>> certainly it all depends upon the details, kasie, but here's what really bothers me. the president came out a couple days ago and said that part of the value of hisolicy of separating kids from parents is it gives him legislative leverage. it is unacceptable in my mind, i think in the minds and hearts of any american that someone can justify a policy of deliberate harm to children, as a way to gain legislative leverage. we need to do right for these kids, regardless of any other pieces of immigration puzzle. >> and kasie, i think it's been well established that there's no law currently that requires president trump to do this. that has been shown to be patently false. that is a lie. this is a deliberate policy change which is why you see a sudden spike over the last six weeks in the number of kids separated from their parents. president trump could right now
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