middle class tax relief act, we need to comply with by 2014. >> gretchen: it seems like a no brainer to the average american citizen that why would there be these kinds of loopholes when we're facing such a huge deficit in this country and people are really upset about fraudulent activity? >> sure. i come from a district that has been devastated by hurricane sandy and any dollar that comes into new york state is something we need desperately to make sure it's being used properly. people who are on temporary assistance, we need to make sure they can get the funds that they need and how do we do that unless we eliminate waste? >> brian: you also want to get it on the merchants, whether it's a strip club or whether any of these place, they should be actually responsible and they should be legally liable. >> yeah. this legislation would provide a provision for civil penalties for both the seller and the buyer, as well as prevent atm's that are located in casino, liquor stores or adult entertainment facilities to accept these ebt cards.
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