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The excuse for mass migration. Apparently the department does have plans in place to get britain back to work in 18 months time. State of the nation starts now. Starts now. Ill also be joined by disputatious panel this evening. Britains favourite socialist and transcaucasia expert , the and transcaucasia expert, the former labour mp Stephen Pound , former labour mp Stephen Pound, and the ever pugnacious former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie. As always, i want to hear from you. Its a crucial part of the programme. Email me. Mail gbnews. Com but now its time for the news of the day with Aaron Armstrong. With aaron arm strong. With Aaron Armstrong. Very good evening to you, Aaron Armstrong here in the gb newsroom. A manhunt is underway after a former soldier charged with terror offences escaped from wandsworth prison. Our home and security editor mark white has more. Has more. As authorities try to determine how Daniel Califf managed to escape from wandsworth jail , there is now wandsworth jail, there is now a nationwide manhunt at ports and airports right around the country. There are additional country. There are additional security personnel and long queues as they check everyone leaving the country. Gb news understands that khalifa escape by clinging to the underside of a delivery truck, leaving wandsworth prison prison authorities, we understand, were alerted within minutes of his disappearance. Disappearance. Well, questions remain about why khalifa was being held in a category b prison rather than a high security facility. The shadow justice secretary, shabana mahmood, says the government has lost control of the Justice System. The Justice System. I think the government has very serious questions to answer. We know that the criminal Justice System after 13 years of tory government is in a state of disrepair. We know that there are huge problems with prisons and prison places in particular, and as weve seen, there is now a terror suspect on there is now a terror suspect on the loose, having escaped from wandsworth prison so Big Questions for the government to answer, frankly , we rishi sunak answer, frankly, we rishi sunak needs to get a grip. Meanwhile, the Prime Minister has defended how the government has defended how the government has handled problem of has handled the problem of crumbling concrete schools. Crumbling concrete in schools. Thousands pupils at 19 thousands of pupils at 19 schools in england have been forced to stay at home as the new term gets underway at Prime Ministers questions, sir keir starmer likened the governments response cowboy builders, response to cowboy builders, saying ministers had been cutting corners and carrying out botched rishi sunak botched jobs. Rishi sunak responded by saying the government has acted decisively in the face of new information and called sir keir starmer, captain , hindsight, and called sir keir starmer, captain , hindsight , 17 people, captain, hindsight, 17 people, including a child , have been including a child, have been killed and 32 injured by a Russian Missile strike in the city of kostiantynivka in the east of ukraine. Authorities there have posted footage which shows a loud explosion ripping through a busy market. Now the attack came just hours after the us secretary of state, antony blinken, paid a surprise visit to kyiv to reaffirm us support for ukraine and in the past half an hour or so, he has announced an hour or so, he has announced a new package of aid for ukraine worth more than 1 billion. More on that a little later this evening. Uk is set to rejoin evening. The uk is set to rejoin the European Unions horizon Science Research programme. The government negotiated membership of the £85 billion scheme in the brexit withdrawal agreement, but it was never ratified because of disputes that emerged over the Northern Ireland protocol. Well, reports now suggest Prime Minister rishi sunak will confirm a final deal this week after a two year absence. And after a two year absence. And many of you will have been enjoying the warm weather today. It was the hottest day since 2016, with temperatures reaching 32 degrees at kew gardens in london. And that good weather is set to continue all of this week. It could well reach a high on saturday, 33 degrees, as has been forecast in london. That would be even warmer than it is in ibiza. And it would be the hottest day of the year. However, an amber warning for heat has been issued by the met office, which which is valid through until sunday evening. Through until sunday evening. Well, this is gb news on tv, on your Digital Radio and your Smart Speaker to just say play gb news. Now its back to. Jacob gb news. Now its back to. Jacob inquest is a medium sized Energy Production company and owing to the governments windfall tax on energy, it has turned what would have been a considerable profit margin into a loss for the First Six Months of 2023. But inquest is not the only one. Harbour energy is another. The largest london listed independent oil and gas company. It provides 15 of the uks oil and Gas Production in harbour swung from nearly a billion pounds of profits for the first half of this year to an 8 million loss again because the windfall tax. Indeed, harbour , and this is really harbour, and this is really important has said it will refuse to drill new oil wells because of the tax it feels forced to explore other options such as mexico and indonesia. Such as mexico and indonesia. Well, why does this matter . Well, why does this matter . First of all, we need to maximise the use of our resources and these small and Medium Sized Companies take on oil wells that the majors have decided theyre no longer big enough for them. They ensure that we get that last drop of oil out and when they face an Energy Windfall tax of 75, which is likely to remain until 2028, they dont make any money. Therefore, they wont invest in the uk. They will invest elsewhere. And this makes the cost of living higher. Elsewhere. And this makes the cost of living higher. First of cost of living higher. First of all, ultimately the government gets less tax revenue because less oil is being taken out. Secondly theres less Oil Production, which makes prices higher, which keeps energy pnces higher, which keeps Energy Prices high. But it also has an effect on Energy Security as were more dependent on other nafions. Were more dependent on other nations. And this tax affects nations. And this tax affects the smaller and medium sized energy companies. The tax is a flea bite for the bps and shells of this world. And it disincentivize as ive said, investment at a time when we desperately need investment. We saw last year the problem that ansesif saw last year the problem that arises if you are dependent entirely on foreign sources from insecure countries is now i know that Oil Companies periodically make vast profits , but theyve make vast profits, but theyve always for years and years, been taxed at a higher rate than other businesses. To recognise this and to recognise that the oil is something they are licenced to take out of the ground. That is viewed as a national asset. But if the oil national asset. But if the Oil Companies have higher costs, these get passed on to consumers and thats why its time to scrap the windfall tax. Wed get more oil , scrap the windfall tax. Wed get more oil, cheaper oil, more tax revenue and a better economy. But of course, i want to hear from you. Dont forget to let me know your thoughts. You know the email by now youve probably learned it off by heart. Its male mog at gbnews. Com or my auto prompter says but im auto prompter says uk. But im pretty thats wrong. Pretty sure thats wrong. And its you probably its. Com. However, you probably know do. As know better than i do. As i said, im delighted to be joined now by robert palmer, the director of tax justice uk. Robert, you so for robert, thank you so much for coming evening. Isnt coming in. Good evening. Isnt it important that Companies Know the tax that theyre going to pay the tax that theyre