i think what we need to focus on, whether it is black or white or or straight, making sure that we have hate crime laws like this throughout the country, that protect people like this individual that was brutalized by those four maniacs. to be when i don't believe in hate crimes laws. i don't think we should prosecute people based on their thoughts. >> you don't think is a hate crime? >> tucker: i think hate is involved, i'm merely saying it is a separate category. i'm also opposed to lying and downplaying something that is obvious. it is clear that this man's race and political position played a role. >> absolutely. >> tucker: that is not all clear from the accounts that were prevalent today. the associated press, and the first account, didn't measure tl angles. i wonder why that was. >> i don't know. what i can say here, the charges came down from the prosecutor, the final arbiter, there is no arbiter of the case.
people reporting the facts, which is, this individual was charged with a hate crime, this prosecutor, based upon the standards for a hate crime in the state of illinois, thought that these four individuals were in violation of a hate crime. just like dylann roof, according to the statues in south carolina, were in violation of the height hate c. >> tucker: we also draw conclusions from events, that is part of our job here, simone sanders said this, this is not a hate crime. hate crimes are because of a person's racial ethnicity, religion, gender, disability. it isn't your political leanings because someone doesn't like your political leanings. if you had to don clement saying, i don't get is evil. i think these are young people, and they had bad home training. >> last night on "the kelly fire," i called it a hate crime. it is a hate crime, it is wrong, it is violent, it is disgusting. what they should cause us to do, tucker, should cause all of americans, whether you are black, white, hispanic, jewish, muslim, to say we are moving
into a new presidency, how do we come to the table. this is not america, right? this is not america. how do we come together and have a conversation about making our country better, how do we have a conversation about looking beyond race, looking beyond gender, looking beyond -- >> tucker: i am totally -- look. you walk into a certain neighborhood, you are the wrong color, you are liable to get in trouble. okay? that is just true. i know it firsthand. you can't say that out loud and most venues because it doesn't doesn't -- >> that is part of the problem. you need to have these conversations. when i walk in -- when i go to friendship heights, and the d.c. area, or any high-end boutique, i'm followed around by a salesclerk because i happen to be african-american, it is the same as you getting in trouble and a black neighborhood. we have to have these conversations to break the stigma down. when it happens to become i go to the manager and say, your clerk is following me, i'm here to make a purchase, this is wrong, we need to work on fixing it. >> tucker: i think this sums
up perfectly the attitude from the left. if the attackers have been right in the victim had been black, the incident would have conjured america's ugly history. there is -- that might be right on the merits, but it is an obvious attempt to downplay the significance of this. what's at stake, as you know, is victim status. the idea that a trump supporter might be a victim of a crime based on political beliefs. okay, but nobody wants to give up. >> the prosecutor was very clear -- >> tucker: why are all these liberals trying to say that this is just one isolated example? >> here is the problem. i would argue that a hate crime is a hate crime. it doesn't have a political tilt to it. dylann roof, we don't blame republicans for dylann roof. no. we should in plain democrats. >> tucker: are you joking? >> i never blamed --
dylann roof is a rage maniac -- >> tucker: were you in this country when that happened? by the way, let me say, i agree with what you are saying. i disagree with your and willingness to see what has been going on. there is a mass shooting that has a prescribed media narrative, all of a sudden -- >> let's be very clear. after the dylann roof case, there was a campaign to take down the confederate flag, which was the right thing to do. and the governor, republican governor -- >> tucker: they banned "the dukes of hazard" from television. as if every southerner -- >> it has -- that's two different conversations. the dylann roof incident brought to life -- >> tucker: they did that after dylann roof. >> i'm making a point. after the dylann roof incident was brought to life, and south carolina, the confederate flag flies over the capital. both democrats and or publicans in south carolina agreed it was a bad idea. waiving the confederate flag --
>> tucker: look, if demagoguery -- in my mind, they banned the dukes of hazard -- >> we are having a conversation about four individuals who committed a hate crime of the confederate flag. you can't lump the whole party and with it. that is the argument i am making. it's wrong, it's disgusting, shouldn't happen. it is not time to -- i am being absolutely honest. >> tucker: we are out of time. >> good to see you. >> tucker: thank you. >> congratulations. >> tucker: u.s. intelligence reiterated their belief that the russian government actively meddled in the u.s. election. here are some highlights from today's testimony. ♪ >> every american should be alarmed by russia's attack to our nation. >> the hacking was only one part of it. the aftermath, an unprecedented attack on our democracy.
>> it also declared the classical propaganda. >> ladies and gentlemen, it is time now, putin is up to no good, he better be stopped. >> tucker: fox news chief intelligence correspondence catherine herridge is covering the story at the capitol tonight. she joins us from there. what is going on? >> thank you, tucker. the bottom line is that the witnesses testified that there are more confident today than they were back in october that this was russian interference, that it came from the highest level of the government. but no one blamed vladimir putin by name and no one said that this was done to help donald trump win and to make sure that hillary clinton lost. they did testify that it was a multifaceted campaign that involved the theft of the emails from the dnc and the clinton campaign, as well as disinformation, as well as fake news. but they also testified that
they never found any evidence that the voting on the ballots was changed in any way. they really couldn't speak to the impact of public opinion and whether that influenced how they voted at the end of today. now, there are several reports here, we have this classified her part that went to the president today. this will also be brief to congress. then, the president-elect will get his briefing tomorrow, and then, early next week, we believe monday, based on our reporting, there will be an unclassified report that's available to the public. the witnesses testified today that they will try and be very forward leaning and providing a lot of detail about who exactly was pulling the strings on this thing. and whether motivation and intent was, tucker. >> tucker: what is the significance, if any, catherine, the timing here? >> i have been covering this area for more than a decade. it's always important to look at the timing of events. you know, from working in this town come up when there is a big rollout of information, this tes
to be almost choreographed to the party that is in power. we asked the white house today if the report was just vinyl this week. how was it that the administration imposed sanctions in russia last week and then, expelled 35 russian diplomats if they didn't have the final reports. what they said is that they wanted a forceful response and they didn't need more information to do that. it begs the question, what does a forceful response mean when the hacking is well-documented and it began over a year ago, tucker? >> tucker: that is the question right there. catherine, thanks a lot. >> you're welcome. >> tucker: for more on russia's hacking, we have newt gingrich. thanks for being here. what is the truth, in your view, the bottom of this? to what extent did the russians interfere in the selection? >> no more than the united states interferes all over the world to the u.s. information agency. i mean, i don't see --
apparently, i have not seen the report, apparently, the report says they didn't change any votes, i don't understand what the word hacking means in this context. it apparently didn't change any votes in any precinct in america. the american people voted without interference. the russians may have engaged in disinformation. whether that is more disinformation than "the new york times" routinely engages in, i have no idea. and i don't take it -- this is a country where "al jazeera" is a really evolved by cable, for pete's sake. >> tucker: you heard a number of different intelligence officials express outrage at president-elect trump was in effect integrating what they doo or casting aspersions on their honesty. >> i am happy to catch aspersions. i believe that we have clear evidence over and over that there are people very high in the intelligence community who have been politically redesigning what they say and
who are trying to respond to what they thought the obama administration wanted. we have a clear case in the central command where 50 different analysts signed a letter, a very unusual -- saying that their commanding general had been pressuring them to understate the power of isis to fight the white house's definition. now, that is a clear, and inspector general investigation right now. they were basically saying, their implication was, the director of national intelligence was putting pressure on the central command to produce reports that fit the white houses world. >> tucker: that would be james clapper. >> that would be james clapper, he is a good friend, i thought very highly of him over the years, the fact is, those 50 analysts argue that the pressure was on to issue reports that understated the danger of isis. >> tucker: am i misremembering this? this is james clapper who said today, the director of national intelligence, who said, our assessment is now even more resolute that russia interfered
in this election. a politically charged thing to say. as of the same james clapper who assured the country that the nsa was not spying on americans? was he lying when he said that? >> that is the whole challenge you got. we probably need a national dialogue. i'm not sure we need a national debate. we need a national dialogue about how the modern world is going to work. sony gets hacked, presumably by north korea, although, we don't totally know that. the fact is, we don't have a very good grip on how this stuff works. and who does what. you have people who have falsifying operations. so, maybe it was the russians, maybe it was the chinese pretending to be the russians. we don't understand all of this stuff. i am very suspicious that this has been going on -- what does it say to you by the american intelligent system, this has been going on for over a year, they don't really discover it until trump wins? i mean why weren't they saying it six or eight or nine months ago? >> tucker: having been around
this a lot, do you think, actually, the community doesn't know? is that possible? >> i think -- let me say up front. i am very sympathetic to how hard it is to know things that are secret. i went through and reviewed the weapons of mass destruction report that was the basis of the iraq campaign under bush. and i think it was honestly their press assessment. it was an assessment with the russians, the italians, the british, the french, they all agreed with. it turned out to be wrong. the nature of intelligence is, you often don't know things, even if you think you know them. and we overvalue it. in that sense. it's important, but you shouldn't say that it is definitive. cyber behavior, cyber warfare is a new world. none of us have a very good grip on ant. the national security agency is probably the best in the world. but they are the best in a way that is shrinking because the
zones of -- are getting bigger. the number of players are getting bigger. there are more and more small groups of criminal hackers who are astonishingly successful, they steal hundreds of millions of dollars a year. in this environment, what i find it suspicious, if you well, i don't want to overstate it, the president of the united states, barack obama, is in essence telling us, that in the last year of his administration, after he had seven years to fix this, something may have been going on for 12 months that they are not totally sure of. but now, and the last weeks, they have decided to issue a report, which is filled with uncertainty, while they are saying they are certain. >> tucker: posing as absolute certainty. in that way, it is a classic washington summation, i would say. thanks a lot for joining us. >> good to see you. ♪ >> tucker: time now for "twitterstorm," our nightly
forecast of social media's most powerful weather patterns. a simple question of about a pickup truck is sending shock waves through the press. all started when the street happen. the top three best-selling vehicles in america are pickups. questions to reporters, do you personally know someone who owns one, a pickup, that is? the response was sensitive. "washington post" national correspondence said this, because i'm from alaska, do any friends on one in d.c. or new york? no because they are unnecessary here. missing the point of the question. no. [laughs] how many journalists know someone who owns a ferret, going the non sequitur route. mother jones engagement editor ben dreyfus said this is a very silly question, to which come of the top three population centers are liberal strongholds, do you personally know someone there? burn. and finally, "new york times" science writer covers climate change and said this, that might be the dumbest question i have heard today. of course i do. that is not a word to drive a
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how did you afford a newspaper at the age of 19? >> as of right now, we have been working on a handshake. it has been very unofficial. it has been a big cobble work, we have been able to get a bite, and has been well within what i can afford. >> tucker: good for you. why would you want to do this? >> well, a paper, especially in eastern arkansas, i didn't know this until i had actually gotten involved with the "central delta argus-sun" ," it is a badge of pride for a community and i think that it is a worthwhile endeavor to try to keep it alive for as long as it can be. >> tucker: i once worked in a newspaper in arkansas, a great paper. identify with the desire. there is nobody else in your age
cohort, not one person who you went to high school were, who worked at a newspaper, or read a newspaper, for that matter. [laughs] what is your plan to get this paper alive? >> i am very aware that the national trend has been the downfall of newspapers. but in my particular area, there is still a demand for a paper. as long as there is a demand, i am willing to invest in being the supplier. it's just been, it's been a little bit of struggle getting off the ground. as of now, things are going very smoothly. >> tucker: now that you are the william randolph hearst of the "central delta argus-sun," you got to misuse your power, do you want to do something crazy with the paper every once in a while? write editorials against people you don't like? give better views to movies you didn't care for? what are you doing to make the paper yours? >> everybody is pretty well aware, i am 19. no journalistic experience. i am not going to bite off more than i can chew. but i am trying to do right now, his key people on staff i do
know exactly what they are doing. i have kept the staff from the old "central delta argus-sun," they have proven to be fantastic. i just this transition. but i don't really -- until i'm experienced and until it is all set in stone and everything is moving along smoothly, i'd rather not write my own editorial column. i'd rather cover the news and allow people to write an editorial column because i am 19. my input, we can live without it. >> tucker: boy, you are a self-aware young man. i read one account who said it was amazing you are not running a paper because you only took one journalism class. i thought that is so much better. you haven't been destroyed by taking journalism classes. you are still a normal person. >> [laughs] well, i don't know about that entirely. but i am doing my best to learn this as fast as i can. i really think this is trial by fire. i am ready to move and learn.
>> tucker: last question. are you going to endorse candidates? >> endorse who? >> tucker: endorse candidates when they run? all these politicians will glad hand you and try to convince you. will you sit with them and listen to their pages? >> if they want to run an ad, i will run an ad. otherwise, no special treatment. i'd rather not get involved for fear of conflict of interest. >> tucker: that is the spirit. nor journalism classes and you are beating a lot of people at "the washington post." hayden, thanks for joining us. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: coming up next, donald trump called chuck schumer the head clown of the democrats. we will tell you without a fight is about. coming up. is there an elk in your bed?
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thing and blame for the fact is, obamacare was a lie from the beginning. keep a doctor, keep your plan. it is time for republicans and democrats to get together and come up with a health care plan that works. well, senator schumer shot back with this. instead of calling names, president-elect should roll up his sleeves and call show us a replacement plan that would cover the 20 million americans that gain coverage. >> tucker: well, former mexico governor bill richardson, going just now. thank you for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. congratulations on your new show. >> tucker: thank you very much much. you are not a trump voter fraud you got to concede, trump does have a point here. he has no rolee in creating our passing obamacare. a purely democratic operation. is not working very well. part of it are find the parts of it are a disaster. and chuck schumer's attempt to pretend that it is donald trump's fault is a little much, no?
>> no. look, what schumer is saying, what democrats are saying, but 20 million americans that might lose coverage, okay, republicans, you want to repeal it, fine, but what is your alternative? so far, and the last seven years, i have not seen a republican alternative. what is going to happen to the pre-existing condition that -- will that be eliminated? what about those kids between 21 and 26 years old? will they be covered? will costs go down? i mean, there is no beef there on the republican side. i think what schumer is asking legitimately is, okay, you want to repeal it? what is your alternative? what are you proposing? >> tucker: i think we both know that pre-existing conditions and the ability to keep your kids on until late middle age or whatever are both very popular and they will stay. the costs have risen, it's not a question of bringing it down come as a question of stopping the rise. the real question is, what democrats come if they were in charge, keep it the way it is?
's at the alternative schumer is suggesting, it is doing fine, let's keep it? is anybody doing that? >> i think what president obama said, what democrats are looking at, yeah, there is no question, especially during the election. not, some of the premiums went up. how can we keep the costs down? i think that is a legitimate issue. there are issues relating to states and medicaid. you know, a lot of states, it was a lot of republican governors, including the one here in new mexico, chose to continue using medicaid. the big problem, tucker, and the interim period between the repeal and a new law which some republicans it said will take six months, what is the alternative? what will happen to all of these people? 20 million that are under obamacare? it is not just poor people. it is the middle class. it is anglos, hispanics, you were talking in your previous segment, it should cover everybody. >> tucker: i don't think it is
a racial question. 20000000 out of a country of 335 million, not a huge -- i mean, the truth is, the system itself doesn't work. i think most democrats privately will concede that. so, why wouldn't the democrats say, here are our ideas for reforming it, i would hate to think that because of this president's signature achievement, they wouldn't want to concede that it doesn't work. they know it doesn't work. what are what if they admitted? >> well, look, the reality is, republicans controlled the house, the senate, and the presidency. so, now, it is their responsibility to govern. what is wrong with republicans saying, repeal, all right, you want to repeal, but what is the alternative? i have not seen an alternative on their side. so, the burden is on those that won the election. i think donald trump legitimately won the election. i'm worried about his criticism of the intelligence community,
denying russian hacking. but i concede, i want him to succeed. he is my president, although, during this period, he has not respected that it presidential transition. there is only one president. he is tweeting policy and programs before he even takes office. that is not right. that makes me uncomfortable. >> tucker: it's not right for him to express his opinion before he sworn in. let me ask you. you saw the democrats on the hill with their sign, make america sick again, which is what they claim trump will do. if you look at life expectancy in the united states, it is going up for some groups since obamacare cast. it has declined precipitously for others. the outcome doesn't seem to be at all that we expected. a lot of people are dying earlier than they did when obama took office. does that factor into your consideration of whether obamacare was successful? >> yeah, look. i think it has been successful. yet, there are flaws, we could make it better, ab -- >> tucker: dying earlier? [laughs]
>> that's not good. 70 today, i'm not there yet, that is the 50s and 60s of the past. you don't have to worry about that. you are still a young guy. i think at the same time, tucker, let's reform it. let's make it better but not repeal it. with no alternative. this is not going to be good policy. and it's not going to be good politics. >> tucker: i think this they repeal with no alternative, that would be hard to imagine that happening. we'll see. governor, thanks for joining us. >> thank you. >> tucker: donald trump spent the day in new york city. fox news national correspondence john roberts is outside trump tower. he was on the road with trump for a year or more. john, good to see you tonight. >> it only seems like a year or more. [laughs] go to seo. hey, business wrapped up at trump tower, donald trump are still tweeting. we will get to that in a second. the big news is that donald trump has settled on his choice for the new director of national intelligence, it will be the retiring senator from
indiana, dan coats. he served 12 terms in the senat senate. he was also the ambassador to germany for a time. he was famously kept out of russia, which he sort of wears like a badge of honor. the official announcement could come as early as tomorrow. that it was what donald trump has a significant intelligence brief, the same report that president obama saw on the alleged russian hacking, apparently, nbc has an exclusive look look at the classified report. donald trump writing on twitter, "how did nbc get an exclusive look into the top-secret report he come over obama, was presented, who gave him this report and why? politics." trump also tweeting, "the democratic national committee would not allow us them to see the computer info after it was supposedly hacked by russia." this is very much on the president-elect's mind as he gets out to meet with james clapper, the current 2d and i,
john brennan, the cia director, what will be a very big intelligence briefing tomorrow. at the same time, the trump transition has been beating back against "the wall street journal" report out this morning that trump plans on a significantly restructuring the office of the director of national intelligence the cia, bearing back staff at the dni, which donald trump has said to be bloated and politicized, clearly, by these tweets, he does think that there is a lot of politics intelligence. with the cia thinking of turning back some of the sap of the headquarters, and putting more people out in the field, sean spicer, who is the incoming press secretary, beat back strongly against that on the transition conference call saying, it is just not true. listen to what spicer said. >> speak of the president-elect's top priority will be to ensure the safety of the american people. the security of the nation. he is committed to finding the most effective way to do it. i want to reiterate, there is no
truth to the idea of restructuring the intelligence community infrastructure. it is 100% false. >> donald trump also clarifying his stance on julian sondra jula after tweeting earlier this week what he said about russia not being involved in dispensing the information that wikileaks leak. a lot of people thought that he was supporting assange, he did have the disclaimer on his twitter feed that said retweets are not an endorsement. he said he is not supporting assange, he is restating what he said. people said i am not a fan of intelligence. i am a big fan. though, transition sources do tell us, tucker, that donald trump would like to streamline the intelligence community and to depoliticize it, as well. tucker. >> tucker: john roberts from trump tower. thanks a lot, john. this time, the university of oregon, a law professor will tell us why this threats the free-speech rights of all of us. this is next.
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>> tucker: america's universities are teaming with countless petty tyrants. recently, the university of oregon, a professor was suspended for wearing black face to a halloween party, even though she says she was trying to send an antiracist message by doing it. law professor eugene volokh says that oregon's decision is a harbinger of the destruction of free speech rights on american campuses. he joins us now. thank you for coming on. >> thanks for having me. >> tucker: if you will just reassure me that i'm not missing something in the story. this professor wore black face to a party, trying to represent a that she thought would evoke. and she says she wasn't doing this as part of some minstrel show torah, or to offend someone, but to take a stand against racism. moreover, no one complained. are those the facts? >> so, first, it was a party at her own a house. there were some students she'd invited. she invited her students. it was her party at her house.
there was some indication that the students felt uneasy. but the concern was that the students were upset, then, other students who heard about it later on at the law school got upset. and lots of them heard about it because the law school made a big deal of having these discussions about it. that helped create the environment that made for speech punishable. >> tucker: they centered and pretty clear terms, that the actual disruption resulting from what she did are significant enough to outweigh her interest in academic freedom and freedom of speech. so, they are saying by dressing this way, she caused harm to people at the school? >> not only are they saying that, the implication is the same with regard to any kind of speech. even outside of school, that might be seen as racially offensive, whether intentionally or not, as religiously offensive. imagine somebody goes to somebody's house and there is a poster of a the mohammed
cartoons. i blogged them at one point on my blog. somebody reads my blog and they say, oh, no, i am now offended for religious regions because i am muslim, hypothetically. then, a whole bunch of other students make a big thing of it. the school starts having more discussions and then come at the university comes in and says, oh, it is now so disruptive, and large part because of the school has actually made it a big thing. now, they will be punished for it. any other professor as well cap. >> tucker: they get away with this, not by saying we are against free speech, nobody want to say that out loud, but they are. by equating birth they disagree with with the violence. i feel unsafe when you say that. >> that's a big part of it. a lot of students say that. the university is saying it is discrimination. it's true that if the professor decides to grade down a student because of their race or religion, that is obviously a violation of the law, in violation of the constitution. but what they are doing, they
are saying that speech offends certain groups is tantamount to legal discrimination. they are indeed re-characterizing speech as conduct that is now. >> tucker: no one is defending offensive speech. i am not. but once freedom of speech goes, it's over. that's it. mr. volokh, thank you. >> please finish your sentence. >> again, this is not just an about allegedly racist speech, this could be critical of homosexuality or certain claims about gender identity and transgender status. so long as some identify a group can be really offended by it, and can turn and this offense turns into more disruption of school, this is reason enough to suspend or to fire a tenured faculty member. >> tucker: that's right. ultimately, political speech will qualify. >> this was a form of political speech. >> tucker: that's right. exactly. professor, thanks a lot for joining us. that was interesting and ominous. straight ahead, "the
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books are really annoying, this one will make you snort with laughter, mostly at me. i make fun of myself throughout almost the whole book. then, i came up with some good lessons, some great formulas to tackle the problems that dog everyone. what i realized was, when i left hollywood, which is insane, as you know, a lot of the great values that they learned on the prairie really apply to the rest of your life and the rest of america outside of hollywood, like self-reliance, independence, hardware, all of those kinds of things. >> tucker: oh, i love that. how old were you when you started "little house on the prairie?" >> i was eight years old, i am so nervous to be on with you, tucker. >> tucker: [laughs] the king of cable. i was on the show when i was eight years old, i was only on for two seasons, it was a lot of fun. michael landon was very spirited, as most people know. but he is very hard-working. he was an entrepreneur. he owned that show, i don't people realize when he left
"bonanza," he took that formula and he redid it on "little house," he starred in it, and he was cheap as hell, which was very cool to see as a child. in hollywood, you think you have extravagant expense and people throwing money around, it was his money. he knew better. a lot of the kids learned the lesson from that. i was having dinner with melissa gilbert, she said, it is so interesting that none of us ended up robbing a drycleaner or the other things you hear about, and rehab. it is because of michael landon. he picked kids that were hard workers. he also taught us those very basic ethics that you actually saw on the show. showing up with your lines learned, hitting your mark, and really, their pride of an honest days work. >> tucker: i love that. i'm going to buy that book. i think it's great. >> i would expect nothing less. >> tucker: [laughs] i'm going to. thanks. see you. >> all right. >> tucker: coming up, we will
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pushing fake news, not to be outdone, cnn's chris tried to trivialize the president's trip by tweeting out this video, trying to make it look like polish first lady snubbed president trump, but president dududa, creationing record. corrected the report. saying my wife did shake the president's hand. anyone mocking president obama for bowing to saudi king.
>> areas like north korea, ukraine and isis, president trump did not let putin go without pushing him on election hacking, which putin denied. media is not covering the president fairly. is not covering president fully, and continues to trivialize him and push fake news. which is why if you want to see president covered fairly, tune in to "watter's world," president trump inviting vladimir putin to meet with him face-to-face in hamburg, germany, the first form alarcon veral,conversation that vladimin and a u.s. president has had in over two years. joining me now, kellyanne conway.
what did you think of water's word? >> i love them, you actually laid out some facts. that is very prefreshing. i thought it was unfortunate white house correspondent from a major news organization would go to poland, following the president's speech, applauded by so many people, including right, lift anleft and center, they apd him for appealing to our stir it, our pride, our identity, how talking about how borders may fall, and nations may suffer but the will of the people is strong and important, back to our western values, just making it about them again, the media are caught in this terrible cycle of trying to make most of the stories about them. they tweet at each other, they tweet snark elie about president, things that would never passat a pass an editor's. and they make such a big deal
about president's social media platform. >> i want to ask you a question about this meet between president trump and vladimir putin, this is what brinkley said about the meeting on cnn. >> he already kissing the ridge of putin, putin will go back a champion. >> narrative is that president trump kissed putin 's ring, and president trump said it was an honor to be with vladimir putin. which of the not a good idea to say. and the media is obsessing over how long the meeting took. they can't seem to understand what is going on. what is going on? >> they are not, but everything you said it irrelevant. to the actual meeting and to what president putin and president trump may be able to accomplishin together. president has said in the fast, if 3 there is a willing partner to help defeat isis, he is
listening, there are so many things they could talk about. they did, they are two presidents of country. all media speculation and handwringing. justin assault, they don't matter, they don't matter to the american people, have you seen the approval rating of media lately. >> it is in the tank right now, they cover the small fall issues, 220,000 jobs created last month. you have a lot coming out of this putin and trump meeting, they are focused on handshakes and what tie the other person wore. i want to show you funny video
>> i have seen this. last labor day we invited 20 minute quick trip. between two -- cleveland and ohio, there was somebody there, a reporter who was just hitting mr. trump day after day, and once he was in his company, he was like can i help you, hole hd your things. and it is -- when you are in this company of president trump, you realize that it is a specia place to be. i you are with the most powerfulhe man in this country.ot >> reality has a way of u intruding on the narrative..udig >> it does. president macron has invitedidep
president trump to france next e week, and he is going, at the invitation of president macron. a leader to leader level, there ther are issues discussed and ideas e presented, matters concurred together that are way above what everyone else is discusses. >> north korea, your reactionusg there. they tested the icbm the other day, it looks like china, in myh opinion, doesn't want to see a e unified korean peninsula, that i want to kee keep it divided, thy are not doing anything to showeh they are going to make progress on denuclearization. in your opinion, how optimistic is the white house about making china understand the threat and having china use its vast
influence.e.having the trade is about 40 percentts right now with china and north v korea, of calming things down on the peninsula? >> a few things, in first couple of months of his administrationn president trump has met with all of these leaders. he has established a positive relationship with respect toe trade for example with president xi of china. we we have beef going to china for first time in a long time for ca example.me. at same time we has met with leaders of south korea. moo mr. moon and mr. abe of japan, they had a ti tie trilateral diy just this week. everyone is serious in focusing on the fact that north korea launched a missile that seems to have different capabilities, asa secretary of defense mattis mentioned we're exploring thee economic and diplomatic channelm in response. but at the same time, president hasek pressed his opinion on china with respect to north korea.
everyone should look at that. >> i appreciate the things have you done. >> very subspan shal stan shall prm we -- substantial problem we all face in north korea. and i am sure whether it is on north korea or any of the many o things that we'll be discussing, we'll come to a successfulco conclusion. >> that is not fake news that il the president speaking about very serious issues, let's see s how much they cover thesemes issues. let's see how seriously they take the threat. >> you are right. inform the public.ke t >> is it a threat that should unite all americans, republicans and democrats. >> right. >> and even media, kellyanne thank you very much. >> thank you, jesse. >> a nypd officer, gunned down
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what the chant was saying. jesse: pigs in a blanket, fry them like bacon. >> that sounds like a nonsense chant. jesse: i agree it's nonsense, but it's real. >> it's real nonsense. when you talk about is black lives matter responsible for the uptick in violence against police. black lives matter is not an organization with dues-paying members. it's an uprising that came out of police officers killing blacks. when we look at the fact that this organization which isn't really an organization, it's a few people who started a
hashtag. ess just because it doesn't have a headquarters doesn't mean it's not a vibrant and loud organization. dana: i'll go to you. police officer deaths are up this year, almost 20%. and last year was the deadliest in the last five years for on-duty police killings. do youling black lives matter to any of that? >> yes. this is a group that was invited to the white house and given a platform at the democratic national convention. let's not make it out like it's a couple guys on a street corner who invented a hashtag. this is the one that gets me. what do we want, dead cops. when do we want them? now. this isn't guilt by association,
it's actively calling for violence against cops. jesse: we all don't want innocent lives to be taken in an exchange with law enforcement. no one wants that, black, white, hispanic, but there are four studies to show there is no racial bias in lethal killing. and lethal force is used against white suspect twice as much as on white suspects. the whole premise that white officers are shooting black suspects is just wrong. >> if you look at the percentage. 13% of america are african-american. 30% of incarcerated women are black women when they only make up 13% of the population of
americans. straight numbers and percentages can be manipulated to show whatever you want. jesse: that's because african-americans commit more violent crime as a percentage of the population than white americans. they are f.b.i. statistics. as a percentage of the population. but i have to run. and i think we can all agree nobody want to see anybody unfairly targeted by law enforcement. thank you very much. the college professor who says white trump voters are so mysterious, they need to be studied in class. it was the wwe video seen around the world. what do wrestling fans think of this? this is a story about mail and packages. and it's also a story about people
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can't you just walk the streets to find out what white working class americans think? >> apparently it doesn't work. so many of these people who have four-year degrees, the pundits, the politicians, the professors didn't understand the white working class. they don't understand it. since we already have black studies and female studies and gay studies, it seems we should study this group, too, so everybody, republicans, liberals, democrats and conservatives will understand. we have to understand it. also, something i came up with after i made this call, it's already being picked up with by the way.
life expectancy is a basic measure how well we are doing. since the revolutionary war life expectancy has gown for every group. but recently it has been going down for every white working class. they are suffering from what the experts call diseases of despair, drug abuse, alcohol abuse, and suicide. jesse: that's why the opioid crisis is such a big issue for president trump. let me save you have a little paper on the study tip used to go out on the street in "watters world" and talk to regular americans. i will explain why i think they voted for donald trump over hillary clinton. obamacare was hammering them. a lot of good-paying jobs left to go overseas. the open border situation was having hispanics come in and undercut their wages.
they didn't trust hillary clinton and couldn't relate to hillary clinton. donald trump's america first policy they could relate to and he was funny. and he's someone they believe could make america great again. that's pretty simple? >> it should be. why is it everybody else doesn't understand it. and i don't think that's quite true. if you look at blacks and hispanics many of them are suffering from the same problems the white working class are. their life expectancy is going up and they are not suffering from diseases of despair. you could be the first chair of white working class studies. jesse: i will be the white man chairperson. democrats put refugees over
veterans. they put illegal aliens over police officers and celebrate black lives matter. >> republican sources are saying republicans have to do this also. both parties have got to do it. jesse: lindsey lohan come together defense of president trump this week. dean cane is here to share first-hands experience of the bullying effect of the left. americans - 83% try to eat healthy. yet up 90% fall short in getting key nutrients from food alone. let's do more. add one a day 50+ a complete multi-vitamin with 100% daily value of more than 15 key nutrients. one a day 50+.
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jesse: the tsa failed 95% of its security tests. jesse: i can't even bring my two face. sandra is calling for a jihad against president donald trump. addressing the annual islamic society of north american convention this last weekend. she called on muslim americans to unite against the white house. >> i hope that when we stand up to those who affect our that all communities that it's a form of jihad and we are struggling against tyrants and rulers not only abroad in the middle east or other side of the world but here in the united states of america where you have fascists and white supremacist and islam
of folks rating in the white house. jesse: lindsay lohan is standing up for the president this week this is our president, stop bullying him and start trusting him. thank you, personally, for supporting the usa. sprint, which trouble did you get him for telling the truth? jesse: lohan will not have a lot of friends after that. the pc police strike in oregon where an hawaiian theme restaurant was forced to close its doors after locals of polynesian dissent slammed the eatery for having cultural and sensitive the core. the owner apologized saying the restaurant was in homage to a place he loved. so, sorry no more pics on a stick. in an ironic the fate the folks at peta are being attacked by the left for what time it is a are the unethical treatment of women. the animal-rights group apparently stayed a promotional event in wimbledon where women
in bikinis handed out dairy free treats to the sweltering crowd. peter fired back i mean it's critics were just a bunch of fruits. i love when the left is itself. here are some fake stories making news this week: the failing new york times strikes again, falsely reporting a statement from a parity north korea twitter account as an actual statement from the north korean government. the time story on it during military exercise between north korea and us said that the north korean government belittled the exercises demonstrating total ignorance of ballistic science. the times for us to publish a correction. ignorance. this time from the times. lastly, the white house is pushing back against the story from the daily beat claiming the administration asked the defense officials to brainstorm ideas that the brand the isis eye bird from his predecessor. false. senior white house officials say it never happened.
not going to be the first or last time. pretty me now is actor in host of masters of illusion, there he is, dean cain. what did you think of those ridiculous stories?? >> i could hear for an hour and a half. your whole show and then some could be at. it's ridiculous. there's so many and they just keep coming. text you pay attention to the fake new stuff? doesn't get you going or not? >> i get stupid. it doesn't get me going. it's that some people take it is real and that bothers me. i get where it and say that's jesse: ridiculous but it's insane. it's crazy. jesse: when you haveou conversations with all your left-wing hollywood, today trot out fake news as real news or do you have to correct them?'t pron >> that happens. honestly, it's xyz or this or
that or it's not true or this didn't happen, no they haven't proven collusion. it's not something. no, he doesn't work with putin, he doesn't have a hammer and sickle. jesse: they listen to you when you say that? >> they listen but i don't know that they hear me. i'll keep pounding my head against the wall. here's the thing for me. i'm independent. i see where there's truth and i'll say when your argument is better than mine and you can convince me i'll believe it. jesse: is hard to argue with facts. cnn taking even more hit for threatening to identify the person behind the gif of president trump body slamming the cnn logo. it started when he shared the t video on twitter and went viral. they hunted down the creator and threatened to reveal his identity. when you hear about a company going after some little guy on the internet, how does that make you feel? >> it's disgusting. it makes them look absolutely terrible. it's a very, very bad look for cnn. it's hurting them. they've also guaranteed that
there will now be 900,000 meme of donald trump. jesse: if you look on the right now you can find them. the ratings actually in the last two weeks sense this fake news has really gone down for cnn and it's unfortunate for cnn. >> they become everything on that channel, that show, it's all antitrust. that gets boring after a while. if you keep saying the same thing over and over -- if you see the tweets or the zero my god zero my god zero my god. jesse: it was phony. i let it slide. >> i was talking in the green room. jesse: can you do me a favor w contract next time you're in the hollywood walk of stars, if you see someone defacing donald trump * can you give them something for me? >> what you think i would do? if i saw someone burning the
american flag, they will hear my opinion. jesse: listen, if you see dean cain, hollywood walk of stars or walk of fame or whatever, don't debase a star. he's coming at you. thank you, very much still ahead, "watters' world" gets the scoop on what the wwe fans think of the viral video. president trump restoring american leadership on the world stage putting america first in his speech in warsaw. eric bowling is here with his take on the importance of going nationalist. >> our borders will always bee close to terrorism and extremism of any kind. constipated? trust #1 doctor recommended dulcolax. use dulcolax tablets for gentle dependable relief.
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the south or the east. that threaten overtime to undermine these values and to erase the bonds of culture, faith and tradition. our borders will always be closed to terrorism and extremism of any kind. we cannot except to those who reject our values and to usese hatred to justify violence against the innocent. jesse: that was present trump in warsaw delivering his best speech yet, what some say. he reiterated his campaign promise to keep america first.m something we should all agree on it but as usual, the mainstream media disagrees. check out the headlines of box published, trump speech sounded like in all the right manifesto. what he said and what it meant, those were just too headlines. i could go on and on. he may now is author of the new
book the swamp: how trump can drain it. cohost of the fox news special eric bolling. trump gives us a powerful speech in poland and he mentions god, freedom and borders. the left can't stand any of that. >> they are not used to it. that was trump's best speech. it might have been his best speech since he was present. it was very powerful on the chemtrail tone it down as president and this was his best speech. i love the fact that the polish people accepted and loved donald trump. i wish the american people accepted and loved donald trump the way the polish people did. jesse: a lot of people do but we don't hear about them but we only see the riders and instigators on the street.
i want to show you some of the regular americans reacted to some of the lines that the president spoke in poland. roll it. >> our citizens did not win freedom together, did not survive orders together, did not face down evil together only to lose our freedom to a lack of pride and confidence in our values. we did not and we will not, we will never back down. jesse: the red and yellow dials are republicans and independents and they loved this message. >> were you turning those dials under the table? [laughter] he delivered everything he promised as a president that he promised as a campaign person. i tell you, i wrote the book the spot because i figured he'd win but when we got to dc we wonder what we had in store and i was slapped with a deeper, uglier, murkier spot than anyone
imagined. and it's occupied by people with people on the right and for him to get on the united states, deliver that speech, it was a reset and a great moment. i also like the fact that it set him up to go on to the g20 where he met resistance, no doubt about it but at least the world saw a positive moment with president trump. by the way, melania trump was amazing. jesse: she gave a great introduction look beautiful as always. he mentioned the swamp during the speech in poland when he was talking about the bureaucracy and creeping socialism and all those regulations and how that can create decay in a society. >> he went from the dc to poland and poland is at the mercy of? russia. for the respective energy. donald trump is done rollback our energy regulations, first thing he did, roll them back, unleash the power of american energy and that is the jet fuel to the american economy but he
goes from poland where they released respect that. look, we have a guy, a friend who's exporting natural gas to poland. they love that. then he goes on to germany, guess what the germans are at risk for two? another problem with energy with russia as well. the world is a very, very sketchy place right now and i by becoming self-sufficient in energy, we are solidified ourselves as the number one powerhouse. jesse: even sketchy or is washington dc and we have the new, big book out and it's doing very well. congratulations. draining the swamp, if you could say one or two key things that president trump needs to do immediately what would it be? >> i think he did. the book hits the new york times bestseller. he tweeted about the book. i think the biggest thing that trump can do and i talked to him, i'm friendly with him and we speak -- continue to look at
the oval office as you do a board room. cut the fat, let people go thatu are working out, bring in people who are successful, look, we have rex tillerson and some ofid the most successful people in the world working for us and one more thought, when was the last time you ever heard the president say how much did that cost air force one, one of the first things he did was were paying too much for that. he'll be fine at. he's trying to cut the cost for the taxpayer. jesse: do you know who else fle, on that this guy. i'm glad were taking some cash out of these fat cats. whatever you want, eric. maybe next time to let you ride around. >> i want the peanuts and the beer nuts. jesse: i want the beer nuts and the beer. thanks a lot man. cnn allegedly threatening to out to the reddit user who created the viral trump wrestling 20. what wwe fans think of the attempted black male, up next.
