just a job to provide for myself and his parents, but a career that he enjoyed and more importantly passionate about it even though he spent a lot of hours working, he was always love for his work. we spoke about the law and how he applied the law. he was objective in his determination of the law with courtesy, we areith respect and with the highest professionism. although he worked often, he always took time to spend with me his number one fan and his pamly and friends. he was always there when somebody needed something. when wenjian was not working, he
cared a lot for the chinese community. he wanted to always do his best to help and support. the very community that he was part of wenjian's kind heart loved by his friend and colleagues and our extended family ha isthat is here today. the caring son, a loving husband and a loyal friend. you are an amazing man even though you left us early, but i believe that he will have his loving spirit to continue to look out for us. he will keep an eye over us. wenjian is my hero. we can always count on him.
again, i thank you, my extended family my fam ily of blue for attending today's services, thank you. wen wenjian will always be in my hearts. i love you, i love you forever. [ applause ]
ing breaking news, the ongoing funeral service for new york police detective wenjian liu and you heard the widow, and the two with were married for four month, and gave what is a remarkably brave eulogy about her slain hudzsband and talking about how she was his soulmate and best friend and only son of immigrant, and very, very dedicated to his parents and mot to mention the people of new york city whom he risked his life and then died trying to protect them. there are thousands of people crowding the streets outside the brooklyn funeral home where this service is under way, and the police officers are standing shoulder-to-shoulder and notably some officers did turn their officers as the new york mayor bill de blasio did deliver
a eulogy. inside the drekirector fbi and the police commissioner and as i mentioned, officer liu's widow and his father. and his father did not speak in english, but you did not have to understand the language to feel his pain. it was really a heartbreaking, heartbreaking event. liu and his partner rafael ramos were gunned down december 27th when they were gunned down in their squad car, and we will be joined by miguel marquez who is outside of the funeral services. miguel can you tell us about the scene there among the thousands of men in blue who came all around the country to at tend this funeral. >> reporter: for the bulk of the entire ceremony there was a
contingent of asian officers just outside of the church here, and we believe that the coffin of officer liu is coming out soon and nypd officer did come up and ask whether we will be broadcasting live or speaking at that time, and that is something that they want to keep very somber event here to honor this police officer as his casket moves towards its final resting place. with the are regard to the police officers turning their back here in front of the funeral home there were zero. no police officers who turned their back. just down from here, on the processional route where the casket will go there with were some police officers who did turn their backs according to our sara ganim who is down tlhere and other producers who saw them but much smaller number than last week, and the police commissioner asking by memo to
the police force that it was not an appropriate thing to do. that it is a time for grieving and not grievance and that when they turned their back on the mayor during officer ramos' funeral last week they did no valor to the officer's sacrifice and honor of his job in doing so. so he has asked them not to do it now. you can see now the police officers are lining up now. this is the ceremonial unit of the nypd lining up in order to receive the body the casket of officer liu. we expect to see that coming out of here shortly. it looks like they may be slightly ahead of schedule and though it is a little unclear that the family did arrive an hour before the ceremony began and several speakers to listen to his father speak, and i don't speak cantonese, but to listen to him speaking and trying to
get through the words and emotion, and it was hard to watch that. this was meant to go for another hour and he may be coming out soon. the ceremony they had in there was a lot of individuals bringing food to the location of the casket and also burning pieces of paper or cardboard to symbolize things from the physical word the food and those symbol ss are things that officer liu in the buddhist tradition would take on to the next life. dana? >> miguel i agree with you to watch his father to lose any child is just defy sies the laws of nature, but to lose your only son as he did is just words just can't can express how much grief he must be feeling right now. thank you very much and stand by us miguel because we want to go to cnn correspondent sarah
again mim who ganim who is outside of the funeral home. >> can you hear me? >> yes, it is dana bash sarah, and can you hear us? we are having trouble getting her ifp working, and we will go inside of the studio to tom fuentes, and you are a law enforcement analyst, but also a cop on the beat where you started outside of chicago for six years. and for those of us who have never served or had the honor of serving, talk about what is it like, and what has drawn thousands of people around the country including towns like chicago for this funeral? >> well to understand police officers it helps to have been one and having been in the life of a police officer. it is not a job but a way of life and not just for you, but the family. it is what has been carried
through for the ramos and liu families they have to live with the life and the fear and the threat, and i know my mother who had passed away now, she had a husband and two sons who were police officers at the same time, and she had this worry every day. >> i cannot imagine. i cannot imagine. the koncontroversy about what these officers faced when it came to racial protests and some of the protests getting personal when it came to the police officers after the killings in ferguson missouri of black teenagers in new york city. as somebody who has bp on the street and been on the beat what strikes you when you see all of this? >> what strikes me is that the one message that people don't really realize and the one thing about being a police officer is that you realize in the entire
criminal justice system, and in the entire medical system and the entire community leader ss, the police officer deals with the victim. the victims die in your arms and the victims die in the ambulance with you in the hospital or in the surgery at the hospital after they have been shot is or stabbed or involved in a terrible accident and it is the police and there is an image that the police have no empathy or sympathy for the members of the public and in the arereality, they have more. the hardened exterior to cope with that is the fact that the police see itt everyday. if the they have animosity, and the the guys carrying the guns in the community, and the gang-bangers gunning down other members, it is because they are seeing the the people shot by the gangs, and the people victimized by the crime. >> absolutely. so i want to turn back to the scene so that the viewers know what we are look ging at, the
funeral just concluded, and we are watching the sea of blue police officers from all over there, and you will see the color guard getting ready, and looks like we are waiting for the casket to come out to take wen wenjian liu to his final resting place. miguel marquez is there. >> these funerals are so tough to watch and to see this brotherhood and sisterhood to come together. if you can pan over here, ricky, this is the ceremonial unit inside of the funeral home. they are now lining up outside of the funeral home and the co color guard with the u.s. flag the new york citying in ing inand the nypd flag are going to line up in front of the hearse that will take detective liu to his final resting place. the level of mourning and the
sense of the sol lumemn nature of what is happening here is unmistakable. what we saw here today is a service that we are not accustomed to and to hear his father speak in cantonese, and even though none of us spoke cantonese, it was very clear and the love of his son was very clear. they did some translation afterwards to talk about how his son would heldp him come work in the garment district after his school work and he would call him and very conscientious and good son. the mayor talked about detective liu's love of fishing. and his cousin spoke about, and we all called him wenjian liu, but his family called him joe. it is how they have become an american family in their own
way, and now with the ceremonial unit out of the the funeral home it seems that they are now waiting for the mayor of the other dignitaries and the other director to come out, and then we believe we will see the casket of wenji aan liu come out of the funeral home to make its way. >> and what miguel is talking about is so true in that what you heard in the eulogies and throughout the service is that people were humanizing him, and he was not a number or a cop on the beat that was killed, but a human being with a family who loved him so much but another thing is what truely american story this is. and so classic new york. and so specific new york you have the son of immigrants coming in and really wanting to be a good american as they called him joe, and looking at
the line of work that he chose. >> and for many of the immigrant families especially when a son or daughter says that i want to be a police officer, the families coming in from other countries, they say, you can't be a police aufofficer in the united states, and this is the wild west and the rest of america looks at us with our 300 million gun s ins in a population of 320 million looks at us as violence and out of control and the violence on the streets and the wild west atmosphere and so in some ways when they hear that their family members want to be a police officer, they rare terrified, and that is probably why he had to call his dad after every shift to say he is still alive he made him. >> and i would want my son to call me after his shift everyday too, so i understand.
and we have a sea of oblue and police men from all over the country to attend the funeral, and sara can you tell us what you are seeing? >> yes, dana this is the procession route, and i have stepped away from the route to be respectful not to disrupt the officers who are lined up to watch the ceremony, but they have lined up here and listened to every single speaker, and tens of thousands is of officers are here to pay their respects. it is not the brightest or the warmest or the driest of days here in brooklyn but they did not come out in any less numbers as they did last week for officer ramos' funeral. you heard are from wenjian liu's father who spoke in mandarin and he said that he was so proud of his son to be a member of the nypd and to help the immigrant community when he was not working. and we heard a couple of notable
things prfrom the fbi director james comey and new york mayor bill de blasio and we wondered if there would be an honor of the commissioner to not turn their back on the mayor as he spoke, and we did see some officers turn around and not a majority and not even half of the officers where we were standing, but some. and more than the nypd and some officers who were from out of town who also turned around for the speech. this tepgs between the nypd and the mayor have been growing since the protest in new york, but many of the officers i have spoken to here from nypd and out of town say they don't believe that the funeral for a fallen officer is a place for that. and to give you the idea of how many officers are here this is a sea of blue for nearly a mile and this is how long the route
is for those who want to pay their respects. jetblue flew in more than 1,100 officers from all over the country for free. i have seen badges and vehicles from cincinnati and virginia and connecticut and california and it is a long way to come. i have talked to three officers who came from outside of new orleans and they said it was incredibly important for them to be here for this, and not to show support for the fallen officer, but also because they feel that they do still get the re respect and earn the respect of the majority of the nation, and they wanted to show that to the world by coming here to this funeral, and just another note dana about security here because it is not just police officers, but it is a lot of the communities here in the streets, and we are seeing the patrols on the roofs, and canine units and helicopters and many of the units are blocked off on the
procession route where the casket is going to be driven down to the cemetery. it is not the only roadblocked off here. they are making sure that it is a safe place for them to hold this ceremony and to hold a proper funeral for one of their fallen. dana. >> thank you and great the information and color there. i should mention that as you were speaking sara we saw some of the congressional delegation exiting the funeral home there. is another one, peter king, the republican from new york coming out, and some other well known republicans, charlie rangel and congressman joe crowley who was on the show earlier today whose father and grandfather who were both new york city police officers and so we are watching the dignitaries come out, and that probably means not too far behind will be the casket of the slain officer, and while we are watching that i want to turn back to tom fuentes.
and you heard sara talking about despite the commissioner bill bratton asking the rank and file not the turn their backs, some did. she reported very important to note that it was not the number that it was at rafael ramos' funeral, but it happen ded nonetheless from a treatise from their leader because it detracts from the respects of their fallen comrade. and tom, what do you make of that as a former officer? >> i think they should not have done it in my opinion, it is not the time or place as mentioned by commissioner bratton. and i thought that commissioner bratton's request to not do it and he said that he would not discipline any officers and no repercussions that way, and he requested it as a fellow officer, and he was a fellow officer in the 1970s when we were pigs and spit on and he
thought that police officers out there out of respect for him, and despite the feelings for the mayor which are neg thetive and deep, but out of respect for him, they might honor that respect. >> and let me play the devil's advocate they defect the freedom of speech everyday and why shouldn't they have their freedom of speech? why shouldn't they display their ainge anger if they are angry? >> they should, but by doing it today, they are talking about that instead of the great life of officer ramos, and their parents, and the other great officers in the world, and talk act this issue and that is the reason enough not to do it. >> i get that. and the big picture, and the years you were a cop? >> yes, in illinois, and 1970 to 1973 when i became a member of the fbi. >> and racial issues have
changed since then, and society has changed since then but is this something that the police force focus odd n? >> absolutely. the idea that when people say we need community policing. they have had community policing. my father was a police officer and it was a kid going with him to community events and chaperoning field trips and dances and all of that and i was 1 years old when he was a police officer, and the idea that the police need to get into the community and work them, and when you talk about what officer liu and ramos did in their communities tashgs i are a part of that as well as thousands of nypd officers engaged everyday in their community and in the neighborhoods talking to the people trying to help in the policing that they are doing. i the think that is part of what the police are upset about with the public rhetoric that they have not done community policing or they need training because they don't know how to talk to people. police aufofficers have a phd in
street psychology and if they don't talk to somebody properly it is because they don't want to and not because they don't know how. it is not because they need to take classes on wrestling, because the modern police officer has to be a wrestler and telling somebody they are under arrest and the person won't comply that is not going to cut it. and the rhetoric about policing needs to be that we need to have a discussion and not accusations back and forth by sound bite. >> and on that note, we need to return to the solemnity of this moment and hopefully we can see another picture of the sea of blue because it is powerful and poignant. and there it is. and before we go to t rehe reporters in the sea, tom, as a former police officer, yourself and what goes through your mind as you see that e remarkable scene. >> the brother 450d and the sisterhood of law enforcement, and why it is close, and why the remind minder of it. 115 police officers have died in
the line of duty this year, and it is because of the recent amount of public discussion that has been so negative about policingch that is actually contributing to the police officers wanting to travel from california and canada and new orleans to come to be a part of this because they realize that they need to show the solidarity of being in the profession and calling together. >> well, it is looking like solidarity and achieving that by looking at the pictures. miguel marquez, i want to bring you back in, and listening to tom fuentes and being a police officer, and looking at the police officers from all over the country, and i would believe that is the sentiment that you are seeing there on the ground? >> yes, it sis, and i can see a half mile down and you can see a fine line of blue all of the way down. they have created just enough space in the very wide street so that the funeral cortege can make its way down that way.
the mayor is speakingt that funeral in a personal way about detective liu. also this attack on both detective liu and ramos was not just an attack on two individuals, but it was an attack on the city of new york. the police work the police department being the bedrock of civil society, and the necessity to honor police officers and to have a good relationship between the political set and the police set. so my sense is that the rancor that we have seen in the recent weeks, and the anger in recent weeks h will find ss will find a newer and bet better level, and we have seen in the last half hour not only dignities, but police officer s to come out of the funeral home, and we expect to see the casket of detective liu to emerge shortly for the final ride to
its final resting place. >> and miguel, you have sort of been experiencing the whiplash of emotions there in new york city and now more the past couple of weeks, because of the assassination of these two police officers but then just prior to that the anger at the justice system and in many ways, the cops that we have heard, but the justice system because eric garner who was now everybody knows was killed during an arrest after he was trying to illegally sell cigarettes and the uproar about no indictments about that. >> that is the ancillary and i have logged many miles as they have angrily taken over to the streets here and that is where a lot of the rancor between the
mayor and the nypd comes from. there were beat cops walking alongside the protesters and stopping the traffic to make sure they could be safe and making sure adds they were taking over the streets and the city were safe. governor cuomo said it in his remarks last week probably best there is no better sign of what a great police department that we have that they were at the butt end of the anger of the protesters, and yet, they were protecting their fest first amendment rights while they were taking their abuse at the same time. so that's the sort of stuff that we saw for many, many miles through the streets of new york, and i am sure that those beat officers told their buddies by text and social media and everything else you should hear what they are calling us and hear what they are saying. there is already upset with the mayor before these two officers' deaths, but afterward ss, it took it to another level.
and i want to tell you that the towers to tunnels program that offered to pay off the home loans for them and they needed $800,000 and they have $700,000 and so they can almost pay off their home loan ss. and hundreds of thousands of dollars have been raised for these two individuals. for people who felt they were left out in the cold, and bereft and not loved in the city, and last week's funeral, and this week's funeral is showing a different picture. >> thank you, miguel for the insights and as you were speaking former mayor rudy giuliani is there to pay his respects as well. i want to go back to sara ganim who is there in the crowd, and by way of the context and the background, we have been talking about the new york mayor bill de
blasio and the anger that he has apparently incited among these many of the cops the reason most recently is the reason that he taught his biracial son how to handle whether when he is approached by a police officer, because he would be approached differently, because of the color of his skin. and sara, that is what sparked the people turning their backs on him when he spoke last week and to a much lesser extent just this morning. >> reporter: that is right, dana and some say it goes back to his opposition of stop and frisk when he was running for mayor. and being here, and not just here for the wake yesterday and the funeral today, but going back a few weeks to the very public memorial site in brooklyn -- >> sorry, sara, i am sorry to
interrupt, but i want to tell you that the family and the widow and the father of wenjian liu just exited the funeral home. keep going, i apologize. >> no, that is okay, dana. the days after were emotions very raw where the members of the community where where the members of the community had marched in the community had marched in the protests and they said this is not the time to criticize the mayor. there was a scene from the memorial and i witnessed it and it was so incredibly powerful where a woman came with a sign for officer ramos' young son who said that your father had nothing wrong and she was having a hard time to tape it to the brick wall and officer came up to put it up on the wall and they put it up together and it was representative at the mood of the memorial, because it was interesting at the same time that some of of the police
unions were criticizing the mayor, and now a few weeks remove d removed from here at the funeral here at the wake, and i heard many officers some of them former nypd who work in other departments in other states who had come back for this say, look, it is a political issue, and also a very personal issue for many of the officers but this funeral is not the place for that. and that comes from this feeling that last week at officer ramos' funeral, the pictures, the the photographs of the nypd turning their backs on the mayor, those were incredibly powerful pictures, and they changed the narrative of that day away from the funeral, and away from the celebration of his life and towards a more political issue, and people did not want to see that happen again today. >> and sara i have been in those situation, and it is physically difficult to move around but have you talked to any of the officers who defied commissioner bratton and turned their backs nonetheless?
>> well shgs, i have not, but dana, from where i am, it was not a whole lot of them around certainly mot the numb lyly not the numbers that we saw last week and in the crowd of about 450 where i can see and count from where i am standing maybe 50, or maybe even less, and then some of them were not nypd at all, and they were officers from other jurisdictions who wanted to make the point that they stand alongside the nypd on this issue, but it wasn't a majority and it was not half. it was a few. and their commissioner william bratton, when he made this plea for them not to do this today, he said look it is not a mandate and i won't discipline anybody over it, but i am asking that this day not become about this conversation that we are having right now, that it become that the narrative stay with officer liu and his family
and the nypd and like i mentioned before when i talked to officers who came in from out of town i did get the feeling that one of the reason ss that they wanted to come was because they wanted to show that solidarity and they wanted to show that they do feel the support of the nation and while this is a personal issue, a lot of them felt that it was an issue for today. >> thank you, and that is the case for today. for the viewers who are tuning in we are looking at a cold and rainy day in new york city, but one that is not deterring the thousands is of police officers and dignitaries who have come from around the kuncountry to pay their respects to officer wenjian liu who lost his life and killed on desemcember 20th along with his partner rafael ramos. there was an incredibly moving funeral service that included speeches not just from the
dignitaries such as the mayor as we have been discussing or the police commissioner, but hi father who spoke cantonese, and did not speak english, but you did not need to speak that language that to understand the sorrow and the pain of losing his not only son, but his only son and his only child, and then from his widow who he was married to for two months who called him her best friend her soulmate and somebody who really gave his all for not just her and his family but for the city of new york. i want to bring back tom fuentes, and as we look, we are as i mentioned, we heard the ceremony and seeing everybody leave. what we are waiting for right now is for the casket of wenjian liu to exit the funeral home and make its way down to what the reporters on the scene have been describing over a mile of people just lined up on the procession route.
what are your thoughts as we areing at this now? >> just how moving and solemn and the emotions of the officers are of everyone who is attending this. and you know if any good came from the last two weeks of the funeral s funerals, it is that when you have got to know officer ramos and the family better and officer liu and the family better you realize that they are not just people but great human beings and great people and the things they stood for, they are the best that our society has, and they are police officers. it makes me proud to have been a police officer and fbi agent and 36 years sworn in both positions, and makes me proud that i was one of them. >> tom i have seen you on our air talking about a lot of really, really horrible things unfortunately over the last couple of years, but this is
personal for you, i can tell. this is so thank you, for doing this and you are bringing a sense of what it is like for those of us who again didn't have the honor to serve can understand. i want to go totoer errol louis and tom verni, and what are your thoughts? >> well listening to e dedetek detective liu's family and his wife speak, and like you said you don't have to speak the language to know the raw emotion they are channeling. it is unbelievable tragedy that many of us can't wrap our heads around what took place a couple of weeks ago.
i know that as seen earlier on cnn there were a number of nypd officers that did turn their backs when the mayor was speaking, and then when the police commissioner came up to speak they turned back around, so it is important to note that the officers out of respect for commissioner bratton did turn around and for the entire funeral were faced forward. the only time that some of them did turn around is when the mayor was speaking. >> what do you make of that? >> well, you have to remember that the police are not allowed to strike here in new york. there is a law that prevents them from striking. they are working pour or five years without a contract, and aside from the political rhetoric that mayor de blasio has come out not only as mayor, but as a candidate when he was running for mayor, and also his comments after the no true bill in staten island for the eric garner incident he has come out in a very anti-nypd specifically
set of rethetoric. and the officers, you can't not take that lightly, because this is somebody that you are working for, and aside from the fact ta they are working for years without a contract which in and upon itself is ridiculous, this is the only way that they have a chance as a group to have a silent protest to show their discomfort with the mayor and disagree with him. they are basically giving him a no confidence vote is what it is coming down to. they don't have any confidence in the mayor to prept them in a favorable light -- to represent them in a favorable light, and it is not just based on the perception but on the mayor's actions in the last year or two. >> ander roll -- and errol, you have covered the police department for many years, and new york city and does this strike you as more raw and
intense than in the past? >> well, it is unusual, and not more raw. anybody who was around in 1992 when 10,000 cops essentially rioted on the steps of city hall sort of stormed the building and caricatures and that was a time of very high crime. crime is at a historic lows and as tom points out, there are underlying workplace issues that need to be resolved and not by bill de blasio's making and he has been there for one year and five-year no contract is something that he inherited and trying to e negotiate, and for this department to be as upset as they are speaks to the difficulty of changing the culture of the very large, very respected and very proud organization and there is no question that the change is endorsed by the citizens of new york. they voted in bill de blasio for a reason. this is not some side plank or side print in his agenda,
because it is central for what he ran on, and he won in overwhelming votes to make change. >> and speaking of mayor de blasio blasio he did speak in the funeral in the last hour. i want to play a little bit of what he said. let's listen. >> detective wenjian liu was a brave man. he walked a path of courage. a path of sacrifice and a path of kindness. this is who he was. and he was taken from us much too soon. >> i want to go back to you, tom. as a former member of the nypd and as a detective, when you hear the mayor say that does that make you feel more feel better a about the mayor and the tension that we have seen thus far that he is trying hard
obviously to mend the fences? >> well, it is something that i have not seen in quite a while. i honestly, you know, me, personally, and i think that i speak on behalf of a number of officers, and i can't speak on behalf of the entire department of course but i don't really put a lot of, you know credibility into the words that he came out with. i mean, he is really trying to back pedal as best he can. i think that he knows that on a lot of levels that he, you know spoke, i h think, out of turn and especially after the grand jury made their verdict out of staten island and you can't take back what you said and you can maybe offer the retraction and come back and say, listen maybe i spoke out of turn and maybe not saying that the entire nypd is a bunch of racist storm trooper, because that is what he was saying. what happened in staten island
had nothing to do with the race, and it was an arrest of a career criminal who chose to resist arrest and the officers used physical force to arrest him, and unfortunately result ed ined in that man's death, and that is in part of itself a tragedy. you won't find any officers glad that person died but it is certainly not the result of the officers looking for, and quite frankly, the officers that day were enforcing quality of life law has the mayor and the city council are out there wanting them and demanding they enforce. >> turning away from the politics for a moment and back to the solemnity of the moment. what we are seeing now, and waiting for casket of wenjian liu to come out, and while we do, i want to come back to remarkable and the brave eulogy that his widow, and the two were married for two months gave
during the funeral ceremony. listen to this. >> i thank you for sharing this moment with me. with us. with our family. to reflect the goodness of his soul. and the wonderful man that he is. many of you know as joe, especially at work. but to me he is my soulmate. >> tom, back to you in new york. you know, while you are on the beat, i'm guessing as tom fuentes here in the d.c. studio said to me a short while ago, your family is on pins and needles everyday even though things like this don't happen very often, and you are always in the line of fire and it is your duty and what you do? >> yeah, i had a full head of
hair when i started the police department and for those who have seen me it has taken its toll and i did 22 years in the nypd, and i was a beat cop, and community policing and so the concept of the communeity policing that some people have talked about and maybe trying to e restore here in new york i think it is a fantastic way of policing neighborhoods. it absolutely is. and when it is done correctly, and the nypd unfortunately have lost 7,000 or 8,000 police officers since the time of 9/11 and so the physical bodies that you need to conduct that, it is going to be taking some fancy footwork to reassignment personnel to do that the, but that would be a great way to do that to reconnect with the communities in the city. but either way, whether you are doing the community policing or the narcotics tails or chase canning after gangsters, any time you are walking around, you are a walking target. so until you finish the stint
that you are slated to do whether it is 20 or 25 years in the police department and until you get out and retire do the families breathe a sigh of relief that you are finished and do your duty. >> i can imagine. miguel marquez, back to you at the scene. we are looking at the two flags from the color guard, and the ceremonial and now they are going up so perhaps we are going to be seeing the the casket coming out soon. but miguel, it is cold can and rainy and still packed with people there. >> they are not going anywhere, and this is a solid blue mass that want toss to show the support. the rain has been going on, and it has stopped now shgs, and the trumpeters have come out so we expect "taps" will be played soon. there were a number of things that we learned in the service. the the mayor gave two examples.
clear ly clearly he spent a lot of time with the liu family in the last couple of weeks. clearly a man who loved to fish and when he got a big fish he loved to share it with with the family. and two was the call he went on and there was a call of a man who had fallen and he spoke chinese and when they needed help he would be called in and the man was on the floor and he didn't want to get up or move and liu spent hours with this man and turned out that it was a guy who was elderly and just wanted some company, and liu was more than happy to play along and help this guy up, and those tiny things. and this is a guy who studied accounting but he wanted to become a cop. and he did. bill brotton, the police commissioner spoke about being a cop. he came to the profession late, but the pool was just as strong as someone like brill bratton who joined very, very young. perhaps the most telling sign of this family and the remarkable life was his cousin who said
that we didn't call him wenjian but we called him joe. this is a family that arrived here 20 years ago from china and has become fully american family as we wait for the only son of this family wenjian liu to make his way out of the funeral home here in brooklyn. dana. >> absolutely heartbreaking to watch and think about. and while we are weight, werare waiting, we want to go to another portion of the funeral home and hear from the new york police commissioner bill bratton and hear what he had to say. >> officer liu believed in the possibility of making a safer world. all cops do. it is why we do what we do. and it is why we run towards danger when others run away. we believe in the possibility of keeping disorder controlled.
we believe in the possibility of a city free from fear. >> pretty emotional from him, and at times in watching his speech even somebody who has seen a lot in his many decades on the police forces across the country look like it was hard for him to sort of keep it together understandably given the gravity of the moment and the speech that he had to give for the loss of his rank and file. we are looking at the color guard and the ceremonial moment when wenjian liu's casket comes out of the funeral home to begin a procession in what the re reporters on the scene there have described as remarkable a mile long the sea of people and
not just police officers around the country, but the everyday average new york citizens out there, and sara is out there with the people. sa sara, as they are ready for the moment for the processional and what are you hear prg the people -- hearing from the people on the street there? >> reporter: dana i am here with a group of toronto officers who have collected badges from a group of the people here who have handed them out the the members of the community and not souvenirs, but handing them out as a remembrance of the day, a it was a really good moment. it was a great moment to see the officers first of all from so far away and not even part of this country and the united states interacting with the members of the community who came here from far away places who are here to just pay their
respects and as they wait along the procession line, they are exchange, and the worlds are colliding. it was a sweet moment. mostly you know officers are standing out here. and it is driz canzling on and off, and they are waiting along a packed processional line, and they are waiting to pay their respects. off officers are here from all across the country, and more than 1,100 came in on jetblue for free, but i would venture to say that i would take the guess to say that there are more than 1,100 officers here from out of town. i have seen so many with my own eyes from departments across the country, and not just the officers are here dana and something that i have noticed is that i have seen patrol cars from as far away as ohio. i saw a group of sheriff's deputies on motorcycle who clearly came here from cincinnati out of state, and that is showing that they drove
all of this way on the motorcycles to be here today. i have seen the patrol cars from other states as well not as far away as ohio, but there were a group of motorcycle officers from new jersey today traveling in a group. so we have seen a lot of nuggets that sew that this is really a community event, and when i say "community" i mean not just new york but community of support and community of within new york as well but a lot of moments today that are indicative of why people want to be here. the events in new york in the last couple of weeks, that is part of it. there is a feeling that they need to come here to show support because of the recent events here. that is clear to me. a couple of the officers here who talked to me from out of state and had been members of the nypd prior to leaving the
state told me that they wanted to make it clear that nypd is very diverse, and very diverse and large department. they didn't buy into this idea that there is you know widespread racism. they wanted to come to show and stand alongside their follow officers officers, and show their support because of that reason, and i have to say it is something that is very clear as we stand outside here today. dana, finally, i want to say that it does appear that things are going to be moving along here shortly. as you look down the sea of blue i want to make it clear that this is a very, very long procession line because there is nearly a mile worth of police officers standing here filling up more than half of the street so that they can be here and witness officer wenjian liu's final drive to the final resting place. they are waiting here to pay their final respect ss.
dana? >> and is sara talked about the solidarity as they say, and they all bleed blue. that is very clear in watching these pictures and these images. solidarity is not just about the local police from new york and around the country, but the federal law enforcement. james coalmymey is the drekirector of the fbi, and he spoke. >> i was not lucky enough to know detective liu. but i have listened to other people talk about how deeply he cared about being a police officer. >> and former fbi officer, tom fuentes, why so important for
the director of the fbi to be there to speak? >> well to let people know that it is an international issue, and he represents the federal law enforcement, and it is more than the thin blue line, because all of the international partners stand together the as well. the fbi is a conduit the rest of the world through the legal at ta attache program, and they can get assistance from each other, and it is a worldwide fraternity and not just within the ud or-- within the united states or new york. >> and errol louis, as you look at the pictures the perception of outside of new york city is a rough and tumble place, but when push comes to shove, the new yorkers get together and they hold hands and really there for each other.
i noeknow a lot of the people that we are seeing in these pictures are cops from out of the city but errol, as somebody who has covered new york city, and been a resident of new york city for a long time i'm guessing that is probably not a surprise to you? >> oh no not at all. the thin blue line is pretty thick and long as you can see. i mean, i should mention that my dad is a retired nypd inspector, and my older sister is a retired detective. there are lots and lots of people who have lots and lots of close relationships to the cops. new yorkers are extremely proud of the nypd and it is an important institution in the town. one thing that is important, dana, the protesters who were doing a lot of the "black lives matter" one of the slogans and organizing all over the country, and they inspired sort of a not quite backlash but a parallel movement, and there were lots of people who have been out there doing their own marches in
surprising number of jurisdictions all over to the country, and from massachusetts to utah, to seattle and everywhere in bewean, these sort of spontaneous citizen rallies in sup role for policing. and one of the central democratic institutions in our country. >> and as you said your father was or is on the police force, and what is your opinion in
regard to the national racial tensions? >> well, i called up my dad, and i call him up anyway but i asked him about some of the events and what he thought, and he said that he was surprised that the cops had turned the backs and so forth and he read that as them being ma nup lated by the union relationship in a way that would not have happened in the day. it is fine to be angry with the political leadership and fine to do something about it but you don't do it when you are in uniform, and not because it is the thing to do. these things tend to work themselves out, and his perspective which is valuable is that it ebbs and flows, and the cops get upset about one thing or another, and whether it is creation of the civilian complaint review board which is a hot button issue a generation ago or appointment of the new inspector general which is a recent fight and court fight or the stop and frisk, and now body cameras and other procedural
questions, and it is something that plays out in the public, but it is not supposed to divide the city. as i mentioned here in new york and you have it right up there on the screen there is not so fundamental of a breach that the whole town is going to fall apart. it is the kind of dispute that comes up every so often do we need to tweak it a little bit. my friend tom mentioned eric garner as a career criminal and they would say, he is a guy selling loose cigarettes and trying to scratch outt a living on the wrong side of the law, but you give that guy a ticket a warning. you don't swarm him with six cops and end up killing him, and these are the indkind of fine-tuning questions that need to go on at the the community level. that is where this gets solved andt not so much the politicians. >> no question, err oshgtsol and as
with we await the casket coming out of the funeral home, i want to get back to the human element here as we are seeing a young man slain in the line of duty. and i want to go to what his cousin officer liu's cousin said about him speaking at his funeral earlier today. >> he was the most caring and thoughtful cousin that anyone could have. he would go out of his way to make sure that we were always happy and taken care of. he brought pride and honor to our family. he was a role model for many. myself included. and will continue to be. >> oh. that is just incredible and poignant. miguel marquez is standing outside of the funeral home and he watched the entire funeral, and you are watching the the scene right now, deskribcribe it.
