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Laura Ingraham shines a spotlight on everyday Americans and examines how their lives are affected by politics at the federal, state and local level.
Laura Ingraham shines a spotlight on everyday Americans and examines how their lives are affected by politics at the federal, state and local level.
Laura Ingraham shines a spotlight on everyday Americans and examines how their lives are affected by politics at the federal, state and local level.
Laura Ingraham shines a spotlight on everyday Americans and examines how their lives are affected by politics at the federal, state and local level.
Laura Ingraham shines a spotlight on everyday Americans and examines how their lives are affected by politics at the federal, state and local level.
pleas. >> jason: a case that has nothing to do with the original manafort directive. >> this is drum's campaign chairman. it was his campaign chairman. >> jason: anyone that has ever worked for you -- >> paul manafort here has been found guilty. look -- >> jason: of what? something he did a long time ago? >> the team took a gamble, the case in exile andrea virginia, hoping for a much more conservative jury. >> jason: you don't believe that he would have been prosecutor except for his proximity to donald trump? >> they looked at him. i agree, his proximity to donald trump brought the case. it doesn't mean that the only thing. >> jason: if someone has grown to the tax laws, i want them to be convicted. but to have the national spotlight on them just because he's worked for 100 days for donald trump seems a bit on the top. let me get tom's take a mess. tom, what do you think is happening here with paul manafort? >> a few things, i do think he was the wrong guy in the wrong
place at the wrong time. look, the fact that bob mueller is poking around, mueller has a broad mandate, the authority to investigate any crimes he uncovers in the course of investigating russian collusion. unfortunately for manafort him up at the spotlight on him. i think as far as a president goes, i think there is no legal jeopardy to the president from today's verdict, as we all know, this involves things that they are not connected to manafort's work on the campaign or manafort services donald trump. i think at most the president is guilty of making a very poor personal decision when he chose manafort to be his campaign chairman. >> jason: but the reason the president picked manafort, i mean, that could be debated. but the question about -- there's a reason why the special counsel, right, decided to push this off to a different prosecutor rather than holding it for himself, correct, tom? >> manafort was tried by the special counsel's team to this part of the case, mueller is keeping close to heart. i agree with you that if manafort -- >> jason: i guess the point i should make, worded better, why do that? is he now putting the squeeze on
mr. manafort, saying, i made my case, you are going to be convicted here, you have been convicted, and i'm going to put the squeeze on you, you better caught something up on donald or i'm going to actually -- is that is what is going on? >> mueller's team has been putting the squeeze on manafort for many, many months now, and he hasn't caved. i suppose the pressure will continue although at this point, manafort has lost a lot of the leverage that he had at the outset, given that he stands criminally convicted for a that says, it's possible that at some point they'll reach a deal. manafort has another trial coming up in a few months, there might be an opportunity to do wheeling and dealing. i tend to think of manafort has a bigger value to get to mueller and he was willing to turned over to mueller, you think mueller would have it by now. >> jason: let's talk about michael cohen. that's a different scenario. vinoo, how do you read that situation? >> the first thing, i think this is a big political victory for the republicans today, with announcing that michael cohen is trump's personal attorney paid
hush money to a porn star and playboy model. he's an attorney, this is a guy who has committed a crime, multiple, tax evasion, violation of campaign finance laws. he is going to be automatically disbarred. the question is, how much time on the base plan bars? the deal says 43 to 63 months but that judge can give much more than that. that is the reality of the case. so for him, it leaves open the possibility of cooperating. there are still an opportunity to cooperate. i wouldn't be surprised at all of the december date is pushed back. >> jason: harmeet, how do you read this situation and i think it's pretty interesting who michael cohen picked as his attorney, because lanny davis is obviously no friend of donald trump but very close in proximity to hillary clinton. >> a couple things to give in mind about michael cohen. he is a guy who tapes his clients that he's a guy, who, a
