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Say for nothing about your professional experience and who you were, who you are who have you become who do you feel now more military now my brain works 24 7 like a military i study i work for me these are standards of understanding learning communication people new experience charter ee new technologies thats all my all my brain is busy 24 7 im physically er than four months while im in the infantry. I think the third time and the third time, uh, something to do with the funeral. And 40 days was the day before, i thank you for being here. I follow you on social networks and i know that, among other things, you not only came to honor ostaps memory with your family, you also came to be with your other children from what you wrote on instagram i wanted to go to the zoo with my younger brother and andriyk, did you do it . What emotions did he have . He was fascinated. When i arrived, he couldnt leave me. So i was on my way and i explained to him that i would soon leave and return to him. That well i have to leave because i cant take him he you know like a wrapper like a part of me he looks a lot like me and he needs me i saw how he met you its so much more maybe these little hands reach for your neck and he looked at you from the train. This video from the apostle seems to be your wife for valentina and for him, this meeting is like a breath of fresh air. You have come for a few days. I try to video call my parents and family every day and talk to him every day, but its still a video. I havent actually been home for a year. They want me to return, when i became older, my daughters wanted to somehow sit down and talk with me so that i wouldnt return, and i understood that they just didnt have enough strength, i dont know, you know, they understand that this is an unacceptable topic for me and they want to talk and and and well, this conversation did not work out, but andrei, do i understand correctly, and legally you have the opportunity to return from the war, now you have many children, yes. That is, i am a free person , i am a free person even. Dear moment, that is, its not really a question, can i or cant we, we are all free people and we are all free to choose what we want and everyone can do what he can, everyone can, i dont know, go somewhere er, cross some polish border or take some thing that he volunteer, who cares . Everyone has their own story, their own attitude to this, their own vision of themselves in this process. I dont want to judge anyone, its not my task, eh. I think its everyones choice, despite love. For you to be at home, your personal desire to be there at the front to the last i understand correctly aand you know at the front you meet completely different people aand its such a palette its not like that uhuh you live here you have some kind of circle and this circle is somehow formed and it somehow er, these people somehow rallied around you to go you are in this bubble, especially when you are a little older, not up to, not 20, not 30, and you too, if you were in this bubble here and you are in completely new conditions, completely new people of different ages and backgrounds, some are military, some are not, and i have a very nice one a new comrade who told me such a thing he is a professional military man and he said i realized in the war that everything around its just like uh husk like garbage the main thing is that we are here to win and we have to use the positions of each of us in order to win in order to win and Everything Else is nothing because if something prevents a person, for example , from using his or her own skills, then we say that a person cannot be here or he should be somewhere else, but in general, in general, once er we are all in order to in order to win the rest it all Means Nothing in august it will be a year since you went to the front and before that you had no military training apart from the army behind you er look i er always he treated the army. How do you know the attitude towards the Prosecutors Office . Some caste of things, i. E. , the attitude towards them, as they say, is it a subtraction, well, before i entered the army, i had Something Like, uh, attitude towards, i ll explain why, uh, that is, i became a father at 18 years old , when you become a father. In you there is a year from the deferment and you extend this year of deferment every year, then i lived to be 28 years old in this status, 28 years old, my mother gave birth to me in 33 , accordingly, she was already retiring then , accordingly, my mother was on the receiving end and i had the opportunity not to join the army again and i just physically did not get into it i always considered that this is a waste of time, that this is an absolutely useless waste of time, that is, i have always treated it this way, and thats all , yes, that is , at the time of mobilization. Uh, well, you know that one, little one. Yes, i found it, and it was. That this is my Registration Certificate and physically. I mobilized with this document. Physically, you were ready because you played sports. Sports are always with you , but not from a Military Point of view. See sport and the army are two completely different things, yes. In my life, i tried it for almost 8 months. Cesulfa is the center of special centers of special operations, alpha. Yes , despite the fact that i am the oldest there, the oldest, yes, the average age of the team was about 30. Out of 302 people with me, one and a half people could run more or less at the same level, this means that if i had the task of swinging so how did i do it easily that means that a person could run with me in the principle of running and at the same time she did not lost consciousness yes, this is so alfa yes if we transfer to the infantry then the situation in the infantry hmm i only have one colleague who can run with me there about 12 10 km thats again if i dont water uh and hes 22 years old he is physically very well prepared, that is, he went to the gym, he worked out. I see how he eats. Well, that is, he is one people, and if we take a brigade , well, maybe we will find a couple more people there who have been involved in sports professionally