>> oh, it is always tough to take take, the drum corps has just come up from a side street. they have specialized vehicle that they have filled with the flowers from inside of the funeral home with a badge of the city of new york police department and the drum corps may be the most chilling of everything that will happen today as they march down the street, and the steady beat and the steady dirge as they pass the line of blue. several members from inside of the funeral home have come out, and we expect that things have expected to get going here fair fairly soon. it is very, very difficult to watch. impressive in the mile or so that i can see, all blue.
>> jason carroll, thanks so much. donald trump did have a new policy proposal. term limits for members of congress. he's calling for a constitutional amendment. it would take a constitutional amendment that would restrict members to six years of service, senators, 12 years. on monday, they proposed an ethics on when the executive branch leave office. cnn has learned new details about donald trump's preparation for the final debate. a source tells us that rnc chair reince priebus played the moderators with new jersey governor chris christie playing hillary clinton. this is a bit of a change doing mock scenarios. we had been told in the first debate, he did not do this. did not want to do this, apparently coming in nor prepared. hillary clinton, she's been off the campaign trail for several days, raising money and preparing for tonight's debate. in the very first debate she
seemed to be trying to bait trump. at 9:00 p.m. eastern, she is expected to employ a different strategy, according to cnn's jeff zeleny. >> that's right, hillary clinton is getting ready for her final debate with donald trump. she's preparing in a different way. now, she's been actually familiarizing herself with all of those campaign e-mails and previous positions and statements unearthed through the stolen hacked e-mails published by wikileaks. it is a new development in this campaign. something she is preparing for. something she expected donald trump will go after. she will also, i'm told, go after what donald trump is did calling a rigged election. pushing back hard, perhaps as a way to get under donald trump's skin. she's also going to make the case for why she can be the president for all americans. of course, that message is aimed at getting some republicans some moderate voters who may not have
been open for voting for her. but they simply cannot be there for trump. she's trying to make the case today, "a," she's presidential, and "b," even if you don't love her, you still may want to vote for her because donald trump in the eyes of the clinton campaign is simply not fit for president. of course, donald trump will be getting his last licks in. this is the last time before a big audience raising case about honesty and her trustworthiness. with the campaign less than three weeks away from election day. john and christine. >> jeff zeleny for us. the third installment of the debate trilogy is tonight on cnn. we are here now. we'll be here all day long. christine romans. >> thank you so much, john berman. president obama has a message for donald trump, quit whining. the commander in chief calling out donald trump for his repeated claim that's election
is rigged. listen to him mock the gop for what he calls the unprecedented and dangerous attack on the nation's election system. >> that is both irresponsible. and by the way, doesn't really show the kind of leadership and toughness that you want out of a president. you start whining before the game's even over. if whenever things are going badly for you, you start blaming somebody else? then you don't have what it takes to be in this job. >> the president hosted his final state dinner last night welcoming italian prime minister matteo renzi. in his toast on the south lawn he borrowed a line from yogi berra telling the crowd it ain't over 'til it's over. heavyweights for v.p., an e-mail allegedly sent by gop
mike pence. has a list, tim cook, bill gates, mary barra, howard schultz and muhtar kent. with tim kaine this was an early list along with kaine, elizabeth sanders and others made the cut. much snarking on social media. podesta said he organized the list by food groups. those groups were gender and race as well as professional background. will they or won't they? a lot of speculation whether donald trump and hillary clinton will shake hands before tonight's third and final debate. we already know who won't be shaking hands. details ahead on "early start." "credit karma, why are you checking your credit score?"
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hewlett-packard ceo meg williams and 345shg cuban. donald trump has invited president obama's kenyan-born half brother malik. and he will be bringing kristin smith, the mother of sean smith who has held hillary clinton responsible for her son's death. we do not know if hillary clinton and donald trump will shake hands when they walk in. there will be no hand shakes between the candidates' family members. the clinton camp reportedly suggested a new setup at the start. according to the "the new york times," family members will now enter the hall in their assigned seats instead of crossing the stage like you saw there. bill clinton and ivanka and the trump boys. clinton worried about trump pulling off a stunt like packing the audience with bill clinton's
female accusers. "people" magazine is standing by the article that bill clinton sexually assaulted her in 1995. family and friends who corroborate natasha stoynoff's story. look at her, i don't think so. >> john and christine, "people" magnifiering back at donald and melania trump after both of those vigorously denied natasha stoynoff's account of donald trump sexually assaulting her. stoynoff's mentor and former journalism professional paul mclock ineven tweeting this. in 2005 natasha phoned me crying saying trump assaulted her. she is telling the truth.
hash tag natasha stoynoff. when at mar-a-lago, and writing in a "people" magazine article this. she said, we walked into that room alone and trump shut the door behind us. i turned around and within seconds he was pushing me against the wall and forcing his tongue down my throat. stoynoff said she asked her editors to be taken off trump coverage but never came forward publicly until now. she also wrote that she later ran into melania trump on fifth avenue and asking her why they didn't see her anymore. melania denying that to anderson cooper. >> that never happened. she interviewed twice, and for that story, that's it. i did not see her on the street or ask her why we don't see her name. >> "people" releasing a quote for a friend saying she was with
stoynoff for that exact encounter. a friend said they chatted in a friendly way. what struck me the most was melania was carrying a child and wearing heels. melania stands by her denial of this ever happening and still demands an a retraction and apology from "people" magazine. 17 minutes after. the operation for the fight for mosul. iraq's second largest city. how long will this take and are americans forces in harm's way here? we've got a live report from iraq -- next.
the operation to liberate mosing could take two months, that assessment from a kurdish military commander after day two of the offensive. nearly 100,000 troops are marching on iraq's second largest city. their mission to bring an end two more than two years of isis rule there and push the extremist group out of the country for good. we want to go live to erbil, iraq, michael holmes is at the front. >> reporter: yeah, christine, it's moving well, the iraqi and kurdish leadership and also the americans, they're all saying this advance on mosul is on schedule or even ahead of schedule. it's a very are deliberate methodical advance, though. they're taking and clearing territory as they go. and then having to hold it as
well. iraqi forces say they're continuing to liberate towns and villages on route to mosul. in fact, the commander of one division telling cnn that his forces have destroyed, in his words, dozens of suicide vehicles. also saying they've cleared a large number of ieds. and have killed at least 50 isis fighters over the last two days since this offensive began. they also found, and we had heard an these, too, they found networks of tunnels used to transport weaponry. and they found food in one of those tunnels that was still warm. those iraqi forces and kurdish forces working to take on the areas they've taken before moving on closer to mosul. there are perhaps some units perhaps within 10 kilometers of mosul. so they're getting ever closer. as you said, the estimate is perhaps two weeks before
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i'm live at the university of nevada in las vegas. but, we actually have people out here now to watch, to watch this show to join us as we count down to the third and final debate between hillary clinton and donald trump. this could be the last best chance for donald trump to right his ship. to claw his way back into the campaign. you can see the excitement building here on campus. donald trump he is behind the latest round of national polls by a lot in some of those polls. he's also trailing in most of the key battleground states. he made two stops in battleground colorado on his way here. urging his supporters don't believe the polls. and he delivered a kind of dire warning about a possible clinton victory. >> history will record that 2017 was the year that america lost, truly lost its independence. truly lost its independence. and, by the way, this is our
final shot, folks. in four years, it's over. you're never going to be able to win. you're never going to be able to win. it's going to be a one-party system. this is your final shot. >> donald trump is also renewing his pledge to build a wall along the border with mexico. he describes himself to voters in colorado as a unifier. let's get more now from cnn's jason carroll. >> reporter: john and christine, donald trump had very little about the debate to the crowd here in grand junction, colorado, he did say that the debate would be, quote, interesting. certainly, a number of his supporters want him to stay on message during the debate. and while he's out on the campaign trail, having said that a number of gop leaders pushing back on donald trump's unfounded claims that the electoral process is, quote, rigged. they certainly want him to stop talking about it when he's out on the campaign trail. but donald trump kept pushing the idea anyway. >> the moment is going to be
november 8th. it's very simple. and we will -- we've just begun to fight. they even want to try and rig the election at the polling booth where so many cities are corrupt and voter fraud is all too common. then they say, oh, there's no voter fraud in our country. there's no voter fraud. no, there's no voter fraud. take a look at st. louis. take a look at philadelphia. take a look at chicago. then i have even the republicans saying, oh, this is a wonderful -- look. look. if nothing else, people are going to be watching on november 8th. >> reporter: trump holding the media responsible for what he calls that rigged system. saying that the media has been, quote, lying, cheating and stealing, again these are donald trump's words. he also said that the media at this point is worse than his opponent hillary clinton. john, christine.
>> all right, jason carroll, thanks so much. donald trump will unveil a new policy, term limits for congressional amendments that will restrict house terms to six years, senate members to two terms, 12 years. on monday trump proposed a series of ethics reform including a five-year ban on lobbying when members of the executive branch leave office. cnn has learned new details about donald trump's preparation for the final debate here at the university of nevada in las vegas. a source telling us that rnc chair reince priebus played the moderator in final sessions with new jersey governor chris christie playing hillary clinton. this is a mock debate format. the kind of thing he did not like to do before the first debate. interesting that he's doing it now. hillary clinton has been off the campaign trail for several days raising money and preparing for tonight's debate.
in the first debate, she seemed to be trying to bait donald trump. when they square off tonight in several hours from now, she's expected to employ a different strategy. let's get the latest from cnn's jeff zeleny. >> reporter: that's right, hillary clinton is getting ready for her third and final debate with donald trump she's preparing just as much as she did for the first two but i'm told in a very different way. now, she's actually familiarizing herself with all of the campaign e-mails in previous statements that have been unearthed through the stolen hacked e-mails published by wikileaks. it's a new development in the campaign. something she is preparing for. something she expects donald trump will go after. she will also go after what donald trump is calling a rigged election. she'll be pushing back on that hard, perhaps as a way to get under donald trump's skin. she's also going to make the case for why she can be the president for all americans. now, of course, that message is aimed at getting some republicans, some moderate
voters who may not have been open to voting for her but they simply cannot vote for donald trump. overall, that is her objective in tonight's debate trying to make the case, "a," she's presidential. and "b," even if you don't love her, you may still want to vote for her, donald trump in the eyes of the clinton campaign is simply not fit to be president. donald trump will be getting his last licks in. this is the last time before a big audience for raise his case. raising questions about her honestly and truft worthiness without question. tonight's debate will set the stage for the rest of the campaign less than three weeks away from election day. john and christine. >> thank you so much. debate number three is tonight. cnn here now and all day long. christine romans. >> all day and all night. we don't even know what time it is in vegas. we don't even need to know. president obama has a message for donald trump, quit
whining. the commander in chief calling out trump for his repeated claims this election is rigged. obama mocking the gop for what he calls a dangerous unprecedented attempt on the nation's office. michelle kosinski has more. >> hi, john and christine, in case you haven't noticed president obama is happy to speak his mind on donald trump. it's clear that he sees opportunities. listen to what he said yesterday when asked about donald trump's recent comments on a rigged election. >> that is both irresponsible, and by the way, doesn't really show the kind of leadership and toughness that you want out of a president. you start whining before the game's even over? if whenever things are going
badly for you and you lose, you start blaming somebody else? then you don't have what it takes to be in this job. >> president also took a heavy shot, not just at donald trump's praise of russian president vladimir putin but also again for republicans who continue to support donald trump. and as we wind down the days before this election actually happens, we can expect to see, again, president obama and the first lady out on the campaign trail this week. john and christine. >> all right, michelle kosinski. top issue for millennial voters and their parents. stupid loan debt. brand new report shows grads are leaving college with more debt than ever before. here are the grim numbers. the average student loan at graduation is now $30,100. that's up 4% from the last year. that amounts in $300 a month. think about that, these kids are graduating $300 in debt payments every month for ten years.
those averages are higher because that does not include students at for profit colleges. most students at for profit colleges do take out loans and they tend to borough higher amounts. private schools cost families an average of $26,400 last year. v% of median income. the amount of students taking automatic loans for college may have plateaued though. right now, 68% of kids have taken out loans in in 1983, less than half. and top that at 24% at 2012. and hillary clinton inviting two billionaires. real billionaires, not fake billionaires like donald trump, donald trump is bringing a relative of president obama needling the president about his half brother. more on earl"early start" next.
john berman here at the university of nevada in las vegas. where the anticipation is building, along with the crowd. we have at least three, four, five people here maybe. i expect we could get to a dozen by 5:30 eastern time. as the excitement building for tonight. the third and final debate between hillary clinton and donald trump. our thanks to the students for sticking to their study plans and being here to support us on this debate. both candidates, they will be bringing guests to the debate tonight. hillary clinton bringing a couple of billionaires. mark cuban will be there owner of the dallas mavericks. and hewlett-packard ceo meg whitman will be there as well. donald trump invited president obama's kenyan-born half brother malik who is reportedly
supporting donald trump. and donald trump also inviting patricia smith the mother of benghazi victim sean smith. saying she holds hillary clinton responsible for her son's death. donald trump and hillary clinton they did not shake hands prior to the second debate. we do not know if they will or will not tonight. but we do know there will be no handshakes between the candidates' family members beginning at the debate. that is because, reportedly, the clinton campaign requested a new setup. according to the "the new york times" family members will now enter the hall closer to their assigned seats, instead of crossing each other's paths on stage like you're seeing right now. sources tell cnn that the clinton team is worried about a stunt like donald trump pulled in the second debate, seating in the crowd. people who have accused president clinton of past sexual misconduct. christine romans, back to you. a new undercover video
appears to be going democratic operatives of how to have trump supporters in acts of violence. the video suggests that the operatives hired by the dnc may have had a chance in instigating violence. now, two people now out of their jobs as more questions are raised. snrch investigative correspondent drew griffin breaks it all down for us. >> reporter: the undercover videos produced by discredited conservative activist james o'keefe suggested that democratic operatives hired political activists, working in coordination with the dnc to instigate violence and incite reactions at trump rallies. and one of the under cover videos, scott phobele, a subcontractor for a dnc hired firm supposedly describes how he does it. >> it's a script, script of
engagement. sometimes the crazies bite and sometimes the crazy don't fight. the mediaological cover it no matter where it happens. initiating the conflict by having leading conversations with people. and honestly, it is not hard to get some of these assholes to pop off. >> right. >> it's a matter of showing, once you get into a rally in a planned parenthood t-shirt. or trump is a nazi. you know, a you can message to draw them out and draw them to punch you. >> reporter: according to the undercover video it was this man that the democratic national committee turned to, bob creamer is the hunt of jan schakowsky. s he, too, was caught on
undercover video, here is how he was hired by the democratic national committee to stage press conferences wherever the trump campaign showed up. >> wherever trump and pence are going to be at events. >> okay. the. >> we have a whole team across the country that does that, both consultants and people from the campaign. and, you know, my role in the campaign is to make it go away. >> reporter: creamer stepped down from the campaign today and announced his subcontractor scott foval was no longer working for his firm. both the dnc and the clinton campaign denied any coordination with anything involving the incitement of violence. creamer herself told cnn his former contractors were committing barroom talk, insisting none of what is described by foval actually happened. in a statement, creamer writes
we regret the unprofessional and careless hypothetical conversations that were captured on hidden cameras of a regional contractor for our firm. he is no longer working with us. the clinton campaign respond, while project veritas has been known to offer misleading video out of context, some of the language and tactics referenced are troubling. we support the democratic national committee appropriate action addressing this matter and look forward to continue waging a campaign of ideas worthy of our democratic process. james o'keefe is a convicted criminal, they add, with a history of doctoring video to advance his ideological agenda. >> drew griffin, thank you for that. the dnc says there is no evidence that anything described on the tapes actually happened. they will investigate whether james o'keefe broke the law to get the undercover recordings. and the partnership said it was
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rbil from michael holmes. >> reporter: christine, as both iraqi and kurdish forces move closer to mosul what they're doing is a very deliberate, methodical advance taking in villages as they go. what we're hearing obviously shows such clearing is not an exact science. we just had a disturbing report in the last hour or so. that some iraqi soldiers, we don't know exactly how many have in fact been surrounded by isis fighters. this is near a village about 15 miles south of mosul. we're still checking into the details of that. the feeling is that they went through some villages, kept on moving, but isis fighters were left behind. perhaps fighting in those villages. came up behind them, surrounding them at the moment. still obviously a very dangerous situation and waiting to get more information on that. however, the iraqi command this is that they're going to
continue to liberate towns on their way to mosul. in fact, the commander of one division told cnn that his forces have destroyed dozens of suicide vehicles. they've cleared a large number of i ed and bobby traps and killed at least 50 fighters in the last two days. they've also, and this possibly ties into what happened with these soldiers now reportedly surrounded. there are these networks of tunnels that are in these toungs and villages, reportedly right throughout mosul as well, used to transport fighters and weaponry around the battlefield. reports that food found in one of those tunnels was still warm. so you can get a sense of what's going on underground. and the key now is to hold those areas they've taken, before they can move closer on to mosul. as you said, it's perhaps two weeks before they're told everything is likely in place to assault mosul itself. and then once inside the city. the battle itself to retake it could take two months and
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of chicago and the south side cultural sent, thank you for having us. [ applause ] thanks for joining us tonight, happy friday. nice to have you with us. look at this awesome picture from 1968. i love every single thing about this picture. this is the central middle school band from orville, california. this is the majorettes part of the band and they are marching through downtown orville, california, on may 1, 1968. this picture is perfec and this picture the property of the california department of water resources. the reason the california department of water resources had a photographer on site taking pictures that day of the majorettes in orville is because that day the governor of california and his wife came too orville, california, to tour a really big awesome new piece of water structure the california
governor at the time was ronald reagan. he and his wife nancy went to orville for the dedication of the brand new orville dam. it looks kind of fun. they got to go inside the dam, see in the white sneakers with the super cute hair cut? that's ron, jr., he got to go along with an unnamed friend. looks like they were having a good time. looks like a cool visit. ronald reagan made a speech. you can see next to him while he was giving the speech they had the big cooler of water. just in case. there had been a big parade downtown to welcome to governor and dignitaries. they had not just the majorettes from the middle school, they had the high school band, too. look how many people were there. look at that. thousands of people turned out for the dedication of the oroville dam. i think we have one picture of the crowd in color as well.
look at that. who are the ladies in green? what was their role in the dedication? you look at photos like that it makes you realize being a governor has its ups and down. at the one hand you get to see stuff, take your family and go on cool behind-the-scenes tours, the local bands will come out to meet you when you do something. then there's the little indignities, right? this, for example, is what they gave ronald reagan as his soenirrom that day at the dedication. i know it kind of looks like a snow globe or a polished piece of granite or something. what that actually is is a ball of dirt. specifically it is dirt from this moment in history. ronald reagan was there in 1968 for the opening ceremony of the oroville dam but this was the
moment they ceremonially broke ground on the construction. this was 1957. this was a previous governor of california, goodwin knight. everybody called him goodie knight, as in good night. he's got a shovel full of dirt there. somebody at the ground breaking had the foresight to save that exact shovelful of dirt they dumped it into a bag, saved it for the day the dam would be complete and up and running. they could have saved a little of it but they saved a lot of it. they saved a giant amount of dirt from that shovelful and gave it to ronald reagan. they sent ronald reagan back to the governor's mansion that day with a giant jar of a previous governor's dirt.
thanks for visiting, mr. governor, give it pride of place somewhere. like if you moved into a new apartment and the landlord triumphantly handed you the vacuum bag from the old tenant. here's the original dirt from the former occupants of these rooms. congratulations. pride of place. but the oroville dam, they dedicated in the 1968. it's a big deal. it's huge, it's taller than hoover dam. it's the tallest dam in the united states. it's 770 feet tall. it was completed in 1968, took them almost a decade to build. it's one of those unimaginably large things we have made. you can see here the giant reservoir created when they built the dam, lake oroville one of the two biggest reservoirs in the state of california. and that reservoir, lake oroville, it's the central thing in the grand plan that made california work as a state with a huge population and big cities and tons of irrigated formland. this is the centerpiece of the
whole system in california that moves water from the northern part of the state the sierra nevada into the central valley to irrigate the most productive farmland in the country and further down to the cities and population centers in southern california, lake oroville is massive. it is made possible because the oroville dam is massive, tallest dam in the country. now, in terms of sort of how it's situated, this gives you a good view, i think. you see below the dam is the feather river. the feather river, big river, flows into -- i think the sacramento river which ultimately flows into the san francisco bay at the end of the day. and what they do is they can release water from that giant reservoir into the feather river. they can do in the a few different ways. one of the things they've got is a power plant at the base of the dam so they release water at great force to fire that hydroelectric power plant. they can release water through tunnels at the base of the dam, they had a drama with that a couple years ago. they were trying to open up the tunnels to let water through to the feather river and something went wrong and there was a giant suction failure with the opening and closing of the valves and two workers almost got stucked downstream and they had to hold on to some broken piece of railing they were able to grab
on to. it's a good reminder this is like a big piece of infrastructure, a lot of water, a very, very powerful thing. but in terms of the way it fits together, there's a couple ways they can get water from the reservoir to the feather river below. they can move it through power plant. if they want to move water out of the reservoir down into the river, they use this big gutter. they use this big concrete spillway. looks kind of like a luge track or something, right? like a cross between an onramp and a ski jump. but it's a big concrete spillway and it does exactly what it looks like it does. it takes water off the top of the reservoir and can shoot it down that gutter into the feather river and it's really big. it's about a mile long. it's maid of concrete, a key
part of this huge piece of american infrastructure. this is what it looks like in normal times when it's dry, when they're not using the spillway. this is what it looks like in normal times when it's on, when they are putting water down that spillway, very dramatic, right? but on tuesday afternoon this week, this is what it looks like again, normal times, tuesday afternoon this week something went wrong at the oroville dam and instead of the spillway looking like this, like it always does, like it has since ronnie and nancy reagan opened that up in 1968, for the first time ever this tuesday it did not look like that. instead it looked like -- oh, wait, that's not right. that's not what that's supposed to look like. that was tuesday afternoon. see it shooting out the side there? yeah. tuesday afternoon they realized something was going very wrong on that spillway. water shooting out, scouring down that hillside, the water not confined to the gutter, what's going on? they shut it off to have a look and what they saw is -- oh, this is what it looked like. this was tuesday of this week. see the giant hole there?
that's a problem, basically a giant sinkhole opened up in the middle of this that spillway. every second they're going to put more water down that sluice it will erode that sinkhole more and more so they shut off the water initially. here's the thing, though, they can't keep that water shut off because even though that giant hole has opened up in that spillway, they actually have to run water down that spillway right now. they can't stop. because like oroville at the top, it's full? as of today it was 98% capacity. california is not having a rainy season this year, they are having a monsoon season and, oh, yeah, let's see what that means for the drought. i know, big questions about overall climate and weather and california's drought and all that stuff. but for the immediate problem at hand, if they can no longer run water down that spillway because the spillway is busted, if they can no longer run water down that spillway to relieve the pressure in the lake, if the
lake fills up and overfills and overtops that dam, if that happens, the water doesn't run down the tidy little purpose built concrete shute into the feather river below, if it overtops the dam, instead for the first time in the history of this dam, where the water goes is what they call down the emergency spillway which is not really a spillway at all, it just means the water just comes down the hill. and if all that water runs down the hill at force it will at some point bring the hillside down with it into the feather river and eventually into the sacramento river and into the delta and out to the san francisco bay. there's the possibility that an uncontrolled flow could flood downstream towns all along the way. so this is a heck of a choice, right? you either shut down the water down that spillway, let the dam get overtopped and run instead down the hillside all the way downstream and see what happens to california or you keep thundering water down that
broken sinkhole concrete gutter and see how long it holds. it started off as a 300 foot long gash, it's kept on spreading and spreading, look. they say presumably it will split down to the bed rook. but what are you going to do? they have to keep running water down that thing. they don't have a choice so they're running the destroyed spillway. they're running it to complete failure. hope for the best, the best option. pray for dry days. this happened to be the drinking water source for more than 20 million people in the state of california. now, the dam itself, they say the dam itself is safe. the dam they say is built into bedrock, even if that whole hillside gets scoured out, continues to get blown apart, they say the dam will hold, they're confident of that, that's good, because it's almost an 800 foot tall dam, tallest
dam in the country. but i feel like grasp ago story like this is almost a test of perspective, a test of whether or not you can appreciate the size of large objects in the news. my dad, my dear old dad, worked in the california water system for years in various capacities and he's been texting and e-mailing me about this all week so i've been looking at news coverage all week, looking at pictures on the california department of water resources web site all week and i could tell when i saw the pictures of the spillway something dramatic was wrong. i will confess to you, dad, i will confess to you right now, i do not truly appreciate what a
literally big deal it was. what a large deal it was until i saw this one particular picture and at first glance it looks like the same old picture of that hole in the middle of the spillway until you realize that the tiny little yellow dot there is a full grown man and that shows you the scale of this thing. that's people inside there. that's how big that hole started out as. and that's -- okay, now i get it. that's the massive size of the undertaking it is going to be to fix this thing when it's over even if they somehow avoid catastrophic flooding or danger to the dam itself through this crisis. 's like in king kong where you know you're dealing with a big ape, you know he's big, that's the pl of the movie, then you see him on the empire state building and you're like, oh! that's how big he is! so we will keep an eye on this tallest dam in the country and its travails through tonight and into the weekend.
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"washington post" story. at one level, i can appreciate this story looks like -- oh, i've heard something about this. the sinkhole is spreading a little further, right? seems like an incremental development and the ongoing concerning news about the new administration and its ties to russia. feels like an incremental little shift in something we've been watching for a long time. but if you can step back from this story, look at it fresh, array some news stories we understand for the purpose of gaining perspective on it, i think what this new development is about the national security advisor is basically like an 800 foot tall dam that's about to be overtopped. this is not a little marginal development in a medium-sized story. this is like an, oh, my god, you can't run water down this thing, what do you mean we have no choice, she's gonna blow. we have congressman adam schiff from the house intelligence committee joining us live to give us his perspective on this story. he said if this new development, if this new report is true, the
national security advisor must be fired. so he obviously thinks it's a big deal. but let me break it down this way. basic revolution is sort of simple and stubbing when you boil it down. right after christmas this year when barack obama was still president the u.s. government announced sanctions against russia in retaliation for them interfering in our presidential election. you might remember they took back that waterfront compound that had been used by russian intelligence in maryland and they kicked a bunch of russian diplomats out of the country immediately with no notice. at the time we expected real -- retaliation, a tit for tat reaction between either the soviet union and us and russia and us. so the obama admistration did their sanctions, kicked the diplomats out on the 28th of december and we braced on the
28th of december to hear what russia was going to do in response. but they did nothing on the 28th. then on the 29th there was this entire day in which they also did nothing and then when they did announce their response on the 30th, their response was we're not going to respond the kremlin responded that it would be sad for the kids from the families of the diplomats to be in transit. he explained he wouldn't be doing it the forral retaliation, he would not expel american diplomats from russia. in fact, american diplomats and their families, their children in particular would be welcome at the kremlin to come to his vladimir putin christmas party. it was so weird. but here's where the "washington post" picks up the story "putin's muted response took white house officials by surprise. it triggered a search by u.s. spy agencies for clues.
one former senior u.s. official tells the "pos," something happened in those 24 hours between obama's announcement and putin's response. officials began poring over intelligence reports, intercepted communications and diplomatic cables. they found evidence that trump national security adviser mike flynn and the russian ambassador to the united states had communicated by text and telephone around the time these sanctions were announced. now, one of the nice things about this reporting is we get this kind of blunt admission that "u.s. intelligence and law enforcement agencies routinely monitor communications with russian diplomats." okay. i mean, i guess we guessed that, but that's good to have bluntly in black and white. one of the other nice things about this reporting is this blunt force take it to the bank assertion by the "washington post" that their sources on this store "nine rrent and former officials." nine. nine. were in senior positions at multiple agencies at the time of
the calls. the "new york times" similarly cites multiple federal officials who "have read transcripts of the call." so we've got u.s. intelligence and law enforcement agencies bugging the russians, right? listening in on this russian official's calls and what they hear, according to these multiple and multily corroborated reports is the man who's going to go on to be trump's national security advisor calling the russian government and essentially telling them "don't worry about these sanctions that the u.s. government is putting on you." he's calling russia to undermine the sanctions that president obama has put on russia for the attack on our presidential election. he told russia in essence don't bother reacting to these sanctions, don't worry about it, once trump is sworn in we'll take care of it. now, working secretly with a foreign power to undermine the actions of the u.s. government,
that's kind of a big deal. even the trump folks recognize somebody doing that would be kind of a big deal. they recognized it enough that they took great pains to deny the heck out of this for weeks now. >> the subject matter of sanctions or the actions taken by the obama administration did not come up in the conversation. >> they exchanged logistical information on how to initiate and schedule that call. that was it. plain and simple. >> they did not discuss anything having to do with the united states' decision to expel diplomats or impose censure against russia. those elements were not part of that discussion. >> i can confirm, my credibility on the line. so this white house chief of staff, white house spokesman, vice president of the united states personally confirming ere's no way mike flynwould have crossed that line. there's no way he would have undermined the u.s. government
with a foreign power. there's no way he would have talking about those sanctions and undermining the impact of those sanctions with the russians. no way. as of wednesday this week, mike flynn was still confirming to the "washington post" that he absolutely did not speak about those sanctions with russia. but then when the "post" went back to him with this nine-source reporting all but explicitly quoting what we now know, transcripts of the u.s. intelligence intercepts of that phone call, then, last night, mike flynn apparently changed his mind. now says i know that i previously said i definitely didn't talk about sanctions. now i don't remember if i talked about sanctions. bottom line, how big is this? is this a marginal development in this story we've all been watching? first thing to appreciate is the lying. either the white house spokesman, the white house chief of staff and the vice president all bluntly lied knowingly about mike flynn and what he was doing with russia or they lied
inadvertently, unknowingly because they were saying something they thought was true because mike flynn told them a lie and they passed it on thinking it was true. either way, that can't stand, right? that seems like a big deal for the top people in a brand new administration. you're going to lie to me and have me take it to the american public and it makes it look like i'm lying or you're asking me to lie on your behalf and i do and get nailed for it? point one, the lying. second point to appreciate is the direct bottom line of this story which is that the senior national security advisor in this new administration personally interfered in u.s. government efforts to punish russia for interfering in our election. but in terms of assessing the size of this news, there's one last point that's starting to feel almost unappreciably big. and that's what i want to put to congressman adam schiff in just a moment because of his experience on the intelligence committee and it is this.
buried in the seventh paragraph of the "washington post" story and in the fourth paragraph of the "new york times" story, buried well below the lead is the news that this discussion between mike flynn and the russian government undermining u.s. policy toward russia, undermining the u.s. effort to punish russia, undermining these sanctions, it wasn't stand alone thing. it was not the first of many conversations that have continued since the new administration was sworn in and he's become national security advisor. no, that wasn't the start of them talking. both papers are now reporting again with this sourcing that is deep, both papers where now reporting that mike flynn's contacts with the russian government started during the campaign. not since he's been national security advisor. not since the transition aftertrump was elected when the obama administration was still technically there but trump was on his way in but while trump was still running for president, during the campaign, while russia was interfering in the u.s. election to try to elect
donald trump president, his top national security advisor on the campaign was in repeated contact with the russian government at that time. look, this is from the post. "the talks were part of a series of contacts between flynn and the russian official which began before the november 8 election." here's the "times," "current and former american officials says the conversation about sanctions was one in a series of contacts that began before the election." during the campaign while russia was interfering in the election, the trump campaign was in contact with the russian government. we're now confirming? really? okay. well, cnn reports tonight that american intelligence officials have corroborated some of the disputed dossier that was assembled about trump in russia by a former british spy who has now disappeared. if you recall this very controversial dossier which was published by buzzfeed news
contained two main allegations -- one was that the russian government had allegedly collected damaging compromising personal information about donald trump that was of a salacious and personal nature. the other main allegation in that dossier was that the trump campaign colluded with the russian government while they interfered in our presidential election. cnn reports tonight intelligence officials, u.s. intelligence officials who have been investigating that dossier, they have now corroborated parts of it. again, the two parts are the salacious personal stuff or donald trump's campaign collaborated with the russian government while he interfered in our election. cnn reports tonight the part that has been corroborated by u.s. intelligence is not the salacious personal stuff. so that leaves -- we should note that the white house is indisputg cnn's reporting tonight. they're calling it fake news. but that's where we are. is part of the reason we got this new president not just because some foreign government
tried to make that happen? is part of the reason we got this new president because his campaign worked with a foreign government to influence the outcome of our election, to make that outcome happen? if so, it feels to me like that's not a sinkhole. that's not a busted spillway or eroded hillside. to me that feels like blowing the dam.
