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News on his Newcastle place in Texas a 26 people have been killed and 20 injured in a shooting during a church service it happened in the small town of Sutherland Springs pull beef it is the pastor at the nearby River Oaks church we wouldn t believe that something like that would happen here I mean as a Sutherland Springs where we re not even an incorporated city we have a post office over here and a zip code and gas stations 2 churches and a Dollar General official said the victims right between 5 and 72 Mike Brooks is a former detective in the us economy Western white congregational words that are predominantly white so we don t have any way short upon it there we don t know white now in Chad are we going to be investigations by very cherished links right now sorry I really don t know what Margaret just person with a governor of Texas has called it the worst mass shooting in the state s modern history President Trump has described the shooting as a horrible act of evil confidential documents seen by the B.B.C. s Panorama program have revealed that 10000000 pounds of the queen s private money have been invested in offshore funds based in the Cayman Islands and Bermuda more than 13000000 documents money from the legal firm Apple they were leaked to a German newspaper which share them with the international consortium a message of journalists has panoramas which have built an Applebee work in u.k. 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But we should have asked them to do as one of our listeners has done on his own back you know we we we set out the. Question And he s decided to go one step further this is Charmion no. Of shields he says hi guys on up all night I love superheroes and the films are some very. Early ones in my d.v.d. Collection from the 1940 s. And 1950 s. One of my favorites one of my favorite movies is Superman Returns just a great story of the guy came back to Crips and and returning to find that he still needed I go as far as dressing up as my heroes for enclosed We know new rules are doing. I m going to have to disappoint I describe it yeah describe it . Lisa we just emailed it says well so widely so you can also describe it let me just say. Say that he has got the full Superman outfit out and there s underpants are on the outside of the costume. And they are eggs Krishi 18 me tight and. Actually I put this politely saw me in North Shields is an extraction large though my goodness my goodness and you see what I mean yeah yeah oh my how. I m not that you re very. Thank you it s not that funny is it how it is yes it is. Think It Is So I think it is. So we missed a trick I did say I will do you talk if he said he was not to take me would not tell you to be king of anybody you know me I m not into that but if you do feel like you want to send me a photograph of yourself in your favorite Superman outfit feel free. I am going to tweet this one to me with your permission appreciate it oh yeah I hope he allows me to see what I will tweeted as well and also put it on my Facebook page. Oh yeah just his way was I could just use e-mail us in so I mean it s Ok to me because people people contacted me now same please to Egypt he s treated please Teresa and you re going to be a star is going to go viral I assure you yes I mean thank you here in l.a. How did you squeeze into those on the prince is my question Gino for his Give us a good morning to tell you oh all. Right oh no what do you know all right it s like oh I love that I love a night like tonight that if that s. The only company that won t let my dog and she know so you have full and. Total player of the flavor and well let me get back I feel a feel for the dog especially the moonlit night like this you know it s as the Scots will say who was in that song who d small does moose lose a bit of this who s who. Was it simply a break through leaks needed Yes. It s a way of breaking news did you know that was Scottish. According to Lord rocking it was 11 and. So you finally see the room movies well I love the super duper hero he is always good but his bad. Script that won the full put. The out of history because color of the stuff the son passed but nobody gets killed although he nearly killed him so for make a film and a cause or effect he can. Get interesting. And ask what s his Louis said over and over they could say no we can t kill. This. Leave of shows they always show whether it s when role. You know I think 1st to kill you so that. Is fantastic it was feet by 18 years old now he s no. No no he s probably about 60 maybe or maybe late fifty s. Jackie John Howell look him up right now because he would have been his old is because I always say when people love Jackie Chan I always think gee they should love bristly because Bruce Lee s where Jackie Chan got it from and here previously had such a with these humor but it was brilliant he was so brilliant and he looks I fear this is I think Jackie Chan is a little more charismatic and Bruce Lee When Kim really oh you re Ok maybe I m not trying to funny but there maybe there is a female thing because I don t know I need a big not I generally don t know any gazes that have not had a crush on Bruce Lee at some point in their life you know. When he s 63 Jackie Chan is a great. Guy but he