going to pay before they invest rather than after theyve made the investments and then get clobbered . Terms tax clobbered . In terms of tax justice . I mean, i think in general, you want a steady tax system where people understand what tax going to pay. What tax are going to pay. What we have at the but what we have at the moment with Energy Sector moment with the Energy Sector and oil and is and particularly oil and gas, is that there a theres that there have been a theres been huge spike in the oil and been a huge spike in the oil and gas prices globally because of the and that the war in ukraine. And that means of these oil and gas means a lot of these oil and Gas Companies have been making really significant amounts of money. In uk, you know, money. And in the uk, you know, weve got a long history of windfall them windfall taxes. We had them after the first and second world war. Fact, Margaret Thatcher war. In fact, Margaret Thatcher introduced on the introduced a windfall tax on the oil gas and on banks and on oil and gas and on banks and on banks the 1980s. Banks in the 1980s. Yes. Yes. Think what were and i think what were talking about is looking at the oil and gas sector in general. You have overall the sector is making really significant money andifs making really significant money and its profiting off of high oil and gas prices due to the war. And at the same time, you know, you have people across the country who are who are struggling to pay their very high bills. Thats absolutely true. But in the worst point of the covid pandemic, the crude oil price was below zero. And the Oil Companies were making significant losses on oil that they were taking out of the ground. And you cant just stop taking out. And taking things out. And therefore, course, their tax therefore, of course, their tax burden fell because were burden fell because there were no be taxed on. When no profits to be taxed on. When the up at the normal the price goes up at the normal rate of tax, they were still paying rate of tax, they were still paying about 50 tax. Isnt that enough . And also incentivises enough . And it also incentivises long term investment. I mean, around the world, oil and Gas Companies pay higher rates they are rates of tax because they are pumping out our our National Resource. This is our oil, our gas. And therefore, i think it gas. And therefore, i think it is as a usual base, you would expect them to pay higher levels of tax. And i do think it is important, you know, politics is about choices. And the government desperately needs money to support Public Services is asking over all a very, is and asking over all a very, very highly profitable industry to pay more in tax , i think is to pay more in tax, i think is the smart thing to do. I dont object to the higher base level for Oil Companies for exactly the reason you mention that its deemed to be a National Resource andifs deemed to be a National Resource and its a licence. You dont own the oil if youre the company and you youre the oil company and you have a licence to extract it. But the oil price immediately after russia invaded ukraine went over a barrel. Went well over 100 a barrel. Its now at about 90, but its been backed down into the 70s and 80s. The extra normal and the 80s. The extra normal profits supernormal profits arent there in the way they are. They were are they . They were initially are they . I mean, it will depend across different different companies. It to actually it can be quite hard to actually understand whats going on. I saw an oil and gas Industry Expert be quite critical of Harbour Energy because they were piling all tax losses into piling all their tax losses into one year. In their press release. Think sometimes a. So i think sometimes its a little difficult to work out little bit difficult to work out exactly going on. But exactly whats going on. But i think picture me is, think the big picture for me is, first of all, overall, its an industry that is making quite a lot of money, but secondly, you know, talked wanting know, you talked about wanting to last drop. To extract every last drop. I mean, really what youre talking aboutis mean, really what youre talking about is propping up dying about is propping up a dying dinosaur industry. This is an industry relies on very industry that relies on very significant amounts of public subsidy a way other subsidy in a way that other industries dont. Lots of public money youre talking about. So thatis money youre talking about. So that is so first of all, the windfall tax has a 90 tax relief for further investment. But thats not public money. Thats simply not taxing people. If they invest and thats not giving them public money. The two are completely different. Giving them public money. The twoand completely different. Giving them public money. The twoand compthere different. Giving them public money. The twoand compthere is fferent. Giving them public money. The twoand compthere is also nt. And then there is also subsidies around around looking after oil, oil services and after the oil, oil services and subsidies around decommissioning subsidies, decommissioning, decommissioning is a tax write off against taxes youve already paid. So because its a cost of doing business, still its registered and this is not a subsidy. This is loose language because all businesses are able to offset the cost of doing business. If you take down a wind farm after its natural life, that will be offset able as a tax deductible because its as a tax deductible because its a cost of doing the business. But there is perfectly there is a special and especially generous regime for the north sea oil and gas. The north sea oil and gas industry and only a recognition of the change in regulations that made it more expensive than when the companies signed up. So changed the so youve changed the regulations retrospectively and therefore given a tax therefore youve given a tax write off in favour of it, but that that a subsidy. That that isnt a subsidy. Its still a generous i mean, its still a generous tax position from government i mean, its still a generous tax [other n from government i mean, its still a generous tax [other Industries Government that other industries dont face. Know, you talk, face. And you know, you talk, you about energy all you talk about energy all industries get a tax write off on investment. Mean , and for on investment. I mean, and for years , i mean, industries do get years, i mean, industries do get tax write offs. But the oil and gas industry has a particular regime which has particularly more generous things. But i more generous things. But i think there is a wider point. You know, we could spend a lot of time, but this is this is really because you really important because you constantly people saying constantly hear people saying all these subsidies oil gas. Dont. They a gas. Dont. They they dont. They are a very, very heavily taxed, hugely net contributing tax revenues. Contributing to tax revenues. Business Harbour Energy, business and Harbour Energy, i think particularly think is particularly interesting. When interesting. I met them when i was Energy Secretary and i thought it was a really impressive business because its taking on assets that other people dont want and is essentially them to the essentially sweating them to the benefit of the uk economy. And thats important part of the thats an important part of the economic and were now economic process and were now forcing them mexico. Forcing them to mexico. Mean, think theres also i mean, i think theres also a point about like, do we really want be encouraging an want to be encouraging an industry that is that is potentially has stranded assets where, you know, you talked about Energy Security , but most about Energy Security, but most of the oil and gas that we produce here would get sold abroad and get sold at International Oil and gas prices. So actually having our own industry doesnt reduce our Reliance International reliance on International Oil and prices. Well but it has and gas prices. Well but it has and gas prices. Well but