this was locker room banter, a private conversation that took place many years ago. bill clinton has said far worse to me on the golf course, not even close. i apologize if anybody was offended. in a tweet concerning the audio, hillary clinton said this is horrific. we cannot allow this man to become president. billy bush also released a statement, obviously i'm embarrassed and ashamed, that's no excuse. this happened 11 years ago, i was younger and less mature and acted foolishly in playing along. i'm very sorry. tomorrow is trump's meeting with paul ryan signing a bill to protect the rights of sexual assault survivors. the chair of the national committee reince priebus said, no woman should ever be discussed about in these terms or talked about in this manner ever. joining me charlie sykes, linda chavez, and ms. chavez, i guess i'll just begin with you in
responding to this. >> well, i have said from the moment he announced that this man can be described in one word, and that one word is vile. and frankly, if i were paul ryan, i would cancel the event. part of the problem, the reason donald trump has been able to get away with what he's gotten away with is he's got the reince priebuses of the world, the paul ryans, the bill bennetts, the groups around him that support him and give him cover when he's just a disgusting man and if he had any kind of dignity, if he had any kind of courage, he would step aside and let mike pence run for president because mike pence is at least qualified and donald trump is not. >> charlie, what do you think about -- ryan has tried to play this kind of arm's length game, paul ryan in wisconsin which is where you are. he's tried to play this arm's length game. he didn't endorse, but then did endorse but not in stirring
terms. he's campaigning with him and he's campaigning with him tomorrow. >> yeah. the republicans of wisconsin right now are at def con 1. i heard from one who said i'm in tears the over this. at this point it's hard for me to imagine that this would go ahead that you'd have donald trump on the stage with paul ryan and scott walker and ron johnson and every other prominent republican. is this going to be same old same old where nothing ever matters and it will blow over or is it possible that this is career ending, to stand next to a guy who is talking about sexual assault and find some way to do that. so i'm guessing that right now there's a tremendous amount of scrambling. they're not going to cancel this event. this is a major event for republicans in wisconsin, but i would not be surprised if donald trump suddenly realized that maybe he should spend some time doing some debate prep rather than coming to elkhorn, wisconsin tomorrow. this is a real test. >> if the cancellation happened,
it would be trump not going as opposed to ryan pulling out? >> right. ryan's not going to pull out. this is a major event in paul ryan's own district. and the reality is this was something that was brokered by reince priebus, the chairman at the republican national committee. he's going to have to fix this because he got all of his loved ones together and here comes donald trump and he's got a suicide vest on, but it will take out everybody. the only way to solve this is for donald trump to figure out something else to do other than come to wisconsin tomorrow. people around here will be very surprised if this takes place tomorrow given that tape that you just played. >> charlie just mentioned this idea, will this blow over like other things happen? we've been through a variety of news cycles in terms the of things that donald trump has said or done or proposed that have been head snapping or have inspired a tremendous amount of offense or revulsion and he's still standing. i guess what i think is -- this
idea that he can be felled by something i think has been proven not true. but at this point he's behind. and i don't think this news cycle could help. >> no. chris, it really isn't about him stepping aside. and i think that you're right that this event should not go on. but it's going to have to be the party that steps away from donald trump. donald trump is never going to give up this quest. he's not going to step aside as i think he should. >> but it's been an amazing thing to watch. >> but if they want to save the republican party -- there are people like me who have been faithful republicans. i am a hard-nosed conservative. >> oh, i know. >> across the board. and i cannot abide this man. and if this man is going to represent the republican party, then i'm not going to want to have anything to do with it. i can tell you that i have these conversations all the time with my fellow never-trump tpers. we want no part of a republican party that's exemplified by
donald trump. >> that's why tomorrow's breaking -- that's why watch what happens, because this will be a breaking point. this will be the distancing, the recognition that this is hurting among women, men who know women. >> humans. >> yes. >> exactly. >> yes. >> so here's the thing. obviously there's been -- and i have to say my own personal sort of hierarchy of these things, there's probably 50 things worse he said or proposed than this, which i agree with this characterization of it is vile. there's sort of conversations that happen -- i mean, i guess at one point what does panic do? the only way to transmute panic would be some sort of tactical shift at the top of the ticket away from the rnc, is that right, charlie? >> you might start seeing that soon. you do have these down ballot races. the conversation will switch very quickly to how do we save everybody else? how do we make sure that the stink gets washed off of the
people who are closest to donald trump, but it doesn't cost the senate and the house of representatives? and you are going to see that in a very short period of time, i think. this is, again, will this be different? i don't know. but the reality is that all of the crudity, all of the misogyny, all the infantile nature of this guy is just out there for display. i don't know how any politician stands next to him and justifies in any way saying, okay, yes, the man is talking about sexually assaulting women, groping women, but we should still make him the president of the united states. >> thanks for making some time today. appreciate it. >> thank you. >> joining me now the columnist for slate "our degrading election gets the catchphrase it deserves." what do you do with this? >> okay, so i'm laughing. >> we're laughing because it's sort of gallow's humor.
>> i'm glad that charlie used the phrase "sexual assault" over and over again. the point is not that donald trump said something lewd or is misogynistic. >> or tried to have sex with a married woman. >> i don't care about that, but if he wants to bring up infidelity at the debate which he's been threatening to do -- but we know that donald trump is no paragon of marital faithfulness. he's talking here about sexual assault. there's a lawsuit that charges him with sexual assault and the details sound a lot like what he is basically bragging about doing here. you know, both in terms of kind of grabbing somebody against her will and also this kind of very dogged pursuit of a married woman. come on, cheat on your husband. if you read the details of this lawsuit, it sounds like his m.o. and at the time, ivanka trump -- not at the time but later on when this became public, ivanka
trump dreefended her father by saying, i know my father and he's not a groper. now he says that he is indeed a groper. >> a proud groper. >> and this becomes not just about donald trump says gross things on tape. i think this becomes an urgent question to ask at the debate on sunday. what did you mean when you said grab them by the -- i'm not allowed to say this on msnbc -- >> right. >> how many times have you done that? there's a whole question -- it's not just about sex anymore. it's about predation. >> let's also remember that one of the men who is advising donald trump is roger ailes. >> -- is roger ailes. >> whose lawsuits in which he and his daughters have denied as alleged in gretchen carlson's lawsuit and others over a variety of decades was essentially using his position of power to do precisely what
donald trump talks about doing. >> and donald trump is there bragging that this is kind of what he's able to use -- >> they'll let you do anything. >> -- his power to do. so i think that doesn't matter where maybe this is the election that nothing matters. but on the one -- you know, he's already losing. >> just about the worst week of his campaign. >> and sort of like rats from a sinking ship element to this in that people who maybe would have been able to defend him if he was at 48% in the polls would be less likely to defend him hen he needs to be able to muster some degree of his very fragile self-control for debates that are coming up on sunday. >> what do you think about this like -- bill clinton, it's so clear that they somehow think that the invocation of bill clinton is just universally exculpating, that it's like some magical forcefield in which as soon as you say bill clinton and women, you can't be touched by anything. >> well, i think that's been
kind of he sees that as the nuclear option. every so often, i didn't go there. >> i could have said something, right. >> but both they think it's this sort of alibi where they think it proves liberal hypocrisy, i also think that because donald trump is such a kind of -- such a bone-deep sexist, i think that he thinks that it discredits hillary clinton to be cheated on by bill clinton more than it discredits somebody to cheat, right? because it's all kind of about dominance and cuckolding. you need a primatologist to understand his displays of dominance. his attacks on women is less about eroticism and attraction and more about getting over on some other guy. >> thanks for being with me. appreciate it. coming up, more on the
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time maligning alicia machado and who hillary clinton raised as an example of his bad treatment of women. you saw the detailed account of trump's reportedly lewd and sexist report of a star of the apprentice. we were in the boardroom one time figuring out who to blame for the task and he just stopped in the middle and pointed to someone and said, you'd f her, wouldn't you? i'd f her, come on, wouldn't you? recently a 1993 white house correspondents dinner about which trump's behavior toward women at his table was so bad that a swedish model was nearly brought to tears. he is, she told me, in words that seemed almost familiar, the most vulgar man i ever met. the story of his miss onogyny i sold that if it were a person,
donald trump would probably not date it. one thing is this is not an isolated incident. >> no, not at all. >> it's not like -- i mean, there are people -- people can be caught on tape saying a thing that reflects poorly on them that is not necessarily a deep character trait, but it's hard to make that argument here. >> right. so donald trump has this decades long record on the record of women talking about what a creep he can be to them. and it's like we just sort of glossed over it until now when he's admitting it. how many women have to say he's a creep before we believe them? we had to wait until donald trump actually admitted he is a creep before everyone was like, oh, he's a creep. >> this is popping into the timeline here, "the new york times" was told by miss utah in 1997, he kissed me directly on the lips. i thought gross, he was married to marla maples. mr. trump disputed this saying
he's reluctant to kiss women on the lips. >> he's like a kissing magnet. just can't stop himself from kissing. >> you had this whole piece, which is great, about sort of this idea that he's a pickup artist. >> yeah. >> what was that? >> if you don't spend time in the garbage dumps of the internet like i do and it's a philosophy that men kind of embody where if they bully women, push them around, if they're rude to them, they cannent wally kind of dominate and take from them what they want. this is not something that trump subscribes to, but he just kind of lives it. he talked about heidi klum not being a ten. that feels like a lifetime ago. a lifetime of donald trump misogyny ago. that's where it's putting someone down so they want to impress a person more. >> there's this whole sort of in the garbage dumps of the internet, sort of bizarre very sad and pathetic sort of
ideology of male domination called the pickup artistry. >> yeah. >> i feel like there's also this crazy ideological substrate of this about what is okay and what's not okay. i find it gratifying to see these republicans saying, yeah, not cool. >> it is really interesting to see that. it was interesting to hear in first part of the show hearing charlie sykes use the word "sexual assault" many times which is what donald trump was talking about doing, which is sexual assault. if you grab someone in a sexual way that doesn't want to be grabbed, then you're sexually assaulting them. it goes beyond old school sexism, like old school cartoon bully sexism, beyond what's normal, beyond whatever should be acceptable. >> in terms of the drama of this election, of course, this is who -- rebecca tracer once wrote this great line, of course, of course, the first female. if a woman can be president, of
course the person she will have to vanquish, the person she'll have to get past is this person. >> despite all this, despite the fact that this is like the most open secret in the history of open secrets. >> we know this is how he made his name in the -- >> he's still polling at 45%. that's still not enough to disqualify him for 40-plus percent of the population. >> he's winning men by a healthy margin. >> not so much college educated men as the ones without college degrees, but guys without college degrees love him. i think it's partly because he's an aspirational figure to them. he treats women the way they wish they could treat women and he's successful. he represents the way they wish they could act, the way they feel they deserve to be treated. >> a certain kind of person who thinks a certain kind of way about what it is to be a powerful, dominant man. >> sure. he is aspirationally a jerk. >> and women voters are not buying it. >> no. >> weirdly enough. >> no, it's weird that women
would not be into someone talking about grabbing their private parts because it's fun. >> can't wait till that comes up. great to have you here. >> thank you. >> still ahead, battering florida, hurricane matthew takes aim at georgia. we've got the latest forecast, next. hotels.com's rewards program is simple. for every 10 nights i stay, i geone free. cell phone captain obvious. this on the other hand, will not be simple. you gonna have to ride the belt. hotels.com. so simple, it's thebvious choice. i have liqds in by!
meteorologist bill karins. you and i spoke last night about how important those little wobbles in the trajectory were and how much damage and human tragedy was on the line, and it looks like we basically got lucky. >> for a lot of the east coast of florida, especially dout of daytona beach, they did. but north of daytona beach it is bad and still bad for those areas of daytona beach northward. it's moving north. it looks impressive on the satellite imagery. as of the georgia coastline, you are very fortunate that you are at low tide right now because the storm is as close as it's going to get. the water is already running high. the fear is from savannah up to charleston, myrtle beach areas, we'll approach high tide at 1:00 a.m. in the morning when the storm is closest to you. they're now saying in the charleston area, this will likely be the second worst storm surge in your city's history after hurricane hugo in the mid-'80s. that's a big powerful statement. that's how nasty it can be in
the middle of the night in the dark people don't have power and the water is going to be rising quickly. the people who didn't evacuate will go through that in the middle of the night tonight. that's scary stuff. here's the eye. it's still moving north. it will be a close call for our friends in the savannah area and charleston. exactly how far we are from that northern eye wall. that's about 80 to 75 miles away. you don't want to go through this. the winds in this are stronger than the winds we saw all day today in areas of florida. that will be close to charleston in the middle of the night. the storm surge, this five to seven feet easily in this area, some spots could get us up as nine feet and that would be histor historic. i would say maybe half the damage is done. we're only halfway through this storm. we still can get a landfall, as you mentioned, later on tonight. >> bill karins, thank you very much for that. despite the dna evidence
exonerating them, donald trump still insists the central park five are guilty. one will be here to respond, next. [click] [click] man: ♪ you're beautiful ♪ i'm coming back [clicking] ♪ back to you
notorious. a white woman who was jogging was found raped and beaten nearly to death in central park. not long after the woman was discovered four black teenagers and one latino teenager were charged and jailed for the crime. the case whipped up an unbelievably hysteria. wolfpacks, roving gangs and wilding. but the five boys had falsely confessed to the crime after hours of police interrogations. they were later tried, convicted an sentenced to prison, but vindication for the group known as the central park five came in 2002 when a convicted murderer and rapist confessed to the crime and that confession was then corroborated by dna. the prison sentences of the central park five were overturned but by that time they had already served between five and 13 years. in 2013, the men were awarded a settlement from new york city. the story that gripped the city for years came to a close, yet one manhattan resident's
obsession with the case continues to this day. just weeks after the crime was committed in 1989, donald trump took out a full page ad in four new york newspapers advocating the return of the death penalty. when the city awarded the men a settlement in 2014, trump wrote a editorial in the daily news calling the settlement a disgrace. now, even now, as the presidential nominee for the republican party, trump hasn't allowed science or evidence to change his initial reaction to the case. just this week, trump said he still considers the men, again, exonerated by the criminal justice system and by dna scientific evidence, guilty, issuing a statement saying, they admitted they were guilty. the police doing the original investigation say they were guilty. the fact that case was settled with so much evidence is outrageous. the woman, so badly injured, will never be the same. joining me now yousef salam. wrongly convicted. how old were you when you were
arrested and how much time did you spend in prison? >> i was 15 years old when this happened. i spent about seven years in prison. close to seven years. >> before we get to donald trump, what was it like to go into the system at this age and spend your formative adolescent early adult years in prison for something you did not do? >> you know, to go to prison for a crime like that, that's the absolute worst crime that you can go to prison for. the only crime that trumps rape is child molestation. they had these polls, what are the inmates going to do when these guys get to prison? untold horrors were mentioned, and we were scared to death. this was a situation where we had to grow up very, very quickly. we had to figure out how we were going to survive and fend for our lives. it was the most horrific event i could have ever imagined. >> and so what is your reaction to a man who is trying to be the most powerful person in the
world, arguably, who is on the precipice of possibly being president saying now in the last days showing a statement that you, despite all evidence, that you were guilty? >> when i think about what he represents -- first of all, what he represents to me is very, very powerful and unfortunate. this blight, this thing that he did to us calling for the reinstatement of the death penalty, i always think had this been the 1950s, we would have become modern-day emmett tills. they would have published our names and phone numbers in new york city newspapers. people would be calling us any time of the day or night, threaten us with hate mail. by donald trump taking out this ad, what i think is that he was really calling to see if there was somebody from the darker areas of society that would kick in our doors, drag us from our
homes and hang us from trees in central park. that's the kind of sick justice they were looking for. >> this ad which ran, which he paid for was calling for the death penalty who were identified as juveniles, you among them, basically saying we should kill these children. >> right, right. you know, he wanted us dead. when you look at the videotapes that he made after the statements that he made after that, it's very, very clear that he said that he wanted to hate us. he wanted us to be afraid. and by us, he was talking directly about the central park five. but he was talking about also the black and brown people that we look at that are being shot down all around the country today. you know, if he's saying that he wants to be the law and order president, and he's talking about policies and practices that have been ruled unconstitutional and unjust, that being stop and frisk in new york city and he's thinking
about he wants to bring this type of stuff back, i'm scared for my life. what happens if this person is actually becomes president, is he going to go gunning for the central park five because he wanted to murder us back then and wants to do same thing today? when we won our lawsuit, he said this was one of the biggest heists in new york city history. he said that we were going to be rich rapists. and then all of a sudden now we have these video footage of him being produced of him doing all these -- you know, i just tweeted prior to getting on, this is a dirty old man. you know, definitely not somebody we want to be president of these united states. the type of issues that he presents overwhelmingly causes us, and we need to push far, far away from him. >> mr. salaam, do you feel he owes you an apology? >> i feel he owes us an apology. do i feel we'll ever get it.
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brought up at last month's presidential debate. he simply had some other theories about who might be behind it that he wanted to share. >> as far as the cyber, i agree to parts of what secretary clinton said. we should be better than anybody else and perhaps we're not. i don't think anybody knows it was russia that broke into the dnc. she's saying russia, russia, russia, but i don't -- maybe it was. it could be russia, but it could also be china, could also be lot of other people. it could be sitting on their bed that weighs 400 pounds. okay? >> when we come back, we'll tell you why donald trump's theory that some guy weighing 400 pounds was responsible for hacking the dnc is looking a little thin. and me... help you out? ♪ you're gonna hear what i say... ♪ i love taking stuff apart and building new things out of it. anne: pal's my most advanced annedroid. [gasps] this is awesome. ♪ oh
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dnc. >> well, actually, at least the u.s. government says it does know who broke into the dnc. earlier today the obama administration -- and this is a big deal -- officially accused russia, the russian government of carrying out a wide ranging campaign to interfere with the 2016 elections including hacking the computers of the dnc and other political officials. the administration also blamed moscow for the hack of the democratic congressional campaign committee and the subsequent leak of private e-mail addresses and cell phone numbers of democratic lawmakers. intelligence officials are looking into whether one of donald trump's foreign policy advisers has opened up communication with one of the official. we'll have to wait until sunday's debate to see if trump has any 400-pound theories about that. from food alone. let's do more. add one a day women's gummies. complete with key nutrients we may need... ...plus it supports bone health with calcium and vitamin d. one a day vitacraves gummies.
and that was before today. he's now five points behind hillary clinton in a four-way race in a new poll of nationalal voters by quinnipiac. given those stakes they cannot afford a repeat of the last debate when he faces clinton for round two on sunday night with questions about today's tape. his team has been insisting he'll be prepared better this time around, but as "the washington post" reports, the candidate himself is still resisting their efforts. reportedly trump flat-out refused to participate in mock sessions saying such play acting was annoying. instead, according to the post he held informal meetings about his top advisers at trump tower and his new jersey golf club in which rnc chairman prins priebus would pepper him with rapid fire questions while chris christie played antagonist. with trump refusing to actually rehearse his campaign had to get creative about preparing him for sunday turning an event in new hampshire last night into something of a dry run.
billed as a town hall just like the debate it featured trump away from the big stadium rallies that he so prefers, taking questions without the comfort of a podium. a big giveaway from the moderator talk radio host howie carr. >> i have a clock down on the floor there that says two minutes. >> okay. >> do you want me to call you when it goes over two minutes? >> i'll make you a deal. if i'm doing well, don't call me. if i'm answering the question poorly, please call me immediately. >> nevertheless, the trump insisted this was not debate prep. >> they were saying this is practice for sunday. this isn't practice. this has nothing to do with sunday. we're just here because we just wanted to be here. they said donald trump is going to new hampshire to practice for sunday. this has nothing to do with sunday. it's like they make you into a child. i love the people of new hampshire. i'm here for one reason. i love the people of new
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area. you know that, right? hispanics and latinos. that's why john king has stayeded in the same position -- how long has he been at cnn? i used to say he will some day be an anchor. he's still doing the maps. >> donald trump honing his message for sunday. joan walsh, national affairs correspondent for the nation. all right. matt, let me start with you. i mean, obviously this is going to come up in the debate, today's tape. i'm seeing -- i mean, mark kirk, senator from illinois wants to engage emergency rnc rules to find a replacement. mitt romney's called on him, i think, to step down. there's this sort of avalanche. the timing couldn't be worse. what's he going to do at the debate when this is brought up? >> for a guy that's made himself to appear to be unwilling to ever apologize. >> right. >> this is a moment that now forces him to make that choice.
reminds me of richard ben cramer's seminal work about the 1988 election "what it takes" which is one of the most fantastic books about politics. it shows that all candidates end up having to do the one thing they refuse to do in order to win. i don't think trump could win now. i thought he had a 10 or 15% chance a few days ago, i now think that's zero. he has to show contrition, sincerity, that this is not who he is and that tape is really damning. they need the be prepared for this question, they need to be prepared for several question. they can't get defensive about this. he has to find a way to move past this before the debate because tomorrow's going to be worse than today. >> particularly because there's going to be a swirl of press on the ryan event and if it goes forward. you even see sitting senators who we should be clear -- >> he has always said -- >> -- running in illinois. but to matt's point. the one thing, if there was a
plot twist in the second debate, the one thing that would be genuinely shocking would be for him to come out and be totally contrite. look, i've said a lot of things that were bad. to be self-aware and contrite, wait a second. >> we didn't know he had it in him. >> the guy is insisting the central park five are guilty because otherwise he would have to apologize. >> right. he's unable to apologize. he's also unable to prepare. i just saw that "washington post" story along with the whole town hall prep last night. the man cannot admit he doesn't know things or that he's not good at things. preparing or doing mock debates would be an admission that he has something to learn. >> the other thing that mattered there was him to try to convince he was doing bad but him touting the fan click polls. i just thought to myself, there's a bazillion different reasons that people don't think donald trump should be president, but he should
understand statistical sampling. that's actually a pretty important basic ning to get. >> right. it's the reason why every spoonful of soup tastes the same because polling works. >> right. >> okay. can we understand that concept? it's pretty basic. >> you got to get it to him. >> got to get it to him. i will say this, i know people who know donald trump who have been with him privately who have worked with him in the last 20 years, the one thing i continue to hear is he's different in private than he is in public. we all hear that. i wonder if a town hall type setting allows him to be more of a private donald trump than a public donald trump. >> the town hall will favor her, but i think it will favor him for this season. it diffuses his attention. the last attention -- the last debate she was saying things, he was getting so rhode island up
-- rhode island up -- riled up by her. >> she's faced some tough questions. she's good at town halls, but i remember somethings in the primary where the young man who said my jenngeneration doesn't t you -- >> she can get defensive, too. >> she can get defensive. >> and she's going to face -- buzzfeed posts today an internal staff memo from the transcripts of the speeches that she gave at banks that could be used against them. the clinton campaign is saying we will not confirm stolen documents. so the authenticity is yet to be. you need a private and public policy to work. you need to resist protectionism. we cannot vouch independently for the legitimacy of these, although they don't seem implausible, trump is going to go crazy on that. >> the open borders thing.
>> yes. >> for the left, except for the word markets, i suppose, it does sound like this one world vision. >> yes, but in some ways it's the thing that the caricature donald trump has been making of us. >> she's this fuzzy headed liberal. >> globalist. >> we would have no country. this could be tough for her. i think the rest of it, though, she comes off praising single payer. >> that's right, she does. >> for the left. that's an interesting revelation, too, although i suppose donald trump could use that to paint her as a socialist. >> i don't think they're going to gather that and the u.s. government to say that russia is hacking us, that's it. >> i'm not sure that saying you're not going to engage is going to work. some of these comments are not going to be well received by feel the bern voters. >> but it will be interesting a lot more at the primaries than it does now. >> no question.
but when you compare director comey's testimony yesterday, which was quite compelling, believable and composed to the ways the president conducted himself today at the rose garden, i think james comey is going to win any credibility contest. >> what is your problem with how the president conducted himself today at the rose garden? >> this is a serious investigation, he was standing in quite a prestigious place, the rose garden and was asked if there were tapings, he sort of swintimated there were and said that investigation could be coming soon. there is not a reality show. this is the president of the united states with allegations of obstruction of justice taking place. >> the president did say he was 100% willing to testify under oath. will you call on the special counsel bob mueller to depose the president of the united
his side will be more believable? >> jeff sessions apparently was in the room, jared kushner was in the room. and apparently there's more to hear from admiral rogers and coats. i think that will be telling as to who you would believe in a situation like this. >> but by comey's own admission, there were never more than two people in the world james comot president trump and james comey. >> that may go to intent. >> if there are no taped produced by may 23, what are you prepared to do? >> i'll leave -- we're seeking
this voluntarily. and if that is refused then we'll see if a subpoena is appropriate. >> i know that he has been signing off on subpoenas, i think that's inappropriate. i hope he stops doing that because we still need to work with him on nonrussia related matters and he needs to have credibility when we do that. let's bring in our panel now, kirsten powers, laura coats and professor foley. i have never quite understood what the white house is playing out here with these tapes, the president said in that initial tweet, james comey better hope there are not tapings of this conversation. and then the white house refuseded to say whether or not these tapes exist. from a legal standpoint, what does the white house get for
being so vague? >> i don't know, a lot of speculation here, because we don't even know if the tapes exist, frankly, i these if the tapes do exist, one reason why the president might hesitate to turn over those tapes and be a little bit coy about that right now to buy some time for the white house lawyers and the legal team to assert executive privilege, that's a privilege that covers deliberations between the president and his closest advisors, so it may be that portions of the tapes are covered by the privilege and portions of them aren't. and i think they would probably want to get their little legal eggs in a row before they reveal if the tapes existed. and right now they're under no compulsion to turn them over. >> i have also never understood what the white house gets out of this game dancing around whether there are tapes? >> i don't know what the white house gets out of it either.
having been in the white house, i value the president of the united states being able to get candid advice in the oval office. if there would be publicly known that there was a taping system, to me that's a little bit chilling, i sort of hope that there aren't tapes because i think it's extremely valuable to be able to speak with the president candidly which you can't do if there are tapes there. >> if there are tapes, the american people need to know, correct? >> i think we're all out so far in front of our skis that we need to get back a little bit and get back in the chair lift. we could be talking here about a tape on a cell phone of a meeting we don't even know about or a partial meeting or whatever. right now what is clear to those of us who have studied this white house is that donald trump is engaged in a scorched earth
battle against james comey and he's playing to his base for all its worth. he's trying to discredit comey, he's trying to rouse his faith. he ee's somebody that's worried about down the line, he's gone to the question, comey is a leaker, thinking that is going to discredit him, particularly with his own base, when in fact donald trump is a leaker, he's been a leaker for all of his professional life, he's even leaked by falsely impersonating himself under another name. so this is a big game in which the president and the people around him know that he has been damaged, that these investigations are closing in on him and right now he wants to
push the weight of his followers behind him and he wants to keep them in place so republicans on the hill don't abandon him. he needs to have republicans on the hill saying we need to get to the bottom of whatever it is that this president doesn't want us to know. so he's playing a game here. >> susan powers, do you think there are tapes here? >> i think if there were tapings and they exonerated donald trump they would be released. maybe there are tapes that don't exonerate him, maybe that's why he's being coy about it. does anybody find this conversation bizarre, that this is a president of the united states, it's literally like talking to a 14-year-old, who won't answer a direct question. he's not acting like an adult. i'll tell you later, i don't know, it's this kind of
gaslighting and i feel he's the one who put it out there, he's the one who suggested it, we didn't come up with it, he did. now he can't answer simply yes or no? it's so disturbing i don't even know what to say about anymore. >> the president agreed to testify under oath saying he's 100% willing to testify under oath. next, business sizarre or not, the legendary tapes, perhaps doing what we're doing right now, telling you something is coming up very, very soon. and others are doing everything from obstructing justice to starting world war 3. when you have allergies,
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habit of tossing around all kinds of fakely specific time frames. >> you've said that has given. >> i will let you know that at a future date. i'll let you know that at a future date. >> it they sent investigators to hawaii and they can't believe what they found. >> what have they found? >> we're going to see what happens. >> what have you come up with your investigators? >> i don't want to say that now, but it's going to be very interesting i interesting. >> if i decide to rung for office, i'll release my tax returns. maybe when we find out the true story on hillary's emails. wiretap covers a lot of different things, i think you'll find some very interesting items coming to the forefront over the next two weeks. >> is that a cause for concern,
a subject of ridicule or no big deal? maria, i'm not sure whether dianne feinstein in judiciary committee is responding to that specifically, but she said she wants to launch a senate judiciary committee into whether there's obstruction of justice. this is dianne feinstein who in the past has said she has seen no hard evidence of collusion yet. so this is an interesting step for her. >> first of all, she's been somebody who's been incredibly concerned, i think as most americans are, as the crux of the issue, which doesn't seem to concern the president of the united states, that russia committed an act of war in cyber attacking the united states in interferes and meddling in our elections and it doesn't seem like the president of the united states has any interest in getting to the bottom of that,
number two, i also think it comes from comey's testimony. president trump and his lawyers are out there saying that what comey said vindicated him. what he said when he was fired, donald trump may not have been under investigation personally, but he also said now that given everything that has transpired as of now that bob mueller is going to launch an investigation into what trump did. and those things are key and it's why dianne feinstein has taken this a little more aggressively. >> maybe we'll find out if the president's under investigation at some point. i want to bring laura coats into the conversation, the other giant bit of notes that we haven't seen touched on, when the president says, 100% that he will testify. if he does in fact get called before robert mueller or agree
to sit voluntarily before robert mueller, he could be asked questions, could he not, that are somewhat different or are off topic from the russia investigation and he would be obligated to answers questions which can get him in trouble. president clinton was asked about things that weren't about white water originally. >> the term collusion should come back to haunt him in this instance. there hasn't been a criminal statute. you've got an open investigation, that doesn't have the parameters that doesn't give you the wiggle room to not answer certain questions, everything is fair game. the president has put himself in a very precarious situation, when he said, look, believe jim comey, for the things that sound more credible and make me more believable. but when you say he's a liar,
you're opening up questions that robert mueller may ask, a whole host of things that are investi. if he actually does that, he will open himself up to more criminal exposure and criminal liability and the snowball he thought he had by asking comey about the flynn investigation will become an avalanche. >> scott jennings, on the issue of agreeing to testify or 100% he'll testify, saas a political advisor, if you were asked that question, were you psyched that he said that? or did you say now i know what he will be asked every day for the next five months. >> you have to admire somebody who has full confidence, what he's saying out loud, i'm going to tell you here in front of the
press, and i'm willing to tell that story under oath, that shoshow s he's very confident. i these we should take a step back and talk about what happened this week. pressure the head of the fbi to end, alter or change an investigation. he has a lot of explaining to do. the only person that we found out that jim comey said pressured him was lynch. not somebody from the trump administration. so we're painting a dark picture of what comey said about trump. >> that talking point right now i think underscores how desperate trump is and his supporters are, because they know this dark cloud they're trying to lift could become a funnel cloud.