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we've learned in the last 24 hours ago by reporting from the "washington post," "new york times" and nbc news confirming that despite repeated denials from him and other administration official, national security advisor mike flynn spoke with the russian government about the u.s. sanctions on them for undermining our presidential election. he reportedly undermined the impact of those u.s. sanctions on russia by communicating secretly with the russian government before donald trump took office. the "times" and the "post" are reporting with multiple sources that general flynn was in contact with the russian government during the presidential campaign which raises questions as to whether or not the trump campaign may have been collaborating with a foreign government while that foreign government was making efforts to interfere with and influence the outcome of our
election. asked about this blockbuster new reporting tonight, the president said -- well i'm paraphrasing here but he basically said "the what now?" >> i don't know about it. i haven't seen it. what report is that? >> reporter: the "washington post" is reporting that he talked to the ambassador from russia before you were grated about sanctions. >> i haven't seen that. i'll look at that. >> 2 question now is once the president looks at that, do we expect him to do anything about it? joining us now is congressman adam schiff, the ranking member of the house intelligence committee, congressman schiff, appreciate you being here on a friday night, thanks for your time. >> good to be with you, rachel. >> i'm grappling with the size of this report. i feel like it's easy to see this as another incremental story in a slowly growing thing that a lot of people are concerned about at the one level. on the other hand it feels like a very big bad story. what's your assessment of how
damaging and worrying this is. >> it's enormously damaging and worrying. you set up the context so well and i have to say you do a marvelous job in putting it together and letting the american people just see how big this is. you know, from my perspective, the context is as simple as this -- the intelligence community found that russia interfered in our election with the purpose of helping elect donald trump and having achieved that objective you have one of trump campaign's foremost surrogates, general flynn, having a private conversation with the russian ambassador around and having achieved that objective you have one of trump campaign's foremost surrogates, general flynn, having a private conversation with the russian ambassador around the time that president obama announces sanctions to punish russia for that very interference and flynn reportedly says don't worry about the sanctions on you for helping us win. once we take office we'll take care of it. if that's true, it's absolutely staggering. it certainly ought to result in his immediate removal from office and if the further actions are true that this was a course of conduct throughout the campaign then you have very
serious legal violations as well and that is something we are investigating on the intelligence committee and we have to get to the bottom of. >> in terms of the legal issues here, some people have been talking about the fact that general flynn, when these contacts happen during the transition he was a private citizen although it was clear he was about to be a public official, people are talking about whether that violated the logan act which is a prohibition on individual private citizens undermining the u.s. government with foreign contacts. that's a law that's never been prosecuted even though we'ad it on the books since the 1700s. when you say there may be legal issues here, is that what you're talking about or are there other potential difcult statute to prosecute. i think there would be heavy
burden to make that kind of case. what may be more significant here in addition to the fact that the general flynn would be working against the u.s. national security interest is the fact that he misled the country about it afterwards. in that case, the coverup may be the worst element but the illegality i'm talking about is if the trump campaign during the course of the campaign, including michael flynn, was collaborating with russia to interfere in our election, all kinds of laws were violated and that will have very serious repercussions. that is among the most serious allegations we're investigating. >> is that espionage? is that treason? is that -- are those the kinds of categories of laws we're talking about then? >> it's possible that it comes out to that. there frankly will be a number of statutes that would be implicated that would be far eastier to prove than those exceptional ones but if effectively the trump campaign
was colluding in the illegal hacking of information, the illegal publication of information, the theft of data, was receiving essentially in-kind support from a foreign adversarial power there are any number of laws violated so if those allegations prove to be true, stepping down from office will be the least of worries from trump administration officials. >> congressman adam schiff of california. this is serious stuff. thank you for being so clear and straightforward and calm in your discussion about it. i get my hair on fire about this stuff but i feel like you are a beacon here, thanks, sir. very busy night, stay with us.
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she's being described as the first person reported as a result of president trump's orders, his executive order that ice should priorities deportations for anyone with any kind of criminal record, no matter what it is. in her case, her crime was using a made up social security number so she could work at a local water park -- a decade ago. she's been following the rules since then, checking in with ice every year, every six months, wherever they tell her to, she checks in. on wednesday when she checked in as she always has they arrested her and these protests erupted while her husband and kids waited outside. now it seems like her arrest and deportation may be the start of something bigger. after we saw that really emotional footage on wednesday night, all day thursday we started hearing rumors and reports that ice officers, that immigration and customs enforcement officers, started rounding people up that they rounded up over 100 people in
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confirming what activists have been saying and what ice, what the trump administration has been officially denying. the leader of the california state senate late tonight responded this way. "appreciate that ice finally disclosed details about their disclosed details about their recent raids but stunned to learn that ice's public comments made yesterday were blatantly recent raids but stunned to learn that ice's public comments made yesterday were blatantly false. when news first broke of raids happening across southern california i didn't do ice told the media that reports of 100 immigrants being arrested were grossly exaggerated yet today they admit they arrested 160 people. ice told numerous media outlets that yesterday was a routine day, which it most clearly was not, and they have yet to disclose the crimes each person was convicted of to support their arrests. the disconnect out of what was publicly disclosed today is deeply troubling and needs to be fully explained by the trump administration." joining us now is kevin de leone, the california senate
leader who issued that statement following these not just unannounce bud officially denied raids across his state. senator de leone, thank you for joining us. appreciate your time. >> thank you, rachel. we turn the federal government for an explain nation about the scale, the motivation and the results of sudden actions like this. in this case it feels like we can't trust what the government is telling us about their actions, what do you understand of the facts of what have happened in the last 48 hours or so. >> rachel, it's been difficult to get information out from ice authorities. historically under the obama administration they have been forth come and transparent with who they are detaining, who they're deporting and the reasons why. with the trump administration it's a new attitude, it's overly aggressive, a new tone and tenor and we're concerned because we tried incessantly last night to get the facts, to get the the fa in fact, i believe even worse, that they were misleading the public. i find it quite agalling that
they attempted to lecture the public when it came to a sense of public misleading of what was actually happening yesterday. but it's been very difficult given a new trump administration. they're very overly aggressive with what they're doing and they said they did not arrest 100 individuals. in fact, we find out today it was actually 160 iividuals. >> onef the things that we saw -- we're showing footage while you're speaking about the spontaneous protests that happened last night in los angeles, people reacting in anger and clearly in surprise to what had happened. one of the other things that we're seeing is there's, for example, a pledge that people are taking called here to stay, where people are basically pledging to bodily put themselves on the line to try to stop people from being deported,
to try to block arrests, to try to help people evade the authorities or to put themselves in the way while these arrests are happening. do you have any reaction to that? do you understand the impetus for that? do you feel like that might drive confrontation here? >> well, i can tell you this, rachel, that there is a lot of fear, there's a lot of panic throughout the community, not just in los angeles, but throughout california and throughout the nation. there's a lot of consternation. the anxiety is extremely high, especially among children who are fearful that they may not, no longer see their mothers or their fathers. children are being dropped off at school and are fearful that come in the afternoon that standing at the curbside waiting for their mother or father, they may not actually appear. panic and anger is so high that there has been talk about human shields, about ordinary u.s. citizens actually protecting nannies, gardeners, people who clean our homes and take care of our children and creating this sort of human chain to protect them.
i don't condone this type of comportment, but i understand why the anxiety, the consternation is so high here in california. >> state senator kevin de leon, the california state senate president, thanks for your time tonight, sir. keep in touch with us about this. >> absolutely, thank you. >> we need good sources of information as this and i am as troubled as you are that we can't get it from the federal government. thank you. >> thank you, rachel. the weekend has not officially arrived yet, and already i can tell you next week is going to be jam-packed. i can tell you some of what's going to be jam-packed into it. stay with us.
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okay, the guy behind the camera here, who you don't see, the guy holding the camera, is the constituent. the guy in fnt of the camera, the unhappy person right in the center of the frame, that's the congressional staffer. >> are you authorized to speak for representative zeldin? >> i am speaking for him right now, letting you know -- >> okay. so, the affordable care act, one of the provisions is that insurance companies have to dedicate 85% of your premium to actually delivering health care. does representative zeldin support or oppose that part of the affordable care act? >> i can get that information. >> okay. the affordable care act guarantees that women cannot be charged more for their premiums than men. does representative zeldin support or oppose that part of the affordable care act? >> again, i can get you that information. >> okay. the affordable care act
guarantees that children can stay on their parents' health care until they're 26. does representative zeldin support or oppose that part of the affordable care act? >> all i can say is that -- >> you know where i'm going with this. >> we do see where you're going with this, staffer trapped in front of the ladies' room there. that's what it's been like with constituents expressing themselves toward, in this case, new york republican congressman lee zeldin. today, the congressman canceled a town hall two months in advance of when it was supposed to happen in april because i think he is not particularly liking what it means for him and his staff to hear from his constituents these days. but you know what, i wanted to show you that clip of that confrontation over the affordable care act. i think it shows that people in general are getting very good at being very articulate about obamacare all of a sudden, right? whatever the fights in past had been about, right? with the people on the right saying, oh, it's socialized medicine and death panels and stuff, and people in support of it not necessarily being able to be that snappy.
people all of a sudden are really good about articulating what's good about the affordable care act when they're talking to their member of congress, when they're talking to congressional staffers. this, for example, was last night in tennessee. >> my name is jessie, and i'm in your district. it's from my understanding the aca mandate requires everybody to have insurance because the healthy people pull up the sick people, right? and as a christian, my whole philosophy in life is pull up the unfortunate, okay? so, the individual mandate, that's what it does. the healthy people pull up the sick. if we take those people and we put them in high-risk insurance pools, they're costlier and there's less coverage for them. that's the way it's been in the past and that's the way it will be again. so, we are effectively punishing our sickest people. >> that was at a meeting last night in tennessee with republican congresswoman diane
black. people are getting very good at putting their member of congress on the spot about health care right now. and for people who want to save the affordable care act, that skill is about to become important, way more important than it's even been thus far, because last night at 2:15 in the morning, the senate confirmed tom price to be the new health secretary. zero democratic votes. 2:15 a.m. seems about right for that vote. i'm sure it helps to have zero attention, zero audience on a vote like that, particularly thanks to tom price's ethics problems, his lots and lots and lots of ethics problems. but if republicans in congress have had a hard time sort of getting it together to start taking away health care yet -- they haven't even come up with a way to explain it to their constituents yet -- swearing in tom price today is expected to put some steam in that republican engine. so, tom price has been sworn in. in terms of what happens next in the cabinet, republicans could
be voting tomorrow on treasury secretary steve mnuchin, if they wanted to, but they're taking the day off instead. they said they would work through the weekend. they're not working through the weekend, so expect a steve mnuchin vote on monday. that's also when we expect protests nationwide over the president's pick of labor secretary, the man whose pick of carl's jr. and hardee's, larry puzner. it will begin with protests in two dozen cities, protesters highlighting labor violations and discrimination cases at puzner's only company while he's been ceo. their contention is he's unfit to be in charge of labor laws for the country when he's been breaking them as a businessman. the following day on tuesday, a court in missouri will decide whether or not to unseal his divorce records from back in the day. the government watchdog is asking that those records should be unsealed because they reportedly include claims of domestic violence made by mr. pudzner's ex-wife towards him. he's denied the allegations and
coastal city of sinpo, home to north korea's submarine base, u.s. pacific command saying it was a failure, almost immediately after launch. and what i have experienced in the past when i'm inside this count country, it's never reported in the state-controlled media. of course a successful launch would be a lead story with pictures of the north korean leader overseeing the event. given that this appears to be -- this test appears to be a failure, probably most north koreans, the vast majority, will never know that it happened, ana. >> and, will, explain the difference between this failed launch and an actual nuclear test. >> reporter: so north korea has conducted a number of missile launches since the beginning of last year, three dozen missile tests. it's fairly easy for north korea to fire these. they probably don't have a warhead inside the trajectory, has them falling in the waters off the korean peninsula. there was a simultaneous missile
launch last month where three missiles landed within 200 nautical miles of the coast prompting a coastal village to do north korean missile drills for the first time they've had mi missile drills since world war ii. so certainly troubling for the citize citizens? gentlem in japan. there's a lot of people looking at the radar to monitor these missile launches. nuclear tests are different. these are conducted at an underground nuclear test site. they dig these tunnels deep into the mountains and they can withstand a nuclear explosion. we've seen the size of north korea's nuclear explosions according to analysts looking at things like seismic activity because these create an artificial earthquake essentially. the explosions are getting bigger. north korea is trying to develop a larger nuclear weapon. when the tests happen, the u.s. and south korea and china will send up sniffer planes and they'll put out radiation
detection equipment to try to see if radiation has seeped into the outside environment. in previous tests they have been contained to that tunnel area. the north koreans looked closely at what president trump did when he dropped that moab, the mother of all bombs on the tunnels in afghanistan because in some quarters here it was perceived possibly as a threat that the u.s. may try to drop a similar bomb on underground tunnels in north korea. they wonder would the u.s. actually try to attack their nuclear test site, is that one of the strategic targets that could come into play? this really is -- things are always it tense on the korean peninsula. this is the most tense that i've ever experienced in 11 trips to this country. and we really don't know how the trump administration will respond and what kim jong-un is going to do. >> we do know that the president of the u.s., president trump, has been briefed on this latest missile launch that failed, and
we he are expecting a statement from the white house any moment. as soon as we have that, of course, we will bring that to our viewers here. in the meantime vice president mike pence is en route right now to seoul, south korea. he's expected to land there in a few hours. paul his there. how are they responding to this new development? >> we know there's going to be a national security council meeting in it a little less than half an hour. this is a meeting where all the top leaders of the country will be trying to figure out what kind of response they can give to north korea. clearly they've had a lot of experience and practice of this. it's very difficult to see what kind of different statement we will see. they always say in the past they have a readiness posture. they say they will strongly respond if this continues but, of course, it's very difficult to see what they can do beyond that and, of course, keep in mind there is political stalemate in this country at this point. there isn't a full president.
there's jups an acting president as the previous one has been imprisoned on a corruption scandal this is a very tricky situation that the vice president pence is arriving in. the fact that the people he will be meeting, the acting president, won't even be in power in a few weeks' time. but certainly what the south koreans want at this point is guarantees, continued guarantees that we saw from the secretary of state, from the defense secretary in recent weeks, that the united states is going to stick by south korea. ana? >> paula hancocks and will ripley reporting from both south korea and north korea. we appreciate it. stay with us. back here in the u.s. the threat posed by north korea still looms over the trump white house. i want to bring in my panel now. cnn military analyst and retired l lieutenant general, cnn intelligence and security analyst and form earp cia operative, and from the world
policy institute jonathan crystal. jonathan, somebody asked president trump if the massive bombing in afghanistan that will ripley referred to this week was a message to north korea. we heard will say some of the people in north korea certainly thought it was a message to them. well, this was the president of the u.s.'s answer. >> will this send a message to north korea? >> i don't know if it sends a message t. doesn't make any difference if it does or not. north korea is a problem. the problem are be taken care of. >> so, jonathan, what was your reaction when you heard that? >> i don't think it's news. dropping a bomb on a country that we have been bombing regularly going after terrorist groups and taliban fighters, the fact that it's a larger bomb i don't necessarily tie those two things together. now it could be that we're showing the north koreans what we have in terms of our armaments and what we're willing to use. just as they are doing.
north korea when they conduct missile tests, part of this is to show this is what we're able to do. we will be able to target bases nearby. we haven't seen evidence of that yet. that's the message they're trying to send when they assassinated kim jong-un's half-brother. a part of that was to show we have vx nerve gas and we're willing to use that. both sides have an interest in showing what they are capable of doing. and with the hope that it actually alleviates the tension and allows people to walk back. >> so, general hurtling, when we were hearing from will that these nuclear test sites are underground, it does make you think about why they use this moab, the mother of all bombs in afghanistan because there were caves and tunnels, could the u.s. military use that kind of weapon to attack the nuclear
sites in north korea? >> i'll push back a little bit on this, ana, and say they certainly could but it wouldn't be effective and it would not be the weapon that you would use to hit some of the tunnels and some of the complexes in north korea but there are other weapons systems the u.s. has that could certainly do that. this whole discussion of the m.o.a.b. has been interesting to me because i know why they use ed it in that particular area against that particular target and it was really coincidental that it occurred right at the same time this event was occurring in north korea and right after the missile strike in korea. it had no connection whatsoever. this was a tactical command earp's call on the ground. now that's the reality. the perception and the second and third order, if other countries believe that we would use weapons like this and certainly it does send a message but that was not the intent in this particular situation.
i'm sure of that. >> bob, could north korea launch some kind of a nuclear test now after this failed missile launch to save face? >> yes, i do, ana, and i think they will. as the president goes on about taking on north korea with or without the chinese, the north koreans, normal reaction will be to keep going and keep going stronger and we will continue launching nuclear weapons. our problem is, and i keep on going back to this is absence of intelligence. we do not have sources in north korea. it all has to be done remeetly from satellites. their army is quite remarkable. it can move divisions without us detecting them until the last minute. so whether they will or not is a supposition on all of our parts but my guess is as long as the rhetoric stays the way it is, they're going to set up a
nuclear test very soon. >> and i want to go back to will for that because i know, will, you have been there on the ground this past week, and you have witnessed and heard of other military movement from north korea. what do we know about the preparations that have been happening very recently leading up to a potential nuclear test? >> reporter: well, we are not allowed to get close to the nuclear test site but the satellite imagery from a couple days ago had showed vehicles, personnel, equipment at that nuclear test site leading people who have been observing this nuclear test site for quite some time to -- their analysis shows they believe it's primed and ready for a sixth nuclear test. as far as responding to actions by the united states, we heard some very strongly worded responses to the "uss carl
vincent," which isn't anything new. north korea has many times threatened a nuclear attack to rain fire on the united states and its allies. so that's not new. what is new there was a special forces operation that pyongyang conducted last week. it was the same day that we saw the images of the special forces were released on the same day we saw kim jong-un in person at the ribbon cutting of a new sky scrape earp he ordered built here in pyongyang at the moment we were attending this event with the north korean leader, their state media put out these images of kim jong-un overseeing xan dough commandos jumping out of a plane. when i was chatting with government officials at the military parade yesterday, i was told that special forces operation was in response to tweets from president trump about north korea and about china needing to solve the north
korean nuclear problem. those same officials also said that, frankly, they're not concerned about increased economic pressure from china. clearly chinese trade is helping this country in the capital city. we're not allowed to get outside of the capital. we don't know what life is like. clearly their living standard is lower but we don't know because we're not allowed to go there but chinese trade with north korea jumped up nearly 40% in the first quarter of 2017 and despite five nuclear tests china has been reluct aant to really expert a tremendous amount of economic pressure on this country because they don't want to see a destabilized regime, a humanitarian crisis of north koreans flooding across their border, but they also most certainly do not want to see any sort of military conflict between the united states and north korea. in the chinese view that would be catastrophic. >> let's go back through what we know of the last year or so. we know the last actual nuclear
test was in september of 2016. meantime this year there still has been a lot of activity of these missile launches that we've seen. in fact, this would be the fifth missile launch attempt just since february. and what we're learning about this latest missile launch that failed is the u.s. defense official now telling us that early indications is that this failed missile was not an intercontinental ballistic mi missile. general hertling, what's your take on that information? >> what we saw in the parade today, both the cia and the dia analyst, defense intelligence agencies, are looking at the films and the satellite imagery from the parade today. there were a couple of key items that occurred in the parade, one was a longer missile that went through the parade longer than the kno-8 and kno-14. it was brabd new. it was the first time they showed submarine launch ballistic missile.
that's important because it's showing that their missile program is growing. but if they wanted to literally show that they had a successful launch, what they're most concerned about is something called a cold launch. that's with solid fuel versus liquid fuel in the rocket. i don't mean to turn into a geek here but what it does, it allows the north koreans to pull a missile out and fire it immediately because it's been prefueled as opposed to taking a missile on the launch pad and then taking a lot of time to fuel it up. when that happens, it's not detected. they can also launch it out of a canister like a submarine so it will pop up and then the rockets ignite and then it goes on. that's the most important thing they're looking at now as well as connecting a weapons system to the missile which they have not done yet. i would guess -- my guess would be this was a short-range ballistic missile they fired out
at sinpo. >> we do know this was the same area they launched the last one that scud missile of some sort from the submarine zone there on the port city of sinpo. thank you so much for that analysis. everyone stay with me. we need to squeeze in another break. much more on our breaking news. north korea with a failed missile launch just hours before vice president mike pence is due to arrive in south korea. we will go live to mar-a-lago where the president has been briefed and also to china, a country with enormous influence on north korea. we'll have much more on this day ahead.
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to suzanne who is in florida with the president. we've learned the vice president was also briefed before he lands in south korea. what more can you tell us? >> reporter: we are getting a report from a senior administration official aboard air force two traveling with the vice president on his way to seoul, south korea. i want to read you what we have at this moment here that the vice president, mike pence, briefed on what the vice president's office called a failed missile launch from north korea, that pence was in contact with president trump, and that this was relaid to recorders aboard the plane, that pence was briefed on the situation in north korea within an hour of his departure from anchorage, alaska. air force two was flying.
expected to land, arrive about 3:30 p.m. local time or 2:30 eastern time. we know that when he does land on his agenda, ana, he'll be talking with the acting president of south korea about the situation. as you know the president he briefed and informed. we are expecting a paper statement from the president himself on this. also to let you know had is something that they were preparing for at mar-a-lago, certainly expecting much more. not a failed test but a sixth nuclear test that did not happen but the deputy traveling with the president here in florida who has been briefing him. this is not a nuclear test. officials are saying it's still possible. that could happen at any moment.
to beijing. matt rivers is there with us. matt, china, of course, is a key player in all of this. a key ally to north korea. what are chinese officials saying about these developments in north korea? >> no official response as of yet from beijing but government officials here are very consistent in their positions. what will happen later on today the chinese will come out and ask all relevant sides to refrain from provocative actions. they say they are in clear violation of u.n. security council resolutions levied against north korea in the past. but what the chinese want to happen here is what they're calling a grand bargain. between kim jong-un and donald trump. to create lasting peace would be
to go back and so far that has not been the track the trump administration wants to take. they say that china wants to use economic leverage, to get kim jong-un to stop developing the weapons. >> now president trump tweet this had on thursday. he said i have great confidence that china will properly deal with north korea if they are unable to do so. the u.s. with its allies will. so how is that sentiment being received, matt? >> when trump tweets, they rarely take the bait. the trump administration has
taken a 180 on china when it comes to the way they're reacting where he praised xi jinping profusely and pointed to the fact the chinese stopped importing coal as a sign china is working hard to solve the problem. they stopped importing north korean coal. that's how they bring currency into the country. on the flip side very shortly after that press conference
trade data show it was up nearly 40%. they're extending the line in pyongyang. in terms of how the chinese moves forward, they're not willing to cut off pyongyang entirely. >> is china providing some of the material? >> well, you have two different ways china is alleged to have been a part. because of that amount of trade they are providing hard currency and they do that in a number of different ways. they make sure they can operate.
north korean labor comes over here. there are thousands and thousands of north koreans that work in china every day. they buy things like seafood and other minerals. there is a way china is contributing to this. >> we appreciate you reporting from beijing. news on the expected u.s. response to this failed launch. you're live in the "cnn newsroom. " cash back cards make earning bonus cash back so complicated? they limit where you can earn bonus cash back to a few places... ...and those places keep changing every few months. the quicksilver card from capital one doesn't do any of that. with quicksilver you earn unlimited 1.5% cash back on every purchase, everywhere.
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mar-a-lago. what have you learned? >> reporter: it is a very brief statement i'm going to read to you this is from the secretary of defense coming through in our e-mails saying a statement by secretary of defense jim mattis on a north korea missile test. the president and his military team are aware of north korea's most recent unsuccessful missile launch. the president has no further comment. it is as simple as that, ana, very brief. we were told earlier cnn learned by a u.s. official it would be a very understated response, very intentional. not to give attention to north korea and that is the strategy, the tactic of the white house this evening. it has been looking to see whether or not north korea would, in fact, do anything on its national holiday. it was after that holiday this failed missile launch open kurd
and the white house has chosen to respond in a very low key manner. they do not want to give any kind of undo attention or credit to north korea. all of this, as you know, as the vice president is on his way to seoul, south korea, to meet with the leader there. ana? >> we are learning that south korea national security council will meet tomorrow to discuss where they go from here. suzanne malveaux reporting where the president is this evening, very understated response from the u.s. president. acknowledging this missile launch failed and really nothing beyond that. no further comment. i want to you bring in my panel, retired army lieutenant general mark hertling, a fellow, jonathan kristol and former state department official jamie me metzel.
it was medium range, officials are kind of on edge and they aren't sure where this is going to go next. they're tracking it with reconnaissance capabilities across the peninsula. you saw the release by pacific command immediately saying they tracked it. it was off the launch pad and then exploded thereafter. they will have aircraft and satellite overhead. they will be tracking from radar to ships at sea and will have intelligence sources watching this and the focus is certainly going to be on sinpo where the missiles are launched from. that's their test facility. that's where the nuclear test
could occur, where it's occurred in the past. all of those places are being watched. as you know they have the ships across the sea he, all the patriot missiles are alert in south korea, the carrier task force are ready to shoot anything down that threatens japan or south korea. there is a readiness factor. what i found interesting the statement that suzanne just read came from the secretary of defense and not the president's office. that seemed odd to me. >> why is that? >> because the secretary of defense, rightfully so, will not comment on what comes next but if the president was informed you would think the presidential spokesman would say something as opposed to the secretary of defense. that's just the way in the past it's been done. president trump has changed his protocol on this, i assume. >> jamie, welcome to our
conversation as we are continuing to dissect and figure out what's going to happen in north korea especially how the u.s. might respond. what do you make of this response. let me read it to you one more time. the president and his military team are aware of north korea's most recent unsuccessful missile launch. the president has no further comment. the statement coming from the defense secretary james mattis. >> it's very interesting. president trump put a lot of fre pressure on the north koreans and the chinese put pressure on the north koreans. the north koreans had three options. it was the goldilocks options. they could go big, a nuclear test. this he could go middle which would be some kind of pre-icbm or something moving to the development of an icbm. and then they could do the minimal, the smallest. if north korea, this was all of this hype and pressure and north korea didn't do anything, then on monday everybody would be saying president trump won. he put all of this frepressure
the north koreans and they are very rational actors. this was as little as they could do to not create a bigger crisis. >> and yet trump is so unpredictable. you've written about this maneuvering between kim jong-un versus president trump, two people who both are somewhat unpredictable. how do you see this maneuvering taking shape as we get this statement. >> i think that as jamie was saying, kim jong-un has proven to be a rational actor and these continued tests also make sense. they are not random. they come at times of anniversaries and political events in the region such as trump meeting. >> and the japanese prorm was here. >> and they want to see what they can get away with. i would actually say that in some ways kim jong-un is
behaving as a more traditional leader than trump is. >> well, that's interesting. >> that is not a value judgment, obviously i'm not -- i do not favor kim jong-un in this, but he is limit testing and seeing what he can get away with because he has this new president who has said, you know, options one, two, three, four, five, six, seven, eight, nine, ten are on the table. he's not going to tell anybody. >> does that scare you a little bit, that unpredictability and that now kind of silence about what could come next? >> it makes me a little bit nervous but, you know, the actual guidance that he asked for from the pentagon which was just released i think within the last 24 hours basically says watch closely and wait. containment is not a radical difference from any of the policies of the past. and if trump devers to the defense department and to the
experts on this i could breathe a little bit easier. but if he leaves it to himself and thinks that kim is some like young kid who doesn't know what he's doing and is going bonkers, that would make me very nervous. >> and one thing that kim is actually calling president trump's bluff because the question for the north koreans is how much pressure are the chinese ultimately going to put on pyongyang? and the north koreans are betting there's a limit to how far china will go because, still, china values north korea as whatever it is, and there's no love lost between them. china would rather have even a hostile nuclear armed north korea on its border than a reunified north korea potentially to the united states. president trump has real limitations to what he can do and kim is calling that bluff in a very smart and strategic way. >> stay with me. we have to squeeze in a quick break.
we have been continuing to follow this news out of north kor korea. a missile that failed. it failed almost right after in the city of sinpo. a military parade, on a major holiday there celebrating the birth of the founding father in which they displayed all kinds of missiles or at least mock-ups of missiles including what they say is an intercontinental ballistic missile. we'll continue to follow this and be right back with more information. it's league night!? 'saved money on motorcycle insurance with geico! goin' up the country. bowl without me. frank.' i'm going to get nachos. snack bar's closed.