somewhere and they will be somewhere between 20 and 25 years andriy i want to talk about life in relatively peaceful kyiv. And you have an opinion on this matter. When did you bring ostap here, and you said that kyiv does not look like the capital of a warring country, that life is raging here and everything is not as it was at the front, what did you say . In mind, and what should the capital of a warring country look like according to your subjective vision. Okay, what is my subjective vision . I was born in the soviet union, yes, how was the position of komsomol pioneers formed there about the great patriotic war . We were shown some films. We saw some well, that is it there was something on the brink of disaster yes, uh, in such and such a state, if i had grown up, yes, plus , my grandmother told me something in parallel, plus , i had some stories along the perimeter, this is how my consciousness was formed, i am coming here. First, i took the children out there for pizza, i dont know, in the Shopping Center there, i took them to a pizzeria there, i dont know where, okay, that is, i spent time with the children. Well, that is, except for some misunderstanding, in fact, suddenly experiencing anxiety, well, like love, where sat here sat in a cafe here something happened there, they became with such faces and go out somewhere and they dont like it. In principle, there is no danger here. You havent seen a woman. Well, of course, there are women there for three months and three weeks. Well, you just havent seen her, and when you see her, you know shes like, er, something , yes, and here you are in the background. Normal city normal i mean kyiv, even though the dnipro is the same there even the cover looks like this despite the fact that pokrovsk is generally 6070 km from the front line, yes, pokrovsky there are simply more soldiers there and there is no such concentration there, now i look there with my eyes , i have not seen a single military there, but in pokrovsk this does not happen that is, the number of soldiers there is still there. There is approximately one in five, or maybe one in four, and everything is okay there, that is, everything is fine. Someone is writing something, someone is calling someone, etc. Microproblems how do you explain such an enlightening contrast of people here who notice the war and those who frankly do not want to notice it i dont even hide it see everything is perceived at the level of sensations er sensations what are the sensations er explosion er some destruction, they have not been here for a long time because there , uh, the administration of the president , the administration of the uh, everyone is working to make sure that we have good ppps , but they are there and physically, kyiv has not had any damage for a long enough time, and this is on a tactile level, it is completely different story and you there is an explosion there for you, for example, i dont know 50 m 120 mm mines eh, its not so scary and even if it happens there once, eh, i dont know there at three to five minutes, its not so scary yes, you can just find some kind of trench, sit in this trench and there is something flying somewhere, even here some pieces of earth are flying here and there, and its completely different. Well , its all at the level of sensations, this family will not win after that largescale invasion on march 8. E older children in vienna for a month and they are in the area of ​​the first in may, they already returned, well, on march 8, we had just the beginning of such a situation there, because the front line was close to us, about 7 km, the nearest point was where the artillery was stationed and Something Like that. There was such an inner sense of danger that they could go further and it was a decision about such a diversification of the family. In other words, we simply sent the older children in order to. Well, if suddenly something happens so that they would stay alive, arent you of the opinion that you can i wont see you because i personally have them there were thoughts when the fullscale invasion began, well, i didnt have anything like that, somehow i was confident in myself , for example, i had a feeling that if we leave the house now, we may not return. Well, we may not return home. Thats what she had. She had a feeling and she didnt want to go, well, that is, its not that im there and i persuaded. No, we had an absolutely clear idea about this that were not going anywhere. Inside me, i understood that if the line would fit of the front, as soon as he parked the car , he took them to the odesa highway and got out of the car himself turned back, i had such a feeling inside , i didnt tell anyone about it but i understand that i had to do everything, but they lived in this state until the end of february, i can say until the third week of march, when in the third week they started talking about what irpin buch is about to be released and i have already developed such curiosity about what is happening there. I started going there. This is the story. You saw with your own eyes the consequences of the arrival of the russians in anything and i dont even know how to describe it. To say that i was the first to go there because i was the first then all communication was kept through the roadblock that was on the road near the atb on the zhytomyr highway, there was our extreme roadblock, and they knew that no one went there, well, that is, it was the extreme point, or, well, there was no way to go there except through them, well, that oh, what a fool. Yes, i went there for the first time. Well, there was one picture before that, and then there was a second picture. Yes, everything you saw after that was not the same. I have footage of how i went there for the first time. Well, we are driving cars. There were corpses lying around the perimeter, somewhere around 6 men uh, everything was broken, something was broken, it was hard to drive because there was glass. There was a lot of glass on the road, on the approaches to buchi on the zhytomyr highway, there was an armored personnel carrier almost completely on the zhytomyr highway, uh, yeah, yeah, well , he was shot from the side, they left him like that, he was standing straight in