few months ago, looking at potentially 60 years in prison for these potential charges, that is when he was saying the president had nothing to do with any of this stuff and there is no campaign finance issue. fast-forward to today, when he were facing 60 years in prison on the altar and alternative is five years in prison and you cat that five year deal if you say that a couple of things that aren't crimes are crimes, and pin them on the president. so i think that the overwhelming power of prosecutors here in those situations in every situations have led to this result. lanny davis has really sold his client out because i think it is a real stretch -- i'm a lawyer does election law, campaign finance data a real stretch to say that someone says that paying off hush money to a blackmailer is necessarily trying to affect the outcome of an election. i suspect that throughout his career, donald trump has been approached by women like this who have shaken him down and
this is a standard way that people are paid off and i don't see that campaign finance violation here at all, and so it is really unfortunate that he was forced into the situation and did this. again, nothing to do with collusion or russia and no crime here for the president. >> jason: jonathan turley, noted attorney come on fox news earlier criminals listen to him and tom, i would like to get your reaction to that. >> unless its unidentified candidates as bernie sanders, it's going to be bad news. you are not paying attention. if the prosecutors accept what is in this indictment, then the president just became an unindicted coconspirator. that is a simple matter of it. >> jason: tom, you've got deep experience a department of justice. as jonathan turley right? >> not quite by the way i look at it, for one thing over the fact that cohen pleaded to a particular charge doesn't mean that other people are automatically deemed guilty. that is why we have trials, evidence, that is why we have
juries making these determinations. i will also say that one of the most complex and byzantine areas in the entire sphere of federal law as the election code. end lawyers will argue to the ants day about whether something constitutes -- ms doesn't. to me what this will come down to is whether cohen has something other than his own word this is what happened, that these payments were made for the purpose of influencing a campaign, that they were done with the direction of presumably donald trump. if cohen has trump on tape, if cohen has evidence to support his allegations, then it can pose greater jeopardy for the president but right now, all we know is it's just cohen's word against presumably the president's word. >> jason: but there are tapes. it is a trump team able to hear and listen to all of these tapes if they are in the possession of the special prosecutor? or is that something that they may have only heard snippets of? >> my guess is the president has not heard everything that is in the possession of the prosecutors. lord knows what sorts of things cohen was taping. there have been some tape that
addresses some of the subject matter of today's indictment, we don't know if those are all of them and the tapes that we have heard have been somewhat ambiguous to say the least. >> jason: but vinoo, i have a hard time believing that this is the dash first of all, i have not heard the word "russia" yet and "collusion." you haven't seen anything there regarding russian collusion, have you? >> that's not what this is about. >> jason: i know but this is with a special prosecutor is spending all of his time, about a guy who is dealing with medallions on taxis -- >> that's the tax evasion part of it. you have here, donald trump's personal lawyer, the man who said he would take a bullet for donald trump, who has now said in open court that at the direction of the candidate, he funneled this money to influence the election. right? the question of russia collusion, that's a separate question. the fact is -- >> jason: what's the prime question of what the prosecutor supposed to be going for? >> he can investigate different things. all of us came from us and the fact that you have trump's
national security advisor, his former campaign -- >> jason: there is a lot of evidence out there that he was manipulated along the way. >> all guilty. >> jason: harmeet, last read, how do you read the situation going forward? what happens next? >> obviously, the left and is divided country is going to go crazy like vinoo just did, guilt by association here. but this is a tragic tale of a lawyer gone awry in many ways and it's important for him personally. but the president has done mike is very focused on his agenda, popular, wouldn't be surprised f this doesn't affect his popularity one branch because people are beginning to see the results in this country and yet after all of this money, all of this effort, drama, all these indictments, all he is god is zero to do with russia collusion company on the person who committed campaign finance violations with respect to russia, court foreign countries, is hillary clinton, and she nevr got indicted. i think this really underscores with the president's position that this is a witch hunt to end
legitimate needs to end by >> jason: thank you. i appreciated. harmeet, gentlemen, we appreciated. authorities say the murder suspect in the molly tibbetts cases and illegal immigrants immigrants. we'll have the details on this shocking situation directly ahead. stay with us. (woman) learned to play an instrument.