>> he said a lot of things yesterday, including five times in different ways, that president trump was a liar. >> and he also did say that he felt that he was trying to get him to drop this case against flynn, he was very clear about that, that is how he interpreted what he said to him. so he said he felt pressured. so to the question you're asking him, about how should trump supporters feel when you hear the president saying he's going to do this. at the very beginning of this, i said, probably what's going to end up causing the biggest amount of problems for donald trump and his associates in the white house is getting put under oath and inevitably perjuring themselves. that's not anything against them, we have seen that happen over and over again, scooter libby was found not to be the leaker, but he perjured himself. what started out to be an
investigation of white water ended up being something that he perjured himself. >> carl bernstein, you have seen firsthand how something like a break in can lied to different things, a final word on this subject, we're just at the beginning here. >> i think the final word is, this is part of a huge, small investigation, about what the russians might have done in their context, about russians, ethno russians, former members of the soviet union, that became russia, there's a huge investigation going on, and it's closing in. think of all of this as a mosaic where the pieces are starting to come together.
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that, it doesn't make sense. and i didn't say the other. >> so if it actually happens, the president would not be the first president to testify under oath. bill clinton was the first sitting president to testify under oath about his own behavior. our panel is back. doug, it is very rare that presidents testify under oath. it has happened and as we said, president clinton is the first one to do it having to do with a criminal investigation of his own conduct. >> that's right, bill clinton and his presidential history was the hank aaron of judicial testimony. it ended up not particularly well for bill clinton, in the fact that he had to do five
hours with kenneth starr and had to go on to the public airwaves television and say i'm guilty. but the key here is what happened with what ronald reagan did with iran contra, for lawrence walsh in 1998, reagan agreed to answer questions in writing. donald trump's a tricky character, he might say 100% sworn testimony, but i'll answer your questions in writing. you might see his lawyers to deal with it that way, because putting him from front of a mueller for 5 1/2 hours is pretty dangerous for trump. >> he said ronald reagan, so i had to ask you the next question by law here, do you think that the president should testify under oath or i should say out loud in front of bob mueller? >> i'll leave it to the lawyers,
but i like the reagan solution, do it in writing. this is about a war between washington and the washington establishment and a lot of the american people. and that really is what's going on here. and washington, i worked there for a long time, i love the place, but, boy, it is tribal warfare, these scenes that you would see of people lining up in bars in washington, d.c. to watch the comey hearings. i assure you right here in the middle of pennsylvania that was not happening to the best of my knowledge. >> 19 million people watched the hearings on television yesterday, which is as many watched the nba game three, and i don't think you would say that game three in the nba finals is tribal warfare. but i think on the issue of whether or not the president should testify, carl bernstein, you said it would be a
remarkable thing if the president answered questions under oath. >> one thing is once he got in there, if it was open ended it would be devastating and probably would be because it would be a license for a prosecutor to go into all of trump's history in terms of his finances, russian money, russian investments. but there is a problem that i think that he has. and i'll leave it to the lawyers to discuss. and that is activities that took place before he was president of the united states, because a lot of what we're talking about here, occurred before he was president of the united states, including the possibility of criminal activity then, i'm not suggesting he engaged in criminal activity, but it certainly is something that pretti
prosecutors would want to puck -- talk about. and before a grand jury is nixon, after he was president of the united states, he did 11 hours before a grand jury and the testimony wasn't released until a few years ago and it was a horrible picture of president nixon angry, vindictive, and one that he did not want to see released. he thought that testimony would never be released. >> you know, douglas brinkley, one of the things that we have seen from the trump white house, and they have actually looked at the clinton white house how it behaved when the clintons were under siege and they have taken some lessons from that. if you have to look at bill clinton testifying under oath, what lessons should the trump administration learn from that? >> bill clinton survived all of
this, he was re-elected and after he left office in 2000, he was wildly popular. many people thought that al gore didn't win because clinton wasn't on his side. but one thing about bill clinton, he never gave up, he kept fighting and fighting, defending his honor, defending himself. eventually he had to admit guilt. but you have to be careful not to put sloppy sound bites up, i think that's going to be trump's problem, bill clinton now lives in history, it depends on what the definition of is. you don't want to see donald trump going down with it depends on what the definition that certain words are and split hairs because you look guilty when you do that. >> and donald trump appeared just in january in a civil
disposition. they said he lied a full 30 times there. is the president's past, could that be an issue if he appeared before bob mueller. one of the things we have learned from the comey testimony, is that he did various actions to tilt thing to bob mueller, which was that now h has. >> very clear that james comey admitted in his testimony, that he took various actions in leaking, so that he could get his friend bob mueller to act. now right there, that says that there's a problem here. >> he did admit that he did provide that memo to hiss friend
because he wanted to see a special counsel appointed, he didn't use the words bob mueller. >> he's manipulating things. i mean let's get beyond james comey-- >> one of the ways that pundits work occasionally is by taking leaps of logic here, and bob mueller, his name was not even mentioned, there was no special counsel appointed and bob mueller's name wasn't even circulated and you're saying that james comey wanted to see bob mueller appointed special counsel? >> i am simply observing the fact that by his own definition, he's great friends with bob mueller, i'm simply observing that, that is a fact. >> let's talk about what really happened here, and it was one of the most fascinating moments of comey's testimony. he acknowledged and it was a spectacular moment, that he more or less engineered the appointment of a special prosecutor. that was his objective.
not necessarily robert mueller, and why was that his objective? because it is obvious from his testimony he thought there was a cover-up going on. a cover-up in which the president of the united states might well and probably was involved -- let me finish, please -- from his point of view, and also the role of jeff sessions, he went to the attorney general, and told him about his session, keep me away from the president. et cetera. and when that failed, yes, he indeed tried to engineer getting a special prosecutor and he has succeeded. and why has he succeeded? because there's an underlying case of perhaps the most important thing we have faced as a nation, in the kind of attack we have never faced before and -- and we have a president of the united states, who has
obstructed, question meandemean speakings volumes i'm not saying he's obstructed justice, but we'll find that out, but that's where we are. >> jeff, you're going to be back with us and have a chance to respond to that. all the people that watched the comey hearing, all 19 million of them. they have different views that have formed of it. we're going to look at the wildly different takes on what happened, next. l here is supposed to be live streaming the wedding and he's not getting any service. i missed, like, the whole thing. what? and i just got an unlimited plan. it's the right plan, wrong network. you see, verizon has the largest, most reliable 4g lte network in america. it's built to work better in cities. tell you what, just use mine. thanks. no problem. all right, let's go live. say hi to everybody who wasn't invited! (vo) when it really, really matters, you need the best network and the best unlimited. plus, get our best smartphones for just $15 a month. you can request a one-timehe access code to use the atm.
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so when it gets right down to it the comey hearing is really bad for the president or really good. it depends on where you get your information. the president said it was a total and complete vindication for him, which really is not true. and there were separate narratives going on simultaneousity, we're not talking about a mild spin, but wildly different takes, which makes you wonder if everyone was even watching the same hearing? >> a victory for donald trump today, and a massive defeat for the democrats and of course the propaganda media. >> reporter: and some conservatives are declaring victory and saying it's already over. >> i think comey's credibility is zero right now.
he can go back to doing what he promised he was going to do. >> trump's son says the clouds have parted, but if you change the channel, it is stormier than ever. >> today was really was as it was predicted to be the worst day of the trump presidency. it's about hearing from a different hearing. imagine right now at this moment, the seething rage that you know the president is living with. this battle is not going away. it's a choose your own news situation. >> where are we now? hundreds of hours of the shrillest television ever produced adds up to pretty much nothing. >> reporter: fox opinion hosts are hoping for the best knowing
there's more scandals yet to come. >> i think we have about 5% or 10% of the answers to the questions we need. >> we're sort of in the middle, the beginning of the middle of this process, certainly not at the end of this process. >> contradicting trump's son, experts saying this is far from over. >> it my general rule is if things look pretty bad from what we know, it's usually worse. this is extremely serious. >> reporter: try telling that to trump backers like cory lew wanw sky. >> blasting what he callings false statements and lies from comey, the two men can't agree on the facts and in a polarized
media world, neither can the country. >> brian stelter joins us. i was at an event last night and talked to you, everyone wanted to talk about the comey hearing, ea everyone wanted to talk about it, everyone watched it, no a single mind was changed about it. >> i was so struck by trump's son, it's over, the clouds have parted, now my father can get along with the issues of the country. and then reporters saying this is just the beginning, at the best, maybe the end of the beginning, and now we're in the middle stage of this investigation with so many questions unanswered. >> it what's so interesting is that i don't doubt either of your convictions on this or your sinceri
sincerity. that this was good for your side. i don't doubt that for a second, yet we all watched the same hearing, so i'm going to try as an academic exercise to get you to agree on some points here, let's try. maria cardona, do you agree that james comey made crystal clear that while he was fbi director, donald trump was not under investigation? >> yes, and i even said that this morning, i believe. >> yes. >> but this is the problem, he also went on to make crystal clear that the behavior of donald trump, whether you call it inappropriate, whether it's going to come up as obstruction of justice, that he has engaged in up until now has now led to the appointment of a special counsel, and when comey was asked whether he believes that there was obstruction of justice, smartly so, he said that's not up to me, that is something that i am sure the special counsel will be looking into.
he said i am sure the special counsel will be looking into. that means that donald trump will be under investigation for obstruction of justice. >> we'll see. that was a yes, but, answer to my question, maria concedes that james comey said that donald trump was not under investigation. do you concede that the fbi director basically said that the president of the united states lied or was dishonest in varying degrees five times. james comey said that, you may not agree with with that but do you agree he said that? >> on april 10 of 2016, president obama was in an interview with fox's chris wallace. he was talking about hillary clinton's e-mails. he used the words careless or some version of that.
careless or carelessness and intentional. well, you move ahead three months later and there is james comey using exactly the same phrases in his press conference. now, what do we know from the testimony yesterday? that james comey says that the attorney general of the united states said to him he was not to use the word investigation. he was to use the word matter when investigating -- when talking about the clinton e-mail situation. >> i will say -- >> my point here is, the story is that president obama could well be accused of obstruction of justice. >> oh, come on. come on, jeffrey. >> we don't want to go down that path. >> desperation on your part, my friend. >> go ahead. >> folks want to talk about clin clinton because it's more convenient and comfortable. what's that? >> i want a single standard for everybody.
>> look, the testimony yesterday was james comey talking about his relationship with president trump. so that was the standard. that would be the single standard i think that everyone was looking at this hearing for. we appreciate you with us, jeffrey, maria, brian, thank you very much. it's unclear whether the president has recordings of conversations that he had with james comey. plenty of other presidents have had an open mike. we will look at that next. people would ask me in different countries that we traveled, "what is your nationality," and i would always answer "hispanic." so when i got my ancestry dna results it was a shocker. i'm everything. i'm from all nations. i would look at forms now and wonder what do i mark? because i'm everything. and i marked other. discover the story only your dna can tell. order your kit now at ancestrydna.com.
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to president johnson ordering pants. >> your father makes clothes? >> yes, sir. >> you made me real lightweight slacks. >> reporter: the most infamous taping system was during the presidency of richard nixon. nixon began secretly taping conversations and telephone calls in multiple locations of the white house in 1971, including the oval office. time and time again, the president's words were clear. the president was acting like he had absolute power.
even the president's own family was taped. >> hello. >> reporter: it was among his recordings, one week after the watergate breakup that was the smoking gun. number on did everything he could to fend off the investigation. >> people have to know whether or not their president is a crook. well, i'm not a crook. >> reporter: the taping system became public when deputy assistant to the president alexander butterfield confirmed its existence. >> are you aware of the inis installation of any listening devices in the oval office of the president? >> i was aware of listening devices, yes, sir. >> reporter: the tapes ultimately led to nixon's resignation to avoid impeachment. >> america needs a full-time president. >> reporter: when asked by
barbara walters in 1980 why he didn't destroy the tapes, nixon had this to say. >> are you sorry you didn't burn the tapes? >> yes. i think so. they were private subject to misinterpretation. >> president trump says we will find out if he has taped in the near future. the deadline to turn them over if they exist. our legal panel weighs in when 360 continues. y286ny ywty
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plus the president's latest hard right turn to try and sell trumpcare 2.0. >> nobody knew that health care could be so complicated. and from selling your internet browser history -- >> what the heck are you thinking? >> -- to rolling back protections for women. how trump's america is taking shape faster than you know. >> would you like to make a change, folks? >> when "all in" starts right now. good evening from new york. i'm chris hayes. amid a steady drip of news about trump world's connections to russia and under the shadow of an unprecedented federal probe into possible collusion between a foreign adversary and the sitting president's campaign, the white house and the gop is in full change the subject mode. the scandal is not what we know, it's how we know it. in a throw back to the benghazi days, they've got a familiar scapegoat. former national security adviser
susan rice. >> i believe susan rice abused the system, and she did it for political purposes. she needs to be brought in and questioned under oath. >> in terms of political manipulation of national security information, susan rice, in my view, has done it in the past. when it comes to susan rice, you need to verify, not trust. >> susan rice is the typhoid mary of the obama administration foreign policy. every time something went wrong, she seemed to turn up in the middle of it, whether it was benghazi -- >> what is it that susan rice is supposed to have done? well, republicans say she tried to access the names of u.s. individuals caught up in intelligence surveillance, a process known as unmasking, and somehow abused her position for some nefarious political end. is any of that true? well, today in an exclusive interview with andrea mitchell, susan rice got a chance to answer the allegations herself. >> the allegation is that somehow obama administration
officials utilized intelligence for political purposes. that's absolutely false. >> did you seek the names of people involved -- to unmask the names of people involved in the trump transition, the trump campaign, people surrounding the president-elect in order to spy on them? >> absolutely -- >> in order to expose them? >> absolutely not for any political purposes, to spy, expose, anything. >> did you leak the name of mike flynn -- >> i leaked nothing to nobody and never have and never would. >> in fact, buried down deep in one of those initial reports where few people seemed to have noticed it was the concession that any of rice's unmasking requests were likely within the law. she had the power to do it. in her interview today, rice explained the regular process for making those requests with the intelligence community. it would start with the i.c.'s daily intelligence report. >> there were occasions when i would receive a report in which a u.s. person was referred to. name not provided, just u.s.
person. and sometimes in that context, in order to understand the importance of the report and assess its significance, it was necessary to find out or request the information as to who that u.s. official was. what i would do or what any official would do is to ask the briefer whether the intelligence community would go through its process -- and there's a longstanding, established process -- to decide whether that information as to who the identity of the u.s. person was could be providedo me. so they'd take that question back. they'd put it through a process, and the intelligence community made the determination as to whether or not the identity of that american individual could be provided to me. >> if u.s. surveillance had picked up evidence of illicit communications between russian actors and american individuals, susan rice might have been one of the u.s. officials to find out about it. and if she had, you can bet she'd have questions about which americans were involved. but that basic set of assumptions does not add up to a
scandal, and it's worth while to recap what we actually know. one, since july, the fbi has been investigating the trump campaign for possible ties to russia, which waged a cyber campaign to disrupt the 2016 election and aid donald trump. and, two, the president's national security adviser was forced out a month into the administration for lying to the white house, the vice president, the public about the nature of his contacts with the top russian official in the united states. there, it seems, is your scandal. i'm joined now by the top democrat on the house intelligence committee, one of two congressional committees investigating any trump ties to russia, congressman adam schiff of california. congressman, ken dilanian had this quote that i thought was interesting and made me think. he says, non-partisan former senior intel official to me just now on unmasking fake scandal. it's like iraq wmd, a theory in search of facts. what do you make of that?
>> well, you know, it certainly is a theory in search of a villain and for whatever reason the hard right has always chosen susan rice to be their villain. i think you heard some snippets about that today. i was dra gooned into service on the benghazi select committee. for two years, that committee's purpose was to take down hillary clinton's numbers. but one of the central figures the republicans went after and after and after was susan rice. and after two years they could find nothing that susan rice did wrong. in fact, the only thing susan rice did was go on sunday morning shows and repeat what the intelligence committee best assessment of the early hours of benghazi was. that was consistent with what we were hearing, what susan rice was hearing, and that's all they could find, which was perfectly appropriate on her part. so what it is they have about susan rice that they like to go after her, i don't know. but i do think you're right in your summation at the outset. this is yet another attempt to
distract attention from the russia probe, which they obviously want to defer and deflect as much as they can. >> now, you recently went to the white house after this long, complicated, sort of -- it seemed to me, misdirection play by the chair of your committee, devin nunes, possibly sort of laundering information for the white house that was given to him. he then briefed the white house about it all to maybe back up some kernel of some version of a tweet the president sent out about being, quote, spied on our wiretapped. you've now gone and viewed documents that are classified, i imagine, but can you give us your reaction? was it a, oh, yes, the president was rice thght that he was wiretapped? was it something else? >> i can't go into the contempts of those documents, but i can tell you i haven't seen anything during the course of this investigation that backs up in any way, shape, or form president trump's accusation against his predecessor, that his predecessor wasllegally
wiretapping him orn the more broader allegation that he was surveilling him somehow. there's no basis for that whatsoever. and, you know, "the wall street journal" just reported -- and, again, i don't know if this is accurate, but it would explain a lot of the skull dugry in the white house. they just reported that the white house itself generated these materials that they then wanted to share with the chairman alone and have the chairman report back to the white house. that would explain why sean spicer says it was in the ordinary course of business. of course there's nothing ordinary about it unless the ordinary course of the white house business is trying to interfere in congressional investigations. but nonetheless, it's the first time that anyone has reported that these documents were by and for the white house. and if that's accurate, it would certainly explain a lot of why sean spicer and others in the white house were so desperate to hide their involvement. >> a colleague of yours, congressman castro, earlier
today said that if he had to bet, he would bet that people will go to jail over the end result of the investigation that the fbi is conducting. do you agree with that? >> well, i'm not a betting man. the most i'm willing to say is we're at the very early stage of the investigation. i don't think any of us can tell where it will lead. and i don't think we should pre-judge the outcome. we should instead dedicate ourselves to following the facts wherever they lead. so i'm not prepared to bet on any particular outcome. i just want to make sure that we get to the bottom of this. >> i want to ask you about carter page, an individual who has been often mentioned in reports as a sject of investigation because of his contacts with possibly russian intelligence officials. there's a story that he was a target of russian spies for recruitment, passed them documents, buzzfeed said. and today he responded and said, i didn't want to be a spy he said in an interview with abc news. i'm not a spy. is carter page someone that you
guys are going to have come before the committee? >> you know, he's certainly a person of interest, and i think at the appropriate time, we are going to want him to come before the committee. as has been reported even prior to the report you're referring to, he was in moscow during the course of the campaign, and there are allegations by christopher steele that british former intel officer that is reportedly held in high regard by u.s. intel, that he had clandestine meetings there, was potentially offered a stake in this transaction involving this massive russian oil company. so we obviously want to get to the bottom of those allegations, find out whether there's any truth to them. but at this point, i can't comment on anything we may be learning privately. >> are you confident -- and this strikes me as the most important question at the heart of all this. with the steps the white house has taken to reach in, it appears, according to reports,
reach into american intelligence apparatus to pull out selective bits of information to possibly feed to people, can you be confident that the integrity of the counterintelligence investigation that we now the fbi is undertaking can be protected and secure? >> well, that really depends on the director of the fbi to maintain the independence of that bureau and, even more importantly, to be proactive, not reactive and do everything possible to get to the bottom of these allegations. i think we can fully expect because, you know, one thing you can tell about this president, he is not going to change. he is who he is. so if they're making efforts at the white house to interfere with our investigation, they're going to continue to do that throughout the investigation. whether they will, you know, risk doing that with the fbi, i don't know. but we need to count on the bureau to maintain the integrity of that investigation, and i can assure you no matter what the white house throws at us, we're going to be pressing forward.
we're determined to overcome any obstacle and use every resource we have. and one of the most powerful ones that we have is frankly public rutiny. this is why i've been so adamant that we do as much of this investigation as we can publicly. it's why i continue to call on our chairman to reschedule the hearing with sally yates and directors brennan and clapper. if we do this all in private and at the end of the day we issue a report that was compiled in private, the public is not going to believe it. the public needs to come every step of the way in this investigation. so we need to be as transparent as we possibly can. >> all right. congressman adam schiff. thank you for your time. i'm joined by ned price, former spokesperson, senior director of the national security council under president obama. and the allegation among folks from the white house, the president tweeting this and sympathetic figures in the press, that you and your colleagues in the obama nsc particularly have been engaged in essentially a conspiracy to
tarnish this administration, using access to classified tension. how do you respond to that? >> chris, good to be with you. look, chris, i think what we've seen here is an unfolding tragedy in multiple acts starring president trump and co-starring denial, obfuscation and misdirection. i think the first act of this tragedy actually started late last year when president trump, as the republican nominee, was presented with the high-confidence findings of all 17 intelligence agencies that russia had meddled in our election. he just cast that aside. he denied that as his first tactic. no, no, this was the work of some 400 pound hacker in his drm. the second act, when heas president-elect and these reports of collusion between his team and the russians started to pile up, it was then fake news. this is the work of the enemy of the people. and that takes us, chris, to one month ago today when we saw the third act with the president's baseless tweets that his
predecessor had wiretapped him, apparently gleaned from a breitbart article with no basis in fact that has been shut down by everyone from devin nunes to the fbi director. i'm not going to go into the whole subplot with devin nunes and this amateur theory. that is a tragedy in and of itself. i think with this latest -- with republicans' favorite antagonist who is now featured in the fifth act, susan rice, i think it is clear as day that the fact that we are talking about unmasking as opposed to this administration's yet unexplained and multi-pronged ties to the russian government -- that is in a sense a vindication of the administration's strategy of misdirection. unmasking is not the core issue here. this is a side show, chris. >> one of the things that strikes me here is it's easy to lose sight of, to me, the proximate trigger for all of this, which is what happened with flynn. you know, we knew about the russian -- you know, the assessment of the intelligence
community that it was the russians that conducted, you know, criminal cyber espionage and sabotage. but with flynn, i mean he just lied. he lied about the nature of his calls with the russian ambassador. he didn't have to. he could have told the truth. he lied to the white house. he lied to the vice president. they then lied to the public, and that simple fact, it seems to me the way the president conducts himsend the way the white house talks about it, they feel like flynn got a bad rap as opposed to angry that he lied to them. >> that's exactly right. they're not at all angry that michael flynn was doing these double dealings with ambassador kislyak. they're not at all angry that he lied to key administration officials, including the vice president. what they want us to focus on is the fact that he -- his name was leaked to the public. and, yes, that is a problem. we need to tamp down on these leaks. but, chris, it's not the core issue here, and it's another exhibit in this strategy of misdirection. >> ned price, thank you. >> thank you. still to come, some intense
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lawmakers whom trump has blamed for the initial bill's failure, and in a separate meeting yesterday afternoon, they met with half a dozen republicans in the moderate tuesday group to discuss a possible agreement on a new bill. now, there is still no deal. there is late report that white house just told activists to expect new text of health care law at 8:30 meeting tonight, and compromises have been offered. who knows what those are, but there are reports that say the bill would do away with protections for people with pre-existing conditions, which would undercut one of the trump campaign's central promises. >> let me ask you about obamacare, which you say you're going to repeal and replace. when you replace it, are you going to make sure that people with pre-conditions are still covered? >> yes. we should ensure that americans with pre-existing conditions have access to coverage and that we have a stable transition for americans currently enrolled in
the health care exchanges. >> joining me now is representative dan donovan, republican from new york. congressman, can you explain what the heck is going on process-wise right now because i have to say, i'm confused. are they going to try to strike a deal and get this to a vote in three days before recess? that seems preposterous. >> i don't know what this time frame is, but i do think it's the responsibility of us to get back to health care. we promised the american people we would rectify and repair what harm has been done to them in the health care field. the affordable care act is collapsing upon itself. i don't think what happened recently was a failure. >> congressman, wait a second. can i ask you this, though? you just said the affordable care act is collapsing on itself. >> it is. >> that's just simply -- i understand there are counties that have, you know, insurers pulling out. staten island that you represent, it is not -- it just simply is not a true statement to say it's collapsing on itself, particularly not in the
state of new york. it's just not actuarily accurate. >> this is a national issue, and actually it is happening throughout the nation. you're right, there are -- >> but the congressional budget -- but the congressional budget office and the academy of actuaries both say that it is not in a death spiral. it is not collapsing. they both say that. maybe the actuaries are wrong and the cbo is wrong, but you'd have to cite some other data to suggest they're wrong. >> well, people's policies this year are going to go up 25%. and barack obama was a very good politician. he put all the bad stuff in the affordable care act in the out years when he was no longer going to be in office. the american people are going to look and say, wait a minute. you guys are in office now and my premiums went up 25%. but it's all because of how the affordable care act was structured. >> how do you explain the fact that at the time you say this sort of back loaded stuff -- which, again, i would quibble on the details there. let's just put that aside. at the time this is happening,
the affordable care act is more popular than it's ever been. new polling today has it out at 55% approval, 41% disapprove. it's never done better in polling than it's doing right now. >> there's many people that it helped. there's many people that it harmed. that's why it has to be repaired. the people that are pay 20g thousand dollars in premiums and have a $6,000 deductible and still have astronomical co-pays don't think the affordable care act is working for them. >> agreed. >> we have to help those people without harming the people that the affordable care act helped. >> that strikes me as an interesting and worth wile policy goal, what you just enunciated. it is unquestionable what you said is true. there are people paying extremely high premiums and are not happy with the coverage they're getting. right now the house freedom caucus is negotiating with the president to do away with, say, community rating, essentially to pull back the provision that bans bans on pre-existing
conditions. is that the kind of thing you could go along with? >> not at all. not at all. we have to protect people with pre-existing conditions. we have to protect our seniors. you know, the affordable care act allows insurance companies to judge three -- allows insurance companies to charge up to five times as much. >> right. >> seniors at a time when their incomes are limited and they're in need of health care probably more than they were in their early years don't think that's a relief for them. so we have to be very, very careful. as the president said, this is a complicated issue. we have to make sure we're not harming people as we're trying to repair our health care system to help those who are being harmed by the current system. >> so i just want to be clear here because those seem like really important policy principles for you in terms of the folks that you represent and what role you occupy in the caucus. expanding from the three to one ratio to the five to one rash yes which was part of that initial bill that went down in flames. now they're talking about
getting rid of what's calling community rating that essentially mandates the insurance companies not charge sick people much more money than healthy people. you would not be able to vote for a bill did the things the house freedom caucus is trying to do. am i right in that? >> well, i was a declared no on the last bill. and if it's being tweaked to harm people further -- and i haven't seen anything. as the speaker said this morning, these are concept ideas that are being flushed out. we haven't seen any text, and these things change, i have to tell you. this changes by the hour down here. so until there's something concrete that we have to actually look at to see whether or not we could support, i'd be speculating. so, yeah -- >> i understand about bill language. as principles, community rating is a thing, right? that's something you could say independent of whether the bill language, you support that, and you would oppose an effort to get rid of it? >> we promised that we would not harm people with pre-existing conditions. we have to keep that commitment.
