i think trump has a lock on that and historic win, i would not put desantis out for second place. >> mollie: another pro-con, he is most effective governor in the country. people look at his leadership and see what he's been able to accomplish in florida and think, i want this here. the con is he put everything on iowa. he was gling to win iowa and show he could take on donald trump. he did want to win this to make the case for getting the nomination and that is not likely to happen. >> emily: great point. there is are two desantises, the governor and the candidate. you had a great town hall, what did you learn about how they feel about desantis? >> harris: they love the fact he's done grassroots work and
hais important. he is closest thing to donald trump besides vivek ramaswamy but vivek ramaswamy does not have political gravitose. that is a point you and mollie made excellently. i caught him between iowa trips last summer and one thing for sure, he was spending time and money in iowa and putting all eggs in one basket. now looking at that state, it was not he was running against trump, he wanted to replace him and i don't know how you do that. trump has always been 45 to 50 of projected vote in iowa caucuses. not sure what his path was, it is interesting, he is skipping