gavin, former assistant fbi director in new york. gentlemen, i think you all for being here. and fortunately you've had experience with these types of horrific cases. we want to get your insight because not only is the family going through an amazing traged tragedy, but the police work, 30 fortieths, an important thing that we also look at and we want to get your perspective on it. mark, i would like to go to you first. what is your assessment of how law enforcement dealt with this case and does it sound to you -- again, it's an allegation, and b, it is not very early in this process. for a probation want to have seen so far, in your professional experience, what is your assessment? >> i think the written media kind of skips over the police investigation, making it seem like it all happened in a day or two. i think they were very patient, i think they approached a very intelligent and very skillful approach once they had a suspect, when i got to interrogation. the suspect didn't just walk in and give enough information. they had enough investigative tools at their disposal to
actually prod that suspect into somewhat of an -- somewhat of a confession. he leaves out that he actually murdered the victim but i think the police did an incredible job. >> jason: he says he actually blacked out during the time that the actual murder happened. but you have experience in the fbi, if someone leads you to the body, is there any more evidence that you need that maybe this was the actual perpetrator? >> i don't think there is any doubt he's the perpetrator. i agree with mark, i think the police did a terrific job. one of the concerns that i have is, how long did he stock her, by what means did he kill her, strangulation, blunt force trauma, stabbing, whatever, where she sexually molested? i think the other thing, jason, that concerns me, he was in the country, they say, four to seven years, four years, and maybe three years or more else. they need to go back and look and see. has there been any other crime
similar to this? there is no he stalked her. has there been any other similar crimes? in the sanctuary cities? where has he been, what has he done? >> jason: he was charged with first-degree murder. as ajith joe mike lead you to believe that he was stocking her as opposed to a chance happening, she was running, driving back, decided, this would be a good target? >> i think he was probably stalking her. the police did a marvelous job. they didn't let out any information until they had the details pretty well collected and lined up for the information that they give out this afternoon. they did a marvelous job with this. another thing, we get so many people complaining about cameras, the civil liberties are violated when they appear on camera, the police did have trigger a drop in contacting people as they went through thio had a camera who saw the chevy malibu, who actually saw the runner. what a great job they did, and have done my cats after the police department. >> jason: smaller
law enforcement organization, not like the los angeles police department with ample number of assets other disposal, for a smaller department like that to do this kind of police work. michael, it does beg the question, deriding me in studio, this person should have never been in the country in the first place, right? an allegation but we should have never been here, right? >> thank you for having me come adjacent. a horrible, senseless act of violence, my heart goes after the family. there should be called on my cloak consequences to this man for committing this murder for the rest of his life. the truth is, the political arena of immigration is not going to be satiated through legislation. you can to legislate your way out of a murder. it's many ways -- >> jason: you can put up a wall. you can enforce -- you can start expelling people that are here illegally. >> i understand but when you look at the facts, we have u.s. marines that marry foreign nationals and the vetting here is critical. even if you bet, you have more
u.s. citizens grieving, more heinous crimes, undocumented or legally permitted -- >> jason: he would have never been able to even have a chance to commit a crime if he was here in the first place. >> you are saying we need to shut our doors and not have them here. i don't know how you can stop a murderer, despite all of the -- >> jason: if he's here illegally, that says to me, at least on the first blush, that he should have never been here. what about the million people we bring on legally and lawfully? i have a higher moral obligation, i think this country has come much of those people then it does -- >> i agree. i agree with the other two speakers, former director of the fbi and the officer, because in all truth, when it comes down to it, the beautiful police work that is being done, the system here, should standard we should have redundancies between state, local, and federal crimes, so that the vetting doesn't stop. what about the people who radicalize, who are citizens, when they travel internationally and come back to the u.s.? if a local cop gets them, and
reports it redundantly to the intelligent services, yes, jason, we should be able to stop us but we cannot blame immigrants as the scapegoat. >> jason: i'm blaming this one. >> sim too as a father. >> jason: i worry, not having a total immigration debate -- but there is a difference between being here illegally and being here illegally. you do a disservice to the illegal immigrants by just saying, this guy was an immigrant, no, he wasn't, he was an illegal immigrant. it's an allegation at this point. i want to get back to the case here. mark, he's being charged with first-degree murder. what is it going to take to prove that? what would police have proceed in order for a prosecutor to feel comfortable that, yeah, it was actually first-degree? >> it's first-degree because he wasn't involved with the victim. it wasn't a hot blood murder where he was involved in an argument with a spouse or a live-in girlfriend. this was a directed intent to murder where he actually formed the intent, which can be formed in just a matter of seconds, to
actually kill her, and they are going to do this forensically. they've got him to get to the point of capturing her, and then he blocks out until he's -- she's in the trunk. so they are going to fill that gap in forensically, they are going to have the cause and method of death, they are trying to get as much dna. the problem here is, 30 days in the elements, insects, animals, and the heat, which is the average temperature is about 87 degrees in iowa at this time of year, that creates a lot of decomposition. but i think they are going to achieve their goal and they will get a first-degree conviction. >> jason: bill, is the fbi, the federal bureau of investigation, helping these smaller departments and agencies? do they have the types of resources and can they quickly turn us around to help a smaller agency such as in iowa? >> absolutely. that is why the fbi has a resident agencies all over the country. in the smaller areas.