s made enough movies to be eighty s f.e.i. See if I actually had. Some of the topping is terrible really movies but. It s just like Aladdin and that s it. Go when you used to give. Prizes that I want to check you can. Call the place in the sale it was just a play it every so often used to say. And that s when Dave Aldridge used to give out from the good old days yeah. Well. You mention that the media s you ve seen a lot of them and the scripts are very good. Loans very good but just good little bit shadowless. Little variation you see those Yeah yeah do you need a few more than that in the kind of movie you re talking about do you need any more . But that s why Les St I don t like to watch while I live by their want to watch blood. Violence with violence fight till the sink although I don t see why why superhero has to be about as well as trying to write will the whole if evolution. And I spoke of Jackie Chan movies are family entertainment and what Jean describes is the ultimate family entertainment no real deaths no bad language and just good reveals a bully Toyoko face trying test pick out this choreography as well as Scott will defy choreography Oh yeah oh right Mario was a hell of a way the n.e.a. Ballet would be pleased to see some of this stuff he says because if color. Starts there s a cynical sometimes it just reminds me of those Roman Atkinson adventures and chocolate bar. Or the low road. When he s not feeding himself Oh. I try to know what. I me to try not to lose either way tell all who try to look a little less. So I think joys of Mrs Miller Miller Yeah. I appreciate his singing well as its recommendation from you I will not only listen to Mrs Miller I will listen to this cave in. Saying he s listening to it s my pleasure to laugh if I reach like place from my yes yes that. I go just ask gently and nicely by the way it s one of those nights my lovely sister is back and she s so loving. And thank you for being so loving on the phone and Jade thank you very much and yeah have a good night good night Strictly speaking the release of Jackie Chan s who question. Well yeah yeah I don t think you know he doesn t wear tights and he doesn t have a superpower although some would say that his martial arts skills are super power you know with especially That is they yeah they re there they re way beyond what a mere mortal could do so I think that s an interesting question that she raised you know I ll tell you what women like about about Jackie Chan more than. Jackie Chan more than gently or. Jackie Chan is more amiable and he s funny and he s friendly. Lee was more he was scary he was threatening he was dangerous and he didn t have much of a sense of humor in any means even if he was really so good go and go and go and go you go and you go in a limo So anyway that s what I m saying from a female point of view I mean everyone every man I know who is into martial arts just you know is you know that they think Jackie Chan s kind of goofy in comparison . But women women find that not as threatening and not as scary and safer I think so that s why we got to lean towards Jackie Chan and then plus we re not as well versed well at least I personally am not as well versed on the the arch you know why they call martial arts you know the actual execution of it all. It s you know that s that s something that big fans of the genre are probably not as big fans of Jackie Chan as they are. By the way all systems are go he stand we have a go he s done we have a go told me in North Shields and said Yes by all means retreat the photo it s on my social media you would not believe the views I gave. Also great comments from my many fans laugh yeah if they think you are seen from outer space they would they would. But you re not I m just going to add to your thing me where high panty. Well that s what Kurt say that is what it s telling me there s a there s a why me I m just a couple words people. Yeah anyway thank you for that so we appreciate. Your my social media when I was free and I m going to enjoy looking that for many many years to come. Less for across a proper superhero for Grow I ask about this is what this is to be talking about tonight with regards to superhero movies that have great storylines. Yes Chief films from coaches to town is Brucey says the Count of Monte Cristo played by Jim Carrey seal is this very different perspective killings are yabbies old very different perspective yet it always seems very surprise she p. Hero esque with redemption at the very scripts hot. C.p.u. Is. Greg I think that s a stretch Yeah I think it is a great book that was kind of months of Crusoe one of my all time favorite books it s just a book and that s a really good cinematic version of it that when he s talking about with him can they sell it was that was I thought that was very convincing that was that was a good one to the reason I didn t is. That well I m going to do the films I was I think I think he was yeah. Well no. Ok but not a bad update not a bad at let s put it that way and I think that s a book that deserves a you know it deserves a cinematic treatment for every generation and such a great story I mean that does have a great story even if it s not about superheroes. Markku j. Folks in d.c. Will. I think that s more of a that s more than like the horror genre would