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video swing pple choking, fainting, foaming at the mouth, as desperate doctors scramble to tend to hundreds of victims. multiple countries, including the u.s., attributed the attack to the government of syrian president bashar al assad, who's widely believed to have used chemical weapons against syrians in the past. assad's government blamed terrorist groups and called the allegations fabricated. at a photo opp with king abdullah of jordan, u.s. secretary of state rex tillerson, who just days ago said assad's fate would be decided by the syrian people, ignored shouted questions about the attack. later putting out a statement reading in part, it is clear that this is how bashar al assad operates, with brutal, unakbashed barberism, those who defend and support him should have no illusions about assad or his intentions. in an official white house statement, president trump blamed assad but then went on to fault president obama. his statement reading, i quote,
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colonel, i want to read you two statements and get your reaction to how this president is positioning american policy on this incredibly high-stakes issue. this is the president talking about north korea to the financial times. well, if china is not going to solve north korea, we will. and this is rex tillerson just moments ago. north korea launched yet another interimmediate range ballistic missile. united states has spoken enough about north korea. we have no further comment. how do you understand the u.s.-north korea policy at this moment? >> ris, i understand it in a way that i'm deeply concerned about. i've been on and off the korean peninsula as a military professional and diplomat for over 40 years. i've participated in what rex tillerson more or less derided when he was on the peninsula, the policy of strategic patience. i'm sorry but that policy has kept war from the peninsula, well, since 1953. so i'm very concerned that we would suddenly and abruptly, with this very inexperienced
team in the white house, decide we're going to have a new policy and articulate statements that you've demonstrated that policy might include a serious look at preemptive military action or certainly at war on the peninsula. this is not the way to deal with north korea. >> you know, north korea seems like the classic example of no good solutions. but i mean they are a nuclear-capable power. they are on the border of both american forces and south korea, our ally, of course. it's just hard to imagine any kind of military conflict between the nations that isn't catastrophic. am i wrong about that? >> i've exercised all the war plans. i've probably been in more team spirit chief focus exercises than anyone else in the military. yes. the answer to your question is 100,000 casualties in the first 30 days, almost complete destruction of seoul.
we're talking about concentrations of artillery. we couldn't evacuate the american citizens fast enough. the -- so this would be an absolute disaster. we need to stop thinking about a military solution to korea. we haven't thought about that since '53, not really. this seems to be the inexperienced team again that's thinking about these sorts of things. and i have to hope -- i have to hope that with other things that trump has tweeted and talked about, that this is all his idea of establishing a hard negotiating position so he can move away from that as he gains what he wants, or at least partially does so. otherwise, it frightens me. >> you talk about the inexperience here. it's been hard not to scratch your head a little bit, i think, at seeing jared kushner in these meetings. he goes to iraq before the
secretary of state, rex tillerson, does. this is a washington post story about kushner, saying he is a singular, almost untichable role in the white house. and this is thomas mann, a senior fellow at bookinbrooking. it's as if trump is the don. he only trusts his close family members. what do you think about having this 36-year-old son-in-law of the president as a chief emissary navigating american foreign policy? >> my first deep concern is the same concern i have with almost the entire team. the experience quotient, the diplomatic quotient, does not go up when jared kushner walks into the room. that's my concern. these are amateurs. in many cases, they're rank amateurs, and they're dealing with some of the most serious issues that the united states confronts. let's look at what we've got going right now. we've got a potential war with russia. we've got a situation in china and the south china sea that
could ignite. we're deepening our experience in yemen, which ruined egypt. they call yemen nassar's vietnam. we've got a situation in north korea. there's an old theory called conservation of enemies. you don't want too many enemies at one time, and i would submit you certainly don't want too many enemies at one time when you have such inexperience in the white house. >> you know, one of the places you did not even mention in that, which of course is syria -- the news today of the chemical weapons attack. two things. one, i want to did you about the reaction. then i want to ask a substantive question. first, i was pretty struck by the statement of the president of the united states that sort of goes from condemning what is a war crime to essentially blaming it on his predecessor. it just struck me as really shocking tonally. >> i think that's pretty much the policy of this administration is when they can't find any other rationale, they throw it back on the other
administration, whether it's the affordable care act or syria. let me just adhed here. i am very reluctant to jump to conclusions about who, if they were employed, might have employed whatever chemical gas it was. chemical weapons are the weapon of the loser. saddam hussein, for example, when he's being attacked by iran. they're not the weapon of a winner. assad is winning right now. >> right. >> and that's the reality on the ground in syria. so my question is who's trying to ruin the talks? who's trying to destabilize the situation once again? i'm not saying assad wasn't possibly guilty. what i'm saying is we need to find out more about this use, and we need to find out if there are other parties involved. >> i should say that the reporting i've seen, at least from the people on the ground, afp was there on the scene today. the folks on the ground appear to be convinced it was assad's forces. that's not obviously definitive, but that's what the reporting
would suggest. >> i've read many of the reports, and they seem to imply that assad's air force distributed the serren or whatever over a vast tapestry. it's very difficult for me to put myself in assad's position and say, i'm winning. why am a going to pert bait the situation now the wade a use of chemical weapons would. >> do you think there is any path forward in syria that could lead to an end to the just unspeakable brutality and horrific bloodshed there? >> i certainly do, and i think it's the one that we were about, i think, to pursue. and that was to recognize assad, at least temporarily, as the leader of the legitimate state of syria and to negotiate some sort of political transition, however long that might take, with the other people involved. my concern, chris, about iraq and mosul in particular and syria in general is after that sort of stability is achieved, what does turkey do?
what does iran do? what does hezbollah do? what does assad do then? what does iraq do? what does iraq under the influence of iran do? i think the post-conflict situation, if we ever achieve it in syria, may be more serious even than the conflict. >> it's looking very far off tonight. thanks for being with me. appreciate it. >> thanks for having me. still to come, despite the trump administration's series of big legislative failures, they have already enacted tangible change. plus the president gets booed. that's tonight's thing one, thing 2, starting right after this break. when you're close to the people you love, does psoriasis ever get in the way of a touching moment? if you have moderate to severe psoriasis, you can embrace the chance of completely clear skin with taltz. taltz is proven to give you a chance at completely clear skin. with taltz, up to 90% of patients had a significant improvement of their psoriasis plaques.
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well, let's hear it. labore laborers. [ cheers and applause ] painters. [ cheers and applause ] sheet metal workers, roofers, plastere plasterers. plaster? well, yeah, that's -- we're not using as much plaster as we used to, fellas, right? no matter how you cut it. sorry about that. i'm not sure i can do much. we brought back the coal miners. i'm not so sure about the plasterers. we'll do the best we can, okay? we're going too the best we can. >>roht back the coal miners. did you catch that? already. things seemed to be going pretty well until the president started getting booed. and that's thing 2 in 60 seconds.
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knowledge, that is traitorous conduct because the russians attacked the fundamental institutions of our country, trying to delegitimize and change the outcome of our election and conspiring with a foreign power to attack the foundation of our democratic republic -- that is traitorous conduct. >> that was senator jeff merkley moments ago in his opposition. the confirmation of supreme court nominee neil gorsuch while the white house is under investigation. merkley is still speaking, plans to hold the floor all night. meanwhile another trump pick, jeff sessions, is making his mark as attorney general. the man who once criticized the doj's report on the chicago police even though he said he didn't read it has now, through his justice department, gone to court to seek a 90-day delay in a consent decree to overhaul baltimore's embattled police department. that kind of action by the nation's attorney general is remarkable considering that baltimore's mayor and its police commissioner strongly support the consent decree, along with citizen advocacy groups.
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president trump signed a bill yesterday that allows internet companies to sell your browser history. internet privacy rules instituted lasyear under the obam martian ha obama administration have been repealed. a regulation protecting alaskan bears repealed. a rule that stops coal companies from polluting streams, a pesticide which has been known to damage children's brains greenlit. also workplace protection for lgbt workers having revoked rules on bathrooms for transgender students in late quarterback. also nullified a workplace injury reporting rule. then with little fanfare as with so many of these, the president revoked obama-era protections for women in the workplace and the state department halted money to the u.n. population fund for family planning. joan walsh and christina grier,
associate professor of political science at fordham university. well, let me start with the browsing thing because to me it's such a perfect example of the way american politics works. we've read like one billion articles about the great uprising of the discontested white working class. here's your -- people of mahoning county, they can sell your browsing history. >> and you don't get anything for it. >> sell your own browsing history. >> it's awful. they've been doing these surgical strikes of incredible cruelty since the first day. you remember i think we were together when the first thing he signed on january 20th was something eradicating an obama fee reduction for mortgages for first-time home buyers. it saved a family about $500 a month which is nice as a first-time home buyer. they come up with thesis thie t.
how do they even know it's there? who went in and said day one, this is what we're doing. they are making people's lives miserable with it. this family planning cut is killing me. that program last year, our funding alone saved 10,000 maternal lives and stopped 100,000 unsafe abortion. they still haven't given any reason for it. george bush cut it because the fund was working in china and it was seen to be somehow associating itself with the one child -- coercive one child policy. that's not even true anymore. >> but what i think we have right now is sort of two sides of this administration. on the one hand, it looks like an abject failure, right? the muslim ban, the muslim plan 2.0, both failures. you couldn't get the aach passed. didn't even come up for a vote. doesn't look like gorsuch is
going to have a difficult time. >> harder time than they thought. nothing smooth. >> failure. on one hand, this man is an absolute disaster, in over his head. no one around him knows what they're doing. then we look at all these minor, micro aggressions that this particular administration is inflicting on the american public. especially so many of the poor people who actually voted for him. these people rely on family planning. these people rely on -- not everyone has a dad who can buy them their first home and give them a loan of a few million dollars, right? donald trump. so i mean -- >> also the people that live in places that have streams and things like that. >> coal. >> this frustrates me so much about the republican senators who will not stand up. don't you have children and grandchildren? all the money in the world cannot help your children have better air than a poor person. you may be able to live in a better neighborhood but at the
end of the day, water can't be oil. and so there is sort of -- they are making everything a scarce resource. they want to privatize everything. think about the future of this planet, if not for yourself, for your families. >> that's one of the places where, what scott pruitt is going to do to the epa, they've put it on notice. that's a place to me they can probably do the most damage from a unilateral perspective. whether it's the coal, the power plant rule, the enforcement of the clean air act which they -- let's be clear. they're required to enforce as a matter law but they can do away with in all kinds of ways. the other part of that is whether that packs a political punch. >> you know, i think it might, if -- the thing is it's got to get really bad in order for it to pack a political punch. if pruitt's stripping away of regulations and doing things through agency rules really does degrade the quality, you could have worse air in coal country
and in the rust belt than elsewhere. >> whether that's communicated in a -- >> that's the thing. it is getting bad, but it's not articulated in a way where it's like, when you are defunding the parks department and then giving someone a measly $78,000 check after you've taken away billions of dollars, that is not necessarily -- the visual makes it seem for his supporters like, oh, he's actually keeping his word. he's not keeping his paycheck. >> i also don't understand -- the budget is going to get ironed out in congress. the congress has the power of the purse. i never understand why they go after the national parks. also if there's one thing americans red and blue, conservatives love it's the parks. >> when we go to the parks. >> absurd elitist undertaking. thank you very much. i have a couple book tour events here in this great city, new york. for my new book "the calling of a nation." tomorrow night, i will be at the
is a threat to democracy? >> well, to our system, you know, the assaults on the institutions starting with my own, the intelligence community and his characterization of us as nazis. the commentary he has made about the judiciary, and individual judges. the assault on the bureau are examples which are not constructive for our country. >> general clapper, i appreciate your time. thank you very much. >> thanks for having me. >> very tough words from general clapper there. if you are just joining us now, let's quickly lay out the top story tonight. the riveting testimony, did he make the case for the obstruction of justice? and we'll get reaction from the
intelligence community, and first, dana bash with all the key moments. >> reporter: the former fbi director under oath and unvarnished, called the president who fired him, a liar. >> the administration then chose to defame me by saying that the organization was in disarray. that it was poorly led, that the work force had lost confidence in its leaders. those were lies, plain and simple. >> using the l word more than once. >> i was honestly concerned he may lie about the nature of our meeting and thought it would be really important to document. >> with a flair for the dramatic that he is known for, james comey tried to describe the fateful moment with the president, when the president kicked everybody out, and had a conversation with comey. >> my impression was i needed to document every word spoken, my
stunningly, comey's testified showed that he asked about realtime conversations. >> i woke up on monday night, it didn't dawn on me, there may be corroboration for our conversation, there could be a tape. and the judgment was i needed to get that out into the public square. so i asked a friend of mine to share the content with a reporter, i thought that may prompt conversation with counsel. >> that is a stark illustration of how seasoned he is in the ways of washington. what was not standard washington behavior, argued comey, was a president asking an fbi director for what he took as a loyalty pledge. >> and i could be wrong, but my common sense told me what is going on here is he is looking to get something in exchange for granting my request to stay on
the job. >> throughout his nearly three-hour testimony, comey revealed several nuggets about the fbi criminal probe now in the hands of special counsel robert mueller. >> do you think the president was trying to obstruct justice or just seek for a way for mike flynn to save face, given that he was already fired. >> general, at that time there was an open criminal investigation of his statements in connection with the russian contacts and the contacts themselves. >> and he hinted at information not known about attorney general jeff sessions. >> our discussions were he was close to and inevitably going to recuse himself. for a variety of reasons, we discussed incidents that i couldn't discuss in an open setting that would make the continued investigation into the
russian investigation problematic. >> and comey told the president he was not being investigated. comey revealed he handed over his memos about his conversations with trump to the special counsel, which could mean now the president is being investigated for obstruction of justice. >> and dana joins us. now, director comey also had fascinating details and very damning details about then attorney general loretta lynch, and the way she asked him to not reveal the context. >> basically, what he said and remember, of course, james comey was criticized in a big way by democrats and even some republicans for the way he handled the clinton e-mail investigation. he said that the obama attorney general then basically, his boss, loretta lynch, directed him not to call it an investigation, but then call it a matter, which he said confused and concerned him.
>> he also talked about the matter that the clinton campaign was using to describe. so thecolluding -- >> this is a bomb on lynch -- >> he didn't show director comey in the best light because he agreed to call it a matter. he didn't stantd up and say no, it's an investigation, it makes me queasy but i'm going to do it. >> thank you, dana, i spoke with her earlier this evening. >> senator feinstein, what was the key takeaway from your view on the comey testimony today? >> my key takeaway, the fbi has lost a good man and good leader. that is my takeaway. i think it's pretty clear he
refused to lay off of the flynn investigation. he refused to raise the cloud or stop the russia investigation. and he refused to pledge loyalty to a president and for that he got fired. and that is really too bad. that is not what the country is about. and the fbi should be separate. and it should function based on law. and not based on the political nature of a presidency. >> i want to play one of your exchanges with mr. comey about that february 14th oval office meeting when director comey said the president asked him to drop the flynn investigation. >> here is the question. you're big, you're strong. i know the oval office. and i know what happens to people when they walk in. there is a certain amount of intimidation. but why didn't you stop and say mr. president, this is wrong? i cannot discuss this with you?
>> that is a great question, maybe if i were stronger i would have. i was so stunned by the conversation that i just took it in. and the only thing i could think to say because i was playing in my mind because i could remember every word he said. i was playing in my mind what should my response be and that is why i very carefully chose the words. and look, i have seen the tapes. >> should he have done more in that moment or even in the aftermath, should he have alerted more people about it or come to congress? >> well, i do think he should have said look, mr. president, this is inappropriate, i can't discuss this with you. we can talk about other things but i can't talk about this. >> do you believe the white house has a taping system? >> i would sure like to see it if they have it. and we may do something about
trying to see if they do. but right now i candidly just don't know. >> at one point your colleague, republican senator tom cotton brought up past statements you had made to cnn about not yet seeing any evidence of collusion between the trump campaign? >> we haven't gathered all the evidence. we're just beginning. there is a lot more work to do. i know there is a rush to judgment but it's going to take time to do it. and the fair thing is not to make a judgment until you can see all the evidence in one place, ask questions, and make judgments and come to a conclusion. and that is the only fair way to do it, in my mind, anderson. and so i would say the same thing today about collusion that i said whatever it was a month ago or so. >> and i know you can't discuss the specifics with what director
comey told you and your colleagues in the classified section, can you say he gave you more of the detail you were looking for and if it leads you further in one direction or another? >> well, i can say this, there was an opportunity for members to ask questions. and so members ask questions that they had, that they could not ask in the public session. that's really all i can say. >> sure, finally, you heard the president's private attorney say this afternoon that the james comey testimony was a vindication of the president? is that how you see it? is that a vindication of the president? >> not at all. not at all. i actually tend to believe comey. and i think all of this could have been avoided and the tragedy is that the united states government and the people, the 30,000 employees of the fbi lost a good leader over this. and i very much regret that. and i really hope the president
does too. but i'll say this. if the new nominee wants to pledge loyalty to the president and won't maintain the kind of independence that has been the hallmark of the fbi, i certainly won't vote for him when he comes before us. >> senator feinstein, i appreciate your time. thank you. >> thank you, bye. lot to discuss with the panel, gloria borger, dana bash, mr. fuller, we'll start with you, was today -- was it a good day for the president? >> i think it was a good day for the president, james comey came across as a washington insider, who manages to be spineless. there were moments he admitted he was not standing up and giving the proper advice to the president. he was also verifying that a lot of things the president said were true.
i think also interestingly he also confirmed in my mind which i believed all along there was no obstruction of justice, no legal case to be made for that. >> he does contradict when the president said, i didn't tell him to stop the flynn investigation, he clear believes that was what he was directed to do. >> look, i found it kind of interesting they were kind of debating how many angels sit on the head of a pin. do they demand his honesty, his loyalty, i don't think any of that matters. the president has the authority under the article two of the discussion to seek the advice. he can fire him, certainly demand his loyalty. i think it's normal for a president to demand loyalty from all of his subordinates. >> do you think he has the right to fire you -- >> there may be a crime there,
that can be investigated. >> if i don't want any catholics in my investigation, so that's okay? >> yes, there are two separate legal questions, one, can the president constitutionally fire a person? the answer is yes, even if he thinks he smells bad. number two, even if the president fires him and engages in that behavior and we have evidence of that beyond a reasonable doubt, th that coulda separate a crime. could you prosecute the president? could the crime amount to a high crime that will suffice for impeachment. the answer is clearer, it would be yes. >> we disagree profoundly about this. the examples are gave are indicative of how serious what is going on here, if there are crimes committed between the attorney general -- between the director of the fbi and the president you bet that is obstruction of justice.
>> all right, tell me how it's obstruction of justice? >> it's very similar to 1972 -- >> not at all similar. >> where the president said there is a pending investigation. >> nope. >> of his full international securi-- former national security adviser, and he says let him go. that is the use of the fbi for political purposes and it's unlawful and should be prosecuted. >> here is the professor in me coming out. there are two sets of statutes under the u.s. code under title 18. they deal with the obstruction of pending proceedings and obstruction of investigations, there is only one obstruction of justice that would be arguable. that basically requires that there be an act of bribery that prevents a communication to a criminal investigator about a crime. you would agree that neither one
of those elements have been satisfied. >> correct. >> okay, we move on to pending proceedings. >> that is the relevant one. >> that is correct, 1510 and 12, both have proceedings language in them. pending proceedings is a legal term of art defined in section 1515, and a pending proceeding is a judicial or quasi-judicial proceeding, for example that would be an administrative agency that has subpoena power, enforcement power. the fbi does not have subpoena power so does not qualify. every single court that has been asked the question does an fbi investigation constitute a pending -- >> there was a grand jury proceeding in the eastern district of virginia investigating kelly at this moment. >> yes. >> so -- there is your answer. >> let me bring in other folks. >> i know. i know. i like --
>> i love the detail, though, i do love the detail. >> i'm a geek. >> believe me, this is a panel of geeks. >> this is called network of geeks, this is what we do. paul today -- >> i don't think the president can afford many more days this good. i disagree, good day, okay, you stay with that. my law school dean used to say if you want to hide something, put it in a law book. i'm not going to enter that conversation, but i am a geek, i was a watergate geek, i was too old for little league and too young for girls and i fixated on watergate, the smoking gun, the chief of staff for the president said the way to handle it now is for us to have vernon walters call pat gray, the head of the fbi and just say stay the hell out of this. this is business, we don't want you to go any further on that.
nixon says, uh-huh. that is all. for that, he was forced to resign, even barry goldwater said you were telling the cia to disrupt an fbi investigation. so if uh-huh was enough to drive nixon out of office, what the hell did we just hear james comey testify on? >> jason, you clearly believe this is vindication for the president, i mean, i'm guessing. >> call me crazy. look, i think the democrats servely over-played their hand today. we waited all day for some big shoe to drop and there just was not anything. once the folks in the media and the democrats get done running through the recap of the news cycle there is nowhere else to go. the biggest news today was the fact director comey cleared the president on a number of fronts. that was remarkable.
there will be additional investigation on the information on the leakins of the memo, i think that needs additional scrutiny, i think loretta lynch will have a couple of bumpy days in her future. there will be criticisms on other stories. >> you know, it's interesting the idea that you know, there was no big shoe dropping today. in some ways because so much of this information was reported out, leaked out. gotten by our reporters, "the new york times" and "the washington post" and others, it was not as big of a surprise, his opening statement was given out yesterday. >> and the senate intelligence committee posted it to their website, comey wanted it released so they could comb through it and come up with questions. so a lot of gee whiz questions were answered today. so two things happening today, really a problem for the
president was two big negatives got reinforced. the fbi director over and over again called him a liar, called his administration a liar. that was a negative for donald trump, two thirds of the country thought he was a liar back on election day, two thirds of the electrorate electorate. when comey said, i considered it a directive, a majority of people believe that he did want to interfere. because there was no big new thing to chew on, no big shoe to drop. i do think this day probably was not as bad as it could have been for donald trump but that didn't mean it was not a bad day. >> and comey came out and said i was fired because of the russia investigation, we had not heard that before that he had drawn the conclusion and he said that is a big deal. and so you can -- you can see as you go through all of his meetings and everything else that maybe he was not at
obstruction on day one, but by the time he was fired for his russia investigation and he would not answer this question today with good reason, but you can see that he was dryiawing - this is why i got fired. >> plenty of the things that director comey said today, though, to jay's point you can point to and say for somebody who was being portrayed as a boy scout, he clearly is a savvy, savvy, political player who survived for a long time. he doesn't confront loretta lynch, doesn't confront the president directly, yet he leaks this document in order to get a special counsel. it's like three dimensional chess. >> he was strategic in the way he delivered his testified, what he said. i mean, there were some questions, senator feinstein hit the nail squarely when she
asked, you're a strong person, why did you not question or challenge the president at this moment? it was also loretta lynch, i called some people close to her and they said they used the word matter at that time to neither confirm or deny there was an investigation. and then there was this other piece about lordy, i wish that there was a tape. so i called some members of the secret service and they actually said there is no taping devices within the white house. so -- but at the same time -- >> could have used this. >> exactly, yes, exactly, right. and donald trump is known, well, before he was president, when he was a businessman to tape people. so his business meetings, so it is not beyond the realm of possibility. but the question is did it
happen? so there is a lot of questions i was left with that i believe comey was delivered a strong statement, and he said, he said she says, so it's a long road. >> don't mess with comey. >> well, i think, i mean, i appreciate that it probably could have been worse for the white house, but any day that your spokesperson says the president is not a liar. and needs to say that because the guy that he fired from the fbi says he was, multiple times, is not a great day. >> we have much more ahead including how the white house is reacting to all this, and the president at least not reacting on twitter, and more on the comparisons with three sides of that scandal. the prosecutor and investigative reporter. one of the president's men who paid the price for it.