the participation of agents and police officers and sheriffs offices is is terrific today. plus, there's the opportunity for the bureau to run classes and whatnot and for police departments, larger the police department, to run those kind of classes for smaller police department as well. the spirit of cooperation is there. anytime i police department want something done, comes to the bureau, it will absolutely get e country. >> jason: the fbi, one of the great spots for the fbi these days is the work that they do in their forensic labs they are at quantico and whatnot. michael, i want to ask you one less question here. this kid is and a half situation. i don't want to say kid. i will call him a punk or a killer, at least a wedge, he will be in a very difficult situation. does he have any chance of wiggling out of this at this point? >> we saw sadly with the kate steinle case, the state did not bring a good prosecution for a different forensics, very distinguished law enforcement officer spoke about today, i am
a former federal prosecutor myself, it is or is the first step. the prosecution has to be ironclad. i have to agree, it has to be strong and with due process to make sure that we send the message out, it's not scapegoating immigrations because of this son of a gun's work. >> jason: illegal immigrants. marco might last, very quick read. what are the immigration policies happening right now? how was that affecting the los angeles area? >> i can tell you this, we never know what crimes are not committed because an illegal alien is doctor the border. that is indisputable. you can't even argue that point. but the flood of illegal immigrants that are gang members is what is the catastrophic effect in communities and you can control this by saying we are going to let some come across the border and we are not going to let others. it's got to be illegal immigration policy or no immigration illegally. it's an issue that can't be
debated, that if you let somebody come in illegally, and they are a criminal, they are going to commit crimes, just like this crime. >> jason: gentlemen, thank you. i wish we had more time to discuss this. this case will we go on. for the meantime, god bless this family and what they are doing tonight, the friends and family in that community. governor mike huckabee is here to discuss the political fallout of all today's major stories. stay with us. he's up next.
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play out for the average american? >> it was not the best day for the president request two people closely associated with him either were convicted or pled g. whether or not that stink ends up on him, time will tell. i think a lot of a lot of his supporters are not going to be persuaded by an attorney who has admittedly lied and by somebody who did things that are nothing to do with donald trump event happened years before he was even briefly associated with the campaign. but let's be honest, this is not the kind of thing that if you are donald trump, you want to have at the end of the day, two converging legal issues. but in the greater scheme of things, most people recognize this had nothing to do with russia, which was the whole point of the mueller investigation, and it also doesn't really show that there is a single-handed form of justice being applied to democrats like hillary clinton, whose campaign funded the russian dossier, and all of these things surrounding the
president. so i don't think that we know whether it is going to have a big impact. my guess is, in a long term, it doesn't. but time will tell. i do think there is a huge impact on this issue with mollie tibbetts and what a heartbreaking situation. congressman, i heard rogers at a moment ago, couldn't agree with you more. you can't look at the stress from a real political standpoint. as you said, you look at this as a father, as a dad, and i just can't even get my arms around the grief of mollie tibbetts' family prayed and the fact that this person shouldn't have been here, if there is not a pushbact open borders and sanctuary cities in the philadelphia mayor dancing in his office over sanctuary cities, i don't know what it is. >> jason: look at the average voter. i understand where republicans will be leaning one side and the democrats will be leaning -- but this truly independent person, the person who is maybe not watching every story and rating every news article that comes
out, i -- personally, i don't believe that the cohen and manafort story really moves the meter in any one direction, especially when they lost so much credibility of the last two years. but what does touch the heart, what does touch people's emotions is what happened to mollie tibbetts because they can relate to her and she was murdered! all the polls are showing that the number one issue is inflation. people say don't politicize it but how do we talk about in the same time not be criticized for being, you know, just throwing politics out. >> i find it interesting, congressman, that you've got a lot of democrats saying, we shouldn't be politicizing the mollie tibbetts' murder but they are the ones that absolutely overwhelmingly politicize parkland school shooting and every shooting that happens. it's a natural emotional reaction but what we have to do is examine policies to determine, can we fix that, can we do better?
