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phrase. >> then there is the score you say is one of your favorite films and here is the climatic scene. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> spielberg said without john williams, bikes can't fly. >> well, i love that scene and it always -- it always interested me wanting to know at least how fast you have to go on a bicycle to escape gravity. what is escape velocity? i asked a gentleman from nasa in

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part of. it is true you said to spielberg you need a better composer and he said i know but they're all dead? and effortlessly responds to both of you. our smart sleepers get 28 minutes more restful sleep per night. proven quality sleep. only from sleep number. i think that's carvana. let's go. let's go. adjusting the amount. adjusting the amount. yes, please. a lot can happen in a moment. whoa. i just bought a car from carvana. like finding your perfect mix of down and monthly payments. finance your next car with carvana today. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ this is going to be great. taking the shawl off. ok i did it. is he looking at my hairline? is plaque psoriasis making you rethink your everyday choices?

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up with. >> all right. good. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ >> and that is why i didn't go into the water for several years in the mid 70s. spielberg says that that score, that da, da, da, da, was responsible for at least half the success of the movie. >> it might be. it's interesting that little clip that you've shown how it would start slowly and softly and accelerate as it gets closer to christie, our swimmer and she becomes in greater danger as it gets louder and louder and simple, very simple unstoppable rhythmic structure. da, da, da, it's relentless.

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♪ ♪ >> is it true that when you saw the movie before you composed the score that you said to spielberg, you need a better composer and he said i know but they're all dead? >> that's true which that's a true story. >> meaning that you thought it was such a classic piece of work you needed -- >> well, i said to steven, it's such a great film and how could -- how could any composer be -- come up to this? i thi i did the best i could but i love his line. great composers are all dead some days they seem to be as culture evolves. >> you still have -- >> there son-in-law one beethoven. >> well -- >> thank you for that. >> the other thing is it is the inspiration of the film, the writing, the performance, you can stop that film on any frame anywhere and freeze it on some extra's face and the impression

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>> spielberg says the two of you had a performance, an appearance at a concert where you played a scene from one of the raiders movies without any music and that frankly, he says it was long and boring and then you played it with the music, you played it live with the orchestra and it was a totally different experience. >> it is completely different. it will come prepress the time certainly to give us good music and seems like the train when you refer to about four minutes. running it without the music, it seems like six minutes. so it's almost like riding a horse. if the tempo is exactly right you won't feel it. if you're fighting the editorial rhythm of the film, too fast, too slow, you don't have that liquid sin kronization that you want. >> still to come, the oscar winning movie, john williams was almost too intimidated to be

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good pianist and she's called mitsy in the film and she plays the piano in the film and 30 films or that we've done there is never a piano solo for whatever reason so that's from a context point of view, some aspect. >> how is working with spielberg different from other directors? >> i worked with many other directors, many wonderful directors. steven and i if you have noted been together for a very long time. it's different in the sense we know each other well. we have a short hand of working together after all these many years. he's a close friend. he's many, many things, chris. you know, he's a producer and a studio head and director and writer and a friend. he's also not something. he's not someone you can say no

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Still filming, Spielberg, 76, wins Berlin lifetime award

Director Steven Spielberg, picking up a lifetime achievement award at the Berlin Film Festival, said the prospect of making new films continued to excite h..

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kind of know, "avatar" obviously i know, but "everything everywhere all at once." >> that is michelle yeoh. it is a fantastic concept and it's a concept of a film, but movies used to entertain us and take us to a different place and really with these block busters finally the academy is saying the entertainment factor of a movie counts. >> like "top gun." >> like "top gun," "avatar." these are huge movies with huge box office and that -- if you are a fan of the movies, that's what you want to see. you want there could be what you like as well as the art house flicks. >> so they opened it up, it used to be four or five and now i'm like, wow, this is a ton of films. >> let's think of that for a moment. they open it up for way more movies and we still don't get the diversity in film. the same directors that we've heard for decades, spielberg,

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