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read that to you. this is retired general james mattis saying, quote, the president and his military team are aware of north korea's most recent unsuccessful missile launch. the president has no further comment. and with me now from pyongyang cnn's will ripley and also alongside me here in new york, senior fellow and former state department official jamie metzel. to you first, will. you have been there to north korea 11 times. you spent the last week on the ground. you were there for the parade. since you are about 12 hours ahead eastern time in the u.s. give us a sense what the feeling is on the ground in north korea right now. >> reporter: there's a real sense of defiance after the north korean leader unveiled his growing missile arsenal.
we were speaking with people after the parade. asking them about the sixth nuclear test and that did not happen and what people did by showing the two never-before-seen intercontinental ballistic missiles was perhaps even more powerful because it was a way to show what they have in their s arsenal, missiles that could potentially deliver a nuclear warhead to the mainland u.s. we don't know how far along these missile mock-ups are. it's standard practice for countries to put mock-ups on s display. they wouldn't put the real thing in front of crowds of hundreds of people in close proximity to their -- all of their national leadership but they do say that they are in possession of viable weapons and that they continue to test and continue to develop. so the mood is defiance.
the mood is optimism that the united states were to take military action against north korea that they could respond in force and potentially, you know, use these weapons. >> so, jamie, i'm wondering for you when you look at what we see in that military parade and then we learn that they've done this launch of a missile that failed thankfully, why do you think they would have done a missile launch should they have had the capability of doing a nuclear test instead. >> because they were under a lot of pressure. president trump certainly has raised the temperature in the region. china has put a lot of frepress on north korea. and there was a risk. if they did take -- if they did have a nuclear test this time, they didn't know what was going to happen and there was additional variability. if they did nothing, the story on monday would have been -- >> that they did nothing. >> kim backs down and that would have weakened him. this was really the pour ij is just right kind of position by
the north koreans and that's why there's a whole lot of theater. will mentioned these missiles and nobody knows whether inside those canisters there are missiles or livestock or anything else, but this is all about theater and symbolism. it's bad for kim it didn't work. everybody is positioning and trying to figure out where they fit relative to china, the united states and the koreas. >> we know that vice president mike pence is on his way right now to south korea. this was a visit that had been planned well in advance of all the developments of the past week in terms of this heightened escalation of rhetoric between north korea and the u.s. if you were mike pence and heading to south korea now all that's happened in the last few hours, what is your priority when you're on the ground in south korea? >> the biggest thing is to reassure the south koreans the united states south core can alliance is strong. they recently impeached their president. they're a month away from their
elections and how the u.s. is handling north korea is a critical issue in those elections. this is a very, very complicated environment that vice president pence is stepping into. >> do you think it was odd that the president of the u.s. department come out and issue a statement himself? >> it was odd but everything is odd that this president does, and so we're certainly -- if there is a playbook, it's a different playbook than we've known or the world has known. and right now -- >> yet he hasn't withheld from tweeting. >> yeah, well, who knows what he was -- as a matter of fact in the car over here we were looking at his twitter and it was the wrong twitter, like a fake donald trump account talking about who would trust somebody who has a bad haircut. and we were thinking, did president trump really tweet that? we just don't know. in the world there's a level of insecurity about what donald trump could do and so we're seeing a little more caution from north korea. there's much greater level of variability in the world and that is very dangerous. >> right.
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election, haven't provided anything to lead me to believe or should lead you to believe, and i continue to see reports coming from media sources saying when they checked in with law enforcement or intelligence community sources. there's nothing more than has been previously reported over and over again. so at some point you do have to ask yourself what are you actually looking for? how many times do you have to come to the same conclusion before you take the answer? that's what i'm saying. mara? >> just to follow-up, did you personally reach out -- >> i'm not going to say what we discussed internally. we did our job about making sure that when people had -- reporters had questions, we let them know what subject matter experts were available to discuss the accuracy of a newspaper story. mara? >> i'm sure people will come back to the budget question, which is during the campaign, the president said he was not going to touch medicare, social security. treasury secretary repeated that. sounds like the director was
leaving that as an open question. >> no, no. >> i wonder what's the state of the promise? he won't touch it for current retirees? anyone paying in? >> what the director made clear is how it works. the budget is dealing with the top line discretionary numbers. policy decisions are not part of the budget. that's what he was being asked. i just want to be clear. >> what's the promise? >> it is clear. as you point out, he had made the promise. he stands by the promise. >> what is the promise? current retirees? >> i will follow up specifically on that. the president made clear it is not his intent to do. he wants to focus on the discretionary side. entitlement reform, with respect to the programs he mentioned, he stands by his word. brett lucas? >> an executive order on religious freedom.
will that still come? if it does, will it extend beyond the legislative -- >> i'm sorry, what? >> will it extend beyond the johnsons? >> i think we've discussed executive orders in the past. for the most part we're not going to get into discussing what may or may not come until we are ready to release it. >> i'm sorry. just one more. the issue of tax reform. is there any concern there won't be enough reserve for that? >> i'm not gonna get into specifics of tax reform today. the president has made clear that we'll have an outline of a plan very soon. what i will say, he talked about the concerns that he has with current and regulatory tax policy that benefit people from
moving out of the country and shipping products back in while shedding american workers. he will continue to fight for policies that promote manufacturing and job creation in the united states and supports american workers. so i don't want to get ahead of the exact nature of policy. he's been seeking a lot of input. he's going to talk today with speaker ryan and senator mcconnell. i know that both the joint session, state is repeal and replace. i'm sure some discussion of tax reform will probably come up. we're continuing to move forward and meet with them. >> on the isis strategy. can you get to the timetable now that you are receiving it, what happens. there's a report you're asking for $30 billion on top of the 54 in the budget for defense spending. is that true? does that cover the new exit strategy? >> thank you. right now literally that principles meeting that i mentioned is happening as we
speak. secretary madis was coming over stpargs the isis plan. part of it was to make sure that he fully discusses the recommendations that he's making and seek the input and feed back of the other principles downstairs. that can help guide where we go, how we go. right now the focus is on the budget. then we'll go from there. >> thank you. two brief questions. first i read your statement thursday briefing to governor malloy of connecticut. he said, quote, sean didn't read the thing that i said. he said in connecticut they are already working to get criminals who are in the country illegally out. his objection was to going into warming centers and schools where officials might frighten the children. your response on that? >> again, i was asked specifically what the comments
were with respect to sanctuary cities. i would reiterate, that i'm not here to pick a fight with the governor. the reality is that there's a difference. whether or not what he wants to do with state funds, maybe -- without knowing the exact nature of what he's funding, it's difficult. the question i was asked at the time was on how we would be handling it. the answer, whether it's connecticut or california is that the president's executive order and the president's commitment is to make sure that tax dollars are not used to support programs that are helping people who are not in the country legally and who are not citizens entitled to them. >> one more question, sean. 58 years when presidents have gone to rome they've always met the pope going back to when president eisenhower met the
pope. one year ago this week candidate trump had a disagreement with this pope and an exchange of words. when he goes to rome in may for his first european trip, will he meet with this pope? >> that's a great question. i would be a huge fan of that. but i'm not gonna -- i don't think we're at that place in the planning process to make an announcement on any visits with the pope. >> two budget questions. mr. mulvaney said it doesn't add to the current budget but did say it wouldn't significantly drop from that. is the administration comfortable putting something forward that might rack up deficits of potentially hundreds of billions of dollars? >> i'm trying to understand the question, if you can help me with it. >> he said it wasn't going to add to it.
he didn't necessarily say it was going to cut from it either. if it doesn't cut from it, it could potentially be hundreds of billions in deficits. >> correct me if i'm wrong, he said it doesn't add to the baseline deficit, right? that continues to be the goal. as we continue to work through the process, it can work both ways. we can identify further savings and reductions working with the agencies and departments. but we're going to make sure the top line number we maintain as close to that as possible. this is the beginning of the process. we send the kwrub to the department or agency. give them some ideas of how we came up with it. then they come back to us and either justify why a particular program or office or what have you needs to stay in existence or why maybe not the reduction that is offered. it's a back and forth process that will occur over the next few weeks. >> let me ask you to what nancy
pelosi said. she put out a staple and said, five weeks into his administration president trump has not introduced a single jobs bill. your reaction to that would be what? >> we've created a lot of jobs. he's continuing to work with congress on repealing and replacing obama care, tax reform. fundamentally both of those two items alone i think can help spur a lot of economic growth. the meetings we've had with the ceo's, the health insurers, there's so many things that are job killing and it can be done to promote a better regulatory and tax climate that leads to job creation. that's one of the biggest problems. people in washington aren't necessarily talking to job creators. what is the impediment that you have to hiring more american workers? to manufacturing or to building here? the meetings and the actions that the president has taken on
both regulatory and other matters have helped spur creation. you heard these companies come in over and over again, the automakers, the airlines, sprint. the list goes on and on. of people saying to the president because of your agenda, because of your vision, we're willing to commit to hiring additional people to manufacture more. that's how jobs are created. it's not through the government. too often it's the government regulations that stifle and prevent job creation. i think president, as a businessman, fully appreciates and understands how this works and what some of those impediments do to creating jobs and to growing the economy. i would just say that you haven't seen anything yet. it's going to continue to be the case. >> is the concern of the administration that a large scale military buildup will lead to some sort of arms race with other countrys? >> no. i think when you look at the state of some of the
infrastructure of the age of some ships or planes or hardware that exists, you recognize that we need to rebuild a lot of these things. the size of the navy has gone down significantly. there are new needs and new planning. when you look at the commitment that you have to make not just in one year but several years for a lot of these programs, ships and tanks, even weapons systems, they don't get built in a month or a day. you have to make a commitment to make the investment because of the time that it takes to procure them, to build them, the research and development that goes into it. i would suggest to you that this is the first step in making sure we make the commitment to our military that especially over the last few years has not got the funding it needs to get off life support. there are a lot of things being taken care of in the military where they're just continuing to -- they're not putting the systems and the projects in place to allow the military to
keep up with the times. that's the problem. >> -- said the government owes my son an investigation. on behalf of the president of the united states, is the president open to an investigation into the raid in yemen and the father of ryan owens called that a stupid mission. is it something you'd like to communicate to him about that mission that might persuade him otherwise? >> yeah, thank you. let me walk through it slowly. first of all, i can't possibly imagine what he's going through in terms of the loss of a son. i can tell him on behalf of the president, his son died a hero. and the information that he was able to help obtain through that raid, as i said before, was gonna save american lives. it's going to protect our
country more. he made a sacrifice for his country. he was on his 12th deployment. i know his wife, when she spoke to the president, knows that he did this because he loved it. he cared about our nation. and the mission was successful in helping prevent a future attack or attacks on this nation. it obtained a lot of information that will help keep us safe. with respect to his request, it is standard operating procedure for the department of defense to under go what they call a 156 review. that review in this case is three pronged. because there was a fatality and loss of life, there's that. because there were civilians involved, that's another. then third is because there is hardware, helicopter, that was damaged. that is separate. in fact, there will be three reviews done by the department of defense because of the nature of this.
but again, i can't stress enough that on behalf of the president, on behalf of the nation, we express our condolences, extend our prayers to him during this time. >> you said it is standard procedure. is there anything in particular that the president is curious about in this mission, in that it was brought to him, he authorized it. does he believe there is nothing that he's particularly curious about in the way either of the helicopter was damaged, fatality, civilian casualties? >> well, number one i walked through the timetable previously. in terms of how long this had been planned for. dating well back into the previous administration. their recommendation at the time was to wait for a moonless night. that night wasn't going to occur during president obama's administration. when general mattis got into the
department of defense, he was briefed up on the status, made aware of when the next night would be. we went through the process to make sure that we continued to believe that the mission, the way it was going to be conducted and the results of the mission would be worthy of action. the conclusion continued to be as it was prior. that we should move forward. as i mentioned before, i think you can't ever say when there's most importantly loss of life and people injured that it's 100% successful. when you look at what the stated goal of that mission was, it was an phoergs and intelligence gathering mission. it ap achieved its objective. i would express our thoughts and prayers and condolences to all of the people and chief owens family and friends, his ship
mates, but it's something that, as a seal who has been deployed 12 times, he knew that this was part of the job. he knew what he was doing. so we were very comfortable with how the mix was executed. we'll let the department of defense go through that review process. see where that leads us. i think to get ahead of the three separate reviews being done by the department of defense would be irresponsible. >> real quick. as you are aware, to the defense sequester you to get 60 votes in the senate because you have a separate domestic sequester number. are you confident with these numbers and this heavy discretionary spending proposed you can get to 60 votes to change the law? without that change in law the proposal is just that. it doesn't become law?
>> i think that when it comes to our nation's security specifically our nation's military, i don't think that it's a partisan issue. i think senators from across the country, whether you're talking about florida, whether you've got an army installation or navy base, you understand the state of repair that many of our planes, ships and other hardware are in. i think there's a bipartisan commitment to give the military and its members the equipment and the tools it needs to succeed and protect this country. so i do feel country. april? >> sean, i have a couple of budgetary questions for you. one, at the press conference, president trump talked about the six states. what is the investment when it comes to that? >> that's a good try.
i think the director -- part of the process was to start that process where we're going to the various departments, whether hud or dot and giving them that top line number and then hearing back. i don't want to get into a specific number with you before we get too far down the process. i think that's a conversation that we're going to have with the agency and then we will have subsequently with congress when they start drafting their resolution. >> he talked about health care. he talked about education. he talked about, continues to talk about chicago and law enforcement. so you don't have any kind of budgetary numbers? health care is one of the line items for this budget. >> that's right. i'm not saying we don't have numbers. i'm saying we're not giving them out. that's a big difference. you're going to do a good job frying. as the director noted on this, they have come up with top line
numbers based on their going through each of these agency's budgets saying hey, there's a program here. in some cases maybe they give them more, maybe less. part of it is to begin that process with the departments and agencies to figure out what those investments are. maybe it's repurposing existing funds in a different way. it's not necessarily a zero sum game. there is a way the department can reallocate money to a program that might end up benefitting because there's an out of date program or office that that savings could be applied to something. but i don't want to get ahead of the process right now, only to say that we are at the very beginning of it. >> president is going to seize 80 plus presidents with the vice president. some are very concerned as to what this executive order looks like. they are waiting to hear the commitment before they say i'm
all in. what is the commitment that this president is trying to make when it comes to ensure i guess the future or deal with some funding, research projects or moving it out of the department of education to the per view of the white house. what is the commitment he is going to give? >> i don't generally speak about executive orders until they are finalized. i will just say that one of the things i think there's a commitment from this white house to do is to look at the various resources throughout the federal government that support hvcu's. for example the department of defense has rotc programs. are they being properly -- is that funding being properly executed and spent? there's programs within each of the departments, department of education, department of housing and urban development, that affect grants or programs or direct funding that go to hpcu's
for various things, whether it's construction projects or teaching programs or mentorship programs. whatever it is. they expand throughout the entire government. i think that what we are committed to doing is ensuring that there is a high level understanding and commitment that goes straight to the president of how we harness those resources within the government and make sure that they're doing what they're supposed to be doing. it's one thing to have them, right, spread throughout the different departments. it's another thing to make sure that there's a direct pipeline to the president of the united states that those programs are being executed in a way that's benefitting the future of hpcu's and the various projects and teaching that goes on there. >> so what are you saying? there's going to be a piece that will go through the agencies to make sure there is some kind of commitment to hpcu's and contract like let's say engineering for some schools or
research for other schools? >> i think i'm going to stick to waiting until we announce it. i anticipate it very soon, how's that? i want to give myself a little wiggle room. >> budget related question but on infrastructure. the president has repeatedly, including today again, called for major infrastructure plan to the tune of a trillion dollars, roads, bridges, tunnels. can you explain where that money will come from? how it fits into the budget that's under review right now and what the timeline for that project would be? >> that would be part of a longer term discussion that we're having with congress. the president got in office 30 some odd days ago. the idea of getting a budget referred to as a skinny budget to get the government to continue be if funding. i understand your point. the president continues to talk about the state -- >> he said it was a priority for him. >> it is. we have to make sure that it's
done right. that we work through congress. there's obviously a funding mechanism to this. we've already talked about things like comprehensive tax reform that could add to that discussion. and so i just -- i understand what you're asking, in terms of how this will be funded and when it will be coming and the pay for it, but we're working with congress. that probably comes outside the budget. >> how does he square that with the need to tighten the belt? >> in the same manner that we're presenting the budget. we're talking of adding $54 trillion, billion dollars. thank you. appreciate the help. but we're looking to add that to defense. so what it means is that we have to fine reductions in savings. that same kind of discussion would have happened with respect to infrastructure. not necessarily the savings
piece but the funding piece. there's several ways. i know there's a lot of discussion private/public partnerships that he has started to have a discussion with in terms of the funding mechanism. all i'm trying to get at is there are various ways to do this funding without just relying on the american taxpayer in terms of additional taxes. there are spending reductions, there are other funding mechanisms. i think in due course we will get around to that discussion. >> he mentioned today that as he drives through the queen smith town tunnel and the lincoln tunnel, he worries about ceiling tiles falling. is there a specific incentive he was talking about where people have been injured or is that just a fear of his? >> i don't know. i'll ask him. i'm sure secret service will take care of that. alexis? >> sean, question. first one health care. because the director was signaling the complete budget would be maybe ready early may
and the president today describes how complicated he's discovered that the health care repeal and replace has become. can you describe when it is that the president would present his framework for an overhaul of health care? is it going to be included in the budget so that we can see it before stphaeu >> i don't think you're going to see it in the budget. that's not the appropriate vehicle for it. i think you would drive or at least the leading option before i get locked into something, is to add obama care to the fy17 budget process and put it through reconciliation. i think he has also been very clear that he wants this outlined within a matter of weeks and that we continue to have these discussions with house and senate leadership, ways and means and similar finance on the senate side. so when he talks to speaker ryan and leader mcconnell today, i'm sure that conversation will
continue. >> just to follow up on health care. is not every ingredient in the affordable care act happen in reconciliation? that's why i was asking about theme the elements of it. >> there are several pieces of obama care. some can be done with executive care, some with 50 votes. there are certain things that have to be done certain ways legislatively to create a comprehensive and wholistic approach. we're aware of that. we're working with the house and senate to make that happen. >> all right. the immigration executive order, travel ban. is the president going to address the american people and congress in his speech tomorrow night and specifically describe and defend the immigration ban? and when will we see the revised executive order? >> we're not going to -- i would not anticipate the speech being
a defense of legislation and executive orders. i don't think many previous presidents have gotten through and used that as a legislative walk through. but you will hear about his commitment to immigration and his desire for border security and what it means not just about keeping the nation safe, but what impact it's having on the economy. so you will hear a lot about immigration tomorrow night. he will talk about why it matters and the goal we have and why we should come together. hold on. caitlin? next order i think we should have it out probably middle of this week. looking towards the middle of the week. we'll have further updates as we get through the schedule. our goal today was to prepare for the joint session. caitlin? >> gerald ford in 2015
identified $125 billion in wasteful pentagon spending. how can you justify adding $54 billion to the defense budget? is that going to go to hiring soldiers or contractors? is the president concerned with wasteful spending at the dod? >> of course he is concerned. i think there's a big difference between rooting out waste and fraud in various programs and offices and understanding that when you're talking about adding to the fleet or increasing airplane costs, that can't be driven just through those. the commitment you have to make to purchase some of those very needed upgrades to our infrastructure and to our arsenal and to planes, ships, doesn't just come through that. because even if you could start to really identify it you wouldn't make the financial commitment that needs to be done to build the ships and planes in particular that need a substantial investment on the front end. john? >> if i could follow-up on
alexis question. 9th circuit court of appeals -- just in the last few minutes. do you plan to continue defending your first executive order in court? what's the purpose of doing that as opposed to simply rescinding it and then rendering that case moot? >> i haven't been able to read my phone while this has happened. i appreciate it. with all due respect, i would ask that i be able to get back to you tomorrow after we consult with the counsel's office and it goes through the reading of what the court has said. give me a little time, let me get off the podium. >> the question still standing. >> i understand that. i think the president has made a commitment to continue to defend what we did. hold on. because this is the strategy that he believes that we have the authority vested in u.s. code. i talked about this extensively
in the past. i think that if you allow me, once we get done with the briefing, i will follow up. >> some of us are trying to understand. if you have a new order that addresses the concerns of the many courts that have weighed in on this, why continue to defend an executive order? >> because we were right the first time. it's not a question of proving a point. it's that the manner in which it was done in the first place was what we believe and continue to believe was the right way to address this problem. while the second executive order attempts to address the court's concerns that they made, the goal is obviously to maintain the way we did it the first time because we believe that the law is very clear about giving the president the authority that he needs to protect the country. so, just dropping that is not necessarily a prudent thing. part of it is for us to recoupe,
figure out what the court has said and assess the strategy. i don't want to get ahead. you're reading it to me now. i would like the opportunity to read it and have a lawyer read it. go ahead. >> thank you. is there anything -- [ inaudible ] >> when can it be lifted? i think we have to go through the process to lift the sequest sequester. some of the things we have seen at jewish cemeteries, look, we have to work with law enforcement at the local and state level. i will leave to it the justice department to comment further on what additional steps can be made. as has been pointed out, one of the things we can do is speak from this podium to make sure every american understands what our values are and that that kind of behavior and activity is
wrong and won't be tolerated. and the highest levels of government denounce it. so i think it starts there. i think there's a law enforcement component that i would ask you to touch base with. >> on the budget i understand this is a blue print. i understand the president has previously said he doesn't want to touch entitlements. but why does he think it's the right move to break with years of republican orthodox, house speaker paul ryan has said any sensible long term budget needs to include -- >> i think the president understands the commitment that was made to seniors in particular. and that's a sacred bond and trust. mara asked this earlier. let me get back to you on the specifics, but he made a commitment to the american people. one of the things the president continues to get high marks on is regardless of whether you voted for him or not, he is a man of his word. he has followed up on the promises that he made to the
american people. i think that's important. i think we will continue to work with congress. but the president understands that we have commitments that we've made on the entitlement side in particular. especially on the senior side with respect to social security, that need to be maintained. so he's gonna keep his word to the american people. >> saying social security, medicare won't be there in a number of years? >> for right now i think the budget we're laying out deals on the discretionary side. you heard the president's priorities and commitment, especially when it comes to protecting this country. >> one more. is there an internal leak inquiry right now? >> not that i'm aware of. >> thank you very much. i have two questions. >> when president trump took
office, first official -- [ inaudible ]. >> what is the white house expectation of his visit? >> so the state counselor and for those not schooled in chinese government, is the basically the equivalent of our nsa director, nsc director, right? >> correct. >> the ambassador and the state counselor came today. they are meeting with hr mcmaster, and some others stat in on the meeting. they had a delegation of six people here. after the meeting ended, i believe state counselor was taken and had an opportunity to say hi to the president before he left. this is an opportunity to begin that conversation. hold on. everybody else got two. >> just this morning president
trump mentioned about his pick for ambassador to china. governor has really positive view on china. how confident is the president on the governor's mission to get support in the senate? >> i think he'll receive tremendous support, bipartisan support. senator graham is a true -- he has huge ties on both sides, one of the longest serving governors in iowa. i think that he has tremendous respect from both sides of the aisle not just for how he's handled himself as a governor in iowa, but his deep understanding and ties to china and china's economy and the chinese officials. i think he's going to do a phenomenal job representing our nation. he starts with an understanding
of the chinese government. that will serve our nation well. mara? >> lot of people voted for donald trump because they agreed that the u.s. was getting ripped off my china. after the election he made the call to taiwan. then he told fox news he said i don't know why we have to be bound by a one china policy unless we make a deal with china. then he reaffirmed the one china policy. so what did he get in return from china for doing that? >> he had a conversation with president chi. i'm not going to get into details. president chi's request. after a discussion, the president reaffirmed the one china policy. the president is not one to discuss hi negotiating tactics. >> did the american people get something? >> the president always gets something. >> what was it? >> follow-up. i noticed earlier today, not of
republican governors but not many democratic governors. is this administration trying to reach out to the other side of the aisle and compromise? >> absolutely. you saw the remarks during the pool opportunity. the president talked about some of the conversations he had with governor mccall from virginia in particular. they were here last night. they had dinner with their lives and husbands. it was an opportunity to talk to the cabinet and get to know each other and talk about priorities. it's interesting. i mentioned obama care. when one of the things that was brought up by the governors and i have to be honest, i wasn't picking which governors and thinking of party, but several commented on how they appreciated in terms of him seeking their input on not just health care, but infrastructure and medicade in particular and health care, other areas that fall into their wheel house. so i think just so we're clear,
the dialogue that exists between this administration and this president and governors i think is a very refreshing move forward. >> i want to clarify something that happened thursday and friday about the public enemy statement. are you saying that all of the press is public enemy? people who didn't vote for the president? just the people in this room? just bill maher and maybe warren beatty? >> i think the president made clear what he was referring to, the fake news and people who ascribe to pushing fake stories is where his target was. >> more than 60 democrats either boycotted or skipped president's inauguration. what kind of reception do you think the president will get tomorrow evening from democrats and the house and senate? >> i hope a very robust and
applause filled reception. the speech, as i mentioned, breaks down a lot of barriers that had traditionally been, political barriers in terms of areas where i think we should find agreement. that reaffirm the president's desire to unite the country and unite our parties that share common ground. the things that he's talking about, increasing the support for military, veterans, helping children get an education, those are things that, hopefully, we can all come together and think are shared american values regardless of party. i hope that we see a tremendous amount of support for the president and his policies and his vision tomorrow night. he recognizes the problems that our nation faces, but he also charts the vision forward. i think it's one that, if people are honest, that they will agree that it really isn't a political agenda as much as an agenda for
the country, and one to move us forward. i think that we'll have to wait and see, but i can tell you that i think it will be a positive move forward. >> couple follow-ups to the question about the isis review. day 30 of the memorandum the president signed. can you give us more timeline when specifically president trump will be involved? i know you mentioned the principles today. separately you mentioned secretary mattis is presenting the principles to the committee. just the military includes public diplomacy, efforts to tie it back. what got us here? where do we go from here? >> thank you. let me, if i phaeurb get briefed on who and what occurred in the meeting to the extent that it's available and i will be glad to get back to you tomorrow on that. i just don't have that information available.
>> [ inaudible ] >> is the president taking any steps to ensure that tax payers aren't saddled with tremendous cost considering he was so critical of his predecessor in that matter? >> well, gabi, the security for the president and first family is set by the secret service. as you know, they determine the security measures that need to be taken to protect the president, frankly, any president. so i'm gonna leave it up to the secret service to decide what security measures and steps are taken to protect the president. as you know, depending on transcending administrations. wherever the president goes they need to make sure the president and first family is safe. something that i think we rely
on the secret service to make those determinations. they continue to do a phenomenal job making sure the first family and the president and vice president are protected. we have full confidence in the decisions they make. so, thank you very much. we'll have a briefing later today on the -- what's that? i would look into the 6:00 hour. >> here? >> yes, here. i get to see you here again. i would plan on around 6:00. we'll have further guidance. i don't anticipate it being long. i think we're just going to walk through, off camera, the themes of the speech, take any questions and then try to get some additional information, depending on where the president is in his read through. >> no briefing tomorrow? >> no briefing tomorrow. if you don't want one, you don't have to have one. >> you said you would get clarification -- >> we will have something for
you, i promise. i will get it back to you. i'm sure you will see my face tomorrow. thank you very much. see you guys tomorrow. >> sandra: all right. that was sean spicer wrapping up his daily briefing. lot of stuff covered there. i'm melissa francis. right now though we want to point you at another news conference that is currently under way. see that there? that's the house intelligence committee ranking democrat member adam shipp. he is speaking on the investigation into any ties with russia. you heard sean spicer talk about this as well. he was responding to calls for a special prosecution on that subject. listen. >> -- is there a license call for a special prosecuteer? >> my question would be a special prosecutor for what? here's my -- >> it was part of the campaign. sessions was part of the campaign. >> jonathan, we have now, for six months, heard story after story come out about unnamed
sources saying the same thing over and over again. and nothing has come of it. >> melissa: in other words, is there anything there? this is after push back after the white house asked the intelligence committee to squash reports of contact between russia and the trump administration. chief intelligence correspondent katherine harrige is live with more. what have we learned? >> reporter: reporters were told that he has seen no evidence that any of president trump's associates had phone con tack with russian intelligence. congressman nunes said nothing he has seen from the agencies indicates that former trump campaign manager paul manafort who resigned, political adviser roger stone, who also left the campaign or businessman jeff carter had contact with russian intelligence. nunes was pressed on the issue this morning and whether those
connections exist. >> there's investigations that the executive branch of government does and there's tphfations that the legislative branch of government does. as of right now we have no evidence, but we will continue to ask an look for evidence not only on the three americans named in that story but also any other american that has contact with rush officials. >> reporter: nunes did not rule out calling president trump's associates to testify on the hill. as you see at this hour the ranking democrat on that very powerful committee is giving his own news conference. he said earlier today that he felt they hadn't had a full briefing from the fbi so it was premature to make any conclusions about what may or may not be a connection between the associates and the russians. >> melissa: in the midst of all of that did we learn anything new about the resignation of national security adviser mike flynn? there are a lot of questions there still unanswered. >> reporter: we did learn some new details.
chairman nunes said a phone call was picked up as part of routine monitoring of the russian ambassador. he said there was no evidence that there was an order from the previous administration to listen in on flynn's phone calls. however, he said there was a decision taken by the obama administration to unmask flynn's identity because americans have special protection when it comes to surveillance and phone calls involving american citizens. the congressman said only a very small number of people have the power tounmask him. >> there should be a record of who in the government knew about general flynn talking to the russian ambassador. from there we should be able to know who is in the realm that we need to talk to. we should be able to find out who within the executive branch knew about the initial conversation and then who went to who to get flynn's name unmasked. that should be a relatively
small number of people. >> reporter: when we say small, we're talking about less than half dozen people. in that category you have to think ab things like the fbi director or the attorney general, or the president himself or those closest to him. also on the issue of the leaking of transcripts between president trump and foreign leaders, the congressman said he this major crime has been committed, though he did not provide any details ability an on going leak investigation, melissa. >> melissa: great reporting as always. thank you. another huge pass today. obama care. let's bring in a democratic strategist an senior director of research for bustle.com. mercedes slap is a former spokes person for president george w. bush. mercedes, sean spicer said, guess what? it's gonna take awhile. americans don't want to hear that. >> yes, the american people are impatient. they want movement quickly. that's one thing president trump wanted to push forward quickly as well, which is let's get
washington moving. the problem is, in the gop, they are still trying to figure out how they're going to handle the differences. two top areas are, of course, medicade expansion where some governors want to keep it, even republican governors want to keep it in place, others don't. next refundable tax credit that is unpopular among conservative republicans. these republicans have to be bold, united and they don't have a choice. they have to succeed. >> melissa: jessica, we heard the insurance ceo's today with president trump. they were all saying hey, guess what, this whole thing is about to implode. at the same time our viewers are saying how is that possible? i'm paying more, i'm getting less. my premiums are huge. this is a mess. >> it's a mess that people like now if you look at the polling. >> melissa: i don't know about that. >> if you look at the pew polling, it's more favorable than it has. >> melissa: i can feel the audience screaming at you.