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jesse: after a gif of present trump body slamming a super bowl cnn logo added controversy. we wanted to see what wwe fans at the summer slammed the way port had to say about the social media scandal. roll the tape what did you think about the trumpet cnn wrestling video? >> i thought it was great. i loved everything about it. but pretty damn stupid specs never did it, did a good job. >> donald trump is showing the world how dumb mainstream mediaw is..
jesse: is a trumpet cnn audioio make you want to do violence to? anyone? >> i will crush you. you allude and new definition of pain. >> of course not, the president has never inspired violence in my part. jesse: cnn is now blackmailing the maker of the video? >> it's absurd. >> they should be locked up. it's not right for them to do. jesse: what is more fake? cnn or wrestling? >> wrestling. jesse: wrong. >> i'll never say that fake. >> cnn is fake. >> cnn is totally more fake. it's more anti- conservative [bleep].
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1. we will leave with you that. have a great weekend, everybody. tucker carlson is up next. ♪ ♪ ♪ ♪ tuc >> tucker: well, good evening, and welcome to tucker carlson tonight. michael, one the president's campaign aides, who spoke to the press after coming out of the briefing. >> whatever it takes to help him clear up this russian collusion delusion. >> tucker: michael with l. join news a few moments what he saw in congress today. first attorney general jeff sessions gave a speech this week to a group of christian lawyers the group called alliance defending freedom.
the splc has said they are about attacking enemies and shutting down free speech for those that don't agree with them. again, it underscores the fact that these networks would use this as a source instead of using sources that the federal government has said are reliable and that the right and the left rely on. it does bring up. >> tucker: here is what i object to is the name-calling. so obviously the reporters who wrote these stories disagree with your views, fine. but why don't just explain what your views are and allow readers to come to their own conclusions rather than dismissing you or likening you to the klan of all things? >> exactly. i mean, if you look at our record, our record speaks for itself. we have played a role in 52 supreme court victories over the course of our ministry. and we have a case pending right now. and we just won one. these cases are not focused on anything other than protecting the rights of all americans no matter what their faith is. no matter what their walk of life is, all americans to
is shameful and i hope they are ashamed of this. kristin, thank you very much for that. >> thank you. thanks for your time. >> tucker: well, as of tonight we will bring you update on russia story. official washington still consumed by the supposed hacking of our election, a charge often repeated, rarely explained. the same election, by the way that brought many of them to washington. today the hysteria continued, indeed accelerated. watch this. >> the attack on the integrity of our elections, the security of our country. the integrity of our democracy is at stake. >> thank you leader pelosi for organizing all of us today who have taken some action in dealing with the trump family criminal enterprise. unveil the criminal activity, the unconstitutional activity of this president and his family. so, i have dubbed them the
criminal klan a long time ago. >> i think what we're learning with the trump jr. meeting is when you meet with any russians, you're meeting with russian intelligence. and, therefore, president putin. >> tucker: when you meet with any russians you are meeting with president putin. that's the level of debate in washington. michael caputo got hauled in front of a congressional committee today. he advised the presidential campaign. he was at closed door house hearing not long ago. he joins us now with an update. michael, thanks for coming on. >> thanks for having me. tucker, i want to congratulate you on the success of your show. i always admired your affinity for the grateful dead. i'm really happy to be here. >> tucker: thank you. there is a lot i don't know about this story. and i'm sincere in wanting to learn more. so, what did you learn in the event you went to today, the closed door session? >> this is a fishing expedition. >> tucker: okay. >> they told u two hours they
being a traitor. >> she was born in ukraine. if you and i are both know if you were born in ukraine that doesn't make you a fan of russia. she doesn't know her facts. i want apology. >> tucker: you are working for putin? i thought most ukrainians hate putin. >> they do. of course, there is difficulty going on between the two countries right now. if you drink vodka and have russian dressing in your refrigerator you are game for these people. >> tucker: what happened when they mentioned your wife. >> we started getting terrible threats. i got a message on phone said an tiff if a. we know you are out of town. we are going to burn your house down with your wife and children in it things have changed for my family dramatically. even though i left the trump campaign on june 2nd. i never heard anyone, not the least of which donald trump ever say russia when i was on that campaign. it's a fishing expedition. clearly designed to delay and stop the donald trump agenda. >> tucker: what role do you think russia did play, just as a citizen in the 2016 election? >> well, you know, i believe
that wikileaks -- i have always believed that wikileaks has had some connection to russia. it's not clear if they did this time. we didn't get a chance to look at the server, they wouldn't give the server to the fbi or homeland security. i always thought they were getting their materials in the past from russia. but, as a matter of fact it doesn't take co-for the trumcrumpcampaign to mess with elections. we mess with elections. of the funny thing is i was sent in 1994 to russia by the clinton administration to get involved in their election. >> tucker: seeking what outcome? >> the re-election of boris yeltsin. >> tucker: how did that work for russia the re-election of boris yeltsin. >> not very well. when i met him he was a lion but when he left he was a souse. >> tucker: you think it was likely that they were involved. >> i think it is likely the russian government was trying get involved in the american elections because
they get involved in the elections of all major elections just like we do. we may not hack, we may, i don't know, i can tell you as a fact as someone sent to russia to get involved in their elections, all the major opposition parties in russia were concerned about my work there and said i had to stop meddling in their election he is. that irony is not lost on me. >> tucker: you were sent by the u.s. government? >> by the clinton administration to get involved. i worked for the central election commission there trying to steer their election. and afterwards trying to help candidates. >> tucker: do you think that the russian government preferred candidate trump over candidate hillary clinton? >> i know they did. i mean, first of all, i have been told many times over by many people i know from russia and in russia that hillary was their candidate. the reason why is they didn't like her. they said she was a problem for them but she is predictable, totally predictable. donald trump they thought maybe was a better guy but he was totally unpredictable. it's a russian standard that you go with predictable every single time. >> tucker: of course. it's absolutely a wise
standard. >> and you know that they were going to defeat her on every front because they did it for eight years of obama. >> tucker: your contention -- you don't sound much of a putin fan. >> you know, i have got to tell you this. donald trump wants to have better relations with all nations. he wants to have better relations with russia. i'm not a big fan of putin. i have criticized him in the past. in the wages of "the washington post after my friend was murdered in 2004 on the streets of russia. on the streets of moscow. but donald trump and vladimir putin have an opportunity to change the way that we interact together. and we're ruining it with this bogus russian investigation. >> tucker: your friend was murdered you believe by the russians. putin had a hand in it. you are mad about it. how did you respond then when you saw a sitting member of congress refer to you at putin's image consultant? >> i don't think putin had anything to do with my friend's murder. i think the society there was responsible for it and it was putin's responsibility to stand up for media freedom. that was my point in 2004. when she called me putin's
image consultant, it was very clear to me that she has terrible inturns. she didn't do any searching. all she had to do was look what i said in the media, what i said in the press, i don't make it my business to insult vladimir putin or anybody else around the world. but my position on russia and on the kremlin is very clear. all you had to do was research it. instead, she went after me and my wife on live television and we have been enduring death threats and other threats ever since that was march 20th. >> >> tucker: real quick i want to flush that one second. what was the basis for that charge that you are putin's image. do you know why she said that. >> sound bites. tried to get on television. very important, very rare public appearance. >> tucker: you have never done his hair and makeup ever. >> no. i have done his manicure, of course. and someone has to wax his chest when he rides out horse. >> tucker: now you are getting dirty, my friend. >> jackie spear does not deserve to be in congress if she doesn't come back and apologize to my wife for what she did. she can say whatever she
wants about me. putin's imdamage consultant. maxine waters pedestriany guy. as far as i'm concerned you bring in family members and bring in my wife who became a citizen less than a month before, she owes us an apology. >> tucker: especially as ukrainian. michael, thank you very much for joining us. as you know, many on the left do not like the police, the surge in antipolice violence tone down the rhetoric. probably note. in a moment we are joined by a writer from i salon.com. who do you think is more open-minded religious or atheist people? that answer straight ahead. i ha. dad, one second i was driving and then the next... they just didn't stop and then... i'm really sorry. i wrecked the subaru. i wrecked it. you're ok. that's all that matters.
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♪ >> tucker: well, the recent surge in antipolice rhetoric has been matched. maybe not surprisingly with a corresponding surge in antipolice violence. that includes out recent death of nypd officer familia assassinated in her patrol car last month in the bronx. days after the shooting ran a piece entitled america is suffering from a plague of deadly and unaccountable racist police violence. the author of that police joins us tonight. lisa, thanks for coming on. >> hi, tucker, thanks for having me. >> tucker: so, i guess i have a more nuances for you on this. i think that there is behavior by police as there is by, you know, every sector of society that is impossible to excuse and it should be cracked down on. i guess i disapproved of in your piece was the general generalizations that you made that police as a group are racist and violent and i
wonder how you reach that conclusion. >> well, it is my piece. i never actually said that police are racist. what i talk about is police violence and the rate of police officers who kill civilians in recent years. if you look at the numbers, in 2015 and 2016, over 1,000 people have been shot and killed by police officers. those numbers don't lie. and this year over 500 people so far have been killed by police. so what i'm talking about is police violence that kills a lot of people and a lot of those people are unarmed or they don't pose a threat to officers. and those are alarmingly high numbers. so, in my piece, i never say that police are racist, but they can get violent very quickly as we have seen. >> tucker: right. i don't want to contradict you because you seem sincere. i don't know if you can see we have the headline of your piece right up on the screen next to you and i'm quoting america is suffering from a plague of deadly, unaccountable, and racist police violence.
a plague of it. that seems like a generalization now. i would agree with you completely, any shooting is too many shootings. but this is complicated stuff. and so to dismiss it as your piece did as racist, without proving that, seemed unfair and not really like journalism. >> well, if you look at the demographics of the people that are killed by police, disproportionately a number of them are black and brown people. black people are three times more likely to be killed by police than white people. and in a lot of cases, 69% of black people shot and killed by police are actually unarmed or they didn't pose a violent threat. so, in my piece, i show that police violent disproportionately effects the black and brown communities more so than other communities. >> tucker: okay. well, there are also much higher -- this is, again, a complex matter and much higher crime rates in those communities for who knows why, but there are. and so that may be a factor in this. but here are some numbers
that i think show just how complicated this. is there was a study a couple years ago of 2700 police shootings between 2013 and 2015. and i'm quoting now. found that the odds of a black suspect being killed by a black officer or consistently greater than the odds of a black suspect being killed by a white officer. it doesn't prove anything, necessarily. but it does maybe show that racism is isn't as simple in this context as you are making it sound. if a black suspect is more likely to be shot by a black cop, then what does that tell us about racism? >> i think what it dels us is we have to look at the system and not the individual police officers that are killing these people. systematically, the way police officers are trained, they're taught to go for violence first and a lot of states they don't tell police officers to resort to other means to subdue a
subject other than shooting and killing them. >> tucker: hold on, right. there are two different things whether nonlethal force ought to be used ought to be a question. white officers statistically less likely than black officers to kill black suspects. if all cops are being taught to be racist, why are black cops more likely to shoot black suspects? that doesn't really make much sense, does it? >> no. you are looking at it individually when it looks to be looked at. >> tucker: i'm just looking at the numbers. >> you have to look at it in as is systemic way when you look at the system that allows these police officers to commit these acts of violence and then they don't get held accountable for it we have seen time and again police officers getting off on killing another person, yanice shot and killed he was acquitted of all charges. >> tucker: i don't want to be mean but you are maybe dodging the point a little bit. some of the issues you are raising are valid issues.
i don't want anybody to commit brutality against anybody else. and i mean that but to charge that racism is at the core of this, without any evidence because you actually don't have any evidence at all, and there is some counter failing evidence makes people more fearful, makes them hate each other. makes our society way less happy and less trusting. so it's a big deal to charge something like that and don't you think you should pull back until you can prove it? i guess that's my point. >> well, i do think i do prove it in my piece because, if you look at the statistics and look at the data, police violence disproportionately affects black and brown bodies. and it always has. >> tucker: why are black cops more likely to shoot suspects than white cops are? how does that fit into your racism package? >> as police officers they are part of the police system in this country that no matter what race you are, you still are taught the same tactics. >> tucker: why are they more likely? again, i just want you to open your mind a little bit.
this isn't college. just like look at the facts and then draw your conclusions from those. and sometimes you know you reach a point i'm not exactly sure what's going on. it's not as simple as my professors told me it was. that's all i'm hoping you conclude. >> i think you are missing a point a little bit about what i was trying to get at in my article and about the seriousness of police violence and why we need to address it in a meaningful way. >> tucker: i'm with you in some ways on that, the race stuff is wrong. thank you for joining us. i appreciate it. >> thank you. >> tucker: atheists have long believed in their own open-mindedness, you mind call it an article of faith. are they actually tolerant? this question has been studied and we have got the results next. i take pictures of sunrises,
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fundamental approach flawed. i think there is one question that can show you what's wrong with the fundamental approach to this study, and it's this. are you closed minded if you refuse to seriously entertain or to spread fake news? and by that i mean a media-driven narrative for which nobody has provided any evidence? i would say no and, yet, the notion of closed mindedness at the foundation of this study is essentially the same as that. >> tucker: interesting. flesh that out a little bit. how do you think this study is flawed on its most basic level? >> so, one of the things that the study classifies as close mindedness is a reluctance to come up with arguments against your particular position. so, they ask you to take a position on three different questions. they are really kind of odd questions that have to deal with whether you think homes should be painted a light color. whether you think that it benefits society to have
homosexuals, you know, adopt children, and the third one was whether you think that the meaning of life is a personal question. so, a bunch of random questions. but they ask you to take a position and then they say come up with a bunch of arguments against the position that you took and then they say that they want you to tell them whether they find that persuasive, whether you find that persuasive. so, in order to be not closed-minded, according to this study, you have to come up with a bunch of arguments against your view and you need to say that you find those arguments persuasive. it's not a situation in which you are presented for evidence against your view and have you refused to consider that evidence and then, therefore, you are closed minded. it's asking you to come up with the argument. >> tucker: thank you for explaining that. that's really interesting. i think the study is more valid than i did before. >> okay, why? >> tucker: that is the acid test. that's the position of empathy. can you put yourself in the
position of someone though ho disagrees with you and can you mount a valid or reasonable argument against yourself and see its strength? and if you can't do that the question is why. that is because you can't imagine that decent people disagree with you. >> in the study, tucker, they would deem you closed minded if you continued to find the arguments for your side more persuasive than the arguments for the other side. so, i agree that it's very valuable in society and, in fact, i think one of the reasons that a lot of the violence is breaking out on campus, for example, is the inability of people to understand arguments against their own views. >> tucker: exactly. i agree with that. >> right? and there are studies that say they don't teach critical thinking. critical thinking the ability to think about arguments against your view is good. but then to be asked to evaluate those as persuasive and so say if you don't think those arguments against your view are persuasive makes you closed
minded. i don't think that's valid. >> tucker: i disagree with you but i think you are making a smart point. but, how about just the reality that we see every day? i don't notice christian groups suing to shut down atheist groups because they don't. but i do see a lot of your group trying to -- >> i'm not saying, you know, that there are not militant atheists, right? there are militant atheists. i don't happen to be one of them. we can talk about why atheists become militant more in the united states than europe the focus of this study. here in the united states the atheists are rebelling against their parents, so to speak. i think they are more militant but, you know, in this particular study, they are saying that you are closed minded if you, having taken a certain position, having found the most persuasive position don't find pervasive being the view. there is one other aspect of the study. >> tucker: may i ask you a
broader question? >> sure. >> tucker: if you are a sincere christian and most don't live up to this. if this is the ideal, you are commanded to love those who persecute you. not just the ones that disagree with you, the ones trying to hurt you. there is no such requirement, of course, in atheism. who is a more open-minded person, the person actively seeking to love someone who late them or someone who is not? >> sure. but then the question is sort of that open minded ines esm value as well. two critiques of this study is that it defines that atheists are going to automatically come out as closed minded. it's because of the issue we just talked about having to come up with arguments against your view when you don't believe there is evidence against your view. there is that the second issue is that it evaluates you according to your willingness to entertain
contradictions. contradictions into our own thinking. the refusal to interdict contradictions into your own thinking is parts of logic. from that standpoint i would say yes, atheists are probably more likely to follow the amiable of logic. >> tucker: i don't believe that i have to admit you seem like a pretty logical atheist. >> i am. i have been a lifelong atheists. >> tucker: i hope you switch. it's did depressing in the end. thank you for joining us tonight. >> thank you for having me. >> tucker: sarsour. called on to assimilate. the democratic party line nices her. she is a hoe. she is the most reasonable muslim they can find? come on now. more on that next. new feature on tonight's show news quiz. we have the questions. will our anchors peter doocy and elizabeth pla prann?
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tuck tucker one of the big winners in this brave new political environment is linda sarsour. she is a left wing activist. she is now the face of muslim identity politics in america. of course, the democratic party loves her. but what does she actually believe? assess it for yourself. >> i will respect the presidency but i will not respect this president. >> our number one top priority is to protect and defend our communities. it is not to assimilate and to please any other people in authority. >> i hope that we, when we stand up to those who oppress our communities, that assess from us as a form of jihad that we are struggling against tyrants and rulers, not only abroad and middle east and other side of the world but here in these united states of america where have you fascists and white supremacists and islamophobes reigning in the white house.
>> tucker: arguing against assimilation. why can't democrats find a muslim mascot who is not a total extremist who probably could if they tried. heat street joins us tonight for more on this linda sarsour person. thanks for coming on. >> thank you, tucker. >> tucker: who is she exactly and is it fair to call her extremist. >> no. absolutely. linda sarsour is-makes muslims in the middle east look moderate. she is an extremist if the fact that she believes in sharia law. she recently used the word jihad to explain her personal inner war with the president. she is absolutely an extremist. she has taken a leadership position in the so-called leftist resistance to president trump. and she certainly is outside the mainstream of american ideals and i would even say the average american muslim ideals. >> tucker: is she for sharia
law for sure but that seems like it would set her at odds with mainstream feminism which is at least purports about empowering women. sharia law is a non-western code that really sir couple describes their choices. so how does that work? how are feminists for sharia law? >> absolutely. i mean leftist feminist definitely have a difficult balancing acts to play here. i think they really like having a token minority and when she starts speaking about what sharia law is, they kind of just turn off their ears and, yet, but then they can say well, we have this woman given us access and so grade great. don't actually listen to what means to live in a country that has sharia law. >> tucker: yeah. seems like most feminist would be adamantly against that. is it fair to say that she has ties to mainstream democratic politicians. elected democrats. >> absolutely. not a single mainstream democratic politician has certainly denounced her.
she was one of the people at the front of the so-called women's march after trump was inaugurated. she has taken stage with several different democratic politicians. and she certainly has been edge braced by mainstream democrats. this is not a fringe figure even though they're beliefs are certainly fringe. >> tucker: where is she on israel? >> not a fan. she is a palestinian absolutist. i would be surprise surprised ie believes israel has a right to exist, tucker. >> tucker: does anybody say this in the democratic? it used to be like 18 months ago someone like this would get some push back in the democratic party. does she? >> right, slulg. absolutely. i think everyone that would criticize linda sarsour has been driven out of the democratic party. democrats have a hard time losing elections. what i don't understand and you mentioned earlier there are millions of muslim americans in this country that are good people, tucker. people who have assimilated. people who go to school and
have normal jobs, who don't preach sharia law. and i don't understand why democrats don't talk to one of these people to kind of talk about islam. >> tucker: you would think. >> you would. >> tucker: they have gotten extreme. joe, thanks a lot for that. >> thanks, tucker. >> tucker: up next, are you smarter than a news reporter? that sounds like a rhetorical question and an obvious one. of course you are. we'll find out in just minutes though for certain. our final exam. that's where fox news peter doocy and elizabeth prann get quizzed on this week's top news story. stay tuned. whoa! you're not taking these. hey, hey, hey! you're not taking those. whoa, whoa! you're not taking that. come with me. you're not taking that. you're not taking that. you're not taking that. mom, i'm taking the subaru. don't be late. even when we're not there to keep them safe, our subaru outback will be.
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going to ask our contestants questions about this week's current events torn from the headlines and find out what they know. joining us our very first contestants. save the tape from tonight fox news elizabeth prann and peter doocy. >> bring it on. >> i'm not taking my finger off. >> tucker: thought of in the shower one morning but think it's going to work. >> it's my nightmare. >> if i get one. >> tucker: i think you are going to do great. here are the rules. i'm going to ask the question. >> okay. >> tucker: the first one to buzz in on our specially made police buzzers. if you get it wrong you lose a point. best of five win. are you ready? >> five? >> tucker: best of five. here's the first question. state officials in nevada, sometimes called nevada, this week announced a state of emergency when stores there sold out of, what? [bell] >> tucker: elizabeth? >> pot. >> tucker: marijuana, weed. okay. we are going to go to the tape and see if you are right. >> marijuana dispensaries
are running out of pot. the governor has declared a state of emergency. a surge in sales there has left a lot of shelves empty. >> tucker: somebody watches "special report." i'm telling bret baier. is he going to be flattered. >> interesting. >> i'm not going to tell you what. >> tucker: you think there may have been thin which he -- e this week announced that the city of los angeles would soon host the summer games. when was the last time l.a. hosted the olympics? was it 1980? was it 1984, was it 1988? belle. >> 1984. >> tucker: 1984. >> how do you know that? >> it was before i was born but i feel like i have seen a sweatshirt. >> tucker: we will see if you are right. >> you are definitely right. >> it was the l.a. summer games of '84 that electrified the country. the torch was hit at the l.a. coliseum but it was
carl lewis who sat the crowd on fire. >> tucker: i'm impressed 1984 to you was like the first world war to me. it was like prehistory. >> i feel i hear a lot about is that the one bruce jenner was in? >> i'm not going there. >> last month president trump invited recently retired quarterback to play golf with him. this week that quarterback said that people pressured him not to accept the offer. but he felt like taking a pass on it would be, quote, unamerican. who was that? >> peyton manning. >> tucker: peyton manning says elizabeth plan. >> you know, i have had a chance to play with president bush before. if president obama or president clinton asked me, i would be there in a heart beat. it was just the experience of playing with the office that was pretty cool with me. i think it would have been almost unamerican to have said no. >> only because of the espies is why i knew. >> tucker: i'm impressed elizabeth prann. >> i lowered the bar. i'm good tapping out. >> tucker: this week one of
the largest icebergs ever recorded broke off from the antarctica peninsula. it was enormous, scientists say it weigh as thousand tons. size of what state? maine, island or delaware? >> delaware. >> tucker: delaware? >> one of my joe biden google alerts. >> tucker: aka first tape we see on the tape. >> a massive chunk of ice separating into the ocean said to be the size of delaware. >> tucker: peter doocy, ladies and gentlemen. wins the geography quiz. down to the final question. it's 2 to 2. >> okay. >> tucker: technician working at corpus criminals city bank in texas yesterday had to be rescued by police after he accidently locked himself inside what for two hours? >> the atm machine. >> how did you know that? >> tucker: could be the vault. hear the tape. >> we can hear the voice coming from the machine. never see this again in your
life to have somebody stuck inside the atm machine. >> tucker: unbelievable. >> because that is the craziest story. people were going to the atm and this man was inside sending them notes that just said help, i'm stuck in the atm. let me out. >> tucker: world's smallest repairman. >> what would you think if you got that note. credit card and skim it and leave. >> tucker: i would think it was an inside job. ha! final exam first test 3-2 you know that breaks -- congratulations. >> thank you. thank you for having me. >> tucker: so how did you do? we can't hear you, unfortunately. but follow the news closely for next week. we have another final exam coming up friday. after, this republicans have run basically everything in washington for seven months. what have been the results? we have got an update on that coming up.
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find their children, how to keep a roof over their head, clothes on their back, food on the table, care for an ailing parent. and we're in here wasting time. with that, i'll just yield the balance of my time. if there's anything that you think you need to add or that you were cut off and not had the time to add to this discussion, i'll give the balance of my time to mr. strzok to do that. >> sir, i appreciate that offer. i'm struck listening to your statements and i know the history of the fbi. i certainly want the fbi to be something that you immediately leap to the defense of and i think that's something we're working very hard to become. i appreciate the offer and thank you. >> when it comes to the fbi, i asked years ago to have a hearing on the fact that we don't know or track how many
crimes are committed by fbi informants. we haven't had that hearing. but we spent time on fast and furious because we were putting guns, introducing guns into the hands of criminals.
>> the time has expired. >> then we know that where there's smoke, there's fire. and we ought to allow the process to play out. with that, i vesurrender the remainder of my time. >> the time of the gentleman has expired. the gentleman from florida mr. ross is recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, gentlemen. mr. strzok, i thank you for being here. you're the reason we're here and actions by you are the reason we are here. i know that my colleague from pennsylvania, representative marino had shown you this handbook on ethics for on and off duty conduct issued by the department of justice. principle 9 says employees shall protect and conserve federal
property and not use it for other than authorized activities. as my colleague congressman nor t noron the pointed out, anything on your phone belongs to the public. would you agree? it's federal property? >> yes. >> according to principle 9 should not be used for anything other than authorized activities. that being said, did you use it for anything other than fbi activities? >> the fbi allows the use of phones for personal diminimus use. >> you testified today that what you texted was considered political free speech. your opinions were political free speech. and do you feel that your use of
a federally authorized, federally owned cell phone protects your right of exercising your political free speech? >> look -- >> yes or no? >> i think it was bad jumtdgmen. >> let's say you took a federal car. >> i believe it is protected speech. >> the same way the protected speech would be then if you used your federal vehicle and put a hillary clinton sticker on it. >> if you read the ethics guidelines -- may i answer your question? >> please. >> that the use of or display of any bumper sticker -- believe me after this started i have gone through the ethics guidelines. placing a political bumper sticker on a bureau government car, any government car is expressly prohibited. to the contrary, expression, publicly or privately of personal political belief is encouraged. >> i would encourage you, sir --
>> to read the -- >> allow the witness to answer the question, mr. chairman. >> the witness did answer the question. the gentleman from florida controls the time. >> the fbi ethics integrity program policy, fbi code of conduct states that employees shall conduct their personal activities in a manner that does not impede their performance or tarnish the reputation of the fbi. do you agree with that? >> do i. >> you have blamed the media, the washington community, the president, everybody. you say it's just not you. so my question is do you believe in any way that your personal texts done on federal property have in any way tarnished the reputation of the fbi. >> sir, i take responsibility for sending those texts. those texts have caused as i've said now an immense amount of damage. >> has it tarnished the
reputation of the fbi? >> yes, sir. >> it has, hasn't it? >> yes. >> to take it even further on page four of the ethics handbook it states -- >> while you're looking for that reference, i would tell you -- >> the time is controlled by the gentleman from florida. >> the state department has defined disgraceful conduct as conduct which if it were to become widely known would embarrass the perpetrator and the united states. my concern is we've seen little or no remorse here other than saying i wish i'd never sent those texts out. in fact, as an elected member of congress i have an obligation to make sure that we maintain the quality of trust in our government and after today, i understand why the federal government has such a low level of trust for the american people. my question to you is, having now been here, how do we reinstate that trust to the american people? >> sir, a couple of answers to
several things. first, i don't think the american people have lost faith and confidence in the fbi at all. what the fbi does -- you're wrong, sir. i know. i have spoken to agents in 56 field offices. i know the work they do day in and day out. whatever it's convenient to say here or on some news clip is absolutely not what exists. second, sir, i would tell you -- and i don't know where you're saying i'm not sorry. i have said and i will tell you again sir -- if i may respond to your question, i am deeply regretful for those texts. i wrote them. i know it. i know what has been done with them. at the same time, i will tell you, sir, the fbi -- there is an expectation that those texts are private. the bureau allows me or any fbi employee to text my priest, to text my doctor. >> knowing that they're -- >> the time of the gentleman has expired. >> there is an expectation those are not going to be made public. i had no idea this was going to
happen. and darn if i knew, i never would have done it for sure. >> the time as expired. the chair recognizes the gentleman from california for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chair. let me start by saying this is a stupid and ridiculous hearing for at least two reasons. the judiciary committee has jurisdiction over immigration. it's july 12th, 2018. as we sit here today there are nearly 3,000 babies and kids ripped away from their parnlent of the trump administration and we're not doing a hearing on that. we're doing a hearing into the investigation of hillary clinton's e-mails in 2016. that's just dumb. second, before this hearing today my republican colleagues could not point to a single act you took in an official capacity that showed bias in any of these official investigations. now, more than eight hours later, they still can't point to a single official act you took
that showed bias in these investigations. there's a famous book i read called "all i really need to know i learned in kindergarten." based on today's circus, i hope more members on this committee read that book. there's one thing all of us are taught in kindergarten, which is that actions speak louder than words. your words show that you did not like trump. you used the f-word referring to trump. you wanted donald trump to lose. the one thing you could have done to cause him to lose is disclose the russia investigation in july of 2016. did you do that? >> i did not. >> did you disclose an investigation in august? >> no. >> september? >> no. >> october? >> no. >> november? >> no. >> what you did is what we expect every fbi agent to do which is to check their personal beliefs at the door and do your job and that's what you did. you also showed by your words that you wanted hillary clinton to win, but yet the i.g.
investigation found that you advocated for more aggressive investigative measures into the clinton investigation, including the use of grand jury subpoenas and search warrants. is that true? >> yes. >> you did that because you checked your political beliefs at the door. when you did your duty, you applied the law to the facts. th i'm a former prosecutor. there were defendants i despised. there were defendants i was okay with. but it didn't matter. all that mattered was could we prove a charge beyond a reasonable doubt. if we could, we went forward. if we couldn't, we did not go forward. that's what we expect everybody to do. now, there has been some allegations by one of my colleagues today about political donations and that that might show bias. let's talk about fbi director christopher wray, a republican,
nominated by a republican president, confirmed by a republican controlled senate. i'm going to ask you to accept for purposes of this question the following fact, that he gave over $39,000 in political donations exclusively to republican candidates. i still trust fbi director wray to do his job, because i expect him to check his personal beliefs at the door and do his job when he's on duty. do you still trust fbi director wray? >> implicitly. >> jeff sessions made contributions to the republican party. i still trust if there's a democrat or a republican or an independent that attorney general jeff sessions could look at the facts and the law and apply it in a fair and unbiassed manner. do you still trust him to do that even though he made political contributions to the alabama republican party? >> i don't know him but he's
taken an oath as the attorney general and i trust him to discharge that. >> thank you. let me conclude by saying this. we're going to know at some point what the robert mueller investigation found. we already know about the hillary clinton e-mails, because there's been an exhaustive investigation into that, plus this i.g. report. and what we're seeing now is an attack on law enforcement. when i was prosecuting cases, i know when defendants don't have the facts and evidence on their side, they resort to attacking law enforcement. that's what we see happening now. i just thought i'd end on a quote from sarah huckabee sanders, who said basically when you're attacking the fbi, you're losing. i yield back. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from north carolina, mr. walker, for five minutes. >> thank you plrkmr. chairman.
mr. strzok you have mentioned over 30 times about your personal beliefs when it comes to your texts and that was just your opinion. one of the texts you said, we will stop it, referencing the trump campaign. that's not a personal belief text. that's a plan of action. who's the we in that text? >> sir, i disagree. the we, as i have state and the reason i'm stating it so many times is i've been asked at least twice as many times. i don't recall that text. when i look at the context of it in the middle of the night, i can tell you i am certain it is not a suggestion that me or the fbi take any action. i can also assure you -- >> if i could reclaim my time. >> under oath, there was no plan of action. >> yes. well, my eighth grade english teacher used to teach me that stop was an action verb. i believe it certainly sound it. let me get away from the content of the text, the as despicable as they were. let's talk about the volume of
texts if we could, please. 50,000 texts over this time frame. is that the number that you understand? >> that is a number i've heard. >> several hundred pages, 400 pages, about 50,000 texts which is amazing. i'm hoping you and the agency at least had the unlimited data plan because of the great amount of volume. you even testified today under oath there's many more on your personal phone. sometimes 100 texts a day while you're supposed to be doing your job. on friday june 10th, 2016, there were 73 exchanged texts. this did you leave your desk to send these 73 plus texts on a single day? >> i do not recall where i was when i sent those texts. if you look at those texts, the huge majority of them are in
fact related to work and administrative things. >> there may be a lot, but there's a whole lot more. i don't get to text with my friends and family sometimes until i finish my work in the day. you had enough time -- 50,000 texts. >> sir, of which the bulk -- >> james comey has talked about how the mid year investigative team was the a-team, spending every waking moment to complete the investigation. how does this statement square with the amount of time you seem to spend texting lisa paige on working days? >> the majority of those texts were work related matters. of the many, many thing i've been accused of, some of which are true and horrible, one of them is not being lazy. i can assure you those texts represent work and work that was going on frequently from 5:00 in the morning until 11:00 at
night. >> you're talking 600 to 700 per week, so don't give me these were all work related texts. this is an integrity issue. that's part of the problem here. we talked about the text. you're right, they weren't all on official time, like making fun of the trump people at the walmart. you're right, some of those were in your spare time. but i believe there is a credibility issue and that's probably one of the reasons that mr. mueller decided to take you off this particular case. i believe you cannot sit there and tell us as you testified earlier today you didn't know for sure why he did, but i believe it's pretty obvious to the american people that you have so discredited the fbi that you were removed from this case. i yield the balance of my time. >> may i respond? >> the time is controlled by the gentleman from ohio. >> allow the gentleman to answer the question. >> at the conclusion of his
time, the gentleman will be allowed to briefly answer anything that was left unanswered by mr. walker. mr. jordan now controlled the time. >> agent strzok, i want to go back to right before the votes. you said when i was asked you about documents received by the fbi from mr. orr, you said you did not personally receive documents but the fbi did. >> that is correct. >> you said the fbi got documents from a different source in september. >> it was not mr. orr. >> mr. orr did not hand you the dossier? >> mr. orr didn't hand me anything. he provided information to the fbi that included material that is what everybody is calling the dossier. >> say that sentence again. mr. orr provided what? >> some elements of reporting that my understanding is originated from mr. steele. >> so bruce orr did give the fbi information relative to the dossier? >> yes.