but he was also trying to have it both ways, at the same time saying that comey confirmed that the president is not a part of this russia investigation. but at the same time, pushing back on the notion that the president insisted that comey sign on as some kind of loyalty pledge. but the white house, the president's legal team really feels like they struck gold with this admission from james comey that he did put together the release of his memos through that columbia professor. and you heard that from the attorney today. he called it a former leaker. >> today, mr. comey admitted that he leaked to friends of his purported memos of those privileged communications. one of which he testified was classified. mr. comey also testified that immediately after he was terminated he authorized his friends to leak the contents of
those memos to the press in order to, in mr. comey's words, quote, prompt the appointment of a special counsel, close quote. although mr. comey testified he only leaked the memos in response to a tweet. the public record reveals that "the new york times" was quoting from those memos the day before the referenced tweet. which belies mr. comey's excuse for this unauthorized disclosure of privileged information and appears to be entirely retaliatory. we will leave it to the appropriate authorities to determine whether these leaks should be investigated, along with all of the others that are being investigated. >> now the president's attorney, mark kasowitz, has been feeling pretty good about the testimony yesterday. we understand that he was at the trump hotel in d.c. last night
passing out cigars and claims that the president has already won in all of this, anderson. >> jim, if memory serves, didn't director comey especially say it was not classified? that mark kasow yitz was saying one of them was classified. >> correct, how can it be a leak if it was not classified information? so you see perhaps legal enoughing there from the attorney today, but no question about it this is not case closed for the president at all by any stretch. but given the fact the president was called a liar once again by james comey in his testimony earlier today they are feeling pretty good at the white house. >> jimma acosta, thank you very much. >> reporter: and butler county has been very kind to republican candidates, since 2000 the
republican candidates won each time, including donald trump who won 61% of the vote. with us now are nine trump voters here in fairfield, ohio at rick's taverna and grill. first thing i want to ask you, it is a crime when you testify before congress to lie. that is perjury, you can go to prison for it. raise your hand if you believe james comey lied. four of you believe he lied. >> yep. >> raise your hand, he says that donald trump quote told lies plain and simple. raise your hand if you believe that donald trump lied at all about the situation. none of you believe it. for those of you who didn't raise your hands, if neither person lied, how can that be possible? why do you think if nobody lied, why did that happen? >> well, first of all, things can be distorted and appeared
likeliey lies, and i think maybe media may be distorted some things, not getting both sides. >> do you think mr. comey should go to jail? >> i think mr. impression of comey of this, he was kind of l.a.-kind of guy, like martha stewart. especially with his testimony today, he is more like ian flemming where he wants to be the next novelist, a lot of things he came up with things he was more inclined to fiction. >> he was in the room with the president, the attorney general, he told his son-in-law to get on it. he said mr. trump said he hoped he would let it go, meaning the russian investigation. but if your parents, if they say they hope you do something, isn't that imperative that you do it or is that necessarily not an imperative? >> he has been manipulated by
the clintons, too, when lynch told him to overlooking the meeting. >> hillary clinton is not president. talking about the situation -- so you don't think that comey is telling the truth about that? >> right. >> what do you think? >> i think mr. comey should have said something at that time. >> should have said something to who? >> mr. trump. >> what should he have said to mr. trump? >> i cannot do that, i have to go on with investigations, et cetera. >> be honest. >> we have to do it. >> i was never asked why i didn't think he was being truthful. but i believe he didn't adequately explain, why couldn't he just tell trump this is inappropriate, or tell the chief of staff or doj to tell trump? he continued on with that and could not adequately explain that. i feel the whole thing was wrapped around -- >> mr. comey says he believes he was fired because of the russian investigation, interestingly, the president has said i fired
him because of the russia investigation, is there a problem with that? >> i don't have a problem with that. first of all, mr. trump represents the united states of america. president trump is our president and sets a standard. >> but he had commented many times that he liked the job mr. comey was doing. >> i think he tried to be uplifting and encouraging to your quote unquote employees. but also he sent mr. comey several opportunities to be f t forthright and honest on some questions. >> let me ask you, a show of hands, how many of you feel better about donald trump, your president, after this hearing? how many of you feel worse about donald trump? i guess y'all would have raised your hands the first time. you think it was a success for mr. trump, not for mr. comey? >> absolutely. >> nine ohio voters on an
historical day here. >> thank them very much for not only watching with you but also coming back, long day for him. appreciate that. gloria borger, dana bash, dana, it's always interesting and valuable when you hear from trump voters in an important state like that. clearly, they saw it as a victory for the white house. >> you know, there is certainly a constituency, and we've known this for the arguments that the president makes, which is that you can't trust your lying eyes, you can't trust your lying ears, you certainly can't trust the media or the elites, or all the questions conspireing against me. there are people who actually believe that. by the way, that is the same open door that the russians pushed, with attitudes about hillary clinton and the elites, and all the rest. that is possible, there are historical parallels to this, there are a lot of people who supported nixon through watergate. and no, i'm not comparing all this fact pattern to the watergate, but what i'm
comparing is how nixon would rail against elites and the media and those conspireing against him. trump lifts from that playbook, and there are others who support him. >> the trump team, and getting help from them in a robust way this week, are trying to lift from. bill clinton's, they believe his people were masterful at keeping their base happy during the whole impeachment saga, and during the monica lewinsky -- it's probably not an accident that the president was with the evangelicals, saying we're under siege. you can sort of look at the list of things he has done on and on and on. it's not an accident. that is how they hope to survive the mid-term elections, and make sure the house of
representativ representatives, or any impeachment proceedings, stays in the hands of the republicans. >> if it's the president fighting jim comey, or it's the president fighting the democrats in congress who want to impeach him it really is easier to rally your base than it is to say oh, by the way, i'm not on the same page as paul ryan or the freedom caucus. that confuses people. so in a way this fight is something that i think trump is probably hankering for in an odd way because it will help him with his constituency. >> and there was a lot that happened in the committee with republicans, too, posturing, saying well, this is a great day. you can't prove he committed a crime. when they are excusing such disregard for the proper conduct of the president of the united states. in dealing with an fbi director this way and insinuating himself
into a criminal investigation. and the fact -- look, a lot of his supporters don't want to face up to facts here. the president wants to make this a credibility fight between him and jim comey, president trump who rose to national political prominence off a racist lie on president obama, accused obama of wiretapping him. i mean, come on. >> which is why -- not one republican questioned the veracity of what james comey was saying, it was he said, and nobody said what comey was testifying -- >> and came the closest, why didn't you challenge the president, et cetera, et cetera, et cetera, complemented comey on his testimony and writing skills and how clear he was. because they really could not challenge what he was saying directly. >> but to the original point, if the republicans are still strongly behind the president
which they appear to be, you know on the hill the republicans are not going to break away from him. he demonstrated how politically important he is. as long as that is the case you will see them hold together, even though his popularity is plummeting at large. >> we all heard the watergate comparisons that are being ba bandied about. i will speak with three key figures in the watergate hearings. how if guests book direct ater, choicehotels.com and stay twice
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look at. from what you heard today, did it disabuse you of that notion at all? >> no, on the contrary it reinforced it. and just so understanding the context of my comment, the big difference in my mind between watergate which i lived through, and this is the backdrop of the russian interference in our political process. as opposed to a burglary, a break-in. to me, that is hugely different. and i thought jim comey's testimony was riveting, compelling, and to me, reinforced the comparison at least in my mind, between watergate and what we confront now. >> so we have three people who would know more. carl bernstein, john dean, and
the director of the task force. carl, is this bigger than watergate? >> i don't question if it is bigger, i said this in some ways could be worse than watergate because it is about undermining our electoral process by a hostile foreign power. and destabilizing our most basic institutions which are free electionin elections. but also watergate itself was about undermining free elections. because the objective of the nixon conspiracy was to interfere in the democratic party's primaries and see as nixon's political opponent in 1972, to see george mcgovern be the nominee of the democratic party rather than senator edmond muskie, who was the frontrunner, and through a vast campaign of espionage, the nixon white house succeeded in helping mcgovern be
the nominee. so there are the parallels, but this time it is a hostile foreign power that has intruded and undermined our election process. >> he also says it's -- it is a domestic force, which is the president of the united states undermining the institution. >> well, exactly. in both cases. >> right. >> john dean, in terms of the larger arc of these kind of investigations where is this investigation as compared to you know, the arc of watergate? >> very early, very early, if you go from the june 17, 1973 arrests that the democratic -- '72, excuse me, to the end of the last trial which was january 1 of '75, that is about 928 days. and that first eight, ten months, there was almost no attention to it at all other than carl and bob and "the
washington post." but cbs, a few stories but really no coverage at all. >> and the supporters of nixon, how long did -- i mean, i know -- you have often credited, it's republicans who finally went to nixon. but rank and file citizens, were they still backing nixon all the way to the end? >> not quite to the end. what happened is, they overwhelmingly reelected him. he carried every state but massachusetts and the district of columbia. in the '72 election. slowly but surely there was an attrition in his support. you can see it in the polls. and it really is not until the discovery of the tapes and the fight becomes about whether to turn over his tapes and he finally gets caught in too many lies. and then he starts losing his orders. >> and just between the interiorplinterio interplay, and the iran contra
investigations, how does the interplay work? >> well, i had the same problem, cox tried to block my testimony. >> it was not archy cox's finest moment, but we were the beneficiaries of a lot of work done by the senate select committee on watergate. but as we've been saying, watergate really puttered along, john and his friends did a good job of keeping a lid on watergate, putting out the story, third rate burglary, et cetera. it wasn't until the saturday night massacre that was a turning point in watergate, when people began to pay attention, because something extraordinary happened. not only did nixon fire the man who was investigating him, but the attorney general of the united states and the deputy attorney general resigned
because they wouldn't fire cox as nixon had ordered. now, what happened to us as the members of the watergate special prosecution force was an extraordinary military type operation, where the fbi on nixon's orders came into our offices and took them over. took over our files, and took over our offices. now, what's extraordinary about what we're dealing with, and where i see a potential poor analogy is not now, but this is a curtain raiser. this sets the tone for an investigation by mueller, who is extraordinarily well wall fqual to lead the investigation. people are thinking and talking as they are in congress, some of them, about the possibility that
president trump might fire mueller andor rosenstein. what happens then? i lived through the idea of the fbi coming in and seizing our offices. it was not a happy moment. >> but again, you do credit republicans with really kind of driving this? >> that is the difference so far. that the real heroes of watergate, the great patriots were republicans in the house and the senate who did not go along with the president of the united states, and said, this is not about a republican plot or conspiracy, this is about a criminal president of the united states, and we will not stand for it. voting for articles of impeachment, the key members of the watergate committee. throughout the process. and that's what we have not seen
today, for instance. we look at what the speaker of the house, paul ryan, said in defense of the indefensible today, and said, oh, all this talk that the president was hearing, and that he was saying to comey is just about a new guy in town, and doesn't know how to talk the ways of washington, when in fact he's talking borderline obstruction of justice. so there's a huge difference here. but what we have seen, and one of the reasons it was such a bad day for the president of the united states, you know, first, what comey testified to. he had been told, and how he interpreted what the president was telling him, but also, we get into the notion that this committee in the senate, which we had said, oh, there's nothing, they're not going to do anything, they don't have the staff, they're going to go along partisan lines. it is showing that it is
determined to be a serious inquiry with whatever the limitations of staff they had, and now the president is being closed in on by the best and most competent investigator in this investigative culture, bob mueller, and a bipartisan committee of the senate of the united states, which is determined to get to the bottom of what he has done. >> carl bernstein, richard, thanks so much. more breaking news. the political drama playing out on the other side of the atlantic. votes are counted in the uk election. back-and-forth all night. for a while it looked like president trump's ally, theresa may, may be in trouble. christiane amanpour joins us now. christiane, what is the latest? >> it has been a seesaw for a long time. it's been many hours, they've been counting the votes. theresa may did not need to call
an leks but she decided she was going to. now the press are writing in their headlines today, the may gamble backfires, the may gamble has failed. even if she wins by a small majority, they say that this nonetheless will be very wounding. it is an extraordinary situation. of course, we've got the relationship with the u.s. she was the first foreign leader to meet president trump. she has the whole brexit on her plate as well. so at this hour, very uncertain way forward here in the united kingdom. >> if theresa may and the conservative party do not win, what sort of an impact could that have on the relationship with the u.s., and also with brexit? >> reporter: well, it's probably not a massive relationship difference. no matter what party is in power in the united kingdom, that relationship with the u.s. remains. the special relationship. especially now, much more important relationship. because they keep saying, no matter what happens, brexit is going to go ahead. if the uk doesn't have the eu,
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this is a democratic health care bill. are you ready? massive tax relief for middle-class american families. $700 billion in tax cuts. new health care bill gives people choice. so is the republican health bill perfectly mark of course it is a. is it better than obama care? of course it is. now, it's do or die for senate republicans. charles explains the stakes. >> this is really a test of the republic. if the republican party is concerned in the country is not able to pass this which is essentially about entitlement reform, if you can't do that then we have no hope of entitlements. >> jesse: so, we'll see if it republicans can pass the test. if they do, republicans should be thanking them for fixing the system that they broke.
>> here is the beltway battle who is involved with implementing obama care political commentator, tommy lawrence. ladies first. what did you think of my assessment of the stakes and where we stand on healthcare? >> you are right. it's also important to point out as he did that if we change just one word of obama care, the democrats were telling us we were killing people. a front let's be honest about the narrative. beyond that we should repeal obama care, replace it with liberty and have a great fourth of july. >> jesse: everyone can celebrate freedom on the fourth of july but the democratic party does not like freedom, they don't like choice when it comes to healthcare. they like choice when it comes to everything else on the platform. what is the democratic party dislike giving the american people more choice in selecting healthcare coverage? >> the affordable care act gave people choice. >> jesse: note didn't.
>> you are both completely wrong about the senate proposal and senate proposal. any one that takes covers from 22 million people is a not a choice it's a disaster. >> jesse: but if you're not mandating people through taxation to find of obama care, people are going to do it. they will have the freedom to decide whether or not they want healthcare or not. >> i want them to have healthcare because i don't want my bill to be significantly high because they choose not have health insurance coverage. >> jesse: but everyone's healthcare bills are already high after obama care was passed. premiums are skyrocketing. there's not a lot of choice. look at i will, there's only one option for people to choose from. how do you see the healthcare bill going down? >> it's projected next year, 44 counties will have no choice at all. we are in a death spiral right now.
there's no question to that. this narrative of the democrats pushing and were killing people and taken away healthcare, let's not forget the biggest liable which was told by barack obama, if you like insurance, you can keep it. yes, we need to fix something here. repeal now, replace later, let's do something because this is not working. >> jesse: anton, do the democrats have any substitutes policy input that they think the republican party might go along with? >> that depends. we have policy input for six years when president obama was president, guess what, the congress had no interest in trying to prove healthcare make it better. so, i don't think they're interested in listening to good ideas. they just want to repeal the affordable care act and give the opportunity to say they want something and take health insurance on 22 millie people. >> jesse: i don't agree with the last part. but i agree neither party wants their fingerprint fingerprints on a doomed dell.
do you remember susan rice? now, she has been slapped with subpoenas and she is going to testify on capitol hill in the unmasking investigation, looking into unmasking of trump officials which is not supposed to be political. those names were leaked and that's a crime. she's playing the race and gender card since she might be being targeted because of her race and gender. do you think that's a fair assessment? >> it's amazing to me how they seem to be able to pull out the cards. look at the people being investigated. look at what the president has to go through on a daily basis and he's a white male. it has a lot to do with susan rice herself. the moment you parade around with talking points and be on the youtube video it has to do
with being a liar. >> jesse: respond to. susan rice has been embroiled in the benghazi situation, she said it was about a video and she said bergdahl was a deserter and he served with honor and distinction and captured on the battlefield. then she changed her story in public about the unmasking. to susan rice have any credibility when she goes in front of the senators and congressmen on capitol hill? >> she has a lot of credibility. she served on her two presidents in the national security role. i can tell you to me she has more credibility than michael flynn had. >> jesse: we will see. i think everybody is going to want to see if susan rice raises her hand and plead the fifth. that would be interesting. thank you both very much. donald trump racking up big wins on immigration this week. there could be big surprises on the way. white house advisor doctor sebastian gorka is next.
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relationships will be allowed into the country. and who will be banned? joining me is deputy assistant to the president, doctor sebastian gorka. i'm not sure how many students are vacationing in honolulu, that's beside the point. in my opinion, coming to america is a movie, not a right. i don't think a lot of the aclu lawyers sitting at the airports understand that. now, tell me if i have this right. if you are 25-year-old syrian male and you fly into jfk, and that's a war-torn country, isis controls large swaths of land and maybe you have a rental car agreement. you cannot come into america like that were as before there is a shot you were getting in, right? >> right. so the supreme court gave us
vindication, 19 makes zero decision, no dissensions, the original travel moratorium stands with a small modification, unless you have close relatives. you cannot be distant relatives, cannot be your front fiancé. less their close relatives you're not coming into the united states until we review the process and are clear that we can verify who your and you are not a threat to america. >> that makes perfect sense in my opinion. america is a melting pot. but, we still have a chef and that's cannot control what ingredients going to the pot. that's common sense. i believe the supreme court believes that. there's a question whether ruth bader ginsburg should recuse herself because she said some things about trump when he was running and now that he was president which were unseemly. calling him an egomaniac, even
joking she might leave the country if he became country president, do you think that's a fair issue? >> i'm not going to qualify individual supreme court judges but i love your analogies about the chef. the one i use is simply, do you lock your front door at night when you go to bed? sure you do. and during the day when people come into your house who decided? do they decide who comes in or do you decide. the president has the constitutional authority and has had to decide who comes to the united states and becoming an america is not a rights, it's a privilege. >> to other big immigration wins this week, the house gop making good on the promise to make america safe again bypassing case law and defunding sanctuary cities. defending criminal illegal aliens.
democrats went nuts, listen. >> the republican parties have had mexican fever. is it not going well for the leader, let's whip out that mexican thing as the vice president penn said. healthcare not going well? but hates the mexicans today. these bills are nothing new and they are not really about fighting crime. they're about racial profiling and putting latinos in their place. >> i think that's offensive. little me this. if republican mayors were to disobey federal law on guns, on abortion, on any other hot button topic, marriage, the media would say there's a civil war up for the we have a constitutional crisis. but whenever there's a democratic mayor it somehow righteous.
>> that clip you just played was reverse racial baiting. nothing else. think about why this law was actually brought in front of the congressmen and women. a beautiful woman, 32 years old gunned down in broad daylight by a man who came to this country illegally, deported five times, convicted seven times. how is it a bad idea to stop that from happening again? >> is common sense legislation so someone commits a crime, felony and they are deported and are caught reentering the country illegally, they get locked up for some time. any democrat against that i'd like to see them explain that to kate's family. >> absolutely. this new bill means that if you are caught coming back after you been deported you can get two years in federal prison. if we convict you and then deport you and you come back
illegally, we can like you away for 25 years to protect the feet future kate stanley's. >> jesse: thank you. happy july 4. >> jesse: morning joe host calling the president sexist. but how do they treat sarah palin? the great one. mark is here with the report. the fake news media saying donald trump is going to get them killed. a former cnn reporter explains her psychosis, up next. ependabl. she pretty much lives in her favorite princess dress. but once a week i let her play sheriff so i can wash it. i use tide to get out those week old stains and downy to get it fresh and soft.
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>> cnn, fake. [applause] the camera just one off. okay, you can come back. i would say. i won't say anything more about you. i see the red like off. >> jesse: those comments after a rough week from cnn. the network embarrassed itself not once but twice, first having to retract a fake story which tied former trump aid joe >> been admitting russia coverage is baseless and for ratings. when will the fake news and? joining me now, journalists and our of the smear. fake news control we see and think and how you will.
>> so, cnn has had a rough spring i'm think it's safe to say. that the kathy griffith debacle, the james comey testimony exclusive they had to retract, some people said things about trump that i'm not allowed to repeat on air. then people like to say the media is there to hold the powerful accountable, think now the media has become so powerful the media itself is being held accountable and they don't like that. >> i would say was happen at cnn is a reflection of a larger trend i talk about in the book whereby the news media in some regards has been successfully infiltrated by the interest that tried to drive narratives and smear. we've invited them into our newsrooms and we've hired them in this is the result. >> when you hire political hatchet men and women as producers or as on-air talent, you have to expect everything is
going to get burned to the ground and it will not be the same institution as it once was. talk about media priorities here, the mainstream media is obsessed with russia i think 353 minutes dedicated to the russia comey investigation, the paris accord, 47 minutes. the fight against terror only half an hour. but anything regarding president's policy agenda and the substance behind it gets little play. you're not surprised by the fact that the american people are so turned off by the press because they don't think the press is covering the president fairly. >> it kind of reads like a textbook propaganda or narrative campaign when you look at how the russian narrative emerged and compared to the facts and i spoke to a couple of former obama officials who said they do
not think russia even had an impact at all in our election let alone colluded with donald trump. these are obama intel officials. they went on to describe how china has interfered with our elections and they consider that a weaker threat, iran is a much bigger threat and north korea's the biggest foreign threat. yet none is bn reported with the ferocity that you mentioned that we are reporting on russia. >> jesse: speaking of threats, people are now claiming they are the ones under threat and take a look at this montage. >> have you raise the concern that all of us in the news media have about the president calling us enemies of the american people because that's a very harsh statement and potentially dangerous. >> at what point does this become dangerous?
i'm talking dangerous as in a journalist gets her. i can tell you working overseas in war zones, people are in bold and by the actions of this administration, emboldened by the declaration of war and the media. >> the reporters and journalists are enemies of the state. someone, god forbid someone is going to do something violent against journalist and a large way. >> so first of all we would like to correct the record. the president did not say you are an enemy of the state. he said fake news is the enemy of the people. it's interesting because the press likes to say when trump calls the fake news media that will cost someone to shoot them. on the other hand you've had the press calling republicans racist, bigoted traders for the last year and a half and then
someone did come out shoot a republican and said rhetoric had nothing to do with it so which is it? >> it's that substitution game i like to play have similar things are treated depending on who makes the accusation. i think that's a signal. >> jesse: i want to get to something in your book and it's a great book. you came across an e-mail from palmeri who was hillary clinton's communications director during the campaign. and jen sakae who is the obama state department spokesperson. it says this, think we can get the interview with kerry by cbs done so he is not asked about e-mail? the e-mail is referring to the hillary clinton e-mail scandal. that seems like collusion to me, doesn't it? >> if you look at the chapter i read in the book is full of e-mails that say things like
that and far worse where the journalists are you kidding behind the scenes and agreeing to let officials call the terms of the campaign. one of clinton's assistance was talking to a reporter in washington who wanted an advance copy of her speech and he said okay, if you meet these three conditions. one was that you must describe her speech is muscular which is a name you not think of as used to describe a speech, not only was it used by that reporter an agreement you can see a black and white, i looked into several other reporters use the same words in describing the speech. >> not a coincidence that muscular was used in the report? >> could even think of that word? not one time but three times that they were insisting the term be used, that's eye-opening. >> i've always said there's more
evidence of democratic party colluding with the media then evidence that donald trump colluded with russia. >> jesse: still to come, remember when obama said this during his last week in office? >> as i prepare to take on the the more important role of citizen, know that i will be there with you every step of the way. >> he may have stretch the truth, and now is on democratic colleagues are fuming. will explain in the real news of the week. then will talk left wing hysteria over the plan to repeal obama care. okay, yup. good night. with accident forgiveness your rates won't go up just because of an accident. switching to allstate is worth it. it's your glass of willpower that helps keep cravings... ...far, far away. feel less hungry with the natural fiber in clinically...
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on sunday morning the president tweeted a 282nd video of a wwe broadcast edited to show the president wrestling a man with a cnn local on his face. the # reading fake news cnn. it has prompted sharp criticism that is one of his most shared and most retweeted post ever. new jersey governor, chris christie plans to convene the legislator on monday in an attempt to break the budget deadlock that prompted him to shut down the government on friday. if reload 35000 workers and also force the closure of all 40 state parks for the fourth of july weekend. christie has signed a state of an emergency to allow essential government services to stay in operation. >> it's disgusting, vulgar. talk about winning that way? you physically look like you do, be on the stupidity of it, you're a pig, you are a bully,
and you are doing disgusting things to this country. >> jesse: wow. that was a former cnbc host on morning joe attacking president trump for his early tweets about joe scarborough and mika brezezinksi. some think he went overboard in his comments but msnbc is not want to talk. they spent nearly a decade trashing people like sarah palin and the most disgusting way. people like joe scarborough making fun of the way she speaks in her family. even martin was forced to do resign after comments about the former alaskan governor. where's the outrage? mark, author of rediscovering americanism and host of seer to be networks joins me now. so, before is out there saying that trump is a mentally old
narcissist dictator. i don't think it was the fire smartest thing for president trump to go after her physical appearance but the morning joe has been trashing people like sarah palin for ages on firm ground : president a sexist. >> they have the heartbeat of greenwich village, they claim to represent the people, i don't even watch the show. i see clips of the show, i would say this, if you believe in women's rights, why do you defer to joe, your future house spend all the time which is what she does? she's a second seat. at astro this, why did you feel it radio, i know this because and he left where i am he and she said, were taking a respite to rebuild the radio show and then they wind up on msnbc. that show has less shows than sonogram radios. >> the only time i watch cnn is when i travel.
you are a trained lawyer, there's some audio we won't play but i think the president was at a fundraiser the other day and i think he said maybe i should sue cnn. cnn has been caught and if you embarrassing stink situations and have had to eat crow recently. does he have a case? >> no. he doesn't have a case. can i go back to the little fellow, donny deutsch area and let me tell you something. you think you're a tough guy on tv and talk about the president of the united states that way? that's a problem with that show. you want to be respected then you need to treat people with respect. you want to be a jerk then you will be treated like a jerk. whether we agree with the president or not, the fact is he's in a proud and accomplish
man and has done more than joe scarborough had done in his life. you can challenge him on the issues. you can take him on certain personality traits. but when you start attacking him you get no respect and you don't reserve respect either. >> so don't have these guys in the same greenroom you could have trouble. >> i'm nervous. >> jesse: let me tell you about healthcare. i've said the health care bill coming out is not going to be perfect. we know obama care is far from perfect. what you want to see happen? >> i think it's a disaster. i think with the senate is doing is a disaster. the american people cannot even tell you what the senate is doing. people are going to a dr., they want to have access to a dr. and it access to procedures they need and surgeries they need. they don't want long waiting times at a reasonable price. how do we get there? do we get there through the centralized government type system? people do you know in america go to canada for healthcare? how many people in america go to britain for dental care?
how many people go to france for healthcare? were the only industrials countries that don't have socialist healthcare. good. i like the presence latest idea. if they can't pass something, and i hope they don't, because it's always in the mind to the left, it's all based on obama care. if it's repealed and you get 12 months notice what happens? that is 20 milli- people who need insurance. they say 20 milli- people one have insurance, that's baloney. free enterprise, entrepreneurs and insurance companies will step in and offer different types of policy. they will make money, prices will come down this 20 milli- people will have healthcare. >> i think the original idea should not have been expanding coverage should have been reducing costs. the cost went up and now everyone wants the cost to go down, it's bogus to say people will lose insurance, of course they will because they will not
be taxed into getting insurance. >> i'm in medicaid's welfare program. >> and it's exploding. here's the thing, they think look at all this coverage, people in medicaid don't like medicaid. we don't even discuss and debate it. i like this idea, repeal the thing, give 12 months to the private sector those 20 milli- people are likely to have good health care. >> i spacer on the other day and i said what are we gonna do and he said face too. let me talk to you about the russian, obama collusion angle. this is something you been talking about, the washington post came out this piece that obama is struggling with the russian interference. this week, i've heard very little for some strange reason
about the collusion angle. why is that? >> because of your point, barack obama was president, commander-in-chief and was responsible for protecting us from cyber warfare. it was great hearing these on the senate intelligence committee who used to love the soviet union and now they don't like russia. i've never like putin by the russian government. that said, when i listen to them go on and on about what an assault this is on america yeah what did you do about it? who's the fbi director? comey, clapper, you have loretta lynch, obama, what did they do? they covered it up because they wanted her to win hillary of they didn't want people to think the election was tainted. i thought this is a dereliction of duty on behalf of the president. it's funny they say the democrats were for russia before they were against. mark, congratulations of the book.
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leadership. so the sanders family is under investigation, the trump family, not. now who's feeling the burn? the national endowment for the arts is spending $20000 of taxpayer money on illegal immigrant lesbian musical called walls. this is one wall that mexico is not going to be paying for. surprise, surprise. seattle's first in the nation 15-dollar per hour wage law is hurting the workers it aims to help. the new way boosted pay by 3% and resulted in a 9% reduction in hours which means workers are taken about $125 less each month. reminds me of the saying, the road to hell is paved with good intentions. as democrats continue to lose house there finding ways to relate to voters. instead of changing leadership
this week they decided to appoint congressmen of illinois as a new chairwoman of heartland engagement. proving once again how i don't out of touch the democrats are. president trumps criticism of the nato allies for not investing in the military is paying off. nato secretary-general announced plans to boost defense spending by 4.3% this year. looks like tough love works. here's your fake news story of the week. if you been watching cable news this year, you have seen dozens of democrats that all 17 intelligence agencies agreed the russians hacked the election. this has come from the highest levels of the russian government. clearly from putin himself, in an effort a 17 of our intelligence agencies have confirmed to influence our election. >> 17 agencies came to a consensus conclusion that we
took the extraordinary step of making public. >> we have 17 u.s. intelligence agencies have said that russia attempted to influence our election. >> 17 u.s. intelligence agencies issued a statement expressing their unanimous assessment. >> jesse: that was fake news. ironic susan rice was in it again. the new york times buried a correction at the bottom of the paper same there was only four agencies, not 17. who's counting? apparently not the new york times. all immigrants want to become citizens have to pass a basic test. could you? "watters' world" quizzes college students when we come back. >> what year do we declare independence? >> 1984? >> way off. ♪ rs. ♪ ♪
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>> reporter: very rich, but not very punctual. jeanne moos, cnn, new york. >> thank you so much for joining us. "ac 360" with anderson starts right now. good evening. thanks for joining us. breaking news tonight in the russia investigation. new reporting how interested the fbi seems to be in carter page. the story detailing how many times page has been questioned already, what he's been asked about and told investigators. page himself, calling the encounters extensive. in a moment, the correspondent who broke the story. but we begin with the health care replacement billion. 22 million fewer people with insurance by 2026. that, according to the congressional budget office. also big deficit reduction. however, it's that 22 million estimate that could be politically toxic to some republican moderates, one of
whom weighed in late tonight. so a lot to get to, starting with phil mattingly. what else is in the cbo report? >> reporter: you start with that tom line number, anderson. you know it's important, particularly for moderate senator. several pointed to the coverage number before the cbo report released and said their vote may be contingent on that. 22 million fewer would have insurance over the course of a ten-year period. the senate bill takes a different approach than the house bill to try and address the house bill's coverage problems. the house bill had 23 million. the senate has a more robust tax credit. they phase out medicaid over a slower amount of time. you also need to hook at the medicaid cuts or the reductions in medicaid spending based on dramatic reforms in the medicaid program. $772 billion will be spent over the course of ten years. you noted the deficit reduction. this is very important.