it has an effect on international pnces an effect on International Prices very, very small amount because theyre amount because theyre a small amount of really important because of its really important because supply and demand determines the price. Price. And you see how opec and opec plus tries to operate to massage the supply to change the price. If youve got independent producers outside opec that actually has a disproportionate effect potentially on pricing. I mean, this is a this is a tiny the uk is a tiny proportion of all oil and gas. All pricing is set at the margin. So if you have one barrel of oil more than people want, the price goes down. If you have one barrel of oil less, it up and you saw this. So it goes up and you saw this. So clearly. I mean, 2020 when the when the price went into negative i think what negative territory, i think what we the invasion of we saw after the invasion of ukraine, you had a huge ukraine, when you had a huge spike in oil and gas that the uk was particularly exposed to, the fact that we rely on oil and gas and if you look at what, for example, the us and china are doing, theyre going gangbusters for a renewal, you know, continuing a dying continuing to support a dying industry that actually undermines security. Undermines our Energy Security. Know, whats whats but you know, whats whats reduced us is carbon emissions. Most its fracking , its most its been fracking, its been moving to their own gas source , which we should do source, which we should do because weve got trillions of cubic feet of gas under us and that would be an enormous benefit and reduced prices because you take out all the transportation costs. And so on. I mean, i think fracking, first of all, i think is a political non starter in this country. You know, i just dont think there is public consent to do but even so, the sort do it. But even so, the sort of lead times to introduce a new lead in times to introduce a new fossil industry that we fossil fuel industry that we would become reliant on as opposed investing green opposed to investing in green technology, which, as i said, you know, the two big superpowers in the world, china and us, are investing huge and the us, are investing huge amounts of green. So propping up nonh amounts of green. So propping up north and gas with north sea oil and gas with with the regime that they have the tax regime that they have it, know , it also undermines it, you know, it also undermines our Energy Security because it makes us more reliant. Makes us more reliant. Well, im so fair. Ive given you the last word. But robert, thank you very much for coming in. And dont to let me in. And dont forget to let me know what you think. Male margaret gbnews. Com. I was right. The right. Coming up, its the latest chapter the concrete latest chapter in the concrete crisis. Whose side are you crisis. But whose side are you on . The school on . Gillian keegan or the school bosses need to get off their bosses who need to get off their posteriors backside, as the education secretary suggested . Education secretary suggested . Plus, we get britain back plus, how do we get britain back to the september the gb to work . The september the gb news family is back together from breakfast right across the day, breaking the latest stories i and every evening thing. And dont forget the weekend weve got the whole of the uk covered and every week well be hearing your views from up and down the country with fun, lively and intelligent conversation with the biggest guests this september. Well meet chris and september. Well meet chris and john. Thank september. Well meet chris and john. Thank you for choosing gb news news. Were proud to be britains news radio. Well , come radio. Well, come back. Well, come back. Im still Jacob Rees Mogg and this is state of the nation. And youve been getting in touch with your views. Stephen you continue to reference this government conservative. Continue to reference this government someone vative. Continue to reference this government someone astive. Continue to reference this government someone as loyal as surely even someone as loyal as you recognises this government is no longer conservative. Its a you have given up. A shame that you have given up. Well havent up and im well i havent given up and im definitely conservative. Peter. Sadly, windfall tax on north sadly, the windfall tax on north sea oil and gas is a classic socialist theory and hell socialist theory and to hell with the concept of does it work in and lewis says oil in practise and lewis says Oil Production is broken and requires root and branch reform. The extracted oil should belong to the country and not private companies. Bp shell et cetera. Divert profits from our oil to low tax countries so the return for school is , for many return for school is, for many a time of adaptation adjustment and growing pains. The education secretary , she herself has secretary, she herself has arguably had one of the toughest starts to the new year as her department has ordered the closure of multiple schools just days before the start of term. Days before the start of term. Gillian keegan eloquently and candidly told School Leaders to act with greater urgency and inform ministers whether they are affected by crumbling concrete. In the days since the education secretary has been labelled desperate , outrageous labelled desperate, outrageous and of shifting the and accused of shifting the blame onto individual schools pupils at 24 schools, 24 schools out of 22,000 nationwide are reportedly studying remotely and no one yet knows how much it will cost to fix the aerated concrete crisis. Theres no doubt that this issue has been neglected over years by the education department, but the education department, but the education secretary has shown decisive, swift action in. So isnt it now time for others to fulfil their responsible duties . Well, i have my brilliant panel, the trans caucasia expert and socialist Stephen Pound, and the pugnacious former editor of the sun, kelvin mackenzie. Stephen sun, kelvin mackenzie. Stephen hasnt gillian got a lot of unfair blame for this . Because the responsibility for School Buildings is with the academy. Buildings is with the academy. Sometimes with the church , sometimes with the church, church, sometimes with the local authority. Its not actually directly with the department at all. Jacob its always easier to find a scapegoat than it is to find a scapegoat than it is to find a scapegoat than it is to find a solution. And i think at the moment, because she was one of her homes in marbella and because of the rather low £300,000 home. Yeah , well, no, im not yeah, well, no, im not entirely sure thats to make it sound like i can i can i just sound like i can i can ijust say that this, this business with the reinforced autoclaved aerated concrete, you know, goes back to the 1945. But in that was a Labour Government wasnt it . So youre saying it was a Labour Government just before 1945 . Actually the coalition. Yeah. Thank but the reality thank you. But look, the reality is were warned by the is in 2018 we were warned by the Specialist Committee on this that this is the breezeblocks in effect they are are effect is what they are are perfectly good for making walls. Theyre no good span and theyre no good for span and theyre for load theyre no good for load bearing. And the worrying thing is schools is building schools for the future, which excellent future, which was an excellent scheme which would actually rebuild then scheme which would actually rebu but then scheme which would actually rebu but it then scheme which would actually rebu but it was then scheme which would actually rebu but it was extremelythen cut, but it was extremely expensive out of expensive and wed run out of money. Sorry, i think it money. Im sorry, i think it probably saved money in the long run because look at the cost nowadays quite nowadays when you talk quite rightly small figure rightly about the small figure in scheme of things, in the grand scheme of things, but jacob, the Harrow Crown Court in my part of