there is not a lot of sympathy among even our vulcans paul manafort for tax evasion ok documents. i don't care who you are, democrat or republican. you got to have to pay off and he is going to. if michael cohen committed crimes that he is going to have to answer for that. just because a new donald trump or had a relationship with him does not mean that whatever they attached to the president, certainly not the manafort, but all of us were attached to the unnecessary death of a young lady whose life was ahead of her and who is dead because we had a broken immigration system and i think the republicans have a great opportunity to say, let's fix this. say to the democrats, work with us to fix it and if you don't, then please don't tell us that you care about murder of these girls and the immigration policies that we've got to fix. >> jason: governor, i really
do appreciate your perspective. very kind of you to join us this evening. there are other sides to this story. another perspective on the other side of the aisle, so deriding me and now his democratic strategist jason nichols. jason, thank you so much for joining me. i do appreciate it. i want to pick up from governor huckabee, the number one issue going into the election prior to this week is immigration. yesterday, we ran stories about a person who was supposedly with his wife going to the hospital but i.c.e. picked her up and then they ran all the stories about how heartless b12 b12 wa, ends up that he was wanted for murder, and the mexican government wanted us to detain him. here, we have the allegation of the murder by an illegal immigrant, again, an allegation of a young woman who was going to be a junior in iowa. how is this not an issue and how is it that democrats think that they can actually take the
positions that they have no immigration and win? >> well, i don't think anyone says this is not an issue and really quickly, i just want to send my heartfelt condolences out to the tibbetts family and also to the university of iowa. i'm at the university of maryland and we have had some recent high profile deaths and i have had students who have passed away, so i want to send my condolences to that entire community. i don't think democrats are saying that immigration is not an issue and as a matter of fact, many are saying that this is a major issue and that we need comprehensive immigration reform. this is something that you, as a member of congress or former member of congress, know that both sides of the aisle agree that this is a major issue. we just don't agree on how to fix it and we don't think that separating families was the way to go about it. we don't think that some of the cruel policies -- >> jason: wait a second. donald trump didn't think we should be separating families, either party that started in the obama administration. >> come on, jason.
that is absolutely untrue. you know that catch and release -- >> jason: i was on the immigration subcommittee at the judiciary committee and -- >> i understand, jason. catch and release with the obama policy. you might say that was flawed. >> jason: yes, i was. >> separation of families, zero tolerance with a trump policy. separation of families was a trump policy, -- >> jason: wasn't an obama policy? you know it was. >> it was not a zero-tolerance policy. >> jason: those pictures were not under barack obama? >> this sounds a lot like what about-ism. you are a lot better than that. >> jason: facts will prove. i like it could make it going. let me ask you this. democrats are advocating, big people like christian jell-o brand at senator warren, are advocating the abolish of i.c.e. i've never seen a national party
win collection by advocating getting rid of law enforcement and trying to demonize them as if they are trying to be something wrong other than -- i was at a winning issue for democrats? >> this is oftentimes misunderstood. i think what people are calling for when they say the abolition of i.c.e., they are talking about restructuring i.c.e. we think that i.c.e. definitely does a great job when they are catching cyber criminals and catching child pornographers and doing many of the jobs that -- >> jason: murderers. >> that many of them actually, a couple, i think it was 19 members of i.c.e. said we want to focus on those important jobs, not on separating families and doing some of the other things that -- >> jason: you are so conflating the issue. i.c.e. does not detain those people. they don't! when people come across the border, illegally, they don't necessarily going to i.c.e. the tension. it is homeland -- >> again, you are
misunderstanding what it is that i am saying. of course we know that i.c.e. is not responsible for border enforcement, that is cbp. border patrol. what i'm saying is that i.c.e. does, you know, and the communities that i used to live in, many years ago, they use to actually do read that all kinds of things and separate hardworking families. so one of the things that we are saying is that we need to restructure this particular law enforcement agency, just because i.c.e. is a relatively new agency, as a matter of fact. >> jason: that the democrats helped create, by the way. they are enforcing laws that democrats voted unsupported for. jason, i wish i could give going with you. i love these kinds of debates. i know you believe wholeheartedly in what you are saying and we hope you have you back on this program again but i got to keep moving on. thank you, jason. >> thank you, jason. >> jason: protesters toppled a confederate statue at the university of north carolina. is it mob rule or justified?