>> and another source also in mid september gave you personally information -- >> no. >> you, the fbi, information relative to the dossier? >> i never personally received dossier information. the fbi in mid september, the first time i'm aware of the fbi having that information, the first time i saw it was in mid september. my understanding was that came into the fbi. that's when i became aware of it and when i first read it. bruce orr gave the fbi documents relating to or part of the dossier, is that accurate? >> mr. orr gave the fbi documents which i believe included material from mr. steele. >> the gentleman may briefly answer the question that the gentleman felt he didn't have an opportunity to answer with mr. walker. >> yes, sir. thank you. when you bring up an integrity issue -- it's interesting, you and the gentleman from texas raised this in a way that almost
approaches -- it is insulting. >> the gentleman may answer the question. >> i'm saying i am here under oath. i am not lying. i have never lied under oath and i never will. the insinuation -- not even the insinuation, the direct comment that you somehow say you have an integrity issue is insulting. i take offense. it is incorrect. nothing i have said -- >> i never mentioned your personal life. i just simply said the amount of time you were spending on the taxpayers dollar wasting it texting back and forth is a problem. >> i'm saying -- >> and the gentleman has already answered that question. so the gentleman from maryland mr. raskin is recognized. >> we have 2500 kids in america separated from their families. no hearings from judiciary or oversight. thousands of people slain in gun violence from parkland to las vegas to san bernardino county. no hearings on the universal background check favored by 97% of the people. the president has plunged us
into trade wars. he's insulting and taunting our democratic allies around the world. he's flattering autocrats and clep cleptocrats around the world. but our colleagues don't want to do any hearings on any of the chaos that's been set loose in the land. no. mr. strzok, the gop wants to talk about your personal texts, two or three out of more than 50,000 that we've seen. the purpose of course is to derail and discredit the investigation by the special counsel that has obtained 19 indictments and five criminal convictions of people like flynn and gates and pop pates and pdo on. they say you were at the heart of a deep state conspiracy to oppose donald trump. to make this claim, they've got
to ignore the fact that you were an equal opportunity insulter of people. you called bernie sanders an idiot. that's not very nice but there's a first amendment here in america and you can still insult government officials without being thrown into jail. there are no kings here. we have freedom of speech, the right that is cherished by the people and feared only by tyrants. but my colleagues have insisted on making a conspiracy theory out of your pillow talk texts. there are a couple facts they can't get around. number one, the i.g. found no partisan bias affecting the investigation. number two, attorney general sessions is a republican appointed by donald trump. rose rosenstein is a republican appointed by donald trump. james comey is a republican appointed by donald trump. fbi director wray is a republican appointed by donald
trump. and robert mueller is a lifelong republican. so this would have to be a republican conspiracy. so i'm looking for evidence of the republican conspiracy. and all i could find were the kind of statements you've been arraigned on today. i want to ask you about those statements. in the spring of 2016, senator ted cruz called donald trump a, quote, sniveling coward, a pathological liar and a serial fi philanderer. was this part of a deep state conspiracy that you organized? >> no. >> on april 8th, 2016, senator marco rubio said donald trump was unworthy being our president. was this attack part of a deep state conspiracy that you organized? >> no. >> in october of 2016 speaker paul ryan said i am not going to defend donald trump, not now, not in the future. was this fleeting outburst of moral courage part of a deep state conspiracy that you organized? >> no. >> rex tillerson called donald
trump a moron. scott pruitt said he's an empty vessel. steve bannon said he's like an 11-year-old child. mcmaster referred to donald trump as a dope and an idiot. karl rove called him a complete idiot. duncan hunter said he's an a-hole, but he's our a-hole. gary cohen sent out an e-mail describing donald trump as an idiot surrounded by clowns. were all of these negative characterizations of donald trump part of a deep state conspiracy you organized? >> no. >> now, although this conspiracy does appear to be overwhelmingly republicans, balance compels me to ask about my hero bruce springsteen. he's a democrat and he said the republic is under siege by a moron.
did you tell him to say that? >> no. >> was it part of a deep state conspiracy to criticize the president? >> no. >> mr. strzok, this hearing has been a circus and a kangaroo court run in banana republican fashion. i believe that some of my colleagues have disgraced themselves today main their attk on the fbi and the justice system of america. how can we recover from the hole that has been dug here today? >> sir, america is strong. however bad i think i've seen it in my life, i am confident that the institutions of the american people will endure and be great. i have full faith in the united states and all the men and women and even in times of trial and tribulation, i have every confidence that we will emerge as great as we've ever been.
>> i'm with you. thank you for your service to america. >> yes, sir. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from florida mr. gates for five minutes. >> you've said repeatedly today that you were not biassed but bob mueller kicked you off his team as a consequence of your bias. >> i wouldn't agree with that characterization. my understanding was that it was the potential appearance that he wanted to avoid. >> did bob mueller say i'm not firing you from this team from your bias? >> he did not. >> what is your basis that it's the appearance of your bias rather than your actual bias? >> i think his experience both with me, my work and the reputation of others about me and my work that he knows that i am an individual who follows the facts where they lay. >> so your testimony today that you were removed not for bias but for the appearance of bias is based on your perception of robert mueller's perception of you? >> no, sir. i'm saying what i would think
the logical case -- >> let's ask it simply. did robert mueller ever ask you if you were biassed against trump? >> he did not. >> so he didn't ask you when he hired you? >> no. that question is not typically a question that gets asked during hiring meetings in the u.s. government. >> one would seemingly think that if you were hiring someone to investigate something, you might ask. when you were removed, was it clear to you that mr. mueller was aware of these text messages? >> yes. >> he knew of the text messages but never asked you whether you were biassed or not? >> that is correct. >> your girlfriend texted you on the 8th of august, trump's not ever going to be president, right? do you recall your reply? >> i do recall my reply. if i hadn't, it's been refreshed to my recollection no less than four or five times today. >> what was it?
>> i'm sure you have it. but essentially no he's not we'll stop it. >> did bob mueller ask you about that text message? >> he did not. >> about a week later on august 15th you sent a text message regarding a meeting in andy mccabe's office, is that right? >> i don't know the date. i do believe i know the text message. >> did bob mueller ever ask you what happened in the meeting in andrew mccabe's office? >> there are many meetings -- >> did bob mueller ask you about any of them? >> he did not. >> did bob mueller ask you what you meant by an insurance policy? >> director mueller did not. >> on the 26th of july, this is contemporaneous with the opening of the trump russia investigation, your girlfriend texted you clinton has to win now. and you reply a few days later, damn, this feels momentous
because this matters. the other one did too but that was to ensure we didn't f something up. this matters because this matters. so super glad to be on this voyage with you. did bob mueller ask you why this matters? >> if you're asking why it matters it was a comparison between a case about -- >> i've seen you -- but that is not what i'm asking you. i want to know if bob mueller asked you about this text message? >> director mueller did not ask me about any text message, congressman. >> just days after mueller's appointed in two text messages you reference impeachment. did bob mueller ask you why you were referencing impeachment? >> congressman, as i just stated,director mueller did not ask me about any text message. >> i find that very interesting, that bob mueller has to remove you as a consequence of bias. now you don't say it's bias. you say based on your perception of bob mueller's per sengs of
you, it couldn't possibly be your bias. bob mueller doesn't ask you about a single one of them. then i look at other people bob mueller picked on his team, people like lisa paige. i'm curious to know if he asked her about any of her incendiary text messages. throughout the team you've got people working for bob mueller who have active connections to hillary clinton. greg anders donated to the clinton campaign, kyle freiny. james corals donated to the clinton campaign. andrew weissman, the number two for mueller, attended hillary clinton's election night party. aaron zelby represented justin
cooper who set up hillary clinton's private e-mail server. then it's you and ms. paige. it's really interesting to me that when you were so damaging to the investigation that you had to go, that bob mueller, the person who brought in all these people that had connections to hillary clinton's campaign did not ask you about a single text message. i tend to believe that it's because he did not want to know the answer and that there was bias and that your perception of bob mueller's perception of you is totally unreliable and i yield back. >> the chair recognizes the gentlewoman from florida, ms. dennings for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. strzok, let me clear this up right now. i am not angry and i am not desperate and i am not afraid of the truth, but i am in pursuit of it. first of all, i want to thank you for your service to our
country through the federal bureau of investigations. each of us as members of congress took an oath to uphold and defend the constitution of the united states. my oath as a member of congress was not the first oath i took. it was the third oath. for i served as a law enforcement officer for 27 years. and like the moi yemployees of fbi and the department of justice, i swore to protect this country and to remember uphold the rule of law. we have now wasted countless hours of our very limited and precious time chasing these phantoms, wasting both the
witness's time and our own. the inspector general's report must have been a very big disappointment to the president and to my colleagues on the other side of the aisle. let me say this. law enforcement officers -- and you said it earlier, mr. strzok, not only do they have political opinions, but they are encouraged to have them. as the chief of police, i encouraged them to have them and express them. but their expression never interfered with their ability to conduct their job. perhaps congress could learn something from members of the law enforcement community, because my colleagues on the other side of the aisle allow political bias to influence
their judgment every day and perhaps they should read and all members of congress should read the ethics manual for congress. the i.g. report said, and i quote, we found no evidence that the conclusions by department prosecutors were affected by bias or other improper considerations, unquote. president trump's and his enablers conspiracy theory about the department of justice and the fbi have been investigated. and after hours today, they have still been debunked. the president's own campaign manager is currently sitting in jail, awaiting trial on multiple charges. and there is enough evidence as we've already seen that resulted
in five guilty mpleas. the truth hurts, but no matter how you hate it and how much it hurts, it's not going away. that's the real story here. and we need to keep our eyes on the ball and not chase ghosts through the halls of the department of justice while letting the important work of both of these committees go undone. but since we're here, mr. strzok, i want to get your reaction to the president's tweet on december 3rd, 2017. after years of comey with the phony and dishonest running the fbi, the reputation in tatters. but fear not, we will bring it back. mr. strzok, do you agree that the fbi's reputation is in tatters and is the worst in history? >> not at all. >> do you agree with the characterization that the clinton investigation was phony
and dishonest? >> no. >> were you the sole decisionmaker on this case? >> no. >> in your opinion, what kind of impact do statements like this, because i do care about how it infects the law enforcement community, apparently my friends on the other side of the aisle i never thought as a law enforcement officer i'd ever have to defend the department of justice from my republican colleagues on the other side of the aisle. what kind of effect do these kind of statements have on the morale of the good men and women who do a tough job every day. >> i think they have a significant impact on the morale of the men and women of the fbi. i would tell you that regardless of what is going on swirling around them that the agents and analysts and others that i work with are focused on the job and their mission. there's a lot swirling around. the agents focus on that and do their job. but inevitably the perception
and the things that are being said are heard and are damaging because people know they're simply not true. they're not helpful, but i have every faith and confidence in the fbi, in the agents of the fbi and what we do every single day. >> thank you. >> the time of the gentlewoman has expired. >> i know. i yield back. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from georgia for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i'd like to discuss a little bit the weiner laptop discovery. you have explained there was a significant delay from the time that information was discovered in which hundreds of thousands of e-mails were discovered potentially pertinent to the hillary clinton e-mail investigation. there was a delay there and you have explained in the past that the delay was caused simply because you were too busy. what were you doing during october of 2016 that caused you
to be so busy? >> i wouldn't call it a significant delay. i don't think it was caused because i was too busy. the answer to your question, in the fall of 2016, i was a deputy assistant director of the counter intelligence division. >> you explained that you were -- >> i was trying to explain what i was doing. i was busy overseeing thousands of cases. every espionage case in the fbi, every economic espionage case in the fbi. >> were you involved -- >> you asked a question. may i answer it? >> i'm going to reclaim my time. were you involved in the russia investigation at that time as well? >> aspects of that were one of the many things -- >> so you were involved with it. horowitz expressed concern that so many people were assigned to the russia investigation. who made that decision for people from the mid year team to go to the russian investigation? >> i was deputy assistant
director of the counter intelligence division. i'm the number two. if there's something large going on in c.i., chances are i'm going to have a role in it. the decision to assign me was certainly made absolutely by my boss. >> okay. how many other people went to the russian case? >> sir, i can't get into the specific numbers. i can tell you of the senior managers, sefrveral of the seni managers were involved. but the inspector general doesn't appreciate the staffing and the context of the level of the people involved in those cases. >> did the doj question the overlap of personnel between the two cases? >> not that i'm aware of. >> at the end of october, you were finally brought to the point to pursue the laptop information and to make it public days before the election. did your involvement at that time with the russian election interference cease when the
clinton e-mail case was reopened? >> no. >> so you continued working on the russian case while also leading the reopened hillary clinton case. >> a colleague of mine, a colead and i were bringing the team back together. >> just the month before -- >> sir, if i may because it's important. at that time i'm a deputy assistant director. when you talk about the case, you have multiple layers of people below doing that work. >> i understand that. a month before you told the ig that your russia workload prevented you from addressing the issue on the laptop discovery. >> that's not what i said, sir. that's not what i said. >> days before the election you're investigating two key investigations and a time lapse of nearly a month goes by where there are hundreds of thousands of e-mails directly related to
the e-mail of hillary clinton and her campaign ignored until days before the election and only when the new york group demands -- let me ask you this. were any of your superiors concerned of the overlap, that water was going under the bridge? >> no. my recollection is that all of us were concerned about the volume of material that we had on our plates from a national security perspective. >> -- that you had not reviewed the laptop before october 30th -- >> that's inaccurate. you're misrepresenting. >> this was in the i.g. report. mccabe said he was surprised that you had not reviewed the laptop information. james baker, general counsel, said it was his understanding that that information was being handled. james comey felt that the entire credibility of the bureau rested on that case. what gets me -- how is it
possible that you could handle both of these cases, perhaps two of the most important cases in the history of this country, at least in recent history, how in the name of justice does the fbi allow someone so biassed as yourself to lead these two investigations at the same time where both end up being compromised, both tainted, justice apparently not happening in either case. you deliberately from all appearance delayed checking into hillary clinton e-mails on the weiner laptop until after the election or as close thereof. it's just corruption through and through. mr. chairman, i yield back. >> may i respond? >> briefly since it wasn't pose today you as a question. >> sir, briefly, nothing was compromised in those investigations. there are a team of folks above and below me involved.
i was the number two in the counter intelligence division. if it was important, i had a role in the oversight of it. there were people below mow me, who were working on this. t there are many things that you said about the i.g.'s report that were absolutely misrepresentations. the response and the facts within the report is that within hours of hearing from new york that there was potential material relevant, i had assigned subordinate supervisors, attorneys and others to look into it, which they did within hours. as a result, less than a day after finding out about it, i set into motion a team who had nothing to do with the russia investigations to pursue that investigation. they came back and said, new york's still working on it. my assumption from there was that -- >> it's your representation of the i.g. report that's inaccurate. >> the time of the gentleman has expired. the chair recognizes the gentleman from arizona. >> mr. strzok, are you familiar
with the fbi domestic investigation and operations guide? >> yes, sir. >> now, this is a policy manual that sets forth the rules you are to follow in deciding to pursue an investigation, correct? >> yes, sir. >> and you agree that the diog guidelines applied to your investigation of president trump and the 2016 election, correct? >> yes, sir. >> they believe's true. i don't know the site. >> but you're a waware of that? >> yes. >> you no doubt are aware the doj issues investigation guidance instructions, correct? >> yes. >> now, specifically doj guidance dated march 9th, 2012
states that federal, quote, employees are entrusted with the authority to enforce the laws of the united states and with responsibility to do so in a neutral and impartial manner. this is particularly important in an election year, end of quote. are you aware of this guidance? >> i am not, but i believe it and adhere to it, yes. >> i just want to make sure because this is really important because attorney general holder issued these instructions to all federal law enforcement agencies to conduct their investigations in a neutral and impartial manner, particularly in an election year. so once again, you're kind of familiar? >> sir, i don't recall that specific instruction, that focus on fbi policy. but that direction from the department, if it's in force, i readily accept. >> so you understand why federal employees are supposed to be politically neutral, right? >> yes, yes. >> everything he says -- and
your anti-trump text statements are not politically neutral, correct? >> i believe from the perspective of investigating in a politically neutral way, i did that every single day of my job. >> your text statements are not politically neutral? >> that is correct, yes. >> and your investigation activities were in fact taking place in an election year, correct? >> yes. >> you in fact stated that you intended to, quote, stop trump from becoming president in a clear violation of the fbi diog and doj guidance. wouldn't that be correct? >> that's absolutely incorrect, sir. >> no that wouldn't, because that shows a strict bias and it's politically charged. let me give you a little better situation. then candidate trump made some comments on the travel ban, did he not? >> i recall a variety of comments. >> you've got a good memory.
and it was used against him by all the lower courts, wasn't it? >> sir, that is not my area of expertise at all. >> you know very well. you understand this very well, sir. so it was used against him and upheld in all the lower courts until the supreme court. guess what? why is it different for him than you? >> sir -- >> there's no difference here. there's no difference. >> sir, i would argue -- >> the difference between him and you is you put it in black and white. >> sir, the difference between me and him -- and again, i'm not an attorney. >> he's not an attorney either. >> based on protected class in terms of the passage of a federal law which is wildly demonstrably different from an individual who's expressing a personal political belief, it is stunning that that difference would not be apparent to any outside observer. >> you used your political belief in black and white in a text message. we've established that in my
previous question running up to it. i have very little time here. you said about a bias, this morning i watched -- by the way, i'm a dentist. okay. so i read body language very, very well. and i watched you comment in actions with mr. gowdy. you got very angry in regards to the gold star father. that shows me that it's innately a part of you and a bias. >> sir, i disagree. i don't know if you're saying this experience is like being at the dentist, if that's what you're suggesting. what you see in my response is a genuine passion for the united states of america. what you see is a passion as a patriot. what you see -- >> i've got two more questions. >> gentleman from arizona controls the time. >> two more questions for you. if you're in a jury box and somebody sees these text
messages, you're removed from the jury box, are you not? >> sir, i can't -- >> by the way, you are. and the last comment. this morning you are a smart individual. we are not a democracy. we are a constitutional republic. that is why we have two ways, both from a democracy voting and thens from where we have the uh -- electoral college. >> the time of the gentleman has expired. >> the chair recognizes the gentleman from louisiana mr. johnson for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. strzok, you've taken great offense today at questions about your credibility. but for many of us that's the real issue here. i think it is for the american people. as we've been sitting here all day, i've been getting text messages from constituents back home and they're very concerned about this.
this whole thing has been described as shameful and a train wreck. here's what you and ms. paige exchanged the night that donald trump secured the republican nomination in late 2016. you wrote -- or she wrote to you holy blank, cruz just dropped out of the race. it's going to be a clinton-trump race. unbelievable. >> you responded what? she writes back, you heard right my friend. she said now the pressure really starts tonye, which is the fbi code name for the clinton e-mail investigation. she writes back, it sure does. so here's our problem. you two are the most influential personnel on the clinton investigation. within an hour, you text to her, okay, now the pressure really begins. now we really have to finish the clinton investigation. and she agrees and says, it sure does. why did you have to finish it up so fast? what were you referring to, to stop president trump? >> not at all. so she -- she was not one of the
two most influential people on the investigation. the purpose of that text was not having anything to do with candidate trump or candidate clinton. that had everything to do with director comey's sense of urgency to try to resolve the investigation as soon as we could to get the fbi and the investigation out of the presidential race. >> were you slow walking it prior to that timesome >> absolutely no. but there was a sense of urgency, and i think everybody on the team understood that the closer and closer and the longer and longer the investigation took, that we continued, thanks to the actions of some, including some of the candidates, to be inserted into as an issue in the presidential campaign. . >> we're not supposed to soe associate this in any way with all the discharnlging things you said about donald trump and the fact that you said we'll stop
it -- >> i understand your concern, but i'm telling you under oath, it was a desire from the highest level of bureau throughout the team to get us out of the process of the general election. >> let me move on. did you ever find personally evidence of collusion or conspiracy as you said today between then candidate trump and russia? >> sir, i can't -- based on the direction of the fbi, i can't comment on the investigation. >> you said in your text of may 18, 2017, you concluded there is no there there. what were you referring to? >> part of my concern is there might not be a there there. as i mentioned earlier, certainly at the beginning as we looked at the allegations, there were a wide range of potential things that were going on. on one end, it was that there was nothing, that there was no illegal activity, there was absolutely no conspiracy to do anything, moving up to potentially individuals doing things illegally based on
individual agendas and some of the things that might be in the worst case, in the worst case, things that might lead to impeachment. but i was approaching that with a very open mind, not knowing where the facts lay, saying hey there is a reasonable, realistic set of things which might indicate there's nothing going on here. >> you said several times every american has a political bias, but not every american had the responsibility you had on behalf of the american people. and our system of justice depends on equal and impartial justice of the law, don't you agree? >> absolutely i agree on that. >> you've spoken about ethics and honesty and integrity, yet the public record of your actions belie those vir choose and the ig's report demonstrated you had a poor lack of professionalism and poor
judgment. why should the american people trust you as a credible witness? >> sir, i regret and am sorry for the way that those texts have cast my actions into question, and those of the fbi and the investigations. what i'm telling you, a what i would ask you to relay to your constituents is look at the facts. set aside the texts. look at what the ig found, look at the actions, the actions that i took, the actions -- >> with all due respect, we cannot separate the texts from that question. because the texts were written during the investigation while you were in charge of these investigations is, while you're the most responsible and important person in the investigation, and we can't separate your personal biases from the facts as they develop, at the end of the day, that's what we're all concerned about. >> what i would tell you, sir, look at the -- >> the time of the gentleman has expired. that was a statement, not a question. >> thank you, mr. chairman.
>> so the gentleman from oklahoma is recognized for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. mr. strzok, you stated today, i don't think bias was expressed in those text messages. the ig stated in his report that those derogatory texts were not only indicative of a biased state of mind, but were also "anti-threat call to the core values of the fbi and the department of justice." he stated further that such actions implicated "provisions in the fbi's offensive code and penalty guidelines" and referred information to the fbi for adjudication, which is still outstanding. you stated today "at no time did personal beliefs enter into decisions i made." yet the report stated "in assessing strzok's decision to prioritize the russian investigation over following up
on the mid year related investigative lead discovered on the weiner laptop in october of 2016, these text messages led us to conclude that we did not have confidence that strzok's decision was free from bias. you stated today that culture training and policy prevent bias in the fbi. they would be noted and stopped. the justice department ethical guidelines state the following -- "superiors may never send to subordinate employees an e-mail directed at the success or failure of a political party." another one -- "express opinions about the candidates and issues, if the expression is political activity directed at the success or failure of a political party, candidate, or partisan political office or partisan political
gro group -- the fbi domestic investigations and operation guide in section 3.1, because we heard so much about the appearance of policies and what these things do, that's why it's important to quote them, and i quote in section 3.1. we who enforce the law must not merely obey it. we have an obligation to set a moral example that those whom we protect can follow. because the fbi's success in accomplishing its mission is directly related to the supported cooperation of those we protect, these core values are the fiber that holds together the vitality of our institution. mr. strzok, given the extramarital relationship and types of derogatory communication officially exchanged with fbi counsel lisa page as laid out in the ig report, did these actions exhibit a moral example those
whom the fbi protects can follow? >> sir, thanks for your question. i notice your cib, and i want to thank you for your service. >> i've had decades of it myself. >> i would tell you i am ashamed -- >> did the policies guide your behaviors? >> sir, for the bulk of my professional actions, every day of my life they did. >> these actions had no bias, yet we heard from the ig report that they concluded there was. and now we see an extramarital relationship and types of derogatory communications officially exchanged. that does to the appear to exhibit the actions that would exhibit a moral example for whom the fbi protects. do you believe it does? yes or no? >> i disagree with the -- [ overlapping speakers ] >> in section 3.1.1, "in
general, the fbi requires employees to report known or suspected failures to adhere to the law, rules, or regulations by them selves or other employees to any supersizer in the employee's chain of command." you knew your conduct was wrong, not only in the use of forwarding political e-mails and forwarding of links -- >> none of that is wrong, sir. >> and also that the extramarital relationship could place you outside of what would be proper for an fbi agent. so my question is, did you make any attempt to report your conduct to the chain of command, yes or no? did you make any effort to -- >> my conduct in the investigations was always, always -- >> and we can see what that was. i'm reclaiming my time. and my closing remarks i address to you, mr. chairman. i don't have any further comment or any other questions. fbi agents are required to
>> let's hope it's healthy. >> it must be. after hearing the news this morning. a revealing admission from the government. health and human services had warned the trump administration that separating kids from their families would be dangerous to the children. the president did it any way. so he did it knowing exactly what would happen. he also continues to tell supporters that the free press is the enemy of the people. and as you can hear, the results are chilling. it's getting bad out there. paul manafort also back in court this morning. after prosecutors kicked off their case against him. we'll have the latest on that. >> boy, i just -- andrea, i'll talk to you and mike, who -- have been around a little bit. through difficult times. in covering difficult stories. watching whether donald trump goes to the vfw and the press,
he points at the press, and whips the crowd into a frenzy to boo at the press there. whether he whips the crowd into a frenzy to boo and take the free press in tampa. this is part of his shtick. but let's just say it. this is what autocrats do. this is what autocrats do because they hate anybody that's fact-based. and that holds them to pow ore. people that don't want their power checked. do exactly what donald trump does to the free press. >> i -- i -- i have covered seven american presidents in all these years. and none of them have liked the press. they have always -- it's been adversarial. there's been tensions. but they welcomed it and tolerated it. even during the worst of times. we went through impeachment. and lord knows -- bill clinton did not love the press. but we have only had three white house press briefings in the entire month of july. that is extraordinary. >> it is. >> and the quality of those
the upsetting factor is that you see the pictures on tv. specifically last night's pictures. from florida. and, this is an administration and a president who has presided over effectively orphaned over 700 children today. who don't know where their parents are. they're here in the united states. because they were separated from their parents. the crowd obviously cares less about that than they do about haranguing the media. >> they also care less about the fact that donald trump is -- is coordinating foreign policy with vladimir putin, an exkgb spy. it's an excellent distraction. blame the press for all the things you're doing. >> that is the ultimate mystery to me. it includes the republican party, the house and the senate, how sit that we have had effectively war declared in the united states of america by russia. war declared on us.
abruptly on our position towards iran. what went on in that meeting? that's what's so troubling about this. sit all a strategy. it's like rudy giuliani bumbling around on tv. they know now, more really, really bad news is coming. it sews that donald trump lied about everything involving that meeting. where -- they were conspiring with the russians. not colluding. that's not -- let's not use the word colluding. they were conspiring. it was a conspiracy. no collusion? okay. no collusion. a conspiracy. criminal, possibly. but he distracts the people in the crowd. calls it fake news. and hopes he can get away with crimes. >> and because of what he said about the press and bob mueller when those stories and reports do come out, he'll be able to say to the people, consider the source. these are the people that visit out for us. we'll get to a lot of those
moments from last night's tampa rally in a minute. first, president trump created more confusion about whether he'll try to avoid a government shutdown over his bid to secure money for the border wall. the president has privately told aides he was committed to keeping the government open. telling him he recognizes the political cost of a shutdown before the november elections. yesterday, he escalated his public threats of a shutdown, taking to twitter to warn this pip don't care what the political ramifications are. >> oh, boy. >> our immigration laws and border security have been a complete and total disaster for decades. and there is no way that the democrats will allow it to be fixed -- >> can i stop you. our immigration laws and border security have been a complete and total disaster for decades. i'm sorry. i mean, call it fake news if you want. but donald trump's own administration has records on your internet google machine
and we've started large portions of the wall. but we're going to need, even the way we negotiate. we're going to need more. we're going to get more. and we may have to do some pretty drastic things. but we're going to get it. >> i think you have already done enough drastic things. especially separating the kids from their families. leaving hundreds of kids when they're ever going see their families again. probably abusing them. i would define that as child abuse. i wonder about the legal ramifications of abusing children. >> the reports of 9 and 10-year-old kids struggling -- zh still waiting. still waiting. not knowing when they'll ever see their families again. i don't think that is how you treat children. >> there's another claim that the democrats want ms-13 to run the country. again, of all the people that come here, immigrate here illegally, donald trump's own government statistics show, go on the google machine, if you
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despair but of kind of throwing their hands up in the air. the shoutdown talk. it's -- he says one thing one day, one thing the next day. the people i talk to, they say who the hell knows what he'll do? we're trying to convince him not to go down this path. it could send our whatever slim chances we have of holding on to the house, potentially put the senate, which they had been confident about, at risk. but, at the end of the day, this president, the way he makes decision, you know, a lot of times, members of the congressional gop don't understand he doesn't seem to understand the connection between what they do for him and what he's doing every day in office. >> so, his numbers were higher, willie. donald trump was getting to mid 40s in the middle of the summer. then you had the missing children. children ripped from their mother's arms. >> we call them missing. we're not aloud to see them. i don't e know where they are. can we account for them all? >> right.
that's an ongroing crisis. number two, putin's poodle. he played putin's pood until helsinki, according to european papers. it shows him to be weak and feckless. and now, possibility number three, a government shutdown. talk about three bad things lining up for republicans over the past couple of months. >> and, by the way, also andrea's rotting about north korea now. despite the grand summit and the agreement they signed together, building ballistic weapons again. we knew they were making nuclear fuel again already. so in terms of foreign policy, we got another window into it last night. he talked about talking to the leader of iran. maybe we'll talk. it's good to talk. as far as you can tell, and nobody is better dialed into the state department and foreign policy community than you are, what is happening from the top in terms of foreign policy? and how is the state department dealing with it? >> it's not just the state department. it's the intelligence age sis. mike pompeo was as close to the
president as anybody could be as cia director. he was briefing him every day. people in the state department were initially encouraged. the fact that john bolton can tell sarah sanders to tweet out an invitation to putin without telling pompeo. mattis, or dan coats. >> my gosh. >> one day, let's talk. the next, it's they'll see the worst consequences. >> by the way he only communicates with dan coats through you. >> on stage. >> on stage. in aspen. >> and pompeo had to go out yesterday, on cnbc, within an hour of the president, or the day before, excuse me, within an hour of the president saying, i'm talk to rouhani and anybody
without preconditions. and pompeo sat down and said, here are the preconditions. one, two, three. as we speak, he's leaving for malays malaysia. >> is there any guess, any guess, in state, anywhere, in the insell the community, as to why donald trump suddenly, after meeting with vladimir putin has done a 180 on iran. one of putin's most strategic allies. and now is saying, i'll meet with him. not from a position of strength. if you have putin's poodles, you would have what? >> it's so -- erratic. that's the problem. there's no consistency. there's no strategy. and, when we -- they're talking about on capitol hill, and we saw it yesterday. the facebook. and, the -- fisphishing. the attempted cyberattacks
against shaheen, mccaskill. on friday, he had less than an hour, his first national security meeting he hosted on defending russian hacking. now, shaheen confirmed it again. that russia is already in our electorate -- our electric grid. in our infrastructure. that's what dan coats was warning about two weeks ago when he said the red lights are blinking. they're finally waking up to the cyberwarning the. the first meeting was last friday. it was less than an hour. >> so russia, iran, north korea, all certainly pivot points in our face. what is the relationship in dealing with this between pompeo, jim mattis, and john bolton? >> john bolton seems to be the outlier. but he's the one listening to
the president. perhaps feeding him information. and going ahead with the tweets and not consulting his other national security cabinet members the way national security advisers are supposed to. i have not seen a national security adviser off to this kind of start since john poindexter. >> wow. >> historians will know how that ended. >> but who's leaking? they all say this is how it's going. la, la, la, la, la. and then, suddenly, the next second, and i don't know if it's bolton. i don't know who sit. you have your sources pip won't ask you. but it's very -- >> it's the president. >> the administration will leak the next second that north e korea is cheating on missile technology. it's like they're undermining the president at every turn. >> the truth is, the intelligence assessments have been -- have not been politicized. you have to give to it pompeo
and now gina haskell and dan coats. they have tried to be as honest as they can. you have the president now going off on his own. it's the erratic nature of the foreign policy. people can't ignore the tweets because he act es on it. >> you know, andrea brought up the facebook story. i wish e we had booked somebody that -- >> that's done some reporting on this. >> and that has shaved. that would be ideal. >> we'll find that person. it might be nick. he's got this scruffy thing going on. >> it's very intentional. >> it's very "miami vice." >> he's the chris pratt of the morning joes. >> am i crockett or tubbs? >> influential. >> so great to be here. >> incredible.
>> thank you, guys. >> i don't know how you do it. i watch you all the time. >> getting back on the train. we'll do our show today. >> really? she's amazing. still ahead on "morning joe" we'll have more on the president's rally last night in tampa. where it seems clear that trump doesn't purchase groceries themselves. >> you know, because sometimes they fingerprint you to get the milk. >> and they make you do the eye scan at the airport. and day two of the trial. >> if you signed up for clear. >> i love clear. they say, you are clear. you are clear. >> it's incredible. >> here's a problem. >> i'm too old. >> if you're over a certain age, your fingerprints are worn out. so they don't work. >> that's us. >> young kid, put your fingerprint in. it's not going to work. then they go, you're too old. >> is that a med tall fact? >> well, of course, willie. as we were escaping turkey in
'73, we did put the acid on there. >> we'll have to tell them to train their people to say, use your eyes, they're beautiful. instead of, you're too old. >> they don't have it at every airport. but when they do, it's beautiful. also, day two of the trial for paul manafort. we'll tell you where the defense is laying the blame. and law professor jonathan turlly will tell us why he's gambling against all odds. plus -- >> can we go back to the picture? doesn't that remind you of somebody? >> i don't know who it could be. >> it's nick after a long time. >> have you seen them in the same place at the same time? coming up, danny cevalos with the three ways rudy giuliani's strategy could hurt trump. >> only three? >> really?