world court in my part of the world has just its closed has just closed. Its closed indefinitely, be good indefinitely, which may be good news of the criminals indefinitely, which may be good ne north west of the criminals indefinitely, which may be good ne north west london, riminals indefinitely, which may be good ne north west london, rimi its; in north west london, but its proving for those of us proving bad news for those of us who believe in justice. And its not just the crown court. Its not just the crown court. Its not its not not just the schools. Its not just government buildings. Just the government buildings. Its the country just the government buildings. Its people the country just the government buildings. Its people aree country just the government buildings. Its people are faceditry just the government buildings. Its people are faced with this where people are faced with this problem. Ill give problem. And i think ill give ill Gillian Keegan credit. Ill give Gillian Keegan credit. You tough woman you know, shes a tough woman and with the problem and shes dealt with the problem and shes dealt with the problem and said something has to be and she said something has to be done stopped. Done and shes stopped. Dangerous. Dangerous. Would like we would certainly like within partys cabinet for within your partys cabinet for more. Gillian keegans i mean, after all, this was a woman at 16, she leaves school and she goes become a i think, a goes on to become a i think, a car apprentice in liverpool. She goes on to make something of her life, right . She talks like life, right . And she talks like the talk. So what would the voters talk. So what would be i heard something be nice if i heard Something Like that rishi sunak like that from rishi sunak talking about migration or anything . Actually one of our problems within the conservative party, one of the problems within the conservative party is i recognise anything that i dont recognise anything that anybody says and the truth about the matter government the matter is any government could have dealt with this literally since probably, well, the time has had a front page story in 95, which was pointing this out. And when i when i last looked, i got the impression that the Labour Government were around at that time. So i, i honestly believe it was actually john major. It was john major at the time. Sorry. They had 13 years after that. Sorry. Theyve had to from up to 2013, right. So to from up to 2013, right. So i honestly , i am very pleased with honestly, i am very pleased with ms keegan and the truth about the matter is when rishi goes and certainly hes going to go unless he has some massive change in his personality. Unless he has some massive change in his personality. Lee change in his personality. Lee keegan and people like keegan will be in massive demand to be leader of the conservative party, and i for one will cheer. I am sick and tired of every time anybody sounds like anybody that i would recognise or or would like to meet. Actually being produced by the left. Okay. So kelvin, youre defending her for saying what people has she more people think, but has she more importantly done a good job . Been right to go has she been right to go ahead say the evidence, the ahead and say the evidence, the evidence changed. This looked like serious and the other point that you made in your opening was correct. There were 22,000. Right. Isnt were 22,000. Right. This isnt even error, right. Even a rounding error, right. Any day of the week, there would be at least 24 schools that were being shut for some kind of issue surrounding the building being unsafe. So this is not being unsafe. So this is not a big deal. But the trouble is, it shows where the conservative government are right now. So when a little bit of bad news comes along, correct me, it turns into a much bigger deal. At the moment, theyre unlucky and, you know, the one thing cant actually account thing you cant actually account for luck. And im afraid to for is luck. And im afraid to say lucks run out for say that the lucks run out for the tory. I actually feel sorry for think, you know Gillian Keegan. I mean, hold on, hold on. Socialists feel sorry for competitors. Sorry a heart of i have to have a heart of stone, know, not have stone, you know, not to have some sympathy. Mind you, it says yeah. Mind you, when it says keegan, i thought it was kevin keegan, i thought it was kevin keegan they bringing keegan that they were bringing in him at the last in to rescue him at the last minute. So a football minute. So he was a football manager, a very popular football association. Yes, but. Yes, but. But, but, stephen, i think you being harsh gillian you were being harsh on gillian a ago you were a moment ago when you were saying she was away at the saying that she was away at the end noi saying that she was away at the end no i say lots of end of august. No i say lots of people go away the end of people go away at the end of august. Thats not an unreasonable thing. For unreasonable thing. Even for a secretary state. Sorry. Secretary of state. Sorry. Are in favour of and you are in favour of people presumably a home people presumably having a home abroad, not not for homes. One in spain, one youve got one in spain, one in france. Success. In france. Shes a success. Shes success is successful shes success is a successful person. Successful shes success is a successful person. But successful shes success is a successful person. But youre cessful shes success is a successful person. But youre entitled to spend their money, entitled to spend their money, entitled to spend their money as they will. Spend their money, entitled to sperthis eir money as they will. Spend their money, entitled to sperthis is money as they will. Spend their money, entitled to sperthis is the ney as they will. Spend their money, entitled to sperthis is the trouble hey will. Spend their money, entitled to sperthis is the trouble with nill. Laboun look, can i. Can i just say what was saying is it looks what i was saying is it looks terrible. And you know, similarly was using similarly when she was using lower language and i take lower decks, language and i take your point, an your point, theres an authenticity the authenticity about the liverpudlian who liverpudlian woman who left school at 16 an school at 16 who was an engineering apprentice using lower decks or industrial language. You language. Fair enough. But, you know, just happens to be language. Fair enough. But, you kn0\luck. Just happens to be language. Fair enough. But, you kn0\luck. People ppens to be language. Fair enough. But, you kn0\luck. People will|s to be language. Fair enough. But, you kn0\luck. People will remember bad luck. People will remember that know, i know that that you know, and i know that they remember john majors they rememberjohn majors under pants they remember pants long after they remember the he good an the fact that he was a good an issue that affecting under 1 issue that is affecting under 1 of to calvins point, of schools to calvins point, hes being reported if it hes being reported as if it hasnt in school in hasnt got traction in school in the country. Reason for this quite the reason for this is quite clear. Its because the government is unpopular. No government is unpopular. So no matter happens , even if matter what happens, even if its nothing to do anybody its nothing to do with anybody , suddenly it becomes a tory issue and i put this to sunak because he will not be bold , im because he will not be bold, im afraid. He has been bent low by this office. I feel. I dont feel sorry for him. He will go on to. Hes enormously wealthy now. Hell go on to have an enormously successful second career. Politics being career. But politics and being Prime Minister will not have been one of them, to be honest. So stephen, what would labour have done differently . It had building schools for the future, but that covered 13 schools out of 150 that have this problem and was enormously extravagant and was enormously extravagant and expensive of are they just jumping on