you say I mean not that wins not that that was horrifying but it was more of a humorous who re film I think than a superhero film Ok Because if we don t want to confuse our monsters with. The same be particularly enjoyed when he became well Wolf and played amazing Boscobel. That was plenty What about James Bond doubling as 7. I knew someone was going to bring that out of a gravity they have you know and we were actually my husband and I were discussing that earlier when we were talking a you know we re just talking about our favorite superhero movies and. Actually I think James Bond I think a good argument can be made for him being a superhero because hey he seems impervious to damage I mean you know he gets shot me gets beaten up and he gets knifed and all that and me never dies and also if Batman is a superhero without any superpowers but just super gadgets why not James Bond I think the reason why he qualifies is that he s up against super villains and to be up against the supervillain sure I m not an old Rino ordinary person should be up against a super villain that s an unfair match and it would work cinematically if you got a super villain you need a superhero to match up with the super villain that s a great point and you know what his superpower might be would be wit. That is not a power that s just something natural that we English have. A stupor with though and it might get them out of drama but it s a mental trouble to have of course you know I was especially the women anyway this is not a story this is your explanation to the difference between Jackie Chan and. Bruce Lee that you were asking about my pendant says Jackie Jackie Chan Coolio Lee had faced a few boom boom and said sure and he was prettier by far the Jackie that said straight answer very true may however the Silver Surfer was edgy about why did you have to bring in the Silver Surfer Kumari going to be a predator or that. Jack says Great is superhero George Best Man you know do you get that one which were Mr George Best joined United Man United are a soccer team over here and. The 5th Beatle as he was known in those days. Ok. David Hitchens with us good morning David and I don t. Yet know anybody. L.o.l. I mean. I was like I m an older person I see forgetting things I have to at least think to include you know into one line sometimes it s Lisa he said. Lisa thank goodness I m glad you got a better memory than me. Just going to written down I wouldn t know you thank you for giving me advice in front of a. Don t even get into my if you have. No no you can get to those Mandela Johnson that work. For Johnson Mandela you have been saying that call the other way around up to. And I don t think you know which of the simply refuse the grace groups well I just can t join the queue of everybody. Saying the 1st Amendment. Because it was just totally human I mean we see him leave this planet in that all star thing. Right on earth and then become the child of the 2 from a papal forward yes yes and about 3 years old we see him lift up the back of the truck much to his that surprise. You remember that so yeah of course it s very close. And then later on a cozy a join a newspaper. And Match Lois Lane and all that sort of thing and then we call come across Lex Luthor who decided going to open up the San Andreas fault and increased the value of. What was recorded. So I property by destroying half of California. But in that process Lois lines car fell into the crack in the road because it was dealing with a thing else including become a rail for a super speed train so it was a 2nd while didn t it that s right yeah of course and they then found out that Lois Lane a died through that earthquake anyway and actually the red liquid Madden . Oh is this the scar and yelled or what everybody said and then he decided he was going to change this and he flew a real only backwards. Nose space station you couldn t even see he was there was just a lark around the world turn the world back was turned trying by which so they could bring her back to life so it s all good oh I. Say hello they Yeah he brought it back to life. Well and that is all so very human. Beings Game of Thrones in a Game of Thrones and you could never see who that Lois Lane either but why do you think David if because you like you say about the 4th person is wrong I said No no it s it s that 1st Superman movie that s got the best story line of all why do you think then Hollywood didn t follow that template with the subsequent superhero movies why did they get more and more source of less story line lead to more and more action packed on I wonder if it s because of this c.g. Only business way to produce impossible things. Mr Wynn Silverman was my it was about 9756 or so not that. Nothing has him to 9. 