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the trial for the president's former campaign chair took off at lightning speed yesterday. >> you ne what they call that docket? >> what is th? >> the rocket docket. no, they do. >> with the cross-examination in day one, the jury consists of six men, six women, four alternates. they painted paul manafort as a shrewd liar who felt he was above the law as he hid money to evade taxes while living a lavish lifestyle. he denies 18 counts including bank fraud. the defense in the opening statement city roed in on his former business partner, rick gates who was manafort's
co-defendant until he decided to flip. the defense is pinning it all on gates the. >> it's funny. they're pinning it on gates who didn't have a money for a lawyer. you look at the pictures of manafort, it's gates carrying around a backpack. gates carrying all of manafort's stuff in all the picturepicture. it's like his bag man. his boy. and -- they're trying to pin it all on him. he took all the money. >> so the claim is that manafort is on trial, quotes because of one man. rick gates. joining us law professor at george washington university jonathan turley. and legal correspondent danny savelas. >> it's fair to say they don't have a lot to work with from everything we have seen in public. so, i guess, trying to distract
the jury and point to rick gates and say this is all because of this guy, i guess? i guess that's one of the only strategies they have, right? >> yeah, just not very convincing. the -- this guy was -- he was not responsible for the creation of 30 bank accounts. for moving tens of millions of dollars around the world. this is -- i think going to be a very dubious type of defense. etch if you were to convince the jury that rick gates is dirty, he was still your aide. he was still the guy you picked. but, the government is piling on, because, look. most of the jurors have maybe one bank account. when you have 30 around the world, it's very hard to tell a jury that that was not there for surreptitious purposes. in fairness to manafort, the
government is overplaying the class warfare card. they're talking about his opulent lifestyle. including an ostrich jacket. >> what? >> willie geist sporting for years $15,000 ostrich jackets. would you agree, if that's a crime, lock us away. >> i got mine at burlington for $150. >> you paid the full $15,000? >> i did. i go from that -- >> honestly, who does that. >> jump into my paisley smoking jacket. it work well in tandem. jonathan turley, you write many about paul manafort. >> hunter thompson once described the fleeting fortunes of gamblers as blinking todays, dumb beasts, with no hope. paul manafort is about to
discover if he's one of those blinking todays. rather than take a plea, pan fort has taken the gamble of a trial. he is in the worst possible legal position of having to run the tabls by not only beating 18 counts in virginia but then beating 7 counts in a separate trial this washington. while he needs to beat all the charges, special counsel robert mueller needs only one conviction on one count to put manafort away for as much as a decade. that is what it means to play the house. the house usually wins. right now, las vegas would give m manafort about the same odds of acquittal at it would give the baltimore orioles to win the world series. so why hasn't manafort sought a deal with mueller. why? danny? >> good question. he's been holding out for the possibility that he might get a pardon. but also, sometimes you get defendants and clients who just don't see the case the way the
prosecutors do. that can be a very, very dangerous things. i think ultimately, a safe prediction here. manafort will be convicted. he's charged with tax perjury, not tax evasion. this shows me the government needs a win, wants a win, will probably get a win based on the charges. tax the perjury. very light burden to meet. it's something that the government will have very little difficulty show. based on the exhibits we know they'll introduce. and the witnesses we know they'll call. >> kasie hunt, jonathan turley brought up your baltimore orioles. >> that was low. that was low. entirely unnecessary. we're having a bad year. >> i'm a cubs fan. >> they are 42 games behind the boston red sox. >> i don't want to you can that about. >> it's pretty bad. so jonathan, any theory at all? what's your working theory for why paul manafort did not seek a
deal when it was in his best legal interests? his family's best legal interests for him to strike that deal? >> there's a couple of reasons. in fairness to the orioles, the difference between manafort and the orioles is people actually want the orioles to win. the problem with manafort is he doesn't have a friend in this town. i think he's basically concluded that his best strategy is a pardon strategy. i can't imagine he thinks he'll run the table in both of these cities. he's remaining loyal to trump. i think he hopes that a pardon will do what a trial and any other option will not do. that is to wipe the table clean. he's preserving that option. the other possibility is that either mueller doesn't have enough to offer him. that is mueller would have to say, you'll have to plead to nothing. because even one count will put him away for as much as a decade. or manafort doesn't think he has enough to offer as a deliverable. at the end of the day, this
looks a lot like a pardon strategy. >> there does seem to be coordination between manafort's team and rudy giuliani. we find out yesterday or the day before from rudy about the premeeting. f fordon jr. that had to come straight in manafort's lawyers getting a readout on what gates told prosecutors. >> i think so. paul manafort is the biggest fish to go on trial. he's the first one. he knows a lot. he's very vulnerable. the reason he's holding back and gone to trial, i have a theory. this is a man who works for decades for some of the most odious despots around the world. he was investigated previously and always got arn it. beat the odds. he worked in an area of lobbying, foreign lobbying where
enforcement and oversight was pa thetic. i think he thought he could goat around it. he was caught up in his own spin and believed it. now he thinks the pardon will do it. >> let's look at your piece. howgiuliani's free zpln wheeling media strategy could hurt trump. he introduced a premeeting. over the course of the day, proceeded to shoot down his own story. by tend of the night on fox, he said, the meeting never happened. i don't know what you're talking about. how could his strategy hurt donald trump? let us count the ways. >> three major ways he's violated criminal defense attorney 101. there are probably more. but three is a good place. don't adopt wholesale what you client tells you after the first meeting. we have seen this with rudy.
he goes out there armed by what his learning from his qulints. here's the reality. clients always burn their lawyers. they tell them the version they want the world to be. not necessarily the version of what the prosecution thinks the facts are. sometime they tell you a version that is not what the factual facts are. that's a common, common mistake for defense attorneys. the other thing is, don't insult the prosecutors. complain about the burden of proof. criticize the facts. don't call prosecutors corrupt. and most of all, one of the things rudy is blowing here sthat he goes on these shows, and he thinks it's just a chat -- he's just hanging out. he doesn't stay on message. i watch his body language. when ank eers ask him questions, he leens back, twiddles his thumbs. >> it's like he's hanging out at a bar talking. >> exactly. he thinks they're hanging out on set.
he doesn't consider the fact that, oh, there are other people watching. you watch some other attorneys when they come on air. michael avenatti i cited in my column. he stays relent lessly on message. he has bullet points. every answer is scripted. it looks like rudy, by his body language is considering the answers for the first time when they're asked to him. >> isn't it true that the rules don't apply to rudy giuliani. he's more of a publicist. going out. blowing fog into the conversation so people can't find where the truth is. >> i think you're totally on to something. from the beginning, the notion that rudy is going to a warehouse and going through banker's boxes of documents, no. others may be doing it. but not rudy. he says things at the are later inconsistent. if he was familiar with the discovery, i don't think that
would be happening. >> jonathan turley. i'm curious where we are right now. as we go through this process. give us a 30,000-foot snapshot of where you think the mueller investigation is right now. i'm curious. after, as the manafort trial starts. after 20-plus russians have been inditd. after the u.s. government has provided frensive evidence that shows exactly what vladimir putin's gru did, when, where, how, what they did. what key strokes they used. what buildings they were in in russia when they did it, where are you right now on mueller's investigation? and what do you see as the bigger risks if not to donald trump to his associates that were talking if not coordinating with russian agents like -- like roger stone may -- people
believe roger stone may have been coordinating with -- >> a victory in the manafort trial is not a big victory per se. it doesn't mean he's innocent. doesn't mean he shouldn't have been prosecuted. it doesn't say that much about the investigation. in terms of obstruction and collusion, i don't think the ball has moved materially closer to trump. i think the greatest dangers remain, as i've said before, on the margins. on the borders. coming from mcdougal and daniels controversies. the risk that donald trump jr. could be in if anybody supports these accounts. what i'm looking at primarily is not a direct hit on obstruction
or collusion. but whether some of these collateral issues. >> when you say collusion, conspiracy, right? you're talking about, a conspiracy? >> what they need to show for collusion, and maybe mueller has something like this, would be a quid pro quo. any type of wink wink, nod nod agreement with the russians. for example, there might be change of sanctions if they help with the elections. that is the kind of evidence that would materially change this situation. >> right now, your biggest concern if you're in the trump orbit would be with don jr. would you put roger stone in that group? who else do you think would be in that group? who might be in the greatest legal danger? >> i think there's two dangers. one is that the collateral investigations could come close to the white house. i think they move closer. the other great danger is trump's response to something like an investigation or indictment of his son.
that creates a great unpredictability for the -- trump team. as to how he might respond. he could very well respond as a parent instead of a president. he could issue a bunch of firings and pardons. this thing could change and turn on a dime. i think everyone is watching that closely. i think that where i would be looking as a criminal defense attorney is on the edges. >> wow. jonathan turley, thank you so much. danny cevallos, thank you. even in florida i have had a great career. i have had a lot of fun. i've done great. i've done really well. beyond anything i could have ever expected. and then i ran for president with no experience and i won, isn't that interesting? >> more ahead from president trump's rally in florida. we'll be right back. the fact is, there are over ninety-six
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the attorney general saying this palsy will send a message. don't come to the country. the policy flies in the face of everything that america's based on. which we'll put aside for a second. the president -- the president himself own this is policy. it's not a law. it's a policy. put out by president trump. you had the dhs secretary doing a press conference saying this policy will send a message. send message to keep people from coming here. and then, you have ivanka trump tweeting, thank you, president trump, for revoking the policy. but now you have thousands of children whose lives have been probably perm nntly marked by this. think about. you have a child, 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 12, 16. imagine your child being removed from you. from your life with that child far week. how about a month?
how about that child living in a facility for four months, being asked to clean toilets. being told not the make a lot of noise. not the cry, baz you won't be touched. how about having that child taken away from you and that child sitting there for days, weeks, and months, not knowing if and when he or she will ever see their family again. how about what that mother is going through? physically, actually, sick. not knowing if she'll every hold her child again. imagine that happening to you. because that has happened to people coming to this country seeking asylum. that is happening right now. hundreds of children may never see their families again. and that is this president's policy. this is owned by president trump. melania trump went to the border. and asked these empty questions about when and how these families will be put back
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everybody in washington. i know the good ones. i know the bad ones. i know the wonderful people, and i know the scum. >> you know, his neediness, his weakness for having to have positive things said about himself is a bottomless pit. >> it is. it's incredible. >> it's like that scene in one of the avengers movies where dr. strange throws lokey down and he keeps going down and down. it's bottomless. it's sad and pathetic. what's it like going through life needing that much affirmation at every single step, every single step of the way. >> it's very destructive is what it is. that's what we're about to report at the top of the hour. welcome back to "morning joe." it's wednesday, august 1st. still with us -- >> is it august really? >> it's aug.
can you believe it? >> mike barnacle is with us, nick confessore, kasie hunt. joining the conversation former fbi special agent and msnbc contributor clint watts. associate editor of the washington post david ignatius, former chair of the republican national committee michael steele joins us. yay. good to have you all on board. >> willie, it's august. can i talk to willie about august? >> very briefly. >> don't you find that new york city is at its finest, now it's the best in august. i don't know whether new york city or new orleans, louisiana, smells better in august. >> on bourbon street, you get the heat, the asphalt, the bus fumes and the dog urine that's been on the sidewalk now for 11 months is able to seep up and
create a vapor in the air. >> wow. i'm always wondering -- >> next to the piles of trash. >> where willie is going to go with this. >> it's like orson wells said will eat no cow before its time. we will drink no wine -- >> it's the greatest city in the world but it has some summer smell issues that should be addressed. >> mike barnacle, any chance to talk about johnny carson. >> the king. >> i want to talk about johnny carson. >> the king. >> can you believe that americans got to see that guy 90 minutes a night for free for as long as they did? has there ever been anybody -- >> no. >> better on tv than johnny carson? >> no. three decades of sustained excellence at 11:30 each evening. to go back and watch some of the clips from the old carson shows, they're still rel ceevant today. they're still amusing today. >> he is at his funniest, a lot
like letterman when he told a joke that misfired. that was even funnier. he would stare at the audience. >> i'm glad i gave you that time that we can never get back. >> do you know who johnny carson is? also johnny carson's best insight, clint watts -- >> because i don't watch tv. >> this is for politicians as well, you win america in the central time zone. that's what johnny carson believed. so true. >> where i'm from in missouri, everybody watched "the tonight show." that's the standard thing you would watch. >> thank you, everybody. more now on the president's rally last night in tampa, florida, stumping for republican candidates, ron desantes for governor and rick scott running for the senate, although governor scott did not attend. in his comments, trump let loose a stream of false and flogged claims. >> lies actually. >> here is one of them.
it seems clear that trump doesn't purchase groceries himself. >> only american citizens should vote in american elections. which is why the time has come for voter id, like everything else. voter id. you know, if you go out and you want to buy groceries, you need a picture on a card. you need id. >> willy, when is the last time somebody asked you for -- >> he doesn't care. >> a retnus scan when you get your milk. >> donald trump pushing a cart through the kroger or stop n shop. >> i'm going to say never been in a grocery store. >> it's possible. >> you want those crackers? i need two forms of ids.
>> going to need to see your passport. are you an american citizen like they're asking on i-95. meanwhile, the president of the united states continued to pit his concerns against journalists. the president continued to attack the reporters. here is what the president said and then the first person viewpoint from cnn's chief white house correspondent. >> fake news. fake news. they are fake. every night it's the same thing. wouldn't you think they get tired of these speeches? wouldn't you think? >> stop lying! tell the truth! tell the truth! >> there we go, right there. it's you.
[ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. [ bleep ]. >> clint, first of all, you know, sulzburg is right, his attacks on the free press will lead to violence. >> right. >> you see what happened there. people don't ever want you to compare donald trump to people in the past who used similar tactics to whip up frenzy, so we won't. we can talk about erdogan, this is what erdogan does to the free press. it's not so free anymore. he kills and imprisonens more than any other leader in the world. putin, of course, has always done it. assad is actually now borrowing from donald trump, talking about
fake news. tyrants, autocrats across the world are now stealing notes from donald trump. >> it's highly effective. there's polls out that show how effective this is amongst trump's base. they're repeating lines that the kremlin will also say. we didn't interfere in the election, even if we did, it's no big deal, everybody does it. it's also interesting there, seth rich is brought up again on a sign there. that is a conspiracy that -- >> didn't the russians help push that? >> everybody has tried to push it from the right to the alt-right to the russians who tried pushing this conspiracy that the dnc's e-mail did not come from the hack. we just had an indictment come out from the mueller investigation -- >> did anyone ever apologize for that? i know it's russian propaganda, did hannity ever apologize? >> wikileaks was a big part of that, repeating this conspiracy. those falsehoods.
>> alex, did sean hannity ever apologize to seth rich's mom and dad after he got murdered? >> i don't know if he had a direct apology. he pulled back on the story. we would have to see if he ever actually apologized to the family. i don't know. >> that was russian propaganda pushed seth rich and we saw signs in the audience, even though it's been disproven. >> it's been completely disproven. we have an indictment to show it, most detailed indictment really in terms of cyberattacking. these are propelling an alternative universe people believe falsehoods. >> what kind of person believes lies that could be so easily disproven by going on google? >> it is what i call the preference bubbles and social media nations. i'm going to pick out information that suits the story that i want and that suits my community. so, you know, implicit by us, i want to believe this. my friends want to believe this. we're going to push it. >> i feel angry.
nbc news political reporter ali to answer your question was on the ground at yesterday's rally and she spoke with a woman near the media pen. take a listen. >> another thing the president talks a lot about is the media. he calls it fake news. >> we were just harassing jim -- him. yeah, we don't like him. we don't like him. >> why? >> he's a weasel. he's a weasel. he's just -- he's not even professional. you're professional. maybe he ought to take some tips from you. i've seen it with my own eyes how they lie. i was at the inauguration. i saw -- i was there. so you can't tell me what happened. you can tell the people, but i know what happened there. i was there. i was there for four days. i know there was a lot of people there. they take pictures as we're slowly coming in. and then say, oh, this is all that showed up, you know, stuff like that. you're playing with people's heads. and they're believing it, which
is disturbing. >> you know, for a long time, nick, a lot of people believed that neil armstrong didn't walk on the moon. speaking of johnny carson, it was a sound stage in burbank. facebook has basically been the artery through which so much of this garbage has flowed. facebook bares a disproportionate responsibility for these lies being spread and these communities being built and people being able to glob on to these communities. i don't say that being critical of facebook. that's just the cold hard reality. and you've been doing some research. of course you've been diving deep into facebook for a long time. the russians picked that up in 2016 before some of us did that, hey, if you really want to twist the facts, facebook is the best
megaphone possible. >> look, we've seen here the new media landscape, which is that newspapers and things you see on facebook on obscure websites are treated as equally resourceful or valuable or accurate. there's no monopoly on what's the truth anymore. as george costanza once said, it's not a lie if you believe it. this woman clearly believes we're all in ka hoots to lie about the size of the inauguration. she can go on facebook or twitter and find a profusion of articles that will support her belief and seem reputable and seem accurate. we're in a universe people can pick their facts and people like us aren't trusted by some of those people. >> by the way, let me just say, this is what we really have to start being clear with trump supporters, you're not picking your facts. you're picking your lies. >> yeah. >> you are deciding if it's crowd size or if it's vladimir putin or it's seth rich. you are choosing what lie makes
you feel better getting through the day. >> generally it's not just politics anymore, either. it's public safety. there was a poll in texas that was just done. one in four don't think the benefits of vaccines outweigh the costs. this is another public safety, public manipulation of information. and it fits in with a lot of the conspiracies. >> facebook and twitter and all the other social media components have put them on a level playing field with the new york times. that's what happened. >> at the same time, willie, while facebook is actually profiting off of these lies being spread and democracy being damaged, the new york daily news fires half of its reporters. >> cuts their staff by 50%. i mean the president of the united states over the course of the last three years, then candidate trump, could have shot down a lot of this stuff. he had chances to and hasn't. in many respects they're allowed to grow and flower at an event. nick and i were talking, they saw more than usually these
q-anon signs trump working against the deep state, the pizza gate conspiracies leads to shots fired. it was never squashed by trump's campaign, never squashed from trump's white house so it flowers and grows. >> david ignatius, the lies just continue. and facebook has even allowed a guy whose name i won't even repeat here to talk about first of all a guy who is being sued and should be sued by sandy hook parents who have to run and hide in fear after their 6-year-old children were gunned down in school because of lies that he spreads, this past week he talked about the assassination of robert mueller and appeared, appeared in my opinion at least and a lot of other people's opinions, be calling for the
assassination of robert mueller. why is there even a question whether people like that should be allowed on facebook or not? >> facebook has some very serious thinking to do about how it lets people share information and ideas but also is mindful of the need for safety. the first amendment is tricky. the first amendment allows us to say hateful speech. it's always been true about our country. watching the film from florida, trump in florida, you just sense how many angry people there are in the country. the way trump is stoking that anger and yet i have this feeling, joe, that there's something in trump's tone in this last week that's defensive. all the signs tell us that this angry base just isn't big enough to carry him through the midterms. >> no. >> and he's getting more intense. he's doubling down on some of
these anti-media themes, his nationalist themes. but there are angry people who respond. polls tell us there are not that many of them. we see him backing away from some of his positions on tariffs, on other trade issues, understanding that the country as a whole is an indifferent place. i have to remind myself that that rally in florida as scary as it is not a good snapshot of america right now. >> well, it's not only, michael steele, not a good snapshot of america, it's not a good snapshot of a working majority for donald trump. there's been some rallies where the crowd sizes are not as big. the generic ballot is breaking badly against generic republicans. you could in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006 if you had had a democrat that was a demagogue would go out and be a truther because
there were times during '05, '06 something like 45% of democrats believed george w. bush knew about the 9/11 attacks. so there's crazies on both sides. the difference is you have a president of the united states who is promoting the craziest and most dangerous of theories. >> i think it really goes to this idea of justification. you go back and look on the democratic side those who believe george bush was somehow behind some mass conspiracy within the government regarding 9/11 and everything that fell from that. there's this sense of justification. they'll look for any kernel of narrative that justifies that belief, that thought. you see that now also being played out here. and what trump has done very cleverly is given it the cover of fake news. everything falls into that category. it justifies everything and
anything now that they want to say or believe not just about the media but about those who espouse a particular perspective that trump or his supporters do not like. so, it's not a question any longer of just our friends in journalism, but anyone who begins to now espouse this particular narrative that they don't approach or appeal to, that's fake news for them. and you see what's happening, which is really interesting, donald trump also given license and cover to these december pets around the globe picking up this mantra and using it in their nations to suppress and hold back their media and to justify those actions because, again, it doesn't fit their narrative. >> kasie hunt. >> i wanted to pick up on something david ignatius was saying that this isn't something that's spreading, that there are still a lot of good people in government. while that may be true, i was on
the trail and speaking to a senate candidate who shall not be named that had an anecdote that suggests that this perniciousness is really spreading and was relating the tale of a town hall meeting that they held and somebody in the audience put their hand up and said when the president eliminates abc news, cbs news, cnn, nbc news, will you support that? will you be on the president's side? this candidate was so taken aback that this is where the discourse has gotten to. and the fact that this president is not pushing back against it, you remember that moment with john mccain where somebody stood up back in 2008 with a conspiracy theory about barack obama and mccain pushed back hard at that person and said, no, this is not true. this is a conspiracy theory. this president is an american. there is a very sharp difference
between how our politicians before trump dealt with these theories and how we're seeing them evolve in this era. there's a reason why we were set up as a republic and not a direct democracy. the more i talk to republicans the more i realize how much pressure they're under to buy in from what the voters are hearing from president trump and buying from the internet. this fake news strategy the president embarked on is working and showing up across the board. >> it's one thing to hear from the president, willie, and it's what they read on facebook and it is what they watch on some -- you can't say the right wing shows because there's nothing conservative about them, but certain pro-trump shows that will actually have lower thirds calling the investigation into vladimir putin's attack on american democracy, they will label that a witch hunt. >> and to answer your earlier
question in the segment, seth rich's parents say fox has never apologized to them. fox pushed that story for a week across its network, they had the story up, the conspiracy theory story on their website, they did retract it after six days but rich's parents said they never received an apology and they are now suing fox news over the story. let's move to the trial of the president's former campaign chair. it got off to a swift start with jury selection, cross-examination of the first witness in day one. joining outside alexandria, virginia, nbc news intelligence and national security reporter ken delanie. you were inside the courtroom yesterday. what did you learn? >> good morning, willie. i learned that the prosecution painted an astonishing portrait of greed and deceit. they allege that paul manafort committed this massive fraud. we've seen this in documents, but it's another thing all together to see a member of robert mueller's team articulate this before the jury.
they essentially say that manafort was paid $60 million but that wasn't enough for him. he had to stash some $15 million in foreign bank accounts to avoid u.s. taxes. and then in 2014 when viktor yanukovych was sent packing in exile to russia, manafort needed cash, so he began committing bank fraud, overstating his income, defrauding banks, ordering false profit and loss statements for his businesses because what he had were a bunch of valuable properties in new york, hamptons and other places. he needed to extract cash to fund his lavish lifestyle. prosecutors talked about some of the things he bought including a 15,000 ostrich jacket. that was the news of yesterday is what is paul manafort going to say in defense to this massive document case. they're going to blame rick gates, his right hand man who
testified against him. the problem with that, willie, is that the prosecution already filed a massive indictment against manafort and gates before gates flipped. they were prepared to prove this case without gates. their position is we don't have a star witness, we have two dozen witnesses and hundreds of documents. today we're going to hear from an fbi agent who may start walking through some of the allegations against manafort. >> in fact, blaming rick gates and saying he's the one who embezzled millions of dollars himself of money he was supposed to be managing for paul man fort. thanks. david, what's your take away from yesterday's opening round in the manafort trial? >> well, here we go basically. here we are in court. we have to remind ourselves, paul manafort was donald trump's campaign chairman until late august. he was put there by one of trump's closest friends who recommended him to jared kushner and ivanka trump.
and we have to remember the degree of arrogance comes through in this first indictment. there's a second case that's coming after this alexandria case that will deal with the issue of his role as an unregistered foreign agent, but the arrogance about money. paul manafort is a money who spent money like water and was constantly looking for new ways to get more money, looking for places, according to the indictment, to hide it. final thing that i'm struck by with this case is maybe it's obvious but there was no effort on the part of the trump campaign with a guy who had streaming issues of financial and other irregularities, no effort whatsoever to vet him before he became campaign chairman. nobody looked. nobody asked. that's a startling aspect when you think about the trump campaign and how it operated. no questions asked. we'll hear more as the trial goes on about the connections
that manafort had, the issues involving russia and ukraine, but again, nobody asked any questions. >> and i'll tell you in realtime, mika, the kids were so desperate to get cory lewandowski out of there and to get manafort in there -- >> yep. >> that the entire process everything i heard at the time was rushed and, in fact, a statement was put out before trump even came down to his office that morning to back him into a corner, to accept manafort. >> i remember that. >> but trump said time and time again that manafort is the best. i need him to get the delegates. we don't know how to get delegates. he knows how to get them. and people saying that paul manafort played a small role. >> he headed the campaign. >> he headed the campaign at the most crucial point. they were -- there was a growing frustration that they were getting the vote totals but weren't getting the delegates to match up with the vote totals. so trump decided if he wanted to
get over the top and wanted to end this sort of battle with ted cruz and others, he needed to bring in paul manafort. he made the decision. and you know he said manafort helped him get there. he was critical at that phase of campaign. still ahead on "morning joe," administration officials think family detention centers are just like summer camp. would they send their own kids there? that was asked in a hearing yesterday and we'll show you the answer when senator amy klobuchar joins the conversation. we'll also ask her about those facebook developments that we've been discussing. that's all next on "morning joe." break a trip. and at expedia, we don't think you should be rushed into booking one. that's why we created expedia's add-on advantage. now after booking your flight, you unlock discounts on select hotels right until the day you leave. ♪ add-on advantage. discounted hotel rates when you add on to your trip.
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removed eight facebook pages, 17 facebook profiles and 7 instagram accounts all created between march of 2017 and may of 2018. and first discovered two weeks ago that have engaged in divisive social issues, including white supremacy and the abolish i.c.e. movement. more than 290,000 accounts have followed at least one of those 32 pages or profiles. facebook says it doesn't yet know who is behind the accounts, however, evidence and clues indicate russia may be behind at least some of it. >> nick -- >> explosive on many levels. >> you've been following this for some time. >> i'm struck by two things. first of all, it's the same play book of 2016. it's not even inventing new content. it's finding the extreme polls in american politics and amplifying them. the second thing i'm struck by is that it's facebook telling us
this. it's facebook conducting the counterintelligence. my question for clint here is where are our intelligence agencies and it is unusual or strange that facebook is the one finding and vetting and showing this to congress? >> yeah. russian election interference is the biggest thing in terms of 9/ 9/11. there's no real leadership in the u.s. government for how to go about this. facebook is i actually think doing a great job over the past year of improving their techniques. they have their signatures down. they will hit a wall of unknowns, things they cannot figure out. you notice they said we think it could be linked to russia but did not firmly attribute. who can do that? that's why we have the u.s. intelligence agencies and have the u.s. government. we have not seen a coordinated, organized effort going back to 2015 on what we would do with russian interference. we had a 30 minute meeting last friday.
when i talked to people in the government, they said we're ready to go, but we don't know what to do or we're not being given the mission to pursue it. this needs a task force. there needs to be a task force set up to bring these agencies together. i think lindsey graham talked about in the past few days, why can't we put this together? we have the parts but there is no wheel to really get this thing in motion. >> mike? >> nick, there were so many offensive elements of facebook, people who are on facebook with just offensive messaging. how much is facebook bound in terms of the first amendment in terms of removing that? >> zero. it's a private company. it's a private platform. facebook is a dominant platform for politics right now but a wholly privately owned private garden. so facebook can do what it wants, but the flip side of that is it can do what it wants and it can decide who gets to be on the platform and who doesn't. and the problem they're having still is they can't decide if
they're a platform or a publisher. what they've done is taken the world's biggest op-ed page and allowed anyone to post on it. >> don't they call it a space? >> they call it a space, a platform, a community, a social network. >> so only when they want. >> i see the commercials. >> got it. >> where they're trying to rebrand themselves and puppies. they don't actually put on the parts of facebook where they have somebody calling for the assassination, appearing to call for the assassination of robert mueller. >> because if that happened on facebook -- >> accusing robert mueller of running a child sex ring. i haven't seen that on facebook's cute 30-second ads. if they want to be honest with the american people for once f they're going to put this fillth and garbage on their platform, they need to put it in a 30-second commercial or we'll do it for them.
>> that was my question for nick, what's the argument? what's the argument inside facebook for creating a platform for a person who pushes sandy hook conspiracy theories and forces parents to move seven times because they're harassed by people who follow his conspiracy theories? what's the debate inside facebook about that? >> i think there are two debates, two problems. i think facebook officials are terrified about being cast under regulation and pummelled and rx on the hill for allegedly banning or down voting -- >> this is something else. >> and second, look, facebook is a huge company because it's all automated and scaled. they can't possibly put people in place to look at all the content on facebook and decide if it's good. >> but we're talking about a guy who was "the new york times" today who is facing parents of
sandy hook to move seven times after their children were slaughtered the friday that they were getting off for christmas break in 2012. this is not hard. >> i think they have bought into the idea and sense that they have to balance out conservative opinion and been caught flat footed. i know, joe. they've been caught flat footed by alex jones. the point i'm pointing to is broader. >> that big of a crowd. >> and they can't -- if they get into the business of regulating that content, they are out of business. it kills the golden goose. that is the problem for them. >> let's bring in member of the senate judiciary committee, democrat from minnesota, senator amy klobuchar. you're working on legislation on this given the conversation we've just been having, what can be done? >> well, mika, back in february i was on this show and said the same thing. and that is that we need rules of the road in place and that's
the bill that i have with senator mccain and senator warner that's called the honest ad's act that simply says you have to follow the same rules that tv and radio and print does in that you have to put the ads out there and then you've got to put disclaimers so we know who is paying for them. facebook has voluntarily done that now since the zuckerberg hearings. he said, okay, we'll follow the rules. they've also said they would support our bill. but until then we have gotten no support for the bill and we now suddenly a bunch of the big media companies are saying, you know what, we're now establishing that this foreign entity russia tried to influence our election. they're getting bolder as dan coats said. the red lights are flashing. it's time to protect ourselves before the next election. that is why they discovered these fake accounts that were basically trying to sew more discontent and it wasn't about candidates, it was about issue ads and current law says you've got to put those ads out there so people can see them.
ever since facebook did that, these fake accounts haven't been buying those ads. >> david ignatius, pulling back a little bit and not just talking about the ads, we have discussed here how facebook provides news to more than 50% of americans and asked what if they tried to buy ads or cbs in the 1970s, would the government allow that to happen? would that have been regulated? the person we're talking about today who not only is running a sandy hook conspiracy, he appears to be provoking his viewers and listeners to assassinate robert mueller. if you look at the clip, that's my opinion when you look at that clip. facebook can't regulate that? that's a close call. that's a situation where the
secret service should probably be called if somebody is trying to get thousands and thousands of followers to provoke them to assassinate robert mueller. >> let me take that chemical weapon that senator klobuchar. we were an angry country, people say all kinds of things that sound like incitement to violence. we've been talking this morning incitement of violence against journalists among other things. senator, how do you see the proper role of the federal government in reducing that kind of speech without going over the line, either the specific line or in the case of facebook a desired line to be a community where lots of people can participate. how do you see that working? >> well, you can have programs. if facebook won't do it, other applications will and other sites will and that's where you can have rules of the road about civility. you also of course if someone is trying to incite or threaten or
stalk someone, it can be a violation of criminal statute. when it comes to the president, this is a guy that wakes up every morning and tweets whatever he wants but doesn't respect the amendment that allows him to do it. so, while it may not be illegal for him to go after journalists, i think the president of the united states has an obligation to uphold and embrace our constitution and that means the first amendment and that means setting an example for the rest of the country and that's not what he's doing with how he treats the press and how he treats individual reporters and gets his supporters to call them out. that's not leadership. >> senator, you also questioned officials at yesterday's hearing on family separations. we want to play for viewers these comments from department of homeland security and health and human services officials trying to defend the administration's policy that separated hundreds of children from their parents at the u.s./mexico border, comparing family detention centers to a
summer camp. >> with regard to the frcs, i think the best way to describe them is to be more like a summer camp. these individuals have access to 24/7 food and water. they have educational opportunities. they have recreational opportunities both structured as well as unstructured. there's basketball courts. there's exercise classes. there's soccer fields we put in there. >> would you send your children to these centers, ms. higgins? >> i certainly think that in general practice people would prefer to be free to move about. i can tell you that the centers that i saw did as described have schools and -- >> so you would send your child to these centers? yes? no? >> that's a difficult question to answer. yeah, that's difficult to answer
because you wouldn't send your children there. i'll answer for her. people as you said, in your words, ma'am, you said people would prefer to be free. you don't take children and imprison them and think that a soccer field or a basketball court is going to replace their parents or their family. are you idiots running this country? you seem like child abusers to me. you seem like people who kidnap children and make excuses for holding them indefinitely, deporting their families and then saying it's like a summer camp. this is insane. this is insanity. >> you know, mika, the difference between a summer camp and what they're talking about is you get to go home from a summer camp and see your parents. and right now we have -- because of this coldhearted policy that should never have happened, we have 711 kids, that's 23 classrooms of children, that are waiting to be reunited with their parents. and the kids i talked to at the
border, the little boy who never knew if he would see his mom again but thought she was looking for him who is 10 years old and his mom flees honduras because she's domestically abused, he didn't like being at that alleged summer camp. he wanted to be back with his mom. >> i would think so. >> so senator, let me ask you, 711 children, that's basically 711 amber alerts with these children spread across the country, if you called today to the agency involved here, could they tell you today where each of those children are in terms of location? >> i think they know where the kids are but they don't know where 433 of the kids' parents are because many of them have been deported, they're scared they're going back to countries where there's a lot of violence. so you have a situation where over half of the kids they don't actually know where their parents are. there's one in minnesota where they just found where the
parents are. i cannot tell you the destruction of this policy. in fact, one of the witnesses commander white from health and human services did admit under oath that he had told his superiors about the devastating effect this would have on kids and that's exactly what all the pediatricians and doctors said. yeah, maybe we'll fix this. maybe we'll reunite because of pushing this administration, most of these parents with the kids, but we're literally just cleaning up a mess that they made instead of moving forward with comprehensive immigration reform which our economy needs, which we should be doing for this country, which came through the senate with a very strong vote and yet this president keeps stopping it from happening. >> senator amy klobuchar, thank you very much. >> it was great to be on. >> thank you. please come back especially to talk about this. david ignatius and clint watts, thank you both as well and the depravity, the violence and the callousness of this policy says everything you need to know about this administration. coming up, president trump
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it's interesting as to what is behind the threat for the government shutdown. steve writes in part, is donald trump a savaunt who knows his only path to reelection is to help elect a congressional majority. in 2020 he won't be able to cast down ballot blame in his own party. this president is in desperate search of a foil and what better foil than democrats in control of congress? there is something the wall street journal floated a similar theory that there might be some strange -- >> there is no rational explanation even from an irational president for him to demand a shutdown of a federal government in a mid term election unless he wants to help democrats. here is the experience in which i base this theory. i chair the campaign committee.
october 2013 brutal mid term environment. president obama had been elected in 2012. we were about half way through. the generic ballot was flat lined. i was basically cold calling candidates offering them knife sets if they would agree to run as democrats. then october republicans shutdown the government over the affordable care act. within days i no longer was cold calling candidates. i didn't have enough time to return their calls. the generic ballot preferred democrats by double digits. 80% of voters disapproved of the shutdown. 53% blamed republicans compared to 28% who blamed the president. it shifted the environment. what donald trump is doing right now is he is playing with fire. republicans don't shut down the government in an election year because they know it is fire. they only do it in off years. donald trump says let's shut it
down. why? maybe he wants to elect democrats. maybe he knows shutdowns hurt republicans. he cannot afford to run in 2020 against republicans. he needs a foil. >> are you buying it? >> actually, i am. i am going to take your tongue out of your cheek because i think you spot on. i have been saying this for six to eight months now. he is largely ag nostic as to who controls the house and the senate. the senate is beneficial for supreme court nominees. the president doesn't give a damn about this legislative process. the better foil for him coming out of 2018 is to spend the next 18 months parading against nancy pelosi and setting them up as the narrative for his reelection. so it's not so much about the
party. remember, donald trump is not a republican. we keep acting like donald trump has been a stalwart of the republican party. this is a political convenience for him. he is going to use the party as a political convenience for this election cycle to set up his re-elect should he decide to pursue. the democrats offer the better ballot. >> the president's promise to be on the campaign trail he said six or seven days a week -- >> just to go back to something you mentioned. i would like to thank the mets for pushing down the -- so thank you for that. but congressman, my question for you is what do you think democrats might do to screw up their chances in the mid term elections? we have heard a lot about
abolish i.c.e. a lot of these districts that you guys need to win. that is a different contour than where you need to win to take back the house. >> there are about 58 competitive districts on the battlefield right now. that may change with a few more or less. of the 58 the most i can count in terms of democratic defending districts is 10 to 11. if you are running in brooklyn, new york your message is going to be different than if you are running in brooklyn, iowa which happens to be in one of those competitive republican districts. the one thing that concerns me is democrats will continue to be fixated on the need for a gold plated inside the beltway boiler plate message that just doesn't work in the diverse range of districts they need to win. talking about abolishing i.c.e.
and impeachment, it may rev up our base and that is important. more important the majority is winning in right of center districts and trusting democratic candidates to find the message that works in those districts. >> are you worrying about too many candidates running as resistance fighters? >> i am worried about democrats trying to struggle to find a national message that just doesn't fit with the local mentalities. a good message is what you think people should say. it's tapping into how they feel. voters feel differently in kansas which is a competitive district versus the west coast and the east coast. >> steve israel, thank you very much. always good to see you. coming up, paul manafort apparently had a rare animal-based wardrobe, in this case a $15,000 ostrich jacket.
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applause, please? >> is that for the mets? sorry about your mets. >> thank you, guys. i'm wide awake now. also with us kasie hunt. >> congratulations to andrea. >> we are all honored to be around andrea who is up 24 hours a day. it's all that coffee. it's all the espresso shots. >> let's hope it is healthy. >> it has to be. >> and the vodka shots. >> after hearing the news this morning revealing admission from the government, health and human services had warned the trump administration that separating kids from their families would be dangerous to the children. the president did it anyway.
so he did it knowing exactly what would happen. he also continues to tell his supporters that the free press is the enemy of the people. as you can hear the results are chilling. it's getting bad out there. paul manafort also back in court after prosecutors kicked off their case for an alleged multimillion dollar fraud scheme. we will have the latest on that. >> andrea, i'll talk to you and mike who have been around a little bit through difficult times in covering difficult stories. watching whether donald trump goes to the vfw and the press, he points at the press that he whips the crowds into a frenzy to boo at the press there, whether he whips the crowd into a frenzy to attack the free press in tampa, this is what
autocrats do because they hate anybody that is fact based and that holds them to power. people that don't want their power checked do exactly what donald trump does to the free press. >> i have covered seven american presidents in all these years and none of them have liked the press. it has always been adversaryial. they welcomed it and tolerated it even through the worst of times. we have only had three white house press briefings during the entire month of july. that is extraordinary. >> the quality of those briefings are limited. >> it's not just republicans that don't like the press. as andrea said, bill clinton loathed the press. barack obama had very little use
for the press, always thought they got it wrong. that is what presidents do. like the geico commercial, the guy scores the soccer goal he is on his knees around the stadium. what presidents do is they hate the press. they can't stand the press. but they don't try to whip their audiences into a frenzy to hate the press and point fingers and do what donald trump is doing. >> i mean, he has effectively changed the culture around coverage of his presidency. you saw it last night on display in florida. we have seen it every time. it has worked for him. and the upsetting factor is that you see the pictures on tv specifically last night's pictures from florida and this is an administration and president who has presided over effectively orphaning over 700
children today who don't know who their parents are. they are here in the united states because they were separated from their parents. the crowd obviously cares less about that than they do about booing the media. >> they care less about the fact that president trump is coordinating with vladimir putin. it is a great distraction, blame the press for all the things that you are doing. >> to me that is the ultimate mistreatment. it includes most of the members of the republican party, both the house and the senate. how is it that we have had effectively war declared in the united states of america by russia, war declared on us, carried out, an act of war carried out on us and they seem not to care about that. >> you used the right word. it is a strategy. this isn't the reaction of coverage of one story. this is a long strategy to undermine the source so anything
negative you hear about him you are not to believe. some of the pictures we saw last night this does not end well. >> it does not end well. i think the publisher of the "new york times" put it right in his statement that this ends in violence as he continues to whip people into a frenzly. donald trump is doing it again because you don't look at what happened in helsinki. you don't ask if you are in this crowd what do they say behind closed doors. you don't ask why he lifted sanctions. you don't ask why he shifted so abruptly on our position towards iran. what went on in that meeting? that's what is so troubling about this. it is all a strategy. it's just like rudy giuliani bumbling around on tv. they know now more really, really bad news is coming that
shows that donald trump lied about everything involving that meeting where they were conspiring with russians, not colluding. let's not use the word colluding. they were conspiracy. no collusion, a criminal conspiracy possibly. he distracts the people in the crowd, calls it fake news and hopes he can get away with crimes. >> because of what he said about the press and bob mueller when the stories come out he will be able to say to the people consider the source. we will get to a lot of those moments from last night's tampa rally in a minute. president trump creating more confusion over whether he will try to avoid a government shutdown ahead of mid term elections over his bid to secure money for his long promised border wall. according to reports the president has privately told aides he was committed to keeping the government open telling them he recognizes the
political costs of a shutdown. yesterday president trump escalated public threats of a shutdown taking to twitter. our immigration laws and border security have been a complete and total disaster for decades and there is no way that the democrats will allow it to be fixed. >> can i stop and look at this line? our immigration laws and border security have been a complete and total disaster for decades. i'm sorry, call it fake news if you want, but donald trump's own administration has records on your internet google machine that show that immigration back into mexico, we had a negative net flow in the final years of the obama administration. more immigrants were going back to mexico than coming to the united states. everything is littered with lies.
it's just preposterous. >> and he overstates the criminality of the people coming through. there is no way the democrats will allow it to be fixed without a government shutdown. border security is national security and national security is the long term viability of our country. a government shutdown is a very small price to pay, he says, for a safe and prosperous america. the president reiterated that threat during his rally last night in florida. >> we are going to have tremendous border security that will include the wall. [ cheers and applause ] a lot of people don't know it, but we have already started the wall. we have $1.6 billion and we have started large portions of the wall, but we will need more. we will get more. and we may have to do some pretty drastic things, but we are going to get it. >> i think you have done enough drastic things especially
separating kids from their families leaving hundreds of kids wondering when they will ever see their families again. i would define that as child abuse and i wonder about legal ramifications down the road of abusing children. >> the reports of 9 and 10-year-old kids -- >> still waiting and not knowing when they will see their families again. i don't think that is how you treat children. >> it is amazing that there is also another claim that the democrats want ms-13 to run the country. of all the people that come here, immigrant here illegally, donald trump's own government statistics show -- go on the google machine. if you don't have one go to your neighbor's house. they google machine will help you type the words in if you don't know how to spell them. that google machine will show of all people who came here illegally something like 0.03%
were gang members. you can't even round it up to one percent. who believes those lies? we have to start saying this. who is stupid enough -- who is dumb enough to believe lies that can be disproven within 30 seconds of a google search? >> people who want to believe those lies. that's the point of this. what we see are all the elements of classic strongman politics. we are seeing the attacks of the press and the appeal to the danger of minority groups that there are shadowy forces that are undermining our country, people coming from outside the country to change the culture. we see that time and time again through history. it is always ugly and always ends badly. >> kasie hunt, if you look at the poll, the numbers are showing some shifts. is there anybody in congress at
this point -- >> it is donald trump's approval rating. >> dems are looking good up 12. >> 51% democratic candidates, 39% republican candidates. that will get worse with every threat of a shutdown for republicans. >> any reflections of this on capitol hill? >> republicans were feeling a little better earlier this summer. there were a couple of weeks where they thought things seem to be moving in our direction and that has all evaporated in the most recent weeks in the polls that you are seeing. there is an increasing sense of i wouldn't go all the way to despair. the shutdown talk, he says one thing one day and one thing the next day. people i talk to say who knows what he is going to do. the path could send whatever slim chances we have of holding on to the house, potentially put
the senate which they had been pretty confident about at risk. at the end of the day the president, the way he makes decisions, a lot of times members of congressional g.o.p. don't understand he doesn't seem to understand the connection between what they do for him and what he is doing every day in office. >> so his numbers were higher. we are getting mid 40s during the middle of the summer. then you have the missing children where children were being ripped from their mother's arms. >> we call them missing because we are not allowed to see them. do we know where they all are? can we account for them all? >> that is number one. that is an ongoing crisis. number two, putin's poodle. he played putin's poodle in helsinki. it shows him to be weak. and now you have the possibility of a government shutdown. talk about three bad things lining up for republicans over the past couple of months. >> by the way, there is also
andrea's reporting about north korea. despite the grand summit and the agreement they signed together, building ballistic weapons again. we knew they were making nuclear fuel again. we have another window into it where he talked about talking to the leader of iran. maybe we will talk. it is good to talk. as far as you can tell and nobody is more dialled into the state department than you are, what is happening from the top in terms of foreign policy and how is the state department dealing with that? >> it is not only the state department. it is also the intelligence agencies. mike pompeo was about as close to this president as anybody can be as cia director briefing him every day. people at the state department were initially encouraged that mike pompeo was in the inner circle. the fact that john bolten can tell sarah huckabee sanders to tweet out -- he didn't tell
anybody else. the president is making it up as he goes. one day it is let's talk to iran. the next day they will see the worse consequences than anyone has suffered. >> he only communicates with dan coats through you on stage. >> and mike pompeo had to go out yesterday on cnbc actually within an hour of the president -- or the day before -- saying i will talk to rouhani or anyone without preconditions. mike pompeo said here are the preconditions. still ahead on "morning joe" paul manafort will be in court today without a $15,000 ostrich jacket. we'll get wrap up to yesterday's opening developments and look ahead to what is in store for day two of his criminal trial.