a bandwagon on a relatively small number of schools about a problem thats actually being named to everybody and as buildings get refurbished, has been taken, i sincerely hope that its not and ihave sincerely hope that its not and i have to say, Bridget Phillipson made a very measured and very informed speech. And very informed speech. Thought it was pretty i thought it was pretty impressive. Thought a impressive. I thought it was a future leader one party future leader of one party there. Talked about there. Youve talked about a future of the other party, so you want to get rid of keir starmer . No. Yeah, no. Yeah, no. Good heavens, hes. Hes good heavens, no. Hes. Hes a man. But look, the. The a young man. But look, the. The reality is that bsf building schools the future was schools for the future was a first class proposal that actually rebuilt the rebuilt every single Primary School in my constituency, former, my constituency, my former, every was rebuilt every single one was rebuilt under the money we under bsf. And the money we saved the term. But the saved in the long term. But the real is, is when it was real problem is, is when it was cut, you remember, okay, it cut, if you remember, okay, it was from to 50, but was only from 200 to 50, but that was a rolling programme. Okay ask one other thing . Can i ask one other thing . All well on the all right. Well work on the assumption for this discussion that labour are going to get in right far as see, our right as far as i can see, our country looks skint more skint than remember for my life. Not a good election to win. Believe you me. Okay, well, there we go. What on are they going to do . On earth are they going to do . Are going to rebuild are they going to rebuild every school . Are, please school . And if they are, please tell what my taxes are going tell me what my taxes are going to look like at the end of all this. Well, your taxes are likely to go up if that would happen. Thank panel. Coming thank you to my panel. Coming up, has shoplifting been relegated to ranks of relegated to the ranks of cyclists . Bicyclists crossing relegated to the ranks of cyclistheresclists crossing relegated to the ranks of cyclistheresclred crossing relegated to the ranks of cyclistheresclred light . 1g relegated to the ranks of cyclistheresclred light . Plus, when theres a red light . Plus, has become overrun with has britain become overrun with shirkers . Like shirkers . Is it looks like things are heating up. Boilers proud sponsors boxed boilers proud sponsors of on gb news. Of weather on gb news. Hello again. Its aidan hello again. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office with the news office with the gb news forecast. A warm, sultry night to come. For many of us, more hot sunshine into thursday. A small chance of thunderstorms developing towards western and south Western Areas in particular as low pressure sends heat and humidity northwards across the uk. Now, any thunderstorms that do develop will be very hit and miss, quite isolated, mostly towards Western Areas overnight. But isolated, mostly towards Western Areas overnight. But there isolated, mostly towards Western Areas overnight. But there is the chance that these thunderstorms will contain frequent flashes of lightning. So they could be quite visible in the night sky where they do occur. In the night sky where they do occur. Some low in the night sky where they do occur. Some low cloud creeping into east. Its a warm night into the east. Its a warm night for mid to high teens and for many mid to high teens and in some places no colder than 20 or 21 celsius. So some patchy fog about first thing thursday , fog about first thing thursday, some of this misty low cloud in the east, but that will tend to retreat to north sea coasts. And retreat to north sea coasts. And for many its a fine day , but for many its a fine day, but weve still got that potential thundery activity moving north into Northern Ireland and parts of scotland. By the afternoon. Then a very warm or hot day then its a very warm or hot day in places 29 to 32 celsius in the south, 28 celsius for northern scotland. So the heat northern scotland. So the heat is extensive across the uk and its a warm start to friday. Again, some of that misty low cloud in the east. Again the threat of thundery showers towards the west and southwest, but otherwise its just a case of sunny skies and the temperatures continue to rise up to 33 celsius in places by saturday. Looks like things are heating up. Boxed boilers, proud sponsors of weather on. Youre listening to gb news radio. Radio. Welcome back. I remain Jacob Rees Mogg and youve been getting in touch with your thoughts. Wayne says we should name and shame the schools that havent submitted their questionnaires. Good questionnaires. Its a very good idea. With wayne. Derek idea. I agree with wayne. Derek the concrete crisis was less to do and more do with the government and more the of planners the responsibility of planners and and derek is and builders and derek is absolutely spot on too. And others are involved. It comes to the government at a higher level. Ted. Its the management of the schools thats to blame for this situation, not the government. Its really interesting. So many of these are the of gillian are on the side of Gillian Keegan jeffrey strange keegan and jeffrey strange labour were in charge when they built these buildings. Well, as stephen was telling us in 1945, say we can blame lots of things on past Labour Governments. Its one of my speciality. Liz. Few things. The one of my speciality. Liz. Few things. The much disregarded pedestrian more than an entitled bicyclist whizzing through a red light or over a zebra crossing. Light or over a zebra crossing. But weve come to accept this crime and it is a crime as part of life. And while these beastly creatures are a menace to society, they dont seem to be top of the priority list when it comes to tackling crime. But other sorts of more serious crime being relegated this crime being relegated to this level too. Well, the chairman of level too. Well, the chairman of asda, lord has suggested asda, lord rose, has suggested that shoplifting ring has become effectively decrim analysed and he has a point. Effectively decrim analysed and he has a point. Only 1 effectively decrim analysed and he has a point. Only1 in 6 he has a point. Only 1 in 6 reports of shoplifting results in a conviction, which means hundreds of thousands of cases are unpunished every year are going unpunished every year. And must remember even if. And we must remember even if you may have not personally witnessed the crime itself, supermarkets incorporate the costs by shoplifting costs incurred by shoplifting into their prices as so it has into their prices as so it has in effect become a silent tax for law abiding consumers. We all have a stake in this problem being swiftly resolved. And so are the police doing enough to tackle the problem . Well, with tackle the problem . Well, with me now is peter bleksley, the former metropolitan police detective. Peter, thank you for joining me. Surely shoplifting joining me. Surely shoplifting is a gateway crime and that once people feel they can get away with that, theyll think they can get away with more serious. Can get away with more serious. Yes, its an insidious crime andifs yes, its an insidious crime and its not being policed or prosecuted at any kind of level that it should be. But this dates back to about 2014, really , when we had the anti social behaviour crime and policing bill got passed. And what that bill got passed. And what that did was it said that any shoplifting offence under £200 could only be tried in the lower courts. So in the Magistrates Courts. So in the Magistrates Courts not long after that, some bright spark of a Senior Police officer thought, right, we can use this as an excuse. Now not to get involved and they went pubuc to get involved and they went public with that and essentially through the idiocy of making that statement , created a that statement, created a criminal charter and now the chickens are