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him, and can use him not only against donald trump, but against walt nauta when it comes to obstruction. >> let's talk strategy then. you indict this employees, incentivize him to flip, maybe he'll agree prior to indictment, but does jack smith really need this guy's cooperation, all things considered? how much do you need a guy like this low-level employee? >> it's a fair point. i don't think that the prosecutorors really need him or walt naufa. walt thinking he may have leverage, but he doesn't. the longer he waits, the worse of a deal he gets. there's an odd adage, first in, first to win. he has evan corcoran's notes.
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nauta lawyers moving on their own. it pushes things back just a couple of days, but ultimately that gets into the crunch time as campaign picks up for real. >> and at that point, i'm sure we will see trump himself asking for motions to continue. because he has rallies for older primaries to attend. and that is when we really will find out whether the justice system here is up to the challenge of trying a former and would be future president. >> kyle, the filing today from jack smith made quick haste with pointing out problems with walt. these attempts to be able to delay these hearings, one of which is that none of nauta's lawyers or security clearance, is it just another delay tactic on the part of nauta? >> i think it's true. i think he hasn't yet completed the paperwork to get his clearance to review the classified evidence and the doj, as part of this aggressive
special security issues involved in handling the classified documents that are evidence in the case. a defendant not a says that one of his two criminal defense lawyers say they cannot be president and for that day for the hearing, special prosecutor jack smith strongly object to the delay, pointing out that the court is already ruled that walt not as local florida lawyer, quote, must be ready to adequately represent the party at anytime. jack smith's team attacked attorney stanley woodward's claim that he could not meaningfully participate in the hearing, even if his schedule allowed, because he has not yet obtained the security clearance. jack smith's team pointed out in their filing today, quote, as of this writing, mr. woodward has yet to complete his form asked as 86, which is necessary for him to receive both an interim clearance and final adjudication, despite having been put in contact with a litigation security group on
means the alliance could expand even as it supports ukraine in the war against russia. meanwhile, a senior administration official tells nbc that president zelenskyy will meet with president biden on wednesday. i told you we had a lot to cover. so let's get smarter with the help of our leadoff panel, andrew dysentery oh joins, a senior congressional reporter for punchbowl new. barb mcquade is here, a veteran federal prosecutor and attorney for the eastern -- of michigan. and anthony coley, spokesperson under merrick garland is here as well with me at 30 rock. welcome. barb, i want to start to talk about the documents case. what sticks out to you in this activity that we are seeing before the trial? >> well, the word that comes to mind is delay. it seems that already we are seeing walt not a play the role of the human brain delay. donald trump is showing up on time, but it is walt nauta who delayed for some three weeks to
we saw this coming with walt not us donald trump codefendant lawyers saying, we want to post one his arraignment. we want to postpone it again. and they have been asking for delays. and he's not a foreign tactic to trump and legal proceedings. both presidential and part to that. which is to drag these things out. however, there is this idea and there is two folds to this. one, that if you get within 60 days of the election, doj policy is that you don't go forward with criminal charges that are going to affect the elections which may be why jacks mitt has been saying in his moving papers that it is the opposite of the public interest to have delays. we need to get through this case, now. so that we don't bump up against that. there are many in doj who believe that there is a 60-day rule. in fact, the 60-day rule is kind of the standard that was kind of made-up that they've gone by as a guideline. but it's not a rule. it's not a law. so, you see these cross tensions here. >> and judge aileen canton, the federal judge, is who will
get local council for his arraignment and now says that his other lawyer is not available to handle this classified information procedures act proceeding, that was getting put off until tuesday. and so we may continue to see this. in fact, one of the trump lawyers said they didn't want to even have the hearing in till after they had obtained their security clearances. the other lawyer for walt so i think that these are the tactics that one hopes that a judge would be very proactive, because, stephanie, it's not just the defendant who has a right to a speedy trial it's all that the public. this is why we see jack smith pushing very hard for a speedy trial. >> that takes me right to my next question. because donald trump's best defense seems to be delay, and there is a reason that he is doing that, because it has worked for him time and again. this judge, aileen cannon, has proven herself in the past to be an ally to donald trump. what responsibility does we
before the trial? >> well, the word that comes to mind is delay. it seems that already we are seeing walt not a play the role of the human brain delay. donald trump is showing up on time, but it is walt nauta who delayed for some three weeks to get local council for his arraignment and now says that his other lawyer is not available to handle this classified information procedures act proceeding, that was getting put off until tuesday. and so we may continue to see this. in fact, one of the trump lawyers said they didn't want to even have the hearing in till after they had obtained their security clearances. the other lawyer for walt nauta has not even completed the paperwork necessary to initiate the security clearance process. so i think that these are the tactics that one hopes that a judge would be very proactive, because, stephanie, it's not just the defendant who has a right to a speedy trial it's all that the public.
need to make these rulings pretty quickly from this point on. >> kyle, let's talk about the practical implications of this. while not is not charged in this indictment to be dealing with any of the crimes that were the classified documents crimes, meaning not a is looking at obstruction, false statements, and concealing. so, really how critical is it for walt not to currently travel his case along with donald trump's case. do you think that we could be seeing a perhaps diverging in the road here later on, we're maybe nauta go to trial separately than donald trump. >> it's a great question, i think you're right in the sense that nauta it is dreaming of the classified evidence in this case, it is not as jermaine to the charges he faces. s >> so the question i have. we'll defendants it looks to me that the defendants aren't planning to go to this classified scheduling hearing, maybe it's a bit too pro forma for them to participate but we