sorry. >> it's true. i can show you the data. things are changing this way. more that donald trump, president trump, i know they hate it when i just say donald trump, says we're going to repeal and replace it, but there is no replacement plan, americans get more scared and more angry. they show up at those town halls. there are concerned americans. the problem is republicans had what seven years to come up with a plan that would meet these expectation and they haven't done it. >> melissa: mercedes, the problem is he wants to keep everything that's good, get rid of things that are bad. that costs money. where is that money going to come from? >> well, i think that's one of the fundamental questions is where they're going to get the money to pay for this. i think that's why you are seeing discussions occur around the obama care tax which could be up to -- whether they keep it, what are they going to do with the savings of it. that's about $1 trillion. so i think for the republican
party, they're focused on making sure that there's increased competition, that you're able to lower the cost of these premiums. also the bigger challenge for them is ensuring that people aren't just dropped off of their health care. that's going to be those obstacles that republicans will need to fix. >> melissa: it will be tough. i have got to cut you off. we've got some breaking news. congressman is talking about his side of the argument on what is going on in this back and forth with russia. is there an investigation needed? where do you start it? that's what they're talking about here today. >> why hasn't the fbi given up the information to you yet? secondly, have you asked the senate if they want to do a joint investigation? >> well, i have certainly raised the issue of a joint investigation. and at this point, while nobody has exclusively ruled it out, neither have they welcomed the idea, there may be a few reasons
for that. it was a formula that worked very well post 9/11, given the mismatch we have had vis a vis the agencies and vis a vis the size of the agencies. we are seeing these massive agency. it would help if we did this jointly. the other part of your question? >> has the fbi been dragging their feet on getting you the information? you mentioned it several times here. you haven't gotten anything? you've asked? >> the chairman and i are requesting the director brief our full committee as he apparently did. certainly the chairman and i have preliminary discussions with the director. but beyond that, we need really to get a full debriefing on everything that the fbi has looked at. what have they investigated? and at this point, i'm not clear we're going to get that.
i don't have the assurances that i'd like to have from the bureau. now, i'll give you a sense of why. in an ordinary course of events the bureau doesn't talk about pending investigations. and the bureau doesn't talk about closed investigation. now, obviously, with respect to the clinton investigation, that policy was departed from and violated in extreme as we got closer to the election. so among other think, it's insupportable for the bureau to take the position we can't talk about any position from the trump campaign. at the same time, there is a strong institutional reluctance to discuss on going investigations, not on publicly, but even with congress. but here we have a bipartisan investigation into the establishment, it's been agreed to by the house and senate. it has the vast support of the republican leadership in the house and senate.
and if we're gonna take responsibility the fbi is going to have to, have to, be wholesome if their discussion of any investigations they are doing or have done. i haven't gotten that commitment yet from the director. we're gonna need that commitment in order to do our work. yes? >> earlier today chairman nunes was saying that if it turns out flynn in this discussions with the russian ambassador did say, you know, hold off on response to the sanctions that came from the obama administration right after christmas. he said we should be thanking him, not going after him, for having deescalating a bad situation. i wonder what's your take on that and how that affects going forward. hopefully having conversations with the committee. >> my perspective is this. again i goes back to the context in which flynn was talking to the russian ambassador. russia has just hacked into our
elections. they have just dumped information that was helpful to the now president of the united states. and in the period prior to the new administration coming into office, the obama administration levied sanctions against the russians. and then you have a conversation or conversations between flynn and the russian ambassador. what was the subject of those conversations? now, i would like to -- i have had a briefing. i have not seen any transcripts yet. ultimately i would like to view whatever transcripts exist, to be published, so the american public can see, given the american public was misled about that conversation. but the significance of that conversation is that, if it was of a nature to assure or reassure the russians that they didn't need to respond because the new administration would take care of it, then you have incoming administration affirmatively under minding sanctions imposed by the current
administration, the current being the obama administration. that's a serious business. when you add to it that the national security adviser flynn was dishonest about the nature of those conversations, that certainly shows at least i would say as a former prosecutor some consciousness of wrongdoing. if there was nothing to be concerned about, then why not be open and honest about the course of those conversations? why did mike pence go out on tv and find the need to reassure the country that they had not been engaged in under minding sanctions imposed by president obama. the final point i would make on this that i find deeply disturbing is, it's bad enough that mike flynn wasn't truthful with the vice president. it's even worse that the vice president then unknowingly misled the american people. but what is most troubling to me is the president was aware of
hearts we weren't going to kill them. that was training. that kind of training helped prepare them for the treatment that they got. john mccain was tortured. what they did to him in the hanoi hilton and other prisoner of war sites in north vietnam was torture. we've never done that kind of thing. never condoned it. some of our allies may have done it but we department. the bottom line is, when congress made these things illegal, they're going to stay illegal until congress changes it. >> neil: when i hear the president said as he did today in this press conference and that he would defer -- i hope i have the right wording there -- to his defense secretary, what did you make of that? >> well, i make of it -- donald trump became famous for saying "year -- "you're fired." if he doesn't like that the
secretary of defense won't do it -- i know these mean well. i know jim mattis very well. he was not going to issue that kind of order and he has the authority to issue though orders. he's not going to do it. into if the president doesn't like it, he can utter those two famous words that he used on television "you're fired" and find a secretary of defense that will. >> neil: i want your take on how the president described vladimir putin. theresa may teed this up yesterday with the republicans, that, you know, look, almost like ronald reagan did for us, do you think she changed his view of vladimir putin or that she had to? the president kept saying, look, i don't know him, we'll see how things go, could go well, could go poorly. but how do you think it will go? tomorrow they'll have a phone call with each other. how do you see this relationship
going forward? >> well, i see all kinds of relationships are affected by the fact that he's now in the oval office. there's awesome responsibility that comes with this assignment. it's not running for office. it's being in office. what the president is realizing the effect the before him is awesome. those kinds of statements that he can make during a campaign are quite frankly no longer relevant. a lot of people that expected him to i suppose stick with the same kind of rhetoric. clearly he's changed. i've watched this man for five days in office. one of my colleagues said i wonder if he's taking valium? it's clear he's tamed down in terms of his rhetoric. it's important. words do matter in an office of president of the united states. >> neil: i wonder if he mixes it with caffeine. he's been busy. >> this is a whole administration full of
workaholics. >> neil: looks like that. thanks, cornell. >> thanks. >> neil: oliver north. thanks. we ended up the week with a whimper but held over 20,000. our markets are doing just fine here. we've had some surprisingly good earnings news out of technology sector, optimism about how that is going to fare going forward here only financial stocks. all the major averages up. the dow up into record territory. i want to focus on how this fall out of build a wall, who will pay for it, how that hits the peso. it picked out after we learned that the president spoke with an hour, a phone call initiated by president trump, with his counter part in mexico. that maybe just sort of helped the peso out a little bit. their stock market there, dow jones industrial, was down. we have more included the president expected to formally sign that executive order for extreme vetting for refugees.
all of this occurring as he makes his way to the defense department. and the ceremonial swearing in of james mattis. of course, we should say that the general is already the defense secretary. sworn in by vice president pence. this is how important it is to the president that he by ceremony or however you want to define it, wants to one up his number 2 who swore him in himself. more after this. ♪ when you have $7.95 online u.s. equity trades lower than td ameritrade, schwab, and e-trade, you realize the smartest investing idea isn't just what you invest in, but who you invest with.
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focusing on those countries that have a disproportionate number of terror going on. doctor, good having you. what will this mean? does the executive order carry the weight where we can slow down here? what would it do? >> neil, that's a great question. what does it mean. i think we're hearing so much about what it doesn't mean. a lot of exaggeration. the bottom line, he's following through on promises, rationale approa approach, to stop and pause immigration from countries that are havens for jihadists, countries that could hate the west and we start threatening against islamism from somalia, yemen, iraq, et cetera. the pause is 120 days. we might need 180 days. but at that event, we vet
against those that believe in an islamic state. the only criticism, i don't understand why syria was indefinite. we need to message it's not just stopping immigration, it's pausing it so that we can come back to security first and second getting back to america's roots which are welcoming the immigrants that want to be free. >> neil: could be any second. i might interrupt you for the swearing in of james mattis. the defense secretary is on record saying that we have to take the fight to isis. we cannot give any mixed signals. i'm paraphrasing. what do you think his approach to dealing with isis working with this american president? >> we not only have to take it to them but decimate them in syria where they exist, their money. that's the end point of not violent extremism but violent islamism. to decimate isis, you have to take away the inspiration, this
islamic state jihadism. we have to fight over there. we've been extremely absent and catering to the islamic mindset of fear of westernism. so we have to engage in the idealogical war and let the mad dog mattises of the world destroy them on the battled field. >> neil: i'm getting a sense that this is the primary concern, back and forth and russia, back and forth about how we deal with china. but front and center right now is how we take on isis. so he's probably -- that is the president going to want a plan for that. and then an aggressive one. where do you see this going? >> well, i hope we shift the axis of domestic and global approach from violent extremism to violent islamism.
hamas, the muslim brotherhood, al-quaida, they're all part of the same tree, which is this sense of islamist supremacy, the sharia state. part of the legacy groups, et cetera, they're not part of our alleys. they don't share our ideology of freedom. so we have to start to understand that the conveyor belt towards these groups to abandon this whack'em all program, so they're ready and willing to advise them on that. >> neil: i want your take on this sort of change or slight on the part of the president and torture and how he refers to his defense secretary, that he's not in favor of the no torture and he would defer to that view. something that john mccain and others have urged as well. what do you make of that in our fight against isis and
terrorists, whether that's good or bad? >> i think the good cop bad cop discussion between president trump and the generals is very effective. america will not be weak and we won't let our enemies determine what we do to keep our country safe. on the other hand, to be that beacon of freedom and morality. we have to maintain the geneva convention, maintain that air of enlightenment and freedom and the muslims see us asseting the standard globally rather than going to their level. i believe one that believes that we should not do things that ineffective and also not surrender and do things that wouldn't keep us safe. >> neil: all right. thanks, doctor. thanks for taking the time. >> any time. thanks, neil. >> neil: i want to go to colonel schaffer, retired u.s. army
intelligence. tony, we're waiting for this event here, but already on the torture pivot or whatever you want to call it, tony, senators john mccain and lindsey graham have said we're pleased by president trump's statement that he will defer to secretary mattis's view on torture and water boarding. do you agree? >> i agree that torture has not worked by my experience. bill clear on this. i don't think we should be having a discussion regarding torture in public. it's one of those things where i don't believe for a minute we should be doing it. sometimes the implication that we can do it, the fear of that existing is an effective tool by itself. let's face it, psychologically, the fear of something is greater than the actual event. while i agree and look, i said this in my book, we talked about operation dark heart.
you can break someone with psychological tricks if you know what you're doing. i agree with general mattis. i think mr. trump may have gotten some bad advice along the way somewhere. >> neil: as we wait for this to kickoff with the president and defense secretary, what difference does it make in the secretary seems to be held in high regard throughout the establishment. the praises, mutual, but to have for the defense establishment to have one of its own in that job. you're a great military right in your own right. we're used to bureaucrats of late. not across the board but it's been a theme. here we have a retired general for whom we made an allowance, a change to get him to the position he's in now. how important will that be? how effective in this job do you think he will be? >> let me give you more on general mattis. let me tell you, the two things that have really endeared him to
everybody, neal, why you see a reverence for him, his integrity, his honesty. he tells it like it is. he was working with me on a project recently supporting the chairman of the joint chiefs. he was supposed to basically validate something we were doing. neil, he would show up to every meeting. he was there. you know, he would call me. i was by the capitol one day. i get this call. hey, tony, jim mattis. do you have ten minutes for me to give you guidance? oh, yeah. he's that kind of guy. he's very hands on. so what i'm trying to tell you, there's a reason why, neil, that this man is so well-respected. he leads. i think in has been the one missing quality of the civilian side of the pentagon. i'm sorry. ash carter was not leading. he was a bureaucrat. this is where we'll see leadership. >> neil: thanks, colonel. tony shaffer from the pentagon.
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one is a tougher vetting of refugees from problematic regions of the world, terror prone regions of the world. the president will flesh that out in his description of the executive order. whether he says so there or we glean more there is anyone's guess. speaking of the president, we talked about this phone call that he had that he initiated with then't of mexico after the big dust-up yesterday over the wall and whether the mexicans will pay for it. he put a call in. but -- so that might have soothed some feelings a lit bit. the president says a 20% tax on mexico is certainly an option. he just did this interview with the christian broadcasting network. he said this tax is something that could have positive effects and would be much more positive for mexico and the united states. so we're watching this. we're watching these developments. we're getting the read right now.
how much of this might have been buoyed on how this to deal with terror, what to do about water boarding and torture and all that. a lot of this has to do with theresa may in town, the british prime minister who might have played a role akin to maggie thatcher. what do you think? >> i do. the news conference today went very well for theresa may. she's the first world lead tore kind of meet face to face with mr. trump or president trump, i should say. let's face it, an unorthodox, unpredictable person. she got out without any expected headlines. there was a genuine walk between the two leaders and downing street will be happy with how things went. >> neil: they appeared to have gotten along, louise. one thing i noticed, she seemed to say, although the president
did not, that nato has some value and that the president seemed to agree with that. and on torture as well. how do we think this relationship is going? >> it's a two-way street. donald trump used his considerable charm on the prime minister and maybe vice versa. they did seem to get along well. theresa may would say that james mattis, who is about to be sworn in, is one of donald trump's best decisions. the united kingdom has a prohibition against torture. that's not that the c.i.a. and the military wants to see. so trump carrying a big stick but listening to reason. he's getting the best of both words. you saw a lot of future cooperation, the groundwork was laid in that speech. but for theresa may to get her big win, she was able to say, mr. president, you said you were 100% behind nato. that's what she gets to take
home today. >> neil: now, it's what happens and what he says after that, right? sometimes he can clarify a position. he was never anti-nato. just the way the structure is that had to be examined. where do you see this and the role of this relationship going forward? >> with the united kingdom, it will go fine. i think the statements he's made on nato, i do think he will pull back a little bit. i was interested when he was pushed on the issue of torture, he side-stepped it and said well, it's up to defense secretary mathis. i rely on him. he has the experience and expertise. i'll take his recommendations. very smart, like a politics the way he side-stepped that. overall, louise is right. the headlines in the british media late this afternoon is that donald trump is 100% behind nato. he shook a few trees when he
said that perhaps nato was out of date and needed updating and people needed to contribute more. make no mistake, there are things that theresa may and donald trump don't agree on. the iran deal, i think. the torture for sure. and nato possibly and sanctions on russia. i thought it was clever they didn't talk about the russian sanctions issue before the news conference today. they saved that for after. >> neil: they did dance around a couple things. louise, this is an area -- real quickly. they could talk soon here -- where europe seems to like the idea of america first, right? american might reasserting itself or saving the europeans of that burden. seemed to be a welcome development. >> and the british, you know, neil, have greeted trump that other people need to do their fair share. where is france, where is
turkey? >> neil: all right. mike pence and james mattis at the pentagon. >> good afternoon. mr. president, chairman members of the joint chiefs of staff, leadership of the department of defense, men and women of our armed forces. distinguished guests. thank you for being here today for the ceremonial swearing in of general james mattis as the 26th secretary of defense of the united states of america. it is a high honor for me to be with you here today. you look around this room, we stand in a place of honor.
the hall of heros. the names of 3,498 american patriots are inscribed on these walls. each of these performed personal acts of valor above and beyond the call of duty and received the medal of honor as a consequence. it's humbling for us to be among their names. and to be with all of you. secretary mattis is soon to mark his 50th anniversary in the service of this country. during more than four decades in uniform, secretary mattis commanded marines. he led an infantry battalion in iraq in 1991, an expeditionary
brigade. secretary mattis commanded u.s. joint forces command nato supreme allied command for tr s transformati transformation. he commanded over 200,000 soldiers, sailors, airmen, coast guardsmen and marines across the middle east. now mr. secretary, your president has called you to lead all of the armed forces of the united states. he and i have the highest faith in your judgment and your courage and your dedication to this nation. so on behalf of president trump, it is my great privilege to issue the oath of office. if you would place your left hand on the bible. raise your right hand. repeat after me. i james norman mattis do
solemnly swear that i will support and defend the constitution of the united states, against all enemies, foreign and domestic, that i will bear true faith and allegiance to the same, that i take this obligation freely, and without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion, and that i will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office upon which i am about to enter, so help me god. congratulations. >> thank you. [applause]
>> thank you, mr. vice president and mr. president. thank you very much for your confidence in me and welcome to the headquarters of your military, your always loyal military where america's awesome determination to defend ourself is on full display. i would tell you that you've made clear, mr. president, your commitment to a strong national defense and the americans honored in this hall remind us of our strength as a nation of patriots. on behalf of your department, i want you to know that after more than a decade of war, our longest war, those serving today have been tested and you can count on us all the way. we're grateful for you to be here, show your respect for us on a day when former secretary of defense, bill cohen, former secretaries are here. it's a reminder that this department stands in perpetuity as the defender, the sentinels
and the guardians of the nation. thank you for your confidence in me, mr. president. >> total confidence. thank you very much. [applause] >> that's total confidence. believe me. i'd like to first congratulate general james mattis, now secretary mattis. secretary mattis has devoted his life to serving his country. he's a man of honor, a man of devotion and a man of total action. he likes action. he is the right man at the right time and he will do us all very, very proud. i'm honored to stand here today among so many patriots. you are the backbone of this country. you are the spirit of this nation in every sense. the men and women of the united states military are the greatest
force for justice and peace and goodness that have ever walked the face of this earth. your legacy exists everywhere in the world today where people are more free, more prosperous and more secure because of the united states of america. you have earned and ensured for our children the glorious right of freedom bestowed on us by god. we stand today in the hall of heros, great heros, a testament to the undying courage of those who wear our nation's uniform and who have received the highest distinction, the medal of honor. this is a sacred hall that all of our nation lives between these walls. these walls tell the story of
those intrepid americans that gave everything, risked everything and fought with everything they had to save their fellow warriors and warriors they are, believe me. warriors they are and to save our wondrous liberties and to save this god-blessed land. they shed their blood and poured out the love from their hearts to protect our home. we are in awe of their valor, tremendous valor, and we pledge our dedication to every single family serving our country and our flag. that is why today i am signing two executive actions to ensure the sacrifices of our military, are supported by the actions of our government. they will always be supported by
the actions of our government. believe me. first i'm signing an executive action to begin a great rebuilding of the armed services of the united states. developing a plan for new planes, new ships, new resources and new tools for our men and women in uniform. i'm very proud to be doing that. [applause] as we prepare our budget request for congress, and i think congress is going to be very happy to see it, our military strength will be questioned by no one but neither will our dedication to peace. we do want peace. secondly, i'm established new vetting measures to keep radical
islamic terrorists out of the united states of america. we don't want them here. we want to ensure that we are not admitting into our country the very threats our soldiers are fighting overseas. we only want to admit those into our country who will support our country and love deeply our people. we will never forget the lessons of 9-11, nor the heros that lost their lives at the pentagon. they were the best of us. we will honor them not only with our words, but with our actions. that's what we're doing today. i am privileged to be here with you, and i promise that our administration will always have your back. we will always be with you. i just want to thank you very much. [applause]
i want to just extend a very special congratulations to a great man, and that's secretary mattis. i think he's going to lead us so brilliantly. he's a tremendous soldier, always has been. he's a general's general. every general that i spoke to, they just -- i won't say that they all said he's our favorite, but they did. he's our favorite. he's a special, special man. so i want to bless him and god bless you and god bless america. secretary mattis, i have no doubt you're going to do an outstanding job. thanks very much for accepting this responsibility. thank you. [applause]
>> this is the protection of the nation from foreign terrorist entry to the united states. we all know what that means. protection of the nation from foreign terrorists entry into the united states. and i want to thank everybody. many great heros, great warriors. we have tremendous respect for you all. thank you for being here. [applause]
chairman michael mccall with us right now. these latest orders are -- what do you -- the rebuilding of the armed services i can see. what will cause some controversy among some, what does he mean by extreme vetting of refugees? what changes now versus before he signed that order? >> it's a safer day for americans with one stroke of the pen. he closed off more terror pathways than the past eight years under president obama. this is nothing really new. it's something that mayor rudy guliani and i briefed the president on during the campaign. each extreme medium though that was produced, judge mukasey. it talks about the high threat overseas and ramping up the vetting process to make sure we don't have any more san bernardinos in this country, orlandos. all these areas where people come in to the united states and
perpetrate terror attacks. i applaud the president for doing this. also, one thing that i don't think he mentioned will suspend the refugee program in particular, the syrian refugee program indefinitely. that's a very significant campaign promise that he's followed through with today. i just talked to general kelly before this interview about this executive order. and i will be working with the secretary in the congress to help implement these executive orders. >> does it mean, chairman, that if you have or you come from a country with a lot of tearist incidents that we would go slow on allowing you to come here or is it just -- you know, terror hot beds? >> these are basically seven terror hotspot countries will be denied every visa, every application will be suspended
for 30 days until the dni and the secretary of homeland security can sit down with the fbi as well to determine, you know, this vetting process as to who are we letting into this country. we have seen in the past, we haven't even used social media to determine who we're letting into this country. countries like iran, iraq, sudan, libya, yemen. they all have a very high level of isis figures present in those countries. they could potentially get into our country through the visa process. so i think this will strengthen our homeland security and i really applaud the president for what he's doing. >> neil: chairman, as you know, there's a back and forth and some tension between ourselves and the mexican government over this wall that the president wants to build. insists the mexicans will pay for it. he made a call himself to the
mexican president today, spoke upwards of an hour. don't know what the results of the call was. to try maybe to make nice, i don't know how you'd describe it. in a later interview with christian broadcasting, said i'm still for the tax, some sort of tariff without calling it a tariff on goods coming in from mexico to pay for this things. are you open to that? you think that is doable? >> you know, we're looking at creative ways to pay for this. we will have a border emergency spending bill in the congress coming up in the next couple months. i'll be working with secretary kelly on what the wall will look like, aviation technology assets. on the front end, we'll appropriate the dollars out of congress. on the back end, we're looking at some creative ideas like the border, adjustable tax rate. right now we tax experts but not
imports. >> neil: i hear the 20% figure come up or something like that. >> it's a bit arbitrary. it's a little early to be -- we're looking at all sorts of ideas in the congress. again, right now, we currently tax experts and not imports and punish american manufacturers. very consistent with the trump administration theme here to protect america first. we're looking at this awed of paul ryan, looking at it, in terms of a revenue enhancer that would bring the number of i was told, about a trillion dollar investment in the united states. so if that is a way the president can say mexico helps pay for the wall, that may not be a bad idea. >> neil: thanks, chairman, michael mccall out of austin. the read on that and what to make of this, the president sort
of retargets our border and tries to make sure that we're safe, lieutenant colonel tony shaffer back with us and colonel mcguinness. the wall is going up. it's a serious wall and its happening. the president is throwing a lot of ideas out there, border tax, a host of other ways to technically have the mexicans pay for it. we would kind of pay that, the american consumers would, but i guess the devil's in the details. what do you think of that, that this is the best way to go about it? >> well, the president just following through on a campaign promise. he's going to defend this country. obviously includes building a wall in his opinion, raising thousands of border agents and getting serious about those that try to come into this country, especially as the chairman said moments ago from seven countries that are known to produce islam mist terrorists.
so i think the president is just following through with all of these things that long ago he promised. he's credible. he sounded i think proud to be there, something that we haven't heard in awhile quite frankly and standing there in the hall of heros with 3,500 names etched in the wall behind him sends a very clear and a warming message to those of us that work in the building and those of us across the world that seek and reinforcement, the strengthening and america first. >> neil: tony, one of the things he talked about is reinforcing the border, whether the mexicans pay for it or we do, it's going to happen. what do you want to see? people talk about a physical wall. some say that's not feasible across the entire border. someone that looks after our security, worried about it, what would you like to see? >> militarily, as patton said, you know, these obstacles are not adequate without other
things. so the concept is good but you have to do intelligence preparation, the battle space. you have to look at this in depth. the mexicans have been terrible about not just allowing mexicans across the border. many refugees are from honduras, any other latin america countries. they're just coming through. we have to look at how to create a defense in depth and to include then stopping terrorists and other folks being able to penetrate the border. this is what has been horrific the past administration has handled that. it's not about wall. it's about building multiple concepts and looking at using intelligence where you think people are building up to come across. you have to look apartment counter drug, tunnels. i'd like to base this on john kelly taking over dhs, another military man, a marine. we'll see more complex thinking, much like who was produced when the border was conceived about
five years ago. >> neil: switching gears a little bit, robert. vladimir putin's name came up today at the press conference with theresa may, the british prime minister and the president once again said what he said before. i don't know vladimir putin. i hope that i can get along. i don't know if i'll like him or disliking him. but we'll see. how do you think that's going along? seemed like the day before with republicans gathering in philadelphia for their retreat, that the british prime minister was saying kind of a new version of, all right, that's fine, trust by verify. play off the old ronald reagan line. are you in that camp? >> i'm very concerned about the russians. they have increased their capability across the board. vladimir putin is just the tip of the iceberg. most of the russian people support him. the attitude that comes through in their media and to the american public i think from
vladimir putin is indicative of what they feel. they have very strong ambitions. they want a restoration of what they had one time prior to the end of the cold war. putin has made no pretense about that. he wants that. we've seen expansion of their capabilities in places like syria, which is indicative of their foreign policy. they're pushing hard in the baltics and of course in the ukraine. so across the world, russia is a threat. i hope president trump can negotiate with mr. putin and find some sort of reconciliation so that we're not so confrontational. make no secret about it, the russians are a threat and we need to deal with them appropriately, but i would be very hesitant about taking the first step. let them make that. >> neil: we know about a phone call tomorrow between pvladimir putin and see how that goes. we know from theresa may that
the president still stands by nato. he didn't say that. she did, that he said that. i don't know what the true case is. how do you feel that is going along and how you feel europe is reacting or whether easing up now on it's initial concerns about the president? >> look, i know for a fact that nike flynn has had discussions on what i call nato 2.0. we were quiet -- we talked about this a little bit. there's a group of us quietly working to advise the chairman of the joint chiefs, a guy name james mattis was the validater. we've been looking at this for a while. one of the recommendations we made before this came up, let's look at how we can make 24th centu century relevant. i mentioned this to mr. trump in august. they were thinking, how do we make nato relevant. i'd like to believe what you saw is an outgrowth of donald
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tonight. this is one of the backward and nasty executive orders the president has issued." also today thousands of anti-abortion protesters gathered in washington for the annual march for life. mike pence told the crowd the president would announce a supreme court nominee soon and trump hinted strongly at the person he's choosing. >> the person i pick will be a big, big -- i think people are going to love it. i think evangelicals, christians will love my pick. and we'll be represented very fairly. >> jeff zeleny begins our coverage tonight out front at the white house. trump signing a flurry of executive orders this week, up to 14, but these on immigration, do they really have teeth? >> reporter: indeed they do. the ones that he signed late today, they do sort of play out exactly what he talked about in the campaign, extreme vetting. it should come as no surprise, but they are going at the heart
of refugees coming here to the country, particularly syrian refugees. the white house just moments ago actually released some of these orders. we are looking through them right now. but they do specifically focus muslim majority countries. this is all coming on a day when here at the white house he opened his doors for the first time to a foreign leader. >> i'm not as fresh as you might think. >> reporter: president trump welcomed british prime minister theresa may to the white house pledging to uphold the special relationship with the you can you can you c united kingdom. >> great days lie ahead for our two peoples and our two countries. >> reporter: the world was watching for the first meeting with the foreign leader. yet it was the more challenging diplomatic test he's facing with mexico and russia that took center stage, the president taking steps to cool an escalating standoff with mexico. he spoke on the phone for nearly an hour today with mexican president enrique pena nieto, who cancelled a trip to the u.s. over trump's demand that mexico
could do it without congress. something congress is likely to take issue with. >> it's something i have the right to do, something i can impose if i want. we are getting along actually very well with the mexican government. we'll see what happens. >> reporter: a week into his presidency, he said it's too early to say whether he will lift sanctions imposed by president obama against russian president vladimir putin. he's set to talk with putin by phone on saturday. after being criticized for his praise of the russian leader, mr. trump took a more measured approach today. >> how the relationship works out i won't be able to tell you that later. i've had many times where i'd thought i'd get along with people and i don't like them at al all. and i've had some i didn't think i would have much of a relationship and it turned out to be much of a relationship. >> reporter: the president said he believes waterboarding and other forms of torture work but would follow the lead of james
research that the there are far more christians than muslims. this year the number of muslims ticked up because you had so many leaving syria and the vast majority of refugees leaving syria are muslim. specifically syria, the percentage of religions coming out of there and into the u.s. 99% muslim, less than 1% christian. to be clear, the population of syria sl almost -- not exclusively but the vast majority of people are muslim. latest numbers we have, 93% of the population is muslim, 5% christian. i should note that in recent years many of the christians have fled that country because of the dangers that donald trump is talking about. and most of them are concentrated around the damascus area. so donald trump is implying actually more than implying, saying in a statement the u.s. made it more difficult for christians to come in than muslims. the fact is the u.s. does not look at religion, does not give christian or muslim a benefit.
it looks at the status of the refugee. the reason you have more muslim refugees coming from syria is there are more muslim refugees trying to flee syria, not because the u.s. has imposed some sort of advantage on muslim versus christian. >> jim sciutto, thank you very much. laying out those facts there. democratic senator jeff merkley sits in the senate foreign relations committee among others. you heard president trump say he will give priority to christian refugees. what do you think of that? >> i think it goes against the fundamental nature of freedom of religion in our country. it's a foundation we don't discriminate on the basis of religion. when it comes to refugee, chiselled into the foundation of the base of the statue of liberty, it says give us your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free, the oppressed and afflicted of the world, not those of one
religion or another. i'm particularly concerned about the second half of his order addressing basically being a muslim registration operation. >> so i want to ask you about that. you're talking about a muslim registry. we have the order now so it would be a temporary ban on visas from a group of muslim majority countries. when he signed this executive order earlier tonight he spoke about what he wanted to accomplish. >> i'm establishing new vetting measures to keep radical islamic terrorists out of the united states of america. we don't want them here. >> we know the san bernardino attacks were carried out by a woman who had come to the united states from pakistan. better vetting may have stopped her. she and her husband killed 14 innocent people. isn't trump right to establish new vetting procedures? >> we had this model in place and it didn't produce a single
prosecution because those who would do us harm are going to circumvent that basic process. but what this does do is it feeds right into the isis message to recruit terrorists, which is that america is conducting a war on islam. so we've had this before. it didn't work, and in fact it caused a lot of hatred towards the united states, feeds into isis' rhetoric, and that makes us less safe rather than more safe. >> when you look just at that case as an example, they didn't check social media, didn't do certain things. i think we could all look and say we wish they had. maybe you're saying extreme vetting wouldn't accomplish that, but is he wrong to say that those processes need to be looked at? >> listen, the -- we had this exact model in place. it didn't catch the situation that occurred in california. it didn't catch anyone, not one, but it did feed a lot of the
hatred of folks who felt the united states was treating muslims as second-class citizens both inside of our country and treating muslims poorly around the world. and so if you want to add to the risk to the united states, this is a good strategy. if you want the united states to be safe, absolutely, vet our folks coming into this country. we do it. but don't do it on a religious basis. >> so today the president, in addition to those orders he signed today, haeld press conference with the british prime minister. he talked about the weight of the office and how it has turned him towards god. this was in an interview with the christian broadcasting network. >> i've always felt the need to pray, and you know that, so i would say that the office is so powerful that you need god even more because your decisions are no longer, gee, i'm going to
build a building in new york or i'm going to do -- these are questions of massive life and death. there's almost not a decision that you make when you're sitting in this position that isn't a really life-altering position. so god comes into it even more so. >> when you hear him talk about god, does that make you more comfortable he's assuming the weight of his office or make you less comfortable? >> i've been hoping as he assumes the mantel of leadership he'd step back from a lot of the conspiracy and hatred of groups and start to represent all of our nation and understand how important these decisions are. i was very concerned about his comments about nuclear weapons, nuclear arms race, because if you take someone who has a massive ego and isn't taking a decision seriously, we could make mistakes that could harm the entire planet. so that's a very thoughtful
statement and seeking spiritual guidance. that is a good thing. i must say, however, though, i hope he'll bring much more of that concern as he nominates people for his administration because what we have seen as a man who campaigned, he campaigned against wit wall street, he campaigned for worker, and he campaigned for draining the swamp, but we're getting the swamp cabinet of big oil, big banks, and billionaires who are very poor fit for running the departments that he's assigned them to. >> senator merkley sh, apprecia your time. >> you're welcome. next, president trump says one man has proof of massive voter fraud. who is he? and what is his evidence? plus why were the president and british prime minister holding hands at the white house today? and our special investigation series on president trump's border wall. tonight inside the vast network of tunnels under the u.s./mexican border.