coming home to roost. So this is a decision made by the police because its in the Magistrates Court not to prosecute. We were hoping to hear from katie bourne, the Sussex Police and Crime Commissioner, who the National Lead for business and retail crime. But either she doesnt want and defend the want to come on and defend the position of the police or has some other reason that she cried off the last so off at the last moment. So youre saying essentially its that type of bureaucracy that people like in charge of . People like her in charge of . That is. Well, first of all, shes not the police crime the first police and Crime Commissioner who doesnt want to involve in a public involve himself in a public debate essentially debate with me. Yes. Essentially well, so be it. Essentially, the well, so be it. Essentially, the police did criminalised it. They created a charter for criminals are aware of these outpourings from Police Officers. And now from Police Officers. And now just a few years later, we have got to the complete unacceptable position where people are strolling into shops and stealing with impunity. Katie stealing with impunity. Katie there are certain major retailers that have gone into pension policies, which is a huge problem and the police simply do not turn up even when theres aggravating circumstances like members of retail staff being assaulted and hung , hundreds of retail staff hung, hundreds of retail staff are being assaulted every day. The police doing they go round with a van load to arrest some poor lady who was preying near an Abortion Clinic and they cant stop people shoplifting and whats the point . Well, in some regards theyve gone on some kind of woke fluffy, liberal ideological kind of campaign to police social media, which is not their point i liberal. Come on, stephen. Liberal. Come on, stephen. Look, the real problem here is that between 2010 and 2020, we lost 20,000 Police Officers in england and wales. And i dont care how good the Police Officers are, if you lose 20,000 Police Officers. And why theresa may oversaw this as home secretary is an absolute mystery to me. But weve now got a situation where if you remember bill bratton, when he was the police new york, bill bratton, when he was the po|had new york, bill bratton, when he was the po|had this new york, bill bratton, when he was the po|had this broken new york, bill bratton, when he was the po|had this broken windowv york, he had this broken window theory. Have a building theory. If you have a building with window, then with a broken window, then more windows will be broken. If you allow the minimum crime to actually street begging actually the street begging and things would go on things like that, it would go on to last week or the week to more. Last week or the week before oxford street, before last in oxford street, a whole turned up, whole group of kids turned up, attracted social media to go attracted by social media to go steaming into a shop. There and the are a the police in london are now a riot squad. Not the riot squad. Theyre not the detective that they were detective force that they were in your day. Its the escalation of that shoplifting, which is what there is what happens when there is policing activity and there is no deterrent factor, no shoplifter imagines that hes going to turn the corner and run into a Police Officer because the police do not patrol the streets these days. But kelvin, this means well turn into San Francisco and the streets entirely so streets will become entirely so in my local, my local waitrose is what happens there is that they know this person is shoplifter. The shoplifter comes in and starts putting the alcohol into the into their trolley. We all the into their trolley. We all sit round and then makes a dart instead of going to pay for it, makes a dart for the exit. Theyve already there. They stop him. He says, oh, thank you. He him. He says, oh, thank you. He then walks on, leaving the drink behind and that is not there was no arrest. So there was the crime, hadnt actually come to its end. This is happening every day, every single tescos are now putting body cameras on their staff. Theyre being assaulted. They need protection from violent thugs who need to be arrested. And what i cant understand is why some chief constable of surrey around my way or any way simply says, i tell you what, we are now going after them and go back to the after. We all pay a precept for this, go back to their go back to the money people and say we need a special. I tell you what, need a special. I tell you what, why dont we have a Shoplifting Police or a cycle police . Why dont we have some designated people doing this . I can do with the food price going down. Actually, much have actually, id much prefer have these people banged up. Are private security there are private Security Companies that will patrol, companies now that will patrol, detain and prosecute their one stop shops for prosecuting shoplifters. But what are the police are doing instead . Because the 20,000 police that went have now been replaced or whatever it is, 130,000 police in this country , 130,000 police in this country, that must be some of them who could go to supermarkets to arrest people. And thats a very, very apposite question because of course, mainstream course, the majority mainstream of the uk have been abandoned by police in the last couple of decades because if you get your phone stolen, your bicycle stolen and your house broken into your car stolen or youre a shopkeeper and you have property stolen by way of shoplifting, you have not received a Police Investigate option or service for the last 20 years or so. All youve got is a frankly worthless crime reference number. And that has been such a large driver in people losing trust in the police , as well as trust in the police, as well as the big awful , catastrophic, the big awful, catastrophic, vile headline cases. But the police turning their back on the moderate mainstream and the crimes that affect them has also been a major terrifying. Been a major terrifying. If youre going to boots today and you wanted to buy a razor blade or a razor, theyre actually fixed to the wall there. Now, the problem with this is it crime fuels crime. People steal and then they sell that. They sell it down the pub, then maybe drugs with that. They sell it down the pub, thebutiaybe drugs with that. They sell it down the pub, thebut the e drugs with that. They sell it down the pub, thebut the thing drugs with that. They sell it down the pub, thebut the thing is, drugs with that. They sell it down the pub, thebut the thing is, you ugs with it. But the thing is, you actually created widening pool actually created a widening pool of underworld there of criminal underworld there because starts nicking because it starts with nicking stuff supermarket stuff from the supermarket and it with gangs of people it ends up with gangs of people steaming oxford. Steaming into oxford. Going you three an im going to set you three an intellectual challenge what intellectual challenge. What do you katie would say you think katie bourne would say as a police and Crime Commission if she coming on to defend if she was coming on to defend the police . What is the argument to say . Is it is it resources . To say . Is it is it resources . Is it theyre so busy with is it that theyre so busy with other things . Is it that this is in fact a trivial crime . Is it in fact a trivial crime . Is it that people are so poor they have to steal . Can any of you come up with youll say, were deaung come up with youll say, were dealing with terrorism. Thats what thats what they always there are always do. They say there are things that you dont know whos just from prison. Just escaped from prison. Yes, but things that but theyll say the things that you know, you know, you you dont know, you know, you cant because they cant understand because they will always find an excuse. Its always sight easier to an always a sight easier to find an excuse than actually map excuse than to actually map a course for. One of the interesting things