john: he jokes about his problem with steven colbert. we get help with experiments and treatments, which ones work. >> we just have to try things. john: let us experiment, that is our show tonight. john: this tv show is about ideas. but tonight i will bother with you my personal problem, my own life taught me a lesson about benefits of limited government. without so many rules, that does not prevent you from trying experiments. i can stand up right now, because, i have tried some experiments i can speak to you because i tried dozens of experiments. i'll conservative speaking first, i am a stut erica olsen, er. when i was a kid in school i i would stay silence in class, and avoid parties. i would hang up on the phone. now because of caller i.d., stutterers cannot do, that i got a job at a tv station, i never expected to go on tv when i did, i stuttered so badly i wanted to quit, i tried all kinds of therapies. all these experts said they could cure me, but they couldn't, until i got help from a clinic in roanoke, virginia that reteaches stutterers how to speak, that worked. i came out of treatment fluent. my speech is better than it used to be, i would play you my before and after tapes but they were lost in roanoke value, flood, we will look at someone else's before. >> the potential -- the -- p- portfoliop-pdifficultys. >> this one di guy invited my ia trip, it was supposed to be so romantic, he brings his mother. john: congratulations oil proving your speech, you are a model, and actress and having speaking parts now. >> yes, i have shot a lot of commercials and a film, i do a lot of work, which is awesome for hollywood. snow you also started a lot of experiments. >> i started speech class 8 years old, i tried all types of techniques, stretching every word together, i tried just talking into speaking out loud. talking to my dad. and then, went on. john: speaking of your dad, stutters runs in families, he stutters. >> my dad, my grand dad did. my cus ins do. -- cousins do, it has run in our family. john: about 5% of children go through some period of stuttering. most of them recover on their own. by late child hood. but about 1% do not. 4 times as many men as women, you are unusual that way. >> yes. i am one of few. john: and let's talk about this weird clinic we went to, it is really boring. >> it is. >> they slow us down, to two seconds per syllable to reteach us how to speak. this is about half a second per syllable. >> it takes a long time to have a conversation. but, they retaught us how to breathe and speak. that was one of the things that takes, awhile to understand, which we hear what a normal conversation is, from another person, and we. john: which is really very fast. >> we want to cop that's -- copy that, we're forcing words out rather than thinking how are we saying the word, and how our throat skpefrg works fo and eveg works for us. john: they put us in little rooms with a computer. >> now there is an app, i actually, before i go into every casting, i will hole my phone up, and -- hold my phone up and speak into the phone to make sure i talk clearly. john: to practice. >> to practice before every audition. john: we know how to speak correct khre, thaly. lear are othelee are stutters tt know were *eufrbg tige. tiger woods was afraid to answer questions in school. >> a simple question of most frightening thing, if you can't speak it. john: shaquille o'neal, teacher used to call on students in chat, i would sit there saying please don't call me. me. >> you know this guy. >> the most debilitating thing, people, hard to ask you to go to the prom, they look at you, they say this must be a he must be an idiot. john: well i have my own political opinion, but. he went on to say that in latin classes, his name nam nickname s joe impedementa . he said he helped himself by standing in the mirror, and quoting yates skpeupler son and. and samuel jackson? >> he talks about, we know how he swears a lot, he will say a swear word with the actual word hements to say, that helps him speak clearly. but marilyn monroe also did, i read into a lot of her work, she she would sit in the back of class, he said tha everything very sloy with a lot of breathiness. john: thank you fire dawson we learned from our experimenttation. the therapy that helped her, helped me, had no government sale of approval. it was relatively new, and untested, if it had to get government approval, she and i might never have been helped. it is still illegal for that clinic to offer to people in other states, america has so many rules that limit innovations, licenses rules in that case, remember the king's speech, it told a true story how king of england good help for his stuttering by going do an unlicenseed expert. >> my physician said, it relaxes -- the throat. >> they are idiots. >> they have all been knighted. >> it makes it official then. john: at first, the king criticizeed his new speech therapist. >> ni training, no diploma, a greet deal of no. >> lock me in the tower. john: the king goes ahead with the therapy, and unlicensed therapist helped him. here is one other unlicenseed therapy, that is stranger but as an experiment i tried it, when a difference it ahead in my life. -- it made in my life, for years his crippleing back pain. >> i spend years on my back, doing phone interviews, whatever i thought lying down meeting less of a strain on my back, there was a report on my back pain i did years ago, i took x-rays to this doctor. i had real stuff, disk problems s a crack. >> yes, they are normal. john: normal? that is what that doctor said, he claimed movie of what orthopedists and other so-called experts say about back pain is wrong, i was skeptical, but he said, how come everyone got back pain after ulcers got cureed? back is a strongs is psychological, you don't have a physical problem, you have a psychological problem, he said, i resiveed that claim, but -- i resisted that claim, and i saw howard stern said my life of the filled with back pain until i applied dr. sarno's principles in a phaelter of week phaelter r of weeks my pain disappeared, we went to a lecture, then some other people he helped would speak out about highway they got rid of their pain by ignoring it. attending one lecture, and reading his book, changed my life, i still get back spasms but, i ignore them they go away. people come to me, i saw that youtube video of you with back pain, it changedn my life, it hard to believe a lecture or a book could change so much but it did for me, theory is another one who was -- here is another man who was once paralyzeed with back 59. >back pain. >> tuesday. width, day 6, thursday. this is day 7, i was stum there for weeks unable to move on the floor of my office, i called dr. sarno 92 in. john: that is michael golinsky. you were skeptical too, but desperate? >> i was skeptical but i had a basis for belief, my fa her read the book in 80s and had gotten better after having an ulcer, i read the book, i saw my father on the pages and my brother and myself. john: the doctor said i do a lousy job. >> if you believe that it is a physical problem, that is a distraction for repressedic motions that might come up, if you stick on that idea you will not get better, if you embrace the idea it is not a vehicle you rally problem -- it is not a structural problem you get rid of the fear,. john: emotion could be anger or agenagent. >> he said they are goodests, people who do good things for others, they would get up early to move their mother's car to make sure they don't get a ticket. john: my brother is a fancy harvard doctor they trust, he had similar back pain, he spend time hanging by his neck in the we're track device. i told him doctor sarno said, he was probably an angry man, and he said this. >> if anybody told me that was all in my head, my rage would not be rether repressed. >> what do you have to lose? why not go to sarno try it? >> there are a lot of ridiculous things that i could do that woeup work. john: it workedf me. >> i am not convinced. >> it does sound ridiculous but you read story after story it is not, sarno is now in his 90s he is no longer practicing. >> there are about 50 people who treat with this methodology, there is no licenseing structure, which is a good thing, ideas come and go by themselves. john: thank you michael golinsky. what do you think, would you try an experiment at treatment, give us your opinion on twitter. so, my back pain is mostly cureed. so it my stuttering, but, i am still not happy. i worry a lot. i wish i were happier, some people say, you just need a hug. here is a woman offering hugs in times square. >> you want a hug? i want a hug. john: actually want a hug a stranger? does this create happiness? another small experiment when we return. unlimited cash back. let that phrase sit with you for a second. unlimited. as in, no limits on your hard-earned cash back. as in no more dealing with those rotating categories. the quicksilver card from capital one. unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase, every day. don't settle for anything less. i'll keep asking. what's in your wallet? 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[cheering] the fastest in-home wifi for your entire family. the x-1 entertainment operating system. only from xfinity. >> who wants a hug? john: what is this woman yelling about. >> anyone feeling bad, i have hugs for you. john: she is offering people hug therapy, people take her up on it. elmo. the woman is ricky ratliff, one of my producers, i asked her to do this there is a theory that hugging makes you and them more trusting more willing to cooperate with people, and happier. >> i feel great. >> i feel better too, it's weird. john: i asked my produceer to do that because, i didn't want to do it our show title is let us experiment, hugging strangers in times square is not my kind of experiment. but, paul zach is easier to do it, he has done versions of if there are last 14 years, why? >> we wonder idea prosperity lives in some countries not other, we studied role of trust, we wanted a biological basis for why we trust strangers. john: because of a chemical in our body? >> it functions to cause us to resip kate, almost always. you are nice to me, i am nice to you. john: my hugging people, people release more of that hormone. >> oxyto since. john: makes people happier. >> and healthier, and promoteing cooperation, without anybody telling us we have to. john: you try to do a scientific experiment with this in america, america said no. >> we did our first study in europe, and now have gotten fda approval a backdoor method for oxitosin instution studies in u.s., for a given environment why would you trust me? >> i would not, you some are weirdo with a drug. >> and a crazy white coat, we did it recall of time, but if we don't the economy crashs, unless we have someone telling us what to do we have to create opportunity to create wealth, and country with high trust we see higher prosperity, greater happiness, and greater well being issue unless we use the drug in u.s. we could not she the causeing a. john: now more than 10,000 papers of oxytauzin. >> right,y and radio been involved in clinical trials, let's try to discover something new. >> now, some people in types square, did not want the full frontal hug of strangers, so she tried an experiment. >> here is the appropriate stranger side hug, if you want to feel better, you want your oxytauzin level to increase i have to go full frontal. >> no, you are a stranger. >> stranger danger. john: all kinds of people are happy to hug. >> you i refuseed handshakes for 5 years. john: high produceer got full frontal hugs from dozens of strangers, some people ran to her. >> she is running. >> she is running. we're doing this. >> so, i am in middle of my hug experiment. and i am probably about 40 hugs in. i have hugged min, and hugged women, and hugged children. the men i have hugged they hug he too tightly, my dad is watching not going to appreciate this. oh, he is coming in he is going in here for the kill. -- oh,. >> i file better. >> i feel fantastic. >> maybe dr. love on to something. john: data show this makes people happy, but scientificly, oxytauzin how? >> we en fuse it into the nose it gets into brain after an hour we show a causal relationship between the ocyen to ienie the . do you want to dry? sure. >> >> i am required to wear a white coat, okay, take a deep breath. this will me melt the barrier between and you anyone you see. >> here is another experiment you gave people the oxytauzin spray, and showed them this video, call it the cancer kid video. >> a research center used to raise money. >> who do you see? >> ben is dying, there are no words to describe how it feels to know that your time is limited. john: people who got the spray gave more money. >> the video itself causes about a 50% increase in oxotocin. >> well one weird experiment after the other, thank you dr. paul zach, we'll see how i feel at the end of the show, up next more experiment with other stossels. we never thought we'd be farming wind out here. it's not just building jobs here, it's helping our community. siemens location here has just received a major order of wind turbines. it puts a huge smile on my face. cause i'm like, 'this is what we do.' the fact that iowa is leading the way in wind energy, i'm so proud, like, it's just amazing. you know what i love america? fine barbecue, good times and zero heart burn. and that's why i take prilosec otc each morning for my frequent heart burn because it gives me zero heart burn. prilosec otc the number one dr. recomended frequent heart burn medicine for nine straight years. you can beat zero herat burn prilosec otc one pill each morning 24hrs, zero heart burn looks like we're about to board. mm-hmm. i'm just comparing car insurance rates at progressive.com. is that where they show the other guys' rates, too? mm-hmm. cool. yeah. hi. final boarding call for flight 294. [ bells ring on sign ] [ vehicle beeping ] who's ready for the garlic festival? this guy! bringing our competitors' rates to you -- now, that's progressive. john: do you get anxious often? i do, i worry i will stutter on tv, i worry that my tv ratings will go down, and fox will fire me, but whatever anxious experiment i have, is not compareed to my nephew scott. john and his nephew are joining us. john: scott and i appeared on fox and friends, he wrote this best setter, so, scott, sorry you are anxious but congratulation on having a bestseller, which i am ticked off about. because it -- i think out selling my last book. >> thank you but your ratings are higher than mine, i'm sure. john: you are that anxious, you can write this book, and most of us did not know. >> people with panic disorder, have hav fear about having 4 any exposed. you project to outward look the calm and conconfidence and calm but that contributed to the anxious you are trying to keep that house of cards in tact, everyone will see me for weak, pathetic 18 shoes person they am. >> yet, here you are. on this show, and that just, promote age of. >> i would rather be buried in a sar coff -- full of rats and snakes than diped into cheese. no cheese. >> you are g good with velveeta. >> not even velveeta. >> you drug yourself up to do a tv show like that. >> i do. john: i am your uncle, do you have to take something today. >> less than i would to contend with colbert. >> what do you take? >> i will do a take a xanax or, if a high stakes one. don't try this at home, i will combine that with small amounts of alcohol. john: have you run off the stage? >> why would you want to do this you torture yourself. >> it has been therapeutic doing this public speaking on a regular basis. john: you are trying different techniques, you have tried a million techniques, predescribed drugs, psycho therapy, more drugs, nothing worked or all worked or some things worked? >> some have worked a little, nothing has fundamentally cureed the underlying dis order or stamped out the anxious uness. certain things work for different times. john: for other people, some get help. >> it is hard to predict, one never knows, in general, for any given treatment, one-third of people will get better could one third will get better for a short period of time and relapse, and one third it will not help at all, but you cannot tell in advance, which one third will be affected by which treatment. john: go try stuff. >> yep. john: tha see what works. >> you can feel like a guinea pig. john: a picture of you, that came out with atlantic article that you did, you feel miser in, i was not a happy kid either. it is a stossel trait, but this was you being anxious. >> on vacation in bermuda, i was 10 years old, i was unhappy, we had to go to dinner, and it made me nervous. john: if my brother made he dress that way in per mudea i can see -- bermuda, i can see why. >> i have a recollection of a thanksgiving dinner, i was nervous about a stomach agee ache, you were kind and consoleing to me, as i paced back and forth,. john: a picture of and you me at my wedding your sister who isal al al al al anxious that makes people say it could run in the family. >> thank you scott stossel, coming up more stossel trying crazy experiments that is wrong with us or maybe it is not wrong. hink about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. we're changing the way we do business, with startup ny. we've created tax free zones throughout the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax. which means more growth for your business, and more jobs. it's not just business as usual. see how new york can help your business grow, at startup.ny.gov that'and with truecar.com,t lookithere's no buyer's remorse. a good deal or not. "okay, this the is the price," overand you're like. save time, save money, and never overpay. visit truecar.com john: this show is about the beauty of trying experiments in life, let us experiment? my immigrant parents did not teach me, that says these are the rules of america. join a company, that is the route to success. but i have learned there are many other ways, maybe they are better. this group of young entrepreneurs has concludeed that. rod runs several businesses, inkpwhraouding this one that sells tickets to early morning dance partie parties. john: alec left school to talk his way. >> this is my son max. so. you frighten me because you are living an experiment. >> i am. i have jumped head first into the start up world that appealed to me, because of much of what i beforeed from my loving father. people are responsible for their own money, their own what they are building is what you see good results, that has driven ni these passionate people and great ideas. john: you live with some people are you doing start ups work i paid big bucks to help send you to fancy college. where have you learned more in two years since you graduateed or 4 years of the college? >> i think been 4 since graduation, but in those 4 years, learned so much more from the work force than school. i question whether i would send my own kids to college. john: you quit a job to try these experiment. a company that scans yore body for moles and send its to doctors. >> yes, dermatologisting rec mean you draw mole maps of your body. >> and feedback? >> turns every customer interaction into an experiment, we have the smartphones every time a business interacts with a customary that data walks out the door, we capture that. >> and ocho. >> an earnings percent. -- exper. ech.openocho makes everyone a br videographer. >> i wish you luck. now, irk rad a had -- erada you had a bunch of successes, the early morning dan thing people get up at 6 a.m. and go to a 7 a.m. dance party. >> all of us are looking for exciting ways to continue night life mentalty, but, a wholesome away. so, we said what if we start this experiment and lauren a early morning party called daybreaker, they break the day a 7 a.m. and mix and ming wel like minded entrepreneurs or artists. john: people pay 20 a head. >> 25 a head. >> it is growing. >> it is growing. we get calling from new delhi, tel aviv, japan, tokyo. john: if you think erada looks familiar her twin sister was once on the show, they started a be called super sprout promoteing vegetables to kids. >> my favorite vegetable is broccoli. because it makes me super strong, what is your super power. john: no kids will eat a vegetable because he does that. >> you wouldn't tell me if you would not playing with carat over here, wo would not think at eating a vegetable, colby carrot is good for your eyes, kids learn through stories and super powers why vegetables are good for you, is a very big success. >> i don't believe this. in cafeteria lunc lunchrooms, we wrapped them with art work, gave lunch laids hand puppets to remind kids to eat their super powers. they measures before and after, there was a 2 50% increase in children eating vegetables because of our program. john: alex, he said you are one of the most experimen experimen, you left college to go work, and you talked your way on to the price of right. >> i have never seen a full episode before going on. i pull an all nighter, before a final exam, figure out how the show works realize there is a loophole in statistic, focus by merge on that, won the showcase showdown, won a sailboat, sold the boat, that is how i funded my book. >> your book, you interview famous people, and you have gotten in lady gaga. and bill gates? >> well, not easy. john: keep writing e-mails. >> no, so there are some ways you can experiment, i have done cold e-mail its works and i have done cold e-mailing does not work, i have chased people down the sidewalk. >> peter grouper. >> you were a stalker? >> you know what difference between a stalker and me? intendtion. >> one thing you guys do with a dozens of your other friends experiments is burning man in the desert, what is that points? >> have you all these people coming to one place, they build these remarkable art pieces, in the en it is burned down, it is all about the process not the outcome, that is different from the world we live in. >> thank you, max, erada, alex and super sprout. next. >> smartest stossel of the family, no, it is not me. many of my patients still clean their dentures with toothpaste. but they have to use special care in keeping the denture clean. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident is designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning in a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that's why i recommend using polident. [ male announcer ] polident. cleaner, fresher, brighter every day. let that phrase sit with you for a second. unlimited. as in, no limits on your hard-earned cash back. as in no more dealing with those rotating categories. the quicksilver card from capital one. as in no more dealing with those rotating categories. on everything you purchase, every day. don't settle for anything less. i'll keep asking. what's in your wallet? john: let us experiment. here is result of one. a scientist discovered how your cells crawl. here is video of a white blood cell, chasing after germs. the smaller black dots there. white blood cell kraeul crawls d chases until, finally it eats the bacteria. grabs it and eats it, hurray. this is why you are not dead, person who discovered how this works, happens to be my brother, dr. tom stossel, how many lives have you lengthened with this. >> not one. >> made mo difference. >> none. >> you kept experimenting. >> absolutely. >> in doing this you sometimes work with drug companies, pharmaceutical companies. >> and by technology companies that is only way yo it can be d. john: i'm told that is a horrible conflict of interest, a har is harharvard researcher yoo get information and drug companies want to make money. >> true, i want information, drug companyments to make money, and everyone benefits. john: you say there is a war against this. >> the conflict of interest mania. >> mania? >> it has no substance. it is just made up. it is taking what is normal competition, normal controversy. and turning it into a witch-hunt. john: are not there cases where researchers doctor their work, to sell drug, drug companies push drugs that are not good for us? >> turley there are not, all of cases are scientis scientific t, fraud, they had nothing to do with the industry, this is just people trying too -- like you researchers trying to advance their own career. or reason you can't fathom, success in science is when other people can produce your work. stuff you make up, people cannot reproduce. john: i am seeing these conflict of interests, a graph that shows how they increased. and titles of the stories are funny, bad farm amoney driven medicine, the big fix. sex, lives and pharmaceuticals. it is convincing . i want to make sure and you your partnership with say biogen is not selling me a drug that is bad. >> it is superficially plus able, people -- plu plausible, people cheat for money, it takes enormous resources to get those products to people, medicine is incredibly better today than what i starred out, it is too bad the medical products industry, have let themselves be blamed for bad things they did not do. they have let doctors, hospitals, medical journals, medical schools take credit for the good they have done, they are all important 92 i thought that is where innovation came from, from scooting and government funded research. >> i have had government funded resafrp mresearch my life. itit important but what gets product to patients comes from private sector, only they have resourceing and skill sets to get the job done. john: you worked with a company, biogen, a picture of the board with wearing their beanie hat. this turned your head? >> this folks wearing beanies they were world class scientists nobel prize winners, wok individua-- oneindividual in pat died last year, ken murray, and his work led to what is now the hepatitis va vaccine, and this s hugely important. >> the way he was paid, is now forbidden, he got stock options that is now illegal? >> that is correct. if he does research he did, to develop the hepatitis vaccine, he could not have had the stock, he would not have done it. john: thank you, tom, and next, just what is this show about? why are there so many stossels here? i will try to tie this together. next. john: here i am hosting a tv show, i have had a 40 year career in journalism, how did i get here, i was never a good public speaker, i'm shy, and a stutter, why am i here? because of experiments, i plan to be come a help manager, i was accepted by graduate school at university of chicago. but, before i went to grad school, i was sick of school, i took a year off, i went to a lot of job interviews, seattle magazine offered me a job doing bookkeeper, i accepted but they went out of, someone offered me a job working in a tv newsroom that too was an experiment. i never watched tv news. in rets respec having no formal training properly helped me. i was open to new ideas. i did well in a profession that was barely invented when i was in school, tonight, i was surprised my own son said. >> i question whether i would send my own kids to college when that time comes. >> world has changed but i think he is right, by the time that time comes, most of your colleges will be history, they will be cheaper, and betteral to thattives created by people who tried oak percent. s, i tried one, that happiness research erin jeced the hormone oxytocin into a nasal spray, and gave me about 1 10 hits of the stuff, extra amounts of hormone with make people feel happier dit work? -- feel happier, i feel nothing, really, no happier, no different, he did say it may take an hour. so, i will wait, and report what happens later to my web page. finally, let's remember america. is an experiment. explorers sa*eulged west, they don't know what they would fine, then limited government founders created in philadelphia was an experiment it happened it bring us a longest tpurpblgsing democracy in the modern world, but funners did not expects that. hire it is still going strong. so are we, so far. so let's keep experimenting, that is our show, see you next week. that define its all better than anyone, lou dobbs. lou: good evening, house speaker boehner and republican leaders suffering a stunning embarrass am on capitol hill. they were forced to abandon their own legislation addressing crisis on the border, speaker boehner and his new team confronted with a rebellion more which of member -- of conservate member complaint, the bill left up touched, president's 2012 action, for illegal immigrant minors, regarded as a primary motivate or for tens of
john: he jokes about his problem with steven colbert. we get help with experiments and treatments, which ones work. >> we just have to try things. john: let us experiment, that is our show tonight. john: this tv show is about ideas. but tonight i will bother with you my personal problem, my own life taught me a lesson about benefits of limited government. without so many rules, that does not prevent you from trying experiments. i can stand up right now, because, i have tried some experiments i can speak to you because i tried dozens of experiments. i'll conservative speaking first, i am a stut erica olsen, er. when i was a kid in school i i would stay silence in class, and avoid parties. i would hang up on the phone. now because of caller i.d., stutterers cannot do, that i got a job at a tv station, i never expected to go on tv when i did, i stuttered so badly i wanted to quit, i tried all kinds of therapies. all these experts said they could cure me, but they couldn't, until i got help from a clinic in roanoke, virginia that reteaches stutterers how to speak, that worked. i came out of treatment fluent. my speech is better than it used to be, i would play you my before and after tapes but they were lost in roanoke value, flood, we will look at someone else's before. >> the potential -- the -- p- portfoliop-pdifficultys. >> this one di guy invited my ia trip, it was supposed to be so romantic, he brings his mother. john: congratulations oil proving your speech, you are a model, and actress and having speaking parts now. >> yes, i have shot a lot of commercials and a film, i do a lot of work, which is awesome for hollywood. snow you also started a lot of experiments. >> i started speech class 8 years old, i tried all types of techniques, stretching every word together, i tried just talking into speaking out loud. talking to my dad. and then, went on. john: speaking of your dad, stutters runs in families, he stutters. >> my dad, my grand dad did. my cus ins do. -- cousins do, it has run in our family. john: about 5% of children go through some period of stuttering. most of them recover on their own. by late child hood. but about 1% do not. 4 times as many men as women, you are unusual that way. >> yes. i am one of few. john: and let's talk about this weird clinic we went to, it is really boring. >> it is. >> they slow us down, to two seconds per syllable to reteach us how to speak. this is about half a second per syllable. >> it takes a long time to have a conversation. but, they retaught us how to breathe and speak. that was one of the things that takes, awhile to understand, which we hear what a normal conversation is, from another person, and we. john: which is really very fast. >> we want to cop that's -- copy that, we're forcing words out rather than thinking how are we saying the word, and how our throat skpefrg works fo and eveg works for us. john: they put us in little rooms with a computer. >> now there is an app, i actually, before i go into every casting, i will hole my phone up, and -- hold my phone up and speak into the phone to make sure i talk clearly. john: to practice. >> to practice before every audition. john: we know how to speak correct khre, thaly. lear are othelee are stutters tt know were *eufrbg tige. tiger woods was afraid to answer questions in school. >> a simple question of most frightening thing, if you can't speak it. john: shaquille o'neal, teacher used to call on students in chat, i would sit there saying please don't call me. me. >> you know this guy. >> the most debilitating thing, people, hard to ask you to go to the prom, they look at you, they say this must be a he must be an idiot. john: well i have my own political opinion, but. he went on to say that in latin classes, his name nam nickname s joe impedementa . he said he helped himself by standing in the mirror, and quoting yates skpeupler son and. and samuel jackson? >> he talks about, we know how he swears a lot, he will say a swear word with the actual word hements to say, that helps him speak clearly. but marilyn monroe also did, i read into a lot of her work, she she would sit in the back of class, he said tha everything very sloy with a lot of breathiness. john: thank you fire dawson we learned from our experimenttation. the therapy that helped her, helped me, had no government sale of approval. it was relatively new, and untested, if it had to get government approval, she and i might never have been helped. it is still illegal for that clinic to offer to people in other states, america has so many rules that limit innovations, licenses rules in that case, remember the king's speech, it told a true story how king of england good help for his stuttering by going do an unlicenseed expert. >> my physician said, it relaxes -- the throat. >> they are idiots. >> they have all been knighted. >> it makes it official then. john: at first, the king criticizeed his new speech therapist. >> ni training, no diploma, a greet deal of no. >> lock me in the tower. john: the king goes ahead with the therapy, and unlicensed therapist helped him. here is one other unlicenseed therapy, that is stranger but as an experiment i tried it, when a difference it ahead in my life. -- it made in my life, for years his crippleing back pain. >> i spend years on my back, doing phone interviews, whatever i thought lying down meeting less of a strain on my back, there was a report on my back pain i did years ago, i took x-rays to this doctor. i had real stuff, disk problems s a crack. >> yes, they are normal. john: normal? that is what that doctor said, he claimed movie of what orthopedists and other so-called experts say about back pain is wrong, i was skeptical, but he said, how come everyone got back pain after ulcers got cureed? back is a strong muscle, this is psychological, you don't have a physical problem, you have a psychological problem, he said, i resiveed that claim, but -- i resisted that claim, and i saw howard stern said my life of the filled with back pain until i applied dr. sarno's principles in a phaelter of week phaelter r of weeks my pain disappeared, we went to a lecture, then some other people he helped would speak out about highway they got rid of their pain by ignoring it. attending one lecture, and reading his book, changed my life, i still get back spasms but, i ignore them they go away. people come to me, i saw that youtube video of you with