177 elegant overnight to 77 is definitely 7870 not Ok because our mind by that time our military My little cousin there you know. 7870. Ran Christmas time and I think it was the winter of discontent actually that winter where the dustbin men didn t take away the rubbish because I think we went to West End theatre and there were black rubbish bin bags all over the place you know in those days oh yes yes I m thinking of the c.g.i. Business changed. The whole nature of movie night thing didn t it instead of stay on sets which a lot people had to work on to produce. They could suddenly do the blue screen and also it would likely extrinsic a Chinese in that time and we were seeing things on film that we were never allowed to see before. And effectively it became too much slam bang and. People doing bleeding off the things to one of the. Abilities of the value. Yeah I think what he says I think it s the c.g.i. I think I think Hollywood has been really obsessed with what they can do it in the switching on show didn t the c.g.i. Come later than that much less or an army a decade later. Yeah yeah and but but if you remember that I mean they had that you know they were Superman I think and then you know they started doing Spider-Man with Tobey Maguire although that was several years later too but there were there was an overabundance of Superman of superhero movies and the seventy s in the eighty s that weren t that many that they didn t start really coming big until the ninety s and so and you know in the ninety s that was when people were really flexing their c.g.i. Muscles and that in a beginning to they they rediscovered the comic strip origins of the c.p.u. As in a minute yes as you Judge Dredd and that man and everything else oh yeah yeah. Yeah and that you know all the studios bought it the rights that you know some at d.c. Comics and some had some had Marvel Comics and people started buying the franchises right left and and they started they were well then you know into the next century they were an X.-Man and Fantastic 4 and you know so many in so many now people are looking at the. Side what do you know the ones that weren t as prominent ones that were not author milieu with Indiana. Indiana Jones is a. No no then you can venture that s an adventure film but not enough superhero not most if you are from because the late ones were a big kind of supernatural supernatural Yeah yeah with the yeah with the tombs and the gods in the you know those kind of things. You know well this is added the James one has the ultimate superpower it s not the way it is that he s British Well that s right. And nobody s told one of those bed. This is true nobody is talking about Kick-Ass yet says David Lincoln. I can t guess what a fun one yeah that s on the list of a top 50 greatest superhero movies guess what a lot of fun I really like that and Will Smith in and causes David Darby a lot of the stories it s got here man is ultimately about redemption should there be redemption at the end of a superior movie some form of redemption other has to be there has to be some form of redemption I mean you know in the epic battle at the end and someone is saved someone is that is redeemed. Yeah I was always there has to be redemption that s and that s an important part of it yeah. Also. About Jackie Chan You have George Best I was a good joke for those of us from over here although I m sorry Jack as you heard Lisa didn t have a clue what you talk about which is really a shame. No less will go a couple of other thoughts about the. Personally I feel Wonder Woman is one of the most overrated c.p. Heroes movie says Del in London branded stand why women like it my favorite is Captain America Winter Soldier to see Piero movie but it s presented like a spy thriller that s genius of battle c j z d c b are movies but present the been different film genres to keep their films fresh and different 1st of all that thing of understanding why women like. This it just because it would see prettier. Oh for for Wonder Woman. Well it takes Ok it s a period piece to. Hughes she s dealing with people in World War one. And I think. Me in particular I know a lot of women love period pieces you know we love you know we d love to to go back to a different a different time and. And so you know that s that s Wonder Woman s there and that s one of the also going to be a During things about Captain America that s one of the reasons that people like that so much I think is because Eve got the vintage quality to it. You know some of that that time worn by Tina too in the glamour of. An era that happened you know that took place before we were born so that s it but the origin of Wonder Woman is one of the favorite parts in the island where she comes from and the women the female warriors training and you know perform all these it s sort of that island is a little bit it has a game of thrones feel to it you know it s it s that kind of place and and all the women are very strong and brave and noble and it s just so refreshing to see a number of women like that and then one stand out and go forth and save the world and be really dedicated to good into heart into love she says that s why mankind should be saved because they have the power to love. And it s very romantic actually got a couple for watchman Matt in Devon says watch when or if you prefer something much more lighthearted maybe Flash Gordon and the phrase a milk machine he s a frozen milkmen in West Sussex is the best for me as watchman a best c.p.a. Hero movies ever born trilogy vulnerable exploited a very human character says Ross rose in Lancaster. He s got a point. But no no Jason Bourne s another one that he really doesn t have any super powers I know. If we allow James body for the will from the British after that Jason Bourne as well but well he doesn t have any he doesn t have any cool gadgets