were commissions. Were these Crime Commissions. I thought side. Thought they were on our side. What has actually happened is that decided more that they have decided its more its interest to stay its in their interest to stay in job if theyre on the in the job if theyre on the side the chief constable. So side of the chief constable. So they direction in that they get their direction in that rather i imagine she rather well. I imagine what she would think its would say is i think its disgraceful, by the way, the fact that she didnt turn up and make argument, whatever it make this argument, whatever it is a public servant. Its is shes a public servant. Its not about poor people stealing that criminals not about poor people stealing th. Everybody. Criminals not about poor people stealing th. Everybody. Right. Criminals not about poor people stealing th. Everybody. Right. Crimwould of everybody. Right. That would be argument. And be a disgusting argument. And i hope does. So what do you hope she does. So what do you think she say to it . Think she would say to it . I think she would say to it . I think she would probably say we are our resources are having our resources stretched. Theres a lot of crime there. Afraid crime out there. And im afraid we have prioritise. And a lot we have to prioritise. And a lot of that. Beginning to sound of that. Im beginning to sound like surrey Crime Commission. A lot of motorists you could probably anyway, thank probably do anyway, thank you to all panellists peter. All my panellists peter. Up welcome back. I continue to identify as Jacob Rees Mogg and this is state of the nation. Youve been getting in touch with your mail moggs daniel says barging through gates at railway is rife. Sounds railway stations is rife. Sounds small, but people not paying their and their fair is a crime. Time and editor says its almost legal in britain if continues britain today. If it continues like be turned like this, it probably be turned into a National Sport in the near well we might win into a National Sport in the nethe well we might win into a National Sport in the nethe olympics. We might win into a National Sport in the nethe olympics. Apparently nin at the olympics. Apparently cricket to cricket is coming back to the olympics just few days ago, olympics to just a few days ago, the for work and the department for work and pensions quarterly pensions released the quarterly welfare and welfare figures and unfortunately, they paint a bleak million bleak picture. 5. 4 million british out of british people are on out of work a of work benefits and at a time of Labour Shortage, this is especially worrying, especially as labour used as the Labour Shortage is used for coming into for 606,000 people coming into this country through legal migration biggest migration in some of our biggest cities glasgow or cities like glasgow or liverpool, as 1 in liverpool, as many as 1 in 5 people within working age people within the working age populationcities themselves are whilst the cities themselves are crying out for workers as thousands of jobs are on offer with average with higher than average salaries. But this question goes right a more right to the heart of a more fundamental of our fundamental question of our economy the immigration one, the migrate one. How are we allowing so much migration when there isnt a shortage of labour . There are 5. 4 million people. Potential workers in this country who are there to fill the gaps and their potential is being wasted. This is roads in need of repair, bridge politics. This one leads back to pandemic pnor this one leads back to pandemic prior to which, under Iain Duncan Smiths leadership at work and pensions secretary from 2010 to 2016, britain was really getting its welfare policies right. But the pandemic led to a change in attitudes which still hasnt returned to normal. All hasnt returned to normal. All the sanctions and so on. What lift id payments just got dished out and it emerged today the government intends to crack down on the £26 billion benefits bill, but not until after the next election. Kelvin. 5. 4 next election. Kelvin. 5. 4 million people. This is an awful lot of work available. Why isnt it happening . How do we get these people back into work . Well, first of all, weve got to find out why theyre why theyre this. The theyre doing this. And the answer the reason that answer that the reason that theyre doing it, lets be honest about it, theyre is a massive element of malingering. Its straightforward. We cant work benefits. These arent disability benefits. Benefits. Yes. But theyre all part of the same thing. So youve got youve got mental, youve got Mental Health issues, youve got youve got mental, youve got me kindsealth issues, youve got youve got mental, youve got me kinds of. Th issues, youve got youve got mental, youve got me kinds of issues es, youve got youve got mental, youve got me kinds of issues whichjve got youve got mental, youve got me kinds of issues which covid t all kinds of issues which covid and the pandemic has caused this and the pandemic has caused this a problem. People dont look upon work as something that is important in their lives. What is important in their lives is money being delivered by the government isnt i. E. People all over the place, but not them. Right . And they find that they can exist it as subsidy junkies that much lower level. There is that much lower level. There is no way youre going to get these people back to work until well, you decide to literally cut the benefits and listen to the pain. Well a lot of these benefits are actually benefits are paid to working people. And so theres a problem there, which i hope some of them some of them are. But let me say, its been a massive explosion in this number. Oh, let me take you to blackpool. I mean, blackpool, 25 of the population of blackpool shocking benefit. 25 of the population of blackpsame shocking benefit. 25 of the population of blackp same time, cking benefit. 25 of the population of blackp same time, ckirevery|efit. At the same time, for every Single Person benefits in Single Person on benefits in blackpool there are two jobs going hospitality going in the hospitality industry. I can remember somebody coming surgery in somebody coming to my surgery in the hall and the Greenford Hall once and saying on saying that they were on benefits because they had suffered from chronic agoraphobia couldnt agoraphobia and they couldnt leave and i said, leave the house. And i said, well, actually come well, actually youve just come to oh, thats to the grief. Oh, well, thats different. You ive come different. You know, ive come to and know, but the to see you and you know, but the difficult is very , very difficult thing is a very, very hard one to grasp is to actually separate people who separate out those people who are word, are in your word, kelvin, malingering. Are some malingering. And there are some who do it, but also a number of people invisible people who have invisible disabilities. Has malingering why has the malingering exploded pandemic . Exploded since the pandemic . Covid yes, since the pandemic, what is causing that . Because we signed off every single and all the tests single request and all the tests that had been introduced , which that had been introduced, which you cant go back on, were essentially overridden. So from 2010, quite strict tests were introduced to try and encourage people and it worked back to work and it worked really remarkably well. And the appeals worked. Found as worked. And i found as constituents mp sometimes terrible blunders were made, but on the terrible blunders, whenever i got involved they were put right and that seemed to me to be really important. All systems make mistakes, but the push to ensure that the general push to ensure that people could do all work people could do all the work they could do physically or mentally was the right push to have and actually good for the people are encouraged. People who are being encouraged. This i mean, well, isnt this i mean, i like you, see as fitness like you, i see you as fitness