back pain, it changedn my life, it hard to believe a lecture or a book could change so much but it did for me, theory is another one who was -- here is another man who was once paralyzeed with back 59. >back pain. >> tuesday. width, day 6, thursday. this is day 7, i was stum there for weeks unable to move on the floor of my office, i called dr. sarno 92 in. john: that is michael golinsky. you were skeptical too, but desperate? >> i was skeptical but i had a basis for belief, my fa her read the book in 80s and had gotten better after having an ulcer, i read the book, i saw my father on the pages and my brother and myself. john: the doctor said i do a lousy job. >> if you believe that it is a physical problem, that is a distraction for repressedic motions that might come up, if you stick on that idea you will not get better, if you embrace the idea it is not a vehicle you rally problem -- i structural problem you get rid of the fear,. john: emotion could be anger or agenagent. >> he said they are goodests, people who do good things for others, they would get up early to move their mother's car to make sure they don't get a ticket. john: my brother is a fancy harvard doctor they trust, he had similar back pain, he spend time hanging by his neck in the we're track device. i told him doctor sarno said, he was probably an angry man, and he said this. >> if anybody told me that was all in my head, my rage would not be rether repressed. >> what do you have to lose? why not go to sarno try it? >> there are a lot of ridiculous things that i could do that woeup work. john: it workedf me. >> i am not convinced. >> it does sound ridiculous but you read story after story it is not, sarno is now in his 90s he is no longer practicing. >> there are about 50 people who treat with this methodology, there is no licenseing structure, which is a good thing, ideas come and go by themselves. john: thank you michael golinsky. what do you think, would you try an experiment at treatment, give us your opinion on twitter. so, my back pain is mostly cureed. so it my stuttering, but, i am still not happy. i worry a lot. i wish i were happier, some people say, you just need a hug. here is a woman offering hugs in times square. >> you want a hug? i want a hug. john: actually want a hug a stranger? does this create happiness? another small experiment when we return. wondering what that is? that, my friends, is everything. and with the quicksilver card from capital one, you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase. not just "everything at the hardware store." not "everything, until you hit your cash back limit." quicksilver can earn you unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you could possibly imagine. say it with me -- everything. one more time, everything! and with that in mind... what's in your wallet? >> who wants a hug? john: what is this woman yelling about. >> anyone feeling bad, i have hugs for you. john: she is offering people hug therapy, people take her up on it. elmo. the woman is ricky ratliff, one of my producers, i asked her to do this there is a theory that hugging makes you and them more trusting more willing to cooperate with people, and happier. >> i feel great. >> i feel better too, it's weird. john: i asked my produceer to do that because, i didn't want to do it our show title is let us experiment, hugging strangers in times square is not my kind of experiment. but, paul zach is easier to do it, he has done versions of if there are last 14 years, why? >> we wonder idea prosperity lives in some countries not other, we studied role of trust, we wanted a biological basis for why we trust strangers. john: because of a chemical in our body? >> it functions to cause us to resip kate, almost always. you are nice to me, i am nice to you. john: my hugging people, people release more of that hormone. >> oxyto since. john: makes people happier. >> and healthier, and promoteing cooperation, without anybody telling us we have to. john: you try to do a scientific experiment with this in america, america said no. >> we did our first study in europe, and now have gotten fda approval a backdoor method for oxitosin instution studies in u.s., for a given environment why would you trust me? >> i would not, you some are weirdo with a drug. >> and a crazy white coat, we did it recall of time, but if we don't the economy crashs, unless we have someone telling us what to do we have to create opportunity to create wealth, and country with high trust we see higher prosperity, greater happiness, and greater well being issue unless we use the drug in u.s. we could not she the causeing a. john: now more than 10,000 papers of oxytauzin. >> right,y and radio been involved in clinical trials, let's try to discover something new. >> now, some people in types square, did not want the full frontal hug of strangers, so she tried an experiment. >> here is the appropriate stranger side hug, if you want to feel better, you want your oxytauzin level to increase i have to go full frontal. >> no, you are a stranger. >> stranger danger. john: all kinds of people are happy to hug. >> you i refuseed handshakes for 5 years. john: high produceer got full frontal hugs from dozens of strangers, some people ran to her. >> she is running. >> she is running. we're doing this. >> so, i am in middle of my hug experiment. and i am probably about 40 hugs in. i have hugged min, and hugged women, and hugged children. the men i have hugged they hug he too tightly, my dad is watching not going to appreciate this. oh, he is coming in he is going in here for the kill. -- oh,. >> i file better. >> i feel fantastic. >> maybe dr. love on to something. john: data show this makes people happy, but scientificly, oxytauzin how? >> we en fuse it into the nose it gets into brain after an hour we show a causal relationship between the ocyen to ienie the . do you want to dry? sure. >> >> i am required to wear a white coat, okay, take a deep breath. this will me melt the barrier between and you anyone you see. >> here is another experiment you gave people the oxytauzin spray, and showed them this video, call it the cancer kid video. >> a research center used to raise money. >> who do you see? >> ben is dying, there are no words to describe how it feels to know that your time is limited. john: people who got the spray gave more money. >> the video itself causes about a 50% increase in oxotocin. >> well one weird experiment after the other, thank you dr. paul zach, we'll see how i feel at the end of the show, up next more experiment with other stossels. john: do you get anxious often? i do, i worry i will stutter on tv, i worry that my tv ratings will go down, and fox will fire me, but whatever anxious experiment i have, is not compareed to my nephew scott. john and his nephew are joining us. john: scott and i appeared on fox and friends, he wrote this best setter, so, scott, sorry you are anxious but congratulation on having a bestseller, which i am ticked off about. because it -- i think out selling my last book. >> thank you but your ratings are higher than mine, i'm sure. john: you are that anxious, you can write this book, and most of us did not know. >> people with panic disorder, have hav fear about having 4 any exposed. you project to outward look the calm and conconfidence and calm but that contributed to the anxious you are trying to keep that house of cards in tact, everyone will see me for weak, pathetic 18 shoes person they am. >> yet, here you are. on this show, and that just, promote age of. >> i would rather be buried in a sar coff -- full of rats and snakes than diped into cheese. no cheese. >> you are g good with velveeta. >> not even velveeta. >> you drug yourself up to do a tv show like that. >> i do. john: i am your uncle, do you have to take something today. >> less than i would to contend with colbert. >> what do you take? >> i will do a take a xanax or, if a high stakes one. don't try this at home, i will combine that with small amounts of alcohol. john: have you run off the stage? >> why would you want to do this you torture yourself. >> it has been therapeutic doing this public speaking on a regular basis. john: you are trying different techniques, you have tried a million techniques, predescribed drugs, psycho therapy, more drugs, nothing worked or all worked or some things worked? >> some have worked a little, nothing has fundamentally cureed the underlying dis order or stamped out the anxious uness. certain things work for different times. john: for other people, some get help. >> it is hard to predict, one never knows, in general, for any given treatment, one-third of people will get better could one third will get better for a short period of time and relapse, and one third it will not help at all, but you cannot tell in advance, which one third will be affected by which treatment. john: go try stuff. >> yep. john: tha see what works. >> you can feel like a guinea pig. john: a picture of you, that came out with atlantic article that you did, you feel miser in, i was not a happy kid either. it is a stossel trait, but this was you being anxious. >> on vacation in bermuda, i was 10 years old, i was unhappy, we had to go to dinner, and it made me nervous. john: if my brother made he dress that way in per mudea i can see -- bermuda, i can see why. >> i have a recollection of a thanksgiving dinner, i was nervous about a stomach agee ache, you were kind and consoleing to me, as i paced back and forth,. john: a picture of and you me at my wedding your sister who isal al al al al anxious that makes people say it could run in the family. >> thank you scott stossel, coming up more stossel trying crazy experiments that is wrong with us or maybe it is not wrong. john: this show is about the beauty of trying experiments in life, let us experiment? my immigrant parents did not teach me, that says these are the rules of america. join a company, that is the route to success. but i have learned there are many other ways, maybe they are better. this group of young entrepreneurs has concludeed that. rod runs several businesses, inkpwhraouding this one that sells tickets to early morning dance partie parties. john: alec left school to talk his way. >> this is my son max. so. you frighten me because you are living an experiment. >> i am. i have jumped head first into the start up world that appealed to me, because of much of what i beforeed from my loving father. people are responsible for their own money, their own what they are building is what you see good results, that has driven ni these passionate people and great ideas. john: you live with some people are you doing start ups work i paid big bucks to help send you to fancy college. where have you learned more in two years since you graduateed or 4 years of the college? >> i think been 4 since graduation, but in those 4 years, learned so much more from the work force than school. i question whether i would send my own kids to college. john: you quit a job to try these experiment. a company that scans yore body for moles and send its to doctors. >> yes, dermatologisting rec mean you draw mole maps of your body. >> and feedback? >> turns every customer interaction into an experiment, we have the smartphones every time a business interacts with a customary that data walks out the door, we capture that. >> and ocho. >> an earnings percent. -- exper. ech.openocho makes everyone a br videographer. >> i wish you luck. now, irk rad a had -- erada you had a bunch of successes, the early morning dan thing people get up at 6 a.m. and go to a 7 a.m. dance party. >> all of us are looking for exciting ways to continue night life mentalty, but, a wholesome away. so, we said what if we start this experiment and lauren a early morning party called daybreaker, they break the day a 7 a.m. and mix and ming wel like minded entrepreneurs or artists. john: people pay 20 a head. >> 25 a head. >> it is growing. >> it is growing. we get calling from new delhi, tel aviv, japan, tokyo. john: if you think erada looks familiar her twin sister was once on the show, they started a be called super sprout promoteing vegetables to kids. >> my favorite vegetable is broccoli. because it makes me super strong, what is your super power. john: no kids will eat a vegetable because he does that. >> you wouldn't tell me if you would not playing with carat over here, wo would not think at eating a vegetable, colby carrot is good for your eyes, kids learn through stories and super powers why vegetables are good for you, is a very big success. >> i don't believe this. in cafeteria lunc lunchrooms, we wrapped them with art work, gave lunch laids hand puppets to remind kids to eat their super powers. they measures before and after, there was a 2 50% increase in children eating vegetables because of our program. john: alex, he said you are one of the most experimen experimen, you left college to go work, and you talked your way on to the price of right. >> i have never seen a full episode before going on. i pull an all nighter, before a final exam, figure out how the show works realize there is a loophole in statistic, focus by merge on that, won the showcase showdown, won a sailboat, sold the boat, that is how i funded my book. >> your book, you interview famous people, and you have gotten in lady gaga. and bill gates? >> well, not easy. john: keep writing e-mails. >> no, so there are some ways you can experiment, i have done cold e-mail its works and i have done cold e-mailing does not work, i have chased people down the sidewalk. >> peter grouper. >> you were a stalker? >> you know what difference between a stalker and me? intendtion. >> one thing you guys do with a dozens of your other friends experiments is burning man in the desert, what is that points? >> have you all these people coming to one place, they build these remarkable art pieces, in the en it is burned down, it is all about the process not the outcome, that is different from the world we live in. >> thank you, max, erada, alex and super sprout. next. >> smartest stossel of the family, no, it is not me. ñ@ç@ç john: let us experiment. here is result of one. a scientist discovered how your cells crawl. here is video of a white blood cell, chasing after germs. the smaller black dots there. white blood cell kraeul crawls d chases until, finally it eats the bacteria. grabs it and eats it, hurray. this is why you are not dead, person who discovered how this works, happens to be my brother, dr. tom stossel, how many lives have you lengthened with this. >> not one. >> made mo difference. >> none. >> you kept experimenting. >> absolutely. >> in doing this you sometimes work with drug companies, pharmaceutical companies. >> and by technology companies that is only way yo it can be d. john: i'm told that is a horrible conflict of interest, a har is harharvard researcher yoo get information and drug companies want to make money. >> true, i want information, drug companyments to make money, and everyone benefits. john: you say there is a war against this. >> the conflict of interest mania. >> mania? >> it has no substance. it is just made up. it is taking what is normal competition, normal controversy. and turning it into a witch-hunt. john: are not there cases where researchers doctor their work, to sell drug, drug companies push drugs that are not good for us? >> turley there are not, all of cases are scientis scientific t, fraud, they had nothing to do with the industry, this is just people trying too -- like you researchers trying to advance their own career. or reason you can't fathom, success in science is when other people can produce your work. stuff you make up, people cannot reproduce. john: i am seeing these conflict of interests, a graph that shows how they increased. and titles of the stories are funny, bad farm amoney driven medicine, the big fix. sex, lives and pharmaceuticals. it is convincing . i want to make sure and you your partnership with say biogen is not selling me a drug that is bad. >> it is superficially plus able, people -- plu plausible, people cheat for money, it takes enormous resources to get those products to people, medicine is incredibly better today than what i starred out, it is too bad the medical products industry, have let themselves be blamed for bad things they did not do. they have let doctors, hospitals, medical journals, medical schools take credit for the good they have done, they are all important 92 i thought that is where innovation came from, from scooting and government funded research. >> i have had government funded resafrp mresearch my life. itit important but what gets product to patients comes from private sector, only they have resourceing and skill sets to get the job done. john: you worked with a company, biogen, a picture of the board with wearing their beanie hat. this turned your head? >> this folks wearing beanies they were world class scientists nobel prize winners, wok individua-- oneindividual in pat died last year, ken murray, and his work led to what is now the hepatitis va vaccine, and this s hugely important. >> the way he was paid, is now forbidden, he got stock options that is now illegal? >> that is correct. if he does research he did, to develop the hepatitis vaccine, he could not have had the stock, he would not have done it. john: thank you, tom, and next, just what is this show about? why are there so many stossels here? i will try to tie this together. next. unlimited cash back. let that phrase sit with you for a second. unlimited. as in, no limits on your hard-earned cash back. as in no more dealing with those rotating categories. the quicksilver card from capital one. unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase, every day. don't settle for anything less. i'll keep asking. what's in your wallet? i'll keep asking. when folks think about wthey think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. show, i have had a 40 year career in journalism, how did i get here, i was never a good public speaker, i'm shy, and a stutter, why am i here? because of experiments, i plan to be come a help manager, i was accepted by graduate school at university of chicago. but, before i went to grad school, i was sick of school, i took a year off, i went to a lot of job interviews, seattle magazine offered me a job doing bookkeeper, i accepted but they went out of, someone offered me a job working in a tv newsroom that too was an experiment. i never watched tv news. in rets respec having no formal training properly helped me. i was open to new ideas. i did well in a profession that was barely invented when i was in school, tonight, i was surprised my own son said. >> i question whether i would send my own kids to college when that time comes. >> world has changed but i think he is right, by the time that time comes, most of your colleges will be history, they will be cheaper, and betteral to thattives created by people who tried oak percent. s, i tried one, that happiness research erin jeced the hormone oxytocin into a nasal spray, and gave me about 1 10 hits of the stuff, extra amounts of hormone with make people feel happier dit work? 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with steven colbert. we get help with experiments and treatments, which ones work. >> we just have to try things. john: let us experiment, that is our show tonight. john: this tv show is about ideas. but tonight i will bother with you my personal problem, my own life taught me a lesson about benefits of limited government. without so many rules, that does not prevent you from trying experiments. i can stand up right now, because, i have tried some experiments i can speak to you because i tried dozens of experiments. i'll conservative speaking first, i am a stut erica olsen, er. when i was a kid in school i i would stay silence in class, and avoid parties. i would hang up on the phone. now because of caller i.d., stutterers cannot do, that i got a job at a tv station, i never expected to go on tv when i did, i stuttered so badly i wanted to quit, i tried all kinds of therapies. all these experts said they could cure me, but they couldn't, until i got help from a clinic in roanoke, virginia that reteaches stutterers how to speak, that worked. i came out of treatment fluent. my speech is better than it used to be, i would play you my before and after tapes but they were lost in roanoke value, flood, we will look at someone else's before. >> the potential -- the -- p- portfoliop-pdifficultys. >> this one di guy invited my ia trip, it was supposed to be so romantic, he brings his mother. john: congratulations oil proving your speech, you are a model, and actress and having speaking parts now. >> yes, i have shot a lot of commercials and a film, i do a lot of work, which is awesome for hollywood. snow you also started a lot of experiments. >> i started speech class 8 years old, i tried all types of techniques, stretching every word together, i tried just talking into speaking out loud. talking to my dad. and then, went on. john: speaking of your dad, stutters runs in families, he stutters. >> my dad, my grand dad did. my cus ins do. -- cousins do, it has run in our family. john: about 5% of children go through some period of stuttering. most of them recover on their own. by late child hood. but about 1% do not. 4 times as many men as women, you are unusual that way. >> yes. i am one of few. john: and let's talk about this weird clinic we went to, it is really boring. >> it is. >> they slow us down, to two seconds per syllable to reteach us how to speak. this is about half a second per syllable. >> it takes a long time to have a conversation. but, they retaught us how to breathe and speak. that was one of the things that takes, awhile to understand, which we hear what a normal conversation is, from another person, and we. john: which is really very fast. >> we want to cop that's -- copy that, we're forcing words out rather than thinking how are we saying the word, and how our throat skpefrg works fo and eveg works for us. john: they put us in little rooms with a computer. >> now there is an app, i actually, before i go into every casting, i will hole my phone up, and -- hold my phone up and speak into the phone to make sure i talk clearly. john: to practice. >> to practice before every audition. john: we know how to speak correct khre, thaly. lear are othelee are stutters tt know were *eufrbg tige. tiger woods was afraid to answer questions in school. >> a simple of most frightening thing, if you can't speak it. john: shaquille o'neal, teacher used to call on students in chat, i would sit there saying please don't call me. me. >> you know this guy. >> the most debilitating thing, people, hard to ask you to go to the prom, they look at you, they say this must be a he must be an idiot. john: well i have my own political opinion, but. he went on to say that in latin classes, his name nam nickname s joe impedementa . he said he helped himself by standing in the mirror, and quoting yates skpeupler son and. and samuel jackson? >> he talks about, we know how he swears a lot, he will say a swear word with the actual word hements to say, that helps him speak clearly. but marilyn monroe also did, i read into a lot of her work, she she would sit in the back of class, he said tha everything very sloy with a lot of breathiness. john: thank you fire dawson we learned from our experimenttation. the therapy that helped her, helped me, had no government sale of approval. it was relatively new, and untested, if it had to get government approval, she and i might never have been helped. it is still illegal for that clinic to offer to people in other states, america has so many rules that limit innovations, licenses rules in that case, remember the king's speech, it told a true story how king of england good help for his stuttering by going do an unlicenseed expert. >> my physician said, it relaxes -- the throat. >> they are idiots. >> they have all been knighted. >> it makes it official then. john: at first, the king criticizeed his new speech therapist. >> ni training, no diploma, a greet deal of no. >> lock me in the tower. john: the king goes ahead with the therapy, and unlicensed therapist helped him. here is one other unlicenseed therapy, that is stranger but as an experiment i tried it, when a difference it ahead in my life. -- it made in my life, for years his crippleing back pain. >> i spend years on my back, doing phone interviews, whatever i thought lying down meeting less of a strain on my back, there was a report on my back pain i did years ago, i took x-rays to this doctor. i had real stuff, disk problems s a crack. >> yes, they are normal. john: normal? that is what that doctor said, he claimed movie of what orthopedists and other so-called experts say about back pain is wrong, i was skeptical, but he said, how come everyone got back pain after ulcers got cureed? back is a strong muscle, this is psychological, you don't have a physical problem, you have a psychological problem, he said, i resiveed that claim, but -- i resisted that claim, and i saw howard stern said my life of the filled with back pain until i applied dr. sarno's principles in a phaelter of week phaelter r of weeks my pain disappeared, we went to a lecture, then some other people he helped would speak out about highway they got rid of their pain by ignoring it. attending one lecture, and reading his book, changed my life, i still get back spasms but, i ignore them they go away. people come to me, i saw that youtube video of you with back pain, it changedn my life, it hard to believe a lecture or a book could change so much but it did for me, theory is another one who was -- here is another man who was once paralyzeed with back 59. >back pain. >> tuesday. width, day 6, thursday. this is day 7, i was stum there for weeks unable to move on the floor of my office, i called dr. sarno 92 in. john: that is michael golinsky. you were skeptical too, but desperate? >> i was skeptical but i had a basis for belief, my fa her read the book in 80s and had gotten better after having an ulcer, i read the book, i saw my father on the pages and my brother and myself. john: the doctor said i do a lousy job. >> if you believe that it is a physical problem, that is a distraction for repressedic motions that might come up, if you stick on that idea you will not get better, if you embrace the idea it is not a vehicle you rally problem -- it is not a structural problem you get rid of the fear,. john: emotion could be anger or agenagent. >> he said they are goodests, people who do good things for others, they would get up early to move their mother's car to make sure they don't get a ticket. john: my brother is a fancy harvard doctor they trust, he had similar back pain, he spend time hanging by his neck in the we're track device. i told him doctor sarno said, he was probably an angry man, and he said this. >> if anybody told me that was all in my head, my rage would not be rether repressed. >> what do you have to lose? why not go to sarno try it? >> there are a lot of ridiculous things that i could do that woeup work. john: it workedf me. >> i am not convinced. >> it does sound ridiculous but you read story after story it is not, sarno is now in his 90s he is no longer practicing. >> there are about 50 people who treat with this methodology, there is no licenseing structure, which is a good thing, ideas come and go by themselves. john: thank you michael golinsky. what do you think, would you try an experiment at treatment, give us your opinion on twitter. so, my back pain is mostly cureed. so it my stuttering, but, i am still not happy. i worry a lot. i wish i were happier, some people say, you just need a hug. here is a woman offering hugs in times square. >> you want a hug? i want a hug. john: actually want a hug a stranger? does this create happiness? another small experiment when we return. ♪ music hi! need help finding a dependable used car? yeah, i'm worried about things like flood damage. oh, our team doesn't keep quiet about those cars. frank to carfax®. found an suv here! here's a sports sedan! i'll get the vin number! there's a convertible! avoid that one! large mouth bass. they get the word out. only one site has a free carfax report for every car listed. that's it! start shopping at the new carfax.com >> who wants a hug? john: what is this woman yelling about. >> anyone feeling bad, i have hugs for you. john: she is offering people hug therapy, people take her up on it. elmo. the woman is ricky ratliff, one of my producers, i asked her to do this there is a theory that hugging makes you and them more trusting more willing to cooperate with people, and happier. >> i feel great. >> i feel better too, it's weird. john: i asked my produceer to do that because, i didn't want to do it our show title is let us experiment, hugging strangers in times square is not my kind of experiment. but, paul zach is easier to do it, he has done versions of if there are last 14 years, why? >> we wonder idea prosperity lives in some countries not other, we studied role of trust, we wanted a biological basis for why we trust strangers. john: because of a chemical in our body? >> it functions to cause us to resip kate, almost always. you are nice to me, i am nice to you. john: my hugging people, people release more of that hormone. >> oxyto since. john: makes people happier. >> and healthier, and promoteing cooperation, without anybody telling us we have to. john: you try to do a scientific experiment with this in america, america said no. >> we did our first study in europe, and now have gotten fda approval a backdoor method for oxitosin instution studies in u.s., for a given environment why would you trust me? >> i would not, you some are weirdo with a drug. >> and a crazy white coat, we did it recall of time, but if we don't the economy crashs, unless we have someone telling us what to do we have to create opportunity to create wealth, and country with high trust we see higher prosperity, greater happiness, and greater well being issue unless we use the drug in u.s. we could not she the causeing a. john: now more than 10,000 papers of oxytauzin. >> right,y and radio been involved in clinical trials, let's try to discover something new. >> now, some people in types square, did not want the full frontal hug of strangers, so she tried an experiment. >> here is the appropriate stranger side hug, if you want to feel better, you want your oxytauzin level to increase i have to go full frontal. >> no, you are a stranger. >> stranger danger. john: all kinds of people are happy to hug. >> you i refuseed handshakes for 5 years. john: high produceer got full frontal hugs from dozens of strangers, some people ran to her. >> she is running. >> she is running. we're doing this. >> so, i am in middle of my hug experiment. and i am probably about 40 hugs in. i have hugged min, and hugged women, and hugged children. the men i have hugged they hug he too tightly, my dad is watching not going to appreciate this. oh, he is coming in he is going in here for the kill. -- oh,. >> i file better. >> i feel fantastic. >> maybe dr. love on to something. john: data show this makes people happy, but scientificly, oxytauzin how? >> we en fuse it into the nose it gets into brain after an hour we show a causal relationship between the ocyen to ienie the . do you want to dry? sure. >> >> i am required to wear a white coat, okay, take a deep breath. this will me melt the barrier between and you anyone you see. >> here is another experiment you gave people the oxytauzin spray, and showed them this video, call it the cancer kid video. >> a research center used to raise money. >> who do you see? >> ben is dying, there are no words to describe how it feels to know that your time is limited. john: people who got the spray gave more money. >> the video itself causes about a 50% increase in oxotocin. >> well one weird experiment after the other, thank you dr. paul zach, we'll see how i feel at the end of the show, up next more experiment with other stossels. wondering what that is? that, my friends, is everything. the quicksilver card wonfrom capital one,is? you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase. not just "everything at the hardware store." not "everything, until you hit your cash back limit." quicksilver can earn you unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you could possibly imagine. say it with me -- everything. one more time, everything! and with that in mind... what's in your wallet? john: do you get anxious often? i do, i worry i will stutter on tv, i worry that my tv ratings will go down, and fox will fire me, but whatever anxious experiment i have, is not compareed to my nephew scott. john and his nephew are joining us. john: scott and i appeared on fox and friends, he wrote this best setter, so, scott, sorry you are anxious but congratulation on having a bestseller, which i am ticked off about. because it -- i think out selling my last book. >> thank you but your ratings are higher than mine, i'm sure. john: you are that anxious, you can write this book, and most of us did not know. >> people with panic disorder, have hav fear about having 4 any exposed. you project to outward look the calm and conconfidence and calm but that contributed to the anxious you are trying to keep that house of cards in tact, everyone will see me for weak, pathetic 18 shoes person they am. >> yet, here you are. on this show, and that just, promote age of. >> i would rather be buried in a sar coff -- full of rats and snakes than diped into cheese. no cheese. >> you are g good with velveeta. >> not even velveeta. >> you drug yourself up to do a tv show like that. >> i do. john: i am your uncle, do you have to take something today. >> less than i would to contend with colbert. >> what do you take? >> i will do a take a xanax or, if a high stakes one. don't try this at home, i will combine that with small amounts of alcohol. john: have you run off the stage? >> why would you want to do this you torture yourself. >> it has been therapeutic doing this public speaking on a regular basis. john: you are trying different techniques, you have tried a million techniques, predescribed drugs, psycho therapy, more drugs, nothing worked or all worked or some things worked? >> some have worked a little, nothing has fundamentally cureed the underlying dis order or stamped out the anxious uness. certain things work for different times. john: for other people, some get help. >> it is hard to predict, one never knows, in general, for any given treatment, one-third of people will get better could one third will get better for a short period of time and relapse, and one third it will not help at all, but you cannot tell in advance, which one third will be affected by which treatment. john: go try stuff. >> yep. john: tha see what works. >> you can feel like a guinea pig. john: a picture of you, that came out with atlantic article that you did, you feel miser in, i was not a happy