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president trump not backing down on his claim of voter fraud in the election. he tweeted look toward to seeing final results. greg phillips and crew say at least 3 million votes were illegal. we must do better. so who is greg phillips and why is trump citing him as a source? drew griffin is out front. >> reporter: where does donald trump get his information of massive voter fraud? not from study after study, report after report, analysis after analysis that has found no evidence but from a nonprofit group that has released no evidence. its leading voice is the former executive director of the mississippi republican party. he's now ceo of a health data company based in texas and a conspiracy theorist, and this morning on cnn's "new day" greg
phillips wouldn't say what his proof actually is. >> you said we know 3 million illegally voted. >> we didn't name a soul, a person. >> will you? >> yes. >> do you have the proof? >> yes. >> will you provide it? >> yes. >> can i have it? >> no. >> why? >> we're going to release everything to the public. >> when? >> as soon as we get done with the checks. >> president trump apparently can't wait either. after greg phillips' appearance, the president tweeted, look forward to seeing final results of vote stand. greg phillips and crew say at least 3 million votes were illegal. we must do better. votestand is greg phillips' mostly empty app site with no proof of anything. it's affiliated with true the vote, a nonprofit that raised a million dollars in 2014 according to its latest tax filing. paid half of that amount in salaries including $120,000 to its director, who raises money
by hiring private fund-raisers and posting frightening but vague youtube posts like this. >> is election fraud a real problem? yes. how bad is it? well, we have over 800 convictions listed in our online convictions database, but that number does not scratch the surface because for every case of fraud that's actually run through the multiyear gauntlet of litigation that's generally necessary to get a conviction, another hundred cases are never prosecuted at all. >> how does she know that? good question. here are the facts. there is no proof of widespread voter fraud in the united states. in study after study, republican-led, democratic-led, independent-led, academic led, going back years and years, no one has been able to prove there is systemic vote fraud in u.s. elections. and we've been down this road before. in 2002, republican president george bush with his republican
attorney general john ashcroft launched the ballot access and voting integrity initiative to crack down on election crimes including vote fraud. after six years, the total number of people convicted for voter fraud, less than 150. a rutgers professor who analyzed data from the initiative concluded the percentage of illegal votes was statistically zero. and as for the elected secretaries of state who actually run elections in their states, not one, republican or democrat, has voiced any concern about massive voter fraud in the november 8 election prompting the national association of secretaries of state to say we are not aware of any evidence that supports the voter fraud claims made by president trump. apparently not enough evidence for the president. >> drew griffin joins me now. also with me our washington bureau chief from the daily
beat, david chalian. drew, you've gone through the facts. we're hearing these assertions they say they'll come forward and have names. is it possible there's any way, that there's some evidence the secretaries of state have missed and everyone else has missed and there are millions of illegal votes? >> no. i don't know how else we can go over this but no. the people in charge of the elections are secretaries of state. that was a powerful statement. house speaker paul ryan has said i've found no evidence. in a december 1st file big trump's own attorneys, all available evidence suggests the 2016 general election was not tainted by fraud. some people, erin, are going to watch this and think we're all involved in a conspiracy, a media conspiracy, to hide the fact that 3 million to 5 million people voted illegally in this election, but that's a pretty big and growing conspiracy of
conspirators now involving 32 republican secretaries of state i guess. >> pretty stunning because you have to realize that there would have had to have been coordination. this wouldn't have randomly happened sporadically all over the place. david, president trump is citing greg phillips and drew just showed us who he is. he has shown no evidence of voter fraud. you heard him there. he'll put it out when he's going to put it out, has no credibility on this issue. how dangerous is this that the president of the united states put out a tweet citing this guy by name? >> well, i mean, it could be dangerous. it's certainly not a wise move for the president of the united states, the leader of the free world, to be highlighting and spotlighting conspiracy theorists with no proof of what they're claiming. that's not a good thing. but i think there are two ways to think about this. if this is just donald trump smarting over the fact that he did not win the popular vote, that's one thing. and then this could be sort of a personal mission for him. but if this is donald trump as i
think some of his critics fear laying the groundwork to put more strict voting regulations and rules into place to try to limit people's access to the vote, then that could become a much more serious problem. >> jackie, to push his unproven voter fraud allegation, trump told a story this week. he had this cocktail party at the white house and told a story about a german golfer. he said this golfer went to vote, i don't know why, but he went to vote in florida and he was turned away. latin-americans, hispanic who is he says were not citizens voted. turns out the story is not true. but trump apparently was told the story, running with it, telling people, using it to bolster his claim. what does this mean about how he's going to govern? this is governing by anecdote. >> i hope this isn't how. it's like an episode of gossip girl. it's not usually what comes out of the oval office. a guy told a guy who may have been that guy's cousin that
there was voter fraud. it doesn't make sense. it doesn't inspire confidence. one would hope that, you know, perhaps he would get his sourcing a little better before he makes these kind of wild very serious allegations having to do with the electoral process. but, yeah, once you started digging into this, the daughter of that german golfer said trump and this golfer aren't even friends. so the whole story was sort of blown up with a couple phone calls. >> drew, this happened before president george w. bush ordered an investigation into voter fraud. it took six years. you report fewer than 150 people were criminally convicted. that was after six years of investigating. a lot of money spent on an investigation. trump is looking for 3 million to 5 million convictions. >> i just don't know where he's going with this, how he would possibly get the money to do this. obviously the republicans in his own party are just, you know, holding their nose and hoping this all goals away.
but to jackie's point, you know, i heard the same thing out in the street. i was in fayetteville, north carolina. you hear these stories. a guy comes up and says a bus driver told me he drove around black church members to voting place to voting place. they believe this stuff. you start asking questions like oh, really? do you know the bus driver? no. do you know the bus company? no. do you remember the cloud cover of the bus? no. but they believe it and this is the kind of conspiracy theorys that keep driving these issues. >> one other point. if there are 3 million to 5 million illegal votes, why is it only donald trump who is complaining? there are other people on the ballot. and even if the white house recently pointed to california and new york, don't you think that if you were somebody on the ballot in california and new york and you lost that you would be raising -- nobody else is raising this concern. >> if those votes came in certain states it would have flipped the election so if hillary clinton thought there was anything in this, she would be yelling loud and clear. thanks to all three and drew for that amazing reporting.
next, president trump's threatening a massive tax on mexico. my guest is the founder of patrone tequila. he says americans will pay that price. and our special series takes you to the u.s./mexican border. footage from inside tunnels used by smugglers and immigrants. >> the imagination of people trying to illicitly trying to come north is something i don't second guess. they're incredible. (vo) do not go gentle into that good night, old age should burn and rave at close of day; rage, rage against the dying of the light. do not go gentle into that good night. ♪ ♪
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back along the southern border. this time in california with incredible access to an underground network of drug smuggling tunnels that stretch from mexico beneath the existing border fence into the united states. here's ed lavendandera with the story you'll see only "out front." >> reporter: for years the vigilance along the southern border has been growing. border agents kriz crossing the remote terrains and urban streets, ground scenters and high powered cameras keeping constant watch. now smugglers go where the cameras and eyes can't see them. we are in a tunnel underneath otay mesa, california, south of san diego on the border with tijuana, mexico. this is a tunnel that stretched about 7650 feet from tijuana into a warehouse or would have stretched into a warehouse on the other side of the border and we're about 70 feet underground
right now. >> that's one of the deeper tunnels we've found. >> reporter: lance is part of a specialized team of border patrol agents known as the tunnel rats. they work underground, 1/2 gaiting newly discovered tunnels and sewer systems. >> reporter: do you think these tunnels started appearing as a response -- as more fencing went up in this area? >> oh, i'm sure it probably did. but we're also still talking there's a lot of stuff they have to move. >> reporter: homeland security officials say in the last ten years nearly 30 tunnels have been discovered just in the san diego area alone. >> they will continue to go on between the u.s. and mexican border, yes, it will continue. there's a way that these drug trafficking organizations can stay undetected and it's by tunneling, they will. >> reporter: this is usually a high-dollar, high, you know, risk/reward enterprise. >> it's a lot of stuff that they've got to move in a relatively short amount of time. >> reporter: he says the tunnels are used to move large packs of
marijuana and cocaine and often lined with electrical power and ventilation. >> this one had a rail system in it. >> reporter: how long does it take to build something like this? >> depend ong the resiliency of the digging crew, they can go really fast really far. >> is it by hand, by shovel? >> basically almost exclusively by hand with power tools. >> reporter: when these things started popping up, what was your reaction to that? >> the imagination of people trying to illicitly come north is something i don't try to second-guess. i mean, it is -- they're incredible, some of the methods they use. >> reporter: fighting this ingenuity below ground has fundamentally changed life on the border above ground. alycia and chris martin spend their lives straddling both sides of the border. they own organic farms in mexico and a produce distribution business and one of the most unique restaurants in mexico. the restaurant is called the rock. >> yes, it is.
yeah. la roca. >> reporter: because your uncle built this into the side of this mountain. >> that's me. >> reporter: as a child she remembers freely crossing the border into mexico. >> this is our farm. we'd come down in our bathing suits as kids, get the popsicle, get the ice cream and go back. >> reporter: with immigration controls tightening on the u.s. side and the fear of cartel violence, the restaurant has struggled to keep its doors open. >> it was all of a sudden somebody came in and hit the light switch and there was nobody. there was nobody in town. there was nobody on the street. >> they're difficult problems to solve, throwing up trade barriers, putting up a wall. there's such harsh approaches to the problems. once again you're treating a symptom and you're not going after the root cause of the problem. >> reporter: perhaps no place symbolizes the impact of tightened border security quite like this place. this is one of the smallest
legal border checkpoints you're going to find. this is the crossing in big ben national park. literally two little boats and a guy who rows you across. it's a small town of 200 people. its lifeline is the tourists that venture across the rio grand for the tama lays at jose falcon's restaurant. >> it's very nice to live here. >> reporter: lilia runs the restaurant her father opened in 1973, but after 9/11, the united states closed the border crossing and the town slowly started dying. falcons had to close. the entry point reopened almost four years ago and falcon's is back. but lilia falcon worries about donald trump's crackdown on immigration and border security. if that border crossing goes -- >> then the town again will be dead again.
it would be hard, very hard again. we wouldn't like to go through it again. >> reporter: it's the chance of taking this rowboat to tore side that just might be the best $5 you'll ever spend. >> ed, you've travelled the length of the entire southern border, almost 2,000 miles. you've seen the wall that exists, seen where it stop, seen the mountains, seen the rivers, the tunnels. what has stood out the most? >> reporter: there's little moments like that in south texas where we saw a stack of ladders that had been abandoned next to one of the border walls, clearly left by migrants who had used these ladders to scale over that wall. full of moments like that. but overall what has really struck me this week reporting this series is the sense that you get from people that the changes they expect to see here at the dawn of the donald trump administration is very similar to the changes that were sparked in the years after 9/11. and there's that sense from
these border communities that the changes will be that dramatic here in the years ahead. >> all right. ed lavandera, thank you for that incredible series that i think has opened the eyes for so many watching. "out front" now, i want to go to the former arizona sheriff. thank you, sheriff. i appreciate you taking the time. >> of course. >> ed lavandera has spent the past month on this special series traveling across the american/mexican border. tonight you saw the massive tunnels. i know you're familiar with those. >> yes. >> one where we see ed right now 70 feet underground. >> right. >> underneath the existing fence that exists. so do you still think a wall is the right answer? i mean, you can't put a wall 70 feet below the ground. if you do, they go down 80, right? they've got ventilation, electricity. they've got it wired for rail. >> right. well, i could tell you that largely what we're looking at, there's the illegal immigration issue, there's the drug smuggli smuggling issue, which are
largely these tunnels are used almost exclusively for, and then there's the larger issue which i think wasn't eve an part of this conversation, is the national security threat posed by an unsecured border. look, if we had over a half a million just basic illegals, people who wanted to come here to the united states for a better life, for a job, for health care, whatever purpose, far more never were apprehended. so it stands to reason that if basic illegals can come in here in that volume, that people that have terrorist intentions with military training and deliberate plans could sneak through as well. >> i understand your point. this has been raised by middle eastern leaders and others. fair point. i'm getting at would the wall stop them or anyone else that wants to come in? >> yes, it would. >> why? >> and the reason i say that, i served as an army officer commanding up to 1,100 soldiers in yuma. there not only when you had
14-foot-tall corrugated steel, no-climb fence, far more important than the fence is enforcing the law. when there's real consequences behind it, and that's what we haven't had, under both democrats and republicans. there's a lot of blame to go around. donald trump is going to enforce the laws currently on the books. >> that's one thing but isn't that different than the wall? we went through the tunnel issue, 70 feet underground. a wall doesn't help with that. he found the stacks of ladders. the wall in many places ed went, it's 10 to 20 feet high, easy to scale or use a ladder. eld was able to go under the wall, slither underneath it in a couple places. i see your point about consequences and all your points -- >> there's a proof of concept -- it does. in yuma that i point out 94% reduction in illegal entries. that's a secure border. that's what it looks like. and it's because you have
physical barrier but you also need the enforcement. there's nine sectors of the border patrol along the southwest border an very few were actually enforcing what was called streamline. an actual consequence if you breached that barrier, that wall, you were deported and there were consequences behind it. most of the border there was disparate enforcement. full catch and release was happening and so when there's no consequence and no enforcement, of course, my deputies have arrested people 16, 22 times. they keep returning. and hay whooi wouldn't they? because there's no consequence or punishment. that's what's really been the issue here, far more than a wall, far more than any other issue that people think is going to solve it. it's going to be enforcement of u.s. laws. >> all right, sheriff. thank you very much. i appreciate your time. >> thank you, erin. anytime. next, my next guest is the founder of patron, the tequila.
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breaking news, in a rare press conference today one of the richest men in the world, the mexican billionaire carlos slim offering to negotiate with president trump on trump's behalf. out front now, billionaire businessman john paul desoria, the co-founder of patron tequila produced in mexico and john paul mitchell systems. our biggest number, the tax that president trump is again threatening to put on inputs from mexico to pay for the wall. you make and then export patron from mexico. if the tax comes into effect, what happens? >> if it comes into effect, unfortunately with all due respect, the mexican government doesn't pay for it, the u.s. consumer does. if the tax comes across, we have to raise our prices. we can't make the tequila in the united states. our quality tequila has to be
made in mexico by law, can't make it here, so it's passed on to our distributor, onto the retailer, which will pass on o e the consumer. when that happens, will people stop buying patron? probably not because people want to treat themselves to the quality, but will it affect the mexican government? i think it will affect the united states citizen more than the u.s. government, i really do -- or if the mexican government. >> in your individual case, a few dollars more with that tax? >> it will be a few dollars more a bottle with the tax but the consumer in the united states will be paying for it, not the mexican government. i think we have to take a different look at that. >> when you talk about that, this tax, that's what it means for patron. we buy auto parts, car, truck, a lot of oil. it's the fourth biggest supplier of oil to the united states. trump was asked about the point you're making, he said the tax, whether it would be passed along to consumers here in america. and i want to play for you his answer and get your reaction. >> sure.
>> well, i think some of it may get passed along but it also creates jobs. so i'm not against something like that but with respect to mexico something else could happen which would be much more positive for both mexico and the united states. >> he says i think some may get passed along but it also creates jobs. fair? >> well, you have to -- not quite. we have to really think this one out a little bit because oil, for example, and food is a commodity. if you raise the price by 20% because of whatever taxation there is, the consumer at the other end is going to pay for it. they're going to pay for it across the line. so i think they may want to think that one out a little bit. you'll be paying more for vegetables, more for gas that comes from mexico, and if such a large percentage that we use comes from mexico, it only makes sense that the only gas companies have to charge more money. so the u.s. consumer's going to pay for it. mr. trump is a smart fellow and i think mr. trump wants to do what's right, but i do think
they have to think this out a little bit more. now, when it comes to renegotiating maybe a trade pact, that's different. i know when i ship into mexico for paul mitchell hair care products, we have a duty of 16%, so we have to charge a little more money to the mexican people. they pay it because the quality of the product. so going both ways it definitely affects one another. but i know that going down there, we get charged 16% going down. >> which i think is actually an important point because people may conflate the wall with nafta itself. and off lot of issues with that. but you're saying as part of ngata, when they sell here, they there's no tariff, right? that's why he's talking about putting one on. when you go down there, you're paying right now 16% tariff. >> that is correct. that is correct. that's correct. there's no question about it. but going back to mexico paying for the wall, the way it's stated right now, i'm sure they'll review it and change it
a little bit, the u.s. consumer pays for it, not mexico. i think they'll look at it maybe a little more seriously and figure out what may work and won't work. i think across the line a 20% tax i don't think will be advantageous to our people or jobs. it won't affect our jobs as far as i know one bit. unless he only charged people that were u.s. manufacturers that ship it right back to the united states, maybe that's different. i don't know. maybe it will equalize what money they're saving so they'll hire more people in this nation. i don't know. but when it comes to things like products made in mexico that can't be made anywhere else or commodities like food, it's the american citizens that pay for it. they may want to rethink that. >> john paul, thank you very much. for all of that information. appreciate it. >> pleasure. and next, we're going to go inside the white house to find out who is closest literally because we have a seat map, people, to the ultimate seat of power.
who's d closest to trump? sara murray is out front. >> reporter: donald trump's west wing is packed with a team of advisers with often sharp elbows. in the midst of a tumultuous first week in the west wing, it appears trump is adopting the management style that suited him in business and helped him win the white house. and trying to apply it to washington's bureaucracy. >> put me into the boardroom as your representative and i will deliver for you like no politician has ever delivered, believe me. believe me. >> reporter: previous presidents have churned to their chief of staff to ensure order in the white house. trump has lavished praise on him. >> reince is fantastic. reince has been an unbelievable leader. >> reporter: but he's given reince priebus equal authority to steve bannon, trump's chief
strategist and senior counselor. they're joined in the white house by counselor to the president, kellyanne conway, someone trump holds in high esteem. >> there is no den she will not go into. when my men are petrified to go on a certain network, i say kellyanne, will you -- absolutely, no problem. and she gets on and just destroys them. >> reporter: rounding out is jared kushner. >> i sort of stole her husband. he is so great. >> reporter: his influence grew throughout the campaign and trump trusts him completely. when it comes to the prime white house real estate, priebus claims the office traditionally reserved for the chief of staff, complete with a fireplace and conference table. kushner snapped up the spot closest to the oval office and bannon is sandwiched between them. conway is settling into a space on the second floor previously inhabited by obama senior adviser valerie jarrett. ♪ money, money, money
trump has a penchant for competing power centers and a variety of viewpoints. in his view, that means the strongest proposal wins but it can breed turf wars and internal rivalries. david axelrod, who worked in the obama administration, served up even stronger warnings, noting a model chain of command and staff spats can lead to severe kwepss. >> there is a big difference between running the trump organization or even a campaign and running the white house because the decisions and statements and actions a white house takes can have grave implications, mortal implications, for people here and around the world. >> reporter: sara murray, cnn, washington. >> thanks to sarah. with the xfinity tv app,
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generals who have committed treason by fighting in the confederate army against the united states of america. the biggest u.s. military base in the world, the one with the biggest military population is in fort hood in texas, named after treasonous confederate general john bell hood. but the military's most important names, the names that are designed to deliver a message sometimes subliminal, sometimes very direct are the names of weapons. the military's best names for weapons humanize the weapons. that is what they are intended to do. the gbu-43, the biggest nonnuclear bomb the united states has never, ever used until today, april 13th, 2017. the gbu-43 had to wait years for its first use. during the bush administration, it replaced the blu-82, which until then was our biggest bomb. the blu-82 was used frequently in vietnam.
the military ace name for it was the daisy cutter. not the baby killer. not the family killer. not the village killer. the daisy cutter. the military's nicknames for bombs are designed to do two things. impress you with something about the bomb. its precision, its power, its enormity. but the best military names for weapons and bombs are designed to inspire awe and affection. and so the bomb that the bush and obama administration refused to use and has now been used by the trump administration is called the mother of all bombs. when the president was asked today about using that bomb for the first time in history, it sounded like he did authorize th the bomb in that instance. it sounded like perhaps he had given the general authorization to general mattis to use whatever weapon he decided was
right for the mission. >> did you authorize it, sir? >> everybody knows exactly what happened. what i do is i authorize my military. we have the greatest military in the world and they have done a great job as usual. we have given them total authorization. and that's what they're doing. frankly, that's why they've been so successful lately. >> the president got glowing review last week from most of the media in his first use of tomahawk missiles, his reviews on the use of the military's most destructive nonnuclear bomb will have to wait until there are at lst initial reports on the number of civilian casualty, if any, and what tactical gain was achieved by the gbu-43. now to the news that donald trump cannot bomb away, the guardian is reporting that british intelligence first became aware in late 2015 of suspicious interactions between figures connected to trump and known or suspected russian agents.
this intelligence was passed to the u.s. as part of a routine exchange of information. sources also told the paper that over the next six monday. until summer of 2016, a number of western agencies shared further information on contacts between trump's inner circle and the russians. the european countries that passed on electronic intelligence included germany, estonia and poland. according to the guardian, the alleged conversations were picked up by chance as part of routine surveillance of russian intelligence assets. at no point was british intelligence carrying out an operation against donald trump or his campaign. former trump campaign adviser carter page, who was the subject of a foreign intelligence surveillance court warrant last summer said this morning that he may have discussed lifting u.s. sanctions on russia during a trip to moscow last year. >> it sounds like from what you're saying it's possible that you may have discussed the easing of sanction. >> something may have come up in a conversation. i have no recollection.
wikileaks, i love wikileaks. >> boy, that wikileaks has done a job on her, hasn't it? >> this wikileaks is like a treasure trove. >> joining us now, malcolm nance, msnbc counterterrorism and intelligence analyst. david corn, washington bureau chief for mother jones and an msnbc political analyst. and david frump, senior editor. i want to talk about the massive bomb that was dropped today and your interpretation of its use and what you think it might have been able to achieve in that usage. >> well, the gbu-43 is really just an area destruction device. it's designed to make a big blast over pressure. a lot of earthquaking, knock down tunnel, destroy people and tunnels that are out in the field. it's just another bomb. and i think people are sort of looking over the fact that it was dropped in a combat zone. a b-52 carrying 32 j-dam bombs
could have caused much more devastation with much more precision. the air force wanted to use this device, and they did. >> david fromm, the reports today, it wasn't just the british picking up something involving trump world and the russians, estonia, poland. it sounds like there was a lot to pick up. >> and the polls have particularly sophisticated intelligence service, and have been very interested in the ukraine case. poland and ukraine are neighbors with deep histical relaonships. poland contains many more consulates in ukraine than the united states does and it knows a lot about the career of paul manafort. that name would ring some very noisy alarm bells in warsaw. >> david corn, the way the -- we just heard the cia director talk about wikileaks compared to the way the president has talked about wikileaks. it's another one of those
congressional -- i don't know. that's crazy talk. but nevertheless, it is so absurd, you know, because at the same time donald trump still says this is all a hoax. >> malcolm nance, you have literally written the book about this, about the russian influence in this election and what they were up to. just give us your assessment about the last 24 hours of new informatio >> well, i'm afraid to say this is what separates intelligence officers from journalists, you know. i wrote this almost seven months ago now. that if you were ever going to get a scoop with relation to information coming out about the trump administration's activities related to foreign intelligence, it was going to come from a foreign intelligence agency. pretty sure that i said estonia would be the first one. because as we learned, they have very close ties with the united states and other allied nations. and they're very, very good at
certain types of special intelligence. that's what we call signals intelligence. and our sister gchq and dgsc in france, they have a vested interest in knowing what is going on there. on the other hand, it was very surprising to finally hear mike pompeo come out and declare wikileaks a nonstate hostile intelligence agency. i wrote a whole chapter in my book about how wikileaks was nonstate intelligence company and a subsidiary of the fsb. that being said, it's going to be fascinating for anyone who has now been found to cooperate with wikileaks. because this is essentially him verbalizing in an unclassified setting an intelligence finding that they were in league, not only with russian intelligence perhaps by extension, but now a designated nonstate hostile intelligence agency. it's going to make for some very, very interesting congressional investigations and trials. there. >> are people in the trump
tillerson admitted it. nikki haley admitted it. mike pompeo said it today. while roger stone is out there pushing conspiracy theorys on this network and others. so can they kind of act as if they're legitimate, even when they're working for a fellow who denies the original sin of this administration and still continues to say things that make no sense? >> i think the answer to that, david, would be from a moral point of view, maybe not. from a practical point of view, everybody has to be less fussy. >> malcolm nance, isn't it a question of what are they saying from this point forward? when you look at what tillerson was saying the week before the chemical attack in syria, he seemed like he hadn't even found his way around the office yet and didn't have the vaguest idea what a reasonable talking point sounded like on syria, saying he was going to leave it to, what,
haley as u.n. ambassador has been far ahead of even mcmaster and mattis. and the strength of her statements about russia and syria. and so now it appears that it's coming together at least on these two points, even though as i contend, the attack on syria was a complete wash. we didn't destroy anything. we didn't destroy chemical weapons. we just showed that we knew how to turn the key and launch cruise missiles. so i think that the white house in some respects is coming together. and if these threats and statements about north korea are true, as we're going to talk about a little later, they had better get their acts together. because this is the sort of talk that will bring this nation into war or to a crisis that will, you know, resemble the paces to war. >> david, when you talk about hemming in a president, that has been done in the past in a more subtle way. just the advisers would basically -- the experts in the areas of defense or whatever it was would present a set of possibilities.
only one of which looked possible and the others just weren't. and so that was always the traditional way if the advisers were trying to hem in the president. >> well, it is a more extreme way, which you'll rember from the history, james schlesinger in the last days of watergate telling the nuclear command by the way, i'm putting myself as secretary of defense into the nuclear command. if you get any funny orders from the president, just run them past me. >> this was when president nixon was up drunk late at night in the white house. >> taking pills. >> and approaching the point of being forced to resign. his said don't take any nuclear orders from him in the middle of the night. >> right. unless you cleared them with me. so presidents can be hemmed in. the question, how many weeks did that occur over? >> relatively short period of time. >> can you do it over four years? probably not. in the end, the president fires a all of these people. and one of the things that donald trump's displayed is, and he has done it now to his white
house staff, steve bannon and others, he doesn't like it when anyone near him gets too big. and right now mattis is very big, and tillerson is getting bigger, and nikki haley in particular is getting very big. how will the president feel about that tomorrow, next week, the week after that. >> david corn, isn't that a matter of how "saturday night live" treats it? if "saturday night live" says nikki haley is the brains of the trump white house, that's when the clock starts ticking? >> i would amend david's astute observation. it's not how people around donald trump getting big. it's how it's portrayed and perceived. and because that's really how he views the world. he views the world and how the world is viewing him. the reality doesn't matter as much. and if we talk about hemming in and mcmasters getting his hands around the national security council and mattis, we see it only takes trump seven seconds to say something or even less seconds to tweet something about north korea or something else that can be incredibly destabilizing. so you can hem in a guy to a certain degree.
but when he is up at 6:00 in the morning, i don't think mattis or mcmasters or even his wife are looking over his shoulders. so there still is a lot of instability there. >> should nbc have some kind of corporate ethics officer in the "saturday night live" writings room saying please don't say anything about nikki haley overnight. >> no, no corporate interference there. >> but maybe for the sake of the country they should. we don't want those jokes. >> they're all patriots at "snl." they're all patriots. >> that's right. they're right upstairs. david frum, a pleasure. coming up, nbc news exclusive reporting that the trump white house has a plan for a presumptive strike on north korea. and the democratic candidate in georgia in that special election for a house seat has a huge lead in the polls. that's a seat that has been republican for 38 years.