either or the less scrap of immediately that other than his fists Yeah yeah exactly. Ok well there s lots more by the way lots more. Well question is a question superhero versus supervillian jewels I think the best friend would be the Incredible Hulk vs the doomsday beasts but that was going Jimmy Carter says Watchmen as well as a c.p. Hero movie a good story here which when everything good gives Superman one a run for its money. Yet what Watchmen is a that s got a real cult following Yeah yeah it s either oh and Sony would have to go for Kick-Ass as well. And it kind of a construction he puts the c.p.u. Right thing which is true isn t it it s a Dell Yeah struction of the c.p.u. Or anything I m 59 he s out of Northumberland I love Dr Who and the Daleks. To his c.p. Hero in the stuff it was today did he do you know don t see him they said yeah well you know and that s an interesting one to bring up because his superpower would be what time travel I guess which is I consider that a super. Beller a hole and there s yeah you need a phone box to do an old fashioned police phone books have the latest this is really a pleasure as always is lots and lots of takes about this and thank you to everybody you contribute to really fascinating photos this morning all about superheroes and the best storylines in Superior movies later thank you thank you Lisa Jaws the man delve a chill of course Richard Miller we talk about movies are up for this good the late is for I love her blood star is Nick Paton. Lloyd pretty early for anyone else this is b.b.c. 5 Live playing governor of Texas says 26 people have been killed and 20 more wounded by a gunman who opened fire at a Baptist church it happened in a small town called Southern Springs the suspect was later found dead in his car millions of confidential documents have been leaked which shed light on the scale of offshore investments the paper s seen by the B.B.C. s Panorama program and other global media organizations reveal the activities of prominent investors is thought the managers of the Queen s finances put $10000000.00 pounds into funds based in the Cayman Islands and Bermuda there s no suggestion that tax was avoid it right in Manchester Police are investigating the possible abduction of a young girl a bonfire night event officers of search vehicles leaving Manchester s Heaton Park and the conservative m.p. Chris pincher has voluntarily stood down as a government Web following allegations by Tory activists that he behaved inappropriately He also referred him self to the party s complaints procedure and the police those are your 5 headline shop I m Eunice Jewel has your sport Chelsea boss Antonio Conti says a lack of handshake between him and Josie Marine yo after their 10 win over Manchester United is not important it s important to win the game victory moves them a point behind United and Tottenham who are 2nd and 3rd respectively Marino has also played down the incident it was all private a whirlwind which is in the middle of the picture all while I was there I should. Nancy the people that that was there I think one of them was his brother assistant so I feel by shaking the hands of is rather And it s the other assistance I feel that I did my duty I cannot go and run to chance and United at 8 points behind leaders munches to city who be Arsenal 31 city 2nd goal came from a penalty after not shown real was adjudged to have brought down Raheem Sterling one of a number of decisions inventor was far from happy with I believe it was no pretty it was a provoked pretty biased turning when over 2 dives Well it does very very well for goal was offside and. Very upset because it 21 we were in the game and we looked like we could score we had many dangerous situations but the 1st goal was a killer is by coincidence or is a mystery exam made for the home team as we know elsewhere it s not nimby Crystal Palace one Millwall wants the lead a 2 goal lead slip to lose 3 to Everton and give David owns with his 1st victory as cats a command of every possible emotion that their football much could bring was probably not 2nd half despair jubilation and desperation at times but you know in the end sheer joy for this wonderful club that we ve managed to get to with the victory for Everton move them out of the bottom 3 with West Ham dropping into the relegation zone b.b.c. Sport in the stands the future of manager village is set to be decided over the next 48 hours and talks with David Moyes have already taken place about him succeeding Bill h. 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I want shot to record back to back victories on the European Tour Rose also won in Shanghai last week I think this is a 1st I m going back to back in my career literally week on week at the last I m going to do them I ve been a week off in between the 2 sets of roles and form into you know internal autonomy live is wonderful and now everyone is different and you never get tired of it obviously you know and the challenge in different ways so you kind of always learning almost like a new skill every time you win win the Elliott Daley has returned to the England squad ahead of Saturday s game against Argentina after initially being ruled out with a knee injury Marc Selby Mark Allen $107.00 to retain the International Championship title in China and Jack Sock when the price masters to qualify for the season ending a.t.p. 