kid either. it is a stossel trait, but this was you being anxious. >> on vacation in bermuda, i was 10 years old, i was unhappy, we had to go to dinner, and it made me nervous. john: if my brother made he dress that way in per mudea i can see -- bermuda, i can see why. >> i have a recollection of a thanksgiving dinner, i was nervous about a stomach agee ache, you were kind and consoleing to me, as i paced back and forth,. john: a picture of and you me at my wedding your sister who isal al al al al anxious that makes people say it could run in the family. >> thank you scott stossel, coming up more stossel trying crazy experiments that is wrong with us or maybe it is not wrong. john: this show is about the beauty of trying experiments in life, let us experiment? my immigrant parents did not teach me, that says these are the rules of america. join a company, that is the route to success. but i have learned there are many other ways, maybe they are better. this group of young entrepreneurs has concludeed that. rod runs several businesses, inkpwhraouding this one that sells tickets to early morning dance partie parties. john: alec left school to talk his way. >> this is my son max. so. you frighten me because you are living an experiment. >> i am. i have jumped head first into the start up world that appealed to me, because of much of what i beforeed from my loving father. people are responsible for their own money, their own what they are building is what you see good results, that has driven ni these passionate people and great ideas. john: you live with some people are you doing start ups work i paid big bucks to help send you to fancy college. where have you learned more in two years since you graduateed or 4 years of the college? >> i think been 4 since graduation, but in those 4 years, learned so much more from the work force than school. i question whether i would send my own kids to college. john: you quit a job to try these experiment. a company that scans yore body for moles and send its to doctors. >> yes, dermatologisting rec mean you draw mole maps of your body. >> and feedback? >> turns every customer interaction into an experiment, we have the smartphones every time a business interacts with a customary that data walks out the door, we capture that. >> and ocho. >> an earnings percent. -- exper. ech.openocho makes everyone a br videographer. >> i wish you luck. now, irk rad a had -- erada you had a bunch of successes, the early morning dan thing people get up at 6 a.m. and go to a 7 a.m. dance party. >> all of us are looking for exciting ways to continue night life mentalty, but, a wholesome away. so, we said what if we start this experiment and lauren a early morning party called daybreaker, they break the day a 7 a.m. and mix and ming wel like minded entrepreneurs or artists. john: people pay 20 a head. >> 25 a head. >> it is growing. >> it is growing. we get calling from new delhi, tel aviv, japan, tokyo. john: if you think erada looks familiar her twin sister was once on the show, they started a be called super sprout promoteing vegetables to kids. >> my favorite vegetable is broccoli. because it makes me super strong, what is your super power. john: no kids will eat a vegetable because he does that. >> you wouldn't tell me if you would not playing with carat over here, wo would not think at eating a vegetable, colby carrot is good for your eyes, kids learn through stories and super powers why vegetables are good for you, is a very big success. >> i don't believe this. in cafeteria lunc lunchrooms, we wrapped them with art work, gave lunch laids hand puppets to remind kids to eat their super powers. they measures before and after, there was a 2 50% increase in children eating vegetables because of our program. john: alex, he said you are one of the most experimen experimen, you left college to go work, and you talked your way on to the price of right. >> i have never seen a full episode before going on. i pull an all nighter, before a final exam, figure out how the show works realize there is a loophole in statistic, focus by merge on that, won the showcase showdown, won a sailboat, sold the boat, that is how i funded my book. >> your book, you interview famous people, and you have gotten in lady gaga. and bill gates? >> well, not easy. john: keep writing e-mails. >> no, so there are some ways you can experiment, i have done cold e-mail its works and i have done cold e-mailing does not work, i have chased people down the sidewalk. >> peter grouper. >> you were a stalker? >> you know what difference between a stalker and me? intendtion. >> one thing you guys do with a dozens of your other friends experiments is burning man in the desert, what is that points? >> have you all these people coming to one place, they build these remarkable art pieces, in the en it is burned down, it is all about the process not the outcome, that is different from the world we live in. >> thank you, max, erada, alex and super sprout. next. >> smartest stossel of the family, no, it is not me. john: let us experiment. here is result of one. a scientist discovered how your cells crawl. here is video of a white blood cell, chasing after germs. the smaller black dots there. white blood cell kraeul crawls d chases until, finally it eats the bacteria. grabs it and eats it, hurray. this is why you are not dead, person who discovered how this works, happens to be my brother, dr. tom stossel, how many lives have you lengthened with this. >> not one. >> made mo difference. >> none. >> you kept experimenting. >> absolutely. >> in doing this you sometimes work with drug companies, pharmaceutical companies. >> and by technology companies that is only way yo it can be d. john: i'm told that is a horrible conflict of interest, a har is harharvard researcher yoo get information and drug companies want to make money. >> true, i want information, drug companyments to make money, and everyone benefits. john: you say there is a war against this. >> the conflict of interest mania. >> mania? >> it has no substance. it is just made up. it is taking what is normal competition, normal controversy. and turning it into a witch-hunt. john: are not there cases where researchers doctor their work, to sell drug, drug companies push drugs that are not good for us? >> turley there are not, all of cases are scientis scientific t, fraud, they had nothing to do with the industry, this is just people trying too -- like you researchers trying to advance their own career. or reason you can't fathom, success in science is when other people can produce your work. stuff you make up, people cannot reproduce. john: i am seeing these conflict of interests, a graph that shows how they increased. and titles of the stories are funny, bad farm amoney driven medicine, the big fix. sex, lives and pharmaceuticals. it is convincing . i want to make sure and you your partnership with say biogen is not selling me a drug that is bad. >> it is superficially plus able, people -- plu plausible, people cheat for money, it takes enormous resources to get those products to people, medicine is incredibly better today than what i starred out, it is too bad the medical products industry, have let themselves be blamed for bad things they did not do. they have let doctors, hospitals, medical journals, medical schools take credit for the good they have done, they are all important 92 i thought that is where innovation came from, from scooting and government funded research. >> i have had government funded resafrp mresearch my life. itit important but what gets product to patients comes from private sector, only they have resourceing and skill sets to get the job done. john: you worked with a company, biogen, a picture of the board with wearing their beanie hat. this turned your head? >> this folks wearing beanies they were world class scientists nobel prize winners, wok individua-- oneindividual in pat died last year, ken murray, and his work led to what is now the hepatitis va vaccine, and this s hugely important. >> the way he was paid, is now forbidden, he got stock options that is now illegal? >> that is correct. if he does research he did, to develop the hepatitis vaccine, he could not have had the stock, he would not have done it. john: thank you, tom, and next, just what is this show about? why are there so many stossels here? i will try to tie this together. next. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. show, i have had a 40 year career in journalism, how did i get here, i was never a good public speaker, i'm shy, and a stutter, why am i here? because of experiments, i plan to be come a help manager, i was accepted by graduate school at university of chicago. but, before i went to grad school, i was sick of school, i took a year off, i went to a lot of job interviews, seattle magazine offered me a job doing bookkeeper, i accepted but they went out of, someone offered me a job working in a tv newsroom that too was an experiment. i never watched tv news. in rets respec having no formal training properly helped me. i was open to new ideas. i did well in a profession that was barely invented when i was in school, tonight, i was surprised my own son said. >> i question whether i would send my own kids to college when that time comes. >> world has changed but i think he is right, by the time that time comes, most of your colleges will be history, they will be cheaper, and betteral to thattives created by people who tried oak percent. s, i tried one, that happiness research erin jeced the hormone oxytocin into a nasal spray, and gave me about 1 10 hits of the stuff, extra amounts of hormone with make people feel happier dit work? -- feel happier, i feel nothing, really, no happier, no different, he did say it may take an hour. so, i will wait, and report what happens later to my web page. finally, let's remember america. is an experiment. explorers sa*eulged west, they don't know what they would fine, then limited government founders created in philadelphia was an experiment it happened it bring us a longest tpurpblgsing democracy in the modern world, but funners did not expects that. hire it is still going strong. so are we, so far. so let's keep experimenting, that is our show, see you next week. weekend, everyone. kennedy: government secrets, there's a trunk full of bodies and stories and programs the government has tried to keep for years from deal it's not hard to let your mind wander. and the government does a horrible job and history will show that they have something to hide. so why have they not learned their lesson by now? we are living in the golden age of secrets. judge napolitano weighs in on modern mean we will go back a few 3 judge napolitano weighs in on modern mean we will go back a few decades as well. can you keep a great? 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with steven colbert. we get help with experiments and treatments, which ones work. >> we just have to try things. john: let us experiment, that is our show tonight. john: this tv show is about ideas. but tonight i will bother with you my personal problem, my own life taught me a lesson about benefits of limited government. without so many rules, that does not prevent you from trying experiments. i can stand up right now, because, i have tried some experiments i can speak to you because i tried dozens of experiments. i'll conservative speaking first, i am a stut erica olsen, er. when i was a kid in school i i would stay silence in class, and avoid parties. i would hang up on the phone. now because of caller i.d., stutterers cannot do, that i got a job at a tv station, i never expected to go on tv when i did, i stuttered so badly i wanted to quit, i tried all kinds of therapies. all these experts said they could cure me, but they couldn't, until i got help from a clinic in roanoke, virginia that reteaches stutterers how to speak, that worked. i came out of treatment fluent. my speech is better than it used to be, i would play you my before and after tapes but they were lost in roanoke value, flood, we will look at someone else's before. >> the potential -- the -- p- portfoliop-pdifficultys. >> this one di guy invited my ia trip, it was supposed to be so romantic, he brings his mother. john: congratulations oil proving your speech, you are a model, and actress and having speaking parts now. >> yes, i have shot a lot of commercials and a film, i do a lot of work, which is awesome for hollywood. snow you also started a lot of experiments. >> i started speech class 8 years old, i tried all types of techniques, stretching every word together, i tried just talking into speaking out loud. talking to my dad. and then, went on. john: speaking of your dad, stutters runs in families, he stutters. >> my dad, my grand dad did. my cus ins do. -- cousins do, it has run in our family. john: about 5% of children go through some period of stuttering. most of them recover on their own. by late child hood. but about 1% do not. 4 times as many men as women, you are unusual that way. >> yes. i am one of few. john: and let's talk about this weird clinic we went to, it is really boring. >> it is. >> they slow us down, to two seconds per syllable to reteach us how to speak. this is about half a second per syllable. >> it takes a long time to have a conversation. but, they retaught us how to breathe and speak. that was one of the things that takes, awhile to understand, which we hear what a normal conversation is, from another person, and we. john: which is really very fast. >> we want to cop that's -- copy that, we're forcing words out rather than thinking how are we saying the word, and how our throat skpefrg works fo and eveg works for us. john: they put us in little rooms with a computer. >> now there is an app, i actually, before i go into every casting, i will hole my phone up, and -- hold my phone up and speak into the phone to make sure i talk clearly. john: to practice. >> to practice before every audition. john: we know how to speak correct khre, thaly. lear are othelee are stutters tt know were *eufrbg tige. tiger woods was afraid to answer questions in school. >> a simple question of most frightening thing, if you can't speak it. john: shaquille o'neal, teacher used to call on students in chat, i would sit there saying please don't call me. me. >> you know this guy. >> the most debilitating thing, people, hard to ask you to go to the prom, they look at you, they say this must be a he must be an idiot. john: well i have my own political opinion, but. he went on to say that in latin classes, his name nam nickname s joe impedementa . he said he helped himself by standing in the mirror, and quoting yates skpeupler son and. and samuel jackson? >> he talks about, we know how he swears a lot, he will say a swear word with the actual word hements to say, that helps him speak clearly. but marilyn monroe also did, i read into a lot of her work, she she would sit in the back of class, he said tha everything very sloy with a lot of breathiness. john: thank you fire dawson we learned from our experimenttation. the therapy that helped her, helped me, had no government sale of approval. it was relatively new, and untested, if it had to get government approval, she and i might never have been helped. it is still illegal for that clinic to offer to people in other states, america has so many rules that limit innovations, licenses rules in that case, remember the king's speech, it told a true story how king of england good help for his stuttering by going do an unlicenseed expert. >> my physician said, it relaxes -- the throat. >> they are idiots. >> they have all been knighted. >> it makes it official then. john: at first, the king criticizeed his new speech therapist. >> ni training, no diploma, a greet deal of no. >> lock me in the tower. john: the king goes ahead with the therapy, and unlicensed therapist helped him. here is one other unlicenseed therapy, that is stranger but as an experiment i tried it, when a difference it ahead in my life. -- it made in my life, for years his crippleing back pain. >> i spend years on my back, doing phone interviews, whatever i thought lying down meeting less of a strain on my back, there was a report on my back pain i did years ago, i took x-rays to this doctor. i had real stuff, disk problems s a crack. >> yes, they are normal. john: normal? that is what that doctor said, he claimed movie of what orthopedists and other so-called experts say about back pain is wrong, i was skeptical, but he said, how come everyone got back pain after ulcers got cureed? back is a strong muscle, this is psychological, you don't have a physical problem, you have a psychological problem, he said, i resiveed that claim, but -- i resisted that claim, and i saw howard stern said my life of the filled with back pain until i applied dr. sarno's principles in a phaelter of week phaelter r of weeks my pain disappeared, we went to a lecture, then some other people he helped would speak out about highway they got rid of their pain by ignoring it. attending one lecture, and reading his book, changed my life, i still get back spasms but, i ignore them they go away. people come to me, i saw that youtube video of you with back pain, it changedn my life, it hard to believe a lecture or a book could change so much but it did for me, theory is another one who was -- here is another man who was once paralyzeed with back 59. >back pain. >> tuesday. width, day 6, thursday. this is day 7, i was stum there for weeks unable to move on the floor of my office, i called dr. sarno 92 in. john: that is michael golinsky. you were skeptical too, but desperate? >> i was skeptical but i had a basis for belief, my fa her read the book in 80s and had gotten better after having an ulcer, i read the book, i saw my father on the pages and my brother and myself. john: the doctor said i do a lousy job. >> if you believe that it is a physical problem, that is a distraction for repressedic motions that might come up, if you stick on that idea you will not get better, if you embrace the idea it is not a vehicle you rally problem -- it is not a structural problem you get rid of the fear,. john: emotion could be anger or agenagent. >> he said they are goodests, people who do good things for others, they would get up early to move their mother's car to make sure they don't get a ticket. john: my brother is a fancy harvard doctor they trust, he had similar back pain, he spend time hanging by his neck in the we're track device. i told him doctor sarno said, he was probably an angry man, and he said this. >> if anybody told me that was all in my head, my rage would not be rether repressed. >> what do you have to lose? why not go to sarno try it? >> there are a lot of ridiculous things that i could do that woeup work. john: it workedf me. >> i am not convinced. >> it does sound ridiculous but you read story after story it is not, sarno is now in his 90s he is no longer practicing. >> there are about 50 people who treat with this methodology, there is no licenseing structure, which is a good thing, ideas come and go by themselves. john: thank you michael golinsky. what do you think, would you try an experiment at treatment, give us your opinion on twitter. so, my back pain is mostly cureed. so it my stuttering, but, i am still not happy. i worry a lot. i wish i were happier, some people say, you just need a hug. here is a woman offering hugs in times square. >> you want a hug? i want a hug. john: actually want a hug a stranger? does this create happiness? another small experiment when we return. we never thought we'd be farming wind out here. it's not just building jobs here, it's helping our community. siemens location here has just received a major order of wind turbines. it puts a huge smile on my face. cause i'm like, 'this is what we do.' the fact that iowa is leading the way in wind energy, i'm so proud, like, it's just amazing. x÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷÷ ♪ i voted for culture... ...with a 'k.' how are you? 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>> it functions to cause us to resip kate, almost always. you are nice to me, i am nice to you. john: my hugging people, people release more of that hormone. >> oxyto since. john: makes people happier. >> and healthier, and promoteing cooperation, without anybody telling us we have to. john: you try to do a scientific experiment with this in america, america said no. >> we did our first study in europe, and now have gotten fda approval a backdoor method for oxitosin instution studies in u.s., for a given environment why would you trust me? >> i would not, you some are weirdo with a drug. >> and a crazy white coat, we did it recall of time, but if we don't the economy crashs, unless we have someone telling us what to do we have to create opportunity to create wealth, and country with high trust we see higher prosperity, greater happiness, and greater well being issue unless we use the drug in u.s. we could not she the causeing a. john: now more than 10,000 papers of oxytauzin. >> right,y and radio been involved in clinical trials, let's try to discover something new. >> now, some people in types square, did not want the full frontal hug of strangers, so she tried an experiment. >> here is the appropriate stranger side hug, if you want to feel better, you want your oxytauzin level to increase i have to go full frontal. >> no, you are a stranger. >> stranger danger. john: all kinds of people are happy to hug. >> you i refuseed handshakes for 5 years. john: high produceer got full frontal hugs from dozens of strangers, some people ran to her. >> she is running. >> she is running. we're doing this. >> so, i am in middle of my hug experiment. and i am probably about 40 hugs in. i have hugged min, and hugged women, and hugged children. the men i have hugged they hug he too tightly, my dad is watching not going to appreciate this. oh, he is coming in he is going in here for the kill. -- oh,. >> i file better. >> i feel fantastic. >> maybe dr. love on to something. john: data show this makes people happy, but scientificly, oxytauzin how? >> we en fuse it into the nose it gets into brain after an hour we show a causal relationship between the ocyen to ienie the . do you want to dry? sure. >> >> i am required to wear a white coat, okay, take a deep breath. this will me melt the barrier between and you anyone you see. >> here is another experiment you gave people the oxytauzin spray, and showed them this video, call it the cancer kid video. >> a research center used to raise money. >> who do you see? >> ben is dying, there are no words to describe how it feels to know that your time is limited. john: people who got the spray gave more money. >> the video itself causes about a 50% increase in oxotocin. >> well one weird experiment after the other, thank you dr. paul zach, we'll see how i feel at the end of the show, up next more experiment with other stossels. 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[ male announcer ] cleaner, fresher, brighter every day. john: this show is about the beauty of trying experiments in life, let us experiment? my immigrant parents did not teach me, that says these are the rules of america. join a company, that is the route to success. but i have learned there are many other ways, maybe they are better. this group of young entrepreneurs has concludeed that. rod runs several businesses, inkpwhraouding this one that sells tickets to early morning dance partie parties. john: alec left school to talk his way. >> this is my son max. so. you frighten me because you are living an experiment. >> i am. i have jumped head first into the start up world that appealed to me, because of much of what i beforeed from my loving father. people are responsible for their own money, their own what they are building is what you see good results, that has driven ni these passionate people and great ideas. john: you live with some people are you doing start ups work i paid big bucks to help send you to fancy college. where have you learned more in two years since you graduateed or 4 years of the college? >> i think been 4 since graduation, but in those 4 years, learned so much more from the work force than school. i question whether i would send my own kids to college. john: you quit a job to try these experiment. a company that scans yore body for moles and send its to doctors. >> yes, dermatologisting rec mean you draw mole maps of your body. >> and feedback? >> turns every customer interaction into an experiment, we have the smartphones every time a business interacts with a customary that data walks out the door, we capture that. >> and ocho. >> an earnings percent. -- exper. ech.openocho makes everyone a br videographer. >> i wish you luck. now, irk rad a had -- erada you had a bunch of successes, the early morning dan thing people get up at 6 a.m. and go to a 7 a.m. dance party. >> all of us are looking for exciting ways to continue night life mentalty, but, a wholesome away. so, we said what if we start this experiment and lauren a early morning party called daybreaker, they break the day a 7 a.m. and mix and ming wel like minded entrepreneurs or artists. john: people pay 20 a head. >> 25 a head. >> it is growing. >> it is growing. we get calling from new delhi, tel aviv, japan, tokyo. john: if you think erada looks familiar her twin sister was once on the show, they started a be called super sprout promoteing vegetables to kids. >> my favorite vegetable is broccoli. because it makes me super strong, what is your super power. john: no kids will eat a vegetable because he does that. >> you wouldn't tell me if you would not playing with carat over here, wo would not think at eating a vegetable, colby carrot is good for your eyes, kids learn through stories and super powers why vegetables are good for you, is a very big success. >> i don't believe this. in cafeteria lunc lunchrooms, we wrapped them with art work, gave lunch laids hand puppets to remind kids to eat their super powers. they measures before and after, there was a 2 50% increase in children eating vegetables because of our program. john: alex, he said you are one of the most experimen experimen, you left college to go work, and you talked your way on to the price of right. >> i have never seen a full episode before going on. i pull an all nighter, before a final exam, figure out how the show works realize there is a loophole in statistic, focus by merge on that, won the showcase showdown, won a sailboat, sold the boat, that is how i funded my book. >> your book, you interview famous people, and you have gotten in lady gaga. and bill gates? >> well, not easy. john: keep writing e-mails. >> no, so there are some ways you can experiment, i have done cold e-mail its works and i have done cold e-mailing does not work, i have chased people down the sidewalk. >> peter grouper. >> you were a stalker? >> you know what difference between a stalker and me? intendtion. >> one thing you guys do with a dozens of your other friends experiments is burning man in the desert, what is that points? >> have you all these people coming to one place, they build these remarkable art pieces, in the en it is burned down, it is all about the process not the outcome, that is different from the world we live in. >> thank you, max, erada, alex and super sprout. next. >> smartest stossel of the family, no, it is not me. in new york state, we're changing the way we do business, with startup ny. we've created tax free zones throughout the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax. which means more growth for your business, and more jobs. it's not just business as usual. see how new york can help your business grow, at startup.ny.gov john: let us experiment. here is result of one. a scientist discovered how your cells crawl. here is video of a white blood cell, chasing after germs. the smaller black dots there. white blood cell kraeul crawls d chases until, finally it eats the bacteria. grabs it and eats it, hurray. this is why you are not dead, person who discovered how this works, happens to be my brother, dr. tom stossel, how many lives have you lengthened with this. >> not one. >> made mo difference. >> none. >> you kept experimenting. >> absolutely. >> in doing this you sometimes work with drug companies, pharmaceutical companies. >> and by technology companies that is only way yo it can be d. john: i'm told that is a horrible conflict of interest, a har is harharvard researcher yoo get information and drug companies want to make money. >> true, i want information, drug companyments to make money, and everyone benefits. john: you say there is a war against this. >> the conflict of interest mania. >> mania? >> it has no substance. it is just made up. it is taking what is normal competition, normal controversy. and turning it into a witch-hunt. john: are not there cases where researchers doctor their work, to sell drug, drug companies push drugs that are not good for us? >> turley there are not, all of cases are scientis scientific t, fraud, they had nothing to do with the industry, this is just people trying too -- like you researchers trying to advance their own career. or reason you can't fathom, success in science is when other people can produce your work. stuff you make up, people cannot reproduce. john: i am seeing these conflict of interests, a graph that shows how they increased. and titles of the stories are funny, bad farm amoney driven medicine, the big fix. sex, lives and pharmaceuticals. it is convincing . i want to make sure and you your partnership with say biogen is not selling me a drug that is bad. >> it is superficially plus able, people -- plu plausible, people cheat for money, it takes enormous resources to get those products to people, medicine is incredibly better today than what i starred out, it is too bad the medical products industry, have let themselves be blamed for bad things they did not do. they have let doctors, hospitals, medical journals, medical schools take credit for the good they have done, they are all important 92 i thought that is where innovation came from, from scooting and government funded research. >> i have had government funded resafrp mresearch my life. itit important but what gets product to patients comes from private sector, only they have resourceing and skill sets to get the job done. john: you worked with a company, biogen, a picture of the board with wearing their beanie hat. this turned your head? >> this folks wearing beanies they were world class scientists nobel prize winners, wok individua-- oneindividual in pat died last year, ken murray, and his work led to what is now the hepatitis va vaccine, and this s hugely important. >> the way he was paid, is now forbidden, he got stock options that is now illegal? >> that is correct. if he does research he did, to develop the hepatitis vaccine, he could not have had the stock, he would not have done it. john: thank you, tom, and next, just what is this show about? why are there so many stossels here? i will try to tie this together. next. we never thought we'd be farming wind out here. it's not just building jobs here, it's helping our community. siemens location here has just received a major order of wind turbines. it puts a huge smile on my face. cause i'm like, 'this is what we do.' the fact that iowa is leading the way in wind energy, i'm so proud, like, it's just amazing. that, my friends, is everything. and with the quicksilver card from capital one, you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase. not just "everything at the hardware store." not "everything, until you hit your cash back limit." quicksilver can earn you unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you could possibly imagine. say it with me -- everything. one more time, everything! and with that in mind... what's in your wallet? 