lot of the progress we've made in the lgbt community, the worst of the bills that are targeting us are coming in the statehouses across america, and we have an unprecedented number, as you've said, more than 400 out lgbt candidates running. there are only 559 currently sitting lgbt elected officials. we have a map called the alpha america map. anyone can access it and look it up. 559 currently serving. this is a surge of candidates. many of them reflect that broader wave of women, of candidates of color, of transcandidates. we have a handful of republican candidates, a very tiny handful
of republican candidates. these are people who are values-driven leaders who want to serve their community who happen to be lgbtq. they may be running an anti-trump message but that's not the basis of their campaign. that's a tactic that may work in some districts. >> mayor, it's good to see you this morning. i've thinking about danica rome who won a seat in virginia. a transwoman. the emphasis of her campaign was to clear up congestion and get rid of the traffic on route 28 and she hammered that local message home until she was elected. some people even criticized her for not emphasizing more of the fact that she was a transwoman. so how do you recommend to candidates wanting to work that balance between their identity, how important is that, versus the themes and issues that are important to voters in their districts? >> all politics is local. danica execute perdly on the playbook. and that is to be open and authentic, to allow voters to
know who you are. and what she cared abouts what serving her constituents and that particular issue was the top issue for her constituents. that's what we ask our candidates to run on across america and that's what they're doing. they're running for the same reasons anyone else runs. they want to serve. and you have to match your district. you have to understand your district. >> anise parker, thank you so much for talking about the surge of these candidates running for office, stepping up. we appreciate it. >> you know, mika, we do so much throughout the day, three hours, it's hard to really consolidate the most important few minutes of every day. you know? >> well, i know, because there's so much going on. >> too much. >> before we wrap up today, joe, let's take a quick look back at the day's most important conversation. >> who's your uncool band, and it can't be like black flag. >> i'll stick with dave matthews. >> dave matthews is cool. you have to go with
monkeys or the carpenters. is this along the lines of creed? >> sam likes kiss. >> sam stein, he told me before the show, he still has a poster of hanson up. i said the carpenters. they rock -- >> anyone like pink floyd? >> yes, we all like pink floyd. >> and the dead? >> operation social distortion. >> hall and oats? >> mick said the wiggles. >> straight up def leppard guy. >> i like andy gibb and the bee gees. >> i did not, for some reason, like steely dan when i was in high school and college. i like them now. >> are the goo goo dolls uncool? >> i was more of a punk rock guy than goo goo dolls. huey lewis has to be top of the list. abba has made an appearance, partridge family. >> maybe i'm not cool. i didn't know huey lewis wasn't cool. >> i used to be with it but then
they changed what it was. now what i'm with isn't it and what's it seems weird and scary to me. it will happen to you. >> oh, my gosh. oh, my gosh. joe. really took things off the tracks. >> ten years ago, rolling stone put out a list of the top 25 guilty pleasure bands. ready for the top five? number five is chicago. number four is abba. number three is journey. number two is elo. and the number one guilty pleasure band according to rolling stone magazine, rush, number one on the list. >> oh. rush. >> pretty good choice. don't stop believing. >> what happened to van halen? are they a guilty pleasure or just a pleasure? >> just a pleasure, turns out. >> straight-up pleasure. >> no one says duran duran, right, because that's too guilty? >> no, no. >> we never admit that publicly. >> joe, you cannot forget the
reason kasie d.c. exists and that would be ac/dc. >> how about enya? i kind of like enya. >> way too cool for this discussion. mika, you mentioned bee gees. now, i hope you're referring to disco-era bee gees because that's a guilty pleasure of mine. >> andy gibb had an album -- >> -- the c-span soundtrack. >> i do like that. i do love that. >> and that soothing voice, mika, that soothing voice. >> well, shadow dancing. there's nothing better. >> well, actually -- yes, there is a hell of a lot better. we don't have time to go through that. by the way, i didn't know that rolling stone -- i didn't know that elo was a guilty pleasure. another great band. chicago. the eagles. >> let's just end it.