3 $321 billion the deficit reduction in this bill. the house bill has a baseline of about $133 billion. the senate has to at least match that. so they have matched that about they have about $220 billion to work with. when you look at moderates who are concerned how deeply this bill comes back on things like medicaid, mitch mcconnell has a pot of money to work with. but as is always the case here, there's a push and a pull. if you start spending such of that money on say opioid recovery grants, you have conservatives who are concerned about the spending and the medicaid phaseout as is. they might revolt. one other quick item, conservatives have been very keen on one specific issue, lowering premiums. that's their be all, end all. if you look at the cbo report, there is good news on that front. by 2020, premiums for individual plans would drop by 30%.
one of five mainers are on medicaid. so her insistence she'll vote no on the ability to move forward on this senate bill, a vote we're expecting tomorrow or wednesday is problematic. she becomes the third republican senator to say they won't even vote to get to the votes on the bill itself. so that throws kind of a wrinkle into the process. but also if you think about what senator dean heller of nevada said friday, what senator rand paul has been saying now for weeks and then you put into context what senator collins said in those tweets, they are taking apart piece by piece by piece very central components of this bill saying they are not good enough, they need major changes. do they have the time to try and get these senators back in the fold by the time this week is out? that is an open question right now. they still want to get a vote by the end of this week, but there's no question, there is a lot of work to do and the cbo report didn't help. >> phil, thank you very much for
the update. the white house put out a statement, critical of the cbo, reading the cbo has consistently proven it cannot accurately predict how legislation will predict insurance coverage. i want to bring in my panel. gloria, the big headline, 22 million more people being left uninsured if the bill passes. is that too much for some republicans to swallow? >> you haven't heard republicans say the cbo is so great, i'm going to support the bill. it obviously makes them nervous and shows that in ten years, you're going to have 15 million fewer medicaid enrollees, and you saw the tweet from susan collins where she's worried about that in the state of maine. this affects older people. it affects lower income people. and i think that what you see here are republicans getting more and more nervous about voting for this bill. and i spoke with one senator today who said look, why are we
in such a rush to do this? we know that mitch mcconnell wants to get this done before the recess, so we don't go home to angry constituents. but this senator said, i think i need to hear from my constituents. >> maggie, what is the rush? >> i think gloria is right in terms of the position that senators are finding themselves in. the rush comes from the fact that as time drags on, as we know with this type of legislation, if you look at where things are and how hard sit to get one vote that we're talking about from those three possibly movable senators, the longer things go, the harder it becomes. this is why you see senate majority leadership trying to shove this through. it's also what the white house would like to see. the white house made the calculation that republicans have campaigned for several cycles on repealing obamacare. they now have control of both houses of congress. they have legislation with which to do it. but make no mistake, it is very difficult to take away an
hang your hat on, and there's room to negotiate now. mcconnell now has some room to run with the individual senators. so it was not unexpected that the cbo score would set off a round of hand wringing. but there's room to negotiate, and i really hope republicans remember what we ran on, which is cut taxes, cut the deficit, cut premiums, and the bill right now under the current framework does that. >> van, what about that? to the point, the president did say he's not going to cut medicaid, but is this what republicans ran on? >> i don't think it's what donald trump ran on. part of the thing that goes wrong is we talk about this in a partisan prism. it's republican thing, a democratic thing. this is not going to be a republican policy. it's not going to be a democratic policy. it's going to be the american policy when it comes to health care. and what we're going to be saying is, if you are poor, and you get sick, we just don't care
they do have a history of inaccuracy. but let's pretend they're 100% right. there's some percentage of this 22 million that would have never gotten coverage in the first place, including some people who signed up for medicaid that might not otherwise have signed up if it was not forced upon them by the government. so that is a fact that we have to deal with here. there's some people in this country that just wouldn't want to buy health insurance. so you can call it mean, and if that's what the president said, and i know that's what he said he said. but again, there's a group of people that it's not being mean to, because they wouldn't have bought nit the first place. >> but those same people, the moocher caucus who say if we're not going to buy this, but if they slip on a banana peel, they go to the emergency room and we all pay for that. so obamacare said you just can't be a moocher, you have to pay in if you want to pull out. now the republicans have become
the pro-moocher party. they love the fact that you've got a bunch of people that want to believe free riders in the system. i don't understand, the republican party has literally flipped upside down under trump. makes no sense at all. >> under van's argument, anderson, he's assuming that every single person who signed up actually paid their premiums. it is true, a bunch of people signed up and never paid in. so you can pretend like there's no moochers on the system right now, but a whole bunch of people signed up and never paid their premiums after they signed up. >> go ahead, gloria. >> i want to add to maggie's good point earlier. what you are doing here, whether people paid their premium or didn't pay their premium, they believe they have health insurance, whether they -- medicaid expansion gave them health insurance or not. what you're asking members of congress to do is take something
away. that's very difficult. once people have it, they don't want to get rid of it, which is why we call it entitlement programs. on top of that, you add in the fact that the major stake holders, the american medical association, the hospital association, the aarp, they're all opposed to this. they can go out and campaign against it. and i think it makes it very difficult for a republican senator, no matter how conservative and what your argument is, or if you're susan colins in the state of mairne, o go to your older voters and say we're taking away health care. >> an additional point i would make is that you have a president who has been, as he often is, he treats everything like it's an open ended negotiation. so he's been on various sides of his own bill essentially. it is my bill, it's not my bill. you're asking members of congress to go out now and essentially campaign on and risk campaigning for 2018 on votes
medicaid. one thing that we are viewing this bill through the prism of, we're taking away, but maybe we ought to view it through the prism of we overextended ourselves and promised something we can't afford and now we're having to do reforms to bring it in alignment of what we can deliver. another issue is this. under the current medicaid system, you get more reimbersment for covering able bodied people than disabled people. under the way medicaid works, it is disadvantaging people who have disabilities in favor of people on the reimbursement rates that are able bodied. some reform is necessary to save medicaid for the people who actually need it the most. >> he did say there would be no more cuts, and we're talking over $700 billion. go ahead, van. >> i agree that there are all kinds of ways to improve our system. but play thing fuzzy math where we're spending a whole bunch of
money, i think we're spending too much money on the health care system because i think we have too many big private insurance companies that are ripping us off. there are other solutions, like single payer. there are other countries doing a better job. i'm all for reform. what i'm not for is giving massive tax breaks, massive give aways to rich people and throwing poor people under the bus. you're going to have to deal with the fact that a lot of people voted for trump because he said he was going to bring the premiums down. the premiums that are coming down are coming down because you're going to be paying less for crappier coverage. that's not what people wanted. and so listen, we're now in a situation where the reformers, who have good ideas, are being drowned out by the people who are just hard core against programs to help poor people and it will come back to bite you guys. more breaking news to talk about in the russia probe. the fbi has questioned carter
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national security advisory team, but seems to have little actual contact with him. it seems he may have never even met president trump or even candidate trump. however, the washington post is reporting he's had plenty of contact with the fbi. joining us now is devlin barrett. so you reported that carter page, the one-time foreign policy adviser to the trump campaign, has been interviewed several times by the fbi. do we know what they were talking to him about and how detailed it got? >> it got very detailed as has been described to us, and lasted for some total of about ten hours. that's spread out over five separate meetings, but that's extensive questioning, you know, a lot of lawyers would certainly be surprised to hear that the questioning went on that long. and we nona they talked about, for example, some of the allegations in the dossier that everyone has been obsessed with over the last six months. page's position, he denies the
that he was questioned extensively, but i don't know what carter page knows and what he can provide them. i watched his interview with you, you know, several weeks back, and it was mystifying in terms of what he was trying to communicate. he did a couple of other tv interviews around that time. you know, the trump campaign did name him, did identify him as somebody working with them during the campaign, but then they distanced himself. i have no indication he had any interaction with president trump, but he's become somebody that authorities are interested in questioning, and it adds to the drip, drip nature of what we're seeing with this probe. >> gloria, i interviewed carter page back in march and his role or lack of role how he advised candidate trump. i want to play some of that. did you ever brief donald trump as a candidate or president-elect? >> president trump, i never
briefed him. in reality -- >> did you ever meet him if >> i never shook his hand. i've been in many rallies with him from arizona to north dakota to many in new york. >> rallies? >> which is meetings. >> so the hundreds of thousands of people who have been to rallies -- >> i've been in smaller rallies -- >> so hundreds of thousands of people who have been to donald trump rallies, can they say they've been to meetings with donald trump? >> i've been in smaller ones, as well. >> it's possible that he was -- he was named at one point when donald trump needed to name some foreign policy people, but it doesn't seem like he had much of a role. i think he attended one dinner, not that the president was even there, for other people associated with the campaign. and maybe he sort of talked up his credentials in moscow when
he was there in front of reporters by saying he had been in meetings with the president. but his definition of meetings are rallies that thousands of people attended. >> well, it's very clear from your interview, and from watching carter page in other interviews, that he wasn't a confidant of donald trump. he didn't advise him ever one on one on foreign policy. so it's interesting that the fbi is spending so much time talking to him. so i bet what they're looking at is what his relationship with the russians was, and whether the russians thought that he would be more of a conduit than he actually was. and maybe they, you know, maybe they took a look at him and said oh, he's on this list, and we've known him over the years, and we have a relationship with him, and maybe he could be helpful to us. with donald trump at some point
in the future. i don't know if that's what you think the fbi might be interested in, but it seems to me his relationship with the russians would be a lot of interest. >> and in your article, to carter page, he seemed happy with the end result of these interviews. he said to you that it restored his faith in some of the people in the fbi. >> right. and i think that's how he approaches this whole issue. he feels that he's being smeared publicly, and he feels like he can explain himself adequately. so in his mind, there's nothing to quoshlworry about. you have to remember that carter page is one of the first investigative issues in this whole russia question, going back to the summer. so he's one of the people that the fbi is interested in first. he's also one of the -- we reported previously that there was a fisa warrant out on his communications precisely because
of what gloria mentioned, which was this concern that he may be in regular contact with russian officials who are maybe steering him in some way or manipulating him in some way. all of which he denies by the way, but that was the concern. and i think frankly the questioning shows it was still a concern then. >> interesting. thanks to everybody. coming up, the white house saying another washington post article makes it clear there was no collusion between russia and the president and his associates and the obama administration knew there was no collusion. to put it bluntly, that's not what the article says at all. we're keeping them honest on that. and another strange press briefing, next. now you drive 300 miles to watch this. yes, nice pop toss! flag dancing? we've been there. and with free hot breakfast and a warm welcome, we'll be there for you. hampton by hilton.
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well, another day, another mystery surrounding the white house press briefing. today's briefing was once again off camera. there is audio of it, which includes jim acosta asking why the cameras was turned off. there was one remarkable thing, sean spicer attempting to answer questions about the president's tweet storm. so what was the interaction you had with shawn spiceer? >> reporter: we once again got our nonanswers off camera today. it was another restriction placed on us by the white house. and unfortunately, we all went along with it. here's one example of -- one exchange where i tried to ask sean spicer to turn the cameras back on and here's what happened. sean, can you answer whether -- >> there's no camera on, jim. >> maybe we should turn the cameras on, sean?
>> i'm sorry, jen. jen? >> the lights are on. there is a room. >> reporter: there was another exchange later on in the press briefing where we tried again. during that exchange, sean spicer ignored my question about why the cameras were off, but a report we are the conservative outlet, oann, went ahead and asked sean spicer the same question, and he said basically we're going to have days where we have the cameras on and where we don't have the cameras on. but if you look at the last several gaggles and briefings here at the white house, anderson, they've nearly been all off camera. so the question becomes, is this part of a new normal here at the white house where the press freedoms are being taken away, to have these spokes people for the president of the united states answer our questions in front of the cameras. >> the president took to twitter to criticize former president obama for his response to the alleged russian interference in the 2016 election. i want to read some of those.
the reason that president obama did nothing about russia after being notified by the cia of meddling is that he expected clinton would win and did not want to rock the boat. he didn't choke, he colluded or obstructed and it did the dems and crooky hillary no good. the real story is president obama did nothing after being informed of russian meddling in august. they have zero tapes of t., people chuding. there is no collusion and no obstruction. i should be given an apology. what did the white house have to say about all that? >> the white house was asked about some of this today, and there was one interesting exchange that occurred during the briefing where sfipicer was reminded where it was during the campaign where candidate trump invited the russians to hack into the server and find the e-mails. sean spicer said that was a joke, and that is what we were told during the election last july, i believe it was.
but one thing we should point out about these tweets from the president, anderson. one is, the president is alleging that former president obama was somehow colluding with the russians because he did nothing after finding out about the russian meddling. president obama confronted vladamir putin at a g20 summit in september of last year. so to say he did nothing is inaccurate, even though there are some democrats, like the house intelligence committee chair adam schiff who said president obama should have done more. but it's inaccurate to say president obama did nothing. this is another attempt by the president, by this white house to shift the story on the russia investigation to say that it's president obama's fault, is just another example of this white house trying to escape accountability on a very important question. anderson? >> jim acosta, keeping them honest. thank you very much. now we're keeping them honest on one other point that spicer made in today's briefing. he said this about an article in "the washington post." he said if you believe the story
that is written, that means from august to november 8, two things. one, that if you believe then they did know about this and there are some serious questions about what they did or did not do in terms of acting. and the second is clear, they knew all along, talking about the obama white house, that there was no collusion, and this is very helpful to the president. now, we read "the washington post" article and did not get that at all from "the washington post" article in question. so we thought we would go to the guy who wrote the article, reporter adam entes. adam, what is your reaction to sean spicer says your story shows there was no collusion, and the obama administration knew that? >> i'm not sure where he's drawing that conclusion from. that's something we did not address in the story. in fact, what really was going on was this compartmentalization took place within the u.s. government. when the fbi launched its counterintelligence investigation, looking at
possible coordination between the russians and members of the trump campaign, that was started in july before the intelligence arrives at the white house in either late july or the first few days of august, from the cia, which pointed to putin's direct involvement in ordering this operation. so there's no -- there's no intelligence that's being received at that point by anyone in the administration about these contacts. >> i reread your story from friday, and to me i just could not find anything that was talking about collusion. i mean, there is a part in the story where you mention almost in passing the fbi investigation of contact between the russians and trump associates. that investigation is still ongoing. so the idea that the white house uses your article to draw a conclusion, it just doesn't make sense. >> yeah. not only that, we didn't put this in the story. in the first few lines of the piece, we talked about a meeting that takes place at the white
house in early august. and comey is in attendance at this meeting, along with the president. but according to the people we spoke to, comey did not mention that there was an fbi investigation that had just been launched, looking into possible coordination between the trump campaign officials and the russians. so comey was withholding that information from the obama administration at that point. we learned that later on, around december, some information began to filter out. in part because obama asked the intelligence community to go through all of their reports that had not been distributed. these are intelligence intercepts in particular, that were picked up by the national security agency. so some of those, when they started to relook back through some of their previous intercepts, they began to see some information that was about some of these contacts. and so that's information that they only begin to learn about in december, which is around the same time frankly that we at
"the washington post" and other newspapers, and at cnn were beginning to hear about the same things. >> this is a certain irony in sean spicer citing your article. because obviously the president and sean spicer and allies routinely sham t lly slam "the post" and cnn and others for stories they don't like. here they are pointing to your story as vindication to the president and your story does rely on anonymous sources. >> yeah. trump said in some tweets that obama was basically sitting on this and didn't respond. and he should have responded more aggressively. the irony of that, one of the reasons that obama denieds to the to respond more aggressively is concern anything he did would be used by trump when he was at that point a candidate to basically make the case that this election was rigged. that was part of the reason that obama decided not to respond. >> hmm.
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them, or at least create doubt in the american public about the legitimacy of the elections. so the first thing we did is made sure the elections were massive defended. and we had to take into consideration what the russians were trying to do and thinking how do we present this? we didn't want to play into russia's hands by creating the perception of a problem. that would have been doing russia's work for it. at the same time, president obama confronted president putin, warned him starkly to knock it off, and that was that extraordinary statement by the director of homeland security in early october, the very same day that the access hollywood tapes came out. so there was a lot of action taken. at the same time we were doing that, mr. trump was calling on the russians to hack more and to release more. so you've got to wonder where his criticism is coming from
now. >> tony, in that washington post article, which interviewed according to "the washington post" two dozen or so or maybe like 22 former officials and folks, if my tell memory serves correct, they seem to intimate that the white house, at that point, also believed that it was likely hillary clinton was going to get elected and they could deal with it more after hillary clinton was elected, and that they didn't sort of want to upset or play into the notions that candidate trump was saying about this being a rigged election. >> look, we didn't want to politicize things. there was concern about being perceived as putting or thumbs on the scales. we went to congressional leadership thinking if we could speak about one voice, that would de-politicize it. and we needed cooperation from election officials throughout the states to make sure the election systems themselves were
secured. one of the things that was shocking, when we went to the republican leadership on the hill, john brennan and others, they believed or said they believed that we were actually politicizing things, that there wasn't a threat, and that they weren't going to join us in issuing a sort of joint statement. so that was very, very disappointing. i think it might have made a difference, had we all been able to get on the same page early on. >> david, president trump is going after the obama administration. he says the real story is that president obama did nothing after being informed in august about russian meddling with four months, looking at russia and did not want to rock the boat. just from a political standpoint, how unprecedented is this finger pointing towards a former president? >> well, it's been continuous, hasn't it? going all the way back to how obama bugged him and we found that wasn't true.
listen, anderson, i think it's important to separate out, there are two different stories here, one is about president obama, the other is about president trump. it's legitimate question whether president obama acted properly. some democrats are saying he was too soft on the russians. but that's very different from the question of what donald trump is doing and that the fbi is doing. they're investigating was there meddling and was there collusion? and there's nothing in "the washington post" story that suggests there was absence of collusion. it's just not conclusive. but more importantly, what donald trump is doing is what we've seen him do before. and that is he discredits and diverts. it's a clear strategy. he's discrediting the whole special counsel investigation and everything that's gone on on this issue. and he's trying to divert attention away from the central questions, and that whether his
own team colluded, and we don't know that yet. we need to be cautious. but i think that president trump is entirely misleading us once again about the nature of reality. i mean, he for months said there was no meddling, nothing to be worried about, folks. today he says look at all this meddling and obama is responsible. >> we'll have to leave it there. more happening tonight. the supreme court allowing part of president trump's travel ban to take effect temporarily. the court will hear arguments in the case this fall. and there's confusion over who is allowed into the u.s. and who will be turned away. we'll sort out the details ahead.
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experience amazing at your lexus dealer. partial victory for president trump. the supreme court today is allowing parts of the president's travel ban to go into effect. they'll hear arguments on the case this fall. the ban is on six majority muslim nations. but it's unclear who exactly will be let in and who will be kept out. jessica schneider joins us now with more. >> part of the travel ban that goes into effect includes the foreign nationals from the six majority muslim countries. if the foreign nationals cannot prove they have a bona fide connection to a person in this
country, they can still be banned. but if you can prove a family connection here, proven admitted to university or have a job offer here, those people will be let in. the question amounts to, what exactly is the bona fide connection that will determine that. will this in fact create some of an onnerus thing for the travel officials. the question now becomes when does this go into effect. the trump administration has said that 72 hours from the court's decision, it will in fact take effect. we're not exactly clear when exactly the clock began running. however, the department of homeland security said that they will be giving clear and adequate notice to all travelers when this does in fact go into effect. the portions of it allowed by the supreme court. anderson? >> and this case, though, continues to the supreme court in the fall? >> right. it does. the supreme court said that yes,
it can go into effect in part. however, the arguments on the merits of this case as to whether or not it complies with immigration law, those arguments will be next term. so the supreme court will hear this. some watchers, some supreme court watchers are wondering, will this case even have any effect considering that the executive order says that immigrants would be banned for 90 days. refugees banned for 120 days. so the question is, that time will essentially have run by the time the supreme court will hear this case in the fall. so what exactly will the supreme court do? that remains to be seen as we approach october. >> jessica schneider, thank you for the update. jeffrey toobin, and neil represented hawaii. one of the states challenging the president's travel ban. neil, what's your reaction to the supreme court not only agreeing to hear the case, but ruling foreign nationals, some foreign nationals can in fact be
prevented from entering the u.s.? >> yeah, i was really surprised to hear president trump declare a unanimous victory today, because in reality, he lost 6-3. the supreme court let stand the district court's injunction blocking major sections of both his travel ban and his refugee ban. and to be sure, you know, some of the technical stuff about non-connected u.s. persons, the heart of the lawsuit that hawaii has brought has been -- remained intact by the supreme court today. we're very much looking forward to oral arguments in october. >> jeff, is that how you see it? >> not really. you know, this has been an un-ending series of defeats for the president in the lower courts. he did get all nine justices, liberals and conservatives alike, to let some of the travel ban, this executive order go into effect. neil is right that a lot of the individuals who brought these cases, the people who wanted
their in-laws to be allowed in, the students, the business people with job offers, they are not covered by it. but this was a heck of a lot better than donald trump has been doing. and he has three justices who wanted to uphold the whole executive order. and who look like certain votes once the case comes to be argued in the fall. so i can understand, you know, why neil says what he says, but i also think the president was right, that he did have a unanimous ruling on part of it in his favor. >> well, jeff is certainly right that there was a kind of -- that the president won something today, unlike all of his times in the lower courts. that's such a low bar. i think the most important thing to understand is that, you know, i don't know of any president in u.s. history in the first 150 days has had this number of federal court injunctions upheld by the u.s. supreme court. you can look over the 200-plus
years of american history, you won't find that. yes, jeff's absolutely right. he got three justices. three. it takes five to get a majority. he didn't get that. i think that's a pretty telling sign that what president trump has done here is really aberrational. >> jeff, to your point, the court said the travel ban could not be imposed on anybody who had a credible claim with a bona fide connection to someone here in the united states, a job offer or relatives here. how is that actually going to be worked out? i mean, is it -- it seems like a difficult thing to kind of figure out for those who already have visas coming here. >> it might be difficult at the margins. but remember, immigration officials do this kind of thing for a living. they make value judgments about people's fitness to be in the united states. and it is not all that complicated to see if someone has been admitted to a university, who has a job offer,
who has a close relative. i am sure there will be cases that wind up in court. but it is also true, i think, that the court gave reasonably clear instructions to the lower courts in how to determine who should get in and who shouldn't. >> neil, the fact that the court allowed some parts of the ban to move forward, does that give you any indication when the supreme court hears it in october? >> i don't think it gives much of an indication with respect to that. what they left in and allow the president to do is a very, very narrow slice. they rejected the trump administration's request to limit the injunctions only to the individual plaintiffs. instead, they said if there's someone like the individual plaintiffs, that's fine. most notably, on the refugee part, they said you don't have to be a close relative, slong you have a connection to an entity in the united states, that's enough. all the refugees in the pipeline right now do have that. remember, this order is only supposed to last 120 days. all the folks, the refugees
swept up by that order do have the u.s. connection. so, you know, at the margins, jeff is right, there will be a few people like tourists from somalia and yemen who have no connection to the united states. the order goes into effect with respect to them. i don't know if that's a class of zero or one or something like that, but not something that the president is doing that it's going to change the national security apparatus and keep the country safe and all that. >> thank you. next, more republican voices weighing in against the gop senate obamacare replacement. sorry about the holdup, folks. we have some congestion on the runway and i'm being told it'll be another 15, maybe 20 minutes, and we will have you on your way. ♪ runway models on the runway? surprising. what's not surprising?
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confirmed hillary clinton's campaign, the dnc, they paid for the research that became the fake news, the antitrust dossier. they've been lying to you for a year. never troubler senators, they are lashing out at the president, these senators seem to be more interested in attacking the president they and they are in serving you, the american people, the forgotten men and women in this country. they need to move. anyway, we've got all of that intimates breaking news opening monologue and part two of our ivanka interview. we've made more progress in the last 24 hours with new information and breaking news. tonight, i'm going to go through all of this very, very slowly. the media has been lying to you. they've been entirely wrong for almost a year. that it relates to the real russia story. you don't want to miss a minute of tonight's program.
role with uranium one. bill clinton tried to get state department permission. remember, his wife was running this, to meet with the russian nuclear official while the writing one deal was being approved by the obama administration. we can't forget just before the deal, what did bill get? he pocketed half a million dollars in a speech in moscow. that was double his normal speaking fee. he was advocating for uranium one. he sat down with vladimir putin. one other point, this is important. you want to talk about a real russian conspiracy theory? listen to this. the bank that was paying bill clinton -- when you pay attention to this -- that bank was connected to putin and that bank had financial interest in uranium one. there's more. according to a "the hill" report, after hillary clinton became secretary of state, russian spies purposely tried to gain access to hillary, her top aides in the former president, bill clinton. one russian spy who was
successful actually got a job with a major democratic donor and actually was arrested and deported. there's peter schweizer's book, the first to bring that to attention -- it exposed how $145 million in donations poured into the clinton foundation. while hillary was secretary of state. while she was approving the uranium one deal. this is what people all across this country and all of you corrupt people in the media -- you should all be angry about this tonight. because of all of the evidence of wrongdoing earlier today, finally -- finally -- prayers answered. house republicans announced that key committees will finally be launching investigations into this corrupt bribery uranium one kickback deal. take a look. >> we do have a witness who is a confidential informant, who wants to talk about his role in this. we are in contact with the
justice department to release him from a nondisclosure agreement. if that does not work out in a timely fashion, we obviously would be able to subpoena him. on the oversight committee, particularly my subcommittee, we will be focusing on how the inner agency focused on this. >> i've raised these objections with the treasury secretary saying that it would be fully investigated. obviously, we want to see what happened to that inquiry. what they knew then, why they acted or did not act and in the context -- >> our job is to get the facts, from the legislative branch of government. we will do just that. it's. >> sean: here's my prediction tonight. people will be going to jail over this. it's something we've been calling for for weeks, months, even over a year. the house is also launching an investigation into how the obama department of justice, how the fbi handled hillary clinton's email server case. i've got to say, it's about time. the evidence of wrongdoing in both of these massive scandals
is overwhelming. it's incontrovertible. if it's our security at risk. as we've been saying for months, congress had a duty, a moral obligation. we can't have a dual justice system. they must investigate these scandals fully and they must uncover the truth of what actually happened. how is it possible -- how -- that they never recognized giving vladimir putin in the russians 20% of our uranium, the foundational material to nuclear weapons -- a hostile actor, is a good idea? with uranium one, congress literally can start by calling on key obama administration officials. eric holder, rod rosenstein and yes, robert mueller, i hope you are watching. you need to testify under oath. i will tell you why. eric holder had oversight over the fbi. he was a member of the government committee that actually approved uranium one but yet they had all this evidence of corruption and bribery. he clearly had the information and then there's deputy attorney
general rod rosenstein. he was in charge of the fbi investigation into this russian bribery and money laundering scandal. finally, special counsel robert mueller. back in 2009, he was the fbi director. this was when the bureau, the fbi so clearly had this information. he had conflicts of interest. there's no way the american people can trust robert mueller to investigate anything russian related. to be fair and impartial, it's impossible because of his past role in this. he should resign immediately tonight. also, the house tonight is also going to be investigating the obama department of justice in the fbi's handling of the clinton email server scandal. all happening tonight. aside from clinton having top-secret special access program, classified information, mishandled a felony on her server, the one stored in the bathroom of a mom and pop shop?
the house will be looking into the former fbi director, which they should. james comey. it's inexcusable conduct. you may remember he drafted the letter exonerating hillary clinton. before actor conducting the interview with keyed witnesses including hillary clinton herself. he also abused his power when he announced he was not recommending charges against clinton. he never had that authority. then we have the attorney general, former attorney general loretta lynch. the tarmac meeting with bill clinton? days before comey's decision. like we've been saying, it's about time. these are all serious issues. they only to be investigated fully and those involved need to be held accountable. we are also learning tonight that we were right about the gps fusion dossier. tonight, even "the washington post" has to finally begin to report what we have been telling you forever. according to "the washington post" tonight, i left about a quote them, hillary clinton's campaign and the dnc
paid for that phony research that eventually became the dossier. that's the same document that used russian government paid sources and made it wild and completely untrue and ridiculous accusations about donald trump. remember, the democrats, media, they were happy to repeat -- for example, donald trump was in the ritz in moscow and he had hookers urinating in his bed. all of this makes the day campaign and the dnc complicit in spreading russian propaganda and brush and lies about ten candidate donald trump. if they are spreading this russian propaganda, they've been lying to you, the american people, using phony russian-american sources. this line has gone on for over a year. this is a real rush of collusion. the real russia story. robert mueller, wake up tonight. fox news has also confirmed the
information is correct. in other words, we've been right for over a year. we want to point out another part of the washington. it was funded by an unknown republican client during the g.o.p. primary. this was before the dnc and hillary clinton's campaign to cover. okay, i want to know, who is that? was it one of the other candidates? senator mccain who reportedly gave it to the fbi? who is behind this? we need answers. it was mccain. he said he passed this dossier around. we want to wonder if this new information is the reason why the group behind the dossier --r bank records? follow the money. all of the mainstream media, they fell hook, line, sinker. her russian disinformation lying campaign to the american people
during an election. the democrats, hillary clinton, they all lied to you for over a year. keep in mind, there is a report. james comey -- he tried to pay christopher steele, the former british spy, to put this whole dossier together. predictably, the new dnc chairman, tom perez -- "i didn't do this." he is denying he had any personal involvement with the dossier. you will hear a lot more of those denials in the days to come. we will continue to follow that story. a very important report. pathetic, weak, gutless, spineless never trumper forces all lashing out against the president today. senators bob corker, little snowflake whiny jeff flake and john mccain all bashing the president instead of doing what, focusing on passing tax reform. the forgotten men and women in poverty, on food stamps, and out of work. take a look.