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john: he jokes about his problem with steven colbert. we get help with experiments and treatments, which ones work. >> we just have to try things. john: let us experiment, that is our show tonight. john: this tv show is about ideas. but tonight i will bother with you my personal problem, my own life taught me a lesson about benefits of limited government. without so many rules, that does not prevent you from trying experiments. i can stand up right now, because, i have tried some experiments i can speak to you because i tried dozens of experiments. i'll conservative speaking first, i am a stut erica olsen, er. when i was a kid in school i i would stay silence in class, and avoid parties. i would hang up on the phone. now because of caller i.d., stutterers cannot do, that i got a job at a tv station, i never expected to go on tv when i did, i stuttered so badly i wanted to quit, i tried all kinds of therapies. all these experts said they could cure me, but they couldn't, until i got help from a clinic in roanoke, virginia that reteaches stutterers how to speak, that worked. i came out of treatment fluent. my speech is better than it used to be, i would play you my before and after tapes but they were lost in roanoke value, flood, we will look at someone else's before. >> the potential -- the -- p- portfoliop-pdifficultys. >> this one di guy invited my ia trip, it was supposed to be so romantic, he brings his mother. john: congratulations oil proving your speech, you are a model, and actress and having speaking parts now. >> yes, i have shot a lot of commercials and a film, i do a lot of work, which is awesome for hollywood. snow you also started a lot of experiments. >> i started speech class 8 years old, i tried all types of techniques, stretching every word together, i tried just talking into speaking out loud. talking to my dad. and then, went on. john: speaking of your dad, stutters runs in families, he stutters. >> my dad, my grand dad did. my cus ins do. -- cousins do, it has run in our family. john: about 5% of children go through some period of stuttering. most of them recover on their own. by late child hood. but about 1% do not. 4 times as many men as women, you are unusual that way. >> yes. i am one of few. john: and let's talk about this weird clinic we went to, it is really boring. >> it is. >> they slow us down, to two seconds per syllable to reteach us how to speak. this is about half a second per syllable. >> it takes a long time to have a conversation. but, they retaught us how to breathe and speak. that was one of the things that takes, awhile to understand, which we hear what a normal conversation is, from another person, and we. john: which is really very fast. >> we want to cop that's -- copy that, we're forcing words out rather than thinking how are we saying the word, and how our throat skpefrg works fo and eveg works for us. john: they put us in little rooms with a computer. >> now there is an app, i actually, before i go into every casting, i will hole my phone up, and -- hold my phone up and speak into the phone to make sure i talk clearly. john: to practice. >> to practice before every audition. john: we know how to speak correct khre, thaly. lear are othelee are stutters tt know were *eufrbg tige. tiger woods was afraid to answer questions in school. >> a simple question of most frightening thing, if you can't speak it. john: shaquille o'neal, teacher used to call on students in chat, i would sit there saying please don't call me. me. >> you know this guy. >> the most debilitating thing, people, hard to ask you to go to the prom, they look at you, they say this must be a he must be an idiot. john: well i have my own political opinion, but. he went on to say that in latin classes, his name nam nickname s joe impedementa . he said he helped himself by standing in the mirror, and quoting yates skpeupler son and. and samuel jackson? >> he talks about, we know how he swears a lot, he will say a swear word with the actual word hements to say, that helps him speak clearly. but marilyn monroe also did, i read into a lot of her work, she she would sit in the back of class, he said tha everything very sloy with a lot of breathiness. john: thank you fire dawson we learned from our experimenttation. the therapy that helped her, helped me, had no government sale of approval. it was relatively new, and untested, if it had to get government approval, she and i might never have been helped. it is still illegal for that clinic to offer to people in other states, america has so many rules that limit innovations, licenses rules in that case, remember the king's speech, it told a true story how king of england good help for his stuttering by going do an unlicenseed expert. >> my physician said, it relaxes -- the throat. >> they are idiots. >> they have all been knighted. >> it makes it official then. john: at first, the king criticizeed his new speech therapist. >> ni training, no diploma, a greet deal of no. >> lock me in the tower. john: the king goes ahead with the therapy, and unlicensed therapist helped him. here is one other unlicenseed therapy, that is stranger but as an experiment i tried it, when a difference it ahead in my life. -- it made in my life, for years his crippleing back pain. >> i spend years on my back, doing phone interviews, whatever i thought lying down meeting less of a strain on my back, there was a report on my back pain i did years ago, i took x-rays to this doctor. i had real stuff, disk problems s a crack. >> yes, they are normal. john: normal? that is what that doctor said, he claimed movie of what orthopedists and other so-called experts say about back pain is wrong, i was skeptical, but he said, how come everyone got back pain after ulcers got cureed? back is a strong muscle, this is psychological, you don't have a physical problem, you have a psychological problem, he said, i resiveed that claim, but -- i resisted that claim, and i saw howard stern said my life of the filled with back pain until i applied dr. sarno's principles in a phaelter of week phaelter r of weeks my pain disappeared, we went to a lecture, then some other people he helped would speak out about highway they got rid of their pain by ignoring it. attending one lecture, and reading his book, changed my life, i still get back spasms but, i ignore them they go away. people come to me, i saw that youtube video of you with back pain, it changedn my life, it hard to believe a lecture or a book could change so much but it did for me, theory is another one who was -- here is another man who was once paralyzeed with back 59. >back pain. >> tuesday. width, day 6, thursday. this is day 7, i was stum there for weeks unable to move on the floor of my office, i called dr. sarno 92 in. john: that is michael golinsky. you were skeptical too, but desperate? >> i was skeptical but i had a basis for belief, my fa her read the book in 80s and had gotten better after having an ulcer, i read the book, i saw my father on the pages and my brother and myself. john: the doctor said i do a lousy job. >> if you believe that it is a physical problem, that is a distraction for repressedic motions that might come up, if you stick on that idea you will not get better, if you embrace the idea it is not a vehicle you rally problem -- it is not a structural problem you get rid of the fear,. john: emotion could be anger or agenagent. >> he said they are goodests, people who do good things for others, they would get up early to move their mother's car to make sure they don't get a ticket. john: my brother is a fancy harvard doctor they trust, he had similar back pain, he spend time hanging by his neck in the we're track device. i told him doctor sarno said, he was probably an angry man, and he said this. >> if anybody told me that was all in my head, my rage would not be rether repressed. >> what do you have to lose? why not go to sarno try it? >> there are a lot of ridiculous things that i could do that woeup work. john: it workedf me. >> i am not convinced. >> it does sound ridiculous but you read story after story it is not, sarno is now in his 90s he is no longer practicing. >> there are about 50 people who treat with this methodology, there is no licenseing structure, which is a good thing, ideas come and go by themselves. john: thank you michael golinsky. what do you think, would you try an experiment at treatment, give us your opinion on twitter. so, my back pain is mostly cureed. so it my stuttering, but, i am still not happy. i worry a lot. i wish i were happier, some people say, you just need a hug. here is a woman offering hugs in times square. >> you want a hug? i want a hug. john: actually want a hug a stranger? does this create happiness? another small experiment when we return. >> who wants a hug? john: what is this woman yelling about. >> anyone feeling bad, i have hugs for you. john: she is offering people hug therapy, people take her up on it. elmo. the woman is ricky ratliff, one of my producers, i asked her to do this there is a theory that hugging makes you and them more trusting more willing to cooperate with people, and happier. >> i feel great. >> i feel better too, it's weird. john: i asked my produceer to do that because, i didn't want to do it our show title is let us experiment, hugging strangers in times square is not my kind of experiment. but, paul zach is easier to do it, he has done versions of if there are last 14 years, why? >> we wonder idea prosperity lives in some countries not other, we studied role of trust, we wanted a biological basis for why we trust strangers. john: because of a chemical in our body? >> it functions to cause us to resip kate, almost always. you are nice to me, i am nice to you. john: my hugging people, people release more of that hormone. >> oxyto since. john: makes people happier. >> and healthier, and promoteing cooperation, without anybody telling us we have to. john: you try to do a scientific experiment with this in america, america said no. >> we did our first study in europe, and now have gotten fda approval a backdoor method for oxitosin instution studies in u.s., for a given environment why would you trust me? >> i would not, you some are weirdo with a drug. >> and a crazy white coat, we did it recall of time, but if we don't the economy crashs, unless we have someone telling us what to do we have to create opportunity to create wealth, and country with high trust we see higher prosperity, greater happiness, and greater well being issue unless we use the drug in u.s. we could not she the causeing a. john: now more than 10,000 papers of oxytauzin. >> right,y and radio been involved in clinical trials, let's try to discover something new. >> now, some people in types square, did not want the full frontal hug of strangers, so she tried an experiment. >> here is the appropriate stranger side hug, if you want to feel better, you want your oxytauzin level to increase i have to go full frontal. >> no, you are a stranger. >> stranger danger. john: all kinds of people are happy to hug. >> you i refuseed handshakes for 5 years. john: high produceer got full frontal hugs from dozens of strangers, some people ran to her. >> she is running. >> she is running. we're doing this. >> so, i am in middle of my hug experiment. and i am probably about 40 hugs in. i have hugged min, and hugged women, and hugged children. the men i have hugged they hug he too tightly, my dad is watching not going to appreciate this. oh, he is coming in he is going in here for the kill. -- oh,. >> i file better. >> i feel fantastic. >> maybe dr. love on to something. john: data show this makes people happy, but scientificly, oxytauzin how? >> we en fuse it into the nose it gets into brain after an hour we show a causal relationship between the ocyen to ienie the . do you want to dry? sure. >> >> i am required to wear a white coat, okay, take a deep breath. this will me melt the barrier between and you anyone you see. >> here is another experiment you gave people the oxytauzin spray, and showed them this video, call it the cancer kid video. >> a research center used to raise money. >> who do you see? >> ben is dying, there are no words to describe how it feels to know that your time is limited. john: people who got the spray gave more money. >> the video itself causes about a 50% increase in oxotocin. >> well one weird experiment after the other, thank you dr. paul zach, we'll see how i feel at the end of the show, up next more experiment with other stossels. if you wear a denture, touch it with your tongue. if your denture moves, it can irritate your gums. try fixodent plus gum care. it helps stop denture movement and prevents gum irritation. fixodent. and forget it. that'and with truecar.com,thyhy lookithere's no buyer's remorse. a good deal or not. "okay, this the is the price," overand you're like. save time, save money, and never overpay. visit truecar.com john: do you get anxious often? i do, i worry i will stutter on tv, i worry that my tv ratings will go down, and fox will fire me, but whatever anxious experiment i have, is not compareed to my nephew scott. john and his nephew are joining us. john: scott and i appeared on fox and friends, he wrote this best setter, so, scott, sorry you are anxious but congratulation on having a bestseller, which i am ticked off about. because it -- i think out selling my last book. >> thank you but your ratings are higher than mine, i'm sure. john: you are that anxious, you can write this book, and most of us did not know. >> people with panic disorder, have hav fing 4 anxiety exposed. you project to outward look the calm and conconfidence and calm but that contributed to the anxious you are trying to keep that house of cards in tact, everyone will see me for weak, pathetic 18 shoes person they am. >> yet, here you are. on this show, and that just, promote age of. >> i would rather be buried in a sar coff -- full of rats and snakes than diped into cheese. no cheese. >> you are g good with velveeta. >> not even velveeta. >> you drug yourself up to do a tv show like that. >> i do. john: i am your uncle, do you have to take something today. >> less than i would to contend with colbert. >> what do you take? >> i will do a take a xanax or, if a high stakes one. don't try this at home, i will combine that with small amounts of alcohol. john: have you run off the stage? >> why would you want to do this you torture yourself. >> it has been therapeutic doing this public speaking on a regular basis. john: you are trying different techniques, you have tried a million techniques, predescribed drugs, psycho therapy, more drugs, nothing worked or all worked or some things worked? >> some have worked a little, nothing has fundamentally cureed the underlying dis order or stamped out the anxious uness. certain things work for different times. john: for other people, some get help. >> it is hard to predict, one never knows, in general, for any given treatment, one-third of people will get better could one third will get better for a short period of time and relapse, and one third it will not help at all, but you cannot tell in advance, which one third will be affected by which treatment. john: go try stuff. >> yep. john: tha see what works. >> you can feel like a guinea pig. john: a picture of you, that came out with atlantic article that you did, you feel miser in, i was not a happy kid either. it is a stossel trait, but this was you being anxious. >> on vacation in bermuda, i was 10 years old, i was unhappy, we had to go to dinner, and it made me nervous. john: if my brother made he dress that way in per mudea i can see -- bermuda, i can see why. >> i have a recollection of a thanksgiving dinner, i was nervous about a stomach agee ache, you were kind and consoleing to me, as i paced back and forth,. john: a picture of and you me at my wedding your sister who isal al al al al anxious that makes people say it could run in the family. >> thank you scott stossel, coming up more stossel trying crazy experiments that is wrong with us or maybe it is not wrong. ♪ music hi! need help finding a dependable used car? 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my immigrant parents did not teach me, that says these are the rules of america. join a company, that is the route to success. but i have learned there are many other ways, maybe they are better. this group of young entrepreneurs has concludeed that. rod runs several businesses, inkpwhraouding this one that sells tickets to early morning dance partie parties. john: alec left school to talk his way. >> this is my son max. so. you frighten me because you are living an experiment. >> i am. i have jumped head first into the start up world that appealed to me, because of much of what i beforeed from my loving father. people are responsible for their own money, their own what they are building is what you see good results, that has driven ni these passionate people and great ideas. john: you live with some people are you doing start ups work i paid big bucks to help send you to fancy college. where have you learned more in two years since you graduateed or 4 years of the college? >> i think been 4 since graduation, but in those 4 years, learned so much more from the work force than school. i question whether i would send my own kids to college. john: you quit a job to try these experiment. a company that scans yore body for moles and send its to doctors. >> yes, dermatologisting rec mean you draw mole maps of your body. >> and feedback? >> turns every customer interaction into an experiment, we have the smartphones every time a business interacts with a customary that data walks out the door, we capture that. >> and ocho. >> an earnings percent. -- exper. ech.openocho makes everyone a br videographer. >> i wish you luck. now, irk rad a had -- erada you had a bunch of successes, the early morning dan thing people get up at 6 a.m. and go to a 7 a.m. dance party. >> all of us are looking for exciting ways to continue night life mentalty, but, a wholesome away. so, we said what if we start this experiment and lauren a early morning party called daybreaker, they break the day a 7 a.m. and mix and ming wel like minded entrepreneurs or artists. john: people pay 20 a head. >> 25 a head. >> it is growing. >> it is growing. we get calling from new delhi, tel aviv, japan, tokyo. john: if you think erada looks familiar her twin sister was once on the show, they started a be called super sprout promoteing vegetables to kids. >> my favorite vegetable is broccoli. because it makes me super strong, what is your super power. john: no kids will eat a vegetable because he does that. >> you wouldn't tell me if you would not playing with carat over here, wo would not think at eating a vegetable, colby carrot is good for your eyes, kids learn through stories and super powers why vegetables are good for you, is a very big success. >> i don't believe this. in cafeteria lunc lunchrooms, we wrapped them with art work, gave lunch laids hand puppets to remind kids to eat their super powers. they measures before and after, there was a 2 50% increase in children eating vegetables because of our program. john: alex, he said you are one of the most experimen experimen, you left college to go work, and you talked your way on to the price of right. >> i have never seen a full episode before going on. i pull an all nighter, before a final exam, figure out how the show works realize there is a loophole in statistic, focus by merge on that, won the showcase showdown, won a sailboat, sold the boat, that is how i funded my book. >> your book, you interview famous people, and you have gotten in lady gaga. and bill gates? >> well, not easy. john: keep writing e-mails. >> no, so there are some ways you can experiment, i have done cold e-mail its works and i have done cold e-mailing does not work, i have chased people down the sidewalk. >> peter grouper. >> you were a stalker? >> you know what difference between a stalker and me? intendtion. >> one thing you guys do with a dozens of your other friends experiments is burning man in the desert, what is that points? >> have you all these people coming to one place, they build these remarkable art pieces, in the en it is burned down, it is all about the process not the outcome, that is different from the world we live in. >> thank you, max, erada, alex and super sprout. next. >> smartest stossel of the family, no, it is not me. when folks think about what they get from alaska, they think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. john: let us experiment. here is result of one. a scientist discovered how your cells crawl. here is video of a white blood cell, chasing after germs. the smaller black dots there. white blood cell kraeul crawls d chases until, finally it eats the bacteria. grabs it and eats it, hurray. this is why you are not dead, person who discovered how this works, happens to be my brother, dr. tom stossel, how many lives have you lengthened with this. >> not one. >> made mo difference. >> none. >> you kept experimenting. >> absolutely. >> in doing this you sometimes work with drug companies, pharmaceutical companies. >> and by technology companies that is only way yo it can be d. john: i'm told that is a horrible conflict of interest, a har is harharvard researcher yoo get information and drug companies want to make money. >> true, i want information, drug companyments to make money, and everyone benefits. john: you say there is a war against this. >> the conflict of interest mania. >> mania? >> it has no substance. it is just made up. it is taking what is normal competition, normal controversy. and turning it into a witch-hunt. john: are not there cases where researchers doctor their work, to sell drug, drug companies push drugs that are not good for us? >> turley there are not, all of cases are scientis scientific t, fraud, they had nothing to do with the industry, this is just people trying too -- like you researchers trying to advance their own career. or reason you can't fathom, success in science is when other people can produce your work. stuff you make up, people cannot reproduce. john: i am seeing these conflict of interests, a graph that shows how they increased. and titles of the stories are funny, bad farm amoney driven medicine, the big fix. sex, lives and pharmaceuticals. it is convincing . i want to make sure and you your partnership with say biogen is not selling me a drug that is bad. >> it is superficially plus able, people -- plu plausible, people cheat for money, it takes enormous resources to get those products to people, medicine is incredibly better today than what i starred out, it is too bad the medical products industry, have let themselves be blamed for bad things they did not do. they have let doctors, hospitals, medical journals, medical schools take credit for the good they have done, they are all important 92 i thought that is where innovation came from, from scooting and government funded research. >> i have had government funded resafrp mresearch my life. itit important but what gets product to patients comes from private sector, only they have resourceing and skill sets to get the job done. john: you worked with a company, biogen, a picture of the board with wearing their beanie hat. this turned your head? >> this folks wearing beanies they were world class scientists nobel prize winners, wok individua-- oneindividual in pat died last year, ken murray, and his work led to what is now the hepatitis va vaccine, and this s hugely important. >> the way he was paid, is now forbidden, he got stock options that is now illegal? >> that is correct. if he does research he did, to develop the hepatitis vaccine, he could not have had the stock, he would not have done it. john: thank you, tom, and next, just what is this show about? why are there so many stossels here? i will try to tie this together. next. wondering what that is? that, my friends, is everything. and with the quicksilver card from capital one, you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase. not just "everything at the hardware store." not "everything, until you hit your cash back limit." quicksilver can earn you unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you could possibly imagine. say it with me -- everything. one more time, everything! and with that in mind... what's in your wallet? 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[thunk] visit theshelterpetproject.org. adopt. show, i have had a 40 year career in journalism, how did i get here, i was never a good public speaker, i'm shy, and a stutter, why am i here? because of experiments, i plan to be come a help manager, i was accepted by graduate school at university of chicago. but, before i went to grad school, i was sick of school, i took a year off, i went to a lot of job interviews, seattle magazine offered me a job doing bookkeeper, i accepted but they went out of, someone offered me a job working in a tv newsroom that too was an experiment. i never watched tv news. in rets respec having no formal training properly helped me. i was open to new ideas. i did well in a profession that was barely invented when i was in school, tonight, i was surprised my own son said. >> i question whether i would send my own kids to college when that time comes. >> world has changed but i think he is right, by the time that time comes, most of your colleges will be history, they will be cheaper, and betteral to thattives created by people who tried oak percent. s, i tried one, that happiness research erin jeced the hormone oxytocin into a nasal spray, and gave me about 1 10 hits of the stuff, extra amounts of hormone with make people feel happier dit work? -- feel happier, i feel nothing, really, no happier, no different, he did say it may take an hour. so, i will wait, and report what happens later to my web page. finally, let's remember america. is an experiment. explorers sa*eulged west, they don't know what they would fine, then limited government founders created in philadelphia was an experiment it happened it bring us a longest tpurpblgsing democracy in the modern world, but funners did not expects that. hire it is still going strong. so are we, so far. so let's keep experimenting, that is our show, see you next week. . >> and tomorrow is national bouillon-based day, so we will be eating french stew. don't forget to log on for after the show show. good-bye, everybody. new jobs on a roll, coming in ahead six months in a row, but the nation is warning that the labor board may be slamming thing on it. and giving unions the okay to sue big business, and can that be a concern for the job market? i'm brenda butner. and joining us is josh mayfield, and gary tautbalm
with steven colbert. we get help with experiments and treatments, which ones work. >> we just have to try things. john: let us experiment, that is our show tonight. john: this tv show is about ideas. but tonight i will bother with you my personal problem, my own life taught me a lesson about benefits of limited government. without so many rules, that does not prevent you from trying experiments. i can stand up right now, because, i have tried some experiments i can speak to you because i tried dozens of experiments. i'll conservative speaking first, i am a stut erica olsen, er. when i was a kid in school i i would stay silence in class, and avoid parties. i would hang up on the phone. now because of caller i.d., stutterers cannot do, that i got a job at a tv station, i never expected to go on tv when i did, i stuttered so badly i wanted to quit, i tried all kinds of therapies. all these experts said they could cure me, but they couldn't, until i got help from a clinic in roanoke, virginia that reteaches stutterers how to speak, that worked. i came out of treatment fluent. my speech is better than it used to be, i would play you my before and after tapes but they were lost in roanoke value, flood, we will look at someone else's before. >> the potential -- the -- p- portfoliop-pdifficultys. >> this one di guy invited my ia trip, it was supposed to be so romantic, he brings his mother. john: congratulations oil proving your speech, you are a model, and actress and having speaking parts now. >> yes, i have shot a lot of commercials and a film, i do a lot of work, which is awesome for hollywood. snow you also started a lot of experiments. >> i started speech class 8 years old, i tried all types of techniques, stretching every word together, i tried just talking into speaking out loud. talking to my dad. and then, went on. john: speaking of your dad, stutters runs in families, he stutters. >> my dad, my grand dad did. my cus ins do. -- cousins do, it has run in our family. john: about 5% of children go through some period of stuttering. most of them recover on their own. by late child hood. but about 1% do not. 4 times as many men as women, you are unusual that way. >> yes. i am one of few. john: and let's talk about this weird clinic we went to, it is really boring. >> it is. >> they slow us down, to two seconds per syllable to reteach us how to speak. this is about half a second per syllable. >> it takes a long time to have a conversation. but, they retaught us how to breathe and speak. that was one of the things that takes, awhile to understand, which we hear what a normal conversation is, from another person, and we. john: which is really very fast. >> we want to cop that's -- copy that, we're forcing words out rather than thinking how are we saying the word, and how our throat skpefrg works fo and eveg works for us. john: they put us in little rooms with a computer. >> now there is an app, i actually, before i go into every casting, i will hole my phone up, and -- hold my phone up and speak into the phone to make sure i talk clearly. john: to practice. >> to practice before every audition. john: we know how to speak correct khre, thaly. lear are othelee are stutters tt know were *eufrbg tige. tiger woods was afraid to answer questions in school. >> a simple question of most frightening thing, if you can't speak it. john: shaquille o'neal, teacher used to call on students in chat, i would sit there saying please don't call me. me. >> you know this guy. >> the most debilitating thing, people, hard to ask you to go to the prom, they look at you, they say this must be a he must be an idiot. john: well i have my own political opinion, but. he went on to say that in latin classes, his name nam nickname s joe impedementa . he said he helped himself by standing in the mirror, and quoting yates skpeupler son and. and samuel jackson? >> he talks about, we know how he swears a lot, he will say a swear word with the actual word hements to say, that helps him speak clearly. but marilyn monroe also did, i read into a lot of her work, she she would sit in the back of class, he said tha everything very sloy with a lot of breathiness. john: thank you fire dawson we learned from our experimenttation. the therapy that helped her, helped me, had no government sale of approval. it was relatively new, and untested, if it had to get government approval, she and i might never have been helped. it is still illegal for that clinic to offer to people in other states, america has so many rules that limit innovations, licenses rules in that case, remember the king's speech, it told a true story how king of england good help for his stuttering by going do an unlicenseed expert. >> my physician said, it relaxes -- the throat. >> they are idiots. >> they have all been knighted. >> it makes it official then. john: at king criticizeed his new speech therapist. >> ni training, no diploma, a greet deal of no. >> lock me in the tower. john: the king goes ahead with the therapy, and unlicensed therapist helped him. here is one other unlicenseed therapy, that is stranger but as an experiment i tried it, when a difference it ahead in my life. -- it made in my life, for years his crippleing back pain. >> i spend years on my back, doing phone interviews, whatever i thought lying down meeting less of a strain on my back, there was a report on my back pain i did years ago, i took x-rays to this doctor. i had real stuff, disk problems s a crack. >> yes, they are normal. john: normal? that is what that doctor said, he claimed movie of what orthopedists and other so-called experts say about back pain is wrong, i was skeptical, but he said, how come everyone got back pain after ulcers got cureed? back is a strong muscle, this is psychological, you don't have a physical problem, you have a psychological problem, he said, i resiveed that claim, but -- i resisted that claim, and i saw howard stern said my life of the filled with back pain until i applied dr. sarno's principles in a phaelter of week phaelter r of weeks my pain disappeared, we went to a lecture, then some other people he helped would speak out about highway they got rid of their pain by ignoring it. attending one lecture, and reading his book, changed my life, i still get back spasms but, i ignore them they go away. people come to me, i saw that youtube video of you with back pain, it changedn my life, it hard to believe a lecture or a book could change so much but it did for me, theory is another one who was -- here is another man who was once paralyzeed with back 59. >back pain. >> tuesday. width, day 6, thursday. this is day 7, i was stum there for weeks unable to move on the floor of my office, i called dr. sarno 92 in. john: that is michael golinsky. you were skeptical too, but desperate? >> i was skeptical but i had a basis for belief, my fa her read the book in 80s and had gotten better after having an ulcer, i read the book, i saw my father on the pages and my brother and myself. john: the doctor said i do a lousy job. >> if you believe that it is a physical problem, that is a distraction for repressedic motions that might come up, if you stick on that idea you will not get better, if you embrace the idea it is not a vehicle you rally problem -- it is not a structural problem you get rid of the fear,. john: emotion could be anger or agenagent. >> he said they are goodests, people who do good things for others, they would get up early to move their mother's car to make sure they don't get a ticket. john: my brother is a fancy harvard doctor they trust, he had similar back pain, he spend time hanging by his neck in the we're track device. i told him doctor sarno said, he was probably an angry man, and he said this. >> if anybody told me that was all in my head, my rage would not be rether repressed. >> what do you have to lose? why not go to sarno try it? >> there are a lot of ridiculous things that i could do that woeup work. john: it workedf me. >> i am not convinced. >> it does sound ridiculous but you read story after story it is not, sarno is now in his 90s he is no longer practicing. >> there are about 50 people who treat with this methodology, there is no licenseing structure, which is a good thing, ideas come and go by themselves. john: thank you michael golinsky. what do you think, would you try an experiment at treatment, give us your opinion on twitter. so, my back pain is mostly cureed. so it my stuttering, but, i am still not happy. i worry a lot. i wish i were happier, some people say, you just need a hug. here is a woman offering hugs in times square. >> you want a hug? i want a hug. john: actually want a hug a stranger? does this create happiness? another small experiment when we return. when you run a business, you can't settle for slow. that's why i always choose the fastest intern. the fastest printer. the fastest lunch. turkey club. the fastest pencil sharpener. the fastest elevator. the fastest speed dial. the fastest office plant. so why wouldn't i choose the fastest wifi? 