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Obviously I can see how that would be a very popular type of subject for pod cause because you can t go wrong everybody was to know how to make food and get suggestions on food and just keep them in their locker if nothing else even if they don t try the margins on and also there are so many ways I suppose to sell food you know comedically intellectually historically and all that kind stuff it can t fail surely as a podcast had no I mean it s it is a very very short when you search on your recommended your favorite part of cats that culture Yeah it s a very very. Widespread thing but you know feed in particular is there s a lot of like you said there s lots to get wasted to package that up but yeah it s one of those things way if you want to listen to something in particular you re bound to found that but you re bound to find what you re looking for out there but your 1st recommendation is to do with language and again I wonder if you do it right this is an easy one for a pod cause because you know we do our own gramophone you know how people are so passionate about I guess. You know one of those 2 blows you do that gramophone you know view over love. Because you can goes so many did we all use language one thing and we are all fascinated by language different ways of using images dreams or and if you get the right people I think it s crucial that you get the right people to present a podcast on language otherwise it will sound a bit too academic if you want a wide audience Yeah absolutely I mean it s all about the way they tell him as they say so this podcast in particular is it s called and that s what they say it s from n.p.r. And it essentially started from a 5 minute segment in a radio show that s kind of the. Loss and into it s own part cast so part of a radio show on Michigan Radio in the States and what happened is university professor and bass he studies linguistics and history of the English language just popped into the studio to just talk around a little nice to the English language and got a little segment in itself grew up and has its own fan base now and it s still on Michigan Radio every Sunday you can hear it on a program with their woman called Rena Miller and I would really recommend this one if you re interested in particular of the science of of what language and in particular that the chronological order the evolution of language and how how words and expressions came came about and how we use them in the modern world and it s like I said it s only 5 minutes long so it doesn t take that much time and in this particular clip they talk about the difference between shall and will. There s a rule out there that creates a clear distinction between now and I will but we as speakers do not seem to respect that mine and it looks like we never have that s what they say good morning I m Rebecca crew friend joining us now is University of Michigan English professor and Kurz And good morning and good morning Rebecca and I don t know where that line is that I already know that I don t respect it I never have you and pretty much everyone else I was floored by the way this came to me this question came to me from my friend s daughter apart Gita who was asking about the lesson that she had just learned from her 4th grade teacher and her 4th grade teacher had been telling her that when she was talking about the future she should say I shall and we shall but he she it will they will and you will have you ever heard this rule No and I m starting to question my English degree. If your head is spinning you are not alone this rule goes back to a grammar published by John Wallace in the 17th century and the idea was that for the future you expressed it differently in the 1st person I and we versus the 2nd person you and the 3rd person he she it they for future you would say I we shall and for all the other ones you would use will and then for obligation as in something you need to do have to do you would say I will we will but he she it they shall So what if it s both an obligation and it s happening in the future if it s an obligation then you re supposed to use the whether it s will or shout for the obligation now people have looked into this to say even in the 70. Century was this how the language worked and it looks like no there s a wonderful entry on this in Merriam Webster s Dictionary of English usage and they ve got examples from for example John Dryden where he s using. To express obligation as well as future so you can see people going back and forth here s a nice example from Lord Byron 816 I shall delay it till it can be made in person and then I will shorten it as much as I can Merriam Webster in that guide has a wonderful conclusion and here I quote the traditional rules about shall and will do not appear to have describe real usage of these words very precisely at any time though there is no question that they do describe the usage of some people some of the time and that they are more pleasurable in England than anywhere else that probably is the case in all you have to do is mention little bar and you ve got me . But we didn t need the music at the very top did we don t. Yeah I suppose it s when you re producing