the middle, then the bridge to kyiv collapsed, uh, there were all cars, people, cars, cars, people, everything was collapsed, corpses somewhere , then we reached the gostomel bridge, there was a collapsed column of uh, with russians. They were also lying there, there were a lot of them, a man, i dont know for sure 340 andrei why did you want that . To get there first. I also asked myself this question many times. I dont know. At that moment , i had an idea. Its for netflix and i dreamed about this perception of what i see and what i can show on netflix because i understood that a dear person abroad will still not see it like that, as i feel it and understand it and it was like that a combination of curiosity er adrenaline of some interest well somehow so when you saw it all, you could imagine the scale by the time you entered bucha , you imagined some kind of picture, you understood what could have happened there, and was it so terrifying in your memory, you cant imagine a column of broken equipment, well er, well, that is, you can somehow imagine well, until you see her, you dont, well, you, well , you cant imagine her, i understood that there was something, something, well , i didnt understand, of course, i didnt understand what so much, yes, that is, it was like some er chronicle that i suddenly saw and that was it terrible, andriy, until february 24, 2022, what is your attitude towards the war that was going on in the east, because i am now talking to the military and they say that now is the second phase, that the war did not start on february 24, but much earlier in the 14th year, now it is the second phase russianukrainian war, what did you think then, how did you perceive everything that was happening there, i didnt perceive it well, its not that i didnt perceive it , its difficult for me, im trying to make some kind of comparison, but if you ask me there, uh , do i believe in god, then i i will tell you, if in one word, you know the party in part. Yes, what is it parties, er, i go to church on major holidays, i went to, even sang there, i tried to read the bible several times , how do i feel about it . I wont say yes, returning to your question, and i was in moscow in 2018, it was the day of the final of the world cup in football. This is the last day i left moscow. How did i feel about the war . Cant answer your question i dont i know, yes, that is, on february 24, i switched to the ukrainian language. Now i speak ukrainian with everyone, we in the family always spoke ukrainian from the very beginning , but there i could speak russian with those people who addressed me in russian. Yes, and i automatically switched now i dont stress anymore because before i used to make such a point about myself so as not to switch to russian, but now i almost dont stress and speak ukrainian, thats bilingualism. Its important that now others, as well as people who everyday people speak russian, the program said that we cant speak russian, well, we cant speak in our mouths , we have several guys, i, uh, lets say someone from odesa, someone from chernihiv, its hard for them, its really hard, i say listen, its just your question patience yes, when it comes to this, i say uh, look, uh, people came under the slogan that they are saving you and killed 200,000 people, and you are not ashamed of this factor, which is compared to your own line, there are several people who speak russian there i understand that its normal listen, i dont know, you studied english, you didnt study there, there is speaking reading understandings, yes, that is, you have three or three cases, and when you study english, you dont quite have yours in the cabler, which is sufficient to express your opinion. Well, thats well, it doesnt mean that you should be upset and not go to the back of your paws or somewhere else. No, you want to teach , thats why you listen to tv, you have to talk about something there, and it develops your conditions, if youre not lazy. And if youre lazy, yes, and then we say my personal laziness is more important than 200,000 people which were filled with us at that time and this is the story. My laziness is more important. Andrii, you immediately joined this process and stood up for the countrys defense, but i want to return to the choice of your son ostap, he became an example for you. Are you still for him because he was the first to leave he was already in the army in june. And you a little later. You phrased the question incorrectly, so correct it. Ostap is going to join the army. It was from me. I formulated it for him then, if im not mistaken, and helped implement it, and this is an idea. Well, you know, ill tell you now that i have idea lets go drink coffee there my idea idea yes mine we went and drank coffee and i said in the coffee shop i wont drink coffee i will drink tea yes you drank coffee why because it was my idea yes it was my idea, i helped him, i implemented it, i dont regret it, in one of your interviews you said that you are the father of the hero when we started recording nezlamni , the first guest of my program, as i remember now , was taras ratushny, and your stories are very similar last june year, he lost his son, roman, an activist from kyiv i am the flower of the nation. This is a young guy who could change this country for the better. He fought for kyiv for protasiv yar, and the past that now unites you made me think whether it is necessary for parents who lost their sons and who continue to serve now. And taras is the same now on at the front, to unite in order to live, live a common history , is this necessary, in your opinion, well , at the moment, there is no time to do it right now , yes. I have several people. Translate into something good. When you come to germany, there is even such a joke that germans always create clubs, that is, you and i are sitting on chairs in the park. We can create a club of people who sit on chairs in parks. Yes, and we should unite these people around and i even had such an idea after the war time to somehow unite these people, it is possible to share thoughts , maybe i dont know what is possible, ah, why do you know why i got into this topic, it is very personally important to me and it is my inner fear i