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>> we wonder idea prosperity lives in some countries not other, we studied role of trust, we wanted a biological basis for why we trust strangers. john: because of a chemical in our body? >> it functions to cause us to resip kate, almost always. you are nice to me, i am nice to you. john: my hugging people, people release more of that hormone. >> oxyto since. john: makes people happier. >> and healthier, and promoteing cooperation, without anybody telling us we have to. john: you try to do a scientific experiment with this in america, america said no. >> we did our first study in europe, and now have gotten fda approval a backdoor method for oxitosin instution studies in u.s., for a given environment why would you trust me? >> i would not, you some are weirdo with a drug. >> and a crazy white coat, we did it recall of time, but if we don't the economy crashs, unless we have someone telling us what to do we have to create opportunity to create wealth, and country with high trust we see higher prosperity, greater happiness, and greater well being issue unless we use the drug in u.s. we could not she the causeing a. john: now more than 10,000 papers of oxytauzin. >> right,y and radio been involved in clinical trials, let's try to discover something new. >> now, some people in types square, did not want the full frontal hug of strangers, so she tried an experiment. >> here is the appropriate stranger side hug, if you want to feel better, you want your oxytauzin level to increase i have to go full frontal. >> no, you are a stranger. >> stranger danger. john: all kinds of people are happy to hug. >> you i refuseed handshakes for 5 years. john: high produceer got full frontal hugs from dozens of strangers, some people ran to her. >> she is running. >> she is running. we're doing this. >> so, i am in middle of my hug experiment. and i am probably about 40 hugs in. i have hugged min, and hugged women, and hugged children. the men i have hugged they hug he too tightly, my dad is watching not going to appreciate this. oh, he is coming in he is going in here for the kill. -- oh,. >> i file better. >> i feel fantastic. >> maybe dr. love on to something. john: data show this makes people happy, but scientificly, oxytauzin how? >> we en fuse it into the nose it gets into brain after an hour we show a causal relationship between the ocyen to ienie the . do you want to dry? sure. >> >> i am required to wear a white coat, okay, take a deep breath. this will me melt the barrier between and you anyone you see. >> here is another experiment you gave people the oxytauzin spray, and showed them this video, call it the cancer kid video. >> a research center used to raise money. >> who do you see? >> ben is dying, there are no words to describe how it feels to know that your time is limited. john: people who got the spray gave more money. >> the video itself causes about a 50% increase in oxotocin. >> well one weird experiment after the other, thank you dr. paul zach, we'll see how i feel at the end of the show, up next more experiment with other stossels. in new york state, we're changing the way we do business, with startup ny. we've created tax free zones throughout the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax. which means more growth for your business, and more jobs. it's not just business as usual. see how new york can help your business grow, at startup.ny.gov weit's not justt we'd be fabuilding jobs here,. it's helping our community. siemens location here has just received a major order of wind turbines. it puts a huge smile on my face. cause i'm like, 'this is what we do.' the fact that iowa is leading the way in wind energy, i'm so proud, like, it's just amazing. that, my friends, is everything. and with the quicksilver card from capital one, you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you purchase. not just "everything at the hardware store." not "everything, until you hit your cash back limit." quicksilver can earn you unlimited 1.5% cash back on everything you could possibly imagine. say it with me -- everything. one more time, everything! and with that in mind... what's in your wallet? john: do you get anxious often? i do, i worry i will stutter on tv, i worry that my tv ratings will go down, and fox will fire me, but whatever anxious experiment i have, is not compareed to my nephew scott. john and his nephew are joining us. john: scott and i appeared on fox and friends, he wrote this best setter, so, scott, sorry you are anxious but congratulation on having a bestseller, which i am ticked off about. because it -- i think out selling my last book. >> thank you but your ratings are higher than mine, i'm sure. john: you are that anxious, you can write this book, and most of us did not know. >> people with panic disorder, have hav fear about having 4 any exposed. you project to outward look the calm and conconfidence and calm but that contributed to the anxious you are trying to keep that house of cards in tact, everyone will see me for weak, pathetic 18 shoes person they am. >> yet, here you are. on this show, and that just, promote age of. >> i would rather be buried in a sar coff -- full of rats and snakes than diped into cheese. no cheese. >> you are g good with velveeta. >> not even velveeta. >> you drug yourself up to do a tv show like that. >> i do. john: i am your uncle, do you have to take something today. >> less than i would to contend with colbert. >> what do you take? >> i will do a take a xanax or, if a high stakes one. don't try this at home, i will combine that with small amounts of alcohol. john: have you run off the stage? >> why would you want to do this you torture yourself. >> it has been therapeutic doing this public speaking on a regular basis. john: you are trying different techniques, you have tried a million techniques, predescribed drugs, psycho therapy, more drugs, nothing worked or all worked or some things worked? >> some have worked a little, nothing has fundamentally cureed the underlying dis order or stamped out the anxious uness. certain things work for different times. john: for other people, some get help. >> it is hard to predict, one never knows, in general, for any given treatment, one-third of people will get better could one third will get better for a short period of time and relapse, and one third it will not help at all, but you cannot tell in advance, which one third will be affected by which treatment. john: go try stuff. >> yep. john: tha see what works. >> you can feel like a guinea pig. john: a picture of you, that came out with atlantic article that you did, you feel miser in, i was not a happy kid either. it is a stossel trait, but this was you being anxious. >> on vacation in bermuda, i was 10 years old, i was unhappy, we had to go to dinner, and it made me nervous. john: if my brother made he dress that way in per mudea i can see -- bermuda, i can see why. >> i have a recollection of a thanksgiving dinner, i was nervous about a stomach agee ache, you were kind and consoleing to me, as i paced back and forth,. john: a picture of and you me at my wedding your sister who isal al al al al anxious that makes people say it could run in the family. >> thank you scott stossel, coming up more stossel trying crazy experiments that is wrong with us or maybe it is not wrong. many of my patients still clean their dentures with toothpaste. but they have to use special care in keeping the denture clean. dentures are very different to real teeth. they're about 10 times softer and may have surface pores where bacteria can multiply. polident is designed to clean dentures daily. its unique micro-clean formula kills 99.99% of odor causing bacteria and helps dissolve stains, cleaning in a better way than brushing with toothpaste. that's why i recommend using polident. [ male announcer ] polident. cleaner, fresher, brighter every day. john: this show is about the beauty of trying experiments in life, let us experiment? my immigrant parents did not teach me, that says these are the rules of america. join a company, that is the route to success. but i have learned there are many other ways, maybe they are better. this group of young entrepreneurs has concludeed that. rod runs several businesses, inkpwhraouding this one that sells tickets to early morning dance partie parties. john: alec left school to talk his way. >> this is my son max. so. you frighten me because you are living an experiment. >> i am. i have jumped head first into the start up world that appealed to me, because of much of what i beforeed from my loving father. people are responsible for their own money, their own what they are building is what you see good results, that has driven ni these passionate people and great ideas. john: you live with some people are you doing start ups work i paid big bucks to help send you to fancy college. where have you learned more in two years since you graduateed or 4 years of the college? >> i think been 4 since graduation, but in those 4 years, learned so much more from the work force than school. i question whether i would send my own kids to college. john: you quit a job to try these experiment. a company that scans yore body for moles and send its to doctors. >> yes, dermatologisting rec mean you draw mole maps of your body. >> and feedback? >> turns every customer interaction into an experiment, we have the smartphones every time a business interacts with a customary that data walks out the door, we capture that. >> and ocho. >> an earnings percent. -- exper. ech.openocho makes everyone a br videographer. >> i wish you luck. now, irk rad a had -- erada you had a bunch of successes, the early morning dan thing people get up at 6 a.m. and go to a 7 a.m. dance party. >> all of us are looking for exciting ways to continue night life mentalty, but, a wholesome away. so, we said what if we start this experiment and lauren a early morning party called daybreaker, they break the day a 7 a.m. and mix and ming wel like minded entrepreneurs or artists. john: people pay 20 a head. >> 25 a head. >> it is growing. >> it is growing. we get calling from new delhi, tel aviv, japan, tokyo. john: if you think erada looks familiar her twin sister was once on the show, they started a be called super sprout promoteing vegetables to kids. >> my favorite vegetable is broccoli. because it makes me super strong, what is your super power. john: no kids will eat a vegetable because he does that. >> you wouldn't tell me if you would not playing with carat over here, wo would not think at eating a vegetable, colby carrot is good for your eyes, kids learn through stories and super powers why vegetables are good for you, is a very big success. >> i don't believe this. in cafeteria lunc lunchrooms, we wrapped them with art work, gave lunch laids hand puppets to remind kids to eat their super powers. they measures before and after, there was a 2 50% increase in children eating vegetables because of our program. john: alex, he said you are one of the most experimen experimen, you left college to go work, and you talked your way on to the price of right. >> i have never seen a full episode before going on. i pull an all nighter, before a final exam, figure out how the show works realize there is a loophole in statistic, focus by merge on that, won the showcase showdown, won a sailboat, sold the boat, that is how i funded my book. >> your book, you interview famous people, and you have gotten in lady gaga. and bill gates? >> well, not easy. john: keep writing e-mails. >> no, so there are some ways you can experiment, i have done cold e-mail its works and i have done cold e-mailing does not work, i have chased people down the sidewalk. >> peter grouper. >> you were a stalker? >> you know what difference between a stalker and me? intendtion. >> one thing you guys do with a dozens of your other friends experiments is burning man in the desert, what is that points? >> have you all these people coming to one place, they build these remarkable art pieces, in the en it is burned down, it is all about the process not the outcome, that is different from the world we live in. >> thank you, max, erada, alex and super sprout. next. >> smartest stossel of the family, no, it is not me. your 16-year-old daughter studied day and night for her driver's test. secretly inside, you hoped she wouldn't pass. the thought of your baby girl driving around all by herself was... you just weren't ready. but she did pass. 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>> it has no substance. it is just made up. it is taking what is normal competition, normal controversy. and turning it into a witch-hunt. john: are not there cases where researchers doctor their work, to sell drug, drug companies push drugs that are not good for us? >> turley there are not, all of cases are scientis scientific t, fraud, they had nothing to do with the industry, this is just people trying too -- like you researchers trying to advance their own career. or reason you can't fathom, success in science is when other people can produce your work. stuff you make up, people cannot reproduce. john: i am seeing these conflict of interests, a graph that shows how they increased. and titles of the stories are funny, bad farm amoney driven medicine, the big fix. sex, lives and pharmaceuticals. it is convincing . i want to make sure and you your partnership with say biogen is not selling me a drug that is bad. >> it is superficially plus able, people -- plu plausible, people cheat for money, it takes enormous resources to get those products to people, medicine is incredibly better today than what i starred out, it is too bad the medical products industry, have let themselves be blamed for bad things they did not do. they have let doctors, hospitals, medical journals, medical schools take credit for the good they have done, they are all important 92 i thought that is where innovation came from, from scooting and government funded research. >> i have had government funded resafrp mresearch my life. itit important but what gets product to patients comes from private sector, only they have resourceing and skill sets to get the job done. john: you worked with a company, biogen, a picture of the board with wearing their beanie hat. this turned your head? >> this folks wearing beanies they were world class scientists nobel prize winners, wok individua-- oneindividual in pat died last year, ken murray, and his work led to what is now the hepatitis va vaccine, and this s hugely important. >> the way he was paid, is now forbidden, he got stock options that is now illegal? >> that is correct. if he does research he did, to develop the hepatitis vaccine, he could not have had the stock, he would not have done it. john: thank you, tom, and next, just what is this show about? why are there so many stossels here? i will try to tie this together. next. in new york state, we're changing the way we do business, with startup ny. we've created tax free zones throughout the state. and startup ny companies will be investing hundreds of millions of dollars in jobs and infrastructure. thanks to startup ny, businesses can operate tax free for 10 years. no property tax. no business tax. and no sales tax. which means more growth for your business, and more jobs. it's not just business as usual. see how new york can help your business grow, at startup.ny.gov when folks think about wthey think salmon and energy. but the energy bp produces up here creates something else as well: jobs all over america. engineering and innovation jobs. advanced safety systems & technology. shipping and manufacturing. across the united states, bp supports more than a quarter million jobs. when we set up operation in one part of the country, people in other parts go to work. that's not a coincidence. it's one more part of our commitment to america. show, i have had a 40 year career in journalism, how did i get here, i was never a good public speaker, i'm shy, and a stutter, why am i here? because of experiments, i plan to be come a help manager, i was accepted by graduate school at university of chicago. but, before i went to grad school, i was sick of school, i took a year off, i went to a lot of job interviews, seattle magazine offered me a job doing bookkeeper, i accepted but they went out of, someone offered me a job working in a tv newsroom that too was an experiment. i never watched tv news. in rets respec having no formal training properly helped me. i was open to new ideas. i did well in a profession that was barely invented when i was in school, tonight, i was surprised my own son said. >> i question whether i would send my own kids to college when that time comes. >> world has changed but i think he is right, by the time that time comes, most of your colleges will be history, they will be cheaper, and betteral to thattives created by people who tried oak percent. s, i tried one, that happiness research erin jeced the hormone oxytocin into a nasal spray, and gave me about 1 10 hits of the stuff, extra amounts of hormone with make people feel happier dit work? -- feel happier, i feel nothing, really, no happier, no different, he did say it may take an hour. so, i will wait, and report what happens later to my web page. finally, let's remember america. is an experiment. explorers sa*eulged west, they don't know what they would fine, then limited government founders created in philadelphia was an experiment it happened it bring us a longest tpurpblgsing democracy in the modern world, but funners did not expects that. hire it is still going strong. so are we, so far. so let's keep experimenting, that is our show, see you next week. everybody. 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while this side of the room mulls, i know we had a question. please? i nancy aaronson. just two things. one, i was a part of the family conversations at the 9/11 memorial museum. and we -- and i wanted to comment briefly to the saudi lady that we struggled at the museum. about how to portray the terrorists. and, with trying to be extremely sensitive, to mention that those were a very, very small group of a very large and loving religion. my question to you today is as families, what's our next step? how can we help move forward with the homeland security? perhaps some kind of pressure to deal better with homeland security? how can we help make ourselves safer. you know, i see this scary, like the fliegts 17 thing. and i'm hearing about, you know, the plastic bombs and stuff. what can we do -- what's our next step? thank you. >> my reaction to that is the most important thing you can do is to convey what we try to convey in this report. and that is just the urgency of dealing with the threat of terrorism. the thing that really worries us as reflected in the report, is that the american people have turned their attention to other things, understandably. a lot of things happening in the world. and in this country. and if they turn their attention away from terrorism and the possibility of terrorists attacks, then the politicians will turn away from it, too. and you heard director clapper this morning say that he's worried about cuts in the appropriations bills. so all of these things go back to urgency. getting rid of the complacency. and i think the families could be quite helpful if they focused on public relations campaign here, in effect, to let people know that it is a dangerous world. now, we get into a lot of specific things that may attract you. you can go through our recommendations. maybe you have some views of your own on recommendations. and you can plug those things. you heard a lot of plugs today for correcting the oversight of the congress. but overall, the hugesighted is to keep the eyes of the nation on the prospect of terrorist attack. and what might come from that. >> i don't know of any group that has taken a tragedy and tried to use that tragedy to teach other people and is persistent in trying to make this country a better place. you have never, ever stopped. and i think it's extraordinary in the history of this country what you've done and what you continue to do. so i advise you continue to do it. you've got tremendous credibility and i think you're a great help. >> i'd like to ask you to join me in thanks for not just today, but for decades of proud sfsz to our country. [ applause ] >> and as we are thanking them, let me thank all of you. you are not an audience. the vast majority of you are expert who is have been deeply engaged in leading this work for a dozen years. and we thank you for that. and hope we have the opportunity to continue to work together. thanks. >> president nixon resigned 40 years ago on august 9th, 1974 in the aftermath of the watergate scan dalt. coming up, we take you live to the museum in washington, d.c. for a look back at the only presidential resignation in american history. this is live coverage. >> you heard the name john erlich. for his work in washington, he later served a year and a half in prison. and then moved to santa fe, new mexico, grew a beard and wrote three novels. when he was interviewed in 1982 about the tapes from the nixon presidency, he says he wished a team of historians would be able to listen to them in their entirety. and only then, not just from fractions, only then come out with an assessment. richard nixon had so many characters inside his singular, unusual and capacious mind. that's an astute observation. and, tonight, we will hear from nixon, the statesman, nixon the thug, nixon the historian, nixon the big olt, the sentimental father, the vengeful bombing commander and that's just for a start. i'm shelby kauffe, the vice president of the museum. we'd like to welcome you to this that will fulfill the wish on the night before the 40th anniversary of the president's resignation. first, we will have the tireless dr. luke nichter from texas a&m. he has spent over a decade digitizing the 3700 hours of white house tapes. he is teamed with douglas brinkley, our second panelists, to produce the new book, "nixon tachs." it's from 1971-'73 in the critical vietnam war years and also aufrs astonishing glimpses of the man in the oval office, often at war with himself. douglas, now a professor at rice university, is well-known here at the museum for miz many books including the recent big ra fill of walter cronkite. our third panel is the world famous bernstein. as you saw in the video, they worked on the water gate stories from the first days and helped win the pulitzer prize for the paper. i got to know carl when we were young reporters. his hair was dark as night, so was mine. it was an interesting picture to watch him go from a bright, young writer with a flamboyant writing style to a historic figure in american journalism and political lure. and, later, the author of well-reviewed books on pope john paul, ii and hillary clinton, who is now writing a book on his early years, his teen years, at the washington star for long time washingtonians. he is now the professor at stonybrook university, in long island. carl was always the more colorful of the duo. bob woodward tells this story on carl back in the mid '70s. that reflected much of public opinion at the time. but the wheels of time are turned by the wheels of irony. nixon's old nemesis gave president ford a courage award for his action. history is often argument without cease fire and it will be interesting to hear carl's thoughts 40 years later since he wrote the first rough draft of history as the publisher of the washington post once called journalism. we could have no better ring master. he and his brother were television stars. together, they wrote a big book about then-secretary of state henry kissen jer who naturally showed up at their washington book party. the good doctor walked in and said to the authors, naturally a reporter, "love the title kwtsd. it's worth knowing tonight that dr. kissen jer did not know what he was being recorded in the tapes we will discuss. so his reactions will be intriguing in and of themselves. final note, i want to thank the friends of the first amendn't society for helping make tonight possible. for those who have not toured the museum, let me invite you wac to the news history gallery where the famous water gate door taped up on the night of the burglary and then taken into evidence, now resides in historical splendor. in the museum space next to the watergate door is a video screen that could be a talisman for tonight's panel. on the screen, anderson cooper of cnn is being interviewed by stooempb colbert by comedy central. colbert asked cooper where do you get your opinions from. anderson says i report facts, i'm not an opinion guy. steven colbert shakes his head and waves finger and says i don't like facts. facts can change. and my opinions will never change. this evening, we guarantee you will hear new facts and some of your opinions may change. mr. cowan, the floor is yours. [ applause ] >> oh, you're all here. how nice. we'll start with fact one. fact one, this place is jammed. filled. why? because you're all fascinated with richard nixon. not because he necessarily did great things for the country, but you're fasz nated by the personality. 40 years ago, he resigned. one step ahead of almost certain impeachment. this past weekend washington post, there were a number of reviews. there are a lot of books out now about nixon. bob woodward who knows a lot about nixon, interviewed john dean. i want read you some of the words that woodward writes about nixon. he says that nixon and the watergate ranks as the most consequence shl, self-infliblgting wound of 20th century america. the criminality abuse of power, obsession with real and perceived enemies, rage, self focus, small mindedness, contempt for the law, i go on, a white house full of lies, chaos, distrust, speculation, self protection, maneuver and counter maneuver with a crookedness that makes netflix's "house of cards" look unsophisticated. you get the picture? >> yeah. >> okay. the thing about nixon, however, that for my money, is something that i can't laugh at. when he first took over as president of the united states, the war in vietnam was still raging: at that time, when he took over, 15,979 americans had already been killed. by the time he left office, an additional 27,623 americans also died in the war. what did he think of that war? when he first won the election and before he came president as president elect, he turned to henry kissenger and richard whelan, one of his speech writers and said the following. i've been saying an honorable end to the war. but what the hell does that really mean? there is no way to win this war. but we cannot say that. of course, in fact, we have to seem to say just the opposite. just to keep some kind of bargaining leverage. that, to me, is minimally contemptib contemptible, unethical. but, never the less, a president who knew the war could not be won and felt he had to pursue the worth of one's self. so i start with this question and with doug first. why the obsession about vietnam? what was it about the war that so totally engaged this president. >> well, first off, it's wonderful to be here. i grew up watching marve and cal and cole bernstein who was an undergraduate when i was at ohio state. the key thing for nixon in vietnam was he had an opportunity to get out. it was seen as kennedy and johns johnson's war. nixon had been vice president for dwight eisenhower in 1952. ike ran for president saying i will go to korea. that was essentially ike's secret plan. i'm the supreme allied commander and i'll find a way out of this mess in korea. nixon, on the tapes, admits i could have done that and maybe done the right thing for history chlts but he decides he's not going to give up on vietnam and he's growing oing to increase t bombing. he wants to show the chinese that he could bomb the bajesus out of him. at one point, he tells kissenger let the chinese think i'm mad. we've got to worry about taiwan, japan, american interest in the pacific. also, it will show a toughness as a cold warrior against the soviet union. so you ne gauche yat with the soef yats from a position of strength. this was a mistake to continue to war. you have all sorts of domestic unrest saying how can you ask a man to die for a mistake. the mistake being the continuation of the vietnam war. >> the same ke question to you. why the obsession for nixon? >> i have to admit. i don't want to let my age betray me. but i was on the august tth, 1974, i was minus three years old. around here it is today, i'm sitting next to carl bernstein on the panel. so it's a real treat. i teach 18 and 20-year-olds for richard nixon, who is almost as ancient of the civil war. the 18-year-old barely has living memory of 9/11, after all. i have to always keep this in mind. i think the best way that i answer is to go to the tapes. doug kind of got that started there. but, you know, nixon thought it was important to stay in veet nap. because of nixon's image, do mesically, for his voters. and it was important, whether we agree or not, it was important for our allies. it was important for our allies with the troops in germany, south korea, japan. and i think it was nixon's image at home and it was the image of the u.s. abroad. whether he was right or wrong, that's what the image was. he didn't cut and run. >> but the cut and run is a political phase. and it's used by presidents and others in order to uplift or downgrade. if you know in your heart and in your mind that what you're doing cannot be won, that's my point. carl, what was going on in his head? >> well, first of all, the last thing i want to do is get into richard nixon's head. i think where we are in his head is with the tapes. that's as close as we want to come. the country was obsessed with vietnam. lynn don johnson had abday kated as the president of the united states. we had had chicago, riots in the streets at the democratic convention. so the whole country was in upheaval of a kind that we had never seen. antiwar movement such that we had never seen in this country. so that's the context. >> yeah, but nixon was a smart politician. >> well, now i'm going to go to this. what you hear on the tapes and if you read doug's book, if you read this book that these two jentle men, and i have not read the whole doorstoper, but i'm giving it a pretty good look. and what you see in the nonwater gate tapes, and doug and i were just talking about it, is the same darkness of nixon's mind. it's about nixon, the dog that doesn't bark is what would be right for the american people. you don't hear that. what you do hear is what you just referred to. nixon's fine intelligence. you don't hear that in the watergate. you hear only the darkness. but, here, you see the intelligence, what you just cited about the strategy, the chinese, the russians, you know, a student of history, which he was. a great political analyst, which he was. but then the darkness protrudes and we lose another 27,000. largely because of nixon's vanity, to some extent. >> but you could have gone eerts way. let's go back to 1968, '69. you're absolutely right. the country expressed itself in an anti-war mood. here, in washington, there was a time when the secretary of defense said that he is going to do something with his troops to protect the country. and not to tell the white house about it. in other words, we were in a particularly difficult moment. nixon could have been a hero. you could have gone the other way. >> he could have said what doug was saying. that this is not my war. this is what the democrats did. let me move on from here. >> absolutely. >> and everybody would have cheered. >> but he couldn't do that. >> look what we also know now from another set of tachs. it was the subject of another book. a private citizen is not to -- there is a big law, title 18, section whatever that a citizen is not to interfere with the conduct of the united states in foreign relations sabotages the negotiations. so it's all a continuum. and then nixon gets to the white house, establishes and, again, on the tapes, he says there are things that i have done that are illegal. the same group of people who eventually break into the watergate. you have a criminal presidency. this is what bob was talking about in that review. we've had presidents who have abused power, but this is different. a criminal president of the united states from the beginning to the end. so the term watergate begins in those first days and goes to what we see up here. and there is one great triumph. and we need to say it. there is the opening to china. and there, again, we see nixon's bill yans and how it could have been different. >> but what i see as a war that totally obsessed this politician. how you end the war, how you continue the war, the bombing. all of this in his mind was at a level of obsession. >> he didn't really learn the right lessons from johnson's failures. and he thought he was the smaller guy in the room. in our tapes, he's constantly saying nixon. guts and courage. he figures i can do it all. even if i don't win in vietnam, i'll be able to get china and become this great world leader. he's really a diabolical pragmatist. he's doing what's good for richard nixon. he thinks you have a great knowledge of churchhill and a great knowledge of history. one of the reasons he doesn't burn these tapes is why would you burn the work of a great man. it was like evil on evil, in some ways. when kissenger works with jermd ford, he does much better. when you read the two of them together, they're constantly back stabbing everybody and themselves. and to the point where nixon doesn't believe his own state department. the state department is filled with liberals. and nixon goes on anti-semitic rants. not once does kissen jer say mr. president, maybe you're not quite right about the position. >> i covered him, it seems forever. he comes through in these tapes in the most obama see kwee yous ways. you know, i go wac to the war. to me, that's the heart and soul, the beginning and the end of the presidency, although it began with watergate, i aappreciable dwrat that. he wanted so desperately to beat the north vietnamese. he unlieshed a ferocious air campaign. we have one quote right now which i would like to play if you don't mind. if the tech person could play that now. >> it's an 18.5 minute gap. >> it's only a. everybody would approve of it and then he goes onto say well, i don't know about that. you get an odd sense that he was all there, of course. but not necessarily on all issues. he was bombing north vietnam because of the vietnam war. >> and richard nixon. this is where this book is so terrific. it always comes back to nixon and how he will be viewed. >> well, this is the points i was getting at. how, in fact, was he aware that he was playing a game? was diplomacy a great game? a sport (there are just a few moments, really, it's the days before he goes to china in 1972 where he lets his guard down for a minute. nixon read history. he said we're like the british in the 19th century. the british always played the weaker against the stronger. and that's what we're doing here. and that's why i'm going to china. >> but how, in fact, did that work? what was in his mind at the time? the chinese are not exactly stupid people. the russians maintain a rigorous kind of diplomacy. they, too, are not a stupid people. couldn't they see through nixon? >> nixon will backpack stan in the pakistan-indo war. so by backing pakistan and dissing india. and he says the ugliest things on the tape about the people of india. but he's telling the chinese, we could be your friends, too. i could beat you up or be friends. in a way, he learned to respect the chinese partially because of how nice they were of him when he went in '72. h continues to dispiez the soviet union. you can't find him saying anything negative about ma orksz. >> could you say the chinese took him to the cleaner sns what was it that they did? when they greeted him at the very beginning, he said time and time again to all of his people, we've got to be -- he used these words -- we've got to be exquisitely careful when we deal with the chinese. they're an exquisitely gifted people. nixon bought into this. he wasn't all that brilliant. at a certain point, the chinese could see through him and the russians could see through him, as well. >> and i mentioned india and pakistan. india is our great ally, the great democracy. and he threw india under the bus, so that showed a lack of diplomatic. nixon saw himself as a master strategist. brilliant is the word, actually. it is a brilliant profile of degall that he wrote. but you've got to come back to basic, moral question of who died. you started the discussion there. you state it to everybody in the room. and you say but nonetheless, we're going to use our troops and a couple hundred thousand yellow people, which is also in the tapes. and we are going to sacrifice them for a grand strategy. that goes to the question of what was in his mind. >> which you see over and over on the fames, nixon was surprised at how quickly the ice was thawing. they'll had the accelerator and the break. >> and, of course, nixon had china in mind as a kind of tool, a weapon, that he would use against the russians. and you're absolutely right. in his mind, china was