>> i was hoping he would rise to the occasion as president. he's not risen to the occasion. it's very evident to me. it's obvious his political model and governing model is to divide. it's a sad place from my perspective, for our nation. it's just going to be a cold the basing of our nation. >> the degradation of our politics in our executive branch or normal? reckless, outrageous, and undignified behavior. it's become excused as "telling it like it is, a notion we should say or do nothing in the face of such material behavior is a historic and i believe profoundly misguided. no criticism of the president or that we are to stand by the president right or wrong is not only unpatriotic and servile, but it's morally treasonable to
the american public. >> when this is reviewed, it will be one of honor, brilliance, and patriotism and love of country. >> sean: here is a simple truth, all three of these guys are inapt, ineffective, they have completely failed to deliver on the promises that they made to their constituents and cucumber the american people, for years. these guys have accomplished nothing. others like bedfast, too. they are standing in the way of enacting an agenda to help move the country forward. what the people voted for last november. they are trying to be martyrs in the process. you want to be martyrs? go right ahead. good riddance, happy trails, don't let the door hit you on the way out of town. before his little stunt on the senate floor, senator flake announced he was not going to be running for reelection in 2018. here's part of the truth he. flake is trying to say his
decision is all about president trump. here's the truth, because he lied today. at least, he's not choosing to run again because back in august, flake had an 18% approval rating among voters in arizona. another poll showed he was losing to his primary challenger who would have crushed flake in a primary, how do you have courage to run. then you have bob corker, he's done nothing but attacked the president for weeks. bob corker, he's stepping aside. he is not running again because he would have lost in tennessee. i have a suggestion, for all you never-trumper senators, guess what? take your other colleagues with you. mitch mcconnell, good-bye. ben socks, good-bye. lisa murkowski, susan collins, either get the job done that you promised the american people, advance the president's agenda,
what other conservative values but the president is advocating for that you are unwilling to support? many of you can retire and we will all be happier. the difference between president trump and the senators, the president is a fighter. he is fighting for he believes in. i like somebody fighting for the american people. he's also somebody keeping his word. the senate has done next to nothing to help the president keep his promises or help the american people or help the forgotten men and women in poverty, on food stamps, and out of work. look at these statistics. the senate has confirmed in about a year, since january, only 175 of president trump civilian nominees, 229 have yet to be confirmed. how many vacations have these guys taken? during similar time frame, president obama -- over twice as much confirmed. listen to this, through
september of this year, the house of representatives, i had disagreements with them at times, at least they do their job. they passed 308 bills that originated in that chamber and over those 308 bills that the house of representatives passed, the senate has passed 34. beyond embarrassment. beyond a disgrace. these guides are the definition of failure. the poster children of failure. senate republicans are no longer serving the american people. so you know what, senator flake? good-bye. senator corker, see you later. time to drain the swamp. if republicans don't back this agenda, tax reform, repealing and replacing, they need to get out of the way or resign or retire or do something. you know what? the only reason these people are saying they are not running is because they know they can't win. for all you never-trumper errors, they happen to be donald trump's accomplishments.
real, tangible, promises made, promises kept. what have you never-trumpers died in that amount of time? the answers are simple, you've done nothing other than help the democrats obstruct the president at every single term. enough is enough. we will have a lot more in all this breaking news. i promise you, you don't want to miss a minute of any of this. when we come back, the heroes, investigative reporters have been exposing the truth and standing alone and thinking hard. john solomon, sara carter. plus, victoria toensing is the attorney for that fbi informant who is at the center for exposing this uranium one scandal. we've got all of that, sebastian gorka, part two of our interview with ivanka. at that and much more. yeah, she does purr!
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informant. here's the reaction of people that deserve a lot of recut crr digging into this report. john solomon, sara carter and the attorney i would never want to go up against, victoria toensing. your client, this informant -- the guy that has evidence, emails, documents, tape recordings approved bribery, extortion, money laundering, et cetera -- he has details of e exact plans to bribe the clinton's, it was all by design? >> not going into detail, he will give an overview and specific conversations he had with russians and what they were thinking about the money they were spending, let me be that general. >> sean: i have too much respect for you over the years
to push too hard on this. let me start with the broader question for sarah sara and jo. in terms of the degree for scandal, sara, you know this informant. you've spoken to them. you know what he has. >> let me clarify, i do know they informant. i don't know everything he has because some of it is considered classified, sean. i'm not privy to that classified information. and he's got the nondisclosure agreement. with the judiciary in the same with the department of justice, i hopefully think this will lead to an investigation that will expose and finally for once tell the american people and congress what actually happened with the
uranium one deal, how far the russians, in the connections they made. that's going to be imperative. there's so much there. it's like we've unraveled a threat and it just doesn't stop on grappling. i think the momentum needs to be kept up, sean. people need to continue to look into this. we need to continue the investigation and we need to see where it leads, wherever it leads. this is probably one of the most significant stories we told in a long time. >> sean: john, i will ask you. the fbi knew in 2009 and 2010? before this uranium one deal is done? they had evidence, a lot of it, including tapes and emails and documents and an fbi informant. they still had this deal, knowing this was going on because of vladimir putin, a hostile actor. russia, russia, russia for a year.
they wanted to get in the market on america's uranium and the sad thing is, they succeeded. >> if you let me do a little reporting -- victoria and i talked, she was able to confirm that her client has information that director mueller and president obama and other officials were briefed on this investigation in real time as it was going on. that's the first time we heard that. maybe she can answer a little bit more on the show? >> sean: victoria? >> my client was told this information. they were very specific. they said the briefing made it into president obama's daily briefing papers. i don't think they made that up. >> sean: mueller, rosenstein, maybe even comey at the time. they all knew that they had all
this evidence that the russians had infiltrated with the purpose -- a criminal enterprise to corner the market on uranium, the foundational material for nuclear weapons? >> that is correct. >> sean: sara, you are shaking your head yes? that's possible and mueller is involving anything involved with russia, how is that possible? >> sean, this cries out for a special counsel. i don't see how this can continue on. congressional committees are fine. this really -- this is a criminal investigation. jeff sessions isn't ever going to feel comfortable coordinating that. rod rosenstein is recused. >> sean: who does the special counsel? >> jeff sessions can appoint a special counsel. he's just not going to be comfortable doing this. he ought to get somebody in here and get this off their hands. >> sean: sara? >> i agree with victoria.
there's only so far that many of us can go, particularly with this type of investigation. especially when it goes into territory that's classified. i think a special counsel can do that. it can look into a lot of these issues, oversight can take a look at, senator grassley has been tremendous as well. as far as asking the right questions and moving forward. i think a special counsel as victoria suggested, that's something been hearing from sources. something jeff sessions can move forward with. >> sean: john, let's go into the new information. now the investigation, they allow the visas to individuals they know is involved with this, how can that happen? >> you may not grant a visa to someone you know it has engaged in criminal conduct. there's a section that says if you know they are involved in money-laundering. we know the russian nuclear official that was eventually indicted was involved in money
laundering. a kickback and money laundering scheme. in 2011. according to court records. not according to the numbness sources. even though he was involved in a criminal conspiracy. i think that's why these questions are surfacing. >> sean: to let people know how hard you've been working, you guys have known this evidence has existed for over a year, correct? or suspected. >> about four or five months for me, personally. >> yep. right about the same time. a little bit longer. yes. >> sean: the dnc and the rusted dossier, sara, i am trying to understand this. now we have confirmation that the dnc and hillary clinton's lawyer paid -- they lied to us for a year -- outright lied to us -- . >> they didn't want to admit it right? they didn't want the information to be revealed and then we find
out in april 2016, the dnc and clinton campaign refunding the dossier. sean, i was talking to sources that deal with russian intelligence. u.s. sources that deal with the russians often. the minute christopher seale started talking to the kgb, former kgb agency and started dg into president trump, they knewo was funding it and they used it for this information. what's interesting here is that actually, the democrats may be unknowingly were actually funding a disinformation campaign by the russians. that's astonishing. >> sean: this propaganda campaign, this disinformation campaign, lying. let's call it what it is. paying russians for phony stories and everything else -- both of you have come under a lot of fire for your reporting. tonight in many ways is only the
beginning of a vindication i've been predicting has been coming. victoria, great job. i'm glad that your client pick the right person. i've known you for many years. you are tough. i would not want to go against you in a courtroom. we will have you guys back on tomorrow night. thank you for being with us. we appreciate it. we have a lot more to come tonight. more breaking news. sebastian gorka and gregg jarrett will react to these more explosive details with uranium one and the rusted dossier. we will have part two of our interview, the personal side, of ivanka trump. a straight ahead. ♪
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visit esd.ny.gov. >> sean: welcome back to "hannity." we are following major breaking news. "the washington post" first reporting and fox news confirming that clinton in the dnc they -- after lying for a year -- helped finance the research for that fake news anti-trump dossier. also breaking minutes ago, hillary clinton's former spokesperson brian fallon -- they are racing, perez is the first. i didn't know about christopher steele's hiring during preelection. if i had, i would have volunteered to go to europe and try to help him. oh, really? joining us now, former deputy assistant to the president, sebastian gorka. fox news legal analyst gregg jarrett. what i always love about you
it's you always come with research on everything. if you start where you want. uranium one, the dossier. >> the confidential informant cannot be gagged. the u.s. supreme court -- >> sean: but he has been gagged. it's a nondisclosure. >> it does not prevent him from speaking to congress. the u.s. supreme court said so. you cannot gagged a witness when congress wants to talk. >> sean: this is why i love gregg jarrett, for all of you at home. he knows his stuff. keep going keep going. >> the clinton dossier. what strikes me is that christopher steele went to moscow and talk to the kremlin and gathered false evidence. >> sean: he paid for it? >> yeah. the victim is the president of the united states. hillary clinton's campaign and the dnc -- it was apparently paying for this. propaganda. >> sean: lies, disinformation, from the russians during the
campaign. oh, robert mueller. are you awake tonight? >> if there is collusion, it's hillary-russia collusion. not trump-russia collusion. >> sean: i've been predicting this, this massive boomerang for a long time. i've known a lot of this evidence was out there and it was all coming. i've been telling my audience. it's coming, it's coming. now the floodgates are open, if you will. >> it's the last scene from that great tom clancy movie, "the hunt for red october." it comes back and sinks his own vessel. that's what the russian collusion story has done for the dnc and for hillary. let's stop using the word collusion because the evidence we now have is about subversion, it's about sabotaging the political process and it's about propaganda. in the cold war, the soviet union will be used what was called active measures to
undermine our democracy. this is the democrat party, the hillary campaign using active measures to undermine donald trump and the democratic process in america. it's a shocking story. >> what really stinks here is mueller, rosenstein, andrew wiseman and james comey. they appear to have covered it all up, the uranium one deal, racketeering scheme with the russians. and money paid to hillary clinton. and a sleeper agent getting close to clinton. they never notified congress. they had a legal duty to notify congress. congress would have stopped the sale -- >> sean: why would you ever -- especially in light of everything the media and democrats have been saying about hostile actors, vladimir putin -- who in their right mind would give vladimir putin 20% of america's uranium and all the money that floats back, it stunk to high heavens from day one.
>> universality of the russians. plutonium and uranium. which which you make nuclear weapons. 1200 strategic nuclear weapons aimed at us right this minute. we are supplying them? the nuclear material? >> sean: they all signed off on it and all this money flies back to them. dr. gorka. >> the destruction of evidence, the gag order, that's bad in and of itself. the fact is, these people that are supposed to be investigating this administration that has done nothing wrong, they were complicit. hillary clinton approved this deal. they are making a big deal about $100,000 worth of facebook ads by russia. half of which occurred after the election. this is not $100,000 worth of ads. this is stuff to make nuclear weapons, being given to
vladimir putin. can we ingest the enormity of what we are talking about now? this is a massive scandal. >> sean: dr. gorka, i've said and i will stand by this, they sold out america's national security. >> yes, absolutely. >> sean: there so much more to come. let's talk about potential crimes. >> jeff sessions who recused himself, you may recall, in his confirmation hearing from anything related to hillary clinton -- he said it not once or twice but three times -- he can still appoint a special counsel to investigate hillary clinton over uranium one, her interference on behalf of ubs, the irs, and received an enormous amount of money for bill clinton and their foundation. that can all be subject to a special counsel investigation. while you are at it, let's throw in the email case.
to me, as a lawyer, it's a clear case of violation of the espionage act. >> sean: deleting, breaking up -- >> 110 counts based on 110 classified documents. >> sean: i want to go back, dr. gorka, bill clinton wanted to ask his wife's own state department -- russian nuclear officials, meeting with them. that's insane. double a speaking fee. being paid by a bank that has a financial interest in uranium uranium one. then he wants to meet with vladimir putin and his wife signs off on the deal. and then the $145 million kickback. what other evidence do you need to know that they were not putting the security of this country as their first priority? >> you don't need it. 108 emails, highest level classification on the private
server. we expect this from the clintons. the most corrupt political clan and modern american history. the issue is how the establishment dealt with it under the obama administration. how somebody who was a suspect in that investigation was allowed to be the counsel for hillary clinton. how the blackberries were destroyed and how the laptops that the fbi had were also destroyed by the fbi government. that's a banana republic. you would have to be fired and right now, e.g. sessions has to have a national security -- >> sean: this is not a game anymore, the attorney general needs to wake up now. holder, clinton, mueller, rosenstein. they all knew in 2009. they approved the deal, gregg. >> holder actually sat on the
committee if you can believe that. >> sean: he was the one that signed off. one of the nine. >> hillary clinton presides over at. >> sean: guys, we will have you back tomorrow too. we will continue this investigation. we are not going to stop. part two of our exclusive interview with the first daughter, ivanka trump. she talks about how she responds to the vicious attacks from the left. you know who likes to be in control? this guy. check it out! self-appendectomy!
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>> sean: as we continue on this breaking news night tonight on "hannity," yesterday i sat down with one of the first daughters. advisor to the president, ivanka trump. for an exclusive interview. i asked ivanka how she felt about the mainstream media and their vicious, unprecedented attack on her, her father, and the entire trump family. take a look. it was interesting, jimmy carter even said he never witnessed any president take as much heat as your dad. but also the family. you've been attacked, melania, your little brother has been attacked. don and eric, i don't care about them. >> [laughs] they are really tough. >> sean: they can handle themselves. certain unfairness. >> they give it out as well. >> sean: donned in particular. >> they punch back. >> sean: some of it is
personal and mean. how do you deal with that? >> you feel it. i would be disingenuous if i said it did not affect me. but i think at the end of the day, the real people suffering in this country are not me and my family. we can take it. it's the millions of americans we saw across this country who are addicted to opioids or who have lost a child to opioid abuse. who have lost their job because their industry can no longer be competitive. there are people who are really suffering. if we have to take a few body blows and advocating for those men and women, i think everyone in my family and everyone in this administration is honored to do it. >> sean: that's a great answer answer. even in this little business i am in, i take a few hits, too.
more than my fair share. >> [laughs] >> sean: i want to ask you -- this was a very important point. one of my biggest complaints about people in d.c. is that they are not there to serve. they do not work hard enough for the people that elected them or put them there. if you work in the house that your dad now lives in, to me, i think that's one of the great honors in life, that you have the opportunity. >> the day i don't get chills walking into the white house -- every day. every day. there's a sense of awe as to what has transpired and what has been accomplished in those hole holes. you should always remember it and always feel it and always respect it. yeah, washington is a complicated place. >> sean: blood sport. >> i care a lot about ideas. i care much less and this maybe
makes me a pragmatist but i care less about who came up with the idea and who originated the idea and more about the idea itself. and good ideas. ideas that support this country. and its citizens. it's a complicated city. i was joking earlier today that you leave washington and you feel rejuvenated. it [laughs] it's nice to be here. >> sean: do go hunting with her brothers? >> i don't go hunting with my brothers. i'm not a good hunter at all. they say i have a good shot. they at least tell me. it's beginners luck. >> sean: you said something the other day and i thought this should be the attitude of anybody that serves in the administration. it's a team, it's her father that got elected and it's his
agenda, to serve him so he can serve people. >> 100%. he was elected by the american people. to the privilege of serving this great country. i was not. i am there to support the agenda and areas i feel i can added value and that i am passionate about. it doesn't mean i am not my own person and that i don't share my opinion. i am also cognizant that he's given me the privilege to think about how i can move barriers. particularly when i think about women entrepreneurs, women of the workforce. supporting the american family, job creation, these are things i'm deeply passionate about. workforce development. a skills training. i feel blessed. i feel very lucky he's given me the opportunity to do that. people that make it about themselves in their own agenda, there's a lot of opportunism in washington.
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that the president has been acid wously denying for more than a year now, that there was a in fact a major russian operation to interfere in the 2016 u.s. election. and, you know, the intelligence community has been saying for a year now that they have high confidence that that is the case. and here you have the u.s. department of justice and a grant ju grand jury saying they can prove that beyond a reasonable doubt in a court of law, using admissible evidence. and that, you know, is a rod rosenstein today was extremely careful not to offend the president and make sure that no americans were witting participants in this plot. but that is a remarkable factual repudiation of the entire
he was very careful to stay within what is alleged in the indictment. but he did make a point on several occasions of saying that no americans are accused of participation in this. and i do think that was probably aimed at the president in a fashion that allows the president at least until such a time as there is an allegation of collusion, to say this has really very little to do with me. on the other hand, it's very hard to read this indictment and not think it has something to do with donald trump because the indictment is an allegation of a significant russian conspiracy to defraud multiple u.s. regulatory agencies, including the federal election commission and the justice department in order to fool americans to the
advantage or donald trump and the disadvantage of hillary clinton. as concerned as donald trump and as concerned as he is about the appearance that he had help in the election, all the rod rosensteins saying there's no allegation of witting u.s. involvement in this will not erase the top line from this, which is, you know, the premise is true, there really was a russian is conspiracy to affect the election to the advantage of donald trump. >> ben, the indictment names three different trump campaign officials. do we -- and as you and i are in agreement that deputy tone general rosenstein was making abundantly clear that these indictments today do not allege
that initiate on the trump campaign wittingly engaged. but we're giving persons one, two, and three. are you giving any suspicions that there are people cooperating with bob mueller, like george popadopoulos, or carter page, or could they be three people we have never talked about? >> either is possible. and i don't know. but i do think, you know--i do think as you said earlier that it is possible to read a little bit too much into the unwitting language here. indictments generally don't allege things that they're not prepared yet to prove, and something that is not an allegation of any witting collaboration of anyone on the trump campaign, doesn't mean one won't materialize over time. moreover, it's really important
to emphasize that this operation described in this indictment is not the hacking operation. so usually when we think of russian intervention in the election, and interference in the election, we're thinking of stolen emails, right? and those are the subject of, for example, the trump tower meeting, the, you know, the george popadopoulos saying, you know, hearing that there's dirt on hillary, right, these are references, at least we assume to emails that have been per loined by russian hackers. that is not the subject of this indictment. so this is a completely separate set of operations that allegedly involves these troll farms and these influence operations. so i don't think in any sense it precludes a collusion allegation, and i think it would be very hasty of people who were inclined to defend the president
to assume that there's any vindication in the absence of such an allegation here. >> thank you very much, and to viewers just tuning in and learning of sock puppets and troll farms, perhaps someday we'll have a chance to pull back and list these new definitions that are new to the american lexicon, i for one, can't wait to find out what they grow at these troll farms and could i bring my family to one? are they within driving distance of the new york metropolitan area. two pieces of business, number one, let me show you air force one on a rainy tarmac that those of a certain age will always call andrews air force base, rather than it's clunk i can new name of air force base andrews. you know what happens, the helicopter lifts off from the white house, nicole, seven minutes by air?
>> beautiful ride, you get to peek very closely at the washington monument, you go over the pentagon and you land about 7 to 10 minutes. >> 7 to 10 minutes, it will land and the president will walk from the chopper to the plane and will be air lifted to florida where the weather is more beautiful. >> something to keep in mind as we talk to bigger and bigger brain brains. >> he has tweeted that russian collusion was a hoax dozens of time, i'm sure someone can get us a better count than that. what i'm on the lookout for is for trump to look for arrest firmati fi affirmation from his circle of
pals, sean hannity and others, i'm right, right? >> a good day in america. >> and we have to always keep in mind that what's happening in washington is relatively unprecedented, in that you used to use the white house briefing room, the podium to speak to the world, you used to use the doj podium to speak to the world, about blowing up a big drug ring, about blowing up a big crime ring, terrorism. all these podiums are being used by one man and that's donald trump. we can talk about the legal significance and what it all means, but what e's going to happen on that airplane and what's happening in the helicopter and what's happening on donald trump's device is that this is a good day for him. >> ylet me just read something,
this is a report from the pool reporter on the south lawn at the white house, you're going to see the camera lens trying to pick up the first pictures of air force one there in the air, they're aloft and en route to andrews. president left the oval office at 3:04 p.m. eastern time, that's ten minutes away, we should be seeing the chopper, walk to air force one without the reporters assembled. he seemed to say something we couldn't hear over the rotor noise of the helicopter, he said something about russia and affairs with women. marine one airborne at 3:09, so that was roughly six minutes ago. matt miller has just joined our conversation, chief justice department spokesperson, matt, we have yet to get to you, what stuck out to you? >> let me pick up on this --
>> let me interrupt you as soon as i introduce to you, this is tape, but this is what we just watched transpire on the south lawn. >> mr. president, will you punish russia? >> will you put sanctions on russia? nothing on russia mr. president? >> well, he gave a thumbs-up. >> it's the same person who jokingly said join us for tea at the end of that. the first of two helicopters landing at the front end of air force one. three in all, though, those are different. that last helicopter is a
variant of the blackhawk, the first two are the standard secorsky's. this will be the last video we'll see of president trump going to florida. matt miller, please continue, i apologize. >> i wanted to pick up on this question that nicole asked about why rod rosenstein held this press conference today and why he used the d.c. oj podium. i think it's important, we have seen the white house come under a great deal of pressure, under attack by the president recently. i think he also held this press conference to talk to the american people and tell them two things, one russian interference is not a hocax. you see this in the indictment, but it's important to have not just bob mueller through papers filed with the court, but to his boss rod rosenstein, he's a republican who was appointed by this president. him standing up and putting his reputation behind it.
and two, rod rosenstein for the first time in this investigation, this hasn't happened, either the times they have announced indictments and putting his endorsement behind bob mueller. this is rod rosenstein's way of saying this investigation is getting results, it's showing fruit and i think it should be allowed to continue. this is an endorsement of that work by rod rosenstein, at a time when we have seen so many attacks on the president both from inside and outside the white house. >> i'm going through a lot of the reporting that i have seen in the hours since the rosenstein press conference, so much of this needs to be thought about and hashed out. here's a sub head from daily beast. kellyanne conway and donald trump jr. pushed messages from an account operated from russia's troll farm including allegations of voter fraud a
week before election day. this is just one headline as some of our colleagues wade through all of this, we have heard this at our own table today from nicole and ari and jill and the volume of information to wade through in this indictment is staggering. >> yeah, there's an extraordinary amount of information in this indictment and it's going to take some time to follow all the leads from a public standpoint that it produces, of course bob mewinger is already following all of them in secret as he suggests his investigation. i think that would be a sign, kellyanne conway tweeting this information of the kind of unwitting sup fort and unwitting actions that this indictment speaks to, they're speaking specifically in the indictment of the three campaign officials who appeared to interact unknowingly with russians. this was undoubtedly a conspiracy, it was a conspiracy to defraud the united states and to interfere in our elections
and some of the conspirators are named and some are not. so the question over the coming months are going to be, that kellyanne conway tweet looks like an unwitting interaction. but was there still americans in on the conspiracy, that's a question that has yet to be unanswered. >> the marine pilots have taxied the helicopter to a halt. the door will be opened both fore and aft. the president tweeted, russia started their campaign in 2015, long before i announced that i would run for president. the results of the election were not impacted. the trump campaign did nothing wrong. and a message we have heard from him before, to wrap this up. no collusion. ari melber, your off the cuff
reaction to reading that as we watch the scene at andrews? >> it's an extraordinary admission from the president of the united states from bob mueller of something that he has publicly denied, counter factual to the law, to the evidence, to his own appointees for what is now years. it is a remarkable statement, it is a statement made under pressure and during rez. it is not a legally significant statement because the president can state his opinions however he wants, brian, but we are witnessing as we watch the pageantry of the president's motions, the movement here, we watch in the newsroom, we're witnessing the american system asserting itself and working, i would say it this way and i don't mean to sound rude, but donald trump just coughed up a fact that's been very difficult for him to admit. >> but he says here no collusion. >> and he has ever right to continue make his legal defense. the big difference, brian, between no collusion and no
meddling is no collusion is up for debate, and we will see where the facts lead because it's under probe. no meddling was one of the most concerning statements we have had a parade of national security experts and the president's own appointees reput that. so the system is working because the facts are being pushed out there by the indictment, by the evidence an now the president having to close that circle. so that's striking. >> here's the president walking down the steps of a marine corps aircraft and this is the usual handoff that takes place. he is walking with an air force escort because he's now in the hands of a different branch of the service and that is the u.s. air force. we will turn and go up the steps to air force one. there's a small press corps out at andrews, questions cannot be heard over the jet noise. president very rarely comes over to a rope line in this situation. preferring instead on this wet
and rainy day to go up the stairs, into air force one for the flight to florida. joe winebanks, same question to you. >> i was struck exactly by what ari said, which was this is the first admission by the president that the russians did meddle. but i also want to go back to something that ben said, which was about the collusion, and there are two different collusions, there's the hacking of the dnc emails and then there's what we had an indictment on today. and the second that we could have paper ballots, i want to remind us that that led to hanging chads and to a contested election. so i'm not sure going back to hanging chads is the answer. but i think that we now have evidence of collusion on two different fronts because i think there has been, if we look at what the president has done in terms of the emails, which is
not the subject today, but look what he did? go ahead and get her missing emails, go ahead and get hillary's missing emails, he told wiwikileaks, go ahead and publish it. so we're seeing that form of collusion and what americans have to do to protect ourselveses and all of us who are new to social media, need to watch the sources that we are listening to on social media. >> among the bags that we just saw loaded on to the plane, the proof is that the president is for all of the marbles, the transfer of nuclear football when the helicopter lands prior to the helicopter taking off, the air stairs will now be rolled away and air force one will be on its way. the staff helicopter has arrived. you just saw chief of staff john kelly, there's the all clear from the ground controller, they are ordering the stairs back. everything is done with this kind of precision and pageantry every time our president goes anywhere.
back to the story at hand, as the front door is closed and the aircraft gets ready to taxi. ken delaney, our intelligence and national security reporter has been doing nothing but reading and rereading this document. ken, what should we know about that you have been able to see and tease out of this? >> well, i will get to that in a second, brian, i just wanted to make one point about the president's reaction to all of there, we have been talking about the political reaction, but also there's the geopolitical reaction. this is a covert action by the russian government to the united states. they didn't link it to the russian government because they didn't want to go into court and try to prove that. but this was a russian intelligence operation, with budget of a million dollars a month. they did things like hire actors for rallierallies, in addition
social media stuff we have known about for some time. normally you would expect the president of the united states have something to say about that, how is the country responding? what should we do with our adversary russia that has attacked us in this manner. we're sort of remarking on the fact is that he's finally now acknowledged clearly that there was some russian meddling. but no answer to the question of how will the u.s. government respond? we know from intelligence officials on the hill last week, that the russians are continuing to attack our democracy, what are we doing to respond to that? we have no answer. >> ken, underscore that point you just made, most americans are going to feel that we have been played, and most americans are going to have some sense of embarrassment, mixed with anger, that we were clearly played, this is all it took to get us to look elsewhere, to get us to think things we now know are false. >> the russians took advantage of the extreme partisan divisions in this country and
our elaborate social media structures to play us. we have known for a long time about the social media manipulation and we have known about the hacking of the dnc, which is not described in this indictment. we did not know that russians were actually coming to the united states under false identitie identities, gathering intelligence, interacting with americans, and we didn't know that they were using social media to set up rallies in swing states, in new york, in florida, in north carolina. in one case, the indictment talked about wiring money to build a cage, so an actor portraying hillary clinton in a prison uniform could appear. this is like something out of a drama of the americas rveg amer russian government paid for it right under our noses, a highly sophisticated intelligence operation and what is our response, brian? >> and what about the iceberg theory, about how much we can't see and what may be next?