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the last few days we've seen a number of shifts by the american president. what should the american people make of the shifts? >> i think you can look at it what you're referring to as a shift in a lot of ways. if you look at what's happened, it's those entities the or individuals in some cases are issues evolving towards the president's position. [bullfighting music]
really another successful job. we're very, very proud of our military. just like we're proud of the folks in this room. we are so proud of our military. and it was another successful event. >> joining us now, the former ambassador to the african union. and deputy assistant secretary of state for african affairs. back with us, david corn. ambassador, i want to get your reaction to the bomb today. you studied the aftermath of bombings, especially as it affects the civilian casualties and other unintended consequences. what do you expect to find when we finally see the results of this bomb? >> well, lawrence, the first question is what was the target and why was the target necessary to be attacked with this particular weapon. and then the second question is what was the calculus that the military made with the regard to the potential impact of civilians in that area. the gbu-43, the so-called mother of all bombs is an 11-ton weapon that has blast effects that go well beyond a mile.
and it's frankly hard to imagine a circumstance on which you could drop a weapon like that without having any consequences whatsoever on civilians. so i'm very interested in asking the questions about what exactly was the target, and how did the military make the calculation that attacking that target would be worth whatever potential impact it would be on civilians. >> and ambassador, do you sense that in the decision to use this particular bomb, that there was an intent to deliver a message with it that this bomb delivers because malcolm nance has mentioned in the previous segment that you could have done the same destructive work with other devices. >> well, there certainly could be some sort of signaling or psychological impact on what the use of that weapon. although what would expect that that desired effect would have been taken into decision, if that were the case works have
been taken at a higher level. could be there were particular aspects about the contours of the target that were being attacked. but that's the problem. we don't know. for the unprecedented use of a weapon like this, there are certainly more questions than answers. and as they say, asking the question what exactly was a target that justified this kind of weapon is something i think we simply need to have a responsible. >> let's listen to what secretary of defense rumsfeld said when this bomb was first being brought online for the military and first being tested, he was asked about this new bomb. let's listen to this. >> is there a psychological component to this massive new bomb? there. >> is a psychological component to all aspects of warfare. the goal is to not have a war. the goal is to have the pressure be so great that saddam hussein cooperates. short of that, an unwillingness to cooperate, the goal is to have the capabilities of the coalition so clear and so
obvious that there is an enormous disincentive for the iraqi military to fight against the coalition. >> david corn, the bomb was available to the bush administration. it was available to the obama administration every day. they chose never to use it. and we have yet to find out exactly what went into the decision for the trump administration to use it, and whether the president even knew that it was beg ed before it was used. >> let's start with the principle, the assumption that the people who were bombed know they were bombed. and so nothing that happened is a secret to them. they know where they were. they know what happened. i think the american public is now owed similar information. as the ambassador said, what was the intended target, and did it hit the intended target? why was this weapon needed when other alternatives were not used? and you know, what can we learn about civilian casualties and collateral damage as they you have call it.
this one weapon, we can get maybe overly overwrought about it. but i still think since they used it for the first time these questions still should be answered. i don't see any reason why the american public can't get these simple answers. >> it's a $15 million bomb. ambassador bringingety, why did the bush administration, the obama administration decide never to use that bomb? >> there could be any number of reasons. one might be frankly that the particular tactical circumstances never presented themselves. and by that to be able to use a weapon that is -- that has that kind of blast radius, you would have do be very confident of one two of things. either that there would be virtually no civilians that
would be impacted by the blast, or that the target that you were attacking was of such profound military value that it would justify the sorts of civilian casualties that would result. so one could be that neither the bush administration nor the obama administration ever found themselves in that particular sort of circumstances. another could be that frankly, the weapon that is that large, it's hard to imagine environments short of dropping it on the moon that you would like not be likely to impact civilians. and frankly, what we may be seeing is frankly a very different set of calculus that are being taken by the trump administration as impact for civilian casualties and the willingness they're prepared to give to the military commanders to have that sorts of flexibility of decision making on the ground. >> how long will it take to get the after action report on this bomb? >> it depends.
it depends on how much access u.s. and coalition forces have to the area, whether there is a permissive environment that will allow that. frankly, it also depends on whether or not other hostile forces take their own crews in to make videos of potential civilian casualties for their own propaganda efforts. so we'll have to wait and see. >> we'll leave there it for tonight. david corn, thank you very much for joining us. ambassador brigety, we're going to need you for one more segment here. coming up, the reporting that the president trump administration has a plan for preemptive attack on north korea. but every administration has such an attack plan, has had such an attack plan on north korea. will this one be used?
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is it the fact that what nbc has picked up is the conditions under which the trump administration would be willing to use that plan? >> well, it's quite possible that now that e conditions have changed, north korea may in fact be either planning an atomic detonation, or some sort of surprise with regards to their intercontinental ballistic testing machine. just in case. the problem here with the trump administration is over the last two weeks they've used phrases from the secretary of state himself like "imminent threat ." those words that if china doesn't help us, we will go it alone. those words resonate. not just to the north koreans, but to everyone in the entire region that maybe this time the war plan the united states has is something that they're taking very seriously, and that they tend to intimidate north korea.
north korea doesn't intimidate very well, and that these words could have very, very serious dramatic action. >> let's listen to what former obama cia director and defense secretary leon panetta said about this tonight. >> there are no good options here. if we were to try to attack them, they would virtually wipe out seoul. and if it became a nuclear war, which is likely, millions of lives would be lost. and that's the reason we haven't pulled the trigger. >> ambassador brigety, is it possible, is there another possibility that if a weapons system was attacked in north korea from the united states, that north korea would simply take the hit, that they would just absorb the hit and not attack south korea? >> i have never heard of any analyst that follows the region that thinks that's a possibility.
we have is a very mercurial regime in pyongyang, particularly under this younger rur kim jongn, who has not only demonstrated his willingness to show belligerent through mill tests but willing to kill his own kin, as we saw by a successful assassination attempt by his half-brother in kuala lumpur. we certainly have uncertainty on the leadership on both sides of this equation, uncertainty with the leadership of kim jong un, and frankly, and respectfully uncertainty in regard to president trump who has demonstrated the ability to change 180 degrees, whether it be syria, on china, with regard to the irrelevance of nato, his view on profound pillars of the international system.
and that level of uncertainty on both sides of the equation is what is new in this particular circumstance, and frankly, what is so disconcerting. >> malcolm nance, if you war game this out for the president, he takes a preemptive strike against north korea. you have to then war game for the president what north korea is going to do. would there be anyone war gaming that in the pentagon or in the white house with any credibility saying that no south koreans would then be killed by north korea? >> well, yes. we've been red teaming this, war gaming this since 1953. and in every scenario, like the ambassador said, north korea, you know, they have this proclivity towards moving to the extreme. and for them sinking a vessel, coming out, you know, interdicting commercial and naval traffic throughout the sea of japan, or launching thousands of rockets into south korea,
that's the way they red team this game. they understand and they know that america knows that the only options here when given this, and this is why leon panetta was so distraught in his words is that they have the option of creating massive numbers of casualties. in south korea, whether it's going out and engaging on a military force. but let me tell you. one last thing. this isn't my usual area of expertise. you know, in the western pacific. however, there is one thing that i do know. north korea is so dug in with their weapon systems since the korean war, since 1953 when it ended that the only way you're going to get rid of that nuclear program is to burn it out with a nuclear bomb. and we are not going to carry out that type of attack. north korea now has demonstrated atomic weapons systems. and we don't know how their
delivery systems or whether they've been perfected. and they don't have to be perfected. they can put out out on a trawler in the sea of japan and detonate it and make things very unpleasant for japan and south korea. it's something we shouldn't even be discussing is now being discussed. >> we're going have to leave it there for tonight. malcolm nance gets the last word. ambassador brigety and malcolm nance, thank you for join us. coming up, coming up on tuesday in georgia, democrat jon ossoff has a big lead in that race. and he will join us next.
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a candidate for congress in georgia's sixth district this. district has been republican for 38 years. it was newt gingrich rich's district. tom price had an easy re-election there. but the striking thing there is donald trump won the district by only one point. how did that happen? tom price won by own 20, and donald trump on the same ballot took it by only one. >> thank you for having me. this community where i grew up is a moderate pragmatic district. economically minded. it recognizes that extremism is bad for business. i wasn't effective principled leadership. doestize identify as partisan or idea logical. i think that's why the president had a probable here. i'm focusing on local economic development and shared values in the community that bring people to go.
>> how much of an issue has the republican repeal of the affordable care act act -- how much has that been an issue in your district? >> it was of major concern. you are talking about a proposal to throw 24 million off of their health insurance back into the emergency room at taxpayer exsense. it also would have gutted the georgia based centers for disease control and prevention which helps the whole country. it was an unpopular bill here. so, too, as today's closed door signing of a bill attacking family planning and reproductive health been greeted with concern in this district. >> there has been a lot of outside help for you in this campaign. the fund is obviously surprising everyone. it is a massive amount of funding for a congressional campaign. were you surprised that you were able to attract that much campaign help? >> it has taken on a bit of a life of its own. i'm proud of the fact that it's small dollar grassroots fun
raising. the average an trick to my campaign is $42. when you have super pacs from washington coming in with cynical partisan attacks on candidates like me who are standing up against corruption and for a change in corruption i'm glad it's grassroots funding if no one clears 50% on tuesday. the runoff will be on june 20th. the early numbers suggest an outright win on tuesday is possible. either way we will be ready to fight and win if there is a runoff. >> in your strategy, do you have to hold some of your financial resources for that possible runoff and not go all out on advertising spending between now and tuesday?
>> we are doubling down right now on a win on tuesday, because it is within reach. the grassroots intensity in georgia is unlike anything that i've seen in this community before. there are thousands of volunteers knocking on doors and making phone calls. it's a hopeful and inspiring scene here in georgia. folks in the community are really standing up. it's a broad coalition ready for some fresh leadership and i think we have a great shot on tuesday of an outright win. >> this was not one those campaigns that you could plan, that you could look out two years out and say i think i'm going to go for that seat. this suddenly came up because there was suddenly a vacancy, donald trump surprises the world, wins the election, and then chooses your congressman for his cabinet. when did you decide to make a run for this seat? >> well, after the presidential election, i began to think about whether i needed to get more involved directly now. i asked i myself if not now, when, when i learned that my hometown congressman was vey kagtd i started looking at the race.
the moment i set my heart on it was after a meeting with john lewis. he told me i should run and that he would endorse me if i did and i walked out of that meeting with my mind made up. >> john ossoff, candidate for georgia's sixth congressional district. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. coming up, donald trump versus donald trump. you do all this research
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i'm going to instruct my treasury secretary to label china a currency manipulator, the greatest in the world. >> in an interview with the "wall street journal" mr. trump said his administration won't label china a currency manipulator late they are week. >> we are giving countries a free ride. nato is obsolete. it's old, it's fat. it's sloppy. and we are -- and it doesn't talk about terrorism. >> the secretary general and i had a productive discussion about what more nato can do in the fight against terrorism. i said it was obsolete. it's no longer obsolete. when i see a story about donald trump didn't fill hundreds and hundreds of jobs, that's because in many cases we don't want to fill those jobs. >> you have 600 open jobs though that you can appoint. what's going on -- >> a lot of those jobs i don't want to appoint because they are unnecessary to have i am waiting right now for so many people. hundreds and hundreds of people.
in both directions, major thoroughfare, takes people into the city and out to new jersey. three lanes in each direction, sometimes four lanes. next to that is a popular, well-known, long-established bike path. it's not a path. it's a concrete street but only for bikes. it is separated by a median between the west side highway and the bike path. there is a median in the middle with trees, sometimes just a curb but always a separation. to the right is the highway, to the left is the bike path. we are looking north. a truck got into that bike path and began mowing down pedestrians and bicyclists. the hudson river to the right, new jersey. these are all victims. at latest report from the authorities, this white truck, this home depot rental truck, not one driven by a home depot
trying to piece together what happened as you said, this does appear to be an act of terror. everything that the witnesses observed is consistent with an act of terror. none of the authorities going on camera here at this time saying that. but it certainly looks like this was a terroristic act. there are a number of published reports that say the gunman did shout allah akbar. none of the witnesses i talked to said they heard him say anything but another report says he resembled someone of middle eastern descent. again, we expect to learn more in the next 2 minutes. speak to that video is crucial. if you can hold the phone up again. i've been down, not the landscape view but the other view so that it is full screen and tilted forward a little bit to remove the glare. we can get a much better shot of it. >> we are getting a bunch of text in here now.
let me -- >> shepard: he has a better view. there we go. we have it. we are ready. >> you've got it now. >> shepard: yes. and that is the suspect. in his hands are those two fake guns, as they are described by police. the glare is an issue but you get the idea. we will feed this in a more proper way but it was after that video. thanks so much. after that video was taken, that's when police engage the suspect. he had is described as two fake vehicles. police shot him, two different officers fired, shot tim and the like. he's in the hospital. here's the location of the carnage. the bike path on the left, highway on the right and then pan around and will be looking southbound. hudson river, west on highway. we are between chambers and
houston street. soho in new york city. according to the authorities, that man killed six people, injured nine people. we are waiting for a news conference to begin at 1 police plaza, locations of the headquarters of the new york city police department. eric shawn on scene and we will join him. early reporting of the details of this came to us from our senior correspondent rick leventhal, who is he with us again. rick, an update and a look back. >> the video of the aftermath supports everything we've been hearing about what happened on there which a scene of carnage as this truck apparently went a block south along the bike lanes, hitting pedestrians and people on bicycles, killing at least six and injuring at least nine. law enforcement sources, some of them local law enforcement, members of the joint terrorism task force which works with the fbi tell me that the jttf has determined this truck was rented
from a home depot in jersey city and that members of the jttf are there now, looking at surveillance footage, trying to figure out who this person was. if he was with anyone at the time that he rented the truck, who might have been with him, who might've been connected to this individual. they are fast tracking it to try to make sure there's no one else in no other threats lingering. they have told me, law enforcement sources, that this individual drove eight blocks south in the bike lane, was stopped when he had a school bus, got out, as you saw from the footage. apparently with two weapons. one i was told was a bb gun, the other was a paintball gun. officers shot him twice. he's expected to survive. they are trying to figure out exactly who he was and while he was fair and why he did what he did. sources telling us he may have been carrying a florida i.d. probably likely rented that home depot truck from a
home depot in jersey city, new jersey. >> shepard: rick leventhal, thanks for that. continue watching this video. i want to tell our viewers. if you look at manhattan, on the west side is the hudson river and then you get to new jersey. in the 30s, 40s there is the lincoln tunnel. a couple lanes in and out. if you go to the lower end of manhattan around canal street, in the area where this happened, there is the holland tunnel. if you get in the holland tunnel on the new york city side and go under the hudson river, when you come out on the other side, you are in jersey city, new jersey. it's the first thing when you get out of lower manhattan and go across, it's the first thing you hit. there is nothing before it but the river. jersey city has a huge waterfront area builds up in recent years, extremely high riverfront condominiums that tower into the sky and overlook lower manhattan. if you go a little bit inland
from jersey city, you can get on a labyrinth of highways that takes you all over new jersey. you can go south to philly. over there, jersey city, just the other side of the river, that is where rick is reporting he rented this truck from home depot. literally a mile from new york city you have to go under the tunnel, through the holland tunnel to get there. now, where all of this began was around the lincoln tunnel. which also goes to new jersey in the 30s, 40s. that's where this started. we are getting reports he went at least nine blocks. what do we have? let's listen. >> okay, okay. stand back. stand back. >> shepard: we are listening to a witness described what he
saw, multiple reporters in on it and one didn't want others hearing. you can see the media scrum. we are going to get official word from the new york city police department and a news conference scheduled to begin in 3 minutes. eric shawn is there. >> good afternoon, shep. we expect andrew cuomo, bill de blasio, and james o'neill to brief us. this sadly becoming an all-too-familiar scene here in new york and around the world. the specter of radical islamic terrorism striking the city yet again. i heard rick's comments about the home depot truck being rented in jersey city. it was in new jersey where the bombers of the world trade center in '93 rented the van that they drove into the world trade center, first islamic attack, 1990. the shooter in a midtown hotel, an egyptian follower.
he had a selling jersey city. it went on to bomb the world trade center in 1993. the landmark bombing plot in 1995 to bomb not just the u.n. building but the lincoln tunnel and holland tunnel. lincoln, probably where this van driver came out as well as, we've had other terrorist plots that that have been foiled. new york city has detectives around the globe whose specific job is to deal with these type of terrorist threats. certainly this is a fast-moving developing story. trying to find exactly what the motivation was and who the suspect is and if indeed he had any radicalization or help or direct assistance from any foreign terrorist groups, all part of the wide-ranging investigation right now as we expect the mayor, governor and police commissioner as well as
other officials to brief us momentarily. >> shepard: we will have live coverage on fox news channel. fox stations across the country. from the new york daily news, i thought it was a halloween prank, said the witness from queens. i saw the gun, gunmen running in a circle and i realized it was serious. nypd snipers took positions on the roof of the city vineyard restaurant. the daily news reports. "we thought the guns were fake and it was a halloween prank, said the stuyvesant high school student." there was a car crash and he started to shoot. this was 3:00 in the afternoon. stuyvesant high school, literally you can throw an apple to stuyvesant high school from where this thing ended. stuyvesant high school was just letting out for the day. halloween afternoon. lots of kids in costume, people in costume all over the place. clearly the man did have fake guns. the authorities they won was a paint gun and one was a bb gun.
some people at least on scene thought it was a halloween pran prank. other information we have just gotten, we have a lot of new traffic issues in new york city which i want to mention. manhattan bound lanes, the brooklyn battery tunnel is shot. traffic in lower manhattan is in gridlock. there is a gridlock alert. police activity all along the lower west side. we do not have an update on the annual halloween parade, scheduled for greenwich village. a million people expected to be at that. suffice it to say, good luck getting there. you cannot come in the wake of a terror attack in new york city. authorities believe it was terror related, that the driver of the rental vehicle got on somewhere around houston street, traveled for at least nine blocks and the bike lane. one witness quoted to have said he was traveling in the
neighborhood at one one point fr zero , 50 miles an hour. mowing over bicyclists and pedestrians. running into another vehicle, our understanding that the vehicle who was crossing had the right-of-way. the bike lanes would've had a red light for lack of a better term and bicyclists would have been stopping allow cross traffic. instead, the perpetrator in this case continued to drive south in the bike lane. this is a northbound look. you can see victims and the bike lane to your left. looking north, and then it turns around and looks to the south. that can happen about now. the camera is going to pan to the left and we are looking south to the hudson river, west side highway. there is the bike path. you see helpers running and bicyclists down, people helping each other. bicycles crumbled in the background and then the video ends. this is the video of the
perpetrator taken by a witness on scene. described as appearing of middle eastern descent, carrying two fake weapons. described by police, running around, shouting, according to multiple witnesses allahu akbar, which is "god is great" in arabic. being taken down by police. we believe in this area, he was running around. you see police. this is the west side highway, southbound lanes. that would be northbound lanes of the west side highway. because of the way the shadows are going. this is the scene in that neighborhood that appears to be southbound traffic. southbound traffic pretty much gridlock in lower manhattan, getting up to one of the bridges. this is a chopper from wnyw, the fox chopper. you can see in this intersection, i am not sure which intersection but i know that is southbound lanes of the
west side highway. you can see the shadows going away from the screen. they are telling me. >> to cross the street to help the kids. we walked over, i see a home depot pickup truck mashed into a street post. two people laying on the ground with sheets covered. they appeared to look like they had been run over. >> were they in the middle of the west side highway or the edge? stick with they were in the bike lane. i see another gentleman on the other side laying on the floor while ems was trying to assist. >> reporter: could you see the suspect, a man with a jacket, a stripe across the back? stick oh, no, i didn't see anybody. i only saw those three people who appeared to be injured. >> reporter: we are hearing
waving them around. the leaders of our city are entering the news conference. this is a picture of the perpetrator as taken from a cell phone on scene as recorded by someone else's phone by david lee miller. authorities are beginning their update from 1 police plasma in lower manhattan, an apparent terror attack on the nation's largest city. let's listen. >> good afternoon, everybody. keep in mind this incident occurred a little more than two hours ago. the information we are giving you right now is preliminary and subject to change. after i speak, you're going to hear from governor cuomo and mayor de blasio, bill sweeney, assistant director in charge of
the new york fbi office is standing up here and members of my executive staff. members of the state police. first i want to say today there was a loss of innocent life in lower manhattan. the dead and injured were just going about their days, heading to work or school or enjoying the afternoon sun on bicycles. this is a tragedy of the greatest magnitude. for many families here in new york city and beyond today. we want to commend the response for the nypd officer on post near the location who stopped the carnage moments after it began. also the work of the first responders, including the fire department and ems personnel truly help save additional lives. i will give more a villa chronology. i would like to introduce now mayor de blasio. >> thank you, commissioner. it's a painful day in our city. a horrible tragedy on the west side. let me be clear, based on the information we have, this was an act of terror, and a
particularly cowardly act of terror aimed at innocent civilians, aimed at people going about their lives who had no idea what was about to hit them. we, at this moment, based on the information we have, we know of eight innocent people who have lost their lives. over a dozen more injured. we know that this action was intended to break our spirit, but we also know new yorkers are strong. new yorkers are resilient, and our spirit will never be moved by an act of violence, enactment to intimidate us. we have been tested before as a city very near the site of today's tragedy, and new yorkers do not give been in the face of these kinds of actions.
we will respond, as we always do, we will be undeterred. i want to thank everyone at the nypd, all of our first responders for their extraordinary efforts in the midst of this tragedy starting with the officer who stopped this tragedy from continuing. all of the first responders who came to the aid of those who were injured. the investigation is underway to get all the facts. what we tell you today will be preliminary. but we know we will get to the bottom of what happened. i want to ask all new yorkers, all americans to keep the families of those lost in your thoughts and prayers. they will need our support, and i want to ask all new yorkers to vigilant. we know it's halloween night and we know in the days ahead,
people will be uneasy. we ask all new yorkers to live by the idea of you see something, say something. tell an officer immediately. anything unusual, anything that worries you. be vigilant and know there will be extensive additional appointments of nypd officers this evening and throughout the days ahead. we will also keep you posted as this investigation continues and as the nypd gains more information. governor cuomo. >> thank you. first, our thoughts and prayers are with those new yorkers who we lost today. reminds us all how precious life is. they left the house this morning. they were enjoying the beautiful west side of manhattan on a beautiful fall day, and they are not going to be returning home. and that shock and pain is going
to be very real. our thoughts and prayers are with all of them. our first responders did an extraordinary job, the nypd, the fdny, fbi, new york state police, ems. we have the finest security on the globe. to see them in action today prove that once again. the new terrorist tactics which they have called for publicly are these lone wolves who commit an act of terror. this is all very preliminary. it's only been a couple hours but at this point, there's no evidence to suggest a wider plot or a wider scheme. but the actions of one individual who meant to cause pain and harm and probably death and the resulting terror.
and that was the purpose. we will be vigilant, more police everywhere. you will see them in the airports, in the tunnels. it's not because of any evidence of any ongoing threat or any additional threat. it is just out of vigilance and out of caution. and the truth is, new york is an international symbol of freedom and democracy. that's what we are, and we are proud of it. that also makes us a target for those people who oppose those concepts. and we have lived with this before. we have felt the pain before. we feel the pain today. but we go forward together, and we go forward stronger than eve
ever. we are not going to let them win. and if we change our lives, we contort ourselves to them, then they win and we lose. we will go about our business. again, there is no ongoing threat. there is no evidence of that at this time. so there is no reason to have any undue anxiety. you will see more security forces, but that's only because it's an abundance of caution, not a signal of anything else. and there will be continued investigation and justice will be done. but again, for those we lost, they are in our thoughts and our prayers. to the first responders, thank you. thank you, thank you for the job you do. you put your life on the line every day. you do it better than anyone
else. and to new yorkers, be new yorkers and live your life. and don't let them change us or the terrorists. >> thank you, mr. mayor. i am going to go through the chronology. we are not going to go too deep into it. after i get done with the chronology, we will talk about the injuries. at 3:05:00 p.m., a male driving a rented home depot pickup truck entered the west side highway bicycle path at houston street, began driving southbound, striking a number of pedestrians and bicyclists. at chambers street, the truck collided with a school bus, entering to go adults and two cochildren. after the collision, the driver of the truck, 29-year-old male, exited the vehicle branching to
handguns. uniformed police officer assigned to the first precinct confronted the subject and shot him in the abdomen. he was transported to a local hospital. the paint ball gun and pellet gun were recovered. the subject's identity is not being released pending further investigation. at this point, there are eight fatalities reported in connection with this incident. in addition, several people have been injured. the commissioner from the fire department will discuss it. >> thank you. as the police commissioner said, six of the people died were pronounced at the scene between houston street and chambers street. they were all males. two others were transported in traumatic arrest and were pronounced at the hospital. we also transported 11 people all with serious but at this moment not life-threatening
injuries. the injuries are what you may expect as the truck went at high speed down the bicycle path and struck by -- struck bicyclists and pedestrians. there may be more injuries as people self determine that. that is the patient count and deaths as we know it now. >> we are going to take some questions. hold on. hold on. >> reporter: terror attacks or things -- these truck companies. had you talked to home depot recently about this vigilance? >> do you want to talk about the program? >> as you know through the shield program, we do a very wide outreach. we have just under 20,000
members in the private sector. after isis -- a magazine issue about two years ago, suggesting car attacks. he recalled one of the targets they suggested was the thanksgiving day parade. we did extensive outreach to the truck rental business. we visited over 148 truck rental locations in this area. the obvious ones. u-haul, writer, home depot and talked about suspicious indicators, after attacks on the german christmas market, after nice, re-repeated those visits either by telephone, email, going back to the same places. the industry has had a high level of awareness on the matter from the nypd. >> reporter: and indication
the suspect as a lone wolf? >> it is way too early to discuss it. this happened two hours ago. it's part of our investigation. >> reporter: police activity. >> initially we thought it might have been but it turned out not to be. >> residence in new york. >> all part of the investigation. >> reporter: reports of schools under lockdown. anything going on, police activity. something people should be aware of. speak of this incident is over. it did end by stuyvesant high school. we had to make sure the kids were taken care of. this incident is over. david. >> reporter: the age of the suspect and the victims.
indication about a van. >> 29-year-old male. i am not going to talk about the truck. >> reporter: can you confirm the suspect said allahu akbar. is that the only indication that this may be an act of terrorism? what else leads you to believe -- >> he did make a statement when he exited the vehicle. if you look at the m.o. of the attack on it is consistent with what's been going on. that along with the statement enables us to label this a terrorist event. not right now. >> reporter: do you have is nationality? any intelligence leading up to this there was something in the works? to go it is two hours old. we will update you as we go along. being conducted jointly with the nypd and fbi. >> reporter: from florida. >> not going to go into that.
john, not right now, no. >> reporter: [indistinct question] >> after the times square incident, any incident in new york in the country or around the world, we have to learn from it. he is in the hospital. i'm not going to tell you what hospital. i'm going to let the chief tell you about the parade. >> in less than 90 minutes, the parade will take off. we have added more resources, more police officers, heavy weapons teens -- teams. heavy weapons teams deployed at key locations.
[indistinct question] this is why we do investigations. i'm sure whoever put that out wasn't sure the event was in two hours into it, this is the determination. too early in the investigation. [indistinct question] i haven't looked at the video yet. we are retrieving as much video as possible. we do know he entered the bike path at houston street and exited the bike path at chambers street when he collided with the school bus. there are no intersections on the west side of the bike path between houston and chambers. hold on one second. >> the children on the bus, how are they? >> among the injured that are serious but not life-threatenin life-threatening. >> reporter: which home depot?
>> we are not going to talk about where it was rented from. do you know how many people on the bus? two adults and two children. >> reporter: where he came into the city. >> don't know. that's part of the investigatio investigation. we don't have that. >> a lot of information to be gotten. want to give you preliminaries. we will have more for you later. we will you another briefing after more information develops. at this point, i would ask you to wait for further information. >> i will close out by saying nypd is investigating this with our federal partners, with our
state partners. there is going to be a very, very thorough investigation. the most boring thing, as governor cuomo said, as commissioner o'neill said, people should go about their business knowing nypd is out in force with our partner agencies tonight and throughout the week. very important additional measures are being taken for people's safety. the bottom line is we are going to go about our business in the city. we are not going to be deterred. we will get you updates later in the evening. >> shepard: police, governor and others explaining eight people have been killed, multiple injured as a suspect that we have been reporting throughout the afternoon entered around houston street, traveled multiple blocks, about nine to chambers street in the area of the 9/11 memorial in the world trade center, according to rick leventhal's reporting, shouting allahu akbar. we see video of him being pursued by police and eventually being taken down by police and in custody. to rick leventhal. >> authorities have confirmed what we have been reporting, that this does appear to be a terror attack.
they have the suspect in custody. as you mentioned, he was shot after exiting his vehicle. he apparently entered the bike lane at houston and a truck rented for my home depot i am told by members of law enforcement, rented in jersey city, new jersey, at a home depot, driven into the city and onto the bike path where he struck at least 20-some people. he killed eight, wounded at least 12 others. down the bike path and hurt some people on the school bus that he struck when he reached chambers street. the vehicle with the damage front and back. he injured two adults and two children on the bus, got out, yelled. he had to go weapons. bb gun and paint gun. he was shot by nypd. this is just across the street
from 1 world trade and the ground zero site. there is already a have a -- heavy police presence there. they are continue with plans for the halloween parade tonight in lower manhattan but there will be trucks blocking many cross streets. there will be heavy weapons teams and other additional security on scene because of any concerns about a follow-up attack. the mood at the parade can be what it might have been considering what's happened in lower manhattan. the most important thing from the news conference was that there is no evidence to suggest there is anyone else involved or any other plots currently against the people of new york city but they are obviously investigating and we don't know yet what they will find a couple hours after the incident. >> shepard: rick leventhal, thanks so much. the parade from spring street to 16th street. from lower manhattan through greenwich village and up to the border of the chelsea neighborhood just north of union square for those of you familiar
with new york. a few blocks east of this area where the terror attack happened. that parade, which in previous years has drawn a million people or more, will go on as planned under the umbrella of new york will continue. we will continue to operate. we will not change our way of life. we will not change our activities. no one guy with a rented truck who comes barreling down the bike path is going to change life in new york city. that was the unmistakable message from our leaders from the podium. eric shawn standing by. >> as rick indicated when i asked if there was any indication they suspect as a lone wolf or a tie potentially to an international terror plot, they would not comment at all pending the investigation but it's it important and poignant to point out that this incident occurred very close to the world trade center which is
now 1 world trade center and the beautiful sight on the west side. as we heard from deputy police commissioner john miller, the city has had a remarkable effort, method to reach out to 20,000 businesses in the new york city metropolitan area, including the truck and van rental firms in response to the previous incidents in nice, similar to that when they suspect drove a rental truck along the boulevard in nice. this site, similar to that in the sense that it's on the edge of the hudson river. clearly part of the investigation will be who this man is, where he indeed rented the truck in jersey city. they know now and what he told them when he apparently rented that truck. we do not have any confirmation on the name of the suspect. they are not releasing it publicly. clearly all part of the investigation which is in its early stages. there are also told the suspect
had a paint gun and a pellet gun, not a .22 or .38 caliber gun. he came out of the van where it was cut off by the school bus. a new york city police officer, it's why they call them the finest, saw what was happening and took the suspect down who is recovering in an unidentified hospital. >> shepard: eric shawn, thank you. we have confirmation inside sources at bellevue hospital in new york city. two patients have been taken and are in the operating room. one with lower extremity injuries. two are stable and not in the operating room. the perpetrator has been or was or has been there, received a gunshot wound. according to fox news reporting, the gunman was taken to bellevue hospital under heavy guard, treated -- i'm sorry? treated for his injuries.