an instrument. russia was the essential enemy. and that was the dwie you had to deal with. for nixon to be the first american president to visit on a summer level, it's a big deal. >> nixon's impetus was partly that he was going to have the greatest mem wors of any president of the united states. and he would be able to draw, verbatim, from these meetings in which we would see this brilliance. it did ultimately end up in his resignation. and he began to think about resignation way before he actually acted on resignation. he worry ied. >> the moscow summit which was in may of 1972. he had just been in china in february of 1972. he was a heck of a pr guy for himself. they were attacking ferociously in north veet that. and the question was are we going to have the summit? will the russians pull out of the summit? can we continue to bomb in vietnam and have our summit at the same time. if we can't, he was saying it may very well be that we're going to lose the election. that, i think, was never in the cards. never the less, that was in his mind. i'd like us to play another tape now of the way nixon thought about veet. thaukt about the moscow summit. thought about the resignation, if it didn't all work well. so dear mr. technician, could you run that second tape. >> can i ask luke and doug about this? i've looked at this quite a few times and am quite mystified as to this playing with ether that nixon is doing here. there's about as much chance that he is going to abdicate the presiden presidency. >> but this is the point about nixon that is so fascinating. i think it's one of the reasons that rooms fill up when people want to talk about nixon. why there is so many books coming out now about nixon. you would think 40 years ago, the guy left. he was a disdwras. a humiliation of the country. the heck with him, no. you're always drawn to a negative character. what i'm trying to get at here, this last sequence that we ran has a lot of pure nixon. you're playing this against that. and i.'s all connected to the next policy. i'll take this democrat from texas and turn him into a republican. and you have the sense of a man operating on many different levels with himself manipulating the game of politics and diplomacy. >> i want to go out and ask what he's really saying here. what is this thing about abdicating. >> it seems kind of silly. was he really serious about resigning? it's kind of like president obama resigning over health care. in hindsight, we say he couldn't have been serious. i think this is partly why we're still fascinating by nixon 40 years later. we have the top third and the bottom quarter and we put presidents in boxes sometimes. i think which box do you put richard nixon in. who else is in that bloxz? >> nobody. you have to remember he rides the national consciousness. >> but i'm wondering if he deserved all of that striding and emulation and admiration. >> it's not just emulation. if you go back to looking at herb block's cartoons of nixon of the dark shadows. this is a man about whom the country was passionately divided. it was passionately divided when he made the checkered speech during the eisenhower years. it was passionately divided when he lost the presidency to kennedy. he came back and won the presidency. it was passionately divided over the war. and then over water gate. no one in history has caused this kind of visceral reaction. and that's part of the fascination. >> i was going to say, i get asked a lot of times, what makes a human being listen to richard nixon for ten years now. we have it -- >> especially at your age. there are a lot of other things to do. >> we have a baby now and probably has heard nixon's voice and thinks he's a grandfather or something. but i think, though, there are a lot of questions -- i don't have the answers to, even after ten years. >> none of us. and i think is richard nixon really this interesting to us 40 years later? or is it just because he's the only one who left us all of these recordings. >> now, he did say that 1972 is the year that a great book ought to be written about 1972. and you guys have laid out the spade work. water gate was a wac waterer story but they just kept building and building and building. nixon survived, won the lan slide and he thought that water gate was a back burner story and, of course, he didn't. he did a lot of other things. his ego was high. i called him a diabolical pragmatist. and then add paranoia to that. he did the southern alignment. he's paranoid about mcgovern in '72. he was breaking in to larry o'brian in '72. he's par noied. his sense of paranoia and politics is not good. he's par noied about the press. >> let's look at the people you just talked about. you know, at first, we thought we wrote in october of '72, that the water gate break-in was part of a massive campaign of political espionage and sabotage to undermine the democrats. the candidates was sabotaged. tried to undercut ted kennedy as a figure of any kind of respect through smearing and investigations and one thing and another. and then all of these dirty tricks out on the campaign trail. and then you find out it's after the water gate hearings. not only was it a campaign to undermine the very basis of doe mock ra sill, which are free elections. but, from the beginning, it was to undermine the anti-war movement through illegal means. to undermine reporting. to undermine the democrats and his political entities through the use of the ir which we also hear on the tapes. and then the break in at watergate and then to undermine the very system of justice through the cover up. the cover up is worse than the crime? not a chance. the crime is on going. and then, the last war, these five wars of water gate. and we wrote, bob and i wrote on the 40 thd anniversary of the break-in, a piece for the post. and afterwards, to a new addition of all of the president's men. it's about how what we know now is so much worse. back to your diabolical notion here. it's astonishing what we know. >> can i just add one quick thing? i think, also, he thought it was blood sport. and you slaughtered your enemy. that's what life in the arena was like. you thought the kennedys manipulated himts in 1964. that election he should have won. but they out-foxed him. and jay edgar hoover was doing all sorts of nefarious things. and, yet, was this respected figure in washington. so nixon thought that was kind of part in parcel about the big boys playing and i'm going to be a big boy, too. and those guys didn't go and take on the press of the united states and try to destroy them. i write about presidents for a living. the good ones know how to work with the press, rose velt, f.d.r., ronald reagan. nixon's war in the press with agnew was insane for somebody who wants to stay in there. but he was going to war with them. he was going to be crumbled bec the pace. >> this might sound surprising. one of the things you hear over and over is it goes back to his case. the liberals, jews, out to get me because of the case. nixon, indeed, was pill oried for his whole career for being a smear agent and terrible liar, and manufacturing evidence. because of the hist case. nixon knew he was right about this. and it's very interesting, you see how he's animated by that. and we didn't know that. of course, we now have what's called the winona transcript of the soviets. in which it's pretty definitive. >> that's an interesting point, carl. >> i would like to go back to 1972 for a minute. nixon was very high in what he had accomplished in '72. because right toward the end of the year, he had, as doug was saying, this stunning political victory. but right after the stunning political victory, he had to go ahead and launch a murderous bombing campaign against north vietnam, in order to take a negotiation -- this is my point again about the total lack of ethics here -- he had to take -- you bomb north vietnam in order to get an agreement, which he did get, and was signed on january 23rd of the following year in '73. in 1971, in april, richard nixon told henry kissinger who was negotiating with the north vietnamese in paris, he said, look, up to this point, the key part of the negotiation was that we would pull out when we had a cease-fire, and the north vietnamese pull out. >> but i have a feeling that's not working fairly well. so we have to try something different. and what they did was to lay out before the north vietnamese in paris the following idea. we'll have a cease-fire, and we, the americans, will pull out. and he never added the next sentence. that the north vietnamese had to pull out. so the north vietnamese, very smart, pocketed that. and they wanted in a way, they could absorb the bombing. but they wanted to destroy this guy, in the way they destroyed lyndon johnson. what's fascinating to me, time and time again, is an underestimation on the part of the brilliant richard nixon and the brilliant henry kissinger, about something as fundamental as vietnamese nationalism, which propelled this country to take on the united states of america, and to beat it. the united states has lost in its entire glorious history one war, and that was the war in vietnam. and what i'm just advancing as a thought here, and really leaning on you guys for the expertise, but is it entirely possible that we're giving too much credit to nixon and to kissinger, for what it is that they did in foreign policy? who gets the credit? everybody is giving credit. >> i haven't heard a lot of credit up here. >> but i think you're totally wrong. totally wrong. >> richard nixon is praised for his foreign policy. >> here, i think you might have succumbed to too much revisionism. >> too much what? >> too much revisionism. >> i don't even know how to spell the word. i think you got that entirely wrong. >> i think that there is a lot made about the opening to china. but the idea of richard nixon being a foreign policy, i think has been -- >> i don't know where you've been the last 40 years. i mean, that's been the book line, that's been the narrative. >> there have been many, many authors say it. how many people here thought richard nixon was a foreign policy genius? >> that's why they're here. >> look, henry kissinger wrote a lot of books and been professing notes that he wrote. and he's working very hard to argue that i was the genius. he won a nobel peace prize for vietnam. and he's been working, after he left 40 years ago, moved back to the east, to new jersey, and spent time in new york, and not just the prost interviews, but trying to write books to get back in the game to the point that bill clinton started saying, well, i'm going to talk to nixon about russia. >> exactly. >> so there were people who were starting -- he was starting a rehabilitation when he died. and when he died, all the presidents came to the grave. and he was able to rehabilitate himself to a degree. >> yes, he did. >> in the last years of his life. >> i also want to point out, because we have a wonderful tape which i would like you to listen to about the great mind of foreign affairs and domestic policy. and i'll give you a book on this one day, carl. this is richard nixon talking to haldeman about girls cursing. and i'd like to play that tape now. [ inaudible ] . >> never tape yourself. >> yeah. and maybe we didn't make clear, but i think all of you know that nixon had a voice activated, that yes, fdr did a little taping, and kennedy controlled the exxon meetings and cuban missile crisis, and johnson did some taping. nixon started bugging everything. there were microphones picking up all these materials. you get these really awkward, almost crazy moments that you have to scratch your head about. there's something oddly -- and i don't want to be ever quoted on saying, but at times, nixon -- >> you don't want to be quoted? >> saying it as a joke. i guess the word was, aware, talking about cursing and all this. pat and richard nixon could be as old-fashioned square kind of thinking, and you're getting that there. i don't think he was putting them on. really? girls do swear. and it shows just the disconnect in a way that he had. but it was old-fashioned. >> we're going to have some questions from you all, if you wish to ask questions. and i note there's a microphone here. and there's one over here. if you want to ask a question, please come to the microphone and identify yourself. and if you decide that this is an opportunity for a speech, i'll probably cut you off. but identify yourself, and here are the two microphones. if you would like to speak, please. >> carl, vigil.com. i don't make a speech. i'll try to keep it on point. the kennedy assassination aspect of the watergate tapes, when richard nixon sent h.r. haldeman over to the cia to meet richard helms and try to pressure the cia into getting the fbi to shut down its investigation of watergate, he said, tell helms if they don't shut down their investigation, it will blow the whole bay of pigs thing. haldeman wrote that he learned whenever richard nixon said the bay of pigs thing, he meant the kennedy assassination. and there were named high-level people as involved. nixon on the watergate tape says, hunt, you pull that scab, there's a lot of things. he knows too much. we know hunt was involved. so -- >> what are you trying to ask? >> i'm trying to ask, we've got trivia of the nixon tapes, but in the index of the book there's no reference to the bay of pigs. that was probably the most important thing nixon ever said in those tapes was telling the cia the whole bay of pigs thing will be blown if they don't shut down watergate. my question, is it time that we released all the cia records concerning the kennedy assassination? and mr. bernstein, you wrote in the last days what george h.w. bush's reaction was when he heard that of the transcripts would be released. i wonder if you could recount that quotation, please. >> i don't remember. i wrote a piece in the "los angeles times" about -- remind me. >> apparently pointed to his laundering money through mexico, to the burglars. >> sir, sir,
carjacking and high-speed chase ends with gunfire. anne makovec joins us live from san francisco's financial district. >> reporter: it was a wild morning here downtown san francisco. you can see the stolen vehicle here still behind me at the insection of battery and california. several streets blocked off at this hour. the height of the drama this morning came at 6 a.m. if it would have happened an hour later things could have ended much worse. a carjacking suspect dead, good samaritan injured, windows broken and full investigation under way in san francisco's busy financial district. it all started in richmond when a woman was carjacked in her driveway for this white escalate. >> when the woman's husband came out to go to her assistance, she is fine, not taken. >> reporter: but the chase was on starting at about 5 a.m. officers followed the suv across the richmond/san rafael bridge into marin county and then the golden gate bridge into san francisco. as it hit city streets they lost it. but witnesses saw it going down battery the wrong way. >> slammed into the vehicles at california and battery, and laid there for a little bit, then we heard a gunshot. >> reporter: police say after this three-car accident, people passing by on the sidewalk tried to help the suspect. but he shot at them. one man was hit. >> we don't know that the good samaritan was actually shot or hit by a bullet. it just some sort of a fragment hit him in the chest. >> reporter: once officers arrived on scene, they tried to get the suspect to surrender his gun and they say he turned it on them. >> several officers fired striking the suspect and he died at the scene. >> reporter: one of those bullets went through a window of a nearby high-rise where a man was sitting in his office on the 11th floor. he was not hit. another window of an unoccupied building also hit. all morning, people tried to navigate around the blocked-off mess. >> it's very surprising. i didn't know if it was terrorism, political demonstrations, i was just confused on how i can get to work. >> reporter: the investigation into what did happen here continues. but this roadway battery should be open by the evening commute which is good news because it is a very popular roadway. the good samaritan, by the way, that was hit by a fragment is going to be okay. just a superficial wound. live in san francisco, anne makevoc, kpix 5. >> thank you. we have the radio dispatch tapes from the chase. take a listen to the conversations as the police try to catch up with that suspects. >> this update from chp on that carjacking, 221 vehicle, suspect aboard, hispanic male is a 221. they are now at the toll plaza. we'll update for richmond northern on it. [ sirens ] >> crossing california, traffic still moderate. >> 19 rollover at battery/california. >> california and battery. >> california and battery, blue on blue. >> units on scene. we have to break out his back window here so we can see some into it. >> we need you to shut down battery and pine, no civilian traffic. >> shut down battery, pine, no civilian traffic, no foot traffic. >> if you would like to see more video and interviews from the this crash head to our website, kpix.com. a big legal battle over a closed public beach has surfers very happy to finally hit the waves. kpix 5 reporter mark sayre has more on that story. >> reporter: just one day after a big legal victory surfers wasted no time taking advantage of martins beach. martins beach used to be open to the public until it was purchased by a silicon valley billionaire in 2008. that is when it was closed to public access. but a san mateo county superior court judge ruled the new owner violated california coastal commission regulations in closing the beach and ordered public access restored. >> how significant a day is this for you? >> very important day. the right to access the california coast is important for all californians and one person shouldn't have the right to just unilaterally block access. the beach belongs to all of us. i'm happy to come down and surf today. >> it's enormous to have the courts once again reaffirm the public's right to go to the beach in california. it's sad that this has to happen occasionally because of, um, private property owners blocking off beaches. but it's always gratifying when the court reestablishes the fundamental principles of the coastal act. >> reporter: attorneys for owner vinod khosla argued that the coastal commission's regulations didn't apply because the land was private before california was even a state. but the judge apparently did not buy those arguments to the delight of surfers and advocates of an open coastline everywhere. reporting in san mateo county, i'm mark sayre, kpix 5. new at noon attorney general holder will announce today that he is resigning. he is head of the justice department for 6 years. he will stay in his post until his successor is confirmed. within the last hour golden gate bridge district workers announced a strike tomorrow. the union representing about 450 ferry captains and other employees asking for better wages and health care benefits. workers have been without a contract since july 1. golden gate ferry carried more than 7,000 commuters on weekdays here to san francisco. a wet commute for drivers across the bay area this morning. despite the conditions, we spotted many cars whizzing by on the slick roads at the toll plaza. drivers had to slow down when traffic picked up later in the morning. two men were rescued yesterday afternoon after being trapped in high waves off san francisco's ocean beach. after getting caught up in rip currents, one swimmer drifted onshore and was not breathing. the second was rescued a short time later. both are now hospitalized. a hazmat situation in mountain view is now a death investigation. last night, dozens of people in two apartment buildings on california street were told to evacuate due to a foul odor. police have confirmed that the odor was not natural gas. firefighters found two bodies during a sweep of one of the buildings. investigators are not sure how they died. massive "king" fire has now become the second most expensive blaze in the state this year. the "king" fire has caused more than $53 million damage since it began two -- has cost more than $53 million damage since it began two weeks ago. more than 7600 firefighters are still battling the "king" fire which has destroyed a dozen homes and threatened another 1200. the blaze is nearly 40% contained. three earthquakes shaking the bay area this morning according to the usgs. a magnitude 2.3 hit american canyon around 12:40 this morning. that's close to where the big earthquake struck last month. then around 1:20, two magnitude 2.4 earthquakes hit south of union city. no reports of injuries or damage. this weekend, up in the napa valley, you can enjoy a little food, wine and a lot of music and support the rebuilding effort at the same time. the napa rocks four-day fundraiser kicks off today with a multicourse dinner. all the money raised will help people get back on track after last month's earthquake. a big payout today for the woman punched by a chp officer on the side of a southern california freeway. marlene pinnock was awarded a $1.5 million settlement from the chp. last july, this video emerged of officer daniel andrew repeatedly punching her on the 10 freeway in los angeles. the "associated press" reports andrew will resign but civil rights activists are calling for him to be criminally prosecuted. >> he just pulled me brutally threw me down started beating me banging me trying to kill me, trying to beat me to death, take my life away for no reason. i did nothing to him. >> chp has forwarded the results of its investigation to l.a. county prosecutors. so far no charges have been filed. someone in the bay area is holding a powerball ticket up to $225 million. the ticket purchased at a market in san mateo. so far the winner hasn't stepped forward but we'll find out who it is soon because lottery officials are required by law to identify publicly the winners and their home cities. the owners of key market are wondering which customer got that lucky ticket. >> getting a lot of people that -- they buy their tickets constantly from us and all our employees also. and so far, we don't know who it is. none of our employees bought the winning ticket but hopefully it's one of our good local customers. we're so excited who won it. >> the market lucky, too. they are going to get a million dollars just for selling that winning lottery ticket. representative huffman of san rafael made an appearance on the colbert report this week. how the democrat held his own on comedy central. >> and new technology will change the way we watch live music. how some venues are creating a phone-free zone coming up. >> hi, i'm meteorologist lawrence karnow in the kpix 5 weather center. what a storm around the bay area today. showers continuing even a chance of some thunderstorms. we'll talk about that coming up. an is brave well, it is a big-time downer day on wall street! take a look at the numbers. upper right-hand corner, the dow down 230-plus points at this hour. not fun. well, not every politician is brave enough to appear on the colbert report a show notorious for making political figures look ridiculous. >> but this week, a bay area lawmaker faced off with comedian and host steven colbert. >> you think you never lost a trial, correct? >> or an election. >> so far. >> have you ever lost in an interview, sir? >> i may lose one yet. we'll see. >> congressman hurricane held his own on the interview segment. he called it fun and watched a few clips of the colbert report to get into the spirit of things. >> he hung in there. >> held his own. >> funny show, too. a new piece of technology is giving venues the power to block cell phones in events. it's hard to go to a concert without snapping cell phone or video but a company called beyonder is making it impossible to snap photos of venues. people would have to put their phones in a case that would lock it in a phone free zone to prevent strangers from snapping photos of you. >> next time you go to your heavy metal concert. >> people can see me in all my chains all dressed up face painted out there like this. >> how was it last week? >> fantastic. had a great storm this morning. what a nice start to the rainy season. we're not done yet. we could see a few more showers in fact this could get real interesting. there are some thunderstorms off the coastline. >> the cold front brought heavy rain to the area messing up traffic. but at the coastline we have lightning beginning to show up out there and we have some unstable air that's going to be moving overhead. now, for the most part, it's dry in the bay area but you see just off the coastline, we have had a couple of lightning strikes there. and the core of the low is expected to pass over the bay area heading into tomorrow. main cold front making its way over to the central valley and also into the sierra nevada. they are now picking up some rainfall. we are in full shower mode now but boy, impressive totals overnight. we had half moon bay over .75" of rain, over half inch in san francisco, half inch in alameda. over a third in san jose. and almost a third of an inch of rain in santa rosa so a very nice soaker. very impressive for this time of year. all right, into the afternoon, we'll see some sun and clouds, a slight chance of a few scattered showers and an isolated thunderstorm. and still a slight chance overnight tonight and into tomorrow. but for the weekend we are looking good. should be mostly sunny and dry. around the state if you are traveling be prepared maybe wet at times. you will see 70s and 80s into the central valley. an occasional shower into early tomorrow morning. and then by the afternoon, the core of the low is going to move overhead and that could spark a couple of thunderstorms. temperatures today will be cooler, 60s and some 70s outside. your sunset time for tonight 7:02. sunrise tomorrow 7:01. and so we'll keep things a little unsettled tomorrow. nothing like we had this morning. but a chance of an isolated shower or a thunderstorm. then for the weekend high pressure builds in overhead. these temperatures moving back into the 70s and 80s. maybe mid-80s next week but what a storm it was this morning. what a messy commute for drivers. but looking better tonight. >> we needed it. >> we did. still ahead, it started as a simple soccer club and then it just kept growing. how our jefferson award winner is combining sports with the sense of community. >> and we want to invite all you pet lovers send us your questions about their health and well-being. email pets@kpix.com or on our facebook page, just search kpix/cbs, and we'll have our pet expert give you an answer every friday right here at noon. we'll be right back. i'm a doctor of internal medicine with something terrible to admit. i treated thousands of patients, risked their lives, while high on prescription drugs. i was an addict. i'm recovered now, but an estimated 500,000 medical professionals are still out there, abusing drugs or alcohol. police, airline pilots, bus drivers... they're randomly tested for drugs and alcohol... but not us doctors. you can change that: vote yes on proposition 46. your lives are in our hands. and sneaking in without lifemoving the bed.sounds. and sneaking in without lifemoving the bed.sounds. afghan-american community oe soccer field. sharon chin introduces us to this week's jefferson award wi nats clip 3532 community, friend ship, sportsmanship what a concord man brings to the afghan- american community on the soccer field. sharon chin introduces us to this week's jefferson award winner. >> there you go. yeah. >> reporter: on sunday afternoon, there is no place hafiz hasani would rather be than at soccer practice at ygnacio valley park in concord. >> i have been involved in soccer and also involved with our community so that's kind of my life. >> reporter: before he came to the bay area in 1994, he played on the all-star soccer team for kabul university in afghanistan. he wanted concord area kids to win sportsmanship and team work as he did so he cofounded the aria sportsman club in concord six years ago. >> it was to take the kids and be involved in sports to get away from the other things like drugs. >> reporter: today the club has 200 members on 17 teams and the ages range from under 4 to over 35. 17-year-old ali hasani has played soccer with the aria sports club since it started. he wants to make it all the way to afghanistan's national team just like some of the club's volunteer coaches. >> it was basically like, um, a second family. me, i grew up without like, um, a father so this is basically everything for me. >> reporter: the club means everything to hafiz. his official title is tournament director and vice president. but he does much more. he fills in as coach, drives carpools, pays equipment and registration costs for those who can't afford them. 14-year-old hannah nuri says hafiz is like everyone's favorite uncle. >> he's kind. he's generous. he always puts himself behind everyone. he puts everyone in front of him. he cares about everyone. >> reporter: over the years, aria players young and old have won a number of regional championships. but hafiz feels they have already won because they have gained a sense of community just like he remembers. >> i become like 10 years younger every sunday when i come here. >> reporter: so for his tireless commitment to afghan- american sports in the east bay, this week's jefferson award in the bay area goes to hafiz hasani. sharon chin, kpix 5. >> and a reminder, all our winners are recognized because someone took the time to send us a nomination. so if you would like to share the story of a local hero who has inspired you, now is the time. the selection committee meets next week. just head over to kpix.com/hero. that generates a simple email form. you also find guidelines for submitting the best possible nomination. check it out. well, the san francisco giants lost to the l.a. dodgers last night. but it's what happened on the kiss cam that had fast on both sides cheering. >> and if you have a consumer problem or question, give our hotline a call, at 888-5-helps- u. volunteers are there right now. we'll be right back. ,, ,, a giants and a dodgers fan sitting side by side at thee cam it's a kiss cam moment like you have never seen. a giants and dodgers fan sitting side by side at the game last night when the kiss cam landed upon them but they decided not to loc lips. instead they poured a beach on each other. 13 bucks a beer at dodger stadium, we assume the loser bought the winner round 2. and the giants lost 9-1. >> why waste the beer? >> i know. not a good idea but cute video. idea of dressing business casual is taking a new level with this suit. a san francisco-based man invented -- [ laughter ] >> suit-cy a onesie and business suit built into one. one quick zip and you are ready to go. >> we need to get lawrence one. >> he already bought 2. all good things must end and for people in the bay area, that means the end of a tribute to one of san francisco's finest. literally. [ indiscernible ] took down his facebook page this week. he was famous when these photos of him on duty were shared online. a popular cbs comedy can now be seen every week night on kbc. with. i got to sit down with stars to talk about their roles on mike and molly. >> it's been such a hit in the bay area. why do you think fans connect so much to the show? >> i think a lot of our stories like i said they try to base them in reality and they -- a lot of times they come from what's happening in the writer's lives or what's happening something they have talked to us but and they translate that real stuff very, very well. >> yeah. our show is a real slice of america. you know, you have older people, you have black people, you have bigger people, you know, you have -- >> a little bit of everybody. >> looks like life on our show. >> yeah. >> mike and molly airs weeknights at 5 p.m. on our sister station kbcw, cw 44/cable 12. >> coming up at 4:00, claims of rampant crime and poor living conditions. now the city of oakland is suing members of an apartment complex. that and more at 4:00 right before tonight's big giants- redskins football game kicking off at 5:25. >> it's football. >> football season. suitcy? what do you think? >> get the name right. [ laughter ] >> hope: i'm pregnant... and it's wyatt's. >> wyatt: alison told me you'd be here. [ clears throat ] i'm probably the last person you want to see right now. >> liam: well, that didn't take long. you here to gloat? >> wyatt: uh, to apologize. >> brooke: hey. hi. >> hope: hey. >> brooke: i brought some coffee and muffins. you know, i just thought we'd better eat something. we're gonna be packing all day.