a pod cast one of the biggest questions I always get asked you know what do you have to do to do podcasts and as you very well know it s it s a platform where you can do what you like but yeah I suppose it is only 5 minutes I get straight to the point and it s a nice bite size weekly thing if you re if you want to brush up on your your knowledge of the English language I do I do I do but I also want to know like a lot of our listeners how do you sleep not you personally how does one sleep at night. So I ve talked about a.b.c. In Australia quite a few times in the past and they ve just had a lot of. Investment in step pod casting brunch and how do you sleep at night is a fairly new podcast hosted by Sarah McVeigh and the concept is pretty simple it s about people who do a job. Which you don t necessarily on the well I say you in the widest sense the word Talk about English language that a lot of people don t understand why they do the jobs that they do and so they talk to people maybe in the financial sector section segments and they talk to people and who do jobs that don t necessarily morally see it doesn t seem to make sense and you know from you know get they game hunting is. People it work in the alcohol tobacco industry and it s produced in a really nice way as he expect from a national broadcaster like a.b.c. And. It s one of those things where it really does make you think and talking and listening to somebody from the industry talk about a job opens your eyes to their. When I 1st asked them to speak to me they said they have a new strategy they ve decided to be more open with the media they said. They ve invited me to a party they have put on for the great business community they re around 40 men sitting around there for you eating fets he can a pace and drinking expensive champagne to understand where we are Patrick s tall claims shaven and comfortable in a shop Suit. His job is to impress people and he s got his lines ready edged out of the spin around over a very very cold fact we have survived all those small prints that you all know the struggles that history it s a very very long time people have been using to buy the products 100. Products were 1st commercialized the $1508.00 a w.h.o. Estimates still will be around billions of dollars in the world and 23rd quality to the World Health Organization is bolshy and we re so thrilled to give them some of their time to come here to listen to our. Vision and share vision. Thank you very. Much. I m curious to know how someone becomes a tobacco lobbyist Does anyone have a say when I grow up I want to work for a cigarette company. At David McCullough I m free We ve got you but you for my boat say. I can see with a scone I can understand it s not what I was expecting and often enough as and as I spend my time surfing the net for interests important cause I often for myself cooking on or downloading a podcast that is the. The product is different from what I expected it to be or the execution of it is different words but to do it to be foods on top and sometimes oh love child love to disappointed you know I thought slightly disappointed. Really this is the way she goes into a subject I suppose. It when she talks she sits down with the person and she she she asked quite like hey questions and for me it s something I don t usually think about I don t smoke myself I m always interested in people who do jobs and I suppose if you re curious nature about how the world works I suppose it just gives you another insight into industries that you don t necessarily understand. You see then you clipped the wrong thing because if I d seen her going to war up close and personal somebody from the tobacco industry and said How do you sleep at night you know you re industry kills millions of people every day how do you sleep at night how can you face yourself in the morning that s what I expected Well I suppose that clip demonstrates the production valleys of you know actually actual ism in terms of recording. Was actually literally lobbying at that point and that s what I particularly found interesting it actually shows him doing his job. And I suppose that fits it s not a journalistic program it s more the case of just giving you that that that that little bit of insight in what makes him tick and that is interesting that you talk about the journalism because this is the one area which podcast differ as opposed from a recognized radio program is that you don t have to be balanced you know you can go on a tangent and not present the balancing point of view absolutely and you know broadcasters like a.b.c. There and the baby say to that extent you know you tried that line between journalistic impartiality and actually making a program that is engaging you can be both of course but you know it s one of those things where you do need to be careful in terms of the programs you pick and if you re trying to do something from a journalistic. Journalistic integrity ask I don t know. Is cult cult historical figure if literary fictional historical figure if you like my way so anything that could you can say is reading is proper culture s drug. Yes So it s it is one of those things that part of casting if you re into something in particular you can type in your favorite artist your favorite writer of your favorite t.v. Personality