>> could not agree with nicole wallace more on that. so we have now -- muleeller has now laid out a grand conspiracy of election meddling and that some americans participated in that in an unwilting fashion. but we know he's investigating vigorously as to whether anybody in the campaign participated willingly. one act that they did with the russians knowingly would change that. >> there's some poignancy and drama that the president is now taxiing down the run way at andrews air force base to go to his winter home in florida, perhaps even to visit the place where 17 souls lost their life in a mass casualty incident, a
mass shooting just this week. there he is all the machinery of the president traveling with him. and yet his presidency is in danger. and may be under existential threat. >> ken makes a great point that we are so accustomed to a style of reaction to the president to paraphrase a different president, the soft low expectations may be operative. it is a remarkable fact that should not escape us, but faced with his own acting attorney general, that these things happened, they targeted america, in an effort to defraud the united states, against our government, our institutions,
our democracy, the things we're supposed to agree on in this country, the things that are not a part of politics or ideology. the president says nothing about this. before you even get to policy, policy is a debate. he doesn't even speak to the problem of that, and he also failed to say something that most candidates throughout our histo history, when the kind of help that is offered is not legitimate. when you see people of hate who show up at a rally. he didn't say today if the russians were trying to help me as this indictment, as this evidence suggests, i don't want their help. he didn't say that. >> his silence speaks volumes. and i think it's something that we all ought to take note of. he should have said something, he didn't. and he also hasn't implemented the russian sanctions that have been voted by congress and we have to ask why?
is it connected to the fact that he did get help and is hoping for more help from them? that's another question that we need to an. >> it our friend clint watts, our former special agent with the joint terrorism task force has been with us and listening to our conversation. clint, i know you have strong feelings about what has happened on american soil that was caused by a foreign actor who just simply, for all the reasons ken delaney just listed, took advantage of our americanness, of our good nature, of our free press, of our social media and reached right into our election process. >> not only did they do, they came to us here in america, it sounds like from the indictment and they set up the system, they did reconnaissance, they set up some technical measures by which they could make it look like it was real americans, they stole real american i'd tdentities an they made other americans believe that they were americans
because they talked and looked like americans. and it's a whole new ball game, and not only does it undermine our democracy, which is the whole goal of russian actor measures, but it undermines our social media platforms. marine americans over this last year must wonder what i'm consuming on facebook, twitter, youtube, is this really what i think this is? is this a real person? is that a real american behind this and this hurts our american democracy and our way of life in a way we have not seen before. the question going forward is what is our government going to do about it. i know i have been researching this for four years, i've been talking about it for two and a half or three and at lots of public events and i haven't heard our government talk about
what we're going to do to preve prevent this in 2018. >> clint, this is no less creepy, especially to people of a certain age, of the idea that foreign nationals were in and around our country, operating as spies back in the era of world war ii, the kind of who can you trust? who do you purport to be? who are you really? it's just updated for the electronic age and twitter bots. >> that's right, and it's so much more effective today than it was long ago. >> clint watts, thank you very much, i want to read what has just come out from the white house. again, we have not received a briefing since tuesday. we may not until next tuesday. this has come out from the office of the press secretary and while we try to compile it into a graphic, i will read it for you. statement from the press secretary regarding the russia indictments. it's two paragraphs long. earlier today, deputy attorney general rod rosenstein announced indictments against 13 russian nationals and three russian entities for meddling in the 2016 presidential election, which began in 2014 before the president declared his candidacy. president donald j. trump has been fully briefed on this matter and is glad to see the special counsel's information further indicates that there was no collusion in capital letters, no collusion, between the trump campaign and russia, and that the outcome of the election was not changed or affected. that statement along with the capital letters will get a lot of attention as we go throughout the day. here is paragraph two. president trump says, quote, it
is more important than ever before to come together as americans. we cannot allow those seeking to sew confusion, discord and rancor to be successful. it's time we stop the outlandish partisan attacks, wild and false allegations and farfetched theories which only serve to further the agendas of bad actors like russia and do nothing to protect the principles of our institutions. we must unite as americans to protect the integrity of our democracy and our elections. that's the end of the statement. please note here, well, the presence of several phrases, wild and false allegations and far-fetched theories. among them, jill winebanks, a lot of people will define the entire indictment to be a
far-fetched theory in our current atmosphere. >> i can't believe that because the detail of it suggests that there is an insider that's cooperating. you cannot make up those details. you cannot disbelieve them. these are things dollar goingar have to be proved, whether the things happened the way they are stated in the indictment. h a not guilty verdict does not make you innocent, there may not be enough evidence to convict you, but it does not miean that you're innocent. and there was an american that pled to sharing information. and while it may sound i'm a fan
of daniel silva. anyone who reads it should be convinced that this is proof of collusion. >> to our viewers, you may note some new personalities around our table as we get ready for nicole wallace's broadcast coming up within the half hour, at 4:00 p.m. eastern, "deadline white house" as luck would have it an entire hour about this matter. danny, you have had a few hours to read and digest what we have seen, legal angle? >> there are two ways of looking at this, this is what we call in some ways a speaking indictment. so what's the motive? why indict a bunch of individuals that it's really not likely you'll ever get in the states to actually prosecute. what exactly is the mission then? is it to send out a message to get the word out and to make it
clear that, look, hey, america, if you've been wondering what we have been doing for all these past months, this is what we're doing, it's sort of their free opportunity to put out there some allegations that they may never really have to prove, because they may never get any of these defendants within their jurisdiction or get their hands on them to prosecute them. the other thing it does and i know this has been said in a few different ways, but it does establish, that american citizens, not a congressional investigation, but american, you would imagine dispassionate, not interested citizens sitting on a grand jury were convinced by a prosecutor, and admittedly, grand jurys are one sided affairs, but it does represent a citizen's interpretation of the evidence and this indictment is a product of that. so this is something to consider going forward. on the other hand, the white house, what they're saying essentially is that there was
russian involvement, but the fact that there isn't anybody named here, implies that we had nothing to do with it. because if there was anything, they would have indicted us. which is not that bad of an analysis. >> and you'll notice to our viewers that according to the expertise of all of our guests, everyone is stringing out different messages from this, malcolm nance, our intelligence expert was saying that what this does is expose a huge data mining operation on the part of the united states once we had reason to believe that bad actors were interfering in our election process. a u.s. data collection operation that included st. pepetersburst russia, but was hardly limited to st. petersburg in russia. we are also joined at this hour by richard painter, former white house ethics lawyer under george w. bush.
counselor, it's been a long time since we spoke, your reaction to what we're covering this afternoon. >> what we see here in the indictment is the social media side of the russia investigation. this is entirely different from the computer hacking side and we have yet to hear from bob mueller on that. the social media side of the russian operation took advantage of a very disturbing trend in american politics. identity politics where people identify with a particular ethnic group or religion, here it's white christians who feel threatened by nonwhites, by nonchristians, and the russians were aware of this identity politics, in american politics, they took advantage of this and they bought these facebook pages and engaged in social media operations, crimeinally to stir up these rallies, to stir up had
tre hatred, and against hillary clinton. this is what happens when people don't see themselves first as americans and where people want to blame their problems on others in our community. the best way to protect ourselves with the russians is first trust our fbi and our cia not to undermine our national security apparatus and move away from this whole notion of identity politics where people focus on minority groups where people feel threatened by others and realize we're one country, we're democrats, we're republicans, we have contested elections, but we should never allow another country to get away with this again and spread fake news through social media and convince americans to turn on each other. >> do you also see my argument that this takes advantage of our is good nature, at least, those americans left who display a good nature, we are different from other people on this planet. >> yes, it takes advantage of
our first amendment and our freedom of speech. just as a school shooter will take vacadvantage of our second amendments it is interpreted by the courts. but the problem is the russians also understood the troubling parts of our nature, the white identity politics, the white nationalism, the hatred of hillary clinton, the hatred of minority groups, of immigrants, of muslims, they took advantage of that, and we need to unify as americans and see ourselves as americans first. as one country, with two political parties, perhaps a third political party, but not with the russians able to interfere with our elections in a situation where we'll run to the russians for help and some people, yes, including the president of the united states when he was a candidate calling out upon the russians to hack hillary clinton's email. that should never happen again. we're americans first.
then we're democrats and republicans. we have our other affiliations, but we're americans first. >> when someone asks you or complains, especially in light of this, when folks get home from work on a friday and really start digging into this, when they ask, who can we trust? who should we trust? what's your answer? >> you need to get your news from reputable sources, i'm not saying everybody has to read the "new york times" and the wall street journal and watch nbc, but we do need to get reputable sources. we don't just go on the internet and look on various blog sites, look on facebook to find out the latest news on a presidential candidate. that's not the way you learn about your candidates. we need to be a lot more sophisticated when we consume news. just as we would with our money, we hopefully wouldn't hand our
money over to any old con artist, with a lot of con artists in the media, there is a lot of fake news, and it's not coming from nbc or "new york times," and we need to be a lot more so much fiphisticated as c of news if we're going to preserve our democracy. >> i want to read to our viewers what former cia director brennan, who by the way is one of our newest contributors here at nbc and in short order will be joining us on the air with his analysis of such things, this is what he has said on twitter. doj statement an indictments reveal the extent and motivations of russian interference in our 2016 election. claims of a hoax in tatters. my take, implausible that russian actions did not influence the views and votes of at least some americans. and that much i think is fair to
say is indicated in this indictment. another one of our editorial folks says this, worth noting this statement does not address a massive russian conspiracy to defraud the american democratic system was unleashed on our country, and there's no other way to put it really, julia ainsley, our national security and justice reporter continues to look through this, julia, what would you like to add to this consideration? >> i want to name richard panero. he's able to explain more about how these russian interferers worked. and one of the things he did according to the indictment is he was able to sell them bank account numbers. so there was a way that these people were -- the russian interferers were not coming from
russia and hacking in or creating bots where russia, they were actually able to use american bank accounts, american identities and even go through pay-pal to do exactly what they did. so that tells two things, one, it's going to be really difficult for tech companies like pay-pal, like these social media companies going forward to detect outside interference when these outside interferers are able to use american bank account. it also says that richard pineto may be able to hand over other people, particularly other americans. there are people known and unknown to the grand jury that were co-conspirators. this is crucial to understanding the way this could go moving forward and if there's other americans that could have worked in this interference effort. >> malcolm nance is continuing to stand by for us, a veteran of
the intelligence business. malcolm nance, when we read this white house statement and the two words in capital letters are no collusion, which has become the president's mantra, he said it for himself on twitter today. is that true if everything else in the indictment is true. >> well, this indictment was not about collusion. this indictment was about russia shaping the perceptions of the united states and of what russia wanted perceived by who ever would be their candidate come 2015, 2016. and according to this, which obviously comes from sources with inside russia, that was trump, so by creating the perception, and this is again, this is a russian strategy that is very old. the kgbs were masters of this, they have written thesises about how to do this long-term perception management shaping
well before an activity that you want to occur occurs. that means when donald trump became a candidate, there was a lot of information out there that shaped his opinion and views of the world that russia had already injected in there. i would like to make one point, brian. there are multiple lines of investigation here. this is about russia's social media warfare operation. this has nothing to do with american citizens who might have been coordinating with russia in conspiracy to distribute information that was hacked and it has nothing to do with the hacking itself. those are three entirely different lines of inquiries that the 18 prosecutors that mueller has on his staff are investigating separately. >> so malcolm, that's important, this is one strand, one trench, one aspect. and by its nature, we can't know the other areas this huge
federal effort is into, but please repeat the point you made earlier in this hour, about how robust, what you have learn it about the u.s., we'll call it counter spying for civilians, the sizable data mining operation, data collection operation we went back at the russians with. >> to tell you the truth, it was more human intelligence than data. if you read the indictment, and jill mentioned this a little earlier, it's very clear there's somebody who worked on the inside and named the names of everyone in this organization right down to their administrative remarks to when they were hired, when they did what, and this only involved about 90 ling wiuists and their management team to go at one of the many troll farms that russians are running. i think what you're seeing in
this indictment is what i've been saying all along is what internationally collected evidence becomes evidence in an indictment. >> score one for the home team, i guess, and we're down to way. malcolm nance, thanks. we're going to take a quick break, continue our live coverage, continue our conversation on the other side of this breaking news story, this indictment. we are devoting our air time to today. we'll be right back. little things can be a big deal. that's why there's otezla. otezla is not an injection or a cream. it's a pill that treats psoriasis differently. with otezla, 75% clearer skin is achievable after just 4 months, ... with reduced redness, thickness, and scaliness of plaques. and the otezla prescribing information has no requirement for routine lab monitoring. don't use if you're allergic to otezla. otezla may cause severe diarrhea, nausea, or vomiting. tell your doctor if these occur. otezla is associated with an increased risk of depression.
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importantly for us he is a msnbc contributor. and, chuck, what -- to my point, what doesn't this indictment say? what's not written or spoken in this? >> well, there's a lot not written or spoken. but one thing that jumps out at me, brian -- forgive me, i'm about to drop a double negative on you. >> that's all right. we allow them. >> nobody should draw any comfort or suste nance from what's not in the indictment. there isn't a paragraph that says, the following people are all vindicated. the notion that you would say that this vindicates maybe because i'm not mentioned here is just silly. what an indictment does is it charges people with a crime. in this case russians and russian organizations. it doesn't vindicate anyone. particularly in a case like this, brian, where it is very likely you'll never get your hands on these individuals to prosecute them in a u.s. court, why would the prosecutors tell more than they have to?
this is a speaking indictment. it does go into some level of detail, but there's a lot we don't know, and i don't think anyone should draw comfort from what's not in the indictment. >> and, chuck, if anything, a professional like you looks at this just like as we were saying with malcolm nance. this is like fingers on a glove. this is one of the fingers, and mr. mueller is operating along a huge spectrum of activities, correct? >> oh, absolutely. and the analogy i've used before, fingers on a glove is one. imagine a thousand-piece jigsaw puzzle and you only have three pieces, brian, and you don't have the box top so you don't know what it's supposed to look like at the end. we're getting more and more of the story at a time. this is just a chapter in the book. that's all it is. i don't think anyone can claim vindication because they are not mentioned in an indictment that charges russian individuals and russian organizations. >> we are so fortunate to have a
guy like chuck rosenberg. chuck, thank you for that. over to julia ainsley in washington, our national security and justice reporter. julia, i neglected to say earlier, you were at this event. and on top of the substance, as you listened to it unfold from rosenstein, and we had very little advance knowledge, we're not even used to hearing his voice. robert mueller, americans have not ever heard him speak since being named to this job. that's kind of the aura of anticipation around these officials. and to chuck's point, we just learned a small, a small part of this investigation today. >> it is a small part of the investigation. and, yes, i was there at that press conference. the deputy attorney general took very few questions from reporters. we all had a lot more questions, especially ones you're asking now, brian. what does this mean going forward? he would only talk really just about the indictment. he said that there is nothing in
the indictment that alleges this had an outcome on the election, but of course we know there is more to it than that. you can't possibly draw that conclusion from what's here. another thing i would point to, of the many prongs in the investigation that even began before robert mueller, we know the fbi was looking into as far back as the summer of 2015 how russia may try to meddle in the election. it wasn't until later that, about august 2016, that they really started looking into could the trump campaign have associates involved. so, what we're seeing today could just be the end of that first probe or the result of that first probe, because it's very possible to be able to influence people on social media without the help of another campaign. it's a little more difficult when you get into the hacking, when you get into the messaging that's coming from the campaign that seems to tie into some of the priorities that russia was pushing. those things we all still have
questions about and we're waiting to see in the coming months what robert mueller finds to answer those questions. >> chuck rosenberg, one last question and point if you can still hear me. are you reassured -- i don't know how to ask this. is this the fbi you knew? is there something in here that reassures you that they were on this despite all the talk and gesticula gesticulation on television, they were on this before americans knew this was an issue? >> they were on this before americans knew this was an issue. this is precisely the fbi i know. in some ways i find it oddly comforting because the level of detail in this indictment tells me that they have been doing this for a long time. they know precisely what they're doing. and this is only the tip of the tip of the iceberg. i am comforted by the fact we have men and women at the fbi doing this stuff. >> i understand that point
protected status for seven years under the obama administration, the leader finally getting answers, joins us live. ♪ welcome to "fox news @ night," i'm shannon bream in washington. new tonight, capping a week which began with the state of the union address and about to close with the release of that controversial surveillance memo, president trump appears to be going on offense against his critics. these new comments coming in just a short while ago speaking at the rnc winter meeting right here in washington. >> the name is resist, that's all they do is resist. i don't know if they're good at, they can't be too good at because we are passing a lot of things. >> shannon: those comments directed at democrats but they white house is poised to further
infuriate its critics with the release of a memo of alleged surveillance. ed henry joins us that story. >> breaking tonight, two sr. republicans are pushing back at reports that this republican memo will not live up to the hype that there are four separate explosive revelations about surveillance during the obama administration that have not yet leaked out ahead of the expected release. if that turns out to be true, it will be a vindication for republican devin nunes who suggests that this demo reveals abuses of the fisa law dating back to the obama years. a lot on the line as you saw house democratic leader nancy pelosi today called on speaker paul ryan to remove him as intelligence chairman, charging his actions have been a dangerous attack on law enforcement all meds to help president trump politically. a senior white house official suggested the president is going to tell congress he does not object to the public release of
this memo. then it would be up to the house to release it to the public. the top democrat on the panel has been very outspoken, he pushed back on the claim that he made only minor grammatical fixes to the original memo before sending it to the white house. the democrats charging it was secretly altered to tar both the fbi and the justice department. that was a claim that was hotly disputed by various republicans today including speaker ryan who seemed to give him some cover. >> i think the fbi is exactly right, this memo is a spin on not just a set of particular documents but broader classified information on that. that's because of serious and material omissions is inaccurate and gives a very misleading impression. >> this memo is not an
indictment of the fbi, department of justice, it does not dip you and the molar investigation or the deputy attorney general. it is congresses legitimate function of oversight to make sure that the fisa process is being used correctly and if it wasn't being used correctly, that needs to come to light and people need to be held accountable. >> the former fbi director james cone he went off on twitter and voting writing all should appreciate the fbi speaking up, i wish more of our leaders would, take heart, american history shows in the long run, weasels and liars never hold the field. so long as good people to stand up, not a lot of schools or streets named for joe mccarthy mccarthy. the mention of the fbi speaking up is an apparent reference to the statement put out by his success for, the current fbi director that the memo should be kept under wraps. cnn today claimed that he was threatening to resign if the president lets this memo go
public, nbc news knocking that down is false. we should note the people who have seen this memo have told us privately that james comey may be implicated all of this which might explain his fiery tweet. >> shannon: we will debate that coming up, the case of this top-secret memo has captivated washington and dominated media coverage. join us now is hogan ghibli, special assistant to the president. let's talk about this memo. their accusations late last night, breaking as this show is going on. there are alterations to the memo before it went to the white house, questions about whether the white house had anything to do with it, what can you tell us. >> we had nothing to do with alterations, it was generated in congress, sent to the white house. the president takes very seriously and he meant with the relevant stakeholders, people in the white house counsel, also on the national security team, they
found the next steps, we are moving into the final stages of that up with the president hasn't made a decision yet. >> shannon: everyone things were going to see it tomorrow. >> there is a process in place and the president would never do anything to put the american people at risk or harm our national security in any way. that's why the process takes so long, there is a five day window with the president has to go through the document. he did that with the team and they will make a decision soon. >> shannon: how was the statement received at the white house? the fbi was provided a limited opportunity to review this memo the day before the committee voted to release it. we have great concerns about material omissions of fact that fundamentally impact the memo's accuracy. >> this is coming to us already finished. whatever squabbles they have in congress, whatever the fbi is
saying they did, that's up to them. we are doing exactly what we were outlined to do by law to make sure it protects the american people. if it does get declassified, there is nothing in there that would harm this nation. >> shannon: i want to read a couple of analyses and give you a chance to respond. from cnn, president donald trump continues to tell his associates he believes the highly controversial republican memo alleging the fbi abuse could discredit the russia investigation, multiple sources with the white house discussions and said to. do you think the memo is going to discredit the molar investigation? >> i'm not going to get ahead of anything the president is going to say. he has read the document, he has poured through it meticulously meticulously -- this is important not just for what occurred, the president has been very clear. obviously he supports the rank-and-file members of the fb fbi. he believes they are hardworking and deserve our respect and
appreciation. it's obvious at the senior levels that reports have shown some serious biases against the donald trump and four hillary clinton during the investigation. that's troublesome. he's all about transparency, he wants these things to come out. he believes that sunlight is best in this situation. >> shannon: cnn saying that trump is frustrated with the russia investigation, the deputy attorney general, he may look for any opportunity to build a case for rod rosenstein's firing. >> i can't speak to that i haven't talked to him about tha that. this process, so many reports were brought out today of various aspects of this memo. they were all wrong. several reports saying he was going to release it before he
took off today, didn't happen. we were all sitting at the white house laughing, who was saying these things? et cetera old adage that the people who know don't talk and the people who don't know talk and that's obvious today. >> shannon: let's talk about immigration, the president has made the four pillar proposal that some on the rice don't like because they are upset about 1.8 million being eligible for a pathway to citizenship who are here illegally. the left is unhappy about the wall and all of these kinds of things too. >> they are unhappy about a lot of things. >> shannon: the president spoke about this tonight and the democrats and where they are in immigration. >> president trump: the democrats are awol, they are missing in action. we are saying where are they, we have a proposal, we never hear from them. i don't think they want to solve the daca problem, i think they want to talk about it, i think they want to obstruct -- the name is resist, that's the name of their movement. resist, that's all they do is
resist. >> shannon: will they find a way to meet in the middle? >> what are they resisting, lower taxes, more money in the pocket. >> shannon: i wall they don't want. >> they all voted for that wall in 2006 and 2013, the democrats are playing politics with people's lives and use all that with the shutdown. the president did a masterful job of exposing exactly what democrats are about. they want to shutdown the government, put our military at risk, 8.9 8.9 million childrent risk all to protect hundreds of thousands of people who are here illegally and unlawfully as opposed to the hundreds of millions of american citizens. that line has been drawn. present comes forward and says not only am i going to get a strong border security plan that ends chain migration, things democrats used to be for, protects our nation, gives border security what they need. i'm even going to put out
1.8 million people with a possibility for a pathway to citizenship, that's three times more than president obama offered in the democrats don't want it it's just baffling. >> shannon: we will keep watching, always good to see yo you. a contentious tax overhaul is starting to deliver in the form of bigger american paychecks. you have heard about 300 plus companies passing along benefits to workers and bonuses, one of the latest hostess giving employee bonuses, that has not stopped democrats from characterizing the cuts as crumbs. caroline joins us with details. >> it was a twofer for the president today, he he took a shot at nancy pelosi and got in a jab at hillary clinton. comments that bonuses coming out of republican tax cuts are crumbs to one of clinton's most memorable lines during the 2016 campaign where she called some
of his supporters deplorable, here's the president today. >> president trump: corporations giving tremendous bonuses to everybody that nancy pelosi called the crumbs, was a bad -- that could be deplorable, when people are getting $2,003,000, let's not crumbs, that's a lot of money. >> it's one that she has used a number of times including today at the text town hall in massachusetts. there is no comparison between the trillian and a dollar tax bracket that slashed corporate rates. >> while they give banquets to the high-end, top 1% corporate america. they are giving crumbs, compared to the banquets, they are getting at high end. >> she also had this to say after the president's comments today.
was deplorable are republicans desperate efforts to hide the g.o.p. tax scam behind a handful of meager one time bonuses, the casual dishonesty of taking her words out of context is nothing compared to the dishonesty of republican sales pitch on the tax scam itself. at least a 300 companies have announced bonuses, races, or that they are adding to 401(k) programs ranging from $2500 at apple, the smaller companies ranging minimum wage, . >> shannon: brand-new tweet from the president at this late hour. he said this, democrats aren't calling what daca. we have a great chance to make a deal or blame them, march 5th is coming up next. mucks to discuss with fox news politics editor chris stirewalt.
where do we start here will we have a deal by then? >> the president is tweeting here and trying to advantage the republicans about whose fault is going to be. the republicans won round one of the shutdown olympics. as i have said to before, this bobsled run is not nearly done. they're probably going to be multiple shutdowns i would guess in this year. unless republicans can apply pressure to democrats. to apply pressure, they have got to pass legislation through the house and they've got to have a bill to get 50 republicans in the senate. if they can't do that, they're going to let democrats off the hook. then pressure starts to ship them i could shift back to the g.o.p. >> shannon: trump has got the democrats right where he wants them, there's a quote in there
from a princeton political scientist who says that his name is nolan mccarty. if the democrats don't go along with this deal, blocking it would allow the trump administration to suggest that the democrats were willing to trade to dreamers for lottery and change migration as well as position them on soft on border security. the president has to back them into a corner. >> the crazy rhetoric that has come from some democrats talking this is racist, that doesn't help their case either. these are views that even very recently were not uncommon or were considered inhumane among democrats. there's a 70% position in america on immigration. the overwhelming majority of the electorate wants some kind of amnesty they want amnesty but they also want border security. >> shannon: they don't like that word though, may be some kind legal status, but i don't
>> people in hell want ice water. the majority of americans, the overwhelming majority of americans favor favor amnesty they favor allowing these people to stay. that in exchange for more border security. it's not about the ones that are here. it's about the next wave and the whole effort in washington, this is colored by what happened in 1986 by ronald reagan. there was amnesty but then the enforcement wasn't there on the other side. that's the one that trump can deliver him, he is in a unique position to get a deal done. if his party will help them. when he was at the greenbrier today, if they will take his word to heart and let him make a deal and give him the votes he needs, and just try to suck up primary voters, they would be a big deal. >> shannon: i love the greenbrier, i'm not from west virginia. it's a great place to be.
hogan is try to be cagey with us, we think were going to get it tomorrow. andy mccarthy formal federal prosecutor from the national review, he said the intelligence committee has gone about things right away, conducting oversight and carefully handling classified information so that things the public should know are disclosed without compromising vital intelligence or its sources. democrats are condemning the process and much of the media seems strangely indifferent if not opposed to disclosure. >> i think that's true, i think the larger context here, democrats started with obvious and pernicious leaking on the russia probe to try to paint the trump administration, the president as a puppet of the kremlin. that was an obvious and
intentional act by democrats. republicans are now responding with an escalation. this escalation is going very obvious that the target here is impossible to miss, it's rod rosenstein. he is the linchpin of the justice department. now you got rod rosenstein, he's the guy that looks obvious that trump might like to pry him out. the memo creates different constituencies. there are civil libertarians who like the memo because it's going to make it harder on mass surveillance. they don't like mass surveillance if these people want to help them get the memo out, and there are people who are doing it for political reasons, they're trying to discredit the mueller investigation or start firing people at the fbi. pushing them out. then you have people who want clarity, they want answers.
i'll tell you where i think this all ends up. i think this all ends up that everything is coming out. it's all coming out, the republican one, the democratic one, all the testimony. backup the semi and we are going to have a document deluge over the next couple of months. >> shannon: this is not the mccarthy reference by former fbi director comey. he did say the democrats memo as long as it meets the classification and requirements, that one should come out too. the fbi should write one if it has proms with either or both of these. >> i have a memo, it's a delicious recipe for ribs. >> shannon: happy friday evening. nikki haley offering a scathing indictment, also arguing that the trump administration has been tougher on russia since any administration since reagan.
>> we have sent advanced weapons to ukraine, we have not lifted a single sanction on russia. in fact, we've expanded sanctions against them. we have expelled russian diplomats, i have no idea what russian expected from the american election but i've got to tell you, they are not happy with what they ended up with. >> shannon: she repeated russia is not our friend, adding they will never be if they continue their course of action on the world stage. all of this memo drama has turned into a melodrama but what about the rank the rank and file fbi? our next guests are uniquely qualified to discuss the impact this is all having on morale. check it out, trace gallagher is reporting on one of the biggest stories in southern california. plus closure in the case of one conservative group targeted by the irs for seven years. were going to talk to the lead plaintiff who stood up to the agency under the obama administration.
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secret service agent and former nypd officer. i want to read something that came from the fbi association today. saying they appreciate fbi director standing shoulder to shoulder with the men and women of the fbi as we work together to protect our country from criminal and national security threats. agents take a solemn oath to the country and the american public continues to be well served by the world's preeminent law enforcement agency. how careful do we have to be even uncovering these things that is not decimating morale? speak of the men and women of the fbi are the finest people i have ever worked with. i say that with no reservation. my hats off to all of you doing great work out there keeping bank robbers, computer criminals off the streets. let's be clear about what happened here.
a select group of upper-level management at the fbi violated protocol to spy on the trump team. spying on the trump team is not in dispute. it's all in the method by which it happened that is still in dispute that may be cleared up in the memo. what they did in our name i have a really good contact on this. >> shannon: what are you hearing about how they feel? >> i have a long history with the fbi, a deputy was an fbi agent, i had counterterrorism folks. morale is hurting right now, they are embarrassed. look at the seal, fidelity, bravery, integrity. it's a big art of their culture, they are very proud. if for upper management of the fbi to breach that trust and to conduct themselves in an unprofessional matter, there is no place for that in the fbi. they are very excited with the naming of the new acting deputy,
he is a career success story. he's got the respect of the troops not just in the fbi but all the other agencies but he ran a gang task force in california with multiple agencies taking down hells angels, the bloods, the crips. he has earned his stripes and law enforcement. >> shannon: that will be an encouragement to the people you are talking with, i want to read something from a former special agent at "the daily beast" today saying this over the release of the memo, many honorable men and women should be prepared to resign to walk out over this, what do you make of that? >> a candidate for president of the united states was spied on -- to the american people understand what happened there? to spy on people using law
enforcement isn't illegal, you have to get a warrant using probable cause at on a criminal case, you have to get a warrant that there is probable cause, someone is acting as a foreign agent in violation of u.s. law. i'm asking the question to the audience -- where is the probable cause, produce for me a scintilla of evidence that either one of those two things happened. a crime was committed or someone on the trump team was acting as a foreign agent in violation of u.s. law while on the trump team and advising trump, you can't because it didn't happen. the public is entitled to know. we do still live in a constitutional republic. >> shannon: do you think the release of the memo will help or hurt the restoration of american's confidence in the fb fbi. >> the public deserves full accountability, transparency, the government has to produce these type of documents so they can make their own decision. i don't know what they're memo says, i don't know what's going
to be released. regardless of what the details are, the public deserves the truth. >> shannon: may be tomorrow, we will see. thank you both so much for staying with us. new developments tonight with the veterans group targeting all those nfl players, who take a during the anthem. lawmakers taking action at the big game, stick around for more on that. our members shop a little differently. so we reward every purchase. let's see what kate sent. for you. for all of us. that's for me. navy federal credit union open to the armed forces, the dod, veterans, and their families. with advil's fast relief, you'll ask, "what pulled muscle?" "what headache?"