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[protesters chanting] [screams] >> jason: university leaders condemned the students actions are not cooperating with a criminal investigation. joining me and reaction on horace cooper, cochair of project 21 and civil rights attorney eric johnson. eric, the day before school starts, the students how are gathered, they are for a couple of hours in the know, they are not just engaging in free speech, but they are actually engaging in taking this thing down. what is your take on this? is this free speech or is this sort of mob rule? what is your take on it? >> i think it is really a combination of both. it is an expression of free speech and the fact that many people are upset with the images that a lot of these studies
portray. however, the fact that they did destroy public property is something of the university will take into consideration. their methods and handling here are something that may not have been the best, however, i do believe that the university administration needed to take into consideration the sentiment in that particular community, as it related to the statues, not only from individuals who didn't like them, but also some of the sentiment that they may invest and grow in individuals who seem to support them, and tell him i cannot outdated way of thinking. >> jason: eric, they are made be a legitimate debate but aren't you concerned that here in a college campus, always on, they are just saying, hey, they are allowing this to continue, i mean, this is breaking the law, is it not? >> it is breaking the law but you have to understand, you also have similar situations at the university had won the championship. there's also a lot of vandalism and things that goes on then. so at least this particular time it is not just a simple celebration of a sporting event, but these individuals are
actively exercising their free speech rights and doing something that -- >> jason: it went overboard. i want to bring in horace. it wasn't just simply free speech. it was breaking the law! correct? >> i understand it was breaking the law. >> jason: no, i want to go to horace. we got horace here with us as well. horace, jump in here. >> couple of things. one, to equate what happened when college students drink too much, become overly exuberant, and celebrate, and resulting damages with intentional destruction of private property, those are not one in the same, those are not to be treated the same way. he has, some damages can resulte very, very vigilant about making sure we are not telling young people -- when you have a personal or political difference that the way to resolve
that is with the use of force. >> jason: eric, do you agree with that or disagree with it? horace makes a great point. do you agree or disagree with that? >> i would agree to a point. the fact is, we never want individuals to resort to violence to solve everything. however, we have to look at the underlying reason at which the violence is being exhibited. >> jason: absolutely. but you are saying is justified? >> i never said it is justified -- >> jason: you absolutely -- >> however, i'd did not say it is justifying it on my justified. the fact is, you have to understand what is going on and if you have writing situations where it goes on, whether they are for celebration or whether they are for the expression of free speech, they both have to be looked at for exactly what they are. so in this particular situation, we have a confederate statue, which is a divisive symbol on that campus that was toppled down. therefore, there is an understandable reason -- >> jason: air, should this be will be prosecuted?
yes or no? >> i do believe in some sort of fashion, there should be some punishment because they did, as i stated, in an ordered society -- >> jason: horace, what is your take? what should happen to the students that engage? >> they should be held accountable. here's the problem. the real problem is this: democrats put up the statues. democrats engaged in behavior during my parents and grandparents and great-grandparents lifetime terrorizing them. what we have learned from this event is there are people that, just like we did at the turn-of-the-century, justified this behavior, called it underlying conflict and concerns, we have a similar mind-set at work today. if you wish to remove the statues, there should be a political conversation and a process. the mob violence was not appropriate when it terrorized black americans in the 19th and
20th century and it's not appropriate now in the 21st century. >> jason: horace, well said. it's before i appreciate you being here for the debate. it will continue on but thank you both for your perspective. you wouldn't say hollywood celebrities can debate themselves any further with their blind hatred of president trump but you are wrong! you're wrong because details are coming up after this. or... around the yard. on the shelf... or even... out in the field. your mom knew she could always count on us... and your grandma did too. because for over 150 years, we've been right by your side. advancing the health of the people, plants and pets you love. so, from all of us at bayer... thank you for trusting in us. then... and now.
