input, that it would be david wildstein who would go and make the phone call to trenton. whether he's talking to christie, himself, or somebody, he would be -- >> he was the eyes and ears. >> right. it raises the question to me, a guy like chip michaels who knows christie better than your average port authority cop who might know wildstein from livingston better than your average port authority cop. what i'd be interested in asking him, isn't your impression that governor christie wanted to happen? is it your impression he knows about this? >> right, you're going to want no know as this fight is happening, as this fight is escalating and christie, himself, said the life in this agency is basically a universe of unceasing warfare between new york and new jersey. that is what life inside the port authority is. it's a bizarre agency. there's lots of money on the line. and the two sides are fighting each other tooth and nail every day. as this thing's erupting, you're going to want to know on the other side of this thing, am i dealing with the governor here or not? right? >> right. no, and so that's the surprising
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