four people, two in the operating room at bellevue hospital with lower extremity injuries. they were the ones hit by the vehicle. two others are stable, not in the operating room. the perpetrator there after receiving a gunshot wound. david lee miller, who has been reporting and had the extraordinary video of the perpetrator himself. david lee. >> hi, shepard. still a great deal of shock in lower manhattan. in an area still desperately trying to figure out what happened a few hours ago. this tragedy coincides with the start of halloween, adding an eerie element to what is taking place. many people walking through the streets in costume in lower manhattan, and also worth noting that some of the witnesses we talked to thought this was some type of halloween prank. sadly, we know now that was not
the case. a short time ago, we talked to a witness, a college student here who recorded the perpetrator fleeing. you can see the video. i can describe for you what the witness told me he observed. he was walking on a bridge over the west side highway on the west side of manhattan when he saw an individual running. the individual you will see in the video, carrying with him what appeared to be at the time two handguns. we know they were either pellet guns or paint guns. a few seconds after this video came to an end, that's when the shooter was apparently shot at least once in the leg by the police. he is now being treated at bellevue hospital. others who saw this unfold say there is no doubt in their minds for the individual who was driving a rented pickup truck
from home depot, we know now, intentionally tried to mow down bicyclists. one witness said he saw at least two bodies covered over with some type of material. a both of them appeared to be dead. authorities telling us eight people have been killed, at least 12 injured. authorities trying to figure out more about the perpetrator. consistent with everything we have heard, authorities are investigating this as an act of terror. this is a joint investigation by the new york city police department as well as the fbi. it appears there was only one perpetrator. authorities, as best we know at this hour, not looking for another individual. this appeared to be a lone wolf acting out. we do not know the catalyst, why now, a few short hours before halloween when the streets of lower manhattan are packed with
thousands and thousands of people. there's a halloween parade that takes place. the city of new york saying that parade is going to take place as scheduled. people should go about their regular activities. authorities point out there will be significantly more security. lastly, worth noting, as bad as this tragedy was and it was horrific, it could have been a great deal worse. the incident took place around 3:00, about the same time a local high school dismissed students and there were hundreds and hundreds of kids heading home, soon on their way home. this incident not in any way connected, as best we know, with the high school. none of the schoolchildren were hurt but it could've been worse. as it is, it is horrific. at least eight people have been killed by a lone attacker. >> shepard: david lee miller. that is stuyvesant high school, a famous high school in the tri-state area. letting out just before 3:00. this happened at 3:05.
normal high schools in normal cities across the country, school was over. they keep things contained. most people get out and head to the subways or public transportation. they walk in large groups. some no doubt get on their bicycles and head up the west side highway to their homes. so thankful the young people from stuyvesant high school were largely not affected. we keep mentioning this halloween parade because of the million people expected to attend. the herculean task on the part of the new york city police department. this is the route for the parade. it starts on spring street. sixth avenue goes up the center of the island of manhattan. houston street, the second area, second from the bottom. houston street, generally speaking, west of there.
you see the 1 with the circle, that is the 1 subway line. that's about where this was. lower left, then sixth avenue goes past bleecker street, the iconic greenwich village and up to west fourth street. washington square park on the right. eighth street and the new jersey path station. fourth street, that is union square, that's where it ends at 16th street. a million people along the area, all barricaded in. authorities tell us there will be large sand trucks and lots of cops with long guns. something new york city residents have become somewhat accustomed to in the years after 9/11. to have this level of security tonight at a high profile event, it is astounding to know that new york's finest and bravest could pull such a thing off tonight with a massive and expansive terror investigation
on the lower west side. just to the east, a matter of blocks, you can walk from this to the halloween parade in 5 minutes on a normal day come, maybe ten. to think that the police and fire department can handle up to a million people is the next ordinary testament to the courage and bravery of the men and women who serve and their ability to make sure life goes on because in this city, new yorkers know, as the mayor put it and the governors had repeatedly, the police commissioner, we will go about our day. no man in a rental truck will change life in new york city. we have a halloween parade scheduled for tonight for 1 million people. it will happen in new york city because this is new york city. one man and one rental truck from home depot is not going to change our lives. an extraordinary statement on behalf of the new york city police department, so very proud and brimming with pride over
what just happened there. is it one of those matters where you are like, i want to avoid it? for some people, may be. i would bet you to the end of my life that by the tens of thousands they will come in defiance of this matter. will it be the kind of revelry we are used to? i am confident we will not, not with eight new yorkers i presume, most of them new yorkers, dead in the streets of our fine city and so many injured. no question that life goes on. rick leventhal, a reporter that this was believed to be an act of terror. we were hoping someone had made a wrong turn, as we always do. it happened in times square not long ago when a very drunk man made a wrong turn and caused havoc and panic in the largest tourist district in the largest city in the world. it turns out it wasn't a terrorist at all. it was a man wasted out of his mind and went the wrong way on a one way.
in this case, it's a different world. >> as you know, since that happened, they put up concrete barricades along most of the sidewalks to prevent anyone from doing what that apparently drunk driver did by driving on the sidewalk. they put up additional barricades to try to prevent that sort of thing from happening. unfortunately down here in lower manhattan as you look at the bike lane, there are places where you can still drive on the bike lane and sometimes maintenance vehicles, landscape vehicles will go in there. it's the first week scene of an apparent terror attack. it's going to mean they are going to have to fortify the bike lanes in the wake of what's now being called a terror attack by this individual who drove a rented home depot truck onto the lane next to the west side highway and started mowing people down. it was a scene of chaos and terror and he left at least eight people dead and a dozen injured. as you reported, the suspect
shot by police and expected to survive is being treated at one of the hospitals where some of the victims are being treated. a couple people and a couple kids on a school bus that got in the way of that guy. who knows how many other people he might have hit the had not hit that school bus and jumped out and it led to that video of him running in the intersection. >> shepard: zero reason to believe anybody else was involved. >> they are going to try to determine it. they are working on it. one of the things i was told by law enforcement, a member of the joint terrorism task force, working with the fbi. the fbi is the lead agency and anything terror related. they have investigated this and have already gone to the home depot in jersey city where this person apparently rented the truck. they want to look at the video, look at the evidence he left behind to see if anyone was with him when he rented the truck,
how did he get there. did he leave a vehicle in the parking lot? is there anyone else connected to this guy who might've had knowledge of the attack and/or might have been working with him on other attacks. that is something that the jttf, joint terrorism task force, is examining closely, as they must. >> shepard: we are not yet using his name but we certainly believe we know who he is. we know authorities know who he is. have they found out anything about his background? >> noel. i know they have an i.d. i know there is a name but i have it not been told anything else beyond a person described as a middle eastern background. he did, according to witnesses, yell allah akbar and ran into the intersection. >> shepard: as new yorkers, we know in the past, there have been cells of people, sleeper cells might be describing it
wrong, but groups of people of like mind and one, or someone might go do something and then others would have similar designs. that is the reason for the question, and i'm sure many new yorkers have those questions. >> of course. they want to know anyone who this person had contact with who were his friends, who were his associates? who were they talking with? as you have been reporting, a major event. a million potential revelers in new york city not far from this location, scheduled for later this evening. they will be beefing up security at the halloween parade. there will be sand trucks acting as blocker vehicles to protect other lanes of traffic. heavy weapons teams with long guns, snipers on rooftops. they have to do this now because of the environment we live in but they are boosting it even
further because of what has happened in lower manhattan this afternoon. >> shepard: my guess would be for people who don't have to work tonight, it would be a big destination tonight. >> the mayor and the governor and even the police commissioner telling new yorkers to go about their business, that we will not be deterred by acts like this. i hope that's the case, and i hope people remain strong and vigilant but at the same time, it's hard to just turn your back on this, hard to not think about it. i would be surprised if the crowds were as large as they've been. >> shepard: i would be surprised as well, rick leventhal, thank you. leading "the new york times," the paper of record and quoting from above the fold as of this hour. eight people killed when a man drove 20 blocks down the bike path besides the hudson river on tuesday afternoon before he crashed his pickup truck, jumped
out with fake guns and was shot by police officers, authorities said. federal authorities treating the incident as a terrorist attack. we are taking the lead in the investigation, senior law enforcement said. other official said after the attacker got out of his truck, he was heard yelling allahu akbar, arabic for "god is great." mayor bill de blasio said based on information we have, this was an act of terror and that particularly cowardly act of terror. continuing the times reporting, officials said the driver of the truck, a 29-year-old man who came to the united states in 2010 was in "grave condition." one official said he had rented the truck in your jersey. fox news is reporting in jersey city, new jersey. continuing, the times reporting. "motorist driving south on the path in a home depot rental truck had numerous people. at stuyvesant high school, letting out for the day. officials have at least 15
people were injured. officials were working to assess the exact extent of the casualties." "he jumped out of the truck with a pellet gun, yelled allahu akbar, and the first precinct laid him up." that from a law-enforcement official referring to a police officer on post-nearby. authorities credited with saving lives, one of new york's finest. witnesses described the gunshots, people scrabbling for cover and a street strewn with bodies and crumpled bicycles. the driver, the times reported, shot several times and being treated at a nearby hospital. fox news is reporting bellevue hospital. "he had crashed the truck into a school bus. it was unclear if anyone was on the bus. police said they were not looking for additional suspects. a large section of west side high was closed for the investigation, as hundreds of officers, including bomb squad responders. truck at chambers street facing
east bound. students at stuyvesant high school reported said they saw the man shooting from a pickup truck and saw the truck turn. raymond cruz said the driver appeared injured. mr. cruz said he heard someone yell "run, he's got a gun. run, run." several nearby buildings, including stuyvesant high school, placed on lockdown. now the investigation begins." who is this man? why did he do this? to whom is he connected? are there others in his group of similar mind? in the meantime, new york city rolls on. the afternoon rush is underway. the sun has set. the halloween parade is expected to begin one hour from now. 1 million people to pack into greenwich village to celebrate a night of revelry in the americas largest city. and the police commissioner and mayor announced the parade will go on, and we will protect the people of new york. they urge them to go about their business. if you are watching on a local
stumping with jones, senator cory booker and terry sewell. >> i'm trying to get the last, i know you made already a million phone calls, but i'm here to try to help to get some folk woke. those people who don't understand the opposite of justice is injustice b, it is indifference, it is inaction and it is silence. got to get some folk woke. >> we deserve to have a senator who's character and integrity and veracity is not questioned on day one and there is only one candidate in this race that we can count on. and that's doug jones. >> i want to bring in senior national correspondent, alex, joining us from montgomery. we just laid out some of the latest from the doug jones campaign. meantime, the roy moore campaign
is getting another boost from the president. >> reporter: they are and the moore campaign in contrast to the jones campaign has actually remained relatively silent over the course of this weekend. that is in part due to the fact that moore may feel like he is more comfortable because he knows that he has this passionate base behind him. but at the same time, he's letting the president's words speak r for themselves. the president was at a rally in pensacola in florida last night and during ta rally, he voiced his support for roy moore. that is not the last time that voters here in alabama are going to be hearing from the president on that subject. we've just learned that the president has recorded a rrk obo call for moore in these final few days before the special election on tuesday. it's unclear when that robo call will be going on, but you can
certainly imagine that it will reflect somewhat what the president said about the race last night. he was very vocal in reiterate ing that endorsement for roy moore. there was all sorts of speculation as to what extent the president would get involved in this race then last monday, the president issued this full throated endorsement for roy moore, which he reiterated last night, casting doubt on some of the accusers of roy moore's and say iing that he needs someone like roy moore in the senate to advance his vend, a conservative agenda, so when it comes to this robo call, we can imagine that it will e reflect something similar to what he said last night. take a listen. >> we can't afford to have a liberal democrat who is completely control led by nancy pelosi and chuck schumer. we can't do it. can't do it.
his name is jones. and he's their total puppet and everybody knows it. he will never, ever vote for us, so get out and vote for roy moore. do it. do it. >> reporter: so what will the president's endorsement and this robo call mean for the race? well, it could have a certain amount of impact. there is a passionate base that will turn out for moore. there might be a number of people, conservatives, republicans, who are on the fence who were scared waway by these allegations or at least were assuaged by the president. but by injecting himself so much into this race, he could turn it into a referendum and people in the doug jones camp could come out not only to vote against roy moore, but dwens the president. >> quickly, alex, we understand steve bannon is going to be holding another rally for the candidate, roy moore, on monday?
>> reporter: he is. as i noted, moore is not having any rallies this weekend, but he is having a drain the swamp rally on monday night in midland city. it will be featuring steve bannon. that's going to be the third time that the president's former chief strategist turns out for roy moore before this election. >> bannon and trump. really trying to rally the base. thank you. i want to bring in our panel to discuss further. ben ferguson, tara, conservative come taiter a tater and the boa director for stand up republican. ben, i'll start with you. the president has now gone all in. on roy moore. right? everything that comes with him. that means. beyond the child molestation accusations, we know moore has said he believes former president obama isn't an american citizen. that a lack of faith played a role in 9/11. that homosexuality is the same at bestiality and that the last
time america was great was at the time when there was slavery. as a republican yourself, are you comfortable with this man representing your party? >> i'm not and i don't think he represents the party. i think you've got a fraud candidate here who unfortunately many people in alabama say look, he doesn't necessarily represent my moral code. my moral fiber, but he represents my interests better than the democratic candidate on basic issues that matter to me in washington. and that's the reason why ipg he's probably going to win this. i personally don't think roy moore should be in the u.s. senate. but i understand there's a lot of people in alabama that say they do not trust the democratic candidate either. they don't trust him on issues like abortion and there's a being big x factor. one of the big accusers of roy moore, unfortunately, she told a lie and inscribed some of the commentary around roy moore's signature, which was clearly falsifying what she was trying to say happened to her and for a
lot of voters in alabama, they said that's enough for them, enough doubt put out there by her admitting that she has you know, put commentary around his signature, to say i don't believe her or i don't believe maybe some of these other people either, so i'm going to vote for roy moore. >> dou you believe the women? >> i think there's enough smoke here and enough problems around roy moore by enough women. i think there's a real problem b with this one woman who wrote around the signature. that just flat up corruption that you shouldn't do. especially when you're accusing someone of something like this. >> based on what we know about the commentary, it sounds like she put the date and the place. >> that's right. >> but again, she stands behind the fact it was his signature and message. but tara, to ben's earlier point about why perhaps some people would choose to vote for roy moore even if they don't agree with the things he has said or
perhaps done. i remember during the presidential campaign, a number of republicans were willing to say while they weren't the biggest fans of then candidate trump, they wanted a republican picking the next supreme court jus justice. so is it far for republicans to say i want that republican vote in the senate? >> we're not talking about someone who was perhaps late on a tax payment or parking ticket or two. we're talking about someone who's credibly accused of sexually molesting a teenage girl and being a predator for other young teenage girls when he was in his 30s. how low is the bar going to go now at this point? i understand when people can you know hold their nose. some people didn't like john mccain. mitt romney, because they thought he was too stiff or too rich. we're not talk iing about those kinds of character flaws. we're talking about something that was potentially criminal. so i think that that excuse, just because you can explain it doesn't mean you should excuse it and at some point, we have to make a decision. what the character of our nation is going to be.
and by casting aside these flaws just means something shouldn't matter because he may cast a vote that you like. i think that's a very, very dangerous path. and to clarify the mischaracterization that ben is putting out, that woman can did not falsify anything. she didn't codo that. she added a date and location so she could have a contemporaneous understanding of where roy moore signed this and what the reference was. that's very different than falsifying or forging, which is what a lot of conservative media has done unfairly and another network had to correct a headline because they claimed she falsified that inscription. >> okay. >> i'm not excusing it away, but if you're a voter in alabama and you listen to this woman come out and you watched her press conference and she never brought any of this up then there's
questions. let me finish. there's also questions about the da that he would have not signed at the time because he wubt the da then they found out that's a signature put on there by assistants and court documents. she didn't disclose he was also over her divorce decree papers. you add all that up and the voters in al a al who have called into my radio show, have said they have a lot of problems with her story because it keeps forgetting these -- >> and i can hear and understand what they may be coming from on that one accusers story. and finding it relatively convenient to be able to have a hole in that credibility, but let's look at roy moore the candidate. he, too, has been questioned for his honesty. remember, he has been kicked off the supreme court in the state of alabama twice and the second time, the judges unanimously came out and said that he had not been credible.
that they found his use of case law as an incomplete -- excuse me, misleading and manipulatetive. i just wanted to get those facts out there. these voters were supporting moore are choosing to believe him whose credibility and honesty has been questioned in the past. >> as a conservative, look, as a conservative, i've never wanted someone to legislate from the bench. that's the reason why in the primary i did not support roy moore. i said clearly, the guy should have been run ining for elected office and not been on the supreme court because he clearly did not follow the law of the land. that was a huge red flag for me. for him in general. then you add all this on this. i agree with you. i don't think he should be in the u.s. senator. i don't think al franken should be in the u.s. senate, but at the end of the day, the voters of alabama clearly understand the allegations against roy moore and the majority of them that i've talk ued to have said to me again, he does not represent my morals, but he does represent my interests.
and many of them said this. look, abortion is still a very big issue in alabama. and the democratic candidate is in favor of abortion. they've said look -- >> okay. >> one senator is not going to overthe turn rowe v. wade. voters need to take a look at a single issue like this. they talk about abortion, but they don't have a problem with a guy who's sexually molested young girls? there's a certain cognitive distant here that needs to be called out and moore lied about not knowing them. he clearly did. he was called out as a liar by the ethics committee with supreme court in alabama and he also lie d about taking a millin dollars from a charity that he set up when he claimed he owed it a small salary. turned out it was over a million dollars. he's a liar and lunatic on top of all these allegations. he has other positions on things that are not in step with the
republican party and you know what else? if he wins tr, the republican py is going to have to answer. mass mutual today had to come autoand say they do not support roy moore's candidacy because they gave money to the republican national committee. they're one of several corporations who have given money to the national committee that now are going to have to answer for that their money is going to support a candidate like this. this is a terrible, long-term prospect for the republican party who's destroying itself because they want to get a winner and political expediency is dangerous. >> thanks for the debate. appreciate it. >> thanks. still ahead. kcalifornia in flames. six separate fires burning up the state and now, the first fire related fatality. we'll take you to ventura, california, next. live in the cnn newsroom.
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let's take a look at what's happening with the wildfires. the challenges keep growing. high heat, dry air, strengthening winds are making things so hard for firefighters right now. flames have burned 175,000 acres so far. that's an area only shilightly smaller than new york city. thousands of homes are threatened. hurricanes have been destroyed. the thomas fire has burned 148,000 fires in ventura county. this is already one of the most devastate eing fires in califor history and with santa ana winds expected to pick up tomorrow, are they worried things will get worse? >> reporter: everywhere you go, the store, just to get ice cream, everyone is talking about the weather forecast because this is a wind driven event and that house and what you see through this neighborhood is one example of it. fire is pushed in this
community. it was pushed in this community with the wind. it whipped through this community and then it burned all of these houses down. you can see there's little left. some of the people who live here got their first look at what was left. >> my lifetime. couple of lifetimes. like i said, 84. 83. my mom and dad. they've been living here for 30 years. built it themselves. there's not much, but if there's a few things that will help them you know, have some connection with the past, then that's what i'll try to do. that's what it is. material stuff, but like you said, memories. of a lot of years. and we'll see where it goes from here. i don't know what they're going to do. it's a process. it's shock, still shock.
still trying to understand. little blocks. a little lizard. don't ask me. you know what, if it helps, it helps. despite the loss, we're fortunate. we have family close by. we have other options and you know, it's material stuff other people are doing so much more. have so much more tragedy in their life that we had nothing to complain about. you've got to just focus on that. makes the rest of it easier to deal with. >>. >> reporter: firefighters trying to prevent more people from experiencing what that man and his family has by fighting very hard in what you're looking at now. this is a live picture of the north flank of the fire. it's a giant plume that you can see across this county. the fire growing. expanding into santa barbara
county. even though this is contain ed, 15% say this is a very dangerous fire. 15,000 structures are threatened and here in ventura, they have experienced 500 structures that have been burned down in this fire alone. the weather forecast for r tomorrow, the winds expected to become even more dangerous. those dry conditions you were referencing will also continue. >> the damage there just incredible and so disheartening to see. thank you for that report. now as california battles the dry heat, increasing winds, dangerous flames, the southeast shoveling out from a surprisingly strong winter storm that's headed north. gene norman is joining us now. i want to start with the fires because of the danger where with these fires. when is the weather finally going to be helping the situation there? >> the good news is that we probably will see a break in
high winds by the time we get to early next week. so we're anticipating that and hoping that that will be the case. as we take a look at what's going on with those winds, we're seeing that as we zoom into this area here in the thomas fire location, we're noticing that well, it's a large area and when you see a report like that, you got to remember that all of this area in red is what is impacted by the fire. the potential for the winds to increase, overnight tonight and into tomorrow morning. that's a big problem, of course, because a lot of people might be sleeping. not realizing that this is going to occur. the area impacted by the fire is actually about the size of chicago, believe it or not. winds right now in the 20 to 30 mile an hour range, but watch the forecast. very important to note that the pique of the highest winds will occur around 4:00 in the morning california time. so as people are sleeping, they
may not realize this is happening and they need to be aware those embers could quickly ignite and quickly park. meanwhile, switch to the southern snow situation. take a look at these totals from overnight. nearly 2 feet in northeast georgia. about a foot in the atlanta suburb. 7 inches in corpus christi. the snow continues, the system moving up the east coast, but moving quickly. a lot of the moisture is out in the atlantic ocean and so, the it will all be done by dawn tomorrow. anywhere from 2 to 4 inches in the big cities. 4 to 6 in sections of new england. 12 days from the official start of winter, but ana, it feels like it for a lot of people. >> no kidding. a foot of snow near atlanta. wild. thank you. good to see you. coming up, 400,000 documents. we're just now learning how much evidence robert mueller collected in the case. next, you're live in the cnn newsroom. and energy in just two weeks.reh
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report coming after we were learning she was interviewed by special counsel investigators on thursday and friday this week. so this makes her the latest person in the president's inner circle to be questioned by robert mueller's team. let's discuss where this fits in with the russia investigation. samantha, former cia operative, mike baker and paul cowen are joining us. so man that, you worked for the white house, advised president obama in national security matters. is it normal for foreign operatives to contact top presidential advisers like this? >> thanks, ana. there are two related issues here. the first is that historically, foreign governments including russia, who is a very sophisticated intelligence service, have tried to contact u.s. government officials. this is why when you enter the administration, you get a counterintelligence briefing. now it may be time for a refresher course for the administration on how to stay villagilant against contacts fr foreign governments.
it's now clear that the russian intelligence operation which began during the campaign continued through the transit n transition, didn't end when the administration took office. despite the fact that the obama administration had publicly outed the russians for interfering in the election, the it's now clear that russian officials tried to contact hope hicks. so my question is whether the russian government tried to contact any other administration officials and if so, when. >> and the question i have is why, mike? because russia had communication lines with other trump transition members during the same time period we're learning. mike flynn was in touch with the russian ambassador and actions and jared kushner was reportedly trying to set up a secret channel with the kremlin. so why would russian operatives need to reach out to hope hicks? >> because this is what they've been doing for generations. it was just pointed out, this is nothing new. you go back to the beginning of
the 19 how 40s when russia was still alive with gjere germany before hitler decideded to invade russia. they spent a lot of time here in the u.s. trying to influence public opinion. trying to keep the u.s. igslationists out of the war. they paid off journalists. they set up trade groups that were independent. they paid off union leaders. they contacted and tried to engage and influence government personnel. they've been doing this all this time. this is what the russian intel service does. they're zoeing discontent and constantly, their game's never changed. it's trying to chip away at the credibility of democracy, of government here in the u.s. anybody who's been involved in a counterintelligence operations and not spent some time working against the russians in my time, this is not a surprise to anybody. not saying the investigation isn't important. do what you need to do. but understand it and put it
into context from an operational perspective. >> again, this is happening during the transition, does it undercut the idea of collusion and that russia had deep rooted ties to the trump campaign during the campaign itself? >> well, it does in a sense. i suppose you could look at it this way. speculation on my part. but i will say this. they played both sides. the russian intel service, the people involved in this effort, they've been promoted an they're you know, they've done a very good job from their per specktive and played the democrats and republicans. so you know, again, carry out the investigation. make the interviewed, do what you need to do. we knew that hope hicks was going to be interviewed several weeks ago. they said they were fwoipg to do this. that's the right thing. the fbi did what they're supposed to do. from a counterintelligence perspective. this is what they're supposed to do.
they become aware of something and they are supposed to sit down with whomever is in the administration and say we've got a concern and this is why and ensure that people are aware of how aggressive it is out there in the world. >> so paul, hicks may now know, interviewed with mueller's team, two days worth of questioning with her. how integral do you think she has become in this investigation? >> i'm not surprised that it would take so long. because remember, she acted as a personal assistant or administrative assistant to the president for a long period of time while he was in office during the campaign. going back into the days of his business. so she obviously knows all about the trump financial empire, the trump campaign and what went on and key moments. one of the big key moments for instance being after the famous trump tower meeting at a press release was issued, she was involved in the process of working on the press release presumably and has been a big debate about whether the president was involved. >> after the revelation there would be this meeting.
>> that's right and this profit the president helped to draft it and he's denied that now and don jr. was questioned about that. so hope hicks would have a lot of answers to very important questions. >> do you think she could be in legal trouble if she was just a conduit or a fly on the wall during some of these conversations? >> i think it's unlikely that she would be in legal trouble unless she lies to the investigators then she can wind up like a lot of other people do in these investigations, being charged with lying to the fbi because you're trying to help a friend or help somebody else like the president on one of his sons and you get in trouble yourself. so it remains to be seen. >> samantha, president trump haeeld the rally last night. at one point, we heard the crowd start chanting lock her up in reference to hillary clinton. i want everyone to hear what the president said in response to those chants. >> this is a rigged system. this is a sick system from the
inside. and you know, there's no country like our country, but we have a lot of sickness in some of our institutions and we're working very hard. we've got a lot of them straightened out, but we do have, we really do. we have a riggeded system in this country. we have to change. >> the president of the united states calling u.s. institutions rigged and sick. what impact does that have? >> these statements are disturbing on a rot of levels, but they have real national security implications for two reasons. think about what kind of message those statements send to our enemies.commander in chief of the united states broadcasting publicly that our institutions in his mind at least, are sick. this could send a message to our enemies that your institutions are in a weakened state and are vulnerable to attack. he's yet again undermining the
confidence and moral of the dedicated public servants that go to work every day and serve our country. we've seen this every day and we've seen him do this with the fbi. this is not a way that ta president should be protecting our country. >> mike, how do you see it? did do the president's attacks against the fbi, the department of justice, make the u.s. less safe? >> i don't think they make them less safe. i think they're completely unnecessary and again, it all comes back around to this issue of what i would like to see. again, i didn't vote for either of the candidates this this last election. i just thought in country this large, we might have been able to do better perhaps. i suppose we could ask bernie sanders if the system was rigged after we found out the actions there. but i don't think that any of these tweets or any of the messaging that goes out is helpful in any way. i don't think it necessarily makes us less safe. from the bureau's perspective, i can speak from the agency's perspective, the people out there in the field on the pointy edge of the spear, they just get
on with their job. they don't care who's in the white house in a sense. just give us priorities, tasks, we're going to march on. at the same time, sort of at the top level, they're human, right? and they would like to always feel as in because they operate off the radar. that's their job. you don't go into the cia, the bureau, because you want a pat on the back every day. you would like to think you've got top cover from above and that's where sort of that human sense comes in and the frustration. >> i want to ask you about what we're learning, a new detail in mueller's investigation. court documents revealing what kind of evidence he is now collecting for paul manafort and rick gates cases and includes 400,000 document, 36 laptops, phones, hard drives, thumb drives. that soupds like a lot. 400,000 documents in just a motter of months. is is it a lot? >> it's not really a lot consider considering what he's investigating and he's investigating $75 million, $25
million of which he says might have been laundered by manafort. that's what's charged in the indictment. in connection with the indictment. so and in these white collar crimes when you're dealing with that kind of money, there's a lot of evidence involved. a lot of documents involved. what's most surprising to me having looked at it now caref carefulfully, it doesn't touch on trump. all the manafort stuff is before the election campaign. it's, he had a complicated life and obviously, a lot of money. 75 million passed through his hands and they say 25 million of it was laundered. but all before the election. so i think what trump supporters will say is well, this is n nonsense. it has really nothing to do with the president. we have yet to see the connection from president trump to the manafort investigation. >> we know though because he's been charged, it doesn't exclude other charges. >> this could be superseded if these charges and this investigation leads to something that connects him to the
president or connects the campaign to the russians. so we'll have to see what happens in the end. >> all right, everybody. paul, samantha, mike, thank you all. coming up, tensions are now at an all time high on the korean peninsula and there are new fears about athletes competing at the olympic games. just 50 miles south of the dnz. we'll tell you what precautions are already being taken, next. (vo) dogs have evolved, but their nutritional needs remain instinctual. that's why there's purina one true instinct. nutrient-dense, protein-rich, real meat number one. this is a different breed of natural nutrition. purina one, true instinct.
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several men through molotov cocktails at the synagogue. no reports of anyone hurt or any damage to the building, but stay in touch with cnn because we are in touch with officials there. meantime, tensions running high over the missile threat from north korea and concerns this rogue country may attempt some sort of attack during the 2018 winter olympics in south korea are growing. brian todd has this report on how north korea could possibly interfere in the upcoming games. brian. >> as tensions with kim jong-un's regime intensify, u.s. law enforcement and security agencies are ramping up coordination with their south korean counterparts. just eight weeks before the winter olympic, concerns are mounting that north korea might engage in a violent provocation to disrupt the games. which are being held just 50 miles south of the dmz. >> things north korea might do
to provoke the south koreans, to cause either the games being shut down on events being moved or potentially war. >> security experts say soft targets like transportation hubs, schools a, and shopping areas could be targeted fwi the north koreans during the li olympics. could athletes from america and elsewhere be in danger? nicki haley hinted at it on fox. >> do you feel comfortable sending family members? >> i think it depends on what's going on at the time in the country. we have this watch this closely and it's changing by the day. >> but now, the white house and u.s. olympic committee say america is planning to send its athletes. still, there is a unique security threat at these games. the location and razor sharp tensions over kim's missile tests have the region on edge. north korea has used tunnels to try to insert commandos and frog men into south korea for spying and assassinations. and the regime has a history of
violence surrounding sporting events. a south korean airliner was blown up in 1987 with all 115 people on board killed. one of the agents was captured and said the bombing was ordered by the north's leaders to disrupt the 1988 summer pim liam picks in seoul and during the world cup in south korea, north korean patrol boats engaged in a skirmish with the south, leaving several servicemen on both sides dead. analysts say kim has strong motives for disrupting these olympics. >> he is facing the prospect of two years of maximum economic strangulation through sanctions and over law enforcement measures to really cripple his economy. he's going to look for ways to fight back. one way is to hurt the south kor koreaen economy. the south korean economy is 100% focused on a successful international olympic event. >> so imagine cyber sabotage. so you don't kill anybody, but
you just disrupt the economic flow. the transportation flow. you create a headache for the south korean government. you make the south koreans look bad. they lose face. >> analysts say if the north koreans don't engage in a violent provocation during the winter olympic, they're at least likely to send in spies. they say the liolympics will ofr the north korea bens to gain economic intelligence on south korea, to place sleeper agents there and to make contact with the north koreans agents they have in south korea. brian todd, cnn, washington. coming up, congressman trent frank allegedly offering to pay an aide $5 million to have his child. details on this rather bizarre resignation and the story behind it, next. live in the cnn newsroom. you switched to the capital one quicksilver card. and how do you feel? [sighs] like a burden's been lifted. those other cards made you sign up for bonus cash back. then they change categories on you every few months.
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for money. the woman said she was asked to look over a contract to potentially carry his child and if she conceived his child, she would be given $5 million. this account comes from andrea laverty and she's presented her side of the story to speaker of the house paul ryan's office. and this of course was first detailed and reported to the associated press. speaker of the house paul ryan quickly called for his resignation after a very swift condemnation. he called the charges very credible and very serious. the congressman pushed up his deadline for his official resignation. he did this on friday. instead of resigning officially on effective january 30th, 31st, he resigned on friday. he is out and he's punting a bit to his family. he said his wife was admitted to
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