♪ >> jason: hollywood's cultural rot on full display last night's mtv video music awards. their show in theory is supposed to honor the best in the music industry. instead, it often devolved into anti-trump and takes in their cheapest form. here is a sample. >> i understand we are live coast-to-coast right now. i'm looking at us like his game to come people. do not worry, at these games you are allowed to kneel. you can do whatever you want. no old white men can stop you. >> you never know what's going to happen at the vmas. i mean, bad language, people sending out crazy tweets, is basically like a typical day at the white house. in your face, trump, suck it! >> jason: be when i at least mvt rewarded. the ratings are in in and they are the worst ever in history
the vmas. when will they realize how utterly disconnected they are from the average americans? joining me now with reaction, lisa boothe, fox news contributor and josh mcbride is an entertainment at my stylus, expert. i remember when mtv was about durand durand and men at work. i'm not old. now it has devolved into this thing that -- i can't even recognize the hatred that is out there and what they are spewing out what they are showing. what is your take on that? why do you think of the ratings are literally at their all-time lowest? >> i think these are two separate issues. the first one being, are they spewing hatred over these two comedians doing their job on a network that has always been incredibly inclusive of sexuality, orientation, race, religion? when we have a president that is not that inclusive. when we are talking about -- >> jason: was inclusive about their message that they are saying about, they are going against the law, that sort of
thing? >> isn't the law -- as in the constitution say freedom of speech, as well? two comedians, two african-american community in syrup they're targeting a network, on a network that is an incredibly inclusive people that this person has been -- lack there of a better term -- not interested in, doesn't care about, -- >> jason: driving their unemployment levels to record -- >> from a race perspective, inclusive perspective, supporting of gay rights -- >> jason: trump hasn't done anything that is antigay rights. >> this is a longer conversation. a part is sticking with this, this was a moment for two community do my community and to have freedom of speech. >> jason: there were a lot of people there, lisa, they didn't think it was very funny. >> a large proportion of the population that voted for president trump didn't feel included last night watching the
vmas. look, it is such an unoriginal idea now to hate the president and to be critical of him in hollywood. it's also boring now. it's not even interesting anymore. they hate him, they go out and make the statements and there is no shock value. i remember kathy griffin held his head up, a thick version of a set up, snoop dogg shoots him in a video, madonna pretends to blow up the white house, there is no shock value, it is boring. be more original, hollywood. also, you look another -- they've had the lowest ratings ever. oscars, lowest rating ever, vmas, and felt is also taking in a significant head. what is the common denominator with all of this? they've all gone overtly political. can we just have entertainment and have us be entertaining without politics injected in th the? i just want to have fun. >> jason: why are we so surprised at how they were to select? we do this after every -- >> it's gotten so pathetic. it's not even interesting.
it's nigh. and entertaining. >> jason: but everyone is touring in that audience. >> they all share the same viewpoint. >> jason: if i don't want that viewpoint, i will change the channel -- >> does like i did. that is every tv show. >> jason: not fox news, i'll tell you that. >> that's literally every award show -- >> all the ratings going down, down. >> i don't think we can really say -- >> people to did for "roseanne," things that they want to watch. you look at all of these, as a mentor, vmas, emmys, oscars, even the nfl, everything that has gotten so overtly political, people are tuning out. they just want to be entertained. they don't want the volatility, they don't want the hostility, they just want something that is supposed to be entertaining to be entertaining. >> this is the fundamental problem, the people that preach, they are the least tolerant among them. they know mike there used to be people like jay leno and whatnot, they picked on both sides.
but when it is so one-sided, that is what is wrong. he got to leave it there. >> i could go for a half-hour. >> jason: will be right back. stay with us. that water could do. we called usaa. and they greeted me as they always do. sergeant baker, how are you? they were on it. it was unbelievable. having insurance is something everyone needs, but having usaa- now that's a privilege. we're the baker's and we're usaa members for life. usaa. get your insurance quote today.
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