to and people used to to work tests and people used to come surgery morning, noon come to my surgery morning, noon and things like, come to my surgery morning, noon and know, things like, come to my surgery morning, noon and know, can things like, come to my surgery morning, noon and know, can youthings like, come to my surgery morning, noon and know, can youthings kettle . You know, can you boil a kettle . Can you get out of bed . But you know, the real difficulty i think its impossible to think here is its impossible to actually somebody says, actually when somebody says, you know, they are suffering from some sort of mental illness, its incredibly difficult to actually. Think one actually. But look, i think one of things, one of the of the key things, one of the things. What you do about so what would you do about that, though . Im just about to say give credit the conservative credit to the conservative government. Credit to the conservative governm saying lets actually saying is, lets use this home explosion actually saying is, lets use this actually home explosion actually saying is, lets use this actually make iome explosion actually saying is, lets use this actually make some explosion actually saying is, lets use this actually make some expthese and actually make some of these people who actually give them jobs work home because people who actually give them jobs not work home because people who actually give them jobs not better home because people who actually give them jobs not better to home because people who actually give them jobs not better to ho working use is it not better to be working from be working on from home than to be working on at on the surely at home on the dole . Surely thats better . At home on the dole . Surely tha well, tter . At home on the dole . Surely tha well, possibly, except well, possibly, except i think Mental Health think part of the Mental Health crisis is working from home and not part of the community not being part of the community and talking interacting with. I thought mm h i thought that was a preposterous solution. The idea that youve got anxiety and youre all youre in your house all day going and meeting going like that and not meeting people, have the people, actually they have the complete opposite view , by the complete opposite view, by the way, for children. Theyre saying got saying children whove got anxiety go to school. Anxiety should go to school. Indeed , thats chris and indeed, thats chris whitty, who has said that. Yeah but had the debate on on but when we had the debate on on iain duncan smith, i remember one debates the house iain duncan smith, i remember one weve debates the house iain duncan smith, i remember one weve got ates the house iain duncan smith, i remember one weve got toes the house iain duncan smith, i remember one weve got to have he house said weve got to have a combination of stick and carrot and somebody side and somebody on on your side said, want a said, well, we really want is a carrot shaped stick. And think there has to be and i think there has to be an element, if not coercion, but certainly actually discipline in the way that it is reviewed at the way that it is reviewed at the moment. I think its every its even every year when its not even every year when people actually reassess their benefits, but it does need to be reassessed. But at the moment, reassessed. But at the moment, if you look the if you actually look at the statistics, stage statistics, it comes to a stage where payments overtake statistics, it comes to a stage when so payments overtake statistics, it comes to a stage wher were not making any. So one of one of our issues is we have to solve this. Surely one of the reasons we say actually, im very sorry, we are now your benefits bill now cutting your benefits bill by were just going to by 30 and were just going to do then what do it. And then see what happens, because honestly, the reverse, is when you have reverse, which is when you have intellects also , no, you cant intellects also, no, you cant do this because of that. Nothing will happen. That number grows. Will happen. That number grows. I guarantee to you when your lot are in power, that number which is 5 million now, will be 7. 5 million by the time were in 1931. When we introduced the means test. You remember test. And you remember what happened well, happened then, but well, benefits then. Benefits were cut then. So. Very much so. Very much so. The chancellor of the exchequer. I i wasnt exchequer. I mean, i wasnt around 1931, but read around in 1931, but ive read about. Well, thank you very okay. Well, thank you very much to my brilliant panel. Thats all from me up next, its our in house professor, professor dan wootton. Dan, whats coming up on your programme this evening . Oh, weve got a great line up today. Lee anderson, the today. Jacob lee anderson, the conservative party deputy chairman, as you know, very angry about the prospect of Angela Rayner as deputy Prime Minister. So hes going to let loose on that. We also have loose on that. We also have angela levin on the breaking news. Have you heard this . Donald trump has challenged urged Meghan Markle to a televised debate date in the us i well, hm well, that sounds great fun. Well, that sounds great fun. And lee anderson angry will be punchy stuff. Thats all coming up after the weather. Ill be back tomorrow at 8 00. Im Jacob Rees Mogg this has been said nafion rees mogg this has been said nation degrees nation and its over 85 degrees in tomorrow. Nation and its over 85 degrees in warm morrow. Nation and its over 85 degrees in warm feeling inside from that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers. Proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news. Weather on. Gb news. Hello again. Its Aidan Mcgivern here from the met office with the gb news forecast. A warm , sultry night forecast. A warm, sultry night to come for many of us. More hot sunshine thursday and sunshine into thursday and a small chance of thunderstorms developing towards western and southWestern Areas in particular as low pressure sends heat and humidity northwards across the uk. Now any thunderstorms that do develop will be very hit and miss, quite isolated, mostly towards Western Areas overnight, but there is the chance that these thunderstorms will contain frequent flashes of lightning. Frequent flashes of lightning. So they could be quite visible in the night sky where they do occur. Some low cloud creeping into its a warm night into the east. Its a warm night for many mid to high teens and in some no colder than in some places, no colder than 20 or 21 celsius. So some patchy fog about first thing thursday day. Some of this misty low cloud in the east, but that will tend to retreat to north sea coasts for and many its a fine day. But we still got that potential thundery activity moving north into Northern Ireland and parts of scotland. By ireland and parts of scotland. By the afternoon. Its a very by the afternoon. Its a very warm or hot day in places 29 to 32 celsius in the south, 28 celsius for northern scotland. Celsius for northern scotland. So the heat is extensive across the uk and its a warm start to friday again , some of that misty friday again, some of that misty low cloud in the east. Again, the threat of thundery showers towards the west and southwest. But otherwise its just a case of sunny skies and the temperatures continue to rise up to 33 celsius in places by. Saturday that warm feeling inside from boxt boilers proud sponsors of weather on. Gb news the live weather on. Gb news the live desk with me, Mark Longhurst and me, pip tomson. Its here monday to friday on gb news. From midday. From midday. Well bring you the news as it breaks. Whenever its happening and wherever its happening and wherever its happening from across the uk and around the world. Refreshing, feisty , but with refreshing, feisty, but with a bit of fun, too. A bit of fun, too. If it matters to you, well have it covered on tv, radio and online. Join the live desk on gb news. 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