>> witness accounts were true. >> he was shot at least six times. >> following a night of violent protests. national guard is moving in. looting, carrying guns. a major battle is waging in iraq. >> air strikes are helping iraqi and kurdish troops re claim the damn. >> a ceasefire extended for another 24 hours. >> gaza needs hospitals, schools, houses - not rockets, tunnels and conflict. >> in india more than 300 villages are flooded. >> it's the same fore every year, floods, land slides taking the lives of hundreds. we begin in the streets of ferguson, missouri, governor jay nixon lifted a curfew, hoping it would help to restore peace after nights of protests following the shooting death of moun by a white policeman -- michael brown by a white policeman. permits of the missouri national guard -- elements of the missouri national guard and captain ron johnson said that while peaceful protests will be allowed... >>..we will not allow vandals, criminal elements to impact the safety and security of the community. an independent autopsy requests by the family explained part of what happened the day of the shooting. >> six bullets struck, and two may have re-entered. they weren't science of a struggle. >> in washington president obama met with attorney general eric holder and called on protesters to be calm. >> giving in to that anger by looting or playing guns or attacking the police only serves to raise tensions and stir chaos. >> it undermines rather than advancing justice. for more on crowd control and keeping violence off the streets, i'm joined by a former los angeles police chief, and is a member of the los angeles city council, serving the eighth district. a pleasure to have you with us. we have seen several nights of violence. governor nixon lifted the curfew, bringing in the national guard. are they wise moves under the circumstances? >> i think it will play out to see how it's addressed and how people will accept them. i sense that there has been so many dramatic changes from an argument or concern about the mebbinganisation of policing to a curfew, the curfew is gone, now the national guard. there has to be at some point consistency in how the city will address the issues. >> mechanizing, militarizing, we see a lot of police doing that, for having a big overwhelming response to the protest. armoured vehicles. were critics correct when they suggested that that response inflamed the situation? >> depends on how you use the equipment. it's not a danger, it's how it's moved. often what you see in using the equipment, you loaded offscene and bring it in when necessary. i think that, you know, you can't criticise them for wearing vests and helmets, when people are throwing fire bombs and shooting. the issue of what benefit the armoured weapon trucks are, will only play out in the long term, in that you have to use them, and it shouldn't be a show of force for no benefit. it should be to reduce the level of violence. it's something you have to play by ear. there's no set guidelines, again we have to realise that criticising, talking about vehicles is taking the argument and discussion off the main point. the main point is a thorough investigation is to find out was force legally or illegally used against the victim. the other is to use the violators out of the crowd that is peacefully demonstrating. those that want to be peace. and the rest of the community, business people, will not be harmed by their property damaged, that they become injured. those are the focuses. mostly anything else on the periphery until we resolve the points. >> to your first point about the investigation, what about the ways that the ferguson handle that. it took 10 days to hear how many bullets hit michael brown, it took a week to get the shooting officer's name, and it was released at the same time as a tape of a robbery that michael brown allegedly committed. has the department fuelled the flames. >> i think you have to make a judgment as quickly, or thoroughness. the worst thing the department or anyone could do is give information. when we get the autopsy report today, the only thing we know of that we didn't know at the time he deceased is the number of shots. we knew the day he died was due to gunfire. toxicology is the other issue, and the comparison of the autopsy to the physical investigation has not been done. basically the forensic scientist said he cannot make a thorough and a judgment or a final judgment on anything in the preliminary report until he can compare it with the evidence on the scene. it may have caused more question than it answered. the push to get information so quickly just, in my judgment creates another volley of information about dealing with rumours, and things of that nature, which constantly is something which fills the airways, but doesn't solve the problem of getting to the point of whether deadly force was appropriate. >> you were deputy chief during the riots. you were a police officer during the riots in 1965. you see some of the worst in the cities. given what you have heard, about handling volatile crowds. what would your advice be for the officers in ferguson. >> we learnt a great deal in "65. we found out that you could not allow a riot to go unabated, believing it would burn itself out. because it will eventually burn the city. we learn in the rodney king incident, is that there has to be a great deal more attention paid to the tenure of the community prior to an explosive event, and then we learnt after the trial was over, that we have to be more sensitive to deploy resources in contemplation of a potential outburst. those are things you learn, and you find that they are hurtful in the sense of property damage and loss of life. again, there's no specific formula allowing you to know what to do in every incident. you are deploying your resources, putting them in place, and you hope they serve the community. you have to be careful of not overdeploying or using equipment and resources to bluff the public because they quickly sense, as it relates to your activities, whether you are basically going - how you are going to handled something, and you can't have, as i thing you have seen in ferguson, where every day there's a new strategy. the public will sense indecision and they'll act accordingly. >> so many variables and a volatile situation, and a lot of important points. a pleasure to have you with us. >> for more, let's go to the streets of ferguson missouri, and robert ray, our correspondent. good to see you, are you streets tense? what is the mood like tonight? >> it's been peaceful so far, but you can see missouri state highway patrol behind me, down the block protesters have been coming up and down the strot. national guard is up at the command center awaiting to be deployed in case the peaceful protests go awry. thus far, there has been a few arrests. we've had a major journalist arrested earlier today. things are quiet. we are waiting to see what will happen. >> were people surprised the curfew was lifted. has that diffused things. >> people were surprised that the curfew was lifted. we are not sure how plate people will be out here. yesterday this went down. some of the back and forth between the police and protesters went down 8:30, 9 o'clock. >> in the national guard, you said they were there at the command center, and that's where they are supposed to stay. is that still the plan? >> yes. i mean, they are at the command center a few blocks from us. last night some protesters infringed, and i think that's why they were called in. it would have to get nasty for them to come out. there's a lot of police presence. there's an officer behind me. the cops have the sticks out, the cops, and a lot of people have these. we are hoping not to use these, the gas masks. a lot of folks were hit bad with it. some of the citizens have gone to army navy stores in case this occurs again. it's difficult to think about the things that could happen, and a volatile situation. robert ray, ferguson, missouri, thank you for joining us. for more on the autopsy, i'm joined by dr carter. a lot of people hoped the autopsy by a good cole eke of yours, dr bader. here is what he showed, that michael brown was running towards or away from plifr darren wilson when the police officer fired. >> it could be consistent with his going forward or going back ward. but they are from the front. if it was shot going forward, he would collapse right away. it's possible. there's a number of different possibilities. >> why is it so difficult to determine what happened in this era of csi. people thing you guys can figure everything out. a lot of witnesses say brown had his arms up in surrender. do we not yet know? >> we don't know that yet. this proves the autopsy by itself does not determine what happened. it will be important to look at all the various statements, seeing photographs, appearance of the body. we do have different services, and bodies can be in moecks when they are injured by gunfire. it will be important to have a look at that victim's body. the scene, the police cruiser, and most important the uniform of the police officer would be important as well. >> and it is important because we have these conflicting stories from witnesses, and we have heard from an alleged friend of officer wilson's. she said that wilson's version was that michael brown had attacked him in his car, and when brown started to walk away officer wilson got out of the car and told him to freeze. then wilson's friend said on the radio that brown did this. >> he just started to come at him full speed and - so he started shooting and he kept coming. he really things he was on something, because he just kept coming. it was unbelievable:. >> do you think the forensics will be able to help us sort out which of the stories is true? >> well, certainly that's the main thrust for going to the autopsy. we can't provide 100% of apes. these will be analysed, and it's difficult when you do a second autopsy, you don't have all the information, the way the body was presented, you don't have the clothing at hand. you are working half blindsided. so as dr baden said, he didn't have the x-rays, all the original information. somehow you have to put both of these out op -- autopsies together. the photographs from the crime scene, clothing from the officer's clothing, and coming up with a scenario to explain the wound and how they could have occurred. >> now the clothing and how close they were, this is what dr baden had to say. >> there's no gup shot residues on the skin surface. so that the muzzle of the gun was one to two feet away. in order to be firm about that, we have to look at the clothing, which we haven't had the opportunity to look at. sometimes the clothing can filter out gunshot residues. >> why is distance such an important factor. well, as we have heard there might have been a gunshot fired off within the vehicle, and also that both the victim and a perpetrator were close enough to have physical contact. if we were in close proximity, we would be looking at evidence of gun powder embedded into the skin of the victim. certainly gunpowder on the uniform of the officer that would tell you that they were, indeed, in close proximity, and looking for evidence of the gun fire within that vehicle. >> the st louis county medical office praxed an autopsy last week, dr michael bayden performed his, and now there'll be a third, scheduled to be performed by medical examiners at the pentagon. would you be surprised if all three didn't produce the same results? >> not at all. you are doing an autopsy on a body already examined, it's not in a fresh condition. you have different people with perhaps different training methods, and they are probably not communicating with one another. each may tell you something a little different. >> according to the reports, the county autopsy showed that michael brown had marijuana in his system. besides, you know marking him as someone who might use drugs, does that serve any purpose, i think, in conventional wisdom saying marijuana would make it less likely for someone to be violent. >> well, a complete autopsy has to have toxicology done. i am sure there'll be someone looking into michael brown's background, character, interactions of the people. it's good to roll out that he does not have strong drugs in his system. that may be looked at for him being aggressive. marijuana is common these days it's good to have the completion of the toxicology aspect. >> so many questions, thank you for helping us clarify what you can. coming up, the u.s. increases air strikes against the islamic state, helping kurdish and iraqi forces retake a critical dam. a form u.s. official says iraq is being advised by the wrong group of people. when you run a business, you can't settle for slow. that's why i always choose the fastest intern. the fastest printer. the 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needs to be done. >> if our mission is not to take out the islamic extremists, threatening and waging war against us, we have a problem. >> joining us from dubai is ali kaderi, the longest continually serving assistant in iraq, an assistant to five u.s. ambassadors, and senior advisor to three commanders. ali, good to have you with us. did you expect the expanded bombing by the u.s., now that it seems the iraqis will be able to form a new government with prime minister haider al-abadi, as opposed to his predecessor, nouri al-maliki. >> it's a good step that the obama administration is recognising what a threat is is to international security. three years after allowing asaad's genocide to continue unabated, really the continues that allowed i.s.i.s. to be created, recognising that it didn't exist three years ago, and after watching for months, entering iraq, seize a third of the territory and gain control over the mosul dam, i'm encouraged that the administration is understanding the threat of iraq and i.s.i.s. and confront it with kurdish allies and others. >> you wrote that haider al-abadi is iraq's last chaps, that sectarian politics is turning iraq into lebanon or b siberia, and the hollowing out of iraq - you don't sound hopeful for haider al-abadi, even if he begins a campaign of national reconciliation. >> right. a concern i had for months and years, is americans under president bush and obama are willing to bet and stake our international security on individuals. leadership is important. the prime minister represents an change, but as i outlined in the new york times peace, the problems go beyond haider al-abadi. if you were to install a wonderful leader like nelson mandela, i'm not sure that he could overcome systematic failures within the iraqi political system because of the entrenched sectarianism and corruption, and the interference of powers like iran, to weaken iraq and keep it upped tehran's control. we had -- under tehran's control. we had two former ambassadors to iraq on the shot. both have been critical of the administration. the president took a break from vacation to meet with the security council about iraq. you wrote that the national security staff sa part of the problem -- staff is part of the problem. most don't speak the language, and you quote a white house staffer that say: you call that inexcusable. >> absolutely, i watched the coverage of the president returning from martha's vineyard and meeting with the president in the roosevelt room in the white house. from the people pictured around the table. not one speaks arabic, not one served in iraq, not a single one of them served in the middle east. i am extremely troubled by the this. having sat in on national security council meetings in the past. i know what issues are discussed. i know how serious the matters can be, and are right now. and frankly it troubles me that the president is getting advice from some well-meaning, very patriotic and hardworking men and women, but none have served in iraq. and that is troubling. >> now, you also ask do iraqis want to live with one another. and ambassador, who has been an advisor to the kurds, talked to us and he seemed to think no, the division between shiites, sunnis and kurds will split up the country and talking about the kurds, he thinks the kurd will move on to have their own independent state. >> i know ambassador galbraith well, he advised the kurds during constitutional negotiations. he's right. again, the rule under saddam hussein from the 19 '70s, '80s, and '90s, left nouri al-maliki with a legacy. this is why i believe, really, we are facing iraq's last chance to hold together as a unitary stake. either iraqi leaders and citizens from all three communities adopt truth, reconciliation, forgiving and forgetting what happened and moving on, or as is likely to be the case, they'll be unable to get over the abuse of the shias and kurds, the sunnis will be unable to forgive the shia abuses over the past 8-9 years, and the kurds will, indeed, decide that they want no part of arab iraq, and will most likely, although not with certainty, most likely will move to either adopt a confederal system, where they have full autonomy, or at the end of it they may just, after a referendum declare independence and move to a separate country. >> the quick final question, you say the sunnis are upset with the u.s., because the u.s. waited to get involved until the yazidi and the kurds were threatened, and you call for more u.s. involvement. >> it's a complicated issue, it's not only the sunnis that are upset. it's the regional allies are upset which the lack of engagement in iraq, and leading a vacuum by iran filled, and now the shia in baghdad led by nouri al-maliki's government, are upset for failing to defend kurdistan, but not baghdad when besieged by i.s.i.s. it's complicated and for that reason, in addition to the fact that the problems are spilling into other neighbours, like lebanon and syria, and kuwait in the future, it's for that reason i believe preserving middle eastern security in syria, that's why we need a middle east tsar in the form of a 5-star general, a modern day dwight eisenhower. it could turn into a region at matter, global oil could be at stake. a pleasure to have you joining us. thank you. >> thank you for having me. for more we are joined from washington d.c. by david cal cullen, an advisor to condoll ease yes rice and pet ray us. he is the author of "out of the mount inns, the coming age of the urban guerilla", we heard from a former u.s. advisor in iraq that says the u.s. must get more engaged in the point of a 5-star general to become a tsar, to protect american interests abroad and here at home from terrorists. i know i argued that western strategy is in disarray. would an american tsar help. >> it couldn't hurt. it won't solve the problem on its own. we have to recognise that assistance the beginning of this summer, the end of may, the entirety of western strategy in what used to be called the war on terrorism, the approach since 9/11, has fallen down around our ears. what we need to do is have a deeper and broader reassessment of what is going on, and what we can do about it. if we get that right, appointing someone becomes a viable option. if we don't, you can appoint the best person in the world and it will not make a difference. >> let's get into the details. the president expanded air strikes against is. it helped curd and mentorses retake the dam. the president said on monday that our involvement is limited. is that enough to get rid of is. which and you others called the greatest global threats. >> it is, and is approaching levels before. it's a pretty serious threat. i think if you look at the way the president has been interpreting the mandate that he's had for the past week or so, since the beginning of air strikes, it's broad and it's doing a lot within the scope of this idea of humanitarian protection. and... >> protection of anyone interest. >> that's a broad brush that could be used for a variety of things. the question is whether he'll feel committed enough and maintain a sustained enough level of interest to do what needs to be done to set back is. which i think would look a lot like kosovo or libya or the beginning of the war in afghanistan, 2001. >> not reinvading or reoccupying iraq, but pretty significant. >> what about mission green. american opinions changed about the u.s. responsibility to respond to u.s. violence in iraq. a pew poll found: president obama was asked about that and he said this. >> our goal is to have effective partners on the ground. if we have effective partners on the ground, mission creep is less likely. >> now, i now you argued that mission creep happened, he's gone further than he said he would. i realise you think he should go further. do you think more, greater u.s. involvement, some democrats are calling for that. i think what the president said is perfectly true. we need to have a viable partner on the ground. the point is that it will take three, four months to get the iraqi and the kuds to a point where they are in a viable state where they can push back is on the ground. in that time there'll be a need for sustained air strikes to hold is back and begin the process of holding them back. it won't be a surgical matter of pilots above a clean landscape. it'll be about specialists on the ground, advisors and trainers, and it's a significant commitment. >> general michael flynn said islamic terrorists groups are met asitiesizing, almost doubling in numbers. some of the groups are talking about combining with is, which arguably about becoming a world power. >> it has brought western strategy unstuck. the eclipse, the fact that it's replaced by the islamic state. the rise of the islamic state itself as a much more capable and more organised state-like entity, but the third is the failure of the arab spring to generate a stable governance change. those three taken together basically created a new situation which there's no precedent for, and if we don't consider very broadly what to do, then the chances are that we'll look back and realise the last 14 years since fch, and all the -- 9/11, and all the lives lost were for nothing. >> i know your concern about the split from ist s and al-qaeda -- is, and al qaeda, and the withdrawal from afghanistan, if not done properly can lead to problems. thank you for joining us. >> now for more stories from around the world. >> we begin in london, where wikipedia founder julian assange said he'll soon leave the ecuadorian embassy, where he has spent the last two years of his listen. he is considering leaving the embassy because the health issues. >> as you can imagine, being detained in various ways in this country without charge for four years and in this embassy for two years, which has no outside area, therefore no sunlight, it is an environment in which any healthy person would find themselves soon enough with certain difficulties. >> julian assange refused to leave the embassy out promises that the u.k. and sweden will not extradite him to the united states, to face questions in connection with chelsea manning's wikipedia disclosure. >> next health officials concerned about ebola, 17 patients with ebola went missing after a quarantine center was attacked. looters sold mat riss and sheets soaked with blood and fluid. the poor neighbourhood is populated with 50,000 people. liberia's health minister called the attack and looting one of the stupidest thing he has seen. >> we end near the border where mon sons caused flooding on a massive scale, killing hundreds, leaving tens of thousands homeless. 200 villages were flooded and thousands of acres of farm land have been washed away. >> 10,000 people were evacuated from shelters. 11 villages were isolated from floods cut off. that is some of what is happening around the world. >> straight ahead. another extension of the ceasefire may not necessarily be a good sign. while the u.s. has no official language, most speak english in public. the languages spoken at home are di., a story -- different story. >> have you read an article and thought it was real, and do you care? facebook does, it has a plan to make sure it doesn't happen again. harmeli aregawi is tracking the top stories on the web. what is trending. >> this is trending. the sci and cyber security experts warn there's not enough safeguards to protect health records. personal data from millions of patients across the u.s. has been stolen. and if you miss the discussion we have check out the social media pages: the end of the 5-day ceasefire expired on monday, not before netters dread to ex -- negotiators agreed to extend it by 24 hours to give more time. it was seen as a sign the two sides might be close to a deal officially both are far apart, with one egyptian official saying there was no progress in the past 24 hours. meanwhile israeli troops demolished the homes of two palestinians expected in the abduction and killing in juan. and sealed up the home of a third. joining us from washington is greg and the digital editor for news and he reported from jerusalem, and is the co-author of this burning land. lessons from the front line of the transformed contact. >> good to have you back on the show. what should we read into the fact that we should only read. both sides are a little exhausted and don't want to fight any more. >> there were reports that a long-deal was closed, crossing under the pallian authority be open. fishing terms be extended. does any of this sound realistic. >> that would be a successful outcome, but it sounds look that would be a stretch. the israelis will show, or binyamin netanyahu, the prime minister, feels that he will have to show that they gained something from the fight. and that would mean demilitarizing hamas, which is probably also unrealistic. but shows something other than making concessions to hamas. i'm not sure why the israelis would be willing to buy into this. >> what would israel get in exchange. if the palestinian authority was in charge of the gaza crossings, if they were taking more authority in gaza as opposed to hamas, do you think that would be appealing to the israelis? >> potentially. part of the israelis, it would be a significant development. to me that's perhaps an important thing that can come out of this, as if the palestinian authority, mahmoud abbas, the fatah, leader in the west bank can re-establish a foothold in gaza. it may be something like controlling the crossing. it may not be a full reintegration. if me can establish the palestinian authority, that would be a significant development, and something appealing to israel in the sense that they are not facing hamas. binyamin netanyahu did tough talking on sunday night br a cabinet meeting. let's listen to that. >> translation: if hamas thinks it can compensate for military defeat with diplomatic gapes, it is smap. if hamas thinks through firing it will cause us to make concessions, it is smap. >> one element of longer termed discussions involves a port in gaza, a hard line said allowing a report is again to opening a duty free store. one of the things that is so disheartening for anyone watching the conflict is if you go back to 2000, the palestinians had an airport in gaza. they were flying their own planes to europe. the fishermen could go 12 miles off the coast. every day there was a rush hour, thousands of gazan men went into israel, they came back in the oo evening. they made an industrial center. factories owned by israel, palestinian workers. to see the two sides trying to negotiate things they had 15 years ago is, i think, very disheartening if you are looking at this in the longer term. >> you argued in your book, looking at it in the broader picture, that in the end clear, decisive victories are for other times, both sides have a stake in keeping the conflict going, rather than negotiating a long-term solution, are you more optimistic now than when you wrote the book. >> not particularly. one of the things that struck us is how in many ways the conflict was getting more difficult to solve, rather than easier. going back to 2000, where some of the practical issues, in terms of palestinian movement and people going across crossing points, airports and the possibility of ports, we have gone backwards to the palestinians trying to win minimal right to import the basic necessities, and not anything that a functioning stayed would need. >> greg, sometimes it's depre depressing to hear the news out of that part of world. let's hope thinks improve. it's a pleasure to have you back on the show. >> time to see what is trending on the web. >> we discussed the health industry and it being susceptible to attacks. >> the criminal elements value the health record because there's so much information in there. it's so rich. they can create a strong identity, false identity. a credit card can be turned off with a call to 1800, i lost my credit card. >> on monday the ian thet call situation became reality. community health systems operating 200 hospitals in 29 states announced chinese hackers stole data from the records of 4.5 million patients. they obtained names, social security, birthday said and telephone numbers. rich information that can be used to open bank accounts and credit cards. fortunately she didn't get clinical histories. so far the investigators determined use. in the meantime, the health network is offering identity protection for those affected. >> coming up, facebook decides that it needs to warn you about articles that are satire. do we need them to baby sit us. is it ruining the joke. how many people speaking other languages at home and in the u.s. which are soaring in popularity and which are dropping. that's in data dive next. >> audiences are intelligent and they know that their needs are not being met by american tv news today. >> entire media culture is driven by something that's very very fast... >> there has been a lack of fact based, in depth, serious journalism, and we fill that void... >> there is a huge opportunity for al jazeera america to change the way people look at news. >> we just don't parachute in on a story...quickly talk to a couple of experts and leave... >> one producer may spend 3 or 4 months, digging into a single story... >> at al jazeera, there are resources to alow us as journalists to go in depth and produce the kind of films... the people that you don't see anywhere else on television. >> we intend to reach out to the people who aren't being heard. >>we wanna see the people who are actually effected by the news of the day... >> it's digging deeper it's asking that second, that third question, finding that person no one spoken to yet... >> you can't tell the stories of the people if you don't get their voices out there, and al jazeera america is doing just that. today's data dive is speaking your language. even though language is not designated america's official language, it's what most of us speak in public. for more than one in five, it's not the primary language at home. 60.6 million in the u.s. speak something else with their families. spanish, including spanish creole is the most dominant. second, indoe europe languages. asian pacific. the number of people speaking languages speaking has tripled from 23.1 million in 1980 to the 60 million plus today. spanish increased the most by 26 million. vietnamese people had the biggest percentage increase growing in number by 26%. slate.com looked at which languages are most dominant in each state. spanish dominant in all but seven. french is tops in four. when english and spanish are taken out of the equation, german becomes the dominant language. in other parts of the county, surprising langer went out. vietnamese is big in texas and nearby states including oklahoma. chinese follows english and spanish. a sign of a changing america. >> coming up, did facebook kill satire by identifying it? most of us have been duped by an online article from a fake news source. we all have interviews from friends telling stories that are not mildly true. if you are like me, you find it to be a mild annoyance. facebook has decided to come to the rescue. it is testing out a satire tag, letting you know which articles are from the fake news sites. a debate has erupted. facebook may save you being fooled, but will that rue jen it fun -- ruin the fun of news sati satire. jacob ward joins us. "the washington post" was duped by a fake news site, reporting that sarah palin was joining al jazeera, and a chinese paper reported that kim jong un was voted the world's sexiest man. people are fooled by fake news stories. do we need facebook to warn us? >> i was fooled by a few seconds by the sarah palin thing. i could have used a tag saying no, dummy, this is not happening. the truth is this feels to me like an engineer's few of the world. facebook is trying to sort out and categorise stuff. that you'll be aticketed to it. you'll see through an engineer's mind-set. this is a helpful label you can imagine. we need to make sure people understand. there'll be a sign that points to me. it's the kind of thing, it's a super orderly thinking. that is what a lot of people feel is a lot of fun. >> people post things on facebook. you look at the headlines, and people believe some things that are not true. it could lead to real issues when the stories are substantive. >> well, that's right. it really is a reflection on how we are consuming media. the people who owned the means of distribution were the only qualified to send a message out. it was a one-way producer and consumer of the news. it's all social media fuelled. they are standing in a river. the way that people are beginning to share news in this viral way that everyone who produces news hopes for - that creates - you become a pathogen when you put out something fake. you look at sites, they issued a report that they are 80% of people who were sharing the headline, had not read the article. many publishing articles are based on the idea that people skim it and share it. so you are right, fake information can get out there really fast if it looks just real enough. >> as you were saying, we are bombarded by so much of it, who has time to check everything, other than news organizations that should be checking these things. we see surveys that show a lot more people, 128 million in the recent numbers we looked at checked facebook. that's a lot more than read a newspaper. is facebook gig us a public service by warning us what might be satire, and what is not? >> if you think of it from the perspective of a publisher like the onion. you imagine putting yourself in their shoes. it's hard to put yourself in the shoes of something like facebook. you mention it being a public service. when you talk about a media outlet that reaches 3 billion people, tiny stuff means a great deal. people worry about load time on the pages, images. when they tweak the algorithm so that the images pop up faster, they get millions tuning in, sticking with them than they would otherwise. a little thing like this feels very, very important. >> that's a lot of money for them. if we can get more clicking. >> one argument against this is it ruins the joke. if something is satire. personally i don't get the argument. satire has been around. people have enjoyed satirical books and movies, they knew they were satire. a lot of us - people may end up watching the show, and watch steven colbert knowing it's satire. >> it's true. >> people would say that when you try to precategorise a form of expression, it takes the edge off of that night. there's sort of a quality to it. this is not a funny conversation you and i are having. it's bloodless. there's something - there's just something about it that trying to precategorise and mediate it for an audience has a humorous quality. in a way it saps the ver vasiveness and unpredictability. >> who knows if it will save me getting emails. i would be happy to have them. >> that's right. >> good to see you. >> that's all for now. the conversation continues on the website. you can find us on witter at aj consider this, and follow me on twitter. see you next time. this is al jazeera america, i'm randall pinkston in for john seigenthaler. you are looking at live pictures from ferguson, missouri, a midnight curfew has been listed. in just the last few minutes police began to blare sirens and lining up.