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opening statements and the cross examination of the first witness. the jury consists of six men, six women and four alternates. they painted paul manafort as a shrewd liar who felt he was above the law as he hid money to evade taxes while living a lavish lifestyle. manafort denies 18 counts including bank fraud. meanwhile, the defense zeroed in on manafort's former business partner and deputy in the trump campaign rick gates who was manafort's co defendant until he decided to flip. >> they are pinning it on gates who didn't have money for a lawyer. manafort does. you look at the pictures of manafort. it's gates who is carrying around a backpack and all of manafort's stuff in all the pictures. >> it's like his bagman. he is like his boy.
and they are trying to pin it all on him. he took all the money. >> so the claim is that manafort is on trial because of one man, rick gates. joining us now law professor at george washington university and msnbc legal analyst danny savel s. >> it is safe to say that paul manafort's lawyers don't have a whole lot to work with from everything that we have seen in public. so i guess trying to distract the jury and point to rick gates and saying this is all because of this guy, i guess that's one of the only strategies they have, right? >> just not very convincing. he was not responsible for the creation of 30 bank accounts. he was not responsible for moving tens of millions of dollars around the world. this is i think going to be a
very dubious type of defense. even if you were to convince the jury that rick gates is dirty, he was still your aid. he was still the guy you picked. but the government is piling on. most of these jurors have maybe one bank account. when you have 30 around the world it's very hard to tell a jury that that was not there for serptitious purposes. i think the government is overplaying the class war fare card and really bringing in witnesses to go into details about manafort's lifestyle including an ostrich jackets. >> gei >> if that is a crime lock us away. >> throw away the key. >> i got mine at burlington coat
factory for $150. it was a faux jacket. >> who does that? >> jonathan tirly, you write this about paul manafort in your latest piece for the hill. >> hunter thompson once described the fleeting fortunes of gamblers of tomorrow's blinking toads. paul manafort is about to discover if he is one of the blinking toads. manafort has taken the gamble of a trial and the lingering chance of a pardon. manafort is the worst possible legal position of having to run the tables by not only beating 18 counts in virginia but then beating 7 counts in a separate trial in washington. while he needs to beat all the charges special counsel robert mueller needs only one conviction on one count to put
manafort away for as much as a decade. that is what it means to play the house. the house usually wins. right now las vegas would give manafort the same odds of acquittal as the orioles to win the world series. why hasn't manafort sought a deal with mueller? >> that is a good question. i think what he is doing is he has always been holding out for the possibility that he might get a pardon. also, sometimes you get defendants and clients who just don't see the case the way the prosecutors do. that can be a really, really dangerous thing. i think ultimately a safe prediction here manafort will be convicted. he is charged with tax perjury and not tax evasion which is a much easier burden for the government to prove. this case shows me that the government needs a win, wants a win and probably will get a win based on the charges. tax perjury very light burden to meet. it's something the government will have very little difficulty
showing based on the exhibits we know they will introduce and the witnesses we know they are going to call. >> stick around. coming up, we want to talk about rudy giuliani's strategy in defending the president. is he saying way too much for his client's own good? the answer is yes. "morning joe" is coming right back. ♪ ♪ ♪ raindrops on roses and whiskers on kittens ♪ ♪ bright copper kettles and warm woolen mittens ♪ ♪ brown paper packages tied up with strings ♪ ♪ these are a few of my favorite things ♪ ♪ ♪
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let's take a look at your piece entitled how rudy giuliani's media strategy could hurt donald trump. he introduced this idea in a premeeting. over the course of the day shoots down his own story and then said the meeting never happened. i don't know what you are talking about. how could his strategy hurt donald trump? let us count the ways. >> three major ways that rudy is violating the criminal defense attorney 101. there are probably more, but three is a good place to start. don't adopt wholesale what your client tells you after the first meeting. we have seen this with rudy. he goes out there armed with what he is probably being told by his client. clients will always earn their
lawyers because they tell them the version that they want the world to be, not necessarily the version that coincides with what the prosecution thinks the facts are. that's a common mistake for defense attorneys. don't insult the prosecutors. you can maybe criticize the facts or complain about the burden of proof but don't insult prosecutors. don't call them corrupt. one of the things rudy really i think is blowing here is that he goes on the shows and he thinks it is just a -- he thinks he is just hanging out. he doesn't stay on message. i watch his body language. when anchors ask him questions he leans back and twiddles his thumbs and hands. >> like he is shooting it at a bar. >> he thinks they are truly just hanging out on set. he doesn't consider the fact that there are other people watching. you watch some other attorneys when they come on air.
the guy stays relentlessly on message. every answer is scripted. rudy it is as if he is thinking about the answer for the question for the very first time when he is asked it. that is not the way to be if you are going to go on air. >> isn't it true the rules don't apply to rudy giuliani because he is sort of an attorney in this case in name only. he is more of a publicist creating diversions and blowing fog so people can't find where the truth is? >> from the beginning the notion that rudy is going to a warehouse and going through bankers boxes worth of government documents doesn't work. some other attorneys on the case, those i can see doing this. rudy, i don't see when he comes out and says things that are later inconsistent if he was really familiar with the discovery i just don't think that would be happening. >> jonathan tirly, just curious where you are right now as we
have gone through this process i just ask you to give us a 30,000 foot snapshot of where you think the mueller investigation is right now. i'm curious, as the manafort trial starts after 20 plus russians have been indicted, after the u.s. government has provided forensic evidence that shows exactly what vladimir putin's g.r.u. did, where they did it, when they did it, how they did it, what key strokes they used, what buildings they were in in russia when they did it, where are you right now on mueller's investigation and what do you see as the bigger risks if not to donald trump then at least to those associates around him that were talking, if not coordinating, with russian agents like roger stone may have been coordinating with?
>> i think we have to be honest, a victory in the manafort trial is not necessarily a victory to the investigation. it is not connected to the campaign. it doesn't mean he is innocent or shouldn't have been prosecuted. it doesn't say that much about the investigation. in terms of obstruction and collusion i don't think the ball is moved materially closer to trump. i think the greatest dangers remain as i said before on the margins, on the borders coming from controversies and from the risk that donald trump jr. could be in if anyone supports any of these accounts. those have always in my view been the threats. so i think what i am looking at primarily is not a direct hit on obstruction or collusion but whether -- >> when you say collusion,
conspiracy, right? you are talking about a conspiracy. >> what they really need to show for collusion and maybe mueller has something like this, any type of wink, wink nod, nod agreement with the russians that, for example, there might be some change on sanctions if they help on the elections. that is the type of evidence that would materially change the situation. >> right now your biggest concerns if you were in the trump orbit would be with dawn jr. when you put roger stone in that group. who else would you put in the group of who you think might be in greatest legal danger? >> i think there are two dangers. one is that the collateral investigations could come very close to the white house. the other great danger is trump's response to something like an investigation or indictment of his son. that creates a great unpredictability for the trump
team as to how he might respond. he could very well respond as a parent instead of as a president. he could issue a bunch of firings and pardons. so this thing could really change and turn on a dime. and i think everyone is watching that closely. i think that where i would be looking as a criminal defense attorney is on the edges. coming up, another disturbing development in the government's separation of children from their parents. how the trump administration was warned in advance about the dangers of the policy. that is next on "morning joe".
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process over the previous year we raised a number of concerns in the program about any policy which would result in family separati separation due to concerns we had about the best interest to the child. >> what went wrong? >> what went wrong was children were separated from their parents and referred to as unaccompanied alien children when they were accompanied. >> the last response, he said, was the only honest answer he got from the five officials testifying on family reunification. the fact that the administration appears to have been warned repeatedly makes this horrific policy even more damming on this white house. did you get any answers in terms of how the problem can be rectified, how the remaining
children whose parents potentially were deported can be reunified with their families? >> no. there was very little clarity about that in the whole hearing. i think that will be up to the judge to keep holding the agencies' feet to the fire and try to get them to perform competently in managing this problem. as questioning showed, they were warned about this. there was an initial deliberate cruelty knowing this was going to happen. since then we have seen a cruelty of incompetence as they have not been able to solve the problem. we found out in the hearing about none of those agencies was given prior notice of attorney sessions decision. >> you said the term deliberate cruelty. would you consider this policy to be child abuse?
abusive to children? >> i am a former prosecutor. child abuse is a prosecutable offense. i don't want to throw words around like that lightly. i think it shames the government in front of the people of america and the people of the world. anytime you are putting children in cages and separating very little ones from mothers and fathers it is a very disturbing thing and a very lasting memory for them when you have the american academy of pediatrics saying this is the equivalent of child abuse we ought to take this very seriously. when commander white warns them that it is not consistent with the best interest of children that is a pretty stark warning to overlook. >> the head of enforcement for i.c.e. sat before you all and compared these detention centers to summer camps. you talked about soccer fields and said for many of the kids the first time they have seen a dentist emphasizing the positives, what is your reaction
to that? >> i'm sure there are positives in all of this. i'm sure there are a lot of good hearted and well meaning people who obliged to work in this terrible mess that the trump policy has created. but that doesn't make the sounds recorded of children crying go away. that doesn't make the allegations of child abuse in these facilities go away. that certainly doesn't make the image of children in cages go away. >> senator, yesterday you repeatedly asked the panel in front of you what went wrong. you failed to get any real answers, honest answers from anyone other than commander white. is part of the problem we are told is that the parents, 711 children scattered across the united states being held in these facilities and their parents have disappeared into central america where they have been thrown out of this country and transported back to
guatemala and places like that. how do we go about finding people in environment wheres it is both dangerous and hard to locate people? >> there are two problems, i think, that explain those really bad answers that i got. one is that i think that this issue is still so politically charged within the trump white house that it is very, very difficult for the officials to give a straight answer. they want to stick to the party line at all costs no matter how foolish they look because they might get whacked by somebody for stepping out of line and therefore you end up with ridiculous answers. that's really a bad sign when government officials aren't telling the truth because all they want to do is follow the party line. that is not the american way. the second thing is when the families were deported the party line is that they all
voluntarily abandoned their children and knew what they were doing and were perfectly happy to abandon their children. we need to look much more closely at what took place as the parents were being deported to see what kind of choices and information they were given and releases they formed and advice they got because it could very well be that a lot of these parents got basically stampeded across the border with various threats and things and the government was at least complicit in separating them from their children and deporting them leaving their children abandoned in the u.s. we need to dig harder into that. >> when this policy was first announced it was openly advertised as a deterrent. it was meant to keep people from coming to the border. what we are seeing now it seems like it was a deliberate part of the policy. i wonder if you feel seeing what you have seen if this policy was designed to do what it is doing
right now? >> the very use of the word deterrent implies of something very bad or unpleasant is going to happen. sure enough tearing little children away from their moms and dads is very bad and very unpleasant. and they spoke right from the very beginning about the deliberate nature of this and about their intention to send a signal don't come here because here is what we will do to you. we will take your kids away from you. this is our deterrent. they have conceded that point. that is an admission. >> thank you so much for being on this morning. >> thank you so much. >> good to be with you. >> we have been talking this morning about the arc of donald trump and the republican party's support throughout 2018. it rose a little bit, a lot of stories about how republicans were closing the generic ballot
test -- donald trump getting into the mid 40s. as he got into the mid 40s we started to see him aggressively enforce the ripping of children from their and now what's turned out to be just be a nice mare scenario. some reports which we haven't confirmed yet, but immigration law you're reporting that a child actually has died in a detention center. but you have that policy. you have donald trump acting in the words of european papers as putin's poodle. >> right. >> showing extraordinary weakness and actually adopting the ex-kgb agent's foreign policy toward nato in front of putin and the world. and now the possibility of a government shutdown. and you look at the numbers, the quinnipiac poll showing donald trump down in the 30s. the generic ballot test not so close anymore.
>> right. >> and donald trump looks like he's still willing to drive this party over the cliff. who stands up? in congress, to protect republicans in congress from this nonsense? >> to be honest with you, i don't anyone does. i think they're so afraid of donald trump. and at this point, the shadow of the base that protects the president, that there is no inclination to self-preservation to the point where you go and say, wait a minute, this is a line too far. putting on the table that you're willing to shut down the government. certainly, yesterday's testimony, when members of the administration are going hubba hubba, hubba, were asked would you put your child in this detention facility, is the reflection not just on the policy of this administration, but a broader reflection of the republican party as a whole. because we're tabacking these things we're sustaining these
thinking. joe, the president is in his la la land of his own identification, being the sun in his own universe, that everything else is colliding into itself. there is no coherency here. and no competency. it makes it really hard for republicans to stand before the american people this november, north let us hold control, but enhance our control over the federal government, in the face of all that we now know and have seen. >> i think we also need to define this accurately. is this child abuse? yes. also, i said these kids were missing, they're actually kidnapped. someone define it any other way, let me know. they're kidnapped. up next, china accuses the u.s. of blackmail after reports that the trump administration is weighing higher tariffs. we'll dig into that next on "morning joe."
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local news reporters that are following this story. but we hear nothing from the golf about -- >> and you can't see the children. >> just like yesterday, we heard that these children are, you know, scrubbing toilets with their bare hands and being treated terribly. but we get no information, no transparency from the government. so, for the life of me, i can't figure out why congress can't do more to get that -- they fund all of these agencies. they have the checkbook. i would stop all appropriations where it hurts the president, the administration the most. unless we get transparency and know the state of these children, who they are, where their parents are and how to help this. >> exactly. and as the president reportedly mulls raising the stakes of his trade war with china, trump said last night that america's farmers may be in pain over his tariffs but he says they're telling him they can handle it.
let's bring in cnbc's sara eisen. sara, what action has the white house reined today. >> more escalation. word is reporting that the trump administration is now looking at putting a 25% tariff on $200 billion worth of chinese goods that come into this country. that's different than the original plan which was said to be 10% tariff on those $200 billion. why is this important? because this is a list that contains all consumer products that come in from china. food, baseball gloves, bicycles, furniture. it's an extensive list that can could be announced today and then goes through a public comment period that could be enacted through the end of the month. there are also reports, guys that u.s. and chinese officials have been talking behind the scenes to try to avert a worsening trade war. though, it's very unclear what actually is going on there. what is clear, this is starting
to have an impact on u.s. consumers, our economy. and we're in earning season. warning that tariffs could have unintended consequences. >> sara, thank you so much. michael steele, those tariffs are attacks, conservatives will tell you on working class americans, once called a soviet-style economics? >> yeah, but a soviet-style economics that republicans have embraced full throatedly. now, you're going to have to eat this crow and stand in town halls in the second and third quarters of next year to explain why the jobs are lost. >> mike. final note. >> the chief phrase about children, they're in custody. in custody to such an extent in our culture, where's the out rage with this?
Former GOP representative Joe Scarborough and Mika Brezinski interview newsmakers, politicians and pundits about the issues of the day.
Former GOP representative Joe Scarborough and Mika Brezinski interview newsmakers, politicians and pundits about the issues of the day.
days before according to the leak, he says there was a meeting with donald junior, with jared kushner, with paul manafort, with yates and possibly two others in which they, out of the presence of the president discussed the meeting with the russians. we checked with their lawyers. the ones we could check with which was four of the six. that meeting never, ever took place. it didn't happen. >> there's no second meeting here? >> it's highly unlikely. i always have to leave the option open as a lawyer. in case they come across something that startles us or feels some of the things we feel are important. >> what's he saying? what's he saying? run that clip again. i -- >> actually, the words. try and listen to exactly what he is saying. >> and what's he saying here? >> we'll hear it. let's look at it again. maybe it will make sense.
>> there's no second meeting here? >> it's highly unlikely. i always have to leave the option open as a lawyer, in case they come across with something that really startles us or feels some of the things we feel are important. >> another round? >> yeah. >> i think willie can translate wlarch . >> what a journey. >> my drinks are free. >> rudy giuliani is debating himself. >> he is debating himself. so in the morning on cnn he raised the idea of the second meeting. that came out of the blue to a lot of people. what second meeting? he put that on the table. he says to preempt the "new york times" story we haven't seen yet and maggie haberman says she doesn't know what he's talking about. 12 hours later on fox news, he's shooting down the idea that he raised earlier that morning on cnn. it's a debate all in his own head. the best part, he did it to kill a story he single-handedly brought to life. >> right. none of us were talking about that story. he is talking about the story. again what he says, well, we
shoot it down just in case we don't know about something that they -- they know wevhether the did it or not, mike. like donald trump lying on air force one to cover up the real meeting of the don junior meeting which don junior said his father didn't know about. a little perjury issue if we find out that donald trump -- all of these -- no big deal, if donald trump knew about the meeting. it's a big deal for don junior because he committed perjury, if that's the case. it's just like trump lying about that meeting means that something went on in that meeting that they wanted to hide. and now you've got rudy saying, well, but -- you know, we're not going to say it didn't happen, because we don't know if it did or not. yeah, they do know whether it did or not. >> it's incredibly taxing and tedious to have this put on us,
this early in the day? begins one segment talking about meeting that took place in the very same segment, same 30-second clip goes from there was a meeting a meeting that occurred we wanted to get out to get ahead of the news and 10 seconds later called it along alleged meeting. as if the meeting he referred to didn't take place. what time of night was he interviewed for that? that's my question. >> i don't know. i will say, we have -- >> there's that question. a good one. >> some of the worst v.o. of rudy giuliani i've seen, i think. we need -- come on. look at that. get some good shots of the guy. what's he doing with that ring? >> world series ring? >> pulling it or something? >> heidi, do we need to play it again? do you have any idea what he was saying, and what would your follow-up have been if you were interviewing him? >> play even more. not only did he confirm a meeting none of us were talking about but actually flashed out some of the details in those meetings. that apparently michael cohen
may have been in donald trump's office when don junior came and said, hey, we're about to meet with the russians. so he seemed to corroborate that. >> that's not good. is it? >> he also put gates potentially in the pre-planning meeting, which would be huge, if true, since as we all know, gates, rick gates, paul manafort business partner, has been cooperating with the special counsel for several months, which means we don't have to rely just on michael cohen for this information, that rick gates may have confirmed it and mu mueller known about it a long time. bottom line, the number of conspiratorial meetings around the russians is increasing and so is the circle of trump officials, trump campaign officials, who participated in these conspiratorial meetings. >> at least he has paul manafort's innocence. >> well, there's that. the first trial in the special counsel probe kicks off today
with jury selection for paul manafort. the president's former campaign chair is accused of hiding at least $30 million that he made before his days with trump as an unregistered foreign lobbyist for ukraine, and its former pro-russian president. told the prosecution plans to call 35 witnesses including agents from the fbi, treasury department and irs to show how he stashed his wealth in overseas banks to avoid paying u.s. taxes. last week a member of robert mueller's team said he does not anticipate a government witness will "utter the word russia" during the trial. but if manafort is convicted, they could use it as leverage for him to talk about anything he knows pertaining to the trump campaign and russia. the trial is expected to last about three weeks. manafort face as similar trial in washington in september. >> richard -- >> a long haul for him.
>> yeah. and the question everybody has is, why has he not pled yet? absolutely no defense. have him dead to center. after he goes through this in virginia, he'll go through it in d.c. >> short answer, i have no idea. but there's so much apparent evidence against him that you -- either he's going to spend the rest of his life in prison or he's going to have to do some sort of a deal and i don't know -- i'm not a lawyer. like you, i am not a lawyer. what the sequence has to be here. clearly they have a lot on mr. manafort. >> clearly they do. it's interesting. when everything seems to collide with donald trump and things start going really bad. >> he deflects. >> he decides he's going to take a meeting with a group of tirendtir tyrants. it's a playbook. >> it is. and at a particular time, stormy
daniels was about to hit the front pages he went there. now he's open to meetings with the iranians. after this, when he gets in trouble, he'll talk about meeting with the martians. let's take a quick look at the president of the united states doing what he likes to do most. deflect. >> i'll meet with anybody. i believe in meeting. i would certainly meet with iran if they're ready to meet. i don't know if they're ready yet. they're having a hard time. i ended the iran deal. it was a ridiculous deal. i do believe they will probably end up wanting to meet, and i'm ready to meet anytime they want to, and i don't do that from strength or weakness. i think it's an appropriate thing to do. if we could work something out that's meaningful, not the waste of paper that the other deal was, i would certainly be willing to meet. >> do you have preconditions noor meeting? >> no preconditions. no. they want to meet, i'll meet. anytime they want. anytime they want.
good for the country. good for them. good for us, and good for the world. no preconditions. if they want to meet, i'll meet. >> so the reason why we needed, the world needed to have someone at the meeting with vladimir putin and donald trump is because in the past week or so, since helsinkhelsinki, donald t has, one, sent a signal he wants to lift sanctions on an oligarch who's close to vladimir putin, that we just put on a couple months ago, and, two, now he's talking again from a position of weakness. wanting to meet with iran. it's a -- it's a complete 180 turn. there's very little, actually, to explain that, richard, but there is a playbook for donald trump. threatened to bomb a terrorist state. say you want to meet with the terrorist state and then capitulate to the terrorist state.
are we going to see what happened in north korea happen with iran now? >> almost certainly not. if the administration were serious about meeting with iran, they would have done it before they unilaterally got out of the nuclear deal, that by the way iran was -- >> what if foot eputin asked hi reach out to iran? >> another reason the iranians want no part of it. the secretary gave a big speech calling for regime change. the administration is ratcheting up sanctions. got out of the nuclear deal after the president said he's meet without preconditions. the secretary of state started listening to preconditions on nuclear issues, iran regional behavior, how they're treating their own people. >> look what we've been saying about north korea all along and you have donald trump declaring victory in north korea, when the north koreans now, we keep finding out, in more ways, that they're cheating and, in fact, their nuclear program is more dangerous today, u.s.
intelligence officials tell us, than it was when donald trump first started negotiating with the north koreans. >> a front page story in the "washington post" today, after last week's story about their nuclear program, we learn now their missile program, intercontinental ballistic missile program is continuing. the only word i take exception with cheating. we don't know if north korea is cheating because we don't know what north korea and the u.s. agreed top it's like a piece of swiss cheese. the holes were bigger than the cheese. >> we know this. donald trump said americans can sleep at night. that nuclear weapons were no longer a problem with north korea. we know that's a lie. >> we know that's a lie, and nothing like that was accomplished. what we're seeing is a pattern of summits where the promise is great. we don't really know what was agreed on -- wrong at both ends. there's no preparation and there's no follow-through. no engine, no caboose.
all of these summits essentially leave us worse out than where we were before them. >> think about it, willie. the north korean leader leaves far stronger than when he first met with trump. putin, much stronger than -- made donald trump look like, you know, his patsy on the world stage. he's much stronger than he was before, and now trump is saying, we don't negotiate from a position of weakness or strength. no. if you're the united states of america, i'm sorry. you always negotiate from a position of strength. >> as richard points out, the president is supposed to come in end of the process. dot handshake, sign the declaration. not come in at the beginning making promising and declaring victory at the end of a press conference where nothing was actually achieved. one of the patterns of the trump administration, the president make as grand public declaration, the rest of the administration comes in to reshape it or clean it up.
yesterday mike pompeo talked about all the preconditions he would need to see before a meeting with iran. >> if iranians present a commitment to change how they treat their people, that it's worthwhile to enter into a nuclear agreement that actually prevention proliferation, the president is prepared to sit down and have a conversation with him. >> one of the things they tried to get in at the senate hearing. who should the american people, the united states senate listen to. you have president trump saying one thing on the big stage and then people like pompeo, bolton and others coming in after the fact, saying something completely contradictory? >> the answer is clear. listen to the president of the united states. that's what the rest of the world is figuring out. as much as they may respect the secretary of defense or the secretary of state, end of the day, if they don't speak for the united states and it doesn't appear they do, how can you listen to them.
the two summits we had, there was no staff in the room. they weren't in the room. the president of the united states has become the chief different mat of the united states. we have to learn, that's reality. so the secretary of state and others can come in before or afterwards and try to clean it up, but we -- he is -- look, i like mike pompeo. don't get me wrong. i think the president is putting him in an extraordinary difficult almost untenable position like with rex tillerson. if you're not in the room and don't know what transacted, how can you authoritively say this is the policy of the united states? >> and talking republicans trust donald trump more than their family, more than they trust the media. so at what point do republicans visit -- at what point do republicans, the question we continue to ask, at what point do republicans say, wait a second. we were anti-putin and anti-russian. didn't like him shooting down commercial aircrafts or invading other countries.
poisoning people, assassinating -- but now donald trump says he's okay. so he's okay. and rewriting 70 years of policy that republicans champion and then makes nice with north korea. and now he sounds so weak. basically begging the iranians for a summit. at what point does somebody like nikki haley go, i'm out. i'm running against this guy in 2020 before he ends up, like, turning u.s. foreign policy over to all of our enemies. i was -- >> if he hasn't already. >> if you remember, i was critical and every other conservative was critical of barack obama being so focused on dealing with iran and cuba. that was child's play. donald trump is north korea,
russia, now iran. there is not a tyrant, not a terror state that this guy doesn't want to cozy up to. >> i think the answer is, at least all the evidence we've seen to date is never. never. that's what -- i can't stress enough, there's no evidence whatsoever that his base supporter or any member of congress is actually turning on him in a public way. i'd say the opposite is true. he's growing more powerful. his sway is growing more powerful. >> because conservatives now like iran and now like north korea and conservatives like russia? >> i don't think people pay that close attention to it. i think people look at him and say, he's doing it different. the old way didn't work. i don't believe any of you guys on the set. they don't trust us. they trust him. >> heidi, they could go on the google machine 30 seconds. you don't have to trust me. go to your neighbor's google machine and type stuff in. the truth is out there, but this
isn't the "x files." >> russia was the perfect example. right? it never happened. can't sit alone with putin for two hours, meet with him. treat him like the pope when standing next to him. surely republicans will turn on him. nobody turned on him. even the couple of congressman, kel, concerned about that. within 24 hours, all ran for the hills. why? because they fear the base. >> it's painful. >> the base loves trump. >> somebody needs to tell the base the truth and could that, go to town hall meetings and actually tell the base the truth, heidi. they ought to try it sometime. you have, again, with donald trump, you have him capitulating to terror states, and then you have steve scalise actually joining in. somebody in the republican majority joining in, signing on to impeach rod rosenstein, because they're trying to get to the bottom of vladimir putin and
his attempts to undermine american democracy. well, that is a republican leader. not abencher. that is a republican leader who is actually working hard to subvert and investigation already indicted several dozen russians, and we have the -- the u.s. military, the u.s. intel community, has the goods on the russians. they tried to subvert american democracy in 2016, and steve scalise is signing on with freedom caucus back benchers to try to actually subvert and investigation over someone actually trying to undermine american democracy? >> joe, i saw your tweet yesterday about how this election in 2018 is going to be the most important of our lifetimes for a lot of people, and i think that is your answer. whether you want to go down -- whether it's foreign policy or
it's guns or it's the tax cuts. there's going to be another proposed round of tax cuts for the wealthy now. at the same time that president trump's base is closing ranks around him, look into the poll numbers, and see what's happening with the intensity of the disapproval on the other side of the ledger, and that's why this election is so important, but that's also why it's so hard to tell exactly what's going on has to match those numbers up, because what we could see here is a repeat of what happened with barack obama, which is that when barack obama was not on the ballot in the mid-terms, his people didn't come out but an intensity on the other side of the ledger that swept democrats, and you could see the same thing happening here, just because those numbers are becoming stronger with each one of these examples that you cite. the intensity of the disapproval on the other side is strengthening.
manifold, twofold, threefold. >> one more point about iran before we go to break. >> yes. >> often ask, what if obama had done this? we don't have to ask. he did it during the debate almost to the week in 2007, 11 years would meet with ahmadinejad, savaged by republicans and hillary clinton and democrats as well. still ahead on "morning joe," president trump heads to florida to stump for a candidate who's stumping for trump? we'll explain. plus, two weeks ago republican senator rand paul announced he was concerned about president trump's choice of brett kavanaugh for the supreme court, but yesterday paul wrote on twitter, i have decided to support his nomination. who could have saw that coming? >> and when we look at the senators who may or may not support kavanaugh, jim vandehei, let's not even put rand paul on this list. he does this every time. i'm going to vote against that.
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>> that's a new ad from congressman ron desantis in his bid to become florida the nominee for governor. president trump will rally in florida today where desantis who endorsed a tweet last december helping him move ahead in the polls of former front-runner adam putnam, the state's agriculture commissioner, and "i am behind donald trump every step of the way." >> wow. i guess he likes the putin stuff. likes changing u.s. foreign policy. it's a big fan of iran, i guess. i guess a big fan of north korea. the party's changed so much. i mean when i was a republican we liked balanced budget, when wheeze balance a budget, actually. we liked paying down the debt. we liked keeping in entitlements solvent. let's see. what else? oh! we were against tyrants in iran and north korea. that's changed. all of that has changed. it's so funny. i mean -- you can't -- i used to say that
the party is not conservative anymore. but we are so far beyond that. they are -- they are -- they've adopted vladimir putin's foreign policy. donald trump has adopted vladimir putin's foreign policy. you have people on russian television every night saying, the soviets. we could never do this when we were the soviet union. donald trump is doing it for us. that's what russian television commentators are saying. then you look at our domestic policy, our foreign oepolicy. stalin wishes he had the ability to impose tariffs and then pay farmers $12 billion that a lot of farmers are saying, we don't even need. as ron johnson said it is a soviet-style-type economy when you start -- when donald trump starts talking about picking winners and losers. i don't know if it's soviets
sell, it is socialism, though, and that used to be, at least where i'm from, that used to be something that conservative voters were against. maybe it's a selling point now. i don't know. >> so let's talk about your former political party, which changed drastically, i submit, since you were last a registered member of the republican party. >> right. >> and jimmy pointed this out earlier. this poll who would you trust for accurate information? among trump supporters the result, trump, 91%. friends and family, 63%. mainstream media, no surprise, 11%. so if you're running for governor of florida, if you are ron desantis you clearly seek his fave perp understandable. you want a favorable tweet from the president of the united states. rockets him ahead in the primary, but among the base we continually talk about, how deep and lasting is the fear, the clear fear that many of elected republicans have about the president of the united states?
>> i mean, i think it's -- i just -- the fear is there. what i don't understand is, when leaders of my party did something i disagreed with, i went after them. went home and explained to my constituents why i went after them. they're spending too much money. newt's talking about -- >> they're spending more now. >> just saying. i could go home, voted against the bill because they're spending too much money. i voted against the bill because newt's talking about getting rid of the tax cuts. jim, that's what i i don't understand is, i'd hold 100 town hall meetings a year. you can explain to your constituents and i can tell you my constituents way back then always understood. yeah, okay. don't go along with the party, then. if the party's going the wrong way, go your own way and found it strengthened me, not only among independents but among
party members who trust immediate more because they didn't blindly follow party dictates. >> but fear is an exceptionally powerful motivator. step back one second. georgia, basically a swing state. florida, basically a swing state. the president of the united states weighs in on both of those races, and takes trump candidates who were way behind in the polls and instantly makes them such favorites that people are telling putnam to get out of the race. >> it's insane. >> instant, overnight. that's power. >> adam putnam, one of the most able leaders in the state of florida. republican or democrat. florida voters would be a fool to not vote for adam putnam. >> but they don't agree with you by a 12-point margin and think the establishment is foolish to back putnam. that's the pow are he has and why it outlast it's -- the thing trump proved all the things we thought the republican party stood for, didn't necessarily is what the base of the party stood
for. turns out they get more jazzed about immigration, about the changes face of america -- >> this is exactly -- i remember driving over with -- with my former chief of staff, driving over after katrina hit, and we were dealing with, richard, just extraordinary incompetence, not only at the federal level but the state and local level. now, my chief of staff said, you know what? this is what happens when you go down ideological check boxes. by the way, he's a very conservative republican. in fact, he's -- he's -- he's an elected official. he said, we check off, are they pro-life? are they pro-gun? are they pro-this? pro-that? and we get the candidates we want, and then a katrina comes. and ideologically they're lined up but don't know anything about leading. here you have ron desantis, dressing his baby in "make america great" outfits and reading bedtime stories, it's
cute, clever. he's playing the trump card. what's going to happen when a category 5 storm goes across the i-4 corridor? will desantis be able to deal with that as well as putnam? no. nobody would begin to think that. it's lunacy. not just talking about this race, but this is how -- people ask, how do we get the katrinas, the poor leadership we get? and it is the stupid, dumbing-down ideologically on the democratic side and on the republican side. are they pro-choice? are they anti-gun? whatever on the democratic side? and same thing on the republican side. and nobody's looking for, are they a leader that can get my family evacuated when a category 5 hurricane comes in tampa bay? >> just to say we're going to have that problem, and didn't we already have that problem for two reasons? one, the risk of sounding wonky, severe weather, cost of climb
change is the norm, no longer the exception. look what's happening around this country. and our infrastructure combined with that means we can't cope. so this is -- governing's hard but we are making it harder because we're not serious. not serious about climate change or infrastructure. this country face as crisis economically, socially in human terms and are simply letting it happen. >> by the way, not serious about elected serious leaders. best leader i've ever seen and wasn't warm and fuzzy, jeb bush. never seen anybody lead on a state level as effectively as jeb bush. not a close second of all the people i've seen over the past 20, 25 years and jeb wasn't warm and cuddly. you know? he just did his damn job. anyway -- still ahead, president trump is awake. good morning, don. and tweeting this morning. he's taking a shot at the coke brothers. >> oh, my god. >> taking a shot at the coke brothers. yeah, a smart move. you're so powerful.
hey, keep attacking the coke brothers. attack them every day. year so powerful and strong. by the way, also senator enough to sit down with bob mueller. e really should not listen to all of those people because you went to princeton and you fordham you're not smart enough to sit down with him. i'm not sure where you went to high school but smart enough to sit down with him and keep attacking the koch brothers after the network announced it wouldn't support some republican candidates this november. willie it is a veritable war of words out there. >> yes, it is, and the koch brothers are happy to have it. >> as am i. we'll be right back. ♪ let's fly, let's fly away ♪ ♪ just say the words ♪ and we'll beat the birds down to acapulco bay ♪ ♪ it's perfect for a flying honeymoon they say ♪
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officials overseeing billionaire charles koch will not be -- supporting republican congressman kevin cramer against incumbent democrat heidi hide kamp in north dakota. supporting those outside the republican party seeking to distance itself from president trump over disagreements on trade and immigration. the decision deals a big hit to cramer, who's already being out-fund razed by heitkamp. on the heels of that the president is tweeting this morning saying -- the globalist koch brothers who have become a total joke in real republican circles are against strong borders and powerful trade. i never sought their support because i don't need their money or bad ideas. they love my tax and regulations cuts, judicial picks and more. i made them richer. their network is highly overrated. i have beaten them at every turn. they want to protect their companies outside the u.s. from being taxed.
i'm for america first, and the american worker. a puppet for no one. >> my god. >> ooh. except for vlad. two nice guysideas. make america great again. god. >> i don't know where to start. >> there's a lot there. >> jim, first of all, there's no reason why charles koch a classical liberal, no reason why charles koch would support donald trump, would support the protectionism. they obsess over government spending, they want not balanced budgets but rational budgeting and you got the biggest spending bills ever, trump going on the biggest trade war we've been at since herbert hoover was president. you can go down the list. economically there's really no reason for charles koch or any libertarian or in his case
classical liberal to support donald trump, is there? >> no. i think you outlined perfectly what the koch brothers stand for and it's more traditional republican party topics on recognizes, taxation, even immigration is a different place than the president. charles koch probably likes this tweet because one of the things that the koch network is trying to do is rebrand themselves. they know how radioactive they are in politics. david koch has stepped back from political operations. charles koch is the leader of that organization, probably happy to have this. but, again, i think he's definitely speaking for a distinct minority inside the republican party. but speaks for what we thought republicans stood for pre-trump. >> heidi, they always have been very uncomfortable with some of the more hard core republicans views on immigration.
they've been concerned about exploding military budgets. they've also been concerned by protectionism. this was before trump. and don't know they have much of a choice but to do what they have done here if they want to stay true -- by the way, donald trump can't make the kochs any more money than they already have. >> they never liked trump. they didn't support him in 2016. they held out for quite a while. and, yes, the issues range the gamut from the deficit spending to the muslim ban. charles koch was on the record likening that to nazi-style racism. but here's the thing. mark short is tightly aligned with the koch network and he was right there in the white house as a legislative director and they took away "the crown" jewel of their agenda which was the tax cuts.
so surprise, surprise, now mark short is leaving. he's gone after the tax cuts have been enacted and i know personally from speak with the kochs and the representatives that as early as january they started to become very uncomfortable, they started to pick up whiffs of the protectionism that was about to come with the tariffs and the trade wars and were very concerned about this, so they've been kind of in this position for several months. not surprising they would come out at this point, that they are comparing this to depression-era tariffs and trade protectionism. but i do think this is significant because, joe, so many times we've sat in this chair and talked about what is it going to take the republicans to stand up to trump. well all along it's been who behind them. it's been the donors threatening them on the tax cuts, for instance. the donors have outsize influence over a lot of these
republican representatives. so i do think that this is an important moment, and a potential change, and strategy that could, could show some fractures in the party because donors are so powerful in this party. >> it's a great point to make. by the way, i know the koch network is still working with the white house when it comes to criminal justice reform, but willy the president launching this war against the kochs this morning, you wonder where paul singer is going to be, where other republican donors will be. because heidi is right, the only thing that these republican candidates would fear more than donald trump's wrath are a lot of traditionally republican donors saying you're just not conservative any more, i'm cutting off the spicket. >> donald trump doesn't consider any of that when he sends out a tweet like that. as heidi points out they did not
support donald trump financially. they sat out the 2016 election. he never forgot that. they came out the koch brothers and criticized him about the muslim ban. steve bannon talked about the koch brothers quote shut up and get with the program. steve bannon to the koch brothers. but this is at the end of the day for the koch brothers about trade. this is what pushed them over the top, the idea that trade somehow bad which is the message that president trump put out there. they see these tariffs, the bail out of the farmers as fundamentally contradictory to everything they stand for. so they say of course we'll back republicans as we always have but we also might back a democrat who stands up to things like this. >> that's great. free trade, immigration, they have been drivers of american economic success. so trump is all about cultural republicanism. these guys are much more about
classic economic republicanism, a small state and openness which again has been the real engines of america's success. great to see people standing up to this. >> thank you all for being on this morning. coming up -- all right you two. >> let the past be the past. >> exactly what i've been trying to say for 2000. donald trump's new defense strategy in the mueller probe is not new. but it continues. utter confusion. we'll have the dizzying new comments from the president's lawyer rudy giuliani, plus from fire and fury to a meeting with no preconditions the president sets the stage for a north korea style shift with iran. we'll talk about that ahead on "morning joe". and packages. and it's also a story about people. people who rely on us every day to deliver their dreams they're handing us more than mail they're handing us their business and while we make more e-commerce deliveries
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>> that ted cruz's father was part of the assassination plot along with lee harvey oswald. he's just citing a report what people say. i know you worked for ted cruz so i'm not going to have you answer this question, but i'm just saying, just -- >> it's true. >> an announcement -- okay, good. an announcement to anybody out there, if you accuse my father of assassinating the president and then make fun of my wife and say she's ugly, all i can say is duck. not only duck today, duck tomorrow and duck every day for the rest of your life because i'm going to be coming after you every day and either you're going to be finished politically or i'll be finished politically and chances are good i'll have a lot more hate in me --
>> oh, my lord, no hate in your heart. >> you're reduced to dust. that said that's shocking i'm looking past a guy that worked for him. i'm looking at you walter. how shock that ted cruz is to donald trump after donald trump accused his father of being a part of the assassination of jfk and suggested that ted cruz's wife was ugly. >> the obsequitous of republican leaders to donald trump is something history will be baffled about. you go up and down the line. as you said earlier in the show there were times as a republican you had to stand up to a republican president, whatever. the fact that nobody will stand up to him shows that they care more about their primary than they do -- >> the example you bring up with ted cruz, it's taken to the lowest level. he wrote the piece in "time"
magazine -- >> for donald trump. for time 100. >> i would write the piece too but i would say something else. >> it's just your father. what's the big deal? >> go down the list of republicans, only those retiring, like corker and flake are standing up. >> here's the problem, though, howard decent -- i've noticed some people who are retiring, to borrow a term i've already borrowed a term from walter isaacson and others are borrowing regularly, even those retiring are going to be lobbyists. they won't say anything negative about donald trump even when it has to do with u.s. foreign policy that has tied this country together with our allies for 70 years. >> the political system is broken. i'm going to blame the republicans but i'm sure the democrats have some skin in this
program. you see a total lack of statesmanship. we see goldwater and nixon and you can even get the republicans to vote against trump. susan collins has no business for voting for brett kavanaugh and she's going to do it. it's ridiculous. no willingness to stand up for your constituents. it's all about being re-elected. it's only about being re-elected not about exercising the mandate that the voters gave them to do something. >> which you would think is an incredible opportunity for the democrats. we'll get to that. >> we're not so much better. >> i need to ask, willy, if somebody attacked your father and your wife and i'm dead serious at nbc news, the way that donald trump attacked ted cruz's father and wife, would you ever work with him? would you ever write a time 100 piece about saying how great
they are. >> i would not go out of my way. i understand on the one hand he's a republican senator who wants to get things done and may require the support of the united states, but on a personal level i wouldn't do all these other things and lavish him with praise in the way ted cruz has. to the governor's point. remember we had mark sanford the day after he lost his primary. what did he say when i asked him what was your advice to republicans running this fall? he said simply pledge allegiance to donald trump. so whpeople are scared for thei jobs. >> fear and quivering. >> they are quivering. >> as opposed to some back bone, some spine and some belief that you put country ahead. >> really quickly as a public service announcement, i mean this for kids who are running, who we think they want to get into politics at some point, i'm dead serious. nothing sells. nothing sells with voters like
being yourself. for standing up against something that everybody thinks you need to fall behind. voters love independents. i know you've seen it before. >> it's conviction politics. it's what they like. >> conviction politics. i'm telling you, when gingrich was man of the year, and he was supposedly the most powerful -- go after him every time. and constituents would say why are you doing it? i would explain it one, two, three at a town hall meeting. okay. got it. you can do it. >> that's why we love stories like "profiles in courage," the kennedy book. >> also with us for the conversation, we have staff writer for "the atlantic," an nbc news and msnbc contributor. good to have you on board. the intros are not happening today, joe, just not happening. but i will get to the news. >> we do know each other.
>> president trump's lawyer rudy giuliani is not ruling out the possibility of a second 2016 meeting about russians peddling dirt to traufump campaign. something he raised then denied in television appearances yesterday. giuliani said he was heading off a story from the "new york times" quoting from the report he said journalists included maggie haberman. giuliani said he and trump attorney spent a great deal of time on sunday trying to run the story down. giuliani said he believes he managed to shut it down and how to kill the story but yet speculated -- >> you're using your outside voice again. >> the journalists found other reasons not run the item. maggie haberman said i lost the thread of what the former mayor is talking about.
[ laughter ] >> not the only one. in his third and final fox interview, if you call it an interview, giuliani backed off his flat out denials senior trump aides discussed the russian's offer in an earlier meeting. >> there wasn another meeting that hasn't been made public. three days before. according to cohen or according to the leak he says there was a meeting with donald jr., with jared kushner, with paul manafort, with gates and possibly two others in which they out of the presence of the president discussed the meeting with the russians. we checked with their lawyers, the ones we could check with, the four of the six. that meeting never ever took place. it didn't happen. there's no second meeting here? >> it's highly unlikely.
i have to leave the opening open as a lawyer in case they come across with something that startles us or we feel is important. >> natasha, giuliani introduced this meeting in the morning on cnn and over the course of the dave he says there was another meeting three days before and then at night he said i'm telling you that meeting did not take place, it never happened. again having a debate with himself. the most salient line of all his interviews, quote, nobody can be sure of anything. do you know anything about this other meeting he's talking about? >> it certainly makes sense. i want to step back. i think this is really now it shows it's very obvious the trump team strategy is to get ahead of stories because if it's true that the "new york times" was planning to release a story about this june 7th meeting that occurred two days before the trump tower meeting then that's obviously what giuliani was trying to get ahead of and that's what he told the "daily beast" last night. we don't know if this meeting
took place yet but that seems that would make complete sense given up to everything we know the days leading up to the trump tower, the famous speech that donald trump gave about hillary clinton, the dirt that he's previewing about hillary clinton and her ties to russia and her work at the state department was that night, paul unanimous fortfort -- manafort and jared kushner were with him when he gave that speech at that rally that night. it's very obvious what happened here and donald trump learned about it on june 7th the meeting and probably approved it and gave the go ahead and i couldn't resist bragging about it that night. >> i'm not a real lawyer but i played one in law firms for about five or six years. and the thing that was most fascinating is when you would be around somebody that was a great trial lawyer, and you did discovery and everybody started pulling pieces together, there
was always, always the most exciting thing to see would be a great timeline coming together. and i got to say, of all the cases that a lot of prosecutors i talked to have ever seen, the timeline that is coming together in this case against donald trump, against don jr., against all of them, whether you're talking about the proactive statement on air force one, go back to the campaign where donald trump on the very day said russians if you're listening go after these 33,000 emails, the russians start working on it that day. the timeline from beginning to end is pretty extraordinary, and it's going to look very stark inside a courtroom. >> so, i think that rudy giuliani has the same crisis communication correspond school online that carter page did.
you're absolutely right. because the public communication on how this is going, i mean giuliani is incoherent. i don't know from one day -- >> what's going on. you were communication director -- what's he doing. >> nothing we learn. you would say normally, okay, this is wrong, go out and clean this up. then you go out and clean it up. reporters report it and the story dies. they don't do that. they go out and confuse it more and confuse it top of that. giuliani talks about what you would not normally talk about. all lawyers would like to preserve a defending for future use. that's what they do. except he talks about it. i told sean hannity, well i don't want to say -- i have to keep that open as an option in case his client lied or it is revealed as we've seen all along which was pointed out this morning. it keeps advancing. no we met with no russians.
we might have met with russians. we did meet with the russians. there was no collusion. there might have been collusion. there's no crime. it is a crime. collusion and conspiracy are interchangeable words. >> incredible. devaluing the truth. >> look what rudy giuliani is doing and mumbling words and doing a great disservice for his client. look what his client is doing. he's just babbling. michael cohen is hurting to get a plea deal by having lanny davis go out and put it all out there in the immortal words of the fantastic mr. forks it's amateur night in dixie. >> it's bad. michael cohen has stopped looking for smoke signals from the white house. >> i want to pick up on your point about the timeline. while all this is going on, this is noise they are creating, mueller is putting together a timeline and it has real dates and real witnesses and real logs and real evidence about what
actually occurred. so -- >> by the way donald trump may not care about what the facts are. he may be in the white house that talks about an alternate version of facts. 91% of republicans may be the same way. bob mueller cares about facts and so do the judges deciding these cases. >> meanwhile, walter, you have rudy who is not just -- clearly is going rogue on the white house press office and just calling up his mega phone to make an announcement on fox news, not to be grilled in anyway or given a tough question in anyway, allowed to make announcements and then change those announcements and then devalue the truth, transform the truth, change the facts, bring in more alternative facts what ever you want to do, whatever he chooses. what's the point of the press briefing at this point? the white house press briefing where reporters wait every day to try to understand what's
happening in this white house, to try to understand what's happening in this world, to try and get closer to the facts? >> you're right. giuliani is totally unhinged. he has been for a while. what he's doing, as rick said, is undermining the case so badly that i don't know why they are allowing it. there's no control at the white house. it's not just the press briefing, the chief of staff, general kelly, these are probably people who would like to reassert control but can't. on the final point i'll make is we really have to give respect to bob mueller at the moment. robert mueller, despite all these incoming missiles and attacks so methodically, carefully kept his eye on the ball and laying things out, doing it in a way that makes it clear this is no witch-hunt, not leaking, you know -- giuliani is leaking the possibility of a meeting that he says might leak.
but mueller is a man of deep and true integrity and the attacks on him are appalling. >> you know, willy, while the reason why robert mueller doesn't care what rudy giuliani or the freedom caucus or donald trump say is donald trump is playing ping pong in queens with his phone spurs, mueller was running through the jungles of vietnam and saving men there, and came back highly decorated guy. could have cashed in and made tons of money but he dedicated his life to public service. he's the antithesis of donald trump in every way. >> robert mueller is not listening to this noise. he's not watching rudy giuliani on fox three times contradicting himself. when you hear rudy giuliani the other day say robert mueller doesn't have a damn thing. rudy giuliani doesn't have a damn idea what robert mueller has and neither of us eritrea.
it didnoesn't appear the presid of the united states objects to the way rudy giuliani defends him. remember during the stormy daniels payment story of a couple months ago giuliani told a couple different versions of that story. he's the kind of guy, new york guy that creates this fog machine that donald trump likes. >> right, exactly. it's unclear whether there's any coordination going on outside of donald trump and giuliani. i think giuliani mentioned he had discussed this potential story leaking with jay sekulow who was a tv lawyer going out and being the pr person for the president last year, anyway. this is -- i want to go back to the timeline for a continue that rick talked about because i think that's really, really important to judge whether or not this meeting is likely to have occurred. i think that this -- knowing a pre-planning meeting happened, knowing the trump campaign was very eager to get this dirt on hillary clinton has to be looked at from the perspective of,
okay, well the campaign actually already knew or at least one member of the campaign already knew rurchs had dirt on clinton in the form of thousands of emails. remember george papadopoulos had been told by russia linked foreign national that the russians did have this dirt on clinton. so if you use common sense and if you say it's very likely that papadopoulos told the campaign about these emails beforehand and you look at their eagerness and willingness to accept this meeting with the russians on promise to obtain dirt on hillary clinton and don jr. didn't seem surprised at all, that it makes total sense they would be very, very eager to take this meeting and that donald trump himself would be in on it. >> the "wall street journal" editorial board south with a new op-ed entitled trump's lose the house strategy. it reads in part mr. trump might
not welcome the democratic house but he also might not fear it as long as republicans keep the senate. even more than most politicians mr. trump always needs a foil and speaker nancy pelosi would be from central political casting. mr. trump could cut deals with democrats on paid family leave, public work spending and trade protectionism. house democrats could start up the impeachment machinery and once under way the momentum would be hard to stop. but as long as he's safe from conviction by the senate mr. trump might figure he can benefit from a backlash against impeachment the way bill clinton did. the president may think a democratic house may improve his chance for re-election as
independents conclude he's the only barrier to a left wing government led by elizabeth warren. that's pretty insightful. >> i do not read "wall street journal" op-ed. haven't read it for 30 years. that's very interesting thinking. >> so on point. i mean, this is exactly what could happen. i don't think trump's support is not there. >> the interesting thing is what it captures is trump's amorality. trump has no loyalty to anybody but himself. >> but how do you feel about that, that's a reality that could play out, whether he's moral or not. >> but you're right. the fact that he's so amoral -- >> the thing about the republican party -- >> he's a democrat. >> please. a democrat -- please. you mortally wound me. >> gave money to the dnc when you were there? >> i don't think so. if he did -- >> that wasn't a fair question.
he always gave money to the dnc. >> i never called him, that's for sure. >> a lot of democrats did. >> i actually don't think -- i think trump may be thinking that's what i thought was insightful. this is a mirror into the thinking of a csociopath. there's a little we hate nancy pelosi in there. >> but nancy pelosi would make a good, a good counter point. >> you can say anything a lot. you can say anything about nancy pelosi but one thing she's not stupid. she's a smart political operative and smart enough to know whatever her numbers may be, unlike many people in washington, she's not driven by ego that needs to put her in front of the television cameras every day. if she thought that was a possibility she would be much lower profile. >> my only problem with that
editorial is that it's 7:21 on july 31st, you know what donald trump is thinking about? 7:22. it's true. >> that could happen by default. >> second of all, mika, i don't think democrats will impeach trump unless there's a real reason to do it. hating donald trump is not a reason to impeach him. i think manafort, i mean the manafort trial will be an enormous problem for donald trump. and that is a piece of the puzzle that is, in fact, connected to the collusion. really clear -- we're all acquainted with trump's m.o. in new york. there's no chance that donald trump, his total top down command control is the way he runs. no chance he didn't know about the meeting. good chance he sat in on one of the meetings with the russians.
>> the guy knew everything. that's how he ran the campaign. it was a mom and pop operation without a mom. he knew absolutely everything that was going on. but, if you just look at the history of it, it is true, walter, that -- we can go back to 2010, tea party comes in, in essence re-elects by overreaching re-elects barack obama in 2012, we all got elected in '94, overreached, got bill clinton re-elected in 1996. this happens all the time. and there is no doubt for donald trump's re-election, nancy pelosi, speaker of the house is much better than a republican because right now he's blaming the democrats for not being able to build the wall. republicans are in charge. >> you know, he would swing -- this is why he goes and meets with north koreans. begs the iranians to meet with
him. he would certainly sort of play with the house democrats and i think that, you know, he would change his stripes as he's often done. the weird thing about it, though, i think natasha had a wonderful line which is tv lawyers. i mean people who aren't real lawyers but the giulianis and lanny davis that's out there for tv. this is what happens when you're not sort of having a strategy for the long run, and you're just dancing for the 7:22:00 a.m., 7:23 a.m. tweets you're going to do. >> howard decent thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe" it's clear that the russians used social media to attack the american election. but it doesn't stop there. natasha has new reporting on how moscow has now weaponized the american court system against the kremlin's enemies. she'll take us through her new reporting on that. an update on the start of paul manafort's criminal trial. you're watching "morning joe".
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the first trial in the special counsel probe kicks off with paul manafort. he's accused of hiding $30 million he made before his days with trump as an unregistered foreign lobbyist for ukraine and it's former pro russian president. the prosecution plans to call 35 witnesses including agents from the fbi, treasury department and irs to show how manafort allegedly stashed his wealth in overseas banks to avoid paying u.s. taxes. joining us now, washington bureau chief susan page and former assistant u.s. attorney in the southern district of new york. good morning. what should we be looking for? give us a preview of the
manafort trial. >> this will be a classic fraud trial in many ways but for the fact that manafort is a high-profile defendant and a lot of attention on it for ext extraneous reasons. he made a lot of money, spent lavishly. the trial will be very dry and burglary. when gates was the that will be the most compelling interesting part to the rest of the world. but, you know, it's a strong case. i think there's a very good chance that he's going to get convicted. always hard to make those predictions. opening arguments, which will be after jury selection which can take a couple of days in a trial like this, the opening arguments will be to lay out both the government's case in a nutshell, and what some of the defenses might be which are hard to see right now what those might be.
>> manafort is interesting because he was obviously donald trump's campaign chairman. this trial has to do with before he had that relationship with donald trump. do you see a nexus here at all of the russian investigation and what this trial is about? >> i think the "new york times" headline was perfect, actually how it's not explicitly part of the trial but looming over it. the prosecutors have promised the judges, this is a no nonsense judge and he wants to keep the russian investigation out of this. manafort has asked to barney mention of the fact that he was even trump's campaign manager. that was granted with the exception there was one bank loan where the person who loaned him the money was basically offered a job on the campaign in exchange. i believe it's going to come in through that. but, no. i don't -- there's not going to be explicit talk about it. the real issue is in the jurors. and this was manafort asked for the trial to be moved to another location. that was denied. as i think it should have been
because it's a very tricky thing to try and find jurors who can be completely impartial in any case. everybody brings their own biases to any trial. maybe they don't like the police. maybe they were a victim of a crime and think any defendant who was charged must be guilty. so prosecutors and judges and defense attorneys are always trying to weed out biases like that. here that's going to be even harder, because we're in such a politically charged divisive time, and so even if the campaign, the fact that he worked for trump is not explicitly part of the trial it may be in the back of jurors' head. you do run the risk, if i were a prosecutor i would be worried about jury nullificationullific decid deciding the case other than on the facts of the case.
>> i wonder how important the outcome of this or even the revelations along the way are to the mueller probe? >> you know, i think this is an important test for robert mueller as well as something of really consequential problems for paul manafort and that's because this is the first trial from charges he brought as special counsel. if he has a trial that seems very authoritative and feels like a strong case and paul manafort is convicted it makes it harder for critics of robert mueller to say he's on a witch-hunt. this is one more example of the consequences of the meticulous investigation that he's done. of course, we've been waiting to see if it's possible paul manafort might be pressured to cooperate in the probe that does have something to do about russia, about collusion and obstruction of justice and that's something that could be an outcome of this trial even if it's never mentioned in courtroom. >> you and "usa today" have been checking in with your trump
panel to see how they feel about the state of affairs in washington. does russia register with them, more or less now than it used to and more broadly how are they feeling about president trump? >> it's interesting because some of the trump voters that we've been talking to think russia did meddle. some think they didn't. they believe that the assertions that president trump has made in opposition to the conclusions of his intelligence agencies, we found some trump voters do view russia as an enemy not as a competitor. some of them were a little uncomfortable with that press conference with vladimir putin. but this has not shaken their support in donald trump or their faith in him. they are -- ias though the attacks against donald trump just make him stronger with them. they see him as standing up for the things he said he was going to do in the campaign on things like that, even building the wall and shutting down the government as a threat to do it, something that shows he's doing
what they said he'll do. he's pursuing the issues that prompted them to vote for him. >> your latest piece for "the atlantic" how russias punish dicy dent using u.s. courts. how russia has weaponized red notices and the u.s. judicial system against its enemies. tell us more about that. >> yeah. over the course of my reporting i found ice as been detaining asylum seekers on the basis of these red notices which is not an arrest warrant but the closest thing to an international arrest warrant that exists today. russia is the top abuser of interpol in terms of issuing these red notices which are politically motivated. what i.c.e. is doing is cracking down on visa overstays and using that as jumping off point as an
excuse to detain these individuals who are then denied bond hearings because of these red notices that have been issued by russia against primarily dissidents and kremlin rivals. the red notices are being given a lot of weight by the department of homeland security even though they have no independent value of their own. sign court filings, for example, the dhs has argued that arrest warrants issued by russia are valid because of the red notice that has been put out by interpol which, of course, only require that russia fills out the right form. interpol and red notices have no independent value of their own. what we're seeing these people are detained and are kept in detention and ultimately they are facilitating these back door extraditions because the u.s. does not have an extradition
treaty with russia. lawyers have been appealing that decision because their argument is that these individuals would essentially be sent to their doom if they were sent back to russia, but it is -- it is kind of a way to facilitate these back door extraditions which is a disconnect that we don't have an extradition treaty with russia because we don't trust their system of justice. >> natasha, thank you very much. still ahead on "morning joe" -- >> i will have mexico pay for that wall. mark my words. mexico will pay for the wall. believe me. and whose going to pay for the wall? mexico. 100%. >> we heard that throughout the 2016 campaign but now trump is threatening to shut down
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security, after many, many years of talk within the united states, i would have no problem doing a shutdown. it's time we had proper border security. we're the laughingstock of the world. we have the worst immigration laws anywhere in the world. i would be certainly willing to consider a shutdown if we don't get proper border security. >> is the funding of the border wall wait until after the mid-term elections? >> probably. that's something we do have a disagreement on. >> you're not worried about a government shut down? >> no that's not going to happen. >> i twhohink it would be bad politics for the republican party. we would get blamed. there's a way to get wall funding and deal with the daca population. >> if the president wants to shut down the government, that's his prerogative.
i think it would be a mistake and i don't think it would be necessary. >> president trump and republicans on capitol hill at odds over whether a shut down over immigration border wall funding should be on the table. joining us now a member of the judiciary committee, senator hirono. there's a hearing on child separations at the border this morning. senator, thanks for being with us. i want to get your view on this idea of a government shutdown, the president who for years has promised mexico would pay for it. now says he'll shut down the government if democrats and republicans in the senate don't agree to pay for it. what's your reaction? >> the president could have gotten his border wall funding months ago when he was presented with a bipartisan bill to protect the 800,000 daca participants and he kept saying he would sign such a bill and he did not. so the president says a lot of things. he changes his mind. he governs by chaos, which he
mainly creates himself. >> senator, is there something you would offer, put on the table in a larger package for border security? >> i think we should have impressive comprehensive immigration reform. i don't hear him talking about daca that he created a huge vulnerability for. the president goes from issue to issue. it's always about himself all time every time. he throws red meat to his base every time he feels threatened or insecure. that's something we can couldn't on from him. >> he came back and said let's take care of the daca kids if you give me border wall funding what would you say? >> i remember the meeting i participated in where he said send me a bipartisan bill i'll sign it. by the time we got back to our offices that was off the table. so how can we even couldn't on this president to maintain his position on anything? as i said the one thing we can
couldn't on is when he feels threatened he'll go on attack and continue to throw red meat. one of the red meat is always to attack immigrants. >> i want to get to the hearing we advertised the judiciary committee on which you sit will have a hearing on family he new if i if i occasion efforts. incredible outrage, well founded outrage and confusion, frankly about why these families have not been reunited. what do you hope to find out today >> we'll find out why some 7/eleven children have been deemed ineligible to be reunited with their parents. what happened to the 400 children whose parents are already deported. what about some 40 children they don't even know where the parents or who the parents are. so this is total chaos. we need to find out specifically what do you have in mind, how do you plan to reunite these people. i find it incredible in the
hearing before the judge, thank goodness this judge in san diego is keeping the administration's feet to the fire, is to, for them to say well we did it, we accomplished what we needed to do in your time frame and yet there are 7/eleven or so of these children who are deemed ineligible to be reunited. really what constitutes ineligibility to reuniting these traumatized children with their parents. >> walter? >> i want to raise this to a larger issue because when you said trump was willing to accept a bipartisan bill and maybe calm down the immigration thing, and he reverses himself, he does so because he's so infected the republican party with an anti-immigrant sentiment that he got backlash from republicans. do you see any way that you and the senate which is supposed to be the deliberative body could be working with republicans and maybe could spill over to the house to sort of say we can
actually do a bipartisan thing without the right-wing of the republican party rebelling against that? >> there's always hope. as i said the senate actually had a bill. this was about the fourth iteration of a bipartisan bill that we thought the president would be willing to go along with because that's what he said he would do. you know, i look at it is the senate is the one body and while it would being a great for the house to wake up to their responsibilities, i think that we should do what we need to do in the senate to pass a bipartisan bill, which we came up with. so, i'm hopeful that we can do that again. but at the same time if we wait around for the president to make up his mind what he deems acceptable, we should live so long. that's my attitude. >> senator hirono of hawaii. report back to us after that meeting. so let's bring in susan page right now.
saw san, let's talk about the politics of this. hearing today, obviously a lot of fireworks, got democrats that to abolish i.c.e. and you also have a lot of people wondering where these remaining children are and why the trump administration lost them. >> this is one of those issues that divides the american public along the lines that have become pretty familiar since the election of donald trump as president. this is something that is moving suburban, better educated suburban voters towards the democratic party and as it solidified trump's support among his core supporter. we've been talking this morning about president trump, now rules a new republican party. that's not only because of the issues he's presented, it's because he's changing some of the demographic nature of the republican party and i thought david wasserman made a smart
point yesterday when he said one of the things going for democrats in the mid-term election better educated voters are more likely to vote. that has been a good thing for republicans in mid-terms. this time it's going to be a good thing for democrats because these are the kind of voters that have been in the past predominantly republican but disturbed and moved away from the gop because of issues like these family separation policies. >> i want to ask you something, the reality of separating children. seems to me that the administration may have run afoul of current law. talk about the aspects of separating immigrants from children, is there a criminality there? >> i think extreme view of it that some people have taken is that it's akin to kidnapping. i think that is pretty extreme. i don't think anyone would
actually pursue that theory of criminal liability. it talks to the point of this is unheard of before. the way in which childrenbeing, ripped from their parents' hands and the real -- the issue about the laws is whether children will be held in some kind of custody. you know, that's what the trump administration tried to challenges and undo, was that children until recent -- under the law now cannot be held in jail basically for any extended period of time. so that was -- that, combined with this unprecedented policy of prosecuting every immigrant that came over the border regardless of the circumstances, you know, which had never been done -- >> or their legal status, if they were seeking asylum. >> exactly. >> is there more that judges can do? i know some judges are being tough, but it seems to me that the only help for these children
are these judges who can start holding the administration in contempt if they don't start moving faster. >> right. and you see this over and over, both in the immigration front and, frankly just to circle it back for a second, in the -- with the, quote, witch-hunt. you see judges over and overlooking at the facts, looking at the law and holding this administration accountable in a way nobody else either seems willing or able to do. so, yes, i think the judges in the immigration world right now are sort of the unsung heroes because they are trying to enforce deadlines that they've set that the trump administration, you know, there are very low consequences if they ignore them. you know, i think we'll see more of that going forward. >> mimi, great to have you at the table. thanks so much. coming up on "morning joe", the latest by the push by some republicans to impeach the deputy attorney general, the effort that has the support of the third ranking house republican, majority whip steve
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walter, kwifrg quislings, it will be used moving forward. what are your final thoughts? >> i was watching that congressman i know well from the new orleans area, steve scalise, talking about -- disappointing to me. republicans used to be very much about the rule of law, about law. here you have a deputy attorney general who is a republican appointed by a republican with a special prosecutor who has served this nation -- >> who is a republican. >> and they're methodically laying out a case. when you talk about quislings,
that's where you really, really cross the line, is when you are no longer in favor of the rule of law. >> my question is what do people in louisiana -- the good people in louisiana, the good people in northwest florida, the good people in this country, what do they think when their representative is trying to stop, derail an investigation that actually benefits vladimir putin, the stopping of that investigation and his interference in american democracy? it is that simple. we have the evidence. >> you know, i have been down living in new orleans now. it is surprising how things are beginning to turn among conservative republican business leaders. >> yes. >> and that's where you are getting a bit of a divide between the sort of hard-core trump supporters that have nailed russia. i don't get it. >> by the way, look at the polls. they have announced they've become pro russia, pro putin compared to where they were a
couple of years ago. >> used to be for the rule of law, used to be for standing up to russia, used to be for free trade, used to be for balanced budget. >> used to be. walter isaacson, thank you so much. still ahead, rudy guilliani muddies the water again in the special council probe, revealing the possibility of a second meeting it trump campaign officials regarding russians offering dirt on hillary clinton. we will go through his latest cable news rambling session straight ahead. "morning joe" coming right back. d age-related macular degeneration, amd, i wanted to fight back. my doctor and i came up with a plan. it includes preservision. only preservision areds 2 has the exact nutrient formula recommended by the national eye institute to help reduce the risk of progression of moderate to advanced amd. that's why i fight. because it's my vision. preservision. also, in a great-tasting chewable.
the president's made it clear through his tweet and there was nothing as far as we know that would lead anyone to believe that there was anything except for discussion about adoption. >> looking back on it. i think donald trump jr. would tell you it wasn't the right thing to do but it wasn't a big deal because nothing came of the meeting sfw meeting. >> if he's proven to have not told the truth that campaigns look for dirt. there are some things in politics you take for granted. >> i have been looking at the federal code trying to find collusion as a crime. >> it is not. >> collusion is not a crime. >> there's so much going on there. i mean there's the lie, there's the lie that the president of the united states actually concocted on air force one when his lawyers weren't around, where he said it was about adoption. so they were all trotted out and they lied about that. so, you know, it was all about adoption.
and then, of course, we find out that the president did lie about that. >> correct. >> and that he was the one that actually drafted the lie. but then you actually go on and i've got to say -- and i see my good friend jim who was such a sucker, he would regularly taken negative stories written about me and put them on the front page of roll call. >> oh, no. >> it is so great to see you back. >> it is ridiculous. >> my life is like one rolling déjà vu. >> i don't remember it though. you know -- >> you let these little resentments pileup. >> no, i don't. very nixonian. my middle name is millhouse. anyway, so darrell issa, i've heard darrell issa say it now. who is the other republican said it? oh, dana rorhbach. of course, he said it in russian so it took me a couple of hours to get the exact translation. >> right. >> but both of those guys said
everybody would take dirt from a foreign power who is an enemy. i can tell you, if somebody from the republic of iran said we have dirt on your opponent, again, i have said it before, you knew like stafford, you know. you knew rachel, all of my chief of starts, bart, they would have immediately picked up the phone and called the fbi. >> right. >> immediately. there's no question! you see somebody run over, you're going over to vote at the capital, by a car, you would immediately call the police, call 911. >> it is the moving of -- which has been -- >> first, for trump supporters answer me that question. >> right. >> would anybody other than donald trump do this? have you ever heard of anybody in all of your years on capitol hill taking dirt from foreign enemies? >> well, no.
not only wouldn't they, i think everyone would respond exactly -- democrat or republican -- the way you are talking about. i think it is always the moving of the goalpost, right. it is always saying first, we never had any contact with the russians. okay, maybe we did. we never had any collusion with the russians. okay, maybe there was some collusion. even if there was collusion, it is not a crime. the next one will be, if it is a crime everyone does it. i will say you see it is contagious. not just trump does it but trump supporters to it in congress, and then the trump true believers who are the voters do it. that's why he has this mesmerizing power over the party. >> right. >> where people look to him for truth. they see his truth superior to their family's truth. >> yeah. we'll talk about that in a minute. but, mika, that's it, where they lie about the meeting, then they lie and say everybody would do it, and now we've gotten to the point of even if he did lie. >> uh-huh. >> big deal, it is not a crime.
and then guilliani said, he finishes it by saying, well, my client didn't commit a crime, but if my client committed a crime it wasn't a crime. >> well, this is them reacting to what seems to be just coming out like a waterfall day by day by day and deflecting. usually trying to, like, transform world events to deflect against whatever is going on. heidi przybyla is with us as well. you see richard and along with willie, joe and me. we will get to our top story, which is that, president trump's lawyer, rudy guilliani is not ruling out the possibility of a second meeting in 2016 about russians peddling dirt to the trump campaign. >> come on, come on. >> honestly, his family should step in. >> throw grandpa from the train, all right. he needs to go home. >> that was a good movie, by the way. >> the family needs to step in. someone needs to step in. you know what, just let it ride. >> remember when ferris buehler,
save ferris. somebody close to rudy needs to take him home. >> if you are interviewing rudy, you really need to be embarrassed if you don't have a follow-up that makes sense. i watched a couple of the interviews, and it has been painful. i'm sorry. it's pathetic. >> i don't know -- >> at some point you need to get your self-respect back. >> i thought one was actually good. >> really? >> that's all they had. do you like purple? >> i love the laughing nervously, wondering how they can let him get away with it because it is so obviously painful. >> anyhow, that's a five-minute wind up for us to give you the news. i did four-and-a-half. let's go. >> numerous television appearances yesterday by rudy guilliani. he told "the daily beast" last night he was heading off a story from "the new york times." quoting from the report, guilliani said that journalists included maggie haberman who reached out to the alleged premeeting meeting. guilliani said he and trump
attorney jay sekulow spent a great deal of time on sunday trying to run the story down. he says he believes they managed to, quote, shut it down and helped kill the story, yet speculated the journalists found other reasons not to run the item. for her part, maggie haberman said we don't talk about source but i have lost the thread of what the mayor is talking about. yet in his third and final interview yesterday. >> it was like a trilogy. >> guilliani rambled on and out without much follow-up at all. he backed off his flatout denials that senior trump aides discussed the russian's offer in an earlier meeting. >> there was another meeting that has been leaked but hasn't been public yet. >> okay. >> that was a meeting, an alleged meeting three days before according to cohen or according to the leak. he says it was a meeting with
donald jr., with jared kushner, with paul manafort, with gates and possibly two others in which they out of the presence of the president discussed meeting with the russians. we checked with their lawyers, the ones we could check with, which was four of the six. that meeting never, ever took place. it didn't happen. >> there's no -- there's no second meeting here? >> it is highly unlikely. i always have to leave the option open as a lawyer in case they come across something that really startles us or fills some of the things that we feel are important. >> what's he saying? what's he saying? run that clip again. >> actually, listen to the words. try and listen to exactly what he is saying. >> i was trying. what is he saying here? >> well, we'll hear it. let's look at it again. maybe it will make sense. >> here we go. >> there's no second meeting here? >> it is highly unlikely. i always have to leave the
option open as a lawyer in case they come across with something that really startles us or feels some of the things we feel are important. >> another round. >> i think willie can translate. >> what a journey. >> a friend of mine, my drinks are free. >> rudy guilliani is debating himself. >> yeah, he is debating himself. >> so in the morning on cnn, he raised the idea of the second meeting. that came out of the blue to a lot of people. they said, what second meeting? he put that on the table, he says to preempt a "new york times" story we haven't seen yet and maggie haberman says, i don't know what he's talking about. then 12 hours later on "fox news" he's shooting town the idea he raised earlier on cnn. it is all in his -- >> he was killing a story he single-handedly brought to life. >> none of us were talking about the story. he's talking about the story. he says, again, we shoot it down just in case we don't know about
something -- they know whether they the it or not, mike. it is just like donald trump lying about adoption, getting everybody together on air force one to cover up the real meaning of the don jr. meeting, which don jr. said his father didn't know about. got a little perjury issue there if, in fact, we find out that donald trump -- all of these people say it is no big deal if donald trump knew about the meeting, it is a big deal for don jr. because he committed perjury if that's the case. but, you know, it is just like trump lying about that meeting means that something went on in that meeting that they wanted to hide, and now you've got rudy saying, well, but, you know, we're not going to say it didn't happen because we don't know if it did or not. well, yeah, they do know whether it happened or not. >> this is both incredibly taxing and incredibly tedious to have this put upon us this early in the day. i mean he begins one of those segments by talking about a meeting that took place, and in
the very same segment, in the very same 30-second clip we played he goes from there was a meeting that occurred that we wanted to get out to get ahead of the news on, and ten seconds later he is calling it an alleged meeting as if the meeting he just referred to didn't take place. i mean what time of night was he interviewed for that, that's my question? >> i don't know. >> there's that question. it is a good one. >> some of the worst of rudy guilliani i think i have ever seen. we need some glamour. come on, let's get some good shots of the guy. by the way, what is he doing with his ring. i have seen it for a couple of weeks. he is pulling at it or something. >> heidi, do we need to play it again? do you have any idea what he was saying and what would you follow-up have been had you interviewed him. >> i think we can play even more, because not only did he confirm a meeting none of us were talking about but he actually fleshed out some of the details in those meetings, which was that apparently michael cohen may have been in donald trump's office when don jr. came and said, hey, we're about to
meet with the russians, so he seemed to corroborate that. >> that's not good, is it? >> he also put gates potentially in the preplanning meeting, which would be huge if true, since as we all know gates -- rick gates, who is paul manafort's business partner, has been cooperating with the special counsel for several months, which means we don't have to rely just on michael cohen for this information, that rick gates may have confirmed it and mueller may have known about it for a long time. but the bottom line is that what we're seeing here is that the number of conspiratorial meetings around the russians is increasing and so are the trump officials who participated in these meetings. >> coming up, when stormy daniels hit the headlines president trump was all about north korea. with michael cohen on the front pages, suddenly a meeting with iran sounds good to the president. we are going to talk about the
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chair is accused of hiding at least $30 million that he made before his days with trump as an unregistered foreign lobbyist for ukraine and its former pro-russian president many we are told the prosecution plans to call 35 witnesses including agents from the fbi, treasury department and irs to show how manafort allegedly stashed his wealth in overseas banks to avoid paying u.s. taxes. last week a member of robert mueller's team said he does not anticipate a government witness will, quote, utter the word russia touring the trial. but if manafort is convicted the special counsel could use it as leverage for him to talk about anything he knows pertaining to the trump campaign and russia. the trial is expected to last about three weeks. manafort also faces a separate trial on similar charges in washington in september. >> you know, it is interesting. when everything seems to collide with donald trump and things start going really bad --
>> he deflects. >> he decides he's going the take a meeting with a group of tyrants. he did north korea. >> it is a playbook. >> it is a playbook. >> people made fun of us for saying it. >> with north korea at a particular time when stormy daniels was about to hit the front pages, he went there. now he is open to meetings with the iranians. i guess after this when he gets in trouble, i gesell 'talk ab-- guess he'll talk about meeting with the martians. let's take a look at the president. >> i would certainly meet with iran if they wanted to meet. i don't know if they're ready yet. they're having a hard time right now. but i ended the iran deal. it was a ridiculous deal. i to believe they will probably end up wanting to meet, and i'm ready to meet any time they want to. and i don't do that from strength or from weakness. i think it is an appropriate thing to do. if we could work something out that's meaningful, not the waste
of paper that the other deal was, i would certainly be willing to meet. >> do you have preconditions for that meeting? >> no preconditions, no. if they want to meet, i'll meet, any time they want. any time they want. it is good for the country, good for them, good for us, and good for the world. no preconditions. if they want to meet, i'll meet. >> so the reason why we needed, the world needed to have someone at the meeting with vladimir putin and donald trump is because in the past week or so since helsinki donald trump has, one, sent a signal that he wants to lift sanctions on an oligarch who's close to -- close to vladimir putin that we just put on a couple of months ago. and, two, now he is talking ben from a position of weakness, wanting to meet with iran. it is a complete 180 turn. there's very little actually to explain that, richard, but there
is a playbook for donald trump. threaten to bomb a terror state, say you want to meet with a terrorist state, and state. are we going to see what happened in north korea happen with iran now? >> almost certainly not. if the administration were serious about meeting with iran, they would have done it before they unilaterally got out of the nuclear deal that, by the way, iran was complying with. >> what if putin asked him to reach out to iran? >> the other reason, the iranians want no part of it. they're not going to sit down with somebody -- the secretary of state the other day gave a big speech essentially calming for regime change. the administration is ratcheting up sanctions. again, they got out of the nuclear deal, after the president said he would meet without preconditions, the national security council under the secretary of state started issuing the preconditions on nuclear issues, on how they're
treating their own people. >> you can look at what we're saying about north korea all along and you have donald trump declaring victory with north korea, when we find out now more ways they're cheating and, in fact, their nuclear program is more dangerous today, u.s. intelligence officials tell us, than it was when donald trump first started negotiating with the north koreans. >> there's a front page story in "the washington post" that says after last week's story about the nuclear program, now we learn their intercontinental missile program is continuing. the only word i take exception with is cheating. we don't know if north korea is cheating? why? because we don't know what the united states and north korea agreed to. if you look at the commune caiq that came out of the singapore summit, it was like a swiss cheese but we have had two summits. >> donald trump said americans could sleep at night, nuclear weapons were no longer a problem with noerpt. we know that's a lie. >> we know that's a lie and nothing like that was
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trade. i never sought their support because i don't need their money or bad ideas. they love my tax and regulation cuts, judicial picks and more. i made them richer. their network is highly overrated. i have beaten them at every turn. they want to protect their companies outside the u.s. from being taxed. i'm for america first and the american worker, a puppet for no one. >> my god. >> except for vlad. two nice guys with bad ideas. make america great again. god. >> i don't know where to start. >> there's a lot there. >> jim, first of all, would support donald trump, would support the protectionism. they obsess over government spending. they want not balanced budgets but rational budgeting.
you've got the biggest spending bills ever, trump going on the biggest trade war we've been at since herbert hoover was president. you could go down the list. economically there's really no reason for charles koch or libertarian, in his case a classical liberal, to support donald trump, is there? >> no, you outlined what the koch network stands for and it is more traditional republican party topics, regulation, taxation. even immigration he is in a different place than the president. i think charles koch probably likes this tweet because one of the things that the koch network is trying to do is rebrand itself. they know how radioactive they are in politics. david koch has basically stepped back from all political operations. charles koch is now sort of the leader of that organization, probably happy to have this. but, again, i think he is definitely speaking for a distinct minority.
it is the republican party as we know it right now, but certainly speaks for what we thought republicans stood for pretrump. >> heidi, they've always been very uncomfortable with some of the more hard-core republicans views on immigration. they've always been concerned about exploding military budgets, pentagon budgets, and they've always been concerned by protectionism. this was before trump, and i don't know that they had much of a choice but to do what they have done here if they want to stay true with what they believe in. by the way, donald trump can't make the kochs any more money than they already have or they already need. >> they never did like trump as you accurately point out. they didn't support him in 2016. they held out for quite a while and, yes, the issues range the gamut from the deficit spending to the muslim band.
charl koch w charles koch was on the record likening that to nazi-style racism. but here's the thing. mark short is tightly aligned with the koch network and he was right there in the white house as the legislative director, and they took away the crown jewel of their agenda, which was the tax cuts. so, surprise, surprise, now mark short is leaving. he's gone after the tax cuts have been enact, and i know personally from speaking with the kochs and the representatives that as early as january they started to become very uncomfortable. they started to pick up whiffs of the protectionism that was about to come with the tariffs and the trade wars and were very concerned about this. so they've been kind of in this position for several months. it is not surprising that they would come out at this point, that they are comparing this to kind of depression-era tariffs and trade protectionism. but i do think this is
significant because, joe, so many sometimes we've sat in this chair and talked about what is .that it is going to take for the republicans to kind of stand up to trump. well, all along it has been who behind them. it has been the donors threatening thm on the tax cuts for instance. the donors have outsize influence over a lot of the republican representatives, so i do think it is an important moment and a potential change in strategy that could, could show some fractures in the party just because the donors are so powerful in this party. >> still ahead, we'll talk about a new column that caught our eye. stephanie grace explains how throughout history only 19 officials have been impeached, yet somehow a group of republicans in congress think rod rosenstein deserves to be the 20th. steve scalise is now signing on to the idea. that's just ahead on "morning joe."
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if you look at what mark meadows and jim jordan and devin nunes have been doing, they've been fighting to get more information from the justice department and, frankly, it is mind boggling that justice won't comply. they ought to want to work with us to root out the bad apples, and if putting impeachment on the table is one more tool to get them to comply with the subpoenas from congress, we need to make sure they do their job and comply. >> if this came up for a vote, you would support them? you would vote yes? >> i would. >> house majority whip steve scalise speaking last week on "fox news." political columnist for the new orleans advocate stephanie grace writes about scalise on a new piece entitled, on rosenstein impeachment, steve scalise crosses the line. stephanie joins us now. with us, professor of political science and director of international studies at stanford university, former u.s. ambassador to russia, michael
mcfaul. he's also an nbc news analyst. senior writer at the weekly standard john mccormick is with us as well. stephanie, why is this the line? first of all, i guess i would start you off there. how would you be able to explain in terms of someone like steve scalise would understand that this is incredibly dangerous? >> well, i mean the first thing that hit me on seeing that is the line that i was a little surprised to see him cross. i've known steve ska lien for many years. he is very conservative. he is very much in line with the republican party. he is very much on the trump train, no question about that. but this is different. this is really, you know, for one thing breaking with the leadership, breaking with paul ryan who said, you know, really this is dangerous territory and really calling into question whether congress is going to -- where is the line?
you know, how far will congress go, the republican congress, to kind of help donald trump out in this situation? and it is interesting. i have been hearing from a lot of people who know steve scalise, like him, and they were -- they were disappointed. you know, the word that comes up sometimes is i thought he had more integrity than that. >> right. >> and -- >> it is a question that, you know, i might ask from my point of view, one might say, well, she -- she's on a different team so she's trying to fight for her side. but for republicans, for the party, why is this potentially -- i mean is there any scenario, stephanie, where this ends well? >> i mean it is hard to see where it ends at all. you know, when you look at impeachment, and you mentioned in the intro i looked back at how many people have been impeached in this country. obviously become. you know, the most recent one was a local judge from here in
the new orleans area, a federal judge who had a real trial before the senate. it was, you know, it was bribery, it was graft, it was sordid stuff but criminal behavior. that's what this is supposed to be. that's what impeachment is, and the trial -- you know, one thing i learned watching it is there are a bunch of senators who are former prosecutors because it was a trial, very much like what you would see in court. i cover louisiana politics so i have been in court a lot. i have watched a lot of trials of politicians. this is something totally different. rod rosenstein has not been accused of anything criminal certainly. it is a question of a difference between congress and the executive branch. to hear steve scalise basically say impeachment is a tool, it is how you get leverage, that just to me really defines it down to inappropriate level. >> not a lot of people have been impeached in history. john mccormick, so he would be number 20 if it were to actually
happen. the trump train, is this what it is? it is barrelling out of control or just going so fast that those who are on it are hunkering down, hanging on for dear life? >> yeah, you know, jack gold smith had a good piece in the weekly standard saying it is muddying the waters. there are even factual errors. they hold him accountable for not vetting the steele dossier when he didn't become doj until later. he said on tv, why would he impeach rosenstein, for what crimes? rosenstein is an executive branch employee. if he has done anything impeachable or even just not living up to his job, donald trump could fire him tomorrow. >> do you believe in the sincerity of the arguments from people like steve scalise, jim jordan, mark meadows of the freedom caucus that they're concerned that documents are
being withheld or is it an operation to protect the president? >> you know, i haven't talked to them directly to be honest. i think a lot is to protect the president. i think if you go point by point you could find some legitimacy to some of what they're saying, but a lot is just smoke. a lot is just muddying the water. >> ambassador mcfaul,tive top d topic. the president proposing in a joint news conference with the head of italy, meeting without preconditions with the head of iran. this is something that, as you know very well, barack obama was vilified for 11 years ago when he talked about it in a debate. what is your reaction to the president, who seems to say and actually says it out loud, it is a good thing to get along with people. it is better than the alternative, which is war? >> well, two things. first of all, yet it is another data point about how disconnected the president of the united states, the commander in chief, president trump is
from his entire trump administration that works on national security. this happens time and time again where there's one policy by the administration and he seems to be kind of ad libbing, said something different. secretary pompeo said there were all kinds of preconditions, and he pops off and says, i'll meet with anybody. the second thing though is another part of his philosophy that i think is fundamentally flawed when it comes to diplomacy. he thinks that having meetings is the goal of diplomacy, whether it is kim jong-un and the singapore summit, vladimir putin and the helsinki summit and now maybe mr. rouhani and the dubai summit. i don't know where they're going to meet and they're not going to meet because the iranians do not want to meet. but he confuses that as the goal. instead, normally democrats and republican presidents alike as well as other leaders look at summits as the means to achieve american national security
objectives. and in this instance i have no idea what american national security objective he's seeking to achieve by saying that. we know from that helsinki summit in my opinion, the actual summit was bad for american national skur national security interests. we don't know everything that was talked about, but what we do know about -- including me, by the way, we do know that was talked about. i think it was bad for america. so time to get everybody on the same team and understand the purposes of summits. >> so, john and rick, you've got singapore. you've got helsinki. you now have the potential of the president going to tehran, two guys in a room in three different spots in the world. you have steve scalise coming out favoring impeachment in order to curry favor with the president. what does this say to us about the level of fire among the base of republican party politicians,
specifically in the house? are they so afraid of crossing this man or saying anything adverse to this man's policies that we hear relatively nothing from them? >> i don't know if it is fear or true loyalty for some of them, but i mean they're all in. they're all on board. if you look at any of the reecet examples you gave about helsinki or kim jong-un, the republicans would have been screaming bloody murder if barack obama said kim jong-un loves his people or if he gave legitimacy to vladimir putin. if you look at the polls, 90% of the republican party is on board with donald trump and these things haven't dented that support. >> most members of congress are not -- we call them leaders but they're not leaders, they're followers, and joe as well. if you can articulate why you oppose certain policies to your constituency, they will listen
to you but they won't do it. they're afraid that all of these trump voters are just going to turn against them so they won't take it on. sometimes you got to say, look, i'm going to say what is right and if i lose my seat, i lose my seat. that should be the conservative position anyway. >> mr. ambassador, it has gotten ridiculous. you have a leader in the republican party, in the republican house who is actively working to help hide -- you know, cover vladimir putin's footprints in the 2016 election. when steve scalise signs on to impeach rod rosenstein, he is no longer just helping donald trump. if you look at the indictments that came down a few fridays ago, he is helping cover up vladimir putin's interference in american democracy, isn't he? >> it is incredible. i got to say it is incredible. we have been talking about this for two years. the russians violated our sovereignty, right?
aren't they supposed to be about america first? aren't they supposed to be protecting our borders? well, our cyber borders were violated. we now have overwhelming evidence. we have indictments on gru military officers and yet for some reason our america first patriots won't stand up and defend america. i don't understand it. this is not democrats and republicans, folks. this is america sovereignty being violated. it is hard -- i mean i work on national security. i don't work on domestic politic goes. this is a national security issue. never in history has it happened and yet people don't want to stand up and defend our sovereignty. >> you're talking about republicans, members of the republican party, and there is -- we began this segment talking about steve scalise and this position of potentially impeaching rosenstein. it is incredible. i think that when you hear someone like ambassador michael
mcfaul talking about this, given the way he has served our country and the experience he has, we should be frightened at this point. i don't understand why more people aren't stepping up. i don't get it. >> well, it is not that they're just not stepping up -- >> people in the white house. >> -- they're actively, actively signing on to bills to cover up vladimir putin's attempt to undermine american democracy. that's not hyperbole. how many russians have been indicted now? >> 25. >> 25. you have 25 russians indicted. you have the united states military and the united states intel services saying, this is a member of the gru that was at this building, these are the key strokes they made at this exact time. this is how they infiltrated the dnc. this is the russian agent that did it.
i mean the evidence -- i mean vladimir putin's dna is all over this. by the way as i always say, you could go into any court and get judicial notice of that. when steve scalice signs on to actually try to stop this investigation, by firing the guy and impeaching the guy that actually is allowing it to move forward, you've got a guy, steve scalice, and by extension, anyone who does not condemn him, who is doing the work of an ex-kgb agent who is trying to undermine american democracy. am i overselling this? >> no, you are right. who's connected together. trump is saying this is a win hunt. steve scalice agrees by signing on to, frankly, embarrassing impeachment document, he's saying these 25 indictments -- >> against russians. >> against russians, that that's the witch hunt. he's defending the gru. >> he's defending the gru
against the united states military. the professionals at ft. meade. the professional also in the intel community. >> so let me connect something else. if the president is willing to pay off important stars, playboy models to keep quiet, what do you think else he would be willing to be compromised on? >> ambassador michael mcfaul, thank you. thank you both very much for your reporting as well. president trump weighs in on the next dangerous chapter in america's gun debate. that's next on "morning joe." it's what this country is made of. but right now, our bond is fraying. how do we get back to "us"? the y fills the gaps. and bridges our divides. donate to your local y today.
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president trump tweeted this morning, quote, i'm looking into 3-d plastic guns being sold to the public. already spoke to nra, doesn't seem to make much sense. senate minority leader chuck schumer responded saying, quote, your administration approved this. what kind of incompetence and dangerous governing is this? and to check with the nra? holy moly. attorneys from eight states and the district of columbia have sued the trump administration to stop the company, the texas company, from publishing the blueprints. senator nelson of florida says he plans to file legislation today to block the blueprints from being released. and that's another example of the president playing with the truth by tweeting out something that's very misleading. or he clearly doesn't -- it could be that he just doesn't know because he doesn't think. >> his administration approves the plan. >> i think there's more. >> yes. >> i think at this point we need to look at his behavior as strateg
strategic. now to the ongoing crisis of migrant children and families separated at the border. "the washington post" has highlighted the dire conditions those children faced in one illinois shelter, including reports of children forced to scrub toilets with their bare hands and of a 10-year-old being denied medical attention after breaking his arm. joining us now, immigration attorney jeff goldman who successfully advocated for the reunion of of two boys ages 9 and 10 from that shelter with their parents after a federal judge ordered the government to release them. they are the first known reunions by judges order in the country. thank you so much for being on. so the status of the remaining children, how many are there? what are the continued conditions that they live in? what do you know? >> mika, there's still hundreds that have not been reunified with their families. we know about 460 of them may never find their families because the parents have been already removed and deported to
their home country. leaving the children here. i think at the end of the day, most of them will be reunified with the parents. i think they'll have to do dna tests. this is going to cost the federal government millions of dollars to try to reunify all of these children. i think the taxpayers are paying and paying for nothing. this never needed to happen. >> so who pays to transport these children to various parts of the country? who pays to maintain these children on a daily basis in those various parts of the country? >> for the the two boys i helped get release from the facility in chicago, the federal government was ordered to pay for the reunification, for the flights, but we decided not to wait. we had some donors who were offering private money to fly the boys immediately to be reunified and we choose that route instead. there's been word the federal government is going to have to reimburse people who paid for these flights. we don't know.
we don't really care. we just wanted to get the kids back with the mother. >> you have rare inside information of the process. how you identified these two boys and how you got them back to their parents. i think a lot of people would like to see what you were able to do for hundreds of other kids. >> we were contacted by one of the mothers. she called my law firm directly and said she was given our phone number by someone who said we could help. once we understood this is a parent whose child had been taken out of her arms at the border, we were able to sit down, focus, and went into action. shed an that point did know where her child was. it's actually remarkable. the government released her after ten days in jail, left her without any knowledge of where her child was but another woman who she met in prison was able to find her child and she called and said i think you're client is in chicago because my friend has met a friend called joco.
we got in touch with the highest level of people in chicago. the federal government farms out these key tensidetention center private contractors. we called, they said we're not releasing him. we said, the mother's right here, she's able to take the child back. no, we're not releasing him. >> why not? >> the federal government could not let these contractors release the children. the federal government, after a very well-planned chaos, that they created, decided to let's call these 2,000 children orphans. therefore, parents would have to go through extensive back ground security checks not just of the parents but of anyone the parent knows or lives with. which is ridiculous when the parent is standing at the government's door asking for the child. >> what did they tell you about their time when they were being held? >> just routine. they did attend classes. they had time to play. one of my clients was left in solitary confinement for two weeks, unable to touch or
communicate or talk to anyone because he broke out with a rash which the doctor at the facility said was chicken pox. it wasn't chicken pox. this child already had chicken pox. and they ended up injecting him with something to hopefully help this rash, without a parent's permission, of course the child didn't know what was happening. my two clients absolutely were forced to scrub toilets without gloves on, sweep the floors. these were 9 year old boys. >> i can't imagine the legal ramifications and potential out of all these stories. >> child abuse. >> i don't even know what -- that's incredible. >> many of the children were told if you don't do this, you're not going to see your parents. >> that's child abuse. >> absolutely. >> what would we say of -- >> if this is how -- if they forced 8 year olds, 9 year olds to scrub toilets, oh, my god, it would be an international scandal. >> joe, just a month ago, our country spent i don't know how
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bazarly during the last week. a twitter storm that's kind of unpres tented from him. all about the mueller probe sw threatening to fire mueller while his attorneys are out sayi saying weir -- he's on a totally different track from his attorneys and it seems like he's worried about a family member. >> and how much he's starting to tweet. he tweeted the phrase witch hunt a combined 36 times in june sw july. and that was up from april and may. sw he's calling out muellerer by name. if the president's son is in trouble, how far to you think he would go to protect him? >> look, again whereby toepbt want to get into these hypotheticals. i think it was silly by the way to take that meeting. doesn't rise to the level of criminality. but i'm not a criminal defense attorney. he clearly has been ratcheting
up the rhetoric and the pace of his arguments against what's going on with the russia probe. sw i think the reason isn't because he thinks his son is in trouble. this probe, because they were able to can come up with nothing connecting trump himself, donald trump to russia, instead where the mueller probe is headed according to fbi sources, it's headed towards making a case for obstruction largely from tweets that the president pout out. i think that has the president justifiably, incredibly angry. if we're going to try criminalize the public speech of the president of the united states. that tells me this is only about creating a narrative to impeach the president. it's not actually about justice or criminal law. >> but why to you say that when you look at what mueller has done? he has brought forward charges against 30 individuals and or entities we have multiple people
who have pleaded guilty, there are multiple indictments involving people who were part of his campaign, including the trial of paul manafort right now. he was the campaign chairman at one point. >> right. you make a good point but the vast majority of those indictments are against no nonamericans tphrp are things that paul manafort did before he had any relationship to trump, before trump was a politician. so yes, there have been a lot of indictments, charges but nothing still remotely connected to the president doing something improperer with foreign people. >> first all of the americans that have been charged are pretty important and significant people. the second thing is steve, you can try to spin it as much as you want like a top. the mueller probe is nowhere near over at the moment. you cannot say nothing has been
proved because nothing has been said or what charges brought forward with regard that president. you're running around in a no-person zone with that information. his head is about to explode. the closer closer this probe can comes. he knows manafort is in trouble. he knows flynn is already in trouble. he knows michael cohen is in trouble sw many other investigations going on. this is l crashing in on him sw he flips out when he has a little extra time on the weekends. it's become the norm that he goes on these tweet storms over the course of the weekend god only knows what he's doing because he's doing pretty much the same thing during the course of the week. it does make you wonder what does he do other than going to tweets and rallies. when they're after your kids,
that will cause a little bit of anxiety i think. >> i wanted to add also to the impact that manafort trial is having on the president. manafort allegedly commit canned most of his crimes well before his involvement in the trump campaign. his firm was earning from tyrants around the world and as that empire collapsed, this is what we're hearing in court manafort was -- wouldn't it be logical that manafort would be reaching out to some of his prior clients in an effort to use his influence in the white house to get back on his feet financially? i see the thread of a link to the trump campaign being developed in the manafort trial. it hasn't been said explicitly but certainly commonsense would suggest esthat a desperate man
who's run out of money might be reaching out to old clients to see if he could make some more money. >> i'll tpweugive you the last real quickly. >> even the prosecutors in the case said they will not be mentioning trump and will not be mentioning the campaign. both sides agreed to that, it's not relevant to the charges. >> commonsense tuzant say there's something that look as little fishy here. >> for another taeu. >> we'll see where it goes. it may not bear fruit. now the first lady is also talking tonight, taking sides in a feud erupting between the world's greatest basketball player and the most powerful man. guess whose side she's taking? or keep tabs on them. he skipped orientation for the beach? he takes after me.
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choosing to support the man her husband is insulting on twitter. president trump bad mouthing nba superstar, lebron james. after his interview with cnn replayed on our air last night, the first lady releasing a statement a short time ago sw she does not agree with the president. in fact she's firmly supporting lebron james. i'll tell you exactly what she says sw how she's breaking with the president in a moment. but i want you to see and hear what the president saw. the interview that inspired him to insult lebron james and my fellow cnn anchorer, don lemon. here's just a portion of it. >> you've heard what the man in charge what the president has said about marshawn, about steph. >> cappernic. yep. >> what's up with that? >> what's up with that is all
wrong. it's not up, it's down. and for him to like i say use sports to kind of it vide us is something i can't sit back sw not say nothing. >> you tweeted about -- you tweeted about when steph curry taegs you called him a bum because steph had already said i'm not going to the white house stpwhrp he already said he wasn't going tried to use that afterwards to say you're uninvited. you can't uninvite me to something i am not even going to. he's a great kid, comes from great background, great father so many kids, white, black, hispanic love what he's toing and rightfully so. there's no reason for anyone to ever attack him. and i felt that. >> whenever there's something like he's in trouble or he can't wiggle his way out of something, he'll bring up the national
anthem thing or kneeling. do you think he uses it as a scapegoat? >> sometimes and more often than not i believe he uses anything that's popular to try to negate people from thinking about the positive things. sw try to get our minds not to be as sharp as possible. just to either from kneeling from football players kneeling, looking at kaepernick who was a protest something he believed in sw he tid it in the most calm -- >> respectful. >> very respectful. did all his due diligence. he was knowledgeable about it and everyone knew why he did it. you look at all the nfl players still kneeling, steph, marshawn lynch, all these instances why he's trying to it vide our sport. but at the end of the day sports is the reason we all come together. >> what would you sthaeu president if he sitting across from him?
>> i would never sit across from him. i'd seu i'd sit across from barack though. >> "lebron james was just interviewed by it dumbest man on television, don lemon. he made lebron look smart, which isn't easy to do. i like mike." let's get cnn political commentator in here. and let me start with you first talking about milania trump joining in this conversation regarding lebron skwraeupl who is he? should he be liked? the president attacking him. why to you think she decided to jump in and the fact that she and michael jordan we think was referenced in the tweet i like mike are going against what the president is saying stpwhrp it seems milania is trying to create distance between the president's insulting tweets and her view of the white house.
in this house the east wing at odds with the west wing. last year said she wanted to make cyberer bullying a platform of hers. this is a chance for her to do that. and i love the way don lemon handled this. he put out a tweet that said "who'ser the real dumby? the person helping schools or the person putting kids in cages?" referring to the policy of separating parents from the children on the southern border? i think don kind of said it all right there. >> sw whereby toepbt like toing this to my colleague but whereby think there's an important point here. lebron james wjust interviewed y the dumbest man on television, don lemon. he made lebron look smart which isn't ease tee do. i like mike." >> maxine waters is leading -- maxine she's a real beauty.
maxine. a seriously low iq person. seriously. >> so maxine waters, don lemon, lebron james. these are three prominent african american. in the last 24 hours all have been attacked the same way. the president saying each lacks intelligence. your thoughts. >> that's what's disturbing and ultimately, in my estimation racist about the remarks monopoly it's not just that he disagree would people or even that he's rude or even unconventional like being on twitter at midnight. it's the fact when you come after maxine waters, don lemon, you do it in a way that speaks to their intelligence sw there's a long history of people questioning black peoples intelligence sw their capacity to be in the office. judge cureio, the
mexican-american judge didn't have the upbability to be ubswr. so there's a long history of him speaking to people's intelligence and intellectual ability sw capacity and to throw in that she's a real beauty. you add that to the comments he made in the whole attacking her looks sw the face lift thing. it was going town the list. rosie o'donnell. it's racism, misogyny sw all mixed into one person sw as lebron said he tuzant when he's under attack. >> do you think politically it's a winning strategy with with trump's base? >> anything that gets black people upset, tpwaeu upset tpwets his base excited. so it's a very strong ande effective strategy to keep his small base engaged.
the problem is he can't widen the net. when you have people on both sides of the aisle questioning your fit for office, questioning your loyalty to america, question what you're toing is racist. you're not expanding your base, you're shrinking it and i think that's going to be very dangerous. >> and once again he was watching tv and reacting in real time. >> and he likes to claim he doesn't watch. he loves to criticize and promote fox news and yet last night the president was watching cnn. i hope he actually watched the part of the interview about lebron james' school. this is the same school milania is saying i'd be open to visiting. this is a great effort by james' foundation. we've had three rallies in a week. lebron james didn't go after him in the recent rally. he's singing the same tune every time. he's singing the same tune he's
always sung but at a louder tesble. he's getting louder. in some cases screaming. maybe that's a reflection of the chaos that surrounds him. the scandals, controversies. as much as he wants people to focus on lebron james. seems like the president has his own weaknesses he's showing through these late-night tweets and raucous rallies. >> he always is on the attack as you pointed out earlier. he could argue lebron swraeupls hit him first through this interview and the remarks that he made. would that be a justifiable argument for the tweet? >> no, saying the president divisive i think is squarely inbounds. saying the president's policies are good or bad, is in bounds when you disagree. but when you start to insult someone's intelligence, body type, or someone's family
history or structure, those are the kinds of things that on the on the tuz and those things are squarely out of the bounds oeuf civil discourse and lawnestly they're beyond the pale by what we understand a sitting president tootoo. i don't thing it's fair to say you hit me first. it certainly shouldn't work with our president. >> as always, thank you so much. up next a disturbing story. allegations of sexual abuse at a migrant shelter. separated by administration. friends, colleagues, gathered here are the world's finest insurance experts. rodney -- mastermind of discounts like safe driver, paperless. the list goes on. how about a discount for long lists? gold. mara, you save our customers hundreds for switching almost effortlessly. it's a gift. and jamie. -present. -together we are unstoppable. so, what are we gonna do? ♪
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a former youth worker is charge would praying on boys he was supposed to protect. his alleged victims were young, vulnerable and separated from their parents. some of the scenes are disturbing as dianne gallagher brings us this investigation. >> reporter: anytime you have to report on something like this, it is difficult, it makes your stomach turn. we have to reiterate it might be difficult for some of you out here to hear. this is according to court documents first reported by pro publica. in mesa, arizona. and now the former youth worker at this facility is accused of molesting eight boys, ages 15 to 17 starting in august of 2016 through july of 2017. and the accusations that are laid out in the court documents
range from touching them over their clothes or gen tailia area to performing oral sex on two of the boys to trying to have sexual intercourse with with at least one of those boys there. now again these kids were under his supervision. southwest key leased a statement saying quote any employee accused of abuse is immediately suspended. this is what we did in this case. in adition we reported it to orr and the aproep ret state agency. we report these incidents to law enforcement and state agencies when they happen." just this week on tuesday at another southwest key facility in arizona a worker was arrested for suspicion of a 14-year-old migrant girl staying in that facility and while we seem like we're hearing this more and more because the housing of the migrant children is making
headlines, this appears to have been going on for years. they released an investigation last week they were able taget documents from saefblt of the roughly 100 of these migrant child care facilities and they found over the last five years call been made from these type of facilities. it does give us a look that does not account for children who may not have spoken up or may be afraid to have said anything in the first place. >> thank you. the president continuing to criticize a pwrebgen immigration system that he claims has a-allowed gangs like ms 13 to run wild in american cities. we'll take you to an area hit hard by ms-13 gang violence and speak to a former member of the gang working to stop it. how do you win at business?
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ready to let go of hep c? ask your hep c specialist about harvoni. president trump wrapped up his 3rd rally, spending a good portion of his speech calling out the street gang ms-13. >> you know when ms-13 sees the ice people when they come in, ms 13 says we've got problems. ice is fantastic for this country. they're brave. got tough job. and we're getting these gangs like ms-13 and others. we're getting them out of the country, one by one getting them out. >> it's important to note ms-13 is one of 33,000 different gangs in the united states. it makes up roughly 1% of all
gang members in this country and it isn't the largest and it isn't just made up of undocumented immigrants. we went to one area directly impacted by ms-13 gang vile taopbls get a better understanding of the gang and its target. >> her life was taken, stolen from me. she had dreams, goals, a future. >> just 16 years old, a talented athlete nicknames the bulk. >> because she was so quick. >> sadly unable toe scape the violence just outside her door. kayla and her best friend savagely murdered just blocks from home, september 13th, 2016. >> this is where it happened. >> reporter: attacked with baseball bats and a machete, a
gang better known as ms-13. ms-13 is one of the most violent street gangs in the united states. federal and local officials agree. designated a transnational criminal organization. more than 30,000 members world wide, up to 10,000 in the u.s. and as many as 1,000 on long island alone. >> we have about 500 identified ms-13 members here in nassau county. 215 that are active. >> how do you a identify who is an active member? >> the number one is self identity. they'll all be tattooed. when they get arrested, they ask gang affiliate? yes. ms-13. >> what is their m.o.? >> kill, rape, control. >> victims are often young.
local law enforcement says the gang first came on their radar in 2010 but an uptick in 2013. that's when members in el salvador made a concerted effort to have different pockets in the u.s., including the affluent suburbs of new york city and long island. >> why new york is the question? the answerer is that is insufficientic county at least there's a large salve dorian population. el salvador, guatemala. there's also a record number of unaccompanied main -- minors coming during that time. >> the u.s. government has placed more than 9,000 undocumented teenagerers that have crossed in without guardians with sponsors in long island communities. >> many don't speak english.
they don't have money in their pocket. their parents typically aren't with them. they're seeking a sense of belonging and ms 13 says we can provide that. if you don't join the gang, this is what's going to happen to you and we know where your family lives. >> you wouldn't believe how bad these people are. theseerant people. these are animals. >> is the immigration rhetoric we're hearing from the current administration hurting or helping your efforts? >> certainthry focus on ms-13 is helpful in terms of awareness, resources initiative. but i think it is also very clear that we need to be sending a message to the immigrant population, the immigrant community that we stand with them. >> and you don't feel like your community's being used as a political pawn in any way? >> as police commissioner, i stay out of politics. my job is to serve and protect all the people.
doesn't matter your political affiliation, the color of your skin. it doesn't matterer to me. >> rodriguez says she's grateful for the support of the president and new york's governor who ree recently allocated money for gang intervention and she wants to be part of the solution for a safer community, whatever it takes, to prevent another family's pain. >> i just want them to stop what they're doing. you're hurting family members, loved ones. it in the end result you're hurting yourself. >> another thing we've learned about these ms-13 gang members. they're overwhelmingly male young, some as young as 13 years old. i want to bring in a former ms-13 gang member now working on gang prevention and
intervention. he's based in los angeles, another hot spot for this gang and he does consulting work on long island. so glad to have you with us. i want to get your personal story first because you drawn in as a teenagerer. you were just 14. what was the astphaoel. >> the appeal was the fact there were so many social issues in the community that didn't have the answers for the problems that i had and i decided to look for answers outside of home because at home there was a lot of abuse. i did not know my parents like many of the unaccompanied minorers right now. and i was an aunaccompanied minor in 1979. i didn't have a relationship. i didn't have uth family members in the area the school did not provide any services for people like me, neither did the community. so it was difficult to deal with
the bullying, the harassment of other ethnic groups as well as youth that are latinos as well. ewe were targeted and including by gangs. for me it was attractive primarily because it was cultural, related to where i was from, el salvador and i felt for the first time i was being acknowledged by being part of something, not only the protection but providing some of those needs that you have during those times. >> what i'm hearing you say -- sorry, i didn't mean to step on you but what you're saying sounds so similar from those we've been speaking to as well as to why they believe uthers are county getting involved with this gang? what broke through? what was the turning point? >> people age out and i was definitely one that learned from
my mistakes. i was incarcerated,e venchally deported. i became a father during that period and i wanted to be a father. i didn't want my son to go through the same things that i went through. but i was going up against all odds. when i got down there i had to flee. there were death squads trying to kill me just because i had tattoos. so i had to flee. i came back to what i knew, to my family that was here. i came back because of my son. but more importantly i came back because i needed to live, i wanted to live. and my son became my priority. in the process i was able to also help other youth in the neighborhood. and that's how i started getting involved in the organization. . >> our thanks to alex sanchez and we'll be right back. uhp. i didn't believe it. again. ♪ ooh, baby, do you know what that's worth? ♪
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the tubes but i really don't think we would have enjoyed that one bit. >> the 2000s airs tomorrow night at 9:00 eastern and pacific on cnn. a about hbizarre story out yellowstone national park. police arrested a man for taunting a wild bison. all caught on tape. you got to see it. >> oh, god. oh, no, no, no, no, no. oh, no. oh, no. oh, no. oh, god. oh, god. >> i mean, what is he thinking there? yellowstone officials warn visitors to stay at least 25 yards away from the bison. this was the man's third arrest in a week for causing disturbances like this. harassing wildlife at any national park is illegal. thank you for watching tonight. so glad you were with me. i'll be back tomorrow night at
but the supreme leader refused to give in to the demonstrators he up held up medina jansa point went and put down the protests with extraordinary brutality. my. colleague from on a probably saved the regime that year but what price in knew he would need to give some leeway if his hold on power were to be preserved. i think this sort of awareness that iran had been through its own brush with potential regime instability in two thousand and nine with the most serious protests that had taken place since the one nine hundred seventy nine revolution cast a very long shadow and it was clear that. there was a consensus decision to move away from the kind of provocations that characterize
the period and move toward a new rapprochement at least with the broader international community community if not with the united states specifically. in shia islam the main leader of the shias that bush is the first. to science. her son and her same. chose the path of peace and negotiations and hussein shows the power of confrontation and martyrdom so these two schools of thought provide different justifications for different policies and republic and the supreme leader it was their idea. and one her son's peace and reconciliation in the frame that was honorable an honorable peace of your one. he called that
heroic flexibility which allowed them to make the compromise that was pretty painful with the great satan. in the name of heroic flexibility the leader and allowed himself to overcome the islamic republic's visceral anti americanism one of the regime's major ideological standpoints and enter negotiations with the united states. the islamic republic's anti americanism goes back to the early days of the revolution. in november one thousand nine hundred seventy nine iranian students
took fifty two american diplomats hostage. their objective was to demonstrate that the new islamic order was set against the west des particularly against the influence of the united states. this new regime had not forgotten that twenty six years earlier in one thousand nine hundred fifty three the cia had organized a coup to time there will be no question of history repeating itself. no force that's you don't forget that back then prime minister most a decade been overthrown by an american coup. in one hand the islamic revolution hadn't yet come about so the americans had shown their hostility towards our people well before the revolution. that the us is set to some how we can iran's. iran's you know
nation estate let's put it in that way and the u.s. will not change its policy because the pillars of political structure in the us will not accept iran as a regional power that has its own independent then two way of economic political event security a military you know policies this is very strong. anti americanism is accompanied by implacable opposition to the state of israel in ten rounds eyes israel is washington's proxy in the region and an opponent of the palestinians and their rights.
i think after the revolution the iranians quickly realize that in order to have influence in the region and project power in the region they have to be seen not as a shia power but as an islamic power and this is the region and the reason that they picked up the cause of palestine because of palestine was left on the ground by the arabs and it was a was an issue and allowed iran to play the role of a of a muslim power and not as a shia power. while if we. religious looking at our country's national security considerations we consider that the zionist regime is a usurping and illegitimate regime in the region. as such it constitutes our biggest regional threat. globally speaking that thread is the united states with the anti israel a and anti american stance is a closely linked to run no longer has any official relations with the two countries
since the hostage crisis of nine hundred seventy nine the american embassy has become a museum. inside everything has been preserved as it was. the last reminder of the heroic time surrounding the foundation of the islamic republic. american islam did not prevent iran from being pragmatic and negotiating a resolution to the nuclear crisis with the united states on january the sixteenth two thousand and sixteen at the headquarters of the international atomic energy agency in vienna dignitaries signed a joint comprehensive plan of action. right now your work really begins yes yes. the economic sanctions on iran were officially lifted for the first time since the
one nine hundred seventy nine revolution washington and tehran had managed to resolve an international crisis through diplomacy and dialogue the historic antagonism between the two countries might soon become a thing of the past. i think president obama and secretary kerry held out hope that in the long term very long term starting a diplomatic. process with iran making it ok for americans to speak with iran showing that we could do deals with iran could help over time change iran's foreign policy as opposed to always just containing iran and being against iran. in the declarations made by the supreme leader and other senior figures. there was this idea that if the nuclear deal work correctly applied and everyone respected
their commitments and promises then it would bring concrete results i mean. it would be possible to enter into other negotiations on other issues on the basis of this excess power for jewish bit if. from here on iran hope to normalize its relations with the west but the country was then confronted with a syria and iran crises which would give it the opportunity to use other methods than diplomacy to once again become a major player in the middle east. behest as a car cemetery in tehran is the biggest in the country. the
man known as post was named. day he was an officer in the revolutionary guard who was killed in september two thousand and sixteen in syria. the revolutionary guard corps created in one nine hundred seventy nine is the most powerful security organization in the country it's the tehran regime's praetorian guard. no one knows how many soldiers iran has lost in syria probably several hundred from the beginning of the popular uprising against a basher in the spring of two thousand and eleven to run has taken the side of the syrian regime a regime that it has always considered to be an historical and strategic ally.
to appreciate the importance of this relationship we need to go back to the iran iraq war. in september one thousand eight hundred satam hussein decided to invade iran just months after the revolution the fledgling islamic republic was threatened with destruction. and that. in the iranian collective memory syria was the only country to supporters during the war against iraq. and we've never forgotten that that hard to the war which was. that sense of strategic solitude that the romulans experienced during the iran iraq war had deep impact on your thinking and or threat assessment and it still to this day influences how they see the world.
the fact that saddam used chemical weapons against iran were. then tyrants international community was looking away has created this sense of paranoia in iran being able to have its own convention on defense mechanisms and iran not trusting and the international community to look after its interests. this devastating conflict lasted eighteen years and cost the lives of nearly five hundred thousand on the iranian side alone. a traumatic experience for the population the fight against the iraqi army allowed the islamic republic to bolster its legitimacy. today the streets of tehran are still replete with memorials to the martyrs who
died on the front all those years ago. this war against iraq also comprised a sort of geo strategic matrix the notion of never again has been dominant ever since. never again victims of chemical weapons never again the sight of enemy aircraft in the skies over tehran and never again the slightest patch of territory trampled on by a foreign army. i think in the iranian mind said moving or pushing away the threats from the iranian borders has been a constant and it's very a strong and it can mobilize the konami you know. forces and to tackle that and that's very strong and i don't think these will soon be removed from iran. in order to compensate the sense of strategic solitude that they experienced during those years. iran has developed to
a symmetric defense of policies one as its ballistic missile program which given the fact that it doesn't have an air force is the only way that it can reach its rivals or enemies on their soil and the second is what they call a forward defense policy which is based on hiring partners and proxies away from its borders so that it can actually do terror a direct attack on iranian soil. as well la is the crown jewel of this forward the fence policy. would include his would you q would you do this letter she should get on hezbollah is a strategic ally of iran. you have
a as you look at this lebanese group has the same ideology as iran is would like to hit it to be of age whatever we see as so it is naturally a very close ally to let is. hardly to laugh when his last hezbollah is also an ally of syria will use his word love with him this past so it is a link between ourselves and syria the. more this true year that if about what you know what did how do you might ask and like ourselves in syria. hezbollah is hostile towards israel c s a how you understood that you had to me was. there was a lot. for terror on maintaining those links with lebanese shia organization hezbollah is therefore a necessity the political and military group which iran co-founded in the early one
nine hundred eighty s. is to this day an ally and an. essential tool in the latter's resistance to israel i am for a. it's through syria that iran has provided hezbollah with logistic and strategic count. and if you talk to iranian officials today many believe that the reason israel did not attack iran at the height of the nuclear standoff was because they were afraid of hezbollah loss of power of retaliation not because of iran's capabilities so for tehran defending the damascus regime is a question of self interest it must not for as of late two thousand and eleven the islamic republic decided to send military advisors to has been in syria to support bashar al assad its efforts to crush the rebellion.
tehran had its own outlook on the syrian conflict in its size the civil uprising among part of the population against bashar al assad never took place tehran saw it as a conspiracy engineered by the west and israel. turned on was why i support bashar al assad because he was and is the legitimate president of syria so we are probably stayed out loud that military advisors of the islamic republic of iran have helped the syrian military the syrian government and the syrian people in order to avoid terrorists taking power over this country and replacing the legitimate syrian government. protests around the country behind the terrorist threat in syria in saudi arabia. and in riyadh the saudi leaders have indeed been looking forward to the fall of bashar assad since
the beginning of the syrian crisis a means for them to oppose the rise in power of iran in the region. the kingdom understood very well and told. lewiston countries if you look at all of the public statements from saudi officials they identified easy iran as the main supporter of bashar that's it and therefore the kingdom called on all of the countries in the west in europe and in america to oppose the iranian. direction. and control over the situation in syria syria became the stage for a radical standoff between the region's two systems of power and the sunni saudi monarchy against the shiite islamic republic of iran. i think many
people including many american many americans and many europeans underestimated the degree to which syria was a red line for iran and that iran was willing to really take risks and put the resources in to back assad assad. i think the same is true for russia. neither iran nor russia wanted to accept. the notion of regime change that people in the middle east could ride out rise up and get rid of their leader we know russia has a real. reaction to that in iran. in september two thousand and fifteen russia began large scale intervention on the iranian side to defend bashar assad. but meanwhile another protagonist appeared in the middle eastern theater. on june the twelfth two thousand and fourteen islamic state forces took control of iraq's second city mosul
a few days later in syria fell into jihad is towns and became the capital of the self-styled islamic caliphate. protests around the advances made by ass and extremist sunni terrorist movement that sees the share as one of its principal enemies radically change the stakes while continuing to defend the damascus regime the islamic republic was now fighting for its survival as much in syria as in iraq. but the steal. of the shares your friendship with iraq is precious to us. naturally iraq's security is also ours and by subversive. the same is true for syria. and the syrians don't overcome the jihadists at home they will enter iraq and then our country. and spread throughout the region that. we
get beaten by one of their. own job that is why the security of the muslim world and that of iran depends on the security of syria. that we. so to defend its borders iran openly sent soldiers from its codes force an elite unit of the republican guard to both syria and iraq. you know i think you know runs influence and commitment in iraq was present well before mozilla in the summer of twenty fourteen really go all the way back to the u.s. intervention in two thousand and three. telamon the shia majority government. role that arabia militia played. ever since then the iranian presence was both opportunistic to expand its power expand its influence in the region but
also defensive because first of all didn't want to return to power of this party in the sunni arab domination secondly it didn't want the united states to use iraq as a platform to launch either an invasion or asymmetrical warfare against iran in a thought that that was actually possible at the time i think that the conflict that we witnessed in syria and iran in iraq pushed iranians increasingly to act as a sectarian power in order to mobilize support for their cause in the region there was no water way for them to to other than becoming increasingly sectarian they have to marshal support for elsewhere and they have to marshal support from the afghanis. migrants in iran and and the pockets danis shia pakistanis and they have to use for a legend they have to shia them. and therefore they have to act in
a much more sectarian way. with the help of the shia iran managed to make its presence felt in syria and iraq the revolutionary guard units being the essential tool in this strategy and thanks to the victory on the ground they have undoubtedly never had so much influence in the iranian political game. as the ins caliphate looked close to collapse the islamic republic was in the press. of establishing an unbroken territorial corridor to the mediterranean via baghdad damascus and beirut . for certain western countries as for saudi arabia iran had become the new leader of the great regional game and playing it was now a question of doing as much as possible to reduce its influence.
of those leaders and all of us are heard from them is are rare is the big threat it's not isis convinced of the dividends from this new approach trump now refused any idea of possible dialogue with iran. saudi arabia has welcomed mr trump's realistic approach to meeting the challenge of iran's extra territorial ambitions in the area and we think it was about time that the us walk up to the fact that the problem with iran is not just nuclear development but it is this ambition to expand its control over the arab countries around it and mr trump was very much responsive to this idea the visit to saudi arabia was a clear signal that the u.s. is going to now completely side with iran sunny neighbors and
support them and arm them and the obama era of believing that the region should be shared between iran and saudi arabia was over and that was i think that trip to saudi arabia and the rhetoric against iran was the turning point. president trump's insistence upon this new american vision of the middle east came as a relief to the saudi monarchy. a saudi monarchy weakened by the bloody conflict in yemen which it is bogged down in. since march two thousand and fifteen the young crown prince mohammed bin summoned the new strongman of the kingdom has been at the hands of a vast military coalition against the rebel who theories who are regarded as tehran's trojan horse. is there an offshoot
of sick in yemen called those a.d.'s. who have sworn allegiance. to iran like hezbollah in lebanon. publicly declared that they want to liberate the holy places in saudi arabia. from the saudi government so it cannot to the rate the busines of it in the pollution or god willing and country in its south and border that is a red line for saudi arabia you cannot accept iran and its militia has blood of pollution you got your south thing done with the reality that seventy mountains area you cannot control it's very difficult to to really close the line it cannot and go inside the country so you had to take an action this is this is wrong.
because it is now that iran's presence be compared with the saudis presence in circling the entire tape the area of yemen i mean there has been some minimal you know supports and aids going there there has been some you know. political support for the yemeni you know favored political parties no doubt but comparing the korean size of the two sites involvement in yemen you can it's easy to be understood that iran is not that involved and its presence is in a minimal way. whatever the reality of iran's military intervention might be the conflict was now at a stalemate riyadh and its allies imposed a turtle blockade on the northern part of the country dominated by the who thinks coalition bombing had led to a humanitarian disaster. in
addition to the civilian victims and the tens of thousands of people displaced nearly eight million were risk of starvation in november two thousand and seventeen the u.n. classified the situation as the worst humanitarian crisis in the world it's very clear that whether we like the saudis and how they're waiting there while the saudis are never going to allow themselves to be faced with the is really problem of one hundred fifty thousand iranian supplied missiles in the hands of an iranian surrogate on their borders in southern lebanon the saudis see the same thing coming along their borders with yemen and if they have to bomb the entire country to the stone age they will so the idea is we have to find a way to. eliminate that threat. for the new american administration the situation is clear beyond the shocking humanitarian situation.
the yemen conflict was additional proof of iranian plans to dominate the middle east eager to take action donald trump chose the nuclear dossier while the international agency in charge of monitoring the two thousand and fifteen deal indicated that iran was respecting its obligations the american president insisted that this was untrue on october thirteenth two thousand and seventeen he decertified the deal insisting it no longer corresponded to the interests of the united states. based on factual record i have put forward i am announcing today that we cannot and will not make this certification. we will not continue down a path whose predictable conclusion is more violence more terror and the very real threat of a red and blue clear break thank you trump also demanded that the other signatory
countries tighten the terms of the deal failing which he would definitely walk away from it. this american turn around put the international iran nuclear deal on hold and on the brink of collapse. i think the trump and ministrations decision to decertify around in compliance with the nuclear deal was based solely on the president's insistence that we do so it had nothing to do with the actual facts of the matter and it is nothing to do with what actually might be useful to getting to some strengthening of the terms of the deal or any other diplomatic outcomes it was entirely dissatisfied the president's ego that's obviously a very risky strategy which could lead to the erosion of the deal and it's not clear to me that president trump or anyone around here would really has a plan for what they would do if they j.c. j.c. p.r. way were out of place it would only push the iranians to double down on the
policies of. their missile program and therefore the friends policy it would not push more moderate of iranian behavior in the region if the is being you know in a way that you know these troy. then you know a new era of distrust will be created in both countries relations which in my believe is not good for both sides. in tehran it is clearly understood that the american administration refuses to ratify the new position that iran occupiers on the regional chance board but the iranian leaders also know that their country's new role in the middle east is a very delicate one between the joint handling with russia of the syrian issue riyadh's obsessive hostility the changing political map in iraq and the security
fears over israel they need to be able to arbitrate between the opposing interests of their enemies and their partners. iran is a self limiting our the more it pushes the more resistance of creates because at the end of the day it's a shia country among signings it's a persian country and arabs so without any doubt there is a ceiling for how much influence iran can have in the region but there is also a floor for how much influence of can have because it is of the region and it cannot be entirely excluded from the region. at the same time the islamic republic is at a crossroads in its history the aging supreme leader ali khamenei is increasingly frail and sick his succession will be a crucial element in the restructuring of the future political balance of the country. in the case of the current supreme leader is office
is a big bag black box probably around a few thousand people working in that office and no one has a clear understanding of the power dynamics in that office the most influential people in that office and his own plans and designs for succession decision surrounding succession and how it plays out within iran will be enormous lead consequential. for the future of iran and stability of the islamic republic and for the capacity of iran to continue casting such a wide influence across the region we simply don't know how succession will play out but often in iran the most powerful institution at the time of the transition will determine what comes next and the most powerful institution at the moment is the revolutionary guards in iran with the. economic power and influence. the revolutionary guard is particularly keen to prevent another protagonist
wielding influence in the internal political debates of the country this other protagonist meaning the iranian people. at the end of december two thousand and seventeen tens of thousands of them took to the streets in eighty towns and cities across the country. despite the repression leaving twenty five people killed and three thousand seven hundred arrested they denounce the deterioration in their standard of living widespread cronyism and corruption amongst the leadership with cries of down with hezbollah and not carter not lebannon my soul is for iran. these demonstrators address the salient point if the regime prefers to spend resources on its lebanese syrian iraq and yemeni allies rather than on its own
citizens then it loses legitimacy. the islamic republic has never been as powerful outside its own borders as it is today. with the demise of the i ask caliphate the regime is facing a further loss in popular support for its military actions and growing calls for a radical change in. priorities. in the eyes of many iranians the unfair to should no longer use history as a means of propaganda and instead focus on ensuring economic and social justice for all and guarantee freedom of speech. such reforms appear key to the regime survival without change it is likely that further protests will follow and even uprisings they in turn could lead to a spiral of violence and to a radicalization of the regime or to its collapse.
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eleven years ago she and her husband had originally set out to see the world on their sailboat but once they stopped off in samarkand they knew they'd found a new home. and all our flour comes from france they are better to my husband makes everything by hand with no artificial color but our baked goods are made only according to traditional recipe. that scene was in. the customers who are every bit as demanding as in paris the baker says and they pay in euro's. to george this is the culture of the antilles a blend of the caribbean and europe. so. that's a blend that elsewhere in the lesser antilles includes the british too just a twenty minute boat ride away is a population nearly fifteen thousand just deserted beach is an excellent
bram stoker in his novel dracula i recently went on a discovery tour in romania to find out how much of the dracula story is based on truth. this is brand council in romania otherwise known as dracula's castle it's one of romania's major landmarks and tourist destinations located in the small town of brown some two hundred kilometers north of the capital bucharest people flock here from all over the world to catch a glimpse into the gruesome world of vampires. after a very long journey i have finally arrived at brand castle here in romania and this place boasts six hundred forty years of history but it is most well known as the home of count accurate blood sucking count of transylvania now although i know this story is based on fiction i have come well prepared i have
novel dr heard about this story from hungary and teach it a friend the thing is so he took our princess story into. as for me i think of the one of the famous vampire but in fact stoker never visited romania or brand council his book is based on a description of the castle and an illustration of vailable to him at the time but what about vlad the impaler was he ever here during his reign of terror the council does indeed have examples of medieval torture methods used back then so just what is this going to hurt the further from that of. this is one of the first mechanized torture instruments they were used on suspected witches thieves traitors and the like. you have to make it. so so yeah that we don't want to do that the real dracula used
surplus problems but fact more fiction it's grand council and the story of dracula the vampire that seemed to interest tourists the most. do you think it's. harry here it's a bit scary especially the torture. that's the most scary discount and it goes it's ever lasting popularity to bram stoker. so my tour of bring castle is coming to an end and my impression of this place is that it's really just full of history it's really not that scary although i don't think i would want to be here after dark and just in case there are any evil spirits to ward off i will keep this garlic necklace close they have but it's time to say divided now from dracula's castle. and i make my way out of bran before it gets dark when the vampires begin their nightly meetings. and you can see i made it back very helpfully i had
a great way to see europe is by train and currently fifteen thousand young people are doing this free of charge they all took part in a special draw to qualify for the free tickets for the project was the idea of two activists from berlin since two thousand and fifteen they've been lobbying politicians to issue all eighteen year olds free travel to promote international understanding we accompanied the young scot on the first stage of his interrelate trip. traveling to prague by train. student aid and gibson from edinburgh has embarked on an intra led venture cross europe. he's fascinated by prague stunning old town and of course no visit to the czech capital is complete without seeing the famous fourteenth century charles bridge.
even says some things remind him of his native edinburgh. a lot of street music and artists a lot of and so on. but i think prague is. it's very different i think actually nicer than i expected i think yeah the buildings are really amazing when you see with your own eyes. so very i think it's worse to come because it's lighter in person. this interest take it has been paid for by the european union. after even proposed to travel reach unsuccessfully answer to your a coup is a cheery picked him along with fourteen thousand nine hundred ninety nine other lucky eighteen year olds from the e.u. to embark on this unique trip through europe. the free interest program is the idea of martin spear and vincent him on the hill who lobbied brussels to introduce a travel programme for young europeans. the intro ticket itself has been around
since one nine hundred seventy two. motion shapira and vincent a man would have been a free travel across the continent can help youngsters overcome stereotypes about the european neighbors. that's what the two of them experienced when they themselves went on an intellect fancher years ago. these are. great hospitality we were in people's homes for dinner. cities were visiting at the time. some would even let others know we were coming to the city a lot of those work he moments for us all the new connections those new friendships that we struck up to us that really felt like europe. have a place we got a whole new perspective on europe and truly understand that europe is not so much about its laws or politics but about the diversity of its people hard. many of the lucky fifteen thousand teens are sharing their travel experiences on social media
describing their encounters with the europeans but does this actually help forge a sense of european identity. critics point out that it does little good if all these young travelers do is part of the nicer way. atum gibson for his past that's valid to spend time exploring the history of the countries he visits in prague museum of communism and is in learns about the emergence of the former czechoslovakia and its times to the soviet union. he's one aware that after breaks that other british youngsters like him will no longer have an opportunity to win a free internet ticket. he's deeply disappointed with the outcome of the referendum . i think a lot of people voted blindly initially and they didn't really know what they were buzzing about they were kind of following government propaganda like communism actually. and then it's time for
a cold beer. this is after all the home country of the pirs not. after two days in prague it's time for aden gibson to move on in trail could be described as a kind of speed dating that here you've barely gotten to know place and you're confronted with another stranger. and quite often you travel alone which is just what eighteen year old. can really meet someone. other solo travelers. actually made maybe make some difference over the way you can actually have a very good time traveling solo so i would recommend. the next stops for aid in vienna but it has and. he'll visit for european countries in two weeks and take lots of fresh impressions home to edinburgh. and you can follow his travels on our instagram site ok this is he is the mother of all invention but for you tube
or an inventor i've been miranda his main goal is just to have fun miranda invents all sorts of objects from remote controlled beach cars to giant printers his inventions don't always serve a purpose but they have gained a large following on you tube we caught up with ivan miranda in action in spain. hi everyone we had a going to make my dad go in. and attack with colorful kind of. the. ukulele from a three d. printer. red beach bug that floats. well almost. these are all creations by spanish inventor even the runner up here using san sebastian bay at six thirty in the morning along with them is one of the contraptions he's designed to assemble themselves. if that's what i want them in but i do this is
a robot that can write anything i want in the sound. and yet i built it because i want to get what we're going to doesn't have a purpose in itself. but when i have an idea and i kid i have to do something with it i want to how. the inventor film toussaint drawing robots first test run and uploaded it on through to you tube. within four weeks the video got more than two hundred thirty thousand hits the robot's writing was upside down at first but ebon loved it anyway. so. and this is our it looks right side up. to really be able to use the beach as his drawing board miranda had to get there
early that's when the tide is low in the sand especially smooth and no sunbathers or swimmers have left any footprints yet oh wait if there's no getting out of it if anybody got it draws and writes everything i want in the sun that is so cold. when he's not testing his creations in the sand iran is tinkering with them in his workshop in the middle of san sebastian. today he's repairing his remote control tank. now thirty eight he's been fascinated by electronic and digital gadgetry since he was a kid. in addition to his part time office job the family man can now learn a living from clips like these he thinks being a you tuber is the best job ever. and i think. he said i had to give it this time because a legitimate project that would be so serious we said it would take all the fun out
of it. i get in contrast i can crush my tank and i can make it loud foster i didn't read anything i want and they gave me to go to something i think that's what people like about my videos give it a look at it without it. he has almost seventy thousand subscribers on youtube and they like the videos where everything goes wrong. the sound. before he takes his writing robot out on the beach she programs the kind of lettering he wants. he drives inventions have a short lifespan he can't store them in a small workshop anyway usually either gives them away or has to scrap them. from the drawing board to completion a turkey farm to render three weeks to make his writing robot this time news
printing a very special message on the beach in san sebastian. art when it's hot outside the appetite tends to weigh in so fish is always a good summer alternative to a hearty meal for today's our card we're going to sample a specialty from northern spain as is raw salt cod served in the salad perfect for this time of year during at some a vacation by the mediterranean night if he seems to go down best. he can be found among the old cuisine dishes served at the sunday boss questran in a form on a street name the next demand. shafik tacoma is favorite dish is a salt called salad simple yet sophisticated i mean for me memories play an
important role in dining when you eat something that's top quality and at the same time it reminds you of your childhood and that's the best central experience you're going to have. for your. taste ponse have already learned there's a now trying to. not pure emotions about it makes dining out experience but i. tend to call my spies the vegetables from my salad at the street markets in. a nearby town of land as smart as sweet green onions bell peppers and green beans. then he heads for a fish store that only sells salted and dried cars present a few using a traditional method to contact almost no fat so much of soups the salt completely through the poles and the fish doesn't spoil.
the muslim but i will buy this piece here the mid section from the back of this will be it's been soaked in water for five days and then another two days with the water being changed three or four times a day to draw out the salt. you know and i yelled and now it's become quite a bit thicker again as it is to take this piece here it's got its original coloring back and it's ready tailored to another color. you know you're very much selling his card is a staple in catalan cuisine it's eaten fried steam it'll roll it was once considered a poor man's food but now it features on the menus in top class restaurants back in the restaurant it doesn't take long to make the sound it.
cut the green onions marinate them away cherry even into and set them aside. diced the tomatoes and green belt have. quickly blanch the fat. challenge them into cold water and come into slices. now the fish by hand. almost but again you do it by hand because you have to set. right the fish from the wind and fibers running through it and then you enter into it. you want to get rid of them to make the fish clean and transparent like that but i guess. that's a lot of work but it produces a wonderful purity a flavor that it is. going to want to get to where that. makes the vegetables in a ball. dress the salted fish with china blossoms and on the foil.
ideally stener it with a fork. now it's time to serve the sounds may s. for layout that's the tomato and the fish and then the rest of the vegetables. when a fish is deep frozen to preserve it and as it is done nowadays that changes the tank but i'm pilot remembers what it once knew that's rooted in our memory it's not like there's a lesson all of us never forget it was the authentic tanks to fix he was one of them and that's why soldier called as a part of the go make cooking today help. song contest salad a traditional dish from catalonia that's achieved cult status. and quite different from what regular we. are that we come to the end of the show
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could leave. behind a lot of people. on match day three by last hoffenheim their earliest campaign defeat since twenty eleven and with their os rivals don't mean playing up a storm the storm clouds were gathering on high in munich. i think if you remember when you buy arrived in october we were five points behind the leaders of the time. simply not good enough a pie in a pots of company with. have done much to find kids was back in the hell. my task is to put together a team again. no sooner said than done to clean sheet wins against freiburg and how but the champions had found their group got a plan b. assigned. seating then came the big points against the previous seasons runners up lights and
still have i top of the table at the mid-season break for the twenty third time in the new year but i'm picked up where they left off a misery game is now in a western you could form i hope but you can see that. i. i signed on a long loan from real madrid the colombian superstar soon a climatized to life in munich off the pitch at fan club meetings as well as the traditional october face visit and on it swiftly establishing himself as one of bias he creative attack is carving up opposition defenses with his superpower technique and quick thinking and revelling in his new advance playmaking role and behind. us you need to know how to get out. your confidence which is he's been in football a long time i tried to learn from him every day he's a coach with a lot of experience to pass on to his players. and the players were evidently
taking a tumble. and that's like you can tell by the football we're playing now. as demonstrated in the return meeting with dortmund immune i think you could do with i. buy and biggest win in this picture since nine hundred seventy one with paul in a starring role i. thirty five pens a new deal for the coming season. i was certainly proud but i was like a family. fellow evergreens are a robin and breath femia followed suit position was that it's pretty special to ten years of such a big club. with five games to spare buy and seal this six straight title another entry for the record books. mostly because you can't read a highly enough book and answer shots and they save the big party for the final match day trophy time with the obligatory be
a shower and now just one task left. hopefully we can do the double for the club and for you what i know for the i put the cup final on those went to frankfurt and the cocoa batch by an incoming coach looks made to measure for their relentlessly high ambitions next if you're all going. next season and finish up here with more trophies. my stars charlotte number twenty seven for brian another one for the record books but only one title left by a longing for a lot more. look good times have returned the shock of finishing second and back in the champions league plus one of the most remarkable revered of ease ever seen. gail's in churches in the heart of the road district. where football is king dressed in royal blue. i shall top back with their best season in
any. picture book campaign for the fans and black love. and the new coach dominica disco shark i have become a model of efficiency possession not important pretty football unnecessary but stability tenacity the thirty two year old tactician worked his motivational magic on the team the fans the whole world blue family. we are always together in bed time saying good times. to people here in this club this is the difference between chalk and other clubs. a good season for shaka has to include root district bragging rights over arch rivals door. to a combustible hemisphere a lot of pressure to usually multination that here and above all a lot of on
a rush says if. their first meeting of the season threaten to end in a debacle to discos inform visitors found themselves being taken apart or nailed down at half time what followed was a comeback for the. history. books . shot up a little. pressing and pressing. it's just.
as it. does i'll remember this forever and so will the friends this is one of those games you never forget. the stock is the team come in montreal but it fits shocker well now the. maya the sansa mbulelo gorecki and all the rest of the. district darby takes to. the show.
dorman's downs and now also once again strutting his stuff at the shop and this time with a trademark set piece rocket's. his it really well. yes i'm just delighted i was able to help the same problems as he. came into that when he was down to attitude individual players getting everything they have. second in the table to memorable road district darby's and along the way to return to the champions league it's been a picture book season in row blue for the fans and shall go back among the been a sneak a big. leipsic leverkusen and hoffenheim. three young teams who took the fight for the champions and europa league places down to the final match day. after
a sensational second places newcomers leipsic kicked off their second bundesliga season with justified high hopes they went to dortmund and won but delightfully dotty didn't like from the execute five years of. home they beat eventual runners up shocker top dogs but then also departed leipsic empty handed. yet reached my the people it was an important win by i hope just because that's all i have back in the champions league next on the chance you could see but the red bulls also showed a less happy face this season like their home defeat to cellar dwellers kilo. and on match day thirty two beaten three nil at meit's a fatal blow to their champions league hopes. into universe as a kind of nigerian most of them are doing is the moment he's not so easy to keep
recovering from sat back. to just. sit face at the finish but leipsic aiming higher after two productive years of the club route possible hopeful will not be there furthur. the europa league is reward enough for labor who is in this time around after the disappointments of the season before direct attacking football is back on the bahrain a menu sept up by a gifted ensemble eager to entertain. aware very motivated but the funny way i know the porch is going to percent behind us and we can that's one of the more. i go ahead and breathe fresh life into the team in this first season in charge with many of the younger players really blossoming. hostile to school just. six times. but as with leipsic inconsistency was
a recurring issue over this season. since he had no heat so we're not ready to be calling ourselves a top slot and i know that we also have managed to win three games in a row this season going to green in the end the only missed out on the champions league by goal difference but fifth place has a finish liveth who is and can gladly live with. match day thirty four parties own hoffenheim. taxi. that very own final and they want to free one against dortmund third in the table and into the champions me some experience with the extra yellows and kept the faith the place is the maximum reached a week his house how he survived the league second highest score is behind by and
with a lively frontline trio wreaking havoc opposition defenses. jobs. my book. but. he struck. young and ambitious that's hoffenheim all around they've come a long way already. that's sleepy village of three thousand old souls in germany's southwest now firmly etched on the european football match. the agony of relegation the tension of the playoffs and the joy of promotion. who went down and. who survived and who came up. with. its.
rather gets it from a business but this time. they couldn't stave it off any longer the players coach and fans the end of an era and unfailing presence in the bundesliga from day one after an incredible fifty five years hamburg stay is over. and employees disappointed feet long it will take time to absorb this and it'll be a painful it's really sad that's when they see it and i say things are going. to try to prevent it marcus get stolen off the match day nineteen and then came back seven games no win by match states twenty seven christan teats was in charge and things start to look up. how things look but. somehow i don't have to work i think these. victims i'm sure the
medication for thirteen points from their last eight games but it wasn't quite enough. hamburger gone from the bundesliga the coach's task now is to get them back as soon as possible. because i'm beginning to. i'm grateful for the show of trust i mean grateful to the management and also to the families in a huge vote of confidence in myself and my coaching staff and the first one above in mind then i stopped pushing tom. matchday forty peter sturgess final game as coach of cologne three points from their first fourteen games of the season an all time record low for the industry. good success a step back and almost impossible task coach cam players set about giving it their best shot over say. it's. like the. heart.
and suddenly their belief was back. to deliver opportunity from his end when a lot of these affect the finals and tried to pull off a miracle he himself. it was a big odds too big to be on the back of a historically bad stuff after match day thirty two cologne where fishley down trish is a sixteen bit bitterly disappointing thing for me should never about this happen a spokesman also for strength coach marcus einfeld has joined from kiel while stars like us hector and tina horn are committed to operation bounceback that's going to go ahead and it's why we're going down as a collective that's a huge part of why guys like you are not smart to her and myself i was staying at home but. he did it again bruno love idea the unwilling to pull coach this time in charge of balls bug and they were in the playoffs for the second year running.
still was. leaking state says he sees it. some of it is the team stuck together and struggled through again that's my solution not a happy end to their worst ever been this league a season. three coaches for the wills and love idea eventually one of them clear now alongside new sporting director york's must you have to take them to a better place just comes through the situation the stronger it can help us to grow and i'm confident it will get the. party time. i missed nurnberg to football institutions back in the bundesliga after a summit meeting at the finish with the bundesliga to toss it on the line this little took the honors and return to the pool in this league after five years away. the
number of the wait has been one year less now their fans can look forward to top flight football once again two big clubs with a wealth of tradition welcome back. for young players who took the league by storm four talents on the rise delighting us with their skills trickery and outstanding goals. all-stars ascendance in twenty seventeen eighteen and now breen bailey boys and bruma. to secure hosts not on loan from bahrain for the season the twenty three year old germany international was particularly productive after the mid-season break fourteen games and directly involved in twelve goals at the break i want to get to go he was off limits what to do.
with the dutch if the. ten goals for the season plus five assists a better return than either of you bet he will rob it his potential rivals for a starting spot of bind this coming season. he says cannot bury a key contributor late surge into the champions league. because the young talent from kingston jamaica the funders league it with the full front line package technique close control pace and some simply sublime finishing. up the things that. i have. nine goals seven assists he was directly involved in over a quarter of leverkusen scholes. it's legal but he said. the p.c.
. opposition defenses learn to be very wary of his deadly left foot and with bailey spectacular assistance leverkusen booked their place in the europa league. for the. top of the goals and assists shots for surprise package frank but the twenty three year old wide midfielder has exploded on the bundesliga scene as both provider and scorer. i. hate to say spent five goals to his name all clinically dispatched with his reliable like a fast dynamic and first a tile down out of the flight. in the fossil end of the top next season the journey continues with stuart.
twenty three years old and another explosive wide midfielder rumah really came into his own down the home straight twenty eight appearances in his debut win this nigga season. comes on that was lady. was. the portugal international back three of these four league olds for life sake after the mid-season break. really going to prove that it showed the time since i was the coach. to simply say. swiftly settling down in the bundesliga the left sided specialist made nine starting appearances over the second half of the campaign helping leipzig to a sixth place finish and then another taste of european football in our brief ballyvaughan bruma full fast rising stars with all it takes to reach the very top. of the
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