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that is a political move that trump just made, and that political move makes him popular with the base, but on the legal side, he just broke another law. >> it almost reminds me. i think there would be arguments some people might make, you know little kids with their siblings, i'm not touching you, they are almost close to your face, i'm not touching you, not touching you, maybe it is my kids in my own household, but somebody look at that same post and they would say it is not specific, he didn't name a particular witness, he didn't threaten a particular named person. the judge's name is not in there, any of the witnesses who might be in there, or even the unnamed co-conspirators who have not yet been indicted in any of the pleadings, is there an argument to be made that it is so vague that a protective order would essentially leads to the next talking point that says oh, i can't say anything? >> i don't think this statement that he has just gotten in trouble for is vague. it served his political purpose. it made him look powerful. he got to sort of look like the boss. but legally he just got himself in trouble again. and i think one sink thing to
of the boss. >> greg, when you look at this, just as an average american citizen, you see two trump indictments from the doj. you see no investigation of the d. 10231023 the cushy plea deal. and then you ask, where's robert? her?if you if you don't know his name, i don't don't blame you for that. he's guy looking into the biden docs. jonathan turley said his face belongs on a milk carton at this point. how can you not believe that ther in e is a two tiered justim system? >> oh, there absolutel y is. and the american public knows it, which is why after the indictments, trump's ratings go up and the money begins to flow in on donations.i >> look, joe biden doesn't havei to direct merricrectk garland in his doj prosecutors ind to indicict his political opponent. >> the people running the department were picked by joe biden, so they're doing his bidding happily so. and garland selected jack smith as special counsel becausek smi he has a notorious track record of bringing politically becausenotorioumotivated proses
we remember during the joe mccarthy era, you had senators like margaret chase smith taking hik carthy on. in this key moment we had vice president pence do the right thing, take contemporary notes, share it with federal investigators and let the chips fall where they may. that's hard to do when you worked in close tandem with the boss, donald trump. his break and that line that will live forever is trump telling pence, you know, the problem with you basically, mike, is you tell the truth. i think that will be used in this case also. it's a big moment in american history right here, it's won of more to come, atlanta is going to pop in a couple of weeks and you're seeing a former president of the united states and the leader of the gop besieged by legal troubles. >> first of all, every time i
almost three years, so that they could bring them right in the middle of my presidential election because its election interference. it's a great badge of honor because i am being indicted for you. >> meanwhile, the classified documents case is moving forward. it has now been four days since that superseding indictment was filed. this morning, trump's newest codefendant, mar-a-lago property manager carlos de oliveira has had his first court appearance down in miami. nbc's garrett haake has all the details. >> reporter: indicted mar-a-lago employee carlos de oliveira three tonight on $100,000 bond, entering notably during a first hearing in federal court in miami. prosecutors say he sought to delete surveillance videos subpoenaed as part of the classified documents case. de oliveira allegedly telling another mar-a-lago staffer, quote, the boss wanted the video deleted the. mr. trump who now faces 40 separate counts and the case
to cooperate and flipping help jack smith. >> yeah, absolutely. who will be the next trump employee for the next person to come forward? if there is additional information, here's what was said to me for efforts to destroy and remove boxes. maybe efforts to destroy and remove with who came in at what time. any number of things like that it doesn't mean there is some and if there are some people with that kind of explanation you have got to be sure that those people are thinking too i really need this lawyer paid for by the boss. and do i need someone who's really gonna protect my interest to make sure i say to jail and i properly coordinate with the government to give the truth information that i have, if it's in any way relevant and as we go forward with this especially with this indictment think of how lesson less important the classified portion of this case is coming. the espionage act charges may
property manager who appeared in court for the first time since he was named a coson spear investor in the documents case. randi kaye starts us off tonight. >> reporter: mar-a-lago property manager carlos de oliveira arriving at federal court in miami. the 56-year-old is accused of being part of a plot to delete security camera video from plrl after the department of justice subpoenaed the footage. de oliveira is facing four charges, including conspiracy to obstruct justice and false statements to the fbi. >> put their money where their mouth is. >> reporter: according to the federal indictment, de oliveira allegedly asked an i.t. worker about how long footage remains on the server and said that, quote, the boss wanted the server deleted, an apparent reference to donald trump, who remains defiant on the campaign trail. >> they're not indicting me. they're indicting you. i just happen to be standing in
probably, in all of jack smith's investigations, once he's brought the initial indictment, presumably against donald trump, it doesn't mean there isn't more to come. and it doesn't mean there is an ongoing pressure for a trump associate to cooperate, to flip, and to help jack smith. >> absolutely, who will be the next trump employee employee 4, who would be the next person to come forward if there is additional information, to say here is what was said to me about efforts to, maybe, destroy or remove boxes, maybe efforts to destroy servers of who came in and at what time. but if there is people with that kind of information, we gotta be assured that those people are thinking right now, do i really need this, you know, lawyer paid for by the boss? or do i really need someone who's gonna protect my interests, and make sure i stay out of jail, and then, i should probably coordinate with the government, provide whatever truthful information i have, if
indictment, de oliveira allegedly asked the mar-a-lago security worker about how long security footage remained in the server. he said that, quote, the boss wanted the server deleted. an apparent reference to donald trump, who remains defiant on the campaign trail. >> you know, they're not indicting me, they're indicting you. i just happen to be standing in their way. that is all that is. >> to people close to the investigation identified the i. t. worker as useful tavares, who told carlos de oliveira he did not believe he had the right to delete the footage. that is according to the indictment which is not indicate the footage was ever deleted. it is unclear if tavares is cooperating with the special counsel, but sources tell cnn that the new allegations resulted in at least part from information taveras provided to investigators. carlos de