sandra bernhard. my conversation with the outspoken comedian it is wednesday morning in jerusalem. the day begins with the ancient city on edge, following the deadliest attack in the city. it happened in an ultimata orthodox synagogue. two palestinians armed with axes, knives and a gun killed five, including a police officer. nick schifrin has the latest. >> reporter: tonight in jerusalem, a prayer for departed souls. 3,000 people, all of them men, mourned an attack they feared could trigger a cycle of violence impossible to stop. they carried the bodies of jewish worshippers through the streets, towards a synagogue that a few hours before was the scene of a shoot-out. police fired multiple shots. inside signs of a massacre, pools of blood where victims were stabbed or shot. a ritual object for observant jews, once worn, an atora once held by a victim. this was not just any attack. it was on a place in a usually quiet community, committed by two cousins yielding butcher knives and a gun. the two attackers went into the synagogue, the doors behinds there. it was designed to inflict as much damage as possible. it was during the morning prayer, more than 30 people were inside. >> we wake up every day and open the news. there's terrorism. it's a war zone in israel. >> more than a kek aid ago this -- decade ago this man moved back to israel. during the attack he took this photo of a victim who was stabbed. >> this is an ultra orthodox neighbourhood. one resident wails a prayer asking god to protect israel. others chant calls for revenge. police blame the attack on palestinian leadership. >> we see incitement by the palestinian authority and media. it's been going on for weeks. it's something that is driving and giving those terrorists a wake-up call to carry out terrorist attacks. >> at the same time, five miles away in a palestinian neighbourhood, police charge protesters. israeli officials say the attackers lived here. they flooded the neighbourhood, and raided one attackers home. >> his cousin picks through a ransacked bedroom. officials bulldozed the house. his uncle said the violence began when others restricted young men praying at the al-aqsa. >> we are asking them to take their hands off the al-aqsa. >> every day they raid neighbourhoods and beat us. >> reporter: and every day there's death and grief. last night a members pflp, the same group that said its members carried out today's attack. last night they filled his grave with dirt. tonight jewish mourners filled the graves of today's victims with dirt. last night palestinians prayed. tonight jewish mourners prayed in their cemetery. the fear is these days will become common. >> and since the synagogue attacked, there has been six other attacks around jerusalem, and the outlined west bank. the last few weeks have been tense, but dispute that, that number, six, is a high number, and that's an indication that the violence will increase. >> the president, the palestinian authority, mahmoud abbas, condemned the attack, and the israeli prime minister binyamin netanyahu responded and spoke earlier today. tell us - talk about the tough words he had for palestinian leaders? >> yes, he said that he did acknowledge that mahmoud abbas condemned the attack, but said it was not enough. he was responding to a question about how his own security service said that mahmoud abbas was not inciting violence, even though it was consistently said that he was. that goes to what is the source of the violence. the israeli leadership believes the palestinian leadership is inciting this and talking about the al-aqsa, known as the temple nowed to jews -- mount to jews. the holiest site. israelis, police, have been restricting muslims from praying there by age. it was eliminated on friday, the restrictions. there's no trust among the palestinians in east jerusalem at those restrictions, and they'll stay away. there's no trust that right wingers will be allowed into the of course mo. that happened a lot more, fuelling the fire. there has been a lot of lone wolf attacks. people citing the restrictions, but the israeli prime minister liking to blame the palestinian leadership. >> binyamin netanyahu is threatening quick action. they've been ordered to tear down the assailant's homes. what else can israel do. it's a crackdown on the families of these suspects. so you see their homes destroyed. there's a bill passing through the israeli parliament that would send rock throwers to prison and fine their parents, and expands what police can do not only to people protesting, but to extended families. the violence spread whi the police tried to crack down harder and while the parliament tried to expand laws. there's a question of whether you can really stop this violence without ultimately a political solution. it's difficult, if not impossible to stop lone wolf attacks. that's the majority of what we are seeing. >> we have seen violence between palestinians over the past year. what sets this apart? >> it's the momentum. israeli and palestinians had tensions longer than i have been alive. this is part of app historic trend. what is happening in the last month is a momentum. you get palestinian grievances like the gaza war, like the occupation and increased settlements in east jerusalem, and you add to that the al-aqsa mosque. the israeli police shut down the mosque for a day, the first time in more than a decade. we are still reeling from that. you'll hear palestinian leadership condemning and urging calm. at the end of the day it's difficult to stop a cycle of violence when a lot of the attacks are lone wolf and are taken in revenge. police tell me there's no way to stop a palestinian who is angry. there's little chance for israeli authorities to stop settler action. that cycle will continue. that is why we are seeing an increase, that is why it's different from the last few years. >> nick schifrin in jerusalem. i spoke with the u.s. editor for the israeli newspaper. listen to what he said about the attack and the cycle of violence engulfing the middle east. i asked what happened at the synagogue and how defining it may be. >> i don't know if it will be a game changer. it looks different to before. the images that we saw resonate between the israeli psyche, the jewish psyche, involuntarily. this was, right now, we are dealing with the shock of this attack, but i'm concerned that tomorrow will deal with the anger that it will no doubt park spark among many israelis. >> you wrote a piece for herets about this. the title was "my fading hopes for a happy ending." this is a powerful piece. talk about it if you would. >> i think we've been on a slippery slope, especially since april when the peace collapsed. i don't think we are heading in the right directions. both sides are led by leaderships that don't seem to be able to take the steps needed to get closer to each other. the two sides believe the worst, and there's enough extremists on both sides fanning the flames, and we are heading - you know, we are going from bad to worse. after this, last summer's operations, many people in israel would used to be supporters of peace are no longer believers in the possibility of peace, and no longer believers that the palestinians are partners, or that israel is capable of making the steps necessary. it's a depressing situation. and the incident approves that things are getting worse and worse. one can't see what will happen that will make it better. given the fact that the united states administration doesn't seem to be enthusiastic to intervene in the process. >> you lost confidence in both leaders to fix this. >> if one judges by the performance in the past few years, one can reach the conclusion that they are either not interested or capable of reaching out to each other, treating each other with respect. if you hear what they say about each other. i don't think it leaves room for optimism. even if you take into account that politicians are civil by nature. >> these rabies, does it make a difference when you talk about u.s. involvement. is there more of a chance that they may be more involved as a result of attacks. >> it resonates more in the united states. it increases sympathy for israel. the fbi is launching an investigation, which it rarely does. but i don't think it matters much. i think the united states has its eyes set on the iranian deal. this is - that is a real game changer. perhaps when, you know, once we are able to judge the fall out, perhaps we'll talk about new opportunities, all they want is peace and quiet. that's what the secretary of state john kerry, when he talked to binyamin netanyahu - both - i don't think they are interested in war. it's possible there's no possibility of achieving war because the sides are not ready for that, they are going in the opposite direction. >> we ask this question - what happens next. based on what happens in the last seven months, there's increasing tension, right. >> the situation is more and more incendiary. the israelis are worried tomorrow there may be an attempt at retaliation. i don't see exactly how be get out of the spiralling cycle of violence now. and the only thing is that there's an ebb and flow. the sides are tired and they go back to sulking in the corner, awaiting the next round. >> i want to recommend to the viewers the piece in herets written, a powerful and personal piece. thank you for talking to us. home, a big set back in the push for the keystone xl. tonight the senate voted against building it. leaving the future uncertain as ever. >> the 60 vote threshold has not been achieved. the bill is not passed. >> reporter: after debating she in the end was short. louisiana democrat mary landrieu's bid to go around president obama and get senate approval of the keystone pipeline filed. [ chanting ] >> it was a pitched political battle. mary landrieu pleaded with colleagues for support. >> the added benefits are these - we don't have to be dictated to by russia and china, hora. we can create jobs in the u.s. and mexico. hoorah. >> before the vote, opponents took over capital officers of some democrats voting with mary landrieu, like michael bennett. >> in trip county 625 are affected. >> the proposed keystone pipeline would carry oil from the tar sands of alberta canada. some under and above major sources of fresh water, to nebraska, and then carried to the gulf coast. it's been stuck for six years. mary landrieu needed 15 democrats on her side. she got 14. many fellow democrats called the project an environmental nightmare. >> don't unleash the dirtiest oil known to mankind. >> supporters, including transcanada, a company that wants to build key stone say it will be a boon to the american comedy. >> proponents would like to us believe there's no economic benefits. if that's the case, this will be the first $8 billion infrastructure project that didn't create massive jobs and benefits. >> with this defeat, supporters will fight another day. republicans take over the senate in january. then they'd likely have the votes to send the vote to keystone. >> this is an early item. i'm very confident. >> now to a developing story. the takata airbag recall affecting millions is expected to expand significantly. federal regulators want the recall to cover the country, until now gulf states from affected. safety officials suspected high humidity caused the air bags to explode. missouri's governor appointed a ferguson commission, charged with finding the root causes of unrest this summer and offering solutions. it comes a day after governor jay nixon declared a state of emergency. >> patricia has been activity involved in the protest and is in ferguson. first of all, we are expecting the indictment any day. what reaction do you expect? >> i am not sure what reaction to expect. there's a lot of mixed emotions and different things going on. based on the past history of indictment of police officers, past ps say we will not get an indictment. this is an unusual case, it's different. it was done in broad daylight. we have different stories, not sure what to expect here. >> civil rights leader and congressman john lewis spoke out this week and talked about hoping for nonviolent protests and planning none violent protests including ferguson. what is the attempt to control what happens after the announcement. >> there's one thing i learnt since i was on the ground since august 9th, and you have to do a lot of prep work now. i'm definitely sending out the message that we know that there are people who are hell bent on trying to hit the streets for destruction. that will take away from the movement and our pursuit for truth and justice. and i have been asking people to be peaceful, but stay home. with the announcement of a national guard, there's an expectation that there's going to be violent behaviour. i'm not interested in playing into it. >> what was the reaction to the governor's announcement of a state of emergency? >> first of all, i think it was an over-reaction. there's no immediate threat here on the ground. and a better reaction would have been months ago if the government had actually put in a special prosecutor into this case. we seem to be overreacting and not reacting, what the public seems to think may have been the right thing to do. i think this was a wake up call. we have been out over 100 days and it's time to change the tactics, because just protesting will not be enough. we have to change it up. i don't want people ta play into the riot. we can fill the streets in a different way. not just the streets. we need to reach elected officials. it's time to come to the table and see what truth and justice looks like. >> thank you patricia bynes. if you are not reeling from record lows or snow, consider yourself lucky. winter is arriving early in a big way. 5 feet of snow has found in buffalo, new york, with more expected. the governor of the state declared a state of emergency, and our meteorologist rebecca steven son joins us. 5 feet of snow in buffalo, talk about the storm that dropped this. >> we had the very perfect set up. warm, cold arctic air moving in, and set up a wall of snow as it moved inland. the interesting part is that the morne part of the city of buffalo maybe got 3-4 inches of snowfall, and six miles south where the heaviest band of snow set up. that's where we saw 51 inches, wind gusts, 45 miles per hour, and windchill factors making it feel like 0 degrees. >> the roads must have been totally impassable. you say they'll get more. >> yes, we have a second arctic blast coming in as we get into tomorrow evening. snow will pick up again. still heavy. it's in place. it tapers off slightly into tomorrow afternoon as the second round comes in, bringing 1-2 feet of snow. to the north-east portion of lake erie. 7 feet of snow in a matter of days? >> yes, we could break a u.s. record snowfall set in 1921, colorado, as 76 inches. >> it's only november. >> yes. >> next on this broadcast, a new so-called cold war between the u.s., europe and russia. russia - it's not just about politics, but money. billions. >> plus... >> came along and turned it on its ear. >> comedian sandra bernhard reflects on her earlier years in the business. pass tonight a special report from ali velshi, about the so-called new cold war. billions is at stake, and the fight is not arms, but goods and fuel. >> reporter: these apple grows are at the front line of a war between russia and the urks sparked by the real war in ukraine. polish apples became a casualties after moscow slammed the door on most imports from the european union. a tit for tat response. russia is inflicting pain in this farming community, an hour is drive south of warsaw. orchards for as far as the eye can see grow this famous apple. it's delicious. polls love these, and as do others. poland exported 677,000 tonnes of apples to russia. 56% of all its apple exports. that ended on august 1st z. there's no one to buy the apples, that will cost polish apple growes 659 million this year. that panic over apples is a symbol of bigger fears spreading across the continent whose economic health was turning rotten. on the other side of the equation, sanctions are taking a toll on russia's stagnating economy. lower oil prices put the country on the brink of recession. it was projected that investors would rank $128 billion out of the economy. more than double the amount taken out the year before. vladimir putin holds a huge weapon in the war against the west. during the 1980s, moscow built a web of pipelines linking the gas fields to households and industries in europe using ukraine as a transit state. europe is vulnerable. if a bold attempt to fix the problem. poland is taking aggressive action. poland expect lng terminals to be built by 2015, hoping poland wean off $10 billion in gas. half that amount of natural gas comes into the new terminal by ship. i sat to discuss it with former polish president and cold war icon. >> poland had an experience where the gas from russia, from gazprom starts to flow a little less. do you think that will happen this year in poland and other countries? >> just a few more months, years, and we'll be completely independent of russia. russia will lose out. we and others will not buy. now we are not able to do it. we will be in the future. >> it's part of an economic war planting seeds of discontent in boardrooms and berlin, to apple orchards in poland. coming up tomorrow. russian roots run deep in the new cold war. that airs at 7:00p.m. eastern, and 4 pacific on this network. >> the u.s. military is tracking a mysterious russian object in space. launched in may, it was described as space debris. now it's manoeuvring around the earth, randa viewing with other russian vessels. space experts say they don't know what it is. it could be a device to collect space drunk, or a weapon next, israel vowing to respond to the attack on a synagogue. there's mixed rehabilitations from the palestinians plus n.f.l. star adrian peterson will be sitting out the rest of the n.f.l. season for assaulting a son. wives are speaking out as well. we look at whether the league encourages a culture of violence. >> we begin with the escalating violence in israel. the region is on edge after two palestinian men attacked people in a synagogue in an ultra orthodox district in jerusalem. four men inside the sunna going were killed, and an israeli police officer died outside. we have this report. >> these are confrontations between palestinian protesters and israeli police in occupied east jerusalem. hours earlier attackers walked into a synagogue in west jerusalem and killed four people. palestinian president mahmoud abbas condemned the attack saying violence against civilians is unacceptable. >> translation: we call for the end of such acts to allow for political protests that will lead to peace in the middle east. >> it's been gds that udayy jamal and ghassan abu jamal, two cousins, carried out the attack. they were shot dead by police. members of the family were re-elected. after an emergency meeting prime minister binyamin netanyahu ordered the demolition of their homes. >> we will not accept this. we will win. we'll maintain law and order on the streets of jerusalem. >> the houses of the terrorists who carry out the attacks will be destroyed. i decided to strengthen the security of jerusalem against attacks. >> a statement from a group known as the popular front of the liberation of palestine said they belonged to the ranks, they stopped short of saying they organised t >> translation: we see this attack as part of palp. we are proud. >> this violence will provoke anger. there has been a surge of attacks in areas of israel and the occupied palestinian territories. at the heart of the dispute is the al-aqsa compound, sacred to muslims and jews. far right israeli groups want the rights to pray within the walls of the holy site, known as temple mount, something they cannot do. israeli prime minister binyamin netanyahu said his government will use a heavy hand in response to tuesday's attack. it's difficult to say what that will look like, what is clear is the cycle of violence doesn't appear to be ending the popular front for the liberation of palestine said the attackers were members of their organization. the group's roots date back 50 years. morgan radford has the story. >> the attack happened in an orthodox neighbourhood in west jerusalem, but the attackers were from an eastern neighbourhood. >> the popular front for the liberation of palestine was formed after israel's victory in the 19676-day wore -- 1967, 6-day war. it provided ideology with arab nationalism. it saw the destruction of the jewish state as part of a vision of a revolution. it had support from the soviet union and china at one time. it came to prominence in the 1970s with a string of spectacular high jackings, including this. in which passenger jets from pan am, swiss air and boac were emptied and bone up in front of the world media in jordan. >> it teamed with other groups, like the japanese red army and a german group. its association with the bataminehoff group resulted in a hijacking of air france flight 139. a commando raid rescued most passengers. in the 1970s, the pslp was the plos second-largest faction. its influence began to slip in the 1990s. with the decline of the soviet union, the rejection of the peace process, known as the oslo accord, and the ruse of groups like hamas. it is still a force. in 2001, during the palestinian infat arta, it assassinate a minister. it carried out a dozen attacks in israel and occupied territories. nothing as high profile as this latest attack. >> a spokesman for the group called the attack heroic, but didn't address responsibility for it. the mayor is urging residents not to take matters into their own hands. >> a grand jury decision into the killing of michael brown in ferguson expected almost every day. at issue is whether officer darren wilson should be charged in the shooting of an unarmed teen, michael brown. "america tonight"s lori jane gliha spoke to a former ferguson officer who said he felt targeted. >> reporter: john bowman spent 15 of 28 years in the police department in ferguson. bowman knew darren wilson, a white police officer who shot and killed michael brown, an unarmed black teen. >> i can't remember going on a call with him. i talked to him in the hallways, at role call. that was pretty much it. i wasn't assigned to a squad. i never went on a call with them. >> did you see this coming. what was the first reaction? >> i was sad that it came down to that. you never want to see anyone lose their life. >> over the past three month, bowman watched his former department and colleagues come under pressure and criticism. first for the shooting and the after math for leaving brown's body in the street for several hours. >> if the police picked up the body and ran with it and did a shoddy investigation. or a quick investigation, people would not be happy about that. >> activists say the shooting of the 18-year-old was a symptom of a racist and corrupt police department. in response the federal government launched two investigations. a civil rights inquiry into the shooting, and a probe into whether police in ferguson have a history of discrimination or misuse of force. >> a 2013 report by the andrej meszaros attorney-general showed ferguson police pulled over blacks 86% of the time, even though they made up 67% of the population. despite the numbers, bowman says the ferguson police department does good work. >> 12 years ago, ferguson was heavily involved in community policing, and that went away 7-8 years ago. >> why? >> manpower issues. >> reporter: while bowman and the rest of the community awaits news, he knows the stress of the situation is wearing on his friends at the tushes are -- at the ferguson police department. >> they are a tough group of guys. they'll be stronger in the long run. >> you can watch the rest of lori jane gliha's story after this broadcast on "america tonight". . >> two weeks ago adrian peterson pleaded no contest to hitting his 4-year-old son. it's the latest in a season full of off the field abuse situation. leaving many to wonder if the n.f.l. cult vates such a society. >> reporter: after video of ray rice pulling an unconscious wife out of an elevator. the n.f.l. commissioner was under security. 2 week suspension seemed weak. video of rice striking his wife led him to be suspended indefinitely. >> i got it wrong in the ray rice matter. i'm sorry for that. i got it wrong on a number of levels - from the process that i led to the decision that i reached but the rice situation was just the beginning of an avalanche of negative publicity for the n.f.l. 49ers defensive liner ray mcdonald. greg hardy and cardinals running back missed games due to domestic abuse allegations, leading the lead to beef up protocols and create a female panel of experts shaping policies and pty ltds on domestic -- programs on domestic violence and sexual assault. >> we'll do what is necessary to make sure we are thorough in our processes and that conclusions are reliable. we'll get our house in order first. >> when you add st. peter's square -- adrian peterson, it adds to whether a culture of violence has been cultured. it was said that nfl teams covered up hundreds of domestic issues. angelo backed off claims of such but the cloud of doubt remains. we have a domestic violence activist and executive director of truth and reality, and she joins us in our studio. welcome, good to have you on the programme. talk about, if you wood, do you think the n.f.l. is taking a stand? >> i think they are trying to take a stand. to dismantle decades of an approach will not happen overnight. what we see here with these first high-profile cases which put their practices into the public eye, we are seeing them start to slowly cole together. >> what does it take. we've seen a number of cases over the last year, and a number of cases before that. why did it take this long, do you think? >> because people don't want to see. it's a health issue. it's prevalent in our society. people turn deaf eyes or deaf ear on it. >> is the n.f.l. a reflection of society or is something at work that is beyond what goes on normally. >> i think that it is a reflection, but the n.f.l. is like our society on steroids, because of the fact that it's so patriarchial, there's so much funny at take. there's these players who are so valuable, and the league is going to protect their assets. the victims will fall by the wayside. if, in fact, a player is convicted they lose a cash cow. >> you talk about the wives of the players. the focus of a great deal of this is on the abuse of the wives of some of the players. that what is it like for those women. >> i can't speak personally about what it's like to be the wife of an n.f.l. player. i've been in relationships with a high profile individual, and there's a lot of pressure. i was in a relationship with a former player several years ago. what i can say to any woman in a relationship with anyone with power, prestige, influence, money, that has been coddled, there's a lot of pressure put on you to be silent. >> go ahead. as i read the "new york times" piece, it was clear there was interventions put into place to prevent the victims from being able to go to the police because they wanted to keep it within the family. >> there was a lot of talk after the last couple of occasions, including adrian peterson, about ratings and stop source, and whether or not if ratings went down and sponsor abandoned the n.f.l. they'd be in trouble. and they'd have to pay for that. is that the right reason to do this. >> i don't think it's a question of what is right. as an activist i'm thrilled at the fact that this is compelled. it's been propelled into public consciousness. if it wasn't for the fact that these were high profile, high paid players, would this have received notoriety and press coverage? it's doubtful. we are talking about the lose of millions in revenue. that is something the league will look at. >> this was a gross miscalculation on the part. n.f.l. that over recent years they cultivated viewership of women, they have a huge fan base of women. that played a huge role in the outrage of the ray rice and adrian peterson case. >> you say it goes beyond n.f.l. >> yes, and immediately other groups started to make changes within their policies. >> good to have you back on the programme. thank you for sharing your story. appreciate it. >> uber is saying sorry for an executive's outburst. the c.e.o. apologised after a senior vp threatened to spend millions to dig up dirt on journalists who criticized the company. the c.e.o. said threats were terrible and did not represent uber pod casts reviewediate, unfriend and one time tore another have been the word of the year. now it's time to unveil the winner for 2014. what is it - phil lavelle has the answer. >> would you scribe yourself as a slackivist. >> what does that mean. >> good question. surely you know what. >> ndireff means. third time lucky. do you know what a foottender is. you do. surely it has to be a start. the english language is about to get a lick of paint. time to make the already pretty thick dictionary thicker. the annual update. intriguing traditions. did you take part in the ice bucket challenge. if you did, you are a slack-tivist. you like to take part in activism, but not too sure of active effort. >> and here is a seller of cannabis, strictly where it is leader and indi-ref, an independence referendum. scotland had one, catalonia wants one, the english dictionary wants one. >> experts scan 150 million words every month. they look at conversations people are having in the street. things that are said online and form a list of commonly used words. the winner is picked using specific criteria. here it is in your finest english language. it has to reflect the ethos, move or preoccupations at that year, and to have lasting potential as a word of cultural significance. and this year's is a real page turner. are you ready for this? this is 2014's word of the year. vaip. yes. vape. stumped. okay, here is a visual translation. to vaip is to use an electronic cigarette because you exhale vapour, not smoke. a common site in many countries, and a word that comes with its own set much complications. >> i did a story about electronic cigarettes, and we had a man in who vapes, we wondered do we call him a vapor, a vipist. >> vapor, i think is the usual term, go to vape shots, emporiums, smoking ejuice. there are so many words associated with it. >> last year's word of the year as selfie, needing to explanation. angela merkel is in on them. vape may not be as obviously, but it's as official. >> coming up, the pictures of the day. plus... >> i think people get lazy in this country. >> comedian sandra bernhard gets serious. the rest of our conversation is coming up next. sandra bernhard is known for an in-your-face comedian. she has done it all, playing a gay character, from comedy specials to movies. she looks back on her surprising, multi-faceted career. i started by asking how she's seen the change? >> in every way possible. when i started there was a small handful of people doing comedy, really. back in the mid '70s, i moved to l.a. to pursue a dream of being an entertainer. there was a handful of women, joan rivers, and people that had been around for a while, phyllis dillerment the vibe was self-deprecating. women making fun of their bodies, their dating, and i kind of came along and turned it on its ear. post-modern, post feminist, uber confident, feeling, you know, very like sort of mary tyler moore. >> what is your biggest influence. mary tyler moore - when i think of you i don't think of mary tyler moore? >> yet she is. mary was - she left, you know, left the big city, moved to minneapolis, and was independent. i patterned my life after her. >> did you have an idea when you started that you'd do all this stuff, beyond comedy. >> i ultimately wanted to be a singer, a broad way musical performer. i went from arizona to l.a. when i was 18, turning 19 and fell into the comedy scene. you can sing, get up at comedy clubs. ♪ it's all right... . >> when you came on tv in the early days, as a viewer, i never knew what you would say. that was a cool thing. they talked about in your face comedy. how do you cat forrize yourself. that was my jumping off face, i developed as an artist and performer, i fine tuned my material. i work at a lot of different levels. i can be up there, intro spective. >> you talked about breaking barriers in comedy with some of the material that you did, and you broke barriers with rowan. >> right. i met rowan and tom arnold at a party at sue manbles house. she was an agent, she had parties and would introduce people. i didn't know rozzan. we talked and shmoosed and she and tom said will you come on the show and play tom's wife, fiancee. i said "yes, great, fun." and the whole thing was, you know, arnie, tom arnold's character was so ab noxious, that he drove me into the arms much morgan fairchild. that was the joke. it was bigger, because no one played a bisexual gay character. >> all right. her name is marler, i'm seeing a woman. we kept it fun, upbeat, sophisticated. we weren't trying to do anything. it just happened. >> what do you remember about the reaction? >> i think the audience was - you know, they were, "oh", but they loved it, it was fun, it was a surprise. it opened people up to a different way of looking at it. >> before ellen came out. no one was trying to be a hierro. it was within the realm of great col ab ration. when i think about your character, there has been a lot of change when it came to the issue of gay marriage. >> it was unfolding. >> how did you know it would? >> it's a snowball effect. anyone under 30, if they brought up the gay issue, busy living, whatever, who cares. it's a non-starter, no one gives a hoot. can i ask you about politics. what was the rehabilitation. >> if people are burned out. politics lost its glamour and veneer and excitement. i think people are tired, and i think that people get lazy in this country. they complain, bitch and moan. when there's an opportunity to go out and make a difference, sometimes they don't do it. >> as an entertainer, performer, artist, do you felt the need to get involved in political stuff? >> not as much as i did when the election happened for obama. i maybe went a little deeper into it than i normally did. >> here is some little freaked out intimidated frightened right wing republican... >> occasionally in my shows when it's my audience, i touch on something. people are beaten to death. there's you at al jazeera, jon stewart, steven colbert, rachel - people ta spend their lies picking apart politics. it's not my first love. >> you joined the cast of "brooklyn 99", can you talk about your character. >> it's starting. i'm chelsea's mother, the other policeman she's having the affair with, his father and i start to hook up. the two of them are horrified at the two of us getting together. again, it's sort of she's a little cookie and out there. it's fun. i like playing characters who are not all who i am, sophisticated, tongue in cheek, but a little more grounded in reality, like a reality of the world we live in, and play a bit more of a loose canon. >> thank you for entertaining all of us for a long time. we hope you do it for many years. >> i hope i can do it for as long as i can get up and kick it out. >> good, great to meet you. appreciate it. sandra will perform in new york city from december 27th through december 31st. now to our picture of the day. this is not your normal rock formation, it's from mars. n.a.s.a.'s curiosityie. examining material at the base of a mountain. that's your broadcast. thanks for watching, i'm john seigenthaler. 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