and so there will be something for you and there is consequence a for us move our birds to the original could succeed see as a young person in Roots the t.v. Series Oh I see it as a reference yes really put a bar bet I funny enough I know only from from podcasting I know it sounds crazy I know money for roots I recognized in one night when I saw his face from Star Trek and he is obviously this amazing television legend especially in the States but what I love about our Betson is his voice he s got the most incredible voice and I think he s built up or a station. Particularly in storytelling in the States and now around the world and part casting is the perfect medium for him and his personality and his voice to come across. And in this podcast reads he picks he hand picks himself a piece of short fiction and reads the story and you know sure it fiction fits perfectly for the time that you generally listen to a pod cast. And for me this this one group s me from the very start a smallish touch in the beginning and then he goes on to read it in its very idiosyncratic way and he picks new and very exciting writers they usually want to wards as well and in this particular story is called a 1000 year old ghosts if you re ready let s take a deep breath. Ok . 1000 year old ghosts by Laura Choudhary. d popo taught me to pickle memories when I was 13 it s just like Hugh Cumbers radishes cabbage I learned to cut them into even squares. Memories cut like apples a knife slides through the protective skin with a crisp snap I packed them in jars filled with salt sugar vinegar and water no herbs and spices because they can distort the memories make them seem too sweet. Too bitter it s a family secret she said to me it allows you to forget forget why I asked anything for getting does not come easily to the women in our family we have our jars what are we trying to forget. So many questions chop this into smaller pieces. Well. There were great outer as you say it isn t classic in the choice of what he chooses the as well debut with Americans was not about rational. Americans is in terms of culture it s very topical and very much reflective of the American society and the politics that are going on over there at the moment that hosts Amy chat and Rebecca thread talk culture and identity what makes modern Americans American and it s a very reflective cultural commentary on race politics. And. This seems to be a lot of soul searching going on in the States at the moment and the direction that the country is going and this is essentially. A pod cast which tries to bring a positive light to the diversity that is that you find in the United States and in this particular clip I mean Rebecca discuss lives The Secret Lives of immigrant parents who took a chance to immigrate to the u.s. From Cambodia a few years ago Valerie who lives in l.a. Called her mom in Seattle to ask about those 1st years in the States. So we have a sponsor when they talk at the church every Sunday was that weird at 1st kind of weird and then I kind of like that because I got the part to people they teach me how to speak English but where Burgess I don t know how to tell them because you had to respect them when they bring you here you know so I had to follow them do you remember what it felt like when you 1st like went out shopping it s all American people are fairly Asian and then Miami very close different or I will wear so wrong and then I will go to shop with you and you try to have my me carry all the grocery store American people are not always like Oh my daughter you thought you had to have your mom so you were in you know like early twenty s right when you came 21 but I feel like I m not $21.00 you know I always feel like a mom s and I was 15 Did you like want to dress like you Americans because you know it s like that early eighty s mommy to go total food bank pick up some clothes you know it s all cool but there s still good but I become I go to school people thing I was like stylist oh my Go on I think you go shopping all the time I said no food . In Cambodia they look down to you you know when mummy don t care because on a person I just tell that you ll. Remember like a favorite outfit you found that was exciting the b.-o. Bar. But they looked so cute on mine so I m so exciting. When I was free via the bill bottom one time my brother almost killed me ko he thing that too sexy or something you don t want me to wear and now I can wear. And did you like try like the eighty s hair styles I go poking my head one time to cut my hair short so my hair look you know yeah I remember those elections. Yeah I like that who did the perm or you did you go to like a salon or know mommy really cheap so I got me and she come to a How I call pinball. Yeah real life stories history seem to be made for podcast we should all do that we should all record parents and grandparents stories of life in their day because that s real history you know I mean yes absolutely it s fascinating and some of the stories they uncover fantastic it s from n.p.r. I d recommend it to anyone which is one of the would recommend the most I can t get enough of it has to be that one I ll go for how do you sleep at night despite my criticism it s a good idea and I think you ll work this into the holy city and David. Stable. It s we are stable.