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said he wanted to be let out and our deputies obliged. >> they knew he had an outstanding warrant for failing to appear but because of jail overcrowding, they rarely arrest people for minor violations. the councilmember isn't buying the whole compassion explanatio explanation. they should've taken a man to help. shooting at a middle school near downtown los angeles, a 12-year-old girl was arrested for opening fire. investigators say the shooting appears to be accidental, it's unclear where she got it and why she brought to school, a 15-year-old boy was shot in the head he remains in critical but stable condition, a 15-year-old girl was shot in the rest, we are told that she is going to be just fine. >> shannon: thank you very much. congressman adam schiff unloads on president trump during his
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>> the most painful realization has not been what kind of president he has turned out to beat which i think was predictable. but rather how many members of congress will be complicit in the undermining of our democracy. that has been a bitter truth to swallow. >> shannon: david canton is a senior political writer for u.s. news & world report. i'm going to read a little bit more of what congressman schiff had to say. he said the occupant of the oval office is not a champion of democracy, the threat is now far less then the threat from within. are you surprised to see that or is that where the vitriol is no now? >> i'm not really surprised at all. i don't know what's in the memo and i don't know what's going to happen tomorrow, but i do know that the behavior of adam shift and the democrats, their insistence on covering up the
information that is in this memo is not a good look for their side of the case. if there is truly nothing to hide and i think stop hiding. what i find to be more suspicious and incriminating is that the democrats and adam schiff are sticking up for the fbi at all. was it not just a couple of years ago in 2016 that they were slamming the fbi for supposed bias against hillary clinton, that was justifiable. now when republicans are raising legitimate concerns about malfeasance, it's "undermining democracy?" spam a. >> shannon: here's what nancy pelosi had to say about the idea that the memo is good to come out. >> if he was releasing this memo he would not only be endangering our country, he would also be violating the rules of the congress of the united states. >> shannon: is that accurate, i'm no expert on the minutia of the parliamentary procedure is what i've read several accounts
that said this thing is working its way through the way it should, it goes back to the committee, they can release it. is the minority with leader accurate when she says it's against the rules? >> there is a process to occur and i think that process is happening and i think it's why we haven't seen the memo yet. just playing those quotes, you can play devin nunes quotes, this whole process has become so politicized. i think if it was a tougher call a week and a half ago, at this point, everything has to be released. there is not only a republican memo, there's a democratic memo, i think you could go further and released the fisa applications so everything is out there. the american people are smart, this has been so politicized if all the information comes out, people are going to be able to make their own decisions if there was malfeasance against donald trump. if devin nunes made edits to
this memo, the democrats can respond to that. until we see it, we're not going to really know. >> maybe it does clear things up and take the political sting out of it if everything is on the table for americans who are sappy, who can read through this material, it may be tough because they're going to be classified items. if there is a memo on the other side a lot of people think the lease them both. somebody who has been consistent on the issue of government surveillance is senator rand paul, here's what he said. >> i'm the government and i record thousands of your phone calls, then i'd bring it in for the fbi. if you don't describe it consistently am going to put you in jail, that would be a terrible world to live in. >> shannon: it's an argument to bring people together across the spectrum, there is an argument to be made about us in knowing more about government
surveillance and how it works. >> i think transparency is necessary, rand paul described a police state in which we are not free to think and believe. i don't think anybody on either side of the aisle wants that. i think that issue has been lost in the politicization of all of this. we have been so concerned with the two competing narratives coming at us from capitol hill, the democrats who think this is a distraction from the russian investigation, the republicans who might want to distract from the russian invested investigao one wants to government to invade that part of our lives. >> shannon: do you think they can find common ground on the issue of government surveillanc surveillance? >> i would say we need surveillance in this country to protect us against terrorism and threats. in this case with the reports said as they were surveilling the trump aid.
we don't know because we haven't seen what they used to get the fisa wanted to. were talking about carter page who is in the trump campaign, supposedly the russia government was trying to flip him. is that the legitimate use of surveillance? i think a lot of americans if an american was going to be turned on the other side to aid another country, we would want to surveillance in those cases. we don't want them in their private lives, i don't want government surveillance on me -- but if someone is acting in a way that might be but trailing stomach betraying the country. i think more americans would support surveillance. >> shannon: i think they want to know how it's being used. thank you both. time now for our real news roundup, taking a shot in the nfl, the georgia state senate
condemning the league for turning down an ad from a veterans group. they wanted to run a police stand ad, the target of the players and others who may kneel during the national anthem. today kicks off black history month, celebrating the occasion a high school in vermont raised a black lives matter at flag with full participation of school administrators and state legislators. students at montpelier high school took turns raising the flag. >> it's remarkable to be able to watch this student power to do something that is so critical and important for being sure that we do have inclusive education in the state of vermont. >> we are reminded that all lives matter but people to forget in our culture that black lives matter. >> vermont has a way of leading the charge, i am so proud of the kids and the faculty here in the school board. >> shannon: in san jose, the
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republicans want to do it on their own terms if the president approves it, if it goes through the proper processes, i would say that the tipping point for the white house is there is some reporting earlier this evening that christopher wray the fbi director could step down over his objections. i think that might make the white house nervous, it might make them pull back because there was some reporting that the chief of staff john kelly met with him to try to foment a compromise because that would be a disaster for the white house if they lost another fbi director. that would be a political maelstrom that they couldn't handle. >> shannon: the director's cut than a tough spot here between the men and women, the rank-and-file, issuing a statement thanking him for standing with them. others within the fbi like we heard from our guests talking about the fact they are embarrassed, they want this cleaned up and they want the
transparency to happen, it's a tough place for director wray to be. >> i don't want this to turn into an attack on the fbi, i think it would be wrong for any conservative or anyone on the right to make it an attack on the entire institution, that's not true. we need them for our freedom and our democracy. the fact of the matter is there's suspicion, i think people on both sides of the aisle should want that. i think it's wrong for anyone to say it's an attack against them all. we need to be careful and make sure that we are respecting the institution and holding them accountable. >> shannon: we talked at the beginning of the show, the president is sharing with people these are allegations he is having with people into saying when the memo comes out he feels like it's going to be good for his case that the russia probe -- he never really had a fair shot. he said he's not going to speak
with the president on that. paul ryan said that you've got to be really careful not to conflate these two things, he is warning members not to tie the two things together. >> that's a political part, i do think the white house thinks that this will invalidate trumps concerns with the russia probe, that was stacked against him agents at the highest levels working to manipulate the laws. the muller investigation is going to go on, even if this memo comes out and there is outrage about it and people are upset about what occurred. that is not going to stop bob mueller. really the only thing that can stop him is president trump, if he decides to move on him and fire the special counsel which i don't think he's going to do at this point.
those have to be two separate things but they are going to be conflated on both sides of the aisle, just watching the comments that have gone on this week. >> shannon: when we get the memo, certainly the results of the russia probe, those will be explosive days with plenty of finger-pointing and accusations going around. thank you for sticking around with us. are you getting ready for the big game this weekend? i'm not talking about football, i'm talking about the puppy bow bowl. after the break. needed to do to get an estimate was snap a photo of the damage and voila! voila! i wish my insurance company had that... wait! hold it... hold it boys... there's supposed to be three of you... where's your brother? where's your brother? hey, where's charlie? charlie?! you can leave worry behind when liberty stands with you. liberty stands with you™ liberty mutual insurance.
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means and what it will do in terms of dividing or excluding and king is is big because his part of the party is fundamental. >> ask him why he hasn't deleted thretweet. we'll be watching. thanks very much. cuomo prime time later tonight. 9:00 p.m. eastern only here on cnn. that's it for me. thanks for watching. erin burnett "outfront" starts right now. next, trump's victory lap. what's next after his major supreme court win today. and can democrats do anything to stop him? senator booker is "outfront." plus, house speaker demands an apology from maxine waters. it's amazing how lacking any such demand has ever been from the speak whern it comes to the president and the president calls it a crisis on the southern border. one border town mayor though says it's anything but and that mayor is is our guest. let's go "outfront." tonight, trump's travel ban.
secelebrating the supreme court decision to uphold his third version of the travel ban. >> tremendous success for the american people. and for our constitution. this is a great victory for our constitution. >> the division was a twided one wurk the president was on the the winning side. getting a promise into law. >> we were having problems with muslims coming into the country. we have to look at the muslims and do something. we must find out what is going on. >> all right, measured by that, this ban is not what the president promised. it's not a full muslim ban. as he so infamously promised. it applies to just five countries. but it is still described by its detractors as big religion ban.
no amount of disguise iing can remains an atoemt ban people based on their faith and when this third version was reloueas, a tweet, a ban was released and we're not fooled. well, a third try was the charm because trump got his ban and tonight, he's trying to take this big victory a step further and do it fast. second after taking his victory lap, he aimed for his next big agenda item as a win. >> we started the wall. we're spending a lot of energy and a lot of time and started up in san diego and other places. it's under construction now. zpl. >> the wall. perhaps the president's single biggest campaign ise. and now he is set on it going into the win column. because after all, if you heard anything more than a wall, you heard about how the president
loves winning. >> we're winning. we're winning like nobody's won before. let me take a guess. you're still not tired winning. winning is such a great feeling. isn't it a great feeling? we're really winning. we know how to win. america is winning again. >> and when it comes to devicive issues, trump is talking up some big wins right now. >> wouldn't you love to see one of these nfl owners, when somebody disrespects our flag, to say get the son of a bitch off the field, he's fired. >> the nfl cannot disrespect our country. they cannot disrespect our flag or our national anthem. in my opinion, nfl has to change. or you know what's going to happen? their business is going to go to
hell. >> he won. the nfl caved. mr. ronger goodell announcing quote, all team league personal shall stand and show respect for the flag and anthem so, the rules have changed the president won and when comes to russia, the president has intensifieded his assault on robert mueller. >> witch hunt. witch hunt. your witch hunt. witch hunt. witch hunt. phony witch hunt. >> the president's attacks on mueller have surged. the word witch hunt has surmged asurged and it's gone in step with the public opinion of mueller going the other direction. the percentage of american who is approve of mueller's handling of the veinvestigation is no41%. 44 in may and 48 in march. the president is not stopping. he's trying to turn his biggest promise into another win. >> we're building a wall. >> the fwraet border wall. wing e we're going to build a
wall. >> we'll have a wall. it will be a great wall. >> and today, he is even more. with this win, he wants more money for the wall. >> we have $1.6 million, but we're going to ask for an increase in wall spending so we can finish it. quick quicker. >> the president seen today as a huge victory and though the band was not his original one, it is his ban and he did win. >> he did. there's a sense of vindication here in the white house. you heard the president going after his perceived critics. they've been covering this all wrong, but he was relishing what he saw as his victory today even though this is the same third vir vegas of that travel ban the president said was watered down. he criticized the justice
department for changing that ban, narrowing it a little bit so it would have legal muster, which is why it was upheld today. now the president focusing on this as a viktdry, saying it justifies his hard line immigration tactics. what we should work toward now is how this propels the president going forward. if it affects his policies on the u.s. mexico border, but for now, the
right? when he gave his opening remarks today, you know, celebrating this victory, he said i'm going to ask for an increase in wall spending. his words, quote, so we can finish it quicker. is he going to get it eventually and are you guys going to have to pay it? >> not if i have anything to do with it. i don't care whether it's defending religious freedom. whether it's defending what i consider moral vandalism, which is not just a humanizing and taking away the dignity of people trying to cross in the our country, but assaulting of her americans. ly fight him in every way possible. >> when you talk about standing up for what you believe in, to the president and fighting, there are others trying to do that, but people are doing it in different ways. congresswoman maxine waters, you know what she said. she called for the public con fron tag of anyone who works for the president. >> and if you see anybody from that cabinet in a restaurant, in a department store, at gasoline station, you get up and say to
the crowd and push back. responded to waters by say iing the chairman -- his quote was this is who she is and this is who she will always be and our country is better because of it. where do you stand on this? it not american to call for it or is our country berth because of snit. >> look -- you know, i dedicate my life to living a certain way. my heroes are people like martin luther king and gandhi. some of the most ferocious fighters, for those being oppressed and for the highest e ideal,ch is love. we need to create a more beloved community and i think often what we say about others or treat others says more b about us than those people themselves so my purpose here to get us back to
being a country which sees each other's dignity, which affirms the best in who we are. it didn't shy away at all from standing strong and fighting the hard fight for our values and our ideals, but at the same time, we have to be a country that can still find common ground. still find points of agreement. >> everyone seems to be playing to their bases and trump seized on this. the e-mails come out. specifically mentioning what waters said. a virginia restaurant asking sanders to leave. they are laid out specifically. it is helping the president raise money. are all of these things just playing into his hands in the sort of spiral to the bottom we're all witnessing? >> well first of all, hypocrisy, these are folks that were trying to allow for a big owner to deny someone the ability to come and buy cakes because of they were gay. i watched on tv, i wasn't a
senator yet during a state of the union speech president obama was heckled. talk about disrespecting someone in one of the more important moments of america where millions of nonamericans are watching us. you assault the presidency, not to mention the president. none of these folks were calling for a sennture or a person o step down. this has to be a time where all of us, not just people in office, have to decide how we're going to conduct ourselves. i do not believe we as a country can drive out darkness with darkness. that we have to be light workers in this time. doesn't mean we don't protest or don't stand up. stand strong, but god bless america. we need some patriotism, love of our country, more now than ever. >> thank you for your time. >> thank you. and next, paul ryan, he's calling on maxine waters to apologize, but why didn't he f do that for the president? president trump's description of the southern border today. >> crisis of illegal
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paul ryan is calling on maxine waters to apologize. the president who mocked her what he says is a low iq, this after she called for protests against members of the trump administration. >> there's no place for this. she obviously should apologize. when we in this democracy are suggesting that because we disagree with people on political views, on policy views, on philosophical views that we should result to violence and harassment and intimidation, that's dangerous for our society, for our democracy. she should apologize and there's just no place for that in our public discourse. >> of course he has never said any such thing about the president himself. waters is not taking ryan's bait. she's actually refused thus far to respond to him. now, steve cortez, member of the president's 2020 re-elected advisory council and angela rye.
angela, paul ryan says waters should apoll swriz. based on what she did, what she said, is he right? >> absolutely not. if anyone's offering apologieap it should be paul ryan for failed leadership for not step dou downsooner, for bringing the immigration bill to the bail, which failed because it's a horrible piece of legislation. it's devicive. he should apologize for not engaging democrats in strategy to ensure that pieces of legislation that are compromised upon are actually brought to the house store. there are a number of things he can apologize for including not being courageous enough to take on donald trump during the campaign so we didn't have to deal with this nightmare right now. the only person out of the two people you mentioned who should be offering an apology is speaking paul ryan himself. >> steve? >> this might surprise you, i agree that he should apologize, but for different reasons. for being an incredibly ineffective speaker who sold out to lobbyists and has the support of the president's agenda, but
regarding waters and the question here, the real question. should she not only apologize, she should resign. she's a disgrace to her office. >> not at all. >> she called on peel who support president trump to be hounded and chased out of the the public square. that is a opposite of what we've ever stood for in america and here's more important point, erin, really, i think waters is so ridiculous that she can almost be discounted and written off, but there are a loft respectable people out there echoing her sentiments. people like donny deutsch on msnbc. elise jordan on nbc who said if you vote for president trump, you're a nazi and the social shunning of sarah sanders' family was okay. so it's not just waters who quitely is crazy, a lot of those who are supposedly respectable who are also voicing, i'm very much disrespecting her, who are
voicing these -- >> now that we're this this world where it's fine to just personally malign people, but that's the world we're in. steve part of the reason we're in this world is because of the man you come on here and defepd. if you're saying water should e resign, fine. and you're seeing the president should. >> hillary wants to abolish the second amendment. if she gets to pick, if she gets to pick her judges, nothing you can do, folks. although the second amendment people, maybe there is. >> i love the old days, you know what they did to guys like that in a place like this, they'd be carried out on a stretch e, folks. if you see somebody ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of them. >> so, steve tstion is, how can you say she should resign, but not he. how can paul ryan say she should apologize, but not he.
him, sorry. >> i don't support political violence of any stripe. i wish the president hadn't said those things. i think it was a mistake. to my knowledge, he hasn't said anything like that as president. >> what about the tweet to waters? >> there's a big difference, when somebody shows up at a trump event and causes a problem, there's a big difference if saying they should be treated imploitly versus saying let's go out into the public square and hunt down people who support the president and let's make them unwelcome. let's make them not be able the get gas, to get food. to participate in american life. that is a crucial difference. >> angela. >> yes, i think the big difference is what regularly happens to congresswoman waters because her words are so pow powerful and for whatever reason, the republicans and apparently, some democrats are threatened by her power and her courage, her words are not only taken out of context, she's misquoted. there was nothing about hounding
people. the things she said, i have it written down, they're going to harass them. she's talk iing about what peop will do. she also said create a crowd and push back on them. that is what she's always been about. >> angela, she's been called out by jackie speier and chuck schumer. she's going to be the first ever press secretary to get full time secret service protection. sarah sanders is going to be. does that bother you we're in this place? >> what bothers, erin, is is that people regularly take her comments out of context. she has clarified that she's been abundantly clear about what she's calling for. she is asking for trump administration officials to be held accountable for what they're doing. this isn't about some simple policy or political difference, erin. this is about people who are separating families more than 2300 children at this point with no plan to reunite them.
this is about policies like the muslim ban that was just upheld in the supreme court today. i'm not done. i did not interrupt you. let me finish. my point is is very simple. i demand that people stop requiring congresswoman waters to be to behave in one way while others can do something else. n nancy pelosi says let's make america beautiful again. steve, at the beginning of this program, said this isn't america. what america are you talking about? childish gambino told you what america is and what it looks like some f us see a very different america. the fact that chuck schumer called what a black woman said un-american is problematic and this is the reason why democr democrat -- it has everything to do with the fact this black woman is is intimidating to some people who can't handle the truth. it has everything to do with it. >> it has nothing to do with -- >> that's what you wish for,
max. donald trump responded to that. come on, erin, there's time an time again we can look at trump's tweets. he's intimidated my frick edric wilson, it has everything to do is race and that's why i schumer's comments deplorable and offensivoffensive. what america are you talking about? this is the america of lynch mobs, too. she didn't call for violence. trump did. >> steve, the last word. >> as a hispanic and minority, i will adonald trump not only has our best interest at heart, but has absolutely zero, zero semblance of racism in his heart. the idea we don't fight, if the fikt is about policy, which i'd like it to be, the way we fight on policy is through words, persuasion, not mob rule. thuggery. that's what we've seen. particularly women who support
donald trump, which i find interesting. a lot of thuggery, where people show up, intimidate, harass, menace. that's not persuasion. let's negotiate in the public square our words. something we tell little children. don't lash out. use your words. >> start off steve, would you ak no knowledge the president not ending a tweet to waters saying she had a low iq. about the thuggest thing to do. it's a downward spiral. >> she accused the cia of starting the crack epidemic in the 1991 0i9s. >> the truth hurts. >> do you just try to defend -- >> he just tried to defend it and used the word thuggery three times. thuggery. like where are we? >> all right. i want to move on. the first lady melania trump about to take another trip to the border. the mayor of brownsville, texas
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by saying there is in his wor rng a crisis at the southern border. >> we'll not rest until our border is secure. our citizens are safe and we finally end the immigration crisis. once and for all. >> and crisis of illegal immigration on our southern border. >> we inherited a full fledged border crisis. a border crisis. is the worst it's ever been. >> now, tony martinez, the democratic mayor of brownsville, texas, which is home to ten facilities for children acce separated from their parents. you heard the president.right, specifically. and repeatedly saying this is a crisis, the worst it's ever been. you've been mayor in brownsville for eight years. do you agree with that assessment? crisis? >> you know, i can't agree with that at all. i think some of you have asked
me to speak out and basically what we have is a crisis that's being manufactured through words and it's totallyi've lived here close to eight years and our streets are safe. our community is moving along as it should be. we have a lot of great projects going oond none of us are fearful of our lives. because of this immigration situation. these immigrants are coming over here turning themselves in. because they're fleeing for their lives. i mean i think it's a bit insidious to say the things they're saying, but you know, the discourse going on and the conversation that's going on is is very troubling for mayors across the nation. >> i'm curious though, mayor martinez. according to dhs, more than 50,000 people were arrested crossing the southern border. and that was just last month, so
when you compare that to may of the year before, it's an increase of 160% ch they're getting close to a tripling in just one year. it's the third month running we've seen more than 50,000 arresteds at the boarder. when you see numbers like that, it can sound like a crisis to a whole lot of people watching. why is that wrong? >> well, the reason it's wrong is because they're coming over here not as might be indicated by the language and rhetoric they're using to seem like they're coming over here in droves to try to fig your out how to get in some gangs or cartels et cetera. most of these people are running away from the cartels and most are from central america. we've had this issue for a long time and we've tried to deal with it. unfortunately, politically, it's been unable to be solved and addressed and i think the american people should know that. i've talked to you know people from honduras, from guatemala, el salvador and quite frankly,
they're fleeing for their lives. they're going to die whe they're at or die trying. >> last thursday, melania trump went to texas and spent an hour meeting with staff and children at a shelter. a spokeswoman said she's going to come back for a second trip this week. down to the texas mexico border. are her visits help fful? >> yeah -- you know, i welcome anybody to come take a look at it. we've been down here with paul ryan and we've had senator cruz and senator cornyn and most of the people that we've spoken to really it doesn't really move the needle. i don't know why not. because it really does break your heart when you see what's going on down here. and i think we need a problem and we need a solution and that's the problem that we have. is that nobody, everybody wants to talk loudly and over each other, but nobody wants to tuck
about what we need to do and that's what we as mayors do in our cities. we have to have a solution for our problems. >> well, mayor martinez, i appreciate your time. i want to go now to mark preston. interesting, crisis is not the word. >> right. >> not denying the numbers. the numbers are numbers. but saying he thinks crisis is being manufactured by r words. >> this is something we've seen since 2015. since president trump or then donald trump was a candidate. just stop and just take in what we saw from the mayor there. very calm and collected. somebody on the front lines explaining the situation. not the hyperbole we're seeing in washington. not the attacks just because someone's a democrat or a republican. somebody who has to deal with it day in and day out. >> yet when we come back to the in your opinions, what caused this embroilio, the especially ration of families at the border, when are they going to be reunited?
obviously there's not a cloer and easy path to that. >> right and the president hasn't shown us a clear and easy path. he has muddied the waters with his rhetoric, which don't match his actions and what we hear from his administration. so i don't think we have an answer. quite frankly, we do not have an answer. the last thing we heard from the doj was they were going to stay in deteng if they could keep them until everything was processed with their parents and their parents were deported back an they would be connected back up again. clearly not a good situation. >> easier said than done. then you have a real time clock ticking. thank you very much. next, breaking news losie ining last ditch attempt stop mueller. and president trump calling out harley davidson. call out their bluff. is he in the right on this one? we are at harley davidson
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quote, you don't really care about mr. manafort's bank fraud. you really care about getting information that mr. manafort can give you that can reflect on president trump and lead to his impeachment. so this appears to be b a big turn around. sarah, what does this mean for paul manafort now? >> well it basically means he's goeng to be preparing now for two trials. one in virginia and one in washington, d.c. as we saw today, this was a judge who said the most sympathetic things to paul manafort and towards his play out of any of these motions he's made to get these charges and trials dismissed and that did not work in virginia. i think one of the things that was telling was that it was warranted for the counsel to be looking into this work paul manafort had been doing for ukrainian politicians. that's something the government said was well worth looking into to see if that could have tied to the question of whether there was collusion between trump
campaign officials and russians. those aren't the charges paul manafort tis facing. he's facing charges relating to foreign lobbying. the oh thing the judge said, people could be looking at this, at the notion that the special counsel is using this investigation as a political weapon. we saw a judge who was very cognizant of how public sentiment could be playing into this. the judge decided to allow this trial to move forward, but it gives you a sense of the environment we're in and the environment that frankly paul manafort has been hoping to capitalize on by making all of these claims that the special counsel is acting outside of his mandate. but for manafort, who is in jail, this is yet another blow. >> of course been in jail now for many days and has not yet cave d to the pressure. at least that we know of. now former counsel to the u.s.
assistant attorney general,carey. last month, this was a big story. the judge questioned whether manafort was trying overstep. ellis said i don't see what relationship this has with anything the special counsel is authorized to investigate. it's unlikely you're going persuade me. the special counsel has unfettered power to do what he wants. they basically said give us the memo. what are you allowed to do and they gave it to him. judge rules against manafort. what does that say? >> well, the judge's consideration of this issue was the same consideration that a judge in the district of columbia also gave because manafort hadged the same special counsel regulations in the district of columbia. and his conclusion came out the same as the district of columbia judge. he found that on the actual merits of manafort's claim that the prosecution is squarely
within the special counsel regulations. that looking into matters that might arise from the russia investigation is appropriate prosecutorial behavior and so he did not find any grounds on which to stop the case at this point. he also similar d.c. judge, said that theegulations themselves don't confer rights on the defendant. so both of those were consistent with the district court junl. what was different about this opinion from judge ellis in virginia was that judge ellis has a deep skepticism of the powers of special counsel as sarah was describing earlier and their predecessor. >> so, you know, sarah's talking about paul manafort, he's been in jail and i mean, so far, at least as we know, that has not caused him to cave, o turn to cop right, but u does a reeling like this today as to the pleasure for him to cooperate or say look, i could be look at the rest of my life in prison?
>> based on facing steep penalty, if he were to be found guilty, of his counsel's choosing, he is fighting this case in two districts. that was manafort's legal counsel and his decision to want to per sewer this in two different venues. so he now, he does have to face trial in two different locations. that's a burden. that's difficult. that's expensive, but he might take that risk. he still has the right to go to trial. and be tried and he can take that risk and he also does what's different about this situation is there's always that pardon possibility hanging out there because president trump has expressed a willingness to use pardons and his lawyer has said that potentially he could do it at the end of f these cases, too. >> all right. which of course makes him more likely to spend these nights as he's been spending them, in jail without cooperating. next, president trump going after harley davidson. making threat against a company he once embraced. so we went to harley davidson
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tonight president trump slammi slamming harley davidson. here he is. >> i have been good to harley davidson and they use it as an excuse. i think the people that ride harley, are not happy with them. i wouldn't either. >> long before tariffs announced hence they were just using tariff trade war as an excuse. bill weir is out front. what is the truth? >> reporter: well, actually, the president seems to have kind of a thin grasp of what is happening if you judge it by the tweets. the true story is while i bought
my harley davidson because i am from milwaukee, the truth is harleys are made in brazil, and india, and it is all about profit motive. abou a mon after this company got a huge tax break, they still closed the plant in kansas city and moved the jobs to york, pennsylvania. but a net loss of jobs 350 or so. might have convinced them they wouldn't need to open that plant in thailand. but the idea that tariffs and tough talk from the white house is going to stop globalization even for an iconic american brand, it is not happening. >> they are going ahead with this, and expressing anger at the tariffs too. what is interesting is trump
loved harley davidson, obviously not someone who rode one, but nonetheless, a big fan. >> scott walker has a wonderful company called harley-davidson in wisconsin. i was with harley davidson, a great company in wisconsin. harley davidson makes great motorcycles. >> and in this administration, our allegiance is to american. >> it wasn't just a one off thing. it was again and again. maybe he wasn't aware at the time. what is the reaction where you are to how the president is talking about harley now? >> reporter: well, an awful lot like the national polls. you will hear people who say this is insane. he picked a fight for no good
reason. here, other people say well, he is a good business man, he know what is he is doing. and other countries have been screwing us for years, and they buy into that narrative. really until there are layoffs, will you see any change. until they see it up close here as well, a lot of people are not having to choose their loyalty between harley davidson or donald trump. >> bill weir, thank you very much. more breaking news, polls closing in crucial primaries tonight. former republican potential nominee on the ballot and a convicted felony. polls closing at this moment. opv lasts through heat. through sweat.
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u.s. congressman michael grimm is fighting to get his job back. after being convicted of tax evasion, and also threatened a reporter asking about his finances. >> one the main reasons why i am running for congress is to forward president trump's agenda and the pro american agenda. >> reporter: his opponent dan donovan get the endorsement. trump tweeted there is no one bet tore represent the people of n. and staten island. despite that tweet, donovan was
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one top target, the president. >> as governor, i will confront trump when he attacks our values. >> reporter: also in maryland, ben carter. >> take the reigns of power from them. >> chelsea manning. manning was convicted of stealing and disseminating thousands of documents and video to wikileaks. president obama commuted his sentence in january of last year. >> when you go through all of those, incredible how many people and fascinating race that you have. michael grimm, how is he feeling about his